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Arizona House Passes Two Bills Aimed At Abortion Providers

March 3, 2011 by  

Arizona House passes two bills aimed at abortion providersArizona's House of Representatives approved two bills on Feb. 28 that target the State's largest abortion provider, Planned Parenthood.

According to The Associated Press, lawmakers overwhelmingly voted in favor of two pieces of legislation. One would require clinics that provide only medication-induced abortions — as opposed to surgical procedures — to follow State requirements, which include offering patients ultrasound images of their fetuses before an abortion, as well as an opportunity to listen to the child's heartbeat if one is audible.

"They can have the opportunity to see the humanity of that unborn child," Representative Peggy Judd (R-Willcox) said, quoted by the media outlet.

The other bill would eliminate the income tax credit that individuals receive for making donations to Planned Parenthood. Both bills, which passed by identical 40-18 votes, now move on to the Arizona Senate.

The United States House of Representatives is considering a Republican-backed bill called the No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act, which would prohibit the funding of these procedures through Medicaid and prevent employees from deducting insurance plans that cover abortions. 

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  • s c

    Go, Arizona! Planned Parenthood is quite a piece of work. You have to admit that ethnic-based eugenics doesn’t sound quite as ‘innocent’ as “Planned Parenthood.”
    However, P P has a lot in common with the ACLU, Van Jones, the current administration and Hitler and his Nazis. It must be rough on the nerves pretending to have redeeming qualities when the name of the game is murdering babies.
    Back during Vietnam, one of the catch phrases was “baby killers.” As I recall, that was enough to get people marching in the streets, politicians would hit the road and stump for those who needed support, and America’s conscience had a handy salve. Hypocrisy is always the same, no matter how you spell it or how bad it smells.
    A devious SOB is still a devious SOB. Scum is scum, and some people just can’t see what’s in front of them. If P P is so ethical and “innocent,” then let the worthless SOBs do what they do WITHOUT money changing hands. Otherwise, that group of predators gets paid to murder babies on a wholesale basis. And, ETHNIC babies are at the top of that infernal list, people.
    Go, Arizona. When you’re dealing with useful idiots, worthless SOBs and posers, call them what they are. In a way, it’s surprising that P P hasn’t garnered world praise for conducting infanticide. What a world we live in. Hitler would be SO PROUD. Crime does pay. Just ask the closet Nazis at P P (and Congress and the White House).

    • karolyn

      Planned Parenthood does not just do abortions. They provide contraception, education, counseling, low-cost gynecological exams, etc. Despite being targeted for so many years, it has carried on. I say “Thank God for Planned Parenthood.” They helped me when I needed it.

      Sure, force women to have to see ultrasounds and make it more difficult for them to deal with their situation. It’s hard enough as it is for them. Not all women who have abortions are miscreants. Don’t force your values and feelings on others.

      • http://naver samurai

        Why should taxpayers nationwide have $360 million dollars given to them, by our government, to perform such actions? I hope the No Taxpayer for Abortion Act is passed. Indiana has some of the same things as Arizona and I just want to say hhhhhooooorrrrraaaaahhhhh for Arizona! 하나님 하고 나라를 위해서! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • barbm

          texas, now led by a large republican majority, is about to pass the same thing. if it only saves 1 child, it’s a blessing. there were 80,000 abortions performed in texas last year!!

          • http://naver samurai

            HHHHHooooorrrrraaaaahhhhh for the great state of Texas! We really need to stop this unconventional war again the unborn. Keep up the good fight, fellow patriot! 하나님 하고 나라를 위해서! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Christin

            barbm,
            I did not know Texas was pushing for the same legislation… that’s GREAT!

            Simply put: NO TAX-PAYER FUNDED ABORTIONS !!!

            If you want one pay for it YOURSELF!

            The rest of the nation should NOT responsible for YOUR choices.

            Lesson: TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF and when you can help someone else…
            BUT We The People should NOT be forced through HIGHER TAXES.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Samurai,
            I agree 100%! Why should I have to pay to support something that is 100% against my moral compass?? I don’t believe in them except in the case of incest, rape, or the true case of life or death for a mother!! No abortions on DEMAND! If you dance, you have to pay the piper!!!

          • http://naver samurai

            Thanks Joe H. Keep up the good fight, fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • AMJ

        Typically, people who want an abortion want it because being pregnant, and having a child, is inconvenient to their lifestyle. Having sex wasn’t inconvenient for them, but they failed to check their current behavior to think about what consequence this action may have for their future. I want it now, but I don’t want to pay for it later, is a commom symptom of our disfunctional society. Many children grow up in single family homes because the parents of said children just won’t make lifestyle changes to give them both a mother and a father, but at least those children get a chance at life. Planned Parenthood is an institution that promotes the death of the most innocent people in our society. They promote society at it’s worst. They could advocate for adoption. There are so many people in the world who would care for and give these children killers to accept. Just 9 months would save a life, but the only life they’re concerned about is their own, and how inconvenient it is to be pregnant. All the good things Planned Parenthood does can be done by Mothers & Fathers, Aunts & Uncles. The family is the best place to get the kind of loving support these people need. Force women to actually see that a person is alive envitro, yes, then maybe 9 months could save a life.

        • AMJ

          OOPS, something happened to prior blog.

          Adoptive parents can give loving homes to these children.

        • karolyn

          Typically, people who want an abortion want it because being pregnant, and having a child, is inconvenient to their lifestyle. Having sex wasn’t inconvenient for them, but they failed to check their current behavior to think about what consequence this action may have for their future.” You know this how? Are you aware of all of the children waiting to be adopted? Why don’t you adopt one?

          • Average Joe

            I was adopted…I sure am glad that my birth mother was more intelligent than you appear to be…..I have a life…thanks to her and my loving adoptive parents.
            As Baretta used to say…”Don’t do the crime…if you can’t do the time.” In other words, take responsibilty for your actions and live with the consequences of those actions should they go awry.Do not expect anyone else to pay for your mistakes or condone your behavior.
            Your mistake…your problem…period!

          • http://naver samurai

            Right on, Average Joe. Sook Young and I would be willing to adopt a child, no matter the race or who the mother was. A child’s life is a very precious thing and we should protect that right to life. Not doing what these lib morons want to do and throw away the child, because it takes away their free time or partying. Karolyn, do you have children? If so, then how the h*** can you sit there and make excuses for immature women, when you yourself had kids? When your children were born, did you at their faces and think “Why didn’t I have an abortion?” FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Karolyn

            Samurai – I have no kids, by choice.

          • http://naver samurai

            Then you really don’t have a basis or experience to be posting on this subject, then do you? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Karolyn,
            I’m 60 years old and I would adopt a kid tomorrow if they would let me. I love kids, all of them! I traveled with my daughters school band, had her friends over to our house almost every day. the kids liked us and the parents trusted us! I took my own money and traveled as a chaperone with the marching band to Disney World for a week. I spent a week at band camp. Year before last, after my daughter had been out of school for two years, I had a bunch of the kids request of their band director to let me spend the week with them at camp again. would have gone, but the school couldn’t let a non-parent go with them!! I’ve got two kids that are not part of my family living with us right now, they are going to community college and need a hand that their parents can’t or won’t give them so we do! Please don’t attempt to lecture me when you have never had kids and you have no experience with them!!!

          • libertytrain

            I know I’ll get slapped for this and have at it. However, in my 58 years I have yet to meet a single woman or a married woman with no children that has ANY comprehension of what it feels to be a parent. You may think you do, but you aren’t even remotely close to knowing what it is. I’m only speaking of women – because I am one -

      • Robin from Arcadia, IN

        Karolyn… American taxpayers shouldn’t be forced to pay for loose values and morals of those who knew what they were doing but weren’t smart enough or adult enough not to let a pregnancy happen. And before you throw a fit and bring up rapes and health related issues to pregnancy, those are quite different situations from the group that goes by the mantra ‘ if it feels good do it’. Responsibility and actions go hand in hand. And, I agree with SC. Viet Nam veterans were called baby killers by the liberals who were against war. Planned Parenthood murders babies by performing abortions. Yes, let the ‘mothers’, I use this term tongue in cheek, since I know of no mother who would kill her baby, should hear the heart beat and see the ultrasound. Tax payers monies should not be used to assist a ‘mother’ to kill her baby.

        • Shagnassy

          I was raped at the age of 18 which turned into a pregnancy. I was ignorant about the symptoms of pregnancy, but when I did get to a doctor and found out that I was pregnant he mentioned abortion and even at that young age I knew it was wrong and told him so. My child was adopted by a couple that werent’ able to have children and had been trying for years to find a child that “matched” them. It still nearly caused me to lose my mind simply from the fact that that was my child that had grown inside of me. I NEVER advocate abortion-not when there are people out there that aren’t able to have children and have been trying to adopt for so long. I guess some women just don’t have a heart or they would realize how wrong it is to murder their unborn baby. THERE ARE ALTERNATIVES! By the way, it wasn’t because I didn’t want to keep my child, or because it would have been inconvenient to have kept her, it was because of who her father was-my sisters husband. I didn’t want that child to suffer for that and she would have.

          • libertytrain

            You were a very brave and very fine Mother to your little girl. I’m sure it still must hurt.

          • Robin from Arcadia, IN

            Shagnassy… Thank you for your post. I can’t imagine what you have been through, but my daughter as an 8 year old was sexually molested by her cousin, who was a teenager. She wasn’t raped, thank God, but the whole experience was beyond anything I have ever dealt with in my life. Thank you for knowing right from wrong and being brave enough to tell it.

          • barbm

            thank you for being a REAL mother. it takes guts to do the right thing.

          • karolyn

            Of course, I am sure there are a lot of families out there wanting to adopt pretty white babies. What about all the others? What about all the unwanted babies around the world?

          • libertytrain

            I’ve known, met, chatted with many many women that have or were in the process of adopting black, white, mixed, disabled, etc. children. Just last week I was talking to a lovely lady who is happily, now 10th on the list for a baby/toddler coming from Ethiopia – her husband is an Army Captain. . Then there are the amazing DeBolts who have been adopting children with needs for decades and still work for these special children. There are people out there. Probably far more than you can even imagine. http://www.debolts.com/

          • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

            Shagnassy:

            You are one of the strongest people I have ever run across. What you did took more strength, and guts, to do than any 10 people. Actions always speak louder than words.

            It does not take a lot of moral character to have someone murder your child under the guise of abortion.

            Did you, or have you, looked into how your daughter turned out?

          • Mr. S

            There is no need to apologize for giving that child up, the actions you took were more then enough to be blessed by GOD . Feel good about your self, you saved a life. Just wonderful.

          • karolyn

            Liberty – There aren’t enough adoptice homes in the US for American kids, and everyone thinks it’s so great that so many adopt children from other countries.

          • libertytrain

            You are correct, there are too many kids everywhere – and worldwide that could use a home. And they all deserve one. I’m grateful to those who do selflessly take in kids no matter where they “originated.” Some have told me as well, that the difficulty here in the process had proved even more difficult that foreign adoptions. Which is why they went “foreign.”

          • http://naver samurai

            A good example and a good human being. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Shagnassy,
            May God bless you with many years of comfort and happiness!! You are truly deserving!!

      • Mick

        karolyn says:
        March 3, 2011 at 7:18 am
        Planned Parenthood does not just do abortions. They provide contraception, education, counseling, low-cost gynecological exams, etc. Despite being targeted for so many years, it has carried on. I say “Thank God for Planned Parenthood.” They helped me when I needed it.

        Sure, force women to have to see ultrasounds and make it more difficult for them to deal with their situation. It’s hard enough as it is for them. Not all women who have abortions are miscreants. Don’t force your values and feelings on others.
        *************************************
        karolyn,,,,,,
        Whatever happened to “you play , you pay ”
        As for all of the services you’ve mentioned, ( They provide contraception, education, counseling, low-cost gynecological exams, )What are these provisions good for if tax payers still have to foot the bill for the Abortions, with all of this counseling and contraception females shouldn’t get pregnant..Waste of money pure and simple not counting neglect of moral values when taking advantage of someone else money to correct your misdeeds.

        • eddie47d

          No Federal tax dollars go for abortions at Planned Parenthood yet you all preach that it does. Less than 3% of all services at Planned Parenthood goes towards abortions. Which means you are denying hundreds and thousands of women the services to family planning, women’s health,and birth control services.As Arizona “closes down” these clinics a greater burden will be put on Medicaid and local clinics to cover these needs. Little changes except hardships for low income women and a pat on the back for yourself.

          • smithington

            You are delusional. (offensive words removed)

          • http://naver samurai

            Sorry edduh, wrong again! If Obama bin Laden gets his way, $360 million dollars would be given to planned parenthood this year, so where do you get “no tax dollars?” FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • GregS

            eddie47d says:

            Less than 3% of all services at Planned Parenthood goes towards abortions.

            That’s a bogus figure touted by Planned Parenthood to shift attention away from the following facts:

            - They are the largest abortion provider in the galaxy.

            - They just recently had some shady activities reported by a pro-life organization, which covertly filmed some of their affiliates.

            - They have just mandated that all of their regional affiliates must provide abortions by the end of 2013.

            - They are currently pushing chemical abortions “administered” via webcam as a way of making sure any commendable declines in number of abortions are reversed.

            - They are currently in the process of building mega-abortion clinics the size of palaces throughout the country.

            - A former director of one of their clinics recently came over to the pro-life side, knowing all their ugly secrets.”

            The fact is that roughly one third of Planned Parenthood’s clinic-level income comes from abortions.

          • eddie47d

            Samurai and Greg: Still no tax dollars are used for abortions and it’s still 3%.

          • http://naver samurai

            Then why did the House pass legislation to defund it? There is also the No Taxpayer for Abortion Act currently in legislation. If no money is going to this killing machine, then why would our government be taking these steps to prevent it? Get your facts straight before you post moron. 하나님 하고 나라를 위해서! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • GregS

            eddie47d says:

            “Still no tax dollars are used for abortions…”

            Wrong! In addition to what Samurai has just said, the ObamaCare bill is riddled with language that mandates federal funding for abortions. Since Planned Parenthood is the largest provider of abortions, they will receive a significant amount of that funding.

            eddie47d says:

            “…and it’s still 3%.”

            Wrong again! As I said earlier, that 3% figure is bogus, and here’s why:

            The abortion “service” is quite often bundled with a number of those other “services.” The abortion patient often receives and pays for a number of “services” that are connected to the abortion, such as the pregnancy test and the counseling that leads to the abortion, Rh testing, ultrasound, STD testing, the HPV vaccine, a take-home pack of contraceptives, etc.). These other “services” are each counted separately, even though they are connected to the abortion. Thus, abortion and abortion-related “services” account for a much bigger piece of the pie than just 3%, probably closer to 15-20%.

      • Larry Owens

        ok we will not force our values or feelings on women that kill babies.

        but for every action there is a reaction: I am sure you do not believe in GOD or what he says about abortion do you?

        You will have to give an account of why killing babies is OK and the provider that does the actual killing will have their blood on his hands as they try to explain before GOD.

        • meteorlady

          As an American citizen I firmly believe in freedom and the right of choice. As a person that believes in God, I am firmly against abortion. BUT I still respect that other people have differing views, moral values and are not religious. It is their personal choice and right and it is not my right to stand in their way because I “BELIEVE” differently than they do. They ultimately have to live with themselves.

          • barbm

            what about the rights and freedoms for the baby? even if you think it’s okay, we should NOT have to pay for it. just another form of welfare and entitlement. i haven’t finished reading the posts, but i don’t see old karolyn defending or explaining herself yet.

          • ValDM

            You claim to be a believer and still defend someone’s RIGHT to abortion???? “If you don’t do what you know is right, you have sinned.” James 4:17. What is right about you sitting by and watching this happen in your midst?

          • libertytrain

            Meteorlady, I understand exactly what you wrote. I have no problem with what you wrote.

          • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

            Meteorlady:

            I would agree with you, but then we would both be wrong.

          • http://naver samurai

            You mean the doctrine of free will and freedom of choice? Do you believe in God and serve him yes or no. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • meteorlady

            The question is not about me – it’s about others that DO NOT BELIEVE AS I DO. THAT’S called Freedom. It’s really none of any of your business how or what I believe, or how I practice my faith. That’s also called freedom. When you push you beliefs on others against their wishes, you become dictators, not logical, respectful people.

        • karolyn

          I believe in a different concept of God and i believe in reincarntion. When a spirit is released from this physical plane, it is freed to return or not, as it wishes. Two people create a physial container; they do not create the spirit that inhabits it.

          • Robin from Arcadia, IN

            karolyn.. Knowing you believe in reincarnation explains a lot of things. And the spirit you talk about in the human container is put there by God.

          • karolyn

            I believe we are extensions of God and put ourselves where we want to be.

          • smithington

            Keep telling yourself that you (offensive words removed)

          • Karolyn

            Wow! Smithington, you are so very Christian! :-)

          • http://naver samurai

            Sorry, but I thought that the Hinus believed in reincarnation. We Christians believe in resurrection, like Jesus did from the dead. When we die, we go to heaven or burn in hades and there’s no other choice. 하나님 하고 나라를 위해서! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • http://msn Kerri

        If you want an abortion don’t make me or mine pay for it. If killing your unborn child is something you can live with then fine. But seems to me with all the birth control and protection there should not be millions of abortions every year. And the is also the fact that you can alway keep your damn legs closed.

        • s c

          Kerri, I wouldn’t put much stock in what L says. Obummer has surrounded himself with wannabe ‘world teachers’ and all manner of sociopaths who are in dire need of intense psychiatric care. One of his false geniuses (Sunstein, I think) has stated that it would be a good idea to perform “abortions” on ‘certain’ children who survived the birthing process. As I recall, he said that the murder (abortion) of children up to the age of 8 would be good.
          Kinda puts Obummer and his czars in a new light, doesn’t it? It reeks of the same ‘compassion’ as Hitler and his eugenics schemes (borrowed from M Sanger).

          • eddie47d

            SC That is a rather hefty charge you are putting out there about someone wanting children up to age 8 murdered or aborted. Unless you can prove that you are playing with fire.

          • http://naver samurai

            Edduh, look at this.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtNEeflbhHg
            http://www.youtubecom/watch?v1G1hPq1ARc4

            This may interset your wacked out lib views. You can also look at this site to confirm what I’m saying:

            http://www.shockawenownet

            I purposely didn’t put the “.” before net, so my posting wouldn’t face moderation. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

          Something that I never see discussed during taxpayer funded abortion discussions is mandatory sterilasation of women who murder their babies at taxpayer expense.

          We should also use mandatory sterilazation of welfare recipients who have more than one illegitament baby. With DNA technology we can also now do the same to the fathers.

          If they want to continue spitting out babies they can do so on their own dime, or be sterilized.

          • karolyn

            Isn’t that too much control for you conservatives. Sounds like Nazism to me! Certainly not freedom or democracy.

          • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

            So Karolyn, you think taxpayers footing the bill for irresponsible people having baby after baby and wxpecting someone else to pay for it is democracy?

            I give them a choice of getting fixed, or supporting their own progeny. Nazis would offer no choice. As a matter of fact from what I learned about Nazis they would more than likely, shall we say, eliminate them all together.

            LBJ’s “Really Great Society” has been the bane of America and been instrumental in destroying our morales.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Old Henry,
            Well it could be like the Chinese! One couple, one child!!! If you have one more than one…Sterilization!! I don’t agree with that, but I don’t agree with supporting a woman that has seven or eight kids just for the fact that she can’t keep her legs closed!!

      • louie

        Karolyn, if you don’t want your baby, then use protection when you perform/enjoy sexual intercourse…simple as that. How would you like to be aborted now?

      • Judith R. Hannan

        I agree with Mary Kay…..Murder the child you have conceived (thoughtlessly) but, I won’t support you or this act, nor should I have to pay for it. Like the ad for Nike…”Just say no……..” but, in your case, “Just keep your legs closed”!!!

        • karolyn

          In an ideal world, everybody would be responsible and nobody would have unwanted children. Well, we don’t live in an ideal world. This country is overpopulated as it is. So you just want to force women to have unwanted children and overload the system in another way. You’re gonna pay for it somehow. Oh, of course, we could just sterilize anyone after a certain amount of births. Now, I’m sure you won’t support that either. Too much government control. How about providing implanted birth control to everyone over a certain age? Beter yet, let’s do lobotomies on those people who don’t live up to your standards.

          • Average Joe

            “So you just want to force women to have unwanted children and overload the system in another way.”

            Actually no, we would rather that these women and there male counterparts started realizing the consequences of their actions. Again, we all know the risks associated with having sex (from pregnacy to disease) and as such, need to act appropriately with regards to the act….
            Your mistake, your problem…..your responsiblity….period!

          • karolyn

            But ultimately it becomes OUR problem. You can’t force people to do or not do anything, and you can’t legislate morality.

          • Average Joe

            No, it is not our problem….it is only a problem for the person who puts themselves in the situation in the first place.
            I won’t attempt to legislate motrality on anyone….but I will not take responsiblity for their bad decision making skills either. They have a choice…have sex and risk pregnancy or don’t have sex….and have no risk of pregnancy (the same dicisions that every one of us make daily)….seems pretty simple to me.There is no foolproof birth control….other than abstinence….(yes I know, it’s a big word…look it up)….so, before you have sex, ask yourself….What if I get pegnant? Can I afford this child? Do I want a child at this time?Is this man that I am about to have sex with prepared to take on this responsibility? Am I ready to spend the rest of my life with this man or boy and vice versa? Casual sex…just like real “love” sex….has consequences…and the more you participate in it….the greater the risk…Again…your mistake, your problem,your responsibility…period……your problem…is not my problem….

            A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools.
            Douglas Adams

          • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

            Can’t legislate morality. They sure have been legislating immorality for almost 50 years.

          • smithington

            Can you REALLY put your head on your pillow at night and believe that! I feel sorry for you.

          • smithington

            Do you feel comfortable KILLING innocent babies????

          • smithington

            (offensive comment removed)

          • http://naver samurai

            I guess it is time, once again, to remind you of our founding principles of self reliance, personal responsibility, and the vigilance to ensure that government remain our servants and not our masters. The mother must rely on herselh, take responsibility for the child, and the government isn’t supposed to help in any way. If you’re going to play, you’re going to pay. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Samurai,
            there you go making that mistake again! The two words that progs and libbies hate the most are “PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY”!!!!

          • http://naver samurai

            Well said, Joe H. They also don’t believe in people being self reliant, just to rely on the government for everything. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Ted Crawford

        Karolyn, Only a progressive would think that it should be an easy thing to take a human life! As a Virt Nam veteran I know the price it demands and it should be exactly that high!

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Ted,
          Very true words! I have an 18 month degree from THAT school!!

          • http://naver samurai

            Though my schools were Afghanistan and Iraq, I understand what you’re saying. Taking a life is never an easy thing to do. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • paul

        It wouldn’t surprise me if Angel thought of Adolf Hitler as just a sweet old man. After all, he was only exercising his choice to end another’s life much like planned parenthood. The systematic slaughter of our children is the greatest blight upon this great nation. How far have we fallen.

        • Angel

          Paul – the Hitler comment was very uncalled for. As I noted elsewhere: I don’t condone any killing. Because I am for limited government, I don’t feel our government should legislate moral choices. I’ll let God sit in judgment, not a bunch of hypocrites.

          • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

            Angel:

            That is all good and well. I am for limited government also. However, to force hard working taxpayers to subsidize immorality with this obscene welfare system must end.

            There is a BIG difference between and safety net and a hammock.

        • meteorlady

          Black women abort their children at 3 times the rate of white women. Over 50% of black pregnancies end in abortion

          Planned Parenthood is an organization started by a white racist women who believed that it was detrimental to society for blacks to have children.

        • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

          Paul:

          And for those with eyes to see and ears to hear they are well aware of what God’s wrath is working upon the once great nation. He is doing to us what He did to the Israilites when they strayed and He attempted to get their attention.

      • smithington

        ABORTION IS MURDER!!! No matter how much some people want to stick their heads in the sand and deny reality to try and ease their conscience.

        • meteorlady

          Yes it’s your belief and mine that it is stopping a human life. However, a lot of people have other points of views and differing moral values. If you accept that we live in a society where freedom is the ultimate value to us, then you must also believe in the individual rights or those around you that do not believe as you and I do. That’s freedom and that’s what you never want to give up more of.

          • karolyn

            meteorlady, I applaud you!

          • Robin from Arcadia, IN

            meteorlady… And who protects the rights of the unborn? Once a child is conceived, they are human, with a soul. They should have the same rights as we do.

          • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

            Then they are free to pay for their choices. We as a society should nto be forced at gun-point to support their choices.

            In order to remain free and maintain freedom we must also continually work to correct their bad choices.

          • smithington

            ABORTION IS STILL MURDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Nuff said

          • http://naver samurai

            Don’t forget that along with our freedoms and choices, comes the responsibilities that go with them. My wife and I believe in the rights given to us, as addressed in the Declaration of Independence, “… endowed by their Creator, which are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness…” The child, though not born yet, has these same God given rights, protection by all laws, and all God given rights as mentioned in the Constitution. This doesn’t sound like the meteorlady that my wife and I have talked with before. Unless I’m wrong of course. In Indiana, the doctor has to let the woman listen to the babies heartbeat before making a choice. The abortion supporters sound just like the ones during Hitler’s Reich. I guess that this means that anyone the supports abortion is no better than Dr. Mengele himself. 하나님 하고 나라를 위해서! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • meteorlady

            Robin – who protects my rights to not have to pay for an abortion? Who incubates the child inside a person? That person has rights to make a free decision based on their moral beliefs, not mine, not yours and certainly not your governments.

            I still do NOT WANT my hard earned money to go for abortions so in that we agree. If a person wants to play, they can pay their own way. I should not have to help them out.

      • meteorlady

        Planned Parenthood is a racist organization. They target Blacks and their founder was a white racist of the worst kind who believed that having black children born would somehow hurt our society.

        Besides, I don’t believe in abortion, though I support someone’s right to have one because I believe in freedom, but I should not have to pay for it. It wasn’t my mistake, it wasn’t my immoral life style, so why do I owe anyone the cost of their abortion?

      • barbm

        i can’t stop you from killing your unborn children, but i shouldn’t have to help you do it when it’s murder in my book. abortion should not be used for birth control. i had a friend (operative word “had”) who had an abortion. she said she didn’t want to be tied to the man she was screwing because he just wasn’t that kind of person. then why in hell was she screwing him? some stupid girl killed my 1st grandchild, and i’ll never forgive or forget. a child should be able to look to it’s mother even more than to its father to protect and nurture it. did you even give any thought to the fact that your baby felt pain while being ripped from your body? do you have your explanation ready for your maker? do you really think He thinks what you did is okay? i don’t.

      • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

        Why should I have your values forced om me via my property being confiscated by the government / IRS and then used to murder babies?

        If PP is so beneficial it can survive on private dnoations exclusively.

        PP was started by Sanger in the 20s as a tool to eliminate blacks. From stats I have seen regarding the abortion rate among blacks she is succeeding to some extent.

      • Rebecca

        Unfortunatly, Planned Parenthood advertises as a “non-profit” Women’s Health Center. However, plenty of money being made at $400 or so for a “simple” and “safe” procedure. Now for the later term abortions they get at least $1200 each. So, even though you were given preventative care at a reduced rate or even free, do not be fooled into thinking that Planned Parenthood is operating out of the goodness of their hearts. Our tax dollars go to operate this abortion mill fronting as a “Women’s Health Center”.

        Moreover, no matter how you twist it around and look at it through rose colored glasses, abortion is murder. It’s as simple as that. What is a fetus?? It’s an unborn human. Is it at some point an unborn dog? calf? sheep? monkey? No. From the moment it is conceived it is a human. Now..would you be opposed to taking that babies life five minutes before full term birth? Probably. I would. How about five minutes before that? How about five days before that? Now where does your conscience allow you to place the cut off? All the way back to conception the baby is alive unless that life is ended from an outside force. Planned Parenthood = Abortion = Murder.

      • JIBBS

        If you want to support planned parenthood, use your money, not mine. And don’t force your values on others !

      • Patty

        As USUAL, you (liberals) just blew the facts out of the water to vilify your point. No one is FORCED to watch or have an ultra sound. The clinic is by law suppose to offer the patient the CHOICE to see the baby on an ultra sound and hear their heart beat. They are not forced.
        Exactly, how many abortions for 1 person are an “oops” or their main form of birth control? 60% of african american New York pregnancies end in abortion. The most dangerous place for a black child is in the womb. Just as the So Ho billboard states. It was taken down because some special interest found it offensive. Facts are sometimes an inconvientent truth, aren’t they. I find it offensive that Planned Parenthood has picked up where the KKK had left off.
        BTW, the founder of Planned Parenthood, total racist, eugenics Margaret Sanger. http://www.acts1711.com/sanger.htm

        • GregS

          Well said, Patty! The pro-aborts don’t want the real truth about abortion to be known: It’s all about money and population control.

    • Larry Owens

      good post and I agree PP is a worthless org. killing babies is what makes all the women libbers happy.

      • barbm

        “killing babies is what makes all the women libbers happy.”

        i beg your pardon? ALL women libbers are happy by the killing of babies? that’s not what womens’ lib was about. it was about getting equal pay for equal work which we are entitled to. that was a stupid statement.

        • karolyn

          Typical chauvinistic old man reply.

          • eddie47d

            Agreed,Larry is callous in his comment.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            eddie,
            Then that means that you and karolyn support murder!!! Remember, the person that knows about a murder and does nothing to try and stop it is just as guilty as the person that murders!!

    • RayLand

      This site is supposedly devoted to freedom and liberty. If a women is denied the freedom over her own body, who is free in this country? Unwanted children become psychotic adults……please Mr. do not deny a women her choice.

      • GregS

        RayLand, the unborn child is NOT part of the woman’s body. He/she is a separate living human organism with his/her own genome, sex, blood type, etc. This is a scientific fact, and any medical textbook will tell you this.

        • meteorlady

          Can they live outside her body?

          • GregS

            Certainly not after the abortion, when the abortionist ensures that the unborn child is dead before he/she is removed, since the purpose of ALL abortions is to produce a DEAD baby. This is especially true of mid- and late-term abortions, and it’s precisely why the partial birth abortion procedure was developed.

            Otherwise, what does the location of the living human organism have to do with this discussion? While it’s true that the unborn child must remain within his/her mother until “viability,” he/she is still a separate living human organism which deserves the right to life, regardless of his/her location.

      • GregS

        “Unwanted children become psychotic adults?” Really??? Do you have documented evidence of this??? Does that include all the children who are adopted???

        • http://?? Joe H.

          GregS,
          I’m sure if they would check that they would find that the percentage of psychotics isn’t any higher among even the ones that aren’t adopted! If it is, it is only slight!

    • Robert Smith

      s c says: “Planned Parenthood is quite a piece of work…”

      Actually Planned Parenthood PREVENTS more abortions than any other organization.

      Rob

      • http://naver samurai

        Care to cite a source? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • GregS

        Actually, Robert, it’s the defunding of organizations, such as Planned Parenthood, and the defunding of abortion in general, which PREVENTS more abortions.

        For example, a 2010 NARAL factsheet contains this statement:

        “A study by the Guttmacher Institute shows that Medicaid‑eligible women in states that exclude abortion coverage have abortion rates of about half of those of women in states that fund abortion care. This suggests that the Hyde amendment forces about half the women who would otherwise choose abortion to carry unintended pregnancies to term and bear children against their wishes.”

        Many critics of the Hyde Amendment argue, quite explicitly, that these children should not have been born. In fact, over the years, some critics of the Hyde Amendment policy have quite explicitly argued for federal funding of abortion as a cost-saving expedient. Whatever their motivations, if these groups and their congressional allies had succeeded in their efforts to block the Hyde Amendment, an estimated million-plus children would not have been born. Their birth was, according to a 2007 Guttmacher Institute monograph, a “tragic result” of the Hyde Amendment.

        So, Robert, even your pro-abortion cohorts disagree with you on this!

  • bsfurg

    even if they dont have abortions there are lots of doctors that will perform a D & C on women if they want a abortion… I dont like the idea that tax money will pay for any of them but there are women who should not have kids and abortion will prevent some kids of being murdered by there mother..whoes not fit to even be a women let a lone a mother..

    • karolyn

      Great point!

      • http://naver samurai

        Adoption is always a choice and not murder! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Robert Smith

          Abortion is not “murder.” Murder is a legal term.

          Remember, this is America and abortion is legal.

          Rob

          • http://?? Joe H.

            robert,
            The unborn child is alive and therefore if you abort it, it is murder, the ending of a life by force! It could even be said that it is premeditated!! If that same child or fetus, if that makes your conscience be soothed, is killed in a car accident, the other driver can, and in most cases, will be charged with a homicide! how is it that one way of killing it is murder and the other way isn’t?? both are the same age same sex same human being!!

          • http://naver samurai

            If these pieces of legislation are passed, it won’t reall be legal for long! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Lisa

    Karolyn,

    Offering is NOT forcing women to view ultrasounds, it is making it available. Hopifully you are not against someone having information? I am glad someone was there to help you in your time of need. But I know for a FACT plan parenthood misrepresents the medical facts about abortions. The bills I have read only defund abortions not other services which by the way you can get at your local health care services for free or reduced costs.

    • Rebecca

      Lisa, you are so right. As a former health care provider in the specialty of Women’s Health, six out of every ten patients that chose abortion would come back to us with some type problem…infection…abnormal bleeding…and more times than I care to remember more severe complications. In the city in which I worked there were several deaths from post-abortion complications as well as one 17 year old female patient who had a perforated uterus and required a hysterectomy to stop her from bleeding to death. That young individual killed the only baby she will ever have. God have mercy on these poor misinformed, misled ladies.

      • eddie47d

        Some politicians do want to force women to have an ultrasound so that is hardly a choice. Now days most women know they are pregnant without a doctor telling them so but years ago woman did get an ultrasound to find that out. Either way it is their choice to have an abortion or bring a baby to full term. In China women are forced to have an abortion and that is why we should have laws to make it safe and legal;we don’t need the government enacting laws dictating taking away that choice. If you don’t believe in abortion then don’t have one.

        • libertytrain

          Eddie: What does this mean? “Now days most women know they are pregnant without a doctor telling them so but years ago woman did get an ultrasound to find that out.”

          I’m confused – I’ve had 3 (all grown) and never EVER had an ultrasound to find out if I was pregnant or any for that matter — now they seem to give them out like candy and not till your at least 12-14 weeks pregnant as a rule. At least that’s what’s “in” now with all the young gals I’ve known the last several years and seems to be overused during pregnancies, in my non-medical opinion.

        • Patty

          Eddy, you have to be a male and ignorant on top of that. You have a “rabbit test” to find out if you are pregnant, not an ultra sound. A rabbit test is a piss test that registers the level of hormones in your body. Geesh, please, sit down and be quiet. You have no clue.

          • eddie47d

            You can buy those tests at any drug store and most women today use them and know they are pregnant before going to a doctor. What is so confusing about that. Before the “rabbit” test a women who wasn’t sure she was pregnant went in for an ultrasound to verify. Oh, I forgot I’m just another dumb man.

          • libertytrain

            No one went in for an ultrasound to find out if she was pregnant. Do some Googling.

          • eddie47d

            Ultrasound has been around since the 1950′s and can indeed determine if a women is pregnant, even at 5 weeks.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            eddie,
            An ultrasound is to determine how far along you are, if the baby is situated properly, in some cases, the sex of the baby, but not to determine if you are pregnant in the first case. The first thing a DR. does is give the woman a blood test. they are usually accurate to within about 4 to 5 weeks! My wife bore me three kids, my niece has given me four great nephues and I have an “honorary” daughter that gave me a granddaughter! I’ve been through three deliveries, cesarians, with my wife, so yeah, I have a little knowledge!

        • smithington

          Eddie, maybe you should abort yourself. That would save humanity a lot of trouble from your amazing stupidity!!

        • http://naver samurai

          Sorry edduh, but if you can pay the fine that the government emposes on you for getting pregnant more than once, which many of them can pay these days, and due to people giving daughters up for adoption and other things, the government is allowing up to 2 children per family. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Rebecca

          Eddy…I wasn’t talking “opinion”. I was talking “facts”. You only read the part you wanted to argue about. You can’t argue with facts.

      • http://naver sook young

        Let’s not forget those women with damage to their cervix. Thank you.

        Sook Young
        Wife of the Samurai

    • Robert Smith

      Awwww Lisa… There you go: ” But I know for a FACT plan parenthood misrepresents the medical facts about abortions.”

      Aren’t you going to be specific? Seems to me you are making it up.

      Rob

      • http://naver sook young

        Robert is always calling someone a liar, but you never state anything that supports what you are trying to say. How about the $360 million dollars that they tend to get from this presidents administration? I guess the Hyde Amendment has been overlooked by our president? Thank you.

        Sook Young
        Wife of the Samurai

  • Robert Lack

    “Don’t force your values and feelings on others.” How about YOU not forcing your Non-values and non-feelings on the innocent baby you admitted hacking to pieces. Call murder what it is.

    • meteorlady

      So much for freedom of choice in our world.

      • barbm

        why isn’t the baby entitled to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness? why is only one person allowed that freedom – the mother?

        • Robert Smith

          I don’t believe that what is gestating is a “baby” anymore than an acorn is an oak tree.

          Quit forcing YOUR beliefs on me and others who don’t share them.

          Rob

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Robert,
            Once that acorn starts to sprout, it is, indeed an oak tree!! Just like a baby, once it starts to form is a BABY! It has been proven time and time again, that a developing baby has a heartbeat, feels pain, and is even comforted by outside the womb sounds, like music!!

          • http://naver samurai

            Using the acorn thing again there moron? You must be running out of comebacks and are repeating yourself. In Indiana, if a person kills a woman and the baby dies also its 2 not 1 count of murder. The person is also eligable for the electric chair. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Robin from Arcadia, IN

        meteorlady… When an unplanned pregnancy comes about, that choice was already made. The couple made it when they decided not to use protection to prevent it. Now they have a responsibility to that baby. How heartless can people be? Murdering a baby for the sake of their selfishness! Disgusting, irresponsible morons. And again, I am not referring to rapes and medical problem pregnancies.

        • Robert Smith

          Awwww Robin, why did your god allow her to be knocked up? Isn’t he all powerful even knocking getting a virgin preggers?

          BTW, how did Mary remain a virgin as Jesus came out?

          Rob

          • Jay

            Robert, You should’t engage in a subject you seem to know very little about, it has already bit you in the ass.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Robert,
            you obviously know very little about my God as if you did, you would know that he gives us free will even to illegal and immoral actions! If he guided our every step like you want, our love for him and his for us would come too easy, and as you should well know, things that come too easy aren’t very well cherished!!

        • meteorlady

          So it’s Ok to, in your words “murder” an unborn child if the person was raped or it’s a medical emergency? Why is it any different?

  • http://none joan

    Thank God for Arizona. Lets see what the other so called heroes do. I hope a lot more than they have been. Where is your SPINE.Get involved.
    You know you have to if you want to take back America.

    • Robert Smith

      From joan: “You know you have to if you want to take back America.”

      And make us live under your version of the christian talaban?

      No thanks.

      Rob

      • http://naver samurai

        She didn’t mention anything about religion or Christianity moron! You keep talking about Christianity, but know nothing about it. Just stick you moronic head back in the sand where it belongs. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Jay

          Samurai, His head in the sand, seems always to be, the position from where he’s always coming from.

  • Polski

    I can remember when the Catholic church said if a mother was in danger, it was better that the mother should die and the child live. If you talk about abortion, talk about the whole subject, about the real SOBs that caused the abortion movement.

    • libertytrain

      I don’t know if you are a man or woman, but I can assure you it would not take a directive from any one person, agency, government, or any church, for many, many women to choose the life of their unborn child over their own.

    • barbm

      i was told that i would probably die if i had my first son. while in labor, the doctor told my parents and husband that i might not make it and again asked for permission to kill the baby. my mom told him that it’d be okay if he thought he could run far enough, fast enough, and long enough to keep me from killing him. we both made it and are still here almost 40 years later. i felt i’d already had my chance at life and that my baby deserved his.

      • libertytrain

        You know just your last line says why so many women do these selfless acts.

  • Baba

    Idiots. All idiots. Planned Parenthood is not just about abortion. Females who cannot afford to visit doctors have pap tests at reduced dollars. PREVENTION Birth Control pills are dispensed NOT at $52.00 but $8.00. PREVENTION Condums are reasonable. PREVENTION The Good that Planned Parenthood does for communities far outweighs the abortion tag. Abortion is not promoted but available if female cannot bring a child into this world. Do you for one moment think that a female considers abortion lightly? You bet not. Those of you who think yelling down Planned Parenthood is the thing to do…will you raise the child once it is born? Will you help the scared female raise the child? You bet you won’t. Children, some of them, do grow up. It amazes me the number of females who will not consider abortion of the fetus but will dump babies in trash cans or shake their babies to death, or smother them. But, they didn’t have abortions, did they?!!! You may stop abortion but females will go back to coat hangers and back alley abortions. Abortions have been going on for eons, way before it was legal. Stop and think of what you are demanding. There will always be abortion legal or otherwise. I take the legalality of it. Not the back alley quacks. Do you have any idea how many little girls go into Planned Parenthood, pregnant by their fathers, brothers, uncles, cousins..??? Makes your hair stand on end. How many rape victims want to give birth to a little bastard that they do not want? Some rape victims are 12 – 15 years old! Tell me that is OK. I refuse to go back to the stone ages. There are so many good and wonderful things that happen in Planned Parenthood clinics that far outweigh abortion. Get Educated!!!!!!!!!!!!! You yell so loud about abortion that you cannot ever hear or learn the real truth about Planned Parenthood.

    • babybikerbabe

      Baba,

      Despite the rhetoric many people, including you, are missing the point. This is about TAXPAYER FUNDING, not prevention, rape or low cost gynecological services.

      I made use of Planned Parenthood in my youth. Low cost birth control my primary purpose. I never asked or even wondered HOW they could afford to give me, for $8/mo what others were paying $25 (this was a few years back). Today, I work for a living and watch the efforts of my labor increasingly reduced by taxes for this and taxes for that and taxes for this other thing…..

      If Planned Parenthood is such a worthwhile organization, let them seek their funding from the public at large, not the Government, excuse me, the American Taxpayer. At $1 Million A DAY, they provide what they provide and thousands, if not millions of people are forced to cover yet another entitlement program. Well I tell you what, I’m entitled too – to keep what I earn and then GIVE it, freely, to the organizations of my choice.

      I think most of all the irony of Planned Parenthood can be found in the connection between Charles Darwin, and his vile publication (full title)”On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life” and Margaret Sanger who in A Plan for Peace (1932), proposed a congressional department to:

      Keep the doors of immigration closed to the entrance of certain aliens whose condition is known to be detrimental to the stamina of the race, such as feebleminded, idiots, morons, insane, syphilitic, epileptic, criminal, professional prostitutes, and others in this class barred by the immigration laws of 1924.[22]

      And, following:

      Apply a stern and rigid policy of sterilization and segregation to that grade of population whose progeny is already tainted or whose inheritance is such that objectionable traits may be transmitted to offspring.[22]

      Both Darwin AND Sanger were huge proponents of Eugenics and their work was an inspiration to none other than Adolf Hitler. We all know how THAT turned out.

      You my dear, are the one who needs to get educated!!!!! YOU yell so loud about the RIGHT to abortion that you cannot ever hear or learn the real truth about Planned Parenthood.

    • Robin from Arcadia, IN

      Baba… Yes, I agree, there is more to Planned Parenthood than abortions. It seems to me that those who are coming to PP for an abortion are a little late. If they would have sought birth control before a pregnancy occurred, an abortion wouldn’t be needed. Since you have emphasized the fact that they are there with birth control for those who need it or want it, then why are there so many abortions taking place? One word… irresponsibility. And like I said to Karolyn, I am not talking about the health related issues to a mother who is pregnant or about rapes. Just the crowd who likes to ‘do it’….

    • AMJ

      You talk about “PREVENTION,” the best way to prevent an abortion is ABSTINANCE. That is the only way to keep “unwanted” children from being conceived in the first place.

      • Robert Smith

        AMJ says: “best way to prevent an abortion is ABSTINANCE.”

        I’m sure Brystol is happy to hear you say that.

        IF Sarah can’t even get her own daughter in line how do you expect it to work for America?

        Next time before you make that kind of “leap” in alleged logic please make sure both ends of your mental bungy cord are tied off.

        Rob

        Rob

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Robert,
          speaking from experience again???

        • http://naver samurai

          Heed to your own advice, moron! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Shagnassy

      You can get the same services at your local health department for free or extremely reduced costs.

      • karolyn

        Where do you live?

    • meteorlady

      I resent the “idiot” remark. I also believe that it is not my place in society to help people through my tax dollars to kill unborn babies. I respect the freedom of choice, the I don’t believe that I should have to pay for it.

      Did you know that Planned Parenthood is a racist organization? A disproportionate number of Planned Parenthood centers are in black neighborhoods. I don’t believe I need my tax dollars to go to an organization like this one. If they are so great, then they should be able to survive on charitable contributions. I suggest you start the ball rolling by making a contribution to them.

    • barbm

      i’ll give you one thing, if the govt is going to provide men with free viagra, why aren’t they providing women with free birth control pills?

    • barbm

      “will you raise the child once it is born? Will you help the scared female raise the child? You bet you won’t.” liar. yes, i would. we all do when we provide them with afdc, food stamps, and medicaid. but, i’d be willing to do more – free babysitting while they go to college or work or when they’ve just had enough and need a break, more if needed. let’s talk about 3rd trimester abortion. they dilate the cervix, shove scissors into the baby’s head and twist them around to make a hole big enough to suck out its little brain so the head will collapse, then suck what’s left out of the womb. third trimester babies are viable – for the ignorant, that means they can live outside the womb if they have a brain still in place. by the time they’re 5 months old in the womb, they feel pain just as we do. don’t think having scissors shoved in your head hurts?

      • eddie47d

        Some of you want it both ways.I would say the majority on this site are against AFDC,food stamps,welfare,Medicaid AND against abortion. Which brings us right back to AFDC,food stamps,welfare,Medicaid.etc. Which you pay for very reluctantly.

        • barbm

          if i have to choose…i choose life.

        • http://naver samurai

          We should abolish the welfare state as it isn’t authorized under the U.S. Constitution and only creates more problems. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Rebecca

      Baba,
      I AM educated in this very area of science. If you will read my reply to Lisa you will see that the so called “safe” procedure of theraputic abortion is no better than coat hangers in the back alley. If an average of over half the women who have abortions in a clinic have complications then how much better off are we? We have merely justified the act of murdering an unborn baby.

    • GregS

      Baba says:

      You may stop abortion but females will go back to coat hangers and back alley abortions.

      The legalization of abortion has never addressed this issue, and it never will! “Back-alley abortions” still occur today, despite this country having the most permissive abortion laws in the world. Consider the current case against abortionist Kermit Gosnell and his associates:

      http://www.nrlc.org/News_and_Views/Jan2011/nv012011.html

      I would not be surprised if “clinics” such as this exist throughout the country.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Baba,
      I would be willing to bet you real money that there are a good number here that would be willing to help raise or RAISE the child of another. I know beyond the shadow of a doubt my Wife and I would! We have done it before and would gladly do it again and not for any return! Get real lady/dude!!

    • Jay

      Yes, we can hear, all to well, your satanic indoctrination. Baba!

  • Chris

    I find it interesting that this article is under “Personal Liberty News” and you are all so dead set against a woman’s right to choose. I guess you are only in favor of liberty if it’s what YOU want or like.

    • Robin from Arcadia, IN

      Chris… She did choose. She had sex without birth control.

      • barbm

        well said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • eddie47d

        My,my Robin what the heck did they do before the rubber was invented? Think about all those irresponsible horny people out there over the many centuries. You want people to be responsible yet want to cut off funding to Planned Parenthood which will give women fewer options to be responsible. How many women are truly prepared when a man demands his wife performs her nightly duty?

        • libertytrain

          Wow, that was sure sexist. You should be busy Googling what an ultrasound is instead of posting your demands.

          • Karolyn

            You can’t tell eddie was being facetious?

          • libertytrain

            I liked to hope it was – and coming from a guy who is insisting an ultrasound test is what women use(d) to determine if a woman is pregnant – who in heaven’s name knows whether he is really funning or not. Frankly, I wouldn’t put a post like that up there intending sarcasm with my name attached to it for Internet eternity. I wonder if it was really Eddie.

        • barbm

          if it’s a duty, he needs to see a therapist and learn how to do it right!! :) i’m almoast 5 years older than my sister. my parents used the rhythm method. that was back in the 40s. not sure when rubbers were invented.

          • libertytrain

            Barb – this was interesting, I had thought it was a long long long time ago but didn’t know when.
            http://aids.about.com/od/condominformation/qt/condomhistory.htm

          • Karolyn

            Yes, my parents too – Catholic. My aunt died because of too many pregnancies with her being a severe diabetic. She lost several babies. My mother always blamed my uncle for her death.

          • libertytrain

            Perhaps in a sad sort of way she had a right – men could use self-control when their wives lives depended on it. Catholic or not.

        • Robin from Arcadia, IN

          eddie47d… Gee Eddie I was told a long, long time ago that the best form of birth control was an aspirin. A woman was told to put it between her two knees and keep it there.

        • Carlucci

          What century are you from? “Demands”, “performs” “wifely duty” – ??? OMG – if you only had a brain – !!!

          • eddie47d

            I didn’t think you’d get the jest of it. At least Robin had a good come back and not libertytrain.

          • libertytrain

            We can’t all be at the top of our game at all times as you are -

    • babybikerbabe

      Chris,

      Read my response to Baba above. You hide behind the “idea” of choice. Where is MY choice to NOT have my tax dollars used for this? I support a woman’s right to choose, but if she chooses, let her pay for it, or find a NON-GOVERNMENT FUNDED ORGANIZATION TO DO SO.

      Apparently, you miss the underlying, fundamental concept of LIBERTY! You know, to pursue your happiness as long as it does not infringe on the rights or happiness of others. Taking my money to fund OTHER PEOPLES CHOICES is an infringement. Get an education.

      • meteorlady

        Good response – thanks.

      • Chris

        Yes, I read your replies and find it a little ironic that you didn’t have any objection to using the provided services when you needed them. Hey, we all make mistakes. Reading your responses, I can see where you are coming from– if you think everyone who is in disagreement with you is uneducated then I guess you consider yourself to be some elitist know-it-all. The government takes money from all taxpayers for things that we all don’t agree with. I don’t like where they spend my money either. But guess what, it’s called democracy. If 50.0000001% of the peoplea agree that means 49.9999999% don’t agree. That’s the way it is. It’s not a Chinese restaurant, you don’t get to pick from the menu the items that you want your taxes to support.

        • Ted Crawford

          Yes we can (pun intended) choose! As you are now clearly seeing!

          • Chris

            No, Ted. I think if you do your taxes and you owe the state or the feds money, you don’t have the luxury of deducting money for programs you don’t agree with. Try it and see how far you get.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            chris,
            It isn’t a democracy, it’s a republic!! That is why there are so many laws protecting the minority!! If all you needed was a 50.000001% then there wouldn’t be ANY of those laws!!

        • babybikerbabe

          I use the services as a teen and I was uneducated. Agreed.

          You said:

          The government takes money from all taxpayers for things that we all don’t agree with. I don’t like where they spend my money either. But guess what, it’s called democracy. If 50.0000001% of the peoplea agree that means 49.9999999% don’t agree. That’s the way it is. It’s not a Chinese restaurant, you don’t get to pick from the menu the items that you want your taxes to support.

          Yes, that IS democracy – but the United States is SUPPOSED to be a democratic REPUBLIC. We are NOT to be a majority rule as you describe. If you actually READ the CONSTITUTION you will see that the States in fact DO have the right to select within the Fed Budget what they will and will not pay for. Each Governor, in effect, has a line item veto on Fed spending. The real problem is that we no longer follow this process.

          I do not consider myself elite or smarter. I make choices daily on where to spend my time and on what I learn. I discovered the connection between Planned Parenthood and Darwin and Eugenics doing research on Hemp. I always wondered why hemp, (not marijuana but industrial hemp) , one of the most renewable, oxygen creating plants on the planet, was illegal to grow to grow in the US. Hemp oil was being considered to run Ford’s new cars, until Rockefeller got in the mix. I follow the money and it always leads me to the truth.

          Planned Parenthood funds services that our government should not be providing to it’s citizens. I didn’t understand that then, but I do now.

          I do not think EVERYONE who disagrees with me is uneducated. But I do believe the majority of people who disagree with fundamental concepts of Liberty are uninformed or UNDER educated.

          • meteorlady

            I love your response. Most believe that we are a democracy when in fact we were not intended to be. Most should read Ron Paul’s “A Republic if you Can Keep It”…. it’s most enlightening.

        • JIBBS

          You want to talk about education ? We are not a Democrocy, we are a Republic, the fact is that all democrocy’s fail.

      • karolyn

        Maybe what we need is a checklist for every taxpayer to check off what they will and what they won’t fund with their tax dollars!

        • smithington

          ABORTION IS STILL MURDER KAROLYN! If you really check your conscience you know this. I have many friends who have had abortions…AND THEY ALWAYS REGRET IT!

          • Karolyn

            Well, you know what? I probably know more women that have had abortions than you and they don’t regret it. My conscience is perfectly clear. I do not see death, whether it’s a fetus, a child or an adult, as a bad thing.

          • http://naver samurai

            Karolyn, I served with the infantry for 20 years and have probably ended the lives of more people then you have friends, but even I know that killing, murder, death, etc., isn’t a good thing. You sure you don’t go to Robert Smith’s house and share his wacky tabbacky with him? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • meteorlady

      They still have the right to choose. I just don’t have to pay for it.

      Planned Parenthood was founded by a white racist who believed that black people should be stopped from having children because it was detrimental to our society. They still operate disproportionately in black neighborhoods.

      • louie

        RACIST!!!

        • s c

          L, just how much do you get paid to prove to the world how uninformed, unducated, simplistic, pc, space cadetish and unenlightened you can be?
          Hint, if you get more than minimum wage, the SOB who owns your rump is wasting his money.
          If you want to be a real prostitute (instead of a pretender), move to Nevada. Rumor has it that Scummy Reid secretly wants to expand the number of brothels there (gotta keep that economy going). Keep in touch.

          • karolyn

            Wasn’t a blog written here just this past week about Reid wanting illegalize prostitution?

        • Carlucci

          Louie – Why did you say “RACIST”? Guess who just opened a multi-million dollar facility in my city, right in the middle of a neighborhood that everyone knows is heavily populated with blacks and hispanics? That is “Planned Parenthood’s” m.o. Do some research on them and you’ll see that’s where they typically open their clinics.
          That’s what I would term “racist” – in that they are taking advantage of people whom they deem ignorant and careless. Margaret Sanger would have been so proud that her weird “philosophy” is still going strong.

          I agree with many posters on this blog. Planned Parenthood should and ultimately must be funded by private donations ONLY.

          • karolyn

            It’s not taking advantage; it’s bringing the services where they’re most needed. Let’s be honest here; the poor need those services more than anyone else.

          • eddie47d

            That part goes over their heads Karolyn. So they turn it into a racial issue.

          • http://deleted Claire

            Karolyn–The poor does need their services. Doesn’t Planned Parenthood provide mammograms, birth control, pap smears for the less fortunate?

          • Karolyn

            That’s right, Claire. When I had little money for a regular gyno, I went to them and had my annual exams done at a very low cost. The county I lived in used Planned Parenthood to take care of loweer income women. That’s why they are so essential. Of course, now that I’m a senior citizen, the state (SC) pays for my yearly mammo and internal should I want it. It’s a program called Best Chance that works to cut cancer deaths.

          • Jay

            Karolyn, Eddie, and Clair. Do you all work for planned baby kill?

        • meteorlady

          Why am I racist? I just stated a fact. If you want the link here it is?

          http://www.citizenreviewonline.org/special_issues/population/the_negro_project.htm

    • Shagnassy

      What about that childs rights? Did you forget about that? They arent’ allowed to speak for themselves. So someone has to speak for them.

      • smithington

        Every time you turn around, it’s, “All about the kids”, right? What about the kids in women’s bellys??????????????????????

    • louie

      Chris, you are dumber than dumb. A woman/man does not have the right to choose to murder a baby that they shouldn’t have conceived in the first place. There is absolutely no reason for an abortion…none what so ever.

      • Chris

        Louie—-If you are going to call someone dumb, you should have the brain power to do so.

        • JIBBS

          I can’t decide if you are stupid by nature, or if you went to school for it. I find it hard to believe that someone could be so far out of touch, when the information is out there in plain view.

      • karolyn

        You cannot call someone dumb just because their opinion differs from yours. When someone responds that way it is just showing a lack of the intelligence and insight to visit the thought that someone else just might be right.

        • libertytrain

          Karolyn, I can’t disagree with you on that one.

          • http://deleted Claire

            Karolyn–I cannot disagree with you either. Good comments.

        • smithington

          You have the freedom to say WHATEVER you want, right Care-O-Lyn? We ALSO have the right to say whatever we want. Especially when it comes to murdering unborn, innocent babies.

    • libertytrain

      Chris – it’s news – that’s why it was reported. And when it is reported news that seems to favor one or the other “side” (for lack of better word) they don’t wish to hear/read, they make silly critiques that PL has gone to the Left, or has gone far to the Right depending on their point of view. And you know what’s really special – Personal Liberty let’s you voice your opinion no matter what side you favor, as you did here.

    • http://naver samurai

      Too much lib kool aid. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Mick

    Chris says:
    March 3, 2011 at 8:21 am
    I find it interesting that this article is under “Personal Liberty News” and you are all so dead set against a woman’s right to choose. I guess you are only in favor of liberty if it’s what YOU want or like.
    ***********************************************
    Chris ……The way I see Women can have the right to choose considering today’s mentality, they just don’t have the right to make me pay for it

    • Chris

      Understand your point Ted. There are many things I don’t like paying taxes for also, but until laws are changed we don’t get to deduct from our tax bills things we don’t want to pay for.

      • GregS

        That’s precisely why Arizona is changing its laws, because most people do not favor taxpayer-funded abortion. This has been clearly shown in most of the polls, even amongst many of those who call themselves “pro-choice.”

  • meteorlady

    Planned Parenthood was founded by Margaret Sanger, a white hardcore racist who believed black births were destructive to society. Thus, Planned Parenthood Abortion Centers are disproportionately located in black neighborhoods. Referring to blacks, Sanger proclaimed, “There is no doubt that procreation of this group should be stopped”. In 1939 Sanger launched the “Negro Project” to kill blacks before they were born.

    http://www.citizenreviewonline.org/special_issues/population/the_negro_project.htm

    • s c

      Right on, meteorlady! You win the gold star for today. Now, answer this for us, please. WHO sees NOTHING wrong with murdering black babies, has no plans for distancing himself from Margaret Sanger, wouldn’t buy a pinch of morality at WalMart, poses as a warped reincarnation of FDR and saul alinsky and probably never had a nickel’s worth of common sense?
      Hitler’s ovens pale in comparison. What is truly curious is the fact that most rational adults understand what was so wrong with Hitler (FYI – the answer for the above question isn’t Hitler). Food for thought.
      I wonder how many people can get the right answer.

      • meteorlady

        Here’s a quote from Lloyd Marcus – for those that don’t know him…. he is an entertainer and a conservative Black man – though he calls himself an un-hyphenated American.

        “President Obama enthusiastically supports Planned Parenthood. He has chosen to ignore the disproportionate number of black abortions, which is in essence, black genocide.

        Why would America’s first black president rally around an organization founded by a racist committed to reducing “specifically” black births? The harsh reality is more callous then Obama’s naïve “hope and change” disciples can comprehend.

        First and foremost, Obama is a progressive liberal. Furthering his ideology, playing to his base and securing the radical feminist votetrumps everything including the lives of black babies.

        So while the liberal Democrats support an organization whose mission is to kill as many black babies as possible, most black Americans have been duped by the liberal media into believing conservative Republicans are their enemies. Lord, help us.”

        • Karolyn

          I have been trying to find out why single black women have so many kids, and what my black friend and I have come up with is that they really believe that if they have a guy’s baby, they might be able to hold onto him despite evidence to the contrary.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        sc,
        could it possibly be? Could it truly be NOBAMA?????

    • karolyn

      She may have started it that way, but that’s not what it has become.

      • JIBBS

        Dr.Smith, Dr.Smith, warning, warning….and Dr.Smith’s reply was, shut up you silly robot………..Lost In Space

        • karolyn

          Have you ever had any contact with people who work for Planned parenthood? Don’t cast judgment on something you really know nothing about.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            karolyn,
            have YOU had any contact with anybody that was or is giving illegal back alley abortions?? Neither have I, but I don’t need contact with them to know what they do is wrong!!

      • meteorlady

        Karo – the facts are there for all to see. They still operate in mostly minority neighborhoods. They still provide abortions to a disproportionate amount of Blacks. Why can’t you believe that when it’s there for all to see?

  • Angel

    Hurray – phony conservatives who preach that the government should leave us alone and stay out of our lives is telling us what medical procedures women can have and what passes for moral behavior. Oh the hypocracy that is the modern-day Republican party!

    A call out to our brave Republican women in Wyoming who stopped this madness. Way to go State Reps. Sue Wallis and Lisa Shepperson!

    And let’s add some facts about Planned Parenthood to the mix: Did you know that only about 3% of their services is abortion?

    • Mick

      Angel says:
      March 3, 2011 at 8:51 am
      Hurray – phony conservatives who preach that the government should leave us alone and stay out of our lives is telling us what medical procedures women can have and what passes for moral behavior. Oh the hypocracy that is the modern-day Republican party!

      A call out to our brave Republican women in Wyoming who stopped this madness. Way to go State Reps. Sue Wallis and Lisa Shepperson!

      And let’s add some facts about Planned Parenthood to the mix: Did you know that only about 3% of their services is abortion?
      ************************************
      Angel,,,if that’s the way you feel, fine but open your wallet instead of your mouth and stay the hell out of mine…

      • Judith R. Hannan

        Mick…….AMEN!!!

      • meteorlady

        I think Angle should start making weekly contributions to Planned Parenthood. If they are so great, they would be able to survive on private sector donations.

      • Jay

        Good one Mick. She sounds so holier then thou. I think she would have a good chance at acquiring gainful employment at “Planned Baby Kill”.

    • Robin from Arcadia, IN

      Angel… You really should change your name on this site. Anyone who condones the killing of an innocent baby really shouldn’t go by ‘Angel’.

      • Angel

        I don’t condone any killing. Because I am for limited government, I don’t feel our government should legislate moral choices. I’ll let God sit in judgment, not a bunch of hypocrites.

        • Mick

          Angel says:
          March 3, 2011 at 10:02 am
          I don’t condone any killing. Because I am for limited government, I don’t feel our government should legislate moral choices. I’ll let God sit in judgment, not a bunch of hypocrites.
          **********************************
          Angel…..But acting with a good liberal attitude you’re O. K if our government legislate to steal money from hard working people to pay for the promiscuities of others………..

          • eddie47d

            The government does not pay for abortions at Planned Parenthood!

          • http://deleted Claire

            eddie47d–Looks like there will be plenty of pregnancies now, doesn’t Planned Parenthood provide birth control?

          • http://naver samurai

            Edduh, they are supposed to get $360 million dollars this year from the Obama administration. Doesn’t this sound like government paying for abortions, hmmm? I hope they pass the No Taxpayer Funding for Abortions Act. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • eddie47d

            Okay Mr repeater; That money goes to other services.

          • http://naver samurai

            OK Edduh, which ones? Cite a source that gives a breakdown of where it goes. Why would Congress be sponsoring legislation to defund them if none of the money went to abortions? 하나님 하고 나라를 위해서! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Jay

          That’s another way of saying, “Evil prospers when good people sit idly by, with their thumbs up their asses”. You sound like one of those pathetic cowardly pacifists, hiding behind your fear, while letting evil people enjoy their evil pleasures. As for God being the only one passing judgment, what makes you think He wont pass judgment on you, when He asks you why you refused to defend the ones that couldn’t defend themselves? The only response you’ll have is that you were a coward. As for equating murder with the death penalty, you couldn’t be more confused. Murder is a premeditated and conscious taking of a human life. The death penalty is for the dispensing of justice. Unless, you don’t believe in justice, or perhaps you may not even have a clue as to what justice is. But of course, you are against that. Yeah, I’ve heard the likes of your rantings and ravings before, by the same cowardly crowd, until of course, something horrible impacts you personally, then of course the likes of you will be singing a different tune. As for the Republicans eliminating all the programs you mention regarding early childhood care, as negatively impacting the children, is just another place where republicans and liberals differ. The republicans believe that children should be raised at home, and by their parents, because its the responsible thing to do. But not only that, we believe it creates a stronger familial bond. As you might have heard, a stable society is achieved only through the support of stable families. Liberals believe that the state and the education system should raise their children. That way, there’s little chance of building that strong family bond that would build strong independent individuals. That would be counter productive, since its no secret that the state, and by that I mean liberals, would like nothing more then to raise our children while excluding the parents so as to fashion them in their image. All under the guise of all these pre-school bullshit programs. Is that Conservative enough for ya?

          • Karolyn

            Unfortunately, we live in the real world where not all families are hunky-dory. Somebody has to pick up the slack! Or should we just say screw ‘em (those that don’t pass muster in your eyes). Just throw the kids under the bus. We are all responsible. It really does “take a village.”

          • http://naver samurai

            “Tahes a village?” Karolyn are you not the poster person for Hillary? It only takes 2 good parents to raise a child, I have 4, and know this through years of experience. How can you say that when you have no kids of your own? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Jay

            It takes a village. Is the Marxists term State, now replaced with Village? Just so you know, I refuse to be part of this dubious, so-called village. As for throwing them under bus, of course not. The village has much better plans: Abortion, indoctrination, atheistic brainwashing, assisted suicide, pornography and so forth. All the wonderful, extra curricular activities liberals covet, under the guise of protecting freedom of speech.
            In of light of that, throwing them under the bus, may be more of a humane way of dispatching them.

        • Mick

          Karolyn says:
          March 3, 2011 at 8:06 pm
          Unfortunately, we live in the real world where not all families are hunky-dory. Somebody has to pick up the slack! Or should we just say screw ‘em (those that don’t pass muster in your eyes). Just throw the kids under the bus. We are all responsible. It really does “take a village.”

          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
          Karolyn …………O.K Hillary……

          • Jay

            Yes, created in the image of Hillory. Karolyn Hilarious.

    • GregS

      Angel says:

      And let’s add some facts about Planned Parenthood to the mix: Did you know that only about 3% of their services is abortion?

      This is a bogus figure touted by Planned Parenthood to shift some of the attention away from the bad press, they’ve been getting lately. See my previous post on this page here:

      http://www.personalliberty.com/news/arizona-house-passes-two-bills-aimed-at-abortion-providers-800436365/#comment-378487

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Angel,
        Instead of ignoring this post above mine, how about reading it and addressing it??

  • Charles VanHaelst

    Somehow justifying Plan Parenthood’s murder of the unborn by the other “good” services they provide, as some are suggesting, is like saying to the convicted murderer, you were unfairly sentenced because you have done some good in your life. Huh!

  • Mary Kay Andrews

    Angel, try to read the responses above and maybe you might learn something. You want to kill your own child? Go ahead, it is legal unfortunately, but don’t tell me I have to pay for it. By the way, the statistics are 42,000,000 (yes, that’s million) legal abortions were performed by Planned Parenthood. I saw some statistics just a few weeks ago about the abortion rate in New York. 41% of pregnancies were terminated and a whopping 59% were in the black community. How very sad.
    There is one bright spot in all this killing. The liberals and progressives are killing their progeny so they won’t be able to raise good little socialists.

  • Angry -American

    Okay , pity aside. How many children grow up in a faucilty that will treat them even worse, its always nice to hear from Liberals who think that filling our world with unwanted babies and having Our Society care for them is a solution, In Africa we have hundreds and millions of American Companys giving their money to them, not only cause they are treated like idiots, but lack Knowledge, instead of sending engineers or any chance to fortify their economy, Our Goverment and Millionaires find this an easy Tax Evasion to donate money to only get it credited back to them, Free Money!!! Catholics do not believe in Contraception, so who should then be responsible? Making a choice and standing by it , Priviledge is not a right, Equality is something many do not have and need to earn it,Its unAmerican not to help Those idiots that cross our border, breaking the law, then to force Americans to care for them, and Screw the American Family that has Equality in this Great Country, only to be called Inhumane,and A Racist, cause they must be first.
    Obama has forgotten who is is to Represent,
    Congress,GAO A.K.A WatchDog for the Federal Spending cannot just blame Bernake, check the mirror (offensive word removed) are closer then they look

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Gary Beard

    I don’t think that Planned Parenthood deserves federal any more than the Klu Klux Klan does. I believe that there are certain circumstances where health insurance should pay for an abortion, rape being the primary reason and a dead fetus another. I strongly oppose any federal funding for abortions in any situation. As for the education, birth control, ect. provided by Planned Parenthood, let them focus on private donations for funding as thousands of others do.

  • Az Apache Native

    IF THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY CONTINUE TO MURDER THEr unborn, the Master Creator will continue to back away from us. Look what the people of china have become; are we next!? And I quote, “And WE buy everything made in CHINA to support these SAVAGES?? I’d rather do without. WARNING~HORRIFIC IMAGES if you choose to look. I cannot.
    Logical Progress. While every year tons and tons of nutritious baby-meat is just thrown out in Europe and America, Chinese gourmands make good use of their baby-cull. A little non-human stewed for 8 hours with Chinese herbs is thought to boost one’s “yang”. Naturally, a mother has the right to choose. A restaurant in Foshan, Guangdong Province, calls the dish, “spare ribs”. The chef collects girl babies from the surrounding poor villagers; sometimes an aborted baby, sometimes a still-born, sometimes an infanticided second child. The restaurant guarantees that its babies are fresh, not frozen.”
    And I quote, “Hong Kong Eastern Express 東快訊, 1995.04.12; Reporters from EastWeek – a sister publication of Eastern Express – went to Shenzhen to see if the rumours could be substantiated. On March 7, a reporter entered the state-run Shenzhen Health Centre for Women and Children feigning illness and asked a female doctor for a foetus. The doctor said the department was out of stock but to come again. The next day the reporter returned at lunch time. The doctor eventually emerged from the operating theatre holding a fist size glass bottle stuffed with thumbsized foetuses. She said: ‘There are 10 foetuses here, all aborted this morning. You can take them. We are a state hospital and don’t charge anything. the restaurant guarantees that its babies are fresh, not frozen. ‘Normally, we doctors take them home to eat – all free. Since you don’t look well, you can take them.” CAN’T POST PHOTOS HERE, YOU LOOK UP THE PHOTOS OF FETUSES IN BOWLS OF SOUP & POTS COOKING!!

  • Az Apache Native

    BEFORE YOU POST DOUBT ABOUT CHINESE EATING THEIR UNBORN; DO YOUR HOMEWORK AND SEARCH IT OUT YOURSELF BLOGGERS. SHOULD WE THE PEOPLE BE NEGOTIATING WITH CANNIBALS AND PURCHASING THEIR GOODS? THE ROCKS UNDER OUR FEET WILL SOON CRY OUT!!!

  • Angel

    It sure is odd to see some many liberals pretending to be conservatives here. For example, many of you seem intend on legislating morality and curbing free speech. Since many of you seem opposed to murder, do you also support the Death Penalty? Are you upset at the thousands of deaths in Iraq since 2003 (Americans AND Iraqis)? Do you support legislation that justifies homicide in the case of imminent harm to a fetus, a law that critics believe may in effect legalize the murder of abortion providers?

    For the children born, do you support cuts in education, health care, environmental protections, etc.? For example, the Republican Party has also proposed eliminating more than $1 billion from Head Start’s budget. As a result, 157,000 children may go without preschool care.

    Your faux morality should not stop at the womb. Either you are a conservative or just another phony liberal in disguise – which is it?

    • JIBBS

      Did you know that not all kids go to pre-school. Hell, 40 years ago and longer, pre-school’s were very few and far between, if any.

      • Patty

        It is just another symtom of our society. Don’t have the child (gov’t. paid for abortpion), if you do, let someone else pay for it. Welfare, AFDC, child support, etc. etc. And before you mom’s get all agitated about child support. I am female. 1 child. I rec’d no support, but I have paid support. How about, you be responsible. Don’t bring anything into this world that you personally cannot support on your own. That is what I have lived by, that is what I taught my child and step-children. I would have liked to have had more children, but I know that 1 was all I could afford on my own.

    • meteorlady

      Name one redeeming social value that head start has give us? All it has done is take our tax dollars and spend it on something other than education and class room and school facilities. It takes more and more away from the real reason we are here, to educate.

  • Jay

    Well, its about time. Finally, some good news in the midst of all this chaos. But not really. Personally, I wouldn’t even consider offering the first option that would require clinics to provide only medication-induced abortion as opposed to surgical, also, which would include ultra sound images with the audio of the heart beat. What the hell is that? I was under the impression that the reason for denying planned parent hood funding was to stop the Genocide. This is nothing more then classic political bullsh#t. Appease all parties involved, that way everybody gets what they want. The abortionists get to satisfy their bloodlust and the naysayers are offered a less reprehensible technique by way of dispatching a life. Brilliant!! The same brilliant bullshit was used when the antismoking wars were going on. In the end, the antismoking crowd got smoking free public places, the smokers could still smoke but only outside, and the tobacco companies, after placing warnings labels on their merchandize, were allowed to continue selling their poison. Again, brilliant!!! Everybody got what they wanted. “They can have the opportunity to see the humanity of that unborn baby” To Representative Peggy Judd(R-Willcocks) I would ask, they got to you, didn’t they?

    As for the second bill, that would eliminate the income tax credit that individuals receive for making donations to planned parenthood, that is even more pathetic then the first. Is this the way we are going to induce people to regard human life as sacred by hitting them where it hurts, in the pocket book. Pathetic!

    Again, this is nothing more then a miserable and pathetic attempt on behalf of our government to hopefully appease both side with the express purpose of saving their shitty cowardly assess.

  • Merkelerk

    I believe in the right of a woman to have an abortion.
    In fact I believe every human has the right to do anything they want, so long as it does not interfere with the rights of another human.

    So go ahead, abort that unwanted human, just do it in such a way as to not interfere with her/his right to life (good luck with that). You also have the right to demand that I pay for it every bit as much as I have the right to tell you NO!

    • Jay

      Merkelerk, that is such a good statement! I’m glad that its been posted here.

  • Merkelerk

    I love Liberty, it’s just so… Liberating!

    By the way Karolyn, I sure am glad I don’t live in your “village”.

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