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Barbour Refuses To Denounce Tribute To Former KKK Leader

February 21, 2011 by  

Barbour refuses to denounce tribute to former KKK leaderMississippi Governor Haley Barbour has predicted that a State license plate honoring a former leader of the Ku Klux Klan will not be approved by lawmakers. However, the Republican official has not denounced the efforts to produce the controversial plate.

According to media reports, the Mississippi division of the Sons of Confederate Veterans, a heritage group, has proposed a series of license plates to mark the 150th anniversary of the Civil War. One of the commemorative plates would recognize Confederate General Nathan Bedford Forrest, who led a cavalry regiment and was one of the first to grasp the doctrines of mobile warfare. After the war he became the first Grand Wizard of the KKK.

However, it is widely believed that Forrest distanced himself from the KKK later in life and even promoted equal rights for African Americans. Nonetheless, the Mississippi branch of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People has denounced the proposed plate. The group's president Derrick Johnson said it is "absurd" to honor a "racially divisive figure," quoted by The Huffington Post.

Barbour, who is a rumored GOP candidate for the 2012 Presidential election, said that the former KKK leader is a "historical figure."

"I don't go around denouncing people," Barbour said, quoted by the news provider. "That's not going to happen. I don't even denounce the news media."

Barbour was criticized late last year for his praise of the Citizens' Councils of Americans (CCA), a former white supremacy group that opposed racial integration, during an interview with The Weekly Standard. He also said that racial tensions were not "that bad" in Mississippi during the 1950s and 1960s. 

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  • MrBreeze

    The commentary above is why Haley Barbour has a “nada’ chance at winning a bid for the POTUS. Not only can he not shed his deep southern “twang”; he cannot shed his deep southern colors.

    • Raymond Babcock

      i live in kansas i no a lot od haters dont fool your self they talk like ther from the south of 1820

      • Buckeye

        The repubs want complete control over the people and they will back anyone or group that feels as they do. Wake up your family or group, race, ect. will be next.

  • http://None J.B. Williams

    I wonder at what point do we stop allowing individual groups of dissidents to dictate what other groups will and will not do, or what is politically correct. The African Americans have their own T.V. network, called BET. Whites don’t tell them they can’t have it or tell them what they can or cannot show on it. So why are whites so easily swayed by a particular group of dissidents? When is enough enough.

    • Bruce D.

      Groups that make the loudest noise or those who can guarantee the biggest voting block have the most say. Those who control the media in the past have also controlled the the direction of society which has been going steadily downhill since the 60s. Most want blacks to get a good education and a good job. To do this they need confidence and self respect. People like Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and white Marxist attacking successful people like Bill Cosby try to keep blacks in the Marxist mentality of victim. Redistribution is a form of mind control that people of weak minds fall pray to of any race.

    • Bruce D.

      Groups that make the loudest noise or those who can guarantee the biggest voting block have the most say. Those who control the media have also controlled the the direction of society which has been in decline since the 60s. Most want blacks to get a good education and a good job. To do this they need confidence and self respect. People like Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and white Marxist attacking successful people like Bill Cosby try to keep blacks in the Marxist mentality of victim. Redistribution is a form of mind control that people of weak minds fall pray to of any race. Socialism is a form of I can’t do it, help me mentality. No greatness will come out of that thought process and no society will advance using it.

    • Raymond Babcock

      thats the question i do not have civil libertys no equal protection under the law what happened to all being equal

      • 10 X Shot

        Raymond, Please list what Rights or Civil Libertys that I have that you don’t enjoy. Or shall I make it easy on you and just ask for ONE!

    • YH

      JB are you comparing the Klu Klux Klan to BET?

    • mark

      A typical racist comment from a Conservative Racist Republican.

  • newspooner

    Individual racism is bad. Institutional racism is worse. Governmental racism is the worst of all. We must stop letting the federal government get away with blatant racism, such as the 2010 Federal Census questions, and all legislation that is based on racism and then has the audacity to use a euphemism like “affirmative action”.

    • Bruce D.

      I also believe Affirmative Action is racist in it nature. People promoting Affirmative Action in government should be fired as soon as possibly. This kind of racism should not be institutionalized by government as it promotes the idea that some are inferior to others and cannot succeed on merit. It is also socialistic in its nature as it is not based on merit which advances society. Also spending 14 trillion on the war on poverty since President Johnson initiated it has only created more poor people. Coincidentally it is about the same amount as the national debt with not much hope in sight.

      • mark

        Segregation was white affirmative action. I sure did not hear the white conservatives complain about that. Oh, yes, segregation was to keep the black man down and the white man up

    • Raymond Babcock

      a lot of people think and feel the same way there are no slaves except those who try to enslave white people to the past

  • Francis2

    Isn’t he the same person who is pushing AMNESTY for ILLEGALS?

  • FlaJim

    The KKK following the War of Northern Aggression was a completely different organization from the one that formed and grew to strength in the 20th century. Following the war, nearly all Southern whites were disenfranchised and then further plundered through ‘legal’ means. The only recourse for wronged whites was the KKK and so had more to do with politics and preservation of decent society than with race.

    After their states were readmitted and they received the franchise again, the KKK of Nathan Bedford Forrest quietly died out but it had served a vital need in preserving various communities and protecting many individuals from predatory actions by Radical Republicans.

    • Bruce D.

      That is interesting. I know very little about the subject but it sounds plausible

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        If the subject truly interests you read some of the books written on Reconstruction, especially the one’s published by Mockingbird Press. They are a Souther publisher who reprints books written in the South during that time. A whole diffrent perspective than those published in the North. Since the South lived through it I’d say their accounts are more accurate. Also D.W. Griffith’s movie “Birth of a Nation” done in 1915 is more fact than fiction. well worth watching if you can get a copy.

        • Bruce D.

          I am from the North and visited a friend’s family in Tennessee in the early 70s. I was surprised they were still thinking about politics and society in the terms of North and South. By the 70s there was absolutely no focus on the South in any way in the North-good or bad-and no one even thought about the Civil War except in history class in high school for one week maybe. I find Hollywood and the left look down on the South. I think the reason is that they began to leave the Democrat party when Reagan took office. It is really not about North and South and has not been for a long time. It is about left and right. The left that is keeping the idea of racism and slavery alive for political purposes. The left feel that if they can keep blacks feeling like they are victims of something blacks will remain a hefty voting block for them.

    • Cliffystones

      Yes FlaJim, thanks for the info. My mother was also from Florida. I have cousins there as well. The way the politically correct have attempted to rewrite history with regard to the Civil War is just shameful.

      Like with the Confederate flag. Display it and you are labeled a racist. But informed, intelligent Americans like us know that racism and slavery had very little to do with the conflict between the North and the South.

      • Joyce from Loris

        Cliffystones, the winners of any war always write the history books. If people of today were actually interested in learning the history, the REAL history, of the past, there are plenty of newspaper articles from that time period to tell the truth. There are actually census records from the 1859-1860 period that show that there were more slave owners in the north than the south. That war was about TAXES. The south paid 80% of all taxes in the country. In a newspaper article, the reporter asked Abe Lincoln why he did not let the south go in peace, as the constitution allows. His reply? “I can’t let the south go, who would pay for the government?” But people don’t want to know the truth. I think slavery is so very wrong, but actually slavery was bought to the fore front to over shadow the atrocities that Sherman laid on the CITIZENS of the south. He murdered innocent women, children and elderly, in their yards working their gardens. He took the war to the CITIZENS’ house, burned their homes and fields, killed every hog, chicken and cow, destroyed any means of feeding themselves. The southern people fought the war on the battlefields. You can’t win a war when the opposite side attacks your family. There is a lot to learn about and from that time period. Just like today, they taught what would be ACCEPTABLE to the winners. That is why you see so many people today, 150 years after the fact, that are true to the memory of that time period. The Confederate flag was a defeated flag, yet still flies today all over the nation, after 150 years. And it has nothing to do with the black race. Amazing, huh?

        • 45caliber

          You are correct. The South was also forced to sell all their crops including tobacco and cotton to Northern merchants who then could sell it in Europe. When the South started trying to sell directly to Europe, the North began to pass laws to forbid it. They were also trying to pass laws that forbid the South from buying anything from Europe. They were to buy completely from the North who were marking up the prices for the South.

          Slavery was simply political propaganda to encourage the Northern troops to fight. In fact, the slaves in the South were the ONLY slaves to be freed until some time after the Civil War when many of the Northern Veterans began to realize the merchants in the North intended to keep their own slaves.

          • Joyce from Loris

            You are correct, fellow history buff. In fact, the last person in the North to give her slaves up, with a threat of being placed in prison, was SHERMAN’S WIFE. Ironic, isn’t it? As Sherman marched further south, burning homes, crops and churches, the “freed slaves” were following his troops, as they had no idea where to go or what to do. The freed slaves were consuming a great deal of the troops provisions. Sherman ordered his troops to sneak away during the night from the freed slaves, crossed a bridge and burned it, so they could not follow. He left them there all alone, to fend for themselves. What a guy.

          • Vigilant

            Sorry to burst the bubbles of all you who believe in the fairy tales spread by Southern revisionist historians about slavery.

            I ask you to do JUST ONE THING: read the Democrat and Republican Party platforms of 1856 and 1860 (readily available on the internet, just Google them). These are not some historian’s dreams, these are the political positions of the parties IN THEIR OWN WORDS.

            In doing so, notice the NUMBER of lines in each devoted to the slavery issue and the POSITION in each document. Then come back here and we’ll talk about whether or not slavery was not just an important issue, it was THE critical issue!

    • tecumseh

      The problem is that Nathan Bedford Forrest was the officer in charge at Ft. Pillow where it is probable that many black union officers were executed who were trying to surrender. There is of course denial that Forrest participated but most historians hold him guilty at least in part for this massacre of black soldiers.

      • 45caliber

        Interesting. I didn’t know the Union had a large number of black officers. I was under the impression that most officers of even black units had white officers primarily because no blacks had any experience as an officer. They were the same in WWII.

      • Joyce from Loris

        It was a war, silly. Didn’t matter if they were white, black or purple, they were the enemy. How can anyone yell about the blacks that were killed in the war, when 100 times more WHITES were killed! That is what happens in wars…. people died, all colors.

    • Raymond Babcock

      why dont we make the kkk a politcal party

    • John Field Pankow

      Excellent points. I’ve even read that there were black members of the original KKK of the Reconstruction era, which was disbanded in the 1870s. The one that was founded in 1915 had nothing to do with the original, except for taking its name. And the KKK of the 1920s had its headquarters, and more members, in Indiana than anywhere in the South. But then, we shouldn’t confuse these people with actual facts. They get their pseudo-history from sources like Hollywood and Ken Burns.

    • 45caliber


      You are correct. Too many people believe the original KKK is the same as that seen in the mid-1900′s. They are wrong.

    • mark

      The Confederate soldiers were traitors and losers! Lee and Davis and the other Confederate Leaders and Generals should have been hung for treason!

  • Monte Poitevint

    The NAACP is a leftist, communist inspired organization. What they have to say is not relevant to any serious conversation. Nathan Bedford Forrest was a hero, quite unlike his whining, communist distracters.

    • Norm

      Nathan Bedford Forrest was a traitor.

      • Cliffystones

        You’re almost there Norm, just a few more gulps of Kool Aid!

      • Trapper

        Then so was Robert Byrd of Virginia!

        • Trapper

          Sorry, I meant West Virginia!!!

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        Norm: you’re not qualified to shine his boots.

      • coal miner


        A lot of historical characters weren’t very nice.You got milatary heroes who fought on different sides. You got Sheridan,Sherman and Custer,they too committed atrocities.Lets not forget what they have done to the Indians.

        • coal miner

          I meant Military.

        • Norm

          coal miner
          What Sherman did to Georgia was ugly, but it needed to be done.
          The Civil War was a useless waste of life on both sides. The elite in the South, like the elite of today, manipulated the poor of finance and mind to give their lives to maintain the wealth and status of the fortunate few. In the South they lost. The punishment was not severe enough.

    • coal miner
    • Raymond Babcock

      we are all being played everthing bad is the white mans fault everthing good isbecause of the people of the so called color

  • Norm

    The “heroes” of the war of southern treachery should not be honored because they were enemies of the United States of America.
    Should we also honor general Cornwallis, Benedict Arnold, or Erwin Rommel because the were good military men?
    The KKK was, is, and always will be a racist, and morally corrupt group of hate filled Christian hypocrites. It is an example of the worse this country can produce.
    Haley Barbour is a piece of work. God bless the state of Mississippi.

    • http://naver samurai

      No but we do honor Robert E. Lee. We also have named many army posts after Confederate generals also. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Norm

        Robert E. Lee was a traitor. His plantation (that he acquired through his wife) is now Arlington Cemetery. It’s unfortunate that Lincoln didn’t make him a high priority resident.

    • Joyce from Loris

      You are so ignorant of history.

    • Raymond Babcock

      they are no worse then the new black panther party i think they should all get to together like gladiaters in old rome

    • John Field Pankow

      If Robert E. Lee and Nathan Bedford Forrest were “treasonous” and “traitors,” then so, too, were George Washington, Thomas Jefferson & Patrick Henry. All these men fought for the same principles…..that man has a God given right to determine what sort of government governs him…. that the legitimacy of government depends on the consent of the governed, not on military might, not on government by force at the point of a bayonet. If it was wrong to secede in 1861, then it was wrong in 1776. (Even more wrong in 1776, as Britain owned the colonies. The States of 1861 were participants in a government whose cornerstone was the right of man to govern himself.)

      It was something that had been taken for granted prior to 1861. The New England States had threatened to secede from the federal government in 1803, 1814, 1836 and 1845, even to the point of calling a secession convention in Hartford, Conn. in 1814. Lincoln spoke out on the floor of Congress in 1846 about this right, saying “any people anywhere” had a right to secede from their government and form one that suits them better. However, when he was president and some of the Southern States actually did secede in 1861, he called out troops to invade and conquer them.

      My own State of North Carolina had voted not to hold a secession convention in Feb. 1861, believing that compromise was the best route to take. However, after Lincoln called out troops to invade the seceded States on 15 April 1861, the opinion changed radically. In May 1861, they voted almost unanimously to secede, viewing Lincoln’s act in calling for the invasion of the South for what it was… a gross violation of the Constitution. They chose the date of the vote to send a message… May 20, as that was the anniversary of the date when Mecklenburg County, NC had declared her independence from Great Britain in 1775, more than a year before the more famous Declaration of Independence. And those two dates, May 20, 1775 and May 20, 1861, were placed on the flag that flew over NC during the War. And North Carolina sent more troops to fight than any other Southern State.

      As to the root causes of the controversy, slavery really had very little to do with it. A pretty clear proof of this can be found in the fact that when General Lee surrendered to General Grant at Appomattox in 1865, the one of these men owned slaves was NOT General Lee. The real cause of the conflict was that, while the North had a population of 22 million, and the South had 9 million, the South was providing something like three-quarters of the revenues of the federal government, and almost all of this money was being spent on internal improvements in the Northern States. Farmers in NC and Mississippi were paying for bridges, railroads and canals to be built in Boston & Chicago….and they resented it. They felt a distant government which didn’t listen to their views and actively worked against their interests….whether it be in London or Washington….had no right to force its will upon them. The parallels between 1776 and 1861 are amazing for anyone who deals in facts and not in propaganda.

      As to the slavery/race issue, when Lincoln proclaimed “Emancipation” in 1863, for those slaves over whom he had no control (the proclamation was carefully worded not to free Mrs. Grant’s slaves, or those who were working on finishing the capitol dome in Washington, or any others in the Northern States), he wasn’t motivated by concern for the slaves. Like England in the Wars of 1776 and 1812, he was seeking to provoke a bloody slave uprising and race war of the sort that had destroyed in Haiti in 1791.

      Interestingly, one of the richest men, and largest slave owners in South Carolina before the War was William Ellison…. a free black man. This was at the same time when the State Constitutions of States like Indiana and Illinois (Yes, the “Land of Lincoln” and Obama) prohibited black people, whether free or slave, from moving into those States. Free black men could vote in NC until 1835…. at the same time they couldn’t even move into Indiana.

      A little reported fact of history is that, at the time of his death, Lincoln had been discussing a scheme with Benjamin Butler (the infamous General “Beast” Butler who had treated Southern civilians with unprecedented brutality) to forcibly deport ALL blacks, whether former slave or former free man, out of the country. When one discusses “Free States” and “Slave States” one might look into the real meaning of “Free.” In general those States were, deliberately and by legislation, free of any black people at all….and had ambitions to remake the country as a whole in their own image. The idea that these people went to war for altruistic means to free the slaves is really quite ridiculous if you look at the facts. In fact, after the War, Ulysses S. Grant commented that, if he thought the purpose of the war was to free the slaves, he’d have fought on the other side. Of course, later he, and others, learned that they could gain political power by using the former slaves as pawns….something that’s gone on for 150 years.

      Another fact that has been swept under the rug is that, during the debates over the ratification of the Constitution in 1789, Virginians led the effort to get the foreign slave trade outlawed….and were opposed by the New England States, whose ship captains made vast fortunes off the “triangle trade.” When the Virginians finally succeeded in having the trade made illegal in 1808, some New Englanders suddenly decided slavery was wrong…. though they’d had no such compunctions for 150 years. It was the New England ship captains and the African slavers, who made profits on the slave trade, not any Southerner. And by 1860, slavery was gradually dying out in the South. In my own family, most of the slaves that had been owned by my folks were freed in the early 1800s, in 1805 and 1830, though some of them and their descendants remained as free workers with the family until well into the 1900s.

      Many black Southerners fought in the Confederate Army. When I was a child, our housekeeper was very proud of the fact that her grandfather had been a Confederate soldier. She and my grandmother (also the granddaughter of a Confederate soldier) used to tell me about their grandfathers’ part in that struggle for independence from tyranny. They taught me to sing a song they’d sung in those days “We are a band of brothers, and native to the soil, fighting for our liberty, with treasure, blood and toil.” Interestingly, if you look up the words to “The Bonnie Blue Flag,” in many places, you will find a revised version of the words (as so much of our history has been revised and rewritten)…. but I got it from ladies who’d heard their Confederate grandfathers sing it.

      As a kinsman of mine once said “If this be treason, then make the most of it!”

      • 45caliber

        You are correct. But the North doesn’t want to admit that they basically enslaved the entire South for over fifty years so they could get richer.

        As I mentioned elsewhere, they wanted to require the South to only sell (at the North’s prices) the tobacco and cotton that the South depended upon for cash crops. In addition, coal and iron ore was found near Mobile, AL. When the Southern planters began to build their own iron works, the Northern merchants declared that was off limits since the South would then be able to make many of their own finished goods. That was when the South decided their ownly way out was to secceed from the Union – legally. The Northern merchants and government didn’t like it since it cut into their profits and tax money they were getting from the South.

      • 45caliber

        You are also right about Washington, etc. being traitors too. They were every bit as much traitors as those of the Civil War Southerners were – not traitors at all.

      • mark

        There is no moral arguement to defend Slavery and that is what the South fought for and got beat. The South was lucky that the North was easy on them. Usually the losing side of a revolution gets anialted.

    • Doug

      And the NAACP is a racist organization also why don’t you speak up about it Norm?

      • Norm

        I am absolutely opposed to “affirmative action”, but to compare the NAACP to the KKK is ludicrous.
        When did the NAACP kill any one?

        • http://gunner689 gunner689

          yes they did, if not directly, then by stirring up their minions.

    • independant thinker

      Many do honor Erwin Rommel because he was a great general and basicly apolitical.

  • eddie47d

    The KKK is the one that is irrelevant and should have disbanded 150 years ago. They should not be honored in any form. Bedford Forrest may have been a Civil War hero but the damage that was done with his “new cause” gave the South a black eye. You’d think the South would want to shed the indignity the KKK legacy has left them.

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      History is written by the victors. doesn’t mean it’s the whole truth.

    • Raymond Babcock

      no different then the new black panther party

  • 2WarAbnVet

    Nathan B. Forrest was far more than the founder of the KKK. He was the only man to rise from Private to Lieutenant General during the war. He led from the front, and recovered after thought to be mortally wounded on several occasions. He was feared by his enemy as “The Wizard in the Saddle”.
    Now was have ignorant pukes who have never accomplished anything in their entire lives telling us how he should be regarded.

    • http://naver samurai

      100% agree. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      Thank you sir. God Bless Bedford Forrest and may our country never be without his type.

      • mark

        Yes, just what the USA needs more white conservative RACISTS.

    • Raymond Babcock

      i he fought for what he thought was right aside from that we need to let it go

    • Norm

      The man was an ignorant racist a*sho*e.
      He was good at killing (so was Erwin Rommell) but not much else.

  • JosephineSouthern

    Like most Southernors, Gov. Barbour is just too polite.

    What will it take to stop the genocide of Southern Culture and its people! I suggest a hard knock of enlightenment on the head.

    Ah the power of the press and supposed racism. Don’t be played the fool!

    This naacp dust up story is being replayed over and over, just google it and see, and all the while the real news never gets to the people.

    Ironic that 1/2 of Forest troops were black and he is quoted as saying “Better Soldiers never lived”. Maybe that is what the naacp is trying to bury – they have to keep the hate the South smear on or they would have no plush jobs.

    Much is made of the fort pillow incident but Gen. Forest survived the trial by his oppressors in Washington, DC – look up the testimony given by union Generals that exonerated Gen Forrest

    So the Potok, splc, naacp statements are race baiting lies.­…
    “In 1864, Forrest demanded the surrender of 580 mostly black troops at Fort Pillow, warning them that otherwise, “I cannot be responsibl­e for your fate,”

    this is the lie – “even as he stealthily and illegally improved his position during negotiatio­ns under the white flag.”

    Yet, Union Brigadier General George F Shepley testified that during the white Flag of truce that the union gunboats LOADED WITH ARTILLARY were NOT signaled by the Fort to cease their approach A CLEAR VIOLATION OF THE FLAG OF TRUCE AND A VIOLATION OF THE RULES OF ENGAGEMENT­. It was NO VIOLATION OF THE TRUCE for General Forrest to take necessary steps to prevent the landing of the Gunboats.

    This would include what you either do NOT KNOW about The early days of the Klan during reconstruction under the Terrorist Militia of Parsons Brownlow, or that you are at best misleading your readers to believe these lies.

    If we listed Gen Forest sins side by side with Sherman and Grant, Forest would be4 the lesser of the other 2 evils.

    Gen. Bedford Forrest’s Speech to the Pole Bearers Association on July 5, 1875.

    • Raymond Babcock

      no not all whites are haters not all blacks are haters not all latinos are haters some has to do the right think so give it a rest

    • mark

      Please show me proof that their were any black troops that fought under Forest. There maybe have been black cooks, stable hands that were slaves that did manual labor for Forest but there were no armed black troops that fought for him.

  • Sprock

    OK, who is SURPRISED by this? Governor Barbour obviously feels he can’t afford to piss off his Southern Base. So be it. The rest of the Country will see him as holding on to the 50′s South mentality and therefore make him unelectable as President. Maybe the next license plate will honor one of the abortion doctor murderers.

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      Good idea !! Where can I buy one. Someone who kills a genocide doer is a hero in my book.

      • Dogma-Free “The Trinity”

        @gunner689 – quoting you:

        “gunner689 says:
        February 21, 2011 at 9:54 am

        Good idea !! Where can I buy one. Someone who kills a genocide doer is a hero in my book.”

        So people should kill Bush, Cheney, Rove, Rice, etc., for their orchestration of the murder of tens of thousands of innocent Iraqi Muslims…?

        Well, fair enough, I guess…He who lives by the sword, and all that…right?

        Also…people have asked for examples of where some of the far-right loons of this board/site/Republican propagandazine, have spewed forth violence-promoting rhetoric.

        I’d say your post qualifies as such.

        • Sprock

          I rest my case. I wanted to see how long it would take for someone to want such a license plate.

        • http://gunner689 gunner689

          Thank you and I meant every word of it.

        • Sara

          It is amazing that we southern people are so bad, such racist so dumb.Yet each day another family or individual of all races move here from a northern state. Go home if its so d-m- bad. I’ll help with your GPS.

          • libertytrain

            Sara – I’m one of those that came down here from the North decades ago. However, I promise you I don’t want to change things here as nearly everyone from the North does when they move in. And that dog person lives in Canada. Is clueless. And you’re correct – how come if the South is so bad it’s being overrun with the Northerners (again).

    • Raymond Babcock

      if ever one has to prove they are american citisen we are the electoral majority white if ever one that can get here can vote i would put my money on latinos there closer

  • Cliffystones

    I would proudly fly the Confederate flag. The only reason I don’t is that I can’t stand guard over my home and possessions 24/7.

    Like “Sprock” alludes to, it seems many of us are getting soft in our old age. Maybe we need to announce open season on all cars with Obama or “coexist” bumper stickers?

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      Don’t forget the “Celebrate Diversity” types.

    • Raymond Babcock

      you are looped

  • g55rumpy

    “Every man should endeavor to understand the meaning of subjugation before it is too late… It means the history of this heroic struggle will be written by the enemy; that our youth will be trained by Northern schoolteachers; will learn from Northern school books their version of the war; will be impressed by the influences of history and education to regard our gallant dead as traitors, and our maimed veterans as fit objects for derision… It is said slavery is all we are fighting for, and if we give it up we give up all. Even if this were true, which we deny, slavery is not all our enemies are fighting for. It is merely the pretense to establish sectional superiority and a more centralized form of government, and to deprive us of our rights and liberties.”
    — Maj. General Patrick R. Cleburne, CSA, January 1864,

    • Raymond Babcock

      some how iam glad i do not understand what your point is

    • John Field Pankow

      It is amazing how General Cleburne could see all that was to follow. Thanks for posting this excellent quote. I’d read it before, but didn’t know where to find it.

  • Norm

    Confederate General Nathan Bedford Forrest was a traitor, a racist, and some say, a murderer–basically the trifecta of despicability.
    Yet, despite this man’s heinous history and outrageous character flaws, Mississippi is seriously considering issuing an official state license plate in his honor.
    Hell, while they’re at it, Mississippi officials might as well crank out state license tags honoring Osama bin Laden or Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh.
    Forrest, a native of Tennessee, was an infamous Confederate general who is notorious for leading his rebels in a massacre of black Union soldiers. Upwards of 270 black federal troops were killed at Fort Pillow in the spring of 1864, most of them bayoneted, put to the sword, or shot after surrendering. Following the South’s defeat in the Civil War, Forrest continued to add to his ugly legacy by serving as a grand wizard of the Ku Klux Klan. As a matter of fact he is credited as being a founder of that terrorist organization.

    • Raymond Babcock

      for the way iam treated in america it is no wonder the kkk coming back just like the new black panther party no different

      • Norm

        Quit whining!

    • Dale on the left coast

      Norm . . . fast forward to the 20th century . . . wasn’t your buddy Senator Byrd and many of his southern Dimmicrap friends members of the modern-day KKK?
      You Norm rotate in a “Parallel Universe” . . . with your leader obummer . . the mystery-man!!!

      • Norm

        Dale on the left coast

        Senator(earmark) Byrd was no friend of mine!

      • mark

        Yes but the Racist Democrates such as Storm Thrumond, left the Democratic Party and became Republicans.

  • Ramon

    Get rid of him.

    In this time and era, we don’t have room to debate racial issues over and over again. Paying homage to a Klan leader? There’s no place for it, ever. And if you’re a taxpayer of Mississippi, you need to be raising hell about this. You don’t have to be into politics to understand just how pathetic this is. It’s bad enough Democrats have a former Klansman in office….

    • Raymond Babcock

      you are stupid no one can change history if we fail to understand history we are doomed to repeat the mistakes over and over agin so dont be stupid

  • Raymond Babcock

    when president gave the new black panther party a pass foe harrasing white voters at the polling place he gave the ku klux klan just what they wanted a stupid black man trying to talk down to stupid white guy this is by all accounts they dummiest -president i hope we ever have he makes me ill the office of president is not owned it is a job that you must put all of your bias aside or you will have riots in the streets i no white guys who have prayed for this type of president being black is just the icing on there cake of hate the bases are loaded two outs two stricks are you going to pray for four balls or are you going swing for the fence

  • Dogma-Free “The Trinity”

    “Barbour Refuses To Denounce Tribute To Former KKK Leader”

    hmmm…a typical Republican, showing his true colors (in that he is against people of color)…

    I’m trying to think of a polite way to say, ‘I told ya so’…

    Seriously though…this is *news* to some of you people…??

    • Raymond Babcock

      dont be stupid the truth is the truth this how war heroes are thought of no matter which side your on

    • Doug

      Gee is that why most black folks vote Democratic they might want to look at the history of the Democrate party they are the ones who are real racist. But then again you have to do some work and look up the history. And this Repub and Demorat thing is getting old why the politicians are laughing at how stupid we are to keep fighting over Dem and Reb why they all rob us blind and steal from our next 5 generations. You my friend is the ignorant one!

  • http://Yahoo Leonard W. Giddens Jr.

    Nobody says a word when the black panthers stand on the street in Phila. and shout they hate white folk, and demand that blacks kill their babies. Now people are up in arms about three letters.How stupid can we get.Symbolism can not harm you, it is time to let it go, let people celebrate what ever they want as long as it does not hurt you phyically. We as people of color will always be behind the 8 ball as long as we follow this nonesense that is kept up by people of color and whites that pander to blacks dum enough to continue to have slavary on the brain when these people don’t know one slave or slave owner alive to day. I remember when Dennys was Sambos resturant. The racist NAACP got that changed. What positive thing came from that? Nothing. zero, zipp, nada.While you worry about stupid things to raise he## about the world is passing you by. People from other Countries come here and take advantange of everything availabe and leave you in the dust, still talking about salavry, KKK,and a rebel flag that harms no one but the stupid.

    • Raymond Babcock

      thank you very much a comment worth reading

    • mark

      The Confederate Flag is a flag that represents TRAITORS AND LOSERS.

  • John Field Pankow

    Here’s a letter to the editor I wrote about General N. B. Forrest some years ago. Seems like it’s is an apt commentary here:


    In view of the recent editorial “The Manners of History” which appeared in your newspaper criticizing the erection of a monument to Confederate General Nathan Bedford Forrest in Selma, Alabama, I would like to refer you to two quotes made by famous men:

    Quote #1:

    “I will say, then, that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races — that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races from living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man, am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.”

    Quote #2:

    “I came here with the jeers of some white people, who think that I am doing wrong. I believe I can exert some influence, and do much to assist the people in strengthening fraternal relations, and shall do all in my power to elevate every man – to depress none. (Applause.) I want to elevate you to take positions in law offices, in stores, on farms, and wherever you are capable of going. I have not said anything about politics today. I don’t propose to say anything about politics. You have a right to elect whom you please; vote for the man you think best, and I think, when that is done, you and I are freemen. Do as you consider right and honest in electing men for office. I did not come here to make you a long speech, although invited to do so by you. I am not much of a speaker, and my business prevented me from preparing myself. I came to meet you as friends, and welcome you to the white people. I want you to come nearer to us. When I can serve you I will do so. We have but one flag, one country; let us stand together. We may differ in color, but not in sentiments. Many things have been said about me which are wrong, and which white and black persons here, who stood by me through the war, can contradict. Go to work, be industrious, live honestly and act truly,
    and when you are oppressed I’ll come to your relief.”

    It seems quite obvious to me that the first quote brands the speaker as a racist, unworthy of being memorialized. Wouldn’t you agree? The quote of the second speaker indicates that he sought to “strengthen fraternal relations” between whites and black, to “elevate every man and depress note.” He pledged to defend his audience (composed of blacks) from oppression. His remark “we may differ in color, but not in sentiment,” shows a remarkable idea of racial brotherhood given the time when the speech was made.

    The first statement was made by Abraham Lincoln. The second was made by Nathan Bedford Forrest. Before you rush to judgment, perhaps you should learn some FACTS first.

    John Field Pankow

    • http://Yahoo Leonard W. Giddens Jr.

      You still don’t get it and never will. What is impoertant is what is going on today and how it has effect on you making a living, not how you feel. The lies that you are being held back today because you are black is not the total truth. You have as much to do with not being given a lot of oppitunities as other people, many are not white, many are as black as you are. The difference is the attitude,the ability to work with other races,they want to be Americans,they are not blaiming whitey every time their lips are split, they don’t have the number of violent people we have, they show they can be trusted, I could go on forever. I have not seen one grocery store opened by any super market chain for blacks, if you will, nor a bank. The fore mentioned has been done for Mexicans in my area while blacks set on their rears complaining and protecting the scumbags of the hood by not talking to the fuzz.You let povity pimps run every elliment of your life.You think more of your herritage than blending in with all races, yet I have not seen any bank cash your herritage checks.90% of the problems are caused from within. Until you step outside that dumb way of thinking, you and your off springs will forever be dead last in every thing. My grama and spelling might be pooor, but I am not following your leads and are doing well just as my children are.

  • danE

    (Speak softly)Calm down, calm down, your at peace, you feel warm and relaxed…(repeat)
    We have to continue our massive brain washing techniques over and over again. Ok here it is.
    Robert Byrd is a good man, obama is the one, obama is not a muslim, obama is a goooooooooood man, gw is a bad, it’s ok for obama to steal your money, it’s ok for congress to steal your money, it’s ok for obama to lie, it’s ok for media to twist the truth to make it sound so sweet, shariah law is good and stoning adulterers is ok, don’t blame poor muslims who don’t like their daughters westernized, obama is a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN, he doesn’t have to show his bc because he is the one (many more lines the msm can give you upon your certain needs). It’s all going to be ok and no one is destroying America and we should all make sure the white man and his religion is gone from America, it’s ok to do that because the white man is the devil, and yes it is ok for illegals to flood the USA and take all you have. It’s ok. (repeat top caption).

    I fed my dogs, kept the safe and just one day out of the blue they chewed my leg off. (bad doggie, but I still love you)
    Invest in machete stock.

  • 10 X Shot

    As I read these posts and replies, one name stands out. This name is Raymond Babcock! I have no idea where this person is from, his race, or background. But I can say, with a high degree of confidence, that this person is either not schooled in the use of English grammar, or has completely forgotten what he learned, has almost ‘zero’ spelling skills, and with that said, more than likely, his reading skills parallel these other ‘skills’(sic)! If one wants to present their opinion/s on a blog, one should at least present them in some sort of literate form! To do anything less than this, is simply wasting both your time and the readers that it is directed to. Am I being critical here? Maybe so, but also only pointing out the obvious!

    • http://Yahoo Leonard W. Giddens Jr.

      That is the way of the LIBS., attack the messenger when the have no meaningfull rebuttal. I don’t spell, and my grama is very poor, but I have more common sense that a lot of people that has gone to YALE.You can fool some of the people some of the time, but not all the people all of the time.I don’t know what color he is either, but the man has common sense. He has gumpsion enough to know what white Libs are telling the blacks and any other race is 100% cow patty. Now I am a person of color that is not an Africian American or any of those other names that label my people by the likes of the NAACP and their off spring. The race name that was on my birth certificate in 1943, is what I still use, although it is band from being used in most Liberal media. All people of color are not stupid. Any people that continue to whine about slavary and trying to make everything decent people try to do in their on race, ie celebrating their heritage will forever do just that while the world passes them by because they focus on the wrong things.

      • 10 X Shot

        Leonard W. Giddens Jr.
        Perhaps you should look/read your very first statement! “That is the way of the LIBS., attack the messenger when the have no meaningfull rebuttal.”
        How, may I ask, you determined I was a LIB? I only commented and advised on how to communicate on a blog. Was I the messenger of this message? I believe I was! Was I attacked for bringing this message? I’ll let you determine that!

  • crystal

    At some point people need to bone up on their history. I’m a black woman and I even know that the KKK started out as a type of social club. Forest was one of the originators, but denounced the direction of violence the KKK had turned into and eventually left. I personally don’t know why any one would even consider honoring the KKK. Their history started out steeped in frat-boys turned violent turned almost non-existent (with the exception of a few who continue to bring back the group). What’s to honor?

  • Joe_k

    Senator Robert Byrd. a Democrat was a U.S. Representative from 1953 until 1959. After that, he served in the senate from 1959 to 2010. He was a past member of the KKK and also filibustered against the civil rights act of 1964. But, because he became a “good democrat” there were no calls for him to step down, no demands for him to apologize and most certainly no accusations of racism brought against him by the NAACP.

    I guess if you support the right issues, your personal life means nothing at the NAACP and if you support the wrong issues, nothing under the sun can keep you from being branded “RACIST” for even the silliest of reasons. General Forrest is a piece of American History, as is the Confederate flag. The only people who have a problem with recognition of such things are those who have a political gimme gimme gimme attitude.

    That would absolutely include the NAACP.

  • Raymond Babcock

    i dont hear any one saying any thing about the new black panther party terrising the polling place when white people are trying to vote it seems to me like the democrats want a racial fight for get what went on in the 1816 the black panthers are doing stupid stuff today

  • Raymond Babcock

    the ignorant democrats got nothing so they cry about what happened in 1816 or there abouts why are the democrats so evil and hatefull is it because there just hate full and thats all they got is hate

  • Raymond Babcock

    the is written seek and you will find look for hate and you will find hate look for love you will find love some one has to do the right thing i no god the blood of hes son jesus hied all of my sin draw nigh unto god while he is near

  • Dennis

    Wow.We have domestic terrorists in positions of power in Obummers government.People in government who are communist,socialist,hardliners and people are complaining about this?Talk about idiots.

  • Raymond Babcock

    i will denounce the kkk when the new black panther is denounced of coucer haley can not say this but i can because i do not care what any one thinks of me if you are a rascist hater it has nothing to with anyone except the racist hater

    • mark

      I really feel sorry for the built up hate in you!

  • 10 X Shot

    Political Correctness is defined as: A doctrine fostered by a delusional and illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media which holds forth the proposition that is it is entirely possible to pick a turd up by “the clean end”

    Over the years, this idea has been forced down the throats of the people of the United States! Small groups have grown into larger groups because their speakers/founders have found an audience in the main stream media. I believe that Jesse Jackson introduced the ‘Hyphenated American’ term. This has hastened the dividing of the Country. Instead of the people of this Country uniting and supporting what is good for all persons, it has made many groups that are only interested in advancing that groups status and well being. If any other group speaks up about another group, Racist or Bigot will surely become a response.
    Elected Officials will target groups (Hyphenated-Americans) for support and dole out the ‘Peoples Cash Cow’ in exchange for this support. Again, if there is any opposition to this, the person or persons that oppose it will surely be labeled a Racist, Bigot, or intolerant (a nice way of calling someone a bigot). This is why Governor Haley Barbour can not speak up for or against the simple making of a Mississippi license plate.
    Speaking up for ones belief or views, does not make them a Racist or Bigot, it is merely an opinion, whether you agree with it or not!
    The last time I checked, I believe that everyone in this Nation has the ‘Right’ to ‘Have’ and ‘Express’ their opinion without fear of reprisal!

  • Ridge Runner

    Norm have you ever looked a ignorant one way racist son of a bitch in fhe eye? If you haven’t then go look in a mirrow and then tell me what he looks like. ayou need to keep your mouth shut until you can learn how to talk about your peers.

    • http://Yahoo Leonard W. Giddens Jr.

      There isn’t anything racist about what he said. What he wrote are facts, I am sad to say. You called the man an SOB, you yourself needs to look in the mirror, you will see a stupid race card pusher. I for one am tired of stupid morons and that race stupidity. You are beating a dead horse.You can not call me racist SOB, but I am sure you have something stupid to say, go ahead, show your ignorance.You probly want get what I just told you.

  • chuckb


    couldn’t be said better.

    i believe there is factions in this country, ethnic groups that do not want to assimilate into society, but, want to rule from their perspective of their own race and culture. louis farrakhan’s black muslim brotherhood and the islamic movement inside this country.

    • 10 X Shot

      Thank You!

  • 10 X Shot

    As I have watched time progress in the 20th and 21st Century, I can not believe what has occurred. As a true student of History and one that believes that history does indeed repeat itself, I have foreboding thoughts of the path that our Country has taken.
    Our Elected Officials have adopted policies that our fore fathers fought the War of Independence for. Reading the Constitution and Bill of Rights will give you the reasons for this War. These papers spelled out what the Federal Government could do and also not do!
    The War between the States was fought because of infractions of what these papers stated. It is as simple as that. A State had certain guarantees written into these papers to ensure that the people living in these States would have the Rights that they had just fought for.
    These Rights were infringed upon by the Federal Government that was controlled by what is today called, ‘Special Interest Groups’ in the Northern States, thus the War.
    Today there are so many ‘Special Interest Groups’ you can’t keep track of them. Every Hyphenated-American group has a lobby in DC, every industry has a lobby, you name it and it has a lobby. These lobbies are not to enhance the well being of this Nations people, but is in place, only to advance the people that have hired these lobbyists. When Elected Officials Cow Tow to these groups and pass laws or hand out monies to only enhance the well being of a group, they are going against the reasons that this Nation was established.
    When the Nation was formed, it was formed from many different peoples. Like a pot of Vegetable Beef soup, each ingredient added an additional flavor to the overall soup. Each ingredient gained the flavor from the other ingredients, yet still retained its own unique flavor. Today, there are people that want to have many different soups within the same pot. You can have many soups made with just one or two ingredients, or you can have many ingredients, but you can’t have both within the same pot without dividing the pot (Country).
    I dislike the taste of spinach and choose not to have it in my vegetable soup! Does this mean, that because some lobbyist for the spinach industry in DC convinces our Elected Officials to pass a law that spinach must be in all vegetable soups or it is ‘Discrimitory or Racist’, and I have to eat that soup? Some people feel that this is correct and only right. If these people choose to have spinach in their soup, then so be it, but I will not stand to be called a ‘Racist or Bigot’ because I choose not to. If Mississippi chooses to honor a Confederate General with a license plate, or to celebrate the Civil War, it is their pot of soup and the Federal Government nor another State, or group has the right to say how Mississippi prepares their soup. If Ohio decided to honor General Sherman in the same way and a group from Georgia decided to protest it, I’m sure that Ohioans would tell them to keep their hands out of our soup. Of course the mainstream media would only choose to denounce Mississippi’s actions and not Ohio’s!
    By the Way, before anyone in the ‘Spinach Lobby’ labels me a ‘Racist or Bigot’, I enjoy spinach in a salad raw or wilted, I just don’t like it cooked and in soup!

    • mark

      No State or peron has the moral right to own a human being. Any-one that would defend the right to slavery is a racist and a very sinful person.

  • Hardtail

    I applaud you, Mr. Barbour! You bring to the forefront an inconvenient fact the special interest groups choose not to acknowledge: There is a huge difference between not liking something (a comment, action, thought, idea, tc.) and being offended by it, and our entire culture is imploding from our eagerness to cater to the whims of every special interest whiner to raise their voice. Erasing events from history books does not mean they did not happen, and refusing to acknowledge a man for his accomplishments because of hs beliefs is ignorance in its purest form.

  • The Quadfather

    Not to support the Klan, but there is a reason it came about. After the war, the yankees set up Union Leagues for the former slaves to join. The yankees instructed the slaves to hate their former masters and to commit violent acts against them. This they did, and when southerners sought justice from the occupation governments, there was none to be had. Thus, the former Confederate soldiers who were pretty much fearless, set up the secret society to correct the situation. The Klan that Forrest was part of was not the hate group you see today. It was more of a vigilante group, and Forrest used his influence as a Confederate general to shut it down when it started to get out of hand. Forrest contributed greatly to the southern war effort and deserves honor based on that alone, his Klan record not withstanding.

  • mark

    Hally Barbour is being what he is a Racist SOutherner that is still mad that the North kicked their ASS. Rebellions have consquences. The South lost and their leaders should have been hanged. If the USA would have assilmalated the Blacks into Society, we would not have a Racial Problem today, but the USA did not do that. The USA chose segragation instead and that set back equal treatment of blacks sinc then.


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