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Arming Criminals To Disarm Americans

March 9, 2011 by  

Arming Criminals To Disarm Americans

If any remain under the delusion that the government doesn’t work covertly and break its own laws to achieve its own nefarious ends, that delusion should be dispelled once and for all with revelation by a Federal agent that the United States Justice Department ordered agents to sit idly by as weapons were smuggled into Mexico for use by drug cartels and criminal gangs.

Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms senior agent John Dodson told CBS News that he and his fellow agents in the Phoenix office were ordered to do just that to see where the guns would end up. They ended up killing U.S. Border Patrol agent Brian Terry on Dec. 14, 2010.

Dodson told the news organization that he and other senior agents confronted their supervisors many times over the practice. Their answer, according to Dodson, “If you’re going to make an omelet, you’ve got to break some eggs.” The operation, Dodson was told, was approved by higher-ups the Justice Department.

The Los Angeles Times reported that 1,765 guns were sold to suspected smugglers during a 15-month period of the investigation, dubbed Operation Fast and Furious. Of those, 797 were recovered on both sides of the border, including 195 in Mexico after they were used in crimes.

“With the number of guns we let walk, we’ll never know how many people were killed, raped, robbed,” he told The Times. “There is nothing we can do to round up those guns. They are gone.”

More than 15,000 people died last year in Mexico’s drug wars and from criminal acts by Mexican gangs. And some of those gangs routinely cross into the United States to commit crimes.

Meanwhile, the President Barack Obama administration and many on the Left use the growing gun violence in Mexico to push for stricter gun laws in the United States.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American who has been writing a newsletter since 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • s c

    This #^&* has the same stench as the Trojan Horse used by a certain Democrat at the end of WWII. For the unitiated, historical revisionists out there, HST [yes, Harry S Truman] decided to give away quantities of small caliber weapons and ammunition to a strange little man in a country we would soon know as Vietnam.
    The name of that geekoid was (here it comes) Ho Chi Minh. Is that name familiar? When the French grew tired of being in Vietnam, America went into its ‘democracy for the world’ routine. We took over for the French, and the rest is planned history.
    The foundation had been laid in advance. Uncle Ho and his band of ‘liberators’ had the means to wage a war. We were sucked into a situation we could not win (compliments of Washington’s Big Picture, Best and Brightest, “democracy” at all costs geniuses).
    The same paranoia that got us into Vietnam probably engineered this nightmare. All it will cost in the short term is a few law enforcement agents. This would be an interesting way to get us into a war that’s a lot closer than Vietnam this time. Deja vu seems a very polite way to describe it.

    • JeffH

      This certainly blows a huge hole in the anti-gun movements argument regarding gun dealers and gun shows being the main culprit in arming the cartels and drug thugs in Mexico. Seems our own government’s been throwing fuel onto the fire all along.

      The only actual reason the ATF would have to let American-sourced guns “walk” into Mexico is to provide facts in support of the Obama administration’s ongoing effort to blame Mexican gun violence on American arms dealers, as justification for further infringing the constitutionally protected gun rights of American citizens. They have been putting out trumped up charges of U.S. blame for Mexican drug violence since they got into office, but their weak evidence hasn’t stood up to scrutiny. So they decided to manufacture some hard evidence. It is the only logical explanation.

      Here is what James Conway Jr., a former FBI special agent and program manager of FBI counterterrorism operations in Latin America says about the gun problem in Mexico.
      “On the surface, a cursory review of the high-powered military-grade seized weaponry — grenades, RPGs, .50-caliber machine guns — clearly indicates this weaponry is not purchased at gun shows in the United States and can’t even be found commercially available to consumers in the United States. The vast majority of the weaponry used in this “drug war” comes into Mexico through the black market and the wide-open, porous southern border of Mexico and Guatemala.

      All you have to do is remember what happened at Ruby Ridge and Waco…that pretty much sums it up in a nutshell.

      • JeffH

        Has anybody ever heard of “Operation Northwoods”, a government plan that was plotted in the late 50′s or early 60′s by the Joint Chief of Staff. In the name of antiCommunism, they proposed launching a secret and bloody war of terrorism against their own country in order to trick the American public into supporting an ill-conceived war they intended to launch against Cuba.
        http://abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=92662&page=1

        • james karalis

          Yes like the deal LBJ had made with the zionist to sink the USS Liberty and blame it on Egypt to get America into a war in the middle east on the side of israel.

          • kilrntex

            LBJ was on the side of the ragheads, dumbass!

          • debalazo

            james karalis, look what ‘kleenex’ (kleens after ziotic mess) says:

            “kilrntex says: LBJ was on the side of the ragheads, dumbass!”

            kleenex, LBJ was a crypto jew, dumbo. He was behind the assassination of Catholic JKF. Behind finally the israhellis getting nukes, which JFK denied these terrorists. Crypto LBJ ordered the USAF response team to back off from USS Liberty “to not embarrass our friends”(cough-cough!)… (or arf-arf!). Just for that, crypto LBJ was a traitor, a terrorist, a war criminal of its own men. Sick! Your disinfo training in Tel Aviv won’t motivate a 6 year old these days.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            debalazo,
            want to show me a site that says that we supplied the Israelis with the means to aquire nukes??

          • debalazo

            “Joe H. says:
            want to show me a site that says that we supplied the Israelis with the means to aquire nukes??”

            X-cuse my use of words. Should say JFK ‘opposed’ or ‘denied the (UN) right’ to have nukes. One more reason of several to murder him. Most likely nuclear secrets were being stolen from the US, even today. LBJ, instead, stopped bugging israhell and allowed them free hand to continue.

            - At What Cost The Israel Lobby? – Gates
            - Vanunu: Israel behind JFK assassination – Jew Watch

          • Tom Anderson

            Joe H.

            You should look into it yourself rather than being spoon-fed. The story is detailed and it has tentacles into LBJ, Nam, Congress, USS Liberty attack, and JFK’s killing.

            JFK and the Israelis were at each other’s throats over NUKES. Once LBJ had JFK killed, the nuke technology and materials flow quickly and freely from the USA military to the Israeli military.

            You may note that we INVADED Iraq with only the THREAT (later proved false) that Iraq might have a nuke or two. Whereas we KNOW that Israel has HUNDREDS of nukes and we have NOT invaded Israel yet despite the fact that their MOSSAD forwarned our NEOCONS of 9/11 – - (Cheney’s “stand-down” order to NORAD).

            Israel fathered MODERN day terrorism with the bombing of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem killing English women and children – - another one of those stories (like USS LIBERTY) that no american knows about. Israel is still PROUD of murdering those women and children in that terrorist boming! They erected a monument to it!

            Go and learn! – you need to disseminate this info to fellow patriotic americans. Congress and the Israeli lobby have us hoodwinked – for decades!

          • independant thinker

            I think you over simplify this. Read “Scorpion Down” by Ed Offley and you will see there is much more involved in the Liberty attack than letting Israel get nukes.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            tom,
            Other than in the 50s when Isreal was formed, tell me the last time they invaded another country? When had they publically stated that they would like to see the US destroyed?? If left alone, the Israelis would live peacefully next to their neighbors. This will never happen, however, so they have to be the meanest sons a b!tches in the area!! don’t think, for one minute, they aren’t!! Saddam HAD invaded a neighbor, HAD publically said he would like to see the US destroyed and there were tons of yellow cake transported from Iraq to Canada towards the end of the war!! We have let N.korea obtain nukes and Iran almost obtain them. n. Korea has a missile capable of hitting Alaska as we converse, the only problem they have at this point is a dependable guidance system!! All three have wanted to see the US destroyed for decades!!! Now YOU go out and research!!

        • Al Sieber

          I’ve heard of operation North Woods, and this really stinks also, like 9-11 does and “Project For The New American Century”. so screw ‘em, I’m glad this came out Jeff.

          • Al Sieber

            They’re gonna try every dirty trick they can to disarm us.

          • independant thinker

            When I read some about Northwoods it reminded me of the rumors going around about McVeigh after OK City. The rumor was McVeigh was a government agent who did the bombing on orders. Don’t recal the reason he the gubment had him do it though.

        • Carlucci

          Yes, and one of the “tricks” they had up their sleeves at Northwoods was to fly airplanes into tall buildings and blame it all on Cuba.
          Sound familiar?

          • JC

            False Flag operations are SOP for our Government….BOTH Sides!
            Which is why we need to return to Constitutional Republic with Statesmen, not Politicians to represent us.

            On another note’
            Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms should be a convenience store,
            not a Government Agency.

          • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

            Carlucci:

            See my post below.

          • Tom Anderson

            Carlucci,

            I like YOU!

            Imagine that the Norwoods plan rose (approved) thru level after level within the military until it got to the very top. JFK (I thot he should be killed too, like LBJ) was pissed when he read it and gave it and Lemnitzer (sp) a big thumbs down – then, surprise, JKF ends up dead shortly thereafter.

            Ask most of our modern military about the USS Libery or Operation Norwoods and they look at you like you are talking about Venetian Tapestry.

            Operation Norwoods was just ONE OF MANY false flag operations of the US Military/Spooks against its own US citizenry.

            Keep up your keen posts!

        • eddie47d

          Operation Northwoods was a despicable plot to stir up the war drums. They were obviously willing to sacrifice lives for their scheme and then many more lives in the invasion.

        • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

          JeffH:

          Regarding our government’s neparious activites here is some food for thought.

          911 BLUEPRINT FOR TRUTH Dvd Loose Change Nwo 9/11 Truth
          Item number: 250561142084

          It is on eBay, bery inexpensive and really makes one begin to think. There is always more than meets the eye.

          How about Pearl Harbor?

          • JeffH

            Old Henry, I’m with ya. How about JFK?

          • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

            JeffH:

            I’m with Tom A. I have believed for at least 40 years that LBJ either had JFK murdered, or was hip deep in it.

            I also think LBJ phonied up the Gulf of Tonkin to “give them their war”. However, I am not sure about the USS Liberty. I will try and take time to Google it as I also need to Google Exec. Order 11110.

          • debalazo

            “…I am not sure about the USS Liberty.”

            Old Henry, USS Liberty is all over the net. The traitor LBJ ordered the rescue planes returned to its carrier, ‘so as not to embarrass our friends’ (isroHELL, not the ‘ragheads’). How can a US Navy spy vessel with orders from high command in open sea, be attacked ‘by our frieds’ for two full hours, not minutes, and the response was not only small and late, but even stopped on its way? That LBJ must be roasting in hell.

          • debalazo

            Much better than ill financed (Hollyweirdos) Loose Change, and probably still free on the internet:

            911 Mysteries,
            911 Zero, and
            911 Missing Links.

            From how the demolitions were rigged, how the criminal system colluded, to who were the Ziotic conspirators pulling the terror strings.

          • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

            Debalazo:

            I do not recall the Liberty incident. Sad, but true.

            Why was Johnson not persecuted by the public for this when it happened? Did the media help cover it up at the time?

          • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

            Debalazo:

            Thank you for the 911 update. I will check them out.

          • Tom Anderson

            DeBalazo,

            Thank GOD, at least, ONE american knows of the USS Liberty massacre!

            Why don’t all these other yahoos know about it???

            Keep posting, I will be looking!

            You know that McCain’s Admiral Dad was dripping with guilt in that coverup? I wish that Ron Paul had confronted McCain about that Israeli atrocity on our US sailors and LBJ’s and McNamara’s complicity in it – HELL! Our entire Congress was in on it and its coverup – - most ALL of them were getting regurgitated US TAX dollars back from the Mossad

          • Tom Anderson

            Forgive me, Old Henry, you are at the beginning of a fascinating educational adventure – The USS Liberty Massacre by Israel!

            Why don’t you know about it? Because LBJ threatened any sailor with being thrown in the brig for the rest of their miserable lives if they said ANYTHING about the attack – THAT is why you don’t know about it.

            I found out about the USS Liberty decades ago from my brother-in-law who was a merchant marine during WW2 in the Atlantic AND the Pacific campaigns. He, later, became a history prof at Rutgers Univ. He wanted to strangle LBJ too!

            So, go ahead, ask WHY??? Why would Israel attack a US Navy intelligence ship of its main ally?? I have heard lots of reasons. But before I present a bunch of nefarious motives to the Israelis, firstly, let me state that I believe that the Jews are, INDEED, God’s Chosen. But THAT doesn’t mean that we should allow them to get away with murders of our military patriots.

            The Israeli military was deeply involved in the wholesale massacre of Egyptians in a coastal town near the USS Liberty – some have theorized that THAT was the reason that LBJ allowed the USS LIberty to be sunk – to cover up that atrocity. I don’t believe THAT was the reason.

            Others point to keeping a lid on the coming attack on the Golan Heights (as I recall). That explanation does not make much sense to me.

            I believe that LBJ and other congressmen were allowing Israel to possess special high-tech US military gear that the Israelis were NOT supposed to have. For example, the radio operators on the USS LIberty testified that their transmissions and receptions were STRONGLY jammed by Israeli equipment before, during and after the attacks. Perhaps that jamming equipment was NOT supposed to be shipped to Israel and LBJ allowed it (illegally). But I am just guessing.

            But, no guess, LBJ was on par with Stalin and Hitler. The BEST that we can do is extract the reproductive organs from his daughters so that his DNA is extinguished from our COSMOS. Get W’s daughters ovaries too while we are at it. We let that vermin replicate at our own peril!!

            Obama?? He is an angel compared to LBJ. Now don’t get started thinking that I love Obama – but the idea that there is some substantial difference between Obama and Bush is JUST WHAT THEY WANT YOU TO THINK. Just look at the facts! There ain’t no difference.

            Obama is simply W but with bigger ears and a better tan.

          • debalazo

            “Old Henry says:”
            “…that LBJ either had JFK murdered, or was hip deep in it.”

            That pathetic traitor was just one piece of the plot. But he smirked when the US, if not the world, was in awe and sorrow (especially Jackie) for such an unexpected assassination; except to ‘them’.

            “…also need to Google Exec. Order 11110.”

            Only MY opinion: What odds to this number be next for such E.O. (“11-11″+0), cabalistic number used by Ziotics to do evil (9-11)? It was a visible indication to comrades that ‘WE are in control!’, not JFK. And they were, proven by his assassination right next. Only his soon to be murdered brother RFK was his ally, really. The Gov was swamped with cronies from capitalist Industry, one of them eventually covering up the USS Liberty cowardly massacre, one Robert McNamara, burn in hell.

            - The Mossad Role In The JFK Assassination Conspiracy – Piper
            - Final Judgment – Piper

            “…not sure about the USS Liberty.”

            The Net is Hot with this treachery. Silenced (with threat of incarceration) survivors are pushing today for an open congressional investigation that could end up declaring israHell ‘Enemy State Number One’. Which the Ziotics have covered up so far with gov puppets (LBJ, ad nauseam), their own Disinfo Media, and the people’s resultant ignorance. Notice video below, White House didn’t order the attack, only allowed it. Same as 9-11: G.Dubya didn’t rig the Towers, he just moved to Florida.

            - What I Saw That Day – Tourney
            - Body of Secrets – Bamford
            - USS Liberty White House-sanctioned attack, June 8, 1967 – YouTube video
            - The ‘USS Liberty’: America’s Most Shameful Secret – Margolis

          • debalazo

            “Tom Anderson says:
            …Thank GOD, at least, ONE american knows of the USS Liberty massacre!”

            Ha! There are many already! Even the Aussies and Egyptians are looking into it.

            “You know that McCain’s Admiral Dad was dripping with guilt in that coverup?”

            Not only. He covered for poppy-boy when he blundered in Nam. He is a traitor who caused many airmen lives, not only his mates at the carrier. At least, he should be behind bars.

            “I wish that Ron Paul had confronted McCain about that Israeli atrocity on our US sailors and LBJ’s and McNamara’s complicity in it”

            Careful. Ron Paul is a shrewd cookie. He doesn’t point fingers for 9-11 or other crimes, but follows their rethoric so they cannot attack him as ‘conspiracy nut’, ‘anti-Schmuck’, etc, and do not distract him from his primary purpose: Chop the hand of the Beast from Babylon, the FED. He audits it, many heads are going to roll.

            As for why many don’t know? Surprise! Cos many but many are youngsters in early twenties! And even when 9-11 occurred they were mere 12-ers! So these are the ideal uninformed but uncorrupted ones that must be guided out the Matrix, the smoke curtain of Disinfo Media, plus their programming at subverted academia.

            Able and energetic, they represent not only the future of this country, but the main force to help destroy the power of the Beast, here, and around the world. So Be It!

          • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

            Tom A:

            Thank you for the brief, but fascinating, education. I was in my mid-teens when LBJ was president. I thought even at that young age that he exuded evil. It was around him like a cloak.

            This nation has been carreening out of control since very early in the 20th Century.

      • eddie47d

        As usual Jeff you try and confuse these issues and downplay the facts that come out of these operations. I’m with you in exposing these yahoos in the ATF in this plot that backfired. I don’t agree with their methods because it allowed too many weapons to cross over into Mexico. Exposing how easy it is to buy and sell guns that flow into Mexico was proven and who was buying them. You and everyone else fail to admit what is right in front of your face. The same with the other issue at gunshows and the dealers willing to sell to ineligible buyers. You are too busy defending gun rights instead of accepting the truth about the easy access for criminal buyers. Once again I don’t approve of the ATF’s way of doing things just the ugly facts that we learned from this operation.

        • independant thinker

          “The same with the other issue at gunshows and the dealers willing to sell to ineligible buyers.”

          eddie, eddie, eddie……….It has been proven time and again that very few if any dealers at gunshows sell guns without doing the required background checks. It has also been shown that less than 1% of guns used in crimes come from gunshows.

          • TIME

            IT,
            Man your dead on I go to many gun shows as I also collect vintage Randel Knifes, Japanese Swords, as well as old German Hunting knifes.
            I know thousands of dealers and yet not a single one will sell guns to anyone with out doing all the proper paper work.
            And BTW I hit shows all over the US and trade Fairs in the UK.

            So again EdwardO is blowing more rhetoric out his back side.

          • 45caliber

            independant:

            You are right. There are ATF people at all gun shows to watch the dealers and the dealers know it. They also know that if they are caught they will lose their license, be fined, and probably go to jail. None wish to put their livelihood at risk just to make a sale. But the liberals continue to insist on this as a problem.

          • eddie47d

            Time loves to stretch his stories out. He personally knows thousands of dealers? Even the most avid gun guy doesn’t know hundreds of dealers. Time has been around the world and knows hundreds of Washington thinkers? Another one of his embellished stories? Remember he said the USA would no longer exist by Dec 1,2011. I think he has been playing with Tinker Bell too long.

          • vicki

            Eddie47d continues to be fast and loose with Eddie47d Fast Factoids. No surprise actually.

            Eddie. Should you have happened to be paying attention to those little things called facts you would have observed that the “evil” gun dealers were in fact objecting to the sales and were told BY ATF to sell anyway. So, again, who is breaking the law? The gun dealers followed ALL the requirements of the government and you STILL blame them? How eddie47d of you.

            http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/03/08/eveningnews/main20040803.shtml

            Credibility of Eddie47d already at an historic low goes down for the count.

        • JeffH

          eddie, there is no confusion at all in my part. You’re so enamored with your fabricated “loopholes” and the anti-gun rhetoric of Feinstein, Bloomberg and Brady you couldn’t see the truth of the matter at hand if it was staring you in the face. What would happen if you actually had to think for yourself?

          • eddie47d

            I’ve said the same thing about you and you do deny the facts on the ground.

          • vicki

            Eddie47d. It is really hard for JeffH to deny facts from you. You never provide any.

        • JeffH

          eddie, you are correct about one thing, I am very active and busy protecting my right to own a gun along with my constitutional rights… from people just like yourself.

          • JC

            Amen that brother Jeff!

          • eddie47d

            You are a busy man Jeff and I was waiting for your usual reply. I will stand by those facts about loopholes and you can cling to your facts. Have a great day.

          • JeffH

            eddie, at least I can go to sleep at night knowing the truth.

          • JC

            Gun Show “loopholes” are a talking point, with no basis whatsoever in “fact”. I defy anyone to show clear evidence of these loopholes.

          • JeffH

            JC, the only “loophole” is the one eddie sticks his neck into evertime he speaks like an “idoit”(thanks i41)…LOL!

          • independant thinker

            As usual eddie claims to have “facts” but provides absolutely no proof.

          • debalazo

            “…I will stand by those facts about loopholes..”

            eddie, to silence these gun totting terrorists, why you don’t go buy a 50cal shooter at a gun show and then prove them wrong, that you paid cash (yeah-Mexican Pesos) and you were handed over your gun, no questions asked? Easy, man!

          • vicki

            JC says:
            “Gun Show “loopholes” are a talking point, with no basis whatsoever in “fact”. I defy anyone to show clear evidence of these loopholes.”

            They can’t. Just like the Birth Certificate they can not show you what does not exist.

          • S.C.Murf

            Time for fast eddie to make that popping sound

          • JC

            eddie, come on now…with the entire internet and all that anti-gun “information” at your fingertips, where is the proof that these GUN SHOW LOOPHOLES are leading to ALL KINDS OF VIOLENCE AND CARNAGE IN THE STREETS. Oh my God….the horror…the horror…

            eddie?

        • independant thinker

          “Exposing how easy it is to buy and sell guns that flow into Mexico was proven and who was buying them. You and everyone else fail to admit what is right in front of your face.”

          eddie you are the one that will not admit what is right in front of your face. The original report on this clearly states that BATF told gun dealers to put thru sales that the gun dealers wanted to refuse because they suspected the firearms were being purchased by gunrunners.

          • Gordon Thornburg

            Also Eddie what about the Border Patrol Agent that was shot down and KILLED doing his duty oh ya the rifle that KILLED him was a documented AK47 that was taken over the border with the EYES of the ATF looking on and taping it. Maybe you could take a moment and say a prayer for the agent and the wife and children that were left behind. Enough for now peacenic.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          eddie,
          Ya know, I seem to have missed the RPGs at the local gun shows here, guess I’ll have to start looking harder!!! Haven’t seen any machine guns either, yup I just gotta look harder!!!

    • BigBadJohn

      The name of that geekoid was (here it comes) Ho Chi Minh. Is that name familiar? When the French grew tired of being in Vietnam, America went into its ‘democracy for the world’ routine. We took over for the French, and the rest is planned history.
      ******

      Are forgetting about that other infamous ally of ours – Saddam Husein who’s power was supported and consolidated with the help of Reagan and GH Bush?

      Or what about that other great ally – Usama Bin Laden who was helped to create his own army by the same people?

      I guess the same claim can be made – planned history.

      • Chitown

        Didn’t the French go into Viet Nam for the OIL, creating the war which the U.S. had to get involved since they couldn’t handle it? Sound familiar, Iraq, Afghanistan, now Middle East.

        • kilrntex

          The French went into Nam for the rubber trees. The Vietnamese didn’t have oil, they were still in the dark ages.

          • 45caliber

            Correct. The US supposedly went in to stop piracy in the area – which was going on then. (Now it is Somalia) As far as I know, the French had been pulled out five to ten years before we went in. I’m not sure if any oil has ever been found in Vietnam even today. I’ve certainly not heard of any.

          • BigBadJohn

            yup think it was Eisenhower that said we were sending advisers in for the “rice, tin and rubber resources” circa 1954???

            SC – get your facts correct – Eisenhower was the first president to push for Vietnam – a REPUBLICAN!

          • S.C.Murf

            Nam was nothing more than a testing ground for the big chemical company’s and the war machine so they could develop newer types of weapons. And let us not forget the drugs that flowed like water. We lost a lot of good brothers and sisters and set in motion the emotional distress that ended up infecting many a soldier. The real people that suffered the most were the children, they would rip your heart out emotionally.

            up the hill
            airborne

          • http://?? Joe H.

            S C Murf,
            They could kill you, too! There were reports of grenades wound with fish hooks being shoved into the cargo pocket on the jungle fatigues by kids! Happened in Saigon! Oh, and BTW, it will never be Ho Chi Mihn city to me!!

          • debalazo

            “kilrntex says:
            The French went into Nam for the rubber trees. The Vietnamese didn’t have oil, they were still in the dark ages.”

            Yes, rubber trees for condoms, right? And while the Viets were in the ‘dark ages’, the rapinous Ziotic Oligarch Oil Mafia (ZOOM) was NOT! Thar’s oil in the coastline, and they knew it.

            As for drilling in Vietnam, search for “Russia proves ‘Peak Oil’ is a Misleading Zionist Scam”. Or, oil, the blood of the earth. And they know it.

          • Tom Anderson

            Yes, Ike contributed to the Nam mess. However, I understand that it goes back further than that. Uncle Ho asked Truman for help after the Japanese were defeated.

            I am not much of a history buff, but I understand that Truman did not even answer the plea from Uncle Ho and (the liberal story goes) forced Ho to go into the Commie camp (I think Ho was commie from the beginning – but THAT is the story).

            I like Ike and always give him the benefit of the doubt – Gosh, he was raised a Jehovah’s Witness! Give him a break! Have you ever seen a photo of Mamie, you would treat Ike more kindly if you were to see her! No wonder he spent all of his time “over there”.

            I understand that Ike got wrapped up in Nam because of his ties to DeGaulle – I don’t think that Ike WANTED to be involved in Nam. And I have read 3 biographies on Ike (some not too kind towards Ike) and they all suggest that Ike was furious with JFK’s handling of Nam (especially the CIA assassinating the Nam leader). Recall Ike’s quote to (CIA criminal) Allen Dulles, “Legacy of ashes”!

            As I recall, Ike had allowed a few thousand american “advisors” in Nam. Whereas LBJ ordered nearly half a million US troops into Nam. So LBJ’s Nam exposure was THREE ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE more than Ike’s. My point? Nam was LBJ’s war NOT Ike’s. Ike would have called it quits before it escalated – just look what Ike did in Korea. Ike was KNOWN for ENDING wars NOT beginning them.

            I like Ike.

          • Tom Anderson

            BigBadJohn,

            You are correct. Ike was a GOP prez. And he approved US “advisors” into Nam. But I like Ike.

            I understand that Ike was, originally, a DEMO and Graddaddy Bush (that NAZI financier, Prescott Bush) helped convince Ike to run as a GOP rather than a DEMO. That f**ing NAZI Bush told Ike that the GOP, as a party, would cease to exist unless Ike ran as a GOP.

            Ike got along famously with FDR and, intially, with Truman – because they were of the same cloth – DEMOS. Recall, Ike was raised a Jehovah’s Witness (DEMO inclined). When Ike took the oath of office he held his hand on two bibles, the normal and JW version.

            When Ike found out about the CIA crimes (murder and drug dealing during JFK admin) in Nam he flew off the handle – - but couldn’t do anything about it then.

            Ike ended the fighting in Korea and Europe. He was decidedly against the dropping of the A bombs in Japan. And he tackled Jim Thorpe in a football game. He schmoozed up to the Russians too much and whimped out under McCarthy’s attack – - he had warts too. But I like Ike.

            Oh, yes, I forgot to mention, Prescott Bush, like his CIA son and warmongering “W” also jerked off in the same casket during their Skull and Bones initiation rites – same as John Kerry – - Have you ever wondered why NONE OF THEM will discuss it??? And THOSE creeps are the leaders of our nation? NOT! your ordinary kindly Methodist!

            Ike, as far as I know, never jerked off in a casket like all of the Bush Patriarchs and Kerry.

    • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

      SC:

      How many states in Mexico? Do you, or anyone else here, know?

      could it be seven?

      • s c

        Old Henry, what’s your point? I think Mexico has 12 ‘states,’ but don’t quote me.

        • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

          SC:

          Remember Little Barry saying he was going to campaign in all 57 states? If Mehico has 7 I was wondering if he might have been down therre during the campaign. He could be setting a war scenario via these guns with the Mexes. We invade, conquer and then make them part of the U.S. That ends the supposed illegal issue and instantly gains him tens of millions of votes.

          • 45caliber

            I know there is a Congressman from Texas who has had a bill in Washington for over a decade now to bring Mexico into the US. He said that since over 90% of the people there live below our poverty level, we need to bring them in so we can put all of those people on Welfare and take care of them.

          • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

            45:

            That’s unbelievable! However, upon reflection about where that congressman spends most of his time it is believable. And i’m bettin he”s a Mex himself.

          • Bill

            I’m a close the border, no anchor children and no amnesty’s what so ever, I am competing daily for work with illegals and tired of it. they cost me wages and take my tax money, but if we can not close the border maybe the next best thing is to annex them into the United States, end the problem, in a few generations they are assimilated in to Americans problem ended, they get the education and help build America, we get a winter agricultural base for fruits and vegetables, and there minerals and natural resources, we bring there people up to our standards beats us sending millions every year there and get nothing out of it, this way we eventually would, just make English the national language! This could be an answer for all sides!

          • debalazo

            “Bill says: … but if we can not close the border…”

            Yes We Can! Said oBaama. It only takes ‘ganas’.

            “… annex them into the United States, end the problem,..”

            U-Kidding?? Our problems would multiply out of control! If the working, not the criminals, illegal Mexicans now had a free hand, they would spread any way they wanted, not necessarily in our best interest. As for the bad guys, it would be chaos beyond the imagination. They would spread out of reach, and strike from everywhere.

            …in a few generations they are assimilated in to Americans problem ended,…”

            How? They have their own idiosyncrasy, look at LA County. They even have schools in Nahuatl. Ferociously racists, high disregard for American heritage, language, and laws. And in large legal groups, those raised in Mexico and now allowed to transmigrate, would topple today’s Americans in a few generations.

            Rather, let them stay where they were born, and cook their own beans. We can well take care of ourselves if the Republic is restored and ZOG is sent to Abyss.

      • JC

        Old Henry says:
        March 9, 2011 at 1:04 pm
        SC:

        How many states in Mexico? Do you, or anyone else here, know?

        could it be seven?

        ________________________________________________________

        31 Mexican states and 1 Federal District

        http://www.mexonline.com/estado.htm

    • 45caliber

      Let me add something here. We could not win the war in Vietnam because the politicians didn’t want us to win it.

      The military was denied all efforts to defeat the enemy. Our orders were to leave all weapons, etc. that we found for the enemy. We were to not take or destroy them nor were we to tell the South Vietnamese where they were. Further, we were to not shoot unless we could guarantee that any enemy shooting at us were the only things hit. No stray bullets were to be fired at all.

      When confronted by this by Meet the Press, Sen. HH Humphrey (who my daughter’s history book identified as a hero for his work then) stated that it didn’t matter if we won or not or even if men were killed as long as the politician could get the credit for stopping the war and “saving” the military.

      Despite the history being taught now, the US military did not lose that war – it was given away by the US politicians.

      • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

        45:

        Are you aware of the book written by a former VC general, I think, who stated that the North was going to surrender until Kissinger / Nixon “surrendered” in Paris?

        I fear we are witnessing dejavue all over again in the Middle East.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Old Henry,
          Watch the documentary titled Viet Nam, The Ten Thousand Day war. In it, the commanding general of the NVA said ” We were ready to surrender during the hanoi bombing runs and then like a miracle they stopped. We got our second wind and won!!”

      • S.C.Murf

        We destroyed any and all cashes of weapons. But their were areas of operations that we could not fire unless fired upon, yeah that one we followed real close to the letter of the law (the law of the jungle)

        all the way
        up the hill
        airborne

        • http://?? Joe H.

          S C Murf,
          I was in an assault helicopter company and I was going to say the same thing!! I can remember us destroying weapons and supplies. I also remember sampan “bombs”. we would take about 25 or 30 M60 rounds, belted, and wind them up with safety wire around them. We’d drop them on a sampan and it would go right through the bottom!! Papasan loved it when we would throw a grenade or two into the river so he could go out and dip out the fish that would float to the top!!

          • S.C.Murf

            Ya concussion grenades were the best fish bait I’ve ever used

        • 45caliber

          We destroyed weapons too – but we weren’t supposed to do it. Once in D-zone we were going through a grass hooch village. I was last man so I set fire to the hooches. (For those of you not familiar with this, D-zone was ALL Viet Cong and North Vietnamese. All enemy.) No one noticed until one hooch blew up. Evidently it had some explosives in it. The lieutenant chewed me out for it but – as I told him – there had to be something in there that needed to go since it blew up. (Also for you who don’t know, there were NO people there! None of us ever shot villagers for fun, etc. As best I know, those stories were originated in the US and none were true.)

      • Tom Anderson

        45,

        Don’t whimper and whine. Nam was a shameful disaster – man up to it.

        I know is hurts and the guilt is overwhelming, but a REAL man takes responsibility for his mistakes realizes that he deserted his Nam friends there to be butchered by the Commies when they came in.

        • S.C.Murf

          Then tommy all the politicians from that era should man up, not the young men who sweated and died over there, and I can tell that you never came close to seeing any action at any time. You still most likely play with toy guns and like to play soldier. Your
          The ATF need to be held responsible for their actions or lack of. But they won’t cause they were told by the higher ups exactly what to do.

          • Tom Anderson

            Pols NEVER “man up” – it is against their very nature. However lots of Nam vets have “seen the light” and admitted that ALL their sacrifice was for naught – all their dead buddies – for NOTHING. All of our treasure – down the drain.

            Or, then, please help me! Can YOU come up with a single BENEFIT we got from our defeat in Nam? We are doing business deals TODAY with the VERY SAME COMMIE guvmint in Nam that our guys died fighting against – - stop looking for absolution for our sins in Nam. The key is to educate the yung’uns so they recognize that THEY are being manipulated in Iraq and Afghan and Libya? Iraan? N. Korea?

            Don’t go into “warrior worship” mode over Nam. And don’t shift all the responsibility over to the pols. Most of the Nam vets who I know admit it was a massive F up – they have “manned up” and don’t try to portray it as a “fight for democracy” or other such nonsense.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            tom anderson,
            IF you know any Nam Vets, they were probably all REMFs!!! The kind that used to work supply and abscond with the good stuff for them and their mamasan!! The real troops learned to scrounge and aquire what the supply didn’t “have”!! I know a great many vets from there that are still proud of their service there and most were proud of it BEFORE it was fashionable to show pride about our service!!! So on this subject, you can kiss my AZZ!!!

        • 45caliber

          Yeah – and none of the politicians like Humphrey who did that were real men, were they? Incidently, the real men in the military still in Nam at the time did help their friends – a lot of them were taken out with them. I work with one here now who was brought out by American soldiers.

          • Tom Anderson

            Yes!!! Thank GOD for THOSE vets – who did their best to save their Nam friends! My heart and admiration goes out to them – TRUE warriors!

            But THAT does not change the fact that we were LIED into Tonkin (by LBJ). We did NOT accomplish ANYTHING in Nam. And, most important, the american public didn’t learn any lesson from Nam. Now we are doing the same thing in Afghan and the COST-PER-KILL ratio is even WORSE in Afghan than it was in Nam.

            Our soldiers are simply feeding the MIC monster in Iraq and Afghan.

            An increasing COST-PER-KILL ratio is the clearest sign of a collapsing empire. During our rev. war the CPK ratio was WAY on our side – NOW it is on our enemies side.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Tom,
            you show your real colors here with this post and that color has a real yellow tint to it!!! You are more worried about the money it costs in Iraq than the human expense, so yeah, I would say your favorite color is yellow!!!

  • http://! Angel Wannabe

    Good article, I have to laugh at ANYONE who thinks stricter Gun Controls are going to solve ANY criminal problem. The Criminals could care less what gun laws are in place,they shoot first, take what they want and ask questions later! The only people the gun laws affect are the law abiding, and the ability to further protect ourselves and what is ours.

    and along the sae lines__If anything is considered to be “priceless”, it’s this story.

    A robber taking a shower in a home he broke into, was surprised and confronted by the homeowner, locks himself in the bathroom and calls 911___Ron White is right “Ya Can’t Fix Stupid!”

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1364114/Burglar-confronted-homeowner-robbery-dials-911-s-afraid-shot.html

    • Michael J.

      Angel Wannabe,
      I agree with you and was made even more aware two mornings ago when on my way to work, about 4 blocks from my house was a group of police cars with lights flashing, paramedics and crime scene detectives. As I approached, I witnessed a shattered sliding glass door and blood drenched vertical blinds flowing in the breeze. I did not stop, I do not know the occupants, but searched the net when I got to work to find that three people were shot in an apparent home invasion on a street where my children frequent on the way to the park. Turns out the perpetrator, a Mexican national in this counrty illegaly was shot dead, but not before shooting and injuring a man and his wife who were the occupants.

      I constantly monitor security of my family, but this incident has caused me to re-double my efforts. For one, my kids will no longer walk the streets un-accompanied.

      • http://! Angel Wannabe

        Michael J, We had two breakins in 35+ years here,___ I never let the kids walks or ride bikes alone, on the back roads the Old man and I called home. I was born and raised just across the road from my husband, I used to walk home to see Mom and Dad for exercize just about everyday, until some a-h*le starting stalking me, for three days straight, the third day I ran into a field to get away from him, he never got outta the car, he just followed me. I switched and then went to the mall to jog, I’ll be an SOB if it didn’t start again__the last time I went, he followed me to my car, which was parked near by__not wanting him to know where I lived, I drove outta the mall parking lot and into my cousins Ice Cream parlor and I had her call the cops. The sucker even had the nerve to come into the parlor and asked to talk to me, that he justed to know my name. Later that same year, he was picked up for drug offenses and I haven’t heard anything about him since.

        • Bus

          Do you have a carry permit?

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            Bus, Nah< but theres plenty in my purse to hurt some one with,If I had to, and sides, I've a little self defense I picked up from a friend who pratices it.

          • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

            Bus:

            We call carry permits the Second Ammendment.

          • vicki

            Bus: We do not ask our “master” for permission as we are sovereign citizens we need no permit.

        • Michael J.

          Angel Wannabe,
          That must have been pretty scary, glad you’re OK. After the incident the other day, I’m thinking of getting my wife a Walther PPK and concealed carry permit, trouble is I’m scared she might shoot me!
          Ya see, nobody’s ever accused me of being an angel.

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            Michael J, Me neither! ;)

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Michael J,
            but angel is trying to change, thus the Angel Wannabe moniker!!!

        • 45caliber

          It can be bad. A friend here at work told us that his fiance in Ft. Worth went to a movie with four friends during the day. He had given her a can of pepper spray and insisted she carry it despite her wishes to leave it at home.

          When they went to their car, she started to get in on the passenger side, front seat. She set her purse inside – and a man grabbed her. She went to the ground and he started dragging her off. She yelled at her friend in the driver’s seat who reached into her purse – and found the spray can on top. She threw it to the fiance – who caught it in the right position to spray it. She sprayed the man dragging her off and he released her.

          She jumped into the car and they fled as one called the police on her cell phone. The police refused to even come down to look for the guy because “they had left the scene of the attack”. He was a white male, about thirty five, and was wearing a suit.

          • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

            45:
            Ya spose if they had shot the b*st*rd dead, left the scene, then reported it, the cops would have refused to come down because they had left the scene of the attack?

            Too bad that in all the excitement they didn’t accidently back over him, at least once.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Old Henry,
            Correction, twice. Once in reverse and once in drive!!

      • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

        Michael J:

        God bless liberalism. Illegal scum running rampant, injuring citizens, can’t let your kids walk unescorted to play in a nearby park, having to contunuously monitor family safety.

        I am surprised the couple was not arrested for violating the Mex’s rights. I hope his family does not sue them.

        I remember the bumper sticker in the 70s that read: “When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns”. I knew it to be true then, and even more so now.

        • sylviam

          A friend asked my husband “how do you sleep at night with your wife having a 9mm under her pillow” well my hausbands reply was “like a baby”.
          I have been carrying a gun for 60 years and just recently gotten a permit. Here in Virginia a person can carry a gun or I should wear a gun on his or her person as long as it is visible.
          But the reason I have been carrying a weapon is that I traveled a lot
          and only 2 instants required that I defend my self but NEVER have had to shoot anyone Thank God.
          So this stunt that Obama and Hilary are trying to pull off will not work and I also had that bumpersticker on my car back in the 70′s.
          WE WILL NEVER UN-ARMED. God Bless America

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            sylviam, we carried a hand gun with us, when I did art shows across country, back in the 80′s, and quite honestly back then, it was hard to find, those who ‘Didn’t ” carry a gun, most all of us did, that did National shows.

          • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

            Sylviam:

            I pray that you are correct, but cockroaches like Little Barry and the Hillab*tch will never cease.

            Diid you hear on the news last week that an AP reporter had filed a reqquest with the IL State PoLice for the names and personal info of all FOID card holders in IL? They refused. The IL Atty Gen, Lisa Madigan, told them they had to release the info. The State Police once again refused. Sounds like it it headed to court.

            Wonderful to hear you have been packin’ so long. Waaay Coool.

    • Patty

      OK. Just for fun, watch this.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_QjEL0uUgo

  • Michael J.

    Well, isn’t that a fine howdy-doo. News of the DOJ deciding to make-up their own rules as they go in this case shouldn’t be a shocker, this is just one incident out of many that happened to see the light of day, but in reality is only the tip of the iceberg. Like seeing one roach should alert you that many more are hiding inside The White House, be aware that this is but a small example of means justifing the ends type corruption presided over by the present administration. An every day occurance that would be dismissed as business as usual in the nation’s capital of crime, Chicago where Obama was spawned.

    Not only was this likely an effort to manufacture evidence harmful to American gun owners and the right to protect themselves, but in light of “Operation Fast and Furious” being uncovered, and made common knowledge puts us back years in our ongoing pleas with Mexico to halt or at least curb the northerly flow of drugs and illegal aliens. For decades to come we will be reminded of how we allowed weapons to end up in the hands of Mexican drug cartels whenever we try to convince them to secure their side of the border, nice goin Barry!

    I ask myself daily how much more evidence of corruption, ineligibility and incompetence will it take for people too have had enough?

    • BLUEEYESOL

      I have asked the same thing 100′s of times! Obama and his democratic and rino allies in Congress and all of his Czars have done more than enough offenses against our country and Constitution to be impeached 100 times over and prosecuted as well as criminals and treasonists,oh, and don’t forget George Soros, and yet…nothing, not a one backbone in all of Congress to stand up to the onslaught of treasonist actions being done day by day. Just refusing to uphold our laws is enough, like defending DOMA, law of the land and defending our borders, law of the land, The Obama administration and Holder and Dept of Justice are….fill in the blanks here!
      TIME TO IMPEACH AND PROSECUTE…ALL OF THE ABOVE!

      • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

        Blueyesol:

        As Rush has said: “The only people in the Republican Party with gonads wear skirts”. Think Sarah and Michelle.

    • JIBBS

      obama was spawned in Kenya, not Chicago.

    • 45caliber

      I suppose the ATF wants the same exemptions as the FBI and Federal Marshalls. The “Untouchables” came from the fact that they can commit any crime in the pursuit of criminals and not be charged for it. I suppose the ATF considers themselves equal to them.

  • http://www.piedmontwebmasterservices.com Dan

    Bob is that your picture at a younger time in life?

    • 45caliber

      Can’t be. The picture shows someone too handsome.

  • ldot

    Isn’t this one more item to add to the list of “high crimes & misdemeanors”?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

    Now, the DC politicians are denying those who died at Ft. Hood the Purple Heart because they won’t call Hasan a “terrorist” or enemy of the US, another story the MSM doesn’t report. WTF? This is an administration that is Anti-American……..please write Boehner and McConnell to proceed with the articles with impeachment! He is a traitor and the enemy within!

    • http://www.piedmontwebmasterservices.com Dan

      I think they (administration) all are traitors, they are all destroying America with the policies and underhanded methods of using Czars and executive orders and departmental rules and regulations changes to achieve their goal of changing American into a Socialist country so we can join their one world government. I can’t believe we sit idly by and allow this to happen. I can’t believe so many people don’t care and don’t understand what is happening.

      • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Michael

        Obama promised change and he is delivering! We been taken over from within! We have been soldout for a long time now. Now they are just being more open about it. The media is very powerful tool and they know how to use it. Since it is one sided and they are told what they can and can’t say, people just need to wise up! There are still alot of fools out there that think this clown is good for the country!

      • spitfire

        HOw many thousand are there if you count every state and the fed? Arrest them all, load them onto cruise ships, send them out to sea, Nuke each ship, and send them to the bottom. I will help.

        • eddie47d

          Spitfire ,you sound just like Castaway.Haven’t heard from him in about 2 months.

      • DaveH

        They are doing what leaders usually do, feathering their own nests at the expense of the citizenry.

        • JeffH

          Well said.

      • Nate

        Dan;,,,I ABSOLUTELY agree. Although,I believe, WE NEED TO Press criminal charges against them.This way they`ll be imprisoned & be where they should be for the crimes they`ve committed….

        • 45caliber

          Sounds like a good “retirement” program for politicians to me.

      • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

        Dan:

        A few weeks ago someone, I can’t recall who, posted that the American voter will evntually hear a resoundingly loud POP and see a blindingly bright light. That will be when they pull their collective heads out of their a$$.

        If it does not happen in the next several months we will be finished and have run ourselves onto the ash heap of history.

    • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

      Idot:

      Boehner? McConnell? You have to be kidding! The dumbsh*t Boehner has stated he thinks Little Barry’s eligibility question has been solved because the former HI govenor said they had his B/C.

      McConnell is just another DC goon in the game for himself. Ya want Little Barry’s Article of Impeachment started? It’ll take someone with more gonads than those two. Think Michelle Bachman.

    • Tom Anderson

      Who the hell is the enemy? Who ordered that all of the soldiers at Ft. Hood be disarmed? Was it

      1) Obama
      2) W Bush
      3) Clinton
      4) Daddy (CIA – kill JFK) Bush

      It was a set up – a “gun free” zone. Just like our US cockpits on 9/11. Things are NOT like you think.

      The US military KNEW months beforehand that an atrocity was at hand, but everyone needed to be disarmed for it to make big headlines. If our commander-and-chief had trusted our own soldiers with loaded weapons only one or two would have died. Likewise, EVERY cockpit on 9/11 – those terrorists should have been blown away with pilots packing 45s. Our pilots were disarmed – who ORDERED THAT?

  • Mick

    Not much time this morning but i just wanted to say that I think our elected officials especially the leftish are sick bastards,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

  • Fredsworld

    I, as an American Patriot go on the record right now and call on the Marines to Arrest Obama and Holder for High Crimes and Treason against the United States of America! As solders you took an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States against Enemies foreign and DOMESTIC!!! Do your Job!! NOW!!

    • Mick

      Fredsworld says:
      March 9, 2011 at 7:30 am
      I, as an American Patriot go on the record right now and call on the Marines to Arrest Obama and Holder for High Crimes and Treason against the United States of America! As solders you took an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States against Enemies foreign and DOMESTIC!!! Do your Job!! NOW!!
      ***********************
      Fredsworld ,,,the way things are going it may be theonly solution left soon but they would have to arrest more than that……….

      • spitfire

        Sorry,but that is not their job, it is yours. I think they might stand behind you if you show you are a real man of principal and high morals.

      • JIBBS

        I wish that would happen, because voteing will not take out the trash, bitching will not work either. You wouild have to a mass group march on washington to demand that they all be removed, and be willing to stay there until the deed is done, as in several other country’s,,,, need I say more ! The problem is, how many have the will to do this ?, How many are willing to stand up for their country and take it back from the dictaters…. my guess is not many, I am willing, but am only one !

        • http://personalliberty.com RandyH

          Obamama is sitting back and watching the goings on in Egypt and Libya so he will know what to do when we have finally had enough. I’m glad to see there was at least ONE federal agent that had some gonads and a conscience to bring this out. The rest are obviously whores for their big salaries and pensions,(read the agent’s story at NRA ILA) they are the ones who will be happy to kill us.

        • Teresa

          FYI..papers have been sent to the supreme courts here for an investigation on President Obama, Vice President Joseph Biden, Tim Geithner, George Bush Sr., Barbara Bush, , George Bush Jr., Alan Greenspan, Mitt Romney, Michael Herzog, Bill & Hillary Clinton, Paul Guennette (associate of Bush, Sr.)
          For stolen funds and illegal activities. Information was sent to certain Congressional Members for examination, pending a full Congressional Inquiry.
          SO BEFORE ANYONE BEGINS TO WONDER WHY WE HAVE NOT SETTLED OUR ECONOMIC DEBT, EVERY SINGLE MEMBER OF CONGRESS KNOWS OF THIS, AS WELL AS EVERY SINGLE FOREIGN LEADER! SO BEFORE YOU BEGIN TO GET READY FOR A FAKE WAR, THINK TWICE AND WONDER WHAT IT IS REALLY FOR! NWO

          • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

            Teresa:

            “papers have been sent to the supreme courts here “. Where are these courts located?

            I think it would be wonderfull if all those people were investigated for their crimes! Everyone of them screwed the American public. Some more than others.

    • skippy

      well said fred

    • Jack

      Some organizing and leadership is needed to subdue these poor misguided inexperienced people who think they can make the changes in our freedoms noted in this blog so far. I have a friend who signs off his emails with “when is revolution going to start?” Maybe this would be a good battle cry. “Remember the Alamo” I think it worked for Texans. How about “down with socialist and communists” this might also work.

    • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

      Fredsworld:

      I think that would be considered a coup and in itself would be unconstitutional. Der Fuhrer is their boss.

      The congress needs to get this done. As a matter of fact if they would vet Little Barry they could then simply remove him for being ineligible. All he has done would be zeroed out.

      We could then arrest him, Biden, Reid, Turbin, Pelosi, Hoyer and the top DNC *ssh*les for complicity in the massive fraud. Once tried and convicted we then execute them on the Capital lawn.

  • http://n/a Gary in Oh

    THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA is a foreign corporation that has a president named B.H.OBAMA/BARRY S. or what ever he is calling himself these days. OBAMA is not the president of the united States of America,which is the name of this country!!!!!!!! He needs to be arrested for impersonating the President of this landmass we call home1!!!! We need a plan, before its too late. Any of us can arrest a person commiting a felony and I am pretty sure that impersonating the president is a felony!!

    • Chris

      Gary, Let us know how you make out. If we never hear from you again, we will know you din’t succeed.

  • Steve

    SOP for the white house of unamerican activities gangbangers.:-(

  • Fly By Night

    OMG: Did you check the background life of Obama before you voted for him!!!?? Grrrrrr :-(

    • 45caliber

      I did. But none of the liberals would listen to me.

      • JeffH

        Ditto!

        • http://! Angel Wannabe

          jeffh, we sure as hell knew what Obama was a long time prior to the election, I can sleep well knowing, he didn’t get elected because of our vote!

          • JeffH

            Angel Wannabe, I can remember saying he was a Marxist two years ago when nobody else would go there. Now it’s become common knowledge and not so unusual to hear it on the radio or the tube.

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            yeah jeffh, and a lot of folks who thought the old man and I were nuts for that too, are in the midst of eating crow now!

          • JeffH

            Angel Wannabe, ya know what they say…birds of a feather…LOL!

          • BigBadJohn

            Angel you may have known who Obama was before the election, but you sure fooled by GWB – who took more freedoms from you and expanded the government more than all previous presidents combined – and you still defend him!

          • Vicki

            BigBadJohn says:
            “Angel you may have known who Obama was before the election, but you sure fooled by GWB – who took more freedoms from you and expanded the government more than all previous presidents combined – and you still defend him!”

            Being liberal I am sure you could eventually give us a list of the freedoms you claim GWB took. While we are waiting I suggest you ponder the observation that the Democrats had a super majority and a filibuster proof senate and a Democrat President. With all that power why did they fail to return to us the freedoms you CLAIM GWB took.

            We may not be sure about who took those freedoms that you failed to list but we are SURE that democrats failure to return them show that they are not our friends.

  • spitfire

    I cannot believe that the majority of Americans don’t grow some courage and rise up and take this country away from the politicians once and for all. How many of you are willing to spill some blood for what is correct, and for the good of all????? How Many. Hmmm I hear some whimpering from somewhere.LOL You can come from under the table now! Americans have become a bunch of sniviling idiots.

    • DaveH

      How can that happen, when most are too lazy to even investigate real Freedom? Most of us whine about one administration or the other, but then continue to vote for our favorite Big Government Growthers. How can we expect anything but Corruption when we have given them so much money and power with our votes?
      There is only one Political Party that truly understands the power of Freedom, but first the voters need to investigate their platform, think about why their Principles would work, and Vote for them:
      http://libertarianparty.org/platform

      • TIME

        Dave,

        I know you will understand this We as a nation have not had a Democratic party in the US for well over 110 years now.
        The Republican party was infested as well over 60 years ago.
        So whats this have to do with anything you all ask?

        It has everything to do with whats going on now, if you have two sides working for a single common goal, AKA to Take total power over the “people” of any nation, they will work as a unit while dividing the mass’s into sub groups.

        Thus the term; ” The enemy of my enemy is my friend.”
        You have also seen it stated as “Divide and Conquer.”

        Thus Politic’s are little more than Football teams.
        So when you make the populace as stuipd as a box of rocks by way of sound bite Info, Poor Education, Foot Ball team thinking, aka, {the better of two evils}
        Turn everything upside down in thinking, AKA; Black is really White,, White is really Black, Good is really BAD, Bad is really GOOD.

        Learn to read between the lines, If you have a Politician who says time after time how had they are working for you.
        Learn to really look at what they are doing. If what they are doing shreads the Constiution and Bill of Rights, ask yourself hows that working to benifit me?
        How will that benifit the Nation?

        If your politician freely admits to not reading LAWS they are passing that effect YOU and YOUR Family, there is something dead wrong with that person, as they are sure not working as YOUR Advocate.

        Think of it this way, would you leave your 6 year old with a loaded 9mm, a Credit Card, and alone at home with Matches and a large can of Gas? Would you really do that?

    • Bear

      Sniveling idiots? How about uneducated illiterates? That, I believe, really fits most of the folks that have received their diplomas since 1970. Understanding that it has been part of the leftist agenda to remove classes in American history from the classroom in an attempt to devalue the price of freedom has worked. You will have a difficult time getting people who DON’T know what our ancestors risked to maintain freedom to risk their lives for it. I’m going to stick to that story! As for geting out from under the bed, yes, there are a lot of cowards and there always will be. I knew when I went to Nam that this was true. All you had to do was listen to the evening news to find out how pissed off Canadians were getting with all of the cowardly Americans running into Canada to avoid the draft. Today, all you have to do is “not join up.” I feel we should bring back the draft. I think every one who wants to live in the garden and pick the fruits from the trees in the garden should have to defend the garden. Don’t ask to be a part of the club if you aren’t willing to pay your dues. PERIOD! As for the revolution, many feel it is inevitable. If so, I’m like Larry the cable guy. Let’s git er done.

      • Carlucci

        Bear, Nobody wants to “join up” in the armed forces these days because at least some people (and their parents) understand that all of these phony, unconstitutional “wars” overseas simply means that young men and women are being used as cannon fodder to protect the interests of some big corporation like Halliburton. I’ve always thought the military here should be like the army in Israel. Young men and women soldiers live on a kibbutz for about two years and get military training to protect their country on their own soil. You don’t see them invading other nations on some bogus excuse like “preventing the spread of communism” (Vietnam), or “protecting our freedoms” (Iraq, Kuwait, etc.). The troops all need to come home to America and guard our borders and airports. They would do an effective job, and that would cut out the need for that sweetheart deal that Michael Cherthoff got to perform gate rape and porno scanners at the airports.

        • 45caliber

          Actually, these wars are not meant to protect any corporation’s interests anywhere. They are meant to keep the people’s attention off what is going on in Washington and with the economy. So your guess is off.

          • Carlucci

            You may be partially correct about the distraction, but I don’t think “my guess is off”. I remember seeing news stories a few years ago where young soldiers were venting that they had been deluded and realized that they were there (Iraq) to “protect the oil”.

            Didn’t you ever read the book or see the movie “Born on the 4th of July” by Ron Kovic, where he comes to the realization regarding the real reason for the “war” in Vietnam?

          • 45caliber

            No, I haven’t seen that movie – and won’t. It was put out by Oliver Stone, who said that he made that movie to convince the youth of our country that they should NEVER support our country in war. I have no use for the man.

            And if we went to Iraq, as you say, to “protect the oil” how come we aren’t getting any of it?

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Carlucci,
          Actually, it is an all volunteer military now! They are almost able to reach their to&e levels. that would kinda lay your theory down as wrong. There are a very large number of kids joining up straight out of highschool.
          you REALLY want to see the draft return? Easy, just convince the kids NOT to join. Then they will reinstate the draft in a heartbeat! I volenteered in 68 when they still had a draft. I served with a few that were drafted that I wish HAD run to Canada! They made it very apparent that they didn’t want to be where they were and weren’t gonna do any more than they absolutly HAD to! Those were the types that tend to get you sent home in a tube and a black bag! I also served with some draftees that said they were here they might as well make the best of it. I respected them very much!

          • Carlucci

            Joe H. – That’s all fine and good, but they are probably volunteering because the armed forces are promising them all kinds of incentives to do so. In peace time that is great. In “war” time, not so great. What about the ones who come back maimed mentally and/or physically by weaponry and/or biological warfare? http://www.all-natural.com/part-2b.html
            I have no doubt about the link above, because Agent Orange was used in Vietnam.

            I understand what you are saying about the difference between volunteering and being drafted. One of my closest friends is a Vietnam veteran who served in Cambodia (Army – Special Forces). He has said the same thing – he detested serving with the ones who were drafted and did not want to be there, because they were dangerous to him and every soldier who wanted to serve.

            Being a female and a Libertarian, I simply cannot agree with sending troops over to some hell hole on a bogus reason. The troops would be better served and much more useful staying here guarding the borders and the airports. Then they would truly be “protecting our freedom”.

          • 45caliber

            Car:

            Agent Orange is a hoax. I was in Nam as an infantryman (Airborne!). Later I became a mechanical engineer and worked for awhile mitigating (burning) soil contaminated with Agent Orange.

            There was some group who originally got Agent Orange qualified as a problem because it killed vegetation. After the government listed it as a hazard to humans, they granted a number of contracts to clean up sites. The one I was working on was one of them. But then they found that dioxine – the bad part of Agent Orange – was harmless to humans. We asked why they didn’t declassify it then and were told that if the government did, some people would be suing them to stop spending all the money they had agreed to spend and others would be suing for the money. So they changed the rules.

            If you look at the laws now, it says, “that anything is toxic is it causes …. or IF THE GOVERMENT SAYS IT IS.” My emphasis. That is to cover Agent Orange and other items that they listed before they knew the truth.

            And don’t start talking about all the soldiers harmed by it. Basically when the environmental group stated it was bad, some lawyers got a lot of soldiers convinced they were harmed by it so they could sue. Were they harmed by it? Doubtful. But they were harmed by something so they got the money.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            carlucci,
            Yes, I know about agent Orange or dioxin very well as that’s what caused my diabetes! I was exposed to it in 70 flying into areas that they had used it! My father in law knows it even beter than I do as he worked for Diamond Shamrock chemical during the time it was produced! The biggest thing that we have to do, shy of keeping all of our troops home is to keep our promises to them and give them the care promised when they enlisted. there are desert storm troops out there right now suffering from a strange malady from Kuwaiit and the border of Iraq that the government won’t even recognize nor treat! They will keep that up, and if we are ever involved in a true war ever again, they will have trouble getting anyone to enlist!!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            45caliber,
            I hope you come back to see this. My father in law was one of the head chemists at diamond shamrock chem. when the defoliant agent orange was produced and believe me, it isn’t harmless! Have you ever seen any of the chloracne the vets got from it? I have and it’s gross. there are vets that got cancer from it, diabetes from it, and there is a possible link to handicapped children in female vets. by that, I also question whether there is one for male vets as well. there is no history of diabetes either type one or two in my family, and there is no history of handicapped children in either my or my wifes family. We have researched it back at least five generations, so we have been very deeply involved in the history of both! PLEASE, PLEASE, don’t tell ANYONE that dioxin is harmless, it ISN’T!!!

  • spitfire

    It amazes me that the United States Constitution give, and the 2nd amendment gives us the right to bear arms, yet there are so many laws that go against our constitution. We should all buy a holster and side arm, and wear them on the same day. All of us that are stopped would resist and say it is our right given to us buy our constitution, do you support it? I mean everyone, all adults.Pic a day, and wear the hardware proudly.If you are scared of a gun for crying out loud, buy a plastic one.

    • 45caliber

      I just heard that Wyoming passed laws that approve of open or concealed carry without a license there. There are three or four other states that do the same now. Perhaps the rest will go along with it soon.

  • Raggs

    This is nothing less than criminal! All involved in this scam including hier obama need to be locked up in GITMO forever!

    • Teresa

      The exec. order he signed for gitmo. I might add was a sign for impeachment itself. Obama has placed himself AGAIN above the law! Right or Wrong, if someone is found innocent in the eyes of jurors they are to be freed, end of story! What Obama did just allowed him to keep them there rather they are innocent OR guilty.

  • soldier

    The real question is why didn’t the agents ignore these orders and stop the weapon shipment. uhhhhhhhhhhhh sorry sir, the orders must not have gotten to me in time. Would you follow orders to sit idle while the government orders you to stand down while a vicious drug cartel enters your city where your own family lives? As an agent you face the possiblity of being permanently maimed or killed, or having your family discovered by drug cartels and raped in secret dungeons. So, you federal agent, have the courage to face this possibility, but no courage to face your own superiors? Ill never understand soldiers. Same thing with Iraq fighters. They have all the courage in the world to accept the possiblity of having a foot blown off by an IED, but no courage to ask the big boss man some clarification on orders to circumvent the constitution.

    • Raggs

      Like the military these people have no choice but to follow orders rather right or wrong… DUH.. :)

      • soldier

        You always have a choice. Its just that different choices have different consequences. Now are the negative consequences worth it when your military superior barks at you to get him coffee or to complete a paper by a given deadline? Perhaps not. But are the consequences worth it if you know that firing artillerly on an American city in the wake of a hyperinflationary holocaust will kill 25% in that city? In that case, time to go to Fort Levenworth for disobeying orders unless you can live a long and fruitful life knowing that you wera traitor to america.

        • JC

          Well said. It’s “Foreign / UN Troops” on American soil that worry me.
          And any soldier or policeman firing on American citizens is either a foreigner or a traitor. Either way, it’s ok to shoot back.

          • 45caliber

            The Oathkeepers have sworn to not fire on Americans. And I understand that up to 90% of the police and military have signed it.

            Clinton ran a poll among police and military. it was designed to determine if they would obey orders regardless of the orders. Very few agreed to fire on civilians here. That’s why he tried so hard to bring in 100,000 new policemen “due to crime”. All were to be from foreign countries who would fire if ordered. The idea was that if some would shoot, the rest would have to shoot.

          • JeffH

            JC and 45caliber. I live close to the Fresno Air National Guard , US Army and the California National Guard. There is a lot of military presence in the area and those I’ve spoken with are just as concerned as any citizen. I also know a few local policemen sheriffs and Highway Patrol and again, they are just as concerned as we citizens. I’ll guarantee that a good number of them have stocked their personal arsenals since the 2008 elections.

          • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

            JC:

            As I understand it Bush 43 signed a treaty with the Meses and Canada in March of 2005 via Exec. Order allowing them to send troops onto our soil to help quell “an uprising”. He circuvented the Senate by doing so and should have been impeached.

            So, you are right when stating that foreign troops will be used against us.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Old Henry,
            If that happens it would just make it easier for the folks involved to return fire!! Everybody talks about superior firepower, but sooner or later, it comes down to door to door and THAT is where they will run into problems!!

          • JC

            Old Henry, yes that’s a fact. I can’t speak about Mexico but I know such a treaty exists between Canada and the US. I am presently living in western Canada and I don’t believe for a minute that one of these people here, soldier, citizen or otherwise would dream of setting foot on American soil carrying arms and the possibility of shooting Americans…it’s simply unthinkable.
            people here seem to be watching events in the US very carefully and many are getting ready for whatever the Globalists have in store next.
            In other words…the prevailing attitude seems to be about the same here as it is there…same % of conservatives…same % of Liberals.

            All in all they (Canadians) feel more threatened by that same treaty than you can imagine.

            What I wonder is who else is involved in the treaty or others like it and is it a UN initiative? I’m going to guess that troops from overseas would be more of a threat. I think Canadians and Americans will be more united as people against all comers.

          • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

            JC:

            Unthinkable that Canadians would invade U.S. soil? 9/11 was unthinkable, but it was pulled off in order to get us deep into a Middle East war(s).

            I certainly pray you are correct, but I am also a realist. Bush / Obama have created the animosity between the U.S. and the Meses. Watch events closely to see how events are unfloded to create the same animosity between us and our northern neighbors.

          • JC

            Old Henry,

            There is a major difference between the Mex / US relationship and the Can / US realtionship. Mexicans want what America has and are (I think) jealous of our achievements. They don’t like us.
            Whereas Canada is very modern and has all it needs and then some.
            They don’t have any jealousy issues, nor the animosity that accompanies said issues.
            And traditionally Canada has been a steadfast ally.

            Check out the video, Tom Brokaw explains Canada to Americans:
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV_041oYDjg

  • Raggs

    How and by whom can this be investigated?
    If this is true ( I have read a few articles on this subject ) we REALLY need to see an investigation and charges filed against the justice department, eric holder, obama…

    Where do we go from here to see that these thugs go to prison for their crimes?

    • Mark Matis

      Senator Grassley is attempting to get answers from BATFE and DOJ, but they are stonewalling him. Of course, Leahy and the rest aren’t touching this. Further info and background here:
      http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/
      Mike Vanderboegh and David Codrea have been on this for several months now. And by the way, ANOTHER of those guns was used to kill ICE Agent Jorge Zapata in Mexico last month. The stench is overwhelming. And it smells like pig.

    • JIBBS

      Great Q’s, I had the same conversation with my wife last, and tried looking on the net for some answear’s. I found the same old statements’s. It take’s the house and senate, but they will do nothing to help us. They just ignore are cry’s and use the Constituion as a door matt. By the end of dinner last night, I was so fed up with all the crap, I thought what is the point, if the rest of the country just want’s to sit back and let government just carry on. You would think that with 20 milloion people out of work, that their are enough of us to march on Washington and demand that they be removed and restore are country to what it used to be. They do it in other country’s, but most American’s don’t have the stomach to stand up for what’s right! Most have become Sheeple and are enslaved (slaves) to the elite and bow to their commands and are willing to take any small handout they can get. 90% would never say, “how dare you do this to me”.

      • JIBBS

        Sorry about the spelling, guess I was wound up again !

        • Carlucci

          It wasn’t your fault. The keyboard gremlins struck again – !

          • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

            I’ve got a believer in our midst!!

      • Pat R

        You talk about the millions that are unemployed going to D.C. to protest. Have you even considered the fact that most of these unemployed people are “broke” and don’t have the means to feed their families, much less travel to D.C.!
        Use your head for something besides a hat rack!

        • Alan

          True, I am unemployed and will remain so until Obama releases epa agreements– that will happen shortly b4 election, he is starving a Bunch of us… we dont have the means to ‘fight back’, but understand this–we hate him and his cronies just the same.

  • Minnesota Swede

    Why did you idiots vote this guy into office anyway? It is and always has been the object of the left to disarm the American public for ‘our own good’.

    • Raggs

      I would be very surprized if there were any “idiots” on this poster that voted for him….

      • Carlucci

        Hey Minnesota – Most of the posters on this blog are not idiots. I did not vote for Ovomit, and I resent anyone thinking that I did.

        Vote Libertarian. They have all the good ideas.

        • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

          Carlucci:

          I noticed you stated MOST are not idiots. HA!

          Save us all! Vote Ron Paul! How’s that fer a sloagan?

          • Carlucci

            O.H. – Great slogan.

      • http://! Angel Wannabe

        Raggs , No_ just our resident progressives who show up daily.

        • Carlucci

          A.W. – That’s a very diplomatic way to describe them – “resident progressives”. How could that offend anyone? And what would we do without them? They are this blog’s comic relief.

          • Carlucci

            Definition of “resident progressives”: Just a bunch of lovable lunkheads from the looney left. How’s zat?

    • JC

      Who the hell are you talking to?

  • Ramon

    …Meanwhile at the White House.

    Obama has made the move to appoint one Andrew Traver to head up the BAFTE. Think about that for a moment. One of the biggest Anti-Firearm zealots in America. Read between the lines, “don’t pay attention to the hand over there, watch this one”. Democrats have done an excellent job of deceiving their followers, namely mainstream media. If you ask them, they think Traver is perfect for this job. He’d simply un-arm the real criminals from using these weapons. Truth is, if Traver gets nominated, we become the UK. It would be open season on innocent civilians for criminals from all over. Imagine being defenseless to stop criminals from south of the border, while they beat and rape your wife and daughter, that if you even brandish a weapon of any kind said criminal can take you to court. It happened in the UK, don’t think it won’t happen here.

    Every country that has disarmed it’s civilians, have no way of stopping criminals from breaking and entering their civilians homes. Law Enforcement would be spread too thin to make a difference. The same thing would happen here in the U.S.

    What’s worse, if our government does land in the hands of a criminal element, like the one we’re dealing with now, the civilians would have no way to take their country back. We’d all be defenseless to do anything for ourselves. We’ve seen what happened in China. Why would anyone want to see the same for the U.S.? They (liberals) like to pretend it could never happen here…until it does and everything that was said prior hits them like a bag of rocks. It becomes a sudden revelation that they were fools. But it’s too late to do anything about it. And then what? Defying this country’s Constitution is the worse thing they could ever do. And when it comes to the 2nd Amendment, it would be like taking your space suit off in deep space.

    • JeffH

      Ramon, thanks for bringing up Andrew Taver.

      There is a website called StopTravers.org that you can use to send a message to your representatives. Your Senators need to hear from YOU!
      http://stoptraver.org/

  • Erik Osbun

    These are the same people that enabled Waco.

    • 45caliber

      Please, don’t get me started on Waco. I know too much about that – and most liberals won’t believe a word of it.

      • independant thinker

        Might be interesting 45. eddie and the other flaming libs should really get wound up over anything even approaching the truth about Waco.

  • Jeepdriver 97

    Most people agree that the politicians in Washington are spineless and incompetent. But I don’t think so. I think they have reached the pinnacle of life. Everything they do is carefully planned – to enhance their lives and reward them richly. We “hope” that the new representative class will give the older members “backbone” to do the right thing, but I think you will see that the younger ones will be taught the “ways of Washington”, realizing they can make $172,000 per year fighting for what’s right, or millions of dollars doing what they are told (with possible unpleasant consequences if they don’t). It won’t even be a choice. Go along to get along. Millions of dollars or your wife or children might have an accident.

    If I sound cynical, I am, terribly.

  • Pavel

    The media never reports these incidents because they can be documented factually, which would destroy their corrupt view of the incident.

  • http://com i41

    Don’t forget the free fuel credit card to be used for whatever and the 2 million dollar office expenses, if they don’t spend all of it, they get to keep or pass t around. If they get appointed to man a commission they get their old salary and more benefits, even more taxpayer’s money pissed away.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      i41,
      Yeah, the progs complain about the salaries of the CEOs but don’t make a squeak about the senators that passed out bonuses to all their staff from the left over office budget money!! One group got 27 thousand a piece! Why aren’t they required to return all left over monies to the government? Put it towards the budget or put it into Social security to replace part of all the billions and billions they have borrowed from it! More likely trillions!!

  • patrick

    We really do need to organize a major revolt against Washington. However, like most statistics show about 20% of the people actually do about 80% of the work. You could use those figures for just about anything such as: in most companies about 20% of their customers are responsible for about 80% of the sales. So by looking at these historical facts I have calculated that readers and followers on these sites are responsible for about 20% of the negative opinion of politics in Washington. OK if we have about 300 million people in America, lets say half are adults we are now looking at about 150 million voters. Now maybe 10% of that population follow these sites, 1.5 million people, then look at 20% of those people, we are down to about 1/4 (250,000) people that would be available to march on Washington to revolt Obammy and Holder. Do any of us good guys really think we can overthrow Obammy boy and his band of crooked czars? I for one, am willing to give my life for the sake of my sons and daughters and grandkids so they can have FREEDOM. Now the question is would you? We can all see that our politicans are NOT doing what is right, impeachment and treason trials, so it will be up to us. We must start to organize the revolution now!!! Let us first set a date and then begin to get Patriotic Americans signed up!

    • http://?? Joe H.

      patrick,
      I think you underestimate a little. Glenn Beck had about a million at his ralley. That was estimated by the police! I think you might be suprised at how many would show up if it meant their freedom, country, family,and lives!

  • http://PersonalLiberty John

    “We the people” have taken the path of least resistance for so long that actually having to fight an uphill battle is disorienting. As mentioned earlier, we have been divided and are slowly being conquered.
    We are a very strong Marine family (myself, 3 sons, in-laws and friends)that firmly believe in defending our country and those who need our help. Right now we, as defenders of The Constitution, need to quietly form a strong core of intelligent and informed leaders with
    a background in large scale operations. Lessons learned from the Civil War prove that being out-gunned is a fatal blow in the long haul. From Viet Nam, we learned that being outflanked by your government is a fatal blow. We have to know and TRUST the person next to us when it gets to the real thing because just words of fidelity mean nothing to a liar. Quietly go about your business of preparing for what may (and probably will) happen. May God be with us.

    • Tom Anderson

      I agree!

      The MOST intelligent military who I have met have been Marines! Yet, Hollywood always presents them as blundering dimwits.

      May the US Marines continue to attract INTELLIGENT and honorable warriors who REFUSE to execute war against the US citizenry.

      What % of Marines are “oathkeepers”? Any idea?

  • Howard R Gray

    The open borders policy is there for a simple reason, cash and influence. Few know the value of the black economy it generates, guns go south, illegals, drugs, children, sex slaves, quasi agricultural slaves go north. No one should be surprised by any of this.

    On the surface there is the apparent liberal immigration policy. That can only be a part of it. What exactly is coming across the border? Let me guess:-

    1.Money for the guns.

    2.Genuine workers seeking a better life.

    3.Workers for industries that don’t want to pay a living wage.

    4.Women for the sex trade and probably children too.

    5.Various quasi slaves as an extension of items 2 and 3 above.
    6.Soft drugs of course.

    7.A vast variety of hard drugs.

    8.Other things that we are not aware of, probably things of high value financially, militarily or politically.

    9.O yes, I forgot! There are the mass destruction weapons, those that make Geiger counters tick or the nasty white powders if that isn’t bad enough. Something was found in San Diego recently. What was all that about?

    10.Terrorists or man caused disaster experts coming north to help us rearrange our foreign policies.

    Going the other way are:-

    1.Money vast sums of it.

    2.Clueless spring breakers.

    3.Guns, rockets and grenades and probably worse items.

    4.Other things we don’t know about.

    Now has anyone a real clue how much money is made on both sides of the border? This is one of the richest black economies on earth and I doubt anyone has much of an idea what it is all worth. Are you really surprised by open borders?

    There are of course the conspiracy buff mavens who would have you believe that a free trade area is being opened up in advance of the world government taking over the world. None of this could possibly be anything further from the truth. Is this true or isn’t it? You decide.

    All the chaos begs for a solution, bring on the world government to fix it all. Tell me, why can’t small local towns fix the pot holes in the roads? If government on this level can’t do the simple jobs why are we to expect miracles from the World Government?

    Ruminate on this:-

    1.The better part of 30,000 people have been killed south of the border, that must be a sign there is an awful lot of money and political influence to protect south and north of the border.

    2.If this is anything like as valuable an economy as it might be, why is anyone surprised that no one has closed the border? After all, the will to use lethal force to close Area 51 is there for anyone to see why not the border?

    3.How much of the largess flowing back and forth over the border ends up laundered into the political system? We know it flows into the system south of the border why not north of it?

    4.How long will it be before the level of violence on this side of the border kills similar numbers every day in good old USA to those south of the border? There will come a day when more are killed in the US than in our expeditionary wars! Remember that figure was passed a while back in Mexico and no one appears to give a damn.

    5.What exactly are the news puppies, hardly news hounds, up to? Where is the exposé journalism? There is a real story here folks and we are not seeing or hearing about it.

    We do not know the half of it about the politics of the border here are more points to ponder

    1.Why isn’t there a fence? I mean a real fence here folks.

    2.It is war time and there are combatants that would love to smuggle a nuke across the border. Why isn’t the border more like the boundaries of Area 51?

    3.The staffing of the border is woefully inadequate.

    4.Is there a reason why there is no guest worker visa scheme for legal immigration? It should have been in place years ago. There must be an advantage in the illegality of it all.

    5.Why have the illegal immigrants been allowed to build up to millions, it isn’t incompetence to blame here, it is policy. What exactly is that policy?

    6.It isn’t the illegals you really need to worry about; it is the organized crime and terrorist activities that should cause a stir amongst the equines. This is the real threat the other one in paragraph 5 merely covers it and distracts you.

    There you have it, a summary of the problems. I predict nothing will be done about most of it. No one is against immigration in a nation of immigrants other than the Native Americans and they have a legitimate complaint in the matter.

    Chaos on the southern border is there for a reason not just open borders, there is way more to it. The simple silly analysis put out by to explain the reasons why the political parties are ignoring the problem just don’t hold water.

    Do you believe the following?

    1.Democrats love the underdog and want Mexicans in droves to become leftie voters.

    2.Republicans to a man want cheap quasi slave labour for their businesses.

    Put these words in order “dash and boulder” and that about fits the description of this porcine lavage. There is a grain of truth in these statements but that is about all, it really is largely hog wash.

    What is to be done? Join the Tea Party the left missed the boat on this one. The mess needs sorting it is embarrassing once you get something like a handle on it.

    • JC

      Whcich is exactly why Obama the Kenyan Commander in Chief attacked Arizona so viciously…he’s protecting his buddies in the “racket”.
      Probably on orders to do so….

    • momplayer

      You have that right.The mexican goverment has no reason to stop the flow of illegals here because the money sent back is the largest gross national product, the american goverment have no reason to stop the flow as they can control the votes(re: harry reid)I guess their not able to do the math.When there aren’t enough taxpayers to support this welfare system,it can truly become a socialist state.They have taken lessons from stalin and hitler implementing them, hoping the american people will hide their heads in the sand with total disbelief that this could ever happen here.

  • JohnnyK

    Wow. Some very sick and weird people posting here.

    • Raggs

      I agree johnnyK.. you need HELP!

  • Thor

    May we be pragmatic for a moment? The method of tracing the guns used by DOJ/ATF is proven, effective and certainly nothing new. Sadly, the method in this case, even though a sound investigative practice, resulted in the deaths of several agents. The method is not the issue–nor is the fact that some guns from the US make it south of the border. The real issue is the purpose to which this information is put–and Bob has done a fine job of bringing that out. The propaganda war against the 2nd Amendment, using Mexico as its harshest exemplar, began in earnest in 2008 with state-run media (ABC,CBS, Wash Post, La times, etc) running stories touting that “90% of the guns used in the Mexican drug cartel fueds were purchased in the US.” Facts and figures were bandied about between these outlets and Fox and in the end nobody knows the exact figures, etc, etc.
    Having viewed photos taken by Texas Rangers Dept. Pub. Safety for the Border Security Operations Center analysis team, I can say the evidence refutes the propaganda. The photos show upwards of 90% of the firearms left on the ground after say, the Nuevo Laredo Cartel Battle, 16 July 2010, had ‘after-market or homemade stocks’ which, to the trained eye, indicates one of two things: replacement after damage or ‘reciever-barrel’ smuggling to get more guns per container. There were entirely too many for it to be the former; and the latter indicates non-US sources because the stocks would not have had to be removed to bring across the US Border. It is more indicative of how the Guatemalans ship illegal weapons. Further, fully automatic weapons are illegal in the US even when imported from other places and the movement of any large quantity of them by those with FFL’s would be immediately noticeable. In the end, there are two major sources–the 100,000 Mexican soldiers who went to work for the cartels, taking their military issue arms with them, and arms dealers via Guatemala.
    When we strip away the rhetoric of the progressive argument then we are left with the absurd notion that we should take away the freedom of some 70 million Americans so they can say the US did not supply firearms to drug cartels that will get them someplace else anyway–in short, disarm law abiding American citizens while illegal arms build up south of the border. Seems a lot of nonsense in plain language…don’t it?

    • independant thinker

      “The propaganda war against the 2nd Amendment, using Mexico as its harshest exemplar, began in earnest in 2008 with state-run media (ABC,CBS, Wash Post, La times, etc) running stories touting that “90% of the guns used in the Mexican drug cartel fueds were purchased in the US.”

      That %, as originaly reported, is correct. The original report said 90% of the firearms SUBMITTED FOR TRACING came from the US. What is not told is only a fraction of the weapons seized by the Mexican authorities are ever submitted. They only submit those they know within reason to have come from the US and do not submit thousands upon thounds they know came from other sources.

      The drug cartels also have fleets of old cargo planes that they fly out of and into Mexico unimpeeded and can bring in any weapons that they can fit into said cargo planes including AA weapons, RPGs, SAM missils, etc.

      • Thor

        Sorry, I.T., you’d be correct except for one tiny word–’used.’The state-run media reported ‘of the guns used’–not ‘reported.’ The Mexican government, at that time, was not reporting those guns it bought from Belgium, guns without serial numbers and other guns they did not think were of American origin (or about 68% or the total guns found on the ground); that left the US agencies to trace only what was sent them–less than 30%. So, what’s .90 of .30….27 (27 percent). And none of these figures include the guns stolen from the Mexican army by deserters. Sorry, the gross exaggeration is intolerable.

    • Raggs

      Thor.. Yes that is the true face of things…
      There is NO doubt the progressives will set a trap by giving Mexico guns to kill with while the progressive sit in their easy chairs and say LOOK I told ya so. Now we can take all guns from American citizens.

  • Rennie

    Well this explains why they quickly buried the story about the guys they arrested for transferring the weapons to Mexico….And yet, they let criminals have guns, but not our agents. That is using the old noggin, (no wonder the criminals are winning this war).

    • 45caliber

      I heard the other day that the Border Patrol must first use “non-lethal” ammo if they have to shoot. When their agent was killed, they were shooting bean bags at the men shooting bullets at them.

  • Dean

    I don’t believe a more corrupt government has ever existed anywhere in the world! We celebrate the 4th of July and claim were free! Try not paying their inordinate taxes and see how free you are and what property you really own!

    • Cawmun Cents

      Try living under one then you Jackass!You will see what real corruption is if you go out into the world……

      • JC

        That was a ridiculous answer to anything.
        And that’s how you rationalize corruption on out doorstep?
        It’s “worse out there”? Who gives a rat’s a**? I don’t live “out there”. It’s HERE we need to fix.

      • Cawmun Cents

        Then get with the fixing…..need help?Dont sit around and armchair quarterback….we have plenty of those around here….lets develop solutions to the conditions,not complain about problems….A problem doesnt exist unless you make it a problem….busy yourself identifying conditions…and then solutions to those conditions….

  • kilrntex

    The cartels and the Mexcan president are in the deal together. If Calveron weren’t, he’d be dead. It’s part of the plan to send their people and drugs over here and secretly take back Texas, since we developed it into what it is and they never could have. They don’t have the intelligence or the funds to do that until now. Obama and the Dems are in on it as well, afterall they profit from the drugs and the vote of the illegal idiots they convince that they are on their side. Mexican people are simple, god fearing and hard working who want to feed their families. They are gullible to the BS the left feeds them, never realizing that they will sacrifice their faith to the evil agenda of the Dems who have no plan for God in their lives.

  • professor

    How do you correct the corruption and treason, when over ONE-THIRD of the population lives totally on entitlements!!! The powers that be admit to this number, but I believe that it is closer to HALF of the population! HALF of the population does not pay taxes, yet many of those get $10,000 checks in the mail at tax time.

    These people will always vote for more entitlements! One third of all “paychecks” in this country are welfare of sorts! The only job these people have is to keep the liberals in power. That is how they live! Then, lets add into the mix the Unions and their “entitlements.” Lets add in the politicians and their lavish lifestyles and lifetime retirements after only four years of work. How many more “entitlements,” can be added to the list that must be paid by taxpayers.

    It is all unsustainable. The number of taxpayers is diminishing..as is their ability to elect honest, reasonable representatives.. The number of real Americans is being diluted by our open borders, and the government encouraging “Settlers” into our country! They vote with liberals! In a very short time, real Americans will be in the minority. How many cities have vastly majority minority populations, that take the vote… Houston soon will be one of those cities. It will go the way of Detroit and others, and the country will follow… There is NO TIME to wait, the future of this country is at stake… STOP the redistribution of wealth, and the criminals that are are kept in power by its very existence.

    • Raggs

      I think that I can answer that question.
      Our government want to enslave us all ( doing so after removing guns ) we then all work for the welfare of everyone else… Spread the wealth anyone?

      • 45caliber

        Yeah, just like the USSR did.

        They assigned you an apartment and a job. Then you were given what salary they thought you were worth and after taking out the taxes they wanted, you go the rest. You had no choice of the apartment or the job. If it wasn’t something you wanted, too bad.

        What most liberals don’t understand is that if the government has the right to take care of you, they also have the right to tell you what to do, where to live, where to work, and eventually if desired, whom to marry. All are important to your health and well-being.

        Of course, since they have that important job of caring for you, they should also get more pay, better places to live, and so on. You should be happy for them.

    • 45caliber

      Actually, there are numbers higher than you think.

      If you take ALL workers who work for the government, that comes to 53% of the total workers in the US. Then you add the welfare people to that. The rest of us have to support them all. And they know where their bread is buttered. Further, the workers generally get about 50% more salary for the same jobs as we have in civilian life.

  • professor

    To give a group a “pass” based on IGNORANCE, makes no sense. Those that are feeding at the trough of taxpayer funds are NOT innocents!
    They intentionally come to this country to suck up as much of our treasure as possible while keeping their allegiance to foreign countries.. Our laws are flaunted by them, as they take as much as they can, while rioting in the streets, and demanding more! They call us names, tromp on our flag, and plot to deceive their hosts…the American people.. They name our city street in foreign languages. Parts of our cities are “settled” by these foreigners and even the police will not venture into those areas. Soon they will hold our elections in their grasps.. If there is any sympathy, save it for those being “undone” by these invaders…

  • circle8

    Has the Marxist and the bull dyke ordered a FEDERAL AGENCY to allow firearms to be illegally bought and transported to the drug cartels so those criminals can kill AMERICANS? If they did not order this action then the leaders of ATF should be arrested and prosecuted for their actions. We have already given part of Arizona to the cartels by restricting ACCESS BY AMERICANS to a large portion of the states. This is not about immigration it is about the destruction of the USA by this administration. I don’t know if it makes a difference but has anyone noticed the federal agents being attacked ARE NOT ATF but those from other agencies. No wonder they allow the weapons to be bought and transported to Mexico.

  • JC in CA

    Thanks for the report Bob, but isnt this all a mute point if our socielitest sec. clinton votes for her ‘UN Small Arms Treaty’ and it’s ratified by our chicago gang in the Senate (I am sure there are 67 commies in there still).

    We won’t have to worry cuz then OUR UN forces will be able, with the overwhelming support by the wonderful Human Rights Committee, to 1st protect us from ourselves by taking away our evil guns, THEN 2nd protect all our interests around the world by cleaning up all those evil allies of ours. I am sure Switzerland will be happy.

    • 45caliber

      Speaking of Switzerland, I saw an article this morning that they had a vote there about collecting all the guns and locking them up in armories rather than allow the men to keep them at home. It was shot down big time to the surprise of the liberals pushing it. They had expected most of the voters to be horrified that so many people had guns at home they might use to commit crimes.

      • http://personalliberty.com RandyH

        45, their reasoning was to try to curb the mass amount of suicide there, claiming if the guns weren’t so available the people wouldn’t kill themselves. I believe it was around 1300 last year in the article I read. However, no one in the guvment is asking WHY are they killing themselves!

        • JC

          And if they didn’t use a gun they would hang themselves..or leap off a cliff…or whatever…

  • Antonio

    This article does not suprise me at all. The government is always behind these kinds of things. The tons of drugs that flow into this country are allowed by the government. When you do hear of ship with a couple of tons of cocain that was a staged bust and what they are not telling you is that most of that cocain is fake. Sure there are those who try to get a load through with paying the government and those are the ones you hear about. This article is nothing different from when our government was supplying Noriega with all his weapons and well many other countries while we are on this topic. Does this article really suprise some of you guys??? It is’nt any different from fighting an undeclaiered war in vietnam so that they could smuggle tons of heroin back to the US in empty coffins. the fact is that nothing really happens without the approval of the government period

    • Antonio

      i meant without paying the government sorry

    • 45caliber

      A truck driver told me a story about some smuggling several years ago at the port in Houston. Like many, he was driving in a truck to pick up cargo coming off a ship. Three shipping containers were lifted off and set on the back of three trucks. Two trucks were waved off; the driver of the third truck was arrested for drug smuggling.

      He had asked why so many police were standing around and was told they were waiting for some drugs. He told me that the first two trucks were also loaded with drugs but the police had agreed to let them go so they could have the third load and make a big bust for publicity. The driver had no idea what was in the container … he was simply unfortunate in being in that position in line to pick up cargo. He went to jail, the police got the publicity they wanted, and the cartel got two truck loads of drugs into the country to sell.

      • Raggs

        That third truck must not of had government tags.

  • 45caliber

    One thing not mentioned in the article here was that many of the guns the cartels us definately come from the US. The US government gives them to the Mexican army – and men there turn around and sell them to the cartels. Some are individual soldiers who simply quit the military and hire on with a cartel with their guns – others are Mexican officers or politicians who sell entire shipments to them.

    Our government simply doesn’t like to admit that they are one of the biggest suppliers of illegal guns to the cartels.

    • Thor

      Correction, Mr. 45 cal., the Mexican government buys its M-16′s from Belgium, Fabrique Nationale, to be exact and has purchased from them to date over 100,000 each.

      • 45caliber

        You are correct. But the US still has given them thousands of them as a “neighborly” thing to do. We just haven’t given them every one they use.

  • Raggs

    Too bad that there isn’t a demand for smuggling mexicans back to mexico…

  • lovemycountry

    Mexico is only ONE front—sorry to say it but WASHINGTON is another—-gun-grabbers are rampant and the small arms treaty will give them teeth. MY GOD AMERICA–WAKE UP———Afghanistan basically defeated Russia-not because of their army but because citizens were ARMED. I don’t agree with what they fought for but they were effective. Or do you want your grand-kids to speak Farsi or some other dialect.

    • Cawmun Cents

      They defeated Russia because they were supplied by the U.S.Government,not because they were armed.

  • DaveH

    Government at its finest:
    http://gunowners.org/a03022011.htm

    • Raggs

      YUP… As I stated there are many places to find that information other than the obama media which act like a mouse in church ( they just shit on everything ).. Question is.. Now that the guns are out of the bag and in the hands of murderuos mexican thugs provided by obama, how do we stuff the toilet government with so much paper that this backs up into the white house?

  • craig Sacramento CA

    I think Obama needs to be impeached and then tried for treason for his innumerable attempts to destroy America at every turn!

    • Cawmun Cents

      As”appeaser in chief”He basks in the protection of the leftists.As long as we tolerate an”appeasing attitude”then we will have what we’ve got.Depends on how quick you all get tired of appeasement and decide to work on that specific condition of our propaganda machine…if you build it they will come.

      • Cawmun Cents

        Point the finger at the appeaser and shout loudly…appeaser…Neville Chaimberlain!over and over and over.Point it out from every blog…every angle….shout it from your soapboxes…..get with the program people…..turn their tactics back on them now bfeore its too late!

  • Raggs

    Have any of you heard about the “new” law obama signed giving him executive authority to imprison a person even if that said person is not guilty of commiting a crime and the government police have no evidence of a crime being commited?

    • http://! Angel Wannabe

      Raggs, Judge Napolotano was standing in for Beck Tonight at 5, and was tearing that “New” law apart across the Tv screen, he’s going to be talking about it more, on his own show tonight at 8 EST on Fox Business.

      • Raggs

        Well after they attempt to disarm me amousnt others and we die for the rights God gave us I’m sure they will finally find a use for the FEMA camps for the ones called “sheeple”.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Angel Wannabe,
        We used to get Fox business on our AT&T cable plan as well as Fox, but now to get Fox Business, you have to pay more for a better package and I won’t do that!! Pi$$es me off too!!

        • JeffH

          Joe H., the best part of FOX Business is Stossal and Napolitano.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            JeffH,
            I enjoy the judge on Beck this week!!!

  • JeffH

    Angel Wannabe, I was having lunch today with a friend and he told me Beck and FOX are at odds with each other right now.

    • Raggs

      Jeff.. If Fox kicks Beck, I kick Fox!

  • Raggs

    Why is it that Judge N will not run as a preidential canidate?
    There is no doubt he is possibly the only one that can throw obama to the hogs as obama needs to be plunged face first in the mud of his deception and contempt of America and our constitution.

  • Raggs

    After posting above I had a little insight of why we do not have a vital canidate from the GOP… It is basic… A foundation…
    The communist democrats ( democommunist )have the unions as a foundation and as everyone knows the full support of ANY people considered a minority be it muslims or gays… The GOP have NOT built a foundation on anything other than the sparse support of a few tea party members ( spat on by obama )… The GOP is already backsliding into the demo abyss by allowing compromise to the unions that are totally against the American way of life… ( they believe in Utopia )

    As I see it NOBODY in the GOP is in line to gain a foundation of this country as it stands… commie obama is a shoe-in… If obama is re-elected ( usurps ) another term this country is screwed!

    • Patty

      So support your Tea Party and let the headliners in the repub party know it. We have to get these Rhinos OUT. They, just as the extreme left are the problem. We have a bunch on the far left and a bunch on the far right, and no one from the middle with palin basic constitutional ideology.

      • Patty

        Ooops. That was suppose to be “plain”. Kinda wierd how that came out!

  • BonnieMW

    Off the subject a little but I wanted to get the word. Expulsions are being issued against Art Robinson’s children. He ran a very close and unexpected race against 13 term very liberal Congressman Peter Defazio for Oregon 4th District. Apparently for no other reason than they supported their fathers campaign they are being expelled. Michell Obama’s brother is the basketball coach at OSU and Peter Defazio has
    raised a lot of money for this University. Art ran as a Tea Party Candidate and was not supported by the Republican Party. He announced his intentions to run against Peter Defazio again in 2012. His children immediately started being attacked. Please write letters to the University and get involved. http://www.OregonStateOutrage.com

    • JeffH

      Bonnie, thanks for the heads up. I’ll check it out and lend my support.

    • chris

      Attacking children are all these sorry people can do money and power over people are all they care about.

  • GotSense

    The banksters and corporate thugs of this government need to be arrested and put away.

  • chris

    When the government kills its own citizens to stay in power or to take away freedom so that the people are more defenseless and easer to control. It is time for that government to die there is no excuse for doing what they did. That is why the want laws passed to dehumanize whistle blowers so they can hide their crimes until 50 or more years later with the thinking it to late now to do any thing about it the people that did it are dead or not in power any more it is never to late to kill a corrupt government and replace it with some thing new. If the people that are pushing this kind of crap want that kind of government why don’t they go and live in a country that does these things and leave us the hell alone. If you don’t want a gun,freedom of speech,habeas corpus,or any of the other rights you have that the constitution and the bill of rights says you have. The constitution and the bill of rights do not give you these rights. They are your inalienable and self evident rights to begin with.

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