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  • JeffH

    Well, the Boy Scout national council sold out to LGBT and the immoral progressive advocasy group pressure that has now destroyed a truly American tradition. I am sure young boys will be forced to quit the Scouts, parents who are leaders will leave the ranks, employees of BSA will also be finding jobs.

    The young men of the Boy Scouts of America have done their very best to be of service to their communities and to their country. This Boy Scout tradition embodies values of duty, honor and service deeply rooted in our country’s heritage.

    I’m in no way bashing gays or their lifestyle by stating my opinion but this decision will destroy the BSA. Sponsorship for the BSA, big and small, will decline or cease and the BSA will become an astrisk in American history

    In January, the BSA floated a plan to give sponsors of local Scout units the option of admitting gays as both youth members and adult leaders or continuing to exclude them. However, it changed course, in part because of surveys sent out starting in February to members of the Scouting community.
    Unfortunately the BSA council has been bullied by gay advocate groups and the progressives to accept openly gay boys into their ranks.

    Of the more than 200,000 leaders, parents and youth members who responded, 61 percent supported the current policy of excluding gays, while 34 percent opposed it.

    I fully agree with Jeremy Miller, a Scout leader from Ohio, who said the proposed change “will open the door to boy-on-boy sexual contact, bullying and older Scouts being predators on younger scouts.”

    • Karolyn

      As far as bullying is concerned, Scouts are supposed to be above that, aren’t they? Why is it when thinking about gay men or boys, all you see them as are sexual predators. I think the hullabaloo has more to do with people’s preoccupation with sex than anything else. Gays are human beings first. Their sexuality has nothing to do with their performance as contributing members of society. Why shouldn’t gay boys have the same treatment as straight? One top-notch gay Scout was denied his Eagle Scout badge due to his sexuality. Is that fair? I really just do not understand it. What about lesbian girls in the Girl Scouts? I wonder why we never hear anything about that.

      • JeffH

        Karolyn this is too far above your pay grade for you to understand! Of course I understand why you can’t get it…you’re a part of the problem, not a part of the solution.

        Your argumentnt is moot and totally irrelevant…this argument is about gays being allowed in the BSA, not about societal equality. That’s a different argument altogether.

        The hullabaloo is all about the idea that “gay” advocates are forcing their “gayness” into the BSA membership. It is wrong to force these ideas onto the children, let alone force the BSA membership to embrace gay’s with open arms if they don’t want to. Some things are better left alone where children are involved and this is one of them.

        Teenage kids have enough sexual confusion and raging hormones during those years without adding the pressures of temptation that wouldn’t otherwise be openly there. Admitting gays into the BSA will add to that confusion and temptation, and mark my words, Boy Scouts that don’t quit or leave the scouts will feel & see a significant rise in boy on boy sexual experimentation and molestation.

        All of this is a bunch of crap. The BSA , a private organization that has always rejected allowing the openly gay into the organization, and rightly so…they will now destroy the pride every Boy Scout, past and present, may have had, not to mention that the BSA will lose a tremendous amount of support through donations and private funding. The BSA is done, finished and it is their own council’s fault…they chose to cave in to the pressures of the gay advocates rather than listen to their own troop membership.

        It’s pathetic and it’s sad that this has happened.

        Just answer this one question please.

        Why is it necessary for gay advocates to destroy a century old tradition when they just as easily could have created the “Gay Scouts”?

        • Karolyn

          Well, they’re just moving into the 21st century. Nobody is forcing gayness on children. If it were just accepted, it would not be such a big deal. It would be just like “Hey, I’m a white person.” Get it? Kids should be taught to accept people for WHO they are, not WHAT they are.

          • JeffH

            That’s Bullsh**! That is exactly what the gender benders are doing to the BSA.

            You have no clue about the whole BSA issue and just can’t grasp the reality of the problems that will come of it.

            You said ” Kids should be taught to accept people for WHO they are, not WHAT they are.”

            That is exactly one thing that the BSA does teach.
            Educate yourself:

            I see you never attempted to answer the one simple question either…not surprised!

        • Bob666

          Yo Jeff,

          Should I take this oportunity too take issue with you being a real Libertarian?

          1.3 Personal Relationships

          Sexual orientation, preference, gender, or gender identity should have no impact on the government’s treatment of individuals, such as in current marriage, child custody, adoption, immigration or military service laws. Government does not have the authority to define, license or restrict personal relationships. Consenting adults should be free to choose their own sexual practices and personal relationships.

          • JeffH

            What’s your point, 666, other than you have no point relating to my position or my comments as they relate to the BSA issue.
            Did I ever say I was a Libertarian? No!

            Have I ever made disparaging remarks or stated that I have a problem with someone’s gender preference? No!
            Have I ever stated that consenting adults should not be free to choose their own sexual practices and personal relationships? No!
            You have no point other than bothering me with your meaningless drivel.
            It’s comments like the one you just made that clearly shows me you are a moderate liberal at the very least.

          • Bob666

            Yo Jeffery,

            “You have no point other than bothering me with your meaningless drivel.
            It’s comments like the one you just made that clearly shows me you are a moderate liberal at the very least”

            As a Libertarian, I just calls them as I sees them.

          • JeffH

            Just as I said and you just confirmed…no point at all.

          • Jeff

            Why don’t you come out of the closet already? We know you anti-gay zealots are generally the self-haters. As for the Boy Scouts, they changed their policy to remain relevant. When public opinion shifts as quickly as it has on gay rights and gay marriage, maintaining the same position you had 20 or 30 years ago is the surest road to irrelevance. Remember, the Scouts didn’t integrate until 1974, 26 years after Truman integrated the armed forces, so the organization is hardly one inclined toward “radical” change.

          • JeffH

            Jeff says DUH!

            Anti-gay zealot? Obviously you can’t comprehend one word I wrote.

            Point out my anti-gay zealotry…anywhere in this thread or in any other thread…archives…anywhere…which you can’t!

            Can you give me a valid answer for this one simple question?

            Why is it necessary for gay advocates to destroy a century old tradition when they just as easily could have created the “Gay Scouts” of America?

            You’re not allowed to offer some ranting diatribe about gay rights in society…we’re only talking about the issue as it relates to the BSA…nothing more.

            This is my answer to that question: Progressives prefer to force others to conform to their agena, thoughts and ideas.

          • 45caliber

            I agree. Progressives, regardless of sexual presuasion, consider themselves “thought police” and want to punish anyone who doesn’t believe they way they do.

      • 45caliber

        Karolyn: Boys and men are totally different. Boys are seldom concerned about sex, particularly when they are having fun. Most boys seldom even consider whether they are gay or straight … UNLESS some adult gets involved. Most “gay” boys are gay because some adult convinces them that they are. What we don’t want in scouts is for some adult controlled boy to attempt to “teach” the rest of the boys that they might be gay too. Sex is NOT part of the BS teaching.

        • Karolyn

          Nobody “teaches” anybody to be gay! I have had gay and lesbian friends who say they KNEW they were different from a young age; and that despite trying it straight, they were who they are. I’ve also known gays and lesbians who did play it straight into their adult years (two into their 30s) but realized that they were living a lie.

          • 45caliber

            I’ll admit that not all are taught. BUT … I’ll also insist that not all are not taught either as many like to say. I know several lesbians including the daugthers of lesbians. The lesbians both insist that they became that way because of problems with men … not because they were born that way. One tried to teach her daughters to be lesbians too – “to save them from male problems”. Actually I think there are three types of lesbians:
            the true lesbians, those who had man problems, and the once homorphadites. One of a thousand births is a homorphodite – and the laws say that a doctor MUST make a girl of it as soon as it is born. Many should have been males.
            I also insist that young children don’t know one way or the other UNLESS an adult teaches them. They don’t know what is natural or not. So don’t try to say that a young child knows – they don’t even know what sex is about and don’t care.

          • Karolyn

            I have seen stories of Hermaphrodites (the correct terminology), and nowhere have I seen it said that the doctor HAS to “make it a girl as soon as it is born.” I do see where the State of SC is being sued for Social Workers forcing the operation on a 16 month old child Social Services had custody of. Other than that, I have found no such laws.
            I am sure you have a point about some people being influenced, but I have never met one. There are probably more gays and lesbians who are influenced to live straight; and until they live as who they really are, the are not comfortable with their lives. I’ve read many stories about this. Every gay or lesbian friend I have had, without exception, say that they knew they were different; and when they became sexually aware, were attracted to the same sex.

          • 45caliber

            I understand that law was a federal law written about 1920. I know one who did receive that operation as a baby was suing the government for depriving him of his privilege of being male about two years ago in NYC.
            On the rest, enough said. I’m not going to convince you and you aren’t going to convince me.

          • Karolyn

            Amen! :-)

  • Erasmus

    It is all very queer.

  • 45caliber

    Girl Scouts did this some years ago. Now they are having severe financial problems since they have far fewer scouts than they used to do. You can see what the BS will be like in about 5 years.