As Expected, Obama Has It All Wrong

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Barack Obama, the undocumented usurper currently defiling the people’s House, spoke for 67 minutes last Wednesday outlining his latest pivot — the 19th by some counts — to jobs and the economy. He indicated with his policy pronouncements that he intends to perpetuate the current misery through the end of his term, and further destroy the middle class.

Since February 2009, 9.5 million people have dropped out of the workforce. As CNSNews.com reports, that means that 1.3 Americans have dropped out of the workforce for every job the regime claims it has created.

“We’ve created over 7.2 million private sector jobs,” Presidential spokespuppet Jay Carney claimed at a recent press briefing. The regime’s propagandists in the mainstream media didn’t correct Carney on one important point. Government does not create jobs without killing a job or jobs somewhere else.

Government creates nothing but misery and heartache. For to “create” a job, government has to steal money from someone in the private sector — either through inflation (money printing) or taxation — and give it to someone else.

Irrationally exuberant government “stimulus” spending began under George W. Bush’s regime as he sought to “save the free market system” by “abandon[ing] free market principles.” But almost five years and trillions of dollars later, here’s what we have:

  • Almost 90 million Americans not working.
  • 15 million more Americans on food stamps today than in January 2009. That’s two Americans on food stamps for every job “created” by the regime.
  • Almost 11 million Americans receiving disability payments — 1.6 million more than in February 2009.
    American has fallen to No. 27 in middle-class wealth.
  • Real occupational wages are down almost 3 percent.
  • Thanks to the threat of Obamacare, most new jobs being “created” are part-time jobs. American is becoming a part-time society.

In his speech, Obama decried the growing inequality between the haves and have-nots.

“This growing inequality, it’s not just morally wrong, it’s bad economics,” he said. “Because when middle-class families have less to spend, guess what? Businesses have fewer consumers. When wealth concentrates at the very top, it can inflate unstable bubbles that threaten the economy. When the rungs on the ladder of opportunity grow farther and farther apart, it undermines the very essence of America, that idea that if you work hard, you can make it here.”

This statement demonstrates either Obama is profoundly ignorant of economic theory or he’s deliberately misrepresenting the business cycle to Americans. But none of his policy proposals — he promised to invest billions of dollars to build new infrastructure, improve education, create jobs programs and increase the minimum wage — have historically done anything to improve the economy. In fact, they have been shown to have deleterious effects. And all require a redistribution of wealth to accomplish.

Americans are already overtaxed. There is no more blood to be squeezed form the turnip. That’s not to say that Obama won’t propose more taxes to “pay” for his new policies.

The government/banker system is wide open, devaluing the dollar with the unlimited printing of money. This is economic war, pure and simple; and Americans don’t seem to care one way or the other.

When the money printers print bales of paper money, the dollars already in circulation become worthless. Anybody should understand this debauching of the currency translates to widespread impoverishment. Those who have now will soon be have-nots. No politician or government bureaucrat will reveal this to the American people.

Money printing is a gangrenous rot on society that steals wealth slowly but surely, as gangrene steals life from the patient. But the Federal Reserve is locked into a policy of quantitative easing to infinity. Any hint that the Fed is going to back off the money printing sends the market into convulsions.

But quantitative easing is as much responsible for the current economic malaise as the stimulus spending.

In his book When the Money Runs Out, Stephen D. King, chief economist of HSBC Holdings, writes:

The benefits of QE have a nasty habit of being channeled to precisely those parts of the economy that are unlikely to respond in a positive way. If, for example, lowering bond yields leads to a rally in stock prices, it will be easier for big, blue-chip companies to raise funds.

Small and medium-sized companies that have little or no access to capital markets and, instead, remain dependent on bank lending, have however derived little or no benefit.

The elected class loves the illusion of wealth created by money printing. A propped-up market is often cited as evidence of a growing economy. But it is merely an illusion, a bubble ripe for bursting.

The elected class loves the illusion of action created by wealth redistribution and “investment” in their pet industries and crony projects.

But neither of these “policies” benefits the middle class. They continue to get squeezed in the vise of taxation and inflation, their wealth pilfered from day by day.

Bob Livingston

founder of Personal Liberty Digest™, is an ultra-conservative American author and editor of The Bob Livingston Letter™, in circulation since 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

  • Harold Olsen

    This POS Obama lies so much that if he ever said something that I knew to be absolutely true, I still wouldn’t believe him. What a scumbag!

    • chocopot

      As I tell people, the only time this guy tells the truth is by accident.

      • WTS/JAY

        And even that, he’ll blame it on the Republicans!

    • FreedomFighter

      “The elected class loves the illusion of action created by wealth redistribution and “investment” in their pet industries and crony projects.”
      They love it because they are stealing it all from “WE THE PEOPLE” as they pit us against each other in fake racial tension, fake war against women issues, real war – for profit, confuse us with scandal, divide us politically, as they rape the country, steal the assets, deface the currency, ship the jobs elsewhere, and steal whatever else thru banking fraud, and a inflated stock market. In addition, raise the cost of energy thru fake shortage, stoppage of drilling permits and outright theft.
      Obama — liar an chief thief.
      Laus DeoSemper FI

  • Alex

    Alondra—
    I know that I go overboard once in a while, but Jesus Q. Xrist, girl, you need a giant cup of coffee with two heaping spoons of coherence!
    Did you go to school in the South, or wha?

    • BigGeezer

      at least she posts the truth… you alex are a clueless troll…

    • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

      Or wha !!!!

    • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear Alex,

      You write: “Did you go to school in the South…” Thanks for once again revealing your bigotry.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

    • vicki

      Ad Hominem

  • justaskin

    Two classes ahead: The ruling elite and the slaves. No middle man. Is that a dangerous thought to ponder or will history repeat itself? Is the NWO nearer than we think? Are we headed for seriously dangerous times? Are Obama and the Clintons really smugly in control or are we able to rescue America????????????

    • Timothy Sullivan

      And when the elite decides just how many slaves it actually requires to serve them, guess what happens to the excess slave population???

      • IsThisAmerica

        Don’t think I want to know.

      • WTS/JAY

        Soylent Green?

      • WTS/JAY

        Soylent Green?

    • chocopot

      I have been trying to explain the situation to friends and family for four years now. The cabal of uber-wealthy s—bags, headed by George Soros, who placed this POS, Obozo, in office, have a single goal: overseeing the destruction of this country by destroying our economy. They are well on the way to accomplishing that goal since things are already far worse than most people realize. The ultimate goal is a one-world government, ruled by the uber-wealthy for their benefit, with the other 99.999% of the population serving as their slaves in a new form of medieval feudalism.
      People do not seem to realize that freedom has been an alien concept through most of human history, and it is now well on its way to disappearing – possibly forever. The only reason there is anything called freedom on this planet today is because there is a United States of America. And the only reason we are able to do that is because we have the most powerful and amazing military the world has ever seen. Because of our far-flung military bases and our aircraft carriers and our nuclear submarines, we can project our military power (force) to nearly anywhere on the populated surface of the earth in a matter of hours. Thus, there is freedom for us and most others. But that military is funded by the enormous resources provided by our incredible economy, and that economy is now faltering badly. Once the economy is destroyed, which is what Obozo and his handlers have intended all along, the funds for that military will disappear, as will any semblance of what we once called freedom. And we are well on the way there.
      Future generations will curse us for allowing this to happen.

      • KG

        quote: The ultimate goal is a one-world government….

        If you are a Christian, then why are you so upset? I read the end of the book, and guess what? G-d’s going to have one-world government.

        1 Thessalonians 4
        King James Version (KJV)
        16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

        17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

        18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

        We are supposed to comfort each other, not scare ourselves to death. Where does Fear come from?

        • Guest

          Well, I am not a Christian, and I do not believe in any of that crap. What I concern myself with is what sort of country and what sort of world my children and their children will inherit and have to live in and with, and right now it’s not looking so good…

          And if you had half a brain, you would realize that it is your freedom that is going to disappear as well. Unless you are one of George Soros’ buddies… are you?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            KGB obviously believes he is benefiting from Socialism. He is probably a paid-shill or feeding at the trough in some other way. Don’t hold your breath waiting for the truth from him.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Guest says: “I am not a Christian, and I do not believe in any of that crap. What I concern myself with is what sort of country and what sort of world my children and their children will inherit ”

            I am surprise by your “concern” and your uncertainty in “what sort of country and what sort of world YOUR children and their children will inherit”

            I’ll tell you “what sort of country and what sort of world” they will live if you did not figure that out yet.

            “But know this, that in the LAST DAYS PERILOUS TIMES WILL COME: For men will be LOVERS OF THEMSELVES, lovers of money, boasters, PROUD, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, UNTHANKFUL, UNHOLY, unloving, unforgiving, SLANDERERS, WITHOUT SELF-CONTROL (immoral), brutal, DESPISERS OF GOOD, traitors, headstrong, haughty, LOVERS OF PLEASURE RATHER THAN LOVERS OF GOD, having a form of godliness (o’homobama and all his PERVERT and DECADENT guild) but denying its power. And FROM SUCH PEOPLE TURN AWAY (the Holy Scripture warns you, but for you it is a CRAP)! For of this sort are those who creep into households and make captives of gullible women loaded down with sins, led away by various lusts, always learning and NEVER ABLE TO COME TO THE KNOWLEDGE OF the TRUTH.”(2Timothy 3:1-7)

            Congratulation to you, Guest. We already there: in the LAWLESS, CORRUPT, IMMORAL world, which is ruled by Mentally PERVERT, Sexually DEPRAVED “LOVERS OF THEMSELVES” WITHOUT SELF-CONTROL, “lovers of money” and POWER, DESPISERS OF GOOD, traitors, LOVERS OF PLEASURE RATHER THAN LOVERS OF GOD, lazy ignoramus.

            Please keep “do not believe in any of that CRAP”. God granted you with the FREE WILL.

            Good luck in your UNBELIEF, but do not cry for your children present and future.

            Alondra, PROUD Christian

            P.S. I am sorry for disappointment, but your appeal to KG is like to scream into the dark deep hole. He does NOT care in “what sort of country and what sort of world my children and their children will” live. Next time choose someone who would share your worries.

        • chocopot

          Well, I am not a Christian, and I do not believe in any of that crap. What I concern myself with is the country and the world my children and their children are going to inherit from us – and right now it is not looking so good.

          If you had half a brain, you would also be concerned since it is your freedom as well that is gradually disappearing. Unless, of course, you are one of George Soros’ buddies… are you?

          • KG

            I find it amusing that so many non-Christians have Apocalyptic beliefs. Are you denying Christ and what He said?

          • chocopot

            I am a nonreligious person. I deal with reality, not with fantasies from someone’s religion. If you want to believe whatever from your religion, feel free to do so, but do not lay that on me. The reality of what is happening to this country is quite undeniable, regardless of what you would like to believe or have others believe. We are heading down the drain, rapidly, and not by chance – it is all by design. Feel free to bury your head in the sand or to try to convince anyone otherwise. It is what it is, and your denials will not change it.

          • KG

            However, you do have the ‘moral’ objection to organized labor? How can you have ‘morals’ if you don’t believe in G-d?

          • WTS/JAY

            Believing in G-D does not guarantee morality; Satan being the prime example.

          • KG

            Who said Satan doesn’t have morals? I mean Adolph Hitler had morals, Pinochet had morals as well as Stalin. I want to know WHOSE MORALITY?

          • WTS/JAY

            Since you were the one who brought up “morality”, you tell me.

          • KG

            I didn’t bring up ‘morality’ yous guys did. I mean, the whole point of ‘libertarianism’ is not ‘freedom’ but ‘morality’, right?

          • WTS/JAY

            KG: I didn’t bring up ‘morality’ yous guys did.

            KG to chocopot • 36 minutes ago−

            However, you do have the ‘moral’ objection to organized labor? How can you have ‘morals’ if you don’t believe in G-d?

          • KG

            Is that statement not true?

          • WTS/JAY

            No, its not a true statement. Because not all Atheists are devoid of morality; and not all who believe in G-d are moral!

          • KG

            Tell that to you Republican friends!

          • WTS/JAY

            And while i’m doing that, you can do same by telling it to your liberal-progressives!

          • KG

            My friends include lots of people of all persuasions and proclivities. However, if you told a typical Religious Right Wing Republican he would probably try to cast demons out of you.

          • Nadzieja batki

            First sentence a lie and then you keep adding some more lies.

          • KG

            Oh geezes….yer so funnny! ;)

          • WTS/JAY

            KG: My friends include lots of people of all persuasions and proclivities.

            Hmm, i can just imagine.

          • WTS/JAY

            KG: mean, the whole point of ‘libertarianism’ is not ‘freedom’ but ‘morality’, right?

            Is it?

          • Bill

            No

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            No, KGB, the point of Libertarianism is Freedom — Freedom from the Force of Government.
            If you really want to understand what a Libertarian is, you could read this:
            http://library.mises.org/books/Murray%20N%20Rothbard/For%20a%20New%20Liberty%20The%20Libertarian%20Manifesto.pdf

            Or you could just continue being the lying misinformer that we have endured for many months.

          • KG

            I went to mises.org to see if the website still had the little red stripe that said “Proceding ever so boldly against evil.” which dosen’t sound like an economic scientific statement but more like a ‘moral’ challenge. And then I saw this gem in the quote of the day:

            “In relation to the immense sacrifices that the state demands of the individual through the blood tax, it seems rather incidental whether it compensates the soldier more or less abundantly for the loss of time that he suffers from his military-service obligation.”

            — Ludwig von Mises, in Nation, State, and Economy

            So, in other words, these ‘taxpayers’ are more important that the soldiers defending their freedom. WOW and you still think Von Misies is NOT a fascist?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Where did you learn to read, KGB? Public School?
            “Blood tax” = that blood which the soldier sheds while doing his job.

            In other words, there is no greater slavery than to compel somebody to give up their life or limbs.

            You can read the quote in context here (page 197):
            http://library.mises.org/books/Ludwig%20von%20Mises/Nation,%20State,%20and%20Economy.pdf

          • KG

            John 15:13

            King James Version (KJV)

            13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

          • chocopot

            Hitler and Stalin had morals? You had better go and read some history books.

          • KG

            Morality is nothing more than the ability to judge something right or wrong. Or, in biblical terms, “knowledge of good and evil.” So, if I judge something to be evil, I am making a moral statement. Just as if i judge something ‘good’.

            That’s why when people talk about ‘morality’, I always ask myself “Whose morality?” I find Republicans and Libertarians as ‘Immoral’ . But they consider me as a Union member ‘immoral’.

            So, who is right?

          • WTS/JAY

            KG: So, if I judge something to be evil, I am making a moral statement.

            Define evil.

          • KG

            Yes and no. Ill let you do that.

          • chocopot

            You are a very disturbed person. You should seek help. Discussion over.

          • KG

            Thats why I came here.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I suppose we could start with a list of what you consider to be moral behavior, KGB, and then go from there.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            But you are immoral, KG. Rationalizing behind the union label does not change facts.

          • KG

            John 8:7

            King James Version (KJV)

            7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Morality is subjective and counterfeit to Biblical Morality, chocopot. How else would people have followed Hitler and Stalin and O. There is just enough good to fool people. Hitler and Stalin patted dogs and kids and made nice during parades and smiled and waved, next moment they had people killed.

          • Bruce D

            Stalin and Hitler and all others do not have morality they have an Ideology which is often distorted and abused to retain their ‘evil’ actions.
            Muslim radicals share this view and do not care who they kill in the name of your Morality

            These are actions that go against the fabric of a normal society and until meglomaniacs are dethroned and eliminated there will be no peace in this world.

          • KG

            Morality comes from Ideology. If you ideology is in disagreement, you can always make a ‘moral’ judgement and justify it anyway. The Republicans have been doing this for years.

            So the Christians who, during the crusades, killed whomever were in their way did a ‘moral’ thing? Christians want to forget the Crusades where WE were the ‘terrorists’, but the Muslim world has not. Because the western world has abused and used their resources without regard to their life or liberty. Just ask BP.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Yes, KGB, it is hypocrisy for a person to preach morality which that person does not adhere to himself. You should know all about that having called workers “rats” who didn’t care to join your gang of Unionists.
            As far as the plundering of resources goes, you need to be much more explicit. How are they plundering? Who are they plundering? Are you talking about Crony Capitalists, Market Capitalists, Leaders, or the masses?

          • KG

            My grandfather worked In Saudi Arabia in the 30’s. He worked on lots of buried pipelines Many times a bedouin worker would fall in, and they would just keep going. He said there were probably thousands of dead arabians in the desert that they used up. Died from exhaustion, or doing a job that the white, english workers wouldn’t even try to do. If I learned that my grandfather died such an ignoble death I would be upset too.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Were they forced to work? If so, by whom? And why do you think that is pertinent to my comment?

          • KG

            It seems that your morality is a bout as shinny as a producer for a reality show. How about feeding Christians to a Lion? “If the sign a waiver, sure!”

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            More nonsense from KGB.
            As expected, you didn’t answer my questions. Now why would that be, if you honestly are here for inquiry?
            The regular readers know that you aren’t, of course, which explains why you steer clear of debating me and answering my questions.

          • KG

            Were they forced to work? Are you ‘forced’ to work?
            The resources they were exploiting was the human beings and the oil beneath their feet.

            I’m not trying to steer clear of debating, I’m just showing everybody just how selfish/self centered you ‘libertarians’ are. To have a battle of wits with an unarmed person is really unfair.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            That was your idea of a battle of wits, KGB?
            Where was the wit?
            Did that oil belong to them? If so, how so? The Big Government you stump for would be the first to take that oil from a private owner, so how is it that you have come to your erroneous conclusion that you care for the little man?
            I’m self-centered? I’m not the one who wants to Force my way on other people using Big Government as my bully boy, KGB. That would be you.

          • KG

            Dave, let’s got to the pub and have a pint. I think we BOTH need one!
            Cheers!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I don’t hang out with criminals, KGB.

          • WTS/JAY

            KG: To have a battle of wits with an unarmed person is really unfair.

            I agree, KG; so why not arm yourself?

          • Nadzieja Batki

            So you are now admitting that you are a Muslim and a Marxist. Dancing around and bashing Jews and Christians was your way of hiding that you are a Muslim and a full blown Marxist.

          • chocopot

            I object to ‘organized’ labor when they become extortionists and blackmailers like they have. As for “How can you have ‘morals’ if you don’t believe in G-d?,” well, it’s very simple, I do. Believing in G-d has no impact on that.
            Please end this discussion string since we are going in a circle.

          • KG

            quote: I object to ‘organized’ labor when they become extortionists and blackmailers like they have.

            I object to businesses when they extort and blackmail workers – like what they did to America in 2008.

          • WTS/JAY

            KG: I object to businesses when they extort and blackmail workers – like what they did to America in 2008.

            That was done by BIG-government(W+Obama) under the direction of BIG-banks!

          • KG

            Ha! Yous guys are sooo funny!

          • chocopot

            Wrong. That was the politicians who get their contributions from their friends in big business who were actually responsbile for that extortion – and they gave mostly to your hero, Obozo.

          • vicki

            Example please?

          • Bill

            Nice try, but we have no moral obligation to an un-moral union

          • Bill

            That sounds like a baited question

        • WTS/JAY

          KG: Where does Fear come from?

          Fear comes from ignorance, KG, and you sure spread a lot of it!

        • Bill

          KG,
          You are part of the problem and not the solution

        • got my licence

          KG you lie with half truths.
          There will be a one wourld gov. on earth created and controled by the antichrist. My guess it will be from the extream musilums. When Christ returns he will take us to a new world before he flushes this one. I do not know if it will be this world rebuilt or someplace else. Don’t know , don’t care, I guess thats why they call it faith. But untill that time I will continue to raise my family hopeing to live long enough to see my grandkids, being good to others, and maybe showing others that if a basketcaes like me could get a second chance they can also. Every saint has a past and every sinner a future.

        • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

          KG asks: “If you are a Christian, then why are you so upset? I read the end of the book, and guess what? G-d’s going to have one-world government.”

          KG, I am a Christian and I am very pleased that God created TWO-world governments: One is the Kingdom of God in the Heaven, and the second is the Satan’s kingdom in the h-e-l-l.

          “Do you not know that the UNRIGHTEOUS WILL NOT INHERIT the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor HOMOSEXUALS [a] (in Greek – malakoi*) nor SODOMITES, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.” (1 Corinthians 6:9)

          *Malakoi – 1) a boy kept for homosexual relations with a man – PEDOPHILES; 2) a male prostitute

          “I will declare to them: ‘I NEVER KNEW YOU; DEPART FROM Me, you WORKERS OF LAWLESSNESS.” – Jesus Christ (Matthew 7:21-23)

          Many sons of this world “will be cast out into outer darkness.There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth” (Matthew 8:12)

          “The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, 42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.” (Matthew 13:41-42)

          “For many are called, but FEW ARE CHOSEN.” – Jesus Christ (Matthew 22:14)

          CONCLUSION:
          KG, you are “You are of your father the devil (a.k.a. Satan), and the DESIRES OF YOUR FATHER YOU WANT TO DO. He … does NOT STAND IN THE TRUTH, because THERE IS NO TRUTH IN HIM. When he speaks a LIE, he speaks from his own resources,for HE IS A LIAR AND THE FATHER OF IT.” (John 8:44)

          KG, you have your father’s DNA and his Y hromosome is screaming out thru you.

          KG, you missed the REAL END of the DELIGHTFUL and TRUTHFUL book:

          “Then the devil, who had DECEIVED THEM, was thrown into the FIERY LAKE of burning sulfur, joining the beast and the FALSE PROPHET. There THEY WILL BE TORMENTED DAY and NIGHT FOREVER and EVER…And anyone whose name was not found recorded in the Book of Life was thrown into the lake of fire.” (Revelation 20:10, 15)

          “But COWARDS, UNBELIEVERS, the CORRUPT, MURDERERS, the SEXUALLY IMMORAL, those who practice witchcraft, IDOL WORSHIPERS, and ALL LIARS shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the SECOND DEATH (and final).” (Revelation 21:8)

          “So it will be at the END of the age. The angels will come forth, separate the wicked from among the just, and cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.” – King Jesus Christ (Matthew 13:49-50)

          • KG

            Is the ‘kingdom of G-d’ that Jesus speaks about in heaven or is it here on earth? Jesus said:

            Matthew 3:2
            King James Version (KJV)
            2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

            So either the kingdom was there already or it was very close. Is Jesus a liar?

            Matthew 7:21
            Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

            Here he clearly places the two places separate from each other.

            Matthew 8:11
            And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.

            Here he talks about other people. The Arabs and the Chinese. And that they will sit with Abraham, Issac, and Jacob – or Israel.

            WE ARE IN THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN. That is, if you do what Jesus said in Matthew 5.

          • vicki

            This should help reset anyone’s moral compass and defeat the moral relativism unleashed upon the earth.

            ———————————
            Your Creator gave you life and free will.
            How you use those gifts and how you honor them in others is how you shall be judged.
            ———————————

            Note the above does not work for anyone who does not believe that free will exists. It will work for all others.

          • KG

            quote:… is how you shall be judged.

            Yes, by other men. However, G-d’s standards are even higher than that.

            Matthew 5:20

            King James Version (KJV)

            20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

            Matthew 6 (King James Version)
            19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:

            20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:

            21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

            Also, none of us are going to make it anyway:

            Romans 3:23
            King James Version (KJV)
            23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God…

            So, how are any of us worthy to go to heaven?

          • vicki

            The astute reader will have noticed that I did not specify WHO would judge. The answer of course is man while here on earth and God when your body dies and and you face Him.

          • KG

            That’s right – because YOU want to be the judge. YOU have the knowledge of good and evil. It seems that you have committed the same sin that Adam and Eve did.

            Drop the fruit, spit it out, and you may see the truth.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            KG, please keep proving that you are your daddy’s
            Mouth-piece.

            “You are of your father the devil (a.k.a. Satan), and the DESIRES OF YOUR FATHER YOU WANT TO DO. He … does NOT STAND IN THE TRUTH, because THERE IS NO TRUTH IN HIM. When he speaks a LIE, he speaks from his own resources,for HE IS A LIAR AND THE FATHER OF IT.” (John 8:44)

          • KG

            Matthew 10:28
            King James Version (KJV)
            28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

            Matthew 11:19
            King James Version (KJV)
            19 The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.

            Matthew 12
            King James Version (KJV)
            25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:

            26 And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?

            27 And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges.

            28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      The “middle class” will not go away in America but it will be severely micromanaged. The “middle class” is the Feeder Class for the rich as well as the poor, where do you think the money comes from to “fund” government.
      The rich would use up their substance and stagnate and the poor don’t have anything to give.

      • vicki

        I.E. What will the socialists do when they run out of other peoples money. :)

  • merle

    So what are the reps going to do about him? Are they going to set back and let him continue to run us to the ground? Why don’t they refuse to raise the debt limit, we can go without a few things (Like food stamps to illegals)do not fund Obamacare, throw a wrench in every thing he does till 2016. Sure they will get yelled at but we can’t let him continue to rule as he has been doing.He thinks he is a King.But he is more like HItler.

  • Alex

    You can always tell which PLD posters glean their “information” by listening to the drug-addicted pedophile Flush Limpjaw or by sucking carbon monoxide from the Faux Noose tailpipe—-packaged misinformation wrapped in vitriol, all tied up in red-white-and-boohoohoo ribbons. Truth being a fierce allergen to these simple folk, they reach not for the Epi-pen but the remote, secure in the fuzzy blanket of fluff provided by Sean insHannity or MeGYN Kelly.

    Point these Teabaggers in the right (Left) direction and they quickly melt into puddles of whimpering, whining self-parody of the paranoid Bircher looking for Communists in the floorboards or else explode in VIOLENT UPPERCASE ASSAULT on reason, their Great & Unrelieved Anger—shrieking non-sequitur peppered with parroted Fright Wing squawking points.

    Don’t you Cro-Mags get it?!? All y’all LOST!!

    Benghazi, IRS, NBP, SLA (<<<HA! good one!), Solyndra, Rev. Wright, Bill Ayers, Van Jones, ACORN, F&F—-WHATEVER!—-NONE of these or any of the myriad other 'scandals' you get so lathered over had the least effect in seeing Barack Obama's lease on the White Guy's House extended another four years—-nothing! PLUS+++ The GOP lost ground in the Senate and was thrashed in House race ballot box by an aggregate FIVE MILLION votes! If you guys had not drawn such gerrymandered districts your incessant and juvenile obstruction would matter not one whit. Losers!!

    So, Mr Livingston, you and your hateful, poor loser sycophants can whine about the economy all you wish, but don't blame the president. He is not the problem.

    The problem is Capitalism, which has never worked, not anywhere, and never will. It is as decrepit as Soviet Communism, but unlike the latter, has neither the grace or good sense to crawl into the pit of failed Societal Experiments where it belongs and where it will finish decomposing (it has, of course, been putrifying for quite some time, and, as with all things, it is time which will win out in the end). That is a more distant future than what is at hand, although most of your PLD lemmings seem to see it as near on nigh……ha. Yes–no sense in getting too far ahead of ourselves—the near future is decidedly upbeat, what with our first woman president (Hillary almost certainly, although Elizabeth Warren would be most welcome!) taking office in 2017, and it is that near future that you folks are so twitchy about. In short, the GOP is dead, as dead as the Whigs and the Federalists. Much deader than the blessed Wobblies, in fact.

    As has been pointed out so often, Right Wing politics offer nothing to the bulk of the plebiscite. Women and young people and non-Caucasoids avoid the GOP, the Tea Party, the KKK, the NRA, the Amerikan Nazis and such.

    Now, certainly it is stretching things to link all of those groups. Such simple equating is really a Right Wing specialty, but the problem for you people is that tomorrow's voters get their cues from your delusions. The Right Wing just does not know how to escape the gravity of the Black Hole of Ignorance that defines nearly every GOP utterance. You folks lost, you lost bad, and it willnot get better, not for you.

    The rest of us will be fine, though, thanks for askin'….

    • Alex

      Hey—-fix your computer, Bob! What the heck did you guys do to my masterful post? It is all scrambled up….

      • WTS/JAY

        Much like your brain. What a boob!

      • IsThisAmerica

        Surprised you wern’t deleted, Ha Ha can’t read your dribble. Oh of course it was SOMEBODY ELSES FAULT, typical, loony, leftist. You belong in the insane asylum.

      • IsThisAmerica

        That’s your brain on drugs. Quit sucking down the kool-aid and smoking all the reefer. You have no idea what you are saying, it’s all babble.

      • Bill

        It’s just your meds not working right

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        His Nonsense to English translator must have gone on the blink.

    • unbridled

      You’re the one that doesn’t get it, screwloose! It doesn’t matter who is in office. The fix is and has been in for quite some time. The American experiment is doomed to fail and you, you peace of garbage, are going down with the rest of us. You won’t even get a kiss for supporting our demise. Way to go COMRADE alex!

    • chocopot

      You are a self-delusional fool.

    • Doc Sarvis

      Alex, I got the first two paragraphs and you are right on.

    • DSVet

      Alex, you are either Communist or Socialist…or both. Outside of having no data to back up your rhetoric, it is your opinion, simply that…reality will come to you and yours, as well as the rest of us, in the years to come if “We the People” don’t act to preserve out Constitution and Bill of Rights. I am an American, and a Patriot and have sworn an allegiance to protect and defend our Constitution, you obviously have not.

      • rbrooks

        you believe every american has the right to own a fire arm. regardless of age, gender, criminal or civil behavior. right?

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          We believe it in none of your business, rbrooks, what we own, as long as we don’t trespass on the bodies and property of others.
          Guns save lives:
          https://www.gunowners.org/sk0802htm.htm

          • rbrooks

            yes davey, you only care about your rights. we all know that.

            the question is about the rights of all americans.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Which you disdain.

          • rbrooks

            i disdain you supporting the elimination of the rights of americans.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Don’t you mean you double-speak, Flashman?
            How does your taking away of peoples’ rights support their rights?

          • rbrooks

            don’t deflect. you support gun control. as long as you are not being included.

            your version of personal liberty.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            How can we tell when Flashman is lying? His lips are moving.
            Show me where I have supported gun control, Flashman.

          • JeffH

            WOW! The more rbrooks speaks the more he sounds like unhinged Jeff and Dave47D. Their conjecture is amazingly similar as is their method of delivery.

          • WTS/JAY

            Hard to imagine that there are actually people like brooks walking the planet. Hope there’s not too many of them!

          • vicki

            Which right(s) do you think TODaveH is supporting the elimination of?

          • Nadzieja Batki

            rbrooks, WHO is going to give you rights, the Marxist in Chief and his minions?

            Keep talking, we need to know what a Dem/Prog/Leftist believes.

          • rbrooks

            are you referring to reagan, little bush or politicians in general.

          • vicki

            ONE of the rights of all Americans is to own guns. By reading TODaveH’s posts it is clear that he does support your rights. Too bad you do not honor him by doing the same.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You have no right to render other people defenseless, Flashman.
            You are no different than a common rapist if you choose to Force that on other people.

          • rbrooks

            does that mean you support the right of every american to own a gun, regardless of age, criminal or civil behavior.

            even felons.

            a simple yes or no.

            i will even start.

            yes. every american has the right to own a gun. regardless. no permits or license required.

            i expect bob and every one of his faithful followers to agree.

          • vicki

            Yes every person has the right to keep and bear the best tools for defense they choose. NO restrictions. See Amendment 2, US Constitution.

            Should you mis-use that right you can and will face due process as stated in the Constitution.

            Many will ask how to deal with ex-felons
            The answer is simple. Keep them in jail until they have served their time. To send them out in the world and demand that they go defenseless is impossibly cruel punishment.

            Many will ask how to deal with the mentally ill.
            The answer is simple. Keep them in an institution where they are protected until they are well.

            Many will ask how to deal with children.
            The answer is simple. Train them from the age they are able to hold a tool the proper use of the tool. When they are younger than that they need the supervision of an adult anyway as there are many tools in the world besides firearms that can do serious damage.

          • rbrooks

            bravo. you are one of the very few on this site that believe in the 2nd amendment.

          • rbrooks

            you believe every american has the right to own a fire arm. regardless of age, gender, criminal or civil behavior. right?

            still waiting

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            What I believe, Flashman, is that it’s none of your damn business what anybody owns as long as they don’t trespass on other people’s body or property.
            Make no mistake, Flashman. If you take their property, it is you who are the aggressor, no matter how your demented mind fantasizes otherwise.

          • rbrooks

            purty simple question. that you, bob and the other faithful followers refuse to answer.

            old bob removed a few posts. he doesn’t want to admit he supports gun control any more than you do.

            i believe every american has the right to own a gun. regardless of age, race, religion, criminal or civil behavior. no license or permit required. no infringements allowed.

            it is interesting that i seem to be the only one on this site that has that belief.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Your statement is meaningless to me, rbrooks, because I wouldn’t believe a word you say.

          • rbrooks

            thanks for proving you do not believe in the constitution or the bill of rights.

            i knew you could do it.

            you only whine when might be included in the next round of infringements.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Thank you, Flashman, for providing the readers with a view of a typical Liberal Progressive.

          • rbrooks

            your welcome. i seem to be the only one on this site that believes the 2nd amendment apply’s to all americans.

            not just a select few.

          • vicki

            Wait no longer. The answer is above.

          • rbrooks

            nh needs you, davey.

            http://news.yahoo.com/legislative-stalemate-means-more-nh-140140309.html

            run up and show those folks how private business can fix their little problem.

            lol.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            That’s funny, Flashman. You post an article that shows the results of Government bumbling, and you think it somehow supports your contention when in actuality it supports the fact that private enterprise would be a better solution — one which is being pursued ever-increasingly by broke Governments across the country:
            http://reason.org/news/show/annual-privatization-2011-transport

          • rbrooks

            this is the chance you have been waiting for.

            stop blaming others.

            show us how private business is going to fix the problem.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I just did. Didn’t the public schools teach you how to read?

          • rbrooks

            lol. all you have shown is how a few private companies are making use of existing transportation that was built by socialism. using the very same methods that have been used in the past.

            extracting tolls for usage. nothing new about that.

            this is just more of that crony capitalism you despise.

            got any viable solutions.

            rand and carlyle never had any long term solutions that worked either.

            nh is waiting on you to solve the problem. looks like they will be waiting for a long time.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            We’ve seen your solution in your own article and it isn’t pretty. Socialism can only exist as long as they have Capitalists’ shoulders to ride on. This has been proven by every country in history who have outlawed Capitalism.

          • rbrooks

            capitalism, of and by it’s self, has never worked. never will.

            it has been the capitalists that have created the current problems.

            you got that road built yet?

            didn’t think so.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Yes I did, Flashman. And it cost me twice as much as it should have because I was Forced to let Government do the job.

          • rbrooks

            the residents of nh will be relieved to know their roads have been fixed.

            if you have the time, there are few more that could use your expertise.

            great job davey.

    • Bill

      Off your meds again. Alex?

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Alex, a typical Liberal Progressive who must mount ad hominem attacks since he is bereft of facts.

    • vicki

      Ad hominem

  • northbrook

    Obama has had 4 years to right the economy and establish programs for creating jobs and what has he done create the worst possible program for medical care destroying jobs due to the insurance burdens on employeers instead he squander the peoples money on failed green projects for his crony supporters making them richer and the country poorer.
    Why doesn’t he approve the XL Pipeline immediate job opportunities/ instead he is waging a war on the coal industry costing jobs / releasing his war dog EPA to regulate to death industries that are already burdened with red tape. Now he is trying to distract the people from the scandals that have surfaced by going back to previous promises of creating jobs/ The scandals that he claims are phony are the results of his administration’s persecution of enemies list – IRS scrutiny of tax status on the Tea Party and supporters of GOP candidates, NSA spying on the American public,the Bengazi coverup, Fast and Furious guns to the Mexican cartels. These exist because the government is out of control.
    Rather than supporting the nation’s energy independence he continues to have the BBSE and the EPA block permits to drill -why to keep the US subserviant to the oil cartel. We need to remember this during the coming elections and vote the Democrats from power in the Senate and place a strong set of candidates in the House and Senate that will do the people’s will and place the nation back on track for prosperity.

    • KG

      The real reason behind the XL pipeline is the question – will it be done Union or Rat? The ‘shovel ready’ projects that were ready to go in 2008 were stopped by the Republicans because they realized that a majority of the projects were going to be done Union. Their Non-union ‘rat’ buddies couldn’t hope to get any of that money anyway – because they are unqualified and under financed to do such a project.

      • WTS/JAY

        Pure Poppycock, KG. In fact, yours is a bald-faced lie!

        On November 10, 2011, President Obama stood up for Americans and put the future of the planet ahead of Big Oil. Citing climate change, President Obama sent the Keystone XL pipeline project back for review until at least 2013. The announcement is a reflection of the President’s commitment to clean energy…not my words, btw, but straight from the Obama’s brain-dead media, ABC, or is it, KGB…?

        Read the rest here, KG: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/president-obama-rejects-keystone-xl-pipeline/story?id=15387980

      • Jim B

        Where do you get such fiction KG? Shovel ready was a phrase made up by BHO, there turned out to be no such projects on the burner or the back burner. When it was discovered that tax payer funding was going off to never-never land BHO decided to spend the American taxpayer month on undeveloped, untested energy technologies/companies that resulted in billions of tax payer dollars going down the bankruptcy hole. Your explanation has no ounce of truth, and is illiterate at best.

      • Ried

        hahahahahahahahahahaha

      • Bill

        And Don’t forget how effective the unions were in Detroit.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        KGB says — “The real reason behind the XL pipeline is the question – will it be done Union or Rat?”.

        Another “compassionate” Socialist shows his true colors by trying to dehumanize those who would be happy to work for a Market Wage instead of forming a violent Gang to coerce higher than Market Wages from employers who must then raise their prices to consumers, or lay off other workers to make ends meet.

        http://mises.org/Econsense/ch37.asp

    • Bill

      Good Comments, Northbrook,
      It is like Jimmy Carter on Steroids

  • KG

    quote: Barack Obama, the undocumented usurper…

    As soon as I saw this pitiful, hateful, stupid comment from the esteemed Mr Livingstoned I knew I was in for his typical diatribe of treasonous attacks against the American people – da gubmant. It seems as though he feels his Ideas somewhat superior to what working Americans want. Working Americans don’t want Jobs, they want foodstamps – right? Isin’t that what you are saying? What you are really saying is that Americans ‘suck’. They don’t deserve anything because they are lazy and have no initiative – am I right, Mr Livingstoned? I realize that being Libertarian really has nothing to do with ‘liberty’ but has everything to do with ‘moralizing’ – or felling YOUR morals ‘superior’ to the working class scum that struggles everyday to make a better life for themselves.

    • WTS/JAY

      Alex, is this you?

      • KG

        No – just another disembodied member of the blogosphere.

    • hippybiker

      Typical drivel from the mind of a diseased troll.

    • Jim B

      Can’t connect the dots hey KG. Our government, specifically this government has drained the American resources with policy polluting politics that has resulted in 50 million of its people requiring food, medical, housing, clothing, and education supplements, and in most cases a full ride. That free ride is slung on the backs of middle class American taxpayers who have had enough. Lose the middle class and you have Detroit. BHO has done nothing but add to the overwhelming burden already being carried by adding another 7 Trillion to the debt, and carrying a 1.5 Trillion dollar yearly deficit since his presidency. To shut this government down is the best course of action for the middle class. Any other government option will only make this situation worse. Freedom, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness need to be restored to this country, BHO is not the one to make this happen for he has shown over and over again that he is not for these ideas.

    • rbrooks

      bob is not a libertarian. he is not for liberty. bob’s only concern is ensuring that bob is granted his own version of liberty. he is not concerned with anyone else.

      bob, the other story writers and their small group of supporters, is/are quite willing to give up your liberty in exchange for his/their liberty.

      it is the selling point of all of the story writers on this site.

      we should all work together to fight for their rights.

      that is bob’s definition of a patriot.

      bob, and his faithful few, want all of the benefits of socialized govt, with out being required to ever pay a penny for the use of those benefits.

      they try to call that being self reliant. self made.

      there only difference between bob, wayne, chip, etc and obama, bush etc. is the level of salesmanship.

      • KG

        During WWII MRA, or Moral Rearmament , the precursor to AA as well as several right wing groups, made a pamphlet entitled “How YOU can defend America.” And, sadly, thats their attitude to lots of things. You may wish to lump Mr Obama in that group, if you wish. But, the fact is his actions speak volumes compared to the actions of the Republicans.

      • Bill

        Rbrooks,
        And you are a follower of KG’s “Detroit Model”

        • rbrooks

          unlike you, i understand how detriot fell. it was predicated. easily predicated.

          the collapse of the economy was also predicated.

          your ignorant fear is being used to eliminate wage protection & increase job loss by technology and immigration. (manipulating the labor pool)

          business is reaping what they have sown.

          it is interesting to watch.

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear rbrooks,

            You write: “unlike you, i understand how detriot fell. it was predicated. easily predicate.” Yes it was predicated upon failed progressive policies. And it shows what happens with big government and cronyism sans money printing.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • rbrooks

            the first prediction was based on the loss of jobs by and thru technology.
            the 2nd prediction came from the low wage policy, which increased the loss of customers.

            govt did step in and make the entire issue worse.

            big govt was not the initial problem. you can remove govt.

            but that leaves us with the problem you wrote about.

            what will you do with all of those unemployed & under employed folks that are no longer receiving aid?

          • Nadzieja Batki

            What good was the predicting if Detroit’s failure when there is no intention of correcting the problems.

          • rbrooks

            solutions were provided. none were ever implemented.

            i doubt they ever will be.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        Feel free to demonstrate any of your ad hominem attacks, rbrooks with evidence.

        • rbrooks

          the evidence has been supplied.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Where?

          • WTS/JAY

            I think it’s over there somewhere…(-:

    • Bill

      And your answer, KG is more unions.
      The results of your economic model is Detroit. So, we will name the KG economic recommendations “The Detroit Model”

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      One ugly diatribe of unsupported ad hominem attack.
      Do you ever have anything honest and real to say, KGB?

  • WTS/JAY

    Obama, more than Al Gore, George W. Bush, John McCain, or Hillary Clinton, has been the most fully realized CONSENSUS CORPORATIST CANDIDATE of the last decade. His policies reflect a revival of the overt corporatist model prevalent in Bill Clinton’s first two years, with a vengeance. Obama’s economic rescue package was written by Wall Street, through Timothy Geithner and company; the same will be true of any “financial regulation reform” that ensues from Washington. Big business, with some input from big labor, has already written the immigration bill, quietly resting withChuck Schumer and Lindsey Graham, ready to be sprung when the time is ready; it will narrow citizenship rights and redefine immigration from a strictly economic point of view. Energy companies are fully incorporated into the writing of the climate and energy bills. The military writes war policy (General Stanley McChrystal’s little “rebellion,” as Obama was supposedly “thinking out” Afghanistan war policy, was all the more ironic for its pure redundancy). Any legislation that comes out of Washington can only be corporatist in tendency (this will be further enhanced by the Supreme Court striking down campaign finance restrictions), and will only make things in each of the realms — energy, finance, immigration, health care — worse, by definition, since genuine redistributive/egalitarian thinking is completely off the table. – Huffington Post

    • gswifty

      Very exact and correct comment. But I thought that was you talking, Jay. Or is that from the Huffington post? Got a link?

      • TheOriginalDaveH
        • WTS/JAY

          Thanks DaveH!

      • WTS/JAY

        gswiftly: Very exact and correct comment.

        I agree! And to think that it came from a left-wing site; could things be looking up?

        • gswifty

          That’s why I had to ask. I come from counterpunch myself, and I’m starting to see many more people from different stripes and backgrounds ‘coming around’. Cheers!

  • WTS/JAY

    WASHINGTON — The Obama administration is pursuing a free trade agreement with the European Union that would grant corporations new political power to challenge an array of regulations both at home and abroad, according to an administration official involved in the negotiations.

    While the plan is still in its early stages, the effort alarms consumer and environmental advocates who worry it will lead to a rollback of important rules and put multinational companies on the same political plane as sovereign nations.

    If states are unable to pass and enforce laws within their borders, it could change the nature of their community and government, nonprofit groups emphasize. Exactly how broad these corporate political powers will be is undetermined, but one aspect of the agreement, known as “investor-state dispute resolution,” would allow a company to appeal a regulatory rule or law to an international court, most likely the World Bank. The international body would be given authority to impose economic sanctions against any country that violated its verdict, including the United States.

    A spokesperson for the Office of the United States Trade Representative confirmed to HuffPost that the agency “will seek the inclusion of procedures for expeditious, fair and transparent investor-state dispute resolution” under a new pact with the EU, but said that the new legal framework will be “subject to appropriate safeguards and the protection of legitimate government regulatory interests.”

    The investor-state resolution is opposed by many public interest groups.

    “These provisions elevate corporations to the level of nation states and allow them to sue governments over nearly any law or policy which reduces their future profits,” said Ilana Solomon, trade specialist for the Sierra Club, an environmental protection group.

    She said investor-state resolution is “terribly risky for communities, the environment, and our climate.”

    The U.S. Chamber of Commerce has been advocating for a new trade deal between the U.S. and EU for more than a year, and President Barack Obama endorsed the project in his 2013 State of the Union address. -Huffington Post

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/04/eu-trade-deal_n_2994410.html

    • John Cherish

      Time to get the UN out of American affairs and out of our country

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        I second that motion.
        It is an organization that was set up by Leaders for Leaders and we can’t expect it to do anything more than promoting those Leaders’ self interests.
        10 reasons to abolish the UN:
        http://frontpagemag.com/upload/pamphlets/UN.pdf

      • JeffH

        John, haven’t noticed you commenting before today but it’s always nice to see an informed participant come to PLD.
        Welcome aboard

  • John Wesley Bletsch

    Of course Obama is going to deflect, misdirect, disinform, pontificate, bloviate, and literally do anything he can to distract attention from the so called phoney scandals. One must remember that scandals are usually the result of moral terpitude whereas what is facing Obama and his entire administration are crimes perpetrated and committed by this criminal cabal posing as a government administration. Since when are the murders of 4 Americans in the service of their nation anything but a crime? When is the material support of our enemies considered less than Treason. When are the murders of hundreds of innocent foreign nationals by arms illegally sent across international borders anything but crimes against humanity? All the distraction is meant to pull attention away from crimes that ordinary people would go to prison for a very long time upon conviction. When a government administration is being run as a criminal enterprise said government administration must be terminated and reorganized according to the Constitution. Those responsible must be held accountable and prosecuted as the least of us would be.

  • Warrior

    For those of you who were “forced” to sit through this agonizing “phony” 67 minutes of partisan jibber jabber, what did you learn? “The Walking Dead”, coming to a neighborhood near you.

    • rbrooks

      some one forced you to watch? i changed the channel.
      most tv’s have a power button. you should learn to use it.

      • WTS/JAY

        You changed the channel? To what, Sesame street?

    • John Cherish

      I watched it because I need to keep informed of what the idiot in the white house is up to, but I could have just watched one of his previous speeches as it was more of the same. he should just make a video of one and replay it every time he needs or wants to make a speech. he would then have more time for Vacations and Golf

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        Good one, John.

  • jimmie smith

    I’m convinced this (government policy) is by design, just to create a (new America)? Keep the people in perpetual state of division. “A house divided will not stand”. That quote is more in truth today than ever before.

  • rbrooks

    really good stuff there bob. you have all the makings of a fine politician. you point out a few of the problems. ignore how those problems were created.

    then offer no viable solutions.

    • WTS/JAY

      Alex, is that you?

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        No, it’s Flashy.

        • WTS/JAY

          Its Hugo, the man of a thousand faces.

      • JeffH

        Alex? Flashy? Well he is an obvious progressive shill.

    • wandamurline

      One viable solution would be to change the size of this enormous government….take it back to Constitutional provisions….that would be
      cutting about 2/3rds of the government…then we can start repealing the laws that are killing our economy and put back the “gold standard” to stop the crazy spending…cutting foreign aid to our enemies.

      • rbrooks

        end foreign aid, corporate subsidies, farm welfare.
        term limits at every level of govt.
        end social services to non u.s. citizens.
        no anchor births.
        rescind all work visas’.

        fair trade agreements.

        put america and americans first.

        • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

          Dear rbrooks,

          You wrote above: “then offer no viable solutions.” But I see you have seen some of the solutions I’ve offered.

          Best wishes,
          Bob

          • rbrooks

            we have had this discussion bob. it was what originally convinced me to sign up for your site.

            some where along the way, you stumbled.. changed direction.

            you have become lost in your personal fixation on obama.

            look no farther than your current faithful.

            quite a change over the past few years.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Maybe you should try just sticking to one personality, Flashman, so you have more credibility.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          rbrooks says — “end social services to non u.s. citizens”.
          Why stop there? It isn’t Government’s money to give. Nobody should be getting money from unwilling donors. It not only is immoral, but it creates Moral Hazard. That is –people (the recipients) are incentivized to become less productive and less responsible for their own actions.

          rbrooks says — “rescind all work visas”.
          Why? You want to stop productive people from producing more goods and services? How could less production possibly result in a better economy?

          rbrooks says — “fair trade agreements”.
          What? Fair to who? Who gets to decide what is fair? A panel of securely employed and Crony Capitalist funded bureaucrats?
          There is only one “fair trade aggrement” and that is Free Trade, absent Government coercion and favoritism to their Crony Capitalists.

          rbrooks says — “put america and americans first”.
          If you are truly interested in doing that, then you will work to butt Government out of our Marketplaces, so that people can trade with whoever they want to trade with — without a meddlesome third party getting in the way.

          http://library.mises.org/books/Kel%20Kelly/The%20Case%20for%20Legalizing%20Capitalism.pdf

          • rbrooks

            let them eat cake, eh.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            To the contrary, rbrooks. It is you Progressive meddlers who have impoverished countries throughout history.

          • rbrooks

            lol. still trying to sell that. to be expected from one who is a disciple of rand and carlyle.

            were you planning on being one of the slaves? or one of those piled on the dung heap.

            or do you see yourself as the master of the new plantation.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You can laugh all you want, Flashman, but anybody with half-a-brain can figure out from past Socialism failures and from current conditions that Socialism is a non-productive ideology which can only exist by riding parasitically on the backs of Capitalists.

            Anybody who honestly wants to investigate can start here with this ranking of countries by their Economic Freedom, i.e. the amount of Freedom from Socialism. It doesn’t take a great deal of investigation to find that As Government Grows, The Economy Slows.
            http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking

          • rbrooks

            heritage? lol. did you actually read the list of country’s?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Ad hominem? Is that the best you can muster, Flashman?
            Are we back to that old tired accusation that I don’t read my own articles? I would have thought you could come up with some newer material after my long hiatus, Flashman.

          • rbrooks

            you were gone. never noticed.

            does that mean you didn’t read the list.

            hong kong, singapore, switzerland and canada.

            free from socialism?

            well, you are humorous.

            btw- asking if had read the article does not fit the definition of ad hominem. there was no attack or argument, it was a simple question.

            considering you and heritage are claiming canada is free from socialism.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Sure you noticed, Flashman. I was the one who regularly exposed you for the fraud that you are.
            I never said that any of the countries were free from Socialism, Flashman. You are, as usual, putting words in my mouth.
            What I said is that the list demonstrates that the more Government butts into the economy, the worse their economy gets.
            Do you have a reading disability, Flashman, or are you just being your usual Trollish self?

          • rbrooks

            the disability is all yours. several times over.

            >Anybody who honestly wants to investigate can start here with this
            ranking of countries by their Economic Freedom, i.e. the amount of
            Freedom from Socialism.<

            then you provide a heritage link as proof. that link lists canada & switzerland as having less socialism, less govt. involvement or interference, than the u.s.

            they are both ranked above the u.s.

            hilarious, davey, simply hilarious.

            all you have exposed is your ongoing ignorance.

            you will want to remove this post as well.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            What is hilarious, Flashman, is your lame posts. Do you really think you fool anybody other than your fellow shills?

          • rbrooks

            it would not be difficult to fool one as foolish as you.

            but you do a great job all by your self.

            canada has less socialism than the u.s.

            that is really funny stuff.

            but you can probably sell that to a few of the posters here.

            going to be tougher to sell your support of the 2nd from now on.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Feel free to prove otherwise, Flashman.

            Fraser institute also puts Canada ahead of the US in Economic Freedom:
            http://www.freetheworld.com/

          • rbrooks

            you mean you support the socialized health care system & the tax rates in canada. lol.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Did I say that, Flashman? I don’t support anything that doesn’t involve voluntary transactions among people.

          • rbrooks

            yet you give canada as an example of a country that has less socialism. less govt. lol.

          • rbrooks

            yet you give canada as an example of a country that has less socialism. less govt. lol.

      • WTS/JAY

        wandamurline: One viable solution would be to change the size of this enormous government….take it back to Constitutional provisions….that would becutting about 2/3rds of the government…

        Of course, that would mean re-habilitating 2/3 of predatory-psychopaths before they could be allowed re-entry into society. We would need to seriously take into account the safety of the American-citizens!

    • John Cherish

      It is our problem not Bob’s alone yes he points these things out and yes they are obvious, Yet it is we the people who must correct the situation some of that correction will involve the removal of office of incompetent and self gratifying politicians, Obama is one of those and so is Speaker of the House John Boehner and there are many others who must go. Until Americans really get involved in their government we will get the bottom of the barrel type of politicians. It is up to us the citizen to vet them and to rate their job performance and to get rid of the dead wood where necessary. We can not sit back and shirk this responsibility. The people of Egypt got rid of their dead wood this way and marched until the military ousted their president we need the same here in this country. I think most are afraid to get out and protest, I think many are afraid or just plain lazy and want someone else to to the dirty work for them. Listen up conservatives, You can not sit back and let someone else do the work for you this is what we got by letting the “someone else” to do the work. We got what we deserved a corrupt government in Washington DC and in Places like Detroit and Chicago we got the depressing example of what socialism will look like large scale if we sit back the whole country will look like Detroit. The time for action is now

      • Bill

        Good comments, John

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        It isn’t just a matter of removing politicians every 2 or 4 or 6 years. No Politician or group of politicians can manage an economy effectively. If they could, they’d be running their own businesses instead of pulling Government salaries.
        We need to get Government out of our Marketplaces so the real producers can do what they do best — please customers.
        We need to take away the artificial props that Government gives to Political Entrepreneurs to protect them from the Market Entrepreneurs:
        http://mises.org/daily/2317

        • John Cherish

          Politicians fight like hell to get into office, Its not the salaries they seek it is the power, It is not all about money it is the power they will get and the corruption they will propagate.They want the pay backs and kick backs the favors from corporate America and rich bankers the hidden salary perks are far more than what they receive in salary. In short politicians are for sale to the highest bidder and are more comparable to prostitutes than to honorable men and women

          • Vigilant

            “Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession.
            I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first.”

            Ronald Reagan

          • momo

            Yeah, only you enjoy the first much more than the second.

          • JeffH

            What?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Ladies of the night.

          • JeffH

            I understood that part. I just didn’t understand why momo directed that at Vigilant…a little tongue in cheek I suppose.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Vigilant’s quote said — “second oldest profession”.
            Prostitution — the oldest profession.

          • Vigilant

            …and with the politicians they just keep taking your money without rendering a service.

          • WTS/JAY

            I think momo prefers the second.

          • Dave

            Reagan sure proved that didn’t he? Got us even more hooked on foreign oil (money), tripled our national debt and expanded the national debt… Oh and he also negotiated with terrorists and made money from selling arms to them.
            Some hero of the conservatives

          • Vigilant

            US dependence on foreign oil:
            Reagan: 43.6%
            Obama: 66.2%
            National debt as % of GDP:
            Reagan: 52.6%
            Obama: >100%

            Got an answer for that, smartass?

          • Dave

            Yes,

            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-abrams/there-is-a-villain-in-our_b_123478.html

            There is your boy Reagan’s legacy

            Now for the debt:

            President Obama contributed the most to the debt, with cumulative deficits totaling $5.073 trillion in just four years. Obama’s budgets included the economic stimulus package,

            which added $787 billion by***** cutting taxes, extending unemployment benefits, and funding job-creating public works projects******. The Obama tax cuts added $858 billion to the debt over two years.****** Obama’s budget included increased defense spending to around $800 billion a year.

            ***** Federal income was down, thanks to lower tax receipts from the 2008 financial crisis.*****

            Both Presidents Bush and Obama ****had to contend with higher mandatory mandatory spending for Social Security and Medicare*****. He also sponsored the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, which was designed to reduce the debt by $143 billion over 10 years. However, these savings didn’t show up until the later years.

            What this translates too is that there isn’t much “spending” comes from any new policy put forth by Obama. These are less tax reciepts from the recession, the continuation of the wars Bush started and the tax cuts that Obama put in place to jumpstart the economy and existing boneheaded Bush tax cuts while two wars were raging.

            President Reagan added $1.412 trillion to the debt during his two terms. He fought the 1982 recession by cutting the top income tax rate from 70% to 28%, and the corporate rate from 48% to 34%. He also increased government spending by 2.5% a year. This included a 35% increase in the defense budget, and an expansion of Medicare. Although $1.412 trillion doesn’t sound like a lot, compared to 2012 debt levels, ******in fact Reagan’s economic policies tripled the debt during his Presidency.*****

            http://useconomy.about.com/od/usdebtanddeficit/p/US-Debt-by-President.htm
            It wasn’t until Ronald Reagan’s deficit spending that our debt skyrocketed. Bush 1 and Bush 2 continued the Reagan tradition and Obama had the worst recession since the depression and two wars dumped in his lap.
            Your turn… Oh conservative one….

          • Vigilant

            US dependence on foreign oil:
            Reagan: 43.6%
            Obama: 66.2%
            National debt as % of GDP:
            Reagan: 52.6%
            Obama: >100%

            If you had any reading comprehension whatsoever, you’d see that your article confirms what I said, i.e., “President Obama contributed the most to the debt, with cumulative deficits totaling $5.073 trillion in just four years.”

            And what happened to your “Got us even more hooked on foreign oil (money)” comment?

            Of course, you leftist idiots forget that Reagan’s economic policies ushered in the longest sustained period of prosperity in US history.

            Median household income is down, poverty is up and getting worse. Yeah, the Great Obama and his socialist buddies have really done a great job.

          • Dave

            And you rightist idiots forgot that Reagan loosened credit regulations to mask the downward trend in middle class and poor buying power by making it easier to gain credit cards to hang yourself with. Those chickens came home to roost in 2007

            And if you had any reading comprehension whatsoever you would look into the details of the 5T dollars… 2 wars, the greatest recession since the depression which translates into less tax receipts and more service money outlays… then there was the continuing Bush tax cuts during the wars. Most of that was not Obama’s doing. Reagan cut taxes while increased spending and the size of the Fed Gov. He laid the groundwork for the collapse of 2007.

            Oil, read the article…. Carter wanted us to be energy independent and move towards clean energy. Reagan stopped all that and jumped in bed with big oil. Real smart.

          • Vigilant

            US dependence on foreign oil:
            Reagan: 43.6%
            Obama: 66.2%
            National debt as % of GDP:
            Reagan: 52.6%
            Obama: >100%

            NOTHING you said changes the FACTS of history, as shown above. Mince it, slice & dice it, rationalize all you want, YOU can’t change the statistics shown.

      • Brian

        The problem is I do not have time to protest be course I am buses trying to keep my job where the profession have pp that are on food stamps to do it for them

      • CintiCB

        I must admit, I kind of feel like I’m one of these ‘roadside sitters’, which is NOT my character. I even hesitate to sign petitions. I don’t want our ‘revenge’ president to ‘get even’ with me (or my family).
        Him telling his ‘voters’ to get their revenge (toward the end of his campaign) shows the level on which he thinks his ‘voters’ are-uncivilized and barbaric!!!

    • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear rbrooks,

      You write: “then offer no viable solutions.” I offer solutions all the time. It’s not my fault you’re not intelligent enough to see them.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • rbrooks

        yes bob. you offer solutions. solutions for bob.

        your rant was about solutions, or the lack of, for an entire country.

        there is not a significant difference between you and the other politicians.

        you point out obama is just as worthless as little bush. not a revelation. tho most of your faithful did not catch it.

        you offer no more than the politicians you rant about.

        you just want to change who is getting the money. and include yourself in those who no longer have to pay in.

        you are not offering viable solutions. neither was obama.

        • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

          Dear rbrooks,

          Are you a fool, or do you just pretend to be one here?

          Best wishes,
          Bob

          • rbrooks

            i am forced to work at the new low level of the author(s) and the majority of the posters. it is difficult.

            play ground taunts seem to work best here.

            a few, a very few, have made it to the sophomoric level.

            using a label is much easier than giving a factual, reasonable or even an opinionated response.

          • Vigilant

            “a few, a very few, have made it to the sophomoric level.”

            Why that’s quite a compliment! Best look up the word in the dictionary before you use it.

            I would call you more sophomoric than most, and that’s no compliment.

          • JeffH

            I’m sure that depends on how rbrooks earns his wages…trolling and shilling comes to mind.

          • WTS/JAY

            I don’t think he’s pretending!

        • Vigilant

          “you are not offering viable solutions. neither was obama.”

          Only the blissfully ignorant, insidiously mendacious or those with no proficiency in logic make statements such as that.

          DUH, logic dictates that the money printing needs to stop, that government back off on worthless expenditure of money on corporate cronyism, immediately withdraw from the wealth redistribution business and cease throwing roadblocks in the way of small business formation. In other words, just the opposite of what the government has been doing.

          Viable solutions have been offered MANY times on this site, by Mr. Livingston and others, and if you require a restatement of those solutions EVERY time an article is written, then a box of rocks would do better than you on an IQ test.

        • Vigilant

          “you are not offering viable solutions. neither was obama.”

          Only the blissfully ignorant, insidiously mendacious or those with no proficiency in logic make statements such as that.

          DUH, logic dictates that the money printing needs to stop, that government back off on worthless expenditure of money on corporate cronyism, immediately withdraw from the wealth redistribution business and cease throwing roadblocks in the way of small business formation. In other words, just the opposite of what the government has been doing.

          Viable solutions have been offered MANY times on this site, by Mr. Livingston and others, and if you require a restatement of those solutions EVERY time an article is written, then a box of rocks would do better than you on an IQ test.

        • CintiCB

          You got ONE thing right-‘neither w[h]as Obama’

      • CintiCB

        Well, Omuslim can absolutely, count on on his vote!!!

      • Dave

        Any that are reality based? You do a lot of name calling… belittling of Progressives/Liberals even though since 1980, the conservative movement as founded under Ronald Reagan has dominated economic policy.
        You do excel at throwing our red meat to those silly enough to believe everything you say.

        • WTS/JAY

          Dave: You do excel at throwing our red meat to those silly enough to believe everything you say.

          You mean like your Fascist-president does, Dave? Who’s only ability is in creating worthless-legislation? Ever thought of dislodging your cranium out of his rear-end, Dave?

          • Dave

            Give me examples of Obama’s fascism… I really do wish you boys could make up your minds… is Obama a fascist, a communist, a socialst/Marxist… You boys can never get your slander and lies straight.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      The solution was implied — Much Smaller Government.

      • rbrooks

        implied? a fluid and ambiguous term.
        much smaller govt. is a personal definition.

        what are you and bob afraid of?

        don’t imply. state it.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          rbrooks says — “what are you and bob afraid of?”.
          Certainly not your inane comments, rbrooks.

          • rbrooks

            my comments bother you enough that you want bob to remove me from this site.

            your personal definition of liberty & freedom.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Where did I say that, Liar?

          • rbrooks

            short memory eh davey.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            No, Flashy, it’s not. I will wait patiently for you to post evidence to support your lie.

          • rbrooks

            please hold your breath while waiting.

            or just ask bob to remove me, again.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Same old Flashy. Who do you think you fool, fool?

          • Dave

            How small should Gov be DaveH? Its an honest question. Since every other country has Gov intervention in their economies, trade etc… How small should the US Gov be?
            Lay it out for us in your own words.

          • WTS/JAY

            How big should Gov be Dave? Its an honest question. Since every other country has big-Gov intervention in their economies, trade etc… How big should the US Gov be?
            Lay it out for us in your own words.

          • Dave

            Gov should be just big enough to protect its citizens, promote the general welfare (includes making sure Corporations and Unions do not abuse their positions, setting education standards, making sure we have equality under the law, environmental regulations, trade regulations, workers rights and responsibilities, manage HC services to people, mitigating anti-trust issues…. Those are some large ones.

          • Bob666

            Yo Dave,
            Well stated!

          • WTS/JAY

            For a Socialist!

          • Dave

            Go back to school and learn what socialism is… Jay, you are being dumb even for a conservative and that is saying something.

          • WTS/JAY

            Where are the JOBS, Dave? People can’t live on worthless, Big-government regulations!

          • Dave

            Ask the House of Representatives and the Senate (you know, the people that make the laws) that question… BTW, the collpase of late 2007 was brought on by the relaxation of those regulations that conservatives hate so much.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I don’t see how my opinion on Government size would be of any use to you, but I think 1/8th the size they are now would be quite fine.
            Government’s only role should be to protect us from the Force of others, and NOT to protect us from ourselves.

          • Dave

            So even though every other country manipulates its currency, imposes trade regulations/sanctions/tariffs on others… you have not of that.
            So the US market can effectively regulate itself on matters of the environment, HC, worker conditions, credit, the stock market, the price of gold, silver… and on and on…
            Sure thing… lets do it tomorrow. Just tell me where and when this has worked out in the history of mankind please.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            That’s what amounts to correct behavior to you, Dave?
            Because everybody else does it?
            So, you would have discouraged Edison from inventing the lightbulb because no one else had done it before?
            As I’ve told you before, Dave, we have had Free Markets several times in history, but ruthless non-productive men (and women) always seek the easy route on the backs of others, so it is unusual for Free Markets to persist. If that’s the kind of condition you adore, that is your problem, not mine.
            http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/05/beware-the-psychopath-my-son/

            We did have nearly Free Markets in the 1800s. So by your standards, we should have never changed that, since non-Free Markets hadn’t been tried before in that century?
            Your logic is fallacious, Dave. You are reaching because you have no logical rebuts to the concept of Free Markets.

          • Dave

            Not during the industrial age we have not. We are far more engaged with the rest of the world that in the early 1800’s when we were still an agriculture based economy.
            We try to use your theory and countries that have a focused policy on trade, currency manipulation, low wages for workers will make matters worse in this country… (not that you care of course)
            You cannot give me any country in the modern industrial age that your theories have been implemented and have worked. It seems that what you want is a single world currency and single world Gov so we can put your theory to the test… I believe George H Bush called in a NWO.
            if that is what you are after, then at least be honest and say so. If the United States goes to your theory, you really think countries like China and India who’s cultures you have zero clue about will follow suit? Are you that naïve? Wait… of course you are… you are a Mises follower of economics.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Same dumb argument, over and over. The 1800s were well into the “industrial age” and it has nothing to do with anything whether we are in the “industrial age” or the “jet age” or any other age.
            Make up your mind, Dave, you’re flailing. One moment you say Free Markets have never existed, then when I call you on that you say at least not in the “industrial age”. Then you say “We try to use your theory”. You can’t have it both ways, Dave, even if you are a Liberal Progressive.

            But just for argument sake, let’s say you are right (you aren’t) and we’ve never had Free Markets. What we have had is example after example of failed Socialistic countries (USSR, China, Cuba, North Korea) and there is a clear inverse correlation between the percentage of Socialism in a country and their economy. So the system you advocate is a PROVEN failure.
            An intelligent person would seek something better than a proven failure.

          • WTS/JAY

            Poor Dave has no idea what he’s talking about, much less realizes that he contradicts himself with every nonsensical post he manages to type out. You are either debating with a mental patient or a high-school dropout, DaveH. Could be a combination of both, i suspect!

          • Dave

            Jay,
            You are about as useful in this discussion as a ugly cheerleader on the sidelines of a football game. If you need to fall into DaveH’s lap to congratulate him on how well his theory has not worked in the modern world, I am sure you can exchange addresses and you can get together to tell each other how great you both are to each other. DaveH I know would like that.

          • Dave

            Same lies over and over again… I do not advocate a socialist economy, never have never will.
            I have said “free markets” have never existed as you define them in the industrial age and the global economy.
            It is you that has no clue, you are not in business, you are a paid shill for Bob L and Mises and that much is clear. You posted a link to Gov spending recently (as if thast proves your arguement) and spending did not start spiking according to that graph, until we were inflicted by your conservative hero, Ronald Wison Reagan. He made us more addicted to foriegn oil, loosened credit regulations, gave everyone tax cuts while increasing spending and the size of the Fed Gov. He tripled our debt That is the legacy of mordern conservatism as practiced by the actor in chief and big bank puppet, Ronald Reagan.
            But to listen to your employer, Bob L, its all Obama’s, liberals, progressives fault… a conservative has had nothing to do with why our debt is so large. Obama somehow is a weak president on the one hand, and on the other has the supreme authoritarian ability to override the House of Representatives “NO” attitude and record filibusters since 2010 in the Senate.
            I do wish you could make up your minds…
            Mises is a joke when in comes to economics. I live it everyday… you and your heroes only think about your utopia that is not in the realm of realistic possibilities in a country with 300 Million people and the biggest economy in the world.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Dave says — “So the US market can effectively regulate itself on matters of the environment, HC, worker conditions, credit, the stock market, the price of gold, silver”.
            In Free Markets people would trade voluntarily with whoever they chose to trade with. The Government’s only role would be to legislate and litigate to protect people from the Force of others — i.e., trespass on their bodies and property, which would include companies that fraudulently advertised their products.
            There would be no regulations, only laws. Only people who had actually broken the law would be punished. Those people, who have done nobody any harm, wouldn’t have to jump through hoops like trained circus animals.
            Government would be 1/8 the size it is now and people would pocket that 7/8ths of extra money which would amount to about $17,000/year for the average person. That is plenty enough to buy insurance or whatever other ways they would choose to protect themselves.
            The real proof in the pudding would be to give people the choice of Dave’s Big Government or not, and see what the majority of individuals would do voluntarily.
            I know I would opt out.

          • WTS/JAY

            Himself!

  • Adolf Schmidt

    I agree Alondra!! Just gonna add, Obama imposed ” Executive Privilege” when Eric Holder was found in contempt during The Fast and Furious!! Former Ambassador Ann Wagner stated Obama, himself, gave the orders to stand down in Benghazi!

  • TheOriginalDaveH

    Ahh, yes, the next 5-year plan. It worked so well for the USSR. There is no way Government can predict what the needs, desires, and ambitions of 315 million individual people are going to be at any moment in time. Only the pricing mechanism of the Free Market, where people decide voluntarily what deals they will accept or offer, can come close to doing that.
    And unlike private businesses, where they please the customers or perish, the Government has no care of whether you are happy or you aren’t. Of course, I am excluding the Crony Capitalists, who have protection and aid from Government, and thus aren’t so concerned about pleasing their customers.

    • rbrooks

      the free market? lol. your low wage customer needs it to be free.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        LOL. An ignorant Liberal Progressive either speaks about that which he doesn’t understand, or he is one of the takers benefiting from the misery of the masses.
        For those people who would like to learn what Free Markets are all about and why they work:
        http://library.mises.org/books/Kel%20Kelly/The%20Case%20for%20Legalizing%20Capitalism.pdf

        Shed the Propaganda Blinders that have been put on you by self-interested Leaders and their paid misinformers.

        • rbrooks

          by your definition, you are a ignorant liberal progressive.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Speaking of paid misinformers — Heeeeeere’s Flashy.

  • Liberty Lover

    Obama doesn’t give a damn about the mostly white middle class except as a source of foolish, uninformed votes.

    • CintiCB

      He doesn’t truly care about the American blacks (in worse shape, now), either, except when it comes to getting their votes. He knows that they will suck up ANYTHING he says-no matter how ignorant, hypocritical, impossible, etc. Hey taxpayers, it’s partly our fault. For decades, we’ve financed this HUGE population of his ‘certain’ voters!! You know, the well educated/intelligent ‘people’ of this, once great, country. The Muslims aren’t stupid. They saw what the majority of the voting public was, so, they knew that their slave didn’t even know how to speak from his own brain or heart. His speeches are written for him by someone else. EVERYTHING is for effect (‘snow’ the dumbsh_ts), even the people who are seated behind him, during his speeches, are arranged. Hell, they even changed the venue of one of his ‘great’ speeches to a smaller place so they wouldn’t have to show all of the empty seats. I can hear his ‘voters’, now-‘See, he be’s popular + everyone love him. Dere ain’t be’s one empty seat in da whole place and look at all dose whites behind him’ DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUH!!!

  • Bernard Forand

    Senator Elizabeth Warren challenges the centrist democrats on the issues of inequality. Exposing the division within the democrats on the need for addressing the Inequality within our nation.
    Obama concurs with, when he said “ BUT- and here’s the big but- I’m here today to tell you that we’re not there yet” Obama is expanding his comment from his original financial text to illuminate us to the dangers of The Price Of Inequality as the wealthy are doing better while the middle class is degenerating and the roles of the impoverished are escalating.
    Liberal left contend, that with Detroit’s bankruptcy and the degeneration of class mobility is so severe that it is the moral imperative for the democrats to become identified as the champion against austerity’s inequality policies of the republicans, as well as, from some of their own centrist democrats. Stressing that the ever increasing Price Of Inequality will be a crippling cancerous growth that will terminate the American way of life.
    Democrats cohesion on the cultural elements, that once divided the party, is now passé
    Issues on gun reforms, gays rights, and immigration have faded into a cohesive unified democratic comprehension, of the quality it promotes to their progressive beneficial nature. Divisions as late as 1990 on these issues have been laid to rest. Now they will debate how best to advance their progressive beneficial ideologies to serve their constituents, on this disparity of inequality, within the financial income infrastructure.
    Republican party is presently divided. Traditionalist conservatives distancing themselves from their ideologue extremist. Exposing potential fatal flaw for their bid for the 2016 elections. Republican’s continuous austerity policies will be exposed to attack. Resulting in a common ground for the democrats to rally upon. Progression against inequality will be a favorable political discourse, for the emerging candidates and their pursuits to enforce agendas that discredits increasing inequality, will be compatible with the majority of the nations populace. Resentment of the overwhelming abuses of the 1% towards their fellow citizens have been exposed. Austerity through out the world is presently degenerating, in its acceptance, as a viable means of addressing the issues of inequality.
    A rising champion for the middle class consumer and its laborers’, Elizabeth Warren. Former Harvard professor and the architect for a consumer protection agency has won the senior senators seat as a freshman for Massachusetts, in the 2012 elections. Austerity supporters shutter at the mention of her name. Fluent in the jargon of the Wall Street and too big to fail banks. Exposing and illuminating the flaws that presently exist within them.
    Two issues she is addressing; 1] the plight of our college students loans and the enormous debt they shackle our graduates. Elizabeth contends that students loans should be at the same interest rate {0.75%} that the Federal Reserve extends to the bank. She voted against the July bipartisan compromise on the Federal student loan-irritating some of her senior democratic colleagues. Students loans will rank up there as comparable to the what the draft was for our generation.
    2] Reviving the dormant Glass Stegall as an issue, that present senior democrats have been reluctant to review. Demanding we return to the regulations that existed from the F.D.R. administration. Those regulations stopped the cycle of up and down bust of the banking industries. Waterdown of their provisions, by the republicans once again began to show the up down cycle returning, until its total repeal in 1999 which reignited the failures of banks.
    Hillary Clinton / Elizabeth Warren ticket will be a most formidable political contender-ship for the 2016 elections. Unifying a progressive leadership advocating reforms to inequality.
     
     
      

  • Bernard Forand

    Lost jobs stagnate wages for the past 30 to 40years for laborers, lost of homes to 8 million American families, college graduates burden with thousands id no tens of thousands and unable to find employment, land of the improvised expanding to over lap the middle class. Just a few questions that have not been addressed. What ever could have produced such a scenario? Has it ever occurred before? Could it come to occur again? Who is the advocate for such ideologies that can continuously produce this cycle? Fi8rst let us identify the culprit or culprits. The Cause…
    Precisely the results of the price for inequality. Right wing austerity policies have driven the America land of opportunity to the realms of a land of mythology.
    C The Gini Coefficient
    Gini is a measurement that is used to identify, mathematically, the inequality of individual nations. A rating of one {1} is considered perfect inequality, as a rating of zero {0} is perfect equality.
    Nations such as Germany, Norway and Sweden have a Gini of .3 or less.
    South Africa and Latin America have a .5 or above.
    USA’s Gini in 1980 was .4 Presently it is at 4.7. This is according to the U.N.’s data. Rendering the USA in the category of nations such as Iran and Turkey.
    USA’s inequality may be even worse than what the Gini indicates. In the advanced industrial nations, such as may be found in Europe and Scandinavian, their citizens have Universal Education, Universal Health Care from birth to death and large safety nets for securing the laborer’s income security. Where in as the USA, middle class on down have none of these benefits or a small fraction there of. Increasing the insecurity of their citizens in their jobs, homes, education and health.
    Insecurity is manifested and fueled by the inequality factor. Greater the inequality the greater is the demise of that nation’s ability to survive in competition with an advanced industrial opponent. Insecurity will manifest in emotional dysfunctional laborers, quick to rebel. Productivity decreases.
    Simply look around to the various nations and observe. Observe those that had a less or NO recessions and grew say during 2000 and 2013 that would be a good indicator they are doing something better than US… Sweden is but one example where you could start.
    Lets emulate our forefathers of 1773 and gather up the Tea and cast it out unto the waters of political oblivion come 2014.… Be There!

  • Ron r

    Threw me for a minute Bob, almost forgot this is birther HQs.

    • CintiCB

      You, always, ‘down’ the birther. Being the OBVIOUS Einstein that you are, why don’t you coach your intelligent Muslim. Tell him that if he’s going to ‘produce’ something from years ago, that he should use the same things that actually existed at the time. Your con boys’ ‘birth certificate’ was printed in a way that did not even exist, at the time!!! Real genius!!! In case he tries again, advise him to, also, use the kind of paper that was used at the time that his ‘birth certificate’ was (supposedly) issued. Try, also, to convince him that not EVERY single American is as ignorant as his typical ‘voter!!!

    • WTS/JAY

      Threw me for a minute, Ron, almost forgot you’re an idiot!

      • Ron r

        Funny, I always knew you were and idiot . You’re a birther.

  • Bernard Forand

    A vast arena circles Washington’s politics with an atmosphere of carnival energies and a smorgasbord of various agendas, proposals, desires and opportunities. Clowns to intercept and distract the populace from the serious issues of their days. Producing nonexistent scandals or plot to undermine each other, all for the amusement of the audience. Confronting The Price Of Inequality within their lives is not to be mentioned. Distract, evade and deceive the audiences, that all is just fine, with the world, sit back and enjoy.
    President Obama can be heard in the distance slightly above the din of noisy distractions. Crying out to the adults within these audiences to take care. Warning of pending storms a coming, to rain on the Foxy Pied Pipers parades.
    Rolling rumbling thundering reality of globalization, arc’s of lightning technological change and in this confusion the audience’s adult pockets are being picked to satisfy the desires, of a few, of the corrupted villains, lurking in the shadows.
    Foreboding words are warning of this Washington carnival. Obama declares; “Washington has taken its eyes of the ball” further addressing the audience “and I am here to say this needs to stop”!
    Once upon a time “America The Land Of Opportunity” rang through out the world has been replaced with the “Myth Of America”! Education constantly eroding under the various republican storms leaving in its aftermath stifling heated humid fungus infecting “Inequality” Over a century of constant erosion has delivered US to the edge of desolation row, the worlds darken back alleys, where pickpocketer’s refine their trade. Paying their protective masters a large portion of their illicit gains, with no returns to the victims other than to have lightened their load of wealth from them.
    Once again the ring master calls out the Foxy Pied Piper to lead the parade under these gathering stormy clouds. Festival enticingly the audience to forget all about your cares and woes. Who wants to build roads, power grids, schools, health centers, retirement packages, universal education for the children, and so on and so on. These are so boringly of reality. Now listen to the enchanting melodies of the Foxy Pied Pipers tune’s of A La Propaganda. Everything is all right just sit back and relax.
    Master of ceremonies proudly shouts we will decrease your sovereignties laws, shackling you from enjoying our carnivals. Why pay them when you can spend here and enjoy? Come one come all. The show is about to begin. Today’s show will be the “Magic of Aristocratic Benefits” across the fairway we have the sacred hall of Kings, Emperors and their puppet show of their dictators waltz.
    Price you may ask? Fear not put on credit and we will collect it at a later time with a slight interest charge of 400% . Out of work? Don’t worry we can surely come to some arrangements for your desolation. Come work for us. We have accommodations for your picking down on desolation row. Where the ever increasing populace whistles their tunes of “ Lord don’t call me, for I owe my soul to the companies store”!
     
     
     
      
     
      

  • nobaloneyhere

    This comes as no surprise to me. Obama has hated the United States for as long as he’s been able to do so. His “transformation” of America is nearing completion. He wants to turn us into a fifth-rate country. Read his books. He’s been anti-American since he was a teenager.

    • NickCzudy

      NoBaloney. and Mr. Livingston. You are both full of baloney. Where did you pull the comment that Obama hates the US? Did you pull that out of your a$$? This is a GOP mantra that by saying it enough, the right wing base eats it up. The rest of Americans are not blind. The effort that Obama has put into his agenda shows exactly how much he cares for the USA and Americans. Why do the GOP and RIght Wing Bubble people keep spouting ridiculous lies?

      The GOP are responsible for the current state of affairs and the decline of the middle class. Name one thing that the GOP have done to better the lives of the middle class or to increase their wages. Trickle down economics have been shown to absolutely not work. That is the GOP plan. Make life miserable to the middle class and make them pay more of their money to taxes than the top 1% pay. Their plan is to keep the middle class poor by giving breaks to the wealthy, so that they can move their factories overseas and put their money in Cayman Banks instead of investing it in America.
      Rather then be good sports for losing the last election, they would rather see Americans suffer and the economy fail than to make good policy decisions. Obstruction is all they know. They do not have a single good idea that will help the economy. Their purpose is to make the economy fail and then blame it on Obama. Most Americans are not stupid. They can see this and will never elect republicans again. The current GOP party is a party of fringe lunatics and you are crazy to elect them and think that they will solve our problems.
      You are also crazy to listen to right wing zealots like Mr. Livingston. They have absolutely no intelligent thing to say. How stupid are you to listen to him and eat up his Bull Sh!t?
      best regards
      Nick Czudy

      • securityman

        nick, you really know where your bread comes from, don’t you? you set back and let obummer and his cronies do everything for you and keep you going with no effort on your part well, I hopew you are still ” doing nothing” when obummerys that it’s time to convert to islam and become a puppet of the muslims. but you will probably just turn around and bend over for your hero and his idiots. all I can say is good luck to you. as for me and mine, we will stay free even if we have to die doing it!!!!!!!!!!!

      • Frank Kahn

        We are all just, still waiting, for a good policy idea to appear, so we can accept it.

      • Eagle525

        Nick Czudy: A word of advice …. read Obamas books. Once you do that you will understand that Obama is an admitted racist, and at a minimum, a muslim sympathizer and a Marxist. These are his admissions made very clear in his writings. As far as the GOP and trickle down economics: Your words parrot the socialist progressive talking points and have presented nothing new. Your need to resort to name calling of those who do not agree with you is typical of a liberal democrat who has run out of intelligent, factual commentary which is indicative of your pathetic state of being; thus making you the perfect poster child for the Democrat Socialist Party (DSP) agenda.

      • Truthful

        Nick, with the nation wrapped up all good what on earth are you doing wasting your time with us right wing zealots???????

      • JeffH

        Oh yes Obama does hate America…why do you think he was the “chosen one” mentored for this job…to take over and fundamentally changethe American dream of a chicken in every pot, a car in ever garage and a house with a white picket fence.

        If you had any doubts that President Obama is a Marxist, you can put them aside. He was what has come to be called “a red diaper baby”, raised, mentored, and steeped in the socialist ideology that calls for a “redistribution of wealth.”

        Needless to say, he did not make much mention of this during the 2008 campaign, but then neither did Hillary Clinton who, along with Slick Willy, subscribes to a similar political agenda.

        Using Saul Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals” as their guide, “progressives” (otherwise known as communists) have, since the 1970s, been boring from within, hiding their anti-American beliefs and allegiances to infiltrate the nation’s universities, its media, and to gain power in its various levels of government.

        The Congressional Progressive Caucus is the largest of the Democrat Party caucuses in the House of Representatives with 83 declared members. Suffice it to say they wield a lot of power. Of the twenty standing committees
        in the House, ten are chaired by members of the CPC.

        They have now hit the jackpot with Barack Obama as President.
        http://factsnotfantasy.blogspot.com/2010/05/does-obama-hate-america.html

        • boyscout

          I am very tire of hearing that Obama is the worst POTUS.
          If anything, he is the worst YET. And this is only possible because of the ground work laid out by previous impostors to the title. Given the nature and extent of Corporatist sponsorship as well as actual control of government I see no way to vote our way out of the quagmire. Expect worse to come.

      • TombstoneLizard

        Nick, ALL of the top-tier leaders are crooks. And yes, even as a Republican, I am pointing fingers back at those in the GOP who tell us that government is good for us, will protect us, allow us to sleep well at night, and be fed three meals a day-as long as we disregard that pesky Constitution. The reality is THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE in our entrenched leaders. Every single one of them has to be tossed, along with the laws and systems that they designed to protect and cover their sorry asses with.

        “If voting made any difference, they wouldn’t let us do it.”~Mark Twain~

  • Diacro

    If only we had the GOP of recent yesterday ___ no 420 fillibuster’s, no moronic 39 votes against Obamacare, no political philosophy from the OLD DEEP SOUTH. Stupid, moronic Reaganomics aka supply side economics. Reasonable small businessmen and women who were part of the local COMMUNITY. Ah yes let’s go back (that’s conservative) to the Good Old Party.

    Phony Scandals? My yes, full of crazed manure. Noise and gas, noise and gas in a cry taken up by FOX fomentor’s of division.

    • Vis Fac

      There is no such thing as “phony Reagonomics”. If that were true I wouldn’t have had a successful engineering firm not had the ability to hire nearly 100 people.
      Reagonomics made it possible to succeed if you didn’t that was YOUR fault. The opportunities were there you just sat back and wanted things to fall into your lap.
      If I wanted to be successful it was incumbent on me to make the necessary moves to do so. Unlike you and others of your ilk, I sacrificed slaved, and mortgaged myself to the hilt. I ate soup worked sometimes 24 hrs. to get a toehold in the business. You on the other hand want things handed to you with little or no effort on your behalf.
      Opportunities were available you failed to avail yourself of them. When was the last time a poor man offered you a job?

      • TG3

        Very well said Force Recon; couldn’t have said it better myself. I was a democrat for over thirty-eight years until I started getting my education and my degrees, and learned how to research for the truth, and not take what someone told me as gospel. Where voters fail us all, and themselves, is they take what someone tells them as the truth without investigating for the facts for themselves with an open mind. The Democrats want us to depend on the government and not ourselves. The Republicans want people to work and earn what they get. If you give a man his fish, he will eat for a season, teach that same man to fish, and he will eat forever.

        Oh, and if anyone wants to know what I now am, well, I’m not Democrat nor Republican. I vote for whomever I believe is the best candidate for the job. If Obama was CEO of a corporation, he would have been fired his first term for failing the stock holders. Anyone who knows corporate business would know that’s the truth.

        • Vis Fac

          I see the lone dissenter is a liberal that wants free stuff and too lazy to earn his keep. I am not a Republican and definitely not DUMBOCRITE but an independent. Each election I scrutinize the candidates and NEVER pay attention to mud slinging ads on TV.

      • Diacro

        Compare the average budget deficit and and National debt increase under Reaganomics, aka dumbo supply-side economics with all the Presidency’s going back to WW2. What happened under the tax cut created deficits’ amounts to huge sums of DEFICIT SPENDING. Something we Republican’s blasted Democrats for when the GOP was a reasoned organization – not the idiocy of “Abolish the IRS”. Boy that is truly assinine.

    • JeffH

      Well, well, well…have “they” sent another troll to shill these pages?
      Imagine that?

      • Diacro

        Oh my you are just so special. Afraid and unaware of the facts. You must be a Jill

        • JeffH

          Afraid of what facts? Your comment changes nothing, especially the glaring fact that you’re still an ignorant liberal/progressive shill and a troll which you are apparently unaware of.

    • CintiCB

      All of you ignorants believe the BS that your Muslim boy spews!!! Can this large amount of people be SOOOOOOO stupid!?! Just listen to your little hypocrite. He addressed these events with all of HIS PHONY promises (+ fake indignation) about how it will not be tolerated and that he’ll get to the bottom of it and take appropriate action. If these scandals were phony, why the big show (of his concern)? I’ll tell ya why-he thinks that we’re all his dumb, ignorant, naive, uninformed dumbsh_t ‘voters’. I am SO SICK of this foreigner telling me how incredibly stupid he thinks I am! I’m, CONSTANTLY, yelling at the TV, ‘WE ARE NOT ALL YOUR DUMB ‘VOTERS’ BUDDY-GO PEDDLE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE!!!’ It’s a very sad state of affairs when ones’ ignorance can be definitely ascertained by the mere fact that they voted for our sitting president!!! Sadly, when these genius’ start feeling the negative effects of the neophyte in the White House, they will by too damn stupid to realize that they did it to themselves! GOD HELP US!!!!!!

  • PatCindyCunningham

    Obama isn’t the one who has it wrong, it is we the people who have it wrong. he said he was going to transform America and guess what? He did! Now, what are we going to do about it. Most was so happy to be part of History electing a little known rookie Politician to be the first Black President. That was a huge mistake but, even worse, we elected him for the second time. Where didn’t people notice he was transforming our Country? I saw it, why didn’t others? 3,000,000 registered Republicans didn’t vote because they didn’t like Romney, so I guess they liked Obama better.

    Now that we got that cold slap of reality out of the way lets deal with how we are going to get him out. That, is the most important thing we can do right now. of course we need control of all Congress. If not we are sunk unless we take to the streets. of course Conservatives don’t like to do that, takes the crease out of there pants I assume.

    We are in big trouble America, already Obama has control of the Pentagon and is subverting our Military. We must win in 2014, if not we may as well go elsewhere unless we are ready to fight. We must take back the Senate and hold the House in order to make Obama answer for his crimes. Right now he says what he wants and does what he wants. The Media is on his side, and we the People are helpless now. Voting can change the equation and we must win in 2014, if not we are sunk.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Pat says — “3,000,000 registered Republicans didn’t vote because they didn’t like Romney, so I guess they liked Obama better”.
      No, they just knew that Romney was Obama-lite, and they saw no sense in rubber-stamping more of the same.

      • PatCindyCunningham

        Your saying that by not voting for Romney, certain Republicans would rather see Obama stay in Office? That is just wrong, wrong on so many counts. They thought they were protesting having no good Conservative to vote for. By there actions Obama won, and by less than 3,000,000 votes. Anyone would have been better than Obama. You are either one of those who didn’t vote or an Obama supporter. Either way you subverted this Country either by your actions or inactions.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          I’m saying, Pat, that as long as you let the Republicans get away with presenting Mercantilist Big Government Loving candidates to you, things will remain the same — ever-growing Government.
          You are the one who has subverted our country, Pat, by allowing the Republicans to continue presenting Big Government Growthers who fly under the radar of ignorant voters who don’t understand that slow growth is just as insidious as fast growth in the long run — maybe even more so — because it is less detectable by ignorant voters.
          http://winteryknight.wordpress.com/2011/05/19/is-mitt-romney-conservative-or-liberal/
          http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/national-affairs/mitt-romneys-biggest-flip-flops-20120801
          http://personalliberty.com/2012/08/27/is-mitt-fit/

          • PatCindyCunningham

            You are crazy. By not voting, it allowed Obama back another term. Do you see what he has done? We are in real trouble and it looking like a Civil War may be the outcome. By not voting for Romney you kept a tyrant in Office. Romney would have been a decent president. Then would be the time to make Conservatives better, not while a Dictator is in our midst. Any Republicans who stayed home last election has blood on there hands. Maybe not now, but soon.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Just like the Liberal Progressives, you Neoconservative Progressives must resort to name-calling or other manipulative tactics when you can’t win with logic or facts.

            Pat says — “Romney would have been a decent president. Then would be the time to make Conservatives better, not while a Dictator is in our midst”.
            You know, Pat, I’ve been hearing that tired mantra for 45 years now while the Republicans keep putting in one Government Growther after another and I keep losing more and more of my Freedom.

            You need to read this, Pat, and wake up to reality:
            http://mises.org/books/leftright.pdf

          • TombstoneLizard

            Dave, I certainly agree with you on this one. I did vote for Romney, but the fact is that unless we force massive cuts upon the government without bowing to all the crybabies nursing off of its teats, the piggies are just wearing different name tags. Why the elephant and the donkey represent any of them when they all have their noses in the same taxpayer-funded trough is beyond me. No President of any persuasion can make it better-it’s up to all of us to tear out the rot and corruption by the roots via enforcement of the Constitution, in any manner possible.

          • PatCindyCunningham

            Yes! But, this time we are dealing with something more than a Democrat. Democrats have been replaced by Marxist radicals hell bent on finishing the destruction of America. This became very apparent after George Bush defeated Al Gore in a very close election. The ultra Leftist Liberals came out of the woodwork showing their outrage. Now they even support Communism in this Country, all part of the Liberal banner. Anyone who calls them Conservative, should have realised that immediately, and voted for Romney. Why, voting for an illegal immigrant would have been better than voting for Obama.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            What you are ignorant of, Pat, is that the Republicans have been advocates of Big Government since the 1850s when they were formed. They talk a good show and have you fools convinced otherwise, just as the Democrats have their followers fooled. Lincoln was the first Republican to trample the Constitution, and there have been many since — T. Roosevelt, Herbert Hoover, George Bush Sr., and George Bush Jr., to name a few.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Do some reading, Pat, and wake up to the reality of Leaders feathering their own and their Crony Capitalists’ nests at the rest of our expense. Here’s a good place to start:
            http://mises.org/Books/historyofmoney.pdf

          • PatCindyCunningham

            Hey stupid, I majored in American History. You are the fool! Anarchy is better than the alternative I suppose?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Obviously it was the court historians’ point of view that you were indoctrinated with, Pat.

            Who said anything about Anarchy? But since you bring up that subject, you should read this:
            http://archive.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard81.html

            History major? Surely you don’t think that impresses me?

          • PatCindyCunningham

            One more thing before I say good bye. It would benefit Barack Obama to be as you did and not vote wouldn’t it? I was right the first time. Thanks!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I did vote, Pat, but not for a Progressive — NeoCon or Liberal.

          • JeffH

            You mean there were other choices…some states actually allow voters to write in candidates?
            Pat’s emotions obviously trumped his thought process.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I always have and always will vote for Freedom, i.e. Libertarian.

          • JeffH

            DaveH, never any question about that. I’ve learned that voting for freedom is never a vote wasted…thanks to PLD and people like yourself.

          • PatCindyCunningham

            Your to dumb to be impressed. I keep getting a one more thing. The choice between Obama and Romney was a kin to a Large Grizzly bear being in front of you. On a table is a Gun and a Book, which one would you grab? I know what I would do and I did. You did NOTHING. The biggest vote in American History and you did NOTHING!! Either or, you voted for Barack Obama. I tend to believe the latter. Just another Troll trolling the Conservative websites.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Pat says — “Your to dumb to be impressed”.
            That should be “You’re too dumb… “, Pat.
            I have two 4-year degrees, graduation with honors in both, and an additional year of Computer Science a few years back. Plus 40 years of studying matters political and economical.
            I could beat you in a debate any day of the week, Pat, unless it included name-calling and other manipulative tactics at which you are obviously more well-versed than I am.

            I thought you were going away?

          • TombstoneLizard

            Which version, Pat? I keep hearing about re-writes every day. Just saying…

          • PatCindyCunningham

            Your logic dictates why bother? If the Firemen during 9/11 had stayed out of the twin towers saying why bother, can’t save them anyway. Many People would have died, at least 10 to 20,000 more People. By not voting for Romney, you voted for partial birth abortion and food stamps for the millions of illegals. I think you are just another troll using various tactics to change the subject. You couldn’t be a Conservative, not one who loves this Country and wants only the best for it. Anyone who would not vote knowing Obama was the alternative deserves Obama. If that is name calling then I guess I am, and damn proud of it.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            What have the 9/11 attacks got to do with the price of tea in China, Pat?
            Why in the world do you think Romney would have changed any of that? Name me the last time that Republicans shrank Government.
            More ad hominem attacks and conjectural nonsense.
            Do you have anything real to add to the conversation about Freedom, Pat, or are you just here to troll for the NeoCon Progressives?

          • TG3

            You want logic Dave?

            Well here it is. Unemployment is at an all time high, The Feds are printing paper without anything to back it up(History shows that this only destabilizes a counties economy), More people are on EBT and assistance than any other time in the history of this nation, gas prices are at an all time high and are climbing, wages are rediculouslly below the cost of living at an non survival level, and those who voted for Obama, are beginning to see the truth of his deceit. THIS IS A DICTATOR WHO CONTINUALLY USES EXECUTIVE ORDERS TO GET HIS WAY WITHOUT THE VOTE OF CONGRESS. WAKE UP PEOPLE; BEFORE IT’S TOO LATE!!!!!!!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            See Bob Livingston’s comment above.

          • PatCindyCunningham

            Like a Progressive Liberal Marxist, you have only one thing, name calling, you even got the owner of this website believing in what you say. name calling, name calling. or neo cons. You are nothing but a troll.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I bear no malice towards ignorant people, Pat. But those who are purposely ignorant are quite disgusting to me. Apparently, you are a member of the latter group.

          • PatCindyCunningham

            I would love to see you tell that to my face ass hole but I don’t have time for idiots. I didn’t vote for Romney I voted against Obama. I didn’t learn that in School either. I learned that in Vietnam, and working real hard and paying my debts. I payed my dues a 100 times over again, and then I have to listen to some fool and another fool to boot. Barack Obama is the worst thing ever to happen to America and by extension the World. If America folds the World will be thrown into another Dark Ages on from which it will not survive. We aren’t talking about learning and books. We are talking about the here and the now. Obama is here, in the here and now, Romney is better than Obama. No more talk!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Thanks for showing the readers your true colors, Pat.
            Of course there will be no more talk, because you can’t stand up to logic or facts.

            But those former service people, who haven’t already learned what it’s really all about, should read this so maybe you can prevent your children or grandchildren from being duped into being cannon fodder for some Crony Capitalists’ enrichment:
            http://library.mises.org/books/John%20V%20Denson/A%20Century%20of%20War%20Lincoln,%20Wilson%20and%20Roosevelt.pdf

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear PatCindyCunningham,

            You write: “Like a Progressive Liberal Marxist, you have only one thing, name calling…” If you believe original dave is a “Progressive Liberal Marxist” you need to re-examine the definitions of the words.

            You write: “you even got the owner of this website believing in what you say.” Dave and I arrived at our conclusions separately and it may surprise you to hear we do not agree 100 percent on every issue.

            You write: “name calling, name calling. or neo cons. You are nothing but a troll.” Nonsensical prattle with an ad hominem thrown in.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • PatCindyCunningham

            You are no better than Barack Obama and the People who does his bidding.

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston
          • Nadzieja Batki

            Are you speaking about yourself, Troll.

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear PatCindyCunningham,

            You are trapped in the false left/right paradigm. But you are in the right place to continue your education and learn a better way.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • PatCindyCunningham

            I am not trapped in nothing. If you think allowing Barack Obama another term is good for America you are as bad as the original dave. For one thing countless Babies have died because of that vote. I can’t believe you think Mitt Romney is no better than Barack Obama. If that is true I don’t want to even talk with you. We had some bad Generals during WWII but, no one came home because of it. That is what you ask for.by turning your back on America and allowing Barack Obama another term. Shame on you. Your the one who needs an education and the sooner the better.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            He didn’t say that, Pat. He’s saying that if you’d take off your blinders instead of being a knee-jerk NeoCon Progressive Follower, you might learn what is really going on. The Leaders (both Republican and Democrat) and their Crony Capitalists are making fools of you zealots.

            Here’s another book you should read in your journey to enlightenment if you so choose:
            http://www.amazon.com/The-Big-Ripoff-Business-Government/dp/0471789070

            Or, you can remain ignorant, in which case Government will continue on its merry way to our subjugation.

          • PatCindyCunningham

            What’s to talk about? I had the choice between Obama or Romney. I have Grandchildren and my Son is Pastor to a very large Christian Church. So, I being a good American I made a choice. DUH! I didn’t bury my head in the sand and stay home, I voted for my Grandchildrens well being. You, just didn’t care!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            To the contrary, Pat, it is you and your kind who have doomed your children and grandchildren to a bleak future of serfdom by being purposely ignorant. On this board, Bob gives you a chance to learn what you haven’t in the Propaganda schools, and instead of being thankful for the opportunity, you come on here with guns blazing like the NeoConservative Progressive fool that you are.

          • PatCindyCunningham

            You are not worth talking with. As they say on Fox News, let them decide. The People who read this blog post can make up there own minds.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            So apparently you are saying that God doesn’t care about your Son or the grandchildren in this land. Go and reread your Bible again, because there were a people who pulled that complaint against God and ended up wandering for 40 years on a trip that should have only taken about 11 days.

            I am suspicious of your emotional outburst and in what you would choose for President. Omites chose O for that selfsame reason as you choose Presidents,.

          • Dave

            Pat, DaveH cares… he cares about himself… John Meyer’s return on investment in gold… Bob Livingston’s sales… Mises sales….
            Just not about society or the United States of America.

          • PatCindyCunningham

            Thank you and I noticed that too! When ever a Liberal or what ever you want to call them, gets painted into a corner they start grading your grammar. Yes, when I am in a heated discussion with my fingers I make mistakes. I am 63 years old and War and hard work will do that to you. I guess you have to partake to really see what some, or a group of, really is. For People to think I am odd for voting against Barack Obama can only tell me one thing, they are, for him. That in itself, gives me absolutely no reason to talk to them anymore. I consider them my enemy and the enemy of my Country. Have a good day!

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear PatCindyCunningham,

            You write: “I am not trapped in nothing.” Double negative.

            You write: ” If you think allowing Barack Obama another term is good for America you are as bad as the original dave.” straw man

            You write: “We had some bad Generals during WWII but, no one came home because of it” Non sequitur.

            You write: “That is what you ask for.by turning your back on America and allowing Barack Obama another term.” If then fallacy.

            You write: “Shame on you. Your the one who needs an education and the sooner the better.” Argument to ridicule. Ad hominem.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • Nadzieja Batki

            PatCindy Cunningham is out for TODH’s blood. Ignore the TWIT. She is not a Conservative or Libertarian or Republican.

          • PatCindyCunningham

            You Sir are an Elitist Bor, enjoy your Libertarian vues.

          • jmprint

            So if the Pope doesn’t think he his has the right to judge, what makes you think you do? Are you above God?

          • Nadzieja Batki

            So now you are the type of Republican who is going into a panic mode because you didn’t get the President you wanted. How are you any different than the Worshippers of O who got the man they wanted?

          • jmprint

            So you think Romney would do better, when he sends American jobs overseas! They are the ones selling off America to other countries.

          • PatCindyCunningham

            Rolling Stone? Now I know you are nothing but a troll.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            More name-calling. Is that all you have, Pat?
            Tell the readers how it is that 36 years worth of Republican Presidents since 1950 have left us with 60% Bigger Government?
            Without the framework provided by that 60% growth in Government, Obama would have had a much tougher time of it.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            How do we know you are not a TROLL trying to create dissension on this site?

          • boyscout

            Troll? Any one who doesn’t scan both sides of an issue is a fool. Imagine stepping into the ring not knowing that your opponent usually follows three jabs with a cross. Albeit name calling and ad hominims are commonplace here, it really doesn’t help your credibility.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            More ignorance from Pat. Do you have any evidence that refutes anything in the article, Pat, or is an ad hominem attack on Rolling Stone all you have?

        • Nadzieja Batki

          I am curious how you came to this site and why? Who did you vote for and why? I am thinking that you helped “elect” O by putting your hopes behind the human vegetables like Palin, Bachman, Romney.

          • PatCindyCunningham

            I am a Conservative not a Republican if that helps. Why did I come to this site? Well your guess is as good as mine. Somehow voting for Sarah Palin is a vote for barack Obama, I am clearly perplexed. it seems the Libertarians who frequent this site are under the strang ideal that People need a Civic Lesson when all we need is to rid ourselves of the tyrant barack Obama. If that is how you you console yourself for not voting or for voting for someone who doesn’t have a chance is about as bad as it gets. This election wasn’t Clinton against Dole, where ideologies were not going to cost our Country. It was Obama against a very Moderate Romney. Obama being the worst President and the most dangerous in the History of the United States. You People want to give a Civic lesson on Neo Cons. You are no better than the Communist Progressives now in Office. In fact, I believe you are one and the same.

      • BigGeezer

        Romney would be obama lite… yea. We’d have people back to work. The economy would be taking off. Gas prices would be much lower. obama’s recent scandals would have produced true investigations … we may not have been able to save the 4 Americans who served us in Benghazi but at least we’d be on our way to justice and their families might be able to find some sort of closure. dave you are really clueless!

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Geezer, you are just hoping and dreaming like the Liberal Progressives do.

          • BigGeezer

            I’d put my trust in an lifelong honest man like Romney… unlike your empty theory.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Romney was honest only to those gullible enough to believe that a guy who promoted RomneyCare would oppose ObamaCare once in office.
            For Individual Liberty, Personal Responsibility, Free Markets, Limited Government, and the PEACE that comes from not trying to cram everybody into the same size solutions — Vote Libertarian!
            http://www.lp.org/platform

          • BigGeezer

            world of difference between states rights and federal mandates… bone up on the fact we live in a constitutional republic… I’ll take an honest man like Romney anyday.

          • WTS/JAY

            Constitutional-Rebuplic? In the abstract perhaps, but certainly not in practice!

          • BigGeezer

            so what is your point … we give in to obama and his elitist thugs…

          • WTS/JAY

            Of course not, Big! Keep in mind, obama’s elitist thugs were bush’s elitist thugs. The same elitist thugs who have been running our country, and picking our presidents for decades…that’s my point!

          • boyscout

            HA HA HAH. Good one.

        • WTS/JAY

          BigGeezer: Romney would be obama lite… yea. We’d have people back to work. The economy would be taking off. Gas prices would be much lower. obama’s recent scandals would have produced true investigations …

          That would have required Romney going up against the establishment…if Obama couldn’t, didn’t, doesn’t, what makes you think Romney would have fared any better? Romney didn’t loose because Romney was GOP and didn’t get enough votes. Romney lost because you can’t get enough mileage out of “whitey” these days; and for that reason, now Presidents come in black.

          • BigGeezer

            if Obama couldn’t, didn’t, doesn’t, what makes you think Romney would have fared any better? …

            mainly because obama is an anti-American POS… nothing like Romney who has been an innovator, executive and God loving American all of his life.

        • Nadzieja Batki

          No, America would have gone back to sleep like it has done for more than 150 years since all our troubles have come on incrementally. Now the jolt of O has fully wakened us that the human predators are about.

        • Diacro

          Have ANY of the phony scandal’s been proved – to the satisfaction of a court or full congress investigation?

          NO, not to the satisfaction of FOX fomentors.

      • Eagle525

        Dave H: Congratulation’s for having mastered the art of convoluted logic.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Eagle,
          Congratulations for having mastered the art of ad hominem attack.

      • WTS/JAY

        Not only that, but they knew that the novelty of having a black-president in office would keep the slumbering-dolts happily distracted for another 4 years…”weee, we got ourselves a black-president, yeah baby!!!”

    • JeffH

      Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
      – Albert Einstein

    • Betta

      I don’t believe he was re-elected at all. I believe he was “selected”. With all the reports of voter fraud it should have been considered null and void. One lady just got convicted and sentenced to 5 years for her voter fraud. She said she voted multiple times. I read the other day that a Barry Soetero is a registered voter living at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave Washington, DC. Imagine that. Looks like there’s voter fraud also going on right in the white house

    • jmprint

      “if not we may as well go elsewhere” be my guest.

  • TombstoneLizard

    Re: Lori Al Bohi:

    She, like so many of the “anti-rich,” think that more taxes should be paid to a government that rewards itself no matter how many jobs are lost in the private sector, or lost serving the military to protect “American interests” (code for “No matter what private sector forces are at work, the government still gets a cut!”)

    We’d all get rich if we could cut the government structure to the bone, as well it should be. It’s government, not the wealthy, that constantly misuse and drain taxpayer’s funds; then they believe they have a duty to drain even more. Taxing the rich does nothing for folks down the line: Any business which incurs heavy expenses in one area will transfer those costs back to the consumer. So if this lady got her wish, she’d still be broke because everything costs too much.

    CONTROL GOVERNMENT SPENDING: starting with the excessively-priced “road trips” of our elected leaders; to the raises, benefits, and privileges they constantly vote for themselves. The retirement packages, lobby-funded memberships and perks, etc.; it all needs to be brought to a screeching halt.

    Tax reform is a dead idea-there is nothing “fair” about giving up 35% of your dollar to the Fed, then another 15-25% to the State. Increasing taxes on the wealthy doesn’t do squat for the economy if the government spends it as fast as they can on their “pet projects” or worse, “pet constituents.”

    Watch and bookmark this video from 1978. It has some hard truth that needs to be heard every single day until we make things change for the better! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TruCIPy79w8

    • Bill

      Right on, Lizard

    • Betta

      Speaking of excessivey priced “road trips”, did ya see where obama and entourage are going on yet another vacation, to stay in a $7.6 million dollar house? His arrogance smells like rotting meat.

  • Dave

    What has the GOP/Conservatives done for working people again? Oh yeah…. Nothing…

    The GOP led House is the most inefective body in my lifetime and he have a jerk of a majority leader in the Senate and a GOP that has engaged in record filibusters in many cases “just because”

    But of course these people have nothing do the lack of progress on the economy… Its all Obama.
    The bed we have made has been 30 years in the making and both parties are at fault and both parties are responsible for the gridlock. Time to end the GOP/Democrat charade

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Dave says — “What has the GOP/Conservatives done for working people again? Oh yeah…. Nothing”.
      That’s all Government can do for working people in general. Sure, they can give some groups special privileges like they give to their Crony Capitalists and Unionists, but if you want what’s best for all workers, then Government needs to get the flock out of our Marketplaces and let people trade among each other voluntarily.

      Those good folks who would like to learn about Real Capitalism, not the mixture of Socialism and Mercantilism that we have now, should read this and learn how things could be without the Government and all it’s surrounding crumb-grabbers in our way:
      http://library.mises.org/books/Kel%20Kelly/The%20Case%20for%20Legalizing%20Capitalism.pdf

    • WTS/JAY

      Dave: What has the GOP/Conservatives done for working people again? Oh yeah…. Nothing…

      What have the liberal-progressives done for working people again? Oh yeah…. Nothing…

      • Dave

        Consumer protection against preditory credit and lending practices…
        A HC system that forbids being turned down for pre-existing conditions.
        Stopping Walmarts from coming in to areas unless they pay a living wage. Walmart increases dependence on the Gov due to lack of wages and benefits….
        Oops…

        • WTS/JAY

          Big WHOOP! Where are the JOBS? Oops…!

          • Diacro

            The Jobs are under the manure left behind by 420 fillibusters. That’s not in the American way of a United States.

          • WTS/JAY

            Fillibusters? Whatever happened to Executive-orders? (-:

          • Diacro

            Go back to high school. You’re not saying reasonable things.

          • WTS/JAY

            And you need to stop lying, Mr. Diacro.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            JAY, it’s very hilarious request.
            LYING is the Liberals “virtue”.

          • Dave

            psychotic behavior is yours Alondra. Have you seen a figure of Jesus Christ in your soup today and called it an act of god?

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Please keep your nonsensical insane murmur.

          • Dave

            And you please stop drinking… You make less sense than usual.

          • Bob666

            I thought maybe they started a 12 step program in the Pig Pen and she was going through DT’s?

          • WTS/JAY

            Do you ever bother reading your, comments, Dave? Increasing your medication might be in order!

          • WTS/JAY

            Where are the JOBS, Dave??? People need jobs, Dave, not WORTHLESS-REGULATIONS!!!!

          • Dave

            The economy tanked in 2008 because we got rid of those “worthless regulations”

          • michiganminuteman

            Alondra, I certainly had you all wrong, your my kind of patriot.

          • michiganminuteman

            Alondra, I certainly had you all wrong, your my kind of patriot.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Thank you.

          • WTS/JAY

            In 2012, the House passed a budget to save and strengthen Medicare and Social Security and to pay off debt and to grow our economy. It passed 30 bills aimed at growing the economy that are still sitting in the Senate. It also passed four budget process reform bills to strengthen the way we account for taxpayer money. The Senate has done nothing! The Senate has not officially passed a budget in years, and not only is that required by law to do so, it’s the responsible thing to do in such perilous economic times.

          • Matforce

            See the fate of Bill S3816, “Creating American Jobs and Ending Offshoring Act,” 2010; who supported it, who opposed it and what it contained. Here was a bill that would have offered generous tax breaks for USA businesses that hired USA workers (especially veterans), but would have curtailed the gravy train of corporate loopholes, exemptions, itemized deductions, write-offs for “multinationals” who offshore jobs to foreign shores…

          • Dave

            Without Congress, the President is limited in what he can do… as you conservatives are found of saying… we do not live in a dictatorship. I know your conservative president George W Bush said things would be easier if we were.

          • Dave

            Where is the conservatives focus on jobs? No… instead they vote to defund Obamacare 39 times.
            Your side needs to get its collective head of out its collective behind.
            You ask what Liberals are doing for working people and I gave it to you. 3 more things that conservatives have done.

          • WTS/JAY

            boyscout: Where is the conservatives focus on jobs? No… instead they vote to defund Obamacare 39 times.

            Well, at least they were doing something right! Btw, what does Obama-care have to do with creating jobs? If anything, it will hamper job-growth!

            boyscout: Your side needs to get its collective head of out its collective behind.

            Which side is that, Dumbo?

            boyscout: You ask what Liberals are doing for working people and I gave it to you. 3 more things that conservatives have done.

            Insignificant! Besides, none of the items you provided are enforced. Waste of time!

          • Betta

            If things are so great then why is this country circling the drain?

          • WTS/JAY

            Dave: Without Congress, the President is limited in what he can do…

            Are you trying to make funny, Dave? Refresh my memory; how many times has Obama by-passed Congress?

          • Dave

            No, just educate you on economic policy. What econmic policy has Obama go around congress on? Care to name anything?

          • WTS/JAY

            There was never any need for Obama to by-pass Congress on Economic-policies because Obama never had any Economic-policies to begin with. Now, on Foreign-policies, he had plenty, and by-passed Congress on most of them!

          • Dave

            So when are you going to stop lying Jay? I have you 3 things liberals have done for working people to your zero. Then you mention executive orders which then you say Obama did not need any Executive orders..
            You are a really sad and pathetic excuse for a conservative aren’t you?

          • WTS/JAY

            Dave: So when are you going to stop lying Jay? I have you 3 things liberals have done for working people to your zero.

            Again, big WHOOP, Dave! What people need are jobs! What good are the items you provided if people are not working? Where are the JOBS!!!

            Dave: Then you mention executive orders which then you say Obama did not need any Executive orders..

            You need to reread my comments, Dave! What i said was, that, on foreign-policy, Obama has side- stepped Congress on numerous occasions, but when he tries to pass his non-existent economic-policies, he cries “filibuster”.

            Dave: You are a really sad and pathetic excuse for a conservative aren’t you?

            I would seriously consider that question, Dave; were it not for the fact that its coming from you…(-:

          • Dave

            Again, I know you are a conservative so I will explain it again… Liberals have done more for the middle class and poor than conservatives have. I gave you 3 examples… you gave NONE.
            I told you that without Congress enacting legislation, the President cannot do much. You brought up nonsense about executive orders.
            Please read a book on how Gov works, watch the history channel… do something to make you look less sad than you do right now.

          • WTS/JAY

            Where are the JOBS, Dave???

          • WTS/JAY

            Where are the JOBS, Dave???

          • boyscout

            WTS/JAY you kind of caught me off guard with all of this. To what posting of mine do you refer?

          • WTS/JAY

            3rd comment above.

      • Motov

        Umm the second part is inaccurate,….Raised Taxes, and the cost of living, not to mention our debt.
        In other words made the taxpayers burden heavier

  • mary strouth

    I agree with Mr. Meehan and Mr. Cohan 100percent

  • WTS/JAY

    According to The European Union Times, the Russian Finance Minister Tatyana Nesterenko prepared a report about the Eurogroup meeting of the Informal Economic and Financial Affairs Council in Wroclaw, Poland. In it, she said that the EU Finance Minsters were stunned after Timothy Geithner appeared uninvited to the meeting and started yelling at the participants for their bad economic policies in handling the European debt. After asked whether this is the position of his President, Barack Obama, Geithner replied, “OBAMA IS NOT IN CHARGE.”

    The EU Finance Ministers are not the only ones stunned. Those of us who have been following Geithner’s career are stunned too. What does Mrs. Nesterenko mean, that Timothy Geithner really said something true in his life? She must be kidding!

    Seems like some moral transformation happens to Geithner when he crosses the Atlantic. On this side he can’t say anything else but lies. On the other side he tells the truth – both about the EU handling of their debt and about the incompetence and the inability of his Democrat President to handle the highest government position in this nation. There must be something really redeeming about flying over the Big Pond if it can transform a habitual, shameless liar into a fervent prophet of the truth. May be we need to keep Geithner over in Europe longer, and organize for him as many European meetings as we can. This way we may be able to learn lots of truths about the real mess Obama and his cronies have cooked for us this side of the Atlantic.

    We shouldn’t be awfully surprised that Obama is not in charge. It was obvious he collapsed psychologically long ago: when British Petroleum brought tons of oil to the American shores and the highly praised puppet of Soros in the White House couldn’t bear the burden of responsibility to make a single decision to address the situation. We don’t need Geithner to know that at the present America has no President to be worth mentioning. After all, Larry Summers confided to Peter Orszag not long ago that “…we’re really home alone. There’s no adult in charge.” Of course there isn’t.

    I am just a little jealous that Geithner tells the truth only to non-Americans. Come on, Tim, we deserve to hear the truth as much as the Europeans do. We are paying your salary, right?

    http://godfatherpolitics.com/1158/geithner-obama-is-not-in-charge/

  • $20580097

    I am a democrat who voted for obama and I am sick of him and his self serving policies it is time for him to go!

    • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

      Why didn’t you finish your line: “it is time for him to go!”?
      …it is time for him to go to JAIL !!!

      • $20580097

        because I knew you would be out there to help me finish it up Thanks Alondra!

        • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

          Yeah, I guess it my certain UNALIENABLE RIGHTS which is endowed by MY Creator. And one of those Rights is the pursuit of Happiness. I am happy to be useful for you Dada111. Thanks for the priceless opportunity.

          May God bless you and yours.

          P.S. Sorry, I am not sure if you are allergic for God reference. But any way, I hope you will not take it as an insult.

      • michiganminuteman

        Alonddra, I think I my have misunderstood your post. If so, please except my appalogee. (yes I know I an not the worlds best speller)

        • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

          Accepted. No Worries. The “spelling” is more important in the reasoning and logic.
          Peace and Love.

  • Joe Spennato

    Why is he not in prison yet?

    • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

      I guess the RINOs are waiting for the new “PHONY” scandals.

      • michiganminuteman

        Alondra………your ignorance is showing……….you see it’s the Rino’s that are helping insulate obummer with their self serving “go along to get along” attitudes. People like you are the reason we are in this mess? As for the scandals, there are so many now that frankly I can’t keep up with them. Does Fast and Furious, Bengasi, the NSA spying or the IRS issue ring any bells with your obviously limited intellect? Or how about his devisive ploys to drive a big old wedge between the haves and the have not’s, blacks against white’s, legal citizens against illegals and on and on. The thing is, I’m wasting my time trying to explain these concepts to lib’s like you. Your type won’t get it until we are all equally miserable standing in line for bread and toilet paper.

        • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

          So you need more illegal immigrants.
          I was legal one and now I am a PROUD American Citizen.

          Alondra, Proud Naturalized American, Un-Apologetic Christian Bigot, the Tea Party Lover (in any sense), definite Homo“phobe” & Islamo“phobe”, the PC snubber and the Hater of the VOLUNTARY Stupidity and Idiocy

        • NickCzudy

          MIchigan M.Man…. You are the one that is showing his ignorance.
          None of what you mentioned has shown that there was any scandal involved. After months and years of investigations, all of the accusations were proven to be false. ergo, there are no scandals. It was pathetic to watch Rep Daryl Issa, desperately looking for evidence that would justify the Right Wing accusations of scandals. None were found. What was found was the he would not call witnesses that went against his chosen outcome. If the evidence would prove that there was no scandal, then he would not call them to testify, All of these so called scams were slim threads for the GOP to be able to pin after 5 years one solitary but if evidence to use to discredit the Dems. None were found. All were proven to be false.

          The problem with the GOP is that they would have used every effort to win favour and to cheat. They would have had many scandals. They therefore cannot imagine that there is a government that is not corrupt. They have not been able to find a single thing to discredit Obama and his administration.
          So instead of flogging a dead horse with Benghazi, Fast & Furious, IRA, NSA Spuing, Birth certificate, and on and on. How about the GOP actually do something to get the economy going. instead of wasting taxpayers money to try and make out country fail. No wonder you have such a poor opinion of our government.
          Their purpose is not to let you sleep at night. Theirs is to protect our country from our enemies. Their job is to help Americans in disasters when they are struck with calamity from natural causes. Their job is to create an environment that promotes growth, business and jobs, so that all Americans can make a living and get their kids educated and to improve conditions in America.

          Their purpose is not to take over 100 million in bribes from the Health sector, who have abused Americans for decades by charging outrageous fees for their services. Why do you think that the GOP have tried to repeal Obamacare over 38 times? Why do they constantly belly ache over Obamacare,.. Because they and their buddies have made billions over the decades and they do not want to give that up.

          All other democratic and wealthy countries in the world, have a much better, single payer system that gives all of their citizens good and inexpensive healthcare. No one loses their houses and wealth by getting sick.
          The US system is a joke and only a means for a small group of people at the top make a fortune and the rest of us are losing in upward mobility and our life style.

          It is time to get these types of politicians out of government, as they are doing nothing for us.
          The GOP are the ones that are creating the class wars between the haves and the have nots. The main thing is that they have all of you in their back pocket. They screw you with the laws they want to enact, yet they spoon feed you lies and convince you that you will be better for it. You all eat these lies up and keep voting for them into power.
          Just look at all of the GOP run states how they are racing each other to restrict voting for Americans and are making it more difficult to vote. This is worse than many third world countries. USA is supposed to be the leader in this world for democracy and freedom. Texas and North Carolina are doing the opposite. They are taking away freedoms and taking a step back in time when there was corruption and the loss of freedoms.
          Open your eyes and analyze what is happening. Do not listen to those under the Right Wing Bubble with their constant lies. Look at and see the truth. You may be better off for it.

          Warm regards
          Nick Czudy

          • michiganminuteman

            You are so completely blind. As one very wise man said, “no one is so blind as those who will not see”. As for me, I say GO SUCK AN EGG!

        • jmprint

          “equally miserable standing in line for bread and toilet paper.”

          We are not there because we voted for President Obama.

          • michiganminuteman

            Another court jester chimes in.

    • WTS/JAY

      Because, Joe, that would be racist! (-:

    • smilee

      You do not put people in jail in this country (usually) until they have committed a crime and he has not even been charged with one.

  • Ibn Insha

    In his speech Obama said, “This growing inequality, it’s not just morally wrong, it’s bad economics,”

    Where did Obama learn that inequality is morally wrong? Probably in Marxist books. If wealth earned by moral means causes inequality it is not immoral. Should one stop working because his neighbor is earning less than him? And how does he define inequality? It is subjective. Is inequality caused by a few people working hard and smart to get wealthy or by a lot of people being lazy and hoping to get rich by playing lottery.

    Inequality is fact of life. Everybody cannot be equal except under Communism. Under Communism everybody is equally miserable. Warren Buffet earns a million times more than I do but I am doing OK. This inequality does not cause me pain. As a matter of fact inequality helps, specially those who do not have the aptitude or inclination to earn a lot of money, to find a job with those who are wealthy.

    Obama continued to say, “When wealth concentrates at the very top, it can inflate unstable bubbles that threaten the economy.”

    How can wealth concentrated at the very top inflate unstable bubbles? Never heard of a bubble caused by a few people. In order to have a bubble you need a lot of people doing the same stupid thing. Does housing bubble come to mind?

    Our economy is a bubble perpetuated by our insatiable desire for spending both at public sector as well as private sector resulting in lack of savings and devaluation of currency. We have come to the point where our economic bubble has burst and our economy is stagnant if not shrinking. Due to Obama’s anti business policies such as high taxes and unnecessary regulations businesses see an uncertain future and thus are laying off employees or not hiring. The same middle class that Obama supposedly wants to help is being hurt by his policies. The middle class has nobody to thank for this but Obama that they voted into office twice.

    Mr. Obama has his head buried where sun does not shine and it is not sand I am talking about. I am not surprised at what Obama believes in, I am surprised at people who buy his crap and not question his twisted logic.

    • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

      “Do not blame Caesar, BLAME the PEOPLE of Rome who have so enthusiastically acclaimed and adored him and rejoiced in their loss of freedom and danced in his path and given him triumphal processions. BLAME the PEOPLE who hail him when he speaks in the Forum of the new wonderful good society which shall now be Rome’s, INTERPRETED to mean more money, more ease, more security, and more living fatly at the expense of the industrious.” – The quote attributed to Marcus Tullius
      Cicero, (106-43 BC) Roman philosopher and statesman

      “In a REPUBLIC this rule ought to be observed: that the majority SHOULD NOT have the predominant power.” – Marcus Tullius Cicero

    • smilee

      If you understood that inequality of opportunity was not the same as inequality per sae you would have not made all those silly conclusions you made. Obama understands that you appear to ignorant too understand it. We would not need all the welfare for working people that has grew so very large since we shifted most of the profits to a very few beginning in the 80:s rather that paying the employees what they have earned for the company and not having to put them on welfare so they can subsist. That is what it is all about. This inequality with 2% having almost all the wealth creates 2% with almost everything and the other 98% ending up in abject poverty which is were we are headed is bad economics and is immoral. That was his point and you missed and thus this BS from you.

      • BHR

        If you want more out of life quite being the victim. Most people who have money work 80 hours or more a week or started working 2 or 3 jobs when they were young. Learn your job and do it well. Do you ever think about how well the company does or is it all about you.

        • smilee

          All garbage talk and nothing applies to my post so I’ll ignore it all as it is not worth responding to

  • cipriano beltran

    Obama is always wrong in every way and time that he speaks .

  • cipriano beltran

    Obama is always wrong in every way and time that he speaks .

  • Matforce

    Check list of (middle class friendly) accomplishments/proposals below, despite record 425 filibusters from obstructionist, Party of NO, “The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president,” GOP…
    1. Affordable Care Act (availing health insurance to 30 – 40 million USA citizens who cannot afford a private plan.)
    2. $789B economic stimulus package
    3. U.S. auto industry bail out (GM and Chrysler)
    4. Cash for clunkers
    5. Incentives for buyers of hybrid automobiles
    6. Housing rescue plan and incentives for first time home buyers
    7. Credits for purchasers of energy efficient appliances
    8. Equal pay for women
    9. $716B MEDICARE savings over next 10 years to keep program solvent
    10. Lower drug costs for seniors and elimination of donut hole
    11. Ended policy forbidding Medicare from negotiating for cheaper drugs.
    12. Limited lobbyist’s access to the White House
    13. Ended the war in Iraq
    14. Closed secret detention facilities in Eastern Europe and ended renditions
    15. Removed restrictions on embryonic stem-cell and biomedical research
    16. Increased infrastructure spending (roads, bridges, power plants) after years of neglect
    17. Funded high-speed, broadband Internet access to K-12 schools
    18. Expanded the SCHIP program to cover health care for 4 million more children
    19. Expanded Pell grant program and implemented easier loan repayment policy
    20. Phased out the expensive F-22 war plane and other outdated weapons systems
    21. The Guantanamo prison camp is being phased out
    22. Torture banned. U.S. now in compliance with the Geneva Convention
    23. Better body armor provided to our troops
    24. Restarted the nuclear nonproliferation and nuclear inspection talks
    25. Increased pay and benefits for military personnel
    26. Improved housing for military personnel and veterans benefits
    27. Proposed a Veterans Jobs Act (filibustered by the GOP)
    28. Ended no-bid defense contract policy
    29. Closed offshore tax havens (sorry Mitt)
    30. Negotiated deal with Swiss banks to allow US government access to records of tax evaders and criminals
    31. Ended tax benefits to corporations that outsource American jobs
    32. Championed credit card consumer protection legislation
    33. Expanded loans and tax credits to small businesses
    34. Appointed the first Latina to the Supreme Court
    35. Limited salaries of senior White House aides to $100,000
    36. Renewed loan guarantees for Israel
    37. Ordered the raid that killed Osama bin Laden and authorized drone strikes against Al Qaeda targets in Pakistan, Yemen and other countries
    38. Ordered Regulations Review to boost USA business growth (elimination of unnecessary regulations)

    • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

      “Get the facts first, and then you can distort them as you please.” ~ Mark Twain

      Matforce, you did comply with the second part, but where is the First?

      • Matforce

        Witty! Alondra, not that this is a list that contains measures that I believe will bring the USA back to its once glorious status when our middle class consumer market was the envy of the world, but which one of these proposals draws your ire the most?

    • Don in Ohio

      Matforce,
      1. Wrong, Odumbocare isn’t going to help ANYONE.
      2. $789B borrowed from China and what was stimulated?
      3. How much of the GM and Chrysler bailout hasn’t and never will be paid back?
      4. C4C, raised the price of used cars which hurt the poor.
      5. Why should I pay for someone else to buy a hybrid car?
      6. Ditto for houses.
      7. Ditto for appliances.
      8.. Women have had equal pay protection for years, what’s new?
      9. $0 medicare savings.
      10. I’m paying more for drugs.
      11. How much has that helped?
      12. Really?
      13. Really?
      14. If they were secret, how do you know about them?
      15. Only for government funded research, who’s paying for this?
      16. Who’s paying for this, more borrowing from China.
      17. Ditto.
      18. Ditto.
      19. Ditto.
      20. This is an ongoing just like buying a new car every few years.
      21. 5 years after promised.
      22. What torture?
      23. OK, I agree with that one (if it’s actually true.)
      24. We get rid of hundreds and Russia gets rid of tens.
      25. OK, I agree with that one (if it’s actually true.)
      26. Ditto.
      27. EVERYBODY needs a job, not just veterans. If the government got out of the way, businesses would create jobs. The only jobs the gov can create is gov jobs.
      28. Really?

      29. Really?
      30. If we had the FAIRTAX system, there would far less tax cheating.
      31. Ditto.
      32. No one has to have a credit card, so do we need protection from ourselves?
      33. Who’s paying for this?
      34. Yep, WAY FAR LEFT DINGBAT.
      35. I’d like to have a $100,000 salary.
      36. Who going to pay for this?
      37. Bin laden, thanks to Bush; Drones, including children.
      38. This may eliminate a few but will have NO real effect.
      Now for some other things;
      A. Took no action to protect the Benghazi site.
      B. Approved of IRS stonewalling of TEA party applications (not quite proven yet but I’m sure it will be).
      C. NSA spying, maybe this message will be read.
      D. Providing guns to drug dealers, F&F.

      E. Allowing the FED to completely destroy our economy.
      F.. Stonewalling the Keystone pipeline FOR NO REASON other than votes.
      G. Allowing (aiding) the EPA in killing the coal industry.
      H. Lots more but I’m getting tired.

      All in all, a VERY POOR RECORD.
      Don

      • jmprint

        ALL CRAP

        • Don in Ohio

          So tell me why they crap.
          I got twice as many ups as downs.

        • michiganminuteman

          Yes, obummer is ALL CRAP

    • BigGeezer

      thanks for making our point as to the ineptness, and total failure of obama. You really think you’re defending obama by your list of failures… which are also inaccurate as well…

      Limited lobbyist’s access to the White House… he has more bought and sold lobbyists than any other president…

      Limited salaries of senior White House aides to $100,000… just do a little homework… you’re not even close to being accurate.

      And by the way… #25 was proposed by Republican Congress…

      • Matforce

        http://www.ted.com/talks/paddy_ashdown_the_global_power_shift.html

        Geezer, my biggest concern for the USA is the jobs exodus that America, Inc. has perpetrated against the USA worker to garner a larger share for the offshoring corporations. Without a rehashing of the FTAs, tax policies, , micromanagement through regulations, (thanks in large part to ambulance chasing lawyers seeking liability), and the impact of the Unions, l contend that the BIG BAD GOVERNMENT is the ONLY entity that CAN intervene to stave off a total sellout of the USA to a total corporate monopoly where the “trans-nationals” in this relatively new age of “globalism” are calling the shots that benefit only tthe “multinationals.” The following is an excerpt from a NY Times:

        “Finally, the Fed’s easy-money policies have pushed investors into the stock market because bond yields are so low. The yield on the 10-year U.S. Treasury note is still around 2 percent. This has also fueled the bull market.

        All of this spells widening inequality in America. People who invest the most in the stock market have high incomes. Those who rely most on wages have lower incomes.

        Corporate profits are claiming a larger share of national income than at any time in 60 years, while the portion of total income going to employees is near its lowest since 1966.

        As my colleague Emmanuel Saez recently found, all the economic gains between 2009 and 2011 (the last year for which data were available) went to the richest 1 percent of Americans. The bottom 99 percent has continued to lose ground.

        And yet the tax code continues to give preference to capital gains over ordinary income — a major advantage to investors but not to people who rely on paychecks for their living.

        In coming months, the sequestration is likely to make all this worse, since it will slow the U.S. economy and keep unemployment higher than otherwise.

        It’s also hurting the most vulnerable among us — eliminating low-income rental subsidies and emergency homeless shelters, reducing unemployment benefits, squeezing federal aid for poor schools, and cutting nutrition assistance for poor women and infants.

        The health of an economy is not measured by the profits of corporations headquartered within it or the value of its stock market. It depends on how many of the people have jobs, whether those jobs pay decent wages, and what happens to those who don’t have jobs or whose wages don’t lift them out of poverty.

        By this measure, America remains a long way from economic health.

        The role of government, meanwhile, should be to level the playing field so hardworking people have a fair chance.

        Yet not for a century have public policies so blatantly helped the most fortunate among us, so cruelly harmed the least fortunate, and exposed so many average working Americans to such widespread insecurity.”

  • Matforce

    Check list of (middle class friendly) accomplishments/proposals below, despite record 425 filibusters from obstructionist, Party of NO, “The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president,” GOP…
    1. Affordable Care Act (availing health insurance to 30 – 40 million USA citizens who cannot afford a private plan.)
    2. $789B economic stimulus package
    3. U.S. auto industry bail out (GM and Chrysler)
    4. Cash for clunkers
    5. Incentives for buyers of hybrid automobiles
    6. Housing rescue plan and incentives for first time home buyers
    7. Credits for purchasers of energy efficient appliances
    8. Equal pay for women
    9. $716B MEDICARE savings over next 10 years to keep program solvent
    10. Lower drug costs for seniors and elimination of donut hole
    11. Ended policy forbidding Medicare from negotiating for cheaper drugs.
    12. Limited lobbyist’s access to the White House
    13. Ended the war in Iraq
    14. Closed secret detention facilities in Eastern Europe and ended renditions
    15. Removed restrictions on embryonic stem-cell and biomedical research
    16. Increased infrastructure spending (roads, bridges, power plants) after years of neglect
    17. Funded high-speed, broadband Internet access to K-12 schools
    18. Expanded the SCHIP program to cover health care for 4 million more children
    19. Expanded Pell grant program and implemented easier loan repayment policy
    20. Phased out the expensive F-22 war plane and other outdated weapons systems
    21. The Guantanamo prison camp is being phased out
    22. Torture banned. U.S. now in compliance with the Geneva Convention
    23. Better body armor provided to our troops
    24. Restarted the nuclear nonproliferation and nuclear inspection talks
    25. Increased pay and benefits for military personnel
    26. Improved housing for military personnel and veterans benefits
    27. Proposed a Veterans Jobs Act (filibustered by the GOP)
    28. Ended no-bid defense contract policy
    29. Closed offshore tax havens (sorry Mitt)
    30. Negotiated deal with Swiss banks to allow US government access to records of tax evaders and criminals
    31. Ended tax benefits to corporations that outsource American jobs
    32. Championed credit card consumer protection legislation
    33. Expanded loans and tax credits to small businesses
    34. Appointed the first Latina to the Supreme Court
    35. Limited salaries of senior White House aides to $100,000
    36. Renewed loan guarantees for Israel
    37. Ordered the raid that killed Osama bin Laden and authorized drone strikes against Al Qaeda targets in Pakistan, Yemen and other countries
    38. Ordered Regulations Review to boost USA business growth (elimination of unnecessary regulations)

  • BHR

    Obama has no clue how to fix America. The only people who like him are the people getting handouts. Environmentalist like him because he is shutting down American business. Our economy is getting worst. Most people still supporting him have not taken a class on economics and many probably can’t read.
    Obamacare is not going to be free, every one will pay more, even people on welfare will have money deducted from their checks to help pay. Food prices are going up because of all the new taxes and fees. Gasoline is increasing, even the government is saying gas will never be under $5 a gallon. Fewer full time jobs which is happening now.

    • jmprint

      Obviously you missed your economics class. You sound like a parrot repeating GOP rhetoric.

      • BHR

        I did just fine in economics. Are you telling me Obama is doing a good job. Have you even read the healthcare bill, I have. My wife is a manager at one of the largest hospitals on the west coast. Her job for the last 2 years is to cut all costs possible at the hospital. Hospitals are going to be paid less under Obamacare. Most hospitals do not know if they are going to stay open because of Obamacare. So far the hospital my wife works at has layed off 2000 people, just because of Obamacare. Every body has taken a pay cut. The managers have taken the largest pay cuts.
        Unless you have read the healthcare bill, work with it every day and have at Least a masters in business, do not tell me how good Obama is doing. When all the new taxes and fees hiting by 2015 the middle class will be in distress.
        America is bankrupt and on the verge of financial collapse, the economy is getting worst. Who is going to pay for all this healthcare? Big business already pays for most of its people. And Obama gave them a 2 year mandate. The private Individual
        Has no reprieve they have to have insurance by 1,1,2014. Where do you think the money is coming from? Remember 80 percent of all working people work for small business. That’s a lot of families that have to come up with $1200 to $2500 per month.