An Expert Games The System

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You’ve got to hand it to Dorothy Dugger. The lady is an absolute genius when it comes to squeezing every possible penny from her former employer and from the taxpayers who ultimately foot the bill.

For more than 20 years, Dugger was employed by the Bay Area Rapid Transit system in San Francisco. And even though she didn’t do a lick of work for BART last year, she still managed to earn more than any of the other 3,340 BART employees — including the person who replaced her as general manager.

Although it sounds impossible, she earned a gross salary of more than $333,000 in 2012 without putting in a single hour on the job. Hers was the top wage at BART. I’ll tell you in a moment how she did it.

But that’s not all. Check out the other ways the longtime government employee found to game the system. Her ultimate payoff could be in the millions of dollars.

The sad charade began in the spring of 2011, when BART’s board tried to fire her as general manager. However, in the process, the board failed to follow some of the State’s public-meeting laws. Rather than face a messy lawsuit over their mistake, the board agreed to pay Dugger $920,000 if she’d just go away.

Dugger agreed and tendered her resignation in May 2011. But that was far from the end of the story. She then said she wanted to start collecting for all of the vacation time she had earned but not used in the 20 years she worked for BART. Believe it or not, that came to nearly 3,100 hours of unused vacation time.

Unlike most businesses, which have a “use it or lose it” policy when it comes to vacations, BART allows its employees to bank the value of those unused vacation days. And get this: The “value” is calculated not at what the employee was earning at the time, but at whatever salary was being paid when the employee decides to collect on it. Because Dugger got a raise of nearly $100,000 a year when she became general manager of BART in 2007, her unused vacation time took a considerable jump in value. It was now worth a small fortune.

As a result, she was able to sit at home, not doing a lick of work, and still collect a full salary, for more than 19 months. Impressive, huh?

Dugger got a paycheck and full benefits from May 2011 until December 2012. That came to another half-a-million bucks the lady collected. But there’s more. For “working” those extra 19 months, Dugger also collected an additional $138,000 in vacation time and bonuses.

That’s right. Because of the screwy way BART calculates employee benefits, Dugger earned two more months of vacation time while she was, in effect, on a paid vacation. And she got “management bonuses” even though she didn’t manage a single employee. How’s that for a sweetheart deal?

Oh, and now that she is finally off of BART’s payroll, the goodies won’t stop. She’s now collecting a pension of $181,000 a year. That figure would have been lower, but those 80 weeks of unused vacation time also boosted her pension by more than $1,000 a month.

The San Jose Mercury News reported on the grand total of Dugger’s post-resignation payday. Here’s what it found:

Settlement payment to avert lawsuit, May, 2011: $920,000
Unused vacation time as of May 2011: About 3,100 hours
Gross pay, June 2011 to December 2012: $558,000
Cost to BART for benefits, June 2011 to December 2012: $138,000
Monthly pension payments, beginning January 2013: $15,083

I hope you’re as outraged as I am by this incredible abuse of what is clearly a very lax and overly generous system.

If you are, here’s something that should make you even more upset: There are literally millions of Americans who are counting on you to provide them with a cushy, comfortable retirement. And many of them will also game the system to make their retirement pensions as high as possible. (Putting in lots of expensive overtime the last year or two on the job is just one way many of them can jack up their retirement pay.)

And unlike private companies which can go bankrupt, taking many employees’ pension plans down with them, government employees can be confident the goodies will never end. They know that governments can raise taxes (and in the case of the Feds, simply print more money) to keep those pension checks coming.

But present and future government pensioners aren’t the only ones who are counting on taxpayers to make life better for them. Consider: The U.S. Department of Agriculture now reports that 101 million Americans now participate in at least one of the 15 food assistance programs that the agency offers. The total cost for those 15 programs in fiscal 2012 was a staggering $114 billion.

At the same time, the Bureau of Labor Statistics says the number of full-time employees in the private sector came to 97,180,000 in 2012. In other words, there are more people getting food assistance in this country than there are people working full-time outside of government to pay for it.

If you think your share of the price tag has gotten bigger, you are absolutely right. Here’s how former Senator Phil Gramm summarized the situation in a column in The Wall Street Journal:

In 1980, the top 1% and 5% of income earners in America paid 19.1% and 36.9% of total federal income taxes. Today, the top 1% and 5% pay 37.4% and 59.1%. Meanwhile, 41.6% of American earners now pay no federal income taxes.

The bottom line is that there are fewer and fewer of us picking up the tab for more and more freeloaders. No wonder our share of the bill is getting higher.

It’s a battle between the taxpayers and the tax receivers. And right now, the tax receivers are winning.

Until next time, keep some powder dry.

–Chip Wood

Personal Liberty

Chip Wood

is the geopolitical editor of PersonalLiberty.com. He is the founder of Soundview Publications, in Atlanta, where he was also the host of an award-winning radio talk show for many years. He was the publisher of several bestselling books, including Crisis Investing by Doug Casey, None Dare Call It Conspiracy by Gary Allen and Larry Abraham and The War on Gold by Anthony Sutton. Chip is well known on the investment conference circuit where he has served as Master of Ceremonies for FreedomFest, The New Orleans Investment Conference, Sovereign Society, and The Atlanta Investment Conference.

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  • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

    KARL Rove is a LIAR

    “The most liberal Republican is Justin Amash of Michigan. Far more liberal than any other Republican… And why? Because he is a 100 percent, purist libertarian… and if it’s not entirely perfect, ‘I’m voting with [House Minority Leader] Nancy Pelosi.’”

    This comes as quite a shock to Amash and his supporters whose disdain for the liberal policies of the Democrat Party can clearly be seen in his voting record.

    In fact, for a bit of comparison, Justin Amash has voted with Pelosi 21% of the time while Michele Bachmann has voted with Pelosi 25% of the time.

    http://lastresistance.com/2641/karl-rove-attacks-fellow-republican/

  • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

    O’homobama Supporters Sign Petition to Repeal the BILL OF RIGHTS and Support of the Kenyan FRAUD.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=k0he0cqHH20#at=24

    How do you think Did Jeffry, KG, Dave, Mark, Deerinwater,Louis Lemieux, Smilee, Nut Case, Karolyn and alike sign it?

    • FreedomFighter

      The time to drop off the grid entirely is quickly approaching.

      Laus Deo
      Semper FI

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Great post, Alondra. My son lives in California, so I am aware of the ignorance of average Californians, but even I was not aware that they are that ignorant.

      • Jeff

        You apparently accept some of Aloonie’s lunacy at face value. I guess I gave you too much credit when I said you weren’t stupid.

        • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

          Jeffry, did not you see the video?

          The lunacy clearly belongs to the Libtards. It’s in their DNA. It’s proven by the scientific psychoanalysis.

          Read the Dr. Lyle Rossiter, Jr., M.D. book “The liberal mind”. It explains that liberalism is the product of psychopathology with the devastating effects on the
          liberal mind. We are witnessing this phenomenon of the mass psychosis among the Liberal race.

          Liberals have no credibility, because they are chronic liars, cheaters and the truth denying creatures.

          Boy, you are too anxious. It’s not good for your health. Relax and have fun.
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2n576e03Ys4

          • Jeff

            And you think there aren’t better books concluding the opposite? You’re a pathetic lunatic.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Blah, Blah, Blah.
            Ad hominem attack after ad hominem attack.
            But thank you for posting, Jeff, so the readers can experience what “compassionate” Liberal Progressives are really like.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Mad man, please name one book you are referring to.
            Do not be so miserable and pitiful. Relax, take a beer and please, be happy.
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKK9ZT1ARMk

  • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

    Sheriff Joe, Lead Obama ID Fraud Investigator, had an High-Level Meetings In Washington DC (The meeting was scheduled to go for One hour, but ended up going for about FOUR and a HALF hours)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dnkTWg1Lcb0#at=50

    Soon, Soon the Korrupt Kenyan Kriminal will go to jail, where he belongs.

    “For there is nothing covered that will not be revealed, and hidden that will not be known.” – Jesus Christ (Mathew 10:26; Luke 8:17)

    “Magna est VERITAS et praevalet” – “The truth is great and shall prevail”

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      If he does, Alondra, it will only be because his handlers have decided that he is detrimental to their well-being. After Obama will come just another tool who will continue the efforts to subjugate the American people.
      The only way Americans are going to break the vicious cycle is to throw off the Propaganda Blinders and start educating themselves in the ways of Freedom.

    • Jeff

      If Sheriff Joe is lucky, he’ll die before he gets to model pink underwear in his own jail. As for Obama, well Aloonie, keep dreaming.

      • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

        Jeffry says: “As for Obama, well Aloonie, keep dreaming.”
        Jeffry, I am NOT dreaming. I am PRAYING.

        “Great is TRUTH, and mighty above all things.” (2Ezdra 4:41)

        BTW, Is NOT your underwear PINK, Jeffry?

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          No, they’re green. Made with taxpayer money.

      • http://batman-news.com samurai

        Sheriff Joe will never be jailed, so keep dreaming. Here is an article showing that Zimmerman will be found not guilty.
        http://www.cnsnews.com/blog/patrick-j-buchanan/not-guilty-beyond-reasonable-doubt/
        FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
        You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.
        “Recession is when a neighbor loses his job. Depression is when you lose yours.”
        Ronald Reagan

  • Anonymous

    It’s a darn shame that Tony Soprano passed away this year. Because I think that BART could have had this woman whacked, for a lot less money then what they are going to pay her….

  • KG

    Chip – or is that “Bullchip”? You are a sad lot. What you are describing is no different than what the “financial gurus” did to America in 2008. And what CEO’s do all the time with their ‘golden parachutes’. Who pays for all of that? What this lady did is what every human being would do – the best they can.

    I know the angst comes from the situation of government employes getting retirement on the taxpayers dime. But, let’s stand back and see the real picture.

    Due to the Reagan era of union busting, many ‘private sector’ jobs were not very appealing. At the time, most people had to take a pay-cut to work for the government. To attract qualified people, many governments starting offering retirement plans ( And BTW, these retirement plans were still not as good as what you USED to get in the private world.) Many people made less money in the government sector for years but relied on a good pension when they were ready to retire. Well, Reagan’s ‘chickens’ have come home to roost.

    quote: 41.6% of American earners now pay no federal income taxes. Yes, that’s right because they do not MAKE ENOUGH to pay income taxes. But everyone who works for a living pays Payroll taxes – the ones; that are supposed to pay for Social Security and Medicare. So as long as people are working, Social Security will ALWAYS be there when you need it.

    Stop your lying and start saying the truth.

    “…you want the truth? YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH!”

    • CongressWorksForUs

      You should stop your own lying.

      They don’t pay no federal income taxes because they don’t make enough to pay it — they don’t pay federal income taxes because of the tax credits they can qualify for.

      That accounts for more than half of those non-payers, some of whom can earn close to the median wage in the country and still pay no federal income taxes.

      Go crawl back into whatever hole you crawled out of.

      Better still; get a job.

      • KG

        Didn’t you even read what i said?

        quote: …some of whom can earn close to the median wage in the country and still pay no federal income taxes…”

        That’s right no INCOME taxes, but EVERYONE who works for a living pays PAYROLL taxes.

        Do you even look at your check? Oh, you are one of those people who go to the bank with wheelbarrows full of money?

        • FreedomFighter

          I used to believe whole heartedly you are a foolish man KG, I no longer do, your more “Toolish than Foolish”.

          Still a nozzle being Toolish I see.

          Laus Deo
          Semper FI

          • KG

            Fo shizzle my nizzle!

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Here is an article that suggests what we need to do with our government.
            http://www.wnd.com/2013/07/top-televangelist-america-must-rise-up-like-egypt/
            Sounds like a good idea to me. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
            “The problem is not that people are taxed too little, the problem is that government spends too much.”
            Ronald Reagan

        • Vigilant

          “Oh, you are one of those people who go to the bank with wheelbarrows full of money?”

          In KG’s world. the sin is earning money fairly and honestly. Wages/salaries belong to the government and we should be thankful that it returns any $$$ to us at all.

    • Redfray

      Do you really think this is caused by just one party? You got to be kidding, it takes both parties (democrats & republicans) to allow this to happen. You can’t compare government to private economics. Government runs on taxes, but the private companies run on a commodity product. For the law to even allow this type of miss use of tax monies should be a crime of long term punishment.

      • nuf said

        The Us government ran for years without income taxes for all. US government does not need taxes. It can print it’s own money in the name of the people.

    • Don in Ohio

      KG(B),
      Quote: “What you are describing is no different than what the “financial gurus” did to America in 2008.”
      But it IS different, one is the government which takes from working people under penalty of law and the other is private business which you do not have to deal with.
      BTW, the financial crisis was mainly cause by goverment pressure on banks to make bad loans and the government, fredie and fanny, guaranting the loans, which they KNEW were bad.

      Quote: “Social Security will ALWAYS be there when you need it.”
      You must have some devine knowledge no one else has, because NOONE can guarantee the future.
      You are just PLAIN STUPID.
      I will say you have learned the commie way quite well…

      • KG

        That “…goverment pressure on banks to make bad loans…” did NOT come from government. The government wanted to expand home ownership so as to give the opportunity to everyone. Barney Frank et al really thought that the mortgage companies would do their fiduciary duty and make investments that were sound. However, they tool advantage of the government guarantees and did business like they were untouchable. While the government guarantees created the enviroment, it was the unethical bidness entremanuers who took advantage of it – NOT the ‘government’. And that’s the truth.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          No, KGB, that is not “the truth”.

          Those readers who want to know “the truth”, can start here:
          http://reason.org/news/show/the-housing-boom-and-bust

          • KG

            We do not live in a ‘free market’. If you want to live in a ‘free market’ environment, go to Somalia or Mexico. Do you really want to live there?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            We used to until the Commies and Progressives took over. But thanks for admitting that, KGB, since you Progressives so often blame our current economic troubles on Capitalism when in fact we haven’t had Capitalism for a very long time.
            Mexico has Free Markets? Thanks for showing your ignorance to the readers, KGB:
            http://www.heritage.org/index/country/mexico

          • KG

            The market is only ‘free’ for those who have the resources to make a choice. Most people who live in the inner-city usually do not have the means to drive out to the suburbs to shop for groceries. So they have to do groceries close to home. Is that person even capable of having a ‘free’ market?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            That is your rebuttal, KGB? Weak.

          • KG

            Weak for you, but not for her. Of course, you would have to be capable of empathy.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I am very empathetic, KGB. That’s why I’ve taken the time to study the issues and know that Big Government is contrary to the well-being of the average citizen. You, on the other hand, continue to push a system that rewards Leaders and their Cronies while punishing everybody else.

          • Vigilant

            “Most people who live in the inner-city usually do not have the means to drive out to the suburbs to shop for groceries. So they have to do groceries close to home.”

            Great exposition of Natural Law, KG: Life, liberty, and the right to drive out to the suburbs for grocery shopping.

        • Don in Ohio

          In the article referenced by The OriginalDaveH, Thomas Sowell is quoted as writing “at its root the housing problem is one of bad mortgages. And those came from bad decisions by government and by borrowers themselves.”
          Should I believe you (whom I know nothing about) or Thomas Sowell? I think I’ll go with Mr. Sowell.
          You proved my point when you state “While the government guarantees created the enviroment,”.
          This is true of the housing market and thousands of other activities that the government interfers with, with bad regulations, subisdities, tax credits, etc.
          THE SOLUTION IS NOT MORE GOVERENMENT, THE PROBLEM IS THE GOVERNMENT.
          Don’t tell me what the truth is because you probably don’t know it any more than I do.
          Regards.

          • KG

            Thomas Sowell is either an Oreo cookie, a coconut, or, in reality, a self-loathing, ‘uncle tom’, black Nazi.

          • Don in Ohio

            So you are smarter than Mr. Sowell because he’s black.
            OK – this discussion is over.

          • KG

            Thank you for putting those words in my mouth. BTW, you called me a ‘commie’ – does that make you a Nazi?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You have admitted before, KGB, that you favor Communism. Are you trying to deny that now?

          • KG

            Your responses have been of a highly authoritarian flavor despite your supposed “love” of freedom. You seem to be cognitively rigid, aggressive, and intolerant. Your posts are also characterized by steadfast conformity to group norms, submission to higher status individuals, and aggression toward out-groups and unconventional group members. I think you suffer from a patological condition known as Conservativisim.

          • Vigilant

            With the exception of the last sentence, KG’s giving us a peek at his autobiography.

            Worse than that, he does it again: plagiarism. You’re a totally dishonest person. Have you no shame?

          • KG

            A spectre is haunting Europe – the spectre of communism. All the powers of old Europe have
            entered into a holy alliance to exorcise this spectre: Pope and Tsar, Metternich and Guizot,
            French Radicals and German police-spies.

            Where is the party in opposition that has not been decried as communistic by its opponents in
            power? Where is the opposition that has not hurled back the branding reproach of communism,
            against the more advanced opposition parties, as well as against its reactionary adversaries?

            Two things result from this fact:

            I. Communism is already acknowledged by all European powers to be itself a
            power.

            II. It is high time that Communists should openly, in the face of the whole world,
            publish their views, their aims, their tendencies, and meet this nursery tale of the
            Spectre of Communism with a manifesto of the party itself.

            To this end, Communists of various nationalities have assembled in London and sketched the
            following manifesto, to be published in the English, French, German, Italian, Flemish and Danish
            languages.

            I. Bourgeois and Proletarians*

            The history of all hitherto existing society† is the history of class struggles.

            Freeman and slave, patrician and plebeian, lord and serf, guild-master‡ and journeyman, in a
            word, oppressor and oppressed, stood in constant opposition to one another, carried on an
            uninterrupted, now hidden, now open fight, a fight that each time ended, either in a revolutionary
            reconstitution of society at large, or in the common ruin of the contending classes.

            In the earlier epochs of history, we find almost everywhere a complicated arrangement of society
            into various orders, a manifold gradation of social rank. In ancient Rome we have patricians,
            knights, plebeians, slaves; in the Middle Ages, feudal lords, vassals, guild-masters, journeymen,
            apprentices, serfs; in almost all of these classes, again, subordinate gradations.

            The modern bourgeois society that has sprouted from the ruins of feudal society has not done
            away with class antagonisms. It has but established new classes, new conditions of oppression,
            new forms of struggle in place of the old ones.

            * By bourgeoisie is meant the class of modern capitalists, owners of the means of social production and employers of
            wage labour. By proletariat, the class of modern wage labourers who, having no means of production of their own, are
            reduced to selling their labour power in order to live. [Engels, 1888 English edition]

            † That is, all written history. In 1847, the pre-history of society, the social organisation existing previous to recorded
            history, all but unknown. Since then, August von Haxthausen (1792-1866) discovered common ownership of land in
            Russia, Georg Ludwig von Maurer proved it to be the social foundation from which all Teutonic races started in history,
            and, by and by, village communities were found to be, or to have been, the primitive form of society everywhere from
            India to Ireland. The inner organisation of this primitive communistic society was laid bare, in its typical form, by
            Lewis Henry Morgan’s (1818-1861) crowning discovery of the true nature of the gens and its relation to the tribe. With
            the dissolution of the primeval communities, society begins to be differentiated into separate and finally antagonistic
            classes. I have attempted to retrace this dissolution in The Origin of the Family, Private Property, and the State, second
            edition, Stuttgart, 1886. [Engels, 1888 English Edition and 1890 German Edition (with the last sentence omitted)]

            ‡ Guild-master, that is, a full member of a guild, a master within, not a head of a guild. [Engels, 1888 English Edition]

            Our epoch, the epoch of the bourgeoisie, possesses, however, this distinct feature: it has
            simplified class antagonisms. Society as a whole is more and more splitting up into two great
            hostile camps, into two great classes directly facing each other – Bourgeoisie and Proletariat.

            From the serfs of the Middle Ages sprang the chartered burghers of the earliest towns. From these
            burgesses the first elements of the bourgeoisie were developed.

            The discovery of America, the rounding of the Cape, opened up fresh ground for the rising
            bourgeoisie. The East-Indian and Chinese markets, the colonisation of America, trade with the
            colonies, the increase in the means of exchange and in commodities generally, gave to commerce,
            to navigation, to industry, an impulse never before known, and thereby, to the revolutionary
            element in the tottering feudal society, a rapid development.

            The feudal system of industry, in which industrial production was monopolised by closed guilds,
            now no longer sufficed for the growing wants of the new markets. The manufacturing system
            took its place. The guild-masters were pushed on one side by the manufacturing middle class;
            division of labour between the different corporate guilds vanished in the face of division of labour
            in each single workshop.

            Meantime the markets kept ever growing, the demand ever rising. Even manufacturer no longer
            sufficed. Thereupon, steam and machinery revolutionised industrial production. The place of
            manufacture was taken by the giant, Modern Industry; the place of the industrial middle class by
            industrial millionaires, the leaders of the whole industrial armies, the modern bourgeois.

            Modern industry has established the world market, for which the discovery of America paved the
            way. This market has given an immense development to commerce, to navigation, to
            communication by land. This development has, in its turn, reacted on the extension of industry;
            and in proportion as industry, commerce, navigation, railways extended, in the same proportion
            the bourgeoisie developed, increased its capital, and pushed into the background every class
            handed down from the Middle Ages.

          • Vigilant

            And ANOTHER cut and paste without indicating the source.

            KG, if you had an original thought it would die of loneliness.

          • KG

            Homosexuality

            And it came to pass, when he had made an end of speaking unto Saul, that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul … Then Jonathan and David made a covenant, because he loved him as his own soul. And Jonathan stripped himself of the robe that was upon him, and gave it to David, and his garments, even to his sword, and to his bow, and to his girdle.
            — 1 Samuel 18:1, 3-4, KJV

            I grieve for you, Jonathan my brother; you were very dear to me. Your love for me was wonderful, more wonderful than that of women.
            — 2 Samuel 1:26

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            KGBs source — The Communist Manifesto:
            http://marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ch01.htm#007
            The reality of Communism:
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomenklatura#Description

            Will you be in the favored class?

          • KG

            The reality is that neither system is perfect. I would never claim communism to be a panacea like you claim for ‘free market’ capitalism. Communism seems to suffer from the same ills that plague pure Democracy. But Capitalism tends to self-destruct every few decades as well. It was only after the ‘New Deal’ where America didn’t have a major financial crisis for almost 80 years. Which really gives a good example of mild socialist reform within a capitalist framework. For, after all, Roosevelt was really saving Capitalism from itself.

            And, yes I would be in the most important class – the proletarian, worker (or in biblical terms “the meek’).

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            KGB says — “Roosevelt was really saving Capitalism from itself”.
            Sure, KGB, 10 years of Depression and you call FDR a savior. I’d sure hate to see what you guys would call a devil.
            What a numbnuts. Capitalism only destructs because people like you suck the life out of it. If there weren’t non-producers like yourself, KGB, who can’t live without riding on other peoples’ unwilling backs by Force of Government, Capitalism would be prosperous forever.

          • KG

            I think you are showing your ignorance on basic American history. There was no such thing as “welfare” or “public assistance” before the Roosevelt administration. Most destitute people relied on the charity of religious organizations or people like the Oddfellows.

            What makes you think I’m riding on the backs of anyone? And, how many backs are you riding on?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            KGB says — “I think you are showing your ignorance on basic American history. There was no such thing as “welfare” or “public assistance” before the Roosevelt administration”.
            Did I say anything about “welfare” or “public assistance”, KGB? Where do you come up with such crap? You are as dishonest as a Socialist Progressive could be expected to be.
            Whatever help I have gotten from people in the past has been strictly voluntary on their parts. I have never Forced anybody to do anything they didn’t freely contract to do. I have never voted for anybody to do that either.
            If you weren’t in favor of riding on other peoples’ backs, KGB, you wouldn’t be on this board trying to convince people that your Communism (which is all about Force) is a desirable political system.

          • KG

            If you employ any workers, did you pay for their education? Did you build the buildings where they went to school? Did you pave the roads or build the bridges they used to get to school? I’d say there is a lot that was given to you so you could prosper. While you may find yourself ‘ethical’, what about those businessmen who underpay their workers – and when the workers use their ‘G-d given rights of assembly and redress of grievances’ you call them ‘UN-ethical?’ I am not in favor of using ‘force’ to make anybody do the right thing. I am in favor of ‘suggesting’ that they compromise and see the bigger picture. So when business use Pinkerton guards to machine gun down strikers that’s not using force? And don’t say ‘oh, that was in the past – it could never happen again.’ Human slavery is still practiced all over the world despite the calender saying 2013.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            More nonsense from KGB.
            KGB says — “If you employ any workers, did you pay for their education? Did you build the buildings where they went to school? Did you pave the roads or build the bridges they used to get to school?”.
            I paid for those things, KGB, whether I own a company or not. It’s called taxes. And they AREN’T voluntary because thugs like yourself don’t like giving people choices.
            KGB says — “While you may find yourself ‘ethical’, what about those businessmen who underpay their workers”.
            Underpay? That’s funny, I thought that employees had a choice in that matter. If you don’t like the pay, KGB, then find another job or start your own company. What’s keeping you from that, other than the Leviathan Government which you and your kind have built?
            KGB says — “So when business use Pinkerton guards to machine gun down strikers that’s not using force?”.
            Do you have any references for that, KGB? I’ve asked you that before and was met with silence. Even if your oft-repeated story was true and they acted without provocation, two wrongs don’t make a right except in Progressive minds.
            The Myth of Voluntary Unions:
            http://mises.org/daily/1604

          • KG

            How sad it is when so-called ‘educated’ people cannot recall Americas bloody labor history. May be it comes from denial, or from outright willing ignorance. If you really understood what the ‘war’ America has had over its 237 years over the issue of Labor’s right to be heard, may be even you may have some measure of empathy and respect for what Unions do for common workers.

            However, it seems you come from an ‘elitist’ background (or wish to be). If you had an ounce of intelligence, you could see the latent fascist tendencies of so called “free market economics”.

            When Pinochet went about killing his resistance in Peru, the spirit of Von Misies was there propelling his insatiable greed for his rich business buddies. At what cost? How many innocent people did he have to kill to install so-called ‘free market’ principles? I do not want that to happen in America. That’s why I will always support Labors fight for justice and dignity in the work place.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            No, KGB, it is you who is ignorant of history, real history, not the kind that Propagandists have taught our children.
            Here is some of that history for those who are interested in breaking free from the mind-numbing Propaganda that self-serving people like KGB have fed to you:
            http://mises.org/daily/3553

            And KGB, why are you are still telling the lies about Mises? Surely you realize, by the overwhelming amount of thumbs down you get on this board, that you have no credibility here?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Are you going to tell Mommy on me?

          • Vigilant

            Precisely. KG makes no bones about it. Then he claims victimhood when confronted with his own statements.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Putting words in your mouth, KGB?
            Actually, your own words were much more damning.
            Thanks for giving the readers a glimpse into the mind of a typical Socialist Progressive.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            KGB outs himself as the racist pig that he really is.
            Give these Socialist Progressives enough rope and they will hang themselves.
            It makes me wonder if he isn’t being paid to make Socialist Progressives look really bad. On the other hand, maybe he is just that ignorant.

          • Vigilant

            Thomas Sowell is one of the most highly respected economists, social theorists, political philosophers, and authors in America.

            As Don in Ohio says, do we listen to a communist shill like you, or do we learn from a genius like Sowell?

            P.S. Your comment reeks of racism.

        • Vigilant

          “While the government guarantees created the enviroment [sic]…”

          “Created the environment?” You’re positively daft. Without the guarantees it would not have happened at all.

      • nuf said

        Nobody is guaranteed social security even if they paid in their whole life. Supreme Court of the United States said this.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      KGB says — “But, let’s stand back and see the real picture”.
      That’s not something we will ever get from KGB.

      KGB says — “YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH!”.
      Another thing which we won’t get from KGB.

    • FreedomFighter

      Some people think the lord GOD is upset with them, mostly they are wrong, he only want you to trust in him. In your case KG it may be different.

      Laus Deo
      Semper FI

    • http://batman-news.com samurai

      Is this the kind of unions you want KGB (Comrade)?
      http://www.politichicks.tv/column/corporate-greed-drives-union-betrayal-on-common-core/
      FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
      You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.
      “Concentrated power has always been the enemy of liberty.”
      Ronald Reagan

      • KG

        Mr samurai, how many hours are you willing to work for free?

        • http://batman-news.com samurai

          I can work more than you, thanks to my 20 year military retirement pension. When Sook Young is off on Saturdays, we work 8 hours for free at the Faith Mission in Elkhart. Does this count? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
          You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.
          “Republicans believe every day is the Fourth of July, but the Democrats believe every day is April 15.”
          Ronald Reagan

          • Bob666

            KG,

            Let me translate for you.

            I can Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla 20 year military Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla When Sook Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla . Does this count? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!. Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla, It’s all about me. Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla, I am the only true American Patriot,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,

            Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla, I know everything about anything, Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla. I read it in the bible, Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla, I saw this on the internet about Obama bin Laden, Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,
            Bla,Bla,Bla and here is one about Hitlery, Bla,Bla, Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,BlaBla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla. and queers are going to burn in Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla, Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla

            And Demondcrate are Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla, and if you don’t go to my church-you’re going to Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla

            Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla, patriot. This leaves you out.Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla.

            “Republicans Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla, but the DemocratsBla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla.”

            Everyone get the picture?

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            No response possible due to lack of intellectual content. BTW, when do you stop violating Bob Livingston’s posting policy? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.
            “It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first.”
            Ronald Reagan

          • Bob666

            No response, Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla, I know everything about anything, Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla. I read it in the bible, Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla, I saw this on the internet about Obama bin Laden, Bla,Bla Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla, Bla,Bla,Bla and here is one about Hitlery, Bla,Bla, and Nanci Piglosi Bla, Bla, Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,BlaBla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bl,Bla. and queers are going to burn in Bla Bla Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,

            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!, Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla and I can attack people but you can’t Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla, and I can post ad hominems but you can’t because it’s all about me and Bla,Bla,Bla due my lack of intellectual Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla, and god Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,and I am Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla, because your are Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla, and it’s all about me because Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla.

            And I know nothing about Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla, But I am going to be critical of it because Alonda is and Bla, Bla, and Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,

            Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,

            Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,Bla,

            Devout Christian

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            No response possible due to lack of intellectual content. Stop violating the policy and get a life. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.
            “Masons who have reached such degrees as 32 and 33 are not called Masons. They are called Moslem Shriners. When you take the 33 degree you are taught to greet each other, ‘As-Salaam Alaikum.'”
            Elijah Muhammad
            Muslim Shriner

          • Bob666

            Oh poor Babble Geisha Boy,

            ” “Masons who have reached such degrees as 32 and 33 are not called Masons. They are called Moslem Shriners. When you take the 33 degree you are taught to greet each other, ‘As-Salaam Alaikum.'”.

            If you only had a clue! Care to cite the whacko web site you found this on or should we just start laughing now?

            Yes, we all know the world is centered around you and rules apply to everyone but you, but that that does not take away the fact that you are a useless Troll.

            Men make history and not the other way around. In periods where there is no leadership, society stands still. Progress occurs when courageous, skillful leaders seize the opportunity to change things for the better.

            Harry S Truman
            33rd President of the United States
            Belton Lodge No. 450, Belton, Missouri.
            33rd Degree Free Mason
            .

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Samurai, the “Yo Moron000 of the 13 generation out of 14” INTENTIONALLY skipped the FACT that “Harry S Truman, the 33rd President of the United States, 33rd Degree Free Mason” was a members of the KKK (Ku-Klux-Klan)

            “Great is TRUTH, and mighty above all things.” (2Ezdra 4:41)

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Thanks Alondra. Boob hasn’t even answered why the founders of the KKK were Masons. As were the ones who supported segragation, the Jim Crow laws, etd., etc., right on back to the Knights Templar. I guess that Boob can’t explain everything with his limited intelligence. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
            “The problem with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, just that they know so much that isn’t so.”
            Ronald Reagan

          • Bob666

            Hey little Geisha Panties,

            I don’t know who Boob is, but I explained that to you some time ago. Unfortunately, the fact is; you just are not a very smart guy and you lack the nads to back-up your lies.

            You like to call people names and strut your faith, but at the end of the day, your are an insecure little man who lies a lot and needs to quote the bible to make a post since you can’t stand on your own two feet.

            Did you ever read Page 183-the real one, not the lies that you posted?

            Or was it your little post about space aliens controlling free masons?

            Still hearing muffled men’s voices coming from your underwear?

            Maybe those Sessions with Marcus Bachmann will help you overcome those sick urges that you have.

            You are sad little man and a very poor excuse for a Christian. The really sad thing is; in looking at the KKK sites just to research if there was a link, They sound like a place where you and Alonda would fit it since they preach hate and quote the bible a lot.

            Oh yes, not one of the KKK web sites that I looked at mention Freemasonry at all-why do you think that is?

            “We can only know the fullest joys of Masonry when we truly walk the paths of service and of hard work in the quarries.”

            —George E. Burow

          • Bob666

            Yo Pork-Fest,
            There have been reports of Truman being in the KKK and that might even be true. I find it amusing that someone who abuses the rules of this forum using the most racial slurs and hate could or would question anyone belonging to the KKK as they represent everything that you claim to be.

            Just Saying……………

            Since those seem to be the facts.

          • KG

            Loud and clear, Bro!

            AFK ROTFL BRB!

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          KGB says — “how many hours are you willing to work for free?”.
          So you don’t want to work for free, KGB, but you don’t mind taking other peoples’ hard earned money against their will?
          How do you hypocritical Socialist Progressives stand yourselves?

          • KG

            Well, you know – “…freedom isn’t free.” I believe that we, as Americans, should pay for what we get. And since the Government saw in it’s wisdom to build the Airports, the Harbors, and the Interstate systems to allow business to engage in commerce, I believe it’s about time that the entities that benefit the most from these ‘gifts of Government’ should pay their fair share. Since I’m a poor workerbee, I don’t use those facilities as much as someone like yourself. So, who should be paying the lion’s share?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            KGB says — “Since I’m a poor workerbee, I don’t use those facilities as much as someone like yourself. So, who should be paying the lion’s share?”.
            Since you don’t really know how much I use of what, you are equivocating to make that statement, KGB, Gee, how novel — A Progressive who equivocates.
            That wouldn’t be an issue in Private Markets, KGB, because the people who used the services would be the same people who paid for them.

          • KG

            Since I receive no profit from the oil war that we had in Iraq, I shouldn’t have to pay any taxes for that? Right? Of course – I and people like me only supplied the ‘bodies’. And since they were not rich, it doesn’t matter. Wow, what patriotism! You need to listen to the Black Sabbath song ‘War Pigs”. It’s like as though they wrote prophecy:

            Generals gathered in their masses
            Just like witches at black masses
            Evil minds that plot destruction
            Sorcerers of death’s construction
            In the fields the bodies burning
            As the war machine keeps turning
            Death and hatred to mankind
            Poisoning their brainwashed minds
            Oh lord yeah!

            Politicians hide themselves away
            They only started the war
            Why should they go out to fight?
            They leave that role to the poor

            Time will tell on their power minds
            Making war just for fun
            Treating people just like pawns in chess
            Wait ’til their judgement day comes
            Yeah!

            Now in darkness world stops turning
            Ashes where the bodies burning
            No more war pigs have the power
            Hand of God has struck the hour
            Day of judgement, God is calling
            On their knees the war pig’s crawling
            Begging mercy for their sins
            Satan laughing spreads his wings
            Oh lord yeah!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            More garbage from KGB.
            When have you seen me support the US overseas warmongering, KGB?
            Favorite technique of Progressives who have no real logical or factual arguments — Go Off on Tangents.

          • KG

            Maybe not personally, but all of your Conservative buddies wanted this. I mean, it’s like what Dan Rather said about this: “…if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck then it probably IS a duck.”

    • Vigilant

      “So as long as people are working, Social Security will ALWAYS be there when you need it.”

      I’d counsel you to “stop your lying and start saying the truth.”

      If you believe that first statement, you need to go back to elementary mathematics.

      • KG

        Social Security was set up as a way to insure Americans against poverty at the point of retirement. Before SS, most old people either relied on the charity of their children or whomever else would tolerate them. That’s why so many old people were destitute and unable to take care of themselves. After the crash of ’29, peoples money in the stock market evaporated. So, to prevent a complete drop to the bottom, SS was designed NOT to rely on the stock market but on the one resource that America has always depended on – American Labor. It’s a ‘pay as you go’ system. And it’s called Social security INSURANCE. So, you pay premiums like an insurance policy. That’s why we need to educate our kids – so they can get good paying jobs and pay lots of taxes to pay for our retirement.

        However, I realize that your ‘rugged individualist’ mindset cannot fathom the implications – that we are truly ‘…our Brothers Keeper.’ (BTW, Mr Obama, our president stated this same premise and was crucified by the Religious Right.)

        • Vigilant

          The history lesson was not needed. If you had an ounce of reading comprehension ability, you would have seen that I took issue with your statement “Social Security will ALWAYS be there when you need it.”

          That’s the statement of a fool. The fund has been robbed blind since its inception. If you have confidence that American workers aren’t going to need to work twice as hard to replace what’s been stolen by the government, then you need a mental examination.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          This is really quite comical. KGB suffers from a very large foot-in-mouth:
          “That’s why we need to educate our kids – so they can get good paying jobs and pay lots of taxes to pay for our retirement”.

          Duh — Dum Dum, when you put money into a fund the idea is that you pay for yourself.
          Thanks though, KGB, for admitting that Social Security is a Ponzi Scheme, only worse because at least with most Ponzi Schemes you can choose not to participate.

  • steve

    this woman learn from the best we have to offer, the politicians. state officials new back in the 50’s that by giving in to the unions of state employees for their votes, that some day we would have to pay. that day has finally come. hail to our leaders. at least with the mob we would be told the truth if they we our leaders even if there was an wack ( killing) now and then. we are dying a slow death these days and it’s not going to stop until the government says were our of money and there is no more credit to be had. then you will see the riots in the streets. it’s called the great tribulation. stay tune , it’s coming to your neighborhood soon.

  • steve

    this woman learn from the best we have to offer, the politicians. state officials new back in the 50’s that by giving in to the unions of state employees for their votes, that some day we would have to pay. that day has finally come. hail to our leaders. at least with the mob we would be told the truth if they we our leaders even if there was an wack ( killing) now and then. we are dying a slow death these days and it’s not going to stop until the government says were our of money and there is no more credit to be had. then you will see the riots in the streets. it’s called the great tribulation. stay tune , it’s coming to your neighborhood soon.

  • boyscout

    Yes, Dorothy is a skilled tax scammer. She must have taken lessons from Senators and Congressmen or perhaps corporatist elites who all run the same legal bur immoral game – but why look there? If instead we concentrate on the out of work poor, we can kick them around without repercussion and so maintain our godly righteousness.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Who is the “we” that are concentrating on the out of work poor? Who are these “we” that are kicking them around without repercussion and so maintaining “our” godly righteousness?
      Another Collectivist wanting all to be guilty.

      • boyscout

        A not too discerning eye that takes just a few minutes to scan the postings here should have little trouble finding the collective “we.” But then, ugly as well as beauty, truly is in the eye of the beholder and one doe have to listen to all.

        • Nadzieja Batki

          Talking in vague clichés does not answer the questions asked?

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          You are no boyscout. What you advocate has led to the impoverishment of good citizens around the world throughout history. If indeed you did really care about the poor, then you would rail against a system that steals from the Productive people and gives to the Non-Productive people. By allowing that Socialism, you are allowing self-interested Leaders to disincentivize both the Producers and the Non-Producers which inevitably leads to an impoverished economy.

          • boyscout

            Do you really believe that having a devil’s advocate is a bad idea when others won’t just come out and say it? Or are you so dense that you take everything at face value and question nothing? Of course welfare for the out of work poor costs but a fraction of what subsidizing and sheltering elite interests does, and yes. socialist programs stand on very slippery ground.. However, neither fascist nor socialist tendencies will be dealt corrections by a system so riddled with corruption as ours is. And certainly we are presently experiencing an impoverished economy.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I wasn’t just responding to your last comment, which really didn’t make much sense anyway. For that matter, neither did your latest statement.
            Public School?

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Public school in Chicago.

          • Vigilant

            ” Of course welfare for the out of work poor costs but a fraction of what subsidizing and sheltering elite interests does…”

            Guess you’ve never eyeballed the federal budget, if you make an egregiously wrong statement like that.

  • nc

    Chip. you make a living that makes you a tax payer for those that don’t pay taxes? Mitt’s 47% that includes retirees, disabled vets and the less fortune who would work if they could! And you do it sitting on your butt writing articles and giving paid speeches on how unfair life is to you and your fellow conservatives who voluntarily fly first class to your conferences.
    The conservative utopia: No public workers unions! No minimum wage protection. Certainly, no perks like health insurance or vacation leave. even unpaid vacations for the public workers! ( they won’t have any money to go on vacation anyway)
    ABSOLUTELY NO TAXPAYER ASSISTANCE OF ANY KIND! ALLTAX PAYER FUNDS MUST BE USED FOR THE BENEFIT OF BIG BUSINESS AND THOSE RICH ENOUGH TO TRAVEL!
    AND NOW THE BIGGIE! AN END TO ALL SOCIAL SECURITY PAYMETS! SOCIALIST IDEA ANYWAY! IT won’t worry the public worker in conservative utopia that Social S
    ecurinty is not taken from his pay (?) check! He doesn’t have enough MONEY to pay his last months fuel bill to keep the kids warm!
    You conservatives complain about all of the money paid out to the people on social security each month! “Billions of dollars” you scream!!!!Do you know how much of that they spend back into the economy before the next needed SS check arrives?? BILLIONS OF DOLLARS! IT IS THE LARGEST LONGEST RUNNING STIMULUS TO OUR LOCAL ECONOMIES IN OUR HISTORY> ASK YOUR LOCAL MOM AND POP OPERATIONS WHERE THEY WOULD BE IF THAT “SOCIALIST” PROGRAM WERE TO CEASE!!
    CONSERVATIVES WOULD BITCH EVEN IF WE HUNG THEM WITH A NEW ROPE!

    • red neck

      nc…. You are a chronic LIAR!
      All you do is blame the “other” guy and make-up excuses for your god and king obama and his communist party. Your idiot obama put us here!

      • independent thinker

        nc is a believer in the saying “If you cannot impress them with your logic then baffle them with bull-sh!t.” He is a miserable failure at logic and does a poor job of baffeling but he sure keeps producing the BS.

        • Bill

          Hi Indy,
          There is also another saying here that applies to NutCase,
          “If you don’t say anything, they just think your are stupid. But when you open your mouth, they know you are stupid”

          • independent thinker

            Stop it Bill, I spewed RC all over laughing.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            D’oh! :-) :-) :-) Sook Young and I are still laughing from this one. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
            “All great change in America begins at the dinner table.”
            Ronald Reagan

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      NutCase shouts — “Do you know how much of that they spend back into the economy before the next needed SS check arrives?? BILLIONS OF DOLLARS! IT IS THE LARGEST LONGEST RUNNING STIMULUS TO OUR LOCAL ECONOMIES IN OUR HISTORY”.
      Clearly NutCase hasn’t got a clue about economics. Spending money earned in the past to buy current products and services does not “stimulate” an economy. It is merely Consumption. If none of us did anything but Consume goods and services, it wouldn’t be long before the economy collapsed. There must be Production. And the Socialism that NutCase advocates is anything but Productive.
      When people can’t keep the wealth which they have created from the thieving hands of Progressives, they obviously lose incentive to be Productive over time. That’s why Socialism always fails as soon as the Socialists run out of other peoples’ money.

    • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

      “WISE men speak because they have something to say; FOOLS because they have to say something.” – ascribed to Plato, the world’s most influential Ancient Greek Philosopher

    • Truthful

      You need to quit screaming about things you do not understand. And as a small business owner my tax dollars never return to me through any of these socialist programs.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      NutCase says — “No minimum wage protection”.
      Protection? From what? Employment?
      If a potential worker is capable of producing less for a company than the minimum wage the company would have to pay him/her, why in the world would that company want to employ them? Are they in business to lose money? So of course, the companies won’t hire those people who then must go without any job at all.
      Does NutCase care what his policies do to decent people who want a job? Of course he doesn’t, or he would take the time to learn some simple economics and quit advocating negatively-productive Socialistic policies.
      http://mises.org/daily/6367/Outlawing-Jobs-The-Minimum-Wage

    • http://batman-news.com samurai

      Rant, rant, rant. Why all the screaming no cajones? What is wrong with Americans being self reliant, personally responsible, and to keep government small? Ooops! I guess you’ll lie about how Americans couldn’t survive if that were to happen. Actually it would be just the opposite. People wouldn’t be able to sit on their backsides waiting for their next government check. They would have to go out and work, no matter the job or the pay. Here is a video about a doctor who won his lawsuit against Obama bin Laden Care.
      http://www.conservativevideos.com/2013/07/dr-steven-hotzes-early-win-in-lawsuit-against-obamacare/
      Here is one of a man speaking out against queers and queer adoption. This one would probably anger Obama bin Laden.
      http://www.conservativevideos.com/2013/07/man-raised-by-two-lesbians-speaks-out-against-gay-marriage/
      FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
      You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.
      “Government’s first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives.”
      Ronald Reagan

  • wavesofgrain

    Another Public Parasite Employee. The most devastating thing our country did was to allow unionization of Public Employees. There is no oversite. The Public Employee System will soon consume its taxpayer hosts.

  • Nadzieja Batki

    I will say that the woman did everything that was “LEGAL” to do to get the money, otherwise the BART lawyers and their agents would be doing a different dance. The woman did not make the laws and bylaws and directives, etc., she really did obey what was on the books. Cannot fault her for knowing all this and taking advantage of this.
    It is immoral what she did because it can be said she is STEALING from the taxpayers but where does it say that morality entered the picture when He and His Laws were deemed unnecessary in the Public Square.
    Can’t have it both ways.

  • TheOriginalDaveH
  • FreedomFighter

    “20 years, Dugger was employed by the Bay Area Rapid Transit system in San Francisco”
    When Commifornia goes down the tubes don’t give them a single federal tax dollar, I not willing to pick up the tab for progressive democrat fools destroying the state they live in with socialist Alinsky tactics. Let the tax payers of the state carry the burden of there own mistake…at least the ones that stay in the state, at this point anyone with any money is hitting the road to another state with a better taxation plan.

    In the mean time we can watch one of the prime examples of “Progressive Liberal Democrat” leadership BURN ITSELF OUT. Socialism is a failure and always has been a failure in every single society its tried – no exceptions, they run out of other peoples money.
    Oh and END THE FED

    Laus DeoSemper FI

  • Bill

    These are the kind of people the government should be going after instead of the small business’s that employ people.

  • TheOriginalDaveH
    • http://batman-news.com samurai

      Here is one showing Claire Daily from Ireland, ripping into Obama bin Laden. She refers to him as a hypocrite, war criminal, and many other things. The videos included in the article are worth the time to watch. Isn’t it time to do this in America?
      http://www.wnd.com/2013/07/obama-hypocrite-of-century-speech-goes-viral/
      FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
      You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
      “Government’s view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And it if stops moving, subsidize it.”
      Ronald Reagan

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        You can bet the Syrian involvement of the US has more to do with this, than any lame attempts to insure peace:
        http://2012patriot.wordpress.com/2011/04/28/new-libyan-gold-dinar/
        http://www.oilempire.us/euro.html
        http://www.arabicnews.com/ansub/Daily/Day/060313/2006031318.html

        Can you say Crony Capitalists?

        • http://batman-news.com samurai

          Great sources! Thanks for the info fellow patriot. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
          You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

      • Jeff

        “Government’s view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And it if stops moving, subsidize it.”
        Ronald Reagan
        Yes, it could be if the one doing the “summing” is a moron. Reagan made a lot of idiotic statements during his career. Fortunately, he didn’t govern nearly as badly as his rhetoric might have forecasted.
        BTW: The Irish politician you’re so in love with is an actual leftist. Many on the left are very displeased with Obama. This is hardly the discovery of the decade.

  • securityman

    [comment has been edited] myself and millions more paid into SS for years and now you say end it. are you going to repay all the money we put into it for our retirement or do you just want to kick us to the side of the road. take all the freeloaders like you off of it. the ones that have never put anything into it should be kicked out of it. quit paying the illegals to come into our country and have more kids so they can collect more welfare.all the different gov. agencys need to get their greedy paws out of the SS bank.

    • ONTIME

      I say phase it out and make it voluntary in the next 15 years, many of us could have made a lot more than SS ponzi pays and there are some fine investment programs that pay better and your not letting the government use your money for free or next to nothing….whenver the government wants to give you anything, cover every orifice on your body……axiom.
      SS is like the IRS/progressive tax, it is out of date and needs to retire.

      • securityman

        ok. then what about the ones that need it now? as little as it is, it keeps some people going.for some it is all they have coming in.

  • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

    Another incompetent rat (Janet Napolitano) jumps ship
    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57593463/janet-napolitano-resigning/

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Just what we need — Janet Napolitano educating our children.

      • Jeff

        I thought you don’t believe in public schools. Isn’t it theft of your MONEY?

        • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

          Jeffry, do not worry. You aren’t the only person in room, who does not understand sarcasm.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Here is an article talking about how Americans have a thing for sociopaths.
            http://www.townhall.com/columnists/michellemalkin/2013/07/12/americas-sociopath-fetish-n1639023/page/full
            This would go to describe the 5th columners on this site. Michelle Malkin tells it like it is. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
            “We should measure welfare’s success by how many people leave welfare, not by how many are added.”
            Ronald Reagan
            40th President of the U.S.

          • Jeff

            Thank you. Until I read that article, I was not aware of the depths of Ms. Malkin’s clueless devotion to trashing people without reason. There are at least 160 million females in the U.S. If you assume even 25% of them are in the applicable age range to have crushes on the people she mentioned, that’s about 40 million women. Of those, we’ve seen literally a handful who have expressed a romantic interest in such bad boys. So, if she has to sink that low to say something negative about feminists, I guess they’re in pretty good shape.

          • Jeff

            It’s not sarcasm; it’s what DaveH actually thinks. You can’t parody someone who is so extreme.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            As expected, Jeff does not answer my question. He knows that I will make him look like a fool (as usual).

          • Jeff

            CB:

            What question? If it was “what’s your point?” I hardly think It requires an answer. You’ve identified yourself as someone who doesn’t believe in public education because it’s theft of your MONEY. What else need be said, Creepy?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            As expected — NO answer. Just a repeat of his original comment.
            Creepy Liberal Progressives know they don’t stand a chance at a logical or factual debate.

          • Jeff

            Dave, I have no idea WTF you’re talking about. We have fundamentally different ideas about the role of a society, the role of government in a society, and the importance of education not just to an individual but to all of us. I think it’s important that your kids get educated; you clearly don’t reciprocate. I don’t know what there is to discuss. You’re certainly not going to convince me of anything, and my Austrian isn’t good enough to convince you.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Jeff says — “Dave, I have no idea WTF you’re talking about”.
            Sure you do, Jeff. You just know that to answer my question will expose your ignorance.
            I said — “Just what we need — Janet Napolitano educating our children”.
            To which You said — “I thought you don’t believe in public schools. Isn’t it theft of your MONEY?”.
            To which I said — “It sure is, Jeff. So what is your point?”.
            Is that simple enough for your public-school-educated mind, Jeffy?
            Jeff says — “I think it’s important that your kids get educated; you clearly don’t reciprocate”.
            And you deduced that how, Jeff?
            Obviously, I value education highly. Anybody reading my comments and yours can see which of us is more highly educated.

          • Jeff

            I’m sure you believe in education, Dave – just not in public support for the education of those whose parents cannot afford it. That was the exact position of the John Birch Society when I was in high school 40 years ago. And your assuming your education is so superior without actually divulging it is the kind of thing that makes you so Creepy. All I see is you’ve swallowed whole a philosophy most realize is idiotic by the time they’re 15.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I don’t “assume”, Jeff. I know that my education is superior to yours. I can see that in your ignorant comments which rely heavily on ad hominem attacks in lieu of facts.
            I don’t believe in people being forced to pay for other peoples’ education, especially when that education is largely Propaganda from self-serving people not unlike yourself. But since we do have that, whether we like it or not, then the next best thing would be to insist that even if Government does steal other peoples’ money for education, that all they do is provide that money and let parents decide for themselves which schools and which education to choose for their children.
            Then those kids could learn to think for themselves and outside the box in which you evil Progressives have them currently trapped.

          • Jeff

            CB:

            I’m tired of your creepy attitude and your snide comments about your superiority based on nothing but a rigid adherence to a morally bankrupt philosophy followed by almost no one. Your every post is filled with ad hominem attacks even if you don’t recognize them as such. Assuming you are superior to those who disagree with you is inherently ad hominem. In fact, you have flatly stated than anyone who is a progressive must be lying. If I choose not to respond to your creepiness, do not take it as a sign of victory (although you will proclaim it such in any event).

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            “When you angry, count to four. When very angry, swear.” ~ Mark Twain

            And remember: “For every minute you are angry you lose sixty seconds of happiness.” ~ Ralph Waldo Emerson

            Smile, Jeffry ! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBLssEOTEr8

          • Jeff

            Not being angry but so wishing to further your education, I thought I’d provide the actual quote:

            “When angry, count to four; when very angry, swear.”
            See, “when you angry” is improper English and Mark Twain’s ghost will get you for attributing such usage to him. Happy to be of assistance.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Then go away, Troll.

          • Jeff

            I would but that would please you, CB.

          • John Woodbury

            Does this mean you will not be responding as much. Ha Ha Ha, the day just got brighter. Thanks Jeff.

          • Jeff

            Dave, you can only make me or anyone else look like a fool to the 1% of the population who agrees with your radical opinions. I simply disagree with you about everything. That doesn’t make me a fool; it makes me a reasonable person who knows Ayn Rand is for naive sophomores.

          • Don in Ohio

            Jeff,
            I’ve read DaveH posts for a long time and they make FAR more sense than yours.
            The Up/Down arrows shows mostly Up for Dave and mostly Down for you…so do all the people on here represent just 1% of the population???
            I think not.
            In reference to public education, it’s NOT free. Everyone pays for it directly through property tax and other ways and the students have to pay FEES for a wide range of things that were provided *free* in the past. I know this because I have 3 grandchildren in public school.
            Also, you state: “to provide school for those that can’tt afford it” doesn’t make since because as I just explained we’re paying plenty for it.
            If the amount spent by public schools was spent on private schools, we would see a vast improvement in results!
            Don

          • Jeff

            I think so, Don. When has a Libertarian candidate for President received more than 1% of the vote? Do you really think a sizeable % of Americans, even conservative ones, want to go anywhere near as far as DaveH (and you apparently) in eliminating all traces of Government from the economy and essentially returning to the 1890s? DaveH is not interested in reforming school curriculum; he thinks if your parents are poor, you have no business in school. Why should his tax dollars pay for anything he’s not personally benefitting from? It’s an antisocial, creepy philosophy based on greed and selfishness. At least Ayn Rand was honest enough to admit it.

          • John Woodbury

            You are wrong DaveH he does well enough by himself. Read post and see what this has to do with the story.

          • Jeff

            Were you attempting to speak? I thought I heard the sound of throat clearing.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          It sure is, Jeff. So what is your point?
          Also, Public education is sure to be misused by Politicians in their efforts to Propagandize our Children. We were warned of this fact 300 years ago:
          http://mises.org/journals/jls/7_1/7_1_3.pdf
          Even those who believe Government should provide the means for education should know that Government could do that without micromanaging peoples’ educational choices.

          • Vigilant

            “The children who know how to think for themselves, spoil the harmony of the collective society that is coming, where everyone (would be) interdependent.” —
            John Dewey, 1899

      • JeffH

        In the UC system of all places.

  • TheOriginalDaveH

    Mark Angstman, on facebook, says — “Why is what this woman did horrendous when a CEO lays off hundreds if not thousands of workers and takes home a $5 million bonus for doing so? What’s fair for the goose is fair for the gander!”.

    The answer to that, Mark, is that the CEO works for a company of people, who invested their own money in their business and sell their products to voluntary customers, and therefore have the right to pay their employees whatever they damn well please or hire whomever they damn well please (upon the employees’ voluntary acceptance).
    On the other hand, Government gives their customers no choice. Their customers pay or go to jail. One might say “But we get to vote”. Whoopee! Every two or four or six years (depending on the rep) we get to vote and then must accept whatever the majority of fools vote for, whether we like it or not.
    Your comparison, Mark, is fallacious.

  • TheOriginalDaveH
    • JeffH

      Thanks DaveH…a familiar and excellant read.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        A very prescient statement from the book:
        “In short, the atomic bomb is likely “to put an end to large-scale wars at the cost of prolonging ‘a peace that is no peace.’” The drift of the world will not be toward anarchy, as envisioned by H.G. Wells, but toward “horribly stable … slave empires.””

        • JeffH

          I also thought there were several statements that were oh-so-familiar. In particular the statement regarding the Pentagon promoting fear to the masses in order to justify the constant perpetuation of war. Not war inside of the world powers, but all of the little skirmishes in the third world countries.
          Thanks for posting that link…oops that mises link.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Shhh. You’re going to wake up the Liberals.

  • Don in Ohio

    Quote: “Rather than face a messy lawsuit over their mistake, the board agreed to pay Dugger $920,000 if she’d just go away.”
    This is an example of the lack of justice in our court system. In far too many cases, one side of a dispute simply gives up because it’s cheaper than continuing even when you know you are right.
    What mistakes did BART make worthy of $920,000?
    The deal should have been for a couple hundred grand TOTAL or “see you in court”.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      The only way to cure that problem is to privatize our court system, so there is competition forcing them to make sound judgement or lose their customers.
      http://library.mises.org/books/Murray%20N%20Rothbard/For%20a%20New%20Liberty%20The%20Libertarian%20Manifesto.pdf
      See chapter 12 — “The Public Sector, III: Police, Law, and the Courts”.

      • Oldmonkey

        Von Misses is generally reliable, but can’t help but wonder whether privatizing the courts is the best solution. Easier impeachment of judges, and binding private mediation might be better solutions.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Individuals voting with their wallets have always proven to be the strongest deterrent to bad service.

      • smilee

        Add profits to it and drive the cost up and get no better results if even as good.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Because a dishonest Liberal Progressive says so?

      • KG

        Sorta like the courts in Nazi Germany? No wonder why Von Misies thought Fasceism earned it’s place in history!

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          KGB,
          We already established your dishonesty on that issue. Give it up. You have no credibility on this board.

          • KG

            So, the truth hurts, eh? Like what Colonel Nathan R. Jessup said:

            “…you want the TRUTH? YOU CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH!”

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            The Truth and what you offer, KGB, are as opposite as Capitalism and Communism.

          • John Woodbury

            KG, after reading your post for more than 3 years, I would have to say you would not know the truth if it bit you on the er…nose.

    • Oldmonkey

      The Board members are almost all incompetent Quangocrats who finally made the grade to incompetent elected officials. Other than worker bees and 1st line supervision to retain institutional knowledge, the rest of management should be contracted. Management that makes its way up the ranks are the most expensive knowing how to make a river flow to their advantage.

  • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

    Listen the TRUE American – Police Officer, Chief Kessler, who Goes Nuclear Over the Kenyan FRAUD’s IDs Fraud Part 1 and +
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlwsFeTR-Dc

    PASS IT ON

  • Sharpshooter

    This story is a prime example of what happens when you have a union running the organization and absolutely no controls in place. If people were aware of ALL of the corruption going on in the government employees work place, they would put a stop to it immediately. Actually what is being done here is legal and above board, just some one asleep at the switch when the contracts were written!

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      What else can we expect when the Government is running things?

    • Don in Ohio

      Azlecitizen, I quote;
      “just some one asleep at the switch when the contracts were written!”
      Not really, This woman was management and who agreed to the contract, management! (OK, the board but what’s the diff?)
      THEY WROTE THE RULES FOR THEMSELVES!
      The fox guarding the hen house.

  • Speedy

    Lets have a poll here. How many of you people would turn Dugger’s deal down? You included Chiparoo.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      How many people would knowingly cheat the taxpayers?
      Not I.

      • Mike Butler

        Every person we have on the Government payroll, From the White House down to the lowest level employee there is.

  • DoingMoreWithLes

    All of the Federal Government employees played this game under CSRS. Saving all vacation and sick leave to pad out their high 3 to collect better retirements and then switch over to a 6 figure salary with some contracting job they invented before retiring. They get a huge chunk of money just for selling back the leave at their current hourly salaries. This will continue until the country goes bankrupt.

  • BHR

    No morality—take what you want—do what you want

  • Cliffystones

    “Unlike most businesses, which have a “use it or lose it” policy when it comes to vacations, ”

    Sorry Chip, but you are absolutely wrong on that. Vacation pay, unlike sick pay, is accrued at most bussnisses over time. When accrued it becomes YOUR money. I have left several companies and was always paid my accrued vacation pay upon termination. In her case we may not like it, but again it was hers to begin with.

    There may be a “use it or lose it” policy at some businesses, but I have never heard of one on vacation pay until now. Examples?

    • Cliffystones

      And my example was with non-union companies I worked for.

  • John Zimmer

    I agree completely with your article about Dorothy Dugger. However I wonder if you have the guts to expose some of these CEO’s who destroy the corporations they head aand then walk away with millions. This includes not only corporate raiders from the outside but those who are hired by a company, come in andthen destroy the very company they head by selling off assets, “downsizing / firing” employees….offshoring, eliminating / stealing from penison plans, eliminating promised retirement benefits all in the name of “shareholder equity”. An example of this in my opinion is Alan Z. Loren who along with John Scully almost destroyed Apple. Lorenz was known as “the most hated man at Apple” and was quickly disposed of upon Steve Jobs return. He then went on to IBM, Dun & Bradstreet and PPH mortgage and I understand he is now on the Board of Directors of Iron Mountain. I truly hope there is a special place in hell for people like Loren, who have ruined the lives of thousands of hard working Americans who worked many years for their respective companies only to see most of it taken away by ilk like Loren. Dos YOU have the guts to expose such people who are destroying our American way of life or does your livelihood depend upon the likes of them ????