Are You An Enemy Of The State?

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The massive and hyper-Orwellian nature of the surveillance state as revealed by Edward Snowden and The Guardian seems to have caught the majority of Americans by surprise.

Even some of the criminal class in Washington, D.C., responsible for writing the laws that established the surveillance state, claimed surprise and feigned outrage, though many of them endorsed it and went on the attack against Snowden and Glenn Greenwald, the journalist who broke the story. The reaction of the psychopaths who inhabit the D.C. cesspool under the mantel of “public servant” is indicative that they covet power above all else and to them the U.S. Constitution — which they swore an oath to defend — is a meaningless and antiquated document.

Representative Peter King (Fascist-N.Y.) said he believes journalists involved in reporting stories about the surveillance programs should be investigated.

Weeper of the House John Boehner called Snowden a traitor because what he did was “a giant violation of the law;” Senator Diane Feinstein (Communist-Calif.) also invoked the “T” word. Senator Barbara Mikulski (Socialist-Md.) wondered how someone who didn’t finish community college could be “exposed to some of our most significant secrets.” That the politically opposed criminal class would side with one another on blatant violations of the 1st, 4th and 5th Amendments and against the American people is evidence that government is an enemy of the people.

What Snowden revealed is not new and certainly not surprising. In fact, reading about it reminded me of something I wrote in October 2001 for publication in my printed newsletter, The Bob Livingston Letter™ (subscription required) in November 2001:

It Was War On Drugs.

Now It’s War On Terrorism.

Both were created by the U.S. establishment and both never intended to be won.

Both were designed as esoteric war on the American people under a mask of “patriotic” war fever.

Is there a hidden power, a shadow government behind the Pentagon and Trade Center Towers attack — a force using an Arab terrorist mantra?

The vast modern military operation to ferret out and bring to justice “Arab terrorist” Osama bin Laden and company is a comical production sold as real by the controlled media and bureaucrats of the establishment. The “success” of the charade will be the beginning of widespread terrorism and fear hysteria on the American people…

The terrorist scare is providing the excuse, as expected, for new police powers against the American people. There will be a massive surrender of what we have left of liberty. This drama against us is quickly unfolding. All phases of our public and private lives are at stake. Manufactured crises always provide the cover for seizure of human rights. Phony patriotism is strong leverage against a population ignorant of the ways of treason by “our own government.”

Osama Bin Laden, U.S. ally and a CIA contract agent in Afghanistan, is now branded a super villain worthy of a comic opera.

The art of war is that all warfare is based on deception and that rulers must cultivate the appearance of moral rightness in order to rally the people and persuade them to fight. It works!

In the blink of an eye the people have stopped blaming the government for the worsening economy and shifted the blame to the “terrorists.”

The government of the United States has reasserted its power over the American people. It is now stronger, much stronger, because of the “terrorist” attack. Any student of history would know ahead of time that government power is strengthened by horrendous attacks such as we have seen on our own people.

Who really benefited from the attacks? The answer is the U.S. government is now ready to wage a simulated war on the Arabs and real war on the American people.

History is full of governments which perpetrated monumental frauds upon their own people to trigger a war. Governments have to create the illusion that they were attacked first. Sacrificing the World Trade Towers, a billion dollars, and seven to eight thousand lives is nothing to the great chess game of power politics and oil under Arab lands.

The U.S. intelligence apparatus has been mining data and compiling a list of “subversives” since at least the 1980s. The list is kept in a database called Main Core.

Christpher Ketchum of Radar Magazine reported in 2008 about the existence of the Main Core data mining operation while covering a rift in the George W. Bush White House that led to the resignation of James Comey, John Ashcroft’s second in command at the Department of Justice in 2005. Comey resigned after Bush overruled him and re-certified a program that involved massive computer data mining of Americans and their compilation into a list of possible subversives. Ketcham writes that former government employees and intelligence sources with independent knowledge of domestic surveillance operations, “say the program that caused the flap between Comey and the White House was related to a database of Americans who might be considered potential threats in the event of a national emergency. Sources familiar with the program say that the government’s data gathering has been overzealous and probably conducted in violation of federal law and the protection from unreasonable search and seizure guaranteed by the Fourth Amendment.

“According to a senior government official who served with high-level security clearances in five administrations, ‘There exists a database of Americans, who, often for the slightest and most trivial reason, are considered unfriendly, and who, in a time of panic, might be incarcerated. The database can identify and locate perceived ‘enemies of the state’ almost instantaneously.’ He and other sources tell Radar that the database is sometimes referred to by the code name Main Core. One knowledgeable source claims that 8 million Americans are now listed in Main Core as potentially suspect. In the event of a national emergency, these people could be subject to everything from heightened surveillance and tracking to direct questioning and possibly even detention.”

If the Main Core database contained 8 million American “enemies of the state” in 2005, how many more are now listed considering the greater technological abilities and increased budget and emphasis on mining data? The NSA now collects 2.1 million gigabytes of data per hour and is currently building a $2 billion facility in Utah to store it all.

So who is an enemy of the state and likely to find himself in the Main Core database? The criminal political class has made it quite clear it is not al-Qaida, which it has funded and armed in Egypt, Libya and Syria. It is not Islamic extremists, who have been given blanket immunity from government spying.

It is not the criminal elected class and government functionaries. It is not the parasitic “taker” class too distracted by bread and circus, Hollywood antics, amoral lifestyles, reality TV, and sporting events and too easily swayed by slick oratory, fancy suits and promises of government largess to recognize totalitarianism in the regime of the undocumented usurper and his Congressional enablers.

It is Americans who believe in the rule of the law, the Constitution and freedom.

And since this information is neither new, nor surprising to anyone paying attention, one has to ask what is the purpose of its newfound celebrity and the vilification of Snowden and attacks on the 1st Amendment and Greenwald, who works for a mainstream publication and whose “findings” would not have been revealed were it not in the interests of those who control the message?

It is no doubt part of a new campaign — as was the Internal Revenue Service targeting of conservative groups — designed to suppress and intimidate anyone who dares oppose the growing tyranny. It is aimed especially at any journalist or blogger or potential whistle-blower as a reminder that the Constitution is not a protection against the psychopathic criminal class in Washington or their globalist masters.

Bob Livingston

founder of Personal Liberty Digest™, is an ultra-conservative American author and editor of The Bob Livingston Letter™, in circulation since 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • vicki

    Anyone who professes belief in God, the Constitution as written, freedom, liberty, small government etc. In shorter terms most any of us who post on this site with the noted exception of a few government agents and the “useful idiots”.

    Oh and gun owners.

    • FreedomFighter

      Yes! the Christian GOD is now an enemy of the state…very biblical.
      Laus Deo
      Semper FI

      • podunk1

        Obama, Rubio, Schumer, McCain, Reed, Boehner, Pelosi, Graham, and others are right out of classic mythology – Their song calls “wondrous” locusts that leave the land barren, defenseless, and begging for a ruler. Although it’s very easy to calculate citizen cost of lost jobs, none utter the demonic
        consequences to land owners (citizens). They’re going for the throat and amnesty is the jugular vein! STOP IT!

        pass it on:

        ““Average jobless citizens lose $37,096 take home pay! Government loses$27,204 taxes (employer paid tax/regs. ($14,839 @30%) and employee tax ($12,365@25%) – (Dec, 2012 BLS wage adjusted to 40 hours is $49,462)! Our maniac
        “oppressive” government subsidizes the jobless worker and the criminal aliens who take their jobs @ $73,091 ($36,545.50 each)! The existing cost today is $137,391 for every citizen replaced by a criminal invader! BECAUSE OUR
        EXECUTIVE-LEGISLATIVE OFFICERS WILL NOT ENFORCE CURRENT LAWS OR THE CONSTITUTION! IT’S $1.5 TRILLION EACH YEAR @ 11 MILLION; AND $2.7 TRILLION @ 20 MILLION! Amnesty makes those costs permanent!

        If there are no invader jobs, it all GOES AWAY! If laws were enforced the criminal employers and half of DC would be on a chain gang building their damned fence for beans & water rations; and there would be no one left to obstruct the laws to destroy this once wonderful nation!”

        If we can’t call traitors, “traitors”, and prosecute them, freedom
        is theirs to do what they want to you and every other citizen!!! Let them be known by what they are and demand justice!

        ref BLS dec, 2012!

    • TexasOlTimer

      Basically anyone in the country that once would have been considered an average everyday patriotic American….

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        Patriotism is a buzz word used to entrance those who aren’t sophisticated to know that it is all a cover to better feather the nest of those individuals who are in the Political Class.

        • TexasOlTimer

          I’m not sure what world you live in but patriotism is not a buzz word in my world. It is meant just as it was when the guys (and women) returned from WWII in the 1940s and 1950s – those of us that salute the flag, say the Pledge of Allegiance, take off our hat when the Star Spangled Banner is sung with our hands over our hearts, that have died to keep this country free, that believe in the Constitution, that attend the church of their choice on Sundays and respect those of other religions (or none) that make other choices, that may not like what you say but ‘will defend to the death your right to say it,’ and when we take an oath to defend the Constitution, we mean it – that oath isn’t just words that are mouthed.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            The meaning of words has changed or is it you haven’t noticed? The character of the people has also changed.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            The Pledge of Allegiance was written by a Socialist.
            Those who died weren’t keeping this country free. Quite the opposite (although most were unaware). Wars are fought to further Leaders’ Powers over their citizens.
            You may have taken an oath to defend the Constitution, but obviously those were empty words, or we wouldn’t be in the Unfree mess we’re in right now.
            You need to read this book, OlTimer, and get a clue as to what’s really going on:
            http://library.mises.org/books/John%20V%20Denson/A%20Century%20of%20War%20Lincoln,%20Wilson%20and%20Roosevelt.pdf

          • TexasJester

            I agree with OlTimer. The Oath that I took for the Navy still binds me today – and I am NOT the cause of this mess! I did NOT vote for the commie-muslime in office – in fact, I have been extremely vocal AGAINST him – in truck stops, on the cb radio (I drive a truck cross-country), and on the web.

            I freely gave the Oath because I believed in the Constitution – still do. This administration is doing all it can to destroy it. As of right now, it’s not wise to take up arms against this administration (may be, soon, though!), so I fight with words.

            I am an AMERICAN! I am PROUD to be an AMERICAN – what was once the GREATEST nation on earth. I am PROUD of the ideals this nation was founded on – and disgusted in what she has become. I am patriotic – and that’s not a buzzword. I can tear up hearing a well-sung rendition of the Star-Spangled Banner. I fly the Flag off my truck – and I say the Pledge every day. To you these may be empty words – to me, they are words to live and die by.

            I am willing to die for my Constitution. And that just may happen in the coming fight – I will not sit idly by and let others do my fighting. I will join my brothers and sisters in arms to defeat the usurpers in Washington – and restore America and her Constitution to the glory she once had.

            What will you do? Sit back and wrong your hands? You are pathetic – you have NO CLUE what the Flag, the Constitution, and the Pledge means.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            They’ve been stepping all over the Constitution since Woodrow Wilson, Jester, and you’re still alive. Why is that?

            Also, Jester, I’d like to know how either one of you Texans could have possibly been fighting for our Freedom, when you don’t even have the slightest clue what Freedom is?

            It does not mean — Free to do things your way.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            The Pledge of Allegiance flies in the face of Individual Freedom, Jester.
            I don’t pledge allegiance to a flag.
            I pledge allegiance to all the Freedom Loving people in this country who would like to get us back to respect for Individual Liberty, Free Markets, Limited Government, Personal Responsibility, and the PEACE that results from those.

          • TexasJester

            READ the words of the Pledge, especially the last line:

            I pledge allegiance to the Flag if the United States of America,
            For which it stands,
            One nation under God,
            For LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

            The Flag represents the United States, which is formed by the Constitution. By pledging allegiance to the FLAG, we pledge allegiance to the CONSTITUTION, and all the liberties, justice, and freedoms it guarantees.

            Apparently you missed that!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Apparently, you missed the fact “Nation” is a euphemism for the PTBs.

            What has pledging allegiance to anything got to do with Individual Freedom? It’s the kind of thing that Union Officials push for, or Communists, or any other kind of Freedom-robbing Leaders.

            From Wikipedia:
            “According to the Flag Code, the Pledge “should be rendered by standing at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart. When not in uniform men should remove any non-religious headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart. Persons in uniform should remain silent, face the flag, and render the military salute”.

            Yep, that sure sounds like Individual Freedom (sarcasm).

            When I was a child, I had enough sense to see that the Pledge of Allegiance was about turning otherwise Free People into mindless robots.

            Sig Heil!

          • vicki

            missing a part of the pledge
            “…and to the Republic, for which it stands…”

          • TexasJester

            Oh, mercy – please forgive me.. I was in a hurry. Thought it wasn’t right, but I didn’t have time to looks at it!

          • vicki

            welcome :) btw you can edit your posts.

    • KG

      Proof by bald assertion / argument to ridicule

      • vicki

        oh look, KG has learned some new words. And fails to use them correctly. No wonder JeffH and others think he is a parrot.

  • Harold Olsen

    Am I an enemy of the state? You’re damn right I am. All it takes to be an enemy of the state is to disapprove and oppose Obama and his Nazi policies, and I’m proud to say I very much disapprove and oppose Obama and his Nazi policies.

    • jon

      Am I an enemy of the state because i know now the republican party and it’s leadership are helping to kill America, ya, ya their bravado saying “God bless the USA” and eating apple pie and pitching the first ball out on World Series day. but it’s a cover they are guilty of helping the Democrats destroy America. they do it by not apposing the supreme court nominees Obama wants, they do it by NDAA and NAFTA, GATA. they do it by expanding the patriot act and not going after Obama unconstitutional executive orders. Obama even gave INTERPOL diplomatic immunity and so much more. You Democrats should love the GOP!

    • FreedomFighter

      I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that his justice cannot sleep forever. —Thomas Jefferson
      Laus DeoSemper FI

  • KG

    Yous guys didn’t complain about Joe McCarthy in the 50’s. And you didn’t complain about Ronald Reagan and his selling off of Americas industrial base to the lowest bidder. And you surely didn’t complain when the pack supreme court allowed a puppet to be our president. So, why complain now? Oh, I see, you hate THIS “regime” because it actually wants to protect America? And it wants to help the “parasitic “taker” class too distracted by bread and circus, Hollywood antics, amoral lifestyles, reality TV, and sporting events”, or in other words, the common working class American. Don’t you see the problem? You are at another war – the war on the working class – or proletarians.

    There is a spectre haunting Amerikkka.

    • vicki

      Yous guys didn’t complain about Joe McCarthy in the 50’s.

      Kinda hard to complain when we hadn’t been born yet. As to those that were how could you possibly know if they complained or not? Al Gore hadn’t invented the internet yet.

      • KG

        Ummm.. there is a very socialistic aspect of American life that people take for granted. They are called ‘Public Library’, the ‘internet of the 19-20th century’.

        • Nadzieja Batki

          Who did the choosing of the books and writings that were placed in the “Public Library”?

          • KG

            People were hired by a state, county, municipality, community, and given a budget of the peoples commonwealth to purchase and distribute literature for the good and literacy of us all. I think if you go to your library, all of Rush Limbaughs political screed should be available to all.Wait, Rush might loose money, so I’m not so sure if thats the case. It seems I recall seeing one of his books at a public library filed under humor.

        • vicki

          Oh you mean that place where the the librarian tells you to hush, people are trying to read/study?

          I rather think the social aspect of the town square is closer to that subset of the internet where you now see people conversing in great numbers.

          Doesn’t solve the problem of not being born yet.

    • jon

      The two party system is a farce and needs to end today.

      So now you guys are in power and its your turn to be winners and to tell everyone else “go to hell”. sooner or later a Republican will be President and they will say we are the winners, so go to hell with you too. Do you not see this sports team mentality here? both political parties are pure evil open your eyes and admit you have been had, i did. But i am sure you will not believe me even when you are homeless, without food, cold , sick, your kids need cancer treatments and you dieing in a dark wet card board box with cold chills so intense a blowtorch set on high cant even worm your bones, but somehow it will be the republicans fault why your life turned out this way. you will not see it as a combined effort by both parties to put us in poverty so welcome to the NWO and the One World Government and please hurry up and die you are sucking up our air and putting Co2 in our environment.

      When the last part of the first paragraph i so colorfully described to you dose happen, please try to remember this post on “Personal Liberty Digest” and imagine me laughing at you and saying YOU dumb azzz.

      • KG

        “The histroy of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles………..what the bourgeoisie produces, above all, is it’s own gravediggers…….Its fall and the victory of the proletariat are equally inevitable”-Karl Marx

        Arise workers of the world, all you have to lose is your chains!

        • hippybiker

          Another Communist butcher(probably one of KGs heros)once said…”All political power emanates from the barrel of a gun.” Chairman Mao I think I will cling to my Bible and my Guns.

        • Kenneth Terry Defee

          Nice post…will pass it on. Thank you.

        • rhcrest

          You seriously expect anyone around here to pay attention to karl marx quotes? I mean get real

          • KG

            Ever read ‘the comminist manefesto’? It’s almost like reading todays newspaper. Like Black Dynamite would say “…can you dig it?”

          • Don 2

            KG,

            Ever read “The Road to Serfdom” by Nobel Prize-winning economist and world-renowned scholar Friedrich Hayek? Original copyright 1944, but still applicable today, and a warning. Hayek employed economics to investigate both the thoughts and actions of mankind, using the knowledge he gained to unveil the totalitarian nature of socialism and to explain how it inevitably leads to “serfdom.” Hayek taught that socialism leads to slavery and that those who try to control an economy are guilty not only of a fatal conceit but also of factual errors-which inevitably doom planned economics.

            Under socialism, the rich get poorer, but the poor also get poorer.

          • KG

            Friedrich Hayek : friend, financial advisor, and personal Jesus to Agusto Pinochet. The ‘Generalissimo’ of Chile – famous for throwing political dissidents out of helicopters over the Andes mountains, as well as the Pacific ocean. I know you will throw-up the “economic miracle” of Chile, but at what cost? I mean, if you don’t think anyone in your family might get summarily executed by a military junta, then it might seem OK. But, many people would like to see a better future than military dictatorship – which is what most people who advocate a “libertarian” economic system seem to end up supporting.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          The history may indeed be one of class struggles, but that statement belies the fact that under Communism, the Leader class (eg nomenklatura) is the class that prospers, not the masses.
          Only a self-serving member of the Political Class, or a very ignorant dupe would promote such a system.

          • KG

            That was the way communism played out under Stalin-ism. The Revolution in America may play out differently. However, bet your sweet buns there will still be rich people. It may not be you, but they will still be there.

          • vicki

            From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.

            Slaves don’t need ipads, smartphones, etc. They just need to survive so their masters get the most work possible out of them. That is why communism has failed in EVERY instance that it is ever tried.

            That is why it WILL fail should America try it in a bigger scale than Jamestown.

            http://www.endofinnocence.com/2010/04/communism-vs-free-markets-at-plymouth.html

            http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2120669/posts

            http://mises.org/daily/5908/

          • KG

            It figures you would use Pinochets favorite financier of fascism – Von Mises.

            Quote: “It cannot be denied that Fascism and similar movements aiming at the establishment of dictatorships are full of the best intentions and that their intervention has, for the moment, saved European civilization. The merit that Fascism has thereby won for itself will live on eternally in history. But though its policy has brought salvation for the moment, it is not of the kind which could promise continued success. Fascism was an emergency makeshift.”

            -ludwig Von Misies

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Still trying to misinform the readers I see, KG.

            For those who would be ignorant enough to believe anything KG says:
            http://archive.mises.org/18257/mises-on-fascism-again/

          • vicki

            The astute reader will observe that I provided 3 articles all discussing Communism vs Capitalism which was my point. Then KG changes the subject and attempts to provide argument to ridicule (Von Mises).

            In fact the word fascism does not appear anywhere in the article.

          • KG

            Dear vicki,

            I imagine you as a lovely lady, dressed in fine linens and sitting at your writing table with the window open to some beautiful landscape reminiscent of a Monet painting.

            But then reality breaks that vision, and I see some woman in a pink furry bathrobe typing away at her old Packard Bell 386 with a monochrome monitor yelling at the kids to behave themselves.

            I know this will be judged by you as some kind of “Ad Hominem ” attack, but in reality, I’m just trying to affirm your humanness. Thank you for your grammar lessons as well as your lessons in false arguments. It brings me back to my halcyon days of high school when all I wanted to do was to “..party like it’s 1999!”

        • jon

          I may lose my chains, but i also lose my house, my land, my family, my wealth and my health as i work in the detention camps camps serving the elites that now own my land, house, and children. No thank you i will fight for freedom till the bitter end.

    • Darral

      The war that we face is in house, A democratic Controlled Government that is lawless that does not recognize the Constitution as the law of the land, the peoples law, as for spying on citizens every dictator tyrant does it, one must not dare speak against the Dictator or tyrant, To do so results in Death or prison, We are at a cross roads we either submit to this developing Dictatorship , tyrant, the Democratic party or we resist it, If you resist you are an enemy of the Dictatorship, tyrant, If you speak against it you are an enemy, PS Both parties have these dictator tyrants, no question, but the Control resides within the Democratic party.

      • KG

        Sure, go against the will of your neighbors and friends who voted for Mr, Obama. I’m sure they will appreciate your hate filled racist screeds.

        • Al Chemist

          Do you really think our neighbors and friends who voted for Obama would have still voted for him if all the scandals now in the news had been known before the election (as they should have)? Not likely in an honest election.

          • KG

            What “scandals’? Everything yous guys worry about has been proven to be either doctored reports from Republican operatives, or taken completely out of context and waved like a bloody flag (like the one Adolph used to ‘bless’ his SS men).

            2 Timothy 1:7
            For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

            Where does ‘fear’ come from?

          • vicki

            What “scandals’? Everything yous guys worry about has been proven to be
            either doctored reports from Republican operatives, or taken completely
            out of context and waved like a bloody flag

            Proof by bald assertion / argument to ridicule

          • KG

            Correction, proof by actual reality.

            By Zeus you are a pain in the neck!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            We’re waiting for your evidence, KG.
            Just like we waited for Flashman’s evidence. And waited. And waited……..
            Funny, isn’t it, how much they are alike?

          • KG

            Here’s a good one. I’ll let you research further , if you wish: http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/06/16/fox-news-sunday-revives-benghazi-conspiracy-cam/194481

          • vicki

            To be actual reality you would have to at least be able to provide a cite to your assertion. Since you failed to do so….

            Oh and thank you for the complement.

          • vicki
          • KG

            Cato institute? FOX ‘news’? Oh, yea. lots of legitimacy there.

            “By far the greatest bulk of the political ‘education,’
            which in this case one may rightly define with the word
            ‘propaganda,’ is the work of the press. It is the press above all else that carries out this ‘work of enlightenment,’ thus forming a sort of school for adults.”
            -Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf

          • vicki

            argument to ridicule.

            It is interesting that you accurately describe libera MSM right after trying to demonize Cato and Fox News.

          • KG

            Umm…let’s not forget that the majority of the MSM, or main stream media is owned by huge corporations. So, to be honest, any source of news besides foreign or publicly funded news sources should be assumed to be biased towards something. I know you will cry bloody murder about Public Broadcasting, but, unfortunately for yous guys, they tend to uncover the truth most of the time.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Not likely in an honest election and that is given, but they would still have voted for him because it is in their nature and character to vote for the likes of O.

        • hippybiker

          At last! The race card has raised its snake like head. You are what Lenin called a “Useful Idiot” and will most likely be one of the first to get the pistol bullet to the back of the head.

        • FreedomFighter

          KG please keep your shard-born ideas that fester in your fimicolous mind . Your constant effort to bemute and bescumber everyone that thinks differently than you is no more than an Alinsky tactic almost all here know well and ignore – stop wasting my time with posts of steatorrhea.

          Laus Deo
          Semper FI

        • Marc Cantell

          First of all KG, OBAMA is not BLACK he’s a HEINZ57, not only that but VOTER FRAUD put him on the ballot, a fact you cannot deny. So when you use the RACE card it just shows me and anyone else that you don’t have facts to back up your statements. So heres some facts for you, OBAMA is supposed to have gone to COLUMBIA but no one in his class and his major knows of him. isn’t that ODD? He hasn’t attended any of the reunions, very odd. OBAMA is who benefited from the IRS SCANDAL but he’s playing the stupidity card ( I know nothing ). OBAMA did nothing during Benghazi but wants us to forget about it, while he covers it up and promotes those who lied for him. I am sorry, you should respect your president after all it is a position of HONOR but if you get in a position by FRAUD then you are no one to be respected and the facts are unwinding very QUICKLY about OBAMA and his administration.

          • KG

            Wow, do you call your other mixed race friends ‘HEINZ57’? I’m sure they would appreciate that. Tell me, what race was Jesus?

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Would you rather that they were called mongrels?

          • vicki

            Tell me, what race was Jesus?

            Human.

          • KG

            Ask you nazi fascist friends what race Jesus was. Or even better, ask them what race Abel’s brother Cain was. That will prove to you what kind of person you are dealing with.

            I agree with your response wholeheartedly. Let’s not forget that when we talk about our President, Mr. Obama.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Nazi? You mean a member of the National Socialist German Workers Party, KG?
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler#Entry_into_politics

          • JeffH

            I do and they do agree and understand what “Heinz 57″ means.
            In that term, do you understand what Heinz 57 means?

          • KG

            Most KKK members call them mixed up mudbabies. Maybe in your world thats a better term. I know that people who live in trailerparks have a distinct culture.

          • JeffH

            “Most KKK members call them mixed up mudbabies.”
            I don’t know any “KKK” members so can I take your word on that?

            It’s really obvious you don’t have a clue what the term “Heinz 57″ means or how it was used.

          • KG

            Heinz 57 is a shortened form of a historical advertising slogan “57 Varieties”, by the H. J. Heinz Company from Pittsburgh, United States. It has come to mean anything that is comprised or mixed from a lot of parts or origins. It was developed from the marketing campaign that told consumers about the numerous products available from the Heinz company.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinz_57

          • JeffH

            Very good! :)

          • Marc Cantell

            Not that it really matters but I am French/Italian and I am a Heinz57 myself as my pedigree is not 100% anything.My ancestors came to this country a long time ago and through sweat n tears and blood as a few lost their lives in wars I am lucky enough to call myself an American. As for what race was Jesus? There is a lot of dispute on that issue but its believed that Jesus was Aryan and European.

          • KG

            DING DING DING!!!! YOU WIN THE KERNEL KLINK CLOSET NAZI AWARD!!!

            Congratulations! Here is your iron cross: +

            Wear it with dignity at all of your KKK functions!

          • vicki

            argument to ridicule

        • rhcrest

          You leftists who shout racist are the modern day equivalent of the towns folk during the Salem Witch trial era. You are no different than those who pointed their fingers and shouted WITCH! WITCH! WITCH! You would have been right there with them. Only now instead of you condemning people to being hung, you attempt to ostracize people who disagree with you. You are attempting to silence the opposition and stop the debate. You also like to ruin people’s careers with the shouts of racism. That’s about as bad as it gets without actually killing them.

          • KG

            I think it’s YOU who has the problem with ‘race’. Tell me, what ‘race’ was Jesus?

          • vicki

            Human

          • JimH

            @ KG, What’s that got to do with anything being discussed here?
            If you can’t refute what others are saying, instead of admitting you’re wrong, you try to change the subject.
            It is an interesting question, just irrelevant to this subject.

          • Frank Kahn

            NO, KG, you tell us what race he was, the Bible forgot to mention it.

            Actually, dividing humans into different races is a very recent concept, there is only one race and that is human.

          • WTS/JAY

            KG: I think it’s YOU who has the problem with ‘race’. Tell me, what ‘race’ was Jesus?

            The New-Testament includes no description of the physical appearance of Jesus before his death and its narrative is generally indifferent to racial appearances.

            Btw, why is a person’s race so important to you?

          • KG

            I ask that question because the response can tell me if the person is a nazi racist or a reasonable person. You seem to be reasonable. However, as soon as I see anything like “aryan” then I know they probably have white sheets in the closet that smell like burnt wood.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Thank you, KG, for being a one-man army to wake people up to the evils of Socialism.
          The wrong side is paying you.

        • Nadzieja Batki

          So why are you going against the will of your neighbors and friends who did not want O?

          • KG

            None of my neighbors seem to mind. Of course, I live in a major city. However, I hear there are some trailer parks with Gadson flags in front. I think they may have voted Republican, although most of them are on some kind of public assistance.

        • JeffH

          KG is using the classic tactics of Saul Alinsky – Rules for Radicals

          7. Tactics

          “Tactics are those conscious deliberate acts by which
          human beings live with each other and deal with the world around them. … Here our concern is with the tactic of taking; how the Have-Nots can take power away from the Haves.” p.126

          Always remember the first rule of power tactics (pps.127-134):

          1. “Power is not only what you have, but what the
          enemy thinks you have.”

          2. “Never go outside the expertise of your
          people. When an action or tactic is outside the experience of the people, the result is confusion, fear and retreat…. [and] the collapse of communication.

          3. “Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of
          the enemy. Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty. (This happens all the time. Watch how many organizations under attack are
          blind-sided by seemingly irrelevant arguments that they are then forced to address.)

          4. “Make the enemy live up to its own book of
          rules. You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity.”

          5. “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. It
          is almost impossible to counteract ridicule. Also it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage.”

          6. “A good tactic is one your people enjoy.”

          7. “A tactic that drags on too long becomes a
          drag. Man can sustain militant interest in any issue for only a limited time….”

          8. “Keep the pressure on, with different
          tactics and actions, and utilize all events of the period for your purpose.”

          9. “The threat is usually more terrifying than the
          thing itself.”

          10. “The major premise for tactics is the
          development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition. It is this unceasing pressure that results in the reactions from the opposition that are essential for the success of the campaign.”

          11. “If you push a negative hard and deep enough,
          it will break through into its counterside… every positive has its negative.”

          12. “The price of a successful attack is a
          constructive alternative.”

          13. Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it. In conflict tactics there are certain rules that [should be regarded] as universalities. One is that the opposition must be singled out as the target and ‘frozen.’…

          “…any target can always say, ‘Why do you center on me when there are others to blame as well?’ When your ‘freeze the target,’ you disregard these [rational but distracting] arguments…. Then, as you zero in and freeze your target and carry out your attack, all the ‘others’ come out of the woodwork very soon. They become visible by their support of the target…’

          “Tactics are those conscious deliberate acts by which
          human beings live with each other and deal with the world around them. … Here our concern is with the tactic of taking; how the Have-Nots can take power away from the Haves.” p.126

          Always remember the first rule of power tactics (pps.127-134):

          1. “Power is not only what you have, but what the
          enemy thinks you have.”

          2. “Never go outside the expertise of your
          people. When an action or tactic is outside the experience of the people, the result is confusion, fear and retreat…. [and] the collapse of communication.

          3. “Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of
          the enemy. Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty. (This happens all the time. Watch how many organizations under attack are
          blind-sided by seemingly irrelevant arguments that they are then forced to address.)

          4. “Make the enemy live up to its own book of
          rules. You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity.”

          5. “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. It
          is almost impossible to counteract ridicule. Also it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage.”

          6. “A good tactic is one your people enjoy.”

          7. “A tactic that drags on too long becomes a
          drag. Man can sustain militant interest in any issue for only a limited time….”

          8. “Keep the pressure on, with different tactics and actions, and utilize all events of the period for your
          purpose.”

          9. “The threat is usually more terrifying than the
          thing itself.”

          10. “The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition. It is this unceasing pressure that results in the reactions from the opposition that are essential for the success of the campaign.”

          11. “If you push a negative hard and deep enough,
          it will break through into its counterside… every positive has its negative.”

          12. “The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.”

          13.
          Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it. In conflict tactics there are certain rules that [should be regarded] as universalities. One is that the opposition must be singled out as the target and ‘frozen.’…

          “…any target can always say, ‘Why do you center on me when there are others to blame as well?’ When your ‘freeze the target,’ you disregard these [rational but distracting] arguments…. Then, as you zero in and freeze your target and carry out your attack, all the ‘others’ come out of the woodwork very soon. They become visible by their support of the target…’

          “One acts decisively only in the conviction that all the angels are on one side and all the devils on the other.” (pps.127-134)
          http://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/communism/alinsky.htm

          • KG

            Ya know, i didn’t even know who was Saul Alinsky until YOU guys turned me on to him. However, I have never read his books or any of his quotes until a bout a year ago. I think its really the good Liberal Arts training I got from my time at the University.

            My favorite subject was sociology. Next to philosophy. Maybe my teachers did a better job than I thought they did. Thank you G-d.

        • Frank Kahn

          You are the racist here, we hate his policies, not his color.

          OH and FYI none of my neighbors were fools enough to vote for him.

        • WTS/JAY

          Nothing racist about Darral’s post, KG.

    • rhcrest

      I wasn’t born in the 1950’s but Joe McCarthy was absolutely right. The now declassified Venona papers exonerated him. Virtually everyone he accused of Communism was in fact a Communist. The only mistake he made was that he underestimated the number of them. And I was too young to pay attention to Reagan when he was Potus but i don’t see how taking money from the workers to give to the “proletariat” – that word is quite funny by the way Comrade- helps the workers. It is at their expense that these “proletariats” get to sit around all day relaxing engaging in their immoral lifestyle while the workers have to bust their butts to support them.

      • KG

        http://www.thefreedictionary.com/proletarian
        For your education into the real world.

        • rhcrest

          Sorry. I don’t read communist propaganda

          • KG

            Can you “unsee” your naked grandmother?

          • WTS/JAY

            Few casual liberals realize the fact that the entire economic premise underlying economic Marxism flows from a hostility toward God and toward religion.

            Atheism and a spirit of hostility and hatred toward God and toward religion is at the very core of Marxism. In the words of Karl Marx:

            The foundation of irreligious criticism is: Man makes religion, religion does not make man. Religion is, indeed, the self-consciousness and self-esteem of man who has either not yet won through to himself, or has already lost himself again. But man is no abstract being squatting outside the world. Man is the world of man – state, society. This state and this society produce religion, which is an inverted consciousness of the world, because they are an inverted world. Religion is the general theory of this world, its encyclopaedic compendium, its logic in popular form, its spiritual point d’honneur, its enthusiasm, its moral sanction, its solemn complement, and its universal basis of consolation and justification. It is the fantastic realization of the human essence since the human essence has not acquired any true reality. The struggle against religion is, therefore, indirectly the struggle against that world whose spiritual aroma is religion.

            Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.

            The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is the demand for their real happiness. To call on them to give up their illusions about their condition is to call on them to give up a condition that requires illusions. The criticism of religion is, therefore, in embryo, the criticism of that vale of tears of which religion is the halo.

            Criticism has plucked the imaginary flowers on the chain not in order that man shall continue to bear that chain without fantasy or consolation, but so that he shall throw off the chain and pluck the living flower.

            http://startthinkingright.wordpress.com/tag/karl-marx/

          • KG

            quote: For if indeed existence precedes essence, one will never be able to explain one’s action by reference to a given and specific human nature; in other words, there is no determinism – man is free, man is freedom.

            Existentialism is not atheist in the sense that it would exhaust itself in demonstrations of the non-existence of God. It declares, rather, that even if God existed that would make no difference from its point of view. Not that we believe God does exist, but we think that the real problem is not that of His existence; what man needs is to find himself again and to understand that nothing can save him from himself, not even a valid proof of the existence of God. In this sense existentialism is optimistic. It is a doctrine of action, and it is only by self-deception, by confining their own despair with ours that Christians can describe us as without hope.

            jean Paul Sartre

            Man kind is condemned to be ‘free’. Sartre radically reversed millennia of philosophical thought, which, ever since Plato had held “…existence emanates from a higher essence…” Sartre says “NON! Existence PRECEDES essence! Existence can only impose value on beings-in-themselves.” While existence is “being-for-itself”, You are your own “object-of consciousness”. With great existence comes great responsibility. The awesomeness of this responsibility is terrifying to the individual. One senses one’s true relation to oneself and others, because one FLEES from it! We are always ready to take refuge in a belief in determinism if this freedom weighs upon us or we need an excuse. We flee from anxiety by attempting to apprehend ourselves from without as an other or as a thing. The myth of God, for instance, was a way of literally becoming the object of a higher consciousness.

            http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/sartre/works/exist/sartre.htm

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Real workers don’t need Unions or Communism, KG. Both systems appeal to those who want to ride on the backs of others.

    • Kenneth Terry Defee

      @KG…you freaking idiot…go to the official gov’t website, nsa dot gov and look up Venona documents. Joe McCarthy was dead on the money, a real patriot. These are declassified Russian documents.
      Ronald Reagan was good for America, perfect…no, but a heck of a lot better than Jimmy Peanut brain carter.
      Yes we are at war…and correct you are. The war is the govt against the middle class…

    • CatGman

      KG, do you actually believe the things that you post here or do you simply get your jollies by writing some of the most lame brain, ass backwards posts to stir up the pot. I only ask because it is hard to believe that someone could honestly be so obtuse.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        He likely is the same shill who has been haunting this board under different names since its beginning.

      • KG

        Beliefs are a tricky thing. I’d rather have ideas.

        • Frank Kahn

          oops, so you can’t even see the difference between an idea and a belief?

          Please explain the difference.

          A belief is an idea that has formed a basis for your actions in the world.

          All beliefs are based on ideas, which are based on opinions, based on experience and education.

          What you are, incorrectly, calling ideas, have already morphed into beliefs, you just can’t see it yet.

          • WTS/JAY

            So simple and beautifully stated, Frank!

    • chocopot

      You are another clueless Lefty, ignoring the facts. Joe McCarthy has been exonerated, but the media and our school teachers refuse to acknowledge that and inform those they are responsible to educate. With the release of the Venona Papers (the Soviet Archives) in the mid-1990’s, the truth finally came out: nearly every person Joe McCarthy accused of being a Communist agent, Communist supporter, or Communist dupe (those who unwittingly supported the Communists) was, in fact, exactly what they were accused of being.

    • Joseph Hammond

      It is not this regime that makes one not want to be a patriot, it is the system itself. Whether one is a Democrat or a Republican it is apparent that we are a “2 party” system that is addicted to the money placed in Party hands from the upper classes of the corporate world. It is near impossible to get a 3rd party involved as the corporate media keeps them off the debates. The laws in almost all states makes the verification of names on lists collected with signatures to allow a 3rd party to be placed on the ballot is in the hands of people agreed to by the “2 party” system which almost never gets the job done on time or just discards so many names as “questionable” that the 3rd party is not allowed. This is a Republic?
      On the entertainment news channels one way to get laughs is to send someone out into the streets of NYC, for example, and ask them a question so simple one would think anyone could answer it like “How many stars in the US flag?” Or “Do you know where Alaska is on a map?” Or “Who is Washington DC named after?” And sooo many cannot answer these questions but they can answer “Who is the father of Kim Kardashian’s child?” Or “Who won the Superbowl?” Or “What is Angry Birds?” These are the people that are the ones who make the difference in voting and they are given only “approved” candidates from the corporate class to choose from. Some choice, huh? Instills confidence in the country, doesn’t it…..
      The war should be on the ignorance of the illiterate class and against their ignorance……..but that would make the educators stand up and make a difference which places them in jeopardy for their lives and employment at the hands of a government which is controlled by the lying corporate class who must keep the “proles” ignorant, fast food fed, and entertained….. the mob…….keep them as slobs….. should be our new motto….

      • KG

        You can thank the religious right wackos that have been on local schoolboards and have insisted that teachers not teach. They are only allowed to get the kids to pass “tests”. And what happens when the kids get bad marks on those tests? The cut the schools budget even more than they have. And don’t ‘bet’ on lotteries to fund the schools. The state just cuts the school budgets in the amount of the extra revenue from the lottery. So, we have “institutional Class warfare” in our state budgets.

        Well, you probably care less about those poor minority kids anyway.

        • vicki

          You can thank the religious right wackos that have been on local schoolboards and have insisted that teachers not teach. They are only allowed to get the kids to pass “tests”.

          Proof by bald assertion / argument to ridicule

          • KG

            Correction, proof by actual reality.

            By Zeus you are a pain in the neck!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You are perfectly free to post some evidence to that effect, KG.
            But of course you won’t, because you have none.

        • JeffH

          WARNING! WARNING!

          CEASE ALL COMMUNICATIONS WITH KG!

          KG’s mission is complete…he/she has taken this thread hostage and through our own ignorance we have allowed it to happen…by allowing our emotions to blind us into responding to his/her illicit solicitaions.

          The devil is in the details. Currently, KG owns this thread and with our unwitting help is winning the battle.

          Do any of you want to continue feeding this monster?
          Think about it!
          ____________________________________
          We must not allow ourselves to get caught up in responding to this OBVIOUS progressive communist shill because that is the intended result this anti-American hack wants…fill the board with responses and lose sight of the intent of the original article.

          We’re all guilty of it…I know I am!

          • vicki

            There will always be another to take his place. Best to have quick and easy to support answers that will guide the newer readers away from his nonsense.

            Remember that a lot of what he says “feels” right because it has been taught in public schools and in the media (movies, tv entertainment, even tv news) for MANY MANY years. When we counter it here we help break the chains that bind our fellow readers.

          • JeffH

            You are right of course.but…it’s also necessary to inform new or uninformed readers about what’s behind the tactics that drive people(or bots) to say and act the way they do.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Jeff,
            I understand where you’re coming from, but the silence of Freedom Lovers, not their vocalization, has led us to this point in time. If our Founders had taken that tact, we would now be speaking the Queen’s English.

          • JeffH

            DaveH, as I responded to vicki below…of course you are right.
            I just want people to be aware of KG’s intent.

          • Bob666

            Very well said Original Dave-the start of tyranny-to limit freedom of speech!

            “oppressive power every form of tyranny over the mind of man — Thomas Jefferson; especially: oppressive power exerted by government -the tyranny of a police state”

            One does not have to like what KG says-but respect his first amendment right to say it. That is what a strict constructionist would believe and say.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            But KG and You Bob666, cannot complain if you are verbally taken apart. Then you have the choice of staying or leaving.

          • Bob666

            Yo Nads-

            That in fact is true -as we do agree on occasion.

            The Difference is; I do not recall KG ever telling anyone they did not have the right to post on this site or to leave this site or try to limit anyone rights on this site and I know that have not, nor would I ever limit ones right to post here. That is not my right and it is down -right Un-American to do so or even imply it.

            That being said-So called followers of the constitution do it here very often. They are generally the ones who call names and accuse people of lying. In my book-that’s called hypocrisy- pure and simple.

            The only person that has the option and right to limit a persons ability to post on this site is Bob Livingston-he owns it. I would say that Mr. Livingston is very tolerant of many people who use this site every day.

          • vicki

            Yep I am one of them. And I hope KG is properly grateful that Bob Livingston allows KG to speak here in this forum.

          • Bob666

            Yo Vicki,

            I am as well-though I suspect that you would take issue with that statement :> The bottom line is; no one has the right to deny anyone else the right of free speech and I don’t ever recall you doing that and I never will. Only a true fascist would try to do that or even suggest such a position.

            I am grateful to Mr. Livingston as well and none of us should ever take this forum for granted.

          • vicki

            If you mean that you are a strict constructionist then I think your previous posts have already told us the truth of that claim.

            As to freedom of speech you and I are certainly in agreement.

          • Bob666

            Truth is in the eye of the beholder. I don’t have an attitude problem-you have a perception problem:>

          • vicki

            Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Truth simply is.

          • KG

            You will not spoil my land luminescent with thy darkness as long as Firstman (KG) draws breath!

          • Bob666

            ..
            /

        • Frank Kahn

          Another happy day of reading and destroying the stupidity of liberalism. OOOO, and a heathen to boot.

          RELIGIOUS RIGHT WACKOS? Which one of those three words is the main focus? Is it being religious? Is it being RIGHT (CONSERVATIVE)? What makes them wackos? How about “atheistic left wackos”? Since it is mostly left leaning liberal progressives that are controlling the schools, wouldn’t that be a better description of the cause?

          And, lets see if I get this right, passing tests is a bad thing? There is no relationship between knowledge and passing a test? Should we simply take the liberal idea and say that it is okay that they can’t pass a simple test, they tried so lets let them pass?

          OH OH OH, I get it, it is bad to expect, and reward, teachers who do an exceptional job of teaching. To praise, and reward, schools that exceed the national average, in student accomplishments, is bad for the country. It hurts the MINORITIES?

          Well, yes, I don’t care about the minorities. I have no special compassion for someone because of their race, religion or ethnicity. I am not a racist, so I believe that minority children should have the EXACT SAME opportunities, and be expected to PERFORM at the same level as the rest of the children.

          • KG

            What planet do you live on?

          • WTS/JAY

            What color is the sky in your world?

        • Vigilant

          “You can thank the religious right wackos that have been on local schoolboards [sic] and have insisted that teachers not teach. They are only allowed to get the kids to pass “tests”.

          Which religious right wing wacko are you talking about? Ted Kennedy (No Child Left Behind Act), Obama (Race to the Top), or the teachers’ unions (Democrats)?

          Better speak up, KG. Your slip is showing.

          • KG

            Proof by bald assertion / argument to ridicule

          • vicki

            still working on how to apply those I see. Good luck.

            Hint they are correctly applied to what Vigilant quoted. Vigilant asked a question but did not make an assertion.

            The astute reader will have noticed that KG correctly applied the words to his own quoted words.

          • Vigilant

            Indeed you are correct, and the sooner you discontinue such nonsense, the more credible you will become. Frankly I don’t ever expect that to happen.

        • WTS/JAY

          KG: You can thank the religious right wackos that have been on local schoolboards and have insisted that teachers not teach.

          There you go again, KG. Seeing religious right-wing wackos where there are none. All the so-called rel. right-wing wackos have long ago been eradicated from the public-school-system, and in their stead, replaced with…?

          John Dewey — Saboteur of American Society…
          http://lcvincent.blogspot.ca/2010/10/john-dewey-saboteur-of-american-society.html

    • Vigilant

      “There is a spectre haunting Amerikkka.”

      You bet there is! And it’s called “progressivism,” a simple code word for “communism.”

      “The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of liberalism” they will adopt EVERY fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.” – Norman Thomas (Former Socialist Presidential Candidate)

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Second sentence, we can say that Progressivism is a morphing of Communism and National Socialism and Fascism. All these ideological rivers have flowed into one.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          What do all those systems have in common?
          Leaders win. Subjects lose.

      • JeffH

        Hear! Hear! Short and sweet, nice!

    • rbrooks

      if you use facts, logic or reasoning, the sheep will simply label you as a demon.

      one has to believe.

      • WTS/JAY

        Assuming that you are in fact using; facts, logic and reasoning. Otherwise, you will be perceived as just another babbling-fool claiming to be using; facts, logic and reasoning. Claiming to be using; facts, logic and reasoning is not the same as providing; facts, logic and reasoning. Capish?

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Typical Socialist Progressive Claptrap:
      KG says — “Yous guys didn’t complain about Joe McCarthy in the 50’s”.

      You have no idea what any of us complained about, KG. You are just a Socialist Progressive Shill here to interfere with good people learning about the concepts of real Freedom.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        The saying exists to the affect that you can even learn from a Fool like KG, that you learn not to become like him.

    • Frank Kahn

      And the spectre’s name is? Communism through Marxism, touted by the inimical KG.

      Most of us were either not born yet, or too young to have an opinion of McCarthy. Clinton was instrumental in giving our jobs to the Chinese not Regan. And, Al Gore deserved to lose that election. His, crybaby, tantrum about hanging chads was pathetic. And his ignorant claims about AGW, while having a carbon footprint larger than any third world country, is an affront to the intelligence of all humanity.

      Regime is a correct name for the insidious administration now ruining this country. SAVING? ARE YOU INSANE? PROTECTING? FROM WHAT? Your quotes got out of hand on parasitic taker class. But, yes we need to get rid of the PARASITIC TAKERS. Someone, who is truly unable to work or get a job is not a parasitic taker. All those, mainly minority, people who simply refuse to try to work, are parasitic and takers, and need to be removed from the government assistance programs.

      I can see where you have a problem, lets see if we can educate you on your stupidity.

      The common WORKING CLASS (implies they have a job), cannot be classified as a parasitic taker. They are neither parasitic nor a taker.

      The parasitic (feeding off others) takers (getting something for nothing) are people without jobs, who, actually refuse to acknowledge the need to actually do something about getting one.

      NOW KG, can you see why it is impossible to be talking about the common working class when referencing parasitic takers?

      We don’t have a proletariat in this country, we have American workers. Countries that use Marxism to foster Communism have a proletariat.

      We are not at war with the working class, that is a job taken by the progressives, we are at war with the Marxists (like you) who want to destroy the capitalism that made this country great.

      Paying a large percentage (anything over 0% is too much) of my earnings to some lazy thug in a union is anti-Christian, and bad for the economy. We are not your prostitutes, if you want to earn money off someones labor go get yourself some women to pimp.

      Conservatives will not be the whores of liberals, we will fight to the death to prevent this abomination.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        Frank says — “Someone, who is truly unable to work or get a job is not a parasitic taker”.
        Can’t argue with that, Frank, but NOBODY has a right to ride on anybody else’s unwilling shoulders no matter what their affliction is.
        All charity can only morally be administered by voluntary donors.

        • vicki

          And the net has provided a new way to get voluntary donors. Checkout gofundme.com

      • KG

        Remember, it was that ‘good christian bidnessman’ Mr. Livingston who used that epithet. In fact, I ‘cut and pasted’ it directly so I wouldn’t make a mistake in repeating what Mr. Livingston said.

        Go back and actually read the article and you will see Mr. Livingston’s utter contempt for working class people.

    • perry

      KG YOUR VIEW OF US IS THAT OF A VERY CONFLICTED PERSON. THE REASON THAT WE DON’T LIKE THIS REGIME IS BECAUSE THEY ARE DISHONEST .NOW IT IS TIME FOR YOU TO BE HONEST TO YOUR SELF IT.IS OK TO SAY GOD EAVEN IF YOU DON’T THINK THERE IS ONE.

    • Capitalist at Birth

      Joe McCarthy was a true patriot, as was Ronald Reagan.

  • Elton Robb

    In Dark Sun, a TSR D&D Setting, there was a city where the people lived in fear of their ruler, who was very paranoid and turned on his own staff. This City State had a government you could call Chaotic Evil. It was chaotic because you could never tell what the Government was going to do, and it was Evil because you could always count the Government doing something against it’s citizens. Do you think we have a Chaotic Evil government? I think we do. The government is out of control. The corruption is at all levels, and it’s acting irresponsibly against the General Welfare.

  • Mary

    I don’t know why everybody is surprised, Google teamed up with Obama couple years ago, I tried to tell my computer man that and to find me a better server to get away from Google and he nearly tore my head odd, Google was the best. THIS IS ALL BEING DONE BY OBAMER FOR ELECTIONS, IF YOU WATCHED FOX LAST NIGHT IT TOLD YOU HOW HE WON THE ELECTION IN 2012, ALL BY
    MANIPULATING THE PEOPLES MINDS INTO VOTING HIS WAY, PLUS HACKING THE MACHINES. HE HAS BROUGHT A WHOLE NEW ELECTION PROCESS INTO OUR COUNTRY AND American PEOPLE DON’T QUITE KNOW HOW TO HANDLE ALL THIS CORRUPTION HE IS SOAKED WITH SO DON’T BE SURPRIZED AT ANYTHING, HE WANTS ONE PARTY IN THIS COUNTRY AND YOU KNOW IT’S DEMOCRAT. THAT’S WHAT BANNING THE VOTER ID WAS ALL ABOUT, THAT’S ALL HE LIVES FOR IS POWER ANDDICTATORSHIP, SO BE PREPARED, SEEMS EVERYBODY WANTED CHANGE, “WELL YOU GOT IT” GLAD I’M OLD!

  • Warrior

    If you are a “producer”, you are a “target”. And who is targeting you? Why, none other than a “taker”. We have a gubmint of “representative takers”. Let’s have some more QE. Great googlymoogly this nation is so lost!

  • Joseph Hammond

    Please put me on the Main Core list!! There is no way I would support this government as it is even if attacked by a foreign entity because I can no longer believe what the upper lying class says.
    Were the founding fathers not on a list as enemies of the Crown? To be in league with them is a true honor for if they were alive today they would be on the Main Core list…..

    • Vigilant

      “Is this the same Joseph Hammond who said the other day, “the original Constitution was a racist and a sexist document as Native Americans, African-Americans, women, and Spanish Americans did not have the right to vote…..Only white males….And many of the Founders only wanted men of property….”

      Get your stories straight, and let’s hope that your head stops spinning. Do you want to “be in league with them” or carp about the “racist and…sexist” document they produced?

      • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

        Dear Vigilant,

        You write: “Is this the same Joseph Hammond who said the other day, “the original Constitution was a racist and a sexist document as Native Americans, African-Americans, women, and Spanish Americans did not have the right to vote…..Only white males….And many of the Founders only wanted men of property….” Yes. http://personalliberty.com/2013/06/12/warning-obamas-secret-police-know-you-are-reading-this/#comment-927726173

        Best wishes,
        Bob

        • Vigilant

          Mr. Livingston, my question was rhetorical. I thought it was obviously so.

      • WTS/JAY

        Ouch!

  • hungry4food

    While we are distracted our Self Reliance is being Consolidated and they are doing it with our own Debt leveraged against us !!!!!!!

    WHO allows this to HAPPEN ????????

    US Taxpayers are Financing the
    Takeover of their Own Economy by Foreign Interests using the Federal Reserve
    driven Carried Currency Trade instead of being allowed to Participate in
    its ownership and operations !

    Thai Billionaire’s 7-Eleven Reaps
    1,700% Gain: Chart of the Day

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-04-24/thai-billionaire-s-7-eleven-reaps-1-700-gain-chart-of-the-day.html

    Beware The Great
    Central Bank

    http://libertyinvestor.com/2013/06/17/beware-the-great-central-bank-bubble/

    Bubble , in
    this article it says the Thai Billionaires used 6.6 billion of Federal Reserve
    QE cash to Buy up food distribution centers , and this kind of Consolidation of
    USA distribution by NON US Citizens not being able to have this same access to
    Capital to compete for these assets is a Threat to Wealth Equality and
    distribution . Where’s the equality going to come from with this Economic
    Practice that will allow all classes a shot at the American Dream ????

  • Motov

    We need to do a multi million man march to DC and demand resignation of the POTUS, and the idiots in congress. And make “Occupy Wall Street” look like kindergarten. Everyone should bring a copy of the Constitution, the 10 commandments, and read them proudly and loudly. We need to place unbearable pressure that We are not happy with the criminals in charge,

    Washington DC has overstepped their boundaries for decades, It has long past been time make them abide by the constitution.

    I will also say no more “career politicians”, create term limits,… say 12 years max. for congress, balanced budget amendment, If congress cannot do that
    they simply do NOT get paid for doing nothing.
    Public Office also means serving the public, we have a right to know about the background of candidates for office is before we vote, IE Such as real documents of origin, and any information employers ask its employees. The press has an obligation to inform us of facts, not fiction.
    We need to do this like yesterday!!!

    • vicki

      We HAVE term limits. It’s called the vote. Unfortunately it is controllable by those who use freedom of the press if they get a big enough audience.

      “freedom of the press is only for those who own one”
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A._J._Liebling

      Once owned by a small group of people, the internet has now given most everyone access to “the press” and we can bypass MSM propaganda as we do on this site most every day.

      • KG

        Oh yea – ra ra ra sis boom ba for us and our closedminded ideology. If you change seats on the Titantic, will you not drown?

        • vicki

          Argument to ridicule.

      • Motov

        We have learned that voting doesn’t work when our vote doesn’t get counted, or switched, and the opposition can vote multiple times etc. To make matters worse, the candidates we “choose” from are bought and paid for by unseen “puppet masters” and the voters are not smart enough to vote for the guy, who doesn’t have a gazillion dollar “war chest” to saturate the airwaves with their broken promises.

    • Sarah417

      Wednesday, June 19 people are chartering buses to come to Washington, DC. If you didn’t already know about it I’m telling you now. This march on DC is a big one. See you there.

      • Karolyn

        Why haven’t we heard about it?

        • Sarah417

          I’ve known about it since last week through the Tea Party Patriots. This group is rallying for Audit the IRS on the south lawn of the Capitol. I just found out this morning through email that Glenn Beck will be in DC same day rallying for the Amnesty Bill. Glenn starts at 9:30am on the east lawn till 12:00. The Audit the IRS rally will be onthe south lawn 12:00 to 3:00. 70 Congressmen are butting heads with John Boehner and will refuse to sign the Amnesty Bill so Glenn wants everyone to come to DC to support those 70 congressmen.

          • IsThisAmerica

            I really hope a lot of people who can afford to go please go. I’m one of those who can’t. It hurts to not be involved but things in my life restrict me to home, at this time. Please everyone who can go, go. We are going to have our rights taken away before we know what happened. I don’t want to see that happen. And remember don’t litter, pack out what you took in. We are civilized and want to keep it that way. We just can’t let the government continue on breaking laws, and no one is getting arrested for doing so. Lerner and a few others should be doing time. Thank you from me for going and standing up for my rights. Arizona got shot down on their voters bill by the feds. God bless you all.

        • vicki

          We have. You just have to listen/read sources on the Internet instead of MSM.

      • Motov

        First time I’ve heard of it, I hope people bring their cameras, We already know the lame stream media will ignore this. It is up to us to flood the internet of this event, and hopefully get people talking on tv about this.

  • TheOriginalDaveH

    Thank you, Bob Livingston, for having the courage to tell it like it is.

  • rbrooks

    well, bob, nice story. this has been going on for over 50 years. at what point do you, and your supporters, finally stop voting the same old crooks into office. when will you demand a change in the way candidates are selected for us, the voter, to choose from.

    we can use this same technology to stop this.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Given the choices to vote for you also voted for “the same old crooks into office”, unless you didn’t vote.

      • rbrooks

        well, you have given the answer. perhaps you were unable to comprehend?

    • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear rbrooks,

      You write: ” at what point do you, and your supporters, finally stop voting the same old crooks into office.” Once again you are assuming much that is not so. As I noted before, your handlers have done you a disservice and sent you into the arena unprepared. And again, I suggest you spend a little time researching the site before you spout off. You are coming off as completely ignorant.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • JeffH

        Bob, thank you for all of your, and your staff’s, hard work.

        I thought I would share this email I recieved from Boxer yesterday which, again, shows just how the elected elites are still playing the same old games despite the public’s growing awareness of the ant-Constitutional plague that has infected politics in DC and in America.
        _________________________________
        Dear Friend:

        This week I introduced the Pay Your Bills or Lose Your Pay Act of 2013, which would prevent Members of Congress from being paid if they fail to raise the debt ceiling. To read more, please click here.

        America is not a deadbeat nation. It is an American value to pay our bills. If Members of Congress refuse to honor that responsibility and do our jobs, we should not be paid our salaries. My legislation would help prevent a catastrophic default — a self-inflicted wound that would harm our economy and our country.

        Sincerely,

        Barbara Boxer
        United States Senator

        _____________________________________

        This was my response to Boxer:
        The dishonarable Sen. Boxer

        I am just so sick and tired of the “political eletism” taking place within our government that seeks only to “feather their nests” and further the burden of debt onto the American taxpayers.

        Each and every legislator, including you, should be fired for the horrendous debt of this once great country.

        You and your ilk are fully responsible for our debts and each and every one of you in government have contibuted to harming our economy and making the USA a near “deadbeat” nation.

        As far as I’m concerned, YOU ARE ALL FIRED!
        _____________________________________
        I can only hope that I’m included in the governments un-Constitutional infringement of my Constitutional and God give rights.

        • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

          Dear JeffH,

          Good response.

          You write: “I can only hope that I’m included in the governments un-Constitutional infringement of my Constitutional and God give rights.” It is as certain as death and taxes.

          Best wishes,
          Bob

        • Michael Shreve

          It is SUPPOSED to be a CEILING, NOT an ELEVATOR.

      • http://batman-news.com samurai

        D’oh! :-) :-) :-) Well said fellow patriot, but we have known this for some time. Sook Young and I have learned a lot from this site over the years and wish to continue to do so. Here is an article that shows the massive purchase of rounds by the DHS was an error. Clear cut case of ducking and covering.
        http://www.mrconservative.com/2013/06/19229-dhs-claims-billions-of-bullets-purchased-were-clerical-error/
        What else in new? Keep up the good fight fellow patriot. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
        You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
        “Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God.”
        Benjamin Franklin
        Founding father
        Devout Christian

        • JeffH

          samurai, I’ll echo that. Far and away the most informative and educational website on the internet today, in my opinion. Without Personal Liberty Digest and their staff and a host of great commentors who encourage thought and research I would probably be floundering somewhere to the far right of where I am today. The greatest lesson I’ve learned is to verify, verify, verify.

        • rbrooks

          “Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God.”

          that line is used by every radical and terrorist to justify & validate their actions.

          it is the same line that is used by those the radicals and terrorists oppose.

          the difference is not as great as you believe.

          and eventually, those who opposed the last tyrant, become the new tyrant(s).

          • WTS/JAY

            rbrooks: that line is used by every radical and terrorist to justify & validate their actions.

            So what you are saying is that; we should not resist tyranny for fear of being labeled terrorists? What then would you recommend that our response be to tyranny; display and provide our backsides?

            rbrooks: it is the same line that is used by those the radicals and terrorists oppose.

            Your statement sorely lacks in specificity. “They”, “them”, “those”…? “radicals”, “terrorists”…? Huh?

            rbroks: the difference is not as great as you believe.

            You provided no similarities by which to gage if there be any differences between the entities you are supposedly speaking of, much less, provided their identities.

            rbrooks: and eventually, those who opposed the last tyrant, become the new tyrant(s).

            So just accept and embrace the existing tyrants?

          • rbrooks

            unable to find a solution to the problem, you will embrace the new tyrants. .

          • WTS/JAY

            So why then, do you press Mr. Livingston and the rest of the PLD community to find a way(s) to resolve the existing problem? According to your reasoning, there is no problem. So again, you are recommending that we just accept and embrace the current tyrants?

          • vicki

            what problem would that be? We have a perfectly good solution to the problem of tyrants. The US Constitution.

          • vicki

            The difference between freedom fighters and terrorists is method. Terrorists try to terrify the populace into stampeding over their tyrant. Freedom fighters defend the populace from the obvious attacks by the tyrant.

            The founding fathers went a little farther and determined that the populace itself should be armed and dangerous, thus making freedom fighters of the people themselves and making it much harder to terrorize them.

            http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1850156/posts

          • WTS/JAY

            Well said, Vicky!

          • vicki

            The tendency for tyranny to form tyranny is very common as seen in this video.
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4r0VUybeXY

            What makes us different is that we formed a Republic instead of any of the other 4 types. That roadmap is still fresh in the books of history and there for us to follow.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Care to cite a source on this one? Ooops! Can’t do it. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
            “A patriot must be a religious man.”
            Thomas Jefferson
            3rd President of the U. S.
            Founding father
            Devout Christian

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Benjamin Franklin was an opportunist who swung whichever way would be most profitable for him:
          http://mises.org/media/2713/13-The-Emergence-of-Benjamin-Franklin

          He was especially cozy with Leaders who could grant special privilege to him.

      • rbrooks

        when are you going to start working to change how candidates are selected.

        perhaps you could some spend time getting ‘none of the above’ added to every ballot.

        reading the comments of your most ardent supporters shows where the problem, and ignorance, is.

        i am waiting for your story on the governor. i think he is a good conservative christian. a true patriot, by some standards.

        • WTS/JAY

          rbrooks: when are you going to start working to change how candidates are selected.

          Your statement would preclude the fact that you are doing just that. If so, could you share with us how you are working to change how candidates are selected?

          rbrooks: perhaps you could some spend time getting ‘none of the above’ added to every ballot.

          Your first time here?

          rbrooks: reading the comments of your most ardent supporters shows where the problem, and ignorance, is.

          Notwithstanding your lack of reading-comprehension-skills, right?

          rbrooks: i am waiting for your story on the governor. i think he is a good conservative christian. a true patriot, by some standards.

          Why don’t you, give us the “story”?

    • ONTIME

      Well for the last 2000 years, the words honest and politician are world’s apart…If you love a politician they will just break your heart…

  • attli

    I am.

  • guest

    perhaps this is true

    another means to take freedom form us

    but why did he go to China?

  • hungry4food

    Are we enemies of the enemies of the state ???

    IRS
    Whistleblower Point Higher Up! – Investigators Scrutinize DC IRS Official In
    Target

    http://youtu.be/PAm0KZ4Y61k

  • ONTIME

    The surprise is, your worst fears may be confirmed…..No you cannot pull the covers up over your head and hold your breath. There is safety in numbers but you still might get zapped.
    At this point, who the hell isn’t a enemy of the state?

  • Albert Maslar

    The enemy within the White House is worse and more dangerous than the enemy without.

  • perry

    FOR ONCE i WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME COMMENTS THAT DON’ T SPEAK OF k.g HE IS TAKING UP MORE SPACE THAN NEEDED BY HIM. YOU PEOPLE FALL INTO HIS TRAP EVERY DAY THAT HE SAYS SOME THING. COME ONE GET SMART

    • Nadzieja Batki

      I take it that you are using upper case letters to emphasize an objection you have to responses to KG.
      Let KG and those like him spew their Dem/Prog/Leftist ideology so we know what they believe and act on. They are annoying to us but that is just an emotion responding. They cannot shout and carryon that their Freedom of Speech is being infringed upon by those nasty old Conservatives and Libertarians. As long as we are on this earth we will have to deal with evil and survive.

      • rbrooks

        >We reserve the right to remove comments at our discretion.<

        ok.

  • Michael Shreve

    The great MAJORITY of TRAITORS to the United States of America are elected GOVERNMENT officials, bureaucrats and employees. BECAUSE I know this, I am on their ENEMIES list.

  • hungry4food

    This is insane and will most defiantly bring down the
    constitution of the USA fundamentally transforming Individual Rights forever
    !!! !!!!

    Lets consider that now anyone can vote the USA is going to
    fail due to its loss of the bill of rights as well as the Protections granted
    under the US Constitution because the Voting will be corrupt to allow the
    Tyranny of Ideology to take over from within , and here the proof !!!

    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_SUPREME_COURT_VOTER_CITIZENSHIP_PROOF?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-06-17-11-01-58

  • Deerinwater

    It’s always been a good idea to be mindful of what you say and do.

    This has not changed but probably as important as ever.

    We might have the “right” to say anything ~ but that “right” comes with responsibilities and penalties.

    The Graveyard and our Prisons are full of “Good People” ~ that are guilt of losing control for only a few seconds a doing what they “felt like” doing.

    You can spend a lifetime paying for a few seconds of “foolishness” from a wagging tongue.

    • Bob666

      Very-well said Deer!

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Pollyanna.
      That is assuming that the people in Government have nothing but noble intentions. History is littered with the bodies of people who naively assumed that.

      • Deerinwater

        I would never suspect government had only my welfare in mind. That demonizing government is most popular here and the central theme, I enjoy the position of devils advocate to this collective mindset.

        There is a wide abyss from being Pollyanna to being mindful of your words and actions. ~

        To allow ones alligator mouth to write checks, one’s hummingbird a$$ can’t cash ~ will not lead to any victory, not yesterday and not tomorrow.

        To speak from a position of power is what we all must attempt to do. You search for this position today. ~ Which means, it’s yet to be found.

        If there be power in the “Truth”, ~ the truth is what you must reveal and highlight. ~ this feeble act of making unsupported claims has little power to offer and explains only some peoples fowl mood.

        Bring forward “truth” ~ for all to hear and see. If you have it ~ why is it so hard to do?

        • perry

          Please tell us what power you have is it to be your pollyanna?.

          • Deerinwater

            Are you soliciting a response Perry?

    • WTS/JAY

      Is yours another way of selling the “don’t ask don’t tell” policy, deer? Or are you suggesting that, instead of using the term “crook”, we should instead use the more acceptable pc terminology; “morally-challenged”?

      • Deerinwater

        LOL! ~ Well? ~ If you want to take it that far ~ Sure! Certainly!

        “Sharing” can have a serious “down side” to it. ~

        To work on the need to know , seems to work best for all concerned. ~~ But then who is it that decides who needs to know?

        I would encourage people to be forthright while every question not deserving an answer. Every comment not worthy a response.

        Few people can actually handle hard evidence in an objective way, especially if they have a vested interest.

        My profession requires me to break bad news to people often. ~ It ‘s a developed skill ~ while still , ~ I can only control me and “how” I present the “facts”. ~ You should see some of the “Hissy Fits” that I get to see.

        I met the sweetest 91 year old lady last week, ~ I had bad news for her. ~ I was so impressed and taken by the way she handled it ~ while her 50 year old son was falling apart. ~ It’s the few “Good Ones” that restores my hope in mankind.

        By and large~ people talk too much and say too little. ~ They like to talk, ~ it makes them feel good. ~ So you listen to them if you are attempting to get along. ~ Just nod.

        • JeffH

          “By and large~ people talk too much and say too little.” Really??? I just couldn’t resist!

          • WTS/JAY

            His verbosity does not bother me as much as his proclivity to jump the tracks/derailing from original subject, JeffH. I was under the impression we were discussing our manner of speech towards, and our resistance to tyranny, and the consequences thereof. Not, social-etiquette. Wouldn’t you agree?

          • Deerinwater

            It’s not social etiquette that I address Jay. ~I haven’t jumped track. ~

            I was wondering where you might be headed with your insertion “Don’t ask, don’t tell” ,deciding that your were painting with a wide brush and generalizing.

            But making wild unsubstantiated claims is no way to address your “Offence”

            Define and support your claim of “Tyranny” .

            All this Ratchet Jawing about how offended we are or should be before validating the claim is “assuming” some agreement. ~ There is no agreement, you are doing little more than preaching to the choir..

            What is it in all of us, ~ this driving need to educate everyone to “Our Way of Thinking”?

            Anyone want to make a stab at explaining that?

            My very livelihood depends on me knowing something other’s don’t. ~ so why this need to educate people that would hurt me with it?

            If absence of knowledge is not enough, ~ we install barriers that prevent other people from knowing or doing. ~

            We certify by board, by committee, we licence, we restrict knowledge ~ but we also structure academic studies and programs that offer knowledge for those few that wish it to have it. ~ The knowledge offered conforms to a known and accepted “standard”

            Government by nature is a Tyrant ~ i don’t really care want kind of government it is or what you wish to call it. ~ Reward and Penalty is what Government has to offer to insure compliance. The “Carrot or the Stick” ~ Most often, the “reward” is only seen as “less stick” and not necessary more carrot. ~~ that seem to bring us to where we find ourselves today.

            If you want to call that Tyrannical ~ I’m not going to stop you. ~ But for the life of me, ~ I don’t know how you will manager to live with a woman or government if you can’t accept the “down side” to balance off the “up side” of enjoying either.

            There is no perfect government ~ there is no perfect women. ~ to love government and all it’s failing would be a rare person. ~ To love a woman ~ somewhat easier to do.

            I know that you people have fail out of love with our government! Your divorce draws near, and you may choose another ~ Be patience ~ as I learned to do.

            This packing our bags and leaving in the middle of the night to sleep on a friend couch while their cat walks all over you, won’t solve our problems.

          • perry

            Deer you just gave your self away you play with CB radio or you are a ham

          • Deerinwater

            ???

          • Deerinwater

            Point taken ~ wouldn’t you say? resistance is weak.

        • perry

          Deer you must feel real good after that post.

      • Deerinwater

        Only if you feel morally superior Jay.

  • TheOriginalDaveH

    Decades of Propaganda have taken their toll. On today’s finance.yahoo poll they asked — “Should Silicon Valley companies push back against government surveillance?”

    32% of the respondents answered — “I’m more concerned with Silicon Valley selling my info to advertisers”.

    ooooh (jaws theme plays), the dreaded advertisers!

    How much do you want to bet those 32% are supported by the Government?

    • Bob666

      Yo Original Dave,
      Not sure that I agree with you, I would bet a bunch of that 32% are just oblivious-period . I hope that you are right because it is a sad commentary on our society if I am.

  • Deerinwater

    BL says; ” “According to a senior government official who served with high-level security clearances in five administrations, ‘There exists a database of Americans, who, often for the slightest and most trivial reason, are considered unfriendly, and who, in a time of panic, might be incarcerated. The database can identify and locate perceived ‘enemies of the state’ almost instantaneously.’ He and other sources tell Radar that the database is sometimes referred to by the code name Main Core.”

    While I don’t doubt this “mining” of personal information one bit ~ but does this senior government official and “other sources”” have a name or at lest a title or position? Considering this statement is vital to support these claims. ~ Could we know more about these “sources” ?

    BL says ” It is no doubt part of a new campaign — as was the Internal Revenue Service targeting of conservative groups — designed to suppress and intimidate anyone who dares oppose the growing tyranny.”

    “New” as in different from the old one? ~ So I would say, ~ the same laws applys for everyone. ~ I f ” Conservative groups” with a certain label have developed a history and created a pattern of failing to comply with Tax laws ~ it only reasonable to look into any Tax returns that carry the label and claiming large deductions.

    Like the man on a dark night search under a street lamp for his keys. ~ A good neighbor sees this and and ask him, “What are you doing?” ~ “Looking for my car keys”, he says. ~~ Let me help you, where did you last see them?” ~~ “Over there, in the dark. ” ~~ “Then why are you looking here?” ~~ ” The light is better here” ~~

    To fault the IRS ~ for using common sense to find and identify Tax Fraud or just misunderstood and misapplied Tax Codes ~will not carry much weight with most Americans. I don’t have any sympathy for those that would willingly siphon away Federal revenues purely for the purpose of subsidizing and advancing their personal brand of politics. And made for so by this agenda to blur the line separating matters of Church & State that I fail to agree with.

    You don’t have the rights to claims these contributing as being Tax exempt and I don’t either.

    • garygerke

      You are such a bigoted joke!

  • me

    I think Snowden should be left alone. How can it be a crime of treason when he informed the people of this nation that they were being spied on. Don’t we have the right to privacy. If this country could leave its nose out of everything and quit playing world policeman we wouldn’t have so many enemies. Globalism has proven to be a failure.Markets on oil, metals, foods have shot to the sky since free trade has kicked in. If the markets were based on what we have here you could bet on a lot of prices going down. What we have now is based on bushes new world order where the super wealthy get richer and we as ordinary people are going down because everything is global. Too bad this country cant go back to isolationism like back in the early stages of this country.

  • me

    Boehner,Fienstien, and Miikulski, you hav no right to call Snowden a traiter. All he did was spill the beans on what the royalty like you in this country were doing to the people of this country. what happened to our forth amendment rights. You and Owebunhole are taking them away fast. Nixon got hung for a lot less. You all need to go and in the next two elections I hope you go. we don’t meed your royal highness types in our government. we need to get back to of the people, for the people , by the people

  • gilly

    I really cant see what all the fuss is about as if no one even knew what has been going on for years with our heads in the sand and John Boehner called Snowden a traitor because what he did was “a giant violation of the law;” ??? Just goes to show how deep your John Boehner had his head in the sand., but who really cares if your not involved in plotting some illegal activity who of us should care about the unlawful surveillance, but why should Snowden be called a traitor for revealing what we already knew has been going on by both the Republican & Democrats administrations for many years.

    I do believe your government is making a mountain out of a mole hill if Snowden has not revealed anything more important, but the actions of your government and some of your politicians are going about creating diplomatic problems where there would not have been any had Snowden not been pursued into ‘enemy’ hands. Lots of Intelligence staff have information locked in their brains until one day they cant keep a secret any longer and will want to write a book, but which book will be the true version of the secret truth and who will care by then? The secrets we don’t need to know like troop movements and other military information should be more closely kept secret amongst the high command areas and that’s where the real leaks are coming from… need to know does not mean passing vitally important information to the feeble minded staff the security agencies employ to do menial work tasks. Look back at your own systems before you blame the Wiki Leaks operatives and others. The NSA should be looking at themselves and their poor systems instead of blaming one guy named Snowden imo.

    Some of your people have said we need to catch this Snowden to find out if he knows anything else we should know? Are they suggesting they might torture him to release the secret information he has not released and by chasing him have inadvertedly pushed him to escape into enemy hands to possibly be tortured by the ‘enemy’ ?? Seems like your government is calling everyone an enemy unless they send Snowden back or for daring to aid and abet his travel ? Why blame the Russians when he was in Hong Kong and if your government had not got so excited then he would not have moved on to seek asylum. I doubt whether the Russians or Chinese ever saw him as any threat to their security and that’s why they let him travel like any other free citizen I would suggest because they were not watching him really. Imo most of your politicians are talking nonsense to try to appease their dumber voters who chose them to represent them in the first place.
    You all should not be putting blame on Putin or the Chinese when your own intelligence contractors were the ones who chose Snowden to work for them in the first place without I speculate any psychological testing to see if he was suitable for keeping secrets…but then again how would they be able to test a million spies reading all the cyber rubbish which people talk about every day on their mobile phones, chat rooms and facebook to name a few social media sites. In my opinion your government is worrying too much and making too big a deal about this whole issue and should just go back to developing better ways of reading the real relevant material which might be related to national security and I don’t envy them the task. It is serious stuff, but the Snowden and Julian Assange stuff is just plain childish.