Businessman To Obama: You Win!

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Have you heard the latest mind-blowing statistic about the Barack Obama economy? There are now more Americans getting “food assistance” checks (101 million of them) than people working in the private sector (97 million). Who’s going to pay those bills, Mr. Obama?

Well, the answer has always been clear — entrepreneurs and small-business owners like me. People with those now rare American values — like work ethic, ambition, self-reliance, rugged individualism and personal responsibility. People with enthusiasm for work and for building a legacy for their families. You know: Those people you hate and resent, Mr. Obama.

I’ve got a sad story about the end of all that — and perhaps the end of America.

I’m your typical entrepreneur and capitalist evangelist, the kind of American that Obama will never understand. I enjoy working long hours, and I’m willing to risk my life savings on a business idea. I believe I’m the one responsible to feed, clothe and house my family — not the government. I get up early and work late, 14 to 16 hours a day. I work weekends and holidays. All vacations are “working vacations.” 24/7. That’s the life of an entrepreneur.

I chose this life. It’s my choice to risk my own money and work long hours. It’s my choice to provide my family with the best. I’m not looking for a blue ribbon or a pat on the back.

But I also don’t expect my President to resent me for my success, or to kick me in the gut, or to spit in my face. Mr. President, you shouldn’t be demonizing, denigrating and insulting me. You shouldn’t be claiming that people like me “don’t pay your fair share” when, in reality, your voters pay nothing (and expect checks from the government, too).

You shouldn’t be saying, “You didn’t build that.” Actually, yes, we did. Our work ethic, job creation and taxes pay for everything government builds. Our taxes pay for the checks you give to your voters.

Mr. President, you have no right to put us down, while complimenting and rewarding those who aren’t willing sacrifice for success and don’t feel personal responsibility. You have no right to redistribute our money to those who don’t have our work ethic. That’s wrong. That kills our spirit. That damages the U.S. economy.

There is no need to debate how wrong you are. The Obama economy proves what happens when you punish and demonize the job creators — an unprecedented economic disaster. Last week, the mainstream media celebrated a month of “195,000 jobs created.” Really? The truth is sobering. The U.S. economy last month gained 360,000 crummy part-time jobs and lost 240,000 full-time jobs. There are now 28 million Americans underemployed in part-time jobs. The second leading employer in America is now a temp agency. Only 47 percent of American adults are working (and that includes part-time jobs).

Welcome to Obamageddon. There are no good jobs — only crummy, crappy, part-time jobs. To get ready for your next job, repeat after me: “Sir, would you like a shake with your cheeseburger and fries?”

But, Mr. President, I will give you credit for one achievement. I thought it could never happen. You have single-handedly cured me of my work ethic and addiction to success. I am healed. Mr. Obama, you have set me free.

This past weekend I experienced how the other half lives. For the first time in my adult life, I took the entire holiday weekend off. As a work-at-home father and business owner, I normally spend a few hours each day with my children between phone calls, answering 300 emails, multiple daily meetings and conference calls, and other work requirements. This weekend, my wife and 5-year-old daughter visited friends in Los Angeles, leaving me as the sole caregiver for my sons, ages 9 and 13, for the entire four-day holiday weekend.

So I decided to clear the slate for the first time in my life. To just have some fun. To experience what life is like for the typical non-business owner on a holiday weekend. I ignored emails and stopped taking business calls. I turned down several business meetings. I just shut it all down.

Guess what? I had a ball! My boys and I watched guys’ shoot ’em up movies. We went gun shooting.  We shot off fireworks. We swam and played football. We ate steak dinners. It was the ultimate father-son weekend, with no business interruptions.

That’s when I realized… I’m done. It no longer pays to sacrifice under Obama. There is no payoff. I’ve sacrificed 14 to 16 hours a day, 365 days per year, to build businesses, create jobs, to give my family the best life possible. But I’m done. You win. You’ve pulled off the impossible, Mr. Obama. You’ve reformed me! I was the poster boy for workaholic entrepreneur. Not anymore.

Mr. President, why should I sacrifice so your voters can have free Obama phones (now with free texting, too)? Why should I work for an abusive boss like you who resents my sacrifices? Why should I work long hours so your voters can grab more of my money, while classifying ambition, sacrifice, discipline and personal responsibility as “evil” or “greedy?”

Under your system, the more I make, the more you take. There is no incentive, so why put in the extra effort?

The answer is… I no longer will. 

Mr. Obama, I’m done giving 110 percent. There is no “extra credit,” so why do the extra work? When a hard-working entrepreneur like me loses his love for work, stops putting in longer hours, takes weekends off, turns down the third or even fourth career because it’s not worth the effort, you better turn out the lights and close the door, because the party’s over.

But you do have one little problem, Obama. Who’s going to pay the bills? Who’s going to pay for those 101 million Americans on “food assistance?” Who’s going to pay your $7 billion bill to expand electricity access in Africa? Who’s going to pay for your $100 million travel bills? Who’s going to pay for your “free healthcare?” Who’s going to pay for the bloated pensions of 22 million government employees? Who’s going to pay the interest on your $100 trillion in debt and unfunded liabilities? If not me, who?

And you can bet your last dollar that if I’ve come to this never-before-imagined decision to slow down and no longer give 110 percent, so have millions of other entrepreneurs.

So, Mr. Obama, I sure hope you have a backup plan to pay the bills. Maybe all those free Obama phone recipients can “spare a dime.” Maybe you can convince all those Obama voters on “food assistance” to stop using their food stamps for booze and strip clubs. Maybe you can convince Bangladesh to hold “AID AMERICA” concerts. Or, Mr. President, you can simply hide under the bed covers while presiding over the total collapse of the U.S. economy. Congratulations! You’ve proven that socialism doesn’t work. Eventually, you run out of other people’s money.

Payback is a bi-ch.

–Wayne Allyn Root

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Wayne Allyn Root

Wayne Allyn Root is one of America's leading Libertarian-conservative authors. Wayne's new book is The Murder of the Middle ClassWayne is a Capitalist Evangelist, serial entrepreneur, conservative media commentator, and proud champion of the middle class. He is a former Libertarian vice presidential nominee and Fox News regular. Follow Wayne on Twitter and visit Wayne's web site: www.ROOTforAmerica.com

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  • Harold Olsen

    Under Obama, success is punished and laziness and being a parasite is rewarded. There is no incentive under our fuhrer to try to succeed.

    • Doc Sarvis

      I work hard, I get paid, I have a good job and a good family – ALL of which I am thankful for. THAT is success to me and that IS rewarding.
      President Obama does nothing but encourage good jobs, good pay, good families. He also, like ALL Presidents before him, recognizes that this scenario is not a constant and/or does not work out for all citizens, Therefore we, as a civil and Godly society, seek to help those who are in trouble. God Bless America.

      • FreedomFighter

        “Mr. President, why should I sacrifice so your voters can have free Obama phones (now with free texting, too)? Why should I work for an abusive boss like you who resents my sacrifices? Why should I work long hours so your voters can grab more of my money, while classifying ambition, sacrifice, discipline and personal responsibility as “evil” or “greedy?”

        Under your system, the more I make, the more you take. There is no incentive, so why put in the extra effort?

        The answer is… I no longer will.”

        Socialism does this kind of damage to society, its called spreading the misery equally, in Russia the damage to the Russian people from taking the incentive away resulted in millions of alcoholics, drug addicts, pushed many into the “Black Market” and other criminal activity. The Russian people wallowed in poverty, starvation and had little opportunity to better their own situations. Many risked everything to “DEFECT to the WEST”. Obama is bringing this stupidity to America.

        President Obama does nothing but encourage good jobs, good pay, good families.
        Talk is cheap. Obama says whatever you want to hear at that moment then continues the socialist agenda. This is typical of totalitarian leadership — its all very Machiavellian and standard procedure for tyrants.
        Laus DeoSemper FI

        • Louis Lemieux

          Norway’s GDP per capita, it’s GDP divided by its population is about twice that of the U.S.A., yet the tax level in Norway is among the highest in the world. In 2009 its total tax revenue was 41.0% of its gross domestic product (GDP). How can that be if a little bit of socialism is that bad.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You’re mixing apples and oranges, Louis, as usual.
            Norway was also the home of the mass murder of 69 victims. Can I cite Socialism as the cause of that?
            Every country has different cultures, different needs, and different resources. To pull one country that has succeeded in spite of Socialism out of the hundreds that haven’t, and use it as evidence of the goodness of Socialism is just fallacious.
            Louis says — “Norway’s GDP per capita, it’s GDP divided by its population is about twice that of the U.S.A”.
            I’ve corrected you on that before, Louis, and yet you have the nerve to repeat your Propaganda. Depending on which source one uses, Norway’s GDP per capita on a PPP basis ranges from $55,000 to $62,800, while the US GDP per capita on a PPP basis ranges from $46,500 to $50,000. Even if we took the low from all the sources for the US and the high for all the sources for Norway, we would still only get a 35% increase. That is no where near the nearly twice you claim.
            I pronounce you a Propagandist, Louis, and a pretty poor one at that.
            http://www.heritage.org/index/country/norway
            http://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/pa-603.pdf
            http://mises.org/daily/4146

          • Louis Lemieux

            What has an occurrence of mass murder have anything to do with socialism or capitalism. It can and does happen anywhere. Now who’s mixing apples and oranges!!!

            If socialism is that bad, how come Norway and other socialist countries are doing so well?

            I don’t know where you get your GDP data. Mine come from World Bank national accounts data, and OECD National Accounts data files for 2012:

            Norway’s GDP per capita= $99,558.

            U.S.A. GDP per capita= $49,965.
            Facts are facts, not propaganda.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Wow, you are hopeless, aren’t you Louis?
            I was using that as a purposely ludicrous example of your own fallacious claims.
            Here’s my source:
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita
            Notice that there are 4 sources, and that one of them is from the World Bank. Hmmm.

          • Louis Lemieux

            The site I used is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita

            This is what I found at your site:
            “As estimates and assumptions have to be made, the results produced by different organizations for the same country tend to differ, sometimes substantially. PPP figures are estimates rather than hard facts, and should be used with caution.” Also at that same site: “U.S.A. GDP per capita $49,965. Norway GDP per capita $62,767. Luxembourg GDP per capita $88,318.”

            U.S.A. tax revenue at all levels as percentage of GDP in 2012 was 26.9%. Luxembourg’s was 36.5% and Norway’s was 43.6%. But according to you the more socialist a country is the less it’s suppose to be able to produce. Explain that to me!
            :

          • Deerinwater

            I doubt if he can Louis. ~

            It’s like the GOP claiming voter fraud and the necessity to address fraud with costly methods that are mainly aimed at an attempt to restrict the democrat vote. ~ But when asked to confirm this fraud ~ they can’t and left to resort to Acorn activities in 2008 where a single handful of cases have been documented and since Acorn has been dehorned and defunded. for it.

            The ability to make bogus claims ~ that do have tiny grains of truth to them ~ is unlimited ~ if we are allowed to go back to the creation of fire for support.

            It’s easy for David to make claims and ignore you question since the answer fails to support his claims.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Another numbnuts speaks. I did answer Louis’ question, but the answer was over his ignorant Liberal Progressive head.

          • Louis Lemieux

            If you were to speak this way in a serious debate you would get nowhere. A course in human relations would help you tremendously. I took one many years ago.
            Good luck.

          • Deerinwater

            So we are back to Name calling today are we? Just answer the question David ~ that’s all you need to do. ~

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I did explain it to you, Louis, but apparently you aren’t capable of understanding logic. Norway has different geography than the US, different cultures, and different laws. To compare Norway to the US is Fraudulent. And Norway is only one of two countries out of 43 countries in the european region that exceeds the US in per capita GDP on a PPP basis.
            Do you get it, numbnuts? You’re MIXING apples and oranges and cherry-picking for a desirable result. A complete analysis of the differences between the US and Sweden would be way over your ability to comprehend.
            This is what I found at YOUR site, Louis:
            “The figures presented here do not take into account differences in the cost of living in different countries, and the results can vary greatly from one year to another based on fluctuations in the exchange rates of the country’s currency. Such fluctuations may change a country’s ranking from one year to the next, even though they often make little or no difference to the standard of living of its population.
            Therefore these figures should be used with caution. GDP per capita is often considered an indicator of a country’s standard of living; although this can be problematic because GDP per capita is not a measure of personal income. See Standard of living and GDP”.
            Also, the figures you used didn’t take into account the different costs of living in the two countries (US and Sweden) (PPP purchasing power parity).
            Your total Government revenues for the US are inconsequential, Louis, because it’s the Government spending that matters. Whether they borrow the money for future generations to pay or tax it currently does not matter in the overall scheme of things. It’d be like you going on a spending spree on your credit card and trying to tell somebody that that spending doesn’t count. Last year the total Government spending was 40% of the GDP in the US.

          • Louis Lemieux

            I’m not hopeless, I’m just trying to understand your line of reasoning.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        [comment has been edited] as long as your trough is filled that is all you care about. And I would worry about that request for “god” blessing America because there is a counterfeit god called AntiChrist/Messiah/Madhi that is coming on the scene and you will take him because he will continue filling your trough.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      And all this was done on purpose to maneuver America for the last Socialist/Marxist overtaking.

  • vicki

    There may be a lot of creative people going galt very soon.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      And their actions will give O and his handlers the last nail to America’s coffin.
      Going Galt in the novel worked but it will not work in our time, the provisions have already been made for any such contingency on the part of the American people.

      • Deerinwater

        Galt is a fictitious charter created by a delightfully predisposed narcissistic mind that openly shared her dysfunction with the world like it was a blessed gift. ~ And it was!

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Ayn Rand emigrated from the USSR. She knew the results of nearly pure Socialism, Deer-in-Headlights.

          • Deerinwater

            It’s Deerinwater ~ David.

            I think Ayn Rand bio is common knowledge to most readers David. ~ To accept her work as the final word in Socialism would be like accepting a Nagasaki survivors opinion on Nuclear power generation.

            All surviving victims are predisposed to overreact and be forever “bent” to whatever they are victims of.

            Have you ever met a person that has survived a house fire and lost everything that they own?

            Does that make them an authority on House fires? ~ No it doesn’t ~ but it does make them much more “Mindful”.

            Ayn Rand took her fears ~ and used them to write wonderful novels and spread that fear with such talent we all found truly amazing. ~ To the most gullible like minded ~ she was and still is a prophet ~ to the rest of us ~ a very powerful writer with a narcissistic ability to justify every selfish thought she could conceive.

            I owe Ayn Rand a huge debt of gratitude ~ she introduced me too, help me understand and prepared me for people like you David. ~ Without her wonderful novels ~ I would have never dreamed that such twisted minds existed.

            “We the Living” was a very disturbing novel.

  • Barbara Johnson

    If you succeed, they will tax you and your business to death. The goal is to have every one of us on welfare. That is control.

    • Doc Sarvis

      President Obama has been pushing Congress for Jobs bills but they have NOT responded. He also tried to stop the corporation’s incentives to ship jobs overseas but the Republicans blocked that idea. The President wants more jobs for Americans.
      As for taxes, President Obama has asked for modest increases in taxes on the top 1-2% which would hardly cause death.

      • FreedomFighter

        Taxation is not the answer… smaller government, less regulation and a healthier economy is.
        Laus Deo
        Semper FI

      • smilee

        Income taxes have been raised only once in twenty years and then only for the top 2%, there have been several tax cuts, somehow I guess that fact escapes Barb

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          It’s not the taxes, it’s the spending. I guess that fact escapes Smilee.
          As long as the Government is spending, they are consuming our wealth. And much of their spending is on negatively-productive bureaucrats who harass decent businessmen and slow down their productivity.

          • Smilee

            Spending based on a per capita basis is the lowest since the fifties, Business’s today are at their highest productivity (much of that due to technology) and businessmen have never made more than today so what you see as harassment, which does not really exist, is an inaccurate statement. Are there any decent businessmen left in the big corporations today? If they were decent would they not be more responsible to their customers and employees whom they so mistreat today. Unions correct a lot of mistreatment’s in addition to living wages so the government (you and me, the taxpayers) do not have to pick up the difference for the underpaid so business no longer have to and be responsible for their employees well being. Nobody has it as good in this country today than the businessmen.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Smilee says — “Spending based on a per capita basis is the lowest since the fifties”.
            That’s a lie, Smilee. Care to prove me wrong with some evidence?
            http://www.glencoe.com/sec/socialstudies/economics/econprinciples2001/pdfs/C10-01C-820487.pdf

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        Government doesn’t create net jobs. They take money from the real job producers and waste it resulting in overall fewer jobs in the economy. Every make-work job created by Government comes at the expense of two real jobs that would have been created in the Private Sector.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      No but close. The end game of the Dems/Progs/Leftists/RCC elitists is just to have People that can be controlled. The offices and factories and stores will still exist and homes will still be built but beehive style. The homes and lands will be “given” to themselves and who ever they honor. The elites will halt crime because that would be a blot on their Utopia/Paradise. The people’s “Needs” will be met and private property will be abolished because that is considered Sin to own any private property.
      America is the last holdout to the Utopians dreams. We still have people of Judeo/Christian values who are awake and holding back the Utopian dreamers.

  • TRUTHER

    GEEZ. How dare that great American entrepreneur TELL THE TRUTH on that FREAKING PINKO RED-CHINA-LOVING OH-BUMMER !! The things that PINKO IN THE WHITE HOUSE is forcing us to do these days!

  • KG

    Mr Root, you’ve only proven one thing – just how shallow and sick you really are. I’m glad that you got to enjoy your ‘weekend’ with your children. Something that everyone with children wish they could have – you could spend more time with them, but in your pursuit of wealth, it seems as though they are really just weighing you down. Don’t worry, though, when they become drug addicts because their father was too busy making money they will still have ‘recovery’ centers like Passages in Malibu for you to send them to.

    What you have really done is prove something that I have felt for a long time. Rich, greedy basturds like yourself are actually jealous of the so-called ‘working class’. You envy Union members for the balls they have to do what it takes to win respect on the job. You lust for the leisure that ‘honest’ workers can enjoy without all of the guilt of screwing people over just to make a buck. However, I think you would not last too long. The first day you would have to work 12-14 hours in 100&deg + weather, you would be running back to Ruths Steakhouse to have some martinis.

    • hippybiker

      Why don’t you go to Cuba or China, AZZ Hat!

    • Frank Kahn

      You always miss the point and twist things to fit your moronic agenda KG. Truth is, you don’t give a rats ass about the job creators. You just have a wonderful time throwing pity parties for the criminal unions. You don’t even have a clue to what unions are or do. Your statement about the workers is a prime example of twisted hyperbole that has no semblance of truth to it.

      “You envy Union members for the balls they have to do what it takes to win respect on the job. ”

      Respect from whom? You want respect from us, then stop the whining and extortion and just do your damn job. Respect from liberal butt heads? Don’t want or need the adoration of simpletons. How big of BALLS does it take to extort undeserving wages and benefits from the company victims?

      “You lust for the leisure that ‘honest’ workers can enjoy without all of the guilt of screwing people over just to make a buck. ”

      What a pathetic attempt at trying to demonize people who created what this country depends on. All your low life union thugs wouldn’t have anyone to push around if it wasn’t for the people who create the damn jobs. “Honest workers”? I must assume you are not talking about union thugs, since honesty is not a part of their credo.

      “However, I think ”

      Should have been a comma after think but anyway, you don’t think, you just spew toxic opinions.

      “you would not last too long. The first day you would have to work 12-14 hours in 100° + weather, ”

      Lets see here, what are the worst lies in this statement. HAVE TO WORK 12 – 14 HOURS, not going to happen, labor laws prohibit forced overtime. And, most union thugs want to work overtime because they get 1.5 times the normally exaggerated pay. Now lets look at your hyperbole about the temperature of the working conditions. 100 + degree temperatures? What government building, police station, prison, jail or school is without air conditioning? What automobile assembly plant operates in 100+ temperatures? What hospitals don’t have air conditioning? How about the teamsters union, most truck drivers don’t drive trucks in 100+ degree temperatures inside their trucks. Actors guild? Airline pilots association? Not saying that there are no occupations, with unions, that do work in high, or even freezing temperatures, just saying that it is not an exclusive union environment. When it comes to actual numbers of union workers, I believe that the number working in comfort is larger than those working in extremes.

      “you would be running back to Ruths Steakhouse to have some martinis.”

      As opposed to the union workers WALKING to the BAR and GRILL for a beer?

      You need to get a grip on reality, the fact that you pitted him against UNION WORKERS instead of the regular WORKING PERSON, shows a bias towards loving the union criminal element. UNION WORKERS do not work any harder or produce any better products, or services, than NON UNION WORKERS. The only difference is that the NON UNION WORKERS get paid what they are worth, instead of raping the companies they work for.

      • KG

        Wrong – Non-union workers get paid in ‘competitive’ wages , Union workers get paid what they are worth. I respect regular workers as much as any other worker. It’s only the ones who whine about all the benefits that Union workers get, and, yet, they just keep being exploited by the people they work for. Anyone who has a hole in their butt would take a Union job before a non union job if they had the choice. And why? Like Jerry Maguire “,,,,show me the money!”

        “…if you hate the union so much, why not just quit?”
        “…I need the money.”
        “,,,well then, stop your complaining and let’s get back to work.”

        Solidarity forever!

        • Mith Radates

          KG: your ” ‘competitive wages’ ” non-sequitur is a tacit admission that union wages are artificially inflated by threats of job action and support from the left-twist NLRB. If anyone with “a hole in their butt” would prefer a union job, why is union membership at an all-time low and sinking, in spite of our thug government’s best efforts to support them? Unions served a valid purpose, and to some extent still do, but the purpose is diminishing. I know this is a difficult concept, but the more the cost of a service or good is increased without concomitant value, the higher its price will have to be to make it worth selling, and the less market there will be for it resulting in fewer employment opportunities for those who produce it. Artificial, non-value-add marginal costs directly result in higher prices and lower value. Whether this is due to union-driven cost inflation or government interference in the market, the result is the same: economic dislocation of price to value.

          • Matforce

            What we’re seeing is the effect of downward pressure on wages here to compete for jobs with sweatshop labor forces offshore (China= $1.36/hr. avg. wage, many work for 30 cents/hr.). China is an example of a nation empire building on the backs of its people, who are little more than the property of the state with few rights (no 40 hr. work week, overtime compensation, child labor laws, time off, speech, safety regulations, etc.), but who will work under these conditions because they know the alternative is worse.
            Unions are on the decline (6.6% in the private sector, and 33% in the public sector, their last bastion). The pressure to capitulate to this downward pressure and join what some have termed, “the race to the bottom,” I call, “getting in a pissing match with a pole cat,” carried out to its conclusion, will certainly lead to a drastic change for the middle class worker, not for the better…

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Those Chinese slave laborers keep millions of Americans in comfort, Matforce. If they are suffering, it is only because they are living in a country with stifling Big Government, similar to what the Progressives are trying to create here.

          • Smilee

            Frankie and Mith: Union membership is at an all time low due to currant labor laws which makes trying to join a union very risky. Polls show 71 percent of workers would join if they would not put their jobs at risk in the process and they fear losing their health insurance if fired especially those whom have a preexisting condition. Obamacare should will lower the health insurance risk. Also the harassment you get from companies during organization, I know I went through it three times and it is pure hell. Yes its against the law to fire someone for trying to organize a union but you will spend up to four years in the court trying to win your job back and few want to risk that. .Workers are not against the $800.00 greater wages that union members get on average in addition to better benefits. Myself because of being union I get $400.00 per month more Social Security Benefits than those where I worked with whom were non union because the benefit is based on you income while working and due to my higher wages I get that much more, also my pension is $1000.00 more per month over the non unions were I worked. We did not qualify for earned income credit, food stamps, medicaid, child care subsidies etc due to our wages were too high. Do you realize you are paying for all these welfare programs which unions would decrease greatly thus cutting government spending drastically. It is in every taxpayers interest financially to have strong unions and that happens when union membership is high. Those of you who hate unions or blame them, I say, enjoy subsidizing all they people whom are greatly underpaid because that is what you are doing now.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You don’t have a clue, Smilee. Every above-market wage that a Unionist gets, comes at the expense of another regular Joe’s job or monetary expense for the goods or services that he needs. There is no Free Lunch — only in the minds of Coercive Liberal Progressives.

        • Bill

          Kg,
          You sound like a public sector union member, which is the most overcompensated and worthless of the bunch. At least the private sector unions have to compete in the marketplace.
          I think we should eliminate 50% of public sector jobs, subsidized by taxpayer money, and let you fend for yourself. Welcome to Detroit

        • Frank Kahn

          It is you who are wrong. You cannot separate competitive wages from being paid what you are worth. It is the competition that drives innovation and improvement. The better you are at your job, the more you are worth. Better workers get better pay. Worse workers get less pay. And, lousy workers get fired. This creates an incentive to do a better job. If you take away the incentive, you remove the motivation for improvement. As an HONEST worker, if I don’t like what I am being paid, I work harder to make my services more valuable. If the company does not reward my work, I find a different company to work for. This motivates companies to pay good, competitive wages. That is how the market controls the cost benefit ratio. You look down on honest workers for being exploited by the employer, but you fail to acknowledge the exploitation of the workers, by the unions. You call, being paid what you are worth (see above), exploited, but call being paid, what the union demands, your right. You have a twisted view of reality, you THINK you are worth anything you can FORCE someone to pay.

          Lets look at your assertion about everyone with a hole in their butt (stupid method of identifying people), wanting a union job over a non union job. In all cases, where the state has legislated the peoples right to choose if they want to be in a union, the union membership has gone down. If everyone prefers a union job, why do they leave the union when they are given the choice?

          In college, I took a class in ethics. In this class, one of our projects was to watch and analyze the movie you mentioned. Was Jerry Maguire ethical, were his choices about the money correct? If you paid attention to the movie, you will actually see the point where even Jerry discovers that it is not all about the money. The movie portrays greed, and how it is destructive, in a persons life. You really want to use that as a basis for your ideals?

          Your SOLIDARITY (meaning union tyranny) has priced us out of the international jobs market. The corporations SOLIDARITY has moved the jobs to countries that don’t bow down to the union gods.
          Your (union) greed has destroyed the job market in this country. Sorry to hear that you think it is the corporate greed that did it, you need to stop wearing blinders and accept the culpability of the unions demands.

          • KG

            You seem to imply that Union workers are less honest than non union workers. That is simply not true. In Los Angeles, a major city with both union and non union contractors, Union contractors have to compete against their non union equivalents for every job they get. Despite undercutting and underbidding by the non union, union contractors are still VERY profitable. Don’t think that union contractors have any kind of advantage – other than the fact that union construction workers are the best trained and most efficient. I do not know what industry you work in, but construction contractors usually have very thin margins to begin with. Especially on Government jobs where the margin may be less than 1%. And, yet, they still make money. The non union usually makes most of its profits by bidding the job at prevailing wage and then paying their workers only 25-30% of that wage. So, by shortchanging their workers, they are able to make millions just by showing up.

            The ethics of businesspeople are well documented, but kept hidden to further the myth of the ‘honest businessman’ who by sheer will forges profit from the ground he walks on. Which is a complete fairytale. Everybody knows that Contractors only want two kinds of contracts – Government contracts and BIG Government contracts.

            The “right to work’ states that you speak of have tried to destroy the Unions through legislation rather than the ‘competition’ you worship. If I could get a union wage without joining the union, then why bother paying dues? No wonder union participation declines. However, many people are realizing the thievery that the business have done and are joining unions anyway.

            If you were a little older, you may have had the opportunity to see an America with a strong, vibrant working class. Unfortunately, thanks to Reagan and his policies, we have a whole generation of young people who have only read about unions or what their professors had to say. And most professors of ‘business’ or economic classes are biased towards a right wing Republican worldview. What did HWBush say? “….greed is good.” I think Gecko said the same thing in the movie ‘Wall Street”. Go out and rent “On the Waterfront”. It’s a good flick as well as a good look at many of the struggles Working people have whether you are union or not.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            KGB,
            If it were true that Union Contractors were more productive than Non-Union Contractors, then they wouldn’t need the coercive power of a Union to ply their trade.
            KGB says — “The “right to work’ states that you speak of have tried to destroy the Unions through legislation rather than the ‘competition’ you worship”.
            No, KGB, the right to work states have simply allowed workers and employers to make their own choices without the Force of Coercive Unionists.
            http://www.nrtw.org/
            Right to Work States and info:
            http://www.nrtw.org/rtws.htm

          • KG

            You slipped up – I didn’t say ‘contractors’, I said ‘workers’. Most businesspeople do NOT want traditional ‘employees’ but to make as many of their workers ‘contract labor’ so as to screw them as much as they can. When you can hardly afford food for your family, it’s hard to hire a lawyer as good as the businessman. That’s where the benefits of Union membership can be readily seen. All the workers of a local Union can get together and hire a good lawyer to defend their ‘g-d’ given rights. But that scares the crap out of oppressive bidness entremanuers who make their money through manipulation of their ‘slaves’.

            What about the force of coercive bidness people? Ask the coal miner strikers who were machine gunned down by Pinkerton guards. Or the people beaten by Police officers for exercising their American right to associate and petition for grievances?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            KGB, are you denying that you said — “Union contractors have to compete against their non union equivalents for every job they get”?

          • KG

            That’s what I said. But, remember, “contractors” is not the same as “workers”. A Contractor is an entrepreneur who risks his capitol to make money. A Worker is someone hired by that person to help him make money. What’s happened today is the BS of many ‘human resource’ hacks who came up with the ‘Associate’ title. You see, when you become ‘employed’ there are certain rules that the employer has to follow. But if you are ‘contracted’ then you have to abide by the contract, no matter what slick clauses his lawyer slipped in. I’d rather work under a ‘collective bargaining contract’ because the Union can hire some good lawyers to read the contracts. That’s an advantage you could never hope for being a “rugged individualist’.

            Solidarity Forever

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            KGB says — “Ask the coal miner strikers who were machine gunned down by Pinkerton guards”.
            References, KGB? You know those pesky things that are anathema to Socialist Progressives?

          • KG
          • Frank Kahn

            I can only judge the honesty of union workers by what they say. When they say they are being paid what they are worth, they are lying. When they say they only want a living wage, they are lying. When they say unions create a strong economy and good work ethics they are lying. When they say that unions just want what is good for the working class they are lying. When they say they deserve to be able to dictate policy and benefits, they are lying. If they deny the physical violence perpetrated by unions to “negotiate” their demands, they are lying. When they start speaking in a manner that is consistent with reality, they will not be liars anymore.

            Lets see about your example. You pick a radically liberal state, that is totally bankrupt, to forward your claims about union vs non union contractors. You denigrate the contractors for paying a competitive wage after underbidding unions. Even though the workers are being paid a living wage, you think the contractor is wrong for making a profit. A non union shop has to complete the job with the same standard of materials and workmanship as the unions so the qualifications of the workers must be equivalent.

            I beg to differ on your assertion that most educators are conservatives. Most are extremely liberal educators and push the union ideals. Capitalism is not a republican agenda, it is an economic theory. Unions are not a valid part of capitalism because they destroy the markets ability to self correct.

            Unions (leadership) have been, increasingly, shown to be criminals through embezzling union funds for personal profit. Unions fight the desire for pay according to performance. Unions often ignore the needs and wishes of their members. They have their own social and political agendas that they will promote regardless of the members desires.

            Unions are greedy, just as greedy, if not more so, as businesses.

            Then you make allusions to my age, based on my anti-union stance. Well, considering your stance, it would appear that you attended the liberal public school system recently and were indoctrinated into believing the union lies. This would place you in the early 20 to early 30 year old age bracket. I doubt that that is an accurate assessment of your age, so why would you think it is valid to make the same assumption about mine?

            I have worked for a union, and except for job security and paying dues, there was nothing that was apparent about its operations. It was the company that trained us, not the union. Our proficiency was due to company training, and our own personal work ethics, the union had nothing to do with it.

            I am much older than you think. I have worked on ranches stacking loose hay stacks in extreme summer temperatures. I have helped herd and hand milk cows at a private dairy farm. We drove our pickup out to a ranch and used shovels to fill the bed with manure to bring back to fertilize our large garden. My first job was washing cars for a Ford dealer at $1 an hour. I changed irrigation pipe settings for a ranch and received $1 a day. I understand the concept of putting in a solid day of hard manual labor for a paycheck.

            It was a strong work ethic that made this nation great, not unions.

          • KG

            So, I guess you think Enron was a well run establishment. As well as the criminals that were running AIG. How about those “… greedy, just as greedy, if not more so,…” genus’s running Lehman Brothers? Your paintbrush that you try to paint a truly Fraternal brotherhood with your unfounded attacks are not enough to break the esprit de corps of organizations that want more than crumbs to live on. I guess you just couldn’t “hack it” eh? Don’t feel bad, there are a lot of losers that can’t make the high standards of craftsmanship that Union brothers demand of each other.
            Yes, and it was the strong work ethic of Union workers that helped America win it’s war against Fascism. And when they returned from killing Nazis, they came back to build America into an economic powerhouse – but with the benefits of shared sacrifice. You, sir, enjoy an incredible country built by Labor, give it the respect it deserves.

            And if you still hate people who want to improve their lot in life, then G-d bless ya.

          • Frank Kahn

            Couldn’t hack what? I worked that union job right up until the company went bankrupt.

            You paint a very bright, if totally twisted, picture of what won the second world war. There is no union in the military, and from what I remember, the military won the war. And as to your supposed assertion that it was union men that did the fighting, I beg to differ. A large portion of the military were people from ranches and farms who volunteered. Every able bodied man was taken to fight that war, being in a union had not even a small consideration in the acceptance qualifications. The great industrial war machine, that supplied the troops with equipment, was also manned (woman-ed) by normal, non union volunteer citizens. Even the children pitched in to do their parts by making mattresses and things for the soldiers. Non of those children were in unions.

            The rise of unions was rife with criminal behavior, including destruction of property and physical violence. There was nothing noble about their beginnings, and things have not gotten better.

            What you claim is crumbs, is what you deserve to be paid. You don’t deserve the extraordinary benefits that unions force on the companies.

            I am not championing the corporations that have done extreme harm to the environment or the workers, I am simply pointing out that the unions are no better in their abuses.

            I also do not deny that the American worker built a great nation, but it was not because of unions.

            I also have no disdain for people who wish to improve their station in life, I just object to the underhanded and dishonest manner that unions use to achieve it.

          • Deerinwater

            Franks says, “The better you are at your job, the more you are worth. Better workers get better pay. Worse workers get less pay. And, lousy workers get fired. ”

            says who? you? ~ That just the way we “would like” for it to work Frank but it rarely does.

            I have been in the same trade 43 years. ~ yet I must compete within a framework of “Market Prices” ~ I can’t command more, regardless of how “good” I am . ~ I’m left to do less to make more. ~ For the more I do, the less I make. ~ It’s comfortable ~ and that is where I am left to find just confiscation for my efforts.

          • Frank Kahn

            It is not really a matter of how we would like it to work, it is how it should work.

            Our society has fallen into the “lets just do enough to get by” attitude. The are willing to sacrifice quality for price. This drives the market down, and as a consequence it reduces the overall quality of services offered. In the end, though, most realistic thinking people will gravitate to the better of the services provided. This may not increase the profit per job but it should increase the volume of contracts. So the better contractor is better paid in terms of volume of business.

          • Deerinwater

            No Frank ~ sorry to disagree ~ but he’s not being paid “Better” ~ he is only being paid for what he has done.

            That he did more and got paid more does not constitute “better” pay. ~

          • Frank Kahn

            So, you want to descend back into the liberal BS again?

            If you, and your ilk, think that being paid more for more effort is bad, then you need to just stop working at all.

            Yours is the problem with the economy and the ideals of the ruling people. “why do more to get paid more, when you can do nothing and get paid enough”

            It looks like it is your philosophy that is restricting your profit, not the market.

          • Deerinwater

            Just toying with you Frank. ~

            But I don’t enjoy the pleasure of being paid more for the same work. ~ In fact I am actually working for less .

            It has nothing to do with some Liberal or Conservative boxed thought process Frank. It’s just the knowledge that 43 years of experience offers a Tradesman that’s competing with less seasoned Tradesmen.

            I simple produce more with less effort. ~ but i don’t get paid anymore than a 10 year man in trade.

            This black or white thought process has really affected your thinking process and your ability to process information.

            If you wanted to double your money on a $100.00 item ~ how much would your mark up be Frank?

          • Frank Kahn

            It is not my thought process that was the problem. I processed what you said. You did not, originally, say what you meant. You are being paid more than the others if you take it as a value for time spent. Your philosophy is to keep your price competitive so as to maintain a customer base, but you simply (simple for you) do the work in a more efficient manner. It is almost the same as when mechanics use the flat rate manual, where you are charged a specific amount for a given repair. A good mechanic can do it in half the time and makes more money but even if it takes them twice as long you don’t pay extra.

            As to the question of markup, it depends on your original premise. If the item cost me $100 then I would mark it up $100 for a final price of $200. In rational reasoning that is a 100% markup, however, most retailers say it is a 50% markup because only half of the price is the actual markup. I am assuming that this is not a trick question, and you are not going to hit me with some tax problem.
            I am also assuming that we are keeping it simple with no business fundamentals involved.

          • Deerinwater

            Hmm? ~ most retailers are correct. ~ One would need to double their money and still have the original one hundred dollars. The original one hundred is already yours.

          • Frank Kahn

            Actually, based on your original statement, you are incorrect.

            You did not say how much markup for a profit of double your money, you said double your money. The two key parts of the question are “double” and “your money”. After the sale, the money I had originally is returned, that is the original $100. That is my money. If I sold the item for $200, then I have an additional $100. That is also my money.

            I started with $100

            I now have $200

            $200 = $100 * 2 (doubling is multiplying by 2)

            I have, therefore, doubled my money.

            If I had made a $200 profit, I would have tripled my money, because I would now have $300. To claim I had only doubled my money would be a lie.

            Your assertion that you would need to double your money, and also have the original, is absurd.

    • Dave Weaver

      My guess KG is that when all of the “greedy” job creators decide to stop running businesses…

      all of the “virtuous union workers” will be working for…

      uhm…

      uhm…

      And BTW, Who is John Galt?

      • Matforce

        Atlas shrugged absolves our Plutocrats from any responsibility for the economic treason of kicking the US worker to the curb in favor of larger profit margins exploiting sweatshop labor offshore, sending these same workers into underemployment/unemployment, then blaming them for being lazy. Galt types will be heard cheering and jumping for joy when it is announced that the USA workforce has liquidated all their assets, entered into mortgage foreclosure, lined up for unemployment, and signed up for public assistance because the American Dream they built their life on was pulled out from under them so our “multinationals” could reap record gains while America the Beautiful, once the land of opportunity, declines into a mere Plutocracy, of the Galts, by the Galts, and for the Galts!

        • Bill

          Mat,
          Why don’t you try working for yourself and being responsible for your own destiny. Instead of relying on a company to give you a job

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            He couldn’t eat that much crow.

        • Dave Weaver

          Try reading it again … you missed the point of the book (not that I am surprised).

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Thank you.

    • 57girl

      @ KG . Not everyone willing to work hard and make sacrifices for a better future is a rich, greedy basturd.

      This Nation grew on a foundation of hope, ambition, and dreams, which is the whole point of this article ( I think you missed it). True, there are plenty of rich, greedy, basturds out there, but I think these days most of them are in Washington D.C. selling out our Nation’s Sovereignty. Sadly, the people’s ambition and dreams are getting sucked down the drain with our borders. Probably because lemmings, like you, are too blind to read the writing on the wall.

      • AttMore

        You also can add,poor,greedy,bastards,after other people’s money(taxpayer’s)…i.e…”free”cell phones,food stamps,etc…just saying.

      • Bill

        57 girl
        “Rich Greedy Basturd” is just a label they put on someone when they want to steal their money

    • Mith Radates

      KG: Did you actually read the piece? It was not about Mr. Root; it was written by and about a businessman. “Drug addicts”? My experience is that children of hard-working, dedicated, honest business people (makers) tend to develop those traits themselves. Children of those addicted to government hand-outs (takers), well not so much.

    • Bill

      KG,
      Spoken like a true comrade

    • Nadzieja Batki

      So KG, do you see yourself as another messiah? Saving America from people like Root.

      • Deerinwater

        Root has worked as an Odds maker In Vegas for Christ sake. ~ Work ethic? ~` My guess would be if he was very good at it ~ he world still be there.

        No disrespect to the trade or Mr. Root ~ but really ! what sort of work ethic are we discussing here. ~ A bit of commitment is required to be a good hooker.

        • Bob666

          Yo Deer,
          At least with the Good Hooker-you have a found memory!

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          How unusual — a Liberal Progressive launching an Ad Hominem attack.
          Yawn.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      How do those “greedy basturds” screw people over to make their money, KGB? Is there a law of which I am unaware that Forces you to buy their products? The only screwing I see is that which you and your cohorts do by voting to take other peoples’ money against their will.
      Egads, how can you make your comments with a straight face? What a colossal hypocrite.

      • KG

        Yes – it’s usually called supply and demand, but the real dichotomy is Fear and Greed. Walmart is a perfect example of ‘force to screw’. Because of it’s unethical manner concerning it’s largest expense, Labor, it has become a ‘Leviathan’ of business scouring the face of the earth in search of people to exploit for their labor and riches. Have you ever took a ride through rural southern America lately? What happens is you pass an empty Walmart building, then you pass the ghost town, and then a Super Walmart usually next to the trailer court. After using its vast resources to underprice their competition, the old downtown area becomes vacant. The ‘mom and pop’ stores cannot compete with the ‘leviathan’ and so they go out of business. But the final coup de graice is when those same ‘small business’ people have to work at the Walmart to survive.

        Just face the facts – there is no such thing as a ‘free’ market.

  • Louis Lemieux

    There are other values in life besides money. Putting money ahead of everything is dehumanizing. The U.S. has 5% of world population with 24% of world GDP. The problem is unbridled capitalism with time concentrates the wealth just like in a game of monopoly. How many billionaires do we have in the U.S.? One billion dollars can buy 5,000 houses worth $200,000. Employers who do meet with success should give accordingly better salaries to their employees who are also responsible for this success. The problematic is: Why should they if they don’t have to do it?

    • 57girl

      Chasing money and having ambition are two different animals. These days, people are working two, sometimes three, jobs just to keep up with inflation, and keep a roof over their heads.

      Before the Government stepped in, excessive labor brought with it rewards. Go back to sleep, I’m sure your welfare check will be arriving soon— You missed the whole point of the article.

      • Matforce

        I hear ya, 57! I agree, but Government stepping in is only part of the problem.

        Coming out of the Great Depression, with its lessons fresh in the minds of the nation, our Government enacted the Employment Act of 1946 with 3 stated goals: 1) maximize employment, 2) maximize production/economic growth and 3) price stability (stabilize inflation).
        For and example of how Government works effectively on behalf of the nation in regard to this growing trend of wealth consolidation, take a look at the efforts, back then, to cultivate a thriving middle class: During WWII our manufacturing sector gearing up in response to the war, saw an influx of military contracts that created a boom for stock holders in the military industrial complex. After the war, the military/industrial complex transitioned nicely into the worlds premier manufacturing sector of consumer goods. When the Korean War began, the manufacturing sector saw another increase in military contracts and the stock holders, board of trustees, and executive teams stood to make out like bandits. But the big bad Government stepped in and judged that the increase in profits wasn’t due to any managerial sagacity, but was due to the War effort, and decreed that the increase be spread to include the workforce. This went against the will of the management team.
        Call it what you want, but the result was the world’s biggest consumer economy that led to the BOOM years of the 50s and 60s when the USA middle class was the envy of the world, a beacon on the hill with the best median lifestyle of any nation on earth… (actually during the 50s and 60s there were a few years where we actually had federal budget surpluses, even as we spent exorbitant amounts of money on urban sprawl and suburban infrastructure/development…

        • Smilee

          We also had strong unions to insure wages were adequate and this created high consumer demand and all prospered. If you track it the middle class declined equally with the decline of unions.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Unions did not create the middle class but they sure did everything to destroy it.

          • Smilee

            How do you explain when we had strong unions we had a strong middle class and when they got weak so did the middle class and many underpaid today even working full time and are still eligible for the welfare programs that have sprang up since wages went down and were no longer sufficient to make a living on. Those in unions are not eligible for these welfare because of higher wages as the welfare programs are based on wages. Do you like subsidizing all those employers with your out of pocket taxes needed finance this. Unions destroyed nothing and if you study labor history during the life of our county you will see that in the years (1940’s-1970’s) that the middle class and the country did best and during this time unions and the middle class were at their peak. That shoots your off the cuff BS right in the butt.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Lots of conjecture, Smilee, but no facts.

      • Louis Lemieux

        I never was on welfare , I worked hard all my life supporting my family and now I’m retired. Like a good Christian I don’t judge those who are on welfare, I came very close to being on welfare one time and I understand I could have been on welfare for no fault of my own.
        Want to be happy? Stop judging others! A multimillionaire can look down at a millionaire and say he was lazy for not being as successful. Everything in that respect is relative.

    • Matforce

      The last time I looked the number of billionaires in the USA increased from 13 or 14 in 1980 to over 400 today. A $BILLION sitting on Wall Street collecting a mere 3% is $30,000,000 in one year. $30 MILLION, get it?

      • Bill

        Matforce,
        That is a good argument in favor of class envy. “How dare they have all that money and not give any to me”. Guess what Mat, when the government takes their money, with your encouragement, they still won’t give any to you. So, quit your whining

        • Matforce

          You’re wrong about me and class envy, Bill. I’m not envious of the perpetrators of this economic treason that has consolidated USA wealth at the top like we haven’t seen in close to 100 years, while they’ve used this wealth and influence to hold the hand that writes the legislation into law that has given them this favor, I’m FURIOUS!!!

          • Bill

            Mat,
            So tell us about the economic treason that you speak of.
            Is it because our country has become a Fascist nation, only catering to whatever industry or union that pays them the most money with no regard for any individual. Or is it because we are so overtaxed and over regulated that a small business cannot survive?
            Or do you have a different definition for economic treason?

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Your fury is worthless because the Dems/Progs/Leftists and those in power find ways to deceive and get around people’s fury. Why do you think that nothing seems to change?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Then why do you want to play right into their hands with even more Government, Matforce?
            The Leaders love people like you.

        • Karolyn

          It’s not whining to lament the fact that so many have no care for their fellow humans.

          • Bill

            Karolyn,
            So, you condone stealing from productive people and giving it to non productive people.
            Remember, Karolyn, these great Robin Hood government agencies that you worship are the same ones that promote Monsanto GMO’s and want to take away your right to eat organic foods and heal yourself using supplements and alternative therapies

          • Karolyn

            Bill, Bill, Bill – Why not just take what I say at face value? Where did I say I “worship” government agencies? The number of wealthy people has grown disproportionately, and a majority of them are greedy. All they care about is growing their wealth. I mean, seriously, how much money does one need? It always has seemed to me that those who have not are the ones who give the most, both of themselves and their pocketbooks. As a matter of fact, I learned that very fact at a fundraising seminar I went to years ago. You know how people dream about what they would do if they won the lottery? A majority of the people I have played that game with have said the first thing they would do is give a certain amount away. I know it is what I would do. Money means little in the grand scheme of things.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Let me get this straight, Karolyn. People who want to keep their own money are Greedy, but you who want to help yourselves to their money Aren’t?
            That’s some mighty fine rationalization, Karolyn.

          • Karolyn

            I don’t want to “help myself to anyone’s money. I never said that, Dave. I’m speaking on a purely spiritual level about humanity. Money can’t buy happiness, but there are plenty of people who keep trying.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Karolyn, you may indeed be purely lecturing with no intention of involving the Force of Government, but if so, you need to make that very clear. This is a Political site you know.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Your type of caring, Karolyn. If anyone relied on your type of caring they would first make sure that it is not quicksand they are standing in.

          • Karolyn

            Nadzieja – Why do you consistently have to show your ignorance by constant use of ad hominems? Have you nothing better to say?

          • Bob666

            Yo Karolyn,
            Actually-she does not.

          • WTS/JAY

            So says the male-chauvinist.

          • Bob666

            That’s funny Spin Master Jay,
            I still open doors for my wife and she and both of my daughters would disagree with you. .

          • WTS/JAY

            I’d rather hear it from them than you, Bob. But that isn’t going to happen, right?

          • Bob666

            Well Jay,
            I rather hear from your wife wife that you are not a condescending A$$-but we both know that will never happen.

            Say good night Jay, the boat is unloaded and washed down and I am going to sleep in a bed that does not move.

          • WTS/JAY

            Don’t go away mad, Bob. Just go away!

          • Bob666

            Poor Spin Master Jay,
            All worked up and no one to preach to?

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Are you sure he is the “male” and not chauvinistic travesti?

          • WTS/JAY

            Well, he is a free-mason! Enough said…

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I agree with Nad. You are a hypocrite, Karolyn.

          • WTS/JAY

            I agree! Especially the one’s who have no voice. Like the un-born? Hmm…hypocrisy, thy name is Karolyn.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            If you cared for your fellow humans, Karolyn, taking their money Forcefully would be the last thing you would consider.

      • WTS/JAY

        Mat: The last time I looked the number of billionaires in the USA increased from 13 or 14 in 1980 to over 400 today. A $BILLION sitting on Wall Street collecting a mere 3% is $30,000,000 in one year. $30 MILLION, get it?

        And some became billionaires under the Obama-administration. And who do you think made all that possible? You got it! Big-government in bed with Big-busines! Btw, are you jealous?

    • Bill

      Louis,
      I see you have been reading your Carl Marx books, Comrade

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Not only Karl Max but also Thomas Aquinas, The Popes all the Socialists and Marxists and Fascists of all time.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Such a load of crap coming out of you and you are attempting to make it sweet smelling.

    • FreedomFighter

      “There are other values in life besides money. Putting money ahead of everything is dehumanizing.”
      You own more than that South American Illegal alien, make yourself more human, give them all your money. Your job, your house, your car, and all your possession’s. Now you are more human and equal. Oh, don’t want to give all that up do you? Neither does anyone else.
      Socialism sucks for everyone.
      Laus DeoSemper FI

      • Louis Lemieux

        I believe in that kind of socialism where collective rights help protect individual rights. What you are describing is communism, not socialism.

        • FreedomFighter

          Socialism is an economic system characterised by social ownership of the means of production and co-operative management of the economy.[1] “Social ownership” may refer to cooperative enterprises, common ownership, state ownership, citizen ownership of equity, or any combination of these.[2] There are many varieties of socialism and there is no single definition encapsulating all of them.[3] They differ in the type of social ownership they advocate, the degree to which they rely on markets or planning, how management is to be organised within productive institutions, and the role of the state in constructing socialism.[4]

          A socialist economic system consists of a system of production and distribution organised to directly satisfy economic demands and human needs, so that goods and services are produced directly for use instead of for private profit driven by the accumulation of capital.[5] Accounting is based on physical quantities, a common physical magnitude, or a direct measure of labour-time in place of financial calculation.[6][7] Distribution is based on the principle to each according to his contribution. Marxist theory holds that the development of the socialist mode of production will give rise to a communist society,

          Your just another “Usefull Idiot”, even your own dogma calls you a liar or uniformed tool.
          Laus DeoSemper FI

          • Louis Lemieux

            Having different values and views doesn’t make anyone of us a liar or an idiot. I hope some day you come to realize this.

            I believe in some socialistic measures to temper the inhumane consequences of unbridled capitalism as long as it doesn’t stifle private initiative.

          • FreedomFighter

            Ok then just a “uninformed tool”

            Laus Deo
            Semper FI

          • Louis Lemieux

            You’re learning but don’t stop there!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            What could we learn from you, Louis? You’re as ignorant as you look.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Please enlighten us, Louis, about the inhumanity of Capitalism compared to the “humanity” of you pushy controlling Liberal Progressives.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Where collective rights help protect individual rights?
          That’s an oxymoron, Louis. You would know that if you had any sense at all.

    • Karolyn

      Yes, the biggest problem in the world is GREED! Followed by POWER!

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Louis says — “Putting money ahead of everything is dehumanizing”.
      Then why do you Liberal Progressives put money before everything else, Louis? Why do you steal other peoples’ money and spend it like it’s your own?

      Louis says — “The problem is unbridled capitalism with time concentrates the wealth”.
      How ignorant can a person get, Louis? We haven’t had anything close to Capitalism since the turn of the 20th century. That concentration of wealth that you anguish over is being accomplished by political means by people who are playing you ignorant Liberal Progressives for the fools that you are.
      With Real Capitalism (Free Markets) companies are slaves to the consumers. If they don’t produce what we want, at the price we want, they lose market share to the companies who do. Only with Crony Capitalism, promoted by Big Government, can companies get away with not pleasing the consumers.

      People, who don’t want to be dog-dirt ignorant like Louis, should read this book and learn something:
      http://library.mises.org/books/Kel%20Kelly/The%20Case%20for%20Legalizing%20Capitalism.pdf

  • To Tell The Truth

    KG-the fact that you’re still walking among us is truly scary. Your single-digit IQ is showing, lower your skirt.

  • ivan67702000

    Well Mr. Root, Glad you finally jumped in the Wagon, 6 Years ago I turned the key off, I find it very comforting to sleep at night. I can truly said, I do not feed the Beast.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      But you are feeding the Beast one way or another.

  • Dave

    Mr Root,

    You are correct about one thing. WE did build it. What Obama referred to in your twisting of his words were; The internet was not built by you. That is the medium you are using. If you have a store, the roads that lead people to your store was not built by you. If you are a manufacturer, you have a lot of help to build your widget, you have others that built your Telco lines, your, transportation lines etc.

    Where is Congress’s responsibility since you may or may not know… they make the laws or in the case of the GOP obstruct anything that could be seen as a Obama victory. Conservatives in Congress have put their political ideology before the country. When your hero George W. Bush was president, nary a word was said by conservatives when he raised the debt ceiling 6 times and invaded and occupied Iraq.
    I guess your job as a right wing propagandist means to lie, exaggerate and have selective amnesia about what your conservative friends have done and what Obama has and had not done.

    • jdn

      No Dave you are wrong !!! When old Bush went on his moron tour we Conservatives did resist and push back . We organized and held rallies and protested . This became the TEA Party and no we did not start the day the big O took office because he is part black . That little race baiting tid bit came from MSNBC and soon became the mantra of the DNC .

      • Dave

        That is a lie. The tea party organization did not even come to prominence until after your hero Bush left office. After 9/11 your side joined the chorus of right wing group think calling anyone who disagreed with your hero as traitorous to the country.
        kinda like your side does today.

  • 57girl

    Years ago I was ambitious and I worked my butt off chasing my DREAMS. Those dreams have since died. I realize, we are hamsters on a wheel. These days, I could care less. I think Mr. Root has pretty much summarized my lack of incentive with his article. Why bother work for a better future, when the Government can ‘seize’ a person’s assets at will, and pass it out to every illegal alien that crosses our borders, in his effort to erase those same borders? I look at paying taxes like arming the enemy these days. The money the IRS takes in is not going to the benefit of the American people, or our Nation. The Government doles our the tax revenues, they rob from the people, to support Foreign aid, illegal wars, and to provide Food Stamps for non-citizens, etc. and so on … I don’t condone any of the aforementioned uses of American tax dollars for those purposes, so why should I pay for them? Of course, I don’t acknowledge Obama as ‘my’ President, either, so I guess I have an attitude problem, across the board these days.

    If I had any say in the matter, our current Government would be replaced with patriots, our Constitution restored, and all of the programs like NAFTA, etc. and our ties with Foreign entities, like the UN, broken. Until those things happen, it is pointless to chase rainbows.

    It appears the American Dream has become a nightmare.

    • Bill

      I agree with you 57 girl,
      My wife and I have two separate business’s and we no longer hire any full time employees. We only use independent contractors or virtual assistants. We know the point where if we make more money we just pay more taxes so we stop there. There is no way we are going to work harder just to give the money to a deadbeat

  • Matforce

    This economy is the result of 30 years of favor for BIG $$$. To place the blame on Obama is disingenuous.

    The beginning of the end for the USA as an economic dynamo happened when we began to send jobs offshore. We had steady trade surpluses up until 1975. Made in USA was sought for its quality. Our metallurgists made the world’s best alloys, our industries manufactured the best products. Our Midwest “Industrial Belt” cranked out products as fast and at as high a quality standard as any shop in the world. Our R&D was second to none and the capital flowing from our investment sector saw to it that Made in USA had plenty of financial backing.

    I saw this offshoring trend begin in the 1960s when our shoe, textile, and garment factories went to South and Central American workshops to capitalize on cheap labor. Then in the 70s, our electronics (“transistors,” TVs, high end audio), toys, and steel went to Japan. But, to me, (and I voted for him)
    the tide turned in the 1980s when Reagan implemented Supply Side Economics. Then, NAFTA (Bush, Sr., Mulroney and Salinas’s baby) put America, Inc., and the wealthy in the driver’s seat (who knows best how to make money than the rich; give ‘em a tax break up front and watch ‘em go!).
    Marginal tax rates went from 71% to 28% (See marginal rates during the 50s & 60s; the BOOM years). Back then, to get a tax break our nation’s vast wealth was INVESTED in the best game on Wall Street, namely USA corporations’ stocks, USA R&D, USA Pharma., USA entrepreneurs, USA Bonds, USA University and Education Funds, USA Parks, NASA, philanthropy, etc. Now, in just 17 years of NAFTA, and 12 years after China joined the WTO with MFN status, the nation’s money is drying up and we’re turning on each other like shrews. Wait until the upcoming TPP (Trans Pacific Partnership), some have called “NAFTA on steroids” comes up for a vote!

    Now, instead of our vast wealth being invested mostly in USA stocks, etc., our brokers have become dependent (an addictive analogy) on China derivatives and the “multinationals” who exploit sweatshop labor on foreign soil.

    BIG $$$ has many convinced that there is an attempt to “redistribute” wealth from the rich to the poor (socialism), but I contest that our national wealth is being redistributed away from the vast middle class and consolidated at the top (Plutocracy or Oligarchy). The middle class 300 million strong once drove our economy, clearing retail shelves which cranked up production in our first rate manufacturing sector, and filled the local, State, and Federal Treasuries instead of being a drain on them. Now any uptick in retail sales only benefits Communist China and America Inc. As the money disappears from the general fount exclusively into the deep pockets of our globetrotting “globalists” or “multinationals” and redistributed to nations who exploit their labor forces, like Red China, I predict this mess will get a lot uglier!

    But as long as their lackeys in political office they’ve bought and paid for (on both sides of the isle), and online cites like this one can subterfuge and deceive the populous for them by blaming Obama, and shaking the hornets’ nest of social issues, including but not limited to race, reproductive rights, gun rights, and the divisive tactic of “us vs. them,” they’ll be able to, like a type of sleight of hand, hoodwink the masses into voting for their own demise.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/deindustrialization-factory-closing-2010-9?op=1

    http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/statistics/historical/

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPKKQnijnsM

    • Nomad

      You left out Bill Clinton.

      • Matforce

        Perot was right, “When all you care about is makin’ money, there’ll be a giant suckin’ sound headin’ south,” Bush and Clinton were wrong. But the bill was written by Bush Sr. and returned to the USA for ratification by Congress and didn’t come up for a vote until Clinton was in office. He had to exhaust a tremendous amount of clout and political maneuvering to convince a democratic caucus that usually votes for labor, to sign on… It was a MISTAKE!

        • Nadzieja Batki

          But you believed Perot when he was talking and making money at the same time. Perot isn’t as bright as he thinks he is because at a certain point he forgot to think things through to all their possible conclusions.

        • Nadzieja Batki

          But you believed Perot when he was talking and making money at the same time. Perot isn’t as bright as he thinks he is because at a certain point he forgot to think things through to all their possible conclusions.

          • hungry4food

            Isolation of the USA and it be its own providing society of vital needs is the only cure for true supply abundance at this point .

            The USA has PLENTY of Resources and Renewable Food Resources if it only is trying to supply its Own Society and if we went back to making all the various parts that go into the Processing of these vital needs that we would have full employment instead of Importing all these parts from other countries that has us out of balance .

            Its when the USA tries to tie its Resources and Food supply to the Way this One World Market is set up today that Supply is Sucked down to a Higher demand than supply can provide scenario that is causing supply shortage and inflation in the key areas when consumer income is spent food and energy which is not calculated in CPI data .

            This is all tied to a World Population size that is out of whack with FUTURE supply production , And its NOT the USA Overpopulated in relation to its Sovereign supply . So why should we give up our Sovereign RIGHTS and be STUCK in a GLOBAL One World Market Squeeze that is raping the USA of its Sovereign ability to provide its LEGAL Citizenry with Vital Needs and if any of these supplies are left over after being Produced by the Society are THEN Traded to other Countries that agree to a balanced Trade Policy that would STOP THE GIANT SUCKING SOUND THAT ROSS PEROT TALKED ABOUT ????

          • Matforce

            Finally, a voice of reason

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Hardly. Isolationism is a path to sure economic decline.

            When people trade freely, the division of labor is fully exploited. That is, people do what they do best and trade for those products which other people have produced by doing what they do best. The productivity is maximized under Free Trade. So we all have more. Unfortunately Government is typically the enemy of Free Trade and they have been throughout written history. Governments are primarily composed of Leaders who work hand-in-hand with their Crony Capitalists to benefit each other at the expense of everybody else.
            http://wiki.mises.org/wiki/Free_Trade
            http://wiki.mises.org/wiki/Division_of_labor#Division_of_Labor
            http://wiki.mises.org/wiki/Comparative_advantage

          • hungry4food

            Yeah BUT what you said is the result of the Greed between the Ideological International Elitists Alliance , thats the CRONY you just explained so we need to Divide them with Isolation and then we can Conquer their Crony Design !!!!!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            No, hungry, what we need to do is treat the disease — That is Crony Capitalism — NOT the symptoms. Since Governments historically were created by ruthless men seeking advantage over the rest of the people, and since Government has traditionally been used to feather the nests of the Leaders and their Crony Capitalists, the only plausible way to address the issue is to shrink the size of Government dramatically and to get them completely out of our Marketplaces so they can no longer protect and favor their Crony Capitalists with myriad gimmicks such as regulations, subsidies, price-controls, quotas, tariffs, and embargoes.

          • hungry4food

            Dave until you address the different valued currencies all trading in the same markets that trade is you will never solve the effects of Greshams Law and the Devaluing thats going on now in the higher valued currency countries that were using credit as a Offset up to the 2008 Private credit collapse !!!!!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Hungry, countries who practice unfree trade only hurt their own citizens to the benefit of their Crony Capitalists.
            Perhaps you could explain to the readers how Gresham’s Law harms a country that practices Free Trade (which of course also includes having Sound Money).
            From the late-great Murray Rothbard:
            http://mises.org/daily/4728/The-Monetary-Breakdown-of-the-West

          • hungry4food

            True Currency Value is backed up by a Supply that sustains population size . Gold has No Human Survival Value because you cannot EAT GOLD .

            Today the elites are reading that in the next 30 years we will see epic food shortages due to 2 things 80 -100 million people being added to the World population every year and Fresh water supply to drink and grow crops all has a 10 Billion people food supply limit under current production systems .

            The powers that be are perverting the free markets with cronyism to allow the consolidation of resources , production and distribution of these resources so the collaboration between Governments and these multi nationalists that control these resources and productions systems will be able to be Conned into agreeing to work with the Governments because of this Ideology to slowly create the fundamental Shift in world economics and consumption to a Zero Growth system .

            Dave you can Preach all day with your Mises stuff but the people who control the Money and Production of Peoples needs are running towards this Goal of ZERO Growth .

            Read and watch this , its by one of the Technocrats that RULE through advisory roles to Governments worldwide and these Governments are Listening to these guys NOT Murray Rothbard or anything MISES is saying at this Point . Now if we were not in questions with a Sustainable supply future for a Unfettered Population growth then the teachings of MISES could apply .

            Readers take Note here and like this Technocrat says get Ready for the ” Great Disruption ” !!!

            http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/08/opinion/gilding-earth-limits/index.html

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Hungry says — “Gold has No Human Survival Value because you cannot EAT GOLD”.
            Can you eat unbacked fiat paper dollars?
            What would people choose if they were free to do so, Gold or unbacked paper dollars?
            Why must Government Force fiat dollars on the people, if they are desirable?
            Hungry, you are just an unwitting tool of the very same people who you claim to dislike.

            Hungry says — “its by one of the Technocrats that RULE through advisory roles to Governments worldwide and these Governments are Listening to these guys NOT Murray Rothbard or anything MISES is saying at this Point”.
            Duh. Of course the Leaders aren’t listening to Murray Rothbard or Ludwig Von Mises. Why would they want to give up their Power and Perks to be considerate to their subjects?
            Read this, Hungry, and become less of a tool:
            http://mises.org/books/whathasgovernmentdone.pdf

          • hungry4food

            DAVE Go ahead and choose Gold you fool you still cannot EAT that Either !!!!!
            And you did not address the supply shortage thats coming either you just blow right over the Obvious and suggest to the readers that Oh its Nothing but a Cronyism that is in the way of the right thing that needs to be done and thats just not true at all Dave . Quit Misleading the readers and get to addressing the REALISM of whats driving the dysfunctional Governments AROUND THE WORLD , its not just here in the USA !!!!!!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            There is no supply shortage of natural money, ignoramus. You would know that if you did any studying and thinking at all.
            I notice, Hungry, that you never did answer my question about Gresham’s Law. Caught you trying to look intelligent by using buzz words which you really don’t understand, didn’t I?
            Here’s another book that people who want to learn should read:
            http://mises.org/books/moneyproduction.pdf

          • hungry4food

            Dave you are talking about paper money supply as the ONLY thing needed to survive on when the paper money supply only can be sustained and expand ” IF ” Durable Production of Resources that sustain Human Life is expanding with the rate of population Growth on EARTH , this is what is driving the volatility and Cronyism that is corruption the economic system .

            Greshams Law is the result of a Free Trading of Different valued currencies trading in the same markets the lower valued currency will always attract the higher valued currency to invest and produce durable supply in the lower valued currency country like we have seen with the out sourcing of Higher valued western nations durable production to Asian nations . Without tariffs to sustain a Currency valued based off DOMESTIC cost of Production the Sovereignty of Domestic Production and the value based in the Sovereign nations currency will devalue to the lower valued currency as the Capital flows towards that country to seek the Currency SWAP , Dave LIKE WE HAVE SEEN the MULTI NATIONALS DO OVER THESE PAST 18 YEARS of the WTO FREE TRADE AGREEMENT thats allowed the Consolidation of Resources and Durable Production into ASIA while the Capital Consolidation from this Wealth Accumulation into Foreign Off Shore holding from the Developed Nations .

            The Multi-Nationals have Just sat in the Middle of this Free Trade Policy and basically have capitalized on a Simple Currency swap while Merging and consolidating existing supply !!!

            The problem here is while these last 20 years of out sourcing took place we saw these nations manipulate their currency value to stay low while the rate of GDP growth continued to rise with the relocation of durable production came from the Developed nations leaving the USA and EU with Less and less Independent Supply production capability and more DEPENDENT on their GOVERNMENTS This is what we have today to go with a Lagging FOOD Production supply EXPANSION and the Collapse from this Stagnate GROWTH is whats being Prepared for by GOV agencies like we saw DHS buying AMMO !!!

            READERS DO NOT PAY ANY ATTENTION TO WHAT DAVE HAS TO SAY ABOUT THE STATE OF THE ECONOMY AND HOW IT SHOULD BE FIXED BECAUSE HE WILL NOT ADDRESS THE FUNDAMENTALS OF SUPPLY SHORTAGES BEING COVERED UP WITH THE FEDERAL RESERVES ACTIONS WE SEE PROPPING UP THE MARKETS TODAY !!!!!!!!!!
            IF WE HAD TRUE SUPPLY EXPANSION THE EXPANSION OF CAPITAL WOULD BE BALANCED WITH A INCOME FLOW COMING FROM THE PRIVATE SECTOR DOING THE BUYING OF THE SAME SO CALLED ASSETS THAT THE FEDERAL RESERVE IS AND THESE LEVERAGED POSITIONS WOULD BE ” CONVERTIBLE ” WITH A MATURITY DATE , this is where the rubber meets the road in terms of REAL Economics Dave !!!!!!

          • hungry4food

            POPULATION CONTROL WORLDWIDE is the GOAL of the Governments and the Simple little Minds who suggest that this is all just a Minor Corruption of the paper money markets has their Head in the Sand !!!

            Notice that the subject of Abortion is spreading around the world ,

            http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/07/12/19430914-ireland-set-to-allow-abortion-for-first-time-under-historic-new-law?lite=

            , and along with the way Obamacare cuts treatment to the elderly they can shorten the start and end of life and ZERO growth is accomplished , and this leaves the FREE Market and Money that represents it Useless when the collapse of the value of this ZERO Growth Phenomenon is REALIZED , and this will come as soon as enough GDP Quarters are recorded at a stagnate growth evolve and the current Federal account Deficit is seen and unserviceable by the International Bond Holders and they leave the dollar .

            Watch this Video and see how this Plays out ,

            http://www.familysurvivalkit.org/new/tgs/index_3.php?aff_id=7703&subid=nmmB06022013fsc

          • Jeff

            The world is a more complicated place than your economic theories allow for. Free trade is a fine goal, but it won’t work in every situation. Governments are not there to serve the interests of global capital; they exist to serve their people. If a country has an industry it wants to protect, you are not going to convince them to permit outside forces to kill off the domestic industry by showing them an Economics 1A textbook. For years, we benefitted from “free trade” and it was other countries that had industries that needed protection. We now have factories sitting idle because manufacturing can be done more cheaply abroad. That does not mean we have to sit idly by and watch the jobs go overseas. There are measures that can be taken that are consistent with the principles of free trade while not actively promoting it.
            Not everything that doesn’t promote free trade is nece3ssarily “protectionist” any more than having a mixed economy makes you a socialist economy.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You’re complicated, Jeff, but then that’s how untalented people prefer things. The more intelligent people know that the KISS principle is usually the most effective.
            The rest of your comment bears no response because it is just conjectural nonsense. Free Trade indeed doesn’t work for those who seek Special Privilege at everybody else’s expense. I suspect that includes you, Jeff, but don’t bother defending yourself as you have no credibility so I wouldn’t believe you anyway.

          • Jeff

            CB:
            For every complex problem, you and Mises have a solution that is simple, easily understandable, and WRONG!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Feel Free to point out those “WRONG” statements and give a robust counter argument if you can, Jeff. I won’t hold my breath for that one, ignoramus.

          • WTS/JAY

            For every simple problem, you and your Fascist-dictator in the oval, have a solution that is idiotic, incomprehensible, and STUPID!

          • Jeff

            Are you still in 3rd grade or did your grandson write that? Just keep parroting what others say even if in reverse it makes no sense whatsoever. It still sounds good on the playground.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Isolationism would have worked in the US if each State would work as a Individual entity and producing things that are peculiar and specialized to each individual State and then there could be trade between each State for goods needed. The nation would survive and prosper.
            But since we don’t have an industrial base in each State we are stuck and Isolation will no longer work. We have become a Global Economy.

          • Bill

            Nad,
            Perot was a man of character. In the Iranian revolution, his employees were kidnapped by the Islamists. Instead of waiting for Jimmy Carter to get his finger out of his …., He hired a mercenary army and got his employees back.
            When he went into politics, he did not realize what a dirty game it is. Instead of subjecting his family to the lies of politics, he bowed out. He is a good man

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Even good men can be the biggest Fools.

          • Bill

            You mean like Romney and all of the other fools that we are being presented with to fight the socialists

        • hungry4food

          Matforce the WTO free trade agreement was a Plan to De-industrialize and render the US Population Dependent on Government for a Reason by the globalists who wanted to kill the Number 1 Capitalist nation and stop the spread of Free Enterprise which these guys are convinced is the cause of Earths ECO destruction and number 1 enabling fundamental in allowing free people to overpopulate the earth further causing ECO destruction !!!

          Here is the Number 1 EnviroMarxist in the world leading this charge , http://cnsnews.com/node/75388

          • Matforce

            Good article, hungry! This may not be the only entity chipping away at the USA. Something else has crossed my mind concerning this economic treason, but the mention of it places you on the lunatic fringe (along with DaveH).

            Have you looked into the history of the World Bank and the IMF? If the IMF gets just a stipend of a fraction of one red cent for their role as currency intermediary for international transactions, imagine the $$$ involved. What is their connection to the Trilateral Commission, the Bilderbergers, and the Fed? (Anybody need a parachute?)

            Which nation on earth has the largest economy and can afford almost unfathomable fleecing through the vehicle of international trade?

            Plus, the introduction of a strident, renegade, free, affluent nation like ours to some humility would make her easier to control…

          • hungry4food

            Matforce have you listened to this ?????

            WORLD BANK EXPOSED!!! WHISTLEBLOWER Former Senior Counsel Karen Hudes TELL
            IT ALL!!!

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6mhwW69JZA

            Whistleblower Karen Hudes [Pt.1] Corruption / World Bank Exposed

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWBogcrFGx4

            She goes on to say AG Holder is to blame for a lot of this Not getting
            exposure to the people to be Informed Citizens .

            She says this at the end of the video at frame : 7:45

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7E9SUwlooE

          • Matforce

            Hungry, it’s worse than I thought! Have any of the rest of you guys posting on here looked at these clips? The implications are staggering.

            One of the things she said gave me pause: She stated:

            “There are 43,000 “trans-national corporations,” “Super-entities” all merged together in collusion, a conglomerate that own 40% of the net worth of the companies that are publicly traded, they have (glommed) onto 60% of the earnings on the capital market… and these big boys control all of the media…”

          • hungry4food

            Its all about Consolidating the Resources , production and distribution of all consumables in the effort to slow and eventually ZERO Out GROWTH .

            The Elites are all working together and have been for Decades to come to this Point of Control … Population Control !!!!!!!

          • hungry4food

            Remember who said this ; ” “Control oil and you control nations; control food and you control the people.”

            The Elite are all in it together and Their ROOTS of Worldwide POPULATION CONTROL is through the SEEDS of Destruction …. http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/11853

          • hungry4food

            If there were no Supply Shortages on the Horizon then we would not see a stagnate GDP in the world at 2 or less % , and deficit spending running the crony Fascist that are now what makes up the World Governments . The past events of Communism , Fascism , and tyranny are always over supply shortages and the society revolting over that !!!!

            Check these links out and see how they stack up and the history that is now predicting its Repeating because the world has 5 billion more people on it now than when half on this list of enemies where engaged in oppressive actions against a society that was short on supply then and were committing genocide to alleviate the supply shortage crisis !!! …. http://reason.com/archives/2013/07/10/45-enemies-of-freedom

            So get ready with some supply, put in a garden in your back yard , do a green house too so you can have a year around supply ,

            http://readynutrition.com/resources/the-unprepared-population-a-statistic-you-dont-want-to-be-a-part-of_11072013/

        • Jeff

          What I didn’t like about NAFTA was Clinton talked about “side agreements” concerning environmental and worker safety standards. Those standards should have been the essence of the agreement. Even though Clinton pushed NAFTA through, it was always a Republican deal. Most of the votes for it came from the Republicans.

          • Matforce

            History if a hard thing to undo. You’re right on all counts in your previous post, Jeff.

            The USA could do a lot of good for the living conditions for people all over the world if we used our consumer market like the Ace in the hole that it is. If a nation wishes to gain access to our market to sell their goods they should have to meet certain criteria, including a similar pay scale, similar human rights, and safety and environmental regulations. Those nations that wish to empire build on the backs of their exploited sweatshops would be taxed or denied access altogether.

          • Jeff

            I think you’re on the right track. Some of that might be difficult to implement, but I think they’re worthy goals. Of course, you’ll encounter resistance from the denizens of these blogs like the incomprehensibly idiotic Jay.

          • WTS/JAY

            Hey there, nazi-boy. Refer to my above post…lol!

          • WTS/JAY

            You and Jeff are both a couple of Fascist-kooks!

            You said: “If a nation wishes to gain access to our market to sell their goods they should have to meet certain criteria, including a similar pay scale, similar human rights, and safety and environmental regulations”.

            Are you making an attempt at humour?

            What makes you think that any nation would wish to trade with a country that is run by a Fascist-dictator with an imperialistic foreign-policy agenda?

            They would have to meet a certain criteria? and by that you mean; (our) standards, right? Uhmm, in case you two bright-bulbs haven’t noticed, our standards are viewed as reprehensible by most of the world, and since 2009, we have been the laughing stock!

            Boy, you two must be drinking some serious amount of kool-aid to come up with that line of non-thinking! Yikes!!!

          • Bob666

            Oh Spin-master Jay,
            When you don’t agree with them-start calling them names.

          • WTS/JAY

            If it looks, walks, and sounds like a duck…!

          • Matforce

            Jeff, I remember NAFTA’s passage, and all of what you say is true. I also agree with your allusion to requirements to adhere to worker and environmental standards for the agreement to be a binding one. The original dialogue included the inclusion of the enforcement of human rights as part of the FTAs, but that went by the wayside.
            The USA could do a lot of good in the world if she used her premier consumer market like the asset it is. For a nation to gain access to our market to sell their goods here, we could require that their human rights, including pay scale, benefits, worker safety regulations, minimum wage, and so on were set to a certain standard comparable with ours.
            Nations that exploit their sweatshop workforces and violate their population’s human rights and disregard environmental protection measures would be tariffed or assessed a taxed in proportion to their violations, or be denied access altogether.
            Why capitulate to downward pressure on wages and adopt a deconstructionist approach toward our own nation? We have one of the most advanced and sophisticated nations in the world. Level the playing field and see what happens.
            The USA has the capacity to become an industrial giant once again if we demand there be a level playing field. The only advantage China, et.al has over us is their sweatshop labor force that our “multinationals” are lining up to exploit, and the result has been that China has caught up to the economy of the mighty USA in a mere 12 years! We’ve GIVEN them our trade secrets, manufacturing methods, and patents, and what we haven’t given them, they’ve either reverse engineered or hacked in and stolen.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        Matforce says — “Marginal tax rates went from 71% to 28% (See marginal rates during the 50s & 60s; the BOOM years)”.
        Unbelievable. A Progressive is trying to convince the readers that tax rates are the problem. In fact, as Bob has tried to explain many times, the Federal Government doesn’t even need our tax money to exist. They could simply borrow from the Federal Reserve (which they do prolifically) and Spend. As the saying goes — “It’s not the Taxes, it’s the Spending, Stupid”.
        Government Spending in 1950 was 24% of the GDP. In 2012 Government Spending was 40% of the GDP. That’s a 67% increase in the size of Government. And the Progressives conveniently ignore that major factor while they whine about our economy declining. And much of that money spent by Government is used to throw hurdles (regulations) up in front of honest business people. Is it any wonder our businesses are failing and moving elsewhere?
        http://www.scribd.com/doc/144210931/Wayne-Crews-Ten-Thousand-Commandments-An-Annual-Snapshot-of-the-Federal-Regulatory-State-2013

  • Motov

    I simply switched “occupations” about ten years ago when I was told I had P.D.

    I immediately applied for SSD and got into the NIH, where I became a “Lab Rat” for P.D. (Parkinson’s Disease). It was fun at first, all those free plane rides,

    experimental drugs, I quickly learned the TSA are morons, as they effectively took all the fun out of flying, so now I do whatever I want to, whenever I want to, and get paid for doing that. You also learn very quickly that SSD is designed to keep you in poverty forcing you to use food stamps and keep you dependent on government. I was once a factory worker who used to pull 60 hour weeks just to get a tad ahead of my bills, Why worry now?

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Sorry to hear about your affliction, Motov.

      • Jeff

        But you’re not so sorry that you’d admit the Government is keeping him alive. First thing a Libertarian in power would do is get rid of “wasteful” programs like Social Security.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          No matter how fallacious your argument is, Jeff, you will use every opportunity to dis me, won’t you?
          I certainly would end Social Security. Throwing good money after bad rarely works. But I would also liquidate all Government assets and put them in a fund for those who have already been forced into the system against their will.
          No man has a right to Force his version of security on another unwilling man (or woman). I realize that you immoral Liberal Progressives don’t understand that concept, but then you guys don’t understand much.

          • Jeff

            Don’t tell me. Tell Motov to get his nose out of the trough and stop spending your MONEY on worthless things like food and medicine. Don’t sugar coat it, Dave. I’m not trying to “dis” you, Dave. I’m trying to wake you up. The Social Darwinist ideas you continually spew don’t make for much of a society. If that’s how you want to live, go find an island somewhere.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I am fully awake, Jeff. It is you who is either heavily sedated or feeding at the trough in such a way as to induce you to sell your soul to the devil.
            You’re really pulling out your bag of manipulative tricks, Jeff. You must be getting desperate after all those thumbs down you get.
            Motov is just taking what is offered to him. If you don’t think it’s right then stop offering it to him, and stop helping yourself to his and other peoples’ money against their will.
            Jeff says — “If that’s how you want to live, go find an island somewhere”.
            No thanks, Jeff. I prefer to stay here waking people up to reality. Maybe after enough have awakened, they will get together and put you thieving Liberal Progressives where you belong — in Jail.

          • Jeff

            I think I was wrong. Calling you a Creepy Bastard is a gross understatement. Motov is entitled to his disability payments because we, as a civilized society, decided that people who get sick and cannot work are entitled to live. You and Mises and Ayn Rand are completely full of it. You want to live in a society that doesn’t take care of the old and the sick? I don’t think you’d like the choices.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Jeff says — “You want to live in a society that doesn’t take care of the old and the sick?”.
            Actually Jeff, the people who think like me are very generous with our own money. It’s the thieving part, which you Liberal Progressives advocate, that we don’t condone. Liberal Progressives are very generous with other peoples’ money. How noble.
            But casting morality aside (you’re good at that), the reality is that without Free Markets (Capitalism) you Liberal Progressives would have nobody to parasitize and there would be many more suffering people as evidenced by every country which has fully implemented Socialism. Either your heart’s not in the right place, or you’re just plain Dumb and Dumber, Jeff.

            I think I heard the recess bell, Jeff. Time to go in and get your diaper changed.

          • Jeff

            “You’re really pulling out your bag of manipulative tricks, Jeff. You must be getting desperate after all those thumbs down you get.”
            Do you really think it matters to me if the denizens of these right wing blogs disagree with me? I’ve studied these issues for decades, and I know what I believe. That you or some of your less articulate confederates call me names is hardly going to change my thinking.
            I’ve sold my soul to the Devil? I thought that you, like Ayn Rand, didn’t believe in such superstitious nonsense. If you believe in any religion, it is hard to believe it would teach the kind of selfish garbage you regularly spew on these blogs. You perfectly embody the spirit of the Republicans: “I’ve got mine. Screw you.”
            As for sending all who disagree with you to jail, I don’t know, Dave. That costs MONEY, particularly if you follow the 8th Amendment. I know how much you guys love private prisons, but they still cost MONEY. I imagine your prisons, like your economic theories, would be straight out of the Middle Ages. Can you spell “Spanish Inquisition”?

          • WTS/JAY

            A little too early for cocktail, don’t you think?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Jeff says — “That you or some of your less articulate confederates call me names is hardly going to change my thinking”.
            That’s pretty funny coming from a name-calling Liberal Progressive. Do you think the readers are dumb, Jeff? All they need do is read some of your typical inane comments. And apparently many do, judging from the high number of thumbs down you get.
            Case in point, your below comment (“I think I was wrong”).

          • Jeff

            Judging by the posts, some are quite dumb. Others are just hopelessly right wing. On these blogs, I’m surprised when anyone agrees with me. This blog is like Plato’s cave. I bring news of the outside world to the cave-dwellers and they hate me for it. That’s fine. The outside world exists, and in that outside world, if someone compares Obama to Hitler or suggests we should abolish social security, he’s looked at like the crazy person he is.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            cave-dwellers? Compared to them, Jeff, you’re a gopher.
            Anybody with half-a-brain knows that Social Security is a failure. I guess that leaves you out, Jeff.
            Imagine the gall of Liberal Progressives to Force people to contribute to a fund and then spend that fund to empty, replacing it with IOUs? SS is already bankrupt. It’s a Ponzi Scheme, and the fact that you stick up for it, Jeff, just furthers the evidence that you have no morality or intelligence.
            http://mises.org/daily/5658/Is-Social-Security-a-Ponzi-Scheme

          • Jeff

            A failure? A program that has allowed generations of older Americans to retire with some measure of dignity is a failure? Funny how every civilized country in the world has a similar program and takes care of the sick and the old. I guess you’d prefer someplace like the Sudan where market forces alone dictate who lives and who dies.

  • jdn

    I have said this before and don’t mind saying it again . The productive portion should take a lesson from the unions and go on strike . Wouldn’t a month off feel good . The only way to get the real attention of the political class is to cut off their money .

    • Matforce

      I agree, but as divided as we are today, that would only give more ammunition for the offshoring of more jobs by the “job creators” and half of those from the middle class that would be the benefactors of such a gutsy move, would rise up in condemnation of it.

      What would work is either purchase only Made In USA, or insist that our Government does what the Germans do. They impose a 19% tariff on imports to protect their manufacturing sector from the effects of the sweatshop workforces in a global economy. They also assess a VAT (Value Added Tax) on imports depending on how much of a product is manufactured/assembled outside Germany without so much as a raised eyebrow from the WTO, of which they are a member. (Example: China tried to dump cheap bikes in German borders. Germany slapped a 48.5% tariff on them). This is done to keep their highly Unionized workforce from the necessity of capitulating to the downward pressure on wages exerted from the global workforces and to keep wages high and their consumer capital flowing within their market. We don’t do that here. Why? Because that would upset America, Inc. and make them really mad at the elected officials they’ve bought and paid for…

      Finding Made in USA is tough especially when you consider the tricks our “multinationals” pull to fool us. See articles:

      http://www.nytimes.com/1993/07/18/world/made-usa-hard-labor-pacific-island-special-report-saipan-sweatshops-are-no.html?ref=northernmarianaislands

      http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/09/business/worldbusiness/09saipan.html?ref=northernmarianaislands&_r=1&

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        Buying only American or putting tariffs or other burdens on foreign goods only hurts the average American citizen. As the imported goods are diminished, the American goods would increase in price and most people would be able to afford many fewer goods and services.
        Well-meaning but ignorant people have already tried Protectionism over 80 years ago. It resulted in an unnecessarily long world-wide depression (the Great Depression) and a second world war.
        Getting your advice from the New York Times — the Propaganda Arm of Crony Capitalists — is your first mistake, Matforce.
        http://archive.mises.org/21207/trade-creates-wealth-protectionism-destroys-it/

      • Bill

        Matforce,
        You are looking at the wrong end of the horse. The reason that jobs are outsourced is because of the high taxes and costly regulations. It is either outsource to a more business friendly area or close the doors. If you want to encourage consumers to buy American made products, you need to create a business climate that allows a business to make a profit. It is called free enterprise

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Yep. The Socialism has reached the point where it is killing the Capitalism Host on which it is a parasite.

          • Bill

            Good Analogy, Dave

          • Nadzieja Batki

            The thing is,upon killing the host the parasite dies as well so as long as the host is alive the parasite will survive but not necessarily thrive. Parasites will adjust to minimum life in the host.

          • Jeff

            Baloney. We’re more socialistic than in the past? Why? Because a Democrat is President? Taxes were much higher in the 50s and 60s. If Obama’s a socialist, was Ike a Communist?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Taxes were higher? Which taxes, Jeff?
            The usual Liberal Progressive Equivocation, eh Jeff?
            In 1950 Government spent 24% of our GDP.
            In 2012 Government spent 40% of our GDP.
            http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/spending_chart_1900_2013USb_13s1li011tcn_F1t
            Sure sounds like more Socialism to me.

          • WTS/JAY

            Obama is a Fascist, dumbbell!

        • Jeff

          Nonsense. Many large companies pay no corporate income tax at all. Nobody pays the nominal 35%. The average is closer to 10%. Companies outsource because of cheaper labor and a lack of environmental and worker safety regulations. If we turned ourselves into Bangla Desh, fewer companies would outsource jobs. I don’t think that’s what anyone desires.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Unfortunately, cutting off their money won’t work as they will just borrow more from the Federal Reserve and keep on trucking. But striking might indeed work as that would be cutting off the real wealth — goods and services produced by the private sector. As shortages loom, people would have no choice but to awake to reality.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Except for a little minor glitch, all the jobs will be filled before you were out the door. The unions and companies would quickly find ways around their bylaws to hire legals or illegals.

      • jdn

        Sorry I was not talking about the workers . I was referring to the owners . Close the doors and nobody works .

  • vietnamvet1971

    You mean the “Savior” will not have enough money (TAX MONEY) to spend /WASTE to Ruin the USA after all he has had almost 5 years and spent like Crazy, but no problem just trust and believe he has our best interest at heart…. snicker, snicker…… Laugh, Laugh the Liberal Con Game is not working.

    • Doc Sarvis

      Well, the economy is not in a free fall and is slowly recovering. We are getting out of two wars. We have improved our nation’s standing in the world. Not bad considering where we were in 2008.

      • rendarsmith

        We’re getting out of wars? We’re starting more! Look up Syria or Africom! Why are so many people on food stamps if the economy is recovering? Get your facts straight!

        • Doc Sarvis

          43% of those on Food Stamps are veterans which we have been flushing into the economy since 2003.

          • Don 2

            So you obviously agree Doc, there are no jobs for veterans leaving the military.

          • Doc Sarvis

            Of those out of work or underemployed veterans who are not “broken” by their service, we have the House of Representatives for that.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Doc Sarvis, trying to be more cunning and predacious? Your handlers are desperate.

          • Bob666

            Yo Nads,

            Still Miss Congeniality I see.

          • WTS/JAY

            Yo 666,

            Still a Chauvinist I see.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Jay, “Yo Moron000″ obviously has an identity crisis, but in the same time he has an extraordinary GIFT FOR STUPIDITY. Of cause it’s Satan’s gift.

          • Don 2

            Say what?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Since the number of veterans in the US is about 26 million, and the number of Food Stamp recipients is about 47 million, that would require about 80% of the veterans to be on Food Stamps. Somehow, I doubt that.
            Do you have any evidence to back up your conjecture, Doc?

        • Jeff

          No one is advocating that we invade Syria. Many (most?) of the people on food stamps are working – or their parents are. We’ve outsourced so many decent-paying jobs that many people working are in low-wage service positions. Food stamps are a good investment as they help many working parents feed their kids. We all have an investment in the next generation being well nourished. If a young child doesn’t get proper nutrition, he may never catch up with his peers. And food stamps pay people extremely little compared to what the average American spends on groceries.

          • Don 2

            If we all have an investment in the next generation being well nourished, then somebody better get Moochelle Obama, self-proclaimed nutrition expert, out of the school lunch programs, because these children hate what is being offered so much that they are refusing to eat lunch.

          • Jeff

            Really? Perhaps a few vegetables would do you some good. Let’s feed the kids Twinkies and Coke because it’s how Don grew up and Lord knows, we need more name-calling morons in the world.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            That’s classic. Jeff whines about name-calling. You have no credibility on this board, Jeff. That’s why you influence few if any readers and get all those thumbs down.

          • Don 2

            Name calling? Jeff, you thought using “Moochelle” was name calling? Aren’t you just Moochells’s ‘Little White Night.’ How cute!
            Pay attention Peanut Brain(that’s name calling), you can’t make this stuff up!

            We’re Hungry! Students Revolt over Michelle Obama’s 850-Calorie School Meals With Online Video as First Lady Faces Growing Anger.

            http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2208206/Students-revolt-Michelle-Obamas-850-calorie-school-meals-We-Are-Hungry-YouTube-video.html

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Jeff says — “No one is advocating that we invade Syria”.
            Really?
            http://www.infowars.com/is-obama-starting-a-war-with-syria-just-to-distract-us-from-all-the-scandals/

          • Jeff

            Your article notwithstanding, I don’t think anyone in a position of power or responsibility is advocating an invasion of Syria a la Iraq. Even John McCain, who has rarely met a war he didn’t want to get into, isn’t advocating sending U.S. soldiers.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Yada, Yada, Yada.

        • WTS/JAY

          FOOD STAMPS & OBAMACARE FIT TOGETHER LIKE A BIG GULP & OBESITY

          Big agri-business, big banks and big bloated government are all colluding to keep the food stamp program growing to greater and greater heights – and weights. If the American taxpayer is going to pay $72 billion per year for the poor to get food stamps, is it reasonable to require they are used for food like milk, bread, cheese, meat, vegetables, fruit, etc?

          Should the American taxpayer be subsidizing the purchase of grape soda, cheetos, Ben & Jerry’s Cherry Garcia ice cream, and Snickers bars?

          Isn’t the purpose of food stamps to keep poor people from starving?

          Isn’t it great that processed food companies like Kraft can team up with anti-hunger groups to “lobby” (buy off) Congress to keep the dollars flowing for crap food sold to the poor at Wal-Mart and other low end stores.

          Meanwhile, JP Morgan sucks off hundreds of millions in fees, while the rest of Wall Street takes their piece of the action at the point of sale transaction.

          The side benefit of subsidizing the purchase of soda and processed crap food is more ignorant fat-azzes getting sick and needing decades of government paid for care in the Obama government healthcare system.

          Paul Krugman is having an orgasm as the $72 billion has all these add on benefits to our economic system. It’s a win win for everyone. I think we need to make food stamps eligible for liquor purchases and drugs.

          Marion Nestle on The (Big) Business of Food Stamps: “Here’s Where the Profits Come in”…

          http://www.theburningplatform.com/?p=36719

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        We are currently in another boom of the boom/bust cycle. It may sound crazy, but the reality is that the economy would be much worse than it appears had it not been for profligate money creation by the Federal Reserve. How does that work? Well, it doesn’t really. It props up mismanaged businesses and wasteful spending at the expense of those with cash savings (as the value of their saved dollars diminishes) and Mom and Pop on fixed incomes. But eventually, as consumer prices inevitably start rising, the Federal Reserve will have to put on the brakes and the next bust will ensue. The next one will be worse than the last one.

        http://mises.org/daily/5938/Seventeen-Years-of-Boom-and-Bust

        • Bill

          You are right, Dave,
          What set the stage for Reagans success with the economy was Volker putting the brakes on the money supply. It caused pain for about two years then Reagans pro business policies created our economic boom of the eighties.
          Before we can go back to a normal economy, they will have to put the brakes on the money supply. But, that will cause more pain than we are experiencing now.
          But no politician will do that while they are in office, so I guess we are doomed

      • Bill

        Doc,
        You probably also believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny

      • Don 2

        What world would that be Doc?

        • WTS/JAY

          That would be; Neverland!

  • Peggy

    He is such a loser with a capitol L.

  • Alan

    Wayne – dont forget that your tax payments also pay the dictator in chief to demonize you. Also you took your boys out shooting, are you out of your mind ? You must be a terrorist as well as a demon.

  • Karolyn

    Well, it’s nice to hear you’re going to actually live your life, Wayne. I’ve heard all too many say that they’ll enjoy life when they retire, only to died prior to or just after retirement (although how many people actually totally retire these days?).

  • nc

    SAY IT AIN’T SO!! WAYNE IS DROPPING OUT!!
    Folks, do you realize that this great(?) American missed being our vice president by only 69,000,000 votes! 0.40% of the vote in 2008.
    Then he jumped to the Republican Party in 2012 and announced his support for Mitt Romney and became his kiss of death also! I think Wayne got a little giddy over his belief(prediction) that Mitt would win in a “landslide”. I can understand why he gave up odds making!
    He says that the Obama economy is his reason for dropping out of “business” and the sheeple here cheer! What is it that keeps you people from acknowledging just where the economy was when bush left office???? Ask the 2.6 million Americans who lost their jobs in 2008! Ask the Americans who saw their savings hit a stump before Obama took the oath!
    DENIAL IS A TREATABLE DISEASE!!

    • Shorty Stuff

      I can see that you’re a typical “it was Bush’s fault” liberal kool-aid drinker. The economy didn’t start slumping until the liberals took over the House of Representatives in 2006, but you still try to blame Bush. Liberals have engineered the downfall of America and you cheer them on, without even realizing you’re going down with them.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        Actually, Bush as well as Obama were to blame. They, like almost all Presidents before them, are marching to the orders of Crony Capitalists who fund their campaigns. Of course, the ultimate Power lies with the Politicians, but they can’t exercise that Power if they’re voted out of office. If they didn’t depend on support from the Crony Capitalists, they would turn on them also — in a heartbeat. That’s why Communism is so attractive to the psychos who strive for Power. With Communism they aren’t so dependent on other peoples’ help to maintain their Power.

        • Matforce

          What are your thoughts about the results of Citizens United?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I know almost nothing about them, Matforce.

            According to their Who-we-are page:
            “Citizens United is an organization dedicated to restoring our government to citizens’ control. Through a combination of education, advocacy, and grass roots organization, Citizens United seeks to reassert the traditional American values of limited government, freedom of enterprise, strong families, and national sovereignty and security. Citizens United’s goal is to restore the founding fathers’ vision of a free nation, guided by the honesty, common sense, and good will of its citizens”.

            It sounds good, but like so many organizations that sound good they may have policies and goals which are contrary to real Freedom. I will have to reserve judgement until I know much more about them.
            The “strong families” goal, for instance, could very well be used for anti-Freedom purposes. If they mean to remove Government impediments to a strong family, that is good, but if they mean Government rules (Force) to promote strong families, that is bad.

          • Matforce

            No, Dave, I mean, Citizens United vs. The Federal Election Commission (2010). You know… money is speech, corporations are people ethos. Pay attention!

          • Jeff

            He’ll have trouble answering that because keeping money out of politics involves Government action which is against his Libertarian religion. It’s a conundrum similar to what a zealous 1st amendment defender faces when defending the free speech rights of someone who, if he gained power, would immediately put an end to free speech. In this case, big money private interests can buy Government, but to prevent that from happening, you have to empower Government to regulate private enterprise.
            His initial answer was clearly a dodge. He had to know you were asking about the Supreme Court decision.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You can read my comment, Jeff, and see clearly that it
            was no trouble at all for me.
            Jeff says — “His initial answer was clearly a dodge. He had to know you were asking about the Supreme Court decision”.
            I did? And just how was that? Have you added mind-reader to your list of false claims for me, Jeff?

          • Jeff

            I know you’re not stupid, Dave. When someone refers to Citizens United, everyone with an IQ above room temperature knows the reference is to the Supreme court decision and not to the organization. A mind reader I don’t need to be.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I don’t know about that, Jeff, but I do know that the majority of readers think your comments are worthless judging by the large number of thumbs down that you get.
            Also, Mr. IQ (yeah I’m joking), I was talking about you expecting me to be a mind reader. You would know that if you had any reading skills.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Pay attention? Did you say any such thing in the comment I responded to, Matforce?
            Of course companies are people. Did you think they were manned by robots?
            If you can’t think for yourself about which candidates are the most desirable, then how is it going to make any difference if we stop companies from donating to the campaigns?

          • Matforce

            I think you’re missing the point. The point I was hoping you would intuit from the original post was concerning the influence of money in politics. God himself, reincarnated, could run for office, but if he doesn’t get financial backing to get his message out through the various media outlets, etc. and his opponent does the typical smear campaign complete with sinister music and prime photo-ops, he’d have to resort to parting the Atlantic to get anyone’s attention.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Correct me if I’m wrong, but weren’t you talking about restricting contributions, Matforce?
            And what keeps you and your kind from contributing all you want to your favored candidates?

          • Matforce

            No, DaveH, I’m talking about buying elections. Who knows where this Super PAC money comes from now… Maybe China to fund more FTAs, or the Muslim Brotherhood to undermine the Infidels.
            Haven’t given this much thought, but seems like there should be a finite fund set aside in the budget to fund elections on an equal basis, or to preserve fairness, a blind trust set up (good luck keeping politicians hands out of that cookie jar) with all of the campaign contributions combined and then divided up equally to the candidates to run their campaigns with caps on how much can be spent. May the best message, best run, and most efficient campaign win…

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Matforce, who do you think would administer those “fair” funds? Public funding would be a failure as are all bureaucratically administered programs.
            By the way, one class of people who very much support campaign finance restrictions are the entrenched Politicians. It takes a lot of advertising to get the typical ignorant voter to vote for an unfamiliar challenger. So the less advertising there is, the more certain that an incumbent will keep his/her seat.
            There is only one real solution, and that is for people to get educated in matters politic. I won’t hold my breath waiting for that event.

            http://archive.mises.org/10646/whats-wrong-with-campaign-finance-regulations/

      • NC

        Shorty, Republicans, not Democrats, had controlled Congress for 12 years before 2006! Republicans , not Democrats, had controlled the White House for 6 years before 2006.

        Have you ever found the guts to ask yourself what caused the Americans to decide that changes needed to be made in 2006? Could it be that people were already beginning to lose their homes? Could it be that businesses were already starting to cut their work force! Could it be that the REPUBLICAN promises that the bush richman tax breaks were going to eliminate debt and deficits by 2010 were going in the OPPOSITE DIRECTION????

        As an adult you don’t think the elections just happened for no reason do you???? WHAT IS YOUR REASON?? MSM??? BE CAREFUL!!!
        ADULTS INDEPENDENTS ARE WATCHING YOUR ANSWER!!!

        Liberals have engineered the downfall of America???????????

        How far from number one in the world have we fallen! What ‘BETTER NATION”” CAN YOU NAME?? DO PLANES OR SHIPS GO THERE????? BON VOYAGE!!!!

        • Motov

          That’s because both parties have been bought by the same people, in reality both parties are on opposite sides of the same coin. They are like pro wrestlers, in front of the world they bicker over any issue, behind the scenes they slowly take apart our constitution, through “compromise”. Both parties serve their masters, It doesn’t matter who wins the election because we get the same crap. If we the voters ignore those who can flood the airwaves with the “Vote for me because my opponent sucks” campaign and go for the guy who cannot flood the media with advertisements. Chances are better that he maybe for the people.
          But people fall for the same lies over and over again.
          We do NOT have to vote for the same two corrupt parties. It is nearly impossible to get the masses to see clearly that both parties are the same, they only differ on the path taken to reach the same destination.

      • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

        The Kenyan FRAUD fooled everyone when he ran as the anti-Bush in 2008.

        But the Gallup tracking poll reveals that NOW Americans view president George W. Bush more favorable that the Kenyan Kommunist.

        President G.W. Bush’s approval/disapproval margin is 49%
        to 46%.

        The Kenyan Krimanal’s approval/disapproval margin is 47%
        to 44%.

        Liberals’ chickens are coming home to roost.

        • mark

          Yeah, but too bad the election’s over, bright bulb. All of those polls don’t amount to a hill of beans now. Obama is president until January 20, 2017. Get used to it. He won and your Wall Street predator lost. Plain and simple. It’s a good idea once in a while to actually live in the world of reality. But don’t try it for too long. I don’t think your little ol’ noggin’ could handle it.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You don’t have the slightest clue what reality is, mark.
            Hint: it is not the position which you occupy in the line for the trough.

          • Jeff

            I notice you left out your usual creepy comment when commiserating with someone who, through no fault of his own, finds himself dependent on “the trough.” Why don’t you revise your “apology” and tell him what you really think?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Please keep posting, Jeff.
            There are millions of people who actually believe that you Liberal Progressives are “compassionate” people. Thanks to your comments on this board, the readers are learning the truth about your feigned “compassion”.

          • Jeff

            You’re the one who wants the old and the sick to die quickly. But I’m sure you’ll apologize to them while you’re kicking them into the street because you’re SO polite. When did you replace Playboy with Dickens for purposes of getting off?

          • WTS/JAY

            Hey nazi-boy, when did you replace Playboy with “Dreams of my Father” for the purposes of….?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Liar, Liar, Pants on Fire. But then, you are a Liberal Progressive, so what else would I expect from you, Jeff? In actuality, the old people are those who you Liberal Progressives have pillaged for decades.

          • hungry4food

            Jeff actually the Obama Science CZAR is the leader of the technocratic society that is calling for Population reduction …..

          • WTS/JAY

            That was funny!

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Debbie says: “It’s a good idea once in a while to actually live in the world of reality.”

            Do you? Do you know WHAT REALITY is?

            Debbie says: “But don’t try it for too long. I don’t think your little ol’ noggin’ could handle it.”

            Your “ittle ol’ noggin'” has to prove your Libtardic Postulation, which is as always STUPID.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Ad Hominem attack. The typical Liberal Progressive idea of “facts”.

      NC says — “Ask the 2.6 million Americans who lost their jobs in 2008!”.
      When Bush took office (disclaimer: I don’t like Bush or Obama) in January of 2001 the number of employed Americans was 132,548,000.
      By January of 2008 (Bush’s last year), the number of employed Americans had risen to 138,056,000.
      By January of 2009 (Bush leaves, Obama takes office) the number of employed had dwindled to 133,631,000. Still that was more than a 1 million job increase during Bush’s 8 years (for whatever that is worth).
      In April of 2013 (latest actual figures) the number of employed was 135,512,000, which is still 2.5 million less than the peak of jobs under Bush.
      Figures don’t lie but liars can figure.

      • Jeff

        And a battleship doesn’t turn on a dime. The trajectory when Obama took office was straight off the cliff (like the coyote chasing the road runner). It took Obama about a year to turn things around, but the damage had been done. Attempting to blame Obama for the job losses during his first year in office, given how bad things were in January 2009, is the height of intellectual dishonesty. Here are some “figures” for you.

        http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https://my.barackobama.com/page/-/Blog%25202012/JobCreation_dec07_dec11_480px.jpg&imgrefurl=http://reasonableconversation.blogspot.com/2012/01/obama-vs-bush-on-job-creation.html&h=352&w=480&sz=95&tbnid=KqmTdBv82c967M:&tbnh=88&tbnw=120&zoom=1&usg=__Q7i_QbPzAbqpP7R2SOa9-Rr5Q98=&docid=BfgOdKk_FNS3ZM&sa=X&ei=qereUcnuJcSEyAGemICoCg&ved=0CDUQ9QEwAg&dur=3154

        • WTS/JAY

          Jeff: It took Obama about a year to turn things around…
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          • TheOriginalDaveH

            The problem is, Jeff, that your disingenuous chart didn’t start at Bush’s first year, and it counts as “job growth” those jobs which came off a bottom that you dismiss as not being Obama’s fault but which in fact did occur under Obama’s Leadership. Talk about equivocation.
            So if I knock you down, then put out my hand to help you back up, I should be praised for positive behavior?

          • Jeff

            The chart shows the turnaround, but it also shows that W’s jobs problem began well before September 2008. I know how much you love spewing invective at your opponents, but I didn’t create the chart. You can talk about W’s wonderful record in 2007, but it doesn’t say anything about the turnaround that occurred in 2009.
            If you want to call me a liar and say all the job losses from January 20, 2009 on are the result of Obama’s policies, by all means, go right ahead. Whatever floats your boat, Dave.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I didn’t say you were lying, Jeff. But you are equivocating by posting a chart that leaves out pertinent information.
            The ironic thing is that I didn’t even like Bush. But I dislike equivocating Liberal Progressives even more.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          I notice that your chart start at December 2007 rather than the beginning of Bush’s first term in 2001.
          That’s disingenuous, Jeff, but why doesn’t that surprise me?
          Also note that the 1.9 million jobs that Obama “created” came at a cost of over $2 Trillion in “stimulus” spending. For the mathematically challenged that was over $1 million per created job. Such a bargain.
          As I said previously — “Figures don’t lie but liars can figure”.

          • WTS/JAY

            And he wonders why he has zero credibility on this site. Go figure!

        • John Myers

          Dear Jeff,
          That is certainly a mixed metaphor. Surprising given your self-proclaimed education. Each Thursday I find what Mr. Root has to say educational. Then again I read it before I judge it.
          Sincerely,
          John Myers

          • Jeff

            I was not responding to Mr. Root but to DaveH as he reliably and creepily attempts to blame Obama for everything imaginable.

          • WTS/JAY

            That’s because obama is in office, Jeff. He’s the man in charge. Therefore, obama is responsible! It’s called taking “responsibility”, something you and your fascist-dictator know nothing about.

          • Jeff

            Fascist dictator? And yet you haven’t been killed or arrested? Nor has your hero Rush Fatbaugh nor any of the Repugs in Congress. How do you figger that one, you dipsh*t moron?

          • Don 2

            Hey Jeff, looks like we found another one of those name-calling morons you were preaching to me about…..and guess what? It’s you. Priceless!

          • WTS/JAY

            A Fascist-dictator need not kill or arrest anyone, Jeff; not necessarily. All a Fascist-dictator need do is take over the means of production, and everything else follows. How, you may ask? By convincing little nazis like you that a government knows whats best for us, and that it should regulate every facet of our lives, and that “empowering” government to the nth degree, as you stated in one of your earlier posts, will keep us safe from the big bad bogey-man, (Capitalism). And so, lemmings such as yourself, who are incapable of standing on your own two feet, scared of every shadow and falling leaf, and scared of responsibility, continue voting for “tyranny”, just so you can feel safe, not have to think for yourselves, and enjoy a free lunch. Isn’t that right, nazi-boy? You lecture us on the Constitution? And yet you support and worship that despicable “abomination” in the White-House who despises said document above all? You, are a despicable parasite and traitor! You, and fascist-termites like you, eat away at the very fabric and life-blood of this country, until there is nothing left, only to move on to the next lush-pastures. History is replete with examples of how the likes of you destroy nations and kingdoms. Parasites, blood-thirsty-vampires; that is what the likes of you and the abomination in the White-House are all about… monsters!

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Jeffry, Did you see what happened in Egypt?
            IT JUST HAPPENED to happen.
            It’s coming, coming here.

            Veritas semper vincit. Laus Deo

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Do you Liberal Progressives have any pride at all? Anybody who reads my comments regularly knows that I don’t mention Obama often in my comments.
            But please, Jeff, keep posting. You are one of my greatest assets on the road to exposing just how morally and intellectually bankrupt Liberal Progressives are.

          • Dave

            One nut finding another nut educational… Shocking revelation.

            Please keep sharing your thoughts to the conservative world. both you and Mr Root. You will aid the conservative movement to its demise because you and Mr “Birther” are on the fringe and when fringe elements like you get events like in Las Vegas and share the stage with with the GOPers you enlighten independents just how out of touch you two and the GOP really are. I hope you enjoy losing national elections because that is where you and Mr Root are taking the conservative movement and that pleases me.

            But I get it Mr Myers… you are angry. Try a better method to work out your anger… like golf.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            The usual ad hominem attack from a manipulative Liberal Progressive. What else? They have no logic or facts to back up their bankrupt policies, so manipulation takes center stage.

    • Don 2

      Ask the 9 million Americans who have dropped out of the work force and given up looking for work Doc?

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        Is Mith talking to himself?
        Ignore that comment. Something is wrong in Wonderland. Software glitch? People changing UserIDs purposely to be cute? Who knows.
        Earlier Don 2 was “Mith something”, and he was talking to “Mith something”.

    • hungry4food

      But the Question now is How can Immigration Reform work when we have this going on in the USA ???? You get this going and a Collapse from supply shortages and Inflation will be what Brings down the Obama Administration , how Stupid can we get ????

      Its logical to say that the Consumer driven market is being Driven by Fed Easing as
      those asset purchases Trickle down through the Government Programs and out into
      these 101 million Consumers right ????

      How can we bring more people into the USA Immediately you
      know the 5-6 to one immigrant that is going to be allowed to bring 5-6 family
      member’s into the USA with this bill and these guys find jobs when we have 101
      MILLION people in the USA already on Government food assistance and more people
      working part time jobs than full time ?

      101M Get Food Aid from Federal Gov’t; Outnumber Full-Time
      Private Sector Workers

      http://cnsnews.com/news/article/101m-get-food-aid-federal-gov-t-outnumber-full-time-private-sector-workers

    • red neck

      The failure of the economy was due to Bill Clinton and his “FREE” housing to the lazy bums like you!

      • NC

        RED NECK, have you ever read(?) about bush’s position on affordable housing for the low income citizens that began even before he was elected! “There is no reason why low income folks can’t live in a nice house’??? Sound familiar??
        “I want to thank Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac for their help with financing for the low income folks ,ESPECIALLY THE ONES WITH BAD CREDIT.” Remember this bush quote almost TWO YEARS AFTER HE TOOK OFFICE??? BTW, those low income loans to those with bad credit that bush was so gladly PUSHING became the most “toxic” LOANS when Republican bankers started bundling them!!
        Then FOUR years after bush, the incompetent, became President, he PUSHED for and SIGNED into law an act that used TAXPAYERS MONEY to make DOWN PAYMENTS ON LOW INCOME home PURCHASES!
        Sounds like somebody missed school that day, red neck!! Were you at the tractor pull or the mud rasslin’?

    • JeffH

      Another fine example of “ya can’t fix stupid” by nc.
      POLLY WANT A CRACKER? baaarrraaaccckkkkk!

  • securityman

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  • de

    so true
    would be funny but it is not anything but sad

  • tncdel

    When is the Tea Party and the GOP going to call for Obama to be PROSECUTED and removed from office? A non-U.S. citizen is NOT constitutionally-entitled to impeachment proceedings.

    Obama’s social security number failed E-Verify. See:

    http://unlawfulpresident.com/obama-fails-e-verify/

    And anyone with enough intelligence to follow the simple instructions of this video can prove to themselves beyond any doubt that the document Obama claims is his birth certificate was amateurishly created using Adobe layering techniques. Please see:

    http://youtu.be/7s9StxsFllY

    • JeffH

      Obama is Under Investigation By the House, Senate & FBI…And, Nothing Will Happen

      ““There are currently investigations underway in the House, the Senate, and at the FBI to gather as much information from the Administration as possible. I am involved with and support these investigations so that we can get all information about those that are responsible in order to hold them accountable. Namely, the President is under the most scrutiny and will have to face the truth of what we know to be fact in the many investigations.”
      – Congressman Kenny Marchant (R-TX), member of the House Committee on Ways and Means and its Subcommittee on Oversight

      If articles of impeachment were to be presented to the House for a vote and, if passed, be sent to the Senate where a 2/3 majority vote would be required to remove Obama from office.(Minutemen News)

      Frankly, unless the Democrats believe they are going to be taken down with Obama that is not likely to happen.

  • Debbie

    Amen, Meet you at the beach.

  • JeffH

    tncdel, don’t depend on the GOP for anything.
    How exactly do you expect the real Tea Party, the grassroots version, to do any more than what they are doing now? They are not a party of the beltway elitists in DC.

    What are you doing? Are you writing and calling your representatives asking them to start impeachment proceedings? Are you actively participating in your local area Tea Party group?
    I’m just asking?

  • Jeff

    I assume you’re talking about the FCC’s Lifeline Assistance benefit. Owing to the fact that people generally need phones to apply for jobs and enroll their children in school, and elderly citizens need to be able to call their families and emergency services, the government decided in the ’80s (under Ronald Reagan, no less) to institute the Lifeline Assistance program. In 1996, Bill Clinton signed the Telecommunications Act into law, which offered either cell phones or landline services to low-income Americans.

    Today, 38 states, one of which is Ohio, participate in the Lifeline program. If you live in one of those locales and your income is at or below 135 percent of the poverty line, or if you qualify for certain benefit programs like Medicaid and TANF, you can apply for a free cell phone that offers you 250 minutes of talk time per month. The people who are getting these phones aren’t getting iPhones or other smartphones; they’re often people in urban or rural areas who are being supplied with basic cell phones so they can call the hospital when they’re sick, or receive calls if there’s a problem with their child at school.

    If you’re upset that Obama is giving “freeloaders” gratis cell phones paid for with your tax money, don’t be. Firstly, Obama had nothing to do with the Lifeline program: the “Obama phone” narrative is a myth that both liberals and conservatives have fallen for since 2009. Secondly, Lifeline isn’t paid for with tax revenues. Rather, Lifeline is funded with a pool of money, called the Universal Service Fund, which is paid for with revenue donations from telecommunications providers. Some of those providers—like Verizon, for instance—pass off that cost to their customers with a Universal Service fee, but the government doesn’t mandate that the money come from citizens, meaning it’s technically not a tax.

    It is sort of sad that you have no idea what you’re talking about but will jump at any chance to “blame” Obama for something. Conservatives who would try and hold up this program as an example of a liberal president gone wild with handouts are just as sad and ignorant, and more cruel by a large margin. It’s ironic that such a hard worker is such a lazy journalist.

    • JeffH

      The government’s Lifeline Assistance Program gives out free cell phones and monthly service to Americans in need of financial help.

      The government will pay for your free cell phone and service.

      Thanks to the FCC-mandated, government-sponsored program, called LifeLine Assistance, the financially disadvantaged can receive a free government cell phone and up to 250 free minutes every month. An estimated 15 million other Americans already participate, and tens of millions more qualify to enroll. With the economy falling further and further behind, more and more Americans are finding themselves eligible for the Lifeline phone service program

      On February 6, 2012,(Obama) the Federal Communications Commission produced a Reform Order for the Lifeline assistance program, making much needed corrections to the communications assistance program. The reform created a default set of eligibility requirements, yet allowed the states to create their own added criteria for eligibility.

      ***And fraud and abuse from the expansion have been far more extensive than expected. The Federal Communications Commission report said that up to 15 percent of subscribers in the program are ineligible. Only one member per family is eligible for a cellphone, but a recent review by FCC investigators found some 270,000 families, in just 12 states, who were violating that rule. Verification is taken only on an intermittent, state-by-state basis because a national database will not be ready until later this year, the report says.***

      Lifeline is a Federal Benefit that was started under the Bush Administration.

      While a number of companies participate in this program and because this is a federal government-mandated program, the features of each company’s plan is reasonably close to the others, and the qualifications to obtain the phone are uniform from company to company and state to state. You can see how easy it is to qualify for a government phone, either by current participation in a public assistance program, or by your low-income.

      Baseline Eligibility Programs needed to qualify(at least 1)

      Federal Public Housing Ass’t (Section 8)

      Supplemental Nutrition Ass’t Pgm (SNAP, f.k.a. Food Stamps)

      Temporary Ass’t to Needy Families (TANF)

      Medicaid

      Nat’l School Lunch Pgm Free Lunch

      Supplemental Security Income (SSI)

      Home Low Income Energy Ass’t Pgm (LIHEAP)

      Additionally, you can also be qualified if you reside on federally recognized Tribal land and you participate in any program listed above or any of the following:

      Head Start (income qualifying)

      Bureau of Indian Affairs General Assistance

      Tribal TANF

      Food Distribution Program on Indian Reservations

  • Jeremy Leochner

    With respect to Mr. Root I must point something out. Obama never said that if you have a business you did not build it. Obama was talking about roads and bridges. Our countries infrastructure was not created by ambitious business owners. It was created by pooling our nations resources through the government to create it. Mr. Roots comments come across to me less as a wronged business owner and more as someone who does not like the fact that someone he disagrees with is in office. There was a time when the marginal tax rate and the capital gains rate were almost double what they are now. We still had people willing to take risks and do extra work. This whole idea that taking risks and investing is based on how much the government is involved is fundamentally flawed. It is based on the idea that when a person like Steve Jobs comes up with an idea the first thought that goes through their head is gee I wonder what the marginal tax rate on the top 2% of wage earners is. And if that rate is more than 36% he will decide not to invest time and effort into this great idea. The idea of Reganomics was tried under Bush Junior and it started under Clinton. The Capitals Gains rate and the Marginal Tax Rate were lowered. And regulations like Glass Steagel were repealed. What happened was that initially yes there was a rise in employment. But the price was that business owners on wall street were given free reign to do as they wished which lead to the great recession. Big business owners don’t care about the national debt or deficit. They do not care about the employment rate. They are in business. Their job is to make money. I know this because of the sub prime mortgage bubble. These business owners. These “job creators” as they are often lauded as deliberately chose to sell back and forth stock which they knew was worthless. They knew full well eventually the bubble would burst and that the economy would tank. All they cared about was how much money they could make. I have no desire to lump small business owners with wall street tycoons. But I cannot ignore the fact that the same regulations and taxes which Mr. Root so condemns do not just restrain small business owners. They also restrain those wall street robber barons. And on the flip side the same free market capitalism and the same lack of government intrusion which Mr. Root has so often spoken so highly of does not just benefit the small business owners it also benefits the large. The problem is when a small business goes under it does not tank the global economy. But without government regulation if a big company goes under it takes everyone down with it. Obama’s proposals for regulation have been timid and limited. The majority of people left and right want nothing more than the raising of the top 2% of wage earners back to the Clinton year levels. The return of Glass Steagal and an increased effort to prevent business’s from shipping jobs overseas and instead hiring here in America. Mr. Root before Obama came business owners did not do extra work. They just made extra money. And it was at the cost of our nations economy. You have a problem with the number of people on food stamps and the high unemployment. Why don’t you condemn people like Mitt Romney who made a career of shipping jobs overseas and driving stock prices up at the expense of American workers.

    • speedle

      Jeremy, you are missing the point about Obama’s attitude toward free enterprise. It is not the Steve Jobs, Mitt Romneys, or Bill Gates types that get screwed under the Obama regime. It’s the Joe’s Plumbing and other family to mid sized companies that are being thwarted at every turn by this President. It is the companies that hire most of the people who work in this country.

      GE, Apple, and the other big boys can at worst take care of themselves, and at best work some kind of crony favoritism with what ever Washington bureaucrats they have to deal with at any given time. Of course the prime example is General Motors. Put the innovation power back to the creativity of the ordinary American and the economy will prosper.

      Until those apologists for the current leftist government come to grips with the facts about what is going on in this economy, we will be stuck in the mud while slowly slipping down the road to government tyranny.

      • Matforce

        Speedle, have you looked at the fate of Bill S3816, Creating American Jobs and Ending Offshoring Act?
        This piece of legislation would have granted generous tax break incentives for businesses to stay home and hire USA workers (an additional incentive for the hiring of Vets), and would have substantially curtailed the loopholes, itemized deductions, credits, write-offs, etc. presently available in the tax code for offshoring corporations that use tax payer dollars to offset the liabilities incurred in the set-up of manufacturing facilities on foreign soil.
        Especially interesting is the vote count and what organizations supported it and what organizations were against it.
        Large corporations (monopolies) vehemently complain about how US regulations “forced” them to move offshore, but then they benefit from those very regulations to keep small businesses that could produce products and introduce them into the market at a competitive price, from gaining a foothold in the market. While these “multinationals” receive tax breaks that reduce their corporate tax rate set at 35% to around 14% if they have a good accountant team (many are ex-IRS workers who know all the loopholes) (some estimate that corporate welfare is somewhere around $340BILLION/yr. including subsidies for some of the most profitable corporations in the world), then park their $TRILLIONS in profits in offshore accounts to escape taxation. Meanwhile, small business owners are cutting costs to the bone, and laying off USA workers to compete…

      • Jeremy Leochner

        But Speedle Obama does not have an “attitude” towards free enterprise. Obama is no more an enemy of free enterprise than you are. How did we get from trying to regulate business to hating free enterprise. I am trying to understand how his policies hurt small business owners.

        I am no apologist Speedle. I admit Obama has not kept his promises and his policies are not producing the recovery that people want. But I am left with a choice. A choice between a slow recovery where government can at least keep an eye on big business and what was done under Bush where business big and small were free to do whatever they wanted. I don’t want to penalize small business owners. But I need to know is there a way to hold big business accountable for their actions without also affecting small business. Is it possible to increase the taxes large business pay without raising the taxes on small business.

    • Motov

      I think he said by paying taxes, He did contribute to building those roads, bridges, telephone connections, etc. So in a sense he did do that. Because of the existence of those businesses, the highways and byways were needed.
      Both parties are guilty of driving businesses out of America, because both parties are owned by the same super-duper rich people who are the real puppet masters. It doesn’t matter who is in the White House because the same people control its occupant.
      In public they hate each other, in private they wheel and deal away our rights, property, and ability to pursue our happiness.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        It goes both ways Motov. I think he was saying that business did contribute and that yes their existence did provide a need for roads and bridges and highways. But I think the whole point was to say that it wasn’t the result of some “job creator” trying to make a profit. It was the result of people working together toward a common good.

        I agree with you about corruption in government.

  • mark

    Oh Mr. Root, you poor thing. Maybe we can start a telethon to help all the millionaires like you who have had such a tough time of it over the last few years what with no one listening to your sage advice and all. What a struggle it must be to climb out of that king-sized bed and plop into the Jacuzzi each morning. Everyday is just the same: champagne, caviar, and tears. And the worst part is no one understands. Certainly not those overpaid Hispanic maids, dishwashers, and black janitors getting the minimum wage, and all those spoiled rotten West Virginia coal miners, some of whom actually have the nerve to join a union. Well heck, they’ve got it made compared to a poor little ol’ overwrought entrepreneur like yourself. And they’re still making fun of you just cause you called that 2012 election off by a country mile. But don’t worry none, darlin’, I’ll mail you a check for $10 so you can have one little ol’ itty bitty Grey Goose and tonic before you call it quits and just chuck the whole damned mess. I mean what’s the use livin’ in this damn socialist world every gosh darn day!

    • Jeff

      Did you hear what Steve Schmidt had to say about Mr. Root and his appearances with prominent Republicans (including Rand Paul) in Las Vegas this weekend? The word “dekookification” was used. Yes, Wayne, they’re talking about you and your ability, simply by sharing the dais with someone, to infect him with the Crazy Birther disease. That’s from a big time Republican, not from me.

      • WTS/JAY

        Where are your sources, Dopey?

  • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

    At the FreedomWorks event, which took place on July 6 in Salt Lake City, Mr.
    Rafael Cruz, father of Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX), delivered very inspiring speech, which resonated with the July 4th celebration.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DGURa1DfWEo

    In his speech, Mr. Rafael Cruz said:
    “Outside of the Bible, the U.S. Constitution and the Declaration of Independence are the GREATEST TWO DOCUMENTS that have ever
    been penned.”

    “If we lose our freedoms here, where are we going to go?”

    This question was answered 30 years ago by the Russian ex-KGB agent Yuri Bezmenov
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDDBZuheQxs

    Yuri Bezmenov: (at 15:35)
    “You have, literally, several years to live on unless United States has to wake
    up. The time bomb is ticking. Every second the disaster is coming closer and
    closer … YOU HAVE NOWHERE TO DEFECT to … This is the last country of
    FREEDOM and possibility.”

    G. Edward Griffin: “What are your recommendations to the American people?”

    Yuri Bezmenov: “There must be the strong national effort to EDUCATE
    PEOPLE in the REAL SPIRIT of the national patriotism … Number two – to explain the real danger of the socialist, communist, whatever welfare state – “big brother” government. If people will fail to the danger of that development, NOTHING ever will help the United States.”

    “To a man of LIBERAL education, the study of history is not only useful, and important, but altogether indispensable, and with regard to the history contained in the Bible…it is not so much praiseworthy to be acquainted with as it IS SHAMEFUL TO BE IGNORANT of it.” – John Quincy Adams

    • Jeff

      So, in order to achieve “national patriotism,” we must forego all the things that make for a decent society and live as Ayn Rand and DaveH would like? I don’t think so. Social security, Medicare, and other programs you consider so dangerous are a big part of what makes this society a better place to live than the Dickensian nightmare of the 19th Century. Somehow, you guys equate absolute privilege for the wealthiest among us with “national patriotism.” I don’t believe I ever pledged allegiance to Exxon or to the Koch Brothers.

      • WTS/JAY

        Jeff: I don’t believe I ever pledged allegiance to Exxon or to the Koch Brothers.

        No, you did far worse. You pledged allegiance to Obama and Fascism.

        • Jeff

          I did no such thing. You, however, appear loyal to your country only so long as the President is sufficiently conservative. Social Security, I assume, predates your pledging as does Medicare. So, were you lying when you pledged to uphold that system? Or did you just not understand the Pledge? The Constitution is more than the 2nd Amendment. It contains rights for the accused, even if they’re the wrong color. It contains the 14th Amendment guaranteeing due process and equal protection. You right wingers never believed in equal protection when it came to minority rights. You’d breathe sludge and drink feces if the Koch Brothers told you it was your patriotic duty and we didn’t have an EPA.

          Your stupidity knows no bounds, Jay. You can’t even insult someone without copying and pasting something written by someone with a functioning brain. Stick to farting and belching; “Thinking” just gives you a headache.

          • WTS/JAY

            Doesn’t take much to bring out the Fascist in you, does it, Jeff? One need only criticize your fascist-dictator obama, and your panties get all bunched in a knot…(-:

            As for your sermon on the Constitution, why don’t you send it to your comrade mussolini in the White-House, as i’m sure that after he laugh himself silly upon reading it, he’ll take your note and wipe his arse with it; just as he does with the Constitution. But you already know that, don’t you, nazi-boy?

            You know, its not particularly difficult to figure-out what you are doing here, jeff, as you twist logic and massacre the truth. Reading your posts is like listening to the speeches that gush forth from the lips of the current, fascist-dictator in the White-House! Copy and paste? Better that, than being obama’s ventriloquist-dummy! Right dummy? Oh wait, you, can’t answer that, can you?

          • Jeff

            Stupidity is expected on these blogs, but you exceed all expectations.

          • WTS/JAY

            You might as well face it, Nazy-boy. Your Fascist-propaganda just isn’t working, is it? LOL!!!

          • Bob666

            Wow Jay,

            Bold statement from a guy who is the Joseph Goebbels of the personal liberty digest blog.

          • WTS/JAY

            A misleading statement from a guy who claims to represent an organization with a rich history of segregation and chauvinism!

          • Bob666

            Oh Spinn- Master Jay,

            You keep spinning that and just like Goebbels said, someone (like Sammy) will start to believe it. To bad you don’t have any actual experience or knowledge to back up those comments, but hey, that is the Jay-Spinn Master standard and you are nothing if not consistent!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Would you guys just kiss and make up?

          • Bob666

            Yo Dave,
            Good point made. After all, me against a couple of half wits is clearly not a fair fight-they need reinforcements.

            On a serious note, back to the “if I were king” comment, if you did away with social security (a poor “investment” for the average American), would you give people back their 7/1/2% contributions?

            I believe that we would both agree that people with discipline could turn that money into a decent retirement if they invested it -but that would be the one item that would cause a wide spread rebellion.

            That said-I agree with you for the most part.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Of course. They were forced to pay into the immoral system. They should certainly get their money back at the very least. I would make the Gang give up their assets to shore up SS, like any company would be made to do if they failed on their pension obligations.

          • Bob666

            Yo Dave,
            There lies the problem-it ain’t there to give back. Now, if it were-the economic benefits of that much capital in the market would provide wondrous opportunities, or dive the sales of expensive cars through the roof and maybe drive up the price of crack thrugh the law of supply and demand.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Sure it is, Bob. They just don’t want to.
            The Federal Government owns about 30% of our arable land and numerous other assets. They may not be able to cover the entire SS shortfall, but it would be a very good start.
            Once you come to the realization, Bob, that the Government is just a very large gang, then every thing they do makes sense.

          • WTS/JAY

            Doing the right thing. Imagine that?

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            This coming from the biggest troll on this site? Ha, ha, ha, ha! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. Why is it when Masons make 32nd and 33rd level they become Muslim Shriners?

          • Bob666

            Yo Geisha Boy
            The personal attack and ad hominem while Butting in.

            But that is part of the Geisha Boy double standard-you can butt in and attack people and that’s OK????????

            “It’s plain hokum. If you can’t convince ‘em, confuse ‘em. It’s an old political trick. But this time it won’t work”.

            Harry S Truman,

            Freemason

            U.S. President

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            No response due to lack of intellectual content. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.
            “Sometimes when I’m faced with an atheist, I am tempted to invite him to the greatest gourmet dinner that one could ever serve, and when we have finished eating that magnificent dinner, to ask him if he believes there’s a cook.”
            Ronald Reagan
            40th President of the U.S.

          • Bob666

            Yo Sammy,
            So you Butt in as usual with out any constructive conversation, How typical………

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            You seem to be the pot calling the kettle black. Why are you here? You bring nothing to the table. Just a little angry old man with too much time on his hands. Go home Bob! Here is another article that shows how Obama bin Laden Care is hurting the job market.
            http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-07-05/obamacare-strikes-part-time-job-surge-all-time-high-full-time-jobs-plunge-240000
            Here is one about how more than 1 million houses are facing forclosure.
            http://www.washingtonguardian.com/another-foreclosure-crunch?source=Patrick.net
            Looks like more people are negatively affected by the Obama bin Laden Administration. Neeeeed to get back to your romm before your mommy finds out you left the house. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.
            “Whatever makes men good Christians, makes them good citizens.”
            Daniel Webster
            American statesman
            “Defender of the Constitution”
            Devout Christian

          • Bob666

            Oh Poor Geisha Boy,

            “Just a little angry old man with too much time on his hands. Go home Bob”

            No-No Geisha Boy, I’m a happy guy. Unlike you, I don’t hate anyone or feel a need to dig up fictional dirt on the web to throw at people I don’t agree with. By the way-did you read the read the real page 183 yet or do you just want to continue to live the lie?

            Nor do I feel a need to tell you or anyone else to go away. You see Geisha Boy, the first amendment applies to everyone-not just narrow minded morons that feel a need to revise history while quoting the bible.

            How are the Marcus Bachmann sessions working for you? Still hearing men’s voices from your underwear?

            “To me, Freemasonry is one form of dedication to God and service to humanity.”

            Norman Vincent Peale
            Minister and Author

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Our right of Freedom of Speech comes from God, not the Constitution. Still not too knowledgeable of our founding. You, not I, are the one revising history. The Bible was a big part of our history. The rest I can leave to just being the personal attack, argument to ridicule, and hypocrisy. Here is an article about something you have forgotten about, but I have taught my students.
            http://www.westernjournalism.com/american-exceptionalism-an-empirical-fact/
            Here is one where Obama bin Laden gets torn up.
            http://www.westernjournalism.com/sen-cruzs-fathers-epic-speech-compares-dictators-obama-castro/
            Boy is this man right about what he says about Obama bin Laden. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
            “Make sure you are doing what God wants you to do – then do it with all your strength.”
            George Washington

          • Bob666

            Oh poor Babble Boy,

            OK, So you are a history teacher and you teach about current events?

            WOW!

            BTW-How am I revising history??? another one of your bold lies that you will never back up?

            I hope I shall always possess firmness and virtue enough to maintain what I consider the most enviable of all titles, the character of an honest man
            George Washington – US President & Freemason

          • WTS/JAY

            Why he’s here? He likes to stalk about, following people he doesn’t like, and vote-down on all their comments, whether he agrees with the comments or not.

          • Bob666

            Yo Spin Master Jay,

            Voting down people just because you don’t like them is the Samurai Gig. I only vote you down when I don’t agree with you-which is about 70% of the time.

            As for stalking-no. The majority of people that I follow (like you) make about 3/4’s of the comments on the site. I like to read the comments and then read the content of the author and see how far off the post are from the author’s subject matter.

            Just something that amuses me-like many of your post.

          • WTS/JAY

            Another words, you like to watch and not participate. Right? Safer that way, i guess…?

          • Bob666

            No Jay,
            vacation-you should go on one-you might lighten up a bit.

          • WTS/JAY

            Projecting, Bobby?

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            He does not know what it means.

          • JeffH

            Yo ho ho and a pile of 666 says ” The majority of people that I follow (like you) make about 3/4’s of the comments on the site”

            Nobody likes a liar like you 666!

            For the record, 666 still leads every commentor here by a good margin despite his absence of comments over the last week or so.

            1. Bob666 – 1265 comments

            2. vicki – 963 comments

            3. samurai – 951 comments

            5. JeffH – 826 comments

            7. WTS/JAY – 662 comments

            One more time 666 opens his mouth and inserts his foot. Once a hypocrite, always a hypocrite! Stupid is forever!

          • Bob666

            Wow Jeffery,

            Over pumping the testosterone cream to bring life back those to raisins I see……

            Been on vacation in the Keys Jeffrey, Limited computer and phone-it was very nice with my family-you should try it sometime.

            “Nobody like a liar like you 666″!

            Just what have I lied about Jeffery?

            As always, your post are a lesson in anger management.

          • JeffH

            Never any anger 666, just the facts!

            Why is it that progressive like 666 use the “anger” arguement? Their alternatives are limited…hate and racist.

          • Bob666

            Poor Jeffery,
            Yet you continue to reply………
            Is this hypocrisy unhinged Jeffery-your “facts” fail you.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Go away Bob. BTW, why the picture of a patriot? You sure are not one. Just some bitter old man. Here is an article showing how your buddies at the IRS is being very selective about who they investigate.
            http://www.godfatherpolitics.com/11649/while-irs-targeted-christians-and-conservatives-they-readily-approved-muslim-group-tied-to-terrorism/
            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
            “Freedom prospers when religion is vibrant and the rule of law under God is acknowledged.”
            Ronald Reagan

          • Bob666

            Well little Geisha Boy,

            As Reagan once said-there you go again!

            I have no “buddies” at the IRS, but keep posting-I will keep laughing!

            And I see that you still believe that you are the only modern American patriot? Now that’s funny!

            And What am I bitter about Geisha Boy? Yet another moronic geisha boy comment?

            “Freemasonry embraces the highest moral laws and will bear the test of any system of ethics or philosophy ever promulgated for the uplift of man.”
            Douglas MacArthur
            General,
            United States Army

          • JeffH

            Keep posting 666 so that other readers can see how an ignorant progressive hypocrite responds when it’s backed into a corner with truth and facts.

            Denile ain’t some river in Egypt either.

            I did notice that you are still parroting too!

            POLLY WANT A CRACKER? Or would you prefer some smokey cheddar with your whine?

          • Bob666

            Oh Jeffery,

            what am I “parroting”?

            I remember your facts on how most American’s view the second amendment from the NRA web site.

            Yes Jeffery-You are one objective guy!

          • JeffH

            Bahhhh, bahhhh, bahhhhh! It’s in there 666 the repeating parrot, it’s in there.

            As Mister T used to say…”I pity the fool!”

            Gotta love progressives like 666 that have trouble responding…now he’s reduced to parroting the progressives anti-gun attacks on the second amendment and the NRA…when all else fails you can’t help yourself…you’re the consummate hypocrite 666…this from a guy that also claims he’s a Libertarian. Your actions always betray you 666!

            Well 666, you claim a lot of things that ain’t so…but keep it up so the rest of the board can see just how ignorant progressives like you really are.

          • Bob666

            Well Jeffery Hypocrite,
            I see your mouth working-but nothing of value is coming out. So far, all you have done is call me names?

            Typical Jeffrey-all mouth-no substance.

          • JeffH

            Hypocrite 666 proves once again why he’s earned the status of a hypocrite as he complains about comments with “nothing of value” and “name calling”…it’s looking back at you from your mirror 666, your mirror!

            You can dish it all out and you whine when you get it back.

            Typical of hypocrites, especially the ignorant progressive hypocrites like Wah, wah, wah 666.

            Naw! I don’t pity that fool!

          • Bob666

            Oh Jeffery,

            Are you having one of “those” days?

            “You can dish it all out and you whine when you get it back”.

            Not “whining” Jeffery-just making valid observations about a lonely old man who is pissed at the world.

            Go Hug your guns-since that is all you have.

          • JeffH

            Since when is whining considered a form of “valid observation”?

            Answer: when a whiny progressive hypocrite like 666 uses it as his excuse for his own whining and whimpering.

            Yo ho ho and a pile of whiny hypocritical 666 says: “Go Hug your guns-since that is all you have.”

            Two can play that game…Go hug your ignorant wife, your ignorant OB/GYN and your Blackberry-since that’s all you have!

            I see you’re back to parroting unhinged Jeff & Dave47D too!

            POLLY WANT A CRACKER?

          • Bob666

            Poor unhinged Jeffery,
            I use to believe that you had at least a small amount of manhood and sanity-but you seem to be grasping for something that is not there-not sure what it might be.

            I see no “whining and whimpering”, but If it makes you feel as if those those raisins of yours work-then good for you!

            Do your your guns hug you back? have you named them?

          • JeffH

            In the country of the blind the one eyed man is king.
            – Desiderius Erasmus

            POLLY WANT A CRACKER?

          • JeffH

            666 says “Been on vacation in the Keys Jeffrey, Limited computer and phone-it was very nice with my family-you should try it sometime.”

            Ahhhhh, but not limited enough to stop you from voting up your fellow progressive shills was it?

            Did you bring your OB/GYN and your wife to the Keys with you?

            As for you being a liar…it’s all been posted before…you know it and the readers know it!

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            JeffH,
            Lies, deceits and accusations are the Satan’s “assets”.

            And you know, that son is like father.
            Who “Yo Moron000’s” daddy is, we know:

            He is of his father the devil, and the DESIRES OF HIS
            FATHER HE WANTS TO DO. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does NOT STAND IN THE TRUTH, because THERE IS NO TRUTH IN HIM. When he speaks a LIE, he speaks from his own resources, for HE IS A LIAR AND THE FATHER OF IT.” (John 8:44)

          • Bob666

            Oh Swinestein,
            Now that’s funny since he could have been a pastor.

            But, Propaganda is your gig, So you keep posting-and I will keep laughing. Just one request, could you garnish yourself with some sliced pineapple and cherries and maybe a clove or two?

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            The personal attack and argument to ridicule. Do you ever grow up Bob? Here is an article showing how Obama bin Laden is speading our wealth in Africa.
            http://www.politichicks.tv/column/obama-spreading-americas-wealth-in-africa/
            Here is an article showing a senator who is standing up for the people and against Obama bin Laden Care.
            http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/sen-mike-lee-house-must-refuse-fund-obamacare
            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나랴ㅏ를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot..
            “If we forget what we did, we won’t know who we are. An eradication of the American memory could result in an erosion of the American spirit.”
            Ronald Reagan
            40th President of the U.S.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            JAY, it’s Evil’s job.

            Who cares WHAT “Yo Moron000 of the 13 generation out of 14” is mumbling, except Big Miss karolyn?

            You know, that is the Bush’s fault.

          • Bob666

            Yo Pork Fest,

            Did Putin kick you back to the curb?

            No nasty You Tube cut and paste propaganda tonight??

            Obviously you cared enough to post……….

            You keep posting and I will keep laughing!!!

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            The personal attack and argument to ridicule. No facts or sources? Shows you don’t know what you are talking about. Here is something about the raving pretender we have in Washington.
            http://www.godfatherpolitics.com/11638/obama-to-congress-help-me-usurp-more-power/
            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
            “Of the many influences that have shaped the United States of America into a distinctive Nation and people, none may be said to be more fundamental and enduring than the Bible.”
            Ronald Reagan
            40th President of the U.S.

          • WTS/JAY

            Ah yes, the segregationist/chauvinist, always taking the moral high-ground; and for obvious reasons, of course! LOL!!!

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            There is only one reason: Libero-Moronic Insane Absurdity.

          • JeffH

            …and vote up all of the progressive shills comments too…once a troll, always a troll…:)

          • JeffH

            Yo ho ho and a pile of 666…speaking of hypocrites, what is it that you just did? How typical from someone who’s been somewhat silent recently but has continued his trolling behind the scene. You haven’t fooled anyone but yourself…big mouth!

            I realize you’ve been smarting from the last few beatdowns you got here, from multiple posters, and I also realize that you haven’t learned anything new. Once a hypocrite always a hypocrit 666…the mirror doesn’t lie!

          • Bob666

            Yo Angry & Lonely old Man,
            What “last beatdown” would that be Jeffery?

            It will take far more of a man to pull a beat down on me-you just ain’t got it to give. But, if you want to tell your self that to get by-so be it.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            OK, Bob. How about you answer the question that Jay and I have asked you before about why can’t women be Masons? Why not? Would their safety be as compromised there as it would be if they were with Bill Clinton? Here are the beliefs of Bob antichrist and his special friends (Eeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwww).
            1. You must believe in a supreme being (Anyone will do).
            2. You cannot be a woman. (Why? Are they gay?)
            3. You must not be a slave. (Ooops! We are all slaves to our government.)
            4. You must be an adult. (I guess they made an exception in Bob’s case.)
            5. You must be recommended by existing Freemasons. (Why? They want a taste of you first?)
            6. Conceal each others crimes. (Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.)
            7. Deliver each other from difficulty, regardless right or wrong. (Look at answer for #6.)
            8. Unduly favor Masonry in political action and in business matters. (Why? This is of no importance.)
            9. Bound by death oath not to make known of Masonic secrets. (Why? Are they hiding more that Obama bin Laden?)
            10. Swear to avenge Masonic oath breakers unto horrible death. (Doesn’t #9 and #10 sound Islamic?)
            11. Pay Masonic dues. (Why? Is it a union?)
            12. Donate to Masonic charities. (Why? Does it have to be Masonic to help people?)
            As long as we know the truths about his “special group”(Eeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwww), we all know why Bob acts this way. Remember the movie Grumpy Old Men? That descibes Bob antichrist. Here is something that is about the same as Watergate.
            http://www.townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2013/0708/suspicious-burglary-at-law-office-representing-state-department-whistleblower-n1636102
            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.
            “Would to Heaven we had a navy able to reform those enemies to mankind – or crush them into non existence.”
            George Washington
            In reference to the Barbary Coast Pirates

          • Bob666

            Yo Geisha Boy,

            Why do you continue to beat a dead horse? In particularly a horse that you have admitted no knowledge of?

            I answered the question on women a long time ago-go back and look you lazy little troll.

            Do you tide to your church? Do the boy scouts pay dues? Are you mentally defective?

            “Remember the movie Grimpy Old Men”? No, but I remember one called Grumpy old men-your point?

            By the way-were you born during Nixon? trying to be an expert again on on subjects you know little about again?

            Why don’t you go after the Moose, the Elks, the Lions? Oh, wait-they did not build this country and provide you with the rights that you continue to abuse.

            Go craw back to Marcus Backmann, Those voices must be tormenting you again. Did you kick the dog when you wrote this post-you were obviously pissed.

            “We represent a fraternity which believes in justice and truth and honorable action in your community…men who are endeavoring to be better citizens…[and] to make a great country greater. This is the only institution in the world where we can meet on the level all sorts of people who want to live rightly.”

            Harry S. Truman
            President of the United States

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            It is about the same, not exactly the same, as Watergate. Next, we never paid dues in the boy scout troop we were in. Next, I don’t kick my dog, Bob. If I did, Sook Young would have me sleeping outside under ths stars. Next, you keep mentioing Marcus Bachmann. Why is this? Is he your tending psychiatrist? Lazy troll? I guess you’ll never give up on the personal attack and argument to ridicule. If you ever did, you may look more intelligent to people on this site. Care to cite a source that will back up what you posted about Truman? Something that would show what he said was accurate and correct? Unlike you, I’ve been a patriot all my life, with no exceptions, excuses, or straying from the straight and narrow path. You need a “special group” (Eeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwww) to consider yourself a patriot. Remember Bob, Christianity, God, Jesus, and the Bible have done more for this country than anything that the Masons may have done. Here is an article show how liberal rags can’t print pictures of a 20 week old baby.
            http://www.politicaloutcast.com/2013/07/3-major-newspapers-refuse-pro-life-ad-baby-pictures-too-controversial/
            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
            “Liberty and Union, one and inseparable, now and forever and exclaim Christ first, our country next!”
            Andrew Johnson
            17th President of the U.S.

          • Bob666

            Yo Page 183,

            “Care to cite a source that will back up what you posted about Truman?

            “Something that would show what he said was accurate and correct”?

            http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/treasure/treasure_hunt_02.html

            http://www.searchquotes.com/search/Harry_S_Truman_Masonic/

            You really are a lazy little troll & you claim to teach History?

            “Unlike you, I’ve been a patriot all my life”.

            Now that is just plain funny. You have no clue what I have or have not done that is or is not patriotic.

            You just throw crap out hoping it will stick-very sad little man you are.

            “Remember Bob, Christianity, God, Jesus, and the Bible have done more for this country than anything that the Masons may have done”.

            But yet, you have admitted on sever post that you know nothing about Freemasory-so how can you make such a claim littler page 183?

            You do know that Johnson was impeached on February 24, 1868, in the U.S. House of Representatives on eleven articles of impeachment detailing his “high crimes and misdemeanors”

            “It is understanding that gives us an ability to have peace. When we understand the other fellow’s viewpoint, and he understands ours, then we can sit down and work out our differences”.

            Harry S. Truman, Mason
            President of the United States

          • macgyver1948

            Hi Bob666… As you have asked me, why still battling this with him? LOL

          • Bob666

            Well Mac,
            It’s like shooting little Korean Ducks in a blind-just pull the trigger-you can’t miss.

            But there is the moral issue of picking on the kid who just got off of the short bus.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Speaking of butting in, look what the cat just dragged in. Here is an article showing a doctor that has defeated Obama bin Laden Care in court. A victory for God and country.
            http://www.conservativebyte.com/2013/07/fox-news-credits-dr-hotzes-early-win-against-obamacare/
            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out. Nice post, how Christian of you.
            “I had the honor of being one who framed the Constitution. In order effectually to accomplish these great constitutional ends, it is especially the duty of those who bear rule to promote and encourage respect for God and virtue.”
            Henry Laurens
            Founding father
            Devout Christians

          • Bob666

            Oh Poor Sammy,

            Still kicking the dog?

            Stomping your feet on the floor like a five year old?

            Your are a sad little man and a poor excuse for a Christian, but a great example of a hypocrite!

            Tell Marcus that we all said hello in your next session.

            Here is one about your loser Rick Perry.

            http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/borowitzreport/2013/07/rick-perry-time-to-pass-mantle-to-new-generation-of-boneheads.html?mbid=nl_Borowitz%20(148)

            A man only learns in two ways, one by reading, and the other by association with smarter people. — Will Rogers, American humorist and Freemason

          • rbrooks

            one does not believe there is a cook. one knows there was a chief.

            one has to believe there is an invisible entity.

            reality vs fantasy.

          • jesusknight

            How does one ‘know’ there is a cook or a chef? No diner in the dining room sees him, or converses with him personally, or watches him cook the food. Some waiter comes and gives it to you. For all the diner knows, the waiter could have cooked it… :P

          • rbrooks

            well, that would make the waiter the cook, or chief.
            no belief is required.

            there is no invisible spirit that cooked the food.

            the food did not magically appear. there is no miracle.

            the ‘cook’ can be seen.

            reality vs belief.

          • JeffK56Barker

            That’s what evolution claims, that all life magically appeared. I believe you claim it all started from a huge cosmic fart, that came from nowhere, that created life from nothing, with nothing, by nothing. How impressive.

          • rbrooks

            the problem with your beliefs, like your belief system, is that they are wrong.

          • macgyver1948

            Samurai… Reagan goes for the laugh and you think it is great wisdom to use it. You so often misuse quotes and your application of them is funny. That is for politics and religion.

          • Carol Knapp

            Jeff, Jeff, Jeff….poor idiotic and ignorant Jeff. Don’t you understand that “social programs” must be financed by the private sector? How can that be when the filthy garbage in the government destroys the private sector by confiscatory taxes and Draconian regulations? Don’t you get it that Obama and all the trash back to JFK don’t HAVE an ideology apart from avarice and self-promotion? So why mention “conservatives” as the boogey man when you “libs” are following the “liberal” Fascists (e.g. Obama, George Soros, Move-On.org) instead of the “conservative” Fascists (e.g. Bushes, Koch Bros, Halliburton, et al)? And why are you beating that tired old whine about “rights for whites” only? Did you know that the year is 2013 and not 1813 when Af Ams and other “minorities” really were discriminated against?

            Carol

          • Jeff

            I believe it was far more recently than 1813 that police officers have shot Black men armed with a “wallet that looked like a gun.” What do you think the War on Drugs is other than a war on Black men and Black families? And the stand your ground law? You think that law in the Confederate States isn’t racially motivated? And why is it that in so many States with Republican Governors (and legislatures) that Blacks from Black neighborhoods had to wait 7 and 8 hours to vote? Pure coincidence? I don’t think so as it’s been happening for years. How long did you have to wait to vote?

        • macgyver1948

          WTS/JAY… WOW
          the Tea fantasy continues. It looks as though you are saying if one
          does not agree with you he is automatically a Fascist. Is that
          close? You have no idea about other people but it is that
          disagreement, with your kind of thinking, that compels you to assign Jeff into pledging “allegiance to Obama and Fascism”. I do
          not know any Liberals who have allegiances to either Obama and
          Fascism. Obama we support because he is representing us
          more then the Plutocracy, as your side is, and we Liberals
          hate Fascism, Communism or whatever other
          kind of anti human government with which you may be
          programmed to associate us. But it is good to see you are in
          compliance with your programming.
          The Koch’s and the Norquists are loving you because you speak for
          them in ways they shouldn’t publicly.

          • Jeff

            If you read Jay’s posts, you will see he is far stupider than Elaine ever was. All he can do is parrot what you say and then burp. And he’s able to spell “Nazi.” If I had any respect for his intelligence, I’d get angry at someone calling me a Nazi, but coming from him it’s kind of like your 2-year-old calling you a poopoo head. It’s just so cute the way he tries to communicate like a grownup.

          • macgyver1948

            Jeff…We are all poopoo heads to those who give up their right to think for themselves and let tea, or whatever substances they choose to take the burden of self thought away, think for them. Just reading the likes of Wayne Allen Root and seeing those here who praise him
            and then disallow free expression for those who disagree surely expresses their fake beliefs in liberty.

            How can anyone be “far stupider than Elaine” unless there is a more tea like affect on them?

            By the way, it is amusing to see them as they speak of Nazis and they do not recognize something so close to them. Wouldn’t that be a (far) Right? :-)

      • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

        Hi dear Jeffry. It so nice to hear from you.
        You wrote: “blah-blah-blah…I don’t think so.”

        I don’t care WHAT you think. Tell your mama what you think.

        You wrote: “Social security, Medicare, and other programs you consider so dangerous…”

        Please prove when I stated that Social Security or Medicare are dangerous?

        What I consider VERY, VERY, VERY dangerous it’s:
        1) ObamaCare – I don’t think that I or my children have to pay for your Viagra or condoms; for the liberal sluts’ contraceptives and Abortions. You have to pay for your orgasmic pleasure; I want to have MY Doctor when I NEED it. I want to choose what
        treatment to use.

        2) Education – Education in America is hijacked by Liberal Mentally Pervert Teachers Union.
        We do not have Education. We have brainwashed indoctrination, including mandate of the SEX EDUCATION to all grades, BEGINNING IN KINDERGARTEN.

        3) It gives me nausea when I hear the Kenyan FRAUD, Clintons, Schumer, Durbin, Boehner, Rubio, McCain, Jeff Bush and now George W. Bush are lying that “our Immigration System is broken”.

        Our Immigration System is NOT broken. I know that. I pass thru “Our Immigration System”.
        The borders are broken. The corrupt and lawless people in power (on ALL levels) are breaking the laws.

        P.S. I did not “pledge allegiance to Exxon or to the Koch Brothers” neither.
        I pledged allegiance to my adapting country – USofAmerica.
        I thank God for this opportunity.

        I’d thank my lucky stars
        To be living here today
        ‘Cause the flag still stands for FREEDOM
        And they can’t take that away
        And I’m PROUD to be an American
        Where at least I know I’m FREE
        And I won’t forget the men who died
        WHO GAVE THAT RIGHT TO ME.
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQIWhqjWhpo

      • http://batman-news.com samurai

        Though the programs you mention cost now around $3 trillion dollars, thanks to Obama bin Laden Care, which is more then the mere $1.3 trillion of the government and the military combined. Remember also when SS was first made, it was a copy of Hitler’s plan (darned libs couldn’t come up with their own ideas) and was only to be a supplimental income. How did it become their only income? You say we need these things? Though they are not what our Christian founding fathers wanted, due to these things increaing the size of government by leaps and bounds, you say they are needed? Why can’t we go by the ways it was when people got help from church, charities, and family? Sook Young and I give money to her parents and my mother every month to help them survive. Couldn’t your family do that Jeff instead of you mooching off of the government and the tax payers? WTS/JAY is right about you. You have sworn an oath to Obama bin Laden, big government, and satan himself. Here is an article showing how a hospital chain in Indiana are firing people to cover the cost of Obama bin Laden Care.
        http://www.thedailysheeple.com/indiana-hospital-chain-fires-865-employees-because-of-obamacare_072013
        Sorry Jeff, but those people, along with their families, needed that paycheck. So what do you tell them Jeff? We need that unconstitutional program for some lazy individuals too lazy to get a job or they spend their money on things they don’t need instead of insurance? Sorry Jeff, but we don’t need to be letting people go because of Obama bin Laden Care. Let’s see if Jeff can offer them jobs to feed their families. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
        You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.
        “Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God.”
        Benjamin Franklin
        Founding father
        Devout Christian

        • Jeff

          I don’t collect social security nor am I on any government payroll. The fundamental mistake you guys make is assuming the only people who disagree with you are government workers and welfare recipients. Romney made the same assumption with his 47% remark. Ironically, he had the number approximately right, but he misidentified the people. The majority of the 50%+ who would not vote for him were not on public assistance. Rather, they were thoughtful people who recognized we live in a society. Some in that society get sick and old and many are not covered by a school or other employer. The little bit that people on food stamps receive goes to feed their kids, some of whom need to eat well before enduring your class.

          Many of the low-income people he so cavalierly tossed aside are from Red States. They frequently vote against their own economic interests and for Mitt Romney’s tax cuts in the belief the Republicans will overturn Constitutional Law and legislate prayer in the schools and the other cultural nonsense you guys are always screaming about. Read “What’s The Matter With Kansas.”

          I know you think it’s fine if kids go hungry in the richest society on the planet and if 10 or 20% can only see a doctor in the emergency room or at free clinics like those sponsored by MSNBC. The primary difference between a liberal and a conservative is the liberal, when he sees someone starving, believes it is our collective responsibility to help. The conservative may feel a personal, charitable responsibility, but that kind of assistance is never sufficient. It doesn’t do a poor family much good for your Church to fix them a great Thanksgiving or Christmas dinner if they go hungry the rest of the year. Plus, Church charity frequently comes with religious strings attached. But primarily, it just isn’t enough to meet the need.

          Whether I can afford to take care of family members or not is hardly the issue, is it? Who wants to be a charity case? And where was all that private charity in the days prior to Social Security? Retirement was hardly an option unless you were a banker. Most people worked until they dropped. The programs you denigrate have provided generations of elderly Americans some degree of independence and the ability to retire with some dignity. Medicare has allowed older people to get medical care. And you remember how Reagan talked about it in the mid-60s like it was the end of the world?

          And every civilized society (Western Europe, Canada, Japan) has similar programs. Why is it the kind of society you and DaveH seem to favor exists only in H*ll-holes like Somalia?

          If certain horrible employers want to punish workers for the crime of needing healthcare by cutting their hours, I say they’ll be hurt in the long run. They’ll be punished in the marketplace and they’ll get disloyal employees who will do a lousy job.

      • hungry4food

        Jeff it doesn’t matter how much Paper money they print and give you all who want equality when the Dependency on foreign Vital needs supplies is cutoff from a Defection of that Dollar by these foreign suppliers in your pocket . http://thecommonsenseshow.com/2013/07/12/what-does-a-currency-collapse-look-like/

        • Jeff

          Hungry:

          Eat something. Maybe it will help you to express yourself in English.

          • JeffK56barker

            Jeff, Hungry4food made sense to me. Perhaps you should go back to school and learn English.

      • hungry4food

        Be very careful Pledging Allegiance to a Government thats Technocratic advisory is calling for Population Control !!!!!!!
        This is whats being talked about in the technocratic society today and to Further Empower this Ideology with Bigger Government will most Certainly bring back these types of TIMES JEFF !!!! This is the Ideology that LIVES Inside the Obama Administration TODAY and you are advocating letting it get BIGGER and STRONGER

        History will repeat itself if the allegiance is formed , Like what we just saw the US Government apologize for its actions and crimes against Humanity in the 1920s-1950s in some states !!!!

        This is the kind of things that happen when Power is Consolidated into a Central Controlling Government Jeff !!! Ideology is very dangerous and when its get to big Crimes against humanity are the result , so be careful what you wish for my Friend !!!!
        http://oag.ca.gov/news/press-releases/attorney-general-lockyer-issues-apology-early-20th-century-policy-authorizing

        http://civilliberty.about.com/od/gendersexuality/tp/Forced-Sterilization-History.htm

        Jeff don’t empower a Enemy of LIFE and LIBERTY because they will cut your heart out and stomp you out of existence if you let them its an instinct we must always compete against , and your rage is a sign of this but to find Peace inside the Mind of this form of Power to control will end in controlling all things including YOU !!!!! http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/2002/05/02/virginia-eugenics.htm

      • hungry4food

        Instead of looking to a Central Government to find a Better competitive platform to grow Individual Prosperity a NGO group with Lobbying Power is the way to grow your Voice , just like these people you hate have done !!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/herbert.stamper Herbert Stamper

    Leftist just cannot use common sense, so they cannot know how the employers are the ones providing jobs, and give others a chance to make money. The lies, and hypocrisy they support are astounding. I am paying more taxes under Obozo than I ever have, and gas prices keep going up, and to listen to these indoctrinated useful idiots none of it is Obozos fault. Google search useful idiots, and you will see what their own party thinks of the stupidity they have instilled in the fools.

    • rbrooks

      customers provide the means and the jobs.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        Then let the customers start their own companies.

        • rbrooks

          they did davey. you just are not smart enough to figure that out.

          using your illogical reasoning, let the business owners run a business without customers.

          see how that works out for you.

          • ridge runner

            Every time the economy go to hell and government wonks play with theories, people with some guts try to do something for them selves, something Democrats hate and will never do. Look at the jug eared fk in the WH, always tailed up by taxpayers, or as a lap dancer for some stinking goat abusing sheik. He never even ran a lemonade stand as most most kids have done, when young. I should say that is until dumocraps keep writing regs.

          • Bill

            If you offer a product for a good price and have good service, people will buy your product or service. It has nothing to do with being at the mercy of your customers, it is just smart business.
            The more cost and regulation you put on a business, the less of an ability you have to offer a product for a good price.
            Free enterprise is the goose that lays the golden eggs and it must be promoted, not demonized

          • rbrooks

            you give one portion of the total economics.

            regardless, a business is always run by the customer.

            it is the one requirement that never changes.

            the exception(s) to that are the monopoly’s. and even those are seeing some detrimental affects.

            btw-the customers pay all of the costs. business just administers the money.

            business has proven that they can not and will not regulate themselves.

            wayne is whining because he has fewer customers. it is the policy’s he has supported, and still supports, that is the cause.

            pricing is relevant to wages. some thing the neo socialists have never understood.

          • Bill

            RBrooksI suggest that you go out and start your own business, Then you can speak from experience instead of theory

          • rbrooks

            bill. don’t make assumptions.

    • http://batman-news.com samurai

      Here is an article from a company that donated millions of dollars to Obama bin Laden’s campaign.
      http://www.thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/310503-report-micrsoft-gave-nsa-easier-access-to-encrypted-messages
      FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
      You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
      “The Smiles of Heaven can never be expected on a Nation that disregards the eternal rules of Order and Right, which Heaven itself ordained.”
      George Washington
      Founding father
      Commander of the Continental Armies
      “Father of our country”
      1st President of the U.S.
      Devout Christian

      • macgyver1948

        LOL

        • Bob666

          Yo Mac,
          What’s up?

          • macgyver1948

            Bob. I couldn’t resist,. Samurai is always good for a laugh of a lame frustration.

          • Bob666

            Yo Mac,
            Yea, that ‘s why I like to keep him wound up-he will probably never get it and that just makes him that more amusing.

            I often read his post and imagine the theme from the nursery rime, “the wheels on the very short bus go round and round-round and round”

            It’s a hoot!

          • macgyver1948

            Bob.. yeah, he is a hoot. Oh yeah, you said that, LOL…

  • rbrooks

    There are now more Americans getting “food assistance” checks (101
    million of them) than people working in the private sector (97 million).<<

    you and bob need to work on those lies. there are not 101 million americans receiving food stamps. there are not 97 million americans working in the private sector.

    temp agency's and part time workers have been a problem for just a bit longer than obama.

    kelly was the 2nd largest employer during the bush years as well.

    obama phones are really bush phones. or to be more accurate, wilson phones. they are funded by the universal service fund.

    want a change? quit giving food stamps, or any social services, to immigrants. stop giving american jobs to immigrants.

    be a real american patriot and put americans first.

    or keep giving the country away.

    stop complaining about the affects of the policy's you have been supporting.

  • Deerinwater

    well ~ maybe you think that you did David

  • Patriot66

    Obama does not care about job creators. He is a communist and desires all companies to be owned by the State, and all people to work for the State. That is how communism works. People are not allowed to form their own businesses, but are allocated the same rewards as the least ambitious are. I don’t think people realize that Russia actually won the cold war. America has been conquered without a single shot being fired. It’s time to start a new country!

  • rbrooks

    I get up early and work late, 14 to 16 hours a day. I work weekends and
    holidays. All vacations are “working vacations.” 24/7. That’s the life
    of an entrepreneur. <<

    well, wayne, if you had such a great idea, such a great product, you would hire one of those low wage employees that you helped create, and let them make the money. while you took all of the credit. and spent less of your own time.

    what you have presented is not a success story. you have shown you have poor management skills. and even less ability to sell. you have a poor product. your customer base is too small.

    try a different idea, find a better product, develop a better business model.

    business has always been adapt or die.

    perhaps your place was on the porch after all.

  • Michael Shreve

    Problem is, if we ALL go out with a whimper, Obama will have achieved the Amerika he has been striving for even sooner than HE expects.

  • rocco

    Wayne, you are a whiner.

  • Flo/Arizona

    WELL SAID!!! Thank you for putting it in prospectively. Many people do not know who is paying for their freebies. Obama has the American people in a chain with economy,religion,education, healthcare etc. and is waiting to be a king BO. No!!, he will never get that chance because he and his administration are exposed. The American people are praying and that is more powerful than what his admin are dishing out. Our foundation was implemented by Christianity. Only God almighty will solved the problems that is being smeared on us. It is time to get on our knee and get in touch with the almighty!! We cannot be silence!

  • Ibn Insha

    Mr. Root,

    Obama does not care who would pay for all his largess. Destruction of America is his ultimate goal and that goal is not far. He gives more to other countries than previous administrations. He regulates us more than the previous administrations. He taxes us more than the previous administrations. He spies on us more than the previous administrations. He like for other countries what he prohibits in America, such as oil drilling and Americans continue to vote for him because they are addicted to illegitimate stuff, such as food stamps, free housing, free medicine, free education, etc.

    The people of America have elected and reelected him and this trend will continue because his party will continue to buy votes, legally, with our money and Republicans will continue to strive to be more like Democrats. This is end of America. It will not be an economic super power. No one would try to emulate our economic system or system of government because we would not be better than others. We will not be a beacon of liberty for people of other lands. We will not be America.