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Arizona Lawmakers Advance Immigration Bill That Targets Birthright Citizenship

February 25, 2011 by  

Arizona Lawmakers Advance Immigration Bill That Targets Birthright CitizenshipA sweeping immigration reform bill in Arizona has passed a critical procedural vote and will move to the Senate floor.

According to media reports, an Arizona Senate committee approved a sweeping bill on Feb. 22 that would deny automatic citizenship to children of illegal immigrants. The legislation would also require employers to check residency status of new workers, and schools to verify citizenship of their students. In addition, illegal immigrants who are caught driving in the state would face a minimum 30-day jail sentence if the measure is approved by lawmakers.

The bill was approved 7-6 and will now be considered by the full Senate. Supporters of the law hope that their action will prompt a judicial re-interpretation of the 14th Amendment, which guarantees legal status to people who are born in the United States. They believe that automatic citizenship for children of illegal immigrants burdens American taxpayers.

"If you're in the country illegally, you don't have a right to public benefits, period," said State Senator Russell Pearce (R-Mesa), quoted by FOX News.

Several States have proposed tougher immigration laws in recent months in an effort to curb steep budget deficits. For example, The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported that Georgia lawmakers recently proposed legislation that would require healthcare providers and schools to keep a running tally of the illegal immigrants that they serve. The information, which would be made public, aims to give an accurate projection of what illegal immigration is costing State taxpayers.

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  • s c

    At last, we have a breath of fresh air coming from leaders who are paid to make decisions. And then there’s Washington. Finally, we get to hear from people who haven’t been bought off by puppet masters. And then there’s Washington.
    We just might be able to delay what seems inevitable. And then there’s Washington. You’d think we could find some plumbers who are experienced enough to flush a toilet that should have been replaced years ago. And then there’s Washington.
    No one can deny that Washington is consistent. What hurts is the FACT that Washington is clueless, leaderless and continues to make a sidewalk stewardess (a prostitute, that is) look like a pillar of the community.
    Washington, your time in the monkey barrel is coming, and no one can stop it – not even Washington’s Lords of Denial.

    • Vigilant

      Good words, s c.

      The perversion of Constitutional letter and intent has gone on way too long. The Feds long ago abdicated their duties in honoring the primary directive: national security. Porous borders bring in more than illegal workers and drug criminals, they bring in terrorist “sleepers.”

      As with everything alse related to security, and I saw a lot of this in the Air Force, the PTB will do nothing until some fatal tragedy occurs. With WMS, that tragedy has the potential to cause damage on a biblical scale.

      Kudos to Arizona for having the intestinal fortitude to take on what the pussies in DC won’t. I’m not so certain about the cluelessness of the DC folks. I suspect, and this is much worse, that the pols are aware of the possibilities but just don’t give a damn.

      The epitome of the disdain for rule of law is embodied in Obama himself. In his instruction to DOJ to stop defending the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA), the reason he gives is that he doesn’t believe it’s Constitutional. He has gone beyond even FDR, who at least understood the function of checks and balances in government.

    • Granny Mae

      Praise the Lord S C You have said it all. It is about time someone got some brains, but just waite for the illegals to start complaining. They will get their families to start demonstrating and all heck will break loose. Then we can throw them all in jail.

      • meteorlady

        In all the demonstrations there we not one single arrest by ICE. In most cases they just either stood around or weren’t there at all.

  • Vickie

    Yes, it is past time (sever million border hoppers and several $Hundreds-of-Billions later to stop the theft of this country by border hoppers intent on seizing the soverignty of this nation for themselves. Absurd. Talk about the tail wagging the dog.

    • Vigilant

      You are right on!

      The treasonous libs on the SCOTUS like Bader-Ginsberg have done a horrendous job in eroding the sovereignty of this nation by issuing rulings based on international law/treaties and UN resolutions rather than on the Constitution.

      In his Clintonesque apologizing for the US throughout the world, and with a foreign policy that is no policy, Obama has made this country much less respected than any other president has in history.

      • John Q Adams

        Vigilant. I couldn’t agree with you more. However, I will take one minor exception to your comment. You say “Bader-Ginsberg have done a horrendous job” etc.
        In reality they’ve done a great job in attempting to subvert the US Constitution. “They” are horrendous without a doubt though.
        Too bad they can’t be hung for their treason. I’d be more than willing to supply the rope.
        Keep yer powder dry n yer eyes sharp.

      • James

        Vigilant, The Supreme Court’s position is based upon the Constitution. The 14th Amendment starts with “All persons born…in the United States…are citizens of the United States.” The High Court takes that literally. If an illegal alien expectant mother steps across our border and gives birth, that infant is a citizen of the United States. (The 14th Amendment was only intended for the just-freed slaves, but now it refers to everybody.)

        • meteorlady

          While I agree that the 14th Amendment was written at a time and place where illegals were not a problem, the letter of the law was to protect the newly freed slaves and their off-spring. The always helpful ACLU started the attack on this and seems they won. The Supreme Court should not have just rules on the EXACT wording in the law, they should have considered the time, place and intention of the original amendment. That was very clear and very documented.

          • James

            Meteorlady, You’re arguing for a pliable constitution that will meet the needs of the moment – that’s the definition of liberalism. In law, the unwritten rule is that the constitution means what its writers intended. Obviously, the Supreme Court no longer adhers to that. In “life, liberty, or property,” the court has found new rights (miscegenation, homosexuality and abortion), which were never intended by the Founders. I would suggest the remedy is to repeal Article XIV, Section 1. It has long-since outlived its purpose.

        • Vigilant

          James,

          You need to quote the whole sentence, as follows:

          ” All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”

          The key phrase is “and subject to the jurisdiction thereof.” Illegals are not subject to the jurisdiction of the US but the jurisdiction of their native country.

          You’re correct, the 14th Amendment was intended SOLELY to provide citizenship to the newly freed slaves, AND NO ONE ELSE!

          • James

            Vigilant, When illegal aliens step across our border, they fall under the jurisdiction of federal law enforcers.

      • http://yahoo.com Chas

        ..In the words of “Sultry Sarah”/ “Mama Grizzly”:….”You BETCHA’!!”…Don’t you LOVE how the GUB-MINT/Guv of Arizona are calling the Blue-shirted Liberal NAZIZ ( Komrad Zero-Bama/ Anti-DOJ)out on their THREATS?….Like TRUE patriots, they are DARING the BSLN to come DOWN on them !!….The WAR has STARTED!!…..Lock/ Load & KEEP your POWDER dry, BABY!!….YEEEEEEE-HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!…..

    • Bruce D.

      Vicky I believe this is about sovereignty also, It is not just about money, crime, and drugs. I could not be happier that AZ is doing this. They are out in the front lines and taking most of the heat. I also think it is possible the Fourteenth Amendment has been taken out of context and has become too broadly interpreted like so many other things. I would like to see the Supreme Court take another look at it. I have to wonder if the Amendments covers children of parents who are here against the laws of this land.

      • Richr

        Too bad that the supreme court is loaded with obummernites.

        • Vigilant

          Not quite so. The lib/conservative numbers are 4 and 4, with one swing vote.

          Roberts, Thomas, Scalia and Alito are consistently conservative.

          Ginsberg, Sotomayer, Kagan and Breyer are consistently liberal.

          Kennedy, a conservative in name, often splits his votes.

          • Michael J.

            Vigilant,
            Not so sure, the SCOTUS has refused to hear eligibility cases. In addition, rumor has it that Justice Soutor (Liberal) retired/resigned becuase of the courts unwillingness to hear eligibility cases.

  • Lookout

    Late in the day as always but most welcome. Why does there always have to be a crisis before common sense rules? Oh yes with Government that’s an oxymoron.Appropriate because they are a bunch of self serving morons.

    The next common sense “giant leap for mankind”, will be to abolish drug control for the same reasons prohibition was abandoned. That will save countless lives and $Billions at the same time.

    • Aix Sponsa

      Just think how much government at all levels would save if our nation of states declared all crime as legal. With no criminal offences and every action being legal, gazillions of taxpayer dollars would be saved.(he says sarcastically)

      • Cawmun Cents

        Hmmmm…kind of a new wild west huh?I like that idea a whole lot more than the one we’re being confronted with today.The liberals like the evolutionary idea of survival of the fittest?….lets see who is the fittest.Yep lets see how long progressives survive in a wild west environment.

      • JC

        Pretty sure Spnsa completely missed the point on that one.
        Alcohol prohibition didn’t work at all. In fact it lead to horrendous crime and murder rates, gangsterism etc.
        Just as the prohibition on drugs (not made by Big Pharma that is).

        I couldn’t care less if some whck job wants to smoke crack until he is sitting in a closet paranoid and shaking…if that same whack job breaks into my house to support his habit….BANG!
        Problem solved and justice served for about .70 cents.

        perhaps Sponsa perfers our high rate of incarceration and the costs that go with it?

  • John Q Adams

    Stand Tall Arizona. I think the vast majority of real citizens in this country stand with you.
    Maybe, just maybe this will be the start of turning the tide on the illegal problem.
    The useless politicos in DC won’t do anything about it. They can—-they just won’t. So much for upholding the the will of the people. osammacare is a perfect example. I could go on but you folks know as well as I what’s happening.

    • James

      John Q, It has become painfully obvious that neither Democrats nor Republicans intend to secure our national borders. The question is: What should the people do about it?

      • mark

        The reason the Democrates do not do anything about illegals is that they want their vote and the reason the Republicans do not do anything about illegals is because they want their cheap labor and us citizens have to pay for their social services and they artifically lower our labor wages! We lose!

        • meteorlady

          I think they don’t do anything because we are also in bed with Mexico’s government. They take billions of our dollars each year and it disappears into the corrupt politicians coffers.. As for Republicans wanting cheap labor, I think even they realize that they are ruining our economy and our way of life and are backing off.

          However, corporations like Tyson are constantly looking for cheap labor. Their Arkansas plant was raided and 250 workers were taken into custody. The next day they were back at work with legal work visas, so the government rewarded them for breaking our laws. Tyson in another state negotiated with the Unions to have a Muslim holiday for it’s workers who are predominately Muslim Somalis. These people work cheap, have their own bankers, live off us tax payers by taking all the entitlements that they can get. Then there is Homel, who does the same. Maybe we should all boycott their products until they prove their labor force is all American.

          Fact is our government has been allowing under educated and poor people to immigrate here for years and we are now paying the price for all this in addition to illegal immigration.

        • Allan Halbert

          I don’t buy the idea Republican politicians are trying to please Republican employers of illegals. I think the main reason Republicans don’t solve the problem is because they are concerned about voter reaction — being characterized as meanspirited and losing the votes of soft Independents and Hispanics. In other words, handing their opponents an arrow to shoot at them in the campaigns. Remember, avoiding a position is pretty much a necessity for politicians. That’s why the Tea Party is so promising.

        • James

          Mark, the reason both major parties don’t secure our borders is because they are working towards a North American Union (modeled after the European Union), where our northern and southern borders would cease to exist. President Bush’s idea was to make our southern border 150 miles wide, then gradually ignore that. The Canadian and American dollars and the Mexican Peso will be replaced by the ‘Amero,’ what postponed that was the 9-11 attack, but it’s still in the wings.

        • James

          Mark, my question was: What should we do about it?

      • Aix Sponsa

        We desperately need a business man. Since we can’t get Iacocca, Trump might be good. But he might also make this election a “perot”.

        • meteorlady

          Why not Allan West? He’s so good – he knows about Muslims and he is a pretty go gett’m type of guy. I think he would carry the black vote because he’s black and that’s all most of them really cared about when they voted for Obama and still support him.

          • Allan Halbert

            If Allan West or Herman Caine were running, it would create a pivotal challenge for blacks. It would get them beyond the question of race and to the question of which principles actually lead to opportunity. It would also put Progressives and lesser liberals in a tight spot — having to demonize worthy black candidates! I think it will create one interesting election. I would work on the campaigns of either of those guys. Both of them “get it”. Oops, forgot I was supposed to be a racist because I am a conservative!

          • Michael J.

            meteorlady,
            I like Allan West and Herman Caine. West for his ability to go to extremes in the name of getting results. And Caine for his business bravato and conservative principles. But snap decisions by googly eyed teens like the welcoming grooupies awaiting the arival of the Beetles back in the sixties, and blacks who had never voted in their lives before and would have voted for Fred Sanford if he were on the ballot, is what got us where we are today. No, I intend to thoroughly vet candidates before pulling the lever and suggest all mature, sane voters too do likewise. My God people, this is our country and our future we are talking about, not some American Idol contest!!!

        • James

          Aix S., My vote would be for Mike Huckabee, C-Span has been running their interview of him lately.

    • http://charter.net susanburnette

      Thank God for Arizona they are the only state that have the balls to take a stand

      • Cawmun Cents

        Viva Arizona!

        • Bert Cundle

          Arazona Should be the CAPITOL of U.S.of A. ( The adobe House!)GOT MY VOTE, & SUPPORT!!!

    • Robin, Arcadia, IN

      John Q Adams… I agree. Arizona must keep her stand. And that goes for Gov. Walker in WI. We need men and women leaders with good common sense, standards, ethics, and morals. We need leaders to stand their ground when they know they are right. Washington is lacking in these kind of leaders, so the states are going to have to step up to the plate. They have a fight ahead of them, but I have to believe that good will overtake evil!

  • Devasahayam

    Brewer/Bachmann 2012!

    • http://www.diyyardandhome.com Dan

      Bachmann and Christi 2012 (Bachmann as President)

      • Bruce D.

        I like both also Dan.

      • barbm

        gary johnson/ron paul or paul/johnson 2012!!!

      • meteorlady

        Allan West and Ron Paul…..

      • Michael J.

        Dan,
        Compared to what we got now, even a turd looks like a diamond.

    • Ellen

      You sure about Bachmann? That shill voted to keep the unPATRIOT Act along with many other traitors. She has showed her true colors. I HAD great hopes for her.

  • Stone

    This i can support. Now if we can do something about welfare state hoppers that relocate to NYS the land of lifetime welfare.

    • Disgusted

      I would love to see a drug testing requirement placed on all Welfare and Dissability recipients. If you ever watch a show called “Intervention” or “Hoarders” you will see that a large portion of the drug addicts and home bound hoarders are receiving dissability checks. One woman was so ill she was deemed 100% dissabled – she was obese and could barely walk from here to there without gasping for breath – she lived in a home with 50+ rabbits and every floor surface in that house had at least 5-10 inches of rabbit feces – everything else was covered in so much dust and cobwebs noone could live in that situation without being sick! Does she deserve dissability? I would rather pay for a time limited amount of counceling and then if she can’t improve her life she is cut off and good luck to you. She chooses to live that way – she is not truly dissabled. Another guy was an addict and alcoholic, lived at home with his mother and couldn’t wait for this $700 dissability check every month so he could buy his drugs and alcohol with it. He didn’t have rent, utilities, insurance or any financial obligations except to spend that $700 dissability check on drugs each and every month.
      This needs to stop. People need to be responsible for themselves.

      • Aix Sponsa

        The dope smoking/coke sniffing hippies are running this country. That ain’t never gonna happen, Jose.

        • Bruce D.

          Government employees should be required to take drug tests and terminated if taking them. Most likely that is the biggest reason why government is out of control.

          • Michael J.

            Bruce D.
            If testing were done, Washington would be a ghost town.

      • jimster

        I think Arkansas just passed such a law or was debating it sometime in the last month.

        • meteorlady

          I can’t image that – Tyson has one of the biggest immigrant workforces in the country (both legal and illegal). They were paying off Clinton when he was governor to pass favorable legislation. That state is very corrupt, almost as bad as Il.

      • Robin, Arcadia, IN

        Disgusted… There is much truth in your post. I too believe that welfare collectors need to be drug tested, if not every month at least on a random basis. The penalty for testing positive should be severe, like lost of checks for one year? However, people who live as hoarders are probably mentally ill. Maybe not all, but sane people just don’t live like that. A intervention of a different sort would be needed in their cases.

        • Michael J.

          Robin,
          I agree about the hoarders, but people will abuse any situation to get free stuff. Once it was established that hoarders were receiving special acceptance for perceived mental issues, everyone would be backing pick-up trucks up to rabbit farms too purchase a load of rabbit turds. No, what we need is a level of personel honesty from everyone, which we will probably get the day after we figure out perpetual motion. Don’t hold your breath.

  • http://HR-4321 Batt28

    I wholeheartedly agree with that ruling.Illegal means you should not be here in the first place,so why should the kids be legal.In 20 years the kids alone will outnumber the population.They seem to have them in litters. It’s about time something happened with this situation, hopefully we can get some support from Washington, but I guess we will have to see it first.

    • James

      Batt28, The 14th Amendment says if one is born here, he is a citizen.

      • r.p.

        Let’s see, the 14th amendment states “All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof”. Now I’m not a legal eagle but this seems to indicate that if you are here illegally, you are not subject to the “jurisdiction thereof”. Therefore how ever many babies you would have here are still not citizens. Someone clarify that for me will ya!!!

        • Bruce D.

          The Fourteenth Amendment needs to be addressed and clarified. At that time it was meant to address the slave issue and not to legitimized children of criminals coming into this country, which then intern legitimizes the criminal and undermines U.S. sovereignty.

          • Vigilant

            “…subject to the jurisdiction thereof” doesn’t need clarification.

            That’s why we have extradition treaties with foreign countries.

          • Bruce D.

            Anyone coming into this country to some extent is subject to the jurisdiction and subject to our laws. The general belief held is that they are subject to the jurisdiction and therefore they are citizens. Unless some legal action is taken they are citizens.

        • James

          R.p., The ‘subject to the jurisdiction’ exception referred to indians. Indians have never been subject to the jurisdiction of the United States (i.e., federal territories) or to the States, even though they were born here.

      • http://naver samurai

        That doesn’t count any illegal living here. It covered former slaves and their children. 하나님 하고 나라를 위해서! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Ellen1

      Well, I guess if an extraterrestrial alien gave birth on our soil their offspring would be citizens as well. Isn’t it about time we began to use logic and common sense in this matter? It is utter nonsense what is going on with the illegals giving birth here and then claiming citizenship for the babies. Why don’t we just sign over the whole country to them and be done with it? It’s happening in some areas already.

      • http://charter.net susanburnette

        this sure sounds good to me.

      • James

        Ellen1, It’s fairly obvious that the Supreme Court took advantage of the 14th Amendment’s words to further their own agenda. As I stated elsewhere, Section 1 of the amendment should be repealed.

  • Al Sieber

    I’ve been waiting a long time for this, they already bled our state dry enough.

  • http://Verizon Bud G.

    I am certain that when these statistics are recorded that they will find the numbers far in excess of the estimates to date.

    I keep hearing 11 million illegal immigrants in this country. When you equate nationally one out of every 12 babies born in this country having at least one of the parents being an illegal immigrant, it doesn’t take a math genius to see the 11 million estimate is wrong and it is probably at least three times this.

    People wonder why their taxes and insurance rates on health and vehicle continue to rise. We have illegals drug running, obtaining false documents to appear they are legal such as driver’s license and Social Security Numbers. Two citizens were fired by the Department of Motor vehicles in Florida for issuing licenses to illegals. California is broke in large part due to the illegal population in that state and Florida’s illegal community continues to grow.

    The argument that we need these people for cheap labor doesn’t wash when you compare what they add to the economy against the cost of
    medical, education and welfare costs plus the millions of dollars that go out of this country to places like Mexico to support families there.

    • Ellen

      I agree that they cost far more than any economic value they add with cheap labor. They may be willing to work for minimum wage, but they are getting free housing/electricity/food (welfare) and medical (Medicaid or emergency room). This costs all taxpayers, but many don’t see the correlation. BTW, Mexico’s unemployment rate is 5% and their national debt is substantially better than ours. Why do people think it is the US taxpayers’ responsibility to support these people? Jan Brewer is the best thing to happen to Arizona snd the entire US in decades.

      • Ellen1

        Well said. Brewer is a huge breath of fresh air.

        • Vigilant

          I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: what Brewer has done is admirable. However, an old news item that seems to escape most people is that Brewer dithered on whether or not to sign the original bill until she saw which way the political winds were blowing.

          That alone, to me, indicates that she’s a political animal, not one who necessarily keeps the good of the people in the forefront of her mind.

          And you’ve got to admit it, she’s a bit of a flake when she’s in front of a camera. Thinking on her feet doesn’t seem to be her strong suit.

          • Allan Halbert

            But she took the tough road, didn’t she? bringing the federal government and many others down on her and the state, boycotts, etc. If she had no character she would have taken the easier road. McCain could learn something from her. I don’t care if she’s nervous in front of the camera. I’ll take that over Obama’s prompters and air of superiority any time. I look at Palin the same way. It’s the core principles that matter.

          • Vigilant

            You’re right Allan, she has persevered in the fight, and that speaks well for her. I stand corrected on her camera shyness; you caught me violating my own rule of “substance over shadow,” and I thank you for it.

  • http://personalliberty fiddler321

    God bless Arizona for taking the lead in this fight against the horde of barbarian invaders from the south. Gov Jan Brewer for president

    • barbm

      the lady has big brass ones. too bad our d.c. reps have none. i’d vote for her!! but i really do like gary johnson if paul isn’t running. saw rand on letterman last night. only reason i watched it. he did well considering letterman is a lefty.

      • Carlucci

        Yes, at least Rand Paul acted like a gentlemen, even though that looney liberal moron David Letterman kept interrupting him. I only tuned in to see Dr. Paul, but I hope he won’t make the mistake again by appearing on the program. I don’t know why anyone watches Letterman anyway. He thinks that because he always acts like a spaz makes him funny….. NOT – !!

        • Aix Sponsa

          People with a milligram of common sense realizes that Letterman has serious mental issues. Ditto for his regular viewers.

        • Vigilant

          I’m not by definition a Libertarian, but Rand Paul’s looking awfully good to me right now. Chris Christie is one who seems to have the mettle for the job, too, but even he admits he doesn’t yet have enough experience under his belt for a 2012 run.

  • FlaJim

    Good for AZ in setting an excellent example for the rest of the country to follow. The 14th Amendment was never meant to legalize ‘anchor babies’ and, in fact, one of those who wrote the amendment made that very clear when it was being debated prior to ratification. As far as providing social benefits and services for foreigners: that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

  • barbm

    ice raided a bakery in china grove, tx a couple of days ago. they found that 200 workers were here illegally. they told the bakery they had to fire them, then they let them go. why aren’t we sending them home? then, to add insult to injury, those fired illegals and their illegal sympathizers marched on city hall a couple of days later in protest. where was ice? i might have to move to arizona. do they get much cold and snow? i’m in texas where it was 86 degrees yesterday. can’t stand too much cold. :)

    • meteorlady

      If we didn’t have a governor that is trying to further in career (the Presidency) maybe he would have enough balls to stand up and do the same thing. I believe, however, that he has asked numerous times for federal help in securing the borders and for the most part has not gotten anything, even an answer back, from Washington DC.

      Don’t get me wrong, I think Perry has done a pretty good job of running the state because we have lots of businesses here, but he needs to take a stand on this issue. I also think we have something going through or senate about illegals, but can’t remember if it’s like AZ or not.

  • MOM1954

    DOES MY HEART GOOD. GLAD I’M MOVING TO AZ SOON. AT LEAST THEIR SENATORS ARE STILL STANDING UP FOR WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT AND NEED. WE CAN’T AFFORD THE ILLEGALS FREE RIDE ANYMORE.

    • J. Frank Soto

      You all racist and bigots neet to move to Arizona and join white supremacist Russel Pierce. You only want to change or redifine the US constitution to fit your racists views but you cannot do that. Your racist view will not go through. You mention God, but your so far away from Him, you cannot even think straight. What you need to do is repent and put (2 Cronicles 7: 14) into action, because if you don’t destruction for this country is near and sure.

      • http://personalliberty.com BillyD

        J.FrankSoto You are right about doing what IIChron7:14 says, however, it doesn’t have anything to do with disagreeing with lawbreakers. Someone who doesn’t agree with people breaking the law and elected officials who WILL NOT (Not CANNOT) do anything to stop or prevent it are not racists. It’s the ignorant people who support such actions that most need to seek GOD’s face and turn from THEIR wicked ways. What these people want (as confirmed by their statements and signs at protests) is to turn America into what they have left because it could not sustain them or offer any hope of a future. If you keep offering more and more “freebies” (food stamps, public assistance, etc.) your ratio of people working and paying the taxes that support deadbeats (not that ALL of the people on public assistance are such, but a large percentage of them are), will keep getting lower and lower and soon the country will be run by Democrats/Socialists with no working force to sustain them. Then we will either become slaves of the government or all starve to death.

      • meteorlady

        WOW the first time I have seem “racist” and “bigot” really used on this site for quite some time.

        This is not about race and we are not bigots. Most liberals only throw those out to stop intelligent discourse and try and make us ashamed of ourselves. We aren’t any of those, so you might as well get used to the fact that we are protesting the systematic looting of our tax dollars by ILLEGALS and under educated immigrants that the government lets come here.

        We are protesting that our federal government will not enforce our laws. We are tired of working to pay for everyone and everything that some politician gets passed. It’s about taking back our government and getting rid of the blood sucking entitlement pigs at the trough.

        • Vigilant

          Excellent points, meteorlady.

          In that language called “Liberalspeak,” we find the following:

          “Racism” means opposing a black president for his political ideology, or actually expecting the government to enforce existing Federal immigration laws.

          “Bigotry” means protesting the imposition of Sharia Law in the US by supporting the Constitution.

          “Backing big corporate interests” means supporting the people’s right to work without paying extortion to union leaders.

          “Fairness” means the government should be in the business of guaranteeing outcomes rather than promoting equal opportunity as supported by the Constitution.

          “Social justice” means wealth redistribution to the extent that the goose that lays the golden egg (capitalism) will die and and be buried.

          “Employee Free Choice Act” means destroying the sanctity of the secret ballot in the workplace and subjecting workers to union tactics of coercion.

          “The Fairness Doctrine” means stifling the First Amendment by imposition of government censorship on talk radio (only if it’s conservative talk radio).

          “The Constitution as a living document” means it is no longer the law of the land and may be treated with contempt by any branch of government.

          The list goes on…..

      • http://Verizon Bud G.

        Mr. Soto: I think you should try reading the constitution before you cite it in your reasoning.

        Go back and read what Carol had to say because this is the way it is.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Mr soto,
        IF you are here legally, I would shake your hand very willingly! If you are here illegally, I would help them plant a boot up your a$$ to direct you back across the border where you BELONG!!! There is not a biggoted or racist word in this! Also, if you want to use a mis-read loophole in the immigration laws to stay here I will also help you be directed back to Mexico or South America or where ever else you came from!!! I went to school in Tecumseh Michigan with a couple of kids by the name of Soto and I respect them VERY much and I consider them friends, but their parents worked like hell for YEARS to come here legally and they did their very best to be U.S. citizens!!! They were loyal to the US and not Mexico!! Can your befuddled mind see the difference?????

      • Al Sieber

        Mr. Soto, I live in Ariz., so you think everyone that lives here is a racist? and why are you threating us? do you belong to La Raza?, which is a racist organization that means the race in Spanish, “everything for the race, and nothing outside the race” that’s their motto, now, who is the racist?

      • MOM1954

        WHY IS IT WHEN YOU CAN’T JUSTIFY YOUR ACTIONS (BEING HERE ILLEGALLY) YOU HAVE ONLY THE RACIST CARD TO PLAY. ANYONE HERE ILLEGALLY SHOULD BE DEPORTED REGARDLESS OF THEIR RACE,CREED OR COLOR.NO ONE HERE ILLEGALLY SHOULD COLLECT ANY BENEFITS. AND ALTHOUGH IT IS OUR GOD GIVEN RIGHT TO HAVE AS MANY CHILDREN AS YOU WANT NO ONE AND I MEAN OF ANY RACE SHOULD HAVE MORE CHILDREN THAN THEY CAN FEED.

      • JC

        J. Frank Soto says:
        February 25, 2011 at 1:47 pm
        You all racist and bigots neet to move to Arizona and join white supremacist Russel Pierce. You only want to change or redifine the US constitution to fit your racists views but you cannot do that. Your racist view will not go through. You mention God, but your so far away from Him, you cannot even think straight. What you need to do is repent and put (2 Cronicles 7: 14) into action, because if you don’t destruction for this country is near and sure.

        ——————————————————————–

        You have GOT to be kidding!
        You think this is about Racism? Nope! It’s about morality and sovereignty. If Mexicans want a better life, let them create it…In Mexico!

  • Human

    Have we not all realized by now that we as well are immigrants. Descendents of immigrants, that is. How long will it take for people to realize that this was never originally “our country.” It looks like the “native americans,” which include those south of the border, are now going to take their land back. Can you blame them?

    • James

      Human, I don’t blame them for trying, but I do blame the federal government for letting it happen.

    • Ellen1

      We are not living in colonial times. These illegals come here and live off the backs of American citizens who are breaking their backs to keep their heads above water. They are not just taking care of themselves as would have been the case many years ago.

    • Aix Sponsa

      Oh ya, I forgot. Let’s pack our sxxt and get out. You first.

    • Cawmun Cents

      Remember the Alamo!

    • meteorlady

      I’ve heard that argument and am sick of it. My nationality is AMERICAN. I am of Sioux decent. We did not own any of the land because we did not believe in land ownership – we believed we were stewards of the land.

      I have made it without government help all my life. I went to college without government assistance – I worked part time. I started a small business and am successful. I have respect in my community because I work hard, pay a fair and decent wage, treat people with respect and help out with local charities by working and donating.

      All the people like Jesse Jackson, Sharpton and the rest of the liberals leaders are self-serving hacks who WANT the people downtrodden because that’s how they retain their power and control. They do their followers a great dis-service by preaching their message of despair.

      Most immigrants following the law to get here as did your ancestors. They came here, worked hard, made a life for themselves. Now we have immigrants being imported in by churches and taken straight to the welfare and housing offices to get their handouts.

      What do you do to help out in your community to make it a better place?

    • Vigilant

      Human, that shopworn faux argument carries about as much water as a sieve.

      Can I blame them? You bet your bippie I can!

    • Allan Halbert

      It’s not the land they want — it’s the benefits of the system, without having to follow the rules.

    • James

      Human, Being lawful immigrants and entering a country illegally are two different things.

  • Nan

    Every State should do as AZ, and not just because of the Mexicans, but the muslims and any other illegal
    who thinks about moving in and taking over.

  • Rob

    Hopfully we are waking up to the the fact that feeding stray cats(ILLEGALS) will stay and continually come back. Enough is enough. Our elected Reps. have been in denial much to long. NO MORE FREEBIES for ILLEGALS.

    • Aix Sponsa

      Illegals only? What happened to the notion that immigrants had to WANT to be PRODUCTIVE AMERICANS, and speak American, honor our Flag and our National heritage.

      My G-grandfather insisted that all the family learn to speak correct english and be patriotic to their new country. He was a military veteran from Europe. (he was legal, as was the woman he married here, and all their children were born in the USA) THEY WERE AMERICANS.

  • mark

    Here is how you fix the illegal allien problem. First you make the border of the USA vertilly impregable. Next you make it a felony to hire an undocumented worker and the employer gets 30 days for each illegal hire. Rich people do not mind paying fines but they do not want to do jail time. Next you have a 6 month time limit for all illegal alliens to leave the country and we will give them $500 to get back to their home country. After the 6 months there will be a $500 reward for any illegal found in this country and they will be arrested and shipped back to there home country. Next to be an American Citizen, both of your biological parents have to be US citizens. The USA needs another illegal just like Custer needed another Indian.

    • Ellen

      And you end all welfare for non-citizens. They’ll stop coming if they can’t collect from our welfare system.

      • meteorlady

        How about ending welfare for all legal immigrants too? Canada has changed their immigration laws so that you have to be self-supporting to get into that country. We should do the same. We have too making under educated and uneducated coming here and heading straight to the welfare offices. Hell we even supply the interpreters to get them through the paperwork.

        Coming here to get handouts is not what immigration to this country should be about. Most of you have ancestors that immigrated here and they did not get handouts, they worked hard to make a life for themselves without government intervention.

    • “Livin’ on the border”

      Mark, I love all of your ideas!!!! I live in San Diego,& I have seen 1rst hand on how illegal mexicans have taken good jobs away from US Americans!!! Second point-,on both parents being legal,- we could then stop ‘harpin’ about seeing Oboma’s Legal LONG-form birth certificate!!!! “Cause He could no longer be Pres.cause his ‘daddy’ was a very radical-leftist MUSLIM who was not born here!!![Don't you folks think that none of his radical upbringing did not rub off a little BIT!!] All I want to see is the Legal LONG Form, which they are’nt providing.What’s the big DEAL, that he is refusing to show the legal Birth certificate!!!! And only shows a Dummied up [seriously]short form!!!! America You are being totally hoodwinked by this man!!It’s so sad to see the road he is taking us on— With people just following like sheep[over a BIG CLIFF!!!!] We must stand up for our wonderful GOD-BLESSED COUNTRY and really start doing something about our rights NOW or they totally are going to disappear!!!AMERICA-STAND-STRONG, and GOD BLESSES U.S.—– Thank YOU.

    • Vigilant

      mark, for the most part I agree, but I think you overshot on one thing: “Next to be an American Citizen, both of your biological parents have to be US citizens.”

      All five of my children were born of foreign wives, two children in Europe and one in Korea. They are all US citizens, as they should be.

      Additionally, forcing LEGAL immigrants to wait on having a child until they are full US citizens strikes me as Draconian, to say the least.

      I hope you will change your mind on this. (:-)

      • Allan Halbert

        I agree.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Vig,
        I agree whole heartedly!! As long as they come here legally!!!

  • LIL

    EVERYONE – I agree with Arizona – lived in El Paso, Tx for a yr and the critics of any written literature need to live around these areas and then your opinion changes. I salute ARIZONA who shows backbone to fight back Mexico. If our own govt can’t support our borders then I agree any state needs to be able to take back governing of their state if needed. Just to be clear – it is not ONLY THE MEXICANS that come through our borders ALL NATIONALITIES are choking our nation from other countries. AMERICA wake up – take a stand with your politicians on ALL IMMIGRATION as they ALL receive benefits once they are here. An audit of the welfare benefit program will tell the numbers and should be requested from Congress. AMERICA IS KILLING ITSELF OFF by opening our borders to a FREE AMERICA. What person would not want to come here! Human beings are not STUPID – but we cannot afford to feed the world. Confronting their govts is what is needed like currently happening around the world. We did not become FREE AMERICA without sacrifice either and LEST NOT FORGET THAT and they too need to sacrifice to develop their own countries. Freezing govt spending is a first step but way short of stopping our welfare handouts. Take away the birdfeeder and birds find other ways of making a living OR staying home. Permanent handouts do not promote self dignity in making a life for the future of our country. We need to return to being self sufficient then if we can share the wealth OK – but we are already drowning – pretty soon this virus will consume us all. We have to be the laughing stock to other leaders of how we put on aires and are flat broke.

  • dhellew2

    Illegal are criminals. They deserve nothing and should get nothing. All anchor babies and their parents should be deported and if they want enter legally. One of the requirements for legal entry would be to repay every handout they received while here illegally including medial costs.

    Never, never should illegals get taxpayer** handouts or subsidies.

    **Government workers are not taxpayers. Their pay is tax revenue and you cannot pay taxes with taxes.

    • Aix Sponsa

      **Semantics. Tax money is a way to recirculate $$ throughout the economy. e.g. Bulldozer drivers building highways are being paid by tax dollars. Companies selling dozers are getting tax dollars from the const. company, etc. fuel, etc. The driver buys food, the grocer gets it from the supplier, who gets it from the grower, who…..Tax dollars move many times throughout the economy…… oh shxt…. I’m starting to sound like a liberal…

      • Bruce D.

        There is truth in what you are saying but those projects should be kept within the budget of the gas tax and raise the tax only if necessary. Toll roads are a good idea if necessary to relieve traffic problems. That is an acceptable voluntary tax. There should never be the abusive borrowing that has lead to unfordable interest payments and possibly bankruptcy. The country needs to be business friendly to solve our problems. We cannot spend our way out of the problem.

    • Vigilant

      dhellew2,

      “**Government workers are not taxpayers.”

      I beg to differ. All government workers pay taxes, with few exceptions. If they didn’t, your tax bill would be higher than it is.

      I spent 24 years in the USAF and believe me, I paid taxes every year.

      • James

        Vigilant, Technically, you’re correct, but the salaries of government employees are paid of out taxes received from non-government workers. Giving some of those tax dollars back, is just silly subterfuge.

  • OKAY

    s c, as you said – and then there’s Washington. Obama will step in again and since he’s already sued AZ, he’ll probably declare war on them over this bill.

    Devasahayam, I too like Bachmann and I used to really like Christi. He’s doing great things for NJ. I liked him so well that I donated to his campaign and I don’t even live in NJ. However, I was greatly disappointed when he nominated Sohail Mohammed, Muslim lawyer that represented post 9/11 Islamic terrorist suspects, for a NJ Superior judgeship. Mohammed is on the Bd of Trustees for the Muslim American Union, which has been accused of being extreme in the past. He not only defends terrorists as their lawyer but also as a private citizen, he condemns any legal campaigns against terrorists. Christi has also befriended the Imam of the extremist mosque, Islamic Center of Passiac County (ICPC). Imam Qatanani admitted to being a member of HAMAS. I read there is concerns that tne nomination could be payback for support Christi solicited from the ICPC during the election. I just thought Christi was the man but I can’t handle any ties he may have with Muslim’s. I no longer think I could trust him to do what is best of us if he is cozy with the Muslim’s. As I said, I like Bachmann and others but since I had to shift gears on who to support, I think Allen West and Herman Cain are the two who are speaking for what is best for the US. They’re both very knowledgeable and neither one of them fills up their sentences with “uh” and “um.” West just had a run in with a CAIR person that tried to school him on the Quran. He doesn’t mince his words and neither does Cain.

  • chuckb

    palin 2012 there’s no other choice, she is the only one the lib/commies are afraid of and the only one who will stop the hole in the fence at the border. we still have too many rino’s in the congress and senate and the commies have control of the white house and the senate. the commies will not go along with any bill that will cost them the illegal vote. the seiu is at this very minute working on the illegal vote for barry.
    why is palin constantly under attack from the commies and even some rino’s, they know the public in general will go for her and the political hacks like romney and huckabee will only be the same old republican politics, “wimps”. the manufactured polls are trying to swing huckabee back in the running, romney is in the shadows waiting to make his move. i wish they would send me their campaign money, i would get more out of it than they will.

    • meteorlady

      If the Republicans ran Palin, Obama will see another term. People either love her or hate her and there is not an in between it seems. I know that the left fears her or they won’t constantly attack her, they would just ignore her. But still…… you either love or hate the lady.

      I would love to see someone new and refreshing. They are already recycling Romney, Newt and others and that’s not a good plan. I think most people are tired of career politicians and established two party candidates.

      How about Allen West and Rand Paul or Ron Paul? What would happen if we did a write-in campaign via the internet for these people. The biased media is in the pockets of the politicians and won’t promote anyone that the establishment hasn’t endorsed, so these guys will probably get no publicity at all unless we push for it.

  • Brittanicus

    States should are striving to set-up their own immigration laws now, when it became more discernible that the Federal government was not living up to its own policies or completing the border fence amongst other things. Arizona was the first to distinguish this, as their great State was first to be overrun by non-English speaking aliens scrambling for support from Public services. In Contrast is the Sanctuary State of California; while the Grand Canyon State never had the financial resources to honor the unfunded federal mandates. Foreign nationals slipped through the border bringing their unborn babies with them, to become a major burden on frontier States, because the courts had said we must monetary pander to anybody who steps on our soil. That’s why the Border States schools are heavily populated with the offspring of illegal aliens, relieving their own countries from educating them; bringing even more poverty to America.

    In border States and throughout the country these unfunded mandate laws, establishing that emergency rooms must give health treatment to anybody who walks through the doors regardless whether they can pay or not. over these years 60 hospitals and clinics closed their doors, because of insufficient funds to cover the enormous costs in California and Nevada. Judges in the last decade have warned the California prison system that they needed to alleviate overcrowding, which is full of illegal alien gangs and some of the most dangerous criminals spawned from the Hispanic countries. Southwestern States have been crippled by the unparalleled migration costing legal citizens and permanent residents hundreds of billions of dollars every year. The new arrivals are nothing like 20th century immigrants coming through Ellis Island, NY or Galveston, Texas as no Social Services existed back then.

    Today–impoverished illegal aliens are gutting the welfare system; bringing record numbers of deadly criminals and terrorist from further afield. Business interests in many States have purchased their own politicians, so the border still remains open to some extent. This is predominately indicated with silent corruption of underfunding the 2006 Secure Fencing Act within months of being enacted. Many radical organizations have been successful in keeping the border open and over-stretching the limited resources of US agents patrolling this war zone, has become an incessant nightmare. Continually harassed by rock throwing thugs or guns aimed at our relentless border protectors; now have been overrun by drug cartels that kill without conscience. The border region once a place of desolate enjoyment, with the sound of high winging birds is now no place for American environmentalist or outdoors persons as large areas of territory are covered with the remnants of human waste, garbage heaps, the dregs left by illegal nationals slipping through barriers in open places; barricaded with just a few strands of rusty barbed wire or in locations where no fence exists.

    There is no quick fix to this silent invasion that has taken at least two decades, to bring millions of foreigners across our borders or arriving by jet with no intentions of returning to Europe, Asia other continents. Now we must go the distance by joining the TEA Party. We can hold both the Democrats-Liberals and Republicans accountable for the years of abandonment, spending taxpayers money on millions of foreign nationals instead of our infrastructure and the well being of real Americans of every color, race or religion. Arizona’s political leadership finally devoured enough rhetoric from the powers in Washington, stating that the destitute, uneducated was for the greater good of each States economies; except that illegal aliens was just eroding the safety-net and prospective retirement for senior Americans.We will always need degreed profession people, but we are not here to satisfy the indigent of other countries with our dollars.

    Finally, one decent State not mired in political regression or union interference has seen the light. The fact that unions have quietly been catering to illegal immigrants in our midst, so to fortify their dwindling numbers have allowed membership. Assessing their rising financial damage Arizona State Senator Pierce and his Republican retinue authored their own immigration laws, as the federal government just refused to do so. Now undaunted by being sued by Obama’s Department of Justice Czar in the Washington, has shown other States that the DOJ is a lost cause. Arizona has been a mentor for all States who have been less aggressive. As the political statesman in Washington mull over their own paramount issues, like funding two foreign wars and the satellite military bases, along with the monolithic spending to satisfy the industrial base and bailouts financial institutions. States less qualified to handle large flows of illegal immigrants, have tested their leadership by enacting its own enforcement laws, such as Utah, Georgia, Texas and many other States in far corners of the US. Those States that remains indifferent to The People’s need for relief from supporting illegal foreign families, will be doomed to higher taxes, spiraling crime and the attenuate of their states treasuries. Every State that wants to defend and protect its legal inhabitants needs to mandate nationwide policing laws E-Verify, 287 (G) and Secure Communities to safeguard America’s people.

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  • r.p.

    Let’s see, the 14th amendment states “All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof”. Now I’m not a legal eagle but this seems to indicate that if you are here illegally, you are not subject to the “jurisdiction thereof”. Therefore how ever many babies you would have here are still not citizens. Someone clarify that for me will ya!!!

    • “Livin’ on the border”

      Very good point r.p.Why is everything totally misconstrued. What you are saying is the truth about the WHOLE matter—-WAKE-AMERICA!!!!!!

    • Deep River Rat

      rp,We the people didn’t enslave illegals so these lawyers don’t have the teeth to use the 14th.If the social welfare was cut off, the maggits would leave.

    • James

      R.p. Read my above ‘indian’ comment.

    • James

      R.p., If an alien pregnant female steps across our border, she is a criminal and is subject to federal immigration authorities and criminal prosecution – just like in all nations. Go step across Russia’s border, without their permission, and see what happens.
      If that pregnant female gives birth here, that infant is a citizen of the United States and of the State wherein it resides. At least, that is how the U.S. Supreme Court views the 14th Amendment. As stated elsewhere, that isn’t what the amendment intended.

    • http://naver samurai

      Geesh Kang, do you always have to say lies about our Constitution? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • carol

    As a resident of Az I cannot help but wonder why the states which all have serious budget shortfalls do not explain to the unions and the public at large how much states pay for healthcare, welfare, food stamps, education and incarceration because of the huge number of illegals in our country. Along with those costs since we have so many unemployed citizens while the illegals work our citizens need to have medicaid, welfare and food stamps for Their families adding more expense to that states. Since the states have to pay for the over 20 million illegals and their offspring in our country along with the cost of citizen families who need help because they can t get a job because the illegals are taking them they don t have enough money to pay for pensions ect for our citizens and its as simple as that. You want them here…well then don t cry when when we can t pay for the things you want for yourself and your families!

  • http://aol Carol

    The true number of illegals in this country is over 20 million, then add on the children they have here and you get a true picture of the cost to the country and to each state. These people thru their children get free education, medicaid, welfare and food stamps plus costs the states who also have to pay for the incarceration for the criminals among them who then when and if deported simply come right back creating a never ending cycle of expenses for the states. Along with that the number of illegals is very close to the number of unemployed citizens who cannot get a job because the illegals take the jobs forcing our citizens to turn to state medicaid, welfare and food stamps to feed Their families. The States need to explain this to the unions and to the public at large…its very simple actually…you want these people here taking all these benefits…well then don t cry when the states don t have the money for your pensions ect!

  • Janice Fortin

    rest assured. there is not one single congressman or senator who is
    “naive” in their PARACHUTING OF ALL MANNER OF EXPENSE – be in peronal expense accounts, paid vacations for 41 children, criminal invaders being educated, medicated, employed, and otherwise supported, ….to
    the AMERICAN TAXPAYER. CRIMINAL INVADERS IN ARIZONA WERE WIPING THEIR FEET AND WORSE ON OLD GLORY AND NO ONE DARED OBJECT!….ON ACCOUNT OF BECAUSE THE PRESIDENT WAS ON THEIR SIDE. … IF that man is a fraud, then so are all who supposedly “vetted” him. one woman is collecting $$$ for EIGHT ANCHOR BABIES???? a woman should be allowed ONE illegal child (even a citizen) that she cannot support. After that, all further children supported by the State should be removed to loving families. Pregnancies for payoff would stop.
    The taxpayer of USA is sick and tired of being SUCKER PUNCHED.
    YOUR VOTE MUST SHOW YOUR DISPLEASURE OF BEING PARACHUTED WITH THAT WHICH YOU AS A FREE AMERICAN, WILL NOT TOLERATE.

    • meteorlady

      Hey the President’s own aunt just got a legal status and has been here illegally collecting welfare since she came. She believes we are supposed to support her.

  • Deep River Rat

    Hey Gov.Perdue!,When you get back from kissing butt with Obummer;Get with the General Assembly and give North Carolina a sweetheart law like this one.

  • Dan az

    It seems to me that obumer thinks that we should pay for all of there kids education by executive order see below.
    Executive Order 13555 of October 19, 2010

    White House Initiative On Educational Excellence For Hispanics

    By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, to restore the country to its role as the global leader in education, to strengthen the Nation by expanding educational opportunities and improving educational outcomes for Hispanics and Latinos (Hispanics) of all ages, and to help ensure that all Hispanics receive an education that properly prepares them for college, productive careers, and satisfying lives, it is hereby ordered as follows:
    http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13555
    I dont feel that this order should make states bear the burden of an illegal giving executive orders in the first place.

    • Allan Halbert

      Another case of selective, political pandering — when we have more important things to worry about, such as who the next white house social director will be.

  • Dan az

    Four years ago, on Sept. 27, 2006, WND reported that the Department of Transportation acting through a Security and Prosperity Partnership “working group” was preparing to issue North American biometric border passes to Mexican, Canadian and U.S. “trusted travelers,” according to documents released to WND under a Freedom of Information Act request.

    The agreement Napolitano signed with Mexico on Nov. 30 appears to bring the SPP working group “trusted traveler” commitment closer to fruition.

    As described on the U.S. Customs and Border Protection website, the Trusted Traveler Program allows applicants to receive a biometric border pass to facilitate cross-border travel, after undergoing a thorough background check against criminal, law enforcement, customs, immigration and terrorist files, including biometric fingerprint checks and a personal interview with a CBP officer.

    Read more: All children to be registered in national biometric database http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=263797#ixzz1F25poHJn

    • Al Sieber

      Thanks for both posts Dan, ready for the storm tomorrow?

      • Dan az

        Hey Al
        yea its suppose to drop 18 inches here figures I just finished fixing the road from the last one.Just what we need more mud!

        • Al Sieber

          Dan, there was a little frost here this am., and the high was around 52, this week in the 70′s. a lot of rain last nite.

          • Dan az

            Hey Al
            We had about 8 inches of the white stuff and now 8 inches of the brown stuff.

  • FedUp

    We should treat the Mexican illegals the same as Mexico would treat us if we invaded their country. This is a war and the illegals are invaders set on destroying this country. We need to stop being so mamby pamby and treat this as a war. Send troups to the border to secure it by any means necessary. Deport any illegals found in this country with only the clothes on their backs. You are not a citizen so you have NO rights. Confiscate their vehicles, etc and auction them to recoup some of our money. Reduce the aid we provide Mexico by the amount of money we spend to provide services etc plus a fine on top of that. Double and triple it for repeat offenders. Heavily fine and even jail employers for hiring illegals.

    • http://personalliberty Shay H.

      I agree. Also, what we US citizens often fail to mention: is that Illegal trespassers ARE Citizens- of Mexico or whatever country they come from. The Media makes them seem like “they have NO Country” and therefore Need to be “undocumented workers” here, but they Do have their OWN country, They CAN go back.

  • http://com i41

    Carol, when an illegal is caught brand an IA on their foreheads like the custom was for sheep theives. Cattle rustlers were given a stretched neck syndrome. Same should be for any illegal no matter what race or nationality. The other needed quick cure is to neutor the illegals of either sex, starting in the prisons. Start with the marxist muslim moron in the WH, who will not present a valid real birth certificate.

    • Vigilant

      Those measures would be “branded” as cruel and unusual punishment by the Constitution. Personally, I think forcing the taxpayers of this country to subsidize these ilegals, as well as the Feds failing to keep our country secure (their FIRST priority) is tantamount to cruel and unusual punishment of American citizens.

  • eagleray

    I applaud Arizona for passing legislation that would prevent illegals from obtaining US citizenship. If you are in the United States illegally, then you should not receive any benefits such as free education, free medical care, etc. If I am caught speeding, or try to break into some ones home, I will be arrested and sentenced for my crime. The same should be for illegals. If they enter the US, then they should be deported and not be harbored by safe houses in the US. Try going to another country and enter illegally, see what happens. Go to the Middle East and pull as stunt like illegals do it here. Most people are tired of all the free benefits illegals have while other tax paying citizens have to foot the bill to send their kids to college, pay for their school lunch, pay for their medical care. So, good for Arizona for passing legislation that will benefit the state of Arizona.

  • victor

    I WISH ALL THE STATES PASS THIS LAW ,AS ARIZONA IS TRYING TO DO FOR THE CITIZEN,IT IS NOT RIGTH THAT WE WORK SO HARD.THOSE ILLIGALS ,JUST COME HERE AND HAVE KIDS.AND HAVE ALLS KINDS A BENEFITS,WHILE WE CANT EVEN GET NONE OF THAT .AND WE DESEVE IT ,BECAUSE WE BEEN WORKING ALMOST LIKE SLAVE.WHAT IT GETS ME ,WHEN YOU GO TO GROCERIES,YOU CAN TELL, WHEN THOSE WOMANS,DONT PAID WITH THEIR OWN MONEY,BECOUSE WHEN THEY ARRIVE TO THE CASCH REGISTER,THE CARTS ARE FULL ALL THE WAYS TO THE TOP.THEN JUST PULL THE LONE STAR CARD.WHLE YOU JUST CARRING A LITTLE BASKET WITH FEW THING ,THEY LOOKING YOU AND EVEN MAKE A FUNNY,BECAUSE YOU CA NOT ADFORD.THEY LAUGHT ABOUT YOU,THEY GET ALL WHAT THEY WANTS, AND YOU CANT

  • meteorlady

    No if our campaigning governor in Texas would get busy, we might stand a chance of stopping this.

    One needs to understand that Mexicans stick together as families and villagers. They get here and then they bring the next batch here. Legals are not protesting to support illegals. They are too stupid to realize that they are ultimately hurting themselves as the entitlements will at some point go away when the money disappears.

    When I hire someone, I don’t hire Latinos anymore because I cannot verify for sure whether they are legal or not legal. I also find that most of them work hard, but they don’t really do a good job if that makes sense. They speed through the work leaving quality somewhere along the way. So, when I don’t hire any Latino, it hurts the legals that are here and they need to understand that.

    Living here in Texas I have learned a lot about the problem. As for the border fence that some of you talk about, they were driving light duty truck OVER the fence not soon after it was built. The government also took a lot of private ranch land when building the fence.

    What will solve the problem is to secure our borders, stop all immigration to this country, rewrite the laws to support gaining a trained and educated workforce, and stop importing Somalis and others from third world hell holes that are uneducated and live in public housing collecting entitlements. They didn’t work here and pay taxes, they didn’t help build this country, so why should they come here and benefit from our hard work?

  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    metorlady,
    You are 100% right.We have over 35 thousand Military personal in
    South Korea guarding the border between the North and South.What happens
    when someone from the North trys to sneak into the South and visversa.
    Chances are, they get their asses shot or captured and thrown in prinson.
    If I wanted to be Mexican I would move there. Pat Bucannon Wrote a book called The Death of the West,where Mexico takes over the Western States.It has to be stoped ,and American History, needs to be taught in
    every school, at every level, in this country. How can you defend a country, if you don`t know her history? We don`t need Mexicans to make up over 14% of our population and to change our way of life. They have already changed us in some parts of our country. Whole towns speek nothing but Spanish. You would`nt know you were in the United States.
    What the Hell is wrong with the politions we send to Wshington to run this country? It makes no difference what party they are from. In 1960, there were a little over 1% of Mexicans that made up our population,
    now it`s over 14%. Something is wrong with this picture. Bring home the troops from S Korea and stick them on the border with Mexico and give them the power
    to put a stop to the many people, not only Mexicans, but people from other
    countries comming into our country illigal. People, that are here illigal, get them the hell out of here.

    • MOM1954

      TRY GETTING A JOB IN LAS VEGAS 99% OF JOBS REQUIRE YOU TO BE BI-LINGUAL (SPANISH) IT DOESN’T MATTER WHEATHER OR NOT YOU CAN DO THE JOB AS LONG AS YOU SPEAK SPANISH. GO INTO TO LOWE’S HERE AND MOST OF THE WORKFORCE SPEAK VERY LITTLE ENGLISH EVEN ASK YOU IF YOU SPEAK SPANISH. GO INTO MCDONALDS,BURGER KING,JACK-IN-THE-BOX AND YOU BETTER KNOW ONE IS UNO OR TWO IS DOSE OTHERWISE YOU WON’T KNOW WHAT YOU’LL GET. OUT OF 200 HOMES IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD THERE ARE ONLY 5 FAMILIES THAT ARE WHITE ALL THE REST ARE HISPANICS. EXPLAINS WHY MY HOME WENT FROM $330,000.00 IN VALUE TO $84,0O0.00 MY NEIGHBORHOOD IS A DUMP TRASH.WHEELESS CARS,ECT.CITY,COUNTY AND STATE HAVE NO MONEY TO ENFORCE ANY CODE LAWS.LAS VEGAS IS TURNING INTO TIAJUNA.

  • Bert Cundle

    Russell Pearce For PRESIDENT & Majority Leader & Speaker of the House…

    • mom1954

      I THINK THE WHOLE AZ GOVERMENT NEED TO RUN FOR FEDERAL OFFICE.

  • chuckb

    meteorlady

    you say palin can’t be elected and you are interested in west or rand. i have nothing against either person, in fact i like them both, however, they don’t have the background as yet, palin does. you could arrange for a speaking engagement at two football fields, one you could advertise for huckabeem rand paul, romney and west, the other advertise for palin, guess which one will sell out. barry can’t compete against her, she doesn’t have the baritone voice of barry, she does have more ability to speak on issues than he and without a teleprompteer.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      chuckb,
      I agree with you about Palin but the GOP is talking about running jeb bush!!!! If they run him, we are SCREWED!!! i would like to see them run Duncan Hunter and give him the backing they should have last pres election!! He is pro closed border, anti-amnesty, pro balanced budget, and is personally responsible for constructing 50 miles of the fence!! He made a true pain in the a$$ of himself till they built it! He is also pro-gun!!

      • Al Sieber

        That’s a good choice Joe.

  • chuckb

    joe h

    yes, i like him too. the reason i stick with palin is the fact she will have the backing of the tea party and is more popular than any of the candidates. she wants and stands for the same things hunter does, they would make a great ticket. don’t let the polls fool you, the polls fox and the other media reporting are bought and paid for. huckabee or romney couldn’t win with loaded dice. they won’t get my vote.

  • James

    The bottom line here is: The Arizona law declaring that children of illegal aliens are not citizens of the United States, flies in the face of the 14th Amendment, which says they are, and that “No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States.”

    • James

      Having said that, I still wish them luck.

    • GaryTraditionalUltraConservative

      The clause, “and subject to the jurisdiction thereof”, is in fact a 100% conditional clause in no uncertain legal terms. If the framers of the 14th Amendment had truly intended that ALL persons born or naturalized in the United States are citizens of the United States, then the framers of the 14th Amendment would have made it very simple and very explicitly clear with absolutely no conditions of any types and absolutely no doubts of any types and the fromaers of the 14th Amendment would have very deliberately and intentionally written the 14th Amendment as “All persons born or naturalized in the United States are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside”. Now this entire sentence is a 100% completely and totally crystal clear and unmistakable statement with absolutely no conditions and no doubts of any types at all in any way, shape, form, condition or definition. However, and that is a very big however, the framers of the 14th Amendment did not write the 14th Amendment that way. Instead, the framers of the 14th Amendment wrote the 14th Amendment as “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside”. And this entire sentence that includes the very obvious legal conditional clause which is “and subject to the jurisdiction thereof”, has a very different meaning, defintion and intent than if the conditional clause “and subject to the jurisdiction thereof” was completely and totally omitted, left out and completely missing from this extremely very important first sentence of the 14th Amendment to the Constitution. The conditional clause, “and subject to the jurisdiction thereof” must be defined to mean that regardless if a person is born OR naturalized in the United States, that person is subject to certain conditions that must be meant BEFORE and PRIOR to being granted and awarded Citizenship of the United States which in effect means and implies that a person must first be qualified under those certain conditions before a persaon is granted and awarded Citizenship of the United States. And what are those certain conditions that a person is subject to BEFORE

      • GaryTraditionalUltraConservative

        Well, my comment was sent clumsily before I had a chance to proof read it and complete the last few sentences. The last sentence should read, that the conditional clause, “and subject to the jurisdiction thereof” must be defined to mean that regardless if a person is born OR naturalized in the United States, that person must be subject to certain conditions or mandatory requirements THAT MUST BE MET BEFORE and PRIOR to being granted and being awarded Citizenship of the United States which in effect and in fact means and implies that a person must FIRST be qualified under those certain conditions or mandatory requirements BEFORE that person can be granted and awarded Citizenship of the United States. And what are those certain conditions or mandatory requirements that a person is subject to? Obviously to be 100% fully LEGALLY naturalized which also must include swearing an oath of 100% allegience and loyalty exclusively and only to the United States Of America and also at the same time of officially and permanently renouncing, repudiating, disowning, disavowing, disclaiming, discontinuing, abrogating, severing and canceling their previous allegiance to and loyalty to and citizenship of their former and previous native or natural sovereign home nation, country or national state where that person was born in or where that person was given citizenship of as the final and probably the most important demonstration and proof of undeniable and irrevocable political, social and cultural allegiance to and loyalty to exclusively only to the United States Of America. The other conditions or mandatory requirements that a person is subject to before that person can be qualified to be granted and awarded Citizenship of the United States is to be born as the child of EITHER 100% fully LEGALLY naturalized Citizen parents or parent of the United States so that the child of those LEGALLY fully naturalized U.S. Citizen parents or parent can LEGALLY inherit the U.S. Citizenship from both naturalized U.S. Citizen parents or at least from one LEGALLY fully naturalized U.S. Citizen parent and as a result of LEGALLY inheriting U.S. Citizenship from both LEGALLY fully naturalized U.S. Citizen parents or from at least one LEGALLY fully naturalized U.S. Citizen parent, then that child can LEGALLY automatically pass onto and LEGALLY bestow inherited U.S. Citizenship to their own children who are also the grandchildren of the original LEGALLY fully naturalized U.S. Citizen grandparents or U.S. Citizen grandparent and to each successive generation of offspring that are born from at least one parent who is directly related to the original LEGALLY fully naturalized U.S. Citizens who were the first generation to be subject to the conditions or mandatory requirements BEFORE they could be qualified to be granted and to be awarded and to receive Citizenship of the United States after FIRST swearing their official oaths of political, social and cultural allegiance to and loyalty to exclusively only to the United States and at the same time, officially and permanently disavowing, repudiating and renouncing their former and previous allegiance to and loyalty to and citizenship of their former and previous native or natural sovereign home nation, country or national state. Well, I hope that my idea, my opinion, my theory and my description of what the FIRST sentence of the 14th Amendment, including the conditional clause “and subject to the jurisdiction thereof” contained in the FIRST sentence of the 14th Amendment, might possibly be defined to mean and is understandable.

  • http://personalliberty Shay H.

    A friend mentioned her daughter’s family wanting to move back to the US from working in Germany because they were going to have a 3rd child. I said “Because they want her to be a US citizen not a German citizen?” Everyone thought I was “nuts”. “Of course she’ll be a US citizen- even if she’s born in Germany, duh.” Apparently it’s only the United States (not any other country in the whole world?) that lets everyone born here (even if mom is an illegal trespasser) be a citizen. I never knew that (39 years). I seriously thought that if I illegally went into Mexico or Canada and gave birth to a child there, he would be a Mexican or Canadian citizen. I find now, we would all be deported.

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