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California City Considers Homeless Permits

November 19, 2012 by  

California City Considers Homeless Permits
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Being homeless in Nevada City, Calif., may soon require a license.

The city’s police chief has proposed a law that would let the city hand out permits to a small group of homeless, giving them permission to sleep in public. The official believes that the initiative will give the peaceful homeless a place to stay, while weeding out troublemakers.

“The goal is to start managing the homeless population within our city,” Chief James Wickham told CBS Sacramento.

The police chief will give out about six to 10 permits at first, according to reports. After six months, he’ll check back to see if the program is working. If it is, he says he will hand out more permits to be homeless.

Currently, the police chief believes there are about 60 homeless in his community, and 500 countywide.

The permits will only pertain to sleeping outdoors, as the town’s council has passed a no camping ordinance to go along with the permits.

“It just basically means you can’t set up a tent. You can’t live in your vehicle. You can’t live in the woods in Nevada City,” Wickham said.

Sam Rolley

Staff writer Sam Rolley began a career in journalism working for a small town newspaper while seeking a B.A. in English. After learning about many of the biases present in most modern newsrooms, Rolley became determined to find a position in journalism that would allow him to combat the unsavory image that the news industry has gained. He is dedicated to seeking the truth and exposing the lies disseminated by the mainstream media at the behest of their corporate masters, special interest groups and information gatekeepers.

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  • JimH

    I wonder if one would have to fill out an application for a homeless permit.
    I’m sure there will be a space for the “homeless” applicant for “address”.
    “You have to go home, you don’t have a homeless permit.”

    • Kate8

      Sounds a bit like getting people to “register”, doesn’t it?

      Those of us who have homes, phones, TVs, etc. can be easily tracked. The homeless are a bit more difficult to GPS. I wonder what such a permit consists of. We must bear in mind that Nevada City is the model Agenda 21 community in CA. This smells of another Agenda 21 move.

      Being that this is my neck of the woods, I can tell you that the homeless population exploded when the liberals took over local governance and the social services system. They provide very generous handouts, and have attracted hoardes of destitute seeking that to which they are led to consider themselves “entitled”. It has altered the whole nature of this once peaceful and beautiful piece of “God’s country”.

      For a long time there was some acreage where the homeless were allowed to set up camps. Many of them were veterans with disabilities, who had nowhere else to go.

      Then some insurance people showed up and informed the owner of the land that they considered these people to be a liability, and threatened him with outrageous insurance rates to cover it. He had no choice but to force them all out of the only place they had to go.

      I’m telling you all right now to investigate Agenda 21 in your cities and towns, and educate yourselves. It is moving right now to relocate humanity into dense population centers, and to force people off outlying areas. It’s about control of every aspect of life.

      This has happened here… We had to watch our beautiful small town be turned into an increasingly crowded, UN controlled and organized center of multiculturalism that none of the residents wanted. It used to be the most conservative city in the state, and now it is a bastion of liberalism, with all of the upheaval that comes with it.

      We have to stop this horrible evil before it destroys us. And it’s well underway.

    • walter agard

      the point is.why cant we help our own people than to send so much of money to help rich oil countries,and why they need our money,when they have their own rich resource (OIL) to maintain their own self?

      • Kate8

        Exactly. Good point.

        However, what we need to do is to return to private organizations (churches and other charitable foundations) to give aid and assistance, rather than government.

        Government seizes these opportunities in order to get votes from those who are promised other people’s money. It is only a way to create dependency on the beast, who will always bite you at some point.

        When I was a kid, we had myriad stories of what happens when we sell our souls to the devil (figure of speech). We grew up knowing that government is a wolf in sheep’s clothing, and is not to be entrusted with anything. You will always become enslaved by your benefactor. If you are going to accept his ‘gifts’, you must forfeit your freedom to live as you choose for yourself.

  • richard brooks

    the fastest growing population in the u.s. is the homeless. the problem is not a permit or lack of one. it is a society that allows this increasing poverty. we should use a few of those church’s to house the poor.

    • eddie47d

      There will always be homeless with or without a permit and many are transients who move from place to place depending on the weather. Maybe these permits could double as a voter ID card for those who permanently live under bridge #1.

      • Kate8

        The irony is that they’d be paid to vote for Obama, even though Obama is solidly behind UN Agenda 21 and the control of everyone, everywhere.

        This makes it oh so much easier to locate them and offer them a suite at Camp FEMA.

      • eddie47d

        Tic Toc Tic Toc I can hear Kate’s bomb going off any second now! Kaaaboooom!

    • THA DUKE

      richard brooks,
      Good idea. Why don’t you bring it up as a proposal at your church this coming Sunday? There are churches around the country that operate shelters and cafeterias for the homeless and your efforts could help create another one.

      As for a society that allows this to happen, the Baker’s Union is fixing to create another 18,000 homeless if those Hostess workers can’t find another job. Maybe our society doesn’t need unions.

      • GALT

        Did you say Twinkie? This sounds like a job for BAIN CAPITAL MANAGEMENT……..
        yo WILLARD……you got any free time?

    • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

      “richard brooks,”

      IN THE NEGRO COMMUNITY, CHILDREN BECOME F-U-L-L ADULTS AT AGE EIGHTEEN.

      NEGRO FATHERS GIVE THEIR SONS A CHOICE – EITHER:

      I). Go to college, get a part-time job and I [THE FATHER] will help you “get some wheels” and have “a little pocket change;” OR,
      II). Get you a job and get out of here; a grown man is not going to “lay-up” in my house.

      MANY EIGHTEEN-YEAR-OLD-NEGRO MALES WHO SELECT OPTION TWO, “END UP,” HOMELESS.

      • Vigilant

        In the “Negro community,” there are hardly enough resident fathers to give that advice.

      • gunsrule,commiesdrool

        Hey Christopher,What the hell is going on with this “Negro Community” thing!!

      • Kate8

        “Negroes” are encouraged to support one another in their cultures and traditions. Something that is considered to be racist and taboo among whites.

      • walter agard

        it depends between the negro Man & woman who did not get enough decent training from their parents,that is why they go out and abuse themselves, in the long run the kids are the ones that will pay end off paying for the faults they are not responsible for.

      • Kate8

        There comes a time when every person must assume responsibility for his own choices, regardless of how he was raised.

        To insinuate that negroes are somehow less able to distinguish right from wrong is insulting and degrading.

        If people want to be regarded as equal to other people, then they need to be willing to accept that they hold the same accountability as everyone else.

      • http://pweiters9.wordpress.com pweiters9

        11/19/12, Yeah, Chris, whether they move out or “lay up,” chances are they all voted for BO, against their own interests. (Homeless permits, that’s a good one.) Whether or not they strikeout on their own, being bums is now established as a career choice. Maybe this is what it takes to wise up to BO&Co.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        TO THE PEOPLE WHO REPLYED TO MY COMMENTS:

        IN THE NEGRO COMMUNITY MALES AND FEMALES ARE TREATED DIFFERENTLY. A NEGRO MALE IS A “MAN” AT AGE EIGHTEEN. IF HE ACTS “LESS THAN A ‘MAN’,” HE WILL BE STRONGLY RIDICUED BY HIS COMMUNITY.

        “Vigilant,” IT DOES NOT MATTER IF THE FATHER IS IN THE HOME. THE SAME GUIDELINES APPLY WHEN A SINGLE MOTHER IS HEAD-OF-HOUSEHOLD.

  • Netterella

    Maybe new jobs should be created instead of Obamacare forcing so many out of business!

    • GALT

      POOF……………JOBS!!!!!!!

  • steve

    just another method of control.

    • GALT

      Takes the whole concept of “probable cause” to a new level……….

  • Bev

    Yeah here we go – let’s permit the homeless. Who is this rocket scientist they have as a police chief? Unbelievable.

    • Vigilant

      “Currently, the police chief believes there are about 60 homeless in his community, and 500 countywide.”

      One of the immutable laws of this world is that when you subsidize anything, you get more of it.

      When those permits are issued, the chief can expect that 60 homeless to turn into an army of the 440 left in the county. And then they’ll come from counties/states around to augment the hordes.

      And yes, where are the churches and other charitable organizations?

      • Nadzieja Batki

        The homeless are a financial and manpower drain on the churches and service organizations. How much can you help people when they refuse the help that is offered? You can offer someone a clean bed but first they have to take a shower and change clothes and if they refuse they are creating a health hazard. Multiply this situation and what do you get?

      • http://pweiters9.wordpress.com pweiters9

        11/19/12, Good point, Vig, where were the churches during the storm & it’s aftermath?

  • Patriot1776

    It is no wonder California is going bankrupt. Rather than take steps to help the homeless, to work with churches to develop programs, or do something to correct the situation, they will create a bureaucracy complete with a department of homeless persons permitting and a homeless person permit verification department and probably a homeless person securtiy department costing the tax payers millions.

    That’s why we need to return to limited government.

    • ibcamn

      when i lived in palm springs,the homeless had a rutien they followed every day,they new where to go for breakfast,lunch and dinner,they knew where to stand with a sign at the best time of day to get the most money for the least amount of effort,they knew where to go for the most bottles and cans for deposit and recycle money,they know who gives them handouts at bakeries and restaurents,etc..!one homeless man even has a old golf cart he rides around in with bags hanging all over it for cans n stuff and he knows where he can recharge it with no hassle!!im telling you this cause the problem with the homeless is mainly US!we help them..if you want them gone,just have everyone in the area stop wiyh assisting their lifestyle and they will move on,trust me its true-in wisconsin back in the sixties early seventies a large group of hobos use to come through each year at a certain time and stay for months,by the railroads and parks and in an area that had a public bathroom next to the river where the mill is.theft and break-ins were common place till the city went all out nasty on them!no violance,the city just tore down everything and place they went…so when the hobos returned the following season on their regular timeline they were in for one hell of a suprise,nothing for them at all!!no handouts no place to stay or clean up at(they used public bathrooms as bath houses!)all the busnesses didnt give a single handout and new locking dumpsters had ben put in place and local mill enclosed area with all their metal and chemical supplies!!stop helping them and they will leave,help them in any way and they will come in droves.you dont need regulations on them,thats helping them!!

  • THA DUKE

    Californication mentality. Is it just me or do all of the people living in California lack a spine? Why are these people not rising up against that State’s government? OH! I know why. It’s because the majority of that State’s population come from a country that….A. Have not been taught traditional American values and have not been taught about this county’s heritage and have not a clue what our Constitution and Bill of Rights are all about and…..B. have been taught in their former country NOT to speak out against their Govrnment lest they be severly punished. YET,…….C. they have learned, like other minorities in this country, how to manipulate and milk the system for all the free stuff they can get and the politicians are to blame for letting all of this get out of hand.

    When the takers outnumber the givers, the givers will eventually stop giving and then social chaos will ensue.

    • GALT

      Yes by all means please stop giving……..we need to get back to those traditional
      values that made this country great Conquest, Ethnic Cleansing, Slavery, Indentured
      Servitude, etc.

      • Kate8

        GALT – Those things are no more horrible than the intentional rendering of humanity into a dependent, mindless and entitlement-minded class of sub-creatures.

        In fact, those are the real reasons for doing so.

      • GALT

        Interesting Kate…….could you do me a favor and take each of the items on my list,
        and put those things you believe are comparable from your list, so we ( or just me, even )
        could get a side by side equivalency comparison? ( plus I am a little unclear as to the
        items that are actually on your list……since it kinda looks like a list of “effects” of the things that might be on your list? )

      • Kate8

        GALT – If you are unable to figure this out for yourself, then it won’t do any good for me to try to explain it to you.

        You do love the ramble and obfuscate in the attempt to appear ever-so-much-more intellectual than the rest of us.

        I’m simply not going to bite this time. It’s a waste of my time.

      • GALT

        Kate….you posted a list of “effects”………I want to know what your “causes” are…..and
        how they are equal to those TRADITIONAL VALUES, which I listed…….that made this
        country great?

        Conquest = your cause

        Slavery = your cause

        Ethnic Cleansing or Genocide = your cause

        etc.

        There is nothing to “bite on”…….it’s a serious question…..can’t be a trick question,
        it’s is your list……..not one of my exercises or riddles?

        • http://pweiters9.wordpress.com pweiters9

          11/20/12, Chuck, this is a contradiction in terms, “earn permits.” If they cleaned themselves up to be employable they wouldn’t be homeless. By not seeking the required permit, what happens then, go to jail? Then that would be home; better than on the street. The bums would then have shelter & jobs. 3 hots & cots, ya think?

      • Kate8

        GALT – Since you consider yourself to be the intellectual superior one here, I’ll leave that for you to chew on.

        I’ve spoken of this at length in many of my posts of the past couple of weeks. Since you obviously didn’t read them, I don’t feel compelled to have to recap it all here.

        In fact, both your list and mine form an endless cycle due to human stupidity.

      • GALT

        Actually Kate the condition of my intellect is what it is, in the end only what it is capable of producing is relevant and is subject to examination by the same standard that would apply to anyone else………….intellectual ability like any other talent requiresexercise and practice, and this is determined by the environment within which onefind oneself………..if one exists is a stable state where change is infrequent and new information is rare, the exercise and practice is limited…….and the ability wanes.

        I have never claimed or attempted to offer the state of the ability of my intellect as being the basis for my positions or conclusions………….I have, however, offered and claimed that for “some of my positions, conclusions or arguments”, that the basis for THESE, comes from “sources of information” with which most people are unaware of, or unfamiliar with………….( a.k.a. ignorant ) and when this occurs the sources are offered freely to all who care to consider them. ( in this I have gone to absurd lengths, posting reviews, video’s ( if they exist ) synopses’, and even typing out excerpts that have relevant applications…………

        Unfortunately this is the limitation of my “power”……I can not will the transfer of this information and grant potential enlightenment……….that is up to the individual to make that choice………..and in most cases……..this is not an issue…….

        There are however certain people here who have chosen to engage me, that have been ill prepared for the experience……….for whatever reason…….and in most cases this lack of preparation is simply the failure to stay current with new information, FACTS and knowledge……….so that when confronted with this challenge to their position or “opinion”……..rather than choosing to consider this new information and the implications of it, they choose instead to attempt to deflect or avoid the “challenge” to their “opinion” by any number of methods………..and despite what they may believe or wish to believe….this choice……….can not be sustained for very long……..nor will it ever be mistaken for “superior intellectual ability”……….because no such evidence or effort can be demonstrated……..what is demonstrated is clear! ( a.k.a. willfull ignorance )

        Finally, there is one final aspect to my “offerings” here…and that is the “synthesis” of the foundational information that I possess, to entertain “new thoughts”…… and these efforts are mitigated by the previous two conditions that have been described…………..in these cases, it makes no sense to proceed to conclusions, which extend from “information or knowledge” which the general audience is either ignorant or willfully ignorant of…………….so for this purpose, I have chosen to formulate exercises or thought experiments if you will………to initiate dialog which hopefully will produce either new understanding or correct some of the previous errors ( and ignorance ) that has insinuated itself into the general population at large and persistently refuses to adapt to the REALITY of the conditions we now are confronted with.

        The success of these efforts is both obvious and expected and from a historical perspective the solution or resolution to this state of affairs has been the death of the “status quo” and it’s replacement by a younger generation, who have been both a vehicle for and adapted to the changes, that have emerged….. and can now manifest themselves………..in society.

        Unfortunately, again, this result is simply a cyclical repetition, with a new status quo…….and simply repeats itself in the same fashion……..and it has been doing so for 200,000 years……….

        But there is a “difference” this time………in that we no longer have the luxury of allowing it to continue………even though it is in our nature to do precisely that……….despite the evidence that such choices have had catastrophic consequences in the past……….. these failures were isolated…….localized and therefor limited in the scope of the damage that resulted…….

        Now even though this statement is both obvious and generally acknowledged by most as “something everybody knows to be true”……….the understanding that the consequences this TIME…….will not be isolated or limited in scope….has only a peripheral acceptance……..and given the extended time frame over which the EVIDENCE will make this “something that everyone knows to be true”……….is not a position that can be permitted or granted, the status of being one that is rational, logically reasoned, intelligent or credible.

        In the scheme of things, opinions regarding the actual extent of my intellectual abilities are completely irrelevant……..and if you wish to use this as a reason, not to respond to my questions or to repeat what you have said to others, that is your choice………I am constantly repeating myself……..so I empathize with your plight…………and you may continue to do so or not as you see fit.

        I have “no enemies ” here, except the conditions that prevent the process I am seeking to initiate………and this is all that matters……..how much time or effort that is spent by other’s to avoid engagement directly is only significant to the extent that it attempts to “pre-empt”…..other potential participants……..but since these efforts are “irrelevant”, they are or no consequence……..and they are responded to as the “nuisance” they are.
        Other than that…….any legitimate attempt to engage…….is responded to with the appropriate relevance and effort, and this is all I can do….because this is all that it is possible to do.

        ” To conquer, first DIVIDE!!!!! ” ( and the HANG, separately. )

      • Kate8

        GALT – Quite a treatise…on yourself.

        The fact is that, regardless of how your mind works, or anyone’s mind works, we are all limited to the information (disinfo/misinfo) available, depending on how deep one wants to look), personal ideology and opinion, perceptiveness… and this includes being able to “sense” when something is factual or BS at a gut level. This is not one of the capabilities of the intellect, of which you seem so enamored. But this paticular subject is beyond your understanding, from what I gather, so you dismiss it outright.

        My problem with you is not your over-inflated ego, or even your position on things. It’s your arrogance and utter disrespect of anyone else’s thoughts, ideas and understanding, and your continual demeaning of them, including myself. This is not a sign of a well-developed mind but, rather, of a bully with psychopathic tendencies. And frankly, it automatically dismisses anything you have to say, because you will be simply blown off, no matter how valuable your analysis may (or may not) be.

        At times your posts are so convoluted and disjointed to try to read, in your attempt to appear mentally superior to we mere schlubs, that your point is lost amidst the rhetoric.

        Get over yourself, GALT. A little humility can go a long way. Conversation is a two-sided deal. Listen once in a while…, try being respectful. Except for those who come here with the purpose of creating hostility and dissent (and we know who those are), we are here to share, encourage and inform (and be informed), not to try to impress others with our own perceived superiority. Trust me, you are the only one who views yourself as being a mental giant.

        Excellence is perceived through character, not meaningless mental constructs. The day will come when your survival will depend on much more than egotistical analysis. This benefits you nothing if you’ve alienated yourself from others because you consider them to be inferior.

        We try to be friends here. Occasionally we may squabble, but we mostly want the same thing: freedom to be who we are in a safe environment.

        Be a friend, and you will be accepted. Be an *zzhole and no one will listen to you.

      • GALT

        It was an explanation which you should have paid attention to…….because the only
        people that suffer the fate you describe are the ones that have earned it…….and
        the reason is made clear…….

        If you believe that their are individuals who fall into the category you describe
        without cause….by all means….please feel free to identify them……..

        I don’t believe you will do very well in your attempt to support that claim, but you are welcome to try…………

        If you can manage anything at all it will be of the type……..which you attempted
        above……..and which has led to this exchange………which is simply more of the same….

        Of course, taken together…….that you would choose to respond at all to me…..when
        what I say doesn’t matter…….then there was no reason to address me at all today……
        and when you were asked to elaborate on THAT response……you chose to evade
        it…….and you still are……while claiming that…….

        It’s your arrogance and utter disrespect of anyone else’s thoughts, ideas and understanding, ……..

        This does not appear to be the case……..because what I attempted was to actually
        UNDERSTAND what you were trying to say…….as it related to what I had said……
        and why I asked the question………

        If you truly wished to UNDERSTAND anything you claim is unclear…….you are free
        to do the same thing…………..yet for all the people who make this claim……those
        questions never come………

        In fact there is never any pretense regarding the fact that they were making the
        attempt to understand……….they just pile on like my functionally illiterate friend
        ( never, ever ) Vigilant…….or the other’s who can’t stay away…….

        You see, they have no arguments left………they have already lost and that only
        leaves them acting like children…..as I have described…….

        Mostly, it would probably be better, if you are actually trying to understand…..
        or communicate……to engage me directly….and respond to what I say to YOU…..
        what happens between me and others……has nothing to do with what happens
        between us……….there is a history here between me and others…….and it
        is that HISTORY which is being played out………

        If you require some “evidence” that what you believe to be true …..is not…..
        I offer Mr. Livingston himself……….if what you claim is valid……..I would no
        longer be here……..and he would have cause to comment on my behavior
        and reasoning……….he is not shy about doing so……..but he is NOT doing
        that with me………even on topics where my presence is precisely what you
        describe………..and “others” have been cited………

        What you choose to do is up to you…….but at the moment…..you have no reason
        to not make the attempt……….you have not been treated this way by me…….
        and you will not be unless you act in a manner that warrants it……

        Does this mean you will not be challenged……no it does not……and if that
        is what you mean by “respect”…….then you should not engage……..for some
        things it is possible to reach an agree to disagree position…….and on matter of
        taste…….or preference……such an outcome is probable……unfortunately,
        I do not seek out topics of that nature…….nor do I live here…….

        And it should be clear that I am willing to take the effort to be UNDERSTOOD,

        What you do with it is up to you……..

      • Kate8

        GALT – It really isn’t complicated. You just go into such heady tirades that I’m exhausted by the barrage of words strung together, all saying what could have been said in a few sentences.

        Our previous exchanges have left me with a poor impression of you, too… so I have an expectation of the same.

        People who live for the accumulation of wealth and power have always existed, and America is only one of many countries which have enslaved and culled regularly. It’s just that Americans were fed the illusion of freedom and honor, while their labors were plundered to finance these things while the people quested after material comforts.

        When despots seek to enslave, they use “compassion” for the “poor”, offering “help” to those they label as society’s victims. The very act of offering free stuff, and convincing the recipients that they are, by their very existence, “entitled”, tends to appeal to the basest instincts of humanity to get something for nothing at someone else’s expense, and snowballs. Offer it, and you get lots of takers. And the benefit to those in power is more power (and wealth, as they plunder, as well).

        Ultimately, people are at fault for having insufficient morality to see what’s afoot. As I mentioned earlier, as children we were taught that you don’t want to strike deals with the devil, because he will always come to collect when you least expect it. And that is exactly what government “compassion” is. Nothing is ever free.

        These things are no longer taught and, frankly, dumbed down people are not assets to anyone when their usefulness ends. Not even to themselves.

        So, when government gains sufficient power that such people are no longer needed, that’s where the genocide comes in. They become “unsustainable” to the powerful, and are eliminated. The elite feel justified because the people were contemptible to them, and deserve what comes. No one respects idiots, and anyone who sells out for money or material goods cannot be trusted by anyone. The devil commands his due.

        People never learn, and seem doomed to repeat the same errors over and over again. Greed gets the best of everyone, no matter what social status. And it always has the same result eventually.

        Until we learn to strive for excellence, not only in accumulation of knowledge and intelligence, but also in kindness, acceptance, moral values and mutual respect… we will not earn the right to thrive and be free.

        It’s called WISDOM, without which intelligence means nothing, even if you are one of the few to have it.

      • Kate8

        The only things have have true value are intangibles. Things like character, true compassion, honor, gratefulness and an open heart. And each of us is responsible for who we are. We, as individuals, make up the totality.

        What will we, ourselves, contribute to freeing humanity from the illusion of bondage?

        http://isecede.org/

      • GALT

        Well then Kate, I have been there since the late 70′s, and completely extricated
        from everything, including providing support for it ( the government ) since 1985
        and how to do it ( if you want ) is a constant message…….so I have no problem with your
        core beliefs or any objection to them,,,,,

        As to the reason why things are the way they are and our nature……I have a different
        take on it……and this too is a recurring theme…….so it will be repeated in the future…
        as I expect things here are reaching equilibrium of a kind……most of this stuff is just
        constant repetition……..of bogus arguments and fallacies…….so if I can, my object is
        to shut down certain topics before they even start……

        I don’t know if you have ever shown up here prior to clicking on the site before it
        shows up in your e-mail……you can do this by simply changing the date in the address
        bar……if you have……you will note that each topic contains two stats……views and
        comments……. and there are more views than comments…..and sometimes many
        views BEFORE the first comments appear………now it only contains one stat….
        the number of responses……….and for me, if I have posted in a thread…..my
        goal is to strive for the lowest number of responses…….

        I do not know if you will ever understand the method behind the madness……here my
        weapons are words……..and the goal is to make them effective enough to avoid
        ever having to use anything else…….from the rhetoric here, the general theme is
        that the actual use of weapons is their preferred solution…….they just need an
        excuse……it’s hardly credible……but it is disturbing.

        You are here….you might as well enjoy the ride…….and see what happens.

      • Kate8

        When people feel hopeless and desperate enough, even cornered, they will resort to weapons.

        Can’t blame them, really. The elite have been maiming and murdering us and our children since the beginning, and the numbers are staggering. Yet, many advocate that we stand down, not strike back. I have to wonder how it is that it is acceptable for THEM to harm and kill us, but it’s wrong for us to retaliate.

        I do feel that those in power have to be removed. How that comes about… I don’t really care. Just git ‘er done.

        But, that’s just me.

        Information is, of course, the most important thing. But info is deliberately spat out in every conceivable scenario, so no one ever knows what’s true, or if anything is true.

        It boils down to personal sovereignty and responsibility. We, ouselves, are the only ones we have any say over… and in the end, it is we who will be accountable for where things go. Whether we have the will to do what it takes, or whether the majority of us are too far gone to do anything but allow what’s coming with hardly a whimper…remains to be seen.

        I have no interest in trying to steer the conversation. I see things differently than most. I get that. And I’m okay with it, too.

    • Vicki

      ” the givers will eventually stop giving”

      They only stop giving cause they run out of things to give the socialists. Hence the famous quote about socialism running out of other peoples money to “give” to their cronies. (Hi obama. How’s that investment in Solyndra doing for you?)

      • Vigilant

        You’re right, Vicki. Such logic and historically proven fact evade the ever-clueless GALT. He prefers the nation to become like Greece.

      • GALT

        Dear (never, ever ) Vigilant…….Vicki wasn’t responding to me…….

        Were you trying to respond to me?

        If so, you simply scroll to my post, or the first post you come to after MINE ( while scrolling
        up ) and stop when you see ( REPLY ) in BIG BLUE LETTER”S!

        Be curious to see what you were responding to…….

      • Vigilant

        “Dear (never, ever ) Vigilant…….Vicki wasn’t responding to me…….

        “Were you trying to respond to me?”

        I’ll answer your concerns in the order posed:

        A. Who claimed Vicki was responding to you? Certainly not I.

        B. Talk about lack of reading comprehension! A response to you would have included your moniker instead of the words, “You’re right Vicki.” Or it would have been posted as a reply function of the site architecture. Hint: I used the first person singular with Vicki, except when I referred to you in the third person singular.

        Then you say, “Be curious to see what you were responding to…….”

        Vicki’s post was being responded to. Apparently you feel you are some sort of site monitor who would censor remarks ABOUT someone in a reply to someone else.

        What an abject idiot you are.

      • GALT

        Funny how you managed to include my name in your response to Vicki……since
        nothing after my name has anything to do with what I said…….which is normal for a
        FUNCTIONAL ILLITERATE……and expected from ( never, ever ) you………

        And you managed to work greece in too……..

        What was the link in your intrepid logic…….common use of the word giving?

        Amazing what four upper case letters with inspire among the mindless…….

    • ibcamn

      like i said about the hobos in wis,stop in every way assisting them.illegals can go into a store and read all the lables and signs,just like the forms for assistants in getting free food,places to stay and of course medical help and all the money they can spend!stop making it easy and you will reduce theburdon..but thanks to us you will never eliminate the problem!!!

  • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

    MEMPHIS HAS APPROXIMATELY TEN THOUSAND HOMELESS CITIZENS.

    Chief James Wickham of Nevada City DOES NOT HAVE A POSITIVE VIEW OF THE HOMELESS, SINCE HE THINKS PUBLIC SLEEPING IS OKAY.

    SLEEPING IN PUBLIC IS A DANGEROUS SITUATION. IN MEMPHIS, MANY HOMELESS ARE ROBBED WHILE SLEEPING [cell phones, transit-bus fare, etc.]. THERE IS ALWAYS A STRONG POSSIBILITY OF BEING SHOT, OR, MURDERED WHILE SLEEPING; MOSQUITOS, SNAKES, SPIDERS AND DOGS ARE ALSO A CONCERN.

  • TIME

    Well Folks,

    As all of you that don’t have at least > $500 Million < in "hard assets" will be on this list very soon, So ~ what will you do?

    Keep in mind that your {401K's and IRA's} are going to be taken away from you,
    Yes Barry did signed and EO that will start this ball in motion ~ These funds will then be placed into a "National Fund" for all to share.
    You know the folks that paid nothing into your 401K or IRA, ~ yea ~ those people, will be sharing the benifits of your labor yet again.

    So you get to support them on Government aid now while you still are empolyed, as well by way of your Social Security accounts ~ of what just in case you still think there are funds in that special LOCK BOX, ~~ well its as empty and worthless as the Gold that the nations of Europe are no finding out they don't have anylonger.
    So hey the good news is ~ Now you will get that good warm feeling when you turn over in your cardboard box at night, YOU helped hey its kind of like ~Shake and Bake.

    Your call people, stand up ~~ or just sit back down and keep taking it.

    As you all may recall I said this before now many times now;
    {"When you build a "disposable society" ~ after a while even YOU become disposable."}

    You can all end this at any TIME, all YOU have to do is say, "NO MORE" ~ but the caveat is { YOU really have to mean it.}
    I have said this before how many TIMES now, {"YOU are going to lose it all anyway, so what have you to really lose?"} Your call?

    As of January 1st 2013 there will be around 2.500.000 Jobs lost due to the vast amount of Companys that just can't keep up with all the funds that they have to pay out to keep this insaine circus running. Thats not counting at least that number from just this year 2012.
    And if by the Grace of YAH there are any JOBS left by the end of 2013, I am sure they will be only State Sponserd Jobs, like "FEMA CAMP GUARDS."

    By June 1st 2013 if we still have any jobs left, well then I guess we will see who's living on the streets and who's not, or perhaps better said is who's in Government camp / housing for the Homeless, aka FEMA CAMPS.

    Thats the next step in what the above artical is all about ~ if any of you have ever taken the TIME to read "Agenda 21 / Sustainable Growth" etc. You already know that.
    Well guess what kids ~ { It is happening here, and its well underway. }

    Peace and Love. May the Holy Sprit enter into your SOUL. Keep the Christ in your life and your SOUL, As in the TIMES ahead you will need his Love and Help.

    • Kate8

      TIME – “As it was in the days of Noah”. People are warning us from all sides, and the brainwashed masses just mock and jeer and continue to support the very system that will, in due time, come to slaughter them along with everyone else.

      People are made dependent on government in order to feed the Beast. They give up their rights and their power to BigBro in return for a few dollars (pieces of silver). When the Beast has become all-powerful, and there is no more money to extract from the dying working class, the “entitled” become a severe liability for which the elite have only well-deserved contempt, and they then “have no choice” but to eliminate those very useful idiots as they have become “unsustainable”.

      It’s happened over and over, too many times to count, and it’s worked for them yet again.

      And no, sadly, they aren’t going to listen. So they will take us all down with them.

      BTW, I have spoke with our local police, and they are as clueless as the population they increasingly terrorize in the name of “keeping us all safe”.

    • TIME

      Daer Kate,

      I have spoken with the local police, and we have made many inroads with them,
      I have given a number of talks on not only Agenda 21 / Sustainable Development. but
      what the IMF really is, who they are, and what the Federal reserve really is and who
      owns it, as in who owns US. Also how everything is all interconnected.

      Some really good news is that many in GA have worked very hard on the Opt Out of Obama care, {we have won that small but none the less quite valid battle, for the moment.}

      The next dance is that special >”Rat Poison” ~ Fluoride.
      There is still much work to be done.

      Peace and Love be with you,

      May The Holy Sprit & Christ guide you and keep your SOUL safe.

      • Kate8

        Good work, TIME. I’m glad you are active in your community.

        My town was targeted by liberals, obviously, because they’ve swooped in and have taken over. It’s an uphill battle to get anyone to listen to reason.

  • ranger09

    The last People in this Country WITH A PAYING JOB will be GOVT Workers. If i kick you once and you say nothing I kick you twice and you do nothing YOU are nothing but sheep following the Bell, And i no longer have any fear of you. We are only getting What we allowed to happen, There are just no more aMERICANS THAT REALLY CARE WHAT IS HAPPENING TO THIS COUNTRY OR THE WORLD.

  • Tim

    And yet voter ID is too much trouble.

  • Jamie Cameron

    I’m sure glad this is still a free country. what part is free i could not tell You or anyone else.

  • Kate8

    Anyone who hasn’t yet read this, needs to. Otherwise, you are shooting in the dark.

    http://jahtruth.net/illumin.htm#Protocols

    Exerpt:

    20. A people left to itself, i.e., to upstarts from its midst, brings itself to ruin by party dissensions excited by the pursuit of power and honours and the disorders arising therefrom. Is it possible for the masses of the people calmly and without petty jealousies to form judgement, to deal with the affairs of the country, which cannot be mixed up with personal interest? Can they defend themselves from an external foe? It is unthinkable; for a plan broken up into as many parts as there are heads in the mob, loses all homogeneity, and thereby becomes unintelligible and impossible of execution.

    21. It is only with a despotic ruler that plans can be elaborated extensively and clearly in such a way as to distribute the whole properly among the several parts of the machinery of the State: from this the conclusion is inevitable that a satisfactory form of government for any country is one that concentrates in the hands of one responsible person. Without an absolute despotism there can be no existence for civilisation which is carried on not by the masses but by their guide, whosoever that person may be. The mob is savage, and displays its savagery at every opportunity. The moment the mob seizes freedom in its hands it quickly turns to anarchy, which in itself is the highest degree of savagery.

    22. Behold the alcoholic animals, bemused with drink, the right to an immoderate use of which comes along with freedom. It is not for us and ours to walk that road. The peoples of the goyim are bemused with alcoholic liquors; their youth has grown stupid on classicism and from early immorality, into which it has been inducted by our special agents – by tutors, lackeys, governesses in the houses of the wealthy, by clerks and others, by our women in the places of dissipation frequented by the goyim. In the number of these last I count also the so-called “society ladies,” voluntary followers of the others in corruption and luxury.

    23. Our countersign is – Force and Make-believe. Only force conquers in political affairs, especially if it be concealed in the talents essential to statesmen. Violence must be the principle, and cunning and make-believe the rule for governments which do not want to lay down their crowns at the feet of agents of some new power. This evil is the one and only means to attain the end, the good. Therefore we must not stop at bribery, deceit and treachery when they should serve towards the attainment of our end. In politics one must know how to seize the property of others without hesitation if by it we secure submission and sovereignty.

    24. Our State, marching along the path of peaceful conquest, has the right to replace the horrors of war by less noticeable and more satisfactory sentences of death, necessary to maintain the terror which tends to produce blind submission. Just but merciless severity is the greatest factor of strength in the State: not only for the sake of gain but also in the name of duty, for the sake of victory, we must keep to the programme of violence and make-believe. The doctrine of squaring accounts is precisely as strong as the means of which it makes use. Therefore it is not so much by the means themselves as by the doctrine of severity that we shall triumph and bring all governments into subjection to our super-government. It is enough for them to know that we are too merciless for all disobedience to cease.

  • ChuckS

    They should EARN the permits by dong work for the city.

  • nickkin

    Okay..permit to be homeless, permit to use public restrooms, permit to walk the streets…sounds like a left wing conspiracy….so california thought they were the first to start this trend…not so…it’s all over the country…..the next 4 will make this mandatory…permit to live my life obozo?

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