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Anchor Babies And The Illegal 14th

May 21, 2010 by  

Anchor Babies And The Illegal 14th

The response is still pouring in to my column last week on our immigration policies. Or rather, our lack of same. If you haven’t read Arizona, Si! Obama, No! and want to get caught up on the topic, just click here.

When you finish reading my column be sure to scroll down to the bottom and read some of the hundreds of comments that readers have posted. You will be very impressed by the passion and, yes, the wisdom shown by many writers. They may be a cantankerous bunch, as I’ve said before, but there is no question that they are motivated by a fierce dedication to our country and the principles on which it was founded. I’d sleep better at night if more of them were on guard in Washington instead of the pathetic bunch of compromisers we’ve got now.

I don’t think there was anything in that column or the comments that followed that most readers would find shocking or unbelievable. Maybe something contrary to their own passionately held beliefs, sure, but there is nothing there that is startling, outrageous or even extremely controversial.

Today’s column will be different.

This week I want to discuss two important corollaries to last week’s column. The first is something that is almost never mentioned in this debate, but should be. The second is something that I have never seen raised. But it’s at the heart of much that has gone wrong in this country during the last 150 years.

Let’s begin with one of the most startling aspects of our present immigration crisis:

It is the official policy of the United States government that any child, born in this country to illegal immigrants, automatically and immediately becomes a citizen of the United States.

Not only that, but by becoming a newly franchised citizen, that infant is permitted to sponsor American citizenship for its mother, father and other relatives.

Such infants are sometimes referred to as “anchor babies,” because their immediate and automatic citizenship is the “anchor” on which a host of other claims, from welfare to the citizenship of others can be made.

On the face of it, this sounds patently absurd. How can a newborn baby be eligible for citizenship when his or her parents are not? Not merely eligible, mind you, but granted it automatically?

Many of us have grandparents or great-grandparents who overcame incredible obstacles to become citizens of this country. Before they were accepted they had to pass a rigorous and demanding test. The questions they were asked, and their answers, had to be in English.

As an essential part of the process every immigrant was required to renounce allegiance to the country he or she had left and to swear allegiance to his newly adopted home—the United States of America. And every new citizen was thrilled to do so.

There was a solemn ceremony, often conducted by a judge sitting high on a bench above them, issuing the oath of allegiance. Friends and family welcomed the new citizens with hugs and tears and enthusiastic applause.

That is what citizenship for an immigrant used to mean. But today we are required to bestow it on anyone whose mother can sneak across our border a few hours before her baby is born. That is absolutely insane.

The new citizen is immediately entitled to all the benefits that accompany citizenship—schooling, medical care, food stamps and other welfare and a whole host of “public assistance.”

Moreover, that new citizen is now entitled to invite other family members—mother and father, aunts and uncles, cousins and grandparents, nephews and nieces—to come visit them in their newly adopted country and even apply for citizenship here.

How did such utter craziness come to be accepted as the law of the land?

Well, the first thing you need to know is that there is no such law.

If you ask how automatic citizenship for babies born to illegal immigrants came about you’ll be told that the 14th Amendment requires it.

This is a flat-out lie. But it’s a lie that’s been promoted by those who want to overturn the established laws and customs of our country. It’s a lie that the highest officials in this country—from the White House on down—pretend is true.

Let me share some important history with you. The 14th Amendment was proposed by Congress at the end of the Civil War. Its purpose was to make sure that newly enfranchised blacks were not denied the rights of citizenship when they returned to their homes in states that comprised the former Confederacy.

Sadly, the 14th Amendment is worded so vaguely that an activist court—spurred on by politically motivated attorneys—can interpret it almost any way it chooses. Here’s the relevant section:

“All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”

But what does “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” mean? If you do a little research on the topic you’ll discover that this amendment was most emphatically not meant to include the children of aliens—even if their parents were in this country legally. Lawmakers assumed that since their parents were subject to the jurisdiction of the country where they were citizens—that is, their native country—so were their offspring, no matter where they were born.

Ah, but if you do a little more research, you’ll discover a secret that’s been kept out of our history books for more than 100 years:

There are compelling reasons to believe that the 14th Amendment was never legally adopted by a sufficient number of states to make it a valid part of our Constitution. This is why the second part of today’s column is called “the Illegal 14th.”

First we begin with the fact that the Southern states never left the union. Oh, I’ll admit they tried to. We fought a terrible war over the issue. But Abraham Lincoln refused to recognize the Confederacy as a separate, legitimate government. Instead, he fought the war to keep the Confederacy from seceding. When the North won, Lincoln was ready to welcome the South back “with malice toward none.”

But if the Southern states never left the Union, then as soon as hostilities ended, those states and their citizens were entitled to all of the promises and protections of the U.S. Constitution. With me so far?

In the aftermath of the war all of the states that had comprised the Confederacy reformed their state governments, including both branches of their legislatures. (Remember, the Constitution guarantees every state “a republican form of government.”)

When the Federal Congress approved the 13th Amendment abolishing slavery, and submitted it to the states, it was promptly ratified by most of the states in the former Confederacy and became part of our Constitution.

But this was not enough for the Radical Republicans (as they were called then) who controlled Congress. They wanted to punish the South. Even more important, they didn’t want the Southern states sending people to Congress who would oppose their plans for Reconstruction. So they proposed the 14th Amendment.

I can find no evidence that the 14th Amendment was ever approved by a two-thirds majority of the House and the Senate as the Constitution requires. In fact, there were plenty of contemporaries back in 1878 who said it was not. Nevertheless, the Radical Republican majority approved a resolution saying it had passed and submitted it to the states.

Six states that had approved the 13th Amendment balked at approving the 14th. The legislatures of Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Louisiana, North Carolina and South Carolina said “no!” (So, incidentally, did New Jersey and Ohio.)

The Radicals in Washington were furious. They promptly approved a series of bills, called the Reconstruction Acts that divided the former Confederacy into 10 military districts. The legislatures of each state were ordered dismissed “by force of arms” and were replaced by political hacks appointed by the Federal army of occupation. Seven of these military-controlled bodies then did as they were told and “ratified” the 14th Amendment.

These “rump” governments were a far cry from “the republican form of government” that the Constitution guaranteed each state. Our Founding Fathers would have been aghast at what was done in the aftermath of that very un-civil war. And they wouldn’t have agreed for a second that any “vote” by these so-called legislatures could authorize a change to the Constitution.

But change it they did. When news of these coercive measures reached Washington, Secretary of State William Seward at first refused to ratify the amendment. He was quickly brought into line by the Radical Republicans in Congress however, and on July 20, 1868, he dutifully proclaimed that the 14th Amendment was now part of our Constitution.

And here’s something you probably never considered: The effects of this nefarious bit of legislative chicanery go far beyond citizenship for a few million children of illegal immigrants.

Bet you didn’t know that the 14th Amendment has been used by the Supreme Court as the legal justification for banning prayer in public schools… or authorizing abortion on demand… for requiring the forced busing of children… or scores of other usurpations of power by our central government.

If you’ve stayed with me this far I’m sure you’re saying to yourself, “Can this possibly be true? And if it is, how is it possible that the legality of the 14th Amendment has never been challenged in the courts?”

My answer to the first question is, “Yes, I believe it is true. The 14th Amendment was never legally ratified.”

My answer to the second is, “I don’t know.” I have not been able to find any record that any Federal court has ever issued a ruling on the adoption of “the illegal 14th.” I can’t even find evidence of the issue being raised in a lawsuit filed in a Federal court.

I can understand why those who benefit from today’s Goliath Government want to keep this issue swept under the heaviest rug they can find. But where have the conservative and libertarian talk shows, think tanks, advocacy groups and tax-free foundations been for the past 50 years? Have any of them raised this issue? Written articles about it? Made even a peep of protest?

If they have, I’m not familiar with it. If you know otherwise please tell me, because I really would like to know.

And so should every American who’s concerned about the future his country.

Until next time, keep some powder dry.

—Chip Wood

Chip Wood

is the geopolitical editor of PersonalLiberty.com. He is the founder of Soundview Publications, in Atlanta, where he was also the host of an award-winning radio talk show for many years. He was the publisher of several bestselling books, including Crisis Investing by Doug Casey, None Dare Call It Conspiracy by Gary Allen and Larry Abraham and The War on Gold by Anthony Sutton. Chip is well known on the investment conference circuit where he has served as Master of Ceremonies for FreedomFest, The New Orleans Investment Conference, Sovereign Society, and The Atlanta Investment Conference.

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  • http://google mike b.

    I wonder if the jihadist islamic terriosts have children born here would they become legal also? Dont you love this hope and change. Hussein Obama is a dangerous thug.

    • American liberal

      Mike… Who wouldn’t want change when you’re talking about the last administration…. And as far as President Obama being a thug… Why don’t you list the reasons why you think he’s a thug….. Surely it’s not just because he gave us healthcare?.. It’s easy to just be a lemming and call president Obama vile names… But you need to say “why”.. I can list the reasons why Bush was a ” thug”…and giving us healthcare doesn’t rate ” thug” to me….

      • Meteorlady

        Am Lib – you really need to change some of our cut and paste posts – they are getting old. Thanks

        • PT

          Ah, commrade Metrolady I see you follow the follow the communist line started in this country by Russian immigrants of the late 19th century! BTW were you grand parents immigrants fleeing the Czar after the assaaaination of Czar Alexander II?

          The lesson to be learned from Russia is letting in people of different cultures means death of the previous culture!

          By the way do you have pictures of the Rosenbergs placed conspiciously in your house?

          • Areucrazi

            My great grandparents came into the country legally from Germany. I actually have the paperwork to prove it. If ANYONE wants to come to the US and would like to became an American Citizen, then they she do it LEGALLY. What upsets me the most is that I deal with International Students. They have to have all paperwork in order for them to enter this country. They have to pay taxes, health insurance, medical care and the list goes on just like the Legal Citizens of this country. Tell me how is it fair if they have to do this and the ones that come here sneaking over the boarder DO NOT???

            I have work my tail end to the bone to have what little bit I have. Don’t tell me that our own US Citizens do not want to do labor work. This is where it all started. Illegal men and women couldn’t do anything else, because, guess what? They were illegal. My husband was in construction for nearly 31 yrs. He worked hard for his business. He felt quality was better than quantity. Then what happened to everyone in the labor business? He lost out to money hungry businessmen hiring illegal workers to pay them less wages. Of course it was fine for the illegal workers. They weren’t paying: self -employment tax, liability insurance, worker’s compensation or taxes of any manner.

            Their girlfriends were having babies as soon as they arrived here, so the baby and mother would have all the care that so many of our US Legal Citizens do not have. When construction fell so did the quality of our homes, so did the plumbers, electricians, drywalls, framers, roofers, heating and air, graders, concrete workers, painters, auto-mechanics and everyone else that was effected. No one could afford to buy or pay anyone. It was the dwindling down effect. Not only did the legal workers suffer, the businessmen that they worked so hard for suffered and you know why? What goes around came back around to bite the money hungry businessmen in the butt. Four families that worked long, hard, hot and cold weathers, lost everything. This was just in my husband’s work. Other friends and family member were experiencing the same thing. We didn’t live high on the hog. We are the middle-class, just trying to get by.

            I have nothing against someone coming into our country. I do have a problem with them coming into our country ILLEGALLY and anyone wanting to do HARM to us.

          • Airangel

            Russian immigrants at least worked and “put forth” in society and contributed to the prosperity of the United States…for that matter ALL LEGAL IMMIGRANTS coming through Ellis Island made this their home…these illegal anchor babies grow up only knowing violence and hate because they have parents whose sole purpose is to get freebies from their existence and not to raise them with any values or morals…then they become gang members or criminals and learn nothing of what they could become through hard work and honest, ethical behavior…they don’t even respect their teachers, or school property or try and take advantage of the “gift” of free education. Instead they call teachers “putas” and vandalize property at our expense…they don’t say “thank you” or show “gratitude” for us taking feeding them, clothing them, offering education, healing them and protecting them with public services…they just spit in our face and say they would rather see us dead…and we should just accept that and ignore the animosity growing? I don’t think so! They actually pass pamplets out in Mexico on how to get the freebies and work the sytem in the USA…that is their business! They are so misquided and falsely led that it’s not entirely their fault, we are just as much to blame for allowing it and for not sending the right messages and for coddling Calderon!! These ILLEGALS only learn to lie, cheat and steal and hate America because of the resentment Americans are now showing them due to the generations of Americans supporting them with their hard earned money when they can barely support their own families…it’s not the Illegal childrens fault but our lack of enforcing Illegal immigration…it’s dividing this country into hate and violence…and I am talking about Illegals, not (Legals) who respected our laws and immigrated legally through proper chanels…they contribute to the economy and society rather than suck it dry.

          • gavrilo

            assaaaination of Czar Alexander II?????????? You mean, Nicholay II Romanov of Russia!!!!!

          • Right Wing

            Liberal posts of course make no sense and are (predictably) aimed at the Bush Administration or a characterization of conservative Americans as racist, terrorist, communist, etc. The obvious correct answer to the issue rests in the sensible posts concerning legal immigration. What else needs to be said? Illegal immigration left unchecked will erode the economy by taking away jobs that legal Americans can do and by illegals sending money to their home country. It is a combo punch to the gut. Anchor babies ensure that this process will continue unless the family becomes naturalized citizens, pays taxes, and carries their fair share of the cost burden to keep America running. Turning a blind eye to the problem as past administrations have done is bad enough but when you outright suggest that efforts to uphold the federal constitutional law (like Arizona has) as “misguided” (like the current administration has), you quickly see how misguided our country’s leadership is.

            Solution: those illegals that have been law-abiding, tax-paying citizen should be offered first chance at naturalization and helped to do so with little interruption in their lives. Those that have not been acting as citizens and fly their country’s flag on U.S. soil, should be deported with no more tax money wasted on them unless they return via legal means and engage in the naturalization process. Argue all you want about the minutia but this is what need to happen to start with. The rest of the details can be sorted from there.

      • chrisk

        Giving you health care? What, you think it is free?

        Wait until you see the ultimate fallout for this MANDATE! A law making health care mandatory is not giving you anything, you buffoon.

        • kenecarroll

          chrisk…you are absolutely right. This admisitration plans on imputing your health care as earned income. That will add on to your yearly pay and you will be taxed with about $15,000 – $20,000 added into your pay that you never even saw….its happening as we speak.

          • Evelyn

            This will only affect you if you work and file taxes, all those illegals, and welfare casees will just get it for free. And this is where we will find ourselves wanting to do just what they wanted, giving up…

          • toni

            Donot forget illegal aliens are exempt so are Muslems

          • Brenda

            Am I understanding this right? As income, do you mean that if I were to get sick, go to the hospital and my insurance pays for it that I will have that on my taxes as income paid to me?
            If so…….. what am I paying for all year on my paystub that says it is going to my healthcare??? And what are they using to pay my bills if not the money I, MYSELF am paying into it??

            Please tell me if I misunderstood… I really want to know what you mean….

          • Becky Fisher North Las Vegas

            Are you kidding me putting it into our paychecks look at me with the person in the senate HARRY REID its reveloution time folks.

          • James R

            That is correct. The newly passed healthcare reform law is one giant ammendment to the tax code. Read it and weap people. Why do you think the IRS is going to enforce the requirements of the healthcare law?

        • FarRight

          This reply is for Brenda replying to chrisk.
          I believe your blond roots are showing, the amount that we as employees pay into insurance premiums is normally only around 30-40% of the cost of our group policy, the employer typically pays the remaining 60-70%, that in what Obammer, Hairy and Nancy Baby are gonna tax us on as “imputed income” to pay for their socialized medicine.

          • Roger L Whited

            IF THERE WERE 12 MILLION IN THIS COUNTRY THAT DIDN’T HAVE HEALTHCARE WHY IS IT GOING TO TAKE $ 800, BILLION(MIGHT BE I AM A LITTLE LOW ON ESTIMATE) TO TAKE CARE OF THESE FEW OF WHO I AM ONE?

      • NM

        BUSH! A good man and a good president..God Bless America and God bless Bush!

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          I agree. Fact is, he did great things, and the numbers show it. Only left wing agenda says different, and they dont accept the truth, so who cares what they say.

          • BigBadJohn

            The numbers show that he doubled the national debt by opening the treasury to the richest Americans.

          • http://yahoo MARK

            I am not a left winger. I am a conservative with an open mind. It is unfortunate that some of you are so party illiterate that you believe all the brain washing that your party of choice tells you. Democrat AND Republican. They are all Globalist. If you would study the history (laws, executive orders, phylosophy and memberships etc.) of your chosen leaders, you would see that we have been duped by BOTH parties into a ONE WORLD belief and thinking. Central bank follower Woodrow Wilson started our current downfall and since then ALL presidents have been paid for by big business and banking. The last American president we had was Andrew Jackson. Don’t ask me to spell all of this out for you. I have spent the past 10 years in my own research of history and documents related to what I say. Thousands of hours of reading, 16 – 20 hour days dedicated to finding the TRUTH.I used to believe in how great our leaders were, but facts have opened my eyes. Before any of you insult your intellengence by defending our past leaders, educate yourself.

          • tim

            “W” a Great president……???

            That is the most hilarious thing I’ve heard in DECADES………..

            “Catastrophic” leadership………PERIOD (except, right after 9/11, and then, he blew it, because he got “personal with Saddam)……..

          • WakeupUS

            Mark: You are a very smart man! Most people don’t know what you just explained in your comment. I know very few people who are aware of this and so they keep fighting amongst themselves not realizing that is what our leaders want. They want us distracted from the fact that they are all screwing us over. They have been bought out by the bank owners for generations. Any president who has thought about parting ways with the banks has been killed or they tried to kill him just to scare him back into submission. Yes, it is not worth defending any current presidents. You will make yourself look like a fool. You can say you are conservative or liberal, but don’t insult yourself by actually claiming a party. You only have to look around the globe to see that the bank leaders are in control of the world. If they want us to suffer they cause an economic catastrophy, a war, or take away some more of our rights. Wake up people! The real war is already over and all that is left are the battles until we all realize that we are really already under the control of whoever is in charge of the banks. The Federal Reserve is not owned by the US government it is owned by individual people. Wake up! Wake up!

        • Areucrazi

          Amen

          • toni

            And AMEN

          • Crewswho

            Are we all aware that if the president and company can cause enough civil disorder, he can declare an emergency, and stay in office? 1012 – and by 1016 there may not be such a thing as elections.

        • Josh

          Bush is a war criminal and should be tried for this and treason against the country. He is purely a puppet of his international masters and the military industrial complex of the country which accounts for 50 per cent of the country’s GDP.

          • tim

            Right you are, Josh………

          • http://aol wayne a

            josh and tim you are IDIOTS!show me proof,show me facts.next time you get a case of diarrhea of the mouth at least have some facts!

          • Bud

            Josh,
            What have you been smoking? May I have some?

          • shray77

            and you think obama isnt?, a puppet just keep thinking that way.

          • SeniorChief

            Let’s not let facts get in the way of a great party line, Josh. For the purpose of this furom I’ll use “Josh” as code for every declared “liberal” or “progressive” that I’ve ever come across. During the Bush administration this country went through the most devistating attach in our history outside of the Civil War, in case you forgot, it happened on September 11th, 2001. I was in Arabian Gulf when it happened supporting UN sactions against IRAQ. Have you ever wondered what it would feel like, Josh, to not know whether you where going to be attacked and not know where it may come from Josh. Again, just in case you forgot, Iraq slaughtered thousands of Kuwaiti’s in 1990 and 1991; among other attrocities. Oh, and he tried to assassinate a U.S. President (but you probably don’t know who that was). That was called the “Gulf War” Josh, I was there too. Little was heard in the States about Saddam Hussien’s daily attempts to shoot down our brave military pilots that were ordered to patrol the “no fly zone.” Little was said about the military lives lost supporting that effort. Little was said about the United Nation getting tired of dealing with Iraq or the movement inside the UN to lift the sanctions on Iraq (if you think that would have been a good thing-you realy are the idiot Wayne says you are). Iraq was readying itself for the lifting of UN sanctions and WOULD HAVE BEEN the primary threat to world stability.

            Bush DOUBLED THE DEFICIT during his term – that’s all? President Bush kept your sorry butt safe for eight years, but let’s not give him the credit; it would have happened anyways, right Josh.

            Josh, Obama quadrupled the deficit, ARE YOU BLIND! How can you argue negatively that Bush doubled the deficit while supporting Obama doubling down on that. Obama aplogizes for America, do you agree with that? Maybe we should apologize to the millions of Muslims we have saved from tyranny! Serbia/Kosovo (I was there), Iraq (I was there), Afhganistan (I was there, too – where were you Josh!)

            To all you “follow the Democtrat part line no matter what it is” folks out there, I only ask this: Please get some critical thinking skills!

            Go Navy!
            God Bless our troops and God Bless America!

          • JeffH

            SeniorChief, first off, Thank you for your service. Second…well said although the Joshs’ will get a bit upset with your words.

          • Right Wing

            Senior Chief…thank you. JeffH I doubt they will be back to say anything. There are two groups of people you never disrespect…the soliders and their families that bravely served to preserve freedom and the gravedigger that takes care of the ones that made the ultimate sacrifice.

          • usainshambles

            CREWSWHO YOU ARE SO RIGHT! THAT IS WHAT I’M SCARED OF IS “MARSHAL LAW” IF THAT HAPPENS WE ALL BETTER GO TO CANADA OR SOMEWHERE CAUSE, WE’RE SCREWED. HE PROBABLY HAS THAT PLANNED, HE’S SO EVIL. CAN’T WE DO SOMETHING TO GET HIM OUT OF OFFICE LIKE IMPEACHMENT? IF SOMEONE KNOWS COULD THEY RESPOND, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW. I READ IN THE BILL OF RIGHTS THAT WE COULD IMPEACH BOTH THE PRESIDENT AND THE VICE PRESIDENT AT THE SAME TIME ON CERTAIN GROUNDS. HE HAS BROKEN ABOUT 3 ALREADY.JUST WONDERING>

          • usainshambles

            WHY ARE WE STILL TALKING ABOUT BUSH? DAMN, OBAMA IS 1000XS WORSE DO YOU HEAR ALL THE STUFF HE IS GOING TO DO?

        • http://aol wayne a

          at least he was sincere,amen!

          • Chaos Factor

            Wayne… You wouldn’t know, comprehend or believe a fact if one sat on your nose….this country is where it is because of Bush

          • Bud

            Chaos Causer,
            You’re leaving out Jimmah Carter, Bill Clinton, Chris Dodd, and Barney Frank, not to mention The Exalted One, B. Hussein Obama.

          • Right Wing

            Bud, Chaos factor does not even have a nose for a fact to sit on. The problem with libs is they are historically short sighted and Bush is the only solid piece of history that their medical marijuana has not distorted…yet.

        • KELLI2L

          In my opinion:
          Bush had the evil doers on the run and that is preferable in my opinion to the suck-up in the WH today….who’s very good at appologizing for America…..and very good at allowing Congress to bankrupt us, or using his analogy – driving this car into the ditch for total destruction…..

          But the Bush administration hurt our economy by not stopping ILLEGAL immigration, which is a huge drag on Americas’ resources, and giving by giving tax breaks to the wealthy…..When you want to grow your nations economic wealth, you give tax breaks to business when they can prove they are hiring….and creating long-term jobs with living wage salaries….He gave tax breaks with no requirements…..that does nothing to create jobs….and Obama is making those same mistakes…..

      • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Linda

        Well you stupid ah why don’t you take care of the dirtbags you ignorant dumb ah

        • jbird

          Linda,
          Did you just come in off the playground? Good grief! Let’s keep the discussion on an adult level. If you’ve got nothing more than name calling to add then go somewhere else. Please.

          • Evil_Fluffy

            Playground? Linda should try staying awake in elementary English class so as to better learn grammar and punctuation. Her comment exudes a total lack of mental capacity.

      • paul kimrey

        President O didn’t give us health care, he rammed and crammed it down our throats against the VAST majority of the people’s wishes with threats,bribes and back room deals. If thats not a THUG what is?

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Amen brother, your preaching to the choir. And he set this up with the democrats buddies insurance companies, who no doubt will pocket billions off of this, and then fill the democrats pockets with our hard earned money that they all scammed us on. The poor working mother who couldnt afford insurance, will now be forced to buy it or pay a heavy fine for not buying it. That is so wrong, but that is how they set this up to insure they make some heavy cash. Only Joe Crack dealer who doesnt have a job, will benefit from this. All the homies sitting on the porches across America drinking 40′s and smoking pot all day, they benefit from this. Not one working person benefits from this. Those without insurance will now be forced to buy it, and those of us who have always paid for it through our employers, will now have our premiums raised, our coverage lessened, and these new government approved democrat buddies insurance companies will be allowed to charge people what ever they want, and will give minimum coverage, as they laugh all the way to the bank. Its a bad thing these democrats did, hiding in the back room behind close doors, and slipping this in against 65 to 70 percent of what America wanted. Shame on them.

          • Diamond Dave

            Berberoni – you a remarkably stupid human being. So your positon is that of the 45 MILLION – once more 45 MILLION people without health care – they are mainly crack heads and I guess people of color tapping 40′s on the porch. Well my friend those welfare warriors already get health care through Medicare and state top-ups. So they don’t need it. BUt yes working single Mom she sure does and the legislation makes it pretty clear she won’t be fined for not getting health unless she’s follish and short-sighted. It will cost a single Mom making $30,000 a year $600 a year for health coverage for her and her kids including prescription drug plan. Cover can no longer be cancelled for a pre-existing condition (so if you get a heart attack from your daily regiment of pork rinds and sausage biscuits you won’t get dropped by your own carrier) and to try and say that the Democrat Health Care companies are the big beneficiaries is just plain dumb.

          • Diamond Dave

            As for behind closed doors – welcome to American politics and governance based on representation by population as opposed to governance by whining illiterate mob mentality. The people who passed Health Care were duly elected officials. Just like the same morons who agreed with GW Bush to go in and not finish what his Daddy couldn’t finish in Iraq. Left, right – politicians are liars, but they are the best we have right now. So if you don’t like the choices get supporters, run for office and Be The Change! Otherwise just shut up.

          • tim

            Berberoni…..you are dimented………….

            Like i told others…….come to the South Side of Chicago projects and utter those words……….

            Again, you wouldn’t last 3 minutes…….you would run scared like a little puppy………..

          • American Citizen

            Plus, you’ll be lucky if you get the care you need. I heard a Senator (didn’t catch his name), who is also a doctor and practiced for 25 years, say there is a shortage right now of 150,000 primary care doctors. If this healthcare? bill isn’t rescinded, you will have to wait at least 42 days to be seen by your primary care doctor. The ER’s. which are already overrun by Medicaid patients, will have an even tougher time. The cost of medical care will go up, not down. The bill is a travesty for this country.

          • Bud

            Diamond Dave,
            You need to stop regurgitating the idiot talking points of the libtard statist fascists. My understanding is that there are, possibly, 12 million people in the country WHO WANT MEDICAL INSURANCE who might not have it. A good number of those 45 million the lib talking points claim have no insurance are eligible for various existing programs for medical care. Even your Exalted One lowered that number drastically in some of his public comments/statements.

          • Vicki

            Diamond Dave (and others) need to recheck their economics 101

            Add 45 million people to the demand side. Add 0 to the supply side.
            What happens to the price? Oh and toss in several trillion more in paper dollars in circulation.

            Now this does presume that most of the 45 million decide to go to the doctor. Remember this is a Health Insurance bill not a Health Care bill.

            Of course most of them will go to the doctor cause the insurance will be paying for it. So Demand skyrockets. Supply doesn’t move. Lots more dollars in circulation. Only one possible result of this equation.

          • Right Wing

            Diamond Dave…you never should have quit your singing career for reading the que cards of the liberal agenda setters. You are one angry, misguided American. I know how the Tea Party voted so I know my vote is heard loud and clear. Healthcare was rammed down the throats of Americans with a candy-coating of moral dilema. The fact is the government is not authorized to distribute federal tax money for charity. Public health care is a weak point in the hearts of Americans where the government will push for control. Big O got it done. But our voice will be heard so watch the November elections and be prepared to take your minority viewpoint to the trash.

          • Right Wing

            As for Tim…bring it to the south side of Chicago projects? You are out there my friend. You seem to suggest that the people who live in places like Robert Taylor (which were torn down) are just hapless victims! I really don’t think they are victims of anything except themselves. If anyone has an ounce of pride in themselves, then they feel ashamed when someone offers help. If they really want to change then they do it…they don’t sit back and panhandle or sell drugs to “get by”. I for one don’t work my butt off to help someone else I don’t even know “get by”. I help enough people I know because I feel a moral obligation to do it. I do NOT feel the government can take my money and decide who and where it goes to help. And as for your gansta pride that no one would last 3 minutes…you are right. I know city paramedics and they didn’t even go to the southside on holiday nights or after Bulls games because they would get shot at. They only went to clean up in the morning.

          • Angel

            The fact that there are a couple on here so far as I have read…that are absolutely right. That was Mark and WakeupUS…the Federal Reserve controls both sides..the Republicans and the Democrats. Look at the fact that both Bush and Obama have spoken of a New World Order. How many other presidents have spoken of the same? President JFK was assassinated right before he was to sign papers to do away with the Federal Reserve. One of his speeches spoke of the repugnance of secret societies. That, my friends is called the Illuminati who is behind the Federal Reserve. The 13 riches families in the world.

            Now, for the health care aspect. Working mothers, who will have to pay for this or get fined, will be forced…BECAUSE of this, to quit working. I hope you can see where this is going. In doing so, then they no longer get fined or have to pay out of their checks. This is EXACTLY what the government wants. The more you need their help, the more they CONTROL you.

            As for the immigration and anchor babies,firstly, Obama himself was born in Kenya. I do have some Kenyan friends who still live there 192 miles from Obama’s grandmother. So, he (Obama) is a little touchy on the immigration issue. Secondly, they have every intention of opening up the borders to both Mexico and Canada and that is why government is fighting this. This was their intention when they wrote the 14th amendment. This all has been planned for many MANY a year now.

            We are not fee and have been duped. People do need to wake up. I, and many friends of mine have also been doing the research. They OWN us. They have life insurance policies on all of us. If you delve into what they are doing with food and drugs you will be able to see how they are trying to kill us. Research drugs and vaccines. Go to the health freedom site. It all fits together like pieces of a jigsaw puzzle. After awhile of looking at all the pieces…you can see the big picture!

          • Jana

            WOO HOO BB,
            We are getting bold and stepping out and making our voices heard. You are being attacked for it, but we have to consider the source.
            Those that think all of this secrecy is so great and stand for dishonesty in our government follow Obama like baby sheep going to the slaughter.
            Every time a new regime, communist, socialist etc comes in guess who are the ones who suffer the most? Thats right, its the poor people of our society. And these are the ones being led around by the nose and they can’t smell the danger. The others just have blinders on.
            I am always so surprised to hear when someone who loves loves loves Obama and blindly follows him, say they are Christians. These Christians must not read their Bible and if they do its with blinders on.

          • Jana

            I will even go one step further. Anyone who blindly follows any person, Democrat, Republican or Libertarian, will be greatly disppointed. These are people and they make mistakes. If we keep our eyes on God and choose leaders from that perspective, we will still be disappointed because they are human, but we will certainly have a better chance of having the Great Country that we have always been.
            It seems like since the 80′s we have gotten less and less good representation, and we are doing nothing but going downhill.

          • Sunshine

            Angel, Mark, and a VERY FEW others (you know who you are)..You so obviously have done your homework! I spend 4 & 1/2 years as a civilian in the military in Viet Nam. When I came home, I soon realized the lies I and others working in Nam had been spoon fed, and I began (45 years ago) researching government – everything they proposed, every bill they passed that came to public attention, (so many bills we never hear about), looking for and reading documents, etc. You have NO idea how every little item that you run across has a million tenacles-like an octopus, and every tenacle leads to another tenacle. It’s mind-boggling! I soon realized that everything that happens in government and in our lives has been planned for GENERATIONS – non of this just happened yesterday! For those who are UNINFORMED, try googling NWO and be prepared to spend the rest of your days reading (all the tenacles)and becoming educated about what is actually taking place in our lives today. Or to make it simple for you, just do the following: first, read the Communist Manifesto, and then research the background of every on of the 10 planks (which we have already adopted in this country). And then get into the “tenacles”. Second, have you ever looked into the background of the “pictures” on the back of a $1 bill? It shows the front and back of The Great Seal of the United States. Look up the Latin words “Novus Ordo Seclorum”. This two-step lesson should start you into a few tenacles which should give you better information about what has been going on for hundreds of years, which directly affect what is happening in our government and in our lives today, and hopefully you will come out of it better able to post a knowledgable, informed treatise.

        • toni

          Also sence they have no authority under the Constitution to pass Healthcare!

          • Chaos Factor

            Diamond Dave… That’s a couple of very good post from you… Keep’m coming..

        • Knute

          Diddo!!!

        • Vicki

          Health insurance (what really got passed) is NOT equal to health care and it will not be even close to free. If it were free then the government would not be forcing me and you to buy it at gunpoint.

          Think I am kidding about the gun? Try not buying the health insurance or dare to buy it from your choice of insurance companies that happen to not have paid off the government to be “approved”

      • Doug

        American Lib please explain how Obamanation gave us health care. Is he and his puppet master Soros paying the bill? You really should stop readying your illustrated childerns book and read something of substance such as the bill that you think gives us health care.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          No, the working man, you and me are paying the bill, so that the free loaders and illegal aliens can get another handout. Just the facts man.

        • American liberal

          Dougie … The healthcare bill has already become law… So why are you asking the question” how can he give us healthcare”…. I explained to you yesterday how it works…..the party that wins the election sets the agenda… President Obamas platform he ran on was healthcare ….and when Bush won he set the agenda… And that was tax cuts for the rich and a war aginst Iraq…..he did just that…..I didn’t like Bushs agenda…. You don’t like Obamas Agenda……get it yet ?

          • http://aol wayne a

            american liberal,and i use american loosely!first bush had the same intelligence before him that was presented to the committee,made up of rep. and dem. alike, who voted to send it to congress that voted 100% to go into iraq!second show the proof in print that bush’s agenda was to lower taxes just on the rich!as far as you bleeding hearts that claim the iraq war had to do with oil,what did we get out of it,nothing.and fact george bush jr. had no,no investments in the oil industry what so ever.the two congressman that had the most to gain was ted kennedy and john kerry,fact!

          • American Citizen

            The tax cuts were not “just for the rich, you Dems mantra”, everybody got them. Just wait until Obama lets them expire. You ain’t seen nothin’ yet.

          • Vicki

            American liberal says:
            “….the party that wins the election sets the agenda…”

            That must be why the founding fathers tried to create a Constitutionally LIMITED Republic. They knew the temptations that would befall man. How those in power would try to amass more power.

            It worked while men honored their oaths and upheld those Constitutional limits to government powers.

          • Jeep

            AL, you are so right. The Bush tax cuts were absolutely for the “rich”. That is if you count about the top 50% of the country as “rich”. Keeping in mind, of course, that the lower 50% do not pay any taxes, it is a little hard to give ‘em a tax cut…hmmm…

      • Rjp1952

        We don’t need his Health Care. If it was about all those w/o health care, they would have it immediately rather than 4 years down the roadk. Obama has surrounded himself with Marxist radicals and communists, this country is not about that. The health care is just a means to control us and reduce our freedoms. Obama uses union thugs and Marxists to protest/riot just as they are doing in Greece. What you see happening in Greece now, is us in a few years. So, surrounded by marxists, communists, and taking his advice form radicals and leftist union leaders like SEIU, He has distanced himself from the Reverand Wright, only because it was convenient, but that doesn’t work to those who are informed. We know Obama all to well and we know what he is. You can dress him up amd make him talk pretty, but he still smells the same.

        • American liberal

          Rjp…. Healthcare already passed…. You said you didn’t need it?.. Fine… I didn’t need a War aginst Iraq but I got it…. You don’t like the healthcare bill or anything else about President Obama.. Fine again … I didn’t like The war aginst Iraq or anything else about Bush..,.I also think all the things you accuse president of being are really true of Bush….. That’s the way it goes isn’t it…… I also will keep pointing out that most of the spending you accuse Obama of are bailouts that Bush caused… But I’m positive that won’t matter to you..

          • del

            It is my understanding that Clinton was the one that signed the fair housing act. That is what caused the majority of our financial problems. What did Bush do to bankrupt this country?

          • http://aol Glad to Serve

            Amer Lib- Health care is being forced on all working Americans who pay taxes. There was no representation in Washington for the people, only for the elite sitting on the hill. The war was fought by those who VOLUNTEERED to serve their country. WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR YOUR COUNTRY BUT BELLYACHE!! Barry O has acted like a Chicago gangster ever since he was elected (by less than 50% of Americans). He has ruled the roost by threats, intimidation, bribery and coercion, both in the open and behind closed doors. He blatantly holds the people of this country (mostly the whites- as a total racist) in utter contempt. He still has not proved that he is an American citizen! When will you people realize what kind of a man he is? When he throws down a prayer rug in the White House and declares the Muslim religion the state religion? He hates everything about this country and has said it many times in his lifetime, including his time in Chicago as a community activist and in his church with rev. wright. Wake up and smell the communism.

          • Bud

            del,
            No it was Jimmah Carter who signed the “Community Reinvestment Act.” Slick Willie Clinton put the Act into overdrive, and the excesses of Freddie/Fannie, etc. were protected doggedly by Barney Frank (who was sleeping with a guy from one of those agencies) and Chris Dodd (he of the special mortgage loan) through their committee positions.

          • Vicki

            The evidence to support the assertion that Barny Frank and Chris Dodd and others blocked President Bush and his parties efforts to investigate the problems at Freddie Mac and Fannie Mai before they caused the economic problems of 2008

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs

          • JustaPatriot38

            I am a bit like the cat making love to the skunk, I’ve enjoyed about all of this I can stand! Mr. American liberal, if you ever take off your blinders and remove your rose colored glasses this world we are becoming will literally scare the hell out of you. There has been a couple or three pretty intelligent dissertations among this mass of drivel, such as by Mark or WakeupUS, but you say you don’t like Bush, and others say they don’t like Obama, but I don’t like either one of them and several before them. Most of what we hear in the news about all the different issues are simply chaff and flack to confuse the public and mask what the New World Order is attempting to do; destroy this country, to make it conform to the third world philosophy. Redistribution of wealth! A level playing field is very boring, and it stifles competition and the will to get ahead. We will no longer be the “Land of Opportunity.” This didn’t start with Obama, but he has taken the mistakes of several past presidents and put them on steroids. Just get a mental picture of this, if it isn’t too much for you; here is Uncle Sam, on his back with many ropes holding him down. Each rope is held by some lilliputian Congressman or Obama Czar. Some upstart dictator is taking a dump in his top hat off to the side. There is a long-legged MacDaddy called Obama standing on his chest with a mallet in one hand and a stake above Uncle Sams heart in the other. All the little liberal mental patients and illegal aliens are standing around jumping and clapping and cheering! When the mallet comes down, the stake goes in, and the New World Order will commence in earnest. I hope you will enjoy what you have wished for. I am sure I won’t, because I enjoy a Constitutional Republic under limited capitalism, where I get to keep some of what I earn and distribute my charity as I see fit. Socialism has always failed, but recovering from it is unfortunately a very painful process. One must remember, such things as free entitlements, regardless of whether it is health care or whatever, are not free. Someone has to pay for them. When all the working people, wealthy or middle class, get tired of working for nothing because the government takes it all and gives it to the “entitled masses” who are the non-productive leaches who could work but won’t, they will give up and become one more of the “entitled” and there will then be no one left to steal money from to give away. Remember, wealthy people are necessary in the overall process because you have never been offered employment by a poor person. Now we can all starve together rather than stand together and the country will fail. Won’t that be wonderful? Pull your head out and look around you. We must learn that multi-cultural, multi-lingual countries never survive due to the greed and stresses caused by it. Man cannot serve two masters, let alone three or a dozen; and two sets of laws, the Constitution and Sharia, cannot coexist. If you hyphenate your race, such as African-American or Hispanic-American, and etc., you are not a real U.S. Citizen, but a divided citizen, and you don’t know where your loyalty lies. If you don’t like living in a Constitutional Republic, where we tolerate any religion, even none, and a great deal more, then please, please just go to some other country where they do things more to your liking; just don’t come in to my country and screw it up trying to make it conform to your culture. Learn to be a part of the melting pot, not the salad bowl! It might be wise if Australia, a fine, well governed country with a single culture, begins to prepare for a serious influx of immigrants from the United States who can afford to move before the collapse. This really isn’t a laughing matter. Wake up America!

          • kilrntex

            I’ll sure be glad when we as Christian Soldiers get our chance to lay our healing hands on you liberal’s throats or heads. That is the only way we can change your mindless thinking and reprogram your robotic brain. Only then will you be healed and able to carry on a conversation with real people. You people have a scary mindset, but you have bark and no bite. We have a small bark, but a huge bite.

        • Right Wing

          JP38…good post. Sorry about the skunk though…sounds like a bad night. Your summation is rational and to the point which is all the reason why the liberals will not respond (if at all) with anything but slander, diversion, or nonsense. I particularly liked your “Swift-esque” analogy.

      • Kemp

        Mike,, wait untill you get the bill on the health care he is”giving”us.Remember thre are no free rides someone will PAY.. (taxpayers)

        • American liberal

          Kemp… Were still paying the Bill for Bushs tax cuts to the rich and his war in Iraq and the interest on our debt to China…. The healthcare bill has yet to cost you a penny and unless you make more than 250,000 a year it shouldn’t cost you….. The bailouts are also spending we can trace back to Bush….and the same people that advised Obama also advised Bush and McCain…..both partys voted on the bailouts and they started during the last administration…… I’ll take Obama spending on healthcare anyday opposed to the rightwing war in Iraq and tax cuts to the rich… Which I doubt you are…

          • toni

            Tell that to a friend of mine who is 70 yrs old and still working and AT&T is talking about cutting their benifits because of the cost of healthcare Bill. Im a vet & I can’t aford healthcare eather I must fire the people who work for my co. or close my business altogether and lay everyone off if I have to buy healthcare or pay fines Get the picture.

          • American Citizen

            I guess you’re not a senior citizen. We got no COLA raise this year nor will we for the next two years, yet Congressmen and women gave themselves a 10% raise. The cost of living is going up. Our utility bills are getting bigger, even though we’re trying to use less. Our grocery bill keeps going up, even though I try to buy only what we need. You liberals are going to be the death of this country as we know it. Stop forging those chains.

          • Vicki

            And tell me please AL if you will. Why, If the health insurance bill is such a good deal, are all the members of congress exempt?

      • Abraham, Springfield, PA

        I agree with yu9. Those who STILL and WILL most certainly hate Obama are the RACIAL BIGOTS of America. They are the scum of civilized people. You are abslutely right. Obama has not done anything as outrageous as Bush, the “worst president America ever had”. You can imageine how chagrined all Obama haters were when an outsider, The Noble Prize Committee of Europe awarded him the world’s greatest honor. What awaits the racial bigots?—I hope to see the day when Bush is finally summoned to face charges for CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY and at the Hague for murdering more than half a million Iraqis who didn’t have anything to do with 9-11 or WMDs and be summoned in an American court for DECEIVING the American people into going into war in Iraq without justification.

        • gary

          Abraham what would you have done? I do not want to know what you “would not have done”.

        • CJ

          Abraham, you need to look again. Obama has done more damage to this country in one year than Bush did in eight. Now, calling everybody names doesn’t help your position either. It just shows how little you are if you can’t come up with original thought and have to stoop to slinging derogatory insults, then you might want to seek help dealing with the poison you hold in. Provide something constructive, please.

          • Chaos Factor

            Cj… List Obamas crimes…. You neo cons all call him the same names Rush abd Glenn Beck tell you to call him… And you all claim he’s destroying the country … But none of you say what he’s done.,..,. Keep in mind that Healthcare hasn’t cost you a penny….and the Bailouts voted on while the last administration was still in office and that almost all the spending has been trying to stimulate the economy that was in freefall before we even had an election … You might add what rights you think you’ve lost…ok.. List away

          • linda latham

            Amen! This country is going down fast under the present administration. I am sure Bush contributed as well as all other Presidents way back. However America has never seen the likes of what we have now and if something isn’t done we may never recover. Gone will be the days of the Land of the Free!
            I believe we have lived with God’s blessings this long because we were a Christian nation. Now we are fastly becoming a Muslim nation– will God remove His blessing? We need to pray for Christian leaders and a revival before its too late.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Yeah right. You show your complete ignorance and who is the racist here when you bring up the race card. YOUR A RACIST sir. I could care less what color this jerk in the white house is. He is a left wing liberal pacifist appeaser, as was Bill Clinton before him. He is a democrat, tax raising, hand out giving, enemy butt kissing anti American, and that is why I dont like him. But dont you even bring his skin color into this you racist piece of crap. He is half white also, ok. He isnt black, he isnt white, he is a human being. Get over your prejudice, and put the race card away. A black man as you called him has risen to the highest office in the land, and if he can do, any other person can do it. The race card is dead. The only thing holding anybody back is themselves and their attitudes. You are a pathetic human being to still throwing the race card around. Shame on you.

          • Areucrazi

            I couldn’t have said it better Beheroni.

          • tim

            Hey Berberoni……….What red-neck militia do YOU belong to………
            Are you wholed-up in the woods somewhere WAITING, for next American Revolution?………….

          • del

            I think Tim has a problem with rednecks. Even though there are far more patriotic rednecks than there are any other geo specific group of people. Maybe he is just anti American.

          • tim

            No Del…….not un-american…….
            Just don’t much like Red-Necks…………..

          • libertytrain

            Tim – you’re showing your racist tendencies again.

          • del

            Why don’t you like rednecks tim? Is it offensive to you that, values and morals are still practice in the southern states? Why don’t you tell me. Seriously give it a moment of thought and tell me why exactly you have a problem with the south. I’m not looking for a battle of words with you. I am honestly interested in your opinion.

          • Jana

            BB,
            Be aware Tim goes by 3 names,
            Tim, tim, and timr.

            Its so nice to see he has calmed down a bit from previous posts, but obviously still can’t control himself all the way.

          • Right Wing

            Yeah timmy is a real piece of work. Prejudice for sure and likes to think of all conservatives as red necks. He is probably a metro-sexual still feeling the anger that his heroes like Adam Lambert and Johnny Weir only had a few minutes of fame before being relegated to the stockpiles of freak shows pushed forward by liberals.

        • crystal

          I don’t support Obama. I’m African American and I haven’t agreed with one darn thing he has done since he got into office. The only thing I can give him credit for is the fact that he’s got me really reading the bills and legislation being passed with a fine tooth comb.

          • Mickey

            Please drop the “African” from American. You are one of us. The separation is being used to condone Mexicans saying they are Mexican Americans when we know they are not.

            I have six nationalities in my family but all of us are US citizens.

            But you are right, the whole country is readiing and listening now. We are no longer separatists. Thank you.

        • Tammy

          You drank the koolaid of the mental disordered liberals. You are a hopeless cause.

        • American liberal

          Abraham…. Good post…… When you get attacked like you have on this site means you’ve told the truth…

          • Vincent

            Keep drinking the kool aid and repeat the lies you are being told by your master. Democrats are the most racist people in the USA. They point the finger at everyone else all the while they are using the worst form of discrimination which is tearing apart families with your reward for not getting married (Welfare) and your reward for not getting a job (Welfare and Foodstamps and Medicaid). You democrats are also responsible for the low birth rate in our country by advertising in our public schools the availabilty and recommendation that girls have abortions as a form of birth control.

          • airangel

            @Am Lib…you would’t know the truth if it appeared to you via a burning bush because you’re so hung up on being a reverse racist of whites!

          • Right Wing

            ALib, I never thought that pissing people off by making foolish remarks would be a good measure of success? I guess if you have a patent desire to draw a negative focus on yourself while also showing your limited intellect then your sights are set? If you have set this (mediocre) standard for yourself and your liberal friends then let me be the first to congratulate you on your many past and future successes here. Way to go you mental limbo contestants.

        • Cathy

          Cut out the freakin’ racial bigot thing, OK? That’s all the libtards do whenever ANYONE criticizes Barry in ANY way. It’s because we are bigots. No…it’s because he of his policies.

          For all you Obummer lovers, check out his past, at least what you can find since he’s hidden most of it.

          If I were back in my childhood, my mother would not have allowed me to hang around with his associates, and probably not Obummer either! “Birds of a feather flock together.” Get it?

        • joant

          Abraham, What are you talking about? Obama, didn’t get elected by only black voters, he drew people of every color, because the voters fell, for his promises of the most transparent government in history— HUH! He took off the mask after being elected, hired the most radical staff ever seen in the white house, and began to fundamentally mold America into his dream. I said his dream, not that of Patriotic America citizens.President Obama, failed to include the American citizens in his plans,apparently he misread his election as a mandate to do as he pleased. We happen to like our Republic created by our founders who were men of great vision,and “we the people” do not want it dismantled. Our Constitution, has been our guide for over two hundred years, however President Obama, has been quoted as saying that great document is outdated. He’s wrong! Sadly, Obama who promised to unite the country ,has done the exact opposite. In his visits to other countries , he felt it necessary to apologize, for what he perceives to be America’s faults. What does America have to apologize for Mr. President? Is an apology, for the Civil War, that split our nation in the fight to free black people ,from the bonds of slavery. Perhaps, Mr Obama,is ashamed of the US men and women, who fought in two world wars, Korea and Nam aiding other nations, in their fight against an insidious enemy? There is no excuse for a US President, to forget the ultimate sacrifice those warriors paid,and to embark on an apology trip to some nations who would love to see us fail.

          • American Citizen

            Obama was elected by the blacks and young, wet behind the ears, people. Obama looked at the cameras, read from his teleprompter. and flat out lied for votes. They thought they were part of a “historic event.” As soon as Obama got into office, he began to show his true colors and they’re not black nor white, they’re red, communist red. So to call him a Red, is that racist or stating a fact?

        • Star827

          I want to know WHY ON CREATOR’S GREEN EARTH people who DO NOT AGREE WITH OBAMA AND HIS ADMINISTRATION’S POLICIES are suddenly RACIST BIGGOTS??!!!!??? WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE???!!!! Just because I or anyone do not agree with someone’s political position/policies DOES NOT again for the slow learners now…DOES NOT make me or them a RACIST BIGGOT!! Playing the race card makes YOU no better than someone who IS a racist biggot,and smacks of REVERSE RACISM on YOUR part!! STOP with the DAMN RACE CARD already!!
          I’d also like to know WHY people think Bush is a war criminal??!!Did he commit an act of war against his own country??NO.Did he initiate the attacks on this country??NO.Did he initiate the powers given to him by the constitution to declare war on someone who DID perpetrate an act of war on this country??YES-and it was VOTED upon and APPROVED by CONGRESS.ANY reasons above and beyond that for the war in the middle east are simply that – reasons above and beyond what was used to actually declare war.Oh – and that vote??It was a “yes” from those who turned-coat and now condemn it – example – HILLARY CLINTON,JOHN KERRY (imagine that – a turn-coat a second time)…check the records yourself.Those reasons above and beyond are also up to being held as speculation for fodder.Meaning…anyone can argue his or her version of the truth – for truth is a subjective form of perspective.It is FACTS – PROVEN BY EVIDENCE – hard core FACTS that matter.BILL CLINTON had the FACTS – BILL CLINTON denied us the chance to finish what we started.Our military BUSTED THEIR BUTTS to STOMP A MUD HOLE in the collective behind of Sadaam Hussein over there and he REFUSED to give the order to finish it.Bush “Sr.” was TOLD BY THE U.N. he could NOT go after Hussein.HE had the intel.HE knew.He passed that info on to BILL CLINTON.As did the CIA,the FBI,and other intelligence committees.There WERE WMD’s over there.There was a video of either an Army or Marine commander who uncovered them when we first went over there the first time.That video has “mysteriously” disappeared.The video was there AGAIN the NEXT time we were there – CLEARLY showing the Iraqi’s moving the WMD’s into SYRIA.That video has also “mysteriously” disappeared.WE HAD THE EVIDENCE.When the attack came,we had the clinching REASON we were ABLE to declare war.Of course we later found only pieces and parts of what WOULD HAVE BECOME wmd’s.Do you think those people are idiots??Tell me,please,how this makes Bush 47 a war criminal.Really…I’d like to know.I may not have agreed with all of the man’s decisions,but he was a decent president.And yes,the debt doubled under him.You can’t fund a military that’s in a war without doing that!For crying out loud – it took that man 8 YEARS to do it!Obama has TRIPLED the debt in 1 – ONE – year!!!!! And you people have the AUDACITY to say BUSH was the WORST president???!!Are ANY of you old enough to remember JIMMY CARTER??!!Did you SEE what HE did to the debt by having an inflation rate of 30%??The HIGHEST it EVER had been in this country??!! Oh but we don’t need to think about that,right? We don’t need to go back to the progressive movement that started in this country in the 1830′s-ish steam-rolling down the tracks with Woodrow Wilson and Teddy Roosevelt and now Obama.Oh NO….pointing out things like THAT means I MUST be a RACIST BIGGOT…excuse me while I go try to rinse the bile from my mouth…

          • Sunshine

            Please note, that those DEMS who would call the rest of us “RACIST BIGOTS” would do well to check the history behind the Civil Rights Act. They would find that it was the REPUBLICANS who pushed the ACT through; the DEMS voted NO to civil rights!

        • Vincent

          You are the racial bigot because you resort to calling everyone racist if they do not agree with the current socialist administration. Democrats use race to advance their agenda all the while accusing the republicans of being racist. The poor minorities don’t even realize that all the democrats want is for them to be on foodstamps and welfare they don’t really want them to succeed. Repbulicans have done more for minorities then the democrats have but the reason no one realizes this is because the democrats also have the lame stream media on thier side. The truth will get out and that is why the democrats don’t want to enforce our illegal immigration laws.

        • toni

          Decieving the American people thats all BHO has done mislead with a pervertion of the meaning of words

        • http://aol wayne a

          abraham,you got a bad,bad case of diarrhea of the mouth!theres not one word of truth to what you said!what,just because you said so?lets see the proof?your opinion sure in the hell doen’t mean much!

        • Chaos Factor

          Toni… Have you looked at the small business tax credits offered?…and the bill is for people that can’t afford care…especially small business owners…google” tax credits for small business” healthcare”….. You might be suprised at your benifits

        • airangel

          OMG! you people on here that bow to Obama are so ignorant it’s pathetic, you are so blinded by what you’re told or the propaganda in your community that you don’t even seek out the truth…reminds me of the story “The Emperors New Clothes”…I’ve seen many posters ask you direct questions to substantiate your claims and you avoid them because your only fight is Bush this and that and Iraq this and that which only proves your ignorance of who was in Congress during Bush – go back to the Library and learn your history and how a democracy works..the race card is old because it’s simply a lie!

          • Sunshine

            To add to that, one might put forth the fact that the DEMS had control of Congress during the last year or two of the Bush administration!

        • American Citizen

          What in blue blazes did Obama do to deserve the Nobel prize? That prize means nothing any more. Just look at who they have given it to the last few years.

        • Bud

          Abraham,
          Take a chill pill.
          Anyone who has any comprehension at all of current conditions in the U.S. knows that the cry of “RACIST” is the last resort of liberals who have no case on the merits of an argument.
          Also, “progressive” was created as a more acceptable word to disguise communist party front groups.

        • Evil_Fluffy

          Why is it that whenever Obama is being discussed, the people who cannot handle the truth (a/k/a Obama Lovers) always bring up Bush? No one here mentioned Bush while discussing the terrible things Obama is doing to this country. Please note the present tense. In case you (and others like you) were unaware, Bush is no longer President. He’s gone. Obama and Bush have nothing to do with each other. Just because you cannot handle the facts on Obama, do not try to blur them by bringing up Bush. That is a ridiculous and inane comparison. All it does is solidify how clueless you truly are.

          Being against a President does not make one a racial bigot. How stupid are you? I was againt Bush, as well. So in your small, uneducated mind, if you’re against a white President it’s okay, but if you’re against a black President you are a racial bigot? I do not think so! We’re against him due to his policies and what he stands for – nothing to do with color. The true racial bigots are those who think it does and who cannot handle facts!

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        He is a thug, because he went behind closed doors, illegally forced this health care down our throats that 65 percent of Americans didnt want. And I will tell you, the 35 percent that think they want it, if they educated themselves as to what it entails, that at least 25 percent of them would change their minds. This so called “free” health care isnt free pal. Look into it. It is free for Joe Crack Head on the corner, because he doesnt have a job. But for Jane Doe who is single mother with a job and 2 kids, and didnt have health care because she couldnt afford it, will now be forced to buy it at a higher rate than before, and if she doesnt, she will receive a fine of around 1500.00 for it. You think when this happens, her eyes wont open as to what these guys have done. And they present to you like the insurance companies are the bad guys, yet these same democrats have set in place their buddies insurance companies, who will reap billions of dollars from this, and will be allowed to set any kind of levels of payments and coverage they want. You better get yourself some schooling if you think this health care is a good thing, because it is one of the worst things to ever be slapped upon the American people ever, especially when it is being forced on us against our will. Ive always had insurance, because I work for a living you see. Only now, Ive allready been told my premiums are going up, and my coverage is going to be less, because of this democrat ram-rod health care system. You are absolutely nuts if you want the government to run this. Have you not learned from history yet? They run social security, medi-care, medi-caid, the public schools, the U.S. Post Office, and all these things are bankrupt, broken, and out of money. Now you give them the best health care system in the world to run into the ground. Unbelievable, that people like you think this is a good thing. You will find out.

        • American liberal

          Bebe… And I’m sure you called Dick Cheney a thug for his secret energy meetings… Right……or the meeting Bush had over Iraq…. You know , his meetings with Curveball… The drunken Iraqi Bush used for intelligence ?

          • del

            Please tell us American Liberal what YOU know of the secret meetings and Bush’s intelligent sources.

        • Star827

          I agree with those who are saying this “healthcare” isn’t free.But I,for one,WILL NOT be forced into “buying” anything.It is unconstitutional,and I WILL NOT DO IT.And for anyone who wants to know,oh yes,I DO have to worry about it.I AM that single mom who’s unemployed,can’t get a job,ISN’T on welfare,and DOES NOT have health insurance.I WILL NOT let someone TELL ME what is best for me and my children.I WILL NOT be FORCED into something I DO NOT WANT.TAKE YOUR “GIVEN” HEALTHCARE AND PUT IT WHERE THE SUN DON’T SHINE!!!! I WILL make a way for what healthcare we need to be PAID FOR BY ME.I WILL work as I can,when I can.I WILL NOT depend on someone else’s tax money for MY INCOME.Have I been on welfare?TEMPORARILY,yes.Because my children’s health depended on it.That’s what it was originally designed for – TEMPORARY – HELP.It’s a hand UP,not a hand OUT.

          • toni

            Fine sweety live in your fantasy

          • airangel

            Good for you Star for showing enough pride and self respect to not stay on Welfare like some other parasites that milk it for all its worth. It was not designed to be a lifeline or a way of life but a helping hand in hard times until citizens could get back on their feet and it was never meant for illegals!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            toni,
            Why is she living in a fantasy? Because she doesn’t agree with YOUR fantasy?? Get a grip girl! She is what this country was meant to stand for. take a hand up if you need it,but never depend on others to get your food. Do it by your own sweat and labor!!

        • http://sbcglobal.net GRANDPA47

          Beberoni I agree with you 200% on what you posted.I just want give you my opinion on Social Security.When SS first came about it was ment as a retirement fund for people who couldn’t afford to take money out of thier check’s every to save for money down the road (their retirement)and also put extra money into the accounts of those who could to save for their retirement.Then along can the politicians and seen all that money(and there was alot)in the SS fund and said to themselves why don’t we ues this money for this and that and we’ll put an I.O.U in the and pay it back later.The trouble is later never came and that is why SS is almost broke.But the politicians made sure that their pensions were not touched,that is why SS is in the shape that it is in–POLITICS and nothing else.It’s no different than you taking money out of your check(not for SS) and putting it in the bank in your savings account and the lends it out someone and when go to get it,it isn’t there.To what those Congressmen and Senators did is ROBBERY yet NO ONE IS HELD ACCOUNTABLE for taking my money that I payed into SS and not giving it back to me.Just my thoughts on this Thanks for listing.

          • American Citizen

            They need to get every working American to pay into the SS system since it’s not voluntary for anybody but government workers. The Federal Government is the biggest employer, yet those workers have their own pension plan and do not pay into SS. We have to pay into it our whole working lives. SS will only allow to to exist, not completely pay for your retirement. So you need a supplemental income. That’s why you see senior citizens as Wal-Mart greeters, taking in laundry, renting out a spare room, etc. The young liberal, progressives have a rude awakening coming. They want to take this country backwards. That’s called “regressing” not progressing.

      • Abraham, Springfield, PA

        I agree with you. Those who STILL and WILL most certainly hate Obama are the RACIAL BIGOTS of America. They are the scum of civilized people. You are abslutely right. Obama has not done anything as outrageous as Bush, the “worst president America ever had”. You can imageine how chagrined all Obama haters were when an outsider, The Noble Prize Committee of Europe awarded him the world’s greatest honor. What awaits the racial bigots?—I hope to see the day when Bush is finally summoned to face charges for CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY and at the Hague for murdering more than half a million Iraqis who didn’t have anything to do with 9-11 or WMDs and be summoned in an American court for DECEIVING the American people into going into war in Iraq without justification.

        • Doug

          Yep and Obamanation the biggest RASIST there is will be hanging from the rope for treason along with his buddies Polsi, Reed, and the rest of the communist in the Shit house!

          • Tammy

            AMEN!!!

          • tim

            Hangin form a rope, Doug…..???

            Did you want to bring back “lynching”……..is that what I hear????

            To all of you out there, who have come after me for derogatory comments, why don’t you come out and condemn these as well???????

          • Sheldon

            Hey Doug… quick question. Your spelling is consistently error free, does that mean you take off your KKK hood when you type? Does the light from the cross-burning make it easier to see your monitor? I’m afraid your lynching recommendation gave you away.

          • Right Wing

            Tim you are a raw exposed nerve for anything that can be associated with slavery or racism. So much so that you are racist and ignorant. Lynching was death sentence for criminals of all types and was not “invented” for people of any color in particular. Hanging from a rope is therefore a metaphor you moron unless you want to show just how thin your skin is and throw racist remarks around. Oh and by the way…I was not implying that “thin” skin was any particular color so don’t chuck any spears at me.

        • Rev. Jimmie Lee Robins

          If America is fortunate enough to survive the Obama administration. I think those few individuals who are left out there. And, believe me they are in the minority. And, this minority is growing smaller everyday. Will realize their folly, as the so called Democrat’s wake to the realization that they made a drastic mistake in electing this indivdual, regardless of raceial background. What gets my dander up is that these indivuals blindly bannded together to elect an indivdual who is not qualified to hold the office. Not saying that Bush was the best or worest President, but he is no way as damaging to our country as is Obama. It is time to impeach him before he can totally distroy America. If you, those who support him, do not recognize this you are blind. The stund he pulled with the President of Mexico. Is almost as damaging as the stunt he pulled in bowing to the King of an Arab country.

          • tim

            Sheldon…….be careful, because they will call YOU the racist, for pointing out their racist remarks……………

            For some reason, they just don’t see it…………

        • tim

          You speak the Truth, abraham………Kudos!!!

          • airangel

            Tim you are a hypocrite…you applaud Abraham, yet he calls peoeple scum…so much for your revered name calling…it’s OK if they’re on your side and wrong if they disagree with you – HYPOCRITE!

        • JohntheMick

          Hey Ms. 22 year old, my great grandmother (whom I bounced on her knee) was a slave. Is that all liberals can do is name calling ? You must be young because Jimmy Carter was actually a bigger tird than Barry. Neither one of them could lead dishwater down a drain. If I think you are stupid I don’t even think about your lineage. I dislike his policies and his disrespect of our great nation. That makes him bad.

          • toni

            Great!

        • Da Norseman

          Definition of a bigot and a racist: anyone white who supports political correctness.

        • American Citizen

          Abraham, you and the rest of the liberals on here are the only ones playing the race card. If you want to see a racist, look in the mirror.

        • http://donaldson16@verizon.net sixgun

          Your a typical liberal Obama lover who thinks that anyone who dissagrees with obama and speaks out against him must be a racist or bigot WRONG!!!Like so many you have been brain washed and are blinded as to what is going on.Obamas skin color DOES NOT MATTER its his politics.WAKE UP!!!

      • Rachel

        Hussein Obama not a thug? just tell me who he associates with and who he assigned as thugs as our czars? is that not enough? Most are communists and want to ruin this great nation.

        • tim

          Rachel…….like the corporate Oil “thugs”, the Bush Family held hands with for all of those years??????

          Or Cheney??…..the biggest “thug” of them all…….(at least, when he’s not having one of his many heart attacks)

          • Vincent

            No oil rig exploded while Bush and Cheney were in charge why did this happen two and half weeks after Obama said he wanted to research opening some areas to offshore drilling? Why have we been attacked four times since Obama has been in office? Why has the jobless rate risen to 10% while the Democrats are running the show? Their goal is to destroy our country they don’t care about you or any of us. Why is Obama meeting with terrorists? Are you ready to convert to Islam because that is what will happen if we continue with this administration.

          • tim

            But vincent…….the Big one……..9/11…..occured on “W”‘s watch………..no denying THAT

          • http://aol wayne a

            tim,this is a fact,it was on fox news and aol and yahoo news also.george bush jr. had absolutely no investments in the oil industry what so ever!there were two congressman that had the most invested in the oil industry,ted kennedy and john kerry!

          • Bud

            Tim,
            Get a grip!
            At least the oil industry is providing a commodity which we must have.
            The Obama thugocracy is doing its best to make those essential commodities so expensive those of us on limited incomes will not be able to afford them.

          • Areucrazi

            This is in response to tim

            tim says:
            May 21, 2010 at 12:31 pm

            But vincent…….the Big one……..9/11…..occured on “W”’s watch………..no denying THAT

            George W Bush was sworn in as President of the US, January 20, 2001

            Terrorist Attack hit: September 11, 2001

            He had only been in office a little over 8 months!

            Are you saying 9/11 was all of his doing?

            It was the terrorist who planned for years and years to destroy the US. I guess no one thought about four ordinary planes going into buildings fully loaded with jet fuel.

            Think about all the Presidents before him.

            President George W. Bush declared war on Iraq on the 20th of March 2003. At least he had the guts to do something about it.

            War is never pleasant! Our service Men and Women deserve your respect. They have given their time and lives so that you can live in a free country.

            Why do you think Iraq hates the United States so much? Why do think so many flee to the US to get away from their own countries? It is call FREEDOM!!!!!

            How many times do you think we would have been hit by terrorist if he didn’t do anything about this?

            You can’t tell me that a county can’t get rid of WMD in those few years before we even went into Iraq…

            Protecting our country is the job of the President. Oh I forgot Obama rather kneel down on a Muslim rug on the White House steps. I guess it took all he had in his body to put his hand on the Holy Bible.

            You need to be looking on the outside in, instead of the inside out.

            You always reap what you sow…

      • Rev. Jimmie Lee Robins

        It astounds me that there are still a few individuals out there in never-never land that still are disallousined my Obama’s left wing agenda. Obamacare is one of the most desasterous bill’s ever passed in the history of America. Not to mention the other self serving programs that he has rammed down the throats of Americans without benefit of due process. The issue of illegal aliens is the best example. The majority of American paople do not support amnesty for illegal aliens. They do support building a fence along the border and keeping illegal aliens out. A majority of Americans support Arizona’s law which does nothing other than support and identify federal law.

        • Diamond Dave

          I am amazed at the selective blindness and stupidity of the lower life forms on this site. “Amnesty for illegal aliens” – that was G. W. Bush policy – he campaigned on. It was not a lefty, Liberal, Obamanation, commie, Marxist – whatever you inbred, illiterate clowns want to call it – plot. It was a Bush policy embraced by the left. I guess he wanted to make sure his “wetback” family tree had a place in America – so let’s slag G.W. And as for the 14th amendment – if the 14th amendment didn’t exist you would all be bound by the principle of “jus sanguinis” – Citizenship by Original Blood and neither you, nor your children or anyone else could become President of the United States – well except some Indian since they were the only ones really born here to original citizens. The 14th Amendment was created to address that archaic and impossible concept of immigration and legal status not to address the North/South divide.
          Let’s keep going to Obama not being born in Hawaii – all the records are there. Two government-placed Mandatory Notices of Birth were in local newspapers – this is just more Neanderthal garbage and that Army officer who is refusing duty because of it is just a [offensive word removed] and should be shot for dereliction of duty.

          • Brandon Darby

            Seriously, bush bashing after a year and a half of Obama? That’s original…

          • Diamond Dave

            Not Bush bashing. Just stating the simple fact that GW Bush introduced the Illegal Alien Amnesty, not Obama and not the liberal left. C’mon get with the program

          • toni

            LOL ROFL

          • airangel

            Idiot…the first Amnesty was granted during Reagan to 1.8 million illegals and NOTHING has been done in 24 years on any Presidents watch so I could care less about Obama and Bush but I do care about this problem getting resolved in the here and NOW! So stop with the best and worst of past Presidents and come up with something useful and valid for uniting this country and returning it to a prosperous, freedom loving nation rather than this impoverished, inner city slum nation that it is becoming

          • http://?? Joe H.

            cubiczirconia Dave,
            Name two liberals that haven’t supported amnesty! And I don’t mean your next of kin. I mean politicians. Gee, do you think you can find it? Or do you have to get in touch with Alinski pro headquarters first???

        • American liberal

          Wayne…. Bush jr owned a Texas oil company…. Ran it bankrupt… If fact he failed at everything he ever did…. Google… You better stop watching Fox news…

          • del

            Bush sold his oil company to william dewitt and mercer reynolds and made out with a 200% in gain 1983. maybe you should google it

          • Bud

            Perhaps you should START watching Fox news.

          • Jana

            No, Am. Lib wants to watch the news like CBS who is owned by GE who is a big supporter of Obama, as well as has invested heavily in the global warming propaganda. That why they won’t report any real news or do any investigative journaling.
            Thats sure a real winner.

      • http://none bogusbob

        I guess American Liberal wanted something for nothing, ie free health care for the lazy and a big bill for those of us that work for a living. Obviously American Liberal and all the other idiots that voted for this jihadist in the whitehouse, are to ignorant to understand that his socialist healthcare won’t even affect him and others waiting in the bread line for someone to pay for his lifestyle. Obama wants to destroy this country, because he hates it. Illegal immigration has damaged this country beyond repair, look what its done to the whitehouse. When the liberals wake up, if they ever do, they will find out that they will be paying for this thugs policies for the rest of their lives.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Yeah, and just think, if they ever do wake up, somehow they will find a way to blame it on Bush. Thats what they do.

      • http://Yahoo Sandy Archer

        At least Bush is loyal to this Country!! Obama has socilist agenda, his healthcare bill will put small businesses either out of business or they will have to cut jobs because they cannot afford to pay for employee healthcare. There are alot of people who opt not to PAY for their own insurance because they would rather party, buy a house or car they cannot afford instead of budgeting for responsible things that are needed for their families. Anyway, back to Obama..he wants nothing better than to bankrupt the USA and he’s doing a really great job so far.

      • http://conservativecameron.blogspot.com/ Cameronisright

        I will answer part of that question for you am lib… Obama is a thug because based upon the area and nature of his formative radical political years as a “community organizer” in Chi Towns S side thats what he was. Community Organizers is oltically correct way to say …= Thugs!
        hE SHOWED THOSE “THUG” stripes early and often because when he hits the wall with one of his hair brained schemes and BIG government programs no one with a brain wants and we can’t pay for what does he do?? He strong arms congressmen and Senators and bullies them …threatens them and ultimately if they don’t flop after all of that he bribes them with our money… Thats what mobsters and thugs do …that is not diplomacy it’s called diplomacy with a gun at your head! ….He is also a pathological liar …I know all politicians lie but he is their king! I could list 200 huge lies right now if you want them …lying is part of how he cons people to do what he wants … hinose is growing like pinnochios]

        http://www.scribd.com/doc/26191447/Obama-s-LIES-158-and-Still-Growing-Like-Pinocchio-s-nose

      • FadacMan

        American liberal;
        You think Obama’s healthcare is a gift wait until the IRS starts collecting your tax refund to pay for it or through you in jail starting 2014 because you don’t have any health insurance then just how much of “not a thug” is your President(used loosely)Obama.

      • kenecarroll

        You know…for someone that hasn’t even read this health care bill, youu seem to be really informed on commrade Obama-Osama…the only thing different in the names is the bs…wake up!

      • THOMAS STEWART

        American Liberal Stop Drinking Obamacare New Kool-Aid With Bad Side Effects Of Lying And Believing It, Yikees. Item Number 2 Who Pays For This Pink Elelephant Obamacare? Yikees Not You Buckwheat.

      • JeffH

        ALERT-ALERT…In one fell swoop, all of you have taken the bait and let AMERICAN LIBERAL change the whole direction of Chip Woods commentary….get a clue that this guy is only here to do just that!

        AMRICAN LIBERAL is a leftist liberal hack that makes his living stirring the conservative pot and adding his liberal spices to change the flavor of the stew.

        Oh well, do as you please.

        • kate8

          Hi JeffH – I was just thinking the same thing. Where’s the comments about the anchor babies?

          Notice how the ACORN posters are always there as soon as this thread hits their inbox? Poised and ready to pounce. And always with the same old garbage.

          Kind of gets wearysome, doesn’t it?

          • tim

            Kate*…there is no easy answer on these Babies………

            But I Do know, they are human beings as much as the right thinks otherwise………….

            I tell you what…….Why don’t we deport ALL illegals NOW………as long as you STOP giving visas to students from India & Saudi Arabia, who, in case you haven’t noticed, are the ones who flew those Planes into our Buildings………….on 9/11……….

            America has ALWAYS been hypocritical, when it comes to dealing with other Countries, and what we allow and don’t allow……………

            We igored THOSE dangers………so why not ignore a few poor people who are desprate and want to come here…………….

            There has been not ONE instance or proof, that Islamic Terrorists ahve come through Mexico………..but they come through Canada, and I NEVER……..NEVER here anyone complain about their loose borders………..

            We’ve always had a double-standard when it comes to foreign Policy………..ALWAYS…………

          • http://www.freedomspitchfork.blogspot.com Freedom’s Voice

            Good point Kate8 about the double standard. If we insist on applying it we get what we deserve.

          • Jana

            these babies have parents, send them home with their parents.

        • http://www.freedomspitchfork.blogspot.com Freedom’s Voice

          Thanks JeffH I was just thinking the same about Am lib and Abraham as well. Liberal plants just stirring the pot to change the whole direction of the debate. Back to the column please and the original debate! It is an excellent article!

          • JeffH

            Kate8, Freedom’s Choice…I’m know you’re both aware as many others should be that these liberal hacks are infecting conservative website throughout the internet. Don’t play with them and they eventually go away…I posted a very good source of information regarding the 14th Amendment further down and a good read…check out the link and you’ll see that Chip Wodds has spoken with the facts and not the “right” bias he is accused of.

            Pound these hacks with the facts, not the emotions, and they’ll scurry away after they make a few vial comments.

        • toni

          Yes sweety HOHUM

      • PragmaticSort

        No, Obama is not a thug- he’s a willing puppet for the progressive social democrats in our congress and senate. The healthcare bill as written is a joke. It is soooooooooo stuffed with all the pork that the democratic legislators could think of. Good theory, lousy execution.

      • Brandon Darby

        President Obama is a thug. Where in the constitution does healthcare get guarenteed to you or anyone else? It’s SOCIAL ENGINEERING, which by definition is the work of a marxist philosophy. Besides, the government isn’t supposed to arbitrarily “give” us anything. Social security never should have been created, and the same should be said of Medicare and Medicaid. My generation (I’m 25 years of age) is going to be paying the debts of my parents and grandparents generation our entire lives. As for the healthcare insurance reform act…it’s doubly thugish in that it is the first piece of law that requires you to pay for something (And no, you don’t have to pay for car insurance, because having a car is a luxury, not a right); and it’s something that the majority of America DIDN’T want. When the people of this country loudly oppose something and it gets passed anyways, that’s Obama and Congress acting like a bunch of thugs.

        And that’s without even touching Cap and Trade, a VAT tax, severe deficit spending leading to a huge national debt; which by default leads to higher taxes and higher inflation. Perhaps “thug” isn’t the correct term, maybe “Socialist” or “Communist” or “Radical” would be more appropriate?

        • JohntheMick

          Darby,
          I’m a big fan of facts. There is a little known constitutional author named Benjamin Rush. He was a doctor who in his addresses to congress said if health care didn’t get penciled in, it would unravel eventually. Who was the dork in this string that said do we rewrite the constitution (14th amendment) to confront border issues ? Did we do that for commi-care ? Oh, BTW, I live in Az where we didn’t get the sweethart $$$ for sovreignty deal. If you are stupid and/or lazy, communism is for you. Smoochie.

        • Don

          “IF” he’s a citizen, then traitor works. IF NOT then all who put him in are traitors.

      • George Halepis

        Nowhere in the Constitution is the initiation of force authorized. Since all government “programs” require coercion [try not paying your taxes], this makes all such programs criminal enterprises and all those individuals who perpetrate these programs criminals or “thugs”. The government can’t give anyone anything that it hasn’t first expropriated. As Federic Bastiat has said, “The state is that fiction by which everyone attempts to live at the expense of everyone else”.

      • John N.

        Why is obama a ‘thug’? “Even before he was sworn in he was interviewed by the FBI about the Ill. Gov. scheme to sell his seat to the highest bidder. This has been mostly hidden from the public. His C of Staff, Emanuel and slumlord Jarrett, both from Chicago, are tangled in this scandal.
        obama has made the claim that the Piivacy Act does not apply to the W. H. He believes the White house can violate the privacy rights of American citizens without any legal consquences or accountability.
        obamas’ ‘transparency” is now a well known ‘joke’!
        He has installed a record number of “czars” to power and they answer to no one but himself. As George Will wrote “The administratiion’s central activity – the political allocation of wealth and oportunity – is not merly suseptiptle to corruption, it is corruption.”
        Govt. run healthcare and car companys, White House coercion, uninvestigated ACORN corruption, debasing his office to help Chicago cronies,attacts on conservative media and the private sector, unprecedented and dangerous new rights for terrorists, perks for campaign donors.”
        We could mention the many ‘thugs’ he has sourrounded himself with.
        C. Rangle who ‘forgot’ to pay taxes on $75,000.00. and ‘forgot’ another $1 mill. in assets. This person (?)writes the tax policy.
        Speaking of Tax Cheats! The famous Tiny Tim admitted he failed to pay $34,000 and now runs the IRS.
        B. Frank is who claimed Fanny and Freddy were doing great and now we know that group was responsible for bringing on the housing bubble.
        These are just a few of the crooks obama has surrounded himself with.
        “if it walks like a duck and looks like a dusk, it probably is…”
        So do I think obama is a ‘thug’????
        What do you think???

        • toni

          C Rangal and TGeitner are tied to obs past as well and why does his SSN not sho up until he started working with Acorn? and that Columbia universty giv him a dagree when he was in pakistan using a foreign passport. Because Us did not authorize Americans to travel to that country at that time . Its just so many ?s Why are his documents sealed don’t understand the purpose of this unless their is something to hide

      • KATHLEEN

        BO continues to do what HE wants instead of the American people. He continues to LIE about everything. The stimulus bill (which he didn’t read) . . . the healthcare bill (which he didn’t read), the deficit to name a few. He continually apologizes for the U.S.A. Why the hell does he want to be OUR president? Maybe he should live at the U.N. He thinks he’s the president of the WORLD. I cannot WAIT to vote the piece of crap outta office. He is a disgrace to the White House and our country.

      • http://aol wayne a

        lets see amer. liberal,since obama has been in,we have the highest unemployment rate in history,the highest forecloser rate in history,highest business failures in history,highest deficit in history which will take 20 yrs. to pay down.a pres. that signed a healthcare bill that 72% of the americans was against.now obama comes out against Arz’s. new law,even going as far as apologizing to the pres. of mexico for it,even though polls show 72-82% of the americans support it.obama is wanting to give amnesty to these illegal criminals that 78% of the americans are against.obama promised openess and transparency,yet they held their vote on the healthcare bill behind closed doors at night,republicians and even the media was not allowed!the reason was because of all the promises,deals and pork spending that was added to get the votes.obama is trying to turn us into a socialist nation, but will destroy us in the process.he makes pres. carter look like an einstein.last week,polls showed 44% support obama,at least theres 56% of the Americans with some sense!

      • Jamie

        Here’s three reasons, He’s anti christ, He’s anti American, And his policies favor Islamic Terrorist

        • Mick for thought

          More rational thought?

      • Delores Smith

        AMERICAN LIBERAL,
        Buy a copy of The Manchurian President and it will answer all your questions about Obama. Remember this, Obama has surrounded himself with extreme radicals who are not working in the best interest of the American people. Obama surrounds himself with mirror images of himself. Read the book. I’ve verified the facts.
        Delores Smith
        Delores109@cox.net

      • Vern

        To American Liberal: What part of Bush’s administration needed changing?
        Things were going pretty good until the Dems took control in 2006. Dear
        old Barney Frank and Dodd, and the Dems got us in this housing mess. Bush
        in 2006 tried to tell congress that things were looking bad with the housing
        market, but Frank, and Dodd said “Oh No” everything was fine. And things
        were not fine, the house of cards were starting to tumble, and boy did they
        tumble.
        Obama’s HC Bill is just a small part of his being a thug, check out the members of his Cabinet, his Czars, his lack of looking out for America’s safety, his love of the Unions, and his dislike of the middle class. These are just a few points of why he is a thug. He will ruin this country if people don’t wake up, and guit believing his BS.

      • Bill

        AmLib
        It’s time that you and all your pseudo-intellectual cronies quit blaming Bush for the ills of this country. It is citizens like you who voted for the “Messiah” that are the biggest cause of our nations current dilemma. Bush was a terrible president. Obama is abyssmal; without a clue as to how to govern and driven solely by “Chicago politics.” He is by far the most dangerous man to ever occupy the White House, as he lacks integrity, will look you straight in the eye and lie, and stick his head in the sand on any issue that he can’t figure a political solution to. That head only comes out of the sand when hes figured a way to circumvent the Constitution or gain favor with his dwindling number of minions and worshippers. He is on his way out and good riddance to the worst president ever.

      • airangel

        Within the past few years, leprosy, tuberculosis, hepatitis, Chagas disease and even malaria have jumped over our borders from Mexico on the backs of an average 10,000 illegal aliens daily, seven days a week and 365 days a year. Our borders are no safer today than before 9/11, and in fact, more dangerous.

        The national media-worthy traumas occurred two years ago at Chi-Chi Restaurants in Monaco, Pennsylvania with hepatitis killing patrons who ate there. Later, we read where police, teachers and students tested positive for tuberculosis all around the country. All of it related to illegal aliens crossing into the US without health screening.

        Last year, another Third World disease rose its ugly head in Oregon. It may have spread to other states across our nation. It won’t get the play of the deadly attacks of hepatitis or tuberculosis, however, for American children exposed to this disease, it’s a personal nightmare for parents.

        Worse, it may take years to manifest itself in the child. By that time, it may be too late. The infection is ‘neurocysticercosis’, which is caused by the parasite Taenia solium. It’s a tapeworm identified as the cause of this disease in the Southwestern United States.

        It is especially rampant in the growing ‘colonias’ (new neighborhoods) stretching from Brownsville, Texas along the Mexican border all the way to San Diego, California. The poorest illegal alien migrants set up shantytowns on the U.S. side of the border. They feature no sanitation of any kind. No toilets. No showers. No clean water. Disease proliferates unchecked.

        WE HAVE TO SECURE THE BORDER and CLEAN UP THE MESS. No wonder the hospitals are over taxed and shutting down…they simply can’t keep up and our kids are exposed..Calderon needs to take care of his own citizens and educate them on clean living and basic hygiene. We have a HUGE problem. Secure our borders and push back on Calderon.

        • Jana

          airangel,
          This is some very good information to know. Thanks for sharing this. We must realize that the people from the third world countries don’t have the clean water that we do, and don’t have the hygiene practices that we do.This is one of the reasons that they eat the really hot peppers and the really spicy foods, because it kills parasites and helps control a lot of the diseases. Plus, over here we are not used to all of the germs that they get into all of the time. They don’t know to wash their hands after going to the bathroom, they don’t wash their hands when they cough or sneeze or wipe away their runny noses with their hands. They haven’t been taught.
          Then, we invite these same people to come over and cook for us, and clean for us? WOW. No wonder there is an outbreak of new to us diseases. They aren’t doing this on purpose, they just don’t realize or know how to stop it. They don’t even realize they are carrying these things with them.
          There was more than one reason the government started pushing the hand sanitizers.

          • kate8

            This is a serious problem. Here in the US, we pretty much eliminated most of the infectious diseases because of sanitation and hygiene, but that is changing with the influx of third-worlders. It puts us all at risk, especially our children in schools.

            A close friend was shocked to discover that he had contracted TB. With all the illegals working in restaurants and such, these things are spreading. We had an outbreak of TB in a town near where I live, where many illegals have settled.

            This is just one more way our way of life is threatened by this problem. WE ARE NOT REQUIRED TO BE SUICIDAL AS A NATION. We need a government that will address this issue and put Americans first.

      • http://aol.com John Pickett

        I’ll do you a lot better. Go back to Lincoln to Obama and don’t call yourself American with your progressive rhetoric bullshit. If your a liberal say so don’t bring my country into your cause. I bet you don’t even know what Lincoln did or how about FDR,Woodrow Wilson, Teddy Roosevelt, Theirs your assignment now LIBERAL go to it then you can comment. Truth is all that’s needed can you do it???? Reagan tried but, even he didn’t do all he said he would do!! Myself I don’t think you will try, Liberals just shoot off at the mouth like diahrea.

    • D Lynch

      Good article on the 14th amendment and I remember discussing this with my American History teacher and we in the class agreed as the article was written. Oh yes; I guess Obama would allow the Terrorist babies to be natural born citizens… that’s like inviting a natural borne virus into your body! JUST WAITIN’FOR THE SHOT HEARD ‘ROUND THE WORLD!!

      • Jana

        D Lynch,

        Just like Chip wrote in his article,
        “Let me share some important history with you. The 14th Amendment was proposed by Congress at the end of the Civil War. Its purpose was to make sure that newly enfranchised blacks were not denied the rights of citizenship when they returned to their homes in states that comprised the former Confederacy.”

        This law was written to insure that any of the blacks would not be denied citizenship.

        Again another very important point “Sadly, the 14th Amendment is worded so vaguely that an activist court—spurred on by politically motivated attorneys—can interpret it almost any way it chooses.”

        It is time to amend this now as this is being abused greatly. They found a loophole and this loophole needs to be closed.

        • American Citizen

          I agree, if the parents are not citizens of this country, neither are their babies. That loophole needs to be closed.

        • Mickey

          Well, I was under the impression that the 14th was for slaves. That would be a point in time when all in the country were citizens. We had no illegals.

          I also thought the 14th gave citizenship to the “mother” of the unborn child, not automatic US citizenship.

          One thing I haven’t seen addressed, since these migrants insist they want better pay, what is going to stop the next wave of crossings from taking away their jobs with cheaper labor again? Will they then insist on “migration reform”?

    • tim

      Mike……that’s……Hopey!!…changey!!!!

    • JohntheMick

      You want thugocracy ? The guy running GM (Whiteacker) did a crooked ATT deal that pu $16M in Rahm’s pocket.Then got the Gov Motors job. Does the study of ballet make Rahm qualified for COS ? Private army (prelim to marshall law or marshall plan?) walking the streets of Chi-town. September 8th when Hitler’s youth took on a different face. Extension of the unpatriot act. Cert of live bith and birth cert are two different documents. Social security number for a 31 year old man from Connecticut on record (starts with 046) kissing the worlds ass while treating vets and cops on our soil like dirt. Socialism, which tells you, my blind friend, that you are too stupid to make your own decisions. Maybe you’re ok with that one. The current jobs and economic legislation on the floor. Oh, I’m sorry, there are no economic plans. You can’t get your socialism until capitalism dies. Maybe the economy is per Michelle’s design for that childhood obesity problem. Starve ‘em thin. I could write a book on this. Look to Greece to see how well this works as well as the history in Argentina. Big al Gore fan are ya ? Tee hee.

      • toni

        LOL I couldn’t have said it better

    • Mick for thought

      Mike we are trying to have a conversation with some meat on it not just toss out names without any evidence as foundation. What makes you think imigration was being taken care of by the last administration?

      • toni

        Wasn’t the demacratic congress the one who voted down imagration reform when Bush was in TEeHEe

    • http://n/a PHIL

      Your anger and ignorance is not good for you.You sound like a guy who can improve if supplied with genuine information.Obama is not a thug but a President OK.Please get it right!

    • KELLI2L

      Yes, this Anchor Baby legislation is an equal opportunity abomination, it does not discriminate – any race is eligible
      to “exploit America” (they only need to birth their baby here)
      simply put, that allows for the whole family to follow…..

  • Margot H.

    I’ve often wondered what was the source of this crazy ‘law’ that allows the children of illegal aliens to be citizens when and if they are born here. It seems to me a very easy fix, just pass a law in Congress stating that no person born in this country to illegal immigrants can be afforded the rights and benefits of citizenship until the parents of that child are legal citizens, who subject themselves to the process of legally obtaining citizenship, adhering to all laws.
    There’s a ‘natural law’ concept inherent in the Fourth Amendment that could be applied similarly to the issue of anchor babies. It’s called the ‘fruit of the poisonous tree doctrine” and its use is primarily in search and seizure cases. Basically, it contends that if the search is illegal to begin with, then any fruits of that search are deemed inadmissible in court. It stands to reason that if someone breaks a territorial law to enter this country and are here illegally, then anything after that that they do is by extension illegal also. Like have a baby. If getting a license and buying a house using a fake social security number can be considered fraud perpetrated by illegals, why not the citizenship of a baby born to illegals? Name one country in the world that grants automatic citizenship to children born to people illegally there! And certainly, Congress can pass a law stating that no welfare, social security, health care, etc. – any benefit at all – can be given to any illegal or children of illegals. This is the defining issue of our time, our sovereignty.
    But the profiles in courage in Congress are only interested in one thing – their re-election. And maybe one other– how their lawn looks and how little they have to pay to the exploited workers to keep it that way.

    • American liberal

      Margot … The ” crazy law” your wondering about is the constitution and 14th amendment…. The question is… Should reform rewrite the 14th amendment…. My opinion is because I believe the constitution is a ” living document” which I’ve argued about many times on this site…that the condictions have changed in this country abd it’s no longer right to allow anchor babys…and I’ll use this artical to say… I believe it proves the constitution is a living document subject to change as our enviorment and condictions change in America…. It’s was never meant to stay like the the condictions of 1776…

      • Rjp1952

        The constitution was made less perfect with A 14. So yes it is supposed to be a living document and subject to change with conditions. The conditions are now that we can’t afford more mouths to feed, more healt care leaches, more welfare recipiants sucking the life blood out of us. We actually can’t afford the legitimat leaches. So, lets adjust it and undo Amendent 14

        • del

          I have been screaming this for a long time! Let the illegals take their illegals back home with them.

      • CJ

        Am Lib, thanks for pointing out the problem. You left-wingers “think” instead of understand. The Constitution is NOT a living document. Yes, there were provisions for adjusting it, but that DOES NOT mean changing the definition. Using the “excuse” that the founding fathers “meant” something is so lame. If they REALLY meant to, why didn’t they do it in the first place?? We’re not idiots and won’t buy that BS notion. The idea was intended for those doing it the right way to have an opportunity to stay. It is NOT acceptable to receive beneifts from illgotten gains. This has been another liberal misapplication of an otherwise good intention. If I was to rob a bank, I can not use the money to pay for legal defense to get me off the rap!!! How many more examples do you need of liberals taking a good thing and turning it against the tax payer?

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Im kind of wondering when the day will come, when the left wing liberals decide that they should rewrite the Bible, so they can make it fit into their agenda, and just throw the truth out. I would not doubt them trying this for one minute. That is what they do.

          • tim

            Beberoni……I would take ONe thing out of the Bible….

            the part that condones Slavery………….

          • Sheldon

            I’m kind of wondering when the day will come, when the religious right will decide that they should rewrite the Bible. You know, so they can get rid of all the references of their God condoning slavery, rape and the way the Bible preaches one thing and then preaches THE EXACT OPPOSITE somewhere else in the book. You know, a good editing to remove all of the contradictions and falsehoods. For a book that so many of you people think was actually written by God himself, it’s amazing just how wrong it is. You talk about throwing out the truth? YOUR God made the world but he forgot it was round? He forgot it revolved around the sun and not the other way around? You guys SHOULD rewrite the Bible, it would be far more believable.

        • del

          Awesome post!

      • Frank Oak

        Living document is no document. As Walter Williams says, will you play poker with me when I can change the rules? Calling the Constitution a living document means that whenever 5 people change their minds the Constitution changes. A well written explanation can be found by the Constitutional scholar, Publius Huldah at the following website.

        http://publiushuldah.wordpress.com/category/definitions-and-basic-concepts/

        • Sheldon

          Do you play Texas Hold ‘Em? Someone amended the rules of Poker to change the rules. Unless you’re old school and just play draw poker, your argument is flawed.

      • toni

        What the point of having laws when they can be influx. should it be a law today and not tomarrow then it can be interpreted with anywhich way you want sounds like anarchy

      • Bill

        AmLib;
        It is a living document. It’s just not a changing document. It’s purpose and words are immutable, just as viable today as they were when written, and without some slimely lawyer or judge telling me how I should be interpreting them. You see, I can read them for myself and don’t need the government to tell me what they mean.

    • Chaos Factor

      Michelle Malkin…. Anchor baby….

      • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Linda

        (words removed for offensive content)

        • D Lynch

          You have to be an illegal wet-back.Also unAmerican

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        So you think if you go on vacation to, lets say China, and your wife has a baby. You think your child will be a citizen of China? Now lets substitute any country in the world for China here. Do you think your child would be a citizen there, and you also? No, not in one country anywhere. So why in the U.S.? Because just like everything else, lawyers have prostituted the law, which ends up making wrong right. So sad.

        • http://personalliberty.com RChick

          Excellent point, and well-made argument! Why is it that the southern US border should be wide open when it is almost unheard of anywhere else, especially going the other way? Why is it that anyone born within this country’s borders should automatically be considered a citizen when that doesn’t happen virtually anywhere else in the world? You’re right, Beb. Why should they occur here?

        • American Citizen

          Exactly. It’s all those bleeding heart, do-gooders that get us into trouble. They don’t think about the unintended consequences.

      • http://naver samurai

        Sorry dude. She’s an American citizen and “Osama” is not. By the way, can you show me your papers proving you are an American?

        • Rev. Jimmie Lee Robins

          Good point. The Governor of Hawaii has stated that there is no record of Obama being born in Hawaii, nor having a birth certificate . He also stated that Hawaii with grant a birth certificate to anyone who applys for one and states they were born in American and pays the fee’s. It is interesting, that anyone else who was running for the highest office in the land would have to prove they were born her. Why do you think Arnold Swartznager[sp] has not ran for President. He was born in Austria. Obama was born in Africa, and his chosen faith is Islam. Its a matter of record.

          • JLC

            Rev. Jimmie Lee Robins — Can you document this? For the record, I, for one, do not believe that Barrack Obama is a “natural-born” citizen of the U.S. I have a copy of a newspaper article that appeared in the Sunday Standard, Nairobi, Kenya, of June 27, 2004, prior to Obama’s election to the U.S. Senate, in which is stated (gleefully, I might add) that Barrack Obama is “Kenya-born.”

          • shray77

            I think I heard somewhere that his mother said he was not born in Hawaii, but, in Africa. I would appreciate the facts here if anyone has them.

          • http://n/a PHIL

            It is interesting is how ignorant people are here of the American Law.Obama’s parents were married on Thursday February 2,1961 in Maui Hawaii. Obama was born in August 4 1961.His dad was a student in Hawaii then.How could Obama have been born in Kenya while his parents were still studying in Hawaii at the time? OK,even if we are to assume that Obama was born in Kenya,the American Citizenship Law states that Birth Abroad to one Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock acquires Citizenship at birth Under Section 301(g)INA provided the Citizen was physically in the US for the Period required by the Law applicable at the time of the Child’s birth.For between December 24 1952 and November 13,1986,a Period of Ten Years.The Mother had been physically in the US right from her birth.That exceeds the ten year period stipulation.
            Obama is not the first President with one foreign born Parent.Andrew Jackson had two Irish born parents.Thomas Jefferson’s mother was born in England.James Buchanan and Chester Arthur also had Irish Fathers.Woodrow Wilson and Herbert Hoover’s mothers were born respectively in England and Canada.
            Unless one is driven by Extremely intense Racist feelings rather than the brain, I don’t see the reason for dwelling on this subject,case closed!!

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          He is, the Kenyan.

          • American Citizen

            Shray, his grandmother is the one who has said he was born in Africa. She claims she was there at his birth. I think some shenanigans went on after his birth to try to get him to be claimed to be born in this country.

      • tim

        Good one, chaosFactor

      • Evil_Fluffy

        Michelle Malkin’s father was here legally, on an employer-sponsored visa. While I do believe at least one parent should be a citizen in order for a baby born here to have citizenship, the fact is, Michelle Malkin’s parents were not here illegally.

        At the very least, babies born to illegals should have no rights here, just as their parents should not. Babies born to legal immigrants who came here the right way (and not on a visitor visa) is a grey area.

    • NM

      Very very very good idea!!!

  • American liberal

    So do we want to change the 14th amendment as part of immigration reform?… As I read it , it does grant citizenship to any person born on our soil ….maybe the wording was a mistake … So is our constitution not the perfect document we keep telling ourselves?…it’s just a fact that if were going to have laws they should be enforced…so maybe reform should close this anchor baby loophole…….

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      This wasnt our original constitution. It was an amendment. It was people thinking they need to change things, and the screwed it up, and left it open for lawyers to come in and prostitute it. And they are darn good at that, you have to admit.

      • Smilee

        Beberoni

        The original constitution was minus the bill of rights and those and all other amendments since them have the same force in supreme law as the original and some of these amendments have actually changed the original. It’s interesting that you people only like the original which has in it the method for changing the constitution and the original makes any amendment equal in force to the original but you people pick and choose which part of the constitution you wish to accept and not accept, changes nothing in force of supreme law despite what you say or believe.

    • CJ

      Well Am Lib, which is it… “living” or “perfect”? You flip-flop so well!! You take portions of documents out of context and spew your disruptive rant. The 14th was written AFTER the Civil War and has an additional condition that they need to also be “subject to the jurisdiction thereof”. It could be better argued that illegals do not meet both criteria.

    • Joe

      Change? Par for the course, we find a liberal twisting someone’s words into something they did not say. Chip Woods article states there is substantial reason to believe that the 14th amendment was never ratified by a two-thirds majority of the House and the Senate as the Constitution requires. If this is the case, the amendment should either be removed or re-proposed to the states for ratification. With the understanding that, as written, the amendment allows an open door to citizenship for ILLEGAL invaders, via the “anchor baby”, it certainly would have a difficult time achieving a two-thirds vote of approval for ratification.

      Even if there was no question of the amendments legitimacy, it is clear that the 14th amendment was never intended to allow children of illegal invaders, born on U.S. soil, to automatically become citizens of this country. It is the exploitation and purposeful misinterpretation of the Constitution and its Amendments that liberal’s thrive on. If there are ‘changes’ to be made to the Constituition and its Amendments,they should be done so only to prevent such abuses. To you, the Constitution is nothing more than a roadblock to your progressive ways…to the conservative, the Constitution is the foundation of everything good our country has to offer!
      God Bless America!

      • toni

        I have read that the income tax was not ratified eather!

      • Smilee

        Not being properly voted on or ratified is something Chip alleges saying he cannot find proof of it but he also has no proof it was not so his allegations amount to nothing more than pure speculation or his personal opinion. I’m sure if he could prove it him and his cronies would be racing for the nearest court room to correct it. Personally I believe he made it all up.

        The same can be said of the 16th amendment which has suffered the same rumors and nobody in either case has any evidence to back up their BS

        • Sunshine

          SMILEE – Do your research! Go back and read the 16th! Ratified or not, it CHANGED NOTHING!

      • Smilee

        Joe

        Not being properly voted on or ratified is something Chip alleges saying he cannot find proof of it but he also has no proof it was not so his allegations amount to nothing more than pure speculation or his personal opinion. I’m sure if he could prove it him and his cronies would be racing for the nearest court room to correct it. Personally I believe he made it all up.

        The same can be said of the 16th amendment which has suffered the same rumors and nobody in either case has any evidence to back up their BS

    • Frank Oak

      As you read it doesn’t count. Our opinions don’t count. What matters is what the writers intended. The original intent of any legislation is what counts. The following blog is a wonderful explanation of the Constitution and here she talks about the 14th amendment.

      http://publiushuldah.wordpress.com/category/14th-amendment/

  • Pete

    American liberal says:
    May 21, 2010 at 5:29 am
    Margot … The ” crazy law” your wondering about is the constitution and 14th amendment…. The question is… Should reform rewrite the 14th amendment…. My opinion is because I believe the constitution is a ” living document” which I’ve argued about many times on this site…that the condictions have changed in this country abd it’s no longer right to allow anchor babys…and I’ll use this artical to say… I believe it proves the constitution is a living document subject to change as our enviorment and condictions change in America…. It’s was never meant to stay like the the condictions of 1776…
    ————————-
    You’re opinion is duely noted . But as for being a “Living” document is absurd. Why even have a federal or state constitution if one can simply ,willy nilly, change it to suit there needs ?
    By extention, why even have laws ?

    • kate8

      We’ve all been subject to “living” rules for some time now. Some laws get enforced, some not. Some people have to obey them, some don’t. It seems to all depend on the whims and biases of those in office in different localities, whether or not one is a citizen, what one’s status is, whether they had a rough childhood, what your cultural background is…

      Isn’t it fun playing by “living” rules?

      This is what has torn this country apart, changing us from a nation which stands for the rule of law, to a squabbling bunch of crybabies who throw tantrums when things get too out of hand and someone steps in to actually bring enforcement and order.

      We will get order soon enough. A New World Order.

      • Jana

        Kate8
        You are so right. Great ost.

        • Jana

          Kat8
          I meant Great post.:)

      • Star827

        To tie my posts together – this post brings very valid points.The administrations of the past and present have changed the Constitution to suit their needs at the time.If what this article points out does actually turn out to be FACT – then the ‘forefathers’ who perpetrated this action – just saying “oh it was passed you just didn’t know it” (basically) – should have been hung from the trees for treason!! As it is – the Constitution was mostly adopted from some of the ONLY original people of this land.We can lend our freedoms to the Native Americans and the Constitution of the Iriquois Confederaton.The (original)5 Great Nations had these “laws” as the laws of their people in WRITTEN form 500 YEARS BEFORE Columbus stepped foot on this land.(And he WASN’T the first white,but I digress…)The added Bill of Rights and Amendments were mostly adopted from the Magna Carta and several others.Considering that the 14th Amendment was done after the civil war,I would dare say that it was intended only for the slaves,and was not meant to be an extension nor open invitation for illegal aliens.The people at the time would not have had the kind of foresight to know the consequences of what has become a “vaguely” worded statement only because of how we have “generally” interpreted it since then.An “anchor babies” policy is nothing but a death trap for our financial situation,our law enforcement,and our society as Americans.There is probably no way to get a clarification of that Amendment on the national books.However – the states could put their own on their books – since it was to be left to the states anyways….but then it’d probably get deemed “racist”….

        • kate8

          I remember reading about Maritime Law, that it has been superimposed over our Constitutional Law, and when Congress passes a law, if there is not opposition to it, our silence is deemed as agreement. Never mind if it was done in secret and we didn’t know about it.

          Everyone should research the issue of Maritime Law. It kind of changes the whole game.

        • Angel

          That is exactly it…they ‘changed it” to suit their needs at the time. Is it not wonderful how they can take a written document and bend it and shape it, add to it and subtract from it and interpret it to suit their needs at the time…NOT. I know one part of the constitution also that they are ‘trying to interpret or change”…the right to keep and bear arms should not be infringed on. I believe that is pretty cut and dry but look at what they are trying to do there! Just try it…let them just try and take my guns! I will not go down silently or without a fight!

        • Mickey

          And weren’t the Mexicans considered “white” in Texas? Which discrimination are your talking about? lol Mexicans and Jackson certainly don’t want any one knowing this. Imagine, Jackson supporting “trafficking of whites”.

  • Bruce Eden

    Maybe you should also look at the 16th Amendment (the Income Tax Amendment). There is more definitive information in books and periodicals that this Amendment was never properly ratified either. In fact, based on the facts presented about this Amendment, no state ever ratified it. It was rammed through to usurp the will of the American people. Sound familiar?

  • American liberal

    Pete… Then if were to take the constitution word for word as the letter of the law…. Then you’re saying you stand by the 14th amendment as it’s written and Anchor babys should stay the law…..and that the constitution should always be upheld the exact way it’s written… This that your position?….remember…. Women had no vote…. And Blacks were concidered property….
    My opinion is everything changes with time and we must adjust according to the current living condictions… In other words apply commonsense

    • Doug

      It’s very obvious that there needs to be some sort of intelligents test before one can vote. Look what happened the idiots of American voted in illegal alien who does not love this country and who really needs to be sent to Middle East so he can see first hand how Arabs feel about black people!

      Also American Lib you might want to read what in front of you as you can see many feel that the 14th and the 16th were implemented illegally just like your president.

    • Conservative at Birth

      There is a proccess called and Amendment to change the Constitution. It is difficult and time consuming. So, If you want to change it, start and Amendment and see if you can.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Again, its not the constitution, its an amendment. Amendment means a change or an addition. Then the lawyers prostituted it, because that is what they do.

      • Smilee

        Beberoni

        The constitution when amended makes the amendment part of the constitution not separate from the original as you want us to believe. The founding fathers never intended that their word would be taken in perpetuity or the final word and that is why they made provisions to amend what they did and that any future generation could perform changes to what they did without guidance other than method to what we could change, that they left up to us. I wonder often how they would feel knowing how some today look at them as almost godlike and worship them. I think they would be offended.

    • CJ

      That’s right! You take it WORD FOR WORD! Then, if the majority feels it no longer needs to apply, you AMMEND it. THAT is common sense! Your attitude that INTERPRETATION changes is the problem. There is no way anybody can write a law today and know EVERY application for it in the future. BUT, when you take it and apply it to new circumstances, you have to use those under which it was written, and understand its intent, before you decide if it applies or not. That’s what the Supreme Court is for. Problem is, they’ve stooped to legislating law (the job of congress) and not limiting themselves to determining the constitutionality only.

    • Rev. Jimmie Lee Robins

      Yes, we need to support the Constitution, but unfortunatelly, it is interpprited by our elected officials. Who do not bother to consult the Supreme Court for an opinion. There are three bodies of government; but in this case the Executive branch controls the other branchs. They are suppose to work together to support the Constitution. The Judicial branch has been left out of every phase of this administrations operation, including the eligability of Obama to run for President.

      • PragmaticSort

        You nailed it- its the only branch left (until November) that is not controlled by the progressives. Obama, Pelosi, and the soon to be dethroned Reed are sure to steer clear of the Consvervative SC in all their actions. Hopefully they all outlive Obama’s presidency so he does not appoint another of his buddies to the court. Typical liberal Chicago style corrupt politics.

    • tim

      American Liberal…….read Justice Breyer’s book,….”Active Liberty”……tremendous read……….

      And for those Conservatives out there, you’d be surprised to know, that I read former Chief Justice Rehquist’s Biography, ans well as Clarence Thomas and Thurgood Marshall’s biographys……

      All very interesting………..

      And Rehquist went to the same High School as both of my sons……in Shorewood, Wiscoansin…………

      Just some food for thought……..

      • libertytrain

        Shorewood as kind of an extension of the “cool” East Side was always (even 40 years ago) more of a leftist yuppie-type area. IS this now the bigoted Milwaukee area you refer to?

        • tim

          Your memory serves you right, LibertyTrain…….Yes Shorewood is on the East side…..it is relatively Liberal, but less and less Political really……..I grew up on the East side 5 blocks from Lake Michigan and Bradford Beach, if you recall that area……..

          And just 5 blocks from our House, the Mob boss Frank Balistreri lived………We actually trick-or-treated there as kids……believe it or not……….My old friend dated his daughter many years ago………Interesting childhood, to say the least……

          What part of Milwaukee did you grow up??

        • tim

          Also, LibertyTrain…….Milwaukee now, is one of the most segregated Cities in the Country…….if not #1……….

          • libertytrain

            Milwaukee and Boston always were. The North is more so than the South having experienced a good number of years in both parts of the country. Southside – then the Eastside “down by” UWM. I still know the city well return once or twice a year. Favorite area if I were to be forced to live there now – Bay View. Not big on Cedarburg/Grafton area either.

          • tim

            LivertyTrain….I graduated from UWM…….
            Yes, Boston & Milwaukee are very much alike that way….When I tavelled to Boston several times back in the 90′s, with my Job, I noticed that…………

            Bay View, is starting to get very “trendy” now. It’s starting to look, much like the East side, with it’s Cafe’s and Panini sandwiches………Many people who grew up in Milwaukee, bolted out to the Suburbs, but, since many are now empty-nesters, they are coming back Downtown……..ALOT of Condos, going up in the Downtown area now…………We still have Summerfest (which you must remember), and all of the ethnic Festivals……..

            Not a bad place to live…………

          • libertytrain

            I went to the first Summerfest and many after as it grew. Bay View is trendy now, however, I spent my first years there and have a deep affection for it.

          • tim

            I actually like Bay View…….I used to play volleyball for O’Brien’s Tavern, there on Logan St…….and my son lived there for a awhile……..

  • Conservative at Birth

    We need to mount a challenge to the 14th and/or repeal it immediately. This is insane! We are being invaded by Mexico. I am conacting my Federal and State Representative/Senators today. Are You?

    • CJ

      I see the ammendment as workable. What needs to stop is the misapplication of good intentions for illgotten gains by liberals. Compassion is only good until the recepient uses it against you. Then they will distroy you with your own good intentions.

  • http://www.personalliberty.com Peterbuilt

    I think that illegals have no rights! Why are we supporting 20 million mexicans. If they want jobs create jobs in mexico and let them stay there. When is America realized that is costing trillions of dollars having these people in here. This is so wrong, WAKE UP AMERICA!

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      They dont care. They know the hispanics are breeding like rabbits, and they also know that by something like 2030, there will be more hispanics here than white people, and they are all getting in bed with them, legal or not, to get their votes in the future. That is how sick politicians are for power, as these guys around today wont even be around then, most of them, and by the time this happens, if your not a hispanic, forget about running for office, or being a successful business man, because they are not going to afford treatment like this to a minority white population. No, you will not receive anything when you become the minority white America, you will be done. You will not be allowed to have a White History week, or a White Miss America, or a White Television Network. That would be considered racist. But you will not receive the same kind of minority advantages that you now give to every swinging minority under the sun. Welcome to reality.

      • http://Yahoo Sandy Archer

        You hit the nail right directly on the HEAD. Again there is no reason to allow illegals to drop their babies in ANY Country and have that child be a legal citizen. I’m all for helping people but I have to abide by laws and rules and the Illegals should be hunted down and sent back to whereever they came from. If you want to come in legally and give back to this country (America) by paying taxes and doing everything I have to do as a citizen then more power to you. Most of these people get WIC, Welfare, free housing, free education, free medical while I am struggling to pay my bills and make ends meet. Obama is for this because he wants to take America down and I still do not believe he has proven HIS citizenship!!!

      • tim

        Beberoni…….breeding like rabbits………???

        Who’s doing the “Hating” on this site?????????

        • PragmaticSort

          Yes, that is a poor choice of words but what really sucks is it describes the situation accurately. Illegal immigration needs to be policed. Long Live Arizona!

        • http://aol wayne a

          tim,he’s right,like a rabbit.how many of the illegal families have just one or two kids? besides the more kids they have,the more welfare they get!

        • kate8

          So, what is hateful about that? Personally, I love rabbits, even though they have large families.

          We still don’t need foreign nationals sneaking into our country to reap the benefits of our labor, and steal our inheritance. Let them do what we did: rise up and make their own countries more suitable. Our forefathers didn’t fight and die so we could just give it all away to those who don’t even respect our laws.

      • kate8

        You are right, Beberoni. Isn’t the credo of La Raza “For the race, everything. For everyone else, nothing.”

        There have been many, many whites who have fought for the rights and liberties of ALL people, regardless of color or nationality.

        Now we have a growing population of OTW’s who’ve been raised being taught to hate the “evil, racist whiteman who’s responsible for every bad thing that ever happened in the history of the Earth”.

        We’ll see what happens when they assume control.

        • tim

          The White man is very diverse, as well…….and NO, they are Not the Evil-doers of the world……..but they have plenty of blood on their hands……..

          There are many many Great White men in History……….many many.

          I’m sorry, I used the word “diversity”………..which is sort of, a 4 letter word, isn’t it?????

          • kate8

            EVERY race has bood on their hands! There are plenty of people who have history of much more barbarism and violence than whites. Why is it that they all get a pass?

            Just look at what goes in in Islamic countries, or China, or even Africa for that matter. Genocide, atrocity, slavery…still today.

            Take a break with the white bashing already. It’s offensive.

    • Angel

      You are right…the illegals HAVE no rights. The constitution was written for the nation of America and her citizens. If you are not a citizen of this nation…it does not apply!

      • Sunshine

        It has always been my impression that foreigners fled their countries because of atrocities, genocide, poor conditions, dictatorial governments, lack of freedom, etc. Why, then, if the country of Mexico is soooooo bad a place to live that their people feel forced to flee and ILLEGALLY enter the U.S., do the illegals want to FORCE the U.S. to become “MEXICO”? That is exactly what they are doing. Look at the signage portreyed at their marches and rallies, and they fly the flag of the country that was so bad they had to leave! And the government allows and backs their shenanigans because unless they bring the status of the U.S. citizen, especially the large, working, middle class of citizen, down to that of a third-world country, they won’t be able to impose their NWO agenda – a One-World Government. Has anyone besides myself researched the WCPA? That stands for the World Constitution and Parliament Association, and I ran across their office in Littleton, Colorado on one of my “research” trips in 1998. They had already been active for many years, re-writing, with the idea of eliminating, The Constitution of the United States of America!

  • Conservative at Birth

    Why on earth are there so many Communists and Socialists writing on this web site? There retorical comments are boring and lack any intelligent content.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Thats just how liberals are.

    • JohntheMick

      I think they hate you because you are christian, white, and want to work. They’re straight-a-phobes.

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Linda

    Liberals are [offensive word removed] total wacko [offensive word removed] I cannot wait till the whinning uneducated bunch of wackos see what is happening right before their eyes but they are too blind to see I hope it hits them hard especially when these dirtbag illegals start robbing and killing which they already do one of the in Balt. beheaded his three relatives they were little children, we are headed for a crash and I hope it hits you hard

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      It will be just as I said in one of my posts above Linda. Its going to be a mess, because the left wing liberal pacifists appeasers are going to allow it all to go down the tubes, in the name of making themselves think they are saving the world, why they are flushing us down the crapper.

      • PragmaticSort

        Everyone should remember Beb’s post when they go to the polls in November. Vote the progressives out. Its our only hope.

    • tim

      Armegeddon………Armegeddon!!!!!!!!!!!

      You people sound like Jehova Witnesses……….

      • del

        your an idiot!

      • kate8

        Well, tim, so now you’ve added Jehova Witnesses to your list of those you hate? Gee, I’ve known a few, and they seem to embrace all races and nationalities. So what is it you hate? By your logic, if you hate a Jehovah Witness who happens to be a minority, then you are a RACIST!!!!!

        Who elsy you got on that list, besides whites? Jews? Catholics? Christians in general? Because they come in ALL races and colors.

        So, now we know. tim, you are a true racist. You can go away now.

  • American liberal

    Pete… Your also saying ” if it’s in the constitution” it’s written in stone and not subject to reform…. So no discussion is even possible….what’s absurd is saying condictions and laws can’t change with time…with all due respect… Your very wrong…I believe anything in the constitution that’s not a benifit to the American people at the current time is subject to reform… Remember.. The constitution was written to protect us and guide us…not bind us in laws that hurt our country….

    • Conservative at Birth

      So, you do want to repeal the 14th and 16th Amendments, as they were never proplerly ratified?

      • Smilee

        Conservative at Birth says:
        May 21, 2010 at 6:25 am

        So, you do want to repeal the 14th and 16th Amendments, as they were never proplerly ratified?

        Can you prove they were never properly ratified???? I doubt you have any facts or evidence to support your allegations. Pure speculation is more like it. If you could prove it they would not have to be repealed as they would then not exist would they???

        • JeffH

          THE 14TH AMENDMENT IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL
          - Judge L.H. Perez

          The purported 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution is and should be held to be ineffective, invalid, null, void, and unconstitutional for the following reasons:

          1. The Joint Resolution proposing said Amendment was not submitted to or adopted by a Constitutional Congress. Article I, Section 3, and Article V of the U.S. Constitution.

          2. The Joint Resolution was not submitted to the President for his approval. Article I, Section 7.

          3. The proposed 14th Amendment was rejected by more than one-fourth of all the States then in the Union, and it was never ratified by three-fourths of all the States in the Union.

          I. The Unconstitutional Congress

          The United States Constitution provides:

          Article 1, Section 3. “The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each State ***”

          Article V provides: “No State, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in the Senate.”

          The fact that twenty-three (23) Senators had been unlawfully excluded from the U.S. Senate, in order to secure a two-thirds vote for adoption of the Joint Resolution proposing the 14th Amendment is shown by Resolutions of protest adopted by the following state legislatures:
          1I. Joint Resolution Ineffective

          Article I, Section 7 provides that not only every bill which shall have been passed by the House of Representatives and the Senate of the United States Congress, but that:

          Every order, resolution, or vote to which the concurrence of the Senate and House of Representatives may be necessary (except on a question of adjournment) shall be presented to the President of the United States; and before the same shall take effect, shall be approved by him, or being disapproved by him shall be repassed by two-thirds of the Senate and House of Representatives, according to the rules and limitations prescribed in the case of a bill.

          The Joint Resolution proposing the 14th Amendment, (14 Statutes at Large, p. 358 etc.) was never presented to the President of the United States for his approval, as President Andrew Johnson stated in his message on June 22, 1866. (Senate Journal, 39th Congress, lst session. p, 563, and House Journal, p. 889)

          III. Proposed Amendment Never Ratified by Three-Fourths of the States

          1. Pretermitting the ineffectiveness of said resolution, as above, fifteen (15) States out of then thirty-seven (37) States of the Union rejected the proposed 14th Amendment between the date of its submission to the States by the Secretary of State on June 16, 1866 and March 24, 1868, thereby further nullifying said resolution and making it impossible for its ratification by the constitutionally required three-fourths of such States, as shown by the rejections thereof by the Legislatures of the following states:

          Texas rejected the 14th Amendment on October 27, 1866. (House Journal 1866, pp. 578-584; Senate Journal 1866, p. 471)

          Georgia rejected the 14th Amendment on November 9, 1866. (House Journal 1866, p. 68; Senate Journal 1866, p. 72.)

          Florida rejected the 14th Amendment on December 6, 1866. (House Journal 1866, p. 76; Senate Journal 1866, p. 8)

          Alabama rejected the 14th Amendment on December 7, 1866. (House Journal 1866, pp. 210-213; Senate Journal 1866, p. 183)

          North Carolina rejected the 14th Amendment on December 14, 1866. (House Journal 1866-1867, p. 183; Senate Journal 1866-1867, p. 138)

          Arkansas rejected the 14th Amendment on December 17, 1866. (House Journal 1866, pp. 288-291; Senate Journal 1866, p. 262

          South Carolina rejected the 14th Amendment on December 20, 1866. (McPherson, Reconstruction, p. 194; Annual Encyclopedia, p. 452)

          Kentucky rejected the 14th Amendment on January 8, 1867. (House Journal 1867, p. 60; Senate Journal 1867, p. 62)

          Virginia rejected the 14th Amendment on January 9, 1867. (House Journal 1866-1867, p. 108; Senate Journal 1866-1867, p. 101)

          Louisiana rejected the 14th Amendment on February 6, 1867. (McPherson, Reconstruction, p. 194; Annual Encyclopedia, p. 452)

          Delaware rejected the 14th Amendment on February 7, 1867 (House Journal 1867, p. 223; Senate Journal 1867, p. 176)

          Maryland rejected the 14th Amendment on March 23, 1867 (House Journal 1867, p. 1141; Senate Journal 1867, p. 808)

          Mississippi rejected the 14th Amendment on January 31, 1867. (McPherson, Reconstruction, p. 194)

          Ohio rejected the 14th Amendment on January 15, 1868 (House Journal 1868, pp. 44-50; Senate Journal 1868, pp. 33-38.)

          New Jersey rejected the 14th Amendment on March 24, 1868. (Minutes of the Assembly 1868, p. 743; Senate Journal 1868, p. 356)

          There was no question that all of the Southern states which rejected the 14th Amendment had legally constituted governments, were fully recognized by the federal government, and were functioning as member states of the Union at the time of their rejection.

          President Andrew Johnson, in his Veto message of March 2, 1867, (House Journal, 39th Congress, 2nd Sessn., p. 563 etc.) pointed out:

          It is not denied that the States in question have each of them an actual government with all the power, executive, judicial, and legislative, which properly belong to a free State. They are organized like the other States of the Union, and, like them, they make, administer, and execute the laws which concern their domestic affairs.

          Why does a judge swear to discharge his duties agreeably to the Constitution of the United States, if that constitution forms no rule for his government?

          If such be the real state of things, that is worse than solemn mockery. To prescribe, or take this oath, becomes equally a crime.

          Thus, the particular phraseology of the Constitution of the United States confirms and strengthens the principle, supposed to be essential to all written constitutions * * * * courts, as well as other departments, are bound by that instrument.

          The federal courts actually refuse to hear argument on the invalidity of the 14th Amendment, even when the issue is presented squarely by the pleadings and the evidence as above.

          Only an aroused public sentiment in favor of preserving the Constitution and our institutions and freedoms under constitutional government, and the future security of our country, will break the political barrier which now prevents judicial consideration of the unconstitutionality of the 14th Amendment.
          http://www.sweetliberty.org/fourteenth.amend.htm

          • Smilee

            Jeff

            Just a lot of rhetoric but has no force of law therefore your whole post is totally irelevant

          • Sunshine

            JEFF H CONGRATULATIONS!!!!! You have REALLY done your homework. Maybe our lib posters will actually read and try to understand your post – perhaps even LOOK IT UP FOR THEMSELVES before they continue to show their lack of knowledge by bothering to post at all!

    • gary

      American Liberal I think then what you are saying is screw the constitution, tear it up, and create a document that fits the times over and over and over and (someone tell me where to stop) I think you need to get off the CRACK!

    • gary

      THe constitution is the law that we live by!! The 14th amendment is just that an ammendment and it can be changed. I would also say that yes the constitution should be written in stone. It is the only thing that stands in the way of people like you and Obama.

    • andrew

      yes am lib answer the question please,are you in or out?

  • American liberal

    Lol… I guess the feedback were seeing here is an example of the Ultra conservative Christian view.”… For those of you capable of having a rational discussion that comment isn’t meant for you….and I thank you for the intelligent discussion…

    • chrisk

      Rational discussion? No, financial well-being of the country!

      Do you know Spanish? Do you get food stamps at the taxpayer’s expense?
      Medicaid? Housing subsidies? Job preferences?

      The Constitution was never meant to encourage “legal citizens” to pay for, support and promote “illegal citizenry” at the expense of an entire country and its hard-working taxpayer’s. GOT IT?

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Thank you. You are very correct in your assessment.

    • CJ

      So, by your point… I figure you’re only able to talk to yourself. Your’re so closed minded by your comments. You have no discussion, you just stir the pot by injecting unrelated distractions. YOU are the one who can’t stick to a point and follow through. You add to the confusion instead of helping solve the problem. Take a LONG hard look in the mirror my friend.

    • PragmaticSort

      Hey libb (four letter word intended)- get off the religon bashing here. Dont see much of that contributing to the replies you are receiving to your progressive socialist posts. Your party has shown their hand- control, control, control. Champion the illegals so they will become good little lefties. Just dont move into your neighborhood please or our property values will plunge again! Dont add taxes, but develope programs that will add to the cost of goods and services for everyone. Cap and Trade, Lead laws, tobacco taxes, IRS policing the insurance ‘program’. We dont need the nanny-state. We need much smaller government that doesnt print money out of thin air that our children and grand children must pay back. Our congress and senate need to reform themselves before they can do anything for our country.

      • Sunshine

        PRAG — You have struck a nerve here. Tell me, WHY, when what you call “money” isn’t really “money”, as it is neither silver, or gold, or anything else that has real “value”, it is only fiat paper notes that have NO backing or legality, and therefore we cannot be forced to “pay back”, WHY do we the people keep voting for “representatives” who want to raise taxes and raise taxes to force us to “pay back” what the government had no authorization by we the people to print and spend in the first place? Here again, the people on some of these posts should do their homework before they speak and denigrate those who, obvious to anyone who has done ANY research, speak the truth based on documents and facts. They apparently don’t know that the government, based on the Constitution, had no authority to pass the “coining of money” or the “issuing of paper notes” to a privately owned corporation known as the Federal Reserve (which is NEITHER FEDERAL, nor is there any RESERVE), a corporation which has never been audited like all other corporations are forced to allow; a corporation which uses “the good faith and credit” AND PROPERTY of the citizens of this country for COLLATERAL to issue the “loans” they give to our government to spend on all the unnecessary pork barrel crap without our consent. Also, the “strong arm” of the Fed.Reserve is known as the IRS…another privately owned corp. who hasn’t allowed an audit! Get the connection, libs?

  • gary

    American Liberal I see you are another one of those Lemming follow the great Black Lemming into the deep. Bush did a good job considering what he had to deal with and if the Republicans would have stayed in office we would not be in this [offensive word removed mess we are in now.
    What would you have done the day of 9/11? THe money that was spent was for the war in Iraq and Afgan crap hole. Two weeks prior to the attack if I or anyone had told you there was a plan to attack the white house,pentagon and fly jets into buildings in New York, You would have said B.S. Why even bring it up as it is water over the dam and this [offensive word removed] we call a president is the worse thing that has happened to this country. He will not support this country if anyone tries to do evil to us. Also if you think this health care bill is anything to celebrate, you must be crack addict.
    As for the immigration issue it is a done deal. Everyone will get amnisty and there will be no more security added to the border. THe black masiah just agreed with the Mexican president on it. You will live to eat your words! Believe it!!

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      You know what Barack would have done on 9-11. He would have gone on TV, and told us all we deserved this, and that we should be nicer to these terrorists as they are trying to kill us. We should all invite them into our homes, and have a glass of wine with them, and help them to overtake us, so that they will like us. Yeah, thats about the extent of the liberal left, as evidenced by their actions.

      • Jana

        Bebe,

        You do know Obama well don’t you. You have him pegged just right.

      • JohntheMick

        Don’t forget there’s a “learning” opportunity here. The American people acted stupidly, huh ?

      • kate8

        Don’t forget that he would have zoomed over to the middle east and bowed and apologized for making them so miserable that they felt they had to kill our people to make themselves feel better. Then he would have given them another pile of our money, and declared a national day of prayer and remembrance to the Jihadists who died in the planes, and declared 9/ll as a national holiday in honor of Allah’s revenge on the Great Satan.

  • American liberal

    Peterbuilt… I’m not sure all illegal immigrants are from Mexico…. The majority , yes,, all , No

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      You got that part right. We have illegals from every corner of the earth, as they know this is the only country in the world, that will punish its working citizenry, by taking money from them and giving it to these illegals. They know that, and they come here in droves, and our government just keeps taking and taking from the working folks, and giving and giving and giving to the illegal aliens, and to our lazy butt Americans that dont feel like working. Ive got a big problem with that, as should any America loving American. I would hope you do to.

      • http://personalliberty.com RChick

        Here’s a question… Are illegals really lazy or are they getting help from the government (taxpayer) while illegally working under the table for employers and not paying into the system through taxes, etc.?

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          I dont think they are lazy at all. As my post said, illegals and lazy Americans. There a a lot of lazy American’s that have made a living off of the sytem, getting handouts and not working. And I think your right, that the illegals are getting hand outs, and working tax free under the table.

          • http://aol wayne a

            beberoni,lets take it one step at a time.lets get rid of all these illegal parasites then we can start on the lazy americans thats on welfare,thats capable of working but to lazy to.

        • Jana

          RChick,
          Actually, when you meet illegals, most of them as a people are really nice the only problem is, they have come from a society that stealing is a way of life, as this is one of the ways they have of surviving.
          When they steal their way across the border then, that is ok. When they see something around your house that looks good, then stealing this is ok too. Therefore, when they come over here to get free anything they can get they don’t consider this stealing. After all if the gringos are stupid enough to give it they are sure willing to take it.
          Especially if they know that they can get a pregnant woman over here just a few days before she isto have her baby, then they ( she and the baby) will be able to stay legally and milk the system for all its worth. This is why they can get SS benefits (legal baby) and we also have to take care of mama, and house them and feed them. Then the rest of the family comes over, which includes babies daddy, and babies aunts and uncles and grandparents, and now they can all get medicaid and ss benefits and free housing and free food stamps. You multiply this by thousands and thousands and we have major problems. Then we add the others who come across to just get over here and now we have a nightmare.

          The story that I always heard about the word Gringo came from when they were fighting against us, in the wintertime, we wore green coats and were known as the green coats. The Mexicans could not say green coats and therefore they called us greengo’s then it evolved into gringo.

          • kate8

            Jana, about six years ago my 2 sisters bought retirement homes in an adult community that was under construction. Of course, the crews were made up off illegals.

            They’d work on construction during the day, and then come back at night and steal the appliances and fixtures out of the units. They were caught several times by people who had already moved in.

            I would never want to employ anyone who stole from me. There was a time when people in those jobs would have been bonded and could be trusted. Now, anyone’s okay as long as they are cheap.

            But then, that’s just me.

        • American Citizen

          They may not be lazy, but they send most of the money they make back to Mexico or wherever they came from. They don’t spend it here to help our economy.

          • American Citizen

            Kate8, I have two daughter who have bought houses that were sitting empty in need of rehab in neighborhoods that were inhabited mostly by minorities. They would fix them up and then either rent them or sell them. Many times they had to replace fixtures, copper wiring, and appliances that would be stolen before they could get someone in. Needless to say, they stopped doing the rehab because it cost them more than it was worth. Those thieves were people who lived in the neighborhoods.

  • American liberal

    Linda… What does your ignorant rant have to do with this article and the discussion?… You’re calling who ” uneducated?..

    • http://aol wayne a

      american liberal,i sure in the hell haven’t been impressed with your lack of factual comments either!

    • airangel

      Her ignorant rant? AM Lib – that’s the pot calling the kettle black! 90% of your posts use the word “race” and “Bush” and have nothing to do with the articles and contribute nothing productive…so why don’t you go back and read your own “ignorant rants”

  • Joseph

    We need to fight to have the 14th Amendment changed to exclude illegals from becomming citizens of the U.S., where ever they come from.

    • chrisk

      ABSOLUTELY!!!!

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Whats going to happen, is there is coming a time when Americans are going to get fed up, and we will have some sort of revolution on our hands, where innocent people are going to start getting shot because of what they look like, because of our governments lack of action on this. There is a breaking point to everything and everyone, and there is a day when the American citizen is going to have enough, and then its going to get ugly. Thanks to the liberal left, its going to happen sooner rather than later.

    • CJ

      Most laws, including ammendments to the Constitution, are fine AS WRITTEN. What is needed is intelligent application of them, not liberal attempts to streach the meaning until it becomes meaningless and unenforceable.

    • http://personalliberty.com RChick

      Fight to have it changed? We all know what radical change can do to this country. Why not have the process reviewed and figure out whether or not it really was pushed through instead of procedurally passed. After that, we take appropriate steps after careful consideration!

      We just can’t be so reactionary in this country. We have an oil spill in the gulf, now we’re going to ban or severely limit offshore drilling. In Minnesota a few weeks ago we had a few accidents which took the life of around 7 teenagers (granted, extremely sad), now Sen. Klobucher is trying to change the driving age. I don’t get it. These weren’t problems for decades, and now we have one incident and the Left wants to ban it or change it, etc. We rational people cannot think like that. We need to use our minds and logic.

    • JohntheMick

      Barry said himself that the constitution was old and needed updating. He said it tells what the gov can’t do, but doesn’t say what it can do TO, I mean FOR you.

  • Mary

    I can say Obama is a thug, idiot, crooked moron. I am his cousin so I am entitled to talked about the piece of garbage that he is. He has done nothing to improve our country, just like all the other politician’s in Chicago, they would sell their souls for a quarter.

    • http://personalliberty.com RChick

      I have no way of knowing if you are, in fact, his cousin. But I would think that anyone related to PEBO (president-elect Barack Obama, as Chris Baker calls him) wouldn’t like him. Heck, his own auntie is in public housing in Boston and his brother lives in a hut in Africa. He made somewhere around $4 million the year he was campaigning for the presidency and his family has to either live off the government or in a less-than-desireable situation? What, he can’t help his own family? That shows you where his ideology comes from. Government first.

  • Pete

    American liberal says:
    May 21, 2010 at 6:09 am
    Pete… Then if were to take the constitution word for word as the letter of the law…. Then you’re saying you stand by the 14th amendment as it’s written and Anchor babys should stay the law…..and that the constitution should always be upheld the exact way it’s written… This that your position?….remember…. Women had no vote…. And Blacks were concidered property….
    My opinion is everything changes with time and we must adjust according to the current living condictions… In other words apply commonsense
    —————————
    I am starting to see you’re point more clearly. And amending the constitution “should be” difficult to do. And if people actually knew and understood the constitution , and lived and behaved accordingly, we probably wouldnt have to change it so often. I agree with changing the 14th to strike out the “Anchor baby” clause for sure. My only problem is that when we decide that we can change it to suite our whims-of -the day, the constitution becomes totally meaningless.

    • CJ

      Pete, although there is probably less than 10% of Am Lib’s points I feel are substantiated, I’m lost to your opinion. The Constitution IS difficult to change. And exactly what is the “Anchor Baby Clause” you refer to? I just read it again and I don’t see any clause. Are you saying we need to eliminate the first section of it? That would take another ammendment.

      • http://aol wayne a

        cj,the anchor baby clause is the 14th amendment

        • Smilee

          Far Right wingdings word for it, it id not a legit description

  • American liberal

    Conservative from birth… They document was signed…so would that ” ratify” it… I’m a little confused about arguments I’ve seen on this site that we should abide by the constitution as the founders wrote it in 1776( I disagree)… And now were discussing if we really want to grant citizenship to ” anyone born here”…… I belive that supports my opinion that the constitution applys to our current living situation and not as it was written in 1776…I’d be open to discussing changing the 14th amendment …is it fair to use the birth of a child to gain citizenship?..I’m thinking it’s exploiting the child and abusing the intent of ” legal immigration”.

    • CJ

      No Am Lib, it doesn’t. You have the Constitution, as ammended. Period! Any laws written after that are subject to verification by the Supreme Court if they in violation. That’s it. You DON’T write laws to ammend the interpertation of the Constitution. You EXPAND the interpretation when new examples develop. But the basic intent remains. You can not go back and claim the founding fathers “intended” something when president is already set by prior decisions they did not intend it. This is what you want to do, change it to suite your daily whims. We are a nation of over 300 Million and there has to be a common thread to decide by. Because we are getting away from this ideal is why there is so much confusion. If nobody knows what the interpretation is, who can they know what to inforce?? All your concept breeds is confusion and lowers enforcement’s ability. Without consistancy, nothing gets accomplished. Hummm, wonder why so much isn’t getting accomplished???????

  • Meteorlady

    Maybe we can blame the 14th amendment, but we also have to blame the Mexican and south American governments for being corrupt and not taking care of the people they represent. Mexico is one of the most corrupt nations and the police are so corrupt that the drug lords just walk all over them. In fact, the drug cartels are protected by the police. So I find it repugnant that Calderon is here begging for help and asking us to give amnesty to people he is responsible for.

    The concept of Anchor Babies costs us BILLIONS of dollars a year. These people come across in border states, head for the hospital emergency rooms and have their babies free thus driving up our health care costs. Then they go home, wait a bit and run back over and claim free schooling, food stamps, welfare and get around $1500 per child. That’s a real deal for them in my book. One lady claims benefits for 8 children – that’s a really really good income for her living in Mexico. But hey, I’m sure she’s the only one doing this right?

    Our “laws” in this country and our Constitution have been so abused over the years that they now are interpreted by whatever court, party of political organization wants to challenge them.

    “Our country is made up of immigrations” is a phrase that get heaped on when we talk securing our borders and deporting those here illegally. Our great grandparents and grandparents signed up, stood in line to come here, got the go ahead and jumped on a ship and headed for America. They had to fill out forms IN ENGLISH, get a physical, have a sponsor that was responsible for them, and have enough money to support themselves in their new Country. There were no social welfare benefits and everyone went to work. They were for the most part, successful and fit into their new country quite well. I would say our country is better for those that came here, accepted us, and help make this country great.

    Fast forward to today. They just fill out a visa request, come here and claim political or economic asylum and get to stay. Or, better yet, the churches and charity organization sponsor them and once here help them to head for the welfare office to collect their benefits. Then people that believe they don’t have to stand in line and wait their turn just walk across with forged papers and go to work. Once here they also can get driver’s licenses from some of the most liberal states. The commit crimes, sell drug, work for cash, send hugh amounts of American dollars to their families in Mexico, use our hospital emergency rooms as their health care, and generally keep having more children than they can afford to take care of and feed. They do not value education, they have trashed our salaries – what once paid $20/40 per hour now pays $12/18 per hour. AND my personal favorite is “they pay taxes and contribute to the local economy”…. so not true. Most businesses in my area would be happy to see them gone as the shoplifting and theft would probably stop. We have meth labs and marijuana grows in our community and when raided they find automatic weapons and even hand grenades.

    As for the Constitution being a “living document” as Am Lib suggest, what a crock. That would say that all laws made in this country are living laws and can be changed to suit any court’s, organization or person’s political views. So if illegals are criminals because they have a “need” then I should be able to rob a bank and not get arrested because I really “needed” the money.

    Fact is we need to get this problem under control. It’s not just simple Mexicans and South Americans that are coming across our borders – it’s people from the middle east, terrorists and others that would harm this country. They start in South America, learn Spanish and continue through Mexico where they blend in with the illegals crossing our borders. Meanwhile the news media and our government COMPLETELY ignore this fact as if it doesn’t exist and I have to take my shoes off at the airport.

    SECURE our borders! Secure them now and stop the flow. Then stop the anchor babies, then deport ALL who are here illegally. EVERY single one that cross our borders illegally knows that they broke the law and I could care less if they have to go back to their home country. They can get in line like everyone else did to come here legally. We also need to set the quotas down and stop allowing them to collect any type of benefits, because we are being over run with immigrants and they are sucking our social services programs dry, setting up their own bankers, and working for cash – all this while collecting welfare benefits, living in subsidized housing and getting free health care.

    • cella

      1500 per child. Where in the world do you get that? Call your local welfare office, a family of 4 in Ohio gets 490 dollars a month plus food stamps. They also have to work 20 hours a week to get it. Quit watching FOX. go to the source and get the facts.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Thats in Ohio. You take a 50,000 house in Ohio, move it to California, and plop it down, now its worth a half a million dollars. By the same means, their hand outs are much higher, as it is adjusted for the cost of living, so I wouldnt doubt this at all.

        • http://personalliberty.com RChick

          Come to Minnesota! People actually come from other states to “summer” (it’s too cold for them in the winter) here because the benefits are given out like condoms at a high school!!! I like to stay ignorant of how much a person receives in welfare here because if I knew, I’d completely lose it!

          I don’ mind helping someone if thy truly need it and are trying to better themselves, but this “living off the government” sucks! It not only hurts those who have to pay for it, but it makes the recipient an indentured servant to the political party or government who is buying their vote. So sad!

          • Smilee

            Poppycock, Even Pawlentys’s health commissioner after reviewing the records said an equal number on welfare people leave the state as come in the state each year and apply for welfare, but this BS keeps coming up with absolutely no facts to support it.

      • David

        No, you’re wrong there is an add-on for every child.There was a case in California where two illegal mothers with anchor babies “borrowed” each other’s children to milk the system for more money. Yes it is not a large amount that is paid but then again where does this financial aid come from.These programs were designed to aid American families who might have fallen upon hard times and needed a little help. They were never meant to be a lifestyle for those here illegally.
        The fact is that anyone not a citizen should not be eligible for any assistance paid for with tax-payer money.

      • http://aol wayne a

        lets see cella,1500 per child.have 5 children thats 7500 a month,alot more than the average american earns.food stamps,at least 1500 a month!all this for 20 hours aweek,sign me up.besides theres so many loopholes very few have to work the 20 hrs.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Cella,
        I’m from Ohio and I can only say one thing to your post…BS! I don’t know of anybody having to work 20 hrs a week to get their welfare here! I know one girl that gets 240 a month food stamps, is physically able to work, has no kids, and does NOTHING to get it. I know another woman that has two kids and she gets welfare and ADC and never works. Don’t give me that bs!!
        When I lived in Michigan, there was a girl right across the street that had two kids, got foodstamps, got ADC and death benefits on her late husband, and lived with a guy that was making about 1500 a month at a factory!! Dur to the fact that they were HEAVY drinkers, they were always broke by the 20 of the month!! There are people all over the country scamming the welfare system and making it hard for people that need a few months of help to get anything!!!

    • BigBadJohn

      Please do yourself a favor and pay attention. Clinton signed a welfare reform act in 1996.

      http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=1996_Personal_Responsibility_and_Work_Opportunity_Reconciliation_Act

      In addition to massive funding cuts of $60 billion over six years in programs that would supply cash assistance and food stamps, the “reform” plan ends the welfare entitlement (the federal guarantee of assistance to the poor), requires recipients to find work within two years or perform community service, mandates a minimum of 30 work hours per week (for parents with children over age 6), imposes a lifetime limit on receipt of aid, and rewards states with financial bonuses for reducing their caseloads.

      http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-07-17-welfare-reform-cover_x.htm
      The law signed by President Clinton on Aug. 22, 1996, has transformed the way the nation helps its neediest citizens. Gone is the promise of a government check for parents raising children in poverty. In its place are 50 state programs to help those parents get jobs.

      In the 12 years since caseloads peaked at 5.1 million families in 1994, millions have left the welfare rolls for low-paying jobs. Nearly 1 million more have been kicked off for not following states’ rules or have used up all the benefits they’re allowed under time limits. Today, 1.9 million families get cash benefits; in one-third of them, only the children qualify for aid. About 38% of those still on welfare are black, 33% white and 24% Hispanic.

      • http://aol wayne a

        bigbad john,on paper it sounded good but your statics are way outdated,look it up its not even close!very,very few people have to work to collect.millions have been added since your outdated stats were printed.

      • http://Don'thaveone Sally

        You are half right. The law under Obummer repealed all of that work nonsense which costs federal tax payers 2.5 Billion per year. This is one of the laws that received over 800,000 votes to repeal and take it back to what you said. Another thing on the 1500 they were talking about it is not so much welfare but that is what they get per child under the age of 18 from SSI. We have the same problem but of course not as bad here in Florida as Arizona. And on control of the weapons that that idiot Calderon spoke about, before they can buy a weapon they have to be run through the system so the only place they are buying the weapons is thru the black market. Did you all know, that if you are caught as an illegal alien in Mexico that it is an automatic 2 year jail sentense and then that man had the aldacity to blast our laws and our don’t even want to grant him the title of President agreed – My blood is still boilding over that. But what can I do, I am just a LEGAL American Citizen. If you want to join the fun and vote weekly for an item you want cut from the budjet, go to http://www.republicanwhip.house.gov/youcut. If you join (it is free) weekly they will send you 5 cuts to select from and the one that gets the most votes are brought up in Concress to cut and then they will report back to you what happened. What was really an eye opener for me was they also send you the agenda for the house for the week, day by day. You won’t believe it!!!!!!! So much superflous stuff and nothing that has any merit. Now I see why Obama when he was a senator didn’t bother to show up or voted “present”. It is criminal.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Sally,
          I checked how my congressman voted and as usual, he voted to cut the wasteful spending!! This is why I don’t want term limits. He has always voted conservative! It could take years to find another in my district to do that!!

  • Mary

    Joe Legal vs. Jose Illegal:

    You have 2 families…”Joe Legal” and “Jose Illegal”. Both families have 2
    parents, 2 children. “Joe Legal” works in construction, has a Social Security Number,
    and makes $25.00 per hour with payroll taxes deducted….”Jose Illegal” also works
    in construction, has “NO” Social Security Number, and gets paid $15.00 cash “under the table”.

    Joe Legal…$25.00 per hour x 40 hours $1000.00 per week, $52,000 per
    year.

    Now take 30% away for state federal tax, Joe Legal now has $31,231.00

    Jose Illegal…$15.00 per hour x 40 hours $600.00 per week, $31,200.00 per
    year. Jose Illegal pays no taxes… Jose Illegal now has $31,200.00

    Joe Legal pays Medical and Dental Insurance with limited coverage $1000.00
    per month, $12,000.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $19,231.00

    Jose Illegal has full Medical and Dental coverage through the state and
    local clinics at a cost of $0.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00

    Joe Legal makes too much money is not eligible for Food Stamps or welfare.
    Joe Legal pays for food $1,000.00 per month, $12,000.00 per year. Joe
    Legal now has $7,231.00

    Jose Illegal has no documented income and is eligible for Food Stamps and
    Welfare. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.

    Joe Legal pays rent of $1,000.00 per month. $12,000.00 per year. Joe Legal
    is now in the hole minus (-) $4,769.00

    Jose Illegal receives a $500 per month Federal rent subsidy. Jose Illegal
    pays rent. $500.00 per month. $6,000.00 per year Jose Illegal still has
    $31,200.00

    Joe Legal now works overtime on Saturdays or gets a part time job after
    work.

    Jose Illegal has nights and weekends off to enjoy with his family.

    Joe Legal’s and Jose Illegal’s children both attend the same school. Joe
    Legal pays for his children’s lunches while Jose Illegal’s children get a
    government sponsored lunch. Jose Illegal’s children have an after school
    ESL program. Joe Legal’s children go home.

    Joe Legal and Jose Illegal both enjoy the same Police and Fire Services,
    but Joe paid for them and Jose did not pay.

    Don’t vote/support any politician that supports illegal aliens…Its PAST
    time to take a stand for America and Americans!

    • American liberal

      Mary… I believe what your saying is the immigration laws should have been enforced over the last 50 years….and I agree….nobody without a visa, work permit or social security card and doesn’t pay taxes should ever be hired….. We agree….. Now we have to finally enforce that law….

      • CJ

        Am Lib, which law is that we need to enforce? The federal law the prohibits asking status of the school kids parents? Or any of the other federal laws that prohibit proving someone has legal right to subsidies? Are those the ones? Guess you weren’t watching when the school kid put the first lady on the spot with that one, huh?

        • http://?? Joe H.

          CJ,
          That kid said her mother didn’t have papers and what did ms. Obummer say? well we’ll have to fix that, won’t we? Why didn’t she say gee, that’s too bad!

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        I agree totally with you on this one. We have all these laws, such as its illegal to be in this country, illegally. Yet we dont enforce that, and and this current administration lets the president of Mexico come and lambast our government for taking action. I applaud the state of Arizona, and think all states should take whatever action they deem necessary, being that the federal government wont. I know this has been going on for many administrations before Obama’s, but he is the one that opened his big mouth and told Arizona and all the United States that “this is a bad law”, and that shows how weak he is. He should have been sending them a billion dollars of support to enforce this. I would not blame Arizona if it put a fence between it and its border with California, since California willingly and knowingly lets illegals flow into their state, and willingly and knowingly accepts money the Federal government takes from all us other states and pours it into California to take care of their illegals. I dont care how you word it, its wrong. Law is law, and it should be enforced. If its not going to be enforced, take it off the books and just let them take it all over faster and get it over with.

      • http://personalliberty.com RChick

        OH MY GOSH! I actually agree with a point this person wrote!!! You finally make a point using logic. Yes, the employers who give these undocumented people jobs should also be punished in addition to closing the borders and sending those who are here illegally back to their country. Keep reading these blogs, Am Lib. There may be hope for you yet!

        • Jana

          RChick.
          About 15 years ago my husband and 3 of his co-workers were sent to Mexico to work for a year.
          When they went to the proper place to obtain their work visa’s, it was about an hour before closing time. The Mexican official told them they would need to come back in the morning. My husband asked for his passport back and said he would bring it back in the morning then. The Official told him he needed to keep it and my husband said then he would,’t leave without it, that he would stay there. So the Official relenquished and gave him his passport, but the 3 other men left thiers there. The next morning each of the 3 men were charged $5,000. a piece to get back their passports. Of course since my dh had his with him he was able to get his visa and go.

      • http://GOGGLE vaksal

        TO AMERICAN LIBERAL IN REPLY TO YOUR REPLY TO MARY,FINALLY I CAN AGREE WITH YOUR POST,THE LAW MUST BE UPHELD OR THEIR WILL BE CHAOS.

    • US Patriot

      Mary: I am glad to see that you reposted my orignial post of Joe Legal vs Jose Illegal. Thank You.

  • chucky

    Anyone with a half of a brain knows that if you drop a baby over the boarder while you are here illegally, The child is a citizen of the country you the parent are a citizen of(not The United States). An example would be take it the other way around. You are an american citizen and you and your pregnant wife take a cruise to bermuda. on the way your wife gives birth. Does that mean that now the child born is now a citizen of the international waters? OF COURSE NOT. Come here with papers and go through citizenship the LEGAL way and You give birth.By all means that child born is an American citizen. NO MATTER HOW MUCH THEY SPIN IT ,NO MATTER HOW MUCH THEY SUGAR COAT IT. SETTLE FOR NOTHING LESS THAN TOTAL DEPORTATION. AMERICA NEEDS TO BE TAKEN BACK BY WE THE PEOPLE. ANY POLITICIANS WHO STOOD IN OVATION FOR EL PRESIDENTE CALDERON YESTERDAY COMMITTED TREASON YESTERDAY IN MY EYES. YOU PLACED YOUR HAND ON THE BIBLE AND TOOK AN OATH TO UPHOLD AND PROTECT THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES. YOUR VOTE THIS NOVEMBER JUST MIGHT BE THE MOST VALUABLE OF ALL THE POSSESIONS YOU HOLD. GOD(OMG I SAID THE G WORD) BLESS AMERICA.

    • CJ

      Chucky, think you need to look into legal precedent. You can’t apply American law to other countries. Just because an American has a baby in another country, the citizenship of the child does not work in reverse if a foreigner has a baby in the US. The law of the country you are physically in applies. Study up, then get back with us.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        The law doesnt not read that. Did you not read above about what the 14th amendment says? It has been prostituted by the lawyers, but the intent they are using it for is not there. Now go read, and get back to us.

    • Another Voice

      And this is why Barack Obama would be an American citizen even if he had been born in Kenya. He would be a natural born citizen because his mother was an American citizen.

      • libertytrain

        You Better go back and read the Constitutional requirements to be president ——

  • American liberal

    Pete… Thanks…it’s just my opinin… Could it be wrong?.. You bet it could… But I’m thinking we have to apply the constitution as to our living condictions today…

    • CJ

      Here’s how you need to adjust your thinking. You don’t change the interpertation of the Constitution, you determine if the laws in place are acceptable under the Constitution, as ammended, then decide if other laws need to be written, constitutionally, to cover the new situation. It’s really that simple. Liberals just want to make it difficult.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        And just what the hell ever happened to common sense. You have the state of California overrun with these guys, bankrupt trying to take care of all them, sucking money out of other states via the Federal Government because of this, and Arizona attempting to stop them from sucking them dry. It is illegal, so what happened to the common sense that says if its illegal, its illegal, and send them back. No letting rotten arse lawyers prostitute what the 14th amendment says and reading it they way they want it to read. What the hell happened to common sense? Its about as stupid as wanting to sit down and talk with terrorists who have avowed to kill us, and will die trying to kill us. Yet we do that also. Amazing. And stupid.

      • tim

        CJ, I agree with your basic idea, but, the conservatives, especially lately, and on this Blog, want to return us to our “Tea Party” days………..and to the time of our Founding Fathers……………Too many things have changed and there have been too many advances to ignore the fact, that we have interpret the Constitution, as it applies to modern times………And your’e right, that could come in the form of amendments or whatever………

    • JohntheMick

      Give up the liberal label. Your group is never wrong. Are you in rehab ?

    • http://aol wayne a

      amer liberal love your spelling

  • http://none drotterman

    Why have Americans become so mean-spirited? What happened to our charity and compassion, something we were renowned for? Aren’t we all Earthlings first, Human Beings, second, and then Americans? Don’t we want to help those lesser than ourselves? What happened to the Brotherhood of Man? All I hear in this article and most of the replies is a bunch of greedy, bullies. I got mine and you’ll just have to suffer to get yours. What are we, a bunch of three year olds? It makes me embarrassed to call myself an American.

    • gary

      Drotterman I can help you with that one. We have been taken advantage and abused too many times and now we are tired of it and getting cranky.

    • Abisola

      when foreigners walk into our country and started telling us what to do with our laws. When did compassion turn into stupidity and collective national suicide?

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Being a kind person and a Christian, does not mean being a doormat and letting people walk all over you and wipe their feet on you. There are legal ways in place for all to come over here and enjoy life here, just as my ancestors did. If I ever say, want to move to Australia, and become a citizen there, I cant just sneak in, call it good, and expect them to take care of me. No, I need to go through channels, make it legal, and do what I am supposed to do to make it so. If people want to come here, and dont want to do it legally, just flood in, stomp out our culture and replace it with their culture, it is a one way ticket to destruction for this country. Im sorry you cannot see that. It right in front of you. It has nothing to do with being caring, kind, nice, Christian or anything. It has to do with being a criminal lawbreaker of this country’s laws, or being a law abiding citizen.

      • CurtisS

        Yeah, Beberoni, the REAL reason you can’t sneak into Australia is because it’s thousands of miles away in the middle of an ocean. How did you plan on sneaking onto an island? What a horrible analogy!
        The problem isn’t about skin color or culture, it’s about poverty. Don’t you remember reading about poverty in your Bible? Change the laws, change enforcement but racist whining and poor analogies are useless.

    • http://personalliberty.com RChick

      In case you haven’t noticed, there limited money with which to be “compassionate.” These issues were all but ignored when there was plenty of money being made. Now that out treasuries are depleted and the government spending hasn’t stopped, the average American is looking at where the money is going. Why should the American taxpayer be “compassionate” with money, goods, and services when many are struggling to maintain the same lifestyle being given to those here illegally? You should be proud of America because it is starting to open it eyes and be involved in what’s going on.

    • WeatherMike

      D-man — You prompted me to express— To those who read this — may your patience be rewarded with some new insights.

      Actually – not so much ‘greedy’ or ‘bullies’.
      What are you smoking re: ‘brotherhood of man’….have you counted the current number of wars with REAL bullets and killing, murder, rape, pillage that are occurring As We Speak? the closest one is in northern Mexico – where thousands of people are murdered each year in cities just south of El Paso, Tx, Nogales, Az, San Diego, CA, Brownsville, Tx, and many smaller border towns. The DRUG Cartels are ‘in control’ — or ‘living inside the Chaos that is running amok’.

      Do you use illegal drugs? Do you know someone who does? THEY are the root cause of the above identified instance of “non-brotherhood of man” because they FUND the illegal drug traffic.
      Next Example – comes Politicians who believe that Taking from Compliant Law-Abiding people is the right of the elected (but in their minds, elevated) elite. And re-distributing those ill-gotten gains based upon their collective whims, and the Loudest Lobby-ist Voices (read Money $$$$$ here). This is an example of Brotherhood — of the vilest kind — brotherhood of the elite, or an in-sider group. Vile – because they pad their own hide exceedingly, by making sure that some of their ill-gotten gain is directed their way – before and along side of the foolishness they put in place via government spending.
      Government is supposed to do a limited set of activities and duties: Not to include the VAST and Intrusive dictates upon human activity that federal government has become (globally too).
      There is a proverb that goes something like this, “He who rules himself well, needs not external rules [to guide him]“. The anti-corollary to this is obvious, “He who does not rule himself well, needs external rules [to guide him]“.
      There is one more Hegellian corollary to this, “New rules must be made which the well-ruled person must now comply with — because we [elites in control] can not have self-ruled and self-reliant people setting examples to the rest of the sheeple (that is sheep-people) that they can be self-ruled and self-reliant”.

      I suggest that your utopian ‘brotherhood of man’ is a non-plausible pipe dream Because, men who are without internal discipline, (e.g., such as people who illegally enter another country, and politicians who take an Oath of Office, but who pander to the highest bidders — not performing the will of the people who elected them, …) do not qualify for Or even Care to promote your ‘brotherhood of man’ world.

      Do you actually believe that the promoters of the 1965 change to US immigration which codified the birth of babies in this country as automatic citizens (based on the 14th amendment)- cared one whit for the baby or the family? No Way! Follow the MONEY. AND Understand the World Elite purpose to elliminate national sovereignty from the face of the Earth. Their express goal is a World population of ~500 million (not the current 6+ billion) and 10 global economic zones – Not nations. North America is one of those Zones – Not the US or Canada or Mexico (AKA The North American Union).

      So – to bring a union about — you NEED to break down the walls — AND ther is NO Better Way than to allow un-restricted immigration. The US is in the cross hairs of the “end to national sovereignty crowd”.
      Here’s a thought — if you have a family and you want to engineer a change 2 generations forward on the percentage of naturally born members of the family versus adopted, Do THis:
      1. abort 25% of the pregnancies
      2. replace the unborn aborted pregnancies with adopted children
      After 2 generations, what is the mix of natural born versus adopted.
      To make this easier make the family of 10 adults (5 Male, 5 Female).
      1 female past child bearing. 4 Females able to bear children. Allow 2 pregnancies per Female. Abort 1/4th –> only 6 natural born children.
      Replace the 2 aborted with 2 adopted.
      Family total: 10 + 6(3 male, 3 female) + 2(1 Male and 1 Female).
      Next Gen: 8 child bearing Adults (4 Male(one adopted) and 4 Female- one is adopted). These 8 get married but each adopted marries an adopted from another family — not a natural born.
      Results: 16 Adults (8 couples w/no intermarrying). Use same percentages: 25% of pregnancies aborted — but only of the Natural Born females. The adopted females do not abort their pregnancies.
      8 Females – 2 adopted and 6 Natural born: each have 2 pregnancies.
      4 child born to 2 adopted females; 6 Nat born females have 12 pregnancies and abort 1/4th = 3, results in 9 nat born children. Adopt 3 children to replace the missing 3 aborted.
      Here’s the demographics:
      2 original parents – dead
      8 orginal nat born Adult offspring and spouses +6 nat born + 2 adopted
      Plus spouses of the 2nd gen in same proportion of nat born and adopt – which is 6 nat born + 2 adopted
      And their children: 4 born to the adopted couples
      9 nat born to nat born couples
      3 new adopted child
      You can see how quickly the composition of the family has changed from all Natural born to 7 adopted and adopted born versus 9 nat born. That is almost 50-50. You Know what the next generation is going to look like – the adopted and child of adopted will out-number the natural born children.

      This is exactly what is happening in the US. This is not an accident. This is designed. How else could we have allowed the nearly 40 million illegals and children to run amok in this country – without the expected enforcement of the law of naturalization. Police were told to LOOK the OTHER WAY.

      The REALLY sad and BAD part of this design — is that its purpose is to CHANGE the US – to remove historical memory of who we are and why this country was founded. Illegals don’t know and don’t care. Children of illegals know all about La Raza and Cinco de Mayo — but nothing about the religious and politcal foundations and beliefs of the people who founded this country. These children were just dropped into this place — and are pampered with never having to really learn English (classes in Spanish), etc., etc., etc., etc. But We have to read labels in English and Spanish on everything. That REALLY steams me.

      Back to the point: The walls of natural boundaries have just about crumbled. The End-Game of the Elites to eliminate national sovereignty is now being played out. The Elites and politicains don’t believe that the 70% of people who support Arizona will really STAND UP and do anything about it. AND They are SCREAMING to STOP Arizona. The GOAL of the North American Union is just around the corner. There will emerge a Mexico-US-Canada triad which will become one-economic zone — because the destruction of the dollar will require a new currency and we will be too poor to say or do anything about it. Besides — illegals have every thing to gain and nothing to lose – they are ready for it. Amnesty will ensure it.

      REALLY VILE TRUTH: Collateral damage (death of millions) is OK with the World Elite – especially those pesky US citizens who keep holding onto their ideals about self-rule and governance and God too. Afterall, their (World Elite) stated goal is less than a billion people on the planet — which means some 5+ billion are planned for elimination. (Check out the Club of Rome and follow the threads, all the way to the Georgia Guide Stones).

      REALLY COOL TRUTH: Notice to the Elites: Man is haughty and prideful and actually believes he is in control (you). But there is a different reality – one of hope and justness – and a power greater than mere man waving his fist defiantly in the air. Read the Bible as history – and verify versus archeology and museums around the world of the accuracy of the text. Then consider who the author really is and the warnings expressed (ref. Psalm 1 and Romans 1 in the Bible). Then consider that your lives are almost over and eternity is a LONG time to sit in any hell-jail versus an alternative of being free. “Make your choice wisely, Dr. Jones” (ahem..from Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade).

      Last thought D-man:
      I suppose that if you are embarrassed to be a US citizen, then you are thin-skinned, weak (without convictions)and have believed CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC and OOhhbama — you are a perfect pawn in the Elite’s game — stay through the pain and become a member of the NAU (north american union), at which time you will not be embarassed by the ‘former’ US – if that actually happens. Or throw off your shackles and stand-up for your children and grandchildren – and tell the elite – No, I want to live in freedom, not tyranny and fear.

    • tim

      Drotterman, you are exactly right…….it’s a …ME ME ME, America, that I see now………

      Thank God, there are alot of compassionate Americans who want to help, the lesser of them………

      Or, in the Conservative vernacular………..WELFARE………….

    • http://aol wayne a

      drotterman,do live in a fairy tale? what part of illegal don’t you understand?we have 20 million,illegal,undocumented people that crossed our borders illegally which makes them criminals.they use our schools,our hospitals.our welfare sys.,our er’s,our liberies,free because most don’t pay taxes.they’re mex uneducated,poor,unskilled people whom contributes significantly to our crime rate,they’re unlicensend,uninsured so they contribute to our rising insurance rates……. so we’re suppose to welcome the illegal hispanics with open arms? BS!

    • Angel

      When a law is imposed and an American is FORCED to have to pay for things for others that need…it ceases to be charity. Charity comes from the heart and is done as an act of love…you do it because you WANT to…not because you are FORCED to!

  • American liberal

    I’m not saying anyone that believes the constitution should be taken exactly as written is bad or evil or stupid … I’m saying I disagree…that’s all…

  • CTAZCRY

    everything that comes out of obamas mouth is a LIE……he is a muslim thug from chicago. he trained in terrorist training camp in the 80′s…… the initiation process in the taliban is beheading.
    do all you bimbo’s really think he is doing something great for this country?? he is disarming our defenses in hopes that we get attacked.
    are you really that blind?? we will take our country back from obama, pelosi, reid and the illegals one way or the other.
    have a curious day !

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Why do you think 9-11 happened? Bill Clinton cut our military in half and our intelligence agencies in thirds, and these guys walked in, set up shop, and started blowing things up right and left, and he did nothing about it. This guy is doing the same thing. He is trying to give the military a bad name and chase future enlistee’s away. He is dis-arming our nuclear defenses, and destroying many armaments, while not properly restocking those we have used. Pacifist appeasers are very dangerous people to have running your country. Pacifism has lost everytime it has been practiced. That is why we have this huge illegal alien and muslim problem, because for years all in power have pacified and appeased them. Now look what we have reaped from it.

      • http://aol wayne a

        beberoni,this came from bin ladan himself,he was being interviewed by cnn and he said the reason they attacked the trade center again was because of lack Americas response after the first attack in the world trade centers basement,parking garage.clinton bombed some empty tents that was once being used by terr.he said this made America look like they were weak.

      • Mick for thought

        I will get called liberal again for this one —– 9/11 happened because the Bush administration went on vacation for most of the time between the inauguration and 9/11. The intel they had in-hand was ignored rather than further investigated. As to the current administrations policy for the armed forces please read the cut-and-paste below and note this does not include the money saved by dumping the costly and strategically worthless F22 program.

        The QDR examines DOD strategies and priorities. It assesses the threats and challenges that the nation faces and re-balances DOD’s strategies, capabilities, and forces to ensure the U.S. military has the flexibility to address today’s conflicts and tomorrow’s threats. The BMDR evaluates the ballistic missile threat to the U.S. and its allies and articulates policy. It determines the appropriate role of ballistic missile defense in the country’s national security and military strategies.

        “The fiscal 2011 budget request builds on the reforms begun in last year’s defense budget,” said Defense Secretary Robert Gates. “These substantial changes to allocate defense dollars more wisely and reform the department’s processes were broadened and deepened by the analysis and conclusions contained in the Quadrennial Defense Review.”

        The fiscal 2011 base budget request represents an increase of $18 billion over the $531 billion enacted for fiscal 2010. This is an increase of 3.4 percent, or 1.8 percent real growth after adjusting for inflation. The DOD needs modest real growth to maintain, train, and equip the forces that sustain our wartime efforts.

        The fiscal 2011 OCO request will provide additional resources needed to sustain U.S. forces in Operation Enduring Freedom – in Afghanistan and elsewhere – and Operation Iraqi Freedom. Included are funds for pay and benefits, logistics and other support, force protection, continuing efforts to counteract improvised explosive devices, as well as funding to fully support the buildup in Afghanistan and to carry out a responsible draw-down in Iraq.

        “The choices made and priorities set in these budget requests and strategic defense reviews reflect America’s commitment to succeed in the wars we are in while making the investments necessary to prepare for threats on or beyond the horizon,” said Gates.

        Also accompanying the 2011 budget proposal is a fiscal 2010 supplemental request of $33 billion to support the added costs of the President’s new strategy in Afghanistan and strengthen U.S. force levels with approximately 30,000 additional troops.

        “To make sure we have the resources needed to support our troops deploying to the Afghanistan theater, I will be asking the Congress to enact the supplemental by spring 2010,” said Gates.

  • Teri L

    The 14th amendment along with every other one passed and enacted after it are not part of our constitution. With the Act of 1871, congress unlawfully allowed the central government to incorporate and create another constitution. We have not been governed under our rightful constitution since 1871. The defacto constitution is always referred to as “The Constitution OF The United States”. What a difference one little word can make. Our true constitution is, “The Constitution FOR the United States of America”. American Liberal is right only in the sense that the defacto constitution is in fact a living document, changed, twisted and interpreted at will but our original and genuine constitution is not.

    Our federal government operating under the corporation United States has no jurisdiction outside the boundaries of Washington D.C. except by our consent. They have no jurisdiction over the individual Republics (states), only over territories such as Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands,etc. Our federal government is not our government but simply a corporation. You cannot be a citizen of a corporation so every time you check the box on a credit application “are you a US Citizen”, you are committing fraud unless you live in D.C. However by checking that box you are consenting to being governed by the corporation and a host of other fraudulent actions like trading you and your children on the open market which you agreed to by accepting the birth certificate. There is no disclosure on that application which informs you of this.

    The truth of the greatest scam ever pulled on a nation is only beginning to surface on a wide scale as people wake up to the reality of the blatant corruption in Washington. We have sections of the population outraged that we could have a president not born in this country for instance. Well, guess what, he isn’t our president, he is nothing more than the current CEO of the corporation and there are no rules as to who can be that CEO.

    When George W. Bush stated that the constitution is nothing but a GD piece of paper, he was not kidding. He was actually smearing it in the faces of the American public that government has not honored or used that document since 1871.

    Citizens across the nation are outraged by the obvious fact that their voices are not being heard much less adhered to, screaming you can’t do that, it’s unconstitutional every time an illegal action is taken in Washington. They are right IF the federal government was operating under our true constitution but they are not.

    On a side note; according to records from the Arizona corrections department, 20% of all illegals arrested and detained there are what they refer to as OTM’s, other than Mexican. They are in fact from countries controlled by radical Islam. They go to South America, learn to speak Spanish and blend in with the Mexicans entering the country illegally. So if 20% of ALL arrested individuals are OTM’s, how many do you think are living among us as part of the millions of Hispanics in this country illegally?

    • http://aol wayne a

      teri l,george bush said what? i would love to see the direct quote word for word because i don’t believe it.lets see the proof!

      • Teri L

        there are many links to it on this page

        http://www.google.com/search?q=George+W.+Bush+the+constitution+is+nothing+but+a+god+damned+peice+of+paper&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

        That was a widely known and much publicized statement. Of course the left attempted to crucify for him for it but the truth is folks, party does not matter anymore when your government is operating as an illegal corporation using a constitution which is not the one our founders wrote and our entire country and judicial system is not the “Common Law of the Land” our country was founded on but “Maritime Law”. This is obvious when you see the gold braid on the American Flags in government bldgs, court rooms etc. The gold braid signifies Maritime Law.

        Both Bushes and the Clinton’s have been pushing and preparing the final end game move to One World Government, New World Order, Redistribution of Wealth or in Obama’s words, A Fundamental Transformation of America.

        We have not had a president of the United States of America since the formal forming of the corporation in 1871 (actually started in 1868). For 139 years we have been lied to in plain sight.

      • Smilee

        wayne a

        She has no proof as non exists!! She is a weird confused phony

        • JeffH

          yada yada yada

    • Angel

      Oh my gersh how right you are…even this…

      However by checking that box you are consenting to being governed by the corporation and a host of other fraudulent actions like trading you and your children on the open market which you agreed to by accepting the birth certificate. There is no disclosure on that application which informs you of this.
      A friend of mine just emailed me last night with this…

      Look into UCC and common law
      We were sold into slavery Unknowingly of course, to “their system” at birth with our so-called Birth certificates.

      There is so much going on that people don’t know about. We have been duped big time. It matters not whether one is Democratic or Republican, or conservative…they are all controlled by the same elite. The ones who are liberal progressives…agree with the elitists, that is the only difference. They WANT communism and a New World Order!

  • Pete

    American liberal says:
    May 21, 2010 at 6:42 am
    Pete… Thanks…it’s just my opinin… Could it be wrong?.. You bet it could… But I’m thinking we have to apply the constitution as to our living condictions today…
    ———————-
    That’s why I like to “read” most of the comments on here instead of posting comments about things I’m not really up to speed on. I learn alot by taking in all opinions and learn from them.
    Thanks for the civil discussion.

  • Tone88

    I’m still amazed at not just the ignorance of liberals posting here, but how often… Get a job! As for their suddden affection for the Constitution’s 14th ammendment – you are all missing the point: for citizenship by birth or naturalization to be valid you have to be SUBJECT TO US JURISDICTION… which means your parents cannot be illegal citizens, i.e, subject to another country’s jurisdiction. I keep a copy of this great document constantly in reach – you liberals need to read it occasionally vice spewing CNBC socialist talking points…

  • Amishman44

    I’m not quite sure what everyone is upset about…the leftist, liberal-socialistic minded government ‘leaders’ that we currently have are so obvious about their neglect for following the law that it’s disrespectful to the American people (ie, the true ‘boss’ of this country.)

    I was very disappointed at President Bush’s involvement in the first bailout package, which was simply a way to ‘maintain status’ until Mr. ‘O’ could take over, instead of addressing the problems directly.

    Illegal immigrants are coming from several different countries, however, the problem with them is that they do NOT want to become a true American (shed their old country and it’s way of thinking and become an American…which is a country of blended nationalities.) If an illegal wishes to become an American, he/she should be able to a) speak English, b) give up their old country and its ways and pick up the American Flag and be proud of that! c) if they don’t already have a (verified) job, they should have to serve in the military (following and obeying orders) overseas and, upon their return, be granted US Citizenship!

    If not…then send them back. With our current economy, we cannot afford to take care of ourselves…much less illegals who are milking the system, ruining the greatest country in the world.

    Q: Why is the Obama administration upset at the ‘Arizona law?’ The People’s Republic of Kalefornia has a law that is almost an exact replica of the Arizona law already on it’s books? Why aren’t they upset with Kalefornia as well?

    • john

      The State of Kalifornication hasn’t threatened to uphold the law. That is why.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      The democrats are careful not to take an anti illegal immigrant stand, and it is two fold. One, they desperately want and need the hispanic vote, legal and illegal, and they will do anything to get it. Two, they are un-American and dont care, as they only care about their own power, and make no qualms about who they use to get it, and minority groups fall for this.

  • American liberal

    Pete… True… I think as soon as ost conservative see my screen name their mind goes straight to ” enemy”… On this Case I think most of us agree that people have been coming here and abusing our kindness… This has to stop…. We can’t afford to just give it all away…. They have to contribute just like we do…my way of thinking, living and being a progressive can’t survive if we don’t enforce the immigration laws… I want all these people to add to our society ,, not subtract from it

    • CJ

      So, I figure you’re starting to see that progressive ideals are self distructive? If you take out the element of human greed, your process might work. Utopically, Marxism works. But we’re human, and will never sustain a utopia, mostly because of human greed. So we have to find an alternative that works, and we’re discovering liberalism and progressive ideals can not be sustained.

  • Abisola

    It is good to hear you all bellyaching; but how many of you would be willing to stand in line to hours in the rain to cast you votes. We’ve become fat and lazy and the politicians know it. It is amazing to me how uninformed so many people are. You hate it so much get together with like minded individuals informed your friends of what is truly going on and drag them to the polls.
    We are a sovereign nation and we should assert our sovereignty, if we lose this fight and allow the propagandist to win, we’ve lost our country.

    GOD BLESS YOU ALL AND GOD BLESS THE UNITED STATES.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Thats right, and the left wing liberals know how to mobilize their voting base, and think nothing of going into the hispanic neighborhoods, and giving them 25 bucks each to come out and vote for them. Think this doesnt happen? Then your crazy. It happens all the time. While millions sit home on their lazy content duffs, they let the liberals pull this kind of baloney, by not exercising their rights to vote. If you dont vote, dont bitch, because you have no right to.

  • James

    The Fourteenth Amendment, Section 1 reads in part: “All persons born…in the United States…are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.” As the article stated, this was never intended to apply to illegal aliens, it primarily applied to the just freed slaves (by the Thirteenth Amendment). However, there was a significant faction of America that opposed that, and provisions were made to return the slaves to their native Africa.

    • gary

      If that is true then why are there so many blacks here today? Damn they must breed like rats!

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        The black birth rate and the hispanic birth rates outweigh the white birth rates by 4 to 1 and 3 to 1. Whites will be a minority by 2030 I believe, and I will guarantee you that they will not get minority status to help them get jobs, or be minority contractor that gets special priveleges, or affirmative action, or none of that. All these things the leaders of today have done to help minorities, I will guarantee you, will not be returned to the white man when he become the minority. It is then, that we will find out who the real racist in the world are, and its not going to be pretty.

        • DaveNDak

          The highest birthrate of them all? Muslims. If things don’t change, your grandsons are gonna bend towards Mecca five times a day and your granddaughters? Well, they’ll be covered head to toe and treated like chattel… beaten, raped and stripped of their rights.

      • James

        Gary,The repatriation of Blacks to Niger, Africa, encouraged by the U.S. paying the bill, was taken advantage of by a few Blacks, but the majority chose to stay here. This tends to illustrate that most Black slaves were not mistreated as we have been led to believe. Our president at that time made at least two trips over to Niger, to see how they were doing. Let’s remember that most slaves here were captured by their fellow blacks, who sold them into slavery – not a good incentive to return there.

        • JeffH

          James, thanks for bringing that to light.

        • Mick for thought

          That was a tough choice. Get sent back to the country your ancestors came from or live free in the country you know.

          Offer to relocate me in Scotland and I will stay here. Who wants to go back to the land of our ancestors to live.

          We are here in America by choice and when given the choice the free descendants of slaves chose to stay here.

          Your conclusions are based upon supposition.

          What would you have done?

  • cella

    Bob Livingston is the modern day Jim Jones. Keep drinking his Kool-Aid.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      And you are the modern day Nero, so keep playing your fiddle while Rome burns.

    • Shelodn

      Ugg… in the battle of empty cliches… Cella serves-up an easy lob and Beberoni returns it! The referee awards NO POINTS! Reserve. No, better yet, just stop playing the game.

  • American liberal

    Federal law superceds State law…. And the constitution superceeds federal law…..I believe thats pecking order…?

    • Teri L

      The true “pecking order” of our true constitution is as follows;

      God supersedes above the people, the people supersede above the Republics (states), the Republics supersede above the federal government. The defacto government in place since 1871 would have you believe the reverse. Not so.

      • Shelodn

        SO Teri… using your childish logic, does that mean the Bible supersedes the Constitution?

        • Teri L

          Of course not, that’s not what I said. From the second paragraph of the Declaration of Independence…

          “We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness…….”

          These are the principles the constitution was written on. The 56 signers were not all of the same religion. They were however all spiritual men who did believe most highly in God. Christianity and the bible do not have a patent on God. The document was however written based on Christian principles in that the founders agreed to a man that it is the Creator and only the Creator which can bestow Rights, not government. They put the people supreme below God and instituted a government for each Republic to secure, defend and protect those Rights. Thus the hierarchy of our government began with God first, then the people, then the Republics and finally with the signing of the Constitution FOR the United States of America they created a central government with very limited powers at the bottom of the totem pole, not the top.

          This is exactly why the government both federal and state are the employees of the people not the other way round according to our true constitution.

          Google the Act of 1871 and if that doesn’t make you sick, try researching the Oregon Treaty of 1868 and the fact that by lies and collusion, the Queen of England, until about two months ago, had a power of attorney over us.

          • Mick for thought

            The Declaration of Independence was a letter to the tyrant King of England notifying him we are dissolving our ties and denying his authority to rule us.

            The Constitution is the law our country. The first part was mostly about property and contracts. The Bill of Rights are the laws that protect us as a people and where the 14Th amendment we are discussing comes from.

          • Smilee

            Mick

            Teri has a real weird and inaccurate take on both the DOI and the Constitution, she gets her facts from the far right propaganda sites that she frequently references and I think she actually believes that crap. It sad she cannot open her mind and seek out the truth. Don’t be surprised that she will not believe you, I do not think her capable of recognizing the truth

          • JeffH

            OMG, SMILEE has arrived from the depths of hades! You’ve started off well I see.

          • Smilee

            My Tag tail is back!!

      • Mick for thought

        Are you defining yourself as a religious antigovernment far right wing individual or as a conservative. Your coments would suggest the former.

    • http://GOGGLE vaksal

      TO AMERICAN LIBERAL QUESTION? I WAS INFORMED BY A YOUNG MEXICAN MAN THAT LIVES NEXT DOOR TO ME ,AND HE IS A LEAGLE CITIZEN OF THIS NATION ,NATURALIIZED CITIZEN,IN THE TALK WE HAD HE INFORMED ME HE WAS STILL A CITIZEN OF MEXICO AS WERE HIS AMERICAN BORN CHILDERN,SO I ASK HOW CAN A PERSON HAVE TWO CITIZENSHIPS? WHICH ONE WILL HE PROTECT IF THEY GO TO WAR? AND I AM CONFUSED,THIS YOUNG MAN AND HIS FAMILY ARE REALLY GREAT FOLKS.BUT IT WORRIES ME.FOR IN TOWN THEIR ARE SEVERAL MEXICAN STREET GANGS AND THEY ARE BAD BAD NEWS.AND I DONT WANT TO NOT LIKE THESE FOLKS,BUT ONE SIDE OF ME SAYS DONT LIKE THESE FOLKS AND THE OTHER SIDE SAYS THEY ARE A GOOD BUNCH,AND THE SAD THING IS LAW ENFORCEMENT HAS DONE JACK ABOUT THESE GANG THUGS IN THE TOWN.I WAS TOLD BY AN OFFCIER,HIS HANDS ARE TIED.WHAT A MESS.WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT YOU THINK,FROM YOUR LIBERAL TRAIN OF THOUGHT.PLEASE REPLY.

      • http://Don'thaveone Sally

        Yes you can be a citizen of Mexico and a citizen of USA. Many countries accept dual citizenships even tri citizenships. In some cases it can save a person when one country gets stupid they can renouce that citizenship and use the otherone.

    • James

      American liberal, Federal law supercedes state law, only if such federal law was enacted pusuant to the powers that were delegated to it in Article, Section 1. Let’s remember, the states created the federal government, and only delegated certain powers to it. The Bill of Rights was added to assure the states that Congress would make no laws respecting rights.

    • James

      American liberal, Correction, the laws delegated to the federal government are in Article I, Section 8. Sorry.

      • Smilee

        James

        Section 8 also enumerates the powers that Congress has that supersedes state laws,

  • jtrailroad

    under hr 1940 an anchor baby is born to a United States citizen over the age of 21 yeatrs old. lets pass hr1940

  • Rev. Jimmie Lee Robins

    Forgive my spelling when I get heated up over some of the comments that some people make in support of Obama. I recognize everyones right to free speech and their right to express themselves, but one can not forgive those that refuse to learn or grow intellectually, with the amount information that is provided by the internet and other sources. By now they should be able to disern that Obama has a very personal agenda that he slowly implimenting. That agend is to bring America to her knees and convert it into an Islamic puppet of a third world country.

    • James

      Rev. Robins, I agree but I would change your “slowly implimenting” to “rapidly implementing.”

  • Richard

    I say get rid of the parasitic social entitlements and reduce gov blood sucking (taxes). It’s like saying left crap tasted worst than right crap. I noticed people get caught up on party crap and they forget that they are both crap. Those same people go to Walmart to buy Cheese made goods and betray their own country to get the best prices or hire Mexican roofers or landscapers. We should be honest with ourselves. A long time ago it was the Irish immigrants, now it’s Mexicans etc. Are we bigots, No, NO.. really?
    We have plenty of local parasites in our mist. At least most fresh immigrants are willing to work hard before they become fat and lazy. We have a fat lazy entitlement based society. I am paying plenty of taxes for the lazy ones that can work but choose not to and get gov milk, bread and truly free healthcare. Then they use their free cash to buy liquor and cigarets. Hell, we are paying for that and most of them are not Mexicans, it’s fat & deceptive white, black, brown US guys and gals. I don’t want to work for parasites whether it’s gov parasites, white, black or brown.
    If they suck from the gov tits and don’t honestly look for ANY job they are parasites.
    Anyway, the problem is the incentives we give them here but stay tuned! One day we will be like a third world country and then less will come here, you know, less incentives. Look at our economy, why is it falling? The immigrants didn’t make expensive wars or a deceptive fractional money system controlled by greedy private parties. Someone else scammed us but, we are too caught up eating and throwing crap to notice it. Mmmm, yummy, right crap tastes better than left crap my replblichristian mommy told me. jajaja
    We all need to wake up take the red pill!!!

    I am just a global citizen of the coming global government. Just kidding…
    By they way, our constitution is in the way of globalism, maybe we can just re-interpret it.. and say it’s intact? Yeah, like how people do bible stuff and that’s how we get thousands of denominations out of the same readings.
    Most churches are gov approved corporations with a 501C3 tax stamp but we have some real independent choice right?
    Ok, back to eating alfalfa, it’s better than the brown smelly stuff..

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      You can call both parties the same if you like, and both do have problems, but there is one of them in particular, and I will not have to mention it, yet somehow everyone reading these posts will know which one Im talking about, and doesnt that say a lot about them, but there is one party, that all these lazy people that dont work, that sit around drinking alcohol and smoking pot and cigarettes all day vote for. Yes, there is one party that loves to give handouts with all their social programs that they grow and grow, and it enables people to live off of government handouts. And all these lazy bums that dont work vote for them election after election. And we all know what party that is now, dont we?

  • American liberal

    James… The Grey area is” all people”… We need to add something in immigration reform that makes it clear that it doesn’t mean All… This is where our discussion is… I’m leaning on the direction that using a child just to get citizenship is a form of child abuse… This isn’t a reason for having a child… The child has the right not to be used like as a get in free card..

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      That is exactly what many do. They get right to that time the child is due, sneak in here and have the child, and poof, they are in like flint. And yes it is using that child, no doubt about it. It is wrong, and it is shameful, and our government should not tolerate it or enable to happen like they are doing. Instead, they give them money and food and health care and reward it. Its sick.

    • James

      American liberal, The amendment says: “All persons” and as long as it reads that way, the U.S. Supreme Court is bound by it. If it were to read “All persons born, of citizens of the United States,…” that would change how they rule on it.

  • Raymie

    these people cluck about our freedoms but look at there comments policy…if I have something to say…because you don’t like you could call it racist or slanderous…what about FREEDOM of SPEECH…I guess that only applies when you want it too…not constantly…take your freeish thoughts and shove them…Personal Liberty my White A*%…If I am not free to say and think how I want you don’t stand for Personal Liberty.

    • gary

      You nailed that one dead on!

    • James

      Raymie, It’s an historical fact that non-whites were never intended to be citizens here, and those that were here, were never treated as citizens. It was, back then, a criminal offense for a white to marry a black. However, if you advocate that now, you’ll probably be arrested, or worse.

    • Angel

      I believe…notice I said…”I believe” that with rights come responsibilities. One has freedom of speech yes, but with that comes the responsibility of using that speech responsibly…such as no vulgarity in the presence of children and ladies. Freedom of dress…but c’mon, for the sake of the raging hormonal teenagers, men, and children who should not be exposed to such things, morality should be used. We can have our rights. but remember, let us not infringe of the rights of others either!

  • American liberal

    If your just using this subject to trash Obama your part of the problem…. This immigration problem didn’t start 18 months ago….. It’s been decades…and were all at fault…. that’s my problem with this article… It just keeps the blame circle going ….we can have real reform or we can call eachother names and still have the same problem in the end….and there are plenty of people on both sides that would be very happy for us to just keep the name calling going…

    • john

      Spoken like a true kollectivist.

    • David

      “There are sinister & malignant influences behind this ‘groomed’ fraud we have as a President. No one can be this flagrantly incompetent on a continual basis & manage to get their ass elected as President of the United States without help.And not the kind of help or support you credit your wife or mom with for making it all possible at an awards ceremony either.There are faces in the shadows.Wheels within wheels.As conspiratorial as it may seem, sometimes truth IS stranger than fiction.And there’s plenty that’s awful damn strange about this doofus we have for a President.

      • Angel

        You have hit the nail on the proverbial head. It is called the shadow government, secret society, the Illuminati, the people who own the Federal Reserve, the elite, the 13 richest people in the world. They run the show in every government of the world. This is how it all fits. Pieces of a puzzle, to make the big picture!

    • http://aol wayne a

      amer. lib,how in the hell can we not trash obama when he is proposing to give 20 million illegal parasites amnesty?

      • James

        Wayne a, I think the best answer to your question is: because trashing President Obama doesn’t change anything or solve any problems. He knows America doesn’t like what he is doing, he probably knew that before he was elected. Barring a civil war, the only thing that will change what Congress is doing is, first, write to your congressmen and tell them what you want them to do, and, if that fails, vote them out of office.

  • http://None Bob Nichols

    There is a big difference between the “Constitution”, as originally written and ratified, and the Amendments. The latter can be done by a single Legislature, House and Senate, and approved by states who maybe never even read it…like our present legislature and Administration. I think you can change an amendment without a great deal of contention but you would have a rough time getting a change made to the wording of the ORIGINAL document.

    It is very interesting that I have a college degree with a Minor in History and I never heard of the ‘illegality’ question regarding either of the amendments under discussion. I also had American History in High School. Unfortunately they do not teach any history or civics any more.. Do you even know what Civics means? It was a course in HOW THE GOVERNMENT is organized and how it was designed to operate. Most of the last two generations do not know the first thing about Civics OR the Constitution.

    BTW, re the “living” Constitution: That is silly, dumb, stupid.
    When you write a document of that magnitude, which has not been done since ours was written, it is NOT designed to be changed by every whim. It must be interpreted by what was said based upon the known intent of the original writers. If it is a “living” document every time the party changes in Washington we could have a new ‘constitution’…now, THAT is STUPID!
    All this is a waste of time because the opinion of no one will be changed by it…We have all been brainwashed by the liberal, socialist, education system.

    • Teri L

      How right you are! The Restoration of America is underway even though we don’t see blinding evidence just yet, we will shortly. When that has been accomplished I plan to establish a non-profit Restoration Center in my town dedicated to the education of the people with one central theme, “The Concept of Personal Responsibility”. We now have literally millions of people who are addicted to entitlements, believe the progressive hogwash that health care, food, housing and even vacations are a right.

      We are born with GOD given rights to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of happiness. Those rights are not guarantees. We are born equal in this country by the sheer declaration of such by our constitution. What we do with our lives from that point on is completely up to us.

      There was a time when responsibility, moral behavior and goals were taught in our schools. The moment that stopped our demise as a society began and our country began slipping out from under us.

      We now have at least two generations of spoiled, lazy, disrespectful brats expecting the moon for the price of a grain of sand and are outraged and indignant when they don’t get it.

      • Angel

        So wonderfully said…GREAT post!

    • James

      Bob Nichols, The original constitution did not say that women did not have the right to vote, that was just a common practice then. The XV Amendment thus didn’t change the U.S. Constitution, it created a right that didn’t before exist. The XVI Amendment did change the federal taxing power (Art. I, Sec. 9 Cl. 4), the amendment now allows Congress to lay a direct tax on incomes, “without apportionment among the several States.” And the Bill of Rights didn’t add those rights, they pre-existed. The Bill of Rights just reminded Congress that that area was off limits to them, so they didn’t change the original constitution either.

      • Sunshine

        James – go read the IRS’s definition of “income”. The 16th was an attempt, but ultimately did NOT change anything.

  • http://www.evergreenfarms.org Fred Howard

    Chip – The biggest threat to world peace and the very existence of the USA and other Free World Nations is Islam, just as it was during WW II. The sooner Patriotic North Americans from Alaska to Panama realize that , stop fighting one another, and mount a concerted, coordinated, and cooperative effort to take a stand against Islam’s quest for World Domination the quicker we, the Trio of Nations consisting of Canada, Mexico and the USA will stop Islamic aggression. Unfortunately we, the USA, now have a President (illegal according to our Constitution) who is one of them and in Mexico, the Government is corrupted by Drug Cartels and any number of other factions driven by Greed, Power and a whole list of crimes against humanity. Unless those of us who have wisdom, insight, intelligence, position, and willpower (GUTS) to take a stand to do something about Man’s State of Affairs on Earth, we will soon perish.

    Chip, tell me again about our 14th Amendment Rights. By the way, Islam has already invaded our land, it’s just a matter of time till Sharia Law becomes the Law of the (our) Land and our Constitution becomes a worthless piece of paper. Think this might take more than a Tea Party to inspire a course change? I’m Game!

    • Diamond Dave

      Well Fred pick up your gun and start huntin’ Muzlims.
      The majority of good Muslims just like good Christians and good Jews and good Bahai faithers and good atheists are peaceful people trying to raise families, make a living and pursue their American dream. A few sad, sick individuals go out and wage war on America and the world through terrorism and violence. That includes the Pakistan failure this month and it includes the abortionist shooter and it includes gay bashing thugs and it includes Arizona and it’s draconian ANTI-AMERICAN and will just make the state look stupid and ineffective. I have to bet a million dollars with anyone on here that of the 10′s of thousands of Canadians living in Arizona – you know the white, smiling, middle-class, looks-just-like the rednecks in Arizona and on this site – that NONE OF THEM will ever face a document check. It will only be Latinos and other people of color. The greatest threat to the American Way of Life are people like many on here who would ascribe to Zero Immigration, immigration by faith and color and many other regressive and stupid concepts.

      • JeffH

        Diamond Dave says:
        May 21, 2010 at 9:34 am
        Well Fred pick up your gun and start huntin’ Muzlims.

        1. it would be much easier to take out the liberals first…theyre identified by the yellow stripe running down their backs
        2. Your a typical liberal racist and hater!
        3. Are you somehow related to timr?

      • del

        what’s wrong with zero immigration? We have enough people in this country as it is! 300 million and counting. Where will we be in 50 years?

      • Angel

        I am an Arizonan. I see what goes on here. I am a 4th generation American. My great grand father ASSIMILATED. They waited in line and came here LEGALLY! We are NOT against immigration…we want it to be LEGAL> What part of that is incomprehensible to you? Let me rephrase that hoping you will understand. What part of that is hard to understand?

    • DaveNDak

      I’m with you! The sooner we stand-up to the Muslim Menace the better. One final Crusade… for freedom and liberty and to make sure my daughter grows-up to be free (not wrapped in a burqa and owned by a husband).

  • gary

    I may be wrong but I think the constitution gives states the right to defend themselves and it also gives us the right to oust a government that is not working for us.
    Here we are and we now have a government that is not working for us or truly protecting us.
    I truly believe it needs to be replaced by a government that abides by the constitution and listens to what Americans want.

  • JR

    I happen to have a grandson whose father is from Lebanon. It’s to long a story to tell here, but, yes, his father was able to become a citizen.

    Think of a young, small town American girl as Dorothy from the Wizard of Oz. She has never traveled much, she is young, she is becoming a woman and here comes the Wizard of passion and deceit. Once he gets into her head, there is nothing under the sun that can come between them. Not Mom, not Dad, not common sense.

    Think of him as someone who has a huge team of assistants helping him select the right target (maybe your own daughter). They will be one step ahead of you in everything that comes up, including and especially a sharp, high priced attorney to help him in any thing he may need legally.

    Maybe you try to report to the INS that he came to America on a student visa, that he got some kind of associates degree and has not in the last 5 years set foot in a classroom. You go on the internet looking for a way to do that and all you find is thousands and thousands of web pages designed to help illegals stay in America. It gives you the impression that the INS is on his side and you are wasting your time.

    Eventually, he gains that citizenship and also eventually, by the way he treats her after he has pulled some sneaky trick to make her legally his ‘common law’ wife, she wises up and leaves him. She may get child custody and he will pay 150 dollars a month child support.

    She spends the rest of her life wondering if some day he is going to try and take her son from her. She knows she cannot afford the kind of attorney he can and never will be able to.

    By the way, the sexual age of consent in most states is 16 (two states have it at 14 and one, if she is not a virgin places it at 12 years old … you have to wonder, how does a 12 year old girl get to NOT be a virgin, but that is the law in Mississippi, unless it has changed in recent years) Your daughter is not old enough to drink, smoke, vote, enter into a contract or move out of your house on her own, but she can decide who to have sex with and there isn’t a damn thing mom and dad can do about it)

    I discovered that my country is being invaded through our virgin daughters, and our legal system is on the side of the invaders.

    Having said all that, my grandson is the greatest kid in the world. Though like all children he can be selfish at times, he is also the most considerate and well behaved child I have ever known (he is not being raised by his father who sees him only once in a while)

    The irony is that it is said “like father, like son”. In this case, if it could be the other way around, “like son, like father” then his father and I could have remained the friends we became before he set his sights on my daughter.

    • Diamond Dave

      JR Lebabnon has 3++ million people – so I am guessing your daughter would have exercised the same level of morality and stupidity that you taught her if she had been hit on by some slick guy from Chicago or Boston or LA? Raise her child better than you raised her – he might be an asset to the country rather than a single-mom receptical like your little Susie Creamcheese

      • http://busterhomes@hotmail.com Frank S. Wood

        Your reply is absolutely discusting, and without compassion. Shame on you.

      • http://aol wayne a

        diamond dave,how long did it take you to come up with that bunch of @#@##$? theres one thing i do know,theres a huge flaw in this diamond!

      • JR

        I’ll just bet you are one proud cock of the walk, aren’t you? It amazes me how many people these days think being rude, inconsiderate, insulting and that blatant demonstrations of their gross moral stupidity are all a virtue.

        I’ll tell you what: My 7 year old Lebanese grandson is already a better, more decent man than you will ever be. Kind of makes me wonder who raised you? Maybe you’re just a two legged weed that just happened to sprout up in the world, huh?

        • libertytrain

          Good reply – to the unfair, gauche attack by an uncouth person. My best to you.

        • Angel

          I am a day late posting on here…but I wrote a post further up on the responsibilities that come with freedoms. One of them is not to infringe on the rights and freedoms of others while exercising your own rights and freedoms. The big mister DD has not learned that concept. His mind is underdeveloped and cannot conceive the idea of what it means to use intelligence and being uncouth is all he knows!He IS ignorant after all!

      • usainshambles

        DIAMONDDAVE< SOME DAMN DIAMOND YOU ARE!!!! ARE YOU SERIOUS, YOU MUST BE SOME KIND OF AL QUIEDA LOVING FREAK. THIS MAN TRIED TO SAVE HIS DAUGHTER FROM SOMEONE WHO COULD POTENTIALLY CAUSE THE FAMILY A SERIOUS AMOUNT OF PROBLEMS, NOT TO MENTION, TAKE THE KID TO HIS FOREIGN LAND NEVER TO BE SEEN AGAIN. PEOPLE FROM LEBANON ARE SCARY, AND THEY HATE US SO WISEN UP THERE "CHEESECAKE"

  • James Corbin

    You people talk about the HC—Do you know what all is in it?? Some of the things in it is really going to be bad for the seniors. We have the best HC in the world. They needed to put the money into our HC. They didn’t need to make up a 2,000. something page bill so that the government has full control. I don’t think the government should
    tell you what to do and to spread the wealth—-you see, we are headed for communism—-Believe it or not!!!!!! I can’t imagine you people not seeing what is taking place. If the government can tell you—you have to buy insurance —-How long will it be until they say you have to buy a GM car??????ETC……

    • Joe

      The really, really bad news is that once our government becomes so intrusive and controlling that government coercion is the only way to maintain the machine, when you order that GM car, you’ll have to wait a year for delivery. Just like the good old days in the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, the USSR. Maybe we can call ourselves “The Union of Socialist States of American” the “USSA”

    • gary

      Do you know about FEMA and all the internment camps? Do you know about the NATO troups that are being trained alongside ours to go house to house and confiscate guns and weapons. Do you know about the current “Black Panthers”? You should! It is getting very serious.

      • Angel

        Yes…I know about it all and the shadow government is who is pulling the strings here.

  • Adrian

    What a shame the average American does not know his/her ancestors were more than likely ‘illegal immigrants’. In fact your ancestors over zealous clean out of the native Indian, is now coming back to bite you on the bum or so you imagine. But don’t worry, what you think is a terrible thing is actually what will save the US long term from becoming a nation of old people. The birth rate in the so called developed World is falling faster than the value of the $. So if their are no young people, who is going to do all the work to keep the old (us) in retirement? It is a fact the Eurozone and the US need young immigrants but it is not politically advisable to admit this. Unless of course you want the ignorant bigot vote to turn against you. Wake up America you are not suffering because of illegal immigration it is not even a side issue. The writer of this coloumn is a small town narrow minded American. He is more interested in knit picking over the 14th Amendment than looking at the big picture. Perhaps he is so old that nothing further out than 10yrs bothers him. With a name like Chip he must be pushing 60yrs old. Youngsters are’nt called Chip in polite society anymore, in fact in the UK only dogs are called Chip.

    • Chaos Factor

      Adrian….good post … And a lot of truth in what you said…

      • gary

        Chaos and Adrian. I am currently in a foreign country and the wind must be coming from your direction.Peeeuuw you two really stink. Maybe you should get back in your hole.

        • chrisk

          Hey Chaos and Adrian: QUOTE: “The birth rate in the so called developed World is falling faster than the value of the $. So if their are no young people, who is going to do all the work to keep the old (us) in retirement”

          You have to pay taxes in order to get benefits. Are the “illegals” paying taxes?…..NO! FYI: the people who migrated here previously, joined the military, paid taxes, homesteaded and paid property tax, LEARNED ENGLISH and educated themselves and their offspring. This brood brings only inferior labor to the table. They have NO entitlements here…ZERO! Most other groups of immigrants here have brought significant development to this country. Why not learn Japanese…look around and see the contributions they have brought. Just for the record, we bombed them and they have more respect for us than the Mexicans…DAH?

    • Joe

      Adrian,

      Yes, from the stand point of the native American, most of us are the result of illegal immigrants. It is also true that native Americans in their natural state had a huge tendency to invade other tribes, to rape the women and to make slaves out of some of them.

      I remember the ‘hispanic’ protesters demanding that we give them back Texas, Arizona, Oklahoma, California, Nevada and who knows what other states. Seems to me that if that is fair, then they in turn should give that land back to the Comanches, Apaches, Aztecs, Mayans and whoever else they stole it from.

      • Adrian

        Who said anything about returning the land to the native Americans? I was pointing out the hypocritical nature of most of the posts that are anti immigration.
        Immigration is absolutely essential, the younger the better. The last thing that the Western World wants is a aging population. With a greater % of people living longer and the birth rate dropping this is exactly what we are going to get. Unless a people’s who’s birth rate has not dried up are invited to migrate/immigrate. In the US’s case these people are Mexicans and other Central Americans. In Europe the same sort of stupidity is going on. Turkey should be invited into the Union. But will not be because of racism.
        If the truth was known everybody who is attacking immigrants here is a racist but is trying to come across as a patriot. Mind you most of you believe bombing innocent Iraqi’s & Afgani’s is being patriotic (I’ve heard you all clapping when a solider walks in the room). What is that all about then? Are you appluading the fact he has probably been on the other side of the World terrifying some Women & Children? I always knew Americans were brave but I’ve truely underestimated just how brave!!!!!!!
        Get real America you are in the mire because stupidly you’ve mortaged youselves up to the hilt, because you want everything yesterday. It’s not an accident that America has more obese people than anywhere else in the WORLD. Your just to damn greedy. Your time is up. The US is in terminal decline. It will be a slow excrutiating death. Lets hope the World is as kind to you on your way down as you were mean on your way up. Never mind America their is life after Wall Street crashes, your homes all lose 50% of their value and the $ is worth less than toilet paper. Perhaps you’ll go and enjoy the only worthwhile thing America gave to the World Rock’n Roll.

        • libertytrain

          Adrian – I expect if the rest of the world paid back the trillions and trillions of dollars in aid the US has provided over the decades, we wouldn’t have a problem — but America hasn’t asked for the money back so just enjoy the Rock and let us not forget the Jazz either -

        • Joe

          Adrian,

          You said: “If the truth was known everybody who is attacking immigrants here is a racist but is trying to come across as a patriot.”

          Anybody who would say a thing like that is evidently held hostage to personal thinking processes that are about as deep as a bottle cap. Either that, or you are a liberal politician looking for support from sheeple whose thinking processes are about as deep as a bottle cap.

          Who exactly is “attacking immigrants” any way? Question, oh wizard of moral superiority: If someone invaded your home, would you welcome them? I suspect you probably would.

        • Angel

          I see NO ONE attacking immigration…if it is done LEGALLY. The fact that everyone wants to send ALL that have come here ILLEGALLY back to where they came from and come back LEGALLY would be another story. They would be welcomed as they would have a job, know English, and pay taxes!

          If your heart is not for the rights and freedom of Americans, then you are not AMERICAN. An American has his heart in this Republic! Period. No allegiance to any other country!

    • JeffH

      Adrian…you certinly sound like a chip off the ole block…your comment stinks of a leftist’s bias. How do you feel about illegal immigration and amnesty for those 15-30 million illegal immigrants? Give or take 20 million of course.

    • tim

      Your’e right on, Adrian…….It’s the small mindedness of Chip’s article…………the small town, small mindedness that gets me…….

      your’e right, about this issue suddenly taking center stage after all of these years……..

      Since 9/11, we americans, have to HATE every other people now………because WE are the only coun try that has EVER been attacked…….WE have suffered SO much, since the beginning of the Union…….
      Thomas Friedmen calls us…….”The United States of 9/11″………..

      We’re paranoid as all heck…….and it’s brought out the crazies……….

      • usainshambles

        INCLUDING YOU GUYS YOUR THE CRAZIEST OF US ALLLLL!!!! I BET YOUR PARENTS ARE SO PROUD THAT YOU SLAP OUR MILITARY IN THE FACE WITH YOUR RIDICULOUS COMMENTS. WHY DON’T YOU GUYS JOIN THE MILITARY AND THEN YOU’LL SEE WHAT THERE IS TO BE PARANOID ABOUT!!!! COWARDS

    • http://aol wayne a

      adrian,how in the hell could our ancestors have been illegal when there was no laws against it,in fact no laws at all.

    • Mick for thought

      Good points but leave Chip alone. He is nomore responsible for his name than Obama. You get the name you were given by your parents. Chip’s parents had a sense of humor. Met a kid at my clinic whose Mom named him Superman. See, it could have been worse.

  • American liberal

    Bob… Wrong….the origional constitution was written at a time when it was ok to own a humanbeing and when a woman wasn’t allowed a vote or voice… So to say the condictions we live in today doesn’t change the way the constitutions intent is interpeted is nonsense….women not have a voice, can run for office and own a company… A humanbeing can no longer be owned…. Your missing the point of the constitution….

    • Mick for thought

      I think some folks here do no like the amendments in the Bill of Rights.

  • http://busterhomes@hotmail.com Frank S. Wood

    Please Refer: Minor v. Happersett 88 U.S. 162 (1874) The U.S. Supreme Court ruled that if an individual is born in the United States and both parents are U.S. citizens at the time of the birth, that individual is, in fact, a natural born citizen. The same Supreme Court decision also addressed the issue of a person born in the United States where one of the parents is not a U.S. citizen at the time of the birth of the child. The ruling noted that in such a case, the child’s natural born citizenship status is “in doubt.”

    • Americal liberal

      Frank… The problem is” in Doubt”.. Isn’t what I’d call a clear decision…and leaves us at exactly the same place..

      • http://busterhomes@hotmail.com Frank S. Wood

        To: American Liberal: I’m just reporting what the Supreme Court said. As far as I know “in doubt” does not resolve the issue. I suggest that someone go to the law library, look up the site and get the exact wording. Maybe the exact wording is: “In dubio” According to Black’s Law (6th addition) means: “in a state of uncertainty, or in a doubtful case.”
        The Civil Rights Act of 1866 begins with language from which the 14th Amendment’s Citizenship Clause is derived: “All persons born in the United States, and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed, are hereby declared to be citizens of the United States.”
        In my humble opion if one parent is a citizen of the United States they are subject to the power of the United States. However, if one parent is a citizen of a foreign power that parent is not a citizen of the United States. And that would leave the child “in doubt.”
        Congress and/or the Supreme Court must settle this once and for all.

        • Smilee

          This is a case that deals with if a woman is a citizen she should then have the right to vote, the court determined she was a citizen but that the 14th amendment did not also give her the right to vote, it did not rule on anything else.

    • http://www.evergreenfarms.org Fred Howard

      Frank – You stand out from other responders to Chip’s Commentary on Illegals vs Legals in the USA. Are you related to Chip (Wood)? It’s time we (American Patriots) get serious about our situation. I for one am not ready to through in the “Towel” and accept defeat. Too many have died and suffered over the past 200 plus years in support of this experiment we call a Democracy to just let it slip away. If you are interested, I would like to continue a discussion away from this venue. Michelle’s (May 21 @ 8:14 am) comment on this site summarizes where we are as a Nation. If you did not see my reply ref. (May 21 @ 7:21) please review. What can be done, if anything, to reverse our course? I’ve got some ideas. Fred, (fred.evergreen.farms@gmail.com)

  • Richard B.

    “Don’t we want to help those lesser than ourselves?”
    drotterman

    I do a lot to help others. Whether they are lesser than myself or better then myself is not important when they need help. However, if some person breaks the law and tries to take from me, may God have mercy on his soul. There is a huge difference between charity and theft.

    • tim

      Richard B…….there is a difference, your’e right………but WHY do we get all bent out of shape, when these Mexicans work the fields, and make money, and perhaps…….or always…….don’t pay Taxes…….

      but we never get angry at Wall Street for raping the financial system……….otr the loosw regulations on Visas, given to students, who fly planes into our Buildings…….????

      I say, close the Border now, and legalize who’s ever here as of 8;00 tonight…………

      • JeffH

        NO AMNESTY! NO AMNESTY!

        • Mick for thought

          Jeff you are usually more eloquent than this.

          • JeffH

            Sorry to disappoint!

      • del

        I agree with one exception. Yes close down the border, but then kick the shit out of everyone that is here illegally

        • Mick for thought

          That would be a felony. Are you for the law or against it?

      • http://aol wayne a

        hey tim we do also get upset with wallstreet,don’t you read the paper? yeah,lets make the illegals legal,why you’re at it lets make the drug dealers legal,what about making the rapist legal.they’re all the same,criminals that broke our law!

        • Mick for thought

          You are being simplistic and not really adding to any constructive thought or dialog.

  • Brian

    The root problem is money and its ready availability. If we demand our government return our money, if we demand we reduce our tax burden, we thereby reduce the size of our government. We are never going to get bureaucrats to willingly shrink their own fiefdoms. However, if there are no monies to fuel these dysfunctional organizations, there are then no bureaucrats to anger us. Tax revenues fund the abhorrent activities of these people; the lack of money would therefore stop them. These people are not honest enough to do what they with their own money. By extension, when there is less money to fund the benefits of illegal immigration then the illegal immigrants will not come. Hopefully they will rebel in their own countries.

  • Tony

    I can’t understand the vast majority of what you guys write, it is either misspelled, jumbled up sentences, or just plain illiterate. No offence intended, but it’s flat out frustrating trying to read it. Please American Liberal the word is condition, not condiction, please.

    • Chaos Factor

      Tony… Fine…condition it is….feel Better…?

    • JeffH

      ..offence? Perhaps you should reconsider your words…

    • tim

      Tony…….it’s offense….not…….offence

    • Mick for thought

      We are all guilty of not doing our spellcheck in sometimes heated conversation.

  • Vietnam Vet.

    I don’t know why a criminal can’t profit from his crime such as write a book about it but an illegal can profit from his illegal act. the act being entering this country illegaly, the profit becoming a citizen by having a baby here.
    2. as far as what President Bush did (Iraq) it is not half as bad as what the democrats (especially Johnson)did in Vietnam. so as the saying goes the pot(Dems&libs) calling the kettle black.
    and those that think the middle east is just full of inocents even Thomas Jefferson knew the truth. If anyone care to enlighten themselves they would know the true reason he had the book of koran.

  • Chaos Factor

    This article is just being used to take cheap jabs at president Obama over a problem that started before Obama was even born…..you can’t lay the Blame on president Obama and not even Mention that president Reagan granted illegals amnesty while he was president and Both Bushs and Clinton did nothing….. If you just want to trash Obama then don’t pretend it’s about immigration reform or the wording of the 14th amendment …. Be honest and place the blame where it belongs…… Both major partys and employers that hire illegals

    • Joe

      Can’t blame Obama? Who then is the current so called leader of this country? Bush got blamed for every thing under the sun by liberal hypocrites. What makes Obama immune to blame other than the fact that liberals love him? He is either the president of the United States, or he is not. Obama is proof that a man can pretend to be our president while working against us at every turn.

      The fact is, the problem has escalated into a crises of national security. It has become an issue of IMMEDIATE concern. Obama constantly undermines American nationality, security and soverienty (sp?)
      Do you really suppose that on his best day Obama gives a tinkers damn about what is right for the American people?

      The liberals are constantly, incessantly whining, crying, blaming. The only principle that works with them is “the squeaky wheel gets the most grease” as any rookie community organizer learns on day one.

      I miss the good old days when we believed in just replacing the squeaky wheel and the whole machine ran better and less expensively.

    • chrisk

      Can’t blame Obama….I beg to differ. He sits idly while the “illegal” population increases daily. He was hired to make a difference, to date everything has worsened.

      If you fire a buffoon, why would you hire another one? Obama’s job is to enhance the quality of life in HIS country, not decimate it! The man has shelled out BILLIONS of taxpayer money to thief’s, liars and Fraudsters. He has coddled big business at the expense of every taxpayer in this country. My friend; HE can and must do something about his behavior and the people who are taking advantage of hard-working Americans!

    • http://aol wayne a

      chaos factor, we can bash obama when he apologizes to the mexican president for the arz. law just passed and proposes to give 20 million illegal criminals amnesty!

    • Mick for thought

      Until President Obama gets around to this issue yes he can be blamed. But, as you said the problem existed long before through many administrations and they did nothing also. It will not be fixed overnight like many here would like.

      • Smilee

        Mick

        There are so many on here who believe Obama has the power to snap his fingers and create miracles as that is what they expect and demand of him, hell some even call him the messiah, but will not worship him through, Do you suppose they are hypocrites and phony

        • usainshambles

          HEY SMILEE WILL YOU PAY FOR MY HEALTH INSURANCE…PLEASE?

  • nellie

    our freedom in the UNITED STATES was nfounded by GOD and our WONDERFUL SERVICE MEN AMEN NOW I ASK who is critized and not even recognized?????? GOD AND OUR MEN GIVING THEIR LIFE FOR OUR COUNTRY while obama does not even respect this freedom or our god not even OUR WONDERFUL RED WHITE AND BLUE FLAG
    he and his wife used their left hand to honor our flag .now i ask you what is a person doing in our white house that does not respect these three main things of our country nand even trying to take our freedom of speech from us all i can say is WAKE UP AMERICA WE HAVE BEEN SILENT AND RAILROADED ENOUGH

    • Mick for thought

      What on earth are you talking about. Check your facts before spewing nonsense.

    • Smilee

      Nellie, Nellie

      Sober up and then try it again.

    • usainshambles

      AMEN NELLIE!!!!

  • Richard

    It’s becoming a global, social facist system. Don’t worry, it’s not just here but in many other places. Communism is an old non trendy word. As time goes by we will merge tith other governments so our sovernty has to be re-defined to do that and a few non team players have to be deminized and crushed. Also, our Dollar has to be done away with (devalued) for a proper merge.
    Create chaos, then offer a solution, that’s how it works. It’s like a script that’s running.
    In the mean time the younger bunch will never be able to retire but, we are paying for the ones who did. How is that fair? I know, life is not fair.. Now that’s socialism, a part of communism.
    Such systems only work well for bees and ants.
    Well. maybe we can be brainwashed into thinking they work for us, we need more flouride. No, we need more pretty entertainment… Who knows.. lol

    • http://personalliberty.com RChick

      Richard, In reference to your comment: “In the mean time the younger bunch will never be able to retire but, we are paying for the ones who did. How is that fair? I know, life is not fair.”

      I think about this a lot. The only way I can deal with this is to think that the $1000 they take out of our check monthly for FICA is going to my and my husband’s parents’ retirement. I try not to think about the fact that our withholdings added to the withholdings of my 7 siblings’ earnings is far more than my parents and in-laws take in.

    • http://personalliberty.com RChick

      Richard, In reference to your comment:

      “In the mean time the younger bunch will never be able to retire but, we are paying for the ones who did. How is that fair? I know, life is not fair.”

      I think about this a lot. The only way I can deal with this is to think that the $1000 they take out of our check monthly for FICA is going to my and my husband’s parents’ retirement. I try not to think about the fact that our withholdings added to the withholdings of my 7 siblings’ earnings is far more than my parents and in-laws take in.

  • http://Yahoo Sandy Archer

    So I guess the next question is… Do we want to be known as as AmeriMex or MexiAmer or U S of M (mexico)?? One of the most mind blowing experiences I have had recently , is to be standing behind a Mexican in line at the grocery store who pulls out a WIC (welfare) Card to pay for their food and then see them climb into a brand spanking new Double cab pickup Truck. I was counting out my coins to make sure I had enough to pay for my few items and they had 2 baskets overflowing with huge roast, ribs, etc. I was in a 10 yr old Ford Taurus. Does that seem fair? Especially since it is coming from the taxes taken from my paycheck.I get up every morning at 5:00 and I sit in bumper to bumper traffic to go to work. What are these people doing to give back to this great country?

    • Joe

      Perhaps we will become the Northern De-United States of America

      • JeffH

        Estados Unidos de Mexico if Calderon has his way…his appearance and verbal attack on Arizona at the WH was an utterly hypocritical and disgusting display, but even more disgusting was the actions of everyone in attendance to sit and applaude the lieing heathen.

  • William L.

    This article is in no way factual. A person has to be 21 years old to sponsor a relative into the US.. Look it up in the Immigration law of 2000. They do get Citizenship and can come back when they get their US documents (from a consular officer), but cannot apply for parents until they are 21. Then the parents have to wait for the waiting list to get to them.

  • gary

    I would like all the minorities to tell me what they were doing when American was discovered and why you did not discover her and why did you not create the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA?
    What was your race of people doing in that period of time?? LMAO WE all know the answer to that.
    Now you minorities are all wanting to be the one that takes over America.
    Good you take it and see what happens.Look at your history and you will see you will not be able to manage it. Look at history.

    • Joe

      That won’t work. Liberals do not believe that Columbus discovered America. They believe that one day a group of mild mannered, fun loving, peaceful, utterly innocent native Americans went down to the waterfront and discovered that ship building fool on their beach.

      • Chaos Factor

        Pretty funny for you Joe…..was that before or after you republicans discovered the world wasn’t flat and you stopped burning witches at the steak?…Now… If we can just control all your slobbering and potty train you…

        • http://aol wayne a

          chaos factor, i can see you’re one of those die hard know it all dem, especially by that well thought out intellegent comment.by the way chaos,did you graduate from hs? its burn at the stake,not steak! you eat steaks you #$%#$%$%%^^^&&*!

          • Mick for thought

            My God lets crucify him for a spelling error.

        • Joe

          I do not recall claiming to be a Republican. Just because it would be a cold day in hell before I support a liberal politician, you jump to conclusions and spout stupidity. Nor do I recall claiming that Columbus was a Republican 200 or so years before the party came into existence. Having said that, it is easy to see why you call yourself Chaos Factor here. You are attempting to stir up Chaos with you entirely subjective BS.

          Has any one pointed out to you that people who do not think the way you do not are about a dime a dozen? Hmmm… on the other hand you display your ignorance, arrogance, rudeness and judgmental profiling tendencies and general contempt for any one not in accord with your bottle cap deep thinking completely free of charge. What a cheap way to find ego enhancing satisfaction in life.

          Good luck to you in life. As ignorant as you seem to be, only luck can help you.

          • JeffH

            Joe, nice! haos is just a hack…doing his job. Why is it that anybody they disagree with a liberal, and there are too many to count, automatically become Republicans. These are the very same morons that think the Tea Party is just a bunch of rich old white guys supported by the Republican Party.
            Oh well, November is just around the block and then we’ll have to listen to them make excuses for the “shock and awe” that’s gonna change the power in the House. Good night Nazi Pelosi, good noght!

    • tim

      Gary, your statements are racist….Hubris……stupid…….pompus……..I can go on………

      Is America an ethnicity????????

      It’s a country , a Culture, perhaps…….but NOT an ethnicity……unlike, say, Japan………We’ve NEVER close our minds to other Cultures…….isn’t that what makes this country tolerant and accepting all of these years???????

    • Smilee

      gary

      I believe the Indians did discover this country, those that you say discovered it actually came later and drove them off and took everything they had from them, but no they were not the first to discover it but that’s probably part of the history you wish to ignore.

  • http://msn bob

    The 14th Admendment needs revised.Just because you are born in this country does not make you an american . If your parents aren’t citizens you cannot become a citizen until you are old enough to take the oath and the test that our forefathers did when they immigrated here. A baby has no concept or care where they are borned.If their parents are of citizens of Mexico, or where ever, then that is where the babies are citizens of. Become Citizens, work, pay taxes and serve in the military of this country then be welcomed.
    If not GET THE H_ _ L OUT!!!!!!!!!

    • KELLI2L

      - – If the ‘anchor baby’ bill isn’t totally REMOVED than it needs to be greatly impared…like taking away the provisions that allow the whole family to come to America and file for citizenship. The baby’s relatives should need to apply FROM THEIR country and NOT be placed on a fast track for citizenship….

      - – Let’s not forget folks that the Mexican president is complaining about how wrong Arizona’s ILLEGAL immigration law is – when his own countries laws are much harsher on ILLEGAL immigrants, I refuse to listen to HYPOCRITES…..and our politicians should NOT have encouraged this. . . .SHAMEFUL BEHAVIOR….

  • KELLI2L

    - – Unfortunately, as with many of our OLD laws, they are now outdated and need to be removed.

    - – This “anchor baby” law was put in place because at the time America was looking to increase its population. . . .

    - – But NOW America is greatly over-loaded…especially with ILLEGALs so we need to put the – REMOVAL of this bill – on the fast track !!!

  • A Maratellos

    The time and usefulness for the 14th Amendment has come and gone. It was put in place to keep the former slaves and their children from being uprooted and sent back to the country(s) from which they had been abducted, now a strange land for them. It was the right thing to do at the time.

    However it was never intended to be a security blanket or safe haven to be abused by any and all illegals as it is today. This is not just applicable for Mexican illegals as any Radical Islamic Extremist can and will abuse the 14th Amendment to murder American citizens. Whether the radical Obama regime will admit it or not, WE ARE AT WAR!!!

    The 14th Amendment needs to be repealed.

    • kenecarroll

      I agree…if any illegal is in this country (KNOWINGLY) illegally, then that baby iis also illegal…kick them all out..starting with Pelosi, Reid and Obama.

      • tim

        and you too……..Kenecarrol……..

        we’ll run you out on a rail, to, perhaps, South Africa???……then, you can start up apartheid again………..

        • http://aol wayne a

          tim,you’re an idiot! i bet you’re one of those anchor babies yourself.i guess that explains your idiotic comment,its in your bloodline.

  • Patriot

    Please do not make the mistake to ever argue with a liberal or progressive there are no facts & truth to what they speak or write. We all know the Truth! I firmly believe that it is not what is said, thought or what you intend to do, it is what you actually do that counts, especially when no one is looking. The actions over the last year and half speak for themselves; you, I and the rest of the silent majority that value our existing laws know that our Culture, Boarders and Nation built on the moral, courage and sacrifice of our people are the fabric of this great country, never let their view point change that. We need to uphold our current laws; it is really that simple. I applaud Arizona for making this an issue that needs to be dealt with; as a matter of fact I will now vacation in AZ on vacation to visit the Grand Canyon, my little part showing my support. Our Nation is the last best hope for the world, that is way they all want to come here, we are morally right, never forget! Character, values and truth still matter!

    The liberal & progressive view has no basis on reality, as you can all tell they have no solutions it is the blame or racist game time and again. When a state like AZ tries to solve a problem the first thing that happens (with no basis on fact) is that we will sue, challenge or criticize; no solutions. I am sick and tired of the first reaction is suing someone or some institution!

    • marvin

      Patriot,point in fact liberal mind pelosie on 2800 page obamacare we got to pass it to see whats in it,nepolitano it is not illegal to be in united states undocumented,obama i am in charge you can not have the car keys so set down and shut up,holder it is our policy not to say if we are or are not investigating something well have you read the arizona law it is just 10 pages, no i have not,are you going to read it, and then allow calderon of the failed counrty of mexico to tell them that the people of arizona has no right to pass it,s own law, hell mite make some illegal go home and we can not have that

  • Michelle

    The 14th Amendment needs to be challenged, but with the corruption in the Supreme Court it will never turn out good. How do you protect and defend the Constitution when the justices being appointed are against the 1st Amendment, 2nd Amendment and anything else that stands in their way. They want to “write” laws instead of interpret and uphold the laws of the land. The only way to take back our country is to get the progressives, communists and socialists out of every branch of government. Otherwise they are creating more illegal laws that citizens must be subject to, but apparently illegals have free reign in which to take over our country – with the help of our government.

    • kenecarroll

      You’re a good woman Michelle…my faith in women has been revived by you…hope there are more like you out there.

      • Angel

        Yes…there are more women like Michelle…ME!…LOL

    • Rick Quill

      And don’t forget to realize that all those laws that Congress and the Senate pass also “exempt” the members of both houses from those same laws.

      • Smilee

        That is just not true Rick, there are lots of congressmen in jails who broke laws that if you had done the same you would be in jail. Far right propaganda, nothing more than that

  • Americal liberal

    Tony…. I’m guilty…. Yes, I sometimes spell a word wrong … I try not to but it happens and will again…..I hope you can get on with your life and aren’t to damaged…. But I will make an attempt to correct poor spelling…wink!!

    • gary

      LMAO LMAO

    • marvin

      Americal Liberal the only good think about your posts, is that it shows the rest on here that belive in god, gun, famly, laws and country, that the mind is a terrible thing to waste, da mr holder has ya read the 10 page arizona law no sir but i was told it is about illegals mr calderon saz it is a bad law for his people here illegally and we can not have him mad he may really start enforceing immigration law and we liberal will lose someone we can give a handout to for votes

    • Rick Quill

      Another “oops” there American Liberal……you also just used the incorrect form of to/too/two in your post.

  • Char

    If the 14th Amendment was not radified then even Obama parentage is reason for us to question his being ineligable to serve as president. And I certainly get tired of hearing about our democracy, we have a Rebublic style of government not a democracy, even though our elected officals say we are a democracy dosen’t mean they are telling the truth. They think if they say something long enough they will convince everyone that it is true, and a whole lot of people follow along blindly. As goes the unradified 14th Amendment and the lies being told on the interpitation of it.

  • Richard

    I like Adrian’s comment. Ignorance is ovious in the article. It looks like something out my old crumppy republichristian relatives. A domoncrat is not much better, just a different label. They usually go to church and then don’t care about anyone but themselves.

    Also, what is a minority? One that thinks different or looks different?

    A different color of people, well, that’s relative because for example in Atlanta, whites are minorities. Ignorance and trust in the media are a big part of the problem. Why are the dumb ones so arrogant?

    People that just react before writing are the ones that are usually wrong. They are fools, like mad dogs. Changes are coming….
    We can’t change that.. It’s written in the script.
    Talking here is not doing anything but giving more importance to the writer of the article.
    When you argue with a fool, it’s hard to see who’s the fool.

  • Rick Quill

    Our great and wonderful country is in “DISTRESS”. I would like to suggest starting a movement and if I were internet savvy enough I would build a website and get the word out with the widest dissemination possible. The website and movement is simple…..let’s start flying the Stars and Stripes upside down. The 4th of July is just around the corner and would be a perfect day for Americans who “STILL” love this country and “STILL BELIEVE” in the principles that our great country was founded on to stand up and be counted while at the same time sending a clear message to our elected officials that enough is enough. That our elected officials work for us! WE DON’T WORK FOR THEM (as much as they would like to think otherwise). And that they were elected and sent to Washington, D.C. to represent us…….our desires, needs and concerns……and are/were expected vote in accordance with what the majority of their constituents demand. So, is there anyone out there with website-building savvy that would like to take up the task of designing and promoting a web-based campaign to invert our flag until the original America has been restored? Once the campaign gets started I believe it will catch on like wildfire and gain momentum of epidemic proportions. Of course the only mainstream media that would give it any kind of coverage would be FOX news while the rest of the media (the “Lamestream” media to be exact) would be scrambling to quash and downplay such a campaign.

  • http://lathersroadsouth.blog.com jay

    Much discussion has been centered about the working Mom or Dad who, as it may turn out, will not be able to afford Health care Premiums in the future.
    If one chooses not to spend whatever, if ever, discretionary income on Insurance, when Meat on the table is missing, new shoes for the kids are needed or gas for the Motorcar or Cycle are needed for Job searchs. That person will be offered a subsidized Insurance plan as has been discussed.
    Still, for the Working poor, 250,000 Wisconsinites laid off, furloughed or underemployed as of today, 5/21/10, any premium will be too heavy a burden to shoulder.
    Now for the bullet to the bone; If a Citizen refuses to pay up, he or she will be subject to a Summons to Circuit Court, and if found in violation of said law may be Ordered to Pay or be Charged with Contempt, resulting in Fine…or Imprisonment….argh!
    As a child I used to read about Debtor prisons in Europe and how fear of imprisonment and harsh Judgements, were two of the prime reasons for Early Immigration from the Continent.
    So, If you do not want be part of Health Care for the Universe, go Exempt, leave the Grid or simply pay up.
    2012 is just around the corner anyway..everything is relative in the Greater Scheme of things.

  • Jim Monroe

    The US Supreme Court was so convinced of the illegality of the 14th Amendment that they refused to make any ruling under it for 55 years after it was put in the Constitution. Finally in 1923 in the decision in Gitlow v. New York, Mr Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes ruled that the freedom of speech provisions of the 1st Amendment apply to the states by extension under the 14th. It has been a snowball ever since. So much for stare decisis.

  • Jerry Anderson

    As I understand from all I have read, the income tax was never ratified either. Dosen’t make any difference. Considering the goons we send to DC and the 50 million attorneys living around the white house,we could be doomed to their wishes.

    • Smilee

      Jerry

      Far right propaganda mill is trying to make that case but lack any factual evidence to take it to court so instead of doing that they create propaganda web sits and writings all sheer rumor and fabrications.. Don’t you thing if they could prove it in court that they would take it to court, You damn right they would!!

  • American

    Take the BULL by the horns. By doing nothing but whinning, it stays the same, nothing changes. Liken to a cancer, the regime feeds off us, takes the fruit of our labors and uses them for their wants and needs. Which with this regime is against our basic survival needs more and more. When will enough be enough? Better, when will it be too much? Will the final straw ever be found? Americans will soon be marching in the streets, on workdays, not weekends or holidays. That will be when the question: “Can you hear me now”. be heard, and not one minute before.

  • http://Yahoo Sandy Archer

    God Bless America and the people who have lost their lives fighting for this Country. and God bless the people who continue to fight!!

  • David Warheit

    You state: “by becoming a newly franchised citizen, that infant is permitted to sponsor American citizenship for its mother, father and other relatives.” This is completely false. The infant can sponsor no one for American citizenship and he never can. When the child turns 21, he can PETITION for his parents to IMMIGRATE to the US. He can also petition for his brothers and sisters to immigrate and if he should marry someone who is not only a noncitizen but also not a permanent resident, he may petition for his spouse. The waiting list for brothers and sisters is extremely long, for citizens of some countries it is over 100 years! Once the petitions for his parents are approved, they may apply for immigrant visas, but these cannot be granted unless they can prove that they are not likely to become public charges, in short, that they are fully able to support themselves or be supported by family members. If someone does immigrate to the US and subsequently does become unable to support himself, anyone who supported his immigration will be assumed by law to be supporting that person, whether he does so or not, so that person cannot qualify for public assistance in almost all circumstances.

    In short, while you can call the US-born child of an undocumented alien an “anchor child”, that alien can reap no benefit from having a US citizen child for at least 21 years after the child’s birth and cannot obtain US citizenship for himself for at least 26 years after the child’s birth.

    Final point, has the legality of the 14th Amendment ever been ruled upon by the US Supreme Court? Of course it has, in hundreds if not thousands of cases. Every single case decided by the Supreme Court which cites the 14th Amendment serves as a ratification of its legality. Even if none of the parties to a particular lawsuit raise the issue, the question of the legality of any law or any Amendment to the Constitution which may pertain to the matter at hand is open for a sua sponte ruling by the Court, something that the Court has never done and, I can safely predict, never will.

    • gary

      you are an attorney??

      • David Warheit

        Yes, Gary, I am.

        • gary

          THanks for the info.

        • Smilee

          David

          Thanks, seldom do you see someone on here who actually makes sense

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Virginia

    Mary, if you are Obama’s cousin, can you shed some light on Obama’s birth place?

  • marvin

    the 14adm to the constutition was for the children of slaves, or people forceably brought here, not illegals we had no illegal problum then, if the great constitution people read this document it saz to be a citizen you must swear allegiance to this country and uphold it laws,now i know some babies may start walking and talking around 2 years but i have in all my 65 years meet or saw that one that could read or even cared about the constitution,it is a scam on the american people one more point our great president allowed a president of a failed country, mexico with the blessing of the liberals in congress,ag holder, dhls nepolitano,speaker pelosie, vp biden to stand in the peoples house and and say he don,t think arizona should pass laws he don,t like and ever democrat from our vp down stood and applauded this idiot he was braging about all the jobs his country had created if that is the case then why in the hell are his great hard working god loving people all want to come here and for are repres to not only allow this but condone this is nothing short of treason my rep in congress is a blue dog dem and has on the whole done a good job, but that condoning of interference with a state and is people to enforce it,s laws will cost him my vote in nov i have allready emailed him with my disaproval of theis outrage by the congress, so this is the change we need,obam said the repub ran the car in the ditch and he got it out, now the repub want the keys for the car, will i say a car in the ditch an,t nothing compared to the train wreck this bunch of imbeciles have and will cause i just don,t think anyone of the liberal can hear or read [have you read the 10 page bill holder, dua no but someone said it was about profiling and we can,t have states passing them kind da laws hell it mite cause an illegal to leave and we will need thay vote to stay in power da when the nex election mr obama,don,t ask me holder i`m on vaction ask one of the other great liberal minds maby sen specter can tell you, x sen specter that is

  • Joe Koudelka

    …if the parents are illegal the baby is illegal. No citizenship for baby…not even a 14th Amend. citizenship.

    • Smilee

      Sorry Joe, you saying so does not make it so!!!!

  • william ahrens

    I hesitate to say it but I at least partially agree with Chaos Factor back when he essentially said Obama is not the problem. It started before him. He’s right. I’m a conservative but Bush was an idiot and a disaster. His antics are what opened the door for a liberal sweep in the legislature and the executive branches and soon the Judicial.
    Obama isn’t the cause of all our problems but he’s not the solution either. Much of this crap we’re going through started with Johnson and just continued to snowball while we were all happly apathetic. Now we have a very serious problem in this country and it may even be too late to change it. Lets not forget another idiot: Carter and the smooth as Teflon Billy boy Clinton who bald faced lied to us on TV, got impeached and got off……in many ways. I crack me up.
    Something happeded to our society between Nixon and Bill Clinton. We drove Nixon out of office for doing all the dirty tricks Washington is famous for and winked at Clinton. Yea baby, get er done! DC is a filthy, dishonest place that eats its own young for any political advantage. Somewhere back in this thing it was said we have the best health care in the world. After reading that I started to believe in UFO’s. The World Health Organization ranks us about 37th in the world for health care quality with France first. We’re about twice as expensive as France per capita. What Obama has done is to maintain the stitus quo and force everyone to pay for it and convinced us its good for us. The health care industry considers us their cash cow and Obama did nothing effective to change that.

    • http://aol wayne a

      william, nobody is blaming obama for all our problems with the illegals because its not.but when the pres. of the USA apologizes to the pres. of mex over the arz. law and wants to give amnesty to 20 million illegal criminals then we do have a hell of alot of reasons to bitch about obama!

  • ed kopanski

    what we have here is a lack of representation by the individuals “we the people” put in office. Our congress ( House of Reps and the senate) for some reason vote the party line regardless if it’s good for the country or not. This so-called “congress” has sat on their duffs and allowed the “oligarchy” of pelosi, reid and obama have the run of the legislative process. This “congress” needs to adopt the policy of “ASK NOT WHAT YOU CAN DO FOR YOUR PARTY, BUT WHAT YOU CAN DO FOR YOUR ELECTORATE”…hopefully the American people will “wake up” to what is going on and vote to save our great country during the upcoming elections. God Bless America and all the ships at sea….the “Stars and Stripes” forever.

  • Airangel

    I don’t think we’ll be able to challenge the 14th Amendment but I would think we are justified in making an Amendment to it or a new Amendment based on Article 1, section 9 “The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in cases of REBELLION or INVASION the public safety may require it…we are seeing rebellion and invasion and therefore we have solid ground to change section 1 of the 14th Amendment.

    There are essentially two ways spelled out in the Constitution for how to propose an amendment. One has never been used.

    The first method is for a bill to pass both houses of the legislature, by a two-thirds majority in each. Once the bill has passed both houses, it goes on to the states. This is the route taken by all current amendments.

    The second method prescribed is for a Constitutional Convention to be called by two-thirds of the legislatures of the States, and for that Convention to propose one or more amendments. These amendments are then sent to the states to be approved by three-fourths of the legislatures or conventions. This route has never been taken, and there is discussion in political science circles about just how such a convention would be convened, and what kind of changes it would bring about.

    Regardless of which of the two proposal routes is taken, the amendment must be ratified, or approved, by three-fourths of states. There are two ways to do this, too. The text of the amendment may specify whether the bill must be passed by the state legislatures or by a state convention. Amendments are sent to the legislatures of the states by default. In any case, passage by the legislature or convention is by simple majority.

    The Constitution, then, spells out four paths for an amendment:

    •Proposal by convention of states, ratification by state conventions (never used)
    •Proposal by convention of states, ratification by state legislatures (never used)
    •Proposal by Congress, ratification by state conventions (used once)
    •Proposal by Congress, ratification by state legislatures (used all other times)

    It is interesting to note that at no point does the President have a role in the formal amendment process (though he would be free to make his opinion known). He cannot veto an amendment proposal, nor a ratification. This point is clear in Article 5, and was reaffirmed by the Supreme Court in Hollingsworth v Virginia. I say we AMEND with no more anchor babies as we are under invasion and rebellion as expressed by the La Raza and other smaller gangs.

    • usainshambles

      OMG! YOUR A GENIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Roylyn08

    As I have read the 230 opinions, and so far I come up with:

    American Health Care – Destroyed
    American Monitary system – Destruction in process – almost complete
    American Leadership – non-existant
    American Pride – Destroyed
    American Family – Destruction in process

    Conclusion – New Goverment Direction – Socialist/Facist tendencies with current Muslim leadership and liberalism/progressive backing.

    • gary

      lol I was thinking the same.

    • Doc Sarvis

      Objectivity, rational thinking, honesty, truth in most of those 230 opinions – totally lacking.

      • http://aol wayne a

        doc sarvis,the only thing lacking is the intelligence that you lack!

        • Doc Sarvis

          Oh, that was very clever.

  • eddie47d

    Alot of you talk about loyality from illegals and demand they learn English and look like us. How can you demand allegiance from temporary guest workers when they are not U.S. Citizens. As long as we keep their lives in limbo (citizenship) then they owe us nothing. Early American immigrants came here and stayed and had a reason to assimilate and learn our language.They could also bring family members to America but they also would become permanent residence. We have different rules for temporary workers and some never have a chance to become a citizen.If you were a missionary in Africa for 2yrs. and then return home to USA you are still an American citizen and not of Africa. If a Mexican returns home after working the fields in this country he is still a Mexican citizen. Unless we change the guest worker laws then nothing will change and they will not assimilate. If you want loyalty then give them that insentive that earlier immigrants had.

    • http://aol wayne a

      eddie 47,theres a big difference in guest workers and illegals.first why should even a guest worker be promised citizenship? he’s here working in our country,earning our money,taking our jobs to earn a living ,something his own country can’t give him.and as far as illegals we don’t owe them a damn thing!they flaunt all laws,rape our welfare sys,strain our schools,nearly bankrupt our hospitals and they get all this for free and you got nerve enough to say we should give them an opening to work for citizenship.BS!!!!

  • Mary

    You have two families: “Joe Legal” and “Jose Illegal”.
    Both families have two parents, two children, and live in California .
    Joe Legal works in construction, has a Social Security Number and makes $25.00 per hour with taxes deducted.
    Jose Illegal also works in construction, has NO Social Security Number, and gets paid $15.00 cash “under the table”.
    Ready? Now pay attention…
    Joe Legal: $25..00 per hour x 40 hours = $1000.00 per week, or $52,000.00 per year. Now take 30% away for state and federal tax; Joe Legal now has $31,231.00.
    Jose Illegal: $15.00 per hour x 40 hours = $600.00 per week, or
    $31,200.00 per year. Jose Illegal pays no taxes. Jose Illegal now has
    $31,200.00.
    Joe Legal pays medical and dental insurance with limited coverage for
    his family at $600.00 per month, or $7,200.00 per year. Joe Legal now
    has $24,031.00.
    Jose Illegal has full medical and dental coverage through the state and local clinics at a cost of $0.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.
    Joe Legal makes too much money and is not eligible for food stamps or
    welfare. Joe Legal pays $500.00 per month for food, or $6,000.00 per
    year. Joe Legal now has $18,031.00.
    Jose Illegal has no documented income and is eligible for food stamps
    and welfare. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.
    Joe Legal pays rent of $1,200.00 per month, or $14,400.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $9,631.00.
    Jose Illegal receives a $500.00 per month federal rent subsidy. Jose
    Illegal pays out that $500.00 per month, or $6,000.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has $ 31,200.00.
    Joe Legal pays $200.00 per month, or $2,400.00 for insurance. Joe Legal now has $7,231.00.
    Jose Illegal says, “We don’t need no stinkin’ insurance!” and still has $31,200.00.
    Joe Legal has to make his $7,231.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, etc.
    Jose Illegal has to make his $31,200.00 stretch to pay utilities,
    gasoline, and what he sends out of the country every month.
    Joe Legal now works overtime on Saturdays or gets a part time job after work.
    Jose Illegal has nights and weekends off to enjoy with his family.
    Joe Legal’s and Jose Illegal’s children both attend the same school. Joe Legal pays for his children’s lunches while Jose Illegal’s children get a government sponsored lunch. Jose Illegal’s children have an after school ESL program. Joe Legal’s children go home.
    Joe Legal and Jose Illegal both enjoy the same police and fire services, but Joe paid for them and Jose did not pay.

    Do you get it, now?

    • Rick Quill

      Wow!! You can’t get any clearer than that. And people wonder why the honest, hard-working, tax-paying “legal” residents have so much anger over the “illegal” immigrant situation here.

    • Doc Sarvis

      It is not unlikely that Jose does pay taxes for government services. Also, Jose’s real name is Jose SeekingWorkToHelpHisFamily.

      • Rick Quill

        And if you truly believe that Doc I’ve got a bridge to nowhere that I’ll sell you.

        • Doc Sarvis

          What do you not believe from my statement above?

      • Rick Quill

        p.s. And the price would be a “steal” (wink wink).

      • http://aol wayne a

        doc sarvis,you’re really lacking alot upstairs.a survey done a few months ago said 62% of the illegals PAY NO TAXES! and if an illegal wants to earn a livingfor his family here in the US,he can do it legally.if not,get the hell out!!!!!

        • Doc Sarvis

          When they go to the store to buy food they pay taxes, when they buy gas they pay taxes. I think that is called Paying Taxes.

          • JeffH

            Wow!…that was pure brilliance Doc! Maybe you should run for president…or better yet, director of DHS!

          • Angel

            Except welfare recipients pay no taxes on food! The taxes they MIGHT pay in no way makes up for how they have raped the system with free education, medical care, a check and food stamps as well as subsidized housing in many cases?

          • kilrntex

            That’s the only time any of you Demonicrats pay any taxes. If dems paid their fair share of income taxes, our nation wouldn’t be broke. It’s easy to call for increased taxes when you aren’t paying any. What a bunch of parasites you are.

          • Doc Sarvis

            Jeff H. Thank you. I imagine many of their employers take taxes out of their paycheck

            Angel, How many of them receive welfare? As for rape of the system, you might want to consider many of our large corporations. Oh, and then there is the environmental rape – BP and the like.

            kilrntex, If you are referring to me, I’ve always proudly paid my taxes but I am an Independent.

    • Mick for thought

      So either spend an incredible fortune trying to keep our border closed, come down hard on those who employ them and boot all illegal aliens who do not have American kids anchoring them to the USA or help Joe illegal find a path to citizenship so he can pay his share of taxes also. Which supports our constitution and and is fiscally responsible?

      • http://aol wayne a

        mick,so youre trying to say making jose legal supports our constitution? you’re full of @#$%^!all American citizens,illegals are not citizens,they’re criminals.a cheap way to secure our borders is to put plenty of signs warning that an area along the border is mined,then i’m sure most wouldn’t risk it.if they try it, they were warned!

        • Mick for thought

          It was a question. Any idea how much it would cost to build a mine-field along our border with Mexico? Hom many American’s property you would have to take over to do it. Think a little.

          • Smilee

            Think a little?? are not you asking the impossible here????

          • Mick for thought

            smilee are you responding to me or wayne?

          • Smilee

            Mick responding to your post about your message to Wayne “think a little”

    • http://libraryjp225@yahoo.com Janice Palesch

      Mary, this is a perfect summary of the disparaties in our current system. It is so good, in fact, that I am forwarding a copy of it, if you don’t mind, to a friend of mine in Greece, who does not understand what the issue is, relative to illegals. I could not, with 23 years of education, have put it in clearer terms. Thank you.

    • http://libraryjp225@yahoo.com Janice Palesch

      I have read all of the posts here. In my humble opinion, some are very logical; others are not. Some are well thought out; others are not. I will not fingerpoint here, but I would like to comment on the subject of taxes paid by illegals.

      Certainly, illegals pay taxes on commodities, like gasoline, merchandise, food, vehicles, etc., just as the rest of us do. But, that is not the source of most of the revenue, which provides for the social services, which they utilize, such as schools, fire and police protection, roads and bridges, the common defense of this nation per the military, the maintenance of our governmental buildings and the salaries and other expenditures of our government at every level: local, state, and federal. The bulk of those resources come from income and other taxes. Those are the taxes, which illegals are not paying. Those taxes include deductions for social security, among other things.

      Illegals cannot be paying social security and federal and state income taxes, simply and logically because they do not have a valid social security account with its attendant number and card, which is required, in order to pay into those taxes. (When a person applies for a social security card, he/she is given a number, and an account is opened in their name with that number on it. That is the account into which henceforth all social security payments from withholding are made for that particular person. If a person is an immigrant – as were my mother and her parents – that person must provide proof of birth, legal admission into this country, residency, and citizenship, in order to have a social security account and number assigned to them. For a legal resident alien, that person must provide his/her green card.) If an illegal has a social security card, it is fraudulent and invalid, because he/she cannot obtain one legally if he/she is not in this country legally. No employer can pay into a social security account on behalf of an illegal, simply because he/she does not have such an actual account with a valid number. If a SSN is attempted to be used, but it belongs to a deceased person, that would show up in the system as “retired” (because it had belonged to someone who is no longer living).

      No employer would knowingly take the risk of sending information to the social security administration on behalf of an illegal employee with an invalid, fraudulent social security card, simply for the purposes of paying into the federal system on his behalf. That means that the employer of an illegal is violating the law, not only by employing the illegal, but also by failing to pay into the social security system and into the federal and state tax system on his behalf. As I see it, the employer is twice as guilty as the illegal. He should be punished accordingly. Fittingly, his entire business ought to be confiscated. Afterall, he is operating it illegally (by employing illegals in the first place), and he is evading his tax obligations (by failing to pay into the system on their behalf).

      Some have said that illegals do not file income tax returns, so they are not able to get refunds, which might be due them. That is a fallacious argument. An illegal does not have a valid and legal SSN account in the first instance, to either pay into – or seek a refund from – the tax system. Moreover, an illegal cannot legitimately get a refund of any kind from another person’s SSN account (which seems to be the predominant means of obtaining a false SSN.)

      If the employers of illegals are “withholding” social security and other federal and state taxes from their paychecks, I would submit to you that said employers are pocketing the money deducted and not remitting it to the government at all. That is theft, any way you slice it. It is theft from the illegal and it is theft from the government. In such cases, the employer should be prosecuted for fraud and income tax evasion.

      Most of the people I have come across, who are the most strident proponents of employing illegals, are, themselves, employers of illegals, either as groundskeepers, nannies, housekeepers, or for other commercial purposes . Their arguments reveal their vested interests in continuing the unseemly practice of the creation and continuation of this new “slave class”, with which American workers cannot – and should not have to – compete, particularly in their own country. Beyond that, this country fought a civil war, which ended the notion that we will tolerate and legalize a “slave class”. That is one part of our history, which cannot and must not be revived.

      One other issue. I would like to thank all of you for so graciously permitting me to post here. Although we do not agree on some issues, it is quite clear that we do agree on others. It is always healthy and helpful to have a full exchange of ideas.

  • Chaos factor

    William… True… This problem started before Obama was born….and it’s clear Chip Wood and most of the rightwing posters in here are more interested in taking a crack at president Obama… Which means nothin gets accomplished…. It’s the 14th amendment were talking about …

  • Mick for thought

    Was this an argument when Canadians came into the US without papers and got citizenship because of their kids? History shows us that each wave of immigration, legal and illegal was met with resistance. This was true of the Irish, Italians and more recently the Eastern Europeans and Russians after the wall came down.

    When the wall came down in Germany and Germany reunited their Eastern and Western halves there was a huge influx of the East Germans moving West for jobs. Suddenly they wanted their Turkish and Greek immigrant workers to go home so Germans could have those jobs.

    Is this issue about the drugs pouring across the border from Mexico and the criminal element with it. Is this a new issue, NOT. It has been going on forever.

    Most of us are children of immigrants. Mine arrived before we broke off from England but many came in after as a benefit of the 14th amendment. If this law was good enough for our families why is no longer good enough for others who want to be part of the American dream?
    Please do not give me the nonsense about they are here for a free ride. Sure some are but most just want to work and provide a better chance for their children. Just like our father’s father did.

    • http://aol wayne a

      mick,sure immigration has always met with some resistance but most of the immigration was done within the laws.all countries have immigration but no country in the world allows illegals into their country!most either imprision them or worst,they shoot them.yet we’re suppose to let in 20 million illegals that flaunted our laws!poor little illegals,all they want is to fullfill their dreams,most people don’t have a problem with immigrants,its the illegal immigrants.let them do it legally,if not get the hell out!!!!

      • Mick for thought

        Then give me a reasonable solution that the majority of Americans will back you on.

        • JeffH

          ENFORCE CURRENT IMMIGRATION LAWS! DEPORT ILLEGALS! I think the American people would support current laws. Don’t you?

          • Jana

            JeffH,

            Yes, yes, yes they would!!!

          • Mick for thought

            Yes JeffH I agree with you. I was asking the other blogger to say something constructive.

  • Laura Schlegel

    With so many critcal issues on their plate, our representatives need the poitical will to tackle Humane Comprehensive Immigration Reform, so keep the pressure on them but don’t take your eye of the real underying problems: gun, drug, human traffickers, not people that come here to contribute to our society and economy, while they seek a better life. Remember the biggest drain on our economy are the banksters that gambled it away with devasting global ripple affects.The decades of deregualting the corporatocracy, giving them personhood and free speech = $ rights, as they outsource/off shore tax evade/gamble away our economy/union bust so they can exploit people,economy, animals, pollute our food chain, water & air, control our media, airbrush our textbooks, yet make record profits/CEO compensation and tax cuts during war mongering have rendered US devastating results. Exploitive profiteering does not trickle down; it only destroys the American Dream or upward mobility for all, by concentrating wealth & power to the few…our forefathers/illegal immigrants came here to escape from this!
    We are in crisis mode and need all hands on deck to contribute to comrehensive humane solutions based on sound debate or we are wasting precious time and energy. “We all do well, when everyone does well”

    • Chaos Factor

      Laura…. Great post…

    • JeffH

      As long as “man” lives, there will never be “comrehensive humane solutions”. Man is the worst animal on earth and nothing has change in the last 5–7 million years. As long as greed and power exists in man, comrehensive humane solutions will not. Welcome to the real world.

    • Allan

      Marx and Lenin would aprove.

  • Mick for thought

    14th amendment in its entirety. Try not to pick and choose. The whole thing is the law of the United States.
    Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
    Section 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

    Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may, by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

    Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

    Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

  • Penni Eads

    We all need to remember that hard work, perseverance, and education are paramount, that we must learn qualities such as honesty, good will, resolution, faith in God, humility, courage, purity, reverence, sincerity, temperance, balance, integrity, conviction, endurance, gratitude, joy, and love. We can make a difference in the world by just being a good person. Let us all search within and pour out our hearts in prayer that our eyes may be opened and that we might receive guidance from our God in Heaven that our nation might be saved from corruption and wickedness! Let us search the scriptures and search for truth in the constitution and in the formation of this great country and remember that the constitution was created mainly to protect us, our property, our lives, and our freedom to worship God. The constitution does not allow for welfare and health care, but we should have law enforcement and the military to aid in the protection of the people for those who cannot govern themselves. People can, of their own volition, provide assistance to neighbors in need. The government has overstepped its bounds! We are created in the image of God and have the ability to provide for ourselves and our families, friends, and neighbors, given the protection of the government, created by and for the people. We need so much LESS government. May all our eyes be opened to the truth!

    • Mick for thought

      First line:
      We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

    • Laura Schlegel

      How has less governemnt/deregulation, lack of sound consumer/environment protections and free trade markets worked for US? How does governemnt that duped US into a war based on lies w/tax cuts and enacted the big gov’t Patriot Act worked for US? I think it’s clear that instead of US arguing for less/more or big vs small government, we need to stand up strong for a goveernment that works for “We the People” rights/profits instead of being run by corporate profiteering interests. Reality proves, when large numbers of people are losing jobs, homes, healthcare they fall thru many cracks, lacking more & more resources to help themselves or each other. Therefore as conscientious people, we must learn from what policies created these inequities and what policies foster a healthy environment for Life, Liberty, Pursuit of Happiness/upward mobilty for all:)
      Without access to quality healthcare & education for all, consumer, envirnmental, trade, job, manufacturing, food, water & safety protections, campaign & finance reform, fair tax structure, we clearly fall down:(

      • JeffH

        Laura Schlegel…liberal yada yada yada…

        • Mick for thought

          JeffH. You have a great mind. I expected better of you. Take on the comments point-by-point.

      • http://aol wayne a

        laura get your facts straight!the evidence that the cia had about WMD was presented to bush ,the same evidence that was presented to the committee made up of rep and dem. who voted to send it to congress with their support where 100% of congress voted to go into iraq! so duped,i don’t think so.as far as the patriot act,there was no fewer than 12 planned attacks on the US prevented and we never came under attack under bush!

      • Smilee

        Laura,

        Thanks for a really well thought out post the likes of which seldom see on here and Jeff and Wayne’s responses to your post is as almost always just the talking points of far right wingnuts that contribute nothing to intelligent discourse of which you seem highly skilled at, again thanks for your post, it is a breathe of fresh air on here.

        • JeffH

          The recipe for your perpetual ignorance is: Be satisfied with your opinions and content with your knowledge.

  • Marilyn

    I worked in the healthcare system for 30 years and I have traveled throughout the U.S. during those years!
    With our present healthcare system, which BO want to replace in order to control us, I know from experience that anyone, no matter how poor or how sick is automatically accepted into the majority of
    hospitals anywhere in this country. ALL HOSPITALS have special funds set up to accommodate people who genuinely cannot pay for their care WHATEVER IT MAY BE and that includes surgeries! We have the best healthcare system in the world. That is why so many people come here from Canada and Europe for treatment. You can get it nearly instantaneously and it is the best! With Bo’s wonderful idea of this you will be required to make an appointment through a government official who knows nothing about healthcare but who will make an appointment for you with A DOCTOR, you may not even know! MAYBE within 4 to 6 months you will get to see this joker for 5 minutes and if you need surgery it may be several years while in the meantime you may die! Thats how it will be and you will see that is the way it is! Unfortunately it will be too late to change once it is done because it has taken years of constant advancement in this country to perfect the system we now enjoy! What BO wants to do is totally wreck
    it in order to control YOU! By the way I have copies of the last 2 bilsl that congress passed and it also covers ALL ILLEGALS and we will supply translators for them. MONEY, MONEY, MONEY out of all of our pockets. Since I am over 55, I and all others overage will not be able to access a lot of the healthcare
    because we are considered non-productive! I worked until I was 72!

    • American liberal

      Marilyn ..your post is nonsense and you should be ashamed….show up at ” any hospital” like you claim with a bad case of cancer and no coverage …see what happens…. They can’t treat you in the emergency room..

      • Rick Quill

        Actually American Liberal “YOU” should be ashamed. Ashamed that you are not educated and no nothing about what you comment on. Ashamed that you allow yourself to led so easily by the Socialist regime now known as Progressives and have allowed them to brainwash you. Perhaps when you are finally led like a sheep to slaughter by your Demoncrats the lightbulb in your head will come on but by then it will be too late. I would advise you to seek enlightment but it is obvious you are beyond enlightenment. I’ve always refused to believe in that old adage that “you can’t teach an old dog new tricks” but in your case I’ll make an exception to my refusal.

      • http://aol wayne a

        amer lib,you are wrong,every major city in the US has a hospital that will treat anyone no matter if they can pay or not.and no hospital can turn someone away with immediate life threatening conditions!

      • Angel

        You SHOULD be ashamed of yourself. I, too am a retired medical professional and Marilyn is EXACTLY right in what she is saying!

      • Mick for thought

        AL have to agree with the others. You will get treated. You will be given financial aid forms and probably get 80-100% of your care for free. This just means the bill gets passed on those who are insured by jacked up billing. This is why the Health Care reform bill will save money in the long run. With more people covered it is less likely an uninsured person will show up asking for financial aid.

    • Rick Quill

      You are so enlightened Marilyn. I lived/was stationed in Britain for 4 years in the early 90′s and was relegated to the NHS for all of my healthcare needs due to there not being any billets for a U.S. military doctor there. All I can say about the NHS and any other socialized medicine is that it is “GROSSLY” inadequate. If these pro-Obamacare nutjobs had ever lived under the British, Canadian or similiar healthcare system they would be singing a different tune. I know of a gal who was diagnosed after a trip to an emergency room that she needed a triple bypass surgery. The bad news?……she had to wait 6 months for the procedure. Of all the Brits I worked with just about everyone of them said the healthcare system was great provided all you had was a common cold or flu but anything more serious was hopeless. Britain had to, for the most part, resort to eliminating access to drugs above aspirin and low-level antibiotics. Their medical professionals are for the most part fed up with the system and once their “indentured” status is over many relocate to the U.S. to continue their practice because they know they can at least try and help and cure the sick. At least they used to relocate to the U.S.. That probably won’t be the case now since Obamacare was rammed and crammed down our throats even though an overwhelming majority of Americans objected to the bill. It’s been proven that cancer patients there have a much lower chance of surviving than those in the U.S. and the same holds true for just about every other typically fatal disease or condition. Well now we know what we as Americans have to look forward to should we be unfortunate enough to be diagnosed with any serious ailment.

    • Mick for thought

      I still work in the health care system. Last week a man I have known for 10 years came into my clinic. He is a hard working nonunion construction worker for 40 years. He has his house paid for, has saved a nice little retirement nest egg but he tells me with tears in his eyes that his wife, who almost always came in with him, got hurt back in February 10. She slipped and fell on a wet spot in the kitchen; falling backwards she struck her head on the counter and broke her neck. She is now a complete quadriplegic with no chance at recovery. She is a full service facility for people in her condition. His insurance through his employer covered 80% of the initial costs but has dwindled to 40%. Do you have any idea how much 60% of this kind of care costs. The husband is selling their home and cashing in their savings but only expects that money to last 2 years at best. This can happen to anyone at this blog.

      • Smilee

        Mick

        You are right, this is very common in this country, one look at our bankruptcy courts will confirm this time and time again and this will happen to this guy too after he is done spending down his net worth way below zero. Marilyn’s post is ridiculous, can you believe she thinks you will have to get your Dr. appointments through the government under the new law, she should be ashamed for spreading these lies and then Rick, Wayne and Angel rubber stamping her lies they should be ashamed too and American Liberal deserves a pat on the back for having the courage for calling this phony out for her deceptive ways.

        • JeffH

          I think I should understand that better, if I had it written down: but I can’t quite follow it as you say it.

          • Mick for thought

            JeffH to be succinct

            His wife is paralyzed for life with a high cervical injury that leaves her barely able to breath let alone use her arms in the slightest.

            His insurance covered 80% with the initial injury and now it covers 40% of her time in long term care. The 60% he is paying is wiping out his savings and forced him to sell his house.

            Sorry about the jumbled sentence structure. Kind of hard to type when a 4 year old and 8 year old little girl are fighting.

          • JeffH

            Mick, my comment was not directed towards your post…

  • kate8

    Great article today, Chip.

    These issues need to be brought much more to the forefront and addressed. Thanks.

    • Smilee

      These issues are nothing more than a figment of his imagination that takes the form of propaganda to rile up the far right troops

  • American liberal

    It must drive you rightys nuts that president Obamas so popular with the American public…..and he’s most likely to be our president till 2016… Concidering he’s been in office only 18 months he’s accomplished a lot….we would be living in caves had McCain and Palin been elected….

    • Rick Quill

      Yeah! Right!! Accomplished so much towards the idealogy of Communism/Facism and their end goal of taking over our nation. Sounds like you can’t wait for them to institute their total 100% control over your weak mind and that it couldn’t happen too soon. Why don’t you just pack your belongings and haul your Ass to one of the countries that are already under Communist rule and oppressing their people. Once there you will finally be able to sigh a huge sigh of relief that you have finally made it to your idea of Utopia.

    • del

      your pres has the lowest approval rate in history

      • Smilee

        WOW he is over twenty points above dear old GW his last year in office, sorry to bust your bubbble

    • http://aol wayne a

      obama popular,three different polls published last week had obama anywhere from 42-46% approval rating.you call that popular?

    • Allan

      If I think of this as comedy, it’s easier to read.

    • http://donaldson16@verizon.net sixgun

      Obama is popular because people have been brainwashed by the bullshit he spoon fed them and people are blind to the fact of whats going on.Yes i agree he accomplished alot added to the national debt with his “obamacare”,taking away our rights slowly,proven himself to be a smug arrogant piece of shit.I could go on but yeah he accomplished alot.And if you dont think his socilist policies wont effect you because you admire him think again.Oh by the way if he is SO popular why the need for protests,why the tea party movement,why are more republicans getting elected?Oh as far as him being in office til 2016 dont be so sure his popularity is dwindiling because people are finaly pulling there heads out of there asses (many more need to do the same)but yeah people are waking up.You wont admit it because you admire him but his popularity is fading.

  • william ahrens

    eddie47d

    Incentive! We already give them incentive allowing Mexico to export their poverty North. We’re Mexico’s safety valve. We’ve also moved much of our manufacturing SOB (South of the border) to try to keep their asses home but the problem is so large it isn’t working. Mexico has a vast gap between the have’s and have nots. The have nots have little hope save coming to the US and for whatever reason our government has not protected from what amounts to a forign invasion, which is by definition malfeasance. Its claimed they come here to do work we as Americans refuse to do. That’s partially true because for decades Americans would not work for poverty wages the illegals will happly work for because its way better than what they can get in their country. Like us, Mexicans need to take back their country. The power elete in Mexico like it the way they have it and any revolution that might boil up is mitigated by the hope we provide.
    I would not mind if Mexicans came here to work in those areas they’ve traditionally done such as agraculture and other service industries. But I want it regulated and strictly controlled. I want to be sure they’re are not bringing TB or other dangerious diseases into my country. I don’t forign criminals here. We have enough of our own, many in politics. Control the border and keep the drugs out. If guest workers want a path to citizenship let them work it through the regular channels. The world is full of desperate people who would love to come here. Why should Mexicans be favored just because of convienent geography?

  • American liberal

    Scott Brown…..,this republican seems like good politician….

  • Chaos Factor

    Yep.. Scott Browns a moderate republican….. Most of the republican party has been takenover by rightwing radicals..

    • Angel

      Scott Brown is a RINO and with the other Republicans who supported him, in their support, they violated the Republican Platform!

      • Smilee

        Angel

        Congratulations, Your the first that I know of to accuse him of that, but I knew it would happen sooner or later, your purity test will make the republican party a true minority party if you don’t soon quit kicking out all these good people and diminishing your political influence. Keep up the good work and it will just be a matter of time.

      • Mick for thought

        The problem with the Republican platform is the tight constraints of the box enclosing its electorate. It does not allow them to problem solve and think outside the box which results in the constant stream of NO answer coming from those inside the box.

  • Vincent L.

    The truth of the matter is that the US Immigration problem was allowed to get out of hand by both The Democrats (liberals) and Republicans (conservative) equally. Many neo-conservative business owners exploited the cheap labor that illegal immigrants bring. The Democrat liberals usually look the other way and advocate amnesty to win new votes and spread the political correct agenda of multiculturism. This is all at the expense of this nation. Now we are having this big illegal immigrant INVASION of 20 million plus illegal aliens, most of which are coming from the failed country of Mexico, and people are suddenly wondering what happened! Republicans and Democrats are equally to blame. The problem with most Republicans is that they pay lip service to freedom and The Constitution, etc. but when it comes to our personal lives ie: protecting privacy, Patriot Act, warrantless wiretapping, anti-freedom of choice, pursuing senseless drug war and other victimless crimes, etc., they have no problem with trampling the Constitution. Repubs like Bush are neo-con scum, who are no better than the liberal Marxist Democrats in power right now. Now it is simply a matter of do you want neo-con corporatism/fascism with the Repubs or do you want European style-socialist democracy and Marxism from the ultra-liberal Dems. Either way you look at it, we are headed for a BIG GOVERNMENT NANNY-STATE. Ideally, what we need is a way smaller Govt. that is fiscally (economically) conservative and socially liberal. THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY is America’s only hope!!!

    • Vincent L.

      DOWN WITH FASCIST NEO-CONS (BUSH)!!! DOWN WITH MARXIST LIBERALS (OBAMA)!!! GIVE THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY YOUR VOTE !!

      • DaveH

        The Libertarian Party Platform:
        http://libertarianparty.org/platform

      • Mick for thought

        Have been looking at the libertarian party closely. Their platform makes me wonder how we will support the essential elements of government. I am waiting for them to mature their ideals with reality but I have not ruled them out.

        • DaveH

          Matured? Essential Services of the Government? Maybe you can tell me what the Government does better than the private sector? And I’m not talking about things they have a guaranteed monopoly on, such as the Military.

    • Angel

      I echo that except for ONE thing…the Constitution Party is the only hope!

      • Smilee

        Then you have no hope at all

      • DaveH

        The Constitution Party is decidedly bent to the Religious side and advocates meddling with peoples’ personal choices. They’re really not much different than the Republican Party.

    • Mick for thought

      Bingo

  • American liberal

    Wallstreet reform…..looks like we might have some reform there too… If we can keep the republicans from watering it down…good for Obama..

  • KATHLEEN

    Hey American liberal . . . why don’t leave the U.S.A. and find a SOCIALIST country? Sounds like you’d be happy there.

    • American liberal

      Hey Kathleen…. In case you haven’t noticed were running this country …. We won the election… President Obama still has an approval poll twice as high as any Neo Con or republican…. So why don’t you find a nice Racist or facist country where you might fit in… Because this is Americas…

      • Mick for thought

        I will probably get Barb shoving me into the liberal box again for telling you that you make some great points. I have noted that most of the replies to you degrade into name calling as they channel Rush and Glenn. Keep up the good work I enjoy your slant on the debate. Some people here think freedom of speech is for them only.

        • DaveH

          Are you kidding us Mick?
          Am Lib says “So why don’t you find a nice Racist or facist country where you might fit in”.
          And you say he makes some great points, but put others down as being name-callers?
          And then you whine about us putting you in a Liberal box? It’s time to come out of the box, Mick. If you walk like a Liberal and quack like a Liberal, you are a Liberal. Own it.
          And you consider yourself the voice of reason. Laughable.

          • Mick for thought

            Did you see me write, “Every thing you say is brilliant.” I said SOME great points. Stop reading between my lines. As an independent I try hard to understands everyone’s point of view without name calling.

          • DaveH

            Maybe next time, Mick, you could choose a better Am Lib comment to post behind than one where he name-calls and posts misinformation. Good luck finding such.
            And you can call yourself independent all you want but the evidence says otherwise.

          • Mick for thought

            Below was the good point from ALs comments. Good as in true. Did you see the mud thrown in the previous sections just because of the disagreement or do you always focus on the negative. My favorite blogger on this site is JeffH. Does that make me a conservative. I am me and I will own my own mind.

            Hey Kathleen…. In case you haven’t noticed were running this country …. We won the election… President Obama still has an approval poll twice as high as any Neo Con or republican….

      • JeffH

        Seems that only 28% of th people are strongly approving of the job Obama is doing. 43% strongly disapprove. Twist and shout all you like, it won’t change the actual fact that Obama’s approval rating has dropped significantly since his inauguration.

        The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows that 28% of the nation’s voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president. Forty-three percent (43%) Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -15

      • http://aol wayne a

        hey amer lib,its pathetic when you have to make things up to try to prove your point!just last week there were three polls taken and published that had obamas approval rating at between 42-46%.popular.he hasn’t had an approval rating above 50% in six months!popular? lol lol

      • DaveH

        As usual, American Liberal is making up his fantasy facts. Show us the meat, Am Lib. This is a poll taken after 6 months of Obama (when he would be still in his fairy tale stage):
        http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2012/2012_match_ups_obama_romney_tied_at_45_obama_48_palin_42

        What do you think you gain, Liberal, when you just spout unsupported “facts”?

  • JeffH

    Chip Woods, another fine article and totally accurate…you obviously have done your homework…Thank You Chip!

    THE 14TH AMENDMENT – EQUAL PROTECTION LAW OR TOOL OF USURPATION

    Congressional Record — House
    June 13, 1967 H7161

    (Mr. Rarick (at the request of Mr. Pryor) was granted permission to extend his remarks at this point in the Record and to include extraneous matter.)

    Mr. RARICK. Mr. Speaker, arrogantly ignoring clear-cut expressions in the Constitution of the United States, the declared intent of its drafters notwithstanding, our unelected Federal judges read out prohibitions of the Constitution of the United States by adopting the fuzzy haze of the 14th Amendment to legislate their personal ideas, prejudices, theories, guilt complexes, aims, and whims. Through the cooperation of intellectual educators, we have subjected ourselves to accept destructive use and meaning of words and phrases. We blindly accept new meanings and changed values to alter our traditional thoughts. We have tolerantly permitted the habitual misuse of words to serve as a vehicle to abandon our foundations and goals. Thus, the present use and expansion of the 14th Amendment is a sham–{H7162} serving as a crutch and hoodwink to precipitate a quasi-legal approach for overthrow of the tender balances and protections of limitation found in the Constitution.

    But, interestingly enough, the 14th Amendment–whether ratified or not–was but the expression of emotional outpouring of public sentiment following the War Between Our States. Its obvious purpose and intent was but to free human beings from ownership as a chattel by other humans. Its aim was no more than to free the slaves.

    As our politically appointed Federal judiciary proceeds down their chosen path of chaotic departure from the peoples’ government by substituting their personal law rationalized under the 14th Amendment, their actions and verbiage brand them and their team as secessionists–rebels with pens instead of guns–seeking to destroy our Union.

    H. Con. Res. 208
    A concurrent resolution to expose the unconstitutionality of the 14th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States; to interpose the sovereignty of the State of Louisiana against the execution of said amendment in this State; to memorialize the Congress of the United States to repeal its joint resolution of July 28, 1868, declaring that said amendment had been ratified; and to provide for the distribution of certified copies of this resolution.

    The Joint Resolution proposing the 14th Amendment 9 was never presented to the President of the United States for his approval, as President Andrew Johnson stated in his message on June 22, 1866. 10 Therefore the Joint Resolution did not take effect.

    III. Proposed Amendment never Ratified by Three Fourths of the States

    1. Pretermitting the ineffectiveness of said resolution, as above, fifteen (15) States out of the then thirty seven (37) States of the Union rejected the proposed 14th Amendment between the date of its submission to the States by the Secretary of State on June 16, 1866, and March 24, 1868, thereby further nullifying said resolution and making it impossible for its ratification by the constitutionally required three fourths of such States, as shown by the rejections thereof by the Legislatures of the following States:

    Texas rejected the 14th Amendment on October 27, 1866. 11

    Georgia rejected the 14th Amendment on November 9, 1866. 12

    Florida rejected the 14th Amendment on December 6, 1866. 13

    Alabama rejected the 14th Amendment on December 7, 1866. 14

    Arkansas rejected the 14th Amendment on December 17, 1866. 15

    North Carolina rejected the 14th Amendment on December 17, 1866. 16

    South Carolina rejected the 14th Amendment on December 20, 1866. 17

    Kentucky rejected the 14th Amendment on January 8, 1867. 18

    Virginia rejected the 14th Amendment on January 9, 1867. 19

    Louisiana rejected the 14th Amendment on February 6, 1867. 20

    Delaware rejected the 14th Amendment on February 7, 1867. 21

    Maryland rejected the 14th Amendment on March 23, 1867. 22

    Mississippi rejected the 14th Amendment on January 31, 1867. 23

    Ohio rejected the 14th Amendment on January 15, 1868. 24

    New Jersey rejected the 14th Amendment on March 24, 1868. 25
    http://www.civil-liberties.com/cases/14con.html

    • JeffH

      …continued from above…

      The Constitution makes it the sworn duty of the judges to uphold the Constitution which strikes with nullity the 14th Amendment. And, as Chief Justice Marshall pointed out for a unanimous Court in Marbury v. Madison (1 Cranch 136 @ 179):

      “The framers of the constitution contemplated the instrument as a rule for the government of courts, as well as of the legislature.”

      ..“Why does a judge swear to discharge his duties agreeably to the constitution of the United States, if that constitution forms no rule for his government?”

      ..If such be the real state of things, that is worse than solemn mockery. To prescribe, or to take this oath, becomes equally a crime.”

      ..“Thus, the particular phraseology of the constitution of the United States confirms and strengthens the principle, supposed to be essential to all written constitutions … courts, as well as other departments, are bound by that instrument.”

      The federal courts actually refuse to hear argument on the invalidity of the 14th Amendment, even when the issue is presented squarely by the pleadings and the evidence as above. Only an aroused public sentiment in favor of preserving the Constitution and our institutions and freedoms under constitutional government, and the future security of our country, will break the political barrier which now prevents judicial consideration of the unconstitutionality of the 14th Amendment.

      • DaveH

        The bottom line, Jeff, is that the politicians are going to do whatever they damn well please until the voters wake up and throw the rascals out.
        Just last week, here in Arizona, the voters supposedly approved by a landslide a “temporary” increase in the Sales tax to avoid the usual predicted cutbacks in schools, firemen, and police. Does that sound familiar? California has been using the same tactics for decades and they still can’t balance their budget.
        Good Grief. Can’t people just wise up before everything collapses instead of waiting until it actually happens?

        • JeffH

          Dave H, therein lies the problem…until we toss em out on their heads they’ll continue to abuse the American people.

        • Angel

          Yep…I voted NO on Prop 100 for all the good it did!

  • Harry in AZ

    Regarding the “anchor baby” instant citizenship issue, I believe it started in 1986 with the inconceived “immigration reform” bill that President Reagan unfortunately signed. It certainly is not “constitutionally guaranteed.” If it were, when my father was born in 1893 in Poukeepsie, N.Y., my grandfather Israel – who came to this country (legally) in 1883 – would have become a U.S. citizen as well without the necessity of going through the involved, demanding but necessary process of naturalization. That, of course, did not happen.

  • Harry in AZ

    Correction to my post of 11:34 a.m. May 21
    it should be “the ill-conceived immigration…”
    and
    “born in 1893 in Poughkeepsie…”

  • US Patriot

    This is sad but true..what do you think?

    You have two families: “Joe Legal” and “Jose Illegal”.
    Both families have two parents, two children, and live in California.

    Joe Legal works in construction, has a Social Security Number and makes $25.00 per hour with taxes deducted.

    Jose Illegal also works in construction, has NO Social Security Number, and gets paid $15.00 cash “under the table”.

    Ready? Now pay attention…

    Joe Legal: $25.00 per hour x 40 hours = $1000.00 per week, or $52,000.00 per year. Now take 30% away for state and federal tax; Joe Legal now has $31,231.00.

    Jose Illegal: $15.00 per hour x 40 hours = $600.00 per week, or
    $31,200.00 per year. Jose Illegal pays no taxes. Jose Illegal now has
    $31,200.00.

    Joe Legal pays medical and dental insurance with limited coverage for his family at $600.00 per month, or $7,200.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $24,031.00.

    Jose Illegal has full medical and dental coverage through the state and local clinics at a cost of $0.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has
    $31,200.00.

    Joe Legal makes too much money and is not eligible for food stamps or
    welfare. Joe Legal pays $500.00 per month for food, or $6,000.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $18,031.00.

    Jose Illegal has no documented income and is eligible for food stamps and welfare. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.

    Joe Legal pays rent of $1,200.00 per month, or $14,400.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $9,631.00.

    Jose Illegal receives a $500.00 per month federal rent subsidy. Jose
    Illegal pays out that $500.00 per month, or $6,000.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.

    Joe Legal pays $200.00 per month, or $2,400.00 for insurance. Joe Legal now has $7,231.00.

    Jose Illegal says, “We don’t need no stinkin’ insurance!” and still has $31,200.00.

    Joe Legal has to make his $7,231.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, etc.

    Jose Illegal has to make his $31,200.00 stretch to pay utilities,
    gasoline, and what he sends out of the country every month.

    Joe Legal now works overtime on Saturdays or gets a part time job after work.

    Jose Illegal has nights and weekends off to enjoy with his family.

    Joe Legal’s and Jose Illegal’s children both attend the same school. Joe Legal pays for his children’s lunches while Jose Illegal’s children get a government sponsored lunch. Jose Illegal’s children have an after school ESL program. Joe Legal’s children go home.

    Joe Legal and Jose Illegal both enjoy the same police and fire services, but Joe paid for them and Jose did not pay.

    Do you get it, now?

    If you vote for or support ANY politician that supports illegal aliens…YOU are part of the problem!

    It’s way PAST time to take a stand for America and Americans! VOTE ‘EM ALL OUT IN 2010!!!!!

    What are you waiting for?

    • DaveH

      Patriot,
      Most of your examples occur as a result of Big Government. Fretting over the illegals is just a band-aid. What we really need to do is cut the size of Government dramatically to stop them from sucking our country’s financial resources dry. Hong Kong and Singapore get by with Government Spending of less than half of ours. Why can’t we?
      Yes, the people who come here illegally should be sent home. But they are not the reason for our bad economy. The finger needs to be pointed squarely at the real perpetrator – Big Government.

  • JeffH

    THE 14th AMENDMENT IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL

    The purported 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution is and should be held to be ineffective, invalid, null, void and unconstitutional for the following reasons:

    1. The Joint Resolution proposing said amendment was not submitted to or adopted by a Constitutional Congress per Article I, Section 3, and Article V of the U. S. Constitution.

    2. The Joint Resolution was not submitted to the President for his approval as required by Article I, Section 7 of the U. S. Constitution.

    3. The proposed 14th Amendment was rejected by more than one-fourth of all the States then in the Union, and it was never ratified by three-fourths of all the States in the Union as required by Article V of the U. S. Constitution.

    THE UNCONSTlTUTIONAL CONGRESS

    The U. S. Constitution provides:

    Article I, Section 3. “The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each State”

    Article V provides: “No State, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in the Senate.”

    The fact that 28 Senators had been unlawfully excluded from the U. S. Senate, in order to secure a two-thirds vote for adoption of the Joint Resolution proposing the 14th Amendment is shown by Resolutions of protest adopted by the following State Legislatures:
    http://www.barefootsworld.net/14uncon.html

    • Smilee

      The president plays no role whatsoever in amending the constitution, except using the bully pulpit if he wants to

      • JeffH

        The federal courts actually refuse to hear argument on the invalidity of the 14th Amendment, even when the issue is presented squarely by the pleadings and the evidence as above.

        Only an aroused public sentiment in favor of preserving the Constitution and our institutions and freedoms under constitutional government, and the future security of our country, will break the political barrier which now prevents judicial consideration of the unconstitutionality of the 14th Amendment.

        • Smilee

          Jeffie

          Silly, you will never succeed this way your only option is to appeal or amend this amendment and that’s most likely not possible either, just seems like your argument has no legs what so ever

          • JeffH

            Your brightness need a bit of polishing up I’d say!

    • JeffH

      It may be helpful to know that the 14th amendment proclamations of July 20, 1868, cite 51, and July 28, 1868, cite 53, were issued as Presidential Executive Orders.

      Presidential Executive Order No. 6 **, issued July 20, 1868. Ratification of the 14th Amendment certified as valid, provided the consent of Ohio and New Jersey be deemed as remaining in force despite subsequent withdrawal. **Signed by William H. Seward, Secretary of State. Has the form of a proclamation.

      Presidential Executive Order No. 7 **, issued July 28, 1868. 14th Amendment certified as in effect and ordered published. **Signed by William H. Seward, Secretary of State.

      From Presidential Executive Order Title List — Presidential Executive Orders, 2 vols. (N.Y.: Books, Inc., 1944 Copyright by Mayor of N.Y. 1944), vol. 1, pp. 1-2.

      In this light the 14th (amendment), which has perplexed many, is an Executive Order, not an (Article) of Amendment to the Constitution of the united States of America, albeit a statute and so remains an Executive Order.

  • JeffH

    The Anti-Slavery Amendment and
    The Flawed Fourteenth Citizenship Amendment

    Addenda to
    “The Original Thirteenth Amendment, An Essay”

    “Their survival at stake, the monarchies sought to destroy or subvert the American system of government. Knowing they couldn’t destroy us militarily, they resorted to more covert methods of political subversion, employing spies and secret agents skilled in bribery and legal deception — it was, perhaps, the first “cold war”. Since governments run on money, politicians run for money, and money is the usual enticement to commit treason, much of the monarchy’s counter-revolutionary efforts emanated from English banks.”

    – David Dodge, 1991 –
    The excerpts below come from Dyett v. Turner, a March 22, 1968 opinion of the Utah Supreme Court. It is the official view of the Court on the flawed nature of the so-called Thirteenth and Fourteenth Amendments

    Treating on the Thirteenth Anti-Slavery Amendment

    General Robert E. Lee had surrendered his army on April 9, 1865, and General Joseph Johnston surrendered his 17 days later. [General Stand Watie surrendered on June 23, 1865.] Within a period of less than six weeks thereafter, not one [regular] Confederate soldier was bearing arms. By June 30, 1865, the Confederate states were all restored by presidential proclamation to their proper positions as states in an indissoluble union, and practically all citizens thereof had been granted amnesty. Immediately thereafter each of the seceding states functioned as regular states in the Union with both state and federal courts in full operation.

    President Lincoln had declared the freedom of the slaves as a war measure, but when the war ended, the effect of the proclamation was ended, and so it was necessary to propose and to ratify the [anti-slavery] Thirteenth Amendment in order to insure the freedom of the slaves.

    The 11 southern states having taken their rightful and necessary place in the indestructible Union proceeded to determine whether to ratify or reject the proposed [anti-slavery] Thirteenth Amendment. In order to become a part of the Constitution, it was necessary that the proposed amendment be ratified by 27 of the 36 states. Among those 27 states ratifying the [so-called] Thirteenth Amendment were 10 from the South, to wit, Louisiana, Tennessee, Arkansas, South Carolina, Alabama, North Carolina, Georgia, Mississippi, Florida, and Texas.

    When the 39th Congress assembled on December 5, 1865, the senators and representatives from the 25 northern states voted to deny seats in both houses of Congress to anyone elected from the 11 southern states. The full complement of senators from the 36 states of the Union was 72, and the full membership in the House was 240. Since it requires only a majority vote (Article I, Section 5, Constitution of the United States) to refuse a seat in Congress, only the 50 senators and 182 congressmen from the North were seated. All of the 22 senators and 58 representatives from the southern states were denied seats.
    http://www.barefootsworld.net/dyett.html

  • Kevin Miller

    Forgive my ignorance,but where in the 14th Ammendment does it allow
    for illegals? I went and found it on the ‘net and saw nothing allowing
    for illegals to be allowed Life,Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness.It’s
    read to be for any Actual citizens of our country.I believe it was
    made to help American Blacks(both former slaves and later)enjoy the rights afforded white citizens.Also,I read nothing about banning school prayer.Where is all this? I wish to know specifically AND…
    to learn how you came to your conclusions.

    • http://aol wayne a

      kevin it doesn’t! some like to stretch the truth to try to win an argument

  • barry tanner

    THANK YOU FOR SHARING THIS INFORMATION YOU ARE A GREAT AMERICAN

  • Jimminey Bop

    I can vouch for some of what Areucrazi says about the quality of work done by Mexican immirants – legal and illegal.
    I bought a condo in Florida. The builder used Mexicans of all trades, if they in fact had a trade, in the ocnstruction.
    After taking my first shower I discovered water coming out from under the baseboard!
    A neighbor could not cool his unit despite having the AC turned as low as it would go. An quaified American repairman found that the duct work in the crawl space above had come apart and that space was quite cool! The duct work not only had not been secured with sheet metal screws but there was not even the weakest attempt to join the seams with duct tape.
    The irrigation system is constantly falling apart because they did not use the proper PVC adhesive to join the pipes.
    I could have done a better job in taping, mudding and sanding the joints of the drywall!
    Some of the work or rough boxes were not secured to the joists or rafters.
    Exterior tiles by a retaining wall were laid in a media small enough to seep through the mesh designed to stop it from washing through the wall and as a result aafter several rains the tiles snak!
    The landscaaping was sloped towards the hallways and porches and a rise laid between that slope and the swail that waa to carry water away!
    Two by four styds were set out of line, the drywall was forced in to the bend over the out of line studs, the tile and cupboards were made to follow the, by then, severly out of level wall.
    Cosmetic sills and lentils were glued out of level giving the buillding the illudsion of sinking in the middle or at the ends!
    Yeah, we should continue to let them come here to do work. Their brains can handle picking vrops and that should be all that they are allowed to touch!

  • Duke

    …A new, unreported twist, the illegal immigrants are subverting the 14th amendment as it is…. Being ‘intouch’ with more than just a few hispanic Americans that reside in Arizona… I have learned a couple of things, 1st they hate the illegal’s which they call ‘bandittos’ or bandits and criminals. 2nd… what they are doing is, birthing children in Mexico, and then running across the border with their newborn and claiming the birth occurred on American soil to gain citizenship…via a false ‘anchor’ baby.
    These are not my assumptions, AS EVIDENCED BY THE ‘PILES’ OF NEWBORN ‘SIZED’ BABY DIAPERS STREWN ALONG THE U.S. SIDE OF THE BORDER…. but statements from legal Mexican Americans living in Arizona!

  • http://n/a PHIL

    We are all illegal immigrants apart from Native Americans and Black Americans,Period!! This Country belonged to the Native Indians and any argument contrary to that is delusional and idiotic.

    • US Patriot

      Phil: How can the early settlers be illegal aliens when there was no immigration law! You can only call something illegal when there is a law in place. In the beginning, the US was not an established nation it was just a piece of land like any other land that was considered to be uncivilized. Yes the American Indians like any other tribal people were here first but they only goverened their own tribes. Some Indians accepted the settlers and some settlers did not accept the Indians as well and that’s when the problem started. But when America started becoming a nation, the land was bought to form the 50 states. Just be glad they did or who knows where you’d be now…unless you are an American Indian of course but I’m sure you wouldn’t be 100%.

      • US Patriot

        Phil: P.S. Even though the blacks came against their will, it doesn’t make them legal(according to you)either! Also, Native Americans never claimed land as their own that is against their beliefs and to say contrary is disprespecting their beliefs and way of life. Who is a delusional idiot now?

        • http://n/a PHIL

          And having said that it doesn’t mean that I don’t love America,I do.Infact the American Constitution is one of the most smartest piece of document humanity has ever come up with.But I just detest blind,misguided and narrow Patriotism.To Love AMERICA should not be associated with “Breathing Fire” and Hate.

      • http://n/a PHIL

        Like I said US Patriot,any argument contrary to my statement is delusional and Idio… indeed your argument is delusional.Native Americans had their own unwritten tribal laws.The fact that one had superior fire-power and a way of documenting their own illegal Laws to supersede the Native laws,does not negate the fact that we are all here illegally.

        • US Patriot

          Phil: I never said that they did not have their own laws but their law was only to govern their own tribes, their laws did not consist of land ownership of any kind as they believe the earth and all living creatures should not be owned by any human being. You are using the wrong word, it would not be illegal as I stated before. Read your Hisory…the Indians that greeted the pilgrims welcomed them. And like I am saying now your delusional statement goes both ways. Don’t dish it if you cannot take it..turn around is fair play.

        • DaveH

          I guess you have it all sewed up, Phil. Any argument contrary to yours is “delusional and idio”? You have a very high opinion of yourself, don’t you?
          We are all immigrants. The “Native Americans” migrated from Asia. Yes, they were here first, but such is life. The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse to arrive gets the cheese.
          All of that is water under the bridge. What we need to do now is figure out how best to get along with our fellow human beings. And it doesn’t help a bit to force our way on others as the far-left is fond of doing.

          • Smilee

            We are still fighting treaty violations in court, Indians are winning most of them.

          • DaveH

            Smilee,
            I have a very big soft-spot in my heart for the Indians. And I do know that the White leaders (some blacks too) put money ahead of honoring agreements. We need to put people in office who respect voluntary contracts and the property of others.

    • JeffH

      Phil, “We are all illegal immigrants apart from Native Americans and Black Americans,Period!!”

      Use the contents of your skull and think about that comment for a moment.

      Beginning with eastern Asia, we find that the Americans, or in some instances their civilization only, are supposed to have come originally from China, Japan, India, Tartary, Polynesia. Three principal routes are proposed by which they may have come, — namely, Bering Strait, the Aleutian Islands, and Polynesia. The route taken by no means depends upon the original habitat of the immigrants: thus, the people of India may have immigrated to the north of Asia, and crossed Bering Strait, or the Chinese may have passed from one to the other of the Aleutian Islands until they reached the western continent. Bering Strait is, however, the most widely advocated, and perhaps most probable, line of communication. The narrow strait would hardly hinder any migration either east or west, especially as it is frequently frozen over in winter. At all events, it is certain that from time immemorial constant intercourse has been kept up between the natives on either side of the strait; indeed, there can be no doubt that they are one and the same people.

      The theory that America was peopled, or at least partly peopled, from eastern Asia, is certainly more widely advocated than any other, and, is moreover based upon a more reasonable and logical foundation than any other. It is true, the Old World may have been originally peopled from the New, and it is also true that the Americans may have had an autochthonic origin; but, if we must suppose that they have originated on another continent, then it is to Asia that we must first look for proofs of such an origin, at least so far as the people of northwestern America are concerned.

      In addition to the theory of a Chinese settlement in the fifth century, which we shall consider subsequently, there are theories of Mongol and Japanese settlement.

      In the thirteenth century the Mongol emperor Kublai Khan sent a formidable armament against Japan. The expedition failed, and the fleet was scattered by a violent tempest. Some of the ships, it is said, were cast upon the coast of Peru, and their crews are supposed to have founded the mighty empire of the Incas, conquered three centuries later by Pizarro.

      The Kuro Siwo, or “black stream,” commonly known as the Japan current, runs northward past the eastern coast of the Japan Islands, then curves round to the east and south, sweeping the whole west coast of North America, a branch, or eddy, moving towards the Sandwich Islands. A drifting wreck would be carried towards the American coast at an average rate of ten miles a day by this current.
      http://www.publicbookshelf.com/public_html/The_Great_Republic_By_the_Master_Historians_Vol_I/nativeame_c.html

      • US Patriot

        JeffH: I agree with you. I have heard that the American Indians, Eskimos etc. came from Asia.

        • libertytrain

          The facial structures are similar as well.

      • http://n/a PHIL

        JeffH,it is hard to decipher what you are really up to with that lengthy report or essay.But anyway if you mean there were other earlier settlers in America,I neither dispute nor agree with that.The focus is on the immediate Natives of the United States at the advent of invasion from Europe.The arrogance and Ignorance exhibited by Americans of European decent by wanting to imply that illegal aliens in America are any non-European is the cornerstone of my commentary here in this forum.I just happen to detest the Hateful,firebrand rhetoric spewed here and elsewhere in the media.You might think these poor people crossing the borders are demonic by the weight of the language used against them.Whereas we all know that most of these people are here for the same reason most Europeans came here for.By the way do you have an Idea a lot of immigrants are leaving America back to their native countries? I guess you don’t here that.

        • JeffH

          My eyes and ears are open and I see and hear what transpires in this country with what I consider a very open mind. I happen to live in California, so my conservatism (not to be confused as a Republican)is in line with a lot of native Californians. I don’t buy into your opening statement and I certainly won’t support “illegals” no matter where they come from. We cannot afford at this stage in history, as a nation, to burden what is already an overburdened economy. Sorry, but illegals gotta get to the back of the line and come through the front door. Arizona is 100% right in their SB1070 and I certainly support it. I have tremendous respect and interest for “native Anericans” and disagree that the “black” American would or should be placed in the same category with them as you have done.

          We’re headed down a very slippery slope and illegal immigrants only hasten our journey. There are much bigger fish to fry, the slow transition to a Marxist/socialist/communist form of government being the big fish.

          • http://n/a PHIL

            JeffH,believe me the Economy being bad,most of those illegal Aliens will be on their way back and if the economy is good they will do jobs that you would like them to do for you.Not unless you are uneducated to compete for menial jobs with them.They are just here for the same reasons your ancestors came here for.But it is only that they do not look like you this time.

          • JeffH

            Times are difficult now. No Amnesty, use the legal immigration process. That’s what the majority say. You cannot reward sombody for breaking the law! Pretty simple actually.
            I’m sure most nations of the world don’t reward illegal aliens and America shouldn’t either.

          • Teri L

            Of course we are a nation of immigrants and nobody is pretending otherwise. However we are a nation and no nation can survive with open borders and unregulated immigration, millions of free loaders on an already over burdened system.

            There is a good reason immigrants for hundreds of years have aspired to come here. We are the shinning city on the hill, at least we used to be, until the progressives began the silly notion of “Social Justice” in this country and threw our borders wide open. We are now a hairs breath away from a third world country, the exact kind of country these people want to escape.

            It is true that millions of blacks are descended from persons forced to come here but the truth of that era of our history and who actually kidnapped most of them in the first place has not been taught, nor has the indisputable truth of the hundreds of free black citizens who took part in the Revolutionary War by choice were vital to the founding of this nation.

            For any who care to actually read the Arizona law, you might be interested to know that even though it is styled after the federal law already in place it is much less stringent. The Supreme court has already ruled that under the federal law, any law enforcement official has the right without provocation or reasonable suspicion, to demand proof of citizenship. Chew on that for awhile and tell me that a law requiring the exact opposite is racial profiling.

            This entire issue is being deliberately twisted and spun to create a thick smoke screen so that we do not pay attention to what is happening on the other side of that smoke.

            We are not in Kansas any more folks, we are swimming with sharks and they are ravenous. We do have to support Governor Brewer and stop the current regime, yes I said regime, from using millions of illegals to establish a voter block in an effort to prevent their removal from our hallowed halls of government but we had better do that with the eyes in the backs of our heads and keep the ones in the front squarely focused on the slight of hand being perpetrated in the meanwhile.

            Above all, we must not take the bait and allow this or any other issue to lead us to violence. The blatant arrogance, ignorant statements in the press by Pelosi, Holder, Emmanuel, Reid and Obama himself are being done to provoke us. Getting one of us to fire the first shot is their only hope as they are now scrambling to save themselves and their nasty agenda. Which sadly, they truly believe in. They too have been used and manipulated by those far nastier than themselves.

          • JeffH

            Teri L, you’ve hit a home run.

    • http://aol wayne a

      phil,how in the hell could our ancestors have been illegal when there were no laws?look up illegal: Prohibited by law!

      • http://n/a PHIL

        That’s where you go wrong Wayne,assuming that the Native tribal societies had no Laws,they had council of Elders interpreting whatever thorny issues they had before them. Their Laws were not paper or to your perception but were communicated orally.Compare this with when I come to your house at gun point and establish my own rules disregarding all else.OK lets say you invited me to your House only later to take over your wife and Kids assuming that because you have no written rules,I am justified at running your Home,is that what you call civilized?.The reason I call such reasoning as yours delusional is the total disregard of other Human beings as uncivilized.Just come to terms with the fact that you’ve be brainwashed to think in the manner you are my friend Wayne.Get enlightened buddy!

  • Rick Houser

    The is no such and no such thing as anchor babies, because the 14th amendment does not say that. If we don’t act soon it will, more than likely, be changed to read that way. Al Gore is right, global warming is coming, the whole world is going to HELL.

  • Sylvia Keppy-Dow

    Chip is always right on target.. If you don’t live in Arizona you have no idea of the illegal immigration in problems that we face.. This Anchor Baby business needs to be done away with, as it is such a farce… Arizona needs your support in our fight for the rule of law to be adhered to by the Federal Government.. I hope everyone that reads these comments will support Arizona and our great Governor Jan Brewer in this fight for our border safety and the rule of law.

  • American liberal

    Who was hanging out with TERRORIST?…..George W. Bush started ARBUSTO Oil….. His business partner was Salam BIn Laden….. Osama Bin Ladens brother…. Don’t believe it?…search it ….and of course the Business went bankrupt … But not before Bush convinced people to reinvest while knowing the company was going under…. I wonder if Goldman Sachs learned that from Bush

    • JeffH

      It seems GWB wasn’t the only one with Saudi ties…

      Dr. Khalid Al-Mansour, Senior Advisor, HRH Prince Al-Waleed Bin Talal.

      The casual statement by Percy Sutton to NY1 is the first time anyone has hinted at a relationship between Obama and the Saudi royal family. Association Revealed Between Barack Hussein Obama and Khalid Al-Mansour an Adviser to Saudi Billionaire, Prince Alwaleed. Al-Mansour’s more recent videotaped speeches focus on Muslim themes with anti-Semitic theories and anti-Israel vitriol.

      The Saudi Connection
      Al-Mansour’s sponsorship of Obama as a prospective Harvard law student is important for another reason beyond his Islamic and anti-American rhetoric and early Black Panther ties.

      At the time Percy Sutton, a former lawyer for Malcolm X and a former business partner of al-Mansour, says he was raising money for Obama’s graduate school education, al-Mansour was representing top members of the Saudi Royal family seeking to do business and exert influence in the United States.

      Percy Sutton, the former borough president of Manhattan, off-handedly revealed the unusual circumstances about his first encounter with the young Obama.

      http://www.warriorsfortruth.com/videos/video/4EcC0QAd0Ug

      “I was introduced to (Obama) by a friend who was raising money for him,” Sutton told NY1 city hall reporter Dominic Carter.

      “The friend’s name is Dr. Khalid al-Mansour, from Texas,” Sutton said. “He is the principal adviser to one of the world’s richest men. He told me about Obama.”
      Although many Americans have never heard of Khalid Abdullah Tariq al-Mansour (his full name), he is well known within the black community as a lawyer, an orthodox Muslim, a black nationalist, an author, an international deal-maker, an educator, and an outspoken enemy of Israel.

    • http://aol wayne a

      amer lib,you’re a total idiot! don’t you have something better to do than play on the computer and waste peoples time?

      • Smilee

        I see you share a hobby with him

        • JeffH

          waste not, want not.

  • chuck b

    amer lib

    thanks to gw bush he keeps you liberals walking on your ears. all this time it was my contention he was too soft on you communist types and gave in to you. my mistake!!, he really did a number on you. “good going george”. too bad barry couldn’t have inherited some of the strategy george used. well, you either have it or you don’t, too bad barry!!

  • ccle1

    Abraham, I’m sure you love and support obama, I’ve been told by some Muslim friends that they all know he’s muslim, we Americans are all idiots because we believe that he is a Christian. Well I for one don’t believe a word that comes out of his mouth! It’s so hard to watchhim and his cronies, pelosi, reed, franks, dodd, holder, tear this country apart. Yes, I know, they are not the first, but they certainly intend to be the last, to finish us off!
    I have to say they are smart and very deviant. they have been planning and setting this up since the 60′s. They’ve put liberal judges in place, kagan being the next, being the most liberal of all, anti life, pro homosexual, anti marriage, anti military, communist, marxist, socialist, God help us all if she gets through. They’ve developed criminal organizations, such as acorn, moveon.org, etc.
    None of them have ever worked a real job but they live and breath salinski’s plans to implement socialism.
    It’s a very scary time we are living in and I pray to God daily that obama will be exposed for the true evil he really is. That all people will open their eyes and see the truth!
    You know democrats don’t even realize it’s been Republicans through out history that have defended civil rights for all peoples.
    It was the democrats that voted against civil rights, it was the democrats that formed the kkk. The dems plan has always been to break up the family and keep minorities dependeant on the government, that way they could deceive them to believe they were actually helping them.
    There’s not long for this world, we are in the final days.
    When Jesus returns in all his Glory, you will all see then.
    I pray it’s not too late for you.

  • http://herringtons.home.mindspring.com lighterknot

    Well Chip I agree with you on one thing; nun-citizens giving birth in this country their progeny should not be given citizenship.
    As for those radical republicans I find no difference in them and the new republicans with a contract on the middle class.
    And JeffH I think you are a damn good flame blower you must be one of the authors.

    • JeffH

      Thanks, just like to present factual information. I guess if some don’t care for my style they might accuse me of being a flamethrower. I’d much rather keep the flames of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness aka the American dream burning bright.

  • Longrider

    **big sigh** You Americans are really thick! You have the best country in the world and you are throwing it away. Your Consitution was drawn up in 1788 or so and it worked fine. But that was then, this is now. What worked then, don’t work now! It needs serious upgrading. Starting with the First Amendment. I think freedom of religion is fine, but the line should be drawn at Islam. Muslims want nothing less than the total distruction of America. And you let them in like flies. That’s like bringing a hive of killer bees into your house! What are you thinking? (Imagine a world without Islam!) Similarly, I think freedom of the press is fine too, as long as it doesn’t inhibit your national defence. Let your Army, Navy, Air Force and USMC’s do their job without being scrutinized by a lot of panzy media types who are ‘embedded’ into militia units. They can’t do their job if they have to babysit journalists and photogs. Besides, I doubt if you would have the headaches of Guantanamo if it weren’t for the do gooders of the press.
    Then there’s the matter of the ‘anchor babies’ and illegals there. (I hadn’t heard of it referred to as such until now, but aptly put.) Yes, that has to stop. It worked 150 years ago, but definately not now. Send them back if they don’t want to follow the rules.
    Arizona has taken the first step to keep America American. I hope the rest of the states see the light and follow suite. If you don’t, you turn into another Canada. Come on up here and see the mess we have.
    Well, there’s my lil rant and thanks for putting up with it.
    God Bless America…

    • JeffH

      Longrider, thanks for your “rational” comment. As a neighbor from the north, you get to see things from a different perspective than a lot of others do. Appreciate your input.

  • Allan

    Seems this site has been invaded by communists. It is unproductive to converse with them. They hate America, and their vision is to finish what Krushchev started. They pretend to agree in one breath, just to spit in your face in the next. They are working hard to take your assets. Let’s share our concerns with friends, relatives, and co-workers who are tuned out. While we still have elections, let’s harness the best conservative, libertarian, and tea party efforts for November, working for candidates who want to preserve this country. Let’s allow the vacant communist souls to recede into the shadows, and pray that someday they will understand what they’ve become.

  • chuck b

    HB 1388 PASSED

    You just spent $20,000,000 to move members/supporters of Hamas, a
    terrorist organization, to the United States ; housing, food, the whole
    enchilada.

    HB 1388 PASSED

    Whether you are an Obama fan, or not, EVERYONE IN THE U.S. needs to know….

    Something happened… H.R. 1388 was passed, behind our backs.
    You may want to read about it… It wasn’t mentioned on the news… just went by on the ticker tape at the bottom of the CNN screen.

    Obama funds $20M in tax payer dollars to immigrate Hamas Refugees to the USA . This is the news that didn’t make the headlines…

    By executive order, President Barack Obama has ordered the expenditure of $20.3 million in “migration assistance” to the Palestinian refugees and “conflict victims” in Gaza .

    The “presidential determination,” which allows hundreds of thousands of Palestinians with ties to Hamas to resettle in the United States , was signed and appears in the Federal Register.

    Few on Capitol Hill, or in the media, took note that the order provides a free ticket replete with housing and food allowances to individuals who have displayed their overwhelming support to the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas) in the parliamentary election of January 2006.

    Now we learn that he is allowing thousands of Palestinian refuges to move to, and live in, the US at American taxpayer expense.

    These important, and insightful, issues are being “lost” in the blinding bail-outs and “stimulation” packages.

    Doubtful?

    To verify this for yourself: http://www.thefederalregister.com/d.p/2009-02-04-E9-2488

    PLEASE PASS THIS ON… AMERICA NEEDS TO KNOW

    WE are losing this country at a rapid pace.

    • Smilee

      This email has circulated many times it has been proven totally false, 1388 does not even deal with the subject, none of what you posted is true

  • teresa

    well all this going alot americans mad i am 1 of them,obama said he wants change well here his chance we need take our country back we got to many here that shouldnt be here,they need take care americans first,we are tried of this our country really going down in the pass ten years,enough is enough i am mexican american born in america and my grandfathers and father and son are marines fighting for our country there too many americans having hard times now in days and with people working here in texas that dont have papers they are taking away from americans who dont have jobs would love to work.

    • Chaos Factor

      Teresa… So you’re under the impression that the illegals just showed up in the last 18 months since president Obama was elected…. Really?… And you think president Obama should have already solved the illegal immigration problem in just 18 months?.. After Bush did nothing for 8 years!…?…really?…. And you concider yourself a rational person.. ?… And honest?….

      • JeffH

        Even your weak attempt to put your own twist and spin on teresa’s comments won’t change what she just posted…What part of “last ten years” did you miss?
        Typically trying to put words in someones mouth as usual!

        • Smilee

          She told the truth and the truth cannot be twisted, but I doubt you understand that

          • JeffH

            Read it again and weep, then smile a little smile for me…smil-lee!

          • Smilee

            Jeffie

            Nothing you write is worth reading more than once!!!

          • JeffH

            Duncan is just so bright and cheerie!

      • http://aol wayne a

        chaos,no its not all obamas fault,but when you put the funding for the border fence on hold,then you criticize the arz law without reading it,then you publicily apologize to the mex.pres. for the arz law,and want to give 20 million illegal criminals amnesty,you’re damn right we’ll blame obama!

      • Allan

        It’s not whether he created the probkem.
        It’s not whether he could have solved it (though he campaigned on it)

        It’s his ATTITUDE toward the majority of Americans’ wishes on illegal immigration, and issue after issue since being elected.

        It’s his knee-jerk remarks, like “isolated extremist”, “stupid police department” and “discriminatory law”, always before knowing the facts. I’ve never seen a President, Dem or Repub, as petulant and judgmental toward those who don’t agree with him as Obama. George W. Bush did not lace his public dialogue with the berating of liberals (though the opposite was certainly true), and he has been more than respectful during Obama’s daily “blame others” Presidency.

        It’s Obama’s hiring of people who don’t read anything that they and/or he disagree with. How embarrassing for those who voted for or against this administrtion. Is it any wonder they don’t want us to read the bills, rules, and orders they do care about?

        Commissar-style communication.

      • Jana

        Teresa,
        If you were under the impression he was going to change it for the better then you and a lot of the rest of us were fooled.
        Big mistake, he didn’t say how he was going to change it. He told his lies and a lot of people bought it. Now we all have to suffer for it.

  • Delores Smith

    CHIP WOOD – A GREAT ARTICLE – THANKS
    Thanks for the information. Your info makes me certain that if we were to study prior cases, we would come up with many injustices in interrepting the amendments. Sickening, isn’t it?
    In immigration law, there should never be reference to “illegal”, because it means “not legal” This is the way I would word the immigration paragraph.
    “Any child born in this country to legal immigrants, automatically becomes a citizen of the United States if their parents were born in the United States/or territories or are naturalized citizens of the United States. Until such time, the children and parents are subject to the jurisdiction of their home country, and have one year in which to become naturalized citizens or return to their home country.”
    (No one is to enter the United States illegally.)
    Chip, I’m really stumped on the 14th amendment, but I believe you are right. You said that Seward ratified the amendment finally. Doesn’t it take a 2/3′s vote to ratify, and was that the law then? Is there a separate law for anchor babies other than what’s in your article?
    Delores Smith
    Delores109@cox.net

  • Brian

    Every day our rights are being taken away from us right now in the background Hillary Clinton is trying to get a small arms treaty signed at the U.N. This will circumvent our second amendment rights if this treaty is signed we will lose some rights to bear arms.
    The government is not working for the people it is working for itself and is working to control the people and tell the people how they should live. This socialist thinking will ruin America if Americans do not do something about it, Our Founding Fathers did not intend for this country to be a socialist country.
    The President of United States of America knowingly takes an oath to represent the American people; our President should honor the constitution and fight for every word written. Instead we have a President who is ashamed of America and then bows to others.
    Obama hides his transcripts from college hides his birth certificate, why would someone do this? They would only do this if they had something to hide.
    No matter what president is in office they work for the people when they make mistakes they should have to answer for them. Our Congress is a joke they pass whatever is good for them making money. Political corruption is greed’s offspring I look on this forum and see a lot of liberal thinking and wonder where they were taught about the constitution.
    The more I see liberals talk it is as if they want to be controlled, liberal thinking is a disgrace to America, democrats want everything for free and are willing to give up their rights, republicans think more along the lines of honoring the constitution and fighting for it, not that they are always correct but more often than not I will have to agree with them because I believe in the constitution.
    Every President makes mistakes I just hope this one doesn’t continue to make them, when you go against what the people want and I mean the majority than you do not work for the people. This country needs to get back to a strong moral fiber; our kids are corrupted every day by liberal thinking socialist trying to change the values that are ancestors instilled.
    Every day we can make a difference by teaching our children the rights that Our Forefathers bestowed, by teaching them the constitution, making sure they understand their rights as an American citizen, teaching our children and educating them about true history not the liberal version of how they think it should be. It is our responsibility to make sure that they know the history of America that the freedoms that they hold today were paid with the blood of others before them. I am just ranting about everything sick and tired of were America is going and who is driving us there.

  • American MIKE

    The 14th amendment does not allow citizenship to the illegal’s children. Any law like that IS ILLEGAL ! ITS A DEMORAT LIE!
    Sponsor: Rep Foley, Mark [FL-16] (introduced 4/13/2005) Cosponsors (3)
    Latest Major Action: 5/10/2005 Referred to House subcommittee. Status: Referred to the Subcommittee on the Constitution.

    • Mick for thought

      See below the first line of 14th amendment. It says nothing about the parents origin.

      All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

  • http://PersonLibertyDigest Dee

    I didn’t know that Amendment 14 had not been ratified. So, it shouldn’t be legal. I’m tired of these bleeding heart liberals.
    If obama passes amnesty to these law breakers, it will be the death knell of this country.
    The government doesn’t seem to give a d**m that these illegal immigrants are killing our citizens. obama shoved his health care down our throats like he will try to do amnesty and cap n tax.
    The cap n tax will raise your utility bills sky high.
    He should be impeached.
    He won’t even provide his real birth certificate. What does he have to hide?

    • Smilee

      Dee says:
      May 21, 2010 at 3:20 pm

      I didn’t know that Amendment 14 had not been ratified. So, it shouldn’t be legal. I’m tired of these bleeding heart liberals.
      If obama passes amnesty to these law breakers, it will be the death knell of this country.
      The government doesn’t seem to give a d**m that these illegal immigrants are killing our citizens. obama shoved his health care down our throats like he will try to do amnesty and cap n tax.
      The cap n tax will raise your utility bills sky high.
      He should be impeached.
      He won’t even provide his real birth certificate. What does he have to hide?

      There is no evidence that it was not ratified, there is those who want you to believe that even if it is not true, if it was true they could take it to court but then of course you have to prove it not just say it. Can you explain why when Reagan signed a amnesty law it was not a death knell to the country but now you say it will, please explain. Obama did provide his birth certificate, the fact you do not want to believe it does not make it so or you right. The only thing clear from your post is that you have swallowed hook line and sinker the far right propaganda

    • Mick for thought

      This ratification rumor is BS. An amendment can not exist without ratification.

  • Chaos Factor

    It’s amazing… You Rightys actually have yourselves convinced that President Obamas the one that caused the immigration problem…. You’ve managed to convince yourselves that they crossed our borders as soon as Obama was elected… You’re convinced that president Obama should have already fixed this problem, to your approval of course … And you know damn well you aren’t going to like anything he does…….stop with the nonsense… Just come out and say it….You just ignore that after 8 years of Bush the immigration problem was just pushed down the road… ……You have no respect for the American democracy and you won’t tolerate a Black person in the white house…

    • JeffH

      Promoting your racism will get you nowhere on his website!

      Chaos Factor says:
      May 21, 2010 at 3:41 pm
      It’s amazing… You Rightys actually have yourselves convinced that President Obamas the one that caused the immigration problem…

      HAH!

      • Smilee

        Much of the hatred of Obama is no doubt racist. Much of the attitudes expressed towards him is very similar to what we used to see in the forties, fifties and sixties even in the seventies towards black people, the same expressions of hate for everything they said and did was common place then and we are seeing a lot of that again with Obama, denying it does not mean it does not exist it is as an alcoholic there is a period of denial and that is what we seeing a lot of on this site and amongst a lot of conservatives and tea baggers today. Call it what you like but there has been a resurgence of it since he was elected and no president before him has there been so much hatred towards a president before albeit attitudes towards presidents got a lot more uglier when Clinton took office but this is different and far uglier than what we seen with Clinton and GW. If Obama could perform the good miracles of Jesus Christ, these haters would find a reason to portray it as something very ugly and there would again be all lies to describe it as we are seeing about him here.

        • JeffH

          It would be so nice if something made sense for a change.
          What is the use of repeating all that stuff, if you don’t explain it as you go on? It’s by far the most confusing thing I ever heard!

          • Smilee

            Jeffie

            Your comments always make it clear that the truth is always confusing to you!! Its what handicaps your ability to have meaningful and illuminating discourse

          • JeffH

            Oh Duncan…and you are forever re-defining what “ability to have meaningful and illuminating discourse” means…you betcha!

        • American Citizen

          Actually, it’s Obama who keeps playing the race card. He tends to shoot off his mouth before he has the facts.

          • Smilee

            Does your hatred of him stem from racism????????????

    • Allan

      A black person is fine. A Communist black person is not fine. A Communist black person = A Communist white person.

      • Smilee

        You can believe what you will, but your post is just pure BS

        • JeffH

          Tut, tut, child! Everything’s got a moral, if only you can find it.

        • American Citizen

          Welcome back, Smilee. I see you’ve awakened from your long nap. Much has happened since last we saw you. Most of it not good.

          • Smilee

            Except for the oil spill what has been so bad????????

        • Allan

          BS? The issue is whether Obama is Red, White and Blue, or just plain RED…not whether he’s BLACK, and no offense is meant toward native Americans. This tactic of accusing people who don’t agree with you of being gracist is what is BS! If we take a poll of Americans and ask whether dissatisfaction with Obama is based on his policies or the color of his skin, it would end up at least 70% to 30% that it’s his policies. Then you, and the other clairvoyants would quickly say that what’s in our minds is the opposite of how we’d answer the question. If that is what Progressives need to believe to feel good about themselves, fine. Most Americans find it embarrassing.

    • American Citizen

      Chaos, Obama and his administration are doing nothing about the illegal immigration problem. Meanwhile, we are being invaded, not only by Hispanics, but criminals, terrorists, and other undesirables. We have to deal with what is happening right now.

      • http://donaldson16@verizon.net sixgun

        American Citizen.I agree with you we do need to do something about it and we can.Well the tea parties are great and helpfull the time for talk is over there is more then one way to skin a cat.The american people don’t realize how much power they actualy posses neither does obama and his thugs.They think the american people are all push over’s they are sadly mistaken.Just think millions of angry americans ready to pounce.

  • http://gmail i41

    I see the socialist marxist democrats are awake, am lib must have drooled up another Sarah Palin poster! Every post these liberals have a problem of diahhria of the mouth and constipation of the brain matter. You know socvialist have only two working part and they are interchangable, mouth and the posterior venting system. Talk about Buying certain groups of peoples’ votes. on the reservations have a big free feed pow-wow roast and plenty of hooch, all supplied by democrat party. If the indians have a problem getting freebies and pay, we bought them along with the Louie Purchase with wild life and any organisms. Onumnutt sure showed his true colors along with all dems while the Mexican was knocking the USA, with standing and clappimg. Year ago that would have been considered a treasonous behavior. Still think democrats are patroitic and love the USA? In the area west of the Missouri River private property is still a big item to owners. Enter without a search warrant or tresspass on private land you might devolope holes in your hide, and that can be serious to health. Am lib we are all waiting to hear how you support your self, since most of you bildge is socialist live off of workers and not take care of yourself. Were you a student that was just passed through school to get you out? Longrider, a way to cut down the increasing of illegals of all types and also terrorists, cut them, like we do with male fence crawler or gate crashers. Usually you get a calmer more productive worker like with horses. chuch b, morons just have a blind spot for Omoron and his muslim terrorist ties, muslims are such a bunch of tribal smucks who live in groups anywhere, cann’t and will not assemilate where ever they inhabit, and are out to destroy the world until we all have the peophile ideaology accepted and live like a bunch of stinking skunks on prayer rugs. Hope you have been understanding with phil,am lib and sidewinder, and their other buds, they have a short attentiion span and have not been able to attend any tea parties to caste their orbs on Sarah.

    • Mick for thought

      All that putrid bile and not a shred of information.

  • Rajah

    No president has been perfect-readily admitted. But what we have in that Oval office now is the saddest excuse for a leader that we have ever had in our history. He cares nothing for our Constitution, has degraded the U.S. by groveling at the feet of foreign leaders and is doing all that he can to become a dictator if he is not that already. His Socialist, Marxist views are being inacted(literally slammed down our throats)into law. Together, those true Americans who still believe in this great country need to band together to get this Obomanation & his cronies out of our government!

  • tnmccoy

    “When you finish reading my column be sure to scroll down to the bottom and read some of the hundreds of comments that readers have posted. You will be very impressed by the passion and, yes, the wisdom shown by many writers.”— Chip Wood. Unfortunately, this isn’t the case. I just see a lot of Liberals and Conservatives fighting over the non-existent bone. This message of Wood’s needs some digestion and corroboration, but it’s truly something to think about. I’m all for an amendment to the Constitution to protect our borders and plug all the leaks utilized by the illegal aliens smothering us.

  • Kathy D.

    The 14th Amendment was indeed ratified, perhaps not in the way the Mr Wood (the writer of this article) would have liked, but it was indeed legally ratified. It is part of our U.S. Constitution and the law of the land. And thanks to “Mick for thought” for publishing its contents here in his reply. If one reads the whole amendment it becomes clear why this one was also needed after the Civil War. Although the U.S. Constitution is not perfect it has been a strong foundation for this nation. It does appear that some people need to rewrite history in order to justify their point of view and place blame where it does not belong, and thus avoid taking the shared responsibility that we all have for facing and trying to resolve our nations immigration problems.

    • http://aol wayne a

      kathy d,you’re wrong,it was not legally ratified.look it up!

      • Smilee

        Can the BS, She is telling the truth

      • Mick for thought

        Look it up wayne. You are not coming across as informed just biased.

  • shray77

    I am curious about everyone elses thinking, does anyone really believe that the oil rig was an accident? I just don’t think so. I mean how close to the obama speech did this come? too close for it to be a (coincidence.) (not sure of the spelling) just can’t make me believe it.

    • JeffH

      shray77 , it’s impossible to decipher the truth from fiction anymore. Can’t trust the government and can’t trust the MSM media and FOX is about as close to the truth you’ll get.

      • Smilee

        I guess if you perceive that about Fox, your problems are self explanatory

        • JeffH

          No problem can stand the assault of sustained thinking.

      • Mick for thought

        Going to either MSM or Fox for news will only get opinions that are extraordinarily biased. CNN tries the hardest not to be biased but they don’t succeed either. Have to do your own homework in archives mostly.

        As far as the exploding oil rig. I guess I am forced to except the most reasonable explanation provided by people who were there. BP flexed their muscles over the contractor to save time and a devastating result occurred.

    • Smilee

      What does one have to do with the other??

  • eddie47d

    Someone let i41 out of his cage again to puke some more crap or did you escape with the other coon dogs?

    • JeffH

      Even I had to chuckle at that!

    • http://aol wayne a

      eddie47,don’t remember what he said but if you didn’t like it,it had to be good and truthful!

  • BonnieMW

    I think if you dig deep enough you can rationalize anything. The law is in the Constitution we are fighting to preserve and now you want to change the meaning. You are probably right that it was not first put into the Constitution to allow illegal Mexican immigrants to have children and then become citizens. I personally think on both sides it is all about using an issue to promote someone’s political position.
    Bush gave amnesty to illegals and it was the Republicans that supported his position because in large Republicans are business people and they needed the Mexican immigrants to work in their factories and fields. Now the Democrats are panicking about losing their power so they are pushing to get the Hispanic votes. I don’t think the politicians care at all about the illegal immigrants. I personally think it is a serious problem that needs to be dealt with but It needs to be dealt with compassion. We as a country have allowed the Mexican people to be here for our own benefits and theirs. We have ignored the immigration laws for years and there is a law that if by large a law is not enforced it becomes unenforceable. Any Mexican breaking a law such as violent crimes and drug dealing should be harshly punished and on the other hand a Mexican that has lived here for years and has been a productive citizen even though not legal and owns a home and has children in school should not be uprooted and sent back to possibly starve and be homeless. We need to help close our borders quickly and then deal with each
    illegal on an individual basis. We have to stop giving welfare to illegal immigrants
    and possibly ammend our Constitution but the Mexicans that were born here are citizens
    whether you like it or not and their parents should be helped to become citizens unless they are criminals.

    • Chaos Factor

      Bonnie… Good post

      • Teri L

        In the words of “Teddy Roosevelt”…..
        We should insist that if the immigrant who comes here does in good faith become an

        American and assimilates himself to us he shall be treated on an exact equality with every one else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed or birth-place or origin.

        But this is predicated upon the man’s becoming in very fact an American and nothing but an American. If he tries to keep segregated with men of his own origin and separated from the rest of America, then he isn’t doing his part as an American. There can be no divided allegiance here. . . We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language, for we intend to see that the crucible turns our people out as Americans, of American nationality, and not as dwellers in a polyglot boarding-house; and we have room for but one soul loyalty, and that is loyalty to the American people.

        Only those aspiring to become LEGAL AMERICANS, assimilating unto ourselves should be accepted as citizens. Possession is not nine tenths of the law. Dual allegiances are not tolerable. To be an American is to be 100% American and nothing less.

        Just because a person breaks our laws and manages not to get caught for a long time does not mean he deserves citizenship. We have a front door and a back, a right and wrong way.

        New Immigration Laws: Read to the bottom or you will miss the message…

        1. There will be no special bilingual programs in the schools.
        2. All ballots will be in this nation’s language.
        3. All government business will be conducted in our language.
        4. Non-residents will NOT have the right to vote no matter how long they are here.
        5. Non-citizens will NEVER be able to hold political office.
        6. Foreigners will not be a burden to the taxpayers. No welfare, no food stamps, no health care, or other government assistance programs. Any burden will be deported.
        7. Foreigners can invest in this country, but it must be an amount at least equal to 40,000 times the daily minimum wage.
        8. If foreigners come here and buy land; options will be restricted. Certain parcels including waterfront property are reserved for citizens naturally born into this country.
        9. Foreigners may have no protests; no demonstrations, no waving of a foreign flag, no political organizing, no bad-mouthing our president or his policies. These will lead to deportation.
        10. If you do come to this country illegally, you will be actively hunted and, when caught, sent to jail until your deportation can be arranged. All assets will be taken from you.

        Too strict?

        The above laws are current immigration laws of MEXICO!

        Those are the rules we would be subjected to if we decided to cross the fence in the other direction. This country cannot afford to subsidize an entire nation nor should we be expected to. If we do not start cleaning up our own back yard and paying attention to our own people we will BE MEXICO!

  • Chaos Factor

    Raj…. Are you talking about George W. Bush kissing The Saudi King or holding hands with prince Bandr?….. Or Bush Sr. Barfing allover the Japanese?….Or could it be when Bush had the Bin Ladins flown out of America less that 24 hours after 9/11… Before the Fbi could question them?….. And I almost forgot Bush telling an agent( you’ve covered your azz , now get outta here..) after being told Al Qaeda planned to use airplanes to launch a terrorist attack…

    • JeffH

      One can only presume by your rants that your love affair with the “bush” is long bin laden over.

      And to have such nerve as to harp on the Obama doubters. The horror, the horror!

    • http://aol wayne a

      chaos factor,are you really that damn stupid? don’t you have enough intelligence to carry on a halfway factual intelligent discussion without all that stupid @##$%% of yours?thank God you’re a minority out there.

  • Chaos Factor

    Shray…. I’m sure these nutjob rightys think Obama swam out to that oil rig and dove down almost a mile deep abd blew up the connection…. Also certin Obama made sure BP bypassed all the safety precautions anddrilled deeper than their permit allowed…. He can do anything…. As long as it’s supernatural and evil… He can fly too…

    • http://aol wayne a

      to hear you say it he can!

  • http://gmail i41

    edyee, now take a deep breath, Sarah is telling the facts and her maganatision is so strong for you. You are starting to get act like a Disney charactor, you know Goofy. With all the facts, being put out for no minds, and you can not disprove them, even with your rote learned national socialist democrat party lines,we all understand it is hard to admit, when you have been snookered, by phony fake American democrat crooks. We will give you a break, drink in the real facts, may you gain intelingence, enlightenment, and learn to vote right,

    • http://aol wayne a

      i41,you want to talk about intelligence.did you get out of grade school? your spelling and sentence structure looks like a 3rd or 4th grader wrote it!

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  • Raggs

    Arizona is doing a good thing!!!!
    I hope more states will follow and oust the USURPER in the white house that is at the very least an anchor baby.

  • http://www.sjsratline.com Pat O’D

    I’ve urged my two California Senators to do just two things before voting on any immigration bill.

    1. Take a guided tour of Ellis Island, NY. There they will find immigrants had to have a sponsor in this country that would promise to take care of them, as the government wouldn’t. They also had to be healthy. Even a child with pink-eye would be sent back home, and that child must be accompanied by an adult on the return trip. Immigration also wrote on your arrival manifest the date you later became a U.S. citizen. Do we have record keeping like that now?

    2. Drive around the Los Angeles are for one week in “newly transformed” neighborhoods.

    “If you aren’t in the kitchen you don’t know how hot the stove is.”

  • http://Mahopacjack Art Palm USA ret

    How does a “down trodden” America kid from a lower middle class family get the where-with-all to finance what amounts to a round the world trip to a Muslin utopia,then returns to the United States enjoys what amounte to a million dollar education at an Ivy League School, lives in a million and a half dollar manor house and has never worked at a full time job. Story by Horatio ?

    • Mick for thought

      Explanation to long for here. Do some research. Read some books.

  • chuck b

    pat o’d

    your asking feinstein and boxer to ride around los angeles in newly transformed neighborhoods, who the hell do you think votes for these two idiots, that’s their constituents.

  • http://mog7@cox.net06042CT Muriel P. Goyette

    That a person who criminally (against the LAW OF THE COUNTRY) invades
    a country and then births a child, is still a criminal, an invader, and that a baby born of a person of this status is automatic citizen is simply ABSURD. The entire PLANET snickers at America being foolish enough to be “tricked” by such an insane interpretation. Only ANTI AMERICANS AND TRAITORS TO THIS COUNTRY SUPPORT SUCH AN INTERPRETATION.
    It is a sure way of peopling USA with UNDESIRABLES who have invaded.
    They believe the law is for the stupid Americans. The slick foreigners
    attempt to force acceptance of someone who has been hereto rejected.
    How stupid! America needs a little sense and logic. To say that any
    American citizen who does not support open borders is an extremist is anti-american, obviously spoken by one who wishes to populate America with trash….whether we want it or not!

  • Jose Cordero Torres

    Actually, even if a child is born in the US from illegal aliens, he or she cannot immigrate their parents until the age of eighteen. So lets not get the cart before the horse. Also people need to read the Az. SB1070, and then read the Federal law enacted back in 1946. Then everyone can open mouth and insert foot. Like President Obama calling the citizens of Arizona, “ignorant”. He and none any of his cabinet has claimed they have not read the law as it was written to mirror the Federal law.

  • http://google mike b.

    Hussein Obama hates america and he’s a thug. He is intent on taking america down and jamming his radical agenda down the american people’s throat. He attacks states in the united states of america but is intent on giving lawyers and miranda rights to terriosts and people who intend to do us harm. He is not a natural-born america and he hates freedom and the constitution and is trampling on the rights of american people and on our countrys constitution. You liberals and radicals can make all the excuses you want to, but Hussein Obama is simply a dangerous thug!!!

  • http://gmail i41

    Wayne a, geeze and I went to college, I realize you were my profeesor in English class. At least I try to keep my sentences only two lines! Also try to use the punctuation you taught. Oh ta!

  • Yonian Anda

    What a scary website.
    So much passion.
    So little thought.

  • http://google mike b.

    STAR827 You have made some excellent points in your posts, some of the best on here. Please keep up the good work!! As for AL you level-headed americans are gonna have to learn to ignore him. Ignorance should be ignored, I learned months ago that when you see a post by him just skip to the next one right away. Dont waste your time or energy reading anything from this ignorant anti-american radical. He’s only trying to get you good conservative americans to argue with him because he has suffered a life of a lack of attention. Do your blood pressure a favor and skip his post right away and go on to the next one. He is being sarcastic and has nobody to argue with. He knows he and Hussein Obama are jokes and he’s trying to bring you down to his level. He is gonna try to lure me into a response after this and i will not take his bait, with his childish and silly remarks. Of course Hussein Obama is a thug and i figured most of you decent americans would agree. His appeal is wearing off and the american people are realizing more and more each day how big a fraud he really is. He will NOT be re-elected unless he steals the election or declares marshall law. Hussein Obama and the democrat-led juvinile, criminal congress, controlling this country since 2006, do not care about the mexicans and thier rights or the arizona law. They only want illegals in america because they know they are a major voting block of the liberal democrat base. It’s all about thier votes and about politics, they could care less about thier rights or any other americans rights, except terriosts, it’s all about votes. If the illegal immigrants from mexico voted republican they would build a wall as high or higher than the great wall of chinal from california to Peru. Yes, i knew the vast majority of you would agree Hussein Obama is a thug and he is on his way to being a one-term dictator.

  • http://herringtons.home.mindspring.com lighterknot

    You are right Chip; I’ve never witnessed such passion. What a scroll down idiot thread to see so many empty heads. All echoing the same old same. The wolf is a no good, communist and socialist liberal responsible for all my pain.
    Rush, Beck and Fox News are doing a great job as Sheppard’s for their masters the I% with 90% of the wealth the real Laissez Faire Wolf that owns the pasture. Well lamb chops are cheap I expect they’ll get cheaper.
    And a toast to a once great middle class the progeny of liberalism until they were rich enough to become republicans.

    • JeffH

      Ride the Unicorn and search for your rainbow…If you were just half as bright as you seem to think you are someone might actually pay attention to you.

      In seeking wisdom thou art wise; in imagining that thou hast attained it – thou art a fool.

      • Claire

        JeffH–Pull up GSPCA.org–click on Best of Breed–you will see Hailey. The pictures are finally posted! She looks a lot like her daddy, my Tanner.

        • JeffH

          Claire, beautiful…congrats!!!

      • coal miner

        JeffH,

        Adrian Mitchell wrote that poem.why didn’t you give him credit? You gave everone the impression that you wrote it.

        http://www.writerswrite.com/journal/jun00/child2.htm · Cached page

        • JeffH

          coal miner, if you ahven’t figured it out by now…you never will! Stuffit-muppet.

        • Jana

          coal miner,
          The only one that got that impression is you because you want to find fault.

  • Doug Hains

    Like the unconstitutional Federal reserve the 14th amendment anchor clause is a subversive clause used by corporations at the turn of the century to bust our unions with illegal alien scabs. The Federal resrve serves us as a private conglomerate of banks in the business of counterfiting fiat currency that has no intrinsic value and which 5 percent is worthless paper and the other 95 percent even more worthless computer x’s and O’s. They have used this bogus system to rape and pillage our citizenry becaause we let them and aren’t as smart as they are. Hopefully that is changing and we kick the bums out(Federal Reserve) and renig on the debt we owe them and simultaneously strike the anchor clasue out of the 14th amendment.
    That takes away the incentive for illegal mothers to come across and start a process that cost our citizens 345 billion a year and gives our kids and young adults good jobs. Getting rid of the Fed and looking into banning interlocking directorateships, returning to a national bank and a gold tied monetary system will benefit us all and make us a friend to the world again. if we let our counterfit fiat currency hyperinflate we could be driven in to a great war so let’s stop it before that happens. The Feds, the tri lateralists and the council on foreign relations folks want to enslave america and desoverigntize us so we can become a part of one new world order with no tariffs and no national boundaries. Read the book Global Reach.
    The UN is a major tool in thier plan as well.

    • JeffH

      Doug Hains, thank you for a wonderful post.

  • http://herringtons.home.mindspring.com lighterknot

    Jeff H – I expect you do know; you are on top of all who think outside your conservative tomb; so you pay full time to these threads. You’ve got to be the biggest know it all ass in fairy land so you must be one of the authors of the blog. But you are a damn good fire blower, fanner, thrower the big boys are taking care of you no doubt.
    Good post Doug Hains.

    • JeffH

      Ride on, ride on…to a cloud of smoke and a ball of white heat…whisp…

    • Jana

      lighterknot,
      You are just jealous because he has common sense and you don’t.

  • http://davischarlesc@bellsouth.net Charles C. Davis

    Charles D.: The greatest welth of information on this particular issue can be found hidden away in plain sight in the collection of books entitled: “War of the Rebellion: Official Records of the Union and Confederate Armies,” which is far from what the title emplies.

    It will be found that non of the so-called “Civil Rights Amendents” were ilgally radatified. At the end of the WBTS (War Between the States) the Radical Republicans (now with the change in the political winds the democrat party. Over the past 140 + years the parties have changed positions. The democrats of the 1860s-1870s are now the Republicans and the Republicans are the democrats.) Supposedly the Confederate States were all disenfranchised, their Constitutionss were illegal, their judges were stripped from the bench, all people with jobs of “importance” were removed from their occuppations. That covers sheriffs, school teachers, even ministers and many others in between – voting officials, tax collectors and especially clerks of court and registers of deeds. A total tke-over by the Federal Military. All White Southerners especially former soldiers and those who “supported the Confereracy” in any way were stripped of their right to vote. All of the Confederate States were no longer considered States but Conqured Territories. The Supreme Court was not even allowed to hold court for a time – a hold oover from where Lincoln, illegally, unconstitutionally and without any legal authority whatso ever had run the Court out of DC at the beginning of the war at the point of the bayonet. The military appointed the state and local judges. As an example, in NC it is documented that there was not a single judge at any level that could read or write the English language. Verdicts were given to the judges by the District Military Governors or ranking officer in any given city or county.
    This was the Reconstruction Period and lasted anywhere from three to seventeen years depending on Congress – who was made up of only Northern Congressmen and Senators and the military and was decided upon by a State by State basis. So, the situation was that non of the Southern States were States and no Whites could vote. Only illerate Blacks could vote – in certain situations.

    When the 13th-15th amendments could not be carried in the North the extreme Radicals went insane or even more insane than they already than they were. They threatened the Southern States with even more harsh treatment than they were undergoing and told them that as an additional condition of becoming a State again – even though when it suited them the Congress said they were States and had never left the Union. Special conventions were held and the Southern State Constitutions had to be rewritten and for these issues certain Whites were allowed to vote as long as the 13th-15th amendments were voted for. When Congress had enough votes to ” illegally ratify” these so-called amendments things went back to the way they had been. No legally elected legislatures, no legal judges, no vote for Whites and the Southern States were not States but Conqured Territories run by the Federal Military. The only holdout in the South was Mississippi who did not go along with the illegal and unconstitutional scheme and did not ratify these so-called amendments until relatively late in the twentith century. With these illegal amendments came the worst of the overthrow of the Constitution of the United States and the beginning of the illegal Welfare State and the growth of the all controlling central government that has ruined the grand experiment in a Republican form of government of, by and for the people by means of the democratic form of free votes by the people of the country. This is where the vote of the people ceased to matter in DC and Congress more and more went its own way in passing laws, establishing buearues and agencies whose “regulations” – never approved, voted upon by the people or the Congress began to eat away at the constitutional liberties and rights of the people.

    Three big issues that enrage the people and have since their beginning are: Welfare, the IRS who is not even controlled by Congress – who has established its own courts and seated its own judges, written many of its own regulations and established its own armed private army who can seemingly do anything it wants including breaking into the wrong home at 3:00 AM and murder the sleeping elderly couple in their bed and nothing ever happening to the agents other than most of them being promoted and the murdered couple’s estate being confiscated by the IRS even though they were not the people the IRS was looking for. This little hose-up and cover-up happened in relatively recent years under Reno and Clinton just the same as Ruby Ridge and the Branch Devidians where the central government totally lost control of the incident and innocent lives were lost. Over the years scores of people have been murdered by the IRS, sent to Federal prison and all property ceased by the IRS.

    The Welfare State is an issue so large and touches the lives of every tax paying American that there is no way to cover it completely in a mere email. But every American has his or her own knowledge of what goes on with this institution.

    The last of our three big issues would be money, the US dollar, the legal currency of this country and several other countries around the world. Just another instance where the American tax payer supports the world without its vote or say-so. Where the unconstitutionality of our currency began was with Lincoln and a gentleman from Vermont. One of the legion of people Lincoln illegaly brought into his dictatorship with the sole purpose of redistributing thee welth of the nation. When Lincoln took office the US dollar was worth a dollar on the world market. But his wreckless and in many cases illegal and unconstitutional spending practices plus his personal banking “regulations” ruined the dollar and its value dropped to a worth of a mere 19 cents on the world market. Foreign nations ceased to recognize the dollar and would take in payment of government or private business contracts only gold or silver coin. This is where the constitution is again ignored and Lincoln and the Federal Military went into the business of bank robbery. Both North and South the policy was the same. The constitution states the Congress – not the president – has the Power to Mint money. Meaning the production of coin made from internationally recognized metals such as gold and silver. The constitution says nothing of the president having the power or authority to Print paper money and force the citizens to use this as the legal currency in its domestic business dealings. But Lincoln did not give the people a choice. He first began by sending armed Federal troops into every bank in the North aand having them steal from the vaults All the Gold and Silver in any form that they could find. This included the metals owned by the banks. At the time there was no Fed or central government banking system, all banks were private and they had to keep on deposit a certain percentage of legal coin to cover what where known as Bank Notes. Paper Notes that represented real coin in the Banks’ Vaults that under state and local laws the Banks could produce and offer to its depositors instead of coin for daily use with the legal understanding that at any time a citizen could go to his Bank or any other that recognized that Bank’s paper and exchange the Bank Notes for Gold and Silver coin. But Lincoln and his military minions stole all the Gold and Silver from the Northern Banks so that he could continue to purchase foreign military equipment to keep his war going. Foreign governments and businesses would no longer take Bank Notes as payment for debts owed them. Then as Southern cities were overrun even if for the sole purpose of robbing the banks, Lincoln began to collect all the Gold and Silver from the South. Many times troops were sent to attack a Southern city for no other purpose than to rob the Banks. Once the Gold and Silver was collected and the commanding officer had the richest citizens homes searched to coin, Tea services, cutlery and anything made of Gold or Silver they would leave town with their ill gotten gains to be turned in to the military railroads and the Gold and Silver taken to Lincoln. Much of the goods taken from private homes never made it to DC. Officers split up the stolen loot and had it sent home to their own Banks. That is how so many Northern Generals started the war penniless and ended the war as millionaires. One stand-out in this area was W.T. Sherman. When the war began he was teaching at the brand new State Military Institute of La. He was totally broke and had to borrow money to get himself and his family back to the North so that he might be able to rejoin the Federal Military. Literally a penniless bumb at the beginning of the War, a millionaire at its close. This is not merely hearsay but comes directly from the journals of Sherman himself. He kept a running list of everything he stole during the War and wrote letters home to his wife bragging about the things he had stolen for her or their home and savings. There was no way at any rank that a Federal soldier could become rich much less a millionaire on his military pay. But this is how so many Federal Officers became rich or millionaires and illegal paper money was forced into the hands of the American public. A huge crime boldly committed by the dictator/president of a portion of the country whose results have had far reaching and lasting devastation to the nation, ate away at another piece of the constitution and the relationship of checks and balances between the three branches of the government, complete right down to the Nazi type Treasure Trains of WWII.

    These are just three examples of what the government has done to ignore or destroy the constitution, redistribute the wealth of the nation and bring us to a point where we may have as many as 20 million criminals in this country stealing funds that should be going to tax paying natural citizens who may be disabled, reached the age to retire on Social Security which is no more than an empty bank account with little more than IOUs in it, if that. And these cheated Americans going without food to buy medicine to stay alive at the highest cost on the market while plane loads of drugs go to foreign countries for free or for such costs as 3 cents/pill while the American pays a hundred dollars or more per pill to stay alive. And our government increases our taxes, tells us to ride bikes to work while our speaker of the house orders a 200 seat 757 to fly back and forth to CA twice a week at a conservative estimate of $60,000 one way, to say nothing of the total operating expenses which reach well into the multi million dollar cost when former speakers of the house would not even waste the money budgeted to fly him around in a Gulfstream III which was a 20 seat plane and insteat flew commercial business class prior to his illegally having false charges brought against him and his leaving DC rather than do more to harm the country and the constitution.

    And here we have criminals streaming into our country aided by a foreign government and military regularly helping these criminals into our country while firing upon our law enforcement agents with heavy machine guns from armored military tanks and personnel carriers after crossing our borders. And the Radicals in DC want to make these criminals citizens and the laws that have been established for becoming a citizen and the constitution would once again be ignored by a pretender to the throne that no one, not even a justice of the Supreme Court can find out if he himself is a legal citizen of this country. We fought a Revolution in part over 1.5 percent tax and what do you pay now? What has happened to our country?

    • Smilee

      Sounds like you would like to re-fight the civil war, quite the spin you did in your post, you sure overlooked a lot of fact distorting the real reality

      • JeffH

        Might not be such a bad idea if it is the only means left to remove the socialst vermin that has infected our country.

        • Smilee

          Jeffie

          US military would crush you little naysayers in a flash, it would be the equivalent of suicide for you.

          • JeffH

            HAH! Dream on sweetcakes, dream on…Duncan…

  • Gymbo

    It’s Just a Thug Thang’

    A-one-two-three to the four, Barack Hussein Obami and Joe Biden at the door, ready to make an entrance, so back on up, cuz you know they continue to mess thangs up.

    Stepping up to the mic, now you know they’re in trouble, the prompters off the hook so you know they’ll start to babble…

    Ain’t nothing but a G-thang baby, two loc’d out libbies that are crazy, Tony Rezko’s the sucker that pays me, unfazeable, so the media can’t haze me….

  • DaveH

    While I agree that our laws should be obeyed, the Mexican illegals are not the cause of our decay. They are understandably desperately seeking a way to make a decent living because their government long ago took the Mexico hostage to heavy government meddling and crony capitalism at the expense of the ordinary citizens. And here, in the US, both major parties are heading us in that same direction. The Democrats build Government to redistribute the wealth (mostly among the leaders) and save us from those Big Bad Corporations (i.e., the ones who don’t contribute to the Democratic Party). The Republicans build Government to save us from ourselves, and they make things even worse than they were without the control.
    We need to wake up and realize that it is Big Government that is taking us down the road of destruction. Yes, leaders in both parties probably have good intentions, at least in the beginning, but money and power are mighty tempting. It takes extraordinary people to forego that money and power and do what is really right. The only way we can prevent that occurance is to work hard to greatly reduce the size of Government. The smaller they are, the less harm they can do. Give the power back to the Individual, as our Founders intended.

    • American Citizen

      The old saying still holds true, “The road to hell is paved with good intentions.” If the Federal Government was to be held to its true reason for being, they wouldn’t need to sit up there but for a few weeks a year. Think of the money we’d save. We also should not be paying for their pensions. They earn enough to save for their retirement. Let them pay into SS like the rest of us have to do also. We had to invest in order to have supplement income for SS after we retired. Now the Feds are robbing us (they’re responsible for our money woes right now) and our investments need careful watching. We need a complete turnover up there in Washington, starting at the top. Vote, it’s your civic duty.

    • usainshambles

      DAVE ARE YOU NOT PAYING ATTENTION?? THERE ARE THESE RACIST MEXICAN GROUPS CALLED LA RAZA, MECHA AND A COUPLE OTHERS. THESE PEOPLE ARE NO LONGER HERE TO GET A BETTER LIFE,THEY’VE SUCKED ALL OUT OF US, NOW THEY WANT YOUR TERRITORY. ANY CULTURE THAT COMES TO ANOTHER COUNTRY AND DOESN’T FOLLOW THEIR RULES SHOULD BE CLOSELY LOOKED AT….PAY ATTENTION!!!!

  • eddie47d

    Good post Dave H.

  • eddie47d

    Charles C. Davis; You had me going on some of your comments but then you said that”Mexico” has armored personel carriers and tanks at our border and firing upon our border agents and law enforcement. I think not so you ruined your whole speel.

  • chuck b

    american citizen

    Members of Congress—and all other federal employees, from the president on down—have been required since Jan. 1, 1984, to pay into Social Security. Before that, they were covered by the Civil Service Retirement System, a separate pension plan that predated Social Security by 15 years and was frequently criticized as being overly generous to beneficiaries.
    Members who participated in the congressional pension system are vested after five (5) years of service. A full pension is available to Members 62 years of age with 5 years of service; 50 years or older with 20 years of service; or 25 years of service at any age. A reduced pension is available depending upon which of several different age/service options is chosen. If Members leave Congress before reaching retirement age, they may leave their contributions behind and receive a deferred pension later.[1] The current pension program, effective January 1987, is under the Federal Employees Retirement System (FERS), which covers members and other federal employees whose federal employment began in 1984 or later. This replaces the older Civil Service Retirement System (CSRS) for most members of congress and federal employees.
    i suppose they double dip by taking ss too.

  • chuck b

    charles c davis

    where did you get the info on the armored cars and tanks firing at our border patrol?. that would be an act of war!, good comments until you got to that part.

    • Jana

      chuck,
      Then you don’t live near the border. The Federales pronounced federalees aren’t the only ones that get a hold of that type of equipment. Drugs pay for a lot of this stuff. It is a war that is raging down here on the borders.

  • US Patriot

    Reposting my orginal blog on Joe Legal vs. Jose Illegal:

    This is sad but true..what do you think?

    You have two families: “Joe Legal” and “Jose Illegal”.
    Both families have two parents, two children, and live in California.

    Joe Legal works in construction, has a Social Security Number and makes $25.00 per hour with taxes deducted.

    Jose Illegal also works in construction, has NO Social Security Number, and gets paid $15.00 cash “under the table”.

    Ready? Now pay attention…

    Joe Legal: $25.00 per hour x 40 hours = $1000.00 per week, or $52,000.00 per year. Now take 30% away for state and federal tax; Joe Legal now has $31,231.00.

    Jose Illegal: $15.00 per hour x 40 hours = $600.00 per week, or
    $31,200.00 per year. Jose Illegal pays no taxes. Jose Illegal now has
    $31,200.00.

    Joe Legal pays medical and dental insurance with limited coverage for his family at $600.00 per month, or $7,200.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $24,031.00.

    Jose Illegal has full medical and dental coverage through the state and local clinics at a cost of $0.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has
    $31,200.00.

    Joe Legal makes too much money and is not eligible for food stamps or
    welfare. Joe Legal pays $500.00 per month for food, or $6,000.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $18,031.00.

    Jose Illegal has no documented income and is eligible for food stamps and welfare. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.

    Joe Legal pays rent of $1,200.00 per month, or $14,400.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $9,631.00.

    Jose Illegal receives a $500.00 per month federal rent subsidy. Jose
    Illegal pays out that $500.00 per month, or $6,000.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.

    Joe Legal pays $200.00 per month, or $2,400.00 for insurance. Joe Legal now has $7,231.00.

    Jose Illegal says, “We don’t need no stinkin’ insurance!” and still has $31,200.00.

    Joe Legal has to make his $7,231.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, etc.

    Jose Illegal has to make his $31,200.00 stretch to pay utilities,
    gasoline, and what he sends out of the country every month.

    Joe Legal now works overtime on Saturdays or gets a part time job after work.

    Jose Illegal has nights and weekends off to enjoy with his family.

    Joe Legal’s and Jose Illegal’s children both attend the same school. Joe Legal pays for his children’s lunches while Jose Illegal’s children get a government sponsored lunch. Jose Illegal’s children have an after school ESL program. Joe Legal’s children go home.

    Joe Legal and Jose Illegal both enjoy the same police and fire services, but Joe paid for them and Jose did not pay.

    Do you get it, now?

    If you vote for or support ANY politician that supports illegal aliens…YOU are part of the problem!

    It’s way PAST time to take a stand for America and Americans! VOTE ‘EM ALL OUT IN 2010!!!!!

    What are you waiting for?

    • usainshambles

      THAT WAS AWESOME, NOW I KNOW HOW THEY CAN AFFORD TO DRIVE A CADILLAC ESCALADE. I’VE BEEN WONDERING FOR SO LONG

  • jkm

    “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”

    I am curious about the statement, “and subject to the jurisdiction thereof…” Doesn’t this mean, subject to the laws of the U.S? So if a baby is born in this country from parents who were breaking the law by being here illegally (they were not subject to the jurisdiction)…then wouldn’t that mean that the birth of the baby as a “citizen of the U.S.” would be null and void since the law was being broken in the first place?

    Just curious.

    • Mick for thought

      The 14th amendment does not make mention of the basis of your comments. The child is innocent and has no say-so to where he is born, but rather his parents are committing a crime or not is not the issue. The child is a US citizen and the parents are not. There is nothing written in the law that says the parents get to stay if discovered by INS. If they are deported would they leave their US citizen child behind. 30 years ago when I worked as a nurse in a newborn ICU in Texas. We received many babies that Mom had when she walked across the border. The child got their US birth certificate then went back to Mexico. That birth certificate could be used for the child to return and the parents to get green cards and eventually become citizens themselves. But this anchor baby concept implies the parents get to stay in the US when the baby is born here. Big difference.

    • usainshambles

      OH GOD I HOPE SO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • http://n/a PHIL

    Teri L,what would be your reaction if these immigrants were white people from Canada? Would you exhibit the same amount of anger towards illegal immigration?I bet that is exactly what was happening in the 19th & 20th centuries right,it was open borders for Europeans huh.If the excuse against immigration today is overburdening of the public services and influx of crime,back then the Country wasn’t even as much developed as it is today,but it coped with mass emigration from Europe.Crime caused by mostly Italian and Irish immigrant groups was nowhere close to crime figures caused by any immigrant group today.
    It is true that any Country has to check it’s borders.But the United States being a nation founded upon immigration itself,unlike many other nations,must go about the issue of immigration carefully so as not to antagonize it’s very Principles it was Founded Upon.We cannot just let some among us hijack the tenets enshrined in our Beautiful constitution by spinning the meaning of Patriotism to quench their thirst for Hate.

    • Teri L

      You are deliberately twisting my words and ignoring the point. That is a classic tool. Wrong, the United States is not obligated to walk on eggshells in order not to compromise her principles and basic premise of freedom. She does not need to observe the ridiculous progressive notion of political correctness either. We are a sovereign nation, with borders. Borders that need to be closed tighter than my granny’s girdle until this problem is solved. Once that is done our immigration laws which were always there and quite adequate must be enforced.

      Some of those Irish immigrants were my great grandparents on my Mother’s side. But guess what? They came in through the front door and it took years for my grandfather to become naturalized but he worked hard and he did it.

      I don’t hate anybody but I do hate what is happening to my country at the hands of the unlawful regime at this time.

      We owe nobody a free ride and nobody amnesty. The tenets of our Beautiful constitution did not include PC, liberal spin or open borders. I know what Patriotism means and it does not mean apologizing for this nation or demeaning her people. Apparently you have first hand knowledge of a thirst for hate.

      Personally I am sick and tired of that asinine accusation instead of intelligent debate based on fact.

      Saul Alinsky was a twisted individual at best, at worst a truly evil one and it will never be true that the ends justify the means or that one should never waste a perfectly good crisis. The game is up and the people are awake. Deal with it.

      • JeffH

        Teri L, you are correct about the Alinsky tactics used by the worshippers…Racism, hate…whatever can be fabricated or “read into” anything that they don’t agree with. I, like most feel as you do. Others are more concerned about socializing this country and they can go to hell in a handbasket.

        I guess you became the “target”. Classic Alinsky tactics

        8. “Keep the pressure on, with different tactics and actions, and utilize all events of the period for your purpose.”
        10. “The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition. It is this unceasing pressure that results in the reactions from the opposition that are essential for the success of the campaign.”
        13. Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it. In conflict tactics there are certain rules that [should be regarded] as universalities. One is that the opposition must be singled out as the target and ‘frozen.’… “…any target can always say, ‘Why do you center on me when there are others to blame as well?’ When your ‘freeze the target,’ you disregard these [rational but distracting] arguments…. (Then, as you zero in and freeze your target and carry out your attack, all the ‘others’ come out of the woodwork very soon. They become visible by their support of the target…’)

      • http://n/a PHIL

        Teri L,
        Yes we both agree that our borders should be sealed to avoid an uncontrolled influx of immigrants.But you are dodging my question my friend,if the immigrants were Whites from Canada,would you be outraged the same way as you’re towards the Mexican immigrants? In the not too distant past, non-white immigrants were not let into the Country,probably you don’t know that.
        Personally I think the euphoric outrage towards Mexican immigrants is based on Race.It may not necessary be out of Hatred but out of Fear. However Hate of cause find it’s way easily into the equation.There is this prediction going on that by the year 2050 whites may become a minority.And indeed this looks real because Hispanics are multiplying in large numbers .Whites on the other hand wallow in vanity,some would rather have a dog than raise babies.Aren’t you scared of that my friend?Just be Honest please.

        • Jana

          Phil,
          Well now see, that’s what you get for thinking. You are twisting her words. Yes, we would feel that way no matter who it is. White or any color. Get a grip.

        • JeffH

          PHIL…in my opinion you are either being naive or dishonest and baiting. You said: “Personally I think the euphoric outrage towards Mexican immigrants is based on Race.It may not necessary be out of Hatred but out of Fear. However Hate of cause find it’s way easily into the equation.”

          You’ve used “race” and “hate” when Teri L said nothing to indicate either. You, my friend, are very sneaky and I do believe Teri L called it correct. You are trying to bait her under the guise of honesty.

        • Teri L

          Wrong again. I am not dodging your question. It doesn’t matter who they are or where they came from. Illegal is illegal. White, brown, black, pink, orange or plaid. This is not a race issue by any stretch of the imagination. My brother in law is Mexican. Legal Mexican. I have always adored him and his family. I was raised in California and speak Spanish. I am something of an historian and often write articles on the truth of the contributions of our Black citizens to the founding of this nation, on Native American history and other subjects left out of the history books or what passes for history books used in our schools. So the race card with me is wasted.

          If the current problem were millions of destitute, or criminal or even indolent Canadians were descending on this nation like a hoard of Locusts, I would expect the Northern to states to do the same thing Arizona is doing if the federal government refused to secure the borders. The only reason it isn’t now is that they haven’t figured out just yet how to shove amnesty down our throats and get away with it. These people are being used disgustingly. By their own government to subsidize its economy and by ours as the desperate left salivates over a helpless voter block not educated enough to know the difference.

          It is common law in this country for law enforcement officers to request ID in any number of situations for any reason they deem necessary. This is no different than if you are asked for your drivers license upon a traffic stop or in an equipment check road block etc. The entire argument over racial profiling is ignorant, transparent and baseless.

          All illegals, regardless of race, creed, age, or gender must go. If they truly wish to be American they can go to the back of the line behind thousands already waiting to enter through the front door and become responsible citizens. We will welcome them with open arms. Immigration for political gain is abhorrent, as is this administration.

          BTW, Alinsky tactics will not work with me. In fact they don’t work with any truly intelligent person and thankfully the majority of the American people are intelligent. We know when the left throws silly arguments and accusations they are themselves guilty of, that it is a clear sign that they are getting nervous and are unable to debate the facts.

        • Teri L

          “There is this prediction going on that by the year 2050 whites may become a minority.And indeed this looks real because Hispanics are multiplying in large numbers .Whites on the other hand wallow in vanity,some would rather have a dog than raise babies.Aren’t you scared of that my friend?Just be Honest please.”

          Before you ask for honesty, check your facts. The “White” population in the Southern States has always been the minority. The Non-White population in the border states has always been prevalent. As I stated earlier I was raised in California and I always thought it was a refugee state, anyone not wanted elsewhere would end up there. California has always been the state with the most tolerance for any social ill. It was also a melting pot of ethnicity when I left in the early 80′s and I am sure much more so now.

          You think it’s vanity when any responsible person chooses not to have children they cannot afford to raise without the help of a “Nanny State”? When instead they choose to have less children and provide them with the kind of home and security they deserve by hard work and personal responsibility?

          You point out that Hispanics are multiplying in large numbers. Of course they are. Under the unlawful 14th amendment to the unlawful constitution now being used, that’s the free ride ticket! Once that ticket has been redeemed all subsequent babies become the new free ride ticket to welfare, health care,housing etc. However the devastating effect to the economy via entitlement programs is not the central reason Arizona passed the new law.

          According to documents obtained from a federal detention center in Pheonix, Arizona, hundreds of illegals arrested and detained are what the system refers to as OTM’s, (other than Mexican) from nations that support terror such as Afghanistan, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Pakistan and Yemen. Among the land fill reminiscent refuse left behind for miles across the Arizona desert, there is much more than back packs or empty water bottles. Muslim prayer rugs have been found along with military jackets containing insignia which translates to “Martyr…Way to Eternal Life or showing a plane crashing into one of the twin towers. These terrorists travel from Europe to the tri-border region of South America, learn to speak Spanish, then on to Mexico to blend in with the Mexican illegals flooding across the borders of the southern states.

          One congressional report confirms members of Hezbolah entering through the open borders of the southern states.

          Of the quarter million illegals captured each year through Tuscon, Arizona alone, 20% have criminal records. Hundreds are from terrorist nations. Just stop and think what that means in terms of numbers. Only a fraction of illegals crossing the borders are apprehended.

          The government no longer releases the lists of what they call captured OTM’s even to the members of the congressional Homeland Security committee. However one has been obtained by WSBTV from a congressional staffer. Georgia congressman Paul Brown who is on the Homeland Security committee had never seen one until the tv station presented it to him. Congressman Brown was shocked and asked for a copy to take back to Washington to share with the rest of the committee.

          Congressional reports show that Mexican drug cartels tightly control the smuggling of people, drugs, terrorists and weapons into the U.S. Congressman Brown has stated that we have hundreds and hundreds of middle eastern illegals coming in and frankly he doesn’t feel that most of these people are coming here to cut our grass.

          You can go to the 2 investigates page of the following website to see the complete list of people detained from nations that sponsor terror http://www.wsbtv.com/video/23438021/index.html

          These facts should make all of you defending illegals downright warm and fuzzy. No? Well add to the fact that they are infiltrating us like heart worms, the fact that we are paying them to be here and plot our demise through the very entitlement programs the Mexicans are taking advantage of.

          So I ask you, when we are talking about Islamic Terrorists blended into Hispanic illegals for the express purpose of invasion and terrorists acts against us, how concerned should we be over the ridiculous progressive accusation of racial profiling?

          Perhaps an ill gotten voter block is not the only reason this administration chooses not to secure our borders.

          Just in case you think I missed the snide remark about preferring dogs over babies, I will close this response with this. I had three children and now have nine grand children and I hate dogs. Sorry all you dog lovers out there but I just don’t share that passion.

          • JeffH

            Teri L. thank you for your well informed comments…a must read for those who care about America.

          • http://n/a PHIL

            Teri L,
            I hear your points and alot of what you wrote make sense.Nevertheless,I would like to know what is really motivating you and a cabal of other anti-immigration bloggers.Halt for a moment and close your eyes,put yourself in the shoes of the Native Americans who lost almost everything they had because of your ancestors having invaded their Land.Does it mean your Fear of Mexican immigrants surpasses the Nightmare Native Americans had to grapple with?

          • JeffH

            Phil, “I would like to know what is really motivating you and a cabal of other anti-immigration bloggers”. Anti-immiration, not at all! Anti-illegal immigration? Absolutely! Again you’ve tried to sneak one in and it’s obvious Teri L has stated her opinion, which certainly isn’t anti-immigration ut most certainly IS anti-illegal immigration. Give it a rest! You accomplish nothing with your liberal minded games.

          • PHIL

            JeffH.Terri L,DaveH and others.

            Any time one is associated with the Letters ISM,this usually is the begin of trouble. It means,they’re starting to get out of themselves or out of self-control.Fundamentalism,Racism,Nationalism,tribalism,terrorism,extremism…..on and on.
            When one can be described to flow in any form of ISM,it means they can be unreasonable,dangerous and delusional.
            Some anti-immigrant bloggers in this forum are becoming good candidates for extremism or Fundamentalism which in the guise of Americanism has a Potential to lead to Terrorism or xenophobia

          • Teri L

            JeffH.Terri L,DaveH and others.

            “Any time one is associated with the Letters ISM,this usually is the begin of trouble. It means,they’re starting to get out of themselves or out of self-control.Fundamentalism,Racism,Nationalism,tribalism,terrorism,extremism…..on and on.
            When one can be described to flow in any form of ISM,it means they can be unreasonable,dangerous and delusional.
            Some anti-immigrant bloggers in this forum are becoming good candidates for extremism or Fundamentalism which in the guise of Americanism has a Potential to lead to Terrorism or xenophobia”

            That has got to be the most ignorant drivel I have yet heard. What in the sam hell are you talking about? Where is “ism” in ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION? Where is “ism” in total support of the true constitution of the United States of America?

            You have gone from an indoctrinated sheep to a full fledged puppet. When you can’t defend your position with facts you start throwing nonsensical accusations?

            Your persistent and unfounded insistence that an opposition to ILLEGAL immigration equals Hispanic hatred was ridiculous enough and totally absurd. Then you bring the Indians into it who are not even part of this issue, they in fact are about as legal a citizen as you can get. Many of the tribes are in fact a separate NATION unto themselves and guess what? They want it that way.

            ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS OF ANY RACE, CREED OR COLOR are CRIMINALS. They have chosen to violate the laws of this country and are not entitled to ANY TYPE OF REWARD for having done so. You know very well that I have not said one word against LEGAL IMMIGRATION. In fact I know people who have been waiting a very long time to come in through the front door and I support their efforts one hundred percent.

            Oliver North said this morning that there are more people being killed on the Arizona border than all those in Iraq. Chew on that while standing on your soap box for these poor people who just “have to kill our citizens” so they can break our laws, rape our economy, overrun our entitlement programs and then disrespect us.

            By all means don’t pay any attention whatsoever to the fact that hundreds of pseudo-Mexican, (Islamic terrorists disguised as Hispanics), are coming into the country every single day through those borders our federal government refuses to secure.

            There are plenty of dictatorships around the world where you can enjoy complete governmental control over you. Where you can sit on your butt and collect your livelihood from the “Nanny state”, where the only personal responsibility expected of you is to do as you are told and only as you are told. This country IS NOT ONE OF THEM.

            Thank god for the people who still have a functioning, unencumbered brain who can still stand for America.

    • American Citizen

      It matters not their skin color or nationality, illegal is illegal, period.

    • usainshambles

      HEY PHIL, IF THE FINE PEOPLE OF MEXICO WERE NOT IN OUR AMERICAN STREETS PROTESTING, HOLDING UP TRAFFIC FOR HOURS, DEMANDING SHIT THAT THEY ARE NOT ENTITLED TO, BURNING OUR FLAG (SHALL I GO ON?) THROWING OUR FLAG ON THE GROUND, YELLING AND SCREAMING ABOUT HOW THEY WILL OVER THROW OUR GOVERNMENT AND KILL OUR CHILDREN, TELLING OUR LEGAL CITIZENS THEY CAN’T WEAR CLOTHES WITH THE “AMERICAN” FLAG ON IT, TEACHING MEXICAN RACISM IN OUR SCHOOLS, THEN I SUPPOSE NON OF US WOULD BE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION!!!!! I BET YOU THE CANADIENS WOULDN’T HAVE THE AUDACITY TO COME HERE AND DO THAT. DO YOU SEE THE ASIANS IN THE STREETS, DO YOU SEE THE ITALIANS IN THE STREETS,WHAT ABOUT THE SWEDES AND SO FORTH, I’M NOT A RACIST BUT ALL I SEE IS BBRROOWWN EVERYWHERE I LOOK. AND ALL I HEAR ARE IRRELEVENT STATEMENTS LIKE YOURS. PLEASE,PLEASE SHUT UP ALREADY WITH THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • http://libraryjp225@yahoo.com Janice Palesch

    I am a progressive, and I am completely with you on this issue. My mother come here legally with her parents in 1927 and had to take classes and study our government and its laws, in order to become citizens. It was a cherished RESPONSIBILITY. That is a word that has been forgotten. Citizenship is not a piece of candy you give to a cranky baby, to quiet it down. It requires much of the recipient. My grandparents and my mother took that respnsibility very seriously. They taught me to do the same.

    You might be interested to know that the LARGE majority of people who belong to a national progressive website, to which I also belong, stand with the position you are taking relative to illegal immigrants and “anchor babies”. I say, keep up the fight. US citizenship is to be prized and cherished, not given out willy nilly.

    Moreover, I am utterly outraged and insulted by some illegals, who propose having a revolution here. Their efforts would be much better served to go back home and start a revolution there, in their own country, to improve it, so their fellow countrymen and women will not have to leave thetr own nation, in order to find work and make a decent living. And, who the hell does Calderone think he is, coming to this country and complaining about our immigration laws? Let him stay in his own country. He is an insulting ass.

    • JeffH

      Janice Palesch, safe to say there is still some good common ground left that we all can walk together on. Thank you.

      • http://libraryjp225@yahoo.com Janice Palesch

        Thanks, Jeff, for welcoming me. I am strongly supporting your efforts with respect to the illegal immigration issues and “anchor babies”, in part, out of respect for and in memory of my mother, who died in December. She was almost 91 years old, and she was horrified to see our country’s citizenship handed out like party favors. She well remembered what it took for her and her parents to work hard, to become citizens. We DO have some common ground, and, except for the far, far radicals, most people in this nation do NOT like this invasion of our land and the coopting of our jobs.

        My favorite cousin lives in Sioux City, Iowa. Her son works for a meatpacking plant there – one of those chicken producers. He has told her that a huge number of illegals work there. Those are American jobs going to people, who are not US citizens, while so many of our own citizenry can’t find work. (And, that is a lot of American cuurrency that is leaving this country.) This is grossly unfair to everyone, except the illegals and the owners of the plants, who are making out like bandits. I really believe that the owners of these companies should be criminally prosecuted for hiring illegals. My father was a union man (Railroad). Many union jobs are going to illegals. That is an insult to every American man and woman who wants a job, but cannot get one. If my father were still alive, he would be outraged.

        I do not blame the illegals. They are merely trying to find a way to make a living because their own governments are so corrupt and their own countries are so dysfunctional that they cannot get work. That is the reason we need to cut the supply off at its source. If there are no jobs, illegals will not come. The penalties for companies, that hire these people in lieu of American citizens, should be so stiff, that they would be jeopardizing their own livelihood if they hired them.

        I would love to work with a group dealing with this issue, but I have so much to do after my mother’s death. I am an only child, and there is no other family to help me, so I have to handle everything alone. But, all groups that are willing to take on this issue have my solid moral support. You would be VERY surprised to know how many people on the left feel the same way. Many of them had parents who were union members. That’s why I say, the majority of the US citizenry is with you on this issue. I wish everyone well who is trying to keep the idea of citizenship a very special thing. It cannot be a “party favor”, and it is not for sale.

        • JeffH

          You’re more than welcome.

    • http://donaldson16@verizon.net sixgun

      Janice Palesch.I agree with you 100%.I have no problem with LEGALL IMMAGRATION.Meaning they swear an oath to this goverment,be giving NO special privlages,pay taxes and be subject to the same consaquences as everyone else if they break the law.I am the decendent of immagrints they had to go threw hell just to get there foot in the door and today like you said citizenship is giving away like candy.Illegals get goverment funding,special privlages,take jobs from legall americans or just sit home and do nothing and collect benifits and guess who pays for it all joe taxpayer and people wonder why we as a nation are so deeply in debt.This among other things but their is no denying this is a big contributer.Now these same privleged illegals have the nerve to burn our flag trash talk us saying they are going to take over our goverment start a revolution?I agree with what they say about starting a revolution though it wont be in there favor they are awakining a sleeping giant that of the american people who are fed up and have had enough.They want a war will give them one but like i said it wont be in there favor.

  • chuck b

    jeffh

    don’t trust’em too far. lol

    • JeffH

      chuck b, always vigilant.

  • http://Yahoo Laverne Moody

    As far as I know when you do something illegal in any country you have
    broken the law,and you are supposed to be punished ,regardless of race ,greed or color you have committed a crime,unles these people
    are stupid on top of breaking the law,what is it they do not understand? When we were growing up this was unheard of,immgrants
    from all over the world came to this country applied for legal citizenship,did what was asked of them LEARNED OUR LAWS & ENGLISH
    and became legal americans, WHO THESE PEOPLE THINK THEY ARE? I am
    so tired of our GOVERNMENT’S HANDLING OF THIS IF THE GOVENOR OF
    ARIZONA DECIDES TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT OF THE US she has my VOTE.

  • Freedom Fighter

    The way this has been interpreted and exploited by the left is sheer madness. Time to reverse this.

  • Robert Pgh Pa

    this is insanity at its worst and best. people who are for peoples rights call for violations of laws for people who are breaking the law. yet these same people call for new laws to punish people who are obeying the law. Insanity your name is the United States of America.

    • Right Wing

      You should try to understand that enforcing the existing law does not equal breaking the law to enforce it. America does not equal insanity. America is still full of people who understand the concept of freedom. If you feel that you don’t have freedom because of oppression, you still have it in your mind. If you immigrated to this country ingrained with a sense that your life is controlled, or are American and lost the sense of freedom, then perhaps the insanity plea fits you. I for one know what sacrifices have been laid on the alter of freedom and would gladly do the same at the ultimate expense to preserve it. Common sense cannot be subdued and will always anchor the concepts found in the Constitution of this Republic. Read it and The Federalist if you need a clearer picture of what was intended. Find the strength to repair the machinery of this country from the wear and grime that covers it. Those that doubt the US machine can run will abandon it for the slick-tongued sales job of something less. Those with knowledge will ignore the doubter’s cries and do the thankless work of redirecting US to where We the People were headed. If you don’t know where you are headed, all roads will lead you there.

  • http://www.archivale.com/weblog/ Marc de Piolenc

    Jus solis – the “law of the soil” is how EVERY native-born American attains to his birthright as a citizen. Eliminate this for the children of “illegal” migrants, and you eliminate it for everybody by establishing the principle that government has the final say in who is, and who is not, born an American. This is completely contrary to our common law tradition – incorporated by reference into the Constitution – that says that citizenship of natives is a given fact, which government has no say in.
    The so-called immigration problem is being carefully contrived by government to sneak in such unconstitutional measures, ironically with the full support of those who love freedom, and therefore have the most to lose by their implementation.
    Let’s be clear on this: immigration is only a problem because of the welfare state and its taxpayer-funded “benefits.” It’s the welfare state that needs to go, not immigration. Once the problem of Big Government kleptocracy is solved, the immigration “problem” disappears because every immigrant, like every citizen, will have to succeed or fail on his own merits and by his own effort, without the involuntary assistance of Joe Taxpayer.

    • Teri L

      Yes the welfare state, alias “Big Government” has to go. What we are seeing and feeling now is exactly where progressive socialist agendas always lead. Not only has history proven this over and over and over again, there is plenty of evidence in the here and now around the world of the consequences of collectivist thinking.

      What otherwise intelligent proponents of this ideology never seem to address is the fact that any kind of government cannot exist without the few, the elite, at the top. These elite never suffer the daily realities of those they govern.

      There is but one purpose to redistribution of wealth, and that is massive power and control. It will not lead to more people existing under a better standard of living. It leads to global poverty, dependence upon the elite for basic survival and then once this has been accomplished, a massive decrease in population. I won’t even start on the evidence of that goal here as this thread does not concern that issue.

      I leave you with this question, Which of our leaders who are shouting reform, redistribution, social justice and the global warming scam, have stepped up to the plate and offered to share or redistribute their own wealth? Please do not answer Al Gore. Yes he has promised that but before the spittle was dry on his mouth he purchased a 9 million dollar vacation estate in California and at least one more jet.

    • Right Wing

      Very good summation Marc. I don’t think the question of immigration is in question here. The point is illegal immigration and the subsequent legal foothold that illegals have in rearing children once in America. I agree the kleptocracy is the first issue and we must make a return journey to the guidance under the Constitution. Illegal immigration is a concurrent need that must be addressed as well.

  • JeffH

    Away from the subject but certainly important enough to share…

    At West Point, Obama talks up security strategy
    President vows an ‘international order’ as part of new national policy

    “The international order we seek is one that can resolve the challenges of our times,’” he said in prepared remarks. “Countering violent extremism and insurgency; stopping the spread of nuclear weapons and securing nuclear materials; combating a changing climate and sustaining global growth; helping countries feed themselves and care for their sick; preventing conflict and healing its wounds.”

    “But he said civilians must answer the call of service as well, by securing America’s economic future, educating its children and confronting the challenges of poverty and climate change.”

    “Obama said the United States will pursue a strategy of “national renewal and global leadership.”
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37291693/ns/politics-washington_post/

    One only needs to read into these comments to understand that America as a sovereign nation in doomed under Obamas agenda. He must be stopped…vote wisely in November…your freedoms depend on it

    • Smilee

      Jeffie

      Your head is really spinning today. You read so much into this that was not there and that is what spinning is, careful to not spin to much you may get even more dizzy than you normally are!!!!!!

      • JeffH

        DUH! Duncan…

  • JeffH

    Daily Presidential Tracking Poll

    The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Sunday shows that 26% of the nation’s voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president. Forty-three percent (43%) Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -17.

  • Mick for thought

    Weird math. 43% + 26% = 79%. 21% seem to be withholding their opinion. Which pole are you quoting again. Could not find it.

  • Mick for thought

    Never mind. Found it but you are picking and choosing what you pass along. For anyone who wants to look here is the link.

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_month_by_month

    • JeffH

      Not at all, “strongly approve” and “strongly disapprove” is very clear as you can see…now if you feel any better about it, overall, 45% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the president’s performance. Fifty-four percent (54%) disapprove.

      No matter how it is spun, Americans disapprove of the presidents performance up to this point in time.

      • JeffH

        I’ll add this:

        Rasmussen Reports has been a pioneer in the use of automated telephone polling techniques, but many other firms still utilize their own operator-assisted technology (see methodology). Pollsters for Presidents Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton have cited our “unchallenged record for both integrity and accuracy.”

        http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

      • Mick for thought

        Good job. Now you put the whole truth out there. Check out Reagan’s approval rating at the 17-18 month mark. No link, I know you can find it.

        • JeffH

          Mick, as much as you try, this is posted to show Obama’s current rating and no one elses. Is it really that tough to understand or is it simply that you don’t care for it and are trying to change the direction of my post?

  • DaveH

    More Obama abuse of power:
    http://www.newsmax.com/Morris/finance-bill-barack-obama/2010/05/21/id/359786

    From the article:
    “The bill authorizes the secretary of the Treasury — a political appointee — to seize any financial company (bank or nonbank) simply because, in his opinion, it is too big to fail and in danger of insolvency”.
    In other words, they haven’t paid enough to the Obama campaign.

  • DaveH
  • Mick for thought

    Dear lord I love the phrase “In other words”. This usually means from either the left or the right “I will now totally misrepresent the truth”.

    • DaveH

      When we are dealing with liars, we can only read between the lines to know what they are really up to. In other words, the word of a Liberal is to be taken with a very big grain of salt.
      For instance, I am responding to a man who says repeatedly that he isn’t a Liberal, yet he regularly sticks up for flaming Liberals. Has anybody seen him stick up for the Conservatives?

  • Mick for thought

    Try this link for history on the above link.

    http://www.dkosopedia.com/wiki/Newsmax

    • DaveH

      Do you deny, Liberal Mick who says he isn’t a Liberal, that those elections took place? Are you saying Newsmax is lying about those elections? What is your point? Is it that we should take the word of a Liberal over Newsmax?
      Are you aware that Dick Morris advised the Clintons?

      • Mick for thought

        No DaveH I am saying Newsmax is no more capable of having an objective opinion than you are. They are a conservative news agency that will put the conservative slant on any news.

        You can call me whatever you want. Does not matter. I belong to myself not one wing or the other. Ask JeffH if I have stood behind him before and if you go back you will find at least 1 time in this particular blog that I told AL he was wrong.

        This news story has drifted us far from the the subject of 14th amendment but here is my opinion this story.

        I truly doubt this power will be given to just one man. I suspect the final bill will give the Secretary of the Treasury power to execute the will of the people. I expect it will require confirmation by our representatives that oversea the banking institutions – a committee of conservatives and liberals – that the institution is beyond recovery.

        If we bail out big banks it would be a socialist takeover and not fair to the banks that have conducted themselves in an intelligent, responsible manner.

        If we just let them fail they may drag the whole economy down with them.

        I think I prefer they be carefully liquidated rather than the 2 choices currently have.

        • DaveH

          I care little about what you suspect. Have you read the Bill? Can you point out where they say the decision will not be made by one man?

          For a man who claims to be unbiased and independant, you sure do have a lot of “opinions”. You are a legend in your own mind, Mick, and only there.

          • DaveH

            And I will reiterate: Can you tell me what in the Newsmax article is erroneous? So far I have seen you make unsupported statements about their bias, but I have seen no specific refutation of their article. You can dance around all you want, but your words mean nothing to me, unless they are supported with facts.

          • Mick for thought

            The bill is not done. I did not say the article was false just spun to the right wing reader.

          • Mick for thought

            Well you are just turning to insults aren’t you DaveH? Give me a little bio so I know that you have some knowledge base for opinion other than the dribble I see so far.

          • Mick for thought

            From title to adjectives used it is full of bias.

          • Mick for thought

            Good night all. This week, coming up, is my busy week at work. I will miss you all. Please keep doubting the media; doubt all media left and right it is just about ratings and money for them all. Rather, try asking yourself what is the truth but do not fall into a conspiracy mindset. If something can not be substantiated with evidence it is fabrication I know it hard to wait for final Bills to come from our representatives but obsessing, over what the final bill is, will make you crazy.

            God night God Bless America,

  • DaveH
  • DaveH

    The term “illegal aliens” will no longer be allowed. From now on, they will be referred to as “undocumented Democrats”.

  • eddie47d

    Dave H.; Are you that gullible to say Newsmax is a factual magazine. It deals in right sided opinions just like The Nation magazine deals in left sided opinions. Some of us know the difference.

    • DaveH

      Are you being Factual, Eddie? What in the world has their bias got to do with the election results in the article? Are you saying they are wrong? If so, please point out the errors.
      I know that Newsmax is biased to the right, and I certainly don’t agree with every stand they take. But if you accuse them of writing erroneous articles, then have the decency to point out their errors.

  • eddie47d

    Fire blower Jeff H.;Obamas West Point speech sounded like it was straight out of Reagans mouth. So your punch line,let’s say, was a little punchy. Sometimes you can be such a negative groundhog. As you say,there are bigger fish to fry so why waste it on a rather positive speech.

    • JeffH

      Oh dear misguided eddie…tell me that Obama has no thoughts of a global government would you? There are always these types of little kickers in his speeches and what a better way to impress the future commanders of tomorrow than to sneak a little message into his speech.
      You shouldn’t trurt him, no way, no how.

      • JeffH

        trurt=trust

  • eddie47d

    Dave H;undocumented democrates! I’ll give you a pass on that one because you usually have your head screwed on right. Please don’t come back and say, “at least it’s not screwed on left”. Adios!

    • DaveH

      Eddie,
      Are you really so gullible as to believe the Democrats are going to admit that they want the votes of the illegals?

  • DaveH

    At least the caller was honest enough to admit she’s on Welfare:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMK9zxb5HyE&NR=1

  • eddie47d

    That’s just an opinion your putting out there about democrates. I for one don’t believe it so to me it’s just a smerkey remark. There are so so many on this page.

  • chuck b

    daveh

    sounds exactly like a calif. demo.

    • JeffH

      chuck b, believe me when I say they all sound the same…

  • JeffH

    Right now, freedom-stealing statists Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC) and Senator Chuck Schumer (D-NY), banding together with other statists from both parties, are scheming to sneak a massive power grab into a new “immigration reform” bill.

    If passed, it would require every American to obtain a National ID card to work legally in the U.S. — and you can bet it will be only a matter of time until they’re required even for simple purchases.

    That’s why it’s vital you sign the petition to your Senators IMMEDIATELY.

    “Say No to the National ID Card”
    Petition to your Senators

    Whereas: Governments that truly want to protect liberty have no need to track the every move of their citizens; and

    Whereas: Privacy from government is a chief cornerstone of our liberties, enshrined in the Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution; and

    Whereas: In the past, many Members of Congress, instead of taking steps to actually end our illegal immigration problem, have chosen to use the issue to dramatically expand government intrusion into our lives; and

    Whereas: The so-called “Comprehensive Immigration Reform” proposal being touted by Senators Chuck Schumer and Lindsey Graham includes a de facto National ID card that would be required for all U.S. citizens in order to hold a job legally; and

    Whereas: Biometric scanning technology would be included in the card which could allow government bureaucrats to track citizens’ every move;

    Therefore: I urge you to vote to defeat any legislation requiring U.S. citizens to obtain a National ID card just to get a job — or any other bill that would establish a National ID card that includes biometric scanning or tracking devices.
    http://www.chooseliberty.org/NationalId3.aspx?pid=ws3

    And if passed, the “Comprehensive Immigration Reform Bill” would require a new National ID card that would:

    *** Include biometric identification information, such as fingerprints, retinal scans or scans of veins on the back of hands. Depending on the technology used, the ID card could easily be used as a tracking device;

    *** Be required for all U.S. workers regardless of place of birth, and make it illegal for anyone to hold a job in the United States who doesn’t obtain the ID card;

    *** Require all employers to purchase an “ID scanner” to verify the ID cards with the federal government. Every time any citizen applies for a job, the government would know — and you can bet it’s only a matter of time until “ID scans” will be required to make even routine purchases, as well.
    Of course, the most dangerous part of the bill is the biometric tracking technology which would allow federal bureaucrats to track our every move.

    • Teri L

      Any National biometric Id Card is the final nail in the coffin of the United States of America. Anyone who does not see that might as well put in your order for your preferred flavor of Kool-aid.

      Sadly our own federal government is pushing, baiting and counting on war, right here on our soil. It is abundantly clear the majority of America does not support a single action having come from this administration. There are false flag events almost daily now in preparation to disarm us and a disgusting effort to divide the people against themselves.

      This has nothing to do with party. They are both guilty beyond measure. They are both corrupt beyond repair.

  • usainshambles

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  • usainshambles

    HERE’S ANOTHER FOR YOU PHIL

    The Naturalization Act of 1795
    Appearing in Folwell’s “Laws of the U.S,” printed in 1796

    Even though America has been and remains today a nation of immigrants, its citizens have viewed immigrants with a certain apprehension. As such, the process of immigration itself has been a problem for the country’s leadership.

    During the 1790′s many in the U.S. were concerned that the growth in the number of political refugees, particularly those men and women driven out by the revolution in France, might prove inimical to American liberty.

    Alarmed by the influx of so many immigrants, Congress on January 29, 1795 modified the Act of 1790, raising the period of residence from two years to five years before a person could be naturalized.

    • PHIL

      usainshambles,
      I see you got your sword well sharpened.I will be responding to you soon.

  • eddie47d

    Let’s see now Jeffy, You complain loud and clear that Mexicans are coming across the border undocumented and you want to make sure they all have the proper papers.That seems reasonable. Now Washington is listening and want all immigrants to have a National ID card so we know who is who.Correct. Although your screaming for this documentation is bringing about this National ID business that you are telling everyone to be against. Your never happy either way and just want to stir the pot.

    • JeffH

      eddie, you being the all trusting soul you are just like to stir a little turmoil yourself eh? This is about illegals in case you aren’t aware. I don’t trust this Marxist led government as far as I can throw them, and that includes ALL of the liberal “progressives” that support them. Stir the pot? Not! As someone else has said on more than one occasion, and I’ll put my little stir into it dear eddie…if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then dear it must be a duck. Whatever happened to enforcing existing laws…that would be so much simplar, but no, that just doesn’t work does it.
      I do hope you have more than one chamge of cloths, come November, you’ll need them as American’s make a statement…kind of a “shot heard round the world” if you will!
      Just keeping the Liberty Bell ringing!

    • American Citizen

      We all have to have a Social Security #, if you drive a license with your picture on it plus proof of insurance, a valid driver’s license or ID card in order to vote, ID in order to cash a check, etc. Having to have valid ID is nothing new.

      • Teri L

        ALL OF WHICH ARE UNLAWFUL ALREADY!

        I posted way above this one as to the ACT OF 1871. http://www.byronwine.com/files/1871.pdf

        “The Act of 1871 formed a corporation called THE UNITED STATES. The
        corporation, OWNED by foreign interests, moved in and shoved the original Constitution into a dustbin. With the Act of 1871, the organic Constitution was defaced — in effect vandalized and sabotage — when the title was capitalized and the word “for” was changed to “of” in the title.”

        That is why the 16th amendment which was never legally ratified allowed the federal reserve to exist and then for the unlawful defacto government to create false corporate entities out of each and every one of us via the birth certificate and the SSI#’s, so that we each are reduced to trusts bonds (chattel) to be traded on the open market.

        We have not had a lawful president since Abraham Lincoln. The real constitution was suspended at the start of the Civil War and was never re-instated. We have had a series of CEO’s of the CORPORATION of the United States since that time. Non of them have any jurisdiction outside the confines of the District of Columbia except by our consent.

        Now before any of you liberal progressives start spouting off at me go do some homework and find out for yourselves, the truth instead of the deliberate falsehoods you were taught in school.

        The Act of 1871 is just the bare peek at what is inside the rabbit hole.

    • http://libraryjp225@yahoo.com Janice Palesch

      Dear Eddie 47,

      I think I understand the issue involving the proposed national I.D. card and the reason so many people, including myself, oppose it. Although I strongly support the concept of documenting every single person, who comes into this country from any nation, I do not support the introduction and use of a general national I.D. card for a number of reasons.

      The national I.D. card is not proposed to be issued only for immigrants. It is proposed for EVERYONE, including American citizens (both those naturalized and those who were born here and whose families have been here legally for many years). On first blush, this might seem to be a quite reasonable and benign process. But, when one considers the implications of something like that, one quickly realizes that it is prone to unwarranted and nefarious usage by numerous people and groups of people. The proposed National I.D. card would carry within it a great deal of personal information, including medical, financial, and other such records, which have heretofore been within the province of the privacy of the individual citizen. Moreover, the chips to be embedded in these cards can be scanned and read from within a certain distance of the individual carrying it, even though it may be concealed on that individual’s person. That such information would be readily available to total strangers without our consent or knowledge is, at best, an intrusion upon the privacy of every American citizen. At worst, it could potentially provide for widespread misuse and cause harm to everyone of us. I am adamantly opposed to total strangers to having access to my personal medical and financial records, as are most people.

      It would be naive to think that such things could not happen in the US. The social security card number, for example, was initially to have been used only for purposes of tax and other governmental benefits. Unfortunately, its use and dissemination have become so widespread, that many individuals have had their own identities stolen, resulting in tremendous loss in terms of money, time, and reputation to those whose identities were stolen through this means. It would be mere folly to introduce into the mainstream of society something that carries so much personal information and that is even more intrusive into the personal lives of our citizens. The potential for misuse and abuse is limitless.

      Although we do need to know who is entering our country, we cannot afford to jeopardize our own individual personal, financial, and medical security with such a far-reaching and potentially destructive concept as a national I.D. card for everyone, including American citizens. There is simply too much potential for mischief.

  • DownToEarth

    Dear People,
    I am old, busted, been there and done that. I served this country from state-side for where I was needed most, making sure the reactors of the aircraft carriers and subs were working at 110% and perfect or lives would be lost.
    I have also owned various businesses, raced, pilot and lived a life as best as I could. Yes my body is paying for it now, but I would not change a thing. Also raise a family and tried to teach them as best as possible.
    Our country has been through many changes and our For-fathers wanted to guide this country into a new direction instead of “King & Country” to “People & Country”. We have lost our way through the years where our elected officials have forgotten that “WE THE PEOPLE….” put them there to help this great country of ours.
    Before anyone respond to this or anything or anyone else’s comments, please read all bills, laws and amendments to educate yourselves a bit with a legal dictionary as to understand the terms they put in. Only this way will you understand the true meaning of all.
    The healthcare bill is 2 fold. Good & bad. The way it is written violates the Constitution especially the 10th amendment. Via ratification is the only way to make it correct.
    For the people who have no idea what health care costs and are just venting here, let me bring you up to date. As a small business owner who has a health policy that is grouped together with other small businesses to keep cost down, for a decent policy ( no dental, eye and orthodontic)for a single person is $400/month – actual is 386.87 if you want to be nit-picky. that same policy with one dependent that bill jumps up to $630/month. And so on…..
    Our families came from a far to this great nation to start a new and dream the best for their siblings and their siblings. They dedicated their lives to this country and called it home. They had to do everything on their own with no help or hand-outs. And these immigrants turned this country into a great nation no matter where they cam from. Hard work, determination and perseverance with family & love, they survived.
    Today, the political agenda changed. It needs to be changed back to what it once was. There is no place in the Constitution that the general public money(your tax dollars) is to be for charity. The welfare system is nothing but a shame and miss used.
    Social Security money was taken out of the trust fund that it once was in for our elderly and put into the general fund cause there was more money then the government could have imagined. They used this money for their political agenda and changed this country.
    To fix social security is simple. Put it back in the trust fund. The elderly will have everything they need to live on. we need to do this and thank them for their fair share in making this country great from the sweat off their backs.
    People do your homework and read all the true laws and not the summaries. I promise you, It’s an eye opener.
    So before you open your mouths, please educate yourselves, be polite, courteous and respectful to all for only you have the power to change all.
    Take care & God bless all who have shed blood for this great nation of ours!

  • KELLI2L

    Simply put – - I believe that if we can get rid of the outdated “Anchor Baby” legislation – - ILLEGAL immigration will greatly deminish. . . .

  • KELLI2L

    Isn’t it odd to anyone else that those in this administration who tell us to share the wealth – are rich – and not willing to share….

    Isn’t it odd to anyone else that those in this administration who tell us we must have a Green Earth policy – but they are approving permits for polluters and not giving enough tax incentive to Solar, and other clean energy developement…etc. – yet they don’t want clean energy wind-mills IN THEIR LOCATIONS. . . . and they own huge homes where you can probably actually hear the energy sucking sounds. . . .

    Isn’t it odd to anyone else that those who are trying to promote thin-ness are over-weight too……

    I could go on and on but you get the hint, right. . . .

    • http://libraryjp225@yahoo.com Janice Palesch

      Kellie2L – Perfect statement. I could not have said it better myself. I, too, am fed up with all the hypocrisy.

  • Tim Ragan

    If a child is born on US soil as a result of the parents being in the country legally then that child could have duel citizenship. I would say that childs ability to act on this could happen when they turn 18 and file proper paperwork. This should not effect the parents citizenship.
    Let’s say I rob a bank. Before I am caught i give all the money to my wife. Does my wife get to keep the money? No, she doesn’t benifit from my illegal activity. It should work the same for “anchor baby’s” You don’t get rewarded for the breaking the law.
    I support the people of Arizona and hope that more states step up and protect themselves.

  • http://herringtons.home.mindspring.com lighterknot

    JeffH;
    Well I’m back from Space Mountain – had a nice trip up there on my Unicorn – one hell of a steed; we jumped over the Rainbow and I was privileged to see the other side. So strange I had a revelation; The savior was there, the one who can walk on water, fly, heal the sick, raise the dead, make rivers run backwards, scoop up oil-slicks put them back in tankers and put love in the hearts of all.(no it wasn’t Obama certianly not Bush) So they can go and do his work in heaven – being bleeding hearts and hugging trees, giving TLC to mother earth and taking down the war machinery making plow shears to do organic gardening. He wanted me to stick up my lighterknot as a symbol of the word. If I could have just left my hate there for Right Wing Know it Alls who masquerade as conservatives while laying waste to paradise itself by supporting Laissez Fair Capitalism. Well I had to decline which puts me in the same camp as you hate mongering liberal bashing nitwits all blindfolded in the American Flag.

    • JeffH

      Breath deeply…maybe a little more oxygen would help you release all that pent up hate for the right…

  • OneDamnAngryAmerican

    If I, a legal American citizen, wants to bring anybody, to include a distant cousin from another country, or a mail order slut, into the USA, I must provide proof to the US government that I can “support” that individual. If I cannot financial support that individual and prove to the feds that I can feed and cloth them as well as provide a roof over their heads, the feds will not allow me to bring that person into the USA or to make application for their visa (which currenty costs the applicant about $15.000.00 in visa fees). Why is this immigration rule different for an adult, but, yet an anchor baby does not need to make that same promise and provide proof that “it” is capable of doing so? I say to my government OBEY AND ENFORCE THE IMMIGRATION LAWS OF THE USA!

  • val

    A point to ponder in these arguments of conservatives verses liberals is how just about in anything that is conservative the word ‘liberty’ or ‘freedom’ is always attached to their proclamation. Why?. Apparently, to the ‘right’ no argument can be won without calling themselves something that is related to liberty or freedom. These seem to be key words, when, in the absent of facts for their arguments they want to attack an opponent, or one that is perceive as such. This brings to mind the ‘old communists’ republics of the cold war, that, as oppressive as they were, yet, constantly called themselves the ‘democratic republics’. Why should anyone go around proclaiming to be what should be self-evident, unless one is not what it proclaims to be?.
    Be aware of those that use the words ‘freedom’ or ‘liberty’ as part of their organizations name, just like the old communist republics were known as the ‘democratic republics”, the purpose is to mislead.
    Ps.- About conservatives, be careful what you wish for. Places like communist Cuba are conservative ( yes, communism is conservative, very conservative).

    • JeffH

      val, here in America we call the Cuban regime communists. Your definition and the “freedom and liberty” loveing conservative is like comparing apples to a pile. I think it is your “communist conservative” that stinks, no, I know your conservative communist stinks.

      • val

        jeff,

        The evidence is in plain view. The more conservative one is the more communist ones behaviour. Take conservative’s (right wing) radio,for example, and you will see the similarities. ‘Right’ wing radio is in a constant ‘war’ against main stream media which they describe as ‘drive- by media.’ And just like ‘right wing’ radio, communism too, is at war against the ‘media’, that is, any media that does not project its values. Jeff, the communist and conservative doctrine vilify anyone, or group, that does not toe their party line; and the more to the right the group turns the more narrow minded it becomes. Both groups live under a ‘siege mentality’ and are always willing to give up their rights, and to compromise their freedom to save it. Under communism these groups have managed to accomplished that. On the ‘right’ is only a matter of time if left up to demagogues with a microphone.

  • Lynda

    Obama should be impeached along with Reid and Nancy P! Then vote out every dishonest and back stabbing SOBs in Congress. Where has all the COMMON SENSE gone? There is TOO MUCH “I’ll scratch your back if you scratch my back” mentality. Start helping LEGAL American citizens with their debt not Big Corporations! People are living paycheck to paycheck, losing their homes etc, etc. I believe all home mortgages should be canceled giving their owners full ownership-no strings attached.. Screw Chase, B of A and every company that holds a title on someones home. Let these big companies fall just like millions other companies have fallen in the past. OB should have given every LEGAL American a million bucks or so instead of BILLIONS to the BIG FAT companies then the American people would have been able to pay their debts, promote jobs etc etc.

  • http://mog7@cox.net06042CT Muriel P. Goyette

    Enforce term limits by VOTING OUT ENCUMBENTS AFTER 1 OR 2 terms, and vote in ONLY PRO AMERICANS. ACLU should be put out of business. They mainly defend non citizens and those who are ANTI AMERICAN SPIRIT. Our founding fathers always mentioned God and all historical monuments are being rendered invalid by erasing the name of GOD on them. The Ten Commandments always decorated courtrooms. America should have stuck to tradition. ONLY THE BIBLE was used for oaths of office in AMERICA.
    ANCHOR BABIES: are another invention of ANTI AMEIRCAN WITH LOOSE MARBLES. ANTI. whoever in the world heard of INVADERS WHO ARE CRIMINALS SUDDENLY THEIR CHILDREN ARE AMERICAN CITIZENS? SHEER STUPIDITY.

  • Lee Myers

    I find it truly sorry for comments of individuals who thinks Hussien gave you health care. What right under the Constitution did this RIGHT come from. The only thing I see another take money out of my pocket to give to some loser who either cannot earn it hisself/herself. To many SOCIAL PROGRAMS we now pay for, from the money of those working and earning and those sitting around taking.

    Obama is a socialist period. He is trying everthing he can to destroy this country though his unsistainable expendatures.

    Let us go back to the Constitution of the United States, I would doubt Obama even read it, If he did his job to Uphold the Constituion which he has sworn to do, these problems would not exist. Obama should be impeached for not living up to his Oath of Office.

    Lee

  • val

    Wrong, Muriel, you can’t make the case for ‘GOD’ in all documents from the founding fathers because ‘GOD’ is not even invoked in the U.S. Constitution. They intended for the creation of a secular government. And for good reason too, because they did not want a religious based government. Remember, Muriel, people came here looking for religious freedom as much as for freedom from religion. It is good to read the constitution. Hopefully this answers similar comments made by others in regards to the issue of religion and government.

    • Teri L

      You are as wrong as you can be on that one. The founders were indeed religious men, most of them profoundly. They used the word “creator” instead of the word “god” for the simple reason that they understood that not all religions use the word god when in reference to the creator. These are the same men who penned and signed the original Declaration of Independence which is rife with biblical scripture reference. The founders struggled to create a constitution which would serve all the people all of the time and had we stuck to the original de jeur constitution instead of allowing outside banksters to create a new one, it would still be serving all the people today.

      Even though the founders were adamant on the subject of equality and fairness, the majority of them were deeply Christian and did not intend for the country to stray from biblical values.

      The biggest mistake everyone is making in this debate is in the failure to realize that we are talking about TWO VERY DIFFERENT documents and TWO VERY DIFFERENT governments. The original constitution and the de facto one adopted in 1871. The constitution which the Corporation United States is using is indeed a “living document”, it changes at the will of the owners of the corporation which is the IMF.

      In 1944, Washington D.C., which is not a state, was deeded to the International Monetary Fund (IMF) by the Breton Woods Agreement. The IMF is made up of wealthy people that own most of the banking industries of the world. It is an organized group of bankers that have taken control of most governments of the world so the bankers run the world. Congress, the IRS, and the President work for the IMF.

      The IRS is not a U.S. government agency. It is an agency of the IMF. (Diversified Metal Products v. IRS et al. CV-93-405E-EJE U.S.D.C.D.I., Public Law 94-564, Senate Report 94-1148 pg. 5967, Reorganization Plan No. 26, Public Law 102-391.)

      “The Supreme Court has said the De Jure Government offices still exist but the people have failed to occupy them.

      Remember Downs v. Bidwell and the dissenting opinion of Justice Marshall Harlan? He said that two national governments exist; one to be maintained under the Constitution, with all its restrictions. This is one that We the people need to force our elected public officials to occupy – De Jure rule.

      Meanwhile our original constitution was in tact and waiting for the American people to finally find out what had been done to them. It’s last lawful amendment was the 13th.

      This is the only conversation we should be having as it is at the root of all other issues. We are being unlawfully governed by a corporation which serves an elite group and has never since it’s inception and establishment, served the people. Until our original constitutional government is restored we can, as a people do nothing because our highest officials answer not to us but to their employers, a foreign company.

      • val

        Teri,

        You are confusing the Declaration of Independence with the U.S. Constitution. The constitution doesn’t make any reference to “GOD” nor a “CREATOR”, but, the Declaration of Independence” does reference to “Laws of Nature” and of “Nature’s God”. Now, Teri, to point at that as ‘proof’ of the founding fathers deep christian religious believes would be somewhat a stretch of the imagination when you also take into account that they were ‘masons’. Obviously I am not implying that they did not believe in ‘God’, of course they did, but they also, based on their writings and of the constitution, it is obvious that a religious government, christian or otherwise,is not what they were after,hence, a constitution absent of religious mandates.
        What has happened throughout the years since the founding of the United States is that as organized christian religion has become more prevalent it has demanded, and it has received, a greater voice in the way of governance. This allows it to perpetuate the myth that they were the reason the U.S. was founded.
        Now, let me be clear, I am not making a point for, or against “GOD’, because this is not the purpose for this letter. But my point is that because the ‘Declaration of Independence’ mentions “God” one should assumed that is talking to any particular religion anymore that it was based on environmental concerns because it makes reference to the “Laws of Nature”.

        Ps. Teri and to anyone that hold the same believes, please, do not confuse religion with the believe in God. Religion is nothing more than man attempt to define God.
        Also, you show me the most religious country, and I will show you the most screwed-up country.

        • Teri L

          First off I did not say the word God was in either document. I said the founders used the word “creator” when referencing a divine entity. I also said these men were, the majority of them, Christian and all the re-writing of history you can come up with will not change that. Yes, even in their own words.

          As for the idea that they were all “masons”,that is ridiculous and certainly would not preclude them from being of the Christian faith even if they were. George Washington was a mason, but in name only. There is no proof that he ever attended a meeting but it is widely believed that he attended three. At that time the “Masons” were the equivalent of “The Good Ole Boys Club”. A gentleman’s club that any upcoming young man wishing to promote his status would aspire to belong to. George Washington was not born into the upper class though he always wished to be accepted in those circles. He married well and advanced his military career even though a youthful mistake that he made caused the Seven Years War, what we called on this continent, the French and Indian War.

          All that aside, you have conveniently ignored the point of my post, that being that we are not currently governed by our lawful constitution or a lawful de jure government therefore the original meaning and or intent of our true constitution is a moot point. Why is that?

  • picomanning

    America is weak. Morally we’ve lost our way. Like the most of the morally corrupt, America will not wake up till she hits bottom. America has corrupted her economy. We print fiat dollars backed by the compromising promises of our government. No nation in history (look it up) ever survived that gave itself to fiat money. We corrupt our dollar with increasing velocity thinking absurdly we might recover faster if only we can print money fast enough. America thinks she’s immortal. Like a wild teenager who feels the power of personal strength, ignoring that this strength was built on substantial foundations of moral integrity. America now ages quickly, living a risky lifestyle, and is only now recognizing she’s at a cross-roads. Yet the leadership which advises her is even more permissive of the bahavior keeping her in darkness. The Mexican border caves like a weak levy against a tide of political considerations. Votes from the Latino population will save the democratic party. The addiction to power is that wicked! Public spending ignores the need to create wealth. This adminsitration proves it don’t care about the tradtions of America.
    The prognosis is grim. It’s unreal to consider the current state of affairs. But take it in slowly, as if you were a father looking out for your children. We are entering even more dangerous terrain. Think:
    “those who sow the wind shall reap the worldwind”. The radical liberals especially, but many republicans too, have sown these growing winds. The dust cloud on the horizon will overwhelm all corruptions. You can buy gold but you’ll trade me ounce for ounce, my ammo for your gold. The mother of all bubbles will exceed the belief of deniers to the degree the housing bubble exceeded the fears of those who saw it coming. The misery that will precipitate from this whirlwind will crush and grind and bring excruciating pain. Pray and please be prepared!

  • Marc

    Somewhere down the hereditary line….some of our parents, grandparents, or greatgrandparents may have gained citizenship this way by being born here before their parents were able to have gotten citizenship through the standard process after the Civil War and this Amendment…..should all those be deported as ‘illegals’ ?

  • val

    teri,you have a point there, you don’t have to be of any particular religion to be a mason, but, the fact remains that they were masons, and better yet, it was through the masonic lodge that a lot of the organizing for the american revolution took place. Also this was the network by which they procured France’s involvement in our revolutionary war, and to a lesser extent the german’s.
    And had they wanted a government based on religious believes it would have been specifically included in the constitution, but it was not. Besides, God , is claimed by all religions, not just christians.

  • Johnny

    Children born to people here illegally are not automatically citizens. Their citizenship is a consensual relation, requiring the consent of the United States. If you don’t believe me read George Will’s article here at: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/26/AR2010032603077.html

  • http://brdjnntt@aol.com Jeannette Bardi

    Well this US OF A is turning into a disaster!!! First of all I live in a county of 3/4 latinos, you see them in the public grocery stores with OREGON TRAIL CARDS, baskets just busting at the seams with foods, the extra’s that WE AMERICANS DON’T PAY FOR, the anchor babies mother’s illegal father’s pay for. Twenty years ago here in Oregon the illegal parents were here not they had children and are of age to fly babies out their vaginas and WE tax payers are paying for them. I do see the non-respect coming from school aged children on public transit, in malls, everywhere, the one thing I see a lot on their cars is the decal of the little kid pissing on USA by the gas tank flap on their cars, these punks that are up coming adults of America are disrespectful to USA. They are like a flash of locust taking over a field of free growing money on trees. I went onto a site here in my city for the county jail and counted 45 individuals (latino’s) that are in on ICE not taquila either but were arrested for various reasons, drugs, rape, bank hold ups, thefts no driver’s licenses, etc. Lists go on and on. There is a place not far from here where the farmers and companies drive up to that hire illegals for pennies and some of them yell “what kind of work”??? how hard””” I know I have a legal roommate that can’t get a job because companies are hiring illegals so they dont’ have to pay taxes. The Mexican women are on the trains going to work at hotels, some are holding 2 part times jobs a day with their anchor babies in “free” childcare in our schools because our school is in summer vacation session. The men of these babies are driving around in new SUV’s, V8′s and meeting women in dance clubs while their mother’s of their previous made babies are in bed, and playing poker machines with the governments money given to illegals and the men are in bed with new women making more anchor babies, also selling the cash from Oregon Trail Cards for cigarettes and liquor. Men and woman are driving around without auto license and insurance. Happens if they get into an accident, you know what hits the fan then. They send their cash earnings to Mexico, don’t pay taxes. Vietnamese are paid cash, I saw this or my own eyes, I was going to a vietnamese salon to have nails put on and the owner passed out envelopes to workers with cash busting at the seams of flap not closing. The whole USA is a mess. The locusts have landed!! I wistnessed a latino woman in the doctor’s office this morning while I was awaiting my appointment and I heard the nurse say “you don’t have insurance”? and they took the woman and then my doctor came into see me and had to leave because the latino woman cried out I need an ambulance so my doctor left my side for a latino without insurance and I have insurance and PAY OUT OF POCKET FOR IT. I’m retired and put my 40 years in the work world right out of high school back in ’65.

  • http://the-drama-of-my-life.blogspot.com/ Betty

    I have to agree every bit with the author and these commenters. I live here in AZ and the illegals do have a plan when they come here. The have drained the system here in AZ to the point where the child care assistance program and medicaid has been frozen up. So if you are the American working poor here in AZ you will not be able to both pay your bills at home and the minimum $600 a month child care bill because these system drainers have ruined a good thing. In addition to that, the American working poor cannot even get their children vaccinated or take them to the doctor wjen they are sick without getting their credit trashed. The government really does need to get their priorities straight and quit encouraging these leaches to come over here.