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July 16, 2012 by  

Answers!
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We have a great many loyal readers on this site. You have made us the No. 9 Libertarian site on the Web.

Some few of our readers have been here from the beginning in fall of 2008. Still others have followed my writings even longer, having come from my monthly printed newsletter, The Bob Livingston Letter (subscription required).

A great many readers come for a time and then disappear. We always hate it when they leave. But since our subscriber base continues to grow, that means new people are coming on board every day. Some of them join us expecting, it seems, to see content reflecting a “Republican” bias. But after reading a thing or two they are surprised and sometimes frightened or angered by what they see. This is reflected in some of the comments.

Today’s column is written to explain our philosophy for those who are just coming on board, those who still don’t understand, those enslaved by the false right/left paradigm and those who grapple with where our philosophy fits in the grand scheme.

Here are answers to the most common questions we get.

Who is Bob Livingston? I am a Christian American patriot. In the 1960s, I became alarmed at the direction our Nation was headed. I became frustrated with the lies, deceit, misinformation and deliberate disinformation being spread as “truth” by the government, the manipulated media and the controlling elite. I believed the lies needed be exposed, so I began to seek an outlet to do that. In 1969, I began publishing my subscription newsletter, The Bob Livingston Letter™. My goal is to find the truth and spread it far and wide. My favorite subjects are alternative health issues, privacy, wealth protection, the preservation of freedom and the history of man.

Do you consider yourself a Republican, Democrat or Libertarian? I belong to no political party. I am beholden to none. I consider myself an ultra-conservative and a Constitutionalist. Some read what I write and call me a conservative, some a liberal, some a libertarian. Those labels are meaningless in their current sense, as their meanings have been corrupted by the mainstream media and the political parties.

But what about party politics? There is no discernible difference between the two major parties. Both promote big government over the individual. We can use history as our guide. Candidates from both parties constantly run on promises of “change.” But the only change we see is a rearranging of which special interest gets the best seat at the table. Regardless of the party in charge, government grows and liberty is lost. The two major parties control the process and will never allow another party to invade their turf.

What do you mean when you say American government is not a democracy? The American government is not a democracy as most believe, even though government schools have for years taught that the United States is a democracy. We have a representative democracy in name only. What we have are manipulated Representatives and Senators. They are owned by big business and socialist government bureaucrats. In truth, we have fascism, i.e., the alliance of big government and big business. The two-party system is, in truth, one party that represents only government.

Why are you always encouraging people to buy gold and silver? The policies of the Federal Reserve and criminal Congress and the perpetual wars are leading us pell-mell toward economic collapse. We are on the same path as Weimar Germany in the 1920s. During that period, currency was worthless. People were papering their walls with 1 million mark notes. A loaf of bread cost 100,000 million marks. Mothers had to prostitute themselves to feed their children. But those who had gold and silver in their possession were still able to purchase bread and meat. The Fed is now buying debt with debt. The “official” inflation numbers are a scam, as anyone who is buying food knows. When our currency collapses, banks will close and our dollars will be worthless. But some will be buying bread for a dime — a silver, pre-1964 dime. Those who hold gold and silver will retain their wealth. Gold and silver are permanent money. Those who hold fiat dollars will be destitute.

Are you paid by the gold sellers to push gold? No.

Why are you so critical of American foreign policy? Because I understand the true nature and goals of the elites. They create pretense for wars for their benefit. The people who caused the great World War I, World War II and all wars, thus causing the deaths and suffering of millions of people, were none other than central bankers in other countries and the U.S. Federal Reserve Bank. Central banks create paper money and credit for government and politicians to spend for war and a broad socialist agenda. All the money and credit that was/is the source of crushing debt on the American people was created by the U.S. central bank. Banker-created money is the blood of war, as well as the impoverishment of the people. The discipline of the gold standard would have prevented all the wars of the past 100 years. Millions of dead soldiers died for nothing, along with millions of civilians. History books do not record this.

Who are these “elites” you write about? The ruling elite is a small number of families who have ruled the world for 1,000 years. They are neither Christians nor benevolent rulers. They are merciless and Malthusian despots who demand blood sacrifice from the deceived humanity. They use psychopathic bureaucrats and politicians to carry out their deception and systematic oppression. They are godless and the only loyalty they have is to the secret orders (Skull and Bones) of ancient handshakes and symbols of the all-seeing eye of “providence” and “The New Order of the Ages.”

Why are you against vaccines and write so much about alternative medicine? They slay us with semantics. It’s not by any definition “healthcare” in the United States. It’s sickness care. If you are not sick when you go to the medical system, you certainly will be soon. The U.S. medical system is a killing machine, and not too disguised. More and more people are waking up to this fact. You know, we could bypass a lot of misinformation in the mystery of health if we could go back to the fork in the road that split off between Antoine Bechamp (1816-1908) and Louis Pasteur (1822-1895).

Pasteur created fertile ground for the hoax of modern medicine that we have today. Charlatans and sociopaths saw the vast empire of wealth that could be created on the theories of Pasteur. Hence we have the multitrillion-dollar synthetic chemical pharmaceutical colossus that has medically imprisoned the whole planet. We are sicker than ever and everybody knows this, but ignorance keeps us sick and keeps making trillions of dollars for the pharmaceutical conspiracy.

Another thing, the government and the political order are in bed with the pharmaceutical companies. You don’t hear politicians exposing this madness that is crushing the American people economically and killing millions of people yearly. Talk about murder incorporated and population control all in the same bucket! And guess who pays the bill? Obamacare says it all.

How much more can these psychopaths put on the backs of the people? As the Nation collapses, the American people are stabbed in the heart, yet again. OK, for you readers who are alert, here it is: Pasteur said that disease comes at us from the outside of the body. You know, the “germ theory of disease.” This is a world-class multitrillion-dollar hoax that has literally captured the mind of the population. Everybody knows that we “catch a cold” and catch disease, so it’s the environment external to the body. Well, what about all the people who don’t “catch a cold?”

Antoine Bechamp, whom nobody knows, taught correctly that the milieu or internal environment governs life and health and sickness and death. Simply, if we are healthy inside, we are healthy outside and no amount of “germs” affect us at all. The vaccine myth is founded on the false germ theory. Vaccines are dangerous and are promoted by the elites for population control. Many doctors reject them for themselves and their families but dutiful bow to big Pharma and inject their patients in violation of their Hippocratic Oath, which reads in part (original): “I will prescribe regimens for the good of my patients according to my ability and my judgment and never do harm to anyone. I will give no deadly medicine to any one if asked, nor suggest any such counsel; and similarly I will not give a woman a pessary to cause an abortion.”

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  • Jeremy Leochner

    This does help Mr. Livingston. The only question remaining for me is in regards to the false left right paradigm. To my knowledge Mr. Livingston you have avoided such generalizations however several of your writers have quite emphatically and often thrown around terms like the left and leftist in a very general sense. They have strongly pushed the idea that American politics is somehow a battle between the left and the right, liberals versus conservatives. I respect that your writers can write what they wish. However I want to understand why you say that the the left right paradigm is false when your own columns writers seem to be pushing it so forcefully. And perhaps why your columns writers feel it is necessary to push this idea at all. Like you said the left right paradigm is false and such labels are meaningless. So why do your writers use them so much.

    • JeffH

      Jeremy, the answer to your question is right under your nose.

      “How could you allow (that writer) to say that? Our contributors are given free rein to write whatever is on their conscience. While we all agree in a broad sense, we are not an echo chamber and do not agree on all points. You may one day read one perspective on an issue and see a different perspective from a different contributor the next.”

      • Vicki

        Left right paradigm and why it doesn’t work explained here.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4r0VUybeXY

      • DaveH

        The Left Right paradigm as explained by Lew Rockwell:
        http://mises.org/books/leftright.pdf

      • Kate8

        The Left/Right paradigm is an illusion as far as party system in government.

        However, ideologically, it is alive and well among the populace. Many just haven’t figured out that the parties merely pander to the ideologies of the people… and, indeed, work to shape them.

        There is no doubt that are liberals and conservatives. I believe that Mr. Livingston addressed that point quite well. To deny that you, Jeremy, and I, are miles apart in our thinking would be absurd.

        It boils down to our outlook on the world, how we view personal responsibility and accountability, the function of government, and to whom we look for answers to our problems and to whom we attribute power to determine our society.

        We cannot deny the liberal’s enamorment of big government, the perceived ability to have a hand in the public largesse, and the ability to have their every decadent self-indulgence receive the blessing of Big Bro and shoved down our collective throats.

        Nor can we deny that conservatives value personal liberty and desire to be free of all but the most essential functions of governance. That we desire to set our own standards of society, allowing each to exercise his right to his own choices and morals as long as no one intrudes on the rights of another. This alone tends to set the standards of what is acceptable, and the chips fall where they may.

        It boils down to the force of government to determine our lives, or personal sovereignty. Once we go down the road as trying to use government as a great equalizer, we end up right where we are, because humanity simply does not possess enough wisdom to solve everyone’s problems, and power makes humans infinitely corruptible.

        Hence, we end up with those in power pitting the factions against each other for their own ends and, eventually, everyone loses.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        I understand that. My issue is Mr. Livingston said that it was a false paradigm. He said such labels are meaningless. My question is why do his writers seem to differ so strongly on this point. My issue is with him saying that the left right paradigm is not whats on this site. Yet my understanding is that it is here quite often.

      • Kate8

        Jeremy – He didn’t say that the posters were all aware of the false paradigm. Clearly, they are not.

        What he said was that HE was aware of it, and exposing the truth is part of his own policies.

        Why are you being so nit-picky? The answers to your (rhetorical) questions are obvious. Perhaps it is YOU who are dense.

      • JeffH

        Kate8, this is Jeremy’s(Flashy’s) game…it’s all intentional.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        Perhaps I am being a little picky. I apologize Mr. Livingston. Maybe my issue is with the writers themselves and why they feel the need to push the left right paradigm. I agree with Mr Livingston that it is false and the labels are meaningless. My issue is why his writers don’t think so.

      • Mike in MI

        K88 – “Why are you being so nit-picky?”
        Obsessive-compulsive…and probably other disorders like tics, addictions and schizoids (with multiple spiritual rats aboard) are highly represented in sociopaths and certain depressed individuals. They have control of him not he of them.

      • DaveH

        The Left/Right paradigm has nothing at all to do with whether people are Liberals/Progressives (like Big Government) or True Conservatives (like Limited Government, Small Government). Bob is saying that both Leftists and Rightists are fronting for most of the same people, as they are. Read this book and figure it out:
        http://www.amazon.com/The-Big-Ripoff-Business-Government/dp/0471789070/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1342462552&sr=8-1&keywords=the+big+ripoff

      • Jeremy Leochner

        I am autistic.I will grant you that information. I am a tad nit picky. But tics and schizoids. No. I have been depressed in the past. But I worked through it. My views are based on my understanding of the world. Not some mental disorder.

      • Kate8

        But Jeremy, your understanding of the world has been shaped by those with an agenda. It has been socially engineered. None of your thoughts are truly your own, but merely a result of indoctrination.

        Belief is not truth. It is only belief. No matter how many people believe in a thing, it is still only a belief, and no amount of belief or repetition will make a lie the truth.

        We cannot ever hope to come anywhere near to the truth until we are willing to throw out all belief. You cannot place new wine in old wineskins, for the new wine will be tainted and will take on the flavor of the old.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        Actually Kate my thoughts are my own. I have from time to time doubted my beliefs. And I have changed them as the years have gone by. My understanding is not based on others telling me what to think. It is based on what I think. I was taught to think critically and analyze and base my thoughts on that. I believe there is validity in what I say. I believe in tolerance and moderation. I think such ideas are good. Perhaps I am wrong but so far I believe I am right. I listen to my own heart and not just what others say.

      • http://naver samurai

        I understand what Bob is saying. I also am a Christian, combat veteran, conservative, and patriot. Sook Young is a patriot also. We believe in this country going only by the Constitution, founding principles, and our Christian founding. These are not really part of any political party these days, except through lip service, but there are those out there that wish to change all of these and make our country into a socialist, secular state. Good article Bob. If you have the time, maybe you could try to explain to the 5th columners on this site just who is really pulling the strings. Bilderbergs, Illuminati, and other evil, wacko groups. Keep up the good fight fellow patriot. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

    • Deerinwater

      Jeremy, Mr. Livingston remind me of the Coach of a mixed race football team that was experiencing some racial tension among his team members and set out to address it by getting them all together and telling them that they were all “green” in his eyes. Then proceeded to command , “Okay” now that is settled, I want all the light green to fall out and give me three laps and the dark green form a single line on my mark.”

      That was only a stab at humor and I hope it’s taken that way for I enjoy Bob Livingston’s forums and much of the work he has set out to do, to educate and enlighten. American badly need a viable 3rd party and perhaps even a forth. I’m almost willing to say anything that disrupts the current power structure on the Hill that has Americans squeezed in the jaws of a vise where we are damned if we do and damned if we don’t , “might” seen as a “good thing”

      That said, It’s fun to watch a tiger attempt to change it’s strips as I fail to see any difference between the current Tea Party actives and the Right Wing Christian Coalition that served 43 so well and offered the wind under his wing as he went from one blunder to the next. They have lighted up on the pontificating “God Matters” but it’s still the driving force behind their stated intentions. They want “their God in your politics”

      This relabeling for political expedience, to distant ones self from a poor track record on both foreign affairs and poor spending habits in the name of some righteousness endeavor and to hell with the cost or who will be left to pay it can be understood but don’t think for one second I don’t understand what the Tea Party is doing. In their zeal for “Righteousness “, they have been wrong before and can be just as wrong today.

      Not all , but many of the midterm Tea Party of 2010 victors have came under fire for unscrupulous activities, lying, fraud , misappropriation of funds just like any other lying, cheating and stealing politician. There no difference in one from another in the final accounting.

      In good faith, we are left to select a “person” and not a “label” or “banner” while some would believe Herman Cain might have qualified ~ offering me serious concerns while our election process has “worked” and worthy mention. I find myself grateful.

      • Vigilant

        “This relabeling for political expedience, to distant ones self from a poor track record on both foreign affairs and poor spending habits in the name of some righteousness endeavor and to hell with the cost or who will be left to pay it …”

        You’ve described Obama to a tee.

      • http://SouthernGirl Doubtful Avenger

        Dear Deer in headlights – you claim you see no difference between the Tea Party and the former Religious Right. I was never a member of RR, because it was a closed group of Christians whose “conservatism” was mainly social conservatism, so folks like Huckabee and Santorum could rise to power and influence but still see government (even big government) as a solution instead of the problem. The Tea Party certainly is open and allows folks with the RR views to participate, but it is primarily small government, anti-tax, anti-debt, and its principles and ideas are much more libertarian and less constrictive than the RR. If you don’t see a difference, it is because you haven’t participated, but are buying the misrepresentations of the mainstream media.

        • Deerinwater

          It’s Deerinwater,~ buttwipe,

          Doubtful Avenger says; “, (The Tea Party) but it is primarily small government, anti-tax, anti-debt, and its principles and ideas are much more libertarian and less constrictive than the RR. If you don’t see a difference, it is because you haven’t participated, but are buying the misrepresentations of the mainstream media.”

          Okay DA, I will concede that the right wing coalition has moved the couch around, added a floor lamp, a few new wall hanging and some new window treatment but it is still the same bunch that supplied the energy for 43 second term while spending 7 trillion dollars and no one questions asked where is might come from as they waved tiny plastic flags and shouted down all opposition with claims of God & Country. Anyone that opposed 43′s International , military blundering was labeled, a pinko, Anti-gun, Anti-military, Anti -American , anti-Christian and completely Godless. I remember those days very well and I’m here to see that everyone else does. I’m not at liberty to let any of you to forget it.

          I will admit that their ( the Tea Party’s) new packaging has added appeal and increased their membership. You openly admitted , you are a Johnny Come Lately and was not engaged in Right Wing Christian Coalition prior to the Tea Party. ~ You are a walking, talking living example of what I’m talking about.

          Let me ask you something, ~ we don;t hear of the Ring Wing Christian Coalition anymore, ~ Where ta hell do you think they went?

          Do you really believe that they simply disappeared off the face of the planet? That they gave up after the Bush administration embarrassment?

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “DoubtfulAvenger,”

        I LIKE YOUR CLEARLY-STATED DEFINITIONS FOR “Religious Right” AND “Tea Party.”

        STRANGELY, YOUR DEFINITION FOR, Tea Party, FITS THE COMMON VIEW NEGRO DEMOCRATS HAVE ALWAYS HELD IN REFERENCE TO CAUCASIAN REPUBLICANS – i. e., “rich white folks living in big mansions and too cheap when it comes to spending money.” YET, SINCE MY CHILDHOOD DURING THE EARLY 1970s, THE Religious Right HAS RECEIVED THE MOST EXPOSURE IN THE NEGRO COMMUNITY.

        THEREFORE, IT IS “STRANGE” BECAUSE MOST NEGROES HAVE A “Tea Party-” VIEW OF CAUCASIAN REPUBLICANS – WHO HAVE A “Religious Right” FACE.

        CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

      • JeffH

        You’re just a hoot sometimes deer bob when you state what you don’t know… “That said, It’s fun to watch a tiger attempt to change it’s strips as I fail to see any difference between the current Tea Party actives and the Right Wing Christian Coalition that served 43 so well and offered the wind under his wing as he went from one blunder to the next.”

        I don’t expect you to understand or even change your “percieved” bias towards the Tea Party movement but just so ya know…The Tea Party movement is an American political movement that supports adherence to an originalist interpretation of the United States Constitution,[1] reduced government spending,reducing taxes, and reduction of the national debt and federal budget deficit. The movement is generally considered to be conservative, libertarian, and populist. The movement has sponsored protests and supported political candidates since 2009.
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement

        Considering the “Tea Party actives”(?)weren’t even around while 43 was in office but were certainly formed as a result of, among others, 43′s and government’s lack of fiscal restraint.

        New York Times journalist Kate Zernike reported that leaders within the Tea Party credit Seattle blogger and conservative activist Keli Carender with organizing the first Tea Party in February 2009, although the term “Tea Party” was not used.

        • Deerinwater

          Hmm? ~ well Jeff, ~ being called a “hoot” is an honor and I’ll wear it gladly.

          I’m attempting to point out the elephant in the room while you and everyone else (its seems) is refusing to even go there. ( Not that I blame you, I’m just refusing to let you)

          Like Mitt Romney, you are attempting to hide behind a time-line and a label change in your “attempt” to distance yourselves from foul deeds and in-general, a disservice to fellow Americans in your lust and pursuit for dominion.

          Why not just admit that your Tea Party, much like the Phoenix ,arose from the ashes of the Right Wing Christian Coalition in sound disgrace and defeat and we can get on with business, ~ without this pretense that there is a new kid in town?

      • Deerinwater

        Jeff says; “The Tea Party movement is an American political movement that supports adherence to an originalist interpretation of the United States Constitution,”

        Oh I do understand Jeff, more then you believe, The Tea Party is the “New Improved’ version of the RWCC, much wiser after their stall, spin, crash and burn in 2008 and their chicken came back home to roost.

        Not finding a strong perpetuity for the bitterness of Humble Pie, a name change and little less use of Gods name and holy righteousness was in order find most appropriated and befitting the self absorbed, self described American Christian Patriot. Since it didn’t work out so well the last time.

        Much like the original tea Party , where the Tea Party actor’s were cloaked in disguise with an attempt to deffer guilt to innocent native Americans, so too is the Tea Party of today. While today some do openly show they faces and some do not, leading only to a rabbit hole in corporate America. It’s my personal belief their leaderships intentions are always veiled in some patriot Pollyanna bu$$ #hit while using gullible Shills that know no better.

        Once again, you are being used, having not learned your lesson the last time you fell under a spell of disinformation that boosted of “Nobel and Righteous” virtues.

        Lets face it ! If you can find financing for your Christian cause, you would dance with the Devil himself and deny it until you die.

      • JeffH

        deer bob, you’ve now joined the ranks of the anti-christian movement…good for you. Robert and Falsy would be proud. I wouldn’t expect any less from you.
        I get it that you’re clueless but you don’t have to broadcast it.

        As you’re babbling on with your ignorance, yes I said ignorance, you’ve now decided in your wild mind that this is all about me supporting a “Christian cause”. Considering I don’t discuss my religeous beliefs on this board I see you’ve decided to just start making things up…how Obama of you.

        You say “It’s my personal belief their leaderships intentions are always veiled in some patriot Pollyanna bu$$ #hit while using gullible Shills that know no better.”

        It’s more like “SO says the Jabberwocky”…speaking of shills!

        You’re spewing out a lot of methane gas. You’re so full of yourself your eyes are brown! Now go have another shot of whatever mindnumbing beverage it is you’ve been drinking.

        I’m done playing with you but feel free to lower yourself any way you please…if that’s what pleases you.

        Si vous ne pouvait pas dire quelque chose de stupide vous resterait silencieuse.

        Now if only pigs could fly!

        • Deerinwater

          Jeff say; “deer bob, you’ve now joined the ranks of the anti-christian movement”

          I beg your pardon, to the contrary, I have not, ~ I’m just anti Jeff! I have not joined anything, ~ I merely bring forward an observation to large to ignore. And rather then attacking my message you attempt to attack me.

          Nice attempt to divert attention from the message, but it does not work on me. Sorry! ☻

          You are misapplying the Christian label in much the same way you do all other labels, to sever you and your personal beliefs. “Christian” should carry a certain seal of approval , while it seems there nothing you won’t abuse to get your way.

        • http://gravatar.com/macgyver1948 macgyver1948

          JeffH … I do not normally take things out of context and form an opinion with the incomplete information and I wont now but I am curious. I didn’t see all of Deerinwater’s comment in my email but I saw yours.

          You said, in response to him, “deer bob, you’ve now joined the ranks of the anti-christian movement…good for you”. What determines an “anti-christian”? Is it just those who hate Christians or are people who are not Christian and do not hate Christians included in that group of “anti-christian” and part of ‘that’ “movement”?

          I am not a Christian and I will never want to be but I consider many Christians as equal in the eyes of God as I am to Him and to me. I have many close Christian friends and none of them say that so as I said I am only curious.

      • JeffH

        So says the Jabberwocky! Have another drink!

        • macgyver1948

          JeffH… Why do you have that evil sociopath hitler in your pic? You obviously have that right but do you associate with that kind of evil? Hitler in no way represents anything God or freedom and liberty. I do not recognize the guy with him so is it a Yin-Yang kind of thing?

      • Deerinwater

        Jeff say;”Considering I don’t discuss my religeous beliefs on this board I see you’ve decided to just start making things up…”

        and I thank you for that Jeff but I don’t remember my observation being directed at a single person and you were the last person on my mind.

        For what it’s worth to you, the Tea Party would be a much more creditable force if there were more active members like DaveH, Time, 45 and yourself. But face the facts, ~none of you don’t make up the bulk of Tea Party, you only share some ruse of common purpose to resist 1st and foremost the current administration.

        That the Tea Party venomously opposed the current administration before they knew “how” it would actually govern should offer anyone some understanding of Tea Party “intent”, this cry that the American election process has failed sounds more like sour grapes to me. I remember it as so, ~ by inauguration Feb 26th 2009 this ground swell of Tea Party resistance had been mounted and it has not stopped in 3 1/2 years.

        And where are these Right Wing Christian Coalition Conservatives today? Did they leave a forwarding address?

      • JeffH

        mac-1948, if you have to ask you’ll never get it. Two peas in a pod!

        • macgyver1948

          JeffH… The pic was to small for me to see it is Obama until I enlarged it. I was right, it is a Yin-Yang thing – nicely opposites – evil hitler and not so bad Obama. Thanks for clearing that up.

      • JeffH

        deer bob, I’m not the least bit sorry you got your panties all twisted out of shape. In the meantime please keep posting your little rants & tirades…they really demean you…as much as you’ve tried the opposite…it ain’t workin’ chumly!

        • Deerinwater

          Panties in a wad? Oh please ! I’m just vexed when confronted with people attempting to use “Stupid” as a weapon.

          And thanks you from the heart of my bottom for your permission to post here Jeff. I was not aware that you served Mr. Livingston in the capacity of gate keeper and pesky country fly. It’s nice to feel so welcomed with your ongoing personal attacks while completely avoiding my message, it;s duly noted by myself and others.

          While I have not made an effort to attack you “personally” while clearly I’ve struck a nerve to warrant such personal attacks coming from you. Is it something that I said?

          Your behavior and postings speak for themselves as you beat yourself up in some furious effort to pull me off topic.

          So again I ask, where are all those Right Wing Christian Coalition Conservative that help us spend 7 Trillion dollars on wars that could have been avoided? With 6,377 dead Americans soldiers, I ask for what? I would expect some accounting on the part of sincere Christian patriots.

          Yes a democratic congress was instrumental in this debacle but they were lied to and shouted down as this noisy bunch demand what their President wanted, ~ It was the power of lies and a loud minority carrying a Christian banner that ruled the day.

          I will never let us forget. I will never let you hide.

      • Deerinwater

        Vigilant says:

        “This relabeling for political expedience, to distant ones self from a poor track record on both foreign affairs and poor spending habits in the name of some righteousness endeavor and to hell with the cost or who will be left to pay it …”

        You’ve described Obama to a tee.

        response; “TMF” ~ Too much Fox.

      • JeffH

        deer bob, as I’m LMAO at your constant ignorant ramblings I’ll remind you that your simply spitting into a head wind.

        “I will never let you hide.” Such a “bone chilling” statement!
        You probably lost a lot in “hide & seek” as a child too. ROFLMAO!
        That’s about as delutional a statement as you’ve ever made…and you’ve made plenty of them.

        Now throw another log on the fire and suck down a few more hot toddies. Ta da for now.

        • Deerinwater

          If you cannot attack the message Jeff, then why are you here? For what purpose do you serve? I must have really, really hurt your little feeling. Was it something I said that you don’t feel comfortable to discuss?

          Why don’t you just unload on me and we can banter back and forth like mature adults? As for now, you are coming across like a 10 year old.

      • JeffH

        er bob, re-read your idiotic meaningless rants, it is you who’s all up in arms and offended.(imagine that?) In order to to play the game, you have to understand the rules. By the very nature of your responses, you’ve failed and try as you may to toss out some bait, you’re the only one getting hooked by it here.
        I do realize that’s a bit over your head

        Looking forward to your response. Until later, Ta Ta!

        • Deerinwater

          If my message is meaningless , I would think you could ignore it?

          Since you don’t seem to have a message and until you find one Jeff, consider yourself ignored.

          Jeff H supported an administration that restricted personal freedoms with the Patriot Act while committing every American taxpayer to fork out 7 Trillion dollars with “ZERO” earning promised as over 6000 American soldiers bleed out on foreign soil while he wave a tiny plastic flag and sang Gods glory on high.

      • JeffH

        Hmmmm ho, yawns…so says the Jabberwocky…run with whatever floats yer boat.

        Ta da for now!

        • macgyver1948

          JeffH… You like the word “Jabberwocky”, you use it a lot to describe any who disagree with you. Fantasy must suite you. I enjoy fantasy a lot myself but I don’t generally use it to call people names like we did in kindergarten and grade school. Not since I became an adult anyway. For example, I could say the Tea Party and their purchased GOP are Succubus because they are working very hard on sucking the life out of the middle class but I haven’t yet. :-)).

          Below is my copy/paste definition of your “Jabberwocky”. In it notice the definition includes the description “nonsense verse”. Is it just easy for you to use that kind of name calling when you speak with people who disagree with you? Oh well, sticks and stones…

          “Jabberwocky” is a nonsense verse poem written by Lewis Carroll in his 1872 novel Through the Looking-Glass, and What Alice Found There, a sequel to Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland. The book tells of Alice’s adventures within the back-to-front world of a looking glass.”.

      • JeffH

        macgyver1948, because you’re not bright enough to understand, I’ll give you a short and concise answer.

        1. NO, I don’t use it on anyone who disagrees with my point of view, it’s use is reserved for one individual only.

        If you had paid enough attention you would have understood that. You’ve poked your nose into and have made an unsupported generalization about something that you obviously have no knowledge of…you must be a liberal!

        • macgyver1948

          JeffH…. Since I am not sure what your personal definition of “liberal” is I really can’t answer you even though your question was obvioulsy sarcastically rhetorical.

          Actually I am not into lables and I am not really a Party person. I am more of an issues person. I believe when it comes to the private sector we all are entitled to what we can afford. Those who can afford and maintain a Rolls Royce should be able to buy or lease it. Those who cannot afford more than what is in the Chevy Nova class that should be what they can buy and maintain. In other words, don’t buy the house you can’t afford every month for the term of the mortage. There is more to that but not for here and now.

          I look for what I consider fair and equitable (similiar but not exactly the same as ‘fair’) for all of us from government. We should not be allowed to buy more benefits, we should be treated equal and the same, all of us. I do not agree that the very wealthy, who can afford better tax advice, should be able pay less taxes than those of us who cannot afford tax advice at all. Warren Buffet should not be paying less taxes than his secretary. I would suggest a reseanable flat tax that would not allow for exceptions but I do not think the wealthy would allow it. And I believe in helping people when they deserve and need it.

          I believe our government should keep its hairy nose out of our personal business, our bodies and our religions (and viseversa on that religion thing). But I also believe Governmnet needs to step in when it comes to protecting the envirnment. I wish I didn’t mean that last part but the need has been so obvious over the last couple of hundred years because Corporations will polute the envirtnment and strip the land all to keep their costs down with very little regard for people.

          I feel we need the EPA although that agency, along with others, needs reform. To many agencies do not work for our benefit and that has a lot to do with corporate influence – money. It’s not only Congress who has a “For Sale” sign on its back. I am so much against Corporate money influencing government as the Founders were. I believe if the Founders were some how to come here today they would shoot anyone who says “Corporatiuons are people”. I believe Romney is a Corporate/Koch puppet and he will Bain the crap out of us.

          I see that Trickle Down will not work because those at the top will not allow enough to trickle down for it to benefit anyone. Notice I did not say TD will not work. As long as those at the top are so greedy and take the incentives, to create jobs and whatever, but instead use the gifts as savings TD will not work. For example, where are the jobs the GW Bush gifts were suppose to create?

          I could go on but I think you have your opinion of me already, even before this response to you, so it really doesn’t matter. Please do not think I missed your insult, my not being bright enough to understand, but I choose to not go there because there is to much to brighten up my day to care.

          So, am I a liberal according to you?

          • Deerinwater

            JeffH seems to believe he is the gate keeper and hold some kind of black belt in the art of personal attacks while actually he is mouthy pundit representing the self described Conservative Right which holds a miserable track record of being correct about much of anything . He has no argument, he hided in arrogance of his ignorance and actually believes he has injured you with it ~ when you bother respond to him.

            I’ve cut him off of my respond list until which time he brings forward any argument of some substance. JeffH being wrong or marginly correct is something to work with , being deliberately or sincerely stupid is another matter. Once you seen one “Three Stooges” routine, you have seen them all.

    • DaveH

      Jeremy,
      The old-timers know that you are really Flashman, so why don’t you quit the sociopathic games and just call yourself HFlashman (aka. Flashy) all the time? Is it because we have so thoroughly exposed your Flashman personality that you know you have no credibility as Flashy?
      What kind of sickness would prompt a person to assume different personalities like you do?
      For the new readers who don’t know what I’m talking about:
      http://personalliberty.com/2011/05/16/what-now/#comment-341930
      Read the whole thread, especially Bob’s comments. Jovianus is one of Flashman’s multiple personalities.

      And the answer to your question, Flashman, is that Bob is talking about the purposeful manipulation by the string-pullers to keep people divided into the two political camps — the Military State, and the Welfare State. As long as people are rooting for one faux team or the other, the Government can just keep growing to the benefit of their Crony Capitalists. We can only ever regain our Freedom if the people awaken to the fact that they are being manipulated.
      By the way, Flashman, I can’t speak for the other readers, but my labels — Liberal or Conservative — are consistent with Bob’s philosophy. Liberal, by my definition, is anybody who thinks Big Government is the solution to our problems, and Conservatives are those who know that Small Government (e.g. Constitutional Government) is the solution to our problems (like our most influential Founders knew). Thus, most of the Politicians, whether Republican or Democrat, are Liberals.

      • JeffH

        DaveH, good to see you’re alive and, I hope, well. You’ve been missed!

      • Mike in MI

        Amen to that JeffH.!!!
        Good to hear from you DaveH. – one of our librarians and best word engineers. So, I have really misread Jeremy L and dipped into one of Flushy’s multiple, schizoid selves below?
        Ah, well. Thanks for the nicely referenced heads up. I like how folks stick together here. Very, very refreshing in these evil and devouring times.
        Hope my post below to “Mr. Jeremy Loechner” (7/16/12 @ 4:49 a.m.) is not a total waste of a night. Well it’s there if somebody, anybody can use the info. Those texts have served me very well for a whole bunch of decades…and still today. Albeit a little doggy-eared, now.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        The problem Dave is that I am not flashman or Jovianus anyone other then Jeremy Leochner. That idea was created out of a refusal to debate me and respect that a person could genuinely believe what I believe. Someone who uses multiple personalities is a liar who does not trust in their own beliefs. I do so I will not use different names to push what I believe. And I say what I have always said Dave I do not care what you think of me or my ideas. All I want is to have a debate like adults rather then a pity squabble over identity. I am who I say am. Why is that so crazy.

      • Kate8

        Admit it, Jeremy. You are but another one of the paid shills. Your posts are not intelligent enough to be honest. Someone with so little political savvy wouldn’t be interested in posting on sites this this unless they had a reason for doing so.

        Your denials mean nothing. Part of the job is swearing it’s not so… deny, deny, deny. The truth must NEVER be revealed.

        We know all about it, Jeremy, Flash, or whoever you are. Doesn’t matter, because you are a fictional entity, anyway.

        BTW, there is now a task force investigating paid shill organizations. You will be exposed soon enough.

      • JeffH

        Kate8, HEAR HEAR!

      • DaveH

        Flashman,
        You bore me with your nonsense. I didn’t say you are crazy. I said you are a sociopath.

      • Karolyn

        Dave, Kate, et al – It seems the paranoid conservatives are out in force again and cannot accept the fact that someone can have the views Jeremy has and not be someone else, who is , in fact, paid to post. Why can’t you just accept that people are who they say they are? I just don’t get it, and it makes me crazy!

      • Kate8

        Well, Karolyn, I guess that you will just have to cope with it if you insist on trolling this site, won’t you?

        I doubt if any of us will lose any sleep over driving you crazy. It is what it is.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        Part of the problem Kate is if I am not what you and Dave say I am that kinda requires denial as well. I believe what I believe. Apparently that is beyond reason for Dave, I am not paid to say what I say. I say what I believe. Crazy huh. As Abraham Lincoln once said “If I were two faced, do you think I would wear this one.” I am like all of you. I believe what I believe and I say it when I feel it warrants being said. I did not realize my ideas are so unreasonable that you cant imagine my saying them unless I am crazy or a paid liar. I will grant there is no way to prove either way whether or not I am telling the truth. I just fall back on what I have always done. I assume everyone here is who they say they are. At least I believe every name is a different person. I ask only for others to recognize that I am who I say I am. My real name is Jeremy Michael Leochner. Beyond that I do not wish to give you my personal information. I use only my real name because being honest about my ideas is very important to me. I consider it unnecessary and cowardly to not attach your own name to your ideas. I assume people here have the courage to the be associated with their ideas. I see no reason to not be honest myself. No amount of evidence beyond revealing information that could lead to my identity being stolen could prove that I am who I say I am. And then Dave and others would probably just assume I am Jeremy but that I am using fake names as well. I will say what is the truth. I am Jeremy Leochner and Jeremy Leochner only. I cannot prove who I am to anyone. There is no proof beyond perhaps sounding similar in belief that ties me to anyone else. Of course by that logic I could just as easily say that several of the writers or several bloggers on this website are the same person cause a lot seem to share the same beliefs. But that does not make a person the same as another. Same applies to me. I have a right to my beliefs same as any one else. I will speak my belief when I feel something needs to be said. I know what the truth is, I hope people can understand that.I dont want anyone to think I am saying something I do not believe or do not wish to say. I am Jeremy Leochner. The only post where my ideas will be voiced is the one under the name Jeremy Leochner.

      • TIME

        Dear JL,

        So you think that people who use many differant names are all lairs, would that be a fair representation of your own words?

        Ok good as thats what you posted – so thats how you really feel, and I agree with you 100%.

        So my question to you is this; Why do you have a double standard when it comes to; Barry Obama / Barry Marshall / Barry Sotoro, / Harrison J. Bounel, who got a $1.395.000.00 HUD loan to buy the home that the person he claims is his wife who’s name is M Onama lives in same phone number and SS # as one Barak Obama – oh and he has never paid a single red cent on that home or / Barak Obama – or what ever his real name is.

        Really since you were being so “Truthful” I have to ask you don’t you think your being a your hypocrite – when it comes to Barack Obama?

        Peace and Love

      • Jeremy Leochner

        Time you used a few names in that post there so it took me a while. I had not heard about President Obama asking for a loan on a house he did not own. That is what I took form your post. If that is true I would say yes the President is lying. However I have never known the President to go by any name other then his own. And I have never known his wife to go by any other name then her own. So to be honest I do not know enough about that story to know whether or not I was being hypocritical. Though how could I be since I did not know about it.

      • DaveH

        It’s fitting that you would use a quote from Dishonest Abe, Flashman:
        http://mises.org/misesreview_detail.aspx?control=312

      • DaveH

        Obama never used a name not his own? How about a Social Security number?
        http://www.wnd.com/2012/07/obamas-social-security-number-challenged/

      • Kate8

        Jeremy – You went on and on about what you believe, and that is fine, but I say again that beliefs are only beliefs. If such beliefs serve you, then fine. But they are still only beliefs.

        If you want the truth, then you have to suspend beliefs.

        As far as using one’s real name… well, in this day and age of non-privacy that can be risky. Why give someone who disagrees with you the opportunity to look you up…

        Besides which, those with views contrary to the WH only end up on an enemies list, so why would anyone risk that?

        No, I don’t think it’s necessary to tell the world your real name. In fact, I think that is foolish, under these circumstances.

        If you are running for POTUS, however, that is another story. You should be an open book, as your life and your views affect everyone, and they have the right to know who you are. Unlike the current liar in chief, who is one big fiction.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        I can respect that. But the problem is we interpret things as we see them. Its important to change ones beliefs to match the evidence. Its just that evidence has not come up to change certain beliefs I have. I want to listen to reason and I will try to admit when I am wrong.
        As for my name I suppose if people want to look me up they can. I try to keep my personal information secret but I do not want to say my views under any name but my own. I think thats a good decision and I stick by it.
        I believe the President of the United States is not an evil liar. I am of the mind that he is honest about who he is. For all I or anyone knows maybe he isnt. But I am inclined to believe he his. It does not make it true, but neither does believing he is a liar make him a liar.

      • Kate8

        It’s called preponderance of evidence, Jeremy.

        So many Obots believe simply because they need to believe. They place party before common sense. Obama has crafted ( with a lot of help) a personna, and there are those, like you, will cling to this even though there is overwhelming evidence that he is a fraud.

        If you check it out, people from his past attest to his getting a lot of “help” in setting up a resume in spite of his lack of qualifications and laziness. IOW, he never earned a single title he received.

        But you won’t even examine any of this evidence, will you, Jeremy? And what about the fact that he has consistently stepped on the Constitution and issued EOs that fly right in its face?

        How is it that you do not even question the fact that he has sealed his entire history, and has spent millions of taxpayer dollars fighting having it released? That troubles you not at all?

        I’ve been over this too many times to count, so I won’t waste any more time on it. But objective, you are not, Jeremy.

        If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck….

      • Jeremy Leochner

        I don’t desire to cling to anything. I believe Obama has made mistakes and is not very quick to reveal certain aspects of his life. But there is a difference between not being proud of something and deliberately hiding it.

        Everyone has help earning titles. He was elected to the senate. He was elected to the presidency. He earned those titles. At least the people seemed to think he earned them.

        As to his executive orders. Give me an example. Give me evidence to work with. I cannot prove a negative unless I have evidence.

        No one is objective. Certainly not me. However I am no blind Obama supporter. I just prefer to call things as they are. If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck its a duck, not a buzzard. Obama is certainly no dove or nightingale, but hes no buzzard or vulture either. Hes somewhere in the middle.

      • Deerinwater

        Kate8 says:

        “Well, Karolyn, I guess that you will just have to cope with it if you insist on trolling this site, won’t you?

        I doubt if any of us will lose any sleep over driving you crazy. It is what it is.”

        response; This was just too “rich” to not print again. Kate8 confession to willful trolling while blaming Karolyn of trolling.

        This is the perfect example of “stupid ” being employed as an Offensive weapon.

    • Mike in PA

      The left right paradign serves to obfuscate, to divide and conquer. While Republicans and Democrats, conservatives and liberals, are at each others throats and thus distracted, the true enemy has its way, we all loose and the powers that be win. When President Eisenhower warned of the millitary industrial complex it was because it had seen it in the rise of Nazi Germany where the alliance of the rich industrialists and the and the millitary establishment resulted in ruin and death for millions. Bob is right, the ultra rich are thriving, and rest of us are sinking under the same system, constant warfare at the expense of the rest of the economy, the one that we the people rely on. they care nothing for left or right, only themselves. Those people on here that are constantly at each others throats ideologically, have more in common with each other than with the true masters of the universe. If you dont know your enemy you are truly defenceless.

    • Vicki

      Jeremy Leochner writes:
      “However I want to understand why you say that the the left right paradigm is false when your own columns writers seem to be pushing it so forcefully.”

      Watch the video I linked above. The reason the left/right paradigm is pushed so hard along with why it is false is clearly described.

      Here is the link again so you don’t have to hunt for it.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4r0VUybeXY

      The description is in the first minute of the video so you won’t have to wait long. I do recommend that everyone watches all ~10 minutes though.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        My issue is the video does not lay out terms of leftism or rightism. Being on the left does not mean you want more government. Extremes on either side of the political spectrum want more government power for their views and their agendas. What is leftism or rightism. For the sake of argument where is left or right in relation to say conservative or liberal. Being a liberal is often associated with being on the left. Yet liberalism is not based on more government. A right wing extremist government is just as tyrannical as a leftist.

        And Rome did not lose its republic because the government got to powerful. It was lost because individuals like Caesar and Sulla were granted emergency powers to stop invasions and they never gave them up. The problem in Rome wasn’t that the producers were not allowed to keep the fruits of their labor. The problem was the system was built to benefit the wealthy producers at the expense of the poor and less fortunate. That’s why people turned to the gifts of the strong men like sulla. He offered them gifts while the Republic could only offer hope and promises. The enemy is not government. The enemy is bad government.

      • Vicki

        Jeremy writes: “Rome did not lose its republic because the government got to powerful. It was lost because individuals like Caesar and Sulla were granted emergency powers to stop invasions and they never gave them up.”

        And this is different from government getting too powerful how?

        Jeremy writes: “The problem in Rome wasn’t that the producers were not allowed to keep the fruits of their labor. The problem was the system was built to benefit the wealthy producers at the expense of the poor and less fortunate.”

        The video describes exactly what happens to the Roman Republic. The people started taking more than producers (even the wealthy) could produce. (9:00 in the video)

        Jeremy writes: “The enemy is bad government”

        Agreed. And good government is that government which governs least. DaveH has already provide links to a list of governments and their freedom/wealth indexes.

    • libertarian58

      The Hegelian Dialectic explains this perfectly and also why most Americans have fallen victim to it. Understand this marxist principle and you will know why liberty is in grave peril from the two “lefts”.

    • Pete Sagi

      And here’s the real Bob Livingston philosophy … whatever you do, don’t talk about participation in socialistic insecurity … how it is voluntary by law but enforced at a virtual 100% by the private sector, how participation in socialistic insecurity is what incurs liability for income tax for all but a handful of taxpayers, how it not only incurs liability for FICA and federal income tax but also payroll tax, medicare tax, state income tax and local income tax, how it is also what ties people into Obamacare, how in a system of fiat currency none of these taxes finance anything but merely serve as a means of controlling the effects of inflation on the prices of real goods and services, or how without this system, all contingent upon the massive fraud of socialistic insecurity, the parasitic central banking system aka the federal reserve couldn’t survive. No, let’s not discuss the REAL issue, let’s beat around the bush. Better to complain about all of the nonsense going down, but to make sure that you dutifully collect a socialist slavestate number from everyone you hire so that they, too, can pay for their own enslavement. Way to go, Bob!!!!!!!!

      Pete

    • Stuart Shepherd

      Yes! Thank you so much Mr. Livingston. I am one of those who “drifted” to your newsletter knowing I was “conservative” and “libertarian” (in the patriotic sense), but your writings have helped TREMENDOUSLY to clarify thoughts and feelings socio-politically. I believe I would call myself a “Christian Libertarian” and that that is the true Spirit of the Constitution and the New Covenant (with Christ).

    • Kevin Beck

      Jeremy,

      They are not “Bob’s Writers,” as you are espousing; their writings are independent of him and Personal Liberty Digest. The views expressed are those of the individual writers and not some editorial board, and the writings are from other sources not related to Personal Liberty Digest. The fact that some individual writers use the (false) right/left paradigm in their writings is because most people are still subscribing to that line of thinking, and the easiest way to explain some principles is through the use of presenting opposing (ie, opposite) straw-man arguments and knocking down your opponent’s views that way.

      The premise is always presented this way in politics because most people believe the views of Democrats and Republicans are different. But there are usually more than two sides to every issue, and the other viewpoints are smothered by the filters of the news. This is why national issues are always presented in terms of left vs right, and Democrat vs Republican; it is a way of squashing independent voices.

      As an example, during the Republican prmary season, the entire race was presented as “Mitt Romney vs Somebody Else.” Romney was presented with the advantage because he was the runner-up four years earlier. He was also the only candidate given overall favorable coverage by the lamestream media; everyone else was presented as “too conservative” (Santorum), “too wacky to have a national following” (Paul) or “too confrontational” (Gingrich). As such, Romney was always presented as the favorite choice, especially by most of the media coverage.

      But is he the opposite of Obama? Consider these points:

      Obamacare: Romney says he will “lead a movement to repeal and replace” Obamacare. But replace it with…what? Is he going to propose a DIFFERENT program, nationwide in scope, to replace a program that he authored the blueprint for, and signed into law when he was a governor?

      The Federal Reserve “buying” of government debt: Has he opposed this? Not to my knowledge, or at least not publicly.

      Overseas wars in countries that don’t matter to our nation’s security, like Egypt, Libya and Syria: Romney has supported each of these in the Republican debates, and we know from the evidence where Obama stands on these, since he initiated these wars without any Congressional approval.

      Getting government further away from business: Romney has not (yet) said that the marketplace is where winners and losers are chosen. He may oppose direct bailouts, but if (as President) he directs spending in the direction of purchasing for the feds to favored businesses, isn’t this the same thing?

      I didn’t expect this to be such a long reply, but I think this covers all the issues about why the right/left political paradigm doesn’t exist. I think it also tells why there are many articles that still present this as something that does exist.

    • Bert Cundle Sr.

      Gee… I thought Left Was Western U.S. & Right was Eastern U.S.

  • Mike in MI

    Mr. Jeremy Loechner – Apologies for misapprehension of your past posts.
    I agree with Mr. Livingston re the errors in the left/right paradigm. But, I see it more in terms of a wrong/right conflict. God is right – not the political right – simply RIGHT, JUST, GOODNESS Personified.
    You have been schooled that there is no such thing as TRUTH (dark versus light), that there is only shades of grey. But I perceive from your post above that you are someone who is confused by what you have been taught versus your environs and desire to get some bearings – hoping that somewhere, somehow you can connect to something that holds promise of making sense of the madness. If that is your heart’s cry may I suggest the Bible?
    Human philosophers have various tests for truths. One of them is does a tenet have a history and continuity of commitment, operability and fruitful utilization across cultures and time. In this arena nothing even approaches the Bible.
    It says of itself, “The word (God’s word) is faithful.” Eons of men and women who have STUDIED it, dug into it for its gems, put its directions to the test over a period of time and gotten a handle on its sweeping contents have not been disappointed in his/her expectations.
    If you decide to take up the quest you will want to get some tools to help in your studies.
    Obtain a good King James Bible for study, such as E. W. Bullinger’s “The Companion Bible” by Zondervan Publishing House in Grand Rapids, MI. Get an older “Interlinear Greek-English New Testament” by George R. Berry, PhD;; from Zondervan Publishing. Obtain a “The New Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance to the Old and New Testaments”; by James Strong,LL.D, STD.; from Thomas Nelson Publishers. Find a good lexicon such as “The Analytical Greek Lexicon” from Zondervan Publishing. Also, for ease of understanding and cross-checking yourself for accuracy get an older “The Amplified Bible”; also from Zondervan Publishing.
    You do not need to learn to speak Greek in order to understand what is there to be learned. Do learn the parts of speech common to all languages. Most theology students learn a form of Greek (Koine’ Greek) that the writers of the New Testament would not use. Most of the New Testament was FIRST spoken and written in Aramaic, the native language of Jesus and the apostles (except Luke). That was the vernacular, street language of the First Century Middle-Eastern region. Greek was spoken by some natives, Latin by the Romans. The Hebrews of the day had strong resistance to anything foreign. Hebrew was spoken in the Temple functions pretty much or was introduced later (talking about what is called “Hebrew” today).
    Do not rust most “Koine’” speaking ministers as having accuracy. Translation to Greek from Aramaic was commanded by Rome’s emporers because of the Roman infatuation for things “Greek” early in church history. Then the Aramaic Manuscripts were most likely destroyed. But, God revealed to the early translators how He wanted them to write it. So, the Hebrew Cultural influence was retained in the Greek. Those words and phrases are today called “Hebraiisms” that reflect Hebrew ‘s thinking and culture – not the Greeks. Study these things with that in mind.
    It seems awfully daunting. But, you can do it. If I can learn how to use these study materials so can you. “It’s required of a steward to be faithful”. Go at it with the knowledge that God wants you to know and keep a log of things you learn. Teach others what you learn and look for people or groups who can help you and fellowship with you, Don’t try to teach what you don’t know. Stay away from books called “commentaries.” Some are good but most are written by people supporting a denominational bias. Get a handle on the basic source material, the word of God, first. Professional clergy will try to cow you or put a bug in your brain. “Prove (in practical application) all things, hold fast that which is good.”
    If you can find somebody who can help you learn what works and what doesn’t hang on them like a burr. Ask God to help you every time you sit down with your books.

    I don’t need to wish you good luck. You’ll be too busy having fun, once you get the hang of it.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      There is still a great Bible study course on the radio/ internet THRU THE BIBLE with J Vernon McGee. It will take you thru the Whole Bible in 5 years and if you apply yourself to study the Word it won’t be a confusion or a puzzle to you. Check the site and find out what times it is broadcast in your area.

    • Vigilant

      Mike in MI says, “Get a handle on the basic source material, the word of God…”

      Then DON’T go to the Septuagint (OT) for guidance. The Greek work is filled with mistranslations and errors from the original Hebrew. Same for the NT version.

      The King James version is the most appealing to those who appreciate the elegant turn of the English phrase, but it too depended largely upon the faulty Greek translation of the Septuagint.

      The New Oxford Annotated Bible with the Apocrypha explains many of the mistranslations and more closely defines the original words of the Hebrew scholars who put the OT together.

      Again, stay away from the Greek translations!

      • James Heronime

        “snicker” Hebrew Scholars?? Ya mean pharacees?

      • Mike in MI

        Vigilant -
        What you say about the Greek (LXX) being full of errors is to a great extent correct. Also there were mistranslations brought into the different “families” of Greek NT manuscripts over the years. However, Greek is like German as a language. It makes an excellent scientific language because it is so accurate, well tied together with tight descriptors, prefixes, suffixes and the parts of speech can be pretty much shown which other parts of a sentence they belong to. Unlike English which progressive education has thrown to the wolves.
        I think they’ve done it on purpose so people have troubles communicating. Without that we’re a pretty sad lot. But worst of all – if people don’t like to, or can’t read, they won’t get anything out of the Scriptures. They’ll have real difficulty learning Truths or obtaining the benefits in their lives. Basically we’re kind of heading back to the Dark ages before Martin Luther, Wycliffe, Hus, Tyndale and all those guys elevated man out of the cesspool of ignorance brought down by the RCC in the Occident. Too bad for the West, it was not really like that so much in the Orient. But most of that history has been quashed.
        Anyway The Greek is a good language because you can tell where the copying errors or forgeries (in order to promote the trinity) were added or they made deletions.
        There aren’t many places where adjectives and other modifiers can go more than one way or to more than one word. But, theologians have not been terribly diligent about lots of things except doing things to promote their doctrinal preferences/heresies
        Pity, God gets blamed for it. But,He is smart enough to know where the best knowledge and believing of His word exists. And He responds to his truth when it’s operated and believed.

        Thanks for the honk back.

    • DaveH

      Mike says — “But I perceive from your post above that you are someone who is confused”.
      No Mike, Jeremy is not “confused”, sociopathic maybe, but not confused. Read the link in my second comment to see what I’m talking about.

      • Mike in MI

        Thanks, Dave. I’m very appreciative and already came upon your previous post revealing what Germy Locknutter is. ‘Tis truly good to have good friends at one’s back. Hope I can do the same or so for you sometime one way or another.

      • Karolyn

        Yeah, Mike, Dave the all-knowing.

      • Kate8

        As opposed to Karolyn, the simple. :)

      • Karolyn

        Not as simple as you might think, Kate. But I certainly don’t think I have all the answers like some people do.:-)

      • JeffH

        Karolyn, you’re just a hypocrit?

      • DaveH

        What’s your problem, Karolyn? I posted a link to back up my assertion. What, can’t spend enough time to read the thread I linked to at work? It seems kind of simple-minded to bash me when the proof is there for you to read.

      • http://none Claire

        JeffH–So totally off subject but I had to let you know. My Vinnie took a 4 point major yesteday morning, and little Abbey took a 4 point major on Saturday!!! Believe me, it was time for the good old Happy Dance!

      • JeffH

        Claire, HOO RAH! :) :) :)

      • JeffH

        Claire, have you heard from libertytrain? Haven’t seen any posts for quite some time. If you have, please say hi for me. Conrats…once again! :)

        I’m so happy for you and your “pups” success in the ring.

      • http://none Claire

        JeffH–I heard from libertytrain about 3 weeks ago or so. I have to send her an email–it will be a long one. She is a good person, and I will tell her you said hello.
        The dog show on Saturday was dedicated to my Bob. It was so nice of the club , and it made me cry all over again. And that was the day Abbey took Best of Winners. I won’t be entering any future shows for awhile. Tim’s surgery is upcoming and it scares me. It will be a tricky operation. Have a great day!

      • JeffH

        Claire, that’s very touching and a wonderful thing for them to do…I’m sure Bob was watching, proud and smiling.
        Stay strong and trust your compass!

    • Jeremy Leochner

      I can respect your views Mike. I will say that is not what I was taught. I was taught that there are certainly truths in this world. I was taught it is up to us to find them. I do not believe in god. But I do not despair. I believe there is right and wrong even without god. I do not believe it is up to us to decide or know what is right or wrong. I have done things I thought were right that were not. And I have done things I was hesitant to do that turned out to be okay. Just because one believes something is right does not make it so. I try to keep my views in perspective. From time to time I have had my views challenged and have had to change them. But I still believe in the lesson I was raised with. Treat others the way you want to be treated. Since I have a certain way I wish to be treated I try my best to treat others the same. I wish for people to respect my views even if they disagree and so I try to do the same. I respect your views Mike. I may disagree but I respect them, and I thank you for your concern.

      • Mike in MI

        Germy -
        You aren’t confused; that’s now evident. You’re just an agent of confusion, chaos and disturbance. A Pathological Liar with a bunch of big old spiritual worms sliding around under your skull plates.
        Father, You have protected him from their full influence heretofore. If he wants to keep them and likes their company, let them do their thing on and in Germy Flushman.
        Off with the leashes in the name of Jesus Christ.

      • Maynard

        Jeremy, thank you for your respectful attitude to those who chose to denigrate and amateurishly psychoanalize you. I also fall into the category of a non-believer in the Old Testament of the Bible which was written by self-centered, egomaniacal, ethnocentric, bellicose, fanatics who thought they had the right to treat other groups with no regard to their humanity. Note how in the Old Testament they frequently encouraged their warriors to take over other groups, divvy up the booty (including the women) and dispose of the males.
        Using the Old Testament is why we have thought it perfectly fine for our war machine to destroy innocent people and cultures around the world. To me there are no ‘chosen people’ and no evil, demonic people. There are only misguided people who do not chose to follow the Golden Rule, which you characterised when you said you treat others as you wish to be treated.
        True Christians should do as Christ directed and revolt against the Old Testament. This is why he was crucified. He taught us to love our neighbors and our enemies. He did not believe in everyone for himself and might makes right. He had a social conscience and was a believer in peace. Nowadays, that would make him a socialist and a pacifist. Both are fine with me. We do not live in a vacuum where we can ignore the poor, the ignorant, the young, the elderly, the sick, the halt or the lame.

        • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

          Dear Maynard,

          You write: “I also fall into the category of a non-believer in the Old Testament of the Bible which was written by self-centered, egomaniacal, ethnocentric, bellicose, fanatics who thought they had the right to treat other groups with no regard to their humanity.” You, sir, have a conundrum.
          Romans 15:4
          New American Standard Bible (NASB)
          4 For whatever was written in earlier times was written for our instruction, so that through perseverance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.

          2 Timothy 3
          New American Standard Bible (NASB)
          14 You, however, continue in the things you have learned and become convinced of, knowing from whom you have learned them, 15 and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All Scripture is [h]inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for [i]training in righteousness; 17 so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.

          You write: “True Christians should do as Christ directed and revolt against the Old Testament.” Please cite for me Scripture in which Christ directed his followers to “revolt” against the Old Testament.

          You write: “Nowadays, that would make him a socialist and a pacifist.” Poppycock!

          Best wishes,
          Bob

      • Kate8

        Maynard – You are yet another misguided liberal who has no idea what you are talking about. You cannot understand scriptures unless you know the true meanings. It even says “for those with an ear to hear”, and “for those not indwelt by the Holy Spirit, it will read like so much foolishness”.

        Yeshua never approved of government control over people. He was for freedom from tyranny. People who are not enslaved by government are very generous and charitable. Government only uses welfare as a way of plundering our earnings and gaining the votes of the recipients of such welfare, most of which goes into their own programs and pockets.

        When you try to use the Bible to make a case for your socialist ideology, you will get nowhere with people who understand it. You only make a fool of yourself.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        I am not lying Mike. Nor am I trying to spread confusion. I do not believe in god. Therefore my moral compass is based not on some outside judge but on inner guilt and responsibility. My parents drummed into me the maxim that I can do whatever I want so long as I can live with myself. My parents made a point to teach me that there is a reason why things are against the rules and that there is a reason they punish me when I break them. I was taught that just because I benefit from something does not mean others do not get hurt. That just because I get away with something I still have to live with what I have done and with the consequences of my actions. I was taught to judge myself and take responsibility for my actions. If I do something wrong it is my fault and no one elses. It is not the devil tempting me or god testing me. It is me myself making a choice. Sometimes I do wrong things thinking they were right. As they say the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Just because I think something is right does not make it so. There are things I think are right but sometimes I do not know what is right in the broad philosophical sense. All I know is to listen to my conscience. May sound corny but I really do believe in letting your conscience be your guide. But I try to honor religious traditions and institutions. I like reading the bible whenever I can. I think the stories in the bible are good lessons for people of all ages and should be encouraged. And I respect the holiness of churches and mosques and temples. Everyone has a right to their beliefs. As I wish people to respect mine so I try to respect others.

      • DaveH

        You were taught to take responsibility for your actions, Jeremy (aka Flashman)? Then take responsibility for whatever possesses you to have multiple personalities on this board.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        The reason is because I do not have multiple personalities Dave. Like I said I was taught to take responsibility for my choices. I have my beliefs and I choose to express them. As such I take responsibility for my actions by attaching my name to them. If I used names other then my own I would be violating one of my most cherished principles.

      • cbgard

        Carlucci here. This was a fantastic article by Bob Livingston. I’ve known about most of the subject matter for years, but did not know much about Bechamp. I will start reading more about that. I would also like to add that Dr. Spock was a big proponent of vaccinations which comes as no surprise. Prior to that, people would give their children cod liver oil to build up their immune systems (I still take it to this day and have not had a vaccination in 25 years).

        I must say it is wonderful to see the real truth consolidated in this article and to also read the comments from the posters that I miss so much (Kate8, Claire, Vigilant, Samurai & Sook, Old Henry, and many more). I work a lot and don’t get to read the newsletter every day, but I’m sure glad I saw this one.

        Keep up the good work, Bob Livingston. You rock – !

  • GALT

    The “answers” only raise more questions, Mr. Livingston……

    Your take on the role of “coinage”, gold and silver and copper, is precisely contrary to
    the available evidence……….it was what made the wars possible, which means you need to expand your reading to include Debt: The First 5000 Years, a.s.a.p.

    1000 years is a bit long for these elite’s to have had such control, so you need to shorten
    your time frame…….it is typically eurocentric in it’s bias, and europe is essentially irrelevant to world history, prior to 1500……….or later……..

    While it may have been true that “government” had it’s own agenda briefly, in the United States……..today, they are simply the “servants” to multi-nationals, who worship at the altar of capitalism, the final failure of “economics”…………

    Then there is that pesky little constitutional question: Where are the ( common ) law
    and equity courts?

    You got Bechamp right, so maybe you ought to expand on what you know………The Persecution of Gaston Naisson’s is an interesting volume……..if you can find it.

    Now I know that this will bring down the wrath of, actually I have no clue what to call
    those “waiting for the call”………..but since this is directed at you…….I leave you with:

    Best Wishes ( on your wishful thinking and continued misdirection )

    • speedle

      Galt says, “Xtrusom, Opsufyellswojlcmnowo@*(_+##$%), See?

    • DaveH

      For those who want to learn some truth. Gold money has historically constrained all despots and crooked financiers. That’s why they’ve worked so hard to rid themselves of such monetary constraints. Read these two books to learn some reality:
      http://mises.org/books/whathasgovernmentdone.pdf

    • DaveH

      And for those who want to learn why Capitalism (Free Markets, NOT Crony Capitalism) works, read this:
      http://mises.org/books/capitalism_kelly.pdf

      • GALT

        Please note the classic debate style…….von mises links are evidence while the list of books above is NOT……….btw how come you don’t have a von mises link for the common law and equity court question?

        How come you’re still paying all those unconstitutional taxes when you can stop at any time?

        http://www.supremelaw.org/authors/freeman/freeman4.htm

    • GALT

      Unfortunately REALITY requires evidence…..

      You may alter this lack of understanding at any time……..

      The Social Conquest of Earth
      Debt: The First 5000 Years.
      Power Inc.
      Extreme Money
      The Great Divergence
      Economic’s Unmasked
      Too Much Magic

      Just as you resist the implications of the simple question Where are the common law and equity courts?, as it applies to The Constitution…….

      That there is NO NOBEL PRIZE* for “economics” and therfore there are no Nobel Lauriets on this subject…….should also stimulate anyone intelligent into the mode of further inquiry……….after all, why would these supposed ‘prize winners” actually allow this misconception to continue……….

      This is similar to the question on the Constitution and the silence of Ron Paul and Judge Napolitano to address what is in fact the most direct way to restore what has been lost, and it is impossible for any Judge not to know this, so again we have a case of direct FRAUD……..which continues without missing a beat……..

      *It is the National Bank of Sweden Prize for Economics ( in memory of Alfred Nobel and announced on the same day ) which might be like the K.K.K.s annual Martin Luther King Award in terms of validity. ( think Blackford-Sholes )

      Von Mises is to economic reality, what Ptolomy was to heliocentrism, irrelevant.

      “A man must live by his work, and his wages must be at least enough to maintain him.
      They must even on most occasions be somewhat more: otherwise it would be impossible for him to bring up a family and the RACE of such workmen could not last beyond the first generation.”

      • DaveH

        Galt’s evidence –> Because I say so.
        I provide straight forward logic and evidence, Galt. You provide circular reasoning and double-speak. The readers know the difference.
        Does it scare you that people might read the suggested books, Galt, and know your statements are fallacious?

      • GALT

        That you choose willfull ignorance is of no concern to me, and you seem more afraid of my list of books……..and the EVIDENCE they contain…….you are here to HEAR what you want to hear………time will change that……….bye.

      • Maynard

        GALT, there is a Nobel Prize in Economics.

      • GALT

        No Maynard there is not……

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_Memorial_Prize_in_Economic_Sciences

        You can twist this anyway you want……..but there is nothing “scientific” about Economics,
        although you would think recent events would have been enough of a hint.

        The list of books above will open your eyes to many things you might believe to be true,
        Economics Unmasked is only 200 pages……

      • DaveH

        Science deals with narrow events that can be proven or disproven relatively easily. Economic theory deals with actions of human beings in the marketplace. And humans each have their own unique set of desires, needs, efforts, etc. The variables are so numerous that proving economic theory, no matter how valid, would be virtually impossible.
        However, I would take the word of an Austrian Economist any day of the week over the word of a Galt.

      • DaveH

        Here is another book that should be required reading for all the brainwashed minions in our country:
        http://mises.org/books/capitalism_kelly.pdf

      • GALT

        Yeah….imagine you’re on a desert island…….and catching two fish takes twelve hours…..and you build a net and catch 50 fish a day……which you don’t need…..and then magically other people appear………in short a stupid book……

        but in the spirit of Adam Smith’s imagine barter money credit…….of course, the history
        is precisely backwards…….reality is credit, money, barter…….

        protecting the little you have left…….Dave……..nothing sadder than a future victim who insists on being one…….economics fails on every level………..simple or complex……
        Malthus owns you now……as do the corporations………

      • GALT

        expecting you to actually READ a book is probably too much….so just for you….

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhbTMB6ehZY&feature=related

      • GALT

        and lest we forget…….free markets are unregulated with voluntary transactions……precisely the conditions that caused the crash………David has been asleep the last decade or four……..if he could ever get out of his own way……he might actually say something that made sense……….

  • MAP

    The left/right paradigm is a hoax as it relates to our two party system. Both parties are the puppets for the ruling elite and, therefore, pursue only one ideology. Mr. Livingston, you state, correctly, that these ruling elite are socialists. This shows that, outside the two party system, those that hold the reins of total power are leftists. One might ask why this is the case, but it is easily understood. One can not get very far in the usurpation of power if they rely strictly upon tradition, customs and history. These things are concrete and not easily avoided or side-stepped. No, for total control one must seize control of everything. This is easily accomplished if the foundation of belief is something chimerical, made up on the spot to justify anything. Even if such explanations defy human nature and common sense, a plethora of ‘reasonings’ can be pulled up from the thin air of imagination, invented to conceal the actual motive – insatiable greed and absolute power. By such methods, statism can be made a pseudo-religion. And those intoxicated by this new religion will bow down and worship the state as a god. It was through just such techniques that the most oppressive governments in the history of the world, the USSR and Red China to name but two, were created. Here human life held no value whatsoever. The feudal system was gentle in comparison to what the ruling elite plan for us.

    • Kate8

      MAP – Very well stated! I tried to express something similar above, and you said it so clearly and with far fewer words!

      Good job. Great post.

      • JeffH

        I felt both of you did a fine job! :)

      • MAP

        Kate8, thank you for the kind words.

      • Mike in MI

        K88 and MAP – I liked them, too. Well done…with one caveat -
        Statism is not a pseudo-religion. It is a full fledged bow down and surrender all…everything…like Mr. Livingston indicated above there is the requirement for blood sacrifice in their private inner sanctum. The Druids were real good at it. As were many of the Hebrews’ neighborhood Canaanite “sweeties”. Of course in this hemisphere one could observe the Maya and Aztec pagans and others where the most hideous tortures were enjoyed by the celebrants…not the least of which has always been the Devil, his entourage and cohorts.
        Today, it’s the Elites in their private bunkers and guarded mountain hideaways. But they want with a depth of desire and great fervor to be able to control all so they can move out into the open to the glory of their participant god…using their enemies as the focus of their vicious, animalistic blood-lust.
        Hebrews, Christians, political conservatives and the nation’s devoted defenders will go under the knife first in about that order – - – unless somebody takes this stuff seriously and stands with and on the Word of God which is the ONLY truly effective weapon and defense. Like it says in Ephesians 6 and other places “We wrestle not against Flesh and Blood,” ; “the weapons of our warfare are not carnal (in the senses , physical realm). The only text for wining the spiritual contest is the Bible, not General Tzu.

        There probably isn’t much time on the calendar, left. Right?

        It’s an individual learning process and walk. God ain’t gonna do it for you.

      • Kate8

        Mike – Yep, and yep. I’ve posted on the subject a few times, myself.

        And no, God doesn’t do it for you… He does it THROUGH you.

    • Robert Rashbrooke

      MAP,

      Do you see a difference between the governments of the USSR, North Korea, Germany, Argentina et al, and our own government, who has very possibly lied to we the people on EVERY occasion when it has decided to go to war against another nation. Pearl Harbour, Gulf of Tomkin, Grenada, Panama, Iraq all serve as examples of this duplicity in that the government wanted the population to believe that the cause was JUST when in fact it was always for the economic advantage of the US that the decision was made. The only time it was not dupicitous, Somalia, was quickly curtailed when it became evident that there was nothing to gain by continuing the invasion, despite it having been started on “humanitarian” grounds.

  • Vigilannie

    Thank you!! I only wish it hadn’t taken me so long to wake up to these facts!! I drank the Republican kool aide for far to long!! Ron Paul 2012!

    • James Heronime

      Right On Vig!

      • Deerinwater

        That’s good to hear, The GOP has deferred blame down to a science and serves it up 24/7

  • Publius

    What is your theory on race? Religion???

    • Kate8

      Publiua – I assume you are addressing Mr. Livingston. I also believe that is an inane question, given his stance of things in general.

      So, Mr. Publius, why don’t you tell us YOUR “theory” on race and religion? I’d love to hear it.

      • Mike in MI

        K8ey-y-y-y – Don’t be that way. If you hurt his feelings he’ll cry and run off yipping like one of those six inch high grizzlies women stick in their carpet (reusable, be green) bags.
        Can’t you just hear the snarl in his opening salvo across our bow? But, you send one right back down his smokestack. Love it; good shot, kiddo.

  • Warrior
  • dan

    Bob : imagine how the rubes that believe in the CONservatve-federalist / liberal-progressive dialectic would melt down if you explained the difference between
    legal and lawful or common versus admiralty law…..but small steps before walking.

  • Bill

    Right on, Bob
    Keep up the good work

  • http://survivingurbancrisis.wordpress.com Silas Longshot

    Well, Bob, I agree on several issues. ‘Democracy’, we are indeed NOT such a thing, but progressives for many decades have pushed that false idea. Remember that line in the pledge ‘and to the Republic for which it stands’.

    Gold and silver, spot on, the fiat currency of the fed can become worthless overnight, just like ‘dot.com’ stocks. We are teetering on the edge now, if the EU debacle finally collapses, we too will be dragged under. If we don’t sink our own boat first.

    Foriegn policy, we have troops in pretty much every nation on the planet. Why? Are we the world police? What thanks do we get? muslim terrorists, peeved because we left some footprints in their sand. Bring our troops home, defend OUR borders. If other nations want our ‘protection’ they can buy it from us. ‘Rent a cop, worldwide’

    Elietes do in fact control everything. Like the current elections, the eliete have chosen Romney and destroyed the rest in the public eye. Elections are like cutting off the left or right hand of the Frankenstein monster and replacing it with a new hand labled democrat or republican, but never getting to the head of the beast.

    Medicine, particularly big pharma, follow the money to find the cause. Why do people think there’s so much ‘negative’ publicitiy and actual harassment against ‘naturopaths’, vitamins, alternataive medicine? Harmful to people? No, but there’s no profit for the industry. If there’s vitamins, minerals or other supplements that would do the job, that cost pennies or isn’t patentable, then that kind of competition must be stomped out.

    Surviving urban crisis.

  • Vigilant

    Mr. Livingston says, “The vaccine myth is founded on the false germ theory. Vaccines are dangerous and are promoted by the elites for population control.”

    Perhaps you can explain how the polio and smallpox vaccines eugenically killed off millions. I, for one, am damned glad that I was administered those vaccines.

    • James Heronime

      You were vaccinated during a time where it was believed that our population would be a sustaining tax base to keep our country thriving and the work force needed a little help from 3rd world diseases. As it turned out, the compassionate liberals, unions, and racial diversity proponents pushed heavy amounts of welfare to the minorities so they would not require employment. Furthermore, illegal immigration is overlooked so that the petty laborers can be exploited and population control of whites are increased by moving huge numbers to the suburbs forcing white flight. This turns economic zones into ghost towns and the remaining population sits on welfare, the rest of the white population gets bred out. The demands for good paying white collar jobs have decreased, and welfare increased. Population has gone to urban sprawl and now, good vaccines are no longer needed. The slave population is increasing and the taxpayers have diminished so now it is time to do away with social security, medicare and other lat in life programs to polish off the baby boomers. All that remains are your kids and with the education they sustained, they will be easy picking when the next famine comes along and the Espanification of the US is complete……Silly?……I wish!

    • DaveH

      I believe vaccination resulted in a chronic illness that has plagued me throughout my life. I have no proof for such statement, but then neither do the vaccine administrators have any proof for their claims. Read this please:
      http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?p=534

      • DaveH
      • Kate8

        DaveH – I was a very healty young child (my dad grew all of our own food, and we got raw milk from a neighbor) until I was 6 years old. That was when they came to my school with the polio vaccine, after which I became very ill.

        I contracted pheumonia and rheumatic fever. They said it was a “bad batch” of vaccine. Other kids got sick, too, in varying degrees. I was sick off and on for the rest of my childhood.

        In my 30′s I began experiencing extreme, inexplicable muscle weakness, that would recur and be so debilitating that I could scarcely walk, often times being confined to bed. I was used to working out at the gym, so I should have been in good shape. This went on for many years, causing me terrible distress because I had to work. I’d come home and collapse on the sofa for the everning, and I’d have to spend a full day every weekend in bed to be able to get through the next week. And this was during my good days.

        I finally found an alternative European doctor who said it was vaccine induced, polio to be specific, and that he’d seen it many times. I had not told him about my vaccine history as, at the time, I didn’t even consider it important.

        He treated me and the muscle weakness went away, and has never come back.

        I wish I had known this when my children were born. I could have saved them similar health ravages due to vaccinations. Even my grandson suffers from the effects, even though he only had two rounds of them before his mom learned the truth. The newborn hep B vaccine almost did him in at the time of his birth.

      • Mike in MI

        DaveH – About that vaccine related injury and it’s problems.
        There are several courses of action to take to clear it. It is not going to happen all at once. The toxins are too dangerous to break out into solution in the blood and lymph fluids all at one time.
        Find a chelating clinic. There s one in Grand Rapids, MI called “The Born Clinic” started by a Dr. Born. It is on 52nd Street in the south end of town. They do good work and I have referred several people to them with good results. Of course it depends on what the nature of the injurious substance is. But if you’re interested in possibly ridding yourself of the trouble have them check you out. Start there.
        If you want more or other kinds of help or information click on a “Reply” to me, anytime. There’s lots more. Clear the toxin, clear the trouble, dysfunction, pain, whatever. It is important that your nervous system can work at optimum. Find a good chiropractor…one who has a way to let your brain tell him (by some sort of pretest. not x-rays) what your brain needs to have him do for it. Then, he should have a way ( again, without x-rays) to prove by test that he accomplished what your brain needed him to accomplish. Three adjustments at most. None of this worthless (worse than worthless) pounding on everything from stern to stem just to hear it “pop” – that means nothing andprobably isn’t a negative concern to the brain. Until they pop it, then it is a concern.
        I pray for you.

      • DaveH

        Thank you, Mike.

      • Kate8

        DaveH – As Mike said, chelation is really good for many things, and there are more ways of doing it now than in the past, when it was pretty much by IV.

        There are also some good homeopathic nosode treatments which work well to clear vaccine effects…that is mostly the route I went. Unfortunately, the doctor I worked with was killed, but there are others around. These days there are so many methods of vibrational therapies being employed that are very effective.

        My elderly sister did use chelation IV to recover from the ravages of vaccine poisoning, and it helped her tremendously. Mostly this helps clean out heavy metals, and we know that vaccines contain mercury. One too many flu shots did her in, and she nearly didn’t come out of it. She is now better than before, and she is in her 70s.

        Eating cilantro is good for eliminating mercury from the body. Also, you could get some zeolite, or even diatomaceous earth…both are fairly inexpensive, and remove heavy metals and toxic chemicals, and zeolite even removes radiation. These things are negatively charged particles, and they attract and bind the positively charged metals and toxic chemicals, carrying them safely out through the digestive tract.

        I wish you well in this endeavor, DaveH.

      • DaveH

        Thank you, Kate.

    • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston
      • Mike in MI

        Vig -
        You may be glad for the vaccine administration , but when we were going through the shot lines in U.S. Navy boot camp I saw that stuff kill some of my fellow boots and make many others very sick. Some it made really squirreley and others had to go to hospital.
        That crap is deadly. My own son had a terrible reaction and very high fever. I prayed all night for him and finally the fever broke. Today he’s 31 years old and no evident damage. God is able and faithful.
        Father built our body with a hugely powerful and flexible immune system. It is now known that many of those vaccines (especially when given to new borns before six months (( when the first t-cells mature)) cause chronic immune system and brain damage. Hurt one you hurt the other. Their functions are so close. Science wouldn’t even know what to measure so how would any of them know if something were wrong or not (unless it shows up very obviously). They’d deny and dispute it on “expert” grounds anyway.
        No, people need to learn how to feed themselves to keep their defensive systems in top order. People who do that don’t get sick. I don’t.
        Be careful what you let medics do. They make you sick just so they can treat you. $$$ Medical abuse is a fact in this country. That is why the costs are exploding so fast , but health isn’t expensive – chronic disease is. They’ve got lots of ways to make folks sick and fill the human bags with poisonous people potions from infancy to the final embalming project.
        ObamaCare will eventually cut you off from any natural options and tell the medics what they must do to you. Don’t expect good.
        We’re broke and the payments on the interest of the national debt are getting close to the national GDP. If that doesn’t alarm anyone you’ll die when reality hits you up side the head with a rifle butt or brass knuckles..

  • nc

    Mr. Livingston, what is more important to a “Christian” than the second coming of Christ? Yet so many devout Christians have predicted it “from the Bible” and it didn’t happen that now when a “Christian” annouces it is about to “happen” EVEN most other Chirstians yawn and say Yeah, Right! False alarms are a fact! Paranoid humans are a fact.
    Democrat-Republican “paradgim” is reality. We have had one or the other since 1860 and we will have one or the other in 2013. The fact that you can point out flaws in our government does not mean that it hasn’t provided a system of protection for it citizens second to none in the world.Have you checked to see just how many people in this country have assets that makes them considered ‘wealthy”. The number grows every year and the fact that your views on how to handle that have never had a prevalent place in our leadership might mean you should inspect the necesssity of some of your basic beliefs.
    As an adult just how long do you think it would take for your system to be totally implemented to “govern” our economic system in a manner you think it should be?? 4-8 years or longer? Would it isolate us from the world economy forever? Must we go back to the 1800s to start over?What percent of alleged conspiracies are proved in fact?

    • MAP

      NC, I will break a personal vow and respond to your post. Your post, like all your posts, merely attempts to refute and make nonsense of what is stated. You state, “our government … provided a system of protection for it citizens second to none in the world”. Do you truly believe this to be an accurate statement at the present time? If so, your opinion, I wager, is becoming a minority opinion. You have stated repeatedly that there is no tyranny at the present time in America, a statement that, I believe, a majority of Americans would dismiss as nonsense. But you are a liberal and a Democrat, which is two ways of calling you a statist. When your ‘group’ imposes an agenda on the opposing majority, you don’t recognize this as tyranny, but as progress. Therefore, I state you are thoroughly incapable of recognizing tyranny when it’s present. That is, you are by ideology unfit to determine what is , or is not, tyranny. Further, I believe you are a paid plant, a voice for the establishment. Your purpose here is to reinforce the imaginary world that masquerades as the world of reality. Your job is pure propaganda. In Orwell’s Animal Farm, you are one of the pigs. I rarely read your posts, as your posts are always a repeat of what comes out of Washington.

      • JeffH

        Ya think?

      • nc

        Map, have you checked the definition of tyranny! Is there anything more tyrannical than a government telling an adult citizen how they must subject there reproductive systems to the will of the goverment? An adult who has suffered the pains of life and may or may not be a parent of others must surrender that position to a hand full of brainless cells? Come to think of it that describes the people who would push for the control of anothers body and mental well being! The brainless cells of the conservative thinkers!!
        Like so many of the “absolute truths” you know, your “knowing” that I am a paid propagandist for ANYONE is pure bulls**t! I am a retired old man who came upon this site purely by accident when I received an e-mail because I had entered another conservative site to see what the ‘other side’ was saying! You know? Education through research! My bad! Education is not real big on your side of the ball! Conspiracies are!
        I have read my country’s history! I know something of the dark days of the Civil War and how we survived and GREW. I know something of the dark days of th depression of the 1930s and how we survived them and GREW. I know something of the other “low points” of our history and how we survived them and GREW. Your problem is that your babble of “true conservative” politics HAS NEVER BEEN A PART OF THE LEADERSHIP THAT PROVIDED THAT SURVIVAL AND GROWTH! IT WAS A FORWARD LOOKING PROGRESSIVE APPROACH THAT MADE US A GREAT NATION! WOULD YOU LIKE TO SUGGEST A NATION THAT HAS DONE IT BETTER????

      • MAP

        Well, then NC, I suppose I should apologize. If I were you, I would return those books and get my money back. Liberalism is by nature oppressive. And since you are a liberal, believing in the pseudo-god ‘progress’, you are not fit to judge what is, or is not, tyranny. I am a believer in limited government. I don’t look at it as a sword to slay the infidel and push forward a secular crusade. I don’t believe government is a device to make-over the world into what you believe it should be. I don’t believe in the phony ethical or moral basis behind political correctness. These things are the opposite of liberty. These are examples of tyranny.

      • Vicki

        NC writes:
        “s there anything more tyrannical than a government telling an adult citizen how they must subject there reproductive systems to the will of the goverment? An adult who has suffered the pains of life and may or may not be a parent of others must surrender that position to a hand full of brainless cells?”

        It would appear you might be talking about abortion rather than the bureaucrats that will be making health care decisions under obamaCare.

      • Wil

        NC-Would you deny that that pushing a depopulation agenda by brainwashing the gullible into believing in the genocide of millions of innocents as a matter of “choice” is,itself,tyranny? Not to mention that the original racial eugenics agenda is still in play. Yes,there is a reason that over 90% of planned Parenthood clinics are in minority neighborhoods.

    • DaveH

      NC says — “Must we go back to the 1800s to start over?”.
      No, we must not. We can start right now in the 2000s to regain the kind of Freedom that our educated Founders knew to be best for Mainstream Americans.
      I suspect that NC meant that statement to refer to Capitalism (Free Markets) to be a primitive condition. But in fact, Despotism is the primitive condition that has manifested in most societies throughout history. Freedom was a relatively rare event in history, and the kind of Freedom that our wise Founders established was arguably unique in history.
      NC argues that Government is responsible for our prosperity but gives no logical reason whatever for that belief. His statement is akin to attributing a rich man’s success to the leg he lost in war. We have prospered in spite of Big Government, not because of Big Government. And we would have prospered much more without Big Government draining our Financial Resources and inhibiting our productivity with needless myriad regulations.

    • cawmun cents

      Apparently n c either has not read scripture concerning the second coming,or chooses to ignore it.The second coming is unkown by any but God(the Father),so if you hear someone preaching that they know when that day will be,they are an(heretic).That is a simple rule we as Christians go by.Knowing the day that Christ will return would be tantamount to having free liscense to do as you pleased.For then you would know that quickly thereafter you could repent and be absolved of sin accrued after salvation.We are to remain holy and just though none of us will achive that in entirety,until Christ’s return.
      Of course if you do not know the Holy Spirit,this all seems like non-sense to you anyway,but I thought it bore stating,ere you think yourself wise and your question unanswerable.
      Cheers!
      -CC.

  • FreedomFighter

    Socialism and Communism have a long history of failure.

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

    • Deerinwater

      In that same vain , Capitalism hasn’t been exactly a huge success!

      • Vicki

        Other than Ancient Rome and Modern United States (Circa 1790-1999)

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4r0VUybeXY (go to about 8:20 in the video to find the discussion of Rome)

        And we should probably remember Hong Kong before it was taken back. China might well be moving toward Capitalism now too even as the US continues to run away from it.

      • http://www.CampMatecumbeVeterans.com Manny Gutierrez

        Capitalism has NOT been a success? C’mon! Wake up and stop defending socialism!

        • Deerinwater

          I see little need to defend anything really, ~ save for me and mine. I don’t play the “labels game” and more inclined to look for contend that I find ~ “agreeable”. Finding little interest in belonging to any club that would consider me as a member.

          Where your glory would be to die defending the Almighty in some drunken rage of blinded ego. ~ and just one reason why I love women so, they are survivors and don’t fall on their own sword over mindless drivel or anything to be more accurate but most willing to push matters to the breaking point.

      • cawmun cents

        Name another form of governance by which so many things have been invented.
        Not merely individual things.But hundreds and thousands of things.
        The truth is that you cannot because records in non-capitalistic societies are not often kept of who invented what.Or there are disputes as to who invented what.
        Your first inclination will be to provide me with an example of that in our nation…..not necessary,I am fully aware of these postulations and the growing disdain by which capitalism is held in by the educational elites.
        But you will still not be able to fully answer my question,as anything you might post will come from a dubious source,or be pasted from some place you think has relevant information.Considering that many governments where things were invented have changed between now and the time those things were invented,including our own.
        -CC.

      • DaveH

        We don’t have Capitalism, Deer. We have a mix of Capitalism and Socialism with the percentage of Socialism growing by the year. We did have some brief periods in our history where Government was small and stayed mostly out of the economy and our country was very successful. And though there was Crony Capitalism, in the late 1800s we had a mostly free economy, and the real rate of income growth among Mainstreet Americans was the greatest it has ever been in the US. For more info, read the book “A History of Money and Banking in the US” that I linked to above.
        How can you tell us Capitalism isn’t a success, Deer, without offering up some concrete examples of Capitalism’s failures where Capitalism really was practiced?
        I can give you plenty of cases where Socialism has proven to be a failure — North Korea, Cuba, Russia, China for starters. Any non-zealot can see from the following rankings, based on Economic Freedom, that the Bigger Government gets, the smaller the economy gets:
        http://heritage.org/index/ranking

        • Deerinwater

          I understand that David, ~ but none the less ~ that is what “they- We” are calling it. “Capitalism “. ~ It’s not usual to be fooled by cheap imitations. Bait and switch can be applied to anything some~ “one” wishes to sell.

          Look at Romney today ! what is he selling? The cure? while the disease is really what he offers?

      • Deerinwater

        Vicky say; “And we should probably remember Hong Kong before it was taken back. China might well be moving toward Capitalism now too even as the US continues to run away from it.”

        Rising waters floats all boats Vicky,

        I enjoyed Hong Kong, along with another investor , we introduced the first American fast food franchise to the Chinese back in 78. Lots of red tape and were very well received by a warm people.

        I’m really not certain of what everyone’s notions of Capitalism is. ~ I can’t help but think some of you are under some text book illusion.

        First you master something and then you do ~ whatever it is ~ that you have to do to stay in the game. Sometimes victory looks like defeat and sometimes defeat looks like victory and it’s not for the weak of heart or lacking of conviction.

        Not everyone has it in them to be a venture Capitalist. It was never intended to be so, it’s a blessed curse really. All you are actually doing is generating revenue that is shared by many by filling a need or desire and you are the last person to get paid unless you are lying, cheating and stealing.

        Much like an Ant ! You are moving “something” from point “A” to point “B” for an overriding purpose in the attempt to get beyond the hunter/gather stage.

      • Deerinwater

        cawmun cents says:
        July 16, 2012 at 4:13 pm
        “Name another form of governance by which so many things have been invented.”

        Point taken, but as I said, I refuse to be a part of some “labels game” . You can call it whatever you wish as long as it works to some degree. There is rarely a true “isms” but a mixture of many while it seems we are attempting to speak in absolutes while the labels fails to identify actual content.

        Mexico is a Republic for Christ sakes, ~ and that seems to be where we are headed. While I enjoyed life in Mexico until which time social order was disturbed by venture capitalist seeking the domination of markets. I would not subscribe that it is in most Americans best interest to follow suit.

      • Vicki

        Deerinwater says several interesting things in just this little indentation of the bigger thread.

        “I don’t play the “labels game”
        “Much like an Ant ! You are moving “something” from point “A” to point “B” ”
        “Not everyone has it in them to be a venture Capitalist. It was never intended to be so, it’s a blessed curse really. ”
        “While I enjoyed life in Mexico until which time social order was disturbed by venture capitalist seeking the domination of market”
        “Point taken, but as I said, I refuse to be a part of some “labels game” ”

        So Deer. Do you or do you not play the “labels game”?

        Words ARE labels. Well more precisely Labels are (usually) adjectives or nouns (note I just labeled a label :) ) but even verbs have been used for the function of “label”.
        http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/label

        3C looks to be the closest to how you might mean the phrase “label game” to be.

        c : a descriptive or identifying word or phrase

        You even gave us a bit of your interpretation of the meaning of some of those labels. Then at least for the label “venture capitalist” you gave us a rather interesting 2 of the many facets of it. (I only get 1 link per post so go to the dictionary for the definition of “venture capitalist” to compare to the facets given by Deer)

        Note for instance that the label “label” came with 5 main definitions so sometimes you have to use context as I did with “label” to decide which definition is intended.

        There are other labels that are not words.

        Here is one —> :)

        Typically it is called an icon. It is a label and provides a set of information just as a word label does. To communicate with other people you pretty much HAVE to play the “label game”. If you feel that someone has miss labeled something then look up the definition and then see if they are using the word correctly.

        Don’t fall into the trap of trying to not play the “label game” as that is a label used to try and suppress communication between people. Just like the label “racist” is used currently by people to suppress communication about the mis-adventures of some of our (here comes another label :) ) more infamous LEADERS (/wave Eric H).

        • Deerinwater

          Point taken, while “label” are not just words, but “nouns and pronouns”, names of specific “things” . ~ When we adulterate and misuse words, communication is indeed lost.

          To me, words are paint and a blank page canvass. But enough of that!

          Pro-life can’t be pro-life and support the death penalty. That is mislabeling.

          A conservative administration that commits Americans to spending 7 Trillion dollars without offering forecasted returns is not a Conservative administration. That is mislabeling.

          The original Tea Party had more then one purpose while their true intention not openly discussed. The call was “taxation without representation” while the conflict and intent ran much deeper. That was mislabeling.

          Today’s Tea Party does much the same, ~ with claims of defending the Constitution and personal liberties while attempting to install their notions of God into our government and restrict personal freedoms, that is mislabeling.

          The frontal approach didn’t work out so well, so they are now using the side door.

      • Deerinwater

        Point taken Vicky, Perhaps I should have said, ~ I don’t attempt to play some game of mislabeling to argue a point of contention.

      • Vicki

        Deerinwater says:
        “Point taken Vicky, Perhaps I should have said, ~ I don’t attempt to play some game of mislabeling to argue a point of contention.”

        Agreed. And mislabeling is rather a key point in that video I keep posting. The left/right political spectrum. They go into detail about what is mis-labeled and sometimes why.

        Here it is again so other readers don’t have to search for it.
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4r0VUybeXY

  • http://www.therighttofightback.com Erwin

    I agree on many points and especially that the US is not a real democracy, on the other hand there is no country on this planet that is a real democracy. They all sell the same product, but they change the packaging.. What about real democracy or a direct democracy ? (with a digital identity card and the internet, real democracy is possible on a lot of topics, let the people vote and decide, not the parties.
    And I am sure that vaccination was invented by a student of the British surgeon John Hunter in the 18 th century (small pox vaccine), that is one century before Pasteur.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Hunter went into historical obscurity but we keep the memory of Pasteur alive.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      There is no such thing as “real” democracy or direct democracy. As soon as ideological movements come into existence they are redirected by persons to benefit themselves power and perks.

      • http://twitter.com/therighttofight macktheknife (@therighttofight)

        I sadly must agree with your comment. On the other hand we could debate the meaning of “real democracy” and jump into a Wittgensteinian discussion.

    • Vicki

      A “real” democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Not the sort of government you would want if you were not a wolf.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4r0VUybeXY (start about 4:55)

      • http://twitter.com/therighttofight macktheknife (@therighttofight)

        Ok, I watched the video and I understand your point and my point is that I do not like the idea of democracy myself, but I wanted to touch the subject, because there is a tendency to bring “democracy” to the world, they do not say: “we bring you a Republic”, maybe they want to say just that … or they say one thing and mean another.
        Erwin.
        (I used another login, because I am on another computer).

      • DaveH

        Mack,
        Our leaders are NOT trying to bring Democracy to the world. They are trying to bring Democracy to our country by repeatedly implying that it’s a good thing at the same time as they are really just meddling in other countries’ affairs for the good of the Crony Capitalists. With Democracy, there is no protection for the minority from the majority. Our Founders knew that and they tried to protect us, but the reality of life is that Leaders are always pushing for more Power and they usually succeed because the average person just isn’t up to the task of staying informed and vigilant. The Leaders and their Cronies have won up to now, and I seriously doubt that we can wake up enough citizens to stop them.
        Also, it is much easier for media to brainwash a raw majority of people than it is to brainwash enough people to subvert a Republic.

      • Vicki

        macktheknife. As the video points out, people mislead / are misled into believing that America is a democracy. This is done to weaken and confuse. As explained in the Video The Roman Empire was for a time a Republic and then fell into a Democracy when then collapsed into an oligarchy. Our founding fathers had many times stated the dangers of democracy.

        For those who would subvert the Republic and its built in safeguards what better way than to convince people over time that we are a democracy. Since a democracy always collapses into an oligarchy what better way to take over a republic if you don’t want to do it with war.

        • macgyver1948

          Vicki… The Roman Empire also evolved into something for their survival that is still pretty big today. Different name but similar clothing and for centuries they had very much the same old attitude.

          Yes, the Founders were not so much into a pure Democracy which is why they created a representative republic with Democracy over tones. They were also very fearful of Corporations and they said so with a vengeance and put into place protections for us which were whittled away over time but the corporations through the politicians they purchased. They also said “We The People” should take the government back if we do not like how it evolves. Legally it is our Government and not the other way around.

          Big Corporate money in government is what has been a major factor when it comes to destroying America. The Founders knew and said so in so many ways…

          For example: “I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country.” – Thomas Jefferson

          I just love that quote, :-)))

  • Tom Cook

    Bob, sometimes your mistrust of medicine becomes a little scammy and weirdo wiccan. I also am suspicious of immunization since there was no autism and almost no asthma when I was a kid; however, I remember worrying about getting polio and some kids disappeared from school and now polio is almost unheard of. I believe that all “medicine” is toxic and I do not take any although my personal physician thinks I should be on metformin like all older adults. Psychiatry is almost totally bogus–like chiropractic and most “alternative” medicine which is just charlatanry. Queers are sick. There are some obvious truths. The fact is we are not sicker–we are weller and getting bigger and stronger and faster and smarter secondary to great medicine and nutrition. Medicine is just like law and morality and everything except religion which is absolutely bogus, (I refer you to George Carliln: “Religion is (expletive deleted)” everything is relative. There is only one unalterable truth: liberals are douchebags.

    • DaveH

      Polio is now unheard of? I think not:
      http://www.wellwithin1.com/pol_all.htm

      • DaveH

        Something else to think about:
        http://www.vaclib.org/basic/polio.htm

      • Catherine J Frompovich

        Polio is ‘alive’ and thriving due to and from polio vaccines being given to children in developing countries, e.g., Nigeria, India, Pakistan, etc. I will not supply links, as I want readers to do some homework and check out that to prove me ‘wrong’. You will be utterly amazed at what you discover. What you really don’t know, really will hurt your sense of well being, as ignorance sometimes really can be bliss.

    • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

      Dear Tom Cook,

      You write: “Bob, sometimes your mistrust of medicine becomes a little scammy and weirdo wiccan.” You are brainwashed by conventional wisdom.

      You write: “I also am suspicious of immunization since there was no autism and almost no asthma when I was a kid;…” Rightfully so, but… see above.

      You write: “however, I remember worrying about getting polio and some kids disappeared from school and now polio is almost unheard of.” See my response to Vigilant above.

      You write: “The fact is we are not sicker–we are weller and getting bigger and stronger and faster and smarter secondary to great medicine and nutrition.” http://personalliberty.com/2012/05/28/full-belly-starvation/
      http://personalliberty.com/2012/05/14/the-lies-youre-told/

      You write: “religion which is absolutely bogus” Organized religion, yes. First Century Christianity, NO.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

  • roger gunderson

    Most people agree that our country is headed in the wrong direction, but most people don’t actually know what to do about it. We keep doing the same thing year after year hoping for change- but samo-samo. Voting democrat or republican matters little.

    • JeffH

      roger, it’s more a case of some people not having the guts to take a stand and take the risks needed to cause change…ie, afraid to risk and possibly lose everything despite the knowledge that their financial well being, freedoms and liberties are at risk now as well as for future generations.

  • Louis Lemieux

    We do have a democratic government, albeit not a perfect one; and, those who say we don’t have a democratic government and still exercise their right to vote are people with enigmatic thought processes.

    • Kate8

      Louis – Democracies are forerunners to tyrannies.

      We were given a Republic. Where have you been?

      • Vicki

        He obviously has not watched

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4r0VUybeXY :)

      • Louis Lemieux

        “Democracy is a political system based upon the concept of ‘rule by the people’, as referring to people categorized as citizens of a society, who have been designated the right to hold some form of political power. Two major types of democracy are direct democracy and representative democracy….
        Democracy is often confused with the republic form of government. In some definitions of ‘republic,’ a republic is a form of democracy. Other definitions make ‘republic’ a separate, unrelated term. Equality and freedom have both been identified as important characteristics of democracy since ancient times. These principles are reflected in all citizens being equal before the law and having equal access to legislative processes. For example, in a representative democracy, every vote has equal weight, no unreasonable restrictions can apply to anyone seeking to become a representative, and the freedom of
        its citizens is secured by legitimized rights and liberties which are generally protected by a constitution.“–Wikipedia

        The reason people vote is because they feel they have some power of decision on the kind of country they want. Why do you vote? If you don’t vote and you want things to change, your only option would be violence.

      • Vicki

        “If you don’t vote and you want things to change, your only option would be violence.”

        False. 4 boxes have we. None are violence. One is effective at resisting violence. Thousands of years of history to prove the case.

        1 – Soapbox (what we are doing here is an example)
        2 – Ballot box (we remove it from the set for a moment to satisfy the term ” didn’t vote”
        3 – Jury box (Jury Nullification http://www.FIJA.org)
        4 – Ammo box

        Liberals and such will immediately claim that number 4 is violence despite my warning above. They would be in error. The ammo box gives us the power to say NO to those who would force us to do their bidding. Many thousands of years of history is ample proof.
        Citizens have tools of defense, Slaves depend on their masters for defense. It’s really that simple.

  • Hey you

    You’re correct, Roger. We do the same thing and expect different results. I think that there’s a classification for that concept.

    Seems that we are hoping that voting will provide an escape for the excesses of democracy (which are proven to be, over time, disastrous). It just won’t happen.

  • Steve

    If the ‘liberal media” made a statement such as yours “Are you paid by the gold sellers to push gold? No” it seems you would likely call them out for being disingenuous. You are in fact paid by the gold sellers to push gold. Your stance is very likely how you feel and you would likely do it even if you didn’t get paid, but you do get paid for and because of it. I don’t see that as a bad thing. Lots of businesses pay people who have a public voice that supports their business. You need money to live and run the site, they need to advertise for sales and you both seem to believe in the product. The answer to the above question is clearly a yes. The answer to the implied question “Do you promote gold because you are paid by the gold sellers?” I’m guessing would be “no” you do it because you believe in the product and they advertise here because you are of a like mind.

  • Catherine J Frompovich

    Apparently I opened a hornet’s nest of thinkers of many persuasions and misconceptions with my article, My Conscience Speaks. Why are some calling for my not writing for PLD? Aren’t you doing the very same thing you are supposed to be opposed, e.g., denying me my First Amendment rights? Are you really concerned about personal liberties? I suggest an examination of conscience.
    However, ALL ought to consider seriously what’s really going on within geopolitical circles, especially in Paraguay, as discussed in the article in the link below. The U.S. news media apparently IGNORES such stories and, in my opinion, thereby contribute to the loss of personal freedoms in our country and, in essence, ‘hands them over’ to both corporations and big government, as Mr. Livingston discussed. It seems Bob Livingston and I are on the same page, but many readers, as far as I can determine, may be in lala land when it comes to sorting out the apparent facts of what’s really going on. http://www.naturalnews.com/036486_Monsanto_Paraguay_impeachment.html

    • MAP

      I enjoyed your article. I thought it very well thought-out and well delivered. You thoughts on the Federal take-over of schools was right-on and matches an article by a researcher at Modern Age. It destroyed entire communities, especially black communities. Keep up the good work!

      • Catherine J Frompovich

        Thank you, MAP. For those who are so concerned about my not voting in the 2008 elections, or others who exercised their constitutional right not to vote–voting is not mandated by law in the USA as it is in Australia. Perhaps PLD readers ought to know, realize, and ‘process’ within their consciences the fact that millions in the conservative camp also did not vote in 2008!

        Ralph Reed, a conservative darling, says “Some 17 million Evangelicals failed to vote in 2008 when Democrat Barack Obama beat the GOP’s John McCain — and now the fight is on to get them there this November, Faith and Freedom Coalition founder Ralph Reed says.” http://freedomismist.blogspot.com/2012/06/ralph-reed-17-million-evangelical-votes.html

        PLD readers, what say you about that? Didn’t a conservative faction exercise their right to not vote? From what I hear, numerous people also are talking about doing that very same thing in 2012–not voting. Why? Because, as Mr. Livingston astutely pointed out, both parties are the same TweedleDee and TweedleDum! That’s something, in my opinion, that party loyalties and politics–both Republicans and Democrats–have yet to wake up to, smell the coffee about, and do something to correct. In the meantime, we keep losing our God-given rights to Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.

        “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.” [Declaration of Independence, July 4, 1776]
        “Please don’t interfere with mine,” is what everyone should be insisting, yet we don’t!

    • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

      As the Founders were writing the constitution, they were interpreting the words from a moral stand point. They never imagined it would be interpreted anyother way. That goes for the first amendment. We have Legalism, Liberty and License. Liberty can only be had by a moral person, it’s a gift of God, but we’re giving license to our liberties and our interpertations to the extent anything goes. As we do Legalism is creeping into our lives, Laws, Laws and more Laws. God has his creation covered in any way you can think of.

  • speedle

    Bob, I am riding shotgun with you on most of your journey, but I think there are times when you get a little sleepy and veer off the road. You have identified the source of most of our troubles as a mysterious organized cadre of “rich families” as Malthusian despots. You could just as easily place the blame on the Benevolent order of Elks or the Free Masons or the British Royal family. Any of these choices would have been irrelevant other than the fact that they are “organized”, and that is something that these rich “Malthusian despots” are not. They are not any more organized than members of your local country club. Sure they wield some power and influence individually and to a lesser extent collectively (if they happen to agree on something). But I am sorry – they are not the source of the worlds’ problems.

    The conflict in the world is certainly between those that wish to be free (and are willing to accept the price and the rewards thereof), and those that wish to control (supported by useful idiots who are afraid to face life on their own). It’s really pretty simple and always has been. One can attach labels for one side or the other (Conservative/liberal, right/left, etc.), but it all boils down to people wanting to dominate other people through organized government vs. those who resist. The same things go on in all cultures (ones far removed from the influence of the “Bilderbergs”), and have since the beginning of society (long before the “Bilderbergs”.

    You have morons and head cases posting on this site (which is fine – that’s what free speech is all about) that misinterpret half the things you say, and take them to the extreme (like the lynch mobs in old western movies who get liquored up and want to take part in something). Then you have those who are just brick stupid that have been educated by the post sixties academia that still thinks it’s all about the evil capitalists and free market supporters vs. the Proletariat. They can only be pitied..

    But in the end what it all boils down to is not good vs. evil, but rather the freedom lovers vs. the controllers, and everything in between is simply a tactical battle to win the eventual war (one battle at a time). That means figuring ways to solve the problems of the federal reserve, bloated entitlements, national debt, and yes, how we should be dealing with foreign governments both trade wise and conflict wise. In any scenario, if the cause of individual freedom wins over statism, we can solve the rest of our problems.

    • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

      It’s been said, if you go through life leaving the world having contributed one better, person that’s a miracle in itself. God looks at man as an I not a we The “Devil made me do it” won’t cut it when people are face to face wih the living God.

  • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

    Until I found your website, I was voicing my opinion on one other websites. The other was catering to clones of their own opinion, to the point where I found myself either saying what he wanted me to say or——. Your website is just what America needs to read. It enlightens people, it educates people. I share your view being a Libertarian but when the Libertarian Party adopted abortion and prostition into their party platform I for one had to depart. Bob the story is told about Alexander Solzyenyetsin, please excuse the spelling, the author of The Gulag Archipelago. He was contempating suicide while in prison and a jailer talked him out of it. That life was saved and is credited for bringing the Iron Curtain down. Your website touchs lives and you never know who. I’m into guns and wish I made different turn with my life.

    • DaveH

      American, you say — “when the Libertarian Party adopted abortion and prostition into their party platform”.
      It sounds as though you think they promote either. They don’t. They simply don’t believe that it is Government’s business to get involved in those issues. If your God doesn’t approve, let him decide the punishment.
      There aren’t many people who revere life like I do. For instance, I trap spiders and take them outside rather than killing them. The same goes for pesky kangaroo rats which get into my garage. Rather than killing them, I live-trap them and take them out into the distant woods. But I wouldn’t dream of imposing my life-choices on other people using Government as my bully boys. That’s the difference between Libertarians and others.

      From the Libertarian Party Platform:
      http://www.lp.org/platform
      “1.4 Abortion
      Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can hold good-faith views on all sides, we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration.”

    • Deerinwater

      The Christian American says; in summary statement “Your website touchs lives and you never know who. I’m into guns and wish I made different turn with my life.”

      “Hmm? What do you think about that Mr. Livingston? It sounds as if some liability has been thrown your way.

      I can’t get a read on such a statement.

  • http://www.halfstaffamerica.com Rick

    Roger is Right on the money. Don’t expect a Washington solution because there isn’t one. Only a changing of who controls the people. The founders knew this and set it up so that sovereignty belonged not to a country or a state, but to the people (read the book “Nullification”). The constitution is meaningless because it is manipulated to fit agendas. The supreme court is merely just another branch of the parties and NOT grand overseers of the constitution. They are grand Manipulators of it. Thomas Jefferson realized after the enactment of the constitution that it fell short of any enforcement of accountability. The only power the people possess is in Unity of Spirit. Unfortunately, just as Stalin and many before and since have implemented the tactics of “divide and conquer”, we too have been controlled and manipulated the same way. Power grabbing control freaks must have great division among the people in order to maintain control. They fear great Unity of Spirit in an organized movement more than anything. Look at how the Tea Party movement got scattered out into so many different groups and divisions. Their goals are consistent, but the thrust of strong unity has been scattered and weakened. This was not by accident. We must remove the power of taxation from Washington. Without it, what do they have as tools to control and manipulate? It was meant to be at the State level for the most part anyway. Washington has adulterated the American system through the control of the tax system. Washington’s role as a central gov must be knocked down and redefined. The States must oversee, control, and set the budget of the central gov. The States will do all tax collection and then fund the fed with a percentage of their GDP. This is the only way to keep the fed on a short leash. This of course would need to be defined in greater detail, and yes there is still a lot of corruption and problems at the State level that would need to be addressed, but that would be an easier task for we the people to keep a handle on… Just The Way I see it!!

  • http://www.CampMatecumbeVeterans.com Manny Gutierrez

    Mr. Livingston:
    The ruling elites of Malthusian despots you refer to has been working hard to destroy Christianity for over 2000 years. Their first goal is to erase God from our lives, which means attacking any God-given rights and charitable thoughts. A secondary goal is to control with absolute dictatorial powers all human endeavors.These elitist satanists – modernly mistakenly called socialists and collectivists – are made up of members of the Illuminati, 30+ degree FreeMasons, international bankers and a host of fellow travelers that have no morals and no scruples.
    Any individual or media source that promotes or supports globalism, socialism or outright Communism is – or should be – suspect and not trusted. Anyone supporting big government is in the same boat. Our Christian Constitutional Republic was founded on States’ rights and individual responsibility, and anything that goes against these principles is working toward our destruction and NOT “for the people” as so many demagogues claim.
    “By their words you shall know them!”

  • CherokeeDan

    This article merely confirmes what I already believed about Libertarians. I agree with much of the philosophy but, where I disagree, I disagree so stongly that I could never call myself a Libertarian. It;s great that we still have freedom of thought (at least for now).

    • Nadzieja Batki

      You will always have freedom of thought. It is the Freedom of Speech which can be curtailed by bullies and thugs and governments and it can be done by religion that is not based on the Holy Scriptures (Bible).

    • DaveH

      Dan,
      Make sure you know what it is you are disagreeing with. Bob said himself that he is NOT a Libertarian. But before you go too far in disagreeing with the Libertarian philosophy, make sure you know what that philosophy really is:
      http://mises.org/books/newliberty.pdf

  • HKaufman

    America has the right to voice an opinion as well the writers on Personal Liberties. Right of freedom in speach written or voiced does not mean they have the right to matriculate disparaging Rhetoric against anyone, be they white,black,brown,purple polka dot. Crap Rhetoric like this comment:—-> Oblameo. There are a lot of vehicles to express opinion with out the a name callingwhich is a heart beat short of SLANDER… I dont agree with some of the PHILOSPHY in Washington, that does not grant me Carte Blanche to ridicule,disparaging hate bias and bigotry that some of the readers post, If one does not like a person and political standpoints, move on to another topic. EX: dont like a movie, walk out and go elsewhere.

    • Vicki

      Actually we DO have the right to say things like you describe. They are not slander no matter how close. That fine line between slander and free speech is where lawyers make their money (See link below).

      Since we are however using freedom of the press here if there were any slanderous statements, they would be libelous not slanderous.
      http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Libel+and+Slander

      • JON

        That’s right! We have the freedom to express ourselves. It’s unfortunate the lack of civility you seem to have towards others who may have a difference of opinion or thought on an issue is very sad.

        I’m wondering if you’re just as rude and condescending to others when talking to them face to face? I would think most people would tell you to shut the hell up, slap you, or walk away in disgust. Do you use the anonymity of the internet to share your brand of cowardliness?

  • jim capy

    Livingston is right when he points out the corrupt system that creates wars for profit. Ron Paul the only candidate that illuminated our madness is fighting wars has left us destitute and in irreversable debt. What are our choices Obama or Romney. No choice as far as I’m concerned!

    • Wil

      At best,Marxist fascism vs. Corporatism. Not much difference there.

      • Vicki

        Wil says:
        “At best,Marxist fascism vs. Corporatism. Not much difference there.”

        Following my own good advice to deerinwater above.

        Marxist (Marxism)
        “the political, economic, and social principles and policies advocated by Marx; especially : a theory and practice of socialism including the labor theory of value, dialectical materialism, the class struggle, and dictatorship of the proletariat until the establishment of a classless society ”

        Note: Dictatorship OF the proletariat not BY the proletariat. In other terms Slave Masters dictating what the slaves (proletariat) do and get.

        Fascism
        “often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition ”

        Corporatism
        “the organization of a society into industrial and professional corporations serving as organs of political representation and exercising control over persons and activities within their jurisdiction ”

        I see a really big difference. Corporatism doesn’t put a government agents gun to your head and force you to buy health insurance.

        • truesoy

          Vicki;

          It is true that corporations do not put a gun to your head to force you to buy health insurance; but on the other hand, corporations can deny you to buy health insurance.

          Sincerely,
          Truesoy

          • macgyver1948

            Truesoy…. Just to offer an example to support. I worked for Walmart for several years. I knew many Walmart associates who had to turn down the insurance because they couldn’t afford any more payroll deductions. With Walmart bragging to Government and the news how proud of the great insurance they were offering at such great rates but inside they were pissed at those who turned it down. Of course they were pissed but they are the execs and they don’t know what it takes to live on the salaries so many of their associates have to live on. Go figure, millionaires many times and not knowing?

            Hi Mitt, :-))).

          • truesoy

            macgyver1948;

            I hear you, and I will add this is the real death panel, when you are forced to put your health, totally, at the hands/whims of a CEO. But many people, specially the ardent supporters of the present insurance system don’t realize it, and therefore they are opposed the health care reform.

            Sincerely,
            Truesoy

      • Vicki

        truesoy says:
        “It is true that corporations do not put a gun to your head to force you to buy health insurance; but on the other hand, corporations can deny you to buy health insurance.”

        No they can’t. Go out and buy it on the open market (if you can find an open market now that obamaTax is the law). Government CAN deny you health insurance and plan to. They can cause they have guns and laws and fools.

        • truesoy

          Vicki;
          Your asertion about health insurance is wrong.
          For one Obama health careform will open a market that was not there before. Just remember that because there is the appearance of an open market now, it doesn’t mean it is. You have to understand that the price of insurance closes the maat market to most working people. You also have to qualify as per the insurance industry requirements, or you’ll be declined.
          You also have to keep in mind that insurance is a product that can only make money to the producer only when the consumer does not use the product, and therefore it is not consumer friendly product, nor practical.
          Let me ask you, if FedEx and UPS could only turn a profit on packages not delivered, would you buy their services? You wouldn’t. So why do it for your health?

          Sincerely,
          Truesoy

      • Vicki

        macgyver1948 says:
        “Truesoy…. Just to offer an example to support. I worked for Walmart for several years. I knew many Walmart associates who had to turn down the insurance because they couldn’t afford any more payroll deductions. ”

        Example fail. Walmart did not force the associate to turn down insurance. The associate could go out and buy their own outside of Walmart’s plan. Now I did note that you said the associate said they couldn’t afford any more payroll deductions.

        Deductions like SS and Income Tax etc? All conveniently going to GOVERNMENT? So if you are going to claim they could not afford insurance blame GOVERNMENT for taking so much of their income in payroll deductions.

        • truesoy

          Vicki;

          Government can’t be blame for the lack of affordability faced by wage earners when wanting to buy health insurance. Did you know that the average policy for a family costs approx. $1500.00 per month (18000.00 per year), and it could be even higher depending on where the insured lives?
          How many people can afford that, and only under the assumption you won’t be declined, either because of a pre-existing medical condition and/or another reason.

          Sincerely,
          Truesoy

      • Vicki

        If you think that is expensive wait till you see what obamaTAX is going to do to your rates.
        http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/2012/03/22/how-obamacare-dramatically-increases-the-cost-of-insurance-for-young-workers/

  • Old Henry

    Thank you bob. I have been around for a while and “get it”, but it is nice to see it all put together comprehensively.

    I am sure it has helped the “newbies” greatly.

  • Wil

    Bob,thanks for explaining things,and you are right on the money on so much.
    I know I’ve misunderstood a few things myself,while waking up to reality and struggling to get outside the dialectic.Your answer then helped me to better understand the left-right paradigm.
    Just out of curiosity though,do you think doing away with political parties altogether would help?It seems to me that without party lines,voters would have to make an effort to research the candidates,and would at least lead to more intelligent voting.

  • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

    ALL BLOGS ARE SUPPOSED TO REPRESENT THE VIEWS OF THEIR OWNERS. EVERY TIME I OPEN A PAGE ON THIS SITE, I SEE THE WORLD ACCORDING TO, Bob Livingston.

    OTHER COMMENTERS SEEM TO THINK THERE IS TOO MUCH COMMENTARY FROM THE OPPOSITION. THIS OPPOSITION INDICATES Mr. Livingston HAS A SUCCESSFUL BLOG. PEOPLE WOULD NOT “CLICK-ON” THE Personal Liberty LINK IF ALL PARTICIPANTS HAD THE SAME VIEWS.

    AS A NEGRO MALE, I LIKE Mr. Livingston’s ARTICLES OF NEGRO INTEREST – LIKE, THE Shabazz MILITIA IN FLORIDA, NEGRO STUDENTS MAKING POOR GRADES IN SCHOOL, ETC.

    PROOF OF POPULARITY IS PROVIDED BY THOSE OF US WHO FREQUENTLY PARTICIPATE ON, Personal Liberty.

    CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

    • Vicki

      Since you have lower case letters in your comment you know what the caps lock and shift keys are for. So why are you YELLING?

  • Andy

    It is sledom that such truth is so blatently express on a website. The medical industry is in deed in bed with politics and the insurance companies. One racket designed to keep those at the top in power, totally lacking in humanity.

    I have been exposing this truth for several years not and many people refuse to open themselves up to the posibility that our medical system is so askew. I do not and will not use our healthcare system for any illness. Trauma care or life threating emergency I will. But if I am sick, fresh squeezed lemon juice mixed with equal parts of pure maple syrup and 4 or 5 thousand mgs of vitiman C will take care of most anything. If I were really sick I would add 25,000 international units of vitamin D along with some fat so it can be absorbed by my body. No doctor will tell you this because it will put them out of business!

    • Vicki

      Must be your choice of doctor. When I was sick last winter he sent me home with 5000IU vitamin D and told me to take 4 a day with meals.

  • Rt

    What is your stance on the United Nations and our country’s involvement with this, the main culprit of why and how each president is allowed or able to circumvent our Constitution. You make a lot great points but never address our involvement in this entity as the true problem not only in our country but the whole world as far sovereign nations are considered. After all the ruling elite that have ruled the world for 1000 years as you say conceived first the League of Nations which Congress voted overwhelmingly against, only to be later morphed into the United Nations in which only 2 reps voted against it. After studying the UN Charter written by one communist spy Alger Hiss, who was a US congressman at the time. I realized the charter really is a War Charter rather than Peace Charter as it was claimed to be. As I believe the attack on humanity is outlined in section 2, giving the UN power to start conflicts when and wherever they see a need to advance their agenda. Every War we are experiencing was conceived from the UN Security Council, as our country has never officially declared a war. 150 million plus humans have been exterminated on the UN watch, and they tout themselves as a humanitarian group. Until we get our nation out of this heinous group of communists and socialists nothing of the afore mentioned can be rectified. In fact most of what we are upset about as citizens, comes from the Council on Foreign Relations another Marxist, socialist entity then through the UN the proposals are made to present legislation through our Government which in turn allows for a scapegoat to defer attention from these entities and put our country and it’s citizens as the evildoers, imperialists or however they wish to spin it. American voters need to know about the impact and history of these entities to really understand why the agenda to create a New World Order exists and who has aligned themselves to carry out the whims of a socialist nature and blatantly ignore everything our founders warned us of 200 years ago. I appreciate your stance as a Christian conservative constitutionalist, but this the key evidence as to why these things take place is often overlooked or not even mentioned by most conservative writers and it is one of the most important things to educate people on, so they can predetermine whether those they vote for will protect their rights of freedom as guaranteed by our constitution or further deliver our country into the hands of the United Nations and their socialist agenda to control every aspect of everyone lives in the world and wipe out every member nations sovereignty till they succumb to the “green” world order or Earth Inc. as dubbed by the commie speakers at the recent Rio20 convention, calling for population control and worldwide poverty under a world tax system hidden under the guise of “sustainability”. Jus’ sayin’.

  • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

    NEGROES HAVE A DIFFERENT “TAKE” ON “LEFT/RIGHT” IN REFERENCE TO CAUCASIANS.

    FIRST, NEGROES BELIEVE MOST CAUCASIANS ARE EXTREMELY WEALTHY. IF YOU ASK A NEGRO TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN CAUCASIAN DEMOCRATS AND CAUCASIAN REPUBLICANS, THERE WILL BE GREAT DIFFICULTY.

    Personal Liberty HAS ANOTHER THREAD WHICH DISCUSSES THE DISPLAY OF THE AMERICAN FLAG AT AN APARTMENT COMPLEX. A POPULAR PAST-TIME OF NEGROES IS TAKING A JOYRIDE THROUGH WEALTHY-CAUCASIAN NEIGHBORHOODS. IF AN AMERICAN FLAG IS ON THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE [OR, IN THE FRONT YARD], THAT MEANS REPUBLICANS LIVE THERE. IF THE HOUSE HAS NO FLAG, THAT MEANS DEMOCRATS LIVE THERE.

    I OFTEN READ COMMENTS OF OTHERS ON THIS SITE, WHO ARE DEFINING NEGROES’ POSITION IN REFERENCE TO THE “LEFT.” CAUCASIAN DEMOCRATS SEEM TO BELIEVE THEY HAVE A SEPARATE PLACE FROM CAUCASIAN REPUBLICANS IN THE MINDS OF NEGROES. THE “BOTTOM LINE” FOR NEGROES IS, “all white folks have money…we do not.” [William Jefferson Clinton was considered the "first black president" because he is the ONLY white person in America who has been able to display distinctions in the minds of Negroes in reference to the two types of white folks].

    CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

    • Vicki

      CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON says:
      “NEGROES HAVE A DIFFERENT “TAKE” ON “LEFT/RIGHT” IN REFERENCE TO CAUCASIANS.”

      So you know the thoughts of and speak for ~40 MILLION people how?

      CAH: “FIRST, NEGROES BELIEVE MOST CAUCASIANS ARE EXTREMELY WEALTHY.”

      That won’t be your “first” false belief. Even the OCCUPY movement knows the number who are wealthy (depending on your definition of wealthy) is way below 50.1%. That is why they have slogans like 99%ers and 1%ers etc.

      Notice that though I said “you”, I am speaking of just YOU not the other ~40 million folk.

      CAH: ” IF YOU ASK A NEGRO TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN CAUCASIAN DEMOCRATS AND CAUCASIAN REPUBLICANS, THERE WILL BE GREAT DIFFICULTY.
      …….
      IF AN AMERICAN FLAG IS ON THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE [OR, IN THE FRONT YARD], THAT MEANS REPUBLICANS LIVE THERE. IF THE HOUSE HAS NO FLAG, THAT MEANS DEMOCRATS LIVE THERE.”

      So they CAN tell the difference without difficulty. :) It’s a false difference but shows another false belief.

      CAH: “THE “BOTTOM LINE” FOR NEGROES IS, “all white folks have money…we do not.” ”
      Which is another of your false beliefs. Easy to disprove. You don’t see a lot of people who have died in the street from starvation (Regardless of skin color) so they are buying food, paying rent, buying commodities etc.

      Not that people don’t die from starvation in this country. It’s just that ~40 million dead from starvation would be noticed. Especially if their bodies were blocking traffic.

      Now for a cite.
      “With a buying power of nearly $1 trillion annually, if African-Americans were a country, they’d be the 16th largest country in the world.”
      http://www.thechicagocitizen.com/wp-content/uploads/pdf/StateOfTheAfricanAmericanConsumer_v22-1.pdf

      Boy that puts your false belief about who doesn’t have money in perspective. Since you speak for ~40 MILLION people can you speak TO them and share? :)

      CAH: “[William Jefferson Clinton was considered the "first black president" because he is the ONLY white person in America who has been able to display distinctions in the minds of Negroes in reference to the two types of white folks].”

      There are way more than 2 types and you neglected to explain the types to which you are referring nor the names of the 2 types. We could infer Democrats and Republicans or Left and Right politically from your yelling but you could well mean some other type.

      And why are you YELLING so much? Caps key broke?

      • Deerinwater

        Good for you Vicky! to dive in head first on “that one” ~ it all “by me” , I wouldn’t touch it!

        I think we’d have to go back to the discovery of fire and develop his/her message from there.

        I wouldn’t began to assume all or most people of color feel and think the same way.

      • macgyver1948

        Vicki…Oh wow. Your response to CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON is so right on considering how unrealistic he is. It is so unbelievable how anyone who thinks and says those things can remember how to breathe. This is what we get with those who so very much generalize, use insults and infantile name calling and of course generalizations because they do not know what else to say to those who disagree with them. This is why intelligent conversation is not possible with those who stoop this low maybe because “only we are right so you are a idiot for not agreeing with me” WOW.

        I was born and raised in New York City. There were so many different kinds of people. There were many poor and middle class blacks who would never be so dumb to believe “LEFT/RIGHT” IN REFERENCE TO CAUCASIANS. FIRST, NEGROES BELIEVE MOST CAUCASIANS ARE EXTREMELY WEALTHY. IF YOU ASK A NEGRO TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN CAUCASIAN DEMOCRATS AND CAUCASIAN REPUBLICANS, THERE WILL BE GREAT DIFFICULTY “ as CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON spews out. This is insulting to blacks.

        After High School I went into the Air Force and I spent a lot of time in North Carolina. I met so many blacks there, both locals and other military people from around the Country. Fort Bragg/Pope Air Force Base is a large place. Never did I meet anyone so dumb to believe CAH’s (LOUD and fantasy) thoughts. After the Air Force I went to college in Winston-Salem NC and the same was true there as well. There are bigots and morons everywhere but I never heard what CAH is saying until I moved this this bible belt area of the country 7 years ago…

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Vicki,”

        AS I STATED, NEGROES LOVE TO GET IN THEIR CARS AND RIDE THROUGH CAUCASIAN NEIGHBORHOODS. NEGROES LOOK AT CAUCASIAN HOUSES WITH A “FINE-TOOTH COMB” – YARDS, LANDSCAPING, PRESENCE OF FLAGS; IF THE GARAGE DOOR IS UP, NEGROES MAY SEE A BOAT, OR, FINE CAR IN DRIVEWAY.

        William Jefferson Clinton IS LIKE NEGROES IN TERMS OF HIS SEXUAL HABITS. I HAVE HEARD SEVERAL NEGRO MALES SAY THEY WERE JEALOUS OF THE Monica Lewinsky Oval Office ENCOUNTER. NEGROES LIKE THE FACT Clinton HAS SMOKED DOPE. Clinton’s MUSICAL TASTES ARE PLEASING TO NEGROES. THEREFORE, Clinton REPRESENTS THE FIRST TYPE OF CAUCASIAN – ONE WHO PARTAKES OF NEGRO-STYLE CULTURE. THE SECOND TYPE OF CAUCASIAN DOES NOT PARTAKE OF NEGRO CULTURE OVERALL – THE ONLY EXCEPTION IS NEGRO-SOUL FOOD; MOST CAUCASIANS SEEM TO LOVE OUR FOOD.

        “Vicki” AND “Deerinwater,” I GUARANTEE, MORE THAN EIGHTY PERCENT OF OTHER NEGROES AGREE WITH ME – ESPECIALLY, OLDER NEGROES WHO DID NOT FINISH HIGH SCHOOL.

        CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        • Deerinwater

          What part of the United States do you live in Christopher?

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Deerinwater,”

        I WAS BORN AND SPENT A LOT OF MY CHILDHOOD IN RURAL MISSISSIPPI. NOW, I LIVE IN METROPOLITAN MEMPHIS. I SPEND A LOT OF TIME IN RURAL ARKANSAS AND RURAL MISSISSIPPI. COUNTRY FOLK ARE HONEST AND SPEAK THEIR MINDS – I LIKE THAT. I DO NOT LIKE PEOPLE WHO ARE “POLITICALLY-CORRECT” AND AFRAID THEY ARE GOING TO “STEP ON SOMEONE’S TOES” IF THEY SAY THE WRONG THING. I LIKE PEOPLE WHO ARE “BLUNT.”

        CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        • Deerinwater

          I see, I understand and I will attempt to be direct and “Blunt” .

          You live in the Old South where the population is not indicative of the mindset of the rest of Americans neither white or black.

          While I too am a son of the South and call it home, ~ I’ve travels, lived many place, lived in environments where three separate languages are commonly spoken and know some of each. My line of business has required this of me, to be tolerant and celebrate our differences. To “understand” take a serious amount of effort,

          I do know much of what you say holds elements of true, ~ while you should be mindful that you are addressing a National Stage on this forum and most people have never been exposed or witnessed the prevailing behavior of your local community in the Old South.

          As young child I remember my Uncle having freed slaves still living on his property, the descendants of passed generations. He still worked them and fed them while they were free to leave at their leisure but why should they leave their homes and families and all that they have ever known?

          I would ride around with him in his old pickup truck through the fields and back roads as he made his daily rounds. He’d drive up to a place that look like a huge chicken coop that was about to fall down and yell out, “Come out here black man! , I need you and your boy to carry that 75 horse pump down to the crew working the back 50 and don’t forget to bring your Missy and young’uns to the house after church Sunday. The woman has killed and plucked 20 yard hens and made a big pot of beans and corn bread.” ” Tell the Missy that Lissie needs help churning the ice cream”

          Now for people that have never witnessed the way the Old South works, is and does. This social behavior seems ~ a bit off color.

        • Eric Jones

          YO ARE AN IDIOT. YOU ARE PROBABLEY ADDICTED TO METH. YOU ARE A DISGRACE TO WHITE PEOPLE HUMANITY AND THE ANIMAL KINGDOM YOU ARE LIVING PROOF THAT EVOLUTION EXISTS WERE AS WE ARE THE MAN ON THE FAR-RIGHT YOU ARE THE THIRD TO THE LEFT BLUNT ENOUGH FOR YA?

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Deerinwater,”

        I CAN ONLY TALK TO YOU AS NEGRO. WHAT YOU AND OTHER CAUCASIANS DO NOT UNDERSTAND IS MOST NEGROES LIE TO CAUCASIANS IN PUBLIC. SINCE I LOVE CAUCASIANS, I WANT TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH. P-L-E-A-S-E HEAR ME. I AM NOT LYING! I AM TRYING TO GIVE YOU “INSIDE INFORMATION.”

        CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        • Deerinwater

          Well, Thank you Christoper Allen Horton for your insightful comments, I have little doubt that your “truths” ring clear to many ears and it’s wise to be mindful that all things are not as they might seem.

          I love the ole South, where if two cars pass the house before noon, we are wondering where the fire is at, and of course Ron Paul is a product of the south, some 12 miles from my later uncles old place in fact. Everybody knows their place and willing to ask for permission if there might be question to what might be acceptable or not.

          Ron Paul is a dreamer of a nice dream while we need visionaries and dreamers.

          While just like the city, things can get crazy and out of hand in a heartbeat without warning.

          I dislike the city, it’s not the people and traffic some much but just that the air is so bad. People get use to it and refuse to breath anything they can’ t see. They forget what clean air smells like, accepting a itchy stopped up nose and watering eyes as a part of life.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Eric Jones,”

        NO, I DO NOT PARTAKE OF “METH.” LAME RESPONSE WHEN “DANCING AROUND” WORDS YOU WOULD HAVE RATHER USED. ISN’T IT? – YOU SILLY FOOL!

        IS THAT “BLUNT” ENOUGH FOR YOU, “Eric Jones?”

        • Eric Jones

          YOU,RE RIGHT METH IS LAME WHAT I MEANT TO SAY IS THAY YOUR FAMILY HAS PROBABLY BEEN INBREEDING SINCE THEY GOT TO THIS COUNTREY!!!!! THAT,S HOW YOU BE BLUNT BOY!!!!!!

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Eric Jones,” THIS IS MY LAST POST TO YOU. I THINK YOU ARE A TEENAGER.

        • Eric Jones

          19 BABY WHATS IT TO YA GOOD RIDDENCE TO BAD COMPANY!!!!!!!

      • Deerinwater

        CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON says:
        July 23, 2012 at 7:15 am
        “Deerinwater,”

        TO BE FRANK, THIS SITE IS NAMED, Personal Liberty. I DID NOT REALIZE YOU CONSIDER AN HONEST ANSWER TO BE, “…offensive to some people.”

        Oh NO ! Christopher, I have no friend here that I am aware of. This is not the Love Boat, and I enjoy mixing it up while attempting to maintain a higher level of discourse, I want to sting, not wound or injure.

        I attempt to avoid offensive personal attacks and labeling unless provoked and find it impossible to ignore it.

        The really stupid ones seem to enjoy toying with my name. I use to be BOB WIRE, but realized there were just too many Bobs. Of course the really stupid ones enjoyed playing with Bob Wire as well. You can’t fix stupid.

    • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

      “Vicki,”

      I HAVE BEEN THINKING ABOUT YOUR COMMENT FOR A FEW DAYS. THE MORE I READ OF OTHERS’ COMMENTS ON THIS SITE, MY ANSWER IS, YES – I CAN SPEAK FOR ALL NEGROES OVER FIFTY – EDUCATED AND UNEDUCATED – WHO DID NOT GROW UP IN THE AGE OF ELECTRONICS.

      IT SEEMS A LOT OF CAUCASIANS ON THIS SITE HAVE VIEWS OF NEGROES BASED ON TWO CATEGORIES:
      I). Negroes of all ages who receive entitlements, partake of drugs and have a fascination with violence; AND,
      II). Negroes who went to college since – let’s say – 1990; or, Negroes who have lower-level “white-collar” positions and believe “blind” assimilation is the way to get a promotion.

      NO MATTER WHAT THREAD I VISIT ON THIS SITE, A CAUCASIAN WILL ALWAYS MENTION, Karl Marx. I HAVE NEVER HEARD THAT NAME COME FROM A NEGRO MOUTH. THERE ALSO SEEMS TO BE AN OBSESSION WITH, George Soros.

      • Deerinwater

        Oh Christopher Horton, the Tea Party which this site openly supports is visited daily and often, by and large by Tea Party supporters of which I am not one.

        The Tea Party would like to be the ones that defines themselves. This is only nature and as it should be. It’s not surprising that Christopher Horton or Deerinwater would like to be the ones that describe and identify themselves to the world, who we are, what we are and what we stand for, the Tea Party is no different.

        The problems we have with self description is the lacking of “objectivity” as the description of ourselves is purely “Subjective” if it is coming solely from us. Our self image is very important to each of us and we go to great lengths to be viewed in the most “flattering ” light as each of us would like to think with only the “best of intentions”.

        That is an important word to remember “Intentions” as your have noticed some people tend to cloak or hide their “intentions” . They are being what we call “disingenuous” , they are hiding something. What they are hiding is never completely clear and can only be determined by an “Objective” study.

        It is for “other’s” to offer a “Objective view” of what we/they are, by studying what we have done and said and offering an “Objective” accounting of the fruits of our labors, regardless of our “subjective” claims.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_protests

        Turns out that the “tea party” movement sweeping the nation is disproportionately composed of individuals who have higher-than-average incomes. It’s also disproportionately composed of men. And disproportionately composed of white people. And disproportionately composed of self-identified conservatives. And disproportionately composed of self-identified Republicans.
        In other words, well-to-do conservative white men don’t much care for Barack Obama’s policies. Which, of course, is something we already knew from the exit polls back in November 2008.”

        I would offer you the link on that posting but it seems we have a one link limit.

        These are older white folks that have worked most of their life and have had employed a program and a plan to their retirement years, they are comfortable and any ideas or notions of change for the betterment of the nation and all it’s peoples means to them that your are going to take something away for them. That frighten them, they don’t like that.

        Status Quo might not be perfect but for them , they have been working with it and living with it and managed to create for themselves a soft spot for their Autumn years, the years when men and women are weaken by time and no longer resilient to hard work and become dependent on their saving and systems they have worked years to put in place.

        They protect the rich man, because they have invested their saving in mutual funds, stocks and bonds. If the wealthy man is hurt just a little, they fear they will be hurt only more. Yet the Government that helped them do all of this is now seen as a liability to them if a president of color takes it on himself to use the power of office to “share the wealth” of hard working Americans and Americans that have worked, planed and saved.

        I know that Obama is not going to do that, you know that he is not ~ but they don’t ! They believe that he will do anything to try! The Affordable Health Care Reform Act and it’s passage has them convinced of it.

        In other words, well-to-do conservative white men don’t much care for Barack Obama’s policies. Which, of course, is something we already knew from the exit polls back in November 2008.”

        You need to know what and who you are talking to here Christopher and it’s good that you came.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Deerinwater,”

        SO, ARE YOU SAYING “Tea Partiers” DO NOT BELIEVE Karl Marx’s IDEOLOGY IS THE FOUNDATION FOR NEGROES’ PROBLEMS IN AMERICA? WHY DO Personal Libertarians ENJOY SAYING SO? MANY NEGROES HAVE NEVER HEARD OF Mr. Marx; THEY BLAME THEIR PROBLEMS ON CAUCASIAN POWER AND GREED.

        • Deerinwater

          Deerinwater,” SO, ARE YOU SAYING “Tea Partiers” DO NOT BELIEVE Karl Marx’s IDEOLOGY IS THE FOUNDATION FOR NEGROES’ PROBLEMS IN AMERICA?

          Yes, I am saying that Christopher. Some might, but most of them know communism is not the “foundation” of racial strife in America today. They are not dumb men, just greedy men that sometimes enjoys playing dumb to hide their greed.

          These are the men that witness an attempt on the part of Federal Government to apply social engineering to address the disparity between black and whites by applying socialism which is seen as a kissing cousin to Karl Max ideology “Communism” .

          With the death of JFK in 63, It was one of the most able and power statesman at that time on the HILL, VP Lyndon B. Johnson that took JFK’s plans for giving the black man a leg up where he might advance himself and share in the great American Dream.

          The Federal government took away our neighborhood schools and forced bus all of our children in an attempt to elevate the black American community. This created many problems for many people in many different ways. Affirmative Action was put in place, in the effort to employ more black folks and put money in their pockets to instill a sense of belonging and being a part of the community. Affirmative Act is a sort of reverse discrimination that favors blacks and not whiles.

          From 1964 to 1968 the federal government employed many socialistic approaches to advancing the conditions of the black communities in American at the expense of pigment challenged peoples. (non-blacks) Medicare was introduced in 1965.

          A repeat of this behavior on the part of our Federal Government today is what older white men fear and have great concerns about Christopher. They feel as I feel, the black community in America still does have a problem while simply throwing money at it only will not solve it.

          That we have a mixed race President today tells us, much progress has been make but there is limits to just how long whites are willing to contend with spotting people in the footrace of economic equity over skin pigment and pedigree.

          These people we speak of, do a lot of mislabeling, they enjoy confusing the issues in hopes you and I might be simple minded enough to not see the truth.

          There nothing quite like a wolf in a sheep suit to confuse and question ~ “Is that a WOLF” ~ in a sheep suit?

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Deerinwater,”

        SO – ACCORDING TO YOUR COMMENTS – WOULD YOU SAY “rich white men” WOULD BE HYPOCRITICAL BY VOTING FOR Governor Mitt Romney? CAUCASIANS HAVE ALREADY DECIDED Ron Paul IS A “NUT.” WILL THESE “Tea Partiers” STAY HOME IN NOVEMBER AND COUNT THEIR MONEY?

        • Deerinwater

          Well Christopher, you are attempting to use labels in such away that I cannot offer you an opinion in the matter you requested it without being grossly inaccurate and offensive to some people.

          Rephrase your question in such a way that I may.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Deerinwater,”

        TO BE FRANK, THIS SITE IS NAMED, Personal Liberty. I DID NOT REALIZE YOU CONSIDER AN HONEST ANSWER TO BE, “…offensive to some people.” I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE ESTABLISHED FRIENDSHIPS ON THIS SITE. SIR, I DO NOT WANT YOU TO JEOPARDIZE THAT.

        LOOK, “Deerinwater,” YOU ARE CAUCASIAN; I AM NEGRO. I VOTE REPUBLICAN BECAUSE I DO NOT FEEL “DOWN-AND-OUT” BECAUSE I AM NEGRO. I CREATED A COMFORTABLE LIFE FOR MYSELF. TO ME, THE “Tea Party” SITUATION IS LIKE THE H. Ross Perot SITUATION – i. e., SOME REPUBLICANS DO NOT LIKE THE WAY THE PARTY IS GOING; SO, THEY “BREAK-OFF INTO A SPLINTER GROUP” WHICH HAS NO REALISTIC IMPACT ON POLICY.

        SURE, I AM NO EXPERT ON THE REPUBLICAN “APPARATUS;” BUT, WHEN REPUBLICANS SEEM TO LIKE NO ONE WHO IS RUNNING, WHAT IS THE POINT? BEING FINANCIALLY COMFORTABLE MEANS YOU ARE PREPARED FOR MORE THAN JUST “RAINY DAYS.” REALISTICALLY SPEAKING, I DO NOT CARE WHO WINS IN NOVEMBER; MY LIFE WILL NOT CHANGE.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Deerinwater,”

        1965 CIVIL-RIGHTS LAWS NOT ONLY HAD A DEVASTATING IMPACT ON THE NEGRO POOR; THE NEGRO MIDDLE-CLASS IS “MESSED-UP.” THE MENTAL IMAGE OF SLAVES IN CHAINS HAS GIVEN CAPITALISM THE POWER TO ROB NEGROES WHO EARN AROUND $50,000.

        HAVING HOUSES BUILT, DRIVING FANCY CARS, ENROLLING CHILDREN IN CATHOLIC SCHOOLS, ETC. SERVES AS A “BIG ERASER” TO WIPE AWAY THE “SLAVERY-CHAIN” IMAGE. YET, THESE NEGROES’ MINDS ARE BIGGER THAN THEIR WALLETS. BECAUSE OF PARENTAL VALUES AND Martin Luther King, Jr., THESE NEGROES CONTINUE TO VOTE DEMOCRATIC – NOT REALIZING THEIR SUBCONSCIOUS IS “ABSORBING” FEELINGS OF INADEQUACY BY SUPPORTING THE “DOWN-AND-OUT” CAUSE. IN LESS THAN TWO YEARS TIME, I KNOW SOME NEGROES WHO WERE MAKING $60,000-80,000 AND GOT FIRED FOR SHEER STUPIDITY. NOW, THEY ARE EARNING LESS THAN HALF OF THAT AND HAVE NO IDEA WHAT WENT WRONG. THE PSYCHOLOGICAL IMPACT OF CAPITALISM WAS THEIR DOWNFALL.

        • Deerinwater

          “. THE PSYCHOLOGICAL IMPACT OF CAPITALISM WAS THEIR DOWNFALL.”

          Well Christopher , the way you wrote it sound like “stupidity” was their down fall.

          We need to be aware that people of all colors and pedigree are being exposed to these same conditions today. Only a few people are actually making money and it’s be so for over 10 ten years. The average American has been living on a line of credit to maintain a certain living style they have grown accustom.

          The American Negro had had great success in America in recent decades. Many have don’t quite well for themselves. My Bookkeeper is Nigerian and still has a family and a business there. He lives here in America while recently taking on a Nigerian bride, a most attractive young woman. I asked her how she liked America?, she said, more then anything, she loves the “peace” . So life is hard everywhere!

          The simple fact is Chris, that today we have more American looking for opportunity then we have opportunity’s to be shared. Competition is stiff in this search for opportunity.

          Be willing to work cheap or offer someone something other’s can not.

          Everybody has got an excuse for their “Lot in Life” , were it be true or not true does not chance anyone “present position”.

          The way life is suppose to work ( those sometimes it might seem hopeless) IS ;

          “We prepare today for Tomorrows success”

          and this is at the “root” of old white men’s anger today.

          They spent years in preparing for their retirement and now fear someone is trying to take something away from them. ~ or someone is going to get for “free” something that they had to work for.

          It’s a mess for sure Chris.

  • Neil Swan

    I’m not a conservative.
    I go for science and intelligent thinking.
    I check this site out to see what conservatives have to say.
    I’m glad some commentors aren’t and have good comments.

    Neil

    • FreedomFighter

      You may go for intelligent thinking, you have yet to achieve it, keep reading PL articals and with scientific method you can learn.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

      • Neil Swan

        What are PL articals ?

        Neil

      • FreedomFighter

        As you are reading Personal Liberty articals use that big brain of yours and figure it out

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

  • http://www.facebook.com/dan.mancuso.56 Dan Mancuso

    Dear Mr. Livingston;
    Thank you for clarifying all that, in “Answers”. But it leads me to more questions. If I may…
    -You said you were Christian, do you belong to a particular denomination of Christian Church and why? Not that it’s anybodies business, but I am curious if you feel like sharing that.
    -What do you think about Christ’s point about two or more people meeting to discuss and celebrate God as what a/the church really is, and the reality of what the church has become today?
    -Do you think we are in the end times as prophecied in Revelations or elsewhere in the Bible? I assume if you are Christian you take the Bible as the divine word of God?
    -How do you define ‘Ultra-Conservative’ and from a fiscal conservative and social conservative perspective?
    -You say you belong to no political party, including the Libertarians, does this mean you don’t support Ron Paul’s ideas as he expressed in, say, “Revolution; A manifesto”. Also, do you support the Tea Partiers? Why or why not?
    -Can you suggest an alternative?
    -How do you propose we get back to a gold standard – if you do in fact propose that, and how can we get rid of the central banking system and get our sovereignty back as a nation from “Big Corporate’ and what you correctly defined as fascism?. (I am a Canadian, but we are basically in the same boat only on a smaller scale).
    -As a general rule would you say the difference between good health and bad is an alkaline as oppsed to an acidic body and that good health can be achieved through good nutrition via diet and suppliments, (vitamins, minerals and trace metals)?
    -Personally I find your – what I’m going to call a forum – very interesting and enlightening. Not just the ‘news’. It seems to have produced a very clear dichotomy of philosophies in the ‘comments’ section, but it also seems to divide people in a sometimes unhealthy way. Could you address this?
    I hope you can answer these questions for me and I’m sure at least some other peiople would also be interested. Thank you, and Thank you for making this site available.
    Sincerely
    Dan Mancuso

  • http://gravatar.com/macgyver1948 macgyver1948

    I, for one, am glad Bob Livingston wrote this piece because it was beginning to feel mostly one sided here. With videos and articles by Root and those by Personal Video Digest I felt there was no room for differing views. That just ain’t American…;.

    • Deerinwater

      Mr. Livingston has an long overview and it was timely. ~ I do not indulge in TV media “News” so I carry no great feeling of bias or being overwhelmed with one view point or another. i don’t share your concerns of some dominion. (maybe you might try it)

      As far as I’m concerned, it don’t really matter, since I’m 64 and cause and effect is slow to reveal it’s self, while reveling it’s self, it surely will. I’ll be dead! The decisions we make today will affect our children. ~ while by the time our children come of age the importance of issues will change somewhat. We only need to leave them the “tools” and a example to follow, fresh water and clean air.

      We’ve done well all considered in just 237 years but we can’t turn back the hands of time and be Pioneers once again, that’s just not the way “Time” works. We need to embrace our future and the changes that it will bring while being mindful of where we came.

      As for myself, retirement is not an option and will work until I can’t get out of bed. I wouldn’t have it any other way. I wouldn’t wish “retirement” on anybody. Next to dying, retirement is the worst thing that could happen to anyone.

      • macgyver1948

        Deerinwater… Retirement might be deaths waiting room, who knows. I too am 64 and I really do not count my start of life until I enter the Air Force during Vietnam. I mostly agree with you but I see the future as somewhat changeable. I do not believe in fate, we can change the patterns of the time lines we past through if we do not do the same things we did before and expect different results. We only need to be aware of the past patterns and the results and want different futures. I have faith we can…

        • Deerinwater

          macgyver1948 ; ~ Me too ~ while I took some pride in my Southeast Asian experience, I dislike the fact. ` It was an adventure in blood lust and being a small part of world history in which I fared well while carrying some survivors remorse but my life began much earlier.

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

    Superb article, Mr. Livingston! Wholeheartedly agree on all, points, you have so unabashedly, and succinctly articulated!

  • FWO21

    If there is any truth in some of the movies one watches, and I do believe, to a certain extent, they are reliable sources for information. Put reliable information in unreliable places ie. movies, tabloids, etc. Watch the movie Shooter with Wahlberg and it will make you wonder about a lot of things.

    • Deerinwater

      Check out “Anonymous” if you enjoy an extremely,~ extremely highly charged political puzzle that will blow your socks off.

      “Anonymous is a 2011 political thriller and pseudo-historical drama film. Directed by Roland Emmerich and written by John Orloff, the movie is a fictionalized version of the life of Edward de Vere, 17th Earl of Oxford, ” (Ghost writer for William Shakespeare)

      http://youtu.be/2PaliLAQT8k

  • http://none Claire

    Bob Livingston–Great article. Keep up the good work.

  • http://joycelansky.blogspot.com Joyce

    Your survey is bogus. I for one certainly do not want to participate in a survey that is going to doom me to being spammed with conservative junk mail! I don’t want to subscribe to your newsletter, therefore, will NOT tell you what I think. This skews your results significantly.

  • RightGunner

    Thank you Bob, for your additional self introduction. I can’t remember how I first found your site, but I read each new edition with interest. I think I understand most of where you are coming from and I expect we agree, at least to a significant extent, on most issues.

    I used to call myself by the Net-Name, Prehistoric Conservative (as opposed to the neo-jerk kind). However that name was too much to type so I adopted the net-name RightGunner, since I actually was a B-29 right gunner during the Korean War. You may not know but Soviet aces from WWII, moved up into the Mig 15’s, and in Korea shot down most of the B-29’s that were lost These Russian pilots have recently come forward with evidence and almost a complete description of their organization and actions, and have even provided gun-camera film of a B-29 about to be blasted from the sky by a Mig cannon. Reference the site, http://home.comcast.net/~b29sinthekoreanwar/b29koreanwar.htm. One wonders why our government never had any idea what happened, or at least they never let on.

    While I think you believe all the wars beginning with WWI were started by efforts of the central banks, I have insufficient knowledge to comment now. However when anyone talks about the futility and the deceptions of the reasons for these wars, one should also be sympathetic of the men who fought in them for what they considered honorable reasons. And especially remember the men who died and their families.

    But it is true in Korea, Truman had a war not to win, but to make a statement. We did not win that war because of the terms of engagement and all the good men who died, died for nothing if measured by North Korean actions today. And the same thing is continuing right on through today with no better and probably worse results. So the answer is, as I think Bob is also saying, to return to the Constitution and declare war only to protect our country and to retake the Federal government and put our country on firm financial footing.

  • Robert Rashbrooke

    I am 71 and have had only three jobs in my life, one of them being in the RAF for 14 years and am still working full time in the third one. I have lived in the US for the last 16 years and have had my views completely overturned in the last year or so. I never knew about UCC, the two American Nations, the control and importance of the Federal reserve – which I THOUGHT was a government department- and like most people, thought that there was a meaning and distinction between the left and the right wings of politics. Boy, was I wrong.

    Now I worry about how to get out from under the authority of the Bilderbergers and the Federal Reserve and the responsibility of our politicians towards it, short of armed insurrection, becuse if we cannot get out from it we have no hope for the future. To all of you who still maintain the arguments of Romney versus Obama being the crux of the upcoming election, it is just tomfoolery, designed to keep you subservient. Neither person will look out for YOUR welfare, and both are as dishonest as the other. And the Tea Party does not have the answer, or any answer to our problems.

    I used to think that the National Debt, some 15 trillion dollars, was going to be the cause of our ruination, since I thought it would have to be paid back at some time, but now I know it is only fiat monies, and if we continue on our present path, that money will be worthless.

    I have to admit that I am completely in the dark over what the Bilderbergers will actually get out of the collapse of the US should it happen, since I imagine that their wealth is in part held in US Dollars and they will be just as disadvantaged as us if they live here in the US.

    If anyone can complete these ideas/(to some) ramblings, I would love to see an extrapolation into future events, apart from the chaos that would shortly likely ensue if we do collapse.

  • Jimmy The Greek

    I have nothing to say ! This is to deep for me .

  • truesoy

    Bob;

    Just a few observations……

    a) your claim of being ultraconservative should be of concern to you, being that the more conservative one is, the more one has in common with communism, which happens to be a very conservative system, other than ‘islam’.
    Now being that you ‘married’ ‘christianity and conservatism’ in a political form, it should be of worry to everyone else that might have had entertained that thought, for it would be just as crazy to be an indetured ‘conservative to any one religious sect for the purpose of furthering a political agenda under which the ultimate outcome would be the destruction of the nation, just as it happened to other nations before us and/or its happening now. If in doubt, please look around, for if you were to show me the most religious country, I would then show you the most screwed up country.
    b) You complain about a government that is in collusion with big business, thereby inposing ‘fascism’ on us. yet, you support the republicans wholeheartedily.
    c) Libertarian thought developed from the likes of John Locke and his theory of ‘liberalism’ on which present day ‘libertarians’ built on, maybe by assumptions, to the extremist proponent for the government to abrogate its intended purpose and its rightful role.
    d)…and all your points/ideas when add together will not lead us to an ‘utopia, but rather it would be more like a ‘Somalia’.

    Sincerely,
    Truesoy

    • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

      Dear truesoy,

      Just a few observations…

      a), c) and d)=Logical fallacies and sophistry.

      You write: “b) You complain about a government that is in collusion with big business, thereby inposing ‘fascism’ on us. yet, you support the republicans wholeheartedily.(sic)” Please cite for me ANY instances where this is so. You have been around long enough to know better.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • truesoy

        Bob;

        About a, c and d, I must tell you are totally wrong. The logic of my argument accepts no fallacies nor suphristy because it is based on sound reasoning and backed by facts.
        In answer to you rebuttal of ‘d’ I will refer to your stated opinions about one of the contenders for the Presidency of The United States about which you and/or this site label on a continuous basis as socialist and/or communist, thereby, in this manner lending your support either outright or implied, to the republican candidate. It is a veiled endorsement, maybe; but it is an endorsement nevertheless.

        Sincerely,
        Truesoy

        • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

          Dear truesoy,

          The whole of your premises are logical fallacies, sophistry and misdirection. You have presented no “facts,” just misapplied conjecture.

          Best wishes,
          Bob

    • http://naver samurai

      This coming from a coward and traitor, like you and your 5th column ilk? This from a person who had not the nads to serve? A person that believes in bigger and more intrusive government by showing his support for Obama bin Laden Care, though it goes against the Commerce clause of the Constitution and 70% of the people do not want it? A program where many doctors would resign if it does start?

      http://www.dailycaller.com/2012/07/09/report-83-percent-of-doctors-have-considered-quitting-over-obamacare/

      Second, you say conservatism leads to communism? How can this be when communism, socialism, and facism are all left of center, ergo far left liberalism. Conservatives believe in smaller government, unlike your ilk that believes in bigger government, like youn 5th columners want. Just remember our founding principle of the vigilance to ensure that government remains our servants and not our masters.

      Third, you attack Bob for his Christian beliefs? Why should you do that? There is the God given right of freedom of speech and religion in this country. In fact, the religion with the most deaths committed is islam with more than 270 million and growing. How about those atheist leaders of Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Hitler, Ho Chi Mihn, Genghis Khan, and many others? The first 6 I listed are responsible for the deaths of more than 50 million people. I guess your lik believes in paying satan in blood. How about the former empires of Rome, Greece, Persia, Babylon, Assyrians, etc.? They didn’t fall apart due to religion. They fell apart due to human avarice.

      Fourth, what you said in letter b shows you still drink way too much kool aid on a daily basis and are in need of making that popping sound.

      Fifth, the religious and political philosophies of John Locke helped to form this country’s drive for independence. Unlike you, and your ilk, who oppose anything that places something higher than yourselves.

      Sixth, what you said in d, care to cite a source to back up that falsehood? You state facts and reason on this site? Ha, ha, ha, ha! Thanks for the laugh, as I needed it.

      Keep up the good fight Bob!!!!!!!!!!

      FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot. Bob is and you are not.

      • truesoy

        samurai;

        One thing for sure, no one would ever be disappointed by you, such are the nonsenses of your expressed beliefs.
        However, difficult as it might be to give a simple answer, one that even a person at your level would understand, I’ll make a noble attempt at this almost impossible task.
        I think I’ll start with your selective misunderstanding on the subject of religion and government, and Bob. I didn’t attacked Bob for his christian beliefs, however, I did attacked Bob for his stance on a form of government based on his christian beliefs; and that I’m critical of for this is one more attempt by religion induced by ignorance and misinfornation to usurp the establishment of government.
        It was the the intent of the Founding Fathers to move away from the perils of religion in government that they saw as a destruction force in Europe and other countries. Ironically, present day christians in the United States make a collective and concerted effort at ignoring the lessons of history. Why, I don’t know. Maybe its the fear instilled in them by the ‘church’ that makes them ignore the facts. And/or it might be also that that fear of going to hell the church puts in them clouds their reasoning abilities; who knows.
        But no matter what it is they are told by organized chrisitan religious institutions, the fact remains this nation’s government was not found as a christian one, for it was secular in nature as intended by the Founding Fathers, otherwise, if it was a christian government they wanted, it would have been determined so by our Constitution, (our secular government’s bible); right? right!!!. Just think, the Constitution does not even mention God once, doesn’t this fact tells you anything, maybe a little hint at your misguided assupmtions?; if it doesn’t, it should !.
        Obviously this doesn’t mean they didn’t believe in a Creator, for many of them did believe, but not necessarily be christians, for most were not.
        You state that I believe in bigger and more intrusive government by my support of Obama (you call him binLaden, yet it is your failure to acknowledge his successful campaign ‘got’ binLaden while others failed, for years, to do), But if I believe in bigger and more intrusive government as you say, but without telling me of the specifics, about which, since I have not the slightest ideas, I could not give an answer, hence the appearance on your part that you do not have much knowledge, other than what you hear others say.
        Again, if you know the specifics, whether Obama’s doing is for a big and intrusive government, tell me. And the same goes for your support of church in government. If you have any specifics (proof), please enlighten me.
        Ps.- I’ would’ve answer your whole post (diatribe), but it would have taken too long. Maybe next time.

        Sincerely,
        Truesoy

      • Deerinwater

        ” Obama bin Laden” Is that a mislabeling or a real person?

        Samurai were you not in support of the prior administration and it’s commitment of 7 Trillion dollars to a warring effort and subsequent dead of over 6000 American soldier’s alone, that also enacted the Patriot act that vastly compromised all American’s liberties?

        Was it not you that was a loud voice for the Conservative Right Wing Christian Coalition?

        If given 8 years, I don’t believe the current administration can top such a record by any accounting.

        Bob Livingston has got his big boy britches on and really not needing your unsolicited help in defense while it is duly noted.

      • http://naver samurai

        First, truesoy (kang), I and Bob Livingston have made it clear to you that you have only posted nonsense and not facts. Why don’t you be quiet and learn from those that seem to know more than you do on the subjects at hand. Your 2 cents worth isn’t needed or wanted. Second, we were not founded a secular state, but a Christian nation. This does not mean everyone is a Christian, but that we were founded on Judeo-Christian principles, Biblical law taken directly from the Old and New Testiments, our laws based on the 10 Commandments (If you don’t know that, then you know nothing about our founding, and a deep, rich belief in nature and nature’s God. They always gave thanks to Divine Providence. Since you cannot prove me wrong, I’m not worried about any response you may have. Thought God’s name is not mentioned in the Constitution, there is a reference to Him in the Preamble of the Constitution by saying “…secure the blessings of liberty…”. As I have said before only God, not the government can bless. What does it take to get this through you little, very dense, lib and atheist mind? This is a reference back to the Declaration of Independence which says our rights are “…endowed by their Creator, of these are life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.” Been proven wrong again. But alas! You’ll never learn. If we are secular, then why is God mentioned 4 times in the Declaration of Independence? A reference to Jesus is made in Article VII of the Constitution? References to God in the Articles of Confederation?

        “And whereas it hath pleased the Great Governor of the World (GOD) to incline the hearts of the legislatures we respectfully represent in Congress, to approve of, and authorize us to ratify the said Articles of Confederation and perpetual Union.”

        Why is God’s name mentioned on our memorials, government buildings, in legislation, prayers said in Congress and the Senate, Leviticus 25:10 inscriped on the Liberty Bell, and SCOTUS rulings? Neeeeed to be making that popping sound.

        “Our laws and our institutions must necessarily be based upon and embody the teachings of The Redeemer of Mankind (GOD). It is impossible that it should be otherwise; and in this sense and to this extent our civilization and our institutions are emphatically Christian…This is a Christian nation.”

        Church of the Holy Trinity vs. U.S. 1892

        How about state courts?

        “Our laws and our institutions must necessarily be based upon and embody the teachings of The Redeemer of Mankind (GOD). It is impossible that it should be otherwise. In this sense and to this extent, our civilizations and institutions are emphatically Christian.”

        Illinios State Supreme Court
        Richmond vds. Moore 1885

        How about through legislation?

        “Congress passed this resolution: ‘The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.”

        United Staes Congress 1782

        There is no seperation of church and state or seperation of God and state. Many others on this site have proven you wrong on this matter also, so why don’t you just go somewhere else? We sure aren’t buying the crap you are trying to sell. You are a liar, coward, and have not the nads to serve. My son had something to say about you. I told him about you and he said:

        “On no! Not one of those! Not another person whose mommy and daddy didn’t hug him enough while he was growing up. ”

        What proof and evidence can you provide that atheism is accurate and correct? Since you cannot, I know you will have no possibility of answering. Till you can post some facts or sources, just shut up and move on.

        DIW (Dead in the Water), you made some comments towards me. They were tasteless, spineless, and shows you know not what you are talking about. Supported the wars during Bush’s Administration? Whether I did or not is irrelevant. Since I was a soldier and had no say in where I went. I was told to go there and do my job to the best of my ability, so I did. You saying you went to Vietnam should understand this. You also keep saying about 6000 dead. Why are they jus statistics to you? Aren’t they heroes that died while serving this country and fighting for freedom? You talk about the Patriot Act, which was passed under Bush, but then why didn’t Obama bin Laden have it overturned when his party, the dumbocrats, had the majority in the House and Senate? Why did he extend and broaden it? Just one of his many broken promises. You also say how I don’t need to back up Bob? Bob Livingston has done a good job handling you all, but patriots tend to stick together and back each other up. You 5th columners do the same with each other also. Enough said. Don’t answer unless you both have facts and credible sources. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        Yes truesoy, you need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

        • truesoy

          samurai;ess that for sometime I resisted the urge to answer your rant, for you are the finished by-product of a demagogue.
          First off, I don’t know where you are trying to get at by your constant illogical rant about a ‘fith’ column. And what is this with you constantly making reference to ‘serve’?; are you implying military or another type of service?; for I’ll tell you that military is not the only way to serve one’s country; besides, Timothy McVeigh was an army veteran; was he not? .
          Bytheway, you seem a bit disgruntle, too. Are you an army vet?.
          And now for the daddy of all fallacies, that you dare to say the Constitution mentions Jesus is sacriledge, for there is none of it, unles you want to fool yourself into believing that because they signed the dates as ‘the year of the Lord’ it automatically means Jesus. But don’t you know that it was the norm of the times to sign all documents in that manner. Please don’t read into things that are not there. The Constitution was explicit in all that it wanted to say, and had they intended otherwise, they’d had said so. Stay real, please.

          Sincerely,
          Truesoy

      • Deerinwater

        samurai address deerinwater saying;

        “DIW (Dead in the Water), you made some comments towards me. They were tasteless, spineless, and shows you know not what you are talking about. Supported the wars during Bush’s Administration? Whether I did or not is irrelevant. Since I was a soldier and had no say in where I went. I was told to go there and do my job to the best of my ability, so I did. You saying you went to Vietnam should understand this. You also keep saying about 6000 dead. Why are they jus statistics to you? Aren’t they heroes that died while serving this country and fighting for freedom? You talk about the Patriot Act, which was passed under Bush, but then why didn’t Obama bin Laden have it overturned when his party, the dumbocrats, had the majority in the House and Senate? Why did he extend and broaden it? Just one of his many broken promises. You also say how I don’t need to back up Bob? Bob Livingston has done a good job handling you all, but patriots tend to stick together and back each other up. You 5th columners do the same with each other also. Enough said. Don’t answer unless you both have facts and credible sources. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!”

        First off samurai, ~ you mislabel and misrepresent things for personal pleasure, You started with my “handle” and continued though out all of your postings, there by losing what creditably you might have to offer us showing contempt and total disregard for obvious “truths”. This playfulness is not the mark of any Christian that I have ever known.

        While you would want to claim what you did or didn’t support and defend in the past as being “irrelevant” is just not so! You only wish it to be irreverent while it is germane to the issues at hand and your character by refusing to face your human failing.

        Yes, I too was a soldier and did as I was instructed to do and I was good at it and proud of it. But you and I were soldiers samurai. Today we are not soldiers but help lead and protect soldiers with decision we choice to make that “should be” tempered” by our own life experiences.

        A soldiers life is an life dominated by military institution, where one become a “unit” and a part of a machine to serve the bidding of command. There is no room for personal preference , matters of good and bad, right or wrong become irrelevant, especially if they interfere with your primary directive.

        It took me 10 ten years to become a civilian after serving as a loyal and committed soldier. It was 10 years before I found the courage to accept what I had done and what I had become and accept my new civic responsibility to fellow man and my country.

        It’s not an easy thing to do, to accept this new role and accept your part of the many fails where you once seen only “victories” and accomplishments, having enjoyed the praise and documented proof of commitment and personal valor.

        I will not hold your past and your action against you Samurai, not if you are willing to make a personal confession to yourself , that you did some “wrong” and accept you new station in life. You don’t belong to the United States Military anymore, why must you continue to act and behave like you do?

        So to whom do you actually serve while you claim to serve God and Country?

        Your selection of screen name was wide open, yet you chose a WARING title. why? Do you like war, conflict and killing? Do you celebrate these activities oven reason? I suspect that you do. If you were a Christian, you’d want to be a Templer and force your will and beliefs on others or lay to waste.

        This sort of thinking is not the thinking of a healthy mature person.

        Until you change your ways samurai you will always find strong opposition from people like myself. You think dangerous and unkind thoughts while hiding behind a twisted understanding of the “Divine” you call God.

    • Mark / educatedtradesman

      I can’t believe what truesoy wrote ! Seems to be of the Null Mind-set, akin to the cowardly Colorado murderer. What verbal garbage. It’s an arrogant, sel-aggrandizing person feebly attempting to attack sound positions with nonsense.
      IF I was Bob I would not waste my time with this guy/girl. 1st Amendment notwithsatnding I’d delete this garbage. (Sorry Voltaire).It’s likeshooting a person trying to incite a crowd to senseless violence,or putting down a rabid dog.
      De Oppresso Liber

      • truesoy

        Mark…

        Speaking about the Colorado murderer, he is a t-party organizer.I thought you’d like to know.
        Just food for thought !.

        Sincerely,
        Truesoy

        • macgyver1948

          truesoy… Why isn’t that a surprise any more??? :-)))

          • Deerinwater

            Not to offer any defense to anybody thinking they hold “any” right to violate or threaten to violate another person space without extracted swift retribution. No solid link to the Tea Party has yet been established in this incident.

            While the sound and call for Second Amendment solutions from “some” of the most stupidest Tea Party Pundits still ring loud and clear in our ears.

            http://newamericamedia.org/2012/07/after-colorado-massacre-fingers-pointed-at-tea-party-for-a-reason.php

            The Tea Party is someways is very much like the international Muslim community, in that they refusing to “Openly” admit they have some nondescript’s zealot , nut-case wacko’s inside their ranks that are wasting air something else could be breathing. And beside being of great harm to the innocent, it’s is serious baggage that will someday bring them down if not addressed in some meaningful manner.

            Words are much like bullets, once spoken, they goes down range and you can not put them back in your mouth.

          • truesoy

            Deerinwater;

            It would be welcome news if it was true that the craziness from the t-party was just the acts of a few ‘ zealots’. But that is not the way it is.
            Crazy and on the fringe has become ‘mainstreem’ of both the t-party and of the republican party.
            Just today, 23 july 2012, attorney Matt Davis, a former GOP spokeman that was so dissastified and disgruntle by the Supreme Court’s ruling in favor of Obama’s health care reform that he called publically for ‘armed reellion’. And this is coming from an ‘assumed’ sane person, and of sound mind.
            Green County, Virginia republican Party published newsletter on may 8 of this year calling for armed insurrection/rebellion against the United States if Obama is re-elected.
            Today this is main stream republican conservatism, and it opens a window through which we can see their intentions and their motives.
            Crazy and on the fringe of insanity is now ‘mainstream’republican conservatism.

            Sincerely,
            Truesoy

          • Deerinwater

            Hmm? Well that is most disturbing to hear. It will be resolved one way or another. It would be my sincerely hope that wise men dominate the day and those that wish to “go there” are the ones that pay the dearest price.

          • macgyvewr1948

            deerinwater… I am so much for the constitution. I am not a big fan of guns, I can take them or leave them but I will defend the 2nd amendment for what might be surprising reasons. Now whether this guy is of the Tea Party or not is mute for the most part but it might go to pattern in some cases if he is. I just feel with terrible incidences such as these it will give those who want the 2nd Amendment removed more clout. It is ironic though with the Tea Party in some places, such as parts of Florida and in other states, where they show their prejudices against the Muslim community, that you would make such a comparison.

            I prefer to accept that it is the “Jihad” Muslim types and not the entire Muslim religion. Jihad has been around for so many centuries and with its meaning being “Holy War” it really doesn’t matter what language or culture applies it, it all means the same if its justification is using God to hate and, to perhaps – KILL. The Crusades, for example, was a Jihad and now it is in English here in our country today used by any, Muslim or not. Bigotry is bigotry wherever it is or who uses it.

            Interesting web site you share. It is not proven he is of them but it can been inferred by many because of past violent TEA gathering. For example, at a TEA event the invited Senator Claire McCaskill*, where a TEA leader incited violence against her and she had to be guarded out for her safety. And we know from other news events and your link there are other occasions. Words can be very powerful. We really need to control ourselves with God in our hearts, not with Jihad, or at least with personal morality and perhaps The Golden Rule, whomever we are.

            *Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.) is receiving extra security after a speaker at a Tea Party Express rally told his audience, “We have to kill the Claire Bear.”
            “We have to kill the Claire Bear ladies and gentlemen,” activist Scott Boston said on Thursday to light applause, according to the St. Louis Post Dispatch. “She walks around like she’s some sort of Rainbow Brite Care Bear or something but really she’s an evil monster.”.

  • Maynard

    Bob, I feel honored to read your response as there is a great deal in what you say that I agree with. I am certainly no expert on the Scriptures, but I do glean bits and pieces here and there and of course some of them may require Divine Inspiration for true divination. The reasons I believe Christ was a revolutionary against the leaders of the Jews includes the fact that he kicked the money lenders out of the Temple and that he rejected the Old Testament of “an eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth,” and asked us rather to turn the other cheek, resist not evil and in the Lord’s Prayer forgive those who trespass against us. Christians already pick and choose parts of the Old Testament and fail to follow others. Most Christians eat ham and sea food other than fish. They mix meat and milk dishes and do not worship on the seventh day, Saturday. I agree wholeheartedly with this as the Hebrews, like most other ethnocentric groups, felt their code of conduct was only for each other and not non-believers. Christ admonished his disciples to proselytize among the Gentiles, something unheard of among the “Chosen” (self-selected) old school Hebrews. I do not believe these ancient writings any more than I believe the angel Moroni gave Joseph Smith a set of gold tablets which he then retreived.
    As far as governments always leading to tyranny.. . Our choice is anarchy in which the richest and most powerful run roughshod over others. That’s why our founding fathers, all men of wealth and prestige, generously wrote the Bill of Rights into our Constitution. Our preamble states that it is the role of government to promote the common good. True conservatives should want to preserve these rights, not give the rich free rein to influence elections with their wealth and not even have to disclose who they are. Both parties as Bob pointed out have tried to run the government for their own benefit more than to return to the people in need, that which they unfortunately have no ability to provide for themselves.
    We now have a tyranny of the powerful and it is getting worse with the false flags I have frequently mentioned, from Operation Northwoods which failed because of JFK, to the Gulf of Tonkin, to the incubator babies, to the first WTC bombing, to the Oklahoma City bombing, to 9/11 and the anthrax attacks. So many of you are rightly critical of government if the party you do not favor is in power, yet fail to see that your chosen party has also been deceiving us for personal gain.

  • Kinetic1

    Mr. Livingston,
    In your explanation of why you encourage your readers to purchase gold and silver, you say:
    “Those who hold gold and silver will retain their wealth.”
    and you may be right. As long as the nation is in a panic and the economy declines, precious metals will continue to rise in value. Of course history also shows us that a recovery can send the price plummeting in short order as well. A very good reason to keep people panicked if you are in a position to gain from this ridiculous rise in value.

    Another way to profit, and one practiced by this site is to mislead the customer on the value of their purchase. Yes, I just received an e-mail from Bob and his “friends at the National Bullion & Currency Depository.” “They have some important information to share with you.” Yes, they have “just recovered” a large batch of $2.5 Gold Indian Heads and will sell them “for the incredible price of only $375 each.” That’s “at-cost, completely free-of-dealer-mark-up”! ONLY $375! Wow, if only I knew the year, the condition and the mint. And since we’re talking about retaining our money should the system collapse (pardon me, WHEN the system collapses,) we might want to consider the melt value and not the collector’s value. This 90% gold coin is only worth about $200 as a chunk of gold. That’s an instant loss of over 40%! Do you expect there to be a premium placed on collector coins in a post crash world? If your goal is to prepare us, why allow this sort of ad to be sent under your name?

    • Kinetic1

      Mr. Livingston,
      “Are you paid by the gold sellers to push gold?”
      “No”
      Not unless you consider being paid to send out an e-mail selling cold coins at inflated prices as being paid to push gold.

      • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

        Dear Kinetic1,

        You write: “Not unless you consider being paid to send out an e-mail selling cold coins at inflated prices as being paid to push gold.” I have always been quite clear about what type of gold and silver people should purchase for asset protection. I have also been quite clear as to our advertising policies.

        Best wishes,
        Bob

      • Kinetic1

        Mr. Livingston,
        Yes, you have been clear in your articles (though that is one subject to failed to address in this one,) but to use this as an excuse for these sorts of ads is a cop out. This is not just an ad sent out to your mailing list, but one with your own introduction. The implication is that you endorse the company and what they are offering, and nothing in this e-mail suggests otherwise, not even the fine print.

      • Deerinwater

        Kinetic1 says:

        Mr. Livingston,
        Yes, you have been clear in your articles. ”

        Well Kinetic 1, that just the fruits of capitalism that truesoy was referring too.

        We must be mindful of the fact, any business owner/operator has only limited control of who walks through his/her door.

        There is a large boat marina called the Sea Ranch On South Padra. ~ If you expect attention and services they offer, you better pulling to their driveway , driving something very new or very impressive or they just don’t have the time sell you anything or the space to lease. So doing, he does have some control over his customers. ( That there is not another facility of that caliber for 250 miles helps)

        Bob Livingston’s site attracts a broad cross section people that share certain common traits. They are victims, there is a conspiracy, there is a distrust , they are being denied and restricted, they have time on their hands and money in their pockets

        To own a small piece of gold or silver offer’s comfort to the mind and heart, so certain vendors are attracted to this sites as sharks would to a population of seals.

        Or the Produce your own energy Add. ~ Everyone would enjoy the security and comfort to be had if it was remotely possible.

        Make no mistake, It’s food chain we live in, it’s eat or be eaten regardless of what label you wish to attach to government.

        While it comes to my attention, since 1980 there been a strong shift of morals on the part of government and business with more acceptance of predatory behavior in general. This “acceptance” has desensitized many Americans to the right and wrong aspects of personal conduct. Mitt Romney offer us a perfect example of this moral shift and being “desensitized” to ethical conduct for personal gain.

  • Eric Jones

    All-in-all its a great idea to post your goals for newcomers to your site. i see only two flaws flaw 1, you propagate the myth that there are socialists in the goverment. there is not the socialists are in the streets protesting for some of the values you yourself belive in. flaw 2 you seem to be under the notion that warmongering is a socialist ideal. that is wrong. true socialism neeeeeeds peace to properley construct an econamey dedicated to serving the needs of the working majority. again other then that a fine job. respectfully yours Eric Jones

    • truesoy

      Eric Jones;

      Bob confuses socialism with communism, that is his problem. He doesn’t understand that communism kills socialism.
      A socialist system can only thrive with capitalism, hence the success of many european countries in providing many of the benefits enjoyed by their people.
      Although I do not advocate the same here, I also understand that many of the social programs here have contributed to improve us as a nation, even if the Bobs of the world refused to accept it as fact. They are conservatives in a liberal environment. They fight for conservative causes while enjoying the fruits of liberalism. Go figure.

      Sincerely,
      Truesoy

      • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

        Dear truesoy,

        You write: “Bob confuses socialism with communism, that is his problem.” No. I do not.

        You write: “He doesn’t understand that communism kills socialism.” Socialism is the transition from capitalism to communism. The US is a fascist system.

        Best wishes,
        Bob

        • truesoy

          Bob,

          Allow me again to respectfully disagree with you for the manner in which you try to define a subject by association.
          You wrote: ‘socialism is the transition from capitalism to communism’. But if this is true, then one could make the case that ‘capitalism is the transition to fascism’.
          The reason I have reservations about associating what one could only describe as political labels to predict the morphing of any political system is that you have to ignore the reality of existing political and economic systems, e.g., Europe to make that assertion.
          Would you consider Germany to be transitioning to communism?. I imagine your logical answer would be, no, because although Germany has a ‘socialist’ economic system, it is by no means in the road to communism.
          One of many examples on this is the manner in which democrats sometimes are labeled communist simply by implying ‘democrats are liberals, and liberals are leftist, and leftist are communist, therefore democrats must communists.
          Sadly this has been the Republicans ‘modus operandi’ when dealing with not only their political opposition, but with the press too if it did not promote their agenda, and/or if they feel its against it..
          They’d label the ‘mainstream press’ as liberal/left, and not honest, because as we already know what is liberal is also leftist, and so it must be communist. Or as Rush would say, the ‘drive-by press’.
          Bob, while creating labels by association out of thin air without facts makes good for fulfilling a satisfying political agenda, in reality it only serves to dwarf the value of political consensus in a democracy.

          Sincerely,
          Truesoy

      • Eric Jones

        Yeah guys like bob to tend to ignore facts that they don,t like huh?

        • http://naver samurai

          Looking in the mirror again aren’t we? I suggest that you and truesoy get your facts straight befor you post. Here is an article showing Ben Franklin appealing for Prayer at the Constitutional Convention.

          http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissuesArticles.asp?id=98

          Let’s see if Eric and his lover truesoy can debate whether Franklin called for prayer or not. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          That’s right Eric and truesoy, you need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot. This leaves you 2 out of the equation.

          P.S. Keep up the good fight Bob Livingston. You are a credit to the patriotic cause of righting this country.

          • Eric Jones

            Truth be told I DON,T CARE if Ben Franklen wanted congress to pray or not prayer has no buesness in goverment. p.s. you realize that exept you,re a crishten you are basiclly a radical islamist right?

          • http://naver samurai

            Sorry dude, but a Christian cannot separate their faith from their job. God and Jesus help us with everything. Too bad you and your ilk have no one to help you. My wife prays for you all daily. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

            You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

          • Eric Jones

            And here i thought the lord ONLY helped those who helped themselves.

          • http://naver samurai

            He does, but we are also to pray to God for insight, guidance, and to be refilled with the Holy Spirit. Since you seem to have a problem with someone practicing their faith at work, then I guess you’ll have a problem with this president who thanked God for everything.

            “I have no heavy charge upon my conscience, for which I bless my Maker, as well as for all the enjoyments that He has liberally bestowed upon me. I pray for His gracious kindness in the future.”

            John Quincy Adams

            How about President Lincoln?

            “…that these dead shall not have died in vain-that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom-and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.”

            “With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in, to bind up the nation’s wounds, to care for him who shall have borne the battle for his widow and his orphan, to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among ourselves and with all nations.”

            That was another president that thanked God for what He was doing. Last, but not least, look at how you can’t separate God from the national anthem.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiyKiUCiKcE

            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

            You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

          • Eric Jones

            Just two more cases of men thanking an outside diety for the strength that was inside them and is inside us all.

          • Deerinwater

            And ~ I would suspect God speaks to you personally?

          • Eric Jones

            That,s what he told me!

          • macgyver1948

            Samuri… I am not sure what you are getting at. We pray to God for help and to thank Him for what we have received. We read our respective bibles for some guidence. I will never believe any who has walked this earth, with maybe the exceptions of the Phrophets, who has heard God’s voice. And the last, in my bible’s ‘opinion’, was a few hundred years before your Jesus. That is THE difference between the Phrophets and the rest of us, they were all totally human too but with that one special calling.

            I very much didn’t believe the idiot pizzaman and the other two dimwitted tea bags who said “God told me to run for president”. HHHMMM, Why would God tell those 3 to run since God could see into the future and know they would be drummed out of the race? I guess we will never know.

            You can quote famous people whom you think would side with you but how are they supporting your arguments? They said stuff and so much of what they said is good. Where are they saying we all have to worship God as they or you tell us?

            John Quincy Adams, President Lincoln? Yep, they did help this country to be America but let’s not misinterpret their words just to make your “religious” points. Do you remember Freedom Of Religion at all or is it still only how you choose to see God?

            Oh, thank you so much for the link, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiyKiUCiKcE , to the full version of our America’s National Anthem. I listened to it again just now. In it Francis Scott Key mentions God once with “In God is Our Trust” but no where does he get religion spicific. I wonder, as an Amercian, if Key didn’t get “ religious spicific” intentially because he knew that in our new country “We The People” should always have the choice of how we relate to God as the Founders did. Why don’t you beleive that too?

          • truesoy

            macguyver1948;

            ….but what samurai selectively forgot to mention is that it was at first a poem by Francis Scott Keys in which he projected his beliefs in a Supreme Being/God, but in no way it neither means nor implies, much to the dismay of ….samurai, that the founding of our country was as a ‘christian nation’ .
            We should also take into account the growing christian movement at the beginning of the 1800′s that by the mids 1820′s had unleashed an unprecendeted attack against the ‘masons’, driving them underground. Nevermind the ‘masons’ were the architechs/engine that behind the founding of our country.
            Keep in mind that Francis Scott Keys gave us the ‘Star Spangle Banner’ that later was to become our National Anthem’; and not to be confused with the Founding Fathers.

            Sincerely,
            Truesoy

          • macgyver1948

            Truesoy… I wouldn’t be so sure if the “swordsman” forgot those things or chose to but we really can’t comment on what people do not say. We can’t be sure. That is one of the childish things some on here do so it would be just as childish if we do it.

            With that said it is a fact that most of the Founders were Christian and perhaps of different churches. But they knew the harm done by King George with his Christian faith so they included “Freedom Of Religion” for us so we wouldn’t be dominated by any “Only we are right” church again. But even though it is in the Constitution many on the right choose to ignore it and attempt to dominate by imposing their religious beliefs. The founders said they wanted morality to guide us no matter what church, and there are so many different Protestant faiths who cannot agree, or faith each of us is. They do not want another King George running things here ever again.

            To bad things aren’t working as they should and that is why I feel “Separation Of Church And State” should be added to our Constitution. I also say “silent” prayer with no mention out loud of any faith should be brought back to schools but what do I know.

            I do agree with what you are saying, the history. Many of the founders were Masons, :-)))… When “Francis Scott Keys gave us the ‘Star Spangle Banner” he might have been trying to kill time while in a jail cell, and to shut out the loud sounds of ‘the bombs bursting in air’, but I am so glad he did for whatever his reason.

          • truesoy

            samurai;

            …and that is the reason why religious freaks/fanatics should excluded/stay away from governing.

            Sincerely,
            Truesoy

          • macgyver1948

            Samuri… As much as I would defend your right to how you accept God and your Jesus, Christains do not have the right to inflict their beliefs on others. You said “Sorry dude, but a Christian cannot separate their faith from their job”. Fine but keep it to yourself when in a working environment.

            “Sorry dude” that is the American way. Just don’t inflict your way and take other’s rights away. Simple enough. “Freedom Of Religion” also means “Freedom From Yours”. If you remember, that is one of the things we told King George. It is also a main reason the Philgrims came here from merry old England. It seems they were persecuted by— oh yeah, other Christains who felt their Christainity was the only right kind.

            Questions for you you “most honorable” Samuri. Where and when will your kind of persecution end for those who aren’t good enough to believe as you do? You are a hypocrite but the Constitution says you have a right to be. Hay Dude… Isn’t that ironic?

            By the way. I do not need your wife or you to pray for me. I pray to God all the time and there is no Jesus between He and I. He tells us in our bible often enough there is no one between Him and us, not even demi-gods. Go ahead and correct me if you think you can. But, as I said above, “I would defend your right to how you accept God and your Jesus”.

        • Deerinwater

          Well, It’s a fact that rock crushes scissors and paper covers rock. ~ I know that for a fact!

          But this is not a game of clear rules, rules of what triumphs what and what negated what.

          The most we can do is look back into history and look for patterns that offer some consistency.

          And then~too, ~ for whom was it bad and for whom was it good and for how long? (nothing is forever) Many citizens of Rome had a grand old time for generations, while at the same time,others suffered greatly. Lions 12 / Christian 0. The General population enjoying the games and looking forward to Post Game with Risky Rita at the bath house,

          So where is your reference point of worked, didn’t work and good and bad?

          You give me a historical example to support any claim and give me the opportunity to offer a counter argument. Let us attempt to weigh such “isms” on their merits and consider it a game with some rules equatable fairness.

          But one thing is certain, just because I or you make a statement does not make it so.

          This attempt to chase down a fart and paint it red is getting us nowhere.

          • Eric Jones

            Do me a favor and send this message to samurai will you? he thinks just because he can memorize the bible and obscure quotes that he,s never wrong.

          • http://naver samurai

            Why does he have to do the job for you? Are you too much of a coward to face me?

            “The problem with our liberal friends isn’t that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn’t so.”

            Ronald Reagan

            Boy was he right about you and your boyfriend truesoy. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

            You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

          • Eric Jones

            When have i ever been afraid of you sammy boy? and by the way despite what republicans belive reagen didn,t know everything also for the record i don,t know truesroy any more then you but anyone who annoyes you is aces in my book.

          • http://naver samurai

            I didn’t say that Reagan knew everything, but he sure knew more than you. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!!

            You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

          • Eric Jones

            Well since niether of us ever meet him we,ll never know.

          • Deerinwater

            If you had met Reagan went he was a Democrat , you would have found him a warm and personable man. If you were to met Reagan the Republican, you would find the same man but spoiled by “privilege” with more to lose.

          • truesoy

            Deerinwater,

            ….although one thing abour Reagan that should be said is, that by today’s republican standards he would be considered ‘liberal’. That is how far to the right the republicans have moved.

            Sincerely,
            Truesoy

          • macgyver1948

            Truesoy… That is true and one of the reasons is because Reagan is known as the “Tax And Spend Republican”. Cheers, :-).

          • truesoy

            macguyver1948;

            And the royal crown of ‘ waste and spend taxes’ goes to Bush this time around. He outdid Reagan on that.

            Sincerely,
            Truesoy

          • macgyver1948

            truesoy… Yep, we will feel the huge added damage done to our economy by the IMMORTAL bush wars for a long time to come…. The next few generations will be paying for them.

          • Eric Jones

            Why would a man going foward suddenly decide to start going backwards.

          • Deerinwater

            Well Eric, Reagan thought that he was going forward and in some ways he did. Much like many other republicans, he was sold a bill of good and started making a shell game out of our Federal taxing structure in an effort to stimulate growth and please the people that brought him to the dance while attempting to make it all look good and appealing to most everyone on paper.

            The Reagan administration favored certain people and punished or greatly injured certain people. It was under Reagan tenure that Corporate America took an openly greater control of our Federal Government then ever before and today their collective grip is only tighter. The legalized pillaging of American labor and resources became fashionable as you would hear the claim, “profit is not a dirty word”

            If you will think back, Reagan was always a pitchman for Corporate America, even when he was a democrat. It was during Reagan tenure that brought us Hedge Funds, Junk Bonds, leveraged buyouts, hostile takeovers and sell off. ~ It was during all this that Mitt Romney and “The Donald” arrived on the scene and started creating personal wealth as the AG office turned it’s head, and the rules of commerce were change along with the tax laws to favor the top earner at the expense of millions of lower wage earners.

            Greater profits and proceeds from capitalist commerce and free enterprise were captured by the top earners and CEO’s. It became fashionable to lay off~ soon to retire employees, denying them the full retirement they were promised. Then they started laying off employees 6 months short their “vested” year, denying them the vested employee package they were originally offered at hiring. Then pension funds was cut, on and on it went.

            Employers replaced these employees with Part time workers to skirt the responsibility required by law for full time employees.

            Those are just a few examples ( that are many more) how so many American workers got the shaft during Reagan “downsizing” of the Fed (in word only) while making it bigger. If the Fed could “downsize” so could Corporate America.

            When Reagan openly busted the Unions chops, suggesting he held little sympathy for the working man and woman of America while his focus and concerns were of a more Global nature.

            Today the Republican have found a new target of medium wages earners to squeeze, the policeman, fire fighters and school teachers and custodian are just making too much money compare to the rest of us. ~ well? I guess they are right, they have me working for next to nothing, I was doing much better during the 70′s then anytime since as far as commanding my wages.

            If you will notice, most all modern republican administrations hold a disproportional interest in world politics. It seems that they have a greater interest in their neighbors backyard then their own. Why they feel this need to get sucked into international affairs while ignoring their own is most baffling. The only answer to that question that I can think of is ~ “New Markets” and Corporate America Greed.

          • Eric Jones

            I see thank you.

          • Deerinwater

            LOL ☻! well, it was only directed at the conversation between several posters as they seem to speaking in some kind of absolutes , where I fail to see any and would enjoy being shown such things!

            As for samurai, ~ I’m pretty sure I’ve read his book, ~ He’s is another one of those Conservative Right Wing Christian Coalition supporters than finally had to quit defending W’s debacle and now refuses to talk about it or what he has done and found a new home at the “same old address”

            Cooperate backing with deep pockets brought in a staff of PR personnel , high ranking Dick Army coupled with Dick Chaney “Crossroad” and a corp of press secretary’s , new change of paint color, $2,000.00 worthy of flower beds and sidewalk work , new 50 years slate roof and the Tea Party was born with a broader appeal to more voters armed with “issues” that could be any American’s concern.

            Sssshhhhhhhhhhh! We are not suppose to know.

            But I would enjoy meaningfulness exchange on the virtues and pitfalls of all these various “isms” . It’d be fun.

          • Eric Jones

            Yeah that sounds like him!!

          • macgyver1948

            Deerinwater…. LOL is right… I too would enjoy fun verbol “isms” with those who do not see eye toeye with me. IT would rtfemain fun if it remained intellangent and there would be no name calling or massive generalizations when they can’t say anything intellangent to those who “do not agree with them”. Then it is walk aqway time because you would have a more intellangent conversation with a brick wall. It is not alway fun to have those verbol “isms” with those who do see eye toeye with me because there is no learning or even challange. I do nto want to change peoples minds, that they have to do for themselves if they want to.

            We are Americans and what gets me the most is when Americans try to take Americanism out of America. What I mean is they can say all they want “we want smaller and less intrusive government” but only if we get it “our” ways. That is how you destroy “Liberty and Freedom for all”. That is how you create an elclusive for om country with only one standard fo beliefs and views.

            We do not insist that our religion is the only right way. We do not insist what we want for us you have to accept as well or you are going to hell. We do not choose for others. What the hell did our nations Founders fight a Revolutionary War for? We might as well still be speaking British and bowing to the king and his “only right” religion and his form of it.

            Let’s leave W’s debacle alone except to use it as a model of what not to do ever again. I fear if Romney wins we will have more of W’s debacles because he is for it and he asked many of GW bush’s Secretaries of… and other advisores to join him. Scary stuff, HUH? Amazing how the man who keeps his tax secrets from us, unlike his dad did when he ran in 1969 offerring up 12 years worth, expects us to trust him with his Bain record. I hope if Romney wins he totally leaves all his religion out of his policy making because beteen that and his KOCHisms I think we should all be scared…

            I often speak of Romney’s corporatism. The GOP will so back him on that against those of us who aren’t a big corporation, by what ever percentage we are called. The huge space beteeen the top and us will get to large for us to deal with if Romney and the TP owned GOP wins. If people “hate” Obama so much they should at least find a canditate who will represent us and not only the corporations. I am for America-ISM.

          • Deerinwater

            Hmm? ~ it seems rather obvious that the same powers that gave us and supported “W” and all his administrations globe trotting, pilfering and over-spending are attempting to install another “puppet” that will be more then “sympathetic” to “only” the highest earners in the nation, regardless of any claims and promises Mitt Romney makes during this upcoming election cycle.

            What is it about these self described ” Conservative Christians” that makes them so naive and gullible I’m slow to offer my opinion as I find it so ~ so very condescending to suggest people of reasonable intelligence could be fooled not once but twice by the same old tricks, by the same people in the short span of only 8 years.

            People that believe everything that is written and presented to them as Holy Scripture carry about their own kind of dysfunctional thinking. My mother is one such person so it’s not like it’s anything new to me or that she might ever change. Her mind is set up like concrete, ~ Nothing is allowed “in” that she does not already know or believe and that’s just the way it is, while her political bias swings to middle left and not to the far right.

            God is good, the devil is bad ~ everything good is of God while everything bad is the work of the Devil, while God made everything including the Devil, Then God decided to give both man and the devil dominion of earth and freewill as he siced the devil on them. This GOD is quit a trickster with a strange sense of humor. He’s loving, He’s hateful, He taunts, He lies , He cheats , He steals, ~ He tells you, you should love him and if you don’t you will die and then you die anyway. You are told you have been prepared a place, two places actually when you shall spent eternity, one being much warmer then the other.

            Gee Thanks!

            I don’t have too much of a problem living with mothers ways, as long as I ‘m not having to live with her, while it’s annoying that I find it necessary to decline her request that I be Baptized. To subject ones self to baptizing to get your mother off your assets seems more of a self defeating showing of weakness of conviction and character as far as I’m concerned. I was 6 days old the first time that she carried my tiny a$$ to church and for 14 years, every time the doors were open the family was there.

            I’d say 14 years of intense Christian study should have done whatever it was going to do. It made me what I am today. A believer in the Divine that would favor Easter Asian teaching that offer many of the same spiritual insights without all the sin, eternal hells fire a damnation, human sacrifice and martyrdom that I personally find so very “Jewish” that it makes me ill. Being Jewish is fine, I simply don’t happen to be one.

            But , ~ I’m not taking any chances! I’m dressing light!

            This Christian fallacy is rooted in both facts and fiction by cleaver author(s) in their search for the Obedient to preside dominion as we willingly accept the belief that anything is possible to the Divine.

          • macgyver1948

            Deerinwater… Many of us non-conservatives have referred to Mitt as a corporate puppet. I believe he was bought by Koch but that is another story. But it is because of that I believe this election will come down to which ones Capitalism we more align ourselves with. Obama, being a politician, is to a degree also a puppet but no where near as Mitt.

            Let’s consider Mitt’s assertion that “corporations are people”. I think the Founders would shoot him for even saying that but it does show where his alliances are, that and so many other things he does and says in his past and present. Also I feel Supreme Court betrayed us with Citizens United. Mitt, for us, ain’t fit…

            When you have time take a look at the following two sites. You might just see why I feel the founders would shoot Mitt for his farce and be very angry with the SCOTUS.

            http://trueslant.com/rickungar/2010/01/22/what-did-the-founding-fathers-really-think-about-corporations-and-their-rights/

            http://idealistpropaganda.blogspot.com/2011/10/what-founding-fathers-thought-about.html

            In your comment to me you include “God is good, the devil is bad ~ everything good is of God while everything bad is the work of the Devil, while God made everything including the Devil. Well, God did crate the devil along with other angels and other entities. With Free Will the devil decided all on his own to be who he is. I don’t agree that the devil shares Earth with us but there is more than enough evil to go around, he is wherever God put him. Almost all of the evil men do is what men decide to do. As with the the devil also man decides what he will do. Then we pay for it but we have that Free Will. I do not believe in fate because of that. God is always watching.

            You also said “What is it about these self described ” Conservative Christians” that makes them so naive and gullible I’m slow to offer my opinion as I find it so ~ so very condescending to suggest people of reasonable intelligence could be fooled not once but twice by the same old tricks, by the same people in the short span of only 8 years”.

            I’m not sure it was in only 8 years for many but many do feel that way and we have to accept it or we have no right for us to expect anyone to accept us. I am how my Bible teaches for me but I am also for The Golden Rule.

            You ended with “It made me what I am today. A believer in the Divine that would favor Easter Asian teaching that offer many of the same spiritual insights without all the sin, eternal hells fire a damnation, human sacrifice and martyrdom that I personally find so very “Jewish” that it makes me ill. Being Jewish is fine, I simply don’t happen to be one”.

            LOL… Ok, From a Jew to a non-Jew,,, Shalom …LOL

          • Deerinwater

            As for all that “God business and “him” giving it to the “devil” to sway “man” that was “given” dominion” are not my thoughts or convictions but an over simplified accounting of the way in which it was “taught” to me and is still taught from the pulpit today here in the bible belt of America by the Church of Christ.

            They seem to use the/a story where Jesus was tempted by the devil , offered the world to support this belief. There several other old Jewish stories recited in “our” bible that seems to offer support for this notion of interpretation.

            I believe these are great old stories to scare the living daylights out of people, especial children. I see them a old Jewish Teaching aids that grow bigger with each telling and not necessary factual.

            I’ve never enjoyed the notion that I was to be found unworthy or unclean “Regardless” .

            I’ve never enjoyed the notion that my God had a chosen people and I was not included until after the brutal killing of a righteous prophet by government serving as proxy to the church.

            That is simply not the way a God that created everything would conduct affairs.

            Christian leadership find complex and cleaver ways to gloss over such issues and points of contention. Where indeed we do finally get down to this “leap of faith” that seems to make all ends meet and offer a doctrine for personal salvation , which I’ve yet to accept some need for.

            Anyway, I enjoy your banter macgyver1948. Keep it coming.

            http://youtu.be/LGrlWOhtj3g

          • macgyver1948

            Deerinwater… I suppose there are those “to scare” stories in bibles but for a purpose, there are wisdomisms in them. The first one was when Eve tempted Adam with the apple to “bite” which led them to be expelled from the garden. It was about “Disobeying” God and not really about the apple but I think it was also about not giving into evil and wrong temptations. They serve an important purpose if you do not take them very literally. Since I believe in Torah (some have named it the Five Books Of Moses) I believe God was teaching us stuff for all time.

            Now, as for your “. I’ve never enjoyed the notion that my God had a chosen people and I was not included until after the brutal killing of a righteous prophet by government serving as proxy to the church. That is simply not the way a God that created everything would conduct affairs”.

            My dad told me early on my mouth would get me into trouble but if I really believe what I say I should speak it so I do. I was brought up in the Bronx NYC in an Ultra-conservative Jewish home and I basically still am but I cheat on the Kosher laws. I went to Hebrew school from before Kindergarten until a year or so after my Bar Mitzvah. I so often wonder about things I hear/read and I do not take them only as they are told just because the authority I chose says so.

            Now, as for your “I’ve never enjoyed the notion that my God had a chosen people and I was not included until after the brutal killing of a righteous prophet by government serving as proxy to the church. That is simply not the way a God that created everything would conduct affairs”.

            A long time ago, in my studies of Torah and my bible, the studies made me wonder. For example, in the Golden Calf story after God becomes so angry with the Isrealites for that damning golden calf thing God tells Moses He will kill all the Isrealites for their mis-doings and continue His search for a people who would accept all of His laws, His gift – Torah. The Isrealites were the first to accept all of God’s laws. There are other lessons to follow in Gods words to Moses but we are now talking about your not liking God having a “chosen people”.

            Here are my thoughts on that and they did get me funny looks from Rabbis and others of my faith, as it often did, lol. God said to Moses “…and I will continue to look for a people who will accept all My laws and not only some of them”. This made me think God offered Torah to other people before He did us. Maybe we Jews were not necessarily the so-called “chosen people” but were instead The first to choose and accept all of what God was offering. BY the way, the Ten Commandants is a part of Torah.

            It was and still is a huge deal to God then and still is now for the accepting and teaching of Torah in all its completeness. Of course I could be wrong with my thinking because I would never assume for God but I can use what He gave me and think and reason with it. By the way, the words haven’t changed since they were written in Heaven so I still believe them.

            I mentioned there were other lessons that followed in the Golden Calf story but I wont go into them unless I am asked, because I am NOT doing this to convince anyone of anything (to each his own faith with total respect), but one of those lessons show why we Jews do not accept baptism – we can’t. The Golden Calf story shows God telling us it is not needed.:-))).

            I always enjoy good intelligent banter too. It should be for academic purposes so I will never understand the childish name calling.

        • truesoy

          Eric Jones;

          ….and one of the biggest ironies yet, is the fact that the very conservative seems to be unaware that they are fighting for conservative causes while enjoying the fruits of liberalism.

          Sincerely,
          Truesoy

          • Eric Jones

            LOL!!!

    • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

      Dear Eric Jones,

      You write: “you propagate the myth that there are socialists in the goverment. there (sic) is not (sic) the socialists are in the streets protesting for some of the values you yourself belive (sic) in.” Government is filled with socialists and fascists. I’m not sure who you are referring to, and what values you’re referring to.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • Eric Jones

        The values you and the socialsts in the street share are as followed. 1 you both want goverment out of peoples lives i.e you want give people better control over ther money the socialists want to give women better control over ther bodies 2 you both want to give power to the people albiet you have different ideas on how to achieve this. 3 you both belive in rewarding hard work. 4 you both hate bailouts. and most importenly 5 nietyer of you like obama. also at the end of your message to mne you said ” goverment is filled with socialist and fascists ” while no one can deny the fascists in the goverment i.e john mccain i must say again ther are NO SOCIALISTS in the current adminerstraition. show me some one you think is one and i can show you how they arn,t and as an ACTUAL socialist i belive that with all due respect i am better qualified to find one then you. respectfully yours Eric Jones.

        • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

          Dear Eric Jones,

          You write: “as an ACTUAL socialist i belive that with all due respect i am better qualified to find one then you.” Ok then, please tell me what makes one a socialist. Why do you believe you are a socialist?

          Best wishes,
          Bob

          • Eric Jones

            The true socialist belives that as the vast majority of society it only makes sence that the working class should be the ruling class. we belive that the resources of a countrey is the soverign property of ALL IT,S PEOPLE not a tiny minority. we belive that the working class is the rightfull owners of the means of production because they are the ones working ther fingers to the bone while the capitilists horde the majority of the profits giving the worker JUST ENOUGH to survive i.e. pay the bills and buy food. we belive ” from each acording to his ability to each acording to his need ” . we belive that a job health care and education are HUMAN RIGHTS not commidites to be bought sold and traded. we belive that the decisions that affect the people should be made by the people not behind close doors. but most importentlly we belive that the econamy of a nation should be based on the needs of the populace not the maximazation of profits. now be honest does that sound anything like your beliefs be honest now. respectfully yours Eric Jones.

          • macgyver1948

            Eric Jones…. Just commenting here on your post and I am just looking at the words so it isn’t against you personally.
            “The true socialist belives that as the vast majority of society it only makes sence that the working class should be the ruling class. we belive that the resources of a countrey is the soverign property of ALL IT,S PEOPLE not a tiny minority. we belive that the working class is the rightfull owners of the means of production because they are the ones working ther fingers to the bone while the capitilists horde the majority of the profits giving the worker JUST ENOUGH to survive i.e. pay the bills and buy food. we belive ” from each acording to his ability to each acording to his need “.

            If it is true that “socialist belives that as the vast majority of society it only makes sence that the working class should be the ruling class” I so doubt that the majority of Dems/Liberals/whatever might be referred to cannot be socialists as many on the Right claim. I myself and so many I have spoken with over the years do not believe that, not for America. Generally we do not believe in a “ruling class” but only to follow the laws so I guess all of “We The People” are the ruling class since we own the government, or at least legally we do. I wish the Government would remember that in the legal sense as well.

            My point is for the Right to call us socialists would most likely be the result of what they are told by their leaders, be they TEA or GOP or Koch. We Dems/Liberals/whatever believe in freedom and liberty guided by the Constitution as the founders wanted for us with some historical adjustments which do not include giving up liberty for the sake of security*(see my Benjamin Franklin quote below) as, for example GW bush and HLS did. We believe in free choice for ourselves tampered by The Golden Rule and so many of us do so with morality. So how can TEA or any on the Right claim we are Socialists or Communists unless it might be because we do not totally agree with them and they have to have a name(s) for us?

            Eric, I agree with you in concept but maybe not totally how you are saying it. That is my problem, not yours. I also wish you used commas so it would better be known what you are saying so bear with me. You said “we belive that a job health care and education are HUMAN RIGHTS not commidites to be bought sold and traded”.

            See, I am a believer in our right to “the pursuit of happiness” when it comes to the private sector. From Government I have a bit different belief. I am not sure we are owed a “job” if we were we would get “the JOB” at the first interview and how could that be? There are often others applying for that same job. As for health care/insurance, well, someone has to pay for it. I was a Programming Manager for a fairly large University a while back. I had to maintain and design programs, with the help of my programming staff, for all the Universities needs and we couldn’t if we didn’t learn their needs for each system- finance, student history, payroll, inventory, etc. I believe Government, our taxes, should pay up to high school but to run a University it takes big bucks. I bet the government would have to eventually charge us 200 plus% in taxes, of our salaries, to fund those things and how would that work?

            There are some things I see our taxes paying for and there are the basics that we have to do for ourselves. I believe in Social Security for those who qualify and I believe in welfare for those who canNOT work. I believe in fare and livable wages from the jobs we get so we can pay our bills and have a decent life but, and I hate siding with the corporations, we need the corporations, without their huge greeeeeed, or the country will never survive. Welfare on both ends of the economic strata must be tampered with need. The wealthy does not need the welfare they get.

            I am talking about Trickle down as an example of corporate welfare. That will never work if the incentives given to the top is not used as incentives to create jobs but instead used as savings for them. Tax breaks for the ultra class also will not work if they mizer it, that too is an example of corporate greed if used that way. Where are all the jobs supposed to happen from all the bush tax gifts? Trickle Down can work if the need to feed greed is eliminate, or at least not practiced. But I believe the economy will be better stimulate, given the reality of TD, with “Trickle Up”. That is tax breaks for the rest of us so we can spend. If we do not have extra money how can we spend at the Walmarts or the car dealers for things above our needs – food, rent, clothing when we can, utilities, etc, if we can even for the needs? I personally knew many at Walmart’s home office area, their home office itself and the big SuperCenter across the street, where associates have to turn down the insurance because they couldn’t afford any more payroll deductions. It is not exclusive to just that area and I bet not to just Walmart itself.

            The Trickle Up thing is just one suggestion but there are others. If only the big guys have extra money who will be buying and stimulating the economy even at their businesses?

            Eric… Maybe we see things more alike but I am just stating my so-called liberal views my way. I do respect your way… At any rate, I dEric Jones…. Just commenting here on the start of your post and I am just looking at the words so it isn’t against you.
            “The true socialist belives that as the vast majority of society it only makes sence that the working class should be the ruling class. we belive that the resources of a countrey is the soverign property of ALL IT,S PEOPLE not a tiny minority. we belive that the working class is the rightfull owners of the means of production because they are the ones working ther fingers to the bone while the capitilists horde the majority of the profits giving the worker JUST ENOUGH to survive i.e. pay the bills and buy food. we belive ” from each acording to his ability to each acording to his need “.

            If it is true that “socialist belives that as the vast majority of society it only makes sence that the working class should be the ruling class” I so doubt that the majority of Dems/Liberals/whatever might be referred to cannot be socialists as many on the Right claim. I myself and so many I have spoken with over the years do not believe that, not for America. Generally we do not believe in a “ruling class” but only to follow the laws so I guess all of “We The People” are the ruling class since we own the government, or at least legally we do. I wish the Government would remember that in the legal sense as well.

            My point is for the Right to call us socialists would most likely be the result of what they are told by their leaders, be they TEA or GOP or Koch. We Dems/Liberals/whatever believe in freedom and liberty guided by the Constitution as the founders wanted for us with some historical adjustments which do not include giving up liberty for the sake of security*(see my Benjamin Franklin quote below) as, for example GW bush and HLS did. We believe in free choice for ourselves tampered by The Golden Rule and so many of us do so with morality. So how can TEA or any on the Right claim we are Socialists or Communists unless it might be because we do not totally agree with them and they have to have a name(s) for us?

            Eric, I agree with you in concept but maybe not totally how you are saying it. That is my problem, not yours. I also wish you used commas so it would better be known what you are saying so bear with me. You said “we belive that a job health care and education are HUMAN RIGHTS not commidites to be bought sold and traded”.

            See, I am a believer in our right to “the pursuit of happiness” when it comes to the private sector. From Government I have a bit different belief. I am not sure we are owed a “job” if we were we would get “the JOB” at the first interview and how could that be? There are often others applying for that same job. As for health care/insurance, well, someone has to pay for it. I was a Programming Manager for a fairly large University a while back. I had to maintain and design programs, with the help of my programming staff, for all the Universities needs and we couldn’t if we didn’t learn their needs for each system- finance, student history, payroll, inventory, etc. I believe Government, our taxes, should pay up to high school but to run a University it takes big bucks. I bet the government would have to eventually charge us 200 plus% in taxes, of our salaries, to fund those things and how would that work?

            There are some things I see our taxes paying for and there are the basics that we have to do for ourselves. I believe in Social Security for those who qualify and I believe in welfare for those who canNOT work. I believe in fare and livable wages from the jobs we get so we can pay our bills and have a decent life but, and I hate siding with the corporations, we need the corporations, without their huge greeeeeed, or the country will never survive. Welfare on both ends of the economic strata must be tampered with need. The wealthy does not need the welfare they get.

            I am talking about Trickle down as an example of corporate welfare. That will never work if the incentives given to the top is not used as incentives to create jobs but instead used as savings for them. Tax breaks for the ultra class also will not work if they mizer it, that too is an example of corporate greed if used that way. Where are all the jobs supposed to happen from all the bush tax gifts? Trickle Down can work if the need to feed greed is eliminate, or at least not practiced. But I believe the economy will be better stimulate, given the reality of TD, with “Trickle Up”. That is tax breaks for the rest of us so we can spend. If we do not have extra money how can we spend at the Walmarts or the car dealers for things above our needs – food, rent, clothing when we can, utilities, etc, if we can even for the needs? I personally knew many at Walmart’s home office area, their home office itself and the big SuperCenter across the street, where associates have to turn down the insurance because they couldn’t afford any more payroll deductions. It is not exclusive to just that area and I bet not to just Walmart itself.

            The Trickle Up thing is just one suggestion but there are others. If only the big guys have extra money who will be buying and stimulating the economy even at their businesses?

            Eric… Maybe we see things more alike but I am just stating my so-called liberal views my way. I do respect your way… At any rate, I don’t think I could be a Socialists, I love Americanism to much…

            *”They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” Benjamin Franklin said this.
            on’t think I could be a Socialists, I love Americanism to much… And, that is my American Liberal Stand.

            *”They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” Benjamin Franklin said this.

          • Eric Jones

            I can see how you would come to some of the conclusions you stated and thank you for realizing that the democrats are not socialists in fact i doubt they are even liberal anymore but i must sadly inform you that ” we the people ” do not own this countrey the white house is now the sole property of wall street. and the tea-party only wants the people who agree with them to be in power so you,re right they don,t count . and as for ” trickle down ” just remember to trickle means either to be poured in drops or a thin stream i am paraphrasing the dictionarey from memorey and by that definition i would say ” trickle down ” is alive and well. just my opinion though.

          • macgyver1948

            Eric Jones… We seem to see things from different angles bnut we might want the same in the end. I agree with your TEA comments, they do only want to associate with those who agree with them, at the top anyway, and all who disagrees with them has to be wrong. That is very much not America but it is TEA at the top. We are slowing losing it to the government and the big corporations who owns them but that too is were TEA at the top and the Founders differ. TEA seems to want corporate conquest and the Founders feared the Corporations.

            Every time I hear Romney speak TEA, as with “Corporations are People” I feel he wants to either eliminate the Founders all together or re-write them.

          • Eric Jones

            I realize i might sound paraniod but it,s not just Romney it,s EVERY mainstream politician democrat or republican

          • macgyver1948

            Eric Jones…. You say “I realize i might sound paraniod but it,s not just Romney it,s EVERY mainstream politician democrat or republican”.

            Sometimes paranoia is trying to tell us something real. I would tend to agree with your statement. I think some politicians might come into public life with the ‘intent’ to do good things for their constituents but the system as it has evolved can corrupt those hopes all to often.

          • Eric Jones

            Could,nt say it better myself.

      • http://naver samurai

        SSDD, eh Eric? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot. This leaves out Eric and truesoy.

        • Eric Jones

          You know i just realized something. a TRUE PATRIOT would allow his fellow countreymen to live ther lives and not enforce HIS views on THER lives. guess that counts you out sammy boy.

      • Bert Cundle Sr.

        samurai says:

        July 19, 2012 at 2:09 am

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

        —————————————————============———————————————-

        Who Doesan’t love their Country… Ya still Love your Country, even when you don’t love your Government / Neighbors / Family etc. Especialy if you are away from it. ( Loving your Country is based on the Government & Population, you are in troubble) A house, is a Home, when you Love it!
        How can anyone fear what they Love!?

    • Bert Cundle Sr.

      Bob Livingston says:

      July 18, 2012 at 9:47 am ………..

      Bob: Communism is; When 2 or More Families live togehter // Socialism; is when people discuss things together.

  • Deerinwater

    I would enjoy hear some good question if you ever get the notion to write such a theses.

    Like, what are the Right Wing Conservative Christian Coalition doing today?

    What is their position on the Affordable Health Care Act?
    What do the thing about the Syrian question today.
    What to they think about ending the FED?
    What do they think about a gold based currency system ?
    What would the like to see changed in the Federal Government?

  • http://donr.mygofoods.com Don Ruane

    Bob. Thank you for the Answers article. I have been reading you stuff for years and agree 90% with you, I rely on your honesty and verify the last 10%, I have been very pleased with your work and want you to continue ” Telling like it is” to a very sick America.

  • Bert Cundle Sr.

    Bob: How can you be Objective? You claim to be a Christian… Did you avoid work by writing?

  • CommonSense Carl

    Finally a forum where most can discuss and issue without name calling or threats of violence. What better way to educate ones’s self and broaden your view. I agree that most views have been manufactured over the years by media and the like. I think however the current times are producing people who are genuinely looking inside and out for real truth. I have questioned the party system for sometime based on a few simple ideas floated by both parties that have never happened. Term limits and the balanced budget ammendment come to mind. Each professes the need and desire to change but neither has made it happen. I think it is difficult for some to believe that niether party is interested in their welfare because it brings on fear. Most have come to count on the government for mental security if not financial. The idea that none of them really care is frightening so they hold on to one side or the other. The President used a similar statement when he said people hold onto their faith and guns in an effort to get people to believe he was the answer.
    I look forward to visiting and reading the comments on this forum. Perhaps someday we will meet in the real America.

  • boyscout

    Mr Livingston, After digesting your post I am very sorry that you believe such of our present situation. I am sorrier still that I have come to believe the same.
    And , yes, I know that I can’t hide from the Patriot Carnivore as they surely have my IP listed as well just for visiting this site.
    It’s just that I do enjoy the banter and banalities as much as the insights and I am gratefull for your role in hosting. Thank you.
    Best wishes !

  • Jacobite

    There’s no apparent difference between Left and Right if you’re tuning in from the planet Bizarro. Libertarians (and the other off-the-maps wackjobs) are beginning to worry me more than the Leftists).

  • Deerinwater

    “Who is Bob Livingston? I am a Christian American patriot. In the 1960s, I became alarmed at the direction our Nation was headed. I became frustrated with the lies, deceit, misinformation and deliberate disinformation being spread as “truth” by the government, the manipulated media and the controlling elite. I believed the lies needed be exposed, so I began to seek an outlet to do that. In 1969, I began publishing my subscription newsletter,”

    Damn, ~ just how old are you Bob? When you started publishing your news letter I was fighting bugs big enough to carry a man off and racing though hot flack thick enough to walk on and I’m 64. I didn’t have the luxury of time or the inclination to entertain notions of national leadership or holding on to my personal wealth. You couldn’t be anymore then 15 years older then I, ~ that would make you 79 today.

    There is a timeline that explains all matter of things if you are privileged to know it. At 21 or 28 or 38 years of age I know very few persons that have the education and life experiences to make sound leadership decision outside the battle field of war where man and material is considered “expendable” where there hangs in the balance only two things, ~ victory or defeat, live or die.

    Young men have always fought old men’s wars and I don’t see that changing anytime soon. At 19 , ~ I set out to kill some Commie Gorillas, not knowing how scrawny they really were or thinking about the fact they lived in grass huts, holes in the ground or had mothers, wives , sons and daughters. I was indoctrinated, programmed to be like dad and be proud of who I was and what I represented.

    It’s interesting to note that you are a Christian first and foremost, I’m left to assume that you believe there be only one kind of Christian, while we see many different varieties of Christians today. Some , much like the early Templars’ established by the church in 1129. They are militant in nature and favor the evangelical arm of the Christian doctrine. Killing infidels and burning witch’s in defense of the faithful was at one time common place and it alarms many Americans today to think such practices might be reinstated if given the opportunity and it seen as fashionable on Fox News.

    That you are not just any American but a patriot American while it seems that you manage to skirt Korea and Nam experience so that would make your age somewhere between 68 and 72 or privileged or just lucky in someway.

    It is good that someone like yourself has taken up to quest to expose the truth about government and health care, while I’m not certain that your truths could be my truths, while I do enjoy your viewpoints. But make no mistake about it, there is a huge difference between the GOP and the DNC. The social economic makeup, mindset and self-image that supports democrats and republicans is miles apart. To believe unrelenting orchestrated “disinformation’ is responsible for this abyss is an error.

    Democrats do not see themselves as “exclusive” as been set apart from others. They don’t hold notions of being the “Chosen Ones” like we see repeated time and time again in the Christian rewrite of the Jewish bible. Democrats are just people, worsts and all and accept each other and all our many differences. Democrats are social minded people, this is true, yet “Tolerance” is not considered “consent ”

    Republicans? in few word “are not social minded” not when they attempt to impose their brand of Christianity on anyone that will stand still for it. While making claims they want government out of their lives yet wish to install their notion of Christian principles into government. ~ This idea of maybe being left alone and being your brothers keeper at the same time, quite simply don’t work.

    The Libertarian, like the republican will favor the elite and wealthy every-time ~ how this wealth was acquired doesn’t seem to matter. This is the mentality of a house black, they don’t care! Money is money and a poor man can’t give them nothing! But he can fight your wars, run your factories and do all the work that you are too good to do.

    So vote for Mitt Romney and may the best man win.

    • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

      Dear Deerinwater,

      You write: “You couldn’t be anymore then 15 years older then I, ~ that would make you 79 today.” You are in the ballpark.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

  • Dean Vargas

    Well stated!

  • Robert Rashbrooke

    Some really good posts here today, with none of the name calling that belittles the effort of readers to comminicate with others to find our common ideologies.

    One Comment though, please read your post and if necessary, edit it, before posting it, and buy a dictionary, and use punctuation, since that is one sure way to succinctly get your point over. The English language is very capable of portraying exactly what you mean to say.

    We all reach our political view based on numerous experiences in early life, conditioned by our family, schooling, military experience etc.

    For me, equality is paramount, no one should be considered superior to any other, irrespective of what job he does, how much money he has made or who his family just happened to be. With that equality comes respect, earned by what the person has achieved. I do not feel that just because a person has possibly bought his way into a State Governorship that I should “tug my forelock” to show allegience to him. He is after all ONLY a public servant who CHOSE to do that job and as such should not expect preferential treatment for doing the job.
    A prime example of this is the two interviews on YouTube of Rand Paul, first when he first became a Representative, at which point he was only too happy to talk to the press and spell out what he intended doing for the people, and the second a year or so later, when he was just too busy and important to stop and say to the same reporter thst ‘Sorry, I am too busy to talk right now, make an appointment’ but just walked away and ignored the reporter. This attitude, uunfortunately, is prevalent amongst our politicians, who see themselves mainly as our employers/managers/superiors and who expect us to take everything they throw at us without question.

    More people need to take an interest in politics or else it will never change, and change is needed. The apathy shown is staggering. When I try to raise the subject amongst my co workers, they get angry at me and tell me I need to go back to my own country, despite the fact that my intention is to try to make things better for THEM as well as myself. I read these posts and wonder why Republicans want the self serving policies they propose, emphasizing self isolation and maintaining their presently affordable position, as opposed to community based solutions, which should end up benefitting all the people, like AHC. Do the people who advocate selfish policies not realise that one day they may be in the same position as the people against whom they are proposing restrictive policy. Tolerance is much the better policy, since if you don’t believe in that policy you do not have to use it, provided that the law/rule is written with that idea in mind. So much of what we have to accept, dictated to us by vested interests, is just pure unadulterated garbage, and if it had not been for the legal profession filling their purses, would never have come into operation.

    Like most of you, I just want a quiet life, I do not want to dictate to other people what they should be doing, and I don’t want them dictating their views to me. (The definition, partly, of the word Liberal).

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