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At The Movies

September 18, 2012 by  

At The Movies
SCREENSHOT
From the film "Innocence of Muslims."

Generally, I approach the endless stream of foibles, flaws and failures which have defined President Barack Obama’s occupation of the Oval Office with humor. After all, I can either laugh or cry; and I’m not much for tears — except when I’m out of Scotch and the liquor store is closed. Following the events of the last few days, even I am finding it difficult to put a happy face on the clearly coordinated “chaos” in the Middle East and Obama’s hapless response thereto.

Late last week, Obama tried mightily to make the murder of Americans and attacks on our embassies a story about Mitt Romney. When that craven political move failed (mostly because it was so transparently stupid even the corporate media didn’t swallow it), the new talking point surprisingly shifted to parroting the Islamofascist instigators. According to a segment I like to call the Obama Protection League (OPL), the Islamofascist attacks for which our people were deliberately underprepared — as a direct result of Obama Administration orders — were and are due to a movie entitled “Innocence of Muslims.”

Being the diligent sort, I sat down to watch the film on YouTube. I presumed that it must be an exceptional bit of artistry for it to inspire such rage across the world and such mewling weakness from the White House. I steeled my resolve and clicked “play.”

Let me be absolutely clear: “Innocence of Muslims” is as much a “movie” as Obama is a “good President.” I made it almost three minutes into the show before I went back to checking my fantasy football roster. To suggest that “Innocence of Muslims” is a steaming pile of Maddow is — incredibly — an understatement. I remarked to a colleague that I could have out-auteured the shlockfest with a cell phone camera and a cast of ill-trained puppies. His response: “Sure, but why bother?”

Presume for a moment that the OPL is right, and the rising tide of Mideast chaos counterpointed with the downward spiral of the Nation’s prestige is happening in some geopolitical void where z-grade “movies” cause what would otherwise be peaceful folk to morph into bloodthirsty savages. By that logic, not only are the Democrats suggesting that Muslims are incapable of even marginal self-control in the face of minor provocation; they’re also suggesting that Jodie Foster is responsible for the attempted assassinations of President Reagan, Press Secretary James Brady, police officer Thomas Delhanty and Secret Service agent Tim McCarthy; the Beatles are complicit in the Manson murders and J.D. Salinger killed John Lennon.

“Innocence of Muslims” is garbage. It’s badly scripted, badly acted and badly shot. In fact, if you turn the sound off during viewing, it’s entirely possible you’ll wonder where they found what appear to be a tribe of gigantic and very angry “oompa-loompas.” It was also uploaded to YouTube months ago. To suggest — as Obama has continued to do since abandoning his shamefully mendacious attacks on Romney — that “Innocence of Muslims” is anything more than a convenient excuse for Islamofascists to do precisely what they’d be doing anyway is not only callous but also fairly racist.

I take the divine gift of American citizenship as seriously as I take almost nothing else. I observe Obama and his Democratic accomplices denigrate, demean and defile our precious freedoms on an almost daily basis. And there’s no doubting the Islamofascists’ ultimate plans for us. Nonetheless, I have stormed nary an embassy, set nary a flag alight and murdered nary an ambassador. Those qualities are shared by most members of the human species; including a fairly impressive majority of Muslims.

The recent crimes in the Mideast were committed by violent Islamofascist thugs; not some shot-on-a-lunchbreak “movie.” And the attacks’ efficacy was a direct result of the same lackadaisical ineptitude with which Obama has met every other challenge.

Granted, the OPL has to come up with SOMETHING. We’re inside two months to electoral zero hour; and Obama appears to be trying to throw the fight. He has piloted the economy into a death spiral; our geopolitical prestige lies in ashes in the streets of Benghazi, where the ambassador lacked the sort of protection that Obama crony Valerie Jarrett employs to keep the unwashed masses from disturbing her. Corruption, duplicity and perjury have tainted his legacy.

All things being equal, perhaps we should allow Obama and his minions to blame the movies. After all, they’ve subjected the rest of us to a horror film for nearly four years.

-Ben Crystal

Ben Crystal

is a 1993 graduate of Davidson College and has burned the better part of the last two decades getting over the damage done by modern-day higher education. He now lives in Savannah, Ga., where he has hosted an award-winning radio talk show and been featured as a political analyst for television. Currently a principal at Saltymoss Productions—a media company specializing in concept television and campaign production, speechwriting and media strategy—Ben has written numerous articles on the subjects of municipal authoritarianism, the economic fallacy of sin taxes and analyses of congressional abuses of power.

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  • GALT

    Ben, me boyo……..you are not even close to healing that damage, son!!!!!!!

    Is “Islam a GREAT religion”? ( Hillary )

    Is any “religion” great?

    Is any religion MORAL?

    “Currently a principal at Saltymoss Productions—a media company specializing in concept television and campaign production, speechwriting and media strategy—Ben has written numerous articles on the subjects of municipal authoritarianism, the economic fallacy of sin taxes and analyses of congressional abuses of power.”

    So Ben…..what is “media strategy”?

    Would it be a synonym for “whore”?

    Does it pay well? Or do you “need” MORE?

    “Look it’s the Goodrich Blimp!”

    “To conquer, first DIVIDE!!!!!” ( and then HANG, separately!!!! )

    • joe1cr

      More importantly, can Obama be trusted with a second term as president?

      An attack on our country’s embassy is an act of war against our country.Why does the Obama administration act as if our embassies had been toilet-papered by rambunctious teens rather than assaulted by militants?
      The events of the past week demonstrate, perhaps more than any since September 11, 2001, the need for America to have a strong, decisive leader as Commander-in Chief. The United States needs a president who, in times of crisis, doesn’t apologize for our country or wonder who our allies are.He sent billions to Egypt’s radical new government. Military and financial aid to Libyan rebels who killed American diplomats. Invited the Muslim Brotherhood to the White House? Why, Mr. President? Why?

      • Karolyn

        So, Joe, you would have us just continue on the path of violence. The whole country did not kill those people, neither should a whole country be punished. Howevetr, if your views were put into action, we would lose even more lives. Violence solves nothing!

      • David

        So Joe1cr you would have us do like the Bush/ Cheney did? This article claims that we had 4 years of a “horror film”. I guess we should be used to it we had an eight year run of the previous horror film!

      • Vigilant

        “Violence solves nothing!”

        Well, Karolyn, welcome to the WPAA (wimpy pacifist and appeaser) factions of the Democrat and Libertarian Parties.

        Perhaps you’d care to enlighten us on how America could have wrested control from Britain and secured her independence without violence?

        Next, kindly school us on what was “solved” when Hitler reoccupied the Rhineland in 1936 and France failed to act militarily. Or what great pacifist defeat of Naziism occurred when Chamberlain ceded the Czech Sudetenland to The Third Reich in 1938.

        Violence, when REQUIRED, solves a whole Hell of a lot, and in the long run, can SAVE lives.

      • TML

        I think it’s obvious that Karolyn is pointing out that, in this instance, violence would solve nothing. Notice your examples… Britain, France, Germany, Czech… are all established governments. This was not an act of war by a government. It was the actions of a minority of rioters.

        Bombing of making war with an entire country, for the actions of a few, would result in more deaths of innocent people, and would senselessly fuel more uprising; solving nothing. Answering violence with violence, in this instance, is not ‘required’.

        There is a far more reasonable answers to the problem. The answer to these problems is not more of the same policies that created the problem.

        Certainly those rioters (who make up less than 1% of the population) should be brought to justice, and we should work with the new government of Libya (that we helped create after helping those rebels overthrow their previously long standing government) to do that as best we can… but to make war with the entire foreign country, for the actions of a few, is in no way justifiable.

        I get the impression that you would even call Jefferson a ‘wimpy pacifist appeaser’ if he were alive today. Should we welcome you to the IWF (Imperialist Warmongering Fascists)?

        Small minds which see violence and war as the only answer, tend to believe that anything less than war is merely appeasement, or pacifist, or weak.

      • Hedgehog

        Karolyn; “Violence solves nothing!”? Au contraire! Ask the experts on violence: The Dodo, The Great Auk, The Passenger Pigeon, The Albigensians, et. al..

      • HH

        @ Vigilant, not to mention the way we brought WWII to and end!

      • Vicki

        The reason we are as great and powerful as we are (some say were) is that we do not start conflict with violence but we WILL end violent conflict with violence if we must.

        Let’s take the embassy example. Rioters STARTED the violence. No one stopped them so they kept going till they reached their objective. What SHOULD have happened is that a properly armed (that is with GUNS and RPGs etc for you who hate tools of the soldier) security force of AMERICANS would have put down the violent attacks on our embassies.

        I did find this comment interesting:
        “to make war with the entire foreign country, for the actions of a few, is in no way justifiable.”

        That is exactly what the rioters “claimed” to be doing. Making war on US Embassies because of the actions of a few (film makers).

      • Vigilant

        TML (too much liberalism) says, “I think it’s obvious that Karolyn is pointing out that, in this instance, violence would solve nothing.”

        No, TML, it’s obvious that Karolyn is pointing out that, in ALL instances, violence would solve nothing. It was the sweeping generality of her statement that irked me, and I responded with particulars.

        “Notice your examples… Britain, France, Germany, Czech… are all established governments. This was not an act of war by a government. It was the actions of a minority of rioters.”

        Once again, a straw man argument, and your attempt to put words in my mouth I was refuting Karolyn’s generality, as I mentioned. For you to assume something else is YOUR weakness, not mine..

        Then “I get the impression that you would even call Jefferson a ‘wimpy pacifist appeaser’ if he were alive today. Should we welcome you to the IWF (Imperialist Warmongering Fascists)?”

        Absolutely speculative and dishonest argument. I thought Jefferson dispatched the Barbary Coast Muslim pirates with fervor and justice. Perhaps you would call hjim a warmonger.

        To borrow your words with revision, Small minds which see appeasement and pacifism as the only answer, tend to believe that anything less than surrender is merely warmongering, or hawkishness, or jingoism.

      • Karolyn

        Vigilant – I suppose you would call Ghandi a simpleton.

      • GALT

        Thoughts on the Second Term

        It doesn’t take much to recognize that very little “intelligent consensus” or “reasonable discussion” regarding the actual “state of play” is present on this site…………..the primary reason for this, is that this site is NOT here to promote that outcome………this is a business site whose purpose is to “sell stuff” and the daily chaos that is the rule here, is designed specifically to be aligned with the product line offered…………… ( and associated products from other sources of the same ilk ) you will now note that as these topical threads, quickly lengthen past the “advertising” which is the prime function, you now have an ad which follows you as you scroll down the page, which also changes continuously, with all manner of offers from the “usual suspects”. Each day the bell is rung and you respond…….so a mention of the constitution here, a right there, here a fed, there a conspiracy, and you have a completely depressing scenario………which is set to prime you for the “impending doom” designed to make you click on something, anything…….depending on your circumstance………

        Meanwhile in the real world most people are unaware of this one, and they have more pressing concerns………so their perceived self interest is fairly straight forward and while their ignorance is probably a defense mechanism……….thankfully there are way MORE of THEM, than there are of YOU………and this should be sufficient to re-elect your President……….since if nothing else, they have an instinctive understanding that Romney is “dangerous” and part and parcel of what got them here to begin with………..
        Our President, who must at times wonder whether actually being elected was a good thing………..and who has been out manuvered and obstructed at every turn……….can now use his second term to attempt to live up to his “vision” and correct the deviations which were forced on him by an “obstructionist” congress………..who having taken the all or nothing gamble………..and lost, will no longer be able to hide from the responsibility of attempting to “gum up the works” will not be able to “continue” this strategy……….for they will face retribution in 2014 and 2016………..for doing so.

        We are, none the less, facing a new and unprecedented REALITY, whose drama will play out in the years that follow……..both in real world events as well as the exposure of the “mythologies” that have managed to persist in spite of “evidence” that is clear to anyone who is willing to look……….because the fact of the matter is this, the path we are on is “unsustainable”………and that word by definition means that we can not continue to journey down that path.

        Despite the “newspeak” tactics of the “status quo” it will be impossible to maintain the “ignorance” of the primary culprit in this, and that is that there is absolutely no validity to the so called discipline of Economics at any level………and while it may take some time for this understanding to become one of “common acceptance”, the message is out there and is being confirmed by the evidence on a daily basis…………so while having walked up to the abyss and managed to claw our way back, the is no way to return to business as usual, nor will any such efforts to do so, result in the “promised” growth that those who persist in this delusion have claimed.
        At present, this impasse rests on the single point of “willfull ignorance” that persists……….which is that “government is the problem”………..and that if it would just get out of the way, free enterprise and free markets………will produce the “growth” and prosperity we have grown accustomed to………..

        Unfortunately, we are where we are, because “corrupted government” is the problem……….and because “business” got exactly what it wanted, and then did precisely what was to be expected……and in this new reality “corporations” are both “international” and beyond any governments ability to control them……….and because this is a “separate reality” where individual actors operate from specific points of “perceived self interest”, regard for benefcial results and improvement in general welfare are no longer of any perceived benefit…………..although, that this was ever true from a historical perspective is part of the mythology, whose convenient revisionism has simply taken the serendipitous results which were unintended, to manufacture a claim of being the mechanism responsible for the outcome………when this was simply a matter of “expansion”…….and conquest………and since this is no longer possible…….there is no way that what was permissible then because there was sufficient leeway for error……..where failures were localised and isolated………and the damage was not permanent.

        We as a species have had the luxury of allowing ourselves to be ruled by myths………..and our evolution ( biological ) and history, is one that is essentially that of “small groups”……..struggling to survive and compete with both other species and amongst ourselves………and we have almost 200,000 years invested in this genetic adaptation.

        Unfortunately, this circumstance changed……….with the developement of agriculture………….and populations became centralised……….but our biology has not changed………..our instincts and drives are still dominated by “primitive motives” which are not suited to our present circumstance……….and thus far we have not developed the “intelligence” to adapt and accept that instincts and mythologies are no longer useful and must be abandoned……..

        You may of course seek to continue to deny this reality and avoid a conversation which is long overdue………..wasting your time here, being manipulated by those whose interests are served by maintainance of the status quo, and their benefit………in which case your future victimhood is assured………..

        ” To conquer, first DIVIDE!!!!” ( and the HANG, separately!!!!)

      • TML

        Vigilant says, “TML (too much liberalism)”

        Seriously? What are you, like 12 years old? I’m not even a liberal, lol

        Vigilant says, “No, TML, it’s obvious that Karolyn is pointing out that, in ALL instances, violence would solve nothing. It was the sweeping generality of her statement that irked me, and I responded with particulars.”

        I don’t see how you can reasonably arrive at the conclusion that she meant “all” instances, when she was being pretty specific. “The whole country did not kill those people, neither should a whole country be punished.”

        I wouldn’t call that a sweeping generalization.

        Vigilant says, “Once again, a straw man argument, and your attempt to put words in my mouth I was refuting Karolyn’s generality, as I mentioned. For you to assume something else is YOUR weakness, not mine.. “

        You brought up the Revolutionary war, and WW2, so there is no strawman on my part nor putting words in your mouth. I simply pointed out that those were instances which are quite different than the one being discussed and that answering violence with violence, in this instance, is not ‘required’.

        Since you seem to have serious issues with those who might think there are more reasonable answers than violence, perhaps the strawman is yours.

        Vigilant says, “I thought Jefferson dispatched the Barbary Coast Muslim pirates with fervor and justice. Perhaps you would call hjim a warmonger.”

        No, because his actions were defensive. And the incident ended with the Treaty of Tripoli… something I honestly think would be viewed as appeasement by Americans that think like you. And your next ill attempt at a rendition to my words supports my assertion.

        Vigilant says, “Small minds which see appeasement and pacifism as the only answer, tend to believe that anything less than surrender is merely warmongering, or hawkishness, or jingoism.”

        There are indeed times when violence in the form of defense IS the only answer. But this isn’t one of them.

      • TML

        Vicki says, “What SHOULD have happened is that a properly armed (that is with GUNS and RPGs etc for you who hate tools of the soldier) security force of AMERICANS would have put down the violent attacks on our embassies.”

        I couldn’t agree more. The embassy sovereign to America, the circumstances (new government… just helped rebels overthrow previous government) should have called for the national guard, secret service, or other security, within the fences. Or at the very least we should have removed those inhabiting the embassy, as we did not long ago in Syria.

      • TML

        Vicki says. “I did find this comment interesting:
        “to make war with the entire foreign country, for the actions of a few, is in no way justifiable.”

        That is exactly what the rioters “claimed” to be doing. Making war on US Embassies because of the actions of a few (film makers).”

        Indeed… and I strongly feel that a nation such as the United States, to mimic the actions of riotous hooligans, is not the answer. They should indeed be brought to justice… but through the rule of law, not war. By working with the new government we just helped create, not by bombing it, and the people we like to believe we recently liberated.

      • Old Henry

        joe1cr, The embassies were attacked by CIA “employees” under the guise of terrorists. They need yet anoter war to feed the machine, and to keep Soetoro the communist usurper camped in the People’s House.

      • Vigilant

        “Vigilant says, “TML (too much liberalism)”

        TML syas, “Seriously? What are you, like 12 years old? I’m not even a liberal, lol.”

        LOL indeed! Doesn’t matter what you call yourself, your pacifist statements are sufficient.

        “Since you seem to have serious issues with those who might think there are more reasonable answers than violence, perhaps the strawman is yours. “

        Take a reading comprehension course. I said, “Violence, when REQUIRED, solves a whole Hell of a lot, and in the long run, can SAVE lives.” Now why do you imagine I emphasized the word “required?” Talk about straw man argument! Are you saying I claimed that violence is ALWAYS the answer? Apparently, you have concluded that falsehood, but from nothing I said.

        Then, he makes the unbelievable stretch of the English language with the following:

        “Vigilant says, “I thought Jefferson dispatched the Barbary Coast Muslim pirates with fervor and justice. Perhaps you would call him a warmonger.”

        “No, because his actions were defensive. And the incident ended with the Treaty of Tripoli… something I honestly think would be viewed as appeasement by Americans that think like you.”

        Because his actions were defensive? What world do you live on? We have here a perfect justification for violence. The treaty was concluded for ONE reason: military action was brought into play. Neither I nor any sane person would call the conclusion of war through treaty an action of appeasement!

        Treaties ended The Revolution and other wars waged by this nation. By what tortuous logic do make the bogus claim that I would imagine those treaties to be “appeasement?”

        TML: “There are indeed times when violence in the form of defense IS the only answer. But this isn’t one of them.”

        And you’ll go blind looking for ANY comment on my part that claims such.

      • TML

        Vigilant says, “Take a reading comprehension course.”

        I suppose we could say that to each other all day, since your initial statement ignored the preceded context of Karolyn’s argument enough to say “Violence solves nothing” was a sweeping generalization.

        Vigilant says, “Are you saying I claimed that violence is ALWAYS the answer? Talk about straw man argument!”

        No, the initial argument was taking her statement out of context as a sweeping generalization and then attacking the person implying that she was a wimpy pacifist appeaser. Yes, talk about a strawman. As I have been trying to point out.

        Vigilant says, “I said, “Violence, when REQUIRED, solves a whole Hell of a lot, and in the long run, can SAVE lives.” Now why do you imagine I emphasized the word “required?”

        And to that statement, I merely said, ‘this’ isn’t one of those instances which require violence.

        Vigilant says, “Then, he makes the unbelievable stretch of the English language…”

        He? Are you appealing to the crowd or talking to me?

        Vigilant says, “Because his actions were defensive? What world do you live on?”

        Earth, in America
        Yes, his actions were defensive. Merchant ships were being raided for tribute. Defensive actions were taken to arm and protect American ships.

        Vigilant says, “We have here a perfect justification for violence.”

        Are you still talking about the Barbary Pirates or are you referring to the embassy and the riotous thugs? I would agree with the former, but not the latter.

        Vigilant says, “The treaty was concluded for ONE reason: military action was brought into play.
        Neither I nor any sane person would call the conclusion of war through treaty an action of appeasement!
        Treaties ended The Revolution and other wars waged by this nation. By what tortuous logic do make the bogus claim that I would imagine those treaties to be “appeasement?”

        Some have considered the treaty an appeasement due to the religious dynamic of the situation on part of the Muslim pirates. That’s the treaty in which it says the United States is in no way founded on the Christian religion.

        Anyway, I’m not going to continue trying to make my statement – “I get the impression that you would even call Jefferson a ‘wimpy pacifist appeaser’ if he were alive today.” – stick on you. Your objection to it is sufficient.

        TML says, “There are indeed times when violence in the form of defense IS the only answer. But this isn’t one of them.”
        Vigilant says, “And you’ll go blind looking for ANY comment on my part that claims such.”

        Good, then I have no further argument.

      • Vigilant

        “Good, then I have no further argument.”

        You had NO argument to begin with.

      • Vigilant

        BTW, TML, you apparently didn’t catch Karolyn’s later comment to me, i.e., “Vigilant – I suppose you would call Ghandi a simpleton.”

        That proves that she meant her original statement to be a generalization, NOT a specific. Looks like I interpreted it correctly, and you didn’t. Hope you have something to wash down that humble pie.

        I rest my case.

      • TML

        Vigilant says, “You had NO argument to begin with”

        Sure I did, it’s just that after discussion, you don’t seem to really disagree with my conclusion on the matter. But I mostly objected to your fallacies… i.e. ad hominem, strawman.

        Vigilant says, “BTW, TML, you apparently didn’t catch Karolyn’s later comment to me, i.e., “Vigilant – I suppose you would call Ghandi a simpleton.”
        That proves that she meant her original statement to be a generalization, NOT a specific.” Looks like I interpreted it correctly, and you didn’t.”

        Perhaps, but I was judging by her initial comment, in which I AM correct that her preceding context was specific. While her later comment still doesn’t “prove” she meant her original as a general comment, her refusal to state that it wasn’t… might.

        Vigilant says, “Hope you have something to wash down that humble pie.
        I rest my case.”

        Humble pie is good… you should try it sometime.

    • wandamurline

      News alert…one of the islamists buring an American flag (one probably made in China) croaked yesterday from the fumes. Talke about justice.

      • JUKEBOX

        I believe that the movie 2016 is the real reason for all the riots, because Obama is not following the beliefs of his Muslim ancestors.

  • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

    DAMN!, “Ben Crystal!” – SCOTCH WHISKEY AND FOOTBALL. YOU ARE THE MAN!

    • http://none Charlie

      Horton,,,Honk on,,,We needed Your comment , because you accidentally brought up a possible solution to the American , Libya problem …Which is to have our best football team challenge the Libya football team , which they don’t have, do they?… Then play at least six games and who ever wins the most games , their God / god is the most “Honorable”,,,Or any other non violent type games that involves , physical , mental , spiritual abilities …
      Now for the Whiskey , We trade whiskey for Libya oil , that would boost the Libyan spirit and boost the American economy ,but, We would have to warn them about what our God says about drinking strong drinks and respect what their god says about strong drinks , and maybe challenge them to a drink off game ,,,who ever can walk and talk and read what a reader board says with the most whiskey under his belt is the most blessed by their God / god …
      BUT, since GALT has a sideline add problem on this site , this site would have to advertise whole
      sale EverClear or Whiskey on the sideline so not to harm his peripheral vision …
      Honk on Horton , what do you think ? Maybe you could be the armchair Quarter Back for The
      American team………………

  • KG

    I just love BC. He’s about as adorable as a used car salesman. But he is a selfish SOB. When he was a child, I guess he was the one that would take all the other children’s toys and then say “ha ha – I control the toys.” That’s how a young ‘libertarian’ acts like.

    • JC

      Idiot Liberal.

      • Vigilant

        That’s redundant, JC.

      • momo

        KG isn’t a liberal, he’s a commie.

      • JC

        True enough Vigilant…

    • Dulceb

      When you have a relevant remark, feel free to join in the discussion. Making things personal and calling names, is a typical ignorant liberal move.

      • Joe Hammond

        It is also a conservative/libertarian move as well…..Just check other posts.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        joe hammond, you just called Conservative and Libertarians “choice names”. So we should give you a pass because you are immature?

    • Flashy

      KG…Ben didn’t even think to watch the entire clip. Aside from the fact it carried the false flag of being funded, produced and made by Jews…and despite the fact it was frippin’ sent to mosques in the ME with those claims…and despite the fact it was pure garbage which ANY religious creed would find insulting…not only religiously, but culturally… he just doesn’t think.

      Ben should take courses in thinking..because he obviously doesn’t. Trash talk is the highest point of Crystal’s abilities.

      For those who say the folks rioting and angry about the video are barbarians etc…

      We should remind these same folks…when the proposal to have church affiliated companies and institutions have birth control available to women employees…not churches..but affiliations which employed all faiths and beliefs… on that very minor issue…they screamed and dang near went ballistic.

      but….but..that’s different! We’re christians and our faith was being insulted !!!!

      • Vicki

        Flashy writes:
        “they screamed and dang near went ballistic.

        but….but..that’s different! We’re christians and our faith was being insulted !!!!”

        Did you see any dead bodies? Burned out buildings? Bodies without heads? Even a burned US Flag?

        Evidence suggests that we ARE different. We don’t tend to violence when someone merely tries to insult us.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      But you are a not too bright spawn, because the word child is a term of endearment.

    • dcjdavis

      Sounds more like a young Obamanite to me. All hail the king.

  • Warrior

    Why in the world anyone thought this “community organizer” was somehow equipped to lead this country is beyond believe. Being from Chicago, this guy was nothing but a third rate politician and most of his time he was just absent. Do any of you people that vote based on team colors, ever place any serious thought in your decisions? The proof says you don’t.

    • Old Henry

      If you voted for Obama in ’08 to prove you are not a racist, vote for someone else in ’12 to prove you are not an idiot.

  • eddie47d

    To say Obama is blaming Romney for the unrest in the Middle East is nothing more than a cheap shot. No surprise there. Now Romney has also shown his lack of diplomacy and is full of pious bluster in getting elected. Maybe both Romney and Obama are stumbling down the same stairs but the blame for this chaos belong squarely on the video makers. No matter how childish or lame the video is it still offended millions and the makers of that video are traitorous cowards. Their self righteous “free speech” was deliberately made to offend and they accomplished that mission. They made their preemptive strike and now our government has to pick up their collateral damage. They are just as merciless as the pre-planned attacked on our embassy and both elements knew exactly the harm they would do. One wanted to inflame anti-Americanism and the other an anti-Muslim debacle. Congratulations Mission Accomplished!!

    • Warrior

      eddie, you people need some new material. Your “excuses” don’t sell here.

      • eddie47d

        Yes Warrior I don’t like Romney’s “team colors”. The color of his money and how he achieved it. He has not always been an honorable man. Maybe you could use some “new Material” yourself dude. I have disagreed with Obama in going into Libya a year ago so let’s see you take a poke at Romney or will that offend your party?

    • Alex

      As usual, eddie47d, you are right on target. I would caution, however, your use of the word ‘traitorous’—that is a very loaded word that has a specific meaning and though most of the PLD posters do throw words around which they do not understand, they will take you to task for your own use of hyperbole.

      Still, I do enjoy your posts and look forward to them, along with those of several other reasonable PLD posters—we are all screaming into a tornado of hate and ignorance, but someone has to do it….

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Making threats, Alex, to infringe on Free Speech. You are not obligated to come on this site, fully knowing that PLD made full disclosure of their beliefs and values. You cannot claim that you don’t know what is the predominant ideology of the people who post on this forum.

    • Dulceb

      Please, get your facts straight, then talk. The maker of the “film” is an Egyptian Christian. He has a laundry list of crimes on his record. He has probably been persecuted himself in his home land. Christians take an extraordinary amount of abuse in the Middle East.
      He has his reasons for making this “film,” but it was not a US made or approved film. To use this alleged work of media as a reason for killing and burning, I am not buying it. Neither should you jump on the judgement bandwagon. Attacking our embassies was an act of war. I do not blame all the people in these countries, but I do not hold them blameless either. They are quick to act as a group to stone someone who has the community disapproval, yet slow to anger if chaos and murder is directed against Americans.
      If things offend you, walk away. I am highly offended by the custom of young men to wear their pants down below their behind, however, I have not killed any to date.
      Grow up and smell the coffee. The Middle East is an accident, just looking for a place or a reason to happen.

      • Vicki

        “If things offend you, walk away. ”

        As is your right under the “freedom of association” section of the First Amendment.

        I choose a slightly different path. I can choose to take offense at someones film/speech etc or I can choose NOT to. Since I have no desire to give someone else that much control over my emotions I choose to NOT be offended.

        I choose to NOT be a victim.

        No law can ever be made that can force me to be offended or to be not offended. That power is ALL MINE.

        That same power is in YOUR hands too. Choose to NOT be offended and take your power back from those who would try and control you.

    • Butch

      eddie, yr repeated stupid posts are only meant to anger and inflame. Now kindly give us yr address so we can go to yr home and beat you, burn you and crucify you, islamic stye. After all, “you asked for it” by provoking us. That works both ways , liberal moron.

      • Vicki

        Let him continue to post here. He provides a good insight for readers into the mind of a liberal (only one example and maybe not typical, but still useful)

    • Dennis48e

      “To say Obama is blaming Romney for the unrest in the Middle East …”

      As you well know eddie that is not what Ben said. He said obama tried to make the events into a Romney bashing but he did not say obama tried to blame Romney for the unrest.

    • uvuvuv

      of course eddy we all remember the riots and vandalism by christians in every major city when the davinci code came out. millions were offended and so the riots took place. of course everyone understood that the christians were justifiably outraged and so the president apologized to them repeatedly.

    • Dale left coast

      So eddie . . . what movies caused all these acts of terroroism?

      Here are a few incidents that occurred just this year alone.

      On August 14, 2012, Salafis stormed a Christian-owned store in Asyut, Egypt and murdered the owner. On the same day, a 14-year-old Christian girl was gang-raped and murdered by five Muslim men in Sahiwal, Pakistan. On August 10, 2012, a Christian man was gunned down by Islamists in Jolo, Philippines on his way home from church. Four days before that, in Okene, Nigeria, Muslims entered a church and shot members with machine-guns, slaughtering at least nineteen, including the pastor. A Christian doctor was brutally blinded by Salafist Muslims in Shubra el Khayma, Egypt on July 26, 2012. About a month earlier, two Christians were reported murdered by Muslim Brotherhood activists in El Sharqiya, Egypt. In Kenya, on July 1, 2012, Muslims threw grenades into two churches and then shot dead fleeing Christians including children. And in Tunisia, the birthplace of the Arab Spring, a video captured the image of an execution earlier this year in which a man’s throat was cut for embracing Christianity by Muslims who offered prayers as they sliced.

      We are dealing with the political cult of izzzzzlam . . . these medieval savages have no concept of democracy or free speach . . . are they moving into your neighborhood eddie . . .

      • Old Henry

        It’s time to play Cowboys and Muslims!

    • Vicki

      eddie47d writes:
      “Maybe both Romney and Obama are stumbling down the same stairs but the blame for this chaos belong squarely on the video makers.”

      Remember how they (usually hollywood) howl when someone says that violent and gory movies incite violence?

      So which is it? Movies bad or Movies good? (Ignoring for the moment the point of freedom of speech :) )

      How about we do something REALLY different and blame the RIOTERS.

    • Old504Troop

      So Eddie, the Obama administration can;t blame Bush anymore, so they blame Romney? The Cairo embassy protests started early Tuesday morning. The assault on the Libyan consulate began about 12 hours later and lasted for over four hours, killing 4 Americans, including Chris Stevens. Afterwards, Romney came out with a statement condemning the lame excuses put out by the Cairo embassy, which are an extension of the Obama admistration’s policy. Finally, the administration makes a statement- not condemning the attacks and deaths of Americans, but criticizing Romney for making a statement. More than 15 hours AFTER the initial unrest started. Where was the Sec. of State? Where was Pres. Obama? Who was in charge at the White House? – NO ONE!

    • MarathonMan

      Yes, Eddie47d:
      “You do not like the way Romney earned his money” and that speaks volumes.
      Romney earned his money in the private sector.
      Now, tell me how did that poor Kenyan kid managed to pay for his prestigious college tuitions and how did he earn his millions?

      • eddie47d

        Two book deals and that IS common knowledge.

      • MarathonMan

        Eddie:
        Do you really believe two book deals and bingo, $5 to 7 million.
        Bought a million dollar house even before he ran for the senate and book deals, Eddie.
        Did you hear about that special real estate deal?
        And who did pay for his education Eddie?
        We anxiously await a reply.

      • JC

        And what about little Barry Soetoro and his loans from the Government as a FOREIGN exchange student? That’s common knowlege and a fact too eduardo.

      • eddie47d

        Why do you think there are so many book deals out there. Follow the MONEY. Yes book deals can make you very wealthy.

    • Old Henry

      eddie:
      As I understand it that video was put on YouTube several months ago. Why would it take this long for the rag-heads to decide to murder, terrorise and burn?

      Remember that “offensive” cartoon a while back? The response was almost immediate.

      I’m guessing if the truth be known the movie, the embassy attacks (very well planned, supplied / equipped and executed) and the murders were CIA funded. Gotta keep the wars going to feed the beast and keep the fraud usurper camped in the People’s House.

  • Karolyn

    Another lame attempt to blame EVERYTHING on Obama!

    • ArkansasRebel

      No Karolyn, not everything. But sadly you do not seem able to acknowledge the many things he is guilty of & like Obama himself, unwilling to accept the blame.

    • Vigilant

      Another lame attempt to blame EVERYTHING on Obama!

      You mean like the Dems blaming EVERYTHING on Bush?

      Turnabout is fair play.

      • Flashy

        Vig….Bush did, in fact, exemplify the worst of any presidency we have had. The only good thing Bush II / Cheney ever did was leave after eight years. In those eight years, they wasted the surplus and broke this nation, increased social strife, cemented class warfare, two unfunded wars, destroyed the US leadership of the world, and pretty much oversaw the most massive transfer of wealth (from Middle Class to the wealthy) in history.

        Fact is fact Vig…..one can’t escape it though you’d like to deny the reality …

      • Dale left coast

        Flashey . . . for 8 years we were safe with Bush . . . .
        Since the O’bammy Appology Tour the US has been the “Laughing Stock” of the world . . . the O is clueless, doesn’t even attend security meetings regularly, has called numerous attacks on US soil, workplace incidents, man-caused disasters and would never say terrorist.
        The only one smiling today is Jimmah Kartah . . . he is about to become the 2nd worst president of the USA.

      • Vigilant

        Flashy, you sure like to claim “fact is fact” when all you do is make generalizations that may or may not stand up to scrutiny in detail. “Opinion is opinion” is much closer to what you stated.

        You wasted a modicum of bandwidth saying, well, nothing.

      • Dennis48e

        “You wasted a modicum of bandwidth saying, well, nothing.”

        Ah yes, ol Flashy is quite adept at saying nothing in as many words as possible.

    • Dennis Phelps

      OH come on Karolyn you know it is all Bush’s fault!
      I mean call a rock a rock!
      We couldn’t have the apprentice responsible for anything!
      Maybe serious people could.

    • uvuvuv

      well karo syrup writing from south carolina, a state that has the honor of being the home of clemson, notice how obama used to blame bush? well even he realizes you can’t go to the well too often and so now he’s blaming a private citizen, mitt romney for all of the nation’s travails. reagan never blamed carter for the economy he inherited (12% inflation, mortgages at 18%) and bush never blamed clinton for the dot.com bust. ever.

  • Alex

    Sadly, more absurdity from Ben Crystal meant to confuse the easily confused bulk of PLD readers.

    Mitt Romney prematurely charged right in on this one without knowing what he was talking about, trying to garner votes from a tragedy. Mitt’s goosestepping all over a very sensitive international incident embarrassed our country and our president, but, thankfully, most embarrassed the draft dodging Mitt himself.

    How did the Fright Wing so easily change their tune about “not criticizing a president during time of war”? Why was it so wrong for us to criticize Cheneybush when they lied to the American public and led us into a war that they had been planning since before their inauguration?

    It seems clear now that President Obama will be reelected by the people in November. The key now is whether the public will remove the obstructionist GOP lawmakers so that we might move forward.

    If the GOP thinks that they will just whine through the second Obama term with their myopic eye set on 2016—-WAKE UP!! Hillary Clinton will be elected our first woman president in 2016, hopefully replacing Barack Obama but undoubtably crushing Romney if he were to somehow get some Supreme Court help, a la Cheneybush, and steal this election.

    Young people see what Republican “leadership” has meant for their nation and if we continue this mud wrestling against progress the GOP will lose more than their third straight presidential election—they will be swept completely out of Washington, allowing
    Hillary Clinton to more easily continue the American move toward progress and a more
    livable planet.

    Nice try, though, Ben—trying desperately, like Mitt himself to somehow parlay tragedy into political coin—except you are like a week late and do not seem to realize that the world is laughing at Romney’s crassness. Of course, what would one expect from a guy who dodged the draft in war HE supported and went through his entire RNC acceptance speech without ONCE mentioning the troops at war—the troops HE wants to command!!
    LOSER….

    • http://google rose

      Hillary? 2016? You have got to be joking. God forbid. Both parties are corrupt and we have no real choices to vote from. The media try to dig up anything, that might make an candidate look bad, except for Obama. They hide any information that might expose Obama for what he really is. To think that the wealthy Obama is anymore caring for citizens then the wealthy Romney is just foolish thinking. The media bombards us with so much information it is hard to keep up with everything our government is up to. They do this to keep people from thinking clearly and staying focused. One thing is for sure. There are no more good guys and these people ,in the position of power, are only looking out for themselves and their families, and what they can accumulate for themselves and their families.

      • Flashy

        I think a longshot for the top slot in 2016 will be San Antonio Mayor Julian Castro. He certainly will make the short list of VP candidates in 2016…

    • Karen

      I don’t know where you get your information, but you are as stupid as the rest of the cronies that follow the FRAUD in our White House. If he gets in again, our Country and our Freedoms will be gone!!!!!!!!! We will be a 3rd world Country and we will have all of the stupid people in our country, that do not know how to research to find the truth, to thank for it!!! The fraud has done nothing but lied to the American People over and over and over again! Clinton along with Obama are the ones that caused the Mortgage crisis! There is more then enough proof to that. There are so many other things that I could tell you that are true, but with you being so stupid, I don’t think you would believe them anyway just like the rest of his Cronies!

      • Joe Hammond

        Well Karen, if all the stupid people move here then you will have found yourself in a sea of your peers.

      • Flashy

        “Clinton along with Obama are the ones that caused the Mortgage crisis!” <— karen

        OK..how so? (careful….you'd best know your economics and policies….)

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Making veiled threats, Flashy.

      • Flashy

        Nad…nope. just saying if Karen is going to make statements which anyone with common sense and can think know is wrong….she’d best be prepared to be called on it to put up or shut up.

        She won’t come back with anything ….if she does, and tries to legitimize her statement, it will be shredded with ease as it is simply not true nor can be rationally and factually supported.

        if you think her statement is true..feel free to come up with facts or legitimization. And i’ll say the same to you as I did Karen…best know your policy and economics…

      • Dale left coast

        Flashey . . . Clinton put the “Community Reinvestment Act” on steroids in 1993 . . . remember the Red Line Mortgage thing? Obammy was litigating for Acorn . . . to sue banks that would not give mortgages to out of work miinorities . . .
        Flash . . . you are either under 20 or just clueless . . . . I am betting on the second option ! ! !

      • Vicki

        Flashy says:
        ““Clinton along with Obama are the ones that caused the Mortgage crisis!” <— karen

        OK..how so? (careful….you'd best know your economics and policies….)"

        Funny you should ask.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpPEYXIMglI

      • MarathonMan

        Pleas include Barney Frank as being culpable in the mortgage ‘crisis”.
        Barney and his democrat crew pressured the banks to make loans to those who could not repay and Acorn, thru its community organizers ( like BOB), strong armed the banks from the consumers side. What a set up!

      • Dennis48e

        “Flash . . . you are either under 20 or just clueless . . . . I am betting on the second option ! ! !”

        Or the third choice and one Flashy has admitted to, he is paid to come on here.

  • DEFENDER OF ALL FAITHS

    Romney did nothing wrong in his comments, as a matter of fact, he did not go far enough (which is his problem) & blame the whole appease & apologize dynamic on Obozo, who started if from day one in his Cairo speech!!! The Muslims need to hear some serious truths about what is wrong with their religion (which has been seriously perverted) & their medieval culture & its superstitions & grow up & join the rest of the world!! How is it that they get so offended over nonsense about their faith, but yet continually denigrate & kill Jews & Christians, women & homosexuals? They are even crucifying Christians now in Egypt…INSANE!!!!

    It’s hard to believe that Romney even has a chance to win , given the way the media has enabled, endorsed & protected the most horrific man & inept BOOB to ever sit in the Oval Office…then his own party dumps on him, too…all he did was tell the truth…These are very sad days for our Republic!!!

    The most crucial part of the whole thing was that they were warned about an attack & did nothing to tighten security, they even let Libyan Police guard our embassy & took bullets away from Marines in Egypt.& Obama missing Intell. meetings like crazy….these are grounds for impeachment of Clinton & about the tenth thing Obozo should be impeached for ..yet, the media become apoplectic about Romney’s comments…UNREAL!!!

    • Frank Gomez

      What would impeaching Clinton do? Maybe you forgot he already was impeached in Dec 19, 1998 and that did nothing to make him smaller, if any, gave him more power.

      • DEFENDER OF ALL FAITHS

        Did you fall asleep for 13 years??? I meant his better half, the Great Hilary !!!!

    • Joe Hammond

      In Benghazi it was a consulate that was attacked, not the Embassy. That is in Tripoli.

    • Flashy

      DF…”the whole appease & apologize dynamic on Obozo, who started if from day one in his Cairo speech!!!”

      Ummm…would you care to be specific as to what ‘apology” or ‘appeasement’ you are claiming? it certainly wasn’t the Cairo speech…

      BTW..you stated someone has to tell the Muslims what’s wrong with their religion. Ya think when folks tell christians what’s wrong with their religion you’ll be right there in support and agreement?

      • http://personalliberty EyeOnFreedom

        Flashy, it’s quite apparent that you are not old enough to have endured the Carter Administration and all of its blunders, let alone the after effects of it. Have you not finished your second round of eighth grade of indoctrination school yet? Or, were you bounced from HuffPo for your pathetic attempts to blend in with the clueless proggies who congregate there? Awww.

    • boyscout

      Two tools of diplomacy that Obama has of late tended to [expletive deleted] with are guns and money. Focusing on diplomacy (not war), embassies in (highly) unstable regions should be well defended and aid should be rationed quid pro quo. Keep in mind that [expletive deleted] has claws. Changes in policy should be forth coming, occur before the election, and continue regardless of who becomes our next POTUS. That is, unless our covert motive is to escalate hostilities. ?

  • PAUL FOR PRESIDENT

    Once again, Ron Paul is shown to be right, even on foreign policy….let’s get out of all these places around the world, save our money & the precious blood of our defenders & let them figure it out , while killing each other…keep our military strong & use it only unless it is absolutely necessary!!! Whatever we do, the Islamists will hate us , because we stand the way of them taking over the world!

    • Alex

      Please, please, please get ALL of your friends to vote for Ron Paul!! I will sleep so much easier if he can garner ten or eight per cent…

  • Frank Mlinar

    You have got to be kidding me. Romney is the one that attacked Obama over this. Obama simply defended himself. Even the Republicans didn’t like what Romney did.

    We all know the movie is poorly made. The media already reported on this. It does not in any way excuse islamophobia.

    • http://google rose

      I liked what Romney said. What are you basing your statement that “even republicans didn’t like what Romney did?”

      • eddie47d

        His shooting from the hip and not using any rational judgement on this issue Rose. He is not even close to being ready to be Commander in Chief. Obama might not be the best but Romney is worse.

      • Joe Hammond

        The following have criticized Romney for his statement: Joe Scarbourough, Billy Crystal, Eric Erikson, John Huntsman. All repubs.

      • Flashy

        Joe..add the names of just about every statesman(woman) with credibility and respect.

        Romney and Ryan are not Prime Time material …

        We know when that 3:00 a.m. call comes, Pres. Obama will meet it with cool, calm, get it under control and stop it from escalating into a crisis. With Romney, we’d best start digging the hole in the backyard to hunker down into ’cause he sure as heck has shown without doubt he’ll panic, make some uninformed decision, and it will blow up into a full fledged crisis …

      • MarathonMan

        Flashy … you mean just like BOB is dealing with the Arab Spring uprising, right? History repeats itself; welcome back to the calm, cool Jimmy Carter years. Thank you to the most intelligent and experienced president to ever hold the office, Barry Soetorro.

  • http://Yahoo.com Abby

    If you believe the movie blame, I have some swamp land to sell you in Florida. Lybia fficials claim the US was warned three days before the event and the US took no action. Is this because Obama didn’t attend the intel briefs or is he behind this destruction????

    • JC

      Nope, sadly it’s because it plays right into setting the stage for another Middle East War..,.gotta feed that ol Military Industrial Complex…or the US economy (what’s left of it) will fail completely. Not to mention the hidden effect of bringing more real estate under the control of the Globalists…

    • Flashy

      Abby….try as i might, i can locate no news reference to support the claim Libyan officials warned us three days in advance.

      Have a source?

      • JC

        According to Senator Paul it was the Egyptian government that called our embassy to say that a crowd was approaching. But that is the only warning we were given that I know of.
        Pricks take our money but couldn’t send any soldiers to protect our people…I say end their allowance now!

      • momo

        Flashy says:
        September 18, 2012 at 10:57 am
        Abby….try as i might, i can locate no news reference to support the claim Libyan officials warned us three days in advance.

        You didn’t look too hard, did you?

        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2204112/Libya-claims-US-warned-THREE-DAYS-advance-consulate-attacks.html

      • Vigilant

        momo, we might feel compelled to advise Flashy that reliance on moveon.org, the Huff Post, media matters and other leftist sites does not constitute “a search.”

      • Flashy

        Momo and Vig…OK, io read that story. I had read it before. Where does it specify anything but a warning “your security sucks”. States nothing about “hey, in about 48 hours your Consulate or Embassy is gonna get hit”

        It’s also not from the Libyan Government. But it is from what i can believe is a credible source that such was the conversation.

        Now….the guy is Libyan and said he sat down with US reps. Meaning the Ambassador would have been aware of the conversation. Just where is the immediacy that an attack was coming?

        I’m not saying our security was lacking. In that, the Ambassador should have been more cautious…9/1, the film was being circulated and unrest showing … he was at a lesser secure Consulate other than the Embassy etc.

        And that shows we knew it was planned….how?

        Try again guys ….

      • momo

        Vig, don’t confuse them with facts!

      • momo

        Flashy says: “I’m not saying our security was lacking. In that, the Ambassador should have been more cautious…9/1, the film was being circulated and unrest showing … he was at a lesser secure Consulate other than the Embassy etc.

        And that shows we knew it was planned….how? ”

        Gee, flashy, the attack comes on 9/11. The consulate comes under a barrage of small arms fire, mortar fire and rpgs are also in play. Now ask yourself, do you still believe it was an act of spontaneity? If so I have a bridge in Brooklyn you might be interested in!

    • Dale left coast

      JC . . . and what do you propose to do about the Iranians and their soon to appear nuclear weapons?
      They have clearly articulated their desires fand ambitions . . . so Mr Chamberlain . . . what would you do?

      • JC

        Dale, I believe that we are able to monitor them very closely. We have the technology.
        So I also believe that we should respond to a direct threat in a direct way. If they stick something out of the ground that has the potential to harm our friends and cause an environmental distaster…we limit that disaster to Iranian terrain by air strike or guided missile. This is not an endorsement for a general occupation of the entire Middle East.
        Signed Neville. :)

  • Joe Hammond

    Let us not forget that in Egypt we supported Mubarak for over 25 years.That included supplying him with arms for his military and secret police. And we did it to make sure that Israel would have a peaceful southern border.

    The people of Egypt have not forgotten this and harbor a grudge against us for this and the fact that we give a blank check to Israel despite our having caught them stealing secrets from the military, an act if committed by an Egyptian might have led to an armed conflict or a cut off of funds.

    The Islamic world sees us as a puppet in the hands of Israel. We cannot seem to do any moves without their approval. Even this latest demand from Israel to create a red-line for Iran’s nuclear weapons program plays into this illusion since we have allowed Israel to accumulate over 300-400 nuclear weapons without a single complaint from our leaders. Can’t one see the hypocrisy in this because the Islamic world does.

    Ron Paul is right when he says that we need to pull back from our 300 bases overseas and bring the military machine home. Consider the amount of money poured into local economies of places such as Colorado Springs, CO. or Killen, Texas by the troops rather than the bazaars of Kabul or shops of Kadena. Or the fact we will no longer be paying despots and republics for the bases.

    Of course, this would cause the military-industrial complex to lose all that “welfare” that they constantly get from the politicians who are blackmailed into weapons not demanded or asked for by the generals. And all that campaign money would not be there for the re-election of the politicians nor would the factory in their district since it would be closed by the military-industrial “welfare queen” as a punishment for not voting more slices of the budget to pay for the bonus structure of the weapons makers.

    Smedley Butler had it right in his booklet “War is a Racket”. It was right in the 1930′s and it is right today. No matter who takes control of the oilfields they are worthless if they cannot sell the oil to a strong industrial nation-state such as the US, Japan, or Europe.

    Energy independence means freedom from the military-industrial complex which is bleeding us dry….After all, war is good for the corporations and bad for the soldiers….

  • Cliffystones

    The bummer is, this movie will replace “Plan nine from outer space” as the worst movie of all time.

    • Flashy

      Hey ! Plan 9 From Outer Space? Bela Lugosi’s last film appearance? It’s so bad I kinda like that movie ! I would say “Santa Claus Versus the Martians” ranks as the worst movie ever made. Though “Robot Monster” gives it a run for the money

      This one doesn’t count as worst movie it was only a 14 minute “trailer”….there is no movie from what i understand…just this trailer.

  • Steve E

    At least they did not blame Bush on this one.

  • Cliffystones

    While I watched I half-expected Alex Karras to pop on the screen and proclaim “Mohammad only pawn in game of life”.

  • Tom Cook

    Ben, I seldom totally disagree with you, but you need to watch the movie before you criticize it. I’d not want to see a terrific Ridley Scott film. It is crudely shot, crudely acted and so it is perfect to portray the vulgarity of the scumbag mo-hammed: a dirty, greasy, perverted maggot child molester and murderer. The film is right out of the nasty little co-ran and I think it is absolutely brilliant. Anyone who has as keen a sense of humor and irony as you needs to take a look at the film and I hope it gets widespread interest for it shows what ignorant primitive subhumans arabs and the rest of the mus are. It is almost as brilliant as Sasha Cohen’s Bruno which shows that fags are [expletive deleted] creeps and the absolutely perfect delivery of the master–Clint Eastwood speaking to the empty chair that is our president.

    • http://personalliberty EyeOnFreedom

      You nailed it! Everyone should watch the entire 15 minutes or so of that clearly satirical short flick. I laughed so hard in the first two minutes – stopped it to regather my composure, and let it fly again. Too funny! Only a thin skinned radical zealot would find it so insulting to their Prophet (bast*rd) to use it as a reason to incite riots and murder.

      • Flashy

        yep…ridiculous. just a tad below being enraged by a simple thing as ensuring women have contraceptives in health insurance given by church supported institutions and companies …

      • http://personalliberty EyeOnFreedom

        @Flashy – Well, I’m a bit confused by your response as it deviates from the usual comeback from libs with regard to the old, overused argument of “separation of church and state!” If it is a Federally mandated insurance program, why would so called “religious” organizations be required to pay for contraception of their employees? Where is that separation? With so many other “special” groups being exempt from providing any coverage whatsoever under the mandate, why such a fuss regarding “religious organizations?” Are the exemptions only reserved for those who supposedly serve in our government, and only specifically chosen ethnic groups/minorities? Before you ask for specifics to back up my questions, be aware that I can and will provide the citations and proof.

      • Flashy

        EF..nowhere was a church or pure religious organization under that reg. What falls under that reg are affiliates who employ people of all faith and are not churches etc … impacting universities and hospitals etc.

        How does that interfere with church and religion? it doesn’t…unless you are American Taliban insisting everyone has to kowtow to religion no matter how distantly related to a church.

  • http://personalliberty EyeOnFreedom

    @Rose — I agree. Romney was more concerned and aware of the events as they were unfolding as opposed to the current CIC, having been advised of the looming threat of attack on our Embassy by several intelligence sources prior to his retiring for the night, yet chose to sleep instead. IMO, and by all appearances, he lost no sleep with regard to the tragic loss of life. To further add insult to injury, upon awakening, he chose to “tweet” a campaign message on his own behalf, then got around to reciting his spindoctor’s crafted remarks to cover for his chosen and well funded “brotherhood.” By that time, Romney had already exercised his right to free speech by voicing his concern and stance regarding the horrendous attack. That, I believe, caught O with his pants down. Again. How appropriate…

    • Flashy

      “having been advised of the looming threat of attack on our Embassy by several intelligence sources prior to his retiring for the night,”

      EF…ya got any source for this claim? BTW…i doubt your calim as it wasn’t the Embassy attacked in libya…it was a Consulate office.

      So you’re stating Pres. Obama purposely let a US Ambassador be killed.

      And that Romney knew what he was talking about when he spouted off, that his criticism prior to the attacks on the consulate was OK, that if you were in an Embassy in Egypt and a mob was outside you wouldn’t have sent out a softly worded communique’ to calm things down and all those leaders of every party who are telling him to shut the f up are wrong….

      Interesting.

  • ross

    I found this interesting I went on http://www.usembassy.gov and found that there is no U.S.embassy in Benghazi, Libya…?

    • Karolyn

      It was a consulate.

  • Jon

    Who do I need to kill to get a public apology from the President of the United States? Just wondering.

    • Flashy

      if it were Bush…all you’d have to do is shoot a Koran…and he was apologizing left and right for that (one of several times Bush Ii sucked up to the Arab oil sheikdoms).

      Pres. Obama? Ummmmm…got any instance where President Obama has apologized which wasn’t deservedly due?

      • Dale left coast

        Flash . . . if it was Bush . . . they would have thought twice . . . but the Kenyan mooslime is their buddy . . . he said so in his book . . . and his hob-knobing with the Brotherhood, a long-time terrorist group, it is abundantly clear to thinking Americans that the O is an appeasing wimp ! ! !

      • Flashy

        Dale…Bush and Cheney were the best recruiting poster boys al Qaeda and bin Laden could ever have hoped for. ya really think a terrorist act would have been called off because of Bush and Cheney? Egads…whatever drug you’re using, cut back the dosage !

        As for the Muslim brotherhood….are you speaking of the leadership of Libya and Egypt? Where for the first time an Arab leader told his nation…in Arabic…he and his country were apologizing to the US and helping nail the SOB terrorists? Or are you referring to when Clinton and Obama called the Egyptian President and in essence read the riot act and he came into line ?

        Or are you complaining about the first free elections in Egypt since…well…before the Pharaohs and you expect them to somehow learn democracy in a few months?

      • Flashy

        Vicki…health insurance supplied to employees of affiliates and companies owned by churches…or some wacked out employer states his employees had to toe the line because of his belief system … we would agree such is a very very very minor issue and distantly related to religion. Right? yet it went ballistic here. So escalate that to the level of what that film did to the Muslim populations.

        The American Taliban would go nuts here if the insult was at that level. heck…at half that level.

      • Patriot1776

        Flashy, obama started off his presidency with an apology tour of the world and even apologized to the Emporer of Japan for World War II. The only apology that obama hasn’t made is the one that is most deserved, to the next generations of Americans that will have to bear the burden of the debt that’s been run up.

  • Dad

    I think it is sad… the Democrats had no sense of outrage in the matter… their reaction was as if the murdered people were faceless Americans. They may not like America, but these were real people.

    • Flashy

      How do you arrive at this conclusion Dad? Just how would you want Moderates and progressives to act?

      • alpha-lemming

        We’d LIKE outrage and revenge at the perpetrators, reverence, thanks, and honor to the fallen, and sympathy and support to the survivors……..

        Sadly…. we’ve seen y’all in action so if it’s determined any of the dead were conservatives, we EXPECT you to celebrate….

  • rocketride

    Oh yeah, we’re not supposed to mention that the great and wise Prophet Muhammad (a 9-year-old) “piece” be upon him, was, in fact a murderous, warmongering pedophile, albeit one hell of a charismatic one. Just remember, the second amendment is for when we’re denied the benefits of the first (and all those others)– like now.

    • Flashy

      How would you know that about Mohammed? How do you know JC wasn;t what you claimed about Mohammed? There are enough christian sects which state biblical approval for pedophilia, adultery, sex with animals etc.

      ya think they’re correct? How would you know?

      • Patriot1776

        Name one christian sect that approves of “pedophilia, adultery, sex with animals”. The Bible is very clear of God’s position on these.

      • http://none Charlie

        Flashy,,,heathen ,,,you’ve been busted with Scripture,,,but,,, you may get relief by,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

  • uvuvuv

    us 1 goes all the way from provincetown massachusetts (very tip of cape cod) and comes to a strangely isolated end in bishop california.

  • chuckb

    barry soetoro is a muslim, these riots fit right into his agenda. this movie gave him the excuse to use it as a tool to cover for his ineptness and at the same time draw attention from the economy problems he is facing, he cares less about the lives lost, he cares more about the polls. you notice this incident hasn’t slowed his campaigning. the teleprompter probably hasn’t told him the ambassador and troops were killed. he hasn’t got to that line yet. hillary is befuddled, she hasn’t decided whether we are on the mulsim side or israel. wonders where her rug is.

  • CBUETT

    I find women having their doctor suck out their unborn baby with a vacuum, or 1/6 of the U.S population living off of other peoples money, or my president bypassing congress daily; far more offensive than a low budget crappy movie who any normal rational person would laugh at and forget about. The muslims didn’t care about the movie, they used it as a scapegoat to kill Americans! Any person who believes the movie excuse, please don’t have children, or at least don’t teach them anything; ever, at all!

  • Old504Troop

    If all of this unrest is due to some cheap video which had been on the internet for months -why did the attacks start on the anniversary of September 11th? Why are most of the protestors burning Barack Obama in effigy and chanting “Obama, Obama, we’re a thousand Osamas”? Could it be that the pres. has been spiking the football a little too much? Over 500 references to Obama being responsible for taking out Bin Laden were made at the DNC – “GM is alive and Bin Laden is dead”.

  • Old Henry

    Outta Scotch Ben?! You better put down that fantacy football nonsense and get humpin’ on a better inventory control system! Most liquor stores are open 12 – 15 hours a day for pete’s sake!

  • SJJolly

    ” the Islamofascist attacks for which our people were deliberately underprepared — as a direct result of Obama Administration orders — ”
    Ben: If you have any kind of factual evidence of your charge, take it before the US Congress and the American people. Or, is it something that came to you in a vision?

    “… were and are due to a movie entitled “Innocence of Muslims.” ” The video is like a cigar butt discarded in the gutter. Which some news persons, for reasons of self-promotion, re-lite, then carried through thick dry brush, igniting a series of brush fires. The news persons should be charged with political arson.

  • Kinetic1

    Ben,
    Just the other day I was talking with a gentleman from Iran. He has been in America for 10 years, though he often visits his family back home. He pointed out what you, and so many others seem to forget: Muslims in that region are not Christians from the west. They have been raised with a different set of values and laws. If you kill a man’s son, he will give his life to avenge him. Same for a wife, daughter, brother, etc. And nothing, even family is more important than their religion. Imagine an entire nation stopping everything they’re doing to pray. Imagine a religion that forbids images of their prophet. Now imagine the response of this nation when an American provocateur releases a movie, no matter how bad portraying the prophet as a child rapist, a fool and a thief!

    Now, let’s talk time line. Yes, the first “previews” were posted on YouTube back in July, but it was earlier this month that the video was dubbed in Arabic, then clips were shown on an Egyptian television station Sept. 8th. Now, is it so hard to imagine that an event on the 8th could cause a mass reaction 3 days later? Especially since the whole world knows the significance of Sept. 11?

    I agree that the attack on the Libyan embassy was more than just a protest of a bad film. That is not to say that the protests were not related to the film, but Libya’s president has suggested that Al Qaeda used the protests as a screen for an attack that had been planned for 9/11. Even ambassador Stevens had warned in a diplomatic cable about jihadist sentiment growing not far from Benghazi.

    And as for the idea that President Obama “tried mightily to make the murder of Americans and attacks on our embassies a story about Mitt Romney.”, you are playing fast and loose with the facts (as usual.) It was Romney who, after telling reporters that 9/11 was not a day for politicking jumped in front of the cameras to denounce Obama’s reaction to the events, even before the President had said anything! The president did nothing more than Romney’s fellow Republicans who also denounced his actions as ill advised. Only you, Rush and Hannity seem to support the actions of a candidate with even less foreign relation experience than Sarah Palin (who, I failed to note also supported Romney’s actions.) Romney made a fool of himself in an attempt to score foreign relations points, and the President called him on it. Your man came out looking like an a$$, again. If I were you I would stock up on the scotch and kleenex, because it’s going to be a long couple of months in your camp.

    • Vigilant

      “Your man came out looking like an a$$, again. If I were you I would stock up on the scotch and kleenex, because it’s going to be a long couple of months in your camp.”

      Ben said some time ago that he’s voting for Ron Paul. Romney’s not “his man.”

  • Tim

    The four Americans murdered in Liby were CIA operatives assinged to do a job for Obama. The diplomat was indeed CIA operative. They were there to find the weapons that Obama gave alcida so they could get rid of Gadaphi. These were the very weapons they used to kill the four Americans. It all sit’ right in Obama’s lap. He is covering it up. He is responsible for their murders.

    • Kinetic1

      Tim,
      Where in the world do you get this “information”? My wife has worked with several non-profits in that region and has interacted with Stevens before. He was known to be one of the good guys; one of the diplomats who understood the importance of truly caring about the people of the nation they were sent to work in. The reality of her experience is a lot more believable than the 3rd, 4th, 5th hand (or completely fabricated) evidence you present.

    • Karolyn

      OMG! And just who are YOU parroting?

  • chuckb

    kinetic 1, what did barry say after the fact? he didn’t have a clue what to say. his ignoring the chaos while campaigning isn’t making romney look bad, it did give us a clue what barry is made of. romney was right. what has you and the bolsheviks disturbed about he nailed barry and that is what has the media and your crowd upset

    romney: “apologizing for americas values are never the right course”

    so what is so bad about that other than he should have said more. it did show america what their dear leader is all about.
    as far as foreign relation experience is concerned, barry did not have a steady job until he became a state senator and went into the white house with absolutely no administrative experience much less any foreign affairs experience and so far has shown what knowledge he has of the world, other than bowing to a muslim king and apologizing to the muslim world, none.
    sell your propaganda elsewhere, i think most people are becoming aware of barry and hillary, two people with the same ideology, muslim/marxist

    palin and romney were both successful governors, what can hillary and barry bring to the table? oh, i forgot, hillary did show her prowess in keeping out of jail (white water) and getting away with murder (vince foster) can’t say much for barry, no one really knows who he is and still getting away from identifying himself. doesn’t that run a thrill up and down your leg, we have two of the most inept people in the world in charge of keeping the security of the country. yes, i think i’ll take that scotch and wipe my eyes with the kleenex,

    • Kinetic1

      Chuckb
      “apologizing for americas(sic) values are never the right course”
      And just how did Obama apologize for America’s values? The embassy expressed their condemnation of the video and it’s attack on Islamic beliefs. Should they have spoken out in support of this obvious attempt to create trouble in the Muslim world? And while the President also condemned the actions of the film’s producers, he defended their right to make such a film. He made it clear that in America we have the right to say what we believe, even when it’s offensive to some. So what “values” did he apologize for? The values expressed in this movie? I’ll tell you right now, if you believe that those are America’s values, you and Mitt both need to take a good long look in the mirror.

      • chuckb

        barry did apologize for the film. blaming the film was pure b.s it had nothing to do with firing up these riots, this was brought in to the fray by this administration they no doubt advised egyptian tv and hillary stirred it up . this administration was warned three days before 9/11 there was trouble on the way. barry simply ignored the warnings and continued on with his campaigning. remember he skips security meetings, that is below our highness, it doesn’t make much difference, he probably wouldn’t have understood the dangers. we were caught with our guard down by his ineptness and lost precious life.
        my contention he was hoping for diversion to take peoples mind off the economy. it backfired on him, romney hit him between the eyes with his statement except he didn’t hit him hard enough. better luck next time.

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

    About a month ago, the Canadian government, concerned for the safety of their ambassadors, re-called their ambassadors due to the increase in Western hostility in the region. Unfortunately, the American administration lacked the same common sense, and concern for their own representatives. The result, was most unfortunate, and the blame should be placed squarely at the feet of our own administration, as this tragedy could have been easily avoided by the exercise of prudence and foresight!

  • teaparty13

    Like his whole administration has been, it’s always someone else’s fault.

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

    Is it really possible the President of the United States was informed Muslim radicals were ready to strike American embassies, yet literally did nothing to warn them or bolster security? If so, Barack’s presidency is no longer tenable. If the US had credible knowledge of an impending Libyan embassy attack and took no defensive measures—this government must not stand.

    If Obama knew of the threat, and was indifferent, he is therefore morally unfit to lead, and perhaps suffering from a grave mental or character defect. Or, Barack did not know, and therefore cannot possibly be actually in command of his position, and therefore—is likewise unfit to lead.

    There can be no other interpretation of events. The world is suddenly so dangerous, we Americans must return to our senses to save ourselves and the rest of the free world. It is time to end this diseased experiment in political correctness, and progressive fantasies.

    “Cry ‘Havoc,’ and let slip the dogs of war—Act III, scene 1, Julius Caesar—William
    Shakespeare

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

    RED ALERT!!! NEEDS VIRAL NOW!!!! OBAMA SIGNED NEW ORDER FOR COMPLETE CONTROL!!!! YouTube

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpChoYgRaKs&feature=youtube_gdata_player

  • chuckb

    jay, there is little doubt in my mind, barry is too interested in this campaign, he has to win at any cost and is ignoring the problems growing in the middle east. it makes little difference to him, winning is on the agenda now. the media is trying to cover for him, that’s why all the controversy thrown at romney, i am very disappointed of him that he doesn’t take a more aggressive attitude, of course that has always been my description of romney, he’s a weak kneed sister, however, the republican hierarchy shoved him down our throat. this is mr. karl roves pick, you notice mr rove is rarely seen on the news any more. unfortunately i have to back him, there’s no alternative, he’s still better than barry any way you look at it. this country cannot survive four more years of the current white house occupant.
    if barry wins this election we will not be the usa, it will be the untied socialist states of america. we already have california and new york in that category and growing moire so by the day. if it isn’t stopped there will be rebellion in this country. in fact there may be if romney wins, these leaches on welfare (i don’t refer to people who are truly needy) will be hard pressed to change their ways and may resort to rioting such as we see in the middle east, most have that mentality.

  • swampfox

    if it was me as prez,
    I would pick a consulate house off by it self and with a good kill zone and surround the structure
    with several hundred claymore mines all well concealed and place prepared explosives under the foundation of the structure,such as a 1000 gal tank of propane or some other highly explosive liquid
    similar to a huge fuel air blast munition and wait for the jihadies to storm the place and after the claymores thinned them out i’d then have the ambassador go into a bunker connected to the structure by a tunnel and wait for the jihadies to group up real good and giggle as I initiated the
    the big kaboom.
    maybe i’d sucker them by flying the biggest US stormflag I could get and fill the pole with explosives.and ball bearimgs and kaboom,
    they would think twice when word.got around of what happened to several humdred of their whacked out jihadie brethren and then i’d make damn sure the event was publisized everywhere so they would know what’s going to happen to the next batch of idiots who decides to get stupid.
    but alas,that’s just me,oh well,makes for.a.warm and fuzzy mental picture though.

  • Tim

    Kinetic 1, I suspect we all will know that it’s true soon enough. A few know the truth, others think they do. Say what you want, it means nothing to me . Let’s just say you have to know the right sources. Can’t say anymore.

  • Tim

    One more thing, A brother does not go around carrying a sign that says I am on a covert op, during or even before or after a CIA op. Give me a break. If one were even halh as smart as they try to let on, they would know these things!

  • Trish

    What would our founding fathers think of Obammy? Just sayin

  • Maggie

    This was the most stupid movie ever produced. I would be offended WITH the movie if the Muslims would not be acting like A*******.Now I am offended by both of these AND my government for trying to spin the whole thing into lies. The Muslims are upset because we killed Bin Laden,plain and simple,and I am offended because they have and are continuing to kill innocent people and people who are trying to help them into this century. My solution.
    Leave,take our weapons and money from the whole region.Tell them we will live in peace as long as they do not harm a hair on another Americans head or we will bomb them into eternity ,where they seem to want to be anyhow.Perhaps only God can civilize these people.

  • niccko

    Well you have to give obozo credit…..always thinking…this time he avoided the ‘Bush Bash……real genius comes up with a you tube movie…I’ll bet his hollowood friends are mad that they didn’t have a chance to get to the tryouts for the anti islam movie…another bummer for obummer!

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