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Anti-Immigration Lawmaker Seeks Support In ‘A Battle Of Epic Proportions’

October 28, 2010 by  

Anti-immigration lawmaker seeks support in 'a battle of epic proportions'Arizona State Senator Russell Pearce (R-Mesa) is collecting support from lawmakers across the United States in an effort to eliminate automatic citizenship rights for children of illegal immigrants.

Pearce has garnered national headlines for crafting the bill, SB 1070, which is widely considered to be the toughest anti-immigrant law in the country. During a news conference on Oct. 19, Pearce said that the government needs to reinterpret the language of the 14th Amendment, The Associated Press reports.

Pearce believes that guaranteed citizenship to those born in the U.S. does not apply to children of illegal immigrants because such families do not owe allegiance to the U.S.

"This is a battle of epic proportions," said Pearce, as quoted by the news provider. "We've allowed the hijacking of the 14th Amendment."

Some proponents of immigration reform have called on Congress to change the wording in the 14th Amendment. Many conservatives have argued that taxpayers are fitting the bill to provide services for illegal aliens and their children.

A recent Rasmussen Reports poll revealed that 52 percent of California's voters believe that the Federal government encourages illegal immigration. The survey results are noteworthy considering that California is a liberal-leaning state.

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  • s c

    I don’t know how accurate this Rasmussen Reports poll is. I’m glad that 52% of any state’s citizens can see through the rotting mask of government incompetence and treason. California is literally paying for the government’s refusal to do its job.
    California is not the only state that is paying for this disgraceful problem. California and ALL states are obligated to honor the Constitution [Article 4, Section 4] and must defy the government and protect state citizens against nothing less than an evil, government-approved INVASION.
    In effect, the government has turned its unworthy back on the Constitution, and Americans are being expected to remain silent. Our non-leaders can think what they want, but the American people will not remain silent.
    If the government dares to challenge the American people, there is a constitutional, moral remedy for that challenge, and its time has come.

    • http://naver sook young

      “We shouldn’t rely on government to solve our problems, government is the Problem.” Ronald Reagan. Thank you.

      Sook Young
      Wife of the Samurai

      • slickporsche

        WOW! Isn’t that the truth. The big question is, what are “We the People” going to do about it?

        • http://naver sook young

          Well slickporche, one thing I could think of is use the most powerfull weapon we have against them, that is the right to vote. They know that we have the power to vote them out of office, so now the democrats are stepping up their attacks on us and also try to promise you everything under the sun to make them sound like good, intelligent people. Of course, we know that these are all lies. I guess I should say from any political party. Thank you.

          Sook Young
          Wife of the Samurai

          • Think Again

            California is rich because of immigrants.

            Income to immigration has a real good correlation in the US – higher immigration areas end up as higher income areas…

          • BobS

            What a load of CRAP think again. Do you really think we are that stupid? How many billions of dollars does CA spend on illegal invaders?

    • Disgusted

      And just think – all of these illegal aliens can register to vote because proof of citizenship is not required!
      OUTRAGEOUS!

      • Marie & Al

        Im sorry
        But in my book they have to have Birth Certifictie to vote ,
        Obama just don’t care as long as it vote well it No good show Me your Birth cerftificatie first & to all of the other Illegal immigrants that came for a visit & for get to leave wake up American this is our country
        God Bless USA

        • Shibamom

          I’m with you Marie & Al! Especially when all of us “American Born” citizens have to show our ID before voting. What the hell is going on in this country????

          • http://www.personalliberty.com/news/anti-immigration-lawmaker-seeks-support-in-a-battle-of-epic-proportions-800135724/?eiid&rmid=2010_10_28_PLA&rrid=238497005&replytocom=263068#respond a skeptic

            Of course Californians believe the federal government favours the entry of immigrant labour. How else are the grapes going to be picked, the tomatoes planted, the hotel rooms cleaned, the high rise building constructed, etc.? It would be erroneous to conclude from this – as almost everyone on this forum does – that Californians OPPOSE this perceived policy of the feds.

            As far as illegals having the vote, I’m sorry but you’re getting your knickers in a knot over nothing. No way an illegal shows up at a voting booth. Sorry to spoil your self-righteous pipe dreams.

          • Randy G

            Unfortuntly, the show of ID is only to prove they are who they say they are,it doesn’t prove brithright. And I should know as I work the elections.

          • Conservative

            Shibamom, I don’t know what country you are from but Americans need those jobs. The government will not allow American school kids do the LABOR anymore. Back when we were kids we did the hotel, construction, fruit/produce picking, paper routes….all the minimum wage jobs. Now the government is trying to make minimum wage a living wage and it is not that at all. It is for young unskilled kids starting out in the workforce to learn work ethic and to make a little spending money. They keep jacking up the minimum wage and the small businesses go out of business or hire illegals and pay them under the table to survive.

            Second point… where I live they did not even ask to check my ID when I went to cast my vote. They said they are not required to. 600,000 either dead, illegal or duplicate voter registrations were found in this state. After Rossi was voted in as our governor they recounted once and he still won. They recounted twice the gap narrowed and he still won. They recounted three times and he lost! They happened to find a bunch of ballots that were almost all for the democrat. Imagine that!!! Shortly after the dust cleared several people from ACORN were sent to prison for VOTER FRAUD but they still did not put Dino Rossi back in the office we the people voted him into. The sick thing is that there were more votes for that race than registered voters in our state!!!! So if you do not think there are illegals voting in other states you are sadly mistaken!!!

          • http://naver samurai

            The last time I voted for any candidate (2008), I went to the polling place and I was asked for my I.D. to verify who I was and my address. If your address was different than on your I.D. card, your had to fill out a little paper so they could change it on their printout of registered voters of the area. If you lived outside of that area you were turned away and ask to vote in your area. This sounds fair to me. I know they’ll ask me again, which is no problem, and they’ll probably ask my wife for hers (Being a first time voter). As far as illegals voting, it is possible if the people don’t I.D. then it is open to the possibility. Even if they don’t ask for it, you should show I.D., as it’ll prove who are the Americans and who isn’t. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Dan az

            skeptic
            your wrong pick up a early registration form and look at it!show me were there is any thing on there that reguires proof of citizen ship!

      • Marilyn K

        When the rules for Vote Registration were written, it appears there was not the problem we now have about illegals voting. If illegals have a driver’s license and give information on how long they have lived in the voting area, that seems to be enough. Maybe it’s time to re-write the Registration rules. I would be happy to present my birth cirtificate if I thought that would stop illegals from voting.

        The first thing we need to do is not allow Amnesty. American Citizens are being obamajacked if Amnesty is allowed. In the name of Illegal People, We DO NOT need more Illegal “Imports.” We need more legal “Exports.”

        Any political candidate who has not voted against Amnesty, get rid of them. If they want illegals to populate the United States and take American jobs, get rid of them………….VOTE!

        • Conservative

          Right on Marilyn! I agree %100!

        • Dee

          With obama up there in the white house, I don’t hold out much hope of
          amnesty not passing. I just hope some of the senators and congressmen has much more sense and not let amnesty pass. The illegal
          immigrants are ruinging this country and costing the government a fortune, but they don’t seem to give a damn.

        • http://naver samurai

          100% agree! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • newhon63

        That is one of the things we need to change about voting. You should have to show that you are an American citizen to take part in changing things here in the US. Otherwise we will have bills passed and representatives that are ready to comply with bills that encourage and reward those that come here illegally. Let us not forget about the Sharia Law that is attempting to come into our court system. The Constitutionis the law of this land. We are not in need of a 2nd set of laws to govern those that don’t want to be subject to the laws already here.

        Whenever anyone starts talking about immigration and what is going on, they are tagged as racists. So are we going to change and omit words like Obama did with “radical Islam” and such because it is too descriptive and gets to the heart of the problem? So instead of illegal aliens we will have to start calling them” citizenship deficient”. Political correctness will make the Natural born American Citizen a minority.

      • Steve

        Hey all, how fast do you think the demoncats will turn on illegals if all of a sudden they are all denied the right to vote….

    • Robert S

      The other 48% are mostly illegals. California probably has between 5,000,000 and 10,000,000 illegals alone, not counting Arnie.

    • D. L.

      I live in California and I am a United States Citizen. I support Arizona in their fight to secure their Borders as well as all the other states who have joined in the fight. I also believe that California needs to do more to curtail the problem of illegal Aliens living here and securing our borders. I can assure those who have commented on California that there are plenty of U.S. Citizens living in this state who want the same thing. We have a new Senate candidate running for office to replace the current senator in office and we have a new Governor running for office. They both want the same thing as far as fighting to do more on the issue. We who are voting for them hope and pray they win the election. But yes it is a major problem throughout our country and “We the People of the United States” who are U.S. Citizens have to stop taking a back seat and get into the drivers seat and stand up for our rights as Citizens. God Bless America!

      • Ace Sez

        One large improvement to our status in Calif. would be to stop voting ‘law school graduates’ to represent us in Gov’t—everyone knows about lawyers–no personal integrity–lie’n for either side of any subject–as long as the bux keep rollin’ in.
        I don’t know that Mz Whitman can turn things around but we know from experience that Brown is the enviromentalists darling and helped foment the problems we face his first term in office–who is really the ‘whore’ in this election in Calif.?

      • Carol

        The problem with our “conservative Republican” candidates is they don’t seem to be much better than what we already have. Fiorina comes across to me as a high and mighty better than you type. She should never have spoken in the ads. The way she talks puts my back up. Also, it scares me that she wants to make abortion illegal no matter what the reason. I guess she never had children or had her life in danger from a pregnancy. As for Brown and Whitman, it’s a case of “6 of one or 1/2 dozen of another”. We need better people for candidates here in California.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        D. L.,
        I wonder if the government said Arizona could defend their border how much trouble they would have finding volenteers todefend it??? I would be willing to go. Just let me sight in my 30.06 and I’m ready!! shouldn’t take long as I was shooting it just last week!!!

  • fedupinnc

    Well, when your OWN people are here illegally can we really expect anyone else to listen?? If this doesn’t make you mad I don’t know what will! I don’t understand why we American’s have to pay for people that are ILLEGALLY, they need to go!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBzjLnO-e3o&feature=player_embedded

    • 45caliber

      I saw a note a couple of years ago that Oblama’s brother in Kenya was living on about $50 a year. He stated that Oblama had never sent him a single dollar for help. One of the commentators was trying to get donations of $1500 to give the brother so he could go to school and become a mechanic … so he could make a good enough living to have a family. And, of course, show that Americans were willing to help others even if the President won’t help any of his relatives.

      • http://facebook shirley

        the only reason the president does not help his brother,
        the brother can not be counted on voting for Obama.
        Obama counts on immigrant votes,legal or illigal.
        they send out acron to collect votes,they will sign up
        anyone.this is happening now in georgia tuesday election.

        • 45caliber

          I agree. Blood doesn’t count but votes do.

  • charles

    We neeed a Constitutional Convention. The 14th Ammendment is not the only thing to be hijacked. Though it should be the first to be revisited. Because someone crosses a border as an illegial should not mean that their children should be citizens. It was not the intention of the ammendment to allow this practice. Amnesty given in the 80′s has worked so well we need to do it yet again. I think not . What part of illegial is so difficult to understand?

    • Carrie TPT

      I agree as any sane American does, that Illegal immigrants aka invaiding foreign nationals, need to go back from whence they came, and let them await transport in a holding camp, not mugging & selling drugs. and yet, I disagree with the Constitutional Convention idea. Remember all the Violent prone, reality ignoring Progressives? They can’t wait for a chance to open & disregard the Constitution. Hold on to it with all your heart!
      By the way, if you look at the 14 Amendment it clearly states:
      “All persons born or naturalized in the U S AND Subject to the Juristiction thereof, are citizens of the U S and of the State wherein they reside.

    • Carrie TPT

      I agree as any sane American does, that Illegal immigrants aka invaiding foreign nationals, need to go back from whence they came, and let them await transport in a holding camp, not mugging & selling drugs in our towns & cities.
      and yet, I disagree with the Constitutional Convention idea. Once it is convened, they have no set of off limit topics. The whole thing is open for “tweaking”
      Remember all the Violence- prone, reality – ignoring Progressives? They can’t wait for a chance to open & rewright the Constitution. We must Hold on to it with all our hearts!
      By the way, if you look at the 14 Amendment it clearly states:
      “All persons born or naturalized in the U S AND Subject to the Juristiction thereof, are citizens of the U S and of the State wherein they reside.
      So. . . If they have no LEGAL Residence in a State, it is clear they are NOT citizens. The Liberals have used the courts to usurp the meaning of that simple sentence (and how amny others). How much do you want them changing the whole basis of our Republic?
      No we can’t let them revise & rewrite the constitution.

    • 45caliber

      charles:

      PLEASE, not Constitutional Convention. The progressives would simply love to eliminate the Bill of Rights.

    • http://facebook shirley

      charles we should send the parents home and
      let the american adopt their children.
      then our citizens want have to go to asia
      too adopt children.
      send illegal home –keep their children.
      let see how many come to america and have
      their children after we adopt this view.

  • Gail M. Alario

    I think the time has come for all americans to stand by our constitution more now than ever before. We as an united people can over come the unwilling government to enforce our laws and protect our borders. If they will not do it then we must. This election should send a message loud and clear that we will not be silenced any longer!
    God bless America……
    On a side note…I saw that this president canceled national prayer day so he would not offend anyone….yet there was a Muslim prayer day in Washington DC in which over 50,000 showed up and our dear president was one of them….makes you wonder…..what happened to this great nation!

    • slickporsche

      A lousy government that is not for the people, and buy the people, brought about by us being so darn lethargic politically.

      • 45caliber

        I think you meant “by the people” rather than “buy the people”.

        On the other hand I think that is what Oblama and friends are trying to do, at least with the minority groups.

        • Conservative

          Actually 45caliber…. Where there not people the day after BO and his supporters bought the election that thought he was going to BUY them there houses and BUY free gas for their cars? Sorry could not resist. I’m just that way sometimes!

          • Conservative

            Sorry “their houses”. See that is what I get for being sassy!!!

    • newhon63

      What happened to this great nation is a Kenyan born Candidate made it into the White House. We have 2 more years to put up with that, then we can kick him to the curb and he can move onto his next scam.

      In the meantime we can elect Representatives in the House and Senate that will do what is needed and reflects the wishes of the American born people of the United States of America. We can make them fix the phoopas they created. And they will also fight tooth and nail to prevent Obama from doing any more damage and appointing unjustly any more of his cronies to further his agenda.

      In Patriot’s comments
      Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation has released the
      results of their investigation of Obama’s campaign spending. This study
      estimates that Obama has spent upwards of $950,000 in campaign funds in the
      past year with eleven law firms in 12 states for legal resources to block
      disclosure of any of his personal records.

      How dare Obama want to protect his personal records. It is not a matter of privacy when you are holding the highest office in the United States and the most powerful seat in the world. The American people demand to know where you are from and thereby accertain if you are even legally holding the office of the President of the United States. If it is proven that you are there illegally. Then you are subject to arrest for Fraud.

  • http://minnesota MarieElise

    Amen to all those comments .! it is way past due .

  • Carol

    The money that we,taxpayers, spend on illegals housing, medicine,
    education,and infant supplies could be poured into our Social Security,Medicare and Medicade to keep them solvent. If we would enforce the law of not hiring, not selling property, not renting
    housing, not enrolling children of illegals in our schools, we
    would not have to “arrest” or pay to send them back to their own
    countries, they would go at their own expense.

    • slickporsche

      Carol you would need to find a large wall, to list all the ways our government pees our money away. I would guess the lions share of it goes overseas for many reasons, none of which give us any benefits.

      • Craig

        Wait??? You mean the millions Oidiot sent over to Africa to teach black people how to wash their privates isn’t helping us?

    • newhon63

      That is exactly what most of them would probably do. However a good number of them would start stealing from the masses. May of the children of illegal aliens make up much of the gangs that run rabid in the streets of Los Angeles and other cities. The family life of these people unsatisfactory because of the number of people that are in each household and the fact they are drawing from Welfare means they don’t have the money to take care of so many children. So the children grow up in the streets and swell the numbers of gangs.

      The only answer is to gather the illegals up and transport them to their country of origin. This is the only way to ensure that they even leave the country in the first place.

      Build those fences so they can’t be scaled by a ladder or a tunnel dug underneath it to gain entry. Post Military on the walls 24/7 , use tranquilizer guns to halt the progress of those that somehow penetrate the perimeter. Demand that the Mexican government do their part to eliminate the so called” Coyotes” that assist these illegals in their quest to get across the border illegally. And police their own borders between Mexico and the U.S.

    • 45caliber

      Carol:

      You are right. Further, in most other countries of the world (like Indonesia) you have to pay for your children to be educated. There are NO free schools. Many come here simply to make sure their kids get a good FREE education. And since they intend to go home with their kids after the kids finish school, they want their kids taught in their native language. We shouldn’t be providing that service for “free”.

      • http://www.personalliberty.com/news/anti-immigration-lawmaker-seeks-support-in-a-battle-of-epic-proportions-800135724/?eiid&rmid=2010_10_28_PLA&rrid=238497005&replytocom=263068#respond a skeptic

        Sorry, wrong again. In the main, Mexican families move to the good ole USA in order for their children to learn English. The clamouring for bilingual education is just in the first year or so where the kids end up in a no man’s land: unable to understand their teachers if the classes are all in English and yet unable to pick up any language outside school if they’re residents of a large Latino community.

        I think anything that the government can do to help out in the kids’ transition to becoming productive citizens is all for the good.

        • http://www.personalliberty.com/news/anti-immigration-lawmaker-seeks-support-in-a-battle-of-epic-proportions-800135724/?eiid&rmid=2010_10_28_PLA&rrid=238497005&replytocom=263068#respond a skeptic

          p.s.
          That applies equally to all nationalities and has been so during the 200+ years of America’s relatively brief history. The question really is whether immigrant families want to become part of the American nation, and if so, what positive steps are they taking to achieve this.

          • Ace Sez

            You left out the word ‘illegal’ whwn you mentioned immigrants

          • http://naver samurai

            Sorry, but what part of illegal don’t you understand? We are a nation of laws and do no reward lawbreakers. Free education is a reward that they haven’t earned, nor are they entitled to. Have them go back to their home country and learn English there. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            skeptic,
            Let them learn english BEFORE they come here!!! Why should I pay for them to learn??? If I immigrate to Mexico(fat chance) they wouldn’t pay to help me learn Spanish!!!

          • http://www.personalliberty.com/news/anti-immigration-lawmaker-seeks-support-in-a-battle-of-epic-proportions-800135724/?eiid&rmid=2010_10_28_PLA&rrid=238497005&replytocom=263068#respond a skeptic

            In reply to Ace Sez:

            Yes, I left out the word “illegal” deliberately. For me the history of immigration to the United States has been to open its borders – and arms – to those who believe in the American dream. The quote above about “Give me your tired, your poor,…” is inscribed on the Statue of Liberty, the point of entry for millions of newcomers in our past, few of whom could have passed the demands of the modern-day immigration authority. (I wonder what our forefathers would have done if the native Indians had been more powerful militarily and less welcoming.)

            Today the option of emigrating legally to the United States is reserved for only the rich of other countries, due to the bureaucratic rigamorole requiring lawyers and thousands of dollars, including several thousand risked on whether the application will in the end be accepted or not. If we really do want to seal off our borders and only accept the rich (and probably corrupt) from other countries, than we no longer have the right to sing “the land of the free, and the home of the brave”.

            Any family that is willing to put their life on the line – hundreds die in the effort – to evade the border mafia and find a trust-worthy ‘coyotes’ (many simply rob them of their few pertinences, and leave them to die locked up in a trailer or in the middle of nowhere… if not put a bullet in their heads after taking their savings); swim the Rio Bravo or walk for days with little or no protective gear or provisions through desert terrain that would make even soldiers think twice; and then once they arrive, be left to find their bearings and start a new life with little more than the shirt on their backs. … and all of this knowing that they may be nabbed and sent back, if not shot at and wounded (or worse), at any point in their trek… well, in my books, they are a hell of a lot braver than I am or than anyone I know!

            I could go on, but I ask you to consider and DO SOME RESEARCH on what really are the motivations of these immigrants. To suggest that they just want to come here to learn English, abuse the welfare system, and then return home once they’ve sucked all they can off the tit of government, shows a considerable ignorance of what their real yearnings are.

            If anyone would bother to ask, I suspect these “illegals” believe more in the American Dream than even most of us here on this forum.

          • http://naver samurai

            A skeptic, are you smoking something that strong that you can’t see what’s going on in the world around you? My wife came from Korea and her family wasn’t rich. Her father was a Sergeant Major in the Korean Army and her mother was a housewife. Believe me, they didn’t have much extra money just lying around. Cite your sources on what you have posted and give us soem true facts on the subject. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • 45caliber

          I don’t know about where you are, but here the illegals want the “free” education for their kids – and they prefer it to be in their native language (which isn’t always Spanish). They really don’t care if the kid learns English since they have no interest or intention of learning it themselves. They just want the kid to learn so when he/she returns to their home country they can have at least as good an education as they can get there – and it doesn’t cost them anything.

          Why do you think Oblama was adopted by his stepfather? In Indonesia, he couldn’t get into a good school unless he was a citizen there. And even then it cost money.

          • http://naver samurai

            100% agree. Keep up the good fight, fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • slickporsche

    I agree 100% with Senator Pearce in regards to immigration reform. I would like to see our borders sealed tight, and all illigals regardless how long they have been here deported immediatly. Including those that were given citizenship through birth here. We also need to scale way back on Immigration as a whole and from countries that can give us good people. None of those are of Islam.

    • newhon63

      We need to stop all immigration to this country. We need to seal up our borders at least for 4 years so we can find out exactly who we have in this country. Where are the Sleeper Cells and Hamas terrorists that are suspected of slipping into the country from our southern borders. Deport all those that have come here illegally, and I agree that no matter how long you been here, whether you built businesses and family, accumlated money and assets. You gained all this from an illegal action the same as a drug dealer has attained wealth through illegal actions. Your holdings should be confiscated and all assets should be frozen. You should be deported as an illegal alien. Your family was born on American soil but as an illegal alien, they are not citizens either. If your spouse had knowledge of your status, they too should be investigated and charged for harboring an illegal. Your family can ask you why you didn’t come to America through legal channels, but felt you were above American laws to the extent you had to jump to the front of the line to get into the country.
      People, we need to do this and if we are going to do this, we need to go all the way. I think we would all faint if we knew the real numbers of illegals we have in the U.S. and we have our government’s lazy attitude to thank for it. They don’t contribute to the infrastructure, all they do is take. I am happy to hear some colleges are not allowing anyone who can’t prove citizenship to enroll for classes. Our U.S. born children to U.S. born citizens deserve education far more than your “anchor baby” children. Obama should worry about himself more than Arizona and their immigration laws. They got it right. Illegals, GET OUT!!!!!!!!!!

      • 45caliber

        I believe that there are at least 30,000,000 illegals here – not counting the families born here of illegals. There are simply far too many. You can see them almost everywhere in the US simply driving down a street. I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that there were as many as 50,000,000.

      • http://www.personalliberty.com/news/anti-immigration-lawmaker-seeks-support-in-a-battle-of-epic-proportions-800135724/?eiid&rmid=2010_10_28_PLA&rrid=238497005&replytocom=263068#respond a skeptic

        Does this sound familiar?:

        “Give me your tired, your poor,

        Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

        The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

        Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,

        I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

        The problem, my dear friend, is that you’re picking on the most recent immigrants and throwing the blame on them for many of the problems which American society has simply not had the backbone to stand up and resolve.

        What are these problems? The list could go on for some length: a “sick”, over-medicated population, addicted to instant fixes; widespread welfare abuse at the $1000/mo level based on lying; widespread corporate welfare at the $10,000,000/mo level based on corruption and kickbacks; young people who’ve never done a hard day’s work in their lives; dysfunctional families, especially among the blacks – abandoned by their fathers – and the whites, from Poor White Trash right on up through High Society; etc. etc. For those in this forum who would blame immigrants for all these problems, I just have one thing to say: “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.”

        When our ancestors came out to the New World there was very little in the way of bureaucratic regulations: on the contrary the country was grand – still is! – with open skies and open waterways. Immigration was encouraged because the country was growing and capable of incorporating people from all around the world who believed in its American dream.

        Of course, all of the things that we bitch about now in regard to immigrants, could equally apply to the changes that the native population and the poor in the cities had to suffer in our forefathers day. No question there who would be judged the worse offenders, the pillaging and ruthless landlords and industrialists in the East and robber barrons of Old West, or the most recent “invasion” of dirt-poor Mexicans trying to find a better life for their families and doing so in the face of a racist backlash.

        • 45caliber

          But that poem doesn’t mean that we should accept every person in the world regardless of political stance, background, police record, health problem, etc. It also doesn’t mean that we should accept illegals.

          When it was set up, all LEGAL aliens came through Ellis Island. People who came here legally and wanted to become AMERICANS, not just make some money and go back home.

          So your argument starts with flaws and goes downhill from there.

          • http://naver sook young

            I think a skeptic is an undereducated liberal, who has no idea of what this great country is about. I started my processing through immigration many years ago in Korea and now am an American citizen, so I know the process. It can be very difficult at times, but if I can do it then so do they. No excuses for breaking the law, none! I don’t believe in people getting some of my tax money if they are criminals. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

          • http://www.personalliberty.com/news/anti-immigration-lawmaker-seeks-support-in-a-battle-of-epic-proportions-800135724/?eiid&rmid=2010_10_28_PLA&rrid=238497005&replytocom=263068#respond a skeptic

            My point, 45Caliber, is simple: place the onerous burden of the modern-day bureaucratic regulations and the tremendous expense (in dollars, and adjusted to the year of arrival) upon our forefathers who originally immigrated here and most of them would have found it quite impossible to come over… meaning we’d still be Irish, or Swedish, or German or whatever instead of Americans. Still I bet that the most determined ones would have taken on the challenge, bureaucratic regulations be damned (maybe snuck across the border, after originally landing in Canada or Mexico).

            Early, more-enlightened U.S. statemen, however, chose not to restrict the free movement of people willing to start a new life in the New World, but rather open the country to settlement by all those who were willing to try and make a go of it… and yes, that included hundreds of thousands of “tired, poor, and huddled masses yearning to breathe free”. Now the only ones who get in the legal way are the ones who can buy their way in: basically, “For Sale to the Highest Bidder: legal U.S. immigrant status”.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          skeptic,
          yes, I’ve heard of it! It stands at Ellis island where the immigrants came here LEGALLY!!!! They then learned our language and assimilated into our way of life!!! Thyey also made their kids learn english as well!!!

          • http://naver sook young

            Tahnk you Joe H! I never went through Ellis Island, but I do know what it means to go through the process legally and the pride of what it means to become an American. I vote for the first time next month and will only vote for the candidate that wants to put this country back on the ways it was founded. If there is no one like that on the ballot, then I’ll write in someone to vote for. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

          • http://?? Joe H.

            sook young,
            God Bless you little lady!! samurai should be dam proud of you!!!!

          • http://naver samurai

            I already have been for 25 years! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

          a skeptic, Research the following: La Reconquista, La Raza Unida, Mexica, etc. Coming here illegally “to find a better life” is plain Bull Crap. Do some heavy duty research, Hispanos since arriving (1492) are responsible for the GENOCIDE of over 39 million Indigenous in this western hemisphere. Get your cabeza/head out of your “como se llama” wipe la Caca off your brain and re-write your BS book.

          • http://www.personalliberty.com/news/anti-immigration-lawmaker-seeks-support-in-a-battle-of-epic-proportions-800135724/?eiid&rmid=2010_10_28_PLA&rrid=238497005&replytocom=263068#respond a skeptic

            Ahh, ya, I see… so the genocide was all the Hispanics doing. It must be nice that you can wash the blood off your family’s history so easily.

            And where, by the way, do you presume the name of Mexicans come from? Ever heard of the term “mestiso”?

    • 45caliber

      I think we should seriously look at adopting Mexican immigration rules here. You have to be able to support yourself for at least a year without a job. You have to have money. You have to have a job. You cannot own property here. Etc.

      And they MUST have some skill that is needed here. Being able and willing to dig a ditch is NOT a skill. We can do that with a backhoe.

      • http://www.personalliberty.com/news/anti-immigration-lawmaker-seeks-support-in-a-battle-of-epic-proportions-800135724/?eiid&rmid=2010_10_28_PLA&rrid=238497005&replytocom=263068#respond a skeptic

        Actually, if you have a useful profession – even being a simple English teacher, with certification – it’s quite easy and relatively inexpensive to get legal papers to work in Mexico.

        I do agree with you, though, that the Mexican government treats those without papers quite harshly… and with certain reason, since rich Americans have little rational to avoid registering except for a disdain for Mexican government.

        As with so much in this world today, money makes all the difference!

  • Al Sieber

    All I can say is here in Ariz. they’re registering illegal aliens to vote, and they’re sending a lot of “Drones” into Mexico over the border towns, the cartels are taking over the border towns.

    • 45caliber

      Yeah, I know. Texas too. I suspect that sometime in the near future, we are going to have to do something serious about the cartels, which will probably include military trips into Mexico to take care of them there too. It happened in Poncho Villa’s day and it will again.

      • Robert S

        45 Pancho Villa wasn’t running drugs for the US Gov’t.

        • 45caliber

          No, but he did shoot a few Americans.

      • Al Sieber

        Yeah 45, but over here in Ariz. there’s cartel members in every small town and city in Ariz.. I think theres a invasion headed this way, I mean military style. keep your powder dry.

        • Dan az

          Hey Al
          The other day we had some bikers stop by the shop to get fixed and they where on rented harleys from nevada they where on vacation from mexico.No kidding couldnt speak any english but what I could make out was that they where staying for a month in las vegas.So much for those poor imagrants.

          • Al Sieber

            They were probably fleeing Mexico.

          • Carol

            More likely they were either drug lords or “High class” from Mexico City. They have all the money, and don’t want to move from Mexico.

    • (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

      Al Sieber, You’ve got that right, as I have posted here before, here in Douglas, Az. your statement is reality. Most people do not know diddle coyote squat about what is going on. Now read what is happening in Tucson, Az. three killings crimes, (some killings related to cartels) per week. This just for starters, hell it “will” get worse in your cities where-ever that maybe.

  • Philip C.

    I wish him luck. Something needs to be done about these automatic-citizen anchor babies, and all the benefits being paid out to their shiftless parents.

    And while they’re at it, don’t forget to go after these birth-junkets, where the mother comes to the U.S. on a visa, is put up in a fancy hotel, stays long enough to give birth, and then heads home.

    • Carol

      I’ve said this previously, but will say it again. A friend of mine was born on a US base in Germany. His father was married to a German woman. He was 9 months old when his family returned to the US. He worked for one of the railroads for 40 years. Then when he applied for his pension, was told since he was not a legal citizen of the United States, he was ineligible until he went through the process of becoming a legal US citizen. It took him 3 years, and of course he had to get a “green card” since he had to go back to work during that 3 years. Now, I always understood that a US base in a foreign country was considered American soil. Talk about the stupidity of the US gov’t.

  • marvin

    can i get a amen thats just what the 14 amendment saz it was for children of the freed black slaves that where granted citizen ship, there for making their children legal citizens,if you are here and not a legal citizen your children are not legal citizens, no one can grant or betow something to you that does not belong to them,as per an illegal granting citizen ship to their child,it is not theirs to give an illegal has no rights,it is hard to think or belive that 149 years ago are founding fathers said to hell with the law and the constitution we wrote it ok to break our laws as long as you will vote democratic

  • Carlucci

    The problem is that there are no mandatory conditions regarding this anchor baby nonsense. The parents or parent of the anchor baby should be incarcerated during recovery, and then forced into U.S. military service asap after the birth. While the parent or parents are serving in the military, the baby can live with relatives in Mexico or wherever they came from. Once this policy travels through the grapevine, the preggers will probably want to stay put in their native country.

    Immigrants from Europe were drafted to serve during the Civil War right as they got off the boats in NYC. They were told it was mandatory if they wanted to stay in America.

    • 45caliber

      Actually, I believe that if an illegal family has a child here, they should be immediately deported back to their own country with the child. When the child becomes 18, he/she can go to a US embassy and declare they want to be American. Then they ALONE can come to the US as a citizen. And they can’t immediately get their entire family here. The family MUST go through the normal procedure that every legal must to come here. They get no government aid from our country at all – before, during, or after the birth. I think that would tend to stop a LOT of people from trying to have anchor babies.

      • Ace Sez

        While ‘anchor babies’ are a very large problem–Osambo’s State Dept is moving in millions of Somalis and immigrants from other Muslim countries under one guise of asylum or another and the press sez nothing about the new welfare recipients—and new ‘voters’ that’ll keep the socialists in power for yrs to come–none of his agenda is helpful to the Constitutional USA.
        God Lord people–use your heads to vote–who you choose to represent you in Gov’t has serious consequences.
        We’ve gott’a flood the Senate and Congress with as many new faces as possible or we’ll never get things properly turned around!!

        • 45caliber

          I believe that unless they have some educational skill we need in our country, NONE should come here. I heard a couple of years ago that the US was bringing in 1/2 million Vietnamese a year. Most were settling in CA – and drawing welfare. We don’t need them any more than we need some from Somalia, Nigeria, the Mid-East, Mexico, or anyplace else.

  • http://aol nancy says

    at one time If you came here to live, and you had a child, You proud your child was born in AMERICA.
    But now people come here and disrespect our country, and they have children, they want everyone
    else to pay. But I believe this a issue, should be thought through.

    To VOTE HAVE TO BE A AMERICAN CITIZEN, SHOW ID.

    • newhon63

      They need more than ID. The illegals have driver’s licenses. How they got them without a birth certificate, I don’t know. Someone got the bright idea that as long as you are breathing you can have a driver’s license.
      Someone said they would be more than happy to present their birth certificate at the booth to prove they are an American citizen if it will keep the illegals from voting. Arizona is registering their illegals to vote. That is non sense and should be repealled right away. They have no rights in the U.S. whatsoever. If they are registering as illegals there should be a bus with the state troopers waiting to load them up to take them back.
      Amnesty for illegals is also a bad idea. That just promotes more to come to America illegally and later take part in the next round of amnesty.
      Anyone hiring illegals to work for them undocumented should be brought up on charges and fined a hefty amount to make those hiring them to refrain from doing it. Fine and jail time both would be a great deterrent. Is it worth jail time and 10,000 dollars to pay 50 cents a day to an illegal worker to save money? OH!!! 10,000 is easy? Ok, how about 50,000 dollars. You know what? This is supposed to be a deterrent that will work. Soooo…….250,000 dollar fine for every illegal worker you have in your employ plus 1 year in jail for every illegal you have in your employ. Too much? Good, don’t hire illegals.

      • 45caliber

        When I and my children got our driver’s license, we had to show a birth certificate. In fact, we didn’t even have one for the kids and they had to get one solely for that purpose.

        But now the Dems insist that ANYONE should be able to get a driver’s license without showing proof of birth. So what good does it do to show ‘proof’ of citizenship since they show a driver’s license?

        • Randy G

          Now they just have to show a drivers license!

  • Patriot

    Obama does not care since he is not a citizen himself!

    These questions need to be answered now, where is the outrage? Why is this not being investigated?

    1. : OBAMA`S CITIZENSHIP CASE REACHES THE SUPREME COURT
    VERY QUIETLY OBAMA’S CITIZENSHIP CASE REACHES THE SUPREME COURT
    AP – WASHINGTON D.C. –
    In a move certain to fuel the debate over Obama’s qualifications
    for the presidency, the group “Americans for Freedom of Information” has
    Released copies of President Obama’s college transcripts from Occidental
    College. Released today, the transcript school indicates that Obama, under
    the name Barry Soetoro, received financial aid as a foreign student from
    Indonesia as an undergraduate. The transcript was released by Occidental
    College in compliance with a court order in a suit brought by the group in
    the Superior Court of California. The transcript shows that Obama (Soetoro)
    applied for financial aid and was awarded a fellowship for foreign students
    from the Fulbright Foundation Scholarship program. To qualify, for the
    scholarship, a student must claim foreign citizenship.
    This document would seem to provide the smoking gun that many of
    Obama’s detractors have been seeking. Along with the evidence that he was
    first born in Kenya and there is no record of him ever applying for US
    citizenship, this is looking pretty grim. The news has created a firestorm
    at the White House as the release casts increasing doubt about Obama’s
    legitimacy and qualification to serve as President article titled, “Obama
    Eligibility Questioned,” leading some to speculate that the story may
    overshadow economic issues on Obama’s first official visit to the U.K. In a
    related matter, under growing pressure from several groups, Justice
    Antonin Scalia announced that the Supreme Court agreed on Tuesday to hear
    arguments concerning Obama’s legal eligibility to serve as President in a
    case brought by Leo Donofrio of New Jersey. This lawsuit claims Obama’s dual
    citizenship disqualified him from serving as president. Donofrio’s case is
    just one of 18 suits brought by citizens d
    emanding proof of Obama’s citizenship or qualification to serve as
    president.
    Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation has released the
    results of their investigation of Obama’s campaign spending. This study
    estimates that Obama has spent upwards of $950,000 in campaign funds in the
    past year with eleven law firms in 12 states for legal resources to block
    disclosure of any of his personal records. Mr. Kreep indicated that the
    investigation is still ongoing but that the final report will be provided to
    the U..S. Attorney general, Eric Holder. Mr. Holder has refused to comment
    on the matter…
    LET OTHER FOLKS KNOW THIS NEWS, THE MEDIA WON’T !
    Subject: RE: Issue of Passport?
    While I’ve little interest in getting in the middle of the Obama
    birth issue, Paul Hollrah over at FSM did so yesterday and believes the
    issue can be resolved by Obama answering one simple question: What passport
    did he use when he was shuttling between New York , Jakarta , and Karachi ?
    So how did a young man who arrived in New York in early June 1981,
    without the price of a hotel room in his pocket, suddenly come up with the
    price of a round-the-world trip just a month later?
    And once he was on a plane, shuttling between New York , Jakarta ,
    and Karachi , what passport was he offering when he passed through Customs
    and Immigration?
    The American people not only deserve to have answers to these
    questions, they must have answers. It makes the debate over Obama’s
    citizenship a rather short and simple one.
    Q: Did he travel to Pakistan in 1981, at age 20?
    A : Yes, by his own admission.
    Q: What passport did he travel under?
    A: There are only three possibilities.
    1) He traveled with a U.S… Passport,
    2) He traveled with a British passport, or
    3) He traveled with an Indonesia passport.
    Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. Passport in 1981?
    A: No. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S… State
    Department’s “no travel” list in 1981.
    Conclusion: When Obama went to Pakistan in 1981 he was traveling
    either with a British passport or an Indonesian passport.
    If he were traveling with a British passport that would provide
    proof that he was born in Kenya on August 4, 1961, not in Hawaii as he
    claims. And if he were traveling with an Indonesian passport that would tend
    to prove that he relinquished whatever previous citizenship he held,
    British or American, prior to being adopted by his Indonesian step-father in
    1967.
    Whatever the truth of the matter, the American people need to know
    how he managed to become a “natural born” American citizen between 1981 and
    2008..
    Given the destructive nature of his plans for America, as
    illustrated by his speech before Congress and the disastrous spending plan
    he has presented to Congress, the sooner we learn the truth of all this, the
    better.
    If you Don’t care that Your President is not a natural born Citizen
    and in Violation of the Constitution, then Delete this, and then lower your
    American Flag to half-staff, because the U.S. Constitution is already on
    life-support, and won’t survive much longer.
    If you do care then Forward this to as many patriotic Americans as
    you can, because our country is being looted and ransacked!

    • 45caliber

      I agree with your reasoning. To tell the truth, I’m not sure even HE knows where he was born. But I believe that when it was discovered, there was a strong move by the entire Democrat Party to hide it. I would like to see evidence provided simply to see what they are trying to hide.

      And for those of you who keep insisting that he has already produced an American birth certificate – I’ve seen the real thing for someone born on the same day that he was born. And they are not alike by any means. Further, the one I saw had a number just like all birth certificates do. The number on his was issued about two weeks later. You keep believing if you want to. I prefer to wait to see the one that will be produced sooner or later.

  • 45caliber

    When I was in Civics class in high school (something no longer taught to our youth) I was told that any child born of foreign parents in the US was entitled to dual citizenship UNTIL HE TURNED 18.

    At that time he would have a choice: He would be required to choose which country (his parents or the US) that he wanted to be a citizen of. THERE WERE TO BE NO PEOPLE WITH “DUAL” CITIZENSHIP OTHER THAN THAT.

    If he chose his parents country, then he had citizenship there and had to go through the same legal procedures as anyone else to visit here. If he chose to be American, he was required to give up all rights in his parents’ country and move here to stay. Then, as an American he would have ALL the same rights … and responsibilities … as any other American.

    I think we need to return to that procedure and eliminate all the ‘dual’ citizenship people. How on earth can anyone have ‘dual’ citizenship? That requires conflicting loyalties – which always result in problems.

  • http://none draper b. gregory

    Good morning.Whew, a lot of dynamic and circular talk with frustration and fear thrown in.Sad and alarming.

    A step to a solution will probably involve an amendment to the Constitution.So here comes a constitutional convention. Next step is to insist that our elected officials promise to take the necessary steps to do it. And if they don’t, VOTE the buns OUT. It will take time, but persistence and knowledge about which person to vote for are the key.

    I say this without any disrespect, but my perception is that a significant percentage of voters, simply do not know WHO TO VOTE FOR.

    Solution? Go to sources that take it upon themselves to make sure who is the proper person to vote for in order to get what needs to be done—such as the Tea Party.

    Good luck to all. Your fellow concerned citizen. Draper Gregory

    • 45caliber

      Not a Constitutional Convention. We can get an amendment passed without that!! The progressives WANT a CC since that would allow them to alter everything in the Constitution!! Do you want them to eliminate the Bill of Rights??

  • Tierra Naomi Teneil

    Hellooo, its Tierra again,……I don’t understand how so many Americans can be so stupid. It is because of their stupidity that so many Mexicans are coming over here with absolutely no regard for you, your way of life, or your religion. (Jose Angel Guiterraz, the founder of LaRaxa plainly stated, “WE HAVE TO ELIKINATE THE GRINGO, AND BY ELIMINATE, AND WHAT I MEAN BY ELIMINATE OF WORSE COMES TO WORST, WE MUST KILL HIM”. Islam has picked up on that statement and that very same stupidity and is getting ready to blow the freijolas out of all of you. Soon, you will be the new Israel. You are all like Dodo birds anxiously waiting to get devoured by the wolf,……and that wolf is Senior Obama,…….as a new citizen I’m appalled at the ignorance and laxed attitude of this nation of which I’am now a part of,……there are definetly (3) states that should be severly repremended by the other (48) for their actions and for who they vote into office. Those states are Ma., Ca., and Minnesota,…California should be put into quarantine and all their representitives, local, state, and federal should be thrown in jail and a great many of them tried for treason,…….maybe they should import Barney Franks and Chris Dodd to solve their money problems,…:). “Chihauhau” hombres, what is wrong with everyone in this nation!!!!

    XOXO Tierra

  • ONTIME

    “Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country.” Not just a typing exercise nowadays but a actual fact for behavior of all Americans who wish to preserve the soverignty of the country and secure it’s borders, maintain it’s freedoms.

    Look to the remaining Deemers in the congress to come out of their shells and move to garner support for their precious amnesty by again asking the RINO element of the Republican Party for support. Those such as McCain and Ghram and others of their ilk, the ones that just cannot stop crossing that fence to torpedoe long sought legislation by Real Republicans. This election is oly the beginning of a lot of hard work to secure the future of this nation and vanquish the threat of communism and socialism from the ability to ever make their presence a threat again. Ever vigilant and forever loyal to freedom.

  • dahni

    One anchor baby example….a pregnant Mexican woman visited relatives; and overstayed her permit to have her baby; in a local hospital at no charge. The Fed and State social services divisions came in and put her on welfare, aic and public housing. Within a couple of months her Mexican husband, her mother and two sisters came to visit; and all applied for social assistance based on their relationship to the anchor baby. They all got aid, food stamps and were permitted to live in the public housing.

    Both sisters got pregnant within a short time; and repeated the illegal stay and delivery of two more anchor babies. According to a social service worker, no one in the family is legal except for the 3 babies; yet they now have in excess of 20 illegals living there, receiving aid and food stamps. No one is working…..

    Anyone think this is unusual? I barely make enough to support my family, and really don’t feel like I am responsible for taking care of those folks as well.

    • 45caliber

      I can give other examples like it. One US woman gave birth in Dallas. The woman who shared her room was an illegal having her 6th kid here. She bragged about not having to pay a penny while the American had to fork over about $8000.

  • DANEL

    I welcome the day obama and his terrorists are prosecuted for their deceit perpetrated on the American people.sadly,I do not think that our country would survive obamas evil deceit.and to admit to this evil deed would require great inner strength by American politicians.we,do not have strong politicians,we only have what we have produced by our endless neglect of the truth.IS IT USEFUL FOR AMERICA TO PURSUE THE TRUTH???Or,shall the world still believe obama is an American citizen,and patriot????????As for me?I WANT THE TRUTH.

  • http://com i41

    And while the mexican female is pregnant and up in states up by the Canadan border. He sires and created another child before he leaves Mexico. Then as he moves north, he creates more offspring for the citizens to take care of. If he gets caught the females and offspring are left on the tab for the American people. All because of the anchor baby. I am speaking from when I was a law officer in the early 90′s. There were offspring 2 in Tex, Olk, Neb, SD, Wyo. Mt. He wasn’t married to any up north but claimed he had one woman in Mex. When he got caught with a pistol, that had been brought in to NY by a ship, less tthan a month earlier. The pig should have been neutored, and women sterilized and sent back with their offspring.

    • 45caliber

      It would definately make them think twice before coming up here, wouldn’t it.

  • Rick

    This is a proposal that is long overdue. It really galls me to go to my local Walmart and see a couple that is probably (99%) illegal with
    3 or 4 “BORN IN AMERICA” kids, and another on the way, all being paid
    for by American taxpayers. Obama wants to make all of these people new
    Democrat voters, unwittingly becoming slaves to the government.

    • crystals10

      Touches!!!

  • CouchPtto

    The idea of granting citizenship just because someone is born in US is itself questionable. That too, for children of illegal aliens? ridiculous. Taxpayers must demand to know how their money is being wasted for footing public services bills of illegal aliens, and how tax money is being wasted funding countries 9000 miles away with ‘foreign aid’ that dont even share the same ideology that the US was founded upon. (Think Pakistan)

  • Dan az

    As long as this keeps going on then there will be no need to lift the borders they will already be here.

  • crystals10

    Thank you Marilyn K., Just say NO to AMNESTY!! Please research this point if you don’t know what amnesty is. You will be glad you did.

  • Cathy1960

    If companies and people that hired these illegals here in the United States were fine and held responsible to pay to have them deported or pay for them while they were identified as a illegal immigrant, they would not be here. If they can’t get work, they won’t want to come here. So you need to put the blame where it belongs. As long as there are companies hiring illegal immigrants they will come.
    And I believe that any child born of an illegal immigrant should never be given citizenship, that also is another reason to come to the United States.

  • Cathy1960

    oops ….fined

  • robert cosenza

    frank serpico for president and bob barr for vice president,don,t know who frank serpico is,go back to the 60,s and read about the knapp commision,frank will put this country back on the right track,god bless america

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