Another Stupid, Senseless, Illegal War

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The headline over a New York Times opinion piece said it all: “Bomb Syria, Even If It Is Illegal.” How’s that for a bald-faced declaration of warmongering intent?

Ian Hurd, the author of the article, is an associate professor of political science at Northwestern University. In his column, he admits: “As a legal matter, the Syrian government’s use of chemical weapons does not automatically justify armed intervention by the United States.”

But his attitude is pretty much, “So what?” Here’s what he says next: “There are moral reasons for disregarding the law, and I believe the Obama administration should intervene in Syria. But it should not pretend that there is a legal justification in existing law.”

Got that? Existing law doesn’t justify our armed intervention in Syria. So what would? Hurd writes: “… Mr. Obama and allied leaders should declare that international law has evolved and that they don’t need Security Council approval to intervene in Syria.”

What a wonderful Machiavellian solution! Just declare that international law has “evolved” enough to justify whatever the heck you want to do, and then go ahead and do it. That attitude would certainly put the final nails in the coffin of our Constitutional protections, wouldn’t it?

The good professor concludes his argument: “This would be popular in many quarters [want to bet?], and I believe it’s the right thing to do. But if the American government accepts that the rule of law is the foundation of civilized society, it must be clear that this represents a new legal path.”

No it doesn’t, professor. It represents a new illegal path — one that can result only in more tyrannical actions by even more dictatorial governments.

It’s Thursday morning as I put the finishing touches on this piece. So far, the United States and its allies haven’t fired the first shot. With Obama heading to a G-20 conference (in Russia, of all places) next week and Congress not back in session for two more weeks, it may be a while before the first missile is launched.

But every leak out of the White House indicates the President is going to do something, by golly. Even Barack Obama is now referring to firing a shot across Bashar Assad’s bows. But not to worry; we’re promised that there will be no “feet on the ground” by U.S. forces. Our surgical strikes will be quick, lasting only two or three days.

That’s what our leaders say. But when have our policies in the Mideast ever worked out as promised? Our billions in aid to Egypt sure haven’t won us much respect there or brought their own citizens much peace, have they?

If you think The Times’ piece was provocative, just wait until you hear what the supposedly conservative Wall Street Journal had to say on the subject. Bret Stephens, who writes the “Global View” column in The Journal, had a doozy. He argued that the “main order of business” for any military intervention in Syria “must be to kill Bashar Assad.”

And not just Assad: “Also, Bashar’s brother and principal henchman, Maher. Also, everyone else in the Assad family with a claim on political power.” But Stephens doesn’t want the death toll to stop there. The fatalities should also include “all of the political symbols of the Assad family’s power, including all of their official or unofficial residences.”

Forget about hitting military targets, Stephens says. Just kill the rulers and blow up their palaces. According to the columnist, “a civilized world cannot tolerate” a government’s using chemical weapons against its own citizens. That “plumbs depths of barbarity matched in recent history only by Saddam Hussein.”

I’d argue that the Muslim jihadists’ use of suicide bombers to massacre innocent civilians — whether in Israel, the Mideast or the Twin Towers in New York City — is as barbarous as anything done by Saddam or Assad to their own citizens.

At the end of his column, Stephens says, “What’s at stake now is the future of civilization, and whether the word still has any meaning.” Sorry, but I don’t agree that the “civilized” response to Assad’s butchery is for us to kill him and his family. I think we should stay out of the whole bloody mess. I believe George Washington got it right in his farewell address, when he urged this country to avoid foreign entanglements.

I suspect most Personal Liberty readers agree with me. But a whole lot of our opinion molders don’t, including FOX TV’s superstar host, Bill O’Reilly. This past Tuesday, he opened his program with a “Talking Points” segment: “What President Obama Should Do About Syria.”

In his remarks, O’Reilly called Syria’s tyrannical president “a war criminal, a mass murderer and baby killer.” He left no doubt he believes Assad has used poison gas against his own citizens and “is now responsible for thousands of injuries and hundreds of deaths.”

Then O’Reilly declared:

“So there is no question that Assad must be held accountable. If you believe in American exceptionalism, that this country has a moral obligation to save lives where it can all over the world, then you know the USA must act against Assad, as it did against Sadam Hussein.”

Hold on just a minute, O’Reilly. You must have a very different definition of American exceptionalism than I do. I’m one of the most passionate defenders of our Constitutional Republic you’ll ever find. But I certainly don’t agree that we have a “moral obligation to save lives where [we] can all over the world.” Certainly not by military intervention in a country that poses no threat to us. That’s the worst prescription for sticking our fat fingers in other countries’ affairs I’ve ever heard.

O’Reilly says that Obama “has a unique opportunity not only to damage Assad [at least he doesn’t advocate deliberately killing him and his family] but to show the world that we are the good guys and those helping Assad are the bad guys.”

Does he really think that throwing our weight (and our missiles) around is the way to convince more of the world that we’re the good guys? I don’t. In fact, the more we mind our own business and the less we try to be the policeman for the world, the better off we’ll all be.

O’Reilly had some further advice for Obama, including securing the support of “as many Arab countries as possible, beginning with Saudi Arabia.” Also, “Obama should go to Congress and ask for a vote of affirmation on using military power.” And finally, we should “ask Russia and China to support NATO actions.”

I’d rate his third suggestion as hopeless, his first as highly unlikely and his second as doable — but not before sometime in mid-September. Will the warmongers be willing to wait that long?

O’Reilly concluded: “If America wants to be a world leader, we cannot allow a tyrant to violate international law by using chemical weapons.”

I’ve got a better idea: Let’s stop trying to be the policeman for the world. The world doesn’t want it. And we can’t afford it.

Until next time, keep some powder dry.

–Chip Wood

Personal Liberty

Chip Wood

is the geopolitical editor of PersonalLiberty.com. He is the founder of Soundview Publications, in Atlanta, where he was also the host of an award-winning radio talk show for many years. He was the publisher of several bestselling books, including Crisis Investing by Doug Casey, None Dare Call It Conspiracy by Gary Allen and Larry Abraham and The War on Gold by Anthony Sutton. Chip is well known on the investment conference circuit where he has served as Master of Ceremonies for FreedomFest, The New Orleans Investment Conference, Sovereign Society, and The Atlanta Investment Conference.

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  • Harold Olsen

    I find it interesting that the left demanded Bush and Cheney be impeached for going into Iraq and Afghanistan. However, those same America-haters were fine with Obama and Biden escalating those two wars and starting others. They have no problem with him now wanting to go into Syria. We should be pulling our troops out, not sending them in.

    • Ronr

      And just like the right and tge far reich claimed it was unamerican to not support Bush, it is just as unamerican to not support this president who at this date has not gone to war. Impeach what , a thought??

      • jimmie smith

        Nobel peace prize…seems sort of irrelevant now?

      • chocopot

        You are a sick, demented moron. When are you going to go for help?

      • FreedomFighter

        Know the enemy — Obama and Bush are part of or under orders of…

        John F Kennedy Open Government Speech
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFTtL2ABq40&feature=fvsr

        Laus Deo
        Semper FI

        • Bill

          Good Comment, Free
          It amazes me that John Kennedy was more conservative than the right today. Just like Reagan, he knew that to have money to promote social programs, you had to promote the private sector by lowering taxes and making it easy to do business.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Reagan might have known that, but unfortunately overall taxes climbed under his watch:
            http://mises.org/daily/1544

          • Bill

            Hi Original Dave,
            The taxes rose because he got screwed by the democrats. He believed in compromise and he cut a deal that if he agreed to raise spending, taxes would be cut by $2 for every one dollar raised. He allowed the spending to be raised and the democrats reneged on the agreement

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Only Reagan knew what his real intentions were. I can only cite the actual results.

          • Liz

            I remember that.

          • Liz

            That is probably one reason he is dead.

          • Bill

            Hi Liz,
            You are probably on to something. I don’t like to assume things but look at what Johnson did when he got in office.

      • Jim S

        I’m one of those on the right and I didn’t support Bush’s foray into Iraq. I also don’t support any action in Syria. That makes me more American, not unAmerican. We still have the right to dissent in American, although this illegal administration is doing its best to squash any dissent.

      • Bill

        Ronr,
        You are just an ignorant sheep that has succumbed to the propaganda. There are no original thoughts coming from you.

  • Marie Asher

    And wee were told that 0bama was the president of PEACE. What a crock!

    • Terry Wood

      Pres of PEACE just like ISLAM is the religion of PEACE

      • Bill

        Also good comment, Terry

    • Bill

      Good comment, Marie

  • peter

    Ian Hurd and Barack Obama both need help – they are seriously ill! Only a fool would attempt to separate two rabid dogs in a fight! When Obama issues the order to send in the missiles he would have put his incompetence and idiocy beyond all doubt.

  • hipshotpercussion

    Killing babies? I seem to remember an American President named Bill Clinton and his attorney general who used gas banned by the Geneva Convention on innocent women and children in a Church in Waco TX. A lot of the ones who weren’t burned alive in the fire, were gunned down as they tried to escape. Does the term Hypocritical come to mind?

  • Alex

    Thanks for presenting the subject of suicide bombers, Chip.

    Suicide bombers are evil, no question about it—but sick as they are, they are morally superior to our own homicide bombers of the US Air Force, the Navy, the Marines, or the Army.

    The difference is that the misguided suicide bomber at least is willing to die to accomplish his or her evil deed; our homicide bombers, on the other hand, feel free to drop explosives on sleeping babies yet have at the least a very good chance to make back to base in time for dinner.

    Take Satan’s boy-toy Paul Tibbetts, pilot of the Enola Gay, who now burns in Hell if there is such a place. He was able to incinerate 70,000+ CIVILIANS and relive his mass-murder over and over and over again.

    By any measure, the Evil suicide bombers, while morally bankrupt, are still the moral superiors to our baby-killing homicide bombers….

    • native blood

      Alex, Does Harry Truman ring a bell? Is he the Satan you are referring to?

      • KG

        Alex make a good, natural law argument in implicating a moral equivalency between Suicide bombers and (love the term) Homicide bombers. It’s wasn’t Truman and some ‘evil Democrat’ that unleashed nuclear weapons upon the earth, but thousands of scientists and technicians working day and night to make something that would end the war and save umpteen amounts of lives in the process. I wouldn’t go as far as implicating Mr Tibbetts as a “satanic boy-toy” since he was ultimately a cog in a gigantic war machine whose only purpose was ending the conflict in victory.

        • chocopot

          For once I can agree with every word you just stated – except I do not agree with most of what Alex stated.

          • KG

            Thank you for your kind words.

        • Bill

          Kg,
          And here we have the un paralleled wisdom of KG one the moral superiority of one killer over another.
          Tell us about the moral superiority of Joseph Stalin and Mao tse Tung over Adolph Hitler. Tell us, oh wise one, how your heros were morally superior than Hitler.
          Let’s hear how depraved you really are

          • KG

            Say, Bill, do you even know what ‘moral’ means?

            Unless you understand that “moral” only means a persons ability to judge what is evil versus what is good, then claiming any kind of ‘superiority’ is really stupid.

          • KG

            Say, Bill, do you even know what ‘moral’ means?

            Unless you understand that “moral” only means a persons ability to judge what is evil versus what is good, then claiming any kind of ‘superiority’ is really stupid.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/moral
            Listening to anything the Commie-loving KGB says is “really stupid”.

          • KG

            Definition of MORAL
            1
            a : of or relating to principles of right and wrong in behavior : ethical

            Whats so different from this definition than from what I said? Unless you are reading too much into it. Lets see:

            of or relating to principles of good and evil in behavior

            ability to judge what is good versus what is evil

            Are you really saying that YOUR “morality” is better that mine?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Your morality is virtually nonexistent, KGB, so just about anybody has better morality than you.
            For example:
            Do you think it is okay for Government to take (steal) money from unwilling donors?
            Do you think it is okay for Union members to trespass, inhibit customers, perform violence, or any of the other coercive actions they perform?
            Do you think it is okay for Government to murder except in self-defense?

          • Charlie

            KG ,,, When , you can’t even explain Acts 2:38,,,AND can’t explain the difference between a “Bolshevik”,,, a Jew , or a Communist !!!,,, Then !!!,,, you want us to listen to a normal dictionary definition of ” Moral” ??? KG,,, go take a deep breath of “Smogville” air and eat a big bowl of GMO cereal ,,, then come back and tell us what Biblical Law is all about…………………

          • KG

            Matthew 7:12
            Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

          • Charlie

            KG ,,, very good , at least you got 1 scripture ,,,but ,,, you failed to tell us what Matthew 7:15 , 16 says about you… Go take another breath of Smogville air and read it………..

          • KG

            Matthew 7:21-23
            King James Version (KJV)
            21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
            22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
            23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

          • Charlie

            KG ,,, you skipped over 15, 16

          • KG

            Matthew 24:24
            For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

            I’m not deceived. I know who the enemy is. And it’s the same people who killed Christ, and would kill him if he came back again – Religious Nutcases.

          • Charlie

            KG ,,, ha ha ha ha ha ,,,, and you think you are the very elect??? haha ha ha ha ha han ha … Give us a break… You are about as brain dead as they get and still write some comedy ……………………………..

          • Charlie

            KG ,,, ha ha ha ha ha ,,,, and you think you are the very elect??? haha ha ha ha ha han ha … Give us a break… You are about as brain dead as they get and still write some comedy ……………………………..

          • KG

            Ezekiel 25:17

            The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother’s keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

          • Charlie

            KG ,,, Smogville basin is the “valley of darkness” … Better get out , while you can … Ezekiel 3:18 is one of the reasons We communicate with you… When you gonna apply some of this “Scriptures” you’re reading???

          • KG

            I guess I better not kill you. BTW, can you discern whats in my heart? Why YOU must be JESUS!

            Matthew 12:25-28
            King James Version (KJV)
            25 And Jesus knew their thoughts,and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:
            26 And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?
            27 And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges.
            28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

          • Bill

            KG,
            But yet you preach moral superiority. What’s up with that?

          • KG

            When did I ever ‘preach’ moral superiority? I do preach about the “morally superior” labor union movement because it IS morally superior! Anything I judge to be ‘morally superior is by definition morally superior.

    • native blood

      Alex, I noticed that you have a lot of baggage about the military. I am curious, did you apply at one time and you were rejected or did you enlist and got kicked out on a chapter 13? You sure are bitter when you address the military and yet you are so ignorant about command structure.

    • http://batman-news.com Jim B

      Alex, man’s inhumanity to man knows no bounds, especially when bureaucratic fools are behind it, I get that! As a species, we can be many things, but killing, in the name of good or evil, is our worst trait of all. That we can kill each other indiscriminately separates us from the rest of the animal kingdom, this one we learned on our own and is an evil within us that we may never conquer.

    • Don 2

      Gee, and all this time here I was thinking that Japan had attacked America?

      • TheOriginalDaveH
        • Don 2

          You’re getting a bit out there Dave. Japan had choices too. Japan did not have to enter the war, and align itself with the aggressors, Germany and Italy. Why wouldn’t the U.S. take economic steps against the Axis powers, even if they had not formally entered the war?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I’m “getting a bit out there” by posting articles and books so you and other Propagandized people can learn some truth?
            If that’s “out there”, Don, I will take being “out there” over being intentionally blindered like yourself any day of the week.
            USA! USA! USA! (kinda sounds like something the Germans chanted in the 1940s).
            A significant point is that a large majority of Americans did not want to enter the war, but the Gang (led by Roosevelt) did, so they engineered an entry point (Pearl Harbor) losing 2400 hundred lives in the process of their evil manipulation.

          • Don 2

            1. Are you stating that Japan was justified attacking Pearl Harbor?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I’m saying that Roosevelt provoked Japan because he wanted to get involved in the European War and in fact he already was, unbeknownst to the US citizens. This is typical behavior for Leaders. If you don’t already know that, you need to read the linked articles and books and get started on your road to reality.

          • Don 2

            You didn’t answer the question Dave.

            You also didn’t answer the previous question.

            Is it your position that that short of Roosevelt provoking Japan as you allege, America would have been able to stay out of W.W. II?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Don, I can’t wipe you. You’re going to have to make some effort yourself to study the events. I have provided you with reading material. It’s up to you to decide if you want to be educated or not.
            Your previous question was contingent on whether FDR had taken sides or not. He told the American public he hadn’t . He didn’t have the approval from the American public to take sides (read the material I linked to). You’ll have to figure that one out for yourself.
            And I did answer your last question because “justified” is in the minds of the participants. And I wouldn’t take sides in the dispute without a full jury trial.
            Do you think Roosevelt was justified (having full knowledge of what was coming) in sacrificing 2400 servicemen to achieve his goal of getting public support for the war?

          • Don 2

            You know OriginalDaveH, throughout this entire exchange, which you initiated, I have been civil with you. I asked you legitimate questions to back up your statements, which you chose to ignore and instead responded with elitist childish retorts.

            Apparently, you are incapable of thinking out of the box and formulating an actual intelligent response yourself, other than to direct people to your library of “read this” or “read that.”

            You cannot even directly answer a simple question on whether or not you thought Japan was justified in attacking Pearl Harbor, yet you want to condescend to me when I stated that “it was Japan that attacked America.”

            I do not recall asking for some pompous @$$ elitist punk with a computer library to wipe me. Apparently, that other dave is right about you.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            The “punk” here is you, Don. The readers can see that by reading both our series of comments. I don’t care what irrational people like yourself think.

    • Bill

      Alex,
      What a depraved person you are to argue the moral superiority of one killer over another. You should be put away

    • S.C.Murf

      Alex how about our baby killing homicide doctors? Any thoughts on that?

      up the hill
      airborne

  • Sam

    Obama only wants to help the Muslim Brotherhood take over Syria. It’s all about the caliphate. Obama is a fraud, a traitor, a liar, a thief and murderer. He should be removed immediately by congress before he starts WWIII. Obama is a very dangerous fool.

    • chocopot

      Obama is a fraud, a traitor, a liar, a thief and murderer – AND A MUSLIM!

      • Bill

        Also Agreed

      • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

        Like his helly “prophet”.

    • Bill

      Agreed

  • Al Chemist

    There is no conclusive evidence that the leaders in Syria gassed their own people. It was more likely done by the terrorists opposing the government of Syria (in order to sucker the US into the war). I would bet that the terrorists have weapons capable of doing it, and they came from Benghazi.

    • chocopot

      Maybe so – but the bottom line is that I DON’T CARE. Whatever they do in that sh-thole of a country is their business. It has no impact on us and we have no business even commenting on it. Let the two sides kill each other off to the last man, woman, and child – the world will be a better place without them.

      • Bill

        A large segment of the Syrian community has moved here for the freedoms we supposedly offer. I feel sorry for their families that did not have enough money to immigrate also

    • Bill

      Good analogy, Al

  • Warrior

    Ideology trumps leadership. The “perfect” example has been on display for nearly five years now. Oblowhole, kerry, piglosi, shillary, durbin, schumer, biteme. Who in their “right” mind would allow themselves to be “led” by any of them? Answer….Nobody in their “right” mind. Seek some help you “followers”!

    • Bill

      Good comments, Warrior

  • Karolyn

    I’m sure Lindsey Graham and McCain are jumping for joy at the possibiility of war.

    • Don 2

      They’re line dancing to Boot Scootin’ Boogie with Obama, Biden and Kerry.

    • Jim S

      Probably. We can only hope McCain retires after this term and Graham gets voted out. Two RINOs we can do without.

      • Karolyn

        You can bet I’ll be campaigning for anybody who opposes Graham! He’s the worst embarrassment this state has; and it has a lot of embarrassments.

    • Bill

      Karolyn,
      They probably are. Both of them are past there time and should go. And on there way out the door they should take Schummer and Dick Durbin with them

      • Vigilant

        Don’t forget Leahy, Pelosi, Reid, Waters, Jackson-Lee and others in the communist mold.

    • TheOriginalDaveH
  • KG

    As far as the Syrian conflict goes, it seems eerily similar to the
    Bosnian conflict. Which was eerily similar to Germany’s Third Reich.
    Which is the ‘moral’ impetus to action; for we must never forget the 6
    million Jews that were killed in the name of ‘Racial Purity’. However,
    in our Nation of Laws, in 1789 there was agreement that the power to
    declare war was so important that the ultimate power should rest with
    the People – through congress. Article I, Section 8, Clause 11 –
    …To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and
    make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water…

    However, since after WW2, most of the wars America has involved itself has been under the Authority of the Executive in office. Congress has devolved
    the power of war to the President. And now the President is faced with a
    dilemma of epic proportions.

    • chocopot

      “And now the President is faced with a dilemma of epic proportions.”
      No he’s not. What goes on in Syria has no impact on us and is none of our business. Case closed.

      • KG

        Didn’t the Isolationists in America say the same thing before WW2? What is we just stood back and let Hitler take over 2/3rds of the planet for his SS stormtroppers? We would be all speaking German.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          It’s doubtful, KGB. If we had butted out of other countries’ squabbles and, instead of wasting our resources, built up our defenses, Germany wouldn’t have had a chance against us, especially in light of the fact that there is a very large ocean between us and them.
          Besides that, as this book explains, if we hadn’t meddled in World War I, Hitler probably would never have occurred to Germany:
          http://library.mises.org/books/John%20V%20Denson/A%20Century%20of%20War%20Lincoln,%20Wilson%20and%20Roosevelt.pdf

          • KG

            It’s kinda fun to play ‘armchair General’ and suppose alternative universes that the one we live in. Of course, what if we would have done what Ford and Edison as well as many Wall street tycoons (Von Mises friends) of the era suggested – join the Axis Powers in defeating Communism? I guess you really want to wear you SS uniform?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You make no sense, KGB.
            Straw Man argument.
            Argumentum ad verecundiam.

          • KG

            You are a jerk too!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Don’t hate me because I’m more intelligent than you are.

          • KG

            I don’t hate you. I actually enjoy our intellectual banter. Believe me, I have learned a lot from you and Mr “Fourth Reich” Mises. Especially the link to the many other websites you have shared. After seeing .truthin7minutes, I realized the source of much of your paranoia about government and human beings comes from. However, the ‘reality’ that you search for may be even deeper than the reality you recognize now. Just remember, when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

        • chocopot

          Your analogy does not work. Germany was a major power, a part of Western Civilization, and had the clearly stated goal of taking over Europe. Syria is a little dipstick country that has nothing whatsoever to do with this country or any part of the West, and if it disappeared tomorrow, no one would even notice. Give it up. And we are anything but isolated these days…

    • Bill

      KG – Kinda Gullible,
      How about all of the millions of people murdered by your hero, Joseph Stalin?

  • http://batman-news.com Jim B

    It’s hard to understand how a country can, for thousands of years, allow this kind of tyranny to rule over them for so long. A feast and famine culture, what’s their problem all of a sudden over there, are they just waking up to their condition, is this what happens when countries are turned into serfs for a millennia, why did it take so long for the rebel serfs to conclude their conditions and who is responsible for it? So I wonder why it is now the free world’s problem, after all that they have accused us of being, that the foreign serfs now want our help to release them from their very own created Serfdom? This should be a lesson to those in this country who are doing the same thing, that is, creating their own Serfdom. When you are fully dependent on a government for your subsistence you are eventually going to be cut loose (persecuted and killed, starved, left to fend for yourself) as the Politico’s will not want to spend their money to house, feed, cloth, and medicate you any longer. Be wise to understand the enormity of this situation, but be wiser to understand its history and what long term Serfdom means to any culture.

    • mark

      It’s just absolute luck that you and I were born in the United States. If we had been born in Syria we would have to struggle with their horrendous system also. I feel bad for the majority of people over there. But I don’ t think we should intervene.

      • usaok59

        I suspect that we are going to be living as they do, very soon. I don’t want to intervene either, but I think Oblamo does, even if it is to take the attention away from all his scandals.

        • mark

          If we do adopt more of their system, we will have a considerable domestic population spike. As the huge numbers of Americans who die from gun-related deaths over 31,000 in 2010 would drop off considerably. Next year our gun deaths are projected to surpass our deaths from traffic accidents – a first in our history that will put us far and above as one of the most dangerous and insecure nations on earth. Just ask the prime minister of Australia.
          More tourist bans may be coming if we don’t change.

          • Don 2
          • Jim S.

            There you go again. How about backing up your statements with some facts.

          • Vis Fac

            Facts to a liberal are those that are pulled out
            of thin air to swathe their ineptness on all things rational. Liberal one dimensional idiot-ology dictates they make things up as they go so they can
            blame others for their failures. Nothing is ever the DUMBOCRITES fault right?

            So whenever they have trouble defending and/or nothing to substantiate their positions they simply fall back on their smoke and mirror defense or the blaming of others. Then all their liberal inadequacies are soon to be forgotten

            The quandary the world faces is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people full of doubts” Bertrand Russell

            America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our liberties, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.– Abraham Lincoln

            The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

            A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president… The United States is no longer a republic

            Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to eat for lunch with the well armed lamb contesting the vote. Liberty comes from the recognition of certain rights which may not be taken, not even by a 99% vote.”

            A democratic government that respects no limits on its power is a ticking time bomb, waiting to destroy the rights it was created to protect.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est

            Semper-Fi

          • Bill

            Mark,
            According to the FBI crime stats, there were 11,493 firearm homicides and 16,799 non firearm homicides last year. So instead of going after firearms, which is the lowest cause of death, you should go after some of those non firearm deaths.
            If you really want to make a difference, go after those medical mistakes that caused 195,000 deaths last year.
            It seems that your energies are mis-directed if you wanted to help people not die needlessly. Or, maybe you are just making things up to push a political agenda

          • Vigilant

            “If we do adopt more of [the Syrian] system, we will have a considerable domestic population spike.”

            Well, for Pete’s sake, make a reservation on the next plane to Damascus, idiot.

            You remind me of the sympathizers of Fascism who claimed that under Mussolini, “at least the trains ran on time.”

          • mark

            No, our population would drop under the Syrian system (there individuals don’t just all have guns, they also have machine guns, mortars, artillery, anti-tank missiles). But our population would rise under a gun-free, British type system. What part of this don’t you understand? It’s pretty simple: the more guns, the more deaths. The less guns, the less deaths.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            No Violet, it isn’t that simple.
            More Guns, Less Crimes:
            http://www.amazon.com/More-Guns-Less-Crime-Understanding/dp/0226493636
            See my comments to mark to get yourself set straight.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            No Violet, it isn’t that simple.
            More Guns, Less Crimes:
            http://www.amazon.com/More-Guns-Less-Crime-Understanding/dp/0226493636
            See my comments to mark to get yourself set straight.

          • Vis Fac

            Tell that to the people of Chicago BC and Detroit where the most strict gun control laws on the books have been enacted. A further demonstration of liberal Illogic.

            The quandary the world faces is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people full of doubts” Bertrand Russell

            America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our liberties, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.– Abraham Lincoln

            The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

            A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president… The United States is no longer a republic

            Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to eat for lunch with the well armed lamb contesting the vote. Liberty comes from the recognition of certain rights which may not be taken, not even by a 99% vote.”

            A democratic government that respects no limits on its power is a ticking time bomb, waiting to destroy the rights it was created to protect.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est

            Semper-Fi

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Keep talking like an Idiot. It is as simple as that we are not the people that are the Syrians. We are a Judeo/Christian nation with obedience to Biblical Laws (half hearted at best but they still matter) and it takes a particular type of human predator to disregard the Commandments and we are not it otherwise the American streets would be running with blood from stabbings, cudgelings,etc..

          • mark

            Newsflash: they are. Take a look at the Southside of Chicago.

          • Don 2

            Newsflash: All the more reason to arm the law-abiding citizens on the Southside of Chicago. A natural right to self-defense.

            http://www.nra.org

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Leave it to a Liberal Progressive to talk about “gun deaths” (which by the way includes suicides and legitimate shootings) and ignore “deaths from violent crimes”.
            I don’t care how I die, I just don’t want to die:
            http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm
            Notice that the Violent Crime Rate and the Murder Rate have both fallen dramatically since the heyday of Liberal Progressive Gun Controls. Since 1986 the number of states allowing Concealed Carry has increased from 9 to 42:
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rtc.gif
            Yet in the face of all those people Carrying, the Murder Rate has actually declined by 50%, which is the opposite of what Liberal Progressive Gun Grabbers have predicted.

          • Vis Fac

            Mark 31K gun deaths in 2010 how many were by police how many as a result of self protection against crime how many suicides how many murders? Like the typical one dimensional liberal, you throw numbers around and lump them together in one category to prove a point.

            Now since you’ve done that let me educate you. In 2008 there were 1.21 MILLION abortions or 99.999% MORE abortions than gun deaths. Apparently that’s acceptable to you. This means you liberals are more blood thirsty than anyone with a gun right?

            How about medical malpractice where 101K (all preventable) die each year? Yet that’s OK with you Big Pharma kills another 98K per year yet that’s acceptable to YOU. I could continue but a brain dead indoctrinated liberal like you only cares about guns You are a colossal FOOL!

            The quandary the world faces is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people full of doubts” Bertrand Russell

            America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our liberties, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.– Abraham Lincoln

            The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

            A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president… The United States is no longer a republic

            Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to eat for lunch with the well armed lamb contesting the vote. Liberty comes from the recognition of certain rights which may not be taken, not even by a 99% vote.”

            A democratic government that respects no limits on its power is a ticking time bomb, waiting to destroy the rights it was created to protect.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est

            Semper-Fi

          • JeffH

            Over the last 20 years, the firearm crime rate has dropped, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, from 6 victims per 100,000 residents in 1994 to 1.4 victims per 100,000 residents in 2009. The 1.4/100,000 is the same rate as in 2004, the last year in which the “assault weapons” ban was in place.

            ___________________________________
            Don B. Kates & Gary Mauser, “Would Banning Firearms Reduce Murder and Suicide: A Review of International Evidence,” 30 Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy 651-694 (2007).
            http://www.calgunlaws.com/world-murder-statistics/

            Our conclusions were: 1) The murder and suicide rates of European nations that ban guns are three times higher than those of European nations that allow guns; 2) many western European nations have very low murder rates — though the western European nations that allow guns have much lower murder rates less; and 3) Russia and other formerly Soviet controlled nations that ban handguns have murder rates 3-4 times higher than the U.S.

            ALL the countries (109) above America have 100% gun bans.

            ***note: since this 2007 study US gun ownership has steadily increased and violent crime has steadily decreased.***

            It might be of interest to note that SWITZERLAND
            (not shown on this list) has NO MURDER OCCURRENCE!

            However, SWITZERLAND’S law requires that EVERYONE….
            1. Own a Gun
            2. Maintain Marksman qualifications….regularly
            3. “Carry”……..a Weapon.

          • Don 2

            Australia does not have a Bill of Rights or a constitutional guarantee to bear arms. Because of that, guns were never a big part of Australian culture. There have never been a large number of gun-related deaths because Australians were not big gun owners anyway. The country averaged only about 550 gun-related deaths per year for the six years preceding the ban(suicides, murders, accidents, and all others). Total homicides have basically remained the same low rate that they were since the buyback as non-gun homicides(knives, etc.) have increased.

            However, armed robberies exploded after the ban, from about 6,000 in 1996 to around 10,000. So, fewer guns actually resulted in more armed robberies and roughly the same number of murders.

            http://www.nra.org

      • Bill

        Mark,
        So, you would disagree with Obama if he invaded Syria?

        • mark

          Of course, I disagree with him on Obama Care also. I prefer a federal gov’t single-payer system like in England and Canada.

          • Bill

            To have the money to pay for that, you need a vibrant private sector economy that would provide the funds.
            Demonizing rich people an job producers will fail to produce the needed revenue for your single payer system

          • Nadzieja Batki

            What the bloody h-ll do you think O and his Ocare have in store for Americans. You are a danger to the American people because you don’t think and therefore O can use idiots like you to push his evil.

      • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

        mark, I agree with you. Keep good work my liberal friend.

    • Don 2

      “The Road To Serfdom” written by F.A. Hayek, 2007, Original Text 1944

      History Repeats

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Tyranny is the natural order of things, Jim. The Freedom we had at one time in our history is the unnatural order of things — Unfortunately, and we have let it go due to ignorance and apathy.

      • Vis Fac

        Mostly apathy for Ignorance is man made malady of liberal dogma!

        The quandary the world faces is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people full of doubts” Bertrand Russell

        America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our liberties, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.– Abraham Lincoln

        The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

        A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president… The United States is no longer a republic

        Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to eat for lunch with the well armed lamb contesting the vote. Liberty comes from the recognition of certain rights which may not be taken, not even by a 99% vote.”

        A democratic government that respects no limits on its power is a ticking time bomb, waiting to destroy the rights it was created to protect.

        Libertas inaestimabilis res est

        Semper-Fi

  • mark

    Gee, how can the Brits have a more genuinely democratic republic than we do? After all they have a single-payer 100% government-run health care system and a total ban on all personal ownership of guns. Their cops can’t even carry guns. Don’t they know they can never be free without guns and a totally private health care system? What a collection of idiots – fully practicing democracy, expressing the popular will of the people in preventing their wrongheaded leaders from taking them into another hopeless war in the Middle East! And thinking they can all do this without a single one of them owning a gun! Don’t they know that they had a huge total of 120 gun deaths in Britain last year compared to our measly 31,000 (suicides and accidents, included). What a thoroughly hopeless group of dolts the Brits are. Oh, by the way in our country where everyone has a gun, our government is going to go to war in about a week, the people be damned. And no citizen can do a damned thing about it. Just like in 2011, 2003, 1991, 1989 (that’s Panama for those of you who forgot), 1965, and 1950 all without Constitutional declarations. Gee, I just don’t get this? It’s like this whole thing is backwards! Father Rush, Sean, and Glen please explain this all to me again!.

    • Don 2
    • Jim S

      Guess you didn’t do your homework Mark. Typical. 2003 (Iraq) Congress voted and approved. I didn’t agree with it, but it was Constitutional. British guns – Their police can carry guns and some do. They also do not have a total ban on all personal ownership of guns. You really should try to educate yourself a wee bit before making yourself look ignorant.

      • Vis Fac

        You’re joking right? Education or reeducation that is; is liberalese for Political Correctness However actual education is a commodity abandoned all together in the liberal one dimensional idiot-ology indoctrination camps that masquerade as public schools. These camps are liberal propaganda mills designed to produce the functionally illiterate dependent on the government.

        The quandary the world faces is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people full of doubts” Bertrand Russell

        America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our liberties, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.– Abraham Lincoln

        The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

        A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president… The United States is no longer a republic

        Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to eat for lunch with the well armed lamb contesting the vote. Liberty comes from the recognition of certain rights which may not be taken, not even by a 99% vote.”

        A democratic government that respects no limits on its power is a ticking time bomb, waiting to destroy the rights it was created to protect.

        Libertas inaestimabilis res est

        Semper-Fi

      • Vis Fac

        You’re joking right? Education or reeducation that is; is liberalese for Political Correctness However actual education is a commodity abandoned all together in the liberal one dimensional idiot-ology indoctrination camps that masquerade as public schools. These camps are liberal propaganda mills designed to produce the functionally illiterate dependent on the government.

        The quandary the world faces is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people full of doubts” Bertrand Russell

        America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our liberties, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.– Abraham Lincoln

        The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

        A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president… The United States is no longer a republic

        Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to eat for lunch with the well armed lamb contesting the vote. Liberty comes from the recognition of certain rights which may not be taken, not even by a 99% vote.”

        A democratic government that respects no limits on its power is a ticking time bomb, waiting to destroy the rights it was created to protect.

        Libertas inaestimabilis res est

        Semper-Fi

    • Bill

      Mark,
      So when are you moving to Briton?

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      mark says — “Don’t they know that they had a huge total of 120 gun deaths in Britain last year”.
      Well, duh, if we declaw all the lions in Africa, there will be fewer clawing deaths also.
      But what about Murder Rates? What about Violent Crime Rates? I can only speak for myself, but I don’t care if I die from a knife wound or a gunshot wound — I just don’t want to be murdered.
      Great Britain’s violent crime rate:
      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html
      “It has a higher homicide rate than most of our western European neighbours, including France, Germany, Italy and Spain”
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_statistics_in_the_United_Kingdom#England_and_Wales
      “there were around 880,000 “Violence against the person” crimes in England and Wales in 2008–9, equivalent to 16 per thousand people in England and Wales”.
      So their Violent Crime Rate is 1600 per 100,000 in 2009.
      Compare that to the US in 2009 where the Violent Crime Rate was 432 per 100,000:
      http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm

      • Vis Fac

        Facts to a liberal are those that are pulled out of thin air to swathe their ineptness on all things rational. Liberal one
        dimensional idiot-ology dictates they make things up as they go so they can blame others for their failures. Nothing is ever ODUMBO’s or the DUMBOCRITES fault right?
        So whenever they have trouble defending and/or nothing to substantiate their positions they simply fall back on unrelated inane statistics or the Federal Board for Blaming Bush.. Then all their liberal inadequacies are soon to be forgotten

        The quandary the world faces is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people full of doubts” Bertrand Russell

        America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our liberties, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.– Abraham Lincoln

        The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

        A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president… The United States is no longer a republic

        Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to eat for lunch with the well armed lamb contesting the vote. Liberty comes from the recognition of certain rights which may not be taken, not even by a 99% vote.”

        A democratic government that respects no limits on its power is a ticking time bomb, waiting to destroy the rights it was created to protect.

        Libertas inaestimabilis res est

        Semper-Fi

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Liberals are Liars. So are many of the NeoConservatives.

          • Vis Fac

            Being conservative longer than dirt disqualifies me from the “neocon” club.

            The quandary the world faces is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people full of doubts” Bertrand Russell

            America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our liberties, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.– Abraham Lincoln

            The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

            A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president… The United States is no longer a republic

            Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to eat for lunch with the well armed lamb contesting the vote. Liberty comes from the recognition of certain rights which may not be taken, not even by a 99% vote.”

            A democratic government that respects no limits on its power is a ticking time bomb, waiting to destroy the rights it was created to protect.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est

            Semper-Fi

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I wasn’t indicting you, Force.

          • Vis Fac

            I know I was merely supporting you! We seem to be on the same page while others are reading a different novel.

            The quandary the world faces is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people full of doubts” Bertrand Russell

            America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our liberties, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.– Abraham Lincoln

            The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

            A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president… The United States is no longer a republic

            Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to eat for lunch with the well armed lamb contesting the vote. Liberty comes from the recognition of certain rights which may not be taken, not even by a 99% vote.”

            A democratic government that respects no limits on its power is a ticking time bomb, waiting to destroy the rights it was created to protect.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est

            Semper-Fi

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Liberals are Liars. So are many of the NeoConservatives.

      • JeffH

        There you go again, tearing down what mark, mark, mark was ordered to post…or is he really that stupid.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          His foot is almost certainly in the trough.

          • mark

            So, is your head, Dave.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            How lame.

        • mark

          Just “shot,” in the figurative sense, your boy down. See above.

      • mark

        Thanks for the stats, Dave, all they do is prove my point. They don’t back up anything you say. The United Kingdom has more violence per capita than the U.S. but the U.S. has massively more murders of all kinds. What would you rather have done to you, Dave, get punched, shoved, knocked down in a bar – or have someone put a bullet in your skull? You have a higher chance of the first 3 options occurring to you in the U.K. but you have a much larger chance of getting murdered in the United States, largely due to the fact that it is so much easier to kill with a gun and guns are so readily available. The United Kingdom had 722 murders in the last statistical recorded year, that from all means: stabbings, poisoning, bludgeoning, beating, and shooting with a gun. The U.S. in the same year had 14,728 also from all types of methods but the overwhelming number nearly 8600 were from gun murders. So even taking into consideration the fact that the U.S. is 5 times larger than the U.K. in population, you still have over 4 times a greater chance of being murdered in America by any means, than you do in the U.K. These are simply the irrefutable statistics. And the easy access to guns makes murder so much easier in the U.S. vs. killing someone with your hands, a club, a knife, etc. Next time you cite stats make sure they actually back up your argument like mine do below:

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

        http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2011/jan/10/gun-crime-us-state

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          mark says — “What would you rather have done to you, Dave, get punched, shoved, knocked down in a bar – or have someone put a bullet in your skull?”.
          None of the above, mark. That’s why I like an armed Society — it is a more polite Society.
          Using Britain as evidence for your contention, mark, is laughably simplistic since every country has different heredity and cultures. It would be like comparing the murder rate among unarmed Monks to that of armed Convicts.
          Note how the UK compares to it’s more culturally similar neighbors in the EU — “The UK had a greater number of murders in 2007 than any other EU country”:
          http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/5712573/UK-is-violent-crime-capital-of-Europe.html

          How do you explain the dramatic drop in murders in the US, at the same time as the rise in Concealed Carry in the US, mark?
          How do you explain the much lower rate of murder in Utah (1.9 per 100,000), which is ranked 50th in the Brady Campaign scale of Gun Control, and the much higher rate of murder in California (4.8 per 100,000), which is ranked 1st in the Brady Campaign scale of Gun Control?
          How do you explain the murder rate of New Hampshire (0.8 per 100,000 in 2009) which is ranked 27th in the Brady Campaign scale of Gun Control? Compare that to the UK whose murder rate was 1.2 per 100,000 in 2009).

          You see, mark, when you can’t mix Apples and Oranges, your argument falls apart.

          • mark

            An armed society is a more polite society? No, Dave, an armed society is a more murderous society. Was the Wild West a polite society? The U.S is much more firearmed today than Britain and we have over four times, in most years five times, their murder rate. There are no apple or oranges mixed there. And the rise in concealed carry has little to do with the limited fall in murders: the aging of our youth population and the incarceration of massive amounts of young people in prison mostly for small time drug violations are more likely factors that have contributed to an overall decrease in crime nationwide.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Because you say so, mark?
            I’ve already shown that the murder rate went up in the face of increased gun controls and down in the face of rising concealed carry rights. You have nothing but your conjecture.
            Your UK example is fallacious. I proved that.
            You think the incarceration of our youth has mitigated the murder rates, LOL? You’re getting downright desperate now, mark.
            Maybe if we lock up you Liberal Progressives, our murder rates will go down even further? Well at least the theft rates would go down.
            Maybe if you look around the world some more, mark, you can cherry pick some other country in a vain effort to make your point. Maybe Tibet, or some island nation. Or maybe you can just keep repeating your Propaganda often enough that ignorant people will believe you.
            Here’s one:
            Timor-Leste, ranked second in the world for the least number of guns per capita. Timor-Leste has 6.9 murders per 100,000 people.
            Here’s another:
            Ghana, ranked fourth in the world for the least number of guns per capita. Ghana has 15.7 murders per 100,000 people.
            And another:
            Ethiopia, ranked fifth in the world for the least number of guns per capita. Ethiopia has 25.5 murders per 100,000 people.
            Shall I go on, mark, mark? Or have you had enough?

          • mark

            No, your cherry-picked examples prove little since none of them deal with modern industrialized countries but rather Third World basket cases. The stats I post still show that the murder rate in the U.S. with his massively-armed populace is 4-5 times higher than in the U.K. No one know definitively why murder rates go down in a given year in a particular state, and my conjecture that the aging of our youth population and the greater incarceration of young people in recent years is a contributing factor is as good a speculation as yours on concealed-carry laws. Neither theory provides definitive proof.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Look in the mirror, mark, breathe deep, and admit to yourself that you’ve been badly beaten. It will be a cleansing admission.

    • Don 2

      According to Professor Joyce Lee Malcolm from George Mason University Law School and author of Guns and Violence: The English Experience, The results have not been what proponents of the “Firearms Act of 1997 wanted. Within a decade of the handgun ban and the confiscation of handguns from registered owners, crime with handguns had doubled according to British government crime reports. Gun crime, not a serious problem in the past, now is. Armed street gangs have some British police carrying guns for the first time. Moreover, another massacre occurred in June 2010. Derrick Bird, a taxi driver in Cambria, shot his brother and a colleague then drove off through rural villages killing 12 people and injuring 11 more before killing himself.

      Britain’s homicide rate rose dramatically for seven years after the ban, from 1.1 homicides per 100,000 people in 1996 to 1.8 in 2003. Fed up with the sudden increase in murder and violent crime, the police force expanded by 16% between 2001 and 2005. Regardless, even with the increased police presence, crime generally remained higher than before the Firearms Act.

      http://www.nra.org

      • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

        Britain and Australia WARNING Americans: Don’t give Up YOUR Guns

        The British people have been completely disarmed according to UN resolution, and here are personal accounts of British citizens of why Americans need to fight for their constitutional rights.
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPy_ogsFqmc

        English Warning “Our Gun Ban caused 40% jump in Gun Crime” DONT GIVE UP YOUR GUNS! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTyCD2n6HAQ

  • Rick

    I figured out why Obama hasn’t invaded Syria yet, he wants to win another Noble Peace Prize.

    • Don 2

      You have to win that? I thought it was given away just for being born a white-black man?

  • DavidL

    Chip, stop the hypocrisy. You are your crowd supported our illegal war in Iraq!

    • chocopot

      You mean the “illegal” war that was approved by Congress AND the UN and supported by information supplied by that same UN and BIll Clinton’s intelligence operatives? THAT “illegal” war? What a moron.

    • Bill

      DavidL
      Do you support military involvement in Syria?

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Any references for your claim, DavidL?
      I have a hard time taking the word of people like you who support the Theft of other peoples’ money.

  • Deerinwater

    O ‘Really is for sale. All ways has been.

    • Vis Fac

      Everyone has a price some people’s are quite low. No one has yet to meet mine.

      The quandary the world faces is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people full of doubts” Bertrand Russell

      America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our liberties, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.– Abraham Lincoln

      The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

      A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president… The United States is no longer a republic

      Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to eat for lunch with the well armed lamb contesting the vote. Liberty comes from the recognition of certain rights which may not be taken, not even by a 99% vote.”

      A democratic government that respects no limits on its power is a ticking time bomb, waiting to destroy the rights it was created to protect.

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est

      Semper-Fi

    • Don 2

      This may be a first, but I agree with you. O’Reilly is all about audience numbers, talking out of both sides of his mouth, trying to appeal to everyone.

  • mark

    This from Chip Wood who supported the Iraq War. How rich. For the arms producers that is.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Are you complaining about the Chinese manufacturers then why don’t you go tell the Chinese Government? They would love to hear from a stupid like yourself.

    • Bill

      Mark,
      Do you support military involvement in Syria?

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        Here was mark’s comment from yesterday:
        http://personalliberty.com/2013/08/29/is-obama-trying-to-purposely-start-world-war-iii/#comment-1022501826

        Basically, he thinks it is okay to kill other countries’ citizens as long as it doesn’t cost us much.

        • Vis Fac

          TODH We all know what mark is no other comment necessary.

          The quandary the world faces is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people full of doubts” Bertrand Russell

          America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our liberties, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.– Abraham Lincoln

          The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

          A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president… The United States is no longer a republic

          Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to eat for lunch with the well armed lamb contesting the vote. Liberty comes from the recognition of certain rights which may not be taken, not even by a 99% vote.”

          A democratic government that respects no limits on its power is a ticking time bomb, waiting to destroy the rights it was created to protect.

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est

          Semper-Fi

        • JeffH

          It’s no wonder that they(ignorant liberal/progressives) hate you DaveH.

      • mark

        No, I don’t.

        • Nadzieja Batki

          Then why not?

          • mark

            We have not business in Syria and either outcome is bad: Assad wins or radical jihadists win. They both are enemies of the United States. I did support Obama’s intervention in Libya, though. Gaddafi killed 189 innocent Americans with his terrorist bombing over Lockerbie, Scotland. Any chance or opportunity to take him out should have be utilized. There is no statute of limitations on mass murder.

          • Charlie

            And I suppose you think the twin towers were taken down by Jet Planes ??? Pan American Airlines were taken out by The International Bankers … Would you believe “the Jews” still hate “Germans” ??? Guess who owned PAA,,,? and Wien in Alaska??? Gaddafi was well loved by his country men ,,, he would not have wasted Libya $ to do that job………………..

          • mark

            Oh yeah, he was well loved by his countrymen, especially by the ones who blew him and his family away. You’re a 9/11 truther, no doubt a birther, and a giant paranoid conspiracy fanatic, Charlie. Congratulations on all your original thinking spoon fed to you by all the major nut sites. Welcome to PLD. You are going to have a ball here. As every cuckoo-clock, lunatic theory known to man is swallowed hook, line, and sinker by the vast majority of sheeple here. It’s like the News of the World headlines. Sophia Loren is Carrying the Pope’s Baby. Queen Elizabeth Runs the Medellin Cartel. Elvis Presley is Giving a Concert Tour in Afghanistan. Whatever crazed lunatic notion you have, just post it here, and two thirds of the members will believe it as Gospel. And I do mean anything!

          • Charlie

            Mark ,,, how’s you eyes sight ,,, your reads indicate you have a problems seeing “Facts” as facts or “Truths” as Scientifically proven……………………….

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      mark,
      What do you base your accusation on? Any references? Surely you don’t expect us to take your word for anything?

      • JeffH

        With that question mark, mark, mark shall avoid you!

    • Freespirit

      Chip is starting to listen, just like congress. We all grow up eventually-well, most of us do ;-)

    • Vis Fac

      Well Mark I see you are liberal and as a liberal dredge up the past to validate YOUR agenda Good Job

      The quandary the world faces is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people full of doubts” Bertrand Russell

      America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our liberties, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.– Abraham Lincoln

      The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

      A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president… The United States is no longer a republic

      Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to eat for lunch with the well armed lamb contesting the vote. Liberty comes from the recognition of certain rights which may not be taken, not even by a 99% vote.”

      A democratic government that respects no limits on its power is a ticking time bomb, waiting to destroy the rights it was created to protect.

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est

      Semper-Fi

  • justus brother

    Decisions,decisions; another golf game,or another vacation in Hawaii; all of decisions are stressing me big time.

  • rbrooks

    chip is right. we can not have a liberal black man leading us into another expensive unwinnable war. we need a white conservative christian to start these wars. the last two have worked out so well.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      It always amazes me how the Liberal Progressives are against war (rightly so) when a Neoconservative Progressive is leading the charge, but for war when a Liberal Progressive is in charge. Yet another sign that Liberal Progressives have no Principles at all.

      • Elton Robb

        The Founders are appalled. I could see Washington just hang his head in Disgust, and Jefferson — who attacked the pirates at Tripoli — saying, “why doesn’t he just resign.” Oh, and Jesus going to exact justice for the American people as well as all the innocents that are going to die (Justice is a two edged sword).

      • rbrooks

        where is this support for this war?

        it is interesting that you ‘conservatives’ supported little bush in his two wars, but now denounce a similar action.

        your principles are not any better.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Flashman says — “it is interesting that you ‘conservatives’ supported little bush in his two wars, but now denounce a similar action”.
          I have supported no wars, Flashman. You are just doing your usual lying.

        • Don 2

          Bush had 56 countries in the Iraq coalition.

          So, how many countries does Obama have in his Syrian coalition? What’s that…..zero, you say. Ha-Ha-Ha…..Too funny! Boy, he really made the world love us…..Ha-Ha-Ha!

          • Dave

            Hmmmmm.. how many in this group did we bribe?

            http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/iraq_orbat_coalition.htm

            The size and capabilities of the Coalition forces involved in operations in Iraq has been a subject of much debate, confusion, and at times exageration. As of August 23, 2006, there were 21 non-U.S. military forces contributing armed forces to the Coalition in Iraq. These 21 countries were: Albania, Armenia, Australia, Azerbaijan, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Denmark, El Salvador, Estonia, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Latvia, Lithuania, Macedonia, Moldova, Mongolia, Poland, Romania, South Korea, and the United Kingdom.

            However, in the August 23, 2006 Iraq Weekly Status Report (Slide 27) the State Department listed 27 foreign countries as contributing troops to the Coalition in Iraq. The additional four countries were Japan, Portugal, Singapore and the Ukraine.

            In addition, that same Weekly Status Report listed 34 countries (including the US) as maintaining personnel in Iraq (as part of the Coalition, UNAMI, or NATO). The State Department reported that Fiji was contributing troops though UNAMI and that Hungary, Iceland, Slovenia, and Turkey were assisting with the NATO training mission. However, it is unclear whether Hungary actually maintained any forces in Iraq as part of NATO or UNAMI since its government announced the complete withdrawal of troops in December 2004.

            In testimony before the Senate Armed Services committee on August 3, 2006, Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld described the coalition in Iraq as composed of 34 allies (plus the US).

            As of June 13, 2006, MNF-I reported that 27 countries (including the US) maintained responsibility over the six major areas of Iraq. Since that time, Japan has withdrawn all of its forces from Iraq.

            For the purposes of this tally, only countries that contribute troops as part of Operation Iraqi Freedom are counted.

            Countries which had troops in or supported operations in Iraq at one point but have pulled out since: Nicaragua (Feb. 2004); Spain (late-Apr. 2004); Dominican Republic (early-May 2004); Honduras (late-May 2004); Philippines (~Jul. 19, 2004); Thailand (late-Aug. 2004); New Zealand (late Sep. 2004); Tonga (mid-Dec. 2004) Portugal (mid-Feb. 2005); The Netherlands (Mar. 2005); Hungary (Mar. 2005); Singapore (Mar. 2005); Norway (Oct. 2005); Ukraine (Dec. 2005); Japan (July 17, 2006); Italy (Nov. 2006); Slovakia (Jan 2007).

            Countries planning to withdraw from Iraq: Poland had earlier claimed that it would withdraw all soldiers by the end of 2006. It however extended the mandate of its contingent through at least mid-2007. Denmarkannounced that it would withdraw its troop contingent by August 2007.

            Countries which have recently reduced or are planning to reduce their troop commitment: South Korea is planning to withdraw up to 1000 soldiers by the end of 2006. Poland withdrew 700 soldiers in Feb. 2005. Between May 2005 and May 2006, the United Kingdom reduced the size of its contingent by 1,300. The United Kingdom also is planning to reduce significantly the size of its contingent by the end of 2007, with an initial reduction of 1,600 troops followed by an additional 500 troops by end of 2007.

            Countries supporting UNAMI: Fiji (150); Georgia (550)

            We haven’t done anything in Syria yet. Are you really that obtuse? 3T dollars your hero Bush wasted in Iraq… golf clap.

          • Don 2

            Bush isn’t my hero. Nothing you said changes the fact…..Obama has no friends, anywhere!

          • Dave

            “Obama has no friends, anywhere!”
            Source?

          • Don 2

            A coalition of one.

          • Karolyn

            Uh,
            he appeared with the presidents of the Baltic countries today, who are on our side; and France’s leader has said he wants to support the US in Syria. And I do not believe we should do anything – just stating fact.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            You “just stating fact” that you not just stupid but a war monger as well.

          • Karolyn

            Good example of your reading something that isn’t there. I have posted several times hat I am not in favor of war! Since when is imparting information, making a statement of position?

          • Don 2

            And talk is cheap – just stating fact.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Two wrongs still don’t make a right, Dave, no matter how hard you try to convince your pea-sized brain that they do.

          • rbrooks

            so if obama gets 56 countries you would support and approve this action?

          • Don 2

            I don’t support it at all. When it comes to Muslims, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

          • rbrooks

            you were using deflection. you must have been against little bush starting the never ending war on terrorism.

          • Don 2

            Deflection? What part of, “I don’t support it at all” are you having trouble understanding?

          • rbrooks

            Bush had 56 countries in the Iraq coalition.

            So, how many
            countries does Obama have in his Syrian coalition? What’s that…..zero,
            you say. Ha-Ha-Ha…..Too funny! Boy, he really made the world love
            us…..Ha-Ha-Ha!

            deflection

          • Don 2

            Hey, that’s pretty funny stuff you wrote about Obama. Unfortunately, you’re on the wrong page.

    • Freespirit

      Love the sarcasm

      • Nadzieja Batki

        You are a follower in spite of your name Freespirit and you tow the Dem/Prog/Leftist ideology of rbrooks which like you is also a follower. Not one thinks or reasons in your bunch.

        • Karolyn

          Dr. Batki has spoken again. She can tell everything about a person from their name and a few written words. Amazing!

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            What really is amazing that’s your level of STUPIDITY.

          • Karolyn

            Because I can’t read peoples’ minds like you and Nadzieja can? :-)

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            We do not “read peoples’ minds”. We just read people’s comments, which are VERY REVEALING.

          • Karolyn

            Well, if you would read comments using a little reading comprehension, you might actually understand what is being said and meant.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Actually, Karolyn, I think that Alondra has amazingly good comprehension for English being her 3rd language.
            Admittedly, she does have a leg up on you given that her roots are in Russia so she has learned first hand what the kind of politics you advocate leads to.

          • Karolyn

            You apparently have no clue of what kind of politics I advocate.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You’re probably right, considering that you rarely say anything of substance, preferring instead to condescend people in the vain attempt to elevate yourself.

          • mark

            Dear Karolyn,
            Don’t let these haters get you down. Keep making your comments. You show more humanity in a couple of your paragraphs then all of them will ever possess in their entire lives combined.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            But that is exactly what Alondra and myself have been doing, reading and comprehending and we understand only too well what is being said and meant.

          • Karolyn

            Could it be that you read to much into what people say, and don’t just take it at face value that they believe what they say and should not be fodder for name-calling and psychoanalysis? I say what I mean and mean what I say. No BS here. Can’t you and Alondra have civilized discourse with people who don’t agree with you? I have a really hard time understanding people who are constantly on the attack, but, then again, I’m sure you really don’t care. However, you do get more bees with honey than you do with vinegar.

      • rbrooks

        only one person was able to comprehend.

        rather amazing.

    • RPM 44

      why do you keep making this a race issue nowhere in the article is there a mention of anyones skin color (give it a rest noone cares about skin color but liberals)

      • Vigilant

        Because he’s a leftist propagandist who hopes to derail the discussion by dropping the race card.

      • Vis Fac

        Because Mr. Race Baiter does continually so what’s good for the goose is also good for the gander.

        The quandary the world faces is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people full of doubts” Bertrand Russell

        America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our liberties, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.– Abraham Lincoln

        The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

        A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president… The United States is no longer a republic

        Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to eat for lunch with the well armed lamb contesting the vote. Liberty comes from the recognition of certain rights which may not be taken, not even by a 99% vote.”

        A democratic government that respects no limits on its power is a ticking time bomb, waiting to destroy the rights it was created to protect.

        Libertas inaestimabilis res est

        Semper-Fi

      • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

        LIBERAL RACISM
        America’s ONLY black senator, Tim Scott (R –
        SC), was NOT invited to participate in the historic event remembering the 50th anniversary of MLK’s “I Have a Dream” speech.

        Of cause, according to the NYT Columnist, liberal black RACIST Adolph Reed, Tim Scott is a “Token”

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Weren’t you the one claiming and defending that O is a Christian not too long ago when O was cornered to be a Muslim and a Muslim sympathizer? Rather inconsistent in your defense of O. For whose benefit will the Syrian war be? For O you hope.

      • rbrooks

        islam is a form of christianity.

        obama is just like little bush.

        all politicians are crooks.

        you seem to be confused.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Flashman, what you really mean is that you are “trying” to confuse people.

          • rbrooks

            no has to confuse you comrade davey. you live in a perpetual state of confusion. like so many on this site.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You mean — like you would like many on this site to be, Flashman. You are just a Shill Misinformer. Fortunately, the regulars know you have no creds.

          • rbrooks

            you make my point, comrade.

        • Jana

          You just showed all of your lack of knowledge in one little post. Wow good for you.

          • rbrooks

            you provided no proof that any part of that post was wrong. typical.

  • TheOriginalDaveH

    Ian Hurd says — “There are moral reasons for disregarding the law, and I believe the Obama administration should intervene in Syria. But it should not pretend that there is a legal justification in existing law.”
    Imagine that, a Liberal Progressive, who partakes in indebting our children and stealing other peoples’ money, talking about “moral reasons”. And he is even encouraging the Leaders to flout the law. Some morality.
    If the majority of that country’s people think that the Leaders are acting immorally, they will stop them. If the majority of that country backs the Leaders then who are we to judge otherwise? There are no “moral reasons” for taking sides in somebody else’s war.

    • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

      Some correction: I guess it should be said the “SAME IMMORALITY” and not “some morality”.

      Yesterday Independent Thinker posted the results of some poll “in which 89% of the people said no intervention in Syria and 95% said” barry Hussein has “no right to intervene without Congress’ approval.”

      The overwhelming majority of this country is pointing that the “leader” of this country acting immorally and lawlessly.

      • Vis Fac

        Yet Mr. OMNIPOTENT (the liberals’ savior) and the enablers (lame stream media) is bound and determined to circumvent constitutional authority why? As I told you yesterday ODUMBO wants to destroy the US and fools are letting him time for a recall or impeachment (I know a recall is not an option) We need to turn up some serious heat otherwise ~ well you know the results!
        FYI ODUMBO is set to sign another executive order further eroding the second amendment enacting further inane gun (people) control. Lock and load folks!

        The quandary the world faces is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people full of doubts” Bertrand Russell

        America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our liberties, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.– Abraham Lincoln

        The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

        A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president… The United States is no longer a republic

        Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to eat for lunch with the well armed lamb contesting the vote. Liberty comes from the recognition of certain rights which may not be taken, not even by a 99% vote.”

        A democratic government that respects no limits on its power is a ticking time bomb, waiting to destroy the rights it was created to protect.

        Libertas inaestimabilis res est

        Semper-Fi

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        No, Alondra, “Some morality” was sarcasm on my part. Such is the English language.

        • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

          Well, this is a second reason why I am on the comments’ board – to advance/ improve/ learn MY English. And I like it, because it’s FREE.

          But anyway, I think that I just translated your “sarcasm” into plain English.

          P.S. Further corrections are welcomed.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            What is your native language, Alondra?

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Russian and second – Spanish. My father is Spaniard.
            My mother lives in Spain.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Well, you certainly speak better English than I speak Spanish or Russian — which is none.

  • Freespirit

    Your words are not strong enough Chip: INSANE, IMMORAL, UNCONSTITUTIONAL and a violation of NATURAL RIGHTS would be more suitable

  • Vigilant

    Mr. Wood says, “O’Reilly had some further advice for Obama, including securing the support of “as many Arab countries as possible, beginning with Saudi Arabia.” …I’d rate [this] suggestion as…highly unlikely.”

    Not unlikely at all. Egypt and Saudi Arabia are Sunni majority nations who would like nothing better than to see Iran’s interests foiled in Syria. Assad is a Shia dictator of a Sunni majority country, and the Saudis and Egyptians are 100% behind (but by necessity unvocal about) the replacement of Assad with a Sunni leader, dictator or not.

    I highly recommend a study of the REAL causes of the Syrian debacle, i.e., Iranian hegemonic pressures, instead of discussing the situation in a vacuum as been done so far on PLD.

  • violet angel

    How can it be “morally right” for us to kill but wrong when others kill, regardless of the methods being used by the Syrians? The arrogance of Mr. Hurd and the POTUS is so typical yet unbelievable.

  • Gimmesumadat Whatyougot

    No-one has yet to prove what was dropped in Syria, let alone who really dropped it. Who has all the drones? Oh. ya, the U.S. And, who has all the Weapons of Mass Destruction? Again, the U.S. Who has the most to gain by shutting down yet another regime with nuclear capabilities, and oil rich to boot? You guessed it!

    • Vigilant

      What nuclear capabilities does Syria have? None.
      And it’s only a bit player in the oil exportation game.

      • Gimmesumadat Whatyougot

        According to Wikipedia: “[After refusing to comment on the reports for six months, the Bush
        administration briefed Congress and the IAEA on April 24, 2008, saying
        that the U.S. Government was “convinced” that Syria had been building a
        “covert nuclear reactor” that was “not intended for peaceful purposes.”]”

        [“Petroleum industry

        Oil refinery in Homs

        Syria has produced heavy-grade oil from fields located in the
        northeast since the late 1960s. In the early 1980s, light-grade,
        low-sulphur oil was discovered near Deir ez-Zor
        in eastern Syria. Syria’s rate of oil production has decreased
        dramatically from a peak close to 600,000 barrels per day (95,000 m3/d) (bpd) in 1995 down to less than 140,000 bbl/d (22,000 m3/d) in 2012.[104]

        Syria exported roughly 200,000 bbl/d (32,000 m3/d) in
        2005, and oil still accounts for a majority of the country’s export
        income. Syria also produces 22 million cubic meters of gas per day, with
        estimated reserves around 8.5 trillion cubic feet (240 km3).
        While the government has begun to work with international energy
        companies in the hopes of eventually becoming a gas exporter, all gas
        currently produced is consumed domestically.[33]
        Prior to the uprising, more than 90% of Syrian oil exports were to EU countries, with the remainder going to Turkey.[103] Oil and gas revenues constituted around 20% of total GDP and 25% of total government revenue.”]

        Not enough for intervention? Think again!

        • Vigilant

          “Not enough for intervention?” No. it’s not.

          Syria is number 44, that’s right, 44th on the list of oil exporters. Even Thailand and Belgium export more oil.
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_oil_exports

          As for nuclear capabilities, they don’t exist. Your out of context Wikipedia quote leaves a GREAT deal to be desired. It concerned the US reaction to the Israeli bombing of the Syrian reactor.

          How convenient for you to dishonestly leave out the further quote, “On November 19, 2008 an IAEA report stated that “a significant number of natural uranium particles” produced as a result of chemical processing were found at the Al Kibar site;[81] however, the IAEA did not find sufficient evidence to prove Syria is developing nuclear weapons.”

          Whatever nuclear ambitions Syria had were quashed on September 6, 2007 when Israel bombed the nuclear reactor.

          As you said two months ago on this site, “how is it that so many people twist the facts to fit their lack of understanding what really happened.”

          You were saying?

          • Gimmesumadat Whatyougot

            The truth will come out in time. Syria is a wolf in sheep’s clothing. And they are well connected to powers that can deliver nuclear enrichment equipment.

            The article from Wiki. was just to show they were already exploring avenues before 2007, all the while the US denied it. And like Iran, they will not be stopped. Somehow, the US and the IAEA seem to think they can tell everyone else, who can or cannot have nuclear capabilities. These are sovereign nations who don’t recognize US authority. Nor should they.

            There is still a little matter of Russian Nuclear Suitcase bombs that were “Lost” when communism fell. Who purchased them? No one seems to know. I am just suggesting here that Syria is a piece to a much larger puzzle. If the US is interested in Syria, it is NOT for HUMANITARIAN purposes. But a chance to get their foot in the door, just like Iraq, and Libya and Afghanistan.

            The world is gathering momentum towards economic-political, social-religious-moral meltdown. And when it does, the US Tzars want control of ALL resources!

            Quote from news 8-30-13 “Obama says that attack was a challenge to the world and threatens U.S. national security.” REALLY? Do you believe that?

            Can the US save the World from the US?

          • Charlie

            The one page book by the Prophet Obadiah ,in The Bible tells what is about to happen , starting at the state of Israel……………………

      • Charlie

        Doggie ,,, better check how Cyprus and it’s connection with world oilfields “Brainpower” ties in with Syria’s “”Communications”” with the 2 most powerful “”Nuke”” providers on Earth… China and Russia… Guess who America pissed off when they “hired” Moe murdered ?? A bunch of oil companies … I have helped Drill about 6 oil well ,,, how many have you helped drill??? ALL the Nuke power Syria will ever need is just a “Call” to the North East or East… Not only does The Scriptures have to be “Harmonized”
        But, Black gold and yellow gold history has to be known and harmonized with the international bankers corruption ……………

        • Vigilant

          I’ll not be drawn into discussion with a bug-eyed “world is coming to an end” wacko.

          • Charlie

            Doggie ,,, well ,,, keep barking at the moon ,,, since you have not the IQ or experience to do much else ……….

          • Vigilant

            My IQ happens to be in the high 130s…and yours, Chuckie?

            Don’t talk to me about experience, sonny. I’ve traveled the world and given 38 years of my life in service to my country. Even been dogged by Libyan MiGs in 1985.

            I assure you, I have a better grasp of reality than you do with that inane Revelations talk.

            Your turn, if you have the balls.

          • Charlie

            Doggie ,,, well ,,, We stepped on the doggies Ego… Tell us what your “Rank” was while being dogged by Migs in 85 ,,, you must have outranked “God” because you still think you are smarter than God ……………………………

          • Vigilant

            Chief Master Sergeant, USAF.

            And I stand in humble awe of my inferiority to God, it’s just YOU over whom I claim a vast superiority in experience, smarts and talents.

            Better quit before you’re totally demolished by your own ignorance.

          • Charlie

            Thanks Sergeant , for knowing how to take “Orders” as well as give orders… But you are still in disobedience to The “Orders” of King Jesus Christ … The number One “sin” of The 3 basic sins is sticking out in most of your writes … See the 3 basic sins at 1 John 2:16 … Pride of Life is “Mankind’s” number 1 basic sin because it is there most of your Life… Meanwhile… Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing … Acts 2:38 is salvation…

          • Vigilant

            1 John 2:16: “For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father but is of the world.”

            “Pride of life” means empty trust in possessions (The New Oxford Annotated Bible). Now how you equate my comments with an empty trust in possessions is a secret which only you know, apparently. What part of “I stand in humble awe of my inferiority to God” do you have trouble with?

          • Bob666

            Yo Vigilant,
            You do know that Nutcase Charlie is like a stay dog-if you feed him once, he will continue to show up hungry…….

          • Charlie

            YO YO ,,, can you yo yo and think at the same time ???
            BTW, where’s My yo yo sting ???????????

          • Vigilant

            And a stray dog indeed he is. He inserts himself in a discussion between another poster and myself and the first word out of his mouth is “Doggie.”

            You know what “Shadow” does to stray dogs? He has them for breakfast.

          • Vigilant

            And a stray dog indeed he is. He inserts himself in a discussion between another poster and myself and the first word out of his mouth is “Doggie.”

            You know what “Shadow” does to stray dogs? He has them for breakfast.

          • Bob666

            Yes Vigilant,
            I can have a rational discussion with just about anyone, but from my limited knowledge of the Bible, his comments are weak and he somehow tries to apply them to just about any conversation that he puts himself into.

            The name of the web site is Personal Liberty and while I do not mind a certain amount of religious discussion-I am not here for a Bible lecture or discussion on the Bible.

            My best to the “Top Dog”.

          • Vigilant

            Charlie never knows when to quit. With every comment he digs his grave deeper.

            He’s like the guy who keeps hitting himself in the head with a hammer. When asked why he does it he says, “because it feels so good when I stop.”

          • Charlie

            Well ,,,Sergeant ,,, better go check a simple Dictionary and check the 13 or so meanings of “Pride”,,, then go and check the word “Life”, for it’s 20 or so meanings ,,, then ,,, harmonize these 2 words with the contexts of 1 John 2:16.
            DO NOT take the word of some non standard Bible “Notes”…. Would you take the Flight Manual of a C-124 and try to fly a C-141??? or take the igniter of a C-141 engine and try to install it in the engine of a C-124??? ……
            Your problems are normal , psychological , pride , ego , personality clash , think you know more than you have proven you know , type problems …

          • Vigilant

            Chuckles, you came on this conversation thread uninvited and not in response to anything I said to you, and the first word out of your mouth is “Doggie.”

            Then you proceed to make a statement that has no relevance to the topic (“I have helped Drill about 6 oil well ,,, how many have you helped drill???), a statement of pure PRIDE, and a non sequitur as well (Hint: drilling wells does NOT make one an expert in M.E. affairs).

            The next thing you do is make a very unChristianlike and insulting statement because your PRIDE has been bruised (“since you have not the IQ or experience to do much else”). When I simply correct your error with facts, you accuse me of pride.

            Ironically, after these bigoted, untrue and wholly PRIDEFUL statements on your part, you propose to lecture me on the correct interpretation of a Bible passage. To say that only YOU have the infallible interpretation of the passage is but one thing: PRIDEFUL. You are not to be scorned but pitied.

            And so-called “Christians” like you are the most unChristian of all, but you are too blinded by your PRIDE to see it. You have missed the message of the Bible completely.

            Your babble about aircraft engines, BTW: what was your point there? Might I suggest that if you claim some knowledge about these things, where did you learn it? Certainly not in the Air Force, where everyone knows a CMSgt is addressed as “Chief” but NEVER as “sergeant.”

          • Charlie

            Well ,,, Chief ,,, the Sergeant was a upgrade from “Doggie” as your Icon indicates … Drilling oil wells to production is the way oil companies take oil out of the ground… How many rigs did you see drilling while in Libya ?? … What do you know about Aircraft Maintenance ? that statement gave you a chance to make a comment of “”Facts”” NOT pride … Your brag about being smarter and more traveled than I was not backed up by detailed “”Technology”” of who was paying your way ,,, the taxpayer paid your way … Guess who paid My way?
            I can fly or fix any of those Aircraft the USAF has that were bought and paid for by U S … As far as “Serving” The Country,, U S A Inc. ,,, any Man or Woman that conduct themselves according to The Bible and / or The Constitution , is serving themselves and “Their” Country as well as most do and most likely better than 99% of the DAAs………………
            How would you define a unchristian like statement IF? you are NOt a “”Christian””???

          • Vigilant

            “How would you define a [sic] unchristian like [sic] statement IF? [sic] you are NOt [sic] a “”Christian”” [sic] ???”

            One need not be a duck to know what a duck looks and acts like.

            One need not be a braggart to recognize prideful boasting when he sees it (“I can fly or fix any of those Aircraft the USAF has that were bought and paid for by U S …”).

            One need not be a Christian to understand the Bible and detect a faux Christian charlatan when one encounters such.

            In truth, I believe I and any number of non-Christians conduct more Christian-like lives than you will ever succeed in doing.

    • Vis Fac

      We are not the only ones with drones or WMDs and I don’t think Syria has yet attained nuclear capability. Your moniker suggests you are a liberal the content of your post likewise. I suggest you take a deep breath step back and relax and try and see the big picture YOUR guy is rattling the saber in Assad’s face YOUR guy is the biggest JOKE on the planet and YOUR guy just might be the one to push the button.

      Liberally controlled governments are self destructive we are rapidly imploding. YOUR guy is a Muslim and lived third world when young and impressionable. Because of this YOUR guy has an agenda to destroy America and bring us to third world status and nothing will stand in his way UNLESS we (and Congress) unite against him.

      The quandary the world faces is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people full of doubts” Bertrand Russell

      America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our liberties, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.– Abraham Lincoln

      The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do
      Nothing–Edmund Burke

      A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president… The United States is no longer a republic

      Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to eat for lunch with the well armed lamb contesting the vote. Liberty comes from the recognition of certain rights which may not be taken, not even by a 99% vote.”

      A democratic government that respects no limits on its power is a ticking time bomb, waiting to destroy the rights it was created to protect.

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est

      Semper-Fi

      • Gimmesumadat Whatyougot

        See below.
        Also, I am none of the things you suggest. And, I take no responsibility for the imposture sitting in the Oval Office.

        • Vis Fac

          Below where? Please be specific. Your post suggests you are what I inferred. I would have to be the one who would be ODUMBO’s impostor. I wouldn’t want any connection to that snake oil salesman immage personality or omnipotence.

          The quandary the world faces is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people full of doubts” Bertrand Russell

          America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our liberties, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.– Abraham Lincoln

          The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

          A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president… The United States is no longer a republic!

          Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to eat for lunch with the well armed lamb contesting the vote. Liberty comes from the recognition of certain rights which may not be taken, not even by a 99% vote.”

          A democratic government that respects no limits on its power is a ticking time bomb, waiting to destroy the rights it was created to protect.

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est

          Semper-Fi

          • Gimmesumadat Whatyougot

            Sorry… just scroll down (below) to the next reply I made to Vigilant. Same answer!

            As you continued to write “Your Guy” (Obama) within your tirade, I said I take no responsibility for him being in the oval office. That’s all.

            My only input here has to do only with Syria, and the supposed bombing. Not the president, not you.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      America is not the villain in the equation but it may end up being a dupe. I don’t know who gave you your spiel to write but they should have done some thinking before saying “America bad, THE WORLD GOOD”.

  • Vis Fac

    We are not the world’s police force. The reason so many nations hate us is because we have out own interests in mind prior to any actions we take. “Saving” people from themselves has strings attached (you owe us) and is not our “moral obligation” Saving OURSELVES should be our FIRST and ONLY priority.

    We put ourselves in this position we should worry about our own well being rather than people somewhere overseas. O’Reilly should take a step back and take a deep breath because he is wrong on this one.

    ODUMBO’s omnipotence well might be the final nail in our coffin. Should we engage in hostile actions Russia China and Iran would intervene on Syria’s behalf and crush us in an instant as our military has been hamstrung by liberal dogma.

    It’s time for us to become self sufficient and keep our nose out of other people’s business. Charity begins at home!

    The quandary the world faces is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people full of doubts” Bertrand Russell

    America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our
    liberties, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.– Abraham Lincoln

    The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do
    Nothing–Edmund Burke

    A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people
    and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated
    president… The United States is no longer a republic

    Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to eat for lunch with the
    well armed lamb contesting the vote. Liberty comes from the recognition of
    certain rights which may not be taken, not even by a 99% vote.”

    A democratic government that respects no limits on its power is a ticking time
    bomb, waiting to destroy the rights it was created to protect.

    Libertas inaestimabilis res est

    Semper-Fi

    • KG

      quote: Saving OURSELVES should be our FIRST and ONLY priority…

      And that begins with a healthy economy feed by a general prosperity that can be achieved by Union membership.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        Do you mean like they brought Prosperity to GM?
        Is that your only Joke, KGB? I’m getting bored.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        Do you mean like they brought Prosperity to GM?
        Is that your only Joke, KGB? I’m getting bored.

      • Vis Fac

        Sure like the NEA union that continues to push liberal propaganda
        in one dimensional idiot-ology indoctrination camps masquerading as public school.

        The ONLY reason you are pro union is the fact you wouldn’t be qualified for employment in a pepper mill extracting Fly $hit from ground pepper.

        The quandary the world faces is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people full of doubts” Bertrand Russell

        America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our liberties, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.– Abraham Lincoln

        The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

        A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president… The United States is no longer a republic

        Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to eat for lunch with the well armed lamb contesting the vote. Liberty comes from the recognition of certain rights which may not be taken, not even by a 99% vote.”

        A democratic government that respects no limits on its power is a ticking time bomb, waiting to destroy the rights it was created to protect.

        Libertas inaestimabilis res est

        Semper-Fi

      • rbrooks

        the slaves are demanding slavery. you can not change that mind set or philosophy.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Slavery is that forced upon unwilling people — Like that which Unionists do.

          • rbrooks

            labor laws force people to pay a reasonable and decent wage.

            you are unable to refute that.

            you want to return slavery to the working american.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            You could quit the job, nobody is forcing you to work for that company. Besides you agreed to the terms offered by the prospective employer.

          • Dave

            So you support the new slavery that comes with no unions and corporations making all the rules including what they pay you… Good corporatist apologist you are.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            How could they make the rules, Dave, unless you voluntarily allowed them to?
            Slavery implies Force, Dave, and the only people I see using Force are the Unionists and their Government pals.
            http://mises.org/daily/1604

          • Dave

            When they are the only ones lobbying congress and you support that large sum of money being spent in Congress to put forth the laws that relax labor laws… “voluntarily” is not part of the equation….

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            That “Lobbying” must not be working very well. We still have coercive Unionists.
            Levity aside, the Unions have huge lobbies. How else could they have garnered so much protection from Government for their violent and coercive acts?
            Some of the Government protection for coercive Unions:
            Lloyd-LaFollette Act.
            The Clayton Act.
            The Wagner National Labor Relations Act of 1935.
            And the Norris-LaGuardia Anti-Injunction Act.
            http://mises.org/daily/3553#part4

          • Dave

            Do you seriously believe Unions have more influence and money than Corporations in DC? Source if you do?
            Do I really need to go down the list of violent and coercive acts perpetrated by companies globally against workers and protections afforded to them by the Gov?
            Come on DaveH…How many banksters went to jail after they destroyed the economy through lax rules on dirivitive trading in the housing market?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Did I say “more influence than Corporations”?
            Here is a list of major Lobby efforts by Sector:
            http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/top.php?indexType=c&showYear=2013
            If you have read my comments, Dave, you would know that I rail against all forms of Government meddling in our economy, whether by Crony Capitalists or others such as Unionists seeking special-privilege.

            Dave says — “Do I really need to go down the list of violent and coercive acts perpetrated by companies globally against workers and protections afforded to them by the Gov?”.
            Please do, Dave. But please don’t waste our time with other countries’ travesties. Stick to the US.

            Dave says — “Come on DaveH…How many banksters went to jail after they destroyed the economy through lax rules on dirivitive trading in the housing market?”.
            You don’t even know how to spell derivatives, let alone know anything about them.
            You have been deceived, Dave. Bankers are indeed complicit in fraudulent activities, but derivatives trading has become a scapegoat for the crimes of the real culprits.
            Please read this and learn what’s really going on:
            http://mises.org/Books/historyofmoney.pdf

            And to better understand the legitimate use of derivatives:
            http://mises.org/daily/2399

          • Dave

            Sorry DaveH, I don’t have time for theory and conjecture from mises…You can’t even explain anything from that non-accredited institute yourself. BTW, You say I am Liz… No… Its Dave… the person who calls you on your BS… The PLD site is jacked once again.

            http://www.laborrights.org/end-violence-against-trade-unions/news/10860

            Not a fan of wiki but:

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-union_violence

            http://www.publicchristian.com/?p=119

            http://www.nathannewman.org/EDIN/.labor/.files/.archive/.strike.violence.html

            Of course these days… Corporations do not need phyical violence anymore because they are in almost every politicians’s pocket.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            System error. Your ID was Liz shortly ago.
            What are you explaining, Dave? Why would I waste my time reading your articles when I don’t even know what point you’re trying to make?
            If you are talking about company violence, I agree, they should be held liable for their actions. As should Unionists (but aren’t).
            And feel Free, Dave, to refute any points made by the articles I linked to.

          • Dave

            Kinda like you and mises isn’t it? LoL…
            The history of violence perpetrated by Corp America against working people when they have the nerve to stand up and demand better. They use the police, detective agencies to kill striking workers and that influence comes from their position with the Gov, money buys certain things and thats why I want all big money out of politics… Corporate and Union alike!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Like I said, Dave, feel free to refute anything Mises’ articles say. You won’t, because you can’t.
            Your ad hominem attacks are meaningless.
            I’m not the one supporting Big Government, Dave. Yet, you constantly attack me. Why is that? You claim to be against influence by Crony Capitalists, Unionists, and others, but you constantly rail against my efforts to get Big Government out of the Marketplace. That’s the only way to end the influence.
            Of course, Dave, I know that you are really a Shill for Big Government. You prove that on a daily basis.

          • Dave

            You want big money in the political process DaveH… your credibility is severely lacking as usual…

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You are a decepticon, Shill Dave. You pretend to want Crony Capitalists and other Crony Groups out of Government, but you stump for the very mechanisms that aid them. Without regulations and other protective Government mechanisms, the Politicians and Bureaucrats would be hard pressed to aid their Cronies.
            http://www.amazon.com/The-Big-Ripoff-Business-Government/dp/0471789070/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1377893126&sr=8-1&keywords=the+big+ripoff+how+government
            http://www.scribd.com/doc/144210931/Wayne-Crews-Ten-Thousand-Commandments-An-Annual-Snapshot-of-the-Federal-Regulatory-State-2013
            You certainly don’t fool me, Shill Dave, and judging by the number of thumbs down you usually garner — you aren’t fooling anybody else.

          • Jana

            You have his name all right Original DaveH. His name and his face. (Two faces)

          • Jana

            Original DaveH, Dave never gives any information. He uses this tactic on all of us. He needs to grow up and do his own homework or not, and just keep believing in the lies his hero’s , Obama, Kerry and the other liberals offer him.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Shill Dave’s mission here is to disrupt the board, Jana. He has claimed to be employed in International Sales on one day and International Technology on another day, yet he has the time to read PL and comment at all hours of the day.
            There’s no doubt in my mind that he’s being employed to misinform the readers.

          • Jana

            Yes, we had his number a long time ago.

          • Vigilant

            Those system errors are becoming more prevalent too. Mr. Livingston needs to ditch Disqus in favor of a more bug-free application.

          • Karolyn

            Oh, sure, because jobs are sooooo easy to find!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Thank Obama for that.

          • Jana

            thanks to Obama and Obama care it is getting worse.

          • rbrooks

            yes. you can quit one poor paying job and be forced to accept another poor paying job.

            thanks to reagan and folks like comrade davey we have too many poor paying jobs. and too many immigrants for the number of jobs we have available.

          • Don 2

            Too bad there are no “real” jobs!

          • Jana

            There are no real jobs because we have a so called President that is against small businesses.

          • rbrooks

            you can thank reagan and folks like comrade davey.

            increased immigration, elimination of unions and poor labor laws.

            ain’t it just great.

          • Don 2

            Increased immigration? – Congress didn’t uphold their end of the deal, remember? Since you brought up increased immigration, the 3 million involved in the Reagan amnesty is a drop in the bucket compared to Obama’s plans.

            Elimination of unions? You mean, there are no more unions? Who were all those loud, nasty people in Wisconsin? Reality bites, doesn’t it? When good hard working employees are given a chance to opt out of a union, and keep more of their hard-earned money instead of giving it to the Democrats, they do.

            Poor labor laws? Ummm, you haven’t been following Obama’s NLRB biased appointments and decisions, have you?

          • rbrooks

            lol. the 3 million was just the drop in the bucket. reagans open door immigration has lead to the numbers we have today.

            this is nothing more than reagan part 2.

            yes. there are fewer unions today. those hard working folks now make less and will continue to make less. poetic, actually. soon, comrade davey will have them all working for 2 an hour.

            obama is just another who has refused to increase minimum wage. tho he has been better at deporting than the last guy.

          • Don 2

            No rbrooks, Congress failing to secure the border as part of the deal is why we have the number of illegals here today.

            If workers do not want to pay union dues to Democrat politicians, that should be their right.

            Obama is ignoring immigration laws. Where have you been?

          • rbrooks

            congress did not fail to protect the borders. reagan’s plan was to allow more immigrants. which we have been doing.

            the fight over illegals is simply a means of deceiving the public.

            there are far more legal low wage immigrants than illegals.

            little bush passed a farm bill granting those legal immigrants food stamps. to help subsidize the low wages. he tried to pass this same immigration twice.

            workers are not paying democrats. same old stupid rhetoric.

            obama has deported more than little bush did.

            the point is that this has been ongoing since reagan.

            politicians from both sides support this. they count on the public’s ignorance. you seem to be helping them.

          • NC

            Don2. the “real jobs” started to melted like butter BEFORE Obama was ever sworn in along with a lot of the places they had worked that CLOSED their doors>Wonder if they are rehiring??? HAVE YOU EVER CLOSELY EXAMINED THE “BUSINESS FIGURES” OF MIDDLE CLASS INCOMES, NUMBER OF THOSE EMPLOYED IN REAL JOBS, THE STOCK MARKET AND PUBLIC CONFIDENCE THAT EXISTED WHEN CLINTON LEFT OFFICE AND THOSE SAME BUSINESS FIGURES WHEN bush LEFT OFFICE? THE “REAL MESS” HE LEFT TO OBAMA????? NO?? NEVER LOOKED?? WHY???
            HOW DO YOU EXPLAINE THE DDIFFERENCE??
            I KNOW WHAT 69 MILLION AMERICANS DID ABOUT THE ‘DIFFERENCE” IN 2008!!!

          • Don 2

            nc, 9 million American jobs have disappeared since Obama was crowned King Democrat. Still blaming Bush 5 years after…..pretty pathetic.

            So, what exactly have those 69 million Americans gotten in return since 2008? Can’t wait to hear this!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Minimum Wage Laws would be better called “Minimum Employment Laws”:
            http://mises.org/daily/6367/Outlawing-Jobs-The-Minimum-Wage

            So you’re for making the poor poorer, Flashman?

          • rbrooks

            lol. poor davey. you are unable to refute labor laws provide better wages and safer work environments.

            show us how minimum wage laws have created unemployment. unemployment, not under employment.

            you would increase the number of poor working individuals by eliminating labor laws. forcing them to work for a few dollars a day.

            then you and your fellow confused comrades would blame the liberals and democrats when the economy collapsed.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Flashman says — “show us how minimum wage laws have created unemployment. unemployment, not under employment”.
            Did you read the article, Flashman?

            Flashman says — “you would increase the number of poor working individuals by eliminating labor laws. forcing them to work for a few dollars a day”.
            The only Force I see in the equation is that which is applied by Government towards Employers. Nobody has to work for the lower wages. But those people, who would be happy to, could have jobs if they wanted. You know, Flashman, jobs — that concept which is strange to Liberal Progressive Obama Lovers.

            Flashman says — “then you and your fellow confused comrades would blame the liberals and democrats when the economy collapsed”.
            Only an ignorant Liberal Progressive would predict an economic collapse precipitated by more people working and producing.

            Those Folks, who are tired of the Propaganda and tired of being led around by the nose, should read this and wake up:
            http://library.mises.org/books/Kel%20Kelly/The%20Case%20for%20Legalizing%20Capitalism.pdf

          • rbrooks

            comrade davey says: no one is forced to work for lower wages. well, they can work for the lower wages or not have a wage at all.

            when they are forced to work for those lower wages, they will have very little, if any, disposable income. they will not be customers. they will barely have enough to be basic consumers.

            comrade davey will provide more low wage jobs. he is unable to show how increasing low wage jobs will drive the economy.

            you should ask those low wage folks, here in the u.s. and around the world, just how happy they are to work for those low wages.

            all you are selling is more neo socialism. which is how we came to this wonderful economy.

            your propaganda is easily disputed.

            prior to labor laws, the average american worker made less and worked in unsafe conditions.

            prior to the reagan open door immigration policy, we had more jobs than employees. which forced employers to offer a higher wage to induce employees to work for them.

            now we have more people than jobs and a business climate, that you are peddling, that wants to take advantage of that.

            if low wages are the answer, why is it that you low wage supporters always want someone else to work for those low wages.

            lead by example, davey.

            or is that your real problem. you work for low wages and want everyone else to join you at the bottom?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I needn’t worry that any intelligent people will swallow your disjointed nonsense, Flashman.

          • rbrooks

            unfortunately, there are too many of you home school drop outs comrade davey.

            you have never understood even the most basic economics.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            ad hominem.
            Straw Man.
            argumentum ad nauseum.
            You need help, Flashman. I can’t imagine a shrink taking you on, but maybe you can fool them.

          • rbrooks

            perhaps you would have a bit credibility if you could show how your low wage plan would have a positive affect on those you would force to work for those low wages or how it would be a positive impact on the economy.

            still waiting for that list of happy willing low wage workers.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You have no credibility, Flashman, no matter which personality you assume.
            And you need to get your concepts straight, Flashman. Nobody would be “Forcing” anybody to work for lower wages, but they would have the Opportunity to do so if they chose to.
            You know, Flashman, Choice — that thing which you Liberal Progressives claim to believe in but apply only when it comes to killing unborn babies.

          • rbrooks

            the opportunity to choose which low wage job they could accept.

            you can not show how low wages would lead to the customers that are required for a business to survive.

            you can not even show how your low wage worker would be able to pay for basics.

            it is has always been the problem with the demand side, neo socialist, economics.

            leaves you running in circles trying to find a way to deflect from the obvious answers and the consequences of your economic plan.

            it is really simple, tho to complicated for some one as simple as you.

            show how your 2 an hour worker is going to become the customer you will need.

            you can’t.

            nor can you show unemployed individuals who will willingly and happily accept these low wages. those low wages will not be enough to save their homes, cars or much of anything else.

            all you have is the same puppet show.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Flashman,
            If you’re too ignorant to figure out that employed people produce more than unemployed people, thus benefiting our economy, then I really can’t help you.
            I know that you aren’t really here to learn anything, but rather to keep other people from learning. The regular readers know what you are, Flashman.
            Seek Help.

          • rbrooks

            employed people do produce. that was never in question. the question, that you are trying to avoid, is what is the goal of the production. simply to produce? the crux of supply side economics is that production will lead to more jobs. increasing the number of workers will lead to more sales.

            supply side economics is designed to be a short term plan. creating the demand side that is required to drive the economy.

            your problem, is the same as reagans. when the jobs produced do not pay enough to provide the means to purchase, all you have accomplished is production.

            you are unable to show how your low wage workers will ever be able to have the means, the money, to be the customer you need.

            your lack of basic economics is the real problem.

            you will never be able to show how low wage workers will be able to be a customer.

            our current economy is proof that increasing low wage positions leads to a faltering economy.

            all you have to do to prove your theory is show how the low wage worker becomes a customer.

            you keep painting yourself into a corner in that round room.

            even the morons will eventually figure out that you are full of it.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Why would I waste my time on a dead thread debating your nonsense, Flashman? People can see the results of Government involvement in the economy, right now, right here. And if they want to do some studying they can see the results around the world:
            http://www.freetheworld.com/

            You can attempt to condescend me all you want, Flashman, but you can see by your number of thumbs down at the top of the thread that people aren’t buying your nonsense.

            This one statement by you shows how ignorant you are (or at least want others to be) — “you will never be able to show how low wage workers will be able to be a customer”.
            What nonsense. Anybody who spends money is a customer of somebody. Even the most ignorant readers know that.
            You are either incredibly ignorant, Flashman, or you are an evil Shill. I know the latter is true. The other readers will figure it out if they haven’t already.

          • rbrooks

            you will need to flee, yet again. you can never prove your theory works.

            your low wage workers can not be customers.

            they spend the little they make on basic sustenance.

            not on the items they are producing. or on the items the other low wage workers produce.

            you simply have to show how that low wage worker can buy a house or a car. and then maintain what they have bought on credit. as they will not have the means to purchase these items out right.

            you are unable to show how your 2 an hour worker would be able to afford the gas to run the car to get to the production line.

            how is that popularity thing working out for you. you must just love old obama. lol.

            you have a lot in common with him and the average politician.

            all talk.

            if one study’s the low wage country’s they will quickly see the detrimental results of low wages.

            you need others to accept less in the vain hope you might receive more.

            you have yet to show anyone that is willing to accept a lower wage.

            run little comrade.

            you were defeated before you ever began.

          • Jana

            You call Original DaveH comrade. This really labels you rbrooks. It shows who the Socialist/communist is.

          • rbrooks

            comrade davey has the right to be a socialist and a communist.

            most americans are just socialists.

          • rbrooks

            comrade davey says: no one is forced to work for lower wages. well, they can work for the lower wages or not have a wage at all.

            when they are forced to work for those lower wages, they will have
            very little, if any, disposable income. they will not be customers. they
            will barely have enough to be basic consumers.

            comrade davey will provide more low wage jobs. he is unable to show how increasing low wage jobs will drive the economy.

            you should ask those low wage folks, here in the u.s. and around the
            world, just how happy they are to work for those low wages.

            all you are selling is more neo socialism. which is how we came to this wonderful economy.

            your propaganda is easily disputed.

            prior to labor laws, the average american worker made less and worked in unsafe conditions.

            prior to the reagan open door immigration policy, we had more jobs
            than employees. which forced employers to offer a higher wage to induce
            employees to work for them.

            now we have more people than jobs and a business climate, that you are peddling, that wants to take advantage of that.

            if low wages are the answer, why is it that you low wage supporters always want someone else to work for those low wages.

            lead by example, davey.

            or is that your real problem. you work for low wages and want everyone else to join you at the bottom?

          • rbrooks

            lets put your theory to the test, davey.

            how many people on this board are willing to work for less than minimum wage.

            how many will happily accept that lower wage.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Flashman says — “how many people on this board are willing to work for less than minimum wage”.
            How ignorant. Flashman undermines himself in the same sentence. If they’re working for more than the minimum wage, they obviously didn’t need the minimum wage laws to protect them, did they?
            If minimum wage laws were the hot ticket, why stop at $7.50? Why not declare the minimum wage to be $100? Only ignoramuses like Flashman would think that would work.

            How about this test (of course I wouldn’t expect honest answers) — How many of you Liberal Progressives are feeding at the Government trough (including Government employees), being parasites on the rest of the population?

          • rbrooks

            i see you have no takers. including yourself. no surprise. as usual, you resort to dramatics to cover your inability to prove your philosophy. if they are working for more than minimum. ignoring the millions that are working for minimum. they have to accept less so a few can have more. which is all you are trying to sell.

            you would prefer a maximum wage?

            how many of you are feeding at the public trough, besides yourself. does that make you a liberal progressive?

          • rbrooks

            btw- minimum wage, unions and labor laws are the hot ticket.

            you would force labor to work for $2 an hour or less if you could. how will those low wage workers ever be customers.

            not going to be homes or cars. or much of anything else.

            it has always been the problem with your neo socialist theory.

            which is the problem with today’s economy. no money. no customers.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            It’s comical how you Liberal Progressives will ignore all reality in your efforts to deceive others, Flashman. Imagine trying to convince those people, who have lost their jobs because their companies can no longer afford them, that you did it for them.
            You’re a typical Liberal Progressive joke, Flashman.

          • rbrooks

            it is tragic that you have supported the very reasons that those company’s are no longer viable.

            increasing low wage immigration to increase the number of low wage workers who are no longer able to be a customer.

            you are unable to show how those low wage workers are going to be able afford anything beyond the very basic consumables.

            your low wage policy’s are the problem.

            you are unable to show any different.

            still waiting for that list of willing , happy, folks that will accept your lower wage program.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Those people who want to learn can simply read the article I posted here:
            http://personalliberty.com/2013/08/30/another-stupid-senseless-illegal-war/#comment-1023578580

            Otherwise, I’m not worried that anybody will be affected by your nonsensical garble, so I see no reason to respond to it.

          • Jana

            rbrooks,
            No one who has any gumption would work for less than minimum wage. That’s why we educate ourselves to become better.
            Minimum wage is for starting out, not to make a career on.
            Teens who have no, 0 experience are the ones who should go to these starter jobs, this is what they are for, not for someone who is trying to support a family and have half the week off too so they can go play.

          • rbrooks

            well, you and davey can explain why so many educated individuals now have a career that pays minimum or minimal wages.

            then you can explain why so many are fighting over the few jobs we have available.

            after that, you might, maybe, be able to understand why employers can continue to force low wages.

            btw- when all of the jobs become minimum wage jobs, your gumption will either lead you to accept that job or the consequences of no job.

            even old comrade davey understands that.

          • rbrooks

            comrade davey says: no one is forced to work for lower wages. well, they can work for the lower wages or not have a wage at all.

            when they are forced to work for those lower wages, they will have
            very little, if any, disposable income. they will not be customers. they
            will barely have enough to be basic consumers.

            comrade davey will provide more low wage jobs. he is unable to show how increasing low wage jobs will drive the economy.

            you should ask those low wage folks, here in the u.s. and around the
            world, just how happy they are to work for those low wages.

            all you are selling is more neo socialism. which is how we came to this wonderful economy.

            your propaganda is easily disputed.

            prior to labor laws, the average american worker made less and worked in unsafe conditions.

            prior to the reagan open door immigration policy, we had more jobs
            than employees. which forced employers to offer a higher wage to induce
            employees to work for them.

            now we have more people than jobs and a business climate, that you are peddling, that wants to take advantage of that.

            if low wages are the answer, why is it that you low wage supporters always want someone else to work for those low wages.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Why are you still hiding behind your rbrooks persona, Flashman? Have some pride. Come out from behind the curtain.
            You might think you’re cute, Flashman, but in the long run, you are your own worst enemy. As you get older, your evilness will catch up to you and you will die a miserable old man. Good luck with that.

          • rbrooks

            deflection is all you can come up with? you never had a chance. you are the poster child for ignorance.

        • Jana

          You just negated what you stated. A healthy economy has NOTHING to do with unions. YUCK!!!

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            The twisted two-cell liberal brain it says all.

          • rbrooks

            so how is the poor paying job economy doing?

            your lack of basic economics is simply astounding.

          • Jana

            Not very well thanks to your Socialistic policies of gimme gimme gimme.

          • rbrooks

            stop being a socialist.

      • Keith

        “A healthy ecomonmy thsat can only be fed by union membership” That statement would be laughable if it wasn’t so tragically absurd. If that statement was true Detriot would still be a thriving wealthy industrial powerhouse instead of the crime ridden bankrupt slum that the union parasites and the leftist politicians they put in office created by driving all of the wealth producers out with thier collectivist thievery.
        I am a former union member. Leaving my union job for one that provides comparable compensation with way more room for advancement was the best move I ever made. I also enjoy the work environment where excellence is rewarded and encouraged and there is no childish animosity towards management. The only thing the union did for me was take my money to protect the lazy and incompetent that ridiculed, resented, and rode on the backs of there more productive co-workers. The facts don’t lie. The wealthiest most prosperous states are right to work states while most forced union states are bankrupt collectivist hell holes.

        • KG

          So, it was the guy putting on fenders who made the executive and financial decisions that the Automakers did? It wasn’t the ‘cost of labor’ that made Automakers abandon Detroit, it was the ‘maximization of profits’. When Management and Labor lived in the same city, management could see what higher wages brought to THEIR city. But when Management could move to Grosse Point and live in lavish mansions, why bother with improving the lot of their workers?

          I’m sorry about your Union experience. There are a lot of losers who cant hack the high standards Union members demand of each other. It seems you have managed well. But what about your Pension? I guess you believed reagan when he said there would be no pension or SS when you retire. Whats that? You say you have a 401K? I guess you may have gained some of it back thanks to Our President, Mr Obama.

          • Keith

            The first responcibility an executive of any company is to maximize profits and to provide a good return to the share holders. It s the share holders that the executives have any moral accountability to because it is they who have entrusted thier wealth to invest in the company. The reason that the executives moved out of Detriot and in to the surrounding suburbs is because of the exorbitant confiscatory taxes that were put in placeduring the 1960s when the leftist scum took controll of the city. They were joined by other high skilled high wage earners and successful business men and I don’t blame them for simply protecting thier wealth from confiscation.

            As for my union experience. The only “standards” the hard core union slugs ever held anybody up to was that they be obedient union shills. The union pension was on the verge of insolvency and I had a union mouthpiece pretty admit to me that it was a Ponzi scheme by stating ” hey, when you retire there should be plenty of folks behind you to cover your pension”. I took that statement to mean that current pension benefits were being paid by current contributions, thus the very definition of a Ponzi Scheme. I told the shill as much and he he did not have an anser for that. I am happy that I am now free to invest my money as I see fit and am not forced to to contribute to a union ponzi scheme and pay the salary of parasites and criminals.

          • KG

            quote: The first responcibility [sic] an executive of any company is to maximize profits and to provide a good return to the share holders. It s the share holders that the executives have any moral accountability to because it is they who have entrusted thier wealth to invest in the company.

            So an employes investment of his time and labor mean nothing? If that’s the case, then why even bother hiring people? Profits would soar! Am I right???

            The people who invested ‘money’ are more ‘moral’ than the people investing their blood and sweat? Is that what you are saying? So employees contribute nothing to the business?

            A ‘Ponzi’ scheme is when a person convinces someone to give money for an investment, but then uses that money to show profit to some other “investors” so as to enrich himself. A Pension is a group of people who pool their money to buy assets to ensure income for the group in the future. However, to ensure that groups future income, new members are needed to counteract the effect of inflation. Union as well as private pensions are NOT ‘Ponsi’ schemes.

            However, for a pension to work, you may have to depend on others for your future welfare. With a private ‘retirement’ account, to he77 to anyone else, it’s all mine!! However, as an individual, could you ever hope to save enough to have a good retirement? Or will you be greeting at WalMart for groceries?

  • Flashy

    1. Syria, what it represents by way of despotic regimes and the use of chemmies being unleashed, the role of Hezbollah, the influence of Iran …. anyone who would say such doesn’t represent a threat to the US is either woefully ignorant or stating falsehoods and anti-American propaganda.

    As to the role to play? Good question. The only for certain role is to do nothing.

    2. With the Great Game just coming to the end of the beginning in the ME, no one with an iota of intelligence would say the US is badly outflanked. Reality is, until we get ourselves off oil dependent energy sources, the ME will be our reality. ironically, the crazed right wing wack jobs who and wewe walk away from.the ME oppose the energy policies which would allow us to walk. Reality never has been a strong suit of the TP/American Taliban…dem

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      You present a threat to us, Flashman, so what should we do with you?

      • TIME

        Dear Dave,
        What to do with a person who is illiterate, Ignorant, as well just a mindless sheep like our resident Flash, or any of the other like minded fools.
        Don’t waste your TIME with responding to them.
        The facts are clear, many here, even myself at one point in TIME thought perhaps some of these off cue nut cases would see the LIGHT.
        Sadly, Dave we all know all they see is darkness as they feed from the troth of Bovine Waste Matter.
        Don’t waste your TIME with them. You just can’t fix “STUPID.”
        Peace and Love

        • Karolyn

          Hey, TIME, I thought WW III was supposed to start on the 28th.

          • TIME

            Dear Karolyn,
            It has, but sadly – you just can’t see the tree’s through the forest, but I am sure in TIME, even the most dence of humans will get it.
            THUS ~ Keep your eyes open and watch it unfold.
            A hint, ~~ what will get Americans pumped up to go kill brown skinned people yet again?
            Now put on your thinking cap and look at what that may be.
            Nothing works like you think it dose, just as WW I & II were not defined by the overt rhetoric all humans have been sold as the start of the noted conflict’s.
            Peace and Love.

    • JeffH

      Bahhhhhh, bahhhhh, bahhhhhh!

    • Don 2

      Hey, it’s your guy, Obama’s “red line.” It’s your guy’s ego on the line. It’s your guy who was going to make the world love us. It’s your guy who was going to make the world respect us. It’s your guy who was going to bring the world together.

      It’s your guy who can’t get anyone, not even Belize, to join him because he alienated all our allies and friends. It’s your guy who supports the Muslim Brotherhood. It’s your guy who won’t go after our own energy resources. It’s your guy’s ACA that the unions and Trumpka championed, and are now crying the blues about, begging for an exemption. It’s your guy’s policies that are killing jobs.

      It’s your guy who is a waste of skin, not the right!

  • Nadzieja Batki

    With all the cameras of the world on and in Syria what actual danger exists in that country if the photographed fighters/enemies are doing the camera dances for the world? How stupid are decisions based on emotions and hand wringing and sighs of “we must do something” that are being thrown around?

    • TheOriginalDaveH
      • JeffH

        DaveH, thanks…is it real or is it Memorex?

        Anything to justify the PTB’s continuous theft from the unwitting masses and their own form of genocide of 3rd world countries by keeping the drumbeats of war in the headlines.

      • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

        Good link. I subscribed to it.

      • Jana

        This is a great link. I just subscribed. Thanks, what an eye opener.

  • me

    all we’ll do if we attack syria is stir up the muslim world against. why doesn’t the whole world go after him? Hell no. Once thiw ignorant country and its leaders must play world policeman. Let the joke UN do it so it would be everyone in it. that wouldn’t work because everytime the highly ineffective UN does anything its a wasted effort. Can this country actually afford it. Hell no!

    • Vis Fac

      Muslims are already literally calling for our heads. Why commit our resources to back one faction against the other? Stay the hell out let them sort things out. We have nothing to gain and much to lose if we do. History will again repeat if we get involved yet another time.

      The quandary the world faces is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people full of doubts” Bertrand Russell

      America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our liberties, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.– Abraham Lincoln

      The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

      A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president… The United States is no longer a republic!

      Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to eat for lunch with the well armed lamb contesting the vote. Liberty comes from the recognition of certain rights which may not be taken, not even by a 99% vote.”

      A democratic government that respects no limits on its power is a ticking time bomb, waiting to destroy the rights it was created to protect.

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est

      Semper-Fi

  • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

    Another slap in the o’bama’s face, but this time not by the mature man (President Vladimir Putin), but by the 11-years boy Hafez – Assad’s Son, whose post on the Facebook says:

    “12 hours we waited [for the military strike]…. 48 hours they said, we’re waiting. America doesn’t have soldiers, what it has is some cowards with new technology WHO CLAIM THEMSELVES LIBERATORS.”

    “[M]aybe they will destroy the army, but they will never destroy these remnants and little bits of resistance, it’s who we are, we were born to fight and resist, we will fight them everywhere until they get out.”

    The post ends with a promise to fight until the last man: If America invades, Hafez writes, “they don’t know our land like we do, no one does, victory is ours in the end no matter how much time it takes.”
    http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/08/29/facebook-post-said-to-be-by-assads-son-dares-americans-to-attack/?_r=0

    P.S. If you click on the link to the Facebook, you’ll get this: This content is CURRENTLY unavailable. Censorship at work.

    • Vis Fac

      Apparently you have no idea that a petty ego social media page can be fake providing misinformation. I wouldn’t believe what ANY petty ego social page says even if it had a notary stamp affixed at the bottom. If you totally believe in something you’ll fall for anything.

      The quandary the world faces is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people full of doubts” Bertrand Russell

      America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our liberties, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.– Abraham Lincoln

      The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

      A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president… The United States is no longer a republic!

      Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to eat for lunch with the well armed lamb contesting the vote. Liberty comes from the recognition of certain rights which may not be taken, not even by a 99% vote.”

      A democratic government that respects no limits on its power is a ticking time bomb, waiting to destroy the rights it was created to protect.

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est

      Semper-Fi

      • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

        I have a pretty good idea about “a petty ego” and mean-spirited lying MSM. I wouldn’t believe ANY their “news”.

        And WHO said that I am “totally believe in something” ANY media claims?

        What I “totally believe” – in the UNDENIABLE FACTS and the God’s TRUTH. http://www.truthin7minutes.com/?PC=YT-description-latest-video-syrian-genocide

        • Karolyn

          Then why spread rumors when they may not be true?

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            KEEP spewing your DISJOINTED nonsense.
            Just memo to you: everyone knows that you are extremely liberal with the PERVERT Mentality. So, you do not have to demonstrate it again and again.

          • Karolyn

            Disjointed nonsense? I think not. Just responses that may make people think. Of course, it wouldn’t matter if I started to agree with everything you say, you would still not accept it. Actually, you would not accept if I agreed with anything you said. You do not even read what I say. you just see my name and automatically have to post ad hominems. They do not add to anyone’s credibility. If you bothered to really read what I write, it might get through your head that I am in no way, shape or form an “extreme liberal.”

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Do you ever really say anything, Karolyn, other than condescending others?

          • Karolyn

            Yes I always say something and do not condescend to anyone. You might take a look in the mirror yourself in that regard, Dave.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I’m not the one who pretends to be Cinderella, Karolyn.

          • Karolyn

            I pretend to be nothing, Dave. I am who I am, no pretense whatsoever.

          • Bob666

            Because Swinstein is a propagandist-that is what they do.

          • Charlie

            YO YO ,,, what’s your propagandist words on the up coming war ???

          • Bob666

            Hello Nutcase Charlie,
            I don’t do propaganda.

    • Karolyn

      Maybe taken down because it is a lie? Could it really be? Oh, of course not, because Alondra believes it. And I am not saying it is a rumor/falsehood/lie, just that it is possible, but you would not even give that a passing thought. Once again, as long as something is in line with your stand, it HAS to be true, whether there is proof or not.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        Feel free to expose anything as rumor or lie, Karolyn.

        • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

          There is NONE. She just complying with the boob666 orders to troll me.

          • Bob666

            Yo Pork Butt,
            Karolyn is an Intelligent lady and does as she chooses with out instructions from me or anyone else. As for trolling, I have always had far better things to do than follow a morally deficient nutcase like yourself.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Yet, here you are, Bob.

          • Bob666

            And so are you Dave, your point would be…………

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            It would be that you seem to be following Alondra around, as she said.

          • Bob666

            Well Dave,
            That could be said about you as well….

            I might remind you that she accused me of posting to her under different names -twice in the last six weeks and both times was proven wrong by Bob L.

            One could also say that she stalks Karolyn and others,

            Could it be possible that she is just plain nuts???

          • KG

            This shoud be a sit-com on NBC! Highest Comedy since Carol Burnet Show!

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Yeah, sje is so intelligent, like you, PSYCHOPATHIC MANIAC.
            But keep bussing, manurial fly “of the 13
            generation out of 14”

          • Bob666

            That’s OK Baby Backs,
            13th generation American and proud of it. One day your gene pool might accomplish something instead of being a parasite on society.

            Keep pumping the propaganda-someone with an IQ over 60 might buy into it.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Look who is talking about “parasite”?

            The PARASITE “of the 13 generation out of 14” himself.

            Well, keep yapping Delusional, PITIFUL, SICK EGO-CENTRIC PSYCHOPATH, the only thing you can do.

          • Bob666

            Well -Well Fat Back,

            You would be the tick and society would be the dog.

            Delusional, no.
            PITIFUL, Not really.
            SICK EGO-CENTRIC PSYCHOPATH, hardly.

            Happy, Happy-Happy-You betcha!

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Keep yapping Envious, Coward, Delusional, PITIFUL, SICK EGO-CENTRIC MANIAC “of the 13 generation out of 14”

          • Bob666

            Oh Poor Pork Belly,

            Envious, of you-never!
            Coward, Here I am-so that is wrong.
            Delusional, no, wrong -Again!

            Happy, Happy- Happy-with both feet planted on the ground…..You betcha!

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Keep yapping Envious, Coward, Delusional, PITIFUL, SICK EGO-CENTRIC MANIAC “of the 13 generation out of 14”

        • Dave

          LOL… This is a facebook post of bravado….By someone that they think is Assad’s son… Really DaveH???? Really????

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Dave, you have to talk to your buddy karolyn, not to DaveH.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            That’s an exposure? Even if you had credibility, Dave (and you don’t), you would still need to provide some evidence.

          • Dave

            Please tell me all the factual info from that post DaveH?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            The burden of proof is on you, Shill Dave. You’re the one who poo-pooed it.

          • Dave

            LOL… The whole post as a boast… did you read it like you do your mises links?

          • Jana

            Now you see, that’s the problem Dave. No one can tell you anything, you know it all.

        • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

          Passed FIVE+ hours and still NO evidence or
          any proof to back up her liberal bully.

      • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

        Of cause once AGAIN “as long as something is” against “line with your stand, it HAS to be” untrue.

        We know what “is in line with your stand” – it is PERVERSIN and DEPRAVITY with all PROOFS!!!

        So, Mizz karolyn, feel free talking your STUPIDITY.

        • Karolyn

          Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! :-)

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Oh, Surprise, surprise!!! Libtardic HYSTERIA.

  • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

    Right now johnny kerry is LYING to American People.

    • Vis Fac

      Right now? When has he stopped lying?

      The quandary the world faces is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people full of doubts” Bertrand Russell

      America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our liberties, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.– Abraham Lincoln

      The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

      A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president… The United States is no longer a republic!

      Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to eat for lunch with the well armed lamb contesting the vote. Liberty comes from the recognition of certain rights which may not be taken, not even by a 99% vote.”

      A democratic government that respects no limits on its power is a ticking time bomb, waiting to destroy the rights it was created to protect.

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est

      Semper-Fi

  • Dave

    Ian Hurd, writes with incomplete information and is wrong. We do not know who is using the weapons and it is not the job of the United States to be the world’s police. Let the UN or the Arab league make that determination and let others besides the US risk blood and treasure… Our meddling in mid-east and Persian affairs has garnered us very little except the ire of the people of the region because we have supported anyone what will support our economic plan. (That means we are a bunch of phonies when we talk freedom and democracy to these people folks).
    If we are to lead a military intervention here, we gain nothing… half the country will tolerate us for supporting their side’s win and the other half will use their defeat as proof of American imperialism.
    Stop the madness…
    Let the UN and the Arab League handle this one…We have “helped” enough in Iraq, Afghanistann, Pakistan, Yemen, Kuwait, Iran, Libya and Saudi Arabia.
    If Obama attacks Syria, Any respect I had for the man will be gone.

    • Vis Fac

      You have to earn my respect. After doing my research on ODUMBO he never came close. Too many people are easily fooled because they want to be.

      The quandary the world faces is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people full of doubts” Bertrand Russell

      America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our liberties, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.– Abraham Lincoln

      The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

      A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president… The United States is no longer a republic!

      Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to eat for lunch with the well armed lamb contesting the vote. Liberty comes from the recognition of certain rights which may not be taken, not even by a 99% vote.”

      A democratic government that respects no limits on its power is a ticking time bomb, waiting to destroy the rights it was created to protect.

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est

      Semper-Fi

      • Dave

        He had mine when he opposed the IRAQ war and was helping those without a political voice, get one…
        Those were two virtuous positions in my book… I am skeptical of your “research” Force… I would say you went into your research with certain pre-concieved notions…
        But on balance, Obama has been an avg corporatist president during a great challenging time in this country. I was hoping to get Theo Rooselvelt and clean up the big money mess in DC but alas…
        Getting mixed up in Syria would break it for me and Obama

      • NC

        FORCE, THE “QUANDARY” of President Obama is that from the beginning of this ‘crisis” 4000 miles away regardless of how he handles it, from doing nothing MILITARILY , to missiles, to a full scale invasion to everything in between, some citizens are going to question HIS DECISION! THAT IS ESPECIALLY TRUE HERE WHERE THE ULTRA CONSERVATIVES HAVE CONDEMNED EVERY THING HE HAS DONE!
        SO HE DOES WHAT HE THINKS BEST AND TELLS THOSE WHO DISAGRESS THAT HE APPRECIATES THEIR CONCERN BUT HE CAN’T DO THE BIDDING OF EVERY ONE IN HIS DECISION MAKING?
        BTW, has anyone from Obama’s government confiscated your “arms”? Taken your home or other possessions? Placed you or anyone you know in a FEMA political prisoner camp, allowed a foreign country to invade and conquer us, canceled your elections or declared themselves dictator? If you will read carefully ALL OF THAT HAS BEEN PROMISED YOU BY THOSE YOU AGREE WITH HERE!
        BE VERY CAREFUL THAT YOU ARE NOT ‘EASILY FOOLED” BY THOSE WHO HAVE PROMISED YOU THIS MESS!

  • Charlie

    For all you heathens and wanna be Christians ,,, check out the small one page book in The Bible , by the Prophet “Obadiah” ,,, Obadiah is between Amos and Jonah , in The Bible… It tells you what is about to happen to The state of Israel ..
    Maybe KG can prove Obadiah wrong,,, ha ha ha ha ha ,,, go for it !!!………………

  • chuckb

    Chip, Bill O’Reilly is a blow hard one day he’s on he conservative side, the next agreeing with Barry. If the truth was known he probably is a closet Democrat (Bolshevik) He is in line with the administration,

    However, it sounds to me like the Bolsheviks are trying to back off the bombing, listening to Kerry this morning, I detected a change in position.

    This country is in a world of hurt with people like Barry and Kerry setting our foreign policy, Both are ignorant of world politics, especially Barry, the danger is, he could get us in ww3 with his egotistical attitude.

    One has to question why Assad would turn to using wmd’s while he’s winning the war, it doesn’t sound logical to me.

  • Liz

    This whole thing is hysterical, Kerry just gave a news conference stating the President has been consulting Congress every day, Congress is on vacation, I guess they were on conference calls. I don’t believe a word Kerry said and I don’t believe it is Assad’s Government using the gas, I don’t like Assad but look at the alternative. I think it is the Muslim Brotherhood and it President (O’Bama) that wants Assad out and the Muslim Brotherhood installed. Assad’s government did not burn the churches either that just begun since the rebels started attacking the military.

    • Dave

      Your propaganda is amusing… You make some kind of point about Congress being on vacation and Kerry is lying when he says Obama is in consultation with Congress and then you admit there are these things called cell phones and video conferencing systems that allow communication.
      If Obama is a huge supporter of the Muslim brotherhood like you allege… He is the worst supporter (see Egypt and Libya)
      Can you be a little less of a political hack and just say we have nothing to gain in Syria and much to lose?

      • Liz

        We shall see……

      • Don 2

        Perhaps you should check the list of Obama advisors and policy makers with ties to the Muslim Brotherhood?

        • Dave

          How specifically is Obama supporting the MB today… Be specific and compare against any other group in the region please… If you show me that Obama is giving preferenial treatment to the MB, then I will buy what you are selling… If Obama is making relationships with the new group in charge like we do with anyone else, then once again… your point has no merit.

          • Jana

            Don2 already told you how to check it out for yourself Dave. You like people to do your work for you.

          • Dave

            No, he is the accuser, the burden of proof is not on me.

          • Jana

            As he said, “Perhaps you should check the list of Obama advisers and policy makers with ties to the Muslim Brotherhood.
            He has as his advisers many Muslims with ties to their brotherhood.
            You always use the tactic of show me then I will buy what you are selling. You have been shown but you are blind to the truth. So, no we aren’t going to do your homework for you.

          • Dave

            Jana,
            Bring the list and then give me the actions of Obama that lend itself to show undo influence of these “people” giving favoritsm to the MB, you either have proof or you don’t… Don doesn’t.

          • Jana

            You talk like a teenage girl going around and around in circles. No one is going to do your homework for you. You make up too many things and can’t seethe truth when it hits you in the face.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Dave is exactly like his leader “going around and around in circles”. They are avoiding the straight ways.

          • Dave

            So then you are just slandering Obama because you don’t like him then? Got it.
            because none of you conservatives have brought any proof of your allegations so…
            Throw that on the scrapheap with your birther BS.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            What did Jana say that slandered Obama, Shill Dave? And please, provide some evidence.

          • Don 2

            Rashad Hussain
            Dalia Mogahed
            Azizah al-Hibri
            Arif Alikhan
            Kareem Shora
            Youssef Aboul-Enein
            Jocelyne Cesari

          • Dave

            Don, do you have any proof that the MB received any “extra special” treatment as opposed to other groups in the region? Yes or no…

          • Don 2

            Dave, do you have any proof that someone isn’t paying you to come to the PLD site and deflect criticism of Barack Obama and his administration? Yes or no…

          • KG

            What about the Nazis in Reagan’s cabinet?

            George P. Shultz
            Caspar W. Weinberger
            Edwin Meese
            Donald P. Hodel
            Richard S. Schweiker
            Margaret M. Heckler

          • Don 2

            Reagan has a cabinet? I thought he was dead? Get up to speed KGB. This is 2013. Hey, speaking of Ronnie, he sure put them air traffic controllers in their place, didn’t he?

          • KG

            That’s why our country is in the economic shape it is now because of those fired air traffic controllers. There should have been a general strike like The Great Railroad Strike of 1877. That would have shown the Republicans how stupid and evil it was to deny working people the right to collectively organize.

          • NC

            Jana. even JeffH’s allegation are based on “a CLAIM ( NOT PROOF, BUT A CLAIM) by an Egyptian magazine”
            You just posted ABOVE that you don’t trust the US media but you jump right in bed with an Egyptian magazine”??????Hello????? How do you know where to choose your “news”???? Couldn’t possibly be what fits your conservative agenda could it??? THAT’S NEWS???
            YOU NEED TO BE MORE CAREFUL BECAUSE ADULT INDEPENDENTS READ YOUR POST HERE!!

          • Don 2

            Here they are:

            Rashad Hussain
            Dalia Mogahed
            Azizah al-Hibri
            Arif Alikhan
            Kareem Shora
            Youssef Aboul-Enein
            Jocelyne Cesari

          • JeffH

            Egyptian Magazine: Muslim Brotherhood Infiltrates Obama Administration
            by John Rossomando • Jan 3, 2013
            http://www.investigativeproject.org/3869/egyptian-magazine-muslim-brotherhood-infiltrates

            An Egyptian magazine claims that six American Islamist activists who work with the Obama administration are Muslim Brotherhood operatives who enjoy strong influence over U.S. policy

            The six named people include: Arif Alikhan, assistant secretary of Homeland Security for policy development; Mohammed Elibiary, a member of the Homeland Security Advisory Council; Rashad Hussain, the U.S. special envoy to the Organization of the Islamic Conference; Salam al-Marayati, co-founder of the Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC); Imam Mohamed Magid, president of the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA); and Eboo Patel, a member of President Obama’s Advisory Council on Faith-Based Neighborhood Partnerships.

            _____________________________________
            Report–Obama quietly appoints Muslim Brotherhood to key posts
            http://www.examiner.com/article/report-obama-quietly-appoints-muslim-brotherhood-to-key-posts-updates

            ______________________________________
            Egyptian official ties Obama’s half-brother to Muslim Brotherhood – August 20, 2013

            When the Egyptian government and mainstream media reported on the role of Barack Obama’s half-brother, Malik Obama, and his ties with the Muslim Brotherhood, former Muslim Brotherhood, Walid Shoebat on Monday pointed out that the connections are now coming clearer on why President Obama has been soft on Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood’s reign of terror in Egypt
            http://www.examiner.com/article/egyptian-official-ties-obama-s-half-brother-to-muslim-brotherhood

            Lois Lerner: Accessory to Terror Funding

            There is now conclusive evidence that exposes Lois Lerner – the IRS senior manager and Director of Exempt Organizations who exercised her fifth amendment rights in front of the House Oversight Committee – as an accessory to terror funding. Charges against Lerner could amount to criminal negligence for not checking into the bonafides of the Barack H. Obama Foundation (BHOF) before granting such expeditious, retroactive, and possibly illegal tax-exempt status.
            http://shoebat.com/2013/05/31/lois-lerner-accessory-to-terror-funding/
            This video exposes President Obama’s half-brother – Malik H. Obama – as a senior leader in terror organizations that supply funding and comfort to Al Qaeda. Malik Obama is also a close associate of Omar al-Bashir, the president of Sudan who is wanted by the International Criminal Court (ICC) for crimes against humanity.

          • Dave

            OK JeffH, maybe you have some excess powder in your ears and you were blinded by the gun fire at the range… tell me where the MB have sway within the Obama admintration and how they have extra special support over other groups in the region.
            You got anything?

          • JeffH

            Ignoramous Dave47D must love wearing blinders.

            US Support for the Muslim Brotherhood in the White House and Egypt

            “If your listeners want to understand where our foreign policy is getting twisted into some type of support for the Islamists, it must be related to the advice that President Obama and his entire team are getting from the Islamists that they bring in under the cover of the White House,” Zuhdi Jasser advised Secure Freedom Radio’s Frank Gaffney on Monday.

            “It’s certainly interesting how they use the Wahhabi Islamist connection when it doesn’t fit their paradigms…The DHS guidelines came out and said to avoid reformers because supposedly we have a political agenda while they [the pro-Muslim Brotherhood side] don’t, when all the while this week CAIR came out and told Obama to condemn the violence against the Brotherhood and they were all silent when Egypt was being torn apart by violence against Christians and against minorities for the last year.”
            http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/2013/07/30/obamas-support-for-the-muslim-brotherhood-in-the-white-house-and-egypt/

            Frank Gaffney’s invaluable pamphlet, The Muslim Brotherhood in the Obama Administration, is an important tool for understanding the degree of the Brotherhood’s infiltration of the Obama Administration and the degree of its influence on the national foreign policy that has aided Islamists in their goal of building a new Caliphate.

            To understand just how far advanced the infiltration of the Muslim Brotherhood into the Obama administration has progressed, read this pamphlet by Frank Gaffney, President of the Center for Security Policy, called The Muslim Brotherhood in the Obama Administration.

            Anthony Weiner’s wife Huma Abedin is not only related to people connected to the Muslim Brotherhood and its galaxy of front groups but before becoming Hillary Clinton’s Deputy Chief of Staff she was herself directly associated with a Brotherhood organization, the Institute for Muslim Minority Affairs.
            http://frontpagemag.com/2012/frank-gaffney/the-muslim-brotherhood-in-the-obama-administration/

            All I can do is lead you to the information…how you process it is up to you.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            JeffH says: “All I can do is lead you to the information…how you process it is up to you.”

            Jeff, the LORD “said, ‘Go, and tell this people: ‘Keep on
            hearing, but DO NOT understand; Keep on seeing, but DO NOT perceive.’”
            (Isaiah 6:9)

            “[B]ecause seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. – Jesus Christ (Matthew 13:13)

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You can lead a Donkey to water, but he won’t drink it unless you convince him that it belongs to somebody else.

          • JeffH

            LOL! I Like!

          • Dave

            Again, the gun powder must of messed up your little head…. Where is the proof of favoritism over other groups? Do you have anything or are you going to engage in more of a circle je^k as usual?

          • JeffH

            Ignorant Dave47D says DUH!

            I’ve provided the MB ties between Obama & his Administration and in our government…and yet you still talk stupid.

            “Ignorance breeds monsters to fill up the vacancies of the soul that are unoccupied by the verities of knowledge.”
            – Horace Mann

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Dear Dave, I just can’t believe how stupid and ignorant you are.

            “anoint your eyes with eye salve, that you may see.”(Revelation 3:18)

          • Dave

            Dear Alondra,
            I can believe how stupid you are… you are a religious kook conservative afterall…
            Have a great night!
            Dave

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Thank you Dave. Same to you.
            Good night and have a sweeeeeeet dream.
            I hope I’ll see you tomorrow.
            Or you are off tomorrow?

          • Don 2

            The Obama policy advisors affiliated with the Muslim Brotherhood are in the WH nimrod. Do you need me to actually give you their names, or are you capable of finding them yourself?

          • Jana

            Here is a partial answer from WTS/JAY on Saturday.

            WTS/JAY 2 hours ago

            Why So Many People Think Obama Is a Muslim…

            A new Gallup poll shows that 11% of Americans think Obama is a Muslim, and the leftist media just can’t figure out why anyone would get that idea.

            Slate concluded that it must be because of “his exotic name and background, the color of his skin, or (most likely) some combination of the two.” But in reality, the reason why people think Obama is a Muslim is because of how he acts.

            Why do people believe that Barack Obama is a Muslim?

            Here’s why: after the Muslim Brotherhood won the Egyptian presidency, the military moved to curb the president’s powers in order to stave off sharia rule in Egypt. But then Obama warned the military that they
            better hand over power quickly, or Egypt would lose billions in U.S. aid.

            It wasn’t enough that Obama invited the Muslim Brotherhood to his submission speech in Cairo in June 2009, despite the fact that the group was banned at that time for obvious reasons: they wanted to install a
            sharia government, and the draconian, barbaric code of sharia, in Egypt.

            It wasn’t enough that after he invited the Brotherhood to his speech; he had officials in his administration meeting with this Islamic supremacist group.

            It wasn’t enough that he abandoned the true freedom movement, when the women of Iran and Persians and Zoroastrians rose up after 30 years of oppressive sharia rule. Obama spit on them and left them to die.
            They met bullets with bare flesh and broken bricks…

            continued: http://www.americanthinker.com

      • Liz

        The news has already reported that Congress is not in session.

        • Dave

          Yes but as you said… there are these new inventions called cell phones and video conferencing so your point is what about John Kerry?

          • Jana

            You support Kerry the coward? He is also good friends with Hanoi Jane. I don’t trust Kerry any further than I can throw him and I can’t throw him at all. Only the low information people, or the ones who are blind and deaf to the truth actually think Kerry is any good. Or Obama for that matter!

          • Dave

            Jana, I do not “support” John Kerry… I am no Democrat but compare him to cowards like George W Bush and Dick Cheney… he looks better.

          • Jana

            Then there is no hope for you because you don’t know what a coward is. That means you might be one yourself and are delusional thinking you aren’t.

          • Dave

            A coward is someone that supports a war and uses daddy’s influence to get out of it and protect the AL coastline from the Viet-Kong… or using 5 deferments to get out of the same war you supported…
            That is a coward…
            Did you vote for these two scumbags twice Jana?

          • Jana

            The coward desires revenge but being afraid to die, he
            looks to others, maybe to the government of the day, to do the work of defense for him.
            aka wimp, weakling, scaredy cat, bully, yep thinking I am talking to one.

          • Dave

            So you feel the same way I do about Bush 2? that describes IRAQ to a tee…
            See the connection?

          • Jana

            NOPE!!!

          • Jana

            So you voted for Obama twice ha!

          • Don 2

            Lurch, you mean the guy from the Adam’s Family who married Teresa Heinz?

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Rich Teresa. Veeeeery RICH.

          • Robert Messmer

            Hmm you missed a couple of cowards–Clinton, Obama both come to mind.

    • TIME

      Dear Liz,
      Please explain just why you don’t like Assad?
      Do you know him?
      Have you had any experiences with him on a personal level?
      Do you live in Syria?
      Thank You in advance for what I am sure will be a well presented case on the questions I have asked.
      Peace and Love

      • Jana

        Assad supports Iran, and Iran has not proven to be a friend of the US in any way.

        Evidently you do like Assad. Would you give your reasons for liking him? I am willing to learn here.

        • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

          Hi Jana. It’s good to see you back.
          I hope you and yours are OK.

          • Jana

            Thanks Alondra,

            I am doing better. Had major hand surgery on my hand (got it caught in a stupid door and it messed up my hand royally.) Still doing physical therapy but I can now type again. Hooray.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Sorry to hear that. Best wishes to you and my prayers for the faster and complete healing.

          • Jana

            Thank you.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Sorry to hear that, Jana (the incident, not the recovery).

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          It doesn’t matter whether we like him or not. It is not our country to meddle with.

          • Jana

            I agree DaveH, and think we should even stop sending them money. We are paying our enemies.

        • JeffH

          Jana, just an FYI – TIME never said he liked Assad.

          Everything we think we know and how our opinions are formed about Assad is passed to us from either the MSM or the government.

          I think the point that TIME was making is “who can you trust” anymore?

          I’m not saying I trust or believe that Assad is a good leader…I’m just sayin’…is this all more propaganda to solidify support for a military response by the US?

          Good to have you back Jana!

          • Jana

            You are so right. We certainly can’t trust the media.
            Good to be back.

          • nc

            Jana, where do you get your unbiased news if not from the “media”? Would you care to list the names and guarantee their unbiased reporting on all matters! Plus how you know that each reporter has no agenda if you were not present for the event being reported. Your list??

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Intelligent people read as much as they can and then sort out that which doesn’t make sense. Like most of what you say, Shill Dave.

          • JeffH

            BINGO!

        • Robert Messmer

          Jana you are right that Iran has not proven to be a friend of the US but do you know why? Because of meddling and regime change due to the CIA. Had we restrained the CIA to their only moral purpose, ie gathering intelligence data for our government, we would probably be on a lot friendly terms-not only with Iran but with many more nations.

      • Liz

        The tactics his government uses for protection, using human shields for one, this does not deserve a round of applause. But he is better than the group that might take his place. As far as living there, I don’t live in Detroit but I know it is bankrupt, I don’t live in Chicago and I know the murder rate is one of the highest in the Nation. Syria and other Middle Eastern Countries did not seem in so much turmoil until the Muslim Brotherhood (the mother and father of Al Qaida) started it’s open aggression with no apparent opposition. Almost like when the world no longer saw the USA as a peace keeping threat after O’Bama went around apologizing for America, they felt they could move forward unencumbered. Could also be seen as a way to eliminate Israel without having to actually do it, we attack Syria and everyone else attacks Israel in retaliation. I realize quite a few will not agree but so far we all have a right to our opinions.

        • TIME

          Dear Liz,
          The Muslim Brotherhood has little to no relation to Al Qaida, as a matter of fact the noted Al Qaida is known as the “LIST” that’s what the word means, oddly its also the CIA,
          Now as to Assad, what you think you know is again based on what?
          Oh yes, the criminal mass media as well the Criminals from the Criminal City State known as the District of Columbia.
          Now tell me have you ever been to Damascus?
          I have and it was one of the most beautiful places I have ever been in the world, and yes, I have been all over this planet.
          The people of Syria love Mr. Assad, that includes Christians, Jew’s and Muslims – can any of you say that about our leaders in this criminal nation, the home of the New World Order, the land of the One World Government project?
          As to opinions when they are based on false information they are of no value other than to inflame.
          Oddly – is that not what the mass media dose daily, inflame the population with overt as well covert lies, and distortions?
          Peace and Love

          • Merle Dickey

            sound like you should move if it is so beautiful

        • KG

          Remember, the MB came under the Kirkpatrick Doctrine. They were the ‘anti-communists’ in Egypt as well as Syria when they were united under the old Arab Republic. So what you are saying is Al Qaida was actually created by Ronald Reagan?

          Now the ‘vast Right Wing Conspiracy’ comes to light.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        But you see even if you were O’s or Assad’s pillow buddy and they whispered all their dreams and plans into your ear you and your comments have nothing that can be trusted. So your questions and suppositions are worthless as well.

  • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

    It’s just amazing how people reacting to the “”swiftboat” johnny kerry’s lies.

    Article was posted just two hours ago and it already has 555 comments.
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/aug/30/john-kerry-syrian-regime-killed-1429-people-chemic/

    • Dave

      Seeing that the swiftboaters are proven liars…and the Washington Times is a conseravtive newspaper… Your post is lamer that your usual crap.

      • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

        Thank you Dave. But anyway I love you, even you are a stupidly liberal man.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          He’s a Shill.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Shill needs love too. Don’t you agree?

          • JeffH

            Tough love.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            The TRUE love – Agape (unconditional) – is always unconditional and self-sacrificed – so it is tough Love.
            Because the self-sacrifice is always tough.

            1 Corinthians 13 (English Standard Version)
            4 Love is patient and kind;
            Love does not envy or boas
            ;
            it is not arrogant or rude.
            5 It does not insist on its own way;
            it is not irritable or resentful;[b]
            6 it does not rejoice at wrongdoing,
            but rejoices with the TRUTH.

            7 Love bears all things, believes all things,
            hopes all things, endures all things.
            8 Love never ends.

            The prophecies will pass away; the tongues will cease the knowledge will vanish away. But TRUE Love NEVER.

            Love is giving and not taking.
            Love says: I care about you; But I care about RTUTH too.
            Love removes all kind of fear and produces security

            “Love and Faithfulness (always) meet together” (Ps.85:10)

            This is a God’s definition of Love.
            Totally opposite to the men’s definition.

            P.S. Ask KG about his definition of Love.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        Feel Free, Shill Dave, to provide evidence for your conjecture.

        • Dave

          Gladly,

          http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0824-14.htm

          The Swift Boat Veterans looked less than swift when some of them were caught
          in previous statements praising Kerry. Retired rear admiral Roy Hoffmann a year
          ago told the Boston Globe that the actions that earned Kerry the Silver Star
          “took guts, and I admire that.” Vietnam veteran George Elliott stated at a 1996
          press conference that Kerry’s action in the same incident was “an act of
          courage.” Another veteran, Adrian Lonsdale, stated at that same press conference
          that Kerry “was among the finest of those swift boat drivers.”

          Larry Thurlow, one of the people who claim in the ads that John Kerry’s
          Bronze Star citation was “totally fabricated,” had his story totally blown out
          of the water.

          The Washington Post used the Freedom of Information Act to get military
          records that showed Thurlow’s claim that he “never heard a shot” near Kerry’s
          boat is contradicted in the citation for the Bronze Star he (Thurlow) received
          for the same incident.

          Kerry got his award for bravery for rescuing, while under enemy fire, a
          boatmate, James Rassmann, who had fallen into the Bay Hap River. Thurlow was in
          a nearby boat and his Bronze Star citation notes that the boats involved in the
          engagement, including Kerry’s, were under “enemy small arms and automatic
          weapons fire.”

          Thurlow refused to release his service records because of fears “the Kerry
          campaign would discredit him.” He’s done that pretty well on his own. John
          Kerry’s official military records are posted on his Web site at
          http://www.johnkerry.com.

          The commander of the swift boat alongside John Kerry in another skirmish has
          broken a 35-year silence to speak out against the GOP-inspired lies. William
          Rood, now an editor at the Chicago Tribune, was the officer in charge of a boat
          carrying two of the crewmen who are now in the ads attacking Kerry. In a
          first-person account in the Tribune, Rood set the record straight.

          “There were three swift boats on the river that day in Vietnam … three
          officers and 15 crew members,” Rood wrote. “Only two of those officers remain to
          talk about what happened. … One is John Kerry … who won a Silver Star for
          what happened. … I am the other.”

          Rood praised Kerry’s skill in charging at the enemy ambushers while under
          fire. “It’s gotten harder and harder for those of us who were there to listen to
          accounts we know to be untrue, especially when they come from people who were
          not there,” Rood wrote, adding that the task force commander Roy Hoffmann, who
          is now a Kerry critic, at the time praised all three boat crews for their
          performance.

          A New York Times investigation examined the genesis and development of the
          ads, uncovering “a web of connections to the Bush family, high-profile Texas
          political figures and President Bush’s chief political aide, Karl Rove.”

          http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A13267-2004Aug18.html
          The whole Swiftboat lie was put forth with the blessings of two ultra-cowards… George W bush and Dick Cheney.

          • Dave

            Your serve Davey….

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Naw, all I have is Crow Pie, and you’ve eaten enough already.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Frankly, I couldn’t care less. I only asked, Shill Dave, because I know you have low creds.
            I did find this for those people who would like to investigate:
            http://www.amazon.com/To-Set-The-Record-Straight/dp/0979984106/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1377901058&sr=8-2&keywords=to+set+the+record+straight

          • Dave

            Unlike you and your wonderful credibility with the unproven and un-accredited Von Mises that you can’t even explain in your own words DaveH? LOL

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Do you really think you fool anybody, Shill Dave? I could beat you in any kind of mental contest that isn’t contingent on lying. You would win the latter hands down.

          • Dave

            LOL… go ahead flail on… You just got beaten at your own game DaveH.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Yes, Shill Dave, you beat me at lying and slandering. I wouldn’t even try to out-compete you in those areas.

          • JeffH

            “Every time the term Swiftboating is used to describe incorrect criticism I wince. To this date, not one statement made by the Vietnam veterans who went on record with their recollections about John Kerry has been factually disputed. To those who think they already know everything about this subject, Scott Swett and Tim Ziegler have the answer. “Not so fast!” This book, To Set the Record Straight, presents not only further revelations about the Vietnam era and its repercussions, but also an examination of the media’s attempts to influence the election by suppressing the original dissemination of information by these men who felt called to duty in a new way. The book is compelling reading. It is well documented. It contains chilling facts regarding collusion with the North Vietnamese. Read it for yourself and wonder why those who have served with honor have been relegated to an inferior position to John Kerry, the man who still has not released his military records.”
            – Kitty Crouch

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I don’t doubt that a bit, JeffH. If the Leaders and their Propaganda Media say one thing, we can bet it’s the opposite.

      • Jana

        WRONG!!!

  • Bob in Florida

    I’m about as close to a “Warmonger” as you’d care to meet! But, when it involves our national security!

    These nearly continual ‘actions’ in the Middle East take a long stretch of imagination to see how they could possibly be a threat to the U.S.! Why the hell do our politicians think we need to be the world’s policemen?

    If it doesn’t involve us (Directly!) keep the hell out of these interminable squabbles amongst Arab Tribesmen. Support those who have ‘proven’ themselves to be our friends, in the past – when they request our support – and, other than that, keep our noses out of ‘their’ problems.

    We have enough problems here at home that demand our available resources. We certainly don’t need to be pretending that we know how to solve everyone else’s problems.

  • Gentile Giant

    Google “Jews in the Obama administration.” All the heads of all his departments are Jews. What an interesting quandry for the Muslim kenyan. Made by jews (who own and control the media, google that too), controlled by jews in his administration, and now ordered into another mideast conflict under the guise of “chemical” weapons, our little yiddish uncle tom will have no choice but to send our young people to once again defend ” US interests” in the middle east. No wonder we are never really allowed oil independence. How else would the Zionists get us to protect their homeland? I got a better idea you creepy socialist: instead of boots on the ground, how ’bout yamakas (or however they spell it) on the ground? Its their homeland….conscript the jews.

    • Fay Guht

      You, as Ralph Kramden says, you are a nut! I suppose you believe in TheProtocols of the Wise Men of Zion, too?! Shees!

      • ridge runner

        The Idoit is just a giant nut of a socialist Democrat of a union fetching up degree.Obozo administration has several socialist leaning communist on in breifings, as well as muslim perverts with ties to the Muslim Brotherhood, since one of his many half brother crossbreeds are in the Muslim Brotherhood power group. Think any of the knee padded media will check that out, or the murder of a WW2 vet by some of the same mindset black thugs, that should be out in cotton patches for decades, instead of breeding like rats, for taxpayers to support. non stop. If we are getting into a war, hit the goat abusing pervs drop the idea of everyone becoming a rug scrubbing pedophile moon god worshipper.

    • nc

      Gentile, if it was Obama’s intention to use our troops to protect “our interest” in the middle east in the interest of the Jews why would he have pulled our troops already there out of Iraq and start a draw down in Afgha
      nistan? Have you been paying attention? it is evident how you feel about Jews! How do you feel about blacks??
      Obama’s quandary is that regardless of his actions some conservatives are not going to be satisfied! Maybe all of them but his oath was not to please conservatives but to protect our country and our interest abroad!
      So far he has done that quite well compared to past administrations!
      No Muslims, Russians or Chinese soldiers at my door! AND no US troops either! But they are coming just as sure as Obama declared himself a dictator and called off the 2012 elections!! That did happened didn’t it?? NO?? but they were so sure it would!!!!!!! whahoppened????

      • Gentile Giant

        Hello. You know how I “feel” about jews, you say. Well, first of allIs not how I feel about it. Its how I think about it. Did you google the jews in the Obama administration? How about the jew John Kerry? You can find him on the site Jew or Not Jew. All presidential administrations are loaded with them. Do the math. With fracking, etc, the US easily can be energy independent NOW. In fact, we are exporting oil and natural gas overseas as we speak yet lied to about this. Why? We need to be involved in the middle east to protect Israel. I’m not opposed to this. After all, these are the same folks who bring us our quality food, quality, artistic, spirit lifting media (google jews in hollywood for a complete list) and the Federal Reserve. I am simply saying, “ITS YOUR HOMELAND, LEAVE YOUR LAW OFFICES, YOUR HOLLYWOOD MANSIONS, YOUR NEW YORK PENTHOUSES AND SADDLE UP YOUR YOUNG AND FIGHT YOUR OWN WAR.” I am actually for them, FOR THEMSELVES. I wish them well against the muslim world and look forward to seeing them fight, on their own, for their own i nterests. May their god protect them.

        • Rabbuy Sclomkey

          I suppose you read about all of this on the site jew watch. You need to get a life. The jews are the true international personality. They can and have moved in and through every society since the beginning of time. Our loyalty is to ourselves first. Jew, first. American, secon….maybe.

          • Charlie

            RS ,,, can you define the 4 types of “Jews” pointed out in The Holy Bible ???

          • Rabbuy Sclomkey

            Hello Charlie. I can define them: parasites. Thank you.

          • KG

            I thought Jews were people who practiced Judaism? Unless you are trying to put a ‘racial’ definition? What would G-d say about that?

            Numbers 12

            King James Version (KJV)

            12 And Miriam and Aaron spake against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married: for he had married an Ethiopian woman.

            2 And they said, Hath the Lord indeed spoken only by Moses? hath he not spoken also by us? And the Lord heard it.

            3 (Now the man Moses was very meek, above all the men which were upon the face of the earth.)

            4 And the Lord spake suddenly unto Moses, and unto Aaron, and unto Miriam, Come out ye three unto the tabernacle of the congregation. And they three came out….

            9 And the anger of the Lord was kindled against them; and he departed.

            10 And the cloud departed from off the tabernacle; and, behold, Miriam became leprous, white as snow: and Aaron looked upon Miriam, and, behold, she was leprous.

            It would seem that G-d is a ni##er-lover.

            Are you?

          • Charlie

            KG ,,, can you prove WITH scriptures that Moses was married to a Negro woman ??? Miriam and Aaron were caught in “gross disrespect” to God’s appointed “Leaders” … Your write indicates you are “Normally” brainwashed by the Jew day Ohs … What “Jews” did King Jesus Christ point out at John 8:30–59???
            There are 4 types of Jews pointed out in The Bible:::
            1. bloodline 2. Geographical 3. Religious 4. Edomites …

      • Robert Messmer

        Obama’s quandary is that he had no right-legal, moral, or whatever-to draw the “red line in the sand”. But since he was not too busy apologizing for the United States’ existence, he went and shot his mouth off. Because of that chemical weapons were used just as “Gun Free Zone” encourages criminals. The administration didn’t bother waiting for evidence before claiming that it was Assad who used the weapons. I remember when our navy ship was attacked in Yemen that the then current President, instead of reacting to a clear act of war, instead sent the FBI in to investigate. Indeed this very same President failed to react to an act of war when our Ambassador was slaughtered in Benghazi. But now, when neither we nor any legitimate US interest has been attacked or even threatened, now he wants to attack.

        • Charlie

          Well ? what do you expect from a Chicago crossbreed that was put into the WH by The International Bankers ??

      • Rabbuy Schlomkey

        Hello, NC. I see how you run away from reason. Its not how I feel, I believe its how all americans should think. What role do we have in protecting Israel? None. Our job is to protect our own people and to encourage freedom. How is that best accomplished? Trade. Trade is what toppled the eastern block nations. Television was beamed across the iron curtain and those citizens said to hell with collectivism we want a house, a car, etc. How to handle the middle east? Same way. Present them with options and then show them how trade will help them achieve this. Much better than sending jew envoy Henry kissenger in to prop up a fascist dictator and allowing his appointee to butchet millions while we look the other way. No sir, NC, let the jews fight for themselves. Let THEM DIE for their own cause. Am I against the m? No. Its just this isn’t our fight. As obtuse as you are, I would shed many tears if one of your children died in a war over Israel. Let the jews die for their own cause. Please reconsider your zeal over this issue before the muslim kenyan is ordered to send your loved ones to die for those so advising. This is not americas fight.

      • Goobir Pahil

        NC: military actions these days involve despoiling an area and SPENDING MONEY. In answer to your question, Iraq was a fake war…….the younger monkey, G W Bush, showing up the dominant monkey, daddy Bush, who didn’t get the job done. You ought to read War is a Rackett by General Smedley Butler. (Its on line) In the 20’s he was saying wars are fought to make and spend money. Then of course was Eisenhauers speech about the Military Industrial Complex. Afghanistan is a case in point as well. Explain to everyone why you think we continually support Israel. God? Freedom? It makes no sense. And why has america lost every way since ww2? And don’t tell me you believe the peace with honor bulloney. Tell that to a parent of a dead child. No sir, NC. We are all accountable for taking a stand against forces which unjustly kill the innocent. Please weigh your judgements carefully before, while sitting in your armchair, you are quick to spend others’ lives. The United States should stand for freedom and undrrstanding, unencumbered by manipulating special interests which seek to undermine our constitution and warp our intended leadership for the world, freedom for all peoples. And as an aside, I am not a racist…..I don’t hate groups because of their color, etc. I want to trade and learn from them as well……I dont want to send your, or anyone else’s child to some fake war. In order to understand this I, and everyone has to identify this. Please think a little before you fling lives around while waving a flag. Eventually it will be someone close to you you may weep over. Think, then feel, then respond. Not feel, then respond.

      • Uneducated votir

        To NC…….I am not following the intricacies of this back and forth but I can tell you this: any time a politician makes an appeal in a speech, they preface an idea with “I feel…….rather than “I think…… Try this with someone: ask them to give you their opinion each way. First, “I feel….. Then, “I think….. There is a difference. One is emotional, touchy, feely. The other, derived in reason. Dont buy it. Feelings are largely subjective. Thinking, Objective. Feelings, can be felt from childhood, moods, etc. Think ng……deduced from logic and debatable. Dont feel until you’ve thought. Then your feeling will be right.

      • Merle Dickey

        nc sadly. you are one of his brainwashed followers

      • native blood

        Israel has never had to fight for their independence without US involvement or rescue. We can’t afford to rescue them anymore and besides, they are economically stronger than we and per capita, their defense is stronger than ours and they DO secure their borders. Leave them alone to secure their own sovereignty.

  • Fay Guht

    O’Reilly is quoted in your article. The last time this boob was quoted with any authority was when a large field of possible presidential candidates, O’Reilly early on started pushing Romney. And of course, all of his brainless viewers went right along with him and they lost the election. My advice to this fool is to simply report the news. He’s reasonably good at this. Keep your opinions to yourself. Sure, it’s okay for this elitist pig to pontificate over moral issues WHEN YOUR CHILDRENS LIVES ARE AT STAKE. Mr O’Reilly, get back to reporting the news and kerp your views to yourself. They are costing your viewers and supporters too much blood.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Terrible, awful article! You have to have precedent in order to compare to another. This stupid, illegal, senseless war stands alone, on its own and disdain for it should too.

    You can’t compare this to any past war or UN police action. There’s never been one like this where a power drunk dictatorial leader of the US has shot off his mouth, wrote checks he thought he could cash with a nation of a*ses.

    Don’t compare him to Nixon, either Bush or Reagan. None of these men have done anything to deserve that level of disrespect that distinguishes this pResident from any other, in our 2.3 century history.

  • Huzzah

    I said it once, said it twice, will say it again, Chip Wood is basically a coward who loved w’s wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. But since it is Obama, and surley because Obama is African-American, Chip Wood like Rush Limbaugh, hate the man who IS president. Both are cowards first-class who let the real Americans fight these wars.