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Assange Says Obama Should Resign If Illegal Spying Is Found To Be True

December 8, 2010 by  

Assange says Obama should resign if illegal spying is found to be trueWikiLeaks founder Julian Assange has called for President Barack Obama's resignation if it can be proven that Obama approved illegal spying techniques.

During an interview with Spanish daily El Pais, Assange said the President should respond to the claim that Secretary of State Hillary Clinton asked for United Nations personnel's telephone numbers, emails, credit card details and frequent flier numbers, according to Agence France-Presse. The information was revealed in one of 250,000 classified State Department cables that were leaked on Assange's Website, WikiLeaks.

"The whole chain of command who was aware of this order, and approved it, must resign if the [United States] is to be seen to be a credible nation that obeys the rule of law," Assange told the Spanish newspaper. "The order is so serious it may well have been put to the President for approval."

According to CNN, U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder said on Dec. 6 that he has authorized "significant" actions as part of the criminal investigation of WikiLeaks. He said that America's security has been put at risk because of these "arrogant, misguided" actions of Assange.

The 39-year-old Australian is facing global criticism for leaking confidential documents, and he's also wanted by Swedish authorities for sex-crime allegations. A Swiss bank has closed Assange's account, claiming that he provided false information regarding his residence when he opened the account, according to the news provider. 

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  • Angel Wannabe

    Chaos, Chaos and More Chaos!___I think this whole Wiki leak fiasco, is nothing more than a created “crisis”, a distraction, and a cover up, to further the Progressive agenda. Point is, no ones really sure who’s behind it, all thats really known is that Julian Assange is nothing more than a front man._
    America is weak right now especially in the economic front, and the progressives won’t waste ANY Good Crisis, in order to move ahead. NOTHING is what it seems. Any statements regarding these leaks, we don’t know wether they’re lies or not. Whoever the driving force behind this is, has been a success on one front, in creating “Organized Chaos & Confusion”.__
    “All I can say is, We Are Not Amused!”

    • TIME

      Angel,

      At first I was thinking from the intel I was getting that Assange was guilty of Treason. But faulty intel not unlike what we all get most of the time, and if “anyone watches the Telie Media news its faulty all the time” yet after getting more intel, he is not guilty of anything as far as the Law is concerned, thus I retract my statmets about such guilt, and thus Humbly Apologize to Mr.Assange.

      What he has posted is known to many of the people who do dig intel out and thus “only proves” what many of us have been saying for years now, ~ that all Governments are leading their countrys down a one way road and its the wrong road ~ thats a good thing.

      Be that as it may he is playing with a crew of people who are not nice people, and we all know the old saying, if you lay with dogs your will get flee’s.

      I do however strongly feel that the timing is dead on with the FCC. moves to control Free Speach, so again how much of this is to get the results needed to “Gain MORE CONTROL” the mass’s.

      • Marie

        Can you further explain why Governments leading their people down the wrong path is “a good thing”?

        • TIME

          Marie,

          I see you completely missed the point.

          I did not say that any government leading us down the wrong road was a good thing.

          Please grasp what I said is that “exposing” of such is a GOOD THING.

          Don’t try and place words in my statments that are not there.
          Thank You

          • Yvonne

            You didn’t need to get so testy with her…I read it the first way, and she was not rude to you, simply curious, as was I. You might be more clear next time. I had to read it slowly and carefully a third time before I saw what you meant. Thank you.

          • TIME

            Yvonne,

            I was hardly rude, if you think that my responce was rude, YOU really need to get out more and learn what RUDE really is.
            What I posted was abundantly clear, the second post was far from Rude.

          • Kinetic1

            TIME,
            One, I agree with you about Assange and two, your use of punctuation made it clear to me what you were saying. Perhaps that comes from years of reading and editing, but I had not problem understanding your point. That having been said, I read Marie’s post as one of confusion, not intentional misrepresentation, so perhaps you were a bit harsh.

          • Marie

            Thanks for clarifying that.
            If you reread the sentence you’ll understand that an extra word or two would have made the sentence a little more clearer.

            Now, I’m sure this answer is going to get your dander up as well, and I assure you that I’m not trying to make you angry.
            You made a statement. I asked a question.
            You answered the question.
            And it satisfied my curiosity.
            Case closed.
            We’re all a little testy these days I suppose.
            Have a good day TIME

        • DaveH

          Reread his sentence, Marie. He wasn’t saying that.

          • Marie

            You’re right DaveH,
            I reread the sentence again, since it’s become somewhat of a topic of conversation, and I see that he wasn’t saying Governments leading their countries down the wrong path, is a good thing.

            Thanks for coming to my defence Yvonne and Kinetic1, your both correct. I wasn’t trying to be rude. The sentence confused me and I’m not an editor, nor am I in the habit of reading or rereading a few times unless the sentence is really confusing.

            Time wrote: “…that all Governments are leading their countrys down a one way road and it’s a wrong road – that’s a good thing”

            Had he put that statement into ()and added – that’s a good thing. I would have easily understood what he meant.
            So it was a punctuation problem.

      • Teresa

        I agree w/you, but however if Eric Holder would do his job we would have less confrontation w/the FCC on OUR freedom of speech, which is the card they will be playing now!

        • Robert Smith

          All of the current FCC restrictions on speech were initiated under Bush as the result of a “wardrobe failure.” I think Janet Jackson was either hired or blackmaled by the Bush administration into giving Chaney, etc., the lever to restrain the media when it came to issues of privacy and the corrupt handling of the economy.

          Rob

          • wayne

            After 2 years of President Bush being out of office, why are we still looking behind us, and blaming others. What has been done is history. Quit your looking back, and let’s all look toward the future. However, with a Muslim leading us, I am not sure that our future will be a rosy one. I just read in the St. Petersburg Times this AM where President Obama admittd to Congress that he was a Muslim. I have known this for the last two years. Have I been the only one smart enough to figure this one out, or are most people refusing to acknowledge it. Both parties need to consider the needs of the people of this country and quit blaming each other and start working for the betterment of the country. This nation needs jobs, not two parties blaming each other.

          • Angel Wannabe

            RS, Oh Harriet, here we go again with the blame Bush game again!____YAWWWWWNING!!!

          • Robin from Arcadia, IN

            Robert Smith…
            Neither Bush nor Cheney is pulling any strings. I am not saying they couldn’t be involved, but they are not the ‘string pullers’, not now and not then!

            I agree with Angel. Nothing is what it seems anymore. The MSM does not report the truth and much is left out to keep us ‘dazed and confused’. It almost seems like we are now in the ‘Outer Limits’ or some other science fiction program where things have changed and now we are seeing it all more clearly.

          • Aix Sponsa

            to WAYNE

            Of course it’s obvious that BigO is a muslim.

            quote
            “I just read in the St. Petersburg Times this AM where President Obama admittd to Congress that he was a Muslim.”

            Where is that Wayne? I can’t find it, and I am looking right now. Find it on their website and give us the link to that statement, please.

          • Kinetic1

            Wayne,
            The actions of the last administration (or those of all previous administrations for that matter) are important to any discussion. Consider those who scream about Obama and his TARP. It would seem they have forgotten that TARP was initiated under Bush. Had they remembered, would it have changed their view on the subject? Clinton signed NAFTA, but it was started by the first President Bush. It matters who did what and who either benefits or suffers. Folks on this site are quick to give credit for Clinton’s economy to President Reagan. How is that different than suggesting that President Bush’s actions still effect President Obama? In fact, Bush 1 had to deal with the consequences of the Reagan administration and Clinton had to deal with the downturn of the Bush administration. It matters.

            As for the Saint Petersburg story, I’m sure lots of people on this site will now quote you as proof, but I don’t see anything about this anywhere. Why? Maybe because it’s all B.S.

          • Robert Smith

            Wayne asked: “After 2 years of President Bush being out of office, why are we still looking behind us, and blaming others”

            Because, as I explained, BUSH was responsible for the attacks on CBS because of Janet Jackson’s fiasco at the Super Bowl. That can easily be considered a point source example of the government restraint on free speech, an attack on a network, and it proves the point that there ain’t no such thing as a free liberal press.

            Bush IS responsible for that.

            Rob

      • Flynn

        Mr. Angel,

        You are not a true angel because you are lying. Stealing is a crime. Mr. Assange and his organization stole private, classified documents. Mr. Assange is only wrapping his jounalistic “holier than thou” aura around him and claiming that the truth shall always make you free. We are at war, and truth, like any weapon of war, must be used to win that war. If we allow our weapons to be stolen, the war is lost.

        • DaveH

          Oh, Please. Evil Government leaders love people like you, Flynn. Many of those documents are secrets kept from the American people and other countries’ citizens that should have never been secret in the first place.
          Are you one of those who excuses Governments from stealing, snooping, lying, and murdering, as if somehow the people in Government are immune from the natural laws of morality?

          • Bruce D.

            Are you suggesting the United States does not need to gather information by spying? That it is better not to know about things like 9/11 in advance.

          • DaveH

            I am suggesting Bruce that Government Overclassifies information. Things that have nothing to do with Military actions or the pursuit of Justice. I am suggesting that Government serves the people and as such should be keeping very few secrets from the public.

          • Bruce D.

            To me it is naive for anyone to say that the country does not need spies and that the intelligence gathered should not be kept secret.

          • DaveH

            And I think the Naive one is you Bruce. The military state leads people like you around by the nose.

          • Bruce D.

            I guess for you DaveH Iran and North Korea having nukes is no big deal. After all it is not like they will ever use them. They just like the idea of having them.

          • wayne

            We need to keep secrets on our enemy, or they will destroy us. We should never keep secrets on others for political reasons, or other law abiding people that just want a better country.

          • DaveH

            First the name-calling, then the hyperbole. Quit behaving like a Liberal, Bruce.
            We have Nukes, Bruce, or have you not noticed? Moreover, we are the only country in history to have actually used them. Precedent, get it? And you think our Government can be trusted with them?
            And who said I like the idea of North Korea or Iran having Nukes? I would like it if nobody had weapons but myself, but then that would be a bit unrealistic wouldn’t it?

          • Bruce D.

            You are very defensive today DaveH. I have called no one a name. I stated that I believe it is naive to think we do not need spies and need to keep the intelligence gathered confidential. I stand by that statement. You should not blog if you do not like being challenged. I believe North Korea is a threat as they want to export their technology. I believe that Iran is a double threat as they have openly stated that if they had them they will one day use them. I can think of no reason to mention that the United Staes has nuclear weapons and was the first to use them except for America bashing as we all know they have them and I feel as do most they will not use them to start a war.

          • DaveH

            Calling somebody naive is not name calling? I guess then you won’t mind if I call you Ignorant.

          • Bruce D.

            I did not call you naive DaveH but if the shoe fits, wear it. I said anyone who thinks that spying is not necessary is naive. All the aggression and name calling seems to be coming from you DaveH..

          • Bruce D.

            “To me it is naive for anyone to say that the country does not need spies and that the intelligence gathered should not be kept secret.”
            Actually DaveH these are my actually words and for this you get hostile and highly offended. Instead of attacking me and lashing out why don’t you think about it. It is possible but I cannot imagine a lot of people disagreeing with me on that quote. If there are so what. That is there chose like it is your chose.

          • James

            BruceD, If the government knew about 9/11 in advance, should they have made that known to the 3000 employees in the WTC?

        • TIME

          Flynn,
          Your a bit off the road, so lets see if we can get you back on the road.
          Mr. Assagne has a web sight, “he did not steal anything.”

          What he did is post Intel that was given to him buy someone who obviously displayed just how week our security is.
          After all this fact has been displayed by the fact that Barry Soetoro is the POTUS, of what many of us have been saying for a LONG time now.

          I hope that aid you in understanding this issue.

          • Bruce D.

            I would think that if he leaked stolen information about the identities of those in Afghanistan that are helping us and Alquada had them killed that would not be okay. I do not know how you could look at it as something other than aiding and abeting the enemy.

          • DaveH

            You want fewer people to be killed, Bruce, and yet you advocate our presence in Afghanistan? Our founders warned against foreign entanglements and we are seeing the results of those entanglements. We are wasting our young soldiers lives in foreign wars to protect other countries’ Freedom, while at the same time we are losing ours here. Our freedom isn’t secured by military campaigns around the Globe. Those campaigns only serve to enrich the Leaders and their Crony Capitalists.
            Yes, we should have punished the perpetrators of 911 and their cohorts severely, but then we should have gotten out. We aren’t going to change the culture of those nations with military force. We only drive their hatred for the US beneath the surface where it festers until the next time.

          • Bruce D.

            So you are making a case that he is aiding and abetting the enemy or that he is not. Your answer was not clear on that.

          • DaveH

            Aiding and Abetting the enemy? Please, neither you nor I know even the slightest amount of information pertaining to who the Enemy really is. I am making the case that Evil Leaders love to keep their Subjects in Ignorance.

          • Bruce D.

            Normally you have to consider someone who wants to kill you your enemy. We have had successful and failed attempts on American soil.

        • Angel Wannabe

          Flynn, if these documents are SO classified, then how did Assange get a hold of them and Why wasn’t he prosecuted the first time he pulled this?_He had to have had help getting these documents?!

        • Robin from Arcadia, IN

          Flynn… The names we are hearing in the news are only ‘fall guys’… The ones who actually orchestrated all these leaks and had the ability to obtain them are sitting back and watching and waiting to see who takes the fall first. They are only players.

        • Angel Wannabe

          Flynn, That’s Mrs Angel, Thank You very much, and my nick name implies, that I’d like to be Angel but am well aware that I’m not!

        • USNpops

          Mr Assange is a jerk, and seems to believe the ends justify the means, and he is getting famous for it. True!!!!

          But the bottom line here, that nobody seems to be looking at, is the root of this whole thing. A member of our military who stole classified information and turned it over to a foreign national to be used as he saw fit. Treason, I think so, and the real target of this entire thing.
          And his reason for treason, to get even with the US Government for the Dont Ask Dont Tell policy in the military that has given him the ability to serve for many years.

          • Angel Wannabe

            USNpops__that’s a thought! Assange was originally alleged to be Gay, until the recent rape charge, and is now obvious he’s Bi-sexual.__

        • wayne

          Directed to Aix Sponsa. There was not any reply under Aix’s column so I am writing this under Aix column. Aix, I went back and reread that column. I found it was a satire column written by Andy Borowitz. It is in the opinion section of the St. Petersburg Times, page 11a. I have heard Obama say twice that he was a Muslim while being interviewed on ABC by George Stephanopoulos. This occurred once before he was elected president and once last summer. Each time it was a slip of the tongue by Obama. The last time Obama said to George. Even though I am Muslim, George stopped him at this time and said you mean Chistian, Obama then said yes, I meant Christian. I am of he Christian Faith and I have never made a mistake telling some one I was a Muslim. Think about this, could you ever forget your faith? I don’t think so. When you tell the truth you don’t have to worry about making a blunder like this. When you lie, sometimes you can forget what you have said.

          • Robert Smith

            I’m a Christian by choice. My family didn’t—frankly, they weren’t folks who went to church every week. And my mother was one of the most spiritual people I knew, but she didn’t raise me in the church. So I came to my Christian faith later in life, and it was because the precepts of Jesus Christ spoke to me in terms of the kind of life that I would want to lead—being my brothers’ and sisters’ keeper, treating others as they would treat me. I think also understanding that Jesus Christ dying for my sins spoke to the humility we all have to have as human beings, that we’re sinful and we’re flawed and we make mistakes, and that we achieve salvation through the grace of God. But what we can do, as flawed as we are, is still see God in other people and do our best to help them find their own grace. That’s what I strive to do. That’s what I pray to do every day. I think my public service is part of that effort to express my Christian faith.

            – President Barack Obama, September 27, 2010[

            Rob

        • elcapitancarol

          Flynn,

          Do not be afraid of Assange. The truth will set you free. We can not be free while lies are used to manipulate our actions.

          “Step over here my boy. That is not quick sand, just a little mud.”

          Lies by our government lead us to step into quick sand. I rather be my own guide following the truth.

      • Angel Wannabe

        I agree TIME,__ya Let a goofball, release classified Intel and push net regulations at the same time__It does look funny?!__One Question remains though__What is classified material doing on the net in the first place,”if” in fact that’s where he got the info from?__A lot of stuff is a miss here…

      • Bruce D.

        If Obama wanted to keep that information secret he should have kept it in the same place he keeps his birth certificate and college transcripts.

        • Teresa

          BINGO!

        • Robin from Arcadia, IN

          Bruce D
          Funny! But oh so true!

        • Violet

          Touche, Bruce, Touche. The sword struck at the heart of the matter. We are all fencing here and it is good to read someone’s posting cutting to the heart of the matter. We have a foreign born illegal president that someone orchestrated into office just as each previous one was slid into place by international bankers and other power brokers. It is advantageous for them to keep us in the dark regarding their motives. Bush Sr. is an evil man who spoke openly about the New World Order. His son resembles the local village idiot chimp both in actions and ability. REagan was a buffoon who slept through more meetings than we could number. Johnson was an evil emperor with no clothes. He was privy to the Kennedy murders. He was power hungry and was easily bought. Carter was incompetent and the worst president besides Obama. Clinton couldn’t keep his pants buttoned. His wife is a disgusting cretin passing for a human being.

          Should I go on??? We all know these things. The difference now is that we have a president in office who is actively muslim and trying to make us into a muslim nation. Fat chance, Barry, for we will not go quietly.

          • Bruce D.

            I would have to disagree with you about Reagan. He was a great man. If nothing else he changed the direction of thought in America back to Constitutional conservatism. There are still unanswered questions about Kennedy and who may have wanted him dead. I am told he had printed U.S. treasury notes and that did not set well with some. I have one. If so he was bucking the power elite which may have made him a great man if true.

          • “JAVOPE”

            You should read (The Kill Zone by Craig Roberts)Kennedy was the last real president we had. You can find it here–Avery good read!
            http://www.amazon.com/Kill-Zone-Sniper-Looks-Dealey/dp/0963906208/ref=sr_1_16?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1291834229&sr=1-16

    • Al Sieber

      Angel, I have my suspicions about Wiki Leaks, something is not right about the whole fiasco. is this just another created diversion?

      • DaveH

        Al,
        Leaders will be trying anything possible to create the chaos that they need to keep the public under their thumbs. Surely, you don’t think that Wikileaks is all made up? Have you seen any refutations of the leaked documents. I haven’t. Only wild accusations of treason and other such things.
        If there is any conspiracy in the Wikileaks information, it is a conspiracy on the Government’s part to control the damage to their reputations with whatever wool they can use to pull over the eyes of the public.

        • Al Sieber

          DaveH, no I don’t think Wiki Leaks is made up, I do know they’re trying to hide a lot from us, and have been, it should all be made public.

          • Robert Smith

            If Obama’s “birth certificate” had showed up would anyone around here have believed it?

            All those leaks are useless in very much the same way lots of posts are around here. Screeching, screaming, and jockeying for position using twists on scraps of information in an attempt to find a smoking gun of some sort.

            Rob

      • Angel Wannabe

        Me too Al, theres something besides the Fox in the hen house!!_ It looks like an organized leak?!__if this intel Assange has is so classified, to repeat what said above, why wasn’t something done about it, when he did it the first time?__if he did it once, you know he’d try and do it again.

        • Violet

          May I say, Mrs. Wannabe, that your insistent use of underscoring at the end of each sentence is distracting. Reading your postings is more work than one wishes to put into it. I ask, respectfully, please don’t distract with those underscores after you have already punctuated.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Violet__I’ve done it since I’ve been on this site_ and doubt that I’ll stop now,_ Thanks for your suggestion though!

          • DaveH

            I also find it distracting, Angel, and skip many of your comments as a result. Of course it is your choice to continue or not.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Violet and Dave, _ I wasn’t aware we were still in high school, if you find you’d rather not post back to me because_ I’m not posting the way you think I should, I’ll let you to it then, Thanks.

          • DaveH

            You would rather be ignorant about the fact that your punctuation might cause people to skip over your comments?
            High School?
            You remind me of a story I tell people who don’t like hearing the truth:
            I never complain about my meals in a restaurant. Why? Because generally when one complains, the restaurant staff gets indignant, maybe not overtly but you can see it in their faces and body language. I just don’t go to that restaurant anymore. But, think about this, the complainers are actually helping the restaurant by giving them a chance to improve their product. If all the customers were like me, they would just lose all their customers and maybe never know why.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Well Dave, If you think I’ve been indignant, then you haven’t heard me really get p*ssed off, have ya?_ I’m not selling opinions or products on this site. I pop on and leave an opinion and then leave. When I stop back, I answer if someone posts to me. I don’t come here to get into petty p*ssing contests about how I post__Furthermore Dave, if someone doing something I don’t like, I ignore them, and you should too!__Enuff said!_Have a great night! :)

        • Al Sieber

          Angel, you only hear what they you want you to.

          • Al Sieber

            Also Angel, Wiki Leaks has a lot of information that probably wouldn’t surprise us a all.but some people don’t want to know.

        • Bruce D.

          Angel I think we may have some on this site who feel they need to control everything. You are not one of them.

          • libertytrain

            good grief – much ado about nothing.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Bruce D, AL SEiber and Libertytrain___Talk about some folks being Holiday Grumps!__Getting ticked off about the way I post?!!!!_Geez oh man, can they get any more petty!!

          • libertytrain

            Angel they aren’t grumps – sometimes things are just hard to read – not many of us are spring chickens in the eye department so don’t take it offensively when someone has a hard time reading. Kind of like all caps drive us all crazy. I noticed Bob Wire stopped putting in all the characters that made his hard for me to read and I never complained though I am grateful he did.

        • Robert Smith

          Nobody is going to die because of these leaks.

          However because of the Bush / Chaney leaks about CIA people there were deaths.

          Rob

      • Yvonne

        Anything to control and close down the Internet and other alternative sources of media that are keeping people informed of what the Social Democrats and other pro communist entities are up to. As Glenn Beck says, “Watch the other hand.”

        • Angel Wannabe

          Yvonne, we can’t trust any of them!_-all we can do is watch them.

        • DaveH

          Do you find it alarming, Yvonne, that we can not access the wikileaks.org website? I do. What happened to the First Amendment?

          • elcapitancarol

            I went to the Wikileaks site last night. Just a little peserverance and yuou can get around the fact that our government does not want us to see.

            wikileaks.ch

            Go for it. Very interesting…and you can read the documents for yourself. Also, many supporters who have MIRRORED Wikileaks site all over the world.

    • joesiler

      ANGEL, YOUR RIGHT ON THE MONEY. THIS IS AN INSIDE JOB

      • Angel Wannabe

        josiler_I just think this whole wiki leaks fiasco, is being used as a distraction__Otherwise why is he allow to continue with leaking information?_It makes no sense.

    • EddieW

      This is the best article I have ever read on WHY this sh** is taking place…It’s called, Is Liberalism a mental disease, then goes on to prove it!!! I’m sorry the only link to it I have is in my blog…
      http://barnabus1.tblog.com/

    • http://www.lubedealer.com/Partsmans-Site Glen

      1)Should he resign….Yes…never should have been allowed to run for office without positive proof of birth place.
      2)Has anyone figured out how a private got access to classified intel in the first place? Plus, how was it removed from a secure site?
      3)Is there a great deal of smoke & mirrors ….. OH YEA! I beleave there is a saying “How do you tell if a member of government is telling a lie?” answer “Are his /her lips moving?” There are all sorts of lies…BIG ones, little ones, lies of omission. They all attempt to hide the truth.

      The truth is that You and I are responsible for protecting our freedoms….not some government hack. If We the People fail to police the government we will get exactly want we deserve…..no freedom. This would be really sad considering all the citizens who gave their lives to give/keep those freedoms to/for their children.

  • J.M.R.

    he should resign because he’s not a natural born american, he not even close to be an american

    • Marie

      And his entire administration – including every Czar he has appointed!!!!!!! Should be forced to leave with him.
      How we have allowed this madness to go on is beyond my understanding!

      • Robert Smith

        Hi Marie,

        “How” is an easy answer. Obama was legally elected. If there had been any proof whatsoever McCain’s team would have gotten it. There simply isn’t any proof or McCain’s team is the most incompitant bunch of clowns to ever make an attempt to install a President.

        BTW, how do we know McCain wasn’t indoctrinated during all those years in Hanoi? I’m not sure that just because he says he wasn’t brainwashed is enough for me.

        Rob

        Rob

        • TIME

          Robert,

          Macane is no differant than Barry Soetoro, one just has more gray hair. Same team same game plan.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Time< Lindsey Grahms another one!

        • DaveH

          Time is right, Robert. Your Obama rescue attempt falls flat on its face because McCain is just another Big Government lover like Obama.

        • Bruce D.

          The Supreme Court needs to make a ruling on what a natural born citizen is. There does not appear to be a legal definition and the Supreme Court as well as others are avoiding the issue. The birth certificate Obama showed on the internet was one of someone not born in Hawaii but of someone from there. His grandparents address was given as a residence. His father was a foreigner. The American people have a right and a duty as well as people who work for government to uphold the Constitution. The courts and congress are not upholding the constitution by refusing to have an open hearing on it.

          • TIME

            Bruce,

            Its very clear what a “naturl born citizen” is. Thus the SC need not do anything on that issue at all.

            What the SC needs to do is “fire their staffs” who are withholding cases being brought to the SC that would blast Barry Soetoro’s butt out of office.
            But what really needs to be done is hold every State’s Governor as well Attorney Generals, Congress & Senate persons responsible for their lacking to do the job they were hired to to. “VET.”
            If that had been done Barry Soetoro would have never been on a single states ballot. Can I make that any more clear?

          • DaveH

            The financial and human resources that have been wasted questioning the eligibility for Obama to be President would have been employed far more profitably on turning around the Big Government propaganda machine that our Children are subjected to in our Public Schools.
            Obama is just the visible tip of the Iceberg. The real danger lies beneath the surface. And that danger will exist until we the people get our acts together and realize that Big Government is the problem. Whether it is run by Left-Wingers or Right-Wingers is immaterial.

          • Bruce D.

            The school system is the biggest threat to the Constitution and the Republic for which it stands. But it is important to uphold the integrity of the Constitution and that means people who are in office need to have the qualifications it takes to be there. To my knowledge there is no legal definition to the term ‘natural born’ and the meaning was not properly addresses by the ‘founders’. Others have done research on that and they make that claim.

        • Marie

          Sad but true.
          He was elected by those who were blinded by hope, or by those who were eager to get past the racial barriers of the past, some hoped for healing, and by those who wanted real and good changes to be implemented, others just wanted health care.

          Those of us who were not blind to the dangers he posed, were ignored and I agree, I voted for McCain as what I thought was the lesser of two evils. We didn’t have a strong enough candidate to defeat him, and I think if Sarah Palin hadn’t been his running mate he would have been defeated by an embarrasing landslide.

          However, Sarah Palin makes me wonder too these days – everyone seems to be more interested in their own popularity and success than they are in the future of this country.

          I’m beginning to realize that “all politicians” (Dem. & Rep.) “are the same” is an understanding that’s come a little too late in the game.

          That old saying, “You can’t fight city hall” was a popular one for a very long time, and we shrugged our shoulders and accepted it.

          • wayne

            I am with you on this one Marie.

  • Wendy Price

    Angel, you are correct. So are you JMR. Truth be told, we don’t know who this guy is. What we do know, is that he holds the most powerful office in the country, yet, does not behave like an American citizen. Should he resign over the wikileaks think? Mabye. Should he resign based on the fact that he is not a real American? Definately.

    • DaveH

      Obama resign? That would be the day. You folks need to leave the Hoping and Dreaming to the Liberals.
      Even if he did, who would replace him? Biden? Pelosi? Obama is just a figurehead. The real problem resides beneath the surface and that is the severely propagandized American people.
      Our main focus, if we want our country back, needs to be on freeing our children from the Public School Propaganda machines. We need to push hard for voucher systems and private schooling. It is our only real hope.

      • Angel Wannabe

        Obama RESIGN?___God help us__with who’s left in office to run the Country!!

        • elcapitancarol

          Hillary of course

        • Bob Wire

          For anyone that was paying attention, the nation was in huge disarray by Oct. 2008 and it wasn’t a big secret for many of us as early as 1986.

          The true extent of this damage only revealed in the following 6 months following February 20th 2009 as the new administration found dirt swept under the carpet and matter uncompleted and left undone.

          To have missed this revelation would require one to be bedridden and in a coma or marooned on a deserted island somewhere.

          “W” has the rewards of “Legacy” and it will precede him as he and others attempts to put their spin on it while conflicting with factual data.

          We live in the shadow of the “Deciders” decisions and that cannot be undone regardless.

          The same will be said of “O” long after he is gone.

  • Greg

    I have a suggestion to all who would listen. I’m certain I’m not the original author of this plan. I seem to remember someone suggested a strict boycott of ALL mainstream media who’ve been supplying “mis-information” over the years seems to be a perfectly excellent way to punish them. It would require all patriots to stop subscriptions to the liberal rags they recieve. Tune out of your favorite soaps, sit-coms, and yes even sporting events. If a large majority we’re to make it clear that not one cent of advertisers money was reaching their target markets, they would cease spending money with these liberal outlets. Cut off the main stream media’s income, and I believe they’ll begin to take note that we’re not listening anymore. I wonder if anyone would consider supporting me were I to start a grass roots movement? It would take several people working in several States to circulate the idea. I suspect it wouldn’t take long for the movement to be noticed, ridiculed and monitored. We certainly wouldn’t recieve any support from the mainstream media. Perhaps allies such as FOX, Glenn, Rush, and the Internet while we still have the chance. Any takers?

    • skippy

      Well, at least it sounds like a plan Greg. Not sure if it would take hold, but it is a place to start. Perhaps, the best way is to choose a time (or span), or a particular program. Just thinking….but you are right, hit ‘em where it hurts!!!

      • Dagney

        This has already been implemented. If you’ll notice, the New York Times is losing money, the legacy media is slowly, but surely, going out of business. It has been predicted by Rush, I believe, that Obama will bail out the legacy media. That must not happen! The liberal cable networks, CNN, MSNBC, et al, all have ratings that would put them out of business if they weren’t propped up by government and their allies. PBS wouldn’t exist as it currently is if it weren’t for government grants.

        There’s really no need to boycott. Free market principles are getting them slowly but surely. If you ain’t selling something people want, you don’t make any sales. The liberal adjenda is quite noxious to people who THINK and Obama is doing the rest of the job by waking all the other Americans up!

    • Robert Smith

      From Greg: ” I wonder if anyone would consider supporting me were I to start a grass roots movement? ”

      Greg, the mainstream media is NOT liberal contrary to what a bunch of luniticks on the fringes want to claim.

      The Broadcast industry is regulated in so many ways it’s impossible for them to go too far astray. The Bush administration took particular advantage of that when Janet Jackson showed her boob. CBS was fined millions. That was because the Bush administration wanted to punish them for Dan Rather. Now Dan Rather is in a backwatter cable news network nobody has really heard about. IOW, the took him down.

      There is NO “freedom of the press” for the big guys. That’s whey they’ve given up news and turned it into entertainment.

      Remember, the big networks are big business.

      Rob

      • Marie

        That’s why I’ve stopped watching so-called news.
        There isn’t any.
        Are you aware that of all the TV stations that have gone digital, only NBC has remained analog? Which means if your too poor to buy yourself a digital converter box (although the government did hand out the vouchers to purchase one) you can get one channel, which is NBC. (At least that’s how it is in southern AZ.)

        NBC NEWS?
        HA!
        That’s entertainment tonight my friend.
        But the poor are grateful to have it no less.

        I hate what they’re doing to us.

      • Greg

        Are you suggesting that you’re getting more truth from Olberman than say Beck? You really think CNN is giving you the straight skinny over FOX? My suggestion is to target entities such as the Washington and Huffington Posts, MSNBC, CBS, NBC and CNN, just to name a few. I’m certain that we can quickly add to the lists of “OK to support” and “not OK to support”. Those entities that spin our current adminstrations agenda in a favorable light need to be taken down.

      • DaveH

        Robert,
        Give it up. I watched the MSM for 20 years before FoxNews came along, and they were and are very Liberally biased. Your lunatic label is just a typical weak Liberal attempt to manipulate those who base their thinking on emotion rather than logic. You would be more successful with that debating style on the Liberal sites.

      • Angel Wannabe

        RS__Most of Major networks are run by the Progressives_ ABC, NBC, CBS__and Major Newspapers as well__beginning with Reuters __Conservatives have a few radio stations and Fox News, Levin, Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, Wilkow (Sirius)_and right away the Progressives turn it into a pizzing match!__-If the Progressives think that by regulating the net, is going to change the minds of the people, they got another thing coming!!_They’re lies have already been exposed__we aren’t turning back!

      • JKO

        Sorry to disagree but you are wrong. Back in the day I used to watch Judy Woodruff and a Black man whose name escapes me. I was basically a news junkie and watched them all. Soon I realized that I was getting only one side. About this time FOX showed up and, being the junkie I was, I began to watch them as well. I realized that FOX was giving two sides. So on a show like Hannity and Colmes I could yell at Colmes and hurrah Hannity. The interesting thing was that both were kept on track. Sometimes Hannity was wrong and Colmes called him. I have respect for people of another leaning as long as they are consistent and can back it up. I came to respect Colmes and Juan Williams because of this, though I do not often agree with them. I did not see this on MSNBC or CNN and I quit watching. I also had an experience that I was personally involved with that was mis reported on CNN. So, if you can back up your statement I am happy to read, but please do not spout the party line. Find out for yourself. You might be surprised.

        • Bob Wire

          I want to say, you need to view it “all” or none of it to come away with any balance for the bias is so strong in each.

          Example; Fox covered Edwards wife “passing” ~~ she die in a long bout with cancer. the end.

          MSNBC; You got Ms Edward life, she was a capable attorney, refusing to take Edward name for many years, her achievements and life pursuits, her disappointment, her struggle.

          Fox; Tipper kicks Al out!

          MSNBC; nothing!

          I could go on and on in making my point. but I’ve other things to address.

          Just don’t allow yourself to be so “programed” that you become a “Product” of a hard bias.

        • Angel Wannabe

          JKO(Copy and pasted)__What you want to believe is up to you._”Other outlets allegedly under the control of the CFR include, the National Broadcasting Corporation, Columbia Broadcasting System, Time, Fortune, Look, Newsweek, New York Post, Denver Post, Louisville Courier Journal, Minneapolis Tribune, and the Knight Papers. Publishing houses under CFR control include, McGraw-Hill, Simon & Schuster, Harper Bros., Random House, Little Brown & Co., Macmillan Co., Viking Press, Saturday Review, Business Week, and Book of the Month Club.”

    • JKO

      I’m with you Greg. After Garafalo’s comments about the Tea Party Movement and then NBC had no rebuttal from anyone I quit watching NBC altogether. There were some shows that seemed intriguing but I refuse to watch. Any network – that I know of – that is NBC I WILL NOT watch.

      Also, after watching Beck last week Wikileaks has not actually given us any new information. It was out there already, you just had to look. What is new to me is that Clinton is back to her old tricks. Wasn’t she the one (who had no official role in the govt. at the time) that had 900 FBI files found in her office. Nothing happened to her. Unlike Chuck Coleson who went to jail for 18 months because he saw 1 (ONE) file he should not have. Oh yeah – but we are talking liberal vs. conservatives again aren’t we.

    • Yvonne

      I think much of the country is doing that already, having lost faith in mainstream news at least. So now, what is their answer? Well, get rid of Rush and all those who don’t pass their litmus test. And of course behind all this is the puppet master, billionaire Soros with all his fiends he supports and manipulates directly and indirectly. Only God can help us now.

      • Greg

        Yvonne is partially right. God can and will help us and those who help themselves. If you don’t resist the progressive libs will surely win. JKO is indeed smart to turn a deaf ear to those who would slander our rights. I know it would be difficult. I love my college football and my wife loves her sit-coms, but She and I are both turning off the tube (except for FOX) and picking up books. My greatest desire is to learn how to convey this to the advertisers so that they’ll spend their advertising dollars with the correct media.

        • DaveH

          It is easy these days to Email the advertisers and let them know you will not purchase their products if they are supporting the Liberal media. I Emailed several after the Glenn Beck fiasco where the Color of Change organization influenced them to quit advertising on the Glenn Beck program. One, State Farm, whined like babies when I told them I was through with their company after that. I had been with them for 14 years at the time.

    • LTCMSCUSAR1

      Check out http://www.MRC.org. Media Research Center has been trying to stop the Lame Street “Media” for quite some time now.

    • newspooner

      Buy a magazine subscription to The New American. $39 for one year.

  • CHUCK

    Yes, Assange is the front man. America does not know who did the
    execution. It looks like a chicken game to me with incompetents
    running helter skelter!

  • Loral Orow

    It amazes me how some people choose to blame the messenger when they don’t like the message. I think they should thank the messenger for letting us know what our government is doing in secret.
    We, who are so proud of our country and our ethics are in shame with this administration, and others before this. No wonder America is disliked in spite of the great amount of money we’ve given over the years. Our politicians have turned us into something no better than a third world dictatorship, similar to those we’ve tried to get rid of.

    Don’t blame Assange for revealing the dirty truth. Blame those who made the truth dirty – our leadership.

    • Robert Smith

      Hi Loral,

      You posted: “Blame those who made the truth dirty – our leadership.”

      Absolutely correct. Our intelligence networks can’t be trusted anymore because the Bush administration outed a CIA agent and others were killed because of it.

      Rob

  • Marie

    Provide a list and a means to research who’s behind what and I’ll help you spread the word Greg.

    But the problem I see these days is that very few are willing to commit themselves to the effort. Many don’t even want to hear what’s happening to our rights and freedoms. (at a speed that is disturbing) It’s as if they have the notion that if they plug their ears and squeeze their eyes shut, the “Boogyman” will go away – or not ever appear.

    This is the greatest danger facing America now. We are a trusting people, and this gives the many wolves in sheeps clothing the great advantage of devouring the innocent and unsuspecting among us.

    But of course, you must already know that making a noise about who is doing what to whom, will draw some powerful enemies to glare in your direction. So it certainly isn’t a task to be taken lightly.
    But it is worth the effort as far as I’m concerned.

    • wayne

      Very well said, Marie.

      • Marie

        Thanks Wayne,
        I usually draw comments to let me know how pst I’ve made someone.
        I think it’s nice to let others know I appreciate their encouragement.
        G*d knows we all need some from time to time.

  • Matt V

    maybe assange is dead on and he has exposed a massive global cover up and the people of earth needs to know this before ther wont be anything left a live on earth

    • Marie

      One can hope.

  • Eric Bischoff

    First of all WikiLeaks is a company. Companies don’t go to jail in America even when they commit mass murder.

    Has WikiLeaks been charged with a crime. NO!

    Has Julian Assange been charged with a crime. NO

    The original charge from Sweden of consensual sex with two women who hung out with him days after the sex is about not wearing a condom. The top prosecutor in Sweden threw out the case as ridiculous.

    Isn’t it amazing how a person can….
    - Have an Interpol Red Alert arrest warrant issued even though no formal charges had been filed
    - have his funds in his bank accounts confiscated
    - Have his credit cards closed
    - Be labeled as a terrorist
    - Be publicly targeted for Assassination by Politicians
    - Be publicly targeted for Assassination by Major Mainstream media
    - Be arrested and denied bail

    and basically be considered guilty until proven innocent!
    So much for Due Process!

    Then his company, not yet charged with a crime…..
    - Has its URL Domain names shut off
    - Has it’s server hosting accounts cancelled
    - Has Denial of Service attacks launched against it, probably by the Govt.

    If we stand for this and partake in this crime and fiasco, we are doomed and our 200 year experiment is over and is a major failure.

    Banks, Corporations, Media all working together with Governments in this conspiracy to silence Whistle Blowers Exposing their Criminal Behavior.

    We are now just another Fascist Police State.

    • DaveH

      That couldn’t happen, Eric, were it not for the Leviathan Government that you support in most of your comments.
      The only way to achieve what you seem to want in your comment is to get us back to the Freedom and Limited Government that our Founders advocated. The Crony Capitalists only have power when Big Government serves as their bully boys.
      Vote Libertarian. Get us back to Individual Freedom, Personal Responsibility, Limited Government, and Free Markets. Give the reins back to the consumers. Take them out of the hands of bought-and-paid-for politicians.
      http://www.lp.org/platform

      • Eric Bischoff

        Dave and Angel again we have a lot more in common than you are willing to admit.

        By continuing to assume that I am pro big govt. and by continuously calling me a commie you try to shut down the conversation. You only think you know who I am.

        Govt is out of control. Where we differ is in the solution.

        Unlike you, I am not for shutting down govt, I am for changing govt.

        I believe we need an EPA but I don’t want the people in charge of the EPA to have previously worked for the polluters and after they do their bidding will most likely go back to work for the polluters.

        The same goes for the FDA. There’s a revolving door between the drug companies and the multi billion dollar cancer industry.

        These agencies are supposed to protect us but instead they only protect share holde profits

        The Supreme court by voting that corporations are people have declared war on democracy.

        When you say we need to take back America, you are limiting your actions to taking it back from one party or another. I say we need to take back America from corrupt corporations.

        It’s we the people!

        Corporations are not people and will never be unless they are willing to go to jail for their crimes like the rest of us or even face the death penalty when they kill many people.

        • Angel Wannabe

          Eric, I’m not sure why ya brought me into this equation, I don’t I ever said to shut down Goverment___i said we can’t trust a damn thing they say!__we’re left to find our own truths___and thats threatened with FCC!___but in order to clean out Government, most all of Washington “will” have to be pratically shut down, and that includes prying the major players out of Governments azz as well, such as GE, Monsanto, BP, Exxon, Shell oil, Lockheed Martin__the list is endless__They’re all intertwined and embedded so deep, there isn’t a Honey Dipper ANYWHERE thats big enough to clean out all the crap and I’m being nice!__Since we can’t trust man to do the honest thing, then Gods gonna have to take over and we’re going to have to wait on his time.

        • DaveH

          Eric,
          I have never called you a commie, but you certainly aren’t pro-Freedom. You want to change Government? That isn’t going to happen. As Government Grows, Corruption Flows. That is just a natural fact of life. If you give a group of people the power to control your life, they will misuse that power.
          You claim to enjoy reading books. Read this one:
          http://mises.org/books/newliberty.pdf

    • Angel Wannabe

      EB, yes there was apparently criminal intent, Assange was arrested because the Condom broke”_-Then theres a charge of rape, and the victim then apparently threw her attacker a party, the next night??!__
      WTF!!!!

  • Teresa

    I have one question, If Assange is so wonderful for spreading the Truth…why did he not get intel from other countries???? Why did he get documents that will hurt the United States??? I mean I am sure Iran leaked info would have been just as bad, or Russia, or China…..no, you see this was a well planned out leak and Assange is just a front man and lots of people are praising him to be a hero. Yet, Holder waits a year to say….We are working on a stragedy to go after him…REALLY…OK, lets see…we KNOW there had to be someone else involved beside the young man sitting in jail! So, the question is WHY is Assange wanting Obama to resign NOW….hmmmm…..who do they have in store for us next?????? Or better yet…..you should have been listening to me earlier, watch the judicial system, and watch Holder closely!

    • wayne

      I wouldn’t trust Eric Holder any further than I wold try to throw a full grown horse by the tail. Remember what he said about those two, or three African Americans that was carying billy clubs at the voting place in Philadelphia, Pa. and didrupting a voting place. He would not charge black folks for this, but he would charge white folks for doing the very same thing. And here I thought we we looking to get beyond segregation. I lost all respect for Holder after that. I place the blame squarely on NObama’s shoulders as he hired this type of indiviual and could fire him at will if he so desired.

    • DaveH

      Wikileaks has targeted many countries besides the United States, Teresa. It isn’t just the US that is trying to shut them down:
      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11928899?cid=dlvr.it

      Whatever happened to Freedom of the Press? Is that just a phrase applied to those News services that please the Government Leaders? Whether Wikileaks is a Liberal organization or Conservative, the Alarm Bells should be ringing loudly in our ears when we see such underhanded attempts by Government to shut down a news source.

      • DaveH
      • DaveH

        This is interesting. I tried to open Wikileaks.org and it couldn’t be found. So I did a search on Wikileaks and got a hit on wikileaks.org which I could opened with the cached link:
        http://74.6.117.48/search/srpcache?ei=UTF-8&p=wikileaks.org&fr=hp-pvnb&u=http://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=wikileaks.org&d=4758076588688032&mkt=en-US&setlang=en-US&w=4bb0c34c,1d40c77c&icp=1&amp;.intl=us&sig=8xpbDT1qivfKOlt29TZ93w–

        There’s no telling how long this will remain available.

        • DaveH

          I tried the first link provided and it failed. I skipped the next two related to war logs, but I did open this link:
          http://www.collateralmurder.com/

          Aren’t we over there to save lives? Yeah, sure. Shouldn’t the American citizens be aware of what the Military State is doing in our name?
          How long before they start dishing out that kind of justice in our own country?

      • Teresa

        DaveH…there is a difference between freedom of the press and treason, I thought you would know the difference. If someone broke into your mail would you consider it legal? Do I think what the government did was wrong…Yes, but what Assange did was illegal as well and he should be held accountable. That was not freedom of press when you knowingly take stolen government documents and post them on the internet…sorry if I do not agree. And you are wrong again, it was intentionally set to damage American foreign relations and policys at a global effect. You realize we have men fighting w/their lives for YOU and me right now….and this man and our own Holder is allowing More documents to be sitting to be published….have you ever stopped to think about that, about their lives? Do you EVER stop to think WHO is going to be paying for all this….NOT all the congress that you keep talking about, they have their backers, it’s US….why cant you see that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        • DaveH

          You’re going off the deep end, Teresa. Of course I like my privacy, but guess what? The Government doesn’t care about my privacy. They do as they damn well please.
          Government doesn’t deserve privacy. They work for us, get it? Would you hire somebody who didn’t tell you what they were doing in your name? I hope not.
          And please don’t give me that crap that they are fighting for my Freedom. I did not ask for that, and they aren’t providing it anyway. If anything, by pissing off people around the world with their meddling, they are endangering my life and my Freedom.
          I think about my own life, just as you think about your own life, Teresa. I do not wish our soldiers ill, but they are definitely not risking their lives for me. They are risking their lives to please the power-tripping Politicians and their Crony-Capitalists. They probably aren’t even aware of that fact, having been propagandized, as you have, that they are fighting for our Freedom.

          • Teresa

            You still don’t get it do you….Assange was just a tool, so was the man sitting in jail right now….do you REALLY think these men are the only ones involved??? Who benefits from ALL this, who suffers??? The government that You and others seem to think will suffer are the very ones that will benefit! WE and the soldiers are the ones who will suffer, END OF STORY! The government will get what they wanted all along, more control, pushing towards that One Order while WE THE PEOPLE are loosing more regardless of what we have learned and it’s basically things we already knew, yet many lives are at stake now!

          • CJM

            Okay, DaveH, you don’t believe the troops are risking their lives for your freedoms. Well, if Obama has his way, you won’t have that to worry about either because you will be totally stripped of any freedom you ever thought about. Your statements about the government will either have you before the firing squad of the new united states of communist america or hung or slapped into a prison for making unauthorized speeches. If the new america adopts the shar’ia as its new codified laws (all of our old laws will be burned, banned, or otherwise tossed to history), the government may have your tongue permanently removed–after all, mustn’t make naughty remarks about the new communist regime. As for voting–what a laugh that will be because only one name “Obama” will be on the list…so much for elections. The millions spent for the campaign will now be used for the extravagant inaugeration party he will give while the masses starve in the streets. His charismatic speech upon his ‘election’ will serve as a reminder that only the government has any rights; anyone who thinks otherwise will be damned and severely punished for those thoughts. Your children will be used and abused and you can say nothing about it. Your wife and daughters will wear burkkahs, be beaten by your neighbor because HE thought one of them was ogling his son; and your sons will be forced to perform shoddy strip teases in the all male cafe that promotes sodomy. Welcome to the new america, DaveH…if this is what you really want, then move to the middle east where all this is happening now. In the United States of America, we want to remain free without threats and humiliation for stating what we believe in. Furthermore, we want the freedom to chose who will hold office and punish those who dare sully it.

          • DaveH

            CJM,
            Your comment is ludicrous. Our Government can’t even protect our good soldiers at Fort Hood from a lone terrorist, and you are so naive as to think their presence overseas is somehow protecting you and me from attack?
            Get real.

          • DaveH

            And, by the way, CJM, it is you and your kind helping to build the Big Government framework for suppression that is the real threat to our Freedom. If not for people like you and your antagonists on the left, we wouldn’t have the Big Government framework in place that has allowed people like Obama, Reid, and Pelosi to threaten what little Freedom with have left with total annihilation.

          • eddie47d

            I agree with your comments at 1:20 Dave H. I don’t look at Assange as a hero or a villain,only a maverick who likes to expose the inter- workings of government. If you think government should be private and locked up then Assange will be an absolute villain. If you want government to be totally transparent then Assange is your guy. Maybe a middle ground would be better but I will lean towards openness

          • Al Sieber

            CJM, our Govt. can’t even protect our borders.

  • Charles 2439

    Since Obama took office, we’ve seen more Chicago style gangster politics than any administration since Clintons. The best way to deal with this situation is to stop the flow of information.
    However, I agree with JMR, Obama is not a natural born citizen because his father was not an American citizen. Also, Obama was adopted by his step father Lolo Soetoro, and he changed Obama’s name to Barry Soetoro and that gave Obama Indonesian citizenship. During that time, Indonesia did not allow dual American citizenship.
    See this petition: http://www.petition2congress.com/2349/petition-to-remove-barack-obama-as-president-united-states-americ/

    Either way you slice it, America has been mislead by the politicians and the mainstream media, and they are still covering up for Obama.

    • Marie

      As well as one another.
      Fight one butterbean – fight the whole bowl Charles.

    • Marie

      P.S.
      Thanks for the website.

      You have no idea how long I have waited for a petion like this one!

      Bless you man,
      Bless you!!!

    • wayne

      We can put this blame squarely on the shoulders of the Democratic party for not properly vetting NObama. Had they done their job, NObama would not be the sitting president. I am not a McCain man either, but I would trust McCain further than NObama. Both parties need to completely vet their candidates before putting their name on the ballot and deceiving the voting public. I think the public should know all about their candidates before voting for anyone. Anyone that has ever been in the military, or has been employed, know that you give all the basic information,such as; name, dob, birth certificate, your religion and etc. At least this is the way it used to be unless it has changed over the years.

      • Warrior

        Call them by their real name – The Peoples Democratic Socialists Party.

        They are America’s Communist Party. Make NO mistake.

        • Angel Wannabe

          warrior_-and the list is endless in Washington!

        • eddie47d

          More gutter talk from the extreme right.

    • Yvonne

      Great link. This should go viral.

  • http://burgerd@kearney.k12.mo.us Dwayne B says

    We need to keep our government secrets where Obama keeps his birth certificate, they will never find them.

    • Marie

      lol.

    • DaveH

      The Government uses the phrase “National Security” to keep all kinds of information from the citizens. How else can they keep their personally embarrassing secrets and wastefully spend so much of our tax money?

    • Angel Wannabe

      Dwayne B, boy you hit the nail on the head with that one! :)

  • Marie

    Good questions Teresa.
    It may be that some one is trying to stop the set-up. And if they are, I pray they are successful.

    You’re right about the judicial system.
    That is something that each of us should be very concerned with. We spend a lot of time researching other elected officials and give judges a free pass. We have no idea of who is sitting in the high-seat of our courts, at least not until the will of the people is overturned by a single judge.

    Dangerous times.
    But hope is not lost, if we remain watchful and vigilant.
    Above all prayerful.

    • Yvonne

      Amen, Marie. I appreciate your wise comments and your sweet spirit. God bless you.

      • Marie

        Bless you too my friend.

    • Teresa

      Seek the truth….who is after the control of the States the MOST….who wants to push our Constitution out the MOST….who is envious of our nation the MOST….who has the most to gain by our destruction and downfall….and follow Obama and his links….(a lot of them are to the Muslims, Saudi, and Soros, and the Banks….connect the dots!
      They HAVE to destroy our Constitution, they HAVE to disarm us, they HAVE to silence and confuse us…..connect the dots!

      • Marie

        Charles posted a website calling for Congress to Impeach Obama… if anyone is interested in signing the petition.

        I tried to sign it but kept getting a message that my email address is invalid.

        Anyone else having that same problem?

        • Teresa

          hmm for some reason, not letting me post the website…this is all one word….
          impeach obama campaign
          go to the website

  • Charles 2439

    The ongoing outrage over the WikiLeaks document release is surprising. WikiLeaks has been releasing confidential documents for months, and the Obama administration did absolutely nothing about it. You didn’t hear Hillary or Obama saying anything when the leaks harmed our military and made the Bush administration look bad!
    No, the Whitehouse played dumb about the leaks – never acknowledging the fact that no one person has access to all the information released so far.

    Moreover, it had to require a team effort unless special access was given to someone specifically for the purpose of leaking the documents. The reason I say this is because I had a top secret clearance when I was in the Army. That clearance did not allow me to access any files outside of my assigned area. For instance, I had a magnetic ID card that I had to wear on my person that identified me, my clearance, and my work area. It also opened doors with the magnetic strip, but it only opened doors that I had access to.

    Someone in the Whitehouse or State Department would have had to approve access to those files, and someone in the military would have had to grant access to the military files as well. For instance, to get access to the EPAs files, you would have to know someone high up the food chain in the EPA to grant you access. Nobody in the military could grant you access to EPAs files or State Department files.

    You would have to know someone high on the food chain in the Whitehouse or State Department to grant you access State Department documents. And, you would have to know someone high on the food chain in the Whitehouse to have access to all those documents, databases, and protocols. Why kill the messenger?

    To be blunt, find out who granted access to all the files, and you will find the culprits responsible for the leaks….

  • Devasahayam

    0bama, who has never proven Constitutional eligibility (in fact, his own State Dept. has proven his INeligibilty, unrenounced dual-citizenship (1),(2)) will not resign since he has about as much loyalty to the US as Vidkun Quisling did to Norway!

    (1) this info was released Oct 2010, and published in WND
    (2) I found out the HARD way in Dec 2007 that unrenounced dual-citizenship (I had been naturalised to US in April 2005, and had not renounced existing Canadian citizenship) was enough to be denied even Secret clearance–let alone the Ultimate-level clearance needed by POTUS

  • http://mootsagootsa.com mootsa gootsa

    If wikileaks is guilty then so is the media that reports the same top secret material.

    • DaveH

      Good Point, Mootsa.

  • sheshocks

    This whole administration is a sham.. The so called president didn’t qualify in the first place, not only because of his inexperience, but because of his un-American roots, inability to answer pertinent questions, or even show valid documents.. He lied his way in, and denied any muslim ties during the entire campaign.. It creeped me out when he wouldn’t wear the flag on his lapel~~~ LAME AND ANTI-AMERICAN.. His words were eloquent and charismatic, but hollow, empty, and had not solid substance behind the proposed dreamy savior elitist wanna be celebrity.
    His whole agenda is to turn us into an Islamic country, all the other crap is smoke and mirrors, distractions, more deception, flip flops, incompetence, and ego deflation, which is making him hate us and our country even more.
    We have a phony in the White House. He is THE ENEMY WITHIN.. Good for Wikileaks.. No laws broken, yet still a staged distraction.. Obama hasn’t flinched or even officially referred to the impact of these leaked cables. He just urged students to reconsider posting links on Facebook and Twitter.. Oh no, not that!! What a phony piece of shit that pinhead is. He should be OUT, not even a whole term “president”.. He couldn’t suck it harder, the Rag Head needs to be exported to his homeland, where Islam and Sharia law rule..

    • Fl Scott

      The criminal Union is who pushed odumba into office. They spent more than anyone else to get that brainless puppet into office. He is now paying them back by writing new bills to force every policeman fireman and EMT into the union without a choice.

      • eddie47d

        Are you still playing that old song and dance?

  • http://google.com Allan M Parker

    Is their such a thing called Legal Spying ??

  • BrotherPatriot

    A very famous and spot on speech…

    “The very word secrecy is repugnant, in a free & open society…and we are as a people, inherrantly & historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinant facts far out weigh the dangers which are sited to justify it…”

    The man who gave this speech gave his life for us. For the WE the People…for you…and for me. What we have in our country, in our lives is a direct result of the secrecy that has been allowed to go on for far to long. It needs to be recognised, revealed and addressed. If it is not…if we continue to allow them to operate…nothing will change other than our continued loss of our inalienable rights given to us by our Creator. Hollywood is saturated by the people who follow this Agenda. Our news media is OWNED by these people who follow this Agenda. Our government is infected and ran by these people who follow this Agenda. These are ROOT level truths.

    I’m a firm believer in ROOT level thinking. So here is what I have come to believe and understand. Our world is the way it is because it is being engineered to be that way…in order to help these people achieve the Agenda that they are pushing for. To destroy the sovereinity of not just America but all nations…to bring humanity under control of these social degenerates who wish to control the masses and who follow the light bringer. Light bringer is another name given to Lucifer. These “elites” follow that dark force.

    I was flipping through the channels and caught adult swim this morning. As they were moving towards commercial there was a cartoon like picture of Santa and it said, “He watches when you are sleeping…” all writtin in gory blood letters. The image of Santa had red licorice twists shoved into his bloody eye sockets. On the bottom right corner of this still image was alittle emblem of the Bohemian Grove Owl.

    I hope this shocks and discusts you as much as it should. It will if you still believe in our lord God. It’s a fine example of the control I spoke of about Hollywood and the fact that they are secretly programming (numbing) the masses into following the “elites” wish to morally destroy and corrupt our young towards a belief that evil is actually good. (Yes, I’m speaking about how they are trying to portray Vampires and Werewolves as anything other than the Evil that they actually represent.)

    Don’t fall for it. Become educated to the truth. Only a firm belief in God and moral correctness will ensure a future for ourselves and our children.

    This is my belief. The world is the way it is because of the people that we have elected and now are running it. Fire them all. Everyone one of them and elect only proven defenders of our Constitution and believers in God. It’s the only way to immediatly stop them in their tracks. I bet that newly elected Congress and President would make the changes immediately to bring America back under the light of God and give us some sense of decentcy back into our lives. Stop buying into their lies…

    God Bless & good morning.

    • Marie

      If there is one thing to console yourself with today, BrotherPatriot, maybe it is this – that Santa isn’t watching and never has been. The whole concept of Ssanta Clause has stolen the truth of the Savior’s birth from many.

      It is the LORD who sees all things and knows who’s been bad or good.
      While I understand your point, and wonder what the images do to the minds of small children, I find myself hoping that parents will make a greater effort to teach their children the truth that extinguishes all lies

      • Fl Scott

        Oh Marie, You are such a typical Lemming. Santa is just as real as God and Jesus. They are all just Fairy tales. Grow up and follow only yourself if you can. No person can ever be successful if they are a follower.

        • Marie

          Forgive me for being careless with my comments FI Scott.

          I am a grown up honey, and I think it’s best to leave it to your Mama to explain to you about Santa Clause.

      • BrotherPatriot

        I’m sorry for the both of you. That path you have chosen is empty & lonely.

        The idea of anyone who wants to hurt Santa is disturbing to me. Of course he isn’t real in the sense we trick our children into believing while they are young. But the Idea of Santa IS real and quite honestly a beautiful thing. So the idea of Santa deserves the respect from all honest & God loving children on this earth…and yes, adults are the children of God as well.

        I find it interesting that eventually we have to reveal the truth to our children that Santa isn’t actually real. I’m sure that moment of realization is a truely sad one for them. But they come to accept and move on…to deal with it. It’s interesting to know this breaking of the childhood myth is mirrored by the adults version. Where eventually we come to learn that there is a force that is just under the surface of society yet right out in plain site. Rubbing shoulders with us in the super markets and public events at times. A society within the society…and they exist in multiple nations. Very much into symbology…and very much in control due to the illegal Federal Reserve that gives us empty dollars. They create it right out of thin air & then charge us interest on it. All the while we the people could have our Government coin our own money with no interest…or inflation!

        Wake up my brothers & sisters…the truth is right in front of you and adds up like a math equation. Just follow History & the money trail.

        God Bless…

        • libertytrain

          Very nice post – thanks.

          • BrotherPatriot

            *nods*

  • Eric Bischoff

    Here you go again getting side tracked.

    Do you really think it would make any difference who is president or what party is currently in control!

    The real problem here is the corrupt police states that work for the wealthy ruling class.

    WikiLeaks is merely a vehicle for gutsy whistleblowers to expose corruption and malfeasance. It is our last line of defense. We should support them wholeheartedly.

    We are about to lose net neutrality and major corporations who are in bed with big govt will now be able to have even more control over which news you get to hear and which content you are allowed to see and at which speed.

    The Comcast, Verizons and ATT who willingly gave open wire taps to their Internet switches to the govt are about to win this argument. This is their payoff.

    The Internet is the last bastion of a free press and free speech and we cannot afford to lose this battle.

    Net Neutrality and WikiLeaks is a war we cannot afford to lose.

    The real battle is between the haves and the have not and the Internet and the free flow of information too easily exposes this corruption. They will try and shut it down and control it.

    • Bruce D.

      The have nots need a better education, hard work, and learn how to compete and make a good product. Many are disingenuous about all three. The left should hire the have nots and train them as the left has used the public school system as a form of propaganda and disinformation. No one is stopping them from starting their own business. Others who have lost high paying jobs are doing it. We need to expect performance from the have nots and stop making excuses for them. Some are two and three generation welfare even though much of the last 50 years we had good economic times. Feeling sorry for people or pretending that much of it is not their own fault only degrades them more. Encourage them to learn more and try harder if helping is what you really want to do. Most people we consider poor have a car, color TV, and air conditioning.

      • Bruce D.

        The left is already hard at work teaching the illegals that they deserve something that they really do not.

    • DaveH

      What does Net Neutrality, and Wikileaks have in common? Wikileaks is practicing Freedom of Speech. Net Neutrality would do just the opposite – stifle Freedom of Speech. If we allow the Government to control the venues of Free Speech, then we can kiss our Free Speech goodbye.

    • Marie

      Sorry Eric,
      I couldn’t resist.

  • marvin

    now that is like the pot calling the kittle black,one none citizen assange and one citizen of the world obama,one giving out stolen materal,and the other obama ,just blame bush,for all his miss steps,you can not fix stuped just replace it with some good old constitutional goverment that don,t want to run your live from DC vote in 2012

  • http://outlookexpress Edwin

    The only blame can be dropped at the feet of the American public. We have become a country more content on sports than education and rank far below other countries in educating our children. But; we have the greatest sports training system in the world and it’s called schools and colleges or the department of education.
    Want to solve the problem? Demand that our government abolish the department of education, agriculture and energy and any other that government uses only as a bureauracy to give their cronies and family jobs off the backs of working families. This would save roughly five hundred billion per year or maybe much more.
    Force the federal government to do the one job for which they are responsible and that is the security of the country. If professional politicians are going to refuse to close our borders and remove those criminals which are here illegally the public has the same right to not pay the taxes which enable them to do this job. By all accounts doing this would save our country another three hundred to four hundred billion per year.
    We have nothing less than organized crime running this country and if the public doesn’t take a stand nothing is going to change.

  • Violet

    Re: Julian Assange and wikileaks

    We are fortunate that someone like Assange is taking the heat. Many of us have known about these things for a long time now after being alive on the planet longer than most of you. We may not have had the details as readily available but we knew they were liars and thieves. No politician leaves office poorer than when he entered. Money talks!

    I applaud Julian Assange for stepping up to the plate and informing us loudly and clearly. There is an old saying in show biz at William Morris Agency that says on all letterhead and memos “Put it in writing.”

    • CJM

      I’ve been around the block more than once and Assange is NO hero, believe me. When this idiotic zealot releases information that is detrimental to our troops, it smacks of espionage on Assange’s part. Give him the firing squad and no eulogies necessary. Of course our government is imperfect–show me one that is perfect and I’ll sell you the Erie Canal with the Brooklyn Bridge thrown in for a treat. Other countries have the same type of memos, cables, letters, notes, diaries, journals, etc–but Assange chose to humiliate the US rather than his own country of Austrailia. Did you even wonder why Sweden refused to grant Assange asylum? Because they know he will do to them exactly what he did to the US–and ditto for the other countries who want nothing to do with this idiot. A hero? Please! A crown of poison ivy for this inhumane fool.

      • Claire

        CJM–I agree with your words.

  • traderphil

    Come on folks! This ability to communicate globally is VERY SCARY to real rulers of the “Puppet” heads of Govt’s!! It is MANDATORY for the Ruling Elite( Big Banks) to get control of the internet and FREE SPEACH!!! The mere thought of the masses knowing the TRUTH scares them deeply! Rightfully so !!! What we need is a complete and open look at the real rulers, the BANKING CABAL! They control WITH FEAR!!! They need to be eliminated and replaced by SMALLER local banking systems that will never be big enough to do what the Rothchilds and associates have been doing for centuries now, ruling the world by manipulation and , in my opinion, criminal activities. They set up this whole financial crisis by the creation of DERIVATIVES, especially INTEREST RATE SWAPS and CREDIT DEFAULT SWAPS, THE real REASONS THE FINANCIAL SYSTEM IS IN THIS SITUATION!!! you sell houses to folks with no income IF YOU have Credit Default Swaps on the properties(Insurance from AIG primarily) then POP the Housing bubble, collect your “Insurance” and then take the short side of the market to the bottom (record profits ). Interest Rate Swaps are the REAL REASON counties, states, countries, etc are in troulbe! THE SAME FOLKS WHO CREATED INTEREST RATE SWAPS, sold them to the world by telling them “Look at interest rates now! Historic lows! What are the chances of interest rates dropping any more? Buy these “Instruments of Mass Destruction” and save 44 MILLIONS , the sales folks for the banks told them . They forgot to tell them the THEY ARE THE PEOPLE WHO SET INTEREST RATES !! They KNEW RATES WERE GOING TO RISE BECAUSE THEY SET THEM!!! They should be charged and prosecuted for the biggest theft in the history of the world. Anyone who wants to discuss this had better have done some serious DUE DILIGENCE so you actually KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT! Otherwise i have no desire to discuss truths with those who don’t know it yet, ok! It is RIGHT THERE for anyone to find !!!! It doesn’t take a rocker scientist, just someone with a real desire to learn the truth for themselves. Like it is said “The TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE!!” We don’t get anything near that from Mainstreet MEDIA anymore, unfortunately! Mr. Assange seems to be guilty of allowing the truth to be seen by the masses and it sure scared the ruling elite, hasn’t it! What he did will be vilified by the Press and Big Media, using their MAIN TOOL, FEAR, as they always do!!!!! They are doing it as i type, aren’t they!!!!! So much for the once great USA!!! The “once upon a time” really used to be the LAND OF THE FREE! !!!! No MORE!! How very sad indeed!!!!

  • traderphil

    PS . The ONLY REASON Obama hasn’t been able to produce his REAL long form, BIRTH CERTIFICATE is because HE DOESN”T HAVE ONE!!!! Folks are so easily led , that is why they are termed “sheeple” , isn’t it!!! Obama is a PROTOGE of HENRY (the war monger) KISSINGER!!!!! TRUTH!!! They will keep him in power till he is of no service to them anymore, in my humble opinion that is. Anticipate more wars! That is how they keep us in fear and expand their power and control. ! They(WARS) are real $$$$$$ money-makers for the BIG BANKS WHO ALWAYS FINANCE THEM!!!! And people focus on someone leaking REAL TRUE DOCUMENTATION PROVING Govt’s are manipulative and corrupt! HAHAHHAHHAHHA Just like real SHEEPLE are expected to do! How dare he tell the truth!!!! Throw that man in jail!!!! We sure don’t need any of that going around. Folks might see what THEY are really doing!

    • CJM

      So, traderphil, you appear to want to trade one imposter of a citizen as President of the US for another citizen from yet another country. What’s with you anyway–the Presidency is an office for bonafide US CITIZENS to hold, not some nut jub from Austrailia or Kenya. We knew that there is corruption in our government, but to have an idiot like Assange air the dirty laundry to a global public is obscene and you know it. Talk about sheeple, you seem to be the avant-garde of the leftist in the US.

  • http://gunner689 gunner689

    From what I’m hearing concerning Wikileaks is that what they are disclosing as facts are what I’ve long suspected to be true. Any release that puts our troops in jeapordy should be stifiled but as to the rest let the chips fall where they may.

  • CJM

    Not only does this jerk Assange create grave endangerment to the US and other Nations, but now he has the unmitigated gaul to demand the resignation of Obama “if he knew and approved” the “spy techniques.” Just who does he think he is anyway? Is he about to tell his own government how to run their affairs by virtue of his blackmailing that if he doesn’t have his way, he will expose even more? While I am not a proponent of Obama’s and certainly would like him out of office either through resignation, impeachment, or voter defeat, it is not because of the likes of Assange’s dictates or any other country’s reasoning. Obama has caused the US turmoil ever since he took office and continues to do so, even in the face of Assange’s traitorous acts. First of all, Obama, in my opinion, is NOT a US citizen and his cover-up is carried on by the leftists (communists) in congress and the likes of Pelosi and Reid. In the second place, Obama lacks the ability to lead a country and is sorely lacking in credibility. As for Assange, my message to you is be glad I wouldn’t be on a jury at your trial–for the sentencing phase, I would advocate facing a firing squad within 24 hours of your conviction.

    • Teresa

      Agree 100%

  • http://gunner689 gunner689

    Unfortunately, Treason has become antiquanted since the time of Jane Fonda. If not the staff at the New York Times would be hanging from a tree in Central Park. That little queer Army Pvt. who sent this info. to Wikilinks should be spending the rest of his life busting rocks at Levenworth.

  • Alaskasense

    Finally, someone who thinks Assange has incredible gaul to demand the resignation of the President of the US! How dare he? I personally can’t stand Obama, and question many aspects of his eligibility and behavior, but I get to, I am a US citizen. However, if we really want to protect US secrets, maybe we should find out how the President is protecting all that information about his past–notice that hasn’t shown up on Wikileaks!

    • eddie47d

      We asked for the head of Saddam and took it. We over threw the government of Iran in the early 50′s. We assasinated the President of Vietnam in ’63 and in Chile in the 80′s. You get upset when a person from another country speaks out against one of our leaders. Hmmmm!

  • Fl Scott

    I am glad that Wiki Leaks is opening and sharing the secrets of the criminal “government”. Odumba should not only resign, but should be also charged with being an American Traitor! He keeps doing anti-constitutional “Bills”. Anyone else would be in Federal Prison if they did what he keeps doing. This country is going down. Lets get these lying thieves out of office.

  • wayne

    Aix Sponsa, after I reread that column again I realized it was a satire column written by Andy Borowitz on page 11a in the opinion section of the St Petersburg Times. I have personally heard Obama say twice that he was a Muslim while being interviewed by George Stephanopoulous. Each time of course it was a slip of the tongue. The last time he made this statement he said, quote, even though I am a Muslim, George stopped him and said you mean Christian, Obama then said yes, I meant Christian. I don’t believe anyone could ever make a mistake like that. Who did Obama have at the White House celebating Ramadam? It was the Muslim. Have he ever had the Christians there to celebrate? Why did Obama stop the fly over of God & Country for our service men and women when this has been occurring over 40 some years. It was Obama. Notice how Obama favors the Muslim Faith over the Christian Faith. A person would have to be a fool not to believe that he is a Muslim. Since I have heard him say he was a Muslim I know it for a fact. If others do not believe it, it is most likely they don’t want to believe it, and never will accept it.

  • Carlucci

    Several news sites I’ve seen online lately say he (Assange) is a CIA operative. And those rape charges against him are false. I think I read this on the Lew Rockwell report http://www.lewrockwell.com

  • Bluejacket

    I am begining to realize that there would be an uproar about this information leak only if Bush was president. Getting their entitlements, benefits, welfare checks, and food stamps keeps people calm.

  • spatialist

    Hello to all…

    I read “Times” post at the top of the page, as well as other peoples posts. My conclusion is all the things that happen, everywhere, in the world are distractions(manmade events,and some natural ones…H.A.A.R.P.)! The purpose of a distraction is to undermine focus. What are we not suppose to focus upon? What is the truth, that they do not want us to know, and live by? Will it render them powerless!!!

    What I would like to say to all is, if your confused….they got you!, if you think you know…they got ya as well!(Oh, They…is one!)
    They are the architects of mansions with many windows,doors,mirrors,and stairwells. That give the perciever/believer,the perception, he needs to be misled, by his own volition, taking him further from the truth. It is the intent of deception, to blind the the flock/masses. This breeds division, and from division….all is born.

    Time….your on the money! I had replied/posted to the Charlie Sheen 911 story on AOL,about 8 to 12 months ago. The whole Charlie Sheen AOL story was removed from sight, it was buried far away from the AOL opening front page within no time. As you all know, web stories on AOL, YAHOO, etc linger days, if not weeks. But this topic, and a known actor with my post rattled them(my post was flagged). I am convinced they checked me out.
    I mention this because, it is every little action, that brings to light, things that rob the world of right,free living…that affects they’re plan. We must all tell two friends,that tell two friends,and so on,and so on…
    We will all have to renounce all and every form of corruption,greed,avarice,jealosy,hate,anger within oursevles, and this globally…individually,and as a whole.
    It sounds sorta like living the Christian Godly way doesn’t it?
    Is that what they are hiding???
    Remember,all that is not a rock,river,tree(natural state)is materialism….thought up by man. Do you see how we can play all kinds of game because of materialism( I am not saying material things are bad)
    Now,that would mean,that we would be faced with a dilema…our own belief system has been corrupted(it has been a designed outcome).
    Nonetheless,whether they attain they,re goals of human decemination on all levels social,mental,spiritual it will all lead us back home. It may take some people a bus, taxi, and a walk. While others will be on a shuttle to reach destination(metaphorically speaking). It will bring us to right living…PERIOD!!!!!

    These are my views…no offense to any person. Also, I would need lots more space to clarify myself. But, from your posts. I know that we all know,feel,and do not accept these wrongs, imposed deception,and that a change is in the air.
    But, we must at a personal level purify ourselves, and live right towards others no matter our differences….this is the ONLY WAY!
    Everything else is dillusion, as is this created reality a dillusion.

    The art of decepetion is through perception. I wrote that aphorism some twenty plus years ago…quite timeless.

    See ya all….MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL,if I’ve offended any one sorry…I believe in Santa Clause

    Spatialist

    • BrotherPatriot

      We echo one another in understanding…

      God Bless.

  • DaveH
  • DaveH

    Thinking people might want to read this article:
    http://www.cato.org/pubs/handbook/hb108/hb108-11.pdf

  • http://espionageaction-actionadventure.blogspot.com stephen russell

    Better have more stuff on Obama than GW Bush alone.

  • ricky

    sounds like A OBUMA GATE TRILE ..

  • Jay

    Dave and Bruce, you both sound like ranting little girls riding the cotton pony.

    The major point is information was leaked not how it got to the news media. For all I know the information was leaked on purpose. Why don’t one of you go write the RAND CORP, I am sure they would know.

    Do you really think one little PFC could go and get all 250,000 documents with out raising a red flag.

    It is time to move out of America folks. Steven King got it partially right in his book The Stand. Only problem is nowhere to go. Hugo Chavez is not complaining anymore at all because America is well on it own way to being a full communistic state.

  • gaetano

    I have been sitting here for two hours reading all these posts.Although they are all interesting, I find one thing not mentioned. MONEY, MONEY,MONEY.You could talk for a year and not bring the pimple to a head.There is no other answer to every ones doubt about the government,or the people,or whatever it is that you are concerned about, Then MONEY. This world has been revolving around MONEY since the beginning of time.Even when there was no such thing as MONEY.Something the other person has that you want.The answer to the worlds problems is to get rid of MONEY.NO MONEY,NO PROBLEMS.become self sufficient on Gods green earth. Can it be done? NO,NO,NO,NO,NO. Remember always that you were put on this earth by GOD, and you will be taking off this earth by GOD. I am not a religious freak, by any means, but I do know that GOD will win.SO, just sit back,relax, enjoy the game of life,and wait for your exit. After all, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER CHOICE BUT GOD?

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