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Blacks Picket The NAACP

June 17, 2011 by  

Blacks Picket The NAACP

For a moment, I couldn’t believe my eyes. Thousands of residents of Harlem, a New York City neighborhood, had taken to the streets to protest the NAACP. And yes, virtually every one of them was black.

What was it all about? Apparently, a huge number of parents in Harlem believe the quality of education their children are getting is more important than the color of the skin of their teachers. They were demanding better schools — even if that meant a bunch of black teachers lost their jobs.

You won’t be surprised to learn that many of our inner-city schools do a terrible job of educating the young people entrusted to them. More than half of the children who start first grade in inner-city schools drop out before they graduate. Many of those who do make it through 12 grades can’t read above a see-spot-run level. Nor can they do such simple math as making change for a purchase of a Big Mac and fries. No wonder the graduates of inner city schools are virtually unemployable.

Officials in New York City decided to do something about this sorry situation.  They announced plans to close 22 of the worst-performing schools in the city. That was enough to get the teacher’s union riled up. But what really put the union on the warpath was when those same city officials said they would permit charter schools to operate in some of the buildings that would soon be vacant.

But charter schools don’t hire members of the teacher’s union. They don’t guarantee teachers jobs for life or steady increases in pay and benefits every year, no matter how badly the teachers do their jobs. Charter-school teachers get paid based on results — not on tenure or political clout.

Of course, all of this is completely unacceptable to the United Federation of Teachers. No wonder union members went ballistic when they heard about the plan. They were simply protecting their turf. After all, the teachers’ union had demonstrated for years that for them, jobs were job one. Political clout ran a close second. Children’s education was not worth worrying about.

This situation is nothing new. Many years ago, the most powerful leader the teachers’ union ever had, Albert Shanker, was honest enough to admit: “When schoolchildren start paying union dues, that’s when I’ll start representing the interests of schoolchildren.”

Hey, he who pays the piper calls the tune. I get that.

And that, my friends, explains why the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People has aligned itself with the United Federation of Teachers. The NAACP cares more about the jobs of black members of the teachers union — and in New York City that’s a lot of jobs, folks — than they do about the education of children.

So now you understand why thousands of black parents took to the streets of Harlem last month. Will they make a difference? Not if Hazel Dukes, president of the NAACP in New York, has her way. Dukes said the parents “can march and have rallies all day long… We will not respond.”

The teachers’ union and the New York State chapter of the NAACP have filed suit to stop the city from closing those 22 schools or allowing any charter school to operate in any building occupied by a traditional public school.

Will the officials stick to their guns? Or will they cave from the pressure brought by two of the most powerful entities in the State: the teachers’ union and the NAACP?

I wish I could predict a happy outcome. But I suspect that, once again, the right thing to do will be sacrificed on the altar of political expediency.

Meanwhile, what sort of education are the children in your area getting? What percentage of kids who enter the first grade graduate from high school? And of those who do, how well can they read, write and do basic arithmetic?

It’s been a long time since Why Johnny Can’t Read was a national bestseller. But the problem and the solution to the problem haven’t changed. Fire bad teachers. Pay good teachers more. Get the politicians and bureaucrats out of the way.

And if you really want to see some positive changes in our schools, end the monopoly by union thugs and their political buddies. Open up education to competition. Give more money to those who do a better job and less to those who don’t or can’t.

Sure, there would be weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth from one end of this country to the other. But it wouldn’t come from most students, since they know they are being used by people who really don’t give a hoot about them.

Until next time, keep some powder dry.

–Chip Wood

Chip Wood

is the geopolitical editor of PersonalLiberty.com. He is the founder of Soundview Publications, in Atlanta, where he was also the host of an award-winning radio talk show for many years. He was the publisher of several bestselling books, including Crisis Investing by Doug Casey, None Dare Call It Conspiracy by Gary Allen and Larry Abraham and The War on Gold by Anthony Sutton. Chip is well known on the investment conference circuit where he has served as Master of Ceremonies for FreedomFest, The New Orleans Investment Conference, Sovereign Society, and The Atlanta Investment Conference.

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  • DaveH

    Kudos to those black parents who get it. Keep the faith. Don’t let the Special Interests wear you down.

    • Vagabond

      my sentiments too Dave but the naacp and the union THUGS will start paying those folks a visit and they will change their minds,

    • ralph herman

      Not all protesters were black and not all of Harlem is black.The MAACP was never about equal rights but special treatment and now its racist colors are showing.

      • JAMES DEFFENDALL

        iTS ABOUT TIME THAT THEY STOP LETTING THE NAACP & THE GOV. USED THEM FOR THEIR OWN NEEDS, AL THE YEARS THEY HAVE BEEN SELLING YOU A BILL OF GOODS AN YOU OR NO BETTER NOW THAN BEFORE REMEMBER CLINTON THE FIRST BLACK PRES. WHEN HE WAS IN TROUBLE I AM GOING TO FIX THE SCHOOLS ”BULL” IN LESS YOU RISE UP AN GET RID OF THE OLD I WANT TO HELP PEOPLE AN GO FOR YOUR RIGHTS. THIS IS ONE HONKY WHO LIVED ON 116th ST FOR 20 YEARS WHO UNDERSTANDS WHAT HAPPEN.

        • ron

          This just shows that blacks are open minded and can disagree with the NAACP on some issues. Unlike some who will stay the course no matter the wrong. The NAACP has done great things for this country, but they can be wrong on some issues just like the Heritage Foundation and others can be wrong. Yes they disagree with the NAACP on this issue but not all issues. The NAACP is on the wrong side of this issue and parents are letting them know it. I lived in the south when members of the NAACP marched with Dr. King. I am also a union official a veteran (US Army) and not a thug.

      • ron

        You are entitled to your opinion and I do respect it though I do not agree with it. The NAACP is surely out of touch on some issues today, but hardly racist.

      • ron

        So I assume Brown v the Board Of Education was another racist move for special intrest?

    • Wayne937

      I agree. Dave. Education of those children shoud come before any special interest groups. I hope they hold on to their principles.

      • Harold Fry

        Right on, Wayne!! Will anyone give odds on whether the ACLU will counter-sue on behalf of the children?

        • Christin

          Harold,
          Unfortunately, I’ll bet you are right… what a shame.

        • Al Sieber

          Harold, the ACLU are a bunch of commies.

          • Matthew B.

            The ACLU has NAMBLA a pedophile organization as one of their multi million dollar clients. I don’t think these commies give a hahoo hoo about any child.

      • Christin

        Wayne937,
        I’m with you on that one.

        I taught Elementary, Middle school, Junior High, and
        College Freshman for 15 years before I stayed home to have my children. I never went back… the Public schools make if impossible to enjoy teaching and just do your job to educate the students in a fun and informative manner.

        Teaching was a LOT of work, but I had fun coming up with great activities to make it fun… and seeing their good grades and improvements in writing and thinking was a reward for us both.
        Many of my students ended up being tested and got into (GT) Gifted & Talented and (AP) Advanced classes the following year.

        But the School Administration and the State Board of Education added so many burdens and demands to my already hard work that it almost became impossible to teach at the level I expected of myself. So many lower academic students in ‘special ed’ had so many ‘special rules’ that one could barely keep up with it… for example if they failed a test they had to retake it after you gave them three days notice and they could not make lower than a 70% whether they failed it or aced it.

        The Teacher Unions sent a representative to visit our schools and she would ask us how things were and if we needed anything… she showed she cared and would fight for us. I just wanted GOOD Principals and Vice Principals who were fair and would discipline behavior problems… a rarity or luxury in many schools.
        Later, I found out the Teacher union rep was a Democrat and was pushing leftist or liberal views and propping up more demos to fill in leadership positions… I was sorry my dues were going to help their cause, not just for great education for all while providing a safe school (In one school I had juvenile (gang) criminals in my class from the boys youth detention house).

        I have worked along side many excellent & enthusiastic Teachers and unfortunately many bad Teachers who didn’t put an ounce or effort or creativity into their class subject. BUT I have to admit… besides the necessary efforts of the Teachers and the School Administrators, the STUDENTS and PARENTS Must be held Accountable for their (LACK of) Effort in listening, participating, learning and studying the subject material presented.

        You can’t learn for someone else, they must be responsible, too.

        Everything one must learn in life can’t be learned Just in the classroom, much outside learning must take place as well from Parents and the Student themselves.

        Education would be MUCH better off withOUT Unions and Politics.
        Just let Good Teachers Teach.

        • DaveH

          So true. We need to get the self-promoting Government out of education. We need more than school choice. We need educational choice for our children. And it isn’t going to be easy to achieve. We have to fight special interests the whole way.

        • Jana

          Christin,
          Praise the Lord for the teachers who try. Sounds like you were a teacher of great quality..

          • Christin

            Thanks Jana :)

        • http://N/A Mary Arledge

          I can remember one of our sons (11th gr.) came home from school one day and said, “Boy, mom, if I didn’t have home to come to and family prayer and you and dad teaching us kids the way to go, I would absolutely be lost!” I don’t know why he made that remark and I was almost afraid to ask.

          All six of our children have grown up to be very good, law abiding citizens who love God and Family. We continue to pray for them and their families (12 grandchildren). And we all certainly pray for our Country!

        • Bus

          I taught for 30 years, after year 3 I dropped from the Union and never looked back. Most of the money the union gets goes to the Federal level and ALWAYS backs the democrats. I loved teaching but the union was never a help and more of a hindrance.

      • skip

        What I don’t want to see is Wall Street companies running our schools – god save us from those thieves. But our teachers should be the absolute best and brightest of our citizens, since their obligation is to make our students the best educated in the world. To get this done, there are three absolute requirements: 1. Their job has to be dependent on their ability to teach and the results of their teaching; 2. They have to be paid an appropriate wage for this most important of all jobs in our country (I would even submit the highest paid person in our country should be the best teacher, and no one could earn more, but no assurance that you would have a job the next year if you did not deliver the goods!). 3. Teachers who really do their job well deserve our respect and admiration, and most of all the respect of their students; disrespect for teachers should result in rather meaningful discipline. The basis of a successful society is outstanding education – offer it to everyone, but if you do not take advantage of it, there should be little sympathy/compassion/leniency.

        Divert the trillions of Wall Street thievery to our educational system, and make sure that morals and ethics are taught as well!

        • Rock

          Excuse me..How old are you? THOSE SENATORS NEED TO BE PUT ON TRIAL! Do you choose to ignore that it was our own democratic politicians in 2004 that opened the door “STATED INCOME” and all for political gain leading to 14 trillion dollar Deficit! By the way who is WALL STREET? Give me your definition. Of course the mainstream news talks about those greedy CEO’s right. Those CEO’s have little invested interest in their company with their fancy 5 year fixed payout contract set up. That’s not entrepreneurship that employee comfort. Pretty smart of the CEO and pretty dumb of those too huge CO’s to have much individual thought. Wake UP! Seriously! Barney made buck off that debt business and you like those senators in 2007 have the audacity to scold the banks on news for political gain while they were the ones actually forcing these banks to make these risky loans. I may be broke but I am no fool! Shoot can you at least recognize that the Unions together with our government jumped in aggressively to stop these banks from going bankrupt. Hmmmm I wonder why? Do you really believe that talk that it was simply a bailout of the banks? SORRY it was a bailout of the Unions who have power and play politics 24/7. If the banks did what was right which some wanted to do our economy would be better prepared today for a healthy recovery. BUT going bankrupt would have crippled the power of Unions while they control many of these big institutions. THOSE SENATORS AVOIDING RESPONSIBILiTY NEED TO BE PUT ON TRIAL! DO you know what stated income is? maybe not and that is ok I will not consider you a fool because I judge people on their character not how much they may sound to know. Their is NO HEALTHY LEADERSHIP OR SPIRIT in our School system. Our kids have better character than those in charge of our public school systems. I Sadly and truly believe that! IF only we had more people who have taken the necessary risks to create jobs teaching our children. If you can’t contribute directly to our economy than fine maybe teaching can be your calling. I appreciate those like myself who desire to inspire and teach kids while helping them realize they are more capable than they think. GREAT as long as we do not forget where our money provided for us to teach comes from. Watch John Stossel tonight..the question is “is college a rip off?” I already know that. If your apart of the Union don’t be afraid. Its ok because needs do actually exist where you can help and contribute. How useful is all that specialized knowledge you have? For all that knowledge the Unions better pay you more right? But where is the need?

      • Myrna

        I think all children would benefit from a charter school education or home-school co-ops. I think it scares “trained” teachers when they see that many children taught that way far out-shine public school taught students. I know of several children who were home-taught that received scholarships to first class universities, like BYU. I also know of a rural one room school in MT that received a national science award several years ago–because they had a teacher who cared for his students, loved teaching and was dedicated to seeing that his kids learned.

    • Bruman

      Maybe some of the black folks finally want off the democrat plantation? Some people just don’t want to stay poor and stupid.

      • JUKEBOX

        Only the rap and Ebonics fans!

        • R. Smullen

          You got that right,Jukebox.

    • Void1972

      I think it was another Black Congressman, Alan Keyes, that said “The largest terrorist organization in America is not alqaeda, but the teachers union.” They are controlled by the Communist that have destroyed our country and devastated our educational system with the no child left behind scam. trickle up stupidity is how our children are now educated.
      America was number one in the world in education up until the 90s. We are currently at 25 of the 30 industrialized nations. How did our leaders let this happen? The same way they sold out our middle class and destroyed our economy. Communism at it’s finest.

      • JUKEBOX

        Alan Keyes was an ambassador, not a congressman, but a far superior intellect to anyone in the Obama White House.

        • http://N/A Mary Arledge

          If Alan Keyes ran for President at the same time as Obama (2008), we certainly would have voted for Alan Keyes as he has his priorities right. How can we trust a person (as Obama, or anyone) who does not respect life from the very beginning to the very end? We had our beginning in our mother’s wombs–did we not? The Family is the smallest unit of Society and if it comes tumbling down (gay rights,etc.) and taking God out of its picture, how can we expect God to bless us and our country??? Lord, have mercy!

      • angelo

        Alan is the smartest man alive!!!

        • independent thinker

          Must dissagree Thomas Sowell is just as smart.

      • Skyknight

        Considering that the entire Democratic Party is controlled by Communist including Obama, both the Clintons, Polosi, and Reid, is it any wonder we are in this situation.

    • http://liberty2@frontiernet.net Stanley McCumber

      Thugs, NAACP, Parents, none of this really matters..Until the children learn respect you cannot teach them. Do what you have to do to teach them respect. Until this happens forget it America. If you walk into these schools you have no idea what is going on. Absolutely no respect for the teachers is the worst thing going, and until these children are taught respect it is down the toilet with America. Try asking these teachers or any teachers in city America.

  • ron

    Chip, why was this a black issue. Do they not have white teachers in the New York City Public School system? Why is it surprising that blacks are upset with the NAACP? Do you not think black are capable of independent thinking? Or do you think all blacks that voted in 2008 voted for the president because he was also black? You may not believe this either, but there were some blacks who did not agree with MLK.

    • JeffH

      ron, you used the word “black” six times in your single paragraph while Chip used the word four times in 18 paragraphs and once in the title. Your attempt to make Chip out as being a racist doesn’t cut it and is weak. Chip made it very clear in his comments what this is all about. The parents in Harlem, who are predominantly black, are more interested in getting an education for their children than either the NAACP or the United Federation of Teachers union who don’t want any competion from the charter schools because the UFT has no control over charter schools. Pretty simple to understand if you het past your “barrier”.

      A common theme amongst the protesters was voiced by Zelda Owens.
      “As a lifelong Harlemite, I do recognize the fact that charter schools have given parents incredible options in educating our children,” Owens said. “And I believe that any option, one that adds tremendous demonstrated value, is something that all parents should fight for whether they’re in charter schools or not.”

      Many charter school parents disputed the NAACP’s argument that charter schools located inside district space hurt district schools.

      • DaveH

        Now if we could just get the Government out of their curriculum choices we could really start moving forward.

        • abod

          I agree to the idea of taking away the power from the government to dictate curriculum because most of the official are interested in political influences rather than developing the potentials of becoming good decision making individuals.

        • Jana

          It sounds like this community is just a good American community wanting the best for their children. Hooray for them.

      • Vagabond

        Jeff ron is one of those who just never will understand. because he doesn’t want too.

      • Cawmun Cents

        “Those doggone Harlemites and their schools.They remind me of Detroitans and their schools.”-CC.

        • http://WeThePeople Jean

          Wow – is that because Detroits Charters schools are the same as the ones in Texas – that teach from thr Koran?

          • Cawmun Cents

            No…..its from progressives running the school systems for the past 40 years.-CC.

      • Paul Huggins

        Exactly what I have been saying for years ! putting lazy, unqualified teachers into any given area of a city, does nothing for the benefit of a quality education to the inner city schools! and their children ! There are plently of qualified teachers out there, don’t let their race be a deciding factor ! and leave the damn politics out of the hiring practice !

      • wandamurline

        My daughter started here career as a teacher in PK4in the public school system, which is nothing more than a baby sitter for kids with limited income….the program is not open to everyone, only the poor or problem kids. By the time the school year was over, she was taking medication to keep her sanity because she had a room of all boys with the exception of a couple of girls. She got a position at a charter school and absolutely loves it. It is completely a different atmosphere, one of learning.

    • TIME

      Ron,

      I agree with what Jeff posted as I am a real American MUT with a black backround my Great Great Grandmother was a slave sold on Market street in Savana in the 1840′s.

      I will agree with you that there are many of us who didn’t vote for Barry why? We are hard workers and made something of our selfs. But to add to that all the talk about being equal no longer holds value as we are equal the only thing government has done or is doing is making us targets of hate by their actions that suppress others.
      The people of this nation don’t need a special interest group to gain traction thats whats wrong. That type of behavior then places one group above an other.
      Now please feel free to correct me if I am wrong but is that not what discrimination is?

      I for one find Barry Soetoro to be worthless he is making anyone of color look like a dork. Please just look at his statment from this week that ATM’s are the reason we don’t have jobs, then to follow that up with – Technology has taken all the jobs.
      The dammage he did to the people of color with just these two stupid statment alone can never be undone.
      Let alone the countless other stupid statments he has made.

      Thats why the NAACP is of no value. People of color need good teachers just as all kids do. Saddly was have very few good teachers due totaly to the following, the DOE and the NEA.
      Get these two out of this nations Education System and what will happen is that this nation will be reborn.

      • http://republicwatchdog.blogspot.com/ Godfatherofblog

        Time: You seem to have your heard on right! We need more Americans like you that see past the color barrier and look more to character~!!!
        MLK couldn’t have said it any better~!! Cootos to you~!!!

      • http://MSN.com Elena T

        Students need smart teachers. We have too many affirmative action black teachers, doctors, lawyers who has poor quality of knowledge. They want more black intelligent people, therefore everywhere governments use affirmative action.

        • http://MSN.com Pedro Blank

          I am Spanish. I came to United State from South America 15 years ago. I learned a lot from people, I work hard and I am honest. I don’t want to live in Black Neighborhoods. I live in a small white neighborhood and I feel happy and safe here. I believe differences between human races are genetics. Governments can’t do anything about human races that have different genes for IQ, behavior, genetic disease. No matter how you teach children who are white, black or Asian their performance will be on their DNA genes and IQ level. Good schools or bad schools nothing will change. For this reason we have affirmative action for people with lower IQ.

          • Joyful Song

            Actually, nutrition has more to do with it than genetics. When pregnant mothers eat worthless junk foods, they deprive their babies of the nutrients required for good brain development. Also, the preschool interaction between parents and children has a great influence on the children’s achievements (or lack thereof).

          • Ret

            Ouch! Lived in a “good” Atlanta suburb with as many well educated, talented, blacks as whites. I came back north because I was concerned by the illegal hispanics huddling in groups all over and the crime rate. Good, bad and indifferent in all groups. Talented, stupid and ignorant in all groups as well.

          • jibbs

            dumba$$

          • DaveH

            You’re wrong, Pedro. It has little to do with genetics and everything to do with culture. Joyful is correct about the nutritional aspects, but nutrition would be included in culture. I’m not just talking about racial culture. I’m talking about culture at a family level. Given the proper family environment, any ethnicity can excel, and given the improper family environment, any ethnicity can fail.
            I’ve known some brilliant blacks in my personal life. I will say, though, that they (the ones I’ve known) have all suffered from the “blame whitey” syndrome, which is a huge impediment to their progress. In my high school days, I observed that the blacks were the ones holding back the blacks who made an effort to excel, not the whites. If blacks dared to get good grades they would be harrassed and called names such as “Oreo” by their fellow blacks.
            I wish that we would all get over the black/white thing and unite to stop the leaders from making Serfs out of all of us.

          • http://MSN.com Tanya Levitan

            I agree with Pedro that all humans have different DNA genes there different IQ level. Good nutrition’s are help but it‘s still can’t change DNA genes, or IQ results. After the Russian revolution then during and after WW II in Russia was big starvation no food, people were happy when they ate a piece of bread, many ate grass, many people died from starvation. At that time many famous scientists were born, engineers. They had very poor nutrition but still born many smart people with high IQ>. USSR completely collapsed and rebuild in a short period of time. Now, Russia is most powerful country in the world.

          • karolyn

            Tanya – Russia is most certainly NOT the most powerful country in the world!

          • karolyn

            Pedro – You are W-R-O-N-G!

          • http://naacp Tony

            Hey Pedro:
            The arguement about black peoples’ “genetics and iqs” can be applied
            to hispanic people too. Think about that before making such bizarre
            statements. To everyone else, the gov. needs to stop interfering
            in the lives of all Americans white with non-white. Then, let them decide their own course of action. Thanks!!

          • http://naacp Tony

            TO Tanya:
            Black people in the U.S. have higher incomes, education levels, higher life expectancies with overall better living standards then
            the average person in Russia. As a matter of fact, a black person
            living in the worse American ghetto is better off, than an everyday
            Russian citizens. Furthermore, Russia as a country, no offense, stinks to high heaven. Think about why they’re many Russian/Ukrainian
            mail order brides. They want to escape horrors of the native homelands. Dasvadanya!!

          • TIME

            Folks,

            Pedro has a good point, as well many of you are also correct on the Nutrition issue. In fact its both “Genetic’s and Nutrition” that play vital roles in how the brain develops.
            As well the most important factor, “LOVE and Kindness and a good strong moral base line.”

            If you treat children with LOVE and Kindness and they as well have a stable home life with good food even if its just onion soup and bread, as well they have a strong genetic backround as in parents with higher IQ’s than normal the child will fair far better than a child that has lacking family LOVE, lacking food, and parents with low IQ’s.
            You gain your stable platform that will carry you through life by the age of 7.

            Not unlike myself my Mother gave me away at less than a year old, I have never known my real mother nor father nor what their IQ’s were I can only guess that they gave me away out of LOVE, but I could be wrong.
            I was brought up by a loving Japanese family who had three children. So I spoke Japanese, English and French before I even started school. I could do math problems up to standard of an 8th grade student.
            Also our dad spent an hour plus every day with us teaching us Karate from age 4 on and Math daily we had to do our math puzzels before we could do anything else. Our mother tought us how to paint pictures, Language how to read how to play the Paino and sing, even if her voice was off key, she allowed us to explore music and oddly I became a musician.
            We learned respect and we also learned how to best help each other. We all had summer jobs by the age of 8 even if it were only lawn care or painting a fence stacking fire wood or collecting bottles.
            BTW, we also helped older folks who lived near us by removing snow from their driveways walk ways and going to the store for them etc. This was done at no charge as our family even being poor we still gave help to our neighbors who needed it.

            We were dirt poor in so far as in money. But we were rich beyond all words as far as Love and understanding of how to use ones mind, reading and helping other. I would never trade my youth for anything to include being born with a silver spoon. The best years of my life were as a child, all of it helped me when I worked for others and then became a business owner myself.

            BTW, both my younger brother and sister helped me build our Company they have been my best support system over the years. We may not be blood, but we have a bond thats stronger than Gorilia Glue.

          • DaveH

            Here is a learned treatment of the controversy (heridity vs. environment):
            http://allpsych.com/journal/iq.html

          • DaveH

            Touching story, Time. I’m happy for you.

          • karolyn

            TIME – What a wonderful story. What great parents you had! When your story is compared to that of a client which I just read today, it so saddens me. Not that I don’t feel happiness for you. It is just that so so many have lives of utter futility because of the families they are born into. On the other hand, there are brilliant children born into horrific families who if given the right encouragement, can grow into wonderful productive citizens. It sure is an uphill climb for them!

          • DaveH

            One Psychology professor decades ago told me of a study where they told the subjects that their IQs were the opposite of what they really were. Those who falsely believed they had high IQs outperformed those who falsely believed they had low IQs.
            Does this mean students should be lied to about their IQ scores? I don’t think so, but it does demonstrate that self-perception and confidence play a large role in a student’s scholastic achievement.

          • Vigilant

            TIME,

            Thanks for sharing that, and I agree with your assessment of the indicators of success.

            The liberal view has always been that it’s a matter of environment and culture alone. The whole rationalization for the spendthrift policies of the left is that if it’s purely a socioeconomic problem, then you can cure it if you throw enough money at it. It’s dead wrong.

            The leftists cried to high Heaven when Richard Hernstein and Charles Murray published “The Bell Curve” in 1994. From the jacket cover:

            “…low intelligence, independent of social, economic or ethnic background lies at the root of many of our social problems. The authors demonstrate the truth of another taboo fact: that intelligence levels differ among ethnic groups. THIS FINDING IS ALREADY WELL-KNOWN AND WIDELY DISCUSSED AMONG PSYCHOMETRICIANS AND OTHER SCHOLARS (Caps mine).”

            As the authors say, “Properly administered IQ tests are not demonstrably biased against social, economic, ethnic or racial groups.” When the cultural biases were removed, Asians scored highest on the tests, whites (incl. Hispanics) scored slightly lower, and blacks were, on average, 15 median points lower than the whites.

            Now, obviously, this was a controversial study, but it was as far from racist as it could be. The authors started out to seek an “understanding [of] the relationship of intelligence to social structure and public policy.” What they discovered along the way made them “worried..from the day [they] set to work” that the findings would be wrongly construed and how they might do harm.

            Does this mean that environmental factors are not a partial influence on success? No, of course not. Does it mean that blacks are inferior? No, of course not. Does it mean that eugenics is the order of the day? No, of course not. Nor does it abridge in any way the entitlement of all to equal opportunity and natural rights.

            What it does mean is that devoting billions of taxpayer dollars to the improving of economic conditions of minorities will not alone change those IQ-related indicators of success in the labor market. The collapse of the housing market, thanks to the Democrats and Fannie/Freddie, should have told us something along those lines.

            The behaviorists (progressives and socialists) have always been on the side of “nurture” in the nature/nurture argument for good reason: to relinquish control of those billions of dollars would reduce their power over other people.

            The Nature/Nurture argument will go on for a long time. It’s reasonable to say that BOTH socioeconomic status AND the heritability of IQ will share the stage as reasons for the ethnic differences in success.

          • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

            Pedro Blank,
            In thirties there was a twelve year old black girl’s recorded IQ was 200+.This girl had no trace of caucasian or oriental history.She was born and raise in Chicago.Have you ever heard of DR.George Washinton Carver? Carver was a son of slaves.He was a versatile genius.I don’t think race has got anything to do with it.Check it out.

          • http://MSN.com Tanya Levitan

            Tony is most stupid and arrogant. You can’t compare black ghetto with whole Russia.
            Moscow and Saint Petersburg 100% better and safe than any black ghettos. Russian women are considered most attractive in all world.

          • Karolyn

            Get off it, Tanya! A great many countries could say the same thing about their women! Some of the most beautiful women I’ve ever seen are from Africa dnd the Mideast!

          • Al Sieber

            Good point Dave, it all have to do with culture, the Govt. divides us by culture, religion, politics, etc.. they keep us divided.

          • Al Sieber

            And race, Dave.

          • Al Sieber

            Time, not to get off the subject, but, besides gorilla glue, they have gorilla “duct tape” also. I do a good job fixing things with bailing wire, or “mechanics wire, duct tape,and what comes in that’s handy.

          • Jana

            Time,
            What a beautiful and wonderful life you have had. You are indeed an inspiration. You have wisdom and demonstrate good common sense. You have been blessed, and by telling us your life history you have blessed us.
            Thank you for sharing.

      • LindaLu

        Amen to TIME!! It’s time to get teachers out who are teaching just because it’s a job with great benefits and hire those who really care about the kids. Get the fed. govt out of education – they’ve made a mess of everything else.

        • lkar

          Actually it is more than teachers just teaching because it is a job with great beneifits. These kind of teachers can at least do the job. It is the teachers that get by without doing their job of teaching! I do not care if the teacher is not in it for the kids. They just need to be held accountable to actually teaching.
          If the union was honest and said theyh only care about the teachers getting the best wages and benifits, I am OK with that. But DO NOT finance campaigns for politicians and bond referendums using children as their human shields!

      • Patricia

        TIME, I COULDN’T AGREE WITH YOU MORE. I AM WHITE AND WAS RAISED WORKING ON MY FAMILY’S FARM RIGHT ALONG SIDE OF PEOPLE OF COLOR. WHO WAS THE SLAVE, HA? THE NAACP HAS USED PEOPLE OF COLOR TO GET THEIR AGENDA DONE ALL THESE YEARS, JUST LIKE THE KKK. PEOPLE WITH KNOWLEDGE AND WISDOM STAY FROM THIS KIND OF THING. THEY BOTH HAVE USED EVERYTHING IN THEIR MEANS TO KEEP US ALL AT EACH OTHERS THROATS FOR SO MANY YEARS. IT’S TIME THIS NATION ALL WOKE UP AND LOVE ONE ANOTHER LIKE JESUS TOLD US TO. IF YOU HATE YOUR BROTHER YOU ARE IN DANGER OF HELL FIRE. LOVE IS OF GOD.

        • Ret

          Patricia, please stop shouting. Thank you.

          • Jana

            Ret,
            Sometimes people write in all caps as they cannot see very well. I don’t think she was yelling.

        • DaveH

          I think you’re right, Patricia, except for the religious thing. We don’t have to be religious to respect our neighbors.

          • karolyn

            Absolutely right, Dave. Before anyone can respect his neighbor, he has to respect himself; and you don’t need religion to do that.

          • TIME

            No K you don’t need religion to have a moral center. But you do need a “Moral base line,” thats what Religions are all about.
            Even when one has no faith one must still have a “MORAL base line.”

            As I noted on Thursday 6/16/2011 (not all Religions) are what they say they are. In fact many are little more than WOLF’S in sheep skins.

            **To everyone; Know whom you are dealing with stop being lazy and really explore your world don’t rely on the Government nor the MEDIA to explain and or tell you whats going on, and what to do.

            Take responsibility for yourself, learn something new daily, speak with someone you don’t know daily about anything.
            Be as if today were your last day, how will you act?
            Will it be as a giving and peace loving person?
            Or as a person for world HATE rolled into a fuzzy warm package of a Passive Agressive.

            Your choice, what will it be?

          • DaveH

            You’re right, Time. Although I am athiest, I shudder to think what kind of society we might have without the moral teachings of religion. I do believe that there are solid practical reasons for most morality, but who would bother to go there if not for religion?

          • karolyn

            I absolutely believe that man has a natural moral baseline found when he is true to who he really is spiritually.

        • TIME

          Patricia,
          A very fine post..

      • Vagabond

        so very well said. and so very very true TIME,

      • bob wire

        Well, the school system are forced to work on the bell curve. That so many children that go to “any one schools” home environment has not prepared them for school in a way they might compete with other students seems to demand employing the bell curve.

        Children with behavior and emotional issues are much harder to teach anything and drag brighter students down.

        Via Social engineering “busing” has been tried to address this issue.

        So if you have a good plan to get “Johnny” to learn, let’s hear it.

        I’ve had to deal with this when I was raising mine back in the 80′s. We had to move out from where we lived, out of the inner schools and into the suburbs and into another school district.

        They call it “white flight” while it has little to do with a racial bias.

        AS a child myself, I came from the rural cotton fields of Center Texas, I had never heard English spoken correctly in my life until I started to public school in the city. My teachers had their hands full. If too many children like myself had enrolled in one school, year in and year out, these schools would have experienced a performance problem as well.

        I don’t know what to tell these parents, ~ are their children the victims or part of the problem? We don’t know this at first glance. We’d have to give these parents a hard look while I understand the nature of what they protest about.

        In many case public schools have become simple “Baby sitters” to people with poor parenting skills.

      • DaveH

        You’re right about placing one group above the other, Time.
        Much of the racial division in the South occurred because the so-called “rebels” (that is, they dared to advocate their own destiny instead of being under the Unconstitutional thumb of the Northern Mercantilists) were disenfranchised, while at the same time the Blacks were given the vote (the Fourteenth Amendment). That would make any man angry, no matter if he was biased previously or not.
        The road to peace is NOT in giving one group or the other special protections by the Government. And I doubt the Leaders who invoke these rules are unaware of that. They are simply buying votes. And obviously it has worked judging by the number of blacks who voted for Obama.
        When the citizens of this country get it through their thick skulls that Leaders are out for themselves usually, then maybe we can start working towards getting our Freedom back.
        Probably most of the Liberals are under the mistaken impression that only Republicans have their favorite Crony Capitalists. Democrats have theirs also:
        GE, many other “green” companies, Unions, etc.
        To witness the Union Favoritism, just look at the Boeing fiasco, and the GM bondholder rip-off in favor of the UAW, and even the moratorium on gulf oil drilling. You say “What has the moratorium got to do with Unions?”. See here to get a clue:
        http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/editorial/outlook/7047234.html

        • Vigilant

          “Much of the racial division in the South occurred because the so-called “rebels” (that is, they dared to advocate their own destiny instead of being under the Unconstitutional thumb of the Northern Mercantilists) were disenfranchised, while at the same time the Blacks were given the vote (the Fourteenth Amendment). That would make any man angry, no matter if he was biased previously or not.”

          From Wikipedia:

          “The Amnesty Act of May 22, 1872 was a United States federal law that removed voting restrictions and office-holding disqualification against most of the secessionists who rebelled in the American Civil War, except for some 500 military leaders of the Confederacy. The original restrictive Act was passed by the United States Congress on May 1866.”

          So, while slaves had been denied the vote or any representation for 75 years after the writing of the Constitution, the whites who had supported a system of brutal oppression lost their vote for 6 years. Yes, that would indeed make you angry, if you were a white southerner.

          As soon as the southern whites regained control of their governments, they did everything in their power to prevent the black man from voting, and guess what? They succeeded.

          Thanks to the Jim Crow Laws, poll taxes, and KKK intimidation, the blacks essentially lost the vote again, this time for almost 100 years.

          BTW, “they dared to advocate their own destiny” is code for “they wanted no government interference in perpetuating the unconscionable institution of slavery.”

          • DaveH

            How do explain the fact that the North still had slavery in 4 states?
            And that Lincoln excluded the Northern Slave Holding states in the Emancipation Proclamation.
            Your my way or the Highway just falls flat, Vigilant.
            Believe what you want, but the thinking people can read “Lincoln Unmasked” to learn just how Lincoln’s character really was. Big Government at its finest.

          • DaveH

            You’re black, aren’t you Vigilant?
            I can think of no other reason for you to go off on the tangent that you do.
            You know that I want to shrink Big Government, thus depriving leaders of institutionalizing racism. These are human issues, and Government can’t solve them, nor do they want to. Their goals are simply to feather their own nests and they will patronize whoever they need to in order to grow their power.

          • DaveH

            I don’t know what your grudge against the South is, Vigilant, but your prejudice against Southerners implies that you think the pre-civil war Notherners weren’t racist. They were. They were very racist:
            http://civilwartalk.com/forums/showthread.php?56469-Racism-in-the-Pre-Civil-War-North
            And modern day racism is alive and well in the North. Racism has been with us for a long time and will continue as long as people keep stirring the pot.

          • DaveH

            Prejudice has been with us a long time, and unfortunately will probably continue to be since Government just can’t quit their meddling. But it isn’t just many Whites who are bigots. Blacks also have their fair share of bigots. See here. Note the poll answers from black people:
            http://www.bestandworst.com/r/104739.htm

          • Vigilant

            DaveH says, “How do explain the fact that the North still had slavery in 4 states?
            And that Lincoln excluded the Northern Slave Holding states in the Emancipation Proclamation.”

            Exceptionally easy to explain, it’s no mystery.

            The Emancipation Proclamation was a military move to create turmoil and foment slave uprisings in the South. I thought you knew that, smart boy. Lincoln obviously didn’t want to lose the support of his Union slaveholding states now, did he?

            The 13th Amendment, which grew out of the EP, freed ALL the slaves. It was passed by the Congress in January 1865 and Lincoln considered it the crowning accomplishment of his administration. Now how do you square that with your charges that Lincoln was pro-slavery?

          • Vigilant

            DaveH says, “You’re black, aren’t you Vigilant?
            I can think of no other reason for you to go off on the tangent that you do.”

            Do you think blacks are prone to “go off on tangents?” That sure sounds like a stereotype to me.

          • Vigilant

            DaveH says, “I don’t know what your grudge against the South is, Vigilant, but your prejudice against Southerners implies that you think the pre-civil war Notherners weren’t racist. They were. They were very racist.”

            (1) I have neither a prejudice nor grudge against the South. I have a distaste for those slavery apologists (did you look up the word “apologist” bud?), revisionist historians and people who reject plain facts when put before their faces.

            (2) “Prejudice” implies prejudgment, and I prejudge no one. Unlike you, I don’t sweepingly condemn a whole population of people. Shall we amend your statement properly to say that a great many, probably a majority, of Northerners were racist? Let us also say that the vast majority of Southerners were racist as well.

            (3) You might enroll in a course on logic. Even if it were true (which it is not) that I am prejudiced against southerners, it does not logically follow that I would deny the racism of the North.

          • DaveH

            Don’t try to make this a race issue on my part, Vigilant. It is not and never has been. I was simply trying to figure out where the intensity of your bias was coming from. And you should know that I immediately realized how foolish it was of me to ask your ethnicity, as you are a known liar, so it is useless to expect an honest answer from you.
            I know that there are Good Blacks, and I know that there are Bad Whites. I also am wise enough to know that there are Bad Blacks, and and to know that there are Good Whites.
            And I have never apologized for Slavery. Neither has Dilorenzo.
            You know these facts if you are half as intelligent as you pretend to be. I think that you are biased beyond belief. But then, that’s your problem, not mine.
            Anybody who has read the articles that I have posted and has the ability to do critical thinking knows that.
            You can huff and puff all you want, Vigilant. That doesn’t change the facts.

          • Vigilant

            “And I have never apologized for Slavery. Neither has Dilorenzo.”

            Since, in your determinastion to remain ignorant, you have not looked up the word “apologist” in the dictionary, I’ll provide you with the definition: “one who argues in defense of any person or cause.”

            Now that’s not the same as “apologize” is it?

            Like I’ve said, arguing with you is like shooting fish in a barrel.

          • DaveH

            You lie, Vigilant! But why does that not surprise me?
            I have never “sweepingly condemn[ed] a whole population of people”. I condemned Lincoln and his unnamed power-hungry cohorts.

            And Vigilant says “You might enroll in a course on logic. Even if it were true (which it is not) that I am prejudiced against southerners, it does not logically follow that I would deny the racism of the North”.
            Another of Vigilant’s personal attacks in lieu of the facts. But, ignore that, and read his “logical” comment carefully. And even replace his “deny the racism” with “admit the racism”. His comment still wouldn’t be logical, because one could be prejudiced against the South regardless of his feelings about Northerners.

            I have taken logic courses, Vigilant, and I have a four-year degree in Mathematics, and have been a computer programmer (both of which require intense logical reasoning) off and on throughout my career.

          • Vigilant

            “Anybody who has read the articles that I have posted and has the ability to do critical thinking knows that.
            You can huff and puff all you want, Vigilant. That doesn’t change the facts.”

            Anyone who reads those articles, based on second and third hand leaps of speculation and poor scholarship, knows that you don’t get the real lowdown until you check the source documents. Putting your fingers in your ears and humming doesn’t result in any expansion of knowledge, Dave, but that seems to be your M.O.

            When you read the source documents, a list I have provided on more than one occasion, then you can do some critical thinking. In the absence of taking those pains, you are just a “true believer” who holds a point of view based on incomplete information. You and DiLorenzo will never run the risk of being called “historians.”

            You can huff and puff all you want, Dave. That doesn’t change the facts

          • DaveH

            I know what apologist means, Vigilant. You are quite the Equivocater, aren’t you?
            Show me where I have ever apologized for slavery, Liar.

          • Vigilant

            “I have taken logic courses, Vigilant, and I have a four-year degree in Mathematics, and have been a computer programmer (both of which require intense logical reasoning) off and on throughout my career.”

            And when did you turn your back on that training (not that math and computer programming give you any advantage at all in the logic of historical debate)?

            Face it sonny, I’m smarter (by a long shot), wiser and more experienced than you will ever be. And I take my lessons from history by checking and rechecking source documents, not the word of a disgruntled character assassin. When, if ever, are you going to check those source documents bud? Afraid they might prove DiLorenzo wrong?

          • Vigilant

            “I know what apologist means, Vigilant. You are quite the Equivocater, aren’t you?
            Show me where I have ever apologized for slavery, Liar.”

            Well, there you have it: this is getting EASIER than shooting fish in a barrel. I provide the definition of “apologist” to him, which he didn’t look up, and he STILL thinks it means “apologizer.”

            Show me where I said you or DiLorenzo “apologized” for slavery, I said you were “apologists” for slavery. Then he says he knows what “apologist” means, but it’s obvious he doesn’t!

            You’re really getting shaken up now, aren’t you? Loss of powers of logic and clear thinking bothering you?

          • DaveH

            Duh, Vigilant, you still haven’t produced the evidence that I apologize for slavery. Gee, I wonder why that is?
            Seek help, Vigilant.
            And thank you for all your great advertising.
            Here they are, folks. The books that Vigilant is terrified that you might read:
            http://mises.org/store/Real-Lincoln-The-P172.aspx

          • DaveH

            And:
            http://mises.org/store/Lincoln-Unmasked-P324.aspx

            Out of respect for Bob Livinston, I am not going to respond to any more of Vigilant’s inane comments on this board.
            And I’m sorry, Bob, for helping to turn this board into the ‘DaveH/Vigilant he said she said’ board.

          • Vigilant

            “Duh, Vigilant, you still haven’t produced the evidence that I apologize for slavery. Gee, I wonder why that is?”

            Watching you self-destruct would be amusing if it weren’t so pitiful.

            How obtuse can a person be? I haven’t produced any evidence that you apologize for slavery because I NEVER SAID YOU DID! I said you were an “apologist” for slavery. How many times must I define the word “apologist” before it gets through your thick skull? IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH APOLOGY!.

            How does one conmverse with another who has but a rudimentary understanding of the English language?

          • Vigilant

            “Out of respect for Bob Livinston, I am not going to respond to any more of Vigilant’s inane comments on this board.”

            Fine by me. If you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. The truth will never set you free because you have no respect for it.

            Once again, he runs away like a scared rabbit without answering my questions.

          • libertytrain

            vigilant – I think he was man enough to agree to disagree instead of wasting more space on a no win dialog of opinions – . Your comments after his decision and why to stop, reflect who the real winner was in this debate and it wasn’t you.

          • Vigilant

            He has never agreed to disagree. I made that same offer to “agree to disagree” and let bygones be bygones THREE TIMES, and he refused to even honor my peace overtures. How many more times would you have me do that? You define a “winner” by what criteria?

            I admit my last comments were abusive and unnecessary, but I got tired of offering to make peace with no response. Trace it back: he started the insults on May 25th with the comment “Unbelievable Vigilant. That coming from the guy who went off on me because I dared to state the truth about Abraham Lincoln which offended your propagandized sensibilities.”

            “Propagandized sensibilities?” If you don’t call that an insult, then what would you call it?

            As for winners and losers, the only winner in any argument is the truth. What I provided was the truth, and anyone at any time is free to challenge my assertions based on actual source documents of the day, or to make corrections if I am wrong. I have never tenaciously defended a point for which I was proven conclusively wrong.

          • DaveH

            By the way, Mr. Vocabulary, from the Random House College Dictionary:
            apologist 1. a person who makes an apology or defense in speech or writing.
            Not that it had anything to do with my request for you to provide proof that I, or DiLorenzo, was a slavery apologist.
            You’re a liar and a slanderer, Vigilant.
            Seek help.

        • DaveH

          By the way, the fact that you follow me around like a troll on this issue, and have been for many weeks, provides pretty good evidence that people might hold a grudge for 100 years after being terribly wronged for 6 years.

          • JUKEBOX

            I wonder if Vigilant was ever taught that it was NORTHERN legislators that passed the 3/5 rule for black voters.

          • Vigilant

            “By the way, the fact that you follow me around like a troll on this issue, and have been for many weeks, provides pretty good evidence that people might hold a grudge for 100 years after being terribly wronged for 6 years.”

            Yes, and that grudge by the disaffected justifies the lynchings and the denial of civil rights? You’re certifiable!

            Here we have the pot calling the kettle black. THREE TIMES I extended the olive branch on this issue, even apologizing for any insults I made, and you refused to even acknowledge the offers. Now THAT’S what I call a grudge! I also charge you with being a very petty, self-centered person for acting the way you did on that issue. And as far as insults, the gloves are off now, buddy. You had your chances.

            If I follow you around, it’s because you are spreading lies and half-truths about Lincoln and the Civil War. I won’t let you kill the reputation of one of America’s greatest presidents. You are aiding and abetting the leftists in doing so.

            You knew little to nothing about Lincoln until Chip Wood published his PLD article, “Abraham Lincoln, Political Tyrant” on February 11th. I say you knew little about Lincoln because your posted comments on that article hardly address the issue.

            What you DID do was purchase the two Lincoln books by Thomas DiLorenzo, read them, and that suddenly became your definitive, authoritative and virtually total “knowledge” about Lincoln.

            Ever since that time, you’ve become relentless, at every opportunity, in putting down Abraham Lincoln. I have taken it as my job to contradict the lies, half-truths, out-of-context statements and innuendoes you have spread about this great leader. I have done it with reference to the indisputable evidence from the source documents of the time, which you ignore at your intellectual peril.

          • Vigilant

            “I wonder if Vigilant was ever taught that it was NORTHERN legislators that passed the 3/5 rule for black voters.”

            JUKEBOX, check your history books.

            (1) It was not passed by legislators because there were no legislators to do so. It was a compromise reached by the Founders during the writing of the Constitution.

            (2) It had nothing to do with black voters because slaves were not allowed to vote, period.

            (3) It was an anti-slavery, not pro-slavery move, among other things. Even Frederick Douglass came to an understanding of it after studying the issue.

            (4) The South made sure that the slaves were legally considered “property,” not persons. Then, they insisted that when it came to congressional representation, the slaves should be counted in the census figures. Northern Founders said, “no, you can’t have it both ways; either they are property or they are people with a right to provide input to their representatives.” They settled on representation numbers for 3/5 of the slave population.

            The Constitution never would have been ratified if the Compromise had not been effected. It was very far from perfect, and became part of the “unsettled business” that eventually provoked a civil war.

            The result was one of the greatest frauds ever perpetrated on the American people. The South was able to artificially increase their number of representatives in Congress in order to maintain a power base to continue denying freedom to millions of slaves who had no right to vote.

          • DaveH

            Wow, you’ve extended the Olive Branch 3 times. Yet you attack me personally, in an unprovoked manner constantly. And you call mine and DiLorenzo’s statements Lies, when in fact everything we have said is well-documented. You disparage me, you disparage DiLorenzo, and you go off on completely tangential long-winded arguments, as though the amount of verbage you use somehow makes you correct.
            The truth is, the fact that you repeatedly talk about your efforts to extend the “olive branch”, and then launch vicious personal attacks including putting words in my mouth (and DiLorenzo), makes me wonder if you aren’t in need of mental help.
            Seek help, Vigilant.

          • Vigilant

            “The truth is, the fact that you repeatedly talk about your efforts to extend the “olive branch”, and then launch vicious personal attacks including putting words in my mouth (and DiLorenzo), makes me wonder if you aren’t in need of mental help.”

            I held my acerbic tongue until you spurned the peacemaking efforts on my part THREE TIMES. As I said, NOW the gloves are off and you shall suffer the slings and arrows of the outrageous and plain truth about yourself.

            You brought it on yourself. Willing to tell us all why you rejected my efforts on three occasions, or will you once again run away like a scared rabbit and not repond?

          • Vigilant

            He’s never answered that question and it’s doubtful he ever will. It would be too shaming for him to do so.

            Fine, I retire from the battlefield once more, secure in my knowledge that I’ve bested him again. Score: Vigilant: about 200, DaveH: zero.

          • libertytrain

            vigilant you do look like the one who is doing the following around. Let it go.

          • Vigilant

            libertytrain,

            I don’t know about you, but when I see a true American hero put down on the basis of someone’s opinion or agenda, rather than on hard facts and contemporary sources, it pisses me off.

            I don’t “follow him around” to argue with him. I regularly check the subjects on this forum which have an interest for me. What I find is that, again and again, he finds any opportunity to insert this drivel about Lincoln. He has even posted a link that was derogatory of George Washington. It is his agenda, and yes, I’ll catch him and call him out on it every time I see it.

        • DaveH
          • Vigilant

            No, it’s for people who will swallow anything without checking the source documents of the time. DiLorenzo is a fraud.

          • DaveH

            You’re a fraud, Vigilant, and a mental bully.
            Anybody who has read enough of your comments can figure out that you have an axe to grind for one reason or another.

          • Vigilant

            Oh, I most certainly have an axe to grind: the preservation of some sense of dignity and honor surrounding our American heroes, something you and your fellow leftists are intent on destroying.

            DaveH: unpatriotic, atheist, character assassinator of Washington and Lincoln, dismissive of the Pledge of Allegiance, and unwilling to accept (or even research) the facts of history.

            Vigilant: patriot, believer in God, one who loves his country, the flag and the Pledge of Allegiance. And one who doesn’t worship our heroes, but knows they were imperfect yet acted in the best interests of our country, and doesn’t condemn them as demons or evil people.

            Dave, no leader in history was perfect. Our leaders can’t be painted as caricatures of pure goodness or pure evil. Anyone who believes that (you and DiLorenzo) needs to get away from their tunnel vision and start actually investigating history. The depth of my understanding about Lincoln and the Civil War is ten times greater than yours. My researches never lead to the superficial and biased view of things that you hold.

          • DaveH

            Seek help.

          • Al Sieber

            Well DaveH, I’ve been reading your posts, and going to your links for way over a year and found them to be truthful and informative, and a great education for me, thank you.

      • JCarrollBarnhill

        TIME has it riight. I am an ultra conservative from the deep SOUTH. Born bred and raised here for 78 years. Us Good Ol Crackers always knew and said , ‘Most all the black/colored/negroes are good people’. Just leave them alone and they are smart enough to raise their kids to be good people, educated, honest and hard working. That spells success. They have had too many self serving trouble makers over the years promising a free ride. Just leave’em alone and the majority are good people and will straighten it out. They will pray to our Good Lord in Heaven and kick the imposter/fraud out.

      • http://usintel.net Bill from Laos

        As a former NYC school teacher, you’re right on target, TIME. I couldn’t
        stand the politics and the reverse racism of the militant, affirmative
        action black teachers & administrators. This group is happy to just
        pass along and graduate kids without meeting any standards. They are
        guilty of black against black discrimination, and they’re selling their
        own (black) kids short. This group needs to go – let them work for Obama
        or ACORN. I had an excellent relationship with my students, and many
        were hungry for knowledge about running one’s own business – which the
        government schools don’t provide. The kids are hungry for real knowledge
        and skills they can use to work & grow. When our schools begin to teach,
        and incorporate standards again, our youth will respond favorably. This is
        what those parents are riled up about – great for them. By the way, I’m a
        Caucasian who worked with some fine black people in the schools, and
        served with many of the brothers in the Marine Corps during the Vietnam
        era.

        • bb

          You mean those “brothers” who spent three hours “dapping”? Got profiles not to shave. Grew their wool into “afros” way beyond military regulations. Those “brothers” who hollered, “White Man’s War” and refused to fight. Those “brothers”, who at every opportuinity shirked thier duties, while “Dapping”? Those “brothers” who ganged up on lone Whites. Those brothers who fragged white bars. Those “brothers” who continually refused to follow orders? You must have been in a different Vietnam. But to tell you the truth, I think that you are simply full of Crap.

          • http://gunner689 gunner689

            I was in the Marines from 66 to 73 with tours in Nam from 66 to 67 and 71. When I went in in 66 everyone was one color; Marine Corps Green and everyone was treated the same and got along reasonably well. When the civil rights movement and MLK was shot everything changed. It was exactly like you described. There were actual race riots and murders on many of the bases. I, as a sgt., got in trouble because I dared tell a black pvt. to help clean up the barracks when he was on the duty section. The brass didn’t or couldn’t deal with the problem and it existed until I got out. On my second enlistment I transferred from the grunts to the airwing. You had to have a higher IQ (GCT) score to be in the wing so almost all personell were white with a few exceptions. Life became a lot more tolerable. Those situations caused a lot of fine NCO’s and Officers to get out of the military.

      • Dons621

        California schools are not much better than any where else, in 1956 I sent my oldest son to kindergaden, I had taught him how to read at the breakfast table reading the cereal boxes and he was the only child in the class that could do multiplication tabels. My second son follow the nexxt year. My 1st son kept the school from burning down as opposed to destroying it like many others have tried. YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW!!!! If your child cant be taugt at school TEACH THEM YOUR SELF.

        • Jana

          AMEN!!!

    • http://socialistyahooooooooo mike arnold

      yes,yes,and yes

    • JUKEBOX

      MLK, if he were alive today, probably would not agree with Obama. By the way, if you go back to the thirties and forties, there was no place for blacks in the Democrat Party, and most voted Republican.

      • babybikerbabe

        The Republican Party was FOUNDED to end slavery. Go to: http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/republican-party-founded

        I find it fascinating that so many people of color have abandoned the party that actual has their best interest at heart in exchange for the one that turns them into dependents (slave-like, just a different name).

        Once you get a handout (instead of a hand up), you grow to expect that as your right. Yep, the Democrats have people EXACTLY where they want them, under their collective thumbs.

        • JUKEBOX

          Lyndon Johnson bragged that when he was through with blacks, they wouldn’t vote for another Republican for 100 years,except he said it in a cruder, more insensitive manner.

        • skippy

          well said babe!!! i hope the majority have had their ‘wake up call’ and think before voting in 2012!!!

        • DaveH

          The Republican Party was NOT founded to end slavery. Yes, there were abolitionists in the party but they were a small minority. The Republican Party was formed by former Whigs who advocated corporate welfare through subsidies and tariffs, a central bank to finance those subsidies, and empire building. They also advocated a much stronger Federal Government which would greatly diminish the power which the seperate states had previously had under the Constitution.
          Their strong stand against slavery was merely a ploy to aid in the North’s victory over the South and didn’t come into play until about 2 years into the War against Southern Independence (Civil War). In 1863, Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation which curiously didn’t include the Slave states who were fighting on the side of the North:
          http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/featured_documents/emancipation_proclamation/

          • Vigilant

            DaveH would do well to read some real history instead of relying on the only two books he’s read about Lincoln, written by a propagandaist and charlatan who’s not even an historian.

            From http://www.socastee.com/politics/history_gop.html

            “The Republican party grew out of the conflicts regarding the expansion of slavery into the new Western territories. The stimulus for its founding was provided by the passage of the Kansas-Nebraska Act of 1854. That law repealed earlier compromises that had excluded slavery from the territories. The passage of this act served as the unifying agent for abolitionists and split the Democrats and the Whig party. “Anti-Nebraska” protest meetings spread rapidly through the country. Two such meetings were held in Ripon, Wis., on Feb. 28 and Mar. 20, 1854, and were attended by a group of abolitionist Free Soilers, Democrats, and Whigs. They decided to call themselves Republicans-because they professed to be political descendants of Thomas Jefferson’s Democratic-Republican party. The name was formally adopted by a state convention held in Jackson, Mich., on July 6, 1854.”

            From Wikipedia: “Founded in Northern States in 1855 by anti-slavery activists, modernizers, ex-Whigs and ex-Free Soilers, the Republican Party quickly became the principal opposition to the dominant Democratic Party and the briefly popular Know Nothing Party.’

            “Early Republican ideology was reflected in the 1856 slogan “free labor, free land, free men.” “Free labor” referred to the Republican opposition to slave labor and belief in independent artisans and businessmen. “Free land” referred to Republican opposition to plantation system whereby the rich could buy up all the good farm land and work it with slaves, leaving the yeoman independent farmers the leftovers. The Party had the goal of containing the expansion of slavery, which would cause the collapse of the Slave Power and the expansion of freedom. Lincoln, representing the fast-growing western states, won the Republican nomination in 1860 and subsequently won the presidency. The party took on the mission of saving the Union and destroying slavery during the American Civil War and over Reconstruction.”

            DaveH would have you ignore the fact that just days before he was assassinated (and because of that speech), Lincoln advocated full citizenship with voting rights for the freed slaves. Neither the 13th Amendment (which came out of the Emancipation Proclamation) nor the referenced speech were done during the war for miltary reasons, they were done after the war to abolish the execrable practice of slavery, and to fulfill the promises of the Declaration of Independence.

          • Vigilant

            DaveH doesn’t lie when he says, “In 1863, Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation which curiously didn’t include the Slave states who were fighting on the side of the North.”

            What he “curiously” leaves out is that the Lincoln endorsed and oversaw the passage of the 13th Amendment in both houses of Congress, which was done AFTER the war and was applicable to ALL states, North, South, East and West.

          • DaveH

            Oh, sure, the passage of the 13th proves it — NOT.
            What else would lying politicians do after launching a war which resulted in the deaths of 600,000 people, and over 5000 civilians (of all ages and sexes and races) thanks to the vicious destruction of whole cities by the North at a time when most of the world agreed not to involve civilians in war actions?
            The fact of the matter is that after 2 years of war, Lincoln issued a proclamation to free slaves in another country (the Confederacy) while there were still slaves in the Union. Curious, isn’t it? A man who is killing hundreds of thousands of people supposedly over the slavery issue, but he hasn’t yet ended slavery in his own country.
            You can huff and puff all you want, Vigilant, but people with a brain can figure out that Lincoln’s war wasn’t to end slavery, rather it was to consolidate his power.
            As Wikipedia says
            “President Lincoln was concerned that the Emancipation Proclamation, which outlawed slavery in the ten Confederate states still in rebellion in 1863, would be seen as a temporary war measure, since it was based on his war powers and did not abolish slavery in the border states.” Of course they left out the fact that he didn’t abolish slavery in his own country at that time.

          • Vigilant

            “…but people with a brain can figure out that Lincoln’s war wasn’t to end slavery, rather it was to consolidate his power.

            As Wikipedia says
            “President Lincoln was concerned that the Emancipation Proclamation, which outlawed slavery in the ten Confederate states still in rebellion in 1863, would be seen as a temporary war measure, since it was based on his war powers and did not abolish slavery in the border states.” Of course they left out the fact that he didn’t abolish slavery in his own country at that time.”

            Thanks for PROVING my point! There’s hope for you yet!

            The Wikipedia excerpt is correct. The 13th Amendment abolished slavery in ALL states. It not only expanded on the states covered, it made the abolishment of slavery universal.

            No one ever claimed that Lincoln fought the war to free the slaves. He fought it to preserve the Union. But once the war was approaching an end, he wanted universal suffrage to be extended to all the freed slaves. In other words, he placed the slavery issue on the front burner AFTER the war, once the Union was secured.

            You’ll have to explain, and explain well, how Lincoln’s move to free ALL the slaves with a Constitutional amendment served to increase his powers. …That’s what I thought. You have no answer for it.

          • Dan az

            Vigilant Hardly
            you are more of a narcissist than obumer,Give it a break its really getting old .You sound everyday more like the plant Jesse Lee!I’m tried of it and I’m sure everyone else here is too.Enough is Enough!

          • Al Sieber

            Thanks Dan az for bringing that up, maybe he is a plant, or someone who always has to be right. Happy Fathers Day everyone.

        • Bert Cundle

          Wow… You got so much growing up to do… If Slavery was Stopped — Why are so many wanting Jobs? The Differance between Jobs in the old south, & Today is the Amount of Pay!!! But EXPENSES Are increesed till pay is gone! Meaning… Worked for nothing more than Room & Board anyhow!

      • element man

        I completely disagree with your supposition. Martin Luther King, Jr. was specifically chosen by the Establishment to be the “leader” of the “civil rights movement”, principally for several reasons:
        1. He was a dedicated socialist who would promote bigger government as the solution to any problem in society.
        2. He was an excellent emotional speaker.
        3. He had enough “baggage” (plagarism, etc.) in his background to assure that he would follow orders rather than going off on his own tangent.
        4. He was clever at promoting violence while appearing to actually be opposing it.
        5. He was good at getting people angry about individual discrimination while being selective about institutional racism and completely approving governmental racism by the federal government.
        6. He promoted the communist principle that people whould have rights doled out to them by government based on class rather than individuality.
        7. He promoted the communist principle that government grants rights, rather than that rights naturally exist or are created by God.
        8. He promoted a one-world government run by the United Nations.
        9. And much more.

        So it seems to me that he would agree with Obama on just about everything.

        In the 1950′s and early 1960′s there were many true civil rights leaders and champions who were promoting racial equality in an American way — respect for the rights of individuals and complete “color-blindness” by government. These true patriots of all colors and races were almost totally ignored by the Establishment Media because their solutions did not advance the socialist agenda. If these patriots had been recognized as the leaders in the fight for racial equality, we would not have the racist government that we have today (“affirmative action”, federal census, “identification” by race. etc.).

        • Buddy

          Well put Element Man. Thank you for having the intellectual honesty and the rather large cojones to make such a post. Now get ready for the probably barrage of mud slinging, name calling and charges of racism people will be throwing at you.

          In fact MLK was simply a plagiarizing drunk & communist rebel-rouser. He was a classic proto-typical model of the current day BHO. And yet, curiously, most of the ignorant masses today hold this low-life in high regard. (Glenn Beck gets a big black mark from me on this one). Did he do any good deeds? Sure. But those few things were more than offset by the damaged his twisted communist-religious based theology caused.

          The passage of time combined with government & NAACP propaganda has turned yet another ordinary power-grabbing potential tyrant into someone the masses now admire – amazing.

          • karolyn

            Precisely what damage did MLK do?

          • Buddy

            Sorry Karolyn, and with all due respect, your question does not (IMHO) deserve a response. If you do not understand the point I made, NOTHING I can say will enlighten you.

            Best Regards

          • Deasha

            I agree with Carol. MLK was pastor of Ebenezer Baptist Church. Are baptist considered communist? He promoted non-violence. Is that a bad thing? The one thing wrong with discussion boards is that people can make ridiculous accusations with no consequence.

          • DaveH

            MLK said he dreamed of a color-blind society. But how can we achieve that if the Government is constantly in our face reminding us that we are different with special protections for minorities?
            The Chinese were discriminated against when they first came to America. So were the Germans, Italians, and Irish. They went with the flow (mostly) and blended in eventually. I believe the same would have been true for the Blacks if not for the meddling of Government.
            As evidence for that, look at how the Black athletes are revered by both Blacks and Whites. Without Big Government creating animosity by favoring certain minorities, and with some reasoned education, people would have mostly gotten over their prejudices towards blacks by now.

          • Pete

            Buddy usually when someone resorts to that sort of rebuttal that means that someone does indeed not have a leg to stand on. Now unless you have some sort of proof to back your statements I for one say that you are full of it.

        • valerie

          I believe element man is correct here and I’ve heard this when growning up in the early 60′s. Black Americans although did listen and follow MLK, but, there were others (names escape me now but could be reserached) that many of the older folks talked of and trusted even more so. Yes they were more obscure, but, known to those who paid attention.

        • http://ricks-constitutionofourforefathers.blogspot.com/ Rick

          I am a historian and am quite familiar with Martin Luther King’s history. I am also familiar with where your post comes from, and it is mostly hogwash! Bring up some facts, or go back to your radical friends. I am also surprised at how many posts agree with you. It is obvious they have no true knowledge of King’s background.

          • element man

            Are you really a historian? Doris Kearns Goodwin claimed to be a historian too. Read her book about Linclon which was glamorized and promoted by the Establishment Media. Then compare it to the recent popular book about Lincoln that many commenters on this site talk about. You will be readily able to see what a puff piece of propaganda she presented to the “intellectual community” (yourself included?). Ted Williams hated Communists because one of the North Korean Communists shot and damaged his plane in the Korean War and he had to make a dangerous crash-landing. When Doris Kearns Goodwin wanted to interview him for a “public television documentary”, he refused because he said that he didn’t “talk to Communists”. Ted was honest while the prostitute press was not. The same situation exists with Martin Luther King, Jr. He was a socialist who had no respect for individual rights unless they promoted his agenda. He advocated higher taxes. He advocated more government control over all aspects of society. He believed that people should be forced to approve of his ideas. He was a racist because he believed that the government should grant rights to people according to racial realities. He felt that people living today should pay for the sins of their ancestors even if their individual ancestors committed no sins, simply because of their race. He felt that govenment jobs (fireman, etc) should be awarded based on race to make up for “past sins”. (For any readers out there who don’t understand “affirmative action”, it is simply racism by the government. Any legislator who voted for or supported “affirmative action” programs is by definition a racist. Don’t ever let them excape that reality.) King also believed that it was the government’s job to use the Census to tally racial statistics so that they could be used for social engineering. He only wanted state governments to be “colorblind” with regard to segregation (I think just about all good people, myself included, agree that ridding the country of segregation by state governments and the military was good, but there were many decent “civil rights” leaders out there who were promoting that without needing King and promoting loss of liberty by government expansion). Today, King would not object to the racist questions of the 2010 Federal Census form. He would be in favor of “affirmative action” laws and the favoritism based on race that a colorblind society and government should not condone. He would be in favor of tax increases so that the elitists in power could do what they think is good for us even if we don’t want it. He would support making the United Nations more intrusive into our lives. I would love to see how he would handle the abortion question (not an issue in his time). Actually, I know the answer to that one – he would do what his bosses told him to do.

          • karolyn

            element man – It must be nice to have a crystal ball to know what views someone would have in this day and age based on your perceptions (gotten from the perceptions of others) of that person of so many years ago. It is so sad that so many love to take away the victories and reputations of those who have come before and fought (and given their lives)for what they believed.

          • DaveH

            You can have my victories and my reputation, Karolyn. Just give me back the money that your people stole from me.

          • Dan az

            Dave :)

        • Void1972

          Martin Luther king was a man of extremely low moral standing and a known Communist. He was a very well spoken anti-American like our current President. Both men of equal convictions.

        • TIME

          EM,

          I can’t say 100% what Dr King felt in his heart other than what I have seen written within “his heartfelt papers, and speaches.” Of what nothing matches up to be congruent with what you have posted.
          I can’t say that what I have seen of Dr NLK is a 180* of what you posted.
          I freely admit I never met the Man in person but I have met a few who knew him quite well they are all GOOD people not a single marxist in the crew.

          I have met his niece Dr. Alveda King, she is as sweet and good natured of a person as anyone can ever hope to be. She is honest as well a true asset to this nation.
          She is not a marxist. Thus I find it very hard to fathom that Dr MLK was a Marxist as she teaches the same messages as her Uncle did.

          Again I have looked over a many of his of speaches and papers and other than his being a God Fearing man who preched Love and understanding I find most of your post rather off putting to be nice about it.
          So I ask where is it that you found intel that he was a Marxist.

          • element man

            Have you ever heard of the “Million Man March”? Although the Establishment Media promoted it as an event opposed to racism and poverty, it was just the opposite. Its goal was to promote socialism as the solution to all problems in society. Big government was to be the answer to eliminating poverty. “Affirmative action” (governmental racism) was to be the method for eliminating discrimination. The event was organized by socialists and promoted by gushing “liberals”. Martin Luther King was a centerpiece of the event. Everything he did to “oppose” racial discrimation was based on the premise that the government should have total authority over all individuals.

            Your experience does confirm reliable reports that Alveda King is a decent person. I believe that we can assume that her intentions are sincere. That does not mean that she fully understands the nature of freedom and government, however. There are many well-intentioned people who are misguided as to the mechanisms needed to restore freedom and prosperity. And there are plenty of evil people out there who continue to work very hard at misleading the public.

      • Vagabond

        Jukebox if Martin Luther were alive and well today the naacp would not be as it is today. it is a much different organisation now than what it was when Dr. King was there.Dr. King was a good and respectable Man. who only asked for equil rights which all people are entitled to,

    • Dr. smith

      well Ron, the fact is, 90% of blacks still support Obumer, yet you don’t hear about that. Yet if your white and you talk negatively about O’s policies, well, hell, your racist. Obumer can’t lose. now, knowing that 90% of blacks support this marxist, who’s the real racists?

      • GLM

        Dr. Smith,
        I assume you also know that blacks make up 12-13% of the population?? Hispanics in this country are offended by same sex marriages, abortion and believe it or not, illegal immigration. They are also unemployed…as are whites in this country. We got rid of slavery in this country many, many years ago. Our forefathers fought for your freedom. I am sick of hearing about it!

        • http://WeThePeople Jean

          Sorry – but it is the same right now as it was then – it was not about salvery – it was about STATES RIGHTS

          • Waldomountainman

            Jean
            How do you figure it was all about state rights? How does the state have the right to claim ownership of another human being? You truly sound as if you are a card carrying member of the KKK, and guess what I am white.

    • DaveH

      Ron says “Or do you think all blacks that voted in 2008 voted for the president because he was also black?”.
      No, Ron, just 96% of them. From CNN (a Left-Leaning news outlet):
      “Blacks, 96 percent Obama to 3 percent McCain”
      http://articles.cnn.com/2008-11-04/politics/exit.polls_1_exit-polls-obama-camp-john-mccain?_s=PM:POLITICS

      Do you live in a bubble?

    • Vigilant

      ron,

      To answer your questions:

      (1) “Chip, why was this a black issue?” Duh, because it occurred in Harlem, dealt with black protestors and the NAACP.

      (2) “Do they not have white teachers in the New York City Public School system?” Duh, yes they do, but they weren’t the ones protesting.

      (3) “Why is it surprising that blacks are upset with the NAACP?” Duh, it wouldn’t be newsworthy otherwise.

      (4) “Do you not think black are capable of independent thinking?” Duh, if he thought that, he wouldn’t be lauding their praiseworthy actions, would he?

      (5) “Or do you think all blacks that voted in 2008 voted for the president because he was also black?” Duh, 95% voted for him. You’re really dense if you can’t put two and two together on this one.

      (6) “You may not believe this either, but there were some blacks who did not agree with MLK.” Duh, be assured, we believe it. We’ve heard of black power, black nationalism and black separatism, the Black Panthers, Nation of Islam, and we were aware of Louis Farrakhan, Malcolm X, Stokely Carmichael, Bobby Seale, and others.

      • Cawmun Cents

        You forgot the most important two.The Brown bruthas,James and Jim.-CC.

    • DENNIS

      PERHAPS YOUR MEMORY IS WEAK,,, REMEMBER THE BLACK PANTHERS KEEPING WHITES FROM VOTING AND NOTHING BEING DONE ABOUT IT?? I AM WHITE, AND I WOULD NOT TREAD NEAR A LARGE GROUP OF BLACKS, ON MY SIDE OR NOT, AS THEY CAN STOMP YOUR FACE IN AND NOTHING WOULD EVER BE DONE ABOUT IT… WE IS HONKYS TO THEM AND IT DOES NOT MATTER IF YOU ARE PROTESTING ON THEIR SIDE OR NOT….

    • JoMama

      Oh, Ron – what the hell is wrong with you??
      THE RACE CARD IS MAXXED OUT!! I hope you know that this article had NOTHING to do with race & all to do with EDUCATION!!
      Everybody -
      Don’t you get really pissed when the ‘real racists’ do that???

      • Vigilant

        I used to get pissed, but it’s been used so many times, for unrelated reasons, that it is no longer effective. It’s now generally recognized as a ploy to stop the conversation when the person who plays the card has no factual, substantive response to make.

        And they are too dumb to realize that, as you say, it’s maxxed out.

    • jibbs

      SO, whats your point? Your words are “empty” and say nothing. Did you attend public school, or are you stupid by nature?

      • skippy

        hahahahhahahaaa!!!

    • Loyd Smith

      I wouldn’t exactly call it a “black” issue although the NAACP doesn’t ordinarily concern itself with non-black issues. As for SS McDonald’s post about, “Leftist Agitators,” – the only, “leftists,” involved in this situation would be those in favour of continuing to kowtow to the teacher’s unions and ineffectual government schools and this appears to be the position of the NAACP. The fact that parents (of whatever racial background) are beginning to realise that their children are being, “educated,” to fail in the, “Public,” school systems is immensely encouraging to me. More people seem to be awake or at least waking up to the monumental failure that is our government controlled, “Public,” school systems now than in any time in my (60, plus, years) memory.

      This protest against the progressive/socialist propaganda factories that our, “Public,” school systems have become may fail but – HOPEFULLY the idea that REAL education is important will succeed sooner or later.

    • Sue

      Didn’t I hear that 97% of all blacks voted for Barack Obama? That’s a bit of the reason one might be somewhat surprised that these blacks are protesting here. BUT, other than that dismal record, there are thinking blacks who know that taking away vouchers or protecting failing school policies are not good for their children. For the NAACP (or the AARP for that matter) siding with a union over the interests of their supposed constituents is not surprising. The organization is of paramount importance.

    • Ellen

      Ron, 90%of blacks voted for Obama. I think it’s safe to say it’s because he is black. Black parents prefer black teachers for their children. You can verify that with any white teacher that was placed in an inner city school. Perhaps they are racist or perhaps they just feel more comfortable with having black teachers. I’m glad to see that they are finally standing up and fighting for a better education for their children. Valuing education begins in the home. Inner city schools have the highest per student costs and the worst test scores and graduation rates. Parents and teachers are responsible for this.

    • Void1972

      Ron
      97% of Blacks voted for Obama. That pretty much sums up your question.

    • sid

      over 80% voted for him, and most, because he was half-black!!! i bet the numbers will be less, next year, and continue to drop. there are many black people who don’t use a crutch, and will work for what they want!!! “GOD BLESS THE USA”!!!

  • http://www.TransformU.com Lee J

    Here in Florida we have something called a “public conversion charter” which is a hybrid between a public school and a charter school. They still answer to the school district but have tremendous autonomy. They establish a local “board of directors” who guide the school, hire a chief executive (principal) who is also responsible for the business operations. They are able to go outside the district to establish relationships with vendors, usually at a greater savings than what the district can offer them. These schools are performing consistently at “A” levels, usually run “in the black financially” (not a racist comment) and the teachers are not, and do not, want to join the union. It is a model which works well for us in our county. Several of them are located in what we would consider to be poor neighborhoods and still out perform their peers.

    • Rich

      Lee J
      I curious about the school system you described. It sounds like a much better system. How do they handle teacher’s pay in terms of 1. do they have a pay scale similar to the public schools and 2. have they incorporated accountability into the system to reward the best teachers? Where can I get more information?

  • Susan

    While I agree that it’s great to work for “positive changes in our schools,” “ending monopolies,” and “opening up education to competition,” it may come too late for your own children. So, in the meantime, pull YOUR children out of failing schools and homeschool them yourself. We did this 20 years ago, and have never looked back. We just graduated our second child from Homeschool High School and have two more to go. The eldest child is now 26, with a college degree & has been married for five years. See, homeschoolers do go on to lead normal lives!

  • Maryette

    White people have to realize something, WE ARE NOT “ONE”!!!! We are as diverse and different as whites, asians, latinos or any other race. Every black person does not love O’Bama, and I for one think the NAACP has outlived its usefulness. Hell, I want my child to be educated in the best schools by the best teachers with the best equipment available, and I want these teachers to be tested on their ability to teach, on their knowledge. Here in Arkansas I was a little girl of grade school when the desegration situation started here and as last month (I am 53 now), they just got around to trying to end that funding and do you know “some” people around Little Rock still think that its needed, come on now!

    • Hugh

      The NAACP was founded by a group of white men dedicated to helping blacks. The group has been steadily taken over by radical blacks.

      Booker T. Washington said this in about 1911:
      “There is a class of colored people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs. There is a certain class of race-problem solvers who don’t want the patient to get well.”

      • JUKEBOX

        I invite anyone to look at the financial disparity between Black actors and sports stars, and the ghetto dwellers.

      • Wyrdwolf

        Hugh you are right there are so many groups that may have started out with good intentions but later became corrupt just to keep their High Paying Positions. The Unions and Hoffa showed us that Corruption can destroy a good thing. So did the FDA, The American Cancer Society, and others that there are just too many too list.
        The Powers That Be want us divided so we the people can be spoon fed all the propaganda they can dish out. So if you follow the money you can find out just how corrupt their propaganda can be.

      • Void1972

        Hugh
        The NAACP was started by Jewish Communist, as was the ACLU, Unions, NOW, and every other anti-American organization. Do your homework.

        • Al Sieber

          Thanks for bringing that up Void.

      • Void1972

        Hugh
        The NAACP was started by the “White” Communist, as was the ACLU, Unions, NOW, and every other anti-American organization. Do your homework. The Facts are so insane and so well denied that it’s hard to believe, but the truth is the truth, no matter how hard the left tries to change history. What is done in the dark, always comes to light.

    • JUKEBOX

      I remember when integration of schools began in the fifties and sixties. At that time, the quality of segregated black school teachers was far superior than it is today. The teachers back then had a genuine interest in “TEACHING”, and worked harder to educate themselves. Between unionization of teachers and Equal Opportunity laws, the teachers have managed to hold onto their jobs regardless of how poor quality or lazy they are. The billions of dollars the government has dumped into the system has exacerbated the situation.

      • mickey

        You are so right. I chose a black college to attend because it had a better level of learrning that I could not get in a state supported school.

        There are some very good inventors from the old South that just happened to be black. There were some excellent black businesses in my town that disappeared with all the “rights”. The NAACP did more harm to young kids than it helped.

        • JUKEBOX

          Booker T. Washington, George Washington Carver, and W. C. Handy were Republicans.

    • DaveH

      Thank you for your input, Maryette. Most of us know that all Blacks are not alike. I believe that Blacks have been used by Government Leaders to increase their (Govs) power and perks for at least the last 150 years. And it won’t stop until the majority of people figure out what Big Government is really all about. Hint, it isn’t about us.

  • Jody

    Hey, let’s all agree that the people of Harlem want all their teachers, whatever race they might be, to be motivated, educated, effective and have chosen their teaching career because they are gifted and skilled in this important service. Chip’s article makes no mention of filling the teaching jobs with white teachers — they want GOOD teachers, irrespective of color. I’m with the people of Harlem! Their kids deserve to be taught by exceptional teachers, as should all children. Unions have done them no favors.

  • RichardS

    Free market competition makes American great. Give parents a choice and they’ll do the right thing.

  • John

    NAACP is a racist organization , enough said

    • JUKEBOX

      I wonder what the outrage would be if we started the NATIONAL ASSOCIATION FOR THE ADVANCEMENT OF POOR WHITE PEOPLE.

      • babybikerbabe

        Check out : NAACPC – National Association for the Advancement of Conservative People of ALL Colors!!

      • skippy

        OH HELL YEA!!!

      • Wyrdwolf

        sorry Jukebox but the NAAWP was started by a white racist and has all but been laughed out of existance.

  • Gayle

    Well, finally we are hearing more and more from people who make a difference and it is about time that we and our elected officials start to pay attention. As a lot of people have been stating it is not race but fairness and what is right. I wish the people in Harlem the best and hope they don’t give up the fight.

  • http://gmail paulrph1

    Self improvement starts at home as all good people are beginning to realize. Obama and his cronies will not fit the bill but only make it worse. I feel sorry for the children who do not have a chance but I can now see hope.

  • Sabulaman

    Our A.G. here in Missouri tried to end the deseg. bussing a few years ago, and a Federal judge blocked it. Said we were still too segregated. What a joke it all is. What a waste of money. There are numerous alternatives.

    • JUKEBOX

      I live one block from the ONLY high school in our city school system, and it is 96% black. I consider that a segregated school, and I constantly express this to the school board. We have teachers speaking EBONICS while TEACHING the students. THIS IS WRONG, WRONG, AND REALLY WRONG. You cannot teach real world assimilation by using rap lyrics and other dialectic distortions of the English language.

      • Vigilant

        “You cannot teach real world assimilation by using rap lyrics and other dialectic distortions of the English language.”

        How right you are. I was surprised that Ebonics is still being used. I thought that it had died out a number of years ago. It’s the quickest way to guarantee a failure in society. Obama would never have been elected, Frederick Douglass would have remained obscure, Thurgood Marshall and Clarence Thomas would never have reached the SCOTUS, Colin Powell would have remained an enlisted man, and Thomas Sowell would have never written a sellable book, had they spoken and written in Ebonics.

        This leads me to believe that such a method is employed specifically to PREVENT a “real world assimilation.” It doesn’t serve the purposes of the Black Liberation theologists and other promoters of civil unrest to foster harmony among the races.

    • jibbs

      Sabulaman, I’m over in Howell county near Willow Springs.

  • Bob

    It is time to put a bullet in the head of public education with its leftist/atheist agenda and overpaid, underworked, and unqualified union teacher/parasites. Then we need to give vouchers to paents to give them the opportunity to send their children to schools where God is glorified and the lies of lieberalism/atheism are not forced upon their children. The AFT and NEA will fight this because they are the chief propagandists of the leftists/atheists plus no one truly interested in education would ever hire a union teacher. If we truly value education, we must invest our dollars in education (moral and mental) rather than the indoctrination we see in the public schools today.

    • http://teamlaw.org Jazzabelle

      The problem with gov’t money is that it always comes with strings. A voucher, even if it could be used in a Christ-centered school, would put requirements on the school. In my opinion, vouchers will just make Christians “feel good” about sending their kids off to school, while (imho) most Christian schools are only marginally better than public schools. The only real option is for every parent to give their children a real life, rather than forcing them to spend their entire youths in an institution. Home-schooling is really the only path out of the “world system.”

      • Dan az

        Jazzabelle
        I agree but the problem with that is it takes two incomes to survive.So the charter schools or voucher system is all there is.

        • mickey

          Yeah, the voucher system probably has strings to it that say GAYS are the way of life. Sorry, don’t have anything against anyone that is gay naturally but I don’t like all the parades and everything going on today.

          The only way out is not to take FED money.

          And I believe there are schools, known as home schooling, that are very small and will accomodate home schooling working families.

  • http://aol.com sean murrey ILLInio

    good for them they have woke to see what obummer is not doing.

  • Disgusted

    This story is about one thing only it is just another example of unions and special interest groups out of control and in place beyond their use. Noone should be guaranteed a job for life because they belong to a union, that is a rediculous concept. These people should be ashamed of themselves.

    • Bob

      Union workers are incapable of shame because they are incapable of formulating any other value sysyem other than “more money for less work”. Union people are a clear and present danger to the USA and should be treated as such.

      • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

        Bob,
        what about Albert Einstein? He was a union man!
        http://www.wslc.org/whyjoin.htm

        • http://gunner689 gunner689

          Mensa isn’t a union.

  • http://n/a Terry

    A significant number of inner city schools were closed in Kansas City, MO without NAACP or union interference. But some parents protested the loss of neighborhood schools. These clsoing were done by a new superintendent, the upteenth, in same number of years. So far it seems to be working and is at least saving a lot of money. Not everyone is happy I suppose, but then not everone was happy when Christ walked on water. There are too many lawyers ho need to make a living filing suits against govt at all levels.

    I guess this protest shows that the black community no longer needs Jesse Jackson, et al, the NAACP, the black caucus in congress who are all dinosaurs. And others, like the KKK. This is all good for America. Maybe even unions are dinosaurs as well. We all owe unions a debt of gratitude for the ones that got their heads bashed in by Pinkerton guys as they were the catalyst for better working conditions for most of us. But, like integration itself, laws put a stop to child labor, sweat shops, etc., not closed shops. Note. This is not advocacy of bigger and bigger govt! The govt does have one big advantage to keep it from being downright obnoxious and that is separation of power into 3 branches. Separation of church and state is a separation we need, but it is the limitation of power of the govt that is great and keeps us free. The church, except islam, is not trying to take over the govt while it is lawyers who are trying to eliminate/marginalize church by law suits and who like to make a living suing those with deep pockets. Note. They file suits against school districts, etc. not against a church, but I suspect there is a lot of fertile legal ground if islam was truly evaluated as islam is both church and state. There is no separation with them! And govt money, foreign govt money is used to build mosques. If DC funded a local Baptist church the likes of ACLU would have a cow, but they are mute when it comes to islam activities.

    • Vigilant

      Words of wisdom, Terry!

  • s c

    Here’s to all ethnic groups. And MORE power to those ethnic members who “get it.” Public education – via Uncle Scam – is a monumental failure.
    Parents who don’t give a damn and haven’t yet figured out that THEY’VE BEEN HAD by Uncle Scam are a willing part of public education’s FAILURE. Herr Obummer couldn’t care less about anyone else, let alone fellow blacks.
    If that sounds strange, it’s because you don’t get it. A sad rule of life says that NO ONE can screw you over like a “friend.” Herr Obummer is too self-centered (complete with a twenty gallon head) and has already placed himself on a pedestal. Follow him to your doom, people. Blacks, in particular, BEWARE.

    • JUKEBOX

      People cannot seem to “GET IT” about Obama. If he calls himself BLACK, then he is a JIM CROW ERA black by definition, which displays his personal version of RACISM. Most public school teachers are perpetuating this racist myth by continuing to call bi-racial children BLACK. Talk about diminishing their self esteem!

      • eddie47d

        What “politically correct” and intelligent term would you call Obama for being of mixed race? One that would be acceptable to the majority of Americans,(mulatto just doesn’t work).I agree that his blackness is emphasised more than his whiteness and think it has become accepted as such.Most bi-racial people have a closer link to one side or the other and since most look black that is the side they choose. Should those school teachers in your comment consider their mixed race students black or white? That should be up to the student affected and whom he/she aligns with.Someday they and all Americans will be equal regardless of color.(in how we describe each other). The reality is still that a person who looks black is a black man and a person who looks white is a white man. Skin color is a fact and being color blind is a state of mind which we all try and achieve.

        • http://gunner689 gunner689

          Mutt, mongrel, half-breed; just to name a few. I like BO best; it’s so descriptive.

      • karolyn

        Why would being called black diminish their self-esteem?

    • Buddy

      Sir: I am recommending you for my post-of-the-year award for 2011. Nice job!

  • Dr. smith

    oh yea, one more thing Ron. You ask “Chip, why was this a black issue. Well Ron, I believe the NAACP is a black group? are there any whites in it? hello Ron?

    Can you imagine the outrage, the uproar from the race hustlers (sharptongue) if ole whitey had a group called: National Assoc. for the ADvancement of White Folk!

    The double standard is outrageous and would be unacceptable except for the fact our children have been brainwashed by MSM and public education!

    • JUKEBOX

      Doc, if you look real close, you will find that many of the NAACP leaders, including DuBois thir founder, are about as white as Obama. That is why they call themselves COLORED, because few of them are 100% BLACK.

    • Vagabond

      Dr. Smith. you seem to have forgotten al gore and bill clinton and how proud they were to be card carrying members of the naacp,

      • independant thinker

        Don’t know about Al Bore but Bills and Hills membership is purely political.

        • eddie47d

          Many blacks considered Bill our first black President so there is no surprise that he would have a membership in the NAACP. So what,I had a membership in the NAACP 35 years ago and they still send me notices to re-activate my dues. I think they served a purpose for many years but seem to be stuck in the past and need to re-tool or disband. I don’t agree with some of you who say that Harlem teachers are bad apples for they do have a daunting task at hand. That is the same for any inner city school in most cities. We have school choice in our state and no matter where you live you can take your child to different counties if you like. The dropout rate is still high in Colorado and that is mostly due to the lack of parental involvement rather than teachers. The NAACP should take a neutral stance in Harlem and support what is best for the students. They can do this without abandoning those good teachers in the public school system for they are out there. They also need to encourage new ideas and stop hanging onto programs or curriculum that doesn’t work.

          • JeffH

            “Many blacks considered Bill our first black President…”
            I find it rather interesting that you would say that. I’ve raed about it but none of my black freinds agree that blacks say it or brlieve it. It was Toni Morrison who invented the notion that Bill Clinton was “the first black president.” The term came from Morrison writing in the New Yorker in 1998 during the Clinton impeachment crisis. Morrison herself noted how “virtually all the African American Clinton appointees began, one by one, to disappear,” but neglected in 1998 to mention how Clinton himself was responsible for failing to defend them.

            …considering it was Bill Clinton who told Ted Kennedy, “a few years ago, this guy would have been getting us coffee.”

            As DJH, a black man, said, “I have never in my existence heard one of us refer to him as a black president..Yes you hear it from “whites” in the media but we DO NOT consider Bill Clinton black in any way shape or form. It started as a joke but the media has run off with it as gospel truth. Stop listening to the media and actually get out and talk to black people.

  • Tsunami

    AS a Canadian I have not even seen a black person in several months.
    Plenty of Chinese and East Indians but that is it.

    All I know about the black community I got from the odd newpaper article on Jesse Jackson, Sharpton and a couple of others.

    My ignorance level on this subject was a very high level (did not know and did not care) and yes I did think that the black community were more or less united on most issues and voted mostly as a block.

    To read the posts by you folks gives me a whole new prospective and maybe I had better get off my butt and do some personal education on the subject.

    We have a Teachers Federation here that is very very active in politics, the environment, gay rights and class size. Gay activists have control of the organization and are trying desparatly to gain control of the entire educational system so we have some idea of what you are talking about.

    We have standardized tests of the children and you should here the Teachers Federation squeal over that every year and unfortunately are convincing some parents to withdraw their children from the tests. These parents are very naive and do not seem to understand the issues is political power and has nothing to do with education.

    The ethnic groups move to Canada largely for the educational system and will not tolerate substandard teaching.

    I do wish the parents (black, white, polka dot) all the best and success with whatever system they end up with.

    • mickey

      Yeah, those are the leaders that get attention world wide. Little known facts are most of these old time leaders have cess pool districts–and keep them that way.

      You don’t hear about the good kind that spend time teaching kids to advance, to know right from wrong. Jesse Jackson spends more time promoting the human traffic on our Southern border than in actually helping in his district.

      I studied in Mexico some years back and they asked why we were beating blacks all the time. Huh? Yep organizations have made “headlines” a top priority while the good people get swept up with the dust.

      You might try reading some of the books or articles that black people accomplished, every during the slave years. It is fascinating the triumphs and the wealthy class of blacks before all the “civil rights” era. I don’t want to gloss over the fact that we’ve had our share of hard times but there are many, many unspoken good times too.

  • mickey

    It’s about time someone stood up to the NAACP. The NAACP and the Black Causus still imprint on the US that blacks and whites have to be separated. We don’t.

    BTW, I thought that if a NY teacher said something racial in the classroom they got to spend their time elsewhere on full pay. NY has more problems than the NAACP.

    I’ve been acquainted with black teachers and foreign teachers that just plain overwhelm some of my white teachers. OPEN the competition and let’s get the best there is.

    One overlooked item is the person who enforces learning in the household. My mom didn’t have a HS education and by 6th grade I was beyond what she could teach me. I have a master’s degree; I taught my kids on that level.

    It took me a long time to keep up and surpass those families that already had college degree parents but they were my example.

    lol though, I consider my mom one of the smartest people I could have had for a mom. She maybe could not teach me for the classroom but she surely kept me grounded in what was right and wrong.

    I would home school, not because I know everything, but I don’t like the experimentation of vaccines on children.

    • JUKEBOX

      You overlooked the revisionist hitory that is being taught in the public indoctrination centers today. A sixth grade education in the forties is almost the equivalent of a college edcation today.

      • mickey

        You are right. I was in grade school in the 50′s. Probably today I would be in Mensus (l0l, I can only reach the 96% or 97% percentile). But it is true. Back then, the further East one went the higher level of education. I was always trying to compete with NY.

        I went to junior college in LA and I was bored. It was like my last two years in HS. By the time they caught up with new material, I lost out.

        Parents have to remember, grades are not everything. My brother nearly failed every class in HS. Barely made it through. Given two years out, he nailed college.

        My kids, actually do rate in the 99% percentile. However, their grades in school didn’t always match that. Yet, I had a classmate who should never have been able to compete in our college level classes yet aced almost every one of them.

        Children mature at different ages. Give them some room to grow the way they should. The best is to be able to work along with other co-workers.

    • Patricia

      YOU’RE SO RIGHT! TAKE OUR MISS AMERICA PAGEANT FOR INSTANCE. WE ALLOW ANY ONE OF COLOR OR ETHNICITY TO TRY FOR THE TITLE. WHAT WHITE COULD TRY FOR THE MISS “BLACK” AMERICA TITLE? AND AL SHARPTON AND THE “reverend” JACKSON SHOULD BE TARRED AND FEATHERED AND RUN OUT OF TOWN ON A RAIL. BUNCH OF RABBLE ROUSERS. THE BIBLE TELLS US TO REVERENCE ONLY ONE, AND THAT IS THE GREAT GOD JEHOVAH.

      • Moby49

        What? If you think the Miss Black AMerica pageant is wrong go start a Miss White America pageant. Nothing stopping you.

        The Miss Black America pageant was started when blacks were not allowed in the Miss America pageant. It is now an anachronism but they have 1st amendment rights and if they want to continue it, so be it.

        • Don

          Yea Right, you sound like a racist !!

        • DaveH

          There are two things stopping us from starting a “Miss White America” pageant, Moby.
          One is the fact that we aren’t racist.
          Two is the fact that the Liberal Media and many others would become absolutely unglued if it was attempted.

    • karolyn

      Mickey said: “The NAACP and the Black Causus still imprint on the US that blacks and whites have to be separated.”

      You could not tell that from the way NAACP people here talk. I attend a meeting once a month of a region community coalition that the NAACP also belongs to. I have noticed that whenever they have anything going on, they always invite everyone to join in. It seems to me that at least some chapters are going out of their way to include caucasians in their endeavors.

      • mickey

        um hmm and then you have Sherrod doing her equivalent of racial gestures on Youtube. It goes both ways.

        Until there are no groups that label themeselves by color, we won’t have groups that are integrated.

        Take a look at the Black Causus and then look to see how many are open socialists.

  • River rat

    It truly is good to see that parents of ALL ethnic background are starting to understand that the love and needs of their children should be placed above “special interest” groups. In this particular instance I am referring to the teachers union and the NAACP. I am of the opinion that the democrats and republicans are of equal evil, however this current administration is the most devastating to our nation which we have ever endured. God bless the parents that are fighting for the future of their children.

  • http://www.poorgrandchildren.com Poorgrandchildren

    Why does anyone support a socialist (government owned) public or charter school? I know it is un-American, but why not try freedom? Try vouchers.

  • Altaica

    I think the solution should be simple: if you are not decent at the job, then out the door you go. It’s a harsh reality that most of us face day to day in our own jobs. The same should be especially true of our teachers. They need to stop looking at color and start looking at performance. I don’t care what the teacher looks like, what I care about is their ability to teach our nations children. The way I look at education: In most places it is our tax money that provides the funding for teachers salaries and providing education. That makes the american public the employers. Do you want an employee on your staff that is a hindrance? The answer is no. Pay should be commensurate with the job. Teachers that do a good job, have students that learn and comprehend and retain the information should get paid more, teachers that are incapable of reaching anyone need to find a job they are better at. If public education became a competitive environment with their year’s salary on the line the teachers who care about our children will shine and those just in it for an easy job will fall by the wayside. If we want out future citizens educated and want our country to grow and remain a powerful country then we need educated people. To get that we need to do away with the old boys network of teachers in our schools and work on a system based on merit and reward. I hope that New York doesn’t back down and creates this competitive environment.

  • Elevenarrows

    I agree with Susan. We started home educating over 17 years ago when it was considered abnormal in SC and much of the nation. It was an enormous sacrifice for us then and it still is. My amazing husband works hard to allow me to stay home and teach the kids…eleven. We’ve graduated our two oldest sons–both of whom owned their own businesses by age 16. Our oldest son has two businesses and had purchased his own vehicle by age 17…and it wasn’t a clunker! I’m not saying this to “toot our horn”. I’m saying this to show that IT CAN BE DONE. Normal families with normal (or below normal) incomes can bring one parent home to teach. I know families that home educate and both parents still work jobs. I view government schools as paramount to the Hitler Youth programs. When my first child was ready for school, I just could not send him to a failed system and hope that he would weather the storm. I wanted so much more for him than a cookie-cutter result. I was scared and stressed at the thought of being solely responsible for someone’s education…it isn’t like a teacher who can pass them along to the next teacher and hopefully hide her failures…whatever education my children get is laid completely at my feet…I’m responsible. I honestly think more parents need to catch the vision of how things could be for their children if they would only stop relying on a government-handed out education. I know the financial sacrifice. I understand the fear factor. But there are millions doing it and some of the greatest people in our history were home educated. There are so many resources available now that didn’t exist when I started.

    It will be worth it all when you have countless people approach you and ask to know what sets your kids apart from the herd. Why are they so mature? Why are they so successful? Why are they so polite? Why are they able to carry on intelligent conversations with adults about almost any topic? Why are they so patriotic? We have difficulty eating a meal in a restaurant without people coming up to question us. We are not super humans. We are just like you, but we caught the vision and wanted more…Don’t you???

    • JUKEBOX

      Good education begins in a loving, caring home!

    • Dan az

      So now I get it Elevenarrows Thats quite a brood.

  • http://www.poorgrandchildren.com Poorgrandchildren

    All you fellow racists out there have a question to face. Do you despise Saint Obamao because of his white half or because of the rest of him?

    • JUKEBOX

      I despise him because of his duplicity, secrecy of his real past, his mendacity, and his extreme Socialist ideologies that are ruining our country worldwide. How about you?

      • mickey

        Although despise is rather strong, I second that thought.

      • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Liberty

        Well said Jukebox, almost without exception, all the Whities I know feel exactly as you, the color of the skin has nothing to do with the very strong disapproval of the self-serving annointed one.

        Regretably, many of the race baiters won’t except the facts you’ve stated.

        • eddie47d

          Those of you dispise him because of Constitutional errors (real and perceived) have a good point.Those who call him the chocolate President and other certain names show your true colors.Thankfully most do not and those who are calm and rational should be commended.

  • Elevenarrows

    Ron,

    Concerning the “black thing” you mentioned earlier:

    I have to wonder why the black community voted (something like 98% of them) for acting- president Obama if it was not because of his skin color. Never before has there been such an enormous turn out for an election on the part of the black community. I noticed that hardly any of the black community supported Ambassador Alan Keyes presidential bid. Of course, his policies were strictly constitutional: no handouts, no abortion, no unconstitutional programs. I think it was both about skin color and agenda for much of the black community.

    They did not like Keyes’ agenda: it was very conservative. They did like Obama’s very liberal agenda and the skin color motivated a huge voter turn out. What I would like for the black community to understand is that the roots of the Democratic Party have not been kind to the blacks. The history of that party is shocking. Has anyone heard of the KKK???! I believe that if gov’t schools still taught AMERICAN history instead of GOVERNMENT PROPAGANDA, the black community would rise up and throw off the chains of bondage the Democratic Party has wrapped around them. That party set out to enslave the black voter so he would be too dependent on the programs and handouts to ever vote independently.

    One last thing, I would LOVE for someone in the black community to explain to me why it is not offensive to them that Margaret Sanger (of Planned Parenthood) declared from the rooftops her desire to wipe out the inferior black person and her method of choice was not the gas chambers, but rather, the Planned Parenthood clinics. Of course, there is no arguing the statistics that more black babies are aborted than any other race. Sanger purposefully placed clinics in poor, black neighborhoods to make things more efficient. Yet black people continue to keep them in business…at the expense of the American taxpayer. This is a shame and a blight on America, but the black community itself will not rise up and put these people out of business. That would require black men remaining in the families to help rear black babies….that would require abandoning the Democratic platform. That would require enormous bravery and strength of character. I’ve met black men and women like that,but too many others simply can’t see past Party. The shame is on the backs of the black communities.

    • JUKEBOX

      Planned Parenthood has probably destroyed more black lives than the KKK, African Apartheid, etc. combined.

      • Dan az

        And we as tax payers are forced to concede.These laws where forced on us by know other than the democraps them selves and if that wasn’t proof positive they are slaver’s then what is.

        • skippy

          I wish you could hear me clapping my hands for that comment!!! :D

          • Dan az

            thank ya thank ya very much. :)

  • Lostwages

    I was born in 1953, my parents always told me that we are all the same, white, black, pink, or purple. In 2008 I was driving people with disabilities around Sacramento. I did come to know some of my customers due to the number of times they rode with me, many being black. I had always been around black people, but it was limited, so this job opened my eyes to the facts that they want nothing more or less then I do. They have the same dreams in life as I and most others do. A good school for their kids, a nice home, car, job, etc. I treated them with respect and I got treated with respect. Many at the time didn’t like Obama and didn’t plan on voting for him and others did. But all had their opinions and would openly talk with me about their thoughts. I was very surprise one night working in the area where the gangs hang out and stopped at a gas station for my break. One gang member came up to me and asked what I was doing there. I told him what I did and that I was on my break. He thanked me for what I was doing and told me his grandmother used the service and it was kinda cool that I was willing to work in that area. Nice guy, and that was a night I will not forget. We are all the same as my parents told me, mostly good people and a few bad people, color not withstanding! Show respect to people and you will normally get the same in return! I also handed out free bibles and knew some of the local church members, mostly from one church, mostly black. They all called me Uncle Bob, an experience I will always hold near to my heart! I hope these protesters get what they are fighting for! The more we respect one another, the less we’ll need to be writing about it! God does wonderful things!

  • Elevenarrows

    Jukebox,

    I agree, but our gov’t intends to keep on until they get the child from cradle to grave. Patriotic parents must be vigilant. A good place to start is in fighting the ratification of the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child. This UN usurpation of parental rights has had heart-breaking ramifications in European countries.

    As for a good education starting in loving homes, I agree. Many of our founders were home-educated and self-educated. Why do so many feel that they cannot abandon a sinking ship? More money, more gov’t mandates, more teacher union threats won’t change the fact that mass, gov’t education isn’t working. Parents are going to have to sacrifice or reap what they have sown when these same kids grow up to serve in gov’t. We’ve already seen the results of a lack of understanding of our own Constitution…that is directly related to students graduating without a clue about what form of gov’t we have. Many still think we have a democracy!

    • Dan az

      Elevenarrows
      You hit the nail on the head,The UN is trying to keep the children dumbed down for one reason and that’s the NWO plan.You don’t miss what you never had.

  • Daniel Spickard

    I think we should pass a bill in 2012 to repeal teacher’s unions, and make it a capital crime. I think that if teachers were paid on their performance, half the teachers in this country would either be paid at minimum wage or would be fired.

    • skippy

      Hahaha Dan…I think a lot of them would get a BILL for what they owe!!!

  • Leona

    The solution IS simple, abolish the PUBLIC school system, it was never meant to better education, it was put in place to indoctrinate the masses and look how far we’ve come?

    I am 32 years old and when I was in tenth grade I got into a very heated debate with my world cultures teacher as he TAUGHT us as truth that we came from apes. I recently finished up a public charter school year with my son and in SECOND grade instead of learning about the founding fathers, etc, he was taught about the first latino union organizer, Cesar Chavez in social studies and then was required to write a small paragraph about what he learned. I decided to write that paragraph and make a phone call after that. Fortunately his teacher actually agreed (much to my surprise) but said that the curriculum is already decided for them. I told her he will take a 0 then. Parents please PAY ATTENTION to what your kids are learning, the MOMENT they enter school…there is no age too young as I’ve learned with my kindergartener too. We will be privately homeschooling from here out and I will be purchasing their curriculum. We are a one income family, but even if I end up having to work nights my kids will never enter back into the public school system, we will make it work.

    Government has no business in the school system, they should all be privatized and have to compete for business. There should be no such thing as the public school system, period. Problem(S) solved.

    • Lostwages

      I agree, my sister’s grandson is in the second grade and was required to write about how bad people are that have guns! The title of the paper was “The world would be a better place if no one had guns.” Nice dream, but not real, and it is not up to the schools to be teaching this! Nor should they be teaching that being gay is OK, these things need to be left to mom and dad. Last time I checked that’s who’s doing the raising.

      • mickey

        I agree with this. Once the liberals took cap guns away from us, kids went to real guns and look how that turned out for us. How many died from a cap gun? We maybe burned our fingers, some lost an eye, but a life?

        I remember when they all went on their crusade about coffee and real butter. I tormented my mom on a daily basis that she was going to die if she kept drinking coffee and eating real butter.

        Some things are better left alone. An awareness maybe, but to make it a rule of law???

  • Elevenarrows

    Jukebox, I agree again! In fact, the KKK was really about Republican versus Democrat. About 1400 white people were lynched by the KKK because of supporting the Republican ticket. The Democratic Party has always been about intimidation and enslavement. Lest anyone think I am a Republican bashing the Democrats, I am not. I am a Constitutionalist.

  • pennsyltuckian

    I pulled my kids from public school in NJ because I was tired of having to correct their papers after their affirmative action bimbo marked wrong answers as correct. She was either too lazy or too stupid to correct the papers so I had to. Pretty bad when the bimbo thinks Canada is a continent.

    • skippy

      hey, did that teacher go to the same school and BHO??? after all, he say he had been to ummmm…what 57 STATES??!!!…and still had a couple more to go when he was running!! LOL

    • Don

      I was watching the program ” are you smarter than a fifth grader ” the question was,, what country bordered the Great Lakes besides the US, the person didn’t know the answer, this is our school system at work, and those in charge of our schools are the problem, wake up before it’s to late !!

  • Elevenarrows

    Leona,

    If only all parents were as vigilant and dedicated as you. Of course, more would be if they weren’t slaving hard to pay all the taxes the gov’t has put on their backs.

    I wish you all the best in your home schooling adventure. As a 17+ year veteran, I can promise you, there will be days you wonder, “What am I doing?!” However, the rewards far outweigh the difficulties.

    You will be able to go to sleep at night knowing that YOU have influenced your child to YOUR values…not some gov’t lunatic who thinks we should all march to the beat of the same drum…with no child left behind. What if that child stopping to smell the roses instead of marching to the drum discovered something incredible that went on to help millions of people?! Creativity has suffered at the hand of the gov’t schools. People can call it public education if that makes them feel better, but make no mistake, it is about claiming the youth…molding them to be good, global citizens, to pay their taxes and accept whatever deviant lifestyle they are told to….education as far as ACADEMICS goes is not what it is about!

    Good for you on the strength of character you displayed in showing both your child and the teacher that you are not going to blindly accept the propaganda. You are about to reap blessings untold.

    • mickey

      It isn’t that hard to teach children. I worked yet my kids learned to read in the grocery store. I did spend some time with them but more often than not, we did lessons while working, washing windows, cooking dinner. A few minutes at a time ends up in many hours in a week. The rest of the time, they had to read a book and tell me what they learned. lol, I don’t know who learned more from their reading, them or me.

    • Leona

      Elevennarrows…thank you for the encouragement…it means a lot, believe me! I agree about the financial burden placed on parents…and it’s all be design. Communist manifesto, break apart families, work, work, work, kids are left to the system to be raised. That’s one of the reasons my husband and I decided to be one income. I run a small candle business on the side, Tiago Designs on Etsy (small plug, *wink*) but with the cost of everything increasing and my husbands job under attack by the current administration (health insurance) we may be forced to become a two income family as well. Every day is stressful, he’s wondering when he’s going to get the ax, I’m wondering if I can find a job but still be able to have the time to teach four kids. All the taxes and red tape of running a business has become tiresome and almost not worth it, some days, many days I’m asking myself, what am I doing? It would be so much easier to unplug and join the ranks of the sheeple. But I’ve come to a realization that these are the sacrifices that I/we have to make, my kids will have their basic needs and not a whole lot of extras but they will have a rooted understanding of freedom, sacrifice and self-sufficiency.

  • Dick O’Blenis

    I just saw ‘Waiting for Superman’. It’s about charter schools around the county, and it’s ‘star’ is BLACK! I got my copy at the library, but it’s available for rent at Redbox.

  • SS McDonald

    A more correct, non-politically-correct Headline would have read, “Leftist Agitators Picket the NAACP” Then let the reader determine who is picketing what.

  • Elevenarrows

    Pennsyltuckian,

    Do you realize most parents nowadays don’t think the child should have wrong answers marked wrong??? Good for you! When I see a child screaming for candy in Wal-Mart, I know that the problem is ultimately the parent. Yes, the child is responsible for his behavior, but the parent is at the root of the problem. Many parents do not attempt to instill obedience and good character in their kids anymore. It would require that the parent himself be disciplined. It would require sacrifice. It would require putting aside the video games, the TV, the cellphones, etc. and TEACHING something to their kids. Many parents have not learned those things because God has been removed from our culture, church is deemed a place for entertainment, Star Wars books are more important than the Bible, teachers don’t have to be respected, life is all about what makes you happy…..the list could go on and on.

    • mickey

      Ha! Children know when to act up. In the home, there maybe discipline but don’t try that in public any more. One of the gestopo watchers will yank the kid into public group home.

  • CJM

    Will the officials cave to NAACP and the teachers union? “I suspect that, once again, the right thing to do will be sacrificed on the altar of political expediency.” It won’t be political expediency so much as it would represent political correctness. As for NAACP and the union telling the parents they can protest all they want, but these anti-American agents underestimate the power of the parents who are serious about the education of their young. Good for the Parents of Harlem–Keep up the great work you have started and finish it with a flourish that the anti-American agents will never forget. Our children ARE IMPORTANT–bust the unions and declare NAACP as a hate-mongering group. Both need serious investigations followed by indictments leading to prosecution and conviction.

  • http://www.insectman.us Karl Priest

    As a retired public school teacher I am convinced that our only hope is to rescue our children from the public (government) schools and raise a godly generation. Please see “Call to Dunkirk” at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRGZLSVph3A.

    Public schools cannot be redeemed. Saying we should not abandon them is like saying the passengers of the Titanic should have stayed aboard because the band was playing good music and the captain was a good man.

    Please also see http://insectman.us/exodus-mandate-wv/index.htm.

    We must RESCUE OUR CHILDREN!

    • DaveH

      If you would change that to “moral” instead of “godly”, I would agree completely with you Karl. There are moral people, you know, who don’t believe there is a god.

  • Moment of Clarity

    I am amazed – there is still a glimmer of hope for us all – we should all demand the gov’t to use more common sense

  • Mike

    No matter where you live, in the city or in a rural area, the instruction of our children is very important. Most people end up living in the area they grew up in. Do we want uneducated people in our neighborhoods, or would we rather have those who can help our neighborhoods grow? I am white and live in a rural area of the country, but I have many black, hispanic, and oriental friends. I don’t look at the color of a person’s skin, but how good the person is. I think most whites feel the same. We are all God’s children, created in his image and likeness. It bothers me to hear anyone of any race talk about how bad their race is being treated today. I think this is in itself a form of counter racism. I, and I think most whites feel that it was wrong to have slavery and are trying to correct this wrong. I see many very successful black, hispanic and oriental people. These people would not be successful if they did not have people of all races supporting them. Unions were needed at one time, but they have overstepped their boundaries. Greed has cost this country many jobs, worsened the economy and stopped all growth. I hope the officials in Harlem will support the courageous parents in their area and consider the future of these children.

  • FreedomFighter

    All people want a good life for there children, nomatter the race, religion or place of origin.

    The Progressive-socialist/Communist liberals dont allow for individuals to decide the futrue of there own children, the elitist do, because goverment knows best, so they say…actually itss because they want control an power over everyone and well educated people know when they are being duped, controled and exploited. The New World Order elitist types cant have people to smart or they lose power because the slaves revolt.

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

    • Moby49

      Bull Pucky. It is the rich conservatives that want women barefoot and pregnant and a ready workforce of uneducated slave labor.

      • mickey

        umm seems the dems have that cornered. How many dems are on this open border human trafficking thing? Still slavery with a different name, if you ask me. And at $7k a head, someone is making money, especially since we don’t need labor.

        Calderon brags about the money he makes off this, more than his oil revenue.

  • Insurgent

    It is not solely the fault of the teachers. If there is not support and backing on the homefront, it is an uphill battle. Our finest and best teachers need to be at K thru 3rd grade level. If students do not get the basics, the rest of their time in school is a major struggle. After 35 years in the field of education, this last statement has proven itself time and again!!!

    • Dan az

      I completely agree with that statement.It is the most crucial time in their lives that makes or breaks them.

  • Leatherneckox

    I have been teaching in a title 1 school in Texas. I’m a Marine and believe George Bush (41 and 43) were both very good Presidents. I say this so you will know my point of view….

    Now here is my problem this article and many others blame the classroom
    Teacher. I applaud the parents for fighting for their kids too bad there are not more like them.

    Tell me is a dentist who works in suburbia and has clients who have minimal cavities a better dentist than the one who works in the inner city whose clients have many cavities? Or is it a product of their home environment? Their are bad teachers who should go ASAP but stop blaming the teachers for everything. Start holding mom and dad accountable. If a child drops out that is the family’s fault not the school! Let em go somebody’s gotta flip the burgers and push the lawn mower.

    • mickey

      Umm I think that is the same mentality that got us to where we are. Parents are parents, not really supposed to be teachers other than to have kids respect teachers and to do their homework. However, we have this no child left behind crap.

      Parents aren’t allowed to discipline their children and the progressives treat children like they are adults, like the kids have rights as kids, but have a rude awakening at age 18 when the law takes over.

      We need government out of our households and out of the public education system.

      We had 80 kids in my first classes. Those that couldn’t behave were sent out. ALL parents supported this dicipline. Yet, we still learned and succeeded. My school was one of the top schools for 1st through 6th grade (we didn’t have kindergarten).

      • Dan az

        mickey
        80 kids?I thought that 40 was to many.How many teachers to a class?There most of been allot of hands up that didn’t get answers.

        • karolyn

          Dan – I don’t think they were allowed to ask questions. Everybody learned by rote and that was that.

      • karolyn

        That’s when little kids had to sit and line up like little soldiers and never question anything. Was it in the 40s? A class of 80 today would be total chaos.

  • Moby49

    Chip, what is with you and the “union thugs” metaphor. These are teachers not teamsters. Comments like that just make you look silly.

    I view union members as capitalists, just trying to make more money like any good capitalist. No different than any business trying to win in the market.

    I will never understand why you feel greed is good for Wall Street but not Main Street. If more of us stood up to the rapacious corps we would all be better off and paid considerably more.

    • mickey

      No, as WI showed, they are teamsters. And who said everyone should have a guaranteed wage? Equal pay for equal work, but everyone on the same level?

      Unions over inflated wages. If corporations didn’t go along with the unions, the unions shut down the corporation.

      There is nothing wrong with trying to obtain a better paying job except that we have been geared to think that any job we do isn’t good enough and the government should provide us with an avenue to get more money.

      Run a small business and see how many wage increases you can support without expanding business.

      • eddie47d

        Very few union members are thugs but the author and some commenter’s like to assume such. I agree with Moby and some of what Mickey has to say. Mickey is on fire today and has some excellent view points.

        • DaveH

          Sure, Eddie. We all know that Unions nicely ask people if they want to join, and that they don’t use Government to force people to join or pay dues. Sure (watch the video):
          http://www.nrtwc.org/

        • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

          eddie47d,
          Adolf Hitler called unions a product of socialist and Jews.He also labeled unions as an organizations of thugs.He made them illegal when he came to power.

          http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/GERhitler.htm

          • JeffH

            coal mier, FYI…Hitler Transformed the Unions He Didn’t Eliminate Them. Instead of allowing the left to propagate the lie that Hitler did away with unions, the truth is, he created the German Labor Front, complete with a swastika flag as its symbol, because he could control it, and barred the formation of future unions (such as Marxist unions).

            Hitler was a leftist, a union supporter and wrote in his manifesto that unions were an integral part of the much needed social justice in Germany and the entire nation and its “chambers of estates and economic parliament” must be aligned with that ideal. His entire power structure was based on this power to the people code. Along with universal healthcare, expanded animal welfare laws, support of healthy, organic foods and vegetarianism, a minimum wage, progressive taxation, and tight gun control — policies all shared by progressives from Roosevelt to Clinton to Obama, it is impossible for the left to separate themselves from Hitler.

            In Mein Kampf, Hitler goes into great detail about how National Socialism must realign all aspects of society to the goals of trade unions, to create an equality of outcome. And if those aspects of society are not willing, they will be taken over (co-opted). Hitler emphasized the Nazi union (German Labor Front) should be the only union, and one way to make it so, was to infiltrate the Marxist unions and slowly transform them (Mein Kampf Vol 2, Ch.12). This is a stunning admission of how similar Nazism was to Marxism, that its members could infiltrate it and transform its labor union.
            http://libertyslifeline.com/2011/03/12/the-truth-about-hitler-and-the-unions/

          • JeffH

            And here’s Hitler’s own words from his book, Mein Kampf:

            I think that I have already answered the first question adequately. In the present state of affairs I am convinced that we cannot possibly dispense with the trades unions. On the contrary, they are among the most important institutions in the economic life of the nation. Not only are they important in the sphere of social policy but also, and even more so, in the national political sphere. For when the great masses of a nation see their vital needs satisfied through a just trade unionist movement the stamina of the whole nation in its struggle for existence will be enormously reinforced thereby.

            Before everything else, the trades unions are necessary as building stones for the future economic parliament, which will be made up of chambers representing the various professions and occupations.

            Yet another leftist urban myth busted!
            http://thegraph.com/2011/02/hitler-didnt-outlaw-unions-as-a-national-socialist-he-went-double-down-on-them/

          • JeffH

            Hitler created the largest trade union in the world with 20,000,000 members, the National Socialist Union of Employers and Workers.

            Here is an article from the Jan. 1935 Literary Digest in pdf form.
            http://www.oldmagazinearticles.com/pdf/Nazi_Labor_Unions.pdf

    • JeffH

      Moby49, you wonder why Chip mentions “union thugs”? Unfortunately, bad unions thugs bring that mentality to the forefront with actions lhttp://thedaleygator.wordpress.com/2011/02/25/videos-when-union-thugs-attack/ike this: *VIDEOS* When Union Thugs Attack!

      • JeffH
        • JeffH

          …or these…SEIU beats up man, Union threatens 16 old girl, Union bullies Tea Partiers, Tampa Florida violence, Intimidation, Health care protesters attacked in Missouri, unionfacts.com, Unions Dropping Millions on Democrats, Lovely union workers in Emeryville(CA), SEIU adopts protest-by-intimidation, Unions vs Kids and on and on and on….
          http://standbyone.com/unions/union-thugs.htm

      • JeffH

        Videos show labor union thuggery – 5 foot 1 inch Tabitha Hale, assaulted by a union thug

        This is a compilation of videos depicting how labor union thugs use intimidation and assault to get what they want. The first video shows a union member threatening to break the cameraman’s neck (warning: explicit language).
        http://constitutionclub.org/2011/03/09/videos-show-labor-union-thuggery/

        • JeffH

          Gov. Chrisite: ‘Teachers Unions Political Thugs’
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGNkUD26TwU

          • Dan az

            Now little brother you know that you can’t give facts like that, what about their feelings?Have you know shame?

      • DaveH

        Thanks, Jeff, for all your good work.

        • JeffH

          Thanks DaveH…likewise… :)

    • JeffH

      Moby49, just so you don’t get the wrong impression, I’ve helped to organize a union and have participated in all phases of the process and was asked to run for the retiring business agents position by the union hierarchy. I have also been fully involved on the management side of union organizing. I’ve been on both sides of the isle.
      I’ve known and still know many good union people but I’ve also seen the very worst side of unions and these videos are posted because this is what the “union thugs” do to blacken the eyes of unions in the public. Unfortunately, the “public” unions most often seem to be in the forefront of the thuggery…go figure.

      This is the reality of the matter! Whether you choose to accept it is your choice…something you might not be able to do in the not so distant future.

      • JeffH

        “I’ve known and still know many good union people”…let me be clear, most of those, that I do know well, voted for Obama and still activly support Obama. Why? Because their unions have activly supported Obama, who owes unions big time, and they’ve fallen in line like unthinking mindless sheep.

        • eddie47d

          Jeff’s anti-union buffoonery makes it crystal clear how he feels about unions. I really doubt if you have any real union friends or you wouldn’t have posted those videos. You’re getting good at using Alinsky tactics to justify yourself. Watching those clips was a waste of time and extremely biased.Searching for Truth and Justice Jeff? I highly doubt that in any of those videos. More proof that you want to drive unions out of existence and will use any tactic to do so. I can see that you want union members to roll over and take it in the shorts no matter how dishonest you are about it. Too bad those anti-union agitators infiltrated those rallies and made great attempts to stir things up. Those were the thugs and that one “college student” kept repeating himself seeing how many he could tick off. He baited the union and made sure it recorded and unfortunately the union fell for it. I would have totally ignored the guy. Got to love those disruptive plants. That clip on Mike Tobin was very lame for a credible reporter and he egged the demonstrators on with “smart”… remarks.Poor Fox News on that one and they want to be looked at as credible reporting. Way too much in your face, on the “tea party”? side to give you much credibility either Jeff.

          • JeffH

            eddie, do you have anything that can proove my anti-union “baffoonery” other than your childish banter? No, absolutely not! You just can’t handle the truth of the matter that the videos I posted are a great example of the “union thug mentality” which you obviuosly feel a need to defend.

            Unless you can back it up, which you can’t, I suggest you “zip it” and crawl back into your litter box.

          • Dan az

            edduh
            Here he brings the facts to the table and you still blame the other guy.Typical lib BS.I had hopes that someday you would open your eyes but it is apparent that it’s just not going to happen.Have a miserable life and don’t bother bringing it here.

          • JeffH

            …speaking of mindless sheep, looks who pops up…

          • JeffH

            for the record, “…speaking of mindless sheep, look who pops up…eddie…

          • eddie47d

            Why it’s the repeater repeating himself. Aren’t you petered out for repeating yourself so much? I’ve seen your Conservative plants before and they can be very disruptive also. I don’t agree with either side doing it (by getting in someone elses face). At least some of us can see that in those videos. Your hands are not clean anti-union man.

          • JeffH

            eddie, again you can’t come up with any original thought of your own so you have to repeat what you hear from others.

            Eddie the Repeat Parrot – buy it now at Amazon.com
            Price: $21.82 & eligible for FREE Super Saver Shipping

            eddie the Repeat Talking Parrot is the most obedient bird you can buy! Just tell him any phrase, and he repeats it back to you. Practice your Liberal rhetoric! Double speak with double ineffectiveness! Pete comes with his own hanging perch, batteries INCLUDED.

          • JeffH

            Uh…edddie, can you define what your definition of “Conservative plants” are? Sounds like a pretty good “green thing” to me.

            defininitio – self reliant flora…a genus and species of plant that is self reliant

          • DaveH

            Eddie, the Union Thug. It is so obvious, Eddie, from your mental bullying, that you wouldn’t hesitate to join them in their coercive ways.

  • Deasha

    There is plenty of blame to go around for failing schools. Inner city “families” tend to be more transient. 1) Many of my students attended 3 schools in one semester. 2) Even within low performing schools there is segregation – students who study and do well in class are placed in foreign language, AP and honor classes. Students that are behavior problems and failing all classes for whatever reason are placed in choir and I am expected to teach them to perform like they are on Glee. Instead of choir, why are there not support classes to address reasons students don’t want to study. 3) I am a teacher who has issues with administrators and unions. 4) Students have told me of racial comments white teachers make to them in the classroom. Does that really help student performance. The problem is complex and requires unpacking and solutions.

    • mickey

      Look this racial stuff goes both ways. Get over all of it. Ethnic groups use it to disrupt and whites are told to go hide in shame. We all came from some sort of name calling. Name calling just leads to other problems on the job. Kids need to learn how to deal with it. They all will have obstacles in a workforce. They need to learn how to deal, not forever being disruptive. Every word is not meant as a slur.

    • mickey

      Just how many schools do you think Army brats attend in a career lifetime? Many in foreign countries. Three schools is no excuse. Learn to deal. One may have three jobs in the same time span as an adult. They have to deal with it.

  • http://personallibertydigest marilyn

    As a retired teacher (very unpopular with my peers), I say bypass the
    union and the naacp and give those parents vouchers!!!! The naacp and the union should should take heed to the Bible and think about what they are doing the children and consider the millstone around the neck promised to those who harm them.

    • DaveH

      And we need to make sure, Marilyn, that those vouchers don’t come with strings attached, such as Government chosen curriculums.
      We need Educational Choice, not just School Choice.

  • Disgusted

    It is a shame that America seems to be going backwards. The issues
    that are being discussed today, should be non-issues, we are in the
    year 2011, aren’t we? I hate to say it, but I think it’s time for
    another Civil War. If you can’t obtain education, housing and a job,
    it’s time to take drastic action. My only comment is “Wake Up America,
    and Stand UP”.

  • Leona

    Bob L. I have tried to post a link twice now about the truth behind MLK because a few people have mentioned him and I found some interesting information on him that I felt worthy of sharing…are my emails being moderated? They have not posted and I was wondering why??

    • Dan az

      Leona
      Sometimes what we write gets hung up in moderation for awhile,not sure why but it happens.I think I read what you wrote about MLK and found it interesting thanks for sharing.

      • Leona

        Oh okay, thanks Dan for letting me know, and I meant “posts” not emails getting moderated, typo, oops. I wasn’t sure if maybe because I was posting an outside link they had to check it out first or something, seemed kinda odd. Thanks again and glad you checked it out…makes sense when you actually think about it as far as the purpose he served. I love how even though his plagiarism was proven by “prominent” universities, most people have never heard anything about it…

        • Dan az

          Even is those days we had liberal news and where only told what they wanted us to hear.With the advent of the internet we can at least look for the truth (for now)and I feel allot of people have been doing just that.We can only Hope!

        • DaveH

          It happens when you post more than one link in a comment, Leona.
          It might also happen if the site you post has a security problem, but I haven’t run into that event so far.

  • Bob

    The miseducation system has failed blacks, pure and simple. Judging from the young people I meet today, it is failing whites also. It is time for a change.

  • davy

    The blacks of Harlem got to “thank” the democrat party,Jesse Jackson and the “other clown” and the likes of him for keeping them hoodwinked. The blood suckers enrich themselves by encouraging a state of victim hood mentality rather than facing realities.Stop the blame game ! In the third world it is a known fact the politicians love to keep their supporters clueless and uneducated. About time to get rid of the leeches and the unions. Today in the age of digital communication no victims plight would go unheard /unreported. People have become color blind ,and spontaneously take the side of people who make an effort to better themselves. Why have all these blood sucking parasites like the unions & the rest virtually living on the poor and uneducated for their survival ?

  • pinkgin

    I have read through all the posts and to be really honest, I find it really sad that there are still majority posts referring to Black and White,,,this is entirely the problem.
    I think of all people as being Zebras,,,both black and white together, indeed a PERSON..I will admit to only having one friend who is a different colour than me, but that’s just the way it happens to be , and I don’t see him as being different.
    Same goes for African-American, Mexican-American, Italian -American, Irish-American…etc..etc…we are all supposed to be American and although I was born in England and migrated here in 1974, and now at the age of 74, I am still a proud American and not an Anglo American.
    What did the guy in L.A say…” Can’t we just get along”.

    • Dan az

      pinkgin
      That’s the problem with NAACP that they wish to deep there jobs by saying that there is a problem.People like Jackson and Sharpton need to be strung up for what they are doing to their race.Its this kind of mentality that the whole PC crap started,They learned this trick from the Reservations that if you keep them on welfare they will breed more welfare and continue the hate process for eternity.That’s how they keep their jobs,stirring the pot while it boils.

      • Dan az

        Thats keep not deep,the left hand seems to not know what the right hand is doing.Kinda sounds familiar.

      • kodster

        Dan, that’s exactly what is the problem in the middle east, as well. All the hatred that is bred in the ghettoes there, refugee camps, etc… the re-settlement camps that have been around for 63 years now, since Israel became a nation. Jordan was supposed to be the nation for the Palestinians to move to, become assimilated into. That’s why it was called “Trans-Jordan” when the British Mandate that divided the land up for the nation of Israel to be formed out of. However, the monarchy in Jordan mandated that the refugees of Palestine be put in re-settlement camps, and that’s where they have been forced to stay, for 3 generations now. They know no other life. Look at that example, and then look at the ghettoes of America. What do you see as different?

        • Dan az

          Kodster
          The fact that obummer is bring them here to feed in our troughs at our expense wont help them either.They need to stand on there own and make do with what they have and turn them selves into a nation of not hate but prosperity.But with our middling and others that’s just not going to happen.They need the right leadership just as we do to make it work.You would think that after thousands of years of fighting they would get the picture.They are mere pawns of the islamic radicals that breed hate and despair.Until they stand on their own it will never change and know matter how much money is thrown at them it will always be used against their good will.

    • Al Sieber

      pinkin, that was what Rodney King said, but it didn’t work.

    • Cawmun Cents

      I always have people at the stores apologizing for me having to wait in line.I always tell them,”We are all Americans here,so you never need to apologize to me.”and it makes them smile.Some folks feel the need to announce where they came from to me.The thing is…being an American….I couldnt care less what backwater country or continent you came from.WE ARE AMERICANS!….citizens of the good ol’U.S. of A.Until folks can congatulate each other that they are the luckiest people in the world,that they dont still live where they came from….we are going to have these issues that we have now.If you really identify with the place of your origin,take your silly a$$ back there and live.Leave me to be an American and shut the hell up about where you crawled up from.I simply dont care.It just doesnt matter.If you’d pull your head out of where you came from…maybe you would have a clear vision of where you are going?Maybe there wouldnt be words like racism,(insert various ethnic,cultural,international slurs),and you could get on with making the place you do live better.Its time to recognize what it means to be Americans!How can you save…re-build…regenerate,what America is all about…if you are still stuck in the back water crudhole you escaped from in the first place?!Are you proud to be European?These people think you are hillbillys and that you are less…less than they are.They are snobs and proud of it…do you really want to be like them?Then you have Asia…look at what a dung heap Asia has become….and then there is Africa…sorry if I hurt your feelings all you Africans out there…but it is tore up from the floor up.For pity’s sake folks…I am glad I dont live in those places anymore!They are FUBAR for and to various reasoning.The only reason they exsist in my mind is to remind me of how great America is.Do me a favor all you (insert various ehtnic,nationalities and cultures)-Americans,try putting America in front of those places you came from.Or get the ___ out!Expatriate your dumbazzes back to the original mess you got out of and leave me my America.Be proud of who you are…as an American!Hello….are you getting this message?Houston we have a problem…..-CC.

  • S.C. Murf

    My wife of 40 years has been a early childhood development teacher now for 20 some years, and she loves these kids, has said time and time again that you need to also teach the parents because they also don’t know how to teach their own kids. Nobody taught them the proper way, so everything keeps repeating itself. Doesn’t matter what color, status quo these 4 and 5 year olds minds are like sponges, but you got to feed them the information and then make sure that mom and dad understand also. Trouble is so many homes are already broken, only one parent and never enough time to get everything done that needs to be done. America is in quit a fix and our children are the ones that suffer and then they grow up and their children suffer and it is a big circle of no growth. As in war the children are the ones that truly suffer

    up the hill
    airborne

    • Mike

      S.C Murf
      My daughter “was” a teacher. She was let go from her position at the end of the year because a child in her classroom would not behave and the parents of the child went to the principle when my daughter put him in the corner for 10 minutes. They were prominent in the area so the principle took their side. This student has now moved on to middle school where he is causing the same problem for a teacher who is a friend of my daughter. He has been reprimanded in this new school and the parents are threatening the school. How can you teach a child like this who knows that Mommy and Daddy will make sure he can misbehave all he wants to and nothing can be done? I hate to think what this child will grow up to be. Probably just like Mommy and Daddy. Schools are for “teaching”. They shouldn’t be the only place where kids are taught manners and how to behave. That’s for the parents, however, if a child does not behave, teachers should have the right to do “something” about it. I’m not advocating anything quite this drastic but I got a spanking from my teacher when I was in 8th grade. I deserved it and I knew it. Hopefully, it “taught” me something.

      • karolyn

        When I was in first grade (1954), my teacher, who was probably teachig her first class, made me stand in the corner on my toes. She also pulled my hair. (I was bothering the other students because i got done with my work first.) There was a “bad” kid whose mouth she taped and wouldn’t remove the tape at lunchtime. My mother raised hell, and that woman never did anything like that again. That was cruel and unusual punishment for 7 year olds. I was glad I never went to Catholic school, where the nuns hit kids with rulers. I got enough “lickings” at home; I didn’t need them at school too.

        • libertytrain

          karolyn, I went to Catholic schools through high school and never in all the years did I ever see a kid get hit or hit with a ruler. Perhaps some teachers in some places whether public or private school did that but it is not something that happened everywhere.

          • Karolyn

            Liberty – I know it happened in NY & NJ. I had friends who have memories of mean nuns.

          • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner
          • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner
          • libertytrain

            I only spent 12 years in Catholic schools and it didn’t happen in the ones I was in, and had friends etc in other schools and they didn’t have a problem ever either. If you read what I wrote you might realize I said it could have happened in both private and public in some places. What I’m saying is my friends and I did not experience it or see it happen in our classrooms during our time. I have nothing but respect and fond memories of the amazing nuns I was lucky enough to have as my teachers.

          • libertytrain

            I will add that I went to public school kindergarten and suffered under a teacher, Mrs. Icke, that screamed at me continuously because I couldn’t cut well with the scissors – I’m left handed and they don’t work the same when you are left handed. That I remember well after 54 years. And she was a PUBLIC School teacher. The nuns never had issue with my left handedness.

      • S.C. Murf

        Hey Mike like I said my wife loves her kids, she love to see them get excited about learning. The biggest obstacles she has run across in her 20 plus years are the PARENTS. Its always my child would never do that, Bull$hit. We have to have Smart, Moral, Upstanding, Patient people to be our Teachers. We also have to allow these Teachers to have authority over our children. I’m not advocating beatings but rather discipline. Sorry about your daughter, we loose a lot of good teachers because of parents

        up the hill
        airborne

        • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

          Karolyn,

          You are abslutely right.One of my son’s best friends told him he was a devout Catholic and he told a similar story your’s.He said,to shut him they stuff cotton in his nose, mouth and cracked him across the face with a ruller.The more he rebel,the meaner they got.He came home with bruises as result of the beatings.His parents eventually took him out of school.My dentist’s dental assistant told me she was left handed and the nun at her school forced her to use her right hand because she believe left handed people tend to be diabolical and if she disobey she would be severely punished.What do you expect from a church that covers up and protects pediphiles,children has always been at the mercy of these frauds and still being abused. Liberty is wrong on this one.

          • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

            To yours

          • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

            I also got ruler spelled wrong.

          • libertytrain

            Coal – you are wrong to assume that it happened everywhere. I can assure you based on my 12 years in Catholics schools that it did not. That abuse did and does occur in private and public schools still today is probable – just not everywhere despite what you want to believe.

          • http://deleted Claire

            With the way some of the kids act nowadays it is a dang good thing I am not a teacher. I would probably be in jail. I have seen plenty of them at the mall and bus stops— no manners, no respect for nothing or no one, plus a filthy mouth. And I do think there are a number of them that could care less if they learned anything or not. It is not always the teacher’s fault–I place some of the blame on the parents. Kids should be taught manners, respect, and civility BEFORE they go to school. The problem is that once kids get in school some of them follow the “crowd” and that crowd is not always the best. The garbage on TV doesn’t help either. I could go on and on but I think you get the gist of what I am saying.

          • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

            Karolyn,
            What you posted is the truth,its no lie.The Catholic church has being covering up and lying for years.

            A man who does not know the truth is just an idiot but a man who knows the truth and calls it a lie is a crook! –Bertolt Brecht

          • libertytrain

            Poor coal.

          • Al Sieber

            coal miner, I grew up in the Catholic church and you are so right, I think the Vatican has a evil agenda and the Jesuits are evil. there’s a book called “Rulers Of Evil” by F. Tupper Saussy that explains it all, there’s more then meets the eye with the Vatican. and I can say that because I was a Catholic. the Vatican has a Observatory on Mt. Graham in Ariz., what are they searching the heavens for?

          • libertytrain

            good grief.

  • Daniel from TN

    I used to be a public school babysitter.. uh, teacher. I was fired because I refused to change a grade for an athlete, who, despite failing all his classes one semester, was allowed to play the next semester. The year before I was fired another strange thing happened. I was reprimanded because all the black students in my classes passed the state proficiency exam in Math. It seems their passing disqualified the school system for some extra funding. Go figure!!!

    • eddie47d

      Thanks for being an excellent teacher and conscientious.

    • Dan az

      That’s a perfect example of our government at its finest.Need I say more?

    • element man

      It’s easy to figure. Your school system and its administrators were guilty of racism. There should be no counting of races in reporting the statistics of how well your students did on the state proficiency exam. There should be no funding based on how secific racial groups do. The school should be colorblind. End of story!

      When I was a teacher in the pubic schools in Assachusetts, every year the state would sent around a form for the classrom teachers to fill out, listing how many students were “white”, “black”, “asian”, etc. I never filled out the form, and always returned the form with 3 big letters printed across the front: GFY. For those of you who don’t know what “GFY” means, the first word is “go”.

  • chuckb

    if they truly expect better things to happen in the schools, they should lock up the ipods and basketballs. get a dress code and discipline in the classroom.

  • kodster

    Stupid is as Stupid gets, to quote Forrest Gump. You have more black teachers teaching black students. The quality of teaching is proportionate to the level of the students. I’m being a racist, but look at the picture. You will have exceptions to the rule, and there will be quality black teachers, as well as exceptional black students. However, if the capability of the black teachers isn’t to the level and standards held to the white teachers, then you’ve got stupidity teaching stupidity. So, a vicious cycle starts. And this is what we get for allowing our education system to degrade over many years.

    After reading Chip’s article, I am almost tempted to move to NYC and apply for a job as a teacher! I want to help those students get ahead, because that’s where it happens! Teach them life skills, so that they succeed in the real world, not how to stay on welfare rolls, and perpetuate the problem.

    Harlem, and ghettos across the nation, remind me of the breeding grounds for terrorists. Look at the refugee camps of Gaza, the West Bank, in Jordan (which was supposed to be the re-settlement state for Palestine, instead of stealing land from Israel to create a two-state entity, but instead, the refugees of Palestine were forced into camps, for decades, and therefore, multi-generational poverty)… and then look at Harlem, the 5th Ward of New Orleans, etc, Detroit, Watts in Los Angeles, and you wonder why we have problems. Does anyone see the picture, besides me?

    • karolyn

      Isn’t it “Stupid is as stupid does?”

    • Dan az

      Kodster
      I might add that we have the most prisons in the world and radical islamist are teaching their trade there.Its a never ending flush.

  • pinkgin

    chuckb

    Dead right on the ipods, cell phones and the other tech stuff , They are banned in British schools and uniforms are mandatory..Therefore no silly girls trying the fashion angle and no silly boys dressing like gangsters.
    Schools are for LEARNING first and foremost…not Social Clubs..No extra credit for being on the Football team either.

  • http://2011PersonalLibertyDigest TeacherBro

    I am a former teacher.
    One of the sad facts with some New York schools;
    the teachers do not speak any better than the students…
    no one in the schools have formal speech patterns or vocabularies, including the principal.
    It makes one wonder…. how those teachers made it through college!?

  • Wayne937

    This information was taken from this website:
    http://patriotupdate.com/8285/poll-if-election-were-held-today-obama-would-lose/comment-page-1#comment-157890

    Francisco Miami Beach says:

    June 17, 2011 at 12:05 pm
    Thank you for your service Captain…I’ve read many of your postings and consider you a patriot and great American.

    When my familia brought us children to this great country from Cuba, one of the things we were all impressed about were how Patriotic Americans were and how much they loved their country. Now I’m an adult and as I look around now, I see division.

    My familia registered as Democrats back in the early 60s. The democratic Party is not the same party it was back then. It has been hijacked by left-wingers…the very same kinds of people who supported the murderous Castro regime. Needless to say, none of my familia are still registered Democrats.

    Be assured, the Hispanic population in Flordia is not a group that Obama and the Democrats can count on in 2012.

  • Wayne937

    Taken from this website:

    http://patriotupdate.com/8285/poll-if-election-were-held-today-obama-would-lose/comment-page-1#comment-157890

    Francisco Miami Beach says:

    June 17, 2011 at 12:05 pm
    Thank you for your service Captain…I’ve read many of your postings and consider you a patriot and great American.

    When my familia brought us children to this great country from Cuba, one of the things we were all impressed about were how Patriotic Americans were and how much they loved their country. Now I’m an adult and as I look around now, I see division.

    My familia registered as Democrats back in the early 60s. The democratic Party is not the same party it was back then. It has been hijacked by left-wingers…the very same kinds of people who supported the murderous Castro regime. Needless to say, none of my familia are still registered Democrats.

    Be assured, the Hispanic population in Flordia is not a group that Obama and the Democrats can count on in 2012.

    • kodster

      Yes, and that’s why MSM (specifically, MSNBC) made such a huge stink about the Hispanic population being in Obama’s camp… why it was a stopover, on his way to his very brief (4 hour stop, on an 18-hour round trip flight) stump trip to Puerto Rico to garner votes for him next year. What was taken as cheers for Obama by MSN, I heard as outrage, for his comments during his speech. They were insulted by him more than anything else.

      Unfortunately, I don’t think it’s going to make much difference in the election turnout, but I honestly do believe that Obama and the campaign machine trying to twist the numbers about the Hispanic vote as being for him is truly twisted, itself. He’s going to be re-elected, my gut feeling is, or he’s going to have an event that will allow him to declare martial law, which will suspend the election process and he’ll remain as “dictator-in-chief” of this once great nation. That event? The Rapture!

  • Robert Hauser

    And by the way, those of you who might be tempted to come back on me with this sing-song “well, our education system must be the best because we were the first to get two men on the moon?”….oh were we really? Well, I still await the person who could present even good prima facie evidence that we ever once placed two characters upon the surface of the moon for a golf tournament….and even if you could prove to a THINKING public that we did in fact perform the feat, the credit would go almost 99% to the people of Germany….as without the 78 German rocket experts and physicists brought over here under Operation Paperclip, what you laughably call America’s “space program” would never have emerged beyond a Fourth of July fireworks display.

    • chuckb

      hauser, your insinuation the moon landing was a fraud is ridiculous. i agree, the technology we recovered from germany gave us the ability to land a man on the moon. to think we didn’t do that, you would have to believe the world is flat.

      thank you werner von braun.

  • Bob from Calif.

    Hello Robert,

    Are you American or German? You need to make up your mind where your loyalties lie. It doesn’t matter what race the scientists were, all that matters is at the time they were working for the United States, therefore the credit alone belongs to the U.S..

  • chuckb

    one big problem, most people think all people are equal and everyone can be whatever they set out to be. this is hogwash, this is one of the problems in the minority predominate schools. they all think they can be a rocket scientist if they have a great teacher. this is some more of the liberal society nonsense. one of the above comments said the black teachers were less qualified to teach so consequently it rubs off on the kids. where did these black teachers get their certification? most likely the same place the white teacher did. were they held to the same standard or were they placed under the affirmative action program. instead of expecting brain surgeons, why not teach them a trade. instead of lowering the curriculum so they can compete, make them pass or fail. our present occupant in the white house is a prime example of affirmative action. he makes the bleeding heart throb, however, he can’t run the country.

  • cch

    IQ has been shown to vary among the races to a limited extent. On average, Asians have slightly higher IQs than whites who have slightly higher IQs than blacks. Except for a few in all races that have significant mental deficiencies, they can learn to read and do basic math. Some will not but they could.
    IQ differences and other factors like nutrition are not nearly as significant as cultural factors. One of my daughter’s close friends is black and attended an inner city school (almost all black). His genetics were fine. His parents were both educated and successful. He was accused of not being black enough because he was trying to learn. Is it any wonder that such schools are failing?

  • http://gunner689 gunner689

    All it takes for education to occur is for teachers willing to teach and students willing to learn. Education is almost impossible without both of these ingredients. Some of the greatest minds this country ever produced came out of one room country schools. we have devolved as a Nation and a people.

  • Bob from Calif.

    The U.N. agenda 21 has been very successful at dumbing down the students of this country. Hopefully we as a country can throw the NWO agendas to the curb, and get back to the business of being the greatest country on God’s green earth.

    • Dan az

      Bob
      Exactly the only way to do that is Vote for Ron Paul and put as many libertarians in congress and the senate.
      http://libertarianparty.org/platform

    • element man

      Get the US out of the UN and the UN out or the US. Otherwise, all liberty will be lost.

  • chuckb

    cch, rubbish

  • RD

    WHY wasn’t this in the news? It sure is more important than the murder trial of the month.

    • Christin

      RD,
      Guess the media or the WH doesn’t want it to get out that Blacks aren’t on board with all this thug Union Facist stuff either.

  • Don

    It’s about time they got fed up with schools

  • missy Janie

    An eye-opening film called “The Cartel” is a must see for everyone in our country. It plainly lays out the corruption which is rampant in education vis a vie the unions.
    God knows we’ll never get a 60 minutes expo mon this or any other left leaning scheme to bilk us out of tax dollars and get nothing in return.
    Charter schools should be the only schools allowed to be built going forward. School boards must be cleansed of the marxists whon currently control them.The elite left of this country has been found out, now we must getthem out of power; be it the local or federal level. Beware of the union thugs, they are dangerous.
    How long will we stand by and let our kids end up as the biggest losers?

    • Daniel from TN

      I and many other teachers and former teachers I know believe the government does NOT want American students to be educated. The reason is simple. History has shown that a population that is illiterate is much easier to control than a population that can read.

  • Stephen

    Hey folks
    As long as there is a federal reserve that we borrow money from and pay back with high interest (and if we can’t pay back allow them to pass another law in their favour not ours) than our schools education along with wars that we should not be fighting, patriot act being passed and on and on and we will all be slaves to that system. Please, please help end the federal reserve.

  • Vivian

    As a college educated black person who went through the public school system for twelve years, I can attest to the fact that there were and still are loads of white teachers who were not dedicated to teaching their charges and failed that duty miserably.
    The article implies that some how the bad teachers are all black and obviously this is hardly the case. Let’s not make the failure of New York City schools an opportunity to disseminate misleading and racist information. There are good teachers who are black and good teachers who are white. The mission should be to root out the nonproductive teachers..no matter what race they are.

    • http://fox walter

      Sir, The truth is that all teachers are 1- good teachers. 2- bad teachers. Anything else is misstated or misinterpreted. Both can cause an ill effect.

    • Dan az

      Vivian
      That’s the point we need to get the unions out first to be able to weed the bad from the good.

  • Joe_Ks

    Good for those parents who stood up for a better education for their children. After all those years of being told “a mind is a terrible thing to waste” it is refreshing to see that so many black citizens take that seriously. Of all the things that cripple our country, I don’t think I could name a single thing more crippling than a dumbed down educational system. Things like who is black and who is white is really not an issue. The issue is about whether people (children in this case) have a real opportunity to advance or are just held down and back down by those who exercise political power over Americans. If so many can see past skin color for the sake of HONESTLY doing something “for the children” then maybe somewhere in the murk of our society, there is something to be hopeful for after all.

  • http://fox walter

    All people want the same thing for themselves and their children and when they are promised these things and find they were lied to they will revolt. Everyone must stand together and fight this evil that plagues us.

  • Wayne937

    Well, I see where Al Gore is backing Romney for the Republican Nomination. Does that tell you anything. Remember, Romney is for “Cap & Trade” as well as Al Gore. All I can say read up on “Cap and trade” by googling it and see if you want your energy bills to increase any where from 50 to 80 percent. I don’t.

    • Dan az

      Wayne
      Romney is also part of the CFR along with his buddy algory

  • R. Smullen

    First, your kids have to want to get an education. Next they need to leave their attitudes home. Plus they need to leave that filthy mouth home also. It’s mostly the kids fault anyway. School is just someplace to hang out for them. Oh and stop with that so called “ebonics” trash too.Make them follow the rules or they will never get that “edumacation”. They need to start taking the blame too. Don’t just blame the teachers and make the teachers take a test to prove they are qualified to teach, instead of them getting their jobs because of their color.
    Hey, the truth hurts sometime.

    • Joe_ks

      R. Smullen, here is a bit of truth: A lot of those worthless teachers are white. Maybe not in this instance, I don’t know, but I remember some of the teachers I had as a kid. Some of them were basically just welfare recipients who had to sit at a desk all day to get the free check, and they were white. As for the kids attitudes, you are right, with one qualifier: While some of their attitude does come from home, a lot more of it comes from having to deal with punks, bullies and jerks at school, having to live in that environment.

      Some people think the education system started downhill when prayer was removed from the classroom. I do think there is some merit in that, given the true history of the education system: “Gentlemen, it is imperative that children learn to read, in order that they may read the Bible” (from memory, probably not verbatim) This statement was made by Benjamin Franklin when our forefathers were considering whether or not to create a public educational system. …. But I believe the real downhill dive of our educational system took place when the paddle was removed from the hands of the school principle and the p. e. coaches who held kids responsible for their words and actions.

      Having said that, I wouldn’t want to see the return of the paddle in the public educational system. To many bigots, racist, nuts, flakes and other unqualified individuals at the head of schools and class rooms these days, who themselves are not responsible for their own words or actions.

      There are of course a lot of great, dedicated teachers out there. I feel sorry for them, giving their lives to try and make a difference in a cess pool of people who never cease to put their own interest ahead of the interest of their students, the future of America.

      I say the more charter schools we have and create, the better. Skin color is completely irrelevant. And put paddles in the hands of the principles and coaches of the charter schools and allow them to use them. I got one swat when I was in school and I did not deserve it, I got it as a result of a lie told by another kid. Guess what… It did not kill me or mar my manhood or turn me into a reprobate maniacal psychopath. It burned my butt, but I got over it, mostly because I knew the coach always did his best to be fair to us kids. I believed in him even when I got the swat I didn’t deserve.

      How many kids in todays dumbed down, politically correct school systems in America would be able to say that? It was not us kids who made the difference. It was the teachers, the principles and the coaches. It may seem other wise these days and I know there are many challenges, number one being stupid parents, but unless the teachers and principles and school administrators are allowed, willing and able to do what needs to be done, it just won’t get done and the sad truth is that the union mentality on what needs to be done never considers the kids.

  • Raymond Babcock

    iam a product of our school system do i need to say more the only thing worse then our schools is are police deparements the are neck an neck on there way into the ground

    • Christin

      Raymond,

      ‘The Corrupt Police who LIE and break the laws others have to follow’ and ‘The Courts of Injustice who only arbitrate between the two parties’ are a liberal progressive nightmare.

  • Joe_ks

    If I knew who wrote this, I would be happy to give credit to whom it is due, but I don’t know who wrote it. I do believe it is worth reading so I am going to post it here:

    New Pledge of Allegiance (TOTALLY AWESOME)!

    Since the Pledge of Allegiance
    And The Lord’s Prayer Are not allowed in most Public schools anymore Because the word ‘God’ is mentioned….. A kid in Arizona wrote the attached

    NEW School prayer:

    Now I sit me down in school
    Where praying is against the rule
    For this great nation under God
    Finds mention of Him very odd.

    If scripture now the class recites,
    It violates the Bill of Rights.
    And anytime my head I bow
    Becomes a Federal matter now.

    Our hair can be purple, orange or green,
    That’s no offense; it’s a freedom scene..
    The law is specific, the law is precise.
    Prayers spoken aloud are a serious vice.

    For praying in a public hall
    Might offend someone with no faith at all..
    In silence alone we must meditate,
    God’s name is prohibited by the state.
    We’re allowed to cuss and dress like freaks,
    And pierce our noses, tongues and cheeks…

    They’ve outlawed guns, but FIRST the Bible.
    To quote the Good Book makes me liable.
    We can elect a pregnant Senior Queen,
    And the ‘unwed daddy,’ our Senior King.
    It’s ‘inappropriate’ to teach right from wrong,

    We’re taught that such ‘judgments’ do not belong..

    We can get our condoms and birth controls,
    Study witchcraft, vampires and totem poles..
    But the Ten Commandments are not allowed,
    No word of God must reach this crowd.

    It’s scary here I must confess,
    When chaos reigns the school’s a mess.
    So, Lord, this silent plea I make:
    Should I be shot; My soul please take!

    Amen

    • Christin

      Joe,
      LOVE IT !!!
      Thanks for sharing… unfortunately, it is so true.

      • Bert Cundle

        Understand Right From Wrong… Than Read the bible! NOT AS GODS WORDS FOR YOU TO OBEY!

        • Christin

          Bert,
          Are you trying to scold me?
          I DO read the Bible and know Right from Wrong…
          I am a Christian and Jesus is my Savior.

          Unfortunately, Lost kids with Lost parents will not hear of it because of Anti-God rules in the schools.

          I was also a Teacher and The Public schools which have been eliminating God from them… have to say ‘Winter Break’ not Christmas Break, teach Kwanza, Hanahka, Ramadan with the American Christmas in Social Studies, can not talk about God or Jesus unless the students bring up the topic, can’t pray in class or at a ball game… now they can’t say “Amen” either… on and on the list goes.

  • Bert Cundle

    THAT IS WHAT GOV. WALLICE WANTED TOO—- BUT THE FED’S WANTED INTERGRATION INSTEAD!!!

  • American Citizen

    It’s about time the blacks stop listening to their so-called leaders and realize they are responsible for their success in life. Reasonable demands are OK.

  • Math Guru

    THE BLACKS ARE AWAKE AT LAST. AL SHARPTION and the other old black leaders have gone under the bus by the new black young people who are so very smart to the idea of a fundemential change to the USA by a radical progressive in the WH. Obama does not care about the blacks he used this as a way to get elected and then inslave them to free handouts. The black gimmie generation is gone and so will obama soon as 2012

    • Dan az

      AMEN!

  • Ed Fisher

    You just published the bottom of the picture. Any time you have a union involved in anything, you will quickly notice production goes down and costs go up. End result – in this case – the kids do not get an education, because the teachers are not qualified – in most cases- and they can’t be fired for setting on their dead _ _ _. We have some of the same problems here in the special school district because we have the union running a lost project. The education level has been going down for many years, now the system is about broke and the kids still don’t have a decent education except to walk around with their pants falling off and shoes not laced talking with the nastiest language you can imagine, sleeping in classes and only interested in how many ball games they can play in and attend to get out of real classes to show how much of a sport they are, but not be able to perform any type of decent job when they graduate if they do.
    AND, as you said, most of them cannot read or do any sort of math past 2 + 2 and when you mention multiply something, they don’t even know what you are talking about. They have no recollection of who the first president of the United States was or when WW1 or WW11 was or Korean war, or Vietnam war. They only know how to play ball and make loud noise to irritate whom ever may be in the area.

  • DaveH
  • Thinking About

    Good to know there are not any thugs writing for this group and everything written needs to be verified. I just wonder if Palin and many of her backers was educated in schools with union teachers. There would be a good reason to think about improving our education system.

    • JeffH

      Thinking about…did you recieve a public school education?

      You wrote/said: “I just wonder if Palin and many of her backers was educated in schools with union teachers.”

      “was educated”? OKAY!

      • libertytrain

        Jeff- :)

  • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

    JeffH
    Definition of fascism:
    Oxford Dictionary:

    [mass noun]
    an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization. (in general use) extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practices.
    The term Fascism was first used of the totalitarian right-wing nationalist regime of Mussolini in Italy (1922–43); the regimes of the Nazis in Germany and Franco in Spain were also Fascist. Fascism tends to include a belief in the supremacy of one national or ethnic group, a contempt for democracy, an insistence on obedience to a powerful leader , and a strong demagogic approach[mass noun]
    an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization. (in general use) extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practices.
    The term Fascism was first used of the totalitarian right-wing nationalist regime of Mussolini in Italy (1922–43); the regimes of the Nazis in Germany and Franco in Spain were also Fascist. Fascism tends to include a belief in the supremacy of one national or ethnic group, a contempt for democracy, an insistence on obedience to a powerful leader , and a strong demagogic approach

  • Charles

    Instead of the Blacks protesting at the NAACP, they need to protest
    at the Imagration offices before the Mexicans run them out of their
    own neighborhoods. There isn`t enough housing in the white neighborhoods to house all of them that are being driven out. Wake up Black people, Imagration is hurting you more than it is hurting white people.

  • Illana Olsen

    I understand that there are poor teachers…but that is really only a fraction of the teachers in this country. Why does no one ever comment on the other side of this coin. I teach kindergarten, and I cannot begin to count the children who come to me from homes where they have NEVER been taught to be quiet and listen. No one ever reads to them. No one takes them places or talks to them about things of importance. Where they have been placed in front of a television or video game machine from the time they could sit up and watch. Most of my students have TVs and video games in their bedrooms…which means that there is precious little interaction with the adults around them. Neighborhood backyards, playgrounds and swimming pools stand empty because our children are inside sitting on their backsides “plugged in” to their virtual lives…cell phones…computers…etc. When they come to school, MANY of them simply have NO IDEA how to learn. When they do poorly or misbehave, parents come to school and blame the teacher who is trying to instill good habits…and defend the poor performance/behavior of their little “darlings.”
    Before you go placing all the blame on teachers, take a look at the other side. I am only one person dealing with the parenting behavior (or lack of it) of 20 or more families. Let’s start demanding that parents, and society in general, step up to the plate and do THEIR JOBS!!!

  • http://gunner689 gunner689

    If the NAACP, Jackson, Sharpton, and the rest of the poverty pimps trully cared about their prople there would be a drug dealer hanging from every lamp post in every city in America. They are their own worst enemies. When a voice of reason, like Bill Crosby, speaks out he is shouted down as an Uncle Tom. With the exception of those who reject the ghetto mentality I’m afraid the Negro race is a lost cause. They will always be a dependent group.

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