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Another California Court Rules Against Military Gay Ban

September 13, 2010 by  

Another California court rules against military gay ban In the most recent challenge to the "don’t ask, don’t tell" policy, a Federal judge in Riverside, California confirmed an earlier ruling from a San Francisco court that the act violates the Fifth and First Amendments to the United States Constitution and should not be enforced.

"The sweeping reach of the restrictions on speech in the "don’t ask, don’t tell" act is far broader than is reasonably necessary to protect the substantial government interest at stake here," said U.S. District Judge Virginia Phillips, quoted by CNN.

The suit was formally filed against the Federal government. As such, the government is expected to ask for an injunction to prevent it from going into effect as appeals continue. Depending on the outcome, the next step will be to hear the case again in the 9th Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals and, possibly, in the Supreme Court, the news provider reports.

Among the opponents of the ruling, Family Research Council President and Marine veteran Tony Perkins said this was a decision for Congress to make, and added that "once again, homosexual activists have found a judicial activist who will aid in the advancement of their agenda."ADNFCR-1961-ID-19938594-ADNFCR

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  • dan az

    If this is what they want then give them the front lines in pink uniforms and daisies on their helmets.when ever they want boots on the ground then let the high heels take the lead.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      dan az,
      Why does it not surprise me that it was a judge from Cali.?????

      • dan az

        Joe
        He’s from sanfranthisco what else is there?

        • s c

          Dan az, if I was in a tacky mood, I’d say the name of that California ‘judge’ is RithaRony, the Thanfranthithco Treat.’ But I’m not, so I won’t.
          For me, it’s enough to know that insanity can be predictable, especially when progressives and other assorted retards need an activist judge so they can try and further contaminate and destroy the Constitution. This is what they do, folks.

          • DavidL

            SC,
            “…further contaminate and destroy the Constitution.”??????

            “…No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive ANY PERSON (emphasis added)…equal protection of the laws.” Amendment 14.

            Now you may not want to accept the fact that gays in our country are citizens, and are therefore entitled to all the rights and privileges that you and I enjoy. But how do YOU get around them not being “persons” as described in the Constitutional language quoted above?

          • dan az

            Thanks sc I needed that!

          • Robert Smith

            From s c: >>>so they can try and further contaminate and destroy the Constitution. <<<

            And just what in the Constitution is against gays in the military?

            On the contrary I suspect that equality under law would offer them the same opportunities as anyone else is what is Constitutional.

            Rob

          • ALWAYS RIGHT

            Its unfair to “retards” to call this guy a “retard”. “Reatards” can be reasoned with. Gliberal judges can’t. They think burning korans puts our troops at risk. Wait ’til the islamofascists find out that their “allies” include a bunch of rump-riders. Wait ’til the REAL men and women start quitting the military in droves to keep from being subjected to the sexual harassment which will undoubtedly occur, as the rump-riders & muffin-munchers find themselves surrounded by the finest men an women America has in her inventory. This is a disaster in the making just to pander to the perverse and wholly reversible chosen perverse behaviors of a tiny few of a tiny few who actually WILL serve. TGFFF (Thank God For “Friendly Fire”)

          • Robert Smith

            Guess what!

            It wasn’t a “liberal” who came up and pointed out the risks to our troops with a moslum book barbique.

            It was Bush’s choice: General David Petraeus, commander of U.S. forces in Afghanistan

            BTW, why haven’t American troops made it dangerous for terrorists when the home village of those creeps burns an American flag or bible? They sure are quick to pick on them there “liberals” who are most often teenagers or college students but when it comes to adults they just don’t seem to want to go after ‘em.

            Oh… Wasn’t it the right wingers who wanted to make that type of demonstration illegal? They even tried to get an ammendment that would punish (dumb… I don’t think it’s proper) Americans for there right of free speech.

            But whne it comes to creeps over there who are burning our flag and want to kill us or be killed, I think we should obloge a few of them.

            Rob

    • Robert Smith

      dan az says: >>>If this is what they want then give them the front lines in pink uniforms and daisies on their helmets.when ever they want boots on the ground then let the high heels take the lead.<<<

      In fact it's impossible to tell who gays are much of the time. The stereotype you portray is simply false and sounds a little homofobic to me. What are you afraid of, dan? The Israli army allows gays. In fact it's pretty much ALL young men and women are EXPECTED to participate in some way with the military. They are one of the toughest armies in the world with gays and women in their ranks.

      It's tough for me to imagine that our army here in America, one of the toughest, best trained, best equipped armies in the world, would have any issues at all. We want the very best men and women, and we can have them. gays are just as smart, tough, and brave as anyone else.

      I think it's totally false that our tough men and women would go into a shower, get lathered up, and then go into a panic just because someone who is gay might see their pee pee or whatever. Do you really believe that America's sons or daughters will really run from the shower because a gay enters?

      I'm a heterosexual male and there have been in circumstances where female staffers indicated that a date with me would be fun. I simply said no because it isn't a good idea to date at work. Remember? "Just say no." "Just say no" didn't come from the far left. Our military personell don't have to accept a date offer with a gay person if they don't want to. Do you think our military folks are too dumb to do that?

      It's a huge insult to our intelligent fighting military who are fighting to assure that we are all treated equally under law that some bigoted religious nuts get to decide who they fight with.

      Rob

      Rob

      • Homer

        Bob have you ever served in the military? You act as if you have not! Let me tell you sir, I preceive that maybe you may be a little on the queer side due to your support of this garbage w/Homo’s in the military! TRUTH is sir, they do manifest themselves in the military, YES…THEY Do! People of that queer nature do make themselves known; that is thru sessions of sodomy in life jacket lockers and sleeping in vacant staterooms and love relationship spats. I even witnessed a killing on board ship. People do KNOW these men and woman, so if you have never been in the military or just won’t acknowledge this then I suggest you “SHUT UP” till you do! This sort of behavior lessons the commaraderie and bonding among troops that is needed to form a TEAM of elite fighters and troops. There is none of that w/a queer amongst these people! I KNOW, SIR, I sopent 30 years in the U.S. Navy, I saw the queer Ensign and the Queer Lt and the queer Seman oh yeah, I speak from experience. That Ensign said to me some remarks I would have beat the hell out of him had i been in civilian cloths! So join the military and see, them comment!

        • s c

          First, Homer, thanks for your service. Second, thanks for putting people like DL (above) in their place. Anyone who hasn’t been in the military is a theoretician who lives in a glass bubble. It may be ‘comfy,’ but it’s not reality. And, sooner or later, someone will shatter that bubble.
          My earlier comment was aimed at that half-baked ‘judge.’ People like DL will never understand. He lives in a pc world where der fuhrer must be obeyed at all times. PC is a dual form of stupidity and insanity. I choose not to be swayed by those who gladly ‘bend over’ and accept that form of insane, airhead “enlightenment.”

        • Robert Smith

          Hi Homer,

          Yup, I was in the USN for four years as a PH. Joined the Navy because I was drafted and didn’t want to get shot at. After A school I was at NPC near D.C. for awhile and then went with VS-31 on the Intrepid for several cruises out of Quanset Point.

          I ran into a few gay bashers during my time and I always thought that they were denying their own issues. Anyway I stayed away from them, not because I was worried or gay myself, but because they were so darn unpleasent to be around. IMO Some lifers were just so screwed up they wouldn’t have made it in the civilian world.

          On the other hand the few gays I did meet were very professional and respectful of others.

          Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            No you didn’t. Just another lib trying to pass themselves off as a patriot!

        • Robert Smith

          Hey Homer,

          Did you hear about the gay whale that bit the end of one of our subs? It sucked all the seamen out.

          Rob

          • 45caliber

            Boy, talk about a gay joke! And a poor one at that!

          • coal miner

            Hey Robert,

            Thats a good one.

          • http://naver samurai

            That’s an old one. About as old as your breath!

          • Robert Smith

            Yes, the Dead Sea was only sick when I first heard it.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            That makes no sense.

        • 45caliber

          Homer, I agree. The reason the military prefers the “don’t ask, don’t tell” is that if a gay person becomes too much of a problem, they can get rid of them. If they cause no trouble, then they are accepted.

          Yes, Like RS, I’ve been propositioned by women – but when I say no, that’s the end of it. With many gays, that isn’t the end; they constantly harrass you everywhere you go. They insist that because you say no you are a threat to them. Those type (and they certainly don’t make up the majority of gay people) are the type that the military wants to insure don’t get in the military and cause problems. The military has too many problems already; they want to avoid as many other problems as possible.

          • Robert Smith

            45caliber says: >>>With many gays, that isn’t the end; they constantly harrass you everywhere you go. <<<

            There are heterosexual stalkers too. It's an ongoing complaint women in the military have.

            Rob

          • Robert Smith

            45 says: >>> if a gay person becomes too much of a problem, they can get rid of them.<<<

            And what about a KKK bigot who is threatening blacks?

            What about the guys who go home and beat up the little woman just because he got a little drunk?

            What about the ones who kill someone because they were driving drunk?

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Sorry tob, but these groups have nothing to do with the gays. Please try to stick to the subject at hand.

          • Robert Smith

            Ah samurai… I see you are only looking for excuses to bash gays and other bad folks escape your attention. Sure looks bigoted to me, but hey… That appears to be what floats your boat.

            Did you know that when a homophobic is approached by a gay person and they become so indignant that it may be because they really do want to go off with them? They are afraid they can’t just say no.

            Homophobia
            From Wikipedia
            >>>Homophobia is a range of negative attitudes and feelings towards lesbian, gay, bisexual, queer, and in some cases transgender and intersex people. Definitions refer variably to antipathy, contempt, prejudice, aversion, and irrational fear.[1][2][3]. Homophobia is observable in critical and hostile behavior such as discrimination[1][2] and violence on the basis of a perceived non-heterosexual orientation. In a 1998 address, author, activist, and civil rights leader Coretta Scott King stated that “Homophobia is like racism and anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry in that it seeks to dehumanize a large group of people, to deny their humanity, their dignity and personhood.”[4]

            Among more discussed forms are institutionalized homophobia (e.g. religious and state-sponsored[5]), lesbophobia – the intersection of homophobia and sexism directed against lesbians, and internalized homophobia – a form of homophobia among people who experience same-sex attraction regardless of whether or not they identify as LGBT.<<<

            Sound familiar?

            Rob

            Rob

      • Nellie, CA

        Good Morning! The reason the Gay community is not responding too the Christians is “JUST LIKE YOU SAID IT” THEY ARE NOT CHRISTIANS IN THE WAY JESUS WANTS THEM TOO BE.
        I AM A CHRISTIAN AND I HAVE A FEW GAY MEN IN MY LIFE. THEY ARE JUST AS GOD LOVING AND MORE THAN SOME “SO CALLED CHRISTIANS”. MAYBE IT WAS THE WAY I WAS RAISED! LOVE EVERYONE! LET GOD DO HIS WORK WITHIN THE GAY COMMUNITY!
        I DON’T THINK ANYONE IN THE MILITARY SHOULD HAVE TOO TELL ANYONE THEY ARE GAY ANY MORE THAN THEY SHOULD TELL IF THEY ARE OF ANY RELIGIOUS PARTY. LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR! LET GOD TAKE CARE OF THE WORLD!

        • Robert Smith

          Hi Nelli, CA,

          >>>LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR! LET GOD TAKE CARE OF THE WORLD!<<<

          Thank you.

          If the christian god gave them free will who are those who want to take it away? BTW, that's not the same as not having laws, but in the context of making personal decisions.

          Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Don’t forget that being gay is punishable with fire and brimstone. Just like all the lies you’re telling us here. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • 45caliber

          Nellie, CA:

          Jesus said to “love your neighbor as yourself.” But he said it with a word that meant brotherly love, not sexual love. Too many people seem to mix the two types.

          But the Bible says that God makes the laws and Jesus will be the judge. I hardly think that Jesus is going to forgive every sin you commit during your life UNLESS you become his. And when you do become his, he said, “Go and sin no more.”

          Perhaps I am wrong, but if you do continue to deliberately sin after becoming his, you are turning away from him. And I believe he is not going to forgive that. Your choice.

          You sound as if you are a good Christian. But many of those you try to love aren’t and need a good Christian to lead a good Christian life as an example and they need a good Christian to show them the way. Trying to make laws to shut you up and force you to accept them as voluntary sinners is the wrong way to solve the problem.

          • Robert Smith

            From 45caliber: >>>But the Bible says that God makes the laws and Jesus will be the judge.<<<

            Is that some of that multiple personality stuff? Father, son, holey ghost, etc.?

            Sure must be complicated with a tripple god. Sure it ain't just three gods?

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Be carefull rob, your atheism is showing. You are NO patriot, so go peddle your load of crap somewhere else. We are not buying. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Robert Smith

          From samurai: >>>Don’t forget that being gay is punishable with fire and brimstone.<<<

          If you were gay you may believe that fire and brimstone stuff. I'll accept that you believe that is absolutely true for yourself as a representative of a particularly hateful branch of christians.

          However, for the rest of the world it just ain't so because they don't subscribe to your silly tales.

          IOW, rant on, but it's for yourself. I don't care.

          Rob

      • ALWAYS RIGHT

        You’re wrong on so many counts. It isn’t the idea of a “gay” “seeing their pee pee in the shower”. It is a problem with the homo GRABBING their pee pee in the shower. Here’s the problem with your “thinking”.
        Straights (real men and women) don’t want to be sexually harassed, and they will be. If homos could control their behaviors they’d chosse to NOT be homos. Many do, thereby leaving the ranks of those demanding special treatment.
        Those who choose to remain homos absolutely MUST try and recruit others to their lifestyle lest they become extinct, since they don’t reproduce any other way.
        If homos could control their behaviors they’d not account for 62% of the AIDS cases and about the same percentage of Syphyllis and Gonhorrea, along with Hep B-D, cases.
        That 2% would not account for 30-some % of the child molestation cases, but they do.
        They’d just go into the military and keep their pie-holes shut and serve with honor, like the rest of us, but they don’t. They demand the right to misbehave and ask for offical authority to do so.
        Their behavior is pathological, as, per CDC, it shortens their lives by an average of 20 years. Who needs this demoralizing effect among our best and brightest men and women who DO serve with dignity and honor.

        • Robert Smith

          From ALWAYS RIGHT: >>> It is a problem with the homo GRABBING their pee pee in the shower<<<

          ROFL… And the rest of the company won't beat the crap out of someone who does such a thing????? All those big tough military guys and you think one gay person can assault another guy?

          I imagine that if one of those heterosexual guys grabbed one of the girls out on the field or while on watch one night that you would just stand around, maybe even grin, because it's a heterosexual assault.

          Rob

        • Robert Smith

          From ALWAYS RIGHT: >>> If homos could control their behaviors they’d chosse to NOT be homos. <<<

          Ohhhhhhhh, ALWAYS RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!! Have you forgotten 2006 when· Dick Cheney's Gay Daughter was pregnant? Mary Cheney, daughter of Vice President Dick Cheney and wife Lynne, and her longtime lesbian partner were expecting a child. She wasn't married. Is it a MIRRICLE! Was it a divine pregnancy?

          Do you really believe that if Mary Cheney could be straight that she would?

          http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5817720/: “Lynne and I have a gay daughter, so it’s an issue our family is very familiar with,” Cheney told an audience that included his daughter. “With the respect to the question of relationships, my general view is freedom means freedom for everyone. … People ought to be free to enter into any kind of relationship they want to.

          Do you think Cher is hot!? I do but her daughter Chastity is now Chas. Sonny Bono was kinda on the right. My, my… What did Sonny & Cher do wrong? Certainly Chastity had a choice (not).

          Oh! And there's more! Remember Alan and Maya Keyes? In 2004, Alan ran for an open senate seat in my home state of Illinois, and was soundly thrashed by a guy named Barack Obama. BTW, that seat was open because the Republican Jack Ryan (husband of Jeri Ryan ex-Borg Seven of Nine on Star Trek: Voyager). Seems Jack wanted to pimp his wife out at sex clubs so he could have a little variety. She hated that and divorced him, the right wing Republican.

          Anyhow, during the campaign, not long after Alan stated publicly that all homosexuals were guilty of "selfish hedonism," his daughter held a press conference to come out against her father's politics, and come out of the closet. Oh my the poo poo hit the rotary impeller.

          Her father did his version of the christian thing and immediately disowned her, leaving her unemployed and homeless.

          Do you think that if she had a choice about her sexuality that she would have been straight?

          Rob

    • CJM

      danaz: If you care to read history, you will find that there were homosexuals throughout the centuries that have made tremendous contributions to humankind. Just because one has a preference that you disagree with, does not make that individual less in stature than you. You do have the right to say no, you do have the right to not participate in any activity you do not like. Why is this so difficult for you to understand? Because you have no idea what homosexuality is. Let me tell you something, brother, there are many who are physicians, nurses, teachers, law enforcement officers, generals,and on and on–yet the world hasn’t stopped on a dime, now has it? Quite frankly, it isn’t anyone’s business to know whether or not one is “gay or straight,” but no one should have to be forced to live life in secrecy either. Not only should the “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy be reduced to rubble, it shouldn’t even be asked in the first place. If it comes out that a person has a different perspective on sexuality, it should be suffient to politely decline if one is not predisposed to that particular lifestyle. Now, I ask you, do you like certain fruits and do you have a favorite? Well, if apples are your favorite, is that grounds enough to refer to you as a “Mama’s Boy” and therefore you should wear pink undies and be declared unfit for military duty???? After all, you just might disturb others because you have a need to call home at least once a week just to talk to mama and, heaven forbid, that just might cause the troops to fall into chaos on the battlefield. Think about it man–what makes you so special??

      • 45caliber

        CJM:
        And there were a lot more straight people who were also famous and contributed to civilation. Just what does either of them have to do with this?

        You aren’t going to get people who don’t like gays to immediately change their ways by giving the gays special privileges. If anything, they are going to find a reason to justify their hate – and harm more gays as a result. As far as I’m concerned the gays should have (and mostly do have) the same privileges as non-gays with the exception of marriage – which is a religion thing that would require God to change. And I don’t think you are going to change God’s mind by making a law.

        • Robert Smith

          45caliber: >>>You aren’t going to get people who don’t like gays to immediately change their ways by giving the gays special privileges.<<<

          Clue: Gotta start someplace. With blacks in the service it was tough in the beginning but now almost nobody cares.

          Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Gays and African Americans, black is a racial term moron, are totally different. How can a different race and gays be the same? We are all born some type of race caucasian, mongoloid, or negro and can’t change that, but the gays are nothing. They are not a race, religion, or creed. Therefore, they cannot be considered a minority. How you are inside doesn’t give you minority status. Yes, African Americans did have it rough when they began entering the army in 1863, but it is different now. My platoon had soldiers that were Caucasian, African American, Hispanic, East Asian (One of my soldier’s families immigrated to America to escape the rule of the communists in China.), etc., so what is your point? I always said that in the army, everyone is green. You understand? The same no matter race, religion, etc., but now gays are different. They are an immoral lifestyle and their ways are not, and never will be, acceptable in this Christian nation. Just go home with your fellow sheeple and let the patriots speak. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            From samurai: >>>Therefore, they cannot be considered a minority. How you are inside doesn’t give you minority status.<<<

            Really? In fact there is a large body of evidence that a predisposition to homosexuality is genetic if it isn't outright causative. If it is behavioral what do you think Dick Chaney did wrong when he brought his lesbian daughter up? I'm sure that if there was a choice of any sort that he wouldn't have allowed it.

            Folks have their religion "inside" and folks are NOT allowed to be discriminated against because of their religion (with a few exceptions for on camera broadcasting).

            I'm curious samuri… You claim to be heterosexual and christian. Is there any amount of money that could get you to change either? How about threats and denied job oppertunities (like the military)? Yet those who are gay are threatened and denied in may ways. Some are even killed for nothingbut them being gay. Yet gays continue to be gay. Maybe your christian god made 'em that way and wants the to stay that way. Who are you to deny them your god's effort to give them choice? Oops, he made them so there really isn't a choice. Maybe he wants to see who will be respectful and christian to them. It's YOUR test, samuri.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            He may have made them human, but he didn’t make them gay. Being gay is a DNA thing has already been proven false by doctors and scientists. You just can’t lie that good can you? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • ALWAYS RIGHT

            Rob
            Crappy analogy. People don’t choose to be black and try as they might (outside of the Jacksons and the presidental pretender) they can never change their skin color. “Black” is genetic. Homo is not. At any time homos can stop being homos (www.narth.org http://www.pfox.org) and choosee to behave differently, just like alcoholics can choose to stop drinking. If they want something, be it a driver’s license and insurance for a habital drunk, or “to be in the military” for a habitual “abuser of men”, to borrow from the Bible, all they have to do is make different choices.

          • Robert Smith

            Awwww shucks, that bunk isn’t real.

            Check out one of the proponents of it, Robert Spitzer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Spitzer_(psychiatrist): “In 2001, Spitzer delivered a controversial paper at the 2001 annual APA meeting arguing that highly motivated individuals could successfully change their sexual orientation from homosexual to heterosexual. The APA issued an official disavowal of the paper, noting that it had not been peer reviewed and stating that “There is no published scientific evidence supporting the efficacy of reparative therapy as a treatment to change one’s sexual orientation.”[5]

            Two years later, the paper was peer reviewed and published in the Archives of Sexual Behavior.[6] The publication decision sparked controversy and one sponsoring member resigned in protest. The paper has been criticized for its sampling methods and criteria for success.”

            He seems to have avoided anything scientific in is work.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Just another contraversial paper with no real facts to back it up, typical lib rhetoric!

        • Robert Smith

          From 45caliber: >>> with the exception of marriage – which is a religion thing that would require God to change.<<<

          Nope, marriage in America is a civil thing. Even atheists can marry. A civil servent must marry anyone who whats to be married, and clergy can set their own rules about who he, or she, will marry. Pagans for example don't get "married." They get hand fasted as was seen in Mel Gibson's movie Braveheart.

          Again, in America marriage is a civil thing. It's a CONTRACT, not a religious thing.

          Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Sorry, dude! Marriage is a man and woman, who come together in the presence of God, in holy matrimony. This doesn’t sound like a contract to me, moron! Get your facts straight before you post. You said you served in the military? Take it from someone who has served 20 years, you sure don’t sound like it. I remember a past thread, you kept trying to champion the rights of baby killers, gays, illegal drugs, etc. It’s people like you that has been rotting this country, the country I’m helping to take back from Obama bin Laden, from the inside out. As goes marriage, so goes the nation. If you introduce things that are immoral and unethical, this rots away at the foundation of this country and makes us weaker. I’m also tired of certain people who always come on these threads about gays and nothing else. Robert, I think what you said about the ladies at work asking you out are lies. You sound like one of these immoral one who are living with someone who you aren’t married to. What a waste of skinn and “sperm cells.” FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            samurai yapps agin: >>>Marriage is a man and woman, who come together in the presence of God, in holy matrimony.<<<

            And for atheists at the courthouse being married by a JP? How is your god involved in that.

            What about Pagans who get handfasted in the name of a Goddess?

            How's 'bout an atheist sea captain doing a wedding on his boat?

            Clue: Marriage in America is a CIVIL contract to make sure that the government recognizes the ability for them to enter into contracts jointly. The christian god has zero to do with that.

            You claim of your god has an exclusive on marraige is just silly.

            Rob

  • john

    Vote out all these traitors to our nation and start educating your children as well from the crap heaped on them in govt. public schools where they push and promote the gay agenda,and all sorts of perverse liberal commie views.Second refuse to serve in this nations military which has become an extended arm of the U.N….just watch your next Navy tv recruitment ad and notice that they describe themselves as the global navy,also as a means of protest about what they are doing to our great armed forces..they have to cower to the gays which will bring destruction to discipline,contamination to the blood supply needed during battle and a host of other problems.The military also accomadates Mulim worship while restricting Christian worship.They are being slowly manipulated by the govt. into becoming a force that will be used against it’s own people someday..we need to pray,vote and be aware.

    • Robert Smith

      Hi John,

      Paleeze quit looking like a marter. Particularly it’s the christians who have been nasty to others and trying to get them to join THEIR religion. ENOUGH. America is for all religions.

      Here is an example:
      Cross found at Air Force Academy’s Wicca center
      The opening of the worship area at the Colorado Springs academy had been hailed as a step for religious tolerance.
      February 03, 2010|By DeeDee Correll
      Reporting from Denver — The Air Force Academy, stung several years ago by accusations of Christian bias, has built a new outdoor worship area for pagans and other practitioners of Earth-based religions.

      But its opening, heralded as a sign of a more tolerant religious climate at the academy in Colorado Springs, Colo., was marred by the discovery two weeks ago of a large wooden cross placed there.

      Check out: http://articles.latimes.com/2005/apr/20/nation/na-academy20

      Non-Christian Air Force Cadets Cite Harassment
      The academy, which has received more than 50 complaints, says it is requiring students to attend a class on religious tolerance.
      THE NATIONApril 20, 2005|David Kelly, Times Staff Writer
      DENVER — The Air Force Academy, still recovering from rape and sexual harassment scandals, is facing charges that some Christian cadets have bullied and berated Jews and students of other religious backgrounds.

      • s c

        MARTER? P l e a s e ! Hey, folks, we have a card-carrying progressive in our midst. RS, at
        least take the time to buy yourself a good dictionary (that big book that tells you what words mean and how to spell them).
        Public education sure works! Especially when you don’t take the time to correct yourself or try to better yourself. Buck up, bunky. With your credentials, you could be a highly-paid union teacher (or is the right word a teecher?). Zowie!

      • 45caliber

        Oh, my! Putting up a cross is a sign of violence among the Christians! Just like blowing yourself and a dozen others to bits as the Muslims do! Right!

        I think you need a refresher course in what is violent and what isn’t.

        • Robert Smith

          Hi 45: >>>Putting up a cross is a sign of violence among the Christians!<<<

          Actually there used to be video of a nun jamming at the eyes of someone going into a women's clinic. She was in her habbit and everything. And the language! My goodness, after many years in the USN it even turned my ears red.

          And I consider the cross burning by the KKK to be extremely inspirational for violence.

          Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Cite your source for the nun video, moron!

          • Robert Smith

            I did cite SEVERAL sources and somehow it was deleted.

            Hmmmm, I wonder… Was I censored?

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Cite them again. I hope they are not some left wing extremist video from youtube.

          • libertytrain

            Robert Smith – I don’t know how many times it’s been posted by folks, I remember Dave H being one of the first to mention it but multiple links in posts doesn’t work with the filters of most reputable sites as a rule – so they automatically get treated like spam.

          • http://naver samurai

            OMG! Guy has disappeared off of radar. Well, good riddence!

      • http://naver samurai

        Rob, why are you so far out in left field that you’re in the parking lot? First, we know you didn’t serve, so get over it. Second, the Air Force Academy only built those things because of pressure put on it by political and special interest groups. If you don’t know that, then you are just “blowing smoke”, another military saying. Please take you atheist, baby killing, gay lover self off of this site and let the really intelligent people stay. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • http://naver samurai

          I don’t know who this person who keep naming is, but you should know that there are laws against giving out personal info on the net. I suggest that you stop calling me someone else or maybe that person will have the police and immigration kick in your door. It’s just a thought of what this person may do if your not careful. If I was you, I’d really be watching my back.

          • Robert Smith

            From samurai: >>> If I was you, I’d really be watching my back.<<<

            That's real christian of you samurai. Thanks for such a fine example.

            Rob

  • J.M.R.

    PUT THEM ON THE FRONT LINE PROBLEM SOLVED

    • CJM

      JMR: You would be surprised at how many were in the front lines and died so you could remain free. But we will never know the exact number who laid their lives down for you and all the other gay-bashers because we aren’t supposed to ask or tell, are we? No I am not homosexual, but have known some over the years and find them to be quite intelligent and very professional in their line of work. People need to understand that the brains are not housed in the groin area–last I heard, the brain was located at the top and in the head. As for the constant dribble about biblical references, it is man who claims homosexuality is an abomination to the lord, not God–the “scripture” matches the writings of a sexually repressed priest (who was feeling guilty for having committed the very acts he castigated)back when the Bible was undergoing one of its “translations.” Therefore, that scripture, if you want to call it that, is a lie. Not being a follower of political correctness, I call it as I see it.

      • J.M.R.

        CJM I’M SICK AND TIRED OF THOSE A&& HOLES SHOVING THIER PREVERTED WAYS DOWN MY THROAT MARRIAGE IS ONE MAN AND ONE WOMAN NOTHING ELSE IF THAT HOW THEY LIVE THEN DON’T BRAGGEN HOW GOOD THEY ARE

        • Robert Smith

          J.M.R. declares: >>> MARRIAGE IS ONE MAN AND ONE WOMAN NOTHING ELSE IF <<<

          For you and anyone who chooses it. You can certainly have it you way, but what about "freedom" in America. Seems to me that you have yours and if you don't like it others can't get theirs.

          Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Your pulling straws with that remark!

          • http://naver samurai

            The Defense of Marriage Act is the law of the land, so get over it. One man and one woman. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • http://naver samurai

        CJM is just another lib, atheist, gay lover on this site. Pay no attention to the fool and he’ll go away. Remember, the lawa of the land is “The Defense of Marriage Act” passed during the Clinton administration. The law of the land is that marriage is between one man and one woman. Look it up sometime. That’s even the way marriage is described in the Bible as a man and a woman. What about these things do you not understand? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Robert Smith

          from samurai: >>>>the lawa of the land is “The Defense of Marriage Act” passed <<<

          And the law will be changed either thorugh more legislation or thorough the SCOTUS where the bad law taking equality away from gays is struck down.

          Just like the laws were changed that allowed blacks to marry whites.

          Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Just like Obama bin Laden care will be struck down too after November’s elections. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Robert Smith

      From J.M.R. who in my humble opinion would have opposed blacks in the military before the Red Ball Express or the Tuscege Airmen: >>>PUT THEM ON THE FRONT LINE PROBLEM SOLVED<<<

      Now there is an interesting "christian" perspective.

      Just what is so wrong with gays that you want to see them dead, J.M.R.?

      Please don't give me the fact that you are some kind of christian, etc. In America we don't have a state religion so you don't have any religious input as far as how other Americans are treated under law.

      Rob

      • J.M.R.

        READ ABOVE

      • http://naver samurai

        Actually, you’re wrong moron! Christianity has been part of our laws since this country was founded by our Christian Founding Fathers. The Defense of Marriage Act is the law of the land, so get over it. One man and one woman is what is recognized by the laws of our land. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Robert Smith

          samurai says: >>> The Defense of Marriage Act is the law of the land, so get over it.<<<

          Bad laws, like those that support slavery and other abuses, MUST be overturned by the SCOTUS.

          BTW, Roe v. Wade is the law, so get over it.

          BTW, blacks are in the military. It's the law. So, get over it.

          Divorce is the law so get over it.

          Assisted suicide in Oregon is the law so get over it.

          Medical pot is the law in a bunch of states so get over it.

          It's OK to burn a bible (although in very bad taste) so I'm wondering when some muslum will get the idea… In America it's a free speech thing, so get over it, samurai.

          Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Since the Defense of Marriage Act is the law of the land, I’m sure you’ll agree that going against the law is a crime and the person/persons responsible should be punished. Do you believe that? Then why do you support these people, who live freakish lifestyles, and say its OK to marry, though it is illegal? In Indiana it’s illegal to do this action and people have been arrested for performing such actions (marriages). Since you symathize with them and are trying to help the, maybe we should have the police come and kick your door in. Wrestle you to the ground and slap the cuffs on you. Take you to jail and stick you in a 6 x 6 cell full of your friendly neighborhood rump rangers and see how you deal with that situation. I gaurantee you’ll have more than just your eyes and mind opened. You know the old saying: “Bend over, grab your ankles, and prepare for impact!” Defense of Marriage Act is the law of the land – Get over it!
            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • 45caliber

            Rob:
            I agree. Bad laws should be repealed. Let’s start with Oblamacare and the stimulus packages. Then we can move on to elimination of some agencies that no longer try to fulfill their original use – like Education and Homeland Security. We can also eliminate all the laws that are designed to give certain minorities special privileges. And I can think of a lot more as well.

          • Robert Smith

            samurai is at it again: Since the Defense of Marriage Act is the law of the land, I’m sure you’ll agree that going against the law is a crime and the person/persons responsible should be punished.; Do you believe that? Then why do you support these people, who live freakish lifestyles, and say its OK to marry, though it is illegal?<<<

            It isn't illegal by many state laws, and it isn't illegal by many religious laws for that matter either.

            If you support state's rights then get those awful laws off the books. Get federal recognition for what the states are doing. IOW same sex couples need federal recognition for taxes, government retirement, etc.

            Rob

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Pay no attention to this ranting lib waste of skin. He’s just upset that, due to the laws of the land, he can’t be with his boyfriend. Like you said before, all bad laws need to be thrown out. How about abortion, Osamacare, cap and trade, U.N. small arms treaty, etc., can we start with these and see what happens? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Robert Smith

          samurai says: >>>Christianity has been part of our laws since this country was founded by our Christian Founding Fathers. <<<

          Since you are demanding references can you show us ANYTHING from the christian bible in our Constitution that relates to behavior?

          Rob

  • http://none Alex

    Why anyone, gay or straight, would want to sign on as a mercenary for this Evil Empire is beyond me.

    No decision by a human being requires as much deep thought and moral certitude than the taking of another human’s life. To cede this decision making to a third party is immoral, especially when it involves a made-up war of Capital like Iraq.

    Remember, our armed forces are made up of more murderers and rapists than actual heroes—no one gets to claim the name of “hero” simply by donning the uniform of oppression.

    Screw the troops….

    • Robert Wayne

      Not “screw the troops”, screw the federal govt. they’re fighting for. I wouldn’t lift a finger to protect any of these crooked politicians who make up the federal govt. nowadays, especially the left wing extremists who might as well outright admit that they hate Americans.

    • CJM

      The military might that you castigate so freely died just so YOU could have the freedom to say what you want. The believers of Islam claim to be a “peace loving religion,” yet that same religion breeds terrorists–do you view those of Islam in the same light as you do our people? If you think you can develop Utopia, be our guest, but I can guarantee you that it will not last long–eventually, someone in Utopia will want more, demand it, then wage war in order to get it. So much for “civilization.” Be careful what you wish for, Alex, if Obama and his cohorts in crime have their way, you will not enjoy any of the freedoms you have at this moment because they will become a figment of your imagination. That’s what communisim/socialism/marxism is all about–suppression, control, and enslavement to the government.

    • jack

      SOUNDS LIKE YOU WOULD SCREW THE TROOPS.GOOD THING YOU WERE NOT AROUND IN THE FORTIES WE WOULD BE SPEAKING NIPANEZE OR GERMAN.WHAT HAPPENED TO THE GOOD OLD DAYS WHEN WE COULD BEAT THE CRAP OUT OF THEM [offensive word removed] PACKERS?

    • 45caliber

      Alex:
      Your comments are right out of the Liberal Handbook. “There is nothing worse than taking a human life.” “All soldiers are rapists and murderers.”

      I couldn’t have explained the liberal attitude better myself.

      Incidently, there ARE worse things than killing someone. And if you won’t defend yourself and your family you are apt to find out what those things are.

    • http://naver samurai

      What’s wrong, moron? The military find out that your a rump ranger and sent you packing for home? Just wearing the uniform may not make you a hero, but I’ll tell you that all the things I did are far more then you would ever do. You would never run through a hail of bullets to save someone’s life not caring if you get wounded. I should know, I did that twice. It got me the Silver Star, Bronze Star, and 2 Purple Hearts. You don’t have what it takes to survive on the battlefield and have no idea what it does take. I’ll agree with you that killing someone isn’t the natural way to do things, but if you are being shot at the natural ways of doing things change. My father, who served 32.5 years and 3 tours of Vietnam, told me: “A good leader doesn’t allow his personal feelings or beliefs to interfere with his good judgement.” If your family was in danger and you had a gun, what would you do? Would you protect them like a red blooded American, or would you run away like some lib coward and traitor? Can you answer that? Usually the ones who attack our military are just bleeding hearts, gays, baby killers, libs, commies, or are some type of extremist group. If you think that you can set the example, I suggest that you join up. Oh, that’s right! We don’t want any rump rangers, wimps, baby killers, libs, etc., in the army. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Robert Smith

        samurai says: >>>My father, who served 32.5 years and 3 tours of Vietnam, told me: “A good leader doesn’t allow his personal feelings or beliefs to interfere with his good judgement.”<<<

        So, your personal feelings and beliefs about gays shouldn't be a factor. Listen to your father, samurai.

        Rob

        • http://naver samurai

          Robert is such a fool! First, there were no gays in my unit. Second, as I have stated earlier I treated all my soldiers fairly no matter how different they may be (race, religion, etc…). Third, I suggest that you do the same thing when it comes to your beliefs with illegal drugs, euthinasia (suicide), baby killing, gay lovers, etc., before you start casting stones. You’re the one that’s been attacking people because they believe differently than you, moron! At least we are one the side of the majority and are trying to take back this country from dirtbags like YOU. Show me some references to being gay mentioned in the Constitution, there are NONE! You can cry the 14th Amendment all you want, but we know that the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments deal with freeing the slaves, giving them citizenship, and the right to vote. I suggest that you reall try to study before you post! Ooops! I forgot again that a marxist, gay lover, baby killing, lib can’t really study or think. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • http://naver samurai

            Sorry “guy”, but we both know that the ways of the modern libs and of our founding fathers are very different in many areas. They wouldn’t have tolerated abortion, illegal drugs, gays, hand outs, etc., so I just don’t know why you bring your rhetoric to this site and waste our time? Since you think your so smart, tell me which founding father(s) would be happy with the way the country is now. Remember, they instilled their beliefs in the founding of this country. You are right that God, Lord, Jesus, etc., are not mentioned in the Constitution, but if you really read and study it, you’ll see that they have written the Constitution and instilled their beliefs in it. If you don’t believe me, just read Washington’s farewell address and many others written by our founding fathers. It is true that we have a president and not a Pope or pastor as the head of our country, but to deny the very foundation that they built this country on is absurd.
            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            From samurai: >>>First, there were no gays in my unit.<<>> Second, as I have stated earlier I treated all my soldiers fairly no matter how different they may be (race, religion, etc…).<<>>Third, I suggest that you do the same thing when it comes to your beliefs with illegal drugs, euthinasia (suicide), baby killing, gay lovers, etc., before you start casting stones.<<>> You’re the one that’s been attacking people because they believe differently than you<<<

            Nope. I don't encourage killings at abortion clinics, I don't picket there, I don't picket at the funerals of our soldgers claiming that they are dead because there are gays in America, I don't advocate that you change your life in any way except to let those loving couples who want to get married regardless of their sex.

            BTW, can you explain how same sex couples will impact your life? If they lived next door what change would you make? If they got the same tax adavantages you get would that may any difference in your life? If they went to the same grocery store would that make any difference in your life? What if they got a cable subscription? Would that change your life?

            What about you kids? Will they marry the poodle next door on the other side? Do you really need a "law" to stop them from doing that? What kind of a parent are you that others need to be punished so you can bring your kids up?

            Rob

  • Lyle G

    Conservatives believe in ‘freedom.’ Not for any one who differs from them.

    • 45caliber

      Wrong. We believe in freedom for everyone. But if you infringe on my freedoms I can infringe on yours. If you make it legal for a gay person to proposition me every time he wishes, you have taken away my freedom to say no and have it accepted. Freedom is not “do as you want”; it is respect for the freedom of others when they respect your freedoms. You seem to believe that it is the first – do as you want and everyone else must accept it.

      • Robert Smith

        From 45 (is it OK if I use just your first name)… >>>If you make it legal for a gay person to proposition me every time he wishes, you have taken away my freedom to say no and have it accepted. <<<

        Really! If I had a dime everytime someone told me I should be christian I would have retired fairly well off several years ago.

        How's 'bout getting rid of those pickets at clinics, 45? After all, they've been hanging out for over 20 years, but what about the "freedom" of all those who work there? Why do they have to listen to all those megaphones? BTW, if they are only preying why are those megaphones needed? Is the christian god so hard of hearing? Maybe they should go to his house to prey where it's quiet.

        Rob

        • http://naver samurai

          This is way off of the sunject so can we go back to it, moron? My wife has sent a letter to Governor Mitch Daniels of Indiana, giving him an idea of how to handle the abortion problem.

          1. A person is considered alive at the day of conception.
          2. Forward (give) to that person the protection and benefits of the state of Indiana.
          3. Give to that person the rights of life, liberty, the persuit of happiness and all rights under the U. S. and Indiana Constitutions.
          4. If the woman in question doesn’t want the child, give the child at a chance for a life. Let the child be adopted by mature, rational adults that would raise the child as their own.

          These are the ways things are done in her country, but they can be done that way here also. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            samurai says…

            >>>1. A person is considered alive at the day of conception.<<>>2. Forward (give) to that person the protection and benefits of the state of Indiana.<<>>3. Give to that person the rights of life, liberty, the persuit of happiness and all rights under the U. S. and Indiana Constitutions.<<>>4. If the woman in question doesn’t want the child, give the child at a chance for a life. Let the child be adopted by mature, rational adults that would raise the child as their own.<<<

            hey samurai, I saw in a movie that Arrrrrnold got pregant once. Danny Diveto was part of the movie too. Why don't you stand outside a women's clinic and volunteer to carry one of the early term Baaaaabeyyyyyys? She gets it out of her and you can volunteer!

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Rob, rob, rob, what a whine! Would you like some cheese to go with that whine? It’s not getting the baby out of her, moron, it’s called giving birth. There’s a big difference! If a woman has a child and doesn’t want or can’t keep the child, then give the child a right at a life and be adopted. You never know, that child could grow up to be president one day. As far as my adopting the child, go for it. Another son or daughter of the Samurai. Another future leader and not a pile of crap like you! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            samurai says: >>>You never know, that child could grow up to be president one day. <<<

            Or another Rob.

            If it's so important why don't you volunteer to incubate it after it is concieved? I'm sure that if science were allowed to do the research they could come up with something.

            Rob

          • Robert Smith

            samurai says: >>>1. A person is considered alive at the day of conception.<<<

            So is a cockroach "alive." What's your point?

            BTW, L. Ron Hubbard can be seen getting brain waves from a tomato plant. Check out: http://www.clambake.org/archive/books/bfm/bfm14.htm

            Rob

            Rob

  • Rush Housel

    The 9th district courts are the most liberal and socialistic in the land. I guess most of the Judges are Gay themselves. When liberals can, they will always try to move there cases to the 9th district courts. The U.S. Military can not fall fate to a bunch of over educated morons (congress)or a president that is totally incompetend.
    The U.S. fighting man needs to be able to trust everyone in battle to do there job and know there back and sides are protected. DON’T LET ANY LIBERAL JUDGE PUT OUR TROOPS IN HARMS WAY BECAUSE OF POLITICAL CORRECTNESS. POLITICAL CORRECTNESS WILL NOT WIN ANY WAR OF ANY KIND REGARDLESS OF ANY LIBERAL EXPLANATION, IT’S ALL BULL CRAP!!!

    • Robert Smith

      Hey Rush, just what will a gay person do to put our troops in danger? We already have some in the military. Are there any incidents where any of them actually got another killed? Please offer us an example of your crazy claim. It it’s real you should have little difficulty finding an incident.

      But there are several examples of gays who have been killed because of hate and bigotry. I just read a threat on this forum. So, it appears to me that the danager is to gays. IF they are willing to fight for our country AND they put up with the christians who want them dead I think they are particularly brave.

      Rob

      • 45caliber

        Do you really want to know? Okay, I’ll tell you. If a superior and a private are lovers (man/man, or man/woman) if one gets into danger in a battle, the superior can and has sacrificed others to try to get their lover out of danger. I saw it happen in Vietnam and I understand the Israeli army no longer places women in danger for the same reason.

        You wanted to know. There it is.

        Further, the real problem is not whether the gay person is known to be gay or not; it is his influence on morale and his ability to proposition other soldiers. I’ve served with good gay soldiers – I didn’t talk about sex and neither did they. On a “don’t ask, don’t tell” basis, they followed the rule before it became a rule.

        But if a straight soldier keeps getting propositioned, particularly by a superior who could easily send him into an impossible position for refusing sex, the straight soldier gets upset. He will either disobey orders in battle (which can cause a lot of deaths) or he simply waits for the right time to shoot the gay person. In either case, you do not have soldiers defending other soldiers as is necessary for a solid unit.

        • Robert Smith

          From 45: >>> If a superior and a private are lovers<<>> it is his influence on morale<<>>his ability to proposition other soldiers.<<>>I’ve served with good gay soldiers – I didn’t talk about sex and neither did they.<<>>But if a straight soldier keeps getting propositioned,<<>> He will either disobey orders in battle (which can cause a lot of deaths) or he simply waits for the right time to shoot the gay person.<<<

          Suggestion: Change the word "gay" to black. See how really dumb the stuff you make up is?

          Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Practice what you little lib brain preaches, moron!

          • 45caliber

            Using “black” doesn’t change things as far as I can see. I served with some good black soldiers too. And Latin. And white. And Asian. And American Indian. Unfortunately, I served while they were still drafting people (I volunteered) and most of the draftees were liberals who were too terrified to actually try to protect you. They wouldn’t even protect themselves. That is one of the real reasons they gave up the draft.

          • Robert Smith

            45 says: >>> That is one of the real reasons they gave up the draft.<<<

            Nope. Too many mothers, fathers, and wives, were having their kids killed for no good reason. That was a large voting block.

            The end of the draft was political. In fact, that's why they are sending folks out today for two, three, sometimes four tours. They just won't do the draft.

            Rob

      • 45caliber

        Rob:
        Tell me, do you WANT to place gay soldiers in a place where they are in danger of their lives? You say that gay soldiers might be in danger from their own side as it is. Yet you say that they should be able to tell the world that they are gay. You make no sense to me unless you want them to be killed. Giving them the right to tell everyone is NOT protecting them!

        • dan az

          45
          I think he is bisexual!

        • Robert Smith

          45 asks: >>>Tell me, do you WANT to place gay soldiers in a place where they are in danger of their lives? <<<

          No, I don't. But for those who volunteer so that others may follow, just as some blcks were first to integrate, I think they are incredibly brave and heroic to stand up to the hate and bigotry.

          BTW, I don't think having bogots, bullies, and in general creeps in our armed forces serving with kids can be a good thing for them. I'd rather see THEM leave the military.

          Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            You keep bringing up African Americans a lot, are you African American or your wife/boyfriend?

          • 45caliber

            Rob;

            Unless things have really changed (which I doubt since I know others including my daugter in the military today) there may be a few “creeps”, etc. in the service. And they get rid of them as they are identified. That’s one reason they have the “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy. It’s to help get rid of such people.

            The military is a group who MUST have a strong bond to protect each other who’s sole purpose is to protect the country 24/7. They can get some time off to relax but relaxation is done only when you get time off in a safe place.

            Unfortunately, too many people seem to believe the military is made up of deviants and also believe it should be a sex club. Try getting caught having sex (any sort) in the military and see what happens!

            Incidently, I do not believe you ever served in the military. I know what military soldiers do and say. You don’t. Further, I suspect you are a paid agitator AND are gay yourself despite what you say. Only those who are gay have all the arguments down as pat as you do.

      • http://naver samurai

        Christians don’t want them dead, you moron! If you want to know about something like that, you need look no farther than Obama bin Laden’s brothers of the muslim faith. They kill people they know to be gay, so what’s your point, moron? Being gay in the military, I agree with you 45 and have seen it myself, brings down morale, unit effectiveness, and cohesion. You’re just a lying lib who didn’t have the balls to serve this great country of ours. If you did serve, then post a copy of your DD214 and I’ll believe you. No gays, baby killers, commies, or libs in my platoon! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Andre

    There is no such thing as a sexual orientation but sexual pathology.

    • Robert Smith

      Form Andre: >>>There is no such thing as a sexual orientation but sexual pathology.<<<

      Bzzzz, falsehood alert, Andre is wrong. There are no longer any clinical diagnosis for homosexuality.

      You can check it out in the DSM and for further concers you can check here: http://www.psych.org/mainmenu/research/dsmiv.aspx

      BTW, how might the christian god make just about 10% of the human population with gay tendencies if it were wrong? Ain't humans created in "his" (or her) image?

      Rob

      • s c

        Been busy today, eh, RS? I’m tempted to toss some very pointed remarks in your direction, but I’ll leave that for readers who have better religious credentials than mine.
        Have a nice day, and be prepared for some angles you never considered.

        • dan az

          sc
          I think its time for I41!

      • http://naver samurai

        Bzzzzz wrong again, moron! You say 10% of the earth’s population is gay or have gay tendencies? Cite your source! Cite your source or leave the site. We’re tired of all the lies that you have put on these sites. You really didn’t have the balls to serve, you’re gay, a baby killer, lib, marxist fool! This great country needs to cleanse itself of fools like you and get back to the ways of our Christian Founding Fathers. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • http://naver samurai

          I don’t know who this person is, but you have a lot of room to talk. But this is no problem. I’ve something special in store for you!

        • http://naver samurai

          I really hope you did, but I want to warn you that I have a notebook sided folder of stuff against you, or is it proud american, 4america, seriously, omg, elaine, the list goes on and on, give it a rest! Your hear to stir the waters and are not a patriot at all.

  • 45caliber

    I would believe that any court in California should recuse itself from this problem. After all, I don’t believe anyone in California WOULD join the military. They are liberal, after all, and believe it wrong to join. So without any citizens to represent, how can the judge make a ruling?

  • http://gmail i41

    Most queers cann’t behave as normal organisms. They either make a major production out of walking, talking, and in short just being damn obnoxious. If rump romping is their thing, room with Blarney or move to Cal and start if a movie. Fags just cann’t behave, and more crap pushing that perv attitude in school and high “education”, the goofier the simple minded s–t birds with liberal parents become. Acting like a faggot, is a learned behavior. The more packed the population conpacts together, more adnormal it becomes. Rats studied have been proven that males be come queer, sows eat and kill their young,and males usually will chew the nuts off of other males. Sounds just like any big city or metropolitian center.Everyone knows the faggot marxist muslim moron in cheif had 3 of his “roommates” disposed of, with in a month before he announced as a canidate. Muslims think little boys under 10 just a organism like a wife or daughter to be used, and blacks in high density groups switch to what ever wave length they want, these are not theories just facts.

    • dan az

      i41
      thanks we can all cant on you!

      • dan az

        Sorry that was count on you could stop laughing sorry!

    • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Randy

      THANK YOU! If they want to pack fudge or eat at the Y, so be it. If they’re wrong ,they’ll pay for it when the day comes. But, now they’ve become this protected group, like a race or ethnicity, just because of a behavior they choose! GLBT, the new “race”.

      • Robert Smith

        Hi Randy,

        Posted: >>>But, now they’ve become this protected group, like a race or ethnicity, just because of a behavior they choose! <<<

        Really! And when did you "choose" to be straight?

        Is there ANYTHING that might tempt you to do something with gay sex? Open your hand, what would someone have to put in it to get you to open your mouth?

        BTW, as a guy I've had oral sex with women. YES! Shock of shockes, heterosexuals have oral sex! Does that make me a lesbian? After all, we are doing the same thing. Is she queer if she makes me feel good?

        Rob

        • http://naver samurai

          Gee, that statement just made no sense whatsoever. I don’t care what you do with your sheep girlfriend, knock the nonsense off.

          • http://naver samurai

            Sorry rob and guy, but you are born straight. Being gay is when satan enters your heart and gets you to do unnatural things. Being gay may be someone choosing to do such, but they will pay in the end for it. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • 45caliber

            I believe that one reason they are insisting in “respect for their lifestyle” so much is that they do not believe that God created man; they believe man created God.

            And they believe that if man can be forced to accept their lifestyle, so will God – so they won’t go to H*ll after they die.

            I don’t think man is going to change God by trying to change God’s rules. In fact, I believe that those who try are going to end up in the same place as the gays do – and none will enjoy it.

  • Robert Berger

    There’s no reason why gays shouldn’t be allowed to serve openly in the US military.The have been from the very beginning, and fought in both world wars,Korea and Vietnam. They just kept their sexual identities to themselves and didn’t hinder any war efforts.
    The serve openly in the armies of Europe and Israel,and nobody there has ever lost any sleep over this.
    But unfortunately, because of the ramnpant homophobia in America,allowing them to serve openly could cause serious problems for them,not the army,navy or air force.
    They would be especially at risk of constant harassment and even violence by fellow soldiers who knew they were gay, and homophobic superior officers could also harass them and make life extremely difficult for them.
    A homophobic superior officer might give an extremely negative evaluation to a gay soldier,even if he or she had done exemplary service,this jeopardizing that person’s military career. What a shame,and how disgraceful.

    • http://naver samurai

      Gee, why do you sound like the other morons on this site? I know, you all must be watching the same BS lib videos or logging onto the same moronic lib sites on the “net.” I think you all are just strug out on the kool aid. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • http://naver samurai

        I still don’t know who this person you call me is. Such childish behavior. I’m just stating my opinion and facts, when I choose to post them. You’re going down!

        • http://naver samurai

          Still don’t know who this person is, but if you like going down on a man you must be gay! Sorry dude, but I love my wife too much to do that immoral lifestyle. I also forgot, you don’t have one. Is your right hand getting to be tired after all these years of using it for enjoyment?

    • Robert Smith

      Posted: >>>A homophobic superior officer might give an extremely negative evaluation to a gay soldier,even if he or she had done exemplary service,this jeopardizing that person’s military career. What a shame,and how disgraceful.<<<

      Blacks had exactly the same problems, and still do once in awhile.

      Folks get mostly get over it. Somehow bigots simply move onto the next groop. I even heard about signs not permitting Irish to apply for jobs. Hate us ugly and it seems to come from the same creeps.

      Rob

    • 45caliber

      Yes, gays did serve in the military prior to now. And they basically kept their mouths shut. This was the unoffical “don’t ask, don’t tell”.

      People like to have friends who are like them. That includes gays. I have no problem working with a gay person – IF they concentrate on work and not sex and other non-work items. I don’t like it when a hetrosexual talks about sex at work – and I have told them so. So … why do the gays think it is important to tell everyone at work that they are gay?

      • Robert Smith

        From 45: >>>I don’t like it when a hetrosexual talks about sex at work – and I have told them so. <<<

        I don't like it when christians talk about their religion at work – and I have told them so.

        Rob

  • OneDamnAngryAmerican

    As a part of the Oath of Enlistment (Enlistment, Appointment or Commission), you give up your rights under the Constitution and accept the rights of the Uniform Code of Military Justice. (….”according to all rules, regulations, and the Uniform Code of Military Justice, so help me God”!) LOOK IT UP! The Constitution is not the rule of law for anybody in the US military, the UCMJ is! If you don’t like it, don’t join, reenlist, or stay in. Federal Judges know this, because “you” have a “right” to have them give you this oath. These types of rulings by our judiciary is just more fuel for the fire, that the USA continues to be ruled by corrupt politicians as well as corrupt judges, who DO MAKE POLICY FROM THEIR BENCHES. The last appointee to the Supreme Court, as an example, has NEVER EVEN SERVED AS A JUDGE! What’s next, voting a president who was born in Kenya? SO HELP ME GOD!

    • Robert Smith

      From One(etc.): >>>you give up your rights under the Constitution and accept the rights of the Uniform Code of Military Justice. (….”according to all rules, regulations, and the Uniform Code of Military Justice, so help me God”!) LOOK IT UP! <<<

      I did. The sodomy statute, Article 125, stipulates, "Any person who is subject to this charter who engages in unnatural carnal copulation with another person of the same or opposite sex or with an animal is guilty of sodomy. Penetration, however slight, is sufficient to complete the offense." It also states, "Any person found guilty of sodomy shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.

      So… Are you going to discharge all those guys who have oral sex with women?

      Rob

      • http://naver samurai

        Oral sex and sodomy are different.

        • http://naver samurai

          Sodomy is forceful penetration and oral sex isn’t. If you need oral sex to get off, as it were, you must not respect your wife or boyfriend in your case.

          • Robert Smith

            I want to know what Gamority is. Am I missing something?

            Rob

  • http://gmail i41

    I guess the since rumper want to strut their few percentage perverted differences and muslims want USA to give them special privilages. Then those perves should be left as a unit and then muslims are mostly camel humpers, so the unit can be the rumpers and the humpers unitl. to be used for close contact from hand to hand toe to toe engagement or parts about. Sub groups could be the perfume goils and grezer pumps.Mass confusion would be shower time.

    • Robert Smith

      Or, like blacks the units could serve with honor, pride, and distinction like those who were on the Red Ball express (drove trucks) and Tuscegee Airmen (drove Mustangs with the Merlin engines).

      Rob

  • Zach

    It should be noted that in another case, the judge ruled in favor of a nurse who was fired who was fired from a public health clinic for refusing to distribute contraceptives for religious reasons.
    I’m betting most of the people who are calling her an activist judge would have been lauding her for that one.

  • JIm

    LET THEM SERVE!

    What a bunch of scared little pansies you people are. Gays should have the freedom to serve openly in the military.

    Isn’t that what this site is about? FREEDOM. Don’t tread on people. Let them live their lives and have the same opportunities as everyone else.

    I’m sick of anti-gay bigotry being passed off as though it is a conservative value. Get with it people!

    • http://naver samurai

      Sorry dude, but as long as people think, live, and act differently we can never all be the same. To be all the same would require same though, living standards, actions, etc., you know better then that Chris! Do we have to report you again for being childish and ambushing people? But that’s OK, you’ll definately be getting your in the end.

      • http://naver samurai

        I remember the last thread a man maned Munir told me that the world will look a lot different when I die then it does now. I agreed with him on that. This country will be brought back to the ways of our Christian Founding Fathers. It will be set back on the right path, you know the one that leads to salvation and not death (like the libs want to do). It will seek to have all God fearing patriots raise up and cleanse this nation of what ails it. It’ll seek out the libs, gays, baby killers, marxists, commies, and those who believe in false faiths and rid them from our society. We can once again become the beacon of liberty, without the libs and others, oppressing the average American. You can challenge me all you want, say bad things to me, etc., but the patriots on this site know what is at stake here, it’s our country! GOD BLESS AMERICA! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • http://naver samurai

          Nope, but I do think that this country should do like it says in I and II Kings in the Bible. Try reading it sometime.

        • Robert Smith

          From samurai: >>>This country will be brought back to the ways of our Christian Founding Fathers.<<<

          Blacks were slaves.

          Women couldn't vote.

          There were no restrictions on drugs.

          Blood letting was a common treatment (and some say it killed George Washington)

          One could get a baby delivered for a chicken except that generally the woman was in way more danger than today giving birth.

          BTW, were you aware that when old outhouses were excavated in Alexandria, VA, that fetuses were found? Some of them were full term.

          Ahhhhh yes, the good old days according to samurai.

          Rob

        • Robert Smith

          Hate is NOT a family value.

          Rob

        • Robert Smith

          samurai says: >>>but the patriots on this site know what is at stake here<<<

          Let me guess: Witches

          Rob

  • Robert Hagedorn

    No matter how we feel about same-sex marriage, gays in the military, etc., the exegesis for the 2nd and 3rd chapters of Genesis makes us uncomfortable. Why? Because the deed Adam and Eve did, according to the evidence in the story, was sodomy–the mystery the bishop of Hippo almost solved 1600 years ago. (He thought the sin was penile/vaginal.) For more information google The First Scandal Adam and Eve. Then click, read, and click again.

    • James

      Without going into great detail, the sin in the garden of Eden, was miscegenation by both Eve (first) and then Adam, not sodomy. Eve was seduced by Satan (the symbolic tree in the garden) “she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat” (Gen. 3:6). Apparently this went on for some time before they parented a son (Abel) of their own.

    • coal miner

      Robert,

      Eve was not Adam’s first wife.Lilith was.

      http://www.whitedragon.org.uk/articles/lillith.htm

  • James

    If memory serves, the subject here was about the federal policy of “don’t ask, don’t tell.” The First Amendment reads in pertinent part: “Congress shall make no law…abridging the freedom of speech.” If the ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’ requirement is in a law passed by Congress, it would be unconstitutional. If it’s a policy required by the Military Code, it would not be unconstitutional. Only Congress can violate the Bill of Rights.

    • Robert Smith

      From James: >>>If the ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’ requirement is in a law passed by Congress, it would be unconstitutional.<<<

      I wonder if the same thing applies to civilian employees working with the military. The UCMJ doesn't apply to them.

      Another thing I'm curious about is the notion that gays are a security risk. The theory is that if they can be blackmaled for being gay. But if everyone knows how can they be blackmaled? I'd think that we would be far more secure if being gay wasn't an issue. No grounds for blackmale.

      Rob

      • James

        I’m sure all employees working for the military, like Blackwater, Inc., are under some kind of military regulation. The First Amendment restricts ‘Congress,’ but if those UCMJ codes were authorized (or OK’d) by Congress, the part that restricts what they can say would be unconstitutional. “Congress shall make no law…abridging the freedom of speech.”

      • James

        Robert,your reasoning that being gay wouldn’t be an issue, if everyone knew who was gay, assumes that everyone would accept homosexuality as just another way of life. In our beginnings, America was built on the Bible’s concept of right and wrong. Everything the Bible said was a ‘sin’ became a ‘crime’ in our law. Until the recent Supreme Court decision in Lawrence v. Texas, every state had laws that penalized homosexual acts. This was based upon Leviticus 20:13, which states that such acts are a capital offense, and the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, where angels of the Lord enforced that law. While such acts are now legal, here, that background belief of right and wrong is still with American Christians.

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