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Bad Santa: Obama Has Everything Covered Except Our Future

December 22, 2010 by  

Bad Santa: Obama Has Everything Covered Except Our Future

Christmas has arrived with tax cuts for the rich and more handouts for the unemployed. That is President Barack Obama’s economic plan, and it is not a new one. I’ve been writing about Washington for more than 25 years and the Federal government reminds me of an alcoholic friend who used to say: “Don’t worry; I am going to quit drinking… tomorrow.”

Obama, like so many Presidents before him, pledges he won’t mortgage our children’s future. Yet he and the rest of Washington do exactly that, month after month, year after year. Federal debt could reach $20 trillion in five years. It is hard to know where the breaking point is, but it is out there somewhere and we are headed straight for it.

Fears over the deficit have been going on for a long time. I dug out one of my dad’s newsletters from December 1982 where he declared, “Deficit spending cannot continue indefinitely.” If he were alive today he would be shocked to see the extent to which Federal deficits have climbed.

But just because we haven’t killed our economy off yet doesn’t mean that we won’t. That doesn’t seem to bother Obama, who has been acting like “Bad Santa” on a bender.

Lots of Christmas Cheer for Big Banks
Wall Street’s big banks used government bailouts to post their best two years in investment banking and trading ever. Bloomberg reports heady times for the Big Five — Goldman Sacks, JPMorgan Chase, Bank of America, Citigroup and Morgan Stanley. Together they took in $135 billion from the Treasury Department’s Troubled Asset Relief Program and borrowed billions more from the Federal Reserve’s emergency-lending facilities in late 2008 and early 2009. All that came after the collapse of Lehman Brothers. Since then, the banks have benefited from record low interest rates and the Federal Reserve’s purchases of bonds.

“This is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for most of these banks,” said Charles Geisst, a Wall Street historian and finance professor at Manhattan College in Riverdale, N. Y.

Last year, the Big Five generated $127.8 billion in revenue just for debt and equity underwriting and from trading stocks and bonds. They will post almost that much revenue again this year just for those services. What is incredible is that even after being saved by the Federal government — in other words us — we don’t know how fat their piggy banks have gotten because they don’t have to report all revenue streams.

Such accounting doesn’t seem important to Washington. This would explain Obama’s tax cut deal. It is a massive compromise that extends unemployment benefits to the so-called 99ers for 13 months in exchange for a two-year extension of the Bush tax cuts.

Of course the rich like it. As ABC’s David Kerley on World News pointed out: “Extending all the cuts means that someone making $10 million a year will keep $450,000 of their income that would have gone to Uncle Sam… Keeping taxes at this level over the next 10 years could add nearly $4 trillion to the national debt.”

So what is another few trillion dollars here or there? Not much, says the Left, who continue to cry about the unemployment problem; the one that their President was going to fix.

The new Obama deal passed its first hurdle in the U.S. Senate last week. It should make the unemployed happy as well. After all, last year’s gift certificate benefits are running out, “and at the worst possible time,” declare Democrats. After all, Christmas is here!

I have news for the liberals; I too have been laid off a couple times in my life and I can tell you, neither one came at a “good time.”

It’s A Wonderful Deficit
Some Democrats seem to think that Washington has been tighter with money than Old Man Potter in the face of a bank run. That simply isn’t true. In fact, just a few weeks ago the Federal Reserve pumped an additional $600 billion dollars to buy U.S. Treasuries. That’s money that is not even counted on the government’s official ledger. As for Federal government funds, an astonishing amount has been and is going to continue to be spent; a fact that brings peril to the United States.

Meanwhile Obama has thrown his deficit-reduction commission under the bus after it failed to win political support.

"Yields are up… because we got $1 trillion in deficit spending with no signs of fiscal discipline on the horizon," said Julia Coronado, economist at BNP Paribas in New York. "It feels to global investors like the U.S. is becoming Argentina."

The country is facing the prospects of higher interest rates dictated by bond buyers and not by the Federal Reserve. That would put the U.S. into a much worse recession

And then there is the dollar itself. Last week we learned that the Federal budget deficit rose to more than $150 billion last month, the largest November imbalance ever. The Treasury Department says the November budget deficit was 25 percent higher than the $120 billion deficit in November 2009. That leaves the total Federal deficit approaching $14 trillion.

I hate to give away my age, but I was doing research back when the deficit hit $1 trillion. A lot of people back then didn’t think the U.S. economy could withstand such deficits. They were wrong. However, at some point deficits do matter. The best explanation for why comes from the Dec. 13 Christian Science Monitor:

“Every business person, and anyone who has ever managed a checkbook [sic], knows you can’t survive by borrowing 40 cents of every dollar you spend. Yet this is what our federal government is doing — with no real improvement projected even after the economy recovers.

“Tax cuts, trillion-dollar wars, deep recession, and the spending binge of the past 10 years have boosted our national debt to $13.8 trillion, over 90 percent of our total national output (GDP). This is two and a half times what it was 10 short years ago. Underfunded [sic] Social Security, Medicare and other entitlement benefits add another staggering $50 trillion to what the nation is obligated to borrow. That equates to about $200,000 in debt for every man, woman, and child in our country.

“The country is broke and our lenders are about to run out of patience. As it has already done with Greece and Ireland, the international financial community can at any time begin ‘voting with its feet,’ abandoning our debt for safer investments like commodities, land, or foreign securities. Doing so would cause the dollar to collapse and interest rates to surge. This would trigger renewed recession and a sharp decline in living standards since there is virtually nothing we Americans drive, wear, or work with that doesn’t have substantial foreign labor or material content.”

All of which brings me back to gold. I have had the good fortune to write to you for the past year and a half. As many of you know, I have been suggesting that you buy and hold gold. So far it has been good advice, because when I started writing for Personal Liberty Digest, bullion was trading under $900 per ounce. It is currently at $1,400 per ounce, which puts it close to its recent all-time high.

I have been writing about gold for a long time. I was doing it as a publisher in the 1990s and during that period I was dead wrong. But beginning in October 2000 I started writing Outstanding Investments. At the time gold was trading for $285 per ounce. I was telling subscribers that gold was an excellent buy; that they should accumulate as much of it as they could. Over the decade I have not wavered in that advice.

I bring this up not to brag about my record or tell you how smart I am. Rather I tell you this because I often sign off my columns with a few sentences recommending gold. I have noticed a few reader comments that have mentioned that the reason I endorse gold is because I profit from this advice. One reader a while back even suggested that they had seen me on a Florida station pitching gold coins. The truth is, I am not in the business of buying and selling gold.

Also, it is ludicrous to think I can manipulate the price of gold with my columns even if I wanted to. Consider that the average daily volume of gold cleared at the London Bullion Market Association (LBMA) for October 2010 was 17.1 million ounces worth about $20 billion. This means that an amount equal to the annual world gold mine production is cleared at the LBMA every five days.* Gold is a huge market, where price dictates come from central bankers and world leaders, not newsletter writers.

The only thing that helps me out is if I give sound advice. I have been able to earn a living as an investment writer all these years because I have been right a bit more than I have been wrong. Could I be wrong about gold now? Yes. After all, prices are lofty. That is until you consider the amount of dollars floating around the world.

One thing is certain, there will come a time when gold enters into a deep and prolonged bear market. If I am smart and lucky I will notice the signs. When that happens I will tell you, my readers.

Wishing you a Merry Christmas,

John Myers
Myers’ Energy and Gold Report

 

* This according to the London Bullion Market Association’s clearing turnover statistics released November 12, 2010. http://www.lbma.org.uk/pages/index.cfm?page_id=51&title=clearing_-_most_recent_figures.

John Myers

is editor of Myers’ Energy and Gold Report. The son of C.V. Myers, the original publisher of Oilweek Magazine, John has worked with two of the world’s largest investment publishers, Phillips and Agora. He was the original editor for Outstanding Investments and has more than 20 years experience as an investment writer. John is a graduate of the University of Calgary. He has worked for Prudential Securities in Spokane, Wash., as a registered investment advisor. His office location in Calgary, Alberta, is just minutes away from the headquarters of some of the biggest players in today’s energy markets. This gives him personal access to everyone from oil CEOs to roughnecks, where he learns secrets from oil insiders he passes on to his subscribers. Plus, during his years in Spokane he cultivated a network of relationships with mining insiders in Idaho, Oregon and Washington.

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  • Liberal and Proud

    Give me a break. Bush II brought us the deficits and the crisis and President Obama has saved us from soup lines. Without Obama’s leadership we would be in the depression worse than are grandparents faced in the Dirty Thirties. Myers is just another crack-pot right winger picking on a great President doing everything he can to keep the nation moving foward towards a better, cleaner future.

    Just check the fact on where the deficit was headed under Bush. To the moon, that is where. It was Clinton that brought stability to America and if people would just give Obama a chance he would be a great President for us all.

    But some like Myers can’t do anything but beat the anti-Obama drum beat.

    • tjzbears

      Yah after 2 yearsd of Dumborats control of the Senate and House, Dodd? Barney Fwanks, Piglosi and Dirty harry reid

      • Bob Wire

        We had the Senate ? I don’t think so.

        And it’s not “Obama’s Plan” but what the whole Capital Hill Bunch seems to accept as some compromise.

        And you future is just that ! yours ~ & mine, as it’s always been.

        • DaveH
          • RicSeag

            Nice Post Dave H.

            You’re right, the Republicans have controlled two or more branches of the legislative process most of the years since Reagan took office (9 of the last 15 congresses)! Amazing!! Of course, during that time we have seen multiple record deficits, adventurist foreign wars, a 13-fold increase in the national debt, the loss of our manufacturing base (the real source of our current angst), and the zombie-like rise from the ashes of the Robber Barons of Wall Street!

            Thanks Republicans for giving us all such a great future!

          • RicSeag

            Oh yeah,

            Let’s not forget how the Republicans abused the fillibuster in the 111th congress in a unprecedented manner that ground business to a halt, and made FauxNews quip about a 55-seat majority being relegated to ‘minority status’.

          • JC

            Great. Another guy who thinks the problems are rooted in right/left politics.(?)
            They aren’t. The problems are systemic and entrenched with whatever party is in power.
            The root of ALL our problems is the silent manipulation of virtually everything by the private interests behind the Federal Reserve.
            Get rid of that and you remove the majority of the corruption we live with today.

      • Conservative at Birth

        The Democrats had control of both houses after the 2006 elections. Which makes it 4 years not 2.

        • Bob Wire

          I guess the term “control” is up for interpretation

          holding a majority doesn’t not mean or guarantee control does it?

          It only suggest it to be possible.

          In today’s world of influence peddling, 500 dollars call girls dressed up as lobbyist, RINO’s and wine-o’s, and Lieberman’s, where Cooperate is permitted to spend unlimited amounts of money on elections without so much as a qualifying tag line.

          Where a minority and tell it’s self and profess to the world they are a majority!

          Words like “control” are subject to review.

          • DaveH

            Obtuse as usual.

        • who cares

          While the Democrats play by the rules Not so with the Republicans. While The Democrats are trying give us something back for our buck the Republicans are taken it away. republican give tax break to american companies that move out country? Because Republicans are taking money from this companies. 1.4 million american jobs were created But not in america. I would of used homeland But homeland is a nazi term is only fitting that bush is german. See: bush family nazi connection.

      • http://yahoo.com chas

        Uhhh…AHEM!!…The Blue-Shirted Liberal NAZIZ have been in control of the purse-strings for FOUR years!!( and what a GREAT FOUR YEARS it has BEEN, huh?)….

      • patrick H.T. paine

        “To conquer, first divide.”

        Not in the book or movie, “Patton”.

        Breaking news: No shot fired! Amidst all this mental masturbation,
        a week plus back, the “lone gunman” bemoaned the fact that if only
        he had someone beside him ( sidekick? ) he would fire the first shot.
        He ( as these forums go? ) had a few offers, yet the guns are silent.

        26 CFR 31.3402 (p) Voluntary Withholding Agreements
        see 26 USC 3402 Cornell Law Library, hit CFR link, and read!!!!!

        UCC 1-207 Reservation of Rights

        The Uniform Commercial Code, FEDERAL LAW and also adopted by
        every State and/or Commonwealth in its entirety, with the exception
        of Louisianna ( partial adoption ) requires you to “reserve” any
        rights you THINK you might have, prior to your actually needing
        them. This effectively changed “law (common) and equity” courts,
        see Article 3, to Admiralty and Maritime jurisdictions…..so now,
        you only have those rights that the STATE, says you have despite
        what any constitution or the bill of rights, STATE or FEDERAL, may
        seem to suggest?

        Ever wonder why Article One, section 10 which prohibits states from
        coining Money, or making anyTHING but gold and silver coin a tender
        in payment of debt, has never actually come up in ANY courtroom,
        or made it to an appeals court or the SUPREME COURT?

        How is it possible to PAY any tax or fine, or any other fee imposed
        by the “several states”, without violating the SUPREME LAW of the
        LAND? ( see Article 6, U.S. Constitution )

        This understanding ( all of the above ) are the “nuclear weapons”
        available to every “individual educated citizen”, but this knowledge
        can not be obtained on sites like this, or from Ron Paul, the
        libertarian party, et al. ( no lawyer can help you here because
        every lawyer is required to be a member of the bar to PRACTICE
        and is restrained by “contempt” threats if these issues are raised
        in a court of (law?)!!!!!! (except in Vermont, no bar mem required)
        They don’t teach this in Law School…..gee wonder why.

        Applied “knowledge is power.”

        Unlike those gallant young bucks looking for the next Alamo, ( with
        a sidekick or two and the rather inglorious death that is sure to
        follow), employing “strategies” of this type is low risk, low key
        and individually rewarding. In fact, it can be done with an
        air of questioning innocence.

        With a valid “reservation of rights” in place, one can now rely on
        the Constitution to challenge the “jurisdiction” of any court, (prior
        to entering a plea: one never pleads in any court to any charge since
        this “act” effectively grants the court implicit “jurisdiction” to
        try the matter.) This will force the judge to “unlawfully assume”
        jurisdiction ( which is a criminal act for all involved subject
        to 18 USC 241 and 242 ) or dismiss.

        If it is not “dismissed”, and you are found guilty ( fined ), this
        ends with the rather humorous question: ( promissary note )

        “Gee, I am confused judge, but are YOU ordering me to violate
        the SUPREME LAW of the LAND?” ( all of this, sets up the “appeals
        process” which is the thing most feared by everyone in government,
        since 1939, and while a judge did screw up re: 26 CFR 31.3402 (p)
        precedent in the 9th District Court of Appeals, Article One,
        section is the “holy grail”.)

        and yes Virginia, I did THIS TOO!!!!!

        P.S. Don’t expect publicity, fan fare, applause or anything else,
        because chances are no one but YOU will know you won, and your
        reward will be………exemption from civil fines and/or whatever
        other fee’s, taxes etc. use your imagination. ( warning: not a protection against inflation.)

        The magic words for you are: “Case Dismissed!”

        “The revolution will NOT be televised.”

        Not to be found in the book or movie, “Patton.”

        New books to read: “The Mendacity of Hope.”

        Extremely important:” Ratification, The People Debate the Constitution, 1787-1788″; Pauline Maier

    • robert

      You liberals are all alike, blame someone for your own stupidity.
      At leSt GW never acted like the U S is what wrong with the world. Why don’t you move to Cuba they have shown us how liberals can run a country!!!

      • hflashman

        Actually Robert..and i am not espousing a “Cuban’ form of government here…but given the insane embargo which has kept Castro in power for 40 years…Cuba is doing very good compared to the rest of the Third World. For that society and that island…they are much better off than under Batista.

        And the hateful hype over Elian a few years back was just that…hype. He’s much better off getting an education and such than he would have been living in a Miami slum exposed to constant environemnt of poverty and dealing drugs. Without his Dad as well.

        Again…I am stating that I am not espousing the Cuban form of government. Just stating it seems to be working there and working well given the handicaps with world trade and the embargo. Heck..they even offered to send us aid when Bush II screwed up on Katrina and over a million suffered because of that incompentence.

        • http://www.keysinsurance.com Linda

          Bush did not screw up Katrina. The governor and mayor of New Orleans did that themselves by not calling to a state of emergency. Dumb asses.

          • libertytrain

            I’m with you – these flash types can’t yet accept that their folks failed to do their jobs – like the useless mayor and egotistical governor that couldn’t bring herself to ask the President to intercede. Instead the mayor and the governor waited and waited and then it was too late.

          • hflashman

            Linda:

            “Way to go Brownie” … ’nuff said.

          • Vicki

            Here is the timeline of events
            http://www.brookings.edu/fp/projects/homeland/katrinatimeline.pdf

            Based on that report and having some knowledge of how ICS works, the response based on the size of the disaster looks quite reasonable. What is it HF was blaming Bush for again?

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Your an arse. I was in Gulfport for Katrina relief a couple of days after it happened, and so was our government aid. What was missing, was any kind of mobilization by Ray Nagan and other local politicians, who cause many to die, then pointed the finger at Bush. The relief was there, and it was there quickly, so quit listening to the lying news channels who have a political agenda to push. Like I said, I was there, and I watched it all and helped out. And I saw the government aid everywhere, and quickly. So you sir, are a stinking liar, who cannot forget that Bush is gone, and all this crap coming down now is all the fault of Obama and the liberal democrats who havent a clue what they are doing. Heck man, even his guy in charge of Intelligence doesnt even know when Al Qaeda operatives are captured. Unbelievable incompetance.

      • who cares

        robert, as poor as cuba is Cuba give medical attention to some of the 9-11 first responders i may add with out taking pay. our Dictator (bush) with drew money promise to (the 9-11) them. The deference between Republicans and Democrats Republicas will steal from you while Democrats will steal for you. in other words Republicas will take from you and give to the rich.

    • Richard

      Not a case of one or the other. Obama is no different than Bush and vice-versa. The real control is the control of money. The big banks and central banks are one and the same. Something Myers should know. The Fed pays the US Treasury for printed money, the cost of printing, and loans it at face value plus interest. The Fed buying bonds can’t be on the government’s ledger because they are not a part of the government. They buy the money for nothing from us and buy bonds that pay them face value plus interest from us. This isn’t an American thing, this is an international scheme. Rape one country – move to another. American economy depended on consumers who failed to stop the parasite – free trade. Americans saw the cheap foreign goods and bought them so they could splurge more on entertainment. Jobs go, inflation happens and then it isn’t a matter of doing it to have more to slurge – it becomes necessary which triggers more loss of jobs and inflation. The point came where it would be stupid for an American to create new jobs because it is impossible to compete with child and slave labor of free trade partners. Banking cartel sucks up the last in big hoopla fashion, bonds will default which will put a big hurt on those free trade partners that sucked away the jobs and money and invested them in bonds, and the bankers move from us to them to start the cycle again. Deficit is totally irrelevant as long as the cartel controls the money instead of a government agency. The US Treasury should be the bank – not the private Federal Reserve.

    • Mick

      Liberal and Proud says:

      Give me a break. Bush II brought us the deficits and the crisis and President Obama has saved us from soup lines. Without Obama’s leadership we would be in the depression worse than are grandparents faced in the Dirty Thirties. Myers is just another crack-pot right winger picking on a great President doing everything he can to keep the nation moving foward towards a better, cleaner future.

      Just check the fact on where the deficit was headed under Bush. To the moon, that is where. It was Clinton that brought stability to America and if people would just give Obama a chance he would be a great President for us all.

      But some like Myers can’t do anything but beat the anti-Obama drum beat.
      ********************************** They really ought to tighten the doors in these asylums…………

      • Jon

        Mick, did you check which party had control of the house and senate from 1994-2000 when your demi-god was president? Clinton played his part and did an overall decent job. What improvements did the libs make from 2006 to the present? None. They went on a partisan rampage since Jan. 2009! They are trying to make government the biggest employer in the country- in effect drowning us in bureaucrats who must vote dem to keep their superflous jobs! They tried to give us a NIGHTMARE immigration bill with enough loopholes to drive an aircraft carrier through to buff up their electorate. A healthcare bill that will quadruple the size of the IRS so they can penalize those who won’t follow their plans. Cap and Tax- clean energy fines disguised as credits whose cost will be paid by the consumer while making their dem cronies rich on the commissions from the trade of these credits. Robin Hood tax structure… Learn from the failing socialist countries in Europe, PLEASE!

        • dstk

          Yes, and Clinton pulled us out of the deficit, GW got us in again and now Obama is trying to pull us back from the worst econ. recession, ever, and has pulled us out of the depression we were heading for.

          • http://yahoo l cooper

            You must be kidding! Where have you been the last two years? I don’t believe what you just said. Absolute stupidity. Oh, I had better stop or I will really lose it……………

          • Angel Wannabe

            I Cooper_At’s what I’m Sayin’_ya wonder how long they been under the rock!

          • American Citizen

            Obama just put us 2 trillion dollars further into debt.

          • Angel Wannabe

            AC, I don’t know what more these Liberal sheep need to see, that Bambi and his Band of Merry Thieves are intentionally pulling the US under!_How can anyone be so d*mned blind?

          • Zeromonet

            Have the liberals (and I use that term loosely) not noticed the spending spree that congress has been on since 2007? Have they not noticed that Hillary has been on a begging for money spree to the Chinese several times? Have they not noticed the debt that was imminent after 2 years of Obama? Do they not notice that we owe 2 trillion just for 2010? Do they understand that NO ONE can spend $$$$$$$$$$$$ theirselves out of debt???????
            Y?……because this is a fallacy. You cannot, the government cannot, NO ONE can!

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Clinton used smoke and mirrors pal. Hell, I could balance the deficit if I destroyed and cut the military in half, and totally obliterated our intelligence agencies like Clinton did, directly causing 9-11 to happen. The guy was a leper, both morally and leadership wise. He allowed the enemy to blow up the basement of the World Trade Centers, and did nothing. He allowed them to blow up the USS Cole, and did nothing. He allowed them to drag our dead through the streets of Somalia, naked and beating their dead bodies on TV, and did nothing. He sold our jobs to Mexico, and gave our technology to China. And he did not balance the budget. He also raped social security, and used that money to show to the good. As time passes, more and more damage he did will keep coming out. He was the worst president to ever defile the office of President, and was impeached and refused to leave. You can choose to honor and follow a guy that did all these damnable things to this country I love, but Im not going to give him the time of day, as I fully recognize him for what he was, a loser that has caused us problems we are still dealing with today and will for much, much longer. Your view of the truth is perverted, as was this same Mr. Clinton.

      • Joey

        Good God almighty. I never thought anyone could be so stupid as to believe this crap. I was never a fan o Bush, but I would damn sure prefer to have Bush back as president then this jerk we now have (obama). Oh, and Who Cares, it figures that the likes of you would brink in the race card. Of cause a “man of color” is smarter the some white’s, but then again, there are a hell of a lot of Caucasians (that means white people) that are considerably smarter then that guy of “color” now residing in the “White House”. You mistaken if you reall believe that your lord and master obama is smarter the bush. Both are idiots, like you.

    • hflashman

      Aside from his pitch for gold, Myers said…well….he pointed out the one criticism about the Obama economic acheivements which is present. The failure to get the Big Box Banks to lend and open credit. And why would the banks listen to the needs of the nation? We deregulated them, insured bad debt, allowed them to place at risk the monies of their depsitors and this nation. After they raped us for profits, privatized profit and socilaized their risk, we then bailed them out with the gift of free money from TARP and had no strings attached to the bailout monies(Bush II program)

      Obama has had the GOP saying ‘no” to every aspect of the economic recovery stimulus, has been fought tooth and nail by the bought and paid for cronies of Wall Street (aka GOP) and has been hamstrung in dealing with the monied powers who speak through the graft ridden voiceboxes of GOP leadership and FOX McNews.

      Now, two years after staring into the abyss of a Depression, a GOP brought Depression…faced with an economic crisis uknown to any administration in modern times…he battled it head on. Yes, we drove deficits sky high. What choice was there? Seriously…any other economic policy we would be in the depths of economic ruin. What choice was there? Only an idiot would have espoused Hooverism. Only a fool, an idiot, or a supporter of the wealthy elite ruling us would deny there was another way out.

      Now, as the economic numbers are showing we are coming out of this recessio with a bang, taking two years to battle out of the BushII/GOP economic morass, there’s criticism of the deficits since that is the vestige of the battle to save our economic well being.

      Everyone knows that battling the deficits is next up now that we’ve righted the ship. Everyone knows. It was the theme on the campaign trail of 2008. It was a cause what brought us to this point. So…astutely, the GOP hammers on the obvious and lays claim to indignation that it hasn’t been addressed as yet.

      The GOP and the wacked Right are once again playing the public as fools. Depending upon the limited intelligence and memories of their robotic followers to forget the past and ignore the reality.

      Stand up and be counted. Are you what the GOP relies on?

      • D Engineer

        You are so wrong about the depression and who caused what. Go back and study who was in charge of Congress that Clinton got the credit for and what he did in 1999 with the fair housing act. Then look at all the objectors to it and take record of who opposed fixing it and you will find Pelosi, Reid, and Obama’s names on top of the list. Then open your eyes and look around you at all the housing problems – people signed up to pay for $400K homes making $40K per year – no possible way they could pay forthose homes but the fair housing act put them in those homes. In a matter of time they defaulted and crashed our economy. Bush and McCain tried to get Pelosi and Reid to make bank reform legeslation a priority – they refused, and we are where we are – still with a Democratic Congress that Bush had and Obama enjoyed so far- still loosing jobs and making more business stiffling laws.

        • Bruce D.

          I agree with you. The left fails to take any responsibility for the housing crash. There is enough blame to go around but Barney Frank and Criss Dodd were the worst offenders.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            And dont forget the top ranking democrats Franklin Raines and Jamie Gorelick who were running this thing for them. They should all be in jail, and made to pay back the million dollar bonuses they were writing to their friends with part of this money. And Frank protected them from an inquiry Bush called for. They should all be in jail.

        • JC

          D Eng. Don’t pay too mch attention to Flash. He’s proven over and over that he’s nothing but convluted hot air who sees himself as some sort of intellectual.

          • hflashman

            JC…I take it you’ve produced opinions which have substance? LOL … I doubt you’ve had an original thought since first grade when you realized you didn’t have to pee on your hands…and that since then you’ve ignored even that original thought …

          • JC

            Toilet level thinking….typical.
            At least you are consistently…juvenile.

        • hflashman

          I know…the big bad gvernment put a gun to the heads of the banks and said ‘make this loan’. That is so much BS it isn’t worthy of further comment. The issue was the deregulation of the banking industry. The repeal of Glass-Steagal and the subsequent decrease of regulators (by BushII0 which allowed abuses as well as having a market using ‘mark to model’ for their books instead of the usual and safer ‘mark to market’ valuations. If you’re lost at this point..that highlights how little you actually know what unlerlaid the collapse of housing.

          What insanity was forced on the banks to issue loan known in the industry as “Ninja” loans? The government forced banks to take borrowers without showing a job, income, or assets? Seriously?

          It was allowed because the SEC regulatory staff was raped dow t barebones, BushII Treasury and political appointments were graft riddled and corrupt, and you’re swallowing whole the story it was the fault of the government ‘forcing’ banks to make those loans.

          Criminey. When you take the time to learn what occurred….maybe then you can talk about it and be taken seriously. your first read should be “Liar’s poker’ by Michael Lewis who details how the deribvvative market was created…and hw the SEC had no clue because there wasn’t enough staffing or talent available to monitor it…because they were all laid off or bought.

          BTW..Lewis was the man who was one fo three who created the morgage derivative market…so it’s not a “liberal” book.

          • independant thinker

            as Bill the Cat would say

            Thibbbbbbbbbbbttth

          • Teresa

            EVERYONE SHOULD LIGHTEN UP ON PRESIDENT OBAMA. WHY,
            JUST 5 WEEKS AGO HE GOT JOBS FOR 63 REPUBLICANS !!!!!
            This historically dyed in the wool Democrat Lefty and former supporter of Obama has really opened Pandora’s box.

            Obama is victim of Bush’s failed promises
            Greener Pastures Column

            Barack Obama is setting a record-setting number of records during his first year in office.
            Largest budget ever. Largest deficit ever. Largest number of broken promises ever. Most self-serving speeches ever. Largest number of agenda-setting failures ever. Fastest dive in popularity ever.
            Wow! Talk about change.
            Just one year ago, fresh from his inauguration celebrations, President Obama was flying high. After one of the nation’s most inspiring political campaigns, the election of America ‘s first black president had captured the hopes and dreams of millions. To his devout followers, it was inconceivable that a year later his administration would be gripped in self-imposed crisis.
            Of course, they don’t see it as self-imposed. It’s all George Bush’s fault.
            George Bush, who doesn’t have a vote in congress and who no longer occupies the White House, is to blame for it all.
            He broke Obama’s promise to put all bills on the White House web site for five days before signing them.
            He broke Obama’s promise to have the congressional health care negotiations broadcast live on C-SPAN.
            He broke Obama’s promise to end earmarks.
            He broke Obama’s promise to keep unemployment from rising above 8 percent.
            He broke Obama’s promise to close the detention center at Guantanamo in the first year.
            He broke Obama’s promise to make peace with direct, no precondition talks with America ‘s most hate-filled enemies during his first year in office, ushering in a new era of global cooperation.
            He broke Obama’s promise to end the hiring of former lobbyists into high White House jobs.
            He broke Obama’s promise to end no-compete contracts with the government.
            He broke Obama’s promise to disclose the names of all attendees at closed White House meetings.
            He broke Obama’s promise for a new era of bipartisan cooperation in all matters.
            He broke Obama’s promise to have chosen a home church to attend Sunday services with his family by Easter of last year.
            Yes, it’s all George Bush’s fault. President Obama is nothing more than a puppet in the never-ending failed Bush administration.
            If only George Bush wasn’t still in charge, all of President Obama’s problems would be solved. His promises would have been kept, the economy would be back on track, Iran would have stopped its work on developing a nuclear bomb and would be negotiating a peace treaty with Israel . North Korea would have ended its tyrannical regime, and integrity would have been restored to the federal government.
            Oh, and did I mention what it would be like if the Democrats, under the leadership of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, didn’t have the heavy yoke of George Bush around their necks? There would be no ear marks, no closed-door drafting of bills, no increase in deficit spending, no special-interest influence (unions), no vote buying (Nebraska, Louisiana).
            If only George Bush wasn’t still in charge, we’d have real change by now.
            All the broken promises, all the failed legislation and delay (health care reform, immigration reform) is not President Obama’s fault or the fault of the Democrat-controlled Congress. It’s all George Bush’s fault.
            Take for example the decision of Eric Holder, the president’s attorney general, to hold terrorists’ trials in New York City . Or his decision to try the Christmas Day underpants bomber as a civilian.
            Two disastrous decisions.
            Certainly those were bad judgments based on poor advice from George Bush.
            Need more proof.
            You might recall that when Scott Brown won the election to the U.S. Senate from Massachusetts , capturing “the Ted Kennedy seat”, President Obama said that Brown’s victory was the result of the same voter anger that propelled Obama into office in 2008. People were still angry about George Bush and the policies of the past 10 years. And they wanted change.
            Yes, according to the president, the voter rebellion in Massachusetts was George Bush’s fault.
            Therefore, in retaliation, they elected a Republican to the Ted Kennedy seat, ending a half-century of domination by Democrats. It is all George Bush’s fault.
            Will the failed administration of George Bush ever end, and the time for hope and change ever arrive?
            Will President Obama ever accept responsibility for something… – anything?

          • hflashman

            Teresa…nice cut and paste. Want to tell everyone what wacked blog you found that list on? LOL …

          • Teresa

            Chuck Green is a veteran Colorado journalist and former editor-in-chief of The Denver Post

          • kate8

            Teresa – Thanks for sharing that great article.

            The libs will never face the truth. They must always have a target of blame for their own failures. As I said, victimhood is the entire justification for their pathetic existence.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Teresa, At’s b’out the only thing I’ll give Bambis credit for is that
            “JUST 5 WEEKS AGO HE GOT JOBS FOR 63 REPUBLICANS !!!!!”

          • Vicki

            Great article Teresa. Don’t worry about HFlashman. He probably isn’t aware that Obama made any promises for George to keep him from honoring.

          • Palin12

            hey flashman
            thanks for giving me the idea to copy and paste this wonderful article myself! That’s quite a list of stuff to blame on Bush, LOL

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Hey, dumbo, you really need to get educated into this bank think, if your going to spew your false statements around, and show us all how ignorant of the facts you are. Clinton set this up, using Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac funds, and had Jamie Gorelick and Franklin Raines run it, and had Barney Frank as the head of the oversight committee, to you know, keep an eye on things and make sure they didnt get caught fleecing this thing. They are dirty, every stinking one of them, and should be in jail. Bush had absolutely nothing to do with it, other than to call for an investigation, which was shot down by, none other than Barney Frank, who had the power as the head of the oversight committee, to shoot down such an investigation. And being that the democrats werent quite done raping this thing, he shot it down, saying none was needed. So you need to check your agenda at the door, and look into the truth, and find out about all these dirty little democrats. Because it was them, and it was all them, and no one else.

          • Vicki

            And for HFlashman here is another free clue about Beberoni’s assertions with respect to B.Frank. Not only evidence but evidence spoken by the actual person (B. Frank).
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4A0RuXhnQA

            It even contains evidence that the “evil” Republicans were actually trying to protect the economy of the nation.
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4A0RuXhnQA

          • Vicki

            And for HFlashman here is another free clue about Beberoni’s assertions with respect to B.Frank. Not only evidence but evidence spoken by the actual person (B. Frank).
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4A0RuXhnQA

            It even contains evidence that the “evil” Republicans were actually trying to protect the economy of the nation.

        • dstk

          that was the creed of the rich and powerful, all the way down to the real-estate agent!
          By that logic then it is all due the congress he has to work with…

      • Conservative at Birth

        And you are not a robotic idiot?

        • hflashman

          Conservatve…nope. I’m not. And that is one more than you can truthfully state.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Of course your not a conservative. Obviously. Or you would probably know how to spell it.

      • (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

        Hey hflushman, here’s a “Pitch” for you and all your Progressive Commies Democraps, Be polite and (offensive words removed) yourselves in Cuba.

    • D Engineer

      Let’s get the record straight – Ronald Ragan with a Republican Congress fixed the mess that Carter made of our country. Bill Clinton enjoyed the benefit of the republican led Congress but made a bad decision by signing the Fair Housing Act in 1999 that allowed people to buy houses based upon whether or not they were breathing. Then Bush defended our nation and went to pay back a personal family debt to Iraq that should have been left alone. Osama Bin Laden is the enemy as well as all Al Queda and radical Islam. Bush had us in bad shape but it wasn’t totally his fault since he tried to get a Democrat led Congress to repeal the Fair Housing Act but they would never address bank reform because they were profiting too much off of the real estate deals. Pelosi and reid would not do nothing even when pressed by, you guessed it, John McCain. This led to his presidential bid to try to help this bad for our country legislation. People would not pay their debts is what got us in this trouble and it just grew and grew under the Democratic leadership in Congress. Obama leans whatever way the wind is blowing that benefits him and Soros. All Washington is protecting the rich, and by rich mean those that make over $1M per year because they all fall into that category. The busg tax cuts are good for everyone but go too far when you consider those making over $1M per year. And yes, it was the right pushing for the tax cuts since they think it will help themselves and small business. Help small business and you create jobs. Obama is the worst president ever because he is against small business – Joe Plumber had it right and that is why so many people made an issue of that but for most of American it was beyond their understanding of how our economy works and prospers. Government control and red tape coupled with high taxes kills growth in small business and that is why the health care bill and the spending (stimulus) bill wre so bad for our economy and why jobs continue to be lost. Get rid of Obama, Reid, Pelosi, all the lawyers in Washington (both parties) and elect some patriots and ecnomists and we can fix our country.

      • Conservative at Birth

        Don’t forget the revocation of the Glass-Steagal act which is one of the problems creating default credit swaps.

        • hflashman

          CAB…you forgot to mention the name of the legislation which repealed Glass Steagal and gave us the framework for the banking collapse. Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act. in case you were wondering…those are three GOP members ..Gramm, Leach, and Bliley. Under a GOP controlled Congress. Ahem ..

      • http://OprahtheSCUMARTIST Jean

        One thing that really stuck in my mind was that it all started in California with the fair housing act. The people who could afford those houses were told NOT to pay their monthly payments. Their morgage companies told them that. They said you just wait – you will benefit greatly by NOT making your payments. This was set in motion by the P. this was their plan and they brought us down. I will not bow to the likes of this evil. Wicked is as wicked does. You have all reaped your dirty money – and the great day will come when you will pay for eternity. Laugh all you want – they are already showing fear – because they have to return to the private sector – and the private sector will not tolerate their stench any more than we have in this last election.

        • Bruce D.

          There was a time that good things came out of California. Now many productive people have left the state and move to Texas and other places. The oppression of the left is getting too strong to take anymore. It is likely the democrat states will fall into bankruptcy one after another from mismanagement and social welfare.

          • Dan az

            Bruce D
            your right they are now throwing out what was left of there business to become a socialist state that will expect all of us to pay for.
            Cash-strapped California adopted by administrative vote the first large-scale cap-and-trade measure, in a move last week that is likely to damage the state’s already struggling economy.

            The decision came with a 9-1 vote of the California Air Resources Board that adopted rules scheduled to take effect in 2012, requiring power plants, refineries and other industrial facilities that emit their carbon dioxide emissions or obtain pollution allowances from the state or from other emitters with carbon-dioxide emission allowances.

            The measure was passed under California’s Global Warming Solutions Act that requires the state to cut greenhouse emissions to 1990 levels by 2020

          • Bruce D.

            Dan, California could be considered the prototype of how to do everything wrong. Without a federal government bailout they will not make it. Even then they probably still won’t make.

          • JeffH

            Bruce D., having lived here my whole life I can attest that the housing bubble first started in Silocon Valley and then spread across the nation.

            Continuing to re-elect Boxer, Pelosi and “Moonbeam” Brown to a third term as governor only seals the dreaded fate of this once GREAT STATE and national model of prosperity. Liberalism at its finest.
            I’m planning my exit.

          • http://www.keysinsurance.com Linda

            Give California to the Mexicans.

          • kate8

            Linda – “Give California to the Mexicans”.

            They already did. And the Chinese, multiple Muslim sects…and anyone else seeking a socialist utopia.

            Thanks to the solidly anti-American voter base, it looks like we’ll be the first state to go completely under. But the rest of you just wait – as soon as the welfare checks dry up they’ll all be looking for greener government pastures.

            Lock your gates!

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Liberalism has totally devastated the State of California. Just wiped it out. Bankrupt, in debt, english is the second and third language, and people like Pelosi and Boxer and Feinstein were major contributors in its demise. When youve got millions of illegals running around, just totally devastating your state, and so called leaders like Pelosi make statements like “Weve got to do more to help these people”, show the level of imcompetance. So how in the heck and why in the heck, do people in California keep re-electing these people? Is it too late? Have the inmates taken over the asylum?

          • JC

            Linda, The loading docks in LA Harbor are Arab owned. Probably the Bin Laden’s but I don’t know for sure.

        • who cares

          jean, you’r so full of SH#*. First you need stop watching Fox OPINION News then go to youtube or wikipedia look for video regarding anything. Have you hear Fox reported 1.4 million new American jobs were created problem not in for or in America. go ahead blame the Democrats.

      • http://opacomments...... Pat McIntyre

        First of All ……this thing called Liberty Digest is total TRASH.
        Its readership is TRASH. Look at yourself and listen to yourself…..ignorant MORONS just like the editor.
        Worse then FAUX NEWS and they are pure TRASH with Hannity, Beck, O’Reiley etc…..about the same Monster as Rush Limbough….Mr Druggy.
        Reading your comments shows how stupid you ALL are….little education; followers; draft dodgers; pure White/Southern Trash.
        Bush was and is the Worst President EVER with trash like Cheney and Rove………killed 5000 American men and women for Nothing…..lying about WMD.
        Now you have drunks like Boehner and liars like McConnell…..with the party of NO who are trying to destroy America.
        Get a LIFE…..U morons…………Liberty News is Trash!!!!!

        • Jon

          The only real trash here appears to be you. Flash at least tries to make sense of things according to his beliefs. I can appreciate that even though I disagree with much (tho not all) of what he is saying. You are simply a low-life internet troll with nothing productive to do with your time but hate. Keep on keeping it real and enjoy your welfare, union job, or tenure.

          • libertytrain

            Ah, One man’s trash is another man’s treasure —

        • Larry

          Good luck to you, a tad delusional this morning? Did they hide your food stamps under your work boots?

          • libertytrain

            Good point – I’m sure this person wouldn’t ever look there.

        • JeffH

          This guy must work for Obama’s FCC czar, speaking of trash.

        • Teresa

          Green must be your color right…

        • Robin from Arcadia, IN

          Pat… Who is holding a gun to your head to make you read and post here? No matter how many times you refer to those of us who like this website as stupid low-life, or whatever put down you used, I will not stop
          reading and posting because of your comments. I was a Democrat for many years. Then I grew up and realized that my parents must have been nuts to raise me in a Democratic household. I cannot identify with the Democratic party at all, and I’ll bet they are rolling in their graves as I write this! Why are liberals so afraid of the truth? I wish I could say that the GOP has it totally together and is the perfect party. I am not that naive. I hope you move on to a site that will make you feel more comfortable. Leave the rest of us who enjoy the unity of communicating on this site alone!

          • Angel Wannabe

            Robin, Divide and Disrupt, that’s all the Progressives know how to do!

        • http://www.keysinsurance.com Linda

          Then WTF are you doing reading it and responding to it. Go away.

        • Palin12

          Pat McIntyre if you hate Liberty Digest so much go away and don’t come back. Just go away! We don’t need brainwashed fools like you.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Pat, Pat, Pat. Just because you reject the truth, doesnt mean the rest of us have to. You go ahead and let ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN and MSNBC tell you lies if that is what you need to get through these evil liberal times. But for the majority of us, Fox News, which, oh by the way Pat, is the top rated News out there. Gee Pat, I wonder why? And this Liberty Digest is great. I have disagreed and been lambasted for my views, even by those whom I usually aline with, but hey, thats America and thats what makes us great. Its called having a dialog with people. You know, actually talking about things. So just because you dont like the truth Pat, doesnt mean the rest of us dont have to feel that way. Its really pretty simple Pat. Stop reading this and posting here, and stop watching Fox News if the truth upsets you that much. Its pretty easy and simple.

        • JC

          More evidence of the contempt Liberals have for all of us. More evidence of their arrogance combined with an inflated ego that add up to complete ignorance.

      • Bob Wire

        Let’s get this straight, Carter didn’t break anything,

        he was handed a mess created in part by JFK and L.B.Johnson, Nixon got us out of the mess as best he could and pasted cleanup on to Carter. Carter got little help or support along the bipartisan line and was made ineffective,

        Reagan was the man of the hour for the wealthy and military complex and anyone in the position to enjoy Government spending, much like the LBJ crowd. Not to mention the long term effects of deregulation where enterprises such as ENRON or AT&T and predatory lending might come into existence and fleece the American people.

        Carter didn’t fix anything and Reagan broke about as much as he fixed and is largely responsible for the choke hold special interest has on government and elected officials today.

        So there! attempt to see through the bias.

        We,~ all American’s pay for the wealthy and powerful “excesses” today as we did in the run up to 29. They are smart that way, it all about “gains” and who “pays for these gains. ~~ WE DO! ~ When you lose a dollar, it’s lost forever and one dollar you will never have. The transfer has been made and you’ll never make it up, as the system in place today, a dollar only moves “one way” ~ up!

        The Carter years, had no excesses other then partisan politics like we see today that venomously attack every democratic president that’s been elected in my lifetime with the exception of Lyndon. They both liked or feared Lyndon, and for all good reasons. He was making them rich and he could hand their their head.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          So Reagan only helped the rich? Im going to prove you a liar, with facts. My wife and I got our tax bill one year, and oops, for the first time we owed, and it was like 868.00. That hurt, being that I was making like 9.00 hour and she was making 7.00. The next year, Reagan signed into law, a tax break that stop punishing married people who both work. Gee, lo and behold. The next year, We got a little over 2300.00 back. And we had paid less tax throughout the year. Yeah that Reagan, only helping the rich. Get a life, your wrong, and I nailed you in your lie, but of course, it was only with facts. I mean, whats the truth to a liberal. You just discard it with the garbage, right?

      • hflashman

        Didn’t get past thrd grade even on the fourth try eh? What a crock of BS.

        • hflashman

          hat was in reply to Engineer. We all know Conservative at Birth is a few fries hort of a Big Mac deal and not worthy of reading much less commenting.

          • libertytrain

            In your opinion – however, he at least managed to learn how to spell.

          • hflashman

            Liberty…yeah, I don’t proof my writing and when I skip a key…all I can say is …oops.

          • Palin12

            hector flashman, 3 spelling errors in 3 sentences….and you belittle other’s education?

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            huked on fonics didt wurk fur me.

          • libertytrain

            Yes, Palin – he obviously grants himself permission for typos but doesn’t allow anyone else the same courtesy.

      • http://dell jake

        the only thing yhr gop does is give to the rich and the hell with the rest the day after the election gas went up 20 cents and it when up over 35 cents so the big oil companies can get there mony back

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        It wasnt so much people not paying their debts, it was that Clinton set this up, so that in his words, “Everyone could live the American dream of owning a house”. Thats fine and dandy, but with that, comes just a little common sense. Like as a lending institution, you dont lend 200 thousand dollars for a house, to a guy making 5.50 an hour. There is no way he can possible pay it back. But Clinton said do it, and the federal government will back the loans. So the banks were guaranteed their money, and they followed Clintons dream and lent it to everyone that wanted it, and they all fully knew most of them didnt have a snow balls chance in hell of paying it back. Yes, thank Bill Clinton and the democrats for this. More of their failed social networking.

        • (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

          [offensive post removed]

        • BobbyB

          UM,
          I believe it was GWB that coined the phrase “Ownership Society” He claimed one bog problem was too few Americans owned their homes. Hence, banks like Country Wide, Wamu etc started lending to ANYONE to buy a house so the mortgages could be bundled into CDOs. In 1 county in CA 83% of home loans we bogus. Many blame the CRA but only 23% of default mortgages fell under CRA.

          As soon as I hear Franklin Raines and CRA brought up, I know I’m reading a post by a Ditto Head. Amazing~

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Then you sir, distort the facts. Billy Clinton set this up, using Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac funds. And it was run by Jamie Gorelick and Franklin Raines. And it was overseen by Barney Frank. And Bush did call for an investigation of this. And Barney Frank, who was the head of the oversight committee did quash the investigation, saying he was in charge of overseeing this, and all was just peachy. And these are all the facts of history, and if you deny it, they you sir, are a pathetic liar, just like your hero Bill “I did not have sexual relations with that woman” Clinton.

    • Abe

      The world does not become dark if the cat closes it’s eyes. You can go on being selectively blind to all the deficits that Obama runs up and say he is doing everything he can. That is exactly correct. He is in fact doing his best – and his best is not enough.

      His weak foreign policy has left him redfaced so to speak and Iran goes on with Impunity. He has extended the Bush-era tax cuts. The budget deficit is at an all time high. Unemploymtnet still is above 9% – pray what has he done except spend money like Monopoly Money – taxpayer money.

      The people have already given Obama a chance, he has been elected as the president, and if he cannot do something with that chance – the people will not give him another.

    • Concerned American

      Don’t worry, Obama’s turn isn’t over yet. If you think things are bad now, just wait 2 years. In 2 years, you might not even be able to post on this blog without approval of the government. Come to think of it, this blog wouldn’t even exist.

      I just have to ask though. Why do you support Obama’s neo-con warmongering? Liberals screamed at Bush for the Patriot Act, the Iraq war, etc. Where is all the outrage now since we are still in Iraq and Afghanistan, Obama is killing innocents in Pakistan via drone attacks, and Obama is EXPANDING the Patriot Act, feeling us up more at airports, etc.? I mean are only democrats allowed to war monger? Are only democrats allowed to bath in blood of our troops and laugh gleefully? Are only democrats allowed to be neocons? Big Sis Janet of DHS has turned our country into the worst imagined Richard Nixon neocon hell hole police state worse than any 70s hippy could even contemplate…

      For that matter, where are all the hippy protesters now, protesting our illegal wars? I have nothing but infinite respect for the hippies who died at Kent State. I would have respect if hippies spat on our returning troops and stopped engaging in mindless military worship. Afterall, the military will intern us in Fema camps

      • Jeep

        CA, what a hypocrite, stop enjoying the security offered by our military men and women. In fact, we’ll give Al Qqeda your address for the plans they’re making. After all, they’re just innocent victims of a warmongering America. They would never harm an innocent American.

        • JC

          We need to bring our people home from a useless corporate war in a useless foreign desert. You want security? LET EVERY AMERICAN CARRY FIREPOWER. We stay out of foreign countries and let them run their own affairs and we stop feeding our children to corporate interests.
          I don’t feel for one minute that I am more secure because American kids are dying…for nothing…in a useless S***hole somewhere.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Obama will not be held responsible for his actions, or be called to task by the national media, because they are all democrat left wing liberals, and that is a shame that they do not report the truth, and have no interest in the truth. It is a shame that they do not make the uneducated aware of the failures of this administration, so that maybe they might choose to learn a little bit about a candidate before they pull the lever next to his name. Of course, there are always going to the flashmans around, that just dont care, and will fall for everything because they dont stand for anything.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Thats where you are wrong. Our military will not do that. Our military is made of volunteers, young men and women, who volunteered for one reason only, and that is they believe in a free America and they want to keep it that way, even if it means dying trying to do it. No, they will be the ones to free you, not intern you. You have that part all wrong. And the politicians know that also.

    • Tim L.

      It is absolutely amazing how right wing Repubs can’t seem to muster up the slightest bit of fairness. If the president would have stood firm, and not extended the tax breaks for the billionaires, McConnel and the other rich repubs would have blocked unemployment benefits for the people who are already hurting, and every right wing whack job in the country would be screeming that Obama raised taxes in order to redistribute the wealth. And you, John Myers, would be right in there screeming with the rest of the chorus! Remember, the mess we are in was created by the right wing repubs and blue dog dems. You can blame President Obama until Hell freezes over but that doesn’t change the fact: Bush/Cheney, Phil Gram, rich Mitch Mcconnel and a host of other repubs are responsible for the mess we are in!!!

      • Jeep

        Tim, I am curious…Do you consider wealthy people non-American? I mean you really think that “rich people” should be treated differently?

        • hflashman

          Imbelieve the rich should cease being subsidized, welfare for the wealthy ended, and they be subjected to having to pay their fair share for the benefits they’ve received for being here.

          What’s so difficult about that? What’s wrong with that?

          • Robin from Arcadia, IN

            hflashman…
            How are the wealthy subsidized? You don’t believe that people are entitled to keep their earnings? Why?

          • JeffH

            HFlash uses the “commie” talking point of “their fair share”. O wonder where he got that one from?

          • Karolyn

            Robin – The wealthy are subsidized with their tax breaks which allow so many to pay next to nothing.

          • Jeep

            hflashman, I agree completely! Let the rich pay their fair share! Since 1.5% are rich, then they should pay only 1.5% of the total tax bill…right? That’s what you are saying…or, are you using a different definition for “fair”?

          • JC

            “Fair” or “Fair Share” is a concept of children and communists.
            Let those with the ability to achieve enjoy the rewards of that achievement. (without government help) And those who want to sit and whine about not getting their “fair share”, well, they can drop dead.
            We don’t need parasites in the Land of the Free.

            “Socialism is the equal sharing of misery” (Churchill?)

        • Tim L.

          You obviously believe that wealthy people are more american than the poor and middle class. I believe that wealthy people should be treated the same as everyone else. They should not have more representation in congress than than those who have less.

          • Lewis Munn

            Maybe we should start by confiscating ALL the income our Congressmen get above the Poverty Level, and make them be liable in full to every single law they pass, and the multiple ones too. Force them under ObamaCare, with all the facets, for example.

            Make them do their own income taxes each year…no pawning it off on expensive lawyers!

            Make go through the security of the consumer airlines, especially the president and his family, but also Pelosi and her crew. Even make them buy their own tickets!

            We probably should have a sobriety test before any votes are taken, and those who fail cannot vote.

            I will bet if we had sober Congressmen and women voting on things that would impinge directly and immediately on them, things would clear up a lot. AND, we should make them live up to the bills they already passed, and send their kids to their local public schools, too.

            And NO congressman should be allowed a vote on any bill he has not personally read all the way through.

            Let’s bring back government by real citizens, who live under their regulations as regular citizens, not exempted Royalty!

        • who cares

          Jeep, In last quater these Coporation earned in profits Exxon 37.7 Billion, Bank of Amer 4.4 B, GE 10.3 Billion these three coporation paid not one cent in taxes. is it fare that we are now have pay $3000.00 dollars more in taxes????????????????????????????????????????Is it fare that American tax payer should paid for BP oil clean up???????????

      • Bruce D.

        The rich pay most of the taxes now. I think you should pay more taxes Tim L. because of your entitlement mentality of greed and lust for other peoples money.

      • Bruce D.

        Tim L. this was put in a post below but should be under your post also to give you a dose of reality.
        2) The share of the tax burden borne by the top 1 percent now exceeds the share paid by the bottom 95 percent of taxpayers combined. In 2007, the bottom 95 percent paid 39.4 percent of the income tax burden. This is down from the 58 percent of the total income tax burden they paid twenty years ago.

        3) To put this in perspective, the top 1 percent is comprised of just 1.4 million taxpayers and they pay a larger share of the income tax burden now than the bottom 134 million taxpayers combined.

        • hflashman

          So the reality is…the wealth of this Nation is concentrated at the top like never before. And it beagn under Reagan and completed by Bush II. THAT is the reality of those statistics.

        • Tim L.

          Bruce,
          I don’t know where you are getting your statistics from but my guess is that it’s some right wing spin-miester.

          • Bruce D.

            Those are IRS statistics fom the last year they put them out in 2007.

      • Robin from Arcadia, IN

        Tim L..
        Fair Tax. Everybody will pay the same. Do you support it?

        • Claire

          I am a firm believer that people should pay taxes according to their earnings.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        News to ya Tim. Im not rich, and the tax cuts benefit me. My wife isnt rich, and they benefit here. Between the two of us, we make less than 100 grand. These tax cuts help us. Question is Tim, do you work? Do you work for a poor man? I didnt think so.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Let me tell you something Tim. My possible son in law to be, is one of those collecting the unemployment handouts, FOR OVER A YEAR NOW, while he has refused to look for a job, because they are rewarding him with almost 400.00 a week to sit on his butt. And sir, believe me, there are thousands upon thousands like him, that are able bodied to work, but just dont want to. Just like the thousands upon thousands who sponge of us and live on welfare and food stamps. Over 90 percent of them are able minded and able bodied, but they just dont want to work, because they believe the world owes them a living, and they are content to sponge off of society, and it needs to stop. And these tax breaks greatly benefit me sir, and I assure you Im not rich. 50 grand a year. Im lower middle class. It cuts my taxes, and gives me more deductions on my tax returns. Its not just the wealthy like the alphabet networks tell you. Its pretty much all of us. You can go ahead and cheer on tax monsters that want to explode their taxation without representation. To me, its against the constitution for them to do that, and yet you are all for it. I would guess then that means you do not value our constitution sir, so I have to say, shame on you.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Excuse me. Fact check. It was Clinton that sent millions of our jobs to Mexico, and left us in a huge recession. At the two year mark, Bush had us out of it. Obama’s coming cause this current recession, as business held on to their money to pay the democratic tax machine, and everyone knows it. Now its been over two years into Obama, and lets examine his record. Rather than getting the economy rolling good in two years like Bush did, he has escalated unemployment from 4.5 to 10 percent and rising. He has done nothing but point fingers. So blame Bush all you want, you show your lying pathetic agenda.

      • Tim L.

        Excuse me! But, NAFTA was a republican bill that the first Bush wanted to sign into law but he ran out of time. I also blame Clinton for signing that disgusting, job killing piece of legislation, and I blame everyone who supported it, mostly republicans. While we are on the subject, let’s not forget to thank good ole Tricky Dick Nixon for opening up our relationship with China so that american manufacturers could send work out of this country. Republicans have some really great ideas don’t they!

        • UncleOtto

          TIM L – Well said!! A pox on both their houses. The REPUBLICRATS both have been leading us down the road to the New World ODOR. The big sucking sound was heard loud and clear and The Field of Dreams has turned out to the Nightmare we see before us. I voted for Ross Perot and Pat Buchanan. Wake Up America!

          Karl Marx advocated Free Trade, because:

          (a) Whereas Protection builds up the nation-state, Free Trade breaks it down, as a prelude to the creation of a world-state by the Capitalists

          (b) Free Trade breaks down traditional culture, as a prelude to the creation of a world culture

          (c) Free Trade exacerbates class warfare, and through this the Capitalists will lose control of the world-state – they will be defeated by the impoverished classes, with the help of their backers in the higher classes.

          But, generally speaking, the Protective system is conservative, while the Free Trade system works destructively. It breaks up old nationalities and carries antagonism of proletariat and bourgeoisie to the uttermost point. In a word, the Free Trade system hastens the Social Revolution. In this revolutionary sense alone, gentlemen, I am in favor of Free Trade.

          First published in French as a pamphlet at the beginning of February 1848

          Signed: Karl Marx

          So Marx and Engels clearly knew that Free Trade might worsen the lot of the lower classes, but advocated it anyway, as a means to achieving a World State. They were prepared to endorse an evil means, to achieve what they saw as a worthy end.

        • Dave

          Don’t forget that NAFTA was the follow-up to the Canada-US Free Trade Agreement of 1988. The original FTA was definitely a GOP initiative.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Having a relationship with China, is much, much different than giving them top secret technology. Are you kidding me. And Bush wanted to but he ran out of time? Could have, would have, should have. You can speculate all you want, but it didnt happen did it? Nope, Clinton did it. After all the unions gave him their money and their votes, he sold their arses down the river, or should I say across the river. And yet they still vote for these lepers. You can color it anyway you want, but Clinton was still the most damning person to ever be in the White House. He damned America over and over again, and we are still paying, for his lack of paying attention. And gee, remember that big old recession he left us in? Did not Bush roll up his sleeves, and get to work, and within two years had the economy steamrolling? Oh yes he did. So I have to ask, after more than two years, just what is Obama’s excuse, and why does the press give him a free pass, and still let him get away with blaming everyone but his own party? How can this be? Because the truth is ignored by the liberal media. And I know it, you know it, and the American people know it.

    • dhellew2

      Lest you forget to look at the liberal facts, it was the jackass congress that made the rules during the Bush administration, mostly the same one we have now, that is except the ones Bush managed to veto.

      All government expense including salaries is an expense to the economy. Private sector businesses and workers create the economy and government has 100% control over success or failure by how much they take from it.

      Government workers do not contribute to the economy, pay taxes, or contribute to their retirement. You cannot pay taxes with taxes and their pay is tax revenue. Government does not generate income, only expense.

      Only 30% of the population and private sector businesses actually pay taxes. Everyone else lives off those taxes or government debt.

      • Lewis Munn

        Maybe we need to turn things around. The government people need to he paying the high taxes, the government itself needs to pay taxes on all its income, and the private citizens live it up off the taxes paid by the government and its employees!

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          There you go. And everything they pass, they also should be subjected to. Every tax increase, every health care issue, all of it. They should have to live by the things they do. Instead, they have put themselves into a separate entity, and all this bull crap they do doesnt affect them. If it did, they might come away with a different point of view. If the democrats in politics had to pay all the taxes we do, maybe they wouldnt want to keep making more and more social handout agencies. That is what they specialize in, taking my money and giving it to someone who doesnt want to work for it.

    • Jim

      Obummer is the FDR of our times; he is continuing the same lame liberal policies of the old game plan. He just has it packaged better.

      Can you say he is a real Christian and his heart is really for America?

      Sounds like you maybe a Taliban supporter, Jopa?

      • old white guy

        jim, yesterday, today and tomorrow, obama is not a Christian.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          No, he admitted to George Stephanopolous that he is a muslim. And he publicly told the world that we are no longer a Christian nation. But be assured, there will come a time, when he shunned us as a Christian nation, in front of the eyes of God, that he will have to answer for that also. Kindling wood.

    • Larry

      Critique John’s comments if you wish, fortunately I listened in the spring and converted half of my 401-K to Gold and Silver. The continuing political follies confirm in was a move that will only improve!
      There is plenty of blame to go around ……….. economics 101 ……. borrow 40% of what you spend ….. not.

      • Lewis Munn

        I am glad for you that you had securities to convert to Gold and Silver! I’d be glad if the government paid me in gold and silver, rather than a check of constantly decreasing buying power.

        I and many many others cannot afford to put our meagre income into Gold and Silver, so the Obama practical taxation as his spending decreases the value of our dollar cannot be remedied!

        We go broke while he goes to movies via jet plane, and takes his family on separate overseas vacations in fancy resorts! Of course, so as to not offend those who do not believe in equal rights for women!! Sticking up for what we believe in might offend somebody who has millions he can get a piece of.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          And when you buy this silver and gold, the government has it documented, so when that day comes, they know who to go to, to take it from you. They did it in the 30′s, and what makes one so confident they wont do it again?

    • http://sparkysma@earthlink.net Penny R. Freeman

      All I have to say to you liberal and proud is-GROW A BRAIN! Obama has opened our borders and claims we’re safer than ever, but we just had a border patrol agent murdered a few days ago inside our own country by Mexican bandits preying on the cartels and human smugglers. Oduma has doubled the deficit we had in less than two years and he’s reaching for even more. The only people whom he’s truly helped are the union bosses that backed him politically. We-the American people who bailed out GM and Chrysler-didn’t benefit from that and were even lied to about how well they did about paying us back. Who benefited? The UAW. Where did the new jobs Oduma claims he helped create go-Mexico, that’s where after the fact I found out my son’s GM vehicle was produced. Would I have been in favor of him purchasing it had I known that in advance-He** NO! I’m so sick of seeing everything with made in China on it when you go shopping, I refuse to buy anything that has that label unless I absolutely can’t find a substitute. I’ve been needing some shoes for over a year because those cheaply made Chinese pieces of garbage weren’t worth the boxes they came in, but they sure cost a lot more than that. Have I bought any? No! There’s only one American manufacturer that has a store in this area and I have only managed to get there once. Their shoes cost more than tripple what I paid for the Chinese garbage, but hopefully if and when I do manage to get back there and get a pair that fit they will last longer than what I’ve had recently. Gee why would they cost tripple what the Chinese garbage costs? Labor unions! No, I’m not a fan of labor unions. My family has had three run ins with labor unions in my lifetime, and only one of the three was slightly positive. That time my son got a temporary job because the union workers were on strike and he desperately needed work. The other two times resulted in plants closing and people losing their jobs. No Liberal and proud I’m no fan of Oduma. He is doing everything he can in front of the cameras to make things look all nice and rosy while behind the scenes he is doing everything he can to destroy this country! The sooner that piece of sh** is thrown out on his a** the better off this country will be. No, I’m not against him because of his color, I’m against him because of his politics and the people who back him. Look a little deeper and you might actually learn something liberal and proud. I promise you if you do look deeper you won’t like the Obama you find.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        And since you were speaking of cars being made elsewhere, Im tired of these union hacks and others that have no idea, for criticizing me for driving a Honda CRV. Be informed, my Honda, has more parts, made right here in the USA, and the vehicle itself, is made right here in the USA. And almost all of your GM and Ford cars, are full of parts made in Taiwan, China, Korea, Japan and other foreign countries, much more than what is in my Honda. Just in case you liberals really wanted to know the truth. And if you dont believe it, I invite you to check it out.

      • Lewis Munn

        Aren’t you proud of how an unknown with an unknown education has succeeded in running up huge debts for the rest of us in unknown ways?

        Don’t you just know he will accomplish more unknown things in unknown ways? Don’t you know how good that will make you feel, when an unknown government officer lowers his assault rifle made by an unknown overseas manufacturer at your midriff, and tells you he is from the government and is at your door to help you be motivated to pay your new, improved and enlarged, taxes? And also the new UN fees?

    • Paul

      Yeah, and santa claus is bringing me presents for christmas and the tooth fairy will money under my pillow. Bush was not great … agreed … but this guy makes Bush look like a professor or Einstein in comparision. This guy is feeding the banks money … all the guys we said were responsible for the monetary problems.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Bush had his faults, as to all politicians. As do all of us human beings. But this guy in office now, well let me say this. Man do I miss Bush. Yeah, Im just saying……………..

    • traderphil

      Obama has done NOTHING he promised the US citizens, has he? ‘I will “bring our troops home” , he said!!! He ADDED 30,000 troops to Afganistan instead. “I will create jobs”, he said and the country has continued into RECORD unemployment of over 20% and rising!!!! “I will ensure TRANSPARENCY” and he has eliminated citizen rights faster than any “President” in history! “I will balance the budget” and he has SPENT MORE THAN ALL OTHER PRESIDENTS, in total, TO DATE, and in only 2 YEARS at the helm!(over $200,000 debt for every man, woman and child in the USA) He has passed laws governing small business that is a disaster, he has forced a health care system on the masses INSTEAD of getting rid of a “health” system that is BASED ON PHARMACEUTICAL DRUGS!!!! The USA has the most obese,drug addicted, unhealthy people on earth!!!! They even give drugs to BABIES NOW!!!!!! NOW they want to eliminate FREEDOM OF SPEACH!!!! Sounds like we are talking about a country run by dictators, doesn’t it!!! The LATE, GREAT USA!!!! How very sad indeed!! THAT is what happens when BIG PRIVATE BANKS(Federal Reserve) RUN THE MONEY SUPPLY by printing it and CHARGING INTEREST TO THE AMERICAN GOVT(people end up paying it as always)HELLO??????? ANYONE OUT THERE WITH THEIR EYES OPEN??????? Apparently not!!! )

      • Lewis Munn

        Lota of us. But the illegals in government cannot read our English protests.

      • JC

        That’s an accurate observation on all counts. The plain truth.

    • Robert

      Yes: And if they do not get the gas prices down, we are all going to be broke, they are the ones that caused all of the problems in the first place, this would take care of one of our biggest problems, every time we turn around they are raising them, and nobody can see this, this would put a lot of money in our pockets, and people could afford more, this would take shipping prices down, and food prices, and create more cash, I have been around for quite a few years, and seen what was happening when the gas prices were way below .050 cents per gallon,we had more money, and more businesses around! The people in the oil and gas industries are causing this!

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Speaking of gas prices, geez, it seems like the liberal media was just hammering Bush for gas prices. Now they are back up over 3.00 a gallon here, huh, I havent heard a peep out of them concerning this president. Now why is that so? Can you say “AGENDA” boys and girls?

      • Lewis Munn

        A big part of the price is supposed anti-pollution chemicals and additives and engineering costs. Another is cutting off using our own reserves, and having to ship oil in from far overseas, and from Muslim producers, who decide how much they can gouge the Westerners to pay for their fancy housing and hotels and all the decorative women they keep around as toys.

    • DaveH

      Funny that you bring up the Depression, Liberal, where Democrats kept us under more than 10 years of Bad economy. So I guess we have to listen to your bull for 10 more years and even then you still won’t throw in the towel?

      • Lewis Munn

        Based on past experiences here, and in other countries, the towel will be so full or crud and broken promises and ruined lives of especially the poor citizens, it cannot be lifted, let alone thrown!

        So they will start another war, to deflect the Citizens’ ire, and make them yet more money. Get rid of a lot of complaining citizens too!

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        And we are still paying to this day for the ills of FDR and his democrats and what they did.

    • old white guy

      there were no tax cuts for the rich. the same tax rates that have been ieffect for ten years will be in effect for two more years. man, some people are really stupid.

    • http://Illinois'17th William

      Being a liberal I assume that He / she smokes a LOT ofcrack. I believe Bush’s last deficit was in the neighborhood of 160 billion. Little Barry’s first deficit was, I believe, over 1 trillion.
      Bush did not create / cause the 2008 crash caused by the sub-prime market collapse. That debacle got its start under the peanut farmer. Bush tried to rein it in very early in his administration and was absolutely excoriated in the press for being racist. Dodd and Barney never missed a chance to implement the race card whenever the fact was brought up that people who cannot afford a house / mortgage should not have one. Little Barry has done NOTHING to reverse our downward trend, but has worked feverishly to accelerate it.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        And yet, the liberal media allows this wanker to roll out his milk crate, climb up on top of it, and point his finger and blame everyone the democrats can blame, mostly Bush, and they let him get away with it. Shame on all of you at ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN and MSNBC that allow this public lying to go on and on, instead of reporting the truth. Shame on all of you.

        • Lewis Munn

          It is traditional; the bearer of bad news is shot before the news spreads.

          The present government has refined that to a fine art.

          And the fix is in place, whereby the Government can take over all our electronic media and substitute the Party Line for truth in media! Dunno what it is called now, but used to be EANS, where the government can pre-empt all electronic news distribution!

          And substitute when THEY want us to see, hear and believe.

    • http://facebook Baby

      OMG!..You really think that..That’s so sad! I truly feel sorry for you! I wish I knew what it was people like you see in Obama..He has lied to us! He has put us in one of the highest deficits our Nation has ever seen and he is still spending money like it grows on trees!Do you have any Idea how long it is going to take us to recover from this crap?..Do You? I’m sorry Man this blame Bush crap is old like 2 years ago! All spending has been Obama and his sorry ass congress because they could run wild for 2 years!..But thank GOD come the first of the year..That is all going to stop! Obama has saved us from nothing! I’m so happy that now Obamacare has NOT a chance to go any where now! and there will be even more REAL CHANGES (Not Obama Change) coming to! Do you really think The Americans put in so many Rep. For no reason? Obama has tried very hard to break the American People, He and G. Soros, But all they have done is woke up a sleeping gaint! You keep your Obamanation and his change..The rest of us will be making real changes to save our Great Nation Under God’s watch!!..I’ll Pray for you ;-)

    • http://google Big ED kulis

      you are a jackass!!! Did you ever study American or European History????

      You don’t even deserve a recognition on this BLOG

    • EddieW

      Under Obaba, we have been brought downhill as a nation,
      he has apologised repeatedly for our even being! he has run the deficiet into the trillions!!! This country is now bankrupt, and the most corrupt nation in the world…This Nation cannot stand very much longer…it needs be destroyed, and Obaba is doing a great job of that!!

  • JeffH

    Waa, waa,waa! Obama has already helped quadruple the deficit with his stimulus package!

    What’s driving Obama’s unprecedented massive deficits? Spending. Riedl details:

    President Bush expanded the federal budget by a historic $700 billion through 2008. President Obama would add another $1 trillion.
    President Bush began a string of expensive finan­cial bailouts. President Obama is accelerating that course.

    President Bush created a Medicare drug entitle­ment that will cost an estimated $800 billion in its first decade. President Obama has proposed a $634 billion down payment on a new govern­ment health care fund.

    President Bush increased federal education spending 58 percent faster than inflation. Presi­dent Obama would double it.
    President Bush became the first President to spend 3 percent of GDP on federal antipoverty programs. President Obama has already in­creased this spending by 20 percent.

    President Bush tilted the income tax burden more toward upper-income taxpayers. President Obama would continue that trend.

    President Bush presided over a $2.5 trillion increase in the public debt through 2008. Setting aside 2009 (for which Presidents Bush and Obama share responsibility for an additional $2.6 trillion in public debt), President Obama’s budget would add $4.9 trillion in public debt from the beginning of 2010 through 2016.

    Overall, President Obama’s budget would add twice as much debt as President Bush over the same number of years.
    http://blog.heritage.org/2009/03/24/bush-deficit-vs-obama-deficit-in-pictures/

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      But dont you dare ask a liberal to take responsibility for their actions. It is always someone else’s fault. They love nothing more, than to blame Bush for everything, because frankly, they offer no solutions. And when you have no solutions to offer, what do you do? If your a liberal, you blame others. That is right out of the Democrats 101 playbook. And they play it well.

      • Jon

        Check and mate.

        • kate8

          Beberoni – Liberals can’t take responsibility for what they do because that would damage their perpetual role as victims.

          Someone’s victimhood is the (supposed) basis for their whole agenda.

          • Karolyn

            I have never felt myself to be a victim. Why do you paint liberals with such a broad stroke? That’s a ridiculous statement. I have always taken full responsibility for everything that’s gone “wrong” in my life. However, I am not a liberal in every sense of the word, whatever the term means nowadays.

          • DaveH

            Karolyn,
            I define a Liberal as being anybody who advocates Big Government (which was anathema to our Founders). In that sense, there are many Liberal Republicans.

          • kate8

            Karolyn – Wait. I thought you were blaming the rich for the hardships of the poor.

            Maybe a bit of honest soul-searching is in order.

    • Tim L.

      Let us not forget how ignorant Bush was to the condition of the economy throughout his two terms in office. Bush constantly insisted that the economy was “Strong and Resilient.” As early as 2002, many of us out here in the real world knew that the economy was in trouble, But all we heard from Bush was “The economy is strong and resilient.” As a result, he didn’t acknowledge that there was any problem with the economy until he was well in to his last year in office. Were any of you right wingers paying attention back then?

      • Jeep

        You may be right Tim…But, let’s not forget that Oman is “conditioning” the public with incessant chanting of “it’s getting better, really…I’m not kidding…” Meanwhile, unemployment rates are still hovering around 9.5%…I’m just sayin’…are you complaining too?

        • http://none Mike

          Jeep, Its really closer to 10% or more. Remember not all employees were counted on unemployment rolls because of ineligibility.Not only that you have as much as 21% underemployed. People who have lost full time jobs and have been forced to take lower paying as well as part time jobs. No its not getting any better only worse and noone seems to have the answers. I am truely beggining to doubt they ever will. Mike L.

        • JC

          That’s a fact…it’s all propoganda. As if Obama would come out and announce that it’s out of control and there’s nothing he can do about it.

      • old white guy

        tim l. i guess 4.6 percent unemployment was not low enough.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Ok Tim, just the facts here, ok. First of all, when Bush came into office, we were in a huge recession thanks to Clinton. But he didnt stand there pointing fingers like Obama does, saying “Look what Billy did”. No sir, he rolled up his sleeves and went to work. In 2 years, he righted the ship. The economy rolled. In fact sir, under Bush, unemployment reach an all time low, and employment reached an all time high. The stock market reached an all time high. It was a time of prosperity. These are facts. Now, in his last year, maybe year and a half when everyone knew he couldnt run again, and all the world, including the business world, knew there was no way 150 year old John McCain was going to win a presidential election. So now, being a business, and fully knowing the tax raising tax monster democrats were going to come into power, what do you do? Well, you dont keep spending and hiring people, because you know you are going to definitely need some cash reserves to pay these tax monsters, because we all know they raise taxes. That is what they do. Clinton raised taxes more than any president in history, all part of his smoke and mirrors trick showing we had money, while business after business closed. So the economy went down, or at least started to. Then enter Obama. Now lets see the facts again sir, if your interested in them. When Bush left, I believe unemployment was 4.5 to 5.5 percent at the most. Obama has escalated it to double digits, and had the tax cuts not been extended , this might have risen to 14 percent. He has created a large amount of GOVERNMENT JOBS, that we all will get taxed more to pay for them, and you know once created, they expand and expand and cost more and more. He spent more in 8 months than the Bush admin did in 8 years. And he has weakend us in front of our enemies, and degraded this country with his statements. Nations that once respected or feared us, now laugh at us. Terrorist nations are empowered by this admins actions. And here losers like you, still want to play the democrats card of blaming Bush, because you have failed and have no idea of what to do. You liberals are in power now. Roll up your sleeves and get to work. Do something. Quit pointing the fingers and placing blame. Its your time, lets produce something besides pointing fingers. Its just amazing. And there is the national media, not holding a one of them responsible. Absolutely unbelievable.

        • BobbyB

          OMG, This is a parody right??

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            The truth hurts when your on the wrong side of it, and someone points it out to you, doesnt it Bobby?

    • Dan az

      jeffH
      you left out the fact Many Obama defenders in the comments are claiming that the numbers above do not include spending on Iraq and Afghanistan during the Bush years. They most certainly do. While Bush did fund the wars through emergency supplementals (not the regular budget process), that spending did not simply vanish. It is included in the numbers above.

    • Robin from Arcadia, IN

      Jeff H..
      Do you have a point other than it’s ‘Bush’s fault’? Barry is president now. He had two years with a Dem congress to change things. Yeah. He changed things. He lied about everything he was going to do. I am not blaming anyone from the past because they are no longer in charge. Barry is. The time has come to stop with the excuses and fix things.

      • JeffH

        Robin from Arcadia, did you really read the post? Re-read and understand what was posted. The point is that the fiscal irresponsibility of Bush pales in comparison of Obama.

        • old white guy

          jeffh. bullshit

          • old white guy

            jeffh. soory. sort of bullshit.

        • JeffH

          OOPS! What I meant was that compared to Obama, Bush would have to be considered a fiscally responsible POTUS.

    • http://google Big ED kulis

      the liberals don’t care as long as the GVT. keeps supporting them. They don’t have the intelligents to listen to a cable news program. I keep repeating myself that I have a bottle of bourbon to celebrate the demise of this country.

      I am 85yrs. old and fought in ww2 & korea and do you know that my granddaughter came out and said {Grandpa,you dont know what you are talking about!] I’ll live to see this nation crash.

  • JeffH

    After Tripling The Deficit, Obama Says We Can’t Keep Spending Tax Dollars Like Monopoly Money. Watch the liars video. Apparently we’re just supposed to ignore reality and listen to Obama reads off his teleprompter.
    http://gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com/2009/12/unbelievable-barack-obama-says-we-cant-continue-to-spend-as-if-hard-earned-tax-dollars-can-be-treated-like-monopoly-money/

    It takes a special kind of used-car-salesman-like chutzpah to run up huge amounts of debt, tripling your predecessor’s national debt, and then lecture the nation about spending money like monopoly money.

    • Bruce D.

      If there was only one word you could use to describe Obama liar would be at the top of the list. Obama can not be underestimated for his guile and ability to say one thing and do the exactly the opposite. It is amazing how that goes completely unnoticed by the left.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        When I was little, I was told “you go to hell for lying”. A few years back, they changed that to “you know where you go for lying? To the Clinton cabinet”. No, it looks like they are going to have to change it again, to “You know where you go for lying? To the Obama cabinet”

    • DaveH

      It’s called DoubleSpeak, Jeff.

      • JeffH

        Yup!

    • Lewis Munn

      We aqree it ia now past the play money stage.

      We are buying religious money like they do in the far east, with good money. Only we just burn it in ineffective social programs; they burn it in the mistaken belief their ancestors in Hell get it and buy themselves air conditioners!

      Depends on which fallacy you choose to believe; no matter which, the “temple” and the “priests” get the real money and get very rich!

  • JeffH

    Here is another liberal take on the budget deficit.
    Left-wing economist, Nobel laureate and New York Times columnist Paul Krugman hates deficits in tough economic times — when the president of the United States is named George W. Bush.
    Krugman, in a November 2004 interview, criticized the “enormous” Bush deficit. “We have a world-class budget deficit,” he said, “not just as in absolute terms, of course — it’s the biggest budget deficit in the history of the world — but it’s a budget deficit that, as a share of GDP, is right up there.” In October 2004, unemployment was 5.5 percent and continued to slowly decline. At the time, Krugman described the economy as “weak,” with “job creation … essentially nonexistent.”

    Fast-forward to 2010. The numbers: projected deficit for fiscal year 2010 — over $1.5 trillion, more than 10 percent of GDP. And if the Obama administration’s optimistic projections of the economic growth fall short, things will get much worse.

    So what does Krugman say now? We must guard against “deficit hysteria.” In “Fiscal Scare Tactics,” his recent column, Krugman writes: “These days it’s hard to pick up a newspaper or turn on a news program without encountering stern warnings about the federal budget deficit. The deficit threatens economic recovery, we’re told; it puts American economic stability at risk; it will undermine our influence in the world. These claims generally aren’t stated as opinions, as views held by some analysts but disputed by others. Instead, they’re reported as if they were facts, plain and simple.”

    He continues, “And fear-mongering on the deficit may end up doing as much harm as the fear-mongering on weapons of mass destruction.” Krugman believes Bush lied us into the Iraq War. Just as people unreasonably feared Saddam Hussein, they now have an unwarranted fear of today’s deficit.

    Questions: Didn’t Krugman, less than six years ago, call the deficit “enormous”? Wouldn’t he, therefore, consider a $1.5 trillion deficit at 10 percent of GDP mega-normous? Didn’t he describe the economy with 5.5 percent unemployment as “weak”? Isn’t the current economy, at 9.7 percent unemployment, even weaker? If the 2004 deficit was “comparable to the worst we’ve ever seen in this country,” wouldn’t today’s much bigger deficit cause even more heartburn?

    Nope. Now a huge deficit is actually a good thing: “The point is that running big deficits in the face of the worst economic slump since the 1930s is actually the right thing to do. If anything, deficits should be bigger than they are because the government should be doing more than it is to create jobs.” The deficit “should be bigger”?!

    Krugman’s flip-flop on the deficit demonstrates a modern economic equation. Hatred of Bush + love for Obama = intellectual dishonesty.
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2010/02/11/krugman_bushs_deficit_bad_obamas_deficit_good_100258.html

    • Jake Reed

      Great comments JeffH! I loved how you built your arguement. Very well thought out and ALL of it true!

      • who cares

        jake reed, Not all is true. Prescott bush had something to do 1928/30 recession. also Traded with the Enemy. How would it look if his son George H.W. Bush fought the Germans while his father Prescott trade, supported Hitler.

    • TIME

      Jeff & John,

      Kudo’s on a very down to earth as well “TRUTH” filled blogging.
      I can’t wait to see our resident “MoreOFFS” retorts.

      “The mind is like a Parachute, it has to be OPEN to WORK.”

      Merry Christmas to all and to all Have a Safe and Happy New Years.
      May God Bless you all and your familys.

      • S.C.Murf

        Thanks Time and the same to you and your’s

        up the hill
        airborne

    • rosina

      Excellent Jeff.
      personally, I have found that most economists know NOTHING. They spout out platitudes that are meaningless.
      In Krugman’s case, we have a very dangerous man. Only the lefties can agree with him.

    • Abe

      Right said JeffH.

      Krugman is nothing more than a paid print media thug. He will take the liberals’ money and pass off anything they want to as journalism.

      It is not as though he doesnt know – he simply doesnt care as long as his bank account grows.

    • Carlucci

      The only jobs government can create are government jobs. Wake up, dummy.

    • BobbyB

      But didn’t Reagan prove deficits didn’t matter when GWB was spending like a drunken sailor? Just askin~

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      And it is sad, how the liberal media covers up all the ills done by the democrats, instead of reporting the truth and telling the masses what these guys are doing. Some folks dont get out, and they just dont know, as they believe what the national networks tell them. My father who is 85 just cant believe that ABC would lie to him. After working with him for 5 years now, he is finally beginning to see it. Now I am educating him as to all the lies Walter Cronkhite told us, and all the lying evil deeds of FDR. Education is the key, and a lot of people just do not get educated before they pull the lever at the voting booth.

      • Stan Smith

        @ Beberoni- your Quote)And it is sad, how the liberal media covers up all the ills done by the democrats, instead of reporting the truth and telling the masses what these guys are doing. Some folks dont get out, and they just dont know, as they believe what the national networks tell them. My father who is 85 just cant believe that ABC would lie to him. After working with him for 5 years now, he is finally beginning to see it. Now I am educating him as to all the lies Walter Cronkhite told us, and all the lying evil deeds of FDR. Education is the key, and a lot of people just do not get educated before they pull the lever at the voting booth.
        As I said before All Libtard No News Media It’s all Scripted Hollywood style. They are responsible for dumbing people down without giving out real facts and they are responsible for Fixing the elections They always give the Libtard Democrap a pass on everything when it comes to debate! so it is the Libtards that Killed Journalism and killed our education system, when person who graduated HS and goes to college for journalism and you get Left commie wacko professors brain washing todays youth with their Libtard rubbish I noticed lot of Libtards on this board, Parents wasted their money sending their kids to college so the kids can be brainwashed by Libtards!

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          They have hijacked our so called institutions of higher learning. Myself, if I owned a business, I would hire the guy that has actually done it, before I would someone who just read about it for four years. And the social damage they do teaching these kids all their liberal lies is very, very destructive to the future of this country. It will be liberalism and its lack of morals and strength that bring us down. When youve got the mindset that absolutely everything is ok, and there is no wrong and right, this is very destructive.

    • Bob Wire

      opinions in a time line ~ whats seen as swallowing a camel yesterday is gagging on a Nat today.

      I don’t hold much credence in Economist as I know of only one that forecast today’s conditions years ago. A man named Noudini.

      We up to 13.8 trillion and counting and even the “conservatives” seem to think borrowing is preferable to making hard choices.

      Seems many of you can’t see beyond the “liberal/conservative” box. You have been programed.

    • http://none Mike

      Jeff, What shocks me is that only in goverment is defict spending a good thing. If we the people did the same as the goverment we would be bankrupt at best. And if we spent enough this would be called fraud and we would be in jail.

      No according to our grand fedral goverment defict spending is a good thing. This arises from the fact that if they spend too much they can print more or raise taxes. Untill the liberal crowd gets it through their thick skulls that taxes and printing money can only go so far before the wellspring dries up(the taxpayer)And all that printed money becomes as worthless as the paper its printed on.

      In other words borrow and spend is just as bad as tax and spend because we the american people are eventually forworded the bill. Mike L.

      • JeffH

        MikeL, the government created the “unqualified” home loan scheme for the “unqualified” borrower and look what the results are…massive foreclosures and banktuptcy. The Feds and the “world” banksters are laughing all the way to the bank…on taxpayer bailout money!
        Must be nice to have an open ended taxpayer checkbook.

        • http://none Mike

          I wonder when the other shoe is going to drop on that one. With the % of mortages that are now owned by the federal goverment. It could become the largest land grab ever. They could step in and force forclosure on large %’s of these mortages and turn them into new public houseing.Mike L.

          • JeffH

            Mike, point taken…kudos on that!

    • DaveH

      Paul Krugman and John Maynard Keynes (now deceased) are what I would call Political Economists, that is they front for Big Government and make things fit to placate the masses.
      If you want Real Economists look to writings by Ludwig Von Mises, Milton Friedman, Thomas Sowell, etc.

      • JC

        Dave, Keynes himself even said,
        “I work for a government I despise to ends I think evil”

        Must have had a pretty good benefits package ;)

  • Karolyn

    What?? Wasn’t it the right who wanted to expend the tax cuts to the rich??? And now we have John Myers blaming it on the left? I guess the right just spins things however it suits them.

    • ciniowa

      So true Karolyn..the Re- puke- licans will do anything to bring this best President ever down!! Shame on them all!!

      • Angel Wannabe

        cinowa, By the way he acts one would think he’s KING Obama, and thats scary!

        • Karolyn

          Just because he’s a “take charge” man rather than a “tell me what to do” man like Bush?

          • Bob Wire

            Well, it’s been an exciting game! And here at half time, there much to reflect on.

            I think the GOP and their abbreviated filibuster works both ways and then there is administrative veto powers, so it’s still anyone’s fight to win.

            I’m excited to see what these junior congressional members can do. They bring with them no track record, just a head full ideas and hand full of empty fingers. If they’ve got it, whip it out.

            Welcome to the big league.

            Just about every President we’ve seen that comes into power, gets only stronger the longer they are in office. 44 will be no exception and you can take that to the bank.

            The Senate today, is held in the grip of “affluent” and “privileged” while this is a problem at times, it’s not always a “bad” thing.

            I’m enjoying watching McCain dance. I’m so grateful we dodge that bullet! I can’t truly express my joy!

          • Karolyn

            OMG! Can you imagine where we’d be if McCain had won???

          • TIME

            Karolyn, Yes I can guess where we would be if Mac&cheese won, as he is the same as Barry we would be in the same place. OMG!!!!!!!!!

            So wake up and get with the BIG picture. If you can’t get it through your thick skull that there is no differance between DumbO v RepO than you are part of the problems.

          • Bruce D.

            Yes he is a “take charge” socialist. That is why he has everyone worried about the deficit reaching 20 trillion dollars.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Couldn’t have said it better Bruce!

          • JC

            Yeah, he’s taking charge of taking America the rest of the way down the toilet. He works for foreign interests and despises American values. What’s the penalty for High Treason anyway?

          • JeffH

            Karolyn, “tell me what to do” Obama has never made a deision on his own unless of course it concerned an extravagant vacation across the globe on the taxpayers dime.

            Obama very well could be the most “puppetized tell me what to do” POTUS in American history, and most certainly the least qualified.

          • Robin from Arcadia, IN

            Karolyn…
            Are you kidding me???? Barry is a puppet. George Soros is pulling his strings. He is nothing but a yes man. A take charge guy? You need to open your eyes!

          • kate8

            Karolyn – You have got to be kidding. Now I know you lack a grasp on reality.

            Obama can’t even string together a coherent sentence if he’s off his teleprompter, speaking words written for him by someone else. I doubt he has much understanding of what he’e even reading. He’s just been well-trained at it.

            Take-charge? LOL. He’s empty inside that exterior of arrogant mock-confidence. A thoroughly indoctrinated puppet.

          • Dan az

            Bob this might shock you but there are ways to change this so dont get your hope and changey up yet.
            Congress may overturn an executive order by passing legislation in conflict with it or by refusing to approve funding to enforce it. In the former, the president retains the power to veto such a decision; however, the Congress may override a veto with a two-thirds majority to end an executive order. It has been argued that a Congressional override of an executive order is a nearly impossible event due to the supermajority vote required and the fact that such a vote leaves individual lawmakers very vulnerable to political criticism.

            Second, remember the Supreme Court has the power to declare all or parts of laws and executive orders unconstitutional. Write letters or send e-mails to every single state’s attorney’s general asking them to sue Obama.

            If we as a nation continue to allow presidents to circumvent congress in the making of laws, we are helping establish an American dictatorship which will function without a voice from the people.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Yeah, right. Like the way he took charge on the oil spill in the Gulf? By his actions, you wouldnt even have known we had a president or anykind of actions we could take to help. Yeah, he is a real take charge guy. Doesnt talk to his head general running the war for 6 weeks. Real take charge guy. He is a follower at best, says what his telestrator tells him to say, and his party probably wont even let him run for re-election. I know if I was the head of the democratic national committee, I wouldnt. He is un-electable, because of his lack of taking charge of anything. Seriously Karoly, if he were this take charge guy you think he is, there would be no need for him, over two years in, to still be standing on his milk crate in the public square, pointing his fingers and blaming Bush. No, a take charge guy is what Bush did, cleaning up Clinton’s recession, he rolled up his sleeves and went to work, and never once pointed fingers and said “Look at the mess Billy left us”. No he took charge, something Obama has been unable to do.

          • Lewis Munn

            You know perfectly well Bush was brain-damaged by drinking beverage alcohol during his youth, and was runs by his VP from the back office. Blame the right people. At least some think to blame Cheney for what Bush did, but nobody seems to want to blame Obama’s handlers for what he does; they are too rich and influential.

            It is too bad we are moving to a government of unthinking parrots of Presidents, and dark handlers making them talk! Like the puppets they are. And deflecting the flak to the wrong places.

            Tho I think Bush was brain damaged; he had the other symptoms; Obama seems to be smarter, until his teleprompter goes bad!

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Your a sick man Lewis.

      • http://naver sook young

        God has sent us a savior, but I’m looking for a president.” Thank you.

        Sook Young
        Wife of the Samurai

        • Angel Wannabe

          Me too Sook Young!!

          • Bob Wire

            “The greatest discovery of my generation is that human beings can alter their lives by altering their attitudes of mind.” ~ William James

          • Bruce D.

            There is a lot of truth in that Bob Wire but people need to take action on their newly found attitudes or very little changes. Those who wish others to provide for them tend to have a one track mind that they pass down to their children.

          • Angel Wannabe

            BobW, Nothing wrong with attitude adjustments, as long as reality is still in sight!?

        • Bob Wire

          Savior or King are labels only used by you and others like minds.

          Why is that I wonder? Is that truly what in your mind or is it more a derogatory slur? In so feeble attempt to debase, condescend, by put down to elevate ones own self?

          44 is surly none of those things, but only your President elected by the people. So when you say such things should we be offered?

          NO, ~ as only the weak find themselves able to be offended.

          So it offers the quandary, “WHY”? ~ spite? YES! I think that’s it!

          You are being spiteful.

          spite·ful
             /ˈspaɪtfəl/ Show Spelled[spahyt-fuhl] Show IPA
          –adjective
          full of spite or malice; showing spite; malicious; malevolent; venomous: a spiteful child.

          —Related forms
          spite·ful·ly, adverb
          spite·ful·ness, noun
          un·spite·ful, adjective
          un·spite·ful·ly, adverb

          —Synonyms
          vengeful, mean, cruel, rancorous. Spiteful, revengeful, vindictive refer to a desire to inflict a wrong or injury on someone, usually in return for one received. Spiteful implies a mean or malicious desire for (often petty) revenge: a spiteful attitude toward a former friend. Revengeful implies a deep, powerful, and continued intent to repay a wrong: a fierce and revengeful spirit. Vindictive does not imply action necessarily, but stresses the unforgiving nature of the avenger: a vindictive look.

          • Bruce D.

            I am amazed you went through that much effort to say as little as you did. I have to laugh a little bit.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Bruce D, I’ll say!

          • JeffH

            Bruce D., that’s BW’s MO…if you want to sort through the rubble you might find something…more like a needle in a haystack. To me, it’s not worth the time…most of the time there’s way to much garble.

          • Dan az

            Bob do you right obummers speeches?

          • Lewis Munn

            So what is your point?

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Poppycock. Its all gibberish and poppycock. But if it makes you feel better to spew it out, have at it man.

        • http://none Mike

          Sook, I would settel for a president who was a leader. Just looking for a president has gotten us into our current situation.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Dont blame him on God. It was man that elected him, and didnt do their homework to see who they were voting for. You know, satan has a lot of influence on man.

      • Jon

        Nah, we just want to keep all of you down! Actually, that would be the left who wants to keep you down so you can love them when they give you the handouts and keep you voting for them. Here is how it works- everyone got tax cuts, the unemployed got another year of free money and benefits, and gays will soon be able to serve openly in the military. That is how politics work. Still, doubt you are smart enough to see this. You just think that people in upper tax brackets should share their wealth disproportionately to the rest of those below them.

    • http://None Rick

      Karolyn, I hope you are kidding. Let me enlighten you. The top 1 percent of taxpayers who made about 19% of the all the money paid 40.4 percent of the total income taxes collected by the federal government. That is the highest percentage in modern history.

      2) The share of the tax burden borne by the top 1 percent now exceeds the share paid by the bottom 95 percent of taxpayers combined. In 2007, the bottom 95 percent paid 39.4 percent of the income tax burden. This is down from the 58 percent of the total income tax burden they paid twenty years ago.

      3) To put this in perspective, the top 1 percent is comprised of just 1.4 million taxpayers and they pay a larger share of the income tax burden now than the bottom 134 million taxpayers combined.

      4) Some in Washington say the tax system is still not progressive enough. However, the recent IRS data bolsters the findings of an OECD study released last year showing that the U.S.—not France or Sweden—has the most progressive income tax system among OECD nations. We rely more heavily on the top 10 percent of taxpayers than does any nation and our poor people have the lowest tax burden of those in any nation.

      I suggest to you that we scrap the current tax system, and tax every American 15%. No deductions or tax shelters, oh yea..also no refunds at the end of the year for income you DID NOT EARN.

      • Conservative at Birth

        Don’t confuse these poor ignorant fools with the facts. It will not do any good at all. They have chosen ignorance over knowledge.

        • Richard

          A graduated tax is nothing I support but you miss some points. The top one percent take in 24% of income now and climbing (not 19%) and they pay about the same percentage in tax as the percentage of our total wealth they hold. A flat tax would be great but 15% on all would bring in a lot less and the deficit would be payed slower. And the point that the top 1% make so much off of eliminating an economy that had jobs for the bottom 80%.

          • EltonJ

            Whats stopping you from joining that tax bracket, Richard? If you complain about the Rich so much, why don’t you work to join them? Abundance is abundance. The Earth is full and there is enough for all.

          • http://none Mike

            Richard, What everyone fails to realise is this one simple fact. The top 1% are usually incorperated. This means any new tax burden on them is passed on to the consumers of their products. You could raise the tax burden on them to 100% and they will still make the same as they did yesterday only the cost to the consumer is raised. And if god forbid they ever did start to see a reduction in profits. The layoffs would come so fast that your head would spin. Thus makeing a bad situation worse. Taxes are not the solution a leaner fedral goverment might be but that is just the tip of the iceburg. Mike L.

          • Bruce D.

            You should also mention that the rich give away a lot of money to charity. Government is incompetent. Let them straighten out the mess that they have created first and then maybe we will all be willing to pay a little more to help. As it stands right now it is throwing good money after bad to give them anything. The government needs to do the right thing first and not just tax everyone into oblivion. Do not take people with money for fools. If you get too greedy you will find yourself with even less money than you have now. Cali

          • Bruce D.

            California and New Jersey are proof of that.

          • Richard

            Nothing stopping me EltonJ, and I didn’t complain.
            Mike, price studies have shown conclusively that pricing has nothing to do with taxes. If taxes are lowered then prices stay the same. If taxes are raised then prices stay the same. Pricing is calculated by what people are willing to pay (broadly, in general, and statistically valid).
            A leaner government is most desirable but trade offs are required. Republicans have to give up free trade and tax breaks for offshoring. Democrats have to give up free trade and their hearts bleeding so much they want to give others American jobs. Both have to come together and fix something instead of giving everything away to line their own pockets.

          • dhellew2

            There are a few built-in flaws with your percentage idea. First, government workers don’t pay any taxes or pay for their retirement benefits; Second, percentage based taxes unfairly penalizes those that take all the risk and create all the jobs.

            According to government census reports 10% of the taxpayers are the wealthy and they pay 40% of the taxes. The balance of the taxes are paid by businesses and their workers. In all only 30% of the people, including the wealthy, actually pay taxes.

            The average worker pays less than 15% of their pay to federal taxes. The average business owner and the rich pay more than 35%, not including B&O tax, property tax, corporate tax, half of your social security tax,80-100% of your L&I tax, State Unemployment tax, Federal Unemployment Tax, inventory tax, transportation tax, and many other regulatory taxes on products purchased, and products made for sale.

            Most businesses are fortunate if they get 5% of the revenue generated through sales of their products, yet they took all the risk by investing their money and giving you a job.

            When the business owner dies, government takes 35% of the asset value for the death-tax, an inflated value that government creates, leaving a debt bill that is impossible to pay or even borrow to pay with the small business earnings so the business must close and everyone, including family and workers loses their jobs. Government did not earn any of the money they are stealing from the private sector.

            Take Donald Trump. He gets $450,000 per year, pays 35% of that in federal income tax, hires tens of thousands of employees, and his purchases create thousands more jobs for his business suppliers. He got no bailouts, he earned every dime he made. He created the empire, not government. After all the state, local, and federal taxes are paid, including his employees, government takes around 80% of the earnings. When Trump dies his family will not be able to pay the death tax and lose the business unless he sells the business to them and pays the taxes before he dies.

            Is any of this fair? Why does a bloated over sized government that does nothing but destroy the economy deserve anything?

          • Dan az

            dhellew2
            Thats the facts jack.Thank you

          • http://none Mike

            Richard, Any time cost are raised either by taxes or general inflation. The price of commodities has to go up. If not there would be no reason to sell an item if it was sold lower than cost. The cost are either offset by higher prices or expendable workers one way or another the profit margin has to be maintained.Mike L.

          • Richard

            Mike, commodities are sold in an open cry market and prices are set by buyers not sellers. Sellers can and do lose. Previously, you spoke of corporations which led me to believe you were speaking of pricing products not commodities. As far as inflation goes concerning pricing – if something costs $1 and 2% inflation happens then $1.02 is the exact same price as before as far as pricing is concerned on an inflationary basis.
            For products, as I have already stated,it has been show conclusively that taxes do not affect pricing. Taxes can affect employment levels. A big point to make here, though, is that making the most profits selling products is generated by volume. If taxes are raised on a producer then the goal should automatically be to increase the volume of sales – which obviously, leads to the need for higher employment levels. Prior to free trade it worked that way (and GM (and all) was better off at those much higher tax rates, huh?). Unemployment in America has nothing to do with rates corporations are being taxed at. It does have to do with tax loopholes the Republicans won’t give up that give incentive for offshoring – but, more importantly, have everything to do with free trade. Unemployment, unmanageable government deficit, and many things beyond the scope of this article post are all caused by free trade.

      • Donald

        If the rich control nearly all the money in the country, then where else can the government go to get money? Print it? Tax the poor? Borrow it from China? All these will work, but not for long.

        • Bruce D.

          For a start government workers could take a cut in pay and benefits as their pay is 2 to 1 over the private sector. They could also cut back the size of government and eliminate waste. This is not a Marxist society and should not be run as one. That would free up quite a bit of money and show a little good faith that they are at least trying to do the right thing.

        • Lewis Munn

          They are already doing all those, plug planning to tax estates, and Social Security payments, and raise the taxes on energy way up to force new “black and blue” construction (is that right colour??) and tax it. We are getting more energy taxes, and talk of still more; possibly s tax on Children, with the illegals exempted, of course… Unions will not be taxed though.

          I think we should place a tax on the writers of bills in the House and Senate. Ta then $1000 a words, and editors $500 per change! This should apply equally to both the USA and the individual states. Let’s tax churches nd all other Public Service organizations, and foreign faiths and organizations at double rates.

          How about a breathing tax, to combat CO2 pollutions. Counting the exhales with a band about the chest, and tax so much per breath!!

          How about a “Manuel Labor Tax”? We dub every undocumented person as “manuel” and tax him for being!

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Thank you sir for the truth, and I surely wish the blind liberals would take this under advisement and counsel, and at least try to understand the simple truth. Though I am not rich, far, far from it, as Im a 50 grand a year normal guy, Im sick of the so called rich being demonized in this country. Why do so many call on punishing success and rewarding failure in this country? I dont get it. These same rich bastards as they are deemed by the liberals, employ million of people, generating billions of dollars of revenue and sales, and without them, these same liberals that cry to crucify them, would have to pony up a whole lot more of their money. Its been proven, that if government lets business have their profits, and lets people have their income without taxing it so high, that it is better for the nation as a whole. Its just wrong that so many have the outlook, that because someone educated themself, had an idea, but it into action and took a risk, and worked hard and applied themselves and became successful, so now we should just take half of what they have as a reward for their hard work. What? How do they come to this equation? Its sick. Then then want to take people who just absolutely refuse to get a job, and then reward them with government handouts for their troubles. Give me a stinking break. I am glad I can at least see clearly and see the flaws in this system. Its wrong, and its a perverted course of justice. Its just wrong, wrong, wrong, and when I hear people crying to tax the rich more, it shows their ignorance.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      The tax cuts were extended to me, Mr. 50 thousand a year. I wouldnt consider myself rich at all Karolyn. The tax cuts benefit married people who previously were punished for both of them working. I call it a good thing. And concerning the filthy rich. Although I am not like them, you know, not in love with money, I feel they pay more than their fair share of taxes, and they sure do generate a lot of tax revenue with sales and with jobs they pay people to do. When is enough enough? How long do we demonize success in this country? Until they all move to foreign countries to escape unfair taxation? Then who will be left to fill the tax coffers? Thats right Karolyn, you and I. Why do we punish successful business’s by taxing the hell out of them, but take failing ventures like GM and Chrysler, and give them billions of dollars? Why do we take successes like Bill Gates, and tax the living hell out of him, but then reward the bum that doesnt want to work by giving them welfare, food stamps, and unemployment money, along with other government handouts? Why do we punish success, and reward failure in this country? It never used to be this way, and this country was in good shape. Since we have embraced this liberal philosophy, we have started down the slippery slope to destruction. Its high time to get off of it, and start again rewarding success, and punishing failure, not telling them its ok to sit around and smoke crack and drink alcohol all day. You dont need to work, we the government will take care of you. Its ok, we will take from the hard working people and give it to you. Im sick of it.

      • Dan az

        Now thats the Beberoni I remember!Welcome back.

    • DaveH

      For one thing, Karolyn, they are not tax cuts, just extensions of the same rates we’ve had for almost 10 years. But they are never “tax cuts” (at least not for the last 50 years), rather they are “taking less” from the Rich (and the Middle Class). After all, the “Rich” already pay over 38% of the Income Taxes even though they comprise only 1% of the Income Earners.
      Who ever decided it was “Fair” to take somebody’s money because they had more than somebody else? If we ascribe to that definition of “Fair”, then after the poor countries of the world achieved that “Fairness”, even our lower income people would be giving a lion’s share of their income to support those poor countries.
      Let’s face it, There is no place in the Ten Commandments where it qualifies “Thou Shalt Not Steal” with “but it’s okay if they are Rich”. We have become a Society of Criminals:
      http://mises.org/daily/4125

      Let’s face it, the Politicians are always looking for ways to grow their power. It is the natural order for Governments to Grow. They are currently using the envy of the poor to conduct their class workfare with the ultimate goal of, you guessed it, more money and power for the Political Class. A presidency ago they were using fear of Muslims to build their money and power. Wake up Folks, before we are all just Subjects to the Ruling Class.

  • terry

    I am so in agreement regarding the need to quit extending the unemployement benefits. Why even look for a job or do something you don’t like if you do not have to!! I also believe illegal aliens need to be sent home ASAP. They are one of the largest drains on our economy. I see them every day paying for groceries with my tax dollars have 3-5 childen I am paying for and free medical. They are getting better benefits than those of us working. I, one of many, want it stopped. Welfare of any type needs extreme review and revision!! I hope someone is listening because everyone working is talking.

    • Karolyn

      Have you not heard or seen numerous unemployed people who want to work and have not been able to find jobs in 1 and 2 years? Of course, there are always people to take asvantage of the system, but why throw the baby out with the bathwater? When people come off unemployment, they have to go to Food Stamps, and, if eligible, welfare; so what’s the sense in stopping unemployment benefits?

      • Angel Wannabe

        Karolyn, Perhaps this is a good time to mention, Wilmington Ohio.__In a population of 12,000, 9500 people lost they’re jobs when the DHL plant closed. They just didn’t roll over and take Government handouts, they are taking the bull by the horns!__Beck did a couple of shows from there. (Now, before the Anti-Beck slurs start, you can call Beck what you will, but I’d doubt you or most of the liberal opinionaters on here, could match his continued growing knowledge of history & research) If ya haven’t heard about Wilmington Ohio, its because the Lame Stream Media won’t report on it. These folks are making the impossible, possible, its just them and God!

        http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/200/49378/

        • Karolyn

          Yes, I have seen communities pull together; but, unfortunately, not very many. It’s every man for himself in most places.

          • Jon

            Unfortunately Karolyn, sometimes keeping yourself and your family afloat is a 24/7 job.

          • kate8

            Karolyn – Could it be because not many communities have what Wilmington has? That would be love of God and country. Something called real FAITH, which Progressives have worked so diligently to stamp out.

          • Karolyn

            Kate – I live in the Bible Belt. There’s a church on evey corner; and no one has rallied together around here. For the most part, they’re good people; however, each is more involved in their own little family world.

          • kate8

            Karolyn – A few years back my late other-half and I were on a road trip, gathering materials for our business, when our large U-Haul threw a bearing near a cattle ranch just inside the Missouri/OK border.

            These people stopped what they were doing, laid out a spread in the yard on a picnic table, and fed us quite a feast. The whole family was there, as well as their minister. Afterward, they all pitched in and off-loaded our haul, took care of having a new trailer brought over, and loaded it all back up.

            I have never forgotten the kindness and spirit of these wonderful, God-filled people.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Karolyn, My Family and I lost mostly everything in a 1990 fire!__A 36 foot trailer was home for 9 months on the back lot. I can’t tell you how many times within the course of 9 months, we came home to a porch filled with bags of clothing, sheets pillow cases and toys for the kids!_ and I can’t tell you how many $10 bills were tucked into anonymus envelopes with God Bless written on them a couple from different states___People are “not” just interested in themselves__it usually takes a crisis to bring out the good for people to react.__Why offer assistance to someone when is none is needed??__just because you don’t see it personally, doesn’t mean its not happening!?

        • Goose

          I read the link you posted, then found this link that disproves what Beck reported.

          http://www.politifact.com/ohio/statements/2010/dec/03/glenn-beck/glenn-beck-paints-beleaguered-wilmington-ohio-real/

          • Karolyn

            How typical of Beck to stretch the truth to suit his purposes.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Goose__ Is the food bank federally funded, the 35 churchs???__Who’s helping the small business’s__They can’t collect anything, I know, I was one!!?? Sounds to me like you don’t like Beck and your looking for something to blame him for, rather than give him credit for any good he’s done?!__aside from that Goose, We can all find news articles that either prove or disprove our agruments, its a matter of what side of the fence your on?!_I chose to find the good in Becks intentions, nothing more.

          • Bruce D.

            Angel, Beck is a good man and I stand behind him. He is a great American and one of the reasons that I still hold out hope for this country.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Bruce, I tend to side with the underdogs who’ve managed to overcome hardship and Beck Did!_ and now the the class envy crowd bashes him at every turn__The one thing I saw that was proven though, that The Progressives couldn’t pull off an 8/28 like Beck did.

          • Jon

            Yep, we should always trust liberal newsspeak sites over the facts.

          • Karolyn

            Beg to differ Angel. Jon Stewart’s rally had a least as many, if not more, people than Beck’s, and it was a fun orderly crowd.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Karolyn_You wish!

          • JeffH

            Karolyn, by you saying “it was a fun orderly crowd” can I assume you were in attendance to verify it?

          • Karolyn

            Well, I watched the rally online, and it sure looked like a lot of fun to me! Everybody was laughing and dancing and having a great time. The people were of all races and ages from little kids to “old” people. Some of it was stupid, but it was still fun, and that’s what it was supposed to be – just goofy fun. A time for people to get together and enjoy. The crowd was estimated at around 215,000.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Karolyn, Beck had twice that amount in attendance, look at the over head pics at the Lincoln Center_C’mon now, who are you trying to kid?

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Jon Stewart is a hate monger Karolyn, and that is all he has ever been. He is a sarcastic, little hate filled man. One doesnt have to be enlightened much to see the evil leech out of this guy. And there are a lot of evil people like him in the world, so of course he can draw a crowd. Misery loves company.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        That is BS Karolyn. There are jobs out there. I know people who lost jobs and went right back to work in other jobs. Just some think its better to sit on their arse and let the government take care of them for a year, because they are sick of having to pay for other people all their lives, and now that they are out of work, they want to sit back and skim the system. Then there are others like my most probably will be future son in law, who refuses to even look for a job, because “why should I when they are giving me 400.00 a week to sit home”. Just stating the facts here Karolyn. There are jobs, people just think the world owes them a living and that they should make more than they are worth. I remember when I took my first job, back in 1974. $ 1.80 an hour. I was thrilled. Then I got a huge raise, when I quit and started to work at Pizza Hut for 2.60 an hour. Now days, kids see the 7.00 or whatever it is minimum wage, and thats not enough for them. They dont understand that you start there, and work your way up. Instant gratification, they want it all right now. It doesnt work that way. But there are jobs, people just dont want to have to apply themselves and work their way up anymore. The ones that do, will take those jobs, and be better off because of it.

        • Karolyn

          I guess it just depends on where you live. I was unemployed for four years before finding this job, which is only supposed to last til July. Because of physical problems, I can’t work anywhere that I have to be on my feet a lot; howeve, I also applied to WalMart 3 times and then decided they didn’t want to hire smart people.

          • http://none Mike

            Karolyn, Cant argue with that wal-mart comment at all. I was employed with them for 7years. You would be supprised how many store and district managers they go through in a year or less. If your dumb as a stump you are easily blamed with shortfalls.Anyone with intellagence is quickly weened out of the management processes. I had a department manager once that didnt even know how to order merchindise.She got her promotion by being on the company golf team lol. Mike L.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            On the Walmart thing, I guess that must depend state to state also. My brother worked 15 years at Scott Foods/Kroger, then left and went to work for Walmart. He loves it. He says he is treated much better there and paid better than he was at the Kroger chain.

          • Lewis Munn

            You are noticing! I had that too, because smart people see things and put 2 and 2 together, and this scares management, who fear they might get caught in their illegitimate actions.

      • jack schmidt

        Paying people not to work is counterproductive, especially when it drags on for years. I lived for 3 months on $400 a month unemployment at the end of the Carter admin and made a few half-hearted attempts to find work, but since I didn’t have to take a job that paid less than my last one($600/wk), I really had no incentive to take any job that came up. I didn’t apply for an extension of benefits because it felt too much like charity, especially since I was able to work. I took temporary jobs, sometimes for less than what it cost me in gas to drive to and from work. I finally took a job which was not my ideal one but(barely) paid the bills and worked my way up to a six figure income. This country has become used to government handouts which the libs, both R&D, gladly give since it gives them power over the peasants. It is painful, but forcing the unemployed to take any job in the private sector or starve is the only solution. Don’t try any of the worn out bleeding heart arguments about compassion for the “less fortunate”. There will always be poor among us, often through no fault of their own, but if I can make it, anyone can. The politicians need to read the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and like diapers need to be changed occasionally. I didn’t work my ass off to have them give my earnings to someone who is content to sit on theirs and let the government support them.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Amen brother, your preaching to the choir. I have a probable future son in law who refuses to look for a job since the government is handing him 400.00 a week to sit on his butt, which he gladly does while my daughter works. And she wonders why I dont approve of this relationship and why I dont have one ounce of respect for him. How can I? How can one have respect for someone, who obviously, has no respect for themselves? Because Im here to say, because I was like you without work before, and I couldnt milk it and sit around and take handouts, not when I was able to work. Its wrong on every level, even on a Biblical level, as it is written, “Let him who can work, work.” And also, “blessed is the fruits of your labor”. If you work and EARN a paycheck, that money is blessed. These 60′s hippies that are now running things, have created a whole lot of ones just like they were, lay around and do nothing man, like you know man. Yeah, its kind of like that.

      • DaveH

        No, I haven’t seen them, Karolyn. But I have seen lots of people who milked their unemployment out to the last drop, having no intentions whatever to really seek work.
        And, Karolyn, don’t you understand that those people are riding on the backs of others? That makes those pack mules Slaves (unless they joined the program voluntarily; they didn’t). You don’t think the Plantation Owners of the 19th century had excuses for holding slaves? of course they did. Many of them argued that the Slaves would not know how to feed or clothe or shelter themselves without the direction of the Plantation Owners. There is never any valid excuse for riding on the backs of involuntary carriers.
        In a Free Moral Society the young would save all the money they could for the future, knowing that they would be dependent on family or friends who didn’t have to help them if they failed. Everybody would work more, and thus we would all have more, because after all money is not what makes an economy. Goods and Services are what makes an economy. Money is just a convenience to facilitate the trade of those Goods and Services.

    • Goose

      Just where do you live that people can kick back on unemployment and not feel the need to look for a job? I know, unemployment benefits vary from state to state, so maybe, just MAYBE there is such a place. Unemployment, merely SLOWS the erosion of people’s life savings, 401K’s etc…, but not by much. Aside from that, the Department of Labor has reported that if someone over the age of 50 becomes unemployed, it’s highly likely he / she will never be able to find another job. Yes, I know, age discrimination is illegal, but when you fill out application after application and submit resumé after resumé without as much as a single interview, it’s pretty obvious that it exists.
      Aside from that, I’m sick of the speculation that unemployment benefits are paid by your income taxes and, as such, are a burden on taxpayers. Unemployment INSURANCE is a fund that is paid into, while a person is working, not unlike Social Security. During times of high employment, that fund is growing. The only way unemployment benefits could be adding to the deficit is if Congress has stolen from it like they did Social Security. Oh, I’m sorry. “BORROWED from it.

      • JeffH

        Goose, think again.
        “I’m sick of the speculation that unemployment benefits are paid by your income taxes and, as such, are a burden on taxpayers. Unemployment INSURANCE is a fund that is paid into, while a person is working, not unlike Social Security.”

        It will cost approx $60 billion for extending the latest proposed federal unemployment benefits one year. This money isn’t sitting in some unemployment benefit coffer somewhere, it has to be borrowed…and repaid at the taxpayers expense…at least those still working and paying taxes.

        As of April 2010, 33 states were out of money for unemployment benefits and they have to borrow from the federal government to pay the extensions.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          And the thing is Jeff, is almost all these people that keep collecting it, not even thinking about looking for work, think the federal government owes them a living, and think that this same federal government has a never ending supply of money. They do not yet realize that it comes from the pockets of you and I, and someday they will have to get a job, then it comes from their pockets also. And people do not understand that states are broke and they are sucking this out of federal funds, which comes from, once again, our pockets.

      • DaveH

        Goose,
        I’ve only known one person in my whole adult life (40 years) that has made an honest effort to seek work while on Unemployment Benefits. The rest have milked it for all it’s worth.
        And if you want to talk about Age Discrimination, I agree it definitely exists. But it exists even more in the face of Age Discrimination laws. What employer in his right mind wants to take on the added burden of a huge liability risk? One potential employer even had the honesty to admit that to me. I have never been an employer, because I will be damned before I take on a not-so-silent partner who not only doesn’t contribute financially to my business, but even takes my money as fast as he can (Uncle Sam). I feel really sorry for employers in this day and age of Big Government meddling in the marketplace.
        Jeff already addressed this, but I will reiterate, the employee never puts into a fund for unemployment. In normal times, the employer funds the unemployment benefits, but these aren’t normal times. Right now the Unemployment Benefit extensions are being directly funded by the Federal Government, which we all pay for. So, you are wrong when you say that unemployment benefits aren’t a burden on the taxpayer.

        • libertytrain

          DaveH – employer’s do pay unemployment INSURANCE fees – as example, here is New York below – when I did the accounting for a business long ago in Florida, we do/did pay unemployment insurance and the rates varied depending on how many unemployed people we had that qualified for the benefit.
          Unemployment Insurance for Employers

          “Unemployment insurance is temporary income for eligible workers who become unemployed through no fault of their own and who are ready, willing, able to work and have sufficient work and wages in covered employment. In New York State, the money for unemployment insurance benefits comes from taxes paid by employers. No deductions are ever made from a worker’s paycheck for unemployment insurance. It is the Department of Labor that determines whether an unemployed worker qualifies for unemployment.”

          • libertytrain

            DaveH -If I wasn’t clear – I was trying to prove your point.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      I agree. My daughters boyfriend has refuse to look for a job for over a year now, because as they both state. “why should he get a job when they are giving him almost 400.00 a week to not work”. And believe me, that is the outlook of many people, and its sad. And my daughter wonders why I dont approve of her relationship with him, or have any respect for him. Imagine that.

      • Karolyn

        I remember when you were required to provide job search proof, and if you didn’t, your benefits were curtailed. They don’t do that anymore, more’s the pity. Yes, there should be more oversight of government handouts. People on UI and welfare should be drug tested and enrolled in some type of training. Here in SC, they do have some programs, especially for all of those who lost their jobs via the move to overseas. Anybody who does not cooperate with training available, should be cut off.

        • Angel Wannabe

          Karolyn, theres only one way to stop umemployment benefits abuse, makem work for it! To coin some of Bambi’s talking points, we need to fix bridges and roads, so letem do it!!

        • DaveH

          Karolyn,
          The job search proof is a pain in the neck, but it is easy to surmount. Any contacted employer can tell if you don’t really want to work, and of course won’t hire you. It’s relatively easy to provide job-search documentation when you don’t really want to work.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          I remember back in the day, when you had to do the job search things, I knew guys that went to place they knew were not hiring, and went to the same ones every week, and that was allowed. The government just hands it out, and doesnt care. If they cared, they sure as heck would not let over a million illegals run around inside our borders, but thats another story for another day, but just a another fact to show their inneptitude on things.

      • http://none Mike

        Beberoni, In some ways I agree with you but in others I dont. This is the problem most rual areas face. The real time unemployment numbers are staggering at best catastrophic at worst in our rual communities.Most of us that are in these rual areas try to band together and support one another but as the econamy worsens we have fewer and fewer options available. Even the local McDonalds here arent hireing because they have filled all their jobs with older laid off people.Thoes of us that have the money to move out of these areas allready have and that even further depreses the econmy of these areas.Mike L.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          I totally understand and agree what your saying. Some rural areas and small towns just dont have many places there to seek work. But what Im referring to is that it is rampant in big cities. Rampant. People can get jobs, but the mindset is why work when they are paying me to stay home. And a lot that have ran out of unemployment, they are collecting food stamps and welfare, and to get a job would endanger that. Many know just how long they have to work on a job, to be able to collect welfare and food stamps for the maximum amount of time, along with unemployment, and they make it a continual cycle doing this, quitting jobs to get the freebies. And I have had many tell me this, and I assure you, if the government didnt make their handouts so lucrative, you wouldnt have so many waiting to receive them. And thats a fact.

          • http://none Mike

            Beberoni, Point taken and understood as well. Thats what makes this cyclye so visous. Good people sometimes get caught up in an overall bad situation.And in the current climate thats not only a bad situation its catastrophic. Much as in the 30′s When as well as a depression we had the dust bowl thing happening to our farmers. Many people are now moveing to larger cities seeking employment. Sooner or later they will be caught in the wash as well when they have moved and found out the situation is the same as they left. Mike L.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            I know what your saying Mike, and like a lot of things in life, there are people that are trying hard, good people, who have had bad blows strike them and cause them to struggle. And instead of us all being able to pitch in and help them out, there are now so many lazy arse’s out there, who pose as being poor and needy, and are living on handouts that were designed to help people through hard times. However, like anything the government runs, it escalates into spending more and more, and no one knowing or caring where it is going, and there are always those who are scooping in the benefits that are undeserving, while those in need do without. And my heart goes out to those who really have the need, that are getting cut out, so that bums can get their free handouts. Its not right.

  • Robert

    Sounds like Karolyn is just another of the libs that think the answer to all problems is to take from those who work hard and give to the deadbeats of the country. It is comical to hear a lety talk about spin.

    • Karolyn

      No, Robert, you can’t generalize. I don’t think that is the answer. I think the answer to all of our problems is in education.

      • Conservative at Birth

        Then why don’t you get educated? Or do you mean indoctrination, not education?

        • Karolyn

          Seeing more of a big picture, as I do, I would venture to guess I’m a lot more educated than you in things that you don’t even have a clue about.

        • BobbyB

          I thought education was bad according to conservatives. Aren’t educated people the “Elite”? From the comments I attempt to read on this site, education is in short supply~

          • Karolyn

            And since when is “education” a dirty word? Why are intellectuals so despised by conservatives? Are there no conservative intellectuals? Oh, I know; they pretend not to be, so as not to lose their base!

          • Angel Wannabe

            Karolyn,”And since when is “education” a dirty word? Why are intellectuals so despised by conservatives?”
            _The Liberal intellectuals you desribe, aren’t particularly liked because, they take from the haves and give to the have nots. Irregardless if one is rich or poorer, the taxes we pay out across the board, is ABOSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS!__We are suppose to be protected from unfair taxation, but our “Liberal intellectuals” believe more is better! We aren’t just here to line other peoples pockets! Theres so damn much money and lies changing hands, theres no fool proof way of knowing if the people who need the money & help really get it! _The only ones really deserving of assistance are our sick and elderly!

          • DaveH

            Bobby, Karolyn, where are you getting that crap? Neither one of you has any idea what our educations are. Just as we have no idea what your educations are. I am highly degreed, but I have always argued that a person does not need college to be educated. We need only to make the effort to learn. I believe that I have learned more from home study over my lifetime than I have from my formal education.
            As far as Liberals believing they are more educated than Conservatives, I would say it doesn’t matter. What matters is – does anybody have a right to make life choices for anybody else? I wouldn’t give a damn if you both were more educated than I am (although I highly doubt it), I don’t want you forcing your life choices on me or anybody else.
            Another point I would like to make is that the terms Liberal and Conservative are very much subject to interpretation. A lot of the people that consider themselves Conservative are really better described as Right-Wingers. I would personally describe Conservatives as those who believe in our Founders vision (that includes greatly limited Foreign entanglements), and Liberals as those who believe that Big Government is the solution (that includes even Republicans who want Big Government and there are many). Such is the English Language, not very precise, especially these days when “sick” means “outstanding” to some, and “buck” means something similar. It’s no wonder people are confused.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Actually, education is a bad word to the voter base of the democratic party. Many in a certain community, are criticized for speaking clearly, and getting good grades, and being able to articulate a sentence, and they are labeled as Uncle Toms and sellouts, and are chastized in their own neighborhoods. And over 90 percent of this same community votes democrat. So yes, to the people that elect democrats, education is a bad word.

      • Carlucci

        Education? You must have missed one of the recent articles on this site that talked about Russia going through this same hot mess years ago. People there could not find jobs, so they went back to school to get advanced degrees. Russia had more PhDs than any other country on earth, yet nobody was working. There was no productivity to stimulate the economy. What is the point of more education when there are no jobs? Read this article and give a rebuttal if you can:

        http://www.lewrockwell.com/rep/great-education-scam.html

        • Karolyn

          Carlucci – I’m talking about basic education from the beginning. Teaching kids how to live like human beings in this world. The better the basic education system is, the less crime, drug use and system abuse we will have.

          • Carlucci

            Okay, Karolyn. And just who provides this “basic education”? Please don’t say the public schools. They have done nothing but turn out substandard product for years.

            The decline of America has all gone according to plan. A big part of it was attacking the family unit. That’s where basic education is supposed to come from. Fortunately for me, I had parents and grandparents who read to me and my sister all the time when we were little. My grandmother (a divorced, self-made success who owned her own business way before it was fashionable) enrolled us in book clubs for kids. Because my parents and grandparents cared enough to spend time reading to us, I was able to read on a third grade level when I was four years old. It all starts at home.

          • Karolyn

            You are absolutely right Carlucci. We are the lucky ones. Unfortunately, however, your case is not the case in a great many households. The cycle has to be broken by the public education system providing comprehehsive and caring education to those whose families are disfunctional, thereby creating the break. I’ve seen programs highlighted on TV that are doing just that; and they need to be expanded. MORE MONEY FOR EDUCATION – LESS FOR DEFENSE AND MILITARY BASES IN OTHER COUNTRIES. (Most of these soldiers in foreign bases in places like Germany are just having a grand old time doing nothing.)

          • thinking

            Karolyn “The better the basic education system is, the less crime, drug use and system abuse we will have”
            This statement is not reality! As a nation and each state have spend multi-billion on education we are worse off then 20 years ago, much worse off than 40 years ago. We have schools that are the pride of their community. We having killing, drugs, sex, gangs that 40 years ago would not have been allowed. The problems back then were late for school, talking in class and skipping school. Liberal ideas that teachers are the child’s servant, that no one should learn faster than the slowest learner, that schools had to be the biggest and best buildings, That parents should not be responsible for teaching their children, that the government and its people know more than the schools on how to teach, what to teach and government indoctrination will give us superior knowledge. We have children that can’t read and write but we teach Spanish and have special classes for illegal’s. We have more children on lunch programs and PTA’s that only 10% of the parents attend. We have time to watch mindless shows on TV but don’t have time to teach our children manors or respect. We have single parents and give them the excuse that it is hard for one parent to do all this work of raising children so they can watch Oprah and live the victims life.
            You make it sound so easy yet the problem is not any better than last year or 10 years ago. Yes I am from the old school! I respected my teachers, police and even adults. If you misbehaved in school you received two punishments, school and home. Today it is the teachers fault or the school system. We as Americans blame everyone else for our misfortunes. I can tell that you don’t take the blame yourself as you blame Bush and the right and the other people for not seeing things as you do. There are no easy answers for the problems we created. Human nature has done what has been done for thousands of years. America will soon be changing to a different type of government as this one has failed. You should have one hope in your life and no one can take that away! God is where you need to go, he loves you as well as Obama and Bush.

          • Karolyn

            Thinking – I never said anything was easy. The whole education system needs to be changed, as well as so much more. There need to be techers who care and are paid for what they produce. I’m not against all of what I hear from conservatives. There are no easy answers to any of the challenges the world faces today; and I saw “world” because we are a part of it. And I do believe in a loving God who wants us all to get along and be peaceful as the brothers and sisters that we are.

          • DaveH

            The only way we will accomplish that, Karolyn, is to give school choice back to the parents (where it belongs). Then parents could send their kids to schools where they learn what they really need to live a good life, such as economics. Instead our public educational systems are more about what’s good for the unionized teachers and administrators, than they are about what is good for the students.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        But just how do we educate them? For years the government has dumped billions upon billions into the education system, and that is not the answer. New multi architectural schools with olympic size swimming pools and state of the art science labs isnt going to make our kids more successful in life. Teaching them not to have sex until they are married would be a good start. So many kids cannot even concentrate in class, because the societal pull tells them that they have to have sex and have multiple girlfriends, and to get all you can while you can, that many kids are in school looking to get some, instead of looking to learn. And its been this way since I was in school in the late 70′s, and I know it was still this way when my children who just graduated went to school. Youve got teachers who dont care, collection paycheck after paycheck. You have many, and I seen it first hand when I went to school with my children, that give them work to do, only they arent allowed to do it in class, they have to take it home, then the teacher just sits there in front of the class reading a book, instead of teaching. Its unbelievable. And they know they are protected by the teachers union. Around here in Indiana, they are supposed to start monitoring childrens success rates, and holding those who teach them responsible. So that when these kids take their tests, and they all fail, that teacher gets these marks. They get too many, they are fired. Maybe this will make these teachers teach, and if they have these gang banger kids whose sole purpose seems to be to disrupt the classrooms, instead of just being allowed to do it, these teachers will take actions and kick these kids out, because it will reflect on their scores also. Then maybe the kids that want to learn, can actually learn. The classrooms I sat in, were no condusive to learning at all. And the curriculum needs a whole scale change. Many of you may disagree, but truthfully speaking, know a verb from a pro-noun from an adjective, from a noun, has not helped me in the least in securing employment, or in living a good live. Neither has algebra or trigonometry, but I do agree there are trades that those can come in handy. All the science and biology I took, well those are fine, if your going to either teach science, or end up being a scientist. Other than that, worthless. Reading, writing , and Arithmatic are necessary. We have to be able to do that. Geography, yes, I can tell you all the capitals and states and all that, but it never helped me get any job or prepared me in any way for live outside of school. How about teaching kids 5 to 10 years of electricity, and wood shop, and metal shop, and plumbing, and give them skills they are ready to use when they get out. Are we that blind that we think a computer is going to lay down slabs of concrete, and plumb buildings, and wire in electricity, and build houses, and fix things? Our educational system is a failure, as is everything else the government runs, you know, like social security, broke and busted, medi care and medi caid, broke and busted. The US postal service, broke and busted. The school system is broke and busted. And now some also want them to run our health care system. Oh boy, what a mess that will end up being. Your right that education is needed, only the way they currently do it, its not working at all. It broke and busted.

        • Karolyn

          In NJ where I’m from, just about every (if not every) county has a vocational-technical high school, and they are very well attended. I haven’t seen that here in SC. I think they are a very good idea for everywhere. You’re right about the sciences and math. Even now, with me back in school at 63, I have to take algebra and biology to be a counselor! I’ve heard it said that Bill Gates thinks we need to throw the whole system out and start over fresh. That sounds good to me. The only problem is….MONEY.

          • DaveH

            I agree Karolyn, there should be lots more trade schools and lots fewer Liberal Arts schools. I can’t speak for counselors, but it does seem to me that they should have a more general education in order to effectively guide the children. But most of the others would be better suited to concentrate in the areas of their interest.
            I went to college a few years back (age 55) in an attempt to get a Computer Science degree, but after the first semester, I realized that little has changed since I got my degrees (in 1974). The college professors seem more intent on puzzling the students with brain teasers than with teaching them useful subject matter that might actually be used to earn a real living. They were teaching stuff that maybe 10% (if that much) of the class would ever actually use on their jobs. I consider that to be a waste of time and money for most students.
            So, to address your money concerns, I think the bang for the buck would be much greater in a trade school where they concentrate on teaching the students what they really need to know in order to do a good job in the career of their choice.

          • KKuurus

            Vo-tech is a waste of taxpayer money. If a kid wants to learn mechanical trades let business teach him in an apprenticeship.

            Any child that drops out of school should loose the right to ANY government money period if a girl gets pregnant to damn bad that kid is YOUR fault not mine or any of the roughly 200,000,000 others that didn’t get screwed up and drop out, and yea Karolyn I have a degree. So far it’s done me bupkis since 2003, the jobs have been shipped over sea. So quit trying to excuse the Communistic BS you spout by saying I’m ignorant! It doesn’t take a village to raise a child it takes A family!!!

          • Jackson

            Kkuurus you have a degree? If the spelling and grammar on your resume is written as poorly as it is on your post, maybe THAT’s the reason it’s done you “bupkis” since 2003

        • DaveH

          Beberoni,
          Sounds like you’re one of those parents who actually gets involved with your kids’ education. Good for you.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Im here to tell you Dave, that it got so bad, they wanted to put my son on ritalin, because he exhibited a touch of testosterone, and didnt want to sit in a class for an hour, not allowed to do anything but sit there. The kid was getting straight A’s, and was in classes one and two years above his age level, from 2nd grade up to middle school. I refused to let them drug him, and I was forced to take him to a doctor, and pay 463.00 out of my own pocket because insurance wouldnt pay for it, just to have the doctor write that “this child does not need ritalin, rather he is quite brilliant”. I told these idiot teachers how him and I could sit down and play a 3 hour game of Monopoly, and watch a couple of 2 hour movies on bad weather days, and that kids with A.D.D. just dont do that. But they wouldnt listen. They want to drug out the class room, so that they dont have to teach and deal with other peoples kids. Excuse me, isnt that part of teaching? Its amazing Dave, if you see the numbers of how many kids they have drugged out on this stuff, and the side effects are yet to be determined. Its really sad.

        • Lewis Munn

          My experience was when I spent a couple years teaching in a community college. Both of us who taught in the one section were hauled up by the teacher’s union, supported by the college administration (the State) on charges of teaching the kids too such, so they left school and got a job in local industry after the first year.

          Kids were happy, industry was happy, and some kids were planning to come back and learn more the 3rd year. Administrators and Unions were not happy at all!!

          We were forced to eviscerate the curriculum and give the kids make-work so they HAD to stay 2 years to know enough to get a job.

          Kids just were taught less per year. Only ones happy were the unions who got more dues and fees, and the college administration which got their money in money and fees in faster too.

          These folks seemed to me to be liberals, and far more interested in their enrichment than in helping local kids and local industry.

          I quit teaching as part of the agreement to stop teaching the kids so much so fast!

          I had one of my kids decide to go on for a higher degree, also, which frosted them! They did not like the idea that smart kids go on to more education! Fancy that!

          This is want happens when unions and administrators get too interested in the business of getting all the money they can as quick as they can. And forget who is supposed to get the most benefit from Education.

          Also why I do not have love for state educational administrations and Teacher’s Unions!!

          I have taught some engineers one-on-one, on the job, free, later on, successfully.

  • Norman Taber

    The Democrats and the Republican Parties are both afraid of the Freedom Party’s new members in congress. The new members are too far to the right at the present to approve the needed tax cuts for the poor and small business and to refuse the give away to the rich. The new party will say “pull yourself by your boot straps” and ignore the loss of jobs caused by large companies. No government control on the financial world will only acerbate the present situation. We are close to a revolution by the minority poor with help from Arab student help. At San Jose State University the Arab students control of the computer system and have given personal information they have hacked to Mexican Gangs. The gang leader has said openly, “We need his money.” The outgoing emails are blocked or edited while being entered. One needs to check for ‘no’ or ‘not’ insertions in an email. Peronal information is passed along. We do not need to have representatives with their heads in the sand about Reagan Propaganda that was NOT reality and his administration playing on a public that does not unserstand the economic situation.

    • Karolyn

      It is not as easy these days to “pull yourself up by your bootstraps” as it was years ago. I was always able to do things to make money since my early 20s. I am 63 now, and those ways are no longer viable. The population is so much larger now, and everything’s been done. I sold on ebay when it first started and was making good money. Nowadays, forget it. The volume is so huge it’s not even worth trying to sell what I used to sell. In my 20s I worked 2 jobs. Now, I’m lucky to have one. I worked craft shows and flea markets and cleaned houses for 8 years when I didn’t have a “regular” job. At least where I live now, with a 13.1% unemployment rate, those are no longer viable. All of you holier-than-thou “pull yourself up by your bootstraps” people need to start living in the real world of the 21st century.

      • JeffH

        Karolyn, I guess what you are saying is for everyone to accept this accelerated “transformation” to socialism and quit trying to stop it.
        Trust the government? Cower in the fetal position and let go of the Constitution? Let go of our freedom? Forget about the sacrifices that have been made by other Americans in the name of freedom so that we all can become “sheep”?

        I got a kick ut of the “conservatives” and higher education comments.
        Not a thing wrong with higher education and I don’t believe “conservatives” have a problem with it either. The problem is the liberals that openly bragg on their education and look down their proverbial noses at anyone who opposes their viewpoint and immediately labels them as “ignorant and un-educated”. Life’s experiences can provide as much education as books do, unfortunately liberals can’t seem to understand that part of it. To them, it’s more about what hangs on the wall, anything less is unacceptable.

        Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.
        Winston Churchill

        • kate8

          JeffH – Good answer.

          Higher education, which the liberals find so admirable, is nothing but indoctrination of someone else’s ideas. Most if it is historical hogwash and socialist reinvention of facts, mores and ideals, anyway.

          While they’re busy learning elitist theories of social engineering and how to manage and control everyone else’s lives, we’re out here attempting to live our own lives and stay afloat as they trash our underpinnings.

          Karolyn is another example of victim mentality. For all her spouting about seeing the positive and creating one’s own reality, I don’t see her walking her talk at all.

          Such ideas are worthless unless we implement them. To a liberal, it’s all cerebral clap-trap. Utterly meaningless.

          • JeffH

            Kate8, thanks and we all have to keep fight the “ignorance” of others.

            Have a very blessed and Merry Christmas.

          • JeffH

            …duh…keep fight?…duh!

          • kate8

            JeffH – Merry Christmas to you, as well.

            Keep the faith.

          • Karolyn

            See my response below. And another thing is I do try to implement what I espouse here. I do walk the walk.

          • BobbyB

            Dave H,

            As I was saying. This comment and hundreds of others like it from the right is where I get it from. And I agree, no one has the right to make choices for others. That has to be across the board though. It includes abortion, gay marriage, etc.

            As contrary as it may seem, I also agree that education in America is for the most part indoctrination, just like talk radio and fox news. Our problems in this country will continue to get worse unless we all start thinking for ourselves and paying attention to what we actually see and experience. Not what is spoon fed to us~

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Note to Bobby. Fox News is the only place you can get the truth. You will get spoon fed a liberal agenda by ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN and MSNBC, who has a left wing liberal agenda, and proves it over and over. Yet you dismiss them, and single out the one network that actually ALLOWS Conservatives to have a voice, and each one of its talking heads continually has members of the democratic party come on to debate, and many many more democrats that refuse to come on and debate, because they know these guys are twice as smart as them, and unlike the liberal alphabet network news, the Fox guys wont cover for them, and they will expose them truthfully and ask them questions they dont want to answer, you know, like the ones the other networks constantly pound to the conservatives, who actually answer their questions. You have an agenda sir, to make a stupid biased statement like that. Youve been exposed.

        • DaveH

          As Margaret Thatcher said “The trouble with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other peoples’ money”.

    • Jeep

      Norman, tax cuts are not a “give away”. Or, is it that when a theif breaks in your house and leaves your wallet on the table that you consider he “gave” you your wallet? Tax “cuts” allow you to keep more of what you earn (that you then spend on your local economy which spurs job growth, etc…you know, economics 101)

      • DaveH

        Good response, Jeep. The money that we give Government to spend on studying the “love life of a frog” or some other ridiculous waste would be much more efficiently spent in the Free Market.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Hello – the loss of jobs due to large companies? Are you kidding me. Large companies hire and create more jobs than anyone or anything. That is what they do. That is how they got large sir. They worked hard, applied themselves, made good products at a cost that people were willing to pay, and as they became successful, they hired and expanded and hired more people and expanded, and became big companies. These same big companies you demonized, pay, and generate millions upon millions, some of them billions of dollars of taxes paid to our government. And all the people who have jobs because of them, generate millions of dollars of tax revenue. Your statement makes absolutely no sense at all. That like saying since they invented the automobile, we can travel anywhere. That is exactly what youve just said. Just Brilliant.

      • JeffH

        Beberoni, you know that liberals can’t stand success and anyone that works hard to achieve success…

        In the end, how many of the liberal Big government supporters are going to say “I should have seen this coming”! They still haven’t figured out that the negative effects of Big Government will include them.

        • Karolyn

          Jeff, You are so full of crap. Why would liberals not want to see anyone succeed? Just plain crap!

          • JeffH

            Karolyn, last time I looked my eyes are still blue, so I can’t be full of crap.

            Let’s see…the liberals always demonize the rich and want the rich to “pay their fair share”, whatever that means. The liberals hate all corporations. The liberals support Big government’s punishment of “free market” success, whether a big corporation or a small business owner.

            Why is it ok to “hate” the rich, but not the poor?
            Seems to me that we’re all citizens and that we should be treated equally under the law whether we’re rich or poor. Think about it…how often do liberals complain about “the poor” not being treated equally when it comes to something like the criminal code? I think we could all agree that citizens should be treated equally when it comes to the criminal code, but shouldn’t we be treated equally when it comes to the tax code as well?

            And yes, I know that the common assumption by liberals engaged in class warfare is that “the rich” can take care of themselves. To some extent that’s true, but let’s remember that a $100,000 college tuition bill or even just saving for retirement are challenges even to members of the upper class.

            Just because somebody worked hard to earn something doesn’t mean you have to hate them. I would be happy for them for actually doing something useful and working hard in their life. a trend I have noticed is that Democrats and liberals always demonize the rich and successful, almost like they are demons from hell, taking advantage of the middle class.

          • kate8

            Liberals only hate to see conservatives succeed.

            If you admire success, you don’t penalize it.

          • Karolyn

            Well, I sure don’t fit your picture, so I guess I’m not liberal. I just hate inequality. The wealthy that get off with paying next to no taxes through loopholes are vermin in my eyes. They are the ones that care only for themselves. They are the ones who lust after wealth and power to the exclusion of even their own. I remember an interview I heard years ago with a big developer being asked how he felt about tearing up all the land in the state of NJ for development, and how he felt about the world he was leaving his grandchildren. His answer was “I don’t care.” Those are the wealthy I resent. Those like Buffett, Gates and Zuckerberg who want to share the wealth are a credit to the human race. I don’t think I’d want all their money other than to give most of it away. It’s too much trouble.

          • kate8

            Another great post, JeffH.

            Liberals hate the (conservative) rich because they need someone to blame for their victimhood! It’s so clear. Class-envy is drummed into them.

            I once tried to have a conversation with a flaming liberal, where I pointed out how liberal victim mentality damages people. He never was able to get past the blame game on any point. He even accused me of blaming liberals for blaming the rich!

            It’ not their fault, I suppose. But then, that would suggest to them that it’s someone else’s fault.

            Sigh. There is just no way to make sense of senselessness.

          • kate8

            Karolyn – Funny. Those rich you admire for “giving their money away” are giving huge amounts of it to the depopulation agenda. They are making sure that everyone, especially the “poor”, get all the latest vaccinations for themselves and their children.

            You know enough to know that those pharmaceuticals they are so generous to lavish on the world’s population are for the purpose of genocide.

            Your thinking is seriously twisted, girl.

          • JeffH

            Karolyn says and I quote: “Well, I sure don’t fit your picture, so I guess I’m not liberal. I just hate inequality. The wealthy that get off with paying next to no taxes through loopholes are vermin in my eyes.”

            Keep on believing that you’re not a liberal. Independent thinker? NOT! Indoctrinated thinker? Yep!

            This is the Bill Gates you hear about?
            Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation- Truth Revealed
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ttq0IdULfjg&feature=related

          • JeffH

            If one could try to fool themselves into believing that Bill Gates wouldn’t call for the expansion of the depopulation agenda, you didn’t need to wait very long to hear that directly from his own mouth.

            In a recent TED Talk, Bill Gates has put forward the theory that mankind can reach zero carbon emissions by reducing our population, services, energy and carbon output. And yes, he’s even suggested a trendy, yet totally absurd, equation to legitimatize his eugenicist viewpoint.

            Gates states that the world’s population is rapidly heading toward a staggering 9 billion and that, “if we do a good job on new vaccines, healthcare, and “reproductive health services” we could lower that by 10-15%.” Yes, you guessed it; Bill Gates is suggesting tried and tested Malthusian population manipulation to achieve the new world order’s nominal depopulation agenda.

            “Reproductive health services” is an obvious code phrase for sterilization and abortion services, as so cunningly detailed by Obama Science Czar John Holdren in his government eugenics handbook “Ecoscience”.

            “new vaccines, healthcare, and reproductive health services”…be careful what you wish for.

          • DaveH

            Karolyn, I’m afraid Jeff is correct. A large portion of the Liberal population pushes the Politics of Envy and other Class Warfare themes. Whether they are against successful people or not is open to debate, but they sure do want to share their money.

          • JC

            Liberals are no longer “Liberals” they are Socialists.
            This is eveident given the political push they have been on to enforce collectivism. (The Republicans are complicit also)
            And there enlies your answer Karolyn.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            That question Karolyn, “Why dont liberals want people to succeed?”, is something I would like to know. Why is it, that if a person or a business is successful, they want to punish them by taxing the living hell out of them? Yet if they are a blatant failure, like GM and Chrysler, they reward them with billions of dollars? Why do liberals, want to fix it so that the first place team doesnt get trophies, because it makes the other kids feel bad, so lets give them all trophies? Again, what happened to rewarding success? The liberals dont want it. There are even schools now, do to the liberal think tank taking over our educational system, that want to do away with Valedictorian’s and Salutatorian’s, because it make’s the other kids feel bad. What? Are you kidding me? What happened with rewarding those who work hard and apply themselves? The liberals do not want this. They just want everyone to feel good. So they are building a whole generation after generation of children, whose goal is to rise to the level of mediocrity, because they are truly being taught that success doesnt pay, when they see the failures receiving the same thing they do for their hard work and application. Children are not stupid, and they figure this out real fast. The liberals are killing our future.

  • Dr. smith

    “That leaves the total Federal DEFICIT approaching $14 trillion.”

    I believe the author meant debt as later it’s written “our national debt to $13.8 trillion, over 90 percent of our total national output (GDP).”

    debt and deficit are 2 different birds, although both are screaming “we’re broke!”

  • Delores Smith

    JOHN MYERS,
    Thank you so much for a great article. Merry Christmas and a very Happy New Year! I am sending you a link in case you have never seen this. This is Obama’s agenda, to collapse our economy…along with Soros. He is underestimating the intelligence of Americans.

    Please click on this link:

    http://apathetic-usa.com

    Note that Frances Scott Piven is in photo with Clinton.
    This is the Cloward-Piven Strategy.
    Delores Smith
    Delores109@cox.net

    • Dan az

      Delores Smith
      Thank you for the site and I would like everyone here to see this.

  • Patriot

    Hey Liberal & Proud,

    Your Lib talking points are completely discredited when the facts and truth are uncovered! Stay of this site until you understand what economic stress we are in due to this administrations agenda, you may want to write on blogs where intellectual integrity is non-existent! Also go back to your crack pipe so we all do not have to read your pure nonsense!

    During the Revolutionary War there were people just like you that sided with Britain because they thought our ragtag, untrained, outmanned and ill-equipped Patriots would cower and run with the site of the more powerful, professional army! The difference was we were fighting for a cause which was much greater then any military and is why we are still the greatest country in the world, it is Liberty! The fight is much different now, but the stakes are much the same, “Give me Liberty or Give me Death! This statement, Still resonates with me and I believe with most of our fellow Patriots! Keep up the good fight; do not rest until we transform this whole Damn Government! I am all in; are you?

    • Bruce D.

      Good post Patriot.

    • Dan az

      Patriot
      Im more than all in!
      Today in the United States, immigrants are pouring in at 2.3 million annually–both legal and illegal–our nation shudders from San Francisco to New York and from Chicago to Miami. We rose from 200 million to nearly 300 million in three decades. What was once a benefit to our country is now a full-scale overpopulation and societal crisis. Our English language is under assault and our schools are drowning in ethnic violence, rapes, drugs and gang warfare. In California, Texas, Florida and Arizona, our hospitals suffer bankruptcies from non-paid services for 350,000 annual ‘anchor babies’. Ten million illegal immigrants displace jobs from America’s working poor and depress wages for many others. Leprosy, tuberculosis, Chagas Disease, hepatitis and other diseases ‘pour’ into our country within the bodies of illegal immigrants who avoid health screening before coming on board the United States. Even worse, clashing cultures with religions that celebrate ‘female genital mutilation’ and subjugation of women are growing in enclaves around our country. As Lincoln said, ‘A house divided against itself can not stand.’”

      • Patriot

        The Dream Act is just the opposite, it is a Nightmare Act!

      • DaveH

        Dan, please don’t fall into the trap of blaming our bad economy on the immigrants or the population size. Hong Kong has a robust economy with a population density much greater than our most densely populated state (New Jersey, I think). Our country’s economy is suffering from one thing only and that is too damn much Government sucking our financial and natural resources dry.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Just think how the economy would be rolling , if on our paychecks, we had all the federal tax, and state tax, and local tax, and social security tax and medicare tax and such back in our pockets. We would have that much more to spend to stimulate this economy. Business would have more and be able to expand and create more jobs. Big government is killing us, by taking away, they cause a lot of harm.

    • JC

      Amen Patriot.
      We need to take out the trash and restore the Republic.

  • Teri Gionfrido

    Inasmuch as the employee and employer pay for it, how is unemployment INSURANCE a handout? Just asking..

    • Conservative at Birth

      Exactly, how does the employee pay for it? I don’t remember ever paying into any fund for unemployment as an employee. Employers pay for it entirely.

      • Teri Gionfrido

        Believe employees portion is in FICA portion deduction from ones check.

        • BobbyB

          You are correct. I pay for unemployment insurance for my employees and they pay a percentage that comes out of their weekly check. If they don’t have sufficient earnings in the required quarters, they get no unemployment check.
          This BS of calling unemployment a hand out is just another way the powers that be attempt to fool (and succeed in a lot of cases) people in to thinking that the cause of our woes in this country are caused by the poor and unfortunate. The fact that most of our jobs have been outsourced because of tax rates is another diversionary tactic. It’s not the tax rate, it’s the tax structure.
          One thing I agree with is our tax code needs to be totally scraped.

      • Karolyn

        Well, I don’t know where you live, but I have always had UI deductions out of my pay unless it was for a nonprofit that chose to opt out.

      • Bitter Libertarian

        Under “normal” circumstances the employer does pay. However these “extensions” are funded by the Federal Govt, IE: More borrowing from the Federal reserve Private bank.

        • JeffH

          BINGO!

    • Carlucci

      Employers only pay for it. It is against the law for employees to pay for unemployment insurance.

      • Bitter Libertarian

        And when those “accounts” are empty or cannot sustain the volume of unemployed they borrow from the Govt who borrows from the Private Bank the FED

      • Karolyn

        Well then, how is I have been paying into it??

        • DaveH

          Karolyn,
          I’ve worked in only 4 different states, so I can’t speak for the others, but none of those 4 took money directly from the employees’ paychecks for an unemployment fund.
          However, indirectly we do indeed pay, because in a free market, if an employer wasn’t mandated to pay for unemployment he/she would likely offer higher salaries to their workers. If they didn’t do that, they would sell their products more cheaply to gain market share, so our goods and services would be cheaper. It all comes out in the end. If people are productive we all gain. If people are unproductive, we all lose.
          Goods and Services comprise the Real Economy. Money just facilitates trade. We could have all the money in the world, and if there was nothing to purchase with it, where would we be?
          Anything that encourages people to work harder is good for the economy, and anything that discourages them from working harder is bad for the economy. There is no economic system that even comes close to the encouragement that is offered by the Free Market, where people have ownership of the money they earn and voluntarily decide how and where they spend their money.

          • libertytrain

            DaveH – I’m not sure what she is seeing on her paycheck, but in SC, the state she lives in, employers pay the unemployment insurance and actually they pay less now because of the Fed gov. She may be seeing the employer’s portion owed or contributed listed on the check – I.E. (the percentage they are responsible for)because of the amount of amount they pay her, however that portion would not (shouldn’t be) be coming out of her check. She should add up all the deductions and see if it totals her wages before deductions.

          • Karolyn

            Liberty – It was when I worked in NJ. Some time ago.

          • libertytrain

            well either the company was doing something they weren’t supposed to do or NJ is unusual in that aspect. I didn’t check, you might as far as NJ goes – but it could just have been listed on your check for the reasons I mentioned above and not an actual deduction. I did payroll for years in different states and that’s my take on it.

      • Jeep

        Nooo…employers only pass the money from consumers on. Or, did you think the compnay profits payed for FICA? Noooo, that money is collected in higher consumer prices…dolt.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Because my son in law to be, puts his hand out, and they put the money into it, thus the reason the bum hasnt bothered to look for a job for over a year. His hand is out. He receives a hand out.

      • DaveH

        LOL.

  • Mick

    Karolyn says:
    December 22, 2010 at 7:43 am
    No, Robert, you can’t generalize. I don’t think that is the answer. I think the answer to all of our problems is in education.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.

    YEP….Anyone with a bit of sense can see how far this decades of expensive education got us, things are worse than ever and you and you liberal friends want to continue to beat the poor dead horse……….

    • Karolyn

      I’m talking about GOOD education.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Which for the most part, can now be attained only at a private school, which a lot of people cannot afford. The public school system is a failure, and their approach to it for years was to keep throwing money into it. That doesnt work. Its called holding people accountable for their actions, students, teachers, administrators. But it seems in this life, we arent allowed to hold anyone accountable for their own actions.

        • Karolyn

          There are places where it is happening. There just needs to be more focus and push on this.

          • Bitter Libertarian

            The key to good education is private or non public schools operated in a free market. The issue many have with Privatization is the “dark cloud of privatization” that circled over the ENRON scandal. Problem is many do not understand that there is a difference, and its not a little difference.

            Private schooling costs would actually go down as public schools were replaced because the schools would operate in a market that would allow the School costs to balance with the available private funds. As all the money taken from you through taxation was eliminated you then have those funds available for tuition.

            The ones who wouldn’t are those individuals living in areas NOT PAYING taxes yet their children are enrolled in school. In other words those parasites would not have contributed normally into the public fund and are now left to fend for themselves.

          • DaveH

            I agree with you, Bitter, that nobody should be able to ride on anybody else’s unwilling shoulders. But, given the present state on politics, we may not ever be able to achieve that kind of moral purity. So, I would settle for the Government issuing a set amount of money to be spent on each child, and then the parents would use that money to send their kids to the schools of their choice, no strings attached. Other than to provide that funding, the Government should completely butt out of curriculums or school choices.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Dave is absolutely correct. No doubt about it.

  • Bitter Libertarian

    Does this really suprise anyone? I mean really? I’m not a conspiracy or religion nut but its CLEAR to me that everything that has been done to our economy and to the American people DEFIES LOGIC and is clearly intended by those that ruel that we do not see.

    There is an adjenda and its playing out like a tune. We in the USA have only one thing to be curious about, and that is where our Bankrupt nation is going. If anyone thinks that the immediate future looks easy, peaceful, or “business as usual” is asleep, deluded or in denial.

    Nothing is going to stop the Juggernaut of financial/currency collapse and the terrible side effects that will pounce on the American people and the world at large.

    I dont pretend to know exactly what will happen but I gather infomation from multiple sources and even a few from the “dark side” (CFR, Trilatteral Comm, BB) and when you look and see how the USA is NOT mentioned as one of the key players in the Bible, you have to wonder if everything right now isnt setting the USA up to disappear from the world scene. My conclusion (right or wrong) is that the current events are the foundation for the USA NOT being a key player in the world. There are a few outcomes we face IMHO as a direct result of financial collapse:

    1-A partial financial/govt collapse resulting in a peaceful restructuring towards liberty. (unlikely IMHO but possible)
    2-Total collapse resulting in internal/external wars further collapse, third world status. Devastation so great the world backs off?
    3-Total collapse resulting in the disolving of the USA and ownership by a world Govt.

    There are no doubt other options but IMHO these are the big ones I could forsee.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      I think people think, especially those in power, that since we are so big and so powerful, that we will always be here. But bigger and stronger powers before us ruled, and they fell. Im talking about the Greek Empire, The Roman Empire, and the Medo-Persian Empire. They were huge and massive, and controlled everything. And as they grew and became more and more perverted and decandent, they eventually were destroyed by the hand of God delivering them over to their enemies. Why should be be any different? We turn away from Him, and push Him away, and keep distancing ourselves from Him. Why shouldnt He turn away from us and deliver us to our enemies? And your right, we arent listed in the Bible, we wont be a player in the end.

      • DaveH

        I don’t see it from a religious perspective, Beberoni. But, I do agree that decadence and sloth result in the eventual downfall of any society. How could it not? As more people engage in helping themselves to others wealth, the owners of the wealth of course give up and become slackers themselves. Why wouldn’t they? So, the numbers of productive people decline until there are too few productive people to support the society.
        We can see from Cuba, that leaders do no necessarily care about the suffering of their citizens as long as they themselves have it good. China does seem to have learned a little as they are allowing more economic freedom now, but it took lots of misery and 5 or 6 decades for them to start learning, and even then I attribute their new found wisdom to acquiring Hong Kong and learning from it’s decades of economic enlightenment.
        One problem that most of those empires suffered was that they had occupied so many other cultures, that they couldn’t afford to slack off or their enemies would eventually overrun them. Kind of like the US, right?

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          It seems Dave, that more and more, our most imminent threat is from within, not from outside our borders. And that is just wrong that our so called leaders have caused this. Lawyers.

    • ValDM

      You forgot one, but it may be because it’s so horrible to even contemplate: civil war. In that event, we will be fighting for food and shelter and these arguments on this site and others are all a moot point. I doesn’t matter who is right or left. The fact is that here we all are, and not doing anything to prevent this last and most horrible option. And if you don’t think that’s where we’re headed, get some more information. That’s just what our “leaders” are doing for us. Doesn’t matter, all it is now is spend, spend, spend. And I’m getting poorer every day (you too).

      • Bitter Libertarian

        If/when there is a Civil war it will NOT be as before it will be everywhere. Battle Lines, neutral areas, and safety zones will only exist after months or years of fighting. It will be neighbor against neighbor, town against town and people against people everywhere.
        I could be completely wrong but I believe that the goal of polarizing America on 100 different issues will be the fuel for allot of violence.

        For instance you may not get shot at because you support pro-choice but some commie will shoot at you because you dont support welfare.

        • DaveH

          For sure, and while their numbers may not be large they will be a formidable enemy because they are not constrained by moral issues like most of the Conservatives are. But regardless of who prevails we will all suffer greatly in the conflict. It would be pointless probably.
          The best course of action we can take is political action. Teach our children and our friends why Freedom is a much better alternative to that which is being pushed by so many these days.

  • Tim

    There are a few time worn sayings that apply.

    There are no free lunches.

    Follow the money.

    You can’t polish a turd.

    There are several economic models available. I just can’t seem to match one with the new Hope and Change model. You can’t use large deficits like buckets of water to buy your way out of a recession without plugging the holes. People need to work, unemployment benefits are a poor second place.

    This is everyone’s problem. So everyone needs to be partaking in the solution, not just the govt. The govt had some hard choices, and avoided them,,,

    The holes in the economy are;
    1) Unfair trade killing local manufacturing.
    2)Illegal aliens and their social liabilities.
    3)The Unions have not come to the table, they are resisting like a mutt going to the vet.
    4)Social investment for producing healthy workers and people for society generates positive knock ons. However they need to cut back on throwing money at people who don’t want to participate in the socio-economic system. The Soviets and Eastern Block never carried people (healthy of correct age) who didn’t work.
    5) Remove all these hidden taxes such as CRA and other such burdens that distort the market.
    6) Corporate taxes and govt bureaucracy are causing industrial migration.

    Focus on GM, halleluiahs for their resurrection – a good model of how the current administration has managed things. The bear representing unsustainable labour costs and other poor practices are still there. The bear has been fed and being in the living room and will get hungry again.

    I lived through the Zimbabwe mess, the American system is getting out of control.

    • Carlucci

      “You can’t polish a turd”?? I’ve never heard that one. I can’t stop laughing.

      • Bitter Libertarian

        You cant, but I’m sure that there is a Govt employee somewhere who has that job. Or there is a Grant out there to study the feasability of polishing them….

        • BobbyB

          You’re probably right!

        • Carlucci

          LOL !!!! You are probably right, Bitter Libertarian. (I’m a Libertarian, too). That will be next on FedZilla’s agenda. Creating a job to polish turds.

          I really enjoy this blog. Even though I don’t agree with everything people write, I love reading all the opinions.

          God bless you all, and Merry Christmas.

          • Bitter Libertarian

            merry Christmas & God bless Carlucci!

        • http://none Mike

          Bitter, Maby thats the next energy scam turds to electricity. Bio-Fuels taken to the extream. :) Mike L.

      • DaveH

        Carlucci,
        They had an episode of Myth Busters where they actually tried to polish a turd, lol.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      There is nothing free. Someone paid for it somewhere.

    • Dan az

      Tim
      There is a simple way to balance the budget watch this.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xezWd7VU2Ug&feature=player_embedded

  • nehope

    I would not like to differentiate between the two parties e.g. Democrats – Republicans. Almost everyone of the representatives of the “PEOPLE” do have one agenda – his or her own.
    If you belong to the many millions who work for a living, live by the law of the land and pay taxes – it seems that you are being screwed day in and day out. The present (and previous) Governments are not completely in command. Big money = POWER is the ruler. Unemployment is not just a phenomenon of the times, it is artificially created. Who is behind it and why, is something which many know, but the general public is unaware. High unemployment plays into the pockets of the Super Rich, they control the pockets of the politicians. It is, and has been, a power struggle between the Unions and the Capitalists. Who is the loser? The working class. One could quote hundreds of examples how the average person is being taken. Take the motor vehicle manufacturers. One year they are bankrupt, the next year they make millions. How is that possible? Well, have you ever read the fine print of your new car purchase warranty? This warranty and almost all other warranties issued by BIG INDUSTRY is designed to favor the manufacturer. I could go on, but what is the use? W.

  • TerW

    This see-sawing of 1 party being in power, then the other must stop! The only way to solve this problem is to get govt. out of citizens business! We need a reasonable flat, fair, tax for everyone to pay, regardless of the amount of money one makes. Why not pay $2.00 a head at the end of each year on every citizen, or resident living in this country, and have a reasonable sales tax thru out the yr.? Cut out ALL entitlement programs, charity should start at home, not the fed. govt. We are way over taxed, and regulated! The fed. govt. is like a doctor that makes people sick, so that the people will look to the doctor to give them medicine to make them well, but just enough that they need to keep going back for more medicine, (never truly healed)! To get out of debt, the spending MUST be stopped! Americans must get back on their feet, and become productive without meddling from the govt.
    The federal govt.does have guidelines they must follow it is called the Constitution! This is our form of government, when elected officials abuse their power it is the citizens responsibility to bring them back into alignment and hold them accountable.

  • isk of stupid sh t

    what would be the best way we as a people could stop this from continuing is one story I would like to read & know & there has to be a we we could all as a group to it

    • DaveH

      The best way has already been tried by our Founders, but the Political class found a way to subvert it.
      We need to get back to Individual Liberty, that is each adult individual should control his/her own bodies and property.
      We need to get back to Personal Responsibility, that is each person is responsible for their own mistakes.
      We need to get back to Free Markets where the consumer is king and buys or contracts freely that which they personally think is best for their own lives.
      And we need to get back to Limited Government, the main purpose of which would be to protect us from the force of others, and a few other functions such as coining money (from valuable metals, not paper). Instead Big Government has become the Forcers who we need protection from.

      • DaveH

        I have basically described the Platform of the Libertarian Party:
        http://www.lp.org/platform

      • JC

        Absolutely right my freedom minded friend.
        I could expand on that a little, but you’ve nailed all the building blocks of a prosperous society. :)

  • G

    To alleviate some confusion above. Unemployment Insurance is paid by the EMPLOYER. It adds up to the same amount witheld for FICA(SS), which is 6.2%(12.4%,in total). In accounting vernacular it is known as FUTA and SUTA. In my state 5.4% is attributed to SUTA(state), and .8% is FUTA(Fed.) Employees do not have this deducted, per se, from their paychecks, however, it is a cost of doing business, so it is factored into wage/salary, as well as goods/services rendered and sold.

    • Jeep

      G writes, “To alleviate some confusion…” I think you mean to add to the confusion. What is wrong with you people? Any tax…any tax…any tax confiscated by the govt from a business, no matter the purpose, is passed on to the consumer. Period. To say that a business “pays” the tax is a complete misnomer, and the wrong mindset. Businesses do NOT take taxes from their bottom line, they raise prices to the consumer to compensate, otherwise they will not be in business very long. Govt confiscation has driven consumer prices on ALL goods and services through the roof.

  • Jeep

    “To take from one because it is thought that his own industry and that of his father’s has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers, have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association — the guarantee to every one of a free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it.” – Thomas Jefferson, 1816.

    “Christmas has arrived with tax cuts for the rich…” – John Meyers, 2010.

    Class warfare is a tactic of the left.

    • Bruce D.

      I just really admire Jefferson. He and Franklin are my two favorites but most of the leaders of that day were great men.

    • DaveH

      Jeep,
      You pointed out something that I noticed too. Maybe John just mispoke, but I have noticed in most of his articles that he seems to lean a little to the left. But then, he did come from Canada, so maybe we should cut him a little slack.

      • Jeep

        Good point DaveH! Our Canadian friends do have a slightly different mindset! LOL

      • JC

        DaveH…Canada, like the US is “regional”. Geographically, Politically and Culturally. Like the US, eastern urban centers tend to lean more left, while western Canada tends to lean more libertarian. The province of Alberta (out west) where I am presently living, (originally Arizonan) has a pretty serious new political movement swinging to the right very quickly. Apart and aside from the traditional conservative party.
        And like the US, the major parties representing left and right are pretty much the same party doing pretty much the same thing. they take turns leading the waltz towards globalism.
        Western Canadians tend to be more entrepeneurial and freedom minded.
        (And they own guns LOL)

  • jopa

    The above story is so misleading and full of bull it will disappear from this page in a matter of a day or so.That seems to be the trend when so many liberals come out with the facts and shoot down the crap the author is trying to feed the readers.This site goes under the presumption if you tell lies enough times people actually believe them to be true.Good work my fellow Americans in bringing in the truth and keeping the anti-American agenda that is spewed out of the mouths of this site, the Taliban and the Republican regime.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      For the liberals to “shoot down the crap” as you say, they would have to shoot themselves, because they are the ones full of crap these days. And I do mean, full.

  • Ronald Johnston

    osama obama

  • Sprinklerman

    - You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.
    - You cannot streghten the weak by weakening the strong.
    - You cannot help little men by tearing down big men.
    - You cannot lift the wage earner by pulling down the wage payer.
    - You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich.
    - You cannot establish sound security on borrowed money.
    - You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred.
    - You cannot keep out of trouble by spending more than you earn.
    - You cannot build character and courage by destroying man’s initiative and independence.
    - You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they cannot and should do for themselves.

    William J. H. Boetcker

    • Bruce D.

      Wow! That is powerful.

      • Sprinklerman

        Published first in 1916 as far as I can tell.

        • DaveH

          Good post, Sprinklerman.

    • Bruce D.

      After thinking it over I could not see any points that Obama would agree with. Obama should have never made it as far as President or for that matter Senator. Even where he was a community organizer he was a failure. After pumping millions of federal dollars into his arera it is worst off today than before they received all that money.

      • kate8

        Only seriously warped minds are unable to see the truth and wisom in this.

        These words are empowering. Obama and the elites seek to disempower.

    • JeffH

      Sprinklerman, great quote! Thanks, if you don’t mind, I’m sending on through my emails.

    • Carlucci

      You left out “You can’t polish a turd.” Sorry – I couldn’t help it!!
      I’ve been laughing about that posting all day.

    • http://none Mike

      Hear Hear very well stated. Mike L.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Wow, as I read that, I saw the total opposite of what the Democratic Party stands for. They stand of everything opposite of your post, and thats bad, as any freedom loving American would have to agree with every thing on your post.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Its just that this administration is so asleep at the wheel, from top to bottom, that is plain dangerous to us. They havent a clue of what to do. Just yesterday now, comes out the news that Obama’s Intelligence Director, James Clapper, was totally unaware of the 12 Al Qaeda plotters that they arrested in London. They were asking him questions, and he didnt have a clue. Later he apologized for not knowing. Unbelievable. Hundreds of people knew, but our Intelligence Director didnt. That is insane. These guys are plain dangerouse and need to go as soon as possible.

    • DaveH

      Government has just gotten too damn Big. It didn’t start with Obama, but it sure isn’t going to end with Obama in power.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        It is growing with leaps and bounds under Obama. Government jobs are the ones he is bragging about creating. He is growing government as fast as he can.

  • CJM

    The Federal deficit is disgusting; everyone, it seems, wants to blame President Bush for the economic problems we now have. Truth of the matter is that this deficit problem has been on-going since Roosevelt took office; every President after him has contributed to the deficit, including the much-loved Hollywoodite Reagan. Obama, unfortunately, has been the greatest contributor to our economic downfall and he is quite clearly proud of this accomplishment. His agenda from the beginning was to destroy this country and what better way to do this than to price us out of the global market, rendering the US dollar impotent. Of all the Presidents we have had, none have ever been so anti-American as Obama has proven to be. He, himself, stated that he wanted to dismantle the Constitution–and given his track record, he is accomplishing that as well. People need to stand up against this affrontry to our Nation and impeach this enemy of the state.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      I dont know if I would say he is proud of it, as I dont think he even has a clue about the amount of debt he has added, and furthermore, I dont think he really cares. Its not his money he is spending. After all, when he is done reeking havoc on this country, he will collect his nice huge government pension the rest of his life, never have to pay an insurance premium or medical bill, so the rules of life dont apply to him, and he knows it, so he doesnt care. He is the classic elitist.

      • JeffH

        Berboni, this comment by Michelle Obama pretty much says volumes about his intentions.

        Michelle Obama referred to these words during her Democratic National Convention speech:

        “She said, ‘Barack stood up that day,’ talking about a visit to Chicago neighborhoods, ‘and spoke words that have stayed with me ever since. He talked about ‘The world as it is’ and ‘The world as it should be…’ And, ‘All of us driven by a simple belief that the world as it is just won’t do – that we have an obligation to, fight for the world as it should be.”

        Do you wonder who — or whose values — should determine what “the world… should be?”

        • Karolyn

          I would believe that those words meant a world of peace and love, as God would want it.

          • JeffH

            No Karolyn, what those words mean is a “redistribution of wealth” and a Global Government. Marxist 101 if you really cared. Quit being so naive and un-bury your head from the sand.

            The question to ask is Michelle Obama a Marxist or just seems to quote Marxism in her words? Her radical history certainly supports that. M.O. probably got the phrases from her husband, since he was hired by Jerry Kellman at one point early in his career. Kellman was an Alinsky protégé.

            “After college Barack Obama moved to Chicago to be part of the Jerry Kellman organization as a “community organize. Among the primary goals of Alinsky was radical socialism and redistribution of wealth. Alinsky taught his proteges to ‘HIDE’ their true goals by any means necessary. Lying was fine.

            Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals says: “The means-and-ends moralists, constantly obsessed with the ethics of the means used by the Have-Nots against the Haves, should search themselves as to their real political position. In fact, they are passive — but real — allies of the Haves…The most unethical of all means is the non-use of any means… The standards of judgment must be rooted in the whys and wherefores of life as it is lived, the world as it is, not our wished-for fantasy of the world as it should be.”

          • kate8

            Karolyn – A world of peace and love? Does any human even know what that would be? Every person has a different idea of what constitutes an acceptible world so, like JeffH said, who has the right to decide? It would seem to be whoever has the most power, now, doesn’t it.

            You have surely studied enough to understand that change only comes through acceptance of what IS, never through resistance. As in, what we resist persists.

            When we accept that things simply are, without judging whether it is as it SHOULD be, we are then free to live in the moment, which is all that exists, anyway. It is utterly useless to live in the past or the future, which is the carrot socialists use to dangle in front of the masses: The opposition is to blame for the past, for where we are, and we must sacrifice for a better future.

            Well, guess what? The future never comes, because it’s all eternal now. That is why Yeshua said not to worry about the future, that today’s conditions are enough to deal with. Live well today, and tomorrow takes care of itself.

            It is obvious that you would not want to live the way I would have you live. Well, I shudder at having your vision of life’s ideal forced on me.

            It is also obvious that you don’t feel we should all be free to choose for ourselves. So what’s your answer?

            BTW, we can never be free as long as we feel victimized by society, or whoever we perceive to keep us from experiencing life as we want it. While I understand that there are those in power who are hell-bent in forcing tyranny upon us, I will never allow myself to claim victimhood, because then I am a slave. I believe that our best answer is to accept our own responsibility for where we are today, and to decide just what we choose to stand for. All I have can be taken from me, but as long as I stand firm in who I am and live accordingly, taking responsibility for my choices, there is no one else to blame.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Kate8, My Mother had a similar saying, it is “Yesterday is Gone, Today is Here and Tomorrow will fend for itself!__All we really have is this moment!

          • Karolyn

            Kate – Why is it obvious that I “don’t feel we should all be free to choose for ourselves?” I fully agree with everything you said other than that. All we really have is right now. If we all got in touch with who we really are, there would be no questions, only answers. Most people do not choose to find out who they really are, and it is not for me to insist that they do. I only feel sorry for them, that they are missing so much in the journey alone. I am still a baby, but I have found more peace than I have ever known in my life. Of course, I am human, and some things do upset me, especially man’s inhumanity to man and animals. However, I fully support everyone’s right to be wrong. :-) I believe our only purpose on earth is to be joyful and help each other. I have no vision for how I would have you or anyone else live – just that it be in peace harmony, which I wish for everyone. I really don’t get your implication.

          • kate8

            Karolyn – You say that you agree, yet you continue to support the current PTB, including Obama and his wife, who seek to take away our choices.

            All I’m saying is that we should walk our talk. If you believe we should be free, but support those who want to tell us how to live, then you do not believe in freedom.

            If you support wealth redistribution, then you believe that we should all be slaves. Because of a man’s wealth is allowed him only by the discretion of government, then none of us are free.

          • JeffH

            kate8, good explanation, reasoning and patience.

          • Karolyn

            Kate – I am free to do whatever I want. I simply cannot espouse all of the conjecture that comes out of your mouth and the others you are in agreement with. I am awarae of the theories but am still skeptical. I choose to believe in the good in all people. I don’t like all the laws that have come about. I won’t even wear a seatbelt unless I’m riding with someone who wants me to or if I see a cop. I think that many of the laws designed to protect us are ridiculous. However, I still do not see us being sent to “FEMA Camps” and some of the other ridiculous rumors I hear on this site. I do understand where you come from; however, my beliefs do not allow for me to swallow it all. I get tired of the gloom and doom; and if I wasn’t such a curious person, would probably stop listening to the news at all. I still like to be informed. I will always believe that negativity begets negativity and vice versa. Some of my views have changed a bit since joining in on these discussions; and this is good, since despite what some might still believe about me, I do have an open and inquiring mind. I have learned a lot in the months I’ve been participating. However, it does get a bit tiring being ridiculed, judged and called names by people who don’t even know who they’re talking to. We are all brothers and sisters and citizens of the world. The United States is not in this alone and cannot be isolated from the rest of the world.

          • JeffH

            Karolyn says: “However, it does get a bit tiring being ridiculed, judged and called names by people who don’t even know who they’re talking to.”

            Welcome to the club. You’re just as guilty as anybody else and have done your share of judging and ridiculing, although name calling isn’t one of your strengths you have done that also without being prompted to do so. You always tend to have a strong programmed liberal response to your responses and are most definitely in tune to the leftist MSM propaganda that is espoused daily. You say you have an open mind, but based on your consistant banter I highly doubt it.

            I’d rather be wrong about all of the problems we face than be naive or overtrusting and end up blindsided and unprepared. You can see the possible threats that face America if you choose to believe the information that’s available thru the internet, information that Obama and his puppeteers don’t want you to see, but that’s up to you and no one else. I’m quite sure that most in our government are the problem…it’s up to you what you want to believe or not. The Utopia you wish for isn’t on this earth no matter what course you choose to follow.

    • DaveH

      Please don’t blame Reagan for any of this. He did his best, but he was outnumbered even by Big Government lovers in his own party. Reagan vetoed more Bills than any other president in my adult life. He was just overwhelmed by Democrats and by many in his own Republican party.

  • hunter

    All obomba has done is put a bandaid on a pressure cooker, it won’t hold. It has only worked in the past, somewhat, putting off the inevitable. This time is diffrent, before we had manufacturing jobs that created wealth, products, encouraged technology, substance of life. Today the jobs are gone to foreign countries that don’t share our way of life, in fact are out to destroy it. All the while our leaders are doing all they can things that will make the inevitable even worse than it would have been had all the banks failed. At least America could have began over from scratch. Sure it would have been hell on earth….But now we still face the same bitter medicine to have to swallow….but now the patient is far weaker. Thanks a lot obomba and the harvurd school of idiots!

  • Sprinklerman

    “[C]ommercial shackles are generally unjust, oppressive and impolitic. …[I]f industry and labour are left to take their own course, they will generally be directed to those objects which are the most productive, and this in a more certain and direct manner than the wisdom of the most enlightened legislature could point out.”

    –James Madison, speech to Congress, 9 April 1789

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    This administration is practicing following what opinion polls tell them, and that is a fact. And as Margaret Thatcher once said, “If you are guided by opinion polls,you are not practicing leadership— you are practicing followship. That is where we are at right now.

  • Sprinklerman

    “[W]hy give through agents whom we know not, to persons whom we know not, and in countries from which we get no account, where we can do it at short hand, to objects under our eye, through agents we know, and to supply wants we see?” –Thomas Jefferson, letter to Michael Megear, 1823

  • Sprinklerman

    As for our present POTUS and that of William Jefferson Clinton…

    “It is of great importance to set a resolution, not to be shaken, never to tell an untruth. There is no vice so mean, so pitiful, so contemptible; and he who permits himself to tell a lie once, finds it much easier to do it a second and a third time, till at length it becomes habitual; he tells lies without attending to it, and truths without the world’s believing him. This falsehood of the tongue leads to that of the heart, and in time depraves all its good disposition.”

    –Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, 19 August 1785

  • Sprinklerman

    To those who choose to take Unemployement Insurance and Welfare;

    “I think we have more machinery of government than is necessary, too many parasites living on the labor of the industrious.”

    –Thomas Jefferson, letter to Thomas Cooper, 29 November 1802

  • Les

    Obama is a great hero among ex-presidents. He rescued: Carter from being the worst president in history; Johnson from being the most arrogant; Bush from being the biggest debt creator; Lincoln from being the worst Constitution eroder and etc. He’s a hero. Now shut up, eat your mush and get to work; China wants it’s money back. Did we mention the 14 trillion in Federal debt? Oh, yeah, but what of the 13.3 (and counting) in give away cash from the Fed just exposed this month by Paul, or the , yet to be revealed, $200 trillion accumulated, or the somewhere around $200 Trillion bonds. We won’t talk our way out of this one.

    • Bitter Libertarian

      I agree we wont talk our way out of this…we could very well find ourselvs in debt servitude as never imagined with Nuclear weapons pointed at our heads being told; “pay it off or we nuke you”. Think it cant happen? Think it wont happen? Anything is possible here! We are entering a time that is so insane its not even comprehendable in many ways…

      • Jeep

        Putin is already making demands reference the START treaty that would have been unheard of with any former president (save maybe Carter). Unbelievable that we would cowtow to a country we buried economically just 35 years ago.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      And now Clinton isnt the only black president. Oh wait, I forgot, he lied about that too.

  • EDDO

    I DON’T CARE WHO YOU ARE, A NEWSLETTER WRITER, AN ECONOMIST, A FIREMAN, POLICEMAN, BANKER,
    MAN ON THE STREET, TALK SHOW HOST, ETC. IF WE DO NOT STOP FALLING INTO THE TRAP SET BY THE
    POLITICAL ELITE BY REFERRING TO US AMERICANS AS “RICH, UN-EMPLOYED, MIDDLE-CLASS, POOR,
    WHITE, BLACK, BLUE-COLLAR, AND SO ON AND SO ON” WE WILL WRITE OUR OWN DEATH CERTIFICATE.
    WE ARE AMERICANS, ONE AND ALL (I AM SPEAKING OF OUR CITIZENS) AND WHAT IS GOOD FOR ONE, IS
    GOOD FOR AMERICA. WHY SHOULD ANY “GROUP” BE TREATED DIFFERENTLY THAN THE REST? A FLAT
    TAX FOR EVERYONE. THE SAME REGULATIONS (WHICH I HATE) FOR ALL, NO MORE NAACP OR N.O.W.
    SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS JUST FUEL THE FIRE OF ‘DIVIDE AND CONQUER’ AND ‘SPEND FOR ALL FOR
    DIFFERENT REASONS’ IN ORDER TO NAIL DOWN THE VOTING BASE(S) FOR THE ELECTED POLITICIANS. IT IS KNOWN AS “PORK” OR “EARMARKS”. ANYONE, YOU TOO JOHN MEYERS, WHO REFERS TO THE “RICH”
    OR THE “POOR” OR THE “UN-EMPLOYED”, etc., ARE JUST PLAYING INTO THE HANDS OF THE PROGRESSIVES WHO WANT OUR NATION TO BE JUST LIKE THE REST OF THE SOCIALIST COUNTRIES OF THE WORLD. THAT IS NOT A PRETTY PICTURE. WE WERE JUST AMERICANS WHEN OUR COUNTRY
    WAS FOUNDED AND THEN A COUPLE OF WARS LATER WE REALLY CONSOLIDATED OUR NATIONALISM,
    BUT NOW THE BUZZ WORDS LIKE PROGRESSIVES, SOCIALISTS, MARXISTS AND LIKE THOSE USED TO
    DIVIDE OUR CITIZENS BY COLOR, RACE, ECCONOMIC STATUS, WORK STATUS , etc., REALLY DO DAMAGE OUR NATIONALISM AND OUR FOCUS ON “WE THE PEOPLE” OF THIS UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
    JOIN ME, JOHN AND THE REST, IN MAKING A CONCERTED EFFORT TO ELIMINATE THESE DIVISIONS.

    • Bitter Libertarian

      before you can eliminate the symptoms, you MUST eliminate the cause.

  • Linda

    I think if we start rejecting Obamas handouts and tax cuts maybe that would begin to put a stop to it. I think most of us are in the same boat so the few that do accept them may slow progress some but not completely kill our movement. I really can’t believe someone hasn’t tryied to assasinate Obama by now. As horrible as this may sound, that is another sign of our weakening. I think everyone ought to just march their little asses to Washington on the same day and see how that can cause major chaos. All the big corporations leaking money out of our pockets would loose millions, billions. Impeach him for lack of knowledge to successfully run our country. People have been moved by lessor things!

    • JeffH

      Linda, “loose lips sink ships”. Be careful what you say. Your “I really can’t believe someone hasn’t tryied” comment will only raise flags and bring potential unwanted norice to yourself.

      • Jeep

        Linda, that’s very good advice coming from JeffH. Such talk is really unecessary, we still have a Constitution to remedy problems. It has not come to an extreme ciscumstance yet, and probably will not. Keep your head screwed on straight and do not lose faith. America will survive and prosper again.

        • Jeep

          man, my proofreading skills must need some brushing up…”ciscumstance” should read circumstance.

          • JeffH

            LOL…at least it wasn’t circumsission…LMAO!

          • Jeep

            OMG…ROFLMAO!!!

    • Claire

      How disgusting that anyone in their right mind would even suggest or think such a thing. I don’t want to see or have any President of the United States assasinated. How hateful, how evil. There are too many nuts out there as it is. Why put any more evil thoughts into their brains–if they have any. Too many loose screws-too many hatemongers. Enough is enough. Go ahead and post your comments, your opinions, etc. but why flap your gums about evil?

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Relax Claire, there isnt anyone stupid enough to assinate this guy. That would be the stupidest thing ever. I mean come one, he took out the perfect insurance policy to prevent that. Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton and Nancy Pelosi. Are you kidding me? Not a chance.

        • Claire

          Beberoni–I would not want to see those people “take over” —it is the other problem that concerns me. I hope you are correct–

  • MaryH

    Ron, Right on. BIG GOVT.that’s the name of the game. They could fire
    200 people from the govt. payroll, and the govt. would still be as
    efficient as it is now —IF you call it efficient. We are spending
    ourselves into oblivion, and the “TRAIN” is too far along the track
    to reverse course in time to save us. God help us all.

    • http://yahoo Bob

      Linda needs to be reported, to the FBI.

      • Bitter Libertarian

        That is way off base. Her statement should easily be viewed as suprise that someone hasnt attempted it due to the nations demise, nothing more. Keep the drama level realistic please.

      • JeffH

        Bob, maybe you should give them a call. Here’s the number so you won’t have to look it up…911…or 1-877-FBI-SNITCH…

        • Jeep

          Or, you could call TSA at 1-800-MY HAND IS UP YOUR BUTT…

      • JC

        Really Bob?
        As a disinterested observer and considering what the kenyan has been doing to our country…
        I’m also “surprised” that some nut hasn’t tried to kill him.
        Guess you better report me too…
        There you go…run to mommy.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Even nuts dont want to be led by Biden, Hillary or Pelosi. See what I mean?

          • JC

            Indeed I do. ;)

  • Linda

    I have to disagree with your opinion on the tax cuts and HANDOUTS TO THE UNEMPLOED. I think it is a very sad time for middle-class Americans and the republicans want too kick us while were down. The way things are going, I have too say I have come to disrespect the republican for their disregard of the people who voted for them. Republicans have lost their identity to the tea party, for the 1st time I have to agree with Sarah Palin, ” the republicans are gutless wimps “. The republicans are being controlled be the tea party, I find that absolutely shameful.

    • Jeep

      What part do you not like Linda? Smaller govt, fewer entitlements, lowering taxes or less regulation? All of which are espoused by most TEA Party members. Try to wrap your mind around this, there is no national TEA Party. Those “members” are a very loose knit group with similar ideals that have adopted the same name. Nothing more, nothing less. How much more grass roots can you get? And, if you’re going to quote Palin, put it in context…she was referring to the fact that the Republican’s caved on some issues that are against the core values of the party. But, don’t concern yourself with the fact that the majority of American’s identify themselves as more conservative.

      • JeffH

        Jeep, well said. Too many just can’t or don’t have the ability to seperate the grassroots of the Tea Party from the “fake” national wannabees.

        In 2008, nobody really ran their political campaigns as “conservative” but look what happened during the 2010 mid-terms. All of a sudden just about every incumbent Republican was running as a “conservative” despite what their records showed. Some people can’t even grasp that the Republicans were elected because of the Democrats socialist agenda and failures.

        Republicans have been put on notice and look for more drastic changes come 2012…if we can hold out that long.

  • DaveH

    For those that think the Republicans are on our side:
    http://healthfreedoms.org/2010/12/21/republicans-democrats-collude-to-pass-food-safety-bill/

    End this 2 party scam against our Freedom. For Individual Liberty, Personal Responsibility, Free Markets, and Limited Government, Vote Libertarian!

  • Charlie

    For all talking about taxes… Bob L. just stated “Using words spoken by Beardsley Ruml, chairman of the New York Federal Reserve from 1941 to 1946, we can dispel the widely believed myth that income taxes are needed for government income. Income taxes have nothing to do with providing income to the government.
    In a famous speech he read before the American Bar Association during the last year of World War II, titled Taxes for Revenue Are Obsolete, Ruml said, “The necessity for a government to tax in order to maintain both its independence and its solvency is true for state and local governments, but it is not true for a national government.”
    The speech was originally printed in American Affairs in the January, 1946 issue. The editor of American Affairs wrote: “His (Ruml’s) thesis is that given (1) control of a central banking system and (2)an inconvertible currency, a sovereign national government is finally free of money worries and need no longer levy taxes for the purpose of providing itself with revenue. All taxation, therefore,should be regarded from the point of view of social and economic consequences.”
    We are taxed to the point of being abused and what for?
    All I view is Government over spending! Trillions in debt is not the American way We teach our children you cant spend what you dont have, Now tell me how does this work? results?Our educational system is a failure, as is everything else the government runs, , like social security, broke and busted, medicare and medicaid, broke and busted. The US postal service, broke and busted. The school system is broke and busted. And now the health care system. That just cost trillions and hit the seniors hard.Plus Mr Clinton double dipping the seniors income on more taxes as they already had taken out! Obama’s health care reform and the tax increases that will be necessary to finance them as “a threat to individual families’ $569 billion in higher taxes;$529 billion in cuts to to Medicare;
    Swelling of the ranks of Medicaid by 16 million;17 major insurance mandates; The rights to break the Amendments and our Constitution takes great audasity. Truly the lack of wisdom! These are also a threat to the nation’s economic strength, contribute to the financial crisis, and vastly increase the federal debt that economists predict will add to the already existing mountain of debt that promises to burden generations of Americans into the foreseeable future. Where are all you Brilliant Christian leaders Yes we have change and its all for the worst> this is Gods Victory Only . Merry Christmas and lets all pray for Peace and growth for USA and the Americans citizens.

    • Donald

      Ruml was advocating a system of paying for government expenses by printing money. Needless to say, that leads to INFLATION.

      • Bitter Libertarian

        Fractional reserve Banking leads to Inflation as well yet Americans have no problem with that.

  • Raggs

    Is it 2012 yet?

  • LiarsMustBeDefeated

    There needs to be a penalty for lying. Go to your corners! Now!

  • FreedomFighter

    Merry Christmas!

    or whatever.

    The last 100 years or so, America is being assaulted for takeover “change” by marxist evil. Everything wrong with America now is a direct result of the curruption of the constitution by the left under whatever name/label they give themselves.

    Obama is trying to finish the job for the “sinistra”.

    They win freedom in the world dies.

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

  • Karolyn

    Kat – You said “Karolyn is another example of victim mentality. For all her spouting about seeing the positive and creating one’s own reality, I don’t see her walking her talk at all.” If you could explain, I might be able to understand. You really don’t know as much about me as you think you do. How can you come to such a conclusion? I am puzzled. I also am surprised, since this is the first time I believe I have seen you “attacking” someone on this list by name.

    • Karolyn

      Kate – I don’t know how this got down here. It was meant as a response to a post up above.

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Virginia

    This is the most uninformed bunch of talking heads I have read on any blog! You’re talking like we have a legitimate president who really cares about the people (any people)! Why don’t you get informed to what is really going on. This is the biggest perpretrated fraud over the American people in history. Obummer is not ignorant! He is implementing exactly what is needed to overthrow our government as initially put in place by George Soros and his trillions of $s. Obummer is only a puppet. Do your research and you will find that Soros’ money is behind any unscruptulous organizations funding that sponsors anything that Obummer wants to push through. That this is “an emergency”, and if not pushed through (the world will end). Example:your grandmother will be eating dog food, etc.! George Soros has stated that he will destroy the United States because he hates it! He caused the bankruptcy of places like London and Africa, (Bank of London, Zambabwe)and others, to see if his plan would work. Those were his trial balloons. It worked – then he set his sights on the United States of America. It’s all about a one world order. That’s what the United Nations is all about! Wake up people. It’s more dangerous than you think! Get out of your comfort zones and find out while you still can, what is really going on. What do you think “taking over the Internet” is all about? Little-by-little your freedoms are being taken away! And you don’t even know it! You people are way behind the times – Get up to speed! And you Obummer lovers – you are going to be the most hurt. Because you believed his lies! OR you do want One World Order! Everything taking place is by design. TIME TO GET RID OF THE IMPOSTER! AND I have’nt even gotten into the situation of Muslims that have infiltrated our own government, thanks to our “political correctness” idiots in power, in Washington. I hope you’ll consider doing real research before spouting off.

    • JeffH

      Virginia says:
      December 22, 2010 at 3:06 pm
      This is the most uninformed bunch of talking heads I have read on any blog!

      Well, Virginia, you just haven’t been around long enough.
      Now I have questions for you, Is George Soros the main man? Does he act alone and independently for himself or is he closely associated with or working for any other elitests? Who’s really the power behind the power of George Soros?

      I need just one “family” name and you very well could win the prize.

    • DaveH

      Virginia, and you aren’t? You are casting a wide net with your accusation that we are all uninformed. That is a bit presumptuous, don’t you think?

  • Donald

    After all the comments on this site that Obama is a Socialist, A Communist, or worse, we are now told “he is a friend of the rich”. First I ever heard that communists were friends of the rich. Very interesting!!!

    • DaveH

      First of all, I don’t know that Obama is a Communist, although the evidence seems to lean in that direction. But if he were, of course he would use the Rich as a useful tool to achieve his goals. Why not? As the saying goes “politics makes strange bedfellows”.

    • http://none Mike

      Donald, Just look to the founding of communisim in Russia. You get a good example of how they first befrinded the rich. Then once the goals were established they were expendable. Mike L.

    • JC

      In Communist countries, Communist governments are the only real capitalists. Naturally they need rich friends. Who else would they party with? LOL

    • MashedTaters

      You do not know as much history as some here do. Funding is essential especially at the second stage. The rich are often easy converts because they grave the governments authority and power over the money.

  • Will-CA

    Just want to wish everyone here a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. Thank you all for your entertaining and educational post.

  • American Citizen

    This lame duck Congress is nothing but a bunch of robber barons.

    • http://none Mike

      Citizen, Not just the lame ducks. They all seem to think its their money first. And we are granted some of it for our labors. No they want to lower our allowence even more. And if we fuss its time to diciplin us. Mike L.

  • Joseph

    “Today there are thousands of people who are losing their homes, farms, and businesses because they do not understand the meaning of credit. This letter will explain the difference between money and credit and will show you how the banks create “credit” and pretend that it is “money”. The mystery of how the banks deceptively carry on this practice will be revealed as well as the legal basis which will enable you to fight back by suing banks on fraud and usury charges. The devil himself would call this “forbidden knowledge”.

    For a long time monetary debate has centered around two distinct issues: that Constitional money is gold and silver coin; and that the dollar is defined by the Mint Act of 1972, and that a Federal Reserve Note is not a dollar. The third area has not been discussed much because it is not as well understood. It is the most important issue of all because 97% of our money supply today consists of bank credit whereas Federal Reserve Notes and coins consist of less than 3%. Today every bank loan in the United States can be legally voided because it is based on credit instead of money! {But then the digital economy would disappear.}

    Credit is the opposite of money. Money is legal tender for the payment of debts as defined by Congress in 31 U.S.C.A. Sec 392. This section basically describes all coins and currency issued by the U.S. government as legal tender for all debts, public and private. For purposes of this letter we will call money as either coins or currency. No effort will be made here to argue that Federal Reserve Notes are unconstitutional; that is beyond the scope of this letter. Now if you went to an auto dealer who offered to sell you a car with no money down you might say your credit is good. What exactly does that mean? It means that your promise to pay money in monthly installments is good. In other words he trusts you. You sign a loan agreement in which you pledge the auto as collateral for the security agreement. In other words the auto dealer has accepted your credit, your promise to pay, in exchange for the auto.

    Consider how different the bank loan is. When you apply for a bank loan you sign a loan agreement pledging to pay the bank so many dollars with interest. When the bank accepts your promise to pay, in exchange for a loan, it means your credit is good. However; the next question is the most interesting. What does the bank loan you? Well, the bank will invariably give you a check which is also a “promise to pay” YOU so many dollars, with interest. What you and the bank have done is exchange “promises to pay”. In other words you have accepted each others credit, and yet no money has exchanged hands.

    Now what do you do with the check? Probably one of two things: either you deposit it in your checking account or you bring it to your car dealer. In either instance, the check when deposited goes directly to the bookkeeping department, where the numbers are transferred from the check and are added to your account in the bookkeeping department. Once this bookkeeping entry is made a bank will say that its deposits have increased. Actually, this fictional increase is all on the books, as there is no increase in the actual amount of money in the banks vault. All of these bookkeeping deposits are called “demand deposits” which means that the customer can literally walk into the bank and demand the deposit. These figures are placed into the bank’s liabilities column as this is the money which the bank owes the people.

    Now, what do you think the bank’s assets really are? Well, it is a small amount of vault cash plus a large amount of IOU’s, which are all those loan agreements people sign when they signed those loan papers. All those promises are their assets. Thus these assets are all on paper. All this amounts to is a transfer of numbers or book entries from one checking account to another. The same thing happens when you write a check. Numbers called “dollars” are transferred from your checking account to someone else’s. When a credit card is used, bank credit or book entries are created and transferred to another person at the same time.

    The next question is, if it’s so easy for a bank to create “credit”, which is used like money, how then is this “credit” destroyed? The “credit” is destroyed when the principle of the loan is repaid. However; the interest collected by the bank on the “credit” it loaned, is transferred , to another account for distribution to its stock-holders. What happens is that because 97% of the so-called Nations money supply consist of “credit” which is all created by private corporations {banks}, and because interest is charged on every dollar of “credit” used, debts are constantly created for which no money or “credit” exists to repay these debts. Hence our money system can be best described as a “debt usury” money system, for every dollar of credit which comes into existence, a debt is created to the banks and interest {usury} is charged. Under our present money system, the Federal government will never be able to balance its budget and the national debt will continue to grow by leaps and bounds. If every person in the U.S. men, women and children paid $42,000.00 each, the national debt would start to balance. However; don’t despair, for every bank loan made in the United States today is illegal since all bank loans are based on “credit” instead of “money”!

    Loans are Ultra Vires. The words “ultra vires” are important words because they mean that “a contract made by a corporation beyond the scope of its corporate powers is unlawful”. {See Black’s Law Dictionary}. The courts have consistently ruled that banks cannot lend their credit, but can only lend their money and that all loans of credit are ultra vires or unlawful. The bank by loaning credit, has unjustly enriched itself. It pays no interest for the use of its credit but charges its customers the same amount of interest as if it loaned out its money. It is a racket and con game to say the least. It is deception and fraud. The collection of interest on credit is in violation of all usury laws. After all, the bank is collecting interest on money which doesn’t exist. It is little wonder that as more Americans are getting to understand this issue, they are suing banks on fraud and usury charges. Oh, but wait, it gets even better.

    There are over two trillion dollars worth of illegal bank loans out there waiting to be challenged. This is a much better alternative than bankruptcy since you get a chance to void the bank loans and keep your property at the same time. Anyone can walk off his property and let the bank have it, but to do so is to reward them for their fraudulent acts. It would be much better to sue the bank on fraud and usury charges and ask that all contracts which you signed on the day you took out the loan be declared “Ultra Vires” null and void. That includes deeds of trusts, mortgages, notes and security agreements. For a long time, patriots have been writing to their Congressmen asking them to give us an honest money system without extortionate interest rates and they have ignored us. They won’t ignore us much longer however when thousands of banks start getting sued on fraud charges and the big money men on Wall Street get indicted. Christ drove the money changers from the temple 2,000 years ago when Rome was under a Socialist Rule, and still all of the ministers today only give the congregation half the truth. Christ did not want his word sold but he also said do not encourage the Beast Empire, Owe no man nothing, {The Federal Reserve Note is an I.O.U.}, and not to participate in usury. Yet all of the ministers today are involved in “Money Usury” with the banking system. But after all it’s not the ministers money that gets used, it’s the tithing money that gets used.

    We the people can make churches and the banking system honest if we eliminate “Fractional Reserve” procedures and institute a fully funded State Banking System. To do this we will have to legitimate the fictitious Federal Reserve System. But so what!! If then we replace it with an Association of State Treasurers we can “recycle” our national currency throughout our economy, and then, in the normal course of business. We can support the government, liquidate the debt, and eliminate taxes. From then on we won’t have to worry about loop holes and tax rates. From then on life would be like Christmas every day!!”

    For more information visit:
    http://www.lectlaw.com/files/ban11.htm and do a web search for “Jerome Daly Credit River”.

    “And with that in mind, please remember that it was Nancy Pelosi that said in a recent speech… “Let’s get that Health Care Bill passed so we can find out what’s in it.”

    God Bless You.

    • MashedTaters

      A bank’s assets are it’s physical facilities, cash on hand, deposits, and tangible assets which does not include the items such as good will. A bank’s major liabilities are its CD’s and debt instruments to other banks.

      Great Americans are always trying to come up with a scheme to beat a bank or beat the IRS. To beat a bank you just do not take a loan from them. To beat the IRS, you just never spend more than the amount alloted as a personal deduction. Otherwise, you are going to be disappointed.

      Gold and silver are no longer the basis for a national currency because as the post says, only a few billion in value is traded daily for gold. Not enough to run a world economy.

      The value behind a dollar is the US’s assets and people that produce. So, get a job that makes something that will sell and stop borrowing money and playing the victim.

  • ridge runner

    I see john meyers is beating on the tax cuts for the so called rich.This country was built on the idea of freedom to be able to work hard and be able to make some thing for your self.if a person makes it legaly it should be his not every tom,dick and harry that wants some of it.the american government has be come one of biggest bunch of damn thives in the world.They have taxed and regulated too many business out of busines,that is why we are importimg a hellof lot more than we export they have moved over seasto a more healthy inviroment.Less bull shit to put with. they have bloated the government out of porportion to the american peopletoo many chiefs for the amount of indians.athe government has became the biggest consumer of the american wealth. If this doesn’t change we are done for as anation defunct dead and sunk

  • Karolyn

    MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYBODY!

    • JeffH

      Karolyn, Merry Christmas and have a safe and Happy New Year. I wish you well in 2011.

  • John Martin

    OH come on! Make up your minds people. Is Obama a socialist or a corporate stooge? You can’t have it both ways. Liberals hate the tax cut deal too- but there’s no denying it was forced on Obama by the real corporate stooges- the Republicans. They all but hijacked the Senate until they made sure their rich friends would get tax cuts. If you want to be angry- write to your Republican senator!

    • JeffH

      Obama is a Marxist/socialist/communist and a stooge for the very elitists controlling the worlds financial devastation. Democrats? Republicans? Really! Very little difference between the two.
      The Dems obviously got their notice and the Republicans are on notice…so your point is? Keep hammering them all!

    • Jeep

      John, put away the class warfare nonsense. It is getting old, and was lame to start. As I have stated earlier, there are no such things as “tax cuts”, only a tax policy that allows AMERICAN’s to keep more of what they earn (including the rich, they are American’s too.) Of course, the petty and jealous liberals did not like the compromise, well, frankly because they are envious and want to take money from the “haves”. You people are certifiable. You are not fit for a civilized society. The difference between you and a petty thief is the law. You would change the law to making thievery through taxation legal. It’s still stealing. We already have an unfair tax system that the top 2% pay for. You would steal more.

      The answer is simple…cut govt spending. Period. If you cannot afford it, don’t buy it. What is wrong with you people? Do you run your household budget this way? If all you can afford is a used car, do you say, “to heck with it” and whip out another credit card? Is govt so different? Not really. If the govt cannot pay for it, we probably don’t need it. And, before you spew out the stupid, “But, what about the police, and fire?” Don’t be ignorant, did I say ELIMINATE govt spending, noooo, I said cut govt spending. Do we really need another govt survey of the Monarch butterfly? Catch a clue, this is not a tax problem, it’s a spending problem that crosses party lines.

  • John Martin

    Ahh Jeff, I knew someone would come through. I thought my point was very clear: you can’t be a socialist AND a corporatist. If you’re going to hate on Obama, then you have to pick one. Is his goal to nationalise the nation’s industry to usher in a dictatorship of the proletariat or is he trying to fortify corporate America and at the expense of the common man? You see what I’m saying? The anti-Obama rhetoric has gotten a little confused lately, trying to portray the President as BOTH a socialist and a corporate stooge, when obviously that’s impossible.

    • Jeep

      John, not to split too many hairs…but, this administration (Oman in particular) strikes me as very socialist in a Nazi Germany style govt. (Stop…stop…stop, I am not calling him a Nazi!)

      See if this doesn’t ring a bell. The German socialist party realized that financing utopia is very expensive to start. In response to economic reality, they created an unholy alliance with big corporations and helped to edge out unwanted small/medium sized businesses throughout the late 20′s and into the 30′s. As late as 1945 the Nazi govt was favoring a few large corporations that kept the war machine turning. So, in a sense, one can be a socialist and a corporate pragmatist.

      Put this into terms today, and it is clear that Oman seeks to redistibute personal wealth, meanwhile he is clearly being financed by and issuing favors to wall street. There is an unprecedented war being waged on small business, while a few major corporations have been receiving the largess of govt to the tune of billions. People may not have the background on why this prez is a socialist, yet acts like a corporatist, but the case can be made by looking at the evidence that, at least for now, both may be true. He knows that utopia can be costly.

      • MashedTaters

        John you are not splitting hairs. Ideas such as ride a dead horse till he actually dies and there comes a time to make new friends and despose of the old come to mind. These fascist liberals cannot in general fund their own ideas. They need the big corporations at least for a while. The really large corporation operate in a communist manner anyway internally. Each cog does his/her job according to the master plan and costs are apportioned to all equally. Profitable divisions support the less or non profit for now divisions. All that government wants is in there. Health care, maturnity care, pensions, and so on are provided by the large corps till the bust out. I am always amazed at the liberal attack on large corps when it is usually the small LLC’s that abuse staff and the law.

        If these liberals are able to break the wealth, they will then turn on their supporters and destroy them like the communists did the Monks and VC in ‘Nam after reunionification.

    • JeffH

      John, a little refresher course for you.

      STOOGE definition; somebody exploited, somebody who is exploited by others, especially somebody used by criminals in committing their crimes

      I’m sure you can now figure out where Obama fits in.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Merry Christmas to all, and to all, a good night.

    • Jeep

      Thanks Beberoni, and may you have a Happy New Year!

  • http://aol Raymond

    All this blabber about who’s fault– WELL, stop and REMEMBER when our jobs went and where==OVER SEAS== MR X-President==BILL CLINTON, and WE THE STUPID PEOPLE let him do it, SOOOO, who is to blame YOU & I ….

    • who cares

      Blame Reagan he was the first to allowed jobs move out of country he started the domino affect. wikipedia

  • http://aol Raymond

    NUFF SAID !!!!!

  • http://gunner689 gunner689

    Mr. Soros meet Mr. Nosler. he’ll give you a real Christmas present, one that will blow your mind.

  • http://Yahoo Janet Reynolds

    First, if President Bush hadn’t allowed outsourcing of jobs to China and other countries, the unemployment rate would not have reached such unprecedented levels in the U.S.A. Free enterprise only works when those involved have rules and regulations. Of course, if large corporations had integrity and morals strict regulations would not be needed. The economic condition of this country happened during Bush’s administration.
    Obama did not favor tax cuts for the wealthy. Sir, get your facts straight. The Republicans wanted the tax cuts for the wealthy to stay in effect. Obama only agreed to this as a compromise to the Republicans.
    Neither party will address the need to bring our jobs back to this country, because most of Congress is benefitting from Corporations massive profits. Neither party is will to address the need to stop illegal aliens from crossing the border.
    Democracy has died, and Plutocracy has taken over.
    Sir, you are very scary and part of the problem.

  • jopa

    Raymond;You missed that one by %100.NAFTA was the agenda of the Retardicans who pushed this through with their control of the Senate and House during the Clinton years. Do some research and seek the truth.

  • Boo Ewald Taylor

    Why was Lehman Bros. allowed to fail, and all the others big banks saved with our monies, could some enlighten me, please?

  • MashedTaters

    I think the lack of connection to the then treasury secretary was their downfall. Next in line to fail was ?, I cannot remember. They were saved over the weekend. All this was very complicated. Some information was available at the time of happening but, I am afraid I did not remember any of it because I do not remember what I do not think is true. What was taking place was massive deleveraging bank to bank, hedge fund to investment bank, nation to hedge fund and all that kind of scary stuff that results in the dreaded margin call. Instead of you need to send me 40 to cover your failed 10 at 5 to one, the call was you need to send me 24 to cover your 1 on the entire GDP of Greece or something to that effect. So, with all the possible defaults of major banks and some small nations like of say france and norway and dubai they decided to cover some of the bets at the US treasury by asking their partner in crime, the Federal Reserve Bank, to buy some bad debts of the derivative sort such as credit default swaps and mortage backed securities. The other choice would have been loss of the credit system for a couple of years or ten.

    Paulson may write a book when all this clears. It will of course be about half lies. He may not as he does not need the money. He may do so to explain his actions or clear his name. Read his biography on wiki and see which bank he is from for some explaination.

    Sorry, I could not give a better answer. Passage of time has washed out the details.

  • who cares

    SEE: youtube Home owership and president bush May 17,2002. Rare banned bush speech. Subprime mortgage crisis correlation with bush administration?. Flashback: bush’s 2000 RNC convention Hypocrisy. We The truth to the matter you right winger or wing nut can’t stand the fact that man of color is smarter then some of you or your boy bush.

  • http://www.vinceiori.com Vince Iori

    In response to your article, I take extreme offense to your extremely ignorant in insensitive comments. Namely:

    “So what is another few trillion dollars here or there? Not much, says the Left, who continue to cry about the unemployment problem; the one that their President was going to fix.”

    First of all regardless of Obama’s failure, what duty do the long term unemployed have to die or freeze to death because fake conservatives, who are equally to blame for the collapse of America, need additional unemployment compensation just to attempt to hold on to what little they have left? Did they eliminate their own jobs? Are they refusing to work? Answer to both is a resounding NO! There are no jobs! Your government is lying out their rear end claiming the alleged 9.8% which is really more like 20%. Both “parties” perpetrate this lie. I don’t concur with the left but those acknowledging the unemployment problem happen to be right about this topic. They’re NOT “crying” about anything. Not on this particular subject at least.

    I am violently outraged at another careless comment of yours, specifically: “The new Obama deal passed its first hurdle in the U.S. Senate last week. It should make the unemployed happy as well. After all, last year’s gift certificate benefits are running out, “and at the worst possible time,” declare Democrats. After all, Christmas is here!” You have to be pretty ignorant or simply dishonest to suggest that unemployment benefits are a “gift certificate”. You obviously don’t know how it works. For starters, the average unemployment check averages $350 per week. Let’s see you pay the cheapest rent in town, eat, keep a very average car (gee ain’t it nice to be able to go to an interview or a job if actually offered one)! That’s assuming you’re single with no one else to take care of. Show me someone that you fake neo cons claim is supposedly going on cruises or getting rich on $350 per week? You can’t can you? You conveniently also forgot to mention that everyone who collects unemployment had former employers pay 3 to 5% of the first $40k per year into the state unemployment funds. This was in addition to paying the feds (FUTA) another 3 to 5%. Thus your insinuation that these people are “welfare bums” is a cheap shot below the belt. These folks are victims who were former middle class who now can’t contribute to the economy thus NO recovery — Not now, NEVER until they are back to work! Fact is the unemployed are receiving an insurance benefit check that was supposed to be paid for unlike your beloved corporate welfare recipients who got bailed out for $trillions! You have the gall to complain about chump change? Shame on you Sir. You should know better than to embarrass yourself. Especially when you had no problem lifting 40 to 50% of their pay checks during the time they were working for the biggest financial crime in history and the biggest Ponzi scam in history. How convenient you “conservatives” were no where to be found.

    Furthermore, your comment, “I have news for the liberals; I too have been laid off a couple times in my life and I can tell you, neither one came at a “good time.” is laughable. Sounds like if you were laid off it was as a millionaire so it wouldn’t make a difference to you. How that means the victims of conservative/liberal economic warfare against the soon to be middle class means people should die, starve or freeze to death. If they die, who’s your government gonna fleece off of for liberal programs (Obama death care) or conservative (excursions into everyone else’s business except America’s)? I never heard about deficits when George W tripled the size of government, started 2 illegal wars and proved what he and “conservatives” really are: big government worshipers in disguise.

    Why do you fake conservatives hate the middle class just as much as the liberals? Simple because they’re your worse nightmare to your big government worship. Conservatives are nothing more than one clock tick to the right of liberals. They both love big government as long as that power is being used to further their political agenda! They’re both part of the same team: Team rape and loot America. And we’ll see the proof soon enough when NOTHING changes with the alleged opposition party controlling the house with banker bought and paid for fake, John Boehner, leading the way.

    I know many 99ers. Those who exhausted their benefits already WON’t be getting another dime from the recent alleged “extension” which is nothing more than to extend funds to the states so they can pay the benefits that those who have weeks remaining actually get paid. I’m a 99er. My benefits ran out in June 2010. I won’t be getting a dime from this! Don’t lie and claim Obama just gave another 13 month “gift certificate” away. Just what “gifts” do you think these people will buy with this money? Food, utilities or Mercedes?

    I’m here to tell you mister, you arrogant snobs are in for a reckoning along with your false gods: the banks and corporations you people worship and who own both alleged “parties”. Many 99ers ask me what can be done. I now tell them it’s too late for peace. If the system that mooched off your pay checks and assets for so long(in violation of numerous Constitutional principles) and now wants to discard you as trash then its time that “system” was done away with regardless of what means might become necessary.

  • Merl

    Good idea to buy gold in theory. However, if no one else has money who will buy the gold? If the gold is real and in your house greedy, desperate, evil, crazy people will steal it; kill for it. Therefore, gold makes me as nervous as curreny or any other thing of value in an age with no spiritual values. In this age of no moral values or compass due to lack of religous or ethics training in schools or homes; anyone is deluded not to be nervous. Indeed, the reason we are in financial trouble is because we have left the high road of doing this right for the low road of fast bucks at the expense of the helpless masses. Greedy bankers, traders, with the help of government elites have got us into this mess and now have to keep us there to prevent their undoing. Until the ruling elites value ethics and the Ten Commandments we are all in danger. It sounds simple and hokey but it is true. We need to get back our values to where it is cool to do the right things and not the wrong things. The ruling class thinks it is immune from harm and can do whatever it wants to the masses. However, harm sometimes does come back to elites in the forms of economic downturns and jail sentences so they are also not totally immune. The people need to take control of the economy somehow to preserve their individual wealth.

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