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Bush Administration ‘Guilty’ Of War Crimes

May 14, 2012 by  

Bush Administration ‘Guilty’ Of War Crimes
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A tribunal has found members of the Bush Administration guilty of war crimes.

Last week, the War Crimes Tribunal in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, found former President George W. Bush guilty of the crime of torture and war crimes.

The verdict was delivered by a five-panel tribunal that also found former Vice President Dick Cheney; former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld; Alberto Gonzales, former counsel to Bush; David Addington, former general counsel to the Vice President; William Haynes, former general counsel to the Secretary of Defense; former Assistant Attorney General Jay Bybee; and John Yoo, former Deputy Assistant Attorney-General guilty of war crimes.

The Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Commission is an initiative of the Kuala Lumpur Foundation to Criminalize War, an organization created by former Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad in 2007 to examine abuses of Western governments in Iraq, Lebanon and the Palestinian territories.

Though the commission has no real authority, it carried out the hearings like a legal proceeding complete with a presiding panel of five retired judges and legal scholars, along with prosecutors, defense counsel and witnesses. The result of the commission’s guilty verdict will be that the names of the persons found guilty will be entered in the Commission’s Register of War Criminals.

The group says that because war crimes are covered by universal jurisdiction, the tribunal judgments “can be used by any government to arrest and subject convicted persons to a trial.”

After a four-day hearing in November regarding the commission of crimes against peace during the Iraq war, the Tribunal put Bush’s name on the list along with former British Prime Minister Tony Blair and urged nations to arrest the two men.

Sam Rolley

Staff writer Sam Rolley began a career in journalism working for a small town newspaper while seeking a B.A. in English. After learning about many of the biases present in most modern newsrooms, Rolley became determined to find a position in journalism that would allow him to combat the unsavory image that the news industry has gained. He is dedicated to seeking the truth and exposing the lies disseminated by the mainstream media at the behest of their corporate masters, special interest groups and information gatekeepers.

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  • cawmun cents

    No shortage of Kangaroo’s in that court.-CC.

    • cawmun cents

      Which of my two shoes should I toss at these charlatans first?
      The left shoe to voice my contempt of their human rights record,or the right one to voice my contempt of all their other conditions?
      Maybe I’ll just tug their undergarments up over their heads from behind?
      Cheers!
      -CC.

    • eddie47d

      So are you saying that the USA should continue their warmongering around the world and always be immune to criticism or punishment. Some of our conflicts are blantant false flag wars such as Iraq and a bigger part of the world is more aware of our actions. I believe Malaysia should be as concerned about their neighbors in Myanmar who for years were brutally dictatorial. There are plenty of countries out there that deserve scorn such as Syria so there is no shortage of criminals in leadership positions.

      • http://naver samurai

        Don’t you also mean Lybia, Yemen, and Uganda? Why should we take a lot of guff from a muslim country? This is just like asking “Why didn’t the muslim world take care of Iraq, Afghanistan, and Lybia?” Shouldn’t the world be blaming the arabs for not containing and controling these situations? Don’t forget Ed, Bush had approval of the House and Senate before going to the Middle East. Obama bin Laden had not votes before going into Lybia. Just remember this when it comes to November:

        “Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the priviledge and interest of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers.”

        John Jay – October 12, 1816

        This is what happens when you elect a pretender and liar to the Oval Office. When get blamed for things by the world and the better president gets blamed for everything. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • http://http//yahoo.com sophillyjimmy

        Eddie, I think that as long as we are in the UN, we will always be the police of the world. So if you don’t want us getting involved in world conflicts, do like I do and insist that our government get the feck out of the UN.
        That would be the common sense approach instead of condemning our former president of war crimes.

        While your at it, tell Obama to shove the UN’s Small Arms ban as far up his arse as he could, you know the one I am taling about, where Hillary Clinton put her signiture on in behlaf or our Dictator and Chief?

  • Toxick1

    What a CROCK!!!! Why don’t they try the Taliban? Cutting off heads on television seems like a war crime to me.

    • Robert Smith

      Right wing “logic”: “Cutting off heads on television seems like a war crime to me.”

      Sure does, but it doesn’t absolve others who may have committed criminal acts.

      Rob

      • FreedomFighter

        War is criminal Rob unless it is justified.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • Robert Smith

        Find any weapons of mass distruction yet?

        Sure means the war in Iraq was unjustified.

        Rob

      • http://naver samurai

        We found their mobile labs, buried equipment, and they had yellow cake uranium sent to Syria and then to Canada. They also used NBC weapons against the Kurds and others. Rob’s rantings are just that, rantings. He never has any proof of anything. If you think they didn’t have any WMD’s, then ask any soldier who came back with Gulf War Syndrome. Many of these cases were caused by exposure to gas and germ agents. Neeeeed to be making that popping sound. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • http://http//yahoo.com sophillyjimmy

        What is the left wing logic Robert, since Obama is so in favor of same sex marriage should we now have to watch two fanoiks packing each others fudge on the air?

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Sharon Taylor

    Was there any doubt abut the outcome? How about a guilty verdict for Mulim terrorists? What am I saying? How could anyone think “the religion of peace” would do anything even remotely like that? What a bunch of idiots!

    • Robert Smith

      Posted: “How could anyone think “the religion of peace” would do anything even remotely like that? ”

      How’s ’bout an inquisiiton or three. Crusades anyone? Hey! Get your indulgences today with a special discount…

      Rob

      • Nobody’s Fool

        Rob, Rob, you need to go back to bed and get up on the other side. Seems you rolled out on the left this morning. Let me guess….you’re a Bush-Cheney hater. You would justify oBlamer’s crimes against America, right?? You think he’s doing a great job, right? He orchestrated the sale of guns across the border that led to Americans being killed. He writes Executive Orders to go over the heads of Congress because he knows the representatives of the American people will not pass his Communist Muslim agenda. He knows he is an unconstitutional president. And this is just the tip of the iceberg listing his crimes against America. Rob, those seem like war crimes to me–the war being the struggle of America to survive this illegal Imposter-in-Chief and the idiots who elected him. (Well, elected is not the right term, since so many dead people voted for him).

        • Ivan Boatwright

          I believe you need to study history and not be a fool.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000254545986 Lee Carlson

        Robert, let us not forget that far more Muslims have been killed at the hands of their fellow Muslims than have been killed by “infidels”.

      • You’re nobody’s fool

        Well said Nobody’s fool, it’s about time to recognize a communist and Obama fills those shoes well.

      • http://naver samurai

        SSDD, eh Rob? Why do you always harp on Christians, when the muslims have killed 270 million people, over the centuries, for the glory of allah? Athiests have killed more than 50 million people in modern history, so why don’t you give an attack against them? You are part of the apostasy and the one you idolize, bishop spong, is a heretic. Both of you are bound for hell fire and brimstone. FOR GOD AND COUNTRTY!

  • Jacki

    When is this guy ( Obama ) going to own up that he has not performed the job that the American public hired him to do. He is still blaming Bush 3 + years after he ( Bush ) left office. Give it a break. Own up to the fact that you ( Obama ) are not up to the job.

    • Tim L.

      Jacki,
      Time to grow up and admit that your beloved Bush and Cheney were the worst thing to ever happen to this country, and the world.

      • Jacki

        I am now laughing, at your comment. Boy does this admin have you in their pocket.

      • Tim L.

        Jacki,
        Of course you’re laughing. That’s what you neo-cons do when confronted with truth.

        • Jacki

          Tim,
          neo-con am I. Thanks I am laughing again.

      • Patriot1776

        Saying that Bush and Cheney were the worst thing to ever happen to this country and the world is kind of like saying Hiroshima was good for the environment given where the current POTUS has taken us. I have to believe that the citizens of Iraq might have a different opinion as they actually had to live under conditions that were far from the freedoms that you enjoy, being beaten and tortured at the will of Hussein and his sons. But maybe you think that it wasn’t really that bad.

        Maybe it would have been better if Bush had sent drones over to take out Saddam, then it would have been okay, right? I mean obama did it and you liberals didn’t squack.

        Do you really think that your POTUS has actually done anything to benefit this nation, let alone the world?

      • http://naver samurai

        Bush, baaaaa! Cheney, baaaaa! Wars, baaaaa! Neo-cons, baaaaa! Obaaaaamaaaaa bin Laaaaaden! Chaaaaange! You 5th columners are all the same and never change your overplayed records. SSDD. This COOTUS we have now is the worst person to ever be elected in our nation’s history. He has tried everything humanly possible to destroy this country from the inside and our Constitution. Just remember this about our Constitution:

        “I do not believe that the Constitution was the offspring of inspiration, but I am as perfectly satisfied that the Union of the United States in its form and adoption is as much the work of Divine Providence as any of the miracles recorded in the Old and New Testiment.”

        Benjamin Rush

        Obama bin Laden doesn’t believe in anything but himself, along with what his masters tell him to do. You believe in chaaaaange? How is this chaaaaange working for you? I know many people where it isn’t working for anyone at all. If you want some real chaaaaange, then wait till November and you’ll see some real chaaaaange. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

      • http://http//yahoo.com sophillyjimmy

        When are you going to owe up to the fact that Your Dictator and Chiefs Atorney General should be tried for manslaughter for the death of Border Partol Officer Brian Terry and the untold number of innocent Mexican citizens with his Fast And Furious.
        When are you going to owe up to the fact that Your Dictator and Chief violated his oath of office by stomping on the Constitution numerous times.
        When are you going to owe up to the fact that Your Dictator and Chief more then doubled the federal deficit then al other presidents combined so he could give out welfare for votes.
        People that live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones Tim.

      • Robert Smith

        Samurai says: “P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.”

        No fear here, samurai. Your brutal god doesn’t apply to me.

        I carry a gun because of his over enthusiastic followers and criminals.

        Rob

    • Doc Sarvis

      The accusations and verdict here have NOTHING to do with the current Administration. This is the Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Commission, an initiative of the Kuala Lumpur Foundation to Criminalize War

      • DavidL

        You are correct, Doc. This has nothing to do with President Obama. In point of fact, it has been President Obama that has shielded President Bush and his administration from prosecution for war crimes and other felonies here at home.

        There is no question but Bush, Cheney, Rice, and others committed war crimes. Why do you think they don’t dare leave the country?

      • http://naver samurai

        Both of you 5th columners sound like you are snorting a white, powdery substance. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • http://http//yahoo.com sophillyjimmy

        Yeah Doc and the Kuala Lumpur War Crime Commission has as much authority and power as my buddies and I sitting at a bar talking about Bush/Cheney alleged war crimes.

      • Robert Smith

        Posted: “There is no question but Bush, Cheney, Rice, and others committed war crimes.”

        Yup, and Scooter Libby was CONVICTED and his sentence mostly commuted by Bush for his part in getting folks working with the CIA killed.

        Rob

    • eddie47d

      Looks like there are others blaming Bush so maybe some of you that have fallen asleep under the Bush/Cheney term need to wake up and smell the disasters in the world they helped create. Instead of blaming Obama for what Bush created.

      • Patriot1776

        Eddie, I don’t blame obama for the problems that Bush created. I blame obama for desicrating this great nation, for attempting to destroy our God given freedoms, for attempting to mandate through executive order that I surrender my right to freedom of speech, freedom to bear arms, and freedom of religion. I blame obama for destroying jobs and the economy – under his watch – not Bush’s. I blame obama for hating America.

      • ringgo1

        Oh yes, every thing is Bush’s fault. Obamao is the shining example, kind of like Mohammed.

      • eddie47d

        Obama is hardly a shining example of doing everything right. I have no Messiah complex of him or any other politician including Bush.

      • http://naver samurai

        Baaaaa! Baaaaa! Baaaaa! Baaaaa! Baaaaa! Baaaaa! Baaaaa! Baaaaa! Baaaaa! Baaaaa! BTW, how does it feel that Colorado dumped their civil union law in favor of traditional marriage, Ed? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • http://http//yahoo.com sophillyjimmy

        Yeah Eddie, and I guess Bush/Cheney is to blame for selling semi automatic rifles to Mexican Drug Cartels that killed Border Patrol Officer Brian Terry accorind to eddie47d.
        By the way does 47d stand for how many guys rode up your Hershey Highway? if it does, I don’t think that is something to brag about

    • Well Said Jacki

      Well said Jacki, I think there are too many eating the Obama soup ( chicken-poodle) .

      • http://http//yahoo.com sophillyjimmy

        Well said Patriot !

    • http://http//yahoo.com sophillyjimmy

      Never, I worked in a prison for many years and all the inmates were innocent Jacki, it is just how the criminal mind works.

  • Tim L.

    Bravo to the tribunal!!! Bush and fat arse Cheney should be in prison (at least) for their crimes against humanity.

    • Patriot1776

      I take it that you are one that would praise the terrorists for their accuracy and determination in the murder of thousands of Americans on 9/11? The “war crimes” that you and this group of ignoraenus’ hypocrits amount to nothing more than standing against tyranny, defending the defenseless and standing for democracy. In today’s sorry world it is viewed by some as a crime to stand for higher values and morals. It is also viewed as a crime to stand for yourself and to defend yourself. Bush made his share of mistakes, he was human, but defending America against and enemy with the audacity to strike a civilian target with no military value, killing innocent citizens is not one of his mistakes.

      • Tim L.

        And I take it that you’re just another mindless neo-con who can’t stand to face the truth about your chosen party. Party before country is not patriotism.

      • Mike D.

        I agree with your comments.
        Looks to me like Tim L. needs to take a chill-pill, or at least another few cups of the kool-aide.

      • Patriot1776

        The mindless are the worshippers of the current administration. I do not support the republican party, nor do I worship Bush. I believe in the conservative values that made America the greatest nation in the world. I believe in the strength of the American people and the freedoms that so many of our heroic men and women have fought and died for, the freedoms that allow even you to have your anti-American, anti-democracy, pro-socialist opinions. I believe that God Almighty has blessed this nation with the greatest governmental system in the world and the founding father’s keen insight into what would take to make this nation the most advanced, most powerful nation in the world, although it is the youngest.

        I believe that any man with the ability to reason can look at socialism and it’s failures throughout all of history and see the fact that socialism cannot work.

        I do not follow party lines, but I firmly believe that our Constitution is the best in the world and we must return to following it if we hope to save this great nation and keep this administration from taking us from the greatest nation in the world to a third world country.

      • THG 1956

        Patriot , Your words are words of truth , I don’t know if you do public speaking , but you pretty much said it all with just a few words. Your nic-name speaks volumes and fits the words you speak . Thank you for putting into words what ppl like myself have trouble doing .

      • Donald York

        The trolls are out in full bloom for the Halfrican today.

      • Rick

        His only mistake was not nuking every muslim country off the map and show them what terrorism lthey wouldn’/t be so fast to try this crap now.ooks like up close and personal. Then again had The peanut picker done his job in 79 they wouldn’t be trying this crap now. They would know you mess with us or our people we will hunt you down and bury you no questioned asked.

        • Ivan Boatwright

          get over your ignorance and study your history,not fox (so called) news then make a statement.

      • http://naver samurai

        Well said fellow patriot. Just ignore Ivan as he seems to be a paid 5th column plant. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Ivan Boatwright

          I did my fighting killing.What have you done beside talk. I walked the wALK. Because I am for people more than killing that will never end does not make wrong. I earned my right to speak. If you wish to do so go to war and then I will not agree if you feel the same but I won’t argue with ignorance.

      • samurai

        I did mine in Afghanistan and Iraq, so what’s your point? You may have the right to speak, but get passed the lib nonsense. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Ivan Boatwright

          What you called lib. I call common sense. I will fight America’s enemies and the men of 9/11 were enemies. We are not able to rule the world as England, france, Spain, Etc did in the past. The more we kill the more they hate us and as you they want revenge. Because Bush wanted Pakistan to help in Afghanistan, we allowed the bomb to go to Pakistan. Now the bomb has progressed around the world. It came from Pakistan to N. Korea, Iran, and Libya, among more unknown. Politics and money rule, not people. We are slowly devolving into a government as China evolves into ours. Somewhere they will meet. Money will win and people will loose.

      • Vigilant

        Ivan Boatwrong, what history book are you reading? Pakistan began focusing on nuclear weapons development in January 1972.

        • Ivan Boatwright

          Read my words, I never said he was totally wrong or that he was on watch when the bomb started. I never said republicans were the only party responsible. The scientist that had worked in Netherlands and moved bacd to build a bomb for his country to protect them from India was far along and selling the secretes world wide when Bush knew about the bomb. He and the CIA allowed the project forward to keep Pakistan on our side. The scientist went rogue and sold all muslim countries and others the bomb. We waited until we no longer needed Pakistani help against the soviets. We allowed the friendlier parts of the government to fall apart and the extremest to take over and left. Then after 9/11, we needed them again and that is why they have no faith in our words. We tell the world how wrong they are on human rights and then we do what we condemn them for . Bush put himself above the law and deserves any punishment he gets. He will not because each party must be prepared to lose the next election and face the music. As Hitler said tell a lie long enough and people will believe it.

          http://www.otrcat.com/otr6/complete_broadcast_day_390921_p15_broadcast_day_8pm_otrcat.com_.mp3.

    • eddie47d

      Tim is not defending any terrorist as you are attempting to state. We all know the acts of 9/11 were cowardly. Yet Bush used that day as an excuse to invade a nation who did not cause the harm done to us. I would say Bush lost his moral bearings and became the bully by attacking Iraq. That is not fighting for democracy or having moral fortitude.

      • Jacki

        So edie47d what do you say that Bush should have done about 9-11.

      • eddie47d

        Temporary invasion of Afghanistan to drive al Qaeda out and then removed ourselves. Foreign troops on any soil creates adversaries and lasting hatred by some citizens. What we now have is revenge killings,assassinations and governments that don’t have the ability to confront the wrong doers. (In Iraq and Afghanistan).

    • http://naver samurai

      Would you like some cheese to go with that whine? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • http://http//yahoo.com sophillyjimmy

        Eddie do you cry everynight for those leaders of the sandys that are assassinated? I know I sleep like a baby and never even think about them, I only keep thinking of this coming November when Obama is out and we get our Country back since I never heard Bush assuring his flexibility to the head of Russia who is still our biggest enemy, but should we expect anything else from the Marxist in the White House right now?

  • northbrook

    Another foreign commission with no power attempting to gain recognition. No chance for defense by the accused in a predetermined outcome. Let’s not give them the platform for recognition.

    • ringgo1

      Good post & true.

  • Ike Hayden

    I think we, as Americans, ought to stand up and tell the “Universl Court” to stand down and remember that we take care of our own. No other government has the right to come onto our shores and arrest, threaten, or otherwise intimidate any of our citizens and if they do there will be repercussions. I’m sick to death of other world governments pushing us around as though we are some two-bit country. I was in the Navy to defend and protect the rights and pivileges of United States citizens, and just because I’m no longer active in the military doesn’t mean I have given up my willingness to die for our rights as Americans!

    • eddie47d

      If we “take care of our own” then what did you do to stop Bush/Cheney from committing troops into false wars (aggression). Bush’s false ambitions lead to the Patriot Act and the weakening of our Republic so how do you like those apples? A soldier or citizens responsibility is to defend their nation not aggress against another. I doubt if this Universal Court will go anywhere but at least it might get us to think twice about poking our nose into other countries affairs without serious proof.

      • ringgo1

        Bush, Bush, Bush. Is that all you got? Get a life.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000254545986 Lee Carlson

        eddie, eddie, eddie. Don’t you ever get tired of saying the same old things?

      • eddie47d

        How do you figure Lee Carlson? Now don’t let the cat get your tongue.

      • http://naver samurai

        SSDD, eh Ed? No rest for the 5th column on this site. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Robert Smith

      From Ike: “No other government has the right to come onto our shores and arrest, threaten, or otherwise intimidate any of our citizens and if they do there will be repercussions.”

      I’ll be Afganistan has similar thoughts. Iraq, and how many others?

      We should mostly stay on our own shores and if we don’t we shouldn’t run a war with politics. We should kick butt and get out if it’s proven that another country is responsible for harming us.

      Rob

      • 45caliber

        Rob:

        While I don’t think that the US should have been the one to jump into this mess, someone had to. The governments in both cases were torturing and killing their own people. While you kill people by going in to straighten things out, you also kill people by standing back and saying, “It is none of my business.” I’d rather be guilty of killing people in battle than of being an accomplice in murder.

      • Tim L.

        45 Caliber,
        Need I remind you that we did not invade Afganistan or Iraq in order to protect the people there from being tortured or murdered. Our government didn’t give a damn about those people. Bush/Cheney lied to us and the world about weapons of mass destruction, because they saw there was profit to be made. Remember, also, that Bush/Cheney and their gang of scum condoned the use of torture.

      • 45caliber

        Ted:

        Perhaps you should be reminded. First, we did NOT go into Afghanistan due to WMD’s. We went in to take out the terrorists based there. We did go into Iraq due to WMD’s – and they did have them. It seems that the news media sort of forgot to publish that. They were found buried and they were on satellite photos being shipped into Syria less than two weeks before we went in. So forgot “Cheny lied.” But the facts also so that Saddam was killing his own people.

      • 45caliber

        Sorry, I meant “Tim” rather than “Ted”.

      • Tim L.

        45 Caliber,
        No, the media didn’t forget to publish the scoop on WMD’s. There were no WMD’s, and every person who followed the invasion of Iraq knows that. You can argue ’til Hell freezes over but that doesn’t change the facts. Don’t you think that if they had found even the smallest bit of evidence to suggest there were WMD’s, Faux News and the Bush/Cheney regime would have screamed loud enough to wake the dead. So please stop hanging on to the WMD lie because you just look foolish.

      • 45caliber

        Tim:

        You should do more checking. As I said, there are photos of the trucks carrying missiles going to Syria and there were others buried. In fact, one local soldier told me he saw those too. I haven’t paid much attention to the MSM reporting since they reported my unit was in a battle with over 1200 N. Vietnamese soldiers. We actually were fighting about 25!

      • http://naver samurai

        Just ignore Rob and Tim, 45 Calibur. They are just here to stir the waters and cause problems. I was in Iraq during Desert Storm, Operation Iraqi Freedom and again shortly in 2005, so I can tell you from experience that they are a couple of liars. Neither one had the nads to go over there and check out things for themselvesd. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Pris

      God bless you and others like you who will rescue us from useful idiots!

    • Karolyn

      “We” are no better or worse than people anywhere. One of the biggest problems in this country is our patriotic arrogance.

      • Patriot1776

        Pride in your country and pride in the accomplishments of the American people is patriotism and is far from arrogance. This nation has earned a right to be proud, to have come from a wilderness to the most advanced industrial nation in the world in the short history that it has existed is an accomplishment. Putting a man on the moon, the great inventions of flight, travel, communication, cures for disease, these accomplishments that have benefitted all mankind, are products of this nation. This does not make us any better than any other people, but we can still be proud of who we are.

    • TO MR HAYDEN

      Mr Hayden, you are my hero and I mean that with all do respect sir, risking your one given life on earth for others rights to freedom, YOU ROCK SIR.

  • T. Jefferson

    Come and try to take him, you can go home in a body bag.

    • Tim L.

      I kinda think that you will be very lonely fighting that battle.

  • Chester

    Without saying as much, this group convicted Bush and the others of not being good Muslims and supporting anything any muslim anywhere does.

    • Tim L.

      No, they convicted Bush and the others because they are criminals. A criminal is a criminal regardless of his religion or country of origin. I’ll just bet you would support any tribunal if they were to convict Obama for so much as spitting on the sidewalk. I just love “fair minded people.”

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  • http://none dan

    while you idiots are arguing about bush and odumbo ,who are run by the same people we are loosing our rights everyday,bush ohbama does not matter,same thing

  • http://peresonallibertydigest.. gottaplenty

    Still cant give up the fact Bush is gone and has been for some time, But you libs believe he is still pulling the strings. nuts.

  • DocBobalus

    Patriotism can be noble. I want to support the acts performed by the REAL patriots who have fought and suffered much. There are many great men who have done incredible things in the name of patriotism
    I am disgusted by the politicians who have used patriotism as the reason for enrichment and the control of our lives.

    No longer a soldier, I can stand a little further back and state that perhaps this court is right.
    Knowing that the evidence used for the UK to enter into war with iraq was false and the order signed by Blair with no discussion? That no arms of mass destruction were ever found, I ask myself was it all worth it? I’ve seen Haliburton “throw lots” to decide who gets the business.
    I no longer believe what they say, I look at what they do and how each new law helps me, my family and my friends.

    We hear that term about friends in goverment or high office – I must be out of the loop!

    It seems that they can’t create jobs so they invent wars.
    Not production – just destruction.

    I have a lot of doubts

  • JON

    IT IS ABOUT DAMN TIME!!!

    • http://naver samurai

      Spoken just like the traitor and coward you are 5th columner. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • eddie47d

      Serving one’s country doesn’t give a green light to the war itself samurai. There are traitors who get us involved in these foreign occupations.

      • http://naver samurai

        I didn’t say anything about him serving or not. I personally know the one posting and can tell you from experience about him. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • David in MA

    The world should have it re-enforced that America is not subject to third world, or any, country. America is a sovergen country and without America the world will collapse back into the stone age, where most countries are now. I will say this, America should withdraw from other countries and let them struggle on their own and not get into their internal problems, whatever they may be, unless it directly effects American security. What we are seeing is the effects of socializing the entire world, it will end in failure and poverty, aleays has and always will.
    America, look out for yourself, screw the world….starting with that slime bag obozo! (then again, he may like a good mud packing)..Point is: America answers to no one, no phoney tribunal or no country.

  • Dennis

    The liberal wack jobs still after Bush, come on ,he has been out of office for almost four years. Get a life, get over it. What about the damage to America by Obummer and the lying liberals.

    • DocBobalus

      This attitude of letting the guilty in power “get away with it ” has encouraged all the other politicians to think the same. And continue with the replacement politicians.
      They are all guilty.
      The European parliament even introduced a law so that any offence comitted during the period of office could NOT be persued when the member was out of office.
      Are you really saying that because they managed to get elected, that they are:
      “Above the law”

      I can’t buy into that so easily, all warmongerers should be accountable.

      To forgive – divine?

      Sure but being a sucker and saying whatever they did is past is a real copout…
      The longer it carries on, the more they are going to walk over us!

  • Ivan Boatwright

    After the comments I wish to write that war is evil and no solution. Greed of people making money from war and hate of other ways of life allow it to function. As a Viet nam combat marine for 2and1/2 years, I add all the people I killed was wasted. My friends gave their lives for shell oil and halliburton and the owners of stock in the AR15 which caused many american death before they were replaced with an updated version. Without the military industrial complex and greed, war would be much less. Bush and Cheney are guilty as are all of us for allowing things to become as they have. If not already, soon our foes will have nuclear ability and we are responsible for this. They are just as wrong as our extremest groups. HATE AND GREED WILL CAUSE OUR AND THEIR DESTRUCTION.

    • 45caliber

      Ivan:

      I used to think the same thing. But there are cases where war is necessary. For instance, Hitler attacked all of Europe. If you insist war is criminal and there is no excuse for it, then all countries should have immediately surrendered and suffered whatever acts Hitler wanted to do. Defense is a valid reason for war. Another example is the frequent famines in Africa. Even if plenty of food is sent to the country, many times the government is using the lack of food to wipe out a rival tribe and refuse to allow it to be given to the tribe. In that case, war is also necessary since otherwise the government would be starving part of the citizens of that country.

      • http://wildeyguns.com Wildey

        Hitler took the same road America is now. As long as he was in control he was respected by his peers and feared by his enemies. The USSR tried it as the Romans, Athenians and every other empire did. Think our road is going to have same ending?

      • 45caliber

        Unfortunately, yes. I suspect we’ll end the same way the Romans did – a little at a time until nothing is really left. And they went from a republic to an Emperor as they dwindled.

  • http://yahoo Tina Turner

    I guess this would meant the community organizer is guilty of the crime of ruining America? Is he eligible for deportation because he has single handedly become America’s worst enemy with his leftist, progrerssive, Marxist-Alinsky model his is emulating with plans for socializing U.S. and turning us into a UN ruled country.

    • Nobody’s Fool

      Yes.

    • Tim L.

      Besides hatred, on what do you base you nonsensical ravings. Show us some facts, and remember that hate is not a fact.

      • http://naver samurai

        Care to cite a source proving her wrong? Tina Turner? We used to listen to her records in the 80′s. Keep up the good fight, fellow patriots! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • 45caliber

    This group, like the one in Spain, is basically set up to try to insist that they are the real rulers of earth and have authority over individual countries. Because of the one in Spain, which insists it does have the authority to arrest and punish people from other countries, Congress passed a law about 1990 that states that any attempt to arrest and punish an American is a declaration for instant war.

  • Ron

    Wow. This is one of the first times I’ve agreed with this site. And yeah, Cheney and W were clearly war criminals–as were LBJ and Nixon, I’d argue. If we really had “American values”, like we’ve rubbed the rest of the world’s nose in since WWII, we’d be the first to admit that and bring ‘em to trial ourselves, but maybe no one’s that courageous and honest.

    Certainly they violated their Constitutional responsibilities to the American people by engaging in illegal war activities without consulting the American people and violated America’s historic commitment to international law [Gulf of Tonkin provocations, undeclared war on Cambodia, for example]

    I’d also argue that the violated the Constitutional role of the Presidency by installing Dick Cheney as the de facto President (he was unelectable because he had a rap sheet of shenannigans going all the way back to the Nixon White House–but so does Roger Ayles), using W as the patsy to get dumbsky people to vote them in ’cause W seemed like the kind of good ol’ boy you could go out and get a D.U.I. with–a really bad criteria for picking the guy you’re going to hand the launch codes to the nuclear weapons over to. $4 trillion urinated out in the desert and many American dead later, that has certainly proven to be the case.

    If Ron Paul would go after the Karlrovian neo-cons, I’d back him %100.

    They have bent America in a direction that makes us a country foreign to Republicans like Dwight Eisenhower–who couldn’t even be a member of the party nowadays. The neocon movement even scared Barry Goldwater before he died–and he was no shrinking violet when it came to conservatism. And as Ivan Boatwright says above: Hate and greed will cause our destruction. In the neo-con movement they’ve institutionalized those values, and these guys are NOT conservative–they are radical right-wingers.

    • http://wildeyguns.com Wildey

      Ron, In 1953 Krushchev said.. “When it comes time to hang you, you’ll line up to see who can sell us the rope”. The beauty of this site is that it stimulates enlightenment in people. You wouldn’t be here if your an MTV or MSM fan. As I read the comments I find people putting in their 2 cents rather than saying “yes sir” to a politician. Arch Bunker had a plaque on his desk that read…”I’m smarter than no man in that I learn from all of them”. When you stop learning, you become a pitiful nothing. I’m a hunter and I’ve learned that if I learn my games habits, it’s dead meat. Politicians have studied and learned to many people’s habits and it’s time to wise them up. I enjoyed your comments.

    • http://wildeyguns.com Wildey

      Forgot to mention, Eisenhower was hand picked by FDR. Read his WHOLE resume’. Mac Arthur said of him he”s the best clerk I ever had. FDR was presenting his credentials for entrance to hell to Satan. After reading them over, Satan said to him…Get out of here. If I let you in they’ll kick me out. Read all of Ron Paul’s resume’. He’s the ONLY chance America has.

    • http://naver samurai

      Baaaaa! Baaaaa! Baaaaa! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • roger gunderson

    Bush and Cheney used all forms of torture. Bush and Cheney invaded a sovereign nation on suspicion only. Tell me one more time that theses are not war crimes.

    • Jacki

      Roger,
      suspicion only? Bull (*&&*). Bush had thousands of Dead Bodies as proof. But I suppose to people of your ilk, that is not enough proof.

      • video proof

        Jacki that is a very interesting fact that has been very much overlooked by many I watched many documentaries of all the dead murdered by these chemical wmd’s , there is no doubt there is documented proof even video by Saddam .

    • http://wildeyguns.com Wildey

      Mr. Gunderson, It wasn’t bacause they had suspicions, it was for greed and a sick supposedly religious/political movement, Zionism. For the last ten years before that we’d been bombing and photographing Iraq daily. Remember Clinton’s bombing forays in Iraq? If Hitler won all of his wars, would he be called a war criminal? It’s a two way street. God help us when we start to loose.

    • http://naver samurai

      Way too much kool aid. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Rick

      War crimes is oxymoron. If you are in war people die it’s part of the war. And as long as it is not our people it is alright.As for these other groups like the UN and these losers in Maylasia. Can kiss our a**the have ZERO authority and power so who cares what they say. Without our funding the UN would fold up.. Look how many of our people died for the UN aggression in Korea, and that war never actually ended it has just had a 70+ year ceasefire.

      • Ivan Boatwright

        I was one, In Nam torture was used. Sometimes it worked but created our loss. I was a combat marine 32 months in country. American arrogance caused us to lose. We are not always right, nor are we a chosen people. We sleep, eat, love and hate as they do. We have different cultures as we have Democrats and Republicans as well as religious zealots. Logic, truth, honor are needed to find a solution.

      • http://naver samurai

        We lost due to the libs and progressives Ivan. Just ask my father and uncle who both did 3 tours in Vietnam. Don’t even get us started about Jane Fonda. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Ivan Boatwright

          I spent 32 months in Nam. 65 and 66 mainly 9th. marines. 67 Kelo 3/2 and later army Americal division for about 6 months until Tet of 68 when I was sent to Phu Bi as security Sgt. for Charlie 1/11. I have held dying men and seen enemy act as if they were no different than us and better than some I know. In my opinion I feel that Bush and Cheny are on the same level as Bin Ladin was. Wrong is wrong ; no matter who does it. I am a killer as they as I killed more than I should have because of misguided youth and belief that all we did was right because we were Americans. I called in artillery and B-52 bombing missions. (Ark Light was code name) I received word that an AO estimated 145 dead from my mission I set up. That was only one so I know what killing is and today I do not hunt or kill for I have had enough. I still collect guns but only my children shoot them. If someone like you or a foreign enemy comes I am prepared to fight. The real enemy was Shell oil that paid taxes to the VC while we fought them and Halliburton spending us into debt for the likes of Cheney and it goes on now. This country makes the few rich by war . Read about General Butler A Marine general that won the medal of honor twice. President Eisenhower said that the military complex ruled America and that we should be careful.

      • http://naver samurai

        Really Ivan? I asked my father before he retired in 1987 about Vietnam. He told me flat out that if the war was still going on, he would want to go back. I asked him why and he just said, “The mission isn’t over yet.” Now that is hard core. Thank you for your service, but I’ve also killed many people in Afghanistan and Iraq defending freedom. When it comes to fighting for freedom and destroying the enemy, I never took the time to count the cost. The mission always came first. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        Samurai
        E7/USA/11H/Retired

        • Ivan Boatwright

          I was a die hard republican and felt as your father at one time. I almost went back to try and free POW’s because I was consumed with the guilt of surviving while I left many friends behind. The AR15 was a fiasco that caused many lives and done for money. The M-14 is a superior weapon. The vietnamese are people as we are and should have their rights as we have. These are a few of the thoughts that began my change. I believe only in myself, no politicians. I care about people not just the powerful and rich. I had studied to be a minister but went to Nam for my country after having doubts about faith. While crossing the Song LO river I was ambushed while in a small straw boat and knew I was dead. Rather than make peace with (god or God) I fired half of my ammo (including extra I picked up when a friend had been hit earlier) I crossed the river and saw bullets at my feet in the sand I said (god or God) could rot in hell I would die as I fought before I would be a hypocrite. STUDY HISTORY, LEARN FOLLOW MONEY AND SEARCH FOR TRUTH

  • Ted Crawford

    “WAR is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things! The decay and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing that is more important than his personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself” John Stuart Mill

    • DocBobalus

      Hi Ted,
      I know you are right, but the guys at the top abuse this knowledge…and its getting worse. When you look after yourself, you try to protect yourself so that you are not relying on others – this is now considered as a possible act of terrorism and so un-patriotic.

      When did common sense suddenly get rewarded in such a way. Too many things are happening to us (what I used to call “patriots”).
      Fighting for my country in its defense is one thing, fighting for someone elses profits, sure makes me ask questions.

      • http://wildeyguns.com Wildey

        Read “War is a Racket”, it’s on the net, by the twice received Medal of Honor winner USMC Major General Smedley Butler. He’s since deceased. He spells out the MIC’s involvement in our wars. Our first “Offensive” was the Spanish American War in 1898, and everyone since then has been just that: Offensive in nature from America’s standpoint. Truman took us further down the ladder by not even bothering to declare war, which we haven’t since the Korean War.

    • Doc Sarvis

      I don’t believe John Stuart Mill ever served in a war.

      • Ted Crawford

        Perhaps not Doc, but I did and I know he is right!

    • 45caliber

      Ted:

      Hemingway was a mercenary for over thirty years. (Despite what some libs will tell you.) He was once asked by a reporter why he placed himself in danger of being killed fighting in wars in other countries for people he didn’t know. His answer: “There are worse things than dying while fighting for freedom. And if you don’t fight for freedom, you’ll learn what every one of those things are.”

  • DocBobalus

    Just as an observation, the School of Salamanca gave the following reasons for war:

    Given that war is one of the worst evils suffered by mankind, the adherents of the School reasoned that it ought to be resorted to only when it was necessary in order to prevent an even greater evil. A diplomatic agreement is preferable, even for the more powerful party, before a war is started. Examples of “just war” are:

    In self-defense, as long as there is a reasonable possibility of success. If failure is a foregone conclusion, then it is just a wasteful spilling of blood.

    Preventive war against a tyrant who is about to attack.

    War to punish a guilty enemy.

    A war is not legitimate or illegitimate simply based on its original motivation: it must comply with a series of additional requirements:

    It is necessary that the response be commensurate to the evil; use of more violence than is strictly necessary would constitute an unjust war.

    Governing authorities declare war, but their decision is not sufficient cause to begin a war. If the people oppose a war, then it is illegitimate. The people have a right to depose a government that is waging, or is about to wage, an unjust war.

    Once war has begun, there remain moral limits to action. For example, one may not attack innocents or kill hostages.

    It is obligatory to take advantage of all options for dialogue and negotiations before undertaking a war; war is only legitimate as a last resort.

    Under this doctrine, expansionist wars, wars of pillage, wars to convert infidels or pagans, and wars for glory are all inherently unjust.

    • 45caliber

      Doc:

      I read once (and I don’t remember who said this) that war was the hard currency of failed diplomatic credit.

  • Buck

    Thoise communist clowns need to worry about their own war crimes against their own subjects over the last fifty or more years . Check their history and find more war crimes than the world can handle .

    • eddie47d

      Malaysia is not a communist country Buck so what are you toking? What crimes have they committed against their own people. There must be many since you say so.

    • 45caliber

      Buck:

      One thing I was told once (and never bothered to check out): In 1933 (I think) FDR had a special session of Congress through Christmas to try to straighten out the banking problems. During it, there was a move and a vote to declare war on the American people. It was passed … and then those same Congressmen surrendered to the Navy in the name of the American people.

      The Navy is the ONLY military group established as a full time permanent force by the Constitution.

      If you ever bother to watch the President give a formal speech, he is usually backed by two flags – the American flag and the Naval flag.

      Supposedly, this act made all Americans prisoners-of-war of the Navy, subject to government actions if necessary to retain government control and power.

    • AJ

      Ya Buck and didn’t Jimmy Carter help them out by signing an arms sale to them?

  • http://wildeyguns.com Wildey

    In my mind there is overwhelming evidence that Bush, Cheney, Rice and anyone else that was in position to stop it committed war crimes. I was running for the Senate in CT as a Lbertarian at the beginning of the invasion and asked to write a 700 word essay about it. I entitled it “Impeach Bush”. Motives? Cheney was deeply involved with the MIC being president of Haliburton. Bush’s father was deeply involved with the Carlisle Group and Occidental Petreoleum.The Carlisle Group is the world’s largest arms broker. Condelezza Rice has super tanker named after her. Her family is in Occidental Ptroleum. Aside from his business investments, Bush became a “Zionist Christian”, if such a thing is possible. Bush’s buddy and war crimes buddy in England Tony Blair became a “Christian Zionist” as well. AIPAC had and have there dirty hands in it as well.

    There was no EVIDENCE that Sadam Hussein had anything do with it or the cability to invade America in the first place. I repeat, NO EVIDENCE. “Might makes right” is the thinking of Bush and his ilk.

    An aside: Did you ever notice that since America decided to engage in unconstitutional wars it never won a war. The Founders sought God’s blessing in their endeavor to write our Constitution and maybe God is holding the American people to the Founder’s word. The first unconsitutional war was Truman’s getting into the Korean war and we’re still there.

    • Rick

      Firt o all Korea was a UN war not ours.Truman was doing the same a Obama following the UN. We need to shut them down and pull all our funding immediately. Put our people and our economy first above everyone else.As the american President that should be his priority.

  • Incredulous1

    And how much foreign aid are we WASTING on Malaysia? Is the U.S. military protecting Malaysia from any of their “less-than-friendly” neighbors? Hmmm, might be time to rethink those relationships.

    • 45caliber

      On a list I saw some years ago, there were only two countries in the world that the US did NOT give foreign aid. Of the top ten, only India was not communist. I suspect we could balance our budget if we stopped giving away foreign aid. I know we could if we stopped the other give-away programs such as Welfare.

    • AJ

      Maybe the answer lies in the book, “Economic Hitman.”

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1417763559 Beno

    I’d fight for Bush but, if they came for obama, they can have him. When I was in that area of the world, their national sport was killing Christians, for their little god.

  • AJ

    Doesn’t supprise me. It’s about time somebody brought the Bushes to trial. Don’t like my statement then read the book, “The Bush Crime Family” or Cathy Obrians book “Transformation of America”.

  • Sharon

    Just one more stupid thing to put up with – how about all the crimes from the Obama White House and the DOJ’s Department – time to start arresting don’t you think so?!

    • AJ

      Yes Sharon I agree arrests should be made in both parties neither is without sin. And both parties are following the same NWO agenda. That’s why there won’t be any arrests made.

  • Rich Lane

    My president Bush is a good person and he did what he had to do for the USA. So what they said about Mr. Bush is bull. I voted for him twice. Mr president Bush is a good man

    • AJ

      “Ignorance is Bliss”

  • Huey Mitchell

    CAJUNMAN69 says: A Commission formed by a man named Mouhamed (obvously a follower of the Koran) putting Christians on trial. Lets see, what could the outcome possibly be? Did you come to that conclusion in one or two microseconds?

  • tncdel

    If they aren’t similarly prosecuting the Obama administration for far worse, then this is laughable.

  • simian pete

    If former President Bush is a war criminal, who is going to arrest him ? Will all the “war criminals” cited by this court be arrested ? Will the “criminals” be abducted and sent to Malaysia for trial ?

    If former President is abducted – how will the USA retaliate ? Our military is pretty much overburdened .. would we start another war in Malaysia ? Heh heh !!

    I read them new F-22 Raptors have faulty oxygen generators. The fighter pilots just pass out and them *BOOM* another 120 million bucks goes crashing to the ground ! THe old F-15′s airframes are snapping apart in flight ! The F-35 hasn’t been cleared for production yet. The US Air Force can’t solve the technical problems anymore because, basically, they are just to STUPID ! HA HA HA!!!

    So we got a defective Air Force fighter are massing to attack Iran. Luckily the Japanese loans us some of their F-15′s. It’s totally FUBAR !

    TECHNOSTAGNATION !! Brought to you by the retards running the military… HA HA !!

    So if an of these “criminals” get abducted, and are brought to trial – what could the US really do ?

    I’m just being pessimistic today, must be all that pollen in the air ….

  • Greg Day

    Doesn’t anyone KNOW why we KNEW BEYOND DOUBT that Saddam had WMDs?

    We GAVE them to him during the Iraq war w/Iran!!!
    (Of course our government could not openly admit that, although our allies-and many opponents also knew…)

    Has everyone not born yet, or too young to remember and those old enough to, simply been living under a rock in continual denial?

    Anyone want to claim the world would be a better place if Saddam and his sons were still in It?

    You tell me and others how we are wrong-and better yet, how YOUR claim is right, ok?

    Thanks!!!

    I also speak for those that cannot make a statement, because they have died for YOUR freedom to verbally trash them!!!

    Greg Day

  • http://naver samurai

    What? No comment from Jon? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • mattzweck

    bush administration did what it had to to keep this country safe after 9/11 attacks.

    • Ivan Boatwright

      Bush did what he did for power and money first America and the people were far down his list.

      • Jacki

        Ok Ivan suppose you tell the rest of us something. What should have Bush done after 9-11 . Bow down to the scum bags. Like the current guy does. Bush did what he had to do to protect us. He did not do it for power or money like you claim.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003382332086 Maynard Runkle

          Jacki, Please my read my posts above so that you can be liberated from the misinformation that 9/11 happened because of a bunch of Muslim scumbags. There were many government secret “war games” going on on 9/11. Rumsfeld announced $2.3 TRILLION missing at the Pentagon the DAY before 9/11. The next day what part of the Pentagon was hit? The exact location of the records where the accountants were looking for that money. Most of the Pentagon dead were in accounting. The hijacker (?) couldn’t fly a Cessna yet the 757 was tracked on radar making a 330 turn and high speed descent. Had it simply gone straight it was on a collision course with Rumsfeld and the top brass. Do You know what Rumsfeld did right after the strike? He silently put on his suit coat and walked over to the site of the crash, carried stretchers for a photo op and returned to his office. Asked why he left his post when there might have been more strikes coming, he said “I wanted to see the scene of the accident.” He knew that it was his duty as Secretary of Defense to mount a defense yet he somehow knew there would be no more strikes. Later he would say in Parade Magazine: “9/11 was a blessing in disguise because like WWII it gives us the opportunity to refashion the world.” Apparently that meant attack Iran and Afghanistan for their oil and natural gas. Neither countries had hijackers on the hijacker list. Five of the ones on the list reported themselves alive in their home countries.

          Jacki, I know you think I hate my country. I don’t. I hate the crooks of both parties that like to play us like a drum and know whenever it comes to an outside threat we the people forget their true natures and imagine them to be great leaders. They are great. Great at manipulating the people, taking away our Constitutional rights and making themselves huge bundles of cash from our taxes. Look up how much insider businesses like Carlyle Group (Bush Sr.) and Halliburton (Cheney) made on no-bid war contracts.

          • http://www.facebook.com/ivan.boatwright1 Ivan Boatwright

            Why did he turn from the Afghanistan war against to fight Saddam? He lied and discredited General Powell in the process. He wanted oil, jobs for Halliburton, and vengeance for the attempt against his father. Increase military spending and put as he thought, fear in the rest of the world. He seems to have tried to establish an American empire. He is 100 years too late. No nation has the dominating power today and America is becoming a nation of mixed people. We of the white race will soon be a minority. He supports rich and power. We could have won Afghanistan in the beginning and made changes but no oil, only Bin Ladin.

    • Robert Smith

      “bush administration did what it had to to keep this country safe after 9/11 attacks.”

      Not necessarily. With their actions like the torture and book burnings that weren’t condemned more of the world hates America.

      Rob

      • Ivan Boatwright

        We have more of the world against us than at any time in past except when Bush was president. Yet , most of the children born are no longer white. ( in America) All the hate we have and anger is sending America on the path Germany took and will result with us alone. No matter what the hard core say, we will lose and their hatred will cause it.

    • Bert Cundle Sr.

      By ging themselves more athority & Us less Freedom!

      • Bert Cundle Sr.

        By driveing us into a financeual tail spin of Debt!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003382332086 Maynard Runkle

    First let me point out I do not support O’bama or the Republicans. There has been a bipartisan effort to take away our rights. Note the recent ammendment to NDAA 2012 proposed by Representatives Mac Thornberry of Texas and Representative Adam Smith of Washington. A Republican and a Democrat, they are trying to strike the “current ban on dissemination of” propaganda in the US by the State Dept. and the Pentagon. They want the right to spread their lies here at home. Both parties overwhelmingly approved the approbriation of $63 billion for domestic drones to spy on us and even kill us. They also want to be able to detain us for prolonged periods of time without a trial.

    As to the Muslims. Their religionis kin to the Jews and Christians. They believe in the Old Testament and the Ten Commandments. Instead of our New Testament they have the Koran, but they do recognize Christ as a prophet. They believe they are descendants of Abraham through his son by the Egyptian slave woman. His name was Ismael.

    The Twin Towers were not collapsed because of planes and fires. They had supporting columns cut on a diagonal and pulverized contents. They were detonated by explosives. The first responders who were not killed were not allowed to testify for the 9/11 commission. Why? Many of them would have reported the explosions and the lack of large enough fires to melt steel as was originally alleged. The Deutsche Bank Building roof had fragments of human bones and teeth discovered there in 2006. The only way they could get there was by explosives as the airliner had passed the bank before impact. Its momentum would have cast everything forward not back to the bank. The leaseholder of Building Seven admitted that it was “pulled.” The only groups that could have planted these explosives did not include Muslim hijackers. Bomb sniffing dogs were pulled on the Thursday before the attacks. Workmen with cables and equipment were witnessed coming and going the Saturday and Sunday before 9/11. (Google Scott Forbes). Jim Pierce, the President’s cousin, moved his business meeting out of the Towers on 9/11. Larry Silverstein and his adult son and daughter did not show up to work at the Towers that day.
    I could go on, but you can get a lot of this information yourself. I would like you to know that Osama bin Laden condemned the 9/11 attacks immediately and the video we claim we found of him is an imposter. You can see their images side by side if you do an Internet search. Osama did not wear jewelry and did not have a broad face and bulbous nose.
    Who do you think made huge profits from the war? The Carlyle Group of Bush and Jim Baker. Enron of Cheney. and Others.
    James Wilson was sent to Africa to find evidence Saddam had gotten yellow-cake uranium. He reported it didn’t happen so they outed his CIA wife, which is a crime. Scooter Libby took the fall but was immediately pardoned by Bush.
    The anthrax letters were also an inside job. They were going to indict Bruce Ivins they claim, but he conveniently committed suicide and was cremated without autopsy. Case closed. However, his colleagues pointed out he did not have the right equipment to weaponize the anthrax. If he had tried, he would have contaminated the whole lab. The first victim was the photo publisher and he had published a phot of Jenna Bush drunk and sitting on another girl’s lap. Who do you think would want him killed. The White House insiders had SECRETLY started taking antianthrax antibiotics three weeks before any known threat. How could they have known?

    • http://www.facebook.com/ivan.boatwright1 Ivan Boatwright

      very complicated but well written with good back ground only too complicated, perhaps, misinformation.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003382332086 Maynard Runkle

        Thankyou for your comment. I’d be happy to give you sources so you don’t have to think I made anything up. Of course, you have the right to question those sources and should do so. If I am wrong about anything and become aware of it, I would be glad to retract it. My goal is the truth, not to be right.
        I am sorry that it is complicated but there is evidence that the whole event was planned going back at least to the first WTC attack in1993. The Egyptian army officer the FBI was using as a plant with the Muslims, Salem, was taping both groups secretly. His tapes showed the FBI gave the Muslims REAL explosives. Six died in the attack, but the FBI’s involvement was pretty well covered up and/or ignored, even though it was printed in the New York Times with documentation. You can google it. The government’s goals were complicated. The fact that communism was no longer a believable threat left the military-industrial complex without a rationale for continued huge expenditures. The fact that the Muslims were easy to turn into demons and the presence of huge oil reserves was a fortuitous realization for them.
        The take-over of Kuwait by Saddam was winked at by us because once they tried it, we had the excuse to go after him. The made up story about incubator babies being thrown away was put out to mould public opinion. It worked.
        To get better insight, learn about Susan Lindauer, listen to her on the internet, and then ask yourself is she is credible.

        • http://www.facebook.com/ivan.boatwright1 Ivan Boatwright

          Argue, I am not as I just doubt anything. In the past I was a very small part of Nixon’s operation. ( unknown until later) I was part of Viet Nam and I just read an AP article by Kathy Gannon that is about Afghan troops that is reminiscent of Nam from a personal knowledge. You will enjoy the article, From M16s to boots, Afghan troops feel slighted. I forgot to add I was an FBI informant. One named Charlie Boiles ( do not remember the spelling) got drunk in Selma Ala. and almost got me killed. I believe it was 1973.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003382332086 Maynard Runkle

            I had two separate unrelated encounters with the FBI. My impression of them is that they were sincere, intelligent but misguided from my point of view. Viet Nam was a terrible time for our country, but not as bad as now. It was based on a false flag operation, the Gulf of Tonkin Incident which we now know did not happen as described. A lot of other false flags took place but one of the most outrageous was called Operation Northwoods in 1962. The Chief of the Joints of Staf, Lemnitzer,f wanted the government to give the go-ahead to commit terrorist attacks in Miami and Washington, D.C. and blame it on Castro Cubans. JFK wouldn’t go along with it. In fact, he did not comply with most of the wishes of the CIA or FBI. No wonder he didn’t live long.

      • http://Yahoo Maynard

        Ivan, I have not heard from you when you said my comments were complicated and may include misinformation. If you read this please let me know what questions you have. I will try to answer them and/or direct you to sources.

        • http://www.facebook.com/ivan.boatwright1 Ivan Boatwright

          You are deeper into this than I am . You have read more than I have on the subjects. I doubt all unless I am there. Not accusing you of anything as I do not know, words are as each sees or wants them to be. It is almost impossible to write a truth. Each has their own. I am a pessimist by nature and expect things to be on a downward slope. My goal is to move to WA. state and live my remaining days with grizzly bears as I know where I stand with them. I want peace for my last years.

          • http://Yahoo Maynard

            Well Ivan, hope I won’t be hearing about you and one of those grizzlies you’re comfortable with. LOL. I myself am 66 and thought I’d test the waters in trying to get some info out there for the public so that they can learn what I believe about the mess we’ve been gotten into by a gang of ruthless individuals starting way back with the assassination of JFK. Remember it was Dwight D. Eisenhower who first warned us about the military industrial complex. Just for your own knowledge google up some info. It won’t hurt to be aware and it might be a last gasp act of patriotism to try to get your country off the wrong path its heading down. My dad, who I never knew, died as a young man in the Pacific Theatre in one of the last few months of WWII. I figure I owe it to him and the other real patriots who brought freedom and justice for the common man to our earth. It’s worth a try for me to make an effort to not let it slip away without a whimper.
            Personal Liberty Alerts is the best forum I’ve found yet to try to do so.
            Good Luck in your endeavors.

    • Bert Cundle Sr.

      War against Terrorism… Using Bombs?

    • Bert Cundle Sr.

      Why wasn’t the towers REBUILT as good or better????

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003382332086 Maynard Runkle

        Bert, they have rebuilt but only one tower. They call it the Freedom Tower and with its antenna is 1776 feet high. They chose that height to commemorate the US Declaration of Independence in 1776. The irony of the whole thing is that 9/11 led to the Patriot Act being rammed down our throats. The two Democrat leaders who looked like its biggest detractors, Sen. Daschle and Sen. Leahey both were recipients of anthrax letters. No Republican was so honored. The Patriot Act, I have read, is very similar to some of the repressive legislation, almost word for word, passed in Soviet Russia.
        Note how politicans and news figures alike were intimidated by getting anthrax letters. The first victim, Robert Stevens, was only a minor photo publisher, but Tom Brokaw and others on a national scale, were sent letters.

      • Bert Cundle Sr.

        Maynard Runkle: How does Freedom 1776 / / World Trade Tower… Connect, or concidered simmular????

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003382332086 Maynard Runkle

          The towers to be rebuilt as they were would be too expensive. They were so strong they could have stood up to hurricane winds and fairly big earthquakes. Furthermore, they were not fully rented and were filled with asbestos covering the beams and would have cost billions to decontaminate. The leaseholder, Larry Silverstein not only got a four billion dollar insurance settlement but he also was saved from having to pay billions for removing the asbestos which was required by law since they were built. He only had a few million tied up in it so he saved a bundle by their destruction.

      • Bert Cundle Sr.

        OK…. WHY DIDN’T They get Named: “NEW WORLD TRADE CENTER BUILDNING???”

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003382332086 Maynard Runkle

          I don’t know for sure. I’ll have to research that. My guess is they wanted to capitalize on the patriotic factor = liberty, remembrance. Of course, in my opinion, they were the perpetrators and are just crying crocodile tears. Did you know Rucy Giuliani bought the building in Florida where the first anthrax victim was infected and had it decontaminated. I believe he was covering up evidence like he did when he had Ground Zero carted off before the crimes scene could be forensically studied.

  • Bert Cundle Sr.

    Oops… Lawers: Not Understanding the meaning of WAR…? Torture, is alowed in war! The Charges Should Be… Terrorest acts ( Murder, Mayham, Distruction of Citizens & Civil Property, of a Forign Country!) Sending Our Military in harms way, With undue Justifaction.
    { Capitol Dumbness.)

  • http://Yahoo Maynard

    Bush and Cheney and their neocon, emphasis on Con, as in Convict not Conservative, amigos pulled off the biggest heist in history and got many of you waving flags and calling for the blood of their scapegoats. Facts not Fiction: In 2000 the Plan for a New American Century wrote that military expansion would not work without a “cataclysmic and catastrophic event like a New Pearl Harbor.” The Thursday before 9/11 bomb detecting dogs were pulled from the WTC. The weekend before 9/11 there was a power down with workmen coming and going and no security cameras or locks. The Day before 9/11 Donald Rumsfeld announced $2.3 TRILLION unaccounted for at the Pentagon. On 9/11 the hijacked jet, allegedly, flew right past Rumsfeld’s office and around to the opposite dive making an incredibly difficult 330 degree turn and descent (Hani Hanjour the alleged pilot was not allowed to rent a Cessna the month before because his piloting skills were so low). On 9/11 numerous War Games under the direction of Dick Cheney were going on. False radar blips used in these war games confused air traffic controllers. Four planes failed to transmit the simple four digit code saying they were hijacked. Jim Pierce, the President’s cousin and Larry Silverstein and his adult son and daughter fail to show up for work at the WTC. Pierce’s business meeting was conveniently relocated outside the towers. At a littlepast 9:00 Rudy Giuliani abandons Building Seven saying he “was told the towers would fall.” He fails to alert the towers and goes to the FEMA conference conveniently planned as one of the war games just down the street. Captain Orio Palmer radioes that the South Tower has only two small pockets of fire left that could easily be extinguished. He dies in the sudden explosive collapse. Barbara Olson allegedly calls husband Ted twice telling that the pilot of Fl 77, Charles Burlingame and his crew have been herded to the back of the plane and seated near her. She allegedly asks Ted what she should tell the pilot to do. Charles Burlingame is a powerful bodybuilder, Navy Retiree, and practiced Pentagon attack drills as a Naval Reservist. He would not have given up his cockpit without a fight according to his family. In 2006, The FBI reports at the Moussaoui terror trial that these calls were “unconnected.” We were fed false propaganda. The plane allegedly hits a bull’seye right where the accountants are located, putting an end to the search for the Trillions and killing many of them. Rumsfeld silently leaves his office, goes to the scene of what he would later call an “accident” and plays the hero for a few minutes by carrying stretchers. Despite his title, Secretary of Defense, he raises no defenses. How could he have known there were no more attacks coming?
    In New York, the North and South Towers both fall at near the speed of gravity, squibs denoting explosions emitted at regular intervals in synchronized fashion. Concrete is pulverized and huge beams cast off, some of which could be seen protruding from nearby buildings. This does not happen in a pancake collapse. Explosions are reported by numerous eye witnesses but the 9/11 Commission, under executive director Phillip Zelikow, a Bush insider who had co-authored a book with Condoleezz Rice, omits any mention of them and also does not include the mysterious collapse of Building Seven which had only a few small fires and was not hit by a plane. A man who was trapped inside, Barry Jennings, is interviewed right after his rescue from Building Seven and reports explosions. He’s told to shut up or lose his job and dies mysteriously at age 53.
    Dick Cheney is observed by Norman Mineta, Secretary of Transportation, at his arrival at the White House bunker shortly after 9:00. He witnesses Cheney being updated on the approach of Fl 77 which soon hits the Pentagon. No evacuations, no fighters. The Commission later says Cheney did not get to the Bunker until 10:00 contradicting Cheney’s own statements on Meet the Press in September that he was in the bunker when the Pentagon was hit. Meet the Press moderator Tim Russet died suddenly of a “heart attack.” The week before 9/11 Jeb Bush, another signer of the PNAC statement has a bill granting him Martial Law in Florida signed. A plan to attack Afghanistan is on Bush’s desk before 9/11. White House insiders SECRETLY start taking antianthrax antibiotics THREE weeks before any known threat. The first to die, a photo publisher in Boca Raton, FL who had published a photo of a drunk Jenna Bush sitting on another girl’s lap. Letters intimidated other news broadcasters and leading Democrats soon arrive. The first suspect, a friend of Jerome Hauer, the manager of the New York City Office of Emergency Preparedness, is soon given $5million as a reward for being falsely accused. In 2008, Bruce Ivins “commits suicide” and is quickly cremated without autopsy BEFORE he is even accused. Case closed. One problem. His colleagues point out he lacks equipment essential to weaponize the anthrax without which he would have contaminated himself and his lab. No problem. Case closed.
    The video tape found in Afghanistan is fake. It is not the real bin Laden who had immediately and repeatedly condemned 9/11 on religious grounds saying true Muslims do not kill innocents, especially women and children. The real bin Laden and the fake one can be seen side by side on the internet. The fake one has a rounder more robust appearance and a wider, bulbous nose. Many of the alleged hijackers report themselves alive and well in their own countries. The Pilots for Truth analyze Fl 77′s flight recorder and say it shows the cockpit door was never opened after take-off. They are ignored. There’s a lot more. It’s available on the internet but won’t be once the police state makes it’s takeover move. I’d be happy to hear from those of you who are apologists for the perpetrators of the greatest false flag operation in history.

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