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Arizona Bill Outlaws Sexist, Racist Abortions

April 1, 2011 by  

Arizona bill outlaws sexist, racist abortionsArizona Governor Jan Brewer has signed a bill that makes it a Class 3 felony to abort a fetus because of its sex or race.

The legislation allows the father of the aborted baby, or the maternal grandparents if the mother is a minor, to sue abortion providers who perform the procedure because the mother preferred a baby of a different gender or race. The bill was signed by the Republican governor on March 29.

Supporters of the law said that it will help prevent impulsive abortions based on discrimination.

"Governor Brewer believes society has a responsibility to protect its most vulnerable — the unborn — and this legislation is consistent with her strong pro-life track record," said Brewer spokesman Matthew Benson, quoted by ABC News.

Critics of the measure argue that there is no proof abortions have been performed because a mother was unhappy with her unborn child's sex or ethnicity. Bryan Howard, the CEO of Planned Parenthood of Arizona, accused lawmakers of setting up another obstacle to abortion by creating "more fear and uncertainty for the medical professionals providing the care," according to the media outlet.

Meanwhile, Planned Parenthood, the nation's largest abortion clinic, has been exposed for providing false claims. During a recent appearance on The Joy Behar Show, Planned Parenthood CEO Cecile Richards claimed that millions of women would lose access to "basic family planning" and "mammograms" if Congress eliminates the organization's funding.

However, pro-life group Live Action made phone calls to 30 Planned Parenthood clinics in 27 different States, and not one location offered mammograms. Several staffers admitted that no Planned Parenthood clinic provides the cancer-screening procedure. 

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  • s c

    Arizonans could take this issue way beyond this level. To use a word that weasels on the port side of the political aisle love to use, an abortion amounts to a perverse form of ‘PROFILING.’
    If the people at Planned NonParenthood really cared about women, they’d offer their ‘services’ at NO COST. Somehow, I don’t think the ‘compassionate’ talking heads at Planned NonParenthood could bring themselves to do that.
    Pro-life people are obligated to point every flaw of the pro-death mentality. Abortion is a false panacea and has much in common with eugenics.
    People who truly care about others would never condone death-loving, Hitlerian eugenics. As long as Planned NonParenthood uses politics to promote Margaret Sanger’s beliefs and Hitler’s methods, America is not a moral nation and will pay a high price.

    • Jay

      What is tragic s c, the truth you just spoke, for their benefit i’m quite sure, will fall on deaf ears! Such is the state of the morally and spiritually bankrupt!

      • Robert Smith

        “Such is the state of the morally and spiritually bankrupt!”

        I’ll say, Jay!

        Look at the inquisitions, indulgences, the attacks on the reproductive rights, the attacks on assisted suicied (TWICE voted on in Oregon… What does that say about “state’s rights” from the rights, and about the majority and the right.

        Seems to me like the right is saying, “Do it your way as long as it agrees with us.”

        Taking free choice away from people that their god allegedly gave to them. Seems to me like the exteme right is trying to be their version of god.

        Rob

        • Jay

          robert, I have some good news, I think i’ve traced your genealogy! Is it possible you are related to these men? Let me know, i’m really excited for you!

          MENGELE, JOSEF: Known as the “angel of death” at the Auschwitz death camp, Dr. Mengele was in charge of medical experimentation on the prisoners. An abortionist in his later years in hiding in South America, his 1990′s reincarnation, Hillbillary Shaftem Mengele, is now president of the United States.

        • http://naver samurai

          You’re forgetting something moron. With our choices comes responsibilities. Personal responsibility is one of our founding principles. If you don’t want to get pregnant, don’t have sex. You should wait till you are married first before attempting such actions. Ooops! I forgot again that libs don’t believe in responsibility. 하나님 하고 나라를 위해서! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Denniso

            At first I thought the above comment was from Samuari’s wife,who doesn’t usually call people names,and I was surprised. But, I was relieved to see it’s just more of the same from the infamous husband,Samurai.
            This AZ law is about as ridiculous as I’ve ever heard of. Just another political stunt from the morally bankrupt rightwing in AZ,trying to stir up more unrest and division among the public. Jan Brewer is continuing to make a joke of AZ and costing the state millions a yr in lost business…

          • Dan az

            samurai
            I think there is no hope for such loser’s,If they think its OK to kill babies then they are the ones that will pay in the long run.How is it that these procedures dont bother them?
            Specific steps in the most commonly used partial-birth abortion procedure, Dilation and Extraction, are:
            1. A medical professional induces a breech (feet first) delivery with forceps.
            2. Legs, arms and torso of the fetus are delivered (i.e. expelled from the mother).
            3. The back of the fetus’ skull is punctured with a scissors-like instrument.
            4. A suction device is inserted into the skull.
            5. The device sunctions out the contents of the fetus’ skull, causing the skull to collapse.
            6. The lifeless fetus is delivered.
            They can say what ever they want to but the truth is Its murder!plain and simple!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Dan az,
            robert likes abortion as it takes the pen and checkbook out of his hands and no more chances of writting support checks!!1

          • Denniso

            You’re talking about the rare late term procedure,which is only used in the case of the life of the mother being at risk. Of course it sounds grim,as many things in life are.
            The pro choice position is simple and firm…NO ONE other than the woman,like it or not,has the right to force a woman to give birth or not. It is entirely her body and no person nor the State has any right over it.

            That’s the issue,it’s the woman’s body and the fetus/baby is hers and in her body. No man is qualified to force a woman to make a decision against her will. For supposed ‘freedom loving’ rightwingers to want the power of the state to interfere in a woman’s life is absurd.

          • Robert Smith

            Posted: “That’s the issue,it’s the woman’s body and the fetus/baby is hers and in her body.”

            Unless you are a freedom advocate from the extreme right. They all they wanna do is keep the woman pregnant until a birth occurs, even if it kills her or she strokes out to be a vegitable because of high blood pressure.

            Rob

          • Denniso

            Most of the rightwing doesn’t really care about unborn babies as they continually profess…their real motive is controlling women’s behavior,just as the hated Sharia Law does. The rightwing knows that the more they can restrict what women can do,the more it pushes them back into the box of the old testament,which essentially treated women like slaves…sex for the purpose of procreation only w/in marriage,women w/ so many children that they can’t work and have to resort to only staying at home. The Christian model of the pregnant wife in the home w/ the man making all the decisions for the family,just the way ‘God’ intended things.

            If the rightwing actually cared about babies and children then they would join liberals and others in trying to make things better for the already born who often exist in dire poverty and terrible families
            dealing drugs and addicted to alcohol/drugs and violence. How do they reconcile letting millions of innocent babies/children live in such conditions?

          • Robert Smith

            Hi, pleased to meet you. You posted: “How do they reconcile letting millions of innocent babies/children live in such conditions?”

            Simple. Once the babies are born then they are supposed to earn their keep. That’s why child labor laws are on the books. It keeps the entramanours from abusing even more people.

            Rob

          • Denniso

            The rightwing doesn’t understand that it’s the woman’s decision because it’s her body and her baby…they think the baby belongs to their god.

            Just as we don’t want swat teams from the state invading our homes, we also don’t want the power of the state to intrude on a woman’s control over her own body and life.

    • HHH

      S C: you are one irrational and sick dude!!

      • s c

        HHH, I am not a socialist, a communist, a fascist or a progressive. Ergo, I can’t be irrational or sick. You, however, may have those problems. I’m betting that you have NO idea WHO Margaret Sanger was and you couldn’t care less (right?). You haven’t a clue as to the Sanger-Hitler connection (right?). You have no idea what eugenics means (right?).
        Get an education. Until you are willing to stop “feeling” your way through life, you’ll always have your current problems. Get your head surgically removed from your lower quarters, and then come back and try to carry on an adult conversation. For now, you’re about as useful as a typical public high school graduate who plans to be a community organizer. What LOFTY goals you have!

        • Kate8

          sc – I totally agree with you. This makes about as much sense as hate crime legislation.

          By this rationale, it’s acceptible to kill the unborn if it is not racially or gender motivated. Just to kill because of inconvenience is fine, if you have no concern over those things.

          Dead is dead.

          Good grief.

        • Vigilant

          Ironically, Sanger was against abortion. I’m guessing that when Hitler adopted her position on eugenics, he probably felt, “why go through the procedure of abortion when you could more easily and cheaply put a bullet into someone’s head, or gas them to death.”

          • Robert Smith

            Bzzzzz, wrong. Sanger was for each woman deciding for herself. She was arrested and railroaded by Comstock who sent her to jail for offering women a choice.

            Why do you lie about her?

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Bzzzz wrong answer rob, moron! If she wasn’t a racist, then why does all her rantings and journals always talk about blacks and abortion? Could it be that she had some of the same beliefs Hitler did concerning manditory abortions for minorities? Get your facts straight before you post. 하나님 하고 나라를 위해서! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Vigilant

            From Wikipedia:

            “In a chapter from Woman and the New Race (1920) titled “Contraceptives or Abortion?,” Sanger wrote, “While there are cases where even the law recognizes an abortion as justifiable if recommended by a physician, I assert that the hundreds of thousands of abortions performed in America each year are a disgrace to civilization.”

            “Roger Streitmatter has claimed that Sanger’s opposition to abortion stemmed primarily from a concern for the dangers to the mother rather than moral issues. Nonetheless, in her 1938 autobiography, Sanger notes that her 1916 opposition to abortion was based on the taking of life: “To each group we explained what contraception was; that abortion was the wrong way—no matter how early it was performed it was taking life; that contraception was the better way, the safer way—it took a little time, a little trouble, but was well worth while in the long run, because life had not yet begun.”

            “In a 1916 edition of Family Limitation, Sanger advised women douche with boric acid and to take quinine to prevent implantation. She wrote further, “No one can doubt that there are times when an abortion is justifiable but they will become unnecessary when care is taken to prevent conception. This is the only cure for abortions.”

            Robert Smith, get your facts straight and your head out of your backside before you make unsubstantiated claims.

        • Robert Smith

          s c asks: “You haven’t a clue as to the Sanger-Hitler connection (right?). You have no idea what eugenics means (right?).”

          That is because there is zero connection between them that isn”t coincidental or made up out of whole cloth. Sanger was persicuted by the right AND prosicuted by the extreme right political machine jackass Comstock.

          Eugenics is selective breeding FORCED upon women. Sanger was definately in favor of women DECIDING FOR THEMSELVES.

          It is you who apparently wants to force breeding upon women, s c.

          With infant mortality for those who don’t have health care being relatively very high it is YOU who is forcing the poor to abort kids they can’t afford and don’t have a chance to live without health care.

          How can anyone claim to be “pro-life” and against health care, s c?

          Rob

          • Kate8

            Robert Smith – It is you who is not being truthful about Sanger. She was for the forced sterilization of “undesirables”, in order to diminish their numbers. Undesirables, in her mind, were the mentally feeble, as well as the ‘negro’ races.

            Eugenics promotes selective breeding.

          • Robert Smith

            Awww shucks, show where I am wrong in what I posted.

            BTW, do you approve of the gratuitous jabbering of samurai?

            Oh, and there is that question hanging: How can anyone claiming to be “pro-life” deny health care to anyone?

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Robert. you’re still being a moron! Health care and abortion are two different subjects. Once again you show how moronic you are by connecting health care to not being pro life. Pro life has to do with the protection and rights of the unborn and not health care. Care to cite a source on this factually unsound post that you have placed here? I guarantee there isn’t one. If there is, I’ll find ones that will put you to shame, so knock off the nonsense and stay off of the site. I suggest that you do some studying about Margaret Sanger. You may be surprised by what you find and not this being persecuted by the right nonsense. Get your facts straight before you post any more of these lies. 하나님 하고 나라를 위해서! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Kate8

            R S – That question has been discussed in past threads (healthcare/pro life).

            I don’t consider that one has anything to do with the other. I don’t believe in the allopathic healthcare system we have, either. I don’t use it – I am my own physician. If I can do it, so can you, if you but educate yourself a little. Plus, a bit of responsibility for one’s own state of health would go a long way. I can’t afford doctors, even if I wanted to, so your point is lost on me.

            You are one sad, messed up puppy.

          • Robert Smith

            From samurai: “Robert. you’re still being a moron!”

            Quit lying samura. Or does your god allow it? Isn’t it one of the big ten commandments?

            Or is your “religion” a right wing cafiteria approach so you can dominate others?

            Rob

          • Robert Smith

            Another lie from samurai: “Health care and abortion are two different subjects.”

            Let’s see if I can argue the same dumb way the extreme right does. I think I know how it works. Here we go…

            Legal abortions are done by a trained OBGYN DOCTORS in a proper medical facility. If it is causing harm to the woman insurance should pay for it.

            Although pregnancy is generally a sickness it certainly is an accident in many cases. So, the medical profession is quite prepared to fix the accident.

            Yup, done by doctors in a medical facility.

            It sure is health care, particularly if it endangers the woman in any way. That certainly includes her mental health. Remember, the end stage for depression is sadly all too often suicide.

            BTW, how does it feel putting enough pressure on a woman to remain pregnant that she kills herself? Does it make you proud that she died for having sex you didn’t think she should have?

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Bzzzzz wrong again moron! More women experience psychlogical problems, sometimes leading to suicide, by having abortions and not from childbirth. If a woman doesn’t want to get pregnant, then don’t have sex. You’re supposed to wait till you get married, then things like this are unlikely to happen. Get off of the rhetoric, inuendo, and lies. Personal responsibility, remember moron? The woman is to take responsibility to not get pregnant and if she does, then it is her responsibility to take care of it PERIOD! Remember moron, less than 1% of all abortions are because of rape, incest, or the life of the mother. 99% or more are because of the woman’s ignorance, inconvenience, selfishness. Also, they just don’t want to take the time to care for it. What wastes of skin. I remember raeding in an old book, “Woe unto them that harm the innocent, for it would be better that a millweight be placed around their neck and be cast into the sea.” Death by drowing would be a lesser punishment than the one God has waiting for them. Murder is murder, plain and simple. Get your facts straight before you post. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            Hi samurai,

            It’s interesting that as you deny women care that they too often die. This shows the necessity of universal health care. From: http://www.suicide.org/pregnant-women-suffer-from-depression-a-suicide-risk.html

            “Many Pregnant Women Suffer From Depression;
            Few Get Treatment; A Suicide Risk
            by Kevin Caruso

            A University of Michigan study indicates that 20 percent of pregnant women may suffer from depression, but few seek treatment.

            The study also found that pregnant women who had a previous history of depression (about 25 percent) are more than twice as likely as other women to suffer from depression during their pregnancy.

            And evidence suggests that depression can affect the unborn babies.

            Pregnant women who do not receive treatment for their depression are at a high risk for postpartum depression.

            Untreated depression and untreated postpartum depression can lead to suicide.

            And untreated depression is the main cause for suicide.

            Thus it is critical that all pregnant women receive immediate treatment for depression.

            If you are pregnant and think that you may have depression, please make appointments with a doctor and a therapist.

            And if you know anyone who is pregnant and who may be depressed, please get help for the person.

            A pregnancy should be a wonderful time in any woman’s life.

            And the joyous arrival of a baby should be cherished.

            So please get help now if you need it.

            Depression is highly treatable, and the vast majority of pregnant women who receive treatment for their depression get better.

            So if you are depressed, take action.”

            As you split hairs, samurai, women DIE. It’s that simple and IMO you need to take responsibility as you deny them care.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Why do you keep bringing up healthcare and abortion? They are two different subjects, so I shall not answer your questions until you grow some brains and understand what the article is about. Like I said, it’s her choice, it’s her child, it’s her responsibility, PERIOD! If your going to play, your going to pay! Enough said, moron! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Jay

        HHH, crawl back in your sewer, you filthy excrement!!!

        • Robert Smith

          Thanks for demonstrating the intelectual accutness of the extreme right, Jay.

          It goes a long way to demonstrate just who should not be in charge of telling women how to manage their own bodies.

          Again, thanks Jay.

          Rob

          • Jay

            My pleasure, robert..

          • http://naver samurai

            Take some of your own advice moron! 하나님 하고 나라를 위해서! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Vigilant

            “Thanks for demonstrating the intelectual accutness of the extreme right, Jay.”

            “intelectual accutness?” You’ve just proven that your own intellectual acuteness falls somewhat short of the mark.

      • http://naver samurai

        HHH, not the wrestler, I know for a fact that these postings you do are nothing short of moronic. Why waste our time by posting and by breathing air on this earth? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • who cares

          You rather the hitler way?

          • http://naver samurai

            If you knew your history, which it seems you don’t, Hitler believed in abortions among people who weren’t part of the “master race” moron. If you look at history, you’ll see he believed in this practice being forced upon people of East Europe. He said that they weren’t human and if they died, then so much the better for us. I guess you believe in the ways of Tiller “the baby killer” or Josef Mengele. Get your facts straight before you post, moron! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            From samurai: “Get your facts straight before you post, moron”

            Yes samurai, you should get your facts straight. Hitler’s SS went out to rape women and get the pregnant, and then they were forced to remain pregnant.

            Seems to me that if if you give the government control over women the get screwed all the way around, quite literally.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Wrong again rob, moron! You sound like the Dr. Mengele type. Remember, he would have Jewish women get pregnant for the practice of committing abortions. If the woman died, so what. That was his state of mind and all in the name of science. Rob, you are just as much a waste of skin as he was. 하나님 하고 나라를 위해서! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • http://personellibertydigest bill berk

      yeah ! Go Janet Go ;i’m finally seeing some real unwinding of baby murdering liberal mindset,those sick pukes will do anything for a vote,and the’ve taken a tragic toll on the real fabric of america .you are all i wish Sarah Palin could be ,but let’s face it she can’t display political moxy like so many wish she could ,self included .i really wish the best for you and all your political aspirations

      • who cares

        bill, Liberal are not the only one doing it dummy. If the study is correct 3/4 of white women and white teen-age have the most arbortion most of them come from the bible belt, and mid-west. lots of the teens practice anal sex pervent getting pregnant. Whats worse having a legal abortion or one of you nut cases murdering the doctors? One is legal the other is not.

        • http://naver samurai

          Care to cite some sources to back up that diaper load you just posted? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            Anal sex isn’t to prevent pregnancy. That’s where right wing nuts come from.

            Rob

          • Vigilant

            RS, that’s the type of response we’ve learned to suffer with from the pro-murder liberals like you. Long on insult, devoid of fact.

          • Robert Smith

            Do you mean like samurai and his wife.

            Why don’t you count the number of times each of them has put up such? Just for giggles toss in the one about sewer, etc.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            What’s the difference between rob and a puppy? The puppy stops whining when it grows up! Take the hint! 하나님 하고 나라를 위해서! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Hey Robert,
            Need a pen??? Go find your checkbook and I’ll lend you one!!!

          • Robert Smith

            Thenks for once again demonstrating just how bankrupt the extreme right is.

            Looks to me like you want to see women breed more slaves for your hateful god. Remember, the floods…?

            Rob

          • Robert Smith

            From samurai: “Pro life has to do with the protection and rights of the unborn and not health care.”

            In other words it’s OK with you for people to DIE because they didn’t get health care.

            Looks kinda greedy to me.

            How (your version) christian of you samurai.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Since you aren’t a Christian rob, you’ll never know. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • http://gunner689 gunner689

          Speaking for the right wing nuts; killing abortion doctors should be justifiable homocide. They are not doctors, they are legalized murders whose victims are the most innocent and vulnerable of all humans. I’ve asked this question before but never recieved an answer; would an inmate in a death camp be morally guilty of murder if he killed his guard / torturer ? Remember that the death camp is legal at the time.

          • Robert Smith

            How samurai’s version of christian of you, gunner.

            Rob

          • Robert Smith

            Aww gunner, there you go again arguing that old: “Meaningless question (“what happens when an irresistible force meets an immovable object?).”

            Gunner declares: “I’ve asked this question before”

            So? Not to me.

            “would an inmate in a death camp be morally guilty of murder if he killed his guard / torturer ? Remember that the death camp is legal at the time.”

            Ohhhhh, you’ve put in the context of mass murder. Oh that’s right “killing” by Hitler was “legal.” Certainly they can and should resist to any extreme against their captors. They are fighting against a corrupt mass murder and should folks fight back. In a corrrupt society, as Germany was at the time, they were rounded up (their liberty taken away, just as you want to commit 9 months to your wishes)

            Certainly they should and I’m optiimistic that Obama would too… Oh wait a second, that’s exactly what he is doing in Libia!

            Further, paleeze don’t try that stale oft repeated “it’s a defenseless baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It ain’t unless the woman carrying it wants it to be.

            See you’ve left HER out of your determination to dominate her to follow your beliefs.

            So your compaison doesn’t work. Women are BORN human beings, not slaves to your religion of breeding. You are capturnig them just as Hitler did those other BORN people.

            I sincerely hope you can learn the difference.

            Rob

          • libertytrain

            I wonder if Robert Smith posts on Muslim sites as well, defending the women who are forced to suffer under that religion. Does he say unbelievably insulting things to the Muslim people about their religion as well? Probably not, he probably wants to live.

          • Robert Smith

            Asked: “I wonder if Robert Smith posts on Muslim sites as well, defending the women who are forced to suffer under that religion.”

            Now, the American Taliban, the extremist right wing christian nuts, take up much of my time. BTW, do YOU support their anti-abortion efforts and go over there to tell them how right they are?

            Quite frankly I think the reich wing right here in America have killed too many born people and need to be exposed and their efforts to control America with their religion be thwarted.

            So, again, I answered your question. Now, are you actively supporting the muslum anti-abortion efforts?

            Rob

          • libertytrain

            Ah, I thought as much, you have chosen just one group of people that you have ignorantly classed together without any knowledge of all their personal beliefs – to do your mindless attacks against. I don’t even fit your description and neither do many of us, yet you still attack and accuse. You do however, lack the courage to go to the Muslims to further your cause for the women you purport to be defending. Pathetic.

    • http://naver samurai

      100% agree, fellow patriot! Keep up the good fight! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Robert Smith

        Sad samurai…

        A “patriot” as far as I can see is someone who denies freedom to another in America.

        You deny a woman her choice even if carrying further it will maim her.

        You deny anyone their choice of recrational drugs, unless it is that there christian drug of choice, alcohol.

        You deny same sex couples marriage, even though it makes no difference to you.

        Yup, those things don’t look patriotic to me.

        Rob

        • http://naver samurai

          Because those beliefs are not the way we were founded. They are opposite of anything moral, ethical, and Christian and have no place in this country. Like my wife said before, in the future these scars (the subjects that you always bring up) will be erased from the American landscape. 하나님 하고 나라를 위해서! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            You just don’t get it samurai.

            You claim to be a “patriot.” As far as I can see you appear to be someone who denies freedom to another in America.

            Why do you deny women choice? Are you smarter than they are? My opinion is you aren’t. Are you more “moral” than they are? IMO, not. No one who advocates for such a brutal god should consider themselves “moral.”

            Further, as you deny a woman her choice even if carrying further it will maim her you are deomnstrating first a lack of concern for HER life. Pro-life is such a sham.

            You deny anyone their choice of recrational drugs, unless it is that there christian drug of choice, alcohol.

            You deny same sex couples marriage, even though it makes no difference to you.

            Yup, those things don’t look patriotic to me.

            Yup, even revisiting it you appear to be nothing but a right wing hypocritical jerk.

            Rob

          • mark

            The principals that the USA was founded on ! Does that includ: 1. the principle of GENOCIDE, lets kill the Native Americans and take their land. 2. The principle of Slavery,. 3. The principle of Segregation!. Not alot to be proud of unless you are a white conservative Racist.

          • Robert Smith

            Interesting: “The principals that the USA was founded on!

            Considering that the right is working so hard to inherit the work of the founding fathers and claim it as their own it sure looks like they might be related.

            “1. the principle of GENOCIDE, lets kill the Native Americans and take their land.”

            I have to agree with that one. In fact it was a lack of health care that killed the American Indians. Sickness killed more American Indians than guns. The early (mostly religions) setlers even helped it along with germ warfare by giving them infected blankets.

            They also tried to wipe out the “witches” in places like Salem, MA.

            “2. The principle of Slavery,.”

            That was very christian back then. They even had special “christian” catichism for slaves binding them to their owners.

            “3. The principle of Segregation!.”

            True, but some of us got over that. George Wallace was the best example. For the last couple of elections he was in blacks were a very strong block voting for him.

            “Not alot to be proud of unless you are a white conservative Racist.”

            Yup.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Those things are off subject mark, so take your moron self and go somewhere else. Rob, you’re still a traitor and a moron! The only choice a woman has is to have sex or not. If they do and something happens, like a pregancy, they are to stand up on their hind legs and take responsibility for what they did and for the child they are going to have. Mark, there is no secular humanism in our founding or our founding documents. I suggest that you read our history and get off of the lib bandwagon. You’re as big a traitor as rob the moron! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            samurai says: “The only choice a woman has is to have sex or not.”

            In your religion, samurai, in your religion.

            Others have different religions that don’t have objections to sex outside marriage.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Cite your source, moron! Oh, I keep forgetting, for you to cite a source I’d be able to prove you wrong and win again. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • GregS

      Excellent post, s c!

  • bob wire

    Sounds like something that would be very difficult to prove and enforce while very noble. I believe family and church are better equipped and more suited to address the moral aspects and not small ~ but more personally intrusive government.

    • Karolyn

      Absolutely, Bob.

  • Larry and Beth

    Another intrusion into the personal lives of people by the Government. Abortion should not be used as a method of Birth Control, however it is a womans right to chose whether we agree with her decision or not. I dont see the Live Action group taking care of all the unwanted children in this country either.

    • Doc Sarvis

      I’m with you on this. I also think that the “men” who put these women into the position of having to make this decision have the very same amount of responsibility for the situation. Unfortunately, few of them stand up to take the responsibility/anguish.

      • Vigilant

        Now, Doc, that’s what I call a sexist statement if I’ve ever seen one.

        “..the “men” who put these women into the position of having to make this decision…?” You make it sound like all women are raped.

        Moreover, if you think these men who “put these women into the position of having to make this decision have the very same amount of responsibility for the situation,” then, logically, you must agree that a father who wishes to have his mate give birth to the child has some say in the matter. You can’t have it both ways.

        • Robert Smith

          Of course YOUR way is that if she gets pregnant she stays pregnant. All that you leave is who is going to pay for it for the rest of his or her life with the one certainty that it won’t be you.

          You want it YOU pay for it. That’s being responsible for your advocacy. You order a woman to stay pregnant they stand up for your belief.

          BTW, how can anyone call theselves “pro-life” and deny universal health care?

          Rob

          • Jay

            robert, there’s no such thing as staying pregnant, eventually there’s the birth process? Just trying to help out..

          • Kate8

            Robert Smith – You are a broken record. We’ve had these discussions time and again, with full explanation of the conservative position on these issues.

            You are, apparently, incapable of comprehending. It’s just not worth going over it with you again. It seems that it is just an exercise in futility.

            I wish you’d just stay under whatever rock you crawl under. Your posts are annoying and offensive.

          • Robert Smith

            “Your posts are annoying and offensive.”

            Naw, if I wanted to be offensive I’d start talking about how you worship a dead guy on a stick and then brag and argue about how YOUR way is right as it literally takes away the free choice your god gave human beings.

            Oh, and then there is all that blatering from your side supporting the flooding of the world killing milllions, the destruction of cities (I’m still wondering what “gamority” is. I don’t want to miss anything).

            Oh that story of Lot and his young girls that he offered to the mob, and then literally screwed them. That was allegedly unknowing, but when I or anyone I know gets that drunk that they forget they weren’t able to do the deed. Someone is lying.

            Rob

            Rob

          • Kate8

            Robert – You take all the pleasure out of this blogsite. You are mean-sprited, nasty, judgmental, condescending and crude. Besides that, you have no idea what you are talking about.

            Your posts are SO obnoxious that they really don’t deserve response.

            You disgust me.

          • http://naver samurai

            Way too much kool aid on a daily basis! Can’t you do something besides sound like the perverbial “broken record” on this site? You are always befreft of information and full of BS and inuendo. You said once that you had a skill for posting, it sure the h*** don’t look like it to me. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            Awww kate and samurai…

            Why don’t you try actually dealing with an issue rather than finding new ways to call people “moron?” Ohhhhh, I get it you are bankrupt of any logical arguments so all you can do is call others names and call it a baaaaaaaabe.

            Kate, got any facts? Looks like MY posts are being tagged with two or three right wing name calling gibberish rather than you laying any facts on this board.

            Besides, lurkers know the difference between mean spirited name callers (samurai and his “moron” effort is an excellent example) and facts.

            Good luck with your dead guy on a stick. If that’s all you got I’ll give you a clue: He’s been MIA for about 2,000 years.

            Believe and you will see is backwards.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            This comming from someone who constantly calls people liars and brings in items that aren’t the subject at hand? Take some of your own advice. You are the one bringing hate and discontent to the table and not us. Get your facts straight before you post, moron! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        The men who want to take the responsibility don’t have the legal right to stop the abortion of their child. Despite popular opinion, not all men are unfeeling cretins.

        • Robert Smith

          But they are kinda dumb if they don’t ask the woman BEFORE if she will give him permission to incubate “his” baby.

          Besides, his contribution to the effort is one sacred sperm with only information about half the DNA needed.

          She has all that another (if it’s your way) a person needs to live for 9 months.

          Shucks, how would you feel if a “person” came into your home for a party and announced that they were going to stay for 9 months and you would have to supply all of their needs for 9 months. I’ll bet if the law didn’t get them out you would shoot them for taking from you what you don’t want to give. Why do you give another permission to steal from a woman who doesn’t want to donate to what you believe in?

          Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Way off of subject, moronic, and not even worthy of an answer. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            Really samurai…

            Why are you so determined to overlook a “born” person remaining in your hose long after their welcome has expired, but at the same time you call what’s gestating a “person?”

            Aren’t people people, no matter how old they are according to your gibberish?

            Ohhhhh, I get it… You get to call people “off topic” if they don’t go chapter and verse with your beliefs. AND! you take the freedom to call them names!

            Shuks samurai, if you can’t see it I don’t care, but if you advocate freedom on one hand hand (the right to protect your home and not allowing moochers to stay) the imposed slavery on the other as you advocate for pregnant women (being pregnant and supplying all but the one sacred sperm) to be enslaved by their pregnancy it appears to me to me like you are talking out of both sides of your mouth with a forked tongue.

            If you say one thing IMO you should be standing up for the same thing when circumstances change. Of course that’s MY opinion. Your version of christanity and that brutal god you claim loves you sure doesn’t appear to have consistant rules.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Like I said before, way off of subject. I guess you won’t let anything stand in the way of a good rant, now will you moron? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            Nice to see you being the “Subject Police” samurai. Is that self appointed or can anyone wihtout comprehention be appointed?

            Rob

    • always right

      Larry/Beth say:

      “Another intrusion into the personal lives of people by the Government…it is a womans right to chose whether we agree with her decision or not. I dont see the Live Action group taking care of all the unwanted children in this country either.”

      larry & beth, YOU’RE BOTH NAUSEATING! So it isn’t an “intrusion into somebody’s life to jam scissors through the back of their skull & use vacuum to suck out their brains? How about to dismemember them with sharp instruments while still alive, then suck up their shredded body parts? Can you in any way define how that isn’t That kind of intrusion isn’t “intrusion into the personal lives of people” to you? You can’t use the “not consciously aware” because that old argument has been proved wrong time and time again. Besides, if that was the case we could do that to you on any given day. It’s too bad that, since you’re big proponents of baby mutilation killings, that your parents didn’t choose that option. You’re disgusting, disgusting, disgusting creatures; absolute ZEROES as “human beings”.

      I think it should be the BABY’S right to choose. Would you choose death for yourselves? Then why is it OK to choose death for another who also wants to have the right to grow up and have a life, just like you? Here’s an idea for you: DON’T GET PREGNANT IN THE FIRST PLACE! Before it became legal to murder babies because they’re inconvenient, fewer women got pregnant. Now that we have people like you (the modern version of Stalin & Hitler; fans of mass-murder or innocents) people take fewer precautions, so not only are we murdering millions, they’re spreading terminal illnesses at the same time. There is NOTHING good about people with you mindset; NOTHING! Dealing with people like you makes me want to vomit. I think I need a showeer after this. I feel contaminated by your presence.

      • Carol

        Maybe fewer women got pregnant because there were fewer women at the time. How many women get pregnant because the man in her life forces it. I know personally that this happens. How about the women who will die if they continue a pregnancy? Typical drivel from an obvious male. You made remarks in your answer which weren’t even mentioned by Larry and Beth. If you had your way I’d have died 35 years ago, and my then 3 year old, who had a hole in his heart would have been at the mercy of the foster system. YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO TELL ME HOW I LIVE!!!!!

        • Jonathan

          Souds like [offensive word removed]. Women have enough methods to halt a pregnancy or prevent getting pregnant in the first place. Women ought to take responsibility for that instead of using the cheap method.

          The overwhelming majority of all abortions are done because a baby is ‘inconvenient’. A lifestyle choice and a selfish one at that too. A choice that often testifies of irresponsibility. Women aren’t getting pregnant due to force that much as pro-abortionists try to have everybody believe. And even if you do, you can use a morning after pill… But if you don’t do that, then you can’t act as if abortion is your only option as if you had no say in the situation.

          • Jonathan

            As for abortion due to life endangerment, I doubt people will penalize you for not dieing. But this does still not excuse those ‘lifestyle’ abortions for the sake of convenience.

          • Robert Smith

            Let’s watch Jonathan’s drivil and try to make sense out of it from the right: “Women ought to take responsibility for that instead of using the cheap method.”

            And why do you demand that any woman have to pay for something because YOU want her to allegedly for the good of American society? That looks to me like a tax.

            Rob

          • Jay

            Jonathan, haven’t you heard, there is a rape epidemic of biblical proportions and on a massive and world wide scale? Don’t you watch CNN? robert and karolyn are right, i mean left, anyways, if we don’t proceed with all out abortions, we risk the chance of bringing more rapists into the world. Jonathan, robert and karolyn are just thinking ahead and for the good of society!!!

        • Kate8

          Carol – When I was young, pregnancy out-of-wedlock was frowned upon, and abortions were not easy to get. I promise you, such pregnancies were fairly rare. Usually the girl was sent to live with an “aunt” for a time.

          Moral codes are for keeping order in society, and for protecting children from starting out with several strikes against them, like having an unwed, impoverished mother.

          Now that sex is viewed as entertainment, and encouraged among the youngest of our youth, they have been convinced that the unborn are of no real value. This takes the value of all humanity down a few notches.

          • http://naver samurai

            100% agree. Keep up the good fight, fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            From Kate8: “Carol – When I was young, pregnancy out-of-wedlock was frowned upon,…”

            I can’t understand. I’m totally baffeled. Why does using one’s personality as birth control come to mind, Kate?

            Rob

        • http://gunner689 gunner689

          if you feel that way I suggest you persue a career in prostitution; it’s your body, right ?

          • Robert Smith

            If it is among consenting adults I’m ok with prostitution. I’ve never felt any urge to participate in such, but hey… To each his or her own.

            Besides, I’m willing to donate my services for free if she’s in tune with what I believe. Sex is fun.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Then rob is willing to go to jail for a one night stand with a prostitute. What a moron! No morals or ethics. Not a good picture of an American. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Angel

        I am so with you always right. I hear people time and time again say that we are not and never have been a Christian Nation. I beg to differ. The Constitution is based on biblical principles. All you have to do is read it to figure that one out. Ever since they began indoctrination of our children, taking morality out of the public square that aided in furthering the moral decline of America.

        Sex, rape, molestation, abortion….we need to get back to the Lord and all His commands and I am afraid we are way too late for that. The Lord has set the stage for His return and I so welcome it!

        • http://naver samurai

          100% agree. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Bacon

          America was never a Christian country, (offensive word removed)! Only conservatives say that in an attempt to deprive us of our civil rights.

          • Bacon

            Oh, yeah! Fetuses aren’t people at all until it reaches the 3rd trimester, so I think this is a very stupid law.

          • http://naver samurai

            First, get off of the kool aid. Second, we were founded a Christian nation, moron! Even the Declaration of Independence says “endowed by their Creator..” Creator is another word for God. Third, the term fetus means young one or young person. Get your fact straight before you post moron! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Kate8

            Bacon – You are a sad example of the disgusting depravity that has become the mainstream in America. You have no respect, no sense, and no civility – what is known as ‘gutter mentality’.

            You are also a product of progressive revisionist history. If you hand any knowledge of history at all, you’d know that what you’ve been force-fed in school is yet another repeat of a communist tactic to bring down a nation. Judging by the numbers of those who think like you, and the state of our country, they’ve succeeded very well.

            I’m surprised your post wasn’t removed.

          • Kate8

            Bacon – the only positive effect abortion has had on this country is that, had we NOT had it, there would be even millions more who think like you.

            To bad your mom didn’t avail herself of that service. She, obviously, wasn’t into raising an asset to society.

          • Vigilant

            Bacon says (with my own revision), “America was never a Christian country, (word deleted)! Only conservatives say that in an attempt to deprive us of our civil rights.”

            (1) Your abysmal lack of historical knowledge must mean you have been indoctrinated by the public so-called “education” system.”

            (2) The evidences of Judeo-Christian heritage in our founding are voluminous: the words on our coins, Congressional prayer, the many inscriptions on our monuments, the thousands of speeches and written works of important American figures, the pledge of allegiance, the refences to divinity in the Declaration of Independence, official seals of municipalities, the Ten Commandments in the Supreme Court of the US, etc., etc. If you can’t see this, you are in a state of denial.

            (3) Tell us upon which principles was this nation founded: Muslim? Buddhist? Hindu? Shinto? Scientology?

            (4) You speak highly of civil rights. Do you know where they come from? Do you know which religion is substantially based on the principle of free will, and therefore freedom? Would Sharia Law be better for you?

            Idiots like you are the reason this nation was founded in the first place.

          • Jay

            crispy bacon, do you suffer from dementia?

        • Robert Smith

          From Angel: “The Constitution is based on biblical principles.”

          And so are many other countries. Being good and civil to each other is the basis of many successful societies.

          I think that your holy book, as you call it the bible, is based upon the good things humans have been going since the beginning. Of course there is a lot of horror in it too. I find it sad that your evil god has to keep his followers scared.

          BTW, can you show us any quotes from your bible in our Constitution?

          Rob

          • Vigilant

            “Based on biblical priciples” and “quoting the Bible” in the Constitution are two different things, idiot.

            What are you trying to imply?

            Unlike you, the Founders understood the precious value of religious tolerance, something you wouldn’t understand. It’s not enough for you people to live and let live, you feel compelled to denigrate Christianity at every turn. In some circles, that’s called “persecution.”

          • http://naver samurai

            Sounds like rob is leading his own personal crusade against God, Jesus, the Bible, and anything Christian for satan himself. Don’t say that satan is a Christian thing as the Jews and Muslims believe in him also. Get your facts straight before you post, moron! You wonder why I call you a moron all the time? It’s not because of you personally, but it is because of all the BS that you post. If you would post some real facts, intellectual sites, and quit calling someone a liar because they believe differently than you do, you would be more believeable. Even the libs on this site don’t even back you up because of you being so moronic in nature. The only one I’ve seen back you up was your boy toy coal dungger. Get the point? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            From Vigilant: “Unlike you, the Founders understood the precious value of religious tolerance,”

            What’s intolerant by telling you to stay away from women and you taking away their freedom?

            Looks to me you you want to FORCE through law women to adopt the tennants of YOUR religion.

            Clue: That’s intolerant. Even if your religion says it isn’t YOU are trying to FORCE your religion upon others.

            In America of all places.

            Did you know that Jefferson cut Jesus out of his bible?

            Rob

          • Vigilant

            Our resident idiot says, “Did you know that Jefferson cut Jesus out of his bible?”

            Wrong again. Jefferson had the utmost respect for the teachings of Jesus, so much so that returned to the New Testament many times during his life for guidance.

            Get your facts straight, RS. Jefferson was a Deist who rejected the supernatural aspects of Christianity, but found gold in the words of Jesus. He took scissors to the parts of the NT that dealt with the supernatural references, but left the wise counsel and moral guidance of Christ in the pages. He had this “Jefferson Bible” printed up, and it was given to new Congressmen for over a 100 years.

            Your purposeful willingness to distort the truth calls ALL of your contentions into question.

          • libertytrain

            Vigilant – your description was perfect. I daresay he does not go on Muslim sites to defend their women, nor does he post incredibly rude statements against the Koran on websites either.

          • http://naver samurai

            100% correct Vigilant! That’s comming from a historian and history teacher. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Robert Smith

          Angel says: “Sex, rape, molestation, abortion….we need to get back to the Lord and all His commands and I am afraid we are way too late for that. The Lord has set the stage for His return and I so welcome it!”

          He will find his priests in court houses around America. But, I’ve heard that he works on sinners and offers forgiveness. Why it is good to forgive a child molester is a good thing, but I guess that’s the way the game is played for some christians.

          Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Too much lib kool aid on a daily basis. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            samurai, your version of a christian god has been missiong in action for a couple of thousand years. I aian’t expecting him now.

            He didn’t stop you christian inquisition, he didn’t stop either of the great world wars, and he didn’t stop an earthquake in Hati or Japan.

            Was you your prayers he answered to do all that harm?

            Rob

      • Robert Smith

        Posted: “Here’s an idea for you: DON’T GET PREGNANT IN THE FIRST PLACE!”

        Well…. Planned Parenthood does an excellent job of educating women about their fertility and how to prevent pregnancy.

        How about AGE APPROPRIATE sex education in our schools?

        How about a way to buy birth control devices without a stigma being branded in by the extreme right and religious nuts?

        Rob

        • http://naver samurai

          How about waiting till you get mattied like you should do? How about teaching children about abstenece? How about defunding planned parenthood and reinstilling moral, ethical, and Christian beliefs? How about instead of handing out birth controll to children (which you seem to favor moron!) tell them to wait till they are married. Doing this will p[revent things like this from happening. How about instead of relying on planned parenthodd for advice (a place that lied about the mamograms it performed and how Obama bin Laden is circumventing the Hyde Amendment to fund it and how many abortions it performs each year), have this advice be given to them by loving parents> Sotty moron, but your arguement doesn’t hold water! 하나님 하고 나라를 위해서! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            From samurai who asks: “How about waiting till you get mattied like you should do?”

            Because not everyone believes as you do. Most folks in this society are united that kids shouldn’t be the target of sex, unlike some girl who got knocked up while she was single by that older guy you call “god.” Guess the rules ain’t the same for him as you believe his followers, and those who don’t follow that brutal rapist god, should be.

            More from samurai: “How about teaching children about abstenece?”

            I think abstenence is excellent. I also think that age appropriate sex education should be complete. ALL aspects should be taught, not just one sided religious dogma.

            ” How about defunding planned parenthood”

            Because PP PEVENTS more unwanted pregnancies than any other organizations with education and ways to get the stuff needed to not get pregnant. Stuf like (in no particular order) diaphrams, condoms, IUDs, the pill, etc. If you want less abortions make sure age appropriate information gets out about birth control.

            samurai continues blathering: “and reinstilling moral, ethical, and Christian beliefs?”

            For those who want to run their lives that way fine.

            For the rest of us there is still morality. I, not speaking for any other, believe that the “moral” thing to do is to respect each adult in decisions about them defending themselves (gun control), sexual issues, recreational drugs, abortion, marriage (age appropriate), etc. To deny any American, or human being for that matter, the freedom to make their own choices is immoral.

            More from samurai. Where will it end?: “How about instead of handing out birth controll to children (which you seem to favor moron!)”

            Quit lying. I hear that is immoral in most religions. I’ve stated my position many times with (age appropriate) noted. Why do you lie about my position?

            Here samurai goes again: “tell them to wait till they are married.”

            If your god made sex feel so good why deny it? What do you want to deny something that feels so good? Is it a control issue or something else samurai?

            “Doing this will p[revent things like this from happening.”

            Oh boy, here comes a list of alleged evils… Let’s watch.

            “How about instead of relying on planned parenthodd for advice (a place that lied about the mamograms it performed”

            Nope, that is another right wing lie, samurai. Many PP locations have their own web pages. It’s easy for the extreme right to call locations they already know doesn’t have the local equipment.

            However, many locations do. Check this one out:
            “Susan G. Komen Foundation

            Through a grant from the local Central Texas Affiliate of the Susan G. Komen Foundation, Planned Parenthood in Waco provides life-saving mammogram screening and abnormal mammogram follow-up diagnostic testing for low-income women.

            You may qualify for a free mammogram if you are:
            age 40 or over and never had a baseline mammogram
            uninsured, low-income have had a recent gynecological exam
            If you are under 40 and have a breast problem with a history of breast cancer in your immediate family, you may also be eligible to participate in the program.

            If an abnormal mammogram is detected, funding for further diagnostic testing is available.

            Breast and Cervical Cancer Screening

            The Breast and Cervical Cancer Services program (BCCS) offers clinical breast examinations, mammograms, pelvic examinations, and Pap tests throughout Texas at no or low-cost to eligible women. The goal of Texas’ BCCS is to reduce mortality from breast cancer and cervical cancer in Texas.”

            IOW, many PP locations DO provide health care the right wing is denying to many women.

            “and how Obama bin Laden is circumventing the Hyde Amendment to fund it and how many abortions it performs each year),”

            PP is also privately funded. Not a nickl of government money has gone into non-emergency abortions.

            Oh, that’s right I’v seen on this forum extremists who advocate that abortions should not be available if the woman is gonna die. How shameful to any “religion” that a born person would be made to die for another’s religion.

            Rob

          • libertytrain

            I’ve noticed on this forum that most people agree abortion is an option if the woman is going to die during the course of the pregnancy, and I’ve noted that women I know that have been in that unfortunate position, choose the opportunity of life for their child over their own. But that is in “agreement” with your logic, that only the woman can choose. So it is their right to choose their life or death of their physical body if necessary.

          • http://naver samurai

            Rob, I do applaud your giving of information, though your morals are still incorrect for this society. As I’ve said before, keep the human secularism out of your postings. There is no such thing as lying around with whomever you want. Keeping out Christianity, you know such things are immoral, unethical, and are looked down upon in this country. That’s why girls who do this are called ho, whore, slut, easy, etc. You that’s true, so quit lying. Second, what you call right wing lies are true. Planned Parenthood was busted on undercover video recording committing sex trafficking, lied about the amount of abortions they performed (A report MUST be handed into the CDC every year by law), and mammograms were also lied about (Another fact from an undercover investigation), so why do you say that we are lying when this information is on any report to the CDC or are on video taped conversations at their offices? Why would former Planned Parenthood Centers have director defecting from Planned Parenthood and becomming pro life warriors? Some because they were told they had to witness an abortion to be in their position to know how it was performed and what a woman goes through. I guess you want to leave out the facts that 17% – 20% of all women who have abortions, have trouble getting pregnant later on, carrying a baby to term, or become infertile. The most common problem is that during an abortion the cervix is damaged and presents these problems. More of them are that they are 4 – 5 times more likely to become alcoholics. They tend to suffer more from post pardem depression than women who went through childbirth. You also forgot to mention that abortion just leads to more abortion. Did you also tell that 47% of all women from 15 – 44 years old that have had an abortion have had at least 1 previous abortion? Did you tell about how everyday in America, One nation under God, that 3315 babies are killed by these doctors and their mothers are no better than accomplices? Did you tell them about how more than 50 million abortions have been performed in this country? If these abourtions wouldn’t have been done, we would have the workforce that we need for our factories and businesses. They may even be serving in Congree or the Senate or whatever profession they chose. If you don’t believe me, just look at this:

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOR1wUqvJS4

            You have to look at both side of the issue before jumping on the lib, gay loving, baby killing, marxist bandwagon. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Robert Smith

        always right says: ” So it isn’t an “intrusion into somebody’s life to jam scissors through the back of their skull & use vacuum to suck out their brains?”

        NO, it isn’t an “intrusion.”

        It isn’t a “person” anymore than an acorn is a tree. (Let’s watch the right wing gang attack again. Last time I pointed out that an acorn isn’t a tree. They will personalize it and generally heap abuse and praise upon those who abuse.)

        As a matter of fact the acorn can take care of all the needs it has. The tree casts it off and the tree is done. A fetus must remain with the woman for 9 months.

        Rob

        • http://naver samurai

          Sorry, but wrong again moron! The term fetus means young one or young person. I get this information from Noah Webster’s Dictionary, but where are you getting your lies that you post here? 하나님 하고 나라를 위해서! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            If it’s inside HER she decides what it is and what is going to occur.

            BTW, why do you lie about my position? My position is that SHE decides about her own body. In America it shouldn’t be sold out to a bunch of relilgious bullies.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            It shouldn’t be left to extremist like the libs we have now or anyone like Margaret Sanger, now should it moron? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • http://?? Joe H.

          robert,
          yup, an acorn isn’t a tree, and you aren’t a man!!! In fact, you aren’t even human!!!!

          • Robert Smith

            There goes Joe again with attacks and absolutely no contribution to the issue.

            It’s no wonder that some are inspired by such nonsense that they go out and shoot born people.

            Rob

      • Karolyn

        What’s wrong with death?

        • Robert Smith

          What’s wrong with death?

          Interesting question. If the “heaven” is so great then why don’t all the right wingers just go?

          Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Then why don’t you off yourself and die? I’m sure satan himself will open the door for you. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            samurai, please quit splattering you religion around. Let’s watch: “I’m sure satan himself will open the door for you.”

            Nope. satan is a creation of christanity. Other religions advocate the concept of a hell and management there. It’s used to scare the weak into following as the flock.

            That prompts me to ask, “How does it feel being scared of your god?” Fear is not love IMO.

            Clue: I have no belief in your satan. Use him to scare your kids but it doesn’t work for me. MOF, I consider bringing kids up in such a fearful environment to be evil and immoral.

            I feel sad for anyone who has to make his kids fearful.

            Rob

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Bzzzzz wrong again, moron! You must know that the Jews and Muslims also believe in satan. Ergo, you’re wrong again. Second, it also says to honor your mother and father. Honor means to respect and obey your parents. Just think Rob, if your mother were still alive and asked you to do something, you would have to do it. Fearing God can also mean honoring Him, respecting and obeying Him. People like you Rob are getting to be a dying breed. With all the new laws comming out to regulate, thus make it harder to get, abortion, there may not be any abortion on demand in the future. You said before that everyone who performs abortions are OB/GYN? Where do you get your false information? The person that was arrested in Philadelphia wasn’t a doctor, ergo you’re wrong again. I like it when you post. It’s so easy to cut through all of your lies and tell you the truth. Lost another battle there Rob, quitting now? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Vigilant

          “What’s wrong with death?”

          Strange question, since I don’t recall ever hearing an argument about the morality of death. I’ve heard many arguments about the immorality of murder, though.

          • Robert Smith

            Why would you deny any adult making their own choices?

            Have you made out your living will?

            Rob

          • Vigilant

            “Why would you deny any adult making their own choices?”

            Our whole system of proscriptive law does just that. Unless you’re an anarchist and believe that an adult choosing to murder, rape, or mug someone should be legal.

            When laws are based on atheistic humanism and not the firm anchor of moral precepts, you end up with a society that has no respect for life. Pro-abortion laws and health care rationing are examples of a society that has lost its way.

          • http://naver samurai

            Good post Vigilant! Keep up the good fight, fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Conservative United

      ALL ABORTION IS MURDER!!!

      • http://personellibertydigest bill berk

        i’m the father of two children that seemed inconvenient at the time ,two different mothers ,both welfare minded to the the point i believe they would have performed their own abortions and consumed baby and afterbirth had the state not been so eager to offer living expenses at tax payer or working persons expense ,that being said, it takes a mom and dad to make a baby .where is the dads ‘” choice ‘in the aborttion equation .i mean legally .yep you guess. it ain’t happening

        • who cares

          bill, To begin with welfare is not free each of us pay into it from taxes we pay. General relief (GR) is not free either is paid back from your SSI. Whats wrong with collecting welfare are we not land of the free for free the wealthy and rich folk recieve welfare to, tax exemption, subsidies, low very low enterest loans I don’t hear any of you complaining about that! Remember last election democract wanted to tax them fairly, but some of you and G.O.P. went bananas over the idea because they produce jobs. Where are the jobs? Bill, it’s okay nothing wrong getting welfare your family and kid have to eat.

          • http://naver samurai

            Cite your sources! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            Are you denyinig that the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer?

            Are you denying that the U.S. is so screwed up with health care that it is on the same level with communist Cuba?

            BTW, how can you claim “family values” when you are willing to keep a child from his father after the mother dies? Actually the mother of Elion put the kid’s life in danger out in the water. She almost KILLED her BORN baby. I should think that you would be outraged, but the right wanted to keep the kid from his father.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Sorry rob, wrong again. Remember, it was Bill Clinton and Janet Reno that had INS agents break into the house Ellian was staying at, grabbed him at gunpoint, and forced him into a van waiting outside. They then sent him back to his father in Cuba, where he and his father were hailed as heroes by Castro. The right wanted him to stay and live in America and become an American in the future. Get your facts straight befoe you post! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            Posted: “The right wanted him to stay and live in America and become an American in the future.”

            It’s immoral to lie.

            In Arizona there is discussion of being able to shoot illegals. That kid was just as illegal as any wetback.

            Don’t lie about how the right wants to treat illegals.

            I figure that without all the publicity you would respect that illegal just like any other. It’s like “Pro-Life” in the context of health care. It just isn’t real.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Bzzzzz wrong again moron! One, healthcare isn’t the issue and has nothing to do with being pro life. Why do you keep lying about that? Like you said, it’s immoral to lie. Two, if an alien comes from Cuba, if they reach dry land they are allowed to stay. Ergo, Ellian reached dry land as was allowed to stay. If you kept track of what was going on at the time, which I doubt, the ones you saw in support of Ellian on the news were people to the right of center. By doing this thing against Ellian, Clinton cost the DEM in Florida to lose all of the votes from the Cuban community. Then, there was Ruby Ridge where the DEM (Janet Reno) gave orders to shoot and a mother and baby were killed on their watch. Then, there was Waco, where many more died on their watch. Then there were the ones that knew about the White Water Scandal and they ended up dying on their watch. I guess the DEM believes in actiong like the SS during the time of the Third Reich. Once again moron, your posting doesn’t hold water. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Vigilant

      “…however it is a womans right to chose whether we agree with her decision or not.”

      Notwithstanding the Roe vs. Wade decision, I would like to know why you don’t subscribe to the expression of Natural Law that “LIFE, liberty and the pursuit of happiness” applies to all human beings, including the child in the womb.

      • Robert Smith

        Hey Vigilant: “applies to all human beings, including the child in the womb.”

        Prove it is a “child.”

        L. Ron Hubbard got “brain waves” off a tomato plant.

        A “beating heart” is after many fertalizations and before birth.

        There are many things that grow inside the human body. Sometimes that merciful barbaric god of yours finds something so bad that a miscarrage happens. Yup, your god seems to be the biggest abortionist of all.

        Rob

        • Jay

          and roberto says: Yup, your god seems to be the biggest abortionist of all.

          If that were true, and you truly believe that, roberto, why aren’t you running to the nearest church shouting “hallelujah”?

          • Robert Smith

            Because I don’t want you, your evil god (if he is real), or anyone else deciding for any woman.

            SHE is the only one who should decide.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Rob, why do you still present yourself as a moron? What about the father of the child? Shouldn’t he have a say in the matter? What if the father of the child was happy about a baby comming? Do you think the woman has the right to adversely affect his right to happiness or the child’s right to life? No, she doesn’t. 하나님 하고 나라를 위해서!
            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            Awww, here goes samurai again: ” What about the father of the child?”

            The contributor of a single cell… A single cell with only half the DNA needed to make a kid. Sheesh you sure want a high price for his contribution.

            While he contributes one sacred sperm she gives 9 months of her life to gestate it whether or not she wants to in your eyes.

            “Shouldn’t he have a say in the matter?”

            No. It’s HER body. If it is so important to him let HIM deal with it inside HIS body.

            “What if the father of the child was happy about a baby comming?”

            If she doesn’t want to carry it to term tough cookies. He should have discussed his wishes and what will make HIM happy with her before demanding that he use her body as an incubator.

            samurai just doesn’t seem to run out: “Do you think the woman has the right to adversely affect his right to happiness”

            Sure do. He should have chosen better if his mission was to breed.

            “or the child’s right to life”

            Talk about repeating… Again and again. It isn’t a “child” unless she wants to carry it to term. HER decision, not yours.

            Rov

  • patrick

    ATTN: I’m a hypocrate. Why you ask. Well my belief is that Planned Parenthood should be aborted! I’m so sorry but it is the best way to deal with an organization built on legal murders of unborn babies. Undercover video’s continue to expose Planned parenthood showing the inbred attitude of deciet and lies that their employees tell innocent women all across america.

    • meteorlady

      Planned Parenthood was founded by a racist who feared an increase in the Black population. It should not receive any federal money. Their offices are mainly in black neighborhoods and they cater to minorities. You can read the history of it on-line.

      • who cares

        meterorlady, what do you call your self? your racist to and prejudices maybe little jealous. did you know most abortion are from white women, did you know that? most of them come from the bible belt not only that some of this young girls have anal sex to keep from getting pregnant. folk if you ever happen to see you child walking funny you all know why (anal sex)

        • http://naver samurai

          Get off of this site! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            You have no respect, no sense, and no civility – what is known as ‘gutter mentality’.

          • Robert Smith

            And so much for freedom of speech from samurai.

            Rob

          • Vigilant

            Freedom of speech? If he successfully gagged you, you might have a point. As it is, we’re confident you will continue to boor us with your foul creed.

            BTW, why does someone who’s screen name is “Robert Smith” feel the compulsion to always sign his postings “Rob?” Just askin’

          • Robert Smith

            Vigelant is: “Just askin’”

            What is he asking? It is the obvious. Let’s watch: “BTW, why does someone who’s screen name is “Robert Smith” feel the compulsion to always sign his postings “Rob?”

            “Rob” is a common shortening of “Robert.” BTW, thanks for showing us how the right just can’t puzzle things out.

            Or…

            Are you tryingn to set up another of your lame, “Why didn’t you answer my question?”

            Thanks for the demonstration of your little inquisition.

            Rob (short for Robert)

          • Robert Smith

            From Vigelant: “If he successfully gagged you, you might have a point.”

            Actually Rob has been tossed off right wing forums before. Georgia Grifith who ran the “Abortion Forum” tossed me. I got all the right wing in a dither and finally she, a conservative herself, had to stoop to their level.

            Actually I wonder how she’s doing. She was old and blind then.

            Rob

          • Vigilant

            Robert Smith is so dense he couldn’t understand my comment about redundancy. In fact, he’s become doubly redundant by signing some posts “Rob,” and then “Rob” again. What a moron.

          • Vigilant

            “Actually Rob has been tossed off right wing forums before.”

            This is even better: he’s starting to refer to himself in the third person!

          • http://naver samurai

            Robert, I hate to tell you, but many of us are thinking about tossing you from this site also. You never bring any facts to the conversation, just the same old rhetoric, lies, and inuendo. Just think, you think this law is bad, well what about the one passed in South Dakota saying that a woman has to wait 3 days and be given counseling on other options before deciding to have an abortion? What about the Indiana law that says a doctor must have a pregnant woman listen to the heartbeat of her child before deciding to have an abortion? What about the state of Virginia that is trying to regulate abortion to the hilt by passing several laws on this matter? I predict that in the future, an abortion will be harder to get. Thank God! Victory in the name of God! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            samurai and his censorship (I really wonder why he isn’t taken to task for his name calling) Here is what he says now: ” many of us are thinking about tossing you from this site also.”

            ROFL… Can’t take the truth, can you.

            BTW, here is some information about PP that clearly refutes the alleged no mammogram” claim about PP: http://www.plannedparenthood.org/ppwaco/BCCS%20Komen-28753.htm

            It is a little more inforative than some “researchers” who sorted out clinics that that didn’t do them and called only them.

            Remember at that PP website you can get a bunch. Here is another quote: “Breast and Cervical Cancer Screening

            The Breast and Cervical Cancer Services program (BCCS) offers clinical breast examinations, mammograms, pelvic examinations, and Pap tests throughout Texas at no or low-cost to eligible women. The goal of Texas’ BCCS is to reduce mortality from breast cancer and cervical cancer in Texas.”

            WoW! PP is offering poor women things the extreme right denies them when they deny universal health insurance.

            Doesn’t that make a right wing nut feel kinda hypocritical? How can you be pro-life and against health care?

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Gee moron, a pro planned parenthood video. Now why should I watch something that is obviously leaning in their direction and not being objective? Try again moron! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            Wrong again, samurai.

            It is a PP sight that for a facility that DOES offer extended women’t care, including cancer screening, etc.

            It is there to illustrate the FACT that although not all PP facilities offer extended services MANY DO.

            The FACT is that it is easy to sort out which ones do and don’t offer services by checking their website.

            THEN as a lying effort to discrace PP it is easy to call the ones that don’t and call it a “survey.”

            IOW, when you know what clinics don’t do mamograms and which ones do and you only call the ones that don’t and present it such that it allegedly refutes the claim of an officer it IS A LIE.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            With all the laws being passed against abortion in 30 states and the defunding of planned parenthood by Congress, they and abortion my become past tense. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            Without the health services of PP women will die.

            Without birth control advice many many more will become pregnant. Some will die in back room abortions.

            So much for right to life, samurai. But, what do you care… They are mostly poor people.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Rob, that is an outright baldfaced lie! You are a complete and utter moron! More women go to their own OB/GYN for birth control advice than go to planned parenthood. Where do you get your false information? Are you sleeping with Harry Reid or Barney Frank? Quit being stupid and just go home with your rhetoric and inuendo. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • bob wire

      So patrick, ~ you are 14 1/2 inches tall and weigh 7 pounds and 3 ozs. You can’t walk, talk or feed yourself. While your tummy now hungers and hurts for food, you have soiled yourself and while it felt nice and warm at first, it’s now cold,wet and burning so which of the these two following questions best serve your most pressing concerns?

      Who’s your Daddy?

      or

      Who’s your Momma?

      • Angel

        There are many couples out there who would love to adopt a baby. That would rather give funding to abort the baby or to keep the baby with a neglectful/abusive parent over letting a good couple adopt.

        • Robert Smith

          Angel says: “There are many couples out there who would love to adopt a baby.”

          Yes. Many are same sex. But they are REFUSED because of the right.

          Rob

          • Vigilant

            You’re off subject, idiot!

          • Robert Smith

            Thanks again for the sick example of an Ad hominem attack. That is attacking the arguer and not the argument.

            It’s fun to demonstrate how you have no scruples, and no ligitimate arguments.

            Rob

          • Robert Smith

            BTW, when the issue of adoption comes up why would anyone deny a loving couple the joy of adopting?

            Oh that’s it, I remember!

            You are scared of gays not bringing the children up in your faith.

            Rob

          • Jay

            oh, oh, watch out everyone, rob is using BIG words! An ad hominem…by the way, a technique invented and developed by liberal masturbators, oops, I mean, debaters.

          • Vigilant

            RS, I repeat: you’re off subject, idiot!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Robert,
            It’s around the first of the month!! you wrote your check yet??? Your kids need you!!!

          • http://naver samurai

            They don’t have the right because their way of life is immoral and void of family values. I agree with the patriots that you are way off of suject. Are we on our monthly cycle today, hmmm? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            vigelant claims: “You’re off subject, idiot!”

            Nope, I’m NOT off subject. So, you are lying twice.

            First it is completely appropriate that many on the right don’t want same sex couples adopting. So, the advocaqcy of the right makes the pool of eligable parents smaller. That’s not a good thing to do when at the same time offering adoption as an alternative to abortion. In general there are no ill effects with gay couples parenting. The biggest drawback is from right wing nuts poisoning the thoughts of their spawn to go to school and bully kids who are in a different home environment as they are. It’s sad to see kids being brought up as bigots, but that’s what the right wing seems to specialize in.

            And obviously by the way I can access this forum and post I’m not an idiot.

            So, two lies in one sentence. Wow!

            Rob

      • Jay

        Bob wire, you do realize that in order to support your argument for the legitimacy of abortion you were forced to draw the worst case scenario, don’t you? The scenario you so desperately drew, to say the least, is rare indeed! Shame on you!!!

        • bob wire

          The argument that I offer seems to elude you completely.

          It’s a matter for family and church! and not all on the back of government !

          • Jay

            You’re right, bob wire, I was half asleep when I read your post! I get it now, I think?…

      • http://personellibertydigest bill berk

        that’s right the liberal democrat’s want to be the the pimp daddy,provider ,protecter at your ‘s and the child’s expense,along with taxpayers monies

        • bob wire

          What kind of screwed up thinking got to such a summation?

          You are truly a twisted human being if this represents your thought process on such matters.

          • Robert Smith

            Hey bob!

            How do you keep government from coersin abortion like they do in China once you give it control to allegedly stop abortion?

            The best way is for each woman to decide for herself.

            That way you can not have as many abortions as you don’t want to have. The government has no say in how you do or don’t breed.

            Rob

            Rob

          • Jay

            Hey robert, with all do respect, sir, and at the risk of offending you, and I sincerely apologize if I do, I must say: You sound like you might be a FEMINAZI?

            FEMINAZI: An individual, usually female, who is a dedicated and fanatical abortionmonger. Such individuals believe that the option to kill prenatal children is essential to the political, social and economic advancement of women.

          • Vigilant

            Jay, why would you worry about offending an offensive person?

          • Jay

            Vigilant, I was being sarcastic!

          • Robert Smith

            from Jay: ” option to kill prenatal children is essential to the political, social and economic advancement of women.”

            No, Mr. Dittohead, again you are wrong.

            Choice is part of free will.

            Who are you to deny anyone a choice in a free America or as free will is alleged by your horrible god?

            Now, let’s watch Jay or one of his cronies go with… I’ll guess “argument.” Let’s watch: Special pleading (typically referring to god’s will).

            Clue: Your god’s will is YOUR religion, not mine.

            Rob

          • Vigilant

            According to that idiot RS, any exercise of free will is OK. If it’s your choice to expose yourself in public, murder someone or screw your sister, be prepared to suffer the consequences.

          • http://naver samurai

            Robert is being moronic again. The doctrine of free will is “Do you believe in God and serve him, yes or no.” That’s it and nothing else. It seems that you choose not to, but you better get ready to feel the heat in your end, literally. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Robert Smith

          I don’t follow your god, and don’t believe in him so your post: “Do you believe in God and serve him, yes or no.””

          Anything having to do with your brutal god is nothing to me. Keep your god out of the lives of me and women who choose not to follow. This is America and I don’t want to see the American Taliban making laws in America.

          Just leave women who have not chosen to buy into your hateful religion alone. They don’t have to listen to your jabber.

          Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            The only choice is to wait till marriage and take care of the children that are inside you and the ones already born, NO EXCEPTIONS! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • meteorlady

    OK so if I don’t want a boy, I just go in and tell them something else. What a waste of taxpayer money.

    • Eddie47d

      The bill is a ruse and folks will believe anything. Everyone has a sex and a race and the politicians know this. More backdoor hype from desperate politicians looking for a solution. This will automatically penalize anyone who even tries to get an abortion and that is it’s sole purpose. They now have the bull by the horns and the pro-life side can claim a major victory. Choose life or go to jail and this isn’t the only state with these laws on the table.

      • http://naver samurai

        Sorry edduh, but abortion is murder. Plain and simple. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Robert Smith

          Maybe in your extreme version of christanity samurai, but quit lying as if abortion is illegal. Abortion is mostly legal in America and to imply otherwise by saying it is “murder” is a lie.

          Thanks for another example, samurai.

          Rob

          • Vigilant

            “Abortion is mostly legal in America and to imply otherwise by saying it is “murder” is a lie.”

            Slavery was legal at one time in America as well. To imply otherwise by saying it was “free labor” is a lie.

            Slavery is slavery and murder is murder.

          • Robert Smith

            From vigelant: “Slavery was legal at one time in America as well. To imply otherwise by saying it was “free labor” is a lie.”

            Yes, slavery is even justified in your bible. Shucks there was even a christian catichsm for slaves. You can see one at: http://www.theliberatorfiles.com/a-catechism-for-slaves/

            Mankind in America was enlightened and slavery became a thing of the past, except for those who want to enslave women to pregnancies.

            Further, abortion was LEGAL until the end of the 1800′s. Then it had little to do with religion and everything to do with doctors, wanting control of abortion (doctors didn’t want midwives taking business) and women being dead from abortions. Folks didn’t know much about infection then. Many doctors didn’t wash their hands, etc.

            So, abortion was made illegal for bogus reasons. Greed from doctors and ignorance about disease. The greed is still in the medical community but abortion is now among the safest of procedures for women. (now let’s watch the screech claiming it isn’t safe for the babeeeeeeee!”

            Rob

          • Vigilant

            RS, quit making the gratuitous assumption that I’m a Christian. I’m not.

            I am a person who believes in the Natural Law as expressed in the Declaration of Independence. I am a person who believes that human life is to be preserved, cherished and respected. I believe that those such as yourself are the people in this world who would run roughshod over any “inconvenient” human life that got in your way, whether it be an unborn human being, an elderly person with no utilitarian value to your ends, or anyone you would determine to be unfit.

            I believe you represent the dregs of humanity, the self-centered, anchorless worshippers of…nothing but yourselves. I believe you have no clue as to the great mysteries of the universe, no imagination and no curiosity about your existence.

            I believe you don’t have to be a member of a congregation to extend a tolerance and respect for other people’s religious beliefs, or lack thereof. Your crass, disrespectful attitude toward others who hold genuine views of morality different from your own, show that you are indeed ethically bankrupt. Your inability to respect others merley reflects your own lack of self respect.

          • http://naver samurai

            Thou shalt not kill says the Lord our God. He gives no exceptions. Ergo, abortion is still murder no matter how much spin you put to it, moron. Rob, what Vigilant said about you is accurate and it hits you “center mass”. Since you were in the military (either 1946 or during Vietnam), you should know what I’m saying. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            From Vigilent: “I am a person who believes in the Natural Law as expressed in the Declaration of Independence.”

            The Declaration of Independence is a declaration of us leaving a despotic king who was killing BORN Americans and who was taxing them.

            The fact is that you are advocating it as a “law” appears to be crazy. The Constitution is the basis of our law and there are no quotes from your bible in that document.

            BTW, there is plenty of documentation of a bigger influence than your brutal god (Look like a duck, waddle like a duck, and quack like a duck… Manbe it IS a duck).

            Let’s watch. I just got this about Ben Franklen, one of our countries who like George Washington was a Mason: http://www.sanmateomasoniclodge.org/masonry_and_the_constitution.html

            “When the Constitutional Convention was closing, after ratification of the Constitution, Ben Franklin, pointing to the sun carved on the back of the presiding officer’s chair, remarked; “Throughout the days we have been laboring here, I have observed that sun, and wondered whether it was a rising sun or a setting sun. Now I know it was a rising sun.” He seems to say to the Craft that this was a truly Masonic piece of work, and that it was “good
            work, true work, square work” that a Mason could be proud of— in fulfillment of the promises made in the Declaration of Independence,”

            BTW, there is absolutely no mention of abortion in either the DOI or the Constitution. Maybe you can find some opinions from that time that mention abortion. I’ve asked several right wingers and they thus far have had no success. Woman things was woman things back then and men didn’t mess.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Show me where behavior is covered in the Constitution, moron. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Dan az

        Eddiee says
        (This will automatically penalize anyone who even tries to get an abortion and that is it’s sole purpose. They now have the bull by the horns and the pro-life side can claim a major victory. )Eddie I agree with you on that!See some ttimes we agree on good things!

      • Jay

        Eddie, you make it sound like its a bad thing, you sound disappointed, in fact! I sincerely hope that its due to the denial of services and choice?

  • http://com i41

    To slow down the bs problems of welfare or mixed race abortions, make the sire of the offspring be resonsible for the child free health care until age 26,lie Nocare, and responsible for clothing and feeding the child until 21. As for the dams of the offspring when every moth they come in to collect the welfare freebes, check for drug and tobacco use. If she tests hot cut her walk around monies and benies, and make the sire make up the difference. If the lazy slut will not quit, take the child away and remove the hatching chamber so there isn’t a repeat problem. Go AZ!

    • who cares

      i41, you (offensive words removed).

    • Karolyn

      Sounds like communism to me.

      • Dan az

        Actually it sounds allot like common sense to me!

        • http://naver samurai

          Me too! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            Denying freedom to women on behalf of your god. America respects the choices of others, and you should be ashamed for denying them. That is un-American.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            So are you moron, so what’s your point? All these things you say you believe in are against what our Christian founders had in mind for this country. If anyone thinks that we were founded on this do anything you want to idea, then that person is no more than a secular humanist and an enemy of the founding of this Christian nation. You, as well as others like you, will never dismantle this country and how it was founded no matter how hard you try. Why? Because there are to many patriots for you to fight against. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            How can you claim to be a “partiot?” Why advocate that women aren’t “human” enough to decide how their very own personal bodies are? It is looks treasonious to me watching you try to capture the bodies of women and deny them their rights.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Bzzzzz wrong again moron! Talk about repeating yourself. The only choice the woman has is to have sex or not. If she decides to have sex and if soemthing, like a pregnancy, happens, then she is to take 100% accountibility for her actions and take personal responsibility for the child she helped to create. To do anything less is immoral, unethical, and isn’t human no matter how much BS spin you put on it moron! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Robert Smith

      Let’s see how the extreme right wants people to be free in their version of America. From i41: ” remove the hatching chamber so there isn’t a repeat problem.”

      That, and take money away from people (the biological father, as if only the guy is responsible… After all, women are too weak minded to deny sex in the eyes of i41.

      Such is “freedom” in Amerika in the eyes of the right wing.

      Rob

      • Jay

        Robert, any possible dates as to when your book ” How the Right destroyed my perception of America” will be available in book stores?

        • Robert Smith

          Why don’t you deal with the issues presented, Jay?

          Ad hominem – attacking the arguer and not the argument.

          IOW, you seem to be bankrupt when it’s time to talk about issues.

          Thanks for the demonstration.

          Rob

      • Vigilant

        Murder an innocent human being. Such is “freedom” in Amerika in the eyes of the left wing.

        • Robert Smith

          What is a “human being?”

          What is it you are charging “murder” of?

          Define a “human being” for us Vigilant.

          I don’t think a sperm and egg are “human beings.” oooy gooy watch it run through my fingers, Jay.

          Doesn’t look human, doesn’t act human (mof, I’ll bet you would want to KILL anyone who declared they were going to take everything they needed to live from you.)

          Rob

          • http://?? Joe H.

            robert,
            you need to look a little closer! At one month, the “fetus ” (as YOU call it) does have human form!! if you can’t see it, then perhaps YOU are the one that is blind! Perhaps I misread you and you have killed one of your own and come here to try feebly to massage your shame away!!! Your shame, in the eyes of God will never die until you repent and ask him to forgive you!! I don’t think you have the guts to do that, lady!!!

          • http://naver samurai

            That is one of the most moronic things I’ve had the displeasure to read from you. How can you get up in the morning, look in the mirror, and call yourself a good human being? You always talk about taking from the mother (since you have posted before that you had your ex have an abortion, probably so you wouldn’t have to pay child support.), but what about the rights of the child? A child inside it’s mother is concidered an American citizen and is entitled to all rights and protection under the laws of this country. Who the h*** are you to state otherwise? Remember moron, “…endowed by their Creator, which are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness…” I see that you only think about yourself and your worthless ideals, but care nothing for anyone else’s rights. You, nor the mother, have the right to infringe on these rights that are given to the child by God, the Constitution, and the laws of each state and our nation? Rob you are a complete waste of skin. I’ll bet the best thing about your parents making you was the stain on the sheet. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • JustDWD

        Robert:
        You seem to be a little confused and making emotionally based arguments instead of factual ones.
        If an abortion wasn’t performed what would have been the outcome of the pregnancy? The answer is obvious it would be a live baby. In 96% of all cases this is the answer. In 4% either the life of the child or the mother is lost, most of the time it is the child to protect the mother’s life. There is nothing ethically wrong with this. Danged hard choice but not unethical.

        So, factually 96% of the time it is killing a baby before it is born.

        But you like emotional arguments so here goes. When I was a young man about 22 my girlfriend got pregnant, and against my wishes had an abortion. I was allowed no say in the matter, there isn’t a day that goes by that I don’t think about it.
        Every time I do think about it, it hurts deeply. I often wonder who he or she would have been and I still grieve for that loss.
        So don’t get on you high horse, and post you high sounding emotional ignorance. If you haven’t ever seen your child born, smelled their hair while they slept, held them until they stopped crying or got over a bad dream. Then you have no right to talk.
        Yes, I had other children, but it doesn’t make up for the one I lost. That girlfriend and later ex-wife, legally murdered our first child because “she wasn’t ready to be a Mom.” It was selfishness, and that is all it was.

        JustDWD

  • smithington

    Just because a child is unborn does not mean it is not alive. Life begins at conception. ABORTION IS MURDER!!!

    • who cares

      smithington, Are you a doctor or a specialist or are you just a amplifying some else crap? church and churchgoer need to their crap to them selfs. leave women business to women.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        who cares,
        what’s the problem? you trying to massage your own consience for murdering one of yours??? Or like Robert S are you tired of writting support checks for the kids you helped produce??? PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY BITES REAL HARD, DOESN’T IT???

        • Dan az

          Hey Joe
          I think you got his number on that one!

        • http://naver samurai

          Unfortunately libs don’t believe in personal responsibility. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Robert Smith

          Quit lying joe.

          Rob

          • http://?? Joe H.

            OK, Lady!!!

          • http://naver samurai

            Instead of being a moron and calling someone a liar, why don’t you tell them exactly where they are lying and cite some sources to back yourself up with? Another lib, gay loving, baby killing, Christian bashing, marxist. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            This is so easy. Samurai posts: “Instead of being a moron and calling someone a liar,”

            But it is clear from my being able to convey information on this forum that I am not a “moron.”

            Thus each time you call a name rather than sticking with the issue you are lying.

            Simple.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Still can’t tell anyone how and where they lied, moron? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • shellyd

    This is so sad… first if someone watched an abortion before having one I believe they would not choose that option. Second, who gets to speak for the baby or the woman for that matter. In my younger years I would have considered one but my brain was not fully developed, I did not have life experience, marriage, income. When I did get these things then having children was wonderful. It is such a hard decision for a woman to make if she has none of these things I have listed. Or she already has 7 children she can not take care of. I hate the idea of a baby being aborted but I do believe it has to be the decision of the mother because it is her that will answer to God and herself. Who am I to decide this for someone else. I just cant!!

    • Robert Smith

      Posted: ” first if someone watched an abortion before having one I believe they would not choose that option.”

      Phil Donahue did exactly that on his show. There was discussion of an Emmy and praise from the Woman’s community.

      The only grief he got was from the extreme right wing who said that it made abortion look too easy.

      In fact as a medical procedure it is very easy and most often done with a (if any) local anesthetic.

      The only emotional issues are inflicted by the right who heap all sorts of guild. The left says, “Make your own decision.” Then that decision is respected.

      Rob

      • http://naver samurai

        When did that show air and who was the guest? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Robert Smith

          Check out this Donahue show: http://articles.sfgate.com/2003-09-02/news/17507370_1_abortion-providers-rev-don-spitz-paul-hill
          “Killer of abortion doctor faces death Wednesday / Authorities fear Florida execution will foment more violenceSeptember 02, 2003|By John-Thor Dahlburg, Los Angeles Times

          2003-09-02 04:00:00 PST Miami — He told a TV audience on the Phil Donahue show that killing an abortion doctor was as justifiable as murdering Hitler. Then one July morning, he took a pump-action shotgun and shot a doctor and his escort dead outside a women’s clinic in Florida’s Panhandle.

          On Wednesday, Paul Hill is scheduled to die at Florida State Prison. The former Christian minister, a murderer in the eyes of the state but a hero and a future martyr to some, will become the first convicted killer of an abortion provider to be executed in the United States.”

          BTW, do you deny that there was an abortion on the show? Or, are you sending me on another wild goose chace again?

          Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            I shall have to watch to find now, won’t I? If I remember right, after this show his ratings took a big hit. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • james karalis

    That is stupid! Why would a woman want a child not of her race ? A white woman with a child of a other race is doomed to live with the race of the child . If it was my daughter she would never live long enough the have the baby because a honor killing would be in order to save the famley blood line . FYI I am Greek not middle eastern .

    • Conservative United

      There is also another issue that gets left out. It is called RESPONSIBILITY. If a woman does not want a child of a certain race, THEN DO MOT HOP IN BED WITH A MAN OF THAT RACE!!!!!

    • http://?? Joe H.

      james k,
      I can only pray some woman was not STUPID enough to have willingly had children by YOU!!!

      • Robert Smith

        Oh, oh, oh, there you go again Joe! Attacking the indifidual rather than making any cogent argument.

        Nice going Joe! Thank you for proving the point that the anti-abortion community is bankrupt save for religions arguments.

        Rob

        • Kate8

          Robert – You are a joke. All you do is attack the posters here.

        • http://naver samurai

          Same with you moron! What’s wrong rob? Low or out of ammo, so you troll this site looking for some? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            Shucks samurai… What better to show how those on the right perform?

            Wouldn’t it be nice if everyone could see it?

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            That’s OK, for we already know how moronic you and the left act. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Karolyn

      That is sick! Honor killing! What century are you from?

      • Vigilant

        Karolyn, haven’t you seen his other postings? He thought the Nazis didn’t go far enough in WWII in exterminating the Jews. He calls himself Greek Orthodox but considers the Bible a fairy tale.

        He’s one sick piece of work.

      • Kate8

        Karolyn – This offends you? It’s common practice among those who practice Islam – the ones you are so fond of.

        It’s okay for them but no one else?

    • http://naver sook young

      You may be Greek, but you really sound like a muslim. My husband is a different race than I am and we have had four children, which all are half Korean and hald Caucasian. They are good kids and I love them to death. I really feel sorry for the woman you are currently seeing. She must have very low self esteem to be seeing someone as low as you. She must be desperate for attention. She must also suffer from depression. Thank you.

      Sook Young
      Wife of the Samurai

      • Robert Smith

        What is your medical education to diagnose depression?

        Or, are you projecting?

        Rob

        • http://naver sook young

          Sorry robert, but low self esteem can lead to depression or can be a symptom of depression. Pleae look at the ASA publications for this year. Thank you.

          Sook Young
          Wife of the Samurai

          • Robert Smith

            Sook says: “low self esteem can lead to depression or can be a symptom of depression”

            I agree with that statement and will get back to it in a moment.

            The question I asked was about what were your qualifications to make such a statement.

            BTW, I’ll bet you will agree with me that the end stage of depression can be, and sadly too often is, death.

            Do you further agree that some women may be depressed when they find out they are pregnant?

            What if much has been tried and the only thing that will cure her depression because of being pregnant is to not be pregnant. She is in danger of suicide. Everyone doubts she can make it 9 months.

            Just some food for thought…

            Rob

  • shellyd

    Oh i41… why you so angry? First let me say if men were having the babies it would always be legal and we could call you a slut!! Remember it takes 2 to tangle and why you hate women so much is sad. I wonder if you have a daughter or are married. You would not be so quick to call a women a slut because she has sex with men. What do we call the men who have sex with multiple women “studs.” Why is that? Women are wonderful and sometimes make mistakes that cost us greatly but what position are you in to judge so harshly? Not even the most perfect man did that and he died for you….

    • Robert Smith

      shellyd says: “First let me say if men were having the babies it would always be legal and we could call you a slut!!”

      If men could get pregnant abortion would be a sacrament.

      I’ve always fancied the idea that if men protesting at clinics were so dedicated that they should step up and carry the fetus to term. I’m confident that if there were enough volunteers from the right that the medical technology could be developed to allow them to get pregnant. After all, shouldn’t they stand up for their advocacy? They say it, they should step up to the plate and to it.

      OR!!!!!!!!!!

      If they are protesting they should be FORCED by the government to carry the fetus to term. After all, that is what they are demanding of another human being.

      Rob

  • TombstoneLizard

    There’s a very wise saying: “Grandchildren are your reward for not killing your teenagers.” If you think about it, it has to go back even further than that for someone to have grandkids. Realistically speaking, I wish schools would teach about the consequences of unprotected sex in regards to abortion: The reality of murdering a fetus, the potential for a woman to lose her reproductive ability, and to show the men how they are conceiving a life only to have it destroyed. I had two girlfriends (at different times) abort/kill my baby without letting me know until afterward. I don’t know about the rest of you but it felt like someone used a 12 ga. shotgun to blow a hole in my soul. I’m a firm believer in contraception over abortion; but to paraphrase an old song, “Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time.” For you super-thick out there, it means, “If you can’t afford to raise kids, GET YOURSELF FIXED!!!!”

    • http://?? Joe H.

      TSL
      A very large Amen!!!!

    • Dan az

      TSL
      I have a 22yr old grand daughter and what I did was give her a bottle of super glue for her birthday and instructions to put a drop between her knees.Works every time!

      • Robert Smith

        More control of another from the right.

        Why don’t you learn to respect women and their judgment?

        Rob

        • Vigilant

          He’ll learn that respect as soon as you learn some respect for the innocent human life deprived of its life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.

          • Robert Smith

            Life, liberty…

            That is from our Declaration of Independance from a despot who was killing the BORN. There is nothing about abortion in our Constitution.

            BTW, if you are so pro-life why don’t you want to allow women to get the best medical care compared to their home in Mexico where there might not even be a hospital?

            Rob

          • Vigilant

            RS is so civics-challenged that he probably never learned that the expression of natural rights in the Declaration was the very basis of the Constitution.

            Abraham Lincoln’s sage words expressed it perfectly: “The assertion of that principle ["Liberty to all"]…was the word, “fitly spoken” which has proved an “apple of gold” to us. The Union, and the Constitution, are the picture of silver, subsequently framed around it. The picture was made, not to conceal, or destroy the apple; but to adorn, and preserve it. The picture was made for the apple – not the apple for the picture.”

            To bring it down to your infantile level of understanding, the Constitution has no meaning in the absence of the promises of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness in the Declaration of Independence. It was plainly the Deist and Christian values upon which this nation was founded that gave the Constitution its moral as well as legal authority.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Robert,
            You just gave a very ignorant example of your ignorance!! The people of Mexico have free healthcare, much like what you want here! If it is crap then that is what you wish on this country that according to you, just now, has better!!! If those Mexican women want abortions, then let them get them in their OWN country. But then, rob, we both know that they don’t want abortions, they want as many children as they can have to get more welfare!!! You speak in circles, lady!!!

    • Robert Smith

      From Lizard: ” the potential for a woman to lose her reproductive ability,”

      The potential is very small.

      Women are obviously safest through abstinance.

      They are generally very safe with most kinds of birth control.

      Abortion is safe.

      The most danger is carrying to term. The complications at birth are monumental relative to the preceeding.

      Rob

      • Jay

        Robert, I must say, I have never heard anyone paraphrase the definition of “Final Solution” like you have, and you have done it so, eloquently! Compare your’s, to the original definition, and to your credit, you maintained integrity

        FINAL SOLUTION: A euphemism and necronym concocted by the Racist sect of Abortionism which held political power in Germany in the 1930′s and 1940′s. Used to describe the genocide practiced against the Jews. The full name was the Final Solution for the Jewish Problem. Prenatal child-killing has become America’s Final Solution for the “Negro Problem”, the unwanted pregnancy problem, and other “problems” such as, health risks that could result during natural delivery, with controlling the populations of “undesirables” as perceived by those who control the nation’s cultural agenda.

        • Robert Smith

          Say Jay, how is it that I compare to your screed?

          First you need to prove that what is gestating is a “human being.”

          You haven’t even defined a “human being” except in the context of your awful god that killed millions with his flood, destroyed cities, etc.

          If it’s genetics apes are almost “human beings.” We share almost all the same DNA.

          If that is the way you want to define a “human being” then someone injured in war wouldn’t be a “human being” because some part of them may be missing.

          If it is “thinking” then you need to tell us where dalphins fall on your scale.

          What about if someone comes from space? Will you allow anyone to kill them because they aren’t a “human being?”

          Your “human being” claim is so full of holes it is pretty much laughable.

          Rob

          • Jay

            your screed? explain..

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Oh,
            Hell-o, a crazy prog that believes in extra-terrestial beings!!! Let me guess, you were abducted, right??? Anal, vaginal, and orally probed, right??? We already KNOW they didn’t probe your brain!!! Even THEY don’t have aneedle THAT small!!

          • Dan az

            RS
            you paint a pretty good picture of your self by your own words.Let me see if I got this right.You are what I would call a blog troll:

            (n) -A depraved individual who sits in front of a computer all day and posts flames of an idiotic or pseudo-intellectual nature on public forums and private websites. Many of these people actually become emotional about what is said on the afore-said mediums and feel it is their duty to punish those who disagree with them. They too may pursue this object in an obsessive-compulsive manner.So what say you Robert are you a troll? Or just a pathetic loser looking for any one to communicate with?

          • Kate8

            Dan az – Very astute observation! I think you nailed ol’ Rob.

          • libertytrain

            Dan, I’m with Kate – that was the most astute description of his style.

          • http://naver sook young

            Very astute observation of this person’s obvious psychological difficulties he has a hard time controling. Maybe he could come to my Center for Behavioral Medicine ward at the hospital. We’ll take good care of him. We may prescribe medications, consultations, and maybe elctro shock therepy treatments. Oh Robert, please come. I’ve only read about the last one, but haven’t had the opportunity to practice the last one. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

  • zombig

    What a wonderfull law!!!!!

  • Thamera

    Not even going to stick around for this one except to say that the last forum on an abortion issue was exhausting and the comments from people that try to rationalize the killing of an innocent child are beyond comprehension.

    • Robert Smith

      Another “freedom” loving statement from the right.

      Tell us about how givernment intyerfearence is only inflicted on the left and it’s OK with you?

      Rob

      • Vigilant

        “Tell us about how givernment intyerfearence (sic)is only inflicted on the left and it’s OK with you?”

        Your neighbor is about to be murdered and you contracted with the murderer to have it done. When the police show up to prevent the murder, you would consider that “government interference.”

        • Jay

          Vigilant, I think that one was to much for him, try to keep it age appropriate. Thanks!

        • Robert Smith

          From Vigilant: “Your neighbor is about to be murdered and you contracted with the murderer to have it done.”

          Thank you for such a Straw man argument. You dressed up such caricaturing (or stereotyping) a position to make it easier to attack..

          The fact is that we have social contracts in America that make it illegal for you to kill my kin or me to kill yours. We have a thing called “due process.” As a member of this society I understand that it is wrong AND illegal to contract a killing on another. So, it is unlikley that I would participate in such.

          In the remote possibility I might (here you are arguing to an illogical extreme as you claim I might do such a thing) you are following it with an “argument” that has no basis. It is clear in this society that folks just don’t get away with contract killings.

          THEN you presume that what is being aborted is a “human being” but offer no rational arguments that can’t be easily refuted. For example apes and humans share a considerable (almost 100%) of DNA. If you want to call what is gestating a “human being” then you must accept apes as “human beings” because a fetus that is deformed shares less than 100% of the DNA as the rest of us.

          MOF, the same DNA argument can be used by those who want to do evil and proclaim that because the DNA of a black person is different than theirs they aren’t a “human being.” MOF that argument has been made by extremists over the years.

          BTW, you haven’t answered: What is a human being?

          Rob

          • http://?? Joe H.

            robert,
            the main thing that makes humans different from the animal world is the ability to reason in almost all things! animals can be taught to mimic reasoning but they do not have the ability!!

          • Dan az

            Joe that explains it perfectly Robert is a trained progressive chimp!

          • http://naver sook young

            Ha, ha, ha, ha! That’s very funny Dan az. Thank you.

            Sook young
            Wife of the Samurai

  • AkTom

    Regardless of the circumstances how the pregnancy was created it’s still the termination of an innocent human life. No one on this earth gets to choose who their biological parents are.

    • Robert Smith

      I’ll bet you will explain how your god, you know the one that “knows” them before they are born…

      Anyhow can you explain to us how your god OFF EARTH sets things up?

      Rob

      • http://naver sook young

        Sorry robert, but no human being on earth is wise enough nor intelligent enough to be able to explain how God does things. Can you prove that he doesn’t exist? What proof and evidence can you provide the proves atheism is accurate and correct? Thank you.

        Sook Young
        Wife of the Samurai

  • Robert Hauser

    That places Brewer in the exact same league of estuary bottom feeders as the wart hog she replaced: Janet Wino Napolitano

    • Robert Smith

      There goes the right again.

      They are dissing those who disagree with them, yet they offer no relevant arguments to prove ther points.

      Shows what kind of substance they actually have as they try to force their BELIEFS upon those who don’t share them.

      Rob

      • http://naver sook young

        Robert, you are not a man. You say these things about people when you do the exact same things. You sound like an immature child and we adults have no time for you. Why don’t you try to do something constructive with your displaced anger. People usually get this by have a disappointing life or some major event happened in your life. Please see a doctor and get help for your problems. Thank you.

        Sook Young
        Wife of the Samurai

        • Robert Smith

          Thank you for another demonstration of disrespect sook.

          BTW, attacking the person and not the ideas sure does demonstrate how bankrupt you are of arguments and facts. Again, thank you.

          Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Rob, you’re still a moron. Didn’t anyone tell you that the ideas a person presents represents what a person is, so if you attack their ideas, you also attack the person. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Nora Smith

    God will not forget the cry of His people. Soon, abortion will be history. And He will crown His servants, who do His will, with His eternal reward!

    • Jay

      Nora, we should not be angry at God for not stoping this vile practice, as He is patient and long suffering, waiting until the full number of the ones that will be saved is complete. Rather, we should be angry along side with God, until such time as He will show His righteous anger and terror to his enemies!

      • who cares

        Jay. One sick puppy along with the rest of your communist clan. Do you not realize that what ever law the G.O.P. implements agaist abortion it will affect all of you (who ever vote’s republican) as well. Did you by any chanse seen, hear of the change’s to some of the words on the bible? Bother way men made and with out Gods ok. Leads me to believes that the first bible also was men made too. a book of hope for the common people.

        • http://naver samurai

          Actually you are the lib, gay loving, baby killing, marxist here, so what is your point? Always willing to bash God, GOP, etc., but fail to realize the ones to the left of center are so much worse. They also are without God in their lives and will feel the heat in the end, literally. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Jay

          And you know all this, how?

        • Robert Smith

          From samurai: “Always willing to bash God…”

          Yup, that mean brutal guy you worship raped a kid (remeber Mary), destroyed millions on Earth with a flood, killed the Egiptions with a flood, oh, and remember that ‘first born” thing…

          Yup, no there is a god some who appreciate brutality can really get into.

          I choose not to.

          Thus your “god” arguments have absolutely no relevance to me and millions upon millions of Americans.

          Rob

          • http://?? Joe H.

            robert,
            God raped no one!!! There was no sexual contact between God and Mary!! Just because you can’t control YOUR urges, don’t project on God!!!

          • Kate8

            R S – It’s obvious that God has no relevance to you. You display this with every vile, hateful, disgusting post you make.

            You have no understanding of who God is. The one unforgiveable sin is to grieve the Holy Spirit, and your mocking of Him will not play out well for you. Those who revel in vile thoughts and behavior are doomed to live a vile life. That’s just how things work.

            I feel very sorry for you. You seem like a very miserable person.

          • Robert Smith

            From Joe: “There was no sexual contact between God and Mary!!”

            Time for a DNA test!

            BTW, the left generally doesn’t care that Clinton had sex with that woman. Why are you so into the sexual affairs of others? Is yours so empty?

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Rob, why are you attacking God when he is the only one that can turn around your miserable life moron? How did God rape Mary? These are just some of the things that makes the patriots on this site think of you as a moron. It is the fool who says that there is no God within his heart and you are that fool! You always say that God and Christians killed a lot of people? How about how the muslims kill anyone that is different from their strange beliefs? How about some historical leaders that weren’t Christians? Some of those were Mao Tse Dong – 25,000,000 killed, Pol Pot – 3,000,000 killed, Josef Stalin – 20,000,000 killed, Adolf Hitler – 6,000,000 Jews and upwards of 6,000,000 others, Ganghis Khan – 40,000,000 killed (Mostly Chinese and Muslims), Muhammed – millions killed for the spreading of Islam and their false god allah, etc., get the point? We could be talking upwards of 200 – 250 million people by leadrers who were not Christian. You talk about the flood? Is it God’s fault or mine that Noah and his family were about the only God fearing and believing people left? The Egyptians (learn to spell moron and not try after getting punch drunk on lib kool aid) were drowned in the Red Sea to keep them from catching up to the Lews (Hebrews) as they were crossing it. The Egyptian Army would have slayed them if they caught up to them. You are a bombastic, self righteous, ingorant, lib, gay loving, baby killing, Christian bashing, marxist. You are no better for this country then the cowards and traitors that were voted out of office last November. Better get used to hearing that as Obama bin Laden will fall victim to the voters and patriots of this country next November 2! You rob are a traitor to everything that made America great and to America itself. 하나님 하고 나라를 위해서! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            Samurai posted: “Noah and his family were about the only God fearing and believing people left?”

            Thanks for confirming that your god rules through FEAR.

            Kinda a sad way to live. Why would anyone inflict that upon their kids?

            Looks to me like a shame. What’s it like to be so fearful samurai?

            Have you ever heard of a dog that is a “fear biter?” Maybe that’s why the right is so nasty to those who don’t agree with them.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            First of all moron, stop with the Christian bashing. Such things are considered hate speech you know. Second, if you don’t think the left does the same things to those the disagree with them, then you really are a moron. The left has been sending union members to people to intimidate them, which cannot be denied. Lost again rob. Can you try comming up with some real facts so we aren’t wasting our time? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Robert Smith

      From Nora: “His servants, who do His will, with His eternal reward!”

      Ah… It would appear that you are more interested in eternal reward than the health of a fetus. Saving just… How many? That will get YOUR ticked punched into your version of heaven.

      How selfish to strip another woman of her free will just so you can get a reward. How selfish.

      Rob

      • Vigilant

        “How selfish to strip another woman of her free will just so you can get a reward. How selfish.”

        How selfish to strip another human being of its God-given right to live just so you can avoid responsibility. How criminal.

        • Robert Smith

          From Vigilant: “How selfish to strip another human being of its God-given right to live just so you can avoid responsibility.”

          Nope. First prove what a “human being” is. Then prove your particularly evil “god” is real.

          AND! Guit lying about I feel is “responsibility.”

          Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Rob, still being the traitorous moron are we? How can you say such things when you posted “I was a protestant…” on August 22, 2010? Just shut up and get off of the site! If you think that this takes away your speech rights, TOUGH! Grow up and get a pair! Remember moron, “An American shall have the right to speak out against their elected officials without anything happening to them.” It doesn’t say anything you want to say, but just that. Our founders wouldn’t include such things that are lies, immoral, unethical, or illegal. Though what you said isn’t illegal, but it is a combination of the other 3 I’ve mentioned. Get your facts straight before you post, traitor! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • http://?? Joe H.

          go ahead robert, ease your suffering for what you did by taking it out on others!! YOU and YOU alone will answer for what you did!! you can’t rub the dirt off on someone else!!! If you aborted your child YOU are guilty of murder and no amount of blaming others is gonna change that!!! May God almighty have mercy on your soul!!

          • Robert Smith

            “YOU and YOU alone will answer for what you did!!”

            Really? ROFL…

            I don’t think your god is real. He has no impact upon me.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Never mind that traitor rob! He’s in allegiance with satan and is just trying to stir the waters and keep us from fighting the good fight. Let’s not lose track of our goal to take back this country and set it back on the ways we were founded. If we do, traitors like rob would be a thing of the past. Keep up the good fight, fellow patriots! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            mo from ssamurai: “He’s in allegiance with satan”

            Again I’ll point out that satan and his ilk are a creation of christanity and a few other religions.

            I don’t believe in such a horror. Your god is brutal and rules through fear. I don’t fear him so he has no control over me, ever.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Then prepare to feel the heat in the end, not from your boy toy either. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Jay

    The insane and mad Margaret Sanger, Planned Parenthood’s Racist!!!

    Founderhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEja-1emRic

    • who cares

      How is she Racist? Is it because she was a liberal? Jesus was a liberal that would make God A LIBERAL TO. something you all hate mongers love to do! you claim to do Gods will. And yet republicans align with hate full groups like the neo-nazi’s, tea bagger, pro-life, american white league, pro-action white league, national right to whites, fox news. so on, and so on. When Native Americans said white men spoke with a fork tongue they were talking of their greed, hate for people of color like Republican/tea baggers and your self. dictatorial republic/tea bagger say one thing and do complete the opposite.

      • http://naver samurai

        God and Jesus aren’t liberals, moron! Just because you say that lie enough time isn’t going to make it the truth. Stay off of this site if you have nothing to offer! The TEA PARTY and pro life groups aren’t the bad ones here. Let’s not get into how many groups like planned parenthood, NARAL, moveon.org, muslim brotherhood, etc., that are supported by the left. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Robert Smith

          From samurai: “God and Jesus aren’t liberals”

          Sure they are.

          I don’t think Adam and Eve earned that garden.

          Human beings didn’t earn free will you work so hard to take away.

          Human beings didn’t earn all the beasts that were killed for food.

          It is YOUR idea that human beings should have to suffer when they shouldn’t.

          BTW, you never answered the question: How can you claim to be pro-life and yet deny anyone medical care?

          Rob

          • Kate8

            Okay, Robert. Who is being denied medical care?

            The medical system you are so enthralled with isn’t the wonderful thing you think it is. It is exceedingly corrupt and has no ability to heal. If you want to use it, go ahead. Your reality is pathetic and narrow, so it is all that you can understand.

            You are immature and can’t comprehend self-accountability. You need to grow up. Sadly, you have become one of the programmed zombies in America, and are incapable of independent thinking.

            Your vibration is exceedingly negative. You are one I would worry would be capable of going postal somewhere, taking your hatred out on innocent bystanders.

            I really hope you find a way to get a grip, because we all reap what we sow.

          • Robert Smith

            Awww Kate is so… Hmmm, maybe “faithful?”:”YOU and YOU alone will answer for what you did!!”

            Not to you or your brutal god.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            I did answer your questions traitor! Pro life means protecting the unborn with the God given rights of all Americans, protection by all laws of the states and federal government, and protecting the child’s right to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. Health care isn’t relayed to that. Remember traitor, self reliance, personal responsibility, and the vigilance to ensure that government remains our servants and not our masters. The programs you support go against all of our founding principles and they have not earn the right to have hand outs given to them. You’re not entitled to anything you don’t earn. Self reliance – relying on yourself to purchase insurance and pay the monthly payments. Personal responsibility – You are the one respopnsible to purchase insurance, pay for it, and cover your family with it and not the government. These programs also make the government very large and more intrusive in the lives of the average American. Get your facts straight before you post moronis traitor! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            Let’s watch samurai yammer for a moment: “Pro life means protecting the unborn with the God given rights of all Americans, protection by all laws of the states and federal government, and protecting the child’s right to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. Health care isn’t relayed to that.”

            And yet BORN people DIE from not having proper medical care.

            How can you deny that and claim you are pro-life? The words are right there, “pro-life.”

            It’s so much for you to call something a “baby” and at the same time try to define it as such with twisting words. A “fetus” is a preborn child and garbage like that.

            It’s simple samurai: People DIE wihtout proper health care in America.

            Quit lying and saying you are “pro-life” when people die. BORN people. There is absolutely no doubt they are human beings.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Robert, you’re lying again! Pro life means just what I said and nothing else, so quit trying to spin it moron! Second, as many have told you before the healthcare isn’t the issue and has nothing to do with being pro life. Healthcare is supposed to have a person show self reliance and be responsible in getting coverage and not the government. This is against the Commerce Clause of the Constitution. Also, a federal appeals court has sped up the process by letting the judgements against Obama bin Laden care move quickly to the SCOTUS. Healthcare isn’t supposed to be given to anyone at the expense of the taxpayers, never. Never authorized by the Constitution. Lost another one there moron. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • http://?? Joe H.

        who cares,
        I suggest you do a little research on Margaret Sanger before you post about her!! You quite obviously have not the slightest idea what her feelings on race were!!! go ahead, a little research would do your little pea brain some good to exercise so it doesn’t atrophy any more!!!

        • Robert Smith

          Margret Sanger was put in jail because of the Comstock laws.

          What did she do? She published information about how things work in the sex department.

          It was a text book. Do you really think she should have been sent to jail for educating women? After all, it was illegal to educate blacks back in the day. Why educate women?

          Rob

      • Jay

        who cares, by this, I don’t mean to imply that you are uneducated, perhaps you may have forgotten the definition of what is a liberal or liberalism! Just trying to help, that’s all!!!

        LIBERALISM: A brain disease characterized by blind faith in human reason to radically and beneficially restructure society in spite of all historical experience to the contrary. Often accompanied by responsibility dysfunction.

        RESPONSIBILITY DYSFUNCTION: The failure to attribute accountability for actions to individuals, usually burying it in some group. Often also characterized by a willingness to assume within the group the responsibility for many destructive behaviors while absolving individuals of personal culpability. Frequently also characterized by a willingness to punish the innocent, in particular prenatal children, for the actions of others.

        • Dan az

          Good work Jay!

        • http://naver samurai

          Well said, fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Vigilant

        “How is she Racist? Is it because she was a liberal?”

        Your question shows you know NOTHING about Margaret Sanger, and don’t care to know. You’re damned right she was a racist! Bet you don’t even know what “eugenics” means either. At least Hitler KNEW what they called his actions.

        • Robert Smith

          Actually quite a bit is know about Sanger. Here is what she actually said about Germany: “”All the news from Germany is sad & horrible, and to me more dangerous than any other war going on any where because it has so many good people who applaud the atrocities & claim its right. The sudden antagonism in Germany against the Jews & the vitriolic hatred of them is spreading underground here & is far more dangerous than the aggressive policy of the Japanese in Manchuria…”

          That is from: 26.^ “The Sanger-Hitler Equation”, Margaret Sanger Papers Project Newsletter, #32, Winter 2002/3. New York University Department of History

          She also said, “Keep the doors of immigration closed to the entrance of certain aliens…” From: 22.^ a b Sanger, “A Plan For Peace”, Birth Control Review, April 1932, p. 106

          Hmmmm, now THAT sounds like something from the extreme right here in America today.

          Are you sure you don’t want to worship her?

          Rob

          • http://?? Joe H.

            robert,
            See if you can post her quotes about abortion and Blacks! Just for once try and give the whole story, if you have the ability!!

          • Robert Smith

            Let’s see Joe… Quotes and sources are brought to this form. Did you look at them?

            Why don’t you try to see MY side rather than denying women choices?

            Rob

  • Jay
    • Robert Smith

      Check out this on the same page: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apLjGQnTVg8&feature=related

      BTW, satan is a spin off of christanity. It is another part of christanity that promotes FEAR.

      Many religions / gods have no content of heaven or hell. They don’t need to have fear in their relationship.

      Rob

      • Jay

        Your lack of fear and reverence for life is what will ultimately destroy you! Another words, you will do it to yourself… Does the word, Schmuck, come to mind?

        • Robert Smith

          Posted: “Your lack of fear and reverence…”

          For once you are correct. I won’t worship a hateful brutal god.

          Why do you fear the one you worship so much?

          Rob

          • Jay

            By fear, I mean respect, dumbbell!

          • Robert Smith

            samurai said it was good god fearing people like Noah who were saved.

            Maybe you two should get together and get your stories correct.

            Rob

  • who cares

    From under your nose The republicans/tea communist party are taking your rights alway with a hidden agenda. The sad thing they make you look like fools. No matter what law they passes (take away) againt the commen (you) people. The rich and the wealhty well just go to another country and have thier abortion.

    • http://personellibertydigest bill berk

      hear hear now the gop is doing a fabulous job of pretending to straightenen out obummer’s utter disaster of a presidency mess .we can only hope that our allies and friends around the world know that bummer will be gone soon.and then we’ll but stuck with bummers policies only as goper’s can capitalize on them ,screwing u.s. citizens and blaming bummer

  • smithington

    Sharon Tate…Double murder???

    • Robert Smith

      Not really.

      Rob

      • http://?? Joe H.

        robert,
        Say you get pregnant and you want the child(fat chance of that!) get into an accident with a drunk that ends the life inside you. what do you think the charge against the drunk will be, in most cases?? now I’ve got a couple of very true examples so be careful!!

        • Robert Smith

          Depends upon the circumstances. You seem to neglect the possibility that I might have been at fault for the accident. One doesn’t have to be druk to do something dumb.

          But generally I’d put in a DUI group. Certainly I would be injured if a fetus was killed. The assault against me while drunk and at fault for the accident. That should get the some years in jail. I don’t like being assaulted.

          Now, because some politically motivated DA worked to claim that the babyyyyyyyyyyyyyy is a “human being” and dumped that political gem into the mix doesn’t make him a hero. He should be condemned for ading and abetting all those selfish people who want to dominate women in the name of their right wing religion. I can also see some misguided jurrors convicting some poor person in the name of THEIR relgion of and their fear.

          Remember, if the government gets control they can turn around and make abortion manditory. Do you want to give the government enough control over women to force them to have abortions when they don’t want to?

          Rob

  • barbm

    does anybody else see a pattern here? the story i just read was about a 9/11 memorial in arizona – almost as far away from n.y. as you can get and still be in the u.s.. a big old waste of money. now we have arizona spending time writing, debating, and passing stupid laws. who’s going to admit to either of those reasons if she knows they’re illegal? waste, waste, waste everywhere and every way.

    • http://personellibertydigest bill berk

      not so Barbm ,the state can and should go after these providers with every bit ,if not more,zest and zeal as some states do in collecting child support deadbeat ? dads ? mom’s ? oh i’m sorry only dads can be deadbeats while mom’s get a pass and a check .ain’t that right?or equal?

      • barbm

        until the supreme court changes its ruling, which is highly unlikely, passing laws like this is stupid. no teeth, no good. all you have to do is lie.

    • sherri ww

      barbm:not sure but perhaps the “9/11″memorial you heard about in AZ. may not have actually been for anything to do with 9/11:There was a memorial unveiled this week,in AZ.,in honor of Christina Taylor Green-beautiful Angel,and the story did mention a couple of times that it was very similar to the ones for the 9/11 victims in NYC. It was very nice and her Father was in tears,What a special little girl! We all need to always remember Christina and try our best to get along better BECAUSE of her,whether we agree with everything the other person thinks or not.

  • who cares

    You so call God fearing republicans are truly hateful kind of people. look at each other’s post every one of you has a hateful thing to say about liberals or democrats, and or people that disagreed with your way of thinking. Did God teach you be that way?? republican party are taking us backwards by eliminating right’s taking womes rights away even for women that vote republic and my to thanks to you. reagan, bush #41 the last bush all were autocratic when he left he left laws in place that the next republican president can make, turn the U.S. into a autocracy, dictatorship as the last bush did he even used the new law’s aganist americans. I’m sure some of you of have catch the replubicans say very same thing as if they were reading from a single page or oders. Like they say want a small goverment less taxes, free market, more jobs that sort of thing, but thats not what they want, they say those thing because you want to hear those things and when they can’t fulfil their promises they blame the democrat. The G.O.P. want one of two ways 1. Authoritarian conservatism means Big Intrusive goverment or the next one never happen under todays republicans. 2.Lirtertarian consevatism small, leave me along type of goverment. Todays G.O.P. does not follow the constitution nor rules they make them as they see fit or as they go. hitler lied, deceived the german people, bush did the same thing to american people on Iran, 9-11, economy. republican are doing the very same thing they are lying, deceiving, making things up, and now they want to shut public radio, is America communist? or are we under a dictatorship one voice one goverment. Native Americans were right about white,s some white’s do speak with a fork tongue the G.O.P./republican are snakes they speak with a fork tongue (you have seen a snake tongue) If every Nationality were to leave the U.S. that is not a native of the U.S. only two nationality could remain Native Americans and Mexicans. even puerto ricas and Cubans are not native of the U.S. Honestly i believe the direction this republicas are taking us. Soon America will have a civil war, we are having a war now thanks to the republicans and you. We’re having a class war the low income subsides the rich folk and corporations how long can they continue paying someone else fair chair of taxes. You cannot say they provide jobs if so where are the job’s? even boehner promise jobs what did he say he does not care if the U.S. lost. people in the buckeye state he’s your represetative do you care if don’t have a job? Lots of other G.O.P. feel the same they don’t care about you! Sad thing you people continue to vote them in how many lie’s will it take before you wise up of the G.O.P. here is hint listen to your gut. As a coin has two sides so does every thing else your only allowed to hear one side of the story the republicans side of how bad the other side is, maybe you might need to listen a progressive radio for the other side! let you gut tell you who to believe before the republican outlaw progressive radio and while you still have choice. I once voted for reagan and bush till their shit sounded to good to be true. Not no more. the last dumb ass confirm my dislike for the G.O.P. and the NRA.

    • http://naver samurai

      Too much liberal kool aid on a daily basis! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • who cares

        samurai, you been drinking to much (mash) stupids juice along with the rest of pin heads. not only that all you are funny iguess is true repress homosexual’s turn republicans.

        • http://naver samurai

          What a rant! Now if you weren’t drunk on kool aid when you wrote it I’d be able to understand it better. I suggest that you study our founding principles better, self reliance, personal responsibility, and the vigilance to ensure that government remain our servants and not our masters. You think this law is stupid? How abour Obama bin Laden going around the Hyde Amendment and trying to give $360 million dollars to abortion giant planned parenthood? Don’t you think that’s stupid? Oh I forgot, a sheeple would never go against the “messiah” in the White House. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            From samurai: “to ensure that government remain our servants and not our masters.”

            Unless you happen to be a woman… in that case samurai want’s control over your reproductive??? Oh wait a minute, he wants to give your womb to the GOVERNMENT.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            If Obama bin Laden gives this $360 million dollars to planned parenthood, it’ll be the government having control over the same area you are lying about, moronic traitor! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            How is government health care “control?”

            After all, I have health insurance and I can’t control who I see. They must be “in plan.”

            Actually from what I’ve seen with Medicaid most folks get to choose the doctor they go to. BTW, doctors can choose who they can see, just as the patient has a choice.

            Who are you going to take choice from then? One or the other.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Healthcare and abortion and medicare are different subjects and aren’t related to each other, moron. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Jay

      who cares, you are a mindless twit, and your delusional, self-righteous and nonsensical posting proves it! Your post also reveals your virulent hate towards anyone who object to anything you and your left-wing cronies hold dear; murder, debauchery and the destruction of our country under the hypocritical guise of freedom of choice! Freedom of speech and freedom of choice are to be exercised with responsibility, and for the benefit of others, not for one’s own twisted pleasures! By the statement in your post you have clearly demonstrated that, not only are you, irresponsible, but evil, as well! Like a crack addict, you resent anyone who stands between you and your next HIT!!! It is degenerate people like you, who scream for their right to destroy anything that is good, that stimulate all good Americans, to stand up and resist you! You are a sad and pathetic human being!!!

      • who cares

        Jay, everything that you are accusing me of is what your side is about. When did any of “you” ever see Democrats with assault rifles to brain death bush speech? NEVER! What about tea baggers hitler like posters of (Thats right) President Obama? Your boy bush was put as president by right wing supreme court. If any of you can’t see that you are being played for fools then you deserve all that you get from G.O.P. We just leave your ass behind till you’l EVOLVE and catch up.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Who cares,
          I’m real glad you made that post!! We started something the last election cycle and we will finish it the next!!! We will have a majority in both houses AND a third party president!!! Eat $hit and croak!!!

          • Dan az

            Joe
            AMEN to that!

          • http://naver samurai

            I guess that starting January 2013, we could be saying “Free at last, free at last, thank God Almightly, we’re free at last.” Oh I forgot, you’re a racist and probably don’t like MLK jr. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            from samurai: ““Free at last, free at last, thank God Almightly, we’re free at last.””

            Unless you are a woman of reproductive age. Then you will be FORCED to remain pregnant even if you don’t want to.

            Rob

          • Jay

            Joe H, he’s already eaten massive amounts of $hit, yet he refuses to croak. He seems to have an extremely high level of tolerance for excrement!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Jay,
            Naw, he doesn’t keep it in long enough! He spreads it plenty thick around HERE!!!

      • Robert Smith

        From Jay: “Freedom of speech and freedom of choice are to be exercised with responsibility, and for the benefit of others, not for one’s own twisted pleasures!”

        Or your invisible “god.”

        Prove to me “he” exists and maybe I’ll chat with him myself. Otherwise I will NOT allow you to force YOUR beliefs in you imaginary friend upon others.

        Without proof how can even you accept that it is “real?”

        Rob

        • Jay

          Prove to me, He doesn’t exist!

          • Robert Smith

            Jay, it’s up to YOU to prove your claim.

            What proof do you have of god?

            Rob

          • Jay

            No, its up to you, no I said first, no I asked you second…mommy..Jay being mean again whaaaa!!

          • Robert Smith

            No answers from Jay. Figures.

            Rob

          • Jay

            roberto, we have never seen you this upset before, we are rather enjoying it! Now do you get it, dumb dumb!

        • http://naver samurai

          Why don’t you prove he doesn’t exist, show your long form birth certificate, and show when you were in the navy in 1946 or during Vietnam, and post you DD-214. If you can do these things, you’ll be more believeable on this site. Though, you would be able to prove the first on moronic traitor! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            Why don’t you come up with a birth certificate for your god to prove he is real?

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Rob, didn’t anyone tell you that this is the only point that God and Obama bin Laden are the same? They both don’t have a birth certificate. God exists, just read your Bible. There’s just one thing you are missing, Obama bin Laden thinks he is a god, but God doesn’t think he’s Obama bin Laden. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • GregS

    Quoted from the article:

    “Bryan Howard, the CEO of Planned Parenthood of Arizona, accused lawmakers of setting up another obstacle to abortion…”

    The former governor of Pennsylvania used this same excuse to discontinue inspections of all abortion clinics in the state in 1993, and look what happened as a result:

    http://www.phila.gov/districtattorney/PDFs/GrandJuryWomensMedical.pdf

    What happened in Pennsylvania clearly justifies the actions of Governor Brewer. Furthermore, it justifies keeping a careful eye on all abortionists and regulating abortions to the hilt until, hopefully, Roe v. Wade will finally be overturned.

    • who cares

      GregS, Roe V. Wade will never be turn over. Neither will don’t ask, don’t tell. Gun rights has better chance of being turn over. This around boehner ran on jobs where are the jobs? During election time, and time again The (how many times has) G.O.P promise turning over roe v. wade, It’s a hot totato G.O.P knows this practice works every time to get you to vote for them back in office. What go’s around come’s around! some of you will need to do an abortion whether is for medical or incest what ever the condition maybe under G.O.P. you cannot have an abortion not even for rape. men should leave it to the Women. I am for women right equal pay for equal work.

      • GregS

        wc, whether or not Roe v. Wade will be overturned is NOT the issue here. Furthermore, neither you nor anyone else can make that prediction with any degree of certainty, given the amount of UNCERTAINTY in the world in which we live.

        That said, even if Roe v. Wade is NEVER overturned, that just makes it that much more necessary to have MORE laws, such as those that were recently passed in Arizona, to inspect and regulate abortion to the hilt!

      • http://naver samurai

        Didn’t this administration get rid of DADT? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Robert Smith

      Ahhhhh Greg…. Please tell us who the real christians are!

      “Suffering Children and the Christian Science Church
      The unwillingness of many Christian Science parents to seek help from physicians for their critically ill children has led to many painful and unnecessary deaths and, increasingly, to legal actions that have become burdensome to the Church and its members
      by Caroline Fraser”

      For the full article go to: http://www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/unbound/flashbks/xsci/suffer.htm

      Oh, maby it’s that barbaric christian god’s way of… Well, let’s just call it his will.

      Christian science kid dies it’s that nasty christian god’s will. That’s it. How’s that for pro-life of the christian god?

      Rob

      • http://?? Joe H.

        ” Suffer not the Children! For they are as pure as the driven snow!” Something you should learn robert, or is it roberta??

      • GregS

        Robert, YOU are nothing but a religious zealout! You’re always bringing religion into the discussion, even when it doesn’t apply. You really can’t talk intellengently about anything, so you throw religion into the discussion with your snarky remarks to fill in for your ignorance. Can’t you talk directly about anything without dragging religion into it???

        • GregS

          “zealout” should be “zealot”

          • Robert Smith

            Looks to me like you are casting some improper spelling.

            BTW, I make lots of typos and spelling errors. I know that so there is no need to point it out.

            Now, can you address some real issues? Simply because I point out the brutality of your god creating a “hell” if you don’t toe the line… And wow how that can terrorize kids. Can’t get them to follow without fire and brimstone?

            Good luck with your spells… Oh my maybe it’s “preying” upon others. After all isn’t that asking for a specific outcome upon another when you ain’t asking for something greedy?

            Actually prayer is a way to establish group think in a mob. It can be for good as in “Please allow him to recover and flourish.” But all too often it is to meddle in the life of another when they DON’T WANT YOU. I call that spiritual rape.

            Rob

          • GregS

            Robert, you’ve missed the point completely: I don’t approach this issue from a religious point of view, so your rant falls on deaf ears.

  • Carol

    Most of what I’ve read is that “It’s the woman’s fault”. Excuse me? Men are stronger than women and can and do take what they want. What about men and Drs. who lie and say the man has had a vasectomy and there won’t be anymore children. It happened to me when I was 38 years old and trying to raise a crippled child while my husband ran around. Men have done everything they could to entrap women since they came up with the concept of marriage so they could control them.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Carol,
      I have been married to my wife for 34+ years. We have raised a handicapped child TOGETHER and two other children besides!! WE are in love and we love each other. Neither of us has cheated on the other and never will as we took our vows with open eyes!! The first thing my wife hears from me each morning is “I love you” and the last thing she hears from me at night is “I love you”! I’m sorry you had such a terrible experience with your ex and it sounds like it WAS bad, but don’t sour yourself for life on men!! There are still some dam good ones out there if you bother to look! Try raising a mentally handicapped, seisure disorder kid that hates to eat!! It will get to you very badly with out the support of a loving spouse and a loving God as well!! I can look back and see God BLESSED us with our son as it brought us closer together and made us stronger!!

      • http://naver samurai

        Good job, fellow patriot! Though I’ve helped raise 4 kids and try to balance that with a military career at the same time. That wasn’t easy either. Sook Young and I have been married for 25+ years and still have one of kids at home in 6th grade. I’ve never done anything wrong to her or our kids. I never punished them unless it was something big, never had an affair, never yelled at or belittled my wife. We are in love and many times I’ve had to come to her defense because of her being Korean and some arse saying that we met in some club or massage parlor. I almost got wrote up for putting a right cross against the jaw of some arse who desperately needed it. Joe is right Carol. If you raised that child on your own and didn’t give up, you are the stronger of the two people. Don’t worry, if you pray to the Lord Almighty, he’ll have you meet the right person. Guaranteed! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Robert Smith

          From samuri: “Don’t worry, if you pray to the Lord Almighty,”

          Your wife tried that on me. She used it as a weapon like a voodoo doll.

          If someone doesn’t want to be involved with your god and you insist that is called spritual rape.

          May I suggest you ASK if someone wants you or your god involved?

          Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            If my wife says that she’ll pray for someone she does it, OK moronic traitor? You say voodoo doll? Your knowledge of voodoo is about the same as things you post here and that is a big fat “0″. At least I’m married and have kids, what’s your excuse? At least I’ve never asked my wife to abort a child of mine, like you did with yours. Look who’s the murderer now? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Robert Smith

        Joe says: “loving God as well!!”

        If he is so “loving” they why did he allow one of his children to be damaged anyway? Seems kinda nasty to me. Oh, that’s right! He sent his kid to be tortured.

        Rob

        • http://?? Joe H.

          robert,
          My son is not tortured! Far from it! He is loved by his mother and father as well as his siblings!! torture is inflicted by humans, on humans!! Let me tell you how my wife and I both feel about our son. If you mean to do him harm, in any way be smart and pray either of us don’t find out!! My wife is only 5′ 1″ tall, but she can hit the bull at 25 yards 10 out of ten with my 9MM and as far as me, well, just suffice it to say I taught her! don’t even let either of us see you with a rifle!! BTW, I’m just as good with a bat or bo staff!! Feel free to try me ANY time!!!

          • Robert Smith

            Awwww Joe, it appears… Oh well.

            From Joe: “My son is not tortured! Far from it!”

            Unless you claim to be god (finally! It could be interesting talking with you. Can you imagine what your followers are doing in your name? KIlling born doctors, taking choice away from women… I thinik that’s something you should straighten out.

            Joe, follow the conversation. The son was Jesus and daddy is your god. Now, didn’t jesus turn into a dead guy on a stick in a very unpleasent way? Hanging out getting shorter and shorter on breath seems to me to be torture. Do you disagree?

            Brutal, brutal… What kind of a god inflicts such pain?

            To scare the little kids to get into line I’ll bet.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Hey rob, why don’t you come up to Indiana and say some nonsense like that? We have plenty of patriots up here with weapons and ammo. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Karolyn

    Since when is it a requirement for a woman having an abortion to have to say why she wants it? What right does anybody else in her family have in the matter? I’m sure this will be one for the courts.

    • Dan az

      Karolyn
      The only court you would have to explain why you want to murder an innocent child would be Gods court.The day of reckoning is when you will stand in front of God and try to explain why you murdered that child that he alone gave you and in trusted to you.What exactly are you going to say?I think you all ready know what he is going to say!

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Dan az,
        That argument won’t work on karolyn as she has already said she doesn’t believe in God and hell!!! Too bad she will find out differently on judgement day!!! May God have mercy on her soul!!!

        • Robert Smith

          Joe H. said: “Too bad she will find out differently on judgement day!!!”

          What if it works the other way and you are wrong?

          I get it: Have faith and you will see.

          I have absolutely zero faith in your nasty god so I guess I’ll never “see.”

          I’d rather rely upon the facts I can see.

          BTW, if your god gave women free will who are you to take it away?

          So many unanswered questions posed to the right. Without any answers I think you are bankrupt.

          Rob

          Rob

          • http://?? Joe H.

            See robert, that’s where your ignorance of Christianity trips you up!! I KNOW that any man that truly believes in God and Jesus as their savior and asks them and the holy Spirit into their life and heart will without a doubt find the afterlife and the non-believers WILL be given a lake of fire!! There’s your free choice, Lady

          • http://naver samurai

            Too much lib crack on a daily basis. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Denniso

            Of course the rightwing zealotsis intellectually bankrupt,since all they have are myths to base their beliefs on. Whether one believes in a god or not,to base their life and thoughts and politics on a 2000 yr old book written by several men,often contradicting ea other, is just silly and no smarter than those hated muslim extremists who do the same w/ their book.

          • http://naver samurai

            Duhniso, glad you made it to the site, NOT! If the left only believes in killing children, handouts, taking away our rights in the Constitution, screwing the average American, etc., then doing things the way of God and Jesus, as well as believing in them, is a lot better than the world and beliefs you present. Another loss for the lib morons! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Karolyn

          Don’t put words in my mouth, Joe. I never said I didn’t believe in God, just a different concept of God.

          • Dan az

            Karlyn
            What is your take on God is it all things of matter and energy or is it a he/she that will judge you?Im just guessing here that you feel that God is everything even your thoughts, feelings,and emotions are based on your belief that we are all Gods children and should love each other and treat each as one with God.If that is true how is it that you believe that killing one of Gods children is OK?

          • Denniso

            Does Dan believe that it’s OK to kill women,babies and children as ‘collateral’ damage in war? Are they not ‘God’s children’?

            For most of the rightwing fundamentalists to believe that they alone know the mind and will of God is just laughable,isn’t it? When terrible things happen they say we can’t know the mind of God,then they turn around and claim they know it perfectly. Just plain dumb and childish as hell.

          • http://naver samurai

            You don’t have any room to talk duhniso! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Denniso

            Is that really the best you can muster?

    • http://naver sook young

      If she is a minor, wouldn’t her parents have some say on this matter? Thank you.

      Sook Young
      Wife of the Samurai

      • Robert Smith

        Hey sook… What if daddy got her pregnant and mommy is protecting him?

        What if her parents respect her wishes and allow the abortion?

        Rob

        • Jay

          robert, all you are is a fart in the wind, nothing but a fart in the wind….

          • Robert Smith

            Thanks for another example of your bankrupt anti-abortion jabbering again.

            BTW, why don’t you fire your god because there are so many “spontanious” abortions that he causes?

            Rob

          • Jay

            My pleasure, roberto!

  • Gladys Mayorga

    A terrific law

  • http://naver sook young

    Maybe in the future the scar of abortion will be erased from this nation. Thank you.

    Sook Young
    Wife of the Samurai

    • Robert Smith

      from sook: “Maybe in the future the scar of abortion will be erased from this nation.”

      Maybe the future scar of the antics of the extreme right will be erased in a this freedom loving nation.

      Rob

      • Denniso

        Maybe the scar of life killing poverty will be erased in this country some day. A great many of the choices pregnant women make is based upon not being able to afford a baby,in a country where money rules absolutely everything. Maybe Jan Brewer will begin to show some concern for babies that are 1,2 or 100 days old,and not just playing politics w/ the ‘unborn’. Why is it apparently OK for our society to allow living babies to live in dire poverty,malnutrition,drug/alcohol addicted parents,and more. Millions of totally innocent babies,toddlers and children grow up in terrible conditions,most of it based on poverty…45-50 million people live in poverty and most of their kids are fated to the same life. Babies in the womb are not the only innocent babies,but to listen to the sanctimonious and hypocrital rightwing you would never think that there are millions of already born babies born into pitable conditions, as the rightwing continues to fight any legislation or changes in tax policy or minimum wage that could ‘erase’ this scourge of poverty from our country.

        • Jay

          Liberals are obsessed with demonstrating their putative “moral superiority.” Thus even though they live their lives without really helping anyone, the political activism they engage in is dedicated to convincing themselves that they are truly good people. Liberals are driven by the need to validate the unspoken assertion that “I care more than you do,” which is ironic in the extreme since none of the government programs liberals have designed can be shown to have an overall positive influence in our society.

          Mark this! Whenever a Liberal expresses concern “for the children,” invariably they are using and targeting children to expand their own power, promote promiscuity, advance collectivism and enlarge their personal income at the expense of the taxpayer.

          • Denniso

            So I can’t say that we as a society and community should help already born children, because that really means I’m trying to promote promiscuity while enriching myself???

            I’ve heard a lot of delusional and irrational thought before,but I think that takes the cake….what a joke.

          • http://naver samurai

            Helping children that are already born, no problem with that. Just make sure its not a federal handout. We also have a moral duty to protect them that are unborn. You say many of them can’t afford a baby? Whhhhhaaaaahhhhh! If you can’t afford it, then don’t have sex and get pregnant, it’s that simple. You’re also wrong as there are women across this country that are on welfare, but keep popping kids out of ther uterus. What can you say about that? Have another kid and collect more welfare is OK with you? That’s all you got duhniso? More displaced rhetoric and inuendo? This win was too easy. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Denniso

            If you have no problem helping living children,then why don’t you vote for people who support a higher min wage so parents can afford to give their kids a decent life? Why do you support tax law that gives a tax advantage to families w/ 8,10,15 kids and a huge advantage to billionaires and corporations,at the expense of working families?

            Poverty is the worst scourge in the country,as it poisons every aspect of the lives of 50 million Americans,and traps most of the children of it for life…crime,prison,drugs,death.

  • Jay

    Anyone with a good grasp of history will realize that the liberal view of life was never what it was perceived to be—a creative movement which would shape the future—but rather a sort of death wish.

    The final conclusion would seem to be that whereas other civilizations have been brought down by attacks of barbarians from without, ours had the unique distinction of training its own destroyers at its own educational institutions and providing them with facilities for propagating their destructive ideology far and wide, all at the public expense.

    Thus did Western man decide to abolish himself, creating his own boredom out of his own affluence, his own vulnerability out of his own strength, his own impotence out of his own erotomania, himself blowing the trumpet that brought the walls of his own city tumbling down.

    And, having convinced himself that he is too numerous, labors with pill and scalpel and syringe to make himself fewer, until at last, having educated himself into imbecility and polluted and drugged himself into stupefaction, he keels over, a weary, battered old brontosaurus, and becomes extinct.

  • chuckb

    we attack abortion from the wrong end. the person having the abortion is to blame. when we start teaching right from wrong not secular philosophy, when a person has a moral conscience then you can control the addiction of our actions having no accountability.

  • sherri ww

    @Denniso:I wonder the same things! I don’t believe in abortion,unless its actually very neccesary,and NO partial birth ones unless mother&baby are in dire medical mess.But,if these GOP are going to meddle in all this VERY PRIVATE business,then yes,what about AFTER these babies are born?Right now GOP/TP are trying to cut the milk programs like WIC,that gives these babies milk&some other things they have to have! And,we know they are all trying to kill the HC law that allows these same babies to now see a doctor for care and shots,free of charge.SO-the baby comes out and everyone FORGETS ABOUT IT? That’s insane! And,right here,in this little town I live in,I know of at least 7 girls that have 2or 3 babies,of all different fathers and colors.They get housing for$ 19 A month(we all pay the rest of the$350 Rent),and all leave the babies while they run,drink,and only God knows what else.All move diff guys in&out,and you can hear tiny babies crying at all hours.Is THIS what we made them have these little innocent babies for,a life of Hell?WHO is going to be responsible for these little ones AAFTER We make them have babies they do not want and will not take care of?

    • http://?? Joe H.

      sherri ww,
      very good post! The only little problem you fail to mention is the fact that no one holds the parentS responsible!!! If they are caught leaving little kids alone while they go out and drink, punish them equal to what thwir crime is!! how about, just for once, instead of blaming everybody under the sun we blame the responsible people?? If I go out and rob a bank, should we blame YOU???

  • http://deleted Claire

    I took the time and read the posts on this particular thread. I probably am older than all of you that have posted. This does not mean I know everything and it does not mean I am always correct in thought, word, and deed. But I try. I wish we could all get along, I wish we didn’t have issues such as this to even discuss. My heart aches for all of us.

    • sherri ww

      @Claire:I know what you mean.I am scared for all decent people.We are all Americans,and have always been proud and happy people,for the most part.Now,people forget that these same folks we are fighting with,are really our neighbors and friends for the most part,and if all of us were to sit down with just about any one person,we would have a coffee or pop and visit and get along just fine.It is these few trouble makers that have big platforms,like tv or rallies,and they scream nonsense that gets everybody all stirred up,and acting as we would never act,on a one to one basis!These certin people do it because its the way they,and their”friends”make millions of dollars,and if they were calm and let folks think,9out of 10. folks would talk things out and get on just fine,but THAT would not suit the agenda these few bad people have.

  • sherri ww

    another thing is that these Tea Party folks claim to want LESS government in their lives(that’s insane too but we’ll leave that discussion for another time):Anyway,I do not believe a word of it now,not after I find out they all want to have that same government tell everyone what they can and can’t do,with their own bodies,and how many children to have,like China does! Which means that ALL the talk about smaller govt,and such,is all a bunch of made up shiny objects,to distract people from what all they are REALLY UP TO,NO DOUBT!

    • Denniso

      You’re right, the rightwing essentially wants to use gov’t for their own purposes and part of that is to control other people,especially women and their most private decisions. They only want a gov’t that taxes them less and can’t afford to help the poorer people and maintain regulation of business and the environment. They mouth pretty cliches like ‘freedom,liberty, while they do the bidding of giant corporations to get gov’t off their backs. They are willing pawns for big biz and the truly wacko religious right.

      • sherri ww

        Denniso:yes,they certinly do the bidding for these big business people who want to keep everything all in amess,so they can keep making more$ Than they could ever spend.And,I really think a lot of these folks don’t even realize they are being used so bad,and that the people they are helping make all this money,would NEVER share one DIME of it with them,and that in doing all this,that they are actually ruining their own lives and the lives of their families.We really do have some very bad apples in the big barrel of this United States-relativly few in terms of the millions who live here,but just enough,and well enough planned out,to keep people confused and the$ pouring in to those few hundred that are behind all this. Then there is the religion angle,as you said,and normally most folks would just respect each others religion,and that would be that.But,with all these big people wanting folks scared of each other,no one is thinking straight. Absolutely NO reason to care how another persons worships,or doesn’t,and without this,no one would give it a thought.God can be many things,to many people.The God you believe in,in your heart,is your God,and your right.to me,I pray privately,and I see God in many beautful things,from the sky to the flowers to the mountains and beyond.How someone else believes does not bother or concern me,or make me less their friend and neighbor,and certinly does not make ne afraid of them in any way.That’s all silly-we are human beings first of all,doing best we can to raise families and survive-a lot of common ground,if only the few extremely cunning” nuts”would leave us all alone.Remember:Do Not Forget Christina Taylor Green!Therein lies all our answers for all decent folks.

      • Jay

        In the depraved thought processes of a Liberal, abortion becomes necessary to guarantee sexual freedom and eliminate moral consequence.

        The basis of traditional healthy psychology is to help individuals take personal responsibility for the choices they have made and to help them make better choices in the future. The basis of modern psychology as defined by the Liberals who are members of the self deluded, isolated and ill-educated Professorial Class living in their government financed socialist Ivory Towers, is the elimination of moral responsibility.

        • http://naver samurai

          Good post! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Jay

    At the most basic level, the Liberal is anti-God. He is an intellectually dishonest, unprincipled, mentally immature, spoiled child who is forever in search of a world without moral consequence. That is why the Liberal makes “The State” his god. The Liberal worships THE STATE. The Liberal attempts to use his god (government) to eliminate all moral consequences for immoral behavior. In the name of “Justice,” the Liberal also pretends to make his god (The State) “level” all peoples so that the wise or the beautiful or the genius will have no advantage over the unwise, the ugly and the simpleton in the marketplace. The Liberal calls this tyrannical State of Government, UTOPIA.

    All non-sexual individual freedoms are despised by the Liberal. Why? Because those kinds of individual freedoms, (such as economic self-reliance) demand moral responsibility.

    Liberals hate Individualism because it demands moral responsibility. Liberals support collectivism because they hope to eliminate the need for moral responsibility.

    The U.S. Constitution and specifically the support for rugged individualism which is evident in the Bill of Rights, is the enemy of the Liberal.

    The basis of traditional healthy psychology is to help individuals take personal responsibility for the choices they have made and to help them make better choices in the future. The basis of modern psychology as defined by the Liberals who are members of the self deluded, isolated and ill-educated Professorial Class living in their government financed socialist Ivory Towers, is the elimination of moral responsibility.

    In order to advance their agenda, Liberals create an atmosphere of crisis and fear that is used to justify their collectivist oppression. Liberals love to go to war against other nations for it is during times of war that they are most successful in getting the most oppressive legislation passed in Congress. Check your history books and you will see that every major war America has fought in the last 100 years was started by a Liberal or a statist who philosophically supported centralized government

    Any religion or religious person who believes or teaches that there are moral consequences for sin, is the enemy of Liberalism and must be oppressed.

    Western nations and Western Civilization have produced more liberty and more prosperity for more people than any other culture in History. Christianity is the foundation of the culture upon which Western civilization was built. A genuinely Christian populace will reject collectivism and support individualism. A genuine Christian populace will live moral lives and thus they will support governmental policy that encourages individual, personal, moral responsibility. A genuine Christian populace will reject collectivism and centralized government. A morally debauched populace will look to the government to support them and shelter them from their bad moral choices. Thus for the collectivist Liberal bent on imposing socialism upon a nation, Christianity is the number one enemy above all other enemies. Christianity must be eliminated.

    The Liberal seeks to dominate any institution that can interfere with, weaken or destroy individual parental rights. Thus you will note that Liberals completely control and dominate public schools, child abuse agencies, pediatric associations, welfare departments, social service agencies and all NGO’s that feign concern for the welfare of children. Why? Because in order for Liberals to impose socialism upon a people, they must undermine the ability of the people to govern themselves according to God’s moral law. To accomplish this they must weaken the main support of morality. Strong families are one of the greatest threats to the final goals of Liberalism. The total disintegration of the American family in recent decades among some ethnic communities has occurred as a direct result of the design and intention of Liberals. Feel the hate. Hate is good when directed at these demonic Liberals who are the avowed enemies of God, Family Values and freedom.

    The Liberal applauds the imprisoning of home-schooling parents who dare to raise their children outside the control of collectivist public schools.

    Private ownership of guns is the single greatest symbol of individual power, and therefore is despised by Liberals.

    All individual freedoms demand the responsible behavior of the individual, and therefore demand a moral code. Liberals despise freedom because they despise morality.

    The Liberal fears any hint of individualism in any part of the world, and is obsessed with the centralized control of all human activity and thought. Thus the Liberal constantly seeks total control over all forms of media. The Internet is driving Liberals crazy with fear that more people will start thinking for themselves and demand limited decentralized governments in nations around the world.

    The Liberal’s only method of debate is to appeal to the emotions of mis-educated and illogical persons. Liberals seek to insult and discredit anyone who dares to disagree with them, especially in the college class-room. Why? Because the facts of logic and history do not support the agenda they are seeking to advance.

    Liberals despise all innocence – especially the innocence of a child. Thus Hollywood Liberals seek to steal the innocence of our children as early as possible and the public schools assist them in this goal.

    Liberals seek to sexualize our children, eliminate age of consent laws and promote the normalization of pedophilia, all in the pursuit of sexual freedom.

    In the Liberal mind, your freedom is their oppression.

    Private property and individual wealth is integral to individualism, and the enemy of the Liberal.

    The Liberal typically chooses a career in a field that produces nothing of value. A Liberal will look for employment in field such as public education, an employee of local, county, state or federal government, an “activist,” a lawyer, or a bureaucrat in a tax free foundation or an NGO devoted to advancing Liberal goals, etc. Then the Liberal will use government to extract wealth from others by force via the power to tax.

    Liberals fear technology and change – because neither can be centrally controlled.

    Liberals are not obsessed with sex, but with promiscuity. Promoting promiscuity among the masses is the primary mission of the Liberals who control the Hollywood, Television and print media monopoly. Why? Because Liberals know that the twin pillars that support conservatism are family values and faith in God. By promoting promiscuity Liberals know that they are simultaneously attacking both of the main support pillars of rugged individualism. Liberals know that a man of sterling character and discipline who is a moral, God fearing family man has no need of state support in the form of welfare programs. Liberals know that such a man is a dedicated and formidable enemy of those who are determined to foist socialism upon the nations of the world.

    Liberals say that they despise marriage and family because they are “patriarchal institutions” that oppress women and children. But the real reason they despise marriage and family values is because these institutions oppose, disapprove and limit promiscuity thus undermining one of the principal supports for Liberalism.

    The Liberal hates you.

    • Denniso

      ‘Liberals say they despise marriage and family’?????

      Where the hell did you get that from? It doesn’t sound like you either talk to or know any liberals, and that you are getting your info from ‘sources’ like Limbaugh and Fox News.

      Liberals aren’t as concerned about the legality of marriage or the supposed ‘divine’ nature of marriage,but none despise marriage. Liberals do oppose the model of marriage that has been historic and alluded to in the bible,that which places the power and control in the hands of the man,because they believe that women and men should be equal partners…conservatives mostly ‘despise’ that approach.

    • http://naver samurai

      Good post and historically accurate! An arguement that none of the libs on this site can deny. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Denniso

        I’m glad you like my comment.

        • http://naver samurai

          I was addressing Jay’s comment. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Denniso

            That was obvious…i was just pulling your leg for some fun.

  • Jay

    Population control by the “Elite” or the true face of “change” comes out after Obama gets in office!

    During the presidential campaign Obama said he would sign the “Freedom of Choice” act which would remove all restrictions on abortion.

    Take notice of the word “choice”. Yet another use of a phrase to make something seem what it is not!

    You see Obama is part of a group of people who consider themselves to have “special knowledge”, to be “Elitists” or “Higher Beings”. And this “special knowledge” gives them the “insight” to “understand” that they must do certain things to manage what they consider the unenlightened teeming masses.

    While Obama and his liberal “elites” are expanding the size of the government, turning it into a nanny with a “big stick” to control every aspect of the lives of citizens according to their “Elitist” ideology, and to make those citizens dependent upon the state for all their wants and needs. They also realize that they must control the size of that growing dependent population so as to not bankrupt the “nanny state”:

    Population control for cost control!

    So how do they mask that effort at population control? They sell it as a “Freedom of Choice” act. And liberal women’s groups fall over themselves to fall at Obama’s feet to swallow the hook!

    Nancy Pelosi let “the cat out of the bag” so to speak, this past weekend on ABC’s “The Week” program.

    Pelosi justified over 10 percent of Obama’s near trillion dollar economic stimulus program going toward “family planning” initiatives.

    Pelosi said, “Well, the family planning services reduce costs. . . the contraception, will reduce costs to the states and to the federal government.”

    George Stephanopoulos the host of the program asked Pelosi if she had any apologies for the money going for that purpose and for her statements about it being a cost control measure, Pelosi said:

    “No apologies. No. we have to deal with the consequences of the downturn in our economy.”

    So you see to liberal Socialist Elitists, people, human lives, become just another cost to the government just like any other cost! And when the economy goes sour their idea of “the common good” is people killing their babies, to in their minds help reduce costs for the government, which in turn leaves more money to be spent by the government to act as a heavy handed nanny to the existing dependent population!

    So where do you start with showing how abominable this ideology is?

    In ancient times, the Semitic people’s of Mesopotamia worshipped a false God called “Molech”. And God through his word warned the Israelites against turning to this false God and when they did God passed judgement on the Jews for sacrificing their children to this false God.

    Leviticus 18:21 KJV

    And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD.

    However the Israelites eventually ignored this command and by the time Josiah had come to the throne in Judah, the worship of Molech was widespread:

    Jeremiah 7:31:

    And they have built the high places of Tophet, which is in the Valley of the Son of Hinnom, to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, which I did not command, nor did it come into My heart.

    Ezekiel 20:25-27:

    Therefore I also gave them up to statutes that were not good, and judgments by which they could not live; and I pronounced them unclean because of their ritual gifts, in that they caused all their firstborn to pass through the fire, that I might make them desolate and that they might know that I am the LORD.”’

    “Therefore, son of man, speak to the house of Israel, and say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD: “In this too your fathers have blasphemed Me, by being unfaithful to Me.

    2 Kings 23:10

    And he defiled Topheth, which is in the valley of the children of Hinnom, that no man might make his son or his daughter to pass through the fire to Molech.

    King Josiah was attempting to do what was right in the sight of God by destroying the worship of false Gods in Judah and returning the people to the worship of the One True God and the Mosaic Law.

    Ironically enough it was King Solomon, considered to be the “wisest” King ever who brought in this abominable worship into Israel :

    1 Kings 11:7

    Then Solomon built a high place for Chemosh the abomination of Moab, on the hill that is east of Jerusalem, and for Molech the abomination of the people of Ammon.

    The worship of “Molech” demanded that children be sacrificed to him in order that he would look favorably on the nation as a whole, to allow the nation to “prosper”.

    Some historical evidence suggests that the giant copper or brass statue of Molech had a hollow core in its belly where a fire was lit and with an opening in the chest of the statue. The statue would then have arms and hands outstretched. And when the fire in the belly was good and hot, Families would bring their babies and place them in the red hot hands of the statue. Burning their babies alive for the sake of the “prosperity” of the state!

    And as Gods word says:

    Ecclesiastes 1:9-11:

    That which has been is what will be, That which is done is what will be done, And there is nothing new under the sun. Is there anything of which it may be said,

    “ See, this is new”? It has already been in ancient times before us. There is no remembrance of former things, Nor will there be any remembrance of things that are to come By those who will come after.

    A large part of the ideology of the Nazi’s or (National Socialism) under Adolf Hitler was racial purity and population control and elimination of what it considered undesirable “elements” within the population which did not fit in with the National Socialist ideology or were considered a drag on the resources of the “state”

    Those considered as undesirable “elements” within the population included the mentally ill, the disabled, and certain ethnic and religious groups.

    And lastly the most clear and ironic example of the true evil nature and goals of the liberal elitist ideology of “Freedom of Choice” is the original proponent of abortion: Margaret Sanger the founder of Planned Parenthood.

    Margaret Sanger was a racist who wanted to use birth control as a means to control what she called “The Black and Yellow Menace”. Her derogatory and racist reference to Afro-Americans, and Chinese Americans!

    an excerpt from “The Truth About Margaret Sanger”

    At a March 1925 international birth control gathering in New York City, a speaker warned of the menace posed by the “black” and “yellow” peril. The man was not a Nazi or Klansman; he was Dr. S. Adolphus Knopf, a member of Margaret Sanger’s American Birth Control League (ABCL), which along with other groups eventually became known as Planned Parenthood.

    Sanger’s other colleagues included avowed and sophisticated racists. One, Lothrop Stoddard, was a Harvard graduate and the author of The Rising Tide of Color against White Supremacy. Stoddard was something of a Nazi enthusiast who described the eugenic practices of the Third Reich as “scientific” and “humanitarian.” And Dr. Harry Laughlin, another Sanger associate and board member for her group, spoke of purifying America’s human “breeding stock” and purging America’s “bad strains.” These “strains” included the “shiftless, ignorant, and worthless class of antisocial whites of the South.”

    Not to be outdone by her followers, Margaret Sanger spoke of sterilizing those she designated as “unfit,” a plan she said would be the “salvation of American civilization.: And she also spoke of those who were “irresponsible and reckless,” among whom she included those ” whose religious scruples prevent their exercising control over their numbers.” She further contended that “there is no doubt in the minds of all thinking people that the procreation of this group should be stopped.” That many Americans of African origin constituted a segment of Sanger considered “unfit” cannot be easily refuted.

    While Planned Parenthood’s current apologists try to place some distance between the eugenics and birth control movements, history definitively says otherwise. The eugenic theme figured prominently in the Birth Control Review, which Sanger founded in 1917. She published such articles as “Some Moral Aspects of Eugenics” (June 1920), “The Eugenic Conscience” (February 1921), “The purpose of Eugenics” (December 1924), “Birth Control and Positive Eugenics” (July 1925), “Birth Control: The True Eugenics” (August 1928), and many others.

    These eugenic and racial origins are hardly what most people associate with the modern Planned Parenthood Federation of America (PPFA), which gave its Margaret Sanger award to the late Dr. Martin Luther King in 1966, and whose current president, Faye Wattleton, is black, a former nurse, and attractive.

    Isn’t it sad that so many consider Obama an “enlightened being” who will correct all the past the perceived wrongs done and carried out by the United States.

    When in actual fact he is either a stooge of Racist Pagan Elitists or he has become a willing proponent and participant.

    I believe God always gives us “types” throughout history pointing to the Anti-Christ and what he will be like. How he will twist the truth, how he will make evil seem good, how he will be “cultured”, appealing and offering to correct all past wrongs. And worst of all offering the world peace and security.

    Obama and those like him from history are a “type” of what the Anti-Christ will be like!

    Be warned America!

    Daniel 8:25:

    And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many

    Isaiah 5:20:

    Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

    1 Thessalonians 5:3:

    For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

    • Denniso

      It looks like you have too much free time!

      You say Obama is part of a group that thinks they have ‘special knowledge’ and thinks they are ‘elites’. I think you’re confusing Obama and liberals w/ the fundamentalist Christians or the fundamentalist Muslims. It is groups like them who think,as George Bush(Shrub)did,that they have ‘special’ knowledge of ‘God’ and that they talk directly to Her,or Jesus,Allah,Mohammed. Liberals try to base their thinking on education and history and experience in the real world…not some mythical,unseen power that they alone commune with. If you and the rightwing extremists want to call educated people elitists, so be it…but you should know that just because Limbaugh says it’s so doesn’t mean that you don’t sound like fools saying it.

      • Jay

        We shall see, denniso, we shall see, in the mean time enjoy your delusion!!!

    • http://naver samurai

      Great post! Duhniso is just saying the things that have been programed into her mind over the years. She’s just grasping at straws and has no real arguement against it. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Denniso

        You two fanatics just made my point…you actually think you know what your all powerful God wants and thinks and plans. How is it that one little book written 2000 yrs ago,full of contradictions,can contain everything you need to know the ‘mind’ of God? If there is even such a thing as this unbelievably powerful,unimaginably knowing force, that actually has any interest in us puny humans and our petty existence,how could you possibly know any scintilla of it’s ‘mind’ or thought process? Oh, you say you know what She/He wants in our political system because you read a book written by several different men back in the dark ages,when they knew so little of the workings of the world and universe, and their book shows the blinders they wore.

        There’s much more to the world then is contained in one book written by essentially ignorant men 2000 yrs ago,when they and most of the world lived in ignorance,compared to the times we now live in. Most school children know more about the world,solar system,universe, then those writers did then.

        • http://naver samurai

          God knows all and a whole lot more than you are capable of knowing. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Denniso

            I would agree that if there were an ‘all knowing’ god,then it would follow she would know more than me. The problem is w/ the first premise. One day you may ask yourself where the evidence for your sort of god is,and when you realize there is absolutely none you may feel like you’ve been wronged by a belief system based upon absolutely nothing more than myth.

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