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Anti-Abortion Movement Changes, Strengthens

November 7, 2011 by  

Anti-Abortion Movement Changes, Strengthens

The face of the anti-abortion movement has changed in recent years, shifting from the evangelical preachers of the past to today’s increasingly common young, female anti-abortion activist.

Groups like Americans United for Life, Concerned Women for America, Students for Life and Susan B. Anthony List have grown increasingly popular in recent years and put a more feminine face on the abortion debate, says a recent article published by The Washington Post.

The significance of the shift, the article says, is a major change in the way abortion is discussed. The traditional anti-abortion mantra was often rooted in religious value and rights of the fetus — but that made it difficult for those against the practice to defend themselves in arguments from the other side that poor, single mothers-to-be should have the “choice” to terminate their pregnancies for the sake of the child’s and the mother’s quality of life.

Now, with women at the forefront of the abortion debate, the word “choice” may effectively be taken from the left as many of these women demonstrate their choice by example, choosing to have the children and accept difficulties, according to the report.

The article reports that in recent years, the changing anti-abortion movement has made great strides in getting tough abortion rules passed in cities and States throughout the country. The ultimate goal remains overturning Roe v. Wade.

Sam Rolley

Staff writer Sam Rolley began a career in journalism working for a small town newspaper while seeking a B.A. in English. After learning about many of the biases present in most modern newsrooms, Rolley became determined to find a position in journalism that would allow him to combat the unsavory image that the news industry has gained. He is dedicated to seeking the truth and exposing the lies disseminated by the mainstream media at the behest of their corporate masters, special interest groups and information gatekeepers.

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  • s c

    What is it with women who think that a baby isn’t really a baby? Who tells them that a baby is simply a mass of flesh that can be ‘disposed of’ with a simple procedure? I suspect that Planned NonParenthood is at the heart of the matter, so here’s a platform for their braindead apologists.
    Apparently, between our hookers in Congress and Planned NonParenthood, no one ever mentioned the fact that if a woman doesn’t get pregnant, she doesn’t have to think about ‘help.’ It makes me wonder how much wealth is spread around in the ‘disposing’ of America’s “unwanted” babies.
    Finally, I get the distinct impression that the Planned NonParenthood herd never took the time to do any research on eugenics, Margaret Sanger, Hitler’s WWII Germany and America’s space cadets who think they can bless the world with a superior race via slaughtering ‘inferiors.’ Isn’t it a bit difficult to prove superiority when a scalpel, a suction pump and legalized murder (for PROFIT) are the tools of ‘superior’ beings?

    • Robert Smith

      From sc: “the fact that if a woman doesn’t get pregnant, she doesn’t have to think about ‘help.’”

      Planned Parenthood is responsible for reducing the number of abortions than any other organization by making sure women know about pregnancy prevention and making the maeans for that available.

      How many churches are putting out information on how to not get pregnant except for that demonstrated failed “abasanance” thing?

      Rob

      • Greg

        Abstinence is the correct teaching tool. It has worked for many, until liberals come along and force sex aids on kids in schools.

        Since doctors perform surgery on unborn infants, do we call the infant a person?

        • Robert Smith

          Greg asks: “Since doctors perform surgery on unborn infants, do we call the infant a person?”

          Not necessarily. It depends upon what the woman carrying it wants to call it. I will support her right to make that decision.

          BTW, if you invited a guest to come to a party and they decided to stay wwould you accept them? If they decided to stay, eat your food, and take everything they needed from you for 9 months would you consent?

          I doubt it. I’ll bet you would work to toss that person out. If you couldn’t do it yourself you would get perfessional help like the local sharrif.

          That’s what I think of your “person” argument.

          Rob

          Rob

          • Marla

            Robert, I believe in choice too….a women has the chioce as to whether or not she has sex. Then she has to choice as to whether or not she uses protection….but if she makes a decision that results in conception, then she’s dealing with another LIFE! Part of what’s corrupted this country so bad is that this so-called choice has corrupted natural affections. A mother’s natural tendency is to protect her children at all costs and to so callously abandon that is to leave a whole generation of girls and women with a moral deficit they can’t overcome.

          • Robert Smith

            Posted: “then she’s dealing with another LIFE!”

            Or not, depending on what she believes.

            BTW, sex is for far more than reproduction. Otherwise why would your brutal god make it so much fun? Ohhhhhh… He’s testing!

            Sheesh, I’m sure glad I don’t follow such a fickle god.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            SSDD, eh Rob? Don’t you ever get tired of posting the same rhetoric, lies, and innuendo day in and day out? It doesn’t matter what the woman calls it, it is a living being. It has a sould given to them by God above and who the h*** are you to say otherwise. Isn’t freedom in America great where we can go by our beliefs and not have others, like this idiot, force their beliefs on us? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • http://naver samurai

            The more you Christian and God bash, the more moronic and mentally unstable you sound. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Cliffystones

            “………..if you invited a guest to come to a party and they decided to stay would you accept them?”

            Would you hack them to death with a kitchen knife, then decapitate them with piano wire?

            That’s what I think of your “decision” argument!

          • Robert Smith

            Samurai asks: “It has a sould given to them by God above and who the h*** are you to say otherwise.”

            Someone who doesn’t believe in your brutal god and thus isn’t obligated to listen to his noisy followers.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            SSDD, eh Rob? Same old Christian and God bashing? It’s getting old, so try to come up with something more of an intellectual answer. Giving the size of yout little lib mind, it seems to be an impossibility. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • nancy

            robert ; You’re an ignorant fool !

          • nbt303

            that thinking is awful. no matter how you think of it or whos side ur on the bare bones FACTS are that a living soul (not a glob of flesh) gets chopped up and sucked into a sink. sometimes MUCH worse. and we women have THE RIGHT to do that. i think its a horrible brutal practice. i wish they would release the statistics of what type of women are the ones having these abortions. THAT fact alone would change peoples thinking. my 2 cents

        • http://jayjay Mary Vaughn

          What a foolish person you are to claim that abstinance has worked. I was around before the pill and before Roe v. Wade. Young girls from every persuasion including church going girls became pregnant. Many of these girls were sent away and others were so frightened by being branded and parents disowning them had back alley abortions. Then there was the good old coat hanger trick. Many many girls committed suicide. These new pro-life people do not even make allowances for rape and incest. Even before Roe v Wade if it came down to the Mother’s life or that of the fetus then the Mother could be saved if she or her family chose to do so. You people do not even want that. What about the life of a 12 year old girl who has been raped by her own father and carrying that child to term. Pregnancy at this young age often leaves a girl sterile for life. Abortion should not be a black or white issue, there are gray areas to consider.

          • http://naver samurai

            What a rant! Same old overused arguement! Yes, it is true that these things happen to girls, but abstinance is still the best way to go. This would mean less diseases, emotional problems, and no need for abortions. Women like you just only see from their perspective and never see the whole picture. It’s like you are looking through a glass darkly. The incidents you are talking about are less than 1% of all abortions. I guess the other 99% of them are unnecessary, aren’t they? Has to be another lib and atheist. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • s c

            Mary, Mary, Mary. You’ve had all these many years to get smarter, and you’re still stuck on “I know what I know.” You DON’T know who Margaret Sanger was, do you? You DON’T know the Sanger-Hitler connection, do you? You DON”T understand why the wunderkind prez is such a hypocrite in letting black babies be slaughtered via abortions and yet he CLAIMS to be black, proud and a “LEADER.”
            In 10 minutes or less, you can increase your REAL knowledge on abortions quite a bit. THEN, come back and prove that you have a functioning conscience, Mary Vaughn. At the moment, you’re just another regurgitating parrot for utopians and Planned NonParenthood.

          • Robert Smith

            From samurai: ” The incidents you are talking about are less than 1% of all abortions. ”

            And your source of that garbage is?

            Rob

        • Rusticus

          Children taught only abstinence have more pregnancies than children who are taught about human sexuality. Why does the right hate women and sexuality?

          • http://naver samurai

            Care to cite a source to back up that lie? My children were taught to abstain till marriage and they haven’t had sex or kids yet. Looks like you lie again. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            Here you go samurai: “The weight of
            the evidence from peer-reviewed scientific journals
            clearly shows that some comprehensive
            sex education programs can reduce behavior
            that puts young people at risk of HIV, STIs and
            unintended pregnancy, and that these programs
            do not promote earlier onset of sexual activity or
            an increased number of sexual partners among
            adolescents.”

            That’s from: http://ari.ucsf.edu/science/reports/abstinence.pdf

            Page 8.

            Oh, and from that same paper: “By contrast, little if any credible
            research exists to substantiate the claims that
            abstinence-only programming leads to positive
            behavior change among youth.”

            Pier reviewd and all that.

            Rob

      • s c

        rs, does the PRO DEATH crowd make up words when adequate ones can’t be found? I’d like to know, as I took the time to find what you refer to as “abasanance.” Guess what? It’s NOT in the dictionary.
        Now, if you were referring to ‘abstinence,’ that word IS in the dictionary. More and more, it’s obvious that conservatives and utopians can’t communicate. Even when you get past the rhetoric and the hateful lingo used by PRO DEATHERS, words DO get in the way.
        The very least you can do is to get a good dictionary. The language is English, and you ARE obligated to TRY before you send in a response, PRO DEATHER.

        • Robert Smith

          Ummmm, pssssst, s t… Deather isn’t in the dictionary either.

          Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            You know what he means. Pro-deather is the direct opposite of a pro-lifer. A pro-lifer believes in saving the lives of babies, while a pro-deather (Like you) doesn’t care about innocent lives. You just spew putrid bile from your mouth. You are so full of hate and arrogance, but this didn’t stop you from being an accomplace to murdering your own unborn child, now did it? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • s c

            Hey, Einstein. You almost make me think you can read. By the way, you won’t find ultraliberal utopian progressive in a dictionary.
            But, that never stopped you from being programmed so you could be a member of that twisted, useful idiot group. Your spelling is getting worse, too.

          • Robert Smith

            Samurai lies again: “but this didn’t stop you from being an accomplace to murdering your own unborn child, now did it?”

            I had no part in any abortions. My position is simply to respect what each woman decides.

            Why are you making so much stuff up samurai? Isn’t lying un-christian?

            Rob

        • Rusticus

          If you want to use accurate language, instead of saying “pro-life” use the more accurate, “anti-woman” or “woman haters” or “Women are chattel.”

          Your movement is composed of people devoid of empathy and compassion. They are “anti-abortion” because they feel people will believe they possess some humanity when in fact as human beings they are mean spirited, sterile, empty husks.

          • http://naver samurai

            Kind of like looking in the mirror? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • libertytrain

            frankly I don’t understand why women get the blame or your comments. It’s the men who don’t seem to have any control or take any responsibility to prevent babies – in my opinion – they just get off free and easy, particularly if the woman has the abortion. Much easier – no paternity test needed so no child support. Free as a bird to do it again and again and no one is the wiser…. :)

      • nancy

        robert s ; planned parenthood , is responsible for MORE abortions ; not less . They are promoting them ; WAKE UP !

    • American Taxpayer

      Did you ever consider that our problems are caused by us playing God and destroying the precious life that He gave to us? The Muslims and the Mexicans in this country are having 6-8 children so why are the white people so concerned about the whites not having children? Children are a beautiful gift.
      Stop teaching our children to have sex. The high school girls are having abortions and taking the morning after pill like it’s nothing!! We have lost our conscience and are not told that these “problems” will come back to personally haunt us and as a nation, they are already haunting us! We do not have a right to destroy a fetus. Our bodies were given to us by God and are on loan to us from Him! The feminists have really done a number on our heads and our children are suffering.

      • Robert Smith

        First ting Taxpayer would be to get your facts straight. You claim: “The Muslims and the Mexicans in this country are having 6-8 children…”

        You can do the homework on the rest of your claim without a citation at all. On your claim of the Mexicans the information is easily available.

        Check out: http://www.cis.org/ImmigrantBirthRates-FertilityUS

        “Among Mexican immigrants in the United States, for example, fertility averages 3.5 children per woman compared to 2.4 children per women in Mexico.”

        Please stop perpetuating the lies of the right wing propaganda. I don’t deny that illegal immigration and so called anchor babies aren’t a problem, but it helps to be honest about it.

        Rob

      • http://naver samurai

        You are right about the morals and how we are going against our Christian founding. Keep up the good fight, fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Verus Langham

      The absolute truth and quite possibly the strongest imperative in awakening the moral fiber existing within all men and women regardless of their expressed inclinations left or right…. a truth against which there is NO defense at all…. your comment has struck a chord within the breast of someone and will resonate throughout time. Your imaginative critique and knowledge has helped illuminate that truth in an intelligent and timely fashion to those who read it; many of whom will cry before sleeping tonight, I promise you.

    • JB

      Far too many posters only project their own mentality (given to them usually by someone else just as stupid) – - Planned Parenthood is an option – not a requirement – and a service provided that isn’t provided by parents, church, or others. Far too many have nitwits ever spent any time at a Planned Parenthood faciliity and actually observed their services – -
      There is a myriad of issues for a “pregnant female” and her decisions are logically between her, her family (if she has one), her doctor (if she has one), & her God (she has one). Outsiders (especially gov’t) should never be involved with her decisions.

  • Charles

    While I can, I shall call on the G_d of heaven to protect the un-born, and open the eyes of all who support free thinking abortions. I am glad I was not aborted!!!

    • Karolyn

      “You” may have been aborted at some point in your lives. Spirit lives forever and keeps coming back if it so wishes.

      • Jim

        It is to die but once !!!

      • Greg

        Stop guessing. You don’t have a clue what happens.

        • Karolyn

          Well, neither do you! It is my belief, as yours is yours.

      • http://naver samurai

        Wrong answer! Once we die, our soul (spirit) goes before the throne of God to be judged. If He says welcome, then we go to heaven for eternity. If he says away from me all those that do iniquity, then we burn for all eternity in hades. It’s that simple. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Karolyn

          As I’ve said repeatedly, Samurai, you have your belief and I have mine; and neither can be proved either right or wrong.

          • http://naver samurai

            Well, actually I can prove mine to be correct with the Bible. What do you use to prove yours is right, Karolyn? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            From samurai: “Well, actually I can prove mine to be correct with the Bible.”

            That isn’t “proof” to those of us who don’t follow YOUR interpritations that result in the portrayal of such a brutal god.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Ahhhhh such wordplay to insult others and steal their rights. So much for freedom of speech and religion, eh butthead? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • JB

          Back off, samurai – - – you obviously know absolutely nothing about either God or Country – - and it shows – - -
          Just a simpleton with access and time to kill – -

    • Jim

      Quote:
      “While I can, I shall call on the G_d of heaven to protect the un-born, and open the eyes of all who support free thinking abortions. I am glad I was not aborted!!!”

      OK I’m really confused,… who is G_d????
      I’ve never read in the Bible about G_d !
      I know about the GOD of heaven,
      but not about G_d!
      I would really like to know why on so many forums HIS name is
      hidden … just like the word xmas …..

      Are you ashamed?

      • home boy

        his name is hidden because some people don’t want you to know the truth. find a bible printed before 2000 and you will see his name over 7000 times thru the book. also, there is a methodist church in savannah ga. built in the early 1800′s that has his name across the front fasade. JEHOVAH. they knew then but they don’t want you to know now.

      • Laurence

        Equal chromosomes from each parent make an immediate unique new individual, already equpped with hair skin and eye colour determination as well as build and facial features. This single cell rapidly multiplies, attaching itself to the womb lining about day 6.It governs all maternal physiological and hormonal changes to allow the pregnancy to proceed. It has its own DNA and blood group and builds its own life support system.It is fully developed at 10 weeks. The objection to abortion is not related to child disease and death statistics but to objection to infanticide and euthanasia. .
        I cannot care for all the children in the world, but I object to mass killing and barbarity.Killing selected groups of undesirables for other ends is straight out of the holocaust philosophy.The mother has choice before falling pregnant but thereafter both parents and society have responsibility.

        • Robert Smith

          Laurence claims: “Equal chromosomes from each parent make an immediate unique new individual, already equpped with hair skin and eye colour determination as well as build and facial features.”

          If I have the architectual plans for a house it is NOT the same as a house. I can destroy those plans with no penalty if I drew them.

          DNA is no more a “baby” than plans are for a house. There is a PROCESS that must be complete before either reaches what it will be.

          Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            I assume that you would agree that if a person had a heartbeat they would be considered alive, correct? Then how do you turn around and become a hypocrate when it comes to the unborn? Since a fetus can have a heartbeat as early as 3 – 4 weeks after conception, ergo it is a living being. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            From samurai: “I assume that you would agree that if a person had a heartbeat they would be considered alive, correct? ”

            Not correct. Karen Ann Quinlin (sp?) was the NJ state vegitable for many years.

            Terri Shivo was long dead before the plug was pulled. MOF the autoposy proved that her brain could not have been functioning.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            But yet their hearts were still beating, correct? No matter how damaged a person is, they still have the God given rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness (Declaration of Independence). So who are you to deny these to someone just because they are a fetus? Stop trying to play God and remember the one you helped to murder. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • eddie47d

            Like Samurai likes to deny equal rights to gays.

    • http://naver samurai

      It is God, not G_d. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • JB

      You should never be involved with any decision made by a pregnant female, Charles – - they don’t pertain your personal beliefs.

  • Tim

    I don’t believe that most people consider abortion to be the best form of birth control, but it is a necessary option that must not be taken away. The simple solution is that if you don’t want to have an abortion, don’t have one. Abortion is a very private matter between the woman and her doctor. I am always amazed by these fetus huggers who have so much love and compassion for embryos, but they don’t give a damn about the child after it is born.

    • Joyce from Loris

      I understand what you are saying, and I think it is horrible that we, as a nation, would need to have a conversation like this at all. I can’t imagine a woman wanting to murder her baby, but that is MY opinion. However, I take extreme offense to the fact that Planned Parenthood and medicaid is being given MY TAX DOLLARS, and then use them to murder a baby, and I have no choice in aiding and abetting. I think abortion is MURDER and wrong, period. Anyone else can think what they want. I do not want to pay for an abortion by someone else.

      • Robert Smith

        From the story: “many of these women demonstrate their choice by example, choosing to have the children and accept difficulties, according to the report.”

        And they should be respected for their choice, just as those who choose to abort should be respected.

        Isn’t America great where each woman can decide for herself. To grant less would be unAmerican.

        Rob

        • metalflyer11

          So it is perfectly fine for a woman to murder a baby. Yes it is her choice. The same happens when a person decides to pull the trigger on the other. It is a decision. How come the view is different in our society. Killing Unborn Baby is OK but not OK after being born.
          Also nobody has mentioned the father of the baby. It takes 2 to tango. Both have the same resposability to that child. What if the father wants his child but the mother does’t. Just because nature gives the amazing gift and resposability to the woman to bring a child into the world doesn’t give her the right to end it. The child is not a pimple you can remove.

          The man & the woman have a choice to have sex & how to conduct that sex. Even with protection we all know there are some risks. Can you abstain?

          Our society is so broken. We indirectly are taught that children are a problem & a drain to society so reducing them amounts to a better future.

        • http://naver samurai

          I wish you would stop lying Rob. We were not founded that way, so stop with the lies. Abortion is murder! Plain and simple. Enough said. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            Actually abortion is legal.

            Rob

        • ChristyK

          It isn’t a choice, it is a human life.

          If you don’t think it is a human life, then when does it become a human life. It doesn’t make sense to define it as a person after it has left the mother’s body, but not count it as a person 1 minute before. Some same it is a person when it is viable outside the mother. This doesn’t make sense either. It used to be most babies weren’t viable much before 8 months. Now, due to technology, we have babies born at 5 months who survive to live wonderful lives. Does technology change when life begins? No, of course not.

          Is it when the baby can think for itself? Was Gabrielle Giffords, not a human life when she was shot in the head? Of course she was. Is it a life when it looks like us, with arms & legs? A friend of a friend was a soldier in Iraq who was blown up. He lost both arms & both legs and was burnt. Does this make him no longer a human life? Of course not!

          If you read the definition of life in any Biology textbook, a one celled just fertilized egg is a life. What makes it valuable? That is the fact that it is human. What makes it human? It’s DNA. There is no logical way to call a human fetus, non-human or not a life.

          The inconvience argument doesn’t make sense either. Once a baby is born, you can’t kill the baby, no matter how inconvenient or how much the baby annoys you. Why does the baby’s location matter?

          I wish Pro-choice people would use a little logic. They would very quickly see the error of their opinions. I think in a decade or two, people will look back at our society in the same way we look back at people who had slaves, and say “How could anyone think that way? Obviously a fetus is a baby.”

          • http://naver samurai

            Great post, fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Jay

      Tim says: I am always amazed by these fetus huggers who have so much love and compassion for embryos, but they don’t give a damn about the child after it is born.

      Tim, that is a rather sweeping statement, don’t you think? But, if that be true, are you using your unsubstantiated assumption, all fetus huggers don’t give a damn about the child after its birth, as a way to justify abortion, thus sparing the un-born a loveless existence? I agree, that abortion is a personal choice between a woman and her doctor, being that abortion has been legalized, but to suggest that one who is pro-life, is only pro-life during the gestation period, and not afterwards, is illogical! I understand your defence for pro-choice with respect to abortion, but when you denigrate others who do not share your views on this issue, you only end up making a fool of yourself!

      • Robert Smith

        Jay claims: “but to suggest that one who is pro-life, is only pro-life during the gestation period, and not afterwards, is illogical!”

        Really? Then anyone who is pro-life should suppport universal health care. Remember, folks are duying because they didn’t get early or proper treatment.

        Rob

        • http://naver samurai

          Quit lying Rob. Health care and abortion are different. Abortion is not about the mother’s health, just about population control. Though Obama bin Laden Care funds abortions, which is illegal under the Hyde Amendment, which is one of many reasons it’ll be overturned. Stay on the subject. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • eddie47d

            It’s Barrack Obama whether you like him or not.

    • http://naver samurai

      Same old overused arguements. You all must be looking at the same left wing wacko sites. Abrotion is murder. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • eddie47d

        So if your comments are whacked out does that mean they came from a right wing site?

    • Ashley

      I agree with you Tim….Make it illegal to have abortions and then when the babys born piss on them!For me this isn’t as black or white as people try to make it sometimes.For me personally, I would never choose such a thing…However, when we think about what happens to these children who aren’t wanted but not aborted it’s almost like torture and killing them slowly in some cases…For example, being abused, starved, in some cases murdered by their parent(s), going in and out of the system, or aging out of it b/c they aren’t adopted…I mean in reality the list could go on and on.You’d have to think that bringing a child into that would also break your heart, but nope who cares!I also don’t get why they stay so firmly planted on making it illegal, seeing as though a majority would probably be on welfare, and again we all know how some people feel about helping others….

  • Karolyn

    Can you imagine how many people would be here if it were not for abortions and miscarriages? We would not all be supportable. How can anyone feel they can force a woman to have a child by her father or a rapist? That is what is afoot. Caine and Perry are cowtowing to the anti-abortionists. They could probably care less. This site is called “Personal Liberty.” Having complete dominion over one’s own body is personal liberty.

    • Jim

      You are absolutely drunk on the liberal koolaid!
      No one here said anything about forcing a woman to have a baby.
      I read more on the fact of preventing the pregnancy in the first
      place.

    • Joyce from Loris

      Well, if over population is the problem, then I have another suggestion. Why don’t we just kill some of the low life, useless people that we have on earth NOW? How about the people who are leaches and far too expensive for the rest of us to afford? Let’s kill them, and let some of these babies live, who may just grow up to be independent, not needing other people to work like a dog to feed them, house them, pay for their medical needs and their grants. Let’s just kill them and let some babies live, because I know a bunch of people who are absolutely USELESS to society. What’s the difference? Murder is murder.

      • Robert Smith

        From Joyce: “Why don’t we just kill some of the low life, useless people that we have on earth NOW?”

        How christian of you. I’ll bet Lott and Noah are in complete agreement with you since they were the ones your brutal god let live.

        Rob

        • http://naver samurai

          He also let you live, so what’s your point? If you think we are so bad, then move to Saudi Arabia. You’ll probably be welcomed there with the low opinion you have for women. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • home boy

      the solution is simple. don’t spread your leggs.

      • Rob Kent

        No bible freak the solution is to take a claw hammer to your cock.

        • http://naver samurai

          Troll alert! Troll alert! Your atheism is showing and neeeeeds to leave soon. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Robert Smith

        From home boy: “the solution is simple. don’t spread your leggs.”

        I’ll bet that’s what Sarah told Bristol and we all know how that worked out.

        I’ll bet the last unwed mother that was respected by christians was Mary. And she was raped by this older guy named god.

        Rob

        • http://naver samurai

          I’ll bet the same happened with your kids, ooops! Since you had your child murdered, you don’t have to worry about it. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Greg

      Not necessarily. If abortions had never been made legal, then maybey people would be more careful. They certainly were before abortions became legal. It’s out of hand and out of control. You can’t successfully legislate something that so many people abhor.

      • Robert Smith

        Fro Greg: “They certainly were before abortions became legal.”

        Abortion, like most drugs, was mostly legal throughout most of history throughout most of the world.

        There were many ways to abort throughout history. Google “Drawing down the blood” for several methods.

        Rob

      • http://jayjay Mary Vaughn

        There have always been abortions and I have been around since before the pill or Roe v. wade. Back then most husbands whose wife was raped through no fault of her own either left the wife if she became pregnan, or hated the child after it was born or he made her get an abortion. If you had a child out of wedlock that child’s birth certificate said bastard right on it. Girl’s were sent away so as not to be seen. Parents disowned their daughters and if she actually carried the baby in her own town she was branded a jezebel or harlot.

        • Robert Smith

          Unless their name was Mary and Joe came around to marry her even though Joe knew he wasn’t the father.

          What’s changed in christanity such that women are so reviled if they don’t get pregnant just so?

          Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            You two are idiots! How can you give all these so called reasons then turn around and say it is OK to murder a child. Remember that the child takes priority over the mother’s lifestyle. You 2 are in no way good Americans or Christians. Mary, the only thing I can tell you is that if you are going to play, you are going to pay. Take some responsibility and raise the child you helped to bring about. It’s the real adult way of doing things. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            Samurai says: “Mary, the only thing I can tell you is that if you are going to play, you are going to pay.”

            How dis Mary pay for Jesus?

            Ohhhh, I get it! She watched her son tortured to death so his father could make some sort of proclimation. How brutal.

            Rob

    • http://naver samurai

      Yes. America would have the workforce it needs and not rely on illegal aliens for work. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Miri

    Abortion is killing of a human baby and is WRONG. Whoever argues for it is on a slippery slope. The same reasoning can easily be used to justify euthanasia of the old, sick,and handicapped, who are a burden to society. And then we get one Hitler to decide who can live and who can’t. It is not true that the world is overpopulated. That is a fallacy. There is much more open land avaiable to support more people.
    And if we are more compassionate and sharing, there would not be a hanger in the world.

    • Tim

      We have over seven billion people in the world. Millions of them are starving because there are food shortages. Millions more are unable to get any kind of health care whatsoever. Yes, there is a lot of open land: it is called desert. I would think that anyone who cares about this situation would be directing their outrage at fertility clinics who work so hard to help people have litters of children. We really don’t need more people.

      • http://naver samurai

        Too moronic for an answer. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        P.S. You will fit in well when the NWO takes over.

      • ChristyK

        We would have a lot more food, if we weren’t trying to convert a bunch of it into fuel. The sad thing is that it takes more fuel to convert corn to ethanol than it does to just use the fuel. What a waste.

        • http://naver samurai

          Its called ethynol. I know what you mean. We have a good sized ethynol plant just to the west of Soth Bend, Indiana. If the wind blows from the west, you can smell the plant all across South Bend. It’s not a pleasant smell, either. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • eddie47d

      You are not correct that there is plenty of room for human survival. There may be a tipping point coming up soon (by 2050) where an over populated earth will eat up much of it’s resources. Some problems will be solved and new technology will make life better for some but for others those problems are already here. Drought and famine or even flooding are a reality for some countries. How many more people have to die because their access to open space is limited. They are forced to live in those drought areas or flood plains or move into large crowded cities. Lack of sanitation and the spread of disease kills thousands of children each year. Yet there are those in society who refuse to allow them to have contraceptives,vaccinations or access to abortions.They forced these people to accept their miserable conditions and then sit back and tell them all is good. Now if you want to cut down more rain forests for farmland or homes then be prepared for more CO2 in the air. Also more flooding (which kills people)and the greater chance of extinction of indigenous people and wildlife. There is room for debate on each side in what is important and what we can do to make life better for all or more miserably for others. Individual responsibility means you allow people to make their own choices and not banning them from doing what is right for their family.

    • Robert Smith

      Miri says: ” Whoever argues for it is on a slippery slope.”

      Really? Abortion has been legal for many years. MOF, it was legal for thousands of years before it became illegal early in the 20th centuery.

      Can you show us the “slippery slope” we are on? I don’t see any ovens in America.

      Rob

      • http://naver samurai

        Care to cite a source that shows it was legal for thousands of years? Or is this just another lie? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Robert Smith

          “The earliest known description of abortion comes from the Ebers Papyrus (ca. 1550 BCE), an ancient Egyptian medical text drawn, ostensibly, from records dating as far back as the third millennium BCE.”

          That’s from: http://civilliberty.about.com/od/abortion/f/When-Did-Abortion-Begin.htm

          BTW, abortion isn’t in the christian bible. Apparently the writers of that work didn’t consider it important.

          Rob

        • Ashley

          Its been around forever whether it was illegal, legal whatever…Just b/c it wasn’t talked about, cited anywhere, whatever to say that it hasn’t been is to assume….And we all know what assuming does…..

  • DavidL

    Abortion has been occurring for thousands of years, and it is a very serious and difficult decision for women. Making it illegal is not going to prevent women from having them when they believe necessary. If made illegal, once again women will resort to the back alley mills where there they either die or have their reproductive organs mauled.

    Abortion is the classic ethical dilemma where right confronts right. The daughter of Barry Goldwater (no liberal that) supported his daughter’s decision to have an abortion, and believed that it was none of the government’s business.

    Women have a right to total autonomy which includes the power to decide either to have a child or not have a child. It is their life, their health, their body, and their choice. And therefore, none of our business except to ensure that the procedure is available, legal, and safe.

    • Joyce from Loris

      If a woman wants to kill herself in some back alley, fine, let her have at it. But you talk about rights to make decisions, etc. Do you not think that a helpless little baby has some rights? Should someone not stand up for the speechless little baby that is “here” due to no actions of it’s own? And don’t be giving me the “fetus” talk either. We all know that a baby has a heart beat after 6 weeks of conception, when most women even learn they are pregnant. I have seen videos of late term abortions. Everyone should see that! You would never think of abortion the same way again. You could see the absolute shock and pain on the baby’s face. Horrible. Even dogs and cats are just “put to sleep”, but the babies are literally torn apart and sucked out of the womb in pieces. We respect our domestic animals more than our little babies.

      • Robert Smith

        Joyce posted: “If a woman wants to kill herself in some back alley, fine, let her have at it.”

        How christian of you Joyce.

        Rob

        • Joyce from Loris

          Rob, when talking with liberals, you can’t bring God into it, they can’t relate to God’s wishes. If so, there would be no discussion of abortion. I see no difference in allowing a woman to kill herself than allow her to kill an innocent little baby.

          • Rob Kent

            Joyce, when talking with intelligent people dont bring god into it. How can we have a rationale argument with people who’s main point of reference is a bronze age fairy story? The invisible sky fairy you have used as a surrogate for actually thinking and taking responsibility for your moral choices does not relate to my life any more than Santa Cluas, The tooth fairy or Zeus. If you dont approve of abortion fine dont justify your lack of approval by saying a fairy told you to. If you actually believe that “god” talks to you personally I would advise you that invisible beings talking in your head is very serious and you should seek treatment

        • http://naver samurai

          David L, Rob Smith, and Rob Kent are all atheists and not believers in the wellness of mankind, so just ignore them. MOF I have some questions for them.

          1. What proof and evidence can you provide that shows atheism to be accurate and correct?

          Since Rob Smith and Rob Kent want to show their ignorance through their atheism, hate, depression, and feelings of guilt (Rob Smith), there is no way can they ever know the truth. Here is the next question.

          2. Since you imbaciles always want to say bad things about God and Christians, what if an atheist and Bhuddists said the same thing we are telling you?

          My in laws in Korea are atheist and Bhuddists and they don’t believe in abortion either, so what’s your point? Neeeeed to be making that popping sound, all of you. Since Kent wants to show how moronic he can be, tell me how your science can explain this. It cannot explain behavior.

          3. Why do you imbaciles always look to science? A field of study where 90% of everything made or discovered was by Christians, but cannot be used in this debate due to it only covering the physical realm?

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEiLOXIHuCk&feature=related

          4. How can you say you can’t have an intelligent conversation when the subject of God may come up? I haven’t heard any of you make an intelligent conversation yet.

          You 3 always talk like people from a lib posting site, full of old wives tales, tales about the past, lies, rhetoric, and innuendo. You 3 are disgraces to America. Since one of you was talking about overpopulation, which is not on subject, why don’t we just take people, like you 3, and throw you all into the middle of the ocean. Then this would not only solve our overpopulation problem, but clean up this planet at the same time. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            samurai your entire premice is false.

            I have NEVER said I am an atheist.

            What I have said is that I don’t believe or follow your brutal version of a christian god you are so slaveshly touting.

            That does not make me an atheist. It simply means I don’t follow your brutal god.

            Rob

      • davidL

        Joyce,
        I respect your feelings here. That is why abortion is a very difficult ethical dilemma and never an easy decision for a woman. What is the practical effect of the alternative? It is that women will have abortions anyway and, in addition to the fetus being killed, perhaps the mother suffers irreparable damage to her body, or worse, she dies herself. What then happens to the rest of her family?

        The very difficult calculation that I make is that we either abort “cells”, or wait until later when both may be lost.

        I don’t envy any woman in this situation. But I, and an overwhelming majority of citizens of our country, respect women and support her right to make that decision for herself and her family.

        Abortion should be available, safe, and legal. It may not be perfect from some perspectives, but Roe v. Wade established that standard.

        • http://naver samurai

          Too bad it is not protected under the Constitution. Ergo, it may be legal, but it is not a right. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            Actually abortion IS protected by the Bill of Rights.

            Look at the ninth amendment that declares that the listing of individual rights in the Constitution and Bill of Rights is not meant to be comprehensive; and that the other rights not specifically mentioned are retained by the people.

            Oh, that’s right, you don’t acknowledge “We the PEOPLE…” Oh well, we Americans understand.

            Rob

    • Jay

      Virtually every study on this subject has concluded that deaths and injuries due to illegal abortion have been wildly exaggerated and that the vast majority of illegal abortions were done by licensed doctors who were simply breaking the law.

      Not only are abortion apologists lying when they say that thousands of women used to die every year from back-alley, coat-hanger abortions, but their own research proves it.

      Figures released in 1986 by the Alan Guttmacher Institute (the research arm of Planned Parenthood) show that in the 15 years prior to the legalization of abortion, the average number of women dying from illegal abortion in the entire United States was 136 per year and dropping.

      Obviously, it is a tragedy when even one young woman loses her life in this way. However, there is a way to protect women against illegal abortions without butchering millions of defenseless children.

      The first thing to keep in mind is that pro-lifers don’t do abortions. If abortion were outlawed today and illegal abortionists started springing up next week, every one of them would be someone who is pro-choice. In fact, every woman who was ever killed or maimed during an abortion – whether it was legal or illegal – was killed or maimed by someone who was pro-choice. In other words, when the abortion lobby says, “If abortion is made illegal, women will die,” what they’re actually saying is, “If you stop us from killing babies, we’re going to start killing women.”

      So clearly, the solution to the back-alley abortion problem is for the pro-choice gang to agree not to do them. They could also help us pass legislation requiring that, (a) people who commit illegal abortions are to be prosecuted under the same homicide statutes that apply to any other hired killer and, (b) anyone who coerces a woman to have an illegal abortion, or helps to arrange an illegal abortion, is to be charged as an accessory to homicide.

      Of course, these people are never going to agree to this because they never cared about this issue to begin with. They simply wanted to make it look like we are responsible for the pregnant women they are threatening to kill. The fact is, every time one of these radical pro-choice fanatics screams about dirty coat-hangers and back-alley abortions, the blood is on their hands – not ours.

      Also, if the motivation for legalized abortion really is to save the lives of women, why don’t we legalize rape? After all, it is not uncommon for a woman to be killed by a rapist to keep her from identifying him to the authorities. Legalizing rape would save those women by taking away that motivation. We could also set up rape clinics where rapists could take their victims. These centers could offer clean rooms, condom machines, emergency contraception, and perhaps even doctors on staff in case the rapist injures his victim. We could even issue licenses to rapists requiring them to undergo routine testing for AIDS and other sexually transmitted diseases.

      Remember, the pro-choice argument is that women are going to have abortions regardless of what the law says, and that keeping abortion legal will make sure they occur in a clean and safe environment. Those dynamics also apply to rape. Keeping rape illegal has not prevented women from being raped, so why not at least try to prevent back-alley rapes? As ridiculous as this suggestion is, if the goal is saving women’s lives, it makes as much sense as legalized abortion.

      http://www.deathroe.com/Pro-life_Answers/Answers.cfm?ID=40

      • Randy C

        I like your arguement, although People that think it is a “choice” will never see their hypocracy. Everyone should watch a 33 minute movie @
        http://www.180movie.com
        It really gets to me that people who think it is perfectly OK to murder an innocent baby/fetus also think it is terrible to legally put to death a murderer (Capital Punishment) who really deserves it.

      • Robert Smith

        How christian of you and Randy.

        Legalize rape to violate a BORN woman.

        But then… That’s pretty much what the church did for its priests and the little boys they raped.

        Rob

      • http://jayjay Mary Vaughn

        How could anyone compare rape with abortion? You must be a man. Rape is not something that women choose so even if you legalize it, it would still make it wrong to assault someone without permission. So if there is permission then there cannot be rape. Your argument makes no sense.

        • Jay

          Mary, you totally missed the point. That’s ok, shhh, go back to sleep…

        • http://naver samurai

          He’s not saying thos things, though I do agree with you about rape being a bad thing. It is a crime of domination, control, and violence. No more such thing as “she deserved it” or “she had it coming” etc. You are right about that, but when it comes to abortion it is still murder. They are in it for the money. Yes, you can make millions of dollars off the abortion business (Like unplanned parenthood and Dr. Tiller (A modern day Dr. Mengele)). Look at this site and you tell me if abortions are safe and needed and get back with me.

          http://www.onenewsnow.com/Legal?Default.aspx?id=1466808

          Looks like you all lose again. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • ChristyK

          It is also wrong to kill a baby/fetus without their permission. I would argue that killing a baby IS worse than rape. At least you have a chance of recovering from rape. Nobody recovers from death.

          • http://naver samurai

            Well said and true. Keep up the good fight, fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

      DavidL
      What is wrong talking people out of abortion?
      The miracle of fetal development.

      This page from SPUC describes the stages of human development from conception to birth, including information on: fertilisation, heredity and gender, …
      http://www.spuc.org.uk/education/abortion/human-development

      • DavidL

        Coal Miner,
        There is nothing wrong with attempting to talk a woman out of having an abortion. The only people to engage in that activity should be her husband, if she has one, her doctor, and her family WHEN ASKED BY THE WOMAN. If she doesn’t ask and invite your view, then it’s none of your business and you should stay out of it.

        • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

          DavidL
          Are you so stupid that you didn’t get what I am saying?I am for woman’s night to choose. BDavidLut some woman when they had the abortion, regret it later.About twenty years ago I talk a seventeen old girl out of having abortion perform on her.She agreed,on the condition that the baby would be adopted to a loving childless couple.Also she can visit and bond with the child as the biological mother. They agreed.The child graduated from high school with honors.She is training to be a state police person and hopefully maybe one day be promoted to a position as a state police detective.Now if you got any more silly insults,let me know.I will be glad to address them

          • Jay

            I totally got what you were saying cm. Btw, awesome story!!!

          • http://naver samurai

            Good job Coal Miner. I can actually agree with you on this one. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • http://naver samurai

            I don’t agree with your stand on abortion though. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • eddie47d

    Abortion is a very personal choice for any women and her partner. That choice falls mainly on the women but the man should also have a say in the matter. There should always be safe and legal ways for that couple to make that decision.No women should make this decision lightly yet it is hers and her partners to make. Unless it was rape or incest then the abortion should be her choice. The choice for counseling should also be there to help her find the right solution for her own life but not mandated. With the earth’s population reaching 7 billion last week it is even more imperative that women can speak for themselves in how large a family they want or not to have a family at all. That is the important decision for each side of the issue.

    • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

      eddie47d
      While I am pro-choice,I will try to talk the woman or girl out of performing the abortion.There is no cut and dry answer to this one.

      The Right To Choose: A Fundamental Liberty. The Bill of Rights of the United States Constitution guarantees individuals the right to personal autonomy, which …
      http://www.aclufl.org/take_action/download_resources/info_papers/15.cfm

  • Nick

    Why don’t they develop better birth control? If people don’t want babies why not get their tubes tied or vesectomy? Why do they play these games with babies lives? Hearing pro choice for the first essentually means nothing it just sounds good. Also its not true that the unborn child is just a lump of flesh. Also its not true that it is a womans body and she can do what she wants with it. Once your pregnant its two bodies. A lot of women who have abortions want to have children but it has to be planned. Why does the abortion lobby donate millions of dollars to politicians and bureaucrats? For humane reasons? If abortion was going to solve the population problem then with all the abortions world wide it would have certainly been solved by now. I think this barbaric act will probably continue until humans are no longer on this earth and it will probably contribute to our demise. Why didn’t they educate me about abortion is school if it is so right. What kind of world is it going to be where everyone is “planned” and there is no love for your brother or sister. One women said well “She wanted a abortion because “it” was going to be a libra not a gemini” I’m tired of the people in charge of the abortion industry trying to deceive us. Alot of people are for abortion just as long as it didn’t happen to them.

    • Robert Smith

      Nick says: “Alot of people are for abortion just as long as it didn’t happen to them.”

      A lot of people are for hell, just as long as it didn’t happen to them.

      And! Not believing in the “hell” of that there brutal christian god often cited around here I’m certain that I’m not impacted by it in any way. IOW, you can’t threaten me with it. It’s part of your religion, not mine.

      Rob

      • http://naver samurai

        Another moronic response by a brain dead individual. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • CP

    Take a good look at the proposed new law in Mississippi. Not only will all abortions be illegal, regardless of the reason, but so will any birth control that might interfere with a fertilized egg’s implanting itself. Included in the illegal abortions are ectopic pregnancies, where both the mother and the child are at extreme risk of death before the pregnancy runs its term. I personally don’t like the idea of an abortion, but I have seen the time myself when my wife and I were seriously considering it. When you get pregnancy tests back alternating between pregnant and not, and you are pushing seven months along, even the doctor will begin to wonder. It turned out that a lab tech had been running her urine in instead of my wife’s just to make sure she wasn’t pregnant. but that was no help to us at the time.

  • James

    I have stated this before, but it seems to have no effect. When the Supreme Court (in Row v. Wade) held that expectant women have the right to abort their fetus, they did not consider whether that was right or wrong. They are not governed by what the most people think about an issue. They are controlled by law, and in this case the U.S. Constitution. First, Article III, Section 2 limits the judicial power of federal courts to the cases thereafter listed, and two of those were removed by the Eleventh Amendment. When individuals are parties in a case, they must be “citizens” of the United States.
    An example of that requirement is Dred Scott v. Sandford (1856), where the Court dismissed the case for lack of jurisdiction – Dred Scott, the slave, was not a citizen. Even today that case is used as an example of how racist and inhumane the decision was, when in fact the Court was upholding the Constitution. (For what it’s worth, the Roe v. Wade case was also outside federal court jurisdiction, because both parties were citizens of the same state.)
    But the reason Abortion was therein held constitutional, was because the Fourteenth Amendment, Section 1 reads: “All persons born…in the United States…are citizens of the United States.” Thus, since only those born in the United States are ‘citizens’ and since only citizens have rights that are protected by law, a fetus has no protection under the law. The Court was upholding the supreme law of the land, and until the Fourteenth Amendment is reworded, women have the right, under the “liberty” clause of that amendment to abort their babies. The Court goes by the law, not what is moral.

    • home boy

      that’s because the court follows it’s own laws . what about god’s laws. thou shall not kill. courts ignore gods laws because they think they know whats right. they don’t. conception is birth in gods eye’s. these women will one day pay for their choices.

      • Steve T.

        Who are you to speak for GOD? gird up thy loins like a man, and you shall answer me

        Will every person who picks up a gun, points and pulls the trigger, on the street, in a store, or in the service of the military, then, answer for their crime?
        Who told these women that abortion was an option? If as parent you taught your children a little self respect, informed them there are always consequences to any actions and if you mandated that sex is not a sport , who would be in need of such an option?
        If the nature of the fetus is such that it endangers the life of the mother are you going to say to her, “there are no options, ‘you must die’?
        If the women who claims such an option is guilty of a crime, then is the man who infected her with his seed, not just as guilty?
        Does not the courts follow the laws of the people? Are you not a people?
        Is every seed that flows and every egg that ripens HOLY?

        IS GOD INTERESTED IN RIGHT AND WRONG AND IF SO WHY THEN DID IT CREATE BOTH GOOD AND EVIL?

        OR ARE ALL THESE JUST THE PETTY QUESTIONS OF SUPERSTITIOUS MINDS?

        And for Daniel “below” WHAT? “…. loudly ignored the rights of the women that wanted to keep their child but lost it due to violence….” WHAT? It is sounds like, what is “a right” which someone doesn’t agree with is therefore “wrong” . So that say, with regards to the right of free speech, where some practise it and some do not, then, those that don’t practise free speech condemn those who do as as wrong.
        How is it any business of one person , how or why they practise their particular right? Even though i believe abortion to be topic for both sexes, i particularly ask, where does one woman who happens not to agree with abortion get the balls to question another woman’s right.

        But as for the daniel’s comment about convenience, he is bang on. Abortion was never intended to be used as birth control, and those so called doctors that use it that way should have their licences revoked.
        But then those parents who let their children get in trouble, should have their licences in parenting revoked. Another issue daniel raises is the “shuffling of children to orphanages” .
        IF we are such a god fearing nation, how the hell did the concept of an orphanage ever see the light of day? Oh yea , another relic of the past, that should have been left in the OLD WORLD, but which conveniently , for a while anyway, was a great supply of child labour for the FREE MARKET system.
        GODLESS HYPOCRITES!

        • http://naver samurai

          Same old lib, gay loving, baby killing, marxist lies, rhetoric, and innuendo. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Robert Smith

        home boy asks: “what about god’s laws.”

        What about ‘em?

        I don’t believe in your brutal christian god who killed in the flood and only spared Noah and his family, who killed a couple of cities, and who watched his own son tortured.

        No thanks. Tough to beleive is something so brutal.

        Rob

        • http://naver samurai

          Kind of like having your own child aborted, eh Rob? Since when did you get the right to play God dealing with that little one’s life? Neeeeed to be making that popping sound. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • http://jayjay Mary Vaughn

        Do you apply that thou shalt not kill to the unfortunate children in other countries that we bomb. Those little children were not shooting at us. I never hear about anyone protesting the killing of these innocent children. Did God make an exception to the rule because they were not Americans?

        • http://naver samurai

          Darned Jane Fonda wanna be. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • James

        Home boy, the Supreme Court goes by the U.S. Constitution. Their oath of office requires it, you are ignoring pertinent legal facts.

  • daniel

    I liked this article because it brings to the front the face of abortion besides the unborn child. I am a Christian and do firmly believe that abortion is wrong. It has nothing to do with life and everything to do with death.
    For too long the liberal position has been one-sided. It voiced the opinion of those women that say they wanted abortion but loudly ignored the rights of the women that wanted to keep their child but lost it due to violence. These women were totally ignored by women’s rights organizations as well as legislatively. In my opinion that smacks of hypocrisy of the highest order. If you are for an issue such as women’s rights then listen to all the women. If an agenda is more important than an answer then the agenda is wrong.
    Yes, the right has a responsibility on this as well. Support the children and the children that have children. It has been done before and is being done today. It is inconvenient as all get out but very rewarding.
    As a matter of fact does this whole situation come down to convenience? After all isn’t a trip to the doctor office less time consuming than raising a child? Isn’t shuffling off children to “orphanages” more convenient raising them?
    I would bring up the money made by abortion mills etc. but we can fight that out later. The point is that the women that were ignored are finally getting a voice and that is great.

    • Robert Smith

      From daniel: “In my opinion that smacks of hypocrisy of the highest order.”

      So you want a higher penalty for a crime YOU believe is worse than something without including your belief (it’s a baby).

      So, do you support legislation that makes hate crimes against gays more severe? How ’bout the elderly?

      Believe it all, or by a hipocrit.

      Rob

    • http://naver samurai

      Great post there Daniel. Keep them coming and just ignore Rob. He’s nothing more than a high priced troll. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Vern Holford

    You all need to see this — 180 Movie –;
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7y2KsU_dhwI

    • Steve T.

      i saw it …. its propaganda, its really pretty good mental gymnastics but pure fallacy ,

      appeal to authority… the guy said he was a Jew, but that doesn’t make him an authority on the Holocaust
      and he ever said he was a doctor or a lawyer but pretends to know the ‘what’ , ‘ when’ and ‘how’ of abortion
      but only discusses one point of view.

      begging the question…. his assumption is that abortion is murder which by the end of the video he gets
      some of the participants to agree is a conclusion …whereas if abortion is murder why is it legal.

      He actually could have gone the other way and said abortion is good, that is, if the abortion of Hitler had have happened, then the Holocaust could have been aborted. Which is also nonsense.

      What this video clearly points out is that the average American is about as intelligent as a bag of hammers, which since there were not a significant number of average Americans used is also not true.

      But it does point out the use of treachery in thinking and how easy it is to trick a simple mind.

      • http://naver samurai

        Too many lies, innuendo, and rhetoric to try to answer. My wife and I saw the movie Vern. Great movie and shows what abortion is really about. Keep up the good fight! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        P.S. BTW, how is it a right Steve? It is not mentioned in our Constitution. Need to be making that popping sound.

        • Steve T.

          samurai
          i don’t think you should be reading this material and responding to it. It appears you are a very troubled individual. By your name calling and malicious innuendo it appears you are greatly troubled by the way this world operates. It doesn’t always fall in line with your so called Christian belief structure and that appears to make you very frustrated and angry. If you go back to your Christian teachings i believe you will find that the way you approach things isn’t very Christian. Also your understanding of GOD, if you are basing it on the King James Translation of the Bible, is, ( to put it bluntly) way the hell in left field.
          I think you should spend some time in the closet with the “good book”, and not try and pretend you understand the more complex issue in this world.
          You might consider brushing up on science and the origin of the species,
          and you could use a little help with your spelling ( “ethanol” is the correct spelling, at least that’s how the scientists spell it, its “ethyl alcohol” . That which you are referring to “ethynol” is a “tautomer of ethenone” which i am pretty sure you don’t have a *%#%$$ clue what the sam hell that is..) (also i believe its SOUTH , not SOTH)

          but you have a good day now.

          Oh and by the way since you have access to the internet, and you seem to believe some of the stuff up there on YOUTUBE ,you might “whanna” look up JESUS , just for fun. Turns out there is a pretty good chance that what you call JESUS, was in fact a MUSHROOM….. a psychedelic mushroom.

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nU8lKlWOdxQ&feature=related

          and if you like the musical version

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtiMw0-akAM

          And that would make just about all that other stuff you preach, just a huge load of hog wash…..

          So my advice do some of your own research before you commit some of your thoughts to paper….

          • Steve T.

            DO you understand the right “to remain silent”, its not in the constitution but it is a “right” in law that flows from the constitution. The right for a woman to have an abortion is no less a “right” other than, it only applies to women. But there is also a right to “free speech”, which i’m sure you will exercise. Its only sad that when they crafted that right they didn’t amend it to say “you a have the right to FREE INTELLIGENT SPEECH” rather any “sack of hammers can get up and spew”

  • AkTom

    It amazes me that the same people that are “pro-choice” are also anti capital punishment. They think it’s OK to murder innocent unborn children and let the worst human criminals live out their lives. Liberalism is a mental disorder.

    • Rob Kent

      Likewise it amazes me that Pro-Life people think state killing even on poor evidence wonderful (I think that if they ould to take their children to see it they would), they dont care if Dr’s are murdered they actively policies that result in thousands of children dying due to poverty and they scream about any changes to lax gun controls that would result in thousands of children not dying or being injured. Right wing Nazi hypocrites if it involved a mind it would be a mental disorder

      • http://naver samurai

        Your atheism is showing again and that is a mental disorder. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Rob Kent

          You keep shoiuting For God & country so I need some clarity given that you call yourself samurai I can safetly assume you are from japan however God are you refering to are so many out there in the world of the primitive mins?

        • John Lilleburns ghost

          You keep shoiuting For God & country so I need some clarity given that you call yourself samurai I can safetly assume you are from japan however God are you refering to are so many out there in the world of the primitive mind?

    • Robert Smith

      From Ak: “It amazes me that the same people that are “pro-choice” are also anti capital punishment.”

      I’m pro-choice and I’m also pro capital punishment.

      It works this way. A person is legally allowed to defend themselves in most circumstances. If the amount of the threat is sufficient lethal force is allowed.

      If an individual is a threat to society and society decides (through due process) that little or nothing can be done to mitigate that threat from that individual (IOW they are gonna do it again) then I see death for them as a solution. It’s that simple.

      What amazes me is that pedophiles have a very high recividism rate. Why are they ever let go?

      Rob

      • s c

        rs, here’s your chance to prove that knowledge isn’t just another utopian word that gets defined and re-defined when it’s ‘comfy.’ You asked why pedophiles have such a high recidivism rate. Check and see WHO gets them OUT of prison.
        Your utopian chums are always looking for another group that “needs” rights. One of those groups is known as NAMBLA. It is a disgusting group of subhumans who would be great targets on any rifle range.
        NAMBLA approached Bubba Clinton, and wanted him to give NAMBLA his ‘blessing.’ He balked. It was one of the better moves he ever made in the W H.
        LEARN what NAMBLA is and what they want. Then, you’ll have a good idea as to WHY pedophiles have a revolving door lifestyle, when it comes to being behind bars – and being social pariahs.
        My question to YOU is whether or not you give a damn, and if you have what it takes to know MORE about pedophiles AND eugenics. You don’t seem to know much about eugenics at the moment.

        • http://naver samurai

          Good post, fellow patriot! There is just the problem of Rob caring. He cares nothing of right or wrong, let alons his fellow man. He only cares about himself and his very little world he lives in. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Robert Smith

          s c is concerned about NAMBLA.

          Among its founders was a catholic priest from Springfield, MA. Look up Richard R. Lavigne. He was actually convicted.

          And then there is Rev. Paul Shanley from Boston. He was there at the beginning too.

          Looks like lots of “christians” were there at the beginning of that vile organization.

          Rob

  • Renie

    In my opinion, the rising anti-abortion movement is due to the fact that the old arguments *for* abortion are falling in the face of science (DNA, fetal surgery, etc.), and how calling the “fetus” a “mass of tissue” is truly inaccurate. The science (detached and impartial) is saying that the embryo is a human from the moment of conception, not emotional rhetoric.

    • Steve T.

      There may have been a time when science could be thought of as “detached and impartial”, about the same time when one could reasonably assume a person who practised medicine worked on the oath to do no harm.
      But alas both of those disciplines have strayed so far from these glorious goals, as to be unrecognizable.
      Given the right amount of money, in this day and age, you can buy any result your little perverted heart desires, in the sciences or medicine. “To be human” is not justification for saying abortion is wrong or else one could propose the concept that any form of surgery other than to save ones life, is unethical, illegal and inhuman. You can say that science on one hand says, the result of conception is “homo sapien” but that still doesn’t prove there are no reasons to interrupt, annihilate, asphyxiate, dispatch, do away with, remove it, eradicate it , any where along its path to becoming human, otherwise as an extension, war in any form would be also a crime, as well as poverty, social injustice, forced labor via the class system.
      I have never read any literature that calls a fetus a “mass of tissue” apart from the concept that at the early stages an embryo is a mass “of undifferentiated cells which doesn’t last very long, before it becomes more complex.
      “Human at the moment of conception” is like saying “set of drawings is a house”. ( If only the government could tax on the “planned building, cars etc” they could come up with a new income stream.
      Oops shouldn’t give them anymore bad ideas) As for abortion, if you don’t agree, don’t have one, don’t use it as contraception, don’t use it as a backup, teach your children how to respect each other and how to respect sex. (that means a change in the perverted mentality of “parenting on the run”, “giving them whatever they squawk for”, pretending that material wealth somehow makes up for inadequate parenting” and oh yea limiting access to the world of ADULTS, through TV, internet and social media)
      Nothing kills self abuse like a healthy dose of self respect!

      ps if abortion is a form of “human murder” isn’t tattooing, body piercing and plastic surgery also forms of murdering humanity? ( if GOD wanted you to have a big nose, shouldn’t you just accept that)

      • http://naver samurai

        You sound like Robert Smith in many ways. Maybe you 2 are bunk buddies on some of the liberal sites? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

    Abortion?

    I have to take a neutral corner on this one.
    266 days is the average gestation period for humans from conception to birth. Note: This gives a date that has a tolerance of plus or minus 3 days. Go to the …
    http://www.paternityangel.com/Articles_zone/How_it_happens/How-6.htm

  • Buck

    Women are learning of the lies of the feminazi and realizing abortion is murder . I can only hope and pray that the nations judges wake up to the separation of church and state scam initiated by the ACLU and the athiest organizations . Of course this won’t happen quickly as there are many really stupid people on those benches . Thanks to the progressives we have suffered in office .

    • http://naver samurai

      Do not forget that lady roe, after all this crap was done, realized the mistake she made. After going through depression, she became the biggest pro-life supporter in her home state of Mississippi and then across the South. Lets’ remember what she stood for and also get this country back to the ways it was founded on Christian principles. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Robert Smith

        Awwww samurai, going to use that nineth grade dropout Ms. McCorvey as an example? She lived a lesbian lifestyle for many years.

        Almost immediately after Flib B. hissself “baptised” her she was arrested in a parking lot for assault.

        A fine example of christanity that sad woman is.

        Rob

        • nancy

          robert ; How did yu ‘ lern ‘ to spael ‘; so pro-fish-unt-ly and we are to be-leev ‘ that yu’ have any idea, what you’re talking about.

          Did you make it all the way through the nineth ‘ graade ?

  • Prosperity

    This is really simple:
    A fertile woman who spreads her legs for a fertile man without protection has MADE A CHOICE. Abortion is just a chance to change her mind. A woman raped still has a choice to make.

  • http://geisnotadetgerminingfactor. Carl G.Oehling

    LOL! I have been reading for about an hour. The women who have sued for child support have proved in effect the man is a father, and she a mother as determined by the DNA, from conception. That ha All farmers know “Like breeds like” so the baby is a human from conception. All atheists know life is a continuum because they need an alien life form. All Christians know life is a continuum because God, who has life as an innate part of Himself, gave Adam life. All States have laws against premeditated murder. Age is not a determining factor. LOL
    Most of these replies are irrelevant to the scientific, legal and literacy facts in my opinion.

  • guest on this planet

    Tell the welfare queens to keep their ankles crossed

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