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Barack Obama’s Budget-Busting Whoppers

February 25, 2011 by  

Barack Obama’s Budget-Busting Whoppers

A friend of mine asked a question last month that stopped me cold in my tracks. I’ve been thinking about it and the implications of the choices he posed ever since. I thought I’d share it with you today.

Imagine that you’re sitting in your doctor’s office, waiting for him to return with the results of the extensive exam you’ve just completed. You’re glad it’s over, because they poked and prodded every body part they could reach — and took numerous images of those they couldn’t.

When the doctor enters the room, you can tell by his expression that the news won’t be good. And it isn’t.

“Cancer has spread so far throughout your body that there is nothing medical science can do,” he tells you. “I’m afraid you have less than six months to live. You’d better get your affairs in order.”

You’re stunned. For a moment you can’t think of anything to say. Finally, you blurt out, “But doctor, isn’t there anything — I mean anything, no matter how experimental — we can try?”

The doctor pauses for a moment and then says, “Well, yes, there is one thing we could do. I hesitate mentioning it, because the consequences can be pretty awful. But it will save your life.”

“What is it? What is it?” you shout. By now you’re desperate.

“Not many people know about this,” he says, “but there is a revolutionary new procedure that will actually transfer the cancer out of you. You’ll be 100 percent cured. Unfortunately, the cancer will instead attack your 8-year-old grandson. I’m sorry to tell you but he’ll be dead in two months.”

Here was my friend’s question: Given that choice, what would you do?

And then he asked a second one: But isn’t that exactly what we’re doing with our national debt? Instead of you paying it, haven’t you agreed to have it transferred to your children and your children’s children?

Under the arrangements your government has made, haven’t you saddled your offspring with debts that they will never be able to pay, even if they live a dozen lifetimes?

Thank you, Addison, for such a simple and stark way of describing the choices in front of us. As I said, I’ve been thinking about the gripping way you presented this ever since you sent it to me. It’s sure a lot more powerful than the analogy I used three weeks ago in my article about raising the debt ceiling.

The dilemma my friend presented is especially appropriate now, since just a few days ago President Barack Obama sent Congress his budget for the next fiscal year. Despite all the baloney you’ve heard in the media about how the White House has slashed Federal spending, don’t believe a word of it. That is — how can I be polite about it? — a bunch of balderdash. Here are the facts.

Our President has proposed total spending for the coming year of $3.73 trillion. Of that astronomical sum, he says taxes will raise a little over half; your government will borrow the other $1.6 trillion. If Obama gets his way — or anything even close to it — it will mean that our 44th President will have saddled this country with more debt than all 43 presidents who preceded him.

I’ve heard a lot of rumors about Obama’s “secret objectives.” Most of them I dismiss as utter bunk. But if one of them is bankrupting the country that has been so good to him, he has a chance to be the first President in our history to do it.

Let me state the facts another way: The President of the United States is asking his country to let him spend more than $300 billion a month. And to borrow $120 billion of that amount so he can dole it out to his favorite causes and constituencies.

What about the $10 trillion in debt he will have racked up by the time he leaves office? He’ll pass that on to your children’s children… and if necessary, their children, too.

And yet the lead story on CNN.com about Obama’s budget was headlined “Painful cuts in budget.” Somebody’s got a lot of gall here.

Oh, to be sure, there were some proposed reductions in Obama’s budget. And for some strange reason they were all designed to either sock it to the wealthy or to outrage the poor.

Programs to help the low-income people heat their homes in the winter? Gone. Funds to help local communities fix their failing water and sewage systems? Decimated. Deductions for the interest you pay on your mortgage? Wiped out. Deductions for gifts you give your favorite charities? Cut drastically.

I can just hear Obama telling his staff, “Those blasted voters want cuts? I’ll give them cuts. What else can we do that will make them mad as h**l?” But that’s probably unfair. I’m told that the man hardly ever curses, even when his wife tells him he’s not allowed to eat something or to put out that cigarette.

Looking ahead, Obama proposes total Federal spending of $46 trillion over the next decade, with tax collections paying for $39 trillion of it. Borrowing will account for the rest, with the debt ceiling having to be raised from its present limit of $14.3 trillion to a mind-numbing $26 trillion. Imagine what the interest alone will be on that obligation?

I’ve read several commentaries that question all of the rosy assumptions behind the President’s numbers. Coming anywhere close to Obama’s budget numbers would require no inflation, no recession, no new wars, much lower unemployment and much higher tax collections. Anyone (besides the White House) want to bet on that optimistic set of events? The President’s number-crunchers are counting on a much more robust economy than seems reasonable to many people.

I say, forget about who’s right. It doesn’t matter whether the gross domestic product grows by 2.5 percent or 4.4 percent. It doesn’t matter whether inflation stays around 2 percent or more than doubles from here (which I think is almost a certainty). Because the truth is, there is no way on God’s green earth that the House of Representatives will approve that much spending. Not a chance. It ain’t gonna happen. As the kids like to say, “Put a fork in it; it’s done.”

Oh, I’ll grant you, the House might approve a higher debt ceiling next month. Even some of the young Turks from the Tea Party might succumb to all the dastardly threats of what will happen if they don’t. Debt default! Economic collapse! Utter catastrophe!

I don’t believe a word of it. But more of them read The Washington Post and The New York Times than Straight Talk. So even the best and the brightest of them can be badly misinformed.

And something hardly anyone ever mentions: A Congressman is only as staunch as his staff. And unfortunately, there just aren’t enough smart, tough, battle-hardened conservatives looking for jobs on Capitol Hill. Many groups are trying to fill the gap — one of my all-time favorites is the Leadership Institute, which has done an almost miraculous job with its training programs. But there are a lot more compromisers than Constitutionalists on the payrolls of the new House members. Sad.

Mitch McConnell, the ranking Republican in the Senate, referred to the Obama budget as “an unserious document.” That’s a pretty mealy-mouthed way of saying it, sir. Readers of this column expect to hear it a lot straighter than that. So let me be as blunt as I can.

Obama’s proposed budget is a fraud. It’s a deceit. It’s a sham.

The President and his team know there is not a chance in a trillion this monstrosity will win Congressional approval. What they’re doing is playing a high-stakes game of chicken. “C’mon, Republicans, tell us what you propose. We dare ya. No, we double-dare ya.”

We’re about to find out, ladies and gentlemen, if the people who were elected this past November stick to their promises. I hope you’ll do your part to make sure your representative won’t knuckle under to the pressure, the lies and the media smears he or she is about to face. And if he needs a backbone, lend him yours.

Until next time, keep some powder dry.

–Chip Wood

Chip Wood

is the geopolitical editor of PersonalLiberty.com. He is the founder of Soundview Publications, in Atlanta, where he was also the host of an award-winning radio talk show for many years. He was the publisher of several bestselling books, including Crisis Investing by Doug Casey, None Dare Call It Conspiracy by Gary Allen and Larry Abraham and The War on Gold by Anthony Sutton. Chip is well known on the investment conference circuit where he has served as Master of Ceremonies for FreedomFest, The New Orleans Investment Conference, Sovereign Society, and The Atlanta Investment Conference.

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  • Vicki

    I would love to lend them some backbone. But alas all of mine are democrats. :( House and Senate.

    • Brad

      Vicki,

      I have to agree with you, so are mine, with one big exception my congressman is none other than Steny Hoyer. Both of my senators are rats and fall lock step in line with the rest of the rats.

      • WayneT

        Brad, Pennsylvania had Arlen Spector who was an Nobama Zombie, thank the Good Lord he is gone. We have another Zombie to get rid of, and that is Bob Casey. I hope we can get him out next.

        • Brad

          WayneT,

          Agreed, Spector was a turn coat, glad to see Pennsylvania had guts to get rid of him. Keep the pressure up on the rest of Pennsylvanian’s about Casey’s record he’ll be gone soon.

          • Suzanne

            I thought my new Congressman in PA, Pat Meehan was better than the last one (Joe Sestak) but in the end he isn’t really. We need more regular people running like my friend in TN tried to do. If you are interested, check out his site. There are so many good videos on the site: http://ladner4congress.com/

          • http://MSN.com RonaldL

            The Federal Reserve continues to play reckless games with the U.S. dollar. The price of oil is skyrocketing and the global price of food just hit a new record high. Food riots are already breaking out all over the world. Meanwhile, the rampant fraud and corruption going on in world financial markets is starting to be exposed and the whole house of cards could come crashing down at any time.

            Most Americans have no idea that a horrific economic collapse could happen at literally any time. There is no way that all of this debt and all of this financial corruption is sustainable. At some point we are going to reach a moment of “total system failure”.

          • Granny Mae

            I have a suggestion that could solve it all !!!! We could start back into the oil business with a passion and sell it to all the guys that are now getting it from the middle east and we could pay all our bills. I can’t believe they are worried about Libia cutting off all oil when we have more oil than most of the middle east. So why are we holding back? Somebody is working hard to bankrupt this country >

      • Lewis Munn

        Senators here are Dems also, and one a drunk.

    • Carl

      Hey Neighbor…Rainin out her in california…land of the Democrats…So many letters to representatives over the years only to be told what I think doesn’t matter no matter how many times I vote for someone else they are re-elected? Must be a majority of liberals here…or someone is cheating during the elections

      • WayneT

        My heart goes out to you Carl, and all the others who live in California. However, their vote effects the whole country so it is hurting all of us too.

      • Ruby

        Hey Carl. San Jose, CA here. I know how you feel. There are pockets of strong conservative-minded people. San Ramon comes to mind; however, not enough to swing the entire state.

        I think Californians are waking up. This last election showed that there are more conservatives than I imagined. Jerry won by a somewhat smaller margin than I thought he would. I still hope another Meg or Carly will arise and take California by storm.

        • JeffH

          Carl & Ruby, Fresno here. I spent a lot of time personally campaigning for Meg Whitman and especially Carly Fiorina. I’ve never been so dejected about Californians as I was after the elections. I really don’t believe we can fix the rampant progressive/socialistic mentality of the “majority” in this state. I’ve lived here my whole life and spent 59 years of it in the bay area. Even the central valley supported Jim Costa, a liberal Democratic cling-on, who’s done as much damage to the economy in the agriculture rich central valley as Boxer and Feinstein have.

          Fiorina would have been a tremedous asset to California’s legislative process as well as Whitman would have been as a business minded governor not beholding to the same public union money that supported Brown, Boxer and a host of other threatened incumbents.

          • Pat

            JeffH,
            I agree with you when you speak of having business leaders in office. I understand Donald Trump is considering running in 2012. I would want to hear more about his platform but I really liked him saying he would tax China 25% on goods brought into here.

          • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

            JeffH:

            You have my heartfelt sympothy. However, how could you pass up a resurection of Govenor Moonbeam? HA! I thik all the balding pot bellied fagot hippies are hoping he will once again be banging Ronstadt like a screen door in a hurricane in the Govenor’s Mansion. Long live the t0s, eh?

            Yea, I was dumbfounded when “you” people sent that goof -ball back to DC. Ya spose they thought the dummycraps were really going to hold all power in DC and bail out CA so they could just continue business as usual?

            I have made the suggestion that Illinois should post signs at its borders stating: “Welcome to Illinois. California on the Missippi”.

            Govenor Quinnocio was elected on a campaing to RAISE taxes and INCREASE spending….

          • Palin12

            Hi JeffH,
            I heard last week that Gov. Moonbeam wants to commute the sentences of all deathrow inmates to life in prison. ALL of them, even R.Ramirez. And here in Nevada, none other than Dirty Harry Reid addressed our state legislature to outlaw prostitution in our now legal brothels in the rural counties. After he made the announcement he paused for applause. What he got instead was total silence from Dems and GOP alike. So we have 14.8% unemployement and he wants to put 1,250 more people out of work. What’s he doing butting into state/county business anyway? As a matter of fact, Reid has said that his own mother used to wash bed linens for prostitutes in Searchlight.

          • JC in CA

            Ruby and JeffH, Im in Sacramento, moving up here from San Diego to start my family. I quickly learned and have coined the phrase…’The S#-t is closest near the Hole’ The furlough days were nice cuz the roads were free of all the ex-Davis/ex-kalifoniator zombies.

            This state is spiralling downward out of control and the rest of us have nothing to hold on to. So what my kids’ classes have risen in #’s from 20 to 32, I hold them responsible for their actions at and after school. Now we need to hold our state reps responsible to us by presenting a positive state budget that begins to address the REAL issues, including but not entirely the U.C. and the Dept. of Corrections systems. Actually, the Dept. of Corr. isn’t part of the budget…it is an entire monster in and of itself…housing more than 30% illegals from mexico and other foreign nations breaking the law after breaking into our country.

            I vote for a barrel of mexican crude per day per for every illegal that we continue to incarcerate here in our prisons. I vote for the removal and pay caps for prison doctors. It was in the Bee a while back that many, far too many, make over $400k…now really?

            Keep the pressure on your conservative reps, and don’t give up to persuade your dems in the capitol’s. Make them hear your concerns of fiscal responsibility.

            JC

          • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

            Howdy Palin12:

            “What’s he doing butting into state/county business anyway?”

            Living in NV, which as you know turned out a wonderful grandmother in favor ofDingy Harry, EVERYTHING is his business. One whore triying to put other whores out of business. HA! I guess you’re stuck for 6 more years.

          • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

            JC CA:

            You may be free of the zombies on furlow days, but you still have how many illegal bastards racing around the hyways. At least most of the idiot zombies have insurance.

            Mexican border? Shoot everything coming north.

          • http://Verizon Bud G.

            Jeff: I am from Florida. We have a system for voting where a person must have a voter registration card, proof of who they are and signature verification. It doesn’t stop all the illegal voting but it sure puts a damper into it.

            I don’t know what they have in California but I do know there were over one million illegal immigrants who voted for President Clinton. The results you got in the last election may the result of vote fraud like then. Look at Nevada. Reed stated he would use the illegal immigrant vote and also rigged the voting machines with his union thugs doing the dirty work. The polls before the election suggests he stole the election. He earns the nickname “Dirty Harry” and I am looking forward to 2012 when this clown becomes the minority leader of the Senate. Then, we will be able to undo a lot of bad legislation and get rid of the worst president in the history of the United States.
            You recall the vetting issue? My bet is President Obama won’t seek another term because of this as he won’t received a free pass this time.

          • Palin12

            BudG,
            You betcha the election here in Nevada was rigged. I don’t know ANYBODY that voted for Reid. Several people have stated they voted for Angle but the printout said Reid. Union thugs were telling the casino workers that they may not have a job if Reid lost. On the morning of the election, the latest poll from RealClearPolitics had Angle up by 3.8%. In one year’s time I only saw one pro-Reid bumper sticker; all the rest had “Dump Reid” stickers. Obummer came to Vegas to campaign for Dirty Harry telling us how much we needed him in DC. After the election it was a different story though, as we elected a Republican governor who pledged no new taxes, Reid said Nevada you’re on your own now, maybe you should reconsider your no new tax pledge.

      • http://MSN.com Linda R

        Please tell to Congress and Obama that we can’t afford all these crazy spending by Governments. Stop and cut our governments to minimal!!! All American should go on streets and shout clearly to stop all spending of the money we don’t have.

        • Pat

          Linda R,
          Congress needs to attend a Dave Ramsey seminar where he teaches people to “live on less than what you make”. We could take up a donation, purchase the tickets for them (couldn’t trust them with the money) and force them to attend and take notes. Yeah, right!

          • Granny Mae

            PAT,

            What an excellent idea ! I’m with you !

    • Jovianus

      OK…here’s a nice little excercise for everyone. What specific cuts would you do if the red marker were in your hand? Don’t cop out by saying ‘I’d do away with Dept. of Ed.’ etc. That’s a cop out and only good for a rant or two, and y’all know it.

      Specifics.

      I know I have made some proposals, and Eddi has as well. And y’all called us “communists” (when you’re being in a kind modd).

      So put it up folks. Specifics. You going to go after the military? Or how about not cutting some places, keeping revenue and reversing some of the sweet heart tax subsidies and cuts given to Big Business?

      Or are you going to be like every conservative out there these days and refuse to do the hard work and only rant about it knowing the reality (leaving it to the Dems to once again fix the mess the Conservatives placed us in)?

      • Robert

        The mess you refer to was a joint effort of both parties, and the Dems have never fixed anything. Only a fool would believe differently.

        • Bruce D.

          The Republicans have had their share of corruption. By trying to keep taxes lower, attempting to lower debt, and focusing more on the Constitution than we have seen in more than a hundred years they are at least for now trying to take a stand against government corruption. For democrats it is business as usual. Grab as much tax payer dollars as possible and redistribute it to who ever will promise them their vote. The bigger the government the more that corruption can be hidden from view. Big government and redistribution is a high priority of the left.

      • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

        Jovianus:

        Why not eliminate the Dept. of Education? It is a good place to start, and it is a worthless agency.

        Then eliminate the Dept. of Energy, Dept. of Homeland “Security”, the Ag. Dept. for starters. They all have enormous budgets and their elimination would save us billions.

        Eliminate ALL foreign aid other than Israel. The countries we borrow billions to send them hate us anyway.

        Close all overseas military bases. The war ended 65 years ago and it is time to pull out.

        Cut the White House budget by 50%. Defund the facsist czars. Cut the Secret Service by 50%. Eliminate all SS protection for all ex-presidents / spouses.

        Cut the congressional budget by 50%. Cut the pay for Reps, Senators, the president by 25%.

        Eliminate all federal pensions and put all of them, current and retired, on Social Securtiy.

        Eliminate all federal holidays other than Jan 1, Good Friday, May 30, July 4, Sept. 1, two days at Thanksgiving and two days at Christmas.

        Cut the budgets for any remaing agencies by 50%. Cut the IRS budget by 75%. (Institute the Fair Tax and ELIMINATE the IRS)

        There are many expenditures in the budget that we are not aware of and 99% of them can be eliminated as they are none of the federal government’s business.

        As a senator of old (Dirksen?) said: “A billion here and a billion there and pretty soon you’re looking at real money”.

        • Jovianus

          Nice specific cuts. C’mon…you’re copping out. Don’t use sweeping generalizations. That’s a cop out to a problem you don’t want to admit you can’t solve without going against the TPer rants and battle cry

          • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

            Don’t know about the “TPer rants”. I have been screaming about doing all of that for at least 30 years.

            They are pretty specific. I named several agencies. Their elimination would indeed save many billions. The ATF is another good place to use the ax. None of that is Washington’s business.

            Eliminating the remaing “bailouts” would also save billions. Sell GM and Chrysler back to the private sector along with the banks and insurance companies. That would bring in many billions to the Treasury.

            What do you suggest cutting, or eliminating? Or, do you think we need to expand on all of them?

          • Bruce D.

            You could start off by getting rid of all the fraud Obama said was in Medicare and why stop there. If there is that much fraud there is fraud in every department of government including the military. Make federal employees take the same social security program the rest of the population has and pay for their own health program like the rest of us. Freeze their pay until it is in line with the private sector. Get rid of all Obama czars and their underlings. Cut all foreign aid by 25%-people don’t like us anyway. If they complain get rid of all of it. If we need to police the world force Europe to do their part. Tax imports on China. Drill for oil so all our wealth does not leave the country. Build nuclear plants like France did with our technology. Make America business friendly again which at one time was the foundation of our success and power. Freeze most government hiring and streamline the government. If government does not work smarter there is no hope anyway. Don’t even think about cutting social security until the budget is balanced and all the insanity is out of government. Then and only then raise the working age one year. Enact similars laws as AZ wants to to reduce dependence on aid to illegals in this country. Just sealing the borders will save millions of dollars. Fine employers $12,500 for hiring illegals. Fine those taking illegal drugs $5,000 rather than jail time. Selling drugs 20 years with no parole. I could go on and on. It really isn’t all that hard. I do not want to hear anyone say that one million or ten million trimmed from the budget is not real money.

          • Granny Mae

            Old Henry,

            I agree with most everything you said, I would even go so far as to stop welfare for all undocumented aliens along with their foodstamps, education of their children, and no medical including no citizenship for babies born here. No more anchor babies ! I would do a sweeping investigation of all programs like SSI and eliminate the waste and the hangerson in those programs. I don’t believe that women should be able to continue to draw SSI for children of dead husbands after they remarry again especially if they have sued for the death of thet spouse and recieved a million dollars ! SSI for children should end at any time after that child has reached 18 years old. Any person receiving SSI and is able to work should work and no SSI for their children just because mommy or daddy is getting SSI. It becomes a way of life and makes everyone else responsible for taking care of them and their children and that is not fair to everyone else. People need to start being responsible for themselves, no more free loaders. Pass a law making it possible for extended families to go after dead beat dads and moms. It is usually the extended family that ends up taking care of the kids . The extended family would go after the dead beat parent a lot faster than the one with the custody of the kids. I have experienced that first hand, with a sister and with a son. I would have no problem going after the absent parent and putting their butts in jail at all. I could go on but this enough for now.

        • http://yahoo richard

          these are all cuts i can agree with

          • Jovianus

            Richard…what’s being cut? Sweeping generalizations are a cop out.

            For example…the il Depletion Aloowance. Cut it. Subsidies for Ag. Cut them. Mining leases based on 150 year old legilsation…raise them to market value. Military spending…15% cut. Tax subsidies to corporations shipping jobs overseas..eliminate. Do away with top tax bracket and replace with the next tier down. Workfare instead of welfare and unemployemnt contributions of labor when drawing it (and have the recipients do one day/week and cut state expenditures that way). Go after the employers who employ undocumented workers and make them pay up the taxes they avoided employing undocumented workers (with appropriate penalites). Raise gas tax 3 cents and toss that into oil free enrgy research and get us off the opil addiction (think of the costs savings with the military spending in fuel alone!). Do away with No Chold Left Behind and return education to the states. Implement the Puclic Option for Health Care.

            How’s that for specifics?

          • Bruce D.

            Jovianus I am surprised you said get rid of the top tax bracket. It is a good idea but it would be better to lower tax rates for corporations to keep them here and attract foreign ones in addition to eliminating any tax incentives for leaving. Reduce regulations especially on small businesses. Every thing you have said is worthy of consideration. I am sure their is a lot of fraud and waste in the military. Finding fraud is what made Hoover popular as a senator.

          • Bruce D.

            I like the idea of green energy. The only problem I have with green energy is that it needs to be subsidized as does most liberal programs. Not only subsidized but Green energy also relies on gas being kept artificially high by preventing free markets principles to work in oil exploration. Free markets are also suppressed in nuclear energy and health care.

          • Bruce D.

            The gas tax is specifically for highway infrastructure. I am against integrating that with the general budget. That is what got us into problems with social security. Basically they stole from society security to be able to afford higher pay and benefits for government employees. As soon as you start blurring the boundaries it encourages corruption. Corruption is our #1 problem in Washington and the redistribution of tax dollars to buy votes and power.

          • get right

            Bruce, you are aware that 2/3 of our corporations don’t pay taxes now aren’t you?? The tax rate has never been lower than in the past 10 yrs, and that didn’t stop them from leaving us high and dry. Your logic is flawed.

          • Bruce D.

            Get it right your facts are flawed. Our corporate rate is the second highest in the world and soon to become first when Japan drops theirs. You should know that. You are playing games and not a serious person.

        • Cathy

          You have it completely correct. I would like a copy of your post sent to Congress…yeah, right. Like they’d listen.

          I especially like the “close all the bases around the world.” Ron Paul is right on this one but no one listens. I’ve heard Republicans on Fox say that they “protect our interests.” How dumb are these people? If anything, it irritates the people in the countries where our bases are located.

          Hint: How many foreign bases are located on US soil? Duh…

        • terry

          may i add to your list How about getting to Pope to pick up the tab on all of these folks from south of our border, after all I do believe it is his flock we talking about here. not to mention the old boy has to be giving them the ok to flood the USA. Make the Pope and pay or get a handle on his flock. Sure would save the real citizens some $$$. Sounds go to me.

          • Mary Kay Andrews

            Terry, that’s the silliest thing I’ve seen on this site. Get real.

        • Warlord X

          With the exception of your leaving out ‘Veterans’ Day’, I agree. Even though I am one, I believe NO ONE in this country deserves the honor more.
          DE OPPRESSO LIBER

      • Brad

        Jovi(anus),

        First of all cut all spending the democrats have been in the red since 07 and yes both parties are to blame for the mess we are in today. How do you explain the 4 trillion in new debt Ohmama piled on in two year’s, so cut the pork no more earmarks, don’t raise the debt ceiling, cut Obamacare, reduce all departments to 2004 funding levels.
        How about foreign aid lets cut it all, we should be consintraiting on our own. Finaly balance the budgit, Jovianus what are your solutions you haven’t brought anything to the table, we are waiting on your responce.

        • Jovianus

          See above comment on copping out using sweeping generalizations and not facing reality.

          • WayneT

            Jovi, you just don’t understand it, do you. I think your lost in Dictator Nobama Administration. He has you hoodwinked.

          • Jovianus

            C’mon Wayne…I get it. You seemto be oblivious and want to rant about things you yourself will ot or cannot figure out. C’mon Sparky…step to the line.

          • eddie47d

            Jovianus; You came up with a good list and so did several others.Few will get eliminated on either side but they could use some deep cuts. Unfortunetly there are programs out there that need more money not less. TSA is another agency that has gotten out of hand and has become too intrusive. Our Representatives seldom know what to cut unless we inform them. Come up with facts and how much of an agency should be cut and WHY. You can’t just say cut or abolish the Dept. of Education or the Military but give solid reasons.

          • Bruce D.

            Any serious talk about reducing debt has to take into consideration eliminating Obamacare and replacing it with free market principles that were ignore by Obama in the first place. Obama has grown government by 20% in two years so cutting everything he did in the last two years is pretty specific.

          • Bruce D.

            Gaddafi stressed that Obama’s presidency is “a major historical gain” and said, “He is someone I consider a friend. He knows he is a son of Africa. Regardless of his African belonging, he is of Arab Sudanese descent, or of Muslim descent. He is a man whose policy should be supported, and he should be assisted in implementing it in any way possible.

        • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

          Brad!

          Dats a goodn! I laughed out loud. However, it seems to fly in the face of Barry’s memo on civil discourse…. Tisk, tisk, tisk.

      • barbm

        i’d get rid of the irs. all funding, from the cities to the feds, would come from taxes on goods. the wealthy buy more stuff and better, more expensive stuff, so they’d pay their fair share. i’d make all afdc parents go to work or lose their checks. i’d round up all the illegals and ship them home – it can be done, just look up operation wetback from the eisenhower era. i’d lower pell grants for junior colleges. i’d reform medicaid to stop ambulance and emergency room abuse. i’d cut salaries and bennies for all govt workers to bring them in line with the private sector. i’d stop the wars, bring the troops home, and station them every 10 feet across our entire border – north,south,east, west – and they’d be armed and ordered to shoot anything invading our country. i’d legalize drugs, tax them, and use half of the tax money to pay on the principle of our lonas and the other half to set up treatment centers. i’d stop giving heroin addicts methadone which is more addictive than heroin. i’d take the babies away from drug addicts until they were clean. i could write you a book, but that’s enough for now.

        • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

          Hey Barbm:

          Thanks for the lie vs lay yesterday.

          Also, just think of all the tax revenue from legalized drugs…. Put that in your pipe and smoke it. HA!

          • barbm

            i was a journalism major/english minor in college. it just drives me crazy to see the way people write and speak. i don’t mind the occasional typo of which i, too, am guilty, but to see the way people seem so uneducated is appalling. the one that bothers me most is the misuse of pronouns. he and i went to the store, but you went to the store for him and me not for he and i. when in doubt, seperate them. you went to the store for me or i/for him or he? what the hell are they teaching in schools these days? since so many folks learn to speak from watching tv, i don’t understand why the producers don’t spend a few bucks to hire an english teacher to proof read their scripts before they film the shows. lots of english teachers will be available soon.

          • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

            Barbm:

            I had a hunch you were involved in the area of English. We had phonics teachers in our day, but no more.

            Yes, I know what you are saying. I am constantly correcting my 27 year old son and my 6 year old grandaughter on double negatives. Don’t never, etc. I tell them it sounds ignorant, and it does.

            The misuse of their, there and they’re just drives me bonkers.

            Another one that seems to have cropped up in recent years in starting a sentence with the wrod but. AAAAARRRRRGGGGGGHHHH!

            You do not make typos. Your keyboard does it.

            Also, I thin the pronoun I is supposed to be capitalized as are words that start a sentence along with English Teacher. I thought you might be testing me….

          • Cathy

            barbm: My goodness. You minored in English? I guess that didn’t include capitalization? Sorry, old Henry, but it’s English teacher, not English Teacher. barbm: Proofread is ONE word, not two. You misspelled seperate, should be separate.

          • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

            Cathy:

            I think it should be English Teacher. The title English modifies the word Teacher, I think. It’s like when you use the word Dad in place of his name and dad when you are not referring to anyone specific. At least that is the way my fuzzy brain remembers it being drilled into my head by the phonics teacher. Or, is it Phonics Teacher? HA!

            Oh, barbm did NOT mis-spell those words and leave off the caps. Her keyboard did that.

          • JeffH

            Me thinks Cathy is a grammar cop? Ease up a bit Cathy, no one really care much ‘cepten U?

          • Cawmun Cents

            OH…she is one of those style over substance folks who would rather see something pretty than to look between the lines for substance.Hence her degree in Journalism.

      • http://yahoo.com Chas

        ..I LOVE how you Blue-shirted Liberal NAZIZ like making EXCEPTIONS to GOOD ideas: Dissolve EPA, AG, Ed, Energy as a START…. Then….. Issue a lottery for ALL leftover employees in EVERY dept: ODD numbers LEAVE, EVEN numbers STAY( including DIRECTORS); …..THEN……Give REAL performance evals on ALL those staying with REAL goals( like ALL of us in the REAL world who undergo REAL annual evals)….Novel CONCEPTS, huh?….You will DISCOVER that your life will NOT change ONE BIT….

        • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

          Aaah Chas:

          Check Little Barry’s memo on civil discourse….

          Me thinks Jovi(anus) is playing the devil’s advocate keeping the pot, after yesterday’s discussion so to speak, stirred….

      • MNIce

        OK, you’re on. Medicare was sold to the nation as a program to “lift the burden of medical care for elderly relatives from families.” It turns out that isn’t happening. Instead, Medicare repackages the medical bills as national debt and hands that to our children and grandchildren with interest. Medicare has added a tremendous paperwork burden to the medical business and driven up overhead costs, but it underpays the doctors, and after 40 years of experience the government still can’t keep from losing a large amount of money to fraud and waste. Medicare has not lived up to its promise. It’s a colossal failure. It’s time to phase it out.

        Before you start slandering me as heartless, notice I didn’t say “shut it down at noon,” I said, “Phase it out.” We’re stuck with making some provision for those receiving benefits from the existing setup, but we need to come up with better ideas very soon. (No, Obamacare isn’t the answer; it’s a mess of proven failures and some of the worst ideas ever collected by Congress. Example: “We think medical record-keeping costs too much. So we’ll confiscate everybody’s medical records and make the doctors go through a multi-billion dollar federal bureaucracy to get their patients’ information.”)

        • libertytrain

          I’ve been confused by the inability of Medicare to be done even remotely efficiently. What makes any one person anywhere figure Obamacare would be handled any better, if not worse. Doctors will be retiring in droves.

          • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

            Libertytrain:

            The people who think Obamacare would be more efficient are the same ones who were mentioned in yesterday’s disertations on illegal drgs. They function in an altered state of reality.

          • libertytrain

            Old Henry, plain as the nose on a face what will occur just in the management offices alone of obamacare.

          • get right

            Libertytrain, fraud is the reason. Just look at Florida. They put in a governor who was fined ONE BILLION, 700 MILLION FOR MEDICARE FRAUD!! While he was the owner of a medical company. $1,700,000,000.00 That’s alot of money that he paid in fines don’t you think?

          • libertytrain

            definitely, there’s just an overabundance of greed on the parts of those that want to steal, not work for the money, just steal. And that covers folks from “working the system” down at the bottom to those at the very very top.

        • barbm

          i think medicaid is in a worse mess than medicare. at least i worked and paid into the system for many, many years. the vast majoity of medicaid recipients have never worked a day in their lives. medicare comes with a premium that must be paid monthly, there’s an annual deductible, we pay part of the prescription costs, and we pay 20% of all doctor, hospital, lab, and x-rays including mammograms. medicaid is entirely free and covers 100% of all medical procedures and prescriptions. i know medicaid people who take ambulances to the emergency room for non-emergency services. ambulance is minimum $500 as is emergency room service. could take a bus at their own expense for $1.50 and go to a doctor instead of emergency for less than $100. medicare people can’t so that since we have to pay for part of it.

          • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

            Good points all.

            My grandad would take my dad and his brothers to the dentist and pay cash on the way out. As a kid our dentist would bill us and dad would send a check.

            Now days my dentist bills me and I make payments each month to get it paid off before the next appointment. I do the same thing with bills from the doctor after insurance pays its share. (There is another one: its vs it’s)

      • Ellen

        Old Henry made a good list that I’d like to add to: Reform welfare & gut HHS. We pay an enormous amount in taxes yet it’s never enough. Welfare has grown substantially over the past 10 years and we simply can’t afford to pay for people to lead irresponsible lives. If a woman can’t support herself because she dropped out of high school, why is she having 6 babies she can’t afford and won’t raise responsibly? Why are the fathers of these babies not held financially responsible (DNA proves paternity)? Why does Congress think taxpayers should fund this lifestyle? On the HHS topic, they finally started looking for fraud when Obamacare said all the ‘savings’ would go to Medicaid. Why is fraud discovered in Medicare not going back into Medicare? The FDA isn’t effective. Why are trans fats allowed in our food? Considering Medicaid is an enormous amount of our federal budget and it can be managed, it should be the first thing tackled.

        • barbm

          “Why are trans fats allowed in our food?” becaue the prices at restaurants would go so high you wouldn’t be able to eat out any more. olive and coconut oil are very expensive. also, those 2 oils have a very low burning point so are difficult to work with. but you can stp going out to eat and cook with healthy oils at home. that’s what we did.

          • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

            Barbm:

            You can afford to eat out? As they say on the south side of Daileyville: You be rich momma!

            Also, Jose the illegal alien cook ait’t mart nough to cook wit dem ools widou burnen em….

        • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

          Ellen:

          More very good Points! I overlooked them. Thank you for bringing them to the fore.

          I am assuming (I hate using that word) that your questions are rhetorical in nature. If not, I can splain it to you Lucy in 3,000 words or less…..

      • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

        Jovianus:

        Eliminate the agencies, and more, that I mentioned and your cuts are automatic. The agencies are gone, so are the subsidies, handouts, etc.

        No need to quibble over which subsidies to cut, or how much.

      • John the Libertarian

        O.K., Jovianus- here’s my cuts (guarantee they’ll hurt, but start us on the road we MUST take or we’ll ALL suffer, if we don’t) 1) close all federal departments not authorized by the constitution (as others herein have advocated); 2) sell ALL assets (read lands and buildings) currently occupied by ALL federal entities other than the capitol, white house and law enforcement activities; 3) cur ALL PRESENT AND FUTURE SOCIAL SECURITY BENEFITS by 1/3 [I speak as a "senior" within the year of "early retirement" with no home and 6 figures in the hole]; 4) exempt from cuts veteran benefits as those were promised to those who agreed to put their lives at risk to serve the nation (read government); 5) Cut ALL overseas bases and our military accordingly, leaving 6 carrier battle groups {3 for the East Coast & 3 for the left coast, hawaii & Alaska}; 6) maintain a sufficiently large defense industry to be able to protect the US adequately and ramp uppable in case of chinese attempts @ world domination ala Hitler 7) Pass a Balanced budget amendment WITH REAL TEETH… failing to do all of the above will just result in a financial collapse the likes of which the world has NEVER SEEN BEFORE… Thanks to the republicrats and demopublicans we are now in the midst of the largest debt bubble in the history of mankind with the financial disaster to follow of similar magnitude… for references, consult “Manias, Panics and Depressions” and “Aftershock”… I’m afraid we do not at present have leaders and statesmen with enough guts like Washington, Jefferson, Paine, Charles Carol (of Carroltown), Patrick Henry, or Henry Knox— and if you don’t know who they all were, THAT’S PART OF THE PROBLEM!!!

        • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

          Good ideas other than Social Security. That program is self-funding. Oh wait! The theiving bastards in DC have been raping it for 50 years!

          Let’s do some research and discover who voted for, or signed, any budget that spent excess SS funds. We will then arrest the ones still living, put them in jail, try them, convict them, execute them and confiscate everything they own. The proceeds will then be placed into the SS Trust Fund. Those that are dead could be dug up and hung just for fun. We can confiscate all they left behind and place it in the SS Trust Fund.

          Next we put ALL federal and state employees into SS. We then take all the money in their pension fund and place it into SS.

          • John the Libertarian

            OH: LOVE the idea of executing those who stole from the so called “trust fund”… some trust, eh?… been “contributing (yuk, yuk) involuntarily- for about 44 years now, and just when I’m supposed to “cpllect” it’s ready to go bust… but Old Henry, I’d GLADLY give up a third of it as I said in my post above if all the other cuts listed above, including the drastic ones in defense, if it would save my kids (and now 3 grandkids) from the unbelieveable financial collapse soon to befall us… just think about that for a minute… the greatest generation left us after WW2 as the greatest nation financially in the history of mankind, and then thru their (and our) misguided national profilgate spending, we have become the largest debtor nation in the history of mankind— SOME LEGACY TO DROP IN OUR KIDS AND GRANDKIDS LAP, isn’t it???

        • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

          John:

          If we close ALL overseas military bases I think that would be enough “cutting” in the defense budget.

          You wanna work the nightshift running the gallows on the Capital lawn? I got dibs on first shift as I ususally hit the hay about 8:00, or earlier depending the time of year.

          I would like a gallows similar to the one used in “Hang ‘em High” with Pat Hingle as the judge. Doing that many of the dirt-bag politicians at a time we should be able to whack em out in about six months….

      • JeffH

        Jovianus, you have done your homework…although very predictable results I might add.
        “A Marxist begins with his prime truth that all evils are caused by the exploitation of the proletariat by the capitalists. From this he logically proceeds to the revolution to end capitalism, then into the third stage of reorganization into a new social order of the dictatorship of the proletariat, and finally the last stage — the political paradise of communism.”

        “Radicals must be resilient, adaptable to shifting political circumstances, and sensitive enough to the process of action and reaction to avoid being trapped by their own tactics and forced to travel a road not of their choosing.”

        “And so the guided questioning goes on without anyone losing face or being left out of the decision-making. Every weakness of every proposed tactic is probed by questions…. Is this manipulation? Certainly….”

        “The job then is getting the people to move, to act, to participate; in short, to develop and harness the necessary power to effectively conflict with the prevailing patterns and change them. When those prominent in the status quo turn and label you an ‘agitator’ they are completely correct, for that is, in one word, your function—to agitate to the point of conflict.”

        • Michael J.

          JeffH,
          Nailed it again Jeff, I believe these cloned “useful idiots” mass produced in what used to be known as Universities have been implanted with a cranial Tape Worm when they volunteered for that psychedelic hallucinogenic drug study. Said Tape Worm injests common sense and then defecates socialistic propaganda.

          So engrained are they, that you can expect them to be still screaming for social justice and the like, even whilst they walk naked through the doors of the gas chamber.

      • Palin12

        I’d start by firing all of Michelle Obummer’s 21 personal assistants. Then I’d cut all politician’s salaries in half and cut all their perks out. They don’t need to be chauffered around in limos; let them drive their own cars like the rest of us. Cut all foreign aid except Israel. Make all employers use E-Verify and fire all the illegal aliens. All able-bodied US citizens on welfare given 3 months to take over the jobs from the illegals and then welfare cutoff permanently. Eliminate the Departments of Education and Labor. All government employees get pensions similar to the private sector. All death row inmates held for longer than 5 years executed immediately. No Secret Service protection for ex-presidents after they’ve been out of office for 4 years. Eliminate Obummer’s 16,000 new IRS agents that oversee Obummercare. How’s that for a start?

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Sounds like a damn good place to start to me!!!

    • Warrior

      So kids, today’s question is, How many business’s have Unions started to promote jobs? Drum Roll_____________Answer – NONE!

    • George

      Carl and Sander Levin. Debbie Stabenow. I feel like I bang my head against a wall. I disagree with them 100% of the time. 77K of us voted against Sander this time and he still won. How? Why do people keep voting for these folks. Our state is in the crapper and these folks put it there!? Their voting record is in lock step with Barry.

  • Vicki

    “Deductions for the interest you pay on your mortgage? Wiped out.”

    That ought to have a fun effect on what is left of the housing market.
    It will be good for big business though. Interest paid by a business that rents housing/apartments would remain deductible. It is after all a business expense.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      I was still able to deduct my mortgage interest this year. Its right there on the itemized deduction page of the 1040 tax form.

      • soldier

        wow…. just wow. You do realize that the taxes you do THIS YEAR are for LAST YEAR. So that by April 15, 2011, your taxes for 2010 are due.

        • JeffH

          soldier, duh! I mean Duh! Can you explain it once more so we all understand?

    • Brad

      Vicki,

      If that small portion of Ohmama’s budget survives the house it won’t fly only because there is a law on the books extending those tax breaks for two years. Basically Ohmama would be breaking his own law by reducing/eliminating the mortgage interest deduction and if you think about it this budgit proposal is for FY12. He could eliminate it by December 2012, by that time he will have lost his reelection bid and getting ready to move back to Chicago. Only time will tell and believe the house will cut it from Ohmama’s so called “OVER INFLATED BUDGIT”. Vicki keep your powder dry my friend, have a great day.

      • Stone

        I have a question. First i was told that my end of month check for Dec would be more because they would take less FICA tax out and the Bush tax cuts were extended. In Jan my check was less because of a change in the tax code. My Military retirement check is less and so is my Sacramento retirement check. So with the tax cut extension i’m make less. What gives.

        • Brad

          Stone,

          If I were you I’d be on the phone saking questions; currently my paycheck has gone up a little, and your right about military retired pay I haven’t seen a change in cola for two year’s. Check out mypay website log in to find out what’s going on with your check. Lastly I would get on the horn and find who handles retired pay for the city of Sacramento. My friend California is in a bad state of affairs and will take from you with out your consent, be careful and get your answers from the horses mouth!!!

      • Carl

        Basically Ohmama would be breaking his own law by reducing/eliminating the mortgage interest deduction and if you think about it this budgit proposal is for FY12.

        Maby he will give “waivers” to all the liberal cry babies…

        • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

          Carl:

          Since when did breaking the law matter the this lawless group? Obamacare has been declared by a federal judge and Barry is continuing to implement it.

          If you think about it, Obama just being in the White House is breaking the law, so a little thing like some silly tax deduction is nothing.

          • Jovianus

            A few judges have decided the health care reform law is unconstitutional. More have decided it is constitutional. Which of the groups of judges is correct?

            It’s a call for the SCOTUS to decide.

        • Jovianus

          Ummmm…as you guys keep constantly reminding us…it’s the HOUSE that sets forth the budget. Not the president. So….the GOP tackles the budget how? By imserting moral/religious preferences and attacking working Americans as well. Eve then, they won’t get down to specifics except if it’s abortion related..then it’s easy red meat to throw to the American Taliban contingent and something they know won’t get passed by the Senate in any event.

          Step to the line folks…what would you cut ?

          • Brad

            Jovianus,

            I see what it is now, you have no solutions to bring to the table, we need to fix the budgit to include our deficit. You are willing to sit back and let others do the work or you try to change the subject, well it isn’t going to work Jack. As you would say “step up to the line and provide solutions” if you can’t, tuck your tail between your legs and go home, let the adults deal with this problem.

          • LES

            There is the problem, if they make cuts they will not be reelected, The easy way to reelection is keep promising more to more people. It really is a self destructive system.

            In the 1700s it was said a Democracy cannot survive much more than 200 years as once the people learn they can vote themselves favors from the public treasury it will fail from fiscal collapse.

            We are living on borrowed time.

          • John the Libertarian

            see your above comment on what to cut— if we don’t we’re ALL going to hell in a hand basket anyway— and all your beloved socialist welfare fdr and lbj programs with it— we just don’t have the cash your dim lib komrades have promised all these years AND THE CHICKENS ARE COMING HOME TO ROOST!!!

          • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

            Les:

            Borrowed time, and borrowed money.

            Do you not think that the majority of Americans have finally wised up? Do you not think the November 2010 elections were evidence of the awakening?

            Those elections were not just DC oriented. They went completely thru the syetem, right down to “dog catcher”.

          • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

            John the Libertarian:

            As Maggie Thacher the Iron Lady stated:

            Socialism works great until you run out of ther people’s money.

          • Vicki

            Jovianus says:
            “Ummmm…as you guys keep constantly reminding us…it’s the HOUSE that sets forth the budget. Not the president.”

            Oh look who just woke up. Now that it really IS Obama’s fault you want him to continue to pass the buck? I think he does that well enough without your help.

            We are talking about the PROPOSED Budget. That would be Obama’s baby.

            If the Republicans actually pass the thing we will start in on them.

          • Jovianus

            Y’know…for one of the few times I’
            ve watched and read this board, there are some relevant, sane and doable suggestions made. I made my suggestions in an earlier post (as well as earlier threads). it appears we do have some similarties…military needs cutting. We appear to agree that welfare needs reform (one day/week workfare to help reduce state finacial burdens?), I stated something about unemployment needing a day’s contribution of work to help ease that cost…

            I stated I’d look at cutting tax subisidies to oil and Big Ag, reform mineral leases, and look at taking away the special top tax brackets recently passed in December.

            Then there are the cop outs who just say ‘cut out X agency etc…without looking at what programs would be cut and not realizing the massive disruption to the system and impossibility of making that drastic, unwise decision.

            But…heck, so far we’ve found some common ground. There is hope !

    • get right

      Vicki, that’s what the repubs want, not the dems. Repubs, want you uneducated and poor, with your help that is exactly what will happen.

      • vicki

        Proof by bald assertion. Come back when you have a cite.

  • JeffH

    I subscribed to Boehner’s e-mail updates and I e-mail him directly to voice my opinions. I reminded him that he is “our” employee and I expect no compromises with the budget.
    http://www.speaker.gov/contact/

    • JeffH

      I also subscribed to McConnell’s eNews and sent him emails to remind him who he works for and what is expected of him.
      http://mcconnell.senate.gov/public/

    • Brad

      JeffH,

      I have tried that with my congressman and two senators, the responce I get back from them they are supporting the far left agenda and nothing else. I live in Maryland a socialist strong hold just like California. Good luck with McKonnell and Boehner.

      • WayneT

        Brad, that means you have a state full of Socialist and Communist to deal with. When the majority of people support this kind of government we have now, we are doomed for failure in the near future.

        • Brad

          WayneT,

          Maryland representatives we have 8 of that 2 are republican the rest are rats and of course our 2 senators are rats also. The MAryland state legislature is 3/4 percent rat controlled so when it comes down to a balanced form of government we don’t have one here in my state. It’s either there way or the highway. Guess what this state is already one billion in the red since O’Malley was elected in 06, Erhlick our last republican gov gave the state a surplus when he lost his reelection bid, wish I had the money to move. Alas I can’t, I’m under water with my mortgage and home prices continue to fall in my neck of the woods.

          • Al Sieber

            It doesn’t matter if they are Republican or Democrat, if they don’t follow the Constitution they are all “RATS”.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Brad,
            I guess I’m one of the lucky ones. We bought our house twenty years ago for less than it was worth. We added a three story (including basement) addition about ten years ago and the place now is worth about 60 thou more than we have invested. If the property values ever go back up, we would be sitting real good! I did almost all the work so we saved a bundle on it!

      • barbm

        in texas, we have a majority of rep state leaders, but on the local level, it’s all hispanic dems. i have cornyn and hutchison (2 rinos) and charlie gonzalez (gag). anybody know what they did with all that stimulus money? last i heard, when questioned about it, all the fed reserve answers were i don’t know.

      • JeffH

        Brad, my Congressman here in the central valley of California is (R)Devin Nunes…he’s one of the few good guys here in California. I am sending him emails several times a month through DownsizeDC.org and NumbersUSA.com. I constantly send both Boxer and Feinstein regular messages…and I also make sure to include that they both deserve to be fired for the damages to California that they’ve been a part of.

        • Brad

          JeffH,

          Glad you have some form of representation. Last years election proved one thing, Steny Hoyer can’t be beat; out of five counties he represents it took only one to reelect him to his seat, that’s how bad we have it in SoMD

        • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

          JeffH:

          Fired? AS evidenced by Last November’s election results out there it does not look to be in the cards.

          Maybe if we legalized illegal drugs all those idiots who seem to have the need to be stupis over and over will over-dose and leave the intlligent to vote.

          Oh, LONG LIVE GOVENOR MOONBEAM!!! HA! Let’s see if he starts pokin Ronstadt again. (We have the “technology”

    • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

      JeffH:

      Thank you so much for posting that link! I immediately went there, subscribed and sent Boehner an email reminding him of what the voters said in November.

      • JeffH

        Old Henry, your more than welcome. Never give up and keep as much of an edge on their actions as you can…and let them know what’s on your mind.

        • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

          JeffH:

          I am almost 61 and have been a contrary SOB for at least 55 of them. You have heard of the anti-Christ? I am the anti-PC.

          I remember a picture a fella had at his work station where I worked. It had a pelican with a frog in its beak and the frog had his front “hands” wrapped around the pelican’s throat. Beneath the picture it read: “Never give up”. I wish I had borrowed it to make a copy.

          As Ben Franklin has been quoted: “We must all hang together or we shall surely hang separately”.

          • JeffH

            Old Henry, I’m a ’49′er myself…1st generation California native son for my family.

        • Al Sieber

          Jeffh, thanks for the link also, Old Henry I’m a 49er too.

          • JeffH

            Right on Al.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Al,
            thought of you today! My father in law had a re-enactment of a story of a lady, her boyfriend and her two kids stranded in the arizona desert on TV today. they told how the night belonged to the drug and human trafficers. 115 to 118 degrees during the day, man what a paradise!!! NOT!! Although with a foot of snow here and 34* it doesn’t really sound that bad!! LOL!

          • Al Sieber

            Joe, that’s how it is. in the summer it gets around 115- 120 degrees but that’s along the Colorado River in the valley, I live in the mountains and it gets around 100 but we have a good breeze all the time. if you’re out in the desert you better be armed and take turns sleeping or you’ll be surrounded by illegals before you know it, and don’t have a camp fire, I found out the hard way, they’ll see it and sneak over, and that was in 1987, now it’s 20 times worse.

      • barbm

        so did i!! :)

  • s c

    Believe it or not, we have people in America who don’t care what happens. All they need in life is someone to follow. They “reason” that if something goes wrong, THAT individual will be to blame.
    Of course, it’s a matter of galloping denial on steroids, but then SOME people will believe ANYTHING as long as it’s been packaged properly.
    SOME among us think that as long as their fearless leader acts like he’s not afraid of anything, then they have “nothing to fear” (sound familiar from somewhere in recent American history?).
    Like it or not, America is on a path that demands that future generations pay for our stupidity. It took many politicians and many “voters” for this to happen, but it DID happen. SOME people refuse to look into a mirror. SOME people have no conscience.
    You could say that SOME people can deny ANYTHING. Let them deny the FACT that they don’t deserve to be called human. Any people who enslave future generations and not have no remorse are NOT human.
    SOME people love to redistribute misery. SOME people will say and do ANYTHING until it blows up in their faces.
    After all, their leaders wouldn’t LIE (would they?). Why, it CAN’T happen here. Why, God is on our side, and HE wouldn’t let anything bad happen to us (would He?). Sleep well, America. It’s the one thing you’re GOOD at.

    • TIME

      SC, Great Post dude!

    • WayneT

      sc, I wonder if it is folks who are just plain stupid, naive, or are they fully aware what they are doing? Just like I previously made a post on before, folks are fighting, and dying, in other countries to try to get out from under their dictators and and their are still people still supporting Dictator Nobama who has started picking, and choosing which Federal Laws that he wants enforced. Let’s see if Congress has the guts to stand up to this little Hitler.

      • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

        Waaaaayne!:

        That may be a borderline violation of Little Barry’s memo on civil discourse…. And I fully agree with you by the way.

      • skip

        If you want a Hitler, just go to Wisconsin and take a look at Governor Walker. He is a carbon copy, and a liar and evader of responsibility on top of it. From reviewing these blogs, it seems most of you are middle class. Are you trying to slit your own throats? Try getting health insurance when YOU get leukemia, or perhaps even a bunion! Try flying from LA to Baltimore without the FAA! Decide what to fund and what to cut. It sounds like a lot of you would eliminate traffic lights and paved roads.

        • JeffH

          skippy, wah wah, wah! You want some cheese to go with that “whine”?

          • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

            JeffH:

            That was great! I laughed out loud for the second time today?

            Maybe ol’ Skippy is a farmer. They all have whine cellars. That is a family joke among a family of farmers.

        • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

          Skippy my boy, it sounds like you are one of those deadbeat teachers lieing about being sick and using fraudulent sick slips which were probably filled out by fraudulent SEIU doctors.

          Govenor Walker is doing what he was elected to do: balance the budget and get the spending UNDER CONTROL. And no, I do not live in WI. The SEIU goons have been sucking at the public teat too long. There are middle class people making $55,000 and less per year paying those exorbitant benefits for SEIU zombies making $100,000 plus.

          You people are continually screamign that the rich need to pay more. Here is your chance to put your money where your mouth is.

          ObamaCare would simply give you a pain pill if you got luekemia.

        • Al Sieber

          Skip, I’ve never worked where there was a union, but it sounds like the “Workers Party”, I live in Arizona which is a right to work state, I don’t like them forcing non- union companies to hire them while they stand around with their thumb up their a$$. a friend of mine told me they do this I don’t know.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          skip,
          Trying to slit my throat??? I did that three times when I SUPPORTED a union!!! All three times the union caused the second shift, myself included to be laid off!! Now supporting a union, THAT would be slitting my throat!!!

          • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

            Joe H:

            I worked for a non-union company for 32 years and kept my job(s) by DOING my job(s). I have never belonged to a union.

            We had a VERY union steel mill in the area and I personally knew some of the employees, or their off-spring. The bragging about their new raises for less work after each new contract was amazing.

        • John the Libertarian

          skip— WAKE UP AND SMELL THE DANDELIONS, dude… you have NO CONCEPTION of the financial collapse we’re heading into when the brenanke & geitner musical chair (read funny money) game finally reaches it’s fruition… try reading a little financial history and what happened in weimar germany when the funny money got way out of hand… how does getting paid 3 times a day because the money lost it’s value that quickly sound to you? or how about a wheel barrow full of dollars (no doubt with 6 zeroes after each bill) sound to you? When the money was literally WORTH LESS than the paper it took to print it, they used german ingenuity to print smaller (using LESS paper) stamps that were affixed to the underlying WORTHLESS marks to increase its nominal value… of course, as such craziness proceeded, commerce naturally came to a halt, and the freicorps (rightists) and communists started shooting each other in the streets… it got so bad women were selling themselves into prostitution just to eat… or you could just look @ zimbabwe today and their hyperinflation… that’s where we’re headed

          • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

            John the Libertarian:

            And we all know who the Weimer collapse brought to power. That is exactly what Little Barry is positioning himself and the “necessary pieces” to do.

            And we are stuck with IDIOTS like Huckabey and Boehner who say that the fascist Kenyan is a natural born citizen.

          • Al Sieber

            John, I hear you, I read a few books on that, and a friend of mine immigrated from Germany a few years after WW11 and father told me about hyperinflation in the very early 1920′s and I know what you mean, we’re headed there right now, with Bernanke steering the ship.

    • John the Libertarian

      Thanks, sc for tellin’ it like it is

    • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

      S C:

      5:23 am? Did you over-sleep?

      VEry well said SC, especially the last line.

      We now have a new twist of FDR: “There is nothing to feeear, but Obama itself”.

  • http://www.diyyardandhome.com Dan

    “I’ve heard a lot of rumors about Obama’s “secret objectives.” Most of them I dismiss as utter bunk. But if one of them is bankrupting the country that has been so good to him, he has a chance to be the first President in our history to do it.”

    There is no “secret agenda”. Obama has stated his objective from the beginning. To transform the US and share the wealth and make us more progressive. Then we look to who he surrounds himself with and who are his advisers and czars. Socialists and communists and what are their objectives.

    • WayneT

      Dan, I give up on the idiots who support Nobama’s, Agenda. I think they are a mixture of Communist, Socialist, and maybe a mixture of both who needs a dictator to lead them and to care for them. People in Libya, Eqypt, Yemen and these other countries are fighting their dictators trying to free themselves, and the Nobama supporters want to live under the same conditions those people are fighting to get out from underneath of this wrath of their dictators. I would like to have a logical minded person explain this to me. I don’t think it is possible.

      • Ellen

        Let’s also throw in ignorant, uneducated & naive. Obama’s main constituents are blacks (49% drop out of high school), Hispanics (45% drop out of high school), unions (very few higher education people)and college students (naive). This explains why most of them believe everything he says. Blacks are far worse off since welfare was instituted. Immigrants are now disliked everywhere because of their negative impact. Unions are poorly viewed because they drive up costs. Obama is inciting a class war where the payers in society resent the non-payers (rather than pitying them) and the non-payers resent the payers (think they are greedy and heartless). So much for hope & change and unity. Now it’s divided hatred.

        • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

          Well Ellen, he has managed to institute the change he hoped for.

        • JeffH

          Ellen, there no reason to bring race into the discussion. An idiot is an idiot no matter what the international origin, race or gender.

          • Ellen

            I’m sorry if I offended you. I feel Obama exploits the uneducated by making them feel he’s out for their best interest.

          • JeffH

            Ellen, exploitation of the classes is what they(Marxist/socialist/communist) do best.

          • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

            Jeff H:

            Ellen is simply stating the facts without all the PC Crap that too many people have swallowed.

    • home boy

      you are correct dan. he said in his campaign he would fundamentally change this country. funny thing is noone knew what that meant and noone question him about it. now we know. i just find it amazing that we live in a country where with all of our freedoms a guy like this cannot be stopped except by voting and that’s 2 years away. that’s a lot of time to do damage. if you are not going to hold people accountable then you deserve what you get.

    • Bruce D.

      Nicely put. I think you are one up on Chip with that one.

      • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

        BruceD:

        I thought as I read Chip’s article that he put that comment in to help get things “going” here in the blog. He really cannot be that stupid, can he?

        • Bruce D.

          I assume Chip understands what is going on but is trying to appear reasonable to those who do not get it. But he did make the case for not really believing in the extent of Obama’s aggressive direction to the left. Something Obama also tried to do on the O’rielly Factor interview. Obama’s gift is to appears reasonable when he is anything but. That being said I thought Chip’s article was a good one.

  • Warrior

    Debt ceiling is a fascinating issue. I wonder how the credit card companies approach the issue with their customer? Do the board members sit around in a smoke filled board room and vote to raise individual’s card limits? What measuring stick do you think they use? What?? Ability to repay? Preposterous I say!

    • Carlucci

      Very interesting question. I’m sure everyone on the list knows that the banks and credit card companies are the responsible parties for the changes to the bankruptcy laws in 2005.

      What everyone may not know is that these vultures also own “services” like Consumer Credit Counseling. Did you know that when someone defaults on a credit card, three months later the debt is SOLD to a collection agency? Right before this happens, the bank or credit card company files a claim to collect insurance for the amount owed (every credit card issued is insured). Essentially they are paid what is owed on the card by their insurance company, and then make extra money on the deal when they sell the debt to a collection agency. The collection agency then commits fraud by representing to the consumer that they are collecting the debt for the bank or credit card company. The good news is that the consumer’s “contract” with the credit card company ended once the debt was sold.

      How do I know this? I used to work in the collection industry, and then worked in the “debt forgiveness” industry. This info is also in the Fair Debt Collections and Practices Act of 1973.

      • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

        Carlucci:

        Facinating! I have never had bad debts myself so I am a “babe in the woods” from that standpoint. Hopefully I will never get into that position, but Little Barry working so furiously who knows?

  • WayneT

    How are we going to convince those thick headed Obama backers that he is ruining our country right before their eyes and they are too stupid to see it. Obama now says he will not enforce a 1996 Law that was duly passed by Congress, which was signed into law by a Democratic President, Bill Clinton, concerning gay marriages. This is a president who is now picking and choosing which laws he wants enforced. Doesn’t this sound like a dictator to you? Will the people continue voting for this dictator? What will he disregard next, the US Constitution? All I have to say folks let’s make sure this dictator Muslim gets his just dues in 2012. Will the same folks who were confused before, who voted for him see what they have done before 2012. I certainly hope so.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      He is gathering voters from all over. First, he bought millions of votes by giving GM and Chrysler billions of our dollars, to ensure future votes from the UAW, even though the democrats constantly are shipping these union jobs overseas, and the dummies keep voting for them. Then he is allowing illegal immigration and is even fighting Arizona trying to stop it, so he can get some more hispanic votes. To which I say, shame on each and everyone of you hispanics who condone those illegally entering this country, giving all of you a bad name. Shame on those of you who harbor them. Its a crime. Then he is polly coddling to the muslims, to gather their votes. Remember when it was frowned on during the cold war to be a communist sympathizer, and rightfully so? Now our very president, is a muslim sypathizer, in bed with those who have vowed to kill us and exterminate us from the earth. And he condones this with his actions. Shame on him. And shame on those who call themselves American’s, and turn a blind eye and accept this anti American behavior and support and vote for such a leper. Shame on them is all I can say.

      • Angel

        GM just posted $4.7 billion in profit for 2010. How much do we get?

        • Brad

          Daryl,

          We get nothing GM has been exempted from paying taxes on said profits, go figure.

          • Warrior

            Ah yes, GM got a “special deal” whereas they get to carry losses forward after they were declared “Bankrupt” to offset gains. Go figure.

            Winners and losers, winners and losers! If you support the “regime” guess who joins in the winners circle?

      • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

        Beberoni:

        Great post. That was heartfelt, and it showed. You are dead on my good man.

        How bloody do you think it will get in 2016 when he either cancels the election, or simply runs again?

    • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

      Hey Wayne T:

      Der Fuhrer is a CHCAGO POLITICIAN. His MO is in that mold.

      Dats da way dey do tings in Chi Ca Go.

      Innore the constitution next? You are kidding, right? He has done nothing but ignore our constitution. As a matter of fact his being IN the People’s House is ignoring our constitution.

  • http://www.carefreepools.com John Bently

    So when the “End of America” comes, hunker down with plenty of old silver coins, dried and canned food, your gun and some ammunition, and be preparred to defend your home against the mob. I expect hyperinflation to start in the next year or two. Good luck to all !!!

    • soldier

      When the crap hits the fan, our lives are in the hands of police and military. All the preparation in the world means nothing next to Apache helicopters, M1A1 tanks, depleted uranium rounds, etc. Our own military will either enforce a terrible dictatorship over us or give us a chance at some freedom.

      • Al Sieber

        Our own military can’t even win in Afghanistan, we’ve been there almost 10 years and those people are using antiquated weapons. they’ll use foreign troops against us, who have no mercy, not our own troops. and probably XE, formally known as Black Water who didn’t take a oath to the Constitution.

        • Al Sieber

          Also, you don’t have to worry about the police, there isn’t enough of them, they’re out gunned, at least where I live.

        • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

          Al:

          Georgie W set the foreign troops senerio in place in 2005, March I believe, when he signed atreaty, by Executive Order, with the Mexs and Canadians to allow them to send troops into our country to “Quell unrest”.

          Bush was as big a traitor as Obama.

          We have not won in Afganistan because like Nmm the morons in DC are directing the war.

          • Al Sieber

            Henry, I know, there were Mexican troops in New Orleans after hurricane Katrina. and I see military convoys out here in Ariz. that are unmarked.

      • John the Libertarian

        Soldier, there are ways to overcome such technological advantages— and please remember where they come from and where they get their support— FROM US— a people (if enough of them) determined to throw off the shackles of oppression CANNOT be defeated, if PERSISTENT— remember the lessons of our revolution, vietnam and the defeat of the russians in afghanistan

        • http://?? Joe H.

          John,
          Look at the german people during our war with them. the ones that knew what hitler was doing was wrong were even sabotaging the weapons comming off the line!! you think our people won’t do the same thing?? Let them kill somebodys child or parent and watch what they do!!

          • John the Libertarian

            Yes, Joe, and there are many other ways to gum up the works, limited only by the imagination of those willing to “belly up to the bar”… nuf said ;-)

          • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

            Joe H:

            Were those Germans doing the sabotage unionized?

            Remember, Obama owns the unions.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Old Henry,
            I don’t think that will matter if they start killing their family members!!! Be assured, somebody kills one of my family, I WILL see them again!!!

    • John the Libertarian

      Good advice, John… it will be tragic when it finally comes to that, but come to that it will, because we have no true STATESMEN with the guts to lead us— just pass it on to our kids is their mantra— never mind that it will blow up first…

    • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

      Mr. Bentley:

      When I try to splain it to them Lucy they think I am nuts and they look around for my tin foil hat. I tell them that one day they will hear an absolutely resounding POP, suddenly see a bliningly bright light. They look at me like what the h*ll are you talking about. I then tell them that will be the moment in time when they pull their head out of their a$$. I shake my head and walk away.

      We have been stock piling for several months now. The wife thought I was crazier than usual, but has come around.

      This “prepping” is not complicated, but is rather complex. I just hope there is enough time to get it completed.

  • sandi

    You won’t need gold or silver, they will not have any value. You will need water (this will be a new currency) food/seeds and ammunition/guns to protect your family, land and food. When you see the chaos in other parts of the world do you really think the average joe on the street is concered about the price of gold/silver? They need security, water food …. think about Maslow…..

    • Lastmanstanding

      Sandi, you are right about the food,water, guns, etc.

      However, precious metals have had value forever. Those who have read history know this. Granted, you can’t eat them but you can barter them as well. There will be someone who has no gold or silver. Perhaps he/she has an excess of beef, pigs, chicken, wheat, ammo, blankets, wood, etc. He/she knows someone that will take that silver/gold for an item that they need. Follow me? We don’t all think the same. If there ever was a time to think outside the box, it’s now.

      • Al Sieber

        Good post Lastman, excellent point.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    And whats sad about this leper in the white house, is that pefect examples of how to save money and cut costs are there being played out right in front of him, and he is against it, and even spends money mobilizing people and lawyers to fight it. First was Arizona taking a stand against illegal immigration, because frankly, they just cant afford it anymore. It is the federal governments job, and they wont do anything about it, and it costs this nation billions of dollars. Instead, the Obama administration spends money sending people down there to protest, and to pay lawyers to fight it. Are you kidding me. That is just plain stupid and irresponsible. Then, Wisconsin has taken steps to balance their budget, and not only that, but to keep all the teachers working. But the unions want none of it, as they want to force more people to give them more money, so that they can buy more democrats who will pass laws that give them exemptions and they get their money back, from us tax payers, and we all get to fund their health care because they dont want to have to pay for anything, unlike the rest of us who pay our premiums. Obama has gathered people and bussed them up there, instead of learning how to balance a budget, he is spending money and interfering where he doesnt belong, and should be working on balancing his own budget, but he doesnt care. It seems he and Michelle figure its just an open check book, and they are going to fleece us all for all they can get before they are booted out. What a shame. At this point, Im wondering if they will try to steal the furniture like the Clintons did? I can see Michelle stealing old White House heirlooms, because she knows they are worth money. Think Im kidding, you watch and see. It might take awhile, but eventually it will all come out. I guarantee it.

    • Bruce D.

      Good points on AZ and Wisconsin. It is not bad enough he is doing a poor job but is also trying to force others into failure.

    • JIBBS

      For labamba, it’s fun and glorious to campaign and rally people, but it’s hard and no fun to govern, he’ll let his “friends” do that part of the job. I think he thought it would be fun and easy to be the first black man in the Whitehouse. How long was he in the senate ?, about as long as basic training is for our Military. Then he decided that, like Jethro (Beverly Hillbllies) he wanted to be a four star General. He may be “Higher Educated”, but I think he paid someone to do his homework and bought the answears to the final exams. I don’t really think you have to be a rocket scientist to be elected to any office, you just need to think about what is right or wrong, and what fits in the buget and what doe’sentalong whith what you can afford and what is a waste of money and time. If it sounds to good to be true, ………. Well, you get it ! Don’t you wish the Magnificent Seven, could help us out ? lol or maybe the Military would take notice and remove him and his cronnies for high crimes and treason ?

      • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

        JIBBS:

        The one misnomer people continually make about Der Fuhrer is that he is the first HALF BLACK, not the first black.

        He is, however, the first Muslim. I think FDR was the first communist.

      • Carlucci

        I read an article recently that said politics is just a matter of good copy writing, where the speaker constantly goes back to slogans like “Change we can believe in”, “A change is going to come”, “Change”……you get the idea. This is hammered into a viewer’s mind, like an infomercial that gets shown over and over. A good copy writer (speech writer) hits all the impulse points to get someone to “buy” something, either with money or belief in the speaker’s rhetoric.

        B.O. didn’t need much “experience”. Although I can’t stand to listen to him, his public speaking ability is very good as he comes across as confident and relaxed. He is very glib and appears to have the “gift of gab”. He has an excellent copy writer and teleprompter, like all politicians. When you have skills and back up like that, you can capture the audience that you want (in B.O.’s case, clueless college students, welfare recipients, illegals, union thugs, etc.).

  • Kris

    Excellant Wayne! To me this is one of his first openly dictorial edicts! There will be more if the protest over this first one don’t shout him out! As far as the brainless zombie like Hussain supporters go, they are brain dead and it is an impossibility to change someone with only 1 brain cell that may or may not work. They will follow Hussain into a burning hell with no questions asked. You can listen to these “deaders” on every lame stream media outlet. They are good little slaves who march in lock step right behind Hussain. He needs to be impeached now, if we wait until 201, it is doubtful that there will be a country left!

  • Doc Sarvis

    Mr. Wood rights; “Oh, to be sure, there were some proposed reductions in Obama’s budget. And for some strange reason they were all designed to either sock it to the wealthy or to outrage the poor.”

    Well the sock it to the poor will definetly happen as they have no voice (i.e. financial clout). Many programs that support the poor from health, housing, education, etc. will be cut or severely reduced. Whereas the rich will not suffer one bit since legislatures are beholden to them in a variety of ways. While we should tax those that benefit most from our system of government, our infrastructure, our policies, our workers; we coddle them as they acquire more and more of the finacial resources of our country. And while many of you claim they should have the money since they create the jobs that does not seem to be working AT All. They have had plenty of time to invest money in the U.S. to create jobs (all throughout the Bush years and into President Obama’s term as well) and we are still over 9% unemployment. President Obama wanted to raise the tax rate on the very wealthy (again, those who benefit most) but all of the Republicans and some Democrats struck that down. Many here complain about the phrase “income redistribution”. Well my friends, income has, for the last few decades, been redistributed up to the top 1 or 2% of our population and most of the rest of us have been loosing ground all that time.

    For most of the last ten years we have been embroiled in two foreign wars (at least one of which was initiated from complete lies). All of that time those wars were financed through borrowing from other countries (primarily China I believe) The general public has not had to step up to support these efforts through taxation which let them think nothing of all the killing (and spending). Now it is coming back to haunt us.

    • Bruce D.

      Obama is really in the process of destroying the poor, the middle class, and the whole country with his hyper inflationary policy. It is not going to be just the poor he tools over.

      • Stone

        Bruce, I voted for Obama because i thought the change he wanted was going to be good. Well, i very disappointed in what is happing, One correction though, from what if heard and read the congress which is controlled by the GOP wants to balance the budget on the backs of the poor. Just look at their proposed cuts. I know we have to get our house in order but don’t do it on the backs of those that can lease afford it. Corporate welfare costs each and everyone of us more money than social welfare. Don’t know if i believe it but on ABC nightly news, they are stressing buy made in america products. They claim if everyone would spend $3.39 on american made products it would create 10,000 jobs.

        • barbm

          hard to buy american made when hardly anything is made here any more and when the packages don’t say where items are made. hershey moved its plant to mexico (doesn’t taste quite right any more), but their package only says distributed from hershey, pa.. we sure need to put a high enough tax on foreign goods made for american companies to make it worth them bringing the jobs home. the problem i have with giving comapies tax breaks is that they don’t specify companies that operate in america with no overseas interests.

        • JIBBS

          10,000 jobs, hmmm, sorry, but we need at least 10,000,000 and thats just to start. People on welfare can do the meaningless jobs that the illegals do, if they want a free check, and take a drug test before they get that check. And get rid of the 20,000,000 illegals here also. Did you know that aiding an illegal in Mexico carries a six year jail sentence ?!

    • John the Libertarian

      doc- to paraphrase one of your buds (herr klinton): “it’s THE SPENDING {not the economy} STUPID”… until you dim dems get it through your thick heads [ to dream the impossible dream], we will continue to careen toward unimaginable DISASTER…your dim dem buds just don’t get it and probably won’t either when the collapse happens… your kind seems to see problems and instead of real workable solutions, hits the accelerator to make them MUCH MUCH MUCH worse

    • Allan Halbert

      Doc, I submit to you that liberals, especially Progressives, operate from a deep envy and sense of entitlement. It needs to take down the billionaires, the millionaires, and keep moving the line. No reason the guy next door should have anything different or better in his driveway. We move the line to medicate the envy.

  • Vigilant

    As of this posting, I don’t see any libs weighing in. They must be late risers.

    Then again, maybe they’re scrambling to Huffington Post, Move On, or Media Matters to get their talking points. T’will be interesting to see what eddie, Jovi’s Anus or Eric the Red have to say about the certainty of national failure due to profligate spending and debt creation.

    If/when they do decide to post, be sure to check off when they try to use the following tactics: (1) denial that the country’s on a ruinous course, (2) appeal to emotion without the ability to cite any stats in their favor, (3) citation of false or skewed statistics from a left wing website, (4) pure insults without addressing the subject line (that’s the most popular), or (4) the classic Alinsky approach of attempting to change the subject and carry off the discussion into the weeds of irrelevance.

    • Vigilant

      I stand corrected. Doc Sarvis got in there when I was composing my posting. Add number six to my list: bringing out the shopworn socialist screed aginst the rich. And, forgive me for forgetting number seven: blame everything on Bush.

      • bob wire

        I’ve always wondered why you see a need to defend the wealthy. It’s like you seem to believe they might need your help. ~ What gives with that Vigilant? Could you explain this compulsion to defend the strongest and kick the ribs in of the weakest among us?

        How is it possible that the strongest and most power require your heart and soul, or do you give it freely?

        • barbm

          i defend the wealthy because everybody in america has the right to a free education through grade 12, and anybody with low income gets their college pretty much paid for. if you go to school, study hard, are innovative, and work hard, anybody can be well off financially. if you’d rather make your money on your back spreading your legs for every tom, dick, or harry (make that every tomas, ricardo, or jorge) that comes along so you can make more babies, you don’t go to school or make your kids go, you won’t work, and you won’t even learn to speak english, why should those who are willing to work have to provide for you and your family? i know that not everybody has the intelligence to go to college, and i’m not opposed to assisting those who aren’t that smart as long as they’ll work. i’m also not opposed to helping those with sick or disabled children or who are ill or disabled themselves and the elderly. but every able-bodied person needs to at least attempt to help themselves.

          • Angel

            Let’s have a round of applause for our billionaire sponsors!!!

          • barbm

            Kochy, what’s that supposed to mean? i live in a small 3 bedroom 2 bath home in a decent but older neighborhood, drive a saturn, and try to live on my social security check but have to find work now and then to make it sometimes. i make $12,720 annually. hope you aren’t accusing me of being a billionaire. couldn’t be further from the truth. i had all those same opportunites everybody else has, but i made some bad choices along the way, so i didn’t live up to my full potential. that’s my fault, so i must lie in that bed. but i’m still satisfied with where i am and find that i’m pretty happy most of the time.

          • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

            Barbm:

            You have a warm place to live, a good roof over your head, running hot/cold water, indoor plumbing and enough to eat.

            What good does all the rest matter? Who are they trying to impress? God Almighty sure is not impressed with the show.

            As the lyrics in the Country song say: “I never saw a hearse with a luggage wrack”.

            We have all seen a lot of very miserable “rich” people.

          • libertytrain

            Old Henry, yes to all you said – who is there to be impressed, by what –

        • Vigilant

          bob,

          “I’ve always wondered why you see a need to defend the wealthy. It’s like you seem to believe they might need your help. ~ What gives with that Vigilant? Could you explain this compulsion to defend the strongest and kick the ribs in of the weakest among us?

          How is it possible that the strongest and most power require your heart and soul, or do you give it freely?”

          LOL! When are you going to ask the question, “are you still beating your wife?”

          I’m surprised at you, bob. I’ve seen you rail at posters before for labeling and putting everything in a neat box of black and white, and then you turn around and do the very same thing!

          “…why you see a need to defend the wealthy?”

          “…this compulsion to defend the strongest and kick the ribs in of the weakest among us?”

          Sorry for your sake, but it ain’t that way at all.

          Not that I haven’t made it plain before, but I’ll tell you my personal perspective, as follows:

          (1) I have a firm and abiding belief in Capitalism. History proves that socialism/communism do not work, period. Capitalism as embodied by free individuals making uncoerced decisions in a free market would not have made this the greatest nation on earth in the absence of the principles laid out by the Founding Fathers and formalized in the Declaration of Independence and Constitution.

          (2) Concentration of wealth accrues to the entrepreneurs who have talent, take risks, and understand that they may be wildly successful or fail miserably. They know they are accountable for their decisions. Without entrepreneurs, there are no jobs.

          (3) You should never hear a Conservative laud the success of a capitalist who has become rich through unethical, deceptive or criminal practices. There is not, nor should there be, any sympathy for these leeches. They deserve stiff fines and jail time.

          (4) No civil society has a right to hang out the destitute to dry, if those persons have tried their level best, played by the rules, or through true disability or infirmity cannot provide for themselves or their families. THIS, not indolence or greed, entails societal remedies at the lowest possible level of governmental entity (county or state).

          (5) Government has no business, with very few exceptions, interfering with free market principles. It both discriminates and violates the equal protection of the law when it seeks to guarantee outcomes rather than ensure that equal opportunity is practiced. THAT is “fairness.”

          (6) Confiscatory taxation to feed the maw of an inefficient government loaded with greedy politicians, bureaucrats and other power brokers is a sin against all of us who pay those taxes. Printing of fiat money is destructive to lives and the innate fairness of the Capitalist system.

          (7) Wealth redistribution projects and programs touched by government invariably turn to merde. EVERY program ever conceived by government has cost multiples of original estimates, fostered fraud, waste and abuse, and has made people MORE dependent upon government rather than less.

          To answer your charge, I don’t need to defend the wealthy, I simply tip my hat in appreciation to those who are at the helm of the engine of prosperity and pay 90+% of the taxes in this country, and without whom we would have gone down the drain a long time ago.

          • JeffH

            Vigilant, HEAR HEAR! I applaud you!

          • Vigilant

            Thank you Jeff!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Vig,
            Very good post!! Couldn’t be any more truthful and factual! Ever notice that bob always posts his most angry posts about welfare?? Could it be…………?

        • Allan Halbert

          Bob-

          You don’t understand. We don’t get up each day to defend the wealthy or attack them. Saying conservatives are the lapdogs of the wealthy is just as dumb as saying we are racist because we oppose Obama. These standard messages from the left do not seem to be winning hearts, minds, or elections.

    • bob wire

      “As of this posting, I don’t see any libs weighing in. They must be late risers.” ~ No ~ they work and have already left out.

      • libertytrain

        I’m sure they are just all out for their morning coffee at Starbucks and the like.

      • Vigilant

        “…they work and have already left out.”

        Then, by logic, when they do start posting it’s during work hours, screwing the taxpayers and/or the management of their firm.

        • bob wire

          I have a kind compassionate , generous boss , Me! ~ and I’ve learned to do more the two things at one time. You and McCain need to learn how ! It would help you with that case of anal retention so many of you seem to have.

          It’s not too difficult to run three crews, answer phones, create invoices and proposals, pay bills, plan advertising campaigns,met with clients and vendors and go head to head with 40 Republicans while looking after girlfriends and the elderly.

          • Vigilant

            As Reagan would say, “there you go again, bob.”

            “40 Republicans?” My, we’re in the (mis)labeling mode today, aren’t we?

      • JIBBS

        eddie has stated in the past that he is retired, so he’s not at work

        • bob wire

          I’m Bob, don’t know about eddie. ~ I could retire but idle hands is the workshop for the devil and I’m not big on rocking chairs and dipping.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            bob,
            I don’t know, from some of your posts you seem to like the idea of people dipping into others pockets!!!

  • Canadian Conservative

    In my opinion your whole banking system is set up to rob the wealth from the people and your government is going along with it. I shouldn’t say your banking system I should say all the money changers in the world. All fiat currencies will eventually collapse. You will never pay the debt you already have. That leaves only 2 options. Default or devalue your dollar to the point of nothing. It appears your fed and government has chose the later. The American people will be robbed of all your wealth and only a very small percentile will have it all. You should be rioting in the streets over these huge financial bail outs. It doesn’t matter if it’s a republican or a democrat in the office now. Your fed is who is going to destroy your country. When America’s dollar is no longer the reserve currency you are in serious trouble. As far as OBama’s secret agenda, take a look at what the socialist parties did to England in the 70′s.

    • Vigilant

      Absolutely correct, with one correction: The failure of ANY major currency in the world (Dollar, Yen, Euro, Swiss Franc, etc.) will immediately cause a global financial collapse on an unprecedented scale.

    • Lastmanstanding

      CC. Hope lot’s of folks read your post. It is exactly what will happen. Most believe it will not…they will be sorry.

      So many Americans have sold their soul to the easy way out. Most poor are poor because it is easier to take a handout for their vote than get up and kickass like alot of us do. I’ll be 50 next year and I do not/will not fail. The word is not in my vocabulary.

      True Americans live by this same creed. I am thankful for others like me. My kids and grandkids are dependant on us.

      • bob wire

        I tend to take exception to the term “True American” ~ that’s to suggest there might be un-true Americans.

        Not to even consider the fact that the only true American is the native American Indian. ~ While many of us might wish to hold title to native American Indian blood, even I can trace family back to “Quanah Parker” (ca. 1845–February 23, 1911)who was an important Comanche chief, a leader in the Native American Church, and the last leader of the powerful Quahadi band before they surrendered their battle of the Great Plains and went to a reservation in Indian Territory. He was the son of Comanche chief Peta Nocona and Cynthia Ann Parker, a European American.

        Today, I don’t consider myself a native American Indian or somehow being any more true American the anyone else.

        So why should you?

        • barbm

          you take something out of context, screw with it to make it into an off-topic issue, then sit back and see if you can derail the train we’re on. typical lib b.s..

          • Vigilant

            Yes barbm, that’s number four of my “rules for liberals” above.

          • barbm

            i know. i saw it and stole it from you. :)

        • Vigilant

          There are most certainly “un-true Americans.” Re:

          “legislators” who subvert the democratic process by abdicating their elected obligation to legislate.

          Left wing and right wing extremists, as well as homegrown Islamist terrorists who seek to overthrow the government of the United States through violent means.

          People in positions of power who seek more wealth and power through emasculating the very principles upon which this nation was founded.

          Criminals who work to defraud taxpayers through massive illegal schemes such as Medicare fraud.

          Congressman and senators who play deceptive parliamentary games to stack the deck in their favor.

          Presidents who not only fail to abide by their oath to “preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America,” but who also take every opportunity to sidestep, circumvent, or illegally “interpret” that document to their political advantage.

          Unions that take dues from all members and then use that money to support a the candidates of a single party, or who advocate the death of the secret ballot in the workplace.

          Thugs and felons who would, and have, intimidated voters at polling places.

          Czars and regulatory agencies whose effectiveness is guaged by their abilities to violate the checks and balances of the Constitution.

          Activist judges at all levels who rule based on personal political bias or appeal to international law and UN accords in substantiation their decisions.

          And the list goes on….

          If you don’t know what it means to be an American, your vote is a vote of ignorance. We always have the right to disagree, our system depends upon it, but we use LEGAL and CONSTITUTIONAL means to change the laws in this country if they are not to our liking.

          With few if any exceptions, it has always been the left that seeks to nefariously disregard the rule of law.

        • Cawmun Cents

          I dispute your assertion Mr.wire,that there are such a thing as “Native Americans”…they didnt after all call this place America until the white man arrived.They are simply “Natives”,you can leave the American part out.An American is someone who lives in the United States proper,as defined by the rest of the world.There are many definitions of America including north and south,but an American is thought to be specifically from the region now known as the United States of America.So there cannot be a Native American,so to speak since we are all transplants from other continents.

    • WayneT

      Canadian Consevative, we can’t seem to find many Americans these days that gives a damn. There are a few of us left, but I feel were in the minority. Look at some of the people who makes post on this forum. W know Nobama is a Communist/Socialist but people still support him. Are they wacky, or not?

    • barbm

      and why weren’t you folks up north rioting when they were cramming your terrible national insurance down your throats? one of our actresses died last year because of your seriously lacking health care. we know what’s wrong and are trying to fix it. we do it by voting. rioting will get you only so far.

    • Pat

      Canadian Conservative,
      I’m an American who WAS living in England in the 60′s and 70′s and was at the mercy of their health care. That is just one of the reasons why I spoke out against candidate Obama, but sadly people wanted change, and boy, did we ever get it. As an owner of a very small incorporated manufacturing company with less than 15 employees, we are now paying 40-45% in taxes. You may think we are raking in millions but that is not the case. Many companies the size of ours feel that we cannot continue afford to employ people, pay taxes, provide insurance and 401K’s etc. etc. with our President and his friends holding their hands out for more. You criticize our nation, yet a citizen of your country had to come to our country or die waiting for open heart surgery in Canada; same type of situation (health care, if that is what they want to call it) I faced in England. Whatever our problems are, and there are many, the United States of America is still the greatest nation under God’s Heaven and no one person(s) can destroy her until God decides. If you remember, God told satan that he could do anything to Job but take his life. Job faced tragedy after tragedy but God still protected him and God will protect the U.S.A. if each of us obey God and do His will, not ours.

      • Canadian Conservative

        I’m not criticizing your nation. I’m criticizing the greedy who will destroy your nation and the rest of the world. Greed has no nationality. Your constitution is one of the greatest articles ever written and unfortunatly most americans know nothing about it. There are powers working in the dark to destroy your and my way of life and we sit and argue about what side of the political fence you stand on. Politics is a tool of the devil. By the way I’m sure there have been americans that have died waiting for surgery they couldn’t get or afford.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          CC,
          See, that’s where you lose! Those that come here from canada supposedly can get it and can afford the surgery! you socialist try to put the US down by saying our people are dying from lack of treatment or not being able to afford it and we should change to your type of system. Well by what I just posted, your system is even WORSE!! It gives the people the illusion of hope just to snatch it away by long waits and substandard care!!!

        • Allan Halbert

          Please include the entitled in your definition of the greedy.

    • Al Sieber

      Canadian C, good post, the majority of Americans can’t understand or refuse to believe what is happening to them. with the escalating cost of fuel our economy won’t be able to sustain itself much longer, because with the rising cost of fuel comes the high cost of food etc.

  • http://www.jolsonbaldwin.com CLIVE BALDWIN

    Politicians are people too…Read on.

    TWO TIM THREE
    Read on now incline your thoughts to bible prophecy, and what it’s saying to us in second Timothy chapter three.
    It claims that in these last days there shall be perilous times, which means that we shall live to see unprecedented crimes.
    It is the baby boomers that St Paul’s referring to, the things they did at Woodstock prove his prophecy came true.
    These children of the new age are licentious and perverse and because they have no ethics their offspring are much worse.
    Unthankful and unholy and inclined to disobey; when someone tries to guide them they will turn the other way.
    Traitors, fierce, blasphemers, who despise those that are good, we meet these kinds of children now, St Paul said that we would.
    They’ll kill you for your sneakers shooting guns as they drive by; and the Whitehouse is an outhouse where politicians lie.
    And Sodom and Gomorrah is back in style again where women sleep with women and men make love with men.
    That’s what St. Paul’s has told us in his note to Timothy; we have lived to see it happen in the 21st century.

    ©Clive Baldwin. September 1, 2001

    • bob wire

      Give us a break here Clive! ~ I wasn’t there at Woodstock but kinda tied up in Nam. ~ What did “they” do there? ~ hate I missed it ! Sounds better then what I was doing.

    • barbm

      clive said – It is the baby boomers that St Paul’s referring to, the things they did at Woodstock prove his prophecy came true.
      These children of the new age are licentious and perverse and because they have no ethics their offspring are much worse.

      screw you, jack. it’s not the old hippies causing all this. we’re the new tea party. we’re not lacking in ethics and morals and neither are our children. you’re insulting and irrelevant because of it.

      • Cawmun Cents

        Ah there it is….the truth stabbing one in the neck,causing them to be malicious.I drink to you Clive for you have said something totally politically incorrect.And you can see why they dont care to hear it.It makes them uncomfortable to see themselves in the light.They prefer the shadows,where they can hide from God.As if…..

  • bob wire

    What’s this preoccupation with the unborn?

    You don’t conduct you’re affairs like you have much concern for the unborn but seen to pick and choose when it suits you’re fancy.

    If you showed as much concern for the born as the unborn you would be more believable and offer some merit to your argument.

    • Angel

      Government should leave us alone – except when comes to the womb and the closet.

      • bob wire

        Hmm? ~ well that’s hardly leaving you alone if they are inside your body and in your panty draw.

      • karolyn

        Why the exception? It should be all or nothing.

  • FlaJim

    Increasing the debt limite makes about as much sense as getting an increase on a credit card limit so you can get cash advances to make the minimum payments on the balance. Anyone trying to explain it as anything else is lying and they know it.

    Most states have a balanced budget requirement in their constitutions and are thus forced to cut spending (well, IL and CA both want bailouts). This isn’t a difficult concept to grasp, yet the DC Dems are fixated on utopian schemes like high speed rail, for which there’s no demonstrable need nor demand, more bailouts, of course, and redistribution of income and capital.

    Ask yourself how hard you’d work if your employer told you that by meeting all your goals, he’d redecorate your neighbor’s home and buy him a new car? That’s what the current regime is asking of us.

    • Vigilant

      Good points, sir!

  • Polski

    I am constantly amazed when I read these blogs. After 2 terms of Dubya, which ruined the country forever financially, the republicans are blaming Obama. If it wasn’t so tragic, it would be hilarious. Basically, Obama is terrible and Dubya was horrible. Both of them are crooks, just like every other politician, judge, corporate executive, sick industry doctors/FDA/FTC/BIG PHARMA. There really isn’t much any “normal” person can do. You know the old saying, “head for the hills, the shovel broke”…..LOL….SHEESH……..

    • JIBBS

      So, what ever happens a 100 years from now, people will still blame Bush ? Just stop with the bs, they were/are all crooks.

    • John the Libertarian

      Oh, I get it polski- you’re doing your Rip Van Winkle imitation AND YOU’RE JUST WAKING UP ( OR TRYING TO)…. obummer is taking the bush financial mistakes AND PUTTING THEM ON HYPERSTEROIDS… listen, dude if you can’t understand what TRILLION DOLLAR DEFICITS are, you have no business here, but need to go back to grade school— 1 trillion is a million millions (1 followed by 12 zeroes)… your boss has added 4 of them and soon will be in a position to add more than all of his 43 predecessors COMBINED… thank God [hopefully] we’ll have only 23 more months of his damage before he hopefully nah nah nah, heh heh GOODBYE as he leaves in the airforce 1 chopper…

  • BigBadJohn

    Agree we are in one hell of a mess.

    Simple solution is to roll the whole budget and government back to the day when George Bush took office.

    GWB inherited a 100 billion dollar deficit and left office with 1.5 trillion dollar deficit.
    Seems simple enough – undo everything Bush did, including tax cuts that the country could not afford, his prescription drug plan, his two wars, and the TSA. Undo everything Obama has done to add to GWB’s 1.5 trillion deficit. Then we are still stuck with the interest payments on the debt, but you have to start somewhere.

    • JeffH

      I would have no problem with that scenario.

      • Vigilant

        Agreed.

  • http://(n/a) Marv

    The YEAR is 2012 : and that GREAT SUCKING SOUND you hear is the US Government IMPLODING ….. , from a Sea-of-Red-Ink !

    Just imagine ; the Ancient MAYAN Peoples KNEW Obama was going to bring the entire Civilized World down, by destroying the Key-Stone of Economic Freedom – AMERICA !

    When he finishes , America will be plunged back into the Middle-Ages ; where his Moslim Admirers are NOW ; and those Admirers will be fully engulfed into a New Stone Age ! Probably surviving as Canibals !

    And Obama, he will go back to Hawaii ,and his Lost-Love : Keiki-Care !
    Which was “DESTROYED” by his Arch Enemy : REPUBLICANS !

    GO FIGURE !

    ///MRB

    • Vigilant

      “The Middle Ages?”

      OMG, no more TV, computers, cell phones, cars, and most important, “comfort food!” To parody Shakespeare, “It’s a consummation devoutly NOT to be wished.”

      How awful! People will find themselves actually engaging in protracted conversation with each other, perhaps re-learning how to read books, putting in a little hard labor every day, eating right and giving thanks for what they do have.

      Just havin’ a little fun, folks.

      • Al Sieber

        I agree.

  • Patriot

    Obama is doing exactly what his handlers want him to do; create an economic crisis, debunk our monetary system by creating massive inflation/2nd depression to bring America down to the level of other countries. When you start to lose everything food becomes scarce or too expensive, etc. the people will sacrifice all their Liberties in the hope that they survive, when that happens the “New World Order” is established. My suggestions turn off your TV and read about history especially “The Rockefeller File”, The Creature from Jekyll Island and watch the movie: Zeitgeist the Movie, find it on Youtube or other outlets. My hope is that is not too late!
    When your view is world and not America first then you could care less about your country. Look around, can you see it? No border security, no energy independence, no foreign policy (what is our foreign policy?) never hear from Obama say a word about what a great country we live in. By the way, with the Middle East burning our country is going through one of the worst economic with unemployment problems, problems in many states such as; Wisconsin, Indiana, Ohio, California, NY, IL, etc., arrests of terrorists in TX, CO, and on and on. Does Obama seem the least bit worried or concerned about anything? His attitude is the opposite as though there is world peace and everyone is in Utopia, do you ever wonder why? He does not seen to care in the least, no passion about our nations dire situation, can we last 2 more years of this? We need help now, we need everyone to STOP these petty arguments and look at the BIG picture, it starts and ends with our Constitution and we need to demand the will of the people isheard and terminate all career politicians that do not stand on our basic principles and America first ideas!

    • Canadian Conservative

      Patriot, you hit the nail on the head. It seems to me a lot of people just tow the party line. They believe the crap spewed over the idiot box, depending on which side of the fence they stand. Tear down the fences and protect your country and constitution. The founding fathers were against everything that these modern governments seem to strive for.

    • Macawma

      Yeah, they even had a big party last night…the world is on fire, and Michelle and BO have a f@#$%&# party! I wonder if her new personal shopper found her the right party dress for the occasion…

    • Carlucci

      Exactly. What is going on now has been in the works for years. It does not matter who is in the White House, because it is no longer a
      Democrat or Republican issue. Whomever is installed in the White House is just a meat puppet going through the motions and putting on a dog and pony show for the public, while the real powers that be do all the damage to the populace.

      Calling all economic/finance majors – !! What I want to know is why everyone believes this bull**** about the debt? Since the fiat currency is deemed worthless, how can you measure the “debt”, and then expect to use it as payment for the “debt”? What will happen if the fiat “dollar” is no longer used as an instrument of payment? If the powers that be declare another currency will replace the dollar, wouldn’t the “debt” based on the fiat “dollar” simply disappear?

      • Al Sieber

        You hit the nail on the head Carlucci, it doesn’t who is in the White House, the agenda moves forward. the fiat money is crashing.

    • BigBadJohn

      Obama is doing exactly what his handlers want him to do; create an economic crisis, debunk our monetary system by creating massive inflation/2nd depression to bring America down to the level of other countries.
      *******************************8

      NEW FLASH – THIS STARTED WAY BEFORE OBAMA!!!!!!!

      He is doing exactly the same thing that Reagan and GWB did before him. Spending money that the government does not have…..

      • Warrior

        BBJ, it appears you have come around since your days of not enough taxation. Congrats my friend.

        • BigBadJohn

          I have ALWAYS been a fiscal conservative. I voted for Newt’s republican revolution because I wanted a balanced budget amendment. I was PO’ed when that turned out to be nothing more than rhetoric for the weak minded.
          I was a registered Libertarian through the years of Bush’s administration and was PO’ed at what I saw as total disregard for the fiscal stability of our great country.

          Yes I was adamantly opposed to Bush’s tax cut – BECAUSE WE COULD NOT AFFORD IT!!!!

          I have the same problem with Obama, but the only thing he could possibly do is overturn everything that Bush did….. Are you willing to go along with that????

      • http://?? Joe H.

        BBJ,
        Yeah, but one hell of a lot faster!!!!

        • BigBadJohn

          Joe, please check your numbers. Bush inherited a 100 billion dollar deficit and left office with 1.5 trillion dollar deficit. That’s what a 1500% increase?

          Obama inherited a 1.5 trillion dollar deficit and has run it up to 1.8 trillion deficit. That’s what, a 20% increase?

          Pretty hard to cut a 1.5 trillion dollar deficit that you inherited….

  • Tom

    To those waiting for the next election..Do you really think this tyrant in the WH will allow free and fair elections?
    Guaranteed by the constitution you say!! Will we still have a constitution by 2012??????

  • http://Verizon Bud G.

    Brad: Do you really believe just because it is the law and on the books that this administration won’t ignore it. Just like that dumb ass on the rules committee said on national TV, “What rules, we make them up as we go along”. I don’t think I need to tell you what his party affiliation is.

    I know a lot of people won’t agree with me, but what I see is a deliberate attempt to make this country dependent on the Federal Government and to institute a European Socialist form of government.
    When you look at the make-up of the President’s cabinet and his special advisers which is loaded with Socialists and the policies they are implementing without the oversight of Congress or the blessing of the Socialist Democrats in Congress, it is clear to me this is their agenda. The Health Care Bill, Cap and Trade, then the end around by the EPA; all which place a tremendous burden on the people.

    Fla Jim: I am from Florida as well and your last comment is exactly what I am talking about. What people don’t realize though is anywhere
    from 50 to 80 per cent of your income will be going to the Federal Government to pay for this and you only have to look at some countries in Europe where this is the case and you see the state of their economies now. Capitalism has it faults and has ups and downs but name any country that has a Socialist society and you will see it has ultimately failed.

  • http://Juno Ken

    Why are we continuing to talk and not take action? Why does congress need all their perks, big offices, staff, free this, free that like they are all Kings and Queens? Times in the past show that they don’t listen the people and with so many of congressional leaders they always shift the blame to others for the problems we are having. These very people create all these problems and then sell us the ignorant public that they are the only ones that can fix them. Its time for action and not talk. I know how to correct the problems but getting people to take action is almost impossible.

    I suggest that each of the congressional offices as they currently exist be removed. I am speaking of the luxurious and gigantic office space that each one occupies, this and their over blown staff of Lawyers that feed them all this bad information. If we were to physically remove all these trappings just think of the money we can save. I would allow each congressman/woman and each senator an office with room for a sectary and one person to keep their schedules etc. and neither one of these people could be lawyers. In fact if a lawyer was found working for one of our elected (children Isaiah 3;verses 4 and 12) then both parties should be sent immediately to prison for defrauding and stealing from we the people. I would include in this number all federal judges that ruled against the people having taken this action.

    This will never happen in my life time as these crooks are very well entrenched/established and accustomed to living like royalty to ever consider making any changes into the way that they conduct business. I await the return of Christ Jesus to this earth. He will straighten this mess out and I would not want his wrath to fall on as it will the children who now rule over us and the ungodly judges that uphold these abominable destructive laws against we the people. Even so come Lord Jesus and set a fire and cleanse our Nation.

    • WayneT

      I agree with you Ken. It is because not enough people are paying any attention. They only pay attention when they are directly effected by the outcome. One of these days Dictator Obama’s plan will strkke them, and by that tkme it will be to damn late to change anything. We have a stupid populace out there is what is wrong. This is IMHO.

      • bob wire

        I think that you have too much time on your hands and your mind is hungry.

  • Mark Hedgecock

    Lets start with this folks. Take all of our troops out of the middle east. Place them on support standby for Israel.Bring all deployed military troops home secure our borders. Place every missile launch site on constant alert.Have every deployable aircraft armed and on constant alert.Warn every legal citizan of the US. to return in 90 days. Immediately, make the announcement that for the history of the US. we have helped virtually every country out of some kind of major cotastrophy and asked for no help back or repayment. Therefore we owe you nothing. All debts are payed and cleared. Stop importing and exporting. We have decided to become self sufficient, we need nothing any other country. We have enough natural resources to take care of ourselves.If any forien country don’t like our decission then come and try and take a piece of us. You want to come here and visit or live. It’s by our rules. You bring none of your garbage here. I fwe want to come and visit youror live in your country we will do the same. results, deficit and budget balanced. More jobs than we have people. More money than we know what to do with. Fine tune this stratigy and problem solved.

    • Mark Hedgecock

      Yep this came from a dumb country boy that can’t spell but has a mind to think. We all have been to spoiled to think we need imported goods to make our life easier. We have been spoiled to believe we have to have every new materialistic thing under the sun to be happy in all reality we are never satisfied. Come on people, if you like something the forieners have, then make it here for ourselves, it don’t have to have Paris stamped on it. Get my drift

      • bob wire

        Wisdom has little to do with spelling Mark, so you are good.

        It’s the laws that have permitted elite Americans to pillage and plunder developing nations. Big American business interest have became so use to large profit margin at the expense of nation full of people that live in mud huts, wear no shoes or have no concerns regarding clean air and water issues while this country’s leader and these Americans pocket huge profit from American consumers.

        Today, ~ America’s ability to buy and consume is drying up and we want these jobs back. But for that to happen and afford business the margin of profit they have become accustom to would require American’s to go bare footed, live in grass huts,while OSHA and EPA would have to take a hike.

        Until laws that permit this plundering of developing nation is brought under control, I see no change on the horizon.

  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    To Robert,
    You call them Democrats.There are not to many Democrats left.
    The Democrat party is no longer, it was hijacked by the
    Progressives, it now is the Progressive party. You will find
    many Democrats voting Republican because this is the only way
    they will be able to get their party back by 2016 .We as Americans,
    Democrats, Republicans, Independents, must run this cancer (Progressives )
    out of Washington before we lose the very way of life that we have
    enjoyed for so long.( Freedom ) Obama in my lifetime, has been the first
    President to have tryed to destroy this great country.I`m an Independent,
    we have no choice, but to vote Republican.Hopefully, the new young Republicans can save us from ourselves.There are still a lot of Congressmen that have to go,Republicans as well as a few Progressives.
    If we do this, just maybee, we can have a election in 2016 between two American parties ( Dems and Rep) that will be for the people and by the people. Obama and his Marxist thugs must be driven from the political
    landscape of this country.We can`t let him and his goons bankrupt this
    country. Why do you think people are changing their dollars into GOLD and
    SILVER? I“m going to try and do my part, are you?

    • Lastmanstanding

      Charles. There are LOTS of us with you! The progs have hijacked the democratic party. As this union bs continues, more true Americans will see the light.

      As with the earth, ‘survival of the fittest’ will soon be in play…

      • bob wire

        well ~ I left to assume you feel ~ “fit”?

        Good! then you should be up to the challenge ahead.

        • Lastmanstanding

          bw. extremely fit, well supplied and patient…

    • skip

      And the Republican party was hijacked by the Koch brothers and Wall Street, the Insurance Industry, the money changers, and AIG. Who is worse? Watch out, middle class- you are goners. Stay healthy, eat right, stay slim, exercise regularly, don’t smoke, and don’t live near a refinery – no health insurance company is going to insure you, as long as they are in it to make a usurious profit, and they do.

      • JeffH

        skippy, gonna start calling you “Pete the repeater”. Do you repeat everything you hear or just some of what you hear? Would you care to expand on your comment or is that to much to ask?

        Can I guess that you prefer Marxists over capitalists? Do you support the current government and the Democratic Socialist Party?
        Do you prefer the spending of George Soros over the Koch boys? I know who owns and pull the strings for the Democrats and probably a majority of the Republicans…hint…the same guy/people and the name doesn’t start with a “K”.

        I personally prefer a constitutional free market republic with limited government intrusion and limited government power. I’m just not a fan of the Marxist in charge or the socialist Democrats. Don’t much care for the Republicans either, especially the RINOs.

  • Karen in Calif.

    Not ONE cent should be cut from any budget, federal or state, until ALL funding for illegal aliens is abolished. It is insanity to talk about cutting defense, education, etc. when any of our tax dollars are subsidizing non-citizens! Come on America! Let’s draw the line in the sand on this issue.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Karen,
      Very wise words indeed!!! Watch your back side though, as where you are from they almost5 out number you!!! good luck!!

  • Nuts

    They will probably raise the debt limit and ratify the small arms treaty with the UN. Neither of which will do us any good whatsoever. I think they are amused with our lack of concern for what’s going on. We must be really stupid to not hold anyone accountable for their actions. It’s really our fault that thing are as bad as they are! The people in the U.S have been enjoying prosperity for so long that they forgot to watch what our representatives were doing to us. Now it’s too late for us to recover. 13 + trillion is an awful lot of debt that we have allowed them to poop away, some of which is used to buy our vote. WE ARE STUPID. TIME TO WAKE UP!

  • http://com i41

    When the Nam whining b–l s–t atarts up, it is a fact the hippy dippy bastard demss that were in charge time frame. Spoil college dick heads living off of mommy and daddy, roiting instigated by the commie pukes like George McGovern and the faggot Holly weird smucks. The same sorry bastards who are running and hiding out again, the demorats. Onumnutts “the book trained ebonomic sewer sucking idoit in Cheif”. Elected by morons who appartently didn’t listen to his marxist muslim crap he spouted and wrote with his radical domestic terrorist “friends”. He uses sorry azzed Wall Street slubs like every elit rats, Geithner, Daschle, communist loving Clintons, every other anti American muslim loving moron idoit he can find and has ever associated with. Professor theorists and beltway pukes who have never produced anything saleable or useful. What sorry bastards support this crossbred marxist muslim puke? Young college educated brain dead idoits, union lead slubs who always are in need of some kind of leadership, even if it is communist inspired! Jackwagon generational welfare wards of government hand outs, all federal and state funded f–k offs who are over paid idoits doing nothing productive or useful. Which are all madatoried college degreed slubs without a nat’s brain of practacal experience, just theory book trained dorks.

    • JIBBS

      Your choice of words makes me wonder, I would have to deem you…not credible.

      • Lastmanstanding

        JIBBS. You sound like a typical elitist prog. Unless it is said in a pc manor, you simply dismiss it. i41 simply said what was on his mind in a manner which you thought was offensive. The 1st amendment gives him that right. Oh, I forgot only you guys get that right. In fact, don’t you just want the Constitution of the United States of America revoked… You progs just can not stand to hear the truth.

        Let me be pc to i41′s response. “Well said i41!!!”

    • Angel

      More hate from our favorite anti-semite…

  • American Citizen

    Cut all Federal Workers’ pay, including Congress and the President, by 10%, eliminate all unnecessary departments, such as Education, the Arts, etc., cut all foreign aid to every country except Israel,( our only friend in the Middle East)., bring our troops home and close the bases in Europe (it’s time they fend for themselves), and finally, get out of the UN and get the UN out of the US. Then, stop taxing the states and then returning a pittance. Let the states keep the money and that would help with their deficits. Each state would be on its own. It’s time to get our fiscal house in order or we’re doomed.

    • mark

      If they are our friend why do they spy on us (Pollard) and also why do they do things that make us look bad, example: expanding illegal settlements. treating Palestininan and Arab Israel Citzens s non-citizens.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Gee mark, I don’t know, why do the palistinians set up rocket launchers on schools and launch them purposely into markets instead of at military???

  • WayneT

    What we need right now, more than anthing else, is a good Conservative Leader to come forward to guide the populace through all the current turmoil we are now facing. A lot of the populace has lost their way, and need some one to guide them. We don’t have a leader in government now, so hopefully some one will come forward before we go down the tubes to give us direction.

    • barbm

      what scares me it that we still haven’t made a choice. the texas primary is in just over a year and the general 8 months later. obama has already set up his campaign headquarters. so far, i wouldn’t vote for many of the names that’ve been thrown around. palin, gingrich, romney? no thanks. i like gary johnson of n.m. and our boy ron paul. but neither has stated they’ll run. paul has aked for money, but he didn’t say what it’d be used for or if he’s running, so i’m saving my money to back our choice. if he wants to raise money just to see if he can and then he’ll make a decision, that’s not going to work for me. i don’t have a lot, so can’t give a lot. i have to be choosy.

    • BigBadJohn

      What we need right now, more than anthing else, is a good **FISCALLY** Conservative Leader to come forward to guide the populace through all the current turmoil we are now facing.

      There I fixed it for you, since a conservative and a fiscal conservative ARE NOT THE SAME!

      • http://?? Joe H.

        BBJ,
        They are a lot closed than a progressive and a fiscal conservative!!!

        • BigBadJohn

          Joe better check your numbers again….

          Reagan inherited a 1 trillion dollar national debt, and TRIPLED it.
          GH Bush added 1 trillion in four years.
          4 trillion total
          Clinton added one trillion in eight years.
          5 trillion total
          GW Bush DOUBLE the national debt.
          10 trillion total

          Certainly looks to me like those conservatives are the real budget busters……

  • Bert Cundle

    MY Question is: The President in a Canoe, on the rapids of trend(s) trying to paddle up stream or with one paddle trying to aim the ship in the current… I’m to the thought, that CHANGE is in the making…
    The more we get away from Gas From Oil, From Middle East; The higher the price of Gas will get! Does EDISON Lower the Price of a Kh/hr on our Bill? NO The Increese is Multiplied! Who Rules TRENDS?

  • Jeepdriver 97

    My representative just had a disgruntled constituent put a bullet in her brain. Now everyone agrees that Jared was a little (or maybe a lot) off, but, be that as it may, he hasn’t helped me. Because of “niceness”, the governor is holding off setting up the special election needed to replace her. She’s toast – I’m not trying to be ugly, but one need only look at the brain injured servicemen and women returning from Afganistan and Iraq. The brain is a formidable organ, and people do miraculously recover from severe brain injuries, but as the old saying goes – It’s not the way to bet. Her opponent in the 2010 election is a strong conservative and with an election, it’s possible that I might get some proper representation instead of a Nancy Pelosi wannabe who votes as directed and then (MAYBE) reads what she voted for!

    I’ve petitioned the governor to cross the political correctness line and set up the election that is called for by law in the case of death or disability of a standing Congressional Representative.

    • barbm

      i wouldn’t wish what happened to giffords on my worst enemy, but not being represented, even by a leftie, is unconscionable. y’all do know that giffords questioned the military about the environment and war, right? from freerepublic, “Representative Gabrielle Giffords (D-Az) took Afghan Commander, General David Petraeus, to task for what she characterized as “willful disregard of the environmental impact of our war effort.”

      “There is no policy, no plan to minimize carbon emissions in our military activities,” Giffords charged. “Bombs are dropped and bullets are fired without considering the environmental impact.”

      Giffords insisted that she was “not demanding an immediate halt to current military operations in the Middle East. I’m just saying that battle plans should include an environmental impact assessment as a regular part of the process before attacks are launched.”

      She also suggested that the Army “put more emphasis on less environmentally damaging methods, like stabbing or clubbing enemy forces in order to minimize the carbon output.”

      i’m feeling for you, dude. how lame was that? almost as bad as that black dem who asked if an island will tip over if we put a base on it. :)

  • Bobber

    If we want to save the USA – slash government employee compensation at all levels of government, end welfare, end foreign aid, stop supporting the UN, and give all job-stealing, aid sucking immigrants a one-way tickey home, and outlaw unions. If we aren’t willing to do these things we will end up like Somalia.

  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    Dan,
    You`couldn`t have said it better.The biggest threat to this country
    is who Obama has surrouned himself with from day one.Here are a few,
    Valerie Jarett, Van Jones, Bill Ayers, Abdy Stern(SEIU), Anita Dunn,
    Ben Bernanke Cousin to the Rothschilds,George Soros, Jeff Jones.
    Cass Sestein, Saul Alansky, Richard Trumka AFL_CIO who spent time in Egypt last year helping them to sign up new members (Workers of the World,
    One big Union)
    In Nov Of last year (2010) He awarded them an award for their effort.
    Check these people out and you will see who is realy running America with
    Obams approvel. See what they stand for and what they have done in the past. There are many,many more and it is scarey as HELL>

    • bob wire

      May I inquire as to how do you know this Charles? If I was reading Obama’s mail for months, I don’t believe it would give me the names of his inner circle and personal contact.

      As for “Bill Ayers” ~ Ayers is only a distant association, if you wish to call meeting and visiting with someone at a cocktail party an “association”.

      Which in turn make me question the rest of your names on your list.

      How have you acquired this “knowledge”? have you hired a PI with electronic surveillance or are you just following him around?

      • JeffH

        bobby ole boy, you just contradicted your comment to Charles…”As for “Bill Ayers” ~ Ayers is only a distant association, if you wish to call meeting and visiting with someone at a cocktail party an “association”.”
        How do you know this? Were you there? Can you read Obama’s mind?

        • bob wire

          Jeff, that’s the word that seems to be circulating around GOP circles, myself I don’t know but I do keep up with both democrats and Gop propaganda, is that a bad thing that I read and listen to it all?

          If you will scroll down , you will read where Charles scoff me and repeats the telling of this ” Cocktail Party” event with even greater elaboration.

          This notion of perceived the smell of smoke and claiming there must to be a fire is SOP (standard operating procedure) and while always worthy of consideration, rarely leads to anything of substance. In so doing it always makes the name “Ayers” always good for some political play. If you can’t baffle with brilliance, baffle with bull $hit.

          That would be like me suggesting John MC Cain might still be engaged in business practices and hob nobbling around with Mr. Keating though he is present locked up in Crow Bar Hotel. I could still incite question and interest simple by throwing a few names and connecting a few dots.

          What else you got for me Jeff?

          • JeffH

            “Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.” –Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist Saul Alinsky

            Obama helped fund ‘Alinsky Academy’: “The Woods Fund, a nonprofit on which Obama served as paid director from 1999 to December 2002, provided startup funding and later capital to the Midwest Academy…. Obama sat on the Woods Fund board “alongside William Ayers”, founder of the Weather Underground domestic terrorist organization…. ‘Midwest describes itself as ‘one of the nation’s oldest and best-known schools for community organizations, citizen organizations and individuals committed to progressive social change.’… Midwest teaches Alinsky tactics of community organizing.”

          • JeffH

            The so-called cocktail paty was a “meet the candidate” fund raising party hosted by Ayers to introduce the Illinois senate candidate Obama. More than a casual meet? Most likely!

          • bob wire

            Hmm? Thanks for that Jeff, ~ I like that kind of detail. While it’s still a ‘guilt by association” and a quoted opinion from someone I have no knowledge of.

            And this little cocktail party would be hardly a footnote today if “O” failed to get the bid for a front running position.

            So we are left to make as much or as little as we wish to of this meeting.

            Harry Reid had a uncle that was hung for horse stealing. ~ Harry’s accounting of his uncle’s demise went something like this. ~ “He died when a platform gave way at a public event that was hosted in his honor.”

            So Jeff, there has always been more then one or two ways to tell the truth, that can both raise or kill doubt and suspension.

            “Do you still beat your wife?” Is a good example of throwing question of doubt and suspension. ~ The damage is done when the question is asked!

            There is no answer that will naturalize the question. “I don’t beat my wife” or “No” fails to erase the “effects” of the question.

            It is with this kind of word play you seem to enjoy engaging in.

          • JeffH

            bobby, “It is with this kind of word play you seem to enjoy engaging in.” Gee whiz bobby, it’s obvious that you like the word games yourself…don’t be a hypocrite…some like it, some don’t…should I take your word for anything…I think not! You constantly rail the Tea Party and Palin with your word play…seems you tend to enjoy playing with the words. Ignore the facts if you like…no sweat off of me…it’s still a free country last time I checked.

  • mark

    You, want to cut the budget. So do I but lets cut the defense department by at least half. Lets get out of Iraq, Afghanatan, Korea, Japan, all foreign countries. Let them defend themseves. The defense department is what is bankrupting this country! Also eleminate all foreign aid!

    • WayneT

      Mark, either that, or lets make these countries pay for their protection we have been giving them for over 50 yrs.

      • mark

        Why should my children and your children defend these foreign countries.Let their children and citizens defend their own countries

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Wayne T,
        I don’t know about the rest of the bases, but like I said the other nite, Japan pays out 100 million a year for their bases.

  • labouton

    An interesting article I just read.
    President Obama and the Congress have taken 66% of discretionary spending in the federal budget off the table –the SecurityBudget – while proposing a freeze to the rest of the budget and deep cuts to some programs that provide necessities for the American people. His budget crystalizes a choice that U.S. presidents have been making since President Eisenhower warned of the military-industrial complex – investment in the military vs. investment in the civilian economy.
    The bloated and sacrosanct security budget – the military, domestic security and intelligence budgets –all saw rapid growth under President Bush when the DoD doubled its budget. Under President Obama the trendhas continuedwith record military, intelligence and domestic security budgets.
    And, while the so-called recovery has only been a recovery for Wall Street and big business, the administration and congress are focused more on the deficit then on re-starting the economy for the rest of us. But there is more talk of cutting Social Security and Medicare than cuttingthe security budget. In fact, these two items are called entitlements because they are a contract with working Americans who pay for them in every paycheck. For this reason they should not even be considered part of the deficit. Payrolltaxes fund these two programs that are essential for older Americans in their retirement years. Both face budget challenges but can be fixed, indeed Social Security has more than $2.5 trillion in Treasury Notes in reserve.
    President Obama has proposed the largest DoD budget since World War II, $553 billion (not including war funding and nuclear weapons funding in the Department of Energy). Much attention has been shined on Secretary of Defense Gates’proposal to “cut” $78 billion inthe Pentagonbudget. Those “cuts” take place over five years with reductions taking place after the 2012 election in 2014 and 2015. And, the “cuts” do not include the cost of wars. The Afghanistan war alone could eat up projected “savings” and if the CIA’s war in Pakistan escalates that will be an even bigger budget item. Further, we have not seen what the continuing U.S. military footprint in Iraq will cost. These projected cuts are more image than reality.
    How does military spending impact Americans? President Reagan’s former assistant secretary of defenseLawrenceKorb describes the military budget as “an annual tax of more than $7,000 on every household in the country.”While increasing the security budget, Obama and the Democrats have proposed widespread cuts to critical programs from a 50% cut in low-income heating assistance to nearly a 30% cut to the clean drinking water fund. They have also proposed a 25% cut ($1.3 billion) to the community development block grants used to fund local community development including affordable housing, anti-poverty programs, and infrastructure development. These are essential services needed for Americans health, safety and economic security.Of course, Republican cuts in the House budget are even more extreme but Obama set the table for them by making the debate about deficits and both parties will not touch the security budget. Military analyst, William Hartung, writes “These cuts will be painful, and they will be felt in every middle- and lower-income household in America.”
    Cities and states are cutting essential services to balance their budgets. U.S. taxpayers will spend $737billion for Pentagon spending for FY2011 including war funding). To get a sense of what these means, for the same amount of money tax payers could provide funding for 11.3 million elementary school teachers for one year or 93.5 million scholarships for university students for one year or restart the economy by providing 166.9 million households with renewable electricity – solar photovoltaic for one year.Instead all these programs face cutbacks, while military spending grows.
    To get a sense of the absurdity of protecting all military spending, the federal government spends $500 million each year for military marching bands. In comparison it spends $430 million a year on public broadcasting. More than half of all Americans use PBS each year, 170 million people, but PBS faces cutbacks while military bands are protected from budget cuts.
    The greater damage will be in the failure to restart the economy. Economists like Nobel Prize winner, Paul Krugman and former Labor Secretary Robert Reich, are convincingly urging more spending. Big business is sitting on $2 trillion in cash stifling job creation and a real economic recovery. There are no signs of inflation because the recovery – if you can even it call it a recovery – is non-existent for working Americans and the unemployed/underemployed whose consumer purchases are needed to drive the economy. Obama risks a 1937 mistake – cutting spending too soon and causing another collapse.

    Cutting $1 trillion from the federal budget is the goal of the Obama administration deficit plan. All of these cuts could come from military spending and still leave the U.S. militarily dominant. In fact, since the administration has projected an increase in spending of $6.5 trillion from 2011 to 2020, even a trillion would be a slowing of growth more than a real cut. Lawrence Korb lays out a five point plan to reduce military spending by $1 trillion without jeopardizing national security and thereby protecting U.S. economic security.
    He is not alone, the Sustainable Defense Task Force provides specific cuts without harming U.S. national security including:
    •The $238 billion Joint Strike Fighter program: Cancelling the program and relying instead on upgraded versions of current aircraft would save almost $50 billion over ten years.
    •The MV-22 Osprey: Replacing this dangerous, overpriced, and underperforming aircraft with cheaper alternatives would save over $10 billion over ten years.
    •Reducing the number of U.S. troops in Europe and Asia to 100,000 from current levels of 150,000 would save $80 billion over a decade.
    •Reforming Pentagon health care systems so that retirees pay modest, reasonable premiums could save $60 billion over a decade.
    •Scaling back missile defense and space weapons programs could save over $50 billion over a decade.
    •Further reductions in the U.S. nuclear arsenal, including deployment of fewer ballistic-missile launching submarines, could save over $100 billion in a ten year period, much of it in operating costs.
    •Reducing the size of the Navy from 286 to 230 ships would save over $125 billion over ten years.
    If you combine these recommendations of the five point plan of Lawrence Korb, which includes items like bringing home 50,000 of the 150,000 troops stationed in Asia and Europe, reducing the size of the Army and Marine Corps to their pre-Iraq invasion level and reducing nuclear weapons from 1,968 to the 311 the Military War College says is needed for defense, the U.S. would save another $200 billion.
    For many, these would only be the starting points of correctly prioritizing military spending. President Eisenhowerwarned about the military industrial complex 50 year ago. During that time, U.S. spending on the military adjusted for inflation has more than doubled and we have moved to a permanent war state. Columbia University’s Seymour Melman, a professor of industrial engineering, pointed out that “Industrial productivity, the foundation of every nation’s economic growth, is eroded by the relentlessly predatory effects of the military economy.” In fact, we have seen – as we see in the Obama budget – a constant conflict between the military economy and the civilian economy. The civilian economy is losing that battle.

    • John the Libertarian

      lab— the “1 trillion cut” is over 10 YEARS— the overwhelming number of which will be AFTER the kindergarten level econ idiot is gone AND WELL AFTER THE COMING ECONOMIC COLLAPSE his lackeys have hastened… get ready now WHILE YOU STILL CAN…

  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    Most of you have excellent points.There is so much to do.
    I hope the TEA PArty dosen`t lose their way. I hope they keep
    it civil, not like my union brothers have acted. Our unions,
    also have been hijacked by the lefty Marxist thugs long before
    our goverment was.Andy Stern(SEIU) gave over 90 million dollars
    to the Progressive party. He left his union as president, over 85
    million in debt, to join Obams Deficit Commison. This man should
    be arrested and tried for treason, along with the President of the
    AFL_CIO.( Richard Trumka) Iam ashamed of both of them.Check them out and see what they and their thugs have been up too. It`s no wonder our great unions are in so much trouble.

    • WayneT

      Just remember, money buys evil, and this is exactly what we have now in the Whitehouse

  • jopa

    This article by Chip Wood hit the nail right on the head and what I have been saying all along.The Bush Chaney era ran us so far in the hole when they didn’t make any moves to pay for their wars and our grandchildren are going to pay now.They basically left our economy in total ruin on the verge of a depression and gave hundreds of billions to Wall street.They pretty much burned down the farm and didn’t have insurance on it.Now in order to re build the farm Obama had to borrow some money for repairs and that added more to our deficit but now we are on the right track.Thank You Mr. President

    • John the Libertarian

      jopa: BORROW SOME MONEY— YOU’VE GOT TO be kidding, RIGHT??? in 2 yrs obummer added 4 rillion to the debt (as much as bush’s 8 years), and is projected to add TRILLIONS MORE… as other posters have said— this is obummer’s economy now— get over it and let him man up to it if he’s trully man enough

  • dhellew2

    One thing nearly everyone forgets or chooses to forget (government especially) is that government workers do not contribute to payment of the debt. THEY ARE THE DEBT.

    Government payroll is tax revenue taken from the heart of the economy. Government workers pay not taxes. Government payroll is taxes and you cannot pay taxes with taxes.

    • skip

      Sorry, WE are the debt! We borrowed our keesters off, bought all the stuff that China had to offer, gorged ourselves to obesity nationwide, decided to drive cars and SUVs capable of transporting zoo animals in comfort, all on credit. And we blame the government? – - the government is just us magnified. The same sized car in France gets twice the gas mileage as those sold here – why? Big oil wants you to buy their product as long as we can. There is a lot each of us can do – we and the government can spend wisely for what is durable, necessary, and sustainable. Good roads, good transport, good water supply, safe food, etc. But we shouldn’t buy nonsense, nor should our government.

      • Al Sieber

        Skip, you need to do more research, especially on the Federal Reserve, or goggle “History Of The Money Changers” by A. Hitchcock.

  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    Bob Wire,
    I have done my homework,which you apparently haven`t. Don`t believe me,
    find out for yourself.I will tell you, that cocktail party was in Bill Ayers
    living room and was the kick off of Obams run for Presdident. Im only going to tell you about one more person just to wet your lips to find out
    about the rest of them.Van Jones, who came to Obama`s team from Oakland
    Calif.,where he founded the Communist org. called STORM. This is all Im going to tell you, you have to get off your ass and do your own work. Find out about this list and I will give you another list. Then again, you might be a Marxist and just might not give a damn.

    • WayneT

      Charles, yes! you are correct in your statement about the Mad Bomber, Bill Ayers.

    • bob wire

      Yes ! I’ll have to admit have to admit, someone has done your homework, probably the same guy that took your lunch money!

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Charles,
      I forget, which paper was it that he gave the interview where he states ” after that I was a died in the wool COMMUNST”? I read the interview and it sounded very much like him!!

  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    Old Henry,
    Glad to see you posting again. You sure know how to tell it the way it is.

  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    jopa,
    Bush did spend to much money when he was President,however
    he dosen`t come close to what Obama has spent.Obama has spent
    more than all the Pressidents combined. Quit blaming Bush,this
    is Obams economy. Get over it, this man(OBAMA) has put us in real trouble
    and is still wanting more money.You must have really hated Bush. I think
    you probley read The Huffington Post and New York Times to get your
    head filled with the hate and dispair you same to have.

    • bob wire

      “Quit blaming Bush,this
      is Obams economy. Get over it, this man(OBAMA) has put us in real trouble
      and is still wanting more money.”

      thank goodness, you are a minority!

      You seem to believe the economy is cut off and on like a light switch!

  • Dan

    jopa

    You really enjoy reading comic books.

  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    Wayne T,
    Glad to see other people doing their homework. If we are going to
    save this country we have to get the word out. The left- wing
    will not only do their homework,but they will listen to whatever Obama and his goons tell them.Wayne, GOOD JOB!!!!!

    • WayneT

      Thanks, Charles. I call it the way I see it.

  • Mike

    I think a more pertinent question is the reality of debt.

    Does it really exist?

  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    Dan, He is the main character!!!! Thats Jopa,you got to love him.

  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    Mike ,
    Yes Mike!! it does. Why do you think Gold and Silver is going
    up and up? They tell you you should have 10 to 20% of your net value
    invested into the two.

    • WayneT

      Chales, when the value of gold goes up, that means the value of you dollar is falling. Nobama at work.

  • barbm

    didn’t the tea party candidates run on a platform of term limits? i haven’t heard a word from anybody about that. setting term limits is the only way we’ll ever get decent representation. otherwise, all they do is run for re-election until the next one. you can’t please all the people all the time, but they need to be doing what’s best for the country, not what’s best to get them re-elected.

    • Pat

      barbm,
      Term limits have advantages and disadvantages. I live in Oklahoma and Senators Jim InHofe and especially Tom Coburn will certainly go to the mat, so to speak, with many liberals as well as the RINOS. I would want to keep Sen. Coburn but the Nancy Pelosis, Harry Reids, Barbara Boxers, Dianne Feinsteins, etc. etc. I would love to set term limits for them. I know there are many good people in the states of California and Nevada but don’t the liberals see what their elected officials have done not just to their states, but to our nation?

  • WayneT

    I have not seen where anyone has make a post where Nobama is going to start picking, and choosing the Federal Laws he wants to enforce. Obama says he is not going to enforce the Federal Law that was passed back in 1996, and signed into law by President Clinton. The is the law in reference to the gay rights equality on marriage. By doing this, he will lead us right into anarchy. Can you believe that the president have the power to only pick those Federal Laws he approves of, and not enforce those he does not like? Does this sound like a dictator, or what? What if he decides he does not like the US Constitution, will he throw that out also. I hope this Zombie Congress does something before this happens. I have already senr an e-mail to all my representatives and I hope each of you will do thid also. Below is what I found on the definition of malfeasane in one of the dictionaries:

    malfeasance n. intentionally doing something either legally or morally wrong which one had no right to do. It always involves dishonesty, illegality, or knowingly exceeding authority for improper reasons. Malfeasance is distinguished from “misfeasance,” which is committing a wrong or error by mistake, negligence or inadvertence, but not by intentional wrongdoing. Example: a city manager putting his indigent cousin on the city payroll at a wage the manager knows is above that allowed and/or letting him file false time cards is malfeasance; putting his able cousin on the payroll which, unknown to him, is a violation of an anti-nepotism statute is misfeasance. This distinction can apply to corporate officers, public officials, trustees, and others cloaked with responsibility. Ladies and gentlemen, this is your president in action. Just think some of the folks on here supports this man’s behaviour.

  • WhiteRose

    I agree with @Mike “…pertinent question is the reality of debt.” Where is the outrage?

    Need to read this thriller ( http://www.booksbyoliver.com ) cause it’s Americans taking a stand now to stop our govt. from destroying our country. A must read after watching our own president work against us & his support for public unions in Wisconsin.

    “If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace. “ Thomas Paine

    Obama’s budget request is a continual policy of liberals. It’s us who have to feed/cloth/house the other half in America. It’s just wrong!

  • WayneT

    What is causing all this uprising in all the countries like, Egypt, Yemen, Libya and all these other Muslin countries. Does it seem strange to anyone after all these years this would only happen after Nobama gets elected to the Whitehouse???? Huh!!!! Maybe it is just my imagination running wild.

  • WayneT

    Hey! I just thought of something. If this president can pick and choose the laws he wants to enforce, maybe if we can get a good
    Conservative President voted in he can choose to ignore the health care law. Sound good!

  • JeffH

    Speaker John A. Boehner, FINALLY confirmed the reality of possible government shutdown in publicly stating that he would not support even a temporary extension of federal funding unless it included serious spending cuts that began to address America’s looming debt crisis, as demanded by a vast majority of the American people. This is a position at odds with Obama and Senate Democrats’ budget spending demands.

    Outrage from the conservative base that elected a new Republican majority to Congress with a mandate for sweeping fiscal reform at episodes of Congressional timidity and vacillation seems to be making some impression on the GOP “leadership.” In announcing his position, Boehner discarded the weak language of compromise that many thought had become inevitable, and left the profligate accommodationists in both chambers stunned and scrambling.

    Keep the pressure on Boehner. Keep reminding him why he is the House Speaker and what is expected of him and the newly elected Republicans…don’t let up!

  • chuckb

    remember when clinton shut the government down and blamed it on gingrich, boehner better stand tall if he forces barry to lock the door and not run and hide like gingrich did.

  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    WayneT>>>> YOU GOT IT, The only thing worth any thing will be
    gold and silver.The dollar, you can paper your bed room with, that
    is if you still have a bed room.

    • bob wire

      Food, water, gun ammo, ~ will someday be more valuable then your gold or silver. ~ and they will not be for sale.

  • Angel

    Thank you everyone for supporting my agenda to gut the American economy to enrich myself, my brother and the other uber billionaires at your expense.

    • JeffH

      In true Marxist fashion you’re obviously adhering to your mentors(Alinsky)philosophy…if you repeat it(lie)enough it then becomes truth…

      “If you push a negative hard and deep enough, it will break through into its counterside… every positive has its negative.”

      “The third rule of ethics of means and ends is that in war the end justifies almost any means….”

      “The seventh rule… is that generally success or failure is a mighty determinant of ethics….”

    • vicki

      Dear David and family. On behalf of the American People I would like to thank you for giving us the choice to buy your products or not. Unlike the government you really DO support freedom. The freedom to CHOOSE what to buy from you. Keep up the good work.

      Of course if we find that you are colluding with the government to restrict your competitors from offering us THEIR choice then we will have a problem with you.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sSg0xjzIec

  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    Bob Wire,
    I do my own homework and as far as the right taking my lunch money,
    the left will be taking more than your lunch money,they will be taking
    your freedom. I see you haven`t even bothered to do your homework,you like most of the left like to shoot your mouth off with out knowing
    the truth. You are either to lazy to find out the truth or just don`t give a damn. That is one reason, your Marxist buddies lost the election
    in 2010 and are going to lose in 2012. More and more people are doing their homework and wakeing up to whats going on in America. Not only,
    Independents but also Democrats. The Democrats are finally realizing
    the Progressives have highjacked their party and believe me they are mad
    as HELL. It will take a combined effort of the Indep, Dems, and Repub
    to run Obama and his thugs out of Washington. Bob, get with the program before it`s to late for you.

    • WayneT

      Charles, my father always told me never argue with an idiot. If you d they will drag you down to their level. I won’t mention any names here, but you will know who I am talking about.

      • WayneT

        Excuse my typos. I hate this gateway Laptop computer. I can’t seem to get use to the keyboard.

        • bob wire

          typo’s have never killed anyone that I know of Wayne but a belly full poison and head full of twisted ideas has.

          You folks are consuming something that I’m not.

          that you think that I should ?, I don’t wish to walk about sick , with a belly full of hate.

          If these must be done, I’ll leave it to you do it!

    • bob wire

      the DNC is an inclusive bunch, they have embraced all American’s and represent all Americans. ~ Even when it was politically costly and embarrassing. ~ The DNC had accept Jesse Jackson’s Rain Bow Coalition, they have honored the position of flaming fairy’s, ~ they have stood tall and defended women and women’s rights to have final control over their bodies as the cost of being seen as baby killers.

      AND NOW you are telling me that the DNC HAS BEEN HYJACKED????????

      I serious doubt if anyone today that refers to themselves as GOP conservatives understands the notion of being hyjacked.

      I think that about half of you have been bite by a Werewolf! As there is clearly a menacing evil that comes and goes about you.

      • vicki

        If the DNC is so all inclusive why do they keep trying to take my guns thus leaving me unprotected from rapists and muggers?

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yq7rgWMFhIQ

        Nice party the DNC.

      • Cawmun Cents

        Didnt a progressive Democrat send you to Viet Nam….Johnson I believe…right?Just wondering.

  • http://www.americaspeakout.com VictorS

    The Communists have won the Cold War

    Think about that. How is it possible that the people backed by the Communist Party USA are now running our nation (into the ground)? How is it possible that after we bankrupted the Soviet Empire into collapse, they are now doing the same to the USA from within the halls of our own government?

    Americans were lulled to sleep by the hypnotic drone, “Communism is dead”. Too many actually believed it. Americans have forgotten the meaning of the word “enemy”. The Communists who swore to “de-develop” the United States, to “tear it all down, man!” are doing just that.

    Obama’s early childhood upbringing was as a Muslim. His transition to adulthood was under the wing of Communist Frank Marshall Davis. He is the reason the US Constitution prohibits any but a Natural Born Citizen from becoming our President no matter HOW stupid the voters are. Obama continues the fight to thwart that Constitutional mandate.

    Americans, the Communists are waging war against you after staging a coup to take over your government.

    They are getting revenge for the collapse of the Soviet Empire.

    Think About It

    • Angel

      You believe whatever hogwash you want to believe while the billionaires keep getting richer. Follow the money, fool!

      • JeffH

        Surprise…another baseless ad hominem attack…

  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    Angel,
    It`s not hog wash.I would rather the millioners take my money than people like Cass Sestein take my freedom. This man is one of the most dangers
    men in the country. He is the Great Ones regulatory czar In case you don`t know who The Great One is. It is none other than Obama The Great.

  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    JeffH,
    I don`t know if it`s true or not but I heard Saul Alansky
    worships the DEVIL>>>>>!!!!!!

    • JeffH

      Charles, Saul Alinsky is dead! Has been since 1972.

      Well, he did dedicate his “Rules for Radicals” to Lucifer.

      Opening page – Dedication
      “Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history… the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom — Lucifer.”

      • bob wire

        Oh really? ~ I just pulled his bio, it have left that part out!

        Seems like a awfully accomplished man to take consideration of Lucifer and demonic worship.

        seems like everyone “O” communicates with is some kind of “evil doer” from you accounting. How can that be?

        and we are left to believe you because?

        • JeffH

          bob O bob, why would it be in his bio when it was an opening page dedication in his “Rules for Radicals”…Duh! Not the sharpest tack in the box ‘ay bob?

          • http://Verizon Bud G.

            Don’t be so hard on Bob Wire. He must have been half asleep or had a little buzz when he wrote his opinion.

        • JeffH

          Maybe because it is true? Oh my!

          Opening page – Dedication
          “Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history… the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom — Lucifer.”

          http://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/communism/alinsky.htm

        • JeffH
        • JeffH

          bob, you ought to know by now I usually have backup, what I consider to be reliable and solid sources.

          There is always gonna be the question by those who disagree as to what is “reliable and solid”.

          On that I would hope we could agree.

        • Cawmun Cents

          OF COURSE,we wouldnt want to think that the left was in league with Satan.Or that radicals are the antithesis of clear thinking proper men.That just wouldnt be prudent would it?

  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    VictorS,
    You have to be talking about Van Jones founder of Storm a Communist org.
    in Oakland Calif.He was brought here by Obama to be is Green czar.One of Obams top advisors ( Valerie Jarett) said they had been watching Mr Jones
    for sometime and recomended him very highly.

  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    Jeff H,
    Sorry, I got Saul Alansky and Cass Sestien mixed up.Thanks for
    pointing that out to me. You are 100% right about Saul Alansky.
    I need to slow down and think what I post. This is something the left
    wing does post things that aren`t true. Sorry again!!!

    • JeffH

      Charles, no apologies needed. Pick your words carefully, don’t let your emotions rule your thoughts, stand up for your beliefs and be accurate…post links to your sources if need be. The Marxists and libs here don’t like facts and providing your sources will usually reduce their arguements to name calling or ridicule. Remember, what you hear isn’t always the truth or the facts. Verify is my rule of thumb when I hear something.

      • JeffH

        Charles, another thing…never put yourself get in a “defensive” position. You don’t have to explain your postion on anything to anybody. A Marxist strategy is to make their “detractors” defend their morals. Marxists don’t have morals!

        The best defense is a solid offense…understand the “enemy”.

        • Cawmun Cents

          The three knows….1.know yourself 2.know your enemy 3.know your environment….

  • http://google mike b.

    THUGS!!!! Calif. voters love misery thats why they keep voting democrat, including a re-tread Gov. Brown , who has already caused years of misery as gov. before. Calif. idiots will never learn, they love liberal democrats, and they are turning their state into a eye-sore, thats trying to bring the rest of the country into m,isery with them. They vote liberal, radical dems 90% of the time and they constantly have the same problems and wonder why. Im convinced Ca. people love misery or else why would they vote dem all the time.

    • WayneT

      Mike, that is why California is so far in debt. I just hope that the morons in the Federal Government does not try to bail them out. They got into this debt on their own, and they can get themselves out. I give people like you my sympathy for living in there.

  • http://google mike b.

    Wayne T. your imagination is very accurate. Its also very strange how the mooslem world riots just 2 years after the United States elects the first pres. named Hussein.

  • http://elliesmiles@hotmail.com Stuck in NY

    How does one buck a Chuck Schummer who refuses phone calls,e-mails and the like. His only agenda is himself. No hope with this ilk.

    • WayneT

      The only ones who can buck him is the voters in his district. I don’t know who they are, but they must be nut cases. I hope they can see this idiot for what he is and boot his butt out the next election.

  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    JeffH
    Thanks!!!!

  • Fly By Night

    Was Obama born in Hawaii USA or was born in Kenya Africa? This is the question for today. :-(

    • Lastmanstanding

      FBN. Check out http://www.exposeobama.com Interview today with Jerome Coursi and his new book that will be out in may. Amazon is already taking orders. Coursi’s work is well documented and highly researched. The book will be damaging to the muslims credibility. i pray that it will help destroy him…

  • Janice Fortin

    why is not every governor in USA saving MILLIONS by forbidding the status of SANCTUARY CITY? Face it, that is nothing more than turning a blind eye to CRMINAL INVADERS WHO ARE IN THE STATE AT THE EXPENSE, AS USUAL, OF THE ALREADY OVERBURDENED TAX PAYER.

    • Deep River Rat

      Janice,This invasion of illegals has went too long.We need the “Change” that Obummer,Clinton and Bush has turn an blind eye on the problem.Our Tax Code is the cancer that creates the political candy bag.We need to let the “Legal Citizens” take control of the money.Answer…FairTax….Go to http://www.fairtax.org and tell your congressman to co-sponser HR-25.

  • Janice Fortin

    Are the borders closed? hell no. immigrants roving frm so. america don’t stay in mexico. hell no. WHY WHEN THEY KNOW , AS CRIMINAL INVADERS,

  • Janice Fortin

    CONTINUED…. SORRY ABOUT THE ERROR…….TO CONTINUE, AS CRIMINAL INVADERS, they are defended more by obama than U.S.CITIZENS EVER ARE. and now another MUSLIM IS ALREADY ATTEMPTING TO MAKE BOMBS.
    CONGRESS MUST MAKE THE DECISION TO SAVE AMERICA THAT OBAMA REFUSES TO MAKE: REFUSE ALL MUSLIMS ENTRY TO AMERICA. FOOL AMERICANS! START DEPORTING. YOU WILL THEN WITNESS THE FASTEST STOP TO ISLAMIC TERRORISM. DON’T EXPECT ACTION FROM THE OVAL OFFICE WHO DISCUSSES
    “HIS MUSLIM FAITH” WITH THE PRESS. START DEPORTING (1) ENTIRE MOSQUE
    AT A TIME AND ISLAMIC TERRORISM WILL STOP ON A DIME. PLEASE TAKE SPECIAL NOTE THAT THE PRESIDENT OF GASPING AMERICA AND HIS WIFE SPEND
    AMERICAN MONEY AT AN INSANELY FEVER PITCH! stop heat to poor AMERICANS, but EDUCATE, MEDICATE AND SUPPORT CRIMINAL INVADERS. and when they rob and MURDER, PENALIZE THE AMERICAN TAX PAYER AGAIN BY SUPPORTING THEM IN PRISON. I LIKE IKE: EMPTY THE PRISONS AND LOAD ALL CRIMINAL INVADERS ON SHIPS AND UNLOAD THEM Past the southern border of MEXICO. DO IT AND YOU MIGHT BALANCE THE BUDGET.

  • Raggs

    Well… When hippo “mice”hell or some would call michelle obama got control of her pimp daddies pants ( barrack ) aka smack daddy.
    The watermelons ran off to the other side of the hill.

    Sounds like a rascist statement but…
    The truth is this anti-christ has only one vision and that is power.

  • Raggs

    obama is the de-facto leader of the EU.
    The world leader… look it up!
    The uprise is the east is his nest egg.. It is his step to power..

  • Raggs

    Interesting that I have heard many in the church say that nobody will know who the desolate one will be until the tribulation when he reveals himself to be above God.

    I find that as the ones that are lost in that time will not know but for the ones that have God in their heart I believe we can see.

    Reason being… The Bible outlines everything that one needs to know about the second victory / coming of Christ and what will lead up to that time.. Also mentioned is everything that one needs to know about satan and how he becomes in power through the anti-christ in the earth prior to Christ return. To me the people that say they don’t know are the ones that don’t want to know.

  • Ridge Runner

    Vigilant I belive me and you would get along fine togather we seem to share some of the same beliefs.Not every one has the ability to do good at taking care of themselfs and family but they are obligated to try not sit on their ass with their hand out decrying these greedy rich people that is paying all the taxes that is keeping them up.I am not rich by no means but so far live comfortably on social security and a smsll savings account.I done this by working 6&7 days a week and 8 to 16 hours a day.There was one week that i remember working 98 hours.The last 5or6 years that i worked i made 65.000 to 75,000 per year so you can see why i get a case of red ass when the government wants to let these illegals into the country and give them all these freebes.and i don’t think these damn drug additcs should get help unless they pass a drug test and take schooling to learn enough to get a job.we also need to stop or seriously cut wellfare for these walking talking baby factorys be they legal or illegal citizens. If illegal they should be deported and obummer AND his jail house crew with them as he’s the one creating this problem. There should never be a woman with more than two children on wellfare if she is un wed.I haven’t drank abeer in over 29 years but i could drink one with you on this.

    • Vigilant

      I don’t drink much at all, but sometimes a good beer between friends is just what the doctor ordered. Here’s to you, sir!

      • Warlord X

        Gentlemen, I propose to buy the first round, if you’ll allow me to join you.
        DE OPPRESSO LIBER

  • Ridge Runner

    I know there is alot of people that won’t agree with me but we need to stop the world from having more people with this mentality and these morals. And speaking about morals how in the hell did we wind up with people like the clintons and obama in our white house. It is mind boggling as to why the people voted these people to the highest office in america.It doesn’t say much for the voters.

  • terry

    again i say the Pope should be sent the bill for all the Mexicans coming into the USA, it is his flock and the Pope should be held accountable for his flock that’s jump out of their pasture. Make the Pope pay for them I say….. And get them back in their pasture ASAP

  • jopa

    Charles you are just too funny.Perhaps you can get Saul Alinsky to speak at the next republican shindig.But you may have to make arrangements through Sarah Palins witch doctor or perhaps you could go to Delaware to get a real witch to bring him back.

  • jopa

    WayneT You are correct,only an idiot would buy a gateway laptop computer.Have you gotten used to your’s yet.

  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    Jopa ,
    Saul Alansky is dead.(1972) However, I would rather have you as the
    speaker. Come join us, please…. jopa!!!

  • Dave

    Let me get this straight. The last election was about jobs,jobs,jobs. To get the economy going, which will increase revenues (which is the real problem). That now seems to have become just cut spending so that we can die more slowly. Here are some CEA estimates of Job-Years Created by Different Types of Fiscal Stimulus.
    $100 billion of government spending creates 1,085,355job-years. .
    $100 billion of tax cuts creates 687,991 job-years.
    $100 billion of state fiscal relief creates 857,610 jobs
    Obama tried to do the 1st one on this list (the most effective one on this list). Through his ARRA program which also included fiscal relief for states. (The 2nd most effective way). The party of “no” started whining. Just like they did when FDR tried to during the great depression, which is one of the reasons it took so long. He didn’t want to do the second on this list which is the least effective but the party of “no” started whining. So he said O.K. we’ll just extend the Bush tax cuts to the bottom 97% since they will spend it. (The top 3% don’t invest in a downturn as we are aware. until the recovery is well under way). The corporate Nazi party again said “no”. So he said O.K. You are all still whining. Like a little baby who’s mother won’t let them play with matches, or swallow a marble.
    The remark about Obama having the largest debt over all presidents before him is true of all presidents. Since the debt always goes up, doesn’t each president have a larger debt than all the preceding presidents? What is more important is Real Debt. (debt adjusted for inflation) per GDP.
    Finally your analogy about the man with cancer is inaccurate. This problem is curable. At least I hope it’s not too late. But some times you have to go through ravaging chemotherapy (spending) to get cured.
    A college student, or medical student has to spend a lot on education too acquire a much better life later on. He has to be frugal, and not squander it, like Bush did with Iraq, corporate welfare (especially oil companies) and tax breaks for those who don’t need them, but he has to invest something wisely or he will go nowhere.

    • Dave

      Also on Immigration, The corporate nazis love slave labor which is why Bush and his Republican Congress did nothing while they had total control for 6 yrs! They just increased border patrols (which did very little). to appease you guys.

    • JeffH

      Dave, sober up man!

      CBO: Jobs Created and Saved By Stimulus Cost At Minimum An Average of $228,055 Each
      Thursday, February 24, 2011
      (CNSNews.com) – The jobs created and saved by the economic stimulus law that President Barack Obama signed on Feb. 17, 2009 cost at a minimum an average of $228,055 each, according to data released yesterday by the Congressional Budget Office (CBO).

      In a report released Wednesday—“Estimated Impact of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act on Employment and Economic Output from October Through December 2010”—the CBO said it now estimates the stimulus law cost a total of $821 billion, up from CBO’s original estimate that the stimulus would cost $787 billion.

  • jopa

    Charles;You would have a much better chance of getting Saul.

    • Vigilant

      And, as a corpse, he would certainly speak more truth and sense than you do.

      • Vigilant

        That comment intended for jopa.

  • jopa

    Dave;Without strong unions a slave labor force is the outcome.ALL American workers will become slaves to the corporate greed.This trickle down thing isn’t working too good for the last twelve years.However Rolla Royce,Rolex,Italian yachts and multi-million dolar home sales are on the rise.

    • John the Libertarian

      and class warfare and jealousy has gotten us anywhere, jopa???? Since when??? and b4 you mention societal progress having been made, just remember, THEY ALL CAME IN CAPITALISTIC SYSTEMS…

    • vicki

      jopa says:
      “Dave;Without strong unions a slave labor force is the outcome.ALL American workers will become slaves to the corporate greed.”

      Obviously false. For your statement to be true all of the people not in unions who are making really good money would not be able to. All of the electronics industry for instance.

      Now when you toss in government (Crony Capitalism) the chance of American workers becoming slaves increases. Add direct government taxation and you have American workers working till August of each year to pay their taxes. If you don’t pay they come for you with guns. THAT is slavery.

      http://www.fiscalaccountability.org/?content=cogdteas10#

    • http://?? Joe H.

      jopa,
      What about all the people that unions cause to lose their jobs? Even the police! There was an article in the paper here today that the sherrifs office has lost 39 people due to layoffs and not replacing retirees. the union in a lot of cases has bargainede by threat too much retirement, too much pay, too many benefite to the point that communities as well as private employers can’t afrford to keep people on! Look at GM, how many have they laid off in the last ten years?? How much have their employment costs gone up?? What good is your job security if the company goes under??

  • jopa

    vicki vicki vicki;It was the unions that lead the way for decent wage, vacation, weekends off,health insurance and all the other good things about working in America.Do a little research on unions to see how working conditions improved for the miners,construction and sweat shop workers.Again I am retired and it is not about me but more for our grandchildren.About the most despicable person I can think of at the moment would be a scab.

    • Vicki

      Jopa. It was unions that enslaved a LOT of workers by promising them goodies and threatening those who did not join. Then the unions took the money for the union bosses. Amongst other things unions caused the prices of products to be much higher because the cost of labor kept being raised by the unions.

      Unions interfere with the basic structure of Capitalism by using the most basic law of economics against it. Unions artificially lower the supply of workers thus increasing the price against an unchanged demand. Now if unions had not used threats and violence against those who wanted to work (You showed your position by calling them scabs) then I might have been tolerant of their claimed lofty goals.

      Some of that “history” you wanted me to study.
      Morgan Reynolds, former chief economist at the U.S. Department of Labor, Power and Privilege: Labor Unions in America (p. 48):
      “A union’s problem is painfully obvious: organized strikers must shut down the enterprise, close the market to everyone else—uncooperative workers, union members, disenchanted former strikers, and employers—in order to force wages and working conditions above free-market rates. If too many individuals defy the strikers . . . then unionists often resort to force. Unionists ultimately cannot impose noncompetitive wage rates . . . unless they can prevent employers from hiring consenting adults on terms that are mutually satisfactory. Unions must actively interfere with freedom of trade in labor markets in order to deliver on their promises.”
      http://mises.org/daily/1604

      There are 44 MILLION hits in google for “history of union violence”.
      Perhaps you should follow your own advice.

  • Angel

    Dear Citizens of the United States of America,

    It has come to our attention that the brothers, David and Charles Koch–the billionaire owners of Koch Industries–have longattempted to usurp American Democracy. Their actions to undermine the legitimate political process in Wisconsin are thefinal straw. Starting today we fight back.

    Koch Industries, and oligarchs like them, have most recently started to manipulate the political agenda in Wisconsin.Governor Walker’s union-busting budget plan contains a clause that went nearly un-noticed. This clause would allow the saleof publicly owned utility plants in Wisconsin to private parties (specifically, Koch Industries) at any price, no matter howlow, without a public bidding process. The Koch’s have helped to fuel the unrest in Wisconsin and the drive behind the bill toeliminate the collective bargaining power of unions in a bid to gain a monopoly over the state’s power supplies.

    The Koch brothers have made a science of fabricating ‘grassroots’ organizations and advertising campaigns to support them inan attempt to sway voters based on their falsehoods. Americans for Prosperity, Club for Growth and Citizens United are justa few of these organizations. In a world where corporate money has become the lifeblood of political influence, the labor unions are one of the few ways citizens have to fight against corporate greed. Anonymous cannot ignore the plight of thecitizen-workers of Wisconsin, or the opportunity to fight for the people in America’s broken political system. For these reasons, we feel that the Koch brothers threaten the United States democratic system and, by extension, all freedom-lovingindividuals everywhere. As such, we have no choice but to spread the word of the Koch brothers’ political manipulation, their single-minded intent and the insidious truth of their actions in Wisconsin, for all to witness.

    Anonymous hears the voice of the downtrodden American people, whose rights and liberties are being systematicallyremoved one by one, even when their own government refuses to listen or worse – is complicit in these attacks. We are actively seeking vulnerabilities, but in the mean time we are calling for all supporters of true Democracy, and Freedom of The People, to boycott all Koch Industries’ paper products.

    We welcome unions across the globe to join us in this boycott to show that you will not allow big business to dictate your freedom.

    U.S. Product Boycott List:

    Vanity Fair
    Quilted Northern
    Angel Soft
    Sparkle
    Brawny
    Mardi Gras
    Dixie

    European Product Boycott List:
    Demak’Up
    Kitten Soft
    Lotus /
    Lotus Soft
    Tenderly
    Nouvelle Soft
    Okay Ktchen Towels
    Colhogar
    Delica
    Inversoft
    Tutto

    To identify these brands, please look for the following logo anywhere on the packaging

    Anonymous. We are Legion.
    We do not forgive.
    We do not forget.
    Expect us.

    • JeffH

      ooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhh! What a statement! Have at it. Boycot all you want of those evil Koch Bros products…oooohhhhh! You liberal hacks much prefer the money and support from George Soros and his many anti-American organizations that have bought and turned the Democrats into a party of Socialists…this is what you support although you’d never admit it.

      Support your national SEIU… Union Democracy Group Says SEIU’s New ‘Ethics Commission’ a Scam. The Service Employee International Union (SEIU) has been embroiled in scandal over misuse of funds in California and Michigan. Recently Stern announced that the SEIU was setting up an internal ethics commission to look into allegations of fraud and abuse of funds. But, this sham effort to root out corruption is so transparent that even other pro-union groups are skeptical that Stern is seriously trying to stamp out corruption. But, this sham effort to root out corruption is so transparent that even other pro-union groups are skeptical that Stern is seriously trying to stamp out corruption.

      The Association for Union Democracy issued a press release scolding Stern for his obvious attempt to cover up, rather than root out, corruption in the SEIU.
      http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2008/09/12/union-democracy-group-says-seius-new-ethics-commission-a-scam/

      Unions Try to Buy Republican Support – The National Journal has an interesting little account of the Service Employee International Union (SEIU) and the National Education Association (NEA) and a few others trying to warm up to Republicans soft on worker freedom.

      Under Stern, the SEIU is making a concerted effort to build bridges with the GOP, and for the first time ever it helped to finance a Republican convention by giving $50,000 to the host committee. Furthermore, the SEIU wrote a $25,000 check to the Republican Governors Association and gave about $10,000 to the Republican Main Street Partnership.

      If your representatives in Congress or in your home state are suddenly finding their palms filled with union cash, take a close look at why. Unions won’t be just dispensing cash freely and without strings attached, remember.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Angel,
      Thank you for the list!!!! now I know which products to BUY!!!! I’d rather support the koch brothers any day than good ole’ Soreass!!!

      • JeffH

        Hear Hear!

      • Vigilant

        LOL! I was just going to post that when I saw you had already arrived on the scene!

  • Lou Sarah

    List of Koch Bros. products to boycott

    So, the corporate whores have succeeded in “taking their country” back and now corporate lobbyists and apologists are set to take committee chairmanships to help screw over the American middle-class in the next two years. This situation would not have occurred without the so-called grassroots “Tea Party” which were actually bankrolled by the Koch Brothers (who are sons of Fred Koch, one of the charter members of the John Birch Society). The Koch Brothers are two “self made” wealthy industrialists who owe their immense wealth due partly to lucking out in the genetic lottery, but also to billions of dollars in government subsidies they receive for their oil and gas, lumber, energy, and other resource-dependent companies that could not survive in a “true” free market without such support. Yes, that’s right, the same folks behind the virulent “limited government” and “cut entitlement spending” screeds this past election cycle, wholly survive by sucking away at the government’s teat to ensure their wealth at the expense of economic security for the rest of us.

    Well, although the election has passed and the results that the Kochs were putting the money down have materialized, we can still choose to vote with our dollars. The following is a list of Koch Brothers products with a simple suggestion that when you’re at the store and you’re about to purchase one of these products, just take a moment and instead by a similar product that is just to the side. It is really very easy to boycott Koch Bros products, it only takes a few seconds during your routine shopping trip. Just because they gobble up our tax dollars in their huge maw doesn’t mean they need to take our discretionary dollars as well. “The power of the marketplace”- isn’t it a fun thing?

    • JeffH

      Soros MoveOn.org: “We Bought” the Democratic Party
      FrontPageMagazine.com | Friday, December 10, 2004

      In a December 9th e-mail signed by “Eli Pariser, Justin Ruben, and the whole MoveOn PAC team,” the Soros front group stated: “In the last year, grassroots contributors like us gave more than $300 million to the Kerry campaign and the DNC, and proved that the Party doesn’t need corporate cash to be competitive. Now it’s our Party: we bought it, we own it, and we’re going to take it back.”

      To clarify, the hysterical Left believes not only that America’s oldest political party is for sale, but that George Soros has already made the down payment.

      Such a view would line up with Soros’ own designs. The New Yorker’s Jane Mayer (no conservative, she) quotes an unidentified friend describing the billionaire leftist’s modus operandi: “Money is just a tool for him. It’s how he manipulates a lot of things in his life.” Soros spent $18 million in his attempt to buy this year’s presidential election. Now he’s setting his sights a little lower, but his desire to “manipulate” our democracy remains.

      MoveOn has set up a campaign urging its followers to warn party officials against electing a centrist. Such a scenario, the e-mail assures, is a political loser. “Under outgoing DNC chair Terry McAuliffe, the Party cozied up to many of the same corporate donors that fund the Republicans… The result was watered down, play-it-safe politics that kept the money flowing but alienated traditional Democrats as well as reform-minded independents in search of vision and integrity. And so the Party lost ground.”

      Aside from Stalinist-like references to “the Party,” the most striking feature of the e-mail is its historical amnesia: it was exactly this formula that allowed Democrats to twice win the presidency.

      Hey liberals, these are the people pushing the your buttons, directing your fight, using you like the flock of sheeple you are and you aimlessly follow…but instead of the usual bah, bah ,bah, the new sounds are a gutteral Koch, Koch, Koch…Why?…Because they told you to!

    • JeffH

      ….continued…When asked why he dedicated so much of his personal fortune into opposing President Bush, Soros said, “This is the most important election of my lifetime. These aren’t normal times. ‘The ends justify every legal means’ possible.” Presumably, including buying a political party. Having already “bought” the party, Soros now wants the Democrats to pick someone who will allow him to act as its absentee owner. He wants to place the party formally under the control of the Shadow Party.

      “I want my ideas to be heard,” Soros has pined. If MoveOn PAC successfully influences the party faithful in choosing the DNC chair, Soros’ ideas may find a new outlet. That may represent a great return on investment for George Soros, but it would be disastrous for Democrats…and America.
      http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=10256

  • http://com i41

    Again you Onumnutt crotch hangers don’t mention all the pedophile goat abusing muslims the marxist muslim moron has moved in here that are to damn lazy to work. No need to, Onumnutt brought Palistinian terrorists here for the taxpayers to pick up the tab for anything they wanted, don’t forget the Somialias, Yemenias, and any other niggaredly sand crac his perv lovers could gather up, wheather with student visas or just because some liked camels more than goats.

  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    Jopa,
    Your not a very good sport.You are the best joker on the blog.
    I think you would be a great speaker at our Rt wing meetings,
    afterall, you are a deciple of Saul Alinsky`s,as is your master,
    King Obama.

  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    Since you left wing loons don`t like the Koch Bros. Well, I don`t like
    Andy Stern or Richard Trumka. So there!!!

  • JeffH

    A great list of groups supported by New World Order proponent, and owner of the Democratic Party, George Soros. This man is despised the world over, yet the Democrats run to him when they need donations.
    http://scottystarnes.wordpress.com/2010/08/22/george-soros-the-one-who-owns-the-democratic-party/

    Please continue reading the list and educate yourself about this evil douchebag named George Soros. Obama and the Democrats are tied deeply to Soros and his corrupt organizations. Obama bitches about corporations donating money during elections but says nothing about all the corrupt corporations owned by Soros. As well, Obama gave Brazil’s Petrobras $2 billion to drill for oil off their coast. Guess who is the major shareholder of Petrobras? George Soros.

  • JeffH

    Propaganda being shown in schools – “The Story of Stuff”
    The NYT’s had a front page story on this in May about what a hit it’s become in the classroom! According to the NYT’s over 7,000 American schools or churches have ordered the video.

    Where some schools have banned the video, teachers are assigning their students to go to You Tube to watch the video. Additionally, this video is also being used in schools outside of the U.S. Anything to promote the evil Americans.

    And who has produced this video? The Tides Foundation which is a part of the axis of George Soros, this group is in bed with SEIU, ACORN and the Appollo Group. All are members of Obama’s inner circle.

    This is what the so-called Progressives want to teach your children and you need to pay attention.
    http://bearcreekledger.com/2009/09/22/propaganda-being-shown-in-schools-the-story-of-stuff/

    • Vigilant

      JeffH,

      That video is an eye opener. While it makes good points in a few places (such as the ubiquity of chemicals and toxins in our everyday life), the bulk of it is the anti-capitalism screed we so often hear from the left.

      And of course the usual half-truths, such as “only 4% of the forests are left in America.” What a crock! Let’s just ignore the facts that (1) wood is renewable energy, (2) there are more trees in America now than there were a century ago, and (3) lumber companies plant more than they take.

      The BIGGEST lie was the “government’s job is to take care of us.” That’s one dangerous canard.

      If this is as popular in churches as in schools where it hasn’t been banned, it confirms what I heard about the leftist infiltration of religion, their new tool for “social justice.” So much for separation of church and state.

      As I’ve said many times, everyone worries abbout the cost of achool budgets, no one worries about the propaganda they’re cramming into our kids, heads. It’s only a matter of time…

  • JeffH

    Far Left Finanacing of Widespread Voter Fraud
    Most people just assume that the constitutional tenet of one person – one vote is a given. Unfortunately, this is far from reality and many elections are being significantly influenced or bought/stolen by well financed and orchestrated schemes that largely seem to arise from the far left.

    Who are these groups and individuals that seek to manipulate elections to facilitate the victory of their far left candidates? Generally they are well known names like George Soros, SEIU and ACORN.

  • JeffH

    Public Union Corruption and Profligacy Widespread
    The following report detailing the extravagant spending of the United Federation of Teachers (UFT) in New York reveals a culture of profligacy, hedonism and irresponsibility. This is money that could have been spent on education of children ore remained in the taxpayer’s pockets.

    In Wisconsin, where the public unions are claiming their rights are being violated, they too have plenty examples of corruption and waste – in addition to the decreasing test scores of their students. How about a $600,000 bill paid by the taxpayers for one year’s worth of Viagra?

    UFT spends millions on dinners, parties, parking, coffee as thousands of teachers face layoffs…
    As nearly 5,000 city teachers face the ax, their union shells out millions of dollars on feasting, boozing and partying, the Daily News has learned.

    Free-spending United Federation of Teachers brass last year spent nearly $1.4 million for the UFT’s 50th anniversary gala at the Hilton – complete with a movie, a book and a paperweight

    Records show they:
    • Ponied up $514,000 to 16 separate caterers.
    • Dropped $278,417 on the annual Teachers Union Day ceremony at the Waldorf-Astoria.
    • Bought $6,100 in gift baskets from a lower East Side candy store – and plowed $179,000 into training retreats at a Connecticut resort boasting golf, scuba diving and aqua aerobics.

    In one amazing feat of spending, they shelled out $114,870 for annual “coffee supplies” at their five offices across the city – paying the Coffee Distributing Corp. on Long Island $324,000 over three years, records show.

    And while most New Yorkers spend hours trying to find a parking space, the UFT rents 25 slots in Brooklyn’s Renaissance Plaza Garage for members at an average annual cost of $75,000 over three years.

    UFT president Michael Mulgrew defended the lavish expenditures of his union, saying they were for the benefit of members.
    “I’m not going to apologize for spending money to service our members,” said UFT President Michael Mulgrew.

    The $284,078-a-year union boss got a little more than coffee when he took the reins in August 2009. Drawing from an annual honeypot of $126 million in members’ dues, the union last year flung open the spigots even as it took fire for protecting dismal teachers and fighting reforms.

    Documented in the UFT’s 2010 annual report to the U.S. Labor Department are details of the union’s “Golden Jubilee,” a gala bash last March that drew 2,500 members of the “UFT family.”

    It cost to $679,246 for the event at the Hilton New York.

    To mark the milestone for posterity, a CUNY TV Foundation crew was paid $220,000 to film the documentary “UFT: Celebrating 50 Years,” and all attendees got a DVD.

    The UFT paid a printer $262,406 for a special book and anniversary journal. Paperweights emblazoned with the UFT logo cost $46,333. Balloons, $20,000 for entertainment and other expenses brought the tally to $1.4 million, filings show.
    http://www.saveyourrights.com/category/corruption/

    • Vigilant

      When you give the lefties those hard facts, they put their fingers in their ears and hum. Since they’re blind already, I guess that makes them “hear no truth, see no truth, speak nothing but evil.”

  • chuckb

    isn’t it strange, some people make slanderous remarks about the tea party and the koch bros financing it and of their financing the john birch society. so what! i never saw or heard the birchers tearing down the u.s.a like some of the left wing progressives. in fact i would prefer the birchers to any of our present day left wingers.

    • JeffH

      chuckb, exactly…that’s what I’m sayin’.

  • JeffH

    “Give me Liberty or Give me death” is not an anachronistic chant as tens of millions of Americans have become thoroughly disgusted with our contemptuous, profligate, over-taxing, somewhat omnipotent federal government that has become too corrupted in the Progressive/Liberal design.

    Just a little more than two years ago, liberals were ecstatic about Barack Obama’s election and Democrats’ control of Congress. Liberal pundits were all atwitter about the brand new Democratic Era that voters had ushered in. America would finally become what America should have been years ago…a European-style social democracy.

    With very little hindsight needed, it’s apparent to all but ideologically-blinkered liberals that the Democrats’ gross overreach isn’t what voters wanted or expected.

    But here’s the real kicker. Two years of the Obama-Reid-Pelosi overreach and excesses may have been the table-setter for the real revolution now unfolding. Voters and taxpayers first needed to see the irresponsibility and recklessness of unalloyed liberalism to appreciate that conservative government is far superior. Thank you, Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi, and Harry Reid.

    Thomas Jefferson is being proven right again. The states are the laboratories of democracy. Christie, Kasich, and Walker are seeking to demonstrate that limited, financially responsible government is best for economic and societal health. If successful — and we should all have high confidence that these governors will succeed — the lessons will not be lost on voters and politicians in other states. Revolutions are like that; it takes just a few courageous leaders to embolden others and for revolutions to spread.

    A marvelous, if unintended, consequence of this burgeoning conservative revolution is what it’s doing to liberalism. The budding conservative revolution is starting to place strains on liberalism; beginning to make liberals and their allies fight defensive battles in multiple — and multiplying — places.

    Challenging liberal governance, and pressing limited government reforms, will help bring down liberalism across the nation. And that should be an indisputable aim of the new conservative revolution. Liberalism became a pox on the nation years ago. Marginalizing liberalism would be an incomparable service to generations to come.
    http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/02/the_real_revolution_has_begun.html

    • Vigilant

      How times change. Jefferson was once lauded as the father of the Democratic Party. You don’t hear that any more, since he advocated small government and maximum individual freedom. When the Party lost touch with Jefferson, they then turned on him and attempted to tarnish his image since he was a slaveholder.

      It is now the conservative movement that honors his legacy, certainly not as a slaveholder, but as one of the architects of the greatest nation ever to exist on earth. It is the leftist Demos who would replace the fresh air of freedom with the fetid stench of statism.

  • JeffH

    JStreet, an up-and-coming pro-Israel lobbying group, has attracted criticism from both its detractors and its usual supporters for allegedly making misleading statements about one of its top financial backers.

    The liberal group’s Web site suggested that J Street had received no funding from George Soros, the wealthy philanthropist who serves as a bete noire for many conservatives. It also said that donors were “primarily individual Jewish Americans” and that it “accepts no funding from foreign governments or from foreign organizations.”

    But confidential tax records mistakenly made public by the Internal Revenue Service seemed to undermine those characterizations – causing a major public relations problem for the fledgling group, which has enjoyed regular access to the White House and senior Obama administration officials.

    The tax records, which were discovered by the conservative Washington Times newspaper, showed that Soros and his family had contributed $245,000 to J Street in 2008, and J Street President Jeremy Ben-Ami acknowledged that the group has received $500,000(from Soros) more since then as part of a three-year gift.

    • Vigilant

      There’s more to it than what we see on the surface, I’m sure. What mystifies me is the Soros connection with a lobby that ostensibly stands for a cause you wouldn’t normally associate with him.

      Many may disagree, but I think Israel, as a shining beacon of democratic government in the middle of dictatorships, ia a nation that deserves all the support we can give.

  • JeffH

    Who’s funding the Obamacare Astroturf campaign?
    If you believe the White House, there are 30 million Americans who support a government health care takeover. But if you look at the funding behind the Obamacare Astroturf campaign, it’s the same few Leftist billionaires, union bosses, and partisan community organizers pushing the socialized medicine agenda.

    A national “grass-roots” coalition called “Health Care for America Now (HCAN)” marched on Capitol Hill to demand universal health care. The ground troops didn’t have to march very far. HCAN, you see, is no heartland network. It is headquartered at 1825 K Street in Washington, D.C. – smack dab in the middle of Beltway lobby land.

    In fact, 1825 K Street is Ground Zero for a plethora of “progressive” groups subsidized by anti-war, anti-Republican, Big Nanny special interests. It’s most prominent tenants form an abbreviated who’s who of well-funded allies of the Democratic Party… Big money from unions such as the Service Employees International Union (SEIU) and the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees, as well as the Internet-fueled MoveOn, has provided groups like those at 1825 K Street the wherewithal to mount huge campaigns.”

    MoveOn, of course, is the recreational political vehicle of radical liberal sugar daddy George Soros. The magnate’s financial fingerprints are all over the HCAN coalition, which includes MoveOn; the action fund of the Center for American Progress (a Soros think tank); and the Campaign for America’s Future (a pro-welfare state lobbying outfit).

    And two more left-wing heavyweights joining the HCAN parade: the corruption-riddled SEIU (which has battled numerous embezzlement scandals among its chapters across the country while crusading for consumer and patients’ rights) and Obama’s old chums at fraud-riddled ACORN, the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now.

    ACORN and HCAN are linked by left-wing philanthropist Drummond Pike, who heads the non-profit Tides Foundation/Tides Center. As the tax disclaimer for HCAN discloses, “HCAN is related to Health Care for America Education Fund, a project of The Tides Center, a section 501(c)(3) public charity.”
    http://michellemalkin.com/2009/06/24/who%e2%80%99s-funding-the-obamacare-astroturf-campaign/

  • JeffH

    Along With NPR, Soros Groups Get Millions in Taxpayer Funds.
    Taxpayer money is helping to fund the progressive anti-American Soros’ assault on America.

    What is less well known is that Soros’ private foundations also receive millions in taxpayer funds.

    NLPC’s obtained documents through the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) showing that between 2001 and 2007 USAID awarded grants totaling $18.3 million to the Open Society Institute, the Soros Foundation Kazakhstan and the Alliance for Open Society International, all Soros-affiliated groups. In addition, USAID and the US State Department have given millions of dollars to Soros’ nonprofits to operate education programs and other “civil society” initiatives in various nations. From 2001 to 2007 USAID and State Department grants to the Soros nonprofit network totaled at least $25.6 million.

    USAID was more than defensive about the grants. It took 21 months for the agency to respond to NLPC’s FOIA requests. USAID only turned over the documents after NLPC retained a lawyer and threatened legal action. Our request for an investigation by the USAID Inspector General was ignored.

    In October 2007, NLPC asked the Inspector General of the United States Agency for International Development (USAID) to investigate the possibility that the agency was violating federal law. Our request came in the wake of the publication of our Special Report titled Soros Groups Receive Taxpayer Funds: State Department Collaborates in Skirting of U.S. Law Against Promoting Drug Use and Prostitution.

    It is not known, nor is it easy to find out, how much taxpayer money has flowed to Soros’ groups since 2007. Because of their close and longstanding relationship with the State Department, it has likely continued.

    Soros is a proponent of drug and prostitution legalization. He is free to hold these views, but why is he entitled to a taxpayer subsidy to promote them? It is positively outrageous that taxpayer are forced to fund the political projects of billionaire. The new Congress must investigate and eliminate all funding to Soros’ groups.
    http://www.nlpc.org/stories/2010/10/21/along-npr-soros-groups-receive-millions-taxpayer-funds-1

    • JeffH

      Oh Angel and Lou Sarah…me thinks you’re targeting the wrong people for corruption and manipulating American politics unless, of course, you believe in the continued erosion of our Constitution and our free Republic. You freely use the word democracy but you’re supporting communism…go figure…

  • JeffH

    Teamsters National Organizer, Jo Ann Duffy, Sentenced for Embezzlement
    Seattle Glass Molders Treasurer International Union Local 50,, Poutoa Tuiolemotu, Charged with Embezzlement
    Postal Workers Local 709 Treasurer, Kim Hirschkorn, in Washington State Charged with embezzlement
    Minnesota, Jonathan Thompson, former secretary-treasurer of Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers and Trainmen Division 333 Sentenced for Fraud…
    Locomotive Engineers Treasurer, Cory Carroll, in Minnesota Sentenced for theft from the Albert Lea-based union.
    New Jersey Carpenters Local 455 Business Manager,Shawn Clark, Sentenced for Theft.
    Chicago SEIU Local Leaders Probed for Terror Links…Last September 24, FBI agents raided residences in Illinois, Minnesota and Michigan of more than a dozen radical activists in an effort to connect them to the Hamas (Gaza and the West Bank) and FARC (Colombia) guerrilla movements. Two of the occupants were SEIU Local 73 chief steward and executive board member Joe Iosbaker and former local board member-steward Tom Burke.
    Office Manager Mechelle Busse, aka Mechelle Singleton,of Mississippi Plumbers Local 568 Pleads Guilty to embezzling slightly over $110,000 in funds from the Gulfport union.
    Was GM/UAW Behind Toyota Bashing? A ten month investigation came to the conclusion that there were no electronic flaws that led to accidents involving Toyota vehicles. The causes were attributed to driver error and sticky accelerator pedals and floor mats. These were the exact causes that Toyota pointed to when congressional leaders decided to attack the automaker at a time when General Motors was struggling to regain sales after exiting its bankruptcy.
    Steelworkers Local 4845 Financial Secretary, Nickolas Weihert, in Wisconsin Pleads Guilty to Embezzlement.
    Treasury Employees Union Benefits Coordinator , Tamara Schultz, Pleads Guilty of theft.
    Wisconsin Maintenance of Way Local 2857 Secretary, Frank Kmiec, Pleads Guilty to making false entries in union financial records in connection with his theft of union funds.
    CWA Local 38187 Treasurer, Antonio Jordan, in Pennsylvania Sentenced for Theft.
    Kansas Retail-Wholesale Workers Local 184L Secretary, Tammy Allen, Indicted for bank fraud.
    http://www.nlpc.org/union-corruption-update

  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    JeffH,
    Good job, I said all long that union leaders were nothing but
    a bunch of thugs and free loaders. Andy Stern expresident of
    SEIU left his union over 65 million in debt.He has since been
    appointed by Obama to Obams Deficit Commison. He also gave the
    Progressive party over 80 million dollars to help Obama get
    elected and to get Obama care passed. If I was a Republican or
    Independent and was a member of SEIU,I would be pissed knowing
    my hard earned dues were being spent in this maner. I don`t
    even want to get into Richard Tramka at this time.(President
    AFLCIO) I`ll save that for another time.

  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    JeffH,
    George Soros and Cass Sestein are two of the most dangerous
    people in America. Also, Soros conection to the Rothschilds,the father
    Jacob and his son Anthony. These are two Britts to be reconed with. I also understand, that our Fed chairman, Ben Bernake, is a cousin of the Rothschilds.
    You figure it.

  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    JeffH,
    You did a great job. If people would take heed in what you put together,
    Obama and his left-wing goons would be ran not only out of Washington,but out of the country. What you put together is all true and it`s all out there for the people to find out for themselves. You uncover one thing
    and it leads to another and another and on and on.It`s like a giant puzzle.

    • JeffH

      Charles, there is so much to connect…it’s unbelievable…it’s real and it’s there.

  • jopa

    Jeffh;All your cut and paste crap I really don’t think anyone reads it except for a few welfare recipients with nothing else to do.As to going to some of the sites you recommended in the past they were just nazi and KKK sites loaded with viruses and I don’t trust them enough to go there try and figure out your mental deficiencies.

    • JeffH

      jopa, that’s what I like about you libs. Overwhelm you with relevant information and you self destruct, make personal attacks…I think we’re aware of who’s spreading the lies and misinformation around here. As for websites with viruses…I don’t go there…I get warning notices from my anti-virus protection,

      As for mental deficiencies?…re-read your comments…LMAO!

    • Vicki

      Jopa writes:
      “I don’t trust them enough to go there try and figure out your mental deficiencies.”

      Thats the best counterargument you have? Debate win to JeffH

    • http://?? Joe H.

      jopa,
      If you can’t come up with something factual, don’t tell a bald face LIE!!!! I’ve gone to just about every site that JeffH has posted in the last two years and I have not gotten as much as a warning from my security about a virus! I have, however gotten one from one that coal miner posted and one that eyes and denniso posted!!! I would say JeffH has at LEAST as good a record as you progs!!

      • JeffH

        Joe H.,c’mon , as good a record? LOL!

  • jopa

    Charles:It was the American people with small donations of five to one hundred dollars each that got Obama elected.The first president in a long time actually financed by the American people rather than tax dollars and huge corporations.Perhaps the only.

    • Bert Cundle

      Mae & Mac. & G.M. & Chrystler Corp. “the little people”?

      • Bert Cundle

        I think if O’Bomma gets reelected… O.P.E.C. Will get a BAIL OUT…

      • Vigilant

        Goldman Sachs? Big labor”

    • JeffH

      Nice to see your still enjoying your swill?

    • Vigilant

      jopa, it would be nice JUST ONCE if you would look at http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php?order=A and there are no viruses there, son.

      The “people” elected Obama? Unless you’re prepared to ignore reality (which wouldn’t surprise me), look at that list, see who contributed the most and which party was hands-down supported by the unions BIG TIME.

      If you have the courage to look at that list, you may then commence on your repast of humble pie. But somehow, I don’t believe you will do either. “What a maroon.”

  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    Jopa,
    You need to get your facts straight.SEIU alone gave over 60 million dollars to
    getting Obama elected. This is just one of many unions that donated to the Progressive party. The Progressives would like for you to believe,
    Obamas money came from the small people. The fact, they don`t know where
    half the money came from because it came vie the internet. There is no way of tracing it.You act like all the Deocrats and Progressives are poor.
    John Kerry is the richest law maker in congress. Ted Kennedy didn`t do bad either.George Soros has more money than, he knows what to do with.
    He backed so many Left wing groups, it would make your head swim.Waren
    Buffet backed Obama and is a big suporter of Socialisam. He is the second
    richest man in the world. Get with it jopa. You are always two steps behind and a dollar short.

    • Vicki

      Charles writes:
      “SEIU alone gave over 60 million dollars to getting Obama elected.”

      Yeah but they did it $5-$10 at a time by taking it from their members so jopa could have a “little people” talking point :)

      • Vicki

        Oops. Change “little people” to “American people with small donations” talking point.

  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    Jopa,
    I think what JeffH put up every one should read. Im sorry your mind
    can`t stay focused long enough to read it all. You might learn something.
    You noticed, I said might.

    • Vigilant

      jopa has a pathological aversion to truth. Don’t torture him in that way. (:-)

  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    JeffH,
    Thanks, I will get the book you recomended. It sounds like a good read.
    For you people out there > The Brotherhood Part3 Economic Control

    Here is a book that Im reading now > Culture of Corruption
    by Michelle Malkin. I think it`s a good read.

  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    Jeffh,
    Van Jones is a known Communist,founder of Storm a Comunist Org. founded
    in Oakland Ca. Brought here by Obama at the request of Valerie Jarett,
    a top advisor of his and a good friend of his wife, to head up his Green Groups which is part of The Appola Group. He was later let go after being exposed by Glen Beck. He now is a Senior Fellow at The Center for America Progress. He heads up their American Progress Action Fund, funded by US
    tax dollars and the Tides Foundation,backed by George Soros Open Society. Jones also. founded Green for All backed by none other George Soros Open
    Society. Jones also holds a Joint Appointment at Princeton Univ. at the
    Center of African American Studies. Not bad for a known Communist working his way into American politics. All of this, with the blessings of our
    Marxist President, Barack Obama. Take that to the house and digest it.

    • JeffH

      Van Jones gets a lot of exposure through UCTV on my cable network and it is about as progressive as you can get. He’s a smart cookie no doubt, but he is still a communist.

      • chuckb

        jeff, some keep referring to guys like jones and barry as being smart, they are smart in the degree of swindlers and con artist, that’s what makes for good organizers, intellectual they are not.

        • JeffH

          chuckb, you are correct. They can fool some of the people some of the time and some of the people ALL of the time…a little homework goes a long way to not get fooled by people like them.

        • Vigilant

          “Cunning” is the word that comes to mind.

          ….and if you’re Obama, your a “cunning linguist.” (Sorry, I couldn’t resist).

  • http://Verizon Bud G.

    I read many comments about reducing the deficit and what should be cut and for the most part valid.

    I have told my representatives in Washington several times that spending millions of dollars in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan is foolish. You could not change that area of the world even if you spent the next 50 years trying to do so.

    The reason so many states are struggling with their budget is illegal immigration. I know many of you will think otherwise but the figure of 11 million illegal immigrants they estimate is likely three times that figure. California is drowning in debt; Arizona, Florida, Texas and some states in the north recognize this as a huge problem and affecting their budget. I was stunned when I saw that one our every 12 babies born in the U.S. had an illegal immigrant parent.

    David Axelrod, adviser to President Obama asked me in a message for my thoughts on Health Care several months before the Health care Bill was passed. Having a background in this area, I mentioned that fraud in Medicare and Medicaid was rampant in Florida, go after tort reform because we have far too many frivolous lawsuits, contract with large medical and drug companies and give the civilian hospitals and clinics the same rates of Federal Health care facilities. The Federal Government would be responsible only for the management of the contracts and safety issues and the medical companies would do the maintenance, shipping of billing. If everyone realized the vast difference in costs, they would see that the medical companies are making their huge profits off the civilian facilities. What would this accomplish? Insurance premiums would be lowered due to the cost of doing business for hospitals and clinics. Stopping illegal immigrants from using the E.R. and sending them to clinics and making them pay in installments rather than gratis at a hospital would be another area of reduction in cost. By the way, two months after I sent that message to David Axelrod, they found over 50 million in Fraud in just two months in the State of Florida. Count all the states and it is easy to understand why your car and health insurance premiums are high.

    Frankly, the Department of Education tops the list for elimination and along with it the unionization of Federal and State employees.
    Education in this country has suffered due to the nit wit policies coming out of the Department of Education and I am certain the individual states could do a much better job. Unions are the reason we have a unbalanced pay and benefits discrepancy between the Federal/State and civilian population and the favoritism to one political party which I consider unethical.

    There is also the welfare issue that is totally out of control. I personally saw one woman at a supermarket pull out a book of food stamps to pay for what she bought. I noticed she was dressed very well and had several gold rings and a gold necklace. There was also the woman drawing 9 Social Security Checks for several years before she was caught. I watched the woman at the supermarket as she went to her car and wouldn’t you know, it was a new car. How can this happen? Nobody is minding the store and of course to solve the problem we will need more investigators at the Federal and State level to solve this which would be cheaper in the long run.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Bud G,
      I think every state that has a sanctuary city in it ought to cut ALL state funding to said city!! See how well they do with just those illegals and the people supporting them to pay the bills!!! No federal either!!!

  • Palin12

    …and the Oscar for Best Actor in a Supporting Role goes to (opens envelope)….Barrack Obama….for his role as the president.

    • JeffH

      ROFLMAO…too funny!

  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    Bud G
    They sure listened to you, didn`t they?

  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    JeffH & chuckb,
    Good to hear from you guys.Has any one heard from jopa lately?
    I think he took his ball and went home.

  • jopa

    Palin00:Well you finally realized how great our president really is It will truly be a hard act to follow.You should probably drop the Palin12 handle now that she has become a non-issue after the Palin murders in Arizona or I guess I would have to say the shootings associated to her.

    • Palin12

      Gee, I didn’t realize Sarah paid a visit to Arizona recently. If I had known I could have driven down there to meet her again.

      • Palin12

        PS. Do you have a ballistics report or any other forensic evidence to back up your delusion?

        • Vigilant

          Anyone notice that jopa was too dense to catch the allusion to “supporting role?”

  • jopa

    Budg: Darn it.All those friends of yours in high places are not listening to you.Also you mentioned this woman that whipped out her book of food stamps to pay for her goods.How long ago was that?I don’t think they even make food stamps anymore.They may but I haven’t seen any in stores in years.

    • Vigilant

      As I said before, the ignorant jopa doesn’t even keep up on current events. Food stamp costs have increased to their highest level ever.

      jopa, if you’re going to champion the “small people,” you gotta keep up with reality, son.

  • jopa

    Vigilant;If I were a welfare recipient like you apparently are I would know if they make food stamps or do they just use debit type cards.Thank you for the information and I will continue to be your Champion.OOOH you make me feel so proud and goose bumpy all over when you realize and call me your champion.

    • Vigilant

      Now there’s a real treat! A liberal putting down food stamp recipients!

      jopa, if you can’t see the hypocrisy of your insult, you better decide if you’re a liberal, or just plain stupid.

    • Vigilant

      Change that…liberal AND stupid. For jopa, an observation that the costs to the gov’t for food stamps has risen, autoomatically makes the observer a recipient of food stamps.

      Only someone with an IQ below 85 could come up with that logic.

  • jopa

    Vigilant:I totally agree with you. Perhaps if you got a tutor or took some on-line classes you could get your IQ above 85.If you are not eligible for grants or do not know how to fill out the forms let me know if I can be of some help.Wishing you the best with your continuing education.

  • http://none Marty

    We all know that our government so bloated that it can’t possibly function. There are so many duplicated Czars, departments of this, that and the other that when something, no matter how important, needs done no one rally knows what department should handle it. Take Katria for example. Many mobile homes were left in storage just to rot away? If we expect our Federal Government to function we must act to downsize and get rid of the massive duplication of departments. Eighty departments for food safety. Give me a break. We could fire 80% of the DC employees and we would see better service.
    But, instead of looking in their own backyard to make massive cuts, they choose to threaten the poor and retired. And naturally they protest, then they vote for the polititian that “saved” them.

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