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Bush Scraps Swiss Trip In Wake Of Protests, Criminal Charges

February 10, 2011 by  

Bush scraps Swiss trip in wake of protests, criminal chargesFormer President George W. Bush has canceled a trip to Switzerland amid reports of protests and legal action linked to his administration's handling of foreign detainees.

According to The New York Times, two human rights groups issued a preliminary indictment against Bush on Feb. 7, alleging that he authorized the torture of terrorism suspects during his Presidency. The 42-page document was filed by the New York-based Center for Constitutional Rights (CCR) and the Berlin-based European Center for Constitutional and Human Rights.

Katherine Gallagher, a senior attorney for CCR, told the media outlet that a formal legal complaint will be filed against Bush if he leaves the United States. The former commander-in-chief has faced scrutiny from human rights advocates following the release of his memoir Decision Points last year, in which he admitted to personally approving the torture technique called waterboarding that simulates drowning.

Bush was scheduled to deliver a speech at the United Israel Appeal fundraiser in Switzerland this week, but the organization canceled the event due to security concerns after international groups threatened to stage large-scale protests at the event.

Bush spokesman David Sherzer expressed regret about the cancellation, but declined to comment on the planned protests, ABC News reported. 

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  • Michael J.

    No surprises here, CCR is funded by George Soros, nuff said.

    • UncleOtto

      Typical, speaking on behalf of United Israel Appeal fundraiser. Israel is what this war was all about!!

      • Michael J.

        Uncle Otto,
        If the Palestinians, Hamas and Hezbollah layed down their arms today, there would be no more violence…
        If the Israelis layed down their arms today, there would be no more Israel…

        • Bert Cundle

          ISRAIL is a term meaning, OVERCOMERS (Victory over all others.) Witch is Offensive to Control Freaks!

          • trut

            Nobody better at blowing up buildings to collect the insurance.

        • EddieW

          You nailed that!!! but GW should definitely be made to face the charges of torture that are lodged against him!! I voted for him, but he is not above the law, even though he was president!! He has to be held responsible for his own actions…he raped our freedoms with homeland security, who are now turning the US into a Fascist Police State, that will be worse than any in history…including Hitler & Stalin!!!

          • Dogma-Free “The Trinity”

            @EddieW – I couldn’t agree more. Dubya should be held accountable for his administration’s committal of war crimes, and he should not be considered above the law.

            That is the problem with Republicans these days (well, since about 1946, really), is they *think* they can do no wrong…no matter what the law says.

            Furthermore, Karl Rove should be shot, hung, and pissed on, and is an absolute disgrace to the country! His very title of ‘architect’ (in politics?!) is an affront to the decent people of America…including some of the misinformed people who still even vote for Republicans!!

            Why would a political party ever NEED and ARCHITECT…???!?

            That sounds like Nazi-esque social engineering, to anyone who is aware of such things.

            It is an outrage, and anyone who says otherwise is either a fool, and/or an ignoramus…or they’re in on the whole sham that is politics these days.

            And, no…the ‘Democrats’ aren’t any better these days either…but if you won’t hold your own Republican criminals accountable for their crimes against humanity, then you don’t deserve to complain about Obama, IMO…and as we all know, I’m always right (just ask me).

            Put that f**ker, Baby Bush in jail, and leave him to rot…and then round up his accomplices, Rove, Cheney, Rice, and anyone else who aided and abetted ol’ Dubya, and throw them in the brig too.

            Otherwise, if people aren’t willing to do that, then they have set a precedent in America, and they’re sealing not only their own fates, but all the rest of us with them too!

        • http://personallibertydigest Robert Smith

          Uncle Otto has it right..What is the name of the bubble these people are living in?? If A Nation decides to defend itself against certain destruction the people who scream the loudest are the ones trying to destroy them and we do nothing but give them the usual (poor baby) treatment.. How many holacost’s do we have to endure before the world wakes up to the fact that the “Jews” are Gods’ chosen people..

      • 45caliber


        Does that mean that you believe that all Jews in the world should be exterminated? Hitler would have loved you!

        • UncleOtto

          Re:45 — Not at all but to an israeliphile sending American troops to destroy Israel enemies is no big deal. It just means that those countries are not our enemies. A typical example of why you cannot serve 2 masters

          • 45caliber

            You are blaming the war on them. Or, perhas I should say that you are insisting that the only reason we are at war is them. I seem to remember some terrorists with airplanes they had hijacked …

          • eddie47d

            We need to support Israel without fueling the arms race in the Middle East.We call too many dictators our friends and bargain with them with weaponry. So asinine.

          • Dogma-Free “The Trinity”

            @45caliber – To quote you:
            “I seem to remember some terrorists with airplanes they had hijacked …”

            And by *them*, I assume you mean the Saudis (aka: the business partners of the Republicans), right?

            You know, seeing as that’s who hijacked the airliners (the 9/11 incident) I assume you are referring to.

            …actually, and while we are on the topic of the ’9/11 incident’, why the f**k did that sh!t-for-brains, Dubya Bush, NOT implement a simple *evacuation plan* for the WTC buildings, when he got the PDB on August 6th, warning him that Bin Laden was planning an attack on the WTC towers…??!?!

            Or at least meat-head Bush could have warned Rudy ‘the raging racist’ Giuliani, and pawned the responsibility off on him…

            …either way, it most likely would have saved countless innocent American lives that day.

            And if that doesn’t make you mad, then there must be something wrong with you.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            The Saudis…. the Saudis hmmmm. Oh yeah the ones that Nobummer kissed the a$$ of!! I remember now!!!!

  • Vic

    I believe Bush and his administration officials should be tried for war crimes. He tortured people and admitted to it. In the U.S., our laws say you do not torture. We have also signed on to the Geneva Conventions, which say you do not torture.
    This is what happens when the government does not follow the Constitution. Congress did not declare war, so we are not in a constitutional war. The government claims we’re at war. If we are at war, then we must abide by the Geneva Convention. If we are not at war, then criminal courts must handle the detainees. You can’t have it both ways. Either we’re at war or we’re not. A war that is not declared by Congress is an unconstitutional, unlawful war. Therefore, detainees should be transfer to criminal court jurisdiction, war crimes should be instated and trials need to begin. Follow the Constitution and you do not have problems.

    • Michael J.

      Non-uniformed combatants are not covered by the Geneva Convention.

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        Non-uniformed combatants are covered by the Geneva Convention. They are categorized as spies and sabatours. They are allowed trial by military trial and subject to summary execution. Yes, we should stick to the GC.

      • Captain Mike

        We never signed it anyway. Good thing there’s nothing in there about
        slamming planes into office towers, or those guys would REALLY be in trouble in Switzwerland.

    • 45caliber


      You really need to go back and check the voting. Congress did vote on this – and most Democrats voted for it. Further, as far as I know, there are no American laws that forbid us to use torture. The Geneva Convention carefully disclaims anyone who are not members of a military and wear their uniform. The Convention rules say that such people are NOT soldiers and are NOT covered.

      Actually, I’m rather proud of how America has done in this war. We haven’t degenerated to the level of our enemies by torture, beheadings, murder of innocent people to frighten others, etc.

    • Stan Smith

      Screw the Geneva Convention The enemy never follows the Geneva Convention Why should we! If the enemy torture our fighting men and women we should return the favor! The terrorist should be tortured Look what the radical ragheads did to people who cooperated to rat out the terrorist, and our boys been captured they been tortured and killed!

  • Vic

    Oh, and by the way, I am a Republican.

    • Michael J.

      That’s OK, we won’t hold it against you.

    • Dogma-Free “The Trinity”

      @Vic – haha…I wouldn’t go around telling too many people that these days, as ‘Republican’ is a dirty word.

      And since the so-called, ‘Libs’, are now more conservative than the so-called ‘CONservatives’, these days…it’s almost better to tell people you’re a Mexican-American of no political affiliation!

      • JJ

        According to the last election Dem is a bad word and the way this administration is going it will be for some time.

  • Robert

    Truth is we haven’t had a “Constitutional Government” since the 1800′s! Our government since that period metamorphosed to “Organized Crime in it’s purest form.” Anything the Mafia is capable of and then some. The only way to solve this problem is for our Court Systems to grow some testes, get a spine and follow the Constitution to the letter. Our Courts were installed by our forefathers to oversee the legislative and administrative bodies as a means of check and balance.

  • Teresa

    Why have they never charged or brought up Clinton or Holder in any of their cases of torture? They far exceded Bush…or is it just the bias media?

    • trut

      Far exceeded Bush? Teresa your parents were obviously too closely related for you to be spewing such nonsense.

  • steve

    vic your an idiot, how would you purpose we fight the war against terrorism say please stop doing that, circumstances prevent us from fighting fair simply because they don,t fight fair do you not understand many innocent people have to die before people like you wake up.

  • Bert Cundle


    • Casey

      Dear Bert,

      Takes two to be civil. One to cause a fight. We have been fairly civil for the most part (with some lapses, admittedly). They have not.

  • Sam Vazquez

    Have you numbskulls preaching for the rights of the terriorests forgotten the “BEHEADINGS” and the “TORTURING” that our armed-forces have endured. All of you bleeding hearts need to take your head out of your a– and look at the world as it really is. Why should we be tied to a set of rules and the other side totally ignor those same resrtictions. Don’t try giveing me the excuse that we should be more civilized, you can’t be civilized when you’re dealing with mad-dog extreamists. Look at what the Islam radicals have in mind for THE WHOLE WORLD “live under Sharia law or DIE”. If you don’t understand this you must be living under a rock.

    • Bert Cundle

      Obviously you don’t have any perception of CIVILITY! BASIC: RESPECT THE “RIGHTS” OF OTHERS! & THE “RIGHT” TO SELF DEFENSE!

      • 45caliber

        You do the same thing. Allow us the right to protect ourselves.

        • Bert Cundle

          The Differance between Parinoia & Fear IS: FEAR HAS “REASON”! You Can Claim that Defending Yourself is KILLING ALL other thimgs Living. THAT Is Paranoia… ILLNESS!!!!! DANGER TO PUBLIC!

          • 45caliber

            You aren’t paranoid if someone really IS trying to kill you …

        • Dogma-Free “The Trinity”

          @45caliber – Rest assured…if anyone is trying to kill you, it’ll be another gun-toting, trigger-happy, NRA-loving Republican…but he’ll just claim you were trying to break into his car or something.

          Also…we don’t torture and/or behead captives, BECAUSE WE’RE BETTER THAN THE PEOPLE WHO DO!

          …or at least, I believe we were at one time.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Bert Cundle,
        Was it “self defense’ when they beheaded a news reporter trying to tell their side of the story?? Oh, and BTW, he left a wife and Two kids, I believe!!! Oh, and he was unarmed at the time as well!!

        • Bert Cundle

          To punish anyone not Guilty, is CRIMINAL, & Dangerious to Public! Bombing Cities For the Crash into two of the worlds Buildings IS CRIMINAL!!!

          • http://personallibertydigest Robert Smith

            Where are you from Bert Cundle???

    • Bert Cundle

      Look at what the Islam radicals have in mind for THE WHOLE WORLD “live under Sharia law or DIE”. If you don’t understand this you must be living under a rock.///////////\\An This is my UNDERSTANDING of THAT: Live under Sharia law, or DIE of Old age like everyone will in a piecful life. LET The MUSLEMS / ISLAMIC / KORAN People Handle there one Radicals! UNTILL I NEED TO “DEFEND ” MY SELF FROM OTHERS, I OBSERVE!

      • Gary G.

        Bert, you are a true liberal progressive lemming that deserves whatever the enemies of the USA have in store for you.

        As we speak, the liberal courts are recognizing Sharia law in lieu of US in the courts today.

        You, Reid and Pelosi deserve the same fate as do the rest of the liberal Marxist communists in the USA today that protect and coddle the true enemies of the USA.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        how about you answer my question??? Was it self defense????

        • Dogma-Free “The Trinity”

          @Joe H. – Whaddya know, Joe? *wink*

          What say I field that one for ya, hey?

          Was it self-defense?

          Well, kinda…seeing as they are tired of us (meaning the CIA) meddling in their country’s affairs over these past 65 years or so…so since we (meaning our meddlesome right-wing government, at the behest of their ultra-wealthy, white ‘christian’ controllers) are trying to control their lives to suit our (again, meaning the ultra-rich, who then fund the Republican campaigns) financial, political, and religious agendas.

          So, really, it was guerrilla warfare, and they were trying to get us (meaning the stunned ones who don’t get it) to listen, and have their voices heard…cuz obviously them just asking, begging, and pleading hasn’t worked at all for them.

          Again, is it wrong? Yes, of course it is.

          Which is EXACTLY why WE SHOULDN’T DO IT.

          I hope that was clear enough for you.

        • Bert Cundle

          Protceting ones self. War means… No Rules in combat! Win At any Price. Loose? Everything! (Surender “can be” an excepeted defeat) but, doesan’t have to be! Death of opponent, is victory!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            If you truly believe that, then do NOT say another word about Bush being guilty of war crimes!!!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Bert? HEYB BERT??? You still here or did you run away???

  • Hersh

    When evil men take up weapons to fight good men unfortunatly must also. I do not like us being the worlds police but at the same time I don’t think we can stand by when we are attacked on our own land. If you who say we are unjust in our methods do not like how we do it, feel free to move to Pakistan, Iran or any Arab country. Try saying what you don’t like there.

    • Bert Cundle


      • 45caliber

        You are one of THOSE idiots, huh? I’ll know to ignore all your other posts.

        • Hersh

          Right on 45. Nuff said!

      • tim

        Bert, please don’t show your’e ignorance

        • trut

          Another apologist for the Zionist state Tim, predictable. Your ilk when get yours in time.

        • Bert Cundle

          Ignorance? WHY HAVEN’T THE TWIN TOWERS BEEN REBUILT? THEY WERN’T WANTED ANY MORE… THE NEW WORLD GOVERNMENT WANTS TRADE ABOLISHED! The way to stop trade is to bring Countries to their Knees. World in a Ressession ~ Depression Than All Are EQUAL. ( It’s Working…)

    • 45caliber

      I think what you said is something the progressives can’t admit. If someone evil takes up weapons, they are certain that they can sit down with such a person and convince them to be goodness and light. If nothing else, they can buy their peace. After all, no one would do something evil if we didn’t make them, right? All we should have to do is appologize and give them money.

      After all, the only evil people in the world are those in our own country who refuses to admit that we are wrong. Or refuse to give them our money so they can give it away.

      • Bert Cundle

        $ (Money) Playes NO PART in This! $ Can’t bring back the dead! Appology is hollow with out Quitting the Wrongs!

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Tell your hero Nobummer that! I’m sick of him appologising to the world!!

  • Angel

    Too bad Bush didn’t go – would have loved to see him taken off in chains at the airport to a secret detention camp. They could try to waterboard him, but he’s dead from the neck up so no one would notice a difference.

  • jopa

    When Bush Cheney Rummy and Wolfowitz are finally captured and tried for war crimes wouldn’t it be cool if they were all locked up together in Gitmo.But no torture though.That is against true American values that they never had.There value was the almighty dollar that they could steal as war profiteers and torturers.

    • Teresa

      In 1997, after Holder became Deputy Attorney General, Justice Department prosecutors realized they had no legal right to hold Qassim. Holder, according to our source, went to see President Clinton and told him about the problem with holding Qassim in the United States, stressing that the United States was legally bound to release Qassim.
      Clinton told Holder to send Qassim to someone else. Holder arranged to have Qassim flown to Egypt where he was put into a small crate, tortured, and eventually executed by Egyptian authorities.
      Holder has long been a coddler of torturous regimes. In 2004, while a partner with Covington and Burling, Holder worked out a plea agreement for his client, Chiquita Brands International, in which the firm agreed to pay a fine of $25 million for making cash payments to the Colombian right-wing death squad paramilitary force, the United Self-Defense Forces of Colombia. The AUC carried out systematic assassinations of trade union activists, peasants, politicians, and leftist guerrillas in Colombia.
      In July 1998, Holder signed off on the transport of two members of the Egyptian Jihad, captured by Albanian security forces in Albania, to Cairo by the CIA on a chartered extraordinary rendition aircraft. The Egyptians were tortured and executed.
      Egyptian torture methods included hanging prisoners by all four limbs and placing electric nodules on their genitals, nipples, and feet. The CIA paid Egypt handsomely to carry out the torture program.
      Holder and White House chief of staff Leon Panetta had signed off on the CIA’s pre-9/11 rendition program with Egypt. During his confirmation hearings for Attorney General in May 2009, Holder was asked by Senators Lamar Alexander (R-TN) and Richard Shelby (R-AL) about his role in renditions as Deputy Attorney General for Clinton.
      Holder admitted that extraordinary renditions occurred during the Clinton administration. However, neither Alexander nor Shelby asked Holder how many individuals were renditioned during his time as Deputy Attorney General. Holder was also not asked what torture countries received the kidnapped prisoners from the United States.
      WMR has learned that George W. Bush’s chief policy adviser, Karl Rove, restrained Republican senators from delving into too many details with Holder at his confirmation hearing.
      Rove was aware that the Bush administration also used Egypt as a renditioned prisoner recipient country. But Rove was also concerned about secrets being revealed about his own deals with Sweden to turn terrorist suspects over to the CIA for subsequent torture in Egypt.
      In December 2001, Sweden arrested Ahmed Agiza and Muhammad al-Zery, two Egyptian asylum seekers who lived in Sweden.
      Delivered to CIA agents at Bromma airport outside of Stockholm, the two Egyptians were handcuffed and chained after having suppositories containing drugs inserted into their anuses. The two Egyptians were then flown to Cairo where they were imprisoned and tortured. The rendition plane used was a Gulfstream V, owned by Premier Executive Transport Services, a CIA front company located in Dedham, Massachusetts. The tail number is N379P.
      The Swedish parliament and the UN later determined that Sweden violated Swedish and international law, respectively, by transferring the two Egyptians to the CIA and, ultimately to Egypt. Al Zery received $500,000 in compensation from the Swedish government.
      Rove has known Holder since President Reagan appointed him as a judge on the Superior Court of the District of Columbia in 1988.
      All of Reagan’s judicial appointments were subject to vetting by Rove and his friends in the right-wing Federalist Society.
      CIA’s rendition program started under President Clinton and with Eric Holder’s approval.
      Rove, who has had a long relationship with Sweden, reportedly phoned then-Swedish Prime Minister Goran Persson and told him that Sweden must hand Agiza and al-Zehy over to the United States.
      WMR has learned from our source that Swedish Foreign Minister Anna Lindh also received a personal phone call and e-mail from Rove in which it was demanded that the two Egyptians be turned over to the Americans.
      Lindh was apparently opposed to the request but was overruled by Persson, who was a friend of Bill Clinton and a champion of Clinton’s and British Prime Minister Tony Blair’s “Third Way’ globalist movement.
      Lindh was stabbed by an assailant in Stockholm on September 10, 2003 and she died from her wounds on September 11. A Serbian-Swede was found guilty of the murder but his conviction was later overturned after he was pronounced mentally ill.
      There are suspicions that Lindh, an outspoken critic of America’s invasion of Iraq and Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians, was assassinated by CIA or Egyptian agents who were worried about her knowledge of the CIA’s Egyptian and other rendition programs.
      The man who ran Egypt’s torture program on behalf of the CIA was Omar Suleiman, the feared head of the Egyptian General Intelligence Directorate (EGID), who was named by President Hosni Mubarak as Vice President after the popular rebellion against Mubarak’s regime swept Egypt.
      Suleiman was a recipient of large cash payments from the CIA for EGID’s torture of prisoners delivered to Egypt by the CIA under both the Clinton and George W. Bush administrations.
      Suleiman also maintained close contacts with Mossad on issues dealing with Palestine and Syria. Suleiman also served as a member of a CIA-sponsored group of Arab intelligence service chiefs working against Iran. The group included Suleiman, CIA director Michael Hayden, Jordanian chief Mohamed Dahabi, Saudi intelligence head Prince Moqrin bin Abdulaziz, and United Arab Emirates national security council head Sheikh Hazaa bin Zayed al Nahyan.
      In 2001, Suleiman personally witnessed the torture of Mamdouh Habib, an Australian citizen renditioned by the CIA from Pakistan to Egypt. Habib was given repeated electric shocks, beaten, and waterboarded as Suleiman looked on. Habib was eventually renditioned again by the CIA from Egypt to Guantanamo, his “confession,” obtained under Suleiman’s torture techniques, used against him by the United States.
      In December 2009, Suleiman traveled to Israel to meet with Netanyahu, Israeli President Shimon Peres, Mossad chief Meir Dagan, Defense Minister Ehud Barak, and Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman. Israel had extended an open door to Suleiman and he made several trips to Israel during his tenure as Egypt’s top spy. It was Suleiman who tightened Egypt’s border controls on Gaza, furthering the misery of the people of the world’s largest engineered ghetto.
      In 1993, Suleiman ordered his intelligence service to conduct a “census”
      of all “Arab-Afghans” living in Peshawar, Pakistan, and surrounding areas. They were all veterans of the CIA mujaheddin war against the Soviets in Afghanistan — Egyptians, Libyans, Yemenis, Jordanians, Palestinians, Algerians, Sudanese, Bahrainis, Tunisians.
      The census database soon contained thousands of names and Suleiman and his colleague, Saudi intelligence chief Prince Turki bin Faisal, added additional names of Pakistani and Afghan supporters of such Islamist groups as Harkatul Ansar and Ahl al -Hadith, all of whom came under the operational control of CIA and British MI-6 Afghanistan field operative, Osama Bin Laden.
      British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook wrote about the census database in The Guardian on July 8, 2005, “Al-Qaida, literally ‘the database,’ was originally the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to defeat the Russians.”
      In fact, by conducting the census of the “Arab-Afghans” in Pakistan, the actual founder of “Al Qaeda” is the new Vice President of Egypt, Israel’s closest Egyptian friend, Omar Suleiman.
      No wonder, Mubarak had to cover his tracks by revealing in June 2002, that Suleiman warned his CIA counterparts a week before 9/11 that Bin Laden was in the final stages of launching a major attack on the United States but that no one realized that the plan included the use of passenger planes to attack buildings.
      Mubarak’s and Suleiman’s “plausible deniability” protected themselves and the Israelis, especially important since “lead hijacker” Mohammad Atta, was supposedly an Egyptian.
      Regardless of the statements from President Obama that Mubarak must leave office “now,” it is clear that the waffling by the Obama administration is intended to buy time for the CIA to appropriate the Egyptian government’s torture and rendition files that date back to Holder’s original authorization of the program.
      Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s major goal is to limit the damage to her husband from any disclosure of documents by a new Egyptian reform government about her husband’s role in the CIA’s use of Egypt to detain and torture prisoners.
      CIA director Leon Panetta is also trying to avoid the torture rap from his time as President Clinton’s chief of staff.
      The CIA has embarked on a policy of suppressing the Egyptian revolution until all potentially embarrassing documents and computer files held by Suleiman’s EGID and other Egyptian government agencies can be successfully removed from Egypt to the United States.
      The CIA recalls how partially shredded and un-shredded classified CIA documents at the U.S. embassy in Tehran were obtained by students who took over the embassy and, unlike the suspiciously-redacted Wikileaks cables, were soon published for the world to see, CIA agents names and all.
      In fact, the long-cut shredders used to destroy the documents were a blessing for the Iranians who handed the spaghetti-like shreds to Iran’s best carpet weavers to reconstruct them in practically their original form.
      The EGID and other Egyptian intelligence and security agencies have likely amassed tons of files on CIA activities over the past several decades and the potential for the release of documents concerning all the CIA operations that involved Egypt — the 1980 October Surprise, Iran-contra, CIA arms smuggler Edwin Wilson’s operations in Libya, repeated covert efforts against Saddam Hussein in Iraq, arms smuggling by the CIA to other African nations through the warehouse at Cairo West airport, and the CIA’s nurturing of “Al Qaeda” for the mujaheddin war in Afghanistan and 9/11 — has Langley shaking over the possibility that a reform government will reveal the dirty little secrets of the CIA and successive American presidents going back to Ronald Reagan.
      The CIA has been behind the scenes in Egypt advising the security forces and army on suppressing the popular uprising in order to delay the clock for Mubarak and his regime.
      The International Network for Rights and Development reported that three Israeli cargo planes arrived at Cairo’s Mina International Airport on January 28 carrying large amounts of gas used for dispersing large crowds.
      There were also reports of U.S. and Israeli counter-insurgency personnel being dispatched to Egypt to assist the regime in suppressing the rebellion.
      Other reports emanating from Egypt claimed that Israeli professional provocateurs were among the pro-Mubarak “demonstrators” who attacked peaceful demonstrators in Tahrir Square, resulting in an outbreak of deadly violence on February 3.
      Israel has a long history of such activities in Egypt, including the infamous 1954 Lavon affair that, if successful, would have seen “false flag” Israeli terrorist attacks on U.S. targets in Cairo that would later be blamed on Egypt, eliciting a military response by the United States on Egypt.
      The CIA has a special procurement program that is used to buy sensitive items from foreign governments. “Sterility codes” are used by the CIA to designate the “degree of traceability” that is used for the procurement of off-shore purchases of foreign items, such as crowd control gas from Israel for use by Egypt.
      The records of the purchases are likely to be found in “Local Procurement” records maintained by the CIA stations in Cairo and Tel Aviv.
      The CIA’s last-ditch support for the Mubarak regime is strikingly similar to its support for the Shah of Iran in his final days in power.
      As with the revolt against Mubarak in Egypt, the uprising against Shah Mohammed Reza Pahlavi in 1978 came as a shock to the CIA. On December 2, 1978, two million people filled Tehran’s Shahyad (now Azadi) Square demanding that the Shah step down.
      Almost two million people similarly filled Cairo’s Tahrir Square demanding that Mubarak step down.
      In the months preceding the mass demonstration in Tehran, Iranian security forces massacred thousands of people. Iranian opposition forces claimed that Israel’s Mossad provided assistance for the massacres to Iran’s feared SAVAK security agency.
      The CIA, to the very end, also provided assistance to the Shah’s government. Some 75 CIA agents were dispatched to Iran along with more than a hundred private contractor operatives, all retired U.S. military and intelligence operatives.
      These agents worked closely with members of the Iranian military and SAVAK, many of whom had received training in the United States.
      Similarly, a number of Egyptian officers and non-commissioned officers, as well as EGID agents, received training in the United States.
      Just as President Obama dispatched Frank G. Wisner, Jr., former U.S.
      ambassador to Egypt and reputed CIA agent-of-influence, to talk to Mubarak, a close friend of Wisner, President Jimmy Carter, in November 1978, asked former U.S. ambassador to Iran and former CIA director Richard Helms, a personal friend of the Shah, to conduct liaison between the White House and the Shah.
      During his time as CIA director, Helms authorized the training of SAVAK officials in torture techniques. The CIA and Mossad coordinated their pro-Shah efforts in Iran.
      As the Shah’s position weakened, the Pentagon sent crowd control vehicles to Iran that were equipped with water cannons. Contingency plans were drawn up by the Pentagon and the National Security Council for the U.S. to dispatch troops to Iran to put down the popular rebellion and save the Shah and his Peacock Throne.
      SAVAK agents were also trained by the CIA to infiltrate anti-Shah groups and report on their plans. Other CIA provocateurs were believed to have infiltrated Iranian student groups that later took over the U.S. embassy in Tehran.
      There is a belief by many intelligence agents at the time that the most egregious incidents carried out by the students after they took over the embassy and held U.S. personnel hostage were committed by CIA and Mossad infiltrators bent on bringing about a swift U.S. military move against Iran and prevent Ayatollah Khomeini from taking power.
      In the world of the CIA, the playbook never seems to change.

      • 45caliber


        Do you actually expect jopa to read all this? Like most progressives, his/her attention span is far too short. Besides, it doesn’t fit his/her idea of what the world should be like.

      • Dan az

        thanks for the truth!I would love to add that site to my list!

    • Gary G.

      Jopa, you sound like you are a pro terrorist and anti government radical. I hope you are living in another country, if not, I hope you are exposed as the radical traitor you seem to be.

    • trut

      Why talk about Holder, Teresa? this story is about Bush and how Bush should be tried for war crimes. No need to bring up a red herring for Holder’s ill doings.

  • 45caliber

    What is torture?

    Is it injury for the fun of it? Is it injury to kill someone in pain because you hate them? Is it a method to intimidate others by threat? Is it a way to acquire needed information to save lives?

  • Gary G.

    Water boarding seems to be the main issue regarding torture at the present time, war is nasty and ugly as it should be, extreme measures need to be implemented to bring about at the very least, a truce or eventually the capitulation of the opposing entity.

    It would seem that the liberal progressives and the communist main stream media would have everyone believe there can be such a thing as a nice war with no collateral damage of human life or infrastructures.

    The last time America won a war was WW11, Ask yourselves why?

    The US and it’s allies were able to break the hearts and backs of it’s enemies through shear force and the resolve to end that war as quickly as possible by whatever means necessary.

    The main reasons we are unable to win a war or “POLICE ACTION” since, is simple,today our military is handcuffed with the so called rules of engagement,the field officers are unable to make tactical field decisions without conferring with superior officers thousands of miles away that dictate how the field commanders will handle a given situation. STUPID!

    • 45caliber

      When WWII was over Eisenhower ran for President and won. He would have won regardless of which party he was in. And it made the politicians mad. How dare someone who only served in the military step in and take the place of someone who had earned it in politics!

      So ever since they have made every effort to insure no military person gets enough fame to challenge one of them. And to make sure, they tie the hands of the military. They tend to discredit and replace any general who might actually succeed in a win. Wars are started primarily to get the people’s attention off some domestic problem and ended when that domestic problem is out of the way. Winning is not an issue and isn’t to be allowed.

      • trut

        Kennedy was from the military, 45 calibre. What about Bush’s war crimes?

      • Gary G.

        YES, 45, you are right on!!! The military complex wants and needs our existing wars and the wars that are already planned in our near future.

        War is about the trillions of dollars that they produce, the pitiful part is all the other countries in the world are in it for the same reasons.

        Do you really think that the US would give Palestine $600M a year in aid if they were not warring with Israel? Do you think we would give Israel over $3Billion a year if they were not at odds with the rest of Islam. Follow the money folks!!!!!!

  • trut

    GaryG, Your idea of a police action is when you and your boyfriend get “caught” in any number of southern states.

    • Gary G.

      The real realities of police actions are Korea and Vietnam….Way before your time and beyond your understanding!

  • 45caliber

    Are you truly afraid?

    The following is part of an article put out by “Downsizer Dispatch”.

    “Fear is the orthodox American position.
    And we believe we must challenge this fear with a powerful heresy.
    We hope that you will take the time to give our heresy careful consideration, and perhaps join with us in shouting to the world . . .
    “I Am Not Afraid!”
    Here’s the argument . . .
    Terrorists aim to cause fear, and by feeling fear we’ve given them what they want.
    But this also means that we can win the war on terror instantly, simply by NOT being afraid.
    This will defeat the terrorists’ intentions immediately, and completely.
    Our new-found courage will also correspond to reality, because fearing the terrorists is like a cat fearing a mouse. All the terrorists in the world amount to no more than an anemic mosquito on the snout of a whale.
    Can we stop being afraid?

    Can you?

    Here’s what it means to not be afraid . . .
    Here’s what it means to fight a real war on terror . . .
    And here’s what it means to win that war, instantly . . .

    It means that you do not participate in the public hysteria when terrorists attack, but instead react proportionally, placing the terrorist act in its proper place in the vast scheme of crimes, accidents, disease, natural disaster, and generic tragedy that is man’s lot on earth.

    It means that you do not permit the politicians to feel terror on your behalf. It means that you discourage them from fomenting and exploiting hysteria to expand their own power at the expense of traditional American principles.

    It means that you declare your lack of fear to the politicians, and recruit others to adopt your war winning strategy of not being afraid.

    BY: Perry Willis
    Vice President, Inc.

    You can read the whole thing at:

  • chuckb


    i have to hand it to you progressives, take a little truth mix it with
    conjecture add some left wing marxist ideaology and you have what you present BS

    • Dan az

      So chuck Y
      Why dont you prove her wrong and we will wait for your facts to prove it!

  • wilma lanier

    45Caliber: I agree with you mostly. There has never been a war without torture. The enemy does not graciously answer questions that will help us end the war. Turns out waterboarding is really one of the lesser means and a doc was present, in case. If the dissenters who are still trying to make Obama look good cause they did such a good job of making Bush look bad, if they can read and if they dare, “Decision Points” by George Bush will tell you exactly what went into the whole process and what the people who helped him make the decision, knowing what the Demos would do with it, reasoned. Way
    too many in our country do not use the brain God gave them, preferring to join the riotous crowd and be one of the sheep.

  • wilma lanier

    It is above my name. what else do you need. What “website”? is all I know.

  • Bert Cundle

    How long has it been, to stop the Catholic Church From Tortureing their own & Ouhers to convert?

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Just remember one thing. the next target of the terrorists could include YOUR family as well as your friends!!
      then again I think that might be the reason for your words, you are afraid of them and you seek to appease them with words of support. Well, I have news for you bert, you stick out your hand in friendship to THOSE people and they will take the hand off your arm!!!

      • Bert Cundle

        My Foe Has All Ready Destroyed All of Me & Mine… EAXEPT MY SELF RESPECT!!!

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Glad you don’t speak for all! I and a lot of others here haven’t even started yet!!!

  • Chris

    Too bad someone tipped him off.

  • http://com i41

    Bert, I’m not a Catholic, but I have never heard of any Christian planning to convert or kill every non beleiver to become a goat abusing pervert. You must be a freak muslim rg romping sicko. Do I not trust Mslims, you damn right I don’t, if the can take and over power anyone by numbers they will. Their core values are of total domination and if given the chance will enforce their pervert ideology on everything, kind of like all liberials want to. Would I exterminate the pervs, if my family and other Christians are threatened, it will be one ugly sence and every one knows which side Onumnutts will back. Why do you think loads of Palistian terrorist were shipped in by the marxist muslim moron paid for by our tax dollars, or all area of the USA are getting over crowded with pedophile worshipping muslims.

    • Bert Cundle

      You want to Quit Paying for the Claimed Terrorest? Quit Buying Gas & Oil! Don’t Go to the Market. Don’t Pay TAXES…

    • Bert Cundle


      • http://?? Joe H.

        Thanks bert,
        you just told me in one statement what and who you are!!! You are a lying muslim loving sicko!!!! since you love them so much why don’t you go live with, son!!!

        • Bert Cundle

          When you are wrong … you are realy Wrong!!! Hope you never get athority!

  • chuckb


    i believe some comments are coming from muslims. in an email received today:
    The massive inbreeding in Muslim culture may well have done virtually
    irreversible damage to the Muslim gene pool, including extensive
    damage to its intelligence, sanity, and health.

    According to Sennels, close to half of all Muslims in the world are
    inbred. In Pakistan, the numbers approach 70%. Even in England, more
    than half of Pakistani immigrants are married to their first cousins,
    and in Denmark the number of inbred Pakistani immigrants is around 40%.

    The numbers are equally devastating in other important Muslim
    countries: 67% in Saudi Arabia, 64% in Jordan, and Kuwait, 63% in
    Sudan, 60% in Iraq, and 54% in the United Arab Emirates and Qatar .

    According to the BBC, this Pakistani, Muslim-inspired inbreeding is
    thought to explain the probability that a British Pakistani family is
    more than 13 times as likely to have children with recessive genetic
    disorders. While Pakistanis are responsible for three percent of the
    births in the UK , they account for 33% of children with genetic birth defects.

    • Bert Cundle

      But Keeping with in ones own race… Is far better than mixing Species! Mix Races, is Horid!

      • http://?? Joe H.

        BRAINLESS BERT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Jean Geary


  • Leo Corion

    Posse comitatus
    remains the only recourse when the failure to impeach a tyrannical government destroys the balance of power.

  • WhatWillAYouDoWithoutFreedom

    I’ll bet American soldiers that have been tortured by foreign countries would love to have been water boarded instead of what they got. You guys that think water boarding is worthy of war crimes are a bunch of limp wrist fairy’s. If the enemy ever wanted info from you all they’d have to do is ask, hell it would not surprise me if you didn’t volunteer it. According to this crowd sleep deprivation is torture, asking the same question to many times is torture. I’ll tell you what is torture is reading these comments written by a bunch of libs.
    Don’t forget to include your beloved Pelosi in your charges, she knew all about it, as a matter of fact everyone that needed to know about it knew about it. It was not a problem until a bunch of sorry ass libs decided that betraying their country was acceptable as long as it got the head Republican in charge.
    If any charges need to be brought, it needs to be treason charges against the people that would rather American citizens be sacrificed to terrorism rather than simulate the drowning of a terrorist.
    The water boarding victim walked away with all body parts working. Can you libs say the same for the victims of your local neighbor hood terrorist that you want to protect.

  • Andy From Arizona

    I do not understand these big boys they don’t even know their own law, and half of them or more are lawyers. they ignore the fact that TREASON,
    of war, and we are in war with AFGHANISTAN are we not? So if prosecution does come about ( Vince Bugliosi ) the Bush’s, Cheney must
    give back 1 Trill to the people & the treasury first. Then it has to go all the way to the bottom because this mass must not ever happen in these FREE UNITED STATES. The CONSTITUTION is to our country like the BIBLE to religions know it and obey it.


    • Bert Cundle


  • Andy From Arizona



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