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Beware The Lame Duck

July 19, 2010 by  

Beware The Lame Duck

Faced with mounting criticism over his handling of the Federal debt, President Barack Obama did what every brave elitist of the elected class has done before him: he appointed a commission.

Commissions, you see, give the brave elected class cover to do the “hard work.” No, not raising taxes and cutting spending. That’s easy for them. The hard work is in justifying the increased taxes listening to what they see as a sniveling constituency unhappy that they just lost more of their money and freedom at the hands of a fascist regime.

If the appointed commission—which surely has only the best interests of the country in mind—says that taxes need to be raised then so be it, Congress can say, we had no choice, the commission made us do it. End of story.

So the elitist fascist president took two elitist fascists from the political class, told them to assemble a group of like-minded individuals and charged them with coming up with a plan to reduce the total Federal debt, which is expected to exceed $14 trillion—$14,000,000,000,000—next year. That equals to about $47,000 for each resident of the United States.

The co-chairs of the national debt commission are Democrat Erskine Bowles and Republican Alan Simpson. They were chosen—one representing each of the two main political parties—to give the commission an air of bipartisanship.

Bowles sports an MBA from Columbia Business School and had a career as an investment banker at Morgan Stanley before he became involved in Bill Clinton’s 1992 presidential campaign. Clinton rewarded Bowles by appointing him to head up the Small Business Administration and later naming him deputy chief of staff.

Bowles left the Clinton administration to found his own investment bank but was later called back to work for “Slick Willy” as chief of staff in late 1996. In 1997 he worked on Clinton’s behalf to craft a balanced budget bill along with the Republican majority.

Since then Bowles failed in his two attempts to win a Senate seat in North Carolina and then served as president of the University of North Carolina system for four and half years before retiring in February.

Simpson, on the other hand, sports a law degree he obtained from the University of Wyoming and is a career politician. He spent 13 years in the Wyoming House of Representatives before his election to the U.S. Senate in 1978, where he served until his retirement 1996.  Since then he has taught politics at places like the John F. Kennedy School of Government and has made a career of poking fun at himself and other politicians on the talk show circuit.

His claim to fame was serving as GOP whip in 1990 where he helped round up votes to raise taxes for George H.W. Bush’s budget bill that broke the 41st President’s “Read my lips. No new taxes” pledge.

In other words, both Bowles and Simpson are of government and from government and any solutions their commission reaches will benefit government. As Bowles said after being appointed, “the president looked Senator Simpson and me in the eye and he said, ‘Everything is on the table.’ So we are going to look at every single way to right this fiscal ship.”

That includes cutting “sacred cows” and raising revenue, Bowles said. Everything is on the table, including a value-added tax (VAT), letting the Bush tax cuts expire (which it appears Democrats intend to do), raising other taxes (elitists call them revenue enhancements), plundering the retirement funds of individuals and cutting entitlements (though the prospect of this, on the heals of the rammed-through passage of Obamacare, is laughable).

And what exactly are some of the solutions being bandied about to solve the debt crisis? Instituting a VAT is one key component being considered. A VAT adds a tax to a product on all levels of production. It would reap billions for the government but would devastate the economy and increase the cost of all goods and services and disproportionally affect the poor.

It would also break Obama’s pledge not to raise taxes on those making less than $250,000; er, $225,000; er, $200,000; or whatever the Obama truth happens to be today. Of course, what’s one more broken Obama pledge? For Democrats, history starts today.

Raising taxes on corporations is another solution under consideration. Those who don’t understand the way the world works, who fail to understand that businesses don’t really pay taxes, love the idea of corporations paying higher taxes.

But in the end, corporations don’t pay taxes. Their taxes are figured into the costs of doing business and are passed along to the consumer in the form of higher prices. No matter what, businesses must maintain a certain profit margin or they will eventually fail.

But regardless of whether the taxes are paid by businesses or people, raising taxes in a depressed economy is a bad idea. More and more economists are already predicting a double-dip recession, and some are forecasting a drop in the Dow of 40 percent to 50 percent within the next year—a prospect that seems more and more likely by the day.

Coincidentally, the commission is supposed to have its report on Obama’s desk by Dec. 1. That would give Congress a few weeks to ram the commission’s recommendations through before the new Congress takes over in January—during a lame duck session.

And that prospect is on the agenda, according to Senator Kent Conrad (D-N.D.), president of the Senate Budget Committee.

In fact, as The Wall Street Journal’s John Fund wrote July 9, Democrat party leaders are acknowledging they are poised to lose the House of Representatives and realize their hold on the Senate will be tenuous at best. So they are holding off passing some major legislation before the election that they think they can ram through in a lame duck session after the Nov. 6 election.

“I’ve got a lot of things I want to do” in a lame duck session, Senator Jay Rockefeller (D-W.Va.) told reporters in June. And all of them are bad for Americans.

Among them are card check (which would change how unions are allowed to organize workers and effectively end private voting on unionization), a Cap and Trade energy bill or something similar to provide a sop for the environmentalists (more taxes and higher energy bills), ratification of a New Start nuclear treaty, a Federally mandated universal voter registration system and a budget resolution to lock in increased agency spending.

And, Fund writes, then there is pork. Senate aides say that with some of the biggest porkers of all leaving office—Senators Arlen Spector (R to D-Pa.) and Robert Bennett (R-Utah) among them—it would be their last chance to feed at the trough.

In other words, the Democrats are planning a “stick-it-to-the-little-people” session to get back at the Tea Partiers and others who have decided they’ve had enough and are ready to vote the fascist elitists out of office. They’re saying, essentially, “I don’t care what you want (smaller government, less spending, lower taxes). It’s what we want (more money and power) that counts.”

But isn’t that what they said last spring when they passed Obamacare over the objections of as much as 60 percent of the electorate?

Many voters have been saying that the people will be able to right the ship of state come November. But if that happens, Democrats have made it clear they plan to poke the electorate in the eye with a sharp stick, and then pass legislation mandating you thank them for the poke.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American and author of The Bob Livingston Letter™, founded in 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • JeffH

    Here is an entertaining You Tube video made during the 2008 presidential campaign that speaks volumes…about his political accomplishments as a senator…
    titled: Obama the Lame Duck
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tA1Hn3bEmog

    • JeffH

      A Jan 2010 article from the Daily Kos…go figure…Obama, Lame Duck
      http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/1/20/827751/-Obama,-Lame-Duck
      But Is Obama Worth Saving?
      What change have we seen from this president? The U.S. is engaged in two wars, like it was before. Health care reform will collapse, and the next act in the play will be the radical scaling back — if not outright destruction — of Medicare. Various Democratic constituencies will lose on the so-called “values” issues, such as gay rights and abortion. The Supreme Court will move to the right, as the emerging de facto Republican control of the Senate forces Obama to appoint conservatives to fill vacancies.

      It’s not an encouraging picture. I’d like to imagine that the Democrats will rally, but what is there to rally to? What do Democrats believe? Half of the party clings to the New Deal and the social liberalism of the 1970s. The other half of the party appears to be essentially Republican. There is little underlying consensus about what defines Democrats…

      • WarriorH

        Yes We Can! Inflict as much damage on Americans before we leave office.

        • http://INTERNETEXPLORER GUNDOCTOR

          AND MAY THE WRATH OF THE MASSES BE HEAPED UPON YOUR BRAIN-DEAD SKULL!
          YOU SELF-SERVING DUMBASSES ARE PATHETIC!!

          • JeffH

            It certainly didn’t take long for the typical liberal to start with the name calling…c’mon, you can do better than that, huh, or can you? Maybe you can name something that your messiah, the O’man, accomplished as a young senator from Chicago…

          • Angel-Wanna-Be

            Gundoctor, My Hero___ NOT!

          • JC

            Gee GUNDOCTOR, thanks for the well thought out response to factual information about a communist imposter in our White House.
            I take it you like to work on Chinese AK-47′s? They seem to be the preferred weapon of commies and radical muslims the world over.
            Anyhow, I think I’ll stick to my American made arms as mandated under our second amendment just in case there’s any “mass” trouble to deal with.

      • Joe D

        No the Republican MORONS in Congress listening to Former 1stLady Nancy Reagan “Just say NO” It works both ways. When the appointed President was in the Dems in the Senate would let bills thru in the BEST interest of the nation, they should have played hard ball on the Iraq War Resolution War on a LIE

        • CLARENCE SWINNEY

          JOE D
          GOOGLE
          CLARENCE SWINNEY + RAPE OF MIDDLE CLASS

          20 YRS 3 KONSERVATIVES
          99,000 NEW JOBS PER MONTH
          CARTER=CLINTON 222,000
          ADDED 9000 bILLION TO cARTER 1000b OF DEBT
          Carter 600B budget to 3600B
          1400B deficit in Bush 2009 Budget
          Clinton surplus and add on 6000B of Debt in 8 years.
          Clinton 1800B budget to 3600B
          Clinton 237,000 new jobs per month to 31,000 Lowest since Hoover.
          8 of Bush sent 2,300,000 good jobs to China.
          Invasion of two of Poorest & Least Armed nations on earth.
          Wonder how other nations see us????
          They refer to us as Barbarians.
          Bush created hate for America by 1500 Million Muslim humans.

          what a gang? what a Christ like nation? What a dumb people?

          olduglymeanhonst

          • wayne a

            SWINNEY,first the democrats have controled the house 53 of the last 63yrs and the senate 56 of the last 63yrs,so now who’s to blame? enlighten me,how did bush send over 2 million jobs to china?did you accidently on purpose omit the fact that clinton signed NAFTA that allowed millions of jobs to move out of the US?

      • 2WarAbnVet

        Please stop this “two wars” crap. It’s one war, it’s Islam’s War on Western Civilization, and it’s been going on for over 1400 years.

        • 45caliber

          You are absolutely correct!

        • BrotherPatriot

          Bingo.

        • Mark Are

          That is unless you are Muslim. And then it is the Wests War on them for the past 1400 years. And since “they” never attacked us in force it wasn’t a war, it was a crime. That is IF they really attacked us and it wasn’t a Israeli Mossad false flag attack made to make us “think” we were attacked by some Muslims. The world is screwed up.

          • obiwan

            Blame it on Isreal. Obviously the most screwed up thing on this page is you.

    • roberta

      dont even have to watch utube. we all know that the prez is gaining momentum for us to become a socialist state. and blame??? they all blame the other guy. Its like a kids thing, “he did it”, “no, he did it” . no one wants to admit that its the fault of ALL of the clueless liberals. what can we do to stop the downward spiral of our country? anything?????

      • Lawrence Ekdahl

        Repent! Turn back to the true God, Jesus Christ!

        • Mark Are

          Can you prove that?

          • bp

            Mark; II Chronicles 7:14 NCV…if My People, who are called by My Name, will humble themselves, if they will pray and seek Me and stop their evil ways, I will hear them from heaven. I will forgive their sin, and I will heal their land.

        • Angel-Wanna-Be

          bp, Amen!

      • bp

        roberta; watch this youtube:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw and do not give up or give in. We can still save our country! Warning: the video is two hours long, but worth every minute.

    • Palin12

      Good one Jeff! Newt made some excellent points about Sarah also.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    As far as Ive ever seen, a Democrat never met a tax he didnt like.

    • Joe D

      Is it more Honset to TAX or is it More Honest to Spend adn Borrow. 90% of the debt inherited in JAN 09 but three Voodoo Economic Presidents NINETY PER CENT over 20 Years

      • Bruce

        Sie Joe, I am not quire sure what your point is can you be less cryptic.

        • CLARENCE SWINNEY

          Joe D says
          220 years end with:

          End with 5700B of Debt
          End with 1800 Budget
          End with Budget Surplus
          End with Peace On Earth
          End with a President who had highest poll ratings of any peacetime
          USA president in Asia-Afric and Europe.
          End with 237,000 net new jobs created per month

          After 228 years end with::
          11,900 B of Debt-added on 6000B in 8 years
          3600B budget from 1800B
          End with no surplus just debt as far as eye can see
          Hell on Earth in Two disastrous Wars
          Rated Worst President in History by world polls
          31,000 new jobs worst since Hoover

          Vote Republican to End American Empire
          Les Miserable’ Workers 120,000,000 shall revolt

          Conservatism Name besmirched. True Conservatism Lost for time being
          until Revolution. Kick out faux conservatives.

          olduglymeanhonest

        • Joe D

          Bruce Dems if they want to spend they TAX and pay for it upfront GOP likes to spend give tax cuts like it was Crack Cocaine and pass the bill to the kids who can not vote yet. That is Cowardly

          • JeffH

            Joe D, FYI they all like to spend like a drunken sailor…Obama’s Debt Tsunami is simply meant to break America’s economic back.

            Here are the most striking facts, and if you want more details, you can look at CBO’s tables.
            http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/100xx/doc10014/Chapter1.5.1.shtml#1091929
            In 2008, the net federal debt as a percent of GDP was 40.8 percent. By 2019, it would have risen, under current law as defined above, to 56.1 percent of GDP. Under the Obama budget, it would double to 82.4 percent of GDP, a whopping 47 percent increase from the baseline.

      • JDR

        A few things, Joe.
        First, Obama did not inherit these issues, he chose them. None of these problems were unknown before the election, not the wars, not the financial market problems, not the Medicare and Social Security funding issues, none of them. Perhaps you would explain what new problems have arisen since his election that he actually “inherited,” Obama’s constant whining about this does not change the fact that he, and all of us, already knew about those things. He chose them, as did all members of Congress,
        It is definitely true that the majority of our debt was accumulated prior to Obama’s election, although you are seriously incorrect, grossly biased toward Obama, or oblivious to history that no one raised this issue before. Do you remember the proposed Balanced Budget Amendment? For many people (although clearly not you), George Bush’s primary failure was fiscal. With Republican majorities in Congress, they could have righted this country’s financial ship, had they the will to do so. But they did not, although you also appear to have forgotten the Contract With America.
        However, it is at least incomprehensible, if not offensively dishonest, that Obama could have said, and rightly so, during the campaign that the Bush deficits were “irresponsible” and then defend a deficit three times as large as the largest Bush deficit as “good and necessary.” You overlook these things, which unfortunately demonstrate your bias toward at least Obama. On this thread, you have yet to admit a single failure of Obama, but are employing the same tactic he does, that of blaming everyone else. As I have said before, there is plenty of blame to go around, but you obviously don’t think Obama is in that camp.
        The ultimate failure lies with the American people, who elect these leaders. Their records and positions are readily available, but people keep electing them. Although I can’t remember the author, one critic of Obama stated that the problem was not Obama, it was the elctorate the elected him that is the problem. Obama’s positions were generally clear during the campaign. For me, anyone who voted for him who is now engaged in hand-wringing needs to look in the mirror. One suspects that too many voters were so caught up with the idea of electing a President of color (he is not a black American, being born of a white mother and Kenyan father) that they did not take the time to understand who he was.
        For more thoughts on this last issue, you may want to consider the thoughts of Robert Weissberg in his 4/29/2010 short essay entitled “A Stranger in Out Midst.”

        • CLARENCE SWINNEY

          obama deficit three times as large as Bush?????????

          Bush 2009 Budget ended (9-30-09)with a 1400B DEFICIT

          1400B

          Omama 2010 Budget has 1000B Deficit after 9 months.
          Three months to go to equal Bush 1400B.

          3 X 1400= 4200B sho nuff!

          Bush Added 6000B to our Debt
          In 8 years. He inherited 5700B from Clinton.

          He more than doubled it in 8.

          He added on more debt in 8 than we had accumulated after 225 years.

          Some conservative legacy! prove me wrong

          olduglymeanhonest

          • JimJ

            Clarence you had better check your fact my friend. In case you not aware of how to do that all you have to do is google Federal Budget. When Bush left office the the federal deficit(thats the difference between what was taken in and what was spent) was $455 Billion Dollars. In the first 9 months under Obama, the federal deficit reached 1.3 Trillion dollars, thats almost 3 times as much, and let us not forget that the last two years of Bush’s Administration the Democrats were in control of the budget. By the way what the heck is 1400B? I guess you aren’t aware that there is number higher than Billion. Oh wait a minute thats right no one ever heard of Trillion until your saviour OBAMA got into office.

          • Mark Are

            If you can tell me what the “debt” is denominated in, I’ll give you a ton of it for free. THE CREATE IT OUT OF THIN AIR FOLKS! So they can take it and shove it in the air space between their ears.

            Fact is…PSYCHOPATHS have been running the show for 8,000 years. See

            http://www.whale.to/b/barrett.html

      • wayne a

        JOE D,how do you figure obuma inherited 90% of the debt? since obuma came to office he has TRIPLED our deficit(debt),almost 14 trillion dollars! with his billion dollar obamacare that over 60% of the Americans didn’t want and his wallstreet bailout that he said would create jobs(which it hasn’t) and now with a unemployment over 10% that was 6.4% when he took office,obuma wants to make 20 million illegals; citizens!that’s really going to help our economy and help our unemployed find jobs.WHY,because 20 million illegals made citizens is 20 million new democrat VOTES!

        • JC

          Damn straight the Kenyan tripled the debt. He’s out to destroy us all.

    • CLARENCE SWINNEY

      EVER CHECK NUMBER OF TAX INCREASES BY KONSERVE REAGAN?

      HIS TAX INCREASES WERE HALF AS MUCH AS HIS TAX CUT

      BLARNEY BALONEY

      WHY DID NOT REAGAN + BUSH PAY THEIR WAY

      THEY SPENT BUT DID NOT RAISE REVENUE TO PAY THEIR WAY ALA CLINTON

      RR + GWB ADDED ON TO CARTER 1000B OF DEBT 7700 BILLION.

      16 YEARS=7700 AFTER 200 YEARS TO GET 1000

      SHAMEFUL AWFUL DISGRACEFUL SICKENING DUMB IDIOTIC MORONIC

      olduglymeanhonest

      • JimJ

        Clarence the last line of your post discribes you to a tee. Your a eloquent man. Keep up the good work!!

      • wayne a

        SWINNEY,but i guess its ok that obuma has tripled our deficit since he took office! it’s now the largest deficit in history at almost 14 trillion dollars that experts says will take at least 20yrs to pay off.unemployment was 6.4% when obuma took office,it’s now over 10%.but over the last few days several articles have come out that said actually its being under reported and is closer to 20%.i guess thats ok with you SWINNEY since its a democrat!

  • Joyce

    I think it is time for a Constitution Convention. Let’s kick them all out, under “RECALL”, and start over again, with individuals and a new set of rules. First, TERM LIMITS FOR ALL. Second, NO PAYMENTS AFTER LEAVING YOUR POSITION. In other words, as is currently the law, an elected official only needs to serve ONE term. That official will always receive their salary for the rest of their lives. Once they die, their spouses receive it, along with benefits. These jokers voted all this in FOR THEMSELVES. They don’t even pay into the Social Security program, because they will NEVER NEED IT. They get paid for life. These repeals will benefit our country, not only in terms of saving taxpayer dollars, but will also encourage HONEST people to want to serve in these positions. HONEST people already know that you must be a crook to play the little political games in DC, and most just don’t have the stomach for that.

    • Ken

      The last thing we need is a constitutional convention. That would open up the ENTIRE constitution to be redone by the morons of the day. They could revise it so that only democrats and minorities have voting rights, only one party is eligible to be elected and so on and on. I think you mean we need to AMEND the constitution.

      • slickporsche

        Please tell us more about the constitutional convention.

        • http://INTERNETEXPLORER GUNDOCTOR

          HOW ABOUT A .50 CAL BALL UP YOUR POOPCHUTE??

          • James

            That was a riot! Some of these people don’t have a clue-Obama and Pelosi are two of the most dangherous people that have ever been in power.

          • JeffH

            So nice to see quality comments from the liberals “hack of the day” club. Enjoy your troll…

          • JC

            Now that’s one sick puppy.

      • Bruce

        Sir Ken, Your spot on with that observation. Not a good idea at all.

      • 45caliber

        I agree. We would NEVER get a new Constitution that worked half as well as the one we have. I’m not even sure we need amendments.

      • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Jill

        The constitution is perfect and does not need ratification in any way.

        • 45caliber

          Oh, I’d like to see term limits for Congress in it.

        • wayne a

          basically i agree but the 14th amendment needs to be rewrote.

        • JC

          I don’t know about that. The 16th Amendment can go altogether, and the Commerce Clause could either be properly defined or removed.

    • Big Ugly

      Are you kidding??????

      That would give these same people, that you are trying get out of office, complete and absolute power to change/remove anything in the Constitution that they want. Just imagine if there were no ‘safeguards’ left in the form of the Constitution, as written.

    • Dallas E

      I Agree With Term Limits !!

      • JimJ

        Me too! the 50 Cal. emima sould like a viable solution also.

    • CLARENCE SWINNEY

      No $$$$$ None

      Cannot use personal Money
      cannot accept money from anyone
      No gifts of any type
      Public financed elections

      Wall Street of America WSA WSA our new name from USA
      owns
      major corporations
      banks
      congress
      executives

      1% own 43% Total FionancialWealth
      10% own 70%
      20% own 93%
      80% own 7%=120,000,000 shafted workers

      20% will not rest till they have 100%.

      olduglymeanhonst

      • 45caliber

        Public financed elections has one real problem: how would you restrict who can run? If they are all publically financed you would see a lot of people who would run, not because they want to serve the country, but because they would have a lot of money they could spend on things like hotel rooms and fine food.

      • wayne a

        SWINNEY, is that all you can say,you’re wasting good space printing that over and over!

    • Debra . B

      I’m with Joyce kick them all out and start over with TERM limits !!!!

    • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Darlene

      AMEN JOYCE!

    • bp

      Joyce; Really? No wonder our country is almost bankrupt! And all we hear about is the union pensions! I disagree with you on the other.

  • Ruckus

    JeffH, how can you say some Dems act Republican. Practically all of them voted for Obamacare which 70% of Americans disapproved of. The Will of The People ! What a joke. Dems are determined to tax and spend our way out of debt. My Father taught me as a kid, nobody can spend their way out of debit. What planet are these folks on?

    • Joe D

      Hope you dad also told you that you can not live like a KING on your Credit Cards. That is what the GOP does when they seize power. SPEND and BORROW 90% of the debt as of Jan 09 by Three Presidents Reagan Bush 41 and 43.

      • alpha-lemming

        Uhhh….. sorry…. POTUS did not/Constitutionally CANNOT spend one dime. A century of progreesive congresses [~75% (D) and recently (R)…. McCain, Dole, Graham, etal…. progressives all) have bankrupted the country for GENERATIONS!!

        • 45caliber

          But it SOUNDS better to blame Republican Presidents!! After all, they can’t really say, “Okay, my Congressman is the cause! But I really like him!”

      • wayne a

        JOE D,did you forget since obuma took office our deficit has tripled to a historical level of 14 trillion dollars that experts says will take 20 yrs to pay down!

    • JeffH

      Ruckus, aren’t the Dems and the Republicans the core reason we’re faced with these ongoing economic problems? They come from the same mold and allmost all are dishonest, on the take and controlled by the hand that feeds them(I don’t mean the taxpayers either). None are fiscally responsible, but this administration has taken us into new, uncharted territory.

      Remember, I didn’t say that, the Daily Kos did…

  • soldier

    Higher taxes will just make matters worse. Many small businesses are at their breaking points. At some point, you make mroe “profit” by throwing your hands up in the air, giving up, and quitting your business, afterall, doing nothing means you LOSE nothing. If you don’t make profit or minimal profit as a businessman or woman, than why bother when you can do nothing and lose nothing or even gain temporary unemployment benefits? Producers will start moving to the feeding troughs and I can’t blame them.

    You better learn good survival skills such as identifying what wild plants and animals are good for eating. We may very well live in a world where freedom means eating rat burger not unlike the movie Demolition Man. All you libs, just don’t knock on my door begging for food. Go find some dandelions and grasshoppers to eat (which are both edible). K, thanks.

    • American Citizen

      You’d better learn to hunt and gather. Hunters bagged the most wild turkeys ever this year in Indiana, almost 14,000. Deer are plentiful.

      • Dan Burke

        Only problem is that the nuts in control of government would like to take away all your weapons if they could. An armed people is too dangerous in their little world because an armed people can “hunt” and a hunter doesn’t need government for their every need–and thus the hunter is independent and does not need the politician…. I think you get the picture.

        By the way, a year or so ago, I recall hearing/reading/seeing (I forget where or why) that on average hunters are more financially sound than the general American public. That doesn’t mean they are rich. That doesn’t mean that there are no bankrupt hunters. It just meant that on average, the hunters of our society live more within their budgets.

      • CLARENCE SWINNEY

        TURKEYS IN INDIANA
        1,000 HAVE NO JOB AS WHIRLPOOL GOES TO HUNT IN MEXICO
        PLENTY TIME TO HUNT.

    • 45caliber

      Hey, don’t encourage the Libs to learn all that stuff! Then when we go down, we can at least let them die off as there are too many now.

      Seriously, there will be a famine in the midst of plenty when things go down. There will be millions who will die due to lack of food and water. Consider where your water comes from. If all electricity was cut off, where would you go to get some? People live less than a week with no water.

      • Angel-Wanna-Be

        45caliber, well said, the Progressives want to play GOD anyway as some believe, we should reduce the population, perhaps it should be started with them!!!

      • JC

        Everyone worth a pinch of salt is already planning for the long run.
        And I hope they’re quietly organizing in community strength.

  • Attilla

    Democrat elitist do not pay the taxes that they enact for others to pay.

    • Karolyn

      What about the taxes elitist Republicans have enacted? Come on. People are people, and politicians are politicians. It seems nobody can fight the Washington establiishment. It simply is what it is.

      • Jayne Texas

        I disagree. This generation is full of SELf-SERVING people. We need people that cannot be bought. They need to stand firm on their values and morals. We need to do what is best for our country. not necessarly what is best for us personally. Too many people are impressed with money and material object. We need people that will stand firm and protect the constitution; instead of manipulating it like the liberals are doing now. Remember Barac Obama is the master of the WORD GAME!

        • Joe D

          Jayne you come from a state that gave us BUSH he doubled the DEBT

          • 45caliber

            And your point is …? Perhaps you are saying that it is okay to spend regardless instead of balancing the budget based on what is being brought in?

          • wayne a

            YEAH JOE,bush doubled it but obuma tripled it to the historical level of 14 trillion dollars!!!!!!!!

          • JC

            Bush is from Connecticutt.

    • Joe D

      When the Current Congress wanted to add 30 Billion to the Debt for Unemployment. They want to show where you are going to cut to pay for it. Then when it comes to the 600 Billion in Tax Cuts to the top 2% Sen John Kyl says throw it on the debt. HYPOCRITS

      • wayne a

        JOE,are you naive enough to think when they vote for the unemployment bill thats all they’re voting for? the reasons they voted against the extension was because there were 100′s of pork projects added that would be passed as well.then all the rep wanted to do was pay for the extension now instead of adding to our record deficit!

  • http://sheltonjames@yahoo.com james shelton

    We absolutely must get rid of this illegal criminal in OUR WHITE HOUSE. No lame duck b.s. After these criminals have been driven from office then they must be harrassed until they leave our country. Forgive them but drive them out. Then they can live under the laws they’re trying to push on us. Make their life here as misserable as possible.No-one work in or around their homes do their shopping etc. They have only the slightest idea how the real people live.Let them wait on themselves. They’ll collapse in a verry short time.

    • Joe D

      Why is he illegal? The whole BIRTHER movement? Or is it his COLOR?
      You do know that BUSH called OBL on Sept 9th and gave him the OK. Thar is just as crazy as the Birther movement. Trust me I have a freind who worked for Hillary when she was Firat Lady, and she said if Hillary had that dirt on Obama in the Primaries she would have used it.

      • Ted Crawford

        Way to go joe! It didn’t take very long for a progressive to throw racism into it! Comrade Alinsky is proud of you joe!!!

        • Joe D

          Ted I asked a question? I have one question to you, Where were the TEA BAGGERS when the debt doubled from 2001 to 2009. Not a word. Less than 90Days into the Obama elected Administration they were so concerned about the Debt. A rational person would say that either the TEA BAGGERS are clown controlled by the GOP or they are Racist

          • James

            First of alol. Congresscontrols the purse strings, not the president-Second, we were attacked on 9/11, and had to go to war, which is always expensive. Third, you people seem to forget that George W. Bush actually VETOED one of the biggest spending bills in the history of the nation, but the Democratically controlled Congress OVERODE that veto, and passed it anyway. So, don’t be an idiot and blame only Bush-the Dems have a lot to do with our debt problems, epseciialy now-Obama spent more money in his first year as President, than ALL OF THE PRESIDENTS COMBINED, THROUGHOUT THE HISTORY OF THE COUNTRY, INCLUDING GEORGE BUSH! Wake up!

          • Bruce

            Joe, If your gay thats ok with us, but don’t be so vocal about it.

          • Joe D

            bruce in 2009 the people in the Movement were going around and saying we are TEA BAGGERS thought it was funny that they had no idea what a Tea bagger was, BTW hetreos do it all well. Even better a group was on the web with a group looking for Two Million for Marraige, they used the name 2M4M in Village Voice speak that stands for 2 men for a man Got a good laugh at that

          • JeffH

            JoeD, you are a straight up liberal racist…you’ve learned your lessons well…

          • Ted Crawford

            The Tea Party was formed in 2008, in direct opposition to the bush administrations tax increases and growth of government!

          • JC

            Wow! Yet another Liberal obcessed with a homo-sexuakl act. There’s just no end to these guys.
            It was the Kenyan who woke America up Tea Bagging guy!
            It’s the ONLY thing he’s done right.

      • Joe D

        James when the Democrats NEVER had the ability to override a veto. In the Congress 2007 -2009 The Senate was only 54 Dems. ME thinks you LIE It takes 67 votes to over ride a Presidental Veto in the Senate

        • Vicki
        • CLARENCE SWINNEY

          Joe D stop
          wasting time

          James is off the ship

          “Obama spend more in first year than all combined”???

          Lost at Sea

          Obama submitted his first budget in 2009
          It was for 2010 spending (3800B)10-1-09 to 9-30-10
          He has 9 months of his first budget under his belt.
          He has 1000B of Deficit after 9 nmonths.

          Will he top Bush Doubling Spending and Doubling Debt???

          Perhaps. Two Wars–Greatst Recession in history-Destroyed Financial System-Huge Tax Cuts for Richest

          Obama Inherited a Tsunami.
          I have many problems with his policies.
          I thought he was to get us out of Third Poorest Nation.
          Ungovernable Population with thousands of small tribes seeking own power
          Close pal is in my office almost daily and he spent time in Afghan.
          A disaster as a nation. Poor uneducated controlled by small groups of warlords. Small villages.

          send my handsome grandson home you dumb ass
          I have no fight with those 7000 Miles away. Unarmed.No planes. No missiles. No no no How stupid can we get?

      • wayne a

        JOE,if obuma is legal why won’t he show his birth certificate? only thing he has shown was a live birth certificate that is given to anyone that moves to hawaii and asks for one for their child even if they were not born there.

        • John Woodbury

          Wayne, let us say for a moment he was born in Hawaii, and that is a big if. He listed himself as Indonesian on records with Occidental University, took foreign student aid money, and did so for all four years. So where are the legal papers changing his nationality? His name was Barry Suharto, when and where did he change it in court to Barrack Obama? We only have records form one school because he sealed the rest, that one was gotten underhanded. There is a question of authenticity of the Certification of Live Birth, as many people say it was forged or ”crafted” during the campaign. All in all, he is not the person we all thought he was, are we even sure he is Barry?

    • slickporsche

      That is exactly why we need to organize a huge and organized MALITIA
      to participate in a revolution. Voting is not enough and is exactly what got us into this mess.We need to start over with a new government by the people and for the people, and guided by the bill of rights, and our constitution, which our current form of government hates. I do believe it is very very possible to acheive, as the majority of the military would be on our side. WE could also contact some of you allies for help. I bet they would love to get involved. If planned correctly, it would be over quickly, because the liberals do not have the stomach for a good fight.

      • Ted Crawford

        Some of us believe that something like this is EXACTLY what he wants! It would be a valid reason to implament Martial Law and suspend the elections! Let’s just stay the course and vote for the good of our Nation!!!

        • momof4

          Yes, Ted you are correct.

        • Angel-Wanna-Be

          TC, Thats exactly what Bambi wants, to impose martial law and no elections, we must hold a peaceful course!

          • JC

            Peaceful, but not pacifist.

      • Vicki

        The problem with revolution.
        Simple really. We do not have ANYONE wise enough to lead us thru a revolution (bloody things) and back to a Constitutionally Limited Republic.

        We do have however as a people working in concert as with the Tea Party movement (It is a party not a sex act) and with the internet, the power to peaceably remove from office those who would rule rather than govern.

        The soapbox and ballot box (and even jury box), though a bit tattered from hanging chad to FCC “fairness” to lack of education (The duties of Jurors. See FIJA.org), enable us to wield the ultimate power over our future and whom we elect to represent us.

        While we are waiting for the ballot box to open in Nov we can bombard the current Congress daily with our objections (www.downsizeDC.org).

      • 45caliber

        You REALLY want to give Oblama the Presidency for the rest of his life, don’t you? Do you believe for a moment that those in power in BOTH parties would hesitate to drop a nuke on any armed group and then declare a military martial law for the “duration” which will not end as long as the Democrats remain in power – and all elections will be stopped to insure they stay there.

        Let’s just plan to vote. Do it at the site, since absentee votes generally aren’t counted UNLESS an election is very close – within a couple of hundred votes difference. You might want to look into becoming an election official to see that the voting is fair – and to stop anyone from rigging the election.

      • eddie47d

        Still in high school Slickporsche? The guy who’s always looking for a good fight! Most of us call them bullies. Clinton “won” the war in Serbia and did it without any American WAR casualties. Most of the countries over there are doing okay.

        • wayne a

          EDDIE,refresh my memmory,just how did clinton win the war in serbia?

          • eddie47d

            By giving various countries that Serbia controlled a chance to get out out of it’s grip. (Bosnia.Croatia,Montenegro,Kosovo). Serbia kept massacring the citizens of these countries and Clinton bombed Belgrade.He then with the help of NATO brought the war criminals to trial. Our presence over there is at a minimum. Have a clear path to victory and get the job done as fast as possible and with as few casualties as possible. He did achieve that.

          • JC

            And is that how Clinton helped the Kurds in southern Turkey and Northern Iraq? Oh no wait, he bombed the hell out of them.

  • Only in America

    Better to beware of extremism like the Tea Party.

    Ronald Reagan set trickle down and decontrol in motion. Now it is time to cut and cut or pay the piper. Many were elected saying they would cut taxes and spending yet we have bankrupt states as a result. They didn’t cut spending. Wars, schools, police, firemen, welfare, highways, libraries were never for free. Like the sub primes the public spending is another shoe to drop. It won’t be pretty.

    If you aren’t careful you will expand the intrusion on your freedom. Guns aren’t the only thing protected.

    Peek behind the curtain into the future you will see a 1984 type world. In that world of little liberty, guns will be presumed unnecessary because of the surveillance and police state make you safe.

    • J.M.R.

      you sound like one of those good libs

    • slickporsche

      I think from your ranting here, you an enemy of the state, and part of the extreme movement to turn our republic into a socialist state.

    • Joe D

      Only in America

      SO True the Tea Baggers have so much in common with the Nazis. Then vs. US and he is not one of US. Who in their right minds thinks that other Candidates would not dig up dirt like non natie issue. They also can not accept that Obama’s Mother was born here and he was a citizen because of it, To the BIRTHERS it is called AU JUS (from the Blood) and only one parent not both.

      TEA BAGGERS are the new Brown Shirts

      • CONSERVATIVE AT BIRTH

        You obviously have no idea what the Tea Party Movement is all about. The brown shirts are in power for now. Let’s see what happens in November. I see a new dawning in America. More and more of the ignorant are becoming aware of the true goals of the Obama/Soros crowd, of which you are obviously apart.

        • Joe D

          Take the speeches of Hitler prior to 1933, and listen to his rants. The TEA BAGGERS are the same they are not one of US they are out to take our children etc. What is one sign at every TEA BAG metting Show Your Birth Cert? His mother was born here so he is a CITIZEN. Yeah a person went back in the WAY BACK MACHINE with Sherman and Mister Peabody and placed a Birth Notice in the Honolulu News paper

          • Bbby T

            you are one sick puppy. grow up and see the real world that is crashing around you.

          • Doug Reiber

            What a fool. Learn before you open your mouth.

          • 45caliber

            Joe. Perhaps this will help you identify who is whom.

            If a conservative doesn’t like gun’s, he doesn’t buy one.
            If a liberal doesn’t like the name gun’s, he wants all guns outlawed.
            If a conservative is a vegetarian, he doesn’t eat meat.
            If a liberal is a vegetarian, he wants all meat products banned for everyone.
            If a conservative is homosexual, he quietly leads his life.
            If a liberal is homosexual, he demands legislated respect.
            If a conservative is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his situation.
            A liberal wonders who is going to take care of him.
            If a conservative doesn’t like a talk show host, he switches channels.
            Liberals demand that those they don’t like be shut down.
            If a conservative is a non-believer, he doesn’t go to church.
            A liberal non-believer wants any mention of God and religion silenced.
            (Unless it’s a foreign religion, of course!)
            If a conservative decides he needs health care, he goes about shopping for it, or may choose a job that provides it.
            A liberal demands that the rest of us pay for his.

        • Joe D

          CON at BIRTH want to read BROWN SHIRT read the Patriot Act 700+ pages written in 15 days and forced to pass in 3 days. Tell me that THE PATRIOT ACT all the letters mean something was not written pre 9/11

        • JeffH

          CaB…that is all the liberal Demovrats have left…drink the swill and rain the rhetoric on the Tea Party movement…this is what one gets when ones only news source is Keith Obberman…George Soros and everything you want to know can be found right on this link…
          http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=977

          • eddie47d

            The Tea Party get’s it’s cue from Glenn Beck who uses many Nazi scare tactics. So Joe is somewhat right.

          • 45caliber

            Hey, it’s pretty seldom when even a liberal says a liberal is even partly wrong.

          • JeffH

            fast eddie is always good for a laugh or two.

      • http://INTERNETEXPLORER GUNDOCTOR

        THEN WHY WON’T HE STEP UP AND PROVE IT?? IT WOULD BE SO SIMPLE, IF SUCH PROOF EXISTS, BUT YOU YOURSELF KNOW IT DOESN’T, OR IT WOULD HAVE BEEN PRODUCED BY NOW!! COMMUNIST BOOGER EATING MORONS!

        • 45caliber

          I’d like to see why he won’t. But I suspect his main reason is that Oblama has no idea of where he was born in the first place. So he doesn’t know where to apply to get one. He probably THOUGHT he was born in Hawaii until they couldn’t find a birth certificate there and now doesn’t know where to look.

          • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Jill

            well said there 45 calib. If a conservative doesn’t want to go to church, he does not go. If a liberal does not want to go to church he closes all churches down.
            Conservatives are about choice and FREEDOM to make that choice. Liberals are about control. Do as we say.
            The tea party movement is about rallying to preserve our freedoms. Tea party activists want LESSER GOVERNMENT AND LESSER TAXES. That is all.

      • Bruce

        Hey Joe Dee, Its seems you have a real issue with being gay, why is that are you now beating gays up? The post that you keep making are laden with hate rhetoric and excessive hate toward gay people, yet you claim that you are gay. I can’t follow this logic pattern that you post over and over why do you hate so many people.

        So you joined the Tea Party and found out no one was buying into your rap, now you hate them too, you really need to see a Doc about these issues.

        • Joe D

          never joined the Tea party want to see how teh Nazi movement start in Germany in the 1930′s and the Tea party is pretty close. Started as a responce to a non threat and flued by demadogues like Sarah

          • alpha-lemming

            WAAAAaaaAAAAY WRONG their Hawking!! You’re blogging here so I’ll assume you have some rudimentary computer skills. Google (bling, ask etc.) Nazis…. It’s an acronym….. Socialists is right there in the title. Which side of the aisle are Socialists??? I don’t think it’s the Partiers.

      • 45caliber

        Sorry, Joe. The brown shirts insisted Hitler was God and collected all the guns while beating up anyone who disagreed with them. (Then they became SS Troops and Gestopo.) The only group I’ve seen lately doing that is the Purple-shirted union group that Oblama loves. I think you have them mixed up.

    • 45caliber

      Take a look at the country as a whole. Who are the extremes? Is it the conservatives who want to require a balanced budget by cutting the non-needed things? (Like foreign aid to ALL countries, buying private land for no other purpose than having the government own it, giving to charities, etc.) Is it the tea-party people who don’t like paying taxes that are going to be wasted? Is it the people who doesn’t like the government paying $600 for a toliet seat? Is it the people who want to use the government money to buy votes? Is it the people who don’t care where the money comes from as long as they can continue to live off the government without having to work? Is it the people who makes money off those who don’t have it by “organizing” them?

      Don’t simply blame a party. Don’t assume that someone who is different from you is a fringe person.

      Too many people in both parties assumes they are the center. Even if they are the far left or the far right.

    • wayne a

      ONLY AMERICA,you’re blaming reagan for this mess of obuma’s?first,historians have already ranked reagan as one of the top presidents in the last century.the democrats have been in charge of the house 53 out of the last 63 yrs and the senate 56 out of the last 63yrs!

    • Vicki

      Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice.
      Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.

  • Joe D

    People when President Obama took office the nation was in a Financial Melt down. The Federal debt was sitting at 10.8 Trillion dollars. Ninety percent of that Debt was added by three Presidents Reagan Bush 41 and 43. When the former President took office in Jan 2001 he was given a 300 Billion a Year Surplus. Yes we had two wars to pay for, but we should not have done it on a Credit Card, and that is what we did.
    Lets me real and do a few things and be real about it. Cut Medicare no more hip replacements for 90 years olds, cut Social Security, and yeah cut the Defense Budget. Convert the Navy to protect the US not the World.
    I am going to quote Warren Buffet, and say that there is something wrong when my Secratary is paying more as a percentage than I am. The top 2% of the population who average 153Million a year in income pay 16% income tax something wrong here.
    What is more honest Taxing the People and feeling their rath at the Polls (like the Dems) or spending and borrowing like cowards (like the GOP does)

    • Big Ugly

      We’re supposed to listen to you when you don’t even seem to know that it is “wrath”?

      • Joe D

        OK cool aid drinker Wrath has no fury as a Moron scorned. Voodoo economics does not work. In Oct 2008 even as a Candidate Obama did more to prevent the collapse of our Financial System while Paulson and the other Cronies in the WH were out to protect their buddies. Spend and Tax is more Honest than Tax adn Borrow

        • American Citizen

          Another historian doing revisionist history. Democrats were supposed to be the overseers of the financial system and they did nothing to stop the tsunami that President Bush warned was coming. They lied to Congress and should have been removed from office. Who did Obama put in charge? The same foxes.

          • Joe D

            American Citizen who controlled the White House from 2001 to 2009? Who controlled the US House of Rep from 1993 to 2007? The answer was the GOP the party in the minority in the House can not pass an agenda. You GOP are strange you call Barney Frank a Stupid FAGGOT but then you give him SuperMan powers when he was not even the Minority leader of the Financial Committee.
            Glass Seigel was repealed by a GOP Congress.

        • 45caliber

          Joe, if you really believe what you say about spending, why aren’t you more against Oblama? He is signing us up for trillions of debt without any means of paying it back. And more taxing won’t work. We are already at the limit.

          I doubt if you are old enough to know but when Reagon cut taxes, the amount of tax the government collected went UP. The reason was that once the taxes go above a certain level, the tax payers go to accountants to find loopholes. That’s how the rich can get buy so well; they can afford to pay the accountants. But the middle class and poor can’t; they must generally work out what they are to pay themselves and they don’t know the loopholes.

          • CLARENCE SWINNEY

            NO way to pay off debt???
            Rich Got us the Debt via Tax Cuts
            Tax increase them is only way
            They have the Income and Wealth
            Remove Payroll Cap funds SS for 75 years.
            Tax Unearned Income same as Earned Income.
            Tax Estates Biggie
            Remove Corporate Loopholes which allow them
            to pay 16% on profits on 35% Top Rate. Rip off.

            In 2008–Top 400 Income paid 17% in Income Taxes.
            In 2008–
            Top 20% paid 30% of Total Income in Federal-State-Local Taxes.
            Middle 20% PAID 28% OR ALMOST SAME.

            Bottom 20% paid larger share of income in State and Local Taxes than Top 20%

            Folks! That is sad.

            2008
            1% owns 43% Total Finncial Wealth
            10% own 709%
            20% own 93%
            80% own 7%=120,000,000 workers shafted big time

            Tax The Rich is only way out of Debt.

            P.s. Reagan Tax Cuts did not pay for themselves.
            His 750 B Tax Cut for Rich.
            Income Revenue increased by 140B.. not 750B
            Big Big loser.

            His Payrolll Tax INCREASE brought in an increase of 210B.
            His 5 cent gas tax brought in 50B

            olduglymeanhonest

        • alpha-lemming

          Uhhh…. “Kool-Aid” You may have wrested the title from “Special EDdie” or mor’N as the best bad example on the site.

    • slickporsche

      You sir are a socialist PIG, and you and your kind will be brought down soon. There are those Americans that are willing to die to protect this republic and you have been declared as game.

      • Joe D

        Slick you ever serve. I DOUBT IT Peopel like you are one reason we should repeal the 2 ND Ad to the USC.
        The thing you wrote is a terrorist threat MORON

        • CONSERVATIVE AT BIRTH

          You have declared yourself my mortal enemy. My firearms are ready for your demise.

          • Joe D

            Another Terrorist threat. One more reason you should have to go to a Shrink for at least ten sessions before you get a gun

        • Bruce

          Hey JoeDEE, It sure looks like you need one of the Darwin awards. You are so hate filled that the post you make look like a mad dog is penning them. Ok so youre gay we get it, thats ok with us, don’t hate yourself.

        • Craig

          You are too stupid to even know what a terrorist threat is, moron.

        • Doug Reiber

          Actually what he wrote was a promise for liberal fools futures such as yourself.

        • 45caliber

          Afraid of guns? Can’t defend yourself? Are sure crime is caused by guns alone? Trust the government to ALWAYS do what is right for you? You would have to answer YES to all these questions to want to get rid of the 2nd Amendment.

    • Brad

      Joe D, are you really for the nanny state, where government tells you what you will do on a daily basis, don’t you have a single innovative thought in your head that would help turn this great country around and make it better for the people? Why are you drinking the far lefts cool aid, people like you should have to live in a communist country for one month then move back; debt you’d be singing a different tune, inquiring minds want to know? The reason Clinton had a balanced budget is because the republican controlled congress gave it to him. Please read your economics history, Clinton also gave GWB the start of a major recession to deal with to include lack security which caused 9/11, all under Clintons watch, DUDE.

      As for the 2000 vote, good ol Al Gore lost every single recount and how many where there, 3, and he lost each one, the supreme court stopped him and the only thing he could was cry like a winey baby, that his election was taken from him, quit living in the past, its old news. Right now we need to get rid of all incumbents from both parties and vote in representatives and senators who value the constitution and who will quit spending us down the road to socialism. This is a proud country, a strong country, but right now what we as Americans need the most is a President who will lead and not the one we currently have “He’s A LAME DUCK”, what we need are jobs, reform the IRS and vote in “THE FAIR TAX”. Convene a constitutional convention and amend the constitution with the 28th amendment. I do believe in term limits for the house and senate, set a fair pay scale for them with no pay raises!

      • 45caliber

        The Supreme Court stopped the recounts when Gore and friends wanted to pick and choose which precincts they would recount. It was also obvioius that many of the counters were altering the cards to either disqualify them (show two votes in the same race) or to vote for a person when the voter hadn’t voted for either side. I can’t recall a single recount that Gore didn’t lose. The Dems wanted ONLY Miami counted and the recount officals insisted it had to be the whole state AND the absentee military voters too. The Dems didn’t want that. Even when they counted only Miami he still lost.

    • GlennAz

      Joe you are a true liberal thinker. Your cuts are all against the people that worked for a living. For your information Obama has already cut 500 billion out of medicare but not one penny from Medicaid. Next year he is also cutting $1,000 more a year out of medicare. This year I had to pay $36 a month for medicare so next year will add another $1,00 a year to that. No raises for social security but congress saw fit to raise their wages. People on social security have been hammered more than anyone else so far. Now people like you should be thrilled that the people that have worked for a living are getting screwed.

      • eddie47d

        What are your solutions to the Social Security issues? Pay more to stay solvent? Apparently not. Raise the age to 70-72 for younger citizens? Reduce benefit? Keep children out of the equation?

        • 45caliber

          Keep children out, yes. Keep the mentally ill and handicapped out, yes. Keep illegals off, yes. Keep those off who don’t pay into it, yes. SS was supposed to be just for retirement; not for everyone.

        • CLARENCE SWINNEY

          social security solvency
          easy solution
          remove Payroll Cap and let Rich pay Fair Share.
          Solvent for decades.

          Why should teachers-police-firemen-miners etc pay full rate and Rich get capped at 1/100th of income? Dumb are we not?

          Work in tobacco fields–work in textile mill-work in city street department. Taxed at 28% Rate
          Sit on butt pushing buttons on Wall Street taxed at 15% rate.

          What is wrong with our priorities? Sense of Fairness?

          FEW OWN THE MASSES getting worse and worse

          KNOW WHY?
          USA now WSA wall street of america

          Own our Wealth
          Own our Corporations
          Own our Banks
          Own Congress
          Own Executive

          BY DESIGN Place your people in key positions.
          42 out of Goldman Sachs
          In Pentagon
          In Treasury
          In Federal Reserve
          In White House CEA

          Where are Academia???

          $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ BUYS $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ GOVERNMENTS

          Folks it is true we do not want to believe it.

          • 45caliber

            You can get solvancy for SS ONLY if you keep the sticky fingers of Congress off it.

          • DaveH

            You want fair, Clarence? Then every adult (we’re all equal under the law) pays the same amount. They don’t have you fill out an income statement at the car dealer before they price your car, do they? That way, instead of 50%, who pay nothing, getting to vote for all the Government somebody else can afford, every adult would have skin in the game and make real decisions about how much Government they really want.
            Take off those Green Glasses. Government loves the people who practice the politics of envy. That way the leaders can steer you around by the nose all day long. If you really want a piece of the pie, then vote for getting the Government out of the marketplace, so you don’t have to jump over myriad government hurdles to become successful. The rich can afford to jump those hurdles and they love it when Government creates enough of them to keep the rest of us from offering competition.

        • Big Bad Bob

          How about the goverment paying back all the IOU’s they stole from the SS trust fund. That would make SS solvent.

          • JeffH

            Either way we are paying for it…again and again. But your idea is right on the money.

          • DaveH

            Can you imagine what the government would do to a private company that treated their pension fund that way?

    • 45caliber

      I noticed you failed to mention cutting welfare and social services. Those are two of the really big areas of spending that should never have been started. No one was starving before it was enacted and no one will starve if it is eliminated. Some might think they would prefer to starve rather than work but that is their own business.

      And if we went to JUST the Navy to defend us, that would leave both the North and South borders wide open.

    • wayne a

      JOE,you need to check your facts,they are wrong!all experts have said,like it or not,that obuma has tripled the deficit to a historical 14 trillion dollars! you claim bush had the deficit at 10.4 trillion,do your math JOE,if you can.it doesn’t add up,i think maybe someone’s pulling these fictious numbers out of their a#$,JOE!

  • Joe D

    Mister Shelton
    If the Supreme Court had not appointed the loser of the 2000 election our nation might have been better off. The USSC actions were illegal a contested election under the Consitution should have gone to the House to de decided.

    • Ted Crawford

      You have either, not read the S.C. decision or are deliberatly misstateing it! The S.C. told gore that if he wanted a recount, he could have one! The only requirement was a TOTAL recount, not just the few districts gore wanted to recount!! He knew what the outcome of that would be! He decided to spin the decision instead!

      • wayne a

        TED,joe has a tendency to kind of exaggerate just a tad. lol he makes stuff up too!

    • American Citizen

      I love how you Liberals are so good at revisionist history. The Supreme Court did not appoint anybody. They forced the Dems to play by the rules. Every recount showed that George W. won.

      • Joe D

        OK Bush won Florida even after his Brother had State Troopers at Black pollig places doing warrent checks.
        Bush 43 will go down as the second worse President after NIXON. Well at least NIXON did not let us get attack to boost his poll numbers.

        • Doug Reiber

          Still a ranting fool, a person would think you would wear yourself out eventually.

        • 45caliber

          Bush had the State Troopers checking warrants? Wow! I wonder if we could do that at all polling places here in Texas next election!

          If you didn’t know it, it is illegal for criminals to vote, even though many Democrats don’t think that is fair. The reason? To prevent someone running for Governor or President to promise and give pardons to those who voted for him. And to make sure the criminals aren’t trying to put into office someone who is also a criminal.

        • wayne a

          JOE,do you think anyone believes you or takes your fairytales seriously?

    • DaveH

      Surely you jest, Joe. Gore has done enough damage to our country already with his Global Warming Scam. He would have Gored the taxpayers even more if he’d been elected president.

  • Karolyn

    Everybody has something to say, but WHAT WOULD YOU DO IF YOU WERE IN THE WHITE HOUSE? You think it’s so easy? Someone I knew a long time ago used to say that what we need is a Benevolent Dictator who is absolutely uncorrupted. Makes sense to me. You with all of your blah, blah, blah are doing nothing to help the situation. All you do is perpetuate the bad vibrations and anger. You all have solutions to everything. Why don’t you create your own thinktank to solve all the world’s ills. NEVER HAPPEN!!

    • Al Sieber

      Karolyn, so whats your solution smart ass? our solution is coming up in November.

    • slickporsche

      I would love to be in the White House for even a short time.I would undo everything that Odumbass has done, and for sure would listen to the people of the USA, and not the big money. I have a good thing for you to do Karolyn. GO LAY BY YOUR DISH BEFORE YOU GET BOOT KICKED.

    • American Citizen

      Solutions are being offered and ignored. Those in power now in D.C. just keep going their merry way and the Republic be damned.

    • 45caliber

      A benevalent Dictator? Well, it might help, if you could find one. The real problem is that there ISN’T one! Every person has his own agenda and what might be benevalent for one person is definately NOT for another one.

      What we REALLY need for all our leaders are people who are willing to accept a set group of laws guaranteeing freedom to as many people as possible and follow those laws. We have the laws – called the US Constitution – but it seems most politicians want to ignore them while doing what they can to help themselves by removing the freedoms for others.

      There are two ways to have freedom: Take it from everyone else so you have it all or share it with everyone else so everyone has the same amount. Too many people believe they should just take it all for themselves rather than allow others to be free too.

    • DaveH

      Karolyn reminded me of a point I’d like to make. Probably, whoever gets elected, we are screwed anyway. It would take a strong politician indeed to cut off the millions of people who are now getting their support from Government (I’m including Government employees). I think the probabilities are well greater than even that we are on the slippery slope to collapse. So my advice is to do everything you can to prepare yourself for that event.
      However, meanwhile, we should continue to fight the good fight and hope for the best. Who knows, the citizens may finally wake up to the reality that the Government is just one Big Gang who are going to look out for themselves first.

      • JC

        DaveH, in order to stop welfare, any politician would first have to relinquish all control and ties with big business. Some time would have to pass with no “corporate welfare” in order to have an actual grounded economy emerge. Also, cut income tax way down or eliminate it. Then and only then can you begin to unwind welfare…first by cutting down on the size of the checks and then cutting them off altogether…over a period of time people would begin to go back to work as it would ince again be necessary in order to have any quality of life.

        “The budget should be balanced, the treasury should be refilled, public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest Rome become bankrupt, the mobs should be forced to work and not depend on government for subsistence.”
        ~ Marcus Tullius Cicero

    • wayne a

      KAROLYN,i know one thing i wouldn’t do,make 20 million illegals citizens when we have millions of Americans are out of work!could any of us do any worse than obama has?

  • http://N/A singer23

    Not to worry folks, the American voter will disappoint Conservatives, as they always have in the past! People will vote for the same Liberal politicians they do election after election. The way they look at things is simple, your congressman is the problem, not theirs! They will vote these big spending, big government, idiots back into office and Obama will be reelected in 2012! There just aren’t enough people to make a difference. If they can’t win legally, they will cheat! Look what happened in Minnesota, Al Franken had enough felons vote for him, so he won! Do you think the knowledge of that will make a difference? I don’t think so. We are on a path of destruction and the American people are just watching it happen! The Tea Party people are fighting with each other and the mainstream media will report every negative news story they can, to belittle anything the Tea Party does! If the American people can’t see what’s happening by now, the cause is lost!

    • Joe D

      Singer that felon thing is a Conservative groups idea Franken won by 312 and the group said the felons who voted were 314 so they marched in Goose stepping lock step and voted as a group for Franken. I think if you look at it the Sec of State is a GOP so why did they have 314 felons on the voter polls.

      • momof4

        JoeD,
        Are you saying the Sec of state in minnesota is a GOP?

    • slickporsche

      You are very correct. November will not bring about change for the better. Most of the anger will be cooled by then so as you say they will vote like always. It will take a revolution to get things corrected in this country. THat is the only thing that will work.

      • http://personalliberty.com Jessica

        Slickporsche, I beg to disagree with your bleak assessment of the electorate. From what I hear on the street, Obama’s liberal base is not very enthusiastic about the coming elections. The blacks are angry because they are losing jobs at three times the rate of whites. Many are being pushed out of jobs by illegals who work longer hours for less pay. The Hispanics are angry because too much backlash has prevented Obama from forcing amnesty on us in time for the election. The environmentalists are angry because of his botched handling of the Gulf Oil Disaster, which made a bad situation much worse. And the anti-war moonbats are angry because we’re still in Afganistan, the situation is getting worse, and the Chinese are still getting all of the heroin. It looks like ACORN and the unions are really going to have to scour the graveyards this time around.

    • CONSERVATIVE AT BIRTH

      Where did you hear that the Tea Pary Movement is fighting amongst themselves? That is news to me.

      • Joe D

        The leader of the TEA BAGGER EXPRESS the one assocaiated with Palin basically got fired for racist comments

        • Bruce

          Hey JoeDee, Ok as I said so what you being gay is not an issue with us. So get over it.

        • DaveH

          Okay, Joe, so explain to me why people can’t make racist remarks, but you can indulge in your foul-mouthed name-calling all you want?

        • wayne a

          JOE,THAT’S ONLY ONE PERSON!another comment from joe’s fairytales.

    • CLARENCE SWINNEY

      big spending conservatives folks
      1980-2010
      3 prez
      1000B Debt added on 9000B
      600B budget took to 3600B
      to 1400B Deficit

      Bush and Mob did more damage to America than any in history

      olduglymeanhonest

      • DaveH

        The Bush gang wasn’t conservative. They were Republican Liberals who grew the government bigger. But then your man Obama showed those lightweights who the Champion Big Spender was.

  • Al Sieber

    Tax, spend, and print up more money, the Vat tax and the carbon tax are going to be the final straw. we’ve come a long way, back to bondage again, and the majority of the people don’t care.

    • 45caliber

      Al, the old idea of “Indentured Servant” was a form of slavery. They had to work until their “debt” (usually incured against the will of the servant) was paid off. The “master” would add their costs of food and clothing to the debt and it was a hundred times the actual cost. Instead of paying off in seven years as the history books stated, they never paid off.

      And the government is doing the same thing now. They run up a debt that the “servants” (us) are to pay off and claim it is all for us. It continues to go up every year since the money we pay them is never enough to cover what they say we owe. To make sure that we can’t get enough to payout, they keep raising the amount we must pay to insure we have only the bare minimum for ourselves. And if they take enough that we don’t even have the bare minimum, well, they can simply charge us more for it.

  • Raggs

    Is there a way to repeal this obamanation?
    Can the Republicans refuse to finance the health-care?

    obama is heading to destroy this country, there has to be a way to stop his madness.

    • DaveH

      They can simply vote to rescind the Healthcare Bill (it’s unconstitutional anyway). But my money says they won’t. The Republicans like Big Government almost as much as the Democrats do.
      There is only one Political Party that knows what Freedom is.
      If you want Individual Freedom, Personal Responsibility, Free Markets, and Limited Government, then quit wasting your votes on Republicans.

      Vote Libertarian:
      http://libertarianparty.org/platform

      • Coservative at Birth

        Voting for fringe third parties accomplishes nothing. The Libertarians were at one time in favor of open borders. No thank you. Get involved at the Grass Roots Level of either the Republican of Democrat party and change it from the inside for the better.

        • DaveH

          They are in favor of legal immigration. We (or our ancestors) all came to this country from somewhere else. I don’t condone illegal entry into this country and the laws should be enforced. But, The Mexican immigrants aren’t the cause of this country’s collapse. The Government is. We have too much Government and your Republican Party has been complicit in its growth. Why waste time trying to change a party that hasn’t changed for the better in my lifetime?
          Republicans love Big Government almost as much as do the Democrats, they just have a different agenda.
          I heard that same tired mantra after Jimmy Carter almost destroyed our country. And the results of people putting their faith in the Republicans? Nothing, but Bigger Government.
          The Libertarians are the only Party I know who don’t try to force their pet agendas on the rest of the citizens.

          • JC

            DaveH, Conservative at Birth demonstrates quite cleary what is wrong with today’s Conservatism. For the most part they are simply party loyalists and know very little about the intent of the Constitution.
            Both sides of the aisle need to study their history and examine their own sense of logic and morality.
            And neither side seems to have the first clue about Libertarianism other than what the MSM has told them to know.

  • Colo43

    times are changing and i think its only far that if the democrats take joy in inflecting pain on the American people then the rules should change for them as well.
    take them off the packages they now carry as the elite – no more pensions, they should pay into SS and health like we are being made to do.
    only 2 terms and then their out the door like anyone else. You don’t like it, sorry charlie, the American people have spoken !

    • CONSERVATIVE AT BIRTH

      EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!

    • 45caliber

      That includes EVERYONE who sits and draws a government check without working too. Let’s solve the real money problem by cutting all welfare and other “free” money.

      • DaveH

        It is just plain theft (and slavery) to take money from one man to give to another who provides no service whatever to the unwilling donor.

  • Charles

    FUNNY THING—WE WENT IN THE SERVICE IN WW2 TO DESTROY THE AXIS. THEIR PLAN WAS TO TAKE THE WORLD INTO THEIR HANDS AND RULE IT. THEY FAILED OF COURSE,AND OUR WORLD WAS A BETTER PLACE, AT LEAST FOR THE MOST PART. NOW WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS THE SAME THING ALL OVER, BUT IT’S HERE, RIGHT AT OUR DOORSTEPS. THE LEADERS OF THE SOCIAL POISON THIS TIME AROUND ARE THE MANIACS IN WASHINGTON, OUR POLITICIANS AND THE OTHER ILK IN THE BACKGROUND. AND THE LEADER IS THE LARGEST OF THE MANIACS, AND SITS IN THE WHITEHOUSE. FRAUDULENTLY!!!IT’S HARD TO COMPREHEND HOW PEOPLE OF THE LATEST GENERATIONS HAVE FALLEN TO SUCH A LEVEL OF FOOLISHNESS!FORMER VALUES SRE NOW SNEERED UPON, AND GOD IS SMOTHERED BY POLITICAL CORRECTNESS!! WISH I HAD A TIME MACHINE–I’D RETREAT BACK TO THE 1950′S, AND NORMALCY!!!

    • Joe D

      OK Birth he does not have a VALID BIRTH CERT. You do know that BUSH allowed the attacks on 9/11 to take over the Government. OK disprove it

      • CONSERVATIVE AT BIRTH

        Where is the evidence? You obviously are a kool aid drinker.

        • Joe D

          NO the 9/11 allowing nuta are just as NUTS as the BIRTHERS are. At every TEA BAGGER rally you see signs to see a Birth Cert. OBAMA was born in Honolulu, but most TEA BAGGERS are stuck in the 50′s and can not accept a Black President

          • James

            That’s ridiculous. I like the tea party concept, and I have nothing against colored people-had many as friends growing up down South. That is an ignorant statement.

          • James

            What I don’t like is a government out of control, especially with their spending, and one that is trying to make this nation even MORE socialized (very BAD idea),than it is now. They are way too corrupt to take us into this direction anyway. Anyone with a brain, should take a good look at England, greece, Spain, etc.-Countries even more socialistic and yes, WORSE off , than we are. It fails just about evrywhere in the world. It also leads to satism, and can even lead to communism. Wake up you fools!

          • Joe D

            James we as a nation had three Presidents who ran up the debt , and the “good Partiots” of the TEA BAGGERS said nothing. OK lets get rid of the Socailist Get rid of the Farm Supports why should the government support farmers. Get rid of the IRS Code flat rate VAT tax, simple and fair.
            Please do not use they I have Black friends, the leader of the TEA BAGGER EXPRESS was tossed under the Bus for being a Racist

          • Doug Reiber

            Black smack who cares what color you fool. Just let him prove he is who he says he is. Not unreasonable and justified to be President.

          • JeffH

            JoeD, it seems the only defensive arguement you can make is racially hate based one…proove to us then that the Tea Party movement is racist…you can’t!

          • Vicki

            Joe D writes:
            “James we as a nation had three Presidents who ran up the debt , and the “good Partiots” of the TEA BAGGERS said nothing.”

            You must be new around here cause I know lots of gay folk who spoke out time and time again against CONGRESS as it ran up the debt. The current Congress just happens to be Democrat and is running up the debt MANY TIMES faster than previous Congresses.

            One thing is different this time. Lots and lots of people who ALSO COMPLAINED about congress running up the debt have formed a movement called the Tea Party movement to help draw attention to not only the current Congress debt behavior but also the current admin plans to create a socialist paradise here in the US.

          • DaveH

            You’re right, Joe, we should scrap the Income Tax, but to replace it with a VAT would be a terrible idea. Talk about grinding the economy to a halt. A Value-Added-Tax would be even more of a paperwork nightmare than the Income Tax is.
            The first thing we need to do is cut the Government Spending dramatically. Then to pay for the remaining bill there should be a Flat Tax. Notice I didn’t say Flat Rate Tax. With a Flat Tax every adult would be liable for the same taxes. Then the people who couldn’t afford to pay would be the ones who would have to fill out paperwork explaining why they couldn’t pay. The rest of us would write a check and be done with it. No ridiculous paperwork hoops to jump through as if we were trained seals. And the non-payers would not be allowed to vote until they were once-again (if ever) tax-paying citizens. That way we wouldn’t have people with no skin in the game voting for all kinds of reckless spending. You can bet if we all paid the same amount, the size of government would shrink rapidly. People would be a lot more careful what they voted for if the money was coming out of their own pockets. Of course the politicians aren’t going to willingly design such a tax system because they have a vested interest in keeping the government big.

          • momof4

            JoeD,
            You really are sick. You should seek help.

      • 45caliber

        Joe, I’m sorry to say that this is just another liberal rant that has no evidence to prove it. If it did, do you think for a moment that every citizen of the US wouldn’t jump up and demand punishment for him? That includes conservatives. Yes, it was looked at closely, and nothing was found.

        But one liberal argument has always been: “Why can’t we do this? THEY did it! I don’t care if you have no proof! We should be able to do it too!” And – like the terrorists – they want to do it first.

      • wayne a

        JOE,you’re an idiot!clinton had 2 chances to get bin laden but nixed the plan both times.in a interview bin laden said that the reason they attacked the trade centers again was because of the weak response from clinton made the US look weak.besides the terrorist trained here in the US for almost 2 yrs while clinton was president!bush was only in office 81/2 months before 9-11 so how in the hell did bush let them. you’re an idiot!

    • Joe D

      Back to the 50′s where the Darkies knew their place Right buddy

      • Strawberry Shortcake

        Don’t you see Joe D? It’s bigger than white vs. black…that’s the tool they are going to use to pit us against each other, it’s an easy tool. Obama getting into office was nothing more than the final nail in the really big coffin (and they’ve been hammering long before Bush). How easy it is to put the first black president into his seat and start pushing more radical anti-american, anti-constitution legislation. He’s a puppet and the only thing race has to do with it is those that are unable to separate it. Most black americans aren’t going to abandon the first black president, regardless of what he may be spewing…and the big puppeteers know this. So while everyone is pointing racial fingers they’re moving forward on their agenda of control. By the time people like you realize that this will also affect you, it’s going to be too late. You are enslaving yourselves in your ignorance.

        • Joe D

          Shortcake I love you people Consitutional I will blame everybody on this. What is the most UnConsitutional thing that the COngress does, it allows the President to go to War and not declare WAR. If this nation wants to go to WAR I would support any but only if when we are at war EVERYBODY at age 18 gets Drafted NO DEFERMENTS Honestly how supportive would you be if your son and/or Daughter was in service on the day after their 18th B day

          • 45caliber

            Read the Constitution, Joe. The President has NO authority to declare war. ONLY CONGRESS CAN DECLARE WAR! Once a war is declared, the President is to command it – but CONGRESS CAN’T. That is one of the problems between Congress and the President. They don’t want to allow the President the control after it has been declared so they either don’t declare war (Korea and Vietnam) and try to control it or they declare it and then try to destroy the President for controlling it without them.

            As for our two wars now, Congress declared war in both cases. Check the voting.

          • 45caliber

            Draft? Fine by me. I think we need to draft everyone out of high school anyway. They take basic training and then decided to go military or civilian. If military they stay in for a minimum of two years. If civilian, they work at things like picking up paper, etc. for the same two years.

            Most parents don’t like war but understand its need. Take WWII for instance. Do you think that everyone then WANTED their kids to go to war and risk their lives? Not hardly. But they knew the consequences if they didn’t.

            The problem now is that many people refuse to face the need for war. They are willing to sacrifice all those killed on 9/11 and all the soldiers who have fought and died since just to win a few politicial points needed at the moment instead of considering what would happen if we DIDN’T go to war with the terrorists. Things like risking death every time you went to Walmart or had a birthday party or wedding. Risking our freedom being taken away by someone like Saddam who liked to create new ways to kill people and try them on his own people.

          • DaveH

            Name me, 45, one foreign war in which we actually accomplished anything? Wars are invented by the people with money and power and fought by the lowly citizens who don’t know any better.
            The only war I know of that I would stand behind is the revolutionary war, where people actually were fighting for their freedom.

          • 45caliber

            Dave: I’d say that WWII accomplished a LOT. It got rid of the Nazis, it stopped Japan from taking over half the world, and it insured the freedom of Europe (at least for fifty years or so) and it insured we didn’t have to fight all the entire world at the same time – which would have happened once Germany and Japan had conquered everyone else.

          • DaveH

            So we got rid of the Nazis, 45, and then proceeded to turn over many of the countries who had been subjugated to the USSR to further subjugate them. Some Victory.

        • Joe D

          Shortcake bet your Mom said the same thing about Kennedy in 1960. Want to know why I think it is about Race look at the voting patterns of the South. Solid Dem until the passing of the Voter Rights Act of 1965 then they became Solid GOP and yeah N Lover wsa used a few times

          • 45caliber

            You are correct about the change in voter counts before and after 1965.

            The Dems until that time represented the comman worker in Washington. That includes most of the South. The GOP represented the haves.

            But when the Dems discovered the minority voting blocks in 1965 they decided that they could buy the votes cheaply – with the common man paying for them. The common man didn’t like seeing his taxes going up to pay for the votes from minority groups. But when he tried to make a point of that with the Dem leaders the common man was ignored. So most changed to the GOP in defense.

            I’m not exactly sure what your point was when you mentioned this. But I lived it.

          • DaveH

            Joe,
            If you think it is about race, and whites are racists, how do you explain this?
            http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/04/exit.polls/

          • DaveH
          • DaveH

            It gets real old to hear people constantly dissing whites for their supposed prejudice, yet the racist blacks get a free pass. Why is that?

      • American Citizen

        Wake up! What is going on today has nothing to do with skin color. You Liberals are so good at playing the racist card.

        • 45caliber

          The racist card is simply to insure that the minority groups won’t look further for cause. And they won’t until they find themselves again in bonds.

          One of the things I think is the funniest are those now on welfare. What is the most useless group of people in the US today? And the New Age Oblama is promising is for the useless people to go away. If you can’t work to support the government, you shouldn’t exist.

        • DaveH

          Liberals are all about manipulation. Their ideas can’t stand up to scrutiny, so they try to misdirect the issues to appeal to the people who think and vote based on their emotions instead of reason.

      • Raggs

        Joe you are a CREEP!!!

        Any chance you work with the NAACP or the “NEW” black panthers?
        Or prehaps your just a democrat that believe everyone is a Racist but you.

        • Joe D

          One The New Black panthers are like 10 People. As far as the NAACP I do not work for them, but I have seen Tea Bagger Rallies and Obama in White Face, Bone thru the Nose Kinda racist. This was in McKinney Tx Collin Co went 75% for McCain so these signs were not plants. Speeches raised where he was born. I have friends who worked for Hillary in the White House and she would have used it against Obama if it was TRUE. Some people are uncomfortable with a Black President as they were in 1960 with a Catholic President. Look at the rhetoric of today switch the word MUSLIM with CARHOLIC orPAPISt and you could be talking about Kennedy

          • 45caliber

            One big difference though between Oblama and Kennedy. Kennedy did try to help the country grow. Oblama isn’t.

          • DaveH

            You Liberals have it all neatly sewed up, don’t you? You can accuse people who you don’t know at all of all kinds of things, but if somebody gives you an actual example of Liberal misbehavior you will deny it to your dying days.
            The truth is that you want the money that other people earned legally and you will use any excuse possible to justify that greed for the money of others. All else is just a smokescreen to achieve your goals of wealth redistribution.

          • wayne a

            JOE,how is obama a black president? he’s 50% white and 50% black

          • http://personalliberty.com Jessica

            Joe D, you would be amazed at how many intelligent black Americans have joined the Tea Party Movement. It’s the cool thing to do this summer, because it sets us apart from the kool-aide drinking Obamanoids and all the other morons who aren’t paying attention. And you know who they are. The day after Obamacare passed, they showed up at doctors’ offices all over the country and demanded their free health care. And they are the ones who stood in line for hours on that cold, dreary Detroit street, thousands of them, waiting for Obama to break open his “stash” and start passing out big, fat reparations checks. I wonder how they felt when they realized that it was all just a hoax, and that the administration was laughing at them.

      • CONSERVATIVE AT BIRTH

        Thomas Sowell or Walter Williams are two black men that would do a superb job as President of the United States of America. Two Conservative black men by the way.

        • Joe D

          BUT they did not run Obama was elected the people have spoken

          • 45caliber

            And many are changing their minds very quickly.

            Tell me, if we must do everything the President wants as soon as he is elected, why doesn’t the Dems do that the moment a GOP President is elected? Your argument is circular; we MUST do whatever a Dem President wants but a GOP President is wrong even if elected by a majority.

      • Bruce

        Hey JoeDee, So youre gay and now your a raciest too! Man you need some help, they have Doc’s for these illness.

      • momof4

        The best thing we can all do is to ignore JoeD. He just wants us to get all pissed off and start saying things out of anger. just stay cool and ignore the fool!!!!

    • Angel-Wanna-Be

      Charles, HERE, HERE__We Remember what it was like to truley be free!!

  • http://www.charter.net James A Graham

    Geert Wilders is a Dutch Member of Parliament.

    In a generation or two, the US will ask itself: who lost Europe ?’

    Here is the speech of Geert Wilders, Chairman, Party for Freedom, the Netherlands , at the Four Seasons, New York , introducing an Alliance of Patriots and announcing the Facing Jihad Conference in Jerusalem.

    Dear friends, Thank you very much for inviting me.

    I come to America with a mission. All is not well in the old world. There is a tremendous danger looming, and it is very difficult to be optimistic. We might be in the final stages of the Islamization of Europe. This not only is a clear and present danger to the future of Europe itself, it is a threat to America and the sheer survival of the West. The United States as the last bastion of Western civilization, facing an Islamic Europe.

    First I will describe the situation on the ground in Europe . Then, I will say a few things about Islam. To close I will tell you about a meeting in Jerusalem .

    The Europe you know is changing.

    You have probably seen the landmarks. But in all of these cities, sometimes a few blocks away from your tourist destination, there is another world. It is the world of the parallel society created by Muslim mass-migration.

    All throughout Europe a new reality is rising: entire Muslim neighborhoods where very few indigenous people reside or are even seen. And if they are, they might regret it. This goes for the police as well. It’s the world of head scarves, where women walk around in figureless tents, with baby strollers and a group of children. Their husbands, or slaveholders if you prefer, walk three steps ahead. With mosques on many street corners. The shops have signs you and I cannot read. You will be hard-pressed to find any economic activity. These are Muslim ghettos controlled by religious fanatics. These are Muslim neighborhoods, and they are mushrooming in every city across Europe . These are the building-blocks for territorial control of increasingly larger portions of Europe , street by street, neighborhood by neighborhood, city by city.

    There are now thousands of mosques throughout Europe . With larger congregations than there are in churches. And in every European city there are plans to build super-mosques that will dwarf every church in the region. Clearly, the signal is: we rule.

    Many European cities are already one-quarter Muslim: just take Amsterdam , Marseille and Malmo in Sweden . In many cities the majority of the under-18 population is Muslim. Paris is now surrounded by a ring of Muslim neighborhoods. Mohammed is the most popular name among boys in many cities.

    In some elementary schools in Amsterdam the farm can no longer be mentioned, because that would also mean mentioning the pig, and that would be an insult to Muslims.

    Many state schools in Belgium and Denmark only serve halal food to all pupils. In once-tolerant Amsterdam gays are beaten up almost exclusively by Muslims. Non-Muslim women routinely hear ‘whore, whore’. Satellite dishes are not pointed to local TV stations, but to stations in the country of origin.

    In France school teachers are advised to avoid authors deemed offensive to Muslims, including Voltaire and Diderot; the same is increasingly true of Darwin . The history of the Holocaust can no longer be taught because of Muslim sensitivity.

    In England sharia courts are now officially part of the British legal system. Many neighborhoods in France are no-go areas for women without head scarves. Last week a man almost died after being beaten up by Muslims in Brussels , because he was drinking during the Ramadan.

    Jews are fleeing France in record numbers, on the run for the worst wave of anti-Semitism since World War II. French is now commonly spoken on the streets of Tel Aviv and Netanya , Israel . I could go on forever with stories like this. Stories about Islamization.

    A total of fifty-four million Muslims now live in Europe . San Diego University recently calculated that a staggering 25 percent of the population in Europe will be Muslim just 12 years from now. Bernhard Lewis has predicted a Muslim majority by the end of this century.

    Now these are just numbers. And the numbers would not be threatening if the Muslim-immigrants had a strong desire to assimilate. But there are few signs of that. The Pew Research Center reported that half of French Muslims see their loyalty to Islam as greater than their loyalty to France . One-third of French Muslims do not object to suicide attacks. The British Centre for Social Cohesion reported that one-third of British Muslim students are in favor of a worldwide caliphate. Muslims demand what they call ‘respect’. And this is how we give them respect. We have Muslim official state holidays.

    The Christian-Democratic attorney general is willing to accept sharia in the Netherlands if there is a Muslim majority. We have cabinet members with passports from Morocco and Turkey .

    Muslim demands are supported by unlawful behavior, ranging from petty crimes and random violence, for example against ambulance workers and bus drivers, to small-scale riots. Paris has seen its uprising in the low-income suburbs, the banlieus. I call the perpetrators ‘settlers’. Because that is what they are. They do not come to integrate into our societies; they come to integrate our society into their Dar-al-Islam. Therefore, they are settlers.

    Much of this street violence I mentioned is directed exclusively against non-Muslims, forcing many native people to leave their neighborhoods, their cities, their countries. Moreover, Muslims are now a swing vote not to be ignored.

    The second thing you need to know is the importance of Mohammed the prophet. His behavior is an example to all Muslims and cannot be criticized. Now, if Mohammed had been a man of peace, let us say like Ghandi and Mother Theresa wrapped in one, there would be no problem. But Mohammed was a warlord, a mass murderer, a pedophile, and had several marriages – at the same time. Islamic tradition tells us how he fought in battles, how he had his enemies murdered and even had prisoners of war executed. Mohammed himself slaughtered the Jewish tribe of Banu Qurayza. If it is good for Islam, it is good. If it is bad for Islam, it is bad.

    Let no one fool you about Islam being a religion. Sure, it has a god, and a here-after, and 72 virgins. But in its essence Islam is a political ideology. It is a system that lays down detailed rules for society and the life of every person. Islam wants to dictate every aspect of life. Islam means ‘submission’. Islam is not compatible with freedom and democracy, because what it strives for is sharia. If you want to compare Islam to anything, compare it to communism or national-socialism, these are all totalitarian ideologies.

    Now you know why Winston Churchill called Islam ‘the most retrograde force in the world’, and why he compared Mein Kampf to the Quran. The public has wholeheartedly accepted the Palestinian narrative, and sees Israel as the aggressor. I have lived in this country and visited it dozens of times. I support Israel . First, because it is the Jewish homeland after two thousand years of exile up to and including Auschwitz, second because it is a democracy, and third because Israel is our first line of defense.

    This tiny country is situated on the fault line of jihad, frustrating Islam’s territorial advance. Israel is facing the front lines of jihad, like Kashmir, Kosovo, the Philippines , Southern Thailand, Darfur in Sudan , Lebanon , and Aceh in Indonesia . Israel is simply in the way. The same way West-Berlin was during the Cold War.

    The war against Israel is not a war against Israel . It is a war against the West. It is jihad. Israel is simply receiving the blows that are meant for all of us. If there would have been no Israel , Islamic imperialism would have found other venues to release its energy and its desire for conquest. Thanks to Israeli parents who send their children to the army and lay awake at night, parents in Europe and America can sleep well and dream, unaware of the dangers looming.

    Many in Europe argue in favor of abandoning Israel in order to address the grievances of our Muslim minorities. But if Israel were, God forbid, to go down, it would not bring any solace to the West It would not mean our Muslim minorities would all of a sudden change their behavior, and accept our values. On the contrary, the end of Israel would give enormous encouragement to the forces of Islam. They would, and rightly so, see the demise of Israel as proof that the West is weak, and doomed. The end of Israel would not mean the end of our problems with Islam, but only the beginning. It would mean the start of the final battle for world domination. If they can get Israel , they can get everything. So-called journalists volunteer to label any and all critics of Islamization as a ‘right-wing extremists’ or ‘racists’. In my country, the Netherlands , 60 percent of the population now sees the mass immigration of Muslims as the number one policy mistake since World War II. And another 60 percent sees Islam as the biggest threat. Yet there is a danger greater danger than terrorist attacks, the scenario of America as the last man standing. The lights may go out in Europe faster than you can imagine. An Islamic Europe means a Europe without freedom and democracy, an economic wasteland, an intellectual nightmare, and a loss of military might for America – as its allies will turn into enemies, enemies with atomic bombs. With an Islamic Europe, it would be up to America alone to preserve the heritage of Rome , Athens and Jerusalem .

    Dear friends, liberty is the most precious of gifts. My generation never had to fight for this freedom, it was offered to us on a silver platter, by people who fought for it with their lives. All throughout Europe , American cemeteries remind us of the young boys who never made it home, and whose memory we cherish. My generation does not own this freedom; we are merely its custodians. We can only hand over this hard won liberty to Europe ‘s children in the same state in which it was offered to us. We cannot strike a deal with mullahs and imams. Future generations would never forgive us. We cannot squander our liberties. We simply do not have the right to do so.
    America , ***Wake up, your president is not your friend, but a friend of Islam who is out to destroy America
    We have to take the necessary action now to stop this Islamic stupidity from destroying the free world that we know.

    Please take the time to read and understand what is written here, Please send it to every free person and every praying person that you know, it is so very important.

    • 45caliber

      Sad but very true.

      “The friend of my enemy is my enemy.” Except some don’t see that either.

    • CLARENCE SWINNEY

      CHRISTIANS ARE OUT TO DESTROY THE WORLD
      NUCLEAR BOMBS
      MASSIVE MILITARY ARSENAL KLLING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS ON OTHER LANDS
      Invade one of Poorest
      One of least armed
      bully by using shock and awe to display awesome power of illiterates.
      Brag on such A CONQUEST?
      Millions witnessed it on their TV not in Amerikkkka land of free press
      Call any killer a HERO.
      Rape young Beauties a Hero
      Kill families in homes Heroes
      Burn and destroy Heroes

      Heroes Christians mindless illiterates

      God punishes Evil Americas comes when?

      Christians 2000 Million
      Muslims 1500 Million
      Hebrews-14 million
      God has punished the Hebrews Are we next? How? When?

      Russian 2000 Nukes?
      Tsunami
      Earthquakes
      Internal Revolutions

      si senor tis bad time in america

      • vicki

        And the left says the right wing rants alot. At least most of the right wing rants are comprehensible. Clarence dear. Go to google. Make friends with it. National Socialism was responsible for 6million plus deaths. Josef Stalin himself claimed 7 MILLION with his forced famines

        Here is a partial list,
        * Bosnia-Herzegovina: 1992-1995 – 200,000 Deaths
        * Rwanda: 1994 – 800,000 Deaths
        * Pol Pot in Cambodia: 1975-1979 – 2,000,000 Deaths
        * Nazi Holocaust: 1938-1945 – 6,000,000 Deaths
        * Rape of Nanking: 1937-1938 – 300,000 Deaths
        * Stalin’s Forced Famine: 1932-1933 – 7,000,000 Deaths
        * Armenians in Turkey: 1915-1918 – 1,500,000 Deaths

        Killed by their beloved (not) government. Not by Christians. By out of control government tyrants.

      • wayne a

        swinney,you’re an idiot

  • Strawberry Shortcake

    Soooo…what are we going to do about it? When is enough, enough? We can complain on forums and stand in at tea party rallies all we want…where is it getting us?? When will it be too late? November buys us time at best and that’s if they don’t ram as much as they can through before they can’t for awhile.

    We will be faced with this again…so will our children.

    • Al Sieber

      I think we will have to take back our country by any means necessary, I think it’s coming down to that.

      • CONSERVATIVE AT BIRTH

        Invest in Books, Firearms, Ammunition, Dried Foods, Canned Foods, Bottled Water, Gold/Gold Mining, Energy, and Commodoties.

    • slickporsche

      War my friend all out war. WE need to start organizing immediatly. Get outside help and find out if any, and how much of the military is behind us. They have left us no choice. It would be over quickly I think, because the liberals as I said before, do not have the stomach for a good fight.So would you rather just let them destroy what is left of our great republic, or die trying to stop them? You only have those two choices. Voting is nothing anymore but a scam to make us believe we do control things with our vote. [offensive word removed] WE DO! This is a last cry for freedom, and let it ring loud from our gun barrels.

      • Joe D

        Slick what you are suggestion is an armed revolt by you and the Military SIR that is TREASON. Remember the Civil War only thing that the Union did wrong was not to string up every officer of the Confederate Forces, next time if you and your Buds revolt, maybe the federal Goernment will not be so nice

        • Doug Reiber

          Its only treason if its wrong you fool. Scares the heck out of weak kneed idiots like you seem to be. You’ve no defense when you have to stand on your own two feet.

        • Patricia

          Slick is not commiting Treason- you are by supporting your own rhetoric. You have way too much time on your hands. As for your statement regarding McKinney, Tx.- show your supposed pictures or audio tapes about what you state. I live in the great state of Texas and we don’t like your garbage nor your arrogance. It sounds like it has to be you having the final word. How about saying something worthwhile instead of your trash talking. You get off on pushing others with your line of BS. How old are you anyway ? 12,13, 14. Grow up and be respectful. You aren’t willing to hear others views. This is all about listening to yourself rambleon.Get a job.

        • DaveH

          Joe,
          You are such a typical ignorant Liberal, it is nauseating. The Civil War was not fought over Slavery. It was fought because the South no longer wanted to be part of the Union due to Federal abuse of the Constitution. Think North Korea/South Korea or North Vietnam/South Vietnam. There were 3 slaves states that fought on the side of the north. The North simply wanted the tax revenues from the South and they were willing to kill thousands of people to achieve that. The Slavery issue was embraced solely to rally the citizens to fight the war.
          What if you were playing a poker game and decided to quit because the other players weren’t following the rules. Then they told you that you couldn’t leave? Would that be right in your Liberal mind?

      • eddie47d

        slickporsch; So voting is a scam? So what the heck were we doing in Iraq trying to get them to vote> Another myth busted! Oh,Yea your gunbarrel talk is lame and Could Be treasonous.

        • JeffH

          You are just to smart for us, but keep educating us fast eddie…it’s entertaining.

        • DaveH

          Another myth busted? Certainly not with your dumb example.
          Eddie, your ears are bookends to a vacuum.

      • 45caliber

        slick: I really must disagree with much of what you have said. Get ready? Yes, we can do that as individuals. Get outside help? Why? That is always a problem regardless of who you ask. They want something for their help – and that generally takes away some of your freedom. Organize militarily and attack? Attack who? The minority person down the street who lives and votes the same way you do? The majority person down the street who lives and votes the same way you do? Washington? All state capitols too? Just who are the organized enemy you want to attack?

        Actually, I wonder if you aren’t some government person trying to stir up trouble and get a force organized so the government can declare a martial law and keep the Dems in power.

        • Angel-Wanna-Be

          45 , BINGO!!

    • 45caliber

      We can repeal what they pass – if we have a government willing to do it. The real problem with many of our politicians (both parties) is that if one party does get something passed the other party generally won’t touch it because things will get reversed sooner or later.

      Long years ago before the Dems locked up Congress, the system used to have a Republican Congress and President for awhile and then a Democrat one. Each time things changed, the new party would get rid of all the old things that were bad and then pass some good and bad things themselves.

      But once the Dems locked up Congress for 50+ years or so, the GOP refused to get rid of their mistakes because they knew that the Dems would seek revenge after the next election if they did.

      The only way we can save America is to go back to getting rid of the bad things – like Oblamacare.

  • http://www.charter.net James A Graham

    I have never seen the white side explained better!

    Pat Buchanan had the guts to say it.
    It is about time.

    BUCHANAN TO OBAMA
    By Patrick J. Buchanan

    Barack says we need to have a conversation about race in America .. Fair enough. But this time, it has to be a two-way conversation.. White America needs to be heard from, not just lectured to… This time, the Silent Majority needs to have its convictions, grievances and demands heard. And among them are these:

    First, America has been the best country on earth for black folks. It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known Wright ought to go down on his knees and thank God he is an American.

    Second, no people anywhere has done more to lift up blacks than white Americans. Untold trillions have been spent since the ‘ 60s on welfare, food stamps, rent supplements, Section 8 housing, Pell grants, student loans, legal services, Medicaid, Earned Income Tax Credits and poverty programs designed to bring the African-American community into the mainstream. Governments, businesses and colleges have engaged in discrimination against white folks — with affirmative action, contract set-asides and quotas — to advance black applicants over white applicants. Churches, foundations, civic groups, schools and individuals all over America have donated their time and money to support soup kitchens, adult education, day care, retirement and nursing homes for blacks.

    We hear the grievances.
    Where is the gratitude??

    Barack talks about new ‘ladders of opportunity’ for blacks. Let him go to Altoona ? And Johnstown , and ask the white kids in Catholic schools how many were visited lately by Ivy League recruiters handing out scholarships for ‘deserving’ white kids..? Is white America really responsible for the fact that the crime and incarceration rates for African-Americans are seven times those of white America ? Is it really white America ‘S fault that illegitimacy in the African-American community has hit 70 percent and the black dropout rate from high schools in some cities has reached 50 percent?

    Is that the fault of white America or, first and foremost, a failure of the black community itself?

    As for racism, its ugliest manifestation is in interracial crime, and especially interracial crimes of violence. Is Barack Obama aware that while white criminals choose black victims 3 percent of the time, black criminals choose white victims 45 percent of the time?

    Is Barack aware that black-on-white rapes are 100 times more common than the reverse, that black-on-white robberies were 139 times as common in the first three years of this decade as the reverse?

    We have all heard ad nauseam from the Rev. Al about Tawana Brawley, the Duke rape case in Jena . And all turned out to be hoaxes. But about the epidemic of black assaults on whites that are real, we hear nothing.

    Sorry, Barack, some of us have heard it all before, about 40 years and 40 trillion tax dollars ago.
    This needs to be passed around because,
    This is a message everyone needs to hear!!!

    OK……….
    Will you pass it on ?
    YES. I did but will you?
    Because I’m for a better America

    • 45caliber

      Talking to a black person about racism is about like talking to a liberal about conservative feelings and beliefs.

    • CLARENCE SWINNEY

      Newt ticked off
      He did not have any black wives of campaign workers to seduce.
      He wanted some but they hated his ugly puss

      olduglymeanhonest

      • unknown

        CLARENCE SWINNEY, it’s nice to see you’ve added Personal Liberty Digest to your list…you’ve made quite a name for yourself on a lot of the lieral websites…making a living I presume…you keep cutting and pasting your comments from your other websites too…

      • wayne a

        IDIOT!

  • Darrell Russell

    I like the majority of turly Americans can say that what is going on within our government is despicable at the least. But don’t let this dissolution you, the democratic machine is still able to strike a lethal strike at the American peoples heart. Have any of you ever killed a rattlesnake realizing that even though the snake is dead the venom it retains is very mush still toxic. This is very much how the progressive left will be after November after mid terms.
    They will move out of view and wait until the opportunity presents it’s self again and it will but this can be checked as well. It is time we overhaul the government with term limits and roll back the life time benefits that have been put in place. Has any one of you reading this ever set your own salaries and benefits for any particular job you have or have had? These people have and will continue to do so as long as we let them. They will not be compelled to pay for Obama care nor will they be subjected to having to worry about social security going broke, their retirement is tax payer funded and I will assure you that is one thing the government is not going to run out of, taxpayers.
    It is time to change all of this citizen funded welfare.

    • American Citizen

      What would happen if there were a true taxpayer revolt and EVERYBODY refused to send anything to Washington? They can’t put the every citizen of this country in jail.

      • CONSERVATIVE AT BIRTH

        Let’s take the economy underground. Keep your cash out of the banks.

  • Ted Crawford

    I still can’t escape the fearful concern that obama has something very,very radical up his sleve to disrupt the November election process! I’m well aware that without something definate to support this I’ll just be labeled as a conspiracy theorist, so be it !
    I was just recently labeled that for my concerns over something I discovered regarding our 401Ks, and IRAs. In the past couple of months I’ve been unable to find any follow-up information and thought that perhaps it had been dropped. It begins with a new regulatory process labeled, according to the artical, as CFR, Part 1, RIN 1545-BJ04. This will strip the tax incentives from employers to offer traditional IRAs and 401Ks, and encourage Congress to convert these to, what were called GRAs- Guaranteed Retirement Accounts, the assets of these accounts to be “government approved insturments (gov. bonds and treasuries)! This was being stated as the work of Rep. George Miller (D- Calif.) and Dr. Teresa Ghilarduccii of The Schwartz Center for Economic Policy Analysis, both are members of the White House Middle Class Task Force. Then I understand that the new Financial Reform Bill will require employers to offer just such IRAs as were discribed in the artical! I guess all conspiricies aren’t theorys, are they??

    • Raggs

      Ted… you are by no means the only one that has these thoughts.

    • slickporsche

      I too have had similar thoughts. It makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up. Load them weapons.

    • Joe D

      paranoia strikes deep into your Heart it will creep. You lost the election in 2008 and will not regain the Congress in 2010 and Obama will be re-elected in 2012 Majority RULES

      • 45caliber

        Majority rules – only when the majority is voting and allowed to vote. Right now, officially, the majority can vote. But later? Don’t believe that just because Oblama and the Dems won last time they will automatically do it again. People change their minds when they see the results of something they did. Oblama had a 60% approval rating; now it’s down to about 40% – which is no longer a majority.

      • Doug

        Joe D let me the first to kick you butt up and down the street when Obams is taken out. Also I would suggest that we then hang in front on the white house by their necks for treason. On the list Pelosi, Reed, Frank, Boxer, Finsten, Waxman let them swing in the wind for about a week to make sure we never put solialist Commies in power again. Joe I think we can find a spot for you two!

      • vicki

        I don’t understand why all these liberals what the Majority to Rule. I presume they know nothing of “tyranny of the majority”. They are blissfully unaware that if Majority Rules then they would not be here cause a majority of this site probably would throw them out. Certainly if Republicans were as evil as claimed they would have dealt with those pesky minorities back when they were the majority.

      • wayne a

        another short story from joe’s fairytales.even obama said he may be a one term president!

    • 45caliber

      You are correct. I have some very nervous friends when they think of their 401K’s. To make things even more interesting, I understand it will be treasury notes ONLY. No bonds. Bonds have a set interest rate; treasury notes can actually go down in value. And when they do pay, they pay at one of the lowest interest rates. So the retirement accounts will not only be switched to the government (just like SS) but will also be in the lowest paying group.

      But there are about 6 trillion dollars in retirement accounts that Oblama and friends could now have available to spend. If his goal really IS to break the country financially, he can’t afford to leave that money in the hands of those who earned it, now can he?

  • CLARENCE SWINNEY

    FACT CHECK

    1980=1000B of Debt
    1980=600B Budget

    20 Years=Three Conservative Presidents
    18 years=Conservative Senate
    12 years=Conservative House
    6 years=TOTAL CONTROL OF GOVERNMENT

    WHAT DID WE GET???
    9000B Of debt added on by Big Three
    Spending to 3600B by Big Three
    270B Surplus for Decades to 1000B Deficits as far as eye can see
    Two awful invasions of two of POOREST Most unarmed nations on earth
    137 investigated/charged/convicted of crimes over 8 years

    Two Decades of EFFORT TO RUIN USA and call it WSA TRIPLE A PARTY
    Wall Street of America Empire
    Triple A Party of
    Anti-Christ
    Anti America
    Anti World

    spelled G O P

    olduglymeanhonest

    prove me wrong with numbers facts not usual blarney blabbering

    • slickporsche

      [offensive post removed]

    • CONSERVATIVE AT BIRTH

      I agree that the Republicans lost their way. However, the economic problems were caused during the Clinton Administration. The revocation of the Glass Steagal Act and the strenghtening of the Community Reinvestment Act. Those are the main causes of the Economic Colapse. Bush warned of the problems in Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac as early as 2002. It was the Democrats who were reticent to do anything about the looming crisis along with the RINO’s (Spector, Collins, Snow etc.) You need to study economics a little bit closer.

      • Joe D

        In 2002 the House and Senate were controlled by the GOP The White House was illegally held by an appointed President. SO why blame the Dems

        • Strawberry Shortcake

          What time period in ’02 there Joe?

          • Joe D

            Yeh 2002 when the GOP controlled everything Bush only used one VETO form 2001 to 2006 when he had a rubber stamp Congress. In 2007 to 2009 bush vetoed more bills than did Clinton in his eight years. Look it up Bush in 2007 2008 reigned by veto

        • Brad

          Sorry Joe, the house and senate was just about evenly devided with the GOP holding a very slim majority. 02, 03, and in 05 the bush administration and Senator McCain trided passing legislation to rain in Fannie and Freddie and each time the legislation was shot down due to democ “rat” philibuster. CRA lead to it, which was created by a democ “rat” and enhansed by a democ “rat” and all the rats jumped on board and road it until it was time to bail. So guess who got holding the bag, we did you moron, at the tune of over 7 billion dollars lost to the general public.

          • Brad

            and the loss of over 3 million jobs, since Obamas innaugeration what has he done to unite this great country. The only thing I can see is he is dividing it, so where is the transperancy. Where is the hope and change, because the only change I see so far is for the worse and every day Americans are finally waking up and seeing their mistake. I November their’s going to be change and Obama isn’t going to like it.

    • Strawberry Shortcake

      Clarence, you’re a tool. You’re thinking exactly as they want you to think. Political party has nothing to do with it. There is bad and really bad on BOTH sides. Most here will not dispute that fact with you. It’s all CORRUPT and they are all part of the same agenda. Since you apparently have the stats on the GOP then you should go look up the Rockefeller family and their quest for world control. I’m sure you’ll chalk it up to conspiracy-theory BS. But think on this…what is the one thing since the beginning of time people have always sought? CONTROL. It is the basis of EVERY war that has ever been fought! We are on the same side and you don’t even know it because you are still looking through a veil. People must start waking up…that is if you believe in freedom and you appreciate the liberties that you practice on a daily basis, it won’t be long before these things disappear.

      • Nebraskapatriot

        Strawberry, I’ve read two of your comments and I would have to say that you make more sense then any of the others that I have read. What is happening in our country today is not about black vs. white or Democrat vs. Republican. There is good, bad, and downright evil on both sides. I am an American. I love my country. It is the greatest country in the world. I see this country being torn apart and “transformed” in a way that it has never been done before. We need to educate ourselves on the great principles that this country was founded and make those principles the driving force in our personal lives, our communities, and our nation. We do not want to become a socialist welfare state, which is sadly the way we are being driven by political forces in this country. And I do believe that the tool they are using is by the old divide and conquer method. Pray!!

        • Joe D

          Nebraska do you know any farmers who take supports from the Federal Government That is socialism and has been since 1930′s

    • CONSERVATIVE AT BIRTH

      Exactly who are the Conservative Presidents you refer to? The Bush’s are a part of the Rockefeller (Country Club) Republicans. They are not conservative in my mind. Ronald Reagan was the last conservative President, who had a liberal Democrat controlled Congess and Senate to contend with. No, he did not do enough to control spending as the budget grew at a greater percentage rate than the growth in revenues, because of the Democrats in Congress. Nixon, Ford, Carter, Clinton, Johnson were all liberal totalitarian socialists as well. Kennedy was more conservative than Bush. Read History!!!!!!!

      • Joe D

        The Bushes were members of the Mason Movement calling for ONE WORLD ORDER were they the MAsons controlled the world. Sad part is the Shriners and the other “men’s night out” Masons do not have a clue that they provide a good guy front for these Terroist

      • CLARENCE SWINNEY

        Reagan had Democratic Senate??

        Not true. Republicans controlled Senate 1981 to 1986

        Reagan Spending + Tax Cuts Created Debt

        From 1930 to 1981 we spent 6066B as a nation
        Reagan submitted 8 budgets totaling over 7000B
        Congress sent the 8 back for his signature.
        They had less than he submitted.In total.

        Debt was his 80% increase in Spending ( his budgets )and loss of Revenue from his 750B in Tax Cuts for the Rich.
        It is true he increased Taxes several times but they only covered one half his 750 Tax Cut for the rich

        olduglymeanhonest

        Reagan talked Conservatism but was not one..

        Increased spending by 80% and Debt by 183%
        Reduced Carter job creation of 218,000 per month to 175,000.
        Had highest “real”interest rates since WWII.
        Home loan interest rates 10-14% . Student loan interest at 16%
        Took credit for reducing extreme high prime rate interest yet Volcker did it with tight money.
        Reagan can take credit for cheering on Volcker.
        Over tightening cost 5 million their jobs.

        What is Conservatism to one?
        What so many preach is not what they promote.

        • Coservative at Birth

          Ignorant fool!!!!!

    • Joe D

      Sadly the truth hurts these people

    • Joe D

      Sadly the truth hurts

    • Bbby T

      you run the numbers now!!!compared to all of the last 18 years and dispell how bad off we are.

      • Joe D

        Bobby remember what happened in OCT 2008 This would be UN AMerican but the Dems should have done NOTHING and let the economy Crater, but they did not since they knew it was in the Best Interest of the Nation. The GOP minority today would obstruct it out of Political Gains

        • eddie47d

          You are right Joe,The Republicans are still obstructing on almost all issues. I certainly don’t want to go back to the wild days of bank fraud,overpricing,mortgage meltdown,wall street bonuses,lax environmental rules and jobs going overseas,ect. They weren’t thinking about what was best for America and today could care less about all the corporate shenanigans. The Democrats can be stinkers too and obstructionists. Some of Obama’s proposals and reforms will pan out and some won’t. I believe most in the Tea Party mean well and wants what is best for America. Country first and stick to the basics of good government. The burden of debt can wear down an individual or a whole nation. This is a serious endeavor for Obama and he has stalled out. The Republicans and Democrats alike should go to AA meetings because they are addicted to political manuevering and not whats best for the financial health of America. Both sides want the other to stop cold turkey;which they won’t do. So it get’s worse. Corporations got greedy and very unruly. Their CEO’s got filthy rich and left our nation in a learch. On the other hand we have people who have been on welfare for decades and have lost their pride. (why weren’t they working when the economy was good? Rich and poor alike take advantage of our blessings and politicians fiddle on what to do.

    • 45caliber

      I fail to see your point as I said earlier. Tell me, are you trying to say that since these men did this (actually Congress did) that it is okay for Oblama and Congress to try to exceed their spending the same way?

    • wayne a

      SWINNEY,the democrats have controlled the house 53 of the last 63 yrs and the senate 56 of the last 63 yrs.need i say more

  • ONTIME

    The new taxes coming from this gang of Deemers is cause for a tax revolt on a grand scale, if this huge increase succeeds America as we know it is finished and your freedoms are a thing of the past. This group of thugs and criminals are following the FDR playbook and will soon be called the politburo, they use the word “fair” as a way to whip you into submission and they, the elite are not encumbered by the laws, taxes or medical provisions you will obey and they are going to make the IRS a military might, the DOJ the legal arm to make you understand “they” are in charge of your life forever…….RE-PARE AMERICA’S GOVERNMENTS!

    • Joe D

      On time we have borrowed TRILLIONS by three Presidnts who collectively got a C in ECON 101. Birds are coming to roost. What do we cut Social Security, farm Supports, Highways, pull back our Military to Protect the US and not the World. What do you want to do?

      • CLARENCE SWINNEY

        FACT CHECK Please
        OMIT BLARNEY BLABBERING OPINIONS
        1945 -1980 Greatest Years in History
        Built a Great Middle Class
        Each percentile increased in Income-Wealth almost evenly

        1980-2010 worst decades for MiddleClass
        Redistribution of wealth to Top 20%
        1980=1% owned 20% total financial wealth
        1989=36%

        2008
        1%=43%
        10%=70%
        20%=93%
        80%=120,000,00 workers=shafted with stagnated incomes /wealth

        1980 OUCH

        600 B Budget
        1000B of Debt

        1980-2010
        Then cometh 3 So- called Conservative presidents
        18 yrs conservative Senate
        12 years conservative House
        6 years Total Conservative Control of Government

        Those 20 added 99,000 New New Jobs Per month.
        Clinton + Carter got 222.000 per month

        Carter left Reagan a 600B Budget
        Reagan increased it by 80% conservatism?
        Reagan submitted 8 budgets total over 7000B
        Prior 50 years we spent 6066B
        More in 8 than prior 50 years. Conservatism?? Huh!

        Clinton left Bush a balanced budget
        Bush increased spending from Clinton 1800B to 3600B—conservatism?
        Bush increased Clinton debt from 5700B to 11,900B—conservatism??
        Bush got 31,000 New Jobs Per Month after Clinton record 237,000 per month
        Bush let Wall Street become worlds largest Gambling Casino.
        In past Wall Street took investors money and invested in businesses and create jobs.
        Starting in 1999 they invested in Gambling. World wide Gambling. Conservatism?

        They created Rape of Housing Industry.
        Made billions in profits selling homes Too Large-Too expensive for Middle Class stagnated incomes.
        Made Billions gambling on occurrence of future events.
        Conservatives try to blame Fannie-Freddie. Junk logic
        Conservatives (yes) took them from government control and put them under Wall Street control as stock owned corporation. Low income Housing?? Huh? $700,00 max. loan. Bought/sold Derivatives
        Got into Housing Greed to increase profits for stock owners(rich)

        House Banker was AIG which took any bet if pay premium.
        Simple analogy—They tool $4,000 Bets with only $100 in their pocket.
        It took 180 Billion to pay off their Gambles
        One Oil gambler in Texas got a check for one billion. One man. Ross.
        Goldman laid bets on Housing with AIG. Bet on failure of bets they sold to gullible clients.
        Fined 100 Million. For rip off of billions??? Some big fine!! 100 for 3000 won at cheating.
        Rob a Bank of 3000 Million and life in prison.

        Vote into power another Conservative Group at peril of America.
        Record is bad. Gods are $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
        Wall Street Gambling
        Country Club Membership
        Shaft Middle Class
        Shaft Poor
        Give all $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ to top 1% and they are hoppy.

        Does any person who posts on this great forum As a Conservative understand Conservatism????

        olduglymeanhonest

    • 45caliber

      Every time in the past when taxes went up a LOT and they went up above a set value, the actual money the government collected dropped either because people quit reporting it OR because more people made a point to find the loopholes. And there are plenty of loopholes if you can afford to look for them.

      I’m expecting just that now.

  • slickporsche

    Personally I think it is all over but the crying because the are not enough patriots to take our republic back. In a short time it will be all blacks east of the Mississippi river, and west of the river it will be mostly wetbacks and Hispanics, Latinos, or what ever you choose to call the bastards. Now, the two cannot get along, so there will for sure be war between the two races.

    Yes people I am angry and heartbroken that the country I love is doomed to destruction by that (word removed for offensive content) in the White House.

    • CONSERVATIVE AT BIRTH

      There are alot of patriots. We need to educate our neighbors and friends to the coming Police State, and ask them who’s side they will be on. Do it now while there is sliver of hope. If they claim themselves your mortal enemy, dispose of them.

      • Joe D

        Sppok in the White House who is the racist now?

        • Brad

          Joe D, who’s the racist now, you are!

          • eddie47d

            Brad, No you are for being clueless for what was originally said. Don’t throw it back on Joe.

        • mickey

          Most of what you say is drivel. You do REALIZE that whites use the word spook for something other than black. Every word in the English language is not racially directed. If you lived in a mixed family (or maybe were older) you would realize this.

          As far as the politics, both sides did stuff. The Tea Party? Did it exist under Bush? It should have and I would have joined. The seriousness about the 401′s is real. Twice before these were raided, including mine the last go around.

          As for minorities, they did quite well when they dropped the “minority” hyphenation. Jackson, Clyburn, et al also realize this and that their time to blame everything on “whitey” belonged 3 generations back. These men made fortunes off minorities and left their supporters on welfare. Yep, that is probably white outrage that these men took good people and kept them enslaved–still. There are better ways for these minorities but judging by their leaders the ideals were never worth realization.

          They are too many different cultures in my family (if they were separated) to make your judgment. The real difference is all are assimulated as US citizens.

          We are in trouble and all you do is continue to play the blame game.

    • eddie47d

      Slick…: Everything you say is offensive.

    • 45caliber

      There are more than enough patriots to take back the country. And many of them are Mexican or black as well. From what you are saying, you are more concerned with attacking all the minority groups than in forcing the government to start working the way it should. And I don’t agree with that at all.

      I live in Texas. And I’ve visited the Alamo. There were more men with Hispanic names defending the Alamo than you would imagine.

      • Angel-Wanna-Be

        45, YOUR RIGHT, your right and I believe this whole up rise (for the lack of better words) hasn’t a damn thing to do with skin color, or political parties. It’s about Socialistic Policies, rampant spending sprees, and over-controlling our lives by this current Administration.

        If we as Americans believe, what America stands for, believe in the Constitution (AS IT WAS WRITTEN, NOT RE-WRIITEN AND RE-INTERPETED), believe in our Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness, our in-alienable from GOD, we’ve got to stay informed and skeptical enough to find the truth. I cannot for the life of me understand why, these Liberals on here, continue on with the charade, CAN THEY BE THIS GUILLABLE, OR IS THE MONEY THEY’RE PAID TO SLING THIS BS, THAT GOOD?!

  • duggy dugg

    it could be fixed in a blink ; take back the license to print money from the fed and give it back to treasury ; the government does not have to borrow all its operating funds from the ngo “fed” and others as interest bearing debt ! why doesn’t treasury print and digitally issue all currency free from interest bearing debt ????

    while ron paul tries to “audit” the fed , we should evicerate the nga “fed” a privately held bank cartel pretending to be a “central” bank , i.e. owned by the gov’t, which it is not ….not central nor owned by gov’t …yet the “fed” prints and digitally issues all u.s.dollars [federal reserve notes] not federal and not backed by any reserves….. “end the fed” – ron paul

    • 45caliber

      Let’s go a little further. Require that the treasury be disbanded. Originally there was NO treasury except what tax money came in. The government issued coins – not paper. When they did issue paper, it was required that there was enough gold to back up the paper. That’s what USED TO BE in Ft. Knox. I’d be surprised if there was an ounce of gold there now.

      The reason the banks failed during the Depression was because the government had set the price of gold. The bankers learned they could sell that gold for more than the American dollar offered, so they did. When the people found out about it, they made a “run” on the banks, demanding the gold the banks were supposed to have to cover the paper. FDR and friends declared ownership of gold illegal and turned the entire money thing over to four families – FDR’s family was one of them. Three of the families sold out to the Rothchilds in the Netherlands – the fourth family. And the Rothchilds have run our money system ever since.

      The reason Ron Paul wants an audit is that there is nothing to stop the treasury from printing all the money it wishes. They can then send any amount of it to the Rothchilds who uses it to trade with other country’s money. And they do. That’s how they make their own money. What he is afraid of – and rightly so – is that there is far more American money in the world than just what we think is there. Enough to more than bankrupt this country (again – it happened in 1933). He simply wants to find out just how bad off we really are.

  • home boy

    quess what clarence, nobody in washington cares about you. where have you been for the past 100 years. and they never will . so all those stats you have will not change a thing. now do you want some positive info, read your bible. big changes are coming soon. whether you have faith or not its coming , brought to you by GOD. so enjoy the great tribuation. hope you make it thru.

    • Joe D

      NEWS FLASH HOME BOY Man made GOD not God made man

      • Patricia

        You really need to temper your attacks. Whether you do or do not believe in GOD— do know that there will be a judgement day and you and your hate mingers can all suffer the fires of HELL. Get off your high horse and join the human race. You sound like a very unhappy person. Hope you have some happiness in your pathetic existence. How many of these discussions do you have face to face? Easier to hide behind a internet site? Do not insult those of us who are Christians- I don’t see anyone else using this line of attack or sarcasm. You sure appear to be an angry man.

      • 45caliber

        Another liberal (athiest) argument. Do you actually believe all of those? If you do, you are an idiot. If you don’t you are trying to stir up trouble. Either way, you should see a Doc.

      • vicki

        So tell us Joe D. If Man made God, who made Man?

      • wayne a

        JOE,you’re full of sh$%$!!!!!

      • Angel-Wanna-Be

        jOEd, GO WORSHIP YOUR GOLDEN CALF,__BTW_ MOSES HAS SOMETHING FOR YOU, BETTER GET A HELMET!

  • http://yahoo burgereater

    ELECT REDNECKS i MEAN TRUE REDNECKS NOT POLITICAL REDNECKS BUT RDNECKS THAT LOVE America. Give them ammunition and tell them its open season on Republicans and Democrats. We want our country back!

  • slickporsche

    Everyone needs to keep a sharp look out and keep an eye on Fema, the black panthers, and the FBI. If you find out that there are UN troops coming for exercises, be ready to fight. They will be coming for your registered guns and ammo.

    • Joe D

      WATCH OUT for the Black Helicopter You and Timmy McVeigh

      • mickey

        And you are in denial.

        • Doug Reiber

          No Mickey he is just an idiot.

    • 45caliber

      You will know when they come becuase the MSM will report a lot of them being shot by “home grown terrorists” – otherwise known as patriots. And a lot of them will be shot.

      I think many of you are city boys from the NE who believe that very few people have guns or knows how to use them and that any rebellion will have to fight our very own military. Not true. That is one reason I’m not worried about the liberals trying to “conquere” the US. They just have such wonderful theories like this – that are all full of hot air.

      Heck, there are probably more armed people in Texas alone than there are in the military – and 1/8th of the military is from Texas. And they don’t want to have to go up against their relatives over an argument they agree with their relatives about. Further, the military is NOT sworn to obey the President as the liberals all seem to think; they are sworn to uphold the Constitution – which is exactly what any rebellion would insist upon.

  • hflashman

    Beginning with Reagan, the GOP gives us massive deficits and increases welfare for the wealthy and Big Corporate America. Y’all want to balme the Dems for getting us out of where the GOP places us. Jeesh…

    Here’s something you can do. Garner five freinds and try balancing the budget. Want lower taxes/ Where’s the replacement revenue coming from (not theoretcially…but for real0. Want to cut SSI? Ask someone if they’ll agree with lowering thier SSI payments. Want to lower business txes/ Ask the businessperson if they’ll trade lower taxes for elimination of a tax credit in the same amount.

    Corporate taxes don’t raise prices..corporations do. Usually for two reasons. They want to keep making the huge profit margins. And they are the ones able to undercut small business because they have GOP tax credits and decudtions written for them. i.e. family versus Agricorporate farms.

    • CONSERVATIVE AT BIRTH

      Ignorance will lead to a loss of freedom.

    • CONSERVATIVE AT BIRTH

      Give me back the $ 250,000 I and my employer paid into the so called trust fund and I won’t need any of your meager benefits. Privatise Social Securtiy and Medicare and the rest of you leaches be damned.

    • CONSERVATIVE AT BIRTH

      SSI is a welfare program for those who have never paid into the corrupt system in the first place. FICA is the correct title of Social Security.

    • Joe D

      SO TRUE Spend and Borrow does not work

    • 45caliber

      Heck, Flash – it is easy. You simply cut one of the main expenses of the government – all that give-away money you and your friends draw and assume will always be there as the LAST thing the government would ever want to get rid of. Corporate welfare can also go – after the biggy. And that welfare spending would include ALL the ‘freebies’ the welfare people know and love so much.

      Then you cut off all the foreign aid (more ‘free’ money for welfare recipients) and the money the feds give all the charities each year. By the time you’ve done all that, you are down to about 30% of what we are spending now. To recover even more, you take all those government people looking at a loss of jobs and put them to work finding all the wasted money the government spends each year. By the time you get done, you might even find the government has enough money to pay each and every one of us each year. You could certainly cut most taxes.

    • wayne a

      HFLASHMAN,the democrats have been in charge of the house 53 of the last 63 yrs and the senate 56 of the last 63yrs so lets put the blame where it belongs!

  • tucker

    there is only one way left for american people to take our country back and that is to arm ourselves and revolt. talk is not going to do it.

    • Joe D

      Tucker you are calling for the violent overthrow of the American govt that is TREASON.

      • Strawberry Shortcake

        …”We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”…

        • Joe D

          Concent of the govern read that as the Majority you lost the election get over it You might lose in 2010 and 2012 suck it up but do not take up arms against a legal Government that is ILLEGAL

          • Strawberry Shortcake

            Joe, you’ve given me several good laughs today! Thank you for that. Best of luck to you man…I think life’s gonna suck pretty bad for you when you realize you’re on the wrong side. Hopefully somebody will take pity on ya…

          • 45caliber

            Strawberry: Joe is either very young or very stupid. He seems to believe everything the Dems and the liberals say without question. I’m not sure which it is but I HOPE it is that he’s very young. There is a cure for that if he lives long enough.

            His entire argument is “But you can’t do anything to us!”

          • vicki

            “…. That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it,…”

            I don’t see anything in there limiting the people from altering or abolishing a “legal” government. I am also pretty sure King George and his loyalists considered their government to be legal.

      • Joe D

        Short cake it I lose my life and liberty to extremists like the Christian Right TEA BAGGERS and the GOPers I will gladly do it since I believe in Principles of Life Liberty and respect of People. The winners if that is your side Shortcake will be not any nicer to me as were the Nazis were to the Slavs Jews Gypsies and Homosexuals

        • JeffH

          JoeD, you’ve studied well under Alinsky…some of us realize exactly that.

          “The qualities Alinsky looked for were:

          ego (“reaching for the highest level for which man can reach — to create, to be a ‘great creator,’ to play God”),

          curiosity (raising “questions that agitate, that break through the accepted pattern”),

          irreverence (“nothing is sacred”; the organizer “detests dogma, defies any finite definition of morality”),

          imagination (“the fuel for the force that keeps an organizer organizing”),

          a sense of humor (“the most potent weapons known to mankind are satire and ridicule”),

          Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. It is almost impossible to counteract ridicule. Also it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage.

          • Strawberry Shortcake

            It’s that or Joey is about 13 years old…but then again…what’s the difference?

          • eddie47d

            You ridicule all the time,Jeff. Always practice what you preach,right.

          • JeffH

            fast eddie, be carefull what you wish for…liberal hacks such as yourself are just to easy a target. You never support your comments and blidly use the typical rhetoric and portray your news sources as facts…give us something substantial, not a deaf ear when you are asked to disprove anothers opinion or comment…when called on the carpet you become a member of the silent minority…except for your usual uninformed diatribe. As I’ve said on more than one occasion, you and coal miner must be closly related…that is accyrately based on the similarities of the content in your comments.

          • eddie47d

            Always repeating yourself right Jeff. None of your sources are from a fair and balanced article. Always from some right wing boogeyman group with loads of fiction. That makes you un-fair and un-balanced and not worth putting value into.

        • 45caliber

          Ah … Joe?? That is NOT the “Life, Liberty and Respect for People”.

          It is “Life, Liberty and the PURSUIT of HAPPINESS.”

          Respect is earned, not given simply because someone exists.

          Further, if you will note, it is the PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS – not happiness alone. You have the right to try to find happiness. There is no right to have happiness.

          I hate to burst your bubble but you really should check it next time.

      • Patricia

        Joe D— seems like your favorite word of the day is Treason—- study hard for your test. Reminds me of school days when children learned a new word and had to use it the best they could. You are over doing the assignment. Get a life. You have to be the loneliest person on earth as you spend soooooo much time trying to strike up a conversation. Go Blog the liberal sites and enjoy the comradery.

      • wayne a

        JOE,the lies you have been trying to pass as facts is also treason!

  • duggy dugg

    wake up all ! ! ! it’s government borrowing ! that’s why we are in debt ! to the fed and others ! that’s why the economy is slipping …all our taxes go to pay the vig on the national debt !! !!

    the fed prints all american money ! as debt !! ! government borrows it instead of printing $ on its own , free of interest bearing debt ! !

    take back the license to print $ from the fed and restore it to the treaury where it belongs by the constitution ….

  • Dwight

    Even in a lame duck session, the GOP will use its Filibuster in the Senate to stall Democratic attempts to ram through a bunch of legislation.

    Let’s retake Congress…..and our Country in the process. November 2nd folks…write it down.

    • Joe D

      THE GOP has been doing that since Jan 2009 out of spite

      • 45caliber

        As far as I know, it’s not been done yet. But it is certainly about time.

      • wayne a

        JOE,instead of spite, you think it could have something to do with everything obuma crammed down our throats,a majority of the Americans was against?

  • Dale Hogue

    Most of the thinking that went into the comment writing on this page was “out of this world”! I went back and reread the rules for depositing comments on this page and was amazed to found out that there was only one rule: there are NO RULES. Right here – spread out in front of us for all to read – was a perfect example of what is wrong with our federal government: there are NO RULES or, if there are rules, nobody follows them. It appears that SOME of the comment writers are NOT interested in discussing the topic. When they get close to a reason for which the topic was written, they seem unable to concentrate long enough – or they can’t find the right words – to make their point. Some of these writers appear more interested in using the subject matter of this article as a launching platform from which barbs can be hurled at their fellow comment writers.
    .
    It is possible that I am the one who has the wrong idea of what constitutes a legitimate comment. If I’m wrong in my assessment, I apologize to all the more experienced comment writers whose intellectual work appears on this page. Dale Hogue — author of the book “Email Connectors and Mr. Hogue’s Wisdom”.

    • 45caliber

      You are close. Many of the people do NOT comment as such. They attack, they make wild statements without facts, they argue.

      But there are some. Just mine for the gold.

  • Dennis

    It is obvious with a big republican victory, the democrats will try to pass in a lame duck sessions the things they will not be able to pass later. A lame duck session is not long if the republicans in the senate are committed to stopping the damage. They still have the ability to filibuster to stop legislation from passing. They must be united and committed to stopping these things from passing.

  • http://rip1@tds.net CR

    Hey Joe D. you’ve just got to be some kind of weird, addlebrained idiot who sits on this thing and flings poop all day judging from the number of times I see your name on so much useless babble here. Hard to believe that even you could believe half the stuff you put out and since so much of it is factually wrong, spelled wrong and simply not true makes one wonder if you ever made it through third grade. I think the Dim-ocrat Machine hires folks like you to sit in their basements all day and produce drivel like yours thinking it will make some kind of difference. WRONG!!!
    CR

    • Joe D

      what is factual wrong that Reagan Bush 41 and 43 put on 90% of the debt. That the Tea Party was ok with that debt until 2009 when the American People elected a president who was Black. Tea party is run by the GOP and is not a Grass roots movement

      • Strawberry Shortcake

        orrr…it could have just been the straw that broke the camel’s back. Oops, was that a racial slur Joe? Did I somehow insult the integrity of a camel by saying that?

        • vicki

          The straw theory has my vote. Here is the description from the founder.

          “The urgency of my protest was due to the befuddled politicians gathering votes on the floor of the Senate and then on the floor of the House of Representatives. Their sightless determination to force an Unconstitutional Stimulus package through the Senate and then the House of Representatives, to me, was a death pill to all I hold dear, and I knew millions of Americans felt the same way.”

          http://www.teaparty.org/about.php#what

          So as we can see the Tea Party movement came into existence in Feb 2009 as the result of a straw (REALLY BIG straw :) )

          NO reference to race. No mention even of a President.
          The founder was seriously concerned that our supposed representatives were YET AGAIN planning on passing an unconstitutional stimulus package.

          BTW how can they represent us if they don’t even READ THE BILLS.?

      • vicki

        JoeD writes:
        what is factual wrong that
        1. Reagan Bush 41 and 43 put on 90% of the debt. — Unknown
        Could not find a constant link to confirm or deny this.
        2. That the Tea Party was ok with that debt until 2009 — WRONG
        The Tea Party movement did not exist before 2009 so could
        not be ok or not ok with anything.
        3. Tea party is run by the GOP and is not a Grass roots
        movement — WRONG.
        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dawn-teo/tea-party-founder-announc_b_300347.html

      • wayne a

        JOE,90% of the debt lol,yet ALL experts,all tv news broadcasters,etc says that the deficit has tripled since obuma took office. strange isn’t it?

  • http://yahoo pj

    EVERYONE STOP PAYING YOUR TAXES AND GO ON VACATION LIKE THIS ASS IN THE WHITE HOUSE HAS BEEN DOING WITH OUR MONEY EVER SINCE HE TOOK OFFICE HE IS ONE CRAZED IDIOT

  • Roland N Thompson

    Hey Joe why all the talk about the nazi’s do you think you have Hitler in the white house????

    • Bruce

      Roland, JoeDee, Is a marxist plant trying to inflame the people on this sight to do or say or print something stupid.

      Its very clear that it has no clue what its talking about and afterall if you read the crazy leftist blogs thats what they are working on. This one is just as dumb as a box of old rusty balls of iron. The rants are quite obvious and show the totaly lacking IQ.

      I am a Democrat and a liberal, I nor anyone I know would vote for Barry Soetoro let alone most of what we have in congress and the senate as they are all wacko’s.
      They do not in any way shape or form represent a true liberal point of view.

      Oh and lets all give thanks Dodd and Frank for writting a new FRB, that’s even worse that the one that got us into this mess. Thats Dodd’s goodby Blank U to us all.

      • 45caliber

        Bruce: It sounds as if you are becoming more and more a person of the middle. Way to go! Unfortunately, most true Democrats believe they are in the middle with no one on their left.

    • Joe D

      No Obama was elected by the People. Listen to the Tea Party and compare it to the speeches of Hitler, very common. We are OK those people (Obama Supporters) are evil and want to destroy our nation. They are different Hitler had the Jews to be the Boogie man. Obama is a secret Muslim who has a secret Mosque etc.

      • 45caliber

        Joe, you should LISTEN to those speeches by Hitler and then LISTEN to those speeches by the Tea Party people before you compare them. NEVER take the word of someone else.

        There are a LOT of differences. Of course it is a lot harder to find Hitler’s speeches now than it was when I was a boy. And since Clinton found Hitler so intelligent, the ones you do hear about have probably been doctored.

  • John Madera,CA

    Joe d
    You are so misinformed. Almost all of your facts are wrong and greatly distorted.Anyone who pays attention to what is going on knows this. Your hate for non progressives is very apparent. I suggest you stop hating and try reading the Constitution. Maybe then you will see what we Tea Partyers are about. That is fiscal responsibility, limited government, and free markets. We do not represent any political party: we want a return to constitutional government. Adherance to the Constitution is what made America great. Under your dreams for America, we would be living in a government controlled facist country. I would much prefer FREEDOM.

    • JeffH

      John Madera,CA..hey, Central Valley Tea Party supporter via Clovis/Fresno here.

      Well stated.

  • Lawrence L. Sober

    Socialism is here and Obama has proven again that he is above the law. Tuesdays appointment of a new Supreme Court Justice will empower him even more and the sad thing is that the elected people who could stop him will do nothing? The Manchurian President should be required reading in this country.

    • Patricia

      AMEN Lawrence

  • http://www.navigatingthroughprophecy.com Rav James Talbott

    A lame duck has attended a school for dumb ducks and not one for eagles. The lame part means that he has even failed a dumb duck class. The secret word, “Political emasculation” means that he, hopefully, cannot reproduce.

  • chuck b

    The Washington Post babbled again today about Obama inheriting a huge deficit from Bush. Amazingly enough,…… a lot of people swallow this nonsense. So once more, a short civics lesson.

    Budgets do not come from the White House. They come from Congress, and the party that controlled Congress since January 2007 is the Democratic Party. They controlled the budget process for FY 2008 and FY 2009, as well as FY 2010 and FY 2011. In that first year, they had to contend with George Bush, which caused them to compromise on spending, when Bush somewhat belatedly got tough on spending increases.

    For FY 2009 though, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid bypassed George Bush entirely, passing continuing resolutions to keep government running until Barack Obama could take office. At that time, they passed a massive omnibus spending bill to complete the FY 2009 budgets.

    And where was Barack Obama during this time? He was a member of that very Congress that passed all of these massive spending bills, and he signed the omnibus bill as President to complete FY 2009. Let’s remember what the deficits looked like during that period:

    If the Democrats inherited any deficit, it was the FY 2007 deficit, the last of the Republican budgets. That deficit was the lowest in five years, and the fourth straight decline in deficit spending. After that, Democrats in Congress took control of spending, and that includes Barack Obama, who voted for the budgets. If Obama inherited anything, he inherited it from himself.

    In a nutshell, what Obama is saying is I inherited a deficit that I voted for and then I voted to expand that deficit four-fold

    • Joe D

      Who controlled the Congress and the White House from 2001 to 2007 The GOP President never vetoed a bill from 2001 to 2007 but vetoed many from 2007 to 2009

      • Doug Reiber

        Just shows he had good sense during that time.

      • wayne a

        JOE,JOE,JOE.the democrats have controlled the house 53 out of the last 63 yrs and the senate 56 out of the last 63 yrs

    • CLARENCE SWINNEY

      Ho hum hum
      Bush submitted 2009 Budget for 3500B.
      It ran 10-1-08 to 9-30-09
      It ended with a 1400B Deficit.

      President proposes congress disposes
      Presidential Budgets are all massaged in Congress.
      535 must aid their constituents
      Bush/Congress created tsunami financial disaster
      Kill Glass-Steagall allowed BIG wall street banks to buy banks all over nation. Repub Congress.Phil Gramn takes credit.Clinton signed. Foolish.
      Investment Banks bought Deposit Banks.They became Investment-Commerical. The Tsunmi was Housing and Gambling via derivatives.

      Fed Reserve gave them 1% at Discount window.Clinton had 6.5%
      Fed incrased Money supply in first five of Bush by twice a much in prior ten years(Clinton)

      Plenty $$$–Low Interest

      Borrow MAX lOAN AT 5% AND GET RICH.
      Developers and Realtors went crazy with joy.
      No Down Payment-Interest only first five years.
      Larger the Home larger the profit. Built too large-too expensive for Middle Class stagnated Income.$50 per sq ft to $100+.

      Fannie Freddie got into the frenzy. Max. loan $700,000. That is Poor Housing?

      Fannie-Freddie were made a Public owned corpration by Republicans- Bush. Stock sold on Wall Street. Investors demand big return.
      They got into Derivative Gambling.Lost butts. Lost on Toxic Mortgages they backed with Government Funds(Bailout) not Wall Street Money.
      Why did not they go Bankrupt?Why are they still backed by our money?
      When they went public owned Executives got big salaries nad bonuses.

      Financial Tsunami
      Federal Reserve-Low Interst+Money Supply created catalyst
      Greed took over.Fraud galore.Speculators bought entire developments.
      What Larry Kudlow will not say-In early 2008 that 23% of Foreclosures were on Speculation Purchased homes. Many never lived in.
      In 2010 majority of Foreclosures on Rich Homes.One million plus.
      Big million dollar + home development here– bankrupt
      Want a nice home for $500,000?

      Kudlow and Cavuto blame Fannie Freddie-CRA home for low income.
      CRA had zero blame. F&F had much blame.Wall Street owned.

      AIG–Countrywide-Bear Stearns-Lehman-Goldman-Citigroup etc big thieves. Billions in profits.
      AIG was taking $4000 bets had $100 in pocket.
      180B bailout disgusting. Rich gamblers got paid off with it
      Oilman Ross of Texas got check for one billion from AIG won on bet on housing collapse.

      Wall Street of America has taken America.

      USA now known as WSA.

      olduglymeanhonest disgusted

  • Bill Hatley

    Joe you are minus a brain.When you open your mouth your brain goes
    into overdrive.Your mechanisum is faulty and shoiuld be recalled for
    repair,if that would be possible.To enter the Masons in your platter
    is in dead shallow.However you are what you are and as far as I know
    there is no cure for your problems.

  • Dale on left coast

    For JoeD and Clarence . . . . devout Socialists . . .

    The nation was in shambles.

    A previous ruler had led the country into an unnecessary war, the economy was failing, and a sense of depression filled the air.

    Then, a new leader emerged. He was a powerful speaker, offering hope, change, and a fix to the economy.

    He wrote two books about his experiences and used his literary work to propel him to success.

    He called for unity and considered himself an advocate of peace.

    Some of his political opponents cast him as naive and inexperienced.

    He also had a lot of radical ties, but the media, and ultimately the voters, were willing to overlook that.

    His Party slogan was “Common Good Before Inidividual Good”.

    His Party made these demands:

    “Newspapers transgressing against the common welfare shall be suppressed.”

    “We demand that the State shall above all undertake to ensure that every citizen shall have the possibility of living decently and earning a livelihood.”

    “We demand the nationalization of all trusts.”

    “We demand profit-sharing in large industries.”

    “We demand an agrarian reform in accordance with our national requirements, and the enactment of a law to expropriate the owners without compensation of any land needed for the common purpose.”

    “We demand that ruthless war be waged against those who work to the injury of the common welfare.”

    This man had NO business experience, this man was primarily a ‘Community Organizer’ and was a motivator.

    This man gave his first speech to a gathering of 2000 people – the speech he gave that day changed the world forever.

    The answer is of course Adolf Hitler the leader of the ‘National Socialist German Workers Party’ (NAZI).

    • Joe D

      also sounds like NIXON REAGAN as well Like Hitler Reagan spent us into debt to rebuild the Military

      • Blipper

        Joe D, you lack any kind of credibility whatsoever. Your arguments are wrong and your mind is closed. Plus your spelling is SO bad that it indicates a real lack of education or concern for your message. You seem to be a semi-literate, liberal stooge. You just parrot the party line and are content to hate everyone else. I kind of pity you.

      • CLARENCE SWINNEY

        JOE D
        HOW DO YOU TOLERATE THIS FORUM

        I VISIT MANY EACH DAY AND I MUST SAY THIS IS MY FIRST READING OF MANY COMMENTS.

        THESE ARE THE MOST IGNORANT COMMENTS I HAVE EVER READ ON ANY FORUM.

        TOTAL LACK OF KNOWLEDGE.DUMB. HICKS. UNEDUCATED.

        MOST FORUMS HAVE A FEW INTELLIGENT CONSERVATIVE WRITERS.

        LACKING ON THIS ONE

        BOB WRITES JUNK. A DEBATE WOULD SEND HIM INTO TEARS.

        OLDUGLYMEANHONEST BYE BYE NO MO THIS STUFF I WAS UNAWARE THERE ARE SO MANY STUPID PEOPLE.

        • JeffH

          CLARENCE SWINNEY … don’t let the door hit you in the a$$ on your way out…stupid is as stupid does…

        • 45caliber

          You are welcome to leave at any time. Nothing is holding you back. Adios!

        • vicki

          Considering the writings of Joe D and Clarence et all I will take our lack of education over their elite education any day.
          And Clarence would you please either stop shouting or get a new keyboard with a working caps lock/unlock key.

          • wayne a

            even if a lot of us don’t always agree if we could get rid of joe and sweenie,theres some good sincere debating going on

    • CLARENCE SWINNEY

      Care to review Bush II Resume’
      Palin is a genius compared to.
      20 year alcoholic
      never succeeded at anything
      Dads $$$ and coattails
      professor at Harvard best description
      rich spoiled smartass punk

      • Dale on left coast

        Swinney . . . too bad we don’t have the same access to Barry’s Harvard records . . . why do you suppose that is???
        Did he attend as a citizen of another country, who paid for his tuition, what were his marks??? All these questions remain a mystery. What is not a mystery is his radical associates.
        Hang on to you ass Clarence . . . this is a replay of the 30′
        s . . . . a decade of mysery is ahead!!!

      • unknown

        Clarence Swinney is a familiar liberal figure of the Democratic Underground…he is a regular website blogger in many liberal and conservative blogs…whose paying whom?

        author-Lifeaholic-Workaholic to Lifeaholic success
        author-unpublished
        All American Party-How Democrats created a great successful Middle Class and how Conservatives are determined to destroy it

        • unknown

          A proffesional blogger at that!

          • libertytrain

            hmmmmm.

        • wayne a

          if sweenie is a regular visitor on these sites one would think he would be more informed,at least a few facts to back up his position instead of making so called facts up.

  • Joe D

    Dale on the Left Coast

    Nazis were Pro Business, that would be the GOP How many drugs have had to be recalled due to no testing. Now you need to produce an ID to board a BUS TRAIN OR PLANE State drivers Lic nothing more than an Internal Passport. Who lied to wage war against another Sovreign Nation? Could that be BUSH
    Obama was also a Consitutional Law Professor, funny people forget that he was a Community organizer before he returned to Law School

    • Dale on left coast

      Nazi’s were pro business??? lol ! ! !

      You reading revisionist history again Joe? The Nazi’s were no different from the Communists, they confiscated your business, but instead of killing you as Leninists did, they let you live and run your ex-business for the good of the state. Socialists Joe . . . . just like the Baminator. Your hero has outspent Bush, every other pres. in just 18 months . . . have you forgotten that???

    • Dale on left coast

      Nazi’s were Pro Business??? . . . LOL ! ! !

      Been reading revisionist history again Joe.
      The Nazis like the Communists confiscated businesses . . . . the commies killed the upper class, the Nazis kept the business owners to run their ex-businesses for the good and glory of the state. They were all Socialists, just like the Bamster.
      Hasent the Bamster outspent Bush 1 and 2, Clinton and Regan in just 18 months? Didn’t the Bamster declare the war in Afganistan the righteous war???

    • vicki

      NAZI’s were definalty pro business.

      AFTER They confiscated the business from the owners.
      http://www.lewrockwell.com/gordon/gordon51.html

  • mavis

    Were you afraid when Bush was in office that he would try
    to change America into a third world country? Did you wake up ev
    ery morning afraid to turn on the radio or tv dreading to
    hear what other laws obama and the democrats were going to cram through this day. Were you wondering whether Bush loved this country? Bush could not get away with anything because the media stayed on his case all the time, what is the media doing now? They won’t publish anything against obama they just turn their heads and let it go. Did you ever wonder if Bush was secretly
    trying to bankrupt America. Did you ever notice that the democrates were in control in 2006, that is when America started its decline. The Godless Democrates in congress are bound and determined to make America a Godless nation, when they have accomplished this America will be doomed. Could anyone tell me how many Christians are in prison? I’m sure there is a list somewhere but it
    has been buried because it didn’t help the socialist cause. If every one obeyed the 10 commandments, America would not be in this terrible shape. How simple it is to repent of your sins and to ask God to forgive you. He stands at the door and knocks, all you have to do is let him in.GOD HAVE MERCY ON AMERICA,THE LAND OF THE FREE AND THE HOME OF THE BRAVE!!!!!!!MEHPENSACOLA,FL

    • Doug Reiber

      Excellent points and very true Mavis. Too bad Joe D. is unable to understand what you say. He is a very limited individual.

      • wayne a

        joe has to have a brain first,before he can understand

  • FreedomFighter

    Another example of the Marxist/Socialist/Progressives agenda — Redistribute your wealth to generate votes, to maintain power, and increase dependance on the taxpayer->goverment money nipple.

    In addition, tax increases that overburden the producers in effect: cripple the job market, slow business and consumer spending.

    IMHO if you were trying to gut American business, and tax-subjugate the population Obama would be doing a smash bang up job.

    FF

    • Raggs

      Yeah but…. That’s exactly what he want’s to do.
      If everyone completely depended on the government ( as he wishes ) it would be soooooo easy for him to enslave us… What do you think this health-care will do?.. It is inslavement!… Inslavement to the government , WOW doesn’t that have a ring to it?… Ok let’s see who was it that did that in the past?… Any guesses?.

  • atlas reborn

    you know my father told me a democrat will steal 3 dollars from you, and tell you about $2 he stole, A republican will steal 3 dollars from you and tell you about all three dollars. but they both will steal 3 dollars from you. now what i want is a man who will swear he will uphold the constitution and abide by what the constitution says. I want a person who fears God and will do what is needed to protect the citizens of America, will let private business and orginizations to operate schools, business, and transportation. government could not even keep trains running on schedule, nor keep their own watches on time. the very few things government is really supposed to do they do not know how to. we have way too much government and not enough freedom. If you want cradle to grave support i suggest you find a socialist or communist country and move, do not change this country so you can be a baby all your life. if people would take care of what they are responsible for we would have few problems and a happier life. neither demcrats or republicans will do what is right for america because they would be out of most of their jobs. they would be lost. and government would cost a quarter of what it now costs. and we would know better how to spend it.

  • chuck b

    joe d

    can you prove that barry was a constitutional law professor, somewhere someone said he was an aide to a proffesor and even that is debated. i accept he was a street organizer and knew the communist manifesto well, but, the constitution? i doubt that one, or he forgot everything he knew.
    you credit him with being a street organizer? wow!! it doesn’t take much to excite the liberal mind. ( i use the term mind loosely)
    i’m sure if you were board ing a plane it would feel really good that no one had to identify themselves. is school out yet?

    • wayne a

      don’t ask joe to prove anything,he can’t.joe has a problem,he fibs.lol

  • Earl, QUEENS, NY

    As Sean Hannity, et al, point out, this November’s election is probably the most critical in history. It’s important that we win back the House, Senate, or both. It’s the only way to stop the leftwing detrimental agenda of BHO, Pelousy and Reid. Of course, we also realize that these vengeful Democraps (if they lose) will force much unwanted legislation on us during the 2 month lame duck session. In that case, what can we do?? Perhaps we can demand repeal of all bad legislation passed in 2009 and 2010, and threaten to shut down the government if they don’t repeal?????

  • Patricia

    Joe D— sounds like community agitator to me with your rants about anything or anybody who has a different opinion than yourself. Give it up- you aren’t worth the time it takes to type a response to try and have a civil conversation with you on any topic.This is the problem with the gov’t now in office— avoid,put down, humiliate and use the race card. Guess this makes everything ok—- it diverts the focus off the true workings of the far left. You would do yourself a favor by attempting open dialogue rather than your sarcasm and threats. Or log off – you repeat your same rhetoric over and over again. BORING!

  • June Gagnon

    Hey folks, name calling doesn’t accomplish anything – -we know “conservatives” love the USA and all we stand for; whether these conservatives are “tea partiers”, or some other group. Those of us who do love the USA need to stand together, support each other and get out the vote in November. By that, I mean convince your family, relatives, friends and associates, that this mid-term election is one of the most important elections of this young century! Do your homework, research the candidates, look at their voting records, background, etc.! We can and will take this country back, get it on the “right” track, get rid of the socialistic usurper in the oval office and all his chicago-mafia cronies. Every candidate, who chooses to run for public office, must be willing to sign a “Contract With America” and if they do not run “true to form”, they should be, instantly, recalled by their home state and constituency. Whom ever we elect must be willing to impeach, arrest and try for treason, any and all in this administration who are, so blatantly, working to destroy this country – -and, personally, I don’t care if they’re republican, or democrat. ANY of “our representatives”, who have supported this fraudulent administration are candidates for this kind of “punishment”. If we sent them to DC to represent US and they are, merely, obama “rubber stamps”- – get rid of them and make them pay a price for “treason” (or sheer stupidity)!

  • CLARENCE SWINNEY

    OBAMA IS GOD’S SERVANT
    OBAMA WAS SENT DIRECTLY FROM HEAVEN BY GOD
    OBAMA IS DOING GOD’S WORK ON EARTH
    OBAMA NEXT MISSION IS TO GO TO FOREIGN PLANET TO SAVE IT FROM KKKKOOOKKONSERVATIVES
    OBAMA HAS GOD ON HIS SIDE
    OBAMA CANNOT FAIL

    PRAISE ALLAH ALL IS WELL GO OBAMA GO

    • JeffH

      Saul Alinsky would have loved you! Such a typical meaningless Alinsky styled comment…

    • 45caliber

      Thanks for the laugh.

    • chuck b

      swinney

      don’t forget your blanket when you get up. also, don’t forget to feed the camel.

    • vicki

      And sorry about the straw. :)

    • http://yahoo pj

      you are just another dumb cult dumb muslim-why don’t you go back to where you came from!!!!! you and obama will make great cell mates in hell!!!

  • http://gmail i41

    Name one damn democrat that isn’t a marxist socialist, they all are. Every democrat loves total government control over every thing. Every sham theory program has never worked and cost several times more than the jackassed expert scholars said it would, all the costs over the targetted estimate. Republicans are starting to dispose of rinos in primaries, but it will be harder durning the general election, too many ACORN idoits will try and keep rinos in office, if their socialist democrat party doen’t have a phony canidate to run. Watch as the war with, no more unemployment checks start to slow down, and when the tax cuts stops, and all the increases hit the middle and lower class. I see college grads are having to take lower paying rates than a year ago and there are fewer jobs out there. Well the over educated spoilt morons, beleived the BS of the democrat media and the muslim marxist phony, hopefully the fecal brained smucks will wake up and see the light, but I doubt it.

  • eddie47d

    Obama was elected fair and square and by a sizeable majority.He’s a good President to some and a terrible President to others and until proven otherwise his administration is not fraudulent.(that includes birth certificate). So your name calling is exactly what you preach against. If you don’t like him vote him out in 2012. That’s the American way or impeachment but your Facts on that are extremely weak. (more name calling). Which makes you sound like a rubber stamp for the Republican Party.

    • JeffH

      Polly wany a cracker? baaarrraaaccckkk!

      • eddie47d

        I love crackers. Why don’t you (words removed for offensive content).

  • 45caliber

    Liberal Think and Conservative Think Compared:

    One of the hardest things for a conservative to understand is a liberal. Even if most of us started as liberals when we were still in school.

    A liberal believes in some abstract theory of the Good World – Utopia. Everyone will do exactly as they wish all the time without anyone telling them differently. All work will be done because the government (god) will take care of it. Those working for the government will do it for the good of their soul and because they enjoy helping others find happiness. Don’t like to work? No problem! You’ll receive the same “wages” as those who do. But not to worry. No one will need money anyway. Anything you need will be available at now cost. All you need to do is drop by the food place (not grocery since someone would need to be paid there) and pick up whatever you like from the worker there who dearly LOVES to see people like you pick up what is desired. There will be no waste because everyone will take just what they need and there will be no extra things to go to waste because the government (god) will know exactly the amount of everthing that is needed. No one would ever consider committing a crime because all crime is related to someone not having everything they need and want. Everyone will live in the house they like and want and no one would ever consider wasting electricty. And everyone would be vegetarian and get along with all of nature. Lions would lay down with the lambs beside them instead of inside them. All it takes is for mankind to admit that this is just what they want. And let the government be in charge. And don’t worry about those who manage the government. It will be the very liberal you are talking to since he is so intelligent. And everyone will admire his intelligence and won’t mind a bit if he was to get a few extras that everyone else doesn’t. Everyone is good and everyone knows it. So you respect everyone knowing they are good.

    The conservative, on the other hand, looks at life based on lived experience. Some of that experience is his and some may be learned by him from history. He frowns upon ideas that have been tried and failed and sees no reason to try them again with the expectation that there will be a differenct (and good) outcome this time. Instead of believing that everyone is good, they are willing to wait and see if that is true. They believe in a person earning respect instead of getting respect simply because they exist. They are willing to give strangers a chance but only one. They do not trust anyone who insists they have only your good at heart, particularly if they have already shown that they have no idea what “good” is for you in the first place. I.e., they don’t believe any government knows what is good for you at all. They accept that everyone is different from everyone else and realize that some of that difference is because some people are just plain evil.

    • vicki

      let us talk about that food place and “need”. As Michelle Obama recently accidentally pointed out. People do not NEED food to taste good. Food only needs to be nutritious and enough calories to feed the body.

      I wonder how the good liberal will feel when he/she goes into the food place expecting to choose anything they desire and find only what they need.

      • vicki

        nutritious. the word is nutritious :)

  • chuck b

    eddie

    barry was elected by ignorant people and that includes some republicans.
    you say he was fairly elected. his election had considerable fraud involved, do you remember acorn? nobody did anything about it, after all he was the first black to be elected president and this tickled the liberal heart. it didn’t make any difference if he was american or not, “he was black”.
    we watch as the most inept man to ever hold the presidency along with a cabinet full of communist, utterly destroy the economy and the country. if you condemn it , you are a racist, how convenient.
    he refuses to squelch the rumor he was born out of the u.s. and will not expose his education records, yet you liberals are quick to point out he was a constitutional professor without any proof he even attended such a class and i feel sure he didn’t. one poster even admired the fact he was a neighborhood organizer, what a gift to mankind. i’ll bet lenin stood up in his grave and bowed. he lied to the people about his religion and now we find out he admitted to being a muslim (who are by the way, committed to the destruction of isreal and christianity) yet the communist jews crawl in bed with him.
    there are lots of black politicians out there who call their selves americans, “not african americans” who love this country and have served, yet this doesn’t fit the liberal communist agenda. so you can have barry, if it is possible we will vote him out in 2012.

    • Bob Wire

      still labeling people I see Chuck. ~ Well considering the hard data is not truly in on the current administration yet ,finding few comparison graphs, I guess we’ll just have to take your word for it.

      But after reading the hard data that “IS” in ~ It makes me wonder when so many of you became interested in government spending. For as the records shows us ~ Reagan and 43 were truly a “Lush” when it came to “Federal Over Spending” and it begs the question.

      “Exactly when did you people wake up?”

      >> “The chart above is based on data from the Bureau of Public Debt up to September 8, 2008, the last reporting day before this chart was created. The 2008 Fiscal Year ends on September 30th. It seems likely that the National Debt will exceed $600 Billion (!) for the first time ever in fiscal 2008. Not that any of the Press, mostly owned by Republicans and right-wing foreigners, will report it.

      By comparison, please note that Democratic President Bill Clinton increased the National Debt by less than $18 Billion in his ENTIRE LAST YEAR in office! At the rate that the Clinton administration was reducing the debt increases, an Al Gore administration would have almost paid off the entire National Debt by 2008! We would have had EIGHT STRAIGHT YEARS OF DEBT DECREASES!!! A far cry from what Bush and the Republicans gave us.

      Bill Clinton steadily reduced the debt increase while he was in office, thanks largely to the 1993 Debt Reduction Act* that was OPPOSED BY EVERY SINGLE REPUBLICAN IN CONGRESS, led by Newt Gingrich! The Republicans claimed that the Debt Reduction Act would result in HIGHER deficits and also result in an economic recession during President Clinton’s term. Obviously, with hindsight they were completely wrong. Republicans don’t seem to be very good at math, or economics.

      Now, after 20 years of huge Republican deficits and Republican recessions, the National Debt has increased from $937 Billion — LESS than $1 Trillion — the day Ronald Reagan took office to ALMOST $10 TRILLION!!! The Debt has increased more than TEN TIMES what it was when Ronald Reagan promised to reduce the National Debt by 1983! We and our children and their children will be paying off the debt added by Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush for the next 100 years and more! For what !?!? Services have been cut across America. Police and Fire Departments haven’t grown nearly as fast as our population. Even the number of troops in the military has been cut while military spending has skyrocketed!”<<

      So there it is. ~ It was your GOP savior, Ronnie Rayguns and Voo Doo economics, side-side economic, tax cuts that "stimulate growth & create jobs", deregulation of commerce/ banking, etc and a huge military build-up that got us to when we are today. With 43 batting clean-up and
      squarndering any gains made with the fall of USSR ~ by starting a two front war on the other side of the world with a bunch of Camel drivers while making on arrangements to pay for them! ~ If fact, offering only more tax cuts! To stimulate "MORE" growth and create "MORE" jobs!

      These two Republican Administration have spent Americans tax dollars like it was "play money" and made friends in high places ~ " The best friends that money can buy!"

      So I think it's a little late for you to be register complaints about spending money, your concerns best voices over the last 30 years of reckless GOP Administration spending.

      That you might think us stupid ~ reflects heavily on your judgment to make such a call and indicative of the mess that's been created by the people you have chosen to support and defend.

      I don't think that you a stupid ~ I think you are too plain dumb to be called stupid. You can only aspire to be stupid.

  • 45caliber

    Bye. I have to run a sick dog to the vet.

  • JeffH

    “eddie47d says:
    July 19, 2010 at 3:14 pm
    The Tea Party get’s it’s cue from Glenn Beck who uses many Nazi scare tactics. So Joe is somewhat right.”

    The Tea Party grassroots movement is basically for limited government, keep it simple, and that’s government on all levels.

    Now fast eddie, why don’t you list in detail all of the “Nazi scare tactics” used by Beck on the Tea Party movement! Don’t bail on this as you do whenever you are asked to “prove you point”, just show the proof in you comment, that’s all.

    • Bob Wire

      I too see many parallels with Beck’s rhetorical commentary and it “is” repeated here ~ by people considering themselves sympathetic Tea Party supporters.

      Must I need to prove it? ~ To what end would it serve? What would be gained? Who would be served? ~ I’ve got more pressing matters to address and time is limited. If you have decided to invest the time to view Becks show regular. You have made the decision to commit to a thought process that’s rooted in fear and race bias and I have little in common with you.

      I watched G Beck many times ~ and became interested enough in him to research his bio. It’s an interesting and colorful one. ~ Lost two mothers to suicide, leaving little Glen on is own without much of a mother figure in his life. ~ If you are interested ~there’s much much more that explains this man. It shows a patten of behavior and all makes perfect sense when you put it all together.

      But it for you to do and not for me to tell you.

      Bottom Line, glenn beck is “not” my kind of person and I have little in common with him. I don’t see the world as he sees it.

      But maybe he’s perfect for you?

      • Vicki

        Bob Wire writes:
        “Must I need to prove it? ~ To what end would it serve? What would be gained? Who would be served? ~ ”

        Yes you need to prove accusations like that. Show us your thoughts and why you think they are similar. That is the purpose of debate. You would be served as we would understand better your position. You would be served as your credibility would be enhanced.

        Failure to do so shows us your debate style of proof by bald assertion.

        “I’ve got more pressing matters to address and time is limited.”

        Thus proving you to be a “drive by liberal poster”. Can’t debate. Too nice to throw mud (thank you btw) just toss in a comment and go away. We will likely stop reading your posts.

        “If you have decided to invest the time to view Becks show regular. You have made the decision to commit to a thought process that’s rooted in fear and race bias and I have little in common with you.”

        Aha. So you do understand our concern over the President. I remember a certain reverend. Now I have listened to the popular youTube videos of that mr wright and I have listened to Glen Beck. I posit to you that of the 2 mr wright’s discussions are FAR MORE rooted in fear and race bias then Glen Beck. Actually I don’t remember any from Glen. Thus if they are there please provide verifiable quotes.

        Now for general education here is an assertion without proof

        “President Obama has told people he was born in Kenya”
        Here is another
        “President Obama was born in Hawaii”

        Both have one thing in common. Little or no proof.
        The 2nd one at least has sources to confirm.
        Interesting that the 2nd one has at least 1 source to deny.
        Obama’s Grandmother
        http://www.israelnationalnews.com/blogs/message.aspx/3074
        That is called a link btw. It is a good method of proving your assertions. Try it sometime.

    • eddie47d

      (offensive words removed) Jeff; No ones bailing I would rather not respond to YOUR Alinsky tactics you master of deceit. Beck on several occasions has used old nazi flim clips when talking about someone he doesn’t like whether there is any truth to it or not. Kind of like your tactics.

  • JeffH

    The ImpeachObamaCampaign.com a project of the Policy Issues Institute is pleased to announce that more than one million Americans have signed their petition is support of the Impeachment of Barack Obama.

    Obama’s habit of casually blaming all problems on the sins of his predecessor recalls a quote by Joseph Conrad, “The belief in a supernatural source of evil is not necessary; men alone are quite capable of every wickedness.” Similarly, Barack has revealed enough willful stupidity, ignorance, and crafty sabotage to explain every lingering crisis in America; he no longer need invoke the Devil Bush.

    sign the petetion at:
    http://www.impeachobamacampaign.com/sign-the-petition/?utm_source=Floyd+Reports&utm_campaign=e97cccf292-FR_7_19_107_19_2010&utm_medium=email

  • jopa

    My my my; 45 cal. ran off to the vet so fast that his sick dog JeffH got left at home walking around on his keyboard.

    • Claire

      jopa–I do not find any humor in your comment about 45 caliber’s sick dog. Especially since I love dogs and I have several. To me, a sick dog is serious business.

      • JeffH

        Claire, how did you weekend of judging go?

        • Claire

          JeffH–
          It was great! Bob and I had a wonderful time. Good food and good company! I only judged on Saturday and the female puppy I picked for Best in Sweeps won all 3 days by taking winners bitch in the regular classes. The judges that did the regular classes picked her too. The male I put in 2nd place in the male category in Sweeps took Best of Breed two days! Can you imagine!! He was okay but not what I am used to. Big Big male. The male pup that I put as first should have won. He had movement to die for and he was a nice male. Not overdone. But every person has different likes. I felt rather odd not to be showing my own dogs, but when you judge you can’t show in any of the classes. I have my 2 males that need to get finished ASAP. I have to get them better trained. Besides, it was hotter than heck. I did okay with the heat, but I didn’t have to run!! With my boys I have to run! I will begin showing them in early fall. So wish me luck.

          • JeffH

            Claire, that’s great to hear…brings back fond memories for me…glad you and your hubby had a good time.

    • JeffH

      Just what one can expect out of a child…

    • 45caliber

      Looks like my dog is a goner. She went from running around to paralized in about two days. The vet is trying to determine what the problem is.

      • libertytrain

        I’m sorry.

      • Claire

        45caliber–I am so sorry. My thoughts are with you. I have had several put to sleep and I always hold them because I do not want them to die alone. I want them to know right up to the end that I loved them very much. I have them cremated and they will all be in my casket when I pass this earth. I tease my husband and tell him he will have to get 8 pallbearers instead of 6 —my casket will be very heavy.

        “Whoever said you cannot buy happiness forgot about dogs.”

      • JeffH

        45caliber, I now the pain you must feel…sorry my man.

        • JeffH

          know

  • American Vet

    Since this story inherited the Title–”Beware the Lame-Duck”, I found that “Wooden-Duck” is a better term, since this Wood finally reveals that it’s a ‘false-duck’ without a “Quack”-! Tells the entire story of Obama’s promises–”#1 to set a record of telling more lies than most politicians ever dreamed of-!” #2-To spend more money than any 10 other politicians ever had in their Budgets-! #3-To make new Laws very clear & well-represented by having public-displays of internet & T.V. presentations for the general public–but instead made a mockery by using closed-door sessions, & making Bills, which most of Congress never had a chance to even read–before they were brought up, with the demand that Congress should vote them into Law-!” Enough said about wooden-ducks & the brains they don’t have-!

    • Vicki

      Really sad that they claim to represent us yet do not even bother to read the bills they vote for. That reason alone is good enough to fire them all in Nov.

      Also go to downsizeDC.org and send them messages every day about read the bills and write the laws etc.

  • Bob Wire

    You can call a brown nosed moose a lamb duck if it pleases you. You seem to be intent to take liberties with words and I don’t ~ for one minute think it anything less the premeditated carelessness and reflect the mindset of a bunch of losers attempting to convince themselves that “They stink less!”

    Your standing on thin ice with your argument ~ in fact ! with all of your arguments!

    I’d think, you might get just “one” right! Something with merit, something with substance, something I might champion?

    I think your mouth is writing checks your butt can’t cash.

    • Vicki

      I withdraw my comment about your not slinging mud. You are right up there with the best liberal ad homienum attacks with not even the little substance you claim your opponent has.

  • bp

    This YouTube “THE OBAMA DECEPTION” explains SO MUCH: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw

  • jopa

    bp Just checked out the video.Are you a teabagger,repuke or what.If this is your source of political information you are not the brightest bulb on the tree.You really believe this was not edited and it is factual???

    • bp

      jopa; Are you a kool-aid drinker? Yes, factual; and every video is edited; what’s your point? Research it for yourself.

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