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Arguments For, Against Gay Marriage Laws Before SCOTUS Today

March 26, 2013 by  

Arguments For, Against Gay Marriage Laws Before SCOTUS Today
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A pair of cases in which challenges to existing laws have made it all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court will inch closer to resolutions this week, with possible implications for sweeping changes to the way same-sex marriage is treated, both by the Federal government and by each State.

Beginning today, the high court will hear arguments on whether California’s Proposition 8 — a voter referendum that approved modifying the California State constitution so that only marriages between men and women would be recognized by the State — stands in violation of the U.S. Constitution. Since its passage in 2008, Proposition 8 has effectively banned same-sex marriage in California.

On Wednesday, the court will also hear arguments in a challenge to the 1996 Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA), a Federal law signed by President Bill Clinton. The DOMA defined marriage as a legal union between one man and one woman in the eyes of the Federal government.

Both cases present the potential to effect enormous changes in the way the state treats marriage.

While homosexuals in California have largely gotten around the implications of Proposition 8 through that State’s recognizing of same-sex “domestic partnerships” instead of marriage, the outcome of the Proposition 8 case still asks the high court to determine a Constitutional issue that would apply to all 50 States. The Proposition 8 case made it to the U.S. Supreme Court because the plaintiffs asked for a ruling on whether the U.S. Constitution prohibits the States from legislating that marriage can mean only the joining of a man and a woman.

The DOMA also challenges the Constitutionality of how the government recognizes marriage — at the Federal level. The case that brought a challenge to the DOMA involves a New York widow who was “married” to the same female partner for four decades, yet was not allowed, under DOMA, to claim a Federal estate tax exemption when her deceased partner’s property passed to her.

The DOMA case doesn’t address whether gays have a Constitutional right to marry; it simply asks the Supreme Court to decide whether Congress and the President have the power to withhold Federal benefits to same-sex partners that heterosexual partners receive.

Dozens of Congressmen, the Administration of President Barack Obama and the U.S. Attorney General’s office have all weighed in, asking the Supreme Court to overturn the Defense of Marriage Act. So has Clinton, who said he’s had a change of heart since signing the original legislation into law.

An opinion in both cases is expected in June.

Ben Bullard

Reconciling the concept of individual sovereignty with conscientious participation in the modern American political process is a continuing preoccupation for staff writer Ben Bullard. A former community newspaper writer, Bullard has closely observed the manner in which well-meaning small-town politicians and policy makers often accept, unthinkingly, their increasingly marginal role in shaping the quality of their own lives, as well as those of the people whom they serve. He argues that American public policy is plagued by inscrutable and corrupt motives on a national scale, a fundamental problem which individuals, families and communities must strive to solve. This, he argues, can be achieved only as Americans rediscover the principal role each citizen plays in enriching the welfare of our Republic.

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  • Smokestack

    Well meaning people play into the hands of the evil one by using his politically correct euphemisms.
    In this instance, the use of the euphemism “gay” helps to spread his unacceptable evil by glossing over what it really is; (homosexuality) making the term “gay” acceptable in the thinking of the uneducated masses.
    ALWAYS use the correct terminology: pervert, homosexual, deviant, or sodomite. CEASE using the evil one’s terminology, “gay;” it only promotes the spread of his agenda.

    • krc

      Gee I guess we should refer to straight people as whorenongers adulterers fornicators and pedophiles

    • Dave

      There are no valid arguements against same sex marriage. Only bigotry. If you are against same sex marriage, your solution is easy… Don’t marry someone of the same sex.

      The bigots have no logical reason to deny two people of adult age from engaging in what the Gov considers a legal contract. That is what marraige is in the eyes of the Gov and if you are against that, then you are against the US Constitution.

      Is called freedom and liberty… Funny, I think I heard those words mentioned around here from time to time.

      • FreedomFighter

        “There are no valid arguements against same sex marriage.”

        10,000 years of history shows the destruction of “traditional family” leads to the destruction of every society that has gone the way of condoning “same sex”, from sodom to the Roman Empire to the current troubles in the Catholic Church with gay pedofile priests — ruination of said society and its eventual fall.

        Hmmm…”no valid arguements against same sex marriage” is pure bigot talk.

        Laus Deo
        Semper FI

        • Jim in NY

          How does marriage equality result in the “destruction of the family”?

        • Dave

          Yes FF,

          Please enilighten everyone how homosexuals being allowed to marry means the “destruction” of the family.

          Of course the past 30 years bad trade deals for the US, deregulation, tax cut and spend all contributing to having 2 people working to makes ends met has no impact on the family.

          Its just two people you have ZERO connection to.. thats the reason.

          I see.

        • krc

          Name those societies all 10000 years of them. I can’t think of one

        • Robert Smith

          ” with gay pedofile priests — ”

          Quit lying, Freedom.

          Being gay and being a pedophile are two different things.

          Oh, and after 800 YEARS of Roman dominance the Christians took over and we had the Dark ages.

          Rob

        • Charlie

          krc,,, without Acts 2:38,,,
          Can you read ??? it was pointed out as sodom ,,,that is Sodom and Gomorrah…Read Genesis 19,,,dummie………………………………………

        • Robert Smith

          What’s Gamority, Charley? Am I missing something?

          How’s that brutal Christian hero, Lott doing? Lost his home, pimped his virgin daughters (and failed), eventually had sex with them… Oh myyyyyy, I think George Tekai (Sulu) from Star Trek should play him in the next movie rendition.

          Rob

      • alpha-lemming

        100% correct…. with 1 minor little caveat. You can’t call it marriage. That’s a term reserved for the church (Does the “Rite of Holy Matrimony” ring a bell??). Common Law, same-sex, JP unions yadda yadda….. should all recieve the same percs as wedded couples, but outside the church??? they’re all civil unions. The marriage ceremony is a church rite (not a right) and I know you don’t wanna let the church anywhere near the state…. the separation thang y’know….

        • Robert Smith

          Wow Alpha, but not all “churches” agree with you. Check out Bishop Spong and his efforts, along with several others, including the Episcopalians.

          You will have to argue with THEM about who is the “true Christian.” They like you proclaim they are.

          Rob

        • Charlie

          Robert Smith,,,
          You are incredibly stupid regarding The Holy Bible and what it says to ID “”Real” Christian Churches,,, a Whole Bible Christian are “True” Christians PER The Book…
          It matters little what others do,,,each person is accountable ONLY for their “”Sins”"…
          IF?,,,you had no part in “Their” sins,,,you will not be Judged per “Their” sins…
          Bible Law,,,the only real Law IS NOT subject to “”"Popularity Politics”"”,,,just because the Majority are doing it,,,Does NOT make anything “”Lawful”"”,PER The Book……………….
          IF? a Church or anyone IS NOT Preaching , Teaching PER The Holy Bible , The Whole Bible in general and Scriptures in particular,,,THEN,,,look out!!! they may NOT be True Christians… IF?,,, you cannot show Scripture to approve what you are doing,,,THEN,,, you may not Have The Approval of King Jesus Christ…. Meanwhile …
          Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

          Charlie Freedom

        • Robert Smith

          Anyone who “interprets” the Christian bible for hate isn’t christion, IMO.

          Quit using your holy book to beat others up with and please go home. You can do what you want there and not have as many abortions as you don’t want to have, you don’t have to marry anyone of the same sex, and you don’t have to watch “Happy Days” if you don’t want to.

          Rob

      • Charlie

        Dave,,,
        Read Ezekiel 3:19 and find out why I am writing a word of warning to any of these homo heathens,,,so,,,when Matthew 22:13 happens you can’t say you were not warned…
        Meanwhile… Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

        Charlie Freedom

    • old hillbilly

      Very good post – gets to the subject & problem. Stir the privy & the bubbles come to the top – they can’t stand truth! Truth compels them to blame good people for the bad things perverts instinctly do.

    • krc

      Sounds like you got dumped for a lesbian

    • Robert Smith

      According to Smokestack’s gas: “ALWAYS use the correct terminology:”

      So Lott wasn’t a pimp when he was god’s chosen as he offered his girls to the mob?

      Rob

  • Hedgehog

    I think it’s time to throw the cat among the pigeons! Gay or homosexual marriage has always been legal! Back in the bad old days, there used to be TWO (possibly more) kinds of marriage; CHURCHED (married by a priest or priestess in the sight of a deity, under the canons of a church) and COMMON LAW. Churched marriages were under the auspices and restrictions of the church in question. COMMON LAW simply meant a couple living together sex or lack thereof notwithstanding! The ancient jumping over a broom ceremony was a common law marriage. It’s the religious aspect that is muddying the waters and no matter how the courts decide they will be wrong! Your Constitution does not give the courts or the government any powers over any church, including the right to protect or persecute said church. Give it up people. Let the churches do their thing re homosexuals. Let the homosexuals do their thing but not in church. For goodness sake legalize both heterosexual and homosexual marriages as civil cohabitation contracts and while you’re at it legalize bigamy, polygamy and line marriage! GET THE GOVERNMENT AND THE COURT OUT OF THE BEDROOMS OF THE NATION AND END THIS SILLY ARGUMENT ONCE AND FOR ALL!

    • Robert Smith

      Yea Hedgehog!

      The BIG question is: Why is it anyone’s business what goes on between consenting adults in private?

      Rob

      • Vicki

        This is one of those things that Robert Smith and I actually agree on.

        What goes on between consenting adults is no one else’s business at all. Ever.

      • Charlie

        It’s about God’s Jurisdiction ,nitwits , where can any one hide from God’s Jurisdiction???

      • Robert Smith

        Simple, Charlie. I don’t believe in your brutal version of what you call a Christian god.

        Now, scamper back to your own church and commune (remember that cannibalism thing) among your fellows and leave the rest of us alone. We don’t want you. Just go away and mind your own business..

        Rob

      • Charlie

        Robert Smith,,,et al,,,.
        Your ignorance of The Almighty God and His Son King Jesus Christ is gross… The Bible says “My people perish for lack of knowledge” ,,,Hosea 4:6… So what do you think is going to happen to you nitwit sinners ???

      • krc

        Charlie the only knowledge you have is what some flock fleecing preacher has spoon fed up your butt

  • Franklyn Molina

    Let me put it to you this way, the more failed straight marriages I see(John and Kate, Anthony Weiner, Eliot Spitzer), the more I suppport gay marriage. You want me to support things like DOMA, then give a damn about the so-called sanctity of marriage, straight people; STOP GETTING DIVORCED! If you weren’t happy with your significant other when you first tied the knot, then you shouldn’t be even getting married in the first place. Besides, we’re better off letting the gay community discover that marriage is just a hollow institution like the rest of us mere mortals have.

  • http://eyebooger.wordpress.com glitterbug143

    The California courts ruled Prop 8 unconstitutional. It is only going to the Supremes because the “Yes on 8″ side is crazy and hateful and thinks that we should legalize discrimination. I am hoping the SCOTUS makes the right decision and supports marriage equality.

  • STEVE E.

    The fight over DOMA is all about getting government benefits. Just like anything else, it’s all about money.

  • Doc Sarvis

    Hopefully, the biginning of the end of these discriminating practices. The conservative court should make the right and constitutional decision.

  • FreedomFighter

    The fix is in — IMHO we will see gay marriage.

    As history has proven, whatever the dynamics, all nations that do this fall.

    Laus Deo
    Semper FI

  • Karolyn

    Heard a very good interview on NPR yesterday that included a law professor at Catholic University, an author of a book on the Constitution and a gay rights advocate. From what I heard, the Court will make the right decision adn strike down Prop 8.

  • FreedomFighter

    In reality it is the beginning of the end of America.

    Laus Deo
    Semper FI

  • krc

    I fully support gay marriage. They can’t do any worse with it than straight people have.

  • Warrior

    Majority vote Prop 8 in. Wrong
    Majority vote oblama in. Wrong
    Majority vote against oblamacare. Wrong
    Majority vote against gun control. Wrong

    Looks like a “pattern” is developing. Appears as though Majority can’t get anything Right!

  • dan

    I see no reason for gays not to be as miserable as baby making heterosexuals (normal) folk…
    but I see nothing in the Constitution about regulating what is a religious / personal decission

  • Robert Smith

    Of course a majority vote for slavery would be WRONG too. The Constitution is in place to protect the minority against the excesses of the majority.

    BTW, the majority of Americans are now in favor of same sex marriage and Obamacare.

    AND! Most Americans are in favor of background checks.

    Rob

  • Robert Smith

    Really? Fall? Rome did OK and when they “fell” humanity went into the dark ages under the Christians.

    Rob

  • Robert Smith

    Actually “the end” is being forced by extremists who blow up things like the Meura building, women’s health care centers, and those who let pedophiles get away with it as part of their organization.

    Those who take personal freedoms away, like reproductive issues for women, recreational drugs of choice, gun choices, the right to die in the way one chooses… THOSE are the ones who are taking freedoms.

    Letting someone CHOOSE who they want to marry… That’s a FREEDOM you are advocating some Americans not have. Shame on you.

    Rob

  • Doc Sarvis

    Why would allowing gay marriage be the beginning of the end. There have always been gays in our country, many have fought and died for our freedoms.

  • Dave

    FF,

    What is your evidence that allowing homosexuals to enjoy the same rights you do is the beginning of “the end”? Give me a connection.

    If you can’t, then you need to take the “freedom” from your name because its false advertizing.

  • Hedgehog

    Cheer up Freedom Fighter. If homosexuality is genetically based then either it is a dominant mutation and you’re absolutely correct or it’s not. If it’s not then in time homosexuality will die out and you’re right again, but only for homosexuals. If homosexuality is a learned behavior, then it’s not the end and some adjustments will have to be made. Don’t sweat it man, only time will tell and you have two chances out of three of being right.

  • Robert Smith

    I strongly agree with you but I also want freedom for ALL Americans too. That includes those law abiding citizens who want to own firearms. As you demand your freedom might you please support freedom for others?

    Rob

  • http://www.facebook.com/cindy.mcclellan.7 Cindy McClellan

    Since so many state that marriage is a civil right, what are civil rights? I thought civil rights had to do with voting, owning property, not being considered the property of someone else. This is what civil rights were when fighting to free slaves and this is what the suffragettes fought for. When did marriage become a civil right.

    Marriage is an institution ordained by Jehovah which governments subsequently co-opted. Get governemnt out of marriage all together and the problem goes away.

  • Walt

    The only “right” decision that the SCOTUS can make is to say that they don’t have standing on the issue, and kick it back to the states where it Constitutionally belongs.

    Any other decision, for or against the issue would be wrong, and a disasterous usurpation of authority which has not been given to the SCOTUS.

  • rendarsmith

    Majority are in favor of Obamacare??? Where are you getting your information? Poll after poll has shown that a majority of Americans are against it!

  • Newspooner

    I agree with Ron Paul when he said, “Leave the queers alone.” Let homosexuals do what they want with each other. Just don’t let them do it to unwilling participants and children. And don’t let them get away with calling it marriage. Marriagae has been defined for centuries by society in general. We should not let government get away with redefining marriage. If government can redefine marriage, then it can redefine anything, and all liberty will be quickly lost. Tolerance is fine, but don’t let them coerce you into approving something that you don’t really approve. That is bigotry.

  • Robert Smith

    You made the original claim, but burden of proof is on you.

    Rob

  • FreedomFighter

    A perfect example of why society should avoide such a thing.

    Whatever the dynamics involved — decay of society, eventual failure of society, then dark ages.

    Thanks for pointing out a perfect example of why this issue is so important.

    Laus Deo
    Semper FI

  • rendarsmith

    Uh-oh, we got a Christian-hating atheist here!

  • FreedomFighter

    BTW the church of Rome is still here, the gay, pedofile Roman Empire is well…gone.

    again thanks for making my point robby.

    Laus Deo
    Semper FI

  • Chester

    It wasn’t THE Christians who kept all of Europe buried in the dark ages, but SOME Christians. Do believe the popes had a big hand in that, as did the whole idea of a feudal society, where the less the peasant knows, the better for the lord of the manor. Much of our current knowledge of the ancient world was kept alive in various monasteries, including those at the Vatican.

  • old hillbilly

    Amendment 1, 4, and 14 interact to unequivocally protect religion from government. Nothing therein protects government from religion! The only way anyone can “legally” change those easily defined English language words is by ratified Amendment.
    Government officials are the arms of government.

    Clearly, government is establishing religion by arbitrarily eliminating and creating beliefs, restricting free exercise thereof, and punishing citizens for religious beliefs without probable cause, warrant, or due process. They’re destroying religious covenants of marriage by passing secular laws the redefine the sacred word “marriage” to include and sanctify perverse and medically dangerous acts that have been religiously defined as sodomy and an abomination! In fact, government mocks religion without even bothering to enumerate the acts they sanctified as sacred by contemptuously calling them “marriage”.

    Marriage is a religious covenant dating back to the beginning of recorded time! Constitution and law allows contract and ownership agreements by partners, incorporation, whatever. Citizens are free to engage, without marriage, into contracts, will to anyone they want, or worship Satan if they wish, as long as they respect the rights of others. Homosexual “marriage” mocks, denigrates, and spoils the religious covenant of “marriage”. Government acts to redefine religious covenants is in direct contempt of Amendment 1, 4, and 14! We don’t need more laws! We need to enforce the Constitution, laws there under, and prosecute officers who violate oath of office oath of office!

  • http://www.facebook.com/cindy.mcclellan.7 Cindy McClellan

    the dark ages were a result of Government controlled religion (ready your history). That is the same thing the US government is trying to do today – control religion.

  • Hedgehog

    Robert Smith, Rome didn’t fall, it was tripped and nibbled to death by barbarians while it was unconscious! I cite as proof Hadrian’s Wall which was built to keep my ancestors, the Scots barbarians out of Roman Britain. Also check out the Teutoberger Wald, and where the Term Vandalism came from. The Christians served the Roman Empire in the capacity of Lion food.

  • Robert Smith

    Freedom fighter says: ” eventual failure of society, then dark ages.”

    You forgot the Christian part.

    Rob

  • FreedomFighter

    K,

    Family is the foundation of society. Once the foundation is eroded and weakened, the society is doomed. 10,000 years of history shows this to be true, it will be no different in America.

    You and many others are deluded if you think destruction of the traditional family is the “right thing to do”, history has proven otherwise.

    Laus Deo
    Semper FI

  • Doc Sarvis

    The essence of “family” or “traditional family” is the intense bond of love and devotion to the unit (for lack of a better term). That can be a single parent home (whether by death or divorce), a multi-race home (parents, adopted children, etc.), a heterosexual couple (with or without children), OR a homosexual couple (with or without children). That foundation you speak of is not going to disappear.

  • krc

    Laus straight people have destroyed marriage. Look at all thedivorce and adultery
    Gays are not going to do any worse

  • http://www.facebook.com/dan.mancuso.56 Dan Mancuso

    FF
    You are foundationally correct.
    The traditional family means one man and one woman, procreating to make babies to carry on the human race. The traditional ‘family’ is the most sound structure, proven for however many thousand tears, to promote physical, emotional and spiritual health and support to raise children. It is also the basic structure that supports a healthy community. There are no viable alternatives! Just like there is not one shred of legitimate information out there in the entire universe that says that homosexuality is anyrhing but wrong! Fact!
    The problem with the homosexuals is they are all insane, the various western psycological associations all used to say so – correctly – until political pressure was applied. Homosexuals just want approval from normal people, read heterosexual, so they can continue practicing their sick behaviour, without guilt, because they know, deep down, that what they’re doing is very wrong. They’re sick remember.
    The reason the government gets involved in marriage was to recognize the importance of the traditional family structure and provide benefits for that family structure that SHOULD NOT be provided for other non traditional structures!
    As far as homosexuals ‘raising’ children, well, that is down right criminal.
    So, the question needs to be asked, why do these homosexuals and their fellow travelers want to destroy society?

  • Vicki

    “So, the question needs to be asked, why do these homosexuals and their fellow travelers want to destroy society?”

    A more fundamental question is what about freedom of expression?
    Are some expressions more equal than others?

  • Robert Smith

    “want to destroy society?””

    Tell us Vicki, just how has your life changed since gays have been allowed to marry in some states. Please be specific. Do the yokes on your eggs break more often? Does the paperboy toss the paper into the gutter more often?

    Do tell us Vicki, just how does the marriage contract between a same sex couple impact your life.

    Rob

  • Chester

    For all of who say our current laws on marriage are “God-given rules,” you really might want to go back to those same dark ages several people have brought up and study why marriage as we know it now was established, It had nothing to do with the church and everything to do with the control of property and wealth. If a woman is bound to a man for life, she needs nothing he doesn’t provide, or so the theory goes. And, if she needs nothing not provided by her male, she has no need to own anything, period. The peasants didn’t worry too much about a formal marriage, the couple would consult with the local wise woman, who would talk with them about the things they needed to know, then would pronounce them a family. Sometimes the couple would jump over a stick or walk under a particular tree together, but there was no formality, mostly because there was little, if any property to worry about, and NO wealth.

  • carrobin

    You’re so right, Chester. And remember that “marriage” once meant that a man could marry as many women as he could afford to feed.

  • krc

    Old hillbilly straight people also practice sodomy one does not have to be gay to be a sodomite.

  • Jim in NY

    The issue before the court is civil marriage. There will be no impact on religious marriage when DOMA is overturned.

  • Jim in NY

    There is nothing wrong with that is there. There are also non-monetary benefits such as establishing residency rights for foreign same sex partners.

  • Robert Smith

    Hey Steve, please pay attention for a moment.

    We have four people. Two boys and two girls. If the boys marry the girls it’s OK. Two couples. If the girls marry each other, as do the boys, it is STILL TWO COUPLES.

    It ain’t about “money” because it is still two couples.

    It’s about some denying FREEDOM in America. That’s un-American.

    Rob

  • http://google gary gerke

    Right on dude!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

  • krc

    I would enjoy the company of loving. Committed gay couples than some of the pig headed bigots who check their brain at the door every time they go to church

  • krc

    I agree with you Robert just as I support my gay friends. The greater danger to Americans is the assault on gun owners

  • http://msn Neal deInge

    Robert ….personal freedoms, rights? your list sounds like demands! Whatever you demand you take from another which deprives him of his rights so in reality the only right you may truly claim as your own is in the hands of the Creator!

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAYS

    “President Obama came out with approval of same-sex marriage. He said that over the years, he has been going through an evolution on the issue. That makes opponents on the far right doubly angry. They don’t believe in gay marriage OR evolution.” –Jimmy Kimmel

    “You know who is really against the president’s position on gay marriage? Gay men afraid of commitment. Now they have no excuse.” –Jay Leno

    “Soon we may live in a world where the only people opposed to gay marriage will be gay people who are married.” –Craig Ferguson

    “Mitt Romney responded today by restating his own views on marriage. He said marriage should only take place between two consenting rich people.” –Craig Ferguson

    “Romney said he had no problem with gay people because one of his best friends owns San Francisco.” –Craig Ferguson

    “Newt Gingrich says he does not support gay marriage. He says marriage is a sacred sacrament that should only be between a man and his first, second, and third wives.” –Conan O’Brien

    “New York Gov. Cuomo legalized gay marriage. I think it’s great for everybody — especially divorce lawyers.” –David Letterman

    “When you’re a gay couple getting married, who gets the bachelor party? Who goes downstairs in the middle of the night to check on the noise? Who forgets the anniversary? Who refuses to stop and ask for directions? And which one of you will take forever to get ready?” –David Letterman

    “Opponents of gay marriage will now appeal to the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco — good luck there. You’d have better luck with a show of hands at a Lady Gaga concert.” –Jimmy Kimmel

    “A California judge has overruled California’s ban on gay marriage. Finally gay men can marry someone other than Liza Minelli.” –Jay Leno

    “As of today, same-sex couples may now legally get married in Vermont. So finally, finally, after years of waiting, we’ll get to hear these words out of Vermont: ‘I now pronounce you Ben and Jerry.’” –Conan O’Brien

    “Dick Cheney said today, he supports gay marriage. I think he only supports gay marriage because he sees marriage as a form of torture, but anyway, he supports it.” –Craig Ferguson

    “Somehow bigotry won out here, even in liberal California. We voted to outlaw gay marriage. … But I have to stand with the gays on this. Gay people, I think, have every right to insist that they will not be happy until they’re allowed to be miserable.” –Bill Maher

    “Gay marriage is now legal in California and yesterday, a lesbian couple who are 83 and 87 years old got married. Witnesses are describing the ceremony as ‘beautiful’ – and the honeymoon as ‘horrifying.’” –Conan O’Brien

    “Gay folks are now allowed to get married in San Francisco. All of California. So right now, gay men are asking themselves the big question: who’s driving and who nags.” –David Letterman

    “The California Supreme Court has overturned the ban on gay marriage, paving the way for California’s first legal gay marriages not involving Liza Minnelli. So that’s pretty good. This is groundbreaking. You know what this means? Finally, taking loved ones for granted won’t be just for straight people anymore.” –Jay Leno

    “The Senate has rejected the gay marriage ban. When you think about it, do you really want Congress defining marriage? That’s like asking Charlie Sheen to define monogamy.” –Jay Leno

    “A Senate committee on Thursday approved a constitutional amendment banning same sex marriage, apparently forgetting that our forefathers wore wigs and satin Capri pants.” –Tina Fey

    “Congratulations gay people — you are about to discover the joys of alimony.”

  • http://eyebooger.wordpress.com glitterbug143

    I would suggest my freedoms end at the point where I try to inhibit someone else’s freedoms.

  • Charlie

    Robert Smith,,,
    When you have some evidence that proves The Bible wrong,,,bring it forward,,,otherwise it reads as ALL homo nitwits are heathens…. Meanwhile……… We will…………………….
    Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

    Charlie Freedom

  • Dave
  • FreedomFighter

    You by definition are a BIGOT

    Definition of BIGOT:
    : a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices

    Laus Deo
    Semper FI

  • krc

    Hey freedom fighter gays will win in the end rock on buy some viagra kick your who’re whatever and. Get over it

  • Charlie

    krc,,,
    Are you a heathen or just write as one ? Have you accomplished Acts 2:38???
    Meanwhile… Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

    Charlie Freedom

  • STEVE E.

    There is nothing wrong with getting government money if you live in NY. But in other sane places in the country, it is not.

  • krc

    Guess we are both bigots fine, but at least I’m not some rigid fearfully person and neither was Christ he died for me and gays.

  • krc

    Sounds like you got dumped for a lesbiananother bitter man dumped for a lesbian

  • FreedomFighter

    Krc there is only one way to rock.

    One Way To Rock
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtHaFEbUNr8

    Laus Deo
    Semper FI

  • Dave

    Except FF,

    My distain for your bigotry does not impact your ability to live your life the way you see fit. Yours does.

    So apples and oranges applies here.

  • Vicki

    Dave says:
    “Except FF,

    My distain for your bigotry does not impact your ability to live your life the way you see fit. Yours does.”

    Absent government, how does his disdain impact your ability to live your life as you see fit?

  • Robert Smith

    Vicki, the problem isn’t with how folks live, it’s how they are treated. They don’t get EQUAL treatment under particularly tax law.

    Now, if you give up all your tax breaks under law because you are part of a heterosexual pair then equality would also be in place.

    Rob

  • krc

    Freedom fighter there’s more than one way to rock baby god you must be boring at home I know some lesbians who could give your sperm recepticle a good time

  • krc

    Who are you to approve anything how about you stay away from children!

  • Walt

    The real question in my mind is whether the SCOTUS even has the right to hear such a case. Given that the Enumerated Powers of the Federal Courts are quite limited, and that the Constitution only gives them authority to hear and decide cases on issues related to the limited and narrowly defined responsibilities given to the Federal Government by the States; it seems that this issue of same-sex marriage must lie solely with the individual states.

    James Madison, considered the father of the Constitution said:

    “The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce … the powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which … concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order …and prosperity of the State.”

    In other words, the Federal government (comprised of the Legislative, Executive and Judicial branches) should stick to dealing with matters that concern “external” issues, like declaring war, approving treaties, foreign commerce, raising revenue, establishing and maintaining the military, paying Federal debts, regulating the currency, appointing diplomats, copyrights, patents, etc.

    Note that he also said: “the powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which … concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order …and prosperity of the State.”

    In other words the issues related to the lives of the citizens, such as marriage, car insurance, property rights and taxes, education, to name a few, remain solely under the pervue of each of the inividual states, ie, Federal government…butt out!!

    So it appears to me that the Supremes are usurping authority not invested in them through the Constitution, which they swore to protect and uphold; and such a failure to do so should be considered an impeachable offense.

  • krc

    Yes Charlie I’m very done that the fact is I’m always a little wary of men who promote traditional marriage when most of them have children outside their marriage or affairs or multiple marriages and divorces and who are you to call me a heathen? Are you without sin?

  • Robert Smith

    Hey Charlie, what about Lott who pimped his virgin daughters to the crowd, and then deflowered them himself after drinking a ton of magic wine that got him too drunk to recognize his own daughters but still allowed him to do the deed?

    Interesting “chosen” ones your brutal god has.

    Rob

  • Charlie

    krc,,,
    You did not give any Bible correct answers ,,,,so,,,heathen? give some Truth out and We may see some other evidence for reasoning …………………………..

  • krc

    Look Charlie don’t worry about my salvation that’s none of your damned business and I would not join your screwed up church any way. The Bible is interpretational you don’t have the correct answers either

  • Charlie

    kjr ,,,
    Well ,,,how about that ? you have NO Authority under King Jesus Christ,,,yet,,,claim to know all everything,,,, ha ha ha h ah ha ha …………you’re a bad joke………………………

  • krc

    Right back at you Charlie you have no authority either other than what you have given yourself.

  • Charlie

    krc,,,et al…heathens…
    IF?,,,The Holy Bible is not a Book of “”"Authority”"”and / or ”’Truth”",,,then ,,,what is ‘”"The Book”"you base your “Babel” on??? Should We just believe you because you said it???
    The Bible has thousands of years of history,,,and most of you lying jerks have less than a 100 years of experience at anything………… Meanwhile,,, We will…………………………..
    Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

    Charlie Freedom

  • krc

    What makes you an expert? Your the one who thinks people should except your opinions as fact. Charlie. No one is an authority on god or Christ. Call me a heathen if you like. Would rather be a heathen than be a part of your f—–up delusion.

  • Robert Smith

    Sure there will. The right wing blabbers will want MORE money in their baskets.

    Gotta pay to fight evil, don’t you know?

    How many people would really care what the couple next door is doing without the “guidance” of religious nuts?

    Rob

  • Dave

    Wrong Walt,

    Civil rights cases never belong in state courts.

  • STEVE E.

    If that is the case. Why have government involved in the first place? Just say you are married. Screw what the social path government says. Just don’t ask for government benefits which come from the public. Nobody will stop them.

  • Vicki

    It’s not just the benefits it is also the permissions.

  • Robert Smith

    Vicki, Steve, are you ready to give up YOUR benefits as heterosexual couples? After all, that is another way towards equality.

    Then it doesn’t cost the government (us) anything for your version of social engineering.

    Rob

  • Vicki

    The whole argument is silly. Marriage is a religious term between the 2 people and their God. Government at all levels should stay out of it.

    The real reason gay people seem to care about it is there are privileges granted to couples that are granted only to government approved couples.

    This is what needs to change. A new name for the government institution. Domestic partnership?

    Having government define a word would lead to all kinds of mischief. Just look at what they have done with “politically correct” speech.

    Think of the fun they could have if they redefined “not”

  • Robert Smith

    “Marriage is a religious term between the 2 people and their God. Government at all levels should stay out of it.”

    OK, I agree with no state religion. EVERY couple who wants a contract should be able to have the civil one. That’s what “marriage” is in the eyes of the government.

    Further, there are guys like Bishop Song who will marry same sex couples within christanity.

    So there you go, everyone is happy.

    Rob

  • Robert Smith

    Vicki says: “Marriage is a religious term between the 2 people and their God. Government at all levels should stay out of it.”

    Why do you lie to us? Marriage is a civil contract that the government has an interest in when it concerns property, taxes, and even health care.

    Remember, even atheists can and do get married in America.

    Rob

  • http://eyebooger.wordpress.com glitterbug143

    Get religion out of politics and the problem goes away. Heterosexual companies get better tax reliefs and other benefits than homosexual couples. That’s not civil. It creates a subclass.

  • Robert Smith

    NO STATE RELIGION.

    It’s that simple. Anyone’s “biblical” definition fails the moment religion is cited.

    Rob

  • Charlie

    Robert Smith,,,
    What is your “”Authority”"” under King Jesus Christ???

  • Robert Smith

    Charlie I don’t care about you, your religious rants, your religion, or that you are trying to appoint a particular deity (in your case a particularly brutal one) to run my life.

    Take your brutal god and go to your own house of worship and blather all you want is my suggestion.

    BTW, although it is your right to speak I have absolutely no obligation to listen to you.

    Rob

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