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Bipartisan Commission Recommends Multi-Trillion Deficit-Reduction Plan

November 17, 2010 by  

Bipartisan commission recommends multi- trillion deficit reduction planThe co-chairs of President Barack Obama's National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform have released a preliminary proposal to reduce the national deficit by $4 trillion over the next decade.

According to CNN, three quarters of the cuts would be achieved through spending reduction beginning in 2012, while the rest would be accrued through tax revenue. The report from Erskine Bowles and Alan Simpson proposes significant cuts to the defense budget, including a freeze on noncombat military pay at 2011 levels for three years and a reduction in pay to overseas bases by one-third.

In response to the report, the Aerospace Industries Association said the cuts in defense resources will compromise America's security efforts. The group added that history provides examples that cuts in defense spending were followed by the rise of threats that the U.S. was unable to meet.

Outside of the defense cuts, the proposal recommends eliminating 250,000 contractors, saving $18.4 billion, and freezing Federal pay for three years, saving $15.1 billion. In addition, the report aims to alter Social Security by lessening benefits for wealthier recipients and raising the retirement age to 68 by 2050.

The report recommends capping Federal health spending to the rate of economic growth plus 1 percent, which would limit growth of Medicaid and other health insurance subsidies.

While the the commission's framework has garnered criticism from some organizations, it has been praised by the Concord Coalition, a non-partisan advocate of fiscal responsibility.

"Bowles and Simpson have delivered a valuable and sobering fiscal reality check," said Concord Coalition executive director Robert Bixby. "Their recommendations put aside partisan rhetoric and get at the essential trade-offs we need to confront among spending, taxes and debt." 

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    http://venturepopulist.com/2010/11/lipservice-bipartisan-pro-growth-tax-policy-demagoguery/

    Capital Gains tax reform implications to job growth, angel investors and entrepreneurialism.

    • PatriotSara

      Great link, Venture Populist; thanks!

  • hsr0601

    Phase 1 : The reps & jobs
    1. Even when the economy was on the cusp of entire collapse just like Lehman Brothers ahead of the roll-out of stimulus package, it was held hostage by Audacity of Nope, and the time was running out.
    Power first said : Nope ! How do we pay for it ?, Just let him go under exactly like Lehman Brothers.
    2. It is also important to remember a small business bill that was blocked for weeks by a republican filibuster in the Senate.  
    3. Power first now says without hesitation : Extend the tax cuts for the greedy until we’re out of this recession, or for the job creation.
    Under the failed Bush tax cut for lavish bonus parties, a sole job plan for the reps, the country already saw millions of job cuts.
    And hence it’s the right time to ask themselves as to how they can pay for it.
    4. Jobs ahead in another Bush era ( = Entire Downfall ) ??
    I think D.S. is going to realize vividly how Bush era wrecked economy.
    Phase 2 : The reps Will Stomp On Middle Class & Economy.
    The SHAMELESS reps’ principal : No principal & power-only !
    1. The reps campaigned on their ability to cut spending and balance the budget, so they should be required to make good on that pledge.
    But, the Bush tax cut for the greedy will add an additional $700 billion to the deficit over a decade.
    As for the Democrats, sound investments = deficit hike.
    As for the reps, failed giveaway policy = job creation.
    2. Over the duration of healthcare debate, using the preliminary cost analysis of CBO, the reps opposed the public option stubbornly, but after the release of final score, they have been defiant on the referee.  
    Inaction cost in relation to health care reform totals $9trillion over the next decade.
    The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office estimates that reform will reduce the federal deficit by $143 billion over the next 10 years and as much as $1 trillion during the following decade
    3. In view of Medicare & Social Security :
    “Don’t Let Government Touch Your Medicare & Social Security”
    “We will instead Stomp On Your Medicare & Social Security”
    Phase 3 : Shared Sacrifice ??
    1. The flagship proposal of the commission’s chairmen is to Stomp On Medicare & Social Security, or Middle Class.
    2. Diagnosis of Cancer, Prescription for Cold ??
    The deficits have mushroomed not because of Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid but because of “two unpaid wars, tax breaks for the wealthy, a Medicare prescription drug bill written by the pharmaceutical industry, and the Wall Street bailout.”
    a. The total cost to the United States of the Iraq war at $3 trillion.
    But it appears that the $3 trillion estimate (which accounted for both government expenses and the war’s broader impact on the U.S. economy) was, if anything, too low. For example, the cost of diagnosing, treating and compensating disabled veterans has proved higher than expected.
    b. The country got here because of the bursting of an $8 trillion housing bubble. This bubble was fueled by the reckless and possibly unlawful practices of the Wall Street banks, like Morgan Stanley, the bank on whose board Bowles sits.
    Mr. Bowles is a director of Morgan Stanley, one of the bailed out Wall Street banks. He gets $335,000 a year for his work with Morgan Stanley. This may be one of the reasons that the co-chairs report did not mention a financial speculation tax as a possible source of revenue, even though financial sector taxes have been widely advocated by policy analysts around the world, including even the I.M.F.
    3. It is clear that there are a number of fair, progressive ways to reduce deficits without harming the middle class and those who have already lost their jobs, homes, life savings and ability to send their kids to college.
    A reeling housing market probably would slide further if, as recommended, Congress were to repeal the tax deduction for mortgage interest
    Calls for upping the age of retirement to 68 and later 69, charging more for Medicare, limiting the mortgage deduction and reducing increases in Social Security related to inflation, all measures guaranteed to drive Middle Class into poverty and to further jeopardize the economic recovery.
    The government can overcome its trillion-dollar-plus deficit by merely cutting “waste, fraud and abuse”, say, can balance the budget by simply undoing the disastrous policies of the Bush administration. the job-cutting proposals
    a. Why not stop the Afghanistan war at a price tag of 140 billion a year…why not reduce what U.S. spends for military 800billion a year…U.S. military budget is as big as the next 27 countries COMBINED ! Even overall US intelligence budget tops $80 billion annually.
    Weapon Sell = Mexican Drug Trafficking = Destroy all, driving global economy in a destructive direction
    And Weapon inventory is more likely to provoke constant wars.
    b. End Bush-era tax breaks for the greedy.
    c. Eliminate tax credits for big oil companies that have posted the highest profits in history, and the likes.
    Phase 4 : The choice is clear
    AS we are all aware, while many of small businesses are in financial trouble, lots of big name companies are reluctant to expand businesses, even with adequate capital.
    From what I understand, they might take into account that the country is suffering from 9.6 percent unemployment, more than 25 million people are unemployed, or have given up looking for work altogether, tens of millions of people are underwater in their mortgage and millions face the prospect of losing their home to foreclosure, and beyond, say, low demand.
    Given, the choice is clear, which one is going a long way to desperately needed job boost, tax credit for middle class or others.
     

    • steve

      wow ! this had to written by a true lib pelosi loving supporter.
      do you take your talking points from the d n c ?

      • 45caliber

        He got them from Kos and Huffington, I think. And all are basically wrong.

    • thinking

      hsr0601
      Ha ha this is funny! Bush tax breaks for the greedy! Was that the middle class or the poor? By the way I think everyone would be considered greedy as who really wants to pay all these taxes? Why is it wrong to want to keep what you earn? If the Dems are so wonderful how come we keep getting more and more poor? The majority of the last 20 years the Dems have been in control, but the Repubs have not always done their job either. Could you imagine how fuel prices would go up and cost would skyrocket with the Dems(Obama) cap and trade and (Obama) Vat (tax on everything). My American dream is to be able to pay my taxes so my house is not taken from me for failure to pay the taxes. That I have some money left to pay for medical bills. I know I can count on the government to give me grocery money if I go bust, wow! Then those who still have jobs can support me. Thanks Obama

      • 45caliber

        You can only get money as long as you have a place to live. Once your house is foreclosed, you can’t draw another penny until you get another place to live. Apartments count but …

    • kenneth

      Here we go again it’s all Bushes fault, and the way out is to reverse everything that Bush did. What a bunch of bunk. You never mentioned the stuff the Democrats have done through the years to provoke this economic collapse. Didn’t even mention really one thing that the Democrats were responsible for. That right there tells me all I need to know about your assertions of what has happened what needs to occur. Let me ask you some questions. What party has for years been passing bill after bill for entitlements we can’t pay for. What party passed bills which has encouraged the transfer of jobs over seas or off the coast so they can get around taxes. What party has stopped the illegal flow of illegals in to America viva New Mexico? Why was Acorn and other special interest groups who favor the liberal ideas of spreading the wealth allowed to go into banks to push toxic subprime loans for people who couldn’t afford to even turn on the electricity to the house they were given a loan for. Where was Barney Frank and Chris Dodds during the time when Alan Greenspan and President Bush asked to look into the obvious problems that Fattie Mia and Freddie Mac were starting to show? What problem are we still dealing with because of this lack of oversight and protectionism from regulation? How many trillion have we lost because of this little experiment that the liberals have been pushing year after year masked as spreading the wealth? Don’t spout your b/s without looking at some very obvious reasons of why we as Americans are where we are now. The Liberals ideology has done nothing to help the middle or lower income Americans. All they have done is compound the problem.

      • eddie47d

        You’re comments were about as lopsided as hsr0601′s, (he blames Repub’s and you blame Dem’s).This nation is split like an old oak tree after being hit by lightning. A whole bunch of compromising is needed if we are to hold together.

        • Brad

          So eddie47d, what you are saying it’s both sides fault and we need to work as one nation to fix our problems?

          • Karolyn

            What a concept!

      • Bob Wire

        “You never mentioned the stuff the Democrats have done through the years to provoke this economic collapse.”

        hmm? nor have you ~ but only to infer it.

        So? do you still beat the wife?

        • Brad

          Bob Wire stated-“You never mentioned the stuff the Democrats have done through the years to provoke this economic collapse.”

          hmm? nor have you ~ but only to infer it.

          So? do you still beat the wife?

          Your last point is so off topic, you make yourself look incredibally stupid.

          Over time FDR kept the great depression going because of government medaling, Carter gave Reagan a recession and by the way Carter did sign into law CRA. Clinton tweeked CRA to soften regulation and accouting by the banks, ie;

          In early 1993 President Bill Clinton ordered new regulations for the CRA which would increase access to mortgage credit for inner city and distressed rural communities. The new rules went into effect on January 31, 1995 and featured: requiring strictly numerical assessments to get a satisfactory CRA rating; using federal home-loan data broken down by neighborhood, income group, and race; encouraging community groups to complain when banks were not loaning enough to specified neighborhood, income group, and race; allowing community groups that marketed loans to targeted groups to collect a fee from the banks.

          The new rules, during a time when many banks were merging and needed to pass the CRA review process to do so, substantially increased the number and aggregate amount of loans to low- and moderate-income borrowers for home loans, some of which were “risky mortgages. Banks set up CRA departments, a CRA consultant industry was created and new financial-services firms helped banks invest in packaged portfolios of CRA loans to ensure compliance. Established and new community groups began marketing such mortgages. The Senate Banking Committee estimated that as of 2000, as a result of CRA, such groups had received $9.5 billion in services and salaries. As of that time such groups also had received tens of billions of dollars in multi-year commitments from banks, including ACORN Housing $760 million; Boston-based Neighborhood Assistance Corporation of America $3 billion; a New Jersey Citizen Action-led coalition $13 billion; the Massachusetts Affordable Housing Alliance $220 million. The number of CRA mortgage loans increased by 39 percent between 1993 and 1998, while other loans increased by only 17 percent.

          The CRA was public policy that DROVE the market. To cast a blind eye that obvious econic fact and simply blame “the profit motive” is ludicrous.

          It is equally ludicrious to blame Wall Street and investment banks when what they did was buy up the risky mortgages that became so prevelant in the market place.

          Granted, no one intened to lose money, but, to lay blame on capitalism when the real source of the problem was government in the first place indicates to me a fundamental lack of economic understanding.

          Finally, There never were laws that would prevent lenders from making bad loans. Nothing was deregulated by the Bush Administration in that regard. Lenders did their best to not make bad loans.

          Then the Clinton Administration rewrote the CRA to REQUIRE loans be made to low credit quality borrowers. And engaged FNMA and FRE to buy these loans.

          In order to make loans and homes more affordable for lower income borrowers the unusual loan products were developed. Interest only, Option ARM, and the low teaser rate products were answers to helping people who did not otherwise qualify get a home, as REQUIRED by CRA. These low standards for qualification were applied to everyone who wanted a mortgage.

          Credit Default swaps are insurance for bonds. I buy insurance on most of my assets. Insurance is available for equity investments through the options market. The end result is that it can make the investment much more sound.

          The problem developed when CDS written on the pools of home loans were found to be badly mispriced. Why? The borrowers did not meet the historic standards of the homeowner of the past. It was not the CDS market that caused the problem, it was the terrible result of the low underwriting standards and the high default rates that brought on.

          My last part of this long comment is, the Bush II administration tried 7 times to have congress rein in fannie and freddie but Barney Frank and Chris Dodd would have nothing to do with it. Both would state there is nothing wrong with either organization but they controlled how banks loaned money to tom, dick or harry and secured their assets through federal gaurantees.

          • 45caliber

            Brad:

            You must be too young to get the “do you still beat your wife?” thing.

            It is a Groucho Marx thing he used on some of his shows. He wanted a yes or no answer – and if you look at the question, both are wrong.

      • BigBadJohn

        What party has for years been passing bill after bill for entitlements we can’t pay for.

        Republicans – prescription drug plan – huge entitlement with no way to pay for it.

        What party passed bills which has encouraged the transfer of jobs over seas or off the coast so they can get around taxes.

        Republicans again – they controlled congress and the senate while these tax giveaways occurred.

        What party has stopped the illegal flow of illegals in to America viva New Mexico?

        Neither – The number of illegal immigrants increased by 32% under Bush

        Why was Acorn and other special interest groups who favor the liberal ideas of spreading the wealth allowed to go into banks to push toxic subprime loans for people who couldn’t afford to even turn on the electricity to the house they were given a loan for.

        Acorn is a voter registration group…. As for the rest of your twisted beliefs read this:
        http://www.businessweek.com/investing/insights/blog/archives/2008/09/community_reinvestment_act_had_nothing_to_do_with_subprime_crisis.html

        • Brad

          The hard true facts democrats have approved more social program bills that have picked at the pockets of every single American for over 75 year’s starting with SS.

          You talk about the persciption drug plan, now what about Ohmamacare, seems to me that Clinton signed NAFTA into law allowing jobs to go over sea’s.

          The so called tax giveaways spured growth in the US starting in 2003, the GDP was growing at a rate of 3.25% annually, unemployment dropped for the first time below 5% that was during bush’s watch. Not everything can be said he was good, there were deals made that upset average Americans and cost them money.

          One point I can make which is fact, Bush’s budgit deficit’s were coming down but when the democrats took over congress in Jan 07 discretionary spending went through the roof, all approved by the democrat controlled congress and signed into law by Bush. So I do blame the dems for our troubles but at the same time I blame Bush for being week and not standing up to Pelosi and crowd.

          • 45caliber

            When Bush was governor of Texas, the EPA ruled that we had to have certain car inspection tests that new cars couldn’t pass. If they didn’t pass, we couldn’t drive the car. Bush put the tests on hold and the EPA informed him that if he didn’t do them, they could cut all Federal tax money going to Texas. Bush replied that if they did cut the money, he’d padlock the IRS offices in Austin – which handles all taxes for Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, and Louisiana. The EPA backed down.

            That is why I voted for him. I expected him to do the same thing in Washington but he didn’t. I am very disappointed in his performance there, particularly in the last two years.

          • BigBadJohn

            “One point I can make which is fact, Bush’s budgit deficit’s were coming down but when the democrats took over congress in Jan 07 discretionary spending went through the roof,”

            Better check your “FACT”
            Historical record of pork barrel spending

            #projects $$in Billions

            2004 10656 22.9
            2005 13,997 27.3
            2006 9963 29
            2007 2658 13.2
            2008 11610 17.2
            2009 10160 19.6
            2010 9129 16.5

            http://www.cagw.org/reports/pig-book/#trends

            all Discretionary spending – it went down from 2006 levels right up to 2009.
            http://www.epi.org/page/-/pdf/ib272.pdf

          • BigBadJohn

            “One point I can make which is fact, Bush’s budgit deficit’s were coming down but when the democrats took over congress in Jan 07 discretionary spending went through the roof,”

            Better check your “FACT”
            Historical record of pork barrel spending

            #projects $$in Billions

            2004 10656 22.9
            2005 13,997 27.3
            2006 9963 29
            2007 2658 13.2
            2008 11610 17.2
            2009 10160 19.6
            2010 9129 16.5

            http://www.cagw.org/reports/pig-book/#trends

          • BigBadJohn

            all Discretionary spending – it went down from 2006 levels right up to 2009.
            http://www.epi.org/page/-/pdf/ib272.pdf

          • allison

            Do you know where we get if we try to blame all the problems on the Democratic party or the Republican party ? EXACTLY NO WHERE. Both parties have politicians that will do anything to make themselves look good to their voters (and to line their own pockets). The longer they stay in Washington the more fraudulent they become. Does anyone anywhere think Charlie Rangel was an honest politician working for what was good for the Country ?
            A large part of the reason for the recent losses by the politicians in Washington was that voters realized what was happening there was not aligned toward improvement for the Country. It was aligned toward increasing the politicians power and money (To hell with the Citizen).
            This is why term limits on Federal (and State) politicians is needed. Two terms is what the President has. If he can not get his programs done within that time it is time to give someone else a chance. Two terms is plenty for a Senator, perhaps 5 terms (10 years) for someone on the House. If theycan’t get their programs done by the end of these limits then lets get someone in there that can be effective.

        • James

          Entitlements were started – big time- by FDR’s solid democratic Congress, namely, the Social Security Act of 1934.

        • home boy

          what party has had control of the house and senate for the last 4 years and could have done anything they wanted and did jack that would help the country. get it into your thick head , the system does not work and never will because man is not perefect and he is corrupt.

        • Rich

          FYI back in 03-04 there were two prescription drug bills introduced – one by each party. That was back in the pre Pelosi days when the Speaker of the House allowed bills to be introduced through committtee by either party. The cost estimate on the Republican bill was $400 billion over ten years. The estimate on the Dem bill was 1 trillion over ten years. The less costly version was passed, so don’t talk about how the Republicans created an unfunded liability implying the Dems were opposed. They wanted a bigger liability. Also, you might want to think about the value of a bill. Helping seniors get their presriptions is a positive thing for America. Take a look at what came out of the one party system that the Dems jammed down everybody”s throats during the last two years to pay back their wealthy supporters and the unions. That’s a negative thing for America. You’re right. We have to pay for both of them, but I don’t mind helping your parents or grandparents pay for their prscriptions. I do get mad about having to reduce my lifestyle to pay unproductive government and union workers to maintain a standard of living double that of the rest of the private sector through their inflated wages and ridiculous pensions.

      • http://Alaska Wild Bill

        It was reported earlier today that Michelle Obama is pregnant,When queried by reporters as to his feelings the Obamster replied “It is Bush’s fault,Oh wait,what was the question again?”.

        Wild Bill
        Alaska

        • 45caliber

          I like …

    • FlaJim

      Another raving ranting liberal armed with talking points but no facts.

      Does ‘tax cuts for the greedy’ mean that exceeding a certain income level equates to greed? Is that geographically adjusted? After all, the cost of living in Manhattan is far higher than Twitty, TX.

      If facts don’t befuddle you too much, look at the job creation while Bush and the GOP ran the federal government. It far exceeded the estimates of ‘experts.’ Look at the figurs for jobs lost under a Dem regime. They had a celebration when ‘only’ 75,000 lost their jobs a few months ago. How blessed one of those newly unemployed must have felt that there were only 74,999 in his shoes.

      You’re a rambler and need help in getting your thoughts straight. In the meantime, you might be better off copying your talking point word for word from the Huffington Post or Daily Kos instead of trying to ad lib.

      • Steve

        Has anyone ever heard any of the Democrats even mentioning “cutting spending”…they won’t say it or do it….instead their motus operandi is to constantly find as many new fees and taxes to impose and enslave the America people…all so they can keep their “spend tax payer money as usual”….at least the Republicians are talking about ending things like earmarks….

        • Bob Wire

          “Bipartisan Commission Recommends Multi-Trillion Deficit-Reduction Plan”

          A~hmm?

          • 45caliber

            And I see that part of these spending reductions is more taxes. It doesn’t sound like spending reductions to me.

    • SiliconDoc

      ” c. Eliminate tax credits for big oil companies that have posted the highest profits in history, and the likes. ”

      As I understand it, and have seen for quite some time, with our barely 5%+ oil companies of the world position, it is the GOVERNMENT that already takes 10X the oil companies “exhorbitant profits” in the form of TAXES on EVERY gallon of gas at every pump in the USA. (except the farmers of course).

      So you whine about taxing our nearly gone when it comes to total world oil companies, yet the very government you want to tax them with already rakes in at least 10X the amount of “profit” you use as a “reasoned whine” to tax them even more – which in all honesty could only be a TINY PORTION of the gigantic government taxes eveyone already pays at the pump for every dang car n driver in the entire USofA !

      Why are you people SO INSANE, and SO STUPID ?

  • http://none Mike

    Another dog and pony show for the U.S. people I notice there is no mention of doing away with the healthcare debacle or unconstitonal departments in that.Or maby secureing our borders and stopping freebies for illegals. No real reform. But then again No Real Supprise. Mike L.

    • Teresa

      Exactly, or the President and his administration cutting back. Or the Justice Dept. cutting back on their outragious investigations when their the ones that need to be investigated. Or all the bail outs..such as CA, why do we keep bailing out a state that keeps passing such ignorant laws? THE UNIONS is a huge one. Here is a interesting fact.
      Remember way back, way, way back, to a year and a half ago, when auto dealerships were closing all over the country. Everyone wondered how they were making decisions on which dealerships would close (and people would lose their jobs) and which would not. I even went so far as to call a local dealership because I was worried about the people who would be out of jobs as a result of it. Turns out there is an explanation for which dealerships were put on the chopping block and it had NOTHING to do with which ones were profitable or which ones were a valuable service to their communities. Even though this is a long explanation, it is all true and you can find it all on the internet with a few Google searches. Sorry I didn’t include all of the links but the grandkids are here and I didn’t have the time.
      Chrysler’s Railroad
      This could be a scandal of epic proportions and one that makes Nixon’s Watergate or Clinton ‘s Monica Lewinsky affair pale by comparison. Whywas there neither rhyme nor reason as to which dealerships of the Chrysler Corporation were to be closed?
      Roll the clock back to the weeks just before Chrysler declared bankruptcy. Chrysler, like GM, was in dire financial straits and federal government “graciously” offered to “buy the company” and keep them out of bankruptcy and “save jobs.”
      Chrysler was, in the words of Obama and his administration,
      “Too big to fail,” same story with GM.
      The feds organized their “Automotive Task Force” to fix Chrysler and GM. Obama, in an act that is 100% unconstitutional, appointed a guy named Steve Rattner to be the White House’s official Car Czar – literally, that’s what his title is.
      Rattner is the liaison between Obama, Chrysler, and GM.
      Initially, the national media reported that Chrysler ‘had made this list of dealerships’. Not true!
      The Washington Examiner, Newsmax, Fox News and a host of other news agencies discovered that the list of dealerships was put together by the “Automotive Task Force” headed by no one other than Mr. Steve Rattner.
      Now the plot thickens.
      Remember earlier we said that there was neither rhyme nor reason why certain dealerships were closed?
      Actually there’s a very interesting pattern as to who was closed down. Again, on May 27, 2009, The Washington Examiner and Newsmax exposed the connection.
      Amazingly, of the 789 dealerships closed by the federal government, 788 had donated money, exclusively to Republican political causes, while contributing nothing to Democratic political causes. The only “Democratic” dealership on the list was found to have donated $7,700 to Hillary’s campaign, and a bit over $2,000 to John Edwards. This same dealership, reportedly, also gave $200.00 to Obama’s campaign.
      Does that seem a little odd to you?
      Steve Rattner is the guy who put the list together. Well, he happens to be married to a Maureen White.
      Maureen happens to be the former national finance chairman of the Democratic National Committee. As such, she has access to campaign donation records from everyone in the nation- Republican or Democrat. But of course, this is just a wacky “coincidence,” we’re certain.
      Then comes another really wacky “coincidence.”
      On that list of dealerships being closed down, a weird thing happened in Arkansas , North Louisiana , and Southern Missouri. It seems that Bill Clinton’s former White House Chief of Staff, Mack McClarty, owns a chain of dealerships in that region, partnered with a fellow by the name of Robert Johnson. Johnson happens to be founder of Black Entertainment Television and was a huge Obama supporter and financier.
      These guys own a half dozen Chrysler stores under the company title of RLJ-McClarty-Landers. Interestingly, none of their dealerships were ordered closed – not one!
      While all of their competing Chrysler/Dodge and Jeep dealership were! Eight dealerships located near the dealerships owned by McClarty and Johnson were ordered shut down.
      Thus by pure luck, these two major Obama supporters now have virtual MONOPOLY on Chrysler sales in their zone. Isn’t that amazing?
      Go look in The Washington Examiner, the story’s there, and it’s in a dozen or so other web-based news organizations; this isn’t being made up.
      Now if you thought Chrysler was owned by Fiat, you are mistaken. Under the federal court ruling, 65% of Chrysler is now owned by the federal government and the United Auto Workers union!
      Fiat owns 20%.
      The other 15% is still privately owned and presumably will be traded on the stock market. Obama smiles and says he doesn’t want to run the auto industry.
      As horrifying as this is to comprehend, and being as how this used to be the United States of America , it would appear that the president has the power to destroy private businesses and eliminate upwards of 100,000 jobs just because they don’t agree with his political agenda.
      This is stuff you see on the news happening in other countries where there are DICTATORS, and it’s happening right here, right now, in our back yard.
      There are voices in Washington demanding an explanation, but the “Automotive Task Force” has released no information to the public or to any of the senators demanding answers for what has been done.

      Benjamin Franklin had it right when he said, “All that’s necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”

      Car Czar No More

      An amazing thing happened as this story was going to press. Obama’s Car Czar, Steve Rattner, resigned on July 13 and was promptly replaced by former steel workers union boss Ron Bloom.

      According to CBS News, Rattner left “to return to private life and
      spend time with his family.”

      Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner said, “I hope that he takes another opportunity to bring his unique skills to government service in the future.”
      By the way, Rattner is under investigation for a multi-million dollar pay-to-play investment bank scandal in New York … Uh-oh!
      But, we’re certain that had nothing to do with his resignation.
      And, according to several news sources out there, there are rumors he’s being investigated for what could be pay-to-play scandal involving the closing of Chrysler and GM dealerships. Really? Again, that couldn’t have anything to with his resignation-that’s ridiculous! Like CBS said, this guy just wants to “spend more quality time with his family.”
      Obama has 32 personally appointed “czars” who answer to no one but him, all of whom are acting without any Constitutional authority. But hey, we’re sure they all have “unique skills,”……as Tim Geithner likes to say!

      SOOOOO.
      This goes beyond corruption in high places – to gross criminal actions on the part of our government!

      I hope you will spread this far and wide, and hopefully the taxpaying public will demand some of that transparency we were promised……followed by criminal prosecution of the perpetrators!

      “But we have forgotten God. We have forgotten the gracious Hand which preserved us in peace, and multiplied and enriched and strengthened us; and we have vainly imagined, in the deceitfulness of our hearts, that all these blessings were produced by some superior wisdom and virtue of our own.” – Abraham Lincoln

      • kenneth

        That is what you call true Liberalism, banking on Communism. Good information my friend. This is the kind of B/S we can expect from this administration and he sure has left his lefty friends down now has he. We are just finding out all of the goodies they have put in the Obama health care bill. Stuff that doesn’t even pertain to health. Now why would that be in there hiding in that 1200 page bill. Oh I am sure it’s just some of that kind of work Gitter just loves. Creativity!!!!Or should we dare call it corruption.

        • 45caliber

          I wonder who will control the government’s share of the car industry when Oblama leaves. In fact, who collects the government’s share of the profits (if any) now, for that matter.

          • Teresa

            Good question!

    • Bob Wire

      Well the health care bill will not be resented as big of a debacle you might consider it to be.

      but I read “The report recommends capping Federal health spending to the rate of economic growth plus 1 percent, which would limit growth of Medicaid and other health insurance subsidies.”

      • ValDM

        Capping? Read: rationing, death squads, long waits, and the list goes on.

        • ValDM

          REPEAL OBAMACARE. That’s my point. I don’t need some bureaucratic panel to tell me what I need or not. If Obamacare is not repealed, we will be adding another 100K-200K employees. Sound like down-sizing and cutting to you?

          • Warrior

            Val – you’re being too generous. We’re talking about millions of patronage (union) jobs in HC. That is the end game for the progressives.

          • 45caliber

            I agree with you. In fact, the number I’ve heard is 1/6 of the total national gross income being controlled by the government.

  • http://www.piedmontwebmasterservices.com Dan

    I am sure they are going to bring it all up as a single package and of course that would mean defeat and that is a good thing. Military members make about half of what the average government worker makes, yet I see no pay freezes for government works. Freeze government workers pay and increase military pay. Sure, our military budget is the highest in the world and that is why we have the best military in the world, bar none.
    Why can they simply look at all expenditures the government currently makes and do something about it one bill at a time. Broadband spending freezes and cuts and whatever have never worked. Smaller government is cheaper government.

    • James

      All salaries should be frozen. There’s no rational reason for every employee to get an annual pay raise for doing the same amount of work. Annual pay raises are nothing but pure inflation, they simply raise up all prices commensurately.

      • 45caliber

        Annual pay raises are SUPPOSED to keep you up with inflation. It seems that those in the government want to insure they stay ahead of inflation even if the rest of us don’t.

        Back in 1973 or so, there was a wage/price freeze. A government official was sent to ‘explain’ this to the local business leaders.

        He made such a good pitch for it that he was asked why we just didn’t keep it from then on. After a lot of hemming and hawing he final stated that the government NEEDED the inflation because it allowed an automatic tax increase each year without the need for Congress to vote on it. Your wages would go up and so would the amount of tax you paid.

    • 45caliber

      Dan: some time back the government discovered that the military wasn’t being paid much. Surprise, surprise. In fact I had just gotten out. Starting pay for the military was $87 a month. When I got out my rank (SP4) was $220 a month. They decided to increase the pay levels.

      The government employees immediately rebelled. They insisted they needed a large pay increase too because “historically, government workers were paid doubt what military personnel were paid”.

      So … the government gave them the raises too. And guess where we stand today? You’ve already said it – they are paid twice (or more) what the military is paid.

  • BOB

    WHAT ABOUT CONGRESS. NO PAY OR EXPENSE CUTS. HOW ABOUT THE PRES TRAVELING ALL OVER IN THAT GAS HOG747 OR OUR SPEAKER WITH HER PRIVIATE AF PLANE THAT IS NOT LARGER ENOUGH TO ENTERTAIN HER COHORTS. IS IT NOT THE RESPONSIBILITY OF OUR LEADERS TO SET THE EXAMPLE OF COST CUTTING AND BETTER EFFECIENCY? EAR MARKS WOULD BE A GOOD START AND I HOPE THIS WILL RESULT IN FUTURE COST CUTTING THAT WILL IMPROVE DEFICIT.

    • Bob Wire

      The question mark key “?” is located center second row and adds dimension to your writing BOB, Caps are for Pronouns, names of persons, places or things and used at the beginning of sentences so we can easily find the “beginning” of your thoughts and understand what you offer.

      This is a standard, writing forum we all use with “tiny” variations, “~”

      We enjoy everyone’s thoughts and want you’re posts to be understood.

      It takes a little practice in the beginning to find them all, but in no time you will be zipping along with confidence.

      Welcome ~ and I agree with you, Congressional and Senate leaders needs to subject themselves to the same medicine as they apply to everyone else if the have any intentions of offering leadership.

      As for the expenses for any President to move about the world, we must endure that as a Nation as excessive as it may seem to be.

      • 45caliber

        I was always taught that a leader was supposed to LEAD. In other words they were in the forefront. It seems our national ‘leaders’ prefer to remain in the back, preferably far far back – so far back that none of the laws or taxes they pass affect them at all. Time to change that.

        • Teresa

          Have you ever researched how much a congressman makes, him, his family after they leave office. Their retirement funds, their medical insurance policies?
          You would be surprised!
          Wake up America!

      • Vigilant

        OK, Bob Wire, as long as we’re giving punctuation lessons, let’s look at grammar and spelling:

        “The question mark key “?” is located center second row and adds dimension to your writing BOB, Caps are for Pronouns, names of persons, places or things and used at the beginning of sentences so we can easily find the “beginning” of your thoughts and understand what you offer.”

        Should be “question mark key (?), not “?”.

        “adds dimension to your writing BOB, Caps are for Pronouns, names of persons, places or things.”

        A semicolon or period is appropriate after the word “BOB.” If a period is used, “Caps” would be capitalized and “pronouns” would be lower case.

        “This is a standard, writing forum we all use with “tiny” variations,”

        Comma unnecessary, confuses the meaning. Quotation marks unnecessary.

        “We enjoy everyone’s thoughts and want you’re posts to be understood.”

        The proper word is “your,” not “you’re.” “Your” is possessive, “you’re” is a contraction for “you are.”

        “Welcome ~ and I agree with you, Congressional and Senate leaders needs to subject themselves to the same medicine…”

        “Leaders” is plural, should read “need to subject themselves.”

        “As for the expenses for any President to move about the world, we must endure that as a Nation as excessive as it may seem to be.”

        The word “nation” is not capitalized.

        To parody your remark, it takes a little study of the English language to find them all, but in no time you will be zipping along with confidence.

        • Vigilant

          Oh, and pronouns are not capitalized.

          Wake up, cut the s**t, and stop nit-picking the posting efforts of others in an attempt to show you have a knowledge that is obviously lacking.

  • steve

    tax the rich,cut their ss ? redistribution again ? lockbox all contributions to ss amd m c.
    cut all aliens off all benefits,send them home to limit crime in our country.

    • Steve

      How about no ID…no Vote…no vote…need for Dems to embrace illegal immigration….no services for illegals….being an American citizen needs to be valued!!!….

      • Karolyn

        I have voted in two states in my life, NJ and SC, and in both states ID is necessary to vote. The ID is also checked against the voter registry. Is it not that way in all states?

        • Bob Wire

          it is in Texas

          • Teresa

            It is in Tennessee

        • libertytrain

          Wasn’t asked of me when I voted in NC a few weeks back, just asked my name and address. No identification required of me. Wish there was.

          • Karolyn

            liberty – Did they check your name against a list?

          • libertytrain

            Yes they said my name back to me after they asked for it – – doesn’t or didn’t prove it was me…my neighbor, etc. could have said they were me.

          • Claire

            libertytrain–In Illinois all they do is ask your name and check it against a list, but I do have to sign my name. Other than that, nothing.
            Sincerely hope your father is doing okay.

          • libertytrain

            Claire – he was better when I was there with him last week -
            I know I didn’t sign anything at the place I voted this time through – but I have in years past.

        • 45caliber

          It is in Texas and was in Arkansas where I used to vote. I don’t know now since Clinton happened after I left.

  • concerned grandma

    as per – Jeff Harding’s suggested fixes for the economy:
    1.Stop all government stimulus programs immediately. They are a waste, create no lasting benefit, and result only in a burden on present and future taxpayers and are a drag on the economy.
    2.Encourage savings rather than consumption. Immediately repeal taxes on interest and dividend income. Allow all citizens to put an unlimited amount of savings into tax free vehicles like IRAs. Tax them only on the cash removed from the vehicle. (I would opt for a different tax structure entirely, but, let’s work within the system for now).
    3.End all federal programs that encourage consumption, such as Cash for [Your industry here] and home buyer tax credits or subsidies. End Fannie, Freddie, Ginnie, and the FHA, and the myriad of other government backed loan guarantee programs.
    4.Let banks fail. Require banks to mark-to-market the assets securing their loans, and raise more capital or go out of business. Establish a program similar to the Resolution Trust Corporation (RTC) to quickly dispose of the assets of failed banks. Substantially raise leverage requirements for banks.
    5.End or suspend tax policies that require borrowers to incur phantom income as a result of real estate debt relief.
    6.Immediately raise the Federal Funds rate to stabilize money supply. We are in great danger of creating another boom-bust cycle, actually I think we are headed for a bust-bust (lose-lose) cycle of stagflation.
    7.Pass legislation that would prevent the government from bailing out private institutions. There is no such thing as too big to fail. It is a myth created out of the Great Panic of 2008, when Paulson and Bernanke panicked. We are now suffering the consequences whereby the bailed out institutions are still taking risks yet we are saddled with the cost of these programs. Let Citi or Morgan Stanley or AIG go down and there will be fewer gamblers in the future (“moral hazard”). Don’t believe the propaganda that we can’t do without them. They confuse Wall Street with the economy.
    8.Immediately cut all government spending 20% across the board, including the military. This should just be the start.
    9.Repeal Obama Care as soon as possible before an entitlement mentality sets in.
    10.Reform the Medicare structure by getting rid of the government as the manager of the system and give the elderly a voucher to spend on private health insurance.
    11.Reform Social Security by capping benefits now, push retirement ages out further, allow private option investment by young taxpayers, and prevent Congress from spending FICA payments.
    And More -
    1. Garnish wages and retirement checks on the 97,000 government employees/retirees who owe back taxes.
    2. Sell excess federal lands.
    3. Cut federal employee salaries to align within the private sector.
    4. Reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
    5. Eliminate subsidies to NPR, PBS, ACORN, the unions. They should compete with the private sector or cease to exist.
    6. Eliminate/disband overlapping federal bureaucracies. (Does anyone remember President Carter’s “US Department of Energy”?) The federal bureaucracy continues to grow demanding ever more in taxes.
    Just a few concerns and thoughts.

    • eddie47d

      I don’t agree with all your assessments but most of them. At least you have your thinking cap on,so Atta girl.

      • Vigilant

        I’m surprised eddie, there may yet be some hope for you as a conservative.

    • kenneth

      Good stuff. Awesome. Now we are talking America.

    • Karolyn

      Why are you posting this here? Why don’t you send it to your congressmen? What good is it doing here?

      • Vigilant

        What a ridiculous thing to say. Are you into thought control now?

        BTW, the posting is very appropriate.

    • Karolyn

      From what I’ve heard, the only cuts that will make a dent are to the military and Social Security. Even foreign aid is small change. And before anybody asks, the info was from independent experts, but I didn’t get their names or affiliations. Sufficeth it to say they are economics nerds.

      • 45caliber

        Karolyn:

        Welfare is the top expense. SS isn’t really an expense yet IF you can keep Congress from robbing it each year. The real problem is that they want to take out the money they want BEFORE they pay it to the retirees – and everyone else they pay the money to. The military should get even more of the budget since they are our defense. Foreign aid was enough to balance the budget for years; I’m not sure what it is now but it still isn’t minor – not when they give several countries several billion a year each. There are several billion given to “charities” and other non-profit groups like ACORN that should be stopped. And I’m sure I can come up with a lot more.

        • Karolyn

          I think the cuts to the military referred to are in the form of “Quit fighting other people’s wars.” There is also a lot of waste in the military budget, especially money paid to contractors. If the military just went back to having the soldiers do KP, preparing and serving all the food, there would be a tremendous savings. Also, we shouldn’t be hiring “mercenaries”, professional soldiers. I can imagine wht that costs us.

          • Vigilant

            Good God, Karolyn. ALL of our armed forces are professionals, or “mercenaries” as you so unkindly put it.

            Have you been asleep like Rip Van Winkle? We haven’t had a draft in decades, or is that what you’re advocating?

          • Karolyn

            Vigilant – I am speaking of contracted soldiers. I can’t remember the name of the company out of NC. These guys are paid $600 per day according to a comment on govexec.com. There is something wrong with this picture!

          • eddie47d

            Xe or Blackwater is a mercenary group for hire. Now go back to sleep Vigilante!

          • 45caliber

            Karolyn:
            Blackwater was hired because Clinton had cut our military so badly they couldn’t fight the war by themselves.

            As a matter of fact, Congress decided after WWII to maintain an army that could fight on two fronts at the same time as they had to do in the war. However, the present army can’t fight on ONE front, much less two. There isn’t enough manpower and they can’t get decent equipment any more. Even during a war. In fact, any soldiers who are not posted to a large base has to have someone send them things like razor blades, soap, etc. The military is no longer to provide it since it “costs too much”. If you feel patriotic, send them some. We have several organizations in this area that do all the time.

          • eddie47d

            Caliber; There is no point in hiring mercenaries for they cost 5-10 times more than a regular volunteer. Why would anyone join the Services if they can get paid much more for the same work with a private contractor? Now that is a waste of taxpayer money.

    • 45caliber

      I agree. And I see you didn’t include cutting the military – which I also agree about. I’ve sent similar lists to my Senators and generally get back something along the lines of: “We are glad to see your comments and we will certainly cut where we can.” Which doesn’t mean they are going to do a thing on any of this. At least my Congressman tries – he is Ron Paul.

  • Michael

    This country has a Dept of Energy that has no clue about this area, a Dept of Education that is like wise ineffective and HUD that does something that no one understands or needs. Let these 3 worthless cabinet posts be abolished as a start and see if that will save more than the few pennies proposed by this commission. Get the troops out of Europe and let the EU have the army they so desperately want and see if they can pay for it.

    • 45caliber

      HUD? Man, Michael, you really want to put a lot of people in trouble!

      Back during Carter’s day, the head of HUD wanted to get a law passed that would finance blacks getting new million dollar homes on the grounds that the rich could afford to segregate themselves.

      Instead, she simply had HUD take care of it. Blacks (only) could get a member of HUD to go with them to a bank to arrange a loan. HUD would calculate what the family could afford – perhaps $100 a month payment. They would then escort the family to look over expensive housing. When a house was selected (at least $150,000 then – no top limit), they would go back to the bank. HUD would pay the bank a down payment of 15% and would pay all the house payment except the $100 a month. If the family kept the house for 6 months they could resell the house and anything received over the loan value was theirs.

      All these poor people would be in trouble if HUD was ended, I’m sure.

      Don’t you feel bad about it?

      Frankly, I think all three of these should be stopped – and I’d add Homeland Security to that list too. After all, that is what our military is supposed to be for.

    • 45caliber

      We REALLY need a sarcasm font on this, don’t we?

  • Mick

    Michael says:
    November 17, 2010 at 11:43 am
    This country has a Dept of Energy that has no clue about this area, a Dept of Education that is like wise ineffective and HUD that does something that no one understands or needs. Let these 3 worthless cabinet posts be abolished as a start and see if that will save more than the few pennies proposed by this commission. Get the troops out of Europe and let the EU have the army they so desperately want and see if they can pay for it.

    *************************************
    Michael,,,,,You definiteely have my way of thinking…
    The department of education comes first, they have drained the tax payers purses for decades and are producing little liberal morons.
    of course a lot of the problems we have when it comes to spending money has a lot to do with the unions.
    People have to start realizing that they are not on their side, unions only use their workers money to push their agenda then come crying to the rest of the population to come and bail them out after using the people retirement funds to promote the democrats…get a clue folks…..

    • Vigilant

      Dept. of Education is a misnomer. It has drained billions of taxpayers dollars to support teacher’s unions and exists more as a lobby than a cabinet position that favors true improvements to education.

      Milton Friedman once said, “The president of the National Education Association was once asked when his union was going to do something about students. He replied that when the students became members of the union, the union would take care of them.”

      The Dept. of Education is no better.

    • Kenny Manning

      What’s with the union bashing. My self and 9 family members before me were all life long union contruction members. Me and one other family member are the only ones still alive and because of our union retirement we both make much more a year than we did working. My union educated me for my career, supplied medical, dental, vision insurance for my family and one terrific retirement. All Americans could have these benefits, but most decide to go it on their own. From 1999 to 2009 the average 401K lost 43%, but not my social security or my union pension. United we stand, divided we fall.

      • Vigilant

        “Me and one other family member are the only ones still alive and because of our union retirement we both make much more a year than we did working.”

        That’s one of the very reasons unions are bashed.

        The rest of us are paying for your cushy retirement, via the cost of products and services.

        • Kenny Manning

          It’s called supply and demand and it’s a principle of capitalism. Why are you bitter that my union invested my contributions for the good of me and my family? Why, when a working class person, through dedication, hard work and loyalty, gets a piece of the American dream, do you bash them? I am very fortunate to be living the American dream of financial security in my retirement. Through education, hard work and sound financial planning you can share in the American dream too. And if you are not making more than I was during my working career, you must be working in the fast food industry.

  • FlaJim

    This report is as useless as the center-left guys who wrote it and were instrumental in getting us to this point.

  • Warrior

    This commission was/is a complete joke. Imagine, the co-chairs come out with their own recommendation without regard to the rest of the bumbling conspirators. And then the conspirators have the audacity to criticize the two clowns. The best is Pelosi and Durbin are two of the biggest wastes of carbon footprint space that fat ass gore could ever conceive.

    The prez and the congress creatures are still full of bull crap. Post the budget on this website and the necessary cuts will be identified within a week.

  • Mick

    Warrior says:

    The prez and the congress creatures are still full of bull crap. Post the budget on this website and the necessary cuts will be identified within a week.

    ***************************

    Warrior…………….Can you imagine the fury it would entice if congress were to divulge what’s in the budget !
    Even some of the dumb ass liberals would be able to understand the extend of their manipulation.
    They wouldn’t dare do that /

    • Warrior

      Well, we need to post it so the American people can see what’s in it! Go get em former queen Nan. The way to save the planet is to rid it of progressives, period!

    • BigBadJohn

      Can you imagine the fury it would entice if congress were to divulge what’s in the budget !

      That’ the trick isn’t it?
      Both Iraq and Afghanistan were never funded so not in the budget. Bush’s prescription drug plan was never funded so not part of the budget.
      One thing Obama has done right is these are now counted in the budget, which is why his budget looks so much worse than GWB’s was.

      • Warrior

        What budget? The nincumpoops haven’t disclosed one.

  • Mick

    Warrior says:
    November 17, 2010 at 12:41 pm
    Well, we need to post it so the American people can see what’s in it! Go get em former queen Nan. The way to save the planet is to rid it of progressives, period!
    ***********************

    Warrior,,,,you won’t get any arguments from me i have been saying that same thing for years and years only to be looked upon as an idiot,,,,,Well folks, it’s time to demand to see what we’re really paying for…………..

    • Bob Wire

      well, if we’d managed to get rid of progressive long ago ~ we still be riding horses, wearing animal skins and rubbing sticks together to make a fire.

      So be careful what you wish for.

      • Warrior

        And your point is? If we let progressive run things we’ll be riding horses, wearing animal skins and rubbing sticks together? Don’t you just love this redistribution concept? Ruling class my ass.

      • Vigilant

        Bob Wire,

        You’ve got that ass-backwards again. The captains of industry, the entrepreneurs, a generally conservative lot, gave the fruits of the Industrial Revolution to all of us.

        The progressives simply stood back and calculated how much of the $$$ they could steal from the producers of our standard of living.

        • Bob Wire

          You two gents are under some illusion that the wealthy are interesting in sharing the bounty of this nation. But the truth is, until they experience labor shortages be most willing to keep us all running around in rags.

          “The Gilded Age & the Progressive Era (1877–1917)
          History SparkNotes

          The Gilded Age and the first years of the twentieth century were a time of great social change and economic growth in the United States. Roughly spanning the years between Reconstruction and the dawn of the new century, the Gilded Age saw rapid industrialization, urbanization, the construction of great transcontinental railroads, innovations in science and technology, and the rise of big business. Afterward, the first years of the new century that followed were dominated by progressivism, a forward-looking political movement that attempted to redress some of the ills that had arisen during the Gilded Age.

          Progressives passed legislation to rein in big business, combat corruption, free the government from special interests, and protect the rights of consumers, workers, immigrants, and the poor.

          Some historians have dubbed the presidents of the Gilded Age the “forgotten presidents,” and indeed many Americans today have trouble remembering their names, what they did for the country, or even in which era they served. These six men—Ulysses S. Grant, Rutherford B. Hayes, James Garfield, Chester Arthur, Grover Cleveland, and Benjamin Harrison—had relatively unremarkable terms in office and faced few if any major national crises during their presidencies. Some historians have suggested that these Gilded Age presidents were unexciting for a reason—because Americans wanted to avoid bold politicians who might ruin the delicate peace established after the Civil War.

          This is not to say politics were unimportant in the Gilded Age. On the contrary, Americans paid more attention to politics and national elections during the post–Civil War period than at any other time in history, because each election had the potential to disrupt the fragile balance—and peace—between North and South, Republican and Democrat. Voters turned out in record numbers for each presidential election in the late nineteenth century, with voter turnout sometimes reaching 80 percent or greater. The intensity of the elections also helps explain why Congress passed so little significant legislation after the Reconstruction era: control of the House of Representatives constantly changed hands between the Democrats and the Republicans with each election, making a consensus on any major issue nearly impossible.”

          As late a 1958, I sat in on Union and Company talks discussing wages commissions, where a Company man stood up and said, ” There is nothing wrong with dirt floors!” ” People can keep dirt floors clean”

          Many for the things we take for granted and enjoy today are the results of hard fought battles between business and progressives.

          As you seem to believe the wealthy willing to share, ~ they don’t care if you live in a box under a bridge. They don’t care if your teeth is falling out as long as they can find someone who is healthier then you.

          These labor concessions have been “Extracted” by organized force.

          In this long battle for some sense “equitable consideration” there few who’s not soiled their hands in some fashion. It’s been an ugly battle of minds & will.

          While you seem to suggest, the wealthy the victim and most willing to “roll over” ~ I think you are being very naive

          • Vigilant

            “You two gents are under some illusion that the wealthy are interesting in sharing the bounty of this nation. But the truth is, until they experience labor shortages be most willing to keep us all running around in rags.”

            No sir, I suggest that it’s the leftists who are under some illusion that the wealthy should be FORCED to share the bounty! When will you myopic types who can’t see further than your nose even begin to understand that without the captains of industry, without capitalism, without the wealthy entrepreneurs who PROVIDE JOBS TO PEOPLE, there is no bounty, period.

            Adding insult to injury, the left would forcibly steal the “bounty” of these wealthy people, who already pay 95% of the taxes in this country, by extracting even higher confiscatory taxes from them. When they strangle this golden goose, not only will she produce no more golden eggs, she’ll be dead. And all the labor unions in the US will not be able to bring her back to life.

            “…most willing to keep us all running around in rags.”

            Talk about histrionics: you get no traction with that obviously exagerrated statement.

        • Bob Wire

          Conservatives had not been “noted” for thinking “out side the box” but just the opposite, they offer strong resistance to any change they know little of and offers elements of uncertainty .

          I will concede to the virtues and visionaries as such men as Henry Ford But I understand it, even H. Ford understood his labor force were his market, his consumers and they reflected the common working man and had to be paid enough money to buy his product. Ford employees made “fair” wages and any person making “fair” wages could buy his product.

          What makes inventors so successful at thinking outside the box? “So what is it that makes some people think outside the box while the rest of us are content to just color inside the lines? Why is it also that some companies are so good at fostering new ideas and new innovation, and some companies, they shun from any new ideas, and shun any innovation, and they don’t want to hear anything about it. Evan Schwartz calls it juice. Creative energy. It’s what gets an inventor’s adrenaline flowing.” What is in an inventor’s mind? (Ira Flatow speaking about Evan Schwartz’s ideas about what drives invention and innovation quoted in Ira Flatow, “Analysis: Inventors, invention and innovation,” Talk of the Nation, Science Friday, NPR, December 24, 2004) Discover best-selling books by Ira Flatow. Read about Evan Schwartz and his discoveries about the secrets of what drives world-class inventors.

          Independent inventors come up with revolutionary concepts because they aren’t constrained by conventional wisdom.

          “That’s why small inventors can come up with something revolutionary, it’s because they’re not restrained by conventional wisdom.” Inventrepreneur. (Joyce Smith, Business Columnist, “Seeing your invention through: Entrepreneur week helps highlight some success stories of those who dream big,” Kansas City Star, February 27, 2007)

          Where does an inventor’s compulsion to create come from? “[W]here does it come from? I mean, a lot of these inventors I interviewed for the book essentially said it came from when they were kids and they were taking apart radios and fixing cars, and it’s this compulsion to create that they got since they were kids…” (Evan Schwartz, author of Juice: The Creative Fuel That Drives World Class Inventors, quoted in Ira Flatow, “Analysis: Inventors, invention and innovation,” Talk of the Nation, Science Friday, NPR, December 24, 2004) Discover other publications by Evan Schwartz.

          Invent because you love it, not because you want to make money. “If you are only in it for the money, wow, to me that’s too risky.

          Do it for love and not for money, because the love will always be there even if the money isn’t.” (Kurt Van Keppel, inventor of Xikar cigar cutters quoted in Joyce Smith, Business columnist, “Seeing your invention through: Entrepreneur week helps highlight some success stories of those who dream big,” Kansas City Star, February 27, 2007) See the outcome of Kurt’s successful Xikar cigar cutters invention available online.

          • Bob Wire

            no doubt 95% or every 40% it too heavy a tax burden for anyone and I’d consider it a crime. But I don’t know of anyone that actually paying that and if you do, please offer us a name that we might investigate it for ourselves. Because I’m not believing it by the time all the loop holes and amortization schedules are figured in. In fact, many wealthy pay very little tax for they employ a staff of bookkeepers and attorneys to make it happen.

            For people that are always complaining about the Rothschild’s, you sure change your tune when discussing Special Interest, Company Stories, large Conglomerate and concern’s that enjoy anti-trust immunity.

            I am wishing to discuss moderating but we seem to gravitate to the extreme ends of any discussion.

            I’m saying, the country would fall into anarchy and decay without a healthy mix of progressive thought.

            I responded to the statement “the country would be better off without progressive.”

            I wouldn’t make the wild statement the country would be better off without conservative! It’d be foolish to say, much less consider.

            So what kind of a “point” do you wish to make now?

            Progressive just want to “steal our peoples money”? Are lazy, no good and won’t work?

            As a nation that is 14 trillion dollars in the hole ~ and I didn’t spend it! ~ This is your argument? Leave the “job provides” alone?

            Mister, they are not providing the jobs!

            It’s been left up to people much like myself, ~ small business, to tote the load. ~ If we fail, there is no one to help us, we are on our own out here. When we fail, the Tax office and the Bank will send in their attorneys and we’ll end up a court docket number ~ justices being administered. We won’t even be a footnote in history

            Big business, is not doing enough today. Maybe they are no longer loyal Americans? But you want to reward them? Like the AIG employees that received large “efficiency” bonuses for their handy work to defraud investors without getting caught. “NO crime Committed” is what they say. ~ Hmm? hell of a deal! maybe they were progressives?

  • http://com i41

    ConcernedGrandma, totally agree with all of your cost cutting, only thing I would add is end all the 400 billion dollar Conservation Reserve Program of Dept of AG, that pays land owners to do nothing and have their own game preserve. Second end all “college” funding BS programs, if you want to go to college, work while going. End all the damned non-profit organizations, all are tax frauds and pay no taxes. Boards and CEOs are over paid idoits, that just game the systems, just like all programs. Heavy on “management” and plenty of media coverage. Cut all Congressional staffs in half, and salaries of Congress persons by 30%. The BS of housing costs, why they need big salaries. Every state, can buy a house, like we do for govenors in the states. Only the state would own house, so when the Congress person leaves, the next one coming in would have a spot. Cut salaries accordingly. Or just build a dorm for them all, they are screwing each other and the public. The military has a great education program that works. If you pay for your first year, they will give you a stipend for the rest of your schooling, while you will need to work also. But then you will will spend the next 4-10 years to repay the military with your service. Best way to get serious students, for degrees of teachers, vetinarians, doctors, pilots, engineers, or any other useful degrees. Leave the military alone it is all voluntary. Get rid of TSA and unions, privatize it all, and profile the forgeign pervs and their brood sows.

    • ValDM

      Brood Sows was an especially nice touch. LOL

  • 45caliber

    You want to reduce the problem? I can do it without a committee.

    First, reduce all government pay levels EXCEPT the military to civilian pay average level. The average government pay level is approximately 50% more than the average civilian job pay. So that will save a lot of money right there. For you out there making $50,000 a year, that means the government workers are making about $75,000 a year. For those of you making less than $50,000, that means you are being taken advantage of.)

    Second, make it manditory that no one can remain on welfare more than 2 years without being off welfare for AT LEAST another two years. That way we would get at least 50% taxes from them to add to ours. Of course, it will mean that ALL illegals must be sent home since these welfare people will need jobs to live.

    Cut all illegals off of ALL government care, including welfare and schooling. Fine or jail any employers who knowingly hire illegals. That alone would send most illegals home.

    Cut all foreign aid. We can’t buy friends so why give them the money? If they can’t live within their means, perhaps California will take them.

    Cut all government giving to charities and non-profit organizations. If groups like ACORN have to fold, too bad.

    Cut all government purchases of private land. In fact, require the government to start selling government lands at full market pricing to help bring in money to the government.

    Allow oil companies to drill for oil on our coasts and on all government property. But they have to pay the same fee for the oil that the Mid East countries charge for their oil. (That should pay off most of our debts!)

    Eliminate the Oblamacare program since we simply cannot afford it. As someone pointed out elsewhere, there are free health clinics around if you can’t afford the costs.

    Stop all bailouts and return the money not spent.

    Pass a balanced budget amendment.

    Get everyone off SS that didn’t pay into it and reduce the number of people working for the agency.

    Put our military to patrolling the borders of our country. And allow them to shoot to kill if anyone they find fails to stop immediately when ordered to.

    I’m sure I could think of other ways to save money, but these should be enough to balance the budget and pay off our debt.

    • Teresa

      AMEN..AMEN…AMEN…AMEN…AMEN…DID I SAY AMEN….!

    • Karolyn

      45 – I actually agree with your proposal for Welfare. All people on Welfare should also be drug tested, and limits have to be set on how many kids they can have. Maybe they could sing a contract saying that each extra kid would have to be put up for adoption?

      The problem with not funding nonprofits is that many worthwhile organizations would have a hard time staying afloat; and some of those would be groups that do take the burden off the government “dole.” Actually, though, the average nonprofit is not heavily funded by the Fed, receiving most of theis monies from donations and public grants. I would venture to guess that the money given to nonprofits by the gov. is not a huge part of the US budget. In the Charlotte, NC area, a bunch of libraries had to be closed due to lack of funds. Now they are closing 12 schools in that county. If federal funding to large nonprofits were cut off, we might have to face museums closing. Once we start losing museums, libraries, galleries, schools, it will be a sad day for everyone, especially kids.

      • 45caliber

        If you check the list of non-profits the government gives money to, most are not truly non-profit groups unless you stretch it. For instance, ACORN. Care is another group. It is actually supposed to be sending food to starving countries. What it actually is used for is to send food to countries where the government doesn’t want it known they are getting involved. It goes to the foreign government to feed their troops – so it is actually military aid rather than charity.

      • Vigilant

        Karolyn,

        “All people on Welfare should also be drug tested, and limits have to be set on how many kids they can have. Maybe they could sign a contract saying that each extra kid would have to be put up for adoption?”

        Just like a progressive to force someone to do something, from breaking up a family to practicing eugenics. NO, NO, NO! The government has NO business telling you how many children to have or taking away from you what some bureaucrat believes to be “too many” children. This is the United States of America, not the Peoples’ Republic of China!

        This confirms what the reasonable person has known forever: too many liberals, for all their highly-touted “sensitivity,” will always treat human beings as statistics and nothing else.

        • 45caliber

          Also, if the kids were put up for adoption, who would want crack babies??

        • Karolyn

          Gee Vigilant. I thought you’d like that one.

          • Vigilant

            That certainly explains your misconceptions about the truly conservative mindset.

          • Karolyn

            See? It goes both ways.

    • BigBadJohn

      Second, make it manditory that no one can remain on welfare more than 2 years without being off welfare for AT LEAST another two years.

      It has been like this for 14 years!!!! Clinton and the republicans passed welfare reform in 1996. The bill was a cornerstone of the Republican Contract With America. Bill Clinton signed PRWORA into law on August 22, 1996, fulfilling his 1992 campaign promise to “end welfare as we know it” You really need to lay off of that FOX kool-aid.

      • 45caliber

        Sorry, BBJ, it isn’t around here and never was. In the places where they do try to do that, the government takes them off welfare and immediately puts them on SS until they can go back on welfare. But that has all really gone by the wayside. Too many of them getting it doesn’t like it and the politicians want their votes.

        • BigBadJohn

          If that is the case yes it absolutely needs to be changed.

  • http://com i41

    The pay cuts also inclides Congress and the Pres, Congress would still make $100,000, and Pres would get $200,000, with out any costs. When dems talk about small business money, most morons don’t realize with the last 4 years, you cannot estimate costs and there isn’t any way for planning 5-10 years out, plus these idoits chocked off banks from making money available, unless you want to buy a boat or go on a vactions, without a job. .45, Ithink it would be a great start, and totally agree about not touching the military, that is just a retarded idea of pusified democrats who think tea party and phyco sessions with our enemies will work. Hot lead and things the kill idoits is the only simple message to send.

  • Anti Government

    hsr0601 way to talk truth to power. You have many conservative ideas of cutting the tax subsidies to Big Oil. Everyone wants to cut Social Security benefits. How can a ditch digger wait until 78 years old to get SS. The way to save this program is to lift the cap on payment into the SS system completely. You then mean test the the ones who receive SS. Sound like redistribution? This would be the cost of cheap labor policy we are currently following. The tax breaks that Bush has inflicted on this economy has been a miserable failure. To extend tax cuts to the wealthy will do nothing for the economy other than to mushroom the federal deficit. Tax cuts do not create jobs, growth and innovation create jobs. We need an investment program to revamp our energy system. Give Govt loans to electric utilities to loan to consumers to decentralize the electric grid and encourage solar, wind and geothermal energy. This would create assets and wealth for the our county. We should also build Nuclear plants and run them at full capacity and generate hydrogen when demand is low. This hydrogen could then be used for transportation fuel. Vehicles could be easily be converted to the new fuel. This all would create jobs and growth and cut trade deficit. America has a history of innovation and government involvement, look at the railroad, interstate highway system and education. We can move forward, but to shift the cost of the system to the poor or future generations is not the answer.

    • ValDM

      Your post belies your name. Anti means against. Your post, however wants more gov’t. Which is it?

      • eddie47d

        He wants smarter government. Same goal as you only a different way of looking at it.

    • Vigilant

      Anti-Government,

      “The tax breaks that Bush has inflicted on this economy has been a miserable failure. To extend tax cuts to the wealthy will do nothing for the economy other than to mushroom the federal deficit. Tax cuts do not create jobs, growth and innovation create jobs.”

      That idiotic statement flies in the face of all history. I realize that history is the most “inconvenient truth” to most progressives, but your communist propaganda is so thoroughy dishonest, I wonder where you get your ill-gotten gains.

      And an other-universe wacko eenvironmentalist to boot. What a moron!

  • guyb

    WOW-REALLY—- OUR elected officals are going to cut spending and reduce our debt. WOW—REALLY—- HOW much will that cost???? Cut spending,really,okay,and there going to put c-span in the white house so all of America will see who is working for the people and who is not,right? Okay,which promise do you believe? The white house will cut spending or the white house will put c-span in so we all can see who is working for the people and who is not? WOW- rangel is the most honest elected offical we have? WOW—- Okay, I guess all is getting better. Our elected officals will start doing as they promised and we can trust them to do it!!!!!! All those who believe this please hold your breathe,all those who know this is not true keep breathing and the next time we vote,those who are breathing can vote these lying nuts out of office…..Those holding there breathe,please keeping holding,your part of the problem…..

    • 45caliber

      I don’t believe they said anything about reducing the debt. I’m sure they can come up with ways to spend any money they might use for that.

  • http://com i41

    hsr0601 and Anti Gov, if you think windmillsand solar are the dream power. How long has the Kal. idoits been wasting billions on solar dream power? The wind power crap isn’t constitant, there isn’t any power grid delivery systems set up, and it will be 30 years before all the studies and paper work is done. Even if there wasn’t any whining by the envior morons. All of the airy fairy envior moron theorists have created such a mess out of placing impedements on any idustry, weather food production, road building, power production, or even schools, your f–k ups are now showing up. This commission was nothing more as two washed up beltway idots to resume their inflated taxpayer funded pay, with out accomplishing nothing. The idoits don’t realize when spouting infra structural jobs, it will be 9 years before a damn shovel of dirt will move, again it is the permiting and studies, where over 50+ cents of every dollars is wasted be for a project can start. If morons want to cut cost, cut the agencies, fire the wonks, and let states handle the projects they need and want.trim down the feds!

    • Karolyn

      This country should have started long ago dealing with environmental issues. Do you not believe that they actually exist? I, for one, am glad I don’t live in places like LA, where the air is so polluted. Do you not care what your grandkids breathe into their lungs? Don’t tell me that the “airy fairy” stuff is all BS. Look at all the conditions kids have these days that we never had: allergies, diabetes, autism, adhd, etc. Did they just come out of thin air? Yes! :-) More like “thick air” and all the chemicals infused into the foods.

      • eddie47d

        So true Karolyn

  • http://com i41

    ValDM. I have hauled and loaded enough sausage sows, that the way these muslim women look with their eyes, is just kije a siws, pigs cannot look up and females in burkas or covered up, always are averting their eyes, as well as waiting for their controller to open a gate.karolyn, the LA air trouble is the same as in any big city. Donn’t make all of us act like we live in the artsy fartsy big city world. Get rid of all these damn parks and spread out the population, and make the welfare rats take care of themselves, by having to produce their food. How many damn billions have been wasted on public transportation, entertainment parks, and make work programs. If you are working to feed your self, you screwing around driving up and down streets shootong each other would end. Same thing on the massive reservations that are worthless,except for creating more wards of the government. Also the marxist witch Big Mamee would need to control what she thinks we need to eat. Catch some puke stealing property or selling drugs, say a prayer for them and dumb their rears to hell. Also make these people take resonsible by having to owns land and pay taxes, if they want to be welfare rats, neurtor them and let them be serfs. Provide alttle motavation. See how long these book trined theories hold up. Yes all the problems kids have are their parents idea if you get a sniffle, better go to a doctor, don’t play out side you might get hurt, don’t do any work everyone needs to play non stop and play nice. If someon edinks with you kick their a$$, if you get a scrap, cowboy up and shut up, if you sniffle, blow your snot box and get on with your job.

    • Karolyn

      I get what you’re saying i41. Yes, kids are spoiled and overprotected; however, because of all the crap in our air and food, they are getting more illnesses. If we don’t preserve the land, then it’s gone forever. I’m glad I live in the country, and I am south of Charlotte, so its pollution doesn’t get here; however, pollution is not confined to any big city. We all suffer as a result of bad air. I’m glad you’re not our dictator.

  • home boy

    heres a thought. remove the ceiling on SSwhich is now 116k. why should a person making 120k pay the same as somone making 1million.

    • Ellen

      There is a cap on SS taxes because there is a maximum SS pays out. For example, Bill Gates would pay more in just one year of SS taxes than he would collect in 20 years of retirement. A cap is fair.

      • home boy

        what people put into ss they get back in 2 years or less . and bill gates has to pay millions so what , he earns billions so there should not be a problem for him . and he should not have to take ss when he retires since he has billions . and by the way you should look into how much these C,E,O’S pay in taxes any way. you eyes will spin. most pay zero according to warren buffet.

  • Gman12

    How about cutting 250.000 government jobs by eliminating redundancy in government jobs! Then a 15% across the board salary reduction for all government workers over a specified pay grade.

  • http://com i41

    Karolyn, the stuff that in put in food is put in in the processing plants. How many people are even smart enought to process their own food, much less grow it. Your democrat party since FDR’s Sec. of Ag has consititantly promoted communist style food production, over seen by a centeral government mmanager. The Dept of Ag created the Conservation Reserve Program in the ealy80 to try and drive up the wheat prices, a plan created durning FDR’s ag program, but now when i talk to any Congressional staff about ending the wasteful program, they try to say it was for wildlife production. All that was created was a taxpayers landowners orivate huntng preserve. It also greastly increased the land prices so only mega corps, could buy up the land. Who all get billions in CRP taxpayer money like Con-Ag, or ADM. Kind of like a Fannie and Freddie for corps. The same crap happened by Tyson on the chicken production or Smithfeild and pork production. Now the private beef producers are having prodlems with the only 4 packing plants who want total control by vertical control from birth of livestock to the plate. Wl=Mart is part of the mess by contracting with packing plants on their feedlots to pay for the prodct on when sold out of the freezer. So now the envior morons don’t want beef in parks or grass land, just like they did on the stopping of timber harvresting and the spotted owl. You wonder why I hate these college educated theorist who spout book learned s–t, that is just that. When you enviors spout global warming crtap, have you ever fought even a grass fire that burns several square mies or timber fires like we have experienced in Yellowstone or New Mexico. All thanks to democrat created agency idoits in the beltway. Landowners produce way more timber, food products, and grain than any government owned property or corporations, all who don’t abide under the same EPA rules as private land owner. All reservations don’t have any Department of Eviuormental Quality Satandards. Go to any rezand see the filth and sewage and blowing garbage. Government screw upthe enviorment, landowners take care of their property since it feeds them and their family, corporations, love children od the democrat party use and abuse everything they touch, wheather it is livestck, grain production or timber harvesting. I don’t care what state you go to. Same goes for any production operation.

  • Dennis

    Sorry to break in with this, but i think you should know.

    Michelle Obama, embracing the cause of “childhood obesity”, is reaching for your wallet to the tune of $4.5 billion for a childhood nutrition bill. “The Healthy, Hunger-Free Kids Act” was passed by the Senate and is now awaiting passage in the House lame duck session. Soon-to-be-heading-home Senator Blanche Lincoln was the sponsor in the Senate, and according to “The Hill”, more than 1,100 groups have signed on to a letter lobbying members to pass this boondoggle.

    Here is how they are spinning the bill:

    “The Healthy, Hunger-Free Kids Act offers a real chance to improve nutrition for all children,” states the letter to House Education and Labor Chair George Miller (D-Calif.) and ranking member John Kline (R-Minn.). “By improving opportunities for healthy meals in and out of school, the bill would take an important step forward in addressing both child hunger and obesity.”

    It passed the Senate by “unanimous consent” before August recess. That meant that whatever liberal Senator was designated to sit in the President of the Senate’s chair for a few hours read the script that was handed to him by Majority Leader Harry Reid’s floor managers and like an auctioneer, not hearing any objections, had a “going, going, gone” moment and POOF! There went another $4.5 billion taxpayer dollars.’

    As has been said so often in DC…a billion here, a billion there and pretty soon it adds up to real money!

    The sad part is that you will not have the luxury of having a list of Senators who voted for or against the bill — that is the beauty of a “unanimous consent” provision. No vote trails. No accountability.

    Republicans clearly didn’t want to vote against something called “The Healthy, Hunger-Free Kids Act” and Democrats wanted to shove it through since it was the First Lady’s initiative so a unanimous consent gets everyone off the hook.

    Except the taxpayers.

    Who knows what is actually in this bill? What kind of indocrtination is going to be foisted upon kids now? With all the child nutrition dollars currently being spent by the government, isn’t this a bit redundant? And they wonder why voters were outraged? This is a prime example.

    Names of bills are chosen very carefully so that they sound reasonable and anyone who would consider voting against it isn’t reasonable. Election ad campaigns are dancing in staffers’ heads as they christen bills like this. And take a good long look at who is supporting this bill — a who’s who of left wing organizations, to include labor unions.

    With a price tag of $4.5 billion, there ought to be a bit more scrutiny of this bill.

    • Warrior

      Well for gods sake Dennis, how the hell do you expect to see what’s in it if you don’t pass it first. Geez, did you just fall off the turnip truck?

    • SiliconDoc

      Yeah, what’s in it is 4.5 billion dollars in government issued paychecks. Now that’s healthy eating.
      I suspect it’s another non elective for the government child indoctrination centers called schools. That should be the all year long 1 hour a day “social nazism” class that asks all the kiddies how they are being fed while away and any red flags will require the heca-billion social worker force to investigate.
      Some body fat pinching for some good humiliation and some anorexic and bulemia instilling, with the follow up semester including NEA hires -bathroom puke monitors for the newly created social disorder in the rest rooms.
      It’s surely a wonderful circle of health and love.
      Don’t forget the required ObyMich gardening – coupled with the undocumented workers “hard slave labor” points as the teacher preaches on who picks the kiddies nutritional food and deserves a break today – guess what NOT Mcdonalds.
      Oh what an awesome system. Self bloating and fund increasing. Is that ever going to have a healthy diet ?

  • Jeryl

    I want to preface my comments by saying that I am just about as conservative as they come. Having said that, I think that in addition to a severe reduction in spending, we should shut down those two wars in which we are losing so many of our best and brightest young people. I’m sick and tired of losing our young people on foreign soils where few people want or appreciate them. If it means a loss of money for the companies making the arms, so be it. If it means a few hundred jobs lost, it’s worth it to save the lives of our young people. Bring them home and put a significant number of them on our southern border. Let the drug lords see what they can do with battle-hardened American soldiers. That mess would then stay south of the border.

  • Bob Wire

    Jeryl says:
    November 18, 2010 at 3:35 pm

    I want to preface my comments by saying that I am just about as conservative as they come. Having said that, I think that in addition to a severe reduction in spending, we should shut down those two wars in which we are losing so many of our best and brightest young people.

    I whole hearty agree, stop them and stop them now.

    and no new spending until the 14 Trillion note is being serious addressed in some meaningful way. I want to see more paid on the principal.

    Encourage private sector spending. ~

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