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Arizona Judge Rules Parts Of Lawsuit Against SB 1070 Can Proceed

October 21, 2010 by  

Arizona judge rules parts of lawsuit against SB 1070 can proceedThe next chapter in the Arizona anti-immigration law saga was opened earlier this week, when U.S. District Judge Susan Bolton ruled against the motion to dismiss a lawsuit against SB 1070. The law, signed by Republican Governor Jan Brewer in April, would enable law enforcement officers to detain and demand identification from anyone they suspect of being in the United States illegally.

The lawsuit was filed by several groups, including the American Civil Liberties Union. It claims the law may violate the Fourth and the 14th Amendments of the U.S. Constitution because it "contains no meaningful procedural safeguards against erroneous deprivations of liberty, and immigration status is not something that is easily ascertainable," according to Courthouse News.

The ruling can be seen as a setback for Brewer, who is running on a platform of tough enforcement of immigration laws. Earlier this year, she criticized the Obama administration's legal challenge to SB 1070, which resulted in a temporary injunction, telling Fox News that "we are not going to back away from this issue. We are going to pursue it, we're going to be very aggressive."

However, supporters of the law did score a minor victory, as Bolton threw out some of the plaintiffs' claims. Those included allegations of First Amendment infringements and purported violations of a right to travel, Courthouse News further reported. 

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  • AMERICAN

    If you are in America illegally go back to your country of origin or face fines , prison and deportation. That is the message from the majority of Americans. That is was 70% of the American people support SB 1070. We are tired of education , medication and welfare costs for the tax payer. Those of you who believe the South Western states belong to Mexico need to read the treaty of guadalupe hidalgo , Its our country go home or else.

    • http://Alaska Wild Bill

      THE TREATY of GUADALUPE HIDALGO
      BORDER DEFINITIONS

      ARTICLE V

      The boundary line between the two Republics shall commence in the Gulf of Mexico, three leagues from land, opposite the mouth of the Rio Grande, otherwise called Rio Bravo del Norte, or Opposite the mouth of its deepest branch, if it should have more than one branch emptying directly into the sea; from thence up the middle of that river, following the deepest channel, where it has more than one, to the point where it strikes the southern boundary of New Mexico; thence, westwardly, along the whole southern boundary of New Mexico (which runs north of the town called Paso) to its western termination; thence, northward, along the western line of New Mexico, until it intersects the first branch of the river Gila; (or if it should not intersect any branch of that river, then to the point on the said line nearest to such branch, and thence in a direct line to the same); thence down the middle of the said branch and of the said river, until it empties into the Rio Colorado; thence across the Rio Colorado, following the division line between Upper and Lower California, to the Pacific Ocean.

      The southern and western limits of New Mexico, mentioned in the article, are those laid down in the map entitled “Map of the United Mexican States, as organized and defined by various acts of the Congress of said republic, and constructed according to the best authorities. Revised edition. Published at New York, in 1847, by J. Disturnell,” of which map a copy is added to this treaty, bearing the signatures and seals of the undersigned Plenipotentiaries,. And, in order to preclude all difficulty in tracing upon the ground the limit separating Upper from Lower California, it is agreed that the said limit shall consist of a straight line drawn from the middle of the Rio Gila, where it unites with the Colorado, to a point on the coast of the Pacific Ocean, distant one marine league due south of the southernmost point of the port of San Diego, according to the plan of said port made in the year 1782 by Don Juan Pantoja, second sailing-master of the Spanish fleet, and published at Madrid in the year 1802, in the atlas to the voyage of the schooners Sutil and Mexicana; of which plan a copy is hereunto added, signed and sealed by the respective Plenipotentiaries.

      In order to designate the boundary line with due precision, upon authoritative maps, and to establish upon the ground land-marks which shall show the limits of both republics, as described in the present article, the two Governments shall each appoint a commissioner and a surveyor, who, before the expiration of one year from the date of the exchange of ratifications of this treaty, shall meet at the port of San Diego, and proceed to run and mark the said boundary in its whole course to the mouth of the Rio Bravo del Norte. They shall keep journals and make out plans of their operations; and the result agreed upon by them shall be deemed a part of this treaty, and shall have the same force as if it were inserted therein. The two Governments will amicably agree regarding what may be necessary to these persons, and also as to their respective escorts, should such be necessary.

      The boundary line established by this article shall be religiously respected by each of the two republics, and no change shall ever be made therein, except by the express and free consent of both nations, lawfully given by the General Government of each, in conformity with its own constitution.

      If you are not an American citizen or in our Republic legally,get your butts back on the Southern side of the border,La Raza my American @zz.

      PS to Sunny Gonzalez,The invitation to illegal aliens to get their law breaking butt’s South of the Southern border of the soverign Republic of the United states of America applies especially to you El Sol.
      Wild Bill
      Alaska

      • spike

        I don’t know how some of you folks get so much space for these long winded comments you make, But, Wild Bill, does that mean these people are full of crap? Is that what the point of this treaty reading is? Because I am not a surveyor and I don’t know what a league represents.
        Please just tell me that it means they can pound sand.

    • Ivy Vine

      If an officer stops you and you speak only Spanish, (or some other language) and little or no English, that officer has reason to SUSPECT that you MAY be here illegally! I don’t care WHAT race you are, the officer has reason to suspect, and SHOULD have the right AND DUTY to pursue the matter! That statement does NOT make me a racist!

      • HFlashman

        Who says an undocumented alien is only Spanish speaking? Why should illegal aliens who speak only English or have a Euro accent get a free pass? Oh wait…because they might look like you and you don’t want the hassle of having to pack around ID papers to show a cop to prove citizenship ?

        Think about that. You could be tossed in jail without charges and without right to counsel and left for awhile with no communication for being suspected of being here illegally from Canada or GB etc. Doesn’t bother you one bit?

        • JC

          As if that isn’t already a law that is in place….ever heard of Homeland Security? They can detain anyone for any length of time without charges or access to a lawyer or even the right to face your accuser in open court. (Just like Red China, Nazi Germany or the old USSR)

          So for the sake of argument…let’s just say that “any” foreign accent might be an alert to an illegal alien.

          • HFlashman

            I know…and since the corrupt Bush/Cheney cabal got that slammed through a GOP Congress, I’ve been concerned since. Even more so realizing that this crowd probably cheered when it passed … they being all nice and patriotic and such

          • JC

            And since we now have a President that has offered us
            “Hope and Change” I guess it will be repealed right away.
            Oh wait a minute…didn’t the Kenyan reinstate the whole thing?
            No change and no hope there…

            No right thinking American could support this.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            JC,
            If I’m not mistaken, didn’t he actually increase it’s coverage??

          • JC

            Could be Joe. I don’t know…did it go from evil to evil’er?
            Wouldn’t surprise me.

        • Ron

          I always carry mine, it’s called a valid drivers license!!

        • JoMama

          Screw you, HFlashman!!

          • http://Alaska Wild Bill

            JoMAMA,
            I could not agree with that sentiment more.Personally,I believe it should read “SCREW YOU FLASHMAN—-AND THAT JACKASS OF A PARTY YOU RIDE ON A DAILY BASIS THAT YOU TRY TO PASS OFF AS A REGULAR HORSE”
            Wild Bill
            Alaska

      • spike

        Amen, sister! If you don’t speak the language, you AREN’T supposed to be granted citizenship!

    • http://www.productivitysystems.com Steve Thompson

      If we simply apply the same rules and standards of Mexican citizens in the USA that Mexico applies to US Citizens in Mexico, we’d have no problem!

  • sunny

    If your here legally and racial profiled, Sue! If you are anywhere near the racist who commented before me, be careful!

    • lkar

      Also, how can it possibly be called profiling when the deportation numbers reveal only a marginal 4.4% rate of all estimated illegals in the US. If they profiled, the deportation would be extremely high. But I guess it is easier to race bait and fear-monger over this issue. I guess the liberal game never changes.

    • http://ahalbert@smart-technology.net Allan Halbert

      That “racist” would probably protect you if your home near the border was being robbed or your family member was being threatened.

      • Vigilant

        You’re right Allan. And how can someone call himself/herself “sunny” when they’ve got their head where the sun doesn’t shine?

    • lkar

      Let me tell you another thing about racial profiling. I visit Mexico often for business. On many occassions I travel with a business friend who is of Vietnamese descent (but is a legal US citizen). When we travel across the border from San Diego to Tijuana we drive across the border. Everytime he comes back to the US, he is asked to open his trunk and they examine his car carefully. After the 5th day I specifically made a bet that the US border agents would stop him again. We regularily see them by-pass trucks and cars full of Hispanics, but when they get to his car they check his trunk. Sure enough they stopped him and inspected his trunk. Now you might think he should sue them for profiling. You know what he said? He does not care. He always is kind and cooperative and there is never a delay of more than a few seconds for them to inspect the trunk and back seat. He wishes they would profile all the Hispanics because he lives in CA and hates the overrunning ov illegal immigrants. So you see sunny, some people are fine with being profiled and actually wish it was done more often.

      • Disgusted

        If you have nothing to hide or fear why should you mind. I would be happy to hand over any paperwork that was asked of me. I would not consider myself being profiled, I would consider it my country showing due dilligence.
        Doesn’t matter what color your skin, hair and eyes are – if you have nothing to hide or fear you shouldn’t mind!

        • HFlashman

          So you carry citizenship ID papers on you everywhere you go right now? Really?

          • Brad

            Ya Flash in the pan,

            It’s called a drivers license, state issued ID card, military ID card, credit card, library card, voter registration card all these items I carry every single day. Now, the majority will not carry a military ID but will carry everything else. But then we have school ID cards, college ID cards (I still have mine) and the list goes on flash in the pan, so what’s your next arguement?

          • JC

            Isn’t a Drivers License Government issued ID?
            And don’t you have to be a citizen or have status to get one?

          • HFlashman

            Esy Brad….with exception of military card…not one of those cited passes as a proof of citizenship. So…off you’d go to the hoosegow for a few days until someone got around to figuring out if you wre a citizen.

            Nice eh? And that, Sparky, is what you’re advocating. All nice and patriotic … about as nice and patriotic as a terrorist…

          • JC

            Flash is dancing around the subject as usual, trying to seem clever.
            You need to produce a Birth Certificate to get a driver’s license or some other form of verifiable government issued ID.

          • vicki

            unless you are Obama. No proof needed.

          • Brad

            Hey Flash,

            What other card does every American citizen has that illegals won’t have, your Social Security card, you have to be a citizen to obtain one, natural or naturalized.

          • http://naver sook young

            I still carry my passport with me for identification. Don’t you need certain papers to get those also? Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

          • Bill

            All of us who drive are required to carry Id very time we clime in a car, its in my wallet and with me constantly, called a Drivers license. and suitable USA ID, of course being an American born person trying to fix my own country rather than invading someone else’s to steal from there pantry, I see this a normal, I hate welfare and feel it and most social services need to be abolished, what is wrong with them corrected and restarted to protect and care for our poor, unemployed through no fault of their own our old, and our handicapped people (OUR PEOPLE) not someone eases, if they can offer American nothing, If they come and clam one benefit then they need to leave. but not before they are charged with fraud and fined, If workers are needed then allow them to come in, do that work, and leave! not one day more here. let their children be schooled here so long as they can keep up with other students, meaning if they don’t speak English that is the first thing they need to learn before even coming to a regular class, and no it should not be free, no food stamps, no free house, no free car, none, and if there are Americans on Welfare or unemployment and the job is there it should go to them first so long as they can do the job, If they do not accept it then there benefits end right there no more free government tit for welfare going on generation after generation, in other works a helping hand to get you on your feet and productive again, if not disabled where you can’t work then they work! So yes I carry Id and have no problem with it, now tell me why do you??? you enjoy paying for them, let’s see you give your job to them and subsequently your home and move on the streets, how about that, Do you realize the number of able former employed people now foreclosed on living on the streets, whole families. There is your crime, and not one news station will show it. You hope ever from your words, I believe is part of the group who feels we owe you something, if so please give what you have to an illegal invader and please leave this country, maybe they will develop in to a better citizen then you seem to have.

          • Craig

            According to SB1070 a DL is acceptable proof of citizenship. Of course you never read SB1070 or else you would known that.

          • spike

            What do you think your driver’s license is for. If you don’t have one, then what’s your State ID card for. I have been stopped walking the street and asked by a cop for my name and address. Why should I not provide it, and why should I not have my ID. Any state with alot of border contact is only doing their due diligence, and their job by asking for ID what the hell is wrong with that? don’t you think if we go to mexico they “profile” us? How about ask for ID? They do. Why are we bad people if we ask for this.

      • Robert S

        Ikar Next time take your car.

        • lkar

          I would but I live on the est coast and drive a 1968 Tempest. How long do you think that would last in Mexico?

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Ilar,
            That depends. If it is stolen and sent to Mexico, it will last about 50 more years with diamond tuck interior and as a low rider!! If you drive it there about 1 day or 1 tank of gas, whichever comes first!!

        • lkar

          I meant to say east coast.

    • JC

      Hey sunny, how was American’s comment racist in any way? Quite an imagination you have there.
      He is simply stating facts and truth…you libbies always have major problems with that, I know.

      But if you really feel strongly about letting all those illegal aliens into the US…why don’t you post your address and they can all come to stay at your house. You can feed and clothe them, pay for their medicare, their kids education…and generally sit aound at night singing Kumbaya and having big ol group hugs.
      Won’t that be great? :)

      • Vigilant

        Grea idea, JC!

        Don’t you love it when the left plays the race card so gratuitously? And it”s not even a matter of race difference. The Mexicans are classed as “Caucasian,” but that makes no difference to the “true believers.”

        But even if racial or ethnic profiling were in evidence, so what? It’s about time this PC government understands that profiling is used to minimize the wasted expense of interrogating people very unlikely to be criminals. As a cost/benfit exercise, profiling works.

        It’s like in the airport; when I see little old ladies in tennis shoes being searched while the Middle Easterner breezes though the checkpoint, my blood boils.

        • Vigilant

          And you’ve really got to laugh out loud when you see that the ACLU actually tried to get away with “allegations of First Amendment infringements and purported violations of a right to travel.”

          Right to travel? What world do these left wingnuts live in?

          And “First Amendment infringements?” Much as the President and the jerks in Congress wish to speed up amnesty proceedings, THESE ILLEGALS ARE NOT CITIZENS AND HAVE NO CIVIL RIGHTS UNDER THE CONSTITUTION!

          • JC

            That’s a fact. And it’s “facts” like that that really screw up a liberals single minded, ant hill mentality. ;)

          • HFlashman

            allegations of First Amendment infringements and purported violations of a right to travel <–Vigilant

            So you're saying Vigilant (of what?) … that travel is not restrictd for all Americans due to the Ariz. law? Seriously? Remember…if it's applied only to Hispanics, it is blatantly unconstitutional.

          • http://naver sook young

            I agree with you Vigilant. I’m Korean and I know that if they wanted to, they would ask me for my papers and I’m not Hispanic. I’ve been asked this many times on military bases, BMV offices, immigration, etc, and I always show my documents. I think they claim it is racial because most of these illegals in Arizona are Hispanic and that is why it seems they are profiling them. Once my huband was pulled over for speeding. My husband is an American citizen, but the police officer asked for identification. Should my husband have argued with the officer about him being American and not having to show identification? Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

          • Craig

            The AZ law is not only applied to Hispanics. Flashboy is either a liar or never read the bill.

          • JC

            No Flashdance…you’re wrong (again)
            The law is applied to “Illegal Aliens”. If they happen to be for the most part of Hispanic descent….too bad.

          • http://naver samurai

            Most of them tend to be hispanic, that is true. This doesn’t mean that they are purposely “profiling” them. Here in Indiana, most of the illegals that I’ve seen are of hispanic origin also. We’ve had people picked up by immigration who also were arabic and european. I know they aren’t trying to profile them are they? Now flush the toilet, if the police saw a group of illegals that were hispanic and a group that was asian and only arrested the hispanics, then I would agree with you on this profiling you are talking about. If they arrest anyone that needs to be arrested, reguardless of race or nationality, then so be it. I think we need some more people in office like the Sheriff of Maricopa County in Arizona. Let them sleep in tents, always be dirty, fight off the bugs and maybe eat some, give them no privacy, have them go out and do work at night also, etc, they won’t really want to come back. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Robert S

        JC The dollar will be worthless in a couple of years and we’ll all be digging in the same dumpster looking for scraps left by the Elite.

        • JC

          I hope it doesn’t come to that.
          But I’ll tell you one thing for sure…I won’t be digging around in any dumpster. Or anywhere near people who are…

          • http://?? Joe H.

            JC,
            AMEN TO THAT!!

          • Robert S

            When the food is controlled by a few Agri-Giants they will be able to starve Americans just like Stalin did in Russia.

          • http://naver sook young

            Wasn’t the Stalinist government the agri-giant? Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

    • marvin

      sunny
      and the liberals said it ok to be here illegally but don,t profile ,i guess it is profiling when the cops put up a road block and check your drivers lis and ins card,i guess it is profiling if a white guy rob,s a gas station in a white car, and the cops stop only white men in white cars,IF YOU ARE HERE LEGALLY YOU HAVE NOTHING TO FEAR, illegal and undocumented and criminal are the same thing aginest the law not legal

      • alpha-lemming

        And it’s profiling if say…. they’re looking for “vandal taggers” in DC and they round up anyone other than 80 year old white-women.

      • Bob Wire

        “liberals said it ok to be here illegally ”

        No Marvin! let us get it correct, You are saying that.

    • Robin from Arcadia, IN

      Sunny…. Have you been racially profiled? Are you here legally? You have issues and you won’t get much sympathy on this blog!

    • Conservatives United

      If you are here legally stand up for the rule of law, against illegals of any race, then you will be taken seriously by the rest of the nation. When you duck under the radar, and claim and support all the BS that the illegals and their supporters make, YOU BECOME PART OF THE PROBLEM, NOT THE SOLUTIONS.

    • http://naver sook young

      Are you here legally? Have you been through the process I’ve been through for years? Are you Hispanic? Just because someone says that you should be checked doesn’t mean that the are prejudiced against you. Thank you.

      Sook Young
      Wife of the Samurai

    • DS

      What’s wrong with profiling???? It’s a proven tool to catch criminals.
      Law enforcement needs to set up more checkpoints – all over the country – to screen out illegals. They do it for dui and seat belts, right? But doing it to deport illegals doesn’t bring in any cash! Law enforcement – local, federal – are useless unless they can bring in a little cash for the gov. If they were concerned about safety and crime we would be deporting illegals as fast as possible. This would cut crime throughout the US by about 25%.

    • JoMama

      Screw you, too, sunny!!
      I can say that & I’m sure you & HFlashman will find something terribly “racist” about it, too. Yup.

  • lkar

    sunny, I guess that is always the answer. Sue! Maybe you should spend some time in another country without your passport and visa. See how far sueing will get you. We are a compassionate nation, but the times are dictating action. Just read the news from any local border state. You would be singing a different tune if it ws in your backyard! Not everyone is perfect, but cooperation goes a long way to avoiding getting hasseled. I would think those that are here legally would be mad as he!! at those who come to the US illegally.

    • Conservatives United

      Sunny you are correct. See my comments above.

      • Conservatives United

        I meant to say Ikar, not Sunny.

  • LAConfidential

    sunny -

    you need to actually open a dictionary and discover the definition of RACIST. The exercising of one’s first amendment right is not racism. The posting from AMERICAN contains absolutely NO racist comments whatsoever. Before you try a different attack angle, and just for your information – there is NO hate speech contained in his posting either.

    Here’s another newsflash for ya: it is NOT racism when one voices a dissenting political view or opinion. It is merely a dissenting view or opinion. Just because it isn’t YOUR opinion does not classify it as racist.

    It is my opinion that sue-happy people like you are one thing that’s messed up with our judicial system. Since you threw out the ‘race card’ rather quickly and you encourage frivolous lawsuits – it would seem to lower your opinion to that of trash.

    • HFlashman

      I disagree with American’s post not containing a hint of racism. While the majority of undocumented workers are Latin…there are large numbers who are not Latin. Asian, Caucasian, African…every race and continent on this rock.

      So let’s pretend…a cop who is Hispanic or balck … sees you driving down the road. He pulls youover because he had a bad day and observed one of his race being treated as he is about to treat you. You pull over…he comes up, says he suspects you of a crime and asks for your proof of citizenship. You don’t have any on you (a driver’s license is not proof remember). Guess what/ You go to jail. You do not pass Go. Your car is towed, your plans trashed, you onow have an arrest record…and you get to sit for awhile without having access to call an atty, relatives etc…all the while somebody takes thier time to find out who you are.

      Yep…sounds just like what we want in this country…right?

      So we have come to the point where anyone who challenges a law stating it infringes upon the Rights, liberities and freedoms … those who challenge that disgrace of an excercise of state power are deemed unAmerican? Have the people devolved to such extet that this is what we have come to? Challenging the State is now deemed unpatriotic? Is now deemed a terrible thing?

      If so…I would expect the same disdain against those who challenge the Healthcare laws.

      • lkar

        Wow. That is quite a liberal reach of make believe. Now suppose I am stopped as you say. I give the officer proof of identity with my drivers license and proof of insurance (and if requested proof of vehicle registration). According to SB1070 rules this would just about take care of 99% of any “profiling” that you are trying to hypothesis. If I was stick in the 1% that did get snagged, if I had a clear conscience that would not bother me. Annoyed perhaps, but knowing that I support legal immigration and abhor illegal aliens disregarding or soveriegnity, then I would endure and evrything would be cleared up.
        Now your other contortion is the idea that illegal aliens have the same “Rights, liberities and freedoms” as US citizen is unpatriotic! That is the challenge that most people are upset about. And since when does other countries allowed to meddle in our internal affairs?
        I read your posts on various topics so I know I have wasted way to many words as you will simply reply with some smug liberal remarks or call me names like “raceist, Xenophobic , or right wing wack job”. You sir can kiss my…

        • HFlashman

          So being hauled off to jail is nothing you’d be upset about/

          As for your comment “the idea that illegal aliens have the same “Rights, liberities and freedoms” as US citizen is unpatriotic!”

          For me..the challenge to that abortion of a law is about protecting MY Rights, freedoms and liberties! And any such support of uncontestable state power to hold and detain simply upon a subjective call by a police officer is not that of a supporter of our Constitution. Call me unpatriotic? For what? Demanding that our Rights, Freedom and liberties be protected?

          What gall to suggest we have too many liberties and freedoms and a Right is something to be wasted because of you’re a coward who won’t stand up for the Rights, liberties and freedoms of Americans.

          • lkar

            As always you miss the point. Our rights, liberties, and freedoms are being eroded everyday by illegal aliens disrespecting our borders! If we did not have an illegal alien invasion, I would not have to worry about profiling. Is that clear enough?

          • HFlashman

            And if you and others like you thought above a 7th grade simplistic mentality, I wouldn’t have to worry about freaks being voted into office. Is that clear?

          • JC

            Typical Liberal – Flashman is the first to “point out” that many of the illegal aliens are of different ethnicity. Yes they are and that is a fact. So, how does that make anyone a Racist…since it is a “fact” and saying so is mereley stating a “fact”?
            Something about “Facts” really messes up the Liberal mind…

          • Robin from Arcadia, IN

            Again… You put your foot in your mouth! You said it! Rights, Freedoms, and Liberties are for Americans…
            Get it? Americans! Illegals are not Americans. Flashman you really like to get everyone going and you really are a piece of work. You are blind to so much… Take off your blinders. I believe that those who profess to be liberals don’t have the ability to see the big picture. They are only looking at the here and now.

          • Vigilant

            Isn’t that rich? Flush standing up for the Constitution when every posting he makes shows he is an advocate of rending that document to pieces!

            Flush, why not in the future cite the documents you REALLY respect, i.e., the Communist Manifesto and Das Kapital?

          • Vigilant

            …and throw in “Mein Kampf” for good measure.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Flushman,
            If you are arrested by mistake as you described, you can get it expunged from your record!!! Like it never happened!!

        • lkar

          Did I predict the name calling or what?

        • JeffH

          Flash is this months resident board harpy, in true liberal fashion.
          Just ‘doin his JOB…schill!

          • libertytrain

            JeffH one of my cheap thrills is guessing which ones are paid basement WH workers and which shift they work — to keep up with fine websites such as these.

          • JeffH

            libertytrain, always the same message and only the names have been changed to protect the employer.

          • http://naver samurai

            True, but we all know who is their boss, don’t we? Keep up the good fight, fellow patriots! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • marvin

        HFlashman
        if you where not a liberal moron people may think you are an idiot,so keep up the post, they give insight in to a liberals mind set,and you would be a good lawyer for the aclu, is full of brain dead people like you

        • Vigilant

          marvin,

          You’re right. I think Flush should veritably flood this site with postings. He’s the best walking advertisement of what’s wrong with the public so-called “education” system in America.

          Bring on the postings, Flush!

      • Conservatives United

        Flash in the Pan. As usual you you use faulty logic and facts. No one can respond to things that are a complete farce. Do some real research, Not on the Lame Steam Media and Dem talking points, and then you may be taken seriously.

    • libertytrain

      Nicely said -

  • Polski

    When my grandparents came to the United States in 1912, there was a quota for Polish being allowed to LEGALLY come into the United States. SO, IN 1912, THERE IS RACIAL PROFILING, and no, it’s NOT against hispanics.

  • Mark

    Profiling my anal pore. What does race got to do with it. If you are guilty, get over it. Don’t cry and whine that someone is picking on you and your countryman just because you are the majority of the problem. Profiling is just another far left gimmick that makes me sick. As far as that judge is concerned, I urinate at her, and on her. Am I profiling her because she is a judge and a female, NO, I urinate on her because she does not know the law. EVERYONE must produce identification when asked by law enforcement. So get off this profiling weanie act and man up or go home. Or let the people send you home in a black bag.

    • Conservatives United

      WHAT PART OF ILLEGAL DO THEY NOT UNDERSTAND!!!!!!!

    • HFlashman

      Actually…unless the officer has probable cause, in the old days before the Right rippe apart the Constitution at the urgings of its supporters, you did not have to produce ID. Of course, since the corrupt regime of Bush/Cheney and the GOP congress gave us the unPtatriot Act and pushed it through because the Right was a bunch of snivelling cowards easily led by robotic orders on what to think … ID may now be required if asked no matter what the reason.

      I don’t know on that point.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Flushman,
        and your patriotic hero Nobama not only kept it in place, he expanded it!!!

        • http://naver samurai

          True that! True that! Keep up the good fight, fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            samurai ole bud!!! Welcome back and hope you are feelin well again!!

          • http://naver samurai

            Thanks Joe H. From what I’ve read on other posting sites, my wife did a good job. I guess we make a good team. Keep up the good fight, fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Tim in Ohio

    As a grain farmer I am stopped by law enforcement often to make sure I have a health card proper lisc. good equipment and haveing the proper wieght,,If I would have a older looking truck or looking “heavey I would be pulled over just because,,so I am being “profiled”, If I don’t have my things in order I must have my truck towed and may even be arrested,,,How is this different from an illegal being checked?? I pay a “large” property tax each year, along with all the other taxes we “Americans” must pay, and a large amount of that is wasted on people that are not Americans and are not paying for the ride, this also applys to any American driveing down the highway.

    • HFlashman

      Does he law being challenged state that it’s only when driving (a privilege BTW….where the license can be checked with minimal cause)?

      How about walking in your fields? What say you in that circumstance?

      As a grain farmer…ever hire a field contractor to bring in labor? have friends that do? Ya ever check or demand proof of citizenship or have you winked at the issue as you pay the lower amounts for such labor ?

      • Vigilant

        Driving a privilege? Of course it is!

        Citizenship a privilege? Of course it is!

        • JeffH

          …being here illegally a privilege? Apparently so!

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Flushingman,
        again you read into the law things that are not in it!! The police can only stop the people IF THEY ARE IN THE COMMISION OF SOME OTHER VIOLATION OF THE LAW! Speeding,smoking dope, selling drugs, illegal parking, only if they are in violation of some law or ordinance!! In fact, if it is proven that the officer profiled and then stopped the person for no reason, then he can be suspended without pay and even fired!!!

    • lkar

      Don’t bother answering the flash. He is caught up in hypotheticals. Nothing like always blaming the US citizen for illegal immigration!

      • HFlashman

        “Don’t worry…it will never happen”. Sound familiar?

        • lkar

          Yea. When Obama said I can keep my coverage. Or was it when he said the the stimulus will create millions of jobs and the unemployment rate would not go over 8%. Maybe it was Pelosi saying we need to pass the bill and then we can find out what is in it. Or was is Bush who said we had to take out Iraq because of WMD. Or was it his Medicare plan D that would lower perscription costs.
          However, Tim has stated that he keeps his stuff in order as a lawful US citizen and we are sick of the illegal aliens getting by scot free because you insist on scare tactics.

      • Conservatives United

        If we ignore FLASH IN THE PAN, maybe he will go away, or wake up. Great idea, Never Happen. Since Liberal do not think for themselves, they are DOOMED.

        • http://naver sook young

          Can liberals in this great country think? Thank you.

          Sook Young
          Wife of the Samurai

          • Craig

            Thinking requires a brain. Liberals lack such a organ.

          • http://naver samurai

            Very funny! Ha, ha, ha, ha!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            sook young,
            Looks like you got your ole son back in the fight!! good for ya!!

          • http://naver sook young

            Thank you, Joe H. It’s good to have him back in the fight. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

  • Teresa

    I am so tired of everyone always wanting to be politically correct to pacify the liberals of this once great nation. When I take my child to enroll her in sports, I have to show proof of birth! When I am pulled over, I have to show my drivers license! If I want any legal or medical documents that are mine, I have to prove WHO I AM and that I am a legal resident of the US….you dare come to OUR country, freeload off OUR tax dollars and whine about YOUR rights! YOU HAVE NO RIGHTS IF YOUR HERE ILLEGAL…DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT! The administration under Obama has crossed the line under nothing less than treason with his actions regarding the border issue. If you think there is profiling..there should be profiling, we as a nation are on high alert and you use this to your advantage and think Obama and his Czars will save you. We the people are fed up and are going to be heard!

    • HFlashman

      “HAVE NO RIGHTS IF YOUR HERE ILLEGAL…DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT! ” <–Teresa.

      Ummm…so you just trashed the Declaration of Independence eh?

      We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

      Now…just where exactly does that state that "all men" means "only if you're born in the US or a naturalized citizen"

      • http://yahoo jowolo

        Glad to see u type in “Creator”. Obomonous cant seem to say it.

        • Conservatives United

          But Flash in the Pan, does not realize that the Declaration of Independence, and the Constitution, are for Legal US Citizens, not the entire world.

          • HFlashman

            Yo Conservative…care to show what parts of the Constitution state citizens and what pert(s) do not?

            Now why do you think there is that differentation as to certain sections/ Because they just decided to write it that way?

            For a “strict constructionist’, it sure does seem selective as to what parts you want “strictly construed”.

            Jeesh

          • vicki

            What is your position on the 2nd Amendment there HFlashman?

          • http://naver sook young

            Doesn’t it say…”do ordain and establish this Constitution of the United States of America?” Please tell me HFlashman where it mentions other countries in the Preamble to our great Constitution? Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

          • Vigilant

            Flush’s abysmal LACK of knowledge concerning the Constitution would fill volumes. No use even talking to him about it.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Vigilant,
            what he knows wouldn’t fill a thimble!!!

      • lkar

        Using your superior 8th grade mind. Perhaps you should read the title of the document you quoted. I believe it states “The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America”. That would imply that they are declaring the states and the citizens of that state are setting forth the document. It is not Mexico’s document or any other countries. It also goes on to state “That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed”. We have consented to laws about legal immigration to this country. That would mean that illegal aliens have these rights that they can exercise in their own countries. When they are in the US legally then they can exercise these rights in this country.

      • Gary

        Damn Flash, How obtuse can you be? Are you liveing in the real world?

        • Vigilant

          Gary,

          Decisive answer: no, he’s not.

        • Conservatives United

          Flash in the Pan, comes from a planet called LIBO STUPIDOSES, IN THE Galaxcy of FOG. We need to give him a send off back home, and he can take all of his buddies Washington DCI (District of Crimminal Intent) with him. The White House Illegal, Queen Piglosi & HAHA Reid should love it there.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            And he lives in the state of confusion!

      • marvin

        HFlashman
        you and your master obama maybe citizens of the world,but for the rest of us american citizens, the constitution was wrote for the american citizens not the world the united states of america not meximer you embacle

      • JC

        Another Flash in the pan analogy LOL.
        The Declaration was written for Americans!
        If you want to be one…you come through the FRONT door.
        But if you want to sneak in through the desert, maybe stealing killing and raping as you go…well then you are not only an illegal alien, your are a criminal on every level. Maybe even an enemy insurgent…so being shot on sight as a clear and present danger to the security of the USA, is the risk you take…isn’t it Flash?

        • HFlashman

          Marv…JC…care to show where it states in the Constitution that it was written for “Americans” ? Care to explain after that (lol) why it states certain clauses are for citizens and some don’t make that differentation?

          • JC

            Oh look at you trying to be clever again! :)
            You don’t think there’s anything in the Constitution about maintaining our nations sovereignty in the face of an assault on American citizens? protecting our borders from foreign invasion?
            Back to the drawing board for you Flashdance.

          • Dan Az

            flashback
            it was writen in the blood of patriots

          • Vigilant

            You’re right, Flush. The Constitution was written for North Korea as well….why don’t you move over there, or better yet, try to enter as an illegal alien?

        • http://?? Joe H.

          JC,
          Those illegals would never harm anyone!! Just ask flushinman!! I would LOVE to see him spend some time on the southern part of Al Seibers property. Unarmed of course!! I mean, if they won’t harm you, why would he need a weapon???

          • Dan Az

            Hey Joe I would luv to see him spend one night in town where I live.

          • JC

            You mean send him out to act as the welcome wagon?
            I don’t think he’s have the stones as he knows very well they would cut his throat for his wallet.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            JC,
            Not his wallet. It’s alway empty!!! Even they know it!!!

      • Paul

        As Ikar states, it is the Declaration of Independence for the USA!!! If they want the rights of a US citizen … great. Let them begin the process of becoming a legal US citizen. Understanding what being a citizen means. Learn to respect this nations origins, not abuse its laws. We are NOT the New World order … if another country wants to live by our declaration … great. We would encourage that. Don’t come here illegally and try to change our nation into yours that is not living up to its potential and “God given rights”.

        • s c

          Paul, that psychotic ‘flush’ is at it yet again. What he’ll NEVER understand is that the Declaration of Independence (Bill of Rights, US Constitution, etc.) apply to AMERICAN citizens. If you’re a citizen of Cuba, Syria, North Korea, Iran, Venezuela or Mexico, you are NOT entitled to be seen as an AMERICAN citizen OR protected via AMERICAN law(s).
          One can only hope that ‘Flush’ has made serious investments in the company that makes Prozac. That way, he will get PAID for taking that damned drug for the rest of his miserable, freedom-hating, America-hating life.

          • HFlashman

            Hmmm…for folks that INSIST on a strict construction of the Dec. of Indpendence, the US Constitution etc..y’all seem to be pretty selective in hat should be strictly interpreted and or constructed. So everyone is clear…you guys are saying it should now read

            “that all men (including women), and only if they are white, born in the 13 Colonies or naturalized, and have proof of identity of citizenship at all times and only in the states and not where the powers of the United States reach and thus the rest of the world is not seen as equal to an American citizen in the eyes of their Creator… are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

            Hokayyyy…nice. So be sure to let everyone know just what parts of the DofI and the Constitution are to be strictly construed and what parts may be adjusted according to the current whims of whomever decides is correct…

          • Vigilant

            Flush using the Declaration of Independence to justify illegal immigration?

            That’s a new low in setting the bar for leftist intelligence!

          • Mark

            I am sure “flush” stays hidden behind doors in the dark. Talks big crap that we simply flush. Scum and rotten garbage like that need only cross my crosshairs one time, then the world is free of another poop eating brush dweller.

          • http://naver sook young

            Thank you HFlashman for saying the rights given to all Americans and not to the whole world. Though sometimes Obama acts like he’s the president of the world. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

      • Craig

        The DOI is nothing more that a buggar off letter to King George. It carries not weight other than that. Flashboy must have fallen a sleep in civics.

    • HFlashman

      BTW…when you state that undocumented workers ‘freeload’ off our tax dollars…are you suggesting employers don’t pay taxes or SS etc on the wages they pay out? Who’s the criminal in that situation? Why aren’t YOU demanding those employers be sent to jail ?

      • lkar

        Here we go. blame game.

      • Teresa

        what part of ILLEGAL did you not understand? If they are here to persue Liberty and Happiness then they will go thru the proper channels to become LEGAL, they will have the proper paperwork with them and they will have nothing to worry about! There is crooked in all types, the gov. the corp. and the society of this nation but it is US, THE PEOPLE of the United States who the Constitution was written for, thus if you want to become a US citizen then go thru the proper channels!

        • marvin

          Teresa
          liberals like flashless and nepotanio and holder and obama try the it,s illegal to be undocumented but not criminal,they are ether stuped or think we are,illegal undocumented and criminal are the same thing

          • Teresa

            Amen, but when it’s their house, or their kids, or their job in jeopardy, it the LEGAL Americans with legal gun rights that are called to action, if they support illegals and terrorist coming into our borders so diligently then why not move near the border and help out with them, then they will see exactly what the illegals crossing think of them!

          • HFlashman

            Ahhh…so the employers who evade taxes, screw Americans by hiring lower wage undcumented workers, avoid fair labor laws and take illiegal advanatage over those businesses who abide by the law…they’re Ok and should not be targeted. It’s the poor slobs looking for a job that should be punished.

            Yep….anyone would say that’s fair and even. Sure…

          • Vigilant

            Flush, how many times have you tried to use that shopworn argument? No one on this site (for the umpteenth time) advocates impunity for employers who hire illegal aliens.

            Put in your application. There’s a village somewhere in search of an idiot.

          • JC

            Vigilant, I can think of one village in Kenya that’s missing its idiot. :)

          • Vigilant

            Good idea, JC,

            Think we could encourage them to accept back the original idiot plus one? Make that two…sunny’s in the running too.

          • Teresa

            Flash, just to let you know I have faxed my congressmen regarding the hiring of illegals. As far as friends who I know personally that have them work for them I have none. I live in a small town and no, I am fortunate enough not to know anyone who would do that everyone here will work the jobs you say that only the illegals are willing to work. I was raised on a dairy farm and I shoveled sh1t, milked cows, bailed hay, picked the fields and I did it just to provide a roof over our heads and pay the bills! There are people that will work it flash, it is not only mexicans crossing our borders it is terrorist and in your thinking you say they have the same constitutional rights as we do…your wrong, they do NOT, unless you are a US citizen you are an illegal to this country this is why the American people are so outraged.

          • Conservatives United

            Flash in the Pan would make a wonderful addition to White House Illegals regime. Since he needs to fill some spots, do to all the Rats jumping of the sinking ship, Flash would do real well, since this guy can spin Bulls%$t into diamonds, better than anyone except HAHA Reid. Maybe HAHA to teach him some new tricks. OH I forgot HAHA will not be there after Nov 2.

          • http://naver sook young

            HFlashman I do agree that businesses that hire undocumented “illegal” aliens should be brought to justice, according to our laws. But, I’m affraid that you’re missing the point here. The issue is about illegals being here and not who hires them. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

        • Teresa

          Flash your such an idiot, the reason these businesses get away with it is because there IS such an illegal problem to begin with! Nobody says these companies should get away with this! You can try your best to justify this in your own words any way you see fit but the point is the businesses will always hire for lesser wages if they can get away with it because the government is not enforcing the laws in which they are suppose to be upholding in the first place! You try to justify your point of view as to we are the extreme and we are the racist, we are merely trying to secure OUR borders and uphold OUR constitutional rights!

          • HFlashman

            Teresa…a question…when you see a business (or a friend who has a housekeeper or yard service)…which employs undocumented workers…just how many times have you boycotted that business of told off your friend for aiding and abettig what you see as criminal acts?

            When have you told a canddiate for office they should hammer down on employers who employ undocumented workers? When have you turned in a business to the IRS for undocumented workers?

            Just out of curiousity…

          • Claire

            Hflashman–It appears to me that none of the administrations, past and current have REALLY gone after the businesses and people that employ undocumented workers. Sure, maybe some get “fined” but they go right back to hiring them again. And when these businesses go back to hiring illegals again, then close them down. Same with individual people that hire illegals-stick them with a fine so costly that they would have to borrow the money to pay it. Enough is enough. Believe it when I say that I would be a whistleblower. I would raise some hell about it. What is fair is fair, no in-between, no pussyfooting around. What is wrong is wrong. I work in an office that does not hire illegals. Thank God. I am not being hard-hearted I am telling it like it is. I have compassion for people, but only when they do things the legal and correct way.

      • Jennifer

        Why don’t you watch the video clip on Obama’s aunt Zeituni, it kind of explains it in simple terms.

        • JoMama

          Jennifer -
          I have read an article (on FAIR’s website) that auntie Zsaid that “the USA was obligated to give her citizenship.” Mind you that was AFTER ICE DENIED her request for asylum & she was ordered deported. She also said that her nephew (Obama) had nothing to do with her getting asylum.
          Yeah, okay.
          I think the both of them have something in common – lying.
          It just comes naturally for most of those illegal aliens.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        hey flusherman,
        How about the ones, and there are MANY that are on welfare??? Don’t think so? check out the welfare reports on California!!!

      • Dan Az

        Flashback
        If you didnt notice that is what we have been saying but you libs are fighting that one too.Fines and jail time is whats needed to stop the hiring of illegals,if there is no jobs for them then they wouldnt stay.

      • JoMama

        We DO demand that they go to jail, you ass!!!

        SCREW YOU, HFlashman!!!

  • Claire

    The word “illegal” is exactly that. I draw the line when they come into America packing their drugs and God knows what else. We are overpopulated with them, and this is not fair to the American taxpayer that has to fork over their hard-earned money for their keep. I still say, get them out of here. America has enough problems. America cannot take on the whole world. Past administrations didn’t do a thing to control this problem and neither is the current administration. America can no longer be a “haven” for some of the riff-raff that is pouring into this country regardless of country origin. Terrorists are already here. Think about it. Ask your elected officials and the ones that want to be elected/re-elected what they will do about the illegals? I wonder what kind of answer you will get. More hedging around? The Democrats and Republicans do not want these questions. If people think I am racist, then so be it. I really do not give a damn, enough is enough.

  • CowboyHerb

    Check out the “10 Most Wanted” criminals for any state and see what you find. The majority have one thing in common, they fit a certain, how can we say it? Profile? Wake up, Americans, before you are the minority in your own country–then see how much EQUALITY is given to YOU!!

  • CowboyHerb

    Mexico has very stringent illegal and legal immigration laws. In fact their laws against illegals is very harsh. They sure as heck do not want their exported citizens to be replaced by illegals from the south. Of course those from the south have no intent to stop in Mexico any longer than absolutely necessary because that increases the odds that they will end up in one of Mexicos and Obamas mass graves. The post forgot to mention that the Obama administration is funding the sealing of the Guadamala/Mexican border to the tune of over a Billion dollars.
    I don’t know what’s worse… the hypocrites in Mexico, or the stupid Americans that allow them to be such hypocrites. Dubya & Obama should have already been impeached for not keeping their oath to protect & defend their country & its borders & especially in time of war.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      CowboyHerb,
      Yeah, isn’t it funny that a wall or fence won’t work on the US/Mex border but it will work on the Guatamala/Mex border??? How strange!! THEY NEED TO SEAL OUR BORDER!! If that makes me a Racist, so be it!!! By the way, somebody tell Flusherman that Mexican is NOT A RACE!!!

      • Dan Az

        Joe H
        I would but he wont stick a finger in his ear as to stop it from coming out the other side!

        • http://?? Joe H.

          hey, when there’s nothing to stop it!!!!

  • http://yahoo jowolo

    Profiling occurs all the time. If a red-haired freckled faced individual robs a bank they dont look for someone black. Talk to some of the legal immigrants that have assimilated to our great country and they are not pleased with the illegal situation.

    • lkar

      The problem jowolo if you are a red-haired freckled face individual. That will be plastered all over the news. If you are hispanic or black, the news media rarely mentions physical appearance beyond clothing, height, and maybe hair color. But if it is a white criminal, the news makes sure everyone knows that the criminal that is being sought is white! Police are so afraid of PC crap that they cannot give good descriptions of perps to the media.

  • CowboyHerb

    I live in Arizona and after november thier will be a lot of new jobs hear i hope for the imigration squad. and thay can ship obama back with them hay, he can run for office in guadamala and help turn that country into a muslin country. Oh yea he can also take the ACLU NOW? progressives? and oh yea the NAACP? SEIU? then this country well be better off and more jobs for the people that want to really work rather than sit on their a$$ and take from the ones that do work.

  • CowboyHerb

    The death and blood of American from the drug dealer from mexico should be on the hands of Obama, Pelosi, Reid and Representatives and Senators who oppose enforcing immigration laws. Murdering unarmed U.S. citizens right on the boarder isn’t this akin to an act of war? Where do we draw the line. It is obvious that we must start protecting ourselves. Get armed, get trained and get ready. For the ones that Voted for Obama? Are you embarased yet?

    • Claire

      CowboyHerb: I believe the death and blood of Americans from the drug dealers from Mexico is “on the hands” of the current administration and the PAST administrations. None of them did anything about the situation. They are all guilty of ignoring the problem. This didn’t just happen–it has been going on for years and now there are so many illegals that it has caused a nightmare of events. As I have said before, there is always a day of reckoning.

    • Mema Betty

      In Orlando, Florida it is really getting racist with the Hispanic Police. My husband was on Hwy 436, middle lane, when a hispanic lady pulled from a side street without stopping at the stop sign into the middle lane and side swiped his van three times before getting her to pull over. He called the police. The policelady was Hispanic. She did not get out of her car. She called the hispanic lady over to the driver’s door, the police lady put her window down and they proceeded to speak in spanish for awhile. Police lady called my husband over, so her proceeded to go to the driver’s window to speak to her and she yelled at him, he was not allowed to speak to her at her window, to go to the passenger window. She spoke to him for a minute. She said she would present the situation to her supervisor and get back to them with the outcome of who was at fault. After about 5 days my husband had not heard anything, so he called and asked for the police lady and they said she could not speak with him so they transferred him over to the supervisor. The Mr. Supervisor said the police lady was suppose to call him 4 days ago that the ticket had been given to the hispanic lady. My husband said let me guess why she did not call, hispanic lady, hispanic police lady, give the HONKY the ticket. She could not bring herself to call my husband to let him know that he had been exonerated. Why would any police person, who is suppose to be neutral, have a problem giving anyone a ticket if they are guilty no matter what race, color or creed. A moron could have figured that out. Racism had gotten worse since OBAMA took office. Unfortunately it has swung the other way. There are more black racist than white. God help us all.

  • Carlucci

    sunny reminds me of the zombie in that YouTube video “Interview with a Zombie”.

  • TTX

    On Jury Duty last week, Maricopa County, Superior Court, in Phoenix a case involving 3 defendants for kid napping, extortion, assault and more – we were asked if it would make any difference if it came up that they were in this country illegally? Yes, it will – the constitution says no matter what if u r in the US u have the same rights. Sorry, u come here illegally, get busted there will b a bias. U cost AZ 2 billion a year, that is or budget shortfall, we r biased, tired of hearing about the better life u want, while u take ours down.

    • lkar

      TTX, I am not sure if I understood you correctly. But the Costitution is “of the Unites States”. It should be clear to everyone that the legal citizens are subject to its rights and protections. We as a compassionate people have bestowed these same rights and protections upon “all people” that cross our borders. I do not believe “the constitution says no matter what if u r in the US u have the same rights”. This leads many to that murky land of liberalism that wants to “bestow” every one in the world with “Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness”. But ask yourself, who pays for it? Illegal aliens should be immediately deported. Let them seek due process in their own country.

  • CowboyHerb

    We want our country back!! We don’t want to be mexicans. That’s their problem. We have enough problems trying to be Americans right now. Kick the criminals out of our country now! Secure Americans or we’re going to start secruing ourselves.. Secrue the border. Move the Mosque ..that’s all we want. Lets take the road back to being proud Americans..All others can kiss our…

  • Ben

    If first comment, American, is a racist, then so am I, which I am NOT. Sunny, you need to open you eyes. You libs are the ruination of this wonderful Country. When you get around to inviting the illigals to your home, like JC suggested, they will take your job away from you, evict you from your home which was once yours, use up you SSN, for there will be none left over for you, etc.etc.etc.

  • marvin

    here is a novel idea let flash and sonny pay the medical bill for the 500,000 babies born in texas alone last year not counting the other 49 states,at say $10,000 per child just to be born wonder how long they would be liberal and shout it is profiling,if it came out of their pocket my pockets are emty,i have to pay my bills and live on what i have,if you sleep with dogs you get fleas,one thing about flashless it everbody fault bush the tax payer the cops the hospitals,but never his or obama or holder or nepolitano,or mary poppins the aclu isu soro abc cbs nbc

  • CowboyHerb

    Obama administration is funding the sealing of the Guadamala/Mexican border to the tune of over a Billion dollars. But he can’t seal our border.

    • HFlashman

      Yo Cowboy…care to share where you got this information? I looked it up and what i found was it’s just another lie about the administration. It’s been disproven several times and several ways. Just another lie …a lie which apparently started with FOX antiNews and built from there by the simpletons who watch that entertainment networ (’cause it sure as heck ain’t news!)

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Hey Flusherman,
        go to the NY times dated 6-18-2006. the mexican government IS building a fence on the guatamala/MEX border and the US is giving them two million a year to build it!!!

        • Dan Az

          Joe Flash cant read try umbomics!

        • JeffH

          Mexican Government Proves to be Supreme Hypocrite
          Written by Raven Clabough
          Wednesday, 22 September 2010

          Raul Diaz of the Mexican Superintendence of Tax Administration confirmed this week that the Mexican government intends to build a wall along the Mexican/Guatemalan border. Diaz claims that the official purpose of the wall is to prevent the passage of contraband, but has also admitted “It could also prevent the free passage of illegal immigrants.”

          The proposal to construct the wall appears to go against the principles held by Mexican President Felipe Calderon, who, when speaking out against the state of Arizona for its tough immigration measure, remarked, “Criminalizing immigration, which is a social economic phenomena, this way opens the door to intolerance, hate, and discrimination. My government cannot and will not remain indifferent when these kinds of policies go against human rights.”

          Apparently, Calderon’s views on border control are relative.

          http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/world-mainmenu-26/north-america-mainmenu-36/4666-mexican-government-proves-to-be-supreme-hypocrite

      • Bill

        Only news station that shows the news in the USA, the rest have been bought off by liberal scum and Invaders! from what I read Flash, I think you are an enemy from with in, or are you one of the Illegal invaders too? Or are you just of a socialist or of world government view and this Great country must be brought down by lies first as our foreign born present illegal resident of the white house is attempting to do.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Answer: ALL OF THE ABOVE!!!!

  • CowboyHerb

    We have nurtured and fed the world. We have outstretched our hands and lent a hand up to all down trodden. The reason the colors of the flag are red (blood), white (purity/nobility), and blue (justice) is because of the Justice given to all MAN that sheds blood nobly for America. American pride is not equated to arrogance. That is a lie just like all the political correctness is. They are lies, intended to destroy America.

  • CowboyHerb

    The job of our military is to defend this country. Time to post armed troops on the border. Sending un-armed troops to Arizona doesn’t solve anything (yeah, they’re unarmed, real scary huh?). The troops need to be armed, able, and ready to defend our country! Enough “Bull s&it”, do your job Obama! This is leading uo to Barack Obama’s 52-page manifesto for a New World Order.

    • marvin

      CowboyHerb
      the 1200 so called troops obama said was for the border,will not be on the border they are only in support,like going to a gun fight with a fly swatter ,or a laptop 50 miles away doing paper work

  • marvin

    mary poppins was a movie that all good thing can happen in the liberal fairy tail can,t we all just get along world,but here in the real world, it,s real people that are hurt by illegal immigration,and tell we the people put are foot down .or in a liberals as- and kick them out of office nothing will change,so for conseritivs vote nov 2nd and for the liberals nov3rd is your day to go vote that way we can all see micky and donald vote and it won,t slow down the liberal hiding from their voting record saying i voted aganist pelosie 10% of the time saying i can hear you now

  • CowboyHerb

    Obama is hardly the first president to plead for America to join a New World Order. It started with the first George Bush and has continued unabated through three more administrations. But Obama’s so called
    “National Security Strategy” has little to do with securing the U.S. from threats and much more to do with turning over the U.S. to the illegitimate authority of global organizations. It starts early in the table of contents: “Promoting a Just and Sustainable International Order.” Woodrow Wilson tried with the League of Nations. Franklin D. Roosevelt tried with the United Nations. I guess we’re going to keep trying this path until we get it right. Nowhere in this document will you see the word “sovereignty” used in regard to the United States – only about Iraq and Russia. (Maybe all of us who want to live in a free and independent nation need to move to one of those locales?) The last seven pages of the document are about this new “international order” Obama wants to build – a pretty ambitious agenda for a guy who has never run any business or served in any executive capacity before assuming the presidency. But don’t worry. His plan is to bring in some people with lots of experience running things – the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank, to name a few.

  • marvin

    i will ask agin CAN WE GET A LAWYER TO START IMPEACHMENT ON NEPOLITANIO AND HOLDER AND even OBAMA FOR FAILING TO ENFORCE THE LAWS AND THE CONSTITUTION i will donate if bob livington will set it up,what you bob ?

    • Teresa

      right now the democrats hold the majority and they are the ones who have to impeach. you have to stay on your congressmen/women and push for the impeachment. http://www.impeachobama.com

      • Dan Az

        Teresa
        The one that has the standing to impeach is pelousy and she is also the one that gave false statement that he is illegable and was born in hawaii so she to has committed treason also.When we take back the majority seat she and him will be tried for treason.

  • CowboyHerb

    Do you get the picture? Do you want to read more? Do you need to read more? Keep in mind, this is Obama’s National Security Strategy. Heaven help us.

  • AmShegar

    THIS COUNTRY IS F*** WITH ALL THE AIRHEADS POLITICIANS, THE GOVERNMENT DOES CARE ABOUT ANYONE,THEY ONLY PROTECT THEIR OWN FAMILIES.

    THIS WHY I DO NOT VOTE

    THIS WHY I DO NOT WASTE MY TIME ON JURY DUTY, THIS COUNTRY AND IT’S JUDICIAL SYSTEMS IS A F****** JOKE.

    THEY DO NOT BELIVED PUNISH PEOPLE FOR ADULTERY OR PEDOPHILIA,AND WHEN MURDER IS COMMITED OF ANOTHER HOMOSAPIEN,THEY LOCK THEM FOR 20 YRS. OR SO,FEED THEM 3 SQUARE MEALS.

    21 DEC 2012

    TIME IS NIGH

    • Gary

      If you won’t cast a vote how do you expect anything to change.
      The only way to get these things changed without violence is to VOTE.
      The Libs out there know this. That is how we wound up in the spot we are in. WE MUST VOTE THE BASTARDS OUT.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      AmShegar,
      That Mayan calandar stuff is BS!!!

  • CowboyHerb

    Obama’s working more for the illegal immigrants than he’s for the American people. That tells me: He wants to destroy this country. Is that his real agenda? I think it’s time start cleaning house in the government in general. The 2nd mexican-american war has begun… FINALLY !!!

  • marvin

    i can see that 1.5 million dollar house in chicago from my house in alabama in 2012, from the white house to the out house in 2012

  • CowboyHerb

    When voting in November 2th, don’t just vote for Republicans. Some of them are “Obamanites in Sheep Clothing”. Find out who’s for what, but make sure there aren’t more democrats than republicans. Some democrats ARE on our side. What’s been …done to AZ wouldn’t have been done if all our States take up the same stance. We need to band together, more now than ever, because the illegals aren’t our only problem. There are more dangers ahead. Be prepared. Look out from all the illegals Muslim’s in this country.

  • CowboyHerb

    I never thought a Marxist racist, with a long history of making radical friends and alliances with almost every group who hates America would become President either.

    • Gary

      Too many have bought into the B.S that the Libs are spewing, especially the youth. They believe all the lies that our sack of crap
      President has told since he first started to campaign. I guess wee can blame much of that on the “public” (government) education.

  • Gene H

    Dear Sunny and Aunt Zeituni,

    While we work you two are just sitting on the wagon. I think you should be ashamed! Maybe you should miss a few meals until you decide ultimately ..That is eventually …….someone has to work, that means you are dishonest!

    Why is it that some of us feel guilt if we take advantage of our neighbor? America has been blessed and has blessed the world because our for fathers had ethics, honesty and morals. Look where we are folks. We cannot give any more, to those who are dishonest with absolutely no ethics! If we want to lose America,,Just keep this up.

    I think I heard Aunt Zuni say something about us being Christians..OOOOOOh is that why we work and are honest?!!!

    • Dan Az

      Gene H
      They didnt say how she was able to pay for a trip here wounder who gave her the money?

  • marvin

    less see obama said don,t vote angre so what he is saying just because your mad cause we did not hear you when you said no to obamacare and cap and tax and amnesty for illegals and could not see you when we made up bills behind closed doors and could not read them tell we passed them to see what was in them,just get that out of your small mind we know what is best to all you black people a vote for a liberal is a vote for a black brother to you hispanic it is the repubs fault we can not give you amnesty and like my aunt free housing free food and free healtcare so you can have more babies and to the young white kids just vote for me cause i am the changer the iatola of do nothing and get paid the father of one world goverment

  • http://Alaska Wild Bill

    THE TREATY of GUADALUPE HIDALGO
    BORDER DEFINITIONS

    ARTICLE V

    The boundary line between the two Republics shall commence in the Gulf of Mexico, three leagues from land, opposite the mouth of the Rio Grande, otherwise called Rio Bravo del Norte, or Opposite the mouth of its deepest branch, if it should have more than one branch emptying directly into the sea; from thence up the middle of that river, following the deepest channel, where it has more than one, to the point where it strikes the southern boundary of New Mexico; thence, westwardly, along the whole southern boundary of New Mexico (which runs north of the town called Paso) to its western termination; thence, northward, along the western line of New Mexico, until it intersects the first branch of the river Gila; (or if it should not intersect any branch of that river, then to the point on the said line nearest to such branch, and thence in a direct line to the same); thence down the middle of the said branch and of the said river, until it empties into the Rio Colorado; thence across the Rio Colorado, following the division line between Upper and Lower California, to the Pacific Ocean.

    The southern and western limits of New Mexico, mentioned in the article, are those laid down in the map entitled “Map of the United Mexican States, as organized and defined by various acts of the Congress of said republic, and constructed according to the best authorities. Revised edition. Published at New York, in 1847, by J. Disturnell,” of which map a copy is added to this treaty, bearing the signatures and seals of the undersigned Plenipotentiaries,. And, in order to preclude all difficulty in tracing upon the ground the limit separating Upper from Lower California, it is agreed that the said limit shall consist of a straight line drawn from the middle of the Rio Gila, where it unites with the Colorado, to a point on the coast of the Pacific Ocean, distant one marine league due south of the southernmost point of the port of San Diego, according to the plan of said port made in the year 1782 by Don Juan Pantoja, second sailing-master of the Spanish fleet, and published at Madrid in the year 1802, in the atlas to the voyage of the schooners Sutil and Mexicana; of which plan a copy is hereunto added, signed and sealed by the respective Plenipotentiaries.

    In order to designate the boundary line with due precision, upon authoritative maps, and to establish upon the ground land-marks which shall show the limits of both republics, as described in the present article, the two Governments shall each appoint a commissioner and a surveyor, who, before the expiration of one year from the date of the exchange of ratifications of this treaty, shall meet at the port of San Diego, and proceed to run and mark the said boundary in its whole course to the mouth of the Rio Bravo del Norte. They shall keep journals and make out plans of their operations; and the result agreed upon by them shall be deemed a part of this treaty, and shall have the same force as if it were inserted therein. The two Governments will amicably agree regarding what may be necessary to these persons, and also as to their respective escorts, should such be necessary.

    The boundary line established by this article shall be religiously respected by each of the two republics, and no change shall ever be made therein, except by the express and free consent of both nations, lawfully given by the General Government of each, in conformity with its own constitution.

    If you are not an American citizen or in our Republic legally,get your butts back on the Southern side of the border,La Raza my American @zz.
    Wild Bill
    Alaska

  • marvin

    like angela merkel of germany said this multculture is not working the immigrents do not want to fit in they want to change us they do not learn are language they do not learn are customs they do not obay are laws ,does this sound like here in the united states,wake up america

  • CowboyHerb

    how many other countries allow as many illegal immigrants to enter as we have? If there are others, who are they? If there are none, why not?

    • Teresa

      Our troops are fighting and dying w/their lives over seas in other countries to secure other borders…why is our administration allowing our borders to be crossed by illegals? (not just mexicans) Sad isn’t it! The same troops btw which most of their votes will not even count!

      • libertytrain

        Teresa – yes, it is ridiculously sad -

        • Claire

          libertytrain–Our troops do not belong in those stupid countries. They have given enough. It is sad, especially when the powers that be cannot protect our own borders. I say get our troops home, and kick the illegals out, all of them. I would do this in a New York minute. They say it can’t be done–look what we did to the Japanese during World War II–we gathered them up and put them in camps. We can still do the same thing. If I were in charge, I would leave no stone unturned. I would find all of them and get rid of them. Sure, this no doubt sounds radical but what else can be done? How else is this growing problem going to be solved? If something is not done, this situation will be with us forever.

          • Claire

            BTW–I wouldn’t put them in camps-they would be sent OUT of America.

          • libertytrain

            Claire – I didn’t understand why W was against doing something about the borders and I don’t understand why the current person in charge will do nothing but of course he would have a bit of difficulty with illegal aliens – given the family history and all. I don’t know the answers either but that’s what the people we pay to do their jobs are supposed to handle and for some reason – they choose not to – I don’t understand.

          • JeffH

            libertytrain, with all due respect, Bush was as much a part of the “globalization” agenda as Obama is. They both could care less about the USA as an independent sovereign nation. Integrating illegal immigrants into the US is just a part of completing that agenda.

          • libertytrain

            Jeff – I agree. I just didn’t know it in that format and I still have a hard time comprehending that this has occurred “while we were sleeping”

          • JeffH

            libertytrain, we obviously were asleep for way to long, me included, but we’re awake now. It’s just amazing what you can miss when you’re not paying attention to the little details.

          • Dan Az

            claire you got my vote!

      • Bob Wire

        Very good argument Teresa.

        and the answer is; for the same reasons all other administrations that have can before have failed to do so.

  • CowboyHerb

    So let me get this straight. A Mexican comes here illegally. He is a bad guy and commits serious crimes. We deport him and that is causing Mexico problems. I guess we are supposed to keep them here so Mexico won’t be mad, so he can commit more crimes. Mexico is a POS country and is a sh^t hole of a place. They also think we should just let any Mexican here illegally stay here with rights and free health care. Mexico, u can go to he11. Back in September, opposition politicians grilled Public Safety Secretary Genaro Garcia Luna about the practice during a congressional hearing, calling it propaganda meant to deflect the public’s concerns over the power of drug gangs. According to …a report President Felipe Calderon gave to Congress this month, just 12 percent of criminal investigations under his administration have ended in convictions. Government figures obtained by The Associated Press earlier this year show that three-quarters of the drug suspects arrested since Calderon took office in late 2006 have been freed.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Cowboy,
      what do you expect? He convicts them he dies!!!! They need to get serious and wipe out ALL of the cartels and it will be problem solved!! For them!!

  • CowboyHerb

    Obama and Harry Reid is committed to passing his agenda of totally open borders for illegal aliens from Mexico and the Muslim world, alike. If we allow him to succeed, we’ll be hit by the Jihadi war from the east and will surely be brought into the narco-war being fought in Mexico, just to our south with pistolero gunfights possible in the middle of Las Vegas.

  • JC

    This particular Judge…this Susan person…is a politically motivated hack. There is no way in this country that border security and national sovereignty should take a back seat to any politically correct / anti American Sovereignty / Kiss the illegal President’s ass agernda. Especially in any “world” court if that were to be the case. America First!

  • JeffH

    Obama and company won’t stray to far from the feed lot, George Soros, when it comes to there support of open immigration and open borders.

    Just look to George Soros and his agenda and voilà, you’ll see his more-than-generous financial support of a society without boundaries has contributed to the current open-borders immigration crisis being experienced by the United States, his adopted homeland.

    The Open Society Institute is the cornerstone for the Soros Foundations Network, a group of Soros-funded organizations in more than 50 countries, which promote open-society concepts by influencing governmental policies.

    The various branches and paid instrumentalities of the network include Democracy Alliance, MoveOn.org, America Coming Together, America Votes, The Center for American Progress, and other leftist front organizations, which advocate open borders for the United States — not for other nations but for the United States. These Soros-funded groups finance his camp followers, among them the Democratic Party, the National Organization of Women, abortion advocacy groups, various environmental groups, and last but not least, the increasingly powerful immigration special interest groups.

    Open-society, open-borders advocates seek to vilify the United States as a war-mongering, empire-building, brutish abuser of the world’s impoverished nations. The United States thus is worthy of internal and external contempt and global defeats as part of the nation’s deconstruction.

    The Soros open-society concept requires that the United States be removed as a superpower and that the American people be subjected to the will and wants of all the world’s people.
    http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2006/7/25/104735.shtml

  • JeffH

    More than half of the FBI Most Wanted List as of June 2008, 34 of 68 individuals wanted by the FBI for violent crimes, including murder, are natives of foreign countries. Twenty-nine of those are Mexican nationals while one each hails from China, Ecuador, Egypt, Pakistan and Uzbekistan.

    Just check these numbers out. FBI Statistics on Crimes Committed by Illegal Aliens
    as of 2006…

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-…/1738432/posts

    INS/FBI Statistical Report on Undocumented Immigrants

    2006 (First Quarter) INS/FBI Statistical Report on Undocumented Immigrants

    CRIME STATISTICS 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.

    83% of warrants for murder in Phoenix are for illegal aliens.

    86% of warrants for murder in Albuquerque are for illegal aliens.

    75% of those on the most wanted list in Los Angeles, Phoenix and Albuquerque are illegal aliens.

    24.9% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally

    40.1% of all inmates in Arizona detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally

    48.2% of all inmates in New Mexico detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally

    29% (630,000) convicted illegal alien felons fill our state and federal prisons at a cost of $1.6 billion annually

    53% plus of all investigated burglaries reported in California, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona and Texas are perpetrated by illegal aliens.

    50% plus of all gang members in Los Angeles are illegal aliens from south of the border.

    71% plus of all apprehended cars stolen in 2005 in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada and California were stolen by Illegal aliens or “transport coyotes”.

    47% of cited/stopped drivers in California have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 47%, 92% are illegal aliens.

    63% of cited/stopped drivers in Arizona have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 63%, 97% are illegal aliens

    66% of cited/stopped drivers in New Mexico have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 66% 98% are illegal aliens.

    BIRTH STATISTICS 380,000 plus “anchor babies” were born in the U.S. in 2005 to illegal alien parents, making 380,000 babies automatically U.S.citizens.

    97.2% of all costs incurred from those births were paid by the American taxpayers.

    66% plus of all births in California are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal whose births were paid for by taxpayers

    • JC

      Careful Jeff…stating all those FACTS will get you tarred and feathered as a Racist by a bunch of hysterical Liberals.
      Good Post.

      • HFlashman

        Do you really want your balloon burst on the “facts” cited by Jeff? C’mon…don’t make it that easy ….if you’re going to look like an idiot, at least put some effort into it.

        • JC

          Wow…this wasn’t one of your more lucid moments was it?
          Poor Flashdance.

        • JeffH

          HFlash, what’s the problem lackey?

          Do you think illegal immigration is a “victimless crime” and we don’t need to control our borders? About 60% of the crimes being committed are by illegal aliens who were previously deported.

          Allowing our borders to be disregarded coupled with little national commitment about doing anything about it has resulted in growing mayhem by illegal alien criminals, not a “victimless crime.”

          http://www.usillegalaliens.com/impacts_of_illegal_immigration_crime_summary.html

        • lkar

          Flash, the numbers do not matter. If they are not very low and historically low, then illegal aliens are a problem that must be dealt with. Let see, we form special units for gang investigation, drug trafficing survellience, and a host of other police programs. But if they tried to form a special illegal aliens crime unit, the liberals would shut down the police force.

        • Vigilant

          C’mon, Flush! Let’s see you refute Jeff’s facts (and you don’t need to put that word in quotes). And to throw your words back at you, “C’mon…don’t make it that easy ….if you’re going to look like an idiot, at least put some effort into it.”

        • http://naver samurai

          Flush the toilet don’t have to put any effort into looking ignorant, its just part of his genetic traits. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Claire

      JeffH– Thank you for posting this information. Hopefully it will open the eyes and minds of people that think the illegals are so innocent. I have been reading these stats that you posted for quite some time. These facts are in some of the manuscripts on terrorism/gangs/drugs/criminal behavior that I edit. The situation is steadily getting worse. I can’t believe some people do not realize this. Where is their common sense? How in the world can they welcome these illegals into America with open arms? Are these people a part of the “master plan” to destroy America and American civilization as we live it?

      • Claire

        BTW–this sounds crude as heck, but I could give a rat’s rump if anyone thinks I am racist. Regarding illegals, dang right I am racist and I am not afraid to say it. It is about time people get a grip and realize these illegals also include terrorists. This situation is out of control. The Liberals better get their heads on straight and acknowledge the fact that the situation regarding all illegals has been and still is a subversive tactic. Is this part of a “master plan” or just a way to get votes? Both? I say both. Look around–the handwriting is on the wall.

        • libertytrain

          Claire – couldn’t agree with you more!

    • http://MSN John AZ

      Amen JeffH! You hit the nail right on the head. I live in Phoenix and in the last 10 years, it’s been an illegal immigrant invasion, period! The house next door is a rental property and the hispanic lady has, get this ten (10)anchor babies and there all female! She does not work and the husband well he doesn’t work either. They throw their diapers over the fence into the alley and the flies and stink is horrible. The kids all go to public school funded by Taxpayers, gets subsidized housing, food stamps and health care. I’m a veteran and I cannot get such benefits. It’s sad and we need to stop the welfare society. Vote the A-holes out of office.

  • Patriot

    Maybe the reason Obama is so sympathetic to the illegal’s, is because he is one? November 2 cannot get here fast enough!

  • http://therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/2009/02/21/the-california-water-v-delta-smelt-war/ Gorba

    If all the Dems & Libs here are so concerned with racial profiling, then why do they support affirmative action so strongly?
    Isn’t that the ultimate racial profiling?

    • JC

      Damned straight it is. It’s a bunch of parasites making a living and producing nothing more than the perpetuation of racial division.
      Without it…they got nothing!

    • Vigilant

      Racial profiling: A discriminatory tactic to prevent the Democrats from getting votes.

      Affirmative action: A discriminatory tactic to help the Democrats to get votes.

    • HFlashman

      Actually it’s not.

      • http://therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/2009/02/21/the-california-water-v-delta-smelt-war/ Gorba

        No, actually it is!

      • Craig

        Actually it is. If you had half a brain you would know that.

  • KGB

    What is it about ILLEGAL that the educated idiots (ACLU and other self serving liberal groups) don’t understand. If someone is in this country illegally then they are not entitled to the protections of the OUR Constitution. We Americans have had such big hearts and caring natures for so long that we have been used and abused, because of your good natures. Well I for one am feed up and I will use my vote, my voice and MY Constitution liberties as a native born to elect representatives that are willing to turn this country around. However, we must watch the people we elect and make sure that they follow through with their promises and if not vote them out the first chance we get. That is every AMERICANS responsiblity and it is a responsibility that we have not (myself inclided) carried out in fear of being labled as someone that is not politically correct. Well from now on Politically Correct be damned.

  • pzano

    I believe that we, (Americans and here legally), should also be concerned that these illegals are finding jobs here. Which indicates that employers here in the U.S., are hiring them illegally. I’m not sure what can be done about this but surely we can think of something.

    • Bob Wire

      Hmm, ~ well we like cheap driveways and roofs. ~ We enjoy low prices at the produce market. We “like” having someone to come in and clean our houses and do our dirty work while paying them very little.

      You know what David Crockett said to Col Travis when he seen the first wave of Mexicans descending on the Alamo? ” Colonel, are we pouring concrete today?”

      Of course this “cheap” is an illusion, as the true cost has been deferred to “other”

      As we find every tax payer in the state has now helped you pay for your “cheap” drive way or roof job”

  • Carlucci

    Hmmmm…..wonder what would happen if the illegals were made to serve in the U.S. armed forces? That would be good discouragement to illegally cross the border. Have an anchor baby here, then you and the spouse (if there is one) must serve in the U.S. armed forces.

    • hundabuxt

      Are you kidding me! Three hots and a cot plus benifits for dependents. Don’t think for a moment we’re not desperate enough to hire illegals to do our killing for us with the promise of citizenship as an incentive.

    • Bob Wire

      In this post 9-11 climate, documented citizenship seems to take on a greater importance to both government and all us Americans. As we find even our President is not immune, while his citizenship was not contested while serving as a US Senator.

      It is a point of contention and I am amused by it all. As we find we depend strongly on the documentation as never before. The very process of documentation of a live birth, Date, time,location. I’m not convinced that up until recent it has been an “Standardized” process.

      It’s my hope this has been reviewed by the world community and adjustment made.

      all this present documentation seems to want to pivot around a “drivers licenses”. ~ If you losses you birth certificate, you are required to produce your drives licenses to access a replacement copy. If you don’t have a VALID drivers licenses, ~ you must produce your mother and you mother must produce hers. ~ Now if you don’t have a live mother or she can’t valid herself ~ where do you go?

      Now to loss you birth certificate is bad, but to loss your drivers license is even worse.

      You can loss your drivers license very easily. ~ As we have decide that “driving” is only a privilege. Any judge, magistrate, Officer of the courts can levee fines and penalties against you and if you chose to not pay them , petition the state and render your drivers license invalid.

      As you are now found in contempt of the courts. So your are now without birth certificate , drivers license and suspect of being an illegal from an unknown planet.

      You are now a contemptible, non-compliant, undocumented illegal because you have refused to cave in to legal extortion from some Kangaroo Court in Backwater Ya Hoo County USA for driving two hundred yards without a seat belt.

      As far as I’m concern, ~ It seems people want to live on “Drama” , if there isn’t any ~ they will create it.

      Sometimes , I feel like I have a 3 pound dog nipping at my heels constantly trying to make me acknowledge their presence. He demanding a response, We are suppose to scream or run and hide or at least kick at him. ~~ It’s all just “Drama” , drama rules our day.

      but it someone else’s drama who wishes to make it “mine”

      Life ! some much fun, so little time.

  • Bob Wire

    I would think such a crowd would find some appreciation that someone is offering oversight and willing challenges any laws that abridge constitutional rights regardless the motives.

    It’s referred to a “due process” and there little need for all the drama and passion.

  • http://gunner689 gunner689

    Illegals are just undocumented Democrats. Eventually the gvt. will find a way to let them vote. To continue to let illegals to pour across our border is national suicide. One only has to look at Europe to see our future here. If we took away the “carrot” of jobs, anchor babies, and social services for illegals they would stop coming. If we inforced the RICCO laws against street gangs we could break that nut. (did you hear where Mexico is complaining because we’re shipping some of their criminals back to them ?) If we cut the welfare roll those lazy Americans would take the jobs formerly filled by illegals, hunger is a powerful motivator to work. A lot of “Ifs” but if we plan on saving America these “Ifs” need to become “Done’s.”

  • Bob Wire

    “Illegals are just undocumented Democrats. ”

    LOL!! well yea ~ I suppose you are right ~

    Now why would they be Republicans after all the “love” the GOP has shown them? Give us one reason why they might wish to be anything else.

    So who’s fault and problem is that?

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      BW: they should want to be what they are; Mexicans, Hatians, Chinese, Somalies, ect. Unless they want to become assimilated, loyal American citizens.
      The fault is the the gvt. of whatever shit-hole they come from but the problem, somehow, is ours.

  • JoMama

    Mexico got THEIR fence at our expence & we got no fence here???

    BARACK OBAMA IS A TRAITOR!!!

  • borderraven

    Article 1 Section 10 of the US Constitution says, [PARAPHRASED]
    “every state in the union, shall, without the Consent of Congress, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, or engage in War, when actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.”

    Article II, section 3, of the US Constitution says, [PARAPHRASED] “The President, shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed.”

    Article 4 Section 4 of the US Constitution says, [PARAPHRASED] “every state in the union, is responsible to every state in the union, for securing our union against invasion.”

    While the federal government may have original jurisdiction to enforce federal immigration laws, and declare war, the federal government does not have exclusive jurisdiction to enforce federal immigration laws. Under laws enacted by Congress, states have concurrent jurisdiction and are requested and encouraged to assist the enforcement of federal immigration laws. US States are encouraged to engage in war, if invaded.
    See: Article 1 Section 10, Clause 3 and Article 4 Section 4.

    287(g)(10)(B) (RE (8USC1357)(g)(10)(B)) is a federal directive informing the state governments that state and local police are requested, encouraged and authorized by Congress to enforce federal immigration laws, under Article 4 Section 4.

    SB1070 is a chain of command directive from state government directing state and local police officers to enforce federal immigration laws per 287(g) (8USC1357(g)).

  • http://reducedspending.blogspot.com Bill Grimes-Wyatt

    I must be a racist. However I must be an equal opportunity racist. My problem is that I disapprove of Irish lawbreakers. But I also approve of German criminals. Jewish and Polish criminals do not fare better in my opinion. As with Chinese or Nigerian criminals. I do not even think too highly of Americans who break the law, but they are entitled to a certain amount of leeway due to their citizenship. I dislike all foreign lawbreakers but I believe that they are entitled to whatever rights that their country choses to grant them. Any child born in this country has the right to live with their parent, in whatever country that the parents belong to. I do not believe that anyone should be force to serve in our military unless they’re citizens. I do believe that any English speaking person of good moral character should be allowed to apply for service in our armed forces and when honorablely discharged be eligible to take the citizenship test. We should not deport all illegals, but imprison and fine their employers.

  • http://reducedspending.blogspot.com Bill Grimes-Wyatt

    Mis typed approved of German lawbreakers. I DISAPPROVE of all lawbreakers.

  • richard

    We all need to have computer chips installed on our persons so that our dear Govm can keep track of all of us. That way, with greater centralized control, we’ll all be much safer and less freer. But I am willing to give up my freedoms for safety. I always trust the govm and authorities to do the right thing. We should all trust our govm 100%. They only have our best interests at heart. All of us should serve 5 years in the military as our dutiful service. Our country right or wrong should be our motto. Doesn’t matter if we make mistakes in foreign policy and kill a few thousand civilians here and there. Its war so what do u expect. Better them dead than us. Pailin for President and then lets nuke Iran and N.Korea and get rid of those problems. Fewer troublesome people. All illegals should be shot on sight, thats my opinion. Keep this country American and White. Yeah, I’m a racist, so what. English rules and Spanish and any other language, get out…! Republicans back in control is what we need. Glen Beck for Vice Pres too…!!!!

  • richard

    China is the biggest threat to our security. And Russia too…… We need to neutralize both of those countries. Star Wars is the way to go. Weaponize space before they do. Its them or us. We still have the Power to kick their butts, what are we waiting for? In one generation, they will have caught up technologically, so we better act now…..!!!! America should Rule the World because we are a Democracy and Democracy is number one….! What is Obama waiting for. Oh, I forgot, Sarah Pailin will do the deed when she become Pres. We need to double our Military Budget and send another 100,000 troops into Afghanistan to root out the Taliban once and for all. If Pakistan fails to cooperate, then attack them also or better still nuke them. We have the Power..We should use it. Might Makes Right…thats the Real World and always has been………Roman Empire, Persian Empire, Huns, Mongols, Turks, British Empire…they made the rules and everyone followed. War is natural for the Human Race and always will be.

  • richard

    Reduce the world’s population to 1 billion and we won’t have to worry about climate change and environmental stufff. In the past, wars and disease took care of that but now……….. Let the strong survive and the weak die..why save everybody…..????

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