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Business Owner Harassed Over American Flag

March 14, 2012 by  

Business Owner Harassed Over American Flag

In another of the ever-increasing incidences of regulation run amok throughout the Nation, a Georgia business owner is being harassed by officials in his hometown for proudly flying an American flag on his own property.

According to the Albany Herald, an Albany code officer told Tom Gieryic the standard-sized American flag flying on a pole outside of his automotive repair shop was in violation of the city’s signs ordinance. Gieryic’s troubles reportedly began when a group of retired Marines offered to hang a new flag from his pole. The businessman accepted the offer and left his business for lunch. When he returned, he was met by an irritated code enforcement officer who informed him that if he failed to remove the flag he would face fines.

The officer, who contended that the flag was on the city’s right of way, demanded the business owner’s license and informed him that he could face a $1,000-per-day fine and 60 days in jail for not removing the flag. She then wrote him a ticket.

Gieryic raised a stink with city officials and was able to get the ticket dropped to a warning, but he was informed that the flag — which has been in the same spot for 30 years — must be moved by 1 foot.

Gieryic said the incident is an example of “government getting involved in areas they don’t need to be involved.”

“Frankly, I think the city’s law concerning the United States flag is a stupid one and should be changed,” he told the Herald. “I believe in that ‘Don’t Tread on Me’ slogan and believe every American should be allowed to fly his or her flag — as long as it doesn’t impede traffic or cause some kind of safety issue — anywhere they want on American soil.”

Sam Rolley

Staff writer Sam Rolley began a career in journalism working for a small town newspaper while seeking a B.A. in English. After learning about many of the biases present in most modern newsrooms, Rolley became determined to find a position in journalism that would allow him to combat the unsavory image that the news industry has gained. He is dedicated to seeking the truth and exposing the lies disseminated by the mainstream media at the behest of their corporate masters, special interest groups and information gatekeepers.

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  • cawun cents

    Just like gubment clowns,to hate you for flying our colors.
    If they were as concerned for other screwed up conditions,such as borrowing too much money,then maybe they wouldnt be the focus of nearly everyones derision.
    And perhaps they wouldnt be trying to ding a businessman to attempt to get money out of him.
    I bet he’s glad he didnt get the flag tattooed on his arm,otherwise they’d be coming to him and telling him to put it two inches higher on his houlder(so if he wears a shirt nobody can see it)or face the penalties.
    I wonder why she didnt harass him for money for her sexual proclivity,and force him to buy health insurance?
    That would seem just as likely,dont’cha know.
    People who support this kind of gubment are mentally ill.
    They enforce laws which mean little or nothing unless it creates a situation where a voting block can be achieved.
    Behind closed doors they search the demographics for one more time,trying to find a way to squeeze votes out of the populace.Oh well….we’re losing the womens vote,so we will use controversial statements that Joe Nobody who runs his mouth on the radio to get back some that we are lacking.Then issues are made out of whether a woman is getting palooked or not.This is playing right into their hand of three card monte.
    The condition has never been one of whether the woman was sleeping around or not,it is one of whether all taxpayers should be culpable in her healthcare BECAUSE she wants free birth control products.
    So leave it up to the spin doctors to via media/academia,twist the conditions into issues which mean nothing.
    Who cares what the woman does behind closed doors,or what the spin doctors do behind closed doors?
    I am not outraged when a woman is called names,or when issues are made from nothing.
    But I do care when someone wants to force me to pay for anothers habits.
    Now I will be seen as insensitive by someone who gets irritated by media/academia invented scandals which are not even the real condition of reality.
    But what do I know?
    Apparently very little…….

    • Emil

      Mr Taylor had my ear until the very last sentence of his letter. He said this is America where
      laws are enforced and obeyed. I believe that was his wording.

      This is America where Many Americans Obey the law that are Enforced against Citizens
      both natural and naturalized (Citizens) But today only some laws are enforced on SOME
      PEOPLE. It is a fact that every one of 20 plus million people inside our borders are breaking
      the law daily no hourly 26/7 and no one is enforcing our immigration laws. Try to enforce
      our laws on immigration and the Federal Justice Department comes down on you like a
      ton of bricks.

      Our great country is being destroyed but the people who are breaking the immigration
      laws and those (including Congress and the President) that refuse to enforce the
      immigration laws. I do agree with the statement another person wrote, Enforce all
      the laws or none of the laws.

      • Emil

        Forgive my typo that is 24/7 not 26/7

    • elSurfeador

      I don’t know why this misperception of what Sandra Fluke said keep persisting – nobody pays for anyone else’s private health insurance and Sandra Fluke never asked that it be done. Again, taxpayers don’t fund anyone’s private health insurance and Fluke never advocated for it. By the way, she actually never even discussed sex in her testimony – another misrepresentation. She talked about women who have serious health issues that require hormonal birth control as medication but were being denied coverage. This affects 15% of women and in the instance Fluke talked about, a woman was denied coverage and ended up losing an ovary – her testimony had nothing to do with sex or contraception.

      • oldprof36

        Ms. Fluke mentioned the word contraception multiple times. In her second paragraph she stated that she attends Georgetown, a Jesuit law school that does not provide contraception coverage in its student health plan. Later, in this same testimony (par. 6), she stated that a friend of hers has polycystic ovarian syndrome. Ms. Fluke said that her friend’s birth control prescription is technically covered by Georgetown insurance because it’s not intended to prevent pregnancy.

        In the very next paragraph she discussed the friend who lost an ovary as a result of not being able to get the school’s insurance company to cover her prescription. There was verification from the doctor for her condition of polycystic ovarian syndrome but the claim was denied repeatedly because of the assumption by the insurance company that the student really wanted the birth control to prevent pregnancy.

        Now, I no longer quote her testimony but speak on my own. If another student was approved by the insurance company for the same condition as the one who suffered the eventual lose of her ovary…that means they both SHOULD be able to have their prescriptions covered. In my opinion, the problem for the second woman falls upon a problem through her doctor’s office. I’ve dealt enough with my mother’s claims to have learned that you speak with someone from the insurance company to see if there is a coding problem. Apparently the first young woman was fortunate enough to have someone current and informed with the proper codes and wording for claims.

        Ms. Fluke was testifying on behalf of women who will benefit from the Affordable Care Act contraceptive coverage regulation (her first sentence). The fact that ALL insurance companies are to provide FREE insurance coverage for women’s birth control drugs and devices is what causes other Americans to take issue with her. There is no stipulation that this is only for women with medical conditions…it’s for all women. This is not the purpose of health insurance. Therefore, insurance companies will make up for their costs with the rest of us.

  • combat seabee

    Fire the idiot enforcer!!!!

    • Karolyn

      That is not possible, since he is just doing his job, however abhorrent. The law is the law; however, in this situatio they should be able to make a concession.

      • FreedomFighter

        Democrat sponsored law I believe.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • Karolyn

        FF -Democrat/Republican, what difference does it make? All towns have these similar ordinances.

      • Gator

        Concession – are you nuts – they need to get rid of ignorant people who craft stupid laws – you are able to write your opinion what ever it is because someone fought for that right under the American Flag – Think of the Marines at Iwo Jima or the landing at Normandy or Korea or Viet Nam – What are you people thinking – The Flag of the United States has a reverence to it and needs to take it’s place anywhere it can be shown safely.

      • CJ

        If “the law is the law” was blatently true, there would be no need for a jury trial. The only absolute laws are those of nature. All others are conditional, and subject to interpretation or exceptions. We are NOT living in a ‘free country’ but a country of freedoms with responsibilities!

      • Rick

        they just pur a new flag on a staff that has been in place for 30 years. So why is someone just now making an issue out of it. After that long if nothing else he has squaters right to that foot for his Flag. It should be grandfathered in having been there that long. Better yet tell the code enforcement officer that it is her job to maintain it since it is on city property. Simple solution give the man a life lease on that foot of city land for a dollar and let it go. no harm no foul. this is a waste of tax dollars to harass a business man for trying to keep his business looking nice.

      • LeRoy Wolf

        As the article stated this flagpole has been there for thirty years. Obviously the city has found a way to give the guy an easment. Someone got a bug in his butt and now the guy has a nuisance to deal with. I can’t figure out why these city officials can’t give our flag a little special consideration.

    • Sheldon

      The US Flag is not a sign. The sign laws are usually so each business has the opportunity to advertise their business and not to impede the neighboring businesses to conceal or cover up the neighboring signs.

      When the US Flag becomes a sign other than representing patriotism, respect for our troops and respect for our constitution then we are seriously ready to defend its presentation with arms.

      My son in the army is still in Afghanistan and when those foreigners burn our flag then I think we should burn them. If they were americans burning the flag on american soil then I may change my opinion and support their first amendment right to demonstrate and speech. But foreigners need to learn a little respect, a little more respect. If they die because they think they are a martyr then they will be getting their reward.

      God Bless America

      • brianS

        Gator, you are half right. Go all the way and have an IQ test on voters who put these guys in these positions. Possibly the best thing to do would be to put the flag pole up the persons butt and fly her instead of the flag. I will pay the fine for a few days. I cannot believe what is happening around the world as the minority take control.

  • Proud Vietvet

    Dear Mr. Taylor,

    I deeply appreciate your reply! Yes Sir, there are two sides to every story and I thank you for sharing your side which I can fully understand.

    Today’s public is over sensitive to the “Government”, rightfully so, and I can see both sides.

    I have not yet made any donations as our banks are not open yet. Thank you for saving me the money.

    I extend my deepest thanks for your service and welcome you home.

    It sounds to me like this is a non-issue and has been handled in a very acceptable manner.

    It goes without saying, not all laws are necessarily constitutionally right and that is what men like you and I are for, to right a wrong. When those types of “Laws” are used, is when I and men like me step in and take corrective action/s in lieu of blindly following. I am certain you would agree with that stance.

    We both took an oath that does not expire upon receiving our DD-214′s but, are for a lifetime.

    Again, thank you for taking the time out of your busy schedule to reply to me!

    Remaining on watch, I Am,



    —– Original Message —–
    From: Taylor, James
    To: ‘ProudVietVet58′
    Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 5:37 AM
    Subject: RE: American Flag

    Proud Veteran,

    I don’t usually respond to these emails but for you I make an exception, I too am a proud American Veteran, United States Marine Corps for nearly 30 years. Don’t believe everything you hear on TV or read in the news paper, it is far easier to tell half the story than to do the research to tell the whole truth. Here are the facts: 1. The Law validate was State Law not local ordinance; 1. The issue was to remove everything from the right of way and one of those things just happened to be a US Flag, but there were other things also, the owner was simply asked to move the objects on to his property and out of the State Right of Way as required by Law; 3. I regret that you made a donation to an issue that has no merit, the Federal Courts have already ruled on this issue many times. 4. Finally, the property owner still has his flag he simply moved it a few feet from the right of way. Have a great day in America where laws are enforced and obeyed.

    From: ProudVietVet58
    Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 6:17 AM
    To: Taylor, James
    Subject: American Flag
    Importance: High

    Dear Mr. Taylor,

    I write you this morning concerning your City demanding an American Flag be removed from a business owners property that seems to overhang onto City property.

    Sir, I fought and almost lost my life so people could enjoy the freedoms and liberties we enjoy today. I fought Communism and had my career cut shot my catching 2 rounds in the chest while flying low level air attacks on know V/C strong holds.

    I find Albany’s stance on this issue disgusting and unacceptable.

    Kindly forward this e-mail to your Mayor and/or City Council to “Reword” your “City Ordinances” to allow this man the freedom to fly Old Glory.

    Respectfully, I also require you cease and desist any further “Threats” directed at this business owner.

    Failure to comply will result in my personal and sizable donations to the legal fees to take the City of Albany Georgia to Court.

    Thank you in advance for your cooperation and assistance.



    101st. Airborne Ranger

    Helicopter Attack Company

    Pilot In Command (Flight Leader)

    UH-1G Gunship

    Vietnam 02-1971 to 11-1973

    Critically wounded 11-1973

    • Karolyn

      Well, here we go. The facts always take the thunder away from the headlines.

      • FreedomFighter

        After 30 years in the same spot, right of way?

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • Libertytrain

        Got to agree with Freedom Fighter – 30 years and someone from government has finally gotten around to handle the non-issue… Wow….I knew the gov was frequently slower than frozen molasses, but … :)

  • Proud Vietvet

    Please post a reply here if Mr. Taylor is not being truthful with me in the above e-mail.

  • Karolyn

    It’s these damn small-town officials, especially in areas where up until a few years ago there was little in the way of zoning enforcement. When we moved here to rural SC 7 years ago, they had just adopted new ordinances the prior year or so. We were surprised because in NJ such ordinances had been in effect for many years. Well, anyway, e found through a series of subsequent events, that it seems like the officials just love to throw their weight around – even when they don’t know wat they’re doing. It’s the same old power trip thing. Of course, laws are laws, but when it comes to something like a foot, especially for the American flag, you would think they could use some common sense. If I were living in this town, I would certainly gather as many people as I could and storm the city council. The squeaky wheel gets the grease. There was recently a stink here about religious activities in the schools. Because of an incident in a middle school involving a faith-based rock group performing during school hours, the principal came under attack. The next county council meeting found the place jammed with people in support of the principal. People will respond when they get the word and it’s something they feel strongly about.

    • 45caliber

      An aquanitance locally went to the city council meeting and spoke against a new ordinance that one of the city commissioners wanted to pass. The next morning the city commisioner called the man’s boss and demanded that he be fired. The boss finally said, “I don’t think it is legal to fire someone due to his political opinion.”

      The commissioner replied, “Of course it’s legal! I’m on the city council and I run this city! You have to do what I tell you to do!”

      He wasn’t fired and the city commissioner was replaced at the next election.

  • J.M.R.

    30 years in the same spot and now its illegal give me a break sounds like liberal bu– sh– to me

    • Scott in SC

      Everything is not always liberal vs conservative. Having lived in S. GA for 25 years and the incident occurred in Albany it’s more than likely a racial issue.

  • Jim

    Actually, just because the flagpole is on the right of way doesn’t preclude it being on the individual’s property. I pay taxes on my property that is on the right of way, as do almost all property owners. Most communities in Georgia have increased their claimed right of way in the last 30 years; so, the flagpole, having been “in place” for 30 years was probably not subject to the city’s restrictions until the city ordinance was changed. I’m not sure about the legal precidence of “grandfathering” in the pole: but, I do feel that the amount of time that it has been in place, and not hidden should be ample evidence that the owner has, at least a valid argument that the City has, by default, released authority over it’s location and use. If the city’s right of way limits have been revised in the last few years this, by law, would have to have been addressed by public meeting, including advertisement and posting. If this was not done correctly, by law, it would further support the property owners rights to continuing using the pole without judicial liability, until the time at which the code could be correctly processed. This would involve the required advertisement, posting, and community meetings. It is of note that many small municipalities do not go to the expense of doing what the State law requires. a short trip to the archives of the official city organ (usually a local newspaper) could provide valuable information.

    • Wumingren

      In my town it is okay to do whatever we want in the right of way, but it is with the understanding that should the right of way be required for road or utilities improvements, anything we have placed in the right of way must be removed at our own expense. It should be that way, since I’m paying taxes on the dirt that is covered by a right of way. I should be able to use my dirt for whatever purpose I desire, until such time as the town might require access to it. Of course, I will not build any expensive permanent structure there, as it would cost me a lot to move it. However, if I desire to place a fence, flag pole, paved pathway, vegetable garden, or whatever on the right of way, I should be able to do so. The guy with the flagpole should have been left alone, unless the flagpole blocked access to an imminent city project of some sort.

      • 45caliber

        In this area, we not only pay for right-of-ways, we also pay taxes on the land to the middle of the street. The county/cities don’t want to exclude property they take from taxes just because they take and use it.

  • Raggs

    I’m surprized that oblama and holder don’t pay mooooslims to go around and burn the American flag where ever they see one flying.

  • dagodave

    First are you sure that you and I are on AMERICAN SOIL!

    • 45caliber

      I always thought it was, but perhaps this gentleman isn’t any more. Perhaps we aren’t either!

  • Randall Parker, MBA

    If he has had that flag pole in the same spot for 30 years, and the city has not previously complained, then I believe that he has an “adverse possession” claim against the city.

    If the city has an easement that they have not enforced or used, then the easement ceases to exist.

    I don’t think the city has a legal leg on which to stand in this matter. However, I’m not an attorney, but it would be nice to hear an attorney’s take on this.

  • teaparty13

    Don’t you love it how it’s getting to be against the law to fly our Flag; having a Nativity out during Christmas; kids selling lemonade, those that are writing these laws should be run out of town on a rail or tarred & feathered.

  • Bert Cundle Sr.

    It Is A United States Flag! ( Become offensive to Americans.)

    • 45caliber

      I have noticed that the American flag seems to be under attack by those who are ashamed of being American. They don’t want to “offend” those other other countries. In fact, I’ve heard of several towns that tried to have the display of the flag banned for that reason at one time or another. (Other flags, okay. Just not American.) It really makes me wonder about those who try to insist on this.

      • Bert Cundle Sr.

        You ignored my point… Or Compleetly misunderstand it!
        The UNITED STATES Flag “Stars (50)& Strips) Red White & Blue collars…Represents The Unites States “of” America… AMERICA has Many Flags, Representing their own Country!
        People Calling the U.S. Flag “The” American Flag Are Dumb, & Disrespectful… (trouble makers)

      • s c

        45caliber, anybody who is ‘ashamed’ of living in America (if they have any integrity at all), should MOVE to another country. We’ve had many slimers in Congress [and some "choice" LOSERS in the W H] who SHOULD BE ashamed of what THEY did to America. Sadly, most of them have no conscience.
        In this case, it’s the city government in that town in Georgia who should be shamed and on their way to a state that will tolerate their sorry rumps. It’s hard for me to believe that a state like Georgia would let such insanity exist there. I wonder if any of those moonbat wannabes spent time in Washington as political staffers for career criminal politicians.

  • 45caliber

    So … acording to the city, an American flag is a sign. Interesting. I’ve never considered the flag as a sign and fail to see why it should be. I’ve always been under the impression that the flag was a symbol of the United States. Perhaps someone can explain why it is one?

    • Bert Cundle Sr.

      The U.S. Flag “as a Sign” means the BRITISH are here… The ew Flag Must be: White & Red Ball in the center, on one corner & The Mexican Flag,on another corner & The United Arab Flag on another, & Texas Star on the other… With the Skull & Cross Bones in the middle!

      • Antonio

        You seem to be very knowledgeable with flags. May I suggest that you further educate yourself as to what exactly is on the flags. I will give you a hint, it is not a “star”…

      • Bert Cundle Sr.

        An Bird with a snake in its beak? (Mexico)
        An Oil well in a vast desert, Spueing out $ Signs… (Arib)

      • Antonio

        jaja pretty funny. At first i was like what the hell is he talking about. anyways, they are pentagrams not stars, yes, satanic symbols all over the flags.
        good try though…

  • Le Beauf

    It’s no better this side of the water. I have read that in England on several occasions, people have been warned to take down the Union Flag as they didn’t have planning permission to fly it. Apparently, it is regarded as “advertising”.

    Only a civil servant could regard the country’s national flag as advertising.

    Power mad public officials don’t seem to change whichever country you live in. Sadly!

    • 45caliber

      In Mexico it is illegal for anyone except the military or some government building to fly the Mexican flag. Which I think is funny considering all the Mexicans who like to fly it here. I’ve always insisted that they should go home and fly it there to see how free they are.

  • templer

    If there was such respect for law then Obama would have been jailed for fraud regarding his Social Security number, a fraudulent birth certificate, and impeached on a mulitude of crimes including violation of the oath to honor and OBEY the constitution.

    • Bert Cundle Sr.

      He advocated CHANGE…

      • 45caliber

        And he is changing things …

      • http://naver sook young

        And he has changed it for the worst. Thank you.

        Sook Young
        Wife of the Samurai

    • castaway

      In addition, the law does not apply to him or his zhars.

  • http://google john p.

    this is your democrats at there best .do as i say not as i do .
    as long as you vote for democrats ther will be stupid laws
    and idiots be hind them .

  • Buck

    He needs to move his flagpole the one foot to comply with the communists running his city . Then EVERY American in the country needs to fly it upside down until our constitutional rights and liberties are restored . That is a legitimate distress signal and if this country is not in distress then it never will be . To all patriots , please fly the stars and stripes upside down as a distress sign until said distress is resolved . This in NO way shows disrespect for our flag , as does the burnings and tramplings we see so often today .

    • 45caliber


      Actually, I havent’ seen the burning and trampling of the flag since a Washington state federal judge ruled that it was a person’s first amendment right to burn a flag … but it was everyone else’s right to stop it. After the person who wanted to burn the flag tried the next day and got knocked down a flight of stairs so the flag could be saved, I’ve not heard of that again…

    • Bert Cundle Sr.

      Upon George Bush Inaugeration; Was the time to Fly the Flag Up Side Down!
      Sure Oboma Isn’t Right in ALL of his Endevors… But Almost anyone was better than the Bush Dynasty! I Support O’s Bringing our troups home… Just Not FAST ENOUGH or Compleete enough! There are some failures to his utopeion Health plan… REQUIREMENT to supply for self! ( The Doctors Cread… is Turn down No one… Medical Debts are Not Punishable! ) He is on a Slippery Slope, with Israil!

      • castaway

        Bert Dumble Sr.

      • http://naver sook young

        Why don’t you look at what the liberals have done to disrespect our beloved flag:

        Now look who is really against patriotism in America. Thank you.

        Sook Young
        Wife of the Samurai

        • Ronald R. Johnson

          The worst thing to ever have happened to America was Obama ever reaching the white house and since he has been in it he has done everything he can to hurt America. He has flown all over the world on our dime to tell the world how bad he thinks America is and a real president would never do that. He supports Muslims against Christians and he will go done in history as the very worst president America ever had!

  • Thomas Borozenski

    If the law is the law. Then why do these morons not enforce the illegal immigration laws. They worry about a flag that is a symbol of are country. This right should be protected across the whole USA. Enforce all laws or enforce none.

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  • Annie

    Is the code enforcement officer a mooslim?

  • http://personallibertydigest gottaplenty

    Bert I would just love to catch some idiot piece of crap turning my flag over. I still Have an Mi like i used while in the USMC, And believe me I am still a good shot. I believed that flag is our symbol of freedom enough to get my hitch in and still protect it . That sh#4%%^& head you got in place of Bush resents the flag, it might offend some of his islam scum, So i must assume you are on the same page.

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest BobA

    Hey guys, I’ve been reading Personal Liberty Digest for some time now but have never got in on the discussions before now. This artical really gets goat. This country has gotten so far off track from what we are supposed to be about it’s embarrassing.

    If I were that gentelman I would go to the city officials and give them a choise, let me fly the flag or if they do not appreciate my business in their city and the taxes I pay every month to city, county and state from sales of my business I would either retire and close the business of if not ready to retire move my business over to the next county and see if they would mind if I flew my American flag in their city and pay taxes to them each month.

    Our govenment has gotten so out of hand that it is time for an uprising of the people of this once proud country to back over the goverment and put it back like it is supposed to be, the government working for the people, us telling them what we want.

    (please forgive any of my misspelling)

    Proud American

    • http://PersonalLibertyDigest BobA

      That’s supposed to be (gets my goat)

  • Emil

    In answer to “Rick” It is NOT city and probably belongs to and taxes paid on it by the man
    owning the flag. The story says it is on the City right of way.
    I own property 15 feet of which the City and Electrical and Telephone company hold
    a right away to trespass upon I cannot fence them off but I must maintain it and pay
    taxes on it. I the man’s flag pole does not impede traffic in any way there is no reason
    it cannot be excused after 30 years of use in the exact same place. The “A” fram
    advertising you see on sidwalks and RealEstate signs you see on public property
    are also sitting on Public Right of Way. But the city turns a blind eye.

  • Mike S.

    Seems to me, if the pole and other flags had been in the same spot for thirty years, this could and should be grandfathered. Why had no issue been made of it for the previous thirty years?

  • FWO21

    Watch the animated movie “Animal Farm”. It shows you how when a new leader takes over, he just changes the laws to the way he wants them to read. It is a George Orwell movie. Very Good. Bought mine at Wal-Mart for $1.00 some time back, but I don’t think you will find one that cheap now, if you can even find it.

    This is America and I don’t understand how the guy could fly his American flag for 30 years and now when he gets a new one, it isn’t positioned in the right spot. If any thing is a hindrance, I think it is those stupid electronic signs. I live in a small town and getting bigger every day, but we have several of those things. Can’t drive and read them at the same time.

    What I don’t like, is flying a foreign flag over our White House. Remember when BO had the Chinese flag flying? What is that about and have other presidents done that?

  • Disgruntled

    Read the BOOK “Animal Farm”… Then you can rely on
    your own intellect to discover the meaning of this timeless
    story… I find it truly sad that most people, these days,
    cannot form their own opinion without a multimedia
    experience to do it for them.


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