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Analyst: Obama Could Be More ‘Underdog’ Than Favorite In 2012

June 3, 2011 by  

Analyst: Obama Could Be More ‘Underdog’ Than Favorite In 2012

If you listen to the talk in Britain, President Barack Obama will sail through the 2012 elections, easily keeping his place in the White House. Such talk reflects a fundamental misunderstanding of the political climate in America, according to Nile Gardiner, a foreign affairs analyst and political commentator.

In a blog for U.K. newspaper The Telegraph, Gardiner outlined the ways in which Obama actually faces an uphill battle — and an angry electorate.

“Many political leaders in Britain fail to understand the degree to which the American people are deeply unhappy with their president’s poor handling of the economy,” the blog read. “Nor have they grasped the epic scale of the defeat suffered by the president in the November mid-terms, and the emphatic rejection by a clear majority of Americans of the Big Government Obama agenda.”

Make no mistake, according to Gardiner, the outcome of the 2012 election will reflect the state of the economy. And many Americans are still out of work, or worried that the Government is running out of time and money.

“Home prices in the United States have sunk to their lowest levels since 2002, falling 4.2 percent in the first quarter of 2011. At the same time, employment growth is stalling, with only 38,000 Americans added to the workforce (sic) in May, the smallest increase since September,” Gardiner said. “There has also been a steep slowdown in the manufacturing sector, and a downturn in the stock market on the back of weak economic news.”

All of this economic insecurity bodes ill for Obama, according to Gardiner.

“There is no feel good factor in America at the moment. But there is a great deal of uncertainty, nervousness, even fear over the future of the world’s only superpower. This is hardly a solid foundation for a presidential victory for the incumbent,” Gardiner said.

“Even though we don’t know yet who he will be up against, Barack Obama could well go into 2012 as the underdog rather than the favourite (sic) he is frequently portrayed as.”

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  • Bob

    It is wishful thinking to believe that maobama will be an easy target in 2012. We must remember that democrats control the vast majority of the cities where election fraud has been endemic since at least 1960 when election fraud got the whore-monger and original empty suit JFK elected as president. In St. Clair County, Illinois (the democrat cesspool in which I live) the democrats have been raising the dead to vote for over 50 years and they will bring more of them “back to life” in 2012. One must also remember the short memory of the average “wallet” voting American and how he/she will quickly forget the incompetance of the democrats as soon as he or she gets a job and gets some bills paid. We also must remember that the democrats have a permanent hold on the scum who live off of the taxpayers, the scum whose lives depend on the democrats holding down the producers so that the parasites can feed off of them. We are making a big mistake if we get complacent and start thinking that we have it made.

    • Eddie47d

      Take a look at any election,any place and any year. The majority of Americans don’t even bother to vote.Sometimes it’s as low as 25%. Since those on the right and conservatives have a tendency to vote on a regular basis they can easily sway an election. Those on the left,poor folks,minorities,etc. see a shell game in politics and see their vote as useless and stay home in droves. You all love that and scare up bogeyman stories (voter fraud) to make it look like these people are voting. If these people truly saw the power of the ballot they would make every attempt to be on the voter rolls. They would win by sheer numbers and that scares the hell out of the angry right. You will say anything and do anything to keep them away from the polls. Just two days ago someone here was mad because Democrats would offer rides to get people to the polls. Which only proves how upset the Republicans(right) gets when they do make an attempt to vote.

      • Bob

        Eddie, you just can’t help yourself can you? Every time you post, you lie. You really should seek treatment for being a pathological liar. The fact is, democrat scum vore “early and often” as the old saying goes. Apparently you do not fear the masses of ignorant, worthless, parasitic scum voting which means you are an idiot as well as a liar because they well-being of lieberal parasites such as yourself depends on at least a few productive people surviving to produce the excess off of which parasites such as yourself feed.

        • Eddie47d

          If they have a right to vote as Americans and have registered then their vote is just as important as yours. You can spin it anyway you want with your petty name calling. It proves again that you want to take away the vote of other Americans. That makes you nothing more than a little Fascist dictator.

          • Bob

            Funny how lieberal scum as yourself resort to name calling immediately after whining about name-calling. By the way, my “name-calling” is nothing more than telling the truth while your name-calling is for the purpose of spreading lying lieberal lies.

          • Kate8

            eddie – Rounding up people who are profoundly uninformed, bussing them to the polls and bribing them to vote the way you tell them is voter fraud.

            I have worked with the mentally ill and, when they sign up for services, they are registered to vote and told HOW to vote, as in, if a conservative is elected they’ll lose their services.

            Then there are the multiple registrations for one person, the dead vote, the animal vote, the cartoon vote…

            There is so much fraud, lies and bullying going on with the democrats “get out the vote” campaigns, it’s no wonder the majority of Americans feel disenfranchised. And what really frosts me is that they are allowed to get away with it.

            This doesn’t even resemble the America I grew up in.

          • eddie47d

            So Kate I see you are agreeing with Bob’s extreme views. No surprise there but to say that giving someone a ride to the poles is voter fraud is a mighty far stretch. It’s called helping your neighbor and those without transportation. You know,your fellow Americans who would like the same privilege and opportunity as you. That is the old America and it is happening right now. You just choose to demonize a good deed to feed the fantasies of your mind.

          • Kate8

            As usual, eddie, you are ignoring the point we are trying to make.

            I’m not going to waste any more of my time trying to reason with a brick wall.

          • eddie47d

            Kate; If you believe there is a voter problem then take the evidence to the election judge or voter registration officials. Have it all documented on paper and make copies to send to your local paper.Don’t make a mountain out of a mole hill unless you have substantiated evidence. It may be a slow process but would be well worth it if you are right. Get those election judges to compare names and be accountable to the correct mailing address not the local cemetery as you seem to be assuming.

          • Kate8

            That’s already been done, eddie.

            The democrats have gone after the Sec. of State offices is each state, in order to secure election results. The system is rigged.

            Both parties are in on it, but the democrats are outright crooks. Any means to an end.

            They’ve got the judges, too.

          • Kinetic1

            Eddie,
            Just thought I’d back you up here. Bob and Kate, if it’s the left who lie and “vote early, vote often”, then what do you have to say about the Republican election heads who purposely limit the number of voting locations and booths in Democratic districts? Kate, how about those Republican petition workers in Wisconsin who were buying shots for young bar patrons if they would sign the recall petitions for Democrats? Ad what’s this about the Dems having the fix in? It was the Repubs that had the fix in Florida 2000. It was the Repubs that dumped ballots in Ohio 2004. And it was the Repubs who attacked ACORN, screaming voter fraud when in fact it was ACORN who brought attention to the false voter applications. Yes, they came from their own workers, but they fired them and reported the fraud which was as much against them as it was the state.

            Check the records. The right makes a lot of noise about election fraud involving false registration, but few if any of those fakes ever get near a voting booth. The real problem comes in the form of letters and robo calls that provide false or misleading information designed to keep people from voting. Another problem is the voter purge, where flimsy excuses are made for disallowing voter rights based on a person’s name being close to that of a felon, or some other such nonsense. And report after report shows that it these tactics are those of Republicans. And what do Republicans do to the people who are caught manipulating the vote? They give her a seat in the house of representatives.

      • Isaac Davis

        busing, trucking, shipping, or carpooling a bunch of idiots to a voting station proves nothing. An educated, informed, engaged and concerned Citizen is what is required at the booth to cast a vote. Quantity has never equalled quality, as evidenced by 62 million being duped into voting for a nobody from nowhere with no experience and no records to back up his non-existent past. Then, get the clown into office, any office, any level of gov’t, and they do the exact opposite of what they campaigned on doing for the constituents…there’s the apathy cooked solid for you. Those who are promised something to show up and vote “ignorant” find out that money isn’t waiting for them, and they are lucky to get a bottle of water and a ride back home–those ignorant enough to not have the intiative to be informed and to cast an intelligent vote continue to love life on Uncle Sam’s plantation. The massuh promise them everything, and can guaranteed them nothing…nothing but misery.

        • JUKEBOX

          The dumb masses don’t realize that they are merely slaves on the government plantation!

          • Jana

            Just today Obama stated its about rebuilding the future. Sounds like good words, but as ususal we know he has ulterior motives, more like reshaping the future to look more like Socialism, or communism.

      • Dan az

        So i guess its ok with you that we take our votes from the grave also right?

      • Thamera

        Eddie I was with you up until the end of your first sentence. Trying to categorize who votes and who doesn’t and why they vote or don’t vote is pure conjecture. The only fact you present is that the majority of Americans do not vote. American Idol gets more votes than the president so obviously people can vote if they REALLY want to.

        • eddie47d

          Voter fraud is also conjecture and quite often hot air to demonize one side or the other. Sounds good but is it a fact as in Nevada.See my response to Kate 8.

          • Kate8

            eddie, If the people protest an injustice, but no one will hear, then I guess you can still call it conjecture.

    • white tiger

      Well said, Brother! Great minds think alike.
      Obama is evil incarnate.
      The substantial majority of our electorate are obamanites- just as evil as he/it is.
      Evil loves evil. Evil votes for evil.
      The Constituency of Evil includes not only the Dead; but the Ficticious, the Retarded,the Mentally Ill, the Emotionally Disturbed, the Insane, the Criminal, the Lazy, the Ignorant, the Amoral, the Immoral. the Hypocritical, the AntiSocial.
      Added together, thats more than half of us.

      Until we cleanse the Stygian Stable of the Voters Roll we will continue to elect sociopaths to high public office.Just click on “antisocial personality” and see how Oscambo fits the diagnostic requirements. Scary, isn’t it?!

      • Questionman

        white tiger, a accurate description for you would be a disgusting excuse for human being, in fact you give human beings a bad name! I and many liberals didn’t like Bush, but not once did our minds become as disgusting as your to claim ANY President evil! I hate Reagan, but I NEVER believe that he’s evil! So lets check out Obama’s plan for destroying America!
        1. President Obama 789 billion dollar stimulus package stop the recession save the automobile industry. Save over a million American jobs! Note: 1/3 in tax cuts for working-class families; 1/3 to states for infrastructure projects; 1/3 to states to prevent the layoff of police officers, teachers, etc. at risk of losing their jobs because of state budget shortfalls.

        Then the evil Obama fought for and got healthcare for 32 million Americans! With no support from Republicans! Seven decade of presidents tried and fail to do the same! Obama overturn “don’t asked don’t tell”!

        The evil Obama increased infrastructure spending (roads, bridges, power plants…) (2009) * Note: Bush was the first president since Herbert Hoover to not make infrastructure a priority. Authorized the housing rescue plan and new FHA residential housing guarantees (2009). President Obama authorized the federal government to make more loans available to small businesses and ordered lower rates for federal loans to small businesses (2009)
        • Placed a 35% tariff on Chinese tires and a few other products such as pipes after China was found to be illegally “dumping” exports below cost (2009) * Note: Clinton, Bush I, and Reagan all refused to “get tough” on China’s predatory trade practices; Bush II refused four times during his presidency
        • In November 2009, Obama extended unemployment benefits for one million workers
        and expanded coverage for some existing homeowners who are buying again (2009)
        • Called on Congress to deliver a “Jobs bill” (2010)
        • Credit card companies are prohibited from raising rates without advance notification or arbitrarily if customers are paying bills on time (2010)
        • Signed a bill to extend unemployment benefits set to expire (2010)
        • Signed historic Wall Street reform bill (2010) * Note: Designed to re-regulate and end abusive practices and promote consumer protections
        • Signed the HIRE Act to stimulate the economic recovery (2010) * Note: The bill includes: tax cuts for small businesses who hire someone unemployed for at least two months; small businesses can write off their investments in equipment this year; etc.
        • National Export Initiative established to enhance federal support (technical assistance, training, trade missions, etc.) and coordination efforts to help US businesses export products and services (2010). President Obama IS NOT evil he is the President of America!
        You are a disgrace to ALL human beings, white tiger!

        • Kinetic1

          Here, here Questionman,
          Though I’m sure that you, like myself have a few complaints about how the President has done his job, there is little doubt that he has had some major victories in his first 2+ years. It’s funny how the “Left wing main stream media” has been more likely to cover the complaints of the Republicans than the successes of the Democrats. In fact, a survey showed that the Sunday morning news shows consistently favor Republican guests. During the Bush years they claimed it was because the Republicans were in control and therefore more pertinent. Now, during the Obama administration they have claimed that it has to do with the news worthiness of the Republican opposition. Even when Osama Bin Laden was killed, who did they ask for comment? Members of the Bush administration, of course!

          As for you, White Tiger, are you a big believer in the Constitution? Do you believe that it was the desire of our founding fathers to limit the ability to vote to just those who can pass a citizen’s test? It might be interesting to see just how many of the right wing “Patriots” and TEA PArty members out there could pass the test given to those seeking citizenship in the U.S. Don’t get me wrong, I believe in a well educated citizenry and feel strongly about availing oneself of all the information available before voting, but who am I to say others must do the same?. I have even been heard to grouse about the need for a parenting license before having children, but again, who would call the shots? I’m sure you feel that you could write up a fitting voter’s test, but that’s just not American, is it?

          • Jay

            questionman and kinetic, you must be twins, retarded twins that is!!!

          • Kinetic1

            Oh Jay, I’m cut to the quick. Such a rapier like wit.

        • JC

          The Kenyan is not “my” President. he is a Globalist Meat Puppet without one coherent thought of his own, and an imposter.

  • http://www.easyinvest.co.za peter

    Unfortunately the Republicans have no competitive candidates so I expect that it will be a huge victory for Obama. Empty suit or not he will be your President for the next 4 years. You in the USA have my heartfelt sympathies.

    Seems the whole world has gone insane if you ask me. We follow idiots around like they are heroes or gods. Where did all the good guys go? All dead no doubt. We are left with the greed mongers – god help us.

    • Bob

      Unfortunately, I believe you are right, but save the condolences, we may yet wake up to the danger that maobama and the maocrats pose to civilization.

      • JUKEBOX

        American voter apathy is the biggest danger we face in 2012. I am amazed that Brits like Nile Gardiner, Stuart Varney, and Tony Blankley have a deeper understanding of the dangers we face, if this Socialist fundamentalist is allowed to retain the Presidency. He has been the ultimate American tourist, at taxpayer expense, totally destroying our favorable image throughout the world. He is so egocentric that he either does not realize the damage he has done, or simply does not care.

        • Dan az

          Juke
          He is doing exactly what his puppet master are saying.

          • Kate8

            It’s true, Republicans don’t have any good candidates. But how does it get any worse than Obama? The man is an outright criminal. A felon. A derelict.

            And, he has no resume.

            Only pure evil could jet ahead with those kinds of qualifications, or lack thereof. You know who I’m referring to.

    • http://Personalliberty Tony

      To Peter:
      Right on with your analysis. The sad thing is, this is the most embarrassing time for a conservative or Repub. Later!!

    • white tiger

      Yes. And your reply tells us why. Some time ago most of us stopped capitaling “God”.
      We have not been doing it His way; but our way.
      If and when we turn it around, He says, then and only then will He straighten it all out for us.2Chron.7.14.
      The ball is in our court.

    • Silver Bullet

      ……Unfortunately, that is the state of current
      affairs exactly. There is no Republican member who
      would not sell out COMPLETELY to the same interests
      that have brought us all to this juncture. It is
      called the game of Politics. After nearly fifty
      years of Democrats running Washington, all the
      highest bureaucratic positions are held by anti-
      American political zealots. You don’t think it
      actually took five days for water to be delivered
      to the Superdome in New Orleans after Katrina,
      do you? The berueacrats run the show, always! Not
      Brown (The director of FEMA)! The Governor of
      Louisianna should have been arrested, impeached,
      and sentenced to life in prison for holding back
      the request to FEMA, which is required for the
      Federal Gov’t to enter a state in disaster relief.
      3700 Americans died because the antiAmerican
      beauracrats wanted the White House to be harmed
      politically. Nagel was actually reelected mayor of
      New Orleans, after allowing all those Americans to
      die at the Superdome. Soooo…
      …..It will take about one billion worthless
      American dollars to ‘buy’ the White House this next
      time around (2012). The antiAmerican Democrats
      have very handily raised the anti for the Big House.
      There will very likely NOT be a single Republican
      who can get close to this figure. There simply aren’t
      enough true Americans left who vote. The Vice Presidential
      selection will actually be a melding of funds for the
      Republicans this time around. The two highest funds
      raisers will become the Republican candidate. This
      alone proves the election is not about ideals or
      the wishes of the people. Their efforts will be feeble.
      They will talk Tea Party and deliver nothing. The
      Gangster in the White House, on the other hand, will
      continue to lie and destroy everything in his path, all
      while sporting the biggest “cat ate the canary” smile
      to date. His efforts began three years ago. Two
      programs he implemented will provide him with the
      White House victory. TARP and STIMULUS. The Toxic
      Asset Program will be flowing freely starting this
      year. Bankers and Wall Street will take as much as
      70% of the funds that still remain or have been repaid.
      They will use this to backfill there accounting
      records after some of the largest donations to
      a political entity in the history of mankind. More
      than 40% of the Stimulus will be doled out by Bernanke
      this year and the remainder next year.
      ………You won’t be able to beat Obummer. He’s
      going to BUY THE ELECTION ! Unscathed and smiling.

      ……

  • http://www.reformdc.com nax777

    Pubs don’t want one.
    It is irrational to think that any single payer social program will work. It is irrational for nations to tax its way out of poverty. It is irrational to help overpopulated poorer nations by becoming one. It is irrational to believe that a power convinced that you have nowhere else to go will do your biding.

    A true Conservative and a true Liberal agree on one thing though for different reasons. Any single payer social program is a nutty idea! Now each believes that it’s not so nutty as long as their side is managing it. Pubs and Dems call rational people cruel, heartless nut cases. Rational and irrational also no longer hold true meaning.

    Replace the powers with citizens that can be immediately removed by citizens and never serve for a life time. We must take control ourselves. Please join with us at Goooh.com you might be able to click on my name. This will take you to my link page that links to Goooh.com, NumbersUSA.com and SBA-list.org.

    P.S. Have you heard of “you cut” @ http://majorityleader.gov/YouCut/

  • http://ByGeorge By George

    The Chief Office Holder and his odious wife, whose world wide vacation travels toting along with them hoards of retainers, cooks, servants, drivers, body guards, hair dressers and staff, numbering up to 500, all at the expense of the American taxpayer, are indeed a pretentious pair whose ‘reign’ of singular accomplishments should best be rewarded with forty acres and a mule.

    Why does our “ruler”, for example, need 35 vehicles while visiting Ireland and England, or anywhere for that matter? I lived and worked there for years and got along just fine with London Taxi’s, double decker buses and the London Underground, not to mention a lot of walking. The entourage doubtless included that famous black SUV with darkened windows following close behind that contains a small pop-up, belt fed, electric drive Gatling Gun. Where’s the thinking there? Imagine our reputation if that thing started mowing down British citizens? Folks, we have a dictator in waiting!

    Significant to Obama’s (peace be upon him) reign however, and demonstrated once again during his grand tour of Ireland and England, is that it too was characterized by bad omens, the first being the high centering of his heavily armored vehicle like a turtle on a post, and the Faux Pas with his toast to the Queen of England that singles him out as the complete bozo fool he is and, likewise, apparently surrounded by fools who do not understand protocol or how to preplan vehicle routes so vehicles don’t get high centered. His is a gaggle of fools!

    As a reminder a few other previous incidents should be recalled: Have you noticed when in pursuit of his green programs, virtually every company he visited to laud those companies accomplishments, and all supported by tax payer dollars by the way, collapsed into bankruptcy almost as soon as Obama (peace be upon him) left the premises. Remember the event where the presidential seal fell to the floor during a question and answer session? Priceless! That was an omen of the direction his administration is going. And the time when an official visitor was to give remarks after the Chief Office Holder said his bit? The teleprompter didn’t change to the speech of the guest who ended up re-reading Obama’s (peace be upon him) speech before he realized the error? I see the mischief fairy at work here.

    I firmly believe that nearly everything this fool has done to advance his socialist agenda, is unconstitutional. Many other people do too and believe these deliberate acts amount to impeachable offenses. One wonders why our politicians, among the many other tasks confronting them, aren’t at least publicly discussing the possibility that Obama (peace be upon him) and many of his cohorts, could face criminal investigation(s) and, for the Chief Office Holder, impeachment. I also realize this would be considered an exercise in frustration but, it’s time for Obama (peace be upon him) to start defending himself instead of running around on our dime campaigning for another term while still destroying our country.
     
A Scottish scholar once said: “A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse over loose fiscal policy, (which is) always followed by a dictatorship.” (Alexander Tyler, 1887). America is now truly a dependency lying between complacency and apathy and we’ve done it to ourselves.

    • JUKEBOX

      I concur completely with your assessment, and I try to convey this mssage to everyone I come in contact with. This is the only way we will defeat him in 2012.

    • Cliffystones

      George,

      There is an ongoing discussion as to whether Obama is stupid, or knows exactly what he’s doing. As your examples illustrate, he seems to be just “smart enough” to get himself in trouble. If he were that clever and cunning we wouldn’t be having as many discussions about his constant idiotic remarks. I believe it was Mark Twain who said “Better to keep quiet and be thought of as a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

      You have to wonder if his handlers like Spooky Dude visit him to smack him upside the head when he blurts out some of his drivel.

      • JUKEBOX

        Spooky Dude probably makes another billion or two whenever his puppet has a policy failure.

      • Cawmun Cents

        Actually Twain was para-phrasing Confucious who predated him by 2 millenia.But I believe it was Solomon who said,”There is nothing new under the sun.”,to wit,the reason for Twain’s in efficacy in following the advise.

    • Ret

      Right on!

    • Warrior

      BG, the tide is turning and even some sheep are awakening. Another 12 months and this fraudulent regime is toast.

  • http://yahoo Rob

    I’m sorry, but I just don’t think the American citizens get it….With ALL of the politacal upheaval we have been experiencing, where is the outcry of the people? “Silence is NOT Golden” The concerns for the future of the beautiful USA lies with
    “Never Underestimate the Stupidity of the American Voter”

    • Bob

      True – the stupidity of the American voter should be legendary by now. Many of us vote for selfish reasons rather than for the good of the nation as a whole. I remember the phrase that the arch-moron Dick Gephart (a political dwarf who once ran for the democrat nomination for president) made when sucking up to the vermin of a women’s abortion rights group. He said, “People, we have to vote our self interest”. That is the credo of the democrat voter.

      • Eddie47d

        Bob and his 9:15 comment.You have been smoking way too much right wing fairy dust.What have you done that is so grand to make this a great country?”Conservatives” like you spend half your time taking away the rights of others and even seem to feel proud of it. You love interfering into peoples personal lives especially when it comes to gay bashing.You also bend over backwards to keep other certain people from voting and demonize their every move.You attack women’s groups as evil even if it involves their personal choice. You pushed the Patriot Act and NAFTA on the American citizen without thinking of the damage that they are now bringing down on our country. You attack working people who may belong to a union and receives hard earned benefits so you become bitter and envious. You vote down reforms on Wall Street and in our Corporate world so they keep stealing our wealth leaving the rest of us high and dry. Your side seems to be the selfish ones looking out for your “self interests” and not for the good of the country. You say that God is your guide but in reality greed is your creed.

        • Bob

          Eddie: Your post proves nothing but the fact that you are a mad dog lieberal scumbag. Personal choice is evil when that personal choice involves murdering a child, homosexuality is evil as is clealy indicated in the Bible, “working” people are evil when they join unions and use violence to increase their wealth. You are a poisonous breed of human – the lieberal and humanity will not be safe until lieberalism is removed from the face of the earth. Even though you once claimed to be a Christian, you know absolutely nothing of the God of the Bible – the God that condemns the kind of sloth, violence, corruption, murder, perversion and greed that you support every time you post your mindless, evil comments. Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn’t it lieberal scumbag Clinton who “pushed” NAFTA on us? In fact, wasn’t your comment on conservatives supporting NAFTA just another lie that you thought you could slip by us? Once again, I urge you to seek help for your pathological lying.

          • Eddie47d

            Bob; Paranoia and lying rule your life. It was Newt Gingrich and the Republican Party who pushed NAFTA to the benefit of corporations. Clinton was given promises by the Republicans that it was beneficial and wouldn’t take away American jobs. You are corrected so spin away pal! Stay out of peoples personal lives unless they are effecting your ability to function as a human being. As off the wall as you are that could be true. Go take an anger management class that would be the best thing you could do for yourself.

          • Thamera

            Oh gee Eddie and then you completely digress at least Bob believes in something instead of just “anything goes”. As far as women Eddie, are you serious? Are you completely ignorant to what the so-called “tolerant” left put Sarah Palin through and continue to do so? good grief…and that’s just one example.

          • eddie47d

            Thamera,what exactly does he believe in? Looks like a truckload of hate and a despicable attitude to me.He talks likes he’s ready to take out anybody he doesn’t like behind the barn and do him in.

          • Karolyn

            The all-knowing BOB has spoken!

          • Kate8

            It’s amazing how you liberals always call the ability to discern evil, hate.

            I see liberalism as evil, too. I think you people who buy into it are twisted. It breaks my heart that there are so many of you, because it’s destroying my country.

            However, I do not hate you.

            But you already know this. You are just doing what you are paid to do…practice your Alinsky training.

          • Thamera

            Yes Eddie, angry rhetoric aside, I think it is safe to say that he (Bob) believes in the ideals and morals that once defined a virtuous people which is what the constitution is predicated upon and which has become completely lost in the sea of moral relativism or “anything goes”. I think it is also safe to say the he believes in less government and that individuals should be held accountable for the choices they make and not look to government for their every need…hey, I could be wrong, but that is how I look at it.

          • eddie47d

            Kate8 ; Have never read Alinsky. Have you?

          • Kate8

            eddie- Yes.

          • Kinetic1

            Kate8,
            I have been writing my thoughts on my own time, but if someone is supposed to be paying me, please tell me where I can get my check.

        • JUKEBOX

          Have you noticed how many of your freedoms have been taken away by your Socialist heroes? Probably not, because liberal ideologies are a serious mental disorder.

        • jibbs

          Eddie, NAFTA was started by Bush, but clinton sighned into law on Jan.1 1994. Two years after Bush… do some homework before you spew your bs again!! Bush fast tracked it, but clinton put the fix’s in and then sighned it.

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Free_Trade_Agreement

          • eddie47d

            I meant exactly what I said and H Bush had nothing to do with my comment. I don’t need your history lesson.

          • Kate8

            NAFTA, as well as everything else that’s been done to us, has much broader and deeper roots than any one person. Any president is just carrying out the decisions made at their posh conferences where they decide the next blow to inflict on humanity for their own pleasure.

          • Al Sieber

            Kate8, I think the North American is just around the corner.

          • Kate8

            Al – Obama has stated that it is being implemented. as we speak, “under the radar”.

          • JC

            eddie47d says:
            June 3, 2011 at 4:49 pm
            I meant exactly what I said and H Bush had nothing to do with my comment. I don’t need your history lesson.
            _______________________________________________________
            I think you are selling yourself short commie47d…
            you need a LOT of history lessons. :)

  • dqfreemind

    George made a good point by speaking of impeachment, but why not hang the Traitor for Treason?
    Also, if you think the Republicans are better, think again. They are all in it together. Vote third party such as Libertarian or go with anarchy. “Anarchy is not an absence of rules, just rulers.’ -Edward Abbey. Voice your anger and dissatisfaction any way you choose. Bang!

    • JUKEBOX

      Impeachment will never happen, but answers to all of the hidden facts bout his background and financial backers could promote a resignation type scandal. Proving his deception to the world is the only way to get rid of him, but as long as he has the so called “Mainstream Media” in his pocket, it will be difficult. Maybe the just announced indictment of John Edwards will help this process happen.

      • Bob

        The American people should be satisfied with nothing less than charges of treason against maobama and all who helped him to damage this once great country.

        • Ret

          agree

        • JC

          Yep.

  • jopa

    There was a spike in the polls and they had President Obama’s favorable numbers at 54%. The numbers never did drop off and it was found that not only Independents but also Conservatives were finally starting to learn the truth and coming over to the Liberal side.With the Republicans hell bent on destroying America in order to regain power scares many Americans and they will fight for justice.With this Ryan bill, the tax exemptions for the rich,and the silliness of them pretending they will no raise the debt ceiling.America is getting wise to there shenanigans and is about to get rid of them in the next election.

    • JUKEBOX

      Jopa, I would like for you to tell me how many times you have been hired by a poor person at a commercial enterprise. Keep on ecoriating wealthy people, and you will surely enjoy living in a Chinese slave labor camp, where there is no wealth that you hate so much.

    • Bob from Calif.

      A true conservative will never join the “Dark Side” jopa. A true conservative has morals, and integrity. Conservatives are a culture of life not death as most liberals are. Conservatives are compassionate and believe in helping their fellow man not like liberals that believe that they are helping someone with handouts of meager table scraps. People should be able to stand on their own two feet, not depend on the government to barely survive. You liberals are some where in La La land. Or you are just gullible to government psyops and propaganda.

    • jibbs
    • jibbs
    • jibbs
    • jibbs

      The only polls that show him at 54% are left wing coat tail draggers.

    • jibbs

      By the way jopa, those poll numbers are from 5-30-2011. Today is 6-3-2011 and unemploment just hit 9.1% and the markets all took a dive yesterday! Are you better off than you were three years ago? and don’t lie! if you can help it.

      • Kate8

        I don’t really believe that Obama has that much support.

        It’s all a psyops game. The PTB use the media to repeat over and over that Obama is unbeatable, that most people support him, yada yada yada.

        It’s meant to despirit us and make us give up. It’s another case of repeating over and over the same lies, so they will become true.

        • Dan az

          Kate
          Does it matter really who is prez come dec 2012?

          • Kate8

            Not likely, Dan az.

            Here is stunning report on the “Weather Modification” project.

            This pretty much says it all.

            http://watch-unto-prayer.org/weather-modification.html

          • Al Sieber

            Dan, political choice is just a illusion, it doesn’t really matter, one party comes up with the problem, and the other comes up with the solution, or they’re like the Mafia, only the Mafia has a code to live by and standards.

          • Dan az

            Al
            Yep more like the mafia You pay protection money.Hey I saw a preview of a documentary last night looks really good,it was called in side job.Its about the banking cartel and wall street how they are and have ripped us off even gorge sorass is on it.Looks like its going to be interesting.

          • Dan az

            Kate
            Did you see this bill that they are going to try and pass that you can’t embed a You tube to share?I will give you a five yr jail sentence!Outrageous!
            The wording of S. 978 is problematic, as it could conceivably be used to cover the embedding of YouTube videos and other Web content. The practice of using YouTube to share videos is extremely widespread, a fact displayed by the $1 billion estimated net worth of the Internet’s third most-popular website.
            http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=s112-978

          • Kate8

            Dan az – Yes, I did see that. Not surprising. We’re being shut down everywhere we want to go.

            Please at least save the link on Weather Modification. It is a bit off topic, but something EVERYONE should know about. This is one of the best articles I’ve seen. Really thorough about all of it’s aspects and implications.

          • Kate8

            Dan az – For example, did you know that over $12 TRILLION of our tax dollars has gone to building the underground cities so the elite can save themselves when all h*ll breaks loose on the surface?

            $12 TRILLION. OUR MONEY.

            There are some other great links, too.

          • Dan az

            Kate
            I had to save it to see it because I’m just about maxed on my megs this month.To many you tubes I guess.9 more days before I can see it.

  • Bob

    Jopa: Those who support maobama wouldn’t know the truth if it was tattoed on the inside of their eyelids. Like eddie, you are just another lying, lieberal liar who is trying to destroy what little is left of the real America – the America of hard workers rather lieberal parasites, the America of God-fearing people rather than God-hating scum, the American of honesty rather than deceit, the America of self-reliant independance rather than pathetic, needy, communalism. And what do you know of justice when you desire to enslave the producers to feed the parasites? In what sick and perverted system does that constitute justice?

  • Thor

    Another triumph, Marcy. Seems to have aroused the muckrakers. Ain’t free speech (and a lax monitor) grand?

  • LiarsMustBeDefeated

    A lot of people STILL have their heads in the sand. The denial is unbelievable, but yet it exists and continues. Educate where you can. The TRUTH MUST WIN. Republican or Democrate, the crooks and criminals MUST GO.

  • jibbs

    @ Bob Livingston, whats the deal with this post, the only reason this person comes on here is to post this on every forum, just about everday, for weeks on end. Enough is enough, I would think.

    Thanks, Jibbs

    nax777 says:
    June 3, 2011 at 8:15 am
    Pubs don’t want one.
    It is irrational to think that any single payer social program will work. It is irrational for nations to tax its way out of poverty. It is irrational to help overpopulated poorer nations by becoming one. It is irrational to believe that a power convinced that you have nowhere else to go will do your biding.

    A true Conservative and a true Liberal agree on one thing though for different reasons. Any single payer social program is a nutty idea! Now each believes that it’s not so nutty as long as their side is managing it. Pubs and Dems call rational people cruel, heartless nut cases. Rational and irrational also no longer hold true meaning.

    Replace the powers with citizens that can be immediately removed by citizens and never serve for a life time. We must take control ourselves. Please join with us at Goooh.com you might be able to click on my name. This will take you to my link page that links to Goooh.com, NumbersUSA.com and SBA-list.org.

    P.S. Have you heard of “you cut” @ http://majorityleader.gov/YouCut/

    • Thamera

      Agreed jibbs

  • jopa

    Bob: You poor bitter man.Perhaps if you went out and got a job you could gain a little self respect and you wouldn’t be so bitter towards others that have achieved success in America.Eddie and myself, we are just trying to give you the realities of life and how our country really functions.If you would put the perspectives of both parties side by side and realize each of their agendas I am sure you would be walking around town today with your head held high and proudly displaying your patriot and Obama apparel.Thank you for your time.Have a good one.

    • JUKEBOX

      Maybe there is a Government job for everyone, like there is in China.

    • Thamera

      wow jopa…they really have you fooled…the realities? hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

      You are so removed from the original intention of our constitution that you wouldn’t even recognize it and so sad that you believe the lies of the progressive left. They are in DIRECT OPPOSITION TO THE CONSTITUTION!
      Perhaps you would be so kind as to list all of those realities for all of us Jopa and then cross reference them with the constitution.

      • Thamera

        or at the very least outline those agendas because I can already tell you the agenda of the left: redistribution of wealth and conformity a/k/a socialism…now what would the agenda of the right be???

        • jibbs

          jopa will never answer, she has never been able to back-up what she writes. But when you pull things out of thin air, there are no back ups.

        • eddie47d

          Thamera;The right loves the redistribution of wealth also. You bet! It goes into the pockets of the already wealthy in their trickle up policies. They also love conformity if you conform to their way of doing business. Off shore American businesses and jobs which digresses our economy. There is little sainthood on the right and hasn’t been for quite some time now. But you do look good in your rose colored glasses.

          • Jay

            Eddie, you have quite the sidekick in Jopa, you must very proud. Better you then me! LOL!!!

          • Thamera

            Fair enough eddie there is plenty of corruption to go around but if given the chance, the free market would be the ultimate liberator over government regulation, unconstitutional laws and intrustion into the private lives of every American. That means no bail out for corporations (facism) and it also means an end to the perpetual welfare state that has become a generational way of living for way too many people.

  • chuckb

    jukebox, that’s what these bolsheviks are looking for, they want to work for the government. they want that cradle to the grave security, top pay, many benefits and a retirement check the same size as their salary. the problem is they are just about to that point now and can’t figure out where the money is going to come from to keep their jobs.
    their messiah can’t come up with anything other than print more money and their running out of paper.
    the media has brainwashed those of lower mentality, making them believe they are led by a messenger from god and now they are finding out his boss is lucifer.

  • grreed

    Hey folks
    We are winning and 2010 is the proof. We can and will vote out all demacrats and RINO repubs.I believe that they got the message we sent them. Don’t fret my fellow americans we can change the future just don’t give up hope.
    For you communist bloggers what are you afraid of the truth?????
    GOD BLESS YOU ALL VOTE 2012 I lve you all.

  • TIME

    Look, do yourself a big favor go take a look at PRISON PLANET.COM

    If you still can’t figure it out. Then as a good friend used to say your just too stupid to live. Oh BTW that was a VERY HIGH ranking Progressive, as in a “real one” not the quais progressive who post here.

    Have a good weekend.

    • Al Sieber

      Time, I’ve been aware of that site for a long time.

  • jopa

    Many of you folks have stated in the past that we should rise up and take our country back and then go onto say Rand Paul for president.I heard him speaking last night and he talked about such people as traitors and should be deported.I guess it’s adios for you Teabagers or what ever it is you claim to be these days if he were to win.

  • Elevenarrows

    I am convinced that Barack Obama knows exactly what he is doing and has faithfully kept many campaign promises. The one that really gets me is when he blatantly said he intended to spread the wealth around. He has certainly done that. He has taken my family’s hard-earned money and given it to Planned Parenthood, illegals’ healthcare, etc. and even other countries…and let’s not forget, the “refurbishing of mosques all over the world. As small business owners (who have seen a 2/3 reduction in our income due to the economy), we cannot afford health insurance. We’ve been quoted over $2000/month for premiums (yes, we have a large family). When my husband had to have kidney stone surgery, we had to write a check for $14,000 UPFRONT before they would perform the surgery. In the hospital business office waiting room–full of non-English speaking Hispanics so I assume many were illegal–we were the only ones who were required to hand over a check…the others were all “taken care of”…we pay thousands in taxes every year….I don’t expect free surgeries, but it sure makes it harder to write the check when it seems like I am paying for all the others, too! For me, I don’t understand why so many Americans act shocked over Obama’s agenda. He clearly stated it on the campaign trail. It was crazy then and it is crazy while he is implementing it, but few Americans who voted for him should be able to claim ignorance. His election convinced me that the average American is unwilling to demonstrate even the shadow of moral fortitude that founded this nation…Americans are drunk on all the freebies and as one of the few having to help provide the freebies, I’m sick of it.

    • http://yahoo Rob

      11Arrows, I hear you loud and clear concerning “ILLEGALS” and what you sid “SPEAKS” volumes. Again, you and I cannot be the only ones seeing or being affected by this travesty. SO!!!???, WHERE is the OUTCRY of the American people getting HOSED? Have we LOST our backbone? You say that you are sick of this…..I am disgusted at our lack courage.

    • Thamera

      Absolutely Elevnarrows…couldn’t agree with you more. Maybe if people like Jopa had to actually write a check to the government at every quarter they might see things a little differently. I also have no health insurance and pay for everything as I go. I would like to scream when I am sitting in the doctor or dentist office and watch another teenage mom with her illegitimate kids talking on her cell phone pull out her medicaid card while I get to write a check, and that is fair how? Taking from my family to pay for theirs because I was responsible…because I work hard…because I bothered to educate myself and not have 5 kids with 5 different dads…and that is just one example.

  • Raggs

    So it is clear that all of the world is as stupid as our media to insist obama will be re-elected….

  • chuckb

    11arrows, speaking out against the wrongs in our society is like talking to the wall. people have been so brainwashed by the education system and the media i doubt if we can turn it around. the media keeps telling everyone barry is impossible to beat and a shew in nest election and the pea brains believe it, what has this man done to deserve re-election, ask any black, uh,oh, yeah man he’s black that’s why i vote for him, ash any democrat, yes he’s our man he carries the party label, what did he do to deserve re-election, well, man, he’s a democrat isn’t that enough. ask an independent, he’s great, look the economy is coming back i think, and yeah, the stock market is going to come back, i think, ask any liberal republican, oh, i think he is so articulate, i love to hear him speak and i think it’s just great we have a black as president and this will make up for the black slavery. ask any illegal, man he’s going to get us our country back the gringos stole, we will get citizenship then with the majority of the mexican people in the southwest u.s. we can vote to secede from the union. i believe that leaves us in the minority.

  • Jim the duped

    If the powers that be who put Obama in office in the first place, they without any opposition can keep him in office for another four years, case closed.

  • jopa

    Thamera: I really don’t know if you are unfortunate or just irresponsible for not having insurance in this day and age.It’s people like you that are the problem when it comes to Americas health crisis.They want to drive a fancy car or where designer clothes and when a major medical bill comes there way we have to pay for it.I always carried major medical that some would even call the golden plan and I paid for it through my salary and not a perk.So yes with my pay deductions I did write the check you spoke of and I did it for about 45 years.You may have been able to pay the minor bills thus far but you never knows what is around the corner.You would be amazed how little an insurance company pays for different procedures and medications compared to an uninsured individual.That information is all in my receipts and being without insurance today is a destiny for doom.

    • Thamera

      No I wouldn’t Jopa, I have been in and out of insurance plans for the past 20 years for various reasons and am very well versed in insurance, what they cover, what they won’t…at 27 I had part of my eye removed because they thought I had melanoma in my eye and at the age of 1 year my oldest daughter underwent major heart surgery…drained every penny of my husbands 401k and we still nearly went bankrupt, even with insurance because the deductible was so high and the coverage so low, so I think I have a pretty good idea. In addition, your assumption about me is completely unfounded if you are categorizing me with people having to drive fancy cars and wear designer clothes you have definitely got the wrong person…hahahaha wish you could see my car, a 1996 Nissan Sentra! But, I don’t have a car payment, don’t plan to have one either and am very happy in jeans and tee shirts, so that I can pay for things like a mortgage, food, insurance: dental insurance, life insurance, home and auto insurance and with 4 teenage drivers no less (and before anyone erupts in an uproar, 2 of those 4 teenagers are twins)… and I work very hard (about 90 hours a week) just to provide those basic necessities for my family (husband lost his job over a year ago) In addition, to make ends meet sold as much stuff as we could and moved into a home 2 times smaller than the one we had before. I also learned how to treat my own children at home even down to stitching them up if I had too (did a pretty good job too)and have since found a network of doctors that work with people without insurance and has saved me a bundle! Right now a medical savings plan is working much better than the $1200 they want a month to cover our family who makes just enough to not qualify for government insurance but not quite enough to cover the exorbitant cost of health insurance. I can relate to Elevenarrows very, very well. Try being self-employed sometime Jopa, then maybe we can talk.

      • Thamera

        And btw Jopa, I may be confused, but why should paying for other people’s medical care upset you? After all, that is what Obama is pushing for and what so many Americans are counting on, right?

        • Dan az

          Thamera
          They think everyone from the right is rich and anyone that has their own business is rich.If they ever owned their own business they would know the that we make less than if we had worked for some one else.Insurance was non existent for me except for the VA and my wife had her own from where she worked.Good for you,you sound like a survivor and will do good when the shtf.Keep up the good fight.

        • Kate8

          And jopa, do you pay for an insurance plan? Or are you counting on Obamacare to cover you, courtesy of the taxpayers?

          Oh wait. You are paid by G. Soros to sit and disrupt conservative blogsites. Guv jobs have insurance plans, courtesy of the taxpayers.

  • chuckb

    yo0u sound like a good solid citizen thamera.

    • Thamera

      Well thanks chuckb, I’m far from perfect, but I try.

  • Jay

    In 1865 a certain Jewish Rabbi named Rzeichorn delivered a speech at Prague. It is a very accurate summary of many aspects of the Protocols which would come to light several decades later. The following document was published eleven years later by Sir John Radcliff, who was assassinated shortly afterwards, giving testimony to the powers of the secret organisation of inner elite Jewry even then. It is also a stark eye-opener for anyone who harbours the impression that true orthodox Judaism is a religion, like others, based upon the pursuit of spiritual betterment, love and universal peace. Just like the Protocols, since this document was published, the plan described within it has provably come to pass: “Gold in the hands of experts will always be the most useful weapon for those that possess it and an object of envy for those who are without it.”

    “With gold one can buy the most upright consciences, with gold one can fix the value of every stock, the price of every merchandise, one can loan it to states that afterwards one holds at ones mercy.”

    “Already the principal banks, the stock exchanges throughout the world, the loans to all the governments are in our hands.”

    “The other great power is the press. By ceaselessly repeating certain ideas, the press in the end makes them considered as truths. The theatre renders similar services, everywhere theatre and press follow our directives. By an indefatigable campaign in favour of the Democratic form of government, we will divide the Gentiles amongst themselves in political parties, we shall thus destroy the unity of their nations, we will sow the seeds of discord. Powerless, they will have to accept the law of our bank, always united, always devoted to our cause.”

    “We will push the Christians into wars, by a judicious exploitation of their pride and stupidity. They will massacre each other and thus make more space where we can place our own people.”

    “The possession of land has always procured influence and power. In the name of social justice and equality, we will divide the great properties; we will give small fragments of these properties to the peasants who desire them with all their heart, but who will soon be indebted to us by the very exploitation of these properties. Our capital will enable us to become the real masters. In our turn we shall become the great owners of land, and this possession will assure our power.”

    “Let us use all our force to replace the circulation of gold by that of paper: our banks will absorb the gold, and we shall decide then what value the paper money will have, this will make us the masters of every man’s existence.”

    “We have amongst ourselves many fine orators capable of feigning enthusiasm and of convincing the masses! We will send them amongst the nations to announce the changes that will make the happiness and prosperity of mankind.”

    “By gold and by flattery, we will win the proletariat, who will take on their shoulders the job of exterminating Christian capitalism. We will promise to the workers salaries that they have never even dared dream of, but we will also heighten the price of all necessities, so much so, that our profits will be even greater.”

    “In this manner we will prepare the revolutions that the Christians will conduct themselves and out of which we shall collect the fruits. By our jokes and by our attacks we will render their priests ridiculous and eventually odious, their religion as ridiculous, as odious as their priests. We shall become masters of their souls, because our pious attachment to our religion will prove to them the superiority of our souls.”

    “We have already established men of ours in all the key positions. Let us make every effort to furnish the goys with lawyers and doctors. Lawyers get to know about every interest. Doctors, once they cross the threshold of a house, become the confessors and directors of their patient’s conscience. But above all, let us get the control of the education, of the schools. By them we will spread the ideas that are useful for us, and we will mould the children’s brains as we wish. If one of us falls into the claws of justice by misfortune, let us all go to his aid, finding as many witnesses as may be needed to save him from his judges until the moment comes when it will be us who will be judges” (Rzeichorn, published by Sir John Radcliff in 1876).

    The preceding quotation was written in 1943 in John Amery’s England and Europe, to which he adds: We have only to add from the ‘Judisk Tidskrift’ No. 57, 1929, the following short passage we owe to the pen of a certain BLUMENTHAL:

    “Our race has given to the world a new Messiah, but he has two faces and bears two names, on one side he is called ROTHSCHILD, head of the great capitalists, on the other, Karl MARX, the high priest of the enemies of capitalism.”

    BLUMENTHAL could have added now that if his Messiah has two faces he also has two masks, that of ROOSEVELT and American imperialism, and that of STALIN and the Communist paradise. Between the two, the British Empire is indeed trapped.

    Continued: http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/proof.htm#background

    • Kate8

      Jay – Fantastic post. If those who need to understand this would only read it, it might start them to, at least, question what they believe.

      Sadly though, it will only be those who are already becoming aware that will read it. I hope I’m wrong.

      Here’s another site you might find interesting. Satan’s plan for these times, laid out in detail:

      http://watch.pair.com/new-earth.html

      • Jay

        Wow, that’s a lot to digest! Thanks for the link Kate8. Interesting, most of us know and believe that the tribulation is coming, but the evil precursor that ultimately moves God’s compassion to save a portion of humanity is what should send chills up our spines! Watch and pray!!!

  • chuckb

    jay, unfortunately, most people haven’t a clue what the problem is in the world and once you try to explain it you become a bigot. that’s the word they use to keep people in their place and being bred and born like sheep they tend to abide.

    • Jay

      chuckb, we must do what we can to reach some that will understand thus giving them a chance to prepare themselves. As evil and lies are contagious and spread much like a virus, so too, can truth and goodness!!!

  • jopa

    Thamera: I am not against paying taxes for health insurance for others, especially if the HCB included the public option.The circumstances you are living today, if anyone you should be on board for the government HCB.If everyone pays a little and their fair share then people do not have to go bankrupt and sell everything they have when tragedy strikes.So far you have been lucky with your medical bills in that you were able to keep up however it sounds like you are on thin ice.I just don’t like to see people struggling and having hard times and I do wish you the best.I always say better days are coming and with your ambition you will do fine.

    • Kate8

      jopa – There are many of us who choose not to become slaves to the medical system. We do not EVER go to medical doctors for anything, but choose to use natural medicine.

      What about us? You would FORCE us into this system of the beast, kicking and screaming? You would take away our right to choose how we care for our own bodies (and souls)?

      The ultimate boundary between us and government stops and our skin. But now, they are pushing beyond that. You can’t even see that this is nothing less than TOTAL slavery, because you will be unable to make even the most personal of choices.

      You are, indeed, a loyal socialist tool.

    • Thamera

      Thank you jopa. I do appreciate that. It is indeed a “sticky wicket” that we find ourselves in, or I could say, a “fine predicament” and I appreciate your well wishes.

  • jopa

    Kate8: I hear yah!Perhaps there should be exemptions to the law.Just like the Jehovah Witnesses who refuse transfusions because of their religion.I remember a case awhile back where a child of a Witness needed a blood transfusion to save his life.I don’t remember the outcome but it sure is food for thought.It would be nice if America didn’t need universal health-care but I believe it does to prevent pain and suffering.Physically and financially.

  • Kate8

    jopa – Don’t you see that the system was set up for this? Allopathic medicine is a recent invention, and it was meant to get people enslaved to drugs. We used to know how to treat most things, handed down from generation to generation. With the advent of allopathic medicine, we were indoctrinated to believe that we must only trust the “experts”, and not ourselves. It was easily affordable at first, to get us hooked.

    And doctors are not trained in “health”, but in disease management. Cures are not the goal. As one hospital administrator put it in reprimand to a doctor, “We don’t care if the patient gets better or worse. We only care that you follow the ‘scientific’ protocol”. It seems that a patient was getting worse with conventional treatment, so the doctor tried a natural one, and the patient was cured. He nearly lost his license over it.

    Doctors are not allowed to veer from standard protocols.

    Another aspect of this is the degradation of our food and environment, so we will be sicker, and will spend more money at the doctor.

    Vaccinations brought a whole new opportunity to cause damage. They inject us with animal DNA and toxins, like mercury to cause diminished IQ. None of us are as bright as we could have been, had we not been damaged. Then, of course, they are intended to cause degneration, so we will die earlier, and they’ll get all of our money as they usher us out with their “treatments”.

    They have us by the shorthairs, believing that we can’t live without them. They’ve arragned it so that, without “insurance” (a whole new industry they were able to create by way of litigation) it is out of reach for most people. It was all designed for this moment in time, when they could use “national ‘healthcare’” to fully enslave us.

    Coming are FORCED vaccinations, which will be for the purpose of genocide. There will be “health” police who will come to your home, to do FORCED “physical exams” and administer FORCED treatment. Already, our children are taken from us if we choose an alternative. It will get much worse. We will be chipped.

    You liberals are entirely too trusting of government, and far too shortsighted. You do not know true history, and do not read these plans in the elite’s own words.

    Things are not the way you think. You are helping to enable something that is more unspeakable than you can imagine.

    • Jay

      Kate8, are you aware that the UN has developed vaccines that induce sterility, as well, the vaccine will attack and kill the virus that ails you but in addition, will attack your healthy organs, resulting in eventual death. Population control? Ensuring slavery to the medical machine? Diabolical? I’ll bet you already know about this. It was a piece exposed by Jesse Ventura.

      • Kate8

        Jay, Thanks. Yes, I am aware of this.

        I worked in alternative healthcare for many years. Most of the people who came through our doors had exhausted conventional medicine, and were either not helped at all or were badly damaged by it.

        My own health was damaged by doctors as a child, and I had to find my own way back to health. Now, I avoid medical doctors like the plague that they are, whether or not they are aware of it.

        I’ve seen so many horrors inflicted on people by modern medicine. I shudder when I read that, as we speak, they are working to make vaccinations mandatory on all of us.

  • chuckb

    jay, we do need population control, africa and the middle east would be a good place to start and we could use some in this country. the problems in africa are stemming from over population and the same goes for the middle east. we cannot continue to feed these countries and what we do ship to them isn’t enough, when they run our of food they invade their neighboring country. with the financial disaster we are running into in this country our large cities are going to turn into battle grounds. i think the master of this universe gave man brains to use, we have failed with stupid ideology and misconception.

  • jopa

    Kate8: Talking about school shots,back in the early sixties I remember going into a school room and they would have all these needles laid out for injections.All the bun son burners blazing away for sterilization and the same needles used over and over.I don’t know if they realized it at the time but those needles were pretty damn dull by the time I got my shots.Needless to say I never brought my shot forms home and when there were shots given I happened to be off that day.

    • Kate8

      jopa – You were very smart to do that!

      I wasn’t so fortunate. I got my early vaccinations, and became deathly ill as a result. I ended up with pneumonia and rheumatic fever, and my life was never the same.

      In my 30′s, I began suffering from extreme muscle weakness that recurred for several years. Finally I found a European homeopath/naturopath who said it was due to the polio vaccine, and he treated me to correct the damage. I recovered, and it has never returned.

  • JeffH

    Attorney’s Explosive Claim, Obama Changed Name in 1982
    http://www.sunlituplands.org/2011/06/attorneys-explosive-claim-obama-changed.html

    • Kate8

      JeffH – Holy cr*#! You hit the ball out of the park with this one.

      This is everything I’ve thought and MUCH more! Not only is it infuriating, it’s terrifying.

      Every American needs to see this entire presentation. Only then will we have any clue what is going on.

      Good job, JeffH. I’m forwarding this to everyone I know.

      You might want to repost this next week. Please, everyone, watch this to the end. At the last he tells who they accomplices are.

      • JeffH

        Kate8, VanJones hasn’t waivered with his communist rhetoric. Here, at a Town Hall-Seattles talk he’s pouring the communist Kool-Aid by the gallon to the moron sheep that flock to hear him. Listen to his little talk on patriotism and Paul Ryan.

        Former Obama Czar Van Jones: Paul Ryan Worse Than Al Qaeda…While Van Jones and al-Qaeda share the same passion, a burning hatred for America.
        http://weaselzippers.us/2011/06/02/former-obama-czar-van-jones-paul-ryan-worse-than-al-qaeda/

  • AJ

    It’s interesting to read all these comments just the other day a friend of mine from Minnesota told me their Govenor vetoed a bill
    that required the showing of a photo ID before you got to vote. I asked them why would he veto a bill like that? And why would there have to even be legislation of such? Their answer was if that was a requirement he (Mark Dayton) wouldn’t be in office nor would Al Frank something from Saturday Night Live wouldn’t be in office. They went on deliberating how Gorgy Swartz alis George Sorros had poured money into the coffers of state DA’s to handle the voter fraud situation.
    Well all I have to say is :it’s very interesting”.

  • Kate8

    JeffH – This totally makes sense. Think about O’s foreign army of UN troops. Who are they? They UN is mostly Muslim…I’ll wager the UN troops he’s building up on US soil are ISLAMIC troops, waiting to be unleashed against the American People.

    Think about all of the people being brought here from Islamic countries in ever increasing numbers. And the Islamic studies in all of our schools and universities.

    What is the most “holy” way to murder the Infidel? Beheading! Now that makes sense why the FEMA camps are equipped with modern guillotines!

    The Bible makes clear that there are two great powers who come against each other, being the Kings of the North (Rothschilds?-Revived Roman Empire – remember the part being played by the Vatican) and the Assyrian from the south (antichrist – Babylon). This is when Yeshua returns to stop them from completely annihilating the Earth.

    For awhile these powers are in collusion, forming the NWO. But they are using each other toward their own ends. The Assyrian wants to be the Caliph…(O?), and conquer even the North. The North plans to overthrow the South. They both wield nukes…

  • Thamera

    It’s late in the day so I may not get an answer to this question, but this discussion about voting has caused me to ask why can’t felons vote? I mean, if they have served their time, why shouldn’t they be allowed to vote? Once a felon, always a felon? Why is that?

    • Kate8

      Thamera – I’ve often wondered about that. They aren’t supposed to vote or own a gun.

      Although I knew a man who had served 11 years in prison for armed robbery, and was able to vote. I wondered about that, too.

  • Kate8
  • JeffH

    Thamera, It’s known as “Felony disenfranchisement”.

    I know that under California law, people with felony convictions can register to vote if they are out of prison and fully served their sentences and off parole.

    …this from wilkpedia…
    As of 2011, only two states, Kentucky and Virginia, continue to impose a life-long denial of the right to vote to all citizens with a felony record, absent some extraordinary intervention by the Governor or state legislature. In Kentucky, a felon’s rights can now be restored after the completion of a restoration process to regain civil rights. In 2007, Florida moved to restore voting rights to convicted felons. In July 2005, Iowa Governor Tom Vilsack issued an executive order restoring the right to vote for all persons who have completed supervision. On October 31, 2005, Iowa’s Supreme Court upheld mass re-enfranchisement of ex-convicts. Nine other states disenfranchise ex-felons for various lengths of time following the completion of their probation or parole. Except Maine and Vermont, every state prohibits felons from voting while in prison.

    • libertytrain

      There was also some sort of distinction of felony FEDERAL I’m not remembering what but knew a guy who could never vote again according to him, served time in Leavenworth, the Military prison, not the Federal prison (One is outside Ft. Leavenworth on the perimeter and one is inside the Post). I think it involved a drug or selling drugs while a soldier conviction.

      • JeffH

        I don’t believe the Feds have any say in voting matters. Under the U.S. Constitution, voting rights are granted by the states, not the federal government.

        • libertytrain

          don’t know – I should look it up sometime, but not today. Been a peculiar one and crazy.

        • Kate8

          Yes, voting rights are granted by the states. I think I read that there are only 10 states who disqualify ex-felons as voters.

          Of course, they almost unanymously vote democrat. The party of crooks.

          • Thamera

            Thank you all. I really appreciate the information.

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