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In all the years I’ve been writing this column, I have never had readers jump all over me like they did last week. Some of them were even polite about it! Here are just a few of the nearly 500 comments I received:

“The first thing I did after I read the article … checked my calendar to make sure it wasn’t April Fool’s Day,” said Average _Joe56. “Imagine my surprise when it wasn’t.”

GQ4U had the same reaction: “An anti-liberty article in Personal Liberty Digest? Am I on Candid Camera?”

TheOriginalDaveH, one of our most frequent posters, asked, “What? Did I wake up on the wrong side of the bed? Is Chip really arguing against the 4th Amendment?”

GiveMeLiberty,OrGiveMe Death (don’t you love his pen name?) was more emphatic: “Chip, have you lost your ever-loving MIND????? Seriously, you claim to be a conservative and you think stop-and-frisk is okay????? What the heck, dude, that is just wrong.”

Karolyn, another frequent correspondent, summed up her disappointment in just 10 words: “So now Chip is an advocate for the police state!”

A lot of folks were less kind than these examples. The cause of their ire was my defense of the stop-and-frisk program by the cops in New York City and my criticism of a Federal judge who found much of it unConstitutional.

You know what? I was wrong. My readers, bless their libertarian sentiments and uncompromising principles, are right.

I got blinded by two things. The first was the distorted logic the judge in this case exhibited. The second was the undisputed fact that major crime in New York City has plummeted.

Here’s one example of the kind of tortured thinking U.S. District Judge Shira Scheindlin showed in her ruling. She said that the police were justified in stopping and questioning David Floyd, the lead plaintiff in the class-action lawsuit. And it was even okay when they searched the pockets of his outer garments.

But they went too far, she ruled, when they also frisked his pants pockets. Searching his jacket was okay, but not his pants? Give me a break.

So let’s go back to the basics: the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights. (Yes, in answer to one reader’s rhetorical question, I have heard of them. In fact, I keep a well-thumbed copy of both in my top desk drawer.)

Here’s what the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution says:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

That’s as clear as our Founding Fathers could make it. Unfortunately, it wasn’t clear enough to keep the courts from permitting some incredible abuses. So today, 80-year-old grandmothers can be groped at an airport in the name of security. The NSA can collect information on the emails and phone calls of virtually every American in the name of combating terrorism. And the police can stop, question and frisk anyone they want in the name of fighting crime. All they need to do is claim to have reasonable grounds for their suspicions. They don’t even have to believe that a crime has been permitted by the suspect – merely that some sort of criminal behavior may be going to take place.

All of this is perfectly okay with the Federal courts, which have repeatedly sided with the authorities in permitting stop-and-frisk programs. Even Judge Scheindlin, whose ruling led to last Friday’s column, found the basic premise of stop-and-frisk to be acceptable.

But the courts, including the U.S. Supreme Court, have ruled in favor of many things that we Constitutionalists know are flat-out wrong. For most of the past century, the Federal government has acted as though the 9th and 10th Amendments to the Constitution simply don’t exist. Time after time, the Supreme Court has supported massive expansion of Federal programs and power, no matter how much they have to twist and distort the Constitution to allow it.

And let’s not even get into the 2nd Amendment, which promises all of us that “the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.” Of course it is infringed all of the time. And nowhere are there more restrictions on our Constitutional right to bear arms than in New York City.

The most recent example of the Supreme Court’s tortuous logic in justifying yet another expansion of Federal power is when Chief Justice John Roberts said that the abomination known as Obamacare is Constitutional because it is a tax. So what if President Barack Obama and it supporters in Congress repeatedly denied that this was the case?

What about the claim that stop-and-frisk helps reduce crime? That’s the argument favored by its supporters, including Mayor Michael Bloomberg. (As one critic pointed out, “The first clue is that if you agree with Bloomberg on ANYTHING, you must immediately check yourself. The next thing you know, you’ll be agreeing with [Jesse] Jackson and [Al] Sharpton.” Ain’t gonna happen, medbob.)

Best-selling author Ann Coulter is one of many conservative commentators who support stop-and-frisk programs. In her syndicated column, “Stop and Frisk Policies Are Saving Lives,” she said that murders in the Big Apple were averaging about 2,000 a year when Mayor Rudy Giuliani took office in 1994. There were 714 – a decline of almost two-thirds – by the time he left office seven years later. And the number of murders has continued to fall, dropping to 419 murders last year.

That’s a big improvement. So it should come as no surprise that many of the citizens of New York City approve of stop-and-frisk. They think it makes them safer. And it probably does – at least from hoodlums and street criminals.

But remember what Benjamin Franklin, that very wise Founding Father, said. “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.”

How many Americans are willing to exchange some essential liberty for a little temporary safety? Or to ask it another way, how many will exchange much of their independence for security? I’m afraid the answer is a whole bunch of them.

But not among the readers of Personal Liberty Digest™. You are a proud, feisty and independent crowd, and I’m grateful for it… and for you.

So thank you, DavidForward, for saying, “It takes an honest man (or woman) to admit they may have made a mistake and reevaluate their position. Congratulations on proving you are such [an] individual! Personal integrity and common sense are sorely missed in our devolving police state; keep up the good work, honest thoughts, and evaluations.”

Thanks, too, to TheOriginalDave, who wrote, “Wow. I’m impressed. Not many people will own up to their errors. Thanks, Chip.”

And to frequent commentator Vicki, who wrote, “Thank you, Chip. We were wondering ‘cause you have always been a staunch supporter of individual liberty for all.”

I still am and always will be, Vicki. But I’ve got to admit, I blew it this time. Thanks to everyone who made sure I didn’t get away with it.

Next week we’ll be back taking aim at the enemies of liberty. I hope you’ll join us.

Until then, keep some powder dry.

-Chip Wood

 

Personal Liberty

Chip Wood

is the geopolitical editor of PersonalLiberty.com. He is the founder of Soundview Publications, in Atlanta, where he was also the host of an award-winning radio talk show for many years. He was the publisher of several bestselling books, including Crisis Investing by Doug Casey, None Dare Call It Conspiracy by Gary Allen and Larry Abraham and The War on Gold by Anthony Sutton. Chip is well known on the investment conference circuit where he has served as Master of Ceremonies for FreedomFest, The New Orleans Investment Conference, Sovereign Society, and The Atlanta Investment Conference.

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  • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

    An 89-year-old World War II veteran (WHITE) was savagely beaten by two TEENAGERS (BLACKS) in a parking lot in Spokane, WA, on Wednesday (08/21/13) evening, KXLY-TV reports.

    Delbert Belton DIED in the hospital Thursday morning FROM THE INJURIES HE SUSTAINED IN THE BRUTAL ATTACK.
    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/08/22/89-year-old-wwii-veteran-beaten-to-death-by-two-teens-in-parking-lot-suspect-photos-released/

    P.S. The great RACIST-in-chief undoubtedly is PROUD. And I am sure If Charlatan had TWO more sons…Yes, you are correct – they’d look like them.

    • hipshotpercussion

      That’s why this senior carries a gun. I don’t care what color you are, you try to hurt me, I will send you home to your creator. I’m just to dam old to take an A$$ whooping.

    • NC

      Alondra, I am as sorry to hear about the white veteran as I was to hear of that black fellow who had his head dragged off behind that pickup by a couple white guys!
      How many of your ancestors died of INTENTIONAL maltreatment by blacks when they had white slaves in the south? I did get that right didn’t I??? OOPS! Sorry!! YOU ARE BIG ON POINTING OUT THINGS FROM THE PAST! WOULD YOU LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THAT PAST? NO????

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Except for one thing, you are NOT sorry to hear about the white veteran or to hear of that black fellow who had his head dragged off behind that pickup by a couple white guys!
        Tell your handlers to write better for you.

        • NC

          Batki, you have committed the most common sin of conservatives> Thinking that you always know what others are thinking! You are 100% WRONG!!!!!!!!!!! I’m betting the adult independents are wondering just how you would know that.
          I DON’T LIKE TO HEAR OF ANYONE DYING! AT 78, I AM TOO CLOSE TO DEATH MYSELF AND I WOULD JUST AS SOON NOT HEAR OF IT.
          TELL YOUR HANDLERS IF THEY SOUND THIS STUPID AGAIN YOU WILL PEE ON THEIR LEG!!

      • Barakolips

        Sorry NC but the slave days are over and the NEW racists are progressive liberals. Your man Oballah has taken civil rights back decades with his race baiting and dividing of the races. Divide and conquer- Straight out of the Marxist handbook.

        • Don 2

          Timbo,
          You are right about the progressive liberals who want to keep the black man down and a loyal Democrat voter, but if NC really wants to go back in history, let’s discuss black African chiefs attacking and capturing other black African tribes, and selling them into slavery to be shipped to America, or the widespread history of slavery by countries such as Cambodia with their sex slave industry, or Muslim slavery, both then, and now. In NC’s narrow twisted mind, it’s all whitey.

    • Don 2

      Where da justice brudders, Al and Jessie?

  • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

    Three teenagers — ages 15, 16 and 17 (2 BLACKS, 1 WHITE – reportedly
    charged with using a vehicle to facilitate the discharge of a weapon and accessory after the fact of murder in the first degree) shot and killed Christopher Lane, an Australian, who was in the U.S. on a baseball scholarship.

    The motive? According to Police report “Three teens who had nothing better to do: ‘We were going to kill somebody”.

    15-year-old James Edwards (BLACK) Jr., tweeted, “With my nigers when it’s time to start taken life’s”.

    Back in April, he tweeted, “90% of white ppl (people) are nasty. #HATE THEM.” http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/21/justice/australia-student-killed-oklahoma

    • Don 2

      It’s not a gun problem, it’s a gang problem.

      • Average_Joe56

        It’s not a gun problem, it’s not even a gang problem….It’s a morality problem, it’s a parenting problem and it is an entitlement problem.
        __________________________________________________

        Barack says we need to have a conversation about race in America .. Fair enough. But this time, it has to be a two-way conversation. White America needs to be heard from, not just lectured to. This time, the silent majority needs to have its convictions, grievances and demands heard. And among them are these:

        First, America has been the best country on earth for black folks. It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known. Wright ought to go down on his knees and thank God he is an American.

        Second, no people anywhere has done more to lift up blacks than white Americans. Untold trillions have been spent since the ’60s on welfare, food stamps, rent supplements, Section 8 housing, Pell grants, student loans, legal services, Medicaid, Earned Income Tax Credits and poverty programs designed to bring the black American community into the mainstream. Governments, businesses and colleges have engaged in discrimination against white folks — with affirmative action, contract set-asides and quotas — to advance black applicants over white applicants. Churches, foundations, civic groups, schools and individuals all over America have donated their time and money to support soup kitchens, adult education, day care, retirement and nursing homes for blacks.
        We hear the grievances. Where is the gratitude?

        Barack talks about new ‘ladders of opportunity’ for blacks. Let him go to Altoona, Johnstown , and ask the white kids in Catholic schools how many were visited lately by Ivy League recruiters handing out scholarships for ‘deserving’ white kids ? Is white America really responsible for the fact that the crime and incarceration rates for black Americans are seven times those of white America ? Is it really white America’s fault that illegitimacy in the black American community has hit 70 percent and the black dropout rate from high schools in some cities has reached 50 percent?

        Is that the fault of white America or, first and foremost, a failure of the black community itself?

        As for racism, its ugliest manifestation is in interracial crime, and especially interracial crimes of violence. Is Barack Obama aware that while white criminals choose black victims 3 percent of the time, black criminals choose white victims 45 percent of the time?

        Is Barack aware that black-on-white rapes are 100 times more common than the reverse, that black-on-white robberies were 139 times as common in the first three years of this decade as the reverse?

        We have all heard ad nauseam from the Rev. Al about Tawana Brawley, the Duke rape case and Jena . And all turned out to be hoaxes. But about the epidemic of black assaults on whites that are real, we hear nothing.

        Sorry, Barack, some of us have heard it all before, about 40 years and 40 trillion tax dollars ago. This needs to be passed around because, this is a message everyone needs to hear !

        By Patrick J. Buchanan

        OK will you pass it on ?

        I did but will you?

        I did…..Because I’m for a better America.

        • Don 2

          Although I may agree with much of what Buchanan said, the fact that LAPD’s website states that there are over 450 gangs in L.A. alone, with over 45,000 gang members, the fact that there are daily gang attacks and killings in Chicago, Spokane, Buffalo and most other large cities, the fact that new information indicating that gang initiation may have been the cause for Christopher Lane’s death, does indeed show that we do have a gang problem.

          • Average_Joe56

            I understand what you are saying, but the root of the “gang” problem is ….
            A lack of morality, a lack of parenting and the “we are entitled” mentality.

  • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

    Four teenagers (BLACKS) have been accused in the beating death of Joshua Heath Chellew, 36 (WHITE). They repeatedly punched and kicked him, according to police report.

    Then they walked away from Chellew, “leaving him helpless,” and he was eventually hit by a car.

    A horrible, senseless murder. Why hasn’t it received wider attention?
    If the races had been reversed, this would be the biggest news story in the MSM. It would have knocked the Zimmerman trial out of the news.

    Or, if Chellew had been able to defend himself against one or all of them, he’d be the new George Zimmerman. We’d be seeing baby pictures of his attackers. Al Sharpton would be marching. Jay Carney would be filibustering away all questions about Obama’s latest race-baiting. MSNBC would be on full alert.

    But Joshua wasn’t able to defend himself. He probably deserved it, right? Just look at him. You can’t get any whiter than that.

    JUST ANOTHER “CREEPY-ASS CRACKER”.
    http://dailycaller.com/2013/07/12/why-is-joshua-chellew-less-important-than-trayvon-martin/

    P.S. P.S. The great RACIST-in-chief undoubtedly is PROUD of his youth. And I am sure If Charlatan had FOUR more sons…Yes, you are correct – they’d look just like them.

    • Alex

      Your race-baiting has not only grown most tiresome, Alondra, but coupled with your hysteria and lack of writing skill it also marginalizes the tiny little pin-prick points you are attempting to make.

      Why don’t you lay of the Tea and go drink a strong cup of coffee. Make sure to stir in two heaping spoons of coherence…

      • f

        Dipstick

        • Barakolips

          Answer the question Einstein, what did she say that was untrue? Were waiting.

          • Average_Joe56

            Nonsensical questions can’t be answered…….
            But hey, here you go. We like coffee and we like tea….it’s the Liberal Fool Aide that we can’t stomach.
            We can’t stand the nasty after taste, the upset stomach or the brain fog that arrives shortly after drinking such a foul drink……. I guess we’ll just have to stick with the tea.

      • rhcrest

        What exactly did Alondra state that was untrue?

    • FreedomFighter

      If you scan the “real news” and avoided the state controlled media you will find “black on white” assaults and murder are becoming epidemic. I suggest situational awareness and concealed carry and to travel in multiples all armed.

      If you scan the “government controlled media” and avoided the “real news outlets” you will find “black on white” assaults and murder do not exist
      It would seem that Eric Holder and President Oblamer are giving the OK to these actions thru silence and stifling of news.
      Laus DeoSemper FI

      • dan

        just go back to Obongo’s political roots with
        Wearher Undergrounder Bill Ayers…
        the communist tactics are the same. Classical divide
        and conquer with terroristic bombings and disruption causing the establishment to over-react in a police-state like clamp down
        and using the Black -Muslim Panthers as a core for their million man army.

      • independent thinker
      • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

        There is no “NEWS” in media. ONLY brainwashing propaganda controlled by deranged, corrupt and dissolute PERVERTS.

    • Jim B.

      Our POTUS has started a racial war that cannot be stopped. He promised them so much, and produced nothing, The problem is that they don’t know it yet. Maybe after he is gone they will look back and asked themselves… what’s changed, or how come after 8 year of POTUS promises its only gotten worse for us.

      • FreedomFighter

        Economic collapse seems eminent, when it hits, the city’s will be death traps — get out if you can NOW!
        Buy long term food stores, water filtration, ammo, gold, silver, and all things needed for a disaster manmade or natural. Most of all get right with GOD
        Maybe the collapse can be avoided a bit longer, maybe not, best to be ready — Oblamers emergency meeting and sudden stock market technical problems are not good signs.
        Laus DeoSemper FI

        • KG

          So now is the time for me to lock myself in my bomb shelter? OK. But if some people want my food, should i just shoot them? After some time, I will run out of bullets – but I will NEVER run out of HUMANS.

          Thanks, no. Besides, you can only get good sushi in the city.

          • Average_Joe56

            Smart people never run out of bullets….I guess you aren’t very smart……
            I have too much ammo….said no one….ever!

          • FreedomFighter

            Enjoy the Sushi worms.
            Laus Deo
            Semper FI

      • Don 2

        Buckle your seatbelt Jim B; and invest in lead. It’s going to be a rough ride!

        • Vis Fac

          I have been investing in lead for several years now and continue to do so until the liberals manage to ban the sale of that element. The PRC has laws ready to enact that will treat people wanting to buy lead encased in copper atop a brass cylinder as criminals. Just another inane liberal idea because they know they cannot eliminate all the lead launchers, so they try other avenues.
          If one steps back and analyses the statutes presented by liberals one notices a pattern of fear and irrationality True problems are never addressed and the best a liberal can do is suggest a band aid when a compress is needed .

          The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

          A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…

          Our republic no longer exists because we have an omnipotent self centered clown in the Oval office who is as unconstitutional as anyone can be. Anyone thinking
          we still live in a republic had best take notice of what OUR elected officials are doing WITHOUT OUR consent. Our republic no longer exists because the people no longer have power!

          … A democracy can be best described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.”
          -Benjamin Franklin

          A Republic allows a well armed sheep to contest
          the vote!” This too shall be a fond memory for our rubber stamp liberally controlled congress is eagerly waiting to disarm us.

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est

          Semper-Fi

      • Dave

        Jim,
        Please explain how Obama started a race war? Are you that out of it when it comes to American history for the past 300 years.
        Alondra is a racist and she pulls these stories are relays them with her own spin as if this is a typical occurence. And I see 14 other racists so far agree with her.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          It is obvious from your comments, Shill Dave, that you are the racist.

          • Dave

            LOL… I guess if you are a moron, that is what you get from my comments… or a racist.

          • Vis Fac

            DUMB DAVE strikes again offering nothing of substance only the typical laconic response of the indolent, lackadaisical, inane liberal.

            The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

            A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…

            Our republic no longer exists because we have an omnipotent self centered clown in the Oval office who is as unconstitutional as anyone can be. Anyone thinking
            we still live in a republic had best take notice of what OUR elected officials are doing WITHOUT OUR consent. Our republic no longer exists because the people no longer have power!

            … A democracy can be best described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.” -Benjamin Franklin

            A Republic allows a well armed sheep to contest
            the vote!” This too shall be a fond memory for our rubber stamp liberally controlled congress is eagerly waiting to disarm us.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est

            Semper-Fi

          • Vis Fac

            Dumb Dave is caught up in the glitz and glamor of ODUMBO and Holder He does not realize that the race baiting perpetrated by this dynamic duo is not accidental for if they divert enough attention to other issues their malfeasance of office might slip away and out of people’s minds.

            Only fools and idiots purposely ignore facts Why? Because they want to continue leeching off the government.

            The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

            A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…

            Our republic no longer exists because we have an omnipotent self centered clown in the Oval office who is as unconstitutional as anyone can be. Anyone thinking
            we still live in a republic had best take notice of what OUR elected officials are doing WITHOUT OUR consent. Our republic no longer exists because the people no longer have power!

            … A democracy can be best described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.”
            -Benjamin Franklin

            A Republic allows a well armed sheep to contest
            the vote!” This too shall be a fond memory for our rubber stamp liberally controlled congress is eagerly waiting to disarm us.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est

        • Barakolips

          Down down down your racking up the down arrows you nutjob!

          • Average_Joe56

            A typical day in the life…of Dave….. Believe it or not, he is one of our resident trolls. His comments help us….because we get out more truth…by simply correcting his ignorance…he is an unwitting, “Conservative Helper”.
            Dave proves on a daily basis that we have nothing to fear from artificial intelligence, because he is loaded down with a full arsenal of…….. natural stupidity……….
            ;)

  • independent thinker
  • Alex

    Like so many of those on the Right (the wrong side), Chip Wood is prone to grand pronouncement ahead of reason. This time his own sycophants took him to task.

    Conservatives like the Constitution and the Bill of Rights when it suits THEIR narrow worldview. That is because most of them never bother to read the documents they blather on about.

    Seriously, Mr Wood, just HOW committed are you to civil liberties? I mean, you had to have your readers point out your error—an egregious error on the VERY SUBJECT your employer takes pride in proclaiming to be at his publication’s core.

    Aside to Mr Livingston—do you even bother to interview the hacks in your employ? Granted, none of them are very bright (in particular John ‘Cro-Mag’ Myers and the abysmal and thoroughly UNfunny Ben Crystal), but do you not at least inquire into their suitability for a publication called “Personal Liberty Digest”?

    Tsk, tsk…..

    • hipshotpercussion

      Alex, your tired and worn rhetoric impresses no one except maybe yourself. The term civil liberties is in essence a misnomer. If you take the time to read the Declaration of Independence, you will find at least 8 references to our rights that were granted to us by our creator “Natures God” or “Our Creator.” Our founding fathers were very wise men who believed in something besides themselves, and they left it for their posterity, We The People.

      • Vis Fac

        Alex in La-La Land believes himself to be wiser than anyone. The chief archetypal sage if you will.

        The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

        A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…

        Our republic no longer exists because we have an omnipotent self centered clown in the Oval office who is as unconstitutional as anyone can be. Anyone thinking we still live in a republic had best take notice of what OUR elected officials
        are doing WITHOUT OUR consent. Our republic no longer exists because the people no longer have power!

        … A democracy can be best described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.” -Benjamin Franklin

        A Republic allows a well armed sheep to contest the vote!” This too shall be a fond memory for our rubber stamp liberally
        controlled congress is eagerly waiting to disarm us.

        Libertas inaestimabilis res est

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Unlike you, Alex, Chip has the courage to admit to his mistakes.

      • Vis Fac

        Alex in La-La land is incapable of making a mistake. If you don’t believe me just ask Alex or any liberal for that matter we all know liberals never make mistakes and if a mistake is made they refer to the liberal handbook then blame others. Standard liberal tenet!
        The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

        A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…

        Our republic no longer exists because we have an omnipotent self centered clown in the Oval office who is as unconstitutional as anyone can be. Anyone believing we still live in a republic had best take notice of what OUR elected officials are doing WITHOUT OUR consent. Our republic no longer exists because the people no longer have power!

        Benjamin Franklin once said … A democracy can be best described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.”

        Our Republic that allows for a well armed sheep to contest the vote!” shall soon be a fond memory for our rubber stamp liberally controlled congress is eagerly waiting to disarm us.

        Libertas inaestimabilis res est

        Semper-Fi

  • KG

    What amazed me about Chip’s article was the revelation of the occult nature of Libertarianism.

    On the surface, most of it’s rhetoric is wrapped in the Flag and Apple Pie sentiments. But if you go beneath the thin veneer of the sunshine patriotism, you see a seething hatred of the liberties that people in America exhibit. And the worse part is the inhibited, yet very open, racial component. What if the New York Police started to ‘stop and frisk’ up-state farmers? Or old Jewish people on the lower east side?

    There was an organization that did that in Germany about 70 years ago. While I cannot say for certain if Chip would have been critical of those people, it would seem that as long as they were doing it to the ‘right’ people, it would be OK.

    • Alex

      A+

      • KG

        Thanx, Bro! LOL AFK BRB!

        • nc

          KG, I’M thinking that Daddy Bob done took Chip to the woodshed for a whuppin” and a command to go back and “correct” that past column with this column. It’s strange that Chip didn’t do his “home work” before his first column????/ OR DID HE?????? So much for the domestic tranquility that the Constitution is to provide, How can we do that without knowing who are carrying the weapons that VERY OFTEN disturbs that domestic tranquility with senseless shootings and robberies????
          STOP AND FRISK or just ask them kindly? You know, they might tell you the truth and then,again, they might not!! I wonder what the chances are that the person illegally carrying a gun will tell you the truth if you just ask him if he has a gun?????

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Insofar as Liberal Progressives have shown themselves to have no morality with their hands constantly in other peoples’ pockets, I suggest Cavity Searches for all Liberal Progressives, at least once a week. Of course I kid. Who would volunteer for such a smelly task?

          • Dave

            LOL.. like you know anything about my morality DaveH8…

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I know that you are disrespectful and dishonest, Shill Dave. I know that you are part of the Society of Criminals, Shill Dave. Everything else follows from those facts:
            http://mises.org/daily/4125

          • Dave

            You talk about being disrespectful?
            Another “dave’ the other day complained about your personal attacks… Frank Kahn, one of your conservative friends let you have it for being disrespectful.
            You are inheriently dishonest for pushing that mises economic garbage on everyone.
            All you give is un supported opinion from mises and that makes you honest? HA!
            You want to see disrespectful and dishonest? Look in the mirror DaveH8.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Only if you were standing behind me.
            Now that’s an ugly thought.

          • vicki

            Dave writes to DaveH:

            You are inheriently dishonest for pushing that mises economic garbage on everyone.

            DaveH provides us links that we can choose to go to and become wiser. Or not. This is hardly pushing anything.

            You however have no problem having government force push us to not exercise many of our God given rights. Your posts on this site are sufficient evidence thereof.

          • vicki

            We know a great deal about your morality Dave. It speaks to us thru your words.

          • vicki

            We know a great deal about your morality Dave. It speaks to us thru your words.

          • Vis Fac

            Simple solution would be to adhere to and promote the Second Amendment and have everyone armed.

            An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life. Robert A. Heinlein so why is this concept so hard to comprehend?

            The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

            A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…

            Our republic no longer exists because we have an omnipotent self centered clown in the Oval office who is as unconstitutional as anyone can be. Anyone believing
            we still live in a republic had best take notice of what OUR elected officials are doing WITHOUT OUR consent. Our republic no longer exists because the people no longer have power!

            Benjamin Franklin once said … A democracy can be best described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb
            contesting the vote.”

            Our Republic that allows for a well armed sheep to contest the vote!” shall soon be a fond memory for our rubber stamp liberally controlled congress is eagerly waiting to disarm us.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est

            Semper-Fi

          • Dave

            Blount tool, why does AZ has a higher crime rate than MA genius? You can get a gun here super easy yet crime still happens and please don’t give me your “its the illegals” BS my little psychotic…

          • Average_Joe56

            That’s pretty simple to answer:
            Illegal aliens with no regard for the law…any questions?
            ( special emphasis on ILLEGAL)
            Yes, Dave, we already know that anything that you disagree with (pretty much everything) is BS (according to you)….no need to actually tell us….we already understand your particular mental affliction (being genetic and all)….. You’re a liberal…..a one dimensional entity with a one track mind.
            The Obvious answer….. the Correct answer….is always the one that you don’t want us to articulate…why is that?
            Sorry, the truth often hurts….enjoy your pain…..

          • Barakolips

            Everyone knows its the illegals including you Dave and I live in Arizona,its the illegals!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Arizona’s violent crime rate for 2011 was 406 per 100,000.
            http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/azcrime.htm
            Massachusetts’ violent crime rate for 2011 was 428 per 100,000.
            http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/macrime.htm

            Arizona is dead last on the Brady Campaign ranking of states by gun control, and Massachusetts is 3rd:
            http://www.bradycampaign.me/sites/default/files/2011_Brady_Campaign_State_Scorecard_Rankings.pdf

            Also since Arizona borders on Mexico, we are right in the middle of the Drug Wars. We could end that influence on violence almost overnight by legalizing drugs — by actually learning from history for once:
            http://library.mises.org/books/Mark%20Thornton/Economics%20of%20Prohibition.pdf

            But what will the drug warriors do? How will they get their door-busting fixes? What excuse will they use then to bully people who aren’t harming anybody but themselves?
            http://www.cato.org/raidmap

          • vicki

            Dave admits that guns do NOT cause crime. Perhaps there is hope yet.

          • vicki

            Dave admits that guns do NOT cause crime. Perhaps there is hope yet.

      • Vis Fac

        Alex in La-La land strikes again birds of a feather I see Clearly dementia has taken hold of you and KGB’s collective vacuum you like to call a brain and so you form you own little mutual admiration society would you two like to get a room?

        The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

        A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…

        Our republic no longer exists because we have an omnipotent self centered clown in the Oval office who is as unconstitutional as anyone can be. Anyone believing we still live in a republic had best take notice of what OUR elected officials are doing WITHOUT OUR consent. Our republic no longer exists because the people no longer have power!

        Benjamin Franklin once said … A democracy can be best described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.”

        Our Republic that allows for a well armed sheep to contest the vote!” shall soon be a fond memory for our rubber stamp liberally controlled congress is eagerly waiting to disarm us.

        Libertas inaestimabilis res est

        Semper-Fi

    • FreedomFighter

      KG please keep your shard-born ideas that fester in your fimicolous mind . Your constant effort to bemute and bescumber everyone that thinks differently than you is no more than an Alinsky tactic almost all here know well and ignore – stop wasting my time with posts of steatorrhea.
      PS please use the dictionary so you really know what I just said…

      Laus Deo
      Semper FI

      • KG

        This is the sort of nonsense up with which I will not put. The seemingly innocuous balderdash of bemused bereavement that you wish to visit upon my gentile manor is not uncommon amongst chauvinistic patriots such as yourself. Why not impale thyself on thine own flagstaff?

        • Nadzieja Batki

          Still a load of C–P, perfumed and powdered.

          • Average_Joe56

            Yep…like putting lipstick on a pig……

        • Vis Fac

          KGB your inferiority complex is showing best tame that beast before you lose it completely!

          The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

          A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…

          Our republic no longer exists because we have an omnipotent self centered clown in the Oval office who is as unconstitutional as anyone can be. Anyone believing
          we still live in a republic had best take notice of what OUR elected officials are doing WITHOUT OUR consent. Our republic no longer exists because the people no longer have power!

          Benjamin Franklin once said … A democracy can be best described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb
          contesting the vote.”

          Our Republic that allows for a well armed sheep to contest the vote!” shall soon be a fond memory for our rubber stamp liberally controlled congress is eagerly waiting to disarm us.

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est

          Semper-Fi

        • Vis Fac

          KGB your inferiority complex is showing best tame that beast before you lose it completely!

          The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

          A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…

          Our republic no longer exists because we have an omnipotent self centered clown in the Oval office who is as unconstitutional as anyone can be. Anyone believing
          we still live in a republic had best take notice of what OUR elected officials are doing WITHOUT OUR consent. Our republic no longer exists because the people no longer have power!

          Benjamin Franklin once said … A democracy can be best described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb
          contesting the vote.”

          Our Republic that allows for a well armed sheep to contest the vote!” shall soon be a fond memory for our rubber stamp liberally controlled congress is eagerly waiting to disarm us.

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est

          Semper-Fi

      • Vis Fac

        FF I’d go with that however I prefer to use the term cerebrally necrotic to describe KGB

        The fungus among us is a nice touch as well. I like your style.

        The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

        A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…

        Our republic no longer exists because we have an omnipotent self centered clown in the Oval office who is as unconstitutional as anyone can be. Anyone believing we still live in a republic had best take notice of what OUR elected officials
        are doing WITHOUT OUR consent. Our republic no longer exists because the people no longer have power!

        Benjamin Franklin once said … A democracy can be best described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.”

        Our Republic that allows for a well armed sheep to contest the vote!” shall soon be a fond memory for our rubber stamp liberally controlled congress is eagerly waiting to disarm us.

        Libertas inaestimabilis res est

        Semper-Fi

      • Average_Joe56

        KG….dictionary….read?….That’s not going to happen. What were you thinking?
        ;)

    • TheTruthHurtsAsWell

      …Bloomberg? The gabillionaire statist?

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      What part of Libertarianism do you find objectionable, KGB?
      Please be specific, no rambling please.

      • Vis Fac

        TODH you are asking for the impossible of a Marxist.

        How do you tell a communist? Well, it’s someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist?
        It’s someone who understands Marx and Lenin.
        Ronald Reagan

        The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

        A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…

        Our republic no longer exists because we have an omnipotent self centered clown in the Oval office who is as unconstitutional as anyone can be. Anyone believing we still live in a republic had best take notice of what OUR elected officials are doing WITHOUT OUR consent. Our republic no longer exists because the people no longer have power!

        Benjamin Franklin once said … A democracy can be best described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.”

        Our Republic that allows for a well armed sheep to contest the vote!” shall soon be a fond memory for our rubber stamp liberally controlled congress is eagerly waiting to disarm us.

        Libertas inaestimabilis res est

        Semper-Fi

      • KG

        Libertarianism suffers from the delusion that all of the success a person has in his life was achieved by his own initiative. That people are strictly judged by their personal gains. This is a failure to recognize that individuals do not proceed through life in a vacuum. Nor do gains that a person acquires are strictly of his own making. This attitude is completely contrary to the concept of “We”. It is based on the selfish notion of “I”. And is in total disagreement with our country’s founding. The first three words of our constitution say “We, the People.” Not “We, the individuals.”

        Our President, Mr. Obama was completely correct when he said “…you didn’t build that.” for he was speaking of all the commonwealth that has been used to promote business and true entrepreneurship. Our government built roads and bridges to facilitate commerce amongst the citizens. Our government makes sure that the water you drink is safe. Our government provides services to the less fortunate so as to promote the general welfare of it’s citizens (unless you want panhandlers in your neighborhood).

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          I said no rambling, KGB. And I certainly didn’t want your straw-man arguments.

          KGB says — “Libertarianism suffers from the delusion that all of the success a person has in his life was achieved by his own initiative”.
          Hardly. Apparently KGB believes in Implied Contracts where somebody helps somebody else, ostensibly with no strings attached, and then comes back latter wanting compensation for their uncontracted actions.
          What we do believe is that contracts should be voluntary. If you think I can’t do something without your help, KGB, then state your terms up front. I reserve the right to accept them or reject them.

          KGB says — “This attitude is completely contrary to the concept of “We”. It is based on the selfish notion of “I”.”.
          And rightfully so, because what is “We” but a collection of individuals working together because they think they will benefit more as individuals in a group?

          KGB says — “The first three words of our constitution say “We, the People.” Not “We, the individuals.””.
          What are “people”, if not individuals, KGB? Are we joined at the hip (what an ugly thought) whether I like it or not, Bully?

          KGB says — “Our government built roads and bridges to facilitate commerce amongst the citizens. Our government makes sure that the water you drink is safe. Our government provides services to the less fortunate so as to promote the general welfare of it’s citizens (unless you want panhandlers in your neighborhood).”.
          Our Government took our money, against our wills, to build roads that would have been more efficiently and more cheaply built by the Private Sector. Our drinking water would be better served also by the Private Sector.
          The Federal Government does not have the legitimate Constitutional Power to provide Welfare to the citizens (see Federalist #41). And we do have Panhandlers in our neighborhood, KGB. They’re called Democrats and Republicans usually.
          http://www.constitution.org/fed/federa41.htm

          • KG

            I just love the way that you make yourself ‘correct’ in every way. If I said the sky looked pink, you would say “…but it’s really Blue…”, not to correct me but to feed your own inflated ego.

            quote:…because they think they will benefit more as individuals in a group…

            Or a group of individuals? Either way, the individuals would not be able to do anything if it weren’t for the group.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            That would be up to the individuals to decide in a Free and Moral Society, KGB. Did you just break out in a rash?

          • Dave

            Who enforces that “morality” DaveH that manifests itself into “laws”?

          • KG

            What makes it ‘free and moral’? Magic? No, it’s the GROUP that decides what’s free and moral.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I’ve asked you before, KGB, to delineate your moral values, but you smartly don’t answer me.
            Do you think it’s right to steal other peoples’ money?
            Do you think it’s right to force your way on other people?

          • Dave

            And you can’t/won’t answer the question DaveH8

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Do you think it’s right to steal other peoples’ money, Shill Dave?
            Do you think it’s right to force your way on other people, Shill Dave?

          • KG

            Is it right to steal other peoples’ money? Of course not. However, in any civilization, to accommodate it’s citizens with services only a government can provide, taxes are necessary. The people who benefit the most should pay the most. I personally do not use airports very much, but business people use them all the time. I do not use port facilities at all, but rich business owners use ships for shipping their good. My government has provided these facilities at great cost to accommodate it’s citizens in the course of commerce.

            Is it right to force “your” way onto other people? What is my way? Do you mean following the rules of an orderly society? If I see someone vandalizing public property I have a duty to inform the Police. If someone is sacrificing goats in their backyard, while it may be a sweet savor to G-d, I would inform Animal Control if it really bothered me. No one is stopping anyone from doing anything they want to. Unless it is found to be offensive or derogatory to some class of people. And how do we know that? Hopefully, during childhood your parents taught you enough about manners and mores that are practiced in our society.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            KGB says — “to accommodate it’s citizens with services only a government can provide, taxes are necessary”.
            There are few (if any) services that Government can provide that the Private Sector can’t provide more efficiently, more cheaply, and more politely, to Voluntary customers who aren’t being forced to pay for services they don’t desire or use.
            And taking money from involuntary donors is Theft, no matter how much you rationalize it, KGB.

            KGB says — “My government has provided these facilities at great cost to accommodate it’s citizens in the course of commerce”.
            No KGB, your Government didn’t provide those facilities, the taxpayers did.

            KGB says — “No one is stopping anyone from doing anything they want to. Unless it is found to be offensive or derogatory to some class of people”.
            Unless it is found offensive or derogatory? Somebody, somewhere can find offense in almost any action we take.
            That’s why the only practical laws are those which punish people for trespassing Physically on other peoples’ bodies or property. And that would be people like KGB, who have no qualms about trespassing on other peoples’ bodies and property as long as they get what they want.

          • KG

            Privatization of public services does nothing more than help enrich a very few at the expense of many.

            http://www.alternet.org/story/153093/privatization_nightmare%3A_5_public_services_that_should_never_be_handed_over_to_greedy_corporations?paging=off

            quote: And that would be people like KGB, who have no qualms about trespassing on other peoples’ bodies and property as long as they get what they want.

            If those people are doing criminal acts, then as citizens, it is the duty of the civilization to correct that unacceptable behavior. And if those citizens are receiving government services and in default of providing their contribution to that government, then that government would seem proper in its execution of the laws that pertain to such a case. And in our society, the level of executive power exerted should match the level of offense. If someone owes 5 dollars, their penalty should be commensurate to that 5 dollars. And if someone owes 5 million dollars, then that penalty should be as equal to the offense as well. I can see the need of IRS agents needing AR-15’s in some cases. Because, lets face it, most of these ‘tax offenders’ happen to be Militia members as well.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            KGB says — “Privatization of public services does nothing more than help enrich a very few at the expense of many”.
            How would that be? If the Government sells the property to the highest bidder, that Private Company has paid market value for it. So how does that “enrich” them? And when the new owners operate that company in a Free Market, they will no longer have consumers who have no choice like was the case when it was a Government-run Monopoly.
            KGB has it exactly backwards — Monopoly Government-run companies “help to enrich a very few at the expense of the many”.
            Ahh, the politics of jealousy. You gotta love those Commies (NOT!).

            Those people, who don’t want to be future victims of KGB’s Nomenklatura, should read this:
            http://library.mises.org/books/Kel%20Kelly/The%20Case%20for%20Legalizing%20Capitalism.pdf

          • KG

            The difference is with private companies they have to make enough money to pay their CIO’s in the millions. In a government monopoly, they only need enough revenue to cover the costs of operations and meet the needs of the customers – the citizens. A private company has absolutely no concern other than to make money. That’s why certain services are seen as so vital as to keep it in the peoples hands through their government.

            When I lived in California, the republican governor allowed the sale of public utilities to private companies. My first question was how could he sell something that doesn’t even belong to him? Yet the sales were made. Almost immediately, these private companies started to schedule routine maintenance in the middle of summer when the demand was high. They actually caused blackouts to manipulate the markets to their advantage.

            There were people who died in hospitals because of the loss of electricity. They made millions on the ‘open markets’ at the cost of some of our sickest citizens. So don’t tell me that private business can do anything better than public services run by the Peoples government. Unless you feel it’s OK to kill people in pursuit of profits.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            KGB says — “The difference is with private companies they have to make enough money to pay their CIO’s in the millions”.
            Ahh, the politics of jealousy. I can’t even imagine what it must be like to tortured with such emotions.
            I’m assuming you meant CEOs, KGB. I don’t care what they pay their company officers. All I care about is how much I pay for what they are offering me. And we know that if they don’t please us, they lose us as customers to their competitors, unlike Monopoly Coercive Government. Companies in Free Markets must make a profit to exist for long. Government, on the other hand, can just raise their taxes if they aren’t breaking even. So why should they care? And they don’t. We can see that when we get our drivers license or otherwise deal with Government agents as opposed to the polite treatment we get from Private business people. It’s not because the Private businesses are necessarily nicer people. They just have no choice if they want to continue in business.
            The ultimate test, KGB, would be to see how long Government could exist in competition with Private businesses, with Government being constrained to reporting every dime they expend of the taxpayers’ money.
            Even then, there is an overriding concern, and that is — With Government provided services, everybody must pay whether they use or desire the service. With Private businesses, only the actual users of their services pay for those services. So one person doesn’t get to ride on the back of another person.
            I know that isn’t fair to you unproductive Socialists, KGB, but you’d just have to live with it.

          • KG

            quote:So why should they [government workers] care? And they don’t. We can see that when we get our
            drivers license or otherwise deal with Government agents as opposed to
            the polite treatment we get from Private business people.

            Have you ever had to apply for a loan? Some politeness there. I think if you were more polite to the government workers, you may receive a different reception than the one your getting now. The private people can service me IF they want to, but the government HAS to service me. Because I am part of the society that the government was provided for.

            My mom worked for sec:8 housing in Los Angeles. Many people came in there with whole families, little babies, toddlers, etc. My mom used to have a big bowl of candy on her counter. And she would dress-up for holidays. She loved her job, and it wasn’t for the pay. She made much more money in the private sector. But the retirement as well as the health care helped her to go ahead and work in the public sector. The earthquake of 1994 was a really hard time. My mother had to work with the disaster relief people of the city of LA – Had to – there was no choice because as a civil servant, your job is like in the military. If she were in the private sector, she could have refused the 48-72 hour shifts she had to work. I’m sorry for your bad experience at the DMV. I think if you went there with a better attitude your results may be better.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Yes I have applied for many loans, KGB, and they were always very polite to me. The only thing onerous about the process was all the paperwork I had to fill out to satisfy the Government.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Yes I have applied for many loans, KGB, and they were always very polite to me. The only thing onerous about the process was all the paperwork I had to fill out to satisfy the Government.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            KGB says — “Almost immediately, these private companies started to schedule routine maintenance in the middle of summer when the demand was high. They actually caused blackouts to manipulate the markets to their advantage”.
            I pronounce that BS, KGB. The so-called deregulation that took place in California was anything but Free Markets at work. For the full story, read these:
            http://reason.org/news/show/122300.html
            http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/californias-troubles-not-caused-deregulation
            http://mises.org/daily/1954

          • KG

            I lived in California at that time. I was there when the temperature was 108′ and the power went out at about 3 pm and didn’t come on until 6 or 7pm. The whole thing was promoted just like telephone service deregulation. There would be “competition” between service providers. The whole thing was a grand scheme so a few rich people could take money from Grandmothers and line their own pockets at the cost of the citizens. What’s ironic about the whole thing was DWP of Los Angeles, the most unionized power provider next to ConEdison in New York, provided the most energy at the lowest cost. Anyone living in the suburbs usually had Edision and their power was going off constantly. And their rates increased despite the lousy service they were getting. But the worse part of the whole affair is the people who died in hospitals and in un airconditioned houses, the old and sick. Those CEO’s should go to jail for what they did in the name of ‘free markets’.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Obviously, KGB, you didn’t read the articles I posted. Those markets were anything BUT Free.

          • Jack

            The OriginalDaveH:
            One rule that you and MIses live by is that anytime one of your “great ideas” is put in to effect and then turns to s**t, its never because the “great idea” was in fact a bad one. Instead you continue to say the idea was great but somehow it wasn’t properly implemented.
            The Enron, energy deregulation, policies that were put in place cost the people of California Billions in excessive electricity charges. The whole deregulation scheme was a fraud designed to allow a few “businessmen” to rip off massive sums of money from the public.
            You constantly rail against the government taxing you, stealing your money, while at the same time you condone private businesses whose practices steal millions and billions from everyday people.

            You guys have a similar rule for politicians, they are great conservatives until their policies and practices fail (the very policies and practices you supported) and then they become neocons, they weren’t really true conservatives. “If only true conservatives had put those same policies into effect they would have worked so well”.
            Citing three articles from people/ groups that supported the electric deregulation policies that created the Enron scandal, does not change history. Deregulation of the electrical system was a massive scandal and it didn’t work.
            Why did utilities became regulated industries many, many years ago? It’s because private companies were ripping off the public. They were regulated to insure that they could no longer rip the public off.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Obviously, Jack, you didn’t read the articles.
            Deregulation my arse.
            The problem is that you speak from a platform of Ignorance and Jealousy.
            There are companies who rip off the consumers, but they do so with the protection of Big Government — the same Big Government that stooges like you promote, thinking they’re the Solution when in fact, they’re the Problem.
            Read the articles, Ignoramus, and learn something instead of spouting your mindless Socialist Propaganda.
            The voice of experience (which Jack will ignore):
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ym4Xt0T6fM&feature=player_embedded

          • vicki

            KG writes:

            The difference is with private companies they have to make enough money to pay their CIO’s in the millions”.

            No they do not. They do CHOOSE to pay their officers large incomes because that person has shown an ability to lead the company to more profit.

            Now lets talk about government for a moment. No competition. No need to provide quality service/product that the customer will choose this company over that. And still there is some bureaucrat somewhere that wants to get paid lots of money to do nothing since he doesn’t need to compete.

          • vicki

            KG writes:

            The difference is with private companies they have to make enough money to pay their CIO’s in the millions”.

            No they do not. They do CHOOSE to pay their officers large incomes because that person has shown an ability to lead the company to more profit.

            Now lets talk about government for a moment. No competition. No need to provide quality service/product that the customer will choose this company over that. And still there is some bureaucrat somewhere that wants to get paid lots of money to do nothing since he doesn’t need to compete.

          • KG

            Here is a quote from a peer reviewed paper done by
            Cooper, Gulen, and Ragavendura Rau

            We find evidence that industry and size adjusted CEO pay is negatively related to future shareholder wealth changes for periods up to five years after sorting on pay. For example, firms that pay their CEOs in the top ten percent of pay earn negative abnormal returns over the next five years of approximately -13%. The effect is stronger for CEOs who receive higher incentive pay relative to their peers. Our results are consistent with high-pay induced CEO overconfidence and investor overreaction towards firms with high paid CEOs.

            And as we learned in 2008, there is absolutely no correlation between CEO pay and financial stability.

            Does Government need competition to better serve it’s citizens? The many attempts at privatization in America with everything from trash collection to data processing has been shown that while initially the private firms seem to be saving money, eventually they all seem to start to cost more than their public counterparts. The only thing that privatization does is put the citizens tax money into rich peoples pockets.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            So if the group decides it’s moral to waterboard you, KGB, then that’s okay?

          • KG

            What makes it ‘free and moral’? Magic? No, it’s the GROUP that decides what’s free and moral.

          • WTS/JAY
          • TheOriginalDaveH

            The Leaders are always happy to grow their Power to help those in need, no matter how many needy people they create in the process.
            Speaking of “fun”, we would all have a lot more fun if the Government wasn’t spending 40% of our GDP.

        • Barakolips

          Yawn…………….zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  • FreedomFighter

    Excellent post — your integrity and honesty is as always admired, appreciated and respected. One of the many reasons I read PL daily.
    Laus DeoSemper FI

  • Lee Berry

    I see that we have not lost you after-all. That is a welcome >sigh< of relief!!

  • D.J.

    Welcome back.

  • Robbie

    Die free!

    • hungry4food

      90 or so states in the union might make a Better Republic !!!!

      Dang near every state has lots of conservatives who this same way and would
      like a better voice so why not have 90 states ??? Lets Give them a
      Little taste of their own Overwhelm the System Medicine !!!

      You remember reading this by Wayne Allen Root about How Obama came to
      Washington with a Mission that was developed out of his Community of Organizers
      whose mission is to change the USA and their way was to ” Overwhelm The
      System ” so it would collapse . So lets turn it around on them and Instead
      of making a Bigger Bureaucracy we need More Independent representation and that
      can come with the expansion of states and representatives instead of just
      Unaccountable Bureaucrats.

      If half the People in the USA demanded this the Power of that many
      people would be incredible . The Majority of people that do not usually vote I
      bet would increase if this were attempted to be Instituted .

      The need for more Representation of the Peoples voices
      may be better served and a Result of better diversity could be the success
      behind this sort of expansion of states .

      So its time to Shake up the
      Establishment !!!!!!!!!!!!

      I went to the website in Colorado and saw that my state of Oregon is in the
      works !!!!!

      This is going to be a Big Deal and make a Lot of Noise
      !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      http://www.51ststate.org/tp50/page.asp?ID=316153

      I sure
      Like what This is talking about .

      The 51st
      State initiative has a website and appeals to the Declaration of Independence
      as justification for its efforts, writing: When in the Course of human events,
      it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have
      connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the
      separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God
      entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they
      should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. The 51st State
      website claims that their initiative is simple. “We just want to be left alone
      to live our lives without heavy-handed restrictions from the state capitol,”
      read a post on the website. “The concerns of rural Coloradans have been ignored
      for years,” William Garcia, chairman of the Weld County Commissioners, said in
      a statement. “The last session was the straw that broke the camel’s back for
      many people. They want change. They want to be heard.”

      Read
      more: http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/08/rural-coloradans-vote-to-secede-from-colorado-as-51st-state-north-colorado-cite-sweeping-gun-energy-laws/#ixzz2ck97ZPgo

  • TIME

    Dear Chip,
    It takes courage as well moral high ground to admit that one has fallen for the Illusion that has been fostered to make us in some perverted way { feel safe.} Not unlike the NSA’S role in this perversion of twisted pretzel logic.
    The part that most fail to understand is that there is nothing we know, experience or even see, that is not within this ” perverted Illusion.”
    As to Ann Coulter she’s a tad crazy, then mixed that in with her attachment to this “perverted Illusion”, as so many are whom we are TOLD are leaders, if one really examines these people what you will find time after time is, very few are really in favor of that crazy little idea called “PERSONAL FREEDOM’S” / Liberty.
    Ann Coulter is really no different than any of the other control grid freaks on either side of the table, all of whom are still firmly attached to the delusions that they stand for what allows FREEDOM’S to be fostered. Oddly all the while our FREEDOMS have been stripped away, one by one with this same magic trick, oddly TIME after TIME.
    If they would just drop their ego’s the view would change in a nano second.
    Again Thank You for revisiting this issue and taking a strong second look at the true ramifications as well implications of what has an outward look of some form of safety.
    Yet really is nothing more nor less than one more nail in the coffin of true Personal Liberty / FREEDOM.
    Peace and Love

  • red neck

    Glad to see the turn-around Chip…. Now it’s time to turn the tables on the ones that are perpetrating these illegal actions against private law-abiding citizens!
    I am a firm believer that when enough people will stand and fight the beast that the beast will have no other option but to retreat…..

  • dan

    meh…things are depressing enough without having patriots flaking out….
    but in liberal strongholds like New York City or say Chicago (and the list grows daily) where the populous is so irresponsible as to have voted for totoletarianism…..
    i would say one jackboot on their throat is not adequate….
    ….but it never ends there . We defend their rights to defend our own.

  • Dave

    Ah Chip…
    You got caught being a true conservative in your last article… Your friends in NC are suppressing liberty by voter suppression and gerymandering of districts… TX is doing the same thing….
    You conservatives were just all to happy to allow your Daddy Bush to pass the Patriot act after 9/11 and you watched like scared lemmings as Fox news (the offical GOP propaganda source) changed the “Threat” level fro peach to mauve.
    We are hated in the middle east because of our duplicitious policies… Does that ever occur to a conservatuve… NAH… to these brain dead conservatives… we have a perfect right to interfere in another country’s elections or to support brutal dictatorships as long as they go by our economic program.
    Wake up… Liberals and true libertarians are on the right track. Conservatives are not happy unless we keep our bloated defense budget which means we are in a state of perpetual war… 9/11 was a good thing for conservatism… because how do you win a war against a “tactic”? It just goes on and on….
    Chips article in NY exposed the comical stance conservatives take… They are very afraid of the loss of liberty due to a possible police state or military coup yet they “support” the police and the troops. Who do you think administers the police state you fear? Chip initially supported the “stop and frisk” law in NYC because 1) he doesn’t live there and 2) He is white and most of these “stop and frisk” occurences are done to minoriities and in the racist world of a conservative… They are deserving of the invasion of personal liberty… Now if only we would all get behind the “stop and frisk” of the azzhole banksters on Wall Street who through deregulation, brought down our economy in 2008, then we might be on to something…

    • FreedomFighter

      Texas picked up a few more seats didn’t they – now they are evil and must be controlled by Eric Holder the most honest man in America…If Texas was a democrat controlled toilet like Commifornia we would not see you posting.
      Texas conservatives can change the makeup voting outcomes very soon, Obviously the communist cabal is feeling threatened
      Everything is political with these Progressive communist usurpers and evil doers, they seek power, they seek control and none of it good for America.
      Laus DeoSemper FI

      • Dave

        When you close voting stations in mostly minority areas or reduce early voting favored by minorities… That tells me the white old boy network is getting scared and you a right… that racism needs to be held in check by the Fed Gov. Afterall, without the Fed Gov, you racists would still have schools segregated, Jim Crow laws in place and slavery would still be around.

        • red neck

          Dave…. You have an overabundance of stupid and you are a race hustler as with sharpton, jackson, winfrey and obama…

          • Dave

            I know you are mad that I exposed your side’s racism and history of racism but you don’t have to get all angry about it… Just do some self-relection and change your racist ways.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You haven’t exposed anything, Shill Dave, but your proclivity to lie, equivocate, and state nonsense.

          • Dave

            Sure I have DaveH, I continuelly expose your penchant for using theory in place of reality to justify your corporatist ways… Your deflection from excepting any responsibility for the bad things conservatives do and have done.
            You are a fraud DaveH and all thinking people here know it.

          • Barakolips

            Now you are talking for other people on here, YOU are the outcast here and aside from your very few friends here, everything you say is shovel ready to heap onto the liberal pile of manure.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You expose only your ignorance, Shill Dave.

          • Average_Joe56

            OH Dave,
            I am having trouble understanding how you have proven anything. You offer nothing, other than your opinion. You never offer anything to back up your claims. You cite no sources. You provide no links…and yet somehow, you’ve convinced yourself…that you have proven something.
            You have proven something…you’ve proven that you are bonafide racist and a flaming liberal. A person with no integrity, morals, common sense or intelligence capacity beyond that of a forth grade child ( I believe that I am stretching that part….in your favor…say thank you).
            You remind me of a cockroach the hides in the corner, so that nobody can’t step on him….that’s why I bought cowboy boots….to step on cockroaches like you….hiding in corners.
            Have a wonderful, albeit delusional, life.
            Before your next silly rant…close your pie hole and blow it out your wazoo! I’ve had enough stupid from you today….to last a lifetime…Thanks for nothing.

          • red neck

            You have made my point that you are a race hustler.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            What’s to be mad about, Dave? You post your nonsense. The readers learn what Liberal Progressives are really like. And they start shedding their Propaganda Blinders to learn the concepts of Freedom. Could Bob Livingston ask for any more than that?

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Imagine that, an enslaving Liberal Progressive whining about slavery. What incredible gall Shill Dave has.

      • Average_Joe56

        “Everything is political with these Progressive communist usurpers ”

        Well, not everything…..that which is not political…..seems to be racist.

        Evidence? Simply read Dopey Dave’s usual drivel :

        “When you close voting stations in mostly minority areas or reduce early voting favored by minorities… That tells me the white old boy network is getting scared and you a right… that racism needs to be held in check by the Fed Gov. Afterall, without the Fed Gov, you racists would still have schools segregated, Jim Crow laws in place and slavery would still be around.”
        If we don’t like their policies…it has to be racism……as their policies are always perfect in every way…and Constitutional to boot…Don’t believe me?…Just ask them.( that’s sarcasm Dave…don’t get confused)

        • Dave

          AJ,
          In this case it is racism… liberals are not perfect… but its nice that you shared your racism with the class… so you support Jim Crow, segregation… and I am sure if it was popular, you would be ok with slavery to…
          Sorry that society has PROGRESSED in tha manner… much to your disappointment
          But I see your conservatives are trying to roll back time in TX, NC and AZ.

          • Average_Joe56

            You are welcome…since the only thing that I posted …which could be construed as racist…is the reprinting of your original post…..which was obviously more than “just a bit” racist.
            Time to stop projecting Dave…..your views aren’t my views….it’s time for you to “stop pretending” that they are.

            “But I see your conservatives are trying to roll back time in TX, NC and AZ.”

            Maybe it’s time to get your eyes checked?…or at least take off the blinders….

          • Dave

            Hmmmm… You post:

            “When you close voting stations in mostly minority areas or reduce early voting favored by minorities… That tells me the white old boy network is getting scared and you a right… that racism needs to be held in check by the Fed Gov. Afterall, without the Fed Gov, you racists would still have schools segregated, Jim Crow laws in place and slavery would still be around.”
            If we don’t like their policies…it has to be racism

            If you read what you posted, I posted the conservative racist history and the progressive end to those policies… you copy that and then you say “if we don’t like their policies… it must be racism”
            How is it not racism from what you posted AJ?. Please explain.
            Thanks!

          • Average_Joe56

            I re-posted your post…exactly as written…by you…….
            I even copied and pasted it…no alteration on my part….hmmm.
            Did you eat an extra bowl of stupid this morning?….congratulations…it’s working well for you…..

            Racists tend to use words like….
            minority
            minorities
            white old boy network
            Jim Crow laws
            segregation
            you racists
            etc…
            To project what they actually believe…. themselves
            You sir, are a Racist…of the highest caliber. I do hope that calling others racist because they don’t agree with you…makes you feel better. For the rest of us, it only serves to show us….. your true racist self.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Don’t expect Shill Dave to make any sense. He is just here to disrupt the board in the hopes of keeping Propagandized readers from removing their blinders.

          • Vis Fac

            Dumb Dave’s comprehension and cognitive skills have been compromised by the one dimensional indoctrination camps masquerading as public schools. Most of the time hes cannot remember what day it is so why would you expect him to remember what he posts let alone make any sense of it?

            The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

            A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…

            Our republic no longer exists because we have an omnipotent self centered clown in the Oval office who is as unconstitutional as anyone can be. Anyone believing
            we still live in a republic had best take notice of what OUR elected officials are doing WITHOUT OUR consent. Our republic no longer exists because the people no longer have power!

            Benjamin Franklin once said … A democracy can be best described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb
            contesting the vote.”

            Our Republic that allows for a well armed sheep to contest the vote!” shall soon be a fond memory for our rubber stamp liberally controlled congress
            is eagerly waiting to disarm us.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est

            Semper-Fi

          • Vis Fac

            Dumb Dave’s comprehension and cognitive skills have been compromised by the one dimensional indoctrination camps masquerading as public schools. Most of the time hes cannot remember what day it is so why would you expect him to remember what he posts let alone make any sense of it?

            The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

            A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…

            Our republic no longer exists because we have an omnipotent self centered clown in the Oval office who is as unconstitutional as anyone can be. Anyone believing
            we still live in a republic had best take notice of what OUR elected officials are doing WITHOUT OUR consent. Our republic no longer exists because the people no longer have power!

            Benjamin Franklin once said … A democracy can be best described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb
            contesting the vote.”

            Our Republic that allows for a well armed sheep to contest the vote!” shall soon be a fond memory for our rubber stamp liberally controlled congress
            is eagerly waiting to disarm us.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est

            Semper-Fi

          • Dave

            Seek medication dude… what happened? a shell hit your helmet during basic? Is that with you are mentally unbalanced andangry all the time?

          • Vis Fac

            Now there’s an intellectual an sophisticated response if ever I saw one! ;-)

            The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

            A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…

            Our republic no longer exists because we have an omnipotent self centered clown in the Oval office who is as unconstitutional as anyone can be. Anyone believing
            we still live in a republic had best take notice of what OUR elected officials are doing WITHOUT OUR consent. Our republic no longer exists because the people no longer have power!

            Benjamin Franklin once said … A democracy can be best described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb
            contesting the vote.”

            Our Republic that allows for a well armed sheep to contest the vote!” shall soon be a fond memory for our rubber stamp liberally controlled congress is eagerly waiting to disarm us.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est

            Semper-Fi

          • Dave

            Did you, I was speaking about the racist policies of conservatives specifically… Then you chimed in with your nonsense… Can you not comprehend your own words?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Your comments are nonsense, Shill Dave. That’s why they regularly get thumbs down.

          • Dave

            Thumbs down on a conservative site… I take that as a compliment corporatist DaveH

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You can take it any way you want, Shill Dave, but it’s a sign that your Shilling comments are having an opposite effect of that you desire.
            I would say your handlers are wasting their money, but it’s probably not their money anyway.

          • Average_Joe56

            Dave’s an unwitting Conservative accomplice….and too stupid to realize it. The more he talks…the better conservatives look.

          • Dave

            Common sense doesn’t play well with folks like you AJ… I get that.

          • Average_Joe56

            My point is proven…thanks Dave!

          • Average_Joe56

            You should probably take it as a hint……

          • Average_Joe56

            What I re-posted…was your post…..therefore, I didn’t miss anything.
            Actually, you were simply giving us your opinion of “racist policies of conservatives”. That is all you ever give us…your opinion. Proof by bald assertion….isn’t exactly proof…by any standard.

          • Dave

            LOL… keep telling yourself that… I am sure you believe it because conservatives are perfect…no conservative as ever been racist, or exploded the US debt or the size of Gov…. Its always someone else.
            Typical conservative diversion tactics…

          • Dave

            What is hilarious here AJ is that it is not the conservative policy… the stuff that actually impacts people’s lives that is racist in its origin…
            Its the terms that I use to describe your policy… the psychosis you conservatives put forth is amazing.

          • Average_Joe56

            My point is proven……..thanks Dave!

          • Vis Fac

            DUMB DAVE you complain about closing voting stations yet say nothing of the illegal votes garnered by your party from the illegals and deceased many of whom vote multiple times Can you say hypocrisy? Or since this practice favors your policies it’s OK?

            The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

            A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…

            Our republic no longer exists because we have an omnipotent self centered clown in the Oval office who is as unconstitutional as anyone can be. Anyone believing
            we still live in a republic had best take notice of what OUR elected officials are doing WITHOUT OUR consent. Our republic no longer exists because the people no longer have power!

            Benjamin Franklin once said … A democracy can be best described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb
            contesting the vote.”

            Our Republic that allows for a well armed sheep to contest the vote!” shall soon be a fond memory for our rubber stamp liberally controlled congress
            is eagerly waiting to disarm us.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est

            Semper-Fi

          • Average_Joe56

            Woman Votes Multiple Times in Election 2012 but Denies Voter Fraud.
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nX6E2Ucv7S8

            South Carolina Ballot Fraud: Dead Voters
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EBy6qwHV3M

            ACORN likes it when dead people vote
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogzIIjgaBtg

            Voter Fraud in NH Primary
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bbbXXkRG74

          • Vis Fac

            None of what is in these links surprises me. I couldn’t help notice that most all the voter fraud was in favor of the democratic party. And you needn’t identify yourself to register to vote. So in theory one could go to multiple precincts and register as several individuals. Interesting!
            In this day and age of computer voting fraud goes virtually unchecked and it isn’t surprising that those in charge have agendas toward their candidate Imagine where all these fraudulent votes went to. And the closeness of a race is decided by these fraudulent votes.

            Proving eligibility should be paramount If one votes in person it is reasonable to show ID everyone has access to a photo ID.

            I was only eligible to register after I provided my naturalization documents and when I first voted ballots were only in English Then in 1975 Ballots started being multilingual which disturbed me greatly. In order to be allowed admittance into the US we HAD to be able to speak read and write in English.

            Progressives have conveniently sidestepped these requirements so they can garner the illegals’ votes and guess who those votes go to

            The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil
            is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

            A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…

            Our republic no longer exists because we have an omnipotent self centered clown in the Oval office who is as unconstitutional as anyone can be. Anyone believing
            we still live in a republic had best take notice of what OUR elected officials are doing WITHOUT OUR consent. Our republic no longer exists because the people no longer have power!

            Benjamin Franklin once said … A democracy can be best described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb
            contesting the vote.”

            Our Republic that allows for a well armed sheep to contest the vote!” shall soon be a fond memory for our rubber stamp liberally controlled congress is eagerly waiting to disarm us.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est

            Semper-Fi

          • Average_Joe56

            I thought I’d add the links to back up your post.
            Glad to have you as an American….I only wish we had statesmen (rather than politicians), so that all of us could be proud of this once great nation. Thank you and your family for going through the process and becoming REAL AMERICANS. I would be proud to call you my friend and fellow patriot.
            AJ

          • Vis Fac

            Thank you AJ although I see you anything but average. I too am proud to call you a fellow patriot and citizen.

            Average is what is destroying America today. Average does not stand up for America, for personal liberty and freedom. Average sits on his duff, is indolent, agrees with policy, listens to rhetoric and refuses to bear responsibility.
            Average is content to just get by or receive alms/sustenance/welfare provided by the government. Average lets others stand in for them regarding defending our nation Average would not consider enlisting in the armed forces. Average is a fool!

            AJ you are not a fool nor are you average.

            The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil
            is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

            A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…

            Our republic no longer exists because we have an omnipotent self centered clown in the Oval office who is as unconstitutional as anyone can be. Anyone believing
            we still live in a republic had best take notice of what OUR elected officials are doing WITHOUT OUR consent. Our republic no longer exists because the people no longer have power!

            Benjamin Franklin once said … A democracy can be best described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb
            contesting the vote.”

            Our Republic that allows for a well armed sheep to contest the vote!” shall soon be a fond memory for our rubber stamp liberally controlled congress is eagerly waiting to disarm us.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est

            Semper-Fi

          • KG

            Did you know, half of all Americans are below Average Intelligence? Doesn’t that shock you!!!

          • Vis Fac

            No it doesn’t as you are proof positive of this fact. I hadn’t mentioned intelligence in my post but somehow you managed to bring it into play and infer that I had.

            The average intelligence falls every year liberals are in control of education as you have now helped in proving.

            So I would say that yes indeed you are average. Certainly nothing to be proud of.

            The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

            A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…

            Our republic no longer exists because we have an omnipotent self centered clown in the Oval office who is as unconstitutional as anyone can be. Anyone believing we still live in a republic had best take notice of what OUR elected officials are doing WITHOUT OUR consent. Our republic no longer exists because “We the People” no longer have power!

            Benjamin Franklin once said … A democracy can be best described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.”

            Our Republic that allows for a well armed sheep to contest the vote!”
            shall soon be a fond memory for our rubber stamp liberally controlled congress is eagerly waiting to disarm us.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est

            Semper-Fi

          • KG

            Oh ye Jarhead of the clan azzhat. What is Average? About half. So OF COURSE – HALF OF AMERICANS ARE BELOW AVERAGE BECAUSE AVERAGE IS THE MIDDLE!!!!

          • Vis Fac

            Your continued use of pejorative insults does little to garner credence. The issue was your insertion of one word “intelligence” to wit you turned into a major issue then went off on a tangent (as always) lecturing me what average is. I know what average is it is a mean collective of data providing a specific number it is not “an about” something any fourth grader would know. Unless you are a fourth grader and even if you were, you would be below average and as such I wouldn’t expect you to comprehend any of this.

            Go can go back to reading your Marx and Lenin, dream of all the riches granted by socialism and be hopelessly disappointed by the outcome.

            The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

            A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…

            Our republic no longer exists because we have an omnipotent self centered clown in the Oval office who is as unconstitutional as anyone can be. Anyone
            believing we still live in a republic had best take notice of what OUR elected officials are doing WITHOUT OUR consent. Our republic no longer exists because
            “We the People” no longer have power!

            Benjamin Franklin once said … A democracy can be best described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb
            contesting the vote.”

            Our Republic that allows for a well armed sheep to contest the vote!” shall soon be a fond memory for our rubber stamp liberally controlled congress is eagerly waiting to disarm us.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est

            Semper-Fi

          • KG

            Quando podeces te regi eorum fecerunt?

          • Vis Fac

            Пошлость всего лишь костыль для невнятный независимо от языка. Видимо, вы не имеете ничего
            толкового ответить с таким в попытке видеть себя важным (на самом деле импотент) вы задаете вопросы, в которых вы знаете, нет ответа еще не может сопротивляться безвкусных

            Сказать, что я не в восторге от вашего слабые попытки унижения, будет преуменьшением Очевидно, это сократить вас глубоко, поэтому вы пытаетесь произвести впечатление на всех,
            кто использует вульгарная латынь идиомы С учетом сказанного Кушайте на мои
            шорты!

            Vulgarität ist nur die Krücke für die unartikulierten
            egal die Sprache. Offenbar haben Sie nichts intelligent, um mit so antworten in einem Versuch zu sehen, sich selbst als wichtig (in Wirklichkeit impotent) können Sie Fragen stellen, in denen Sie wissen, haben keine Antwort noch nicht widerstehen kann, ist fade

            Zu sagen, ich bin nicht mit Ihren schwachen Versuche der Erniedrigung beeindruckt wäre eine Untertreibung Offensichtlich geschnitten wird Sie tief sein, dass ist, warum Sie alle mit vulgären Latein Idiome Mit
            dieser freundlicherweise essen meine Shorts sagte beeindrucken versuchen!

            Vulgarity is merely the crutch for the inarticulate no matter the language.
            Apparently you have nothing intelligent to reply with so in an attempt at
            seeing yourself as important (in reality impotent) you ask questions in which
            you know have no answer yet cannot resist being insipid

            To say I am not impressed with your feeble attempts of abasement would be
            an understatement It is obviously cut you deeply that is why you attempt to
            impress everyone using vulgar Latin idioms With that said kindly eat my shorts!

            The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

            A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…

            Our republic no longer exists because we have an omnipotent self centered clown in the Oval office who is as unconstitutional as anyone can be. Anyone
            believing we still live in a republic had best take notice of what OUR elected officials are doing WITHOUT OUR consent. Our republic no longer exists because
            “We the People” no longer have power!

            Benjamin Franklin once said … A democracy can be best described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb
            contesting the vote.”

            Our Republic that allows for a well armed sheep to contest the vote!” shall soon be a fond memory for our rubber stamp liberally controlled congress is eagerly waiting to disarm us.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est

            Semper-Fi

          • Average_Joe56

            Excremento, Te Abutere Patenia Nostra!

          • KG

            Estne volumen in toga, an solum tibi libet me videre?

          • Average_Joe56

            Poutsokefalo!

            Commodum Habitus Es

          • KG

            gamo to mouni pou se petage!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You make no sense, Shill Dave.

          • Dave

            I know… if it is not racist, corporatist or faux-libertarian that you twist. it goes over your limited intellect head.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            No, Shill Dave, you just make no sense.

          • Average_Joe56

            You do realize that everything above the words:
            “If we don’t like their policies…it has to be racism”…is from “YOUR POST” not mine…right?
            That is what YOU POSTED…… I simply re-posted YOUR WORDS…. not my words.. YOUR WORDS.
            So, by using simple logic, if you find those words to be racist….by default…you are a racist…by your own admission.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Actually, Dave, it is Big Government with their Political Meddling and grants of favoritism who are fomenting Racism.
            Understandably, when one class of people is given unequal protections under the law, then the left-out classes are going to be resentful.
            And it’s doubtful that the vote-buying Progressive Politicians are unaware of that reality.

          • Vis Fac

            Or one class of people or person are/is singled out for extra scrutiny as was Mr. Zimmerman being investigated by not only Holder but the POTUS weighing in and throwing the weight of the Oval Office in for good measure Something is amiss here and no one in the liberal camp cares. When it is they who are on the other side of the fence then and only then will they care. A more simple case of divide and conquer having the top people of government promoting racism could not be exemplified.

            The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

            A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…

            Our republic no longer exists because we have an omnipotent self centered clown in the Oval office who is as unconstitutional as anyone can be. Anyone believing
            we still live in a republic had best take notice of what OUR elected officials are doing WITHOUT OUR consent. Our republic no longer exists because the people no longer have power!

            Benjamin Franklin once said … A democracy can be best described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb
            contesting the vote.”

            Our Republic that allows for a well armed sheep to contest the vote!” shall soon be a fond memory for our rubber stamp liberally controlled congress is eagerly waiting to disarm us.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est

            Semper-Fi

          • Dave

            You are a liar once again… Racism is always there… but especially when conservatives have the power, they make the racism policy.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Do you really think you’re fooling anybody, Shill Dave?

          • Dave

            Do you think you are fooling anyone corporatist DaveH? Oh wait… you are… because you have people dumb enough to buy your BS.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Feel Free to point out any such thing, Shill Dave.

          • Dave

            Sure,
            that I am a proponent of big Gov.
            that your position of being anti-Union plays directly into allowing corporations to have a free hand on capitol hill.
            That Von Mises has ZERO economic credibility here in the real world and is an un-accredited theory group that nobody in the real world cares about except you and your boss BobL.
            Or that you have any thoughts on your own because you can’t help yourself but to throw in a mises link because you have no way to explain your positions without the links that nobody reads.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You are a proponent of Big Government, Shill Dave. But perhaps you could convince people otherwise by answering this question:
            Given that Government spent only 5% of the GDP in 1900, and Government now spends over 40% of the GDP, what percentage of Government Spending would you advocate?

            Shill Dave says — “your position of being anti-Union plays directly into allowing corporations to have a free hand on capitol hill”.
            My position on Unionism has absolutely nothing to do with Corporations’ lobbying on capitol hill.

            The rest of your comment, Shill Dave, is sheer nonsense which any half-wit would understand to be so.

          • Dave

            I advocate Gov that makes sure corporations and unions do not abuse their positions,
            I advocate Gov that protects from foriegn and internal threats. (only going to war when attacked)
            I advocate Gov that ensures equality under the law
            I advocate Gov that provides a social safety net for the poor (not a lifestyle)
            I advocate Gov that negotiates trade that is good for Americans.
            I advocate Gov that comes in to help in times of extreme natural disasters that overwhelm states, cities and towns
            I can’t give you a percentage of what that is but I certainly do not agree with your corpoartist position of Gov only being there for protection from foriegn and internal threats. You just simply do not get how societies work. Or you are a straight corporatist… which is it?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You can’t give a percentage of GDP? Then how is the reader supposed to judge you as not advocating Big Government, Shill Dave? You call me a liar, but have provided no conclusive evidence that my accusation is untrue.

          • Dave

            I do not have the time to go through the waste, overcharge on things to give you an answer of what % that would be. My way is not decent governments operates, yours is fantasyland today. We were slightly different from the early 1800’s would you agree DaveH?

            Shave 400B a year from the defense budget, eliminate food subsidies, oil subsidies and go through the pork line by line in each state and see where that leaves us.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Shill Dave says — “We were slightly different from the early 1800’s would you agree DaveH?”.
            Only in technological advancements. But human nature is the same as it’s always been — A modest amount of Advantage Seekers and a large amount of their victims.

            Shill Dave says — “Shave 400B a year from the defense budget, eliminate food subsidies, oil subsidies and go through the pork line by line in each state and see where that leaves us”.
            With a still Big Government is where. The current spending Federal Government Spending is $3800 Billion. After shaving $400 Billion off, it would be $3400 Billion which is $400 Billion higher than the Federal Spending in 2008.
            So thanks, Dave, for proving that what I said about you is true.

          • Dave

            You proved nothing DaveH… All you have done is proven how out of touch you are with reality. I believe Gov has more responsibility than just military and police protection and you don’t. Its just that simple… If we had your way, this country would be done in. Rampant inequality, pollution, monopolies (worse than now) and a elite and the poor masses that services them…
            That is what your wrong headed policies would create.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Dave reminds me of an interview with a Cuban decades ago. The interviewer asked what the Cuban’s problem was with Capitalism. He said it suppresses the workers. So the interviewer said — “but our lowest paid workers make more than your highest paid workers”. The Cuban retorted — “yes but they have to witness the rich flaunting their wealth”.
            Ahh, the politics of Jealousy.

            Your comment, Shill Dave, is pure conjecture. You have no way of knowing the truth unless we could somehow set up a parallel universe to give both systems a fair test.
            But even using the more flawed approach of looking at countries based on their Economic Freedom, we can see clearly that the more Socialism a country has, the Smaller their Economy is:
            http://www.freetheworld.com/
            http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking

          • Dave

            Ahhhh Jealousy… the card corporatists like you pull when you talk out your hind quarters. I am very content in my own financial standing…
            I don’t need to own an island… Just give me financial security and the ability to put my kids through college and retire comfortably…
            But see, here again we have another difference between conservatives and liberals… I care enough to want everyone to have an equal shot at being a success if they work ward and smart enough for it, whereas you… you support the rigged game by the wealthy.

          • Average_Joe56

            ” Just give me financial security and the ability to put my kids through college and retire comfortably…”

            Bingo…there it is folks…GIVE ME……Spoken like the Liberal that Dave is.

            Dave, a better idea…earn it!

            A competent and self-confident person is incapable of jealousy in anything. Jealousy is invariably a symptom of neurotic insecurity.
            Robert A. Heinlein

          • Dave

            Poor conservative fool… Can’t win on the issues so you go after a figure of speech… Typical…

          • Average_Joe56

            A figure of speech?…ROFLMAO!
            Now that’s truly….. funny!
            Quit your day job and take your act on the road…….

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Easy Joe. It isn’t Dave’s fault that he was educated in Public School.

          • Average_Joe56

            A figure of speech?…ROFLMAO!
            Now that’s truly….. funny!
            Quit your day job and take your act on the road…….

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Then why do you throw out so much verbiage in your comments? You don’t say anything that is worth noting.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Average Joe beats you everytime, Shill Dave, because your Liberal Progressive politics have neither logic nor facts to stand on.

          • Dave

            Poor conservative fool… Can’t win on the issues so you go after a figure of speech… Typical…

          • WTS/JAY

            Ah, good catch, AJ!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            As usual, Shill Dave makes his straw man arguments.

            Shill Dave says — “I care enough to want everyone to have an equal shot at being a success”.
            But he belies that contention by ignoring the fact that Socialism has the opposite effects. Socialism is a logical failure, and it is an experiential failure, but still Shill Dave promotes it. A man, who truly believed what Shill Dave claims to believe, would at least investigate the concept of Free Markets, given that the evidence is so highly stacked against Socialism.

            Shill Dave says — “you support the rigged game by the wealthy”.
            It isn’t me, Shill Dave, who promotes the only way Crony Capitalists can take advantage of us — Big Government.
            With Free Markets, they would have to please their consumers or go out of business.

            It is pretty obvious to me that Shill Dave is working for the very same people who he claims to dislike. Such are the methods of a psychopath:
            http://www.whale.to/b/callahan1.html
            http://www.helpingpsychology.com/sociopath-vs-psychopath-whats-the-difference

          • KG

            I thought we concluded that the American population is about 8x what it was, and GDP is about 8x what it was in 1900. Adjust for inflation, you still have a relative government growth rate of 1-2% a year since 1900. We may be spending more on government now because of programs like Social Security and Medicare that didn’t exist in 1900. M1 Abrams tanks didn’t exist either. Anyway, GDP is not a good indicator of economic health.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            No, KGB, YOU concluded that. The educated people know that when the Spending is related to a percentage of GDP, population size and the current value of the dollar is approximately factored in.

            KGB says — “Anyway, GDP is not a good indicator of economic health”.
            KGB accidentally says something true. But it is a non-sequitur because GDP is all we have to go by unless somebody wants to count every real good and real service produced across the economy each year. And spend the huge fortune that would be required to conduct such a daunting task.

        • Vis Fac

          Their only argument is racism Incompetence, malfeasance, and thuggery are non issues so it HAS to be racism.

          The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil
          is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

          A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…

          Our republic no longer exists because we have an omnipotent self centered clown in the Oval office who is as unconstitutional as anyone can be. Anyone believing
          we still live in a republic had best take notice of what OUR elected officials are doing WITHOUT OUR consent. Our republic no longer exists because the people no longer have power!

          Benjamin Franklin once said … A democracy can be best described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb
          contesting the vote.”

          Our Republic that allows for a well armed sheep to contest the vote!” shall soon be a fond memory for our rubber stamp liberally controlled congress is eagerly waiting to disarm us.

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est

          Semper-Fi

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      As usual, Dave confuses his rival group of Progressives (the Neocons) with Conservatives. No true Conservative wants Big Government.

      • Dave

        Conseravtive lie… when a conservative is in the wrong… change the classification. Conservatives are perfect… in DaveH’s mind….

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          The typical Misinformation that we can expect from a Propagandizer like Shill Dave.

          • Dave

            Let me correct that for you…

            “The typical Misinformation that we can expect from a Propagandizer like Corporatist DaveH”
            That would be accurate

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Polly want a cracker? Baaaraaack!

          • Dave

            Dance mises boy dance….I will get you an organ grinder and a monkey… dance… because its what BobL pays you to do… shill

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I wish. But alas, he doesn’t.

          • Dave

            Sure he doesn’t shill corporatist DaveH, both of you buy that load of crapola… when I go after BobL and his double standards or policies… you like a good lap dog come in…
            I would not be surprised if you BobL and your other boyfriend JeffH are all in the same room together.
            Its what propagandists do…

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            What makes me a shill, Shill Dave? I’m not the one who claims to be in International Sales, but then comments all day long.
            What makes me a corporatist, Shill Dave? I’m not the one who advocates Big Government — without which Crony Capitalism (corporatism) could not exist.
            As usual, your comment is erroneous and nonsensical.
            You can see by your level of thumbs down, Shill Dave, that people aren’t buying what you’re selling.

          • Dave

            1) you don’t like unions and without unions, corporations have a free hand on capitol hill (Corporatists love that)
            2) You like big unlimited dollars in the political process and without unions, who holds sway on capitol hill again???? (Corporations)
            Either you are a corporatist or one of their useful idiots… You choose DaveH.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Only a relative handful of the companies across our country are “corporatists” (Crony Capitalists) who seek special favors from Big Government. But that aside, no company owner in his right mind would love Unions.
            Both Unions and Crony Capitalists have huge lobbies on Capitol Hill. Full disclosure by the Politicians is the only Freedom-compatible way to address lobbyists.
            The voters (especially the lazy Liberal Progressives) just need to get off their duffs and learn what they’re voting for.

            Shill Dave says — “Either you are a corporatist or one of their useful idiots… You choose DaveH”.
            It is you, Shill Dave, who promotes Big Government, and as Government Grows Corruption Flows. If I could bet money on the possibility that you are a Shill for the Administration, and I knew that such information could be verified, I wouldn’t hesitate to bet that money.

          • Dave

            And again, you are a liar.

          • Average_Joe56

            And still, you are an idiot…..

          • Average_Joe56

            “Either you are a corporatist or one of their useful idiots… ”
            Wow, talk about having limited thought processes…..good old demented,one dimensional Dave….

          • Dave

            Hmmm… yes AJ, I should learn to be more like you… willing to listen to different points of view and never generalize whole groups of people into little boxed classifications because its easier than thinking.

          • Average_Joe56

            I’ve listened to your rants. I still don’t agree with you. You offer no substance. You offer opinion….and nothing more. I prefer to deal in facts…rather than conjecture. It’s nice that you have an opinion, but that’s all it is and all it will ever be….And quite frankly I’ll take my own opinions over your opinions.
            Thanks, but no thanks

          • Dave

            Hmmm… yes AJ, I should learn to be more like you… willing to listen to different points of view and never generalize whole groups of people into little boxed classifications because its easier than thinking.

      • Patriot_Dave

        No TRUE CONSERVATIVE wants BIG Government.?!?!? WHAT THE…!? YOU decry BIG Government but your POLITICAL ICONS don’t have the track record to PROVE THAT!!! …. Lets see now… Richard Nixon grew the size of our government, Ronald Reagan grew our government, GHW BUSH grew the size and reach of our government, W Bush grew our government DRAMATICALLY.!!!… HOW ABOUT THAT? ON the Other side.. LBJ grew the government, Jimmy Carter grew the government, WOAH…Clinton shrank the government!!!…. Looks like Every now and then someone actually shrinks the government!! Now what did the next POTUS (R) DO???? YEP he grew the Government!!! Bad argument…. Stick to facts and what YOU know….OH wait that might be a problem…. When was the last time a Republican actually shrank the size, cost or reach of the GOVERNMENT???? It’s not BIG GOVERNMENT that everyone doesn’t want… It’s THE inept or tyrannical government that NO BODY wants!!!… You ALL get so stoked on your emotionalism that logic and reality just slips away and IMO, all that’s left is your dystopian views of the world!!!

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          They aren’t my political icons, numbnuts.
          With the exception of Reagan, the Republican Presidents have been NeoConservative Progressives. And I’m not sure about Reagan (I voted for the Libertarian candidate). Reagan talked a good show about shrinking Government, but it did grow considerably under Reagan’s watch. Was he lying? Did he just get run over by the NeoCon Republican Congressmen? He did veto more than any other President since Eisenhower. Who knows?
          But I don’t worship any man.

          Patriot?_Dave says — “Bad argument…. Stick to facts and what YOU know”.
          Straw man argument, Dave. You are attributing positions to me that I haven’t taken.
          You really should not jump to such conclusions. It just makes you look ignorant.

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear DaveH,

            You write: “Did he just get run over by the NeoCon Republican Congressmen?” No it was the banksters through the Trilateral Commission.
            “Pres­i­dent Reagan ulti­mately came to under­stand Trilateral’s value and invited the entire mem­ber­ship to a recep­tion at the White House in April 1984.” – David Rock­e­feller, Mem­oirs, 2011
            http://www.theendrun.com/the-trilateral-commission-usurping-sovereignty

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Thanks, Bob.

          • Average_Joe56

            Yes, Thank you Bob.
            A good read!

          • Dave

            No conservative EVER does wrong in DaveH’s world… If they do… move them to the neo-con bucket… My favorite load of crap from DaveH is that George W Bush was a progressive… That was some funny stuff.

          • Patriot_Dave

            Ahhh YES… when all else fails, DENIGRATE and then DENIGRATE some more!!… When was the last time a Libertarian was POTUS??? OH YEAH…. that hasn’t happened yet…….And what kind of fetid mind promotes this?? “NeoConservative Progressives”… Just more of your dystopian views…..

            BTW… I DID NOT accuse or even suggest that you worshiped any MAN…. That came out of your mind…. Icons are just symbolic representations…. Perhaps you were thinking of IDOLATRY……

            BTW icon is also used, particularly in modern culture, in the general sense of symbol — i.e. a name, face, picture, edifice or even a person readily recognized as having some well-known significance or embodying certain qualities: one thing, an image or depiction, that represents something else of greater significance through literal or figurative meaning, usually associated with religious, cultural, political, or economic standing. Wiki..

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Ahh, did I break your rules, Patriot, by bringing a gun to your gun fight? Poor Boy.

          • Patriot_Dave

            My Rules?!… what, you think you broke MY rules???….I have very few Rules but I thought you were an ‘Intellectual Libertarian’?… No?? so this was just more Libertarian rhetoric sprinkled with dystopian views leaking out out onto the fabric of your local reality??..If so, That was a weak a$$ gun you brought… You might want to stick with butter knives or perhaps marbles..at least the marbles don’t have sharp edges….

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Good Grief. One might mistake you for a Liberal Progressive with all those ad hominem attacks.

          • Patriot_Dave

            I suppose the next thing you’ll be telling me is that Conservatives don’t make ad hominem attacks on those that disagree with them…. Weak argument….again…

            So back to the topic…. How do WE insure that tyrannical forces (whether they Fascist/Corporatist or Communist/Socialist) from diluting everyone’s RIGHTs?

          • Patriot_Dave

            Ahhh YES… when all else fails, DENIGRATE and then DENIGRATE some more!!… When was the last time a Libertarian was POTUS??? OH YEAH…. that hasn’t happened yet…….And what kind of fetid mind promotes this?? “NeoConservative Progressives”… Just more of your dystopian views…..

            BTW… I DID NOT accuse or even suggest that you worshiped any MAN…. That came out of your mind…. Icons are just symbolic representations…. Perhaps you were thinking of IDOLATRY……

            BTW icon is also used, particularly in modern culture, in the general sense of symbol — i.e. a name, face, picture, edifice or even a person readily recognized as having some well-known significance or embodying certain qualities: one thing, an image or depiction, that represents something else of greater significance through literal or figurative meaning, usually associated with religious, cultural, political, or economic standing. Wiki..

    • Vis Fac

      Ya know DUMB DAVE if you didn’t exist inside that drug induced stupor of yours you might be able to get a small taste of reality. As recall Liberals as well as conservatives jumped onto the band wagon after Al Queda’s attack on the World Trade Center (I guess you were hight then huh) Oh that’s right you’re a proponent of Bush’s complicity in that matter and therefore you like the typical liberal blame Bush.

      Facts to Dumb Dave are those that are pulled out of thin air to swathe Dumb Dave’s ineptness on all things rational. Liberal one dimensional idiot-ology dictates Dumb Dave make things up as Dumb Dave goes so Dumb Dave can blame others for Dumb Dave’s failures. Nothing is ever ODUMBO’s the DUMBOCRITES or Dumb Dave’s fault right?
      So whenever Dumb Dave has trouble defending and/or nothing to substantiate Dumb Dave’s positions Dumb Dave simply falls back on the Federal Board for Blaming Bush.. Then all Dumb Dave’s liberal
      inadequacies are soon to be forgotten

      Dumb Dave-Reality is not a Television Show. You need to be institutionalized!

      The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

      A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…

      Our republic no longer exists because we have an omnipotent self centered clown in the Oval office who is as unconstitutional as anyone can be. Anyone believing we still live in a republic had best take notice of what OUR elected officials are doing WITHOUT OUR consent. Our republic no longer exists because the people no longer have power!

      Benjamin Franklin once said … A democracy can be best described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.”

      Our Republic that allows for a well armed sheep to contest the vote!”
      shall soon be a fond memory for our rubber stamp liberally controlled congress is eagerly waiting to disarm us.

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est

      Semper-Fi

      • Dave

        Blunt tool,
        You reallly are a psychotic aren’t you? You conservatives love to try and re-write history…
        You never have anything of substance to over so you merely call names… I guess if I was a failure in business like you, I would be bitter too…

        • Vis Fac

          DUMB DAVE You obviously have deep seeded anger issues evidenced by your continued use of pejoratives so I’ll ignore most of what you say.

          However your accusal of conservatives wanting to re write history is greatly eclipsed by your failure to acknowledge and learn from history. I don’t think a business venture lasting over 35 years would be considered a failure The real failure is YOU DUMB DAVE! Your accusal of failure is merely a defense mechanism to compensate for your own inadequacies.

          The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil
          is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

          A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…

          Our republic no longer exists because we have an omnipotent self centered clown in the Oval office who is as unconstitutional as anyone can be. Anyone believing
          we still live in a republic had best take notice of what OUR elected officials are doing WITHOUT OUR consent. Our republic no longer exists because the people no longer have power!

          Benjamin Franklin once said … A democracy can be best described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb
          contesting the vote.”

          Our Republic that allows for a well armed sheep to contest the vote!” shall soon be a fond memory for our rubber stamp liberally controlled congress is eagerly waiting to disarm us.

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est

          Semper-Fi

  • Average_Joe56

    Chip,
    Thank you for the “Honorable mention” today.
    Everyone has a bad day on occasion. The key is to recognize it and admit it, which you have done, quite well.
    Thank you for your continued support of Liberty.
    Keep your head down and your powder dry!

  • Patriot_Dave

    EHHhh Once again….the ‘self proclaimed defenders of liberty’ just don’t have the mental acumen or decency to debate the intellectuals without resorting to race-baiting, name calling, chauvinistic retort, chest thumping and of course the ever present icing on the cake, DENIAL….. YOUR 1st amendment Rights do not trump the 1st amendment Rights of those you do not agree with… Somehow there is this notion that showing any bit of common courtesy is a weakness…. And YEAH I know, big words and abstract concepts hurt your brains, but it is still no excuse to be blatant HATERS….

    What part of PERSONAL LIBERTY do you not understand… when it’s your thoughts it’s PERSONAL…but when it’s another’s thoughts…. it violates YOUR LIBERTY???

  • Brian Tucker

    Can we all agree now that Chip corrected his mistake and this horrible judge never will? She didn’t correctly identify “stop & frisk” as practiced by NYPD as clearly unconstitutional, she didn’t point out that the conditions surrounding Terry v. Ohio were blatantly ignored by NYPD. All she said was it is racist as practiced, ie if the NYPD stops a bunch of white people for a while everything will be hunky dory and we can all ignore the Constitution together. This decision is only a victory for the lawyers who will sue the NYPD for rich white clients who are dumb enough to keep walking down the street.

  • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

    (30 minutes ago) FORT HOOD, Texas — Maj. Nidal Hasan has been convicted of premeditated murder for the 2009 shooting rampage at Fort Hood. That means he’s now eligible for the death penalty.

    Military jurors found the Army psychiatrist guilty on Friday for the attack that killed 13 people (and one unborn baby) and injured more than 30 others at the Texas military base.

    The trial now enters a penalty phase, where prosecutors will ask jurors to sentence Hasan to death.

    So now get ready for the Muslim Brotherhood and CAIR to make their announcement for a “Million Jihadists March” on Fort Hood in the support of their own, who’s “WORKPLACE VIOLENCE” was just allah’s mandate to fight INFIDELS.

    • Average_Joe56

      Lock and load! ;)

    • Dave

      Just say thanks to Obama for administering justice.

      • Jeff

        Hasan is certainly a textbook case for imposition of the death penalty, and it’s likely he’ll receive it. Even his defense, that he’s a soldier who switched sides, is the kind of thing that would call for a soldier’s summary execution. Even I, as a staunch opponent of the death penalty, tend to believe it’s appropriate for him.

        Still, I think the death penalty is what he wants. I am certain he never expected to survive the shooting and wanted to go out in a blaze of glory and be remembered as a martyr for the cause. I don’t know that I’d give him the satisfaction of such a “heroic” end. Let him stew in his own thoughts knowing he’ll never be heard from again. Why create more martyrs?

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Either way it will cost the taxpayers big bucks which is really what it’s all about for the Leaders.

          • Jeff

            What’s the alternative? Eliminate due process? Money is never the only (or even a prime) concern when it’s a big case like this or a war. Maybe if cost were considered, we’d avoid adventures like Viet Nam, Iraq, and Afghanistan. As it stands, the only time politicians on the right complain about cost is when a Blue State needs disaster relief or when poor people need anything.

          • Dave

            Don’t forget Jeff, they also complain when a democrat is in the WH. When their boy had the WH and the GOP had both houses of Congress, nary a word was spouted from conservatives about Iraq, or the zero spending bills that were vetoed.
            When a Democrat gets into the WH, conservatives decide to get religion on fiscal responsibility.

          • Jeff

            To paraphrase Uncle Dick, “Reagan proved that deficits don’t matter [until a Democrat gets elected President].”

          • Dave

            So true Jeff…
            Conservative Reagan triples our debt, expands the Fed Gov and engages in covert wars using money from selling weapons to terrorists after lying to us saying he would never negotiate with terrorits (he is a hero)
            Obama gets left with the biggest pile of excriment in our lifetime, deals with a Congress who’s stated mission in the middle of a recession to to make sure he fails and because everything is not perfect (Obama is the worst president, even worse the W in these foolish minds)

          • Don 2

            But isn’t is interesting that incomes have dropped twice as much during the Obama recovery starting in 2009, as they dropped during the so-called Bush recession?

          • Dave

            2008 til today… the same problems exist that caused the mess in the first place and neither party are serious about fixing them.
            But please continue your nonsensical rants

          • Don 2

            When actual facts do not fit the Democratic party agenda, or they make Obama look bad, they are nonsensical rants? You can count on it Dave, I will continue, with great pleasure, to point out what a total failure Obama and liberalism has been.

          • Jeff

            To paraphrase Uncle Dick, “Reagan proved that deficits don’t matter [until a Democrat gets elected President].”

          • Don 2

            JFK(Democrat) argued for tax cuts long before Reagan or Bush. He died before accomplishing his goal, but LBJ benefited because of it.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            If we downsized the Government considerably, at least by 2/3rds, there would be more money available for speedy trials. Also we should privatize most court functions, similar to the binding arbitration which is becoming more popular.
            Read this to get an in-depth treatment of better ways to do things:
            http://library.mises.org/books/Murray%20N%20Rothbard/For%20a%20New%20Liberty%20The%20Libertarian%20Manifesto.pdf

            There should be no foreign military meddling except in response to attack.
            As far as “disaster relief” or “poor people” goes, it is not the Government’s money to give. If you want to help others than go with my blessings. If you want to force other people to help, then you are no different than a slave-owner.
            Besides that, any kind of charity risks moral hazard. That is, promotes bad behavior on the recipient’s part. As an example, if people in California build their homes on unstable hillsides, why should the smarter people have to bail them out? And how are people going to learn from their mistakes if they know other people will be responsible for them?

        • Liberty Lover

          So you don’t accept the Obama/Holder judgment that this was just another case of “workplace violence”? There may be hope for you yet, Jeff!

          • Jeff

            Why do I think you’re cherry picking that quote completely out of context? Perhaps the important thing is whether Hasan had “switched sides” only in his own mind or had been recruited by some organization.

        • TML

          If the case was handled according to the Constitution, it happened on a federal military base and he confessed in open court to the description of treason given in Article 3 Section 3; it should be to Congress to declare the punishment.

          • Jeff

            “The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.”
            I don’t know that he was even charged with treason. Plus, I don’t think the intent of the Founders was for Congress to decide the penalty in a given case but to statutorily set penalties to be imposed by the Courts. I’m not sure what is meant by “attainder of treason” but Congress cannot pass bills of attainder zeroing in on one person. So, Congress can’t pass a law that says Mitt Romney has to pay at least 15% of his income in federal income tax.

          • TML

            No, he wasn’t convicted of treason specifically, but that’s exactly what it was. I’m saying he should have been. I’m just guessing that’s probably why you think the death penalty is appropriate for him, since death is a common punishment for that crime. And no, you are correct, the founders didn’t intend the Congress to levy sentences for specific cases. The Congress already declared the punishments the courts should follow in the US Criminal Code 18 USC § 2381 – Treason; “Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.”

            The Attainder of Treason is legislative, meaning “the extinction of civil and political rights after a sentence of death or outlawry” after a conviction; it’s basically a forfeiture of property although Article 3 Section 3 specifically states that the federal government can not take the same from the convicted persons family (“Corruption of Blood”)

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            If the case was handled according to the Constitution, there would be no federal military base, because the Founders knew the dangers of letting Government have a standing army:
            http://mises.org/journals/jls/11_1/11_1_6.pdf

            Article I, Section 8 of the US Constitution:
            “The Congress shall have Power……To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years”

          • TML

            I see nothing in the Constitution that forbids a standing army; the Constitutional Convention accepted the need for a standing army but sought to maintain control by the Congress rather than the Executive. Thus Article 1 Section 8 Clause 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, & 16… as well as the 2nd Amendment.

            “the power of raising and keeping up an army, in time of peace, is essential to every government. No government can secure its citizens against dangers, internal and external, without possessing it, and sometimes carrying it into execution.” – James Madison

            “a well-disciplined militia, our best reliance in peace and for the first moments of war, till regulars may relieve them…” – Thomas Jefferson

            This of course, is not an excuse to dismiss the possible dangers of a standing army, but controls were put in place. I can scarcely imagine waiting till we are attacked before training fighter pilots, and so forth.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            “Brutus” (probably Robert Yates) feared the power given to the government in order to create and maintain an army: “The power to raise armies, is indefinite and unlimited, and authorizes the raising of forces, as well in peace as in war”.
            An “Old Whig” anticipated that the federal revenues would
            be channeled into military spending: “The unlimited power of taxation will give them the command of all the treasures of the continent; a standing army will be wholly at their devotion.” He forewarned his fellow countrymen that if the new government were permitted unlimited taxing power, military despotism would soon follow.

            What controls, TML? We have seen for the last 100 years that the US military has run willy-nilly around the world butting into other countries’ business on a regular basis. If this standing army of ours can take away the rights of citizens in other countries, why would you be so quick to believe that they couldn’t/wouldn’t do that here?
            If you’re afraid of other countries’ attacking us with their military might, why aren’t you equally afraid of our own Government doing that with their military might, TML?

          • Robert Messmer

            You may wish to check this out the United States Code at 18 U.S.C. § 2381 states “whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.” So in essence Congress has already declared the punishment, it is up to the UCMJ to decide between the two listed and I am pretty sure that the UCMJ also has punishment for murder prescribed within it also. Besides was he charged and tried for treason or only for murder?

      • Average_Joe56

        Knowing our fearless leader….a full pardon is in the wings….with a big pat on the back for following his “religion of peace”….after all, the only people who were killed or wounded …were infidels…right?
        If they give him the death penalty, it will be commuted by “O” at the very least…we can’t offend Islam, now, can we?

        • Dave

          Really? He pardoned the hell out of the Al Qeada leadership didn’t he? Bin Laden also recieved his pardon.. Right into the Indiian Ocean
          You are a complete goofball AJ.

          • Average_Joe56

            Are you sure about that? Were you there? did you see and touch the bodies?…Oh, I see, you heard it on the news…aren’t you special…….short bus special…..

            For a moment, nothing happened. Then, after a second or so, nothing continued to happen.
            Douglas Adams

          • Dave

            Maybe we can go back to your hero George W Bush and he can invade and occupy more countries at a cost of trillions AJ… A good conservative like you would love that.

          • Average_Joe56

            Drug addled brain? Where did you get that GW was my hero? I have never made such an obscene statement…nor will I ever do so. GW gave us the Patriot Act and invaded a nation that did not attack us…or have anything to do with 911 which is Unconstitutional and immoral….which BO has doubled down on (made apparent by all of his long list of scandals). Sadly, as usual, you are mistaken. I didn’t vote for GW and I didn’t vote for BO….I am a conservative/ libertarian…not a Repubicrat.
            I see that you are still stuck in the left/right paradigm…too bad…so sad….

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear Average_Joe56,

            Dave is incapable of painting with anything less than a 10′ brush, and more often than not uses one much wider.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • Dave

            Really Bob? What do you think you and your group of writers do on a daily repetitive basis?
            Everything is the fault of liberals/progressives/mocrats… Do you really take the time to really go into the origins of an issue? WAR? Myers? Bullard?
            You write with your 10′ and bigger brush from the conservative view point. To act like you are above such generalization is blantantly dishonest. But then that is what I expect from a conservative.

          • Average_Joe56

            Yes Dave, Really!

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear Dave,

            You write: “Everything is the fault of liberals/progressives/mocrats…” You finally understand.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • Dave

            Egomania and delusions of grandeur and historical re-write run rampant in Bob L’s mind…
            Apparently nothing bad occurred under the watches of Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush 1 and Bush 2 and the congresses that were conservative-leaning…
            Like all paranoid delusional people… bad things only happened under Carter, Clinton and Obama or as I like to call it, the minority of time that any liberal had any power.
            What a sad world Bob L lives in… Too bad he is not familiar with reality.

          • Barakolips

            I remember good times under Reagan and Ford and a never ending series of scandals and recessions under Democrats. This recession is the worst of all and who do we have in office? Yep, a democrat! What a sad world you live in, too bad you are not familiar with reality

          • NC

            Timbo< Pull up the list of PAST recessions WITH THE DATES they started ! 7 OF THE LAST 8 RECESSIONS BEGAN WITH A REPUBLICAN IN THE OVAL OFFICE!
            WHEN DID THIS LAST RECESSION START?? CLUE: IT IS KNOWN AS THE bush RECESSION!
            TYPE IN " NBER LIST OF US RECESSIONS"
            THEN TYPE IN "BULLS, BEARS DONKEYS AND ELEPHANTS" FOR THE STOCK MARKET HISTORY SINCE WWII.
            THEN TYPE IN "PRESIDENTS AND PROSPERITY" AT FORBES.COM FOR THE RANKING OF THE ECONOMIES UNDER ALL THE PRESIDENTS SINCE WWII!
            STUDY THOSE CAREFULLY AND GET BACK TO ME!!
            OTHER BRAINWASHED CONSERVATIVES ARE INVITED TO DO THIS SAME RESEARCH!!
            THIS WILL BE MATERIAL THAT YOU WILL NEVER BE MADE AWARE OF AT FAUX NOISE OR BY THE LEADERS HERE !!

          • Barakolips

            Im not interested in ANY false statistics you or any of your friends on here present. I am talking reality here, having lived through these presidents and what I have experienced in REAL LIFE!! Obama is a disaster and he needs to GO! You liberals should all be locked up for treason and hanged.

          • Average_Joe56

            Timbo,
            I believe you hit a very big nerve….check out all of the screaming by NC…you really got his panties in a wad…Congratulations!

          • John Myers

            Dear Dave,
            You really do need to get a life.
            Sincerely,
            John Myers

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            This is HIS life and also job.

          • John Myers

            Dear Dave,
            You really do need to get a life.
            Sincerely,
            John Myers

          • WTS/JAY

            What? Dave believes despite lack of evidence? Isn’t he being a wee bit…umm; overtrusting, overtrustful, easily deceived, easily taken in, exploitable, dupable, impressionable, unsuspecting, unsuspicious, unwary, ingenuous, innocent, inexperienced, unworldly, green; wet behind the ears, born yesterday?

          • Average_Joe56

            shhhhh…we’re trying to keep him from figuring it out….(yes, I know…fat chance of that happening)

          • Don 2

            Obama was never aligned with al Qaeda and OBL, he’s aligned with the Muslim Brotherhood.

          • Willie Johnson Jr.

            something are funny about Bin Laden death I think Obama faked this death cause he would not let any one see the body he was in a hurry to dump him in the Ocean which I don’t think happened I think Bin Laden still lives some where in the mid east under a new name , think on that for a while

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Or he was already dead long before his killing by Obama’s seal team.

          • nc

            Willie, you are dead on it!!!!! bin Laden, Elvis, and Jimmy Hoffa are all shacked up with Amelia Earhart in a hotel in Damascus studying maps of the flat earth! It was an a false flag!! Just ask Mr. Bob!! Good job, Willie!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            What an ignoramus. How do you know it was Bin Laden they dumped? It could have been any poor fool who was in the right place at the wrong time.

    • KG

      Romans 12:19-21
      King James Version (KJV)
      19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
      20 Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.
      21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

      • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

        Dear Readers,

        Beware communistic atheists quoting Scripture without context.

        Best wishes,
        Bob

        • Dave

          Also Beware trojan horses claiming to be Christian while acting in a complete opposite way their supposed savior told them to act and acted himself. Jesus had so litle in common with conservatism as practiced by today’s America.

          • KG

            Here here!

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear Dave,

            You write: “Also Beware trojan horses claiming to be Christian while acting in a complete opposite way their supposed savior told them to act and acted himself.” Yes, but we know them by their fruits.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • KG

            Matthew 13
            King James Version (KJV)
            14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
            15 For this people’s heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear KG,

            It’s good to see you reading Scripture. It can’t but help your twisted and corrupted soul, regardless of your reason for doing so.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear Dave,

            You write: “Jesus had so litle in common with conservatism as practiced by today’s America.” As you have not yet gleaned an understanding of what conservatism is, this comment is a non sequitur. You probably have an equal misunderstanding of what and who Jesus was.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • Dave

            I guess I should believe you then… afterall you are the expert on Jesus… He was alot like you… He just wanted to be left alone too… Oh wait…
            He mimics your attitudes on social justice too…

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear Dave,

            You write: “afterall (sic) you are the expert on Jesus.” Not sure expert is the right word, just well read.

            You write: “He was alot (sic) like you.” Actually, I strive for it to be the other way around.

            You write: “He mimics your attitudes on social justice too…” See, I told you you didn’t know who or what Jesus was. He mimics nothing about me. It is my goal to mimic him, however.

            As an aside, what is “social justice?” What is my “attitudes on social justice?” Please explain how you know what my “attitudes on social justice” are, exactly.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • Dave

            Social Justice: Where the laws of the land and society foster everyone having the same opportunities and when laws are broken have equal accountability…
            Jesus fought for the poor and the disenfranchised… Just like you Bob… I can’t count how many articles you have written about the plight of the poor in this country.
            You are just like Jesus.

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear Dave.

            You write: “Social Justice: Where the laws of the land and society foster everyone having the same opportunities and when laws are broken have equal accountability… Jesus fought for the poor and the disenfranchised” Jesus did not fight in support of laws in any case. Jesus did teach that each has a responsibility to help others from his own means. He did not advocate government theft to achieve those ends.

            You write: ” I can’t count how many articles you have written about the plight of the poor in this country.” Non sequitur.

            You write: “You are just like Jesus.” Thank you for the compliment.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear Dave.

            You write: “Social Justice: Where the laws of the land and society foster everyone having the same opportunities and when laws are broken have equal accountability… Jesus fought for the poor and the disenfranchised” Jesus did not fight in support of laws in any case. Jesus did teach that each has a responsibility to help others from his own means. He did not advocate government theft to achieve those ends.

            You write: ” I can’t count how many articles you have written about the plight of the poor in this country.” Non sequitur.

            You write: “You are just like Jesus.” Thank you for the compliment.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear Dave,

            You write: “Where the laws of the land and society foster everyone having the same opportunities and when laws are broken have equal accountability… I can’t count how many articles you have written about the plight of the poor in this country.” You obviously are incapable of comprehending what I write. I often write about the breakdown of the rule of law and rail against injustices fostered on the people by the elites.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • Vis Fac

            Dear Bob:

            I have been telling Dave about his comprehension skills or lack thereof for quite some time no. He is obviously self absorbed and as omnipotent as the one occupying the oval office. You I and everyone else are wrong You can tell a liberal — but you can’t tell them much of anything for they are the clan of KEFT

            The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

            A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…

            Our republic no longer exists because we have an omnipotent self centered clown in the Oval office who is as unconstitutional as anyone can be. Anyone
            believing we still live in a republic had best take notice of what OUR elected officials are doing WITHOUT OUR consent. Our republic no longer exists because
            “We the People” no longer have power!

            Benjamin Franklin once said … A democracy can be best described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb
            contesting the vote.”

            Our Republic that allows for a well armed sheep to contest the vote!” shall soon be a fond memory for our rubber stamp liberally controlled congress is eagerly waiting to disarm us.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est

            Semper-Fi

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear Dave,

            You write: “Where the laws of the land and society foster everyone having the same opportunities and when laws are broken have equal accountability… I can’t count how many articles you have written about the plight of the poor in this country.” You obviously are incapable of comprehending what I write. I often write about the breakdown of the rule of law and rail against injustices fostered on the people by the elites.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • Patriot_Dave

            Conservatism (Latin: conservare, “to retain”) is a political and social philosophy that promotes retaining traditional social institutions. A person who follows the philosophies of conservatism is referred to as a traditionalist or conservative.

            Some conservatives seek to preserve things as they are, emphasizing stability and continuity, while others, called reactionaries, oppose modernism and seek a return to “the way things were”. The first established use of the term in a political context was by François-René de Chateaubriand in 1819, following the French Revolution. The term, historically associated with right-wing politics, has since been used to describe a wide range of views. There is no single set of policies that are universally regarded as conservative, because the meaning of conservatism depends on what is considered traditional in a given place and time. Thus, conservatives from different parts of the world—each upholding their respective traditions—may disagree on a wide range of issues.

            Wiki

          • FreedomFighter

            Your master calls Dave…

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtPmt2Ja1So

            Laus Deo
            Semper FI

        • Vis Fac

          Bob: Rest assured we are keenly aware. This is why he and others of his ilk are not taken seriously. When one merely provides “words” without context in support of a personal agenda it is a sure sign that one does not comprehend the issue at hand. Alondra has a foreboding feeling as we all should.

          The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

          A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…

          Our republic no longer exists because we have an omnipotent self centered clown in the Oval office who is as unconstitutional as anyone can be. Anyone
          believing we still live in a republic had best take notice of what OUR elected officials are doing WITHOUT OUR consent. Our republic no longer exists because
          “We the People” no longer have power!

          Benjamin Franklin once said … A democracy can be best described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb
          contesting the vote.”

          Our Republic that allows for a well armed sheep to contest the vote!” shall soon be a fond memory for our rubber stamp liberally controlled congress is eagerly waiting to disarm us.

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est

          Semper-Fi

          • Patriot_Dave

            We have not HAD a ‘Republic’ in long time…Why is It that it has become so obvious now???!!!!… I saw this under Johnson, Nixon, Carter, Reagan, Bush Sr, Clinton, Bush Jr AND NOW…. Why JUST NOW? It has been diluted to what we have NOW for decades….Once Crony Capitalists got settled in it has been this slow slide down hill…gaining momentum…. and still sliding…. For a twist you all should happy…at least now you have your proof that one aspect of our multi-culture environment simply cannot guide this Republic out of it woes…. IT TAKES ALL OF US to DO THAT… and as long as everyone is fighting over who’s ‘VIEWS’ are BEST for EVERYONE….NO ONE fixes a thing….. Personally… I think well armed Lambs are in short supply!!!…. The Far Left want’s it that WAY (they probably didn’t invest in the arms industries…) The good news is, other than a few ‘ultra left wing’ hotspots adopting 2nd Amendment INFRINGING, anti-self defence ‘rules’, MOST of the Republics’ Citizens Still KNOW better!!!

        • WTS/JAY

          Alan Colmes’ Was Jesus a Liberal?: A Critique

          http://www.tektonics.org/af/colmes01.html

          • Average_Joe56

            Good read and analysis, thanks.

        • NC

          Mr. Livingston, the “context” of scriptures is what 17 different churches on 17 different corners believe it to be! Do you know which are right and which are wrong? Has God(?) put a mark on the doors of the “wrong” churches??
          I remember an old joke about two identical Baptist Churches on opposite sides of a street in a small town and a local explained to a visitor that the difference was that the Church on the left believes that the Pharaoh’s daughter found a baby in the bulrushes and the Church on the right believed that she SAYS she found that baby in the bulrushes.
          Such is “context” with human interpretations!!

      • FoolCatcher

        Seems ironic to me that someone quotes Christian scripture to defend the life of a MUSLIM murderer (of Christians, including unborn).

      • WTS/JAY

        “You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.”
        John 8:44 (NKJV)

  • DalasKnight

    I actually thought this was a test to see who would disagree with you chip! I see now that it wasn’t, but like the other posters I am glad to see that you have seen the error of your ways and are back on the right track! It takes people, like a lot of the people that post on Personal Liberty, to step up when the Constitution is not being adhered to! Glad that you are back on target!!

  • GiveMeLiberty,OrGiveMeDeath

    I am sooooooo, proud of you. The world is set right on it’s axes once again.

  • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

    ALEX says: “Your race-baiting has not only grown most tiresome, Alondra, but coupled with your hysteria and lack of writing skill it also marginalizes the tiny little pin-prick points you are attempting to make.”

    Alex, the main TRUE “Race-Baiting” RACIST are:
    1) The RACIST-in-chief Barack Hussein Obama a.k.a. Barry Soetoro a.k.a. Barrack Obama a.k.a. Barrack Dunham a.k.a. Barry Dunham a.k.a. Barry Soebarkah a.k.a. Barak Mounir Ubayd a.k.a. HARRISON J. BOUNEL
    2) The head of the Injustice Deportment despicable and disgraced eric holder
    ***BTW both RACIST are WHITE Negroes.
    3) The Negro “diva” Big O
    4) The Professional “Race-Baiting” activists al sharpton & jesse Jackson
    6) maxine waters, sheila jackson lee, frederica wilson, susan rice, frederica wilson, bobby rush and all their ilk.

    Alex, I am proud that you are considering me as a “grown most tiresome” for ALL Leftist (Liberals, Progressives, communists, DEMONcrats, etc.)

    And as always, that’s you, Alex, as any and ALL Liberals on this site, reacting HYSTERICALLY to the TRUE FACTS.

    You do not like my “writing skill”. Simply skip them.

    You “also” do not like my attempt to make “the tiny little pin-prick points”.
    “The tiny little pin-prick points” are emphasizing the main concept of the comment.

    Alex, I know that Libs hate and despise the TRUTH, because it’s a POWERFUL WEAPON against Lefts’ LIES, DISTORTIONS, TWISTS, DECEITS, DEFORMATIONS, FRAUDS, TRICKS, CHEATS, DOUBLE-STANDARDS.

    “Great is TRUTH, and mighty above all things.” 2Ezdra 4:41

    Sic semper evello mortem Tyrannis

    P.S. Alex, feel free to bashing me.

    Veritas semper vincit

    • Vis Fac

      Alondra — I took delight in Alex in la-la land referring to me as a Boy Scout. I see in Alex in La-La Land’s mind good is evil and evil is good. Wouldn’t you say that this is typical of progressives in general?

      The
      Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do
      Nothing–Edmund Burke

      A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and
      their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated
      president…

      Our republic no longer exists because we have an omnipotent self centered clown
      in the Oval office who is as unconstitutional as anyone can be. Anyone
      believing we still live in a republic had best take notice of what OUR elected
      officials are doing WITHOUT OUR consent. Our republic no longer exists because
      “We the People” no longer have power!

      Benjamin Franklin once said … A democracy can be best described as two wolves
      and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb
      contesting the vote.”

      Our Republic that allows for a well armed sheep to contest the vote!”

      shall soon be a fond memory for our rubber stamp liberally controlled congress
      is eagerly waiting to disarm us.

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est

      Semper-Fi

    • MexicansaysLibtardsRpukes

      Alondra! You sure got the Libtard pukes wetting their diapers, they been giving you lots of vote down! that means you hit a raw nerve! Keep up the good work! Amiga!

      • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

        Gracias por dar mi animo, Hermano.
        I care less about the “votes down”. I just want to expose their LIES and DISTORTIONS with the FACTS. When they are confronted with the UNDENIABLE and UNDISPUTABLE FACTS they resort to the personal attack with the intent to crash the spirit and character of the opponents by demonization, ridiculing, bullying, insulting…That all they can do. They are stupid and ignorant sheeple.

        «Vanidad de vanidades—dijo el Predicador—;
        vanidad de vanidades, todo es vanidad.»
        3 ¿Qué provecho obtiene el hombre
        de todo el trabajo con que se afana debajo del sol?
        4 Generación va y generación viene,
        pero la tierra siempre permanece.
        5 Sale el sol y se pone el sol,
        y se apresura a volver al lugar de donde se levanta…
        9 ¿Qué es lo que fue? Lo mismo que será.
        ¿Qué es lo que ha sido hecho?
        Lo mismo que se hará,
        pues NADA HAY NUEVO DEBAJO DEL SOL.
        (Eclesiastés 1)

        THERE IS NOTHING NEW UNDER THE SUN.” (Ecclesiastes)

        Que Dios te bendiga y los tuyos.

      • Average_Joe56

        We call those down votes from liberals, “Street Cred”….and we welcome them. As you said, it proves that we’ve hit a raw nerve.
        ;)

    • Quester55

      Despite Your Choice of Bible, You do have a Way about you that I agree with. & Here I Thought my Tongue was Sharper than a 2 Edged Sward .
      Yet None of this really matters to those of Us that Truly Believe in JESUS.
      & Follow his Words
      I’ve found that Most Outsiders torment Us, Mostly out of FEAR, That what we say May be Right!
      So I try to Do the Right Thing & Forgive them, as hard as it is Sometimes.AS For my ” Misuse of CAPS ” I’m like you, I do it to show my Distaste for the intended Reader & if others take offense , let them read someone else.

  • Nondescript Member

    “Of course, there is no doubt that if we lived in a police state, it would be easier to catch terrorists. If we lived in a country that allowed the police to search your home at any time for any reason; if we lived in a country that allowed the government to open your mail, eavesdrop on your phone conversations, or intercept your email communications; if we lived in a country that allowed the government to hold people in jail indefinitely based on what they write or think, or based on mere suspicion that they are up to no good, then the government would no doubt discover and arrest more terrorists. But that probably would not be a country in which we would want to live. And that would not be a country for which we could, in good conscience, ask our young people to fight and die. In short, that would not be America.”

    ~ Senator Russ Feingold (D-WI), voicing his concerns over Congress’ passage of the USA Patriot Act (Oct. 25, 2001)

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/whitehead/whitehead25.1.html

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Yep, Russ Feingold, the only Democrat Senator to vote against the Patriot Act.

      • Nondescript Member

        I’m not a Democrat, but I admire his actions that day!
        Russ Feingold was the only Senator of ANY party to vote no on the USA PATRIOT Act. It takes guts to stand alone–that or integrity.

    • Quester55

      Funny, it is to laugh. A Democrat That must be Joylessly happy, that his Words came to be proven Facts under OBAMA’S DICTATORSHIP & The Worse hasn’t even begone yet, as Obama has 3.5 years left!!
      Hope you all Like Radioactive water & food to Eat.

  • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

    rhcrest’s reply to Alex:
    “What exactly did Alondra state that was untrue?”
    —————————————————————————–
    Dear rhcrest, Precisely the TRUTH is irritating the Lefts.

    The Left Wingers have multiple reactions to the TRUTH:

    Psychological Symptoms are: irritation, itching, redness, swelling, eruptions from their anger, annoyance and fury

    Ideological reactions: frightened scream, discharges of the enormous anger, explosions of the hate, incoherent mumbling, weeping, blames, accusations.

    Medical: allergic reactions such as difficulty to breathe, which may lead to confusion, uproar and blast; to shock, unconsciousness and even to the cardiac arrest and death.

    KG will cite: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” (Matthew 22:39)

    But do not TRUST him. KG is distorting and twisting the Scripture by “CONTEXTOMY” – the practice of quoting out of context (removing quote out of the passage). It’s called a LOGICAL FALLACY – the FALSE ATTRIBUTION in which a passage is removed from its surrounding matter with the one purpose: to DISTORT ITS INTENDED MEANING.

    Jesus Christ WORNS us: “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly THEY ARE RAVENOUS WOLVES.” (Matthew 7:15)

    “For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you… – Apostle Paul (Acts 20:29)

    rhcrest, you are in the midst of wolves. “Therefore be wise as serpents and harmless as doves.” – Jesus Christ (Matthew 10:16)

    Best Wishes,
    Alondra

    • Quester55

      Alondra, Your Meanings are true, However, Please get a Bible that Doesn’t Distort the Words of Jesus so much!
      K.J.V. 1611, is a Great choice, Those others are Corrupted to the point of being worthless. & the K.J.V. Is Not that hard to understand, That rumor was Started by the Devil & has creep into every Religion, since !!
      All for the reason of making you Put Down the Bible & Walking away from it!
      Does the Meaning of ” Gentle as & Harmless As, mean the same thing to you?
      A Watch Dog can have a GENTLE Nature, But it’s also Known for it’s Savage Nature as well.
      A HARMLESS Creature, is HARMLESS in all things!
      Different Meanings all together, Right?
      If you Really want to Study The Truth, check out ” K.J.V. in the Balance ”

      Or go to Chick Publications . com & Look around.

      Just Don’t be an Easy Pushover for the Enemy!

  • charles

    I refuse to give up any portion of my liberty to any govt in the name of my safty and security. I will handle my own safty and security and if you try to take that from me I will deal with you one on one. I dont need a babysitter, why is everyone so quick to depend on the govt or the police for anything.Remember the govt wants to micro manage your life and in any emergency when minuits count the police are only hours away. As a roockie officer in the early 1970s at our academy graduation the chief of my dept was a speaker at the cerimony and something he said there stuck with me through my entire career, he said we are not here to protect the citizens of the city. We are here to investigate the crime and bring the purps to justice. In order to protect the citizens there would have to be one officer for every citizen in the city. It seems today the police are attemting to achieve this by militerising our police, this is a very bad idea

  • KG

    quote: Government, on the other hand, gives it’s customers no choice.

    You can leave this country anytime you want.Why not move to Somalia? There is little regulation and complete freedom to bear arms – you should fit right in! And with your ‘free market’ skills, you would probably be a millionaire in no time!

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      You leave, KGB. Perhaps North Korea? Cuba?
      What the Commies like KGB don’t want you to know:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ym4Xt0T6fM&feature=player_embedded

      • KG

        But that’s the difference between your distopian vision of ‘freedom’ and my fight to keep America free and prosperous for all of “the People”. I like the fact that people in our country thought enough of the welfare of it’s citizens to enact something like Social Security. And that the people who can afford it the most pay the most in taxes. And I like it when our country decides to promote Science and Research by funding colleges and universities. I like the fact that we don’t walk around with guns (well at least some of us, but who knows?)

        Does America have problems? Of course. There is no ‘perfect’ government since Men are not perfect. The difference is in America, our founders decided that the ideals of Democracy could be achieved through a Republic that keeps the best of Democracy and rejects the worse of a Republic. And only through the hard work of Men and Women working together for a common goal: …a more Perfect Union.

      • KG

        But that’s the difference between your distopian vision of ‘freedom’ and my fight to keep America free and prosperous for all of “the People”. I like the fact that people in our country thought enough of the welfare of it’s citizens to enact something like Social Security. And that the people who can afford it the most pay the most in taxes. And I like it when our country decides to promote Science and Research by funding colleges and universities. I like the fact that we don’t walk around with guns (well at least some of us, but who knows?)

        Does America have problems? Of course. There is no ‘perfect’ government since Men are not perfect. The difference is in America, our founders decided that the ideals of Democracy could be achieved through a Republic that keeps the best of Democracy and rejects the worse of a Republic. And only through the hard work of Men and Women working together for a common goal: …a more Perfect Union.

  • Marc McGuire

    Ben Franklin ” Those who give up Freedom for Security Neither Deserve
    Freedom or Security.” I can’t believe how WEAK the American People are!
    And every time we give the Obama Administration and Congress an inch
    they are sure to take a mile. I don’t know about you, but I earned my
    FREEDOM SERVING IN THE UNITED STATES ARMY. I will not relinquish
    MY FREEDOM OR SECURITY WITHOUT A FIGHT, TO ANYONE!

  • steve

    look at what happened in boston. they basically declared marshall law and shut the city down to find one young man. and the people were like sheep. no problem ,get him. try that in new york and see what happens. so yes in some places people will follow the governments lead. so it will just be like ww2 all over again . not just the jews this time bah bah bah bah……

  • Michael Shreve

    Indeed the as 4th Amendment codifies WE THE PEOPLE have an ABSOLUTE right NOT to have our privacy casually violated. ONLY a court order or “exigent” circumstances can violate that privacy.

  • rbrooks

    the first story was written from your beliefs. this is just an attempt to cover that up.

  • Tim

    Hmm. I hate Bloomberg and I hate Sharpton.
    I think them trying to say it’s racist is a distraction from the fact that it violates people’s freedoms regardless of ethnicity. And even though it’s cut down on street crime it’s a violation of freedom.