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America’s Favorite Ponzi Scheme

September 30, 2011 by  

America’s Favorite Ponzi Scheme

Who talked Rick Perry into grabbing the third rail of American politics?

In case you don’t recognize the phrase, “the third rail” refers to any criticism of the Social Security system or any suggestions on ways to improve it by anyone running for public office anywhere in the United States.

It’s called the third rail because, just like a subway line, touching it usually proves fatal.

In the book Perry published last year, which he called Fed Up!, the Texas Governor referred to Social Security as “a Ponzi scheme.” Nobody made much of a fuss about it at the time. Outside of Texas, who cares what the Governor there says?

But now that Perry has taken the top spot in the Republican race for the White House, the poor guy is really getting pounded for it — and for a bunch of other “crazy, right-wing” sentiments he expressed there as well. Or at least so saith The New York Times and The Washington Post.

Oh, and lest we forget, also so saith Mitt Romney, who just happened to be the front-runner  in the race for the Republican nomination before that upstart Texan entered the race. Romney isn’t content to make sure Perry touches that third rail. He wants to make him ride it like some hapless tourist on the bucking bronco at Mickey Gilley’s place.

I confess, I haven’t read Fed Up!. But I have read a ton of condemnations of what’s in it. And guess what? I agree with Perry’s arguments.

What about you?

Ruth Marcus, one of the less rabid liberals who writes for The Washington Post, told her readers that the book “makes George Bush look like George McGovern.” That’s all the typical Post reader had to read to accept that the Texas Governor is an irresponsible wild man.

What did Marcus find so horrifying? His most egregious sin, she wrote, is that he would repeal the 16th amendment. That’s the one that foisted a progressive income tax on this country in 1913, something that had been ruled unConstitutional for the previous 130 years. Yes, the United States government existed and managed to pay all of its bills without an income tax for more than 130 years.

Knowing how her inside-the-Beltway readers would react (there isn’t a single government giveaway they aren’t convinced deserves more of your money), she wrote, “Raise your hand if you believe, as Perry suggests, that it is wrong to ask the wealthiest to pay a greater share of their income than the poor.”

Remember, this is what passes at the Post for intelligent, fair-minded commentary.

Next on her horror list is that Perry “lambastes the 17th Amendment.” This is the one that “instituted direct election of senators” in each state. Perry rightly says that taking this responsibility from State Legislatures was a “blow to the ability of states to exert influence on the federal government.” Can anyone quarrel with that or argue that this country is better off because of it?

After condemning Perry for his concern about Social Security and other New Deal programs, Marcus goes for the jugular. Here’s how she presents Perry’s most outrageous opinion:

As much as he dislikes the New Deal, Perry is even less happy about the Great Society, suggesting that programs such as Medicare are unconstitutional. “From housing to public television, from the environment to art, from education to medical care, from public transportation to food, and beyond, Washington took greater control of powers that were conspicuously missing from Article 1 of the Constitution,” he writes.

From where I sit, that’s one of the most moderate descriptions I’ve read this year of what Big Nanny government has been doing for most of my life. But to Marcus and her Beltway banditos, they are nothing short of heresy. She went absolutely ballistic, declaring, “Whoa! These are not mainstream Republican views.”

They aren’t? They are actually pretty moderate, compared to what I hear every day from Republican friends and neighbors. Do you think it’s possible the folks in Washington are out of touch with mainstream America?

Don’t get me wrong; all of this fake controversy still hasn’t made me Perry’s biggest fan. I’m concerned about many of his past actions and attitudes. This is the guy who was Al Gore’s campaign manager in Texas in 1988. That shows a lack of discernment that I find very worrisome.

Having said that, hearing Romney denounce the guy as a flippier flip-flopper is a hoot. Talk about a pot calling the kettle black. I, for one, am glad to see both candidates taking off the gloves and starting to duke it out. This country is desperate for some bold, manly leadership. So far, the closest we’ve come to it is Sarah Palin and Michele Bachmann.

Ah, well, political contests do seem to bring out the craziness in a bunch of people. One of the shockers I heard last week is that the Barack Obama campaign expects to raise — and spend — more than $1 billion.

Remember, every single penny of that gigantic sum will go into smearing Obama’s Republican opponent, whoever that may be. And it will go toward promoting socialism at home and internationalism abroad. That’s a lot of money to spend on taking us down the wrong road.

There will be no Hillary Clinton around this time, forcing him to spend most of his time, attention and money winning the nomination. I think it’s safe to say he’s got a lock on it this time. So look for a really nasty campaign once it really gets going. A lot of folks who feed at the public trough are desperately afraid that their good times might come to an end.

All of which brings me back to Perry’s description of Social Security as a Ponzi scheme. In the sense that it requires taking money from new contributors today to pay off retirees whose own contributions were spent years and decades ago, of course he’s absolutely right.

But considering that Charles Ponzi’s financial ruse was entirely voluntary, it depended on the greed and gullibility of its participants to make it work and Ponzi wasn’t able to use the threat of force to extract a single dime from his participants, I suggest that Perry owes Ponzi an apology. In his wildest fantasies, Ponzi couldn’t do as much damage to American independence and self-reliance as Social Security has done.

What’s even worse, however, is how demagogues and power-seekers have used this issue to frighten and mislead a huge number of American voters. Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and their minions know they can count on the vast majority of their followers to be “too damned dumb,” as one politician put it, to understand how they are betraying the trust they have been given.

Yes, we probably owe Ponzi an apology. He was never this despicable or this greedy. But, oh, how his successors have learned from his example.

Until next time, keep some powder dry.

–Chip Wood   

Chip Wood

is the geopolitical editor of He is the founder of Soundview Publications, in Atlanta, where he was also the host of an award-winning radio talk show for many years. He was the publisher of several bestselling books, including Crisis Investing by Doug Casey, None Dare Call It Conspiracy by Gary Allen and Larry Abraham and The War on Gold by Anthony Sutton. Chip is well known on the investment conference circuit where he has served as Master of Ceremonies for FreedomFest, The New Orleans Investment Conference, Sovereign Society, and The Atlanta Investment Conference.

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  • s c

    Just because Perry knows Social Insecurity is a Ponzi scheme does NOT make him presidential. Every candidate has baggage, and some of Perry’s baggage makes him seem more like a ‘Democrat’ version of a RINO.
    Perry needs to decide what his priorities are. I will be very surprised if he has what it takes to tell the old fart, limp-wristers in Washington what to do with their fence-sitting approach to finding potential W H residents. It’s his choice.
    Perry is right when he calls Social Insecurity a Ponzi scheme. I will remind readers again that long ago the Supreme Court said that no one has a right to expect their S S ‘retirement’ to be there when they need it. Both parties are guilty of gross negligence and criminal theft – and worse.
    Political status quo is a disease. If we have any real leaders in the wings, the time to show themselves as true leaders and finally enforce the Constitution is now. Is Perry a real leader? I doubt it. Only in politics can you be right and wrong at the same time (and moral and immoral, and a doer and a poser) – and make it a rich and very rewarding career.

    • olinda moore

      Perry is a lider,to me he told the people the true,sometime the true hertbut we have to take it.When he said the fence from texas to california dont work ,he is correct,the drogcartell make caves to pass,just like the terrorist living undergrown,so Rick perry is correct,now ilegals in americans schools,is better to have them in college studing to be sombody and help this economy one day,becouse they come to usa to found better jobs,to found the american dream,Rick Perry is very intelligent to have them in school not being criminals,ganster,killing peopleor stilling,Rick Perry is correct and he love this country.

      • Mary

        Actually, they must have lived in Texas for 3 years, be working toward citizenship, and they must have graduated from a Texas high school. And, of course, if they were born here in Texas they are not illegal. I understand that the same program has been offered to some students in other border states. No candidate is going to do everything we all agree with, or be perfect.

        • crystal

          …but this is a big one. Having people subsidize illegal immigrants college tuition is too much. We have our own kids to consider and the way it’s doled out is that tuition for American students increases. Then part of what American families are paying in tuition is given to illegal immigrants. So if you’re paying $10,000 in tuition — $1,000 of that is not part of your tuition.

          This is too expensive to put on the American citizen and it does cause resentments.

          It may not be their fault they are here, but it’s not our fault either and we should not be forced to pay for it.

          • Old Henry

            One thing that seems to be largely overlooked is all the disease these criminals are bringing into our country.

            Shoot to kill everything coming North over the border.

          • Jerry

            Define Illegal at
            adjective 1. forbidden by law or statute. 2. contrary to or forbidden by official rules, regulations, etc.:
            Does our Elected Officials and OBAMA not own a Dictionary? When you do something Illegal are you rewarded or made to suffer the consequences. This Nation is in a Sad State with a Narcisistic President !!! Purge The System in 2012

      • metalflyer11

        All Perry is doing is stealing some Ron Paul ideas to sound more libertarian. The strategy is not working. We all know he has plenty of baggage behind him and he is more of the same.
        I also DO NOT agree in giving illegal immigrants free schools, jobs, etc. This is why they are comming across in millions and we the citizens are paying for it without the same benefits. There is something very wrong with our immigration when it is easier for an illegal to get citizenship than a legal immigrant. It should be the other way around. I have no problem on giving legal immigrants an easier path to citizenship, but they all have to Swear allegiance to the Flag & the Constitution. They all should study & learn the Contitution before becoming citizens. I am ashamed that many of our citizens have forgotten its meaning & purpose. I will allways despise an illigal immigrant desrespecting the US Flag. An illegal has no rights no 1rst ammendment.

        • eve4drpaul

          That’s right.
          Perry should be doing what Ron Paul advocates- which would be the best anti-illegal policy ever…
          No Benefits for Illegals.
          No food stamps.
          No education.
          No medical.
          No housing.

          They would self-deport if we quit giving out the incentives to come here. Texans and Americans need to quit footing the bills for people who are here illegally. Then we wouldn’t have the issue of these college students getting instate tuition because they wouldn’t have the high school diploma!

          Ron Paul or NONE at all!

          • michael lawson


        • eve4drpaul

          Furthermore, let’s look at Perry’s “job creation” record-

          “Of jobs created in Texas since 2007, 81 percent were taken by newly arrived immigrant workers (legal and illegal),” says the report from the Center for Immigration Studies, a group that advocates reduced levels of both legal and illegal immigration. The report estimates that about 40 percent of the new jobs were taken by illegal immigrants, while 40 percent were taken by legal immigrants. The vast majority of both groups, legal and illegal, were not American citizens.

          Native-born Americans filled just 20 percent of the new jobs in Texas, the report says, even though “the native born accounted for 69 percent of the growth in Texas’ working-age population.” “Thus, even though natives made up most of the growth in potential workers, most of the job growth went to immigrants,” the report concludes.

          The report is based on analysis of the Census Bureau’s Current Population Survey.

          More here:

      • Papa

        It’s not all that easy to qualify for this in-state tuition program in Texas. Only a little over 9,000 people have qualified in any given year since it was first instituted in 2001, and that’s only about .8 of 1% of the Texas College Population each year, so this isn’t an “expensive” program for the State.

        Very few applicants have ONLY “3 years” residency, as it targets a group who (while not born in Texas) have lived here most of their lives.

        The problem is not a new one in our State, where you really can’t tell the ethnicity of people by their last name. Texas residents come from all over the globe and it’s not uncommon for so-called “white” people to have a Spanish surname or so-called “Mexicans” to have a “German” or even “Russian” surname. Many have no idea where their name came from.

        Along our border with Mexico it can be difficult to discover where, in fact, a person was even born. Many people, born in Mexico have parents and/or “Grandparents” who were born in Texas, so what is their Nationality, really? Aren’t they “Birthright Americans” (though not Natural Born) under our current definition, even though they were born outside the US? Remember that the “Rio Grande” was not an International Border not so very long ago when Texas was a Republic, so what about all the people born and raised in the “Nueces Strip” during those years? That land was disputed territory. Some became very famous Texas Rangers, and their surnames (like Lichtenberger) certainly aren’t Spanish, so what are they? I personally know a number of people who have homes on BOTH sides of the border, and have had for generations. How do we determine their nationality? Just a few generations back “birth records” weren’t nearly as well-kept or detailed as they are now. My own maternal Grandfather (born in the 1890′s) never had one, and his actual birth date and place of birth had to be certified by a young “Black” woman (little more than a child at the time) who was helping his Mother (she was a family friend, not a servant) with household work when he was born.

        As you can see, there’s a real problem along the Texas-Mexico border, and the old Nueces Strip was wide. Many who fought here for Texas Independence (a few famously), later went back to Mexico and some families moved back and forth for generations. What do we call these people?

        Down here in Texas we just call them “neighbors” and we don’t discriminate against their children and/or grandchildren…

        Texas Oathkeeper

        • eddie47d

          Thanks papa for some honest feedback instead of the usual hysterics in labeling “Mexicans”.My wife’s great grandparents were born in Colorado in mid- 1850′s and their parents were born in Mexico.It’s taken all kinds of folks to build America including hundreds of early Spanish pioneers.This process has been going on for 500 years and although I think immigration should slow down from all countries and all cultures it’s not as black and white as some try and make it.

      • texastwin827

        I live in the Austin area and this was discussed on one of our stations, just yesterday.

        Fact: about 16,000 illegal students enrolled in “higher education” however, only about 4,100 of those were in a full 4 yr college…because they can’t afford the in-state tuition. The majority are enrolled in our Jr or Community Colleges or a Tech school. If you think really hard on what the actual goal is…it’s to allow these kids to go to work, IF the US ever passes the Dream Act, thereby reducing the number of jobs available to US citizens.

        Until Congress passes an amnesty (aka the Dream Act), these kids will (like their illegal parents), either work anywhere that will hire them and get paid under the table (at lower wages) or use fake ID’s (or someone else’s ID) to work because they still can’t legally work in this country.

        I have never voted for Rick Perry (or a Dem) for Gov and sure won’t vote for him as President. If Ron Paul isn’t the candidate, I will write his name in, if for no other reason than to send a message to Washington.

        • Stranrar

          If Ron Paul HATES Government so much, why has he spent the last 30+ years working in it? He is part of the GOVERNMENT that has voted to destroy his country/..checkout his voting record for the past 30 years!!

          • DaveH

            Apparently, Stranrar, you need to check Ron Paul’s record. They call him Dr. No in Congress for a reason. He consistently votes against Unconstitutional bills no matter how much pressure the Big-Government-advocates (the vast majority of Congress) put on him.
            It seems odd to me that you would make such a wrong-headed comment unless it’s part of a general propaganda smear against Ron Paul. That might work on ignorant readers, but if you want those you’ll need to go to a site like dailykos or huffpo where there are more of them to influence.

          • Jerry

            So He Hates Himself and His Own Actions is what your saying ?

      • Dwight

        .Why should I pay the ILLEGAL ALIENS to go to school ? When we can’t even pay for our own ? How much does it cost for them to go to school ? That’s money that we will NEVER see back ! It doesn’t matter that they are ” working to be a citizen ” , they are still an ILLEGAL ALIEN ! They have no right to be here . Then you wonder why this country is BROKE !

    • djdrew103

      I can’t believe just how ignorant people can be on the issues. Social Security isn’t a truthful part of the national debt and shouldn’t be dealt with as such. It was a purely self supporting program until Congress voted it in as being legal to borrow from. It was never a Ponzi scheme and is only defined as such by people that like to complain and whine, not take a firm grip on the reigns and guide our country into some form of a viable government policy. A Ponzi scheme is based on surviving by collecting monies from investors to pay previous investors back their monies. A true Ponzi scheme fails because eventually, you run out of contributors and previous participants aren’t paid. Social Security is NOT a true Ponzi scheme in that you will never run out of contributors as long as the program is in action. The original Social Security plan and policy was a viable program, in that you would have to kill all the Americans in America to stop the revenues from coming in, or like now, preach false information of a day of doom for Social Security failing. If the government had left the Trust Funds alone, it would have remained productive and self supportive. Then yes, it turned into a Ponzi scheme, where the government could borrow from it, bringing it into law that Social Security Trust Funds be used to buy only government bonds. God forbid that those politicians originally in power, could leave THAT MUCH MONEY LAYING AROUND! Now though, the American taxpayer is responsible for buying those bonds back. They now try to get you to believe that Social Security will be bankrupt by yadda yadda year. That’s just their attempt and a successful one, to misdirect and misinform the American public from their original sins in passing into law the requirement that Social Security and Medicare MUST sell their souls to the devil by buying government bonds!

      It would not have been in danger of collapse if those Trust Funds were left alone and allowed to be used to buy secure investments at a current to the day interest profit and put to good use. The only reason they insisted on those funds being used for purchasing government bonds was that they were supposed to be a secure investment, guaranteed to be paid back by your government, using YOUR tax dollars (a double taxation if I ever saw one) and THAT was the true Ponzi scheme put into effect. This was all originally done to insure that the government could have access to trillions of dollars from the Medicare and Social Security Trust Funds which were what proved the programs’ real success, without having to vote in permissions to increase the budget. WE can see where that got us.

      The problem with Perry claiming that it is a Ponzi scheme? He doesn’t care what he has to say to get elected as many others do in a failed political system. By God, there is no way that the government whether in the name of the Republican engine or the Democrats, is ever going to admit that the actual “scheme” involved was what they were doing with those funds in the first place and how they deceitfully and with malice, slid the legislation by the American people where it could be abused! Want to complain? Vote for someone that wants to repeal the government bond purchasing legislation, and then Social Security will start to gain pluses again! Don’t abolish Medicare nor Social Security! That’s the dreams of idiots who aren’t wise enough to realize the necessity of those programs for Americans today. Reform the programs, sure, reform them so that the abuses are exposed, so that the schemes are exposed, so that the involvement of the pharmaceutics industry, and the lies from medical and health associations and their involvement to abuse the system to build their industries’ profits are exposed. Those are the schemes and the true parasites of the system!

      Reform the policies not the people, such as policies allowing females who don’t want to work but rather would just sit lazily around after failed marriages with six kids in tow, to receive SSD under the guise of “chronic anxiety attacks” for renaming piss-poor attitudes just being “fed up” with raising their kids. Reform the welfare system so that it is not abused! But to abolish such programs, those who insist that is what needs to be done, shows you your true enemies of doing what is good for our nation’s best interest, as no civilization that ignores its poverty level populace survives.

      Then we keep hearing that the people think Ron Paul would make a difference. He has made little difference while belonging to the “Party of No” in the last two centuries he has been in office. smiles. Republicans ignore him because he is way, way, way out there on the wing of the “Party of No’s” agendas. Vote him into the presidency and you will merely see Repugs fighting Repubs instead of just Democrats, and we will see nothing more than the presently ongoing struggles of 3 years of legislative strangleholds and stalemates for the norm again. Some of his policies ring true for what America needed or needs in the future, but to implement them now would be a travesty to the American People in such economic times. Sometimes, he seems just totally locked into biblical times, with ideas that range from imposing ideas that would demand totally annihilating current progress.

      But to defend Perry as this columnist reports, not even reading the man’s book, shows the deceit in the words as he casts his opinions around to help mislead Americans. Read the book first you idiot, then tell us what you think (as if that would make a difference in an already biased and blind attitude anyways)!

      Perry for President? He has pitched his political campaign for no new taxes, yet his record shows just the opposite. Perry has embraced billions of dollars worth of tax increases and new taxes — including a $528 million tax hike approved in 1990. The biggest tax increases came early in his career, as when he signed into law an online sales tax measure the state says will raise $60 million over the next five years. Perry opposed it as a stand-alone measure, and this summer it got tucked into a must-pass bill during a legislative session that otherwise saw deep budget cuts. That will be the same tactics he will use in the future if elected, to deceitfully govern you Party of No supporters, so don’t say you weren’t forewarned.

      But as a truer American, I will admit to the sense maybe of looking at the party promise of “?????/Ron Paul” with objectivity as I am neither a Democrat nor a Republican, (and personally feel having Parties” in legislative and executive branches is too much like Communism), as some of his ideas are right on track, but they scare the Republican Engine.

      Perry consistently voiced claims to prohibit a state income tax. But during his six years in the Legislature, he voted more than a dozen times to allow higher taxes or to raise them. He repeatedly voted to raise the sales tax, which went up to 6.25 percent from 4.125 percent, records show. Taxes on motorists, corporations and liquor also rose during those years, with Perry’s blessing.

      So go ahead and promote this flip-flopper, flip-floppier than most that come to the attention of truer Americans who care, rather than mere supporters of the “Party of No”!

      • Rachel Contreras

        I totally agree with you!!!!!

      • texastwin827

        Actually, while it was never intended to be (and I draw my SS ck) it has been turned into one by our Congress. They have added so many people, that those who work now support those who either put little in or never put anything in. As an example…SSI which is nothing more than Federal welfare.

      • Elevenarrows

        Wow! Djdrew103! You really held nothing back, did you? I agree with some of what you had to say…although, it was long-winded. I disagree with your view that Dr. Paul’s policies would be harmful to America right now. You appear to be part of America’s problem, in that, so many people refuse to stand on principles. If I understood you correctly, we should not vote for someone that insists that we adhere to our Constitution (still the law of our land despite those who ignore it)because it might not be convenient. What America needs is principled leadership that won’t flinch in the face of difficulty. Those of us who have closely followed Dr. Paul’s voting record are thankful that he may have only been one, brave voice shouting the warnings, but at least HE shouted. Most politicians don’t have the character to tell the American people the truth. Dr. Paul does and consistently has. What a shame most Americans are too cowardly to stand with him rather than throw sticks and stones.

      • Papa

        The “Sales Tax” in Texas gradually rose from “2%” in 1961 when it was instituted, to 6.25% in 1990. It hasn’t gone up since. Rick Perry was hardly a “force” in Texas Politics during those years so calling any such tax increase part of “HIS” legacy is nothing less than pure “BS!” The sales tax is a CONSUMPTION TAX and the most FAIR way to raise money to operate government, which of course, must be funded somehow. Food, water, medicine, etc., are not subject to sales tax in Texas. There is no State Property Tax or Income Tax.

        Perry was a Democrat until 1989, when he switched parties. So was almost everyone else in Texas so, what does that actually mean? The truth is, it’s meaningless because he was simply “normal” (that means average) in our State. From 1882 until 1972 Texas NEVER voted for a Republican Presidential candidate! Our own “Lyndon Baines Johnson” broke Texans of that bad habit, but it wasn’t until the “1990′s” that Republicans finally started to become a force in Texas and in 1998 they took control of ALL statewide elected offices. That control has not since been relinquished.

        The Texas Legislature (not our Governor) is the senior (most powerful) branch of Texas Government. Among individuals, our Lt. Governor has more “Power” than our Governor. The job of Governor in Texas is an administrative position, not really a leadership position and he sets no agenda. Our Lt. Governor does that from his position as head of the Senate or no one does.

        Rick Perry has been a good “Administrator” for Texas Government. So was George W. Bush. Both carried out the “DIRECTIVES” laid out by our State Legislature. That’s their job, and their only REAL job…

        • djdrew103

          First off, without trying to be brash or curt (I appreciate your voice on some issues though) I ignore weaker comments about long-windedness of any person’s responses. There is a lot to be said and short one, two or three liners are merely a waste of time in my book, to make a point and ask people to consider objective viewpoints. I also notice that there are usually NO reprisals to someone being long-winded if it supports the “Party of No” politics and policies. That’s a mere fact. But at least you’re observant, no insult intended. Even Bob claimed I was long winded, so at least I have a certain respect in that area, especially from folks that honor being able to blow the wind at leisure…smiling…(only jokingly pestering folks)

          It’s like the new post about Ron Paul’s pleas for more money. In the video, when asked about how the crowd “seemingly claimed to be” interrupting him (he just refused to answer actually) and didn’t allow him to talk when questioned about whether a person should be allowed to die by policy decision merely because they didn’t have any health coverage, he stalled outright. They played that well, and made their excuse/reason that he was interrupted and people “shouldn’t talk like that”. However, if you notice, he never really answered the question either, even in the video. So we know what his viewpoint is on the matter and issue.

          Another point, it is far too obvious that he is not going to make a strong hope for the goal of receiving a nomination in my opinion. Note that I admit he has many and numerous qualities and admirable virtues that our government needs and can put to fruitful use. Yet he asks for more money to campaign with even though it is a lost cause, and mark my words, it will remain so, or any slow person later will claim it was only and primarily because no one supported him of course. He just doesn’t make a strong candidate though I agree with many of his viewpoints and hope him success in many ways.

          He would be heavy ammunition and serve a greater purpose in a different more direct role other than politics if put into office helping control financial waste in our country by the government, (I think personally that Obama should use him as soon as he fails in the election campaign and put him into direct use). ABC reports on the abuse of the Transportation department sending their Party of twelve members as officials all over the world for a $5 million party of air officials or under the guise of selecting options for billboard signs or looking at different concrete for roadways. Not one of them is a technical engineer that could decipher the bad versus the neither good, nor advertising pros that could tell the difference of whatever they were deciding supposedly on billboards in other countries for a respective viewpoint just to make a report. Their purpose was to merely draft and publish a small report that wasn’t viewed for productive analysis or positive means. It’s merely a 5 million dollar party for their last “vacation spending spree” and damn wasteful in a time of economic and deficit struggles. Hell, they were off on another trip when the story was published, doing the same thing. Watch the ABC video on HULU.

          Ron Paul would make a fine officer of that control department of various venues of our government, controlling wastefulness in all avenues of politics.

          Yet you claim falsely in my opinion, that a governor or a President has the job of “following” where legislature leads. That just is not true! They are the only mediators between us as citizens and the very people that create the monetary funds for government to run in the first place, and the legislative branches that so many times ignore the public’s demands for better government. Claiming that it is their job to be subservient followers to the wills of political engines is just an empty claim, sorry buts that’s my open opinion.

          Their job is NOT to follow the tide as it turns into a harmful storm. Perry cast his vote and signed that legislation into action without strong resistance and battles. The fact that he signed the bill into action and passed it as a momentary fix when mere months later it slid in as a permanent tax law is a sign of weakness, and his turning tail and changing his viewpoints to direct opposites of what he wrote outright in his book is deceitful, and is a real sign of instability and a positive proof that we should not put our faith in him.

          At least Obama has the nerve to stand strong for his Principals, whether it pisses people off or not. So saying that Perry had no fault as a leader is like saying NO ONE is at fault when things go wrong. That’s the case with Politics. That’s exactly what Solyndra is doing under scrutiny; no one was at fault, especially me! Someone on their executive board signed their decision to pass putting the public tax payers in as subordinates. Yet no one will offer to say who it was! Now they think that they can take the 5th? I believe that when you answer testimony questions, and begin your defense, you can’t change your position and all-of-the-sudden claim the 5th as an excuse to not having to answer the true questions leading to true answers, just to avoid and escape detection. I believe if not mistaken that such is the case in courts across our nation in the halls of justice. You either claim the 5th from the start or you are liable to answer under weight of contempt.

          I wonder what would happen if politicians were held by the same rule of court, and if you refused to answer questions directly outright, you can be held in contempt, and spend a few months in jail unless you answered the questions, whether you lied or not. There’s a good one, if you lied, let’s have you liable under the penal code for perjury. That would make a far more interesting campaign hype scenario. We’d have soap opera time-lines, mixed with “Law and Order” repercussions. I damn sure bet it would draw far more “hype parasites” for an overall wildfire of national ratings. What’cha figure eh?

          Longwinded yes, yet I wonder what replies will return in other’s opinions naturally, opposing or not. Longwinded doesn’t necessarily mean “full of wind” and thanks for acknowledging some of the viewpoints I represented were worthy. I am always worried about not being objective, as I said I am neither Democrat, Liberal, Republican nor Conservative. I am afraid of ever becoming someone too weak to change their opinion once presented the truth. Such ignorant stubbornness has infected our nation as a whole and is the major contributing factor of strangleholds and stalemates making our current legislative system impudent.

          I believe last time I checked my dossier though,

          I was and still am…

          an American.

          It’s like the new post about Ron Paul’s pleas for more money. IN the video, when asked about how the crowd interrupted him and didn’t allow him to talk when questioned about whether a person should be allowed to die by policy decision merely because they didn’t have nay health coverage. They played that well, and made their excuse/reason that he was interrupted and people “shouldn’t talk like that”. However, if you notice, he never really answered the question either. Another point, it is far too obvious that he is not going to make a strong hope for the goal of making a nomination. Yet he asks for more money top campaign with. It a lost cause, and mark my words, it will remain so, or any slow witted person later will claim it was because no one supported him. He just doesn’t make a strong candidate though I agree with many of his viewpoints. He would be heavy ammunition and serve a great purpose in a lesser role and put into office helping control financial waste in our country by the government, just as ABC reports on the abuse of the Transportation department sending their officials all over the world for a party under the guise of selecting options for billboard signs or looking at different concrete for roadways. Not one of them is a technical engineer that could decipher the bad versus the good, nor advertising pros that could tell the difference. Its merely a 5 million dollar party for their last “vacation spending spree”. Ron Paul would make a fine officer of that control department of various venues of our government, controlling wastefulness in all avenues of politics.

          Their job is NOT to follow the tide as it turns into a harmful storm. Perry cast his vote and signed that legislation into action without strong resistance and battles. The fact that he signed the bill into action and passed it as a momentary fix when mere months later it slid in as a permanent tax is a sign of weakness, and his turning tail and changing his viewpoints to direct opposites of what he wrote outright in his book is deceitful, and is a real sign of instability and a positive proof that we should not put our faith in him. At least Obama has the nerve to stand strong for his Principals, whether it pisses people off or not. So saying that Perry had no fault as a leader is like saying NO ONE is at fault when things go wrong. That’s the case with Politics. That’s exactly what Solyndra is doing under scrutiny, no one was at fault, especially me! Someone on their executive board signed their decision to pass putting the public tax payers in as subordinates. Yet no one will offer to say who it was! Now they think that they can take the 5th? I believe that when you answer testimony questions, and begin your defense, you can’t change your position and all of the sudden claim the 5th as an excuse to not having to answer the true questions leading to a true answers, just to avoid and escape detection.

          I wonder what would happen if politicians were held by the same rule of court, and if you refused to answer questions directly outright, you can be held in contempt, and spend a few months in jail unless you answered the questions, whether you lied or not. There’s a good one, if you lied, lets have you prosecuted for perjury. That would make a far more interesting campaign hype scenario. We’d have soap opera time-lines, mixed with “Law and Order” repercussions. I damn sure bet it would draw far more “hype parasites” for an overall national viewing ratings wildfire. What’cha figure eh?

          • djdrew103

            Yeah, you have good grounds and a chance for long-winded claims. Sorry for the double copy in my post, it made it that much longer and futile.

          • DadOnine

            What planet are you on? “At least Obama has the nerve to stand strong for his Principals, whether it pisses people off or not. ” This is an outright lie!

    • Robert Hauser

      Frankly I don’t believe that Perry, any more than any other of the talking faces on the ends of sticks that we have been cursed with in the White brothel, could lead a two car funeral…..he had a golden opportunity to fire a shot heard round the world when the Texas State legislature passed a bill telling TSA to take a flying screw at a rolling bagel ….but he wimped out. That alone makes him totally unfit to be anywhere within rifle range of the Offal Office. The guy’s proven himself to be nothing more than a narcissistic, self serving piss ant just like that mechanical talking jive-ass monkey with his face grafted to a teleprompter we’ve got there now. Jesus, Joseph and Mary, when is this country going to get its god damned head out of rectal defilade and wake the Hell up…..

    • joe B

      All politics today are scams they promise the world to the people and once elected there hands go into your pocket,They could care less about the people only what benits them there party ,special interest groups ,lobbist and big corporations all who give big money to there campaigns .Anyone who would be fare and just does not have the funds or backing to be elected.It is no longer an American dream if you don’t have the funds to buy it.Washington has been skimming funds from Social Security withouy repayment for years thats were the money went it was used for pet projects and personal gain and know they want to stab the American working class in the back cut there benifits .Who cares that they made America gave there all and those who would take get all the gains.Ba Hum Bug let them die and deolete the surplus poulation is there idea and once all those who work for a living are gone who will do the work the rich and famous sure thing111111111111111111111111111

    • Uzitiger

      Perry is a progressive and his actions as governor prove it.

  • DaveH

    Chip asks “Do you think it’s possible the folks in Washington are out of touch with mainstream America?”.
    Most certainly they are. Here’s some proof:

    • bob wire

      The “proof” is all around us Dave.

      For McCain to come out of the hole with a campaign slogan “Country First” thinking that it might have electable appeal to a nation of people that has seen their “discretionary spending” dry up, spendable income become less and less as more and more is demanded, quality of living in sharp decline, young men and women’s narrowing career opportunities seeing military service as viable option to feeding and insuring their families. Sky rocketing unemployment,saving and pension funds becoming fair game and under attack. While little news of gains on any front or military victories?

      The American people have fought these fights while Wall Street Bankers and Capital Hill had seem oblivious to they struggle. It’s been Business as usual! It’s Partisan Politics, the fight to decide who drives the bus and who get to set up front dominated the first order of business EVERYDAY.

      Yes! Americans have been fed up for many, many years and DC has only recently got the message. ~ Sadly,~ they are so entrenched in the way Capital Hill conducts business any changes has been slow. Too slow.

      But, things are beginning to change, all hope is not lost.

      • eddie47d

        One thing that the author mentioned that we have heard over and over again during each and every election cycle is one party spending all their loot on defeating the other party. DUH, tell us something new. All the Republican money will go to smear the Democrats,support the military industrial complex(as always),support their cronies in the industrial world so their CEOs can thrive.Then he suggests that the Republicans will play nice. When was the last time that happened?

    • BigBadJohn

      LOL Mainstream America itself is out of touch!

      I know a lot of people who are retired and complain all the time about how the government spends way too much money..
      But they better leave my Social Security and Medicare alone!!!!

      • texastwin827

        Big Bad John, that’s because they worked and paid into the system their entire lives. Had they not had to make those MANDATORY payments, even a savings account on the same money, would have paid them interest. Over a 40-50 yr work career, you would be surprised at how much money that could have accumulated if they hadn’t been forced to contribute to a Trust that Congress has raided because they couldn’t stand to see money that wasn’t being spent.

        • BigBadJohn

          I understand and agree. Back in the 80′s I said I would give up whatever I had contributed to SS up to that point if they would just let me opt out.
          thirty years of seven percent of my paycheck and I would have a pretty nice little nest egg.

          Unfortunately we have an entitlement society and everyone wants to cut spending as long as it does not affect THEMSELVES. To balance the budget everyone is going to have to suffer equally, including the ultra-rich and the MIC.

          • eddie47d

            Not every American has enough money to invest any where. Not now and not back in the good old days. Taking away SS would just make them poorer in their retirement years or relying on handout from other government agencies. Folks who collect SS who do have extra money do and should invest which makes their lives even better if they do it right. How about the best of both worlds instead of strictly depending on the ups and downs of the stock market.

          • djdrew103

            Its nice to be able to dream that way, but its not factual or realistic. If you were to work simply from your 20th birthday and were lucky enough to have a %50k a year job, and paid in 7% till you were 65 years old, you would accumulate $157,600. Simple Simon says, if you were to live only 10 years, you would have to survive on a mere $1,312 per month.

            Social security will pay you that and you automatically receive Medicare, Medicaid depending on your status.

            Yes you could invest that money if you were to take a chance in that direction, or you could merely accept the interest paid on that progressive amount. Now that is far more luxurious a concept I have no doubt.

            But then where is your income and retirement if you fall prey to situations just like we experienced, where people across the nation lost their whole life savings on the financial collapse, or just the trends of the market as it gives and takes. Nothing, not even gold or oil is stable and insured. What happens to the elderly, yes you will be elderly someday, when that plan falls through and they still need public assistance and medical health care?

            Let the churches take care of them, as if their obligation is greater than the government’s? Let them starve, be homeless and destitute, or die in the hospital because misfortune or bad planning failed them and they have no health care? It all works out in the long run? Only survivors matter?

            That’s the main question. How much responsibility does the government actually have towards its people? It has initiated programs to deal with the problems, successful programs, but they have been abused all the way from the legislative branches to the people deceitfully using the system against itself.

            Social security stands for an insurance to having “something” in the bank for retirement, whether you succeed by chance or venture, or not. For the common person, Social security is the most viable solution and don’t forget, if the government didn’t leech the money out legally, we would have a secure system, baby boomers or not. Its the most secure option for far more and many who work their life away, than those who might succeed at investments. Am I forgetting to recognize some issues?

            Social Security isn’t a means for someone to consider only themselves. It is a program that institutes the ideal that as Americans, we are responsible for more than just our own selfish needs or honest requirements. It details the fact that we as a people have more foresight and responsibility than other nations that allow droughts, food shortages and economic turmoil to starve thousands if not thousands upon thousands to death.

            Google or Wiki the dust bowl days.

          • DaveH

            You’re leaving something out there, djdrew103. That is the earnings on that amount from a simple safe CD. Sure, right now the Federal Reserve is keeping interest rates artificially low, but that’s another subject. If your example man earned just a measly 3% per year on his savings and was paying in that same amount each year ($3500) for 45 years, his accumulated savings would have been $334,255. He would then be able to withdraw over $20000 (remember he’s getting 3% per year on his principal) a year for 20 years before his account was depleted.

            a %50k a year job, and paid in 7%

          • DaveH

            No John, we don’t have to suffer equally. Are you one of those people who would go along with a teacher who holds the whole class of kids after school because one unknown kid did something bad?
            That collective mentality just doesn’t cut it with me.
            There are many programs they could cut and many assets they could sell before they resort to the draconian measure of screwing those who were forced to pay into that Ponzi scheme called Social Security.
            But the Leaders are happy that people like you support letting them keep their ill-gotten gains.

          • eddie47d

            Dave relies too much on IF’s. He assumes everyone will have enough money to voluntarily save enough for retirement.People who do save on their own quite often dip into thier retirement funds to repair cars that break down or college costs. Those little things in life that disrupt the flow of the way you want things to be. SS is untouchable to that retiree and it will be there more so than their own saving plans. That makes SS a better guarantee and better than the ponzi schemes of Wall Street. Even though you can SOMETIMES make more money off of Wall Street it is still a gamble.

          • DaveH

            Eddie assumes everybody is as ignorant as he is, so can’t take care of themselves. If they aren’t and can do better than the Government’s Ponzi scheme, too bad. It’s Eddie’s way or the highway.

            Dave relies too much on IF’s. He assumes everyone will have enough money to voluntarily save enough for retirement.People who do save on their own quite often dip into thier retirement funds to repair cars that break down or college costs. Those little things in life that disrupt the flow of the way you want things to be. SS is untouchable to that retiree and it will be there more so than their own saving plans. That makes SS a better guarantee and better than the ponzi schemes of Wall Street. Even though you can SOMETIMES make more money off of Wall Street it is still a gamble.

          • DaveH

            Don’t you just love how these ignorant Liberals assume that you are as ignorant as they? And they use that assumption to help themselves to your money “for your own good”, and then proceed to waste that money that they took, so that you are then dependent on that same Government taking money from future generations who may never see a dime of what was taken from them?
            Oh, but Eddie, the guy who couldn’t make it on his own so had to join a Union to forcibly extract money from his company (talk about looking a gift horse in the mouth), knows how to take care of you?
            What a joke.

        • DaveH

          For instance, if a person put $5000/year in savings at a measly 4% per annum, over a 40 year period that person would have accumulated about $500,000. At that point, he/she would be getting $20,000 a year just on interest, or about $1666 a month which is about what they’d get from SS without even having to touch the principal which could then go to their heirs after death instead of being lost to Government.

      • Orley

        Big Bad, I can see how you got your name. I have paid into the SS system for close to sixty years. And to personal greed like the rest, If I could have, I probably would have opted out so I would have had that money to spend here and now. But fortunately I had to pay into it. Now I am thankful for my personal savings has been swallowed up by our Piggish, Selfish, arrogant President. Then I would have nothing. Also some of the younger selfish people that want us to pay for their health cane because they want the easy way out with out paying into it is crazy. Many don’t know it but I have to pay into medicare every month whether I wanted to or not. Be sides we haven’t gotten a raise in about three years. I think the welfare people has done better than that.
        On the other had four more years of Obvaber in office and there will be no one left to pay into anything. We must pray for a leader that isn’t so lavish and selfish. Obomer the Great is bent on destroying this country. So we will be equal to the country his brother lives in. I guess a tinny shack and one meal a day is good enough for anyone except for the Great Leader.
        Go ahead and vote for him and see what happens. I don’t have much time on this corrupt evil influenced world anyway.

  • Rebecca

    how about passing laws in TX that violates everyone’s Constitutional right against unreasonable search and seizure without a warrant ?? Yep.. read the last couple of laws that says that animal control and the police can come into YOUR HOME without being invited, without a warrant and search and seize without a warrant.

    STOP THIS MAN NOW !!! He’s an advocate of Peta and HSUS who are out to steal your money, and put an end to all (not some) domestic pets in our lives. Read the small print. Heck, read the LARGE PRINT… mandatory spay and neutering laws of all dogs and cats… Where will that leave us in just ONE GENERATION ??? That’s about 12 years of the average dog and maybe 15 for cats. Their is motto… total elimination in one generation. The end. no more. no option. Good bye to Fluffy and Muffy sitting next to you watching TV, keeping your feet warm at night. Is that what you want ???

    Thank you VERY MUCH Mr. PERRY !!! NO THANK YOU !!!

    • Karolyn

      Rebecca – Maybe you live in a place where most of the pet owners are responsible. Well, it ain’t here in the south! People drop puppies off in the woods at the side of the road and keep letting their dogs breed. Our shelter is constantly overloaded with the results of cruelty. You are way off base! When I lived in NJ, we had spay/neuter laws. If you didn’t spay or neuter, you paid a higher license fee. Big deal! We didn’t have stray dogs all over the place! We didn’t have dogs being killed on the highways! Control is for the welfare of the animals. Are you living in a cave?

      • DaveH

        Maybe you live in a place where most of the Liberals are responsible. Well, it ain’t so in the rest of the country! People keep letting Liberals breed. Our country is constantly overloaded with the results of their theft and controlling behavior. You are way off base! We used to have laws to prevent Liberals from running amok! We still do, but now they are still all over the place! We need laws to spay/neuter Liberals so they can’t over-breed, impoverish our nation, and cause starvation everywhere . Are you living in a cave?

        • eddie47d

          David tries to be the great annihilator of Liberals or anyone else who doesn’t agree with him.Speaking of dogs you are one sick puppy!

          • crystal

            What you said to Dave was unnecessary. Be kind!

          • eddie47d

            No what Dave said to Karolyn was unnecessary. Thank You

          • DaveH

            I was merely paraphrasing Karolyn, Eddie, you Liberal troll.

          • Karolyn

            Dave – So what would you do? Have no laws? Leave it to all animal owners to police themselves? HAHAHAHAHAH! What a joke! Are you really serious that you think that spay and neuter laws are wrong? Now you’re going over the top. I guess that’s an area you have no interest in, otherwise you would see the ridiculousness in your view. Should we just shoot all abandoned animals?

          • bob wire

            a little over the top there Davey. That sound like something i41 might say. A liberal is not a species but an individual with a predisposition to assimilate thought with less value placed on ownership then others might.

            Years ago I hired this young Mexican boy to help me move and get settled down Austin way. He tickled me with some of his comments as the days followed.

            “So much STUFF for just one man!” was one of my favorites.

            Seeing that I had many of everything, he says, “I have none and you has many, this is not fair. You should give me one.” I got a big laugh at of that one too. I told him that perhaps we could work something out.

            Now this was simply a Mexican boy child that have never been around wealth, never seeing such abundance before or comprehend it truly was the property of just one gringo.

            It was not a political statement but a child’s statement in complete awe by what he seen.

            But we could accept as a political statement to describe a liberal if you wish. And I know that you would like to do.

          • DaveH

            Should we just shoot all helpless Liberals, Karolyn?
            We all are going to die someday, Karolyn. Is that any excuse to control people? All I’m asking, Karolyn, is that you butt out of my life choices with your know-it-all rules.

          • DaveH

            The epitome of a Liberal. They’re too ignorant to take care of themselves without taking from those who do, but they think they know what’s best for the rest of us.

        • JeffH

          DaveH, ah yes, nothing like the sound of a fruit fly buzzing…

        • Mary

          Yeah, and sometimes I put scraps out behind the back fence for the stray animals because they are allowed to roam and be starved. Most people here in the Rio Grande Valley of Texas are responsible pet owners and take good care of their animals. But, we have to have laws like that for the few who are not.

          • DaveH

            There is always an excuse for ever-increasing Government. And as usual the responsible people pay the price for the irresponsible people.

          • Karolyn

            Dave – And so it is! Get over it!

          • DaveH

            Are you trying to achieve troll status, Karolyn?

        • S.C. Murf

          Very good DaveH, makes me laugh. Now just to scratch his head over that comment fast eddie will have to make that popping sound so as he can get to his skull.

          up the hill

          • DaveH

            When Eddie scratches his head it makes that hollow sound like scratching an empty barrel.

          • eddie47d

            You weren’t paraphrasing Karolyn Dave you were mocking her and Liberals as per your normal usual. You didn’t even comment on her comment but just got mean and ugly.

        • Bud Tugly

          The vituperous bile you write is what give conservative a bad name. The beauty and greatness of our wonderful country is that it represents an amalgam of a wide range of opinions of people who love America in their own way and find wayys to work toward a common good.

          Leave intolerance to the Taliban.

          • BigBadJohn

            Best reply – good job
            What does Dave have in common with the Taliban? EXTREME conservatism.

          • DaveH

            Both of you are too ignorant to see that I was just responding in kind to two Liberal trolls. If you want respect, then give it.

          • DaveH

            Hate to break it to you, Bud, but you Liberals are the ones forcing your ways on others. The Taliban have nothing on you.

          • Bud Tugly

            Dave H-

            You really are ignorant, aren’t you. Who said I was a liberal. I am a thoughtful conservative that is embarrassed by the narrow minded like of you. Pull your head out of your colon.

          • DaveH

            Then why are you attacking me, when I was just treating them disrespectfully as they were treating me or others?
            Whatever the case, you are obviously a hypocrite as evidenced by your vitriol.

          • DaveH

            And, Bud, if you are a “conservative” (which I doubt) then you are an embarrassment to thoughtful conservatives.

          • DaveH
        • Void1972

          The democrats pay the liberals to “breed”. This is why our Social Security is empty. Our sick and demented government bankrupted this great nation to support the creation of sick and demented liberals.
          The djdrew doesn’t speak of this fact because he is a product of this insanity.
          Ignorance breeds ignorance, and djs community is a perfect example of this.
          As I have stated in the past, the “ghetto is a communist government system, and it’s citizens are full fledged communist. This is how the democratic cult has grown since the 60s. If it wasn’t for this scam, the democratic cult would have ended in the 70s.
          Liberalism is truly a mental disorder, and also a social disorder, but it is a well thought out disease that has infected most of the minority community.
          The obama is another perfect example. He is just one more puppet of this sickness, but an educated puppet that was created by these evil trash with extreme evil intent.
          obama is by far the most corrupt, anti-American, communist that has ever been bought and paid by the most evil of elite. These satanist just gave the obama another billion dollars to almost guarantee his re-election. If he is able to bribe enough drug dealers, addicts, prisoners(70% black), to come out and vote, he still will not be close to win, but as last election proved, if these freaks vote 10 times, and this really happened in many states, he will win.
          These communist have been destroying America for the past 50 years, and if Dr Paul is not elected next year, I’m sorry to say that the American experiment will be over.
          God bless America, and those who fight for her!!!!

          • Orley

            He is so conniving he will get re-elected even if he only gets thirty percent of the votes–just wait and see. Remember, he came from Chicago.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Karolyn, so your idea is to punish everybody who owns pets, or sells animals for pets because it is always easier to go after the people who show much responsibility for their animals.
        It is always time consuming and money draining to go after people who don’t clean up the messes they create.

        • Karolyn

          So what do you propose, Nedzieja? No spay or neuter laws and keep the problem GROWING? Licensing and spay/neuter laws have been in existence in NJ for many years, and as a result, you don’t see dead cats and dogs on the roadways; you don’t find puppies and dogs dropped off in the woods; you don’t have packs of dogs running wild killing livestock. Of course, not everyone follows the rules, so there is still an overabundance of cats and dogs everywhere. I dare you to find a shelter that is not stressed with too many animals and not enough funding and help. Have you ever volunteered at a shelter? Have you ever seen a gas chamber and what it looks like after the deed is done? Have you ever picked up a little 8 week old puppy in the woods and cared for it? Do you even have pets? Many breeders are legitimate and don’t need policing. However, there are huge puppy farms where dogs are kept in acres of cages and don’t even know how to walk on the ground when they are rescued. Animal abuse is rampant; and as far as I’m concerned is just as bad as child abuse. Letting females be bred over and over and over for the profit of a cruel dog breeder is inhumane. There are spay and neuter programs all over the country. People who don’t know how to care for their pets shouldn’t even have them.

          I hope this post comes through. There’s nothing like typing up a long post and it doesn’t go through!

          • DaveH

            “People who don’t know how to care for their pets shouldn’t even have them”.
            Another good argument for spaying/neutering Liberals, Karolyn.
            Good Grief, how did we get along 50 years ago without all your Liberal control?
            I would bet that if those unborn animals had a choice, they would choose life. Myself, I choose Freedom from pushy controlling Liberals who, though they can’t even take care of themselves, want to run everybody else’s lives.

          • eddie47d

            Give it a rest Dave you got your idiot machine stuck in overdrive.

          • Old Henry


            You’re on a roll today! LOL!

            Yer gonna have eddie in apoplexy!

          • eddie47d

            Not yet Old Henry but I do believe it is time for Dave to go back into rehab before he has that special problem that you were referring to. LOL

          • Karolyn

            Yeah, Dave’s on a roll alright – backwards! Dave, there were a lot less people AND animals 50 years ago! Yeah, I remember when I was a kid, and we didn’t have to spay, neuter or license. The sheer size of our population makes that totally unworkable.

          • Old Henry


            We need all those animals. At the rate Little Barry is destroying our nation and our economy we may need them for food…

          • http://deleted Claire

            Personally, it will be a cold day in hell before I eat a dog or a cat. Oh yes, I am all for protecting the animals. Animals are at the mercy of human beings. To me, the way a person takes care of their pets speaks volumes. And I don’t give a damn if the person is from the north or the south–same difference if dogs and cats are mistreated. Deer season is nigh and I can hardly wait for my nephew to call me and let me know how many maimed deer are running around–arrows sticking out of them and they die a terrible death. I am not against hunting if food is needed for the table. However, I am against bad shots, and weekend warriors with bows and arrows. If a deer is injured, hunt them down, finish the kill. Or are some hunters too damn lazy to do a bit more walking? It is because of this that I do not allow hunting on my property. My neighbor had a cow that was shot–the cow was brown–perhaps the hunter didn’t know a deer from a cow? My nephew’s house now has 21 deer slugs in it. It is scary to even go outside during deer season.
            Back to dogs and cats–spay and neuter–why subject more puppies and kittens to the cruelties of some human beings.

          • http://deleted Claire

            The last litter of Shorthairs I had was in 2001. I have a puppy contract that I abide by. I sold a female to a teacher here in town that was supposed to be “reputable.” I trusted him. Shame on me. He lied to me about having a fenced-in backyard. I contacted a cop, took the puppy contract that the teacher signed with me, went to his house, gave him his money back and took the little girl. He had her chained up outside. It is cruel to chain a bird dog-any dog for that matter. Callie is 10 years old now and living a good life with me, where she belongs. There is a lot of wackos out there in this world and I always made damn sure none of my dogs “fell” into the wrong hands. I will not not breed another litter of puppies. They are too precious to bring into a cruel world.

          • http://deleted Claire

            DaveH– As much as I respect you and your comments, I will have to disagree with you on this–spay and neuter is not “liberal” control. It is common sense and for the welfare of all cats and dogs.

          • DaveH

            So then Claire, it’s not a big stretch at all to spay/neuter Liberals, is it? You have no problem forcing people to do it to their animals, so why should you have a problem with forcing Liberals to undergo it, since they can’t seem to take care of themselves?

          • http://deleted Claire

            DaveH–My comment refers to dogs and cats, not people. But if you insist, go ahead and spay Liberals but don’t forget to include the so-called Republican (RINOs, and the conservatives that “profess” to be such.

          • DaveH

            So many of you claim to care for animals. Yet I get attacked for not wanting to see people forced to maim their animals. What is wrong with this picture?

          • DaveH

            Liberals are for Big Government. Conservatives are for Small Government. There are Liberal Republicans (a lot these days), as well as Liberal Democrats.

          • http://deleted Claire

            DaveH– I agree.

          • Void1972

            Karolyn stated;
            “So what do you propose, Nedzieja? No spay or neuter laws and keep the problem GROWING? Licensing and spay/neuter laws have been in existence in NJ for many years, and as a result, you don’t see dead cats and dogs on the roadways; you don’t find puppies and dogs dropped off in the woods; you don’t have packs of dogs running wild killing livestock. Of course, not everyone follows the rules, so there is still an overabundance of cats and dogs everywhere. I dare you to find a shelter that is not stressed with too many animals and not enough funding and help”.
            This is where daveH has a great point on neutering liberals, because as you have stated above, if we sterilized the liberal we wouldn’t see liberals shooting themselves and innocent American’s in the streets, babies dropped off in the woods and garbage bins, packs of wild liberals running wild and killing white American’s. I dare you to find a food shelter that is not stressed with too many animals, or liberals I should say, and the funding is totally out of control and doesn’t help, because it is never enough.
            Thank you Karolyn for proving a good point and making it clear that like animals, the liberal needs a program of neutering to clean up the streets of America, as the neutering of animals have cleaned up the streets of NJ!
            God bless America, and those who fight for her!!!!

      • DaveH

        Coming soon to a school near you:

        Karolyn will argue that she doesn’t advocate that particular Liberal cause. Different Liberal cause, same controlling behavior.

        • Karolyn

          So, Dave, you have no problem with people overbreeding and cruelty to animals? So just let all a–holes do whatever they want with their animals until we are totally overrun with them! It very well could happen except for the millions of people who really do care about animal welfare. I guess you just don’t care either, like Nadzieja.

          • S.C. Murf

            What about over breading and cruelty to children Karolyn? Are you for the same control for those parents or do you believe in abortion?

            up the hill

          • Push comes to Shove

            If you really cared about animals you would have left them as nature made them, with the ability to breed. And, don’t give me this sh*t about most people in the south……blah, blah, blah. Apparently you are either from up north or have a northern mind set, because that is how MOST of them think of us as backwoods stupid idiots who care only for the hear and now. The truth is we southerners are the ones who are showing we care by telling liberals like yourself to but out of our life and go live yours without my interference.

          • Karolyn

            Push – Yes, I am from the north and now live in the south; and I have never seen such rampant dog breeding and animal cruelty in my life. I hadn’t seen a dead dog on the road since the 70s til I moved here. I picked up my collie-shepherd puppy on a dirt road, where he was abandoned, starving and with mange. The backroads are the favorite drop-off points for all of the people who just keep allowing their dogs to breed. Sure, just let the animals keep breeding like nature intended and then let them loose to fend for themselves or to let someone else take care of them. I can’t tell you how many hunting dogs end up lost. And even those, that you would think their owners care about, end up at the shelter unclaimed.

          • http://deleted Claire

            S.C. Murf–I do not believe in abortion. But if men and women are on welfare and they keep pumping out the kids, then it should be mandatory that the women have their tubes tied and the men should have vasectomies. If they don’t want to do this–then no more welfare checks. Simple as that. Forced control over their lives? Probably, but what else can be done about the issue? Little children in situations like this always suffer for the ignorance of the parents. It has been this way for decades.

          • DaveH

            It is you who seems to have the problem with cruelty to animals. I’m not the one who advocates their forced maiming.
            Oh but I know, Karolyn, you have that magic mirror, so you can just look in it and convince yourself that you are the kind hearted one as you force people to maim their animals.
            You must be very blissful, Karolyn.

          • Karolyn

            Dave – I’m just glad I’m not as unhappy as you. BTW – Spaying and neutering does not maim an animal. They still live good lives as long as they are with a loving responsible owner.

          • DaveH

            Like a said — Magic Mirror.
            Mirror, Mirror, on the wall …

            I’m just glad I’m not a clueless Liberal.

          • JeffH

            K says “Spaying and neutering does not maim an animal. They still live good lives as long as they are with a loving responsible owner.”

            There you have it folks…essentially what Karolyn is saying, even though she didn’t come right out and say it, is that it doesn’t matter whether a pet owner is loving and responsible or not.
            The responsible and loving pet owners MUST have their animals spayed and neutered because of the irresponsible pet owners…sound familiar to anyone else? Because of the actions of the irresponsible pet owners everyone else must suffer the same fate.

          • Karolyn

            Jeff – I don’t know where this went wrong, but I don’t think I ever said that ALL pets should be neutered. However, I do believe that those owners who do not should have to assist by way of a surcharge in maintaining animal control measures. Somebody has to pay the shelters and employees to take care of the abundance of unwanted pets. In our county they often don’t even have enough food and have to depend on peoples’ and companies’ kindness to keep the animals alive. If everybody in this county who has an unneutered pet paid $5 per year, it would make a big difference. I really don’t see that that is so unfair.

            Personally, I think it’s all in education, just like everything else. If kids are introduced to these problems in school, via speakers from animal welfare organizations, they might just grow up to not be like their irresponsible parents.

          • DaveH

            What’s unfair is that it’s YOUR problem, YOUR choice, Karolyn, and you somehow think everybody else should pay to do things YOUR way.

          • Karolyn

            Well, it sure ain’t just me, Dave. It is a generally accepted attempt at a solution to a huge problem. You obviously are not in touch with what goes on or do not care about animals. They need someone on their side because they can’t stick up for themselves.

          • JeffH

            Wow Karolyn, “They need someone on their side because they can’t stick up for themselves.”

            Cass Sunstein quotes…”We could even grant animals a right to bring suit without insisting that animals are persons, or that they are not property.”

            “Animals lack standing as such, simply because no relevant statute confers a cause of action on animals. It seems possible, however, that before long, Congress will grant standing to animals to
            protect their own rights and interests. Congress might do this in the belief that in some contexts, it will be hard to find any person with an injury in fact to bring suit in his own name.”

            “Do animals have rights? Almost everyone believes in animal rights, at least in some minimal sense; the real question is what that phrase actually means.”

        • Karolyn

          Well, Dave, I guess we all can’t be perfect like you!

          • DaveH

            Why is it that the ignorant people are always the ones who want to run other peoples’ lives? Does it somehow make you feel better about yourself to butt into other peoples’ business?

          • Karolyn

            Dave – I could give a crap about anybody else’s business. I care about the cruelty to animals. Don’t forget, I’m the one who is pro choice, for legalizing drugs, gay marriage, less FDA interference in supplements, against mandatory vaccinations, etc. In other words I am for personal liberty, Dave. As you believe, the only time something needs curbing is when it infringes on someone else’s rights. People abusing animals infringes on my rights because there are stray dogs all over the place and other people have to take care of them either by donating time and money or taking them in. Then what about the livestock owners whose livestock is killed by dog packs? What is it with you, Dave? Can it be that you just don’t like me? :-) HAHAHAHAHAHAH!

          • http://deleted Claire

            Spay and neuter?? Hmmmmm…….seems like this is what should be done to some politicians–to keep them from multiplying.
            As far as responsible pet ownership–people should be responsible for their companion animals, but a lot of them aren’t. Shame on them. It is a tragic issue. And now I know why I have a tendency to put an animal’s welfare above some humans.

          • http://deleted Claire

            Infringement on people’s rights–Egads, last week in our local newspaper a nurse sent a letter to the editor. She was complaining that St. Johns Hospital has made it mandatory for nurses to wear masks at all times and she said this was an infringement on her rights. This nurse was having a hissy fit. She said in her 20 years of being a nurse she had never made any patients ill. How can she know this? How many times did she go to work not feeling up to par? They work 12-hour shifts. Geez, give me a break. If I were a nurse and I was told to wear a mask, I would gladly do it. In fact, I would wear one without being told to. I have been to the hospitals many many times with my husband–and I will say this–nurses sure can go potty damn quick. It always made me wonder if they washed their hands after they relieved themselves. Sure, they have bacterial soap out now but 5-8 years ago they didn’t have this soap.
            This nurse needs to get a life and stop being an idiot. I would think she would want to protect herself? In a sense, she is acting like the muslim women that want to keep their headgear.

          • eddie47d

            If you want to get sick visit a hospital.

          • DaveH

            So Karolyn says “I care about the cruelty to animals”. Oh, you do, do you, Karolyn? Then why is it that you want to surgically alter their bodies? I call that cruelty. If somebody were to seriously suggest altering welfare recipients, you would be first in line to condemn such act. But since it is animals that are the subject of your intervention it’s okay with you. Ahh, the great powers of rationalization that compose the Liberal mind.

          • eddie47d

            Spay and neuter vs the gas chamber. Get real Dave and use some common sense.

          • DaveH

            I am being real. If you had any of that “common sense”, you would know that.

          • DaveH

            Gas Chamber? Whose choice is that? Certainly not mine. I would let those animals fend for themselves, just as they do in nature. It is Eddie’s and Karolyn’s type of people who think gassing them is better than leaving them on their own.
            Don’t attribute your cruel choices to the rest of us, Eddie and Karolyn.

          • Karolyn

            Dave – You are so far off-base as to almost sound loony. Domesticated dogs are not equipped to fend for themselves. They were not bred for that. However, should they adapt, that would mean more wild animals vying for food in a shrinking environment. What of the livestock losses? What of small children being taken down by wild dogs? Dog packs can be very vicious, which I would assume you know. It would be catastrophic to allow domesticated dogs and cats to breed in the wild. We would have to have dog and cat hunts to keep the population curbed. Do you not realize the magnitude of this problem?

            Fortunately, most states have outlawed the gas chamber and use lethal injection. In many cases, for animals as well as humans, death is the better alternative and is not cruel.

          • Palin12

            It will be a cold day in hell when I have my pedigree Italian Greyhounds spayed or neutered. The laws in my city make no distinction between pedigree dogs and mongrels. Must be part of their political correctness extended to animals.

          • DaveH

            I finally pushed Karolyn to admitting her true feelings — she says “In many cases, for animals as well as humans, death is the better alternative and is not cruel”. That from one of those so-called “compassionate” people. Wow.
            Yes, Karolyn, I certainly do realize the magnitude of this problem. You pushy, controlling, thieving Liberals have been ruining country after country for more than a century.
            And when you are confronted with logic, you turn to name-calling, ridicule, fabricated facts, and whatever other adolescent tool you can come up with to back your illogical, emotionally-based beliefs.
            I’m loony, Karolyn, like you are “Compassionate”. NOT.

          • Karolyn

            I give up, Dave. It wouldn’t matter what I said, you will never understand because you are either lacking in compassion or just have to be right no matter what. And, yes, I do understand YOUR point. But, you know, when it comes to animals and children, somebody has to stand up for them.

        • DaveH
      • Capitalist at Birth

        You sound like a “Liberal” Karolyn. Really you are a Totalitarian Socialist.

        • eddie47d

          Nothing she said wasn’t true and animal shelters are full to the brim because of irresponsible owners and breeders(puppy mills). I thought Conservatives were for personal responsibility but apparently not in this case.

          • http://deleted Claire

            eddie47d–Didn’t the Eagles donate about $50,000 to the HSUS on behalf of Michael Vick? I am glad they did for the sake of the animals but it does not make Vick a better person. Not in my eyes. I have also heard rumors about HSUS and how they spend their money–it doesn’t appear to be spent on the animals??? I imagine the “CEO” makes plenty of money,though.

          • eddie47d

            Yes they did donate to HSUS in care of Michael Vick. HSUS members are mad and encouraged not to donate to HSUS. It should have come out of Vick’s pocket not the teams even though it was a nice gesture (for some).

          • JeffH

            Claire, the HSUS is a political front just as PETA is.
            7 Things You Didn’t Know About HSUS

            1) The Humane Society of the United States (HSUS) is a “humane society” in name only. It isn’t affiliated with any hands-on “humane society” organizations, and it doesn’t operate a single pet shelter or pet adoption facility anywhere. During 2008, HSUS contributed barely $450,000— less than one-half of one percent of its budget—in grants to dog and cat shelters. By comparison, that same year it gave $2.25 million to a political campaign committee behind an anti-meat ballot initiative in California, and put $2.5 million into HSUS’s executive pension plan. HSUS is the wealthiest animal-rights lobbying organization on earth. It agitates for the same goals as PETA and other radical groups, but uses fewer naked interns.

            2) Beginning on the day of NFL quarterback Michael Vick’s 2007 dogfighting indictment, HSUS raised money online with the false promise that it would “care for the dogs seized in the Michael Vick case.” The New York Times later reported that HSUS wasn’t caring for Vick’s dogs at all. And HSUS President Wayne Pacelle told the Times that his group urged government officials to “put down” (that is, kill) the dogs rather than adopt them out to suitable homes. HSUS later quietly altered its Internet fundraising pitch. Vick now gives HSUS “sponsored” speeches. And most of his dogs have been rehabilitated—without any help from HSUS.

          • http://deleted Claire

            JeffH– I appreciate your post and I pulled up the site. It is on target since I have heard numerous rumors for quite awhile. I receive requests for donations periodically but have never given. The jerks, they make me sick. If I get another request, I will return it with an ugly note on it.

          • JeffH

            Claire, Like you, I’m an animal lover and always will be but I get so tired of the “pitifull puppy/kitty” donar adds the same way I get tired of the “Feed the Children” commercials. They’re clearly meant to play on ones emotions. The liberals use the same tactics, and that’s all it is…tactics. Show me some good morals and personal responsibility by an organization and I might decide to support them.
            If and when I get another dog, I’ll go to one of the purebred AKC websites and look at the breed I want and check into rescue dogs first.

          • http://deleted Claire

            JeffH–If you get another dog, you have to get a Shorthair!!! Just teasing.

          • JeffH

            Claire, :) I would give it some very carefull consideration though. As you well know there is more to it than just “owning” a dog. Time & space is the big factors for me…I’m not quite ready to devote the time to a new dog yet and anything less is unacceptable to me. If I can’t guarantee that the dog becomes a full time member of the family, just as a child would, then I know I’m not ready yet.

        • Old Henry


          That is what liberalism is – Totalatarism.

          Liberl, Socialist, Progressive – many ways to spell Communist.

      • Song

        Karolyn I have got to agree with you on mandating spay and neutering for animals or at least have an affordable option for doing so. It is so cruel to not spay or neuter an animal! It is so sad to see little strays running around starving, then freezing in the cold of winter where here it can get to 30 below zero. The animal shelters are overrun and most strays will be euthanized and yet our county has nothing in place to deal with this problem. Not only that strays carry disease and if not controlled their populations spread rapidly. At one time we had over 13 stray cats living at our house. Many people would say just shoot them or take them out to a farm. I say, why don’t people just be responsible and spay and neuter their animals! It is a HUGE problem.

        • Capitalist at Birth

          After you neuter or spay ALL the animals, they will eventually disappear from the face of the earth. Is that a good thing?

          • Karolyn

            Don’t be ridiculous, Capitalist! The idea is to manage breeding not wipe them all out!

    • Old Henry


      Remember, Perry only signed the legisation into law. The REPUBLICAN legislature drew up and passed the legislation.

      So, they are ALL complicit.

      It sounds to me like there may be some DEAD “intrucers” in the Lone Star State as well there should be!

      • Chris

        Now, now, Old Henry. Your bigotry is showing.

        • Old Henry

          Yes Chris, I am very discriminatoryabout who comes into my house and onto my property…

          If they barge into any TX home without a warrant / due process they are an intrucer, a burglar, breaking and entering, a criminal trespassor and should be dealt with accordingly.

          People simply need to guard their soverinty and take action to avoid becoming a victim.

    • speedle

      Rebecca, with everything that is at stake in this next election, this is a pretty lame subject. Is this really your main concern insofar as problems in the state of Texas or the U.S.? It reminds me of some of those on the other side that would elect Joey Stalin if he told them what they wanted to hear about the plight of the horned owl or the polar bears.

    • DaveH

      So, let’s analyze this situation a little more carefully. Rebecca thinks pet owners should be left alone to make their own personal decisions with their own personal property. Karolyn thinks that she should be able to impose her own personal preferences on Rebecca’s personal property. Karolyn’s excuse is that “People drop puppies off in the woods at the side of the road and keep letting their dogs breed. Our shelter is constantly overloaded with the results of cruelty”. Spaying pets is going to stop the “cruelty”?
      With Karolyn’s choices all the citizens in the town will have to pay for the new Government employees to provide oversight, and the court costs for those not in compliance. Not to mention the further loss of privacy of pet owners to the Government snoops who will enforce the laws. The pets will all have to undergo the “cruelty” of the operations, and the owners will have to pay for those operations whether it is against their philosophy to do that to their animals or not.
      But why should Karolyn care? It’s not her money. Karolyn and her ilk love to spend other peoples’ money. And they love to make other peoples’ choices. After all, they’re the enlightened ones who know what’s best for everybody else even though with all that wisdom they can’t take care of their own selves much of the time.
      You gotta love Liberals. NOT.

      • Karolyn

        Dave – Despite all your high-minded rhetoric, I still haven’t heard word one of any other constructive way to deal with the overpopulation of animals. I don’t know that mandatory spay/neuter is totally necessary. There are spay and neuter clinics cropping up in many areas because many people cannot afford it. It is a difficult situation, actually; however, I believe that those with unneutered pets should at least have to pay an extra fee in the pet licensing to help to underwrite the cost of shelter operations. I don’t know if I mentioned that earlier in this discussion; that is what was done in NJ. Some might argue that being forced to spay or neuter would eliminate people from owning pets because they couldn’t afford it. That might be a good thing, considering all of the abandoned pets since the recession started. Actually, if someone can’t afford a pet, they shouldn’t have one. We have no licensing laws here; hence the severe problem. Most shelters have deals with vets and unneutered animals are not adopted out. That is as it should be. There really are no easy answers, Dave; but I haven’t heard you come up with ANY answers. I understand where you’re coming from, but there has to be some control. Things are bad enough for the animals now and have only been getting worse over the past couple of years.

        And, your reference to neutering being cruel and maiming is ridiculous. Neutered animals are safer, since they don’t go running off after a female in heat and end up getting lost or hit by cars. They are often happier because it can lessen their aggression. It is also healthier.

        • DaveH

          Mirror, Mirror, on the wall. Who is the fairest of them all?

  • greg

    Rick Perry does not come across as having enough experience
    to be President of the United States. We do not need the
    Republican version of Barack Obama; which may be even worse
    than President Obama. Rick Perry is not someone that I could
    vote for, as I do not honestly believe that he would do any
    better as President of the United States than Barrack Obama
    has done.

    • Old Henry


      I do not like Perry and will not vote for him, period. However, to say he does not have enough experience is quite silly.

      We now have a COMMUNITY ORGANIZER conducting an occupation of OUR WH. What experience did this communist foreign national Muslim have?

      • speedle

        Just curious Old Henry. What if Perry is the GOP nominee? Would you vote for him then, or would you not vote and help re-elect Obama?

        • crystal

          That’s a really terrible vision.

        • Old Henry


          I would vote Libertarian.

          I don’t know how long you have been a “resident” here at PLD, but the longer you are here the more enlightened you will become about Perry as there are A LOT of Texicans (a little John Wayne lingo there) that take turns here at the head of the class.

          Get behind Ron Paul speedie, we are building a movement here one person at a time.

          Glad you are here.

        • Mary

          Yes, I would vote for him. I think we need some good, old fashioned Texas values brought into the political arena, and he seems to have those. Also, Iowa values, Oklahoma values, Illinois values, Wisconsin values, Montana, Idaho, Kansas, you get the picture. Judeo/Christian values built this country, and we need to get back to that.

          • Old Henry

            Gee Mary, ya mean like GW? Spend, spend, spend. Bigger govt, bigger govt, bigger govt. War, war, war. Shred our Constition, shred our Constition, shred our Constition.

            Read the posts here regarding Perry and see what he DID do TO Texas and tried to do to Texas.

            He is GW on steroids, a global elitest, a RINO.

            Not too long ago I read a Texan’s post that stated their saying about their Gov. “Rick Perry is all hat and no cattle”.

            Do your homework Mary and you will see that Ron Paul is the only candidate who will truly get us back on track. ALL the other candidates love big govt, but at a slower pace.

            Look at the history.

    • olinda moore

      Remember when the people pick Obama nobody check papers from all the schools he pass,nobody check who the friends was,how long he work and Obama close all his document saing nobody can see it,birth certificade was prohibed.Now you have Rick Perry check all his document,how many years experience working and what job his done untill now,them you can talk about him.God Bless America

      • Jibbs

        Public school education at it’s best.

        • Al Sieber

          Yeah, at it’s very best.

    • DonnieB

      Although he is not my first choice for the GOP nomination, he certainly will be better than Obama. Unless you think he will start TARP 2, a bigger version of ObamaCare, or turn loose the unelected officials to institute even more socialistic rules designed to crush our capitalist system.

      Does he have some baggage? Sure but name the person who won’t. The lack of ‘baggage’ is what the Democrats went with nominating Obama. Sure there were other reasons for the nomination, white guilt being one of them.

      Any of the field of candidates on the GOP side would do a better job than the current administration. Although I held my nose when I pulled the lever for McCain, I still think that the US would be better off today if the country had elected him.

      • Old Henry

        All of that and more DonnieB.

      • DaveH

        McCain would have been smarter. He would have grown the Government more slowly and less perceptively than Obama, thus perhaps not waking up the American citizens to the extent that Obama has. In that respect, McCain would have been far more dangerous than Obama.
        We, as a people, have sat idly by for the last 100 years as the elites have slowly tightened their strangling grip. We have lazily let go of the Freedom that our Forefathers gave up their lives to secure. It’s time to open our eyes and educate ourselves to the reality of Leadership. The vast majority of them are in it for themselves and their Politically connected Cronies. And we aren’t going to end our subjugation by putting more Establishment Republicans on the throne. It’s time for people to wake up and learn what Freedom really is. And it ISN’T ‘how much pain and suffering can we endure’.
        Only people like Ron Paul, Gary Johnson, and other Libertarian-minded individuals, with our backing, are going to be able to break the Stranglehold that Big Government has on us.

  • Brian

    Why is Rick Perry getting credit for things Ron Paul has been saying for decades? Perry doesn’t have an original thought.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Perry is getting the attention for all the things that Ron Paul has been saying for all these years because Perry believes these selfsame ideas are resonating with the people and these ideas may get him the votes.

      • home boy

        look out for herman cain. he’s in your rear view mirror

        • http://Personalliberty Tony

          To Home boy:
          So right you are with your post and choice. Lets face it, Rick Perry can barely complete a rudimentary sentence in a debate. Also, this nut case believes in secession along with stating he has conversation with God in the living room of the Gov. mansion everyday. WHEW!!
          Thus, the best bet to unseat Obama is a Herman Cain/Paul ticket.
          If not, i’ll personally not vote, vote third party, or will vote for Obama out of spite. Thanks!!

          • S.C. Murf

            Hey Tony, I talk to Jesus many times during the course of a day, who do you talk to satan?

            up the hill

          • http://Liberty Tony

            S.C. Murf:
            I’m a Protestant Lutheran Christian,THANKS!! Now, knock off the false piety will you. Finally, go up the hill, climb a tall tree, then take one giant leap and see where it gets you. Tallyho!!

          • S.C. Murf

            Tony no false piety, actually no piety at all, I know I’m a sinner and fall very short of the glory of God and I do talk to Jesus during the course of the day. If you knew scripture you would know that Jesus tells us to give the glory to God for all things. But in your case being a Lutheran, Protestant, Christian, Catholic, I’m sorry but we can’t fix stupid. Sorry I couldn’t get back yesterday to finish our conversation and just wanted to let you know that when I talked to Jesus later in the day He told me to tell you He wants you to make that popping sound.

            up the hill

          • DaveH

            First off, I want to say I in no way endorse Perry.
            But he’s a “nutcase” because he believes in secession? So, I guess Tony that you don’t think somebody should be able to get out of a bad marriage? Or if your friends turn out to be crooked you shouldn’t be able to distance yourself from them?
            If a Government is no longer obeying the laws of the land, the people should just shrug their shoulders and put up with it?
            This country was founded on the Principle of Freedom. Our founders knew what it was like to be crushed under the thumb of “authority”. For the first 70 years of our country Secession was a commonly accepted alternative to an undesirable Central Government. Then along came the dictator Lincoln who thereafter (illegally and by force) subjugated the states to the Federal Government.
            You are wrong morally and practically to expect a people to put up with great abuse because you are on the side of the abusers, Tony.

      • olinda moore

        Ron Paul is good but he is to old to compite with Obama can you see it

        • Jibbs


        • DaveH

          Olinda, it is us old folks who can still remember what it was like to have a modicum of Freedom. The younger ones have mostly been brainwashed to accept the constant intrusion of Government into their daily lives, and they just don’t know any better because they’ve never experienced any kind of Real Freedom. Once we older folks are gone, it no doubt is going to get very ugly until finally it gets so ugly that even the brainwashed citizens can no longer put up with it.
          By the way, Olinda, I think Ron Paul will tie Obama in knots if Obama is so foolish as to debate that “old” man.

    • Commonsense

      Brian…. You got a witness!! Amen to your comment!!!

    • BigBadJohn

      Where have you been for last thirty years?
      Presidential races have turned into beauty contests, and Perry is better looking than Paul….

      • Erik

        Unfortunetly you’re right Big John! Perry is a lowlife piece of garbage! I hope the GOP doesn’t endorse this fraud! If they do then the writing is on the wall! They’ll hand the election to the other piece of trash we have in the white house thus burying america for good!

  • David

    Just remember, all this talk about RP is a waste of time because EVERYBODY KNOWS he can’t win against the obama.

  • DaveH

    “This country is desperate for some bold, manly leadership. So far, the closest we’ve come to it is Sarah Palin and Michele Bachmann”?
    What? Did Ron Paul quit? The only guy who has consistently stood against Congress’s Unconstitutional actions for 30 years is somehow not manly now?
    I believe Ron Paul is the only Republican candidate who can draw votes from the Independents and disaffected Democrats who are tired of the Republican militarism, the Futile and costly (in money, lives, and Constitutional rights) Drug Wars, and the other Republican wastes of taxpayer money and intrusions into personal choice such as their multitudinous Victimless Crimes. There are Democrats, you know, who don’t go along with the redistribution of wealth but just can’t vote for Republicans for the aforementioned reasons.
    It’s time for a Real Change — get the Federal Government back to its Constitutional mandates, and get some of our Freedom back. Vote for Ron Paul!

    • Al Sieber

      I’ll second that, Ron Paul has a hell of a chance.

      • Capitalist at Birth

        Only if he gets the nomination, which is not likely.

        • DaveH

          Then we will just run him as a third party candidate or an independent.

    • Jeanie Avery

      I loved the Sarah and Michelle comment! But I also agree with your comments on Ron Paul, what a great laspe to omit him! He is a viable candidate, and the ONLY one with a long proven Constitutional voting record. Everyone else can say all they want, but he has the record to prove his position!

      • DaveH

        Michele voted for the Patriot Act extension and she has no problem with meddling in other countries’ business.
        Don’t know if Palin is an advocate of the military state, but I will never forget that she stumped for the Liberal Republican John McCain.

        • olinda moore

          Sarah Palin,a woman full of good ideas to bring this country back ;you better believe it,jobs we desper need ,remember drill baby drill,use the cool for energy ,old the ideas Sarah have you name it is on her and if we give her the chance she will be the first woman to be President in the history of USA,Lets help maybe she acept to run,i thing if thath happens she can put obama off from office,make him a one term president,SARAH PALIN FOR PRESIDENT….RA RA..RA..RA RAAAAAAAAAA

          • DaveH

            The Libertarian Party ran a female vice-presidential candidate about 15 years ago. Where were you then?

    • Jibbs

      I sent Ron Paul a donation this morning.

      • DaveH

        Yay Jibbs!

      • JeffH

        I sent one to RP earlier in the week and last month too!

        • JeffH

          note…you can also buy Ron Paul yard signs, car magnets and bumper stickers for $5 bucks.

    • James

      I agree. Ron Paul isn’t an imposing John Wayne-type figure, but the words that come out of his mouth are just as lethal.

    • Christine

      Rick Perry says what is popular at the moment. I trust him least of all of the Republican candidates. Ron Paul has lived his principles for decades. No one is more consistent with his votes and stands than Ron Paul. He has fully thought out principles that he will never compromise. If people would look at principles rather than “electability” (look how well that has worked out over history)then the choice is simple. Ron Paul 2012.

  • kingfish15

    Sounds like Rebecca enjoys killing animals. There are too many. I don’t know anything about Perry and Texas, but there is a major overpopulation of dogs and cats and we are now killing off millions of them every year. Mandatory spay and neutering sounds better to me than KILLING them off later. Sounds like Rebecca may have been one of the animal hoarders with dozens of them living in below average conditions, so animal control got called and came and took them away.

    Unfortunately, the most recent statistics published by the National Council are from 1997, and only 1,000 shelters replied to the survey at that time. Using the National Council’s numbers from 1997 and estimating the number of operating shelters in the United States to be 3,500 (the exact number of animal shelters operating in the United States does not exist), these estimates were made:

    Of the 1,000 shelters that replied to the National Council’s survey, 4.3 million animals were handled.
    In 1997, roughly 64 percent of the total number of animals that entered shelters were euthanized — approximately 2.7 million animals in just these 1,000 shelters. These animals may have been euthanized due to overcrowding, but may also have been sick, aggressive, injured or suffering from something else.
    56 percent of dogs and 71 percent of cats that enter animal shelters are euthanized. More cats are euthanized than dogs because they are more likely to enter a shelter without any owner identification.
    Only 15 percent of dogs and 2 percent of cats that enter animal shelters are reunited with their owners.
    25 percent of dogs and 24 percent of cats that enter animal shelters are adopted.

    It is estimated that approximately 3.7 million animals were euthanized in the nation’s shelters in 2008. This number represents a generally accepted statistic that is widely used by many animal welfare organizations, including the American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (ASPCA).

  • Barney

    I am not an American so my opinion is not worth much but it seems to me that the problem is not so much with your (and ours) politicians but with us the great unwashed voters.

    There was a line in one of your movies “The truth, you cannot handle the truth” and to me this says it all. We will not elect anybody who lays it out truthfully, and clearly.

    We here in Canada and in the USA are on a downward spiral or out own making due to years and years of entitlement thinking.

    We now have a Prime Minister who is trying in a small way to change course and the hate he is generating is palpable.

    We here have a smnall chance to reverse our course towards socialism but I fear with your system you have little chance. Hope I am wrong.

    God Bless America

    • DaveH

      What the average voter doesn’t get, Barney, is that most of the leaders are all about themselves. They could care less about the citizens. Most important in their minds is growing their Power and Perks.
      Thomas Jefferson knew this over 200 years ago — “The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground”.

      To understand how we got where we are now from this once Free country, pick up a copy of this book:

      • Jeep

        Great answer DaveH, along with uncaring and corrupt politicians is a creeping complicity by the voters. There are no good intentioned govt programs, in the mind of the politician, only programs intended to buy votes from a willing electorate. Couple that with a small group of easily swayed and vocal “activists” who trumpet those programs and “Voila!”…all is well. That is until you run out of OPM. Then, to keep the party going, demonize a class of people, take their money and “Voila!”…tryanny! All in the name of goodness.

        • JeffH

          Jeep, …and your comment as well… :)

    • Mary

      I think you have nailed it on the head. It seems we have become an “entitlement” society. Too many folks are sitting on their cans expecting the government to take care of them, instead of getting off their duff and taking any kind of job that is available, even low paying jobs to put a roof over their head and food on the table. I’m afraid too many young people expect to have the same things their parents have worked 30 years to achieve.

  • DaveH

    Yet another personal attack by yet another controlling person, exactly what we need less of in this country.

    • DaveH

      That comment was originally a reply to Kingfish, but got orphaned when that one of Kingfish’s duplicate comments was deleted.

      • bob wire

        oops! I posted late, Sorry Dave. We got out of step.
        I ran too long I suppose. ~ When it comes to Texas, ~ where is a place to stop?

        I love my state, I’ve accepted the union. Sometimes ~more like a bad marriage but still committed.

    • bob wire

      Surly, You are not referring to me Dave as my posting fails to be personal, attacking or controlling but purely subjective observation.

      Texas can well run it’s self, “W” proved that. If you came to the table with a huge stack of chips (compliments of the “House”) placed before you. You need only to sit and play. Bush or Perry have “never” pulled one rabbit out of a hat in their entire political careers other then simply getting “elected”.

      Texas would be in better economic shape today if Perry had simply left things alone. But he did exactly what Governor Walker of Wisconsin has done after being elected, by making adjustments in the tax code, rewarding friend and punishing enemies. ~ After two years of this “tax adjustment” in place, the state Comptroller publicly recorded some 80,000 per year short fall in state revenues to budget, which Dick Perry elected to ignore. Hoping for better times I suppose much like many other American. However, better times never came and here we are today, in the tank with the rest of America, finding ourselves digging though the sofa for loose change.

      Texas is a unique state with a unique and extremely colorful history, there has been 6 national flags flown over this state. Our population is comprised of many nationalities. Matters of immigration longer then statehood, sorted and complex to the point that few other states might begin to appreciate.

      It’s not that we “like” things as they are but we have accepted much like you might a huge mountain placed in your path, simply something to negotiated, finding removing it impossible to even consider.

      I would not ever expect the rest of the nation to understand or find appreciation with Dick Perry views and he surly is not the caliber of statesman to address such matters, few are.

      • DaveH

        No, Bob. I said it was Kingfish I was commenting to.

        • bob wire

          Reply to ” No Bob “

          • DaveH

            I see you’ve finally lost your mind, Bob. It was just a matter of time.

          • bob wire

            You are a bit overly surly today Davy, ~ you been taken Mean Pills or something today? ~ Don’t make me make you cry.

            I was checking to see where my post might be posted ~ they seem to be displayed in strange order and offering us all some confusion.

            NO need to attack simply for the joy of it. ~ I like to have a good “reasons” to make you cry and not think of myself as being~ harsh to judge. Even a blind hog finds an acorn from time to time and he is so happy when he does, he will look for more!

          • eddie47d

            Just posted to Dave H and the comment went up about 15 comments. So you are not off base bob wire

          • DaveH

            Don’t flatter yourself, Bob. You could not make me cry physically or mentally.

          • DaveH
      • Mary

        Thank you! Proud to be a native Texan. One ancestor and family came here from Western Tenn., another great grandfather from Sweden,another grandmother was half breed Cherokee, another great grandmother was Creole. Some were here when the Texas Revolution was fought.

  • Bruce

    The people in “Corporation of DC” don’t care what you think nor have they ever. They, as in all of them are not working for you nor have they ever, nor will they ever.
    YOU work for them, as in your a “SLAVE” who was bought and sold at BIRTH.

    By the Way, this is one of the only true thing’s Perry has ever said in his politcial life. Hey want to invest some money with Berrnie Maddof? Why not? He’s far more truthful than any DC Politician.

    **Repeal the 14th Amendment NOW,** Take back the nation, then we can start to fix all the problems.

    If not we all face the same old tired two step dance thats really just a simple one step dance, only you the American Voters think it’s more complex.

  • Joe

    One of the most inane articles I’ve read since Perry’s entry into the
    nomination fight.

    • JeffH

      How so?

  • professor

    Very quickly,time is short, I loved this article!

    Loved the fact that this country got along without tax collectors, for 130 years! In 1913, the biggest crime was perpetrated against the American people! (obama’s election may be an even bigger crime!)

    Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security are socialist programs! Medicaid is the most offensive! At least many people on Medicare and Social Security paid into these programs. (Just as in Medicaid, many are collecting Medicare and Social Security benefits that have never contributed to them.)

    I agree with Perry that Social Security is a Ponzi scheme! I do not agree with Perry that we must take care of illegals, if our “hearts” are in the right place! Illegals need to be deported instead of coddled!
    Americans should not have to spend a dime on supporting or educating them. The cost of deporting each one is far less than what it costs to provide for them over their lifetimes! This country cannot afford another 100,000 illegals, every month, invading our country! And, that number is only what the government will admit to, it could be much larger.

    • DaveH

      If we simply eliminated Government charity with taxpayer money, we wouldn’t need to fight over who was getting what advantages. People would take care of themselves, and those who really couldn’t would get help voluntarily from good citizens who would then be prosperous enough to afford that.
      The Federal Government does not have an enumerated power to give taxpayer money away. We need to get the Federal Government back into compliance with the Main Law of the Land — The Constitution.

    • Commonsense

      I do have an idea professor. Couldn’t we gather up all the illegals and have them build the walls along our borders? 3 hots and a cot, 12 hour days, 7 days a week. Hell,I’d even pitch in for materials. Be done in no time. Once they are built high enough and strong enough, pitch all the labor force over the back side of it. Kinda like a paper plate, use it, then toss it! Oh, and by the way, all you people out there, wouldn’t hurt to teach your kids HOW TO WORK!! There is maybe, 1 out of ten kids between the ages of 15 to 25 that know what work is. They just expect to stand around and get a paycheck. That all starts with the parents. That’s one of the many reasons illegals are coming over here too, ya know. 99% of Americans can’t and won’t do physical work of any kind-NOTHING BUT BLOODY DAMN BONE IDE!!!!!!!! So why don’t we quit the handouts, kick out the illegals and get America off its fat, lazy, want something-for-nothing ass, and get back to work! There’s jobs out there for those who will work!! But ya gotta want to work!! I know I’m wasting my breath on all you out there. Most Americans today are a waste of flesh! Sucking good oxygen a productive person could be using. Until we get rid of the deadbeat trash out there and start teaching, good and hard work, moral, and family ethics, we’re going to stay in the toilet.

      • DaveH

        Mexicans came here to secure the “good” life. They couldn’t get that in Mexico because, thanks to heavy Government regulations, the economy is poor there. Now our brilliant politicians have the solution — make us more like Mexico, so the Mexicans won’t want to come here anymore.

    • Mary

      Social Security was never supposed to be an income in itself, only a help. People are supposed to work and put part of their paycheck back in a savings account for their retirement.

  • bob wire

    I just don’t see Perry as a leader, not of Texas, not of America.

    But he is an electable politician, a bureaucracy that has proven to be like any cat, has a very good idea where it’s tail is at ~ at all times.

    Why, he elected to grab a hold of this “Third Rail” as Chip calls it or elected to walk into a room full of rocking chairs tells us he is saying, “Bring it on”

    I hope that you do.

  • R K

    “I confess, I haven’t read Fed Up!. But I have read a ton of condemnations of what’s in it. And guess what? I agree with Perry’s arguments.”

    That’s what Chip Wood says.

    “America’s Favorite Ponzi Scheme”

    That’s what Rick Perry says.


    Probably the word moron is ashamed of being associated with Chip Wood & Rick Perry

    • DaveH

      Only a real Moron would not recognize that Social Security is indeed now a Ponzi Scheme. In fact, as Chip and others before him have said, it’s worse than a Ponzi Scheme because people are Forced to participate:

      Not only that, but it is Unconstitutional and theft. The Federal Government does not have the Constitutional power to force people to put their money in a Government-run retirement program. And it is Theft, every bit as much as if your investment advisor neighbor told you he was going to take and invest your money against your will because he knows what is best for you.

      • Bruce

        More Facts on this;

        #1, SS checks are issued by the IMF who is an agent of the UN.

        #2, A 1040 form is a Tribute to the Crown of England, IRS doc #6209

        #3, We are all Human Capital / Chattel / Slaves sold at birth. EO #13037

        ((*** REPEAL the 14th AMENDMENT***))

        • Bruce

          SS is not an Insurance or a contract, nor is there a Trust Fund. *Helvering V Davis 301- US 619
          *Steward Co V Davis 301- US 548

          SS #’s are issued by the UN through the IMF
          *SS5 Form 20 CFR, Chap III, Subplant B 422.103.b

  • tomm

    I’m sure our Founding Fathers would have meant for the Most Honorable
    and Qulified Person be elected and not according to how much money he/she was able to put into his/her compaign. Seems that would leave out any ‘unqualified illigal alien’ presently occupying our White House.

    • Karolyn

      ONLY men with money qualified when our the founders were alive!

      • Jibbs

        Can you provide a link to back up that claim?

        • Karolyn

          Oh, no, now you’re going to question my American History 101 book! It is common knowledge that only the wealthy and educated took part in the writing of the Declaration, Articles of Confederation and the Constitution. Washington was voted in by his peers – wealthy landowners. Male landowners were the only people allowed to vote in the early days of this country. As a matter of fact, most of the 55 delegates to the Philadelphia Convention were lawyers who had investments in land and the public securities of the US. They were members of the intellectual, political and economic elite.

          • DaveH

            Do you ever do anything for your taxpayer-funded salary, Karolyn? Where do you get all that time to comment and read this blog on a workday?

        • Karolyn

          Dave – You have no idea what days and hours I work.

          • DaveH

            Not much.

      • ValDM

        And what’s different now? I don’t know of even a congressman/woman who isn’t wealthy, do you?

      • Jeep

        You are almost correct Karolyn, many of our Founders were wealthy and well-to-do. Let’s see…hmmm…they could have chosen to keep the status quo and stay wealthy, or they might just risk it all and help to foment the revolution that provides the freedom and prosperity you enjoy today. Gosh, I am glad they chose to risk their wealth for my benefit. Too bad there are many in America today that nit-pick and disparage our Founders.

        • Mary

          Many of the original signers of the Declaration of Independence had the property confiscated, and sometimes their families were murdered. They may have been wealthy to begin with, but many died paupers. So yes, it cost them everything. And the founding Mothers were there also.

        • Karolyn

          Too bad there are few wealthy today who would risk their wealth for posterity!

          • eddie47d

            So true Karolyn but Mary’s comment was correct also.

          • DaveH

            And you know that how, Karolyn? You are becoming like a female Eddie.

  • Insurgent

    Washington, DC is a cesspool for liars, whores, and thieves !!

  • AJ

    Rick Perry is a NWO lackey along with Mitt the Twit and our liar in Chief. We need new faces in there that aren’t NWO. Paul, Palin, Bachman.

  • Linda

    I am not for Perry at all. Right now I am liking Herman Cain more and more. I also think a Ron Paul/Herman Cain or Herman Cain/Ron Paul ticket would be best for America.

  • Stephan F.

    OK kiddies, it’s time once again to leap-frog over all the b.s. and the mass of confusion and jump right to “the heart of the matter”:

    It matters not whether you think Social Security is a ponzi scheme or not,
    it matters not whether you think Social Security is necessary or not,
    it matters not whether you think Social Security is fair or not, and,
    it matters not whether you think Social Security should be overhauled or not.

    What does matter is that Social Security is unconstitutional, illegal, and immoral — period.

    It’s time to quit paying attention to the irrelevant & stop gawking at “cause & effect” — these are mere distractions that interfere with the possibility of promoting real solutions to real problems. Stop suggesting band-aid like solutions — such as government allowing individuals to open “private accounts” whilst still maintaining the current system — as these DO NOT address the real problems. The crux of the matter is this: Social Security must be ended; and the sooner the better. It was enacted by law (the Social Security Act of 1935), and can be ended by law. Once that’s decided we can then get down to the real work of figuring out just how to stop this atrocity without starting another civil war.

    Good luck with that one.

    “Men will stop committing atrocities when men stop believing absurdities.” – Voltaire

    • eddie47d

      Americans are not savers but are forced to be consumers to keep our country from collapsing. Were in the world does Stephan and others think retirement supplement money will come from if not a system that demands that individuals save through SS (or any other program). Since few people save on their own for their later years the government is doing us all a favor (go ahead and laugh) by mandating coverage. Instead of waiting until the non-saving Americans reach retirement age and end up on state welfare which would cost much more. Since the stock market is very unreliable and a ponzi scheme itself what does Stephan suggest? The argument against SS goes nowhere because it doesn’t fill in the gap of trying to depend on the Bernie Madoff’s to take care of you in old age. Because a few have made a bundle on Wall Street doesn’t mean everyone else should be a lemming and end up losing everything. Social Security should be debated and never should have been used for other programs. It is still much safer for the MAJORITY of Americans than gambling on Wall Street. So a bigger question should be asked who is behind the dismantling of SS and how much money will they make if you go to their services?

      • DaveH

        Another ignorant comment from Eddie.
        People don’t bother saving because they are suffering the delusion that Government will be there to help them. And the Government with their forced saving plan didn’t bother saving either. It’s a hand to mouth system. As fast as people pay into the SS system, Government pays it back out. If the economy breaks down, those people who Eddie feigns concern for will be SOL.
        How could the SS recipients have done any worse than to imitate the Government and save NOTHING?
        For those with half-a-brain (that leaves you out, Eddie):

        • BigBadJohn

          Agree with you on this.
          People were lulled into the idea of the SS “safety net” so didn’t make the hard choice and save for themselves.

          I have good friend who is facing retirement, all along he bragged about how well he was living. Now he has less than 40k in the bank, a mortgage and is counting on SS to be able to retire.

          That is the whole problem with any sort of welfare program, you count on what the government is going to give. Same goes for the whole corporate welfare system.

        • eddie47d

          I see that Dave is 90% insulting today and spends all his time glorifying his own mind. First of all you name isn’t Stephan and secondly you didn’t give me a direct answer on my comment. So take your blowhard and hateful attitude and place it between your legs. SS was never meant as a full retirement system but as a supplement. Although a few have managed to solely live on it. Since Dave and the Conservative want to take away the minimum wage,workers benefits and other compensations I wonder how he expects these workers to save anything if they are not doing it now. You seldom have answers to common questions Dave and you are always trying to be an Elite on every issue. Come down to earth once and a while.

          • DaveH

            You mean crawl in the dirt with you, Eddie? No thanks. History has shown that Free Markets produce good economies, and that Big Governments produce bad economies. Still you ignoramuses insist on forcing your ignorant ways on others.
            My answers are good answers. You would know that, Eddie, if you spent some time educating yourself instead of pestering us.

          • JeffH

            DaveH, just another example of envy…

          • JeffH

            How about this….another eddie lie:

            “Since Dave and the Conservative want to take away the minimum wage,workers benefits and other compensations I wonder how he expects these workers to save anything if they are not doing it now.”

          • JeffH

            …then comes the envy and the hypocricy…eddie’s nothing more than an envious, hypocritical and wannabe bully who is incapable of handling the returns of his actions. When it comes to eddie’s comments, talk is cheap!

            “I see that Dave is 90% insulting today and spends all his time glorifying his own mind. First of all you name isn’t Stephan and secondly you didn’t give me a direct answer on my comment. So take your blowhard and hateful attitude and place it between your legs.

            “You seldom have answers to common questions Dave and you are always trying to be an Elite on every issue.”

            …yes, a very envious low rate bully…

        • eddie47d

          No just another example of Dave drooling all over himself.

      • Mary

        In my opinion Congress should be forced to pay back the money, with interest, that was “borrowed” from the Social Security fund several years ago. It was promised that it would be paid back, but it never has been.

  • don

    check out the obamadecetion video online. you will see what you will be getting the same package as we have now because of who chooses our polititions it goes way back. i have the dvd of it and it is very ron paul for more hope of possibly have beneficial hope for this country. too bad he does’nt win nomination and choose raul for running mate. i like both of the and think they would be great for this country. they would’nt fit into the crowd of losers we’re stuck with ,but the change would be great. less of the old and in with the new. lets overhaul the senate too. elect fair reps who will do something for the country instead of the elite who runs everything.

  • http://yahoo Skyraider6

    i watched obama telling his people to take their slippers off and put on their shoes and i thought i was back in 1939 listening to a dark skined hitler what a joke

    • djdrew103

      I love it when people play the fool’s folly and use any reference to color in a political agenda. Talk about self suicide to an opinion. If a person doesn’t have enough educational promise that they can’t promote an idea or belief without casting racially inclined comments, don’t even bother commenting! I am sure that the majority of members would agree. Bob, with due respect, if you can scan through the pages and comment on people who oppose your views as being communists or socialists, how come you don’t at least use the wisdom to put a “report abuse” selector on your column comments? I am sure you can’t catch every comment with an accurate rapid response time involved to moderate their slurs, and thus suffer no chagrin for missing this one. I am sure you don’t need to resort to allowing racists comments just to dish out the hype slam on Obama. We, none of us as responsible Aamericans, need to lower ourselves by trying to White Wash this comment about a black Hitler. I “AM” surprised/not surpirsed, that no one else rebuked such ill use of words. smiles

      • BigBadJohn

        MOST people here will fiercely deny that their hatred of Obama has anything to do with race or color.
        However, every imaginable racial slur, has been used at one time or the other describe Obama,on this blog.

        • eddie47d

          Every topic will bring a few snide remarks and most have to be overlooked but the total obsession with the naacp and black panthers seems to be deliberate but extremely odd.Some here have al sharpton and maxine waters on speed dial in several of there comments. Then they do a 360 and fall all over herman cain to make up for all the derogatory comments. Odd indeed.

      • Bob Livingston

        Dear djdrew103,

        While I agree that playing the race card is the bastion of the intellectually deficient, I think you doth protest too much. Look at the masthead at the top of the home page. What does it say? Personal Liberty. Unlike some sites, we believe in freedom of speech and we welcome and invite discussion… even when it’s unpleasant. We do have some rules, as outlined by our comments policy. It says “we will not tolerate racism, profanity or slanderous comments toward the author of comment participants.” If you’ve been here very long you know that we are pretty loose on the policy. So what constitutes “racism, profanity or slanderous comments?” Whatever I or the moderators decide.

        Is your complaint that Obama was compared to Hitler? There have been many occasions where George W. Bush has been called Hitler by Leftists—sometimes on this site. I have not removed those. Is your complaint that he was called dark skinned? That’s an observation of fact.

        In short, in this case, you have no argument.

        Best wishes,

  • Mike Severt

    Social Security was started as good program. It was not for everyone!
    It was only for those who volunteered to be part of the program!
    It worked so beautifully that our fair feathered friends that it should be for everyone and they have forced it that way. And now the blessing has been destroyed by our know how to fix it friends of Congress!!! So, now
    let them fix it! By going back to the original plan and dumping all the other stuff they have added to the package!!! There was no SSI in the program!
    It was not started as a scheme!!!

    • newspooner

      Actually, Social Security was a deliberate plot from the beginning. Its purpose was to accelerate several phases of the communization of America. Compulsory allocation of earnings, personal identification number, turning employers into unpaid tax collectors, leaving employees more susceptible to perjury, increased federal bureaucracy,nurturing the idea that government is a provider, culturing the nanny state, making sheeple dependent on government handouts, providing a gateway to socialized medicine, etc. It was all planned from the beginning. It never was a program that had “good intentions”. It is communism.

  • Karolyn

    And how old are you, Stephan? I’ve paid into SS my whole life and deserve what I’m getting now.

    • Song

      Karolyn, those that have paid into SS and are drawing it now are not the issue. Those that are just starting in the system or maybe half way through it are the issue. Is it fair that a 20 year old, 30 year old or even 40 year old should be paying into social security when most likely they will never see those payments returned?

  • Capitalist at Birth

    I recognized FICA as a pyramid scheme in 1959 when I was 10 years old. I have been arguing with my brethren ever since, to no avail. rick Perry is right on this one. He, along with Romney, Santorum,and Huntsman are poor candidates for the Republican Party. I would like to see Paul, Bachmann, Cain, Palin, and Gingrich get together and form a coalition behind one of them for the one candidate that we can all support. any one of them would be fine for me.

    • Song

      I agree Capitalist, although I would throw Romney in the mix as well.

    • newspooner

      Not Gingrich. He is a CFR puppet.

  • http://moniquer7 Merlin

    This is easy enough to check out. Look up the definition of a Ponzi scheme and how it works and then do a direct comparison to how social security was designed to work. And this is not a government handout for working Americans because all workers are required to pay FICA.

    • DaveH

      Or you could just read this article by an acclaimed economist and learn that it is indeed a Ponzi scheme, only worse because at least Ponzi didn’t force people to partake in his scam:

  • George Peck

    Bad as it is, and it will get worse, maybe at least we will learn the hard way to separate crap from roses and teach it to our children.

  • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

    Another Rick Perry Whopper
    Posted on September 21, 2011 , Updated on September 21, 2011

    Texas Gov. Rick Perry makes another wildly false claim in a new Web ad — saying that the U.S. poverty rate has hit an “all-time high.” In fact, the rate is the highest since 1993, but 7.3 percentage points lower than it was in 1959, according to the U.S. Census Bureau’s most recent annual tallys.

    Perry’s false claim about the poverty rate follows his false claim during his second debate appearance, when he said Obama’s stimulus measure “created zero jobs” since it was signed in February 2009. That untrue statement was called out not only by us, but other fact-finders as well, including debate cosponsor CNN.

    Perry makes much use of the word “zero” in this Internet-only ad, which runs 1 minute 45 seconds. Regarding jobs, he chooses his words more carefully than he did in the debate, saying “zero jobs” materialized — in the single month of August. That’s true enough, according to the most recent official job statistics.

    Perry’s ad goes on to say (over pictures of shuttered buildings and empty factories) that Obama’s tenure is marked by “ZERO CONFIDENCE … ZERO ‘HOPE’ … ZERO ‘CHANGE.’ “ We interpret all those as statements of Perry’s opinion, and thus fair game. Anyone is entitled to agree or disagree. And polls show that Americans who say the U.S. is on the “wrong track” outnumber those who think it’s on the “right track” by more than 4 to 1. Plus, consumer confidence — while far from “zero” as measured by the Conference Board — still took a steep plunge in August to the lowest point since 2009.

    But Perry’s ad simply gets it wrong about the poverty rate. The Census Bureau said on Sept. 13, when it released the most recent annual figures on poverty and income:

    U.S. Census Bureau: The poverty rate in 2010 was the highest since 1993 but was 7.3 percentage points lower than the poverty rate in 1959, the first year for which poverty estimates are available. Since 2007, the poverty rate has increased by 2.6 percentage points.

    So the poverty rate is not even close to being the highest in the 51 years for which we have official figures, let alone at an “all-time” high — which would be higher than even during the Great Depression, or the era of slavery.

    Perry’s ad may have confused the poverty rate — the percentage of the total population in poverty — with the number in poverty. It’s true that the Census figures show more people in poverty in 2010 than at any time in the previous five decades, and thus a record number. But it’s also true that there are a record number of Americans overall (the population keeps rising every year).

    Update, Sept. 21: The Perry campaign also did some creative editing at the beginning of this ad, where Obama is heard saying: “I love these folks who say, well, this is Obama’s economy. That’s fine. Give it to me.” But that’s not exactly the way Obama really put it, though the editing is done so seamlessly that few if any listeners would suspect his remarks had been truncated.

    What the president really said — in Michigan on July 14, 2009, after GM and Chrysler emerged from bankruptcy — was this (with portions deleted by Perry campaign in bold):

    Obama, July 14, 2009: I love these folks who helped get us in this mess and then suddenly say, well, this is Obama’s economy. That’s fine. Give it to me.

    What the Perry campaign edited out was Obama’s reference to those in Perry’s party whom he accused of helping to create “this mess.”

    At another point in the ad, the president is heard saying: “Despite all the naysayers who were predicting failure a year ago, our economy is growing again.” But what’s not apparent from the ad is that Obama said that in May 2010, a few days after the Bureau of Labor Statistics reported that the economy had added 290,000 new jobs the month before (later revised downward slightly to 277,000). But listeners might get the idea that the president said it recently.

    – Brooks Jackson

    • Jibbs

      Tuesday, December 7, 2010
      San Fransisco Fed. Says Stimulus Was A Huge Waste

      According to, the President’s website designed to track the stimulus plan, the $800 Billion plus porkulous bill passed in February 2009 is responsible for 3,348,813 jobs. According to a new analysis conducted by the San Fransisco office of the Federal Reserve, the president’s projection is off by only 3,348,813 jobs. That’s correct The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 created exactly zero permanent jobs.

      Those of us who are still unemployed or even those who simply watch the unemployment numbers know that the stimulus bill was a failure, but what this study shows is that we could have saved the $800+ Billion. Jobs would have been almost the same and the federal deficit would have been in better shape. I say almost becase the plan did create short term jobs but they are long gone. The study also kills the Democratic party argument that we would have fallen into a depression without the Presidential porkage because for all intents and purposes, based on the effect of the plan, there was very little help to the economy:

      Wilson’s [SF Federal Reserve] study makes an important contribution to this debate by focusing on state-by-state comparisons. A large portion of stimulus funding at the state level was based on criteria that were entirely independent of the economic situation that states faced. For example, the number of existing highway miles was used to calculate additional transportation spending.

      The study uses this resulting variation in state-level stimulus funding to determine what impact ARRA funding had on employment — including both the direct impact of workers hired to complete planned projects, as well as any broader spillover effects resulting from greater government spending. Administration economists have repeatedly emphasized the importance of this indirect employment growth in driving economic recovery.
      The results suggest that though the program did result in 2 million jobs “created or saved” by March 2010, net job creation was statistically indistinguishable from zero by August of this year. Taken at face value, this would suggest that the stimulus program (with an overall cost of $814 billion) worked only to generate temporary jobs at a cost of over $400,000 per worker. Even if the stimulus had in fact generated this level of employment as a durable outcome, it would still have been an extremely expensive way to generate employment.
      It gets better, because the study also shows that stimulus generated federal assistance to state Medicaid plans may have cost jobs.

      One possibility is that requirements to maintain full Medicaid benefits in order to receive federal aid proved sufficiently expensive that state governments pushed though additional rounds of layoffs in non-health related areas.
      The report says cautions not to regard it as infallible but:

      The burden of proof is now increasingly on the side of fiscal stimulus advocates. It is easy to point out possible flaws in each of the studies mentioned here — though the biases may end up either exaggerating or diminishing the estimates of the effects of the stimulus. But where is the evidence that the 2009 ARRA fiscal stimulus enhanced employment recovery in a cost-effective and sustainable manner?

    • DaveH

      How can we have so much Poverty? I thought Big Government was going to cure that, Sgt?

      • AJ

        Oh my God has big government failed?

  • George Peck

    Social Security was originally conceived as a pyramid system, whereby the broad base supported the rest of it. So, what’s all the cotton pickin flap about what Perry said?

  • JeffH
    • DaveH

      It always goes back to “public safety” doesn’t it, Jeff? The politicians favorite excuse to trample our rights.

      • JeffH

        …seems to be a constant doesn’t it…

  • John

    Rick Perry Campaign Caught Trying to Censor Opposition

    For Immediate National Release

    September 28, 2011

    CONTACT: Americans for Legal Immigration PAC (ALIPAC)
    (866) 703-0864

    At least one official member of Rick Perry’s campaign for President asked Facebook to censor and remove an online ALIPAC invitation asking Americans who oppose in-state tuition for illegal immigrants to protest outside of a Perry fund raiser in Charlotte, NC on Thursday.

    Americans for Legal Immigration PAC (ALIPAC), the group reported widely in the national media predicting that “Rick Perry Is Finished” after stating his current support for in-state tuition for illegal immigrants during the last debate, has called for a protest outside of Rick Perry’s $1000 per plate fund raiser at the San Antonio Modern Mexican Restaurant in Charlotte, NC. 11:30am-1:30pm Thursday, September 29, at 4331 Barclay Downs Dr.

    ALIPAC created a Facebook event invitation last night to invite the group’s thousands of online supporters on Facebook to attend.

    Facebook Event: Protest Rick Perry and His Support For Illegal Immigration

    This morning, ALIPAC captured screen shots proving that Clint Cox, who is the Washington State social media coordinator for Americans for Rick Perry’s Super Pac ‘Americans for Perry’, used the ‘Report’ feature to ask Facebook to delete the event.

    The Facebook report feature asks users to report postings for harassment, Scams, ‘Hate Speech’, Violence, or Sexually explicit content. Once the reporter selects one of those options they can then notify the target of their protest.

    William Gheen, President of ALIPAC, received two copies of reports from Perry Campaign operative or employee Clint Cox and from a Christine “Chris” Warren that state, “I found this event offensive. Please remove the event or content posted that may potentially be harmful.”

    As documented in the screen shots ALIPAC is releasing today, William Gheen responded to Mr. Cox saying, “This is a political event and your attempt to have Facebook censor our event because you disagree is reprehensible.”

    Clint Cox then replied “Your a liar and deserve to be censored…people are on to you!”

    Americans for Legal Immigration PAC calls on Rick Perry to direct his campaign supporters or employees to not engage in censorship and false accusations on behalf of his floundering campaign.

    “Americans who represent the 81% of US Citizens found in Rasmussen Reports polling to oppose Rick Perry’s in-state tuition for illegal aliens subsidy have a right to speak out, assemble, and protest his events and stances without attempted censorship,” said William Gheen. “The fact that an official member of Americans 4 Rick Perry tried to have our Facebook event deleted claiming we were “harassment, Scam, ‘Hate Speech’, Violence, or Sexually explicit content” is very inappropriate.”

    Shortly after these false reports were filed by Rick Perry’s campaign, William Gheen was blocked from inviting his remaining Facebook friends to the event.

    The Des Moines Register reports that Rick Perry’s wife is in Iowa today trying to limit the damages to his campaign by excusing his recent support for in-state tuition for illegal aliens.

    “Anita Perry also defended in-state college tuition for the children of illegal immigrants, saying the Texas Legislature thought it was a choice between educating the youths or having them go on welfare. ”

    Americans for Legal Immigration PAC opposes both welfare benefits and in-state tuition for illegal aliens as do hypermajorities of American citizens.

    “Texas should not be giving welfare or college tuition to illegal immigrants,” said William Gheen. “The fact that Rick Perry and his wife support both are strong reasons for GOP voters to reject his candidacy.”

    According to Zogby polling, Rick Perry’s support levels have dropped 19% in reaction to his comments during the recent debates.

    Rasmussen polling released today indicates that “…a plurality (44%) says Perry is not qualified for the job.”

    Americans for Legal Immigration PAC will protest Rick Perry’s fund raiser in Charlotte tomorrow and then call on GOP, Tea Party, Patriot, and Immigration Enforcement groups across America to protest every Perry event they can to warn voters of his unpopular support for illegal immigration.

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    More info on perry and Obama
    Perry sex scandals look up Robert Morrow and TYC sex child sex scandal cover by freein Tx on You tube
    Perry shady land deals. Perry sell out Texas!

  • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

    Off the debate but good news

    Senior Al Qaeda leader Anwar al-Awlaki and another America-born militant were killed in Yemen early Friday morning by a CIA-led U.S. drone strike, marking the highest-profile takedown of terror leaders since the raid on Usama bin Laden’s compound.
    Fox News has learned that two Predator drones hovering above al-Awlaki’s convoy fired the Hellfire missiles which killed the terror leader. According to a senior U.S. official, the operation was carried out by Joint Special Operations Command, under the direction of the CIA.

    Read more:

  • Polski

    Social Security is NOT a Ponzi scheme. It’s the insurance that was stolen by the crooks that are called Congress and President. All the money that belonged to Social Security was stolen and put into the GENERAL FUND.

    • Jeep

      You guys are driving me nuts! “Social Security” is just the common name for the Old-Age, Survivors, and Disability Insurance (OASDI) program. It sends money to a number of different programs that have nothing to do with old age or retirement. Everything from childrens insurance to housing is covered under OASDI. The last time I checked, babies do not work, nor do they contribute to OASDI. All you progressive weirdos argue as if the program only provided a “retirement check”. Get it right! Plenty of people receive benefits (i.e. stolen money) that have NEVER paid into the system.

      • JeffH

        Jeep, to add to that… Germany became the first nation in the world to adopt an old-age social insurance program in 1889, designed by Germany’s Chancellor, Otto von Bismarck. The idea was first put forward, at Bismarck’s behest, in 1881 by Germany’s Emperor, William the First, in a ground-breaking letter to the German Parliament. William wrote: “. . .those who are disabled from work by age and invalidity have a well-grounded claim to care from the state.”

        • Jeep

          Well put JeffH, and those are models I want to follow…not!

    • Jibbs

      And you can thank LBJ for that ripoff.

    • coal miner


      Rick Perry is getting some heat again this week for referring Social Security as a Ponzi scheme.

    • Bob Livingston

      Dear Polski,

      Social Security is worse than a Ponzi scheme because Charles Ponzi could not force people to buy into his scheme, whereas that is exactly what happens in the case of Social Security. The money going into the system now is being used to pay people who have already retired (or otherwise qualified), which is the definition of a Ponzi scheme.

      Best wishes,

    • http://Liberty Tony

      To Polski:
      You’re absolutely correct. The sad thing is these misguided individuals here can’t figure it out!! Thanks!!

    • newspooner

      See my earlier post.

  • Retired Tax man

    Let’s get to the point of the Ponzi scheme of Social Security….Not one politician trying for the big game, has really addressed why Social Security has become the Ponzi scheme…
    Going back…Social Security deductions from both the employee and the employers share went DIRECTLY into the Social Security account.
    Then came along Lindon Johnson (D), who had those payments go into the general fund and an IOU to the Social Security account.
    Why….well these monies have been diverted into Ponzi schemes, such as:

    The Witness Program comes from Social Security…they reactive a dead contribution who had paid in the maximum and had no survivors (spouse or children) to draw the money…thus this wonderful witness received a check, now direct deposit into his new identity account.
    At the same time they get a new Social Security number and if employed or had earned income, paid with the deductions…and reaching the magic age, draw another deposit.

    Next scheme: GOVERNMENT informants are paid out of this fund…both domestic and foreign….

    Next scheme: Foreigners (parents of foreigners who became citizens) and are over 65 qualify for Social Security…wonder how many of the UNers get a Social Security check/deposit….

    When they audited Social Security and found that hundreds of millions are paid out to dead people, guess they didn’t say which of the dead got the money….a fraud or a witness protection live one.

    And there are Hundreds of schemes that are paid out of the fund

    Remember before Lindon Johnson, there was over a trillion dollars in the fund, but since then….it sort of has gotten depleted…best you pay into it until you die….if you reach the age to collect…cut off the medicare and these people will die and have more money available to the Government to spend of your contributions.

    Want to solve it and bring back the jobs…the corporations that have outsourced jobs overseas to make their goods to come back in….they, the employers have to pay their share of the contributions of the salaries paid to these oursource people in foreign countries….THERE WOULD GO THE BONUSES….and bring back the clerical and low paying mechanical jobs….THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN…

    To get back on track, make it ILLEGAL TO LOBBY….aka LEGAL BRIBERY…


  • DaveH

    Chicago-style politics at their finest:;_ylt=AmHLXh0lSXtft7Hr7BD7PjW7YWsA;_ylu=X3oDMTE1NHI5YTVsBHBvcwMzBHNlYwN0b3BTdG9yaWVzBHNsawNzZWNmaW5kc2ZhaWw-?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=main&asset=&ccode=

    “Two of the three largest firms, for example, did not have specific policies in place to manage conflicts of interest when rating an offering from an issuer who is also a large shareholder of the firm”

    Duh, did they have a policy in place when rating the power-hungry Big Government? That’s there biggest problem — not enough of that sucking sound.

  • Karolyn

    What happened? Everything posted since 8 a.m. is gone! This site is going loony-tunes lately!

    • Bob Livingston

      Dear Karolyn and other readers,

      Our team is continuing to work to remedy the technical problems we have been experiencing lately. Some of the work on the site’s infrastructure may have caused some comments to be unintentionally deleted. If you notice one or more of your comments have disappeared and there is no chance that it did so because it violated our comment policy, please bring it to our attention.


      • DaveH

        You are doing a great job. Don’t let those who are never grateful get to you.

  • FreedomFighter

    These guys wont fix anything. Prepare.

    Both have been vetted by the G20, correct me if im wrong but I am not.

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

  • bob wire
  • Karolyn

    Many of the comments are mixed up today. when I posted about everything being gone, it was true. There were only 9 posts; and only when I posted my comment, did everything come back!

    • Capitalist at Birth

      karolyn, I would prefer that you never post here again. It is a waste of time to read your drivel.

      • bob wire

        Well I for one sure enjoy Karylon posting , they are as welcome as a breath of fresh air after you have manage to stumble through and stink up the place.

        Capitalist at Birth is an absurd notion that reeks of a braggart at play.

        You might wish to take your leave Sir if anyone here is obliged to hand out invitation.

      • Karolyn

        Well, pardon me! Like a really care what you prefer? Don’t red my comments! One man’s drivel is another man’s pearls!

        “Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.” Einstein


    If there are so many jobs in Texas, I wish my son could find one.
    He lives in the Colony, TX and his email is:

    • Mary

      Where is Colony, Texas? We live in Mission, Texas, and there seems to be plenty of employment here. Also, petroleum is being drilled all over West Texas. Depends on what he is willing to do to earn a buck.

      • eddie47d

        Take that all you naysayers who keep saying this country isn’t doing any drilling. I’ve pointed that out for other states also.

  • JeffH

    Just a reminder…PLD has been trying to sort out the internet/website problems and, if nothing else, we all must show some patience.

  • Word

    Chip you really worry me. You still consider Perry a viable choice. He is an elite who sold his soul the NWO crowd long ago. Ron Paul is the only choice if you want a country for your grand children. for the truth about Perry, Romney and Cain.

  • Jay

    For a long time, American politics has been defined by a Left/Right dynamic. It was Liberals versus Conservatives on a variety of issues. Pro-Life versus Pro-Choice, Tax Cuts vs. More Spending, Pro-War vs Peaceniks, Environmental Protections vs. Economic Growth, Pro-Union vs. Union-Free, Gay Marriage vs. Family Values, School Choice vs. Public Schools, Regulation vs. Free Markets.

    The new dynamic, however, has moved past the old Left Right paradigm. We now live in an era defined by increasing Corporate influence and authority over the individual. These two “interest groups” have been on a headlong collision course for decades, which came to a head with the financial collapse and bailouts.

    Where there is massive concentrations of wealth and influence, there will be abuse of power. The Individual has been supplanted in the political process nearly entirely by corporate money, legislative influence, campaign contributions, even free speech rights.

    This may not be a brilliant insight, but it is surely an overlooked one. It is now an Individual vs. Corporate debate – and the Humans are losing.


    • Many of the regulations that govern energy and banking sector were written by Corporations;

    • The biggest influence on legislative votes is often Corporate Lobbying;

    • Corporate ability to extend copyright far beyond what original protections amounts to a taking of public works for private corporate usage;

    • PAC and campaign finance by Corporations has supplanted individual donations to elections;

    • The individuals’ right to seek redress in court has been under attack for decades, limiting their options.

    • DRM and content protection undercuts the individual’s ability to use purchased content as they see fit;

    • Patent protections are continually weakened. Deep pocketed corporations can usurp inventions almost at will;

    • The Supreme Court has ruled that Corporations have Free Speech rights equivalent to people; (So much for original intent!)

    None of these are Democrat/Republican conflicts, but rather, are corporate vs. individual issues.

    For those of you who are stuck in the old Left/Right debate, you are missing the bigger picture. Consider this about the Bailouts: It was a right-winger who bailed out all of the big banks, Fannie Mae, and AIG in the first place; then his left winger successor continued to pour more money into the fire pit.

    What difference did the Left/Right dynamic make? Almost none whatsoever.

    How about government spending? The past two presidents are regarded as representative of the Left Right paradigm – yet they each spent excessively, sponsored unfunded tax cuts, plowed money into military adventures and ran enormous deficits. Does Left Right really make a difference when it comes to deficits and fiscal responsibility? (Apparently not).

    What does it mean when we can no longer distinguish between the actions of the left and the right? If that dynamic no longer accurately distinguishes what occurs, why are so many of our policy debates framed in Left/Right terms?

    In many ways, American society is increasingly less married to this dynamic: Party Affiliation continues to fall, approval of Congress is at record lows, and voter participation hovers at very low rates.

    There is some pushback already taking place against the concentration of corporate power: Mainstream corporate media has been increasingly replaced with user created content – YouTube and Blogs are increasingly important to news consumers (especially younger users). Independent voters are an increasingly larger share of the US electorate. And I suspect that much of the pushback against the Elizabeth Warren’s concept of a Financial Consumer Protection Agency plays directly into this Corporate vs. Individual fight.

    But the battle lines between the two groups have barely been drawn. I expect this fight will define American politics over the next decade.

    Keynes vs Hayek? Friedman vs Krugman? Those are the wrong intellectual debates. Its you vs. Tony Hayward, BP CEO, You vs. Lloyd Blankfein, Goldman Sachs CEO. And you are losing . . .

    This short commentary was conceived not to be an exhaustive research, but rather, to stimulate debate. There are many more examples and discussions we can have about this, and I hope readers do so in comments.

    But my bottom line is this: If you see the world in terms of Left & Right, you really aren’t seeing the world at all . . .

    • Karolyn

      Thank you, Jay!

    • JeffH

      …and there you have it, the heart of “crony capitalism”…

  • Jay

    Diebold voting machines can be hacked by remote control

    Exclusive: A laboratory shows how an e-voting machine used by a third of all voters can be easily manipulated

    It could be one of the most disturbing e-voting machine hacks to date.

    Voting machines used by as many as a quarter of American voters heading to the polls in 2012 can be hacked with just $10.50 in parts and an 8th grade science education, according to computer science and security experts at the Vulnerability Assessment Team at Argonne National Laboratory in Illinois. The experts say the newly developed hack could change voting results while leaving absolutely no trace of the manipulation behind.

    “We believe these man-in-the-middle attacks are potentially possible on a wide variety of electronic voting machines,” said Roger Johnston, leader of the assessment team “We think we can do similar things on pretty much every electronic voting machine.”

    The Argonne Lab, run by the Department of Energy, has the mission of conducting scientific research to meet national needs. The Diebold Accuvote voting system used in the study was loaned to the lab’s scientists by, of which the Brad Blog is a co-founder. Velvet Revolution received the machine from a former Diebold contractor

    Previous lab demonstrations of e-voting system hacks, such as Princeton’s demonstration of a viral cyber attack on a Diebold touch-screen system — as I wrote for Salon back in 2006 — relied on cyber attacks to change the results of elections. Such attacks, according to the team at Argonne, require more coding skills and knowledge of the voting system software than is needed for the attack on the Diebold system.

  • eddie47d

    Dave: Oink Oink

  • Clint

    Perry is scary and I hope he lynches his own campaign. Ron Paul is probably the most logical and fair candidate the Republicans have running. Paul has the immigration issue dead on. No benefits and they will go home. If people quit hiring the people standing outside home centers looking for work, they will have no choice but to move elsewhere. The real problem, people want their cake and want to eat it too. They loved cheap products from China till all our production left the country. They loved cheap labor from illegals, till there are no jobs available. Well, are you happy now? The price of products are going up, because the Chinese are now standing up and striking for better wages. The illegals are taking our jobs away and the jobs that are left, they are beginning to pay less and less or becoming part time positions with no benefits. Who do we thank for this? Here’s a hint, a lot of them are running the country or are in charge of large companies and organizations; such as sports franchises of all sorts for one. We are in need of a major overhaul, Perry, Romney, Gingrich, Obama are all run of the mill flim flam men. We need a REAL Candidate to bring about REAL change.

  • Cheri Ofner

    Perry is right! SS is a ponzi scheme!I have said for years let us keep the money going to SS and invest on our own! We would have several times the amount we will have from SS!

    • Mark M. Mason

      Perry has never been right and if you bothered to learn the truth abour soical security you woudl know that a super fund was supposed to pay benifits from the interest only. Then the big Democrap congress saw all that money sitting there and put it in the general fund so they could buy votes to stay at their jobs. It was a good idea to help some people but the crooks took a hand in it and screwed it up as usual…. Semper Fi God Bless America

  • hitthedeck

    The taboo of a politician speaking about Social Security never ceases to amaze me. Social security is the Democrats first holy commandment and they have made it sinful to take its name in vein. God forbid that Governor Perry called it a ponzi scheme! The lighting strikes from the left and right is lighting up a bigger fire than the one that is burning in Texas. Like the old saying said-(it hurts to tell the truth!) The best way to change social security that could possibly save it would to use the old democratic trick and change its name. Don’t change it for the people that are on it now or people that are now sixty years old. For anyone under the age of sixty change them over to Social Security retirement insurance. This means that anyone retiring at the age of sixty five would require a means test determining their need for financial retirement insurance for a level of payment above the poverty limit to live a dignified life. Those people that retire with a good private or company retirement plan and have property with good savings account would get a tax break and only be eligible for Social insurance if they fall below the poverty line. Social disability would fall under a different program requiring physical disabilities that require financial assistance. All the other social programs that have been branded as so called entitlements will go to a welfare fund completely separate from the insurance fund. The truthful need of a citizen can be determined by a fair system. There is no reward and no favoritism.

  • hitthedeck

    I am posting this again for comment! The taboo of a politician speaking about Social Security never ceases to amaze me. Social security is the Democrats first holy commandment and they have made it sinful to take its name in vein. God forbid that Governor Perry called it a ponzi scheme! The lighting strikes from the left and right is lighting up a bigger fire than the one that is burning in Texas. Like the old saying said-(it hurts to tell the truth!) The best way to change social security that could possibly save it would to use the old democratic trick and change its name. Don’t change it for the people that are on it now or people that are now sixty years old. For anyone under the age of sixty change them over to Social Security retirement insurance. This means that anyone retiring at the age of sixty five would require a means test determining their need for financial retirement insurance for a level of payment above the poverty limit to live a dignified life. Those people that retire with a good private or company retirement plan and have property with good savings account would get a tax break and only be eligible for Social insurance if they fall below the poverty line. Social disability would fall under a different program requiring physical disabilities that require financial assistance. All the other social programs that have been branded as so called entitlements will go to a welfare fund completely separate from the insurance fund. The truthful need of a citizen can be determined by a fair system. There is no reward and no favoritism.

    • Sage

      This is a sensible proposal for discussion. Gave me more to think about. Thanks

  • hitthedeck

    It would be very respectful for those that use this site for their personal e-mail communication to use regular e-mail to shoot the crap about subjects that have nothing to do about the original topic that the rest of us are trying to discuss. I could say please if that would help.

  • Daniel from TN

    Perry’s campaign will probably be dissolved before Christmas for one simple reason. Everytime he speaks he shoves his foot further and further in his mouth.

    • Erik

      Hey Dan,You’re exactly right!Perry is a complete fraud!Can’t wait until that phoney comes crashing down!In my opinion like it or not ,the only real chance we have is for romney to win the nomination.I’m not crazy about him,but Ifeel he could beat obumer hands down.I’m waiting to see if the gop is going to commit suicide like they did with McCain! Are they going to nominate another lame duck,and in so doing bury this country once and for all? BTW,whoever embraces the “Ryan Plan” is as good as dead in this race.The Ryan plan is for rich people,and not the middle class.This country would collapse if the republicans put this plan into motion.I hope they don’t hand this election to Obumer in doing so!

  • Mad Max

    Wake up America. There’s still time.

    OsiXs (Revolution 2.0)

  • RHalstead

    Although I’m not a fan of his, I agree with Rick Perry on SS. We don’t need to just fix it, we need to replace it with private retirement accounts. The market averages between 10 and 11% long term and will continue to do so “If the present administration” does not mess up the system to the point of being beyond recovery which I somethings think they are doing intentionally to create a situation ripe for socialism.

    SS cost me a lot of money. Had I been able to invest that money as I did a little extra I could have retired in style instead of receiving a small SS check each month.

    People have to get over the idea that they are guaranteed anything and have to work for what they get. It takes education for those starting out in the work force to put aside money for retirement and often education isn’t enough. IF those just starting out would not use credit to boost their standard of living artificially and stick to things they can afford they would eventually end up with a much higher standard of living. Interest is purely wasted money.

    Of course the younger still need to have a positive attitude toward education instilled as that is likely to determine what their standard of living will be for the rest of their lives.

  • Robert

    My dear good people, how can we possibly judge this man, Gov. Perry, from Texas??? There’s an old saying goes something like this; How can we judge a tree, til we know what fruit it provides…either good fruit or bad fruit…Do we really know Gov Perry? I have heard some really heart felt deep stories about this very caring, patriotic American…guess that makes him pretty good fruit…just a thought!

  • John Martin

    The problem with American social security system is it is not self-funded. That is, it is not a traditional pension plan where premiums are set so as to ensure that future liabilities are met. The Canada Pension Plan, for example, is a genuine pension plan. Premiums are recommended by the board of governors of the plan and the government usually follows those recommendations. The process is as de-politicized as it can be given that it is a government program and the government has to determine the premium level. As a result, CPP is perfectly solvent while the U.S. social security system is a huge drag on American government’s finances. Obviously no American politician can suggest the U.S. follow the Canadian example (that would be socialism!) so we catch phrases like “ponzi scheme” instead. Unfortunately too many U.S. voters- egged on by FoxNews- are babies- they want to believe in bogey men (socialism!) rather than examining issues based on their merits. You want to fix social security? Pay for it! You want to fix the government deficit? Start by eliminating the tax cuts that caused government revenues to flatten since 2000. 1999 was a pretty good year in America. The government had a big surplus and the economy was healthy. Then came Bush and his tax cuts and endless wars and- what do you know- there’s now a $1.5 trillion deficit. Stop being babies people: tax cuts + massive increases in military spending = huge deficits. It’s pretty simple, even for a country with math scores as bad as America’s.

  • ron

    Tell you grannies that SS is a ponzi scheme. It’s like that for Perry because he will never have to depend on SS. Dick Army, Cheney, Bush, Cantor, and a host of other RICH Americans will not have to depend on it. They do want to make money off your backs by letting you invest in Wall Street bull that you could loose all of your money (savings) while they make a killing. SS is simple math, the lees you have in the job market the less goes into the kitty. That which is already there should not be raided tom pay for unjust wars for invisible WMD’s. Rick Perry is an idiot, which makes him attractive to people like Pallin, Dick Army and a host of others who will never have to depend on SS. They have their eye on your prize and have haft the battle won because they have convinced some to vote against their own interest. Do you really think the Koch brothers care about you in your old age? They will however be glad to invest your savings while at the same time enjoying a big tax advantage. Talk about class warfare.

  • Concerned

    Good!!! protect SSS and Medicare. If the GOP has their way, pensions would be on the chopping block also.


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