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Another Assault On Free Speech

June 25, 2010 by  

Another Assault On Free Speech

Free speech opponents in Congress found a way to squeeze a bill through the House of Representatives that will stifle 1st Amendment rights for the four months prior to an election.

The deceptively-named DISCLOSE Act of 2010 should more accurately be called the Incumbency Protection Act, because protecting their jobs is precisely what the liberals in the House are trying to do.

The bill reverses the United States Supreme Court’s decision in Citizen’s United vs. FEC that upheld the right of corporations to spend on political advertising in candidate elections. The 5-4 decision prompted President Barack Obama to classlessly chide the Supreme Court during his State of the Union address; an event unprecedented in its hubris.

What the DISCLOSE Act, passed late yesterday, will do is force any corporation that runs political advertising to name its top five contributors in the ad and make a complete list available upon request. It will also drown the corporation in red tape in order to comply with the vagaries of the bill.

At first glance one might think banning corporations from political advertising would be a good thing. But think again.

Corporations in this sense mean not large companies—say General Electric or Goldman Sachs—but special interest groups that advocate for their members like the National Rifle Association (NRA), AARP and Chamber of Commerce. And what’s worse, if you and a group of your friends wanted to ban together, pool your money and run adds opposing your local Congressman or State Senator, you would not be able to do that.

Not surprisingly, the bill does not affect the way unions spend. In fact The Hill recently reported that two unions will spend close to $100 million to re-elect the present majority in Congress.

So what Congress wants to do is let unions spend willy-nilly the money from dues that its members are FORCED to pay, and spend it on causes or candidates that members themselves may or may not agree with. But organizations in which people voluntarily make contributions because they support its cause or agenda are unable to advertise on their members’ behalf.

And liberals in Congress think that’s fair.

The 1st Amendment was written not to protect the speech that everyone wants to hear. It’s there to protect the speech that people don’t want to hear. For the fascists in Congress, at election time that’s just intolerable.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American and author of The Bob Livingston Letter™, founded in 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • JeffH

    I can only hope that a request for a court injunction to stifle this legislation can be done before the November elections.
    This “Disclose Act” is Obama’s slap back at The earlier Supreme Court Ruling that he so rudley chastised the Supreme Court Justice Alito over.

    Remember and do not forget how important our Constitutional Amendments are to the laws of the United States and how these lawmakers literally stomp our flag and degrade every citizen. Without our Constitution being interpreted and exercised and supported exactly the way our founding fathers intended it, we as a free nation governed for and by the people are finished.

    Now, more than ever, is the time for the American people to rise up and force our elected leaders to “sh-t or get off the pot”…we must be heard. Being ignored is no longer an option.

    Here are some quotes from Barack Obama’s Keynote Speech at the 2004 Democratic National Convention in Boston…

    Now even as we speak, there are those who are preparing to divide us, the spin masters, the negative ad peddlers who embrace the politics of anything goes. Well, I say to them tonight, there is not a liberal America and a conservative America – there is the United States of America. There is not a Black America and a White America and Latino America and Asian America – there’s the United States of America.

    The pundits, the pundits like to slice-and-dice our country into Red States and Blue States; Red States for Republicans, Blue States for Democrats. But I’ve got news for them, too. We worship an awesome God in the Blue States, and we don’t like federal agents poking around in our libraries in the Red States. We coach Little League in the Blue States and yes, we’ve got some gay friends in the Red States. There are patriots who opposed the war in Iraq and there are patriots who supported the war in Iraq.

    We are one people, all of us pledging allegiance to the stars and stripes, all of us defending the United States of America. In the end, that’s what this election is about. Do we participate in a politics of cynicism or do we participate in a politics of hope?

    This man, Barack Obama, is a straight up treasonous liar.

    • angel-wanna-be

      WELL SAID JEFF_if these Liberals think the passage of this bill, will help stop the rhetoric, and our quest to vote them outta office IN NOVEMEBER, THEY ARE SADLY MISTAKEN!!__ONE NATION UNDER GOD BABY!__WE’RE AMERICANS FIRST!!

      • eddie47d

        Vote anybody you want out of office in November. That’s your American right. We need fairness and honesty in ALL political ads at all times. That is sorely lacking in everything we hear during election season. Seems to be 24/7 and 365 days anymore.

        • DaveH

          What would a Liberal know about fairness and honesty? You think it’s fair that Unions skate? You think it’s fair that the Media will have the power since their Free Speech is still protected? Maybe, ignorant Liberal, this will backfire on you since Fox is becoming the Media Giant. Even though Fox presents both sides of the story making them seem like Conservatives to you Liberals, that may be all we need to send your morally bankrupt people to the sidelines.
          These campaign finance laws are meant for one purpose only and that is to keep the politicians entrenched.

          • CommonSense

            Over and over I read in the various postings the word LIBERAL. In terms of many supporters of the Democratic Party and definitely for 99% of all representatives of this party, LIBERAL is a misnomer. How the Democratic Party was able historically to receive this attribute – I was unable to track. But the true attribute should be SOCIALIST or COMMUNIST. So I propose in an action to open everybody’s mind to substitute in future postings “LIBERAL” with “SOCIALIST (Liberal)”. We should not continue to romanticize “their” movement/propaganda. And boy – oh – boy was JFK’s speech a bunch of……

            Those, who were fortunate to have been taught history or were able to study up on it, will see were all the recent government actions will be leading.

            It is unfortunate that so many people are misguided and mistake the word humanity and thing that means LIBERAL (or in my vocabulary SOCIALIST). The same misunderstanding is true for social consciousness which is neither the same as SOCIALIST/LIBERAL.

            European “humanitarian” contributions by individuals are far less than what Americans personally contributed to humanitarian causes.

            SOCIALISTS always scream foul when their power overreach is uncovered or disrupted. Some of them are just misguided souls, but Obama, Pelosi, Reid +++++ are just plain vanilla evil. Although – I must admit, they are not the real movers and shakers behind it, but they are willingly the front line.

            The irony, SOCIALISTS care only about themselves – not about the little people their propaganda is catering too.

            By the way – education is not the correct word to use when you want to defend or disagree with any political statement/choice/selection. UNTAINTED EDUCATION would be. Unfortunately the education system was infiltrated over the last 50 years or so (maybe even longer) so that they educate our children in the way they want them to think. What do you think it does to a child’s forming years if Oliver Stone’s movie about hailing the “Führer” in Venezuela becomes mandatory material in school education? Or what it did when the “Inconvenient Truth” had to be watched, a movie based on falsified information and hence should have been titled Incorrect Truth.

            So can we blame some of the contrary arguments here on the board. No we can’t they don’t know better – or don’t want to know better – or cannot know better.

            In the same vein, DISCLOSURE ACT, FAIRNESS ACT, +++++ all ways towards a controlled society, rules by SOCIALSITS who have nothing better in mind than having the life of Riley, without working for it. In reality – for all you dreamers out there – this is called STATE CAPITALISM. Meaning the wealth pyramid is actually no longer a pyramid but a stick with a small tip of ultra rich and famous (called politicians), no middle class, and a large bottom – the common people. You want to see how that looks, just study former Russia, East Germany, CHINA before Westernization, any Communist regime.

            I could have posted this here under any rubric. It fits anywhere.

            Wake up America, this November is probably the very last chance to prevent that America will become Venezuela/Cuba/Argentina/……
            (Fill in whatever you like is most comparable). We can no longer be silent. We have to become active. We have to take out country back!

          • Jana

            Common Sense,
            This was an extremely good post and very right on.
            The far left of course has distorted what liberalism is supposed to be. (Not only distorted it but perverted it.)
            Actually in my estimation due to the fact that Obama has surrounded himself with so many Marxists and Communists, you could actually go a step further and call them Socialist / Communists. The sad part is they are so very proud of it. Shame on them and double shame on anyone voting for this type of trash in our country.

          • DaveH

            A Political Liberal is anybody who advocates Big Government as the solution to our problems. They can be Democrats or they can be Republicans. They are not necessarily Socialists (Government controls all business) or Communists (Government controls all property, business or private).
            I use the shortened version – Liberal, as opposed to constantly typing in Political Liberal.

          • Bob Wire

            I’ll cut this down a LOT, It’s clear, reading taxes time and the brain but well worth the whole read. Regarding Fox News ~ your political adviser. The man that poisons you minds

            “Who is Rupert Murdoch?” (not an American by birth)and what does it mean to you?

            July 16, 2004

            Rupert Murdoch

            “In recent years, Australian-born billionaire Rupert Murdoch has used the U.S. government’s increasingly lax media regulations to consolidate his hold over the media and wider political debate in America. Consider Murdoch’s empire: According to Businessweek, “his satellites deliver TV programs in five continents, all but dominating Britain, Italy, and wide swaths of Asia and the Middle East. He publishes 175 newspapers, including the New York Post and The Times of London. In the U.S., he owns the Twentieth Century Fox Studio, Fox Network, and 35 TV stations that reach more than 40% of the country…His cable channels include fast-growing Fox News, and 19 regional sports channels. In all, as many as one in five American homes at any given time will be tuned into a show News Corp. either produced or delivered.” But who is the real Rupert Murdoch? As this report shows, he is a far-right partisan who has used his empire explicitly to pull American political debate to the right. He is also an enabler of the oppressive tactics employed by dictatorial regimes, and a man who admits to having hidden money in tax havens. In short, there more to Rupert Murdoch than meets the eye.

            In 2003, Rupert Murdoch told a congressional panel that his use of “political influence in our newspapers or television” is “nonsense.” But a close look at the record shows Murdoch has imparted his far-right agenda throughout his media empire.

            MURDOCH THE WAR MONGER: Just after the Iraq invasion, the New York Times reported, “The war has illuminated anew the exceptional power in the hands of Murdoch, 72, the chairman of News Corp… In the last several months, the editorial policies of almost all his English-language news organizations have hewn very closely to Murdoch’s own stridently hawkish political views, making his voice among the loudest in the Anglophone world in the international debate over the American-led war with Iraq.” The Guardian reported before the war Murdoch gave “his full backing to war, praising George Bush as acting ‘morally’ and ‘correctly’ and describing Tony Blair as ‘full of guts’” for his support of the war. Murdoch said just before the war, “We can’t back down now – I think Bush is acting very morally, very correctly.” [New York Times, 4/9/03; Guardian, 2/12/03]

            MURDOCH THE NEOCONSERVATIVE: Murdoch owns the Weekly Standard, the neoconservative journal that employed key figures who pushed for war in Iraq. As the American Journalism Review noted, the circulation of Murdoch’s Weekly Standard “hovers at only around 65,000. But its voice is much louder than those numbers suggest.” Editor Bill Kristol “is particularly adept at steering Washington policy debates by inserting himself and his views into the discussion.” In the early weeks of the War on Terror, Kristol “shepherded a letter to President Bush, signed by 40 D.c= opinion-makers, urging a wider military engagement.” [Source: AJR, 12/01]

            MURDOCH THE OIL IMPERIALIST: Murdoch has acknowledged his major rationale for supporting the Iraq invasion: oil. While both American and British politicians strenuously deny the significance of oil in the war, the Guardian of London notes, “Murdoch wasn’t so reticent. He believes that deposing the Iraqi leader would lead to cheaper oil.” Murdoch said before the war, “The greatest thing to come out of this for the world economy…would be $20 a barrel for oil. That’s bigger than any tax cut in any country.” He buttressed this statement when he later said, “Once [Iraq] is behind us, the whole world will benefit from cheaper oil which will be a bigger stimulus than anything else.” [Guardian, 2/17/03]

            MURDOCH THE INTIMIDATOR: According to Agence France-Press, “Rupert Murdoch’s Fox News Channel threatened to sue the makers of ‘The Simpsons’ over a parody of the channel’s right-wing political stance…In an interview this week with National Public Radio, Matt Groening recalled how the news channel had considered legal action, despite the fact that ‘The Simpsons’ is broadcast on sister network, Fox Entertainment. According to Groening, Fox took exception took a Simpsons’ version of the Fox News rolling news ticker which parodied the channel’s anti-Democrat stance with headlines like ‘Do Democrats Cause Cancer?’” [Source: Agence France-Press, 10/29/03]

            MURDOCH THE NEWS EDITOR: “When The New York Post tore up its front page on Monday night to trumpet an apparent exclusive that Representative Richard A. Gephardt would be Senator John Kerry’s running mate, the newspaper based its decision on a very high-ranking source: Rupert Murdoch, the man who controls the company that owns The Post, an employee said yesterday. The Post employee demanded anonymity, saying senior editors had warned that those who discussed the Gephardt gaffe with other news organizations would lose their jobs.” [NY Times, 7/9/04]

            Just as Fox claims to be “fair and balanced,” Rupert Murdoch claims to stay out of partisan politics. But he has made his views quite clear – and used his media empire to implement his wishes. As a former News Corp. executive told Fortune Magazine, Murdoch “hungered for the kind of influence in the United States that he had in England and Australia” and that meant “part of our political strategy [in the U.S.] was the New York Post and the creation of Fox News and the Weekly Standard.”

            MURDOCH THE BUSH SUPPORTER: Murdoch told Newsweek before the war, Bush “will either go down in history as a very great president or he’ll crash and burn. I’m optimistic it will be the former by a ratio of 2 to 1…One senses he is a man of great character and deep humility.” [Newsweek, 2/17/03]

            MURDOCH THE BUSH FAMILY EMPLOYER: As Slate reports, Murdoch “put George W. Bush cousin John Ellis in charge of [Fox's] Election Night vote-counting operation: Ellis made Fox the first network to declare Bush the victor” even as the New Yorker reported that Ellis spent the evening discussing the election with George W. and Jeb Bush. After the election, Fox bragged that it attracted 6.8 million viewers on Election Night, meaning Ellis was in a key position to tilt the election for President Bush. [Source: Slate, 11/22/00; New Yorker, 11/20/00]

            MURDOCH THE MIXER OF BUSINESS AND POLITICS: James Fallows of the Atlantic Monthly points out that most of Murdoch’s actions “are consistent with the use of political influence for corporate advantage.” In other words, he uses his publications to advance a political agenda that will make him money. The New York Times reports that in 2001, for example, The Sun, Britain’s most widely read newspaper, followed Murdoch’s lead in dropping its traditional conservative affiliation to endorse Tony Blair, the New Labor candidate. News Corp.’s other British papers, The Times of London, The Sunday Times and the tabloid News of the World, all concurred. The papers account for about 35% of the newspaper market in Britain. Blair backed “a communications bill in the British Parliament that would loosen restrictions on foreign media ownership and allow a major newspaper publisher to own a broadcast television station as well a provision its critics call the ‘Murdoch clause’ because it seems to apply mainly to News Corp.” [Atlantic Monthly, 9/03; New York Times, 4/9/03]

            MURDOCH THE NEW YORK CITY POLITICAL BOSS: The Columbia Journalism Review reported that during New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani’s first term “News Corp. received a $20.7 million tax break for the mid-Manhattan office building that houses the Post, Fox News Channel, TV Guide and other operations. During Giuliani’s 1997 reelection campaign, News Corp. was also angling for hefty city tax breaks and other incentives to set up a new printing plant in New York City. Most dramatically, Giuliani jumped in to aggressively champion News Corp. when it battled Time Warner over a slot for the Fox News Channel on Time Warner’s local cable system…Three years into Giuliani’s first term, veteran Village Voice political reporter Wayne Barrett asked Post editorial page editor Eric Breindel if the paper had run a single editorial critical of the administration; Breindel, he says, admitted it had not. According to Barrett, the paper pulled off a perfect four-year streak” of not one critical editorial. [Columbia Journalism Review, 6/98]

            Rupert Murdoch thinks of himself as a staunch anti-communist. But a look at the record shows that when his own profits are on the line, he is willing to do favors for the most repressive regimes on the planet.

            MURDOCH THE DEFENDER OF REPRESSIVE REGIMES: The last governor of Hong Kong before it was handed back to China, Chris Patten, signed a contract to write his memoirs with Murdoch’s publishing company, HarperCollins. But according to the Evening Standard, when “Murdoch heard that the book, East and West, would say unflattering things about the Chinese leadership, with whom he was doing satellite TV business, the contract was cancelled. It caused a furor in the press – except, of course, in the Murdoch papers, which barely mentioned the story.” According to BusinessWeek, internal memos surfaced suggesting the canceling of the contract was motivated by “corporate worries about friction with China, where HarperCollins’ boss, Rupert Murdoch, has many business interests.” [Evening Standard, 8/13/03; BusinessWeek, 9/15/98]

            MURDOCH THE APOLOGIST FOR DICTATORSHIPS: Time Magazine reported that while Murdoch is supposedly “a devout anti-Soviet and anti-communist” he “became bewitched by China in the early ’90s.” In an effort to persuade Chinese dictators that he would never challenge their behavior, Murdoch “threw the BBC off Star TV” (his satellite network operating in China) after BBC aired reports about Chinese human rights violations. Murdoch argued the BBC “was gratuitously attacking the regime, playing film of the massacre in Tiananmen Square over and over again.” In 1998 Chinese President Jiang Zemin praised Murdoch for the “objective” way in which his papers and television covered China. [Source: Time Magazine, 10/25/99]

            MURDOCH THE PROPAGANDIST FOR DICTATORS: While Murdoch justifies his global media empire as a threat to “totalitarian regimes everywhere,” according to Time Magazine, Murdoch actually pays the salary of a top TV consultant working to improve the Chinese government’s communist state-run television CCTV. As Time notes, “nowadays, News Corp. and CCTV International are partners of sorts,” exchanging agreements to air each other’s content, even though CCTV is “a key propaganda arm of the Communist Party.” [Source: Time Magazine, 7/6/04]

            MURDOCH THE ENABLER OF HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATORS: According to the LA Times, Murdoch had his son James, now in charge of News Corp.’s China initiative, attack the Falun Gong, the spiritual movement banned by the Chinese government after 10,000 of its followers protested in Tiananmen Square. With Rupert in attendance, James Murdoch called the movement a “dangerous” and “apocalyptic cult” and lambasted the Western press for its negative portrayal of China’s awful human rights record. Murdoch “startled even China’s supporters with his zealous defense of that government’s harsh crackdown on Falun Gong and criticism of Hong Kong democracy supporters.” Murdoch also “said Hong Kong democracy advocates should accept the reality of life under a strong-willed ‘absolutist’ government.” It “appeared to some to be a blatant effort to curry favor” with the China’s repressive government. [LA Times, 3/23/01]

            MURDOCH THE HIDER OF MONEY IN COMMUNIST CUBA: Despite a U.S. embargo of communist Cuba, the Washington Post reports, “News Corp.’s organizational chart consists of no less than 789 business units incorporated in 52 countries, including Mauritius, Fiji and even Cuba.” [Washington Post, 12/7/97]

            From union busting to tax evading, Rupert Murdoch has established a shady business record that raises serious questions about his corporate ethics.

            MURDOCH THE UNION BUSTER: The Economist reported that in 1986 Murdoch “helped smash the British print unions by transferring the production of his newspapers to a non-union plant at Wapping in East London.” The move “proved to be a turning-point in Britain’s dreadful industrial relations.” AP reported Murdoch specifically “slashed employment levels” at the union plant and said he would “dismiss the 6,000 striking workers” who were trying to force concessions out of the media baron. The London Evening Standard called the tactics “the biggest union-busting operation in history.” [Sources: The Economist, 4/18/98; AP, 1/27/86; Evening Standard, 11/12/98]

            MURDOCH THE CORPORATE TAX EVADER: The BBC reported that “Mr. Murdoch’s die-hard loyalty to the tax loophole has drawn wide criticism” after a report found that in the four years prior to June 30, 1998, “Murdoch’s News Corporation and its subsidiaries paid only $325 million in corporate taxes worldwide. That translates as 6% of the $5.4 billion consolidated pre-tax profits for the same period…By comparison another multi-national media empire, Disney, paid 31%. The corporate tax rates for the three main countries in which News Corp. operates – Australia, the United States and the UK – are 36%, 35% and 30% respectively. Further research reveals that Mr. Murdoch’s main British holding company, News Corp. Investments, has paid no net corporation tax within these shores over the past 11 years. This is despite accumulated pre-tax profits of nearly $3 billion.” [Source: BBC, 3/25/99]

            MURDOCH THE LOVER OF OFFSHORE TAX HAVENS: When a congressional panel asked if he was hiding money in tax havens, including communist Cuba, Murdoch responded “we might have in the past, I’m not denying that.” The Washington Post reports, “through the deft use of international accounting loopholes and offshore tax havens, Murdoch has paid corporate income taxes at one-fifth the rate of his chief U.S. rivals throughout the 1990s, according to corporate documents and company officials.” Murdoch “has mastered the use of the offshore tax haven.” His company “reduces its annual tax bill by channeling profits through dozens of subsidiaries in low-tax or no-tax places such as the Cayman Islands and Bermuda. The overseas profits from movies made by 20th Century Fox, for instance, flow into a News Corp.-controlled company in the Caymans, where they are not taxed.” [Source: Congressional Testimony, 5/8/03; Washington Post, 12/7/97]

            MURDOCH THE ABUSER OF TAX LOOPHOLES: Even though Murdoch changed his citizenship in order to comply with U.S. media ownership rules, many of his companies have remained Australian, allowing them “to utilize arcane accounting rules that have pumped up reported profits and greatly aided Murdoch’s periodic acquisition sprees.” IRS officials point out that “U.S.-based companies face U.S. taxes on their offshore subsidiaries in the Caymans and elsewhere if more than 50 percent of the subsidiary is controlled by American shareholders. But that doesn’t apply to News Corp., an Australian company.” [Source: Congressional Testimony, 5/8/03; Washington Post, 12/7/97]

            Fox Watchers ~ stay on FOX! all day, all night! obsessed! I guess many of them don’t work! For look at how the rating systems work! and leads us to some understanding.

            “When an outlet reports that CNN is trailing Fox , they are almost invariably using this average tally, which Fox has been winning for the past two years. For the year 2003, Nielsen’s average daily ratings show Fox beating CNN 1.02 million viewers to 665,000.

            But there is another important number collected by Nielsen (though only made available to the firm’s clients) that tells another story. This is the “cume,” the cumulative total number of viewers who watch a channel for at least six minutes during a given day. Unlike the average ratings number the media usually report, this number gives the same weight to the light viewer, who tunes in for a brief time, as it does to the heavy viewer.

            How can CNN have more total viewers when Fox has such a commanding lead in average viewers? Conventional industry wisdom is that CNN viewers tune in briefly to catch up on news and headlines, while Fox viewers watch longer for the opinion and personality-driven programming. Because the smaller total number of Fox viewers are watching more hours, they show up in the ratings as a higher average number of viewers.

            CNN regularly claims a cume about 20 percent higher than Fox ‘s (Deseret Morning News , 1/12/04). For instance, in April 2003, during the height of the fighting in Iraq, CNN ‘s cume was significantly higher than Fox ‘s: 105 million viewers tuned into CNN compared to 86 million for Fox (Cablefax , 4/30/03). But in the same period, the ratings reported by most media outlets had Fox in the lead, with an average of 3.5 million viewers to CNN ‘s 2.2 million.

            Even among Fox ‘s core audience of conservatives, CNN has an edge in total viewership. A study by the ad agency Carat USA (Hollywood Reporter , 8/13/03) found that 37 percent of viewers calling themselves “very conservative” watch CNN in the course of a week, while only 32 percent tune to Fox .”

          • DaveH

            And yet that dastardly guy has put together the only Media outlet that gives people something other than the government side of the argument. It’s no wonder there are those who want to attack him. Is that ring in your nose uncomfortable, Bob?

        • Allan

          Eddie, you know damn well progressives want to shut down conservative speech.

      • angel-wanna-be

        Why don’t you Libs go play in the Freeway!!

        • nj pearson

          Good idea; get it Lefties, Free.

    • gary

      Ok JeffH, what would you like to do? I am with you and have my own ideas. I would first like to hear yours. I will tell you that our bill of rights and our constitution tell us we can. It is called civil war, and its gonna be bloody. I have the stomach for it do you?

      • JeffH

        gary, the realities of it all is that those that support this “social” change in America are going to either be defeated at the polls, wholehardedly, or there will be “bloodshed” dealt by Americans fighting against these “social changing” Americans to preserve our heritage as it has been since the Declaration of Independace, The Bill of Rights, The Constituion and The Articles of Confederation which was declared in Article I. “The Stile of this Confederacy shall be “The United States of America.”

        If a civil war come to fruition to preserve the freedoms our founding fathers created, let us not strike the first blow to but we must strike the final blow.
        God bless America

    • eddie47d

      You almost had me on that one Jeffy. In the end you are the one who comes across as the treasonous liar who loves the politics of cynicism. If these groups can’t be up front in their ads then they better “sh*t or get offthe pot”. Make them responsible for what they say or get them off the airwaves if they are deceitful.

      • bp

        eddie47d; “Make them responsible for what they say or get them off the airwaves if they are deceitful.”
        And just WHO will make that decision? Another commission? Hillary? This bill flies in the face of our constitutional right to free speech and we can only hope and pray that the Senate won’t approve or it will be taken up in the courts. And we already know where SCOTUS stands here. May God Bless and Save the United States of America.

        • Jana


    • JeffH

      Fast eddie, this is just for you, and I hope you can fess up just once. most Americans are just plain tired of the lieing that has taken place in politics and your POTUS just happens to be the worst of the bunch…

      As stated by John Stossel, who ain’t a “right winger” but a very respected, honest and forthright Libertarian…
      January 20, 2010 02:44 PM UTC by John Stossel

      Obama’s Broken Promises
      In a Reason Magazine interview last year, Ted Balaker asked me about my hopes for the incoming Obama administration. “Maybe Obama will be financially responsible,” I said.

      I’m so inclined to wishful thinking.

      It’s now been one year since Obama took office. He promised fiscal responsibility. Then he broke lots of those promises. Here is a list of some:

      Promise #6: No Tax Increase on Families Making Under 250k

      “Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase – not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes,” Obama said in a September 2008 town hall meeting in Dover.

      Reality: In his first year in office, he proposed Cap and Trade, which would be a fat tax on everyone. He increased the cigarette tax by 159 percent, and now we have that proposed tax on fancy health care benefits.

      During the campaign, he criticized John McCain for just suggesting that.

      “My opponent can’t make that pledge [not to raise taxes] and here’s why: for the first time in American history, John McCain wants to tax your health care benefits,” he said in the same speech.

      But now it’s Obama who wants to tax health plans:

      “This reform will charge insurance companies a fee for their most expensive policies,” he said in his health care address to Congress.

      Promise #5: Ban Earmarks

      “We are going to ban all earmarks,” Obama said at a press conference on January 6, 2009.

      Reality: The first spending bill he signed had over 9,000 earmarks.

      Promise #4: I Won’t Force Americans To Buy Insurance

      During the campaign, Obama attacked Hillary Clinton:

      “She believes we have to force people who don’t have insurance,” he said in a primary debate in January 2008.

      In a Feb. 2008 CNN interview, he added: “If a mandate was the solution, we could try that to solve homelessness by mandating that everybody buy a house.”

      Reality: This September, he told Congress: “Under my plan, individuals will be required to carry basic health insurance.”

      Promise #3: Health care negotiations will be on C-SPAN

      Obama promised at least eight times that “we’re going to do all the negotiations on C-SPAN, So the American people will be able to watch.”

      Reality: They haven’t been there.

      Well, briefly. C-SPAN CEO Brian Lamb said, “The only time we’ve been allowed to cover the White House part of it was one hour inside the East Room, which was kind of just a show horse type of thing.”

      Promise #2: Putting bills online

      Obama promised “When there’s a bill that ends up on my desk as President, you the public will have five days to look online, and find out what’s in it before I sign it.”

      Reality: He broke that promise when he singed his first bill, the Fair Pay Act. He’s broken it since, for instance on the Credit Card Bill of Rights and an expansion of the State Children’s Health Insurance Program.

      Promise #1: Cutting spending

      On the campaign trail, Obama promised to cut spending several times. In the second presidential debate, he said that “actually, I am cutting more than I’m spending. So it will be a net spending cut.”

      In the third debate, he reiterated: “what I’ve done throughout this campaign is to propose a net spending cut.”

      Of course, Republicans made claims like that, too. Bush Sr. is famous for his “Read my lips. No new taxes” line. Bush Jr. made statements like “Prosperity requires restraining the spending appetite of the federal government.”

      Read more:

      Obama is a treasonous liar and in the end the rule of law will deal the final blow to his presidency.

      • JC

        The rule of law…yes, provided we still have some honest and American Supreme Court Justices.

        • JeffH

          JC, point taken…just hoping the assault on the Supreme Court justices pays dividends 10 fold…that kind of hope I can get behind…

          • JC

            I think they can see which way the wind is blowing.

      • eddie47d

        Jeff, Healthcare industry just raised rates 20% 3days ago on many of their subscribers. Obamas plan hasn’t even kicked in yet and they (private insurers) are gouging us once again. I think there are alot of treasonous liars out there. We’re being milked from all sides and most peoples paychecks can’t take it anymore. I’m almost sorry I retired a few months ago. Whether one party or the other get’s control in November it won’t make any difference in job creation.Alternative energy jobs helped but hasn’t come close to replacing all the jobs that were sent overseas. There are new inventions but mostly from companies that already exsist so no job gain. Our colleges have been pumping out thousands of brilliant minds for eons yet our greatness is sliding. We can’t mandate what courses these students take but something is amiss.Too many students want easy street right up front so they give up on the challanges of the future. That puts all political parties in a bind in getting this country moving. That’s one thing I can agree on the immigration issue. If we have to send them home (if that is the law) then give all these high school graduates,unemployed college graduates,welfare folks,ect. the opportunity to work the immigrants jobs. Maybe they will appreciate this country more and we can rebuild from the ground up .

        • JeffH

          …you just fail to realize who’s leading the milkers…get a clue just once in your life…do the research to keep yourself informed..Obama is a Marxist student, a student of communism…he believes in communism…he is a practicing Marxist/communist/socialist…but you have never checked his background through many and various websites and his fundamental attack on America, the Constitution, and it’s meaning to America.
          It is people just like yourself that “won’t” do your homework and just “trust” what you hear and see through the media networks that are being cajoled by this POTUS.

          • http://NONE COLLEEN

            You are right on the money!! God help us all, The 60′s loons are running the asylum

          • eddie47d

            ALL sides Jeff ALL sides are milking it. I do plenty of homework and keep on searching. I probably watch Fox as much as MSNBC but I rather read than watch TV.

          • Jana

            But eddie, you have to LISTEN with your ears open and See with your eyes open. You listen and see through filters and only take in and believe the lies.

        • angel-wanna-be

          eddie, be glad you’ve retired, the old man and I are in our mid fifties, we’ll die working!

          • libertytrain

            ditto for us.

          • Claire

            angel-wanna-be–And I will no doubt die at my desk.

          • angel-wanna-be

            Claire and Liberty Train, It’s sad, but the days of our Fathers, working 8 hours a day, and retiring in 30 years for the same company, with full pension benefits are nearly gone._ Years ago, Both employees and employers prospered!__Ans what is wrong with being properous?__None of us never worked for a poor man!___but Private industry & Privately owned Companies, weren’t NEARLY so heavily regulated, taxed and manipulated by Government bureaucrats, years back, as they are now. Companies can no longer afford the high cost of 100% paid medical benefits of current & retired employees. One reason because people are living longer. And If Unions are involved, the cost of a Union produced product, as opposed to non-union is quite a scary and the only ones getting rich are the Unions, I was a Union worker for a time.____I look around at our once properous town, and all over are, Vacant Stores, FOR RENT/ FOR SALE / Absolute Auction / Going out of Business Signs and this just hasn’t happened yesterday, this has been happening for years and getting worse. The spirit of the people has been driven onto entitlements, I work with the public and hear and see a lot. As I’ve said many times on here, if you DON”T punch a cash register, work for yourself, or are into computers, or the medical field, leaving town to find work is your only option, it’s quite depressing.__ This oppression of the American People by our Government, has got to stop!__ My prayer is for God’s intervention, to open up Washingtons eyes, to the needs of it’s people. God’s our only hope, because Washington alone has fallen!

          • libertytrain

            angel – your comments were well said and probably accurate for most of us, all over this fine land of ours…. thanks

        • JC

          eddie, I think you just summed up the results of too many years of subliminal socialism in America.

        • DaveH

          The Treasonous Liars are running our country right now (and into the ground). Obama and his ilk are trampling the same Constitution that they swore to uphold. If that isn’t treason, I don’t know what is.
          As far as your rant about healthcare, Eddie, why don’t you and your Liberal buddies get together and start your own healthcare companies and save us all? Don’t tell me you don’t know how, as all I hear from Liberals is how intelligent they are. Put your money where your mouth is.

      • Kim

        JeffH,read my lips no new taxes, well if you remember, the dems stonewalled on the budget for months over a .10 a gallon gas tax, Bush Sr. compromised with the dems on a .05 gas tax to keep the government running and stop all of the furlows caused by the dems. It was just one of their tactics so they could win the next election with Slick Willie, pass the the Buck Clinton

      • kate8

        JeffH, Good posts.

        Don’t forget, during Osurper’s campaign, he said he was going to get rid of NAFTA. When Canadian officials called him, upset, he told them not to worry, it was just “campaign rhetoric”.

        I’d say that all of his promises (except ones like his promise to skyrocket electricity and spread the wealth) were just “campaign rhetoric”.

        We’ve got a POTUS (and his minions) who think that lying is acceptable if it gets them where they want to go. I’ve known people like that. It seems that lying just isn’t that big a deal anymore.

        I’m sure it’s just another tactic to violate trust, make people feel disenfranchised, and dissolve the system. No relationship of any kind can endure without trust.

    • Tim Layman

      Are you folks insane, or do you just simply side with the obstructionist republican party because you’re so brain-washed that it’s easier than looking at the facts. This article is best used for toilet paper. Who, in their right mind, would want BP and other big corporations to control who gets elected. The constitution refers to “We the people,” not greedy corporations. Also, the NRA is exempt from the rule, for some reason. I for one want to know who is buying our elected officials. You may hate the Obama administration, but this thing is bigger than that: this is your country at steak. don’t believe everything the paranoid neo-con machine tells you. Check the facts. Find out the truth!

      • JBB

        This law is all about intimidating “WE THE PEOPLE” from giving money to smaller PACs or conservative groups. The traitorous NRA caved in and exempted itself. And this bill creates mountains of paperwork for these smaller groups who don’t gave the gazillions of dollars that the Big Boys have. Why does the government want the names of every day people who donate money? It’s intimidation, pure and simple. There’s already repercussions if we dare think other than The Big O. We are moving toward thought police.If you can’t see that, then you are pc and haven’t experienced the threats to those, for example, who want to protect the Constitution. If the name-calling was directed at you, you might understand. If the railroading of highly despised legislation thru sweet deals, pay offs, and lies is just fine with you, then I don’t think you’ll ever wake up. There are lots of people who remember back further in time when America was respected everywhere, she was strong, she stood for liberty and truth. She wore the white hat (symbolically, the good guy). America was not perfect (lest the nitpickers start getting wound up) but America was the most preferable country on earth to live in. We are losing this!
        Yes, I am a conservative. And all I want is to preserve the Constitution, our freedoms and rights, and remain strong. And I see unprecedented danger all around me. It’s a sliding slope. Have we become so gullible as to let ourselves be led by the nose straight into socialism? We have allowed these freedoms to slide little by little, so that many haven’t noticed. They will some day wake up and find themselves smack dab in the middle of Socialist America and wonder how the heck they got there!!
        Can’t we agree on the Constitution as our foundation, stop hating each other, and work together to make our country better? That’s my prayer.

        • JeffH

          …at least the NRA still has the voice that can speak…that is a positive coice. Other corporations,groups and organizations muzzeled by this law won’t be able to voice their opinions and choices when the final push comes to shove. Call them a traitor if you will, but I’m going to consider that they kept their freedom of speech and “expression” intact, alive and well which to me remains a voice for freedom. I’ll put my pride second in order to have my membership maintain a voice first.
          Just an FYI…the NRA has never endorsed Dirty Harry Reid…for those that think of it…

          • Al Sieber

            This isn’t the first time the NRA sold out, check out “Gun Owner’s Of America”.

          • JeffH

            Sorry you feel betrayed Al, I’m a member of GOA also…sold out? I don’t think so!…keeping a voice for the second Amendment…I think so!…

          • DaveH

            Yes, Jeff, sold out. They obviously had the power to stop the Bill or there would have been no deals. I hope the NRA sees their membership decline like the AARP has seen their membership decline since they showed their true colors.
            If we don’t hang together, then we will hang separately.

          • angel-wanna-be

            DaveH, Quite Frankly Dave, I’m sick of all these so called groups. NRA, GOA, All are well intended at the fore, but end up growing so large, for so long_ example, memberships grow, people die, and the offspring, a new generation is bred, most times never understanding, or caring enough to learn the history, of why the group was started to begin with__much like our pre-programmed, revisionist public education today. Unions are a prime example!__Originally I believe were well intened for the mill worker, when started, but now have grown so large and corrupt, the good intentions are gone.

          • Al Sieber

            They’ve made deals with the Brady bill and the 1968 “Hitler” gun bill, I would say their traitors.

          • coal miner


            I too belong to the NRA and I never ever registered my guns.I buy my guns at yard sales,not at gun stores. When they try to force people to give up their guns rights,that is when I hide my weapons.In the mountains they would have a hard time finding them.Guns are a guaranteed right, not a privileged.I am with you on the NRA and I still say its a good organization.Nothing is perfect.

          • JeffH

            Al, I geb=nerally agree with a lot of what you have to say, but I’d be remiss to not ask you to explain yourself with some clear examples…please. I’m asking because maybe you know more than I do, that’s all…Anybody, tell me why I shouldn’t trust the NRA with good and valid reasons.

          • JeffH

            I’m also not going to argue whether or not the NRA has become too political, because they are…but where is the balance, once an organization reaches monument proportions, balance becomes a tough nut to keep un-cracked…to play the game you have to have the tools needed…

        • independant thinker

          “All restriction on political speech is repugnant,” Wayne LaPierre, executive vice president of the gun owners’ group, told USA TODAY.

          “Am I happy that the NRA’s tongue is not cut for the 2010 … elections? Absolutely,” he said. “Do we still think this bill is unconstitutional? Absolutely.”

          NUF SAID

      • Bill J

        Hey Tim! Drive a stake through that steak!!

        • AmericanJoe

          Thanks, Bill I wanted to say that…

        • Tim Layman

          Thank you for pointing out my grotesque, spelling mistake. I sincerely hope I have not offended anyone.

      • bp

        TimLayman; “Our country is at steak”; that’s about right, chopped steak if this DISCLOSE act (don’t you just love these deceitful titles, NOT!) passes the Senate. The reason the NRA is exempt from this bill is because they showed their strength by declaring they would fight it, and the House blinked! WE THE PEOPLE must do the same, for the same reasons. The Marxist/Communist/Socialists love unions and demonize corporations, a faux enemy. “Neo-con” does not even come close to the sane, thoughtful folks I have met on this PERSONAL LIBERTY commentary. Tim, eddie47d, please keep your liberal nonsense to yourselves. The very future of our beloved country is at stake!!!!!

        • JC

          Certainly it’s being butchered.

      • DaveH

        For Tim,
        From Einstein:
        “Insanity, doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.”
        Sounds like Liberals to me. Socialism has failed miserably throughout history and yet the Liberals aspire to it.

        You Liberals whine about the Greedy Corporations incessantly. Yet I have had no corporation, unlike Liberals, try to force me to buy anything. You Liberal call Corporations greedy, yet you have no trouble forcibly relieving others of their hard-earned money. Just why is it that you Liberals behave worse than those you despise, and yet you still pretend to occupy the moral highground?

        • coal miner


          You quoting another bad liberal.

          Albert Einstein was a German born Physicist and Labour Zionist and member of the Jewish Left wing.He is best known for his ground breaking work in Physics such as the Theory of Relativity and E = mc2(now synonymous with Algebra and Math). He is considered a genius and his brain is the largest on record. He published over 300 scientific works and over 150 non-scientific works such as “Why Socialism?”.

          • DaveH

            One of our human failings is excessive hubris. If we are genius in one field, many of us think that makes us genius in everything else. Sorry, Coal Miner, but it’s not true.
            If Socialism is the answer, then maybe you can tell me why it’s failed miserably everywhere that it was fully implemented?

        • Tim Layman

          “Insanity, doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.”

          You mean like what the republicans did, and still want to do, with health care for the twelve years they controlled the government.

          • DaveH

            Our healthcare problems don’t come from a lack of Government involvement. Rather they are a result of too much Goverment meddling. I don’t care which party does the meddling. It’s time they butt out and treat us like adults who are fully capable of making our own healthcare choices, especially now with all the information available on the Internet.
            Read this Tim:

          • DaveH
      • angel-wanna-be

        Tim Layman, C’mon Tim, are you that gullible?__Can’t you see, that’s already ready happened?____that a virtually unknown Senator Obama, with 151 days experience as Senator, whose only forte’ is an Community Organizer, with a Secret “paid to hide Past”, that defies publication at every turn__who was raised in a Communist/Muslim up bringing, You can’t see an imposter has indeed infiltrated the White House??___ Soros and the Unions, got that boy in there, and that’s all he is, and in-experienced boy!___Why do you think the Unions are exempt from this?__It is you that needs to find the truth, and pray, you know when you see it!!!

    • JLC

      JeffH — Have you considered running for president?

      • JeffH

        …Not even a remote possibility, but you can bet if it were ever possible I could and would work to reconstruct a constitutional form of government by the people and for the people and surround myself with everyday, walk of life Americans that understand right from wrong…

        • http://naver samurai

          Well, JeffH it is official. I’ve been asked to make a run for the U.S. Senate in 2012 for Indiana. I’m still considering it and have till Monday to answer. If any of you fellow patriots have any suggestions, please let me know.

          • Claire

            samurai–I am not in Indiana but I say go for it!

          • Al Sieber

            samurai, why don’t you move to Ariz. and run for senate? you have a good chance against McCain.

          • JeffH

            samurai, you’ll have my full support all the way from Cali…

          • DaveH

            Oh Please, People, Samurai is a religious bigot. Just what we need to further divide our country. Aren’t there enough people in Congress who don’t respect their fellow man?

          • Jana

            By al means yes, go for it. DaveH called you a religious bigot, but the man in the White House has brought the Islamic religion in to the White House and we need Godly representatives in there. Just make sure if you do that you stay well grounded, and God speed.

          • DaveH

            So, Jana, you want to behave like the Muslims and use force against anybody not believing your way? That’s is how Samurai strikes me. Maybe I’m wrong, but when somebody says (as Samurai did) that you should be taken out like yesterday’s trash because you don’t believe their religion, I think that is pretty Muslim-like thinking.

          • Jana

            I haven’t read that particualr post of his. Maybe he could explain that, and of course I don’t believe we should force religion on anyone. God has given us the right to beleive or reject, and he didn’t call us to be the enforcers. This is what Muhammad thought, that his god had called him to be an enforcer. This is one reason why I know his (Muhammad) god is a false god. Muhammad is a flase prophet.

          • http://naver samurai

            Dave H., who are you to judge me? We may not agree on certain topics, but how am I a bigot? I married a woman who is minority in this nation (She;s from Korea), I don’t say that we should do Stalinist tactics like purges and other things, I do believe that our founding fathers used their belief in God in the founding of this country. God had his hand in this from the settling of this continent till now. If you don’t agree with me, fine. You don’t have to agree or believe the same way I do, but we all have to live with the decisions we make in this life. I’d rather stand tall before God at the day of judgement, than quiver and shake because of the bad life I lived on earth. Am I perfect? No, far from it, believe me. I have friends of all different races, religions, both genders, in different countries, get e-mails from people I’ve helped in Iraq, etc., if this sound like a bigot to you, fine. If I remember right, you are the one who claimed to be an atheist and tried campaigning on site about how our christian founding fathers didn’t put God into the mix in the building of this nation. Don’t forget, Thomas Jefferson signed all his documents..”In the year of our Lord…”, meaning the recognition of God, Jesus, or both. Read George Washington’s farewell speech and even in 1889 the Supreme Court even said that this is a christian nation. “God governs the affairs of men”, Ben Franklin. My hometown there once was a person who claimed to be atheist and had the ACLU file suit against my hometown. Why? Because it had a copy of the 10 Commandments on the lawn next to the city hall. After filing, the man moved to another town 2 weeks later. It also seems, after the police checked him out, that he had done similar things in Kentucky and other areas of Indiana. He also received money from the ACLU everytime he filed a case, so what do you think is the correct answer to this question? I don’t belong to any of the 2 parties, I just want this country to come back to the ways of common sense, reason, and the ways our christian founding fathers had envisioned this country. No hand outs and earning what you get. We even tell our own children many of these things we talk about on site. How can you deny these things, I don’t know. Good luck with your life and may God give you the insight to believe, ask forgiveness, and try to take this country back to the ways we were founded. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • DaveH

            I said “Religious Bigot”. That is bigotted against people who don’t subscribe to your religion. Do you deny that you said what I accused you of saying?

          • DaveH

            I guess we can add Misinformer to your title, Samurai.
            Samurai says “If I remember right, you are the one who claimed to be an atheist and tried campaigning on site about how our christian founding fathers didn’t put God into the mix in the building of this nation.”
            No, you don’t remember right. Show me the comment where I said that. You can’t because I didn’t.

        • Palin12

          JeffH, how about running for Congress against Pigosi?

    • http://None John

      Why not just throw out our Constitution anyway. The very item their oath of office requires them to protect they ignore. This is witnessed by the amount of illegal aliens already in this country, AND, since they did NOT do their jobs of protecting and defending it…now they want to chage it because it will increase the number of people voting for them amd wether they speak english in certainly of no importance. Npw they are trying to take away free speech. They don’t care what we want they just do whatever they want. They sneak, lie, hide and do everything they can do ruin our country. They all, every one of them who has done nothing to control our borders and moreover who wants the illegal amnesty need to be impeached for not doing their job and protecting and defending our Constitution. Or let’s just let it go on until the document our Founding Fathers Wrote has been renamed Obama’s Constipation. We need to examine the voting records for each and every item and law they have voted on and if it is not what “We the People Wanted” VOTE THEM ALL OUT OF OFFICE.

    • AdamP

      As usual the ruling class used the trick of hiding the long end of the stick (the end they get) behind the shiny short end they show us. I agree with one point of that bill. Campaign money should be transparent. But the CONTRIBUTORS are not the ones who should be required to disclose who they wish to support. It’s the campaigners. I can’t remember the comedian who said it, but they should have to be like NASCAR drivers. They should have to list every single contributor. They should have to have a list of credits just like a medical disclaimer at the end of every advertisement. And as for that bill…. We need a constitutional amendment banning earmarks forever. Each program or purpose should have to be debated openly in seperate bills. We’re not going to run out of numbers any time soon to identify them with. Really, what the h*** do student loans have to do with health care? Lastly the president should be given veto not just over a whole bill, but line-item as well. (Yep this bill’s good enough, but that part’s out..fix it…that part’s out…yea right… savvy?)

  • Al Sieber

    Novembers too far away, they need to go now.

    • bp

      Hang in there Al; just four months! We THE PEOPLE can do this; it’s already begun.

    • http://naver samurai

      Be patient and stick to your convictions. It’s too late to turn back now.

  • Fly By Night

    New Hampshire here…

    Yes, Impeach Obama before it’s too late…

    • Pen

      I’m with you Fly By Night. We have great grounds for impeaching Obama, but we need someone in office to bring forth the charges.

      • Anthony

        The House Judiciary Committee decides whether or not to proceed with impeachment. If they do…
        The Chairman of the Judiciary Committee will propose a Resolution calling for the Judiciary Committee to begin a formal inquiry into the issue of impeachment.
        Based on their inquiry, the Judiciary Committee will send another Resolution to the full House stating that impeachment is warranted and why (the Articles of Impeachment), or that impeachment is not called for.
        The Full House (probably operating under special floor rules set by the House Rules Committee) will debate and vote on each Article of Impeachment.
        Should any one of the Articles of Impeachment be approved by a simple majority vote, the President will be “impeached.” However, being impeached is sort of like being indicted of a crime. There still has to be a trial, which is where the US Senate comes in.

        AS you see, base on the constitution guidelines of the impeachment process, the cards are stack in the President Obama favor, the Democrats rule the Judiciary committee, they rule the house of representatives, so impeachment is not happening,

    • JeffH

      Fly By Night…yes, I agree, and there are some like Congressman Steve King (R-IA)that couldn’t help but mention the “lack of a most famous birth certificate” during debate on the House Floor. Listen carefully so you don’t miss it during this video.

      In extended remarks about how every American baby is born owing US Government Debt, he let this slip: “Little baby with ink on their foot, stamped right there on the birth certificate – there’s one in this country we haven’t seen,’” he said. “But the footprints on those we have seen. Those little babies owe Uncle Sam $44,000.”

  • Al Sieber

    I guess it’s time to start shooting the dog’s for peeing on the tree of liberty.

  • http://personallibertdigest gailen val oliver

    obama is not for the constitution on which we rely upon, he is out to change the world and be hailed as a world leader. this man is dangerous and so is congress. let us pray that god will intervene,, gailen val oliver

    • jimminety bop

      Forget God taking action – gather your guns!

      Everyone of voting age should read these two books: Don’t buy them, just get them from the library.

      From Dreams of My Father: “I ceased to advertise my mother’s race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites.”

      From Dreams of My Father: “I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother’s race.”

      From Dreams of My Father: “There was something about her that made me wary, a little too sure of herself, maybe and white.”

      From Dreams of My Father: “It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.”

      From Dreams of My Father: “I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn’t speak to my own. It was into my father’s image, the black man, son of Africa , that I’d packed all the attributes I sought in myself: the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.”

      And FINALLY ……… and most scary:

      From Audacity of Hope:
      “I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”

      • JC

        The Kenyan is Openly Anti-American.

      • Jana

        jimminety b,
        These sayings were put out and even sent out as emails before the election but so many people just don’t pay attention. They are too busy being led around by the nose. They think they are so wise, yet they are not. eddie with a size 4 hat is a prime example. These people buy into the lies that the new Democrat Party of the Marxist Communists are trying to sell. It is sad and shameful, but they run around so proudly acting like they are soooo smart.

        • bp

          Jana; The MSM never asked the tough questions, never vetted, never defined BHO’s brand of Change and Hope.

          • Jana

            And they still aren’t and it seems they never will. They have bought into the lies and aren’t aware that their rights are being eroded right out in front of them. They are blind.

      • Marc

        “I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”-Fiction!
        This is a corruption of a quote from Obama’s book The Audacity of Hope. It is from a section that talks about the concerns of immigrants who are American citizens.

        Here is the accurate and more complete quote: “Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific assurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”

        • bp

          Marc; Same quote, same meaning. What is your point? BHO is a Muslim.

          • Jana

            The bad thing here is Obama is letting illegal immigration happen in our country and he is standing with them too. He is a Muslim, he doesn’t like the way our country is or what it has stood for so he has been voted into office by idiots who just heard the words HOPE AND CHANGE, but didn’t bother to find out what that meant to him. Unfortunately we are now seeing that it meant TURN OUR COUNTRY INTO A MARXIST COMMUNIST COUNTRY AND MAKE THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES VOID. DO ANY ALL THINGS TO DESTROY THE VALUES THAT THIS COUNTRY HAS EVER STOOD FOR.
            Now I realize some really smart (alec) person who has spaghetti for brains will try to bring up slavery, but anyone with any common sense at all will know exactly what I am talking about, and it is not going back to slavery either!(That was for those who just want to provoke an arguement)

        • jimmenity bop

          Maybe if these American Muslims stood up and raised some hell when the terrorists strike American interests, people would look at them a little differently. But, it is hard to trust someone that worships from the same book that these camel F _ _ _ _ _’s use as their guiide as to who lives and who dies and then remains completely mum when “their’ adopted country is attacked by these scum!
          I don’t trust any of them and believe they would turn on their fellow Americans if it looked like the terrorists were about to get the upper hand!
          I wish that we had a President that had the guts to say “No more immigration, legal or otherwise by any from nations that are predominately Muslim. And now the word goes out that we will withdraw our troops and leave these people to their barbarian tribal mentality with the word that we desire to live in peace with them but let it be known by all of any country where terrorists plan and plot and to the citizens of those countries that when Amrican interests are attacked in the future that when it is found out from which country the terrorists originated that country will be turned in to a parking lot. So, if you have a friend or family that is involved in terrorism you would be wise to talk them out of any attacks because not only will they be turned to ash but so will you, your home, loved ones and country.”
          Their religion comes first and it is as insane as they are.

          • DaveH

            All anybody needs to do is look up the countries on this list and see how many of them allow religious freedom:

            Once they achieve majority (or even close) you can kiss your freedom (what little we have left) goodbye.

          • Tim Layman

            You have this paranoid, distrust of muslims but to tell you the truth I don’t see any difference fundamentalist muslims and fundamentalist christians: both groups are a collection of whack-jobs, and both will cut your throat if you don’t believe what they believe.

        • Allan

          Obama’s words warned us he would spend more time currying favor with “oppressed” minorities than considering the victims of 9/11. This was on display again in his arrogant support for terrorist trials in NY. Shameful.

      • bp

        Jimminetybop; Not so fast. We do not want move forward without GOD (the Christian Jehovah, not allah or any other god). This country was built by His Providence and He alone will redeem it, for His Glory, not ours.

        • jimmenity bop

          BP, There may be a God and then again there might not. I am not sure but I believe that all commandments that supposedly came from him, came to one person. Did a group of people ever hear these words he is supposed to have spoken? Maybe those words were the imaginings of someone that wanted to be in the “In Crowd” and so said that he heard from God. You know, sort of like those that needed attention and so built upon the stories of those that started the UFO thing back in the 50′s.
          An all knowing power had to know what would happen to his creation, the Earth, because of over-population but yet is supposed to have the people of Earth to go forth and multiply. i don’t know about him but I wouldn’t make a thing of beauty and then invite people to do that which I knew would destroy my creation!
          In Genesis 35:2 we are told that anyone that works on Sunday or the Sabbath (whatever day that is to you in your religion)should be put to death. That a fire is not to be laid on that day. I guess we were not to heat our homes or cook on that day. Sounds to me like the rantings of some one that got it wrong!
          If you believe in carbon dating why don’t we find skulls from millions of years ago that anywhere resemble todays modern man. Evolution or Creation?
          If there is a God, I believe that organized religion got it all wrong and He is getting blamed or getting credit for a lot of stuff He has nothing to do with.
          If a tree falls and kills a person “Oh what a shame!” If it misses that person”By the grace of God it missed him!”
          You will never convince me that he is pulling the stings on everyone’s life from cradle to grave. Do you know what planning it would take to plot the choices in life of 3000 people to bring them all together in the Twin Towers on 9/11 to have them meet the death that was planned for them when they were born!???
          Someone sent me an e-mail telling of all the people that excaped that death by being late for 100′s of different reasons and then suggested that God was looking out for them. Guess he didn’t give a rat’s butt about the 3000 that died!
          We need the principles of the 10 Commandments. If they hadn’t been created when they were, man would have come up with them eventually – they are common sense of any sane thinking pwerson but tha is as far as it goes. You are captain of your ship and you are opretty much on your own.
          I don’t know if you believe these nuts that are placing hands on heads and curing all kinds of diseases but if you do get in touch with those “healers” and have them go down to the VA hopital and grow some new legs, arms, hands, feet, new faces etc etc etc!

          • coal miner


            All religions are a joke as well all governments.If you got liberal,conservative,or moderate governments,you got corruption.The IWW is the wave of the future.

          • Jana

            jimmenity b,
            Most of the time you really have some good things to say and I do agree with you on those.
            On the matter of you are not sure about God, it is because you really don’t comprehend what the Bible is telling us. God is not treating us like robots, pulling the strings of each individual person. That is not His intent.
            I pray that one day you will understand and the Truth will be illuminated to you.
            Meanwhile we all keep trudging along.

        • DaveH

          Then, BP, you do not understand freedom. We will never achieve it as long as people don’t respect the free choices of their fellow man.

          • http://naver samurai

            As long as it isn’t immoral, unethical, or illegal, it’s OK. Also if it doesn’t adversely affect another persons rights of life, liberty, or pursuit of happiness (Endowed by our Creator—God), then it is OK also.

          • DaveH

            Sounds to me like Freedom doesn’t mean much to you, Samurai, unless it’s your way.
            Most people would agree that theft is wrong. But somehow many of that group exempt the Government.
            Most people would agree that killing (except in self-defense) is wrong. But, again, somehow many of that group exempt the Government.
            There are many religious morals that are meant to protect individuals from themselves. That’s fine as long as it’s kept to advice. When it becomes force of law, that’s a different story. There are several reasons why morals, such as those that only protect individuals from themselves, should not be enforced by Government. Number one is that it is just plain immoral in itself to force your personal morals on other people. Number two, and probably more important, is that people resent being told what to do. That resentment leads to rebellious behavior leading the affected people to do things, that they might not otherwise have been inclined to do, just to spite the do-gooder authoritarians. Number three, experience is the best teacher. If people are left to make their own mistakes they learn much faster and more permanently, then if they are forced to comply to those well-intentioned morals. I will repeat, since Samurai has a hard time getting my comments straight, that I am talking about victimless crimes where people only harm themselves.

        • http://naver samurai

          100% agree! This is the 100% truth, I don’t care what other people say. I’m also tired of seeing the ACLU and other groups trying to force God, Jesus, etc., back into the church. Our school are also supposed to teach christianity. Just look at the Northwest Ordinance of 1789, signed by George Washington. In 1889, the Supreme Court decreed that “We are a Christian nation”. Let us take this country back from those who seek to destroy it from the inside. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • kate8

        Seems like, to Obama, it’s always been all about race.


        • Jana

          Obama is a divider, he is definitely not a unifier.

          • JeffH

            So obvious too…

          • JeffH

            …as in the Alinsky tactic of “divide and conquer”…

  • Paul The Libertarian

    Obama The Usurper and Liar has to go NOW. Send Pelosi, Ried with him, then pillory Hillary. Impeach him NOW, don’t give the Arab time to resign.

  • Ellen

    Thank God this act was established! The corporations are already running the world, and nobody voted for them!

    • JeffH

      Ellen, certainly a blindfolded statement. How does corruption begin?
      You cannot have corruption without someone willing to become corrupt!
      Blame the corporations, if you will, for offering, but they are only supporting those willing to accept…Corruption is rampant in government and the Blagovich trial, WH regarding a job offer made to Rep. Joe Sestak of Pennsylvania if he would drop out of his primary race against Senator Arlen Specter. A Washington insider reveals that the commander-in-chief unscrupulously tried using a federal judgeship to resolve an internal White House political problem. In the hopes of avoiding an impending scandal, Obama offered his first White House counsel, Gregory Craig, a federal judgeship in exchange for his resignation. Craig declined the offer and was subsequently ousted from his White House position.

      Considering the president’s history, it’s completely feasible to assume that that he’s using a Supreme Court appointment to assure that a trusted political ally Elena Kagan is in place to protect his healthcare legislation when it comes before the High Court, according to Judicial Watch.

      corruption: cor·rup·tion[ kə rúpsh'n ]cor·rup·tions Plural

      1. dishonesty for personal gain: dishonest exploitation of power for personal gain
      2. depravity: extreme immorality or depravity
      3. undesirable change: an undesirable change in meaning or another error introduced into a text during copying
      4. corrupting of something: the corrupting of something or somebody, or the state of being corrupt
      5. linguistics altered word or phrase: a word or phrase that has been altered from its original form
      6. rotting: rotting or putrefaction, or the state of being rotten or putrid ( archaic )

    • bp

      Ellen; You are sadly misinformed. Business is choked by government taxes and regulation, which is why we have 10% unemployment.

    • Allan

      Why is it liberals think that people in government automatically have their interest more at heart than people who work in the private sector? When election time comes, 1 out 6 people works for government, and they are likely to vote in the manner that provides the most pay and perks.

  • Elvin

    Why would anyone want the corporations to have that much power?
    No one voted for them. and why should they have the same rights as individuals?
    And how come you never post my comments?

    • alex ,sandiego

      but its ok for china and the whole middle east to contribute to obama?

    • alex ,sandiego

      but its ok for china and the whole middle east to contribute to obama?
      its not a duplicate if you havent published it

      • Marc

        so do you have figures….and links to support them…. for that ?

        • Jana

          Have you not paid attention? Have you not listened to the news? Have you not heard how these different countries speak out in favor of or against certain candidates? Have you not seen some of the discosures that even Obama was not able to hide?
          What about BP the oil company who gave Obama $900,000. in contributions?
          It actually happens to all candidates and they use lobbyists to do their dirty work. Another dirty danme Lobbyists!

          • Jana

            I meant to say another dirty name, Lobbyists.

    • Jon

      Elvin, people DO vote for corporations. They vote as stockholders, not just the big shareholders, but those of lower incomes too, who have retirement funds. They vote at the start of a company, as venture capital investors, banks, creditors, etc. People also vote for corporations with their wallets, every time they decide to buy a corporation’s product. If they have a crappy product, we vote them out – or at least vote for them to change their ways by taking our business elsewhere until they shape up.
      A corporation can’t force us by law or by holding a gun to our heads to buy what they’re selling. They have to provide a service or good in exchange. Even if it was a monopoly, they STILL have to provide a good or service. Corporations have to add some degree of value to the lives of their customers or they would go out of business – whether that value is in the form of a cell phone, or a bicycle, or fuel for our cars, or Ben & Jerry’s ice cream.
      A government by contrast, while it is elected by people, also has the ability to force us to buy WHATEVER they’re selling, whether it’s public education, crappy public housing, a license to do business, A fishing license, foreign aid to countries that hate us, art that most of us would find disgusting, government mandated health care – WHATEVER!
      A corporation is motivated primarily by profit, true. If you find the idea of profit offensive, note that it is tempered by the fact that a corporation MUST respond to it’s customers – it has no choice.

      Government is motivated primarily by power over the lives of the people. Once it has acquired enough power, even elections become optional or at least controlled – for example, by restricting campaign ads run by opposition.

      Of the two, I trust the profit motive far more than the power motive. The corporations just want me to spend money on their stuff. Government wants me to give them my money without recourse or choice, use it for things I can’t support in good conscience, tell me I’m greedy (or racist, or homophobic, or sexist, or whatever)if I protest, and eventually take away any freedom I have. A corporation can’t do that – they have to provide something I actually do want in a fair (or relatively fair) exchange. A corporation would consider it in their best interest if its customers are as successful as possible so that they can sell more stuff. Government’s interest is that people be as UN-successful as possible so people will be dependent on that government.

      • DaveH

        Compared to Liberals, corporations are close to sainthood.

      • Allan

        Yes, as far as I can tell, the same basic humans inhabit government and corporations.

  • J.M.R.

    yes that piece of [offensive word removed] needs to be imeached and it should have been done yesterday. he’s out to destroy our great country and so far he’s doing a good job of it. he has done nothing to help la. with the oil except stand in the way.

    • Pen

      J.M.R. the reason he hasn’t done anything about the oil spill is because he thinks it will help get his “Climate Change Bill” passed.
      I just wonder if Obama made some kind of deal with BP to create this incident? BP after all helped to write the climate change bill that Obama wants passed.

  • Daniel

    Unbelievable what is being attached to legislation and getting run through. Does anybody read what they are voting for? Of course, the way the Democrats have been ramming everything down our throats, what can you do about any of it?

  • s c

    Herr Obummer has borrowed a technique used by Hitler to gain complete control. Hitler claimed he would use only ‘constitutional means’ to ascend to power. Herr Obummer has quietly made Hitler his chief role model.
    In Herr Obummer’s case, he is also using a criminally-inclined AG, a bought and paid for Congress and an arse-smooching media to provide false, contrived legitimacy.
    It is akin to buying off the Supreme Court in an attempt to claim innocence while America is put into bondage (aka ‘legality’ at ANY COST). Quo vadis, Adolf?
    When there is no justice, all claims of legal rule are mere words. There is a day of reckoning coming, and those traitorous vermin who helped this creeping gradualism come to fruition will rue the day they were born. Let them savor the flavor.
    The Revolutionary War was a legitimate form of payback. The next ‘adventure’ will make the first one seem like fun and games.
    May the elected scum who helped give birth to this abomination enjoy every twist and turn of their inevitable downfall. May their ‘friends’ and
    braindead camp-followers see firsthand what real justice is. They have truly earned it.

    • Rusticus

      He is following in the footstep of Bush/Cheney. Had these two criminals been impeached as they should have been and the constitution restored, this wouldn’t have been possible.

      • JeffH

        …maybe you can tell us how that would have changed “what is happening today” by impeaching Bush/Cheney…??? I’m not argueing the “impeach” Bush/Cheney part, I just want to know how it changes things???

      • bp

        Rusticus; “Bush/Cheney”?!!!! To fight a man not running again (finished his two terms) is cowardly enough. Grow up!

      • Allan

        Hope Obama does as much Bush/Cheney bashing as possible before November. There’s room in the tent for more Independents and moderate Democrats.

  • Bob Wire

    Now let me get this straight, disclosure is a Bad Thang?

    • TIME

      Did you read this bill? Can you undersatnd what it means?

      As in do you have the ability to comprehend the results of eroding the 1st Amendment? Perhaps better said, Do you like the ability to speak your mind, read what you wish, watch what you want and speak about it?

      If your answer is yes, then why is it you think this is bill is a good idea?
      >> Explain it in detail,<< So we can all understand why taking a BIG chunk of the 1st Amendment out is a such good thing.
      Lets say we are all slow and can't fathom that impinging our Freedoms is a good thing, so please do explain it.

      Please do keep in mind that the title of the bill is what one can only note as being "100% Deceptive" in nature.
      Thus its 100% BS, do you know what BS is other than a degree one can acquire in a school of higher learning.

      • eddie47d

        Not even 1% B.S. The American people have been asking for campaign reform for decades and we have gotten squat. Now you great defenders of deceptive political ads are covering up the same. There is a truth in advertising law and it should be used in all political ads from all parties.

        • TIME

          Very Slow Eddieee,
          I could have quessed your 100% clueless as per your normal posting, you didn’t read the bill and have no idea whats in it.
          Yet you opine.

          You know thats no differant than going sky diving and not putting on your parachute.

          • JeffH

            Time, thus the #1 slot on the D.A. list. This cretin self incriminates with every comment.

          • eddie47d

            Not as slow as you and Jeff are!Some political ads in America are down right criminal. So please stop supporting their misinformation and support laws that put their feet to the fire. Or don’t you believe in truth in advertising?

          • JeffH

            Time…duh! still can’t understand the alphabet…

        • DaveH

          This is for the non-zealots on the board (that leaves you out, Eddie):

  • Why Name

    I do not understand why republicans are against corporations of all kinds, to include special interest groups such as the NRA, to have to disclose the list of major contributors. WHAT ARE YOU ALL AFRAID OF – that we might finally level the playing field so that big money cannot right roughshod over the entire country – twisted logic if you ask me on the part of the republicans. I say everyone who contributes to any cause, proposed law, and political candidate should have their names and corporate affiliations listed so that everyone can see exactly who supports what. Then, and only then, can we have full transparency. I still want someone to answer me – why is it so bad to ensure that major contributors pushing their agendas need to remain unnamed and non-available for everyone to scrutinize.

  • Why Name

    I should have said as the last – why is it so bad to ensure that major contributors pushing their agendas need to be named and available for everyone to scrutinize. Sorry for the twisting of the sentence – was interrupted and train of thought got lost for a moment.

  • Bob Wire

    Denied information ~GOOD?

    • Airangel

      I think I’m with you on this one Bob…unless I am not understanding correctly…I thought this Disclosure Act was to stop the runaway spending from Domestic and Foreign Companies to control the outcome of and election and put it on a more even playing fields???

      Act (H.R. 5175), sought to strengthen campaign finance disclosure rules in response to the U.S. Supreme Court’s Citizens United ruling in January which reversed decades of legal precedent by ending most limits on corporate election spending.

      Congress worried that the new campaign ground rules set by the Court could make it hard for political campaigns and citizens groups to compete with the big money interests. They also worried that corporations would be free to pour money into non-profit organizations set up or resurrected from dormancy for the express purpose of attacking candidates whose ideas they didn’t like, giving them an advantage over groups that are not financed largely or solely by big money interests. Isn’t this why it was passed to limit and make known who are the contributors and what their agenda is? Although, it should pertain to all and not have “exemptions” for some

      • Glenn

        Did you read the article? Only 2 Republicans voted for this bill.
        The law excludes certain organization like the Unions, among others, that contribute large sums to liberal candidates that will support there liberal agenda. Now does that sound fair?

        • JC

          Exactly right Glenn, the law is tailor made to slant towards socialism by putting everyone but the Unions and surprisingly, the NRA under scrutiny. The libs on this site feel that the law levels the playing field. That is exactly what it does NOT do.
          The Republicans should be able to filibuster this anyway.

          • Marc

            now the truth is out…..the NRA is a left-wing organization……better take their guns away…..

          • JeffH

            The measure requires the listing of the names of the top five donors to an organization running political ads, including unions, businesses and non-profit organizations. … In a concession negotiated over the weekend, House Democrats agreed to an exemption from the disclosure requirements for organizations that have been in existence for a decade, have at least 1 million dues-paying members and do not use any corporate or labor union money to finance their campaign-related expenditures.

            This language makes it seem that the DISCLOSE Act treats union and corporation First Amendment activity equally. Nothing could be further from the truth. As eight former Federal Election Commissioners recently wrote in The Wall Street Journal:

            Perhaps the most striking thing about the Disclose Act is that, while the Supreme Court overturned limits on spending by both corporations and unions, Disclose seeks to reimpose them only on corporations.

            For example, while the Disclose Act prohibits any corporation with a federal contract of $50,000 or more from making independent expenditures or electioneering communications, no such prohibition applies to unions. This $50,000 trigger is so low it would exclude thousands of corporations from engaging in constitutionally protected political speech, the very core of the First Amendment. Yet public employee unions negotiate directly with the government for benefits many times the value of contracts that would trigger the corporate ban

            So while the NRA may have needed a special exemption to avoid the DISCLOSE Acts punitive reporting requirements, unions never needed an exemption because the bill was designed to exempt them from the beginning.

          • bp

            Thank-you, JeffH! Informative, as usual.

        • TIME

          Or say someone like George Soros, or say the Saudi King.
          Now is it more clear.Oh and you have No say in the matter
          at all.

          So how do you think that’s fair or within reason?

          • JeffH

            …we all know who and what this piece of un-constitutonal legislation affects the most…the liar-in-chief and his merry band of sheep…if you can’t let the cat out of the bag then you must create laws that will drown them…

        • Airangel

          OK, I just went and read more on it to get different viewpoints and angles and now I have a better understanding. It looks and feels a lot like the Healthcare bribes and promises to get votes passed in an unethical way….very wrong and troublesome and unconstitutional! Does the Pelosi party ever do anything Patriotic?

          • Bob Wire

            so some information is okay about some people but for others it’s not?

            So rather we allow some discloser or none at all and that’s somehow better?

            What a screwy deal?

            Hows does Unions or the NRA warrant such liberties that others don’t?

            Who else is immunity offered?

            and the process of education is a progressive endeavor by nature of teaching “HOW” to think and not “What” to think. Politic should come afterwards. Othewise is just indoctrination of any brand you might choose.

            Military school the only option that I’m aware of. And even then I question to what degree the academia of “Conservatism” would come into play.

            >>Conservatism (Latin: conservare, “to preserve”)[1] is a political and social philosophy that promotes the maintenance of traditional institutions and opposes rapid change in society. Some conservatives seek to preserve things as they are, emphasizing stability and continuity, while others oppose modernism and seek a return to “the way things were.”[2][3] The first established use of the term in a political context was by François-René de Chateaubriand in 1819, following the French Revolution.[4] The term has since been used to describe a wide range of views. According to Hailsham, a former chairman of the British Conservative Party, “Conservatism is not so much a philosophy as an attitude, a constant force, performing a timeless function in the development of a free society, and corresponding to a deep and permanent requirement of human nature itself”<<

            repeat;"Conservatism is not so much a philosophy as an attitude, a constant force, performing a timeless function in the development of a free society, and corresponding to a deep and permanent requirement of human nature itself"

            That sounds more like a lot of "whoy" to me. A lot of bad attitude for sure! there something many "self proclaimed" conservatives fail to understanding, Evil, mean and nasty, lying and stealing can only be stopped at the "thought level" ~~ in other words , don't even go there! Don't even think it! But you do!!! all the time! and you think everyone else does too!

            You create it! each one of you. We make this world we live in with our collective "thoughts" .

            As a child I was strongly disciplined for attitude. At 13 ,my father was scolding me one day and I placed my hands on my hip striking a defiant pose. He gave me a man size beating for it. I'm not suggesting this is good or right ~ but only sharing with you the notion. You stop bad behavior and bad actions at the thought level.

            But you'll don't do that, ~ You think up every evil thing that can be thought of and accuse others of "your" thoughts.

            That's a pretty sad state of affairs and the rest of us are left wondering where t'a hell did that come from?

            I think the "more" we know about "anything" is a good thing. But it needs to be something "known" and not contrived.

            You people are not talking like conservatives unless you've just woke up from a coma, having a mini-ball bounce off your head during the siege of the Alamo.

        • Marc

          Can you supply a link showing that exemption for Labor Unions? My reading of the bill doesn’t find it.

  • gary

    Let the war begin!

  • http://firefox/dogwood william g munson

    polosi sign the paper that Obama was a citizen and new he was not and was suppose to be two people sign the paper and she should be put in jail or put out of the country, she is a traitor to out nation and Obama is also one, he is admitted he is not born here and he is lied too many times and does not regard the Constitution either, and should be put in jail and put out of the Country and don,t forget the beating he should receive for the harm he has done, they wipped {JESUS} and he don,t no wrong!!! and He has admitted he I a muslum

    • eddie47d

      When did he admit he wasn’t born here? We’d like to know and I don’t think Jesus would like you using His name to deframe someone.

      • JC

        Can’t answer that one eddie, but I can say that Michelle calls Kenya “his Homeland”.
        That and everything about the man is a lie…
        He is not my President. He is an imposter.

        • eddie47d

          Alot of people talk about their homeland as where their ancestors came from. What is so odd about that? We hear it all the time when we Americans talk abot geneology.

          • TIME

            Very Slow Eddieee,
            I am black and yet I am also Spanish, Irish, French and Native American all of whom have been the stock of what I have been grown from.
            Yet they as well myself all have only one true homeland That is the “United States of America!”
            Thats what I tell folks when asked,”I am an American & dam Proud of it.”

            As a sitting Pres who’s Grandparents as well his parents were all Marxist as per the posier twinkies own words.
            I also have no question in my mind that he was born in Africa as the time line is not congruent with his being born in the United States.

          • JC

            That’s true eddie, I might refer to Ireland as the “Old Sod”, but America is my homeland.
            In Barry’s case it’s because he was born in Kenya. His grandmother even says so.
            There are so many reasons this guy is not eligible to hold the office of POTUS it’s astounding. Only “blind” faith would have any reasonable person see it otherwise.
            Why has he got so many court injunctions in place to keep people from exposing his past?
            Why wouldn’t he just put it all to rest if he has nothing to worry about….why?

          • TIME

            I Agree on your last statment 100%, you don’t spend a few Million dollars hiding Info, if you don’t have a lot to hide! and you don’t use the DOJ to beat down anyone who asks questions or bring a law suit. JFTR, We the Tax payers are footing that bill oh and also paying Perkins & Cole who – JFRT bill out at crazy amounts.

            Again what I was able to dig up is not much but enough to make anyone who has any brain power ask many questions. I will post this Again for you that can grasp this info here it is.a
            There is NO record of any name change in the US Court System for one Barry Soetoro to { Brack MOHAMMAD Hussain Obama.}
            The only intel I could get was that one Barry Soetoro was here as an Forign student on aid.

            Others have found up to 16 Social Security Numbers to Barck Mohammed Hussain Obama, that again all are congruent with his age etc.

            The one that BarryO is using now and has used for a the last few years is from a state he has never been employed in, nor lived in.
            Again enought to raise many questions.

          • DaveH

            How come, Eddie, you want full disclosure of corporations running political ads, but you don’t want full discloser from the actual politician? Kind of a one-sided guy, aren’t you?

        • angel-wanna-be

          JC, Yes Michelle Obamam did let the cat outta the bag, about her husbands homeland in Kenya, and on a video in youtube to boot!

    • Marc

      hmmmm….you’d think a real American would have a better command of the language…..

      • DaveH

        Public Schools. Need I say more?

  • flame

    i thank all who love and support the real america. i know we are going to win as we the people of all colors make up this amazing nation…we are all under attack by these evil doers…we cannot and will not be silenced by traitors and their defiance of the original constitution…

  • Sandra Hyatt

    Let’s see Corporations, groups of AMERICAN CITIZENS banning togather, small businesses,who by the way Hire, (and give most of us a living to support our families) have to disclose all donations and give a detailed list to the Authorities. However!!! Acorn, Seicu, Unions, people from foreign countries,do not. This is what Democrats feel is fair!!!!! What planet do you people live on. I have NEVER KNOWN a poor person hireing a person for enough to support a family. Level playing field, NO ONE will have anything if you get your way but the top of the Communist party. YOU are being used for their gain they are NOT helping you.

    • bp

      Good point, Sandra Hyatt.

    • Bob Wire

      i might be wrong, but wasn’t Acorn ~ ? let me check! back in a minute,

      I pulled up political contribution of acorn and here what I got

      Fundrace 2008
      Welcome to FundRace 2008.

      Want to know if a celebrity is playing both sides of the fence? Whether that new guy you’re seeing is actually a Republican or just dresses like one? If your boss maxed out at that fundraiser or got comped? Whether your neighbor’s political involvement stops at that hideous lawn sign?

      FundRace makes it easy to search by name or address to see which presidential candidates your friends, family, co-workers, and neighbors are contributing to. Or you can see if your favorite celebrity is putting their money where their mouth is.

      FundRace gives you the technology to do what politicians and journalists have been doing for years: find out where the money’s coming from, see who it’s going to, and solve the mystery of why that crazy ex-roommate of yours is now the Ambassador to Turks and Caicos.

      Not what was looking for ~ but interesting no less. ~ I gave me the names of people named Acorn, the amount they gave and a map directing me to their house. How about them apples?

      Okay, so what we got here with this “act” is just a “labeling” issue! For consumers/voters. ~ Much like any other product , telling us what inside the package.

      So you think the American people should be denied this quick glance reference, and be required to dig for it?

      Is that your position?

    • Bob Wire

      Ignorant? Death Warrants?
      The process of government in play everyday Sister Sandra, hold yourself accountable for your convictions. It is your tongue that is running wild today, speaking death threats in self righteous tones.

      Gun Barrel,Tx

      • Jana

        All I can say is don’t let Bob Wire get to you. Just consider the Communistic source! Bob wire similar to barbed wire. He sure has his fangs out today Typical, but useless..

  • bob pa

    daniel you can go out and buy a gun and stand up and let them know that we have our guns and will revolt and throw them out. that is what the 2nd admendment is for and about. check the federalist papers. it is in all bookstrores and libraries. read all of it.

  • FreedomFighter

    Some nice person on a local talk radio show haa a very good idea…

    1. Start bashing the Marxist Progressive liberal/Communist organizations with LAWSUITES, as many as possible until they are bankrupt.

    2. Get laws passed locally thet piss off and bring in the ACLU and use these to bankrupt the ACLU or at least eat away at resources until they are weakend to the point of impotence.


    • eddie47d

      All political ads should list their sponsoring company,organization or individual. Whether it is the NRA or ACLU. Not listing it would be unconfirmed propaganda (shadow groups or 527′s). I don’t want my vote influenced by an ad with outrageous lies and that is all you see anymore. These “accusers” in these ads need to take responsibility for what they say and how they influence an election. That’s fair to all Americans.

      • angel-wanna-be


        • eddie47d

          Soros too! I didn’t say anything about exceptions.

          • TIME

            Dude, thats what the bloody bill allows and you still can’t grasp it.

      • DaveH

        Did Obama ever disclose all of his campaign contributors?

    • bp

      Yes, FreedomFighter, this would be a taste of their own medicine!!!

  • http://PGinCA Pamela Garcia

    I’m with Gary on this. It will be bloody, but to honor our country and uphold our constitution, it’s the right thing to do.
    Also, ‘big business’ and ‘big corporations’ in this country, are tiny compared to ‘BIG GOVERNMENT’ that wants to take more and more from you.

  • Airangel

    I just don’t know what’s happening to this country…these borders have to be secured and our Constitution has to be revered and upheld as the “Law of the Land”…Just in Dearborn, MI, 4 Christians were arrested for talking about Jesus to Muslims (who approached them)…Dearborn is a Muslim dominant city now in America.

    The city policy states Christian literature is not allowed within 5 city blocks of the Muslim area, creating a “banned-Bible zone” in violation of the First Amendment…they are supporting Sharia Law. Muslim Sharia law is not just about putting Burkas on women, but also prohibits anyone from talking to Muslims about Jesus, and prevents listeners from escaping Islam by converting to any other religion. This is an outrage to me, here is full article

    First it’s against their religion to show their face to get driver’s license (then don’t drive, take a taxi or bus), then we have to be politically correct to appease everyone with Happy Holiday’s rather then Merry Christmas, now we have to put children in danger to be raised by 2 gays or 2 lesbians (a not natural environment)…I mean what if 2 gay men to a liking to a little boy they were raising? It’s one thing to practice that lifestyle – fine, but don’t make little children victims…I could go on and on with everything wrong in this country….let’s take it back and put it on a moral path again!

    • eddie47d

      AA, I assume the literature of these Christians were upfront so they indeed would have the right to distribute their pro-Christian pamphlets to anyone. They could even give out a Bible to anyone if they want in any neighborhood. If a Muslim stands on a street corner with a sign that says Allah is great then so be it too. That’s what makes America great. I would hope that neither side uses inflammatory speech against the other religion. We Americans can say Merry Christmas all day and all night if we want to. I bet I said it at least 200 times last season and it was in all the cards I sent out. Your bias towards gays was obvious but the danger you presented was way off. 97% of all child molestation cases involve heterosexuals not homosexuals. So if you must,keep an eye on you “normal” neighbors or relatives.

      • Airangel

        uh-no….the Christians were arrested and yet it was the muslims that approached them…it is being repealed. Read the article. It is very disturbing.

      • coal miner

        On blind pattriotism:

        Heroism on command, senseless violence, and all the loathsome nonsense that goes by the name of patriotism – how passionately I hate them!
        Albert Einstein

    • bp

      Yes, AirAngel, what happened in Dearborn is outrageous!!! No matter what is said, we are still a CHRISTIAN nation.

  • coal miner

    Attention Every,

    This is an outrage.I am really angry,they are issuing condoms to sexually active first graders at a school.Parents have no say so.Have you ever heard such bullsh**t? First thing you know our children will be a dating pediphiles and it will be a perfectly normal thing.All decent people on the left,moderate, and right should band togethe and put to stop this insanity.I saw this on CNN and everyone is talking about it and they are sick.We need to take action now and write to our elected officials.This can’t be tolerated.

    • coal miner

      coal miner,
      I forgot everyone.

    • eddie47d

      So every 1st graders at this school was given a condom for the purpose of having sex and not as an educational tool to warn them about not having sex. I didn’t see the report but it does sound rather extreme for that age.

    • JC

      Sounds like a very liberal thing to do, doesn’t it?
      Are you waking up yet coal miner?

      • coal miner


        This concerns everyone,both the right and left.Children need to be protected from this kind of sickness.As for my political beliefs I am neither right,left,or moderate.I don’t believe in any form of government.My belief is the IWW.I am what you called an anarchist(no rule)We believe all governments are dictatorial,including democracy.Check the IWW out.Its the union of the future.The meek will inherit the earth.That is our slogan.

        • Airangel

          Coal Miner…you are absolutely correct on this which is why the Educational system needs an overhaul…the trash and viewpoints going through our schools is becoming alarmingly immoral and downright “sick”! Most the blue states in the other article from Chip shows mostly University areas along with border states for the biggest liberal concentrations not to mention Obamas guy Kevin Jennings is all for boy/man love (I believe he is in charge of the Educational K-12 grades) – thus putting children in danger from pedafiles and men prone to boys! No two men should EVER be allowed to raise any male child! It’s just wrong!!!

        • JC

          Coal Miner, to see you as a moderate would be a stretch for me based on so many of your posts.
          But I agree that our educational system is quite literally one of the sickest most perverse on the planet…and there is the root of our nations problems. (That and The Fed)

    • bp

      Yes, coalminer. This is why the home-school movement is growing! What state was this in; wish we could all vote there?

      • coal miner


        Its in Provincetown, Massachusetts.We should write in and try to put a stop to this sickness.

  • MidnightDStroyer

    By the law, we don’t HAVE to wait until the regular election cycles to get traitors out of office: Gather the public records of those incumbents who’ve shown their utter disregard towards their Oath of Office. Write a petition that includes their history of violations to the Constitution & calls for a Special Election for Recall; This actually takes a very small percentages of voters’ signatures to make it work. It doesn’t have to wait for the normal eledction cycle.

    I ran across something on the web that puts more detail to this idea…It’s in accordance with the law, it works & it doesn’t take much time (although it DOES take dedication). What can be accomplished is that it hits the Oath-Breakers where they’re most vulnerable…It threatens their jobs! With such a petition in hand, people can deliver the ultimatum: Either they act in accordance to the Constitution (& the Oath of Office under it) or join the unemplyment line.

    Restore America Plan – Alternatives (7-part video). The URL below is only the first part, but the other six parts can easily be accessed from there.

  • Da Norseman

    Outlawing free speech equals tyranny, serfdom and oppression.

  • MercyNurse

    Everything Obummer is doing is calculated. Globalists are writing these bills. He seems to be one step ahead of us, the people. He wants to get conservatives and Christians off the air waves. The NRA made a deal. They traded first amendment rights for seconed amendment rights. Now they will not have a voice when the liars come after our guns. Who mentioned BP possible involvement? Didn’t G W Bush buy 300 thousand acres in Brazil? Isn’t that where the oil rigs are going when the moratorium is back in play? If that is the case, then the Globalists/Progressives/Dems/Socialists and Communists are further ahead than one step from the We the People.

  • chuck b

    there was information released in one of the studies on sex some years ago that reported black children become sexually active at nine years of age, maybe this is why the school is handing out condoms.

    • coal miner

      Chuck B,

      Any school that gives children condoms ought to be shut down and the administrators fired and prosecuted.According to Dr Sigmund Freud; young children sexually stimulated can developed all kinds of emotional problems in later life.I like to know what idiot came up with this. Our children are growing up too fast.They don’t need to know all this stuff until they reach maturity. Remember it could be your kids too.We need to take action now.Schools don’t own our kids,we do.

    • coal miner


      There is no excuse for this.Any school that gives out condons to our young children, ought to be shut down and the administrators fired and prosecuted. According Dr Sigmond Freud; young children sexually stimulated at an early age can developed serious emotional problems later on in life.Children should never be expose to this type of knowledge until she or he reaches maturity.Schools don’t own our children, we do.We need to take action now.

      • JC

        To break down America completely you need to break down the family unit…what do you think sex ed. is about? Its part of the state taking over what should be the duties of the parent in a moral society. Its part of teaching kids that sex is ok…at whatever age as long as they use condoms..or not, who cares…
        It’s part of the collapse of America and some Liberal came up with it…in the best of intentions, I’m sure…yeah, right!

        • Bob Wire

          No it isn’t JC, it’s attempting to educate young people where the family unit has been found lacking and done a poor job. They teach responsibility and health issues. For many of the children this might not be necessary, it’s a skate course and any harm small. For the ones that are in need and are reached, the social rewards priceless.

          It’s am attempt to stop bad , unsafe behavior in the early lives of young people before they have altered their young lives forever.

          An attempt to stop the cycle of stupid!

          • JC

            The cycle of stupid being borne of a lack of responsibility, morals and ethics…which we don’t have because of welfare programs and brain washing in schools…you’re right about it being a cycle alright.

  • Viktor Leben

    Hey Dudes ! Nothin’ we can do ……. THE REVOLUTION IS OVER AND WE LOST !!

    Conservatives are living in a “Political Hospice” , America hasn’t been conservative since the 1950′s …

    The Freaks in Power were put their by the American people….

    I just woke up to this…. I’m here to help all of you Conservatives …..

  • Marc

    “(2) The Supreme Court’s decision in Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission on January 21, 2010, invalidated legislation restricting the ability of corporations and labor unions to spend funds from their general treasury accounts to influence the outcome of elections.”

    So the ruling by the Court will allow Corporations AND Labor Unions to spend as they will……

    • JeffH

      Marc, The Disclose Act was created to usurp the Supreme Court ruling in Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission, notice the date of January 21, 2010 we are in June, 2010 now…

  • Jon Weiss

    I am not too concerned about this bill becoming law. It is unconstitutional and I don’t plan to follow it. I plan to say what I want about who I want in the political debate and to donate my cash to the campaign of my choice. The law is UnConstitutional so there is no need to follow it.

    As for those who passed this into law, for my part, they can all go take a flying leap. Preferably off the nearest cliff.

  • Linda L.

    It is one more toe hold to tear the Constitution apart. B.Obama said the Constitution is a list of negative liberties. WE THE PEOPLE have to prove him wrong. He and his socialists must be removed from service. Make no mistake, their motives are power and money at the cost of Americans and the United States. This bill is the first attack of many more to come. We cannot allow George Soros, Maurice Strong, B. Obama, Hillary Clinton, and send this great country into Socialist/Communistic dictatorship. (If you think it is not going that way, just because we elected a president, then, you need to do your homework.)

    We are in very difficult times, as people and as a nation. Our dollars is being devalued, we are being prepped to go to a one world monetary system. The One World coins are being minted in Belgium as I write this comment. Once on the One World Monitary system the U.N. will be our legislature. We will have NO voice. Our national debt(B.O. and his cronies are the ones that spent us into this situation) is out of control and is unsustainable. The world is broke and the ubber-rich and those in power have a very different vision for Americans. Your world is about to be rocked!

    Liberal or Conservative, Dem., Rep., Indep., or what ever your party preference; your life and liberties are in jeopardy. Just do the research on the history of Communism, Socialism, Marxism, Dictatorships; it does not turn out pretty for the masses of people. There will be a few in the ruling class and they will be the ones with the power and money. The rest of us will end up as pons and disposable pons at that. Think about where you will fit in their greater scheme. Do you want that? Can you live like that? If you think you can sit on your duff and do nothing, have the life of leisure, have every need provided for you or speak your mind about anything…think again. Your life will be for the use of those in power.

    America needs to stand strong and together on the liberties granted to this great nation and its people by the U.S. Constitution. We are the last place on earth where you can live free because of the liberties granted by the Constitution. The founders of this Great Country wrote into the law of this land your inalienable rights under GOD. I am not willing to give away any of my freedoms because of some politician’s half-baked notion that I need a damn nanny. America stand together. We cannot afford to screw this one up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Viktor Leben

      WE THE PEOPLE does not include “conservatives”.

      PEOPLE = Prez. Obama, H. Clinton , Biden and other oligarchs ….(aka Freaks of Nature) …

      WHEN they read “WE THE PEOPLE” that doesn’t include us…….

      We need a new Constitution that starts with “WE THE SERFS” …….

      • Bob Wire

        That just the way I felt about Reagan saying let’s wake up this industrial giant and get the federal government off the people backs!

        Evidently I wasn’t considered one of “the people”

        And today, the Nation is divided in almost equal parts. You present 48 to 52 % of a 100% of the people on matter of government and direction.

        You had it “your way” for a very long time. Now it time to take all those tax breaks and acquired wealth and create some jobs like you promised! Wasn’t that the deal?

        The world waits.

        • DaveH

          Why don’t you start your own company with like-minded people. Then you can give away your profits as you see fit. Save the world.

          You may be singing a different tune when the inflation created by the Democrats’ wild spending comes to roost on your cash savings.

      • coal miner

        Viktor leben,

        The quotes from the liberal scientist Einstein,

        [Note: This list of Einstein quotes was being forwarded around the Internet in e-mail, so I decided to put it on my web page. I'm afraid I can't vouch for its authenticity, tell you where it came from, who compiled the list, who Kevin Harris is, or anything like that. Still, the quotes are interesting and enlightening.]

        Collected Quotes from Albert Einstein
        “Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius — and a lot of courage — to move in the opposite direction.”
        “Imagination is more important than knowledge.”
        “Gravitation is not responsible for people falling in love.”
        “I want to know God’s thoughts; the rest are details.”
        “The hardest thing in the world to understand is the income tax.”
        “Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one.”
        “The only real valuable thing is intuition.”
        “A person starts to live when he can live outside himself.”
        “I am convinced that He (God) does not play dice.”
        “God is subtle but he is not malicious.”
        “Weakness of attitude becomes weakness of character.”
        “I never think of the future. It comes soon enough.”
        “The eternal mystery of the world is its comprehensibility.”
        “Sometimes one pays most for the things one gets for nothing.”
        “Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind.”
        “Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new.”
        “Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from weak minds.”
        “Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler.”
        “Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen.”
        “Science is a wonderful thing if one does not have to earn one’s living at it.”
        “The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.”
        “The only thing that interferes with my learning is my education.”
        “God does not care about our mathematical difficulties. He integrates empirically.”
        “The whole of science is nothing more than a refinement of everyday thinking.”
        “Technological progress is like an axe in the hands of a pathological criminal.”
        “Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding.”
        “The most incomprehensible thing about the world is that it is comprehensible.”
        “We can’t solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them.”
        “Education is what remains after one has forgotten everything he learned in school.”
        “The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing.”
        “Do not worry about your difficulties in Mathematics. I can assure you mine are still greater.”
        “Equations are more important to me, because politics is for the present, but an equation is something for eternity.”
        “If A is a success in life, then A equals x plus y plus z. Work is x; y is play; and z is keeping your mouth shut.”
        “Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about the the universe.”
        “As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain, as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality.”
        “Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods.”
        “I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.”
        “In order to form an immaculate member of a flock of sheep one must, above all, be a sheep.”
        “The fear of death is the most unjustified of all fears, for there’s no risk of accident for someone who’s dead.”
        “Too many of us look upon Americans as dollar chasers. This is a cruel libel, even if it is reiterated thoughtlessly by the Americans themselves.”
        “Heroism on command, senseless violence, and all the loathsome nonsense that goes by the name of patriotism — how passionately I hate them!”
        “No, this trick won’t work…How on earth are you ever going to explain in terms of chemistry and physics so important a biological phenomenon as first love?”
        “My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind.”
        “Yes, we have to divide up our time like that, between our politics and our equations. But to me our equations are far more important, for politics are only a matter of present concern. A mathematical equation stands forever.”
        “The release of atom power has changed everything except our way of thinking…the solution to this problem lies in the heart of mankind. If only I had known, I should have become a watchmaker.”
        “Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence.”
        “The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed.”
        “A man’s ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeeded be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death.”
        “The further the spiritual evolution of mankind advances, the more certain it seems to me that the path to genuine religiosity does not lie through the fear of life, and the fear of death, and blind faith, but through striving after rational knowledge.”
        “Now he has departed from this strange world a little ahead of me. That means nothing. People like us, who believe in physics, know that the distinction between past, present, and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion.”
        “You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat.”
        “One had to cram all this stuff into one’s mind for the examinations, whether one liked it or not. This coercion had such a deterring effect on me that, after I had passed the final examination, I found the consideration of any scientific problems distasteful to me for an entire year.”
        “…one of the strongest motives that lead men to art and science is escape from everyday life with its painful crudity and hopeless dreariness, from the fetters of one’s own ever-shifting desires. A finely tempered nature longs to escape from the personal life into the world of objective perception and thought.”
        “He who joyfully marches to music rank and file, has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice. This disgrace to civilization should be done away with at once. Heroism at command, how violently I hate all this, how despicable and ignoble war is; I would rather be torn to shreds than be a part of so base an action. It is my conviction that killing under the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder.”
        “A human being is a part of a whole, called by us _universe_, a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest… a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty.”
        “Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts.” (Sign hanging in Einstein’s office at Princeton)
        Copyright: Kevin Harris 1995 (may be freely distributed with this acknowledgement)

  • jopa

    I do’nt know why everyone is up in arms about disclosure and transparency.I would like to always be informed who and how much was given to any political figure.What if Bobby Jindal were running for Prez. and all of a sudden he has a windfall of cash and flooded the airways with BS that Americans truly believe after they here it once or twice.It would not be unfair if the opposition did’nt have a chance to get their BS out.I want to know if it’s federal money , individuals,corporations or foreign governments sponsoring these individuals.Can you imagine China buying our government like the corporations do.Not to far fetched.

    • JeffH

      jopa…”What if Bobby Jindal were running for Prez. and all of a sudden he has a windfall of cash and flooded the airways with BS that Americans truly believe after they here it once or twice”…
      Sounds eerily familiar to the current presidents run for president…

      • eddie47d

        No, That sounds more like Rush Limbaugh.

      • Jana

        Boy Jeff,
        You hit the nail on the head on that one. Obama has tried to hide any and everything about himself. hmmmmmm.

    • Bob Wire

      >>if Bobby Jindal were running for Prez. <<

      I'd know beyond all question of doubt it would be time to say good bye to my home and find another nation worthy my support. For the one I left truly brain dead.

      • Jana

        Wow Bob W,
        Is that all it would take?

    • DaveH

      Then, Jopa, pool your money with others and put your side of the story on an ad. What gets me is that the Liberals don’t even push for transparency from their leaders, yet they want transparency from those who haven’t even been elected.

  • Bob Wire

    Jon, the way I understand it, you compliance is not required.

    You will stay in the blind and mindless to who or what special interest supports. or if repealed and (unconstitutional) as you suggest, you are privileged to more about “labeling” and who is supporting who.

    more or less ~while some special interest having immunity, being ambiguous ( not sure why) or that it’s a good thing.

    That’s the way I’m understanding it anyway.

  • Another Voice

    I don’t see anything wrong with the DISCLOSE bill at all. Don’t we the people have a right to know who is buying our candidates?

    Big business interests have always been able to hide their campaign funding by giving the money to PACs (Political Action Committees), so the Supreme Court’s Decision to grant corporations ‘individual status’ will not really change the way they have been participating in elections.

    Ethics rules already demand that candidates disclose all individual contributors, so why shouldn’t the names and amounts contributed by corporations be disclosed also?

    This does not in any way infringe upon a person’s right to free speech. It does, however, give us the right to know who is behind some of the smear campaigns which dirty up the election process.

    • JC

      I don’t think you understand the repercussions of a bill like this.
      It means that anyone…ANYone donating to a political figure can be put on a list…we already have too many people on too many “lists”.

    • DaveH

      What is your real name and address, Another Voice?
      We think it’s only fair that you lead the way.

  • Bob Wire

    and we fear a list? Explain this list and why it must be feared?

    I have learned to never, every ~ give ANYONE my phone number or post it in AnyWay on the net.

    It’s not fear but damage it causes me and the time wasted and distraction caused by the time spend having to answer it.

    That is one “list” I care not to be on.

    However, if I wished to support a cause with my money, a cause that might affect “others” , I would think “others” should have the right to know my intentions.

    So please explain the “downside” of people knowing your intentions.

    I do consider Politics similar to high stakes poke. It being a strategy to opponents in the blind and off your hand. Appearing stronger the you are or weaker then you are as the bet circle the table.

    But you all ways know who you are playing against and the nature of their play, their history.

    Other wise you are playing a machine ~ It’s my feeling this faceless political machine has went without a face too long. And it’s high time for Americans to engage the system of government we employ in the sunlight and not in the dark. This “rule by proxy” is fine for a Matriarch lording over her family with iron will and velvet glove but for government , it stinks.

    Like the wisdom of the early Comanche Elders that offer ” Man can not do things that can not be spoken of”

    So please, someone explain this list.

    • JC

      Lists become tools when they are put in the wrong hands and we have no way of knowing what the next government will want those lists for do we? Unless of course we observe history and natural progression as they effect each other. In which case we already know what governments do with lists when they don’t like the people that are on them.
      It “Ain’t American” man!

      • Bob Wire

        Thanks for your take on the “list” JC.

        So as I understand your thoughts, a certain amount of ambiguity in the election process is found most desirable. Not being able to single out any one person or organization that makes up a “plural” society in an easy shoppers glance. This information needs to be only forth coming for those that wish to dig for it. Which of course government and pollsters do “anyway” all the time. So it’s just “the simplest shoppers” that need no know

        The information is there, you are on a “list” if you vote JC, so this discuss in more about labeling for the less sophisticated “shoppers”

        We enjoy the slop shots, ~ the Alvin Green’s that gets mistaken for Al Green? ~ enjoy the benefits of voter confusion. The dangling chads, and confusing ballots, worded to where a “yes” is really a “no” vote.

        Rather then clear up such matters we hide behind ambiguity?

        Even the first Tea Party was cloaked in ambiguity, much like Klansman, they dressed up like native Americans with painted faces on the war path to conduct their raid, not wishing to be ratted out by loyalist to the crown.

        There is a time and place for ambiguity I suppose. But today it’s time for all good men and women to stand up and be counted in the naked light of day. As you claim a majority that’s not yours to claim by all counting save yours.

        I need no veil to hid my face, I offer no evil will, hide no secrets to where I stand and need no gun. But if I ever do need one, Harper’s Ferry incident should serve as a lesson how it’s done and what not to do.

        But maybe in your mind, you need these things?

        • Allan

          Feel free to give the government every detail and every penny you have. I’ll pass.

  • Darrel

    Eddie47d – Our company was told – by BCBS – that they would be raising our rates an additional 17% to “Compensate for the upcoming costs supporting Obamacare”. So who is REALLY responsible? Don’t get me wrong, insurance companies go out of their way to avoid payment. But if you think the US Government will just willy-nilly approve every claim – you must be delusional.

    • Bob Wire

      darrel, your insurance rates were going to increase regardless, ~ that’s what this whole mess was about, out of control rate increases. ` They only need any reason that you’ll accept or stand still for.

      • DaveH

        It must be nice. First the Government creates a condition with their meddling, then they gallop up on their white horses and offer to save us with more regulation. How can they lose, as long as the electorate remains ignorant?
        How can anybody be so ignorant as to think that more Government Employees, and more meddling in our healtcare choices, are going to give us cheaper and better Healthcare?

  • Bob

    Perhaps JFK said it best when he defined the word “liberal”; a speech worth re-reading for people of both parties and for Independents as well.
    A Liberal Definition by John F. Kennedy:
    Acceptance Speech of the New York
    Liberal Party Nomination
    September 14, 1960
    What do our opponents mean when they apply to us the label “Liberal?” If by “Liberal” they mean, as they want people to believe, someone who is soft in his policies abroad, who is against local government, and who is unconcerned with the taxpayer’s dollar, then the record of this party and its members demonstrate that we are not that kind of “Liberal.” But if by a “Liberal” they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people — their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties — someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a “Liberal,” then I’m proud to say I’m a “Liberal.”
    But first, I would like to say what I understand the word “Liberal” to mean and explain in the process why I consider myself to be a “Liberal,” and what it means in the presidential election of 1960.
    In short, having set forth my view — I hope for all time — two nights ago in Houston, on the proper relationship between church and state, I want to take the opportunity to set forth my views on the proper relationship between the state and the citizen. This is my political credo:
    I believe in human dignity as the source of national purpose, in human liberty as the source of national action, in the human heart as the source of national compassion, and in the human mind as the source of our invention and our ideas. It is, I believe, the faith in our fellow citizens as individuals and as people that lies at the heart of the liberal faith. For liberalism is not so much a party creed or set of fixed platform promises as it is an attitude of mind and heart, a faith in man’s ability through the experiences of his reason and judgment to increase for himself and his fellow men the amount of justice and freedom and brotherhood which all human life deserves.
    I believe also in the United States of America, in the promise that it contains and has contained throughout our history of producing a society so abundant and creative and so free and responsible that it cannot only fulfill the aspirations of its citizens, but serve equally well as a beacon for all mankind. I do not believe in a superstate. I see no magic in tax dollars which are sent to Washington and then returned. I abhor the waste and incompetence of large-scale federal bureaucracies in this administration as well as in others. I do not favor state compulsion when voluntary individual effort can do the job and do it well. But I believe in a government which acts, which exercises its full powers and full responsibilities. Government is an art and a precious obligation; and when it has a job to do, I believe it should do it. And this requires not only great ends but that we propose concrete means of achieving them.
    Our responsibility is not discharged by announcement of virtuous ends. Our responsibility is to achieve these objectives with social invention, with political skill, and executive vigor. I believe for these reasons that liberalism is our best and only hope in the world today. For the liberal society is a free society, and it is at the same time and for that reason a strong society. Its strength is drawn from the will of free people committed to great ends and peacefully striving to meet them. Only liberalism, in short, can repair our national power, restore our national purpose, and liberate our national energies. And the only basic issue in the 1960 campaign is whether our government will fall in a conservative rut and die there, or whether we will move ahead in the liberal spirit of daring, of breaking new ground, of doing in our generation what Woodrow Wilson and Franklin Roosevelt and Harry Truman and Adlai Stevenson did in their time of influence and responsibility.
    Our liberalism has its roots in our diverse origins. Most of us are descended from that segment of the American population which was once called an immigrant minority. Today, along with our children and grandchildren, we do not feel minor. We feel proud of our origins and we are not second to any group in our sense of national purpose. For many years New York represented the new frontier to all those who came from the ends of the earth to find new opportunity and new freedom, generations of men and women who fled from the despotism of the czars, the horrors of the Nazis, the tyranny of hunger, who came here to the new frontier in the State of New York. These men and women, a living cross section of American history, indeed, a cross section of the entire world’s history of pain and hope, made of this city not only a new world of opportunity, but a new world of the spirit as well.
    Tonight we salute Governor and Senator Herbert Lehman as a symbol of that spirit, and as a reminder that the fight for full constitutional rights for all Americans is a fight that must be carried on in 1961.
    Many of these same immigrant families produced the pioneers and builders of the American labor movement. They are the men who sweated in our shops, who struggled to create a union, and who were driven by longing for education for their children and for the children’s development. They went to night schools; they built their own future, their union’s future, and their country’s future, brick by brick, block by block, neighborhood by neighborhood, and now in their children’s time, suburb by suburb.
    Tonight we salute George Meany as a symbol of that struggle and as a reminder that the fight to eliminate poverty and human exploitation is a fight that goes on in our day. But in 1960 the cause of liberalism cannot content itself with carrying on the fight for human justice and economic liberalism here at home. For here and around the world the fear of war hangs over us every morning and every night. It lies, expressed or silent, in the minds of every American. We cannot banish it by repeating that we are economically first or that we are militarily first, for saying so doesn’t make it so. More will be needed than goodwill missions or talking back to Soviet politicians or increasing the tempo of the arms race. More will be needed than good intentions, for we know where that paving leads.
    In Winston Churchill’s words, “We cannot escape our dangers by recoiling from them. We dare not pretend such dangers do not exist.”
    And tonight we salute Adlai Stevenson as an eloquent spokesman for the effort to achieve an intelligent foreign policy. Our opponents would like the people to believe that in a time of danger it would be hazardous to change the administration that has brought us to this time of danger. I think it would be hazardous not to change. I think it would be hazardous to continue four more years of stagnation and indifference here at home and abroad, of starving the underpinnings of our national power, including not only our defense but our image abroad as a friend.
    This is an important election — in many ways as important as any this century — and I think that the Democratic Party and the Liberal Party here in New York, and those who believe in progress all over the United States, should be associated with us in this great effort. The reason that Woodrow Wilson and Franklin Roosevelt and Harry Truman and Adlai Stevenson had influence abroad, and the United States in their time had it, was because they moved this country here at home, because they stood for something here in the United States, for expanding the benefits of our society to our own people, and the people around the world looked to us as a symbol of hope.
    I think it is our task to re-create the same atmosphere in our own time. Our national elections have often proved to be the turning point in the course of our country. I am proposing that 1960 be another turning point in the history of the great Republic.
    Some pundits are saying it’s 1928 all over again. I say it’s 1932 all over again. I say this is the great opportunity that we will have in our time to move our people and this country and the people of the free world beyond the new frontiers of the 1960s.

    • chuck b

      jfk was a do nothing president, he did very little, his image built up by the press was something to behold, however, he was more honorable than any of the kennedys and he was a patriotic american, more than you can say for his dem. successors from clinton on. especially this one in office now. the media covered for him over the bay of pigs fiasco when he backed down and accepted kruschev terms not to invade cuba. the russians were not about to start a nuclear war with us. “wilson, roosevelt and truman” i think not, they are the fore runners of a socialist america.

    • DaveH

      My definition of a Liberal – Anybody who encourages the growth of Government as the solution to our problems.

      Liberals are certainly not open-minded (as evidenced on this board).
      They are Thieves (as evidenced by their goals of redistribution of wealth).
      They are Forcers (as evidenced by their quick acceptance of government force as long as it suits their purposes).

  • http://gmail i41

    Darrel, eidyee47, is a indian welfare rat, they have free land but don’t have a clue how to raise a damn thing on it, but more rats and get free houses to destroy and store commodities to trade for booze. That is what you get for being welfare rats for generations, and have no incentive or need to work at anything, usless it is a government job, where they get preference like hispanics, or black, irish, queer ieman, main supporters od the socialist democrats and the muslim idoit in ythe white house.Democratsa only want the union thugs and people who keep their mouth shut to have the right of free speech!

  • mehoward


  • http://gmail i41

    Yes the Omoron, is just following the marxist socialist plan, put more government control over any and every segment of the country, even what your family and you injest,or use, live, and everyone had better not speak ill, of the muslim socialist’s master plans. Damn no wonder, the bastartd is having hamburgers with the Russian head message carrier, the idea of getting Russia in to the G-7 or G-20. Wake up you simple minded idoits in the USA. To have the EU heads lecture the USA on failed programs, and Omoron will never understand anything, when he never has done a damn thing. The fianical bill never even touched Freddie or Fannie, what a bunch of smucks.

  • bob pa


  • DaveH

    Remember how Liberal Leaders in the past have expressed so much angst about our “privacy”. They grew government ever larger to protect us from those Big Bad Companies who might use the information to target us with their ads. Oh, the horrors. Now the Liberals want to divulge our affiliations with private groups to the Government, of all people. They wouldn’t be prone to any ill-will would they? I mean, the purges in the past were just that, past. They will never occur again, will they? And our Government is just filled with people who have our best interests at heart. I mean, as an example, look at the healthcare bill which most of us opposed. They were just doing that for our own good because we don’t know what’s best for us.
    Does anybody else remember the IRS audits during the Clinton Administration that just coincidentally targeted organizations that were anti-Clinton?
    Maybe we should just abandon Ballot Secrecy too. We have nothing to hide. Liberals only have our best interests at heart (Well, at least the interests that are denominated in dollars).

  • paul smith

    Insurers raising premiums = knowing the the high expense of Obamacare, trying to get leg up before it becomes effective.
    It seems as BP made some bad decisions in trying to finish out this well and many people are hurting now but BP is in then process of paying for the mistakes.
    In shutting down the oil industry the loss of income in this region has only compounded problems.
    Try to put the blame where you may but Obamanation has had the oversight for exploration and drilling for 18 months now.
    The lack of cooperation and central control is confounding the problem of cleanup and not using all available rescources surely does delay the final cleanup.
    From the speech and actions of our president and congressional leaders there should be no doubt in anyones mind that the aim is to change dramatically the direction and prosperity of this country and make it a copy of some third world nation and make it more like the socialist countries of the world

  • Harold Olsen

    Am I missing something? This bill doesn’t sound like it’s preventing anyone from advertising at any time. I see nothing wrong with donors being identified. If someone donates to a campaign then why shouldn’t their name be made public? If they are ashamed of supporting someone or some cause, then maybe they shouldn’t donate. So, unless I’m missing something, and I probably am, the Disclose Act isn’t that bad, except for one thing, certain groups are exempt from it. That bothers me. It should apply equally to everyone or to no one.

    • JeffH

      The whole point is that there should not be a “Disclose Act” at all…this is Obama/Dems method of “adjusting” the earlier Supreme Court ruling that Obama was sp upset with.

      • Bob Wire

        So Jeffh, you think it’s okay that special interest hold such sway over our election system? As I understand it is, this “act” applies to all parties equally. If this is not seen as fair to you, perhaps you might offer us why?

        When I’m making a decision as to what to do or what to buy or invest in. I like to know as much as possible up front. I like to read the label and know I’m supporting someone or something that I hold faith and trust in.

        Why should we see this information as bad?

        If you vote or support someone, you are on a list somewhere anyway.

        • JeffH

          BW—quit being an idiot!

          • eddie47d

            No you are looking in a mirror! Truth in advertising 24/7 from everyone.

          • Tim Layman

            Name calling is not the same thing as answering the question. I too would like to know why you are against knowing who is putting up the big money for these candidates. As Bob pointed out, it’s the same for both sides. So, again we ask, why don’t you want to know the truth? Why Is the truth a bad thing?

  • jopa

    The new bill is a way to clean up some of the misleading smesr campaigns and let people know who is really behind them.The only group that I know of being exempt is the NRA and I do’nt even know why they would even want it.If my name was on their list of donors so what.The best thing about the new bill is we will know if foreign countries are buying our politicians.

  • chuck b


    like saudi and barry soetoro

    • JeffH

      chuck b, jopa, like most, don’t understand the ramifications of this bill. Some think that only the bad guys run smear campaign and their side doesn’t.(we all know BO and the Dems are the masters of smear) Well, it’s very well known by those who are awake that the unions, particularly the SEIU, are the masters of smear, slime and devience where it comes to political adds. Just in California, Jerry Brown has aligned himself with the unions and there were several conservative assembly districts where the SEIU completely financed some candidates and paid for their out and out lieing adds.

      • JeffH

        to clarify…SEIU paid for and lied with the opponents of Republicans running as conservatives…

      • Tim Layman

        After all of your ranting about smear campaigns, I am still left with the question I asked you earlier: Why are you against knowing who is putting up the money for these smear campaigns? What is wrong with getting the truth?

  • http://gmail i41

    jopa, you are showing your total beleif in the democrap BS talking points. It will never show how Soros, the communist controls the democrat party, or what countries that have their dictators arms up the USA government’s postior up to the eye balls. We know the Clinton’s and all democrats were giving secreats away to N Korea and China, now we have muslim dictators, up the muslim clowns rears, as in the pukes white house. That is why Onumnut will not do a damn thing, with playing golf, praying on his dung colored rug, and destroying the USA. Michele only gets an hour, to bitch slap, the wimp. The PC crowd, just have a tingle all over when they hear our unemployment numbers and see the oily ocean and his poor performance as a leader. To have the EU telling Omoron, he is a moron at trying socialism and the given failures, his eleit education just isn’t working. Everyone know the jackass, is trying to keep every dissenting voice, needs to be silenced, sounds just like a dictators dream!

  • coal miner

    JUNE 24, 2010 9:22AM
    Do Grade One Students Need Condoms in Provincetown, Mass.?
    Rate: 11 Flag Email Click “Submit Abuse” if you feel this post is inappropriate. Explain why below if you wish.


    Perhaps it has been a few years since we have been in elementary school. Things do change. However, do all students, even those in the first grades, need condoms? Apparently, everyone is covered [no pun intended] in a sweeping school policy in Provincetown, Massachusetts:

    “A new policy in Provincetown to make condoms available to even first-graders is being called “absurd” and a frantic overreaction to sex education.

    “What’s next? Birth control pills?” asked Kris Mineau, head of the conservative group Massachusetts Family Institute.”

    link: P’town puts condoms in kids’ hands

    And what if a parent or parents want a child to be excluded from this program? Too bad. “The school will not honor parents’ requests that their children not receive the prophylactic…”

    Welcome to modern education – perhaps someone can lend the school administrators in Provincetown some adolescent developmental literature.

    Catherine Forsythe

    some additional links:

    Should Elementary Schools Give Condoms to Students?

    Provincetown to make condoms available at all schools

    Mass. school district under fire for condom policy

  • DaveH

    Yay! Obama didn’t get the Supreme Court packed soon enough to prevent us from getting some of our freedom back:

  • DaveH

    I’m not quite clear on Google’s involvement with China in the past (did they help with censorship?), but this year they started redirecting their Chinese users to a censorless link in Hong Kong. Now it appears they are caving to Chinese leaders to preserve their other interests in China. Anything for money:


    Someone favored Fox News with “Maybe, ignorant Liberal, this will backfire on you since Fox is becoming the Media Giant.” I can only warn EVERY American- ignore Fox news, which is keeping us in the dark about Muslim radicals. A Saudi prince owns a percentage of Fox news. He has demanded & received censorship of news to hide muslim misdeeds. Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal owns a 7 percent stake in Rupert Murdoch’s News Corp., the parent company of Fox News, and is the company’s largest shareholder outside of Murdoch’s own family. Saudi Billionaire Boasts of Manipulating Fox News Coverage.Google it!

    • DaveH

      Which Media organization do you know that is keeping us informed about Muslim misdeeds?

    • DaveH

      Wow, he owns 7% (to Rupert’s 40%)? That would be the tail wagging the dog. You guys don’t miss a beat to try to disparage Fox News, do you?
      The other news sources are just Big Government Sycophants, who are rarely critical of Government folly. Thank goodness for Fox, so we can get the other side of the story.
      Maybe, if the Liberals hadn’t done everything they could to diminish our energy production, we wouldn’t be dependent on foreign oil. And if Liberals didn’t work so hard to build Government ever larger, the machinery wouldn’t be there for a possible takeover of our country. Everything you guys do has put us in that very vulnerable position.

  • http://Verizon Bud G.

    Eddie47d: There is a former Hawaiian elections official who was working in the elections office when President Obama was running for President. He has stated that he is willing to testify there is no record of the President being born in Hawaii; that the Governor of Hawaii falsely stated he was born at a certain hospital and this hospital has stated there is no record of his birth there.

    I am not sure where he was born but don’t you wonder about this when his own wife, grandmother and even Kenyan Officials have said he was born there and he has spent 1.7 million to keep the record of his birth certificate a secret?

    • Tim Layman

      I hate to interrupt your paranoia, But don’t you think it’s time to get over this “He wasn’t born here” nonsense? Do you really think that the self serving neo-cons in congress would have allowed Obama to become president if he didn’t meet all of the necessary criteria? It’s not just you, there are several people on this site trying desperately to make a case out of nothing. To all of the terminally paranoid I say: Get over it. He is an AMERICAN CITIZEN! He was born here. And he is a christian.

  • DaveH

    This is important for anybody who loves Freedom:

  • http://Verizon Bud G.

    Tim: Right, close your eyes to all this. Remember who we have in the Senate and the House holding the power. They are despicable and will lie in a second to cover their rear. After all they have pulled over the last year, I would not trust them with anything and it appears, with how they look in the polls that most everyone agrees it isn’t good. Why would the election official have any reason to lie?
    The grandmother and his wife did say this and reported in the news before they were hushed up. It wasn’t a Conservative source either. He has spent 1.7 million to keep his birth certificate from being disclosed. What is so important about not producing the birth certificate that you he is spent that amount to keep it secret. Fact, not fiction. I don’t like to put down anyone but I think you are the naive one.


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