As Expected, Obama Has It All Wrong

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Barack Obama, the undocumented usurper currently defiling the people’s House, spoke for 67 minutes last Wednesday outlining his latest pivot — the 19th by some counts — to jobs and the economy. He indicated with his policy pronouncements that he intends to perpetuate the current misery through the end of his term, and further destroy the middle class.

Since February 2009, 9.5 million people have dropped out of the workforce. As CNSNews.com reports, that means that 1.3 Americans have dropped out of the workforce for every job the regime claims it has created.

“We’ve created over 7.2 million private sector jobs,” Presidential spokespuppet Jay Carney claimed at a recent press briefing. The regime’s propagandists in the mainstream media didn’t correct Carney on one important point. Government does not create jobs without killing a job or jobs somewhere else.

Government creates nothing but misery and heartache. For to “create” a job, government has to steal money from someone in the private sector — either through inflation (money printing) or taxation — and give it to someone else.

Irrationally exuberant government “stimulus” spending began under George W. Bush’s regime as he sought to “save the free market system” by “abandon[ing] free market principles.” But almost five years and trillions of dollars later, here’s what we have:

  • Almost 90 million Americans not working.
  • 15 million more Americans on food stamps today than in January 2009. That’s two Americans on food stamps for every job “created” by the regime.
  • Almost 11 million Americans receiving disability payments — 1.6 million more than in February 2009.
    American has fallen to No. 27 in middle-class wealth.
  • Real occupational wages are down almost 3 percent.
  • Thanks to the threat of Obamacare, most new jobs being “created” are part-time jobs. American is becoming a part-time society.

In his speech, Obama decried the growing inequality between the haves and have-nots.

“This growing inequality, it’s not just morally wrong, it’s bad economics,” he said. “Because when middle-class families have less to spend, guess what? Businesses have fewer consumers. When wealth concentrates at the very top, it can inflate unstable bubbles that threaten the economy. When the rungs on the ladder of opportunity grow farther and farther apart, it undermines the very essence of America, that idea that if you work hard, you can make it here.”

This statement demonstrates either Obama is profoundly ignorant of economic theory or he’s deliberately misrepresenting the business cycle to Americans. But none of his policy proposals — he promised to invest billions of dollars to build new infrastructure, improve education, create jobs programs and increase the minimum wage — have historically done anything to improve the economy. In fact, they have been shown to have deleterious effects. And all require a redistribution of wealth to accomplish.

Americans are already overtaxed. There is no more blood to be squeezed form the turnip. That’s not to say that Obama won’t propose more taxes to “pay” for his new policies.

The government/banker system is wide open, devaluing the dollar with the unlimited printing of money. This is economic war, pure and simple; and Americans don’t seem to care one way or the other.

When the money printers print bales of paper money, the dollars already in circulation become worthless. Anybody should understand this debauching of the currency translates to widespread impoverishment. Those who have now will soon be have-nots. No politician or government bureaucrat will reveal this to the American people.

Money printing is a gangrenous rot on society that steals wealth slowly but surely, as gangrene steals life from the patient. But the Federal Reserve is locked into a policy of quantitative easing to infinity. Any hint that the Fed is going to back off the money printing sends the market into convulsions.

But quantitative easing is as much responsible for the current economic malaise as the stimulus spending.

In his book When the Money Runs Out, Stephen D. King, chief economist of HSBC Holdings, writes:

The benefits of QE have a nasty habit of being channeled to precisely those parts of the economy that are unlikely to respond in a positive way. If, for example, lowering bond yields leads to a rally in stock prices, it will be easier for big, blue-chip companies to raise funds.

Small and medium-sized companies that have little or no access to capital markets and, instead, remain dependent on bank lending, have however derived little or no benefit.

The elected class loves the illusion of wealth created by money printing. A propped-up market is often cited as evidence of a growing economy. But it is merely an illusion, a bubble ripe for bursting.

The elected class loves the illusion of action created by wealth redistribution and “investment” in their pet industries and crony projects.

But neither of these “policies” benefits the middle class. They continue to get squeezed in the vise of taxation and inflation, their wealth pilfered from day by day.

Bob Livingston

founder of Personal Liberty Digest™, is an ultra-conservative American author and editor of The Bob Livingston Letter™, in circulation since 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • Harold Olsen

    This POS Obama lies so much that if he ever said something that I knew to be absolutely true, I still wouldn’t believe him. What a scumbag!

    • chocopot

      As I tell people, the only time this guy tells the truth is by accident.

      • WTS/JAY

        And even that, he’ll blame it on the Republicans!

    • FreedomFighter

      “The elected class loves the illusion of action created by wealth redistribution and “investment” in their pet industries and crony projects.”
      They love it because they are stealing it all from “WE THE PEOPLE” as they pit us against each other in fake racial tension, fake war against women issues, real war – for profit, confuse us with scandal, divide us politically, as they rape the country, steal the assets, deface the currency, ship the jobs elsewhere, and steal whatever else thru banking fraud, and a inflated stock market. In addition, raise the cost of energy thru fake shortage, stoppage of drilling permits and outright theft.
      Obama — liar an chief thief.
      Laus DeoSemper FI

  • Alex

    Alondra—
    I know that I go overboard once in a while, but Jesus Q. Xrist, girl, you need a giant cup of coffee with two heaping spoons of coherence!
    Did you go to school in the South, or wha?

    • BigGeezer

      at least she posts the truth… you alex are a clueless troll…

    • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

      Or wha !!!!

    • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear Alex,

      You write: “Did you go to school in the South…” Thanks for once again revealing your bigotry.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

    • vicki

      Ad Hominem

  • justaskin

    Two classes ahead: The ruling elite and the slaves. No middle man. Is that a dangerous thought to ponder or will history repeat itself? Is the NWO nearer than we think? Are we headed for seriously dangerous times? Are Obama and the Clintons really smugly in control or are we able to rescue America????????????

    • Timothy Sullivan

      And when the elite decides just how many slaves it actually requires to serve them, guess what happens to the excess slave population???

      • IsThisAmerica

        Don’t think I want to know.

      • WTS/JAY

        Soylent Green?

      • WTS/JAY

        Soylent Green?

    • chocopot

      I have been trying to explain the situation to friends and family for four years now. The cabal of uber-wealthy s—bags, headed by George Soros, who placed this POS, Obozo, in office, have a single goal: overseeing the destruction of this country by destroying our economy. They are well on the way to accomplishing that goal since things are already far worse than most people realize. The ultimate goal is a one-world government, ruled by the uber-wealthy for their benefit, with the other 99.999% of the population serving as their slaves in a new form of medieval feudalism.
      People do not seem to realize that freedom has been an alien concept through most of human history, and it is now well on its way to disappearing – possibly forever. The only reason there is anything called freedom on this planet today is because there is a United States of America. And the only reason we are able to do that is because we have the most powerful and amazing military the world has ever seen. Because of our far-flung military bases and our aircraft carriers and our nuclear submarines, we can project our military power (force) to nearly anywhere on the populated surface of the earth in a matter of hours. Thus, there is freedom for us and most others. But that military is funded by the enormous resources provided by our incredible economy, and that economy is now faltering badly. Once the economy is destroyed, which is what Obozo and his handlers have intended all along, the funds for that military will disappear, as will any semblance of what we once called freedom. And we are well on the way there.
      Future generations will curse us for allowing this to happen.

      • KG

        quote: The ultimate goal is a one-world government….

        If you are a Christian, then why are you so upset? I read the end of the book, and guess what? G-d’s going to have one-world government.

        1 Thessalonians 4
        King James Version (KJV)
        16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

        17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

        18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

        We are supposed to comfort each other, not scare ourselves to death. Where does Fear come from?

        • Guest

          Well, I am not a Christian, and I do not believe in any of that crap. What I concern myself with is what sort of country and what sort of world my children and their children will inherit and have to live in and with, and right now it’s not looking so good…

          And if you had half a brain, you would realize that it is your freedom that is going to disappear as well. Unless you are one of George Soros’ buddies… are you?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            KGB obviously believes he is benefiting from Socialism. He is probably a paid-shill or feeding at the trough in some other way. Don’t hold your breath waiting for the truth from him.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Guest says: “I am not a Christian, and I do not believe in any of that crap. What I concern myself with is what sort of country and what sort of world my children and their children will inherit ”

            I am surprise by your “concern” and your uncertainty in “what sort of country and what sort of world YOUR children and their children will inherit”

            I’ll tell you “what sort of country and what sort of world” they will live if you did not figure that out yet.

            “But know this, that in the LAST DAYS PERILOUS TIMES WILL COME: For men will be LOVERS OF THEMSELVES, lovers of money, boasters, PROUD, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, UNTHANKFUL, UNHOLY, unloving, unforgiving, SLANDERERS, WITHOUT SELF-CONTROL (immoral), brutal, DESPISERS OF GOOD, traitors, headstrong, haughty, LOVERS OF PLEASURE RATHER THAN LOVERS OF GOD, having a form of godliness (o’homobama and all his PERVERT and DECADENT guild) but denying its power. And FROM SUCH PEOPLE TURN AWAY (the Holy Scripture warns you, but for you it is a CRAP)! For of this sort are those who creep into households and make captives of gullible women loaded down with sins, led away by various lusts, always learning and NEVER ABLE TO COME TO THE KNOWLEDGE OF the TRUTH.”(2Timothy 3:1-7)

            Congratulation to you, Guest. We already there: in the LAWLESS, CORRUPT, IMMORAL world, which is ruled by Mentally PERVERT, Sexually DEPRAVED “LOVERS OF THEMSELVES” WITHOUT SELF-CONTROL, “lovers of money” and POWER, DESPISERS OF GOOD, traitors, LOVERS OF PLEASURE RATHER THAN LOVERS OF GOD, lazy ignoramus.

            Please keep “do not believe in any of that CRAP”. God granted you with the FREE WILL.

            Good luck in your UNBELIEF, but do not cry for your children present and future.

            Alondra, PROUD Christian

            P.S. I am sorry for disappointment, but your appeal to KG is like to scream into the dark deep hole. He does NOT care in “what sort of country and what sort of world my children and their children will” live. Next time choose someone who would share your worries.

        • chocopot

          Well, I am not a Christian, and I do not believe in any of that crap. What I concern myself with is the country and the world my children and their children are going to inherit from us – and right now it is not looking so good.

          If you had half a brain, you would also be concerned since it is your freedom as well that is gradually disappearing. Unless, of course, you are one of George Soros’ buddies… are you?

          • KG

            I find it amusing that so many non-Christians have Apocalyptic beliefs. Are you denying Christ and what He said?

          • chocopot

            I am a nonreligious person. I deal with reality, not with fantasies from someone’s religion. If you want to believe whatever from your religion, feel free to do so, but do not lay that on me. The reality of what is happening to this country is quite undeniable, regardless of what you would like to believe or have others believe. We are heading down the drain, rapidly, and not by chance – it is all by design. Feel free to bury your head in the sand or to try to convince anyone otherwise. It is what it is, and your denials will not change it.

          • KG

            However, you do have the ‘moral’ objection to organized labor? How can you have ‘morals’ if you don’t believe in G-d?

          • WTS/JAY

            Believing in G-D does not guarantee morality; Satan being the prime example.

          • KG

            Who said Satan doesn’t have morals? I mean Adolph Hitler had morals, Pinochet had morals as well as Stalin. I want to know WHOSE MORALITY?

          • WTS/JAY

            Since you were the one who brought up “morality”, you tell me.

          • KG

            I didn’t bring up ‘morality’ yous guys did. I mean, the whole point of ‘libertarianism’ is not ‘freedom’ but ‘morality’, right?

          • WTS/JAY

            KG: I didn’t bring up ‘morality’ yous guys did.

            KG to chocopot • 36 minutes ago−

            However, you do have the ‘moral’ objection to organized labor? How can you have ‘morals’ if you don’t believe in G-d?

          • KG

            Is that statement not true?

          • WTS/JAY

            No, its not a true statement. Because not all Atheists are devoid of morality; and not all who believe in G-d are moral!

          • KG

            Tell that to you Republican friends!

          • WTS/JAY

            And while i’m doing that, you can do same by telling it to your liberal-progressives!

          • KG

            My friends include lots of people of all persuasions and proclivities. However, if you told a typical Religious Right Wing Republican he would probably try to cast demons out of you.

          • Nadzieja batki

            First sentence a lie and then you keep adding some more lies.

          • KG

            Oh geezes….yer so funnny! ;)

          • WTS/JAY

            KG: My friends include lots of people of all persuasions and proclivities.

            Hmm, i can just imagine.

          • WTS/JAY

            KG: mean, the whole point of ‘libertarianism’ is not ‘freedom’ but ‘morality’, right?

            Is it?

          • Bill

            No

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            No, KGB, the point of Libertarianism is Freedom — Freedom from the Force of Government.
            If you really want to understand what a Libertarian is, you could read this:
            http://library.mises.org/books/Murray%20N%20Rothbard/For%20a%20New%20Liberty%20The%20Libertarian%20Manifesto.pdf

            Or you could just continue being the lying misinformer that we have endured for many months.

          • KG

            I went to mises.org to see if the website still had the little red stripe that said “Proceding ever so boldly against evil.” which dosen’t sound like an economic scientific statement but more like a ‘moral’ challenge. And then I saw this gem in the quote of the day:

            “In relation to the immense sacrifices that the state demands of the individual through the blood tax, it seems rather incidental whether it compensates the soldier more or less abundantly for the loss of time that he suffers from his military-service obligation.”

            — Ludwig von Mises, in Nation, State, and Economy

            So, in other words, these ‘taxpayers’ are more important that the soldiers defending their freedom. WOW and you still think Von Misies is NOT a fascist?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Where did you learn to read, KGB? Public School?
            “Blood tax” = that blood which the soldier sheds while doing his job.

            In other words, there is no greater slavery than to compel somebody to give up their life or limbs.

            You can read the quote in context here (page 197):
            http://library.mises.org/books/Ludwig%20von%20Mises/Nation,%20State,%20and%20Economy.pdf

          • KG

            John 15:13

            King James Version (KJV)

            13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

          • chocopot

            Hitler and Stalin had morals? You had better go and read some history books.

          • KG

            Morality is nothing more than the ability to judge something right or wrong. Or, in biblical terms, “knowledge of good and evil.” So, if I judge something to be evil, I am making a moral statement. Just as if i judge something ‘good’.

            That’s why when people talk about ‘morality’, I always ask myself “Whose morality?” I find Republicans and Libertarians as ‘Immoral’ . But they consider me as a Union member ‘immoral’.

            So, who is right?

          • WTS/JAY

            KG: So, if I judge something to be evil, I am making a moral statement.

            Define evil.

          • KG

            Yes and no. Ill let you do that.

          • chocopot

            You are a very disturbed person. You should seek help. Discussion over.

          • KG

            Thats why I came here.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I suppose we could start with a list of what you consider to be moral behavior, KGB, and then go from there.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            But you are immoral, KG. Rationalizing behind the union label does not change facts.

          • KG

            John 8:7

            King James Version (KJV)

            7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Morality is subjective and counterfeit to Biblical Morality, chocopot. How else would people have followed Hitler and Stalin and O. There is just enough good to fool people. Hitler and Stalin patted dogs and kids and made nice during parades and smiled and waved, next moment they had people killed.

          • Bruce D

            Stalin and Hitler and all others do not have morality they have an Ideology which is often distorted and abused to retain their ‘evil’ actions.
            Muslim radicals share this view and do not care who they kill in the name of your Morality

            These are actions that go against the fabric of a normal society and until meglomaniacs are dethroned and eliminated there will be no peace in this world.

          • KG

            Morality comes from Ideology. If you ideology is in disagreement, you can always make a ‘moral’ judgement and justify it anyway. The Republicans have been doing this for years.

            So the Christians who, during the crusades, killed whomever were in their way did a ‘moral’ thing? Christians want to forget the Crusades where WE were the ‘terrorists’, but the Muslim world has not. Because the western world has abused and used their resources without regard to their life or liberty. Just ask BP.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Yes, KGB, it is hypocrisy for a person to preach morality which that person does not adhere to himself. You should know all about that having called workers “rats” who didn’t care to join your gang of Unionists.
            As far as the plundering of resources goes, you need to be much more explicit. How are they plundering? Who are they plundering? Are you talking about Crony Capitalists, Market Capitalists, Leaders, or the masses?

          • KG

            My grandfather worked In Saudi Arabia in the 30’s. He worked on lots of buried pipelines Many times a bedouin worker would fall in, and they would just keep going. He said there were probably thousands of dead arabians in the desert that they used up. Died from exhaustion, or doing a job that the white, english workers wouldn’t even try to do. If I learned that my grandfather died such an ignoble death I would be upset too.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Were they forced to work? If so, by whom? And why do you think that is pertinent to my comment?

          • KG

            It seems that your morality is a bout as shinny as a producer for a reality show. How about feeding Christians to a Lion? “If the sign a waiver, sure!”

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            More nonsense from KGB.
            As expected, you didn’t answer my questions. Now why would that be, if you honestly are here for inquiry?
            The regular readers know that you aren’t, of course, which explains why you steer clear of debating me and answering my questions.

          • KG

            Were they forced to work? Are you ‘forced’ to work?
            The resources they were exploiting was the human beings and the oil beneath their feet.

            I’m not trying to steer clear of debating, I’m just showing everybody just how selfish/self centered you ‘libertarians’ are. To have a battle of wits with an unarmed person is really unfair.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            That was your idea of a battle of wits, KGB?
            Where was the wit?
            Did that oil belong to them? If so, how so? The Big Government you stump for would be the first to take that oil from a private owner, so how is it that you have come to your erroneous conclusion that you care for the little man?
            I’m self-centered? I’m not the one who wants to Force my way on other people using Big Government as my bully boy, KGB. That would be you.

          • KG

            Dave, let’s got to the pub and have a pint. I think we BOTH need one!
            Cheers!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I don’t hang out with criminals, KGB.

          • WTS/JAY

            KG: To have a battle of wits with an unarmed person is really unfair.

            I agree, KG; so why not arm yourself?

          • Nadzieja Batki

            So you are now admitting that you are a Muslim and a Marxist. Dancing around and bashing Jews and Christians was your way of hiding that you are a Muslim and a full blown Marxist.

          • chocopot

            I object to ‘organized’ labor when they become extortionists and blackmailers like they have. As for “How can you have ‘morals’ if you don’t believe in G-d?,” well, it’s very simple, I do. Believing in G-d has no impact on that.
            Please end this discussion string since we are going in a circle.

          • KG

            quote: I object to ‘organized’ labor when they become extortionists and blackmailers like they have.

            I object to businesses when they extort and blackmail workers – like what they did to America in 2008.

          • WTS/JAY

            KG: I object to businesses when they extort and blackmail workers – like what they did to America in 2008.

            That was done by BIG-government(W+Obama) under the direction of BIG-banks!

          • KG

            Ha! Yous guys are sooo funny!

          • chocopot

            Wrong. That was the politicians who get their contributions from their friends in big business who were actually responsbile for that extortion – and they gave mostly to your hero, Obozo.

          • vicki

            Example please?

          • Bill

            Nice try, but we have no moral obligation to an un-moral union

          • Bill

            That sounds like a baited question

        • WTS/JAY

          KG: Where does Fear come from?

          Fear comes from ignorance, KG, and you sure spread a lot of it!

        • Bill

          KG,
          You are part of the problem and not the solution

        • got my licence

          KG you lie with half truths.
          There will be a one wourld gov. on earth created and controled by the antichrist. My guess it will be from the extream musilums. When Christ returns he will take us to a new world before he flushes this one. I do not know if it will be this world rebuilt or someplace else. Don’t know , don’t care, I guess thats why they call it faith. But untill that time I will continue to raise my family hopeing to live long enough to see my grandkids, being good to others, and maybe showing others that if a basketcaes like me could get a second chance they can also. Every saint has a past and every sinner a future.

        • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

          KG asks: “If you are a Christian, then why are you so upset? I read the end of the book, and guess what? G-d’s going to have one-world government.”

          KG, I am a Christian and I am very pleased that God created TWO-world governments: One is the Kingdom of God in the Heaven, and the second is the Satan’s kingdom in the h-e-l-l.

          “Do you not know that the UNRIGHTEOUS WILL NOT INHERIT the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor HOMOSEXUALS [a] (in Greek – malakoi*) nor SODOMITES, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.” (1 Corinthians 6:9)

          *Malakoi – 1) a boy kept for homosexual relations with a man – PEDOPHILES; 2) a male prostitute

          “I will declare to them: ‘I NEVER KNEW YOU; DEPART FROM Me, you WORKERS OF LAWLESSNESS.” – Jesus Christ (Matthew 7:21-23)

          Many sons of this world “will be cast out into outer darkness.There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth” (Matthew 8:12)

          “The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, 42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.” (Matthew 13:41-42)

          “For many are called, but FEW ARE CHOSEN.” – Jesus Christ (Matthew 22:14)

          CONCLUSION:
          KG, you are “You are of your father the devil (a.k.a. Satan), and the DESIRES OF YOUR FATHER YOU WANT TO DO. He … does NOT STAND IN THE TRUTH, because THERE IS NO TRUTH IN HIM. When he speaks a LIE, he speaks from his own resources,for HE IS A LIAR AND THE FATHER OF IT.” (John 8:44)

          KG, you have your father’s DNA and his Y hromosome is screaming out thru you.

          KG, you missed the REAL END of the DELIGHTFUL and TRUTHFUL book:

          “Then the devil, who had DECEIVED THEM, was thrown into the FIERY LAKE of burning sulfur, joining the beast and the FALSE PROPHET. There THEY WILL BE TORMENTED DAY and NIGHT FOREVER and EVER…And anyone whose name was not found recorded in the Book of Life was thrown into the lake of fire.” (Revelation 20:10, 15)

          “But COWARDS, UNBELIEVERS, the CORRUPT, MURDERERS, the SEXUALLY IMMORAL, those who practice witchcraft, IDOL WORSHIPERS, and ALL LIARS shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the SECOND DEATH (and final).” (Revelation 21:8)

          “So it will be at the END of the age. The angels will come forth, separate the wicked from among the just, and cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.” – King Jesus Christ (Matthew 13:49-50)

          • KG

            Is the ‘kingdom of G-d’ that Jesus speaks about in heaven or is it here on earth? Jesus said:

            Matthew 3:2
            King James Version (KJV)
            2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

            So either the kingdom was there already or it was very close. Is Jesus a liar?

            Matthew 7:21
            Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

            Here he clearly places the two places separate from each other.

            Matthew 8:11
            And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.

            Here he talks about other people. The Arabs and the Chinese. And that they will sit with Abraham, Issac, and Jacob – or Israel.

            WE ARE IN THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN. That is, if you do what Jesus said in Matthew 5.

          • vicki

            This should help reset anyone’s moral compass and defeat the moral relativism unleashed upon the earth.

            ———————————
            Your Creator gave you life and free will.
            How you use those gifts and how you honor them in others is how you shall be judged.
            ———————————

            Note the above does not work for anyone who does not believe that free will exists. It will work for all others.

          • KG

            quote:… is how you shall be judged.

            Yes, by other men. However, G-d’s standards are even higher than that.

            Matthew 5:20

            King James Version (KJV)

            20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

            Matthew 6 (King James Version)
            19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:

            20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:

            21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

            Also, none of us are going to make it anyway:

            Romans 3:23
            King James Version (KJV)
            23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God…

            So, how are any of us worthy to go to heaven?

          • vicki

            The astute reader will have noticed that I did not specify WHO would judge. The answer of course is man while here on earth and God when your body dies and and you face Him.

          • KG

            That’s right – because YOU want to be the judge. YOU have the knowledge of good and evil. It seems that you have committed the same sin that Adam and Eve did.

            Drop the fruit, spit it out, and you may see the truth.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            KG, please keep proving that you are your daddy’s
            Mouth-piece.

            “You are of your father the devil (a.k.a. Satan), and the DESIRES OF YOUR FATHER YOU WANT TO DO. He … does NOT STAND IN THE TRUTH, because THERE IS NO TRUTH IN HIM. When he speaks a LIE, he speaks from his own resources,for HE IS A LIAR AND THE FATHER OF IT.” (John 8:44)

          • KG

            Matthew 10:28
            King James Version (KJV)
            28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

            Matthew 11:19
            King James Version (KJV)
            19 The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.

            Matthew 12
            King James Version (KJV)
            25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:

            26 And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?

            27 And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges.

            28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      The “middle class” will not go away in America but it will be severely micromanaged. The “middle class” is the Feeder Class for the rich as well as the poor, where do you think the money comes from to “fund” government.
      The rich would use up their substance and stagnate and the poor don’t have anything to give.

      • vicki

        I.E. What will the socialists do when they run out of other peoples money. :)

  • merle

    So what are the reps going to do about him? Are they going to set back and let him continue to run us to the ground? Why don’t they refuse to raise the debt limit, we can go without a few things (Like food stamps to illegals)do not fund Obamacare, throw a wrench in every thing he does till 2016. Sure they will get yelled at but we can’t let him continue to rule as he has been doing.He thinks he is a King.But he is more like HItler.

  • Alex

    You can always tell which PLD posters glean their “information” by listening to the drug-addicted pedophile Flush Limpjaw or by sucking carbon monoxide from the Faux Noose tailpipe—-packaged misinformation wrapped in vitriol, all tied up in red-white-and-boohoohoo ribbons. Truth being a fierce allergen to these simple folk, they reach not for the Epi-pen but the remote, secure in the fuzzy blanket of fluff provided by Sean insHannity or MeGYN Kelly.

    Point these Teabaggers in the right (Left) direction and they quickly melt into puddles of whimpering, whining self-parody of the paranoid Bircher looking for Communists in the floorboards or else explode in VIOLENT UPPERCASE ASSAULT on reason, their Great & Unrelieved Anger—shrieking non-sequitur peppered with parroted Fright Wing squawking points.

    Don’t you Cro-Mags get it?!? All y’all LOST!!

    Benghazi, IRS, NBP, SLA (<<<HA! good one!), Solyndra, Rev. Wright, Bill Ayers, Van Jones, ACORN, F&F—-WHATEVER!—-NONE of these or any of the myriad other 'scandals' you get so lathered over had the least effect in seeing Barack Obama's lease on the White Guy's House extended another four years—-nothing! PLUS+++ The GOP lost ground in the Senate and was thrashed in House race ballot box by an aggregate FIVE MILLION votes! If you guys had not drawn such gerrymandered districts your incessant and juvenile obstruction would matter not one whit. Losers!!

    So, Mr Livingston, you and your hateful, poor loser sycophants can whine about the economy all you wish, but don't blame the president. He is not the problem.

    The problem is Capitalism, which has never worked, not anywhere, and never will. It is as decrepit as Soviet Communism, but unlike the latter, has neither the grace or good sense to crawl into the pit of failed Societal Experiments where it belongs and where it will finish decomposing (it has, of course, been putrifying for quite some time, and, as with all things, it is time which will win out in the end). That is a more distant future than what is at hand, although most of your PLD lemmings seem to see it as near on nigh……ha. Yes–no sense in getting too far ahead of ourselves—the near future is decidedly upbeat, what with our first woman president (Hillary almost certainly, although Elizabeth Warren would be most welcome!) taking office in 2017, and it is that near future that you folks are so twitchy about. In short, the GOP is dead, as dead as the Whigs and the Federalists. Much deader than the blessed Wobblies, in fact.

    As has been pointed out so often, Right Wing politics offer nothing to the bulk of the plebiscite. Women and young people and non-Caucasoids avoid the GOP, the Tea Party, the KKK, the NRA, the Amerikan Nazis and such.

    Now, certainly it is stretching things to link all of those groups. Such simple equating is really a Right Wing specialty, but the problem for you people is that tomorrow's voters get their cues from your delusions. The Right Wing just does not know how to escape the gravity of the Black Hole of Ignorance that defines nearly every GOP utterance. You folks lost, you lost bad, and it willnot get better, not for you.

    The rest of us will be fine, though, thanks for askin'….

    • Alex

      Hey—-fix your computer, Bob! What the heck did you guys do to my masterful post? It is all scrambled up….

      • WTS/JAY

        Much like your brain. What a boob!

      • IsThisAmerica

        Surprised you wern’t deleted, Ha Ha can’t read your dribble. Oh of course it was SOMEBODY ELSES FAULT, typical, loony, leftist. You belong in the insane asylum.

      • IsThisAmerica

        That’s your brain on drugs. Quit sucking down the kool-aid and smoking all the reefer. You have no idea what you are saying, it’s all babble.

      • Bill

        It’s just your meds not working right

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        His Nonsense to English translator must have gone on the blink.

    • unbridled

      You’re the one that doesn’t get it, screwloose! It doesn’t matter who is in office. The fix is and has been in for quite some time. The American experiment is doomed to fail and you, you peace of garbage, are going down with the rest of us. You won’t even get a kiss for supporting our demise. Way to go COMRADE alex!

    • chocopot

      You are a self-delusional fool.

    • Doc Sarvis

      Alex, I got the first two paragraphs and you are right on.

    • DSVet

      Alex, you are either Communist or Socialist…or both. Outside of having no data to back up your rhetoric, it is your opinion, simply that…reality will come to you and yours, as well as the rest of us, in the years to come if “We the People” don’t act to preserve out Constitution and Bill of Rights. I am an American, and a Patriot and have sworn an allegiance to protect and defend our Constitution, you obviously have not.

      • rbrooks

        you believe every american has the right to own a fire arm. regardless of age, gender, criminal or civil behavior. right?

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          We believe it in none of your business, rbrooks, what we own, as long as we don’t trespass on the bodies and property of others.
          Guns save lives:
          https://www.gunowners.org/sk0802htm.htm

          • rbrooks

            yes davey, you only care about your rights. we all know that.

            the question is about the rights of all americans.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Which you disdain.

          • rbrooks

            i disdain you supporting the elimination of the rights of americans.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Don’t you mean you double-speak, Flashman?
            How does your taking away of peoples’ rights support their rights?

          • rbrooks

            don’t deflect. you support gun control. as long as you are not being included.

            your version of personal liberty.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            How can we tell when Flashman is lying? His lips are moving.
            Show me where I have supported gun control, Flashman.

          • JeffH

            WOW! The more rbrooks speaks the more he sounds like unhinged Jeff and Dave47D. Their conjecture is amazingly similar as is their method of delivery.

          • WTS/JAY

            Hard to imagine that there are actually people like brooks walking the planet. Hope there’s not too many of them!

          • vicki

            Which right(s) do you think TODaveH is supporting the elimination of?

          • Nadzieja Batki

            rbrooks, WHO is going to give you rights, the Marxist in Chief and his minions?

            Keep talking, we need to know what a Dem/Prog/Leftist believes.

          • rbrooks

            are you referring to reagan, little bush or politicians in general.

          • vicki

            ONE of the rights of all Americans is to own guns. By reading TODaveH’s posts it is clear that he does support your rights. Too bad you do not honor him by doing the same.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You have no right to render other people defenseless, Flashman.
            You are no different than a common rapist if you choose to Force that on other people.

          • rbrooks

            does that mean you support the right of every american to own a gun, regardless of age, criminal or civil behavior.

            even felons.

            a simple yes or no.

            i will even start.

            yes. every american has the right to own a gun. regardless. no permits or license required.

            i expect bob and every one of his faithful followers to agree.

          • vicki

            Yes every person has the right to keep and bear the best tools for defense they choose. NO restrictions. See Amendment 2, US Constitution.

            Should you mis-use that right you can and will face due process as stated in the Constitution.

            Many will ask how to deal with ex-felons
            The answer is simple. Keep them in jail until they have served their time. To send them out in the world and demand that they go defenseless is impossibly cruel punishment.

            Many will ask how to deal with the mentally ill.
            The answer is simple. Keep them in an institution where they are protected until they are well.

            Many will ask how to deal with children.
            The answer is simple. Train them from the age they are able to hold a tool the proper use of the tool. When they are younger than that they need the supervision of an adult anyway as there are many tools in the world besides firearms that can do serious damage.

          • rbrooks

            bravo. you are one of the very few on this site that believe in the 2nd amendment.

          • rbrooks

            you believe every american has the right to own a fire arm. regardless of age, gender, criminal or civil behavior. right?

            still waiting

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            What I believe, Flashman, is that it’s none of your damn business what anybody owns as long as they don’t trespass on other people’s body or property.
            Make no mistake, Flashman. If you take their property, it is you who are the aggressor, no matter how your demented mind fantasizes otherwise.

          • rbrooks

            purty simple question. that you, bob and the other faithful followers refuse to answer.

            old bob removed a few posts. he doesn’t want to admit he supports gun control any more than you do.

            i believe every american has the right to own a gun. regardless of age, race, religion, criminal or civil behavior. no license or permit required. no infringements allowed.

            it is interesting that i seem to be the only one on this site that has that belief.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Your statement is meaningless to me, rbrooks, because I wouldn’t believe a word you say.

          • rbrooks

            thanks for proving you do not believe in the constitution or the bill of rights.

            i knew you could do it.

            you only whine when might be included in the next round of infringements.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Thank you, Flashman, for providing the readers with a view of a typical Liberal Progressive.

          • rbrooks

            your welcome. i seem to be the only one on this site that believes the 2nd amendment apply’s to all americans.

            not just a select few.

          • vicki

            Wait no longer. The answer is above.

          • rbrooks

            nh needs you, davey.

            http://news.yahoo.com/legislative-stalemate-means-more-nh-140140309.html

            run up and show those folks how private business can fix their little problem.

            lol.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            That’s funny, Flashman. You post an article that shows the results of Government bumbling, and you think it somehow supports your contention when in actuality it supports the fact that private enterprise would be a better solution — one which is being pursued ever-increasingly by broke Governments across the country:
            http://reason.org/news/show/annual-privatization-2011-transport

          • rbrooks

            this is the chance you have been waiting for.

            stop blaming others.

            show us how private business is going to fix the problem.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I just did. Didn’t the public schools teach you how to read?

          • rbrooks

            lol. all you have shown is how a few private companies are making use of existing transportation that was built by socialism. using the very same methods that have been used in the past.

            extracting tolls for usage. nothing new about that.

            this is just more of that crony capitalism you despise.

            got any viable solutions.

            rand and carlyle never had any long term solutions that worked either.

            nh is waiting on you to solve the problem. looks like they will be waiting for a long time.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            We’ve seen your solution in your own article and it isn’t pretty. Socialism can only exist as long as they have Capitalists’ shoulders to ride on. This has been proven by every country in history who have outlawed Capitalism.

          • rbrooks

            capitalism, of and by it’s self, has never worked. never will.

            it has been the capitalists that have created the current problems.

            you got that road built yet?

            didn’t think so.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Yes I did, Flashman. And it cost me twice as much as it should have because I was Forced to let Government do the job.

          • rbrooks

            the residents of nh will be relieved to know their roads have been fixed.

            if you have the time, there are few more that could use your expertise.

            great job davey.

    • Bill

      Off your meds again. Alex?

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Alex, a typical Liberal Progressive who must mount ad hominem attacks since he is bereft of facts.

    • vicki

      Ad hominem

  • northbrook

    Obama has had 4 years to right the economy and establish programs for creating jobs and what has he done create the worst possible program for medical care destroying jobs due to the insurance burdens on employeers instead he squander the peoples money on failed green projects for his crony supporters making them richer and the country poorer.
    Why doesn’t he approve the XL Pipeline immediate job opportunities/ instead he is waging a war on the coal industry costing jobs / releasing his war dog EPA to regulate to death industries that are already burdened with red tape. Now he is trying to distract the people from the scandals that have surfaced by going back to previous promises of creating jobs/ The scandals that he claims are phony are the results of his administration’s persecution of enemies list – IRS scrutiny of tax status on the Tea Party and supporters of GOP candidates, NSA spying on the American public,the Bengazi coverup, Fast and Furious guns to the Mexican cartels. These exist because the government is out of control.
    Rather than supporting the nation’s energy independence he continues to have the BBSE and the EPA block permits to drill -why to keep the US subserviant to the oil cartel. We need to remember this during the coming elections and vote the Democrats from power in the Senate and place a strong set of candidates in the House and Senate that will do the people’s will and place the nation back on track for prosperity.

    • KG

      The real reason behind the XL pipeline is the question – will it be done Union or Rat? The ‘shovel ready’ projects that were ready to go in 2008 were stopped by the Republicans because they realized that a majority of the projects were going to be done Union. Their Non-union ‘rat’ buddies couldn’t hope to get any of that money anyway – because they are unqualified and under financed to do such a project.

      • WTS/JAY

        Pure Poppycock, KG. In fact, yours is a bald-faced lie!

        On November 10, 2011, President Obama stood up for Americans and put the future of the planet ahead of Big Oil. Citing climate change, President Obama sent the Keystone XL pipeline project back for review until at least 2013. The announcement is a reflection of the President’s commitment to clean energy…not my words, btw, but straight from the Obama’s brain-dead media, ABC, or is it, KGB…?

        Read the rest here, KG: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/president-obama-rejects-keystone-xl-pipeline/story?id=15387980

      • Jim B

        Where do you get such fiction KG? Shovel ready was a phrase made up by BHO, there turned out to be no such projects on the burner or the back burner. When it was discovered that tax payer funding was going off to never-never land BHO decided to spend the American taxpayer month on undeveloped, untested energy technologies/companies that resulted in billions of tax payer dollars going down the bankruptcy hole. Your explanation has no ounce of truth, and is illiterate at best.

      • Ried

        hahahahahahahahahahaha

      • Bill

        And Don’t forget how effective the unions were in Detroit.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        KGB says — “The real reason behind the XL pipeline is the question – will it be done Union or Rat?”.

        Another “compassionate” Socialist shows his true colors by trying to dehumanize those who would be happy to work for a Market Wage instead of forming a violent Gang to coerce higher than Market Wages from employers who must then raise their prices to consumers, or lay off other workers to make ends meet.

        http://mises.org/Econsense/ch37.asp

    • Bill

      Good Comments, Northbrook,
      It is like Jimmy Carter on Steroids

  • KG

    quote: Barack Obama, the undocumented usurper…

    As soon as I saw this pitiful, hateful, stupid comment from the esteemed Mr Livingstoned I knew I was in for his typical diatribe of treasonous attacks against the American people – da gubmant. It seems as though he feels his Ideas somewhat superior to what working Americans want. Working Americans don’t want Jobs, they want foodstamps – right? Isin’t that what you are saying? What you are really saying is that Americans ‘suck’. They don’t deserve anything because they are lazy and have no initiative – am I right, Mr Livingstoned? I realize that being Libertarian really has nothing to do with ‘liberty’ but has everything to do with ‘moralizing’ – or felling YOUR morals ‘superior’ to the working class scum that struggles everyday to make a better life for themselves.

    • WTS/JAY

      Alex, is this you?

      • KG

        No – just another disembodied member of the blogosphere.

    • hippybiker

      Typical drivel from the mind of a diseased troll.

    • Jim B

      Can’t connect the dots hey KG. Our government, specifically this government has drained the American resources with policy polluting politics that has resulted in 50 million of its people requiring food, medical, housing, clothing, and education supplements, and in most cases a full ride. That free ride is slung on the backs of middle class American taxpayers who have had enough. Lose the middle class and you have Detroit. BHO has done nothing but add to the overwhelming burden already being carried by adding another 7 Trillion to the debt, and carrying a 1.5 Trillion dollar yearly deficit since his presidency. To shut this government down is the best course of action for the middle class. Any other government option will only make this situation worse. Freedom, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness need to be restored to this country, BHO is not the one to make this happen for he has shown over and over again that he is not for these ideas.

    • rbrooks

      bob is not a libertarian. he is not for liberty. bob’s only concern is ensuring that bob is granted his own version of liberty. he is not concerned with anyone else.

      bob, the other story writers and their small group of supporters, is/are quite willing to give up your liberty in exchange for his/their liberty.

      it is the selling point of all of the story writers on this site.

      we should all work together to fight for their rights.

      that is bob’s definition of a patriot.

      bob, and his faithful few, want all of the benefits of socialized govt, with out being required to ever pay a penny for the use of those benefits.

      they try to call that being self reliant. self made.

      there only difference between bob, wayne, chip, etc and obama, bush etc. is the level of salesmanship.

      • KG

        During WWII MRA, or Moral Rearmament , the precursor to AA as well as several right wing groups, made a pamphlet entitled “How YOU can defend America.” And, sadly, thats their attitude to lots of things. You may wish to lump Mr Obama in that group, if you wish. But, the fact is his actions speak volumes compared to the actions of the Republicans.

      • Bill

        Rbrooks,
        And you are a follower of KG’s “Detroit Model”

        • rbrooks

          unlike you, i understand how detriot fell. it was predicated. easily predicated.

          the collapse of the economy was also predicated.

          your ignorant fear is being used to eliminate wage protection & increase job loss by technology and immigration. (manipulating the labor pool)

          business is reaping what they have sown.

          it is interesting to watch.

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear rbrooks,

            You write: “unlike you, i understand how detriot fell. it was predicated. easily predicate.” Yes it was predicated upon failed progressive policies. And it shows what happens with big government and cronyism sans money printing.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • rbrooks

            the first prediction was based on the loss of jobs by and thru technology.
            the 2nd prediction came from the low wage policy, which increased the loss of customers.

            govt did step in and make the entire issue worse.

            big govt was not the initial problem. you can remove govt.

            but that leaves us with the problem you wrote about.

            what will you do with all of those unemployed & under employed folks that are no longer receiving aid?

          • Nadzieja Batki

            What good was the predicting if Detroit’s failure when there is no intention of correcting the problems.

          • rbrooks

            solutions were provided. none were ever implemented.

            i doubt they ever will be.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        Feel free to demonstrate any of your ad hominem attacks, rbrooks with evidence.

        • rbrooks

          the evidence has been supplied.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Where?

          • WTS/JAY

            I think it’s over there somewhere…(-:

    • Bill

      And your answer, KG is more unions.
      The results of your economic model is Detroit. So, we will name the KG economic recommendations “The Detroit Model”

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      One ugly diatribe of unsupported ad hominem attack.
      Do you ever have anything honest and real to say, KGB?

  • WTS/JAY

    Obama, more than Al Gore, George W. Bush, John McCain, or Hillary Clinton, has been the most fully realized CONSENSUS CORPORATIST CANDIDATE of the last decade. His policies reflect a revival of the overt corporatist model prevalent in Bill Clinton’s first two years, with a vengeance. Obama’s economic rescue package was written by Wall Street, through Timothy Geithner and company; the same will be true of any “financial regulation reform” that ensues from Washington. Big business, with some input from big labor, has already written the immigration bill, quietly resting withChuck Schumer and Lindsey Graham, ready to be sprung when the time is ready; it will narrow citizenship rights and redefine immigration from a strictly economic point of view. Energy companies are fully incorporated into the writing of the climate and energy bills. The military writes war policy (General Stanley McChrystal’s little “rebellion,” as Obama was supposedly “thinking out” Afghanistan war policy, was all the more ironic for its pure redundancy). Any legislation that comes out of Washington can only be corporatist in tendency (this will be further enhanced by the Supreme Court striking down campaign finance restrictions), and will only make things in each of the realms — energy, finance, immigration, health care — worse, by definition, since genuine redistributive/egalitarian thinking is completely off the table. – Huffington Post

    • gswifty

      Very exact and correct comment. But I thought that was you talking, Jay. Or is that from the Huffington post? Got a link?

      • TheOriginalDaveH
        • WTS/JAY

          Thanks DaveH!

      • WTS/JAY

        gswiftly: Very exact and correct comment.

        I agree! And to think that it came from a left-wing site; could things be looking up?

        • gswifty

          That’s why I had to ask. I come from counterpunch myself, and I’m starting to see many more people from different stripes and backgrounds ‘coming around’. Cheers!

  • WTS/JAY

    WASHINGTON — The Obama administration is pursuing a free trade agreement with the European Union that would grant corporations new political power to challenge an array of regulations both at home and abroad, according to an administration official involved in the negotiations.

    While the plan is still in its early stages, the effort alarms consumer and environmental advocates who worry it will lead to a rollback of important rules and put multinational companies on the same political plane as sovereign nations.

    If states are unable to pass and enforce laws within their borders, it could change the nature of their community and government, nonprofit groups emphasize. Exactly how broad these corporate political powers will be is undetermined, but one aspect of the agreement, known as “investor-state dispute resolution,” would allow a company to appeal a regulatory rule or law to an international court, most likely the World Bank. The international body would be given authority to impose economic sanctions against any country that violated its verdict, including the United States.

    A spokesperson for the Office of the United States Trade Representative confirmed to HuffPost that the agency “will seek the inclusion of procedures for expeditious, fair and transparent investor-state dispute resolution” under a new pact with the EU, but said that the new legal framework will be “subject to appropriate safeguards and the protection of legitimate government regulatory interests.”

    The investor-state resolution is opposed by many public interest groups.

    “These provisions elevate corporations to the level of nation states and allow them to sue governments over nearly any law or policy which reduces their future profits,” said Ilana Solomon, trade specialist for the Sierra Club, an environmental protection group.

    She said investor-state resolution is “terribly risky for communities, the environment, and our climate.”

    The U.S. Chamber of Commerce has been advocating for a new trade deal between the U.S. and EU for more than a year, and President Barack Obama endorsed the project in his 2013 State of the Union address. -Huffington Post

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/04/eu-trade-deal_n_2994410.html

    • John Cherish

      Time to get the UN out of American affairs and out of our country

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        I second that motion.
        It is an organization that was set up by Leaders for Leaders and we can’t expect it to do anything more than promoting those Leaders’ self interests.
        10 reasons to abolish the UN:
        http://frontpagemag.com/upload/pamphlets/UN.pdf

      • JeffH

        John, haven’t noticed you commenting before today but it’s always nice to see an informed participant come to PLD.
        Welcome aboard

  • John Wesley Bletsch

    Of course Obama is going to deflect, misdirect, disinform, pontificate, bloviate, and literally do anything he can to distract attention from the so called phoney scandals. One must remember that scandals are usually the result of moral terpitude whereas what is facing Obama and his entire administration are crimes perpetrated and committed by this criminal cabal posing as a government administration. Since when are the murders of 4 Americans in the service of their nation anything but a crime? When is the material support of our enemies considered less than Treason. When are the murders of hundreds of innocent foreign nationals by arms illegally sent across international borders anything but crimes against humanity? All the distraction is meant to pull attention away from crimes that ordinary people would go to prison for a very long time upon conviction. When a government administration is being run as a criminal enterprise said government administration must be terminated and reorganized according to the Constitution. Those responsible must be held accountable and prosecuted as the least of us would be.

  • Warrior

    For those of you who were “forced” to sit through this agonizing “phony” 67 minutes of partisan jibber jabber, what did you learn? “The Walking Dead”, coming to a neighborhood near you.

    • rbrooks

      some one forced you to watch? i changed the channel.
      most tv’s have a power button. you should learn to use it.

      • WTS/JAY

        You changed the channel? To what, Sesame street?

    • John Cherish

      I watched it because I need to keep informed of what the idiot in the white house is up to, but I could have just watched one of his previous speeches as it was more of the same. he should just make a video of one and replay it every time he needs or wants to make a speech. he would then have more time for Vacations and Golf

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        Good one, John.

  • jimmie smith

    I’m convinced this (government policy) is by design, just to create a (new America)? Keep the people in perpetual state of division. “A house divided will not stand”. That quote is more in truth today than ever before.

  • rbrooks

    really good stuff there bob. you have all the makings of a fine politician. you point out a few of the problems. ignore how those problems were created.

    then offer no viable solutions.

    • WTS/JAY

      Alex, is that you?

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        No, it’s Flashy.

        • WTS/JAY

          Its Hugo, the man of a thousand faces.

      • JeffH

        Alex? Flashy? Well he is an obvious progressive shill.

    • wandamurline

      One viable solution would be to change the size of this enormous government….take it back to Constitutional provisions….that would be
      cutting about 2/3rds of the government…then we can start repealing the laws that are killing our economy and put back the “gold standard” to stop the crazy spending…cutting foreign aid to our enemies.

      • rbrooks

        end foreign aid, corporate subsidies, farm welfare.
        term limits at every level of govt.
        end social services to non u.s. citizens.
        no anchor births.
        rescind all work visas’.

        fair trade agreements.

        put america and americans first.

        • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

          Dear rbrooks,

          You wrote above: “then offer no viable solutions.” But I see you have seen some of the solutions I’ve offered.

          Best wishes,
          Bob

          • rbrooks

            we have had this discussion bob. it was what originally convinced me to sign up for your site.

            some where along the way, you stumbled.. changed direction.

            you have become lost in your personal fixation on obama.

            look no farther than your current faithful.

            quite a change over the past few years.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Maybe you should try just sticking to one personality, Flashman, so you have more credibility.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          rbrooks says — “end social services to non u.s. citizens”.
          Why stop there? It isn’t Government’s money to give. Nobody should be getting money from unwilling donors. It not only is immoral, but it creates Moral Hazard. That is –people (the recipients) are incentivized to become less productive and less responsible for their own actions.

          rbrooks says — “rescind all work visas”.
          Why? You want to stop productive people from producing more goods and services? How could less production possibly result in a better economy?

          rbrooks says — “fair trade agreements”.
          What? Fair to who? Who gets to decide what is fair? A panel of securely employed and Crony Capitalist funded bureaucrats?
          There is only one “fair trade aggrement” and that is Free Trade, absent Government coercion and favoritism to their Crony Capitalists.

          rbrooks says — “put america and americans first”.
          If you are truly interested in doing that, then you will work to butt Government out of our Marketplaces, so that people can trade with whoever they want to trade with — without a meddlesome third party getting in the way.

          http://library.mises.org/books/Kel%20Kelly/The%20Case%20for%20Legalizing%20Capitalism.pdf

          • rbrooks

            let them eat cake, eh.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            To the contrary, rbrooks. It is you Progressive meddlers who have impoverished countries throughout history.

          • rbrooks

            lol. still trying to sell that. to be expected from one who is a disciple of rand and carlyle.

            were you planning on being one of the slaves? or one of those piled on the dung heap.

            or do you see yourself as the master of the new plantation.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You can laugh all you want, Flashman, but anybody with half-a-brain can figure out from past Socialism failures and from current conditions that Socialism is a non-productive ideology which can only exist by riding parasitically on the backs of Capitalists.

            Anybody who honestly wants to investigate can start here with this ranking of countries by their Economic Freedom, i.e. the amount of Freedom from Socialism. It doesn’t take a great deal of investigation to find that As Government Grows, The Economy Slows.
            http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking

          • rbrooks

            heritage? lol. did you actually read the list of country’s?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Ad hominem? Is that the best you can muster, Flashman?
            Are we back to that old tired accusation that I don’t read my own articles? I would have thought you could come up with some newer material after my long hiatus, Flashman.

          • rbrooks

            you were gone. never noticed.

            does that mean you didn’t read the list.

            hong kong, singapore, switzerland and canada.

            free from socialism?

            well, you are humorous.

            btw- asking if had read the article does not fit the definition of ad hominem. there was no attack or argument, it was a simple question.

            considering you and heritage are claiming canada is free from socialism.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Sure you noticed, Flashman. I was the one who regularly exposed you for the fraud that you are.
            I never said that any of the countries were free from Socialism, Flashman. You are, as usual, putting words in my mouth.
            What I said is that the list demonstrates that the more Government butts into the economy, the worse their economy gets.
            Do you have a reading disability, Flashman, or are you just being your usual Trollish self?

          • rbrooks

            the disability is all yours. several times over.

            >Anybody who honestly wants to investigate can start here with this
            ranking of countries by their Economic Freedom, i.e. the amount of
            Freedom from Socialism.<

            then you provide a heritage link as proof. that link lists canada & switzerland as having less socialism, less govt. involvement or interference, than the u.s.

            they are both ranked above the u.s.

            hilarious, davey, simply hilarious.

            all you have exposed is your ongoing ignorance.

            you will want to remove this post as well.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            What is hilarious, Flashman, is your lame posts. Do you really think you fool anybody other than your fellow shills?

          • rbrooks

            it would not be difficult to fool one as foolish as you.

            but you do a great job all by your self.

            canada has less socialism than the u.s.

            that is really funny stuff.

            but you can probably sell that to a few of the posters here.

            going to be tougher to sell your support of the 2nd from now on.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Feel free to prove otherwise, Flashman.

            Fraser institute also puts Canada ahead of the US in Economic Freedom:
            http://www.freetheworld.com/

          • rbrooks

            you mean you support the socialized health care system & the tax rates in canada. lol.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Did I say that, Flashman? I don’t support anything that doesn’t involve voluntary transactions among people.

          • rbrooks

            yet you give canada as an example of a country that has less socialism. less govt. lol.

          • rbrooks

            yet you give canada as an example of a country that has less socialism. less govt. lol.

      • WTS/JAY

        wandamurline: One viable solution would be to change the size of this enormous government….take it back to Constitutional provisions….that would becutting about 2/3rds of the government…

        Of course, that would mean re-habilitating 2/3 of predatory-psychopaths before they could be allowed re-entry into society. We would need to seriously take into account the safety of the American-citizens!

    • John Cherish

      It is our problem not Bob’s alone yes he points these things out and yes they are obvious, Yet it is we the people who must correct the situation some of that correction will involve the removal of office of incompetent and self gratifying politicians, Obama is one of those and so is Speaker of the House John Boehner and there are many others who must go. Until Americans really get involved in their government we will get the bottom of the barrel type of politicians. It is up to us the citizen to vet them and to rate their job performance and to get rid of the dead wood where necessary. We can not sit back and shirk this responsibility. The people of Egypt got rid of their dead wood this way and marched until the military ousted their president we need the same here in this country. I think most are afraid to get out and protest, I think many are afraid or just plain lazy and want someone else to to the dirty work for them. Listen up conservatives, You can not sit back and let someone else do the work for you this is what we got by letting the “someone else” to do the work. We got what we deserved a corrupt government in Washington DC and in Places like Detroit and Chicago we got the depressing example of what socialism will look like large scale if we sit back the whole country will look like Detroit. The time for action is now

      • Bill

        Good comments, John

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        It isn’t just a matter of removing politicians every 2 or 4 or 6 years. No Politician or group of politicians can manage an economy effectively. If they could, they’d be running their own businesses instead of pulling Government salaries.
        We need to get Government out of our Marketplaces so the real producers can do what they do best — please customers.
        We need to take away the artificial props that Government gives to Political Entrepreneurs to protect them from the Market Entrepreneurs:
        http://mises.org/daily/2317

        • John Cherish

          Politicians fight like hell to get into office, Its not the salaries they seek it is the power, It is not all about money it is the power they will get and the corruption they will propagate.They want the pay backs and kick backs the favors from corporate America and rich bankers the hidden salary perks are far more than what they receive in salary. In short politicians are for sale to the highest bidder and are more comparable to prostitutes than to honorable men and women

          • Vigilant

            “Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession.
            I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first.”

            Ronald Reagan

          • momo

            Yeah, only you enjoy the first much more than the second.

          • JeffH

            What?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Ladies of the night.

          • JeffH

            I understood that part. I just didn’t understand why momo directed that at Vigilant…a little tongue in cheek I suppose.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Vigilant’s quote said — “second oldest profession”.
            Prostitution — the oldest profession.

          • Vigilant

            …and with the politicians they just keep taking your money without rendering a service.

          • WTS/JAY

            I think momo prefers the second.

          • Dave

            Reagan sure proved that didn’t he? Got us even more hooked on foreign oil (money), tripled our national debt and expanded the national debt… Oh and he also negotiated with terrorists and made money from selling arms to them.
            Some hero of the conservatives

          • Vigilant

            US dependence on foreign oil:
            Reagan: 43.6%
            Obama: 66.2%
            National debt as % of GDP:
            Reagan: 52.6%
            Obama: >100%

            Got an answer for that, smartass?

          • Dave

            Yes,

            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-abrams/there-is-a-villain-in-our_b_123478.html

            There is your boy Reagan’s legacy

            Now for the debt:

            President Obama contributed the most to the debt, with cumulative deficits totaling $5.073 trillion in just four years. Obama’s budgets included the economic stimulus package,

            which added $787 billion by***** cutting taxes, extending unemployment benefits, and funding job-creating public works projects******. The Obama tax cuts added $858 billion to the debt over two years.****** Obama’s budget included increased defense spending to around $800 billion a year.

            ***** Federal income was down, thanks to lower tax receipts from the 2008 financial crisis.*****

            Both Presidents Bush and Obama ****had to contend with higher mandatory mandatory spending for Social Security and Medicare*****. He also sponsored the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, which was designed to reduce the debt by $143 billion over 10 years. However, these savings didn’t show up until the later years.

            What this translates too is that there isn’t much “spending” comes from any new policy put forth by Obama. These are less tax reciepts from the recession, the continuation of the wars Bush started and the tax cuts that Obama put in place to jumpstart the economy and existing boneheaded Bush tax cuts while two wars were raging.

            President Reagan added $1.412 trillion to the debt during his two terms. He fought the 1982 recession by cutting the top income tax rate from 70% to 28%, and the corporate rate from 48% to 34%. He also increased government spending by 2.5% a year. This included a 35% increase in the defense budget, and an expansion of Medicare. Although $1.412 trillion doesn’t sound like a lot, compared to 2012 debt levels, ******in fact Reagan’s economic policies tripled the debt during his Presidency.*****

            http://useconomy.about.com/od/usdebtanddeficit/p/US-Debt-by-President.htm
            It wasn’t until Ronald Reagan’s deficit spending that our debt skyrocketed. Bush 1 and Bush 2 continued the Reagan tradition and Obama had the worst recession since the depression and two wars dumped in his lap.
            Your turn… Oh conservative one….

          • Vigilant

            US dependence on foreign oil:
            Reagan: 43.6%
            Obama: 66.2%
            National debt as % of GDP:
            Reagan: 52.6%
            Obama: >100%

            If you had any reading comprehension whatsoever, you’d see that your article confirms what I said, i.e., “President Obama contributed the most to the debt, with cumulative deficits totaling $5.073 trillion in just four years.”

            And what happened to your “Got us even more hooked on foreign oil (money)” comment?

            Of course, you leftist idiots forget that Reagan’s economic policies ushered in the longest sustained period of prosperity in US history.

            Median household income is down, poverty is up and getting worse. Yeah, the Great Obama and his socialist buddies have really done a great job.

          • Dave

            And you rightist idiots forgot that Reagan loosened credit regulations to mask the downward trend in middle class and poor buying power by making it easier to gain credit cards to hang yourself with. Those chickens came home to roost in 2007

            And if you had any reading comprehension whatsoever you would look into the details of the 5T dollars… 2 wars, the greatest recession since the depression which translates into less tax receipts and more service money outlays… then there was the continuing Bush tax cuts during the wars. Most of that was not Obama’s doing. Reagan cut taxes while increased spending and the size of the Fed Gov. He laid the groundwork for the collapse of 2007.

            Oil, read the article…. Carter wanted us to be energy independent and move towards clean energy. Reagan stopped all that and jumped in bed with big oil. Real smart.

          • Vigilant

            US dependence on foreign oil:
            Reagan: 43.6%
            Obama: 66.2%
            National debt as % of GDP:
            Reagan: 52.6%
            Obama: >100%

            NOTHING you said changes the FACTS of history, as shown above. Mince it, slice & dice it, rationalize all you want, YOU can’t change the statistics shown.

      • Brian

        The problem is I do not have time to protest be course I am buses trying to keep my job where the profession have pp that are on food stamps to do it for them

      • CintiCB

        I must admit, I kind of feel like I’m one of these ‘roadside sitters’, which is NOT my character. I even hesitate to sign petitions. I don’t want our ‘revenge’ president to ‘get even’ with me (or my family).
        Him telling his ‘voters’ to get their revenge (toward the end of his campaign) shows the level on which he thinks his ‘voters’ are-uncivilized and barbaric!!!

    • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear rbrooks,

      You write: “then offer no viable solutions.” I offer solutions all the time. It’s not my fault you’re not intelligent enough to see them.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • rbrooks

        yes bob. you offer solutions. solutions for bob.

        your rant was about solutions, or the lack of, for an entire country.

        there is not a significant difference between you and the other politicians.

        you point out obama is just as worthless as little bush. not a revelation. tho most of your faithful did not catch it.

        you offer no more than the politicians you rant about.

        you just want to change who is getting the money. and include yourself in those who no longer have to pay in.

        you are not offering viable solutions. neither was obama.

        • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

          Dear rbrooks,

          Are you a fool, or do you just pretend to be one here?

          Best wishes,
          Bob

          • rbrooks

            i am forced to work at the new low level of the author(s) and the majority of the posters. it is difficult.

            play ground taunts seem to work best here.

            a few, a very few, have made it to the sophomoric level.

            using a label is much easier than giving a factual, reasonable or even an opinionated response.

          • Vigilant

            “a few, a very few, have made it to the sophomoric level.”

            Why that’s quite a compliment! Best look up the word in the dictionary before you use it.

            I would call you more sophomoric than most, and that’s no compliment.

          • JeffH

            I’m sure that depends on how rbrooks earns his wages…trolling and shilling comes to mind.

          • WTS/JAY

            I don’t think he’s pretending!

        • Vigilant

          “you are not offering viable solutions. neither was obama.”

          Only the blissfully ignorant, insidiously mendacious or those with no proficiency in logic make statements such as that.

          DUH, logic dictates that the money printing needs to stop, that government back off on worthless expenditure of money on corporate cronyism, immediately withdraw from the wealth redistribution business and cease throwing roadblocks in the way of small business formation. In other words, just the opposite of what the government has been doing.

          Viable solutions have been offered MANY times on this site, by Mr. Livingston and others, and if you require a restatement of those solutions EVERY time an article is written, then a box of rocks would do better than you on an IQ test.

        • Vigilant

          “you are not offering viable solutions. neither was obama.”

          Only the blissfully ignorant, insidiously mendacious or those with no proficiency in logic make statements such as that.

          DUH, logic dictates that the money printing needs to stop, that government back off on worthless expenditure of money on corporate cronyism, immediately withdraw from the wealth redistribution business and cease throwing roadblocks in the way of small business formation. In other words, just the opposite of what the government has been doing.

          Viable solutions have been offered MANY times on this site, by Mr. Livingston and others, and if you require a restatement of those solutions EVERY time an article is written, then a box of rocks would do better than you on an IQ test.

        • CintiCB

          You got ONE thing right-‘neither w[h]as Obama’

      • CintiCB

        Well, Omuslim can absolutely, count on on his vote!!!

      • Dave

        Any that are reality based? You do a lot of name calling… belittling of Progressives/Liberals even though since 1980, the conservative movement as founded under Ronald Reagan has dominated economic policy.
        You do excel at throwing our red meat to those silly enough to believe everything you say.

        • WTS/JAY

          Dave: You do excel at throwing our red meat to those silly enough to believe everything you say.

          You mean like your Fascist-president does, Dave? Who’s only ability is in creating worthless-legislation? Ever thought of dislodging your cranium out of his rear-end, Dave?

          • Dave

            Give me examples of Obama’s fascism… I really do wish you boys could make up your minds… is Obama a fascist, a communist, a socialst/Marxist… You boys can never get your slander and lies straight.

          • smilee

            Oh your so smart! Only Congress can create legislation, it appears that is where you cranium is lodged

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      The solution was implied — Much Smaller Government.

      • rbrooks

        implied? a fluid and ambiguous term.
        much smaller govt. is a personal definition.

        what are you and bob afraid of?

        don’t imply. state it.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          rbrooks says — “what are you and bob afraid of?”.
          Certainly not your inane comments, rbrooks.

          • rbrooks

            my comments bother you enough that you want bob to remove me from this site.

            your personal definition of liberty & freedom.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Where did I say that, Liar?

          • rbrooks

            short memory eh davey.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            No, Flashy, it’s not. I will wait patiently for you to post evidence to support your lie.

          • rbrooks

            please hold your breath while waiting.

            or just ask bob to remove me, again.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Same old Flashy. Who do you think you fool, fool?

          • Dave

            How small should Gov be DaveH? Its an honest question. Since every other country has Gov intervention in their economies, trade etc… How small should the US Gov be?
            Lay it out for us in your own words.

          • WTS/JAY

            How big should Gov be Dave? Its an honest question. Since every other country has big-Gov intervention in their economies, trade etc… How big should the US Gov be?
            Lay it out for us in your own words.

          • Dave

            Gov should be just big enough to protect its citizens, promote the general welfare (includes making sure Corporations and Unions do not abuse their positions, setting education standards, making sure we have equality under the law, environmental regulations, trade regulations, workers rights and responsibilities, manage HC services to people, mitigating anti-trust issues…. Those are some large ones.

          • Bob666

            Yo Dave,
            Well stated!

          • WTS/JAY

            For a Socialist!

          • Dave

            Go back to school and learn what socialism is… Jay, you are being dumb even for a conservative and that is saying something.

          • WTS/JAY

            Where are the JOBS, Dave? People can’t live on worthless, Big-government regulations!

          • Dave

            Ask the House of Representatives and the Senate (you know, the people that make the laws) that question… BTW, the collpase of late 2007 was brought on by the relaxation of those regulations that conservatives hate so much.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I don’t see how my opinion on Government size would be of any use to you, but I think 1/8th the size they are now would be quite fine.
            Government’s only role should be to protect us from the Force of others, and NOT to protect us from ourselves.

          • Dave

            So even though every other country manipulates its currency, imposes trade regulations/sanctions/tariffs on others… you have not of that.
            So the US market can effectively regulate itself on matters of the environment, HC, worker conditions, credit, the stock market, the price of gold, silver… and on and on…
            Sure thing… lets do it tomorrow. Just tell me where and when this has worked out in the history of mankind please.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            That’s what amounts to correct behavior to you, Dave?
            Because everybody else does it?
            So, you would have discouraged Edison from inventing the lightbulb because no one else had done it before?
            As I’ve told you before, Dave, we have had Free Markets several times in history, but ruthless non-productive men (and women) always seek the easy route on the backs of others, so it is unusual for Free Markets to persist. If that’s the kind of condition you adore, that is your problem, not mine.
            http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/05/beware-the-psychopath-my-son/

            We did have nearly Free Markets in the 1800s. So by your standards, we should have never changed that, since non-Free Markets hadn’t been tried before in that century?
            Your logic is fallacious, Dave. You are reaching because you have no logical rebuts to the concept of Free Markets.

          • Dave

            Not during the industrial age we have not. We are far more engaged with the rest of the world that in the early 1800’s when we were still an agriculture based economy.
            We try to use your theory and countries that have a focused policy on trade, currency manipulation, low wages for workers will make matters worse in this country… (not that you care of course)
            You cannot give me any country in the modern industrial age that your theories have been implemented and have worked. It seems that what you want is a single world currency and single world Gov so we can put your theory to the test… I believe George H Bush called in a NWO.
            if that is what you are after, then at least be honest and say so. If the United States goes to your theory, you really think countries like China and India who’s cultures you have zero clue about will follow suit? Are you that naïve? Wait… of course you are… you are a Mises follower of economics.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Same dumb argument, over and over. The 1800s were well into the “industrial age” and it has nothing to do with anything whether we are in the “industrial age” or the “jet age” or any other age.
            Make up your mind, Dave, you’re flailing. One moment you say Free Markets have never existed, then when I call you on that you say at least not in the “industrial age”. Then you say “We try to use your theory”. You can’t have it both ways, Dave, even if you are a Liberal Progressive.

            But just for argument sake, let’s say you are right (you aren’t) and we’ve never had Free Markets. What we have had is example after example of failed Socialistic countries (USSR, China, Cuba, North Korea) and there is a clear inverse correlation between the percentage of Socialism in a country and their economy. So the system you advocate is a PROVEN failure.
            An intelligent person would seek something better than a proven failure.

          • WTS/JAY

            Poor Dave has no idea what he’s talking about, much less realizes that he contradicts himself with every nonsensical post he manages to type out. You are either debating with a mental patient or a high-school dropout, DaveH. Could be a combination of both, i suspect!

          • Dave

            Jay,
            You are about as useful in this discussion as a ugly cheerleader on the sidelines of a football game. If you need to fall into DaveH’s lap to congratulate him on how well his theory has not worked in the modern world, I am sure you can exchange addresses and you can get together to tell each other how great you both are to each other. DaveH I know would like that.

          • Dave

            Same lies over and over again… I do not advocate a socialist economy, never have never will.
            I have said “free markets” have never existed as you define them in the industrial age and the global economy.
            It is you that has no clue, you are not in business, you are a paid shill for Bob L and Mises and that much is clear. You posted a link to Gov spending recently (as if thast proves your arguement) and spending did not start spiking according to that graph, until we were inflicted by your conservative hero, Ronald Wison Reagan. He made us more addicted to foriegn oil, loosened credit regulations, gave everyone tax cuts while increasing spending and the size of the Fed Gov. He tripled our debt That is the legacy of mordern conservatism as practiced by the actor in chief and big bank puppet, Ronald Reagan.
            But to listen to your employer, Bob L, its all Obama’s, liberals, progressives fault… a conservative has had nothing to do with why our debt is so large. Obama somehow is a weak president on the one hand, and on the other has the supreme authoritarian ability to override the House of Representatives “NO” attitude and record filibusters since 2010 in the Senate.
            I do wish you could make up your minds…
            Mises is a joke when in comes to economics. I live it everyday… you and your heroes only think about your utopia that is not in the realm of realistic possibilities in a country with 300 Million people and the biggest economy in the world.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Dave says — “So the US market can effectively regulate itself on matters of the environment, HC, worker conditions, credit, the stock market, the price of gold, silver”.
            In Free Markets people would trade voluntarily with whoever they chose to trade with. The Government’s only role would be to legislate and litigate to protect people from the Force of others — i.e., trespass on their bodies and property, which would include companies that fraudulently advertised their products.
            There would be no regulations, only laws. Only people who had actually broken the law would be punished. Those people, who have done nobody any harm, wouldn’t have to jump through hoops like trained circus animals.
            Government would be 1/8 the size it is now and people would pocket that 7/8ths of extra money which would amount to about $17,000/year for the average person. That is plenty enough to buy insurance or whatever other ways they would choose to protect themselves.
            The real proof in the pudding would be to give people the choice of Dave’s Big Government or not, and see what the majority of individuals would do voluntarily.
            I know I would opt out.

          • WTS/JAY

            Himself!

    • smilee

      I believe he was a politician then crashed, want to tell us why?

  • Adolf Schmidt

    I agree Alondra!! Just gonna add, Obama imposed ” Executive Privilege” when Eric Holder was found in contempt during The Fast and Furious!! Former Ambassador Ann Wagner stated Obama, himself, gave the orders to stand down in Benghazi!

  • TheOriginalDaveH

    Ahh, yes, the next 5-year plan. It worked so well for the USSR. There is no way Government can predict what the needs, desires, and ambitions of 315 million individual people are going to be at any moment in time. Only the pricing mechanism of the Free Market, where people decide voluntarily what deals they will accept or offer, can come close to doing that.
    And unlike private businesses, where they please the customers or perish, the Government has no care of whether you are happy or you aren’t. Of course, I am excluding the Crony Capitalists, who have protection and aid from Government, and thus aren’t so concerned about pleasing their customers.

    • rbrooks

      the free market? lol. your low wage customer needs it to be free.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        LOL. An ignorant Liberal Progressive either speaks about that which he doesn’t understand, or he is one of the takers benefiting from the misery of the masses.
        For those people who would like to learn what Free Markets are all about and why they work:
        http://library.mises.org/books/Kel%20Kelly/The%20Case%20for%20Legalizing%20Capitalism.pdf

        Shed the Propaganda Blinders that have been put on you by self-interested Leaders and their paid misinformers.

        • rbrooks

          by your definition, you are a ignorant liberal progressive.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Speaking of paid misinformers — Heeeeeere’s Flashy.

  • Liberty Lover

    Obama doesn’t give a damn about the mostly white middle class except as a source of foolish, uninformed votes.

    • CintiCB

      He doesn’t truly care about the American blacks (in worse shape, now), either, except when it comes to getting their votes. He knows that they will suck up ANYTHING he says-no matter how ignorant, hypocritical, impossible, etc. Hey taxpayers, it’s partly our fault. For decades, we’ve financed this HUGE population of his ‘certain’ voters!! You know, the well educated/intelligent ‘people’ of this, once great, country. The Muslims aren’t stupid. They saw what the majority of the voting public was, so, they knew that their slave didn’t even know how to speak from his own brain or heart. His speeches are written for him by someone else. EVERYTHING is for effect (‘snow’ the dumbsh_ts), even the people who are seated behind him, during his speeches, are arranged. Hell, they even changed the venue of one of his ‘great’ speeches to a smaller place so they wouldn’t have to show all of the empty seats. I can hear his ‘voters’, now-‘See, he be’s popular + everyone love him. Dere ain’t be’s one empty seat in da whole place and look at all dose whites behind him’ DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUH!!!

  • Bernard Forand

    Senator Elizabeth Warren challenges the centrist democrats on the issues of inequality. Exposing the division within the democrats on the need for addressing the Inequality within our nation.
    Obama concurs with, when he said “ BUT- and here’s the big but- I’m here today to tell you that we’re not there yet” Obama is expanding his comment from his original financial text to illuminate us to the dangers of The Price Of Inequality as the wealthy are doing better while the middle class is degenerating and the roles of the impoverished are escalating.
    Liberal left contend, that with Detroit’s bankruptcy and the degeneration of class mobility is so severe that it is the moral imperative for the democrats to become identified as the champion against austerity’s inequality policies of the republicans, as well as, from some of their own centrist democrats. Stressing that the ever increasing Price Of Inequality will be a crippling cancerous growth that will terminate the American way of life.
    Democrats cohesion on the cultural elements, that once divided the party, is now passé
    Issues on gun reforms, gays rights, and immigration have faded into a cohesive unified democratic comprehension, of the quality it promotes to their progressive beneficial nature. Divisions as late as 1990 on these issues have been laid to rest. Now they will debate how best to advance their progressive beneficial ideologies to serve their constituents, on this disparity of inequality, within the financial income infrastructure.
    Republican party is presently divided. Traditionalist conservatives distancing themselves from their ideologue extremist. Exposing potential fatal flaw for their bid for the 2016 elections. Republican’s continuous austerity policies will be exposed to attack. Resulting in a common ground for the democrats to rally upon. Progression against inequality will be a favorable political discourse, for the emerging candidates and their pursuits to enforce agendas that discredits increasing inequality, will be compatible with the majority of the nations populace. Resentment of the overwhelming abuses of the 1% towards their fellow citizens have been exposed. Austerity through out the world is presently degenerating, in its acceptance, as a viable means of addressing the issues of inequality.
    A rising champion for the middle class consumer and its laborers’, Elizabeth Warren. Former Harvard professor and the architect for a consumer protection agency has won the senior senators seat as a freshman for Massachusetts, in the 2012 elections. Austerity supporters shutter at the mention of her name. Fluent in the jargon of the Wall Street and too big to fail banks. Exposing and illuminating the flaws that presently exist within them.
    Two issues she is addressing; 1] the plight of our college students loans and the enormous debt they shackle our graduates. Elizabeth contends that students loans should be at the same interest rate {0.75%} that the Federal Reserve extends to the bank. She voted against the July bipartisan compromise on the Federal student loan-irritating some of her senior democratic colleagues. Students loans will rank up there as comparable to the what the draft was for our generation.
    2] Reviving the dormant Glass Stegall as an issue, that present senior democrats have been reluctant to review. Demanding we return to the regulations that existed from the F.D.R. administration. Those regulations stopped the cycle of up and down bust of the banking industries. Waterdown of their provisions, by the republicans once again began to show the up down cycle returning, until its total repeal in 1999 which reignited the failures of banks.
    Hillary Clinton / Elizabeth Warren ticket will be a most formidable political contender-ship for the 2016 elections. Unifying a progressive leadership advocating reforms to inequality.
     
     
      

  • Bernard Forand

    Lost jobs stagnate wages for the past 30 to 40years for laborers, lost of homes to 8 million American families, college graduates burden with thousands id no tens of thousands and unable to find employment, land of the improvised expanding to over lap the middle class. Just a few questions that have not been addressed. What ever could have produced such a scenario? Has it ever occurred before? Could it come to occur again? Who is the advocate for such ideologies that can continuously produce this cycle? Fi8rst let us identify the culprit or culprits. The Cause…
    Precisely the results of the price for inequality. Right wing austerity policies have driven the America land of opportunity to the realms of a land of mythology.
    C The Gini Coefficient
    Gini is a measurement that is used to identify, mathematically, the inequality of individual nations. A rating of one {1} is considered perfect inequality, as a rating of zero {0} is perfect equality.
    Nations such as Germany, Norway and Sweden have a Gini of .3 or less.
    South Africa and Latin America have a .5 or above.
    USA’s Gini in 1980 was .4 Presently it is at 4.7. This is according to the U.N.’s data. Rendering the USA in the category of nations such as Iran and Turkey.
    USA’s inequality may be even worse than what the Gini indicates. In the advanced industrial nations, such as may be found in Europe and Scandinavian, their citizens have Universal Education, Universal Health Care from birth to death and large safety nets for securing the laborer’s income security. Where in as the USA, middle class on down have none of these benefits or a small fraction there of. Increasing the insecurity of their citizens in their jobs, homes, education and health.
    Insecurity is manifested and fueled by the inequality factor. Greater the inequality the greater is the demise of that nation’s ability to survive in competition with an advanced industrial opponent. Insecurity will manifest in emotional dysfunctional laborers, quick to rebel. Productivity decreases.
    Simply look around to the various nations and observe. Observe those that had a less or NO recessions and grew say during 2000 and 2013 that would be a good indicator they are doing something better than US… Sweden is but one example where you could start.
    Lets emulate our forefathers of 1773 and gather up the Tea and cast it out unto the waters of political oblivion come 2014.… Be There!

  • Ron r

    Threw me for a minute Bob, almost forgot this is birther HQs.

    • CintiCB

      You, always, ‘down’ the birther. Being the OBVIOUS Einstein that you are, why don’t you coach your intelligent Muslim. Tell him that if he’s going to ‘produce’ something from years ago, that he should use the same things that actually existed at the time. Your con boys’ ‘birth certificate’ was printed in a way that did not even exist, at the time!!! Real genius!!! In case he tries again, advise him to, also, use the kind of paper that was used at the time that his ‘birth certificate’ was (supposedly) issued. Try, also, to convince him that not EVERY single American is as ignorant as his typical ‘voter!!!

    • WTS/JAY

      Threw me for a minute, Ron, almost forgot you’re an idiot!

      • Ron r

        Funny, I always knew you were and idiot . You’re a birther.

  • Bernard Forand

    A vast arena circles Washington’s politics with an atmosphere of carnival energies and a smorgasbord of various agendas, proposals, desires and opportunities. Clowns to intercept and distract the populace from the serious issues of their days. Producing nonexistent scandals or plot to undermine each other, all for the amusement of the audience. Confronting The Price Of Inequality within their lives is not to be mentioned. Distract, evade and deceive the audiences, that all is just fine, with the world, sit back and enjoy.
    President Obama can be heard in the distance slightly above the din of noisy distractions. Crying out to the adults within these audiences to take care. Warning of pending storms a coming, to rain on the Foxy Pied Pipers parades.
    Rolling rumbling thundering reality of globalization, arc’s of lightning technological change and in this confusion the audience’s adult pockets are being picked to satisfy the desires, of a few, of the corrupted villains, lurking in the shadows.
    Foreboding words are warning of this Washington carnival. Obama declares; “Washington has taken its eyes of the ball” further addressing the audience “and I am here to say this needs to stop”!
    Once upon a time “America The Land Of Opportunity” rang through out the world has been replaced with the “Myth Of America”! Education constantly eroding under the various republican storms leaving in its aftermath stifling heated humid fungus infecting “Inequality” Over a century of constant erosion has delivered US to the edge of desolation row, the worlds darken back alleys, where pickpocketer’s refine their trade. Paying their protective masters a large portion of their illicit gains, with no returns to the victims other than to have lightened their load of wealth from them.
    Once again the ring master calls out the Foxy Pied Piper to lead the parade under these gathering stormy clouds. Festival enticingly the audience to forget all about your cares and woes. Who wants to build roads, power grids, schools, health centers, retirement packages, universal education for the children, and so on and so on. These are so boringly of reality. Now listen to the enchanting melodies of the Foxy Pied Pipers tune’s of A La Propaganda. Everything is all right just sit back and relax.
    Master of ceremonies proudly shouts we will decrease your sovereignties laws, shackling you from enjoying our carnivals. Why pay them when you can spend here and enjoy? Come one come all. The show is about to begin. Today’s show will be the “Magic of Aristocratic Benefits” across the fairway we have the sacred hall of Kings, Emperors and their puppet show of their dictators waltz.
    Price you may ask? Fear not put on credit and we will collect it at a later time with a slight interest charge of 400% . Out of work? Don’t worry we can surely come to some arrangements for your desolation. Come work for us. We have accommodations for your picking down on desolation row. Where the ever increasing populace whistles their tunes of “ Lord don’t call me, for I owe my soul to the companies store”!
     
     
     
      
     
      

  • nobaloneyhere

    This comes as no surprise to me. Obama has hated the United States for as long as he’s been able to do so. His “transformation” of America is nearing completion. He wants to turn us into a fifth-rate country. Read his books. He’s been anti-American since he was a teenager.

    • NickCzudy

      NoBaloney. and Mr. Livingston. You are both full of baloney. Where did you pull the comment that Obama hates the US? Did you pull that out of your a$$? This is a GOP mantra that by saying it enough, the right wing base eats it up. The rest of Americans are not blind. The effort that Obama has put into his agenda shows exactly how much he cares for the USA and Americans. Why do the GOP and RIght Wing Bubble people keep spouting ridiculous lies?

      The GOP are responsible for the current state of affairs and the decline of the middle class. Name one thing that the GOP have done to better the lives of the middle class or to increase their wages. Trickle down economics have been shown to absolutely not work. That is the GOP plan. Make life miserable to the middle class and make them pay more of their money to taxes than the top 1% pay. Their plan is to keep the middle class poor by giving breaks to the wealthy, so that they can move their factories overseas and put their money in Cayman Banks instead of investing it in America.
      Rather then be good sports for losing the last election, they would rather see Americans suffer and the economy fail than to make good policy decisions. Obstruction is all they know. They do not have a single good idea that will help the economy. Their purpose is to make the economy fail and then blame it on Obama. Most Americans are not stupid. They can see this and will never elect republicans again. The current GOP party is a party of fringe lunatics and you are crazy to elect them and think that they will solve our problems.
      You are also crazy to listen to right wing zealots like Mr. Livingston. They have absolutely no intelligent thing to say. How stupid are you to listen to him and eat up his Bull Sh!t?
      best regards
      Nick Czudy

      • securityman

        nick, you really know where your bread comes from, don’t you? you set back and let obummer and his cronies do everything for you and keep you going with no effort on your part well, I hopew you are still ” doing nothing” when obummerys that it’s time to convert to islam and become a puppet of the muslims. but you will probably just turn around and bend over for your hero and his idiots. all I can say is good luck to you. as for me and mine, we will stay free even if we have to die doing it!!!!!!!!!!!

      • Frank Kahn

        We are all just, still waiting, for a good policy idea to appear, so we can accept it.

        • smilee

          Haven’t you heard of Obamacare??

          • Frank Kahn

            Yes, we have all heard of Obamacare, the problem is that stupidity in liberals, like you, fails to accept the fact that it is just possibly the worst economic disaster that he has forced on us.

          • smilee

            Just your opinion and I believe you are wrong. The same was said about Medicare after it was passed and before it was fully in force and when people learned what it really was they came to like it and the same is true here. Conservatives worst fears are that when Obamacare gets to that point the public will like it as much as they now like Medicare. What we have in the health care insurance industry today outside medicare supplement insurances are an economic disaster now and this will improve that and now a way has to be found to reduce the cost of actual health care itself as Obamacare does little to address that as we can no longer afford to pay about double for our health as other counties it is fixable if conservative would quit obstructing that and only looking out for the profits of health care and not recipient of it,

          • Frank Kahn

            I would like to say it is not an opinion, but in reality, everything you believe is based on opinion. Your opinion on the disaster called obamacare is even more wrong than mine. Mainly because you base yours on some lofty la la land idea that people will eventually like being forcibly raped by the insurance companies. The ACA does nothing to help the current system, it simply makes the majority of people pay more for their coverage so that a few people, with high risk problems, can get insurance. Your insane comparison to medicare is so wrong it is stupid. Medicare is not forced on anyone, it is voluntary, that makes it apples and oranges to the tyrannical imposition of obamacare. And, depending on the rules of the state, Medicare is even worse than not having any insurance. My sister died of brain cancer. The state offered to pay the cost of treatment but they stole everything she owned to pay their cost. She got no benefit from the medicare ripoff. And her children lost their entire inheritance.

            On the next issue, you are on the right track but you use liberal stupidity to think that obamacare does ANYTHING to fix the cost problem. Obamacare is not affordable health care, it is affordable healthcare insurance for high risk citizens. Health care insurance is one of the major problems with the cost of health care, so it is stupid to force everyone to support the problem. Fix the problem, and to do that get rid of all the moronic liberals (you included), and start doing what needs to be done. It is not a conservative problem. It is a government / lawyer problem.

          • smilee

            You certainly have no understanding of either medicare or obamacare. Medicare Part A is for everyone, Part B,C &D are voluntary but all wage earners have tax deductions all their life weather they take the voluntary ones or not. Medicare does not operate under the rules of the state. You confused it with medicaid which is regulated by the states and they are allowed to collect up to the amount they paid for you from your assets and/or estate. She got hospital coverage and could of had all paid if she had taken part B and a supplement insurance except long term nursing home care. Medicare B is currently $104.90 per month and supplement insurance is quite reasonable too and if you have both every thing is paid for with rare exceptions. Time will prove you wrong over time with obamacare and if you understood Medicare you would know it is the biggest bang for you buck on the health care insurance market today and the best coverage if you set it up right. Try and get by cheap before you need services and it can it costly but that is your choice as Medicare offers great coverage at a reasonable cost. I know I pay it every month.

          • Frank Kahn

            Okay, you are right, I mixed up medicaid, which is fn worthless with medicare which is next to worthless.

            I know exactly what bull sh1t obamacare is, and so does everyone else that has half a brain, you don’t quite fit that measure.

            “You certainly have no understanding of either medicare or obamacare. ”

            You need to stop pretending to know how to associate simple errors with major ignorance.

            “Medicare Part A is for everyone, Part B,C &D are voluntary but all wage earners have tax deductions all their life weather they take the voluntary ones or not.”

            Retired or disabled only. And it is not a tax deduction, get a dictionary. It is a theft of wages.

            “Medicare does not operate under the rules of the
            state. You confused it with medicaid which is regulated by the states and they are allowed to collect up to the amount they paid for you from your assets and/or estate. ”

            “She got hospital coverage and could of hadall paid if she had taken part B ”

            MAYBE YOU THINK I AM STUPID, IT IS NOT TRUE. MY SISTER WAS RAPED BY MEDICAID NOT MEDICARE. SINCE MEDICAID IS JUST AN ACCEPTED WAY FOR STATES TO STEAL THE CITIZENS WEALTH, IT GIVES YOU EVERYTHING FOR ONE SIMPLE RAPING OF EVERYTHING YOU OWN.

            “and a supplement insurance except longterm nursing home care. Medicare B is currently $104.90 per month andsupplement insurance is quite reasonable too and if you have both everything is paid for with rare exceptions. ”

            SINCE MY SISTER WAS RAPED BY MEDICAID, LETS SWITCH TO RAPING OF MY MOTHER, SHE HAS ALL THAT SH1TTY MEDICARE CRAP. AND SHE EVEN TRIED TO SURVIVE THE SUPPLEMENTAL INSURANCE SCAM TOO. IT WOULD APPEAR THAT MY MOMS MEDICAL PROBLEMS ARE ALL THE EXCEPTIONS THAT YOU CLAIM ARE SO RARE.

            “Time will prove you wrong overtime with obamacare”

            TIME WILL NOT CHANGE THE FACT THAT 98% OF EVERY CITIZEN WILL HAVE TO PAY HIGHER PREMIUMS TO SUBSIDIZE THE REQUIREMENT OF INSURANCE COMPANIES INSURING HIGH RISK OUTRAGEOUS COST PEOPLE.

            “and if you understood Medicare you would know it is

            the biggest bang for you buck on the health care insurance market today and the best coverage if you set it up right. Try and get by cheap before you need services and it can it costly but that is your choice as
            Medicare offers great coverage at a reasonable cost. I know I pay it every month.”

            AH YES, MEDICARE DOESN’T JUST RAPE THE CITIZENS IT RAPES EVERYONE IN THE MEDICAL PROFESSION AS WELL. MEDICARE IS TYRANNICAL IN ITS FORCING DOCTORS AND HOSPITALS TO ACCEPT MINIMAL, AND SOMETIMES BELOW COST PAYMENT FOR SERVICES. AND THE SUPPLEMENTAL INSURANCE IS CHEAP BECAUSE THEY ONLY HAVE TO COVER A PERCENTAGE OF THE 10% OF THE ACTUAL COST OF THE PROCEDURES. AND YOU FORGOT TO CONTINUE ON TO THAT WORTHLESS PART THAT COVERS A MINOR PORTION OF PRESCRIPTION MEDICATIONS. IT ONLY PAYS FOR GENERICS AND DOESN’T PAY ANYTHING ON NEW RELEASED (EXPERIMENTAL) DRUGS. MANY TIMES MY MOTHERS DOCTOR HAS TO GIVE HER SAMPLES OF THE MEDICINES BECAUSE MEDICARE WONT PAY THE COST OF A PRESCRIPTION. WHILE HAVING EVERY PART OF THE MEDICARE PLAN, HER MONTHLY OUT OF POCKET EXPENSES WAS ALMOST $500, MOSTLY FOR MEDICINE. YES, SUCH A GREAT DEAL, BIGGEST BANG (RAPE) FOR THE BUCK.

          • smilee

            Sorry but I though it was not necessary to make clear all referred to anyone not retired or disabled as I assumed that was something all understodd and thus not necessary. Medicaid was a good program until the GOP congress in the nineties gave it to the states with a block grant to administer under state rule so some states screw their population and some not so much but it was a mistake as most GOP polices are so I agree with you on this. I was comparing Medicare to private plans and in that comparison it is a bang for your buck, Many and not all of health care providers are over paid and corporate profits from them are absurd and the biggest reason for high cost of health care and medicare is more reasonable despit gop attempts in 04 to defund it and all

          • smilee

            OOPS, continued here:

            defund it and they passed a series of cuts in an attempt to drive doctors out of medicare which would make it history thorough the back door raiding of it. Every time the cut came up congress repealed it except the final one which is a part of sequestration and that cut will be imposed. AS long as the GOP wants to ruin medicare it will be hard to administer it as it should be run and then it will work as designed. The things medicare does not cover is minor things all the major ones are but if you do not choose a supplement plan that fill all the gaps it can get expensive and even worse if you do not buy supplement plan then it can get real expensive if you have have major heath problems but these are outcomes you have control over as it is your choice if if you choose badly it can get expensive but that was your choice. There are part 4 plans that pay for all types of prescriptions and you can change these every year, generic drugs usually have the lower copays but you only pay a copay on all again it your choice of plan, You do not seem to understand that. We will disagree on how good or bad all these plans are but all in my opinion are better than any alternative out there for those not eligible for Medicare.

          • Frank Kahn

            There is some truth in the problems you state. However, you fail, again, because you insist on blaming the GOP instead of government. I don’t pretend that conservatives are totally blameless, in what government does. I will not accept any stupidity of claiming it is all their fault either. While, the mainstream liberal policies, about morality, are pathetic and insane, I will not say that all liberals are insane, just those that push the insane agenda talking points.

            One of the problems, with government, is that they try to fix a problem by throwing special privileges at a specific group of citizens. The resulting effects on the rest of the citizens (unforeseen consequences) is never considered properly. This, in my opinion, is the problem with PPACA, it attempts to give special privileges to a small group, without consideration of the consequences to the rest.

            I will explain my thoughts on this using some of your post.

            ” I was comparing Medicare to private plans and in that comparison it is a bang for your buck, ”

            While the premise, giving those less capable of paying an affordable method of receiving medical care, is a good thing, the method of achieving it is not. It is an intrusion on market forces. By forcing the medical establishment to accept extremely lower payments for medicare patients, they force everyone else to pay higher cost to subsidize the loss. This is why you see your “bigger bang for your buck” in using medicare as opposed to regular insurance. To explain this in other terms, I will use an analogy that is ridiculous but would be the same if it was implemented. Lets say that minorities cannot afford the cost of purchasing a new car. The government sees the need for reliable new vehicle transportation as a necessity. They decide that all new car dealers must sell new cars, to minorities, at half the cost for other customers. In theory, this is good, it gives minorities the ability to purchase what rich non-minorities have. But, since it did nothing to reduce the cost of making the cars, the non-minorities must now pay higher prices to make up for the loss. You cannot fix the problem, in either case, by a knee jerk government involvement that simply gives benefits to a specific group of people.

            “Many and not all of health care providers are over paid and corporate profits from them are absurd and the biggest reason for high cost of health care and medicare is more reasonable despit gop attempts in 04 to defund it and all”

            Once again, you confuse cost of a product or service with the method of payment. Medicare does not reduce the cost of health care, it reduces the cost of paying for health care for a select group of people. To fix (reduce the actual cost) the system you need to address the actual causes. Greed is the main cause, but it is not just corporate. It is also personal greed of the professionals, lawyers, educators and government. Everyone wants to get their “fair share” of the pie. The more people getting a slice of the pie, the bigger the pie must be. Making more people pay the cost of making the pie, does nothing to reduce the size of the pie.

          • smilee

            The difference is you believe we should not intrude on market forces and I believe that is what we have to if we really want to solve the problem and Obamacare is only the first step in that direction. Almost every country has now done that and most use single payer plans that makes every group the same so there then there would be no (what you call) privileged groups and they have found that this cut the cost of medical care down by almost half in all cases. Every insurance company determines it premiums based mostly of the pool size covered on their plan and the bigger the pool the lower the price and that is the thinking behind single payer as the whole country is included in one pool. Other countries vary but all have better coverage and some 100%. That is the best way to solve cost and not underpay the providers. I agree greed is main cost and it includes the providers themselves whom you left out. And remove the profits you remove the greed as other countries have found out by the large reduction in costs they have experienced and 36 countries have even shown better outcomes than us. We need to think of health care as we do police and fire etc as a right and there for everyone before we can solve the cost problem.

            Medicare sure it provides no medical service and is a public insurance and it does set limits of which it pays 80% of that amount and if you have supplement insurance they pay 20% and under federal rues they can exceed the medicare amount by 15% unless the states you live in has laws against it and mine does. An example I had two doctor appointments in two different facilities and the one charged $100.00 for a visit the other $225.00 for a visit and both billed medicare under the same code number and medicare paid $79.00 as its 80% share in both cases paid an additional 20% so that is roughly an additional 8 or 9 dollars was paid by the supplemental insurance. The one that charged the most is a large corporate company and the other a private business and the private business was a specialized doctor and the corporate one was not. What is wrong with this picture. The press recent;y made a big issue on charges from one hospital to another and found charges varied by thousands of dollars for the same services. Corporate greed seems to be the reason for over a 100% difference in charges in my case..

            Like you said your car comparison is ridiculous and it does not illuminate anything.

            The current republicans if you watch their actions and not their words you will know that if they ever get the power they will repeal or privatize and gut all medicaid, medicare, social security, Obamacare etc as their only goal is to not intrude on market forces and subject all these plans to higher costs with lowered benefits if they do not dump them all together and this of course will not do the job necessary to accomplish the goals of all these programs, At least be honest either do it right or do not do it at all.

          • Frank Kahn

            You will never amount to anything because you are too stupid to live.

            “The difference is you believe we should not intrude on market forces and I believe that is what we have
            to if we really want to solve the problem and Obamacare is only the first step in that direction. ”

            NO, DUMBASS, THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT I BELIEVE IN FREEDOM AND A REPUBLIC AND YOU BELIEVE IN COMMUNISTIC TYRANNY. YES, OBAMACARE IS ONLY THE FIRST STEP TOWARDS TOTAL DICTATORIAL RULE, MAYBE YOU SHOULD GO TO RUSSIA OR NORTH KOREA, I HEAR THEY BELIEVE IN THE SAME THING YOU DO.

            “Almost every country has now done that and most use single payer plans that makes every group the same so there then there would be no (what you call) privileged groups and they have found that this cut the cost of medical care down by almost half in all cases.”

            AND IN 99.9999% OF THE CASES HEALTHCARE IS ABYSMAL. DIFFICULT TO OBTAIN TIMELY HEALTHCARE AND REDUCTION IN QUALITY. YOU MIGHT FIND SOME CASES WHERE QUALITY IS STILL ACCEPTABLE BUT YOU NEED TO CHECK THE BIG SINGLE PAYER SYSTEMS AND THEIR ABYSMAL FAILURE. RUSSIA IS A PRIME EXAMPLE. FREE HEALTH CARE FOR ANYONE. WELL, FREE TO GO TO DOCTOR, NOT NECESSARILY CARE. THE COMMON PEOPLE FEARED FOR THEIR LIVES WHEN THEY WERE FORCED TO GO TO THE HOSPITAL. THE RICH GOT THE BEST CARE IMAGINABLE, BUT IF YOU WERE POOR YOU DIED. INFANT MORTALITY FOR THE POOR WAS STAGGERING.

            “Every insurance company determines it premiums based mostly of the pool size covered on their plan and the bigger the pool the lower the price ”

            PARTIALLY RIGHT, THE LARGER THE POOL OF LOW RISK POLICY HOLDERS LESSENS THE COST FOR ALL, BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT OBAMACARE, OR UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE DOES. IT FORCES THE COMPANY TO ADD HIGH RISK PEOPLE AT THE SAME COST OF THE LOW RISK. THIS INCREASES THE PREMIUM COST FOR THE LOW RISK MEMBERS AND LOWERS THE COST FOR THE HIGH RISK. NOT A DESIRABLE SITUATION UNLESS YOU ARE THAT HIGH RISK MEMBER.

            “and that is the thinking behind single payer as the whole country is included in one pool. Other countries vary but all have better coverage and some 100%. ”

            ONCE AGAIN, YOU MINDLESS MORON, THE SIZE OF THE INSURANCE POOL DOES NOT CHANGE THE ACTUAL COST OF THE MEDICAL CARE GIVEN.

            “That is the best way to solve cost and not underpay the providers. ”

            ANYTIME AN IGNORANT LIBERAL DECIDES WHAT IS ACCEPTABLE COMPENSATION FOR A GOOD OR SERVICE, IT IS WRONG. IF THE MARKET SAYS THE PROVIDER CAN BE PAID X AMOUNT THEN IT IS NONE OF YOUR DAMN BUSINESS TO SAY HE DESERVES LESS.

            “I agree greed is main cost and it includes the providers themselves whom you left out. ”

            I DID NOT LEAVE THEM OUT, I SIMPLY INCLUDED THE OTHER MAJOR PLAYERS IN THE EQUATION.

            “And remove the profits you remove the greed as”

            WRONG, REMOVE PROFIT AND YOU REMOVE THE INCENTIVE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE ENDEAVOR.

            “other countries have found out by the large
            reduction in costs they have experienced and 36 countries have even shown better outcomes than us. ”

            36 COUNTRIES BENEFIT FROM OUR CITIZENS SUBSIDIZING THEIR HEALTHCARE COST THROUGH OUR PAYMENT OF HIGHER COST FOR RESEARCH AND LITIGATION.

            “We need to think of health care as we do police and fire etc as a right and there for everyone before we can solve the cost problem. ”

            WRONG, YOU DON’T PAY FOR THE RIGHT, YOU PAY FOR THE PRIVILEGE. I DON’T OWN PROPERTY IN MY CITY SO I DON’T PAY TAXES THAT SUPPORT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, SCHOOLS OR POLICE. I DON’T HAVE A MEDICAL CONDITION THAT REQUIRES HIGH COST TREATMENT SO I SHOULD NOT BE REQUIRED TO PAY FOR AN OTHERS PRIVILEGE TO GET THAT TREATMENT.

            “Medicare sure it provides no medical service and is a public insurance and it does set limits of which it pays 80% of that amount and if you have supplement insurance they pay 20% and under federal rues
            they can exceed the medicare amount by 15% unless the states you live in has laws against it and mine does. An example I had two doctor appointments in two different facilities and the one charged $100.00 for
            a visit the other $225.00 for a visit and both billed medicare under the same code number and medicare paid $79.00 as its 80% share in both cases paid an additional 20% so that is roughly an additional 8 or 9
            dollars was paid by the supplemental insurance. The one that charged the most is a large corporate company and the other a private business and
            the private business was a specialized doctor and the corporate one was not. What is wrong with this picture. ”

            WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE PICTURE IS TWO FOLD. YOU FAIL TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE OVERHEAD OF THE TWO ENTITIES. THE CORPORATION HAS A HIGHER OPERATIONS COST SO IT MUST CHARGE A HIGHER FEE TO OBTAIN THE SAME LEVEL OF PROFIT FOR THE PROVIDER. THIS SUPPORTS MY CONTENTION THAT IT IS NOT JUST THE PROVIDERS GREED THAT IS THE PROBLEM. THE CORPORATIONS HIGHER OVERHEAD INCLUDES ITS NEED FOR LAWYERS AND OTHER PERSONNEL TO FEND OF LITIGATION.

            “The press recent;y made a big issue on charges from one hospital to another and found charges varied
            by thousands of dollars for the same services. ”

            THERE ARE COST INCLUDED IN THE SERVICES THAT ARE FROM UNRELATED EXPENSES OF THE HOSPITAL. TO SIMPLY SAY THAT BOTH ARE HOSPITALS AND THEY PERFORMED THE SAME SERVICE IS MYOPIC. ONE OF THEM MAY HAVE MUCH MORE HIGH TECH DIAGNOSTIC EQUIPMENT THAT IS SUPER EXPENSIVE. THE COST OF THAT EQUIPMENT IS ROLLED INTO THE PRICE OF SERVICES. IF THE OTHER HOSPITAL IS A SMALL, LESS ADVANCED TECHNOLOGICALLY, HOSPITAL, THEY WOULD HAVE LESS EXPENSES TO RAISE THEIR PRICES.

            “Corporate greed seems to be the reason for over a 100% difference in charges in my case..”

            GREED MAY OR MAY NOT BE THE UNDERLYING CAUSE. IT MIGHT BE A MORE COMPLEX PROBLEM CAUSED BY MASSIVE ORGANIZATIONAL COSTS.

            “Like you said your car comparison is ridiculous and it does not illuminate anything.”

            GO FRACK YOURSELF, MY COMPARISON WAS FINELY TUNED FOR THE PURPOSE I USED IT. YOUR PERSONAL LIBERAL STUPIDITY AND MORONIC OPINION IS WHAT IS THE PROBLEM.

            “The current republicans if you watch their actions and not their words ”

            IF YOU WATCH THE ACTIONS OF THE LIBERALS, WELL AND EVEN PAY ATTENTION TO THEIR WORDS, YOU WILL SEE THE TRUE ANTI AMERICAN TYRANNY THEY WISH TO HAVE INTERCOURSE WITH.

            “you will know that if they ever get the power they will repeal or privatize and gut all medicaid, medicare, social security, Obamacare etc as their only goal is to not intrude on market forces and subject all these plans to higher costs with lowered benefits if they do not dump them all together and this of course will not do the job necessary to accomplish the goals of all these programs, At least be honest either do it right or do not do it at all.”

            YADA YADA YADA, LIBERAL CRAP ON A PLATTER. MEDICAID IS DESTRUCTIVE OF PERSONAL WEALTH AND SHOULD BE ABOLISHED. MEDICARE DESTROYS THE MARKETS ABILITY TO SELF CORRECT AND SHOULD BE ABOLISHED OR FORCED TO OPERATE UNDER MARKET PRESSURES. HIGHER COSTS AND LOWER BENEFITS IS NOT HOW THE MARKET FORCES WORK, THAT IS JUST A MORONIC LIBERAL CRAP FEST OF LIES.

            AND YES, IF THE LIBERALS CANT DO IT RIGHT (AND THEY NEVER HAVE) THEN THEY SHOULD, AT A MINIMUM, GET OUT OF THE WAY, IF THEY WANT TO DO THE WORLD A FAVOR, THEY SHOULD COMMIT EXTREME LATE TERM SELF ABORTIONS.

          • smilee

            The difference is you believe we should not intrude on market forces and I believe that is what we have to if we really want to solve the problem and Obamacare is only the first step in that direction. Almost every country has now done that and most use single payer plans that makes every group the same so there then there would be no (what you call) privileged groups and they have found that this cut the cost of medical care down by almost half in all cases. Every insurance company determines it premiums based mostly of the pool size covered on their plan and the bigger the pool the lower the price and that is the thinking behind single payer as the whole country is included in one pool. Other countries vary but all have better coverage and some 100%. That is the best way to solve cost and not underpay the providers. I agree greed is main cost and it includes the providers themselves whom you left out. And remove the profits you remove the greed as other countries have found out by the large reduction in costs they have experienced and 36 countries have even shown better outcomes than us. We need to think of health care as we do police and fire etc as a right and there for everyone before we can solve the cost problem.

            Medicare sure it provides no medical service and is a public insurance and it does set limits of which it pays 80% of that amount and if you have supplement insurance they pay 20% and under federal rues they can exceed the medicare amount by 15% unless the states you live in has laws against it and mine does. An example I had two doctor appointments in two different facilities and the one charged $100.00 for a visit the other $225.00 for a visit and both billed medicare under the same code number and medicare paid $79.00 as its 80% share in both cases paid an additional 20% so that is roughly an additional 8 or 9 dollars was paid by the supplemental insurance. The one that charged the most is a large corporate company and the other a private business and the private business was a specialized doctor and the corporate one was not. What is wrong with this picture. The press recent;y made a big issue on charges from one hospital to another and found charges varied by thousands of dollars for the same services. Corporate greed seems to be the reason for over a 100% difference in charges in my case..

            Like you said your car comparison is ridiculous and it does not illuminate anything.

            The current republicans if you watch their actions and not their words you will know that if they ever get the power they will repeal or privatize and gut all medicaid, medicare, social security, Obamacare etc as their only goal is to not intrude on market forces and subject all these plans to higher costs with lowered benefits if they do not dump them all together and this of course will not do the job necessary to accomplish the goals of all these programs, At least be honest either do it right or do not do it at all.

      • Eagle525

        Nick Czudy: A word of advice …. read Obamas books. Once you do that you will understand that Obama is an admitted racist, and at a minimum, a muslim sympathizer and a Marxist. These are his admissions made very clear in his writings. As far as the GOP and trickle down economics: Your words parrot the socialist progressive talking points and have presented nothing new. Your need to resort to name calling of those who do not agree with you is typical of a liberal democrat who has run out of intelligent, factual commentary which is indicative of your pathetic state of being; thus making you the perfect poster child for the Democrat Socialist Party (DSP) agenda.

      • Truthful

        Nick, with the nation wrapped up all good what on earth are you doing wasting your time with us right wing zealots???????

      • JeffH

        Oh yes Obama does hate America…why do you think he was the “chosen one” mentored for this job…to take over and fundamentally changethe American dream of a chicken in every pot, a car in ever garage and a house with a white picket fence.

        If you had any doubts that President Obama is a Marxist, you can put them aside. He was what has come to be called “a red diaper baby”, raised, mentored, and steeped in the socialist ideology that calls for a “redistribution of wealth.”

        Needless to say, he did not make much mention of this during the 2008 campaign, but then neither did Hillary Clinton who, along with Slick Willy, subscribes to a similar political agenda.

        Using Saul Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals” as their guide, “progressives” (otherwise known as communists) have, since the 1970s, been boring from within, hiding their anti-American beliefs and allegiances to infiltrate the nation’s universities, its media, and to gain power in its various levels of government.

        The Congressional Progressive Caucus is the largest of the Democrat Party caucuses in the House of Representatives with 83 declared members. Suffice it to say they wield a lot of power. Of the twenty standing committees
        in the House, ten are chaired by members of the CPC.

        They have now hit the jackpot with Barack Obama as President.
        http://factsnotfantasy.blogspot.com/2010/05/does-obama-hate-america.html

        • boyscout

          I am very tire of hearing that Obama is the worst POTUS.
          If anything, he is the worst YET. And this is only possible because of the ground work laid out by previous impostors to the title. Given the nature and extent of Corporatist sponsorship as well as actual control of government I see no way to vote our way out of the quagmire. Expect worse to come.

      • TombstoneLizard

        Nick, ALL of the top-tier leaders are crooks. And yes, even as a Republican, I am pointing fingers back at those in the GOP who tell us that government is good for us, will protect us, allow us to sleep well at night, and be fed three meals a day-as long as we disregard that pesky Constitution. The reality is THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE in our entrenched leaders. Every single one of them has to be tossed, along with the laws and systems that they designed to protect and cover their sorry asses with.

        “If voting made any difference, they wouldn’t let us do it.”~Mark Twain~

      • smilee

        Right ON!!!!

  • Diacro

    If only we had the GOP of recent yesterday ___ no 420 fillibuster’s, no moronic 39 votes against Obamacare, no political philosophy from the OLD DEEP SOUTH. Stupid, moronic Reaganomics aka supply side economics. Reasonable small businessmen and women who were part of the local COMMUNITY. Ah yes let’s go back (that’s conservative) to the Good Old Party.

    Phony Scandals? My yes, full of crazed manure. Noise and gas, noise and gas in a cry taken up by FOX fomentor’s of division.

    • Vis Fac

      There is no such thing as “phony Reagonomics”. If that were true I wouldn’t have had a successful engineering firm not had the ability to hire nearly 100 people.
      Reagonomics made it possible to succeed if you didn’t that was YOUR fault. The opportunities were there you just sat back and wanted things to fall into your lap.
      If I wanted to be successful it was incumbent on me to make the necessary moves to do so. Unlike you and others of your ilk, I sacrificed slaved, and mortgaged myself to the hilt. I ate soup worked sometimes 24 hrs. to get a toehold in the business. You on the other hand want things handed to you with little or no effort on your behalf.
      Opportunities were available you failed to avail yourself of them. When was the last time a poor man offered you a job?

      • TG3

        Very well said Force Recon; couldn’t have said it better myself. I was a democrat for over thirty-eight years until I started getting my education and my degrees, and learned how to research for the truth, and not take what someone told me as gospel. Where voters fail us all, and themselves, is they take what someone tells them as the truth without investigating for the facts for themselves with an open mind. The Democrats want us to depend on the government and not ourselves. The Republicans want people to work and earn what they get. If you give a man his fish, he will eat for a season, teach that same man to fish, and he will eat forever.

        Oh, and if anyone wants to know what I now am, well, I’m not Democrat nor Republican. I vote for whomever I believe is the best candidate for the job. If Obama was CEO of a corporation, he would have been fired his first term for failing the stock holders. Anyone who knows corporate business would know that’s the truth.

        • Vis Fac

          I see the lone dissenter is a liberal that wants free stuff and too lazy to earn his keep. I am not a Republican and definitely not DUMBOCRITE but an independent. Each election I scrutinize the candidates and NEVER pay attention to mud slinging ads on TV.

          • smilee

            Independents do not know what they want and often flip flop from election to election and you do seem to fit that description.

        • smilee

          You were not voting for a CEO of a corporation but for the president of the United States and they are two very different animals with two very different skill sets required and CEO’s often can not tell the difference and would be risky to have as president.

      • Diacro

        Compare the average budget deficit and and National debt increase under Reaganomics, aka dumbo supply-side economics with all the Presidency’s going back to WW2. What happened under the tax cut created deficits’ amounts to huge sums of DEFICIT SPENDING. Something we Republican’s blasted Democrats for when the GOP was a reasoned organization – not the idiocy of “Abolish the IRS”. Boy that is truly assinine.

      • smilee

        Yes, and you did it all without your employees being represented by a union which Reagan made much easier for you as you no longer had to do it the old fashioned way when you then had to earn it.

        • Vis Fac

          Rest assured I earned it. Prior to owning my own business I was a “forced” union member (closed shop) I knew rthe pitfall of unions invading the workplace. I made certain my employees did not want union representation by giving higher then prevailing wages and a generous benefits package and quarterly bonuses when warranted. Another benefit you usually don’t think of is the turnover rate as I costs to train employees so the longer they stay the easier it is to meet payroll. Unions do not go into debt worry about meeting payroll work 18 hours a day to start a business they merely such the life out with not a care in the world. They demand too much and often it is cheaper to close down than work for free.
          Semper-Fi

          • smilee

            The majority (52 employees) were I worked had over 20 years of service or more only four had less than 10 when I retired (I had 40.5 years then ) so why do you mention turnover as we seldom had any, are you implying that union shops have that problem? They do not. Unions do not demand too much just a living wage within the employers ability to pay and my company was highly profitable. Unions are not a hindrance to well managed companies so there is no pitfalls unless management crates them. and that is probably what you experienced when you worked in a union shop. Union workers make considerable more on average than non union according to the labor dept statistics and are a plus to the economy as they have more income to spend. You paid union equivalent wages as we both know that is the motivation that drives employers whom do not want to deal with unions and is a side effect of the union movement.

          • Vis Fac

            I was one a “forced” union member I know what unions are Legalized coercion, nothing less. I am telling you that I paid my employees what amounted to union wages and benefits and that they themselves decided union representation was not in their best interests. You should acquire some comprehension skills because you have probably been doing the same repetitive task for “40.5” years and not taxing your brain or body and both have probably atrophied to the point of being useless.

            Of course there wouldn’t be much turnover the union guaranteed a worker couldn’t be fired for ineptness being unproductive or incompetent. That’s what unions do; keep people employed that would otherwise be let go, thus holding the public hostage to pay for wages the employer has to pay time wasting union workers
            Truth is most union members could only qualify for work in a pepper mill removing fly specks from the ground pepper.

            “Unions do not demand much just a living wage”. Who are you trying to kid? A living wage is quite subjective
            depending upon who you ask. Union’s idea of a living wage is as much as they can squeeze out of the employer plus any added bonus i.e. ridiculous retirement packages for up to 100% of wages paid at retirement (a real big deal in public union representation and another issue) paid vacation, sick days, holidays, birthdays, double overtime pay, call in pay, or any other whim the union has in mind.

            “Unions are not a hindrance to well managed companies” To that I again say who are you trying to kid? Unions by nature are a hindrance. The threat of a “wildcat” strike looms in the darkness at all times work slowdowns, stoppages, and protest according to you are not hindrances either. Just imagine how profitable a well managed company without a union would be and how much better their employees would be treated.
            You reap what you sow.

            You obviously lack the intellect required of a manager and cannot fathom on how to deal with production or personnel issues. You merely look through union issued rose colored glasses I need only mention that the UAW has cost the American public an average of $2000 more per vehicle that their non union Asian
            counter parts. Yet Asian vehicles cost nearly the same. Detroit has collapsed resultant of union greed. I could go on but that would be pointless for you are a
            lethargic union zombie who cannot comprehend anything other than when you’ll receive your more than generous retirement check .

          • smilee

            You have said you have been in business for yourself for 30 years so that says your union experience was most likely a short lived thus you have limited experience with unions. I have asked you once before if there was ever a union election in your firm and you have not answered that question to date , will you answer it?? You stated your firms employees decided for themselves unionization was not in their best interests and is that just your assumption or was that determined in a union election? If there was an election that means at least 30% of your employees disagree with you and if there has been no elections then it is but your assumption. And as to assumptions
            no I did not do repetitive work, my work every day was different but that statement says you look down your nose at those whom make their living that way
            and that you see yourself as superior to them and you also see union employees as inferior to you too and my experience is that people whom see them selves as superior generally are blind to reality. Your belief of labor management relationships cannot be productive and beneficial if the labor is represented by a union and 40.5 years of employment and 37 of them union I know for a fact that is false as I have lived a
            harmonious work relationship that was productive and beneficial for both parties. You believe that you must, to succeed, be master of your domain and must have unrestricted power over your employees which
            also says you are incapable of forming consensus with your employees unless you can have the
            last word and that suggests you are a control freak. Let me set you straight on some of your inaccurate conclusions which are based on corporate rhetoric and not reality. You inferred in a precious post
            there were high turnovers in union shops now you say the opposite and suggest that it is because they cannot be fired as the reason, well let me set you
            straight union contracts usually call for just cause to fire but if just cause exists they can and do fire successfully fire employees all the time. In our
            shop the union only wes able to save three jobs out of 20 some firings as they had just cause your conclusion is totally in correct albeit contracts that have tenure clauses may have different procedures. Our company (a large major fortune 500 company) had I think it was nine groups of divisions and six or more divisions in each group and some division had several locations of doing business but under the same general management and we had 4 locations when I worked thee now, one in another state has now been closed and merged into the other three locations and by the companies statements we were the most productive and reliable and often products that they had goofed up by non union employees in other plants were sent to us to be fixed if it was important it was done right. We wer also the oldest location in the division and those the most exxperianced. I also built many fixtures and machines for these other locations because we had the experience and were considered by them to be the most trusted and reliable. My personal experience tells me you know nothing about union management relationships in the real world. Union employees are highly productive and I personally witnessed this for over thirty five years and you have very limited experience of that and then with your hatred of union I’m sure you look for the worst. In every entity there are exceptions to the rule and unions are no exception but you take the worst that you hear and then assume that is the rule when it is not. Union level wages is something you paid per your own admission to your own employees and some employers will do this out of fear of being organized and it often works and the union movement takes great pride in that influence we have on you
            and your type. Living wage is a wage
            large enough to make an employee self sufficient and thus not qualify for welfare programs to supplement wages and not large enough to subsist on and that is
            not subjective and can be measured and few union wages today are much bigger than that. …

            YOU SAY “The employer has to pay time wasting union workers 100% wages at retirement”, what a joke, I have read numerous union contract for
            reference and have never seen one that had pension over 1/3 their income when working. I have never heard of 100% except in upper management, your having all the other benefits you list are the rare
            exception and again you infer that is the rule when it is not You claim unions are a hindrance but that is
            only true if people like you are the top management and incapable of forming consensus with your employees and do not feel a need to be in 100% control of every decision made or have veto power over it. You’re a control freak and cannot manage under any management model that does not make you master of your domain and has similarities
            to the slave owners model of our past. We had middle management individuals with that mentality but the corporate mentality was to work towards consensus and harmony and because of them we were able to do so, In 37 years we never had a strike and one arbitration so through cooperation and not confrontation we were highly successful despite some local attempts at bulling and control which occasionally happened and always failed. We worked for a very well managed company and one highly profitable and our union member contributed greatly to that outcome. When was the last time you heard of a wildcat strike and as often as not it resulted due to very bad management decisions often due to insisting on workers being subject to unsafe and sometimes even dangerous environments. You see you are so closed minded to believe every confrontation is union initiated and most times but not always these needless confrontations are initiated by management. Your attitude is that because you own the company you have the right to live the life of a dictator with a need for power. The law says you do
            not have that right if your employees disagree and organize. Be honest would you close the doors if your employees successfully voted in a union?? Or would
            you sit down and work out a binding understanding that meets the needs of both parties and still allows for the desired outcomes for both and in the real
            world that is how it is unless one or both parties become confrontational and that is more important than harmony and success. I know it is possible because I lived it and know of many shops (of whom through the union I have become friends with) whom also do so . NO, YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT GOOD UNION MANAGEMENT RELATIONSHIPS CAN BE AND OFTEN ARE and most likely you don’t have the skills necessary to be successful in that setting.

          • Vis Fac

            Apparently you have trouble reading and comprehending what others post. I am not without working knowledge of how unions operate as I have dealt with them for about as many years as you have been a member. I wasn’t born yesterday and certainly couldn’t have been in business for the length of time I was if I didn’t know anything about unions. Regarding your question on whether the employees had voted for union membership, you then you answer that question with my own statement. I don’t understand why you keep asking when you know that when my employees decided that union membership was not in their best interests they simply voted no to union representation. If they wanted to be represented by a union they would have voted one in. You are about as dense as lead and twice as dangerous. I don’t understand why you keep missing that point maybe because your brain has atrophied because of not having to think and work at the same time. Or you only made it past the fourth grade.
            Here is a little information and something for you to ponder; Considering starting a business requires considerable sacrifice a goodly amount of time and energy. No one would want to give in to a bunch of thugs wanting to coerce the owner. I as well as other business owners have the option in closing my doors and relocating elsewhere. The UAW is about to shut down the US auto industry and unions have already bankrupt Detroit. Unions are part f the reason companies outsource overseas as they don’t want to be held hostage paying for unproductive employees The American public wants a good deal on goods and services and the lowest price most often sells. Something your liberal union thugs don’t consider.
            I shouldn’t address your ridiculous assumption that I was a dictator lord of the realm and other inane statements to that effect. Simply put I you were able to comprehend a tenth of what I posted you wouldn’t have made yourself look so foolish.
            I states that you get what you pay for reap what you sow happy employees are productive satisfied employees do not want union representation. Had I been any one of those you assumed I was i would not have been in business for 3 years let alone 30+ AND my dealings with unions are exactly as I reported through personal and professional experiences. The fact that you are so vehemently defending unions suggest that I am spot on in my assessments.
            At this point it is futile for one thing I have learned you cannot win an argument with a moron to do so merely drags you down to their level where they vanquish you by their experience.

          • smilee

            30 years in business and almost 40 years dealing with unions adds up to almost 70 years in the work place, i do not believe that statement of yours either. Again you dodged weather your employees ever participated in a union election in the firm you own and no I did not answer that question myself as I could not because I do not know that answer and will not until you tell me. WILL YOU? Our group was happy and productive too as most union shop employees are and do not have to kiss the bosses butt in hope of keeping him from not exercising his sole power over you and keeps him from firing you just because he does not like your hair style etc.. I am defending unions because they are highly beneficial to our country and all its citizens, its employer and employees and since they are currently been weakened we have gotten large welfare programs, very low wages, reduced benefits which we did not have before when unions were strong and we now have oodles of persons that are now millionaires whom no longer have to make it the old fashioned way by actually earning it, that before unions helped insure its employees also got their fair share too. I must have have hit a nerve or sore spot as you went off on a tangent ranting about all kinds of things not relevant to my post. That happens so often on here when you are unable to refute my post honestly and truthfully. Your last paragraph confirms your feelings of superiority over others especially union members. Despite what you think and say you are not superior.You produce these cheap products that sell so cheap so that at least some of those getting those very low non union wages can then buy some of. Arrogance creates false feelings of superiority and it has become clear that is you. Sorry but I will never bow down to you or kiss your butt which the unions made sure I never had to do for an employer, what a great working condition which I know from first hand experience.

          • Vis Fac

            Are you for real? Don’t you understand plain English even a 10 year old would be able to comprehend? I was in business for 30+ years and only in the union for more than one. You claim to be in the union for 40.5. I never said how long I dealt with unions only that I dealt with unions for several years during my 30+ years in business.
            You have now shown the effects of what it does to ones brain being a union zombie. You have been programmed to repeat over and over union propaganda You haven’t the capacity to read and comprehend anything more complicated than a one line sentence and even then you muck that up.
            I am tired of your inanity I am tired of your stupidity I am tired of you. You might as well converse with kindergärtners as that’s about as much sense as you have made thus far.

            Don’t bother with a response because I am sure you don’t understand a word I have said here.

          • smilee

            I quote you:

            “I am not without working knowledge of how unions operate as I have dealt with them for about as many years as you have been a member”

            I was a union member 37 years an employed by my employer for 40.5 years that is a lot more than the one year you were a union member and you claim in the quote above you dealt with unions about as many year as I have been a member . So now the question if you dealt with unions during during your 30+ years were your employees either unionized or trying to organize on occasion which suggests you may not have been the perfect employer you have so often bragged about. You certainly made no attempt to explain the nature .of your relationship with unions, rather unusual if a union did not represent your employees as you have claimed also. Again you did not answer my question did your employees ever vote in an union election. You are having a real problem keeping your foot out of your mouth aren’t you.. I guess this union zombie as you view me has check mated you and pinned down your inconsistency’s making you appear like a phony. The truth will expose you!

          • Vis Fac

            You said you were a union member for 40.5 Years OK 37 years is close to as many years as I have been exposed to unions almost two as a member and 33 dealing with the likes of unions such as Teamsters, IBEW, ILO, and others on job sites and manufacturing plants. I could avoid union contract issues because I designed and built and commissioned prototype machinery that union shops did not do or were not involved with. So yes I know all about unions and stand by what I said earlier.
            You still have comprehension issues as well as a deep seeded inferiority complex you need a groups around you for security and purpose. In the real world you would be nothing without a union and in my assessment not an ideal candidate for employment in my firm. I need people who can think for themselves and not rely on continual monitoring.

          • smilee

            You still did not answer my question!! Sounds like those union exposures you had were not with you and your company but with companies you had dealings with that were union and that does not give you much exposure to Unions which exposure sounds quite superficial in nature thus your limited understanding of the nature of real union management relationships.. Your last paragraph is totally inaccurate and is again just another way you show your arrogance and your need to express feelings of superiority which in reality you are not , Looking down your nose at what you see as your inferiors. That is wrong and totally inaccurate

          • Vis Fac

            What is the difference any way? Why is it so important that you should know every detail on my experience with union? You obviously were only a dues paying member who sailed along paying your dues while other did the negotiating.You think I have no union exposure with unions because of being a member for a relatively short period of time. All it takes is to be misrepresented or not represented one time by a union to start a deep and thorough investigation. I do not take anything lightly. Conducting my own investigation asking a myriad of questions and being observant I found that the union officers shop stewards and some members took bribes and kickbacks from each other and company management to “get around” several issues especially the grievance processes Stewards were paid to lie or not file grievances regarding wage issues were often bought by paying off union negotiators no one openly spoke of them but the membership knew This occurred at the LOCAL and international levels as well. In essence unions are a scam set up by corrupt bunch of thugs who have their own agenda which is not true representation. This experience prepared me for the coercive tactics that union use while working in the field. I will not go into the details of all the death threats equipment sabotage and thievery perpetrated by unions. SO as you see my experiences have taught me that unions are not the benevolent organizations you wish to believe they are.

          • smilee

            You are full of assumptions, first I was the shop steward for 35 of those 37 years and only once was I not involved in contract negotiations and was involved in numerous grievance negotiations over the years I have extensive experience and am highly skilled in it. You not being involved in union interaction of any kind in your own business it is interesting how you know so much of the alleged intimate type of relationships that includes illegal activities is bogus unless you yourself were somehow involved in illegal acts yourself as I’m sure they would not share that info with you had you not been, assuming anything you say is even true but in my 37 years I never saw it and I was very active in the union movement in organizing etc. and never once did I see or hear of any of what you allege., Also it takes two to tango so if any of this was true then of course both management and unions would have to be equally involved in these illegal acts and equally guilty. Maybe you were offering bribes yourself then of course you would know what you claim, but I doubt under any other circumstance you could know this so I suspect unless you were involved this is just more assumptions on your part and further expression of your hatred of unions and feeding of your feelings of superiority. I WAS NEVER OFFERED A BRIBE BY ANYONE EVER, NOT ONCE! For a man who only spent a little over a year in a union and claims to have never dealt with a union with his own employees you sure make a lot of accusations you obviously could not have made from personal experience and only give us the typical rhetoric floated by the corporate world and those who hate unions because they can interfere with their greed and feelings of superiority and I suspect that is your problem as I do not believe for a minute you can support anything you said with with any real facts. I have a personal pet peeve with people who distort reality and you have stuck your foot in your mouth several times which illustrates you must not be telling the truth and only telling tall tales and you have given me the opportunity to show that Union/ Company relationships can and do work for everyone if people like you on either side are not involved because your personal feeling motivate you instead of being dedicated to mutual problem solving that enhances both parties goals and I am living proof that it can be done and my Company would say that about out relationship. I first met the Company Labor Lawyer whom negotiated all Union Contracts for the company across the US and was head of their team and the man with the last say for the Company. I first met him 1967 and we worked together until 2001 when he suddenly died from a heart attack near the end of one of our negotiations. We were good friends in the most honorable way and fully respected each other at the negotiating table when many times we would be at odds. Despite that we could be friends as both of us were problem solvers and the same could be said of the Union BA and Company HR managers the exception was always local management heads whom had your attitude and they always got overridden as they were never productive in problem solving I doubt you could be either as you have this need to put others down and to be the sole man in charge.

          • Vis Fac

            First of all I am NOT full of assumptions what I reported to you is FIRST HAND knowledge Second of all you are full of sheet. (for the moderator you should know what I am telling you) And thirdly you and your union must be the two most benevolent things on the planet. SO STFU MORON

          • Vis Fac

            First of all I am NOT full of assumptions what I reported to you is FIRST HAND knowledge Second of all you are full of sheet. (for the moderator you should know what I am telling you) And thirdly you and your union must be the two most benevolent things on the planet. SO STFU MORON

    • JeffH

      Well, well, well…have “they” sent another troll to shill these pages?
      Imagine that?

      • Diacro

        Oh my you are just so special. Afraid and unaware of the facts. You must be a Jill

        • JeffH

          Afraid of what facts? Your comment changes nothing, especially the glaring fact that you’re still an ignorant liberal/progressive shill and a troll which you are apparently unaware of.

    • CintiCB

      All of you ignorants believe the BS that your Muslim boy spews!!! Can this large amount of people be SOOOOOOO stupid!?! Just listen to your little hypocrite. He addressed these events with all of HIS PHONY promises (+ fake indignation) about how it will not be tolerated and that he’ll get to the bottom of it and take appropriate action. If these scandals were phony, why the big show (of his concern)? I’ll tell ya why-he thinks that we’re all his dumb, ignorant, naive, uninformed dumbsh_t ‘voters’. I am SO SICK of this foreigner telling me how incredibly stupid he thinks I am! I’m, CONSTANTLY, yelling at the TV, ‘WE ARE NOT ALL YOUR DUMB ‘VOTERS’ BUDDY-GO PEDDLE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE!!!’ It’s a very sad state of affairs when ones’ ignorance can be definitely ascertained by the mere fact that they voted for our sitting president!!! Sadly, when these genius’ start feeling the negative effects of the neophyte in the White House, they will by too damn stupid to realize that they did it to themselves! GOD HELP US!!!!!!

  • PatCindyCunningham

    Obama isn’t the one who has it wrong, it is we the people who have it wrong. he said he was going to transform America and guess what? He did! Now, what are we going to do about it. Most was so happy to be part of History electing a little known rookie Politician to be the first Black President. That was a huge mistake but, even worse, we elected him for the second time. Where didn’t people notice he was transforming our Country? I saw it, why didn’t others? 3,000,000 registered Republicans didn’t vote because they didn’t like Romney, so I guess they liked Obama better.

    Now that we got that cold slap of reality out of the way lets deal with how we are going to get him out. That, is the most important thing we can do right now. of course we need control of all Congress. If not we are sunk unless we take to the streets. of course Conservatives don’t like to do that, takes the crease out of there pants I assume.

    We are in big trouble America, already Obama has control of the Pentagon and is subverting our Military. We must win in 2014, if not we may as well go elsewhere unless we are ready to fight. We must take back the Senate and hold the House in order to make Obama answer for his crimes. Right now he says what he wants and does what he wants. The Media is on his side, and we the People are helpless now. Voting can change the equation and we must win in 2014, if not we are sunk.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Pat says — “3,000,000 registered Republicans didn’t vote because they didn’t like Romney, so I guess they liked Obama better”.
      No, they just knew that Romney was Obama-lite, and they saw no sense in rubber-stamping more of the same.

      • PatCindyCunningham

        Your saying that by not voting for Romney, certain Republicans would rather see Obama stay in Office? That is just wrong, wrong on so many counts. They thought they were protesting having no good Conservative to vote for. By there actions Obama won, and by less than 3,000,000 votes. Anyone would have been better than Obama. You are either one of those who didn’t vote or an Obama supporter. Either way you subverted this Country either by your actions or inactions.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          I’m saying, Pat, that as long as you let the Republicans get away with presenting Mercantilist Big Government Loving candidates to you, things will remain the same — ever-growing Government.
          You are the one who has subverted our country, Pat, by allowing the Republicans to continue presenting Big Government Growthers who fly under the radar of ignorant voters who don’t understand that slow growth is just as insidious as fast growth in the long run — maybe even more so — because it is less detectable by ignorant voters.
          http://winteryknight.wordpress.com/2011/05/19/is-mitt-romney-conservative-or-liberal/
          http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/national-affairs/mitt-romneys-biggest-flip-flops-20120801
          http://personalliberty.com/2012/08/27/is-mitt-fit/

          • PatCindyCunningham

            You are crazy. By not voting, it allowed Obama back another term. Do you see what he has done? We are in real trouble and it looking like a Civil War may be the outcome. By not voting for Romney you kept a tyrant in Office. Romney would have been a decent president. Then would be the time to make Conservatives better, not while a Dictator is in our midst. Any Republicans who stayed home last election has blood on there hands. Maybe not now, but soon.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Just like the Liberal Progressives, you Neoconservative Progressives must resort to name-calling or other manipulative tactics when you can’t win with logic or facts.

            Pat says — “Romney would have been a decent president. Then would be the time to make Conservatives better, not while a Dictator is in our midst”.
            You know, Pat, I’ve been hearing that tired mantra for 45 years now while the Republicans keep putting in one Government Growther after another and I keep losing more and more of my Freedom.

            You need to read this, Pat, and wake up to reality:
            http://mises.org/books/leftright.pdf

          • TombstoneLizard

            Dave, I certainly agree with you on this one. I did vote for Romney, but the fact is that unless we force massive cuts upon the government without bowing to all the crybabies nursing off of its teats, the piggies are just wearing different name tags. Why the elephant and the donkey represent any of them when they all have their noses in the same taxpayer-funded trough is beyond me. No President of any persuasion can make it better-it’s up to all of us to tear out the rot and corruption by the roots via enforcement of the Constitution, in any manner possible.

          • PatCindyCunningham

            Yes! But, this time we are dealing with something more than a Democrat. Democrats have been replaced by Marxist radicals hell bent on finishing the destruction of America. This became very apparent after George Bush defeated Al Gore in a very close election. The ultra Leftist Liberals came out of the woodwork showing their outrage. Now they even support Communism in this Country, all part of the Liberal banner. Anyone who calls them Conservative, should have realised that immediately, and voted for Romney. Why, voting for an illegal immigrant would have been better than voting for Obama.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            What you are ignorant of, Pat, is that the Republicans have been advocates of Big Government since the 1850s when they were formed. They talk a good show and have you fools convinced otherwise, just as the Democrats have their followers fooled. Lincoln was the first Republican to trample the Constitution, and there have been many since — T. Roosevelt, Herbert Hoover, George Bush Sr., and George Bush Jr., to name a few.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Do some reading, Pat, and wake up to the reality of Leaders feathering their own and their Crony Capitalists’ nests at the rest of our expense. Here’s a good place to start:
            http://mises.org/Books/historyofmoney.pdf

          • PatCindyCunningham

            Hey stupid, I majored in American History. You are the fool! Anarchy is better than the alternative I suppose?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Obviously it was the court historians’ point of view that you were indoctrinated with, Pat.

            Who said anything about Anarchy? But since you bring up that subject, you should read this:
            http://archive.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard81.html

            History major? Surely you don’t think that impresses me?

          • PatCindyCunningham

            One more thing before I say good bye. It would benefit Barack Obama to be as you did and not vote wouldn’t it? I was right the first time. Thanks!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I did vote, Pat, but not for a Progressive — NeoCon or Liberal.

          • JeffH

            You mean there were other choices…some states actually allow voters to write in candidates?
            Pat’s emotions obviously trumped his thought process.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I always have and always will vote for Freedom, i.e. Libertarian.

          • JeffH

            DaveH, never any question about that. I’ve learned that voting for freedom is never a vote wasted…thanks to PLD and people like yourself.

          • PatCindyCunningham

            Your to dumb to be impressed. I keep getting a one more thing. The choice between Obama and Romney was a kin to a Large Grizzly bear being in front of you. On a table is a Gun and a Book, which one would you grab? I know what I would do and I did. You did NOTHING. The biggest vote in American History and you did NOTHING!! Either or, you voted for Barack Obama. I tend to believe the latter. Just another Troll trolling the Conservative websites.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Pat says — “Your to dumb to be impressed”.
            That should be “You’re too dumb… “, Pat.
            I have two 4-year degrees, graduation with honors in both, and an additional year of Computer Science a few years back. Plus 40 years of studying matters political and economical.
            I could beat you in a debate any day of the week, Pat, unless it included name-calling and other manipulative tactics at which you are obviously more well-versed than I am.

            I thought you were going away?

          • TombstoneLizard

            Which version, Pat? I keep hearing about re-writes every day. Just saying…

          • PatCindyCunningham

            Your logic dictates why bother? If the Firemen during 9/11 had stayed out of the twin towers saying why bother, can’t save them anyway. Many People would have died, at least 10 to 20,000 more People. By not voting for Romney, you voted for partial birth abortion and food stamps for the millions of illegals. I think you are just another troll using various tactics to change the subject. You couldn’t be a Conservative, not one who loves this Country and wants only the best for it. Anyone who would not vote knowing Obama was the alternative deserves Obama. If that is name calling then I guess I am, and damn proud of it.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            What have the 9/11 attacks got to do with the price of tea in China, Pat?
            Why in the world do you think Romney would have changed any of that? Name me the last time that Republicans shrank Government.
            More ad hominem attacks and conjectural nonsense.
            Do you have anything real to add to the conversation about Freedom, Pat, or are you just here to troll for the NeoCon Progressives?

          • TG3

            You want logic Dave?

            Well here it is. Unemployment is at an all time high, The Feds are printing paper without anything to back it up(History shows that this only destabilizes a counties economy), More people are on EBT and assistance than any other time in the history of this nation, gas prices are at an all time high and are climbing, wages are rediculouslly below the cost of living at an non survival level, and those who voted for Obama, are beginning to see the truth of his deceit. THIS IS A DICTATOR WHO CONTINUALLY USES EXECUTIVE ORDERS TO GET HIS WAY WITHOUT THE VOTE OF CONGRESS. WAKE UP PEOPLE; BEFORE IT’S TOO LATE!!!!!!!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            See Bob Livingston’s comment above.

          • PatCindyCunningham

            Like a Progressive Liberal Marxist, you have only one thing, name calling, you even got the owner of this website believing in what you say. name calling, name calling. or neo cons. You are nothing but a troll.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I bear no malice towards ignorant people, Pat. But those who are purposely ignorant are quite disgusting to me. Apparently, you are a member of the latter group.

          • PatCindyCunningham

            I would love to see you tell that to my face ass hole but I don’t have time for idiots. I didn’t vote for Romney I voted against Obama. I didn’t learn that in School either. I learned that in Vietnam, and working real hard and paying my debts. I payed my dues a 100 times over again, and then I have to listen to some fool and another fool to boot. Barack Obama is the worst thing ever to happen to America and by extension the World. If America folds the World will be thrown into another Dark Ages on from which it will not survive. We aren’t talking about learning and books. We are talking about the here and the now. Obama is here, in the here and now, Romney is better than Obama. No more talk!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Thanks for showing the readers your true colors, Pat.
            Of course there will be no more talk, because you can’t stand up to logic or facts.

            But those former service people, who haven’t already learned what it’s really all about, should read this so maybe you can prevent your children or grandchildren from being duped into being cannon fodder for some Crony Capitalists’ enrichment:
            http://library.mises.org/books/John%20V%20Denson/A%20Century%20of%20War%20Lincoln,%20Wilson%20and%20Roosevelt.pdf

          • smilee

            Of course you bear no malice towards ignorant people as to do so would have to bear malice against yourself and that would hurt!!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Sea Kelp, Sleepee.

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear PatCindyCunningham,

            You write: “Like a Progressive Liberal Marxist, you have only one thing, name calling…” If you believe original dave is a “Progressive Liberal Marxist” you need to re-examine the definitions of the words.

            You write: “you even got the owner of this website believing in what you say.” Dave and I arrived at our conclusions separately and it may surprise you to hear we do not agree 100 percent on every issue.

            You write: “name calling, name calling. or neo cons. You are nothing but a troll.” Nonsensical prattle with an ad hominem thrown in.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • PatCindyCunningham

            You are no better than Barack Obama and the People who does his bidding.

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston
          • Nadzieja Batki

            Are you speaking about yourself, Troll.

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear PatCindyCunningham,

            You are trapped in the false left/right paradigm. But you are in the right place to continue your education and learn a better way.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • PatCindyCunningham

            I am not trapped in nothing. If you think allowing Barack Obama another term is good for America you are as bad as the original dave. For one thing countless Babies have died because of that vote. I can’t believe you think Mitt Romney is no better than Barack Obama. If that is true I don’t want to even talk with you. We had some bad Generals during WWII but, no one came home because of it. That is what you ask for.by turning your back on America and allowing Barack Obama another term. Shame on you. Your the one who needs an education and the sooner the better.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            He didn’t say that, Pat. He’s saying that if you’d take off your blinders instead of being a knee-jerk NeoCon Progressive Follower, you might learn what is really going on. The Leaders (both Republican and Democrat) and their Crony Capitalists are making fools of you zealots.

            Here’s another book you should read in your journey to enlightenment if you so choose:
            http://www.amazon.com/The-Big-Ripoff-Business-Government/dp/0471789070

            Or, you can remain ignorant, in which case Government will continue on its merry way to our subjugation.

          • PatCindyCunningham

            What’s to talk about? I had the choice between Obama or Romney. I have Grandchildren and my Son is Pastor to a very large Christian Church. So, I being a good American I made a choice. DUH! I didn’t bury my head in the sand and stay home, I voted for my Grandchildrens well being. You, just didn’t care!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            To the contrary, Pat, it is you and your kind who have doomed your children and grandchildren to a bleak future of serfdom by being purposely ignorant. On this board, Bob gives you a chance to learn what you haven’t in the Propaganda schools, and instead of being thankful for the opportunity, you come on here with guns blazing like the NeoConservative Progressive fool that you are.

          • PatCindyCunningham

            You are not worth talking with. As they say on Fox News, let them decide. The People who read this blog post can make up there own minds.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            So apparently you are saying that God doesn’t care about your Son or the grandchildren in this land. Go and reread your Bible again, because there were a people who pulled that complaint against God and ended up wandering for 40 years on a trip that should have only taken about 11 days.

            I am suspicious of your emotional outburst and in what you would choose for President. Omites chose O for that selfsame reason as you choose Presidents,.

          • Dave

            Pat, DaveH cares… he cares about himself… John Meyer’s return on investment in gold… Bob Livingston’s sales… Mises sales….
            Just not about society or the United States of America.

          • PatCindyCunningham

            Thank you and I noticed that too! When ever a Liberal or what ever you want to call them, gets painted into a corner they start grading your grammar. Yes, when I am in a heated discussion with my fingers I make mistakes. I am 63 years old and War and hard work will do that to you. I guess you have to partake to really see what some, or a group of, really is. For People to think I am odd for voting against Barack Obama can only tell me one thing, they are, for him. That in itself, gives me absolutely no reason to talk to them anymore. I consider them my enemy and the enemy of my Country. Have a good day!

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear PatCindyCunningham,

            You write: “I am not trapped in nothing.” Double negative.

            You write: ” If you think allowing Barack Obama another term is good for America you are as bad as the original dave.” straw man

            You write: “We had some bad Generals during WWII but, no one came home because of it” Non sequitur.

            You write: “That is what you ask for.by turning your back on America and allowing Barack Obama another term.” If then fallacy.

            You write: “Shame on you. Your the one who needs an education and the sooner the better.” Argument to ridicule. Ad hominem.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • Nadzieja Batki

            PatCindy Cunningham is out for TODH’s blood. Ignore the TWIT. She is not a Conservative or Libertarian or Republican.

          • PatCindyCunningham

            You Sir are an Elitist Bor, enjoy your Libertarian vues.

          • jmprint

            So if the Pope doesn’t think he his has the right to judge, what makes you think you do? Are you above God?

          • smilee

            GOOD POINT!!

          • Nadzieja Batki

            So now you are the type of Republican who is going into a panic mode because you didn’t get the President you wanted. How are you any different than the Worshippers of O who got the man they wanted?

          • jmprint

            So you think Romney would do better, when he sends American jobs overseas! They are the ones selling off America to other countries.

          • PatCindyCunningham

            Rolling Stone? Now I know you are nothing but a troll.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            More name-calling. Is that all you have, Pat?
            Tell the readers how it is that 36 years worth of Republican Presidents since 1950 have left us with 60% Bigger Government?
            Without the framework provided by that 60% growth in Government, Obama would have had a much tougher time of it.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            How do we know you are not a TROLL trying to create dissension on this site?

          • boyscout

            Troll? Any one who doesn’t scan both sides of an issue is a fool. Imagine stepping into the ring not knowing that your opponent usually follows three jabs with a cross. Albeit name calling and ad hominims are commonplace here, it really doesn’t help your credibility.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            More ignorance from Pat. Do you have any evidence that refutes anything in the article, Pat, or is an ad hominem attack on Rolling Stone all you have?

        • Nadzieja Batki

          I am curious how you came to this site and why? Who did you vote for and why? I am thinking that you helped “elect” O by putting your hopes behind the human vegetables like Palin, Bachman, Romney.

          • PatCindyCunningham

            I am a Conservative not a Republican if that helps. Why did I come to this site? Well your guess is as good as mine. Somehow voting for Sarah Palin is a vote for barack Obama, I am clearly perplexed. it seems the Libertarians who frequent this site are under the strang ideal that People need a Civic Lesson when all we need is to rid ourselves of the tyrant barack Obama. If that is how you you console yourself for not voting or for voting for someone who doesn’t have a chance is about as bad as it gets. This election wasn’t Clinton against Dole, where ideologies were not going to cost our Country. It was Obama against a very Moderate Romney. Obama being the worst President and the most dangerous in the History of the United States. You People want to give a Civic lesson on Neo Cons. You are no better than the Communist Progressives now in Office. In fact, I believe you are one and the same.

          • smilee

            If you are a conservative why was there no conservative party candidate on the on the ticket!! I’m betting you voted for Romney

      • BigGeezer

        Romney would be obama lite… yea. We’d have people back to work. The economy would be taking off. Gas prices would be much lower. obama’s recent scandals would have produced true investigations … we may not have been able to save the 4 Americans who served us in Benghazi but at least we’d be on our way to justice and their families might be able to find some sort of closure. dave you are really clueless!

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Geezer, you are just hoping and dreaming like the Liberal Progressives do.

          • BigGeezer

            I’d put my trust in an lifelong honest man like Romney… unlike your empty theory.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Romney was honest only to those gullible enough to believe that a guy who promoted RomneyCare would oppose ObamaCare once in office.
            For Individual Liberty, Personal Responsibility, Free Markets, Limited Government, and the PEACE that comes from not trying to cram everybody into the same size solutions — Vote Libertarian!
            http://www.lp.org/platform

          • BigGeezer

            world of difference between states rights and federal mandates… bone up on the fact we live in a constitutional republic… I’ll take an honest man like Romney anyday.

          • WTS/JAY

            Constitutional-Rebuplic? In the abstract perhaps, but certainly not in practice!

          • BigGeezer

            so what is your point … we give in to obama and his elitist thugs…

          • WTS/JAY

            Of course not, Big! Keep in mind, obama’s elitist thugs were bush’s elitist thugs. The same elitist thugs who have been running our country, and picking our presidents for decades…that’s my point!

          • smilee

            Romney HONEST!!, surly you jest!!

          • BigGeezer

            don’t understand your post… Romney has lived and demonstrated a life of integrity and honesty. You not agree with this FACT?

          • smilee

            NOPE IT IS NOT A FACT, he was a big crony capitalist and a crook in my opinion albeit a legal one as their lobbyists have lobbied sucessfully to create laws that let them off the hook

          • BigGeezer

            OK so it’s your OPINION. Your opinion is yours to have but it’s wrong and that’s your right. The FACT is that Mitt Romney has lived an honest and honorable life. He has done more good for our country and the individual citizens than virtually all other citizens. I suggest you learn a little about this man so your opinion becomes closer to facts than the ideology illusion you state. And I see you throw out the ‘capitalists’ mantra so we’ll be limited with facts from your posts. So let me start… what laws did he break… and which lobbyist enacted laws let him ‘off the hook’. And by-the-way … thank God for big, successful capitalists… they have done so much for humanity… we all owe them admiration.

          • smilee

            He was also a politician and he created what you called honest and honorable as a front for his political persona. I did not say he broke any laws I said he was what I call a legal crook and operated under these laws that let companies leave an area or community and its employees to go over seas etc to allow them to gain greater profits at the expense of the taxpayers and often destroying the economy in these communities and if they had to pick up the tab instead of the taxpayers from which in reality they are stealing because someone has to pay for the messes they left behind. Most times still selling their product in the US,. In other words it is left to the taxpayers to clean up the messes including costs to retrain their former employees. He operated under these laws and showed he cared nothing about the pain he caused, ask any that suffered by his decisions and he made a fortune at the expense of those whom he uprooted..

          • BigGeezer

            again you spew OPINIONS that are not FACTUAL. Romney has created hundreds-of-thousands of actual jobs… and with the residual job creation in the millions of actual, real jobs for AMERICANS! You speak of him being a politician that ‘let companies leave an area to go overseas’. I know you don’t understated how the world works … or simple reality… but politicians don’t and can’t deny a company from choosing it’s location of operation. Our country and constitution do not allow it… although I’m now certain you’re one of these ill-informed big government loons that must be so proud of what the anti-American obama is doing to our free markets, small businesses and our citizens. I bet you’re all hyped up with obamas newest/old campaign where he is wasting tens-of-millions of dollars regurgitating his middle class warfare… but for the informed and honest Americans… you know he has decimated the middle class and lower middle-class with his ideology that has never worked and will never work anywhere in history. And you close with ‘he made a fortune at the expense of those whom he uprooted’… what did he have them spend the weekend at a Holiday Inn?

          • smilee

            He destroyed a lot of jobs too and the jobs he created paid a lot less and left a net loss of jobs. The Constitution sure does give Congress the right to regulate commerce and this is commerce. True they cannot stop you from moving but they can force you pay some or all of the messes you make that costs the taxpayers if they like but laws do not require that as lobbyists made sure of that. The middle class has been decimated for the last 30 years long before Obama came on the scene and any thing he has tried to do to reverse that has been blocked by the house and senate filibuster so he has done nothing to decimate the middle class or improve it. He could have stayed anywhere so I guess you have to ask him that stupid question. Your facts simply are not real.

          • BigGeezer

            … He destroyed a lot of jobs too and the jobs he created paid a lot less … you are completely clueless. A simple response for you … do you know how much a store manager or area manager makes for Staples? Do you know the overall number of employees that Staples alone employes? Do some research just on this one challenge… I’ll wait for your response… although I’m sure it will be void of facts and simply be your opinion again.

            … and left a net loss of jobs… OK, name specifically the jobs lost that you claim and I’ll provide you with the jobs created. I’ll wait for your response.

            … they can force you pay some or all of the messes you make that costs the taxpayers … OK name specifically one ‘messes’ that Romney made that did not have a positive overall outcome. (also, you need to take some writing/grammar courses… your writing is an embarrassment)

            … he has tried to do to reverse that has been blocked by the house and senate filibuster … do you know the number of employment/jobs bills that the Republican led House of Representatives has passed? It is the democratic controlled senate that has blocked all jobs bills. You can actually find the answer/fact to this challenge in the records of congress. I’ll wait for you to do the research.

            … The middle class has been decimated for the last 30 years long before Obama… under GW Bush unemplyemnt was under 5%… FACT. Under GW Bush black unemployment was under 8%… under your boy obama its around 16%… even higher when you factor in those that have quit looking for work. The FACT is that under obama’s reign we have more Americans unemployed today than when he became president (what are the labor numbers for the moth of July… any clue?? Look at how many low paying jobs were created vs the number of individuals who decided to stop looking for work… the answer is 1:5). More Americans were lifted from poverty under GW Bush with more upward mobility than obama would ever produce. GW Bush created the largest tax reduction for the middle and lower-middle class in America’s history giving them more of their own money to spend, invest… for THEM to decide what is important to do with their own dollars! obama… he just continues to take more and more and waste it on his political contributors.

            You see smilee… you choose to play a victim instead of recognizing the amazing gift that America is with it’s unlimited opportunities and potentials. I’m sure you’ll remain the whiny, little person your post demonstrate you to be. Keep your opinions… someday maybe you’ll decide to wake up to FACTS.

          • smilee

            I was not talking about managers and executives pay at Staples as I’m sure they are well paid but the stocker and checkout are not paid well and less than those he dumped in other businesses.. I guess you did not see the pictures of the businesses he closed and abandoned and relocated those business they looked like like most of Detroit looks like. They have been in I I disagree with all of your post as it does not accurately state reality and nothing I can say will enlightened your closed mind so I will not address then point for point.

          • smilee

            I was not talking about managers and executives pay at Staples as I’m sure they are well paid but the stocker and checkout are not paid well and less than those he dumped in other businesses.. I guess you did not see the pictures of the businesses he closed and abandoned and relocated those business they looked like like most of Detroit looks like. They have been in I I disagree with all of your post as it does not accurately state reality and nothing I can say will enlightened your closed mind so I will not address then point for point.

          • smilee

            And end up with a loser every time!!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Isn’t it time for your nap, Sleepee?

          • boyscout

            HA HA HAH. Good one.

        • WTS/JAY

          BigGeezer: Romney would be obama lite… yea. We’d have people back to work. The economy would be taking off. Gas prices would be much lower. obama’s recent scandals would have produced true investigations …

          That would have required Romney going up against the establishment…if Obama couldn’t, didn’t, doesn’t, what makes you think Romney would have fared any better? Romney didn’t loose because Romney was GOP and didn’t get enough votes. Romney lost because you can’t get enough mileage out of “whitey” these days; and for that reason, now Presidents come in black.

          • BigGeezer

            if Obama couldn’t, didn’t, doesn’t, what makes you think Romney would have fared any better? …

            mainly because obama is an anti-American POS… nothing like Romney who has been an innovator, executive and God loving American all of his life.

        • Nadzieja Batki

          No, America would have gone back to sleep like it has done for more than 150 years since all our troubles have come on incrementally. Now the jolt of O has fully wakened us that the human predators are about.

        • Diacro

          Have ANY of the phony scandal’s been proved – to the satisfaction of a court or full congress investigation?

          NO, not to the satisfaction of FOX fomentors.

        • smilee

          Dream on sucker, never would have happened!!

      • Eagle525

        Dave H: Congratulation’s for having mastered the art of convoluted logic.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Eagle,
          Congratulations for having mastered the art of ad hominem attack.

      • WTS/JAY

        Not only that, but they knew that the novelty of having a black-president in office would keep the slumbering-dolts happily distracted for another 4 years…”weee, we got ourselves a black-president, yeah baby!!!”

    • JeffH

      Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
      – Albert Einstein

    • Betta

      I don’t believe he was re-elected at all. I believe he was “selected”. With all the reports of voter fraud it should have been considered null and void. One lady just got convicted and sentenced to 5 years for her voter fraud. She said she voted multiple times. I read the other day that a Barry Soetero is a registered voter living at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave Washington, DC. Imagine that. Looks like there’s voter fraud also going on right in the white house

      • smilee

        More far right rhetoric that has been proven false, there was essentially no fraud found so he was elected fair and square and if the far right could have proven otherwise they would of, so they only bellow about it, Neither of your examples are true either so you post is only lies

    • jmprint

      “if not we may as well go elsewhere” be my guest.

  • TombstoneLizard

    Re: Lori Al Bohi:

    She, like so many of the “anti-rich,” think that more taxes should be paid to a government that rewards itself no matter how many jobs are lost in the private sector, or lost serving the military to protect “American interests” (code for “No matter what private sector forces are at work, the government still gets a cut!”)

    We’d all get rich if we could cut the government structure to the bone, as well it should be. It’s government, not the wealthy, that constantly misuse and drain taxpayer’s funds; then they believe they have a duty to drain even more. Taxing the rich does nothing for folks down the line: Any business which incurs heavy expenses in one area will transfer those costs back to the consumer. So if this lady got her wish, she’d still be broke because everything costs too much.

    CONTROL GOVERNMENT SPENDING: starting with the excessively-priced “road trips” of our elected leaders; to the raises, benefits, and privileges they constantly vote for themselves. The retirement packages, lobby-funded memberships and perks, etc.; it all needs to be brought to a screeching halt.

    Tax reform is a dead idea-there is nothing “fair” about giving up 35% of your dollar to the Fed, then another 15-25% to the State. Increasing taxes on the wealthy doesn’t do squat for the economy if the government spends it as fast as they can on their “pet projects” or worse, “pet constituents.”

    Watch and bookmark this video from 1978. It has some hard truth that needs to be heard every single day until we make things change for the better! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TruCIPy79w8

    • Bill

      Right on, Lizard

    • Betta

      Speaking of excessivey priced “road trips”, did ya see where obama and entourage are going on yet another vacation, to stay in a $7.6 million dollar house? His arrogance smells like rotting meat.

  • Dave

    What has the GOP/Conservatives done for working people again? Oh yeah…. Nothing…

    The GOP led House is the most inefective body in my lifetime and he have a jerk of a majority leader in the Senate and a GOP that has engaged in record filibusters in many cases “just because”

    But of course these people have nothing do the lack of progress on the economy… Its all Obama.
    The bed we have made has been 30 years in the making and both parties are at fault and both parties are responsible for the gridlock. Time to end the GOP/Democrat charade

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Dave says — “What has the GOP/Conservatives done for working people again? Oh yeah…. Nothing”.
      That’s all Government can do for working people in general. Sure, they can give some groups special privileges like they give to their Crony Capitalists and Unionists, but if you want what’s best for all workers, then Government needs to get the flock out of our Marketplaces and let people trade among each other voluntarily.

      Those good folks who would like to learn about Real Capitalism, not the mixture of Socialism and Mercantilism that we have now, should read this and learn how things could be without the Government and all it’s surrounding crumb-grabbers in our way:
      http://library.mises.org/books/Kel%20Kelly/The%20Case%20for%20Legalizing%20Capitalism.pdf

    • WTS/JAY

      Dave: What has the GOP/Conservatives done for working people again? Oh yeah…. Nothing…

      What have the liberal-progressives done for working people again? Oh yeah…. Nothing…

      • Dave

        Consumer protection against preditory credit and lending practices…
        A HC system that forbids being turned down for pre-existing conditions.
        Stopping Walmarts from coming in to areas unless they pay a living wage. Walmart increases dependence on the Gov due to lack of wages and benefits….
        Oops…

        • WTS/JAY

          Big WHOOP! Where are the JOBS? Oops…!

          • Diacro

            The Jobs are under the manure left behind by 420 fillibusters. That’s not in the American way of a United States.

          • WTS/JAY

            Fillibusters? Whatever happened to Executive-orders? (-:

          • Diacro

            Go back to high school. You’re not saying reasonable things.

          • WTS/JAY

            And you need to stop lying, Mr. Diacro.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            JAY, it’s very hilarious request.
            LYING is the Liberals “virtue”.

          • Dave

            psychotic behavior is yours Alondra. Have you seen a figure of Jesus Christ in your soup today and called it an act of god?

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Please keep your nonsensical insane murmur.

          • Dave

            And you please stop drinking… You make less sense than usual.

          • Bob666

            I thought maybe they started a 12 step program in the Pig Pen and she was going through DT’s?

          • WTS/JAY

            Do you ever bother reading your, comments, Dave? Increasing your medication might be in order!

          • WTS/JAY

            Where are the JOBS, Dave??? People need jobs, Dave, not WORTHLESS-REGULATIONS!!!!

          • Dave

            The economy tanked in 2008 because we got rid of those “worthless regulations”

          • michiganminuteman

            Alondra, I certainly had you all wrong, your my kind of patriot.

          • michiganminuteman

            Alondra, I certainly had you all wrong, your my kind of patriot.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Thank you.

          • WTS/JAY

            In 2012, the House passed a budget to save and strengthen Medicare and Social Security and to pay off debt and to grow our economy. It passed 30 bills aimed at growing the economy that are still sitting in the Senate. It also passed four budget process reform bills to strengthen the way we account for taxpayer money. The Senate has done nothing! The Senate has not officially passed a budget in years, and not only is that required by law to do so, it’s the responsible thing to do in such perilous economic times.

          • smilee

            OOH back up those medicare and SS bills would only have saved their name and gutted them thus in effect eliminating them and all the rest is garbage bills and thank god the senate was there to keep their destructive intent at bay

          • Matforce

            See the fate of Bill S3816, “Creating American Jobs and Ending Offshoring Act,” 2010; who supported it, who opposed it and what it contained. Here was a bill that would have offered generous tax breaks for USA businesses that hired USA workers (especially veterans), but would have curtailed the gravy train of corporate loopholes, exemptions, itemized deductions, write-offs for “multinationals” who offshore jobs to foreign shores…

          • smilee

            IT is in GOP la la land

          • Dave

            Without Congress, the President is limited in what he can do… as you conservatives are found of saying… we do not live in a dictatorship. I know your conservative president George W Bush said things would be easier if we were.

          • Dave

            Where is the conservatives focus on jobs? No… instead they vote to defund Obamacare 39 times.
            Your side needs to get its collective head of out its collective behind.
            You ask what Liberals are doing for working people and I gave it to you. 3 more things that conservatives have done.

          • WTS/JAY

            boyscout: Where is the conservatives focus on jobs? No… instead they vote to defund Obamacare 39 times.

            Well, at least they were doing something right! Btw, what does Obama-care have to do with creating jobs? If anything, it will hamper job-growth!

            boyscout: Your side needs to get its collective head of out its collective behind.

            Which side is that, Dumbo?

            boyscout: You ask what Liberals are doing for working people and I gave it to you. 3 more things that conservatives have done.

            Insignificant! Besides, none of the items you provided are enforced. Waste of time!

          • Betta

            If things are so great then why is this country circling the drain?

          • WTS/JAY

            Dave: Without Congress, the President is limited in what he can do…

            Are you trying to make funny, Dave? Refresh my memory; how many times has Obama by-passed Congress?

          • Dave

            No, just educate you on economic policy. What econmic policy has Obama go around congress on? Care to name anything?

          • WTS/JAY

            There was never any need for Obama to by-pass Congress on Economic-policies because Obama never had any Economic-policies to begin with. Now, on Foreign-policies, he had plenty, and by-passed Congress on most of them!

          • Dave

            So when are you going to stop lying Jay? I have you 3 things liberals have done for working people to your zero. Then you mention executive orders which then you say Obama did not need any Executive orders..
            You are a really sad and pathetic excuse for a conservative aren’t you?

          • WTS/JAY

            Dave: So when are you going to stop lying Jay? I have you 3 things liberals have done for working people to your zero.

            Again, big WHOOP, Dave! What people need are jobs! What good are the items you provided if people are not working? Where are the JOBS!!!

            Dave: Then you mention executive orders which then you say Obama did not need any Executive orders..

            You need to reread my comments, Dave! What i said was, that, on foreign-policy, Obama has side- stepped Congress on numerous occasions, but when he tries to pass his non-existent economic-policies, he cries “filibuster”.

            Dave: You are a really sad and pathetic excuse for a conservative aren’t you?

            I would seriously consider that question, Dave; were it not for the fact that its coming from you…(-:

          • Dave

            Again, I know you are a conservative so I will explain it again… Liberals have done more for the middle class and poor than conservatives have. I gave you 3 examples… you gave NONE.
            I told you that without Congress enacting legislation, the President cannot do much. You brought up nonsense about executive orders.
            Please read a book on how Gov works, watch the history channel… do something to make you look less sad than you do right now.

          • WTS/JAY

            Where are the JOBS, Dave???

          • WTS/JAY

            Where are the JOBS, Dave???

          • http://socialsity.com/ LastGasp

            When are you people going to realize that it’s not one party or the other? They are both corrupt to the bone and have not represented Americans for decades.

          • jims-blog

            YES he “IS”!!!

          • jims-blog

            Dam Dave, I was reading all your post, unfourtunantly, you sound like a “NOBOMA” cheerleader, to bad you almost sounded like you actually cared about my/our country, huh now Your intelligence or lack thereof is quite apparent.

          • smilee

            You must have been looking in a mirror as that describes you perfectly

          • boyscout

            WTS/JAY you kind of caught me off guard with all of this. To what posting of mine do you refer?

          • WTS/JAY

            3rd comment above.

          • jims-blog

            He bypasses Congress “ALL THE TIME” because Congress is interfering with his and George Sorros plan for the COLAPS of the USA, hope all you NOBOMA supporters enjoy your Sharia and the TRASH they wear so NOT to show there faces!! To all who voted this “USELESS Clown in office. Dam sorry I “LOVE THE USA”

          • smilee

            NEVER! that is all GOP rhetoric and simply untrue and if he had they would have gone to court fast to stop him and they have not so it is all BS

        • jims-blog

          Yeah, Walmart doesn’t pay a living wage, yea your right it’s the fault of the GOP, dumbass, it’s the WALMART GREED not the GOP’s. GET your FACTS STRAIGHT before you open your “PIE HOLE”

          • smilee

            Their greeds are equal!!

      • Motov

        Umm the second part is inaccurate,….Raised Taxes, and the cost of living, not to mention our debt.
        In other words made the taxpayers burden heavier

      • smilee

        Nothing in quite a while due to GOP filibusters so they could not!!

  • mary strouth

    I agree with Mr. Meehan and Mr. Cohan 100percent

  • WTS/JAY

    According to The European Union Times, the Russian Finance Minister Tatyana Nesterenko prepared a report about the Eurogroup meeting of the Informal Economic and Financial Affairs Council in Wroclaw, Poland. In it, she said that the EU Finance Minsters were stunned after Timothy Geithner appeared uninvited to the meeting and started yelling at the participants for their bad economic policies in handling the European debt. After asked whether this is the position of his President, Barack Obama, Geithner replied, “OBAMA IS NOT IN CHARGE.”

    The EU Finance Ministers are not the only ones stunned. Those of us who have been following Geithner’s career are stunned too. What does Mrs. Nesterenko mean, that Timothy Geithner really said something true in his life? She must be kidding!

    Seems like some moral transformation happens to Geithner when he crosses the Atlantic. On this side he can’t say anything else but lies. On the other side he tells the truth – both about the EU handling of their debt and about the incompetence and the inability of his Democrat President to handle the highest government position in this nation. There must be something really redeeming about flying over the Big Pond if it can transform a habitual, shameless liar into a fervent prophet of the truth. May be we need to keep Geithner over in Europe longer, and organize for him as many European meetings as we can. This way we may be able to learn lots of truths about the real mess Obama and his cronies have cooked for us this side of the Atlantic.

    We shouldn’t be awfully surprised that Obama is not in charge. It was obvious he collapsed psychologically long ago: when British Petroleum brought tons of oil to the American shores and the highly praised puppet of Soros in the White House couldn’t bear the burden of responsibility to make a single decision to address the situation. We don’t need Geithner to know that at the present America has no President to be worth mentioning. After all, Larry Summers confided to Peter Orszag not long ago that “…we’re really home alone. There’s no adult in charge.” Of course there isn’t.

    I am just a little jealous that Geithner tells the truth only to non-Americans. Come on, Tim, we deserve to hear the truth as much as the Europeans do. We are paying your salary, right?

    http://godfatherpolitics.com/1158/geithner-obama-is-not-in-charge/

    • jims-blog

      But “NOBOMA” has a NICE comfortable place for the Americians who refuse to comply with this “IDIOT” have you NOT seen the “CONSERTRATION CAMPS” he has for you??? And COFFINS? DUMBASS

  • $20580097

    I am a democrat who voted for obama and I am sick of him and his self serving policies it is time for him to go!

    • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

      Why didn’t you finish your line: “it is time for him to go!”?
      …it is time for him to go to JAIL !!!

      • $20580097

        because I knew you would be out there to help me finish it up Thanks Alondra!

        • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

          Yeah, I guess it my certain UNALIENABLE RIGHTS which is endowed by MY Creator. And one of those Rights is the pursuit of Happiness. I am happy to be useful for you Dada111. Thanks for the priceless opportunity.

          May God bless you and yours.

          P.S. Sorry, I am not sure if you are allergic for God reference. But any way, I hope you will not take it as an insult.

      • michiganminuteman

        Alonddra, I think I my have misunderstood your post. If so, please except my appalogee. (yes I know I an not the worlds best speller)

        • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

          Accepted. No Worries. The “spelling” is more important in the reasoning and logic.
          Peace and Love.

      • jims-blog

        not Jail, i’m thinking a 6 foot deep hole, pushin up Dasies

  • Joe Spennato

    Why is he not in prison yet?

    • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

      I guess the RINOs are waiting for the new “PHONY” scandals.

      • michiganminuteman

        Alondra………your ignorance is showing……….you see it’s the Rino’s that are helping insulate obummer with their self serving “go along to get along” attitudes. People like you are the reason we are in this mess? As for the scandals, there are so many now that frankly I can’t keep up with them. Does Fast and Furious, Bengasi, the NSA spying or the IRS issue ring any bells with your obviously limited intellect? Or how about his devisive ploys to drive a big old wedge between the haves and the have not’s, blacks against white’s, legal citizens against illegals and on and on. The thing is, I’m wasting my time trying to explain these concepts to lib’s like you. Your type won’t get it until we are all equally miserable standing in line for bread and toilet paper.

        • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

          So you need more illegal immigrants.
          I was legal one and now I am a PROUD American Citizen.

          Alondra, Proud Naturalized American, Un-Apologetic Christian Bigot, the Tea Party Lover (in any sense), definite Homo“phobe” & Islamo“phobe”, the PC snubber and the Hater of the VOLUNTARY Stupidity and Idiocy

        • NickCzudy

          MIchigan M.Man…. You are the one that is showing his ignorance.
          None of what you mentioned has shown that there was any scandal involved. After months and years of investigations, all of the accusations were proven to be false. ergo, there are no scandals. It was pathetic to watch Rep Daryl Issa, desperately looking for evidence that would justify the Right Wing accusations of scandals. None were found. What was found was the he would not call witnesses that went against his chosen outcome. If the evidence would prove that there was no scandal, then he would not call them to testify, All of these so called scams were slim threads for the GOP to be able to pin after 5 years one solitary but if evidence to use to discredit the Dems. None were found. All were proven to be false.

          The problem with the GOP is that they would have used every effort to win favour and to cheat. They would have had many scandals. They therefore cannot imagine that there is a government that is not corrupt. They have not been able to find a single thing to discredit Obama and his administration.
          So instead of flogging a dead horse with Benghazi, Fast & Furious, IRA, NSA Spuing, Birth certificate, and on and on. How about the GOP actually do something to get the economy going. instead of wasting taxpayers money to try and make out country fail. No wonder you have such a poor opinion of our government.
          Their purpose is not to let you sleep at night. Theirs is to protect our country from our enemies. Their job is to help Americans in disasters when they are struck with calamity from natural causes. Their job is to create an environment that promotes growth, business and jobs, so that all Americans can make a living and get their kids educated and to improve conditions in America.

          Their purpose is not to take over 100 million in bribes from the Health sector, who have abused Americans for decades by charging outrageous fees for their services. Why do you think that the GOP have tried to repeal Obamacare over 38 times? Why do they constantly belly ache over Obamacare,.. Because they and their buddies have made billions over the decades and they do not want to give that up.

          All other democratic and wealthy countries in the world, have a much better, single payer system that gives all of their citizens good and inexpensive healthcare. No one loses their houses and wealth by getting sick.
          The US system is a joke and only a means for a small group of people at the top make a fortune and the rest of us are losing in upward mobility and our life style.

          It is time to get these types of politicians out of government, as they are doing nothing for us.
          The GOP are the ones that are creating the class wars between the haves and the have nots. The main thing is that they have all of you in their back pocket. They screw you with the laws they want to enact, yet they spoon feed you lies and convince you that you will be better for it. You all eat these lies up and keep voting for them into power.
          Just look at all of the GOP run states how they are racing each other to restrict voting for Americans and are making it more difficult to vote. This is worse than many third world countries. USA is supposed to be the leader in this world for democracy and freedom. Texas and North Carolina are doing the opposite. They are taking away freedoms and taking a step back in time when there was corruption and the loss of freedoms.
          Open your eyes and analyze what is happening. Do not listen to those under the Right Wing Bubble with their constant lies. Look at and see the truth. You may be better off for it.

          Warm regards
          Nick Czudy

          • michiganminuteman

            You are so completely blind. As one very wise man said, “no one is so blind as those who will not see”. As for me, I say GO SUCK AN EGG!

          • NickCzudy

            Typical Right Wing Bubble response. You cannot debate or discuss things with the Right Wing without them getting belligerent and caustic. You all deserve each other.

            Maybe you are the ones that need to be deported.

          • smilee

            You keep that dirty talk up we will have to SPANK you!!!

          • smilee

            WOW you really get it, run for office and I will vote for you!!

        • jmprint

          “equally miserable standing in line for bread and toilet paper.”

          We are not there because we voted for President Obama.

          • michiganminuteman

            Another court jester chimes in.

          • jims-blog

            Wanna BET!!! Now go and call the WH on your “NOBOMA” Phone dumbass

      • jims-blog

        and how many “SCANDELS” has he “MADE” himself? ALL of them to deflect “ATTENTION” away from his REAL “INTENTIONS” the COLAPS of the USA. Furthermore the GMO’s …..never mind the people who voted him in, not once but twice, should have to “JOIN” his dumbass in “JAIL”!!!

    • WTS/JAY

      Because, Joe, that would be racist! (-:

    • smilee

      You do not put people in jail in this country (usually) until they have committed a crime and he has not even been charged with one.

      • jims-blog

        He SHOULD have been CHARGED for being “STUPID OUT OF SEASON” sorry him being STUPID is his “ONLY” claim to fame!!! The healthcare just “PROVES” his STUPIDITY!!! I “HATE” OBOMA the DUMBASS

        • smilee

          Another one of your childish tantrums. You really need to do something about your vocabulary it is so childish and abusive.

        • Robbie

          Not only do you have vocabulary issues but you certainly have some mental issues as well. Seek some anger management help.

    • jims-blog

      I’m wondering that myself!!! NOBOMA is an “IDIOT”!!! With NO EXPERIENCE running a MAJOR Corporation!! He has “NO” experience at ANYTHING!!! NOBOMA is truly an “IDIOT”!!!

      • smilee

        What does running a major corporations have to do with running the government as they are two very different animals and require two very different skill sets which most CEO’s do not have and yourt mentality is what is blinding you to reality as you certainly do not understand reality.

  • Ibn Insha

    In his speech Obama said, “This growing inequality, it’s not just morally wrong, it’s bad economics,”

    Where did Obama learn that inequality is morally wrong? Probably in Marxist books. If wealth earned by moral means causes inequality it is not immoral. Should one stop working because his neighbor is earning less than him? And how does he define inequality? It is subjective. Is inequality caused by a few people working hard and smart to get wealthy or by a lot of people being lazy and hoping to get rich by playing lottery.

    Inequality is fact of life. Everybody cannot be equal except under Communism. Under Communism everybody is equally miserable. Warren Buffet earns a million times more than I do but I am doing OK. This inequality does not cause me pain. As a matter of fact inequality helps, specially those who do not have the aptitude or inclination to earn a lot of money, to find a job with those who are wealthy.

    Obama continued to say, “When wealth concentrates at the very top, it can inflate unstable bubbles that threaten the economy.”

    How can wealth concentrated at the very top inflate unstable bubbles? Never heard of a bubble caused by a few people. In order to have a bubble you need a lot of people doing the same stupid thing. Does housing bubble come to mind?

    Our economy is a bubble perpetuated by our insatiable desire for spending both at public sector as well as private sector resulting in lack of savings and devaluation of currency. We have come to the point where our economic bubble has burst and our economy is stagnant if not shrinking. Due to Obama’s anti business policies such as high taxes and unnecessary regulations businesses see an uncertain future and thus are laying off employees or not hiring. The same middle class that Obama supposedly wants to help is being hurt by his policies. The middle class has nobody to thank for this but Obama that they voted into office twice.

    Mr. Obama has his head buried where sun does not shine and it is not sand I am talking about. I am not surprised at what Obama believes in, I am surprised at people who buy his crap and not question his twisted logic.

    • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

      “Do not blame Caesar, BLAME the PEOPLE of Rome who have so enthusiastically acclaimed and adored him and rejoiced in their loss of freedom and danced in his path and given him triumphal processions. BLAME the PEOPLE who hail him when he speaks in the Forum of the new wonderful good society which shall now be Rome’s, INTERPRETED to mean more money, more ease, more security, and more living fatly at the expense of the industrious.” – The quote attributed to Marcus Tullius
      Cicero, (106-43 BC) Roman philosopher and statesman

      “In a REPUBLIC this rule ought to be observed: that the majority SHOULD NOT have the predominant power.” – Marcus Tullius Cicero

    • smilee

      If you understood that inequality of opportunity was not the same as inequality per sae you would have not made all those silly conclusions you made. Obama understands that you appear to ignorant too understand it. We would not need all the welfare for working people that has grew so very large since we shifted most of the profits to a very few beginning in the 80:s rather that paying the employees what they have earned for the company and not having to put them on welfare so they can subsist. That is what it is all about. This inequality with 2% having almost all the wealth creates 2% with almost everything and the other 98% ending up in abject poverty which is were we are headed is bad economics and is immoral. That was his point and you missed and thus this BS from you.

      • BHR

        If you want more out of life quite being the victim. Most people who have money work 80 hours or more a week or started working 2 or 3 jobs when they were young. Learn your job and do it well. Do you ever think about how well the company does or is it all about you.

        • smilee

          All garbage talk and nothing applies to my post so I’ll ignore it all as it is not worth responding to

      • jims-blog

        Your an NOBOMA “IDIOT”…….DUMBASS

        • smilee

          You have the vocabulary of a little child and I suspect you behave that way too.

      • http://socialsity.com/ LastGasp

        The only thing obama understands is how to game the system to realize his dream of destroying America. Just because Commies are now called “progressives” doesn’t make them (or you) any less of a communist.

        • Robbie

          Clearly you do not know what communism is.

          • http://socialsity.com/ LastGasp

            It’s the thought that counts.

          • Robbie

            Not if the thought is foolish.

          • smilee

            Clearly you don’t as this is not communism it is constitutional under our Constitution unless you think that is communism too.

        • smilee

          Your so confused, please seek help with the problem.

      • Matforce

        The great wage disparity that has occurred over the past 30 years has consolidated wealth at the top like we haven’t seen since the days of the Robber Barons a century ago. Maybe you think that there’s something wrong with a USA that promoted all of its citizens’ prosperity, but I don’t; it’s smart business. A middle class with disposable income will bolster retail sales and crank up the economy (this is if this increase actually boosts production in the USA and results in paychecks going into the pockets of USA workers like it used to do before the middle class was kicked to the curb for sweatshop labor on foreign soil.)

        Even so, during the past 30 years real output in the business sector grew by 140%. Real compensation per hour (includes wages, benefits, pensions, and health insurance) increased by only 38% for the middle class worker.

        Post WWII, 1947-1979 America shared equally in the increase in output. During those years the increase that the bottom 20% received was 116%, the top 20% got an increase of 99%, and the middle quintiles increased somewhere within that range.

        Then the world flipped! From 1980 to 2007 the rich took practically all the increase in income. Over those decades, the poor received only a 15% increase and the middle three quintiles got a 25% increase, while the top 20% got a 95% increase and the top 1% received a raise of close to 300%, and they were compensated fabulously before this trend began (Paul Heise, PhD, Economics).

        • smilee

          There is nothing you said that I disagree with!

    • jims-blog

      Noboma has “NO” logic, he only wants to share “HIS” misery, I mean If I were married to Michell I would be “MISERABLE” TOO!!! Has NOBOMA volenterred to “Reimburse” the COUNTRY for “HIS” salary, he hasen’t done a dam thing to “EARN” his Salary, “NOBOMA” is a LOSER!!

      • Robbie

        What is your definition of “a LOSER”? President Obama has 3 university degrees, he was editor and the then president of the prestigious Harvard Law Review, he taught law at the university level, he was elected to the state senate and then to the federal senate and then to the presidency of the United States of America and then elected President a second time with a majority and a stunning victory in the electoral college and along the way picked up the Nobel Prize for Peace and wrote a couple of books. If that sounds like being a LOSER I wonder what you have to do to be a winner. Maybe YOU are the loser.

        • Robbie

          Just goes to show you that money can’t buy smart.

  • cipriano beltran

    Obama is always wrong in every way and time that he speaks .

  • cipriano beltran

    Obama is always wrong in every way and time that he speaks .

  • Matforce

    Check list of (middle class friendly) accomplishments/proposals below, despite record 425 filibusters from obstructionist, Party of NO, “The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president,” GOP…
    1. Affordable Care Act (availing health insurance to 30 – 40 million USA citizens who cannot afford a private plan.)
    2. $789B economic stimulus package
    3. U.S. auto industry bail out (GM and Chrysler)
    4. Cash for clunkers
    5. Incentives for buyers of hybrid automobiles
    6. Housing rescue plan and incentives for first time home buyers
    7. Credits for purchasers of energy efficient appliances
    8. Equal pay for women
    9. $716B MEDICARE savings over next 10 years to keep program solvent
    10. Lower drug costs for seniors and elimination of donut hole
    11. Ended policy forbidding Medicare from negotiating for cheaper drugs.
    12. Limited lobbyist’s access to the White House
    13. Ended the war in Iraq
    14. Closed secret detention facilities in Eastern Europe and ended renditions
    15. Removed restrictions on embryonic stem-cell and biomedical research
    16. Increased infrastructure spending (roads, bridges, power plants) after years of neglect
    17. Funded high-speed, broadband Internet access to K-12 schools
    18. Expanded the SCHIP program to cover health care for 4 million more children
    19. Expanded Pell grant program and implemented easier loan repayment policy
    20. Phased out the expensive F-22 war plane and other outdated weapons systems
    21. The Guantanamo prison camp is being phased out
    22. Torture banned. U.S. now in compliance with the Geneva Convention
    23. Better body armor provided to our troops
    24. Restarted the nuclear nonproliferation and nuclear inspection talks
    25. Increased pay and benefits for military personnel
    26. Improved housing for military personnel and veterans benefits
    27. Proposed a Veterans Jobs Act (filibustered by the GOP)
    28. Ended no-bid defense contract policy
    29. Closed offshore tax havens (sorry Mitt)
    30. Negotiated deal with Swiss banks to allow US government access to records of tax evaders and criminals
    31. Ended tax benefits to corporations that outsource American jobs
    32. Championed credit card consumer protection legislation
    33. Expanded loans and tax credits to small businesses
    34. Appointed the first Latina to the Supreme Court
    35. Limited salaries of senior White House aides to $100,000
    36. Renewed loan guarantees for Israel
    37. Ordered the raid that killed Osama bin Laden and authorized drone strikes against Al Qaeda targets in Pakistan, Yemen and other countries
    38. Ordered Regulations Review to boost USA business growth (elimination of unnecessary regulations)

    • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

      “Get the facts first, and then you can distort them as you please.” ~ Mark Twain

      Matforce, you did comply with the second part, but where is the First?

      • Matforce

        Witty! Alondra, not that this is a list that contains measures that I believe will bring the USA back to its once glorious status when our middle class consumer market was the envy of the world, but which one of these proposals draws your ire the most?

    • Don in Ohio

      Matforce,
      1. Wrong, Odumbocare isn’t going to help ANYONE.
      2. $789B borrowed from China and what was stimulated?
      3. How much of the GM and Chrysler bailout hasn’t and never will be paid back?
      4. C4C, raised the price of used cars which hurt the poor.
      5. Why should I pay for someone else to buy a hybrid car?
      6. Ditto for houses.
      7. Ditto for appliances.
      8.. Women have had equal pay protection for years, what’s new?
      9. $0 medicare savings.
      10. I’m paying more for drugs.
      11. How much has that helped?
      12. Really?
      13. Really?
      14. If they were secret, how do you know about them?
      15. Only for government funded research, who’s paying for this?
      16. Who’s paying for this, more borrowing from China.
      17. Ditto.
      18. Ditto.
      19. Ditto.
      20. This is an ongoing just like buying a new car every few years.
      21. 5 years after promised.
      22. What torture?
      23. OK, I agree with that one (if it’s actually true.)
      24. We get rid of hundreds and Russia gets rid of tens.
      25. OK, I agree with that one (if it’s actually true.)
      26. Ditto.
      27. EVERYBODY needs a job, not just veterans. If the government got out of the way, businesses would create jobs. The only jobs the gov can create is gov jobs.
      28. Really?

      29. Really?
      30. If we had the FAIRTAX system, there would far less tax cheating.
      31. Ditto.
      32. No one has to have a credit card, so do we need protection from ourselves?
      33. Who’s paying for this?
      34. Yep, WAY FAR LEFT DINGBAT.
      35. I’d like to have a $100,000 salary.
      36. Who going to pay for this?
      37. Bin laden, thanks to Bush; Drones, including children.
      38. This may eliminate a few but will have NO real effect.
      Now for some other things;
      A. Took no action to protect the Benghazi site.
      B. Approved of IRS stonewalling of TEA party applications (not quite proven yet but I’m sure it will be).
      C. NSA spying, maybe this message will be read.
      D. Providing guns to drug dealers, F&F.

      E. Allowing the FED to completely destroy our economy.
      F.. Stonewalling the Keystone pipeline FOR NO REASON other than votes.
      G. Allowing (aiding) the EPA in killing the coal industry.
      H. Lots more but I’m getting tired.

      All in all, a VERY POOR RECORD.
      Don

      • jmprint

        ALL CRAP

        • Don in Ohio

          So tell me why they crap.
          I got twice as many ups as downs.

        • michiganminuteman

          Yes, obummer is ALL CRAP

        • Devasahayam

          Like the contents of your skull!

      • jims-blog

        I agree with our position, “WHO” is going to pay for “ALL” this. I wonder if “NOBOMA” is going to forego his Salary, doubt it!!! useless is as, useless does, NOBOMA just takes “USELSS” to a whole new level!!!

    • BigGeezer

      thanks for making our point as to the ineptness, and total failure of obama. You really think you’re defending obama by your list of failures… which are also inaccurate as well…

      Limited lobbyist’s access to the White House… he has more bought and sold lobbyists than any other president…

      Limited salaries of senior White House aides to $100,000… just do a little homework… you’re not even close to being accurate.

      And by the way… #25 was proposed by Republican Congress…

      • Matforce

        http://www.ted.com/talks/paddy_ashdown_the_global_power_shift.html

        Geezer, my biggest concern for the USA is the jobs exodus that America, Inc. has perpetrated against the USA worker to garner a larger share for the offshoring corporations. Without a rehashing of the FTAs, tax policies, , micromanagement through regulations, (thanks in large part to ambulance chasing lawyers seeking liability), and the impact of the Unions, l contend that the BIG BAD GOVERNMENT is the ONLY entity that CAN intervene to stave off a total sellout of the USA to a total corporate monopoly where the “trans-nationals” in this relatively new age of “globalism” are calling the shots that benefit only tthe “multinationals.” The following is an excerpt from a NY Times:

        “Finally, the Fed’s easy-money policies have pushed investors into the stock market because bond yields are so low. The yield on the 10-year U.S. Treasury note is still around 2 percent. This has also fueled the bull market.

        All of this spells widening inequality in America. People who invest the most in the stock market have high incomes. Those who rely most on wages have lower incomes.

        Corporate profits are claiming a larger share of national income than at any time in 60 years, while the portion of total income going to employees is near its lowest since 1966.

        As my colleague Emmanuel Saez recently found, all the economic gains between 2009 and 2011 (the last year for which data were available) went to the richest 1 percent of Americans. The bottom 99 percent has continued to lose ground.

        And yet the tax code continues to give preference to capital gains over ordinary income — a major advantage to investors but not to people who rely on paychecks for their living.

        In coming months, the sequestration is likely to make all this worse, since it will slow the U.S. economy and keep unemployment higher than otherwise.

        It’s also hurting the most vulnerable among us — eliminating low-income rental subsidies and emergency homeless shelters, reducing unemployment benefits, squeezing federal aid for poor schools, and cutting nutrition assistance for poor women and infants.

        The health of an economy is not measured by the profits of corporations headquartered within it or the value of its stock market. It depends on how many of the people have jobs, whether those jobs pay decent wages, and what happens to those who don’t have jobs or whose wages don’t lift them out of poverty.

        By this measure, America remains a long way from economic health.

        The role of government, meanwhile, should be to level the playing field so hardworking people have a fair chance.

        Yet not for a century have public policies so blatantly helped the most fortunate among us, so cruelly harmed the least fortunate, and exposed so many average working Americans to such widespread insecurity.”

    • jims-blog

      “NOBOMA” should be PUT in “PRISON” Indefinitely!!! For “TREASON” with “NO” chance of “Parole” and “NO” retirement or SS protection, he should face a “FIREING SQUAD”

      • Matforce

        Come on, Jim; tell us how you really feel

        • jims-blog

          About “NOBOMA”,…….HE SUCKS!!!

        • Devasahayam

          He did. Your post reminds me of “Two letters both open” essay by EB White, where he had taken a tax-notice to a lawyer who said “it doesn’t mean anything” — you are like that lawyer, you can’t understand plain English (or Americanese) due to never having used it yourself!

        • jims-blog

          Prison would be “TOO” good for “NOBOMA”!! Personally a “FIREING SQUAD” would work better!!

    • Robbie

      You also have SEVERE vocabulary problems. Readers might respect your views if you didn’t come across as an uneducated foul mouthed jackass.

    • smilee

      Not totally disabled as your mouth still seems to work albeit not well!!

  • Matforce

    Check list of (middle class friendly) accomplishments/proposals below, despite record 425 filibusters from obstructionist, Party of NO, “The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president,” GOP…
    1. Affordable Care Act (availing health insurance to 30 – 40 million USA citizens who cannot afford a private plan.)
    2. $789B economic stimulus package
    3. U.S. auto industry bail out (GM and Chrysler)
    4. Cash for clunkers
    5. Incentives for buyers of hybrid automobiles
    6. Housing rescue plan and incentives for first time home buyers
    7. Credits for purchasers of energy efficient appliances
    8. Equal pay for women
    9. $716B MEDICARE savings over next 10 years to keep program solvent
    10. Lower drug costs for seniors and elimination of donut hole
    11. Ended policy forbidding Medicare from negotiating for cheaper drugs.
    12. Limited lobbyist’s access to the White House
    13. Ended the war in Iraq
    14. Closed secret detention facilities in Eastern Europe and ended renditions
    15. Removed restrictions on embryonic stem-cell and biomedical research
    16. Increased infrastructure spending (roads, bridges, power plants) after years of neglect
    17. Funded high-speed, broadband Internet access to K-12 schools
    18. Expanded the SCHIP program to cover health care for 4 million more children
    19. Expanded Pell grant program and implemented easier loan repayment policy
    20. Phased out the expensive F-22 war plane and other outdated weapons systems
    21. The Guantanamo prison camp is being phased out
    22. Torture banned. U.S. now in compliance with the Geneva Convention
    23. Better body armor provided to our troops
    24. Restarted the nuclear nonproliferation and nuclear inspection talks
    25. Increased pay and benefits for military personnel
    26. Improved housing for military personnel and veterans benefits
    27. Proposed a Veterans Jobs Act (filibustered by the GOP)
    28. Ended no-bid defense contract policy
    29. Closed offshore tax havens (sorry Mitt)
    30. Negotiated deal with Swiss banks to allow US government access to records of tax evaders and criminals
    31. Ended tax benefits to corporations that outsource American jobs
    32. Championed credit card consumer protection legislation
    33. Expanded loans and tax credits to small businesses
    34. Appointed the first Latina to the Supreme Court
    35. Limited salaries of senior White House aides to $100,000
    36. Renewed loan guarantees for Israel
    37. Ordered the raid that killed Osama bin Laden and authorized drone strikes against Al Qaeda targets in Pakistan, Yemen and other countries
    38. Ordered Regulations Review to boost USA business growth (elimination of unnecessary regulations)

  • BHR

    Obama has no clue how to fix America. The only people who like him are the people getting handouts. Environmentalist like him because he is shutting down American business. Our economy is getting worst. Most people still supporting him have not taken a class on economics and many probably can’t read.
    Obamacare is not going to be free, every one will pay more, even people on welfare will have money deducted from their checks to help pay. Food prices are going up because of all the new taxes and fees. Gasoline is increasing, even the government is saying gas will never be under $5 a gallon. Fewer full time jobs which is happening now.

    • jmprint

      Obviously you missed your economics class. You sound like a parrot repeating GOP rhetoric.

      • BHR

        I did just fine in economics. Are you telling me Obama is doing a good job. Have you even read the healthcare bill, I have. My wife is a manager at one of the largest hospitals on the west coast. Her job for the last 2 years is to cut all costs possible at the hospital. Hospitals are going to be paid less under Obamacare. Most hospitals do not know if they are going to stay open because of Obamacare. So far the hospital my wife works at has layed off 2000 people, just because of Obamacare. Every body has taken a pay cut. The managers have taken the largest pay cuts.
        Unless you have read the healthcare bill, work with it every day and have at Least a masters in business, do not tell me how good Obama is doing. When all the new taxes and fees hiting by 2015 the middle class will be in distress.
        America is bankrupt and on the verge of financial collapse, the economy is getting worst. Who is going to pay for all this healthcare? Big business already pays for most of its people. And Obama gave them a 2 year mandate. The private Individual
        Has no reprieve they have to have insurance by 1,1,2014. Where do you think the money is coming from? Remember 80 percent of all working people work for small business. That’s a lot of families that have to come up with $1200 to $2500 per month.

        • Matforce

          Businesses who supply their employees with a private health care plan are exempt from the mandate. The mandate, to my understanding, is imposed on those who aren’t covered by a private plan, a 2.5% tax on their gross adjusted earnings as their contribution to the ACA fund. Businesses who don’t currently supply their employees with coverage would be assessed a $1,000 per employee to contribute to the general fund. This mandate is a rub for the young because they’re likely not to need it (will they stay young forever? Of course not.) It’s a rub for the small business owner because they’re having a tough enough time competing in the world of large corporations that practically write the laws our legislature pump out.
          There are 30-40 million Americans that cannot afford a private plan and are one serious illness or accident away from losing their home and liquidating all they own to cover the medical expenses (do you guys understand what that is like?) A comprehensive private plan with a low deductible cost about $1,000/mo. What middle class family can afford that?
          ACA was extremely cognizant of the immense fortunes that are tied up in the insurance industry and was careful to include them in the mix. The ACA fund from the mandate is supposed to be there as an “exchange” for the private insurance industry to use to cover those who don’t have their own private plan and are not covered by their employer. Nation-wide, there will be $Billions available for private insurance companies to tap into to cover those without a private plan of their own.
          The part of ACA that has those in the industry in a tizzy is the part that says that 80% of the $BILLIONS in ACA funds that private insurance companies can tap into must be used for… ready for this?… health insurance! (the audacity!) Not 6 or 7 figure CEO, board of director, executive team salaries, not the 2% in, 20% out fees hedge fund managers extract for their play in the Wall Street casino. I suspect those blood curdling cries you hear from the insurance lobby and their lackeys on both sides of the isle, but especially the right has something to do with this part of the law.
          So now many states are pressured to opt out and the those in the insurance lobby are threatening to boycott it and let those 30-40 million USA citizens hang, the suckers! BWAAAAHAAAAAHAAA!!!

        • traditional republican

          Actually hospitals in general are doing just fine and will continue to do so under Obamacare. When the ACA takes effect and fewer people show up uninsured in ER’s, the overall picture will look much better. Who do you think picks up the bill when uninsured people fill the emergency rooms and can’t pay under today’s policies?

        • smilee

          I too have read the entire ACA law and you are not describing what is actually in it. Obamacare does not take effect until next year so why the crazy cutbacks before it does and most hospitals are now doing fine and they will be doing fine next year. The sky is not falling despite your dire predictions and are just scare tactics. Your post is clearly only rhetoric and not based on reality.

      • jims-blog

        Oboma “IS” Incompetent!!! And “USELESS”!!!

    • Devasahayam

      “Obama has no clue how to fix America” — you’re assuming Bill Ayers’ protege wants to actually fix it.

      • jims-blog

        He doesn’t, it would “COST” this LAME “IDIOT” the entire Nation. The Nation that can’t find jobs, NOBOMA thinks every Americian is “RESPONSIBILITY” to Pay for there “LAZINESS”, when is “NOBOMA” going to repay the country for his “INCOMPTINESS”

        • Devasahayam

          Crore percent on the nail!

      • jims-blog

        At the rate bho is going there won’t be anything left to save!!

        • smilee

          WOW no name calling or swearing, I ask is that progress, no wait and see for awhile!

      • jims-blog

        At the rate bho is going there won’t be anything left to save!!

    • smilee

      Why then is it that the greatest use of handouts are given to citizens in red states and those states did not vote vote for Obama. Our economy is getting better albeit not at a fast as we would like but that is far better than going backwards as was the case when Obama came to office. No one not even Obama ever said Obamacare was going to be free just cheaper after it is fully implemented. Food and gasoline prices rise and fall based on market conditions and Obama has no control of that as no previous president did either. There is no new taxes on either food or gasoline. . Do you have any other lies you wish to spread!

      • BHR

        I know what I am talking about. My wife is a manager of one the largest hospitals on the west coast. There have 120 hospitals in her group. Her job for the last 2 years is know the Obamacare plan. They are also a not for profit hospital.
        Obamacare is going to cut payments to the hospitals. They have to have a whole new department that just sees people are happy, if people complain about service, Obamacare does not pay this department. It works in every level of the hospital. This alone will add Hugh costs. The hospitals are suppose to do more with less money. All the employees have taken a large pay cut, managers the most. Because of Obamacare the hospital has layed off 2000 people and will be laying off more. They are getting close to unsafe staffing levels.

        Obviously you know nothing about business. Businesses have plans at least 10 years out.
        Her hospital does not know if they can stay open when Obamacare hits next year.
        Like I said above there are120 hospitals in the company she works for but she travels all over America meeting hundreds of reps from other hospitals figuring how to work with Obamacare.
        Who do you think is going to pay for Obamacare, the answer is every one. The businesses that have more than 50 employees got a reprieve but about 90 percent of them have healthcare. 80 percent of people work for company’s with less than 50 employees, so all these people will have to buy Insurance for themselves and family. The government is going help some of these people but not what they think, a family of 4 per month will pay $1800 to $2500 per month. The workers will not be able to pay. Half of the subsidies come from the $700 billion the government is taking from Medicare. There is a law suit coming too stop the money from Medicare because that is money the retired have paid in from their social security. If you actually read the whole plan you would have read doctors get a rebate for withholding care from seniors.
        This is the single biggest expense in the history of the world a country has tried to do. Most cities and counties in America are bankrupt and the true debt of America is not $17 trillion but when you add up IOUS for social security and long term debt bonds and other monies taken that have to be paid back is $87 trillion. America can not survive this plan. Let me know in two years you are doing. Do you know the Obamacare bill is around 20 thousand pages with all the updates and changes and each states plan.

        • smilee

          No you do not know, The 700 billion coming from out of Medicare is future saving from paying Medicare C insurance plans the same as A & B insurance plans which since 04 they had been costing 14% more than A & B and now they are paid the same, this was a smart cost savings measure and costs them nothing and no Medicare recipients in C will lose any benefits and this is a win win for all but the far right propaganda machine is still pushing this big lie.. These saving will be shifted to cover some of the costs of Obamacare, they did not come from tax withholding and SS taxes do not pay for Medicare any way so that claim of yours is bogus to and the law suit you talk of is frivolous and will not prevail. Those hospital cuts come only in Medicare and no other insurance and then only if patients come back within 30 days after being discharged and it is to prevent too early discharges but if they do not screw up this will cost them nothing and may prevent lawsuits.. All insurance claims in Obamacare are private plans and not government insurance plans and the plans will be required to provide more coverage but has nothing to do with premiums and payments to providers from insurance plans except limiting premiums to no more than 20% of premiums colected which should help keep premiums down some. Medicare is the only plands that can place penalties charged to providers. Either your wife is pulling your leg or you are a far right propaganda distributor as your whole post is pure BS

  • Louis Lemieux

    Every year over three million and a half Americans quit working simply because they go into retirement.

  • Matforce

    After 30 years of favor for our top earners, corporate loopholes (itemized
    deductions, write-offs, credits, subsidies, etc.), FTAs that allow our
    offshoring “multinationals,” or “transnationals” to exploit sweatshop labor forces offshore, as they kick the high wage USA worker to the curb, then park their $TRILLIONS in profits in offshore accounts to stiff their nation of origin and absolve themselves from responsibility to contribute to that nation that is anywhere near commensurate with the privileges they enjoy, while the unemployed/underemployed middle class tries to pick up the tap for the most sophisticated, affluent, powerful, and expensive nation in the world, it is time for these fat cats and globalists to put their shoulder to the wheel in an effort to save America the Beautiful, once the land of opportunity for all, instead of fleecing her for all she’s worth.

    • jims-blog

      To LATE thank the DEMS for that!!

  • traditional republican

    As much as I oppose many Democrat policies and unions in general, I also have a feeling that the anti Obama campaign is wrong and racist. This article, along with most Tea Party rantings, tries to make Obama responsible for GWB failings by starting with jobless numbers from February. 2009. The first year of any presidency isn’t the new president’s problem, its the legacy of the previous president. Looking at jobless claims after Obama passed a too small stimulus bill and making some other changes, his record looks not only good, but outstanding. Jobs created, deficit reduced, an attempt at controlling health care, all that makes him a hero to anyone who can get past his skin color and the fact that he’s a Democrat. That he was able to do anything in the face of unyielding Tea Party obstructionism and intransigence is a miracle. Lets remember that our current economic woes are not Obama’s fault but the actions of GWB doing what no leader in the history of the world had ever done, going to war and cutting taxes simultaneously. When you go to war, your raise taxes or you get what we have now. Our current economic and job problems are the natural result of that policy and until we bring taxes (yes, an increase) in line with our war spending, we will continue to have economic malaise.

    • jims-blog

      “IDIOT”!!!!

      • traditional republican

        You left out your message. All I got was your name

        • smilee

          Good Come Back and so true!

    • http://socialsity.com/ LastGasp

      It sure is a breath of fresh air to have someone making the same old, tired excuses for obama’s shortcomings as a president. Let’s see, blame it on Bush, heard that before. Tea Party obstructionism, that’s nothing new. The racism card is an old favorite, but very feeble from overuse. Then, after repeating the same old liberal dogma, introduce totally unsubstantiated “feelings” about how well Obama could have done if it wasn’t for Bush (again).

      Gee whizz! Thanks for explaining! Now I understand,,,,,

      • traditional republican

        What’s interesting is that you could have responded trying to rebut the fact that all of Obama’s statistics look pretty good once he started to reverse GWB’s errors.
        How about a simple response: do you know of ANY country, president, dictator, prime minister or whatever who cut taxes and entered into a war?
        And, what is the likely outcome of such an action?
        Respond with something on point and you might get some respect

        • Real conservative

          Maybe you should change your name to RINO…

        • http://socialsity.com/ LastGasp

          And all this time I thought we were talking about obama. By the way, your respect doesn’t mean squat to me.

        • BigGeezer

          you want facts… GWB’s tax cuts put more Americans to work and raised the middle and lower-middle class to higher wages and success. Black unemployment was under 8%. The federal treasury received more revenues than at any other time in our countries history. And exactly which war are you speaking of… the one that your idol hillary clinton gave such an impassioned and compelling speech on the senate floor for the US to enter? And your lies about obama… his debt will destroy our great country. The world is on fire because of obama and his cowardice policies. Real unemployment is about 14% … there are MORE Americans out of work today than when obama took office. Race relations are imploding… just like the old democrats and kkk hoped for. Our economy is phoney because of the fed’s QE … and you speak to another post about gaining respect by responding with something on point … yea right.

          • smilee

            None of your so called facts hold water, jobs were going down the toilet at an alarming rate in the last year plus of his presidency and his gains a pittance compared to Clinton whom raised taxes. Since 2009 that has been stopped and reversed albeit at a slow rate due in part to GOP obstructionism which has made it even slower than it had to be. Reagan raised taxes early in his administration to stimulate the economy and it worked and Clinton raised Taxes and it worked again and when Bush cut taxes it then we had a pittance of job increases before we had a downward trend that resulted in it almost becoming a depression before he left and it took him until then when he and a bipartisan congress took action to put the brakes on that slide shortly before he left office with our economy in shambles.

          • BHR

            I do not know were you get your facts. You must be really young and only watch MSNBC. Any body could have been president when Clinton was.
            There was probably the biggest financial revolution in history—IT WAS CALLED THE DOT COM REVOLUTION. People started buying home computers in about 1984. There was a lot of jobs created but over 50 percent of manufacturing jobs left America. Clinton was smart enough to get out the way and let it happen.
            The last 2 years of Clinton being president the nation went into a recession. Remember the stock market took the biggest drop in history at that point. It still is an all time
            Record for the Nasdaq. The Nasdaq was over 5000.
            You forgot to mention The Dodd Frank law the democrats pushed through while Bush was president.
            Bush tried 14 times to have Fannie and Freddy changed.
            The democrats controlled both houses so they put through many laws to control banking to help the poor or lower middle class. People could get 110 percent loan to buy a home. To get a loan they did not have to prove income. You must not have any friends then you would know many people are out of work or under employed. Obama has been president for over 4 1/2 years and things are not better we are just more in debt.

          • smilee

            Your a phony, It was Obama that signed Dodd Frank not Bush and your equally as lacking in knowledge throughout your post The GOP controlled both houses of congress from 1/1995 through 1/2007 except the senate in 01-02 which gave Bush ample opportunity to change Fannie and Freddie if that is what he tried but think your probably wrong there to. Your post is all BS fully devoid of the truth.

          • BigGeezer

            and of course smiley you won’t respond or debate one of the FACTS I listed in my post. Under GW Bush unemployment was UNDER 5%… and stronger were the ‘employment’ statistics that track the number of productive Americans in the workforce… but those FACTS apparently do not ‘hold water’ to your baseless opinion.

            Years ago I was the commencement speaker for a high school and one of the saddest moments was when a student received his diploma and said ‘ thank god I don’t have to learn anymore’. Afterwards I tried to find the young man to speak personally with him but as a classmate said… he grabbed a beer and is long gone. You remind me of that student. You have every right to your opinion but you need to start learning how to learn to find the truth. You spew your ill-informed opinions around and think/hope that someone will embrace them as fact. Do me a small favor… take just one of the FACTS that we included in our earlier post and present the documentation to discredit the accuracy of that post. Just like that student, I feel really badly for people like you who will never understand the power or the benefits of seeking the truth and then wanting to be part of society that helps create the greatness of our amazing country.

          • smilee

            You need facts were where you in 08 when McCain suspended his campaign and flew back to DC to find a way to stop the impending economic crash, he did not help it much himself but they did put the brakes on it and we were losing 800 thousand jobs a month at the time, if you do not remember that then how will what you call facts help. Your second paragraph is just self serving your own ego and your assumptions on me are totally wrong. I am an old geezer too but i still have my memory.

          • BigGeezer

            do you even know the difference between TARP and stimulus… I’m sure you’ve got a misguided opinion on that … sans facts as well. And what does mccain and obama (he flew back too) have to do with this last post? And I don’t need any massaging on my ego… if you can’t understand the message then you really will remain lost. And thanks again for presenting documented FACTS disputing my post … oh wait… you never will.

          • smilee

            I did not talk about either TARP or stimulus so why did you include that statement although I alluded to TARP but mentioned nothing about stimulus so why that irrelevant and silly statement, my point was jobs were going south at a very high rate but you ignored my point, Obama and McCain was to show it was on Bushes watch as you earlier inferred that the job loss was on Obama’s watch I stick by my conclusion on your ego as your post did very much infer that. If you dispute my fact that there was job loss of 800 thousand a month in 08 then your free to prove me wrong but you can;t because its true weather I presented that fact or not it is still a fact.

          • BigGeezer

            I referred to TARP because that is WHY they went back to Washington… it had nothing to do with unemployment. Sept 08 unemployment figures were 423K that month… it was signed by Bush in Oct 08 … You don’t even have the slightest grasp of FACT…

            And the reason that the 800K was happening was because the CEO’s of the major corporations held a secret meeting and they decided the only way they could survive and keep stealing millions of dollars was to lay off everyone they employed because they knew obama would be a terrible president then and obama would give them millions more as a kickback because some of them gave him money for his campaign under the table and they would not have to pay taxes and when they did that then they made more money for them greedy selves. (And if you can’t figure it out… yea this second paragraph is making fun of you and your logic, your ‘facts’ … and writing)

            And no… I’ve never inferred the jobs loss was on obama’s term… although it was. So let me give you some FACTS… under Bush he had unemployment numbers of 797K in Nov 08, 658K in Dec and 839K in Jan 09 … although most of this months loss occurred after obama took office. obama’s next 3 months of unemployment ‘going south’ had 723K in Feb 09, 787K in March 09 and 802K in April 09 (there’s that 800K number). Go ahead and give me your opinion on why these FACTS are not accurate.

          • smilee

            A secret meeting and you know what went on it, OH come on are you really that ignorant to try and convince anyone that know; All BS and I do not shovel manure so I will leave you in your pile of manure.

          • jims-blog

            Hey Old Geezer, ur on POINT!!! Hit he nail on the head!!!

          • BigGeezer

            thanks… we’re trying …

          • Matforce
          • BigGeezer

            come on matt… don’t play these stupid gottcha games… we’re not talking about a % of GDP… I said revenues… Bush’s tax cuts FOR ALL AMERICANS still holds records for revenues to the US Treasury.

            http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=200

          • Matforce

            Kudos to Geezer, he’ll investigate claims! But GDP is really the most accurate way to gauge economic vitality
            Besides, as bitter a pill as it is to swallow for those on the right, Clinton’s tax policies, (raising the marginal rate from GHW Bush’s 31% to 39.6%) actually was a substantial influence of the revenue increase. If you look at the net effect of GW Bush’s tax cuts while engaging in two wars combined with the effect of FTAs that allowed our low skill jobs exodus to China (with the full blessing of the legislature), and the ensuing masses elbowed into unemployment, (contributing to the outlay of revenue instead of income) which ushered in the increase of those in the working class that have slipped into poverty as a direct result of these policies to appease the wealthy, powerful, and America, Inc., you’ll notice that his last years in office resulted not only in the crash of the economy, but in extreme deficits.
            Why? Because, like I said, our top earners, and “multinational” corporations cannot be expected to stoop to the level of obligation to the USA that has granted them these avenues to guaranteed record gains. With them, it’s “Take the money and run!” Any suggestion that these benefactors of the most prolific eras of economic treason in a hundred years should help shoulder the load, is met with bloodcurdling screams of “class warfare,” “socialism,” “communism,” etc. emanating from the usual suspects to dupe the gullible masses.
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Federal_Receipts_by_Source,_2010.jpg
            http://news.yahoo.com/eisenhower-obama-wealthiest-americans-pay-taxes-193734550–abc-news.html

          • Matforce

            Geezer, another trend that sounded the alarm for me and substantiated the evidence of the great sellout of the USA’s magnificent middle class manufacturing sector was the trade imbalance that has taken place.

            We had fairly steady trade surpluses until 1975. Before that time, the USA employed its commoners in the factories and manufacturing plants across America. But the offshoring trend begun in the 60s with the garment, textile, and shoe factories gone to South & Central America, and continued with the toy, electronics (TV, audio, etc.) and steel (Japan began dumping inferior government subsidized steel (our metallurgists produced the best alloys anywhere in the world!) onto our shores to get a foothold in the largest economy in the world) went to Japan, but by the 1990s this offshoring model, perfected in board rooms and shared in high priced business conferences across the nation, hit high gear with NAFTA and the rest is history. Perot in his Texas drawl, said it best, “When all you care about is makin’ money, there’ll be a giant sucking sound headin’ south. But when China (people work for 30 cents/hr.)http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/09/business/worldbusiness/09saipan.html?ref=northernmarianaislands&_r=1&
            joined the WTO in 2001, even our jobs in Mexico left for China. Thus the USA decline, and the advent of the rise of the globalists, transnationals, multinationals; economic traitors by any other name.

            http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/statistics/historical/goods.pdf

            Notice: after China joined the WTO in 2001, our trade deficits increased from an already alarming $400 BILLION/yr. to an average of over $600 BILLION/yr.!!! THAT’S OVER HALF A TRILLION EACH YEAR, GET IT???!!! (a few years in there they exceeded $800 BILLION) and have not diminished. What nation can withstand a fleecing like that and survive? Go ahead and guess who that benefits???

          • http://socialsity.com/ LastGasp

            Thanks, Geezer.

          • traditional republican

            Facts? Most economists say that middle and lower class incomes stagnated under GWB’s tenure while the upper 1% increased their share of the national wealth tremendously. Under GWB the lower and middle class paid higher percentages of taxes than ever before, which would be a sure way to increase tax revenue

          • BigGeezer

            know what traditional… I’ll respond only once to you… your lies are sickening. There is NOT ONE legitimate, honest economist who would confirm your baseless, ill-informed comment… (and some bigot from msnbc will never count). And under GW Bush MORE middle and lower-middle class Americans left or had major reductions in their tax liabilities. These are all FACTS… but jerks like you don’t want FACTS.

            Most of us come to these forums to engage in open and honest debate… albeit with similar and opposing opinions. But when someone who is clearly so uninformed or intentionally lies with every element of their post… you’re not worth the time to try and connect in any form of communication or debate. Continue living in your loser world… you deserve it.

        • jims-blog

          TONY BLAIR, PM of the UK, the Falkland Islands, (sp)

          • traditional republican

            Sorry but the Falklands war was over when
            Thatcher began cutting taxes. Also, that was a short war with no after effects in terms of the economy.. GWB’s wars go on and on

      • Matforce

        My favorites are the ad hominem replies like jims, that are often tossed in to spice up the discourse. I also voted GOP for 30 years. That changed March, 2011. My biggest beef with the GOP now is their unflinching support for America, Inc. (you know; the “JOB CREATORS!” ha! how disingenuous- job absconders is more like it- 9 million jobs offshored since 1996, 50,000 manufacturing facilities closed down, boarded up, laying in decay, covered in graffiti so our “multinationals” can claim record profits while America the Beautiful declines.) Then to distract attention away from the fact that they’ve sold out to the globalists, they shake the hornets nest of social issues including but not limited to: gun rights, reproductive rights, religious rights, a plethora of trumped up personal freedom infringements, national debt they created, etc. while they point the finger of blame at the victim of their economic treason they helped craft like blaming the victim (namely; the hard working, industrious, skilled, USA workforce that has been displaced), fully expecting our American workers (who’ve invested in the American Dream, played by the rules, then got kicked to the curb by America, Inc.) to fall on their sword, enter into mortgage foreclosure, liquidate all their assets, and join the ranks of the growing number entering into poverty.
        But you gotta hand it to ‘em; they’re good at it! They’ve even managed to convince those within their party from the declining middle class that its all the fault of those “takers” (nobody’s denying that there are those trash who abuse the welfare system; I know them, you know them), signing up for unemployment, or accepting food stamps, accusing them of being the problem as these duped citizens cast their votes in favor of the advance of their own demise.
        Traditional’s allusion to the filibuster is very astute: Record 425 filibusters from the Party of NO! Obstructionist, “our biggest job is to see that Obama is a one term President.” Blame everything on Obama, Chop, chop, chop, cut, cut, cut. (but keep the gravy train going for those “job creators” — I’m NOT talking about the small business owners who stay home and hire USA workers that are cutting cost to the bone to compete in the global economy of conglomeration and monopoly!
        See the fate of Bill S3816: “Creating American Jobs and Ending Offshoring Act (2010): what it contained, who supported it and who opposed it; speaks volumes! Here was a Bill that would have granted generous tax breaks for businesses that stay home, and hire USA workers (especially vets), but would have curtailed the gravy train of tax exemption, itemized deductions, write-offs, credits, etc. for “multinational” corporations that move jobs onto foreign soil.

        • smilee

          Welcome to the club I did it in 1993 at the age of 54,one of the best decision of my life and since 1994 I switched from voting across the board GOP to across the board democrat. I was also a GOP activist and first appointed then elected for three terms to the local GOP board and served 7 years and then quit and left the party

          • jims-blog

            You left the GOP?…….GOOD we “DON’t need your “STUPIDITY”

          • smilee

            Your without any intelligence and with a big and foul mouth you are nothing of value and your opinions are thus irrelevant to any intelligent conversation.

          • Matforce

            Smilee, “Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned,” or a commoner in the electorate who wakes up to the fact that they’ve been used to craft their own demise.

          • smilee

            Not been the recipient of the wrath of a woman scorned or suffered any demises , so you want to fill us in on what you mean or maybe you do not know yourself.

          • Matforce

            Smilee, what I meant was; I voted GOP for 30 years busy as I was with my career, and side work in construction, I didn’t look beneath the surface but took what the GOP said verbatim. Once I began to check some of their claims, I found many of their claims to be deceptive and their policies destructive to the lives of the people I was associated with. So, I discovered that my vote for the GOP was a vote that helped to craft my, and those hard working men in the construction trades, demise. Sorry for being vague in previous post.

        • jims-blog

          There-in lies the problem, like the Keystone Pipeline wich would give us “ENERGY INDEPENDENCE” and “BOZO is Against it because it would take away from the Middle East monopoly and keep us a “INDENTURED”! It still doesn’t change my feelings of “OBOMA”, he is a”CROOK” and “IDIOT”!!!

          • Matforce


            Fast Forward in second link to 29:58 for an explanation on tar sands

          • Matforce


            Fast Forward in second link to 29:58 for an explanation on tar sands

      • smilee

        It is not about blaming it on Bush it is about not forgetting it was his fault to start with and changing president does not change that fact but you use it as an excuse for his bad presidency and an excuse to shift than blame to Obama when in fact Bush created it and left the mess behind for Obama to try and clean up and the GOP obstructionists refuse to give him the tools to do it right and that makes it a slower and longer process which they also erroneously blame Obama for.

        • jims-blog

          smile, “YOUR AN IDIOT”!!!! Do everyone a favor, “SHUT THE HELL UP” your obviously to “STUPID” to understand Finance”

          • smilee

            I have more finance knowledge in my little toe than have in your whole body. Your nothing but a big and foul mouth ignorant jerk.

          • smilee

            I have more finance knowledge in my little toe than have in your whole body. Your nothing but a big and foul mouth ignorant jerk.

        • The Snarf

          That also sounds like a very apt description of Bush’s last two years, with the Democrat-controlled Congress obstructing his every move, which is when the present financial crises really started. Add to that Obama’s first two years, with complete Democrat control, yet they could not even pass a simple budget plan as required by law. Then you start to get a picture of where the true problem lies.

          • smilee

            There was complete bipartisan cooperation with him in the stopping the economic clash and the proposals that become law were initiated by Bush. The recession crash in 2007 and 2008 were the culmination of ever thing that had been done for the last ten years prior to that over which he and the GOP had total majority control and also in the late nineties they had the congress.You do not throw a switch and start a recession it is the end of wrong polices over a period of time.The budget was not the reason and the reason for not having one was GOP filibusters and all though an annual budget is often used it is not required under the Constitution just appropriations must be made by congress before the president can spend any monies. and unless the the government comes to a stop they have done so and the government has not come to stop so they have met their Constitutional obligations. This has had no effect on the recession but more could have been done to speed it up but congress has made sure that did not happen as their top priority was to make sure to blame it on Obama so he could not be reelected and it backfired on them as the public saw through their entices and reelected him. We all paid a price for their stubbornness

        • http://socialsity.com/ LastGasp

          obama might have made a lot of noise about “cleaning up” Bush’s mess, but he made no attempt to fix any problems. He did, however, add to Bush’s mess and purposely did his best to create more problems. obama is Bush on steroids, the sooner you realize that, the better you’ll understand the real problems we are facing.

      • jims-blog

        That’s because “EVERYTHING” is GWB’S Fault according to BHO and the rest of the Dems. “obozo has to work to have things blamed on him, and golf is “NOT” Work!!! either are all his Million Dollar vacations ” WE THE POPLE” are paying for!!!

    • Matforce

      You may have forgotten to mention the financial sector malfeasance by the smartest men in the room that brought down our financial house, or should I say house of cards… (Enron, Savings & Loan, Long Term Capital, Bernie Madoff, and finally the sub-prime mortgage scandal where sub-prime mortgages were bundled up into AAA rated bonds and sold off to unsuspecting buyers in the speculative markets, knowing they would fail- and no indictments, a fact that surprises nobody) all thanks to the “de-regulation fever that was sweeping the Wall Street investment industry since the Gramm, Leach, Bliley Act removed the wall between commercial banks and investment banks enforced by Glass-Steagall since the Great Depression, and ushered in an era of pressure for the regulators who were charged with the task of overseeing the investment industry to look the other way… What could go wrong? Investments were garnering returns in the double digits, and real estate was the safest bet on the Street! Next stop, a $4.7 TRILLION tax payer bailout of the financial sector and that same year the major players that tanked the economy, still handed out $3-4 Billion in bonuses that same year.
      Then there’s the transnational conglomerates like the IMF and World Bank that operate outside the rules of any mere nation or government. They own 40% of all the assets of the companies traded on the capital markets of the world, and they own 60% of these corporation’s annual earnings. Hardly without assets, they undoubtedly laughed to themselves when Congress voted under Bush and Obama to bail out Wall Street with USA taxpayer dollars. That may be the reason why they allow the dollar to remain the international currency, who knows…

      • jims-blog

        One other thing is there is “NO” requirement in the Constitution to require any Citizen to “PAY NCOME TAXES” that is a fabrication. Ya ya Article 16 does “NOT” say “INCOME TAX’ IS law. According to the Constitution. That’s a fabrication of the US Government, primarily the Federal Reserve. Don’t believe me, ask anyone with the IRS to let you “see’ the law, n one can because it was “NEVER” Ratified by the States!!!

    • smilee

      I think that most on here would call you a RINO but I admire you!

    • jims-blog

      Maybe you would prefer “Shari” Law………DUMB ASS

    • JUKEBOX

      Which skin color do you refer to, the white or the black? Since he is bi-racial, you have an equal opportunity to be racist for everyone.

    • Libertarian Soldier

      I remember you. You used to go by “progressive republican”. I told you, before, you’re not a republican but a troll. That is what you are. you’re a democrat that keeps misrepresenting yourself and your writings with bullsh*t. Knock it off, TROLL!