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Barack Attack!

May 18, 2011 by  

Barack Attack!

“They want what every first-term Administration wants — a second term.” — from the movie “Clear and Present Danger”

America hasn’t had a leader like President Barack Obama in generations. He is more shrewd than a Chicago mayor, more powerful than the Tea Party and able to read a teleprompter at a single glance. He is ObamaMan! Not since former President Harry Truman’s capture of former Prime Minister of Japan Hideki Tojo has the nation had such a “presidential” President.

The “interdiction” ordered against Osama bin Laden, aided by the best fighting force in the world, is sure to make Obama’s Nobel Peace Prize a footnote for some of his biographers. And depending on whom you listen to, the President has either eradicated Muslim extremism or set a course for democracy in the Middle East.

No doubt Hollywood producers are hoping Wesley Snipes will be released from jail so he can play the role of the commander in chief. Expect the screenplay to deviate from the truth. In the film version the President will probably overcome an army of Muslim bodyguards armed with AK-47s before kicking down a steel door and dealing with bin Laden mano a mano.

The true story is not nearly as engrossing. It is about a president desperate for reelection and seeking the spotlight for an American electorate who only glance at headlines.

But the question remains: Why did it take our government nearly a decade to kill the worst mass murderer of the 21st century? And why was our closest ally in the Middle East protecting him? In the final analysis, both Pakistan and the White House may have to answer for the medieval meltdown that is the Muslim world.

We are left watching The Barack Obama Tour, with visits by the President to Ground Zero, an hour-long interview on 60 Minutes and a jingoistic speech in front of America’s real patriots, the men who carried out the mission: the Navy SEAL assault force the President spoke to at Fort Campbell, Kentucky.

If you think I am wrong about Obama being an opportunist, consider what Gary D. Barnett wrote for The Daily Reckoning:

“There has never been such an opportunity for the U.S. government to stage a false flag event in order to start yet another war as there is today. The setup is obvious to Libertarians and some sane others, but it eludes most (sic) all Americans who are busy dancing in the street after the so-called killing of Osama bin Laden.

“Consider the timing of this attack by U.S. Navy SEALs, and then consider recent events. First, the economy is in shambles, unemployment is sky high, price inflation is excessive, and the U.S. military has been bombing civilians in an attempt to assassinate (Moammar) Gadhafi, including murdering innocent little children. Our money is being destroyed before our eyes. The wars are not going well for the ruling elite, and Obama’s ratings are horribly low at the beginning of his presidential crusade.

“What better reason then for an event to solidify the masses… ”

It is the dangerous masses, a growing Muslim mob that is becoming more belligerent to America each passing year. Arab governments collect billions of dollars from us while secretly supporting jihad when our backs are turned. What makes it all the more maddening is that a tidal wave of Arab hate created bin Laden and not the other way around.

More lives than a cat

According to the CBC TV program The Fifth Estate, there were nine previous attempts by the U.S. to kill or capture bin Laden before his death. They commenced with the Administration of former President Bill Clinton and finally succeeded this month. But should it take more than a decade and three Presidents to kill one man living next door to Pakistan’s version of West Point?

On more than one occasion, Pakistan’s government or security apparatus, the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), tipped off bin Laden. That is a bad deal to U.S. taxpayers who have provided Pakistan with more than $10 billion since 9/11. Then again, bin Laden was a cash cow for the Pakistani government, which only feigned being his bounty hunter.

But that gravy train might soon be over, as announced by Senator Dianne Feinstein, the head of the Senate Intelligence Committee. The Democrat from California said that if it turns out the Pakistani government knew where bin Laden was hiding, Congress may cut $1.5 billion dollars in annual aid to Pakistan. That should have happened years ago, and the Obama Administration knows it.

The problem with PakiSatan, a Muslim power with more than 100 nuclear warheads, is its intelligence service and the government itself are corrupt — begging for money from the United States in a pretense to arrest extremism while at the same time providing aid and support to Islamic extremists. The evidence comes from the Pakistani government which first insisted it knew nothing of the planned assault, then claimed to have provided crucial intelligence for the raid on the compound.

Pakistan can’t have it both ways, or can it? The government of Pakistan even wants an apology from Washington for conducting a military operation on its soil to get bin Laden. So strained have relations between the two countries become that, on occasion, U.S. troops have had to engage Pakistani soldiers in firefights, and the Navy SEAL team was prepared to shoot its way out of Pakistan should it have to engage the enemy… I mean ally.

It is hard to know who America’s real friends are in the Muslim world, as many Islamists are outraged over the killing of bin Laden. They don’t understand our outrage, and I partially blame Obama for that. Obama was sympathetic to the mosque being built next to Ground Zero and shared his outrage over Pastor Terry Jones’ burning the Quran.

American troops are still falling in Afghanistan as the Obama Administration props up corrupt and unpopular Muslim leaders. These diplomatic failures will in the end far outweigh the killing of one aging terrorist.

While it is wonderful to have bin Laden dead, others are carrying the torch of hate. In the end, one dead Saudi isn’t going to pave a road to peace.

Yours in good times and bad,

John Myers
Myers’ Energy & Gold Report

John Myers

is editor of Myers’ Energy and Gold Report. The son of C.V. Myers, the original publisher of Oilweek Magazine, John has worked with two of the world’s largest investment publishers, Phillips and Agora. He was the original editor for Outstanding Investments and has more than 20 years experience as an investment writer. John is a graduate of the University of Calgary. He has worked for Prudential Securities in Spokane, Wash., as a registered investment advisor. His office location in Calgary, Alberta, is just minutes away from the headquarters of some of the biggest players in today’s energy markets. This gives him personal access to everyone from oil CEOs to roughnecks, where he learns secrets from oil insiders he passes on to his subscribers. Plus, during his years in Spokane he cultivated a network of relationships with mining insiders in Idaho, Oregon and Washington.

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  • smilee

    No one knows as yet what effect all that intelligence that the raid on the osama compound yielded. it is far to early to know what on the path to peace this raid will yield as this was much much bigger that just the killing of this one man. That was the genius of sending the seals in as opposed to a bomb dropped from a drone and is also a clear message to all that follow him they can never be safe where ever they are, like I said it is too early to draw any conclusions but I’m betting his terror organization sees this as far bigger that the death of just one man

    • Robin from Arcadia, IN

      smilee… Do you really believe that what was confiscated from the Osama compound will lead to ‘a path of peace’? Not much for reality are you?

      • smilee

        Can’t you read, I said it is too early to draw any conclusions!!!

        • JC

          We can certainly draw one conclusion my communist little friend…that this “Raid on Obama’s Compound” is just another in a long series dramatic plays put on for the benefit of keeping us all in fear and boosting the Kenyan Imposter’s popularity with the simple minded…

          That much is for sure.

          • EddieW

            JC, you nailed that!!! Obozo, our Liar in Chief taking credit, when he did NOT order the attack!! He waffled for two weeks, refusing to order it, so they notified him they were going in…had it failed, he would berate them, making points with his Muslim friends…it succeded, so he takes credit for “ordering” it!! Liar either way!!!

          • Bob from Calif.

            This is all just political theater. Anyone that believes that this terrorist leader would store over one million pages of intelligence in this compound surrounded by pakastani military, needs to open their eyes or have their head examined. Why were there no kidney dialysis machines anywhere in this complex when it is a well know fact that Bin Laden was seriously ill with kidney disease back in 2001. These are just a couple of the many anomalies that should make you say HMMMMM!

          • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

            Check out this link regarding the Liar-In-Chief. It’s an eye-opener for many.

            http://reidsright.blogspot.com/2011/05/panetta-ordered-raid.html

          • Dan az

            Thanks for the site Old Henry funny how the truth seems to leak out.Sounds like billary has more balls than any one in that room.What a spanking obummer got on that one.One thing for sure is he has stayed the course of not voting on anything.You gotta laugh at the picture of him now knowing the truth he was pouting.!

          • skip

            You are really a jerk JC – quit this nonsense of “Obama’s Compound!” If you hate him because he is not pure white, just say so. But don’t throw out such verbal puke.

            The multi billion dollar industries that manipulate the masses and deprive everyone but the upper 1% of the population of life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, health care, education – these are big oil, which proved their point in front of congress yesterday, and Wall Street, which wrecked the nation and plunged us into recession. Thank goodness we bailed out GM, now remarkably successful, and kept millions of jobs in the process.

            Who in the world is paying you people to say this nonsense – you are going to lose so very, very much as every civil liberty including voting, talking, getting educated is wiped out. From the comments you place on this blog site, I doubt very much that many if any of you are in the upper 1% or some of you are sandbagging the rest of us. Perhaps all of this blog garbage is composed by the Koch brothers and their ilk.

          • JC

            skip says:

            May 18, 2011 at 9:24 pm

            You are really a jerk JC – quit this nonsense of “Obama’s Compound!” If you hate him because he is not pure white, just say so. But don’t throw out such verbal puke.
            _________________________________________________________

            Ah! The race card. Is that all you’ve got?
            Maybe you hate him because he’s not pure black?
            Or maybe you only half love him because he’s only half black?
            race has nothing to do with it…and I don’t hate him for any reason…
            I despise him because he is (like you) a Nazi Liberal, Commie and anti American who should be yanked out of the White House so hard and fast he leaves his suit behind.

            You morons really don’t have much to talk about do you?

          • http://DickMorris Tom

            You are right on.

          • http://DickMorris Tom

            Why fight with these Left Wingers who worship Polosi and Reed. Then of course is our great Obamalier with his side kick????????What’s the V.P’s name???????????????LOL

        • Bus

          Why would any Commander in Chief be out golfing when he knows that the Seals are closing in on their target? Because he didn’t want to order the kill, he was pushed to the decision by Hillary and Panetta.

          • skip

            Nonsense Bus – he pulled the greatest con job ever done on al Quaeda. Too bad you can’t give anyone but the Koch Brothers any credit for anything. And they are robbing you blind and rewarding the super-wealthy who don’t work for a living, never served their country, bought their way out of the draft, and bought everything they might want, not necessarily need.

          • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

            Bus:

            Little Barry was out playing golf because he thought that he and Jarrett had put off doing anything – once again.

            Follow the link and rad the story. It is telling.

            Poor Skippy. So mis-guided. I wonder what his IP address is? I guess that would depend on what the definition of is, is….

          • Eric Bischoff

            Bus,
            for the same reason the dictator Bush who stole both elections was out at a kiddie school during 9/11 !

      • DaveH

        Yeah, maybe they’ll discover some secrets when they put down those porno magazines.
        At any rate, we will never know the truth unless Wikileaks gets hold of the information.
        Meanwhile we’ve spent over $1 Trillion on the wars since 2001 “making our country a safer place”. Sure, safer for all the enemies that we’ve created to overrun us after we’re impoverished:
        http://costofwar.com/en/
        Virtually every great empire has gone the same way. Why can’t we learn from history?

        I’m caught between sheeple on both sides, the side that buys into the Military State, and the side that buys into the Welfare State.

        Break the mold! Support and vote for the Only Party in this country that believes in True Freedom, not just LIP SERVICE to it. We believe it is the natural (or God-Given) right of people to control their own body and property, free from meddling in the form of do-gooder government people (who are really just feathering their own nests). We believe that people must pay for their own mistakes, no riding on unwilling shoulders. We believe in butting out of other countries’ business. That includes NOT financing their follies with unwilling taxpayers’ money.

        For Individual Liberty, Personal Responsibility, Free Markets, Limited Government, and Peace — Vote Libertarian!

        • JC

          Point of interest DaveH.
          Our northern neighbors in Canada had a Federal election about a month ago. The Liberal Party (that’s what they’re called) was devastated.
          They took an 80% hit on the number of seats they had in Parliament.
          Sign of the times? ;)

          • DaveH

            I sure Hope so.

          • Christin

            JC,
            I had not heard that about Canada (grew up near Canada so many years ago)… WOW… it appears to me that PEOPLE are revolting all over the planet AGAINST their evil Leaders and corrupt governments…. EVERYONE (including the Arabs) has/have had ENOUGH of the Facade (Puppet show), Elistism (NWO), and the Stealing their WEALTH, food, lives, and collapse of their currencies and countries.

            Good for Canada for ousting their Progressive Communists…Liberals.

          • Eric Bischoff

            Yes Hook Line and Sinker, Fascism is back but this time in North America and under the banner of ultra conservative christian religious zealots.

    • wandamurline

      I read a report that Obama did not order the mission…that Valerie Jarrett had been advising him and he had been taking her advice, not to do the mission because a failure would hurt his political career. Can you believe that they would consider not to invade this compound and removed such a terrorist for political agendas? One military person suggested using drones, but Jarrett didn’t want Obama to do that. The reason the mission was done was because of Leon Panetta, Hiliary Clinton, Patreus, and other top ranking military. They took it upon themselves to order the mission. Once the mission was being played out, they went and got Obama off the golf course so he could be in the photo opt of them watching the mission, which was absolutely a fraud because the coverage of the mission was not available. Oh what webs we weave when we deceive. Pakistan did not know of the attack…had they known, they would have told bin Laden. That is why they were upset after the kill….if it was a kill. No doubt that information was obtain from this raid, but I am skeptical as to who exactly was killed in that raid. BBC was interviewing people who lived near by and one guy said that the man they killed was his neighbor and called him by name. I really am at a loss about the entire event…I do not know what to believe of my government anymore, and I trust none of them involved in this mission except for Patraeus.

      • Doris Orvis

        I absolutely agree with you! But people who are still in dreamy land with this government won’t buy it. I also heard that Obama did not want to order the raid, he had to sleep on it, and even then he wasn’t sure. I give him zero credit, think they would have gone through with it regardless. It bothers me that Osama was dumped in the ocean so soon after, but we did have to appease the Muslims, go figure. A guy who is the leader of killing thousands, gets a respectful thought about his burial!? I am sure Osama didn’t give a hoot about any of the ones he killed and the families they left behind, crazy! I was wondering also, why they were watching the raid as it was going on, what, it was live!? Something needs to be done about this government and fast!

        • Pastor

          It’s amazing to see so that many people have all the solutions and know what Obama should and shouldn’t be doing. Such hypocrites! What is this the FOX channel?

          The statement that Obama going to ground zero and visiting US solders makes him an opportunist is absolutely ludicrous. Now what would be the response if he hadn’t? Did we forget it was the Bush administration that jump started this plunge in our American economy and not Obama? We have had eight years of poor government with the republican party. Believe it or not I am and have always been a republican but, for some reason we want to continue play tug a war with Obama. Hum. I wonder why?

          • BOB

            Well Pastor : Sounds like you are out of touch with reality. Obama does-not do anything unless it is going to benefit Obama. The trip to ground zero by Obama was a Photo op for him and a disgrace to all who lost their lives there.I am surprised he wasn’t taken out by the seal team on his disgraceful visit there.A good oppurtunity to rid the world of another Terrorist was missed that day. Look at all the evidence Barack Hussien Obama was born in Kenya to a father who was kenyan,then was later adopted by Lolo Soetoro who was Indonesian and devout muslim,Barack Obama AKA Barry Soetoro attended a muslim school in Indonesia as a citizen of Indonesia.He later attended college in the US under a Foreign Student Visa and received Foreign Student aid. When are you going to realize that This POTUS is muslim and is destroying the UNITED STATES for his Muslim Bretheren???

          • Push comes to shove

            Pastor says:
            “Believe it or not I am and have always been a republican but, for some reason we want to continue play tug a war with Obama.”

            You do not sound like a republican, but instead a liberal hack with your FOX news and Bush is bad comments(typical besmirch of the far left). Remember the left gained large majorities in the house and senate the last 2 years of the Bush term up until the last mid term election. Bush did some not so conservative things (ingoring free market priciples to save the free market, yeah right), but the dems took it from there and spent and then spent some more and then spent some more. Obama and Pelosi have increased deficit spending way beyond anything imaginable by the typical AMERICAN (Obamacare).

            If you are a repub, which i doubt, you are a rhino and definitely no conservative.

          • D.F.

            Pastor: First … LOLOLOLOLOL. You are really just another Sheep in human clothing. I can use ONE word to describe Obama’s worth to this country: NOTHING.

            As for this: The government of Pakistan even wants an apology from Washington for conducting a military operation on its soil to get bin Laden.

            Let Obama handle that one. He is pretty good at apologising for America.

          • DaveH

            What is amazing to me, Pastor, is that the “party of peace” would throw away their principles to rally so rapidly behind yet another war-mongerer. Of course there are those of us who know they have no principles. The Leaders are just feathering their own nests and the nests of their Crony Capitalists (GE, etc.), and buying the votes of the party sheeples who will rally behind anything as long as the trough is still in sight.

          • JC

            Pastor says:

            Believe it or not I am and have always been a republican but, for some reason we want to continue play tug a war with Obama. Hum. I wonder why?
            ___________________________________________________________________

            Could it be because Bush is GONE and the Kenyan usurper is here NOW?
            Could it be that thosde of us who are plugged into a phenomenon called REALITY know that we can’t go back and change what Bush did?
            Could it be that if we don’t act NOW we will lose our nation?

            Get in the game or get off the bus please.

          • JeffH

            Could it be that Pastor is now Jovi-commie’s alter ego, another fake amongst a myriad of fakers?

          • Kate8

            Anyone can use the moniker “Pastor” to try to gain credibility on a conservative blogsite. I suspect it is our old pal Jovi or one of his other aliases…

            Even if you are a pastor, which I highly doubt, you would be among the likes of Jeremiah Wright. Even satan has his representatives.

            Nice try.

          • JuanC

            With all due respect, I give you that much that it may have been Bush’s administration that started the plunge in our American economy. BUT, what has Obama done to try to correct it. He has spent trillions more, plungin our economy even deeper. WAKE UP AMERICA. We need to get rid of Obama come next elections. He is not doing enough to correct what is wrong. I am a Republican, but I also warn them that IF they win the next presidential election, they better be doing what needs to be done, not sleeping on their laurels, or we’ll have to vote against them on the next elections after 2012. I do not believe in voting party line. Why should I do that if any of the candidates running for office is not up to par??

          • eddie47d

            Bad Juan and Pastor to say you are a Republican and diss Bush. That will be 20 lashes for each of you if and when you step out of line again. The folks on this site can talk about the 1st Amendment and how we are loosing it but turn around and try to censor those who do. Toe the Conservative line or you will pay dearly.What a ruse.

          • Dan

            Pastor, You, like a lot of other people that don’t read between the lines, blame Bush for the present economic situation. Just look for a moment at the situation when the problem was created. The econoy was donig fine with a DJA of over 14,000. Then when the Democrats took control of the House all hell broke loose thanks to such people as Barney Frank and Chris Dodd, who released all of the home loans through such institutions as Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, allowing people who were no where near qualified to obtain mortgages on expensive homes. THAT caused the panic that set the economy on its heels.

          • DaveH

            Listen to Eddie, the Union Thug who tries to mentally bully anybody who he doesn’t agree with. Go to da box, get da club, Eddie.

          • JeffH

            DaveH, ya just can’t fix stupid. He’s all over the board today tellig everyone else what to do…every childish comment is something you’d expect a 15 year old bully to say.

          • http://personalliberty.com frank

            pastor crawl back into that crack in your phony pulpit with the other left wing termites.

          • eddie47d

            Jeff; My comments make more sense than your disparaging remarks and I see you are tail gunning Dave as per usual.

          • http://hubscher1@earthlink.net bob hubscher

            Because somebody has to stand up to this so called president and fight for the survival of our country on every level before it is to late. The time for being nice and gentlemanly has passed. Other societies would have had a revolution by now and ousted this nut case. Maybe we rate too civilized. We are waiting for someone else to do something when is obviously that is not going to happen. How long do we wait?
            Do we have to learn the hard way. If our fore fathers had been like us we would speaking the kings’ english
            today and living under the British flag or we could be speaking the German language and saluting a dictator. Thank God they had the courage and fortitude to stand up and take a position. It is somthing we as a people do not seem to be to do.Again, How long to we wait before taking action!

        • patty

          Doris-I am sure Obama voted “present” when it came down to making the decision and like everything else in his life, the others around him made the decision. Same as when he was a senator. If it had come out badly, I am sure the playbook would have changed accordingly. Wag the dog.

        • Bob from Calif.

          The picture of Obama and Hillary watching the raid was a hoax. It was staged for political benefit. Panetta admitted that the they did not have a live feed at the time this photo was taken.

          • Kate8

            Bob from Calif. – The sooner we realize that NOTHING THEY DO IS REAL, the sooner we can break free of them.

            Even the money is created out of thin air. How can something devalue and collapse if it never was?

            Is anyone seeing how we are held in a virtual reality nightmare? Can we wake up from it?

          • Kate8

            BTW, Bob. Have they come to install your smartmeter yet?

          • Christin

            Kate8,
            We moved to our farm in March and we discovered that a ‘smart meter’ was put on our country house with out our knowledge instead of a regular meter. We were told that the country is where they first started using the smart meter as it wasdifficult to drive for miles to each country farm and read the meter.

            From your question it would seem you are still holding out…

          • Marty S.

            Actually Obama looks like his picture was added in as an afterthought. Maybe it was taken during the live feed but he was out golfing during the shoot. Golf is important after all.

          • JC

            Marty, I thought about the same thing when I saw that picture.
            The Kenyan looks like a little kid sitting on a box in the corner trying not to be noticed.
            Very inspiring…

        • http://DickMorris Tom

          Obama first to take the credit, last to do anything. Wake up people and this is not a race issue. The guys a looser, educated to speak to the slow in thinking with no clue on the USA issues or the worlds. Learn to read and check up what’s going on. The fall of any civialization is the lack of knowledge which this President releys on everytime he opens his mouth.

      • smilee

        You and Doris sure are a sucker for far right propaganda rhetoric bullsheit? All legitimate news reports say just the opposite but closed minds like yours never listen to more that one point of view and that leaves you in the dark and out of touch with reality as your posts make clear

        • TIME

          Well Big S,

          Please do tell us what “Legitimate NEWS” Reports are you talking about?

          Oh how we all wait with baited breath for your Pearls of Wisdom to spill forth like a spring rain on dry flowers.

          • patty

            Ditto that.

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            Hey TIME, she must be referring to all the years and publicity on Bin ladens death through the years. 2001,2004, 2007 and just recently__we have our pick of a cat with 9 lives!

          • smilee

            Definitely Not Newsmax and this site, I watch about six different outlets a day and read about the same number newspapers to get as many perspectives as I can, and those like Newsmax who are always predictable in what they say can be discounted, news outlets that cannot be predicted are the far better source. The less agenda the better and Newsmax and those like it have an agenda that is totally obvious. This site for me is just to keep me reminded of what fools really sound like and not really a source of real information

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            smille, then ya better be checking out some foreign news as well, they have a different perspective on America, than we do.

          • TIME

            Well Big S,
            Still waiting on the new’s that you use. As in name them each and every one.

            Can I make that more simple for you?

          • smilee

            Time

            I have watched and read almost all, it varies from day to day so take your pick!!

          • smilee

            There you go again davy, going off on a tangent, addressing things I had not commented on, but I guess your imagination has led you astray again.

          • JeffH

            smilee, your liberalism is par for the course…can’t answer a simple question. What news sources do you draw your information from? Let me help you out here. MSNBC, NBC, ABC, CBS, NPR, Washington Post, Huffington Post, Daily Kos, Democratic Underground, Media Matters for America, Salon, Mother Jones, Smirking Chimp, The Progressive, The New Republic or The talking Points Memo…I do know there are a lot more choices so let me know if one of your favorites wasn’t on the list.

          • DaveH

            Pray tell, Sleepee, what 6 different news outlets do you watch?
            And what 6 different newspapers do you read?

          • TIME

            So Big S, You get your news from the standard formats, yet you claim its “Reliable” let alone not Propaganga formatted? So where is it you think all that news comes from?
            I can tell you that no matter who you claim you get such from it’s all controlled by whats called the AP.

            So now tell us all who owns the AP? And who owns that Company?

            And then how it is that you get as you stated “RELIABLE” news from these persons who are the head family of the NWO who have well over 60% of all the worlds wealth let alone all the news you get.

            I think I can safly say, again we all wait for your pearls of wisdom.

        • DaveH

          Wah, Wah, Wah.
          Yes, and those same “Legitimate” news sources have been telling people how Obama has “saved millions of jobs” at the same time that unemployment has risen from 8% to 10% and then remained stuck in the mud around 9%. How much did those new jobs cost? Only about $2 Trillion. Keep in mind that for a normal size family (3.1 people) that amounts to about $200,000 per family (most of it future debt). Such a bargain!

          • smilee

            Sorry, this should have been posted here.

            There you go again davy, going off on a tangent, addressing things I had not commented on, but I guess your imagination has led you astray again.

          • DaveH

            And there you go again with a personal attack instead of facts, Sleepee.

        • Dorothy Jones

          spoken like a true idiot smilee

          • smilee

            Coming from a true idiot I will take your statement as a compliment

          • eddie47d

            Name calling is their speciality Smilee so it doesn’t matter what you read and how often. I use to watch Fox News about a year ago. Seldom do anymore. Townhall has some good articles but they take themselves to the extremes also. Even when folks on this site are dead wrong they defend each other and put the attack on the opposing view. Which they seem to be doing to you. The old gang bang!When I first arrived on this site in 2009 no one dared mention Bush’s name. Those who did were thrown to the curb. Now some have come to realize Bush’s missteps and admit it but getting the whole truth out of them is like trying to crack a Brazil Nut.

          • DaveH

            Polly want a cracker, Eddie?

            All the readers need do is read your comments and see how many are fact based and how many consist of mental bullying and conjecture.

            It’s no secret, Eddie, so quit your inane posturing.

          • DaveH

            For sure, Eddie, the Liberals will gush on your posts, but all you need do is point the way to the trough and they will listen to whatever you say. But if you want to influence the rest, you will need to present the facts instead of the personal attacks.

          • JeffH

            DaveH, 47Stupid has a chinese adding machine that he tallies his posts and responses on…forget that he’s childish and that he’s a dimwit, he just looks forward to the number of resonses, liberal or not. He loves the attention.

          • DaveH

            I was thinking that same thing, Jeff. He needs attention and will take negative if he can’t get positive.

          • eddie47d

            Look, two of the 7 dwarfs showed up. Dopey and Sleazy. Take your pick Jeff! I think the folks here are realizing how you two trail each other and say the same think over and over to get a rise. Are you saying they are that dumb?

          • JeffH

            No 47Stupid, I’m saying that you are.

        • jibbs

          LMAO, Once again, you always avoid the question of where you get you info. Your nothing but a waste of time. I think your just a azz and robot.

      • Skyknight

        Iam amazed that they actually let you put this story out there. I tried to tell people about it a couple days afterwards and the Huffpost kept censoring it.
        If it makes you feel better, THE STORY IS TRUE and we have confirmed it through independent CIA contacts. Obama actually ordered the mission scrubbed and should not be getting any credit for taking out Osama ben Laden.

        • smilee

          Independent CIA contacts?? What a joke if you are to believe this propaganda without an iota of proof, if you had it you would spout it, unidentified sources can say anything the writer wants him to say. Your a JOKE!!

          • DaveH

            A Joke? No, Sleepee, I would say that “if you are to believe this propaganda without an iota of proof” that would make him a Democrat sheeple.

          • smilee

            There you go again davy, I never said what I believed that was your assumption. I just said that unidentified sources should not be believed without supporting facts. But this is so typical of you davy.

          • BKWsr

            speeking of proof, How do we know Osama is dead. Because CNN says so?

          • Kate8

            All this talk of whether Obama did or didn’t order “the mission” is a huge crock of doodoo. Obama would never be allowed to order anything unless orders came down from above. He had absolutely nothing to do with it. He’s nothing but a frontman.

            I can’t believe, at this point, that we still have these kinds of debates.

          • Dan az

            Kate
            I don’t know if you caught it but Old Henry posted a site above that showed exactly what took place.funny stuff!
            http://reidsright.blogspot.com/2011/05/panetta-ordered-raid.html

          • DaveH

            And there you go, Sleepee, accusing others of not supplying references for their “facts” when you spout conjecture constantly. I have Never seen you post a reference for your fabricated facts. That’s not to say you haven’t at some time in the past, but I have never seen it if you did.

          • Kate8

            Thanks, Dan. That just confirms that O is nothing but a stooge, told to go out and play and they’ll call him in whenever they need him to step in front of a camera.

            Pathetic.

          • JeffH

            Danaz, thanks for the link…very good find.

      • azwayne

        Now you stated the real obvious. The main point should be why is valerie jarrett, socialist member of no worth, the main handler of the usurper? Between her and the reporter from cnn sure gives us confidence in worth of the ditherer in chief.

        • Kate8

          Jarrett, too, gets her orders from higher up.

          Does anyone seriously think that any of these clowns in the WH, Congress or the Judiciary have any real power?

          We are bickering over a puppet-show. Keeps our attention off of the real manipulators.

          • JeffH

            Kate8, isn’t it just a pity that more people can’t see this.

    • http://none ralph herman

      We missed the point that not all Muslims are bad and it is not a war on Muslims it is a was on terrorist.McVie was not a Muslim but he killed women and children as well as men.Our elected President of the Uniter States of America made a bold move and we are the better for it.After 7 years of blundering we finally got success in less than 2 and 1/2 years.OH! those point weren’t made.

      We tend to make a mess when we prop up weak and unpopular governments but a fact is a fact we need supply routes they have them.They have to have permission to govern parts of their country and are often told no by tribal leaders who support the very ones that are trying to destroy them and us.

      • patty

        The mission to get bin Laden is complete. It is time to get out and to let them continue to fight amongst themselves as they have done since the begining of time.

      • DaveH

        Why did McVie do what he did? He said it was to avenge those women and children (and men too) that were killed by Clinton in the very botched and unnecessary Waco Seige (also Ruby Ridge).
        Why is it that the Democrats rally so enthusiastically behind killing by Democrats, but go ballistic when it is the Republicans who are doing the killing?
        Try being a little more consistent, Ralph.

        • DaveH

          That should be McVeigh, by the way.

          • Kate8

            DaveH – Except that McVeigh wasn’t a Republican. That was just spin to cast the blame on the “far-right militia”. He has been shown to actually be a Democrat.

            To be more precise, he was a CIA operative, a patsy. As was Bin Laden.

            All of the false flags have been hugely successful to get us to where we are now by manipulating mass thinking. Some are getting it, but if we don’t stop buying the official line…

          • Dan az

            Kate your dead on the money!

        • patty
          • eddie47d

            That’s odd because other sites say he was a registered Republican when he left Buffalo. After that he never became affiliated again. Your article says his father was a Democrat which doesn’t mean Timothy was. Your article was from a right wing outfit with a biased opinion. So why would anybody give it much credibility?

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            eddie, boy your a good one to talk about credibility, anything you parrot back to us, is all from the Liberal side,_Credibility Really??

          • patty

            Eddie-Comprehension is not your strong suit. The question was:Does upbringing mold a child? It then discusses how Timothy was raised in a catholic/domcratic/union household and in a very liberal state I might add. I looked and could not find how McVeigh was raised on a liberal site. Funny how the libs jumped on the band wagon that he was some miltia person. When in fact, they rejected him.

          • Kate8

            Yeah, just like the media tried to jump on the AZ story and spin that kid as a right-wing nutjob.

            And again, he wasn’t.

    • Wayne937

      Do you see what I mean about smilee. Bob gives the facts in his statement, and smilee is too stupid to see them. Smilee is another one of those who would not know a fact if it hit him in the face. If you told smilee an object was green, and in fact it was green, smilee would want to argue and say it was blue. Smilee, WAKE UP1111.

      • Kate8

        Wayne – smilee is just doing what he/she is paid to do: go on conservative blogsites and try to discredit everyone there.

        The only reason smilee et al would read multiple news outlets would be to know which stories to smear for the day. He/she isn’t interested in no stinkin’ facts.

        • Wayne937

          Kate8, well MR. Smilee may as well move on as he is not going to change our minds. I have a hard time of kleeping up with this one. I wonder who’s payroll he is on to be monitoring all those forums? Huh? I hope he is getting paid for all this hard butt work.

          • Dan az

            Wayne937
            By the way he or she comments I would say it was one of those work from home scams!

    • Carole Howell

      Meyers asks many righteous questions.

      He says one aging terrorist? Osama was 56, Saddam Hussein was 69. While SH was surely supporting terrorists groups, the groups he supported were not targeting the USA. Some were actually targeting Osama. SH considered him a dire threat to Iraq.

      Now you maybe asking what is my point in pointing this out. Well….the cost of this Iraq war for one thing, makes the wasted billions sent to Pakistan look like pocket change. Funny how so many people flat out over look the huge stuff and focus on the small.

      Take Al Qaeda for instance, they are only 200 strong, but we are being made to focus on these 200 as a huge threat, we need to blow them into a huge threat and even help them out when we can (we have found out $$$$ has been funneled into our small weak enemies by our own government over the years) ((and just maybe help them out in some of their terrorist endeavors also))that way we can justify our huge Military expenditures during a time when people are focusing on our debt.

      While on the subject of our massive debt, let me point out that Social Security receives zero Federal $$$s. Thats right none. We workers fund Soc. Sec. So why do they (Gov and MSM) insist in putting it in the Federal budget at all, it is our money, every penny of it.Not a dime of it is Federal money.

      Here is more info you may find interesting since I have turned this into one about the debt. Of course if you want to believe the Bush Admin. saved Osama for Obama to use as a political prop……

      Okay. Just for the hell of it, let’s go after the debt and the deficit the Republican way. No new taxes. All through cutbacks. And I’ll confine my quibbles to a few parenthetical asides.

      To begin, then: We’re broke! We can’t afford any more taxes! (Well, America’s 400 wealthiest taxpayers certainly can. In 1955, according to the Campaign for America’s Future, the country’s 400 wealthiest taxpayers had an average income of $13.3 million (in 2008 dollars) and paid 51.2 percent of that in federal income taxes. In 2008, according to IRS calculations, they had an average income of $270.5 million and paid 18 percent of that in federal income taxes. And in 1955, by the way, we could afford to pave roads.

      Harold Meyerson

      Republicans’ concern over the growth of government is moral as well as fiscal. To quote the House Republican “road map” that accompanied the release of Rep. Paul Ryan’s budget, “Americans were known and admired everywhere for their hopeful determination to assume responsibility for the quality of their own lives; to rely on their own work and initiative. . . . But over time, Americans have been lured into viewing government . . . as their main source of support; they have been drawn toward depending on the public sector for growing shares of their material and personal well-being. The trend drains individual initiative and personal responsibility.”

      To remedy this, House Republicans passed a budget that chiefly increases the opportunities for initiative and responsibility available to seniors by reducing their dependence on Medicare and Medicaid (which devotes two-thirds of its funding to nursing-home care). By converting Medicare from a guarantee of payment for medical care to a voucher to purchase insurance, the Congressional Budget Office calculated, the share of medical bills that seniors would have to pay themselves would rise from 25 percent to 68 percent.

      Republicans are right to aim big if they mean to reduce the deficit through cuts alone. By most measures, seniors are the major spongers on taxpayers, chiefly through their insistence on not working productively once they hit 65, 78, 92 or whatever. But for the sake of argument, suppose we don’t want to put that burden on our mothers, fathers, grandparents and ourselves. Where else can we identify a comparably large group of drainers of the public till?

      Happily, the Tax Foundation — a conservative Washington-based think tank — has, however unintentionally, provided the answer. In 2007, the foundation published a survey of 2005 federal spending in each state and compared that with each state’s contribution in federal taxes. In other words, the foundation identified the states that sponge off the federal government and those that subsidize it. The welfare-queen states and the responsible, producing states, as it were.

      The list, alas, hasn’t been updated — in part, no doubt, because conservatives didn’t like what it revealed: that those states that got more back from our government than they paid in were overwhelmingly Republican. The 10 biggest net recipients of taxpayers’ largess were, in order, New Mexico, Mississippi, Alaska, Louisiana, West Virginia, North Dakota, Alabama, South Dakota, Kentucky and Virginia. The 10 states that paid in the most and got back the least were New Jersey, Nevada, Connecticut, New Hampshire, Minnesota, Illinois, Delaware, California, New York and Colorado.

      Now, that list has surely changed since the middle of the last decade — Virginia has probably gotten richer and paid in more; Nevada has surely gotten poorer and paid in less. But today’s ranking are probably much the same, unless farming and manufacturing suddenly pay more than finance and high-tech. Even allowing for cyclical variations and political transformations, it’s patently clear that the states that drain the government also constitute the Republicans’ electoral base, while those that produce the wealth constitute the Democrats’. Far from strengthening our moral character, the red states plunge us into the slough of dependency.

      If we’re really serious, then, about reducing the deficit entirely through cutbacks, the solution is clear: Cut off these slacker states. As we can’t very well expect them to support legislating an end to their slothful dependence on our sugar-daddy subsidies, the only real solution is to reduce them to vassal status, strip them of their congressional and electoral college representation, and compel them to pay what they owe America’s producing class. If need be — we can’t just go on passing the debt to the next generation — by force.

      Take taxes off the table and it’s either the South (and kindred sponger states) or the seniors. I say, the South. It’s time for bold choices. What don’t you understand? We’re broke!

      meyersonh@washpost.com

    • Frank

      It will yield absolutely zippo. As George Washington said, it is far more important that you spy on someone without their knowledge than it is to spy on them. That’s because if they know you are spying they will change their ways. No different here. He just couldn’t keep his mouth shut and feign surprise when a reporter asked him about bin laden’s death. Nope, had to go blow his mouth off so now the intelligence is worthless. Great job their El Presidente.

    • DurangoKid

      smilee – You’ve been sipping at Obozo’s Cootie-Aid too long. Ever wonder why our Procrastinator-in-Chief and ‘Nobel Peace Prize’ buyer…er, I mean recipient is totally against waterboarding, but has no qualms about shooting someone in the head? WAKE UP AMERICA!! This radical, scum-sucking, commie-loving, socialist piece of Shiite, is INTENTIONALLY destroying our country economically, socially and politically from within!! The fox is in the henhouse….get it??

  • http://aol.com sean murrey

    i never seen a SOB like him before.

    • Doc Sarvis

      You must mean a – Strong Outstanding Boss.

      • Bob

        Only a mindless lieberal zombie such as yourself could call this malignant monster a strong outstanding boss.

        • smilee

          Whatever idiotic statements you make does not change the fact this is one of the biggest military successes we have had since 9/11 and brilliantly planned and executed high stake undertaking. You really hate it when a liberal, if Obama is a real liberal, has success don’t you. It is obvious your hatred for this man runs very deep.

          • Dagney

            Sorry, but this was not Obama’s success. It was the success of Seal Team 6 and all of our OUTSTANDING MILITARY despite the budget cuts and the vitriol spewed at them by the LEFT. That Obama is trying to take credit, rather than trying to point to who really deserves the credit, is just another clear indication of the moral bankruptcy of this president. He will not recieve credit when all is said and done. OUR MILITARY WILL!

          • Pastor

            If they could have resolved the Bin Laden issue over 40 years ago WHY DID’NT THEY? It wasn’t important to them that’s why. Bush took the focus off 911 by going after Saddam.

            Forget the government is like a stage, its more like a a game.

          • James

            Pastor, you forgot that Bill Clinton could have taken out Osama when he was in Somalia. Bill couldn’t pull the trigger on that deal. At least Obozo okayed this one, I will grant him that. Of course everything else since has been him playing it for votes, just like with the homosexual agenda he is pushing (surely you don’t back that)and the amnesty for illegals. All for votes and to tear down the morales in this country.

          • smilee

            Dagney says:
            May 18, 2011 at 9:25 am

            Sorry, Obama is the man in charge and has never said or implied that it was not the seals that did the actual work on the ground. This would not or could not have happened without Obama he was the decision maker on this after input from the experts, It was he that made the call, you can agree or disagree with the call but you have to be a liar to say it was not him that made it. Seals follow orders do not run off on their own. Do you believe 9/11 would have happened without Bin Ladin’s leadership and money?? You hate Obama so bad you are just not capable of giving credit where credit is due. Obama even gave credit to what everyone did and only took credit for what he did, you of course have distorted what he did and said.

          • Jay

            Obama is nothing more then george sores’ nocturnal discharge, or Soros’ “mini me”, in charge, for the time being, of driving the bus off the cliff!!! I say bring out the mops and get this worthless dribble running down our flag pole out of the White House! Obama, don’t let the door hit you in your azz on the way out!

          • Dan az
          • jmp

            Sorry, I don’t even believe this was a successful mission…no body…no proof! It was all too convenient! Bad economy…high gas prices…low approval ratings….BEHOLD!! We got bin laden!! I for one don’t buy it!

          • JC

            Pastor says:
            May 18, 2011 at 9:26 am
            If they could have resolved the Bin Laden issue over 40 years ago WHY DID’NT THEY? It wasn’t important to them that’s why. Bush took the focus off 911 by going after Saddam.
            _____________________________________________________________________

            Because bin Laden would have still been very young and not seen as a threat in any way.
            Because his mom and dad are not only great friends, but also in business with, George.H.W.and Nancy Bush.
            (The Carlyle Group / munitions dealer)
            Because 40 years ago the chances that Osama and George Jr. were sailing on the Chesapeake together are pretty good.

        • Valerie

          It has been some time since my last visit nothing has changed
          among most of the readers the bias and name calling if someone does not agree with their point of view and the total disrespect for someone elected you may not like a person constructive criticism is one thing but name calling is anothe small wonder the Country is where it is.I am not one for violence but you live by the gun or sword die by it no thought is given to anyones life when they strap bombs to themselves and kill innocent people.
          I have no issue where a place of worship is built all muslims are not terrorist there are a few extremist I say hunt those and wipe them out

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            Valerie, Political discourse is just as old as America is, when we didn’t have America to grip about, the Brits B*tched about the King or the Queen. Sometimes it gets old being told about how mean we are and or disrepectful. Politics is Dirty and Ugly at Times, and it gets down right personal. If your gonna play expect to get dirty, or stay on the side lines, and hope the country will change from that perspective.__Just sayin…

      • http://! Angel Wannabe

        Yeah Doc, one outstanding boss, in your own mind!

      • Jack

        No he ment just what he said son of a Bitch !

      • Doc Sarvis

        You folks are so cute when you get your feathers all ruffled.

        • http://! Angel Wannabe

          Doc, Oh C’mon Doc, stop patting yourself on the back, nothing you say starts us up, the mere fact that we have an idiot in the White House does the trick, your just an Useful idiot the brass uses, just another Alinski-ite!.

          • Bob

            Quite right – the communists first used to term “useful idiot” to describe lieberals whose actions betrayed America and helped America’s enemies. Doc fits that description to a “T”.

          • Doc Sarvis

            Bob, so now you folks are taking after the communists.

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            Yeah Doc, that’s it, you got it__Oh Harriet….

          • Skyknight

            The government paid me for four years to kill Communist, and I’m good at it.

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            Skyknight_lol!

          • Valerie

            Maybe you should look in the mirror you will find the answer to your response. The fact that You are small enough that you are unable
            to acknowledge all names should be Capitalized regardless of your feeling feelings Eat you heart out you wil have to wait until his term is up. I guess if someone is not in agreement with you they are an Idiot

          • JeffH

            The term “MONKEY TOOL” fits Doc quite well!

          • JC

            Doc Sarvis says:
            May 18, 2011 at 8:47 am
            Bob, so now you folks are taking after the communists.
            ____________________________________________________________________
            You almost got it right, but should read:
            “Going” after the communists.
            Glad I could help :)

        • DaveH

          How come we can never have factual non-emotional discussions when the Liberals are around? That’s a rhetorical question of course.

          • eddie47d

            LOL Dave. Is it because Jeff and Time play the Monkey Tool game and think it’s cute? Nothing rational about those two.

          • DaveH

            Eddie,
            That is no excuse for your bad behavior. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

          • JeffH

            I detect more jealousy from 47Stupid.

      • S.C. Murf

        Like Jesus said Doc heal thy self (mentally)please

        up the hill
        airborne

        Hey 45 I was with the 101st attached to the 1st of the 501st Inf.. Between tours they had me stationed at Ft Bragg N.C. nice part of the country

        • Cliffystones

          S.C.

          Did you know that Janet considers you a possible reg ht-wing terrorist?

          • Cliffystones

            That was supposed to be “right-wing” ;O.

          • S.C. Murf

            Right wing YES, terrorist? only if one is on my property and trying to take what belongs to me and mine

            up the hill
            airborne

        • patty

          Skynight & SC Murf. I thank you for your service.

      • Mick

        No doc…I think he meant slick obnoxious bastard,,,,,

      • Penny R. Freeman

        I’ve heard Obama called a lot of things, but that’s a new one on me. Only the truly liberal dimwits and mass media who’ve been bought and paid for by George Soros are buying the lies Obama and his administration continue to spew at this point. If it were that easy for the SEALs to go into Pakistan and kill the most wanted terrorist in all the world why wasn’t it done before? I can tell you why. Obama was not being as widely criticized for being weak in his handling of foreign affairs. Just like all the kissups in his administration have declared our border more safe than it has ever been, but that isn’t the case and they know it. We have a wide open border which can be easily crossed by illegals from anywhere in the world. And yes it has been proven repeatedly that the illegals found in our border states are not just from Mexico and countries south of our border. If you ask people in that area they will tell you flatly they are terrified and do not feel safe even if they live many miles from the border. What has the administration done? Stopped all work on a border fence, sent a few more border patrol agents, demanded that border states not harass or even ask for verification that people violating the laws are American citizens, decided to sue Arizona because the state decided to act to protect her citizens which the feds refuse to do (and that is one of their primary responsibilities), and to be sure to keep illegals who somehow managed to help elect Obama in 2008 and keep the legal Hispanic vote in his pocket he visited our southern border and presented another of his staged performances before an audience selected to make a favorable impression on the public. Obama is a good performer and staged speech deliveror, but he has no leadership skills and is not the least bit interested in keeping America the country she is. His idea of America is a liberal Muslim dominated hell hole just like all the Middle East. Does he give a damn what most Americans think? NO! As long as he can go down in history as the president who destroyed this country and in so doing destroyed the western way of life he really doesn’t care. Afterall he’s Soros’s puppet and he dances to any tune Soros picks. The end goal-to push America over the cliff and force us into the one world government that Soros, Clinton, Obama, Ayers, and plenty of the other corrupt lying pinheads in his administration desire. Will he suceed? Only if the masses who blindly marched to the drums beat by the liberal media continue to blindly follow him as they have in the past. Doc Sarvis, has it never become clear to you that any time there is an issue which makes “the annointed one” seem less popular or appear to be losing out on one of his legislative goals that his administration somehow manages to stage a speech presented before a receptive audience? Do you not remember the “doctors” to whom he gave the speech about Obamacare when that crappy law was falling out of favor with the public? I’d be willing to bet not a one of those in that group actually was a doctor. Afterall where has most of the criticism I have read about Obamacare come from? Doctors! I could name plenty of other instances that have been staged to keep our liar-in-chief in the public’s favor, but why waste my time. Liberal dimwits like yourself will never see the light until it’s too late to make a change. And as long as the paycheck is good enough to buy their biased reporting the media will never in any way tell you the truth about how corrupt and dishonest Obama and his whole cast of characters truly are.

        • Dagney

          Hi, Penny! Great points. Could you please use some paragraphs when going from one point to another? It would make all your great points much easier to read. Thanks!

        • DaveH

          You go Girl!

          • Dan az

            Double ditto!!!!!

      • Push comes to shove

        Doc pinch yourself, you need to wake up from that dream, or maybe not since reality would ahtter you illusions or should i say dellusions.

        The only thing O-bama is great at propping himself up for the media.

      • Wayne937

        I think it may mean “strung out bastard”. I maybe wrong though. We’ll have to let him clarify that one.

      • JC

        Doc Sarvis says:

        May 18, 2011 at 7:51 am

        You must mean a – Strong Outstanding Boss.
        ________________________________________________________________
        If by Strong Outstanding Boss you mean
        Low-Life Invertebrate Scum Bag…
        then yes absolutely I agree. :)

      • http://personalliberty.com frank

        sarvis watch the movie a bronx tale thereis a line in it that says he’s a jer- off that defines you and eddie 47.

    • Edward Chandler

      sean,you will never see another one like him either. Th world couldn’t stand 2 of them

  • Raggs

    I said the first time that i seen him who he is…

    Now his supreme court just upheld a decision of a lower court that grants police authority to enter and search a home without cause or warrant. The supreme court will also uphold the unconstitutional obamacare…

    It is only a matter of time before all guns are confiscated..

    • Raggs

      Oh BTW…. Now that the police can illegaly search your home, your vehicle will also be searched along with anything that you have in it computers etc… The ole touchy feely routine that the TSA does will now be a ball grabbing barney fife….

    • Jovianus

      Raggs…let me correct you as seems to be the general habit. That SCOTUS ruling, which I agree is a agree is a travesty against the Right to unreasonable searches…was by a SCOTUS packed with conservative appointed judges. This is also the Court that ruled foreign monies can flow directly to campaigns as well as unlimited corporate monies and allowed for rules which wealthy individuals can donate millions … while the individual small guy remains limited.

      Like has been said over and over, we will suffer for the eight years of the prior GOP administration for generations. And y’all voted for the guy…so look in the mirror when you wonder where your freedoms have gone…you voted for the peole who took them

      • Bob

        What are you smoking this early in the morning? SCOTUS is no more packed with conservatives than your head is packed with brain cells.

        • eddie47d

          Now when the Supreme Court makes a judgement in favor of a Liberal issue you all say it’s packed with Liberal judges. So what is the difference?

          • Bob

            The term “packed” implies that the president stacked the deck with judges of either the right or left persuasion – like the dictator FDR tried to do back in the 40s. The court is not packed in that sense because it is somewhat to the left but not enough to win for evil every time. Since this is true, your statement is a lie; therefore you are a liar (no surprise there).

          • Kate8

            Come on, you guys. The SCOTUS now rules the way they are told to rule by the NWO. The Constitution is no longer considered. Things are being set up for the ever-increasing police state.

          • JC

            There are no “Liberal” issues any more eddie…only Americans and socialists…and we know which one you are.

      • Bitter Libertarian

        “And y’all voted for the guy”
        And perhaps you wonder why your disliked…I didnt…Your “all encompassing statement” proves your no better then the “conservatives” who slander & mock anyone who disagrees with their position. Not very polite of you.

        • Jovianus

          BL…you did not vote for Gore or Kerry? Correct ?

          • Push comes to shove

            Jovi (the tried and true liberal)

            answering with a questionlike that only shows you have no real agrument.

          • DaveH

            Jovianus, aka HFlashman, aka Jeremy Leochner, aka ….
            A Schizophrenic giving us life advice. Classic.

          • JeffH

            Jovi-commie, baaaahhhh, baaahhhhh, baaaahhhh.

            Why do you waste your time here after having been outed as an internet troll with multiple personalities?

            Everyone should just ignore this carnival side show…boycott this faker alltogether.

          • Bitter Libertarian

            The “Guy” I voted for was not on the DNC or RNC Ticket.

          • Dan az

            B L
            Neither did I and probably many more here.Like Jeff said its time that we just ignore them,without a responce they probably don’t get paid!

        • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

          Bitter:

          And if Albore had managed to carry HIS OWN STATE Fl would have been irrelevant…

      • DaveH

        Is the Supreme court packed with Liberals or Conservatives? I would say Liberals (Big Government Lovers), because there really aren’t too many Jefferson-style conservatives these days in Government. So I guess the more correct comparison would be are they Left-Wingers or Right-Wingers?
        The courts have been packed with Big-Government judges since Lincoln’s presidency who let the commerce clause give Big Government intrusive powers over just about anything Big Government wants.

        • DaveH

          Let’s get educated people, and stop letting the Leaders feather their own nests at our expense. A good place to start would be reading the Federalist Papers to get a better idea of the kind of Freedom that our founders had in mind when they wrote the Constitution:
          http://www.foundingfathers.info/federalistpapers/

        • DaveH

          Here’s another good site:
          http://constitutingamerica.org/

          Government is spending 40% of our GDP. Hong Kong and Singapore get by on less than 20% of GDP. Why? Are they just better people than we are? Doubtful.
          Let’s get back to voluntary Free Markets, where the consumer is king. Let’s quit being led around by Politicians and their Crony Capitalists whose only real interests are self-preservation and more power.

    • http://n/a john robison

      That my friend will be a much harder task than you and this government is up to…there are more hunters than military personell the average military person owns one gun the average hunter owns 3.7 guns…I think taking our guns is not going to be a wise move for the government at all….

    • smilee

      That was the Indiana Supreme Court and Obama does not appoint those judges, facts mean nothing to you guys do they

      • Vigilant

        That’s the first time I’ve seen you post something correctly. It was the Indiana SC.

        The ignorance of the facts, my friend, was on both sides of the political spectrum, but that means nothing to you, does it?

        • DaveH

          No, they don’t, because Sleepee “Can’t handle the Truth!”

          • smilee

            Davy, Interesting statement coming from one who cannot recognize the truth

          • DaveH

            I recognize that it doesn’t come from you, Sleepee.

        • Kate8

          Vigilant – It doesn’t really matter which court rules on what anymore. They are all controlled by the NWO elites, and will continue to work for the agenda, Constitution notwithstanding.

          Today the Indiana court, tomorrow another court…all the way up to the top. Same result, more than likely. You might find a hold-out judge here and there, but then, Judge Roll stands as an example of what happens when you don’t cooperate.

    • http://! Angel Wannabe

      Raggs, Oh my, we have joivanus today, wonder who’s name he’ll change to, in an hour??

      • DaveH

        I think he can only do one personality per day.

        • http://! Angel Wannabe

          DH, lol!

      • Raggs

        I don’t know but ANUS fits pretty good don’t ya think?

      • Kate8

        Angel – Well, today we have Pastor. And Valerie has come out of the woodwork again.

        • http://! Angel Wannabe

          kate 8 and raggs__WOW!__Anus is Transgendered perhaps?

          • Dan az

            Angel LMAO!!!

          • JC

            Maybe only “one of his personalities” is transgender?
            The other 4 are insane though. ;)

    • patty

      #1 – That law is only in Indiana…so far. http://tribstar.com/news/x1376631923/Tea-partiers-plan-to-fight-ruling-on-cop-access
      #2-3 of the 5 Justices were appointed by Republican Govenors.

      • Raggs

        What I have seen on Fox the supreme court upheld the judges decision.

        So lets give a senario… If you are pulled over on the way to work for speeding the cop gets pissy with you, you get pissy to the cop he has your address…. So a few hours go by and then you have an unsuspected visitor at you house who just so happens to have a bag of weed that he drops…. A few hours later you return home (unnoticing the bag of weed ) you get a visitor again oh my…. No warrant and your busted!

        • patty

          So, did he drop this in my house or outside of my house? And, how did he by-pass the alarm system if inside the house? Because if he dropped it at my front door, I don’t have a key to and it could go unnoticed for a while. Plus, they would have to get my prints on the bag. Was it skunk weed or MN green?
          I don’t smoke the stuff but I heard that skunk weed was better! I understand what you are saying. Having been married to a cop for a long time, the old generation of them would not do it. The politically motivated new generation ones, I’m not so sure of. Of the retired cops that I know, what they fear the most is our gov’t. Just ask one. They tried to indoctrinate them. Too old school to do that.

        • Wayne937

          Raggs, I certainly hope that something like this would never happen. I am a retired police officer. I always held myself to a higher standard than to do something like that. Maybe it was the way I was raised by my parents. I was taught to obey the golden rule “due unto others as you would have them do unto you”. I always held myself higher than the criminal element I was dealingt with. If this would ever happen, and the officer doingt it is caught, that the judge on the case would double the penalty for anyone in uniform that would do such a terrible misdeed. Most of us have a concious that would never allow this to happen. I realize, however, there are always exceptions to everything. Let’s hope it never happens.

          • patty

            So Wayne, I don’t know what city/town you live in, but, is your 1st circle of highways the 1st line of defense to keep people from exiting the city? Were you a 1st responder?

          • patty

            Silence is Golden.

          • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

            Wayne:

            This “rulling” could very well lead to a lot of dead cops. If they tried coming into my house w/o a warrant it would get bloody very quickly as they would be nothing more than burglars and treated as such.

  • Tazio2013

    IMPROV, a majority of rational thinking Americans realize that BHO has a very high probability of a 2nd term and there is very little, if anything, the (currently estimated at +/- 25% of the electorate) crusading christian conservative, hypocritical, islamophobic, homophobic, myopic, racist, fascist, war-mongering, tea-bagging, white wing wacko republicans can do to prevent his re-election. Suggest you re-read today’s DB and start thinking about November 2016.

    http://www.thedailybell.com/2327/Politics-as-Usual-Are-Over-in-the-US.html
    On May 17, 2011, at 9:46 AM, Mary wrote:

    Maybe if we all cry UNCLE, this will stop.. NOT!!! M.

    Obama manipulated Federal Courts by manufacturing legal precedent through Chicago corruption to conceal his Presidential ineligibility.
    Now this is very interesting. http://blog.doodooecon.com/2011/05/Chicago-precedent.html

    • Kate8

      Tazio – Your doodoo link didn’t work.

    • Dennis Patrick

      The doodoo “logic” didn’t work either

  • http://www.diyyardandhome.com Dan

    What a raciest to suggest a black man has to play the role of Obama when it could have just as well have been Bernie Madoff which would be much more fitting.

    “No doubt Hollywood producers are hoping Wesley Snipes will be released from jail so he can play the role of the commander in chief.”

    • Raggs

      Go play on a busy interstate and STOP with the racist BS FOOL!

      • http://www.diyyardandhome.com Dan

        I guess I am a fool because I didn’t take the time to explain that is was satire or who Bernie Madoff is.

        • Cliffystones

          I get the “sarcasm” Dan. But for some folks you need to write it in Braille and shove it up their…………….

        • DaveH

          I’m with you on this one, Dan. As near as I can figure Wesley’s main crime is trying to live Free in an Unfree world. So I think John could have picked a better example.

      • http://www.diyyardandhome.com Dan

        You actually want me to die because you think I’m a fool? Sounds kind of a liberal attitude to me.

        • Al Sieber

          Dan, no problem I understood what you meant. I heard Wesley Snipes got 3 years, if we all decided not to pay our income taxes (a tax on our labor) which is illegal, what could they do? sorry I got off subject.

          • Jovianus

            Al….one right we have is you cannot be tossed into the hoosegow for debt. The IRS can prosecute for evasion, filing false returns etc but not for owing taxes.

          • Al Sieber

            Jov, a tax on our labor is illegal, show me the law where it says we have to pay income tax, just show me the damn law.

          • Christin

            AL S,
            Got this web site from another poster this week about TAXES and the IRS.

            The IRS is a Fraud?…

            http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/48643-sherry-jackson-the-political-prisoner-and-former-irs-agent-jailed-for-standing-up-for-truth-and-justice-needs-our-help-after-her-release

            Someone posted that she got herself exempted from paying federal income taxes… wonder how one does that??? …anybody know?

          • Christin

            Al S,

            Continued… IRS
            I like what Sherry Jackson said…”that we keep feeding the Monster by paying our taxes.”

            Sherry said, “that our taxes don’t even go to paying for our government.”

            So WHO IS the IRS that is forcing us to “Pay Up” or put us in jail for tax evasion… sounds a lot like Chicago thug style gangsters… and what are they doing with OUR money???

            I want mine back!

          • DaveH

            That’s right, Al, the system is “Voluntary”, but only if you choose to voluntarily pay.

          • DaveH

            For those not familiar with the concept of “Voluntary” Income Taxes see this:
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7mRSI8yWwg

            The Leaders think we are completely Brain-Dead!

          • Kate8

            Jovi – Before you get too comfy…debtors prison is on its way back. Just like in the old days, soon you can be thrown in prison for non-payment of any debt.

            Gov’t will use any and every reason to round people up. That’s one of the purposes of encouraging so much debt among the populace. When the cash-flow dries up, there is nowhere to go.

          • Al Sieber

            Christin and DaveH, what I can see is, the IRS is a collection agency (the THUGS) for the Federal Reserve, like the Mafia, they have people that collect money for them and you better have their money or else, the only difference is the Mafia has more class.

        • Raggs

          No I prehaps misunderstood you…. SRY…

          • DaveH

            Good man, Raggs.

    • james karalis

      A chimp from the zoo would be what is needed to play obongo !

  • Warrior

    My suspicion is that the end of 2012 will produce a startling surprise to those who believe they are in charge. “We the people” will elect to take back our lives and stop this madness.

    • Al Sieber

      That’s what it originally was “We the People”, not “We the Govt.”. we out number them 99-1. I believe you about 2012.

      • DaveH

        Maybe, but close to 50% are sucking on the Government teet in one way or another. Personally, I think it will get a lot worse before it gets better. Too many dumbed-down sheeple.

        • Kate8

          Yes, our government was birthed “of the people”, was was set up to be controlled by us…

          But, it’s just like giving birth to a child, and then indulging that child’s every whim without discipline. He grows up to be a monster, with a huge sense of entitlement and need to control, and a shame to his family.

          Our government shames us.

          • DaveH

            Good example, Kate.

        • JC

          You’re right about that Dave, we have a lot of dead weight to lose.

        • Al Sieber

          Dave, I believe you about the 50%, and this is just the beginning of the economic collapse, maybe some people are beginning to realize it. for most it’ll be too late.

  • Cawmun Cents

    So….let me get this straight,Packyerpeanutbutterstan is our ally in the war against terror?Seems kind of funny how that phrase is tossed around.How could an ally put up the public enemy #1,in a fortified compound and not even know it?They couldnt.They hide the Taliban in their mountains,a place where even goats fear to tread,and they are our allies?Seems like someone in the state department has been drinking heroin laced kool-aid.These guys are allies like Mussolini was our ally during WW2.Oh yeah….I can see how the conversation went…(sound of hookah being toked on,Hillary’s voice muffled as she holds in the smoke)”you guys been housing UBL for how long?”(blows out smoke){Pakistani ambassador},”bout five years now.”(back to Hillary)”no f–kin’ way…..hahahahaha.”{ambassador}”yep…is that s–t funny or what?”(both of them laugh as they rise out of bed to start putting on their clothes,Hillary says,)”y’know I gotta kill that bastard now right?”{ambassador asks as he pull the sheepskin off of his yoohoo}”you want to keep this?”(Hillary)”Naw…just throw it away like a republican throws away free healthcare!”(both of them laugh again.){Pakistani ambassador says to Hillary},”Good thing we are such great allies huh??”{thinking to himself,”she aint Benazir Bhutto,but once you get past the cankles…..”}

    • Jovianus

      “.How could an ally put up the public enemy #1,in a fortified compound and not even know it?”

      Good question. My opinion? They knew it. We didn’t say anything so we were able to snuff bin Laden. Now they’re all twisted about it trying to muddy the waters.

      Here’s a thought for you … we had a CIA safe house watching that compound for 6 months. Pakistan had no clue obviously. Totally inept as well as double dealing. Wow…

    • Dan az

      CC
      That one is killing my sides lol!!Yu sooooo baaaad!!!!

    • http://! Angel Wannabe

      Cawmun Cents___ROFLMAO!!!!

  • bob wire

    WoW ! John ~ spreading it on kinda thick this morning mi amigo.

    With the GOP coming apart like a cheap suit, it makes anyone not a part of it look sort of good, I suppose.

    This attempt to run in lock step with such a fragmented group and GOP leadership acting like some big nanny is quite comical to say the least.

    When you have GOP hopeful tell us that McCain doesn’t know anything about torture or that Right Wing social engineering is bad, left wing is bad , ~ and Flush Plumbbob telling us that even he can’t explain it!

    We all should know Right wing social engineering should be much better! ~ I can’t hold back the laughter.

    • Robin from Arcadia, IN

      Bob Wire… Is your comment connected to this article, or are you commenting on something else? I fail to see the connection.

      • Doc Sarvis

        I see his (Bob Wire) point being that these (the article) are the weak – baseless attacks of a desperate bunch on the right who make a lot of noise but have nothing better to offer. The right is sinking in these troubled times and the centrist President we have is making progress (too slow for many of us) on very tough issues.

        • Jovianus

          Exactly Doc…

          • Robin from Arcadia, IN

            Jovi… Doc… and Bob Wire…. You are all the same person, aren’t you? Clever! You make it sound like there is 3 of you when there is only 1! I suppose you think it makes it look like you have support when you try to spread your liberalism.

          • S.C. Murf

            Robin it just means that they make 3 popping sounds when they pull their heads out of their butts

            up the hill
            airborne

          • Jovianus

            Robin…Livingston has failed to man up for that. But you’ll note any post which it has been brought up disappears. Enough has been said on that issue…you believe what you want.

          • eddie47d

            Knock Knock Robin. Please come back to reality and stop playing your mind games.

          • libertytrain

            Jovi – you really do like to lie. Posts disappear? Gee I haven’t noticed you gone yet.

          • Jovianus

            Liberty…go find the one you posted after Dennisio and I commented on it yesterday. ’nuff said. Episode over.

          • libertytrain

            I know I’ve had posts disappear before on this and other sites – so have others, some things are just flukes in the world of the Internet, back-up systems, etc. You should know that by now. After all your messages are still here –

          • JeffH

            I’m sure you want to put “it” behind you Jovi-commie…Ain’t gonna happen here…faker.

          • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear Jovianus,

            None of your posts have been deleted by me or the moderator. You are not being truthful.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • DaveH

            Jovianus, not being truthful? Surprise, Surprise!

          • Jovianus

            Mr. Livingston. I stand corrected. I thought I saw posts from Liberty, myself and Dennisio all disappear. Sorry for my error. OK…I’ll clarify it then, you did not man up or take amends.

          • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear Jovianus,

            This little tête-à-tête has grown tiresome. I have nothing for which to “man up.” Your IP, and that of the other posters I mentioned previously (and another or two I didn’t), has not changed. That indicates you are either all one in the same, or something more nefarious is afoot: That you are all posting out of the same location and doing so to intentionally disrupt the site. Only you and your “friends” know the truth. I’ll let the readers decide for themselves. Just understand, the ice on which you stand grows thin.

            All the best,
            Bob

          • bob wire

            I assure you all, ~ Mr. Livingston has proven over time to be very tolerate of decent offered on these forums.

            I have experienced no such problems with any of my out spoken posting.

            and! ~ I am but one person ~ Darwan Winkler aka Bob Wire ~ if I’m not mistaken , my IP can be verified and my IP can be block by the host digression with three key strokes. Make no mistake, this is Mr. Livingston’s train and we all ride at his pleasure.

            and Robin , ~ Doc summed up my morning posting in eloquent fashion.

            I thought John Meyers title post was witty, colorful and he did an excellent job making something from nothing. This is not an easy thing to do, day in and day out with endless gloomy news that needs to appear rosy.

            and while I find referring to any popping sound as some feeble attempt at catatonic (bathroom) humor ( which seems all to common place here by many for you. ~ Just maybe you should consider taking your own advise since annal retentions seems to dominate your waking thoughts, or so it would appear.

            At least Time has moved on to “Monkey Works” ~ maybe the rest of you could get your minds out this rut of butt jokes.

        • Bob

          Tough issues – you mean like betraying the USA, pauperizing the productive, and turning the USA into a socialist distopia?

        • DaveH

          “Centrist President”, Doc? Well, I guess we know now where your head is. But please keep saying things like that so the Readers can see just how wacked out the Liberals are.

          • eddie47d

            I believe they come back to show how whacked out the Libertarians are and for the daily circus. Without all the usual carnival barkers I’m not sure if anyone would show up. Thanks for your share of entertainment Dave H.! Your spin of the wheel gets you a stuffed monkey or a stuffed elephant.Jeff can donate one of his. Just for grins Dave what is the symbol of the Libertarian Party?

          • Dan az

            Eddiieee
            Its the finger that I”M holding up can you see it?

          • eddie47d

            That fits your Party perfectly! How novel.

          • DaveH

            I love it when you make comments like that, Eddie. You lose more credibility every time you do. But then, since you already have zero credibility, I guess something from zero is still just zero.

          • JeffH

            I have to laugh at 47Stupid’s now focused attaks on Libertatrians(actually it’s his frustration with DaveH). Your envy is so obvious.

          • DaveH

            Yeah, he’s such a thug. I had to laugh when he threatened me with not becoming a Libertarian. As if I would want people like him in our party.

          • Al Sieber

            Dan az, that’s a good one, between Kingman Az., and Laughlin Nv., on Hwy 68 going towards the Colorado River theres a big rock outcrop that looks like a big middle finger, “called Finger Rock”. the real name on the topographical map USGS is Thumb Butte, but it doesn’t look like a thumb.

          • eddie47d

            Dave,Did Jeff give you that stuffed monkey yet? I hope you are enjoying Dan’s middle finger as your party symbol. Hey Jeff are you in Dave’s front pocket or back pocket? Do you pay each other to troll for each other or just playing pocket pool?

    • Jovianus

      Good points Bob..good points. Here’s a paragraph which was so erronoeus as to give a hearty laugh

      “First, the economy is in shambles, unemployment is sky high, price inflation is excessive, and the U.S. military has been bombing civilians in an attempt to assassinate (Moammar) Gadhafi, including murdering innocent little children. Our money is being destroyed before our eyes. The wars are not going well for the ruling elite, and Obama’s ratings are horribly low at the beginning of his presidential crusade.”

      Economy in shambles. Well, in Janaury 2008 it was in a freefall. Hundreds of thousands laid off every month, stock market crashing, banks going under, our industrial heartland losing companies hand over fist and manufacturing output tumbling, dollar in a frefall valuation. That was an economy in shambles on the precipice of collapse and we faced a Depression in the face. Now? Manufacturing growing, employment growing in all sectors but two…housing and government. GM is back to being privatized saving hjundreds of thousands of jobs, new businesses poping up everywhere, the dollar is gaining value the past couple of months against most major currencies, exports growing, stock market is stable and reaching new highs.

      Unelmployment skyhigh. No, it’s at 9.0%. Employment is growing by a couple of hundred thousands a month now…all in the private sector. The unemployment rate is at 9.0% because of returnees to the job market. Indicating that prior to the job creation policies, Bush had managed to send it well into the teens. We are no longer worried about it going up…we are trying to get it down. Big difference.

      Price inflation is excessive. Commodities jumped big time especially in food. Natural as comodoties lead economic recovery as speculators invest in a growing demand. Take out oil and food, inflation is negligible. Oil is coming down and so is food. Though recent weather events will likely drive food back up a bit.

      US Military bombing civilians to assasinate Khaddafy. Oh c’mon. There’s a frippin’ revolution going on in Libya. You’d rather we support Khaddafy? The quoted author left out it’s a NATO excercise and that the strikes are against military targets. And all signs point to Khaddaffy joining his exiled fellow dictators.

      Our money is being destroyed before our eyes. And that’s why the dollar has ceased its 40 month freefall against world currencies and has shown gains the past few months.

      Our wars are not going well for the ruling elite. Hey…don’t go putting ‘our’ in front of wars. while the right swallowed the lies leading us into a useless war in Iraq…most people had serious doubts as to the truthfulness of the GOP led administration. We’re getting out of Iraq, we have a timetable to get out of Afghanistan.

      Pakistan? Well … that’s another fine mess Bush and the GOP left us. Can’t pull out without stranding our troops in Afghanistan, it has over 100 nukes now (thank you George), and we seriously cannot let muslim radicals take over. if I had my way, we’d step aside and tell India “go to it boys!” … which may well happen in the end.

      I’ll toss in two more for everyone not mentioned in that paragraph of outlandish lies. Immigration…we’ve deported more in past two years than any other two year period in our history and we have more border patrols than ever before. Oil production. Domestic oil production is at an all time high having gone up the past two years.

      Overall, by almost any measure…where we were in january 2009 and where we are today….we’re on the way back. Not yet out of danger…Bush?Cheney screwed it up so bad it will take years to recover from GOP mismanagement, graft, and corruption.

      Oh..and those who say I’m lying? Post your figures folks. Where we were in January 2009 and where we are now.

      • jibbs

        9% unemplotment!! that doe’s not include those that are self employed, or those who are still out of work and ran out of unemployment. It also doe’s not include those that are under employed. What don’t you do your own homework, and not rely on the the government bullshit.

        • S.C. Murf

          He likes living under a rock jibbs, just keep feeding him bull$hit and he’s happy

          up the hill
          airborne

        • Jovianus

          Jibbs..I agree. 9.0% undersates the mess we were in by January 2009. The key phrase is that we are not worried about unemployment going up, we’re trying to now bring it down. Key difference. With the millions who lost jobs due to Bush/Cheney and that fiasco….we need something like a 300,000 per month job gain to make up for those losses in the next five years.

          Now…it can probably be done…but THAT would give us double digit inflation as we’d have to heat up the economic recovery to a point which we literally accept 20% inflation in trade for that type of job growth. There is no quick fiox to the fiasco of the eight years of Bush/Cheney.

          • eddie47d

            So many think the economy was collapsing in 2008 when it started slightly in 2005 when we put our house on the market. By 2006 there were worries and it didn’t sell for 13 months. We knew we had to sell quick and took a huge loss. We saw the games Wall Street was playing and how they were manipulating the markets.I lived it as so many other Americans did. This happened at the beginning of G. Bush’s 2nd term so to lay this failed economy on Obama is pathetic at best. This is why Bush was brought up so often for we went to the source of the hemorrhaging and who was in charge. Dodds and Franks deserved their lickings too for failing to see the disaster that was approaching. Granted Obama had more hope than solid experience but he has dealt with every issue he said he would. When the opposition opposes each and every issue for political gain and offers nothing solid for the economy then they are in rabid support for Bush’s failed policies. Creating the gridlock that consumes this nation. Going back to what got us in hot water is hardly an improvement yet the right insists on doing just that.Their no regulations and the free for all that cooked the books is not acceptable.

        • smilee

          Jibbs

          That’s how they calculated unemployment during the Bush years and before and the momentum to the bottom was full speed when he left office and impossible to stop it on a dime, now its going the other way and you come up with this totally irrelevant statement

        • karolyn

          Where’s Bob Livingston when aconservative uses a foul word?! I was called on this the other day when I posted that I’ve seen conservatives posting foul language and getting away with it. Everybody said it was the liberals doing it. I will call it whenever I see it from now on.

          • libertytrain

            good grief.

          • JeffH

            karolyn, what happened to the fields of daisies and rainbows with unicorns? You’re being such a negative sourpuss.

          • Karolyn

            Jeff – I’m just stating a fact. It gets a bit tiresome to get beaten up every time one posts just because I’m from the “other side” (oooooh!); so if I find something that backs up something I’ve said, I’m gonna comment. I’ve had a wonderful day! :-)

          • Kate8

            karolyn – You are choosing to post on a conservative site. You know you are going to get beaten up if you say dumb things.

          • JeffH

            Kate8, you so right. Karolyn literally asks for most of what she recieves around here.

            Karolyn, the first lesson is to never give out any personal information about yourself.

          • Patty

            Karolyn-Doesn’t your gov’t. beat you up enough? You feel the need to come here and get more abuse? Do you have a “V” for victim tatooed on your forehead or are you just masachistic?

      • WeMadeAmistake

        FACT:
        Bush unemployment was 5.4%
        Deficit was $454 Billion

        Obama unemployment now is 9.2% and still rising
        Deficit is now $1.4 Trillion

        Obama’s incompetence has increased our federal debt by 60% in just 28 months in office. Food stamps recipients are the highest in history with 44 million Americans now receiving them. Gasoline is now at the highest levels it has ever been.

        You libtards can lie and spin the truth all you want with your phony ‘saved or created’ cover ups, but if Obama was a CEO, his arrogant, incompetent performance would have gotten him fired his first year in office.

        • Jovianus

          We…first off, the 2009 budget was Bush’s and the GOPs. Next…you’d rather instead of stopping the freefalling economy Obama had let it totally collapse? Seriously? You have a short memory span don’t you…or a desire to have seen the end of this nation.

          • TIME

            WOW, Jo, now lets talk about that failing others have in the rewrite factor, and see if its also applicable to you.

            Ok, lets see, congress was held in 2006 – 2007 – 2008 – 2009 – 2010 by whom again?

            Whats a RINO?

            Be that as it may I will say this again for you.
            There is NO differance in GWB and Barry Soetoro, nor has there really been with the DemO’s V RebO, when PROGRESSIVE v PROGRESSIVE is on the table.

            At this point in time we now have a few pepole who made it in to both houses that may be there under the RebO ticket, but are in fact “REAL AMERICANS,”
            Not the bent Pro Law Makers that have lived way to long in DC.
            Its TIME to send these Pro Law Makers home for the last time, as in FIRE them.

            You seem to be all for the POOR and down trodden, so if you could please just point out What the DEMO’s have done for them, as well what is it that Barry has done for them that is of real value, not rhetoric?
            As in – other than make absurd promises for more FREE Hand outs.

            So please do favor us all with your PEARLS of WISDOM based in TRUTH rather than your normal “Pretzel Logic Rhetoric.”
            I know when I say we all await your well rounded Fact filled answer.

          • patty

            1st off the 2009 budget was from a democratic house led by Pelosi with a 407 billion dollar deficit.

          • JeffH

            TIME, on point as usual…!

      • smilee

        Jovianus says:
        May 18, 2011 at 8:16 am

        Very good article but to agree with you most on this site would have admit that this man, Obama, they hate so deeply, really does know what he is doing. It takes honest people like you to tell it like it really is. Thanks

        • http://! Angel Wannabe

          smilee, the only thing Obama has done so far is destroy this country even further, _Good Grief what a progressive suck up!

          • smilee

            Are you trying to convince us that when he took office everything was honky dory, Please things are still bad but no longer going down hill. The country was on the verge of destruction when Bush left office and to repair his destructive activities will take years and as things are gradually turning around it is headed in the right direction and if the Bush types and worse would not work so hard to further destroy this country it would be easier to turn things around too. You give no indication of what specifically you think he has destroyed as you you types usually do. We know you hate the man so I thinks that is your motivation as it certainly not based on fact.

          • patty

            No Smilee-Everything wasn’t hunky-doory and then this fool doubled down plus on bad policy. Just shows that he is a follower, not a leader. He can say he is “present” however.

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            Smilee, what he destroyed?__we didn’t need Obamacare, people weren’t dying in the streets as was suggested by Obama and His Merry Band of Thieves. If they were dying in the streets, then sadly those folks didn’t know where to find Medicare, Medicaid and Welfare Assitance which was/is/and has been in place!_-We needed reform not a takeover!
            That’s just for starters, I’m gettin my Grandson some lunch……I’ll get back to it later!

          • smilee

            Patty if it is so bad then how do you explain that he brought the free fall of the economy to a standstill and started it on a upward trajectory. It costs a lot of money to do that which was necessary to do that and may I remind you it was Bush and company that in the end saw the light and started this in a direction that Obama agreed with and continued but if we had not been borrowing and spending like drunken sailors on foolish stuff for the previous eight years much of this would not have been be necessary. Only three presidents have come into office to real crisis siturations, Lincoln, F Roosevelt and Obama and those before him took years to get back to normal after the crisis, you seem to believe what so should be able to produce miracles. Such a simple analysis you people have.

          • smilee

            Angel Wannabe says:
            May 18, 2011 at 11:14 am

            First of all your analysis is incorrect and it is not a government takeover as you imaginations has led you to believe and yes they are dying on the streets, do not you remember the news reports and clips of ambulances dropping people off on the streets in LA after the emergency rooms had stabilized them but they still were not in shape to take care of themselves so they dropped off on the streets most did not die on the streets but many died because they could not get health care. Some died most were taken into homeless shelters etc. and cared for. Many news reports have been done on this issue that you either do not know of or ignore. Red tape on Medicaid is so complicated many are not mentally competent to deal with that and the status quo has been to use the EM for many things that should be treated elsewhere but no insurance is available and also not everyone that is poor qualifies for medicaid, when the Republicans changed medicaid to block grants to states then we now have 50 different plans some states do a good job others do not and many fall through the cracks or in the EM. The affordable health care bill will change allmuch of that but not one medical facility will be taken over by the government or be run by them they will operate the same as always. Even the Mayo Clinic said this is a good start and a necessary step in the right direction,contrary to right wing propaganda this will make things better but will not solve the whole problem but again it is going in the right direction and if you really understood how it will work I’m sure you would not say the things you say

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            smilee, thats the exact thing, we talked about on another thread the news media!__I STILL cannot believe you people who hang on every word the news media says!__Can’t you folks see, the elite are driving the message, and are always using talking points from them, and falling for it.__if people literally were dying in the streets, because the lack of healthcare, it was because the of ignorance of where to go for help, or the lack transportation to get there. I’m sorry I’m not buying it!

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            smiley, it is each of our own responsibility to find and pay for our own healthcare!_-Its not the Guvs job!__Medicare, Medicaid and Welfare Assistance are and were all in place, for those that need a hand up. Nobody said, there wouldn’t be some who would fall through the cracks. My Dear, YOU CAN’T SAVE THE WORLD ON SOMEONE ELSES DIME!__My Mother fell through the cracks darlin’, she was crippled since she was 11 and died at 76, in between, we tried to apply for disability for her, and ya know what, it was only to have them say, she didn’t qualify!__ya know what, WE SURVIVED ANYWAY!___AND I’ll say another thing, I’ve never heard of ANYONE being turned down health care, because of being sickly!___example my Father lost his insurance, death benefits, when the company he retired from shut down I applied for insurance for him, and gave them his list of ailments, that included, 30 year diabetic, high blood pressure, leaking valves of the heart, cadio-myopathy, and asthma/emphysema. They took him, period and the end.__ When one door shuts, ya go thought the window, BUT ya don’t sit and wait for someone to do it for ya.

          • smilee

            AW

            You clearly do not understand the nature of the problem, life is a fairy tale to you. Health Care Insurance is not available to a large segment of the population because their salaries do not produce enough money to permit them to buy it and it is getting so that insurance covers so little many cannot afford health care with insurance and Medicaid is not good coverage in many states and in many states that is where they are cutting to balance budgets, if the GOP has their way in MN 100,000 poor people will loose health care next year. Your not keeping up with the times. I am old enough to remember when you did not have to buy insurance to get health care.. In 1946 my mother spent a month in St. Mary’s hospital in Rochester MN being treated by the surgeons from the Mayo Clinic and we had no insurance, Dad borrowed money from the local bank for this major surgery and in 1952 he had it paid off and our farm was only 240 acres. Today 240 acres will not make you a living and an operation like that will not be paid off in two life times without insurance and today most likely you would not get the surgery until you could show insurance and many can’t and do die. You still see life as it was then and that’s not our reality today. We need to take a hard look at this as all other countries can provide health care to its citizens at half the cost that we do and almost forty of these countries show better outcomes than we do aside form a few providers like the Mayo Clinic which does show better outcomes but only a small percentage of the population can access them, Another thing is the high rate of Bankruptcies with over 60% of them where unpaid health care costs are the reason and this of course drives up your health care costs, other countries do not have this problem and they put health care ahead of profits like we once did in this county. We have a real problem lady, and it needs to be addressed and if you would become part of the solution instead of the problem it would make that easier. This health care billmore is a good start and not the whole solution but may in time force a workable solution. As the Mayo Clinic who supported it said its a good start, I agree.

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            and smilee, your the one living in a Fairy tale, while it would be wonderful to cure the Nation of all health ills, not everyone will be saved. You going to have to face that sad fact. Your Saviour Obama isn’t going to save us either, and your Liberal News Media will never tell ya EVEN if they could save the world. Everything is a crisis to the Progressives and they’re media, to keep us scared and easily manipulated. A scared population is easily controlled, remember that! Instead of believing everything they parrot, draw your own conclusions. Commoners are not privied to viable GUV info, you’ve got to have and in. They’ll tell ya anything in the News, but take it for what it’s worth.

          • patty

            Smilee-The free fall is not at a stand still. Unemployment is going up, inflation is going up, the dollar is going down. If Obama had not bailed out the states to prop up state employees and their unions, where oh where would his campaign financing come from? Clinton made banks give bad mortgage loans by guaranteeing them to the banks. When the people who got the loans couldn’t pay for them, here come the bank bail outs. Where are those people now? Homeless? Renters? On Welfare? They are no longer homeowners. Where are the banks? 100% plus thanks to tax payers who had no say. Try seeing the bigger picture of how this all went down. It was not the past 8-10 years. It has been brewing for a long time. I am not a big supporter of Bush, but when your pick is bad or worse, I guess I go with bad.

          • patty

            Smilee-You are dead wrong. The Mayo Clinic thinks that Obamacare STINKS. http://hotair.com/archives/2009/07/20/obama-the-mayo-clinic-is-a-beacon-on-health-care-mayo-clinic-obamacare-stinks/
            And you said it in your spout from your mom needing a surgery with no insurance (by the way, I hope it all went very well for her)to insurance companies not covering anything. It is the insurance companies. It is the malpractice insurance coverage. It is the attorneys who sue doctors, hospitals, etc. Most unjustified, some (few) are. It is a lot of things that are driving up healthcare costs. But mainly, it is because you do not see a bill it goes through your insurance. I to live in MN and if you want coverage, get MnCare. It is on a sliding scale. Or stay active, healthy and eat right, but don’t make me pay if you come from a bad gene pool or make bad decisions for your health.

          • patty

            Smilee-And, it is reckless spending that causes bankruptcy, not illness. http://www.physorg.com/news139237438.html The illness cause for bankruptcy left us a few decades ago.

          • http://deleted Claire

            I pulled up the Mayo Clinic Health Policy Blog–they approve of Obamacare. Like everything else on the Internet, it depends upon which site you choose to read.

          • JeffH

            Claire, I have to take issue with you that the Mayo Clinic approves of the ACA. I just reviewed the content and what I gathered is that they are prepareing to deal with it.

            “The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (ACA) changed the nation’s health care landscape. As Mayo Clinic continues to prepare for the new environment, we remain steadfast in our mission of delivering high-value, patient-centered care.”

            “The ACA includes provisions that promote paying for value in health care, which we define as outcomes, safety and service divided by cost over time. These provisions are good, first steps to begin efforts to advance high-value health care. “However, we believe much more needs to be done.” In this effort, we are committed to working with you and other stakeholders to ensure that the ACA is implemented consistent with our four principles of high-value care, coordinated care, payment reform and insurance for all.”

            No where did I read that they approved or disapproved of the ACA, unless I missed it. Thier focus seems to be making sure they can provide the best “bang for the buck”, advancing high value health care.
            http://healthpolicyblog.mayoclinic.org/

          • Sutekh

            Obama does know what he is doing, for sure.

            Rather than call him “Obozo,” as some have here, I think we need to respect him as an enemy in the same way that we respected Hitler. At this point, I’m kind of hoping that Borracho Bama goes completely nuts like Captain Queeg and has to be removed from office. unfortunately I see no sign that Bama is crazy or stupid. Evil yes, but not crazy, not stupid.

            Sutekh

          • http://deleted Claire

            JeffH– This is the site I looked at.

            healthpolicyblog.mayoclinic.org/2009/09/09mayo-clinic

          • JeffH

            Claire, what the Mayo Clinic said(September 9, 2009)was that they strongly supports President Obama’s call for health insurance reform and health care delivery reform, and agrees with the President’s position that the status quo is not acceptable. We believe that a bipartisan, collaborative approach is essential to achieving significant, patient-centered health care reform.

            Obamacare didn’t pass utill late December 2009. We all support health care reform, unfortunately the ACA does little to reform the health care industry. I can’t find anything that supports the claim that the Mayo Clinic endorses and supports the Affordable Care Act(ACA).
            http://healthpolicyblog.mayoclinic.org/2009/09/09/mayo-clinic-reaction-to-president-obamas-speech-september-9/

          • patty

            Thank you Jeff. They are being politically correct so as not to rain the Obama Gestapo down on them. I work with doctors, the ones that I talked to are quitting the business, leaving the country, or a wait and see if he gets thrown out of office. I am sorry Smilee, but you are not entitled to healthcare. You are entitled to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Not to the pursuit to destroy others because you feel entitled. Dr.’s wanted to see reform of the insurance industry and tort reform, not a take-over of their business by gov’t. agencies. Like my personal Dr. said when I asked her how she felt about Obamacare, “You think I am going to spend any quality time with you now that I will have to see 3 times the patients a day? If you can get in to see me at all? Does that give you a clue as to what is in store? Talk to the snow bird Canadians traveling from there to stay in AZ & FL. They take out a 3-6 month American policy and get all of their medical check ups and care here.

          • Patty

            Smilee-PLUS, they didn’t even know what was in that healthcare bill when they passed it. “We will have to pass it to find out what is in it”-Pelosi. Well we now know some of it, not all of it yet, and it stinks. Also, all of that bail out money went to ensure that the states did not start laying off teachers and other state union employees so that their union dues will go towards his billion dollar campaign fund. Talk about a dictatorship ensuring he has the funds to finish destroying this country.

        • Nadzieja Batki

          And how do you know that Obama knows what he is doing. You are so close to him that you know what is inside his head.

          • karolyn

            Well, you sure sound like you do! (Know what’s inside his head.)

          • Dan az

            Karolyn
            It’s better than knowing what he had for lunch!Do you know what the difference is between a brown noser and ring around the collar?Depth perception!
            I think after reading his book anyone with an open mind knows whats in his!

          • bob wire

            “And how do you know that Obama knows what he is doing. You are so close to him that you know what is inside his head.”

            well, yea ! You are not the only one with super powers!

            You seem to believe that you can, why can’t we?

            In fact, I even know what you are going to say next!

        • JeffH

          smilee(in small letters), Yes, the O’man knows exactly what he is doing.

          These images are cartoons that were published in Australia, not in the US, the liberal press would never print these kinds of images, they show that the world is laughing at the once mighty, strong and trustworthy America.

          Obama’s destruction of America
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFokPh3XaqM

          • smilee

            Then why are they saying our America, our liberals etc. do autralians think they are now Americans. You are a real joke just like the utube, totally devoid of facts, but at least the clip was something you can laugh at you we can only pity

          • Kate8

            JeffH – Sad, isn’t it. And the liberals can’t even see it…yet.

          • JeffH

            Kate8, so true, so true. I wonder what it’s like to have two eyelids? The 2nd keeps the sand out of the eyes.

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            Jeffh, I thought Sharks were the only ones who had two eyelids, one for normal wear, and the second rolls up and over when they eat you! :)

          • eddie47d

            What planet are you living on Jeff? I see those kind of cartoons in the daily paper everyday? You are full of it and go back and read the first comment below the video. Kinda fits you diatribe.

          • JeffH

            47Stupid, unlike you I live in the real world, not some fabricated speak tank.

          • bob wire

            “JeffH – Sad, isn’t it. And the liberals can’t even see it…yet.”

            Hmm? IT? ~ I’ve been seeing and smelling rats everywhere since 82.

            So which rat do you refer? Pick one! Pick a dozen!

            I see the top 2% taking over American life and liberty in Bristol fashion with your help if American’s continue to look on the wealthy as some benevolent savior. We will all be working at their pleasure more and more.

            It’s like failing to support your local merchants until there is no local merchants to support or Walmart taking over a Meat Processing plant with only 52% of controlling interest and control supply while starving out who they so wish.

            basically buying a processing plant for only half cost and beating competition up with it. Why? because they can?

            This leave me to believe “anything” they “can do” they will and not care spit about anything but profits. if you somehow believe they entertain some notions of sharing when they are not required to, you are fooling yourself. Labor is the first thing that they will attack.

          • eddie47d

            Jeff; Do you even realize how stupid it is to constantly call others stupid? You keep out stupiding yourself!

          • JeffH

            47Stupid, if you’ll notice, I only call YOU STUPID! The “mantra” fits you very well.

      • Bitter Libertarian

        http://www.dailyfx.com/forex/technical/home/analysis/us_dollar_index/2011/05/18/US_dollar_index_classical.html

        Its not covering the whole period, just since Nov 2010..unless someone were dislexic the trend is DOWN Hill for the US Dollar.

      • DaveH

        Okay, Jovianus, so tell me how many Jobs has Obama created since he took office?

        • DaveH

          While I’m waiting for Jovianus’s answer I can use this claim from Obama:
          http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20021907-503544.html

          1.1 million jobs over 10 months. How much did those jobs cost us? Well, the National Debt has increase about $100,000,000,000 (that’s $100 Billion) per month in the last 10 months. That’s $1 Trillion over the last 10 months. So we have paid (on our credit card) roughly $100,000 for each one of those added jobs. Such a bargain!

          • JeffH

            There you go, using those pesky facts again.

          • Bitter Libertarian

            Crikey dont hold your breath…he’ll not reply!

          • eddie47d

            Maybe if the right wing didn’t encourage tax evasion it wouldn’t cost so much for each job and the debt could come down. Don’t let those pesky little facts get in your way Dave H.

          • Dan az

            Dave
            The fact that the jobs were guvmnt jobs says allot.He has doubled the growth of the guvmnt and is still trying to increase it as we speak!If he wanted to solve the unemployment issue he should have given the money to the families instead.Instead of his sorass cronies.

          • DaveH

            You lie, Eddie! Show me the proof that right-wingers encourage people to cheat on their taxes.
            As I said, Eddie, you have zero credibility.

          • patty

            Eddie47 – My CPA files my taxes on time, every year as do all of my clients. None of them evade paying taxes. Unlike the people in the Obama administration and democrat party. http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2011/04/democratic-tax-cheats.html 78% vs 28% That is a pretty big decrepency I would say. Your party is so much for taxing everyone but themselves.
            How hypocritical is it of them to con you into saying that people should pay more in taxes and those same people are evading taxes. Same old same old. We make the rules I want what you got, but you can’t have what I got because rules don’t apply to me! Do you pay taxes? Do you want to give up your tax deductions? Personal exemptions, child exemptions, mortgage interest exemptions. Business get exemptions, deductions also. All legal under the federal tax code.

    • WeMadeAmistake

      You know liberals are insane when they support an arrogant, narcissistic liar who now has Americans going into debt at the rate of $189,000,000 per hour. Yes, you read that correctly. $189 million per hour in borrowing money we can’t pay back. 60% increase in federal debt in just 28 months under the mismanagement of Obama who has never told the truth or kept his promise about the majority of things that come out of his forked mouth. Obama has been in office 28 months and during that time, he has managed to increase our unemployment rising along with our debt, and you foolish liberals could not see a train wreck if it is was right in front of you.

      • eddie47d

        Obama is far from being a saint but every President has been accused of being incompetent. Very few could see what the Bush years did to America so Conservatives can be blinded also. If the economy doesn’t improve Obama will be a goner in 2012. If the Republicans keep sabotaging every plan Obama comes up with then they will be the ones to suffer in 2012. If someone better than Obama get’s elected then there won’t be tear shed in my beer. The problem is that the Republicans/Libertarians are stubborn and every candidate that comes along they say is a saint and is the one to beat Obama. Then before long that candidates faults are exposed and you jump overboard like rats on a sinking ship. Your hatred for Obama seems to be one of the few things that unify you. Some of us don’t see that as a commendable trait but only as mind boggling bitterness.

        • Nadzieja Batki

          Who owns the media that digs up dirt?

          • TIME

            Nadzieja,

            BINGO!

            Seems that the esteemed MONKEYS can’t quite fathom that simple question.

        • patty

          Eddie-This financial disaster goes back further than Bush II. You can rest the entire housing collapse on Clinton who said everyone should own a house, so make it happen. And Fannie and Freddie did, for a while anyways. Until, like our debt, it all came due. He guaranteed those bad mortgages they were making and in came the banking bail outs. So, now you have those same people with no house and the banks were made whole on the backs of taxpayers. Bush did try to rein in Fannie & Freddie and it was the democrats who said Fannie and Freddie had more money than god. Thank you Barney Frank.

          • smilee

            Pure far right propaganda and not a word of truth in what you say, No banks were forced to borrow money to anyone, they could no longer discriminate on race etc but that did not make them make loans to ANYONE not qualified for a loan. The banks changed all the rules because many regulations were lifted allowing them to do that and many banks doctored incomes, home values etc just to make the money off the tansactions knowing full well that many of these were destined for foreclosure, often times they even hid this from the home buyer and they believed these lies. No one can get a loan if the bank will not appove it and the govenment never forced any lending instituion to give loans to unqualified borrowers that is pure proganda from both banks and far right wing government haters will belive any thing that fulfills their biases.

          • DaveH

            Good effort, Patty, but it’s wasted on the Liberals. They can’t see through the dense fog given off by their lust for other peoples’ money.

          • DaveH

            And for those who don’t want to rely on the word of the Liberal Sleepee, see here:
            http://blog.mises.org/10239/the-housing-boom-and-bust/

          • patty

            Smilee-Oh really? And who lifted those regulations so the banks could make those loans? Clinton. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2093289/posts and: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=94031
            They were strong armed in to doing it and in return, Clinton guaranteed those loans with our tax dollars. That is why you had they bank bail out was to cover those sub prime loans.

          • eddie47d

            Dave should just rack it up to crony capitalism like he always does. No problem is solved but it sounds good to him. Until you can cut off the heads of these corporate thieves it will happen again and again. Got the courage?

          • DaveH

            Can you establish that corporations are all thieves, Eddie? Or do we just have to take your zero credibility word for it?

          • JeffH

            It’s pretty obvious that 47Stupid does take some notes. He must because he like to repeat words that he reads even though he hasn’t any clue to their meaning.

          • DaveH

            That’s why I call him Parrot occasionally. He thinks he’s clever to imitate the accusations of others. Only when they accuse him of those things they are telling the truth. He isn’t.
            I had a chronic liar of an ex-wife who would do the same thing.
            Speaking of that, I wonder if that’s one of the Alinsky techniques?

          • patty

            Eddie-Actually, if you want to know where it started for this latest disaster, look at the timeline. Clinton promises everyone should have a piece of the American Dream (owning a home). It does not matter to Clinton how it gets done, but he made a promise. So he goes to the mortgage providers and says, “I made this promise, what can we do to make this happen?” They say, on a % level, most of these loans will be bad. We have guidelines on which to loan money so we don’t go bankrupt. There are gov’t. regulations so that we can not loan to people because that would be taking advantage of them. And Clinton said, but I mmade a promise. And they said, we are not going to put our financial necks on the line for what will surely fail. And Clinton said, I will change the regulations so you are able to loan money to these people. And the banks said, I don’t think so because these people will surely not be able to repay most of these loans. And Clinton said, how about if I guarantee these risky loans that you will making? And now we know the outcome. All because a gov’t. official made a promise to people who felt entitled to own a home who could never get a loan through conventional means because of solid financial reasons. Pray, do tell me. Are these people still in those homes? No. Are they homeless? Now renting? On welfare because now they have lost everything. All because a politician made a promise. So don’t lay blame on the banks. Lay blame on the one that made it all happen because of a promise no matter how detrimental it was.

          • JC

            Further to that thought patty,
            Obama himself was working tirelessly to help all that legislation pass. He was as involved as far as he could be with the influence he had at the time.

            And now he’s in a position to put all that early groundwork to further use. He can advance his agenda of destroying America.
            He’s either been “handled” very well, he’s actually quite brilliant,
            or he’s one lucky opportunist.

        • Bitter Libertarian

          “The problem is that the Republicans/Libertarians are stubborn and every candidate that comes along they say is a saint and is the one to beat Obama.”

          You lost credibility with that jacka$$ed comment…Obviously you know NOTHING and are a Blithering Ignorant buffoon to state that Libertarians claim such NONSENCE. We KNOW there are no SAINTS!

          have you ever even read the Libertarian party Principals? Probably not..your eyes would burn out.

          • eddie47d

            Dave brings them up all the time so how can we miss them? Since most on this site claim to be Libertarian or leaning in princeple I will stand by what I said. The comment below should have been posted under Time’s comment.

          • JC

            eddie47d says:
            May 18, 2011 at 3:21 pm
            Dave brings them up all the time so how can we miss them
            ________________________________________________________________

            So your answer would be “no” you haven’t read anything about Libertarian principles.
            But DaveH brings them up all the time……….

            EVERYONE here except you and your other 4 personalities brings up Libertarian points all the time. You’re hit with them from all sides at all times by most of the people here.
            So by your logic you should know all about Libertarianism by now…right?
            But sadly eddie, in your case its more like being hit by a tractor trailer and claiming to know all about tractor trailers.
            Because you would be just as clueless either way.
            Read!

        • eddie47d

          Robert Murdoch!

          • JeffH

            …and the owl said “WHO”?

          • eddie47d

            …and Jeff the cackling cockatoo shows up.

  • http://mozilla steve k

    What I don’t understand is …..if the world court treats the bin laden saga as a criminal act and not an act of war(as this administration likes to do) couldn’t the world court charge obama with murder of an unarmed civilian?

    • Jim

      NO !!!! the messiah cannot be charged with breaking any law , he is the ”one” and only true law maker and can do as he damn well pleases

      • Wayne937

        Yes! he has taken it upon himself to be the absolute dictator. It seems that Congress has abdicated their powers to the tyrannical dictator… Where are you Congress. Take back the power that the Constitution has given you. It’s time to replace the Senate with people who have Conversative value and common sense.

      • smilee

        Jimmy

        Just how is it you always refer to him as the “MESSIAH”?? Do you really think he is??? I find it so funny that the hard core right wingers are the only ones who refer to him in these terms.

        • eddie47d

          They get stranger by the day Smilee. First of all they say Obama had nothing to do with the raid. Then they want to charge him with war crimes for being in charge of killing Bin Laden. See how they want it both ways. They confuse themselves and want to be looked at as rational.They wanted Bin Laden’s head for years and now that he is dead act like it was a crime to do so. Why worry about the NFLs strike when we have folks playing political football right here.

          • patty

            Actually, I see it as different people with different views on the same subject. Unlike a group that has been programmed to think all the same.

          • DaveH

            Good response, Patty.

          • JeffH

            patty, Hear Hear…better known as usefull “MONKEY TOOLS”.

          • eddie47d

            The 3 sheeple or is that the 3 monkeys? Talk about being programmed to respond in unison! That dang truth always hurts doesn’t it Jeff?You all come back like carnival barkers. LOL

          • Dan az

            eddiee
            which finger am I holding up?Know it dosen’t mean your number one.
            Don’t let facts get in your way because I just luv to watch you do the shuffle around them and provide nothing at all to the conversation.Monkey see monkey do. Bahaaaaaa!

          • DaveH

            And there you have it folks, the quintessential Union Democrat, Eddie. See what you’re in for when his kind have taken full control?

          • patty

            Eddie47-Why are you including me in this? I do not personally attack you. I would like an apology. That was uncalled for. Nothing I said should give you reason to retaliate on me. I don’t think you are going to want to open up this can of verbal Whoop-a$$.

          • eddie47d

            Okay I apologize. Jeff and Dave are constant trolls who stick together like fly paper and I shouldn’t have included you in their drivel. Unfortunately that is where this site is going to and should have stuck to calling them out and not you.

          • Patty

            Eddie-Thank you. I accept your apology.

  • Jim

    IN 2012 ,EVEN IF YOU THINK THE CHOICE ISN’T CLEAR , ..IT IS !!!!!!!…… YOU CAN VOTE FOR A COMMUNIST,SOCIALIST,MARXIST,MUSLIM OR …..AN AMERICAN, ITS VERY SIMPLE AND ANY RED BLOODED AMERICAN SHOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM MAKING THIS DECISION………………
    BHO = AMERICAS PUBLIC ENEMY MUSLIM TERRORIST NUMBER ONE

    • Robin from Arcadia, IN

      JIm… I agree that anybody would be better than Obama, but the GOP had better come up with someone who isn’t a RINO. I don’t want to ‘settle’ the next election. I want to be excited for who I am voting for.

    • Doc Sarvis

      At this point Jim, I agree that the choice is clear. I don’t see a good candidate yet from the GOP. I do not know who would be running as a Communist,Socialist,Marxist,Muslim and I doubt they would get any votes. The clear choice now is our current leader, President Obama – a centrist Democrat.

      • Robin from Arcadia, IN

        Doc… Barry may be your choice, but he won’t be mine. You are entitled to your opinion; my Dad fought in WW II so that we could still have our rights. Our country is going to hell in a hand basket and you just comment in a conservative blog just to see who you can get into a lather. When America implodes, many will finally see who is responsible. The list will be long and I think the Dems side will only be slightly longer than the GOP side. We have been sheeple for decades and finally are waking up. Hopefully it won’t be too late.

        • Wayne937

          Robin, I think your right about the Liberals, like Doc. I think we should start ignoring them. We know by the way they think, they are irrational. I don’t think anyone can be this dumb, or are they? Maybe you are right, they just want to stir the pot. We certainly do have a few folks on here who are mixed up. Maybe they had fallen on their head as youngsters. I have brothers who were in the military. One brother of mine was in Germany in 1942 through 1945 and then he served again in Korea when that nmilitary action was gtoing on. Yes! we need to protect our freedom from our current government as well as all foreign enemies. Our freedom under Obama is quickly fading away. We have to get out and fight for a good honest president the next go around.

          • Push comes to shove

            Wayne and Robin you are so right about liberal bloggers, and commentaors as well. These Guys remind me of Alan combs who will say anything just to be on the other side of the fence, and defend the undefensible.

          • Doc Sarvis

            The loss of our freedoms was FAR more under Bush. I don’t remember conservatives complaining much about it then.

          • DaveH

            No, Wayne, they’re not that dumb. They are just feeding at the trough and will issue whatever nonsensical propaganda they can muster to keep their place at the trough.
            Don’t worry, it will end when they run out of other peoples’ money.

            Ever notice how this group of “intelligent” people can’t seem to make it on their own?

          • Jeep

            Doc, libs used to be annoying with the “Just blame Bush” mantra. Now it’s just annoying. What’s worse for our “freedoms”, out of control spending, or out of control illegal immigration? Rising gas prices, or rising unemployment? High food prices, or high energy prices? The time for blaming anyone is long over. The time to exact some real “change” is at hand. Twenty years from now, will anyone care if it was Bush or Oman that spent this country into oblivion? Who will care what president was presiding when energy became so expensive that houses went dark and cold? The answers are simple, but pundits like you will happily crow about “your guy” all the way to third world status.

        • http://! Angel Wannabe

          Robin H*ll the Libs won’t ever see whos responsible for anything, when we implode, they’ll just “Blame Bush”!

          • eddie47d

            We took our bifocals off years ago Angel and we see very clearly. We see those who got us into forged wars whether Johnson in Vietnam Bush in Iraq or Obama in Libya.We see how the markets are gamed to favor certain segments of society while others suffer.We see criminals who are allowed in our corporations but we can’t call them that until they hit the multi-million dollar jackpot and wreck havoc on our economic system. Then it is so costly to prosecute them that the charges are dropped or reduced down to where they have no meaning. Then the next business goes out and does the same thing knowing there are few repercussions. We see people not paying taxes and finding all sorts of loopholes while the rest of us have a greater tax burden placed upon us. Sadly it’s groups like Sovereign Nation who refuse to pay taxes even those that are absolutely necessary. It’s one thing to take on the tax issue but to put the burden on someone else is wrong. Some of those folks are criminal and supported by the far right.

          • DaveH

            So, Eddie, then you are saying Government is the root of all evil?

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            eddie, your forgetting the Corrupt-o-Congress, with 81 Socialists that are in there!_Obamas a puppet, has Veto power and, oh yes, can run the Country by “Executive Order” if he can’t get his way otherwise. Congress Legislates.

          • eddie47d

            You proved my point Angel. Instead of tackling the problems from another presidency you choose to blame Obama!That’s been clear even before Obama was elected. If you Republicans dared to come out of the closet back then and took on Bush’s policies then you might have a leg to stand on. Now you are all smoke and mirror over the credibility issue.Obama supporters will be facing that same dilemma by the 2012 election

          • DaveH

            Another ignorant statement from the dunderhead Eddie — “If you Republicans dared to come out of the closet back then and took on Bush’s policies then you might have a leg to stand on”.
            1) How do you know Angel is Republican?
            2) How do you know if Angel criticized Bush’s policies or not?
            3) How does a country ever change if nobody can change their mind on policies put in place by a predecessor?

            It’s no wonder you needed to join a Union, Eddie.

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            eddie my friend, I’ve never said Bush was a saint. I’ve critized his policies as well as Bambi’s. Although I must admit not quite as much.
            Back then, I wasn’t aware there were 81 Socialists in Congress, you know our Congress, the one that says Yes Sir to the masta and runs the country they way they’re told to?__For your info I am Republican, but I never said they were the perfect either.( Just for Shytes and Giggles, can’t you see that no matter WHO’S IN POWER, NOTHING EVER GETS DONE, IT JUST KEEPS GETTING WORSE?__ In fact over the past couple of years, I’d say, MOST NOT ALL REPUBS on the same path as Obama,but are just a lil’ slower at it. Or should I say not quite as out in the open._There a bunch of people that run this country, and they’ve done a fine job at keeping us in each other faces, with the LEFT AND RIGHT scheme of POLITICS. You, me and alot of folks were fooled, but some of us have woken up, hows about you?

          • Patty

            Angel – Well put. Why is it that we keep screaming to get rid of the RINO’s. Why don’t they hear us saying we want new blood in there? Eddie – we are screaming it, at the top of our lungs practically. What do you think the Tea Party march on Washington was? So, actually, you can’t say that we are not telling them what they are doing is wrong on BOTH sides. Your guy is the one sticking with the status quo and doubling down on Bush’s bad policies. Not us.

          • Patty

            Eddie-We are trying to change the face of Republicans. How many times have you heard us call to get the RINOS voted out? How many times have you heard people say that Obama has doubled down on a bad policy (Bush’s)? How many times have you read here that Bush and the Republicans in the last congress, that was democratic controlled, were no different than the democrats? How many people that were career politicians did we get voted out of office in 2010 to be replaced by others. And many of those people won against a RINO republican and a democrat and they beat them both. Don’t say we are not trying and accepting the status quo. We are not.

      • Bob

        Maobama is not a centrist – he is as left as they get. Once again you prove yourself to be either a moron or a liar.

        • Doc Sarvis

          If President Obama was as liberal as you claim he is we would be completely out of Iraq and Afghanistan. We would not have played any part in the current affairs in Libya. We would not have killed or even hunted down Osama bin Ladin. We would not have bailed out the Wall Street banks or the American car companies. There would be strict environmental regulations on fracking. I could go on and on. He is definitely a centrist.

          • S.C. Murf

            He is doing exactly what his handlers are telling him to do

          • Jeep

            We all get it Doc. The left is desparate to recast Oman as a “centerist”, you know, now that he is back in campaign mode. Way to hold the party line. How much do they pay you to sit around in your underwear in mommy’s basement to parrot the daily Democrat call lines anyway? Oman is way too far left to ever be considered a “centerist”, just ask him.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            That is not true. Tangling up the country in wars dictated by the UN, diluting the population of the nation with people from other countries that have no intention of assimilating, etc.. that has been the scenario of the democrats and the RINOs

          • smilee

            S.C. Murf says:
            May 18, 2011 at 8:53 am

            He is doing exactly what his handlers are telling him to do
            _______________________________________________________________

            What a cop out statement!! Intelligence is not your best suit is it!!

          • Bob

            Doc: Another lie from a lieberal liar – maobama and the maocrats are incrementalists – they move slowly hoping that no one will notice that they are up to; working towards the day when we will all wake up in a socialist pigtopia. Incrementalism is the way the maocrat scum took over the schools and the media and will be the way they take over the government. We know what you scum are up to and I pray that we will get roused enough to stop you.

          • eddie47d

            Bob; We know where the scum is just look at your rantings. Try some lava soap to clean up your mouth.

          • DaveH

            Are you redefining Liberals, Doc? Because the Liberals on this board and others that I’ve listened to seem to be just fine with Obama’s war-mongering. The one thing that I thought Obama could do right — get us out of the mideast wars. And he proved me wrong.
            It would go a long way in improving your image as a Liberal, Doc, if you could just stick to your principles (if you even have any).

          • DaveH

            That reminds me of all the times on this board that I’ve heard the Liberals cry out “Where were you when Bush got us into all these wars?” or “Where were you when Bush was spending out of control?”.
            Well, I was criticizing both. But what do the Liberals do?
            I mean, here’s your chance, Liberals, right here and now, to stick up for some consistent principles. But you don’t. Why? Because you have none. Your gaze is strictly on relieving other people of their lawfully acquired money. And you will use whatever phony excuses you can muster to achieve that goal, even though the course of action that you pursue has resulted in collapsed economies in every country that has been foolish enough to pursue those goals.

          • Jeep

            DaveH threw out the gauntlet with “…here’s your chance, Liberals, right here and now, to stick up for some consistent principles.”

            I hear…hmmm…crickets?

          • eddie47d

            I don’t agree with Obama in Libya and this is the 4th time I have said that. I would like to see more infrastructure projects being developed whether private or government. Yet Conservatives always vote those projects down. Dave likes to blow smoke that is why he hears so many crickets.

          • JeffH

            47Stupid says: “I would like to see more infrastructure projects being developed whether private or government. Yet Conservatives always vote those projects down.”

            Again, I would like to see you back up that claim of yours that “Conservatives always vote those projects(infrastructure)down.”
            Show us some proof 47Stupid…your word just doesn’t cut it.

      • patty

        Doc-The only reason he is acting like a centrist right now is because he is in full fledge campaign mode. What does that tell you about him? He is even going so far as to jump on the drill baby drill team.
        Tell them what they want to hear just long enough to get their uneducated vote.

      • http://! Angel Wannabe

        Doc__ I’ve always heard, that it’s the Centrist’s that are the ones we have to watch, being in the middle is when they’ll do the most dirty work, because they believe everyone trusts them, and think no one will pay attention to their deeds!

  • Wayne937

    This came in my e-mail. There has never been truer words spoken:
    QUOTE OF THE CENTURY, MAYBE EVEN THE MILLENNIUM
    Some people have the vocabulary to sum up things in a way you can understand them. This quote came from the Czech Republic . Someone over there has it figured out. We have a lot of work to do.

    “The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America . Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their president.”

    • Doc Sarvis

      Oh good, yea; we should take advice from the Czech Republic.

      • Wayne937

        Who said anything about taking advise from the Czeck Republic, Doc. This is one man’s opinion, and a good one I might add. Go back and read this again. This statement is referring to people like you, if you votee for Obama. Is this why it touched a nerve with you???? Yes! we have to cast blame on all the imbeciles who voted for this man. This is all this message was referring to. I am sure most Conservatives will agree with the message. I wonder about you though, Doc.

        • eddie47d

          That quote could have been said about G Bush so what about all the imbeciles who voted for him? Both have their bad sides and good sides. So what is solved by our labeling and constantly repeating ourselves?

          • patty

            Maybe you think it could have. But it WASN’T. Wanting it doesn’t make it so.

          • DaveH

            This article puts it in a nutshell (albeit a large nutshell):
            http://mises.org/daily/4125

      • patty

        That was not 1st penned by someone in the Czech Republic.
        As it turns out, the quote originated in an American blog in December 2009, rather than a Czech newspaper in April 2010
        http://milwaukee.wisgop.info/tag/voters/

        • Wayne937

          Patty, it could have been, I don’t really know. I received it in an e-mail and I liked the message so I though I would pass it on. I agree with it regardless where it came from.

          • patty

            I agree too. I was just commenting on Doc’s comment and where it came from.

      • DaveH

        You can learn from anybody, Doc. Don’t be an elitist pig.

        • patty

          Not when you have been programmed to do otherwise.

    • Al Sieber

      Good one Wayne, and true, you’d be surprised at the number of countries that think we’re dumb.

      • smilee

        Sure but they do not think that way because of Obama they think that way because of people like you who have become so noisy they can be heard around the world and that is what they are laughing at. Obama is well liked by most around the world and even in this country by polls on him as a person, they are quite a bit higher than polls that address the job he is doing

        • Al Sieber

          smilee, they think that way because they’re more informed then us and been through hyperinflation and lost everything, the dollar never crashed here before, you’re in for a rude awaking.

          • smilee

            That ain’t what the told me and I have many friends in other countries and none have agreed with your take

          • 45caliber

            smilee: I’ve got friends in other countries – and they tell me the opposite. Odd …

          • Al Sieber

            Well smilee, they must be as ignorant as you are.

          • Al Sieber

            smilee, the blind leading the blind, like you, in the “Land of the Blind the one eyed man is King”, that ain’t you.

        • Nadzieja Batki

          Of course they will like someone like themselves.

        • patty

          Smilee-Are you comparing him to a blind date? What do they look like? He is a really nice person….
          Here is what they really think:http://www.theblaze.com/stories/swiss-investor-foreigners-laugh-as-obama-prostitutes-himself/
          http://www.ihatethemedia.com/australian-prime-minister-gives-obama-an-ipod-loaded-with-anti-american-music And there is more of the same.

        • DaveH

          Whatever you say, Sleepee. We all trust your word. Sure.

        • Wayne937

          smilee, I’ll take a good honest Conservative person anytime over your likes, and the ones you support. Our nation needs some one who the people can look up with respect. We don’t seem to have that anymore.

      • Jovianus

        Can’t say we could argue about that Al. We elected reagan who began the attack on the Middle Class, and we did give Bush/Cheney eight years to screw things up.

        • DaveH

          Where did the middle class money go? Well, duh, let’s see. Government spent about 20% of GDP in 1950. Now they spend about 40% of GDP.
          I lived in a poor neighborhood in 1950, and things were much better there then, than they are now. It’s like gang-land there now. It’s so nice to have Big Government looking out for us all.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        So Socialist and Terrorist countries think we are dumb. What have they to feel superior about. It is America’s money which bought the clothing to cover their worthless carcasses.

        • eddie47d

          N.D. The Arab countries bought their clothes from China or Indonesia just like we do and with their own oil money. Europe also buys goods from China and probably with their own money.

        • 45caliber

          Actually, Nadzieja, they are right. Our government is dumb. We have more known oil reserves that the rest of the world put together. Why don’t we drill it, make ourselves indepentent of the rest of the world, and then sell them oil so we can get rich off it?

    • DaveH

      Excellent quote, Wayne, thank you.

  • http://! Angel Wannabe

    The picture above of Obama looks as if he’s trying to “Anoint” someone, geesh!

    • Dan az

      Or he is singing the supremes song (Stop in the name of luv)LOL!

      • http://! Angel Wannabe

        Dan Az, thats a thought too! :)

  • TONY D

    I will forever remain amazed at utter irrationality.
    Both parties and the nation would be best served by rational discourse and actions, not the irrational emotional rantings that pervade much of the dialog here. It can have no positive impact on anyone or anything.

    • Jeep

      Tony, the time for rational debate has long since passed. Whether you are left or right, both sides are completely polarized. How can anyone have a “discussion” with a prez that decalres his goal is to “fundamentally change America”? Or, such gems as, “I mean, I do think at a certain point you’ve made enough money.” And, “”I think when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody.” But, what is really tragic is the view that the left holds for the right, “It’s not surprising, then, they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.” The problem is that the left is intent on reshaping the United States from a nation of rugged individualism, where everyone is given the chance to succeed, or fail. And, transorm it into a nation where everyone has an “equal” outcome. They have no problem “taking” from the rich, ala “Robin Hood”, to “give” to the poor. Whether it is health care or housing, this administration wants to “provide” it all. But, at what cost? And, this is why we cannot have a rational dialog. Libertarians/Conservatives believe that what is mine is mine and I need to be personally responsible for myself and my family. Liberals like the prez believe that life is fundamentally unfair to all but a few and it is the role of big govt to “level” the playing field and take from those who “have” to give to those who “don’t”. How can there be compromise?

      • Cliffystones

        Obama has also stated that he believes he is “his brothers keeper”. The problem is that the cage is too small and he never cleans it!

      • 45caliber

        Jeep. You are ALMOST right. They have no problem taking money from some to give to others – as long as it isn’t their money. Take the Kennedy’s for instance. Does any one actually believe that Ted Kennedy would actually give up his wealth to live like the poorest in his district? Does anyone actually believe Oblama will? He stated that at some point everyone has enough money – but he is worth millions and possibly billions if some of the rumors I hear are true. Why hasn’t he given all of that up to help the poor in our country?

        The real goal is to take money from those who might disagree with the Dems and give to those who agree with them. It buys more votes, keeps their followers loyal, punishes those who don’t agree with them, and insures those who don’t agree will never be in any possition to challenge their power.

        • Jeep

          45, your point is well taken!

          • eddie47d

            Stop having another Republican pity party when they do exactly what you say about the Democrats. They have their keepers who control the flow of money in elections and in government.

          • Jeep

            eddie, you are such a flaming idiot! Man, you’ve got me laughing so hard…Who said anything about Rep or Dem? Oh, but the shoe must fit, so you assumed that when I said “take your money” I must have meant the Dem party! You moron, both parties have a problem with spending money that does not belong to them. It is CLEARLY a Conservative/Liberal thing. Libs like you are sanctioned thieves, and Conservative thinkers are from whom you steal. Easy enough to understand?

          • eddie47d

            Jeep; …Caliber 45 I’ll leave out the name calling as you didn’t do.

          • 45caliber

            eddie: Really? I didn’t realize I’d called anyone any names in that post.

            I will agree that the GOP collects their money from the same people as the Dems if that is what you mean. I think the real fight among the GOP is that some will obey the old RINOs and some won’t. The Dems all walk in lock-step right now.

          • Jeep

            Really eddie? The best response you can give is to claim to take the “high road”? Yes, you are an idiot, as an ideological moron you deserve the title you have earned. Your left leaning partisan political bent is clearly founded in greed. I have an ability to recall the many times you have posted short, nasty remarks. In this case, eddie, you responded to a post not directed at you. So, if you can’t take it, do not make silly, incorrect posts. Or, go to an English class and learn a little about comprehension. It may serve you well as I think Fla schools are a little behind on English education, you know, with all the emphasis placed on educating illegals.

    • Cliffystones

      Tony,

      There are and have been plenty of rational arguments. The simplest of them being 1+1=2. You are correct in your assertion that emotion clouds the issues. I’m as emotional as the average Liberal, but I will not let those emotions stand in the way of logic. You can’t feed the poor or create world peace by simply printing sheets of paper with portraits of Ben Franklin on them. This is the irrational concept that’s ruining the country.

      • 45caliber

        I agree. Corn has a value. Wheat has a value. Printed paper is already worthless because it can’t be used for something else.

        • patty

          Sure it can. Toilet paper, starting fires….

          • 45caliber

            True. And if they continue to devaluate the dollar as they have been, it will probably be used for that purpose. But dollars are really too stiff to make good toliet paper…

          • patty

            45 – Not the old ones. Or you could put it through the washing machine. Wait, the unions will want it back a “laundred money” to give to Obamas campaign. :)

  • http://none Karl Larsen

    There is doubt now that our president is even an American. So until this is worked out I do not plan to do anything costing money. But I am pleased a few people got jobs in IL. That is the best news this week.

    • Jovianus

      There is no doubt. He is eligible to hold the office of POTUS. He is an American.

  • B. Holmes

    It’s all about race, nothing more.

    • Robin from Arcadia, IN

      B. Holmes … The race card has been used over and over again. Get over it! Barry is a mulatto. He’s as much white as he is black!

      • ValDM

        Robin,
        The O’boy is more white than anything else, followed by Arab, & lastly black.

      • smilee

        Robin why do you refer to the truth as the race card?????

        • Robin from Arcadia, IN

          smilee… The truth is NOT the race card. I have very high hopes that Allen West will decide to throw in his hat for the GOP nomination. I don’t care if he is purple! I want someone in the White House that loves this country and wants to get it back on her feet! We do not need any more self-loving, narcissistic, under-acheivers like Barry!

          • Dan az

            Eddie answer the lady!
            Just as I thought doing the shuffle again!
            crickets every time the truth is involved!

    • MSSouth

      I agree with you! It’s all about race! The race to destroy America and all within it!!! You sure are right!!! “It’s all about race”!!!

    • patty

      You mean with how much he hates whites (=capitalists), how does someone justify in their own mind hating half of themselves so much?
      That really has to play a big hit on one psychologically.

  • http://n/a Anna M

    If this article doesn’t clear it up for you (the American voters), I don’t know what will. For the exact reasons stated is why the Tea Party exists…more power to them and I hope they press forward with more vigor as the election date gets closer.

  • http://Verizon Bud G.

    Well Bob, how has it been going for this administration to date or is this really Bob Wire?

    Most often, your comments are very reasoned and other times rambling. We don’t agree on many issues but I know you are an intelligent person but sometimes what is said doesn’t sound like Bob Wire.

  • sonnieC

    Since Obama took over as our so called president, The snunk has replaced the Eagle as the new symbol of America. It is half white half black and everything it does STINKS.

    • Jack

      You have that RIGHT ! Can’t wait for NOV.

    • 45caliber

      sonnieC:

      Hummm. I hadn’t thought of that. You are right.

    • smilee

      Sonny, Can you give a good reason why your statement should not be viewed as a purely racist statement??

      • DaveH

        Against which half, white or black?

        • Dan az

          Most be the white side right?
          Or is it your an animal lover and find that comparison to be an insult to the skunk?
          Either way if the shoe fits!

  • http://facebook anna onat

    We need to stop giving billions of dollars of American money to other countries and start taking care of our own messes in the USA. And the first problem we need to clean up is our government. Bring our troops back home and have them help along the borders. I really don’t understand why Obama is favoring the illegals and not helping out his own country men. No matter what color we are or who we are we are all American citizens and we should be helping each other, not fighting or disagreeing on things as our government is doing.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      It is simply diluting the population. Government increases with those that will vote with the democrats who promise the most goodies and those same people will do anything to protect the getting of those goodies.

      • Wayne937

        Your exactly right, Nadzieja. This country has two types of people: those of us who work and are responsible, and those who will not work, and are irresponsibility, It’s the workers who have to slave, and keep these parasites from starving to death, and to provide them with medical care. We need to rid our country of these irresponsible people, or let them go hungry.

    • Don

      anna onat, What,,, you don’t know why odumbo is favoring illegals, open your eyes anna, he wants their vote, and then he can toss them aside like he’s done the past two years !!!

      • Nadzieja Batki

        First of all, illegals cannot vote. Also green card holders cannot vote until they lived here a certain amount of time and then become citizens. If all these people do any voting they are committing a crime.
        There are enough agencies that provide legal advice, jobs, food, clothing, etc., “professional do gooders” that are kept employed and do everything in their power to keep themselves employed. Since it is difficult to separate people from their money, the government is used to do this.

        • 45caliber

          Nadzieja:

          Let me add one thing to what you just said. You said, “… the illegals can’t vote …”

          Actually, it should be, “… the illegals can’t LEGALLY vote …”

          Most of them do. We in Texas are trying to get a law passed to require voter ID’s to reduce the risk of illgal voting and the Dems are coming unglued. It has passed the legislature and has gone to the governor who states he will sign it. But there are already moves to file court suits to block it. Even then, it won’t actually stop the illegals from voting here because you can vote with a driver’s license – and the government isn’t allowed to check ID before giving those. But it will slow down multiple voting by the same person since it is harder to produce multiple IDs to go with multiple voter registration cards that ACORN and others like to use.

          • eddie47d

            You and Nadzieja are throwing out desperate swill but it’s all landing back on you. Sometimes Caliber you are like Humpty Dumpty for you are full of cracks.

          • Jeep

            http://www.themonitor.com/articles/rio-45868-seldom-south.html

            eddie, you are once again on the losing side of the debate. One of many recent reports on Texas voter “irregularites” and outright fraud. Try not to be so partisan. Maybe, just maybe you may want to “pull the log out of your own eye”. Sorry, I couldn’t help the Biblical reference here…it just seemed so fitting.

          • DaveH

            Eddie, you could use your talents to start your own company. It could be titled “PERSONAL ATTACKS R’US”.

          • 45caliber

            eddie:

            I can see that you haven’t anything to rebut. So you attack instead. All I stated were facts. You can look them up if you like. But if you don’t want to agree with them, it doesn’t make me cracked. Not that I mind if you call me that …

          • JeffH

            45caliber, I take my hat off to you for your patience and I don’t think I would want to be around when you lose it.

          • eddie47d

            I learned the personal attacks from Dave H. So who says conservatives can’t educate?

    • 45caliber

      anna:

      At present, about 45% of the people will vote for the Democrats even if they ran a dog for office. About 45% will vote against them for the same reasons. That means roughly 10% of our population will decide any election.

      BUT … if you can import enough people to add another 5% to the Democrat firm vote, you don’t really have to worry about that 10%. You already have it and can do what you wish. That’s what the Dems are pushing for by allowing in all the illegals.

  • Bob

    Just think how desparate Maobama and the maocrats must be to win another term. If a real leader becomes president, all the parasites like doc, anus, eddie and the rest of the coterie of cretins may have to actually produce to survive. A real leader may actually investigate the corruption of maobama and the maocrats and send them to jail. A real leader may actually end the system of parasitism and corruption that has existed in this country due to the vote buying free spending of the maocrats. A real leader just might get this country back on track and the freedom hating, tax grabbing, athiest scum of the maocrats might lose their death grip on the rest of us. Yes, I am sure that maobama is desparate to win and he will do anything to win. Watch out folks, this election could well be the last election we have before the iron curtain falls on America.

    • Wayne937

      Good article, Bob.

    • 45caliber

      I suspect that the election next fall will decide what the people want. But I’m afraid that there may be a crisis that comes up between the first of November and Jan. 20th that will require Oblama and his administration to remain in office to handle it until “it is solved.” Can you say, “the rest of his life?”

      • Bob

        I am afraid you may be right.

  • Wayne937

    I am concerned for the folks about the higher prices of all consumer goods. This crises rest squarely on Obama’s shoulder. He is against drilling for oil, against nuclear power, and he is against mining for coal. Everyone who defends this president should not be able to drive their cars, heat their homes, drive on asphalt roadway and the list goes on and on for over a hundred fold because this how many things we derive from petroleum. I am saying this because Obama’s supporters are using the very same things, oil, nuclear and coal, that Obama is against using. What hypocrits!!!! Obama’s against oil, yet he flies all over the world in that big jet consuming 36,000 gallons of jet fuel for every 10,000 flown. If he is so against oil why does he drive a car, why does he misuse this jet. If Congress had any guts, they would only let him use this jet to fly on very special occassions. Obama talks out of both sides of his mouth. I can’t understand why the poeple who are still following him does not see the damage he has done to this country. They must be receiving special favors some how for them to continue to support the worst president we have ever had in our nation. Folks, we can’t permit Obama to have another 4 year term. Let’s all get out there and fight, fight, and fight for a president that will lead us out of the current mess we are in. This country is surely in the doldrums. High unemplioyment rate, high oil prices, prices on all consumer goods on the rise. Obama was so determined to get that health care bill passed he wasted the first 2 years on it, and the “Cap & TRrade: bill. He did not do anything else in that 2 years. He should have been working on the high unemployment rate and to bring down the oil prices. Thank God the “Cap & Trade” bill got lost in the shuffle while they were bogged down with the health care bill, or we would be paying nearly double on our energy bills by now.

    • BOB

      Wayne: You have a good point how ever you forgot to mention the covers on and the insides of Barack Obama AKA Barry Soetoro’s Golf Balls are made from OIL. Is The POTUS going to stop playing golf?? That would cut down on green house gasses a lot as he wouldn’t be outside breathing and sweating. God help us all LOCK AND LOAD PEOPLE

      • Wayne937

        Bob, I could write a book on the evils of this president, but I thought everyone would get the gist of what I was trying to convey. Thanks for filling in some more points for me.

    • 45caliber

      If you look at the leading liberals who are for saving the world and reducing emmissions – NONE of them actually are doing it. They are simply trying to make the rest of us do it.

      It is like gun control or any of the other of their many beliefs – we want YOU to do it so we can continue our lifestyle in pleasure.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Thank you, thank you.
        Always ask when asked to conserve,who are we conserving for.

      • DaveH

        That is because it is a smoke screen for what they really want — Other Peoples’ Money.

    • Valerie

      Be Practical driving would take days
      In the Ideal world driving would be best
      How can we make it bettere or should we be saved.
      The problem is not one individuals fault

      • patty

        It is when they alone consume what an entire state does in energy.

  • Robert Hauser

    Yes, Myers, like all the rest of the maggotry of the media, be they so called “liberal” or flag waving “conservative”, chooses to blithely overlook by far the worst impediment to any excuse for world peace and that is and always has been Israel. Since when do the Pakis or any other MidEast people “owe” America any respect? For some reason I cannot quite bring myself to dance on the ceiling like Fred Astaire over the U.S. fedgov sanctioned murder of a man who has already been dead for ten years and who, hardly surprisingly, was created by the CIA anyway. I also find it curious, to put it mildly, that just mere days before this “glorious raid” on bin Laden’s hovel where mountainous piles of hard porn were supposedly “found”, America’s very own chocolate jesus went and officially presented us with the long awaited “long form” of his styled “birth certificate….a document that anybody with photoshop could have found more holes in than in the window screen of a Beltway brothel and which looked like it was forged by Obama’s daughter, Sasha, as a class project in school.

    What a bald faced LIE this country has degenerated into….but then what more could anyone expect from a narcissistic mackdaddy joke of a Kenyan born primate prez surrounded by jewish Wall Street “advisers”?

    • eddie47d

      R.H.; Go crawl back into your neo-Nazi hole!

  • http://twitter.com/doitathometoday Ken

    This world is nothing more than a stage for politicians, people like bin Laden & Gadhafi are just props for the writers, the handlers and managers of these politician to use. Obama’s handlers decided it was time to use bin Laden to move Obama up a notch in the play. The same with Gadhafi, Ollie North could have had him 40 yrs. ago, instead he is now being used as a prop, watch closely, it is a David Copperfield trick!

  • Randy Kyle

    Before we can dispatch the snake, we have to take off the head. In this case, the head is NOT obama. The liberal media in this country has, for four decades, sought a puppet leadership that it could prop up and ram through the socio-communist, anti-America agenda it has long been infected with. The first thing we must do is relieve the media of it’s influence by doing it’s job for it. Trumpet the truth about the left at every opportunity and build the “Tea-Party” mindset to overthrow the jack-n-jane two party system that has played us like a worn fiddle for so long.

    • 45caliber

      Back when I was still a kid, the news media reported who, what, when, why, where, and how. Period. In 1968 I saw a release by the Air Force Academy on the three rules of takeover of the US by the American Communist Party.

      Rule #2 was: “Take control of the news media and use it to prevent the public from knowing what is going on in its legislative halls and to tear down the image of any natural leader the people might wish to follow.”

      Since then the news media has dwindled to about half a dozen large corporations that control what news is printed and what isn’t. These are (but aren’t all of the groups) the TV news, American Radio Network, and two large newspaper chains.

      Consider how the media has played up Oblama and has tried to destory the image of any conservative who appears to have a chance against him (such as Palin who was vetted more in the first two weeks after she was named than Oblama has yet been). And consider what is going on in Congress and your state legislature. They pass laws almost every day – how many of them have you heard about?

      • Wayne937

        The Communist has already taken over the new media, 45calibur. I just don’t watch ABC, NBC, CBS for that very reason. Anyone who backs Obama will not get my support.

        • 45caliber

          I think they took over the media back in the ’60s.

  • Merlin

    Why did it take so long to locate him? And how did we know his location before the raid? I find the timeing to be very suspect.

    • 45caliber

      Supposedly, they didn’t know where he was but were watching a courier he trusted and used to reveal his location. Since Bin Laden refused to use a radio or telephone that might disclose where he was, couriers were the only other way to communicate. And, since he didn’t trust many to know where he was, that reduced the number of couriers he used.

      They located that courier back about six months or a year ago and have been following him ever since. He went to Bin Laden’s house about four months ago or less and after investigation they decided that Bin Laden lived there. However, there were those in Washington that were afraid that if they raided it and Bin Laden was NOT there then Oblama would look bad so they kept holding off. Further, they wanted to make the raid at a time that was politically convenient. Finally they managed to talk Oblama into signing an order that was then stretched to the breaking point to justify going after him. Even then they didn’t tell Oblama that it was going on until it was far too late to stop the attack. Interestingly to me, Hillary and Biden both knew about it all the time – just not Oblama.

  • Merlin

    How long did we know his location before the raid?

    • smilee

      WE have been told we first suspected it in Aug 2010 when a cell phone conversion was intercepted by intelligence tipping them off to this place and then they put it under surveillance both by satellite and on the ground and probably other means

  • 45caliber

    The only real advantage I see about Osama being dead is that he was the real money man of the terrorists. Unless one of his close relatives step in to start providing the money to them, that tie is cut. True, their governments are paying them too but he was the real one to gather that money.

    I suspect that Bin Laden was placed where he was to provide him to us when our politicians decided the time war right politicially. From what I hear, Oblama’s big problem with going after him was all political – would it help or hurt his efforts for reelection if they killed Bin Laden now?

    I’m really surprised that they didn’t wait until about a month before the election next year to do it. That might have increased the vote for Oblama enough to win.

    • smilee

      That’s because it may not have been a political position, you conspiracy theorists look for only one thing and that is a conspiracy and when you can not find facts to support that you then you fabricate them and present them as facts.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        So if we disagree with your take on government and politics, we are automatically conspiracy minded.

        • smilee

          NB

          Not automatically, that conclusion is based on your statements and others on here, no rational conclusion is automatic so why would you conclude that???

      • 45caliber

        That statement sounds like a conspiracy to me, smilee.

        • smilee

          45

          Where are the facts to support your conclusion?????????

          • Wayne937

            Smilee, you would not know a fact if it hit you squarely in the face. Even if you did see one, you would not know it, or would want to argue about it…

          • eddie47d

            Wayne; Saying the alphabet TV stations are run by communists is a fallacy and perpetuated by you. So you spread lies and call them facts all the time.

          • 45caliber

            I said it sounded like a conspiracy to me – and it does. As far as facts – where are yours??

      • DaveH

        We should listen to Sleepee. He is an expert fact-fabricator.

  • Tierra Teneil/Johnnie Blando

    Myers article is a joke in a way,….he talks about the Pakistani government being corrupt,….as if ours is any better under Obama, and why isn’t anybody asking the question,…..why did they kill him? The guy posed no threat to the Seals and there wasn’t much of a threat when they entered the compound. If they could shoot the wife in the leg, why not Bin Laden and take the butt-head alive. After all he knew everything about himself. As far as this reader is concerned, this attack is a false positive and a bigger failure then a success. What a bunch of dummies we have in the press and bloggaspere for not pursuing that question.

    XOXO Tierra

  • steve in AZ

    Mr. Myers-

    Harry Truman is not one of my favorite presidents ever, yet I know of no reason he should ever be compared to obama.

    There has never been a potus such as obama.He is truly without peer.

    All American presidents prior to obama have been AMERICANS.

    • smilee

      NEWSFLASH!!! HE IS AN AMERICAN!!!!!!!!!! Your saying he isn’t does not make it so.

      • 45caliber

        smilee: And your comment saying he is doesn’t make it so either, does it? How about his adoption by Sotero or whatever his name was? If we adopt someone from another country here, he becomes a member of this country. If one of ours is adopted by someone from another country, doesn’t he become a member of their country?

    • dhellew2

      While I agree with the intent of your message, either you didn’t know or forgot that several presidents were devout socialists (both Roosevelt’s, Nixon, Carter, Oreo Obama,Johnson, Wilson, etc) and some event tried to implement their own ‘obamacare’ but fortunately, unlike Oreo Obama, they failed.

      If not for Roosevelt’s government jobs the great depression would have ended 10-years earlier. Remind you of Oreo Obama?

      Clinton is a coward and a traitor.. remember he fled to Canada to avoid the draft.

      Every new government job means one less employee to pay taxes and one more expense for a non-income earning, expense creating, economy sucking government.

      All government services are non-essential and can be privatized for better results,lower cost, while spreading cost of the remaining government over more people.

      • smilee

        you are one totally confused person and so filled with hate and your preface to Obama’s name paints you as a racist too. And Clinton never went to Canada. Your post does not address either mine or the one I was addressing so who you talking to MAN?????????

        • patty

          Smilee-You are right. He went to Oxford in England to avaoid the draft once his state side student deferrment was over.
          http://www.1stcavmedic.com/bill-clinton-draft.htm

          • smilee

            That was a student deferred and it was legal, you make it sound like it was not, Cheney had five of them right here in the good old USA, you did not have to leave the country

          • patty

            Smilee-We were talking about Clinton and the draft. Not others. Yes, many on both sides did it. I was correcting the comment about Canada. It was England. Did he dodge the draft. Yes. As many others did including Cheney as you pointed out.

          • patty

            Smilee-I never said it was illegal. All I did was correct the location of where he went to dodge the draft.

          • 45caliber

            Actually, patty, Clinton went to Oxford so he could better contact the Russians. He was officially in England a year – but the first half he spent organizing some Communist protests in London. The Russian government took him to Russia, at their expense, and so far no one has ever learned what he did there.

      • 45caliber

        dhellew2:

        Actually Clinton didn’t run to Canada to avoid the draft. He made a deal with the National Guard general in AR to go to college at University of AR to avoid draft and then found out his draft number was too high to be drafted. So he quit school there and went to New England. I suspect he would have gone but he didn’t have to.

        • patty

          I thought 1A was a high number. That is what he was when his US deferral ran out. I kind of thought that is why he left the country for higher education because his number was a for sure ship out. Didn’t have to sign up for the draft so not sure how it worked. If they bring it back, do you think females will have to register this time around?

          • 45caliber

            patty:

            1A means that you are in good condition and could be drafted. Actually, what they did was to draw numbers from 1 to 365. Those were the days of the year – and were birthdays. Mine was 69. His was in the 300′s if I recall correctly.

            If you had a low number, as I did, you were drafted if you didn’t get a deferment or join. I joined. But they were only drafting men up to about 240. Those above that were fairly safe. Since his number was so high, he was almost assured of not being drafted. So he ignored his deal with the general and took off for NY. Later he went to England. He actually isn’t that smart. He bragged in college that he was “approached by 8 people who told him they would put him in the White House if he did what they told him to do.” Actually it was more of a brag: “I’m going to be the President some day and I’ll remember it if you don’t go to bed with me.” According to those who were in college with him, he dropped all his political classes and took acting. He was paid $50,000 a year (when $5,000 a year wasn’t an uncommon wage) to go to college so he paid other students to do his papers, etc. Even to take some tests for him. Supposedly, that’s how he earned his Rhodes Scholarship.

          • 45caliber

            patty:

            In answer to your question, yes, I do think females will be subject to draft if they bring it back. Not necessarily for combat (probably not) but for service jobs. In fact, they may even make community service a requirement for draftees instead of the military. Oblama favors that.

          • patty

            45- Thanks for clarifying that for me. I hope they do draft women. Equality you know. My sister is leaving on her 3rd tour of Iraq in about 2 weeks. She use to be Sgt. in the supply line. Not sure what she will be doing this go around. Israel has 2 years of community service after high school. Depends on if this is going to be community service or more indoctrination before I could comment on good/bad idea.

  • Earl, QUEENS, NY

    You say “America hasn’t had a leader like President Barack Obama in generations.” To be more exact, we’ve NEVER had a POTUS like him!! FDR, LBJ and Jimmy Carter were the worst presidents back then, but BHO has done more damage to America in 28 months than any past POTUS in 4-8 years!! He definitely needs to be defeated in 2012 if we are to save America!! With the help of a teleprompter and his allies within the leftwing media, BHO was able to fool a large % of the voters. Unlike the candidate BHO in 2008, the 2012 candidate BHO has already proven to be far more radical and leftwing. People are very foolish if they re-elect him based on the past 28 months!!

    Of course the drones and welfare moochers, along with other leftwing fringe groups, will continue to support BHO, and repeat the “One Big Awful Mistake America made by voters on 11/4/2008”. And we can hope that enough Obama voters have wised up enough to deny BHO a second term in the 11/2012 election. Our biggest worry is perhaps the many ‘Charlie Brown’ voters. Again, think of the Peanuts comic strip, in which Lucy always lies to Charlie Brown and tells him to kick the football. Then she pulls the ball away, and Charlie Brown falls on his back. Well, like Lucy, BHO has proven to be a liar whose policies have been disastrous for America. Sadly, a large % of voters are like the blockhead Charlie Brown, who repeatedly fall for such lies and never learn. Thus they are the voters we should focus on. It’s frustrating that so far the only potential 2012 GOP candidates (discounting Herman Cain and Allen West) are either RINOs or wimps who pander to the liberal democraps. We really need to nominate a solid Reagan/Palin-like conservative in the primaries. But even if we can’t, let’s make it clear that we should vote for any GOP nominee, even if it’s just a vote against BHO. If BHO gets a second term, that’s the end of America as we knew it.

    • 45caliber

      I agree. He is even worse that Carter who is considered the worst President – and Clinton as well who was scarcely better than Carter.

  • Angelia

    President Obama has to go NOW! With the new election cycle around the corner we have ONE chance to send him packing. Here’s how:

    Senator Obama co-chaired Senate Resolution 511 in order to disprove that Senator McCain fulfilled the requirements of a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN. To be eligible to run for the office of President, the candidate MUST be born on American soil and Both Parents MUST be American Citizens. President Obama is short by one American parent.

    The Ninth District Court of Appeals in California is trying to figure out if they can hear the case against President Obama’s eligibility filed in 2008. The issue is what they call “Standing” and Harm.
    If the Congress or the Senate refuse to deal with this issue then the only option left on the table according to the Ninth District Court:

    ONLY a current Candidate running for the office of President against Obama WOULD HAVE STANDING!
    In essence, if ONE or more current candidate(s) were to challenge Obama on the question of fulfilling the Natural Born Requirement, this could go to court quickly. This MUST be done before the election is over.

    Mr. Manning explains this best.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xlM2dWMhTbI

    • Doc Sarvis

      From About.com “Only native-born U.S. citizens (or those born abroad, but only to parents who were both citizens of the U.S.) may be president of the United States…” President Obama was born in the U.S. – not abroad so both parents did not need to be citizens.

      • 45caliber

        Doc: I wish I was as convinced as you that he was born here. I really do.

    • smilee

      Angelica

      Its very doubtful the ninth will vote in favor of the birthers, I watched this court drama and the lawyers for the birthers made fools of themselves and if you can take anything from the judges questions it is hard not conclude they think this thing a joke. They seem to think that a sitting president can only be removed from office by impeachment and conviction by the congress and that the courts do have jurisdiction on that or a candidate for president would have standing to do so in an election but none will as this is a loosing proposition for them and then a sure loss of the election for them. This is a dead issue and in no way is any thing ever become of it. In time it will back fire against the birthers

      • 45caliber

        Considering this is the Ninth Court of Appeals, I agree. I can’t see them deciding against Oblama either. On the other hand I’m certain that those you call “birthers” know that also. They want to go before the SCOTUS.

        • smilee

          There is very little chance that the Supreme Court will hear it as all the courts are dismissing or ruling against the birthers not just the 9th. The position of the courts that do not dismiss will most likely be that the courts ruling will be that the court does not have jurisdiction over a sitting president, that power is in the hands of the Congress, the house to impeach and the senate to try to convict and that is not going to happen either. This is truly a dead horse

  • http://com i41

    Robert Hauser, the simple midget minded smucks who will vote for the marxist muslim moron, knew Onumnutts and all dems do not respect American values. Since the marxist/communist democrat party inception, the ultimate goal has been for a one world controlled world. Onumnutts wrote he did not like the USA and traveled all over knocking everything USA. America still has State Department sactioned plane loads of new muslim terrorist voters being brought in to the center of the USA, as they are unloaded in Omaha Neb. on us taxpayers. I use Sioux Falls S.D, as a example because of my relitives who live there point out that 1 1/2 years ago the offical muslim population was less than 1000 and had 2 mosques. Now there is going to be 6-6million dollar mosques built with forieng muslim anti USA countries oil dollars. Since Sioux Falls is a dem strong hold in the State and gave the country the likes of McGovern and Daschle, and Onumnutt lovers. Who do you think the pedophile worshippers are going to vote for when the terrorists are coming from 3rd world dung heaps and embrace radical veiws. Yemen, Saudia Arabia, Egypt, now Libya and soon other muslim terrorist pervert hot spots, all to live off you the federal taxpayers. Since Sioux Falls is only a hundred + mies from another huge shipped in muslim population in Minn, which gave the citizens the likes of Franken the libatard and the muslim pervert in the Congress. The same freak that who sounded like a goat abuser with a goat pellet in his throat, when talking at the muslim hearings crying about some muslim who got smeared on 9/11. I have no doubt the Onumnutt will get reelected since the out of work grads and all the mental morons who defend this niggardly peice of forgeing s–t who will n—er rig the elections again,with regressive depressive libatards who want every USA citizen to be a welfare government slub.

  • dhellew2

    Chip Wood says to keep your powder dry,,, I say keep your guns loaded and your pantry full. The fight for freedom and the Republic for which it stands has yet to begin.

    The republic protects the rights of the individual, the very things that made America strong. A democracy, a form of socialism that allows the lazy to take from those that work without earning it.

    In every democracy throughout history when the lazy citizens realized they could vote themselves a piece of their neighbors property the democracy failed. Is America going to allow Oreo Obama to destroy the Republic?

    If you are one that takes without earning it, what are you going to do when there is no one left to take from? Oreo Obama believes wealth belongs to the government (himself). Read the United Nations bible “Sustainable Development Agenda 21″ for a clear picture of Oreo Obama’s dream.

    • Bitter Libertarian

      I agree, the information I get from around the globe does confirm there is an adjenda of Global Governance.

      People talk of a “Rapture”, if you think about it anyone who fights the NWO will eventually be killed. So the only ones left are those who agree, or “choose” to turn their backs on their creator. Hence by war the rapture is complete.

      • Raggs

        This is the first time I found someone that understood what the rapture really is….

      • 45caliber

        BL:

        The amusing thing to be about the One World Government people is that most of them are Americans. Our politicians believe that because they are Americans they will be in charge. Boy, do they have a surprise coming!

  • Chaz

    The desperate act of a desperate man. A mindless man, a gutless man a brainless man a true unAmerican man. A man who will not do the pledge to our flag, ware a flag pin, holds contempt for freedom and loves to rob the wealthy to support the worthless lazy folk. An Illegal president who cares little for the USA and will and has done everything in his power to bury us alive. A man, and I use the term man only because he is a male
    who has so much hate for this country that only the self blinded can not see it. A truly worthless man who just happens to be president of the ounce United States.

    • smilee

      Geez, That sounds more like the perfect description of yourself

      • 45caliber

        smilee:

        You mean to say that Chaz IS Oblama? Wow! I didn’t realize that!

  • Bitter Libertarian

    In some ways I really hate articles like this because in more ways then one they are misleading, and start fights for no good reason.

    If you reallly believe that Obama creates this stuff up in his head, or works for the American People your lost. He’s nothing more or less then the past 8 presidents! (sorry thgrowing Regan in there because on his watch the Non-Federal Non-Reserve wasnt shut down)

    Its not a conspiracy, its an adjenda-LEARN HOW TO PIECE A PUZZEL TOGETHER! :)

  • Wayne937

    I just read that it was GE who wanted Congress to pass the light bulb bill requiring us to buy them from the Chinese starting in 2014. You do know that the president of GE, Jeffery Immelt, is also a good friend of Obama’s. Check out this website for the information: http://patriotupdate.com/6948/ge-lobbied-for-federally-mandated-light-bulb This president and Congress will go down in history as the worst administration and Congress we have ever had. No more incadescent light bulbs will be made in the USA. They have certainly screwed the American People. Thanks, Obama, your the idiot who had to sign this crazy bill into law. Thanks to Obama’s Zombies for dreaming up this bill with the help of Jeffrey Immelt. This will permit more jobs going to China, as if they haven’t enough of our jobs already. We have got to get the word out about this current administration and Congress some how.

    • eddie47d

      As you all say over and over again “if you don’t like the way a business is run(G.E.)then go out and start your own business”. If that quote from Dave H. is good for the goose then it should be good for you ganders.

      • Jay

        Agreed eddie, but until we can do that we first have to remove numb-nuts and his “Create suppressive anti-industry legislation” idiots out of office! Then, and only then, will it be good for the ganders! Get it, numb nuts!

      • patty

        That would be great if laws, regulations and restrictions won’t allow you to start a light bulb company here. Why do you think that GE had the gov’t. pass a law against incandesent bulbs and to only be able to produce CFL’s? http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=45156
        I can tell you, they don’t work in the northern states. Ge who is a big supporter of Obama and Gore pushing legislation to make him a zillionaire off of “carbon credits” It is not just Obama or Bush. It is the NWO. He is right, they are just the puppets.
        I find it very ironic that libs always dump on big business, but yet they support one of the biggest big business scams developed by man under the name of “green”. Do you also think it ironic that the “green” movement and “green” in general has always referred to money?

      • Wayne937

        Eddie47d, do you work for a company, or are you self employed? If your working for a company it may be the next one to leave for China. Of course you could be living off the taxpayer. In this case you should still worry because the government will be taking in less tax money and this could have an effect on you monthy income. You may get a DECREASE!!!!

        • 45caliber

          Wayne: It is obvious that eddie doesn’t work. He spends too much time on here …

        • JeffH

          47Stupid said he’s a retired 40 year union thug errr member.

          • eddie47d

            Then you must be Jeff Harpy.

          • JeffH

            …and you will always be 47Stupid the repeater!

    • 45caliber

      Wayne: I figured you’d have known that GE has a large factory in China …

  • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

    A tyrant must put on the appearance of uncommon devotion to religion. Subjects are less apprehensive of illegal treatment from a ruler whom they consider god-fearing and pious. On the other hand, they do less easily move against him, believing that he has the gods on his side.

    Aristotle:

    Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws.
    Plato:3

    • Wayne937

      Coal Miner, if your really are from a coal mining state, I have no doubts that you are, Obama has certainly hurt the employees that dig the coal in your state and all other coal mining states. How could anyone from these coal mining states ever vote for Obama. He has put many, many people out of work in all the states that produces coal, and oil. We need to vote this man out of office in 2012, or the unemployment will even go up higher if he is to be reelected. If he is lucky enough to get voted back in again, what does he have to lose? He will know that he will have enough time to finish off the USA in the 2nd term. What he has has failed to get accomplished in his first term, he will finish us off in the 2nd term. Then we can say good-by to the good of USA. I think that Eddie, Jovi, Karolyn are Obama’s plants on this forum to report back to Obama’s staff what is going on. Obama most likely has plants on all these forums. Maybe they are getting paid indirectly by George Soros. If I was a working man, I am retired by the way, I could never spend the amount of time on here at these Liberals do. I think some one is paying them for sitting on their butts repoting back to the Anointed One. Does anyone else agree with this?

      • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

        Wayne937,

        The only person I ever voted for, was Richard M. Nixion.I considered him an honest man,not the crooks we got running today.The best choice today is Mitch Daniells.I am voting for him,if he runs.2

        • Wayne937

          coal mimer, I am going to vote for who ever the Republican nominee is that is running against Obamanuts. We need to kick Obama out of office. He has been there too long now.

  • RWT001

    To save the USA, those who normally would vote Democrat will have to vote for the Republican candidate for President. Another 4 years of Obama and those he has put in control will finish off the USA and both parties as we have know them. Since Obama has 2 more years to go, it could happen sooner. The issue is no longer Democrat vs. Republican but rather to save what we have known as the USA.

    • Wayne937

      Right now I don’t cae who wins in the Republican Primary. I will vote for whoever is running against Obama. I don’t think anyone in the Republican pool could ever be like Obama.

      • 45caliber

        They might be close to as bad but I do agree – I don’t think anyone could be AS bad.

  • Wayne937

    You know what just struck me? Who will Obama release from prison when he is an out going presient. Good God, will he release all the Muslim Terrorist we have in our prison system. This is some very scary stuff, folks.

    • eddie47d

      Poor Wayne you have ate the right wing rat poison along with the kool aid!

      • Wayne937

        Por Eddie, your dreaming, you can go back to sleep now. Ya hear.

      • JC

        Good Ol eddie the goose stepping union propogandist speaks…
        Ever wondered what it’s like to have an original thought?

        • eddie47d

          So that means you agree that all Muslim terrorists in American prisons will be released by Obama. I don’t even think that is a remote possibility so you hang on to the thought process of the Republican nutjobs.

          • JC

            If by “Do I agree Obama will release a bunch of terrorists”
            you mean:
            “Good Ol eddie the goose stepping union propogandist speaks…
            Ever wondered what it’s like to have an original thought?”

            Then yes absolutely I agree.

            See? I can do it too. (Make no sense at all I mean) ;)

        • JeffH

          JC, if I may..what JC is saying 47Stupid, is that you are..ehhh…stupid…to put it in a nutshell. No pun intended.

          • eddie47d

            Jeff; If you are attempting humor or intelligence it looks like you failed at both. Are you back at repeating something often enough so you can play the fool that you are?

          • JC

            Wow Jeff, you totally stripped his gears man!
            Did you read how psychotic his last post was?
            Too funny! :)

  • Mike

    Smoke and mirrors. We the people really are not privy to anything. Even with the FOI act we can’t even see photos of OBL. Even if we could, how could we be certain they were not doctored? There is no body to examine. They haven’t even released the DNA results. A little sleight of hand, a little mis-deirection. Be happy. Pay your taxes.

    As for BO… He is a terrible leader. He hasn’t followed through on anything he promised (peace and diplomacy in the middle east, healthcare debacle, closing gitmo…). The problem is the mainstream gives him a pass. You’d think questions about the economy, questions about Pakistan harboring terrorists, questions about immigration, and questions about the BO campaign lies would be at the forefront of the daily news. These issues are swept under the rug… again… smoke and mirrors.

    • eddie47d

      Those questions are in the paper every day and yes they are being shoved under the rug by Republicans who don’t want to deal with them.

      • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

        eddie4D,
        They are good CHRISTIANS .ha ha ha! Here is one of history’s most beloved leader’s quotes.

        As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice.
        Adolf Hitler

        • JC

          Clear eveidence that left wing socialists will use any guise to further an evil cause. And like Hitler they must be erased from society.

          • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

            JC

            “The streets of our country are in turmoil. The universities are filled with students rebelling and rioting. Communists are seeking to destroy our country. Russia is threatening us with her might, and the Republic is in danger. Yes – danger from within and without. We need law and order! Without it our nation cannot survive.” -Adolf Hitler

            Hitler hated Communists. He thought that the goal of economics should be efficiency and not equality (he believed economic equality was WRONG) and that Communists were “rabble rousers” who interfered with patriotic production.

            Communists were the very first group to qualify for sentencing to death camps, even before Jews and Gypsies. This is because Hitler thought Communism was a Jewish conspiracy to take power. He recognized that Karl Marx, the founder of Communist philosophy, had been 100% ethnically Jewish, although an Athiest, and that many Jews in Germany were Communists. Non-Jewish Communists, according to Hitler, were even worse, they were “race traitors” (Himmler quotes) who wished to share power and wealth due the Aryans with “mud-people”.

            Read more:6 http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_was_Hitler's_opinion_of_communism#ixzz1MpSuvLSY

          • JC

            Yeah…thanks for the info. I was aware of all that by the way.
            Thing is, I said “socialists”, not communists.
            And
            I don’t hate communists because Hitler did…
            I hate them for all the obvious reasons.

  • chuckb

    wayne937, barry will probably release all the terrorist from guantanamo.

    • Wayne937

      ChuckB, since most of them are his Muslim Brothers, that is what I am afraid of.

  • ONTIME

    America has never had a POTUS that was unvetted, uncredentialed and allowed to hold office such as this. Never have we had a manufactured candidate get this high in the poitical establishment and have no trust or verify follow him to govern his behavior. Our legislators and courts act as if they are parlyzed and cannot come to grips with this diaster in their ranks, none of them have the nerve or the commonsense to step up and demand investigation, as if they are eing blackmailed or is it they too are in cahoots with this scam?..What the hell else can you assume?

    The time is now to rebuild this government in such a way that this state of chaos never takes place again and real honorable men and women can step forth to serve the nation as public servants and not the elite overpaid weasels we no have.

  • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

    John:

    I was under the impression that Little Barry WAS personally responsible for killing bin-Laden. I thought he was the one who fired the shot. His speech as nothing but I,I,I, me,me,me.

    They have created quite an illusion. Check out this link.

    http://reidsright.blogspot.com/2011/05/panetta-ordered-raid.html

  • Angelia

    ONTIME, it’s even worse than what you think. Obama says he killed UBL. The recent news of the demise of UBL has brought about cheering “4 more years” for Obama. There is only one problem, UBL died in December of 2001. Our President is asking the American Public to believe that UBL has risen from the land of the dead for the express purpose of American Citizens to vote him into office for a second term.

    Listen to news reports outside of the US because our press is bought and paid for.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Im1RjrIlLzo&NR=1

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k42sx6S2dBc&feature=related

    I’ve included this video because of the ending. It’s enough to make anyone angry!

    • smilee

      Is there any lie you will not believe??????

      • DaveH
      • 45caliber

        smilee:

        Generally she won’t believe your lies. So there are some she won’t believe.

      • Al Sieber

        smilee, you’re a dumb a$$, you win a case of chocolate Moon pies, and a case of chocolate Yahoo’s to wash them down. the idiot of the day award.

  • Angelia
  • chuckb

    ontime, one of the reasons people are cowed by this administration and barry is the racial issue.
    the media has pounced on anyone who criticize or ask for verification of these fraudulent documents. the republicans are meek by nature and easily swayed and fearfuil of anyone calling them a racist, birther or any denigrating name. watch how defensive they get whenever they are called by any of these names. they will spend a week apologizing.

    the democrats made a very successful move in nominating and electing a black pinocchio. his nose appears to grow longer all the time.

  • JeffH

    This comment about Obama from John Meyers was the one that stuck out the most for me.

    “It is about a president desperate for reelection and seeking the spotlight for an American electorate who only glance at headlines.”

    Desperate times require desperate moves. The timing of Bin Laden’s Obama approved assasination and all the bragging over it by the CIC/POTUS. Never let a crisis go to waste. Keep the sheeple occupied, away from the real issues.

    Unrelenting debt, $4/gal + gasoline prices, rising unemployment, rapidly escalating cost of living, devaluation of the dollar, government’s constant attacks on the states, small businesses and the middle class and the rich. Obama has been clearly fighting the American “way of life”…It’s hard not to think that the administration’s unrelenting hostility to the private sector in general and to companies and industries that create jobs in the United States isn’t responsible for this deplorable situation.

    The job creators are still sitting on the sidelines, waiting to see if Washington is finally willing to adopt pro-growth policies to get the economy moving. Don’t hold your breath.

    We are nearly two years into economic recovery, and our country still faces record high levels of unemployment. The Obama years represent the highest levels of sustained unemployment since the Great Depression.

    $10 trillion of additional debt that we will accumulate by the end of a second Obama administration. This is a crisis that the president has chosen to ignore. He ignored it in his budget submission. He ignores it on the campaign trail and he continues to insist that higher taxes on billionaires and spending reductions at the margins will solve the problem.

    He believes the public is so insistent on maintaining entitlement programs that began in the 1930s – 1960s, and remain unchanged, that people will overlook this systematic looting of our children’s future.

    The three wars in the Middle East. Here I thought Obama would give in as he promised but he chose(or his bosses chose)to take us into a new war, a third war in Libya.

    O’mans prospects don’t look so rosy. He resembles Jimmy Carter more and more by the day. He seldom talks about his limited accomplishments in favor of demonizing Republicans or anyone else for that matter. The best Obama can offer now is, “I may not be so great, but look at these other guys.”

    Now there’s word that the Internal Revenue Service is targeting conservative groups(Koch)that have supported causes and issues in opposition to the administration. You’d think to be fair they’ed investigate the Soros funded groups too.(but that might break the guvment bank) Freedom of speech is inconvenient, especially when it conflicts with a president’s reelection.

    As the song goes, “Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.”
    “The Audacity of Hope,” indeed.
    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/republicans-accuse-dems-of-using-irs-audits-to-bully-conservative-groups/

    • 45caliber

      JeffH:

      Actually I’m surprised about this – or was until I heard what went on. I think the real plan was to kill Bin Laden about a month before the election next fall. Then he could have gotten some people excited enough to vote for him. It’s just that some of those in Washington wouldn’t wait. And I expect to see several of them disappear from the Washington scene in the near future.

      • JeffH

        45, I’m hoping we will see a lot more of them disappear in the near future also. We’ve got to get America back on track and out of the hands of these “globalist” monsters.

  • JACK R

    The reason Federal, State and County employees receive plush benefits and higher wages than the average “Working Joe” is simply because when the next election comes up the government employee will vote back into office the person or persons that gave him those benefits.

    Would you vote against the guy that gave you a raise and plush benefits?!

    Politicians are simply buying their vote and thus remain in their positions of power and influence.

    Since Obama has taken office, he has appointed over 100,000 government jobs hoping he will remain in office.

    We must expose the Administration and get the truth out. Don’t be fooled by the seductive rhetoric or lies and false promises.

    SPREAD THE WORD!

  • Sutekh

    Take a look at the labor unions as well. They are Obama’s minions, too.

    The president of the AFL-CIO printed an editorial in the Spanish Language Newspaper “La Prensa) in Houston. In it, he claimed that immigrants (read: “illegals”) were “under attack.” He parroted all the radical marxist rhetoric about how workers are oppressed. He pooh poohed claims that illegals are taking American jobs by the distraction of mentioning the exportation of jobs.

    He did not take time to rationalize why it is o.k. for labor unions to have closed shops that nonunion members can’t work in, but the ordinary U.S. citizen can’t have a country that noncitizens aren’t allowed to work in. The article was printed in a Spanish language paper so that the ordinary Joe union worker probably won’t ever see it, and couldn’t read it anyway.

    Labor unions are just another form of political party and should be regulated as such.

    Obama is convinced that with no voter ID laws, he can get every illegal in the country to vote him back into office.

    Will Obama be remembered as the worst president we ever had, or as the last president we ever had? Let’s kick him out of office now, so that we can nostalgically remember him as our worst president, instead of wistfully remembering when we had a country.

    Sutekh

  • http://com i41

    All democrats are marxist/communist socialist clutchs of brain dead idoits. Giffords who is one of the smarter dumbocraps proved they can be shot in the head and still function as a normally they would. Onuumnutts can not give a speech with out his teapromoter beng pulled in, and is umming and aahing like a 6th grade madrasses train pervert explaining quantum science with lip stick. This crossbred niggardly marxist muslim moron has not a clue what or how to solve a problems of any markets or get private job creation, of course that includes all dumbocrap no brain regressive depressive smucks.

    • skip

      You are truly a sick, sick person. Please get some mental health help. There is really no room for such sick thinking in anything resembling reasonable discourse. Please find a psychiatrist, even a Tea Party psychiatrist. Ask the Koch Brothers to help you pay for it – and perhaps they might go along with you for group therapy.

    • skip

      You should run for President at the head of the Republican ticket – the quality of your thinking, your morals, your ethics is superior to those who are running are thinking of running! You really have a lot to offer and I’m sure the nation would love to hear you in the debates. You would get a lot of media coverage, and Rush and Glenn would certainly have you as their priority guest; perhaps Hannity and Ann Coulter as well. E-mail them your comments above and see if you get an invite. You are truly unique and have a lot of ideas to offer the country.

  • DaveH

    We need to get these Ignorant Democrats out of Congress next election, and then start working on the Republican slackers.
    Read this, and you will be shocked and angered:
    http://reason.com/archives/2010/12/28/carbon-rationing-by-other-mean

    All this for the Global Warming Hoax that Democrats are still pushing on the people. They are determined to turn us into a third-world nation.

    • DaveH

      Vote Libertarian for a return to Freedom and Sanity:
      http://libertarianparty.org/

      • Sutekh

        Dave H., I think it should be said that the Libertarian platform is pretty much the same as the Democratic platform, with ONE BIG DIFFERENCE.

        Both Democrats and Libertarians say you can spend as much money as you want to. But the Libertarians add, “As long as it’s YOUR money.”

        Both say “You can sleep with anybody you want to.” However, the Libertarians add, “If you catch a deadly disease doing it, you get to pay all the hospital and doctor bills out of your own pocket, and your family gets to pay for your funeral.”

        Both say “You don’t have to work if you don’t want to.” But the Liberatarians add “But, of course, if you don’t work, you’ll starve.”

        Both say, “You can stick your boss up for as much money as you think you can make him pay you.” But the Liberatarians add, “And if your boss goes bankrupt, then you are out of work, and your pension is shot, and the taxpayer is not going to help you.”

        Both say, “If you are not an American citizen, you can still come to this country and live and work.” But the Libertarians add, “But if you can only get a job by agreeing to work for no benefits and subminimum wage to undercut American citizens, then if you get sick, or can’t pay for your kids’ school tuition at the public school, then you get to live exactly as you did in your home country.”

        That’s why the Liberatarian party can’t make any headway. The Democrats have used Pavlovian training to condition the lowest common denominator of the population to expect everything for free with no consequences or personal responsiblity. If you put back the consequences and personal responsiblity, bitter hatred breaks out like lightning, and strikes at the polls.

        Sutekh

        • JeffH

          Sutekh, do you actually believe what you just said/wrote down?
          Pardon me if I don’t agree, but that is as far out there a comparison as anything I’ve read in my recent lifetime. The Democrats are all about control…damn what you think they say…it’s what they do that blows your theory up.

  • DaveH
    • Jay

      May Andringa never become a judge, wow!

  • DaveH
    • Jay

      Unbelievable! Had to read it twice..

      • bob wire

        and you claim to be to protectors of the unborn?

        how about being protectors of the “born” for a change and be adults and understand and accept limits to your freedom for a yet higher rewards?

        • JC

          Limit freedom for higher rewards….rewards from who?

        • DaveH

          There you have it folks. Bob, the guy who can rarely put together a comprehensible sentence, wants to make you purchasing decisions for you. These Liberals know what’s best for us dumb smucks, just ask them.

        • Patty

          Bob- You sure you don’t want to re-word that?
          “A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have”.-Jefferson And you are seriously thinking that giving up your freedoms is good for anyone? It sounds more like you don’t want to be responsible for yourself.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Patty, they want the mammy government to do their thinking for them, it is much too hard to do it for themselves.

          • Patty

            I realize that. I just can’t believe that someone does not want to be responsible for watching their own child. There was a little girl in daycare that choked to death on a grape. Should we ban all grapes?
            http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2011/02/22/minn-bill-would-broaden-cpr-training-for-day-care/ When my child was in daycare, I vetted the person. They had 1st aid training, lisc., experience and references. It is probably a good thing that all daycare people have basic 1st aid training, but what about the responsibility of the parents to make sure they are leaving their child in capable hands?
            Bob, kids can choke on a multitude of things. Coins, legos, anything that can fit into their mouth. So, should all things small enough to fit into a childs mouth be banned? Or should parents be responsible and watch what their children are shoving in their faces?

        • Patty

          Bob – Please tell me what you think those “higher” rewards are.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Don’t hold your breath for an answer.

        • Patty

          Come on Bob Wire- let’s have this discussion.

  • Jay

    All the Obama supporters on this site seem very, very nervous and scared, almost desperate, and no doubt, have ramped up their efforts to defend their beloved führer! Ah, but to no avail! Your beloved führer will soon suffer shame and dishonour! Afraid? Nervous? You should be! All polls indicate that the abomination that sits in the White House will loose, you pack of vile rats!!!

    • Karolyn

      WOW!

      • bob wire

        Yes Jay ~ they are “ske’ered” to death. In fact, I suppose that’s why I can’t sleep tonight or is the long day and late dinner? Seems like I’m sleeping on a sack of horse shoes tonight. I had a bad dream and woke up!

        I was enjoying the final day of a paradise trip and was preparing to pack and leave as new unruly arrives were pouring in fast and the once peaceful was coming alive with activity.

        They were a younger crowd, full of excitement and laughter as they playing “grab ass” games of fun.

        A groups of them circle me as I was retrieving my luggage to pack and snatched them away from me and started playing “keep away” ~ I’d reach for them and they would laugh,relay and run about, making me look quite the goose.

        I was in quite a quandary as to what to do about this as I needed my luggage to ever leave and both time and numbers were not on my side, while my patience’s was not on theirs.

        I approach the ring leader of this Monkey Business (thank you Time) and pulled off a round from the little 22 mag,5 shot I had just retrieved next to his ear and as he grabbed his ears I shot him in the foot and watched him hop around for a while. He was hopping around and holding his ears and then his foot while laying down a nice little blood trail in the process of his dance of pain and disbelief.

        and then I woke up in a sweat, unable to go back to sleep.

        Man! I’m glad that was just a dream.

        It was a hell’va day today ~ seems the devil was after me all morning long, just trying to make me act ugly. But I didn’t, I put up with America’s new idea of counter help with telephones stuck to their heads, looking like Modonna in concert, leaving you to compete for their attention , never knowing for sure if you got it or who they might be talking to as they screwed up a $2,700.00 order that created a tangle that took 2 1/2 hours and 2 truck, 4 trips to correct.

        Yea Jay ~ we’re all “ske’ered” , scared someone is going to get hurt and over react to all the bull$hit you people spread about and your visions of America, where everything is somehow “labor neutral”, where everyone can live in some GD box under some bridge until they are summoned by the need of the wealthy. Hmm?

        now ! maybe I can gets some sleep.

        • Jay

          bob wire, that is what can happen when you forget to take your medication. Important, read the instructions! Are you ok now?

    • Raggs

      Now thats Cool… luv your post Jay…

  • http://deleted Claire

    Democrat Party–supported by Soros
    Republican Party & the Tea Party–supported by the Koch Brothers.

    Personally, I think they are taking us all for a ride.

    • chuckb

      claire, what’s wrong with the koch bros. other than being conservative. at least they don’t fly the hammer and sickle like soros.

    • JeffH

      Claire, George Soros is funding the destruction of America and the Democratic Socialist Party. Whatever you choose to believe, be it known that the pro-capitalist Koch boys pale in comparison to George Soros. Because of Soros and his agenda, his media control and his “socialist” and leftist organizations, the Koch boys have been publisized and chastised by them. The Koch’s are made to be the centerpiece so the Marxist/socialist/communist/ progressives have some way to stir the pot.

      The Koch boys aren’t trying to destroy your way of life, your pension fund, your ability to afford to live, your ability to make free choices. Soros , Obama and the rest, including the Republicans are.

      I resect you and your choices but I feel you’re not getting the facts of the matter correct.

      If you’d like to take the time, research the organizations that are funded directly by George Soros and his Open Society Institute (OSI).
      http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=1237

      • JeffH

        Claire, If you would, in order to be fair, compare the Soros groups to those funded by the Koch Brothers. Charles and David Koch foundations have together provided millions of dollars to a variety of organizations, usually libertarian or conservative think tanks.

        The Cato Institute, The Heritage Foundation, Americans for Prosperity Foundation, the Mercatus Center, the Institute for Humane Studies, Citizens for a Sound Economy, the Institute for Justice, the Alexis de Tocqueville Institution, the Institute for Energy Research, the Foundation for Research on Economics and the Environment, Heritage Foundation, the Manhattan Institute, the George C. Marshall Institute, the Reason Foundation and the American Enterprise Institute.
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koch_Family_Foundations

        I’m not trying to say they are angels by any means but I am saying that they are Americans and interested in preserving the freedoms that we have learned to love, unlike George Soros and his anti-American partners.

        • Kate8

          JeffH – I’m with you on this. I think the Left has held up the Koch brothers to deflect heat from Soros.

          Personally, I see no comparison.

      • http://deleted Claire

        I stand by my comment–they are taking us all for a ride.

        • DaveH

          Who knows? But we can cure any possibility of that by getting the Government out of the marketplace, and stop their international military excursions (which, I think, are more often than not to protect one Crony Capitalist or another). Both of these things are policies of the Libertarian Party.

        • JeffH

          Claire, I agree that both parties are a contributing source of this nations ills but I will say without reservation that you are dead wrong about the Tea Party movement being involved in any way. You have the right to your opinion as dp I.

  • Wayne937
  • Jay

    Wayne, good link, thanks! There’s no doubt in my mind that the present potus is a total rat skunk!!!

  • chuckb

    wayne, best one yet, more believable. throw’em out!

  • http://www.personalliberty.com/author/ben-crystal/ Ben Crystal (All Hail the Mighty Myers!)

    A magnificently insightful analysis by you, John. How long before we see “OBAMAMAN” on the big screen? (Directed by Michael Moore, produced by Oliver Stone and Sean Penn, no doubt.)

    • Raggs

      Alan Colmes as the schofer / luggage BOY…

      • DaveH

        What a buffoon (Alan).

    • Jay

      And all funding generously provided by George Soros the putz!

  • R. Smullen

    Obama, a communist chump. He does not have the intelligence to run a country.I hope he has to account for his actions as president. The truth will come out, we will all see.

  • REYKOOL

    It was confirmed by the former Deputy Assistant Secretary of State under three US administrations
    Steve R Pieczenk that Osama Bin Laden died in 2001 of Marfan Syndrome, and was treated by CIA physicians in 2000..Marfan Syndrome is a degenerative genetic disease for which there is no permanent cure and severely shortens the life span of the sufferer who needs dialysis in order to survive for a few years…NO DIALYSIS MACHINE WERE FOUND IN THE COMPOUND….for good reason…This compound was about 30 Miles from a CIA station in Pakistan and the ONLY big construction in the Village….This “Killing” of Bin Laden was staged, the man who died there was most likely Bin Laden “look a Like” used in all these fake videos made by SITE intel Group a Private Military contractor owned by Rita Katz an Israeli who’s father was executed in Iraq for spying for Israeli Mossad These phony videos and Audio tapes kept the “Myth” of Al Qaeda ALIVE for the past ten years….NOW let’s be honest People. The Body was almost immediately dumped in the Ocean, The ONLY death photo provided turned out to be a FAKE and it was confirmed by our Government, While the “Real ones” are too “Gruesome” to be shown…ABSOLUTELY NO PHYSICAL EVIDENCE OF THIS “RECENT KILLING” WAS PROVIDED NONE WHAT SO EVER ….The DNA test which was done 12 Hrs after his death (It is absolutely impossible to get for weeks by the way) was never made available to the public, Then the original Government Statement said that Osama was killed because he had a weapon and was not going to give up, BUT LATER ON we were told that he had NO WEAPON …
    NOW HOW STUPID CAN YOU BE ? …IMAGINE for one second that the Police tells you that they killed a member of your family while he was resisting arrest, and was shooting at the police then they change the story telling you that he had no weapon, they cannot show you the body because it was buried already, then when they show you a photo of the dead body, you realize that it is a fake, and then the police admit they were fake but tells you that the real photo is too “gruesome” to show you, You are told that the DNA match BUT you cannot see it…WHAT WOULD YOU THINK ?
    SO WHY TAKING OUR GOVERNMENT STATEMENTS ABOUT OSAMA AS “FACTS” WHAT PROOF DO WE HAVE THAT HE WAS KILLED THIS MONTH ? BESIDE THE SAME MEDIA PROPAGANDA REPEATED OVER AND OVER….OBAMA, LIKE GEORGE W BUSH IS EXPLOITING THE FEAR OF TERRORISM, FOR POLITICAL GAIN…THIS STAGED DEATH BRING THE 9/11 FALSE FLAG ATTACK BACK ON THE MAP AGAIN, AND PROMOTE THE “NATIONAL SECURITY STATE” A MULTI BILLION DOLLAR INDUSTRY WHICH MANIPULATE THE MASSES TO FOLLOW THEIR GOVERNMENT ORDERS AND ACCEPT THEIR WAR MONGERING IN THE MIDDLE EAST. PAKISTAN IS NEXT….THEN IRAN…THERE IS NO END.

    • DaveH

      It’s all about Obama’s election campaigning.

    • skip

      The best example of absolute delusional ever yet seen. Wow – where are you living? Jupiter?

      • DaveH

        Ignoramus.

        • eddie47d

          …and Dave accuses me of name calling. The truth comes out again about you Dave.

          • JeffH

            That’s correct 47Stupid…DaveH has you solidly pegged for what you “be”!

      • Jay

        Skip, presently we are living in obamaland, which is pretty close to living on Jupiter, and yes, you are correct, delusions abound!!! Don’t worry, we’ll fix that when we throw your sugar daddy’s sorry azz to the street!

    • 45caliber

      How and when he died isn’t as important as the fact that he is dead.

  • skip

    RIght on – get leukemia, need a stem cell transplant?! – sell apples on Main street for the cost. Sounds to me like 1848. No army, no airforce, no navy, no highways, no airports, no bridges, no schools, no VA hospitals, no education – try it out Libertarians but don’t ask me for a handout to get you through – let the leukemia rot your guts out, your gums hemorrhage, your tongue swell, your lungs fill with fluid. It’s your responsibility to get better – you should have known this could happen and saved up for it – 50 to 100 years of ordinary income might get you through. You must have deserved the leukemia – didn’t you drink some of that water that was contaminated by fractionating the bedrock to get natural gas. You could have moved, but you didn’t – it is all you fault, you lazy doofus. You should have been more responsible for your health.

    • DaveH

      Duh, Ignoramus, it is your people asking for the handouts.

    • DaveH

      Correction. I was being too generous, because your kind don’t ask, they just take, like the thieves they are.

    • Wayne937

      skip, your using all the same things products your complaining about. Quit your driving, this will save our gasoline; quit heating and heating your home, this will save fuel oil, quit driving on our asphalt roads, because it is made of oil and will pollute the atmosphere. Quit using plastic, which is another oil by product. This list could go on and on over a hundred times, but if your are smart enough, you will know where I am going with this!!!! In my mind, God gave us the mentality to utilize these products for our needs so I would not complain about them and use them at the same time. If you do, this makes you a hypocrit.

      • Wayne937

        skip, I may have misread your post. When I first read it it sounded to me like you were against all the trechnology, oil, coal and other things we have, and enjoy today. I am still not exactly sure I am interperting your post correctly… maybe it is too erly in the morning for me.

        • JeffH

          skippy is just another of the liberal loons who stops by to disrupt the website.

  • http://msn.com Sweetie

    Obummer The Great

    ” Story Teller ”

    and

    ” Pretender “

  • Phil Lake

    Can Obama do anything right? Not unless you pay him under the table. Is Obama a liar? Only if his lips are moving. Is Obama, and 90% of the Fed. Govt., traitors to America -YES THEY ARE. Get the hell out of the middle east and let the b_ _ _ _ _ _ _’s kill themselves off. Trust the government system as it exists today: NEVER

  • Dennis M. Ellis

    Don’t begin reading this one until you’ve got 5 to 10 minutes to REALLY read it and to ponder what’s happening.

    THIS ONE WILL SHOCK AND FRIGHTEN YOU! IGNORANCE IS NOT BLISS. PLEASE READ THIS AND FORWARD IT ON!!

    FROM STEVE KROFT (60 Minutes ONE EVIL HUMAN

    This is very interesting material. Glen Beck has been developing material to show all the ties that Soros has through the nation and world along with his goals. This article is written by Steve Kroft

    from 60 Minutes. It begins to piece together the rise of Obama and his behavior in leading the nation along with many members of Congress (in particular the Democrats, such as the election of Pelosi as the minority leader in Congress).

    Interesting read on George Soros:

    If you have wondered where Obama came from and just how he quickly moved from obscurity to President, or why the media is “selective” in what we are told, here is the man who most probably put him there and is responsible. He (SOROS) controls President Obama’s every move. Think this is absurd? Invest a few minutes and read this. You won’t regret it.

    Who is Obama? Obama is a puppet and here is the explanation of the man or demon that pulls his strings. It’s not by chance that Obama can manipulate the world. I don’t think he knows how to tie his shoe laces. After reading this and Obama’s reluctance to accept help on the oil spill you wonder if the spill is part of the plan to destroy the US?

    “In history, nothing happens by accident. If it happened, you can bet someone planned it.”/ Franklin Delano Roosevelt

    Who Is George Soros? He brought the market down in 2 days. Here is what CBS’ Mr. Steve Kroft’s research has turned up. It’s a bit of a read, and it took 4 months to put it together. “The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.

    “George Soros”
    George Soros is an evil man. He’s anti-God, anti-Christian,anti-family, anti-American, and anti-good.” He killed and robbed his own Jewish people. What we have in Soros, is a multi-billionaire atheist, with skewed moral values, and a sociopath’s lack of conscience. He considers himself to be an elitist World class philosopher, despises the American way, and just loves to do social engineering and change cultures.

    György Schwartz, better known to the world as George Soros, was born August 12, 1930 in Hungary. Soros’ father, Tivadar, was a fervent practitioner of the Esperanto language invented in 1887, and designed to be the first global language, free of any national identity. The Schwartz’s, who were non-practicing Jews, changed the family name to Soros, in order to facilitate assimilation into the Gentile population, as the Nazis spread into Hungary during the 1930s.

    When Hitler’s henchman Adolf Eichmann arrived in Hungary, to oversee the murder of that country’s Jews, George Soros ended up with a man whose job was confiscating property from the Jewish population. Soros went with him on his rounds.

    Soros has repeatedly called 1944 “the best year of his life.” 70% of Mr. Soros’s fellow Jews in Hungary, nearly a half-million human beings, were annihilated in that year, yet he gives no sign that this put any damper on his elation, either at the time or indeed in retrospect” During an interview with “Sixty Minute’s” Steve Kroft, Soros was asked about his “best year.”

    KROFT: My understanding is that you went out with this protector of yours who swore that you were his adopted godson.

    SOROS: Yes. Yes.

    KROFT: Went out, in fact, and helped in the confiscation of property from your fellow Jews, friends and neighbors.

    SOROS: Yes. That’s right. Yes.

    KROFT: I mean, that sounds like an experience that would send lots of people to the psychiatric couch for many, many, years. Was it difficult?

    SOROS: No, not at all. Not at all, I rather enjoyed it.

    KROFT: No feelings of guilt?

    SOROS: No, only feelings of absolute power.

    In his article, Muravchik describes how Soros has admitted to having carried some rather “potent messianic fantasies with me from childhood, which I felt I had to control, otherwise they might get me in trouble.” Be that as it may. After WWII, Soros attended the London School of Economics, where he fell under the thrall of fellow atheist and Hungarian, Karl Popper, one of his professors. Popper was a mentor to Soros until Popper’s death in 1994.

    Two of Popper’s most influential teachings concerned “the open society,” and Fallibilism. Fallibilism is the philosophical doctrine that all claims of knowledge could, in principle, be mistaken.(Then again, I could be wrong about that.)The “open society” basically refers to a “test and evaluate” approach to social engineering. Regarding “open society” Roy Childs writes, “Since the Second World War, most of the Western democracies have followed Popper’s advice
    about piecemeal social engineering and democratic social reform, and it has gotten them into a grand mess.”

    In 1956 Soros moved to New York City, where he worked on Wall Street, and started amassing his fortune. He specialized in hedge funds and currency speculation. Soros is absolutely ruthless, amoral, and clever in his business dealings, and quickly made his fortune. By the 1980s he was well on his way to becoming the global powerhouse that he is today.

    In an article Kyle-Anne Shiver wrote for ” The American Thinker ” she says, “Soros made his first billion in 1992 by shorting the British pound with leveraged billions in financial bets, and became known as the man who broke the Bank of England. He broke it on the backs of hard-working British citizens who immediately saw their homes severely devalued and their life savings cut drastically, almost overnight.”

    In 1994 Soros crowed in ” The New Republic ,” that “the former Soviet Empire is now called the Soros Empire.” The Russia-gate scandal in 1999, which almost collapsed the Russian economy, was labeled by Rep. Jim Leach, then head of the House Banking Committee , to be “one of the greatest social robberies in human history.

    “The “Soros Empire” indeed. In 1997 Soros almost destroyed the economies of Thailand and Malaysia. At the time, Malaysia ‘s Prime Minister, Mahathir Mohammad, called Soros “a villain, and a moron.” Thai activist Weng Tojirakarn said, “We regard George Soros as a kind of Dracula.

    He sucks the blood from the people.”

    The website Greek National Pride reports, “Soros was part of the full court press that dismantled Yugoslavia and caused trouble in Georgia ,Ukraine and Myanmar [Burma]. Calling himself a
    philanthropist, Soros’ role is to tighten the ideological stranglehold of globalization and the New World Order while promoting his own financial gain. He is without conscience; a capitalist who
    functions with absolute amorality.”

    France has upheld an earlier conviction against Soros, for felony insider trading. Soros was fined 2.9 million dollars. Recently, his native Hungary fined Soros 2.2 million dollars for “illegal market manipulation.” Elizabeth Crum writes that the Hungarian economy has been in a state of transition as the country seeks to become more financially stable and westernized.

    Soros deliberately driving down the share price of its largest bank put Hungary’s economy into a wicked tailspin, one from which it is still trying to recover.

    My point here is that Soros is a planetary parasite. His grasp, greed, and gluttony have a global reach. But what about America? Soros told Australia ‘s national newspaper ” The Australian.”
    ” America, as the centre of the globalised financial markets, was sucking up the savings of the world. This is now over. The game is out,” he said, adding that the time has come for “a very serious adjustment” in American’s consumption habits. He implied that he was the one with the power to bring this about.”

    Soros: “World financial crisis was “stimulating” and “in a way, the culmination of my life’s work.”

    Obama has recently promised 10 billion of our tax dollars to Brazil, in order to give them a leg-up in expanding their offshore oil fields. Obama’s largesse towards Brazil came shortly after his political financial backer, George Soros, invested heavily in Brazilian oil (Pet rob ras).

    Tait Trussel writes, “The Pet rob ras loan may be a windfall for Soros and Brazil, but it is a bad deal for the U. S. The American Petroleum Institute estimates that oil exploration in the U S
    could create 160,000 new, well-paying jobs, as well as $1.7 trillion in revenues to federal, state, and local governments, all while fostering greater energy security and independence.”

    A blog you might want to keep an eye on is SorosWatch. com. Their mission: “This blog is dedicated to all who have suffered due to the ruthless financial pursuits of George Soros. Your stories are many and varied, but the theme is the same: the destructive power of greed without conscience. We pledge to tirelessly watch Soros wherever he goes and to print the truth in the hope that he will one day be made to stop preying upon the world’s poor, that justice will be served.”

    Back to America. Soros has been actively working to destroy America from the inside out for some years now. People have been warning us. Two years ago, news sources reported that “Soros [is] an extremist who wants open borders, a one-world foreign policy, legalized drugs,
    uthanasia, and on and on. This is off-the-chart dangerous.” In 1997 Rachel Ehrenfeld wrote, “Soros uses his philanthropy to change or more accurately deconstruct the moral values and attitudes of the Western world, and particularly of the American people. His “open society” is not about freedom; it is about license. His vision rejects the notion of ordered liberty, in favor of a PROGRESSIVE ideology of rights and entitlements.”

    Perhaps the most important of these “whistle blowers” are David Horowitz and Richard Poe. Their book “The Shadow Party” outlines in detail how Soros hijacked the Democratic Party, and now owns it lock, stock, and barrel. Soros has been packing the Democratic Party with
    radicals, and ousting moderate Democrats for years. The Shadow Party became the Shadow Government, which recently became the Obama Administration.

    Discover The Networks. org (another good source) writes, “By his [Soros'] own admission, he helped engineer coups in Slovakia, Croatia, Georgia, and Yugoslavia . When Soros targets a country for “regime change,” he begins by creating a shadow government, a fully formed government-in-exile, ready to assume power when the opportunity arises. The Shadow Party he has built in America greatly resembles those he has created in other countries prior to instigating a coup.”

    November 2008 edition of the German magazine ” Der Spiegel ,” in which Soros gives his opinion on what the next POTUS (President of the U. S. )should do after taking office. “I think we need a large stimulus package.” Soros thought that around 600 billion would be about right.

    Soros also said that “I think Obama presents us a great opportunity to finally deal with global warming and energy dependence. The U. S. needs a cap and trade system with auctioning of licenses for emissions rights.”

    Although Soros doesn’t (yet)own the Republican Party, like he does the Democrats, make no mistake, his tentacles are spread throughout the Republican Party as well. Soros is a partner in the Carlyle Group where he has invested more than 100 million dollars. According to an article by “The Baltimore Chronicle’s” Alice Cherbonnier, the Carlye Group is run by “a veritable who’s who of former Republican leaders,” from CIA man Frank Carlucci, to CIA head and ex-President George Bush, Sr.

    In late 2006, Soros bought about 2 million shares of Halliburton, Dick Cheney’s old stomping grounds. When the Democrats and Republicans held their conventions in 2000, Soros held Shadow Party conventions in the same cities, at the same time. In 2008, Soros donated $5,000,000,000 (that’s Five Billion) to the Democratic National Committee , DNC, to insure Obama’s win and wins for many other Alinsky trained Radical Rules Anti-American Socialist.

    George has been contributing a $ billion plus to the DNC since Clinton came on the scene.

    Soros has dirtied both sides of the aisle, trust me. And if that weren’t bad enough, he has long held connections with the CIA. And I mustn’t forget to mention Soros’ involvement with the MSM
    (Main Stream Media), the entertainment industry (e. g. he owns 2.6 million shares of Time Warner), and the various political advertising organizations he funnels millions to. In short, George Soros controls or influences most of the MSM. Little wonder they ignore the TEA PARTY, Soro’s NEMESIS.

    As Matthew Vadum writes, “The liberal billionaire-turned-philanthropist has been buying up media properties for years in order to drive home his message to the American public that they are too materialistic, too wasteful, too selfish, and too stupid to decide for themselves how to run their own lives.”

    Richard Poe writes, “Soros’ private philanthropy, totaling nearly $5 billion, continues undermining America’s traditional Western values. His giving has provided funding of abortion rights, atheism, drug legalization, sex education, euthanasia, feminism, gun control, globalization, mass immigration, gay marriage and other radical experiments in social engineering.”

    Some of the many NGOs (Non-Government Organizations) that Soros funds with his billions are:

    MoveOn. org, the Apollo Alliance , Media Matters for America, the Tides Foundation, the ACLU, ACORN, PDIA (Project on Death In America ), La Raza, and many more. For a more complete list, with brief descriptions of the NGOs, go to DiscoverTheNetworks. org.

    Poe continues, “Through his global web of Open Society Institutes and Open Society Foundations, Soros has spent 25 years recruiting, training, indoctrinating and installing a network of loyal operatives in 50 countries, placing them in positions of influence and power in media, government, finance and academia.”

    Without Soros’ money, would the Saul Alinsky’s Chicago machine still be rolling? Would SEIU, ACORN, and La Raza still be pursuing their nefarious activities? Would Big Money and lobbyists still be corrupting government? Would our college campuses still be retirement homes for 1960s radicals?

    America stands at the brink of an abyss, and that fact is directly attributable to Soros. Soros has vigorously, cleverly, and insidiously planned the ruination of America and his puppet, Barack
    Obama is leading the way.

    The words of Patrick Henry are apropos: “Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, almighty God! I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death!”

    ————–

    Above information researched by CBS Steve Kroft

  • Dana Hayes

    WE WILL FIND OUT THAT OBAMA IS REALLY THE 12TH IMAM (ANTI-CHRIST), HE IS CONNECTED TO THE AL QUEDA IN SOME WAY. HE IS GOING TO SPEAK TODAY AND INCITE THEM AS HE DID IN 2009. HE IS UNHOLY.HE IS A MARXIST.
    READ “THE ROOTS OF OBAMA’S RAGE”

    DAYNA HAYES

  • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

    The first panacea for a mismanaged nation is inflation of the currency; the second is war. Both bring a temporary prosperity; both bring a permanent ruin. But both are the refuge of political and economic opportunists.
    Ernest Hemingway:

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  • http://yahoo Frank A.

    Whether he wins a second term or not, this man is dangerous and look what he’s done in the first 20 months in office. He still has two more years to direct kaos and pass unamerican bills that separate us all in this country, while secretly his Muslim friends have sneaked in and are planning who knows what in this country. Why do you think he’s sueing Arizona cause he could care less about our southern borders. This man wins a second term, America will change, but not how those who voted him in office thinks it will change. I wonder how many in Michigan are still waiting in line for O’bama money? Remember when that fiasco happend. Yes, he’s smart as the devil himself. As far as the death of Osama in Pakistan, the Muslim extremists are like a ten headed dragon, and all he’s done is add more fuel to their hatred for us, for they have no fear of us. For they have the blessing from their God to destroy all infidels who conform not to their beliefs and way of life. I’ve read the Koran, have you. Their God gives them the permission to cheat, steal, lie and do whatever it takes to sleep with the enemy so they can cut their throats in the middle of the night. It’s like mid-east against the west. It’s time to play cowboys and extreme muslims. Thank God for the second ammendment, for we are the most heavenly armed country in the world.
    What’s that saying, “Together we stand but divided we shall fall,” Well we better get together and soon. If O’bama perceives that he may lose in 2012, the next two years is going to make the last two years a cake walk. Martial Law won’t be to far away. He’s just looking for an excuse to levy it upon the American people. For if he does, then all things stop and he becomes a dictator for he is the only one who can lift Martial Law off this country should he do it. Not the Congress or Senate can do a thing. And the sad part is all voting stops dead in it’s tracks. Martial Law can be a real deterient and tool for him to use across this country. Then the questions comes, what will our military and police do. When they enforce it, or stand up with the people? That, we won’t know until he calls it and he will in time. He’s just looking for the right time and event to take place. Stay cool all and lets ride this guy out of town on a rail in 2012.

  • Eric Bischoff

    Still No Intelligent Life on the Personal Liberty Planet.

    • libertytrain

      are you including yourself – seems only logical to deduct same -

    • Thinking About

      It is the same story with these folks, never let the truth pass their lips and never accept truth in their ears. This shows we are not doing enough in education
      .

  • Wayne937

    If you want to see how your Congress Member is voting, go here and click on the state of you choice: http://www.congress.org/congressorg/issues/votes/?votenum=72&chamber=S&congress=1121

  • David C. Berry

    The sad fact is that, post bin Laden, the tide of hate within the Islamic peoples is growing by leaps and bounds. To them we didn’t execute a terrorist, we murdered a hero. Try putting the shoe on the other foot; what if someone entered America and killed someone we aere protecting on our soil, someone who had helped us in our fight(s)? We would be … pissed off, I suggest.

    The fact is, we would probably, after all this time, and all the failures (known and unknown)be better off not having stirred the pot by killing one old man who no longer had much influence. True, he was a figurehead, but hidden away and mostly forgotten. Those drunken idiots who danced in Time Square for the television cameras may come to rue the day they were pursuaded by the media to run outside for a few photographs. Bin Laden may be dead, but the whirlwind is just starting to turn.

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