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Americans Increasingly Disagree With Obama’s Policies, Polls Show

October 30, 2009 by  

Americans increasingly disagree with Obama's policies, polls show A pair of new opinion polls has found President Obama’s policy ratings among Americans are slipping, though he remains personally popular.

The first survey, released by the CNN/Opinion Research Corporation on Oct. 20 suggests 51 percent of respondents disagree with Obama on main issues. This marks the first time a majority has expressed such opinion since he took office last January.

However, the poll also found that two-thirds of Americans have a positive opinion about his personal qualities.

"This president might be shaping up to be a little like Ronald Reagan, where people actually didn’t often agree with [his] ideas, but they loved the guy," said Paul Begala, a Democratic strategist and CNN contributor, quoted by the news provider.

Meanwhile, the poll prepared by Gallup suggest Obama’s job approval ratings averaged 53 percent in the third quarter, down from the average of over 60 percent during his first two quarters in office.

Gallup says the president’s ratings were the highest on Jan. 21, 2009—the day of his inauguration—when 69 percent of Americans expressed their approval of him.
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  • Sovereign Citizen

    With Exactly WHO is he popular? Illegals he wants to make citizens or subjects to vote for him next election?
    With democ Rats that hate America and American Sovereignty? Don’t these people realize that when their so called leader has sold out all of America that THEIR sovereignty is GONE as well??? Is it a pandemic of Stupidity???? Is there a vaccine for THAT? How about a big Pharma DRUG??? They are doing everything possible to DRUG and kill or otherwise cause to be non functional, every American they can give their poisons too!!!
    Is he popular with his czars who are NOT contstutionally placed in position…or do each of these anti American Socialist Progressives all want a crack at the corrupted and shamed seat in the w house? I would just like to know who it is that SLEEPs through the WORST leadership this nation has EVER had imposed on it!It certainly is not the working Citizens, the Jobless Citizens, The Decieved and Shafted Citizens! It certainly is NOT the poor and poorer Citizens. It is not the Constitution loving and Defending Sovereign Citizens of the Sovereign 50 States United! What a crock of Crap! Get rid of all of them including the congress and senate that have aided and abetted this disastorous excuse for what ever he calls himself these days!

    • Don

      Amen, amen, amen. Nuff said.

    • Medina, Fl.

      Bravo, Bravo, Sovereign citizen! We must throw all the bums out who are just serving themselves, not the hardworking honest responsible citizens. Seems they think we are needed only when their re-election time comes, so I hope and pray all are remembered at just that time to to clean the house completely and let them know we are NO fools or idiots who can’t see what they had done to our great country and its citizens. May our Almighty God opens every eye and ear in the whole country to elect real Patriotic, Honest, Responsible, Moral heroes and who can tell the truth; candidates who keep their word to the citizens who had gave the seat of power in the government.

      • Top Hat

        As I understand it Obama is about to sign some form of tready that will make our constition Void. We will not have a vote, nor any other freedom we have enjoyed. Both parties have been moving in this direction for several years. Now Obama is about to sign a tready that we assure one world rule, and we will not have any thing to say about it if we let it happen!!! Warning, If we do not oppose this now the only alturnitive we will have is ARMED resistance. Are we going to let it go that far???

        • Norm

          Where do you get this stuff? Even hate radio wouls laugh.

          • Rita

            Tophat is correct. Read up on the Copenhagen Treaty. Not only does it nullify our constitution and the similar documents of other countries foolhardy enough to sign it, it also decrees that the “rich” nations must pay the “poor” nations 2-1/2% of their GNP. Who are the poor countries? China, Russia, African continent. This is the climate control bill. I hate to let my ultra-conservative side pop out here, but Glenn Beck on Fox News is TODAY spending his whole hour-long show on just this topic. Former Ambassador John Bolton is one of his guests and a British Lord who is traveling the world warning of the dire consequences of this Treaty.

        • Wayne Keel – V Vet

          Top Hat, I don’t think it would take much convincing to get you to share my point of view of going to DC and demanding our country back before next election. That’s the only choice we have and we are not alone in our thinking.
          Robert, you are right about Texas seceding from the Union, and I would think Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, and other mountain states, as well as the grain belt, would also go with us. I hope it doesn’t get to that point, because we would all be on a time bomb pending the total collapse of the U.S. This is already taking place with extremist muslims stationed all over the country just waiting for the word from their leaders. We’re all going to have front row seats when it happens. God help us all!!

          • denniso

            Wayne..WOW!!!

      • http://hotmail venice

        Moral heros, here we come!!!!!!!!!!!!! Show us the facts and stop lieinnnnnnnnnnng to us!

    • JeffH

      This man stands for everything that is not America.

      • Norm

        JeffH
        Who appointed you the authority on what’s American. Your an Anarchist.

        • JeffH

          I guess you now think I can’t voice my opinion, FOOL! Just like all of the lefty liberals, want to suppress free speach. Try entertaining ourself as a target at the shooting range. You’ll be more productive.

          • JeffH

            yourself

        • American Citizen

          Living off the government is UNAmerican. Government taking over businesses is UNAmerican. Mandating what businesses pay their employees is UNAmerican. Telling the schools what to teach is UNAmerican.
          American stands for freedom, the freedom of the individual to succeed or fail. We are supposed to help one another, not depend upon the Federal Government. Putting this country into debt to other countries is UNAmerican. Laying trillions of dollars of debt on future generations is UNAmerican. So much more is happening that is UNAmerican it’s hard to say it all here. So much that is UNConstitutional we are in danger of losing our Constitution.
          I am looking forward to help vote out those who are helping to destroy this country.

    • Valverde

      It is intriguing the way BO argues with those who disagree with him. He gets really, really upset and calls them names which makes me want to get those rascally people who disagree with our Jefe. NOT! Now, he’s going on about some citizen who was so foolish as to say his Cash For Crappers was ill-conceived. So, what does the great BO do? Says, “Was not!” Really convinces me, yeah. I think I’ll go to Dee troit and get me some of them Obama Bucks. BO should applaud that. Oh, and don’t forget all the ire expended on FoxNews. That really convinced me not to watch Fox anymore. Yeah, right. They must be doing something right if BO gets that mad at ‘em. In the meantime, keep after the so-and-so about his legality as Pres of our country. Better yet, get him a bigger shovel so he can dig his grave faster, or better a power shovel.

    • Dora

      Sovereign Citizen: You said it 100% right. WE MUST vote those socialist/marxist/communist in the halls of congress OUT of office. I just hope it is not too late for America for us to do it. Obama is undoubtedly a Marxist and he wants to destroy the capitalist system in the America. I pulled a list of the Socialist Democrats of America a few years back and of the Progressive Caucus which I understand is a communist organization. Leaving out the people that are not in Congress anymore the names on that list were:Eni Faleomavaega, Ed Pastor, Lynn Woolsey, George Miller, Nancy Pelosi, Barbara Lee, Pete Stark, Henry Waxmam, Xavier Becerra, Maxine Waters, Bob Filner, Diana DeGette, Eleanor Holmes Norton, Corrine Brown, Alcee Hastings, John Lewis, Neil Abercrombie, Bobby Lee Rush, Jesse Jackson, Jr., Luis Gutierrez, Danny Davis, John Olver, James McGovern, Barney Frank, John F. Tierney, Michael Capuano, Lynn Rivers, John Conyers, Jr., Bennie Thompson, Melvin Watt, Donald Payne, Jerrold Nadler, Major Owens, Nydia Velazquez, Charles Rangel, Maurice Hinchey, Marcy Kaptur, Dennis Kucinich, Sherrod Brown, Peter DeFazio, Chaka Fattah, William Coyne, Sheila Jackson Lee, Robert Scott, Bernie Sanders, James McDermott, and Tammy Baldwin.

      I hope everybody reading this will copy those names and send them to ALL their contact list so we can VOTE them OUT. We don’t need Socialist and Communist and Marxist taking over in this nation.

      • Rod the Other

        Voting just this list out would get a lot of the cancerous matter out of office!

        Now we need to make a lost of all the Repubs that need to go…I vote Lyndsey Grahm, Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins, and McCann to start the list.

      • eyeswideopen

        Dora, so you can’t think of any Republicans that haven’t served their office to the detriment of the average American? Oh, that’s right our party is perfect. LMAO

        • Rod the Other

          EYES…that wasn’t the point of her post (at least not they way I took it).
          To correct a problem in a system you have to start where things are most problematic and that list she gave was the worst of the worst without regard to party. Those within that list have done far more damage to our democracy than any others by far!

          ALSO EYES…Watch out, that veiled disguise you are wearing in begining to thin even more….Your no “former Repub”.

    • Vic Bailey, Auburn, Georgia

      What these Bama people still don’t understand is the old but truthful saying, “If It Sounds Too Good To Be True, IT IS!!!!” What happened to all the people that thought this bumb could walk on water? All he can do is take his wife to and from NYC on dates, buzzing the city with airforce one.

    • Linda L Hill

      I decided when Obama was elected President, although I did not vote for him because I thought McCain would be a better bet, to forget all that; to accept and indorce him. However, now that I have watched him in action along with his Czars and their agendas, I want that Man out of office. He is ruining our country. Stand Up Americans, this cannot go on any longer.

    • Bigvinu

      God… People, Obama is not some demon communist. He is just trying to have the best course of action for the United States, like any statesman. That’s what George Bush wanted, that’s what Jimmy Carter wanted, that’s what any President wanted.

      That said, I don’t think Obama is succeeding with his policies (mainly because many aren’t good policies) but I don’t think he’s some crazed communist in disguise.

      • Rod the Other

        Then your not paying attention…Obama does not want what’s best for this nation as defined by adherance to the Constituion. He wants a one world socialist Government. Look at who he surrounds himself with.

        • Laura

          He is inexperienced and niave. You can tell by his interaction with anyone oposed to him. He is like many younger people, that think they are entitled to the best without doing anything to earn it. They cannot contemplate the consequences of their actions/programs because they were never required to face any failures. They were “bailed out” by their parents. No wonder “bail outs” is the solution to everything.

          Parents, please, let your children fail. Pick them up, dust them off, help them recover. Let them know you are proud of the effort. Teach them that it’s not so bad to fail. We learn more from failure than from success.

          I also think that the liberal congress is exerting great pressure on him. I hope he doesn’t intend to destroy our Republic, but it certainly does look like we are headed that way.

          • JeffH

            Laura, I have to disagree with your comment. Obama is not the least bit “naive”. What is transpiring in front of every American is exactly what he believes in. He was hand picked for this job many, many years ago, with very careful planning and support. Obama could never pull this off on his own, without his Harvard Law School education being funded with the assistance of radical Muslim activist and mentor Khalid Al-Mansour and mentoring by the notable J Wright, Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn, Frank Marshall Davis. His ideals mirror the influential philanthropist billionaire and anti-American financial backer George Soros.

        • denniso

          Rod..Just looked in and what do I find?? MORE NONSENSE!!Obama wants a one world socialist gov’t?? Wow! I actually thought Bushie left enough of a mess behind for Obama to fix that he didn’t have time to be hatching his evil plan for one world socialist gov’t…silly me and smart you. Thanks for the heads up.

          • Rod the Other

            Denniso…Is that sarcasim?

          • denniso

            Rod, Sarcasm?? could be..it’s as good as FACT that Obama DOES NOT HAVE A PLAN FOR ONE WORLD GOV’T!!! This country is almost ungovernable,thanks to the kind of hate and vitriol we see on this site. how would any entity control the world? wake up!

          • Rod the Other

            It took you two days to come up with that crap? YOu must be scraping the bottom of the barrel. Or, the DNC was busy with the East cost elections and couldn’t get a response back to you fast enough.

            Why is it fact?…Because DENNISO-THE-DECIDER hath bequethed it? Take a look at the Copenhagen agreement MORON! Through share taxing alone, based on the GDP, the US economy can be controlled or even SHUT DOWN!

          • American Patriot

            dennyo IS SO WRONG AND BLIND IF HE CAN NOT SEE THE TRUETH EVEN IS SOMEONE PAINTED HIM A PICTURE.!!. THAT THIS MONSTER BARBARICK INSANE OBAMDA AMERICAN CAMPAIN , FOR WHAT IT REALLY IS , THIS MORON PRESIDENT AND HIS MARKIST COMMUNIST APPOINTED CZARS ARE ON A PATH FULL STEAM AHEAD AND RUN OVER ANYONE WHO GETS IN THEIR WAY.!!!!!. LET ME MAKE THE ALREADY OBVIOUS PREDICTION THAT THIS MORON WILL GO DOWN , IN ALL TERMS AS THE WORST PRESIDENT IN USA. HISTORY.!!!!!!!. THIS DICTATOR THE AMERICAN TRADER AND HIS COMMUNIST ADMINISTRATION IS ON A DESTROY AMERICA CAMPAIGN.!!!! YOU CERTAINLY HAVE TO BE DUMB, BLIND, STUPID AND NOT ABLE TO READ.!!!. IF YOU CAN READ , THEN READ THE HORRIFIC POLICIES THAT THE OBAMDA ADMINISTRATION ALREADY RAMED DOWN THE THROATS OF THE AMERICAN CITIZENS.!!!. I CAN NOT WAIT TO RAM PINK SLIPS DOWN HIS THROAT IN 2012.!!!!!.. THATS WHEN AMERICA TAKES BACK ITS SOVEREIGHTY , FREEDOMS AND LIBERTIES.!!!. I CAN ONLY GUESS THAT denny HAS SOME REAL ISSUES OF NOT BEING AWARE OF ITS SURROUNDINGS , OR MAYBE IT HAS ALREADY EATEN ITS YOUNG.? Denny DON’T YOU CARE ABOUT THE CHILDREN AND THE FUTURE GENERATIONS TO COME.? WHAT ABOUT ALL THE TRILLIONS IN DEBT THAT WE ALREADY PASSED TO OUR CHILDREN AND FUTURE GENERATIONS.? THEY GAVE THIS MORON THE NOBEL PRIZE SO HE CAN MAGICALLY GET SOMETHING DONE UMM UMM UMM.!!! I WONDER WHAT GOOD THAT WILL BE , THE ONLY THING IT DID DO AND KNOWS HOW TO DO IS TAX AMERICA INTO THE GROUND, DESTROY THE DOLLAR AND THE ECONOMY ALL IN ONE SINGLE BOND.!!!. OBAMA HES SO GREAT , HES OUR MAN . HES GOING TO SAVE AMERICA UMM UMM UMM.????. THIS UNQUALIFIED IDIOT COULD NOT SAVE EVEN HIMSELF.!!!. LET ALONE SAVE AMERICA. THIS COWARD CAN NOT EVEN MAKE A RATIONAL DECCISSION TO SEND TROOPS TO FIGHT TERRORISM IN OTHER COUNTRIES , BECAUSE HES TOO BUSY CAMPAIGNING TOO GET HIMSELF RELECTED.!!!. OH ITS SUCH A HARD POLITICAL DECCISSION TO MAKE.!!! GOLLY GEE SHOULD I SEND TROOPS AND FIGHT TERRORISM OR SHOULD I CONTINUE TO DRAG MY NEANDERTHAL HANDS ON THE GROUND AND APPEASE THE LEFT WING RADICALS.?? WAKE UP AMERICA BEFORE ITS TO LATE TO SAVE AMERICA FROM THIS RADICAL LEFT WING ANIMAL THAT IS TRANSFORMING AMERICA INTO A COMMUNIST SOCIAL STATE.!!!!!. ITS TIME TO SEND A BIG MESSAGE TO WASHINGTON , THAT WE ARE TAKING BACK OUR FREE COUNTRY.!!!.DON’T BE FOOLED BY THE SMOOTH TALKING DICTATOR.!!! ITS TIME HE STARTS WORKING ON ALL THE PROMISE LIES HE MADE WHEN CAMPAIGNING FOR PRESIDENT/I MEAN DICTATOR.!!!!!!!.

            MAD AS HELL AMERICAN PATRIOT.

          • denniso

            A P..get a job..donate your time to charity..help kids..plant a tree..do something positive..take a walk..lower your blood pressure!!

    • American Patriot

      SOVEREIGN CITIZEN , IS CORRECT AND RIGHT ON THE MONEY.! AMERICA NEEDS TO WAKE UP TO WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON IN WASHINGTON DC. WE THE PEOPLE NEED TO TAKE BACK OUR HOUSE AND OUR SOVEREIGNTY .! ON JUDGEMENT DAY 2010/2012 WE SHALL HAND OUT PINK SLIPS TO ANYONE WHO IS NOT HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR SUPPORTING THE CONSTITUTION THAT MAKES THIS A FREE COUNTRY.!!. I THINK THE MESSAGE HAS ALREADY BEEN SENT AFTER THE MID TERM ELECTIONS NOV. 3,2009.!!. I PROMISE THE ARROGANT MORONS THAT VOTE FOR THIS HORRIFIC GOV. HEALTH CONTROL BILL , WILL BE COMMITING POLITICAL SUICIDE.!!. iT WILL BE A LANDSLIDE DECISSION AGINST THEM ON JUDGEMENT DAY ELECTIONS 2010/2012.!!!. WAKE UP AMERICA AND CALL ALL YOUR CONGRESSMEN AND REPRESENTATIVES AND WARN THEM ALL THAT WE ARE GOING TO HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS.!!!!.

      AMERICAN PATRIOT

      • denniso

        A P….First you changed my name 2 posts above in your rant..secondly, Obama can’t be ‘the worst president ever’, because that slot is already taken by your ally in arms, the absolute worst,most destructive and dumbest president ever in history,SHRUB jr …aka,Bush!

        • Blue

          Dear Dennyo,

          I must agree with A.P. He is quite informed of what is truly happening to and in this country, where we’re headed and has given a litany of facts which you should open your mind to and absorb. But in response, all you can do is criticize his spelling, saying he “used MORON too many times” and said that his use of HEH..HEH..HEH was incorrect. Well yes, HA..HA..HA is correct for a normal person but HEH..HEH..HEH is also correct for a MORON. Try listening to yourself. Sorry I had to do that. :-(

          Also, your denigration of Bush again, shows your lack of knowledge and is tiresome. Bush TRIED to work with a Democratic Congress but was hindered in every way, even to giving in at times, trying to get legitimate policies passed but for nine years he was bashed at every turn, even today, out of office, he’s STILL being abused. But heavens, we should NOT criticize BO, even though he truly IS out to destroy this country and if anyone who does some research will realize how smoothly he lies.

          I’m sure you’ll come back with some kind of “smart remark” ’cause that’s all you know how to do. Try doing some NON bias research instead. I’ll be impatiently waiting for your BRILLIANT response.

          • denniso

            Blue…AP said huh,huh,huh..not heh,heh,heh…to the rest of your ill informed rant I can’t say much,except,(word removed)

          • Blue

            Dennyo,

            Boy! You didn’t disappoint me!! :-)

      • usmadgirl

        American Patriot,

        I agree with everything you’ve said. I truly don’t like being a pessimist, but the issue that concerns me is the fear that we’re (Conservatives) not going to have a “snowball’s chance in H#@*” for 2010 or 2012. If Osama (Oh, sorry, I’m mean Obama) or should I say WHEN, he gives AMNESTY to at least 13 million ILLEGALS, how do you think THEY’LL vote? 13 million people having ACORN busing them to the polls to vote, is a landslide for the Dumb-o-crats! (God, HE’s on my TV AGAIN, still campaigning & lying AGAIN about the Health Care Crap that PASSED in the House last night that one IDIOTIC REPUBLICAN VOTED FOR! I’m just SICK!)

        The way he’s RUSHING everything through with his control in both the House & Senate & with a few RINOs in office, it looks hopeless. They don’t care what “We the People” want. They’re not listening to the “Astroturf, Tea-bagging, racist, red-neck, Nazi MOBS” nor those “mean, crazy people that asked those evil questions” that liberal representatives didn’t want to answer at the Town Hall meetings, nor those “few THOUSAND nutjobs” (1.5 million) that showed up at the Capital on 9/12, nor the doctors that marched on the WH (not the ones who were issued the white coats by the WH), nor those who showed up at the Capitol with Congresswoman Michele Bachman this past Thursday to protest this Socialized pile of “pooh” Health Care bill.

        This administration doesn’t care about ANYTHING except achieving the goal of their “GODS” (Carl Marx, Saul Alinski, Hitler, Mao Tse Tung, Chavez, Castro, Bill Ayers) & creating a “One World Government” that has been in the making for probably longer that we ever dreamed!

        This “so-called president” took an OATH to UPHOLD the CONSTITUTION that HE thinks is “an IMPERFECT document that reflected a BLIND SPOT in this culture & reflects FUNDAMENTAL (he LOVES that word) FLAWS that are carried on to this day”. How can he take an oath to uphold what HE thinks is a “FLAWED IMPERFECT CONSTITUTION”?

        Call me a “birther” if you want, but if he was born in this country, he’d be proud to show his birth certificate. I had to show my birth certificate just to get my license! If he were a good student with a good college background, being the arrogant narcissist that he is, he’d be proud to “show off” his records, yet, he’s spent millions of dollars to keep his records concealed! If I applied for a decent job, do you think they’d hire me without my resume & college records? Why would you NOT get a “resume” from the candidate for the highest office in the world?! Why wasn’t that done when he was nominated & before he was elected? We were all freaking crazy to not DEMAND a “resume” from the person nominated to be our LEADER? Bush was put under a microscope when he was nominated! This just amazes me! Where is the “common sense” in this country? Have we all become so complacent that we don’t care about the foundation of our Republic? Doesn’t anyone realize that if the foundation crumbles, the whole house falls down?

        Instead of arguing with each other, we need to UNITE against a tyrannical government! You Libs / Progressives are going to be living in a poor, chaotic, country, too, when it’s part of a “One World Government”! Obama has already bankrupted this country! Can you imagine how poor we’re going to be when we have to pay our country’s “share” to “share the wealth” by paying our “Climate Debt” to 3rd world countries who haven’t “created as much CO2″ for the Global Warming LIE?

        I can’t believe that Libs /Progressives who were against the Bush administration intercepting calls of suspected terrorists to PROTECT us, would allow THIS RADICAL administration to control the press, free speech, radio, TV, the internet (with net neutrality that was already hidden in the stimulus bill) & ask neighbors to report “fishy people”! Do you REALLY want to have a “Global Nanny”? If you DO, you have brain damage & don’t deserve to live in this incredible, free, capitalist country!

        God Bless You, American Patriot & God Bless This Country & God, please wake up liberals “who know not what they do”!

  • Tom Doyle

    Obama is the worst President we have ever had. I can’t believe that there are people still supporting him and think he is doing great. No proof of that anywhere. He is a fraud and he is destroying the country.

    • Carri

      We live in a media driven, pop-star culture and right now…Obama is a rock star. By the time the majority of his glaze-eyed followers realize where he is taking us, it will be too late.

      • Consrvatives United

        Well said!!! Just look at the history of Nazi Germany in the earrly 1930′s, and we all know that Hitler led Germany to total destruction. This is where the Obamanation and his band of Chicago Style Thugs, along with all of congress, is leading this country to.

        • JeffH

          With a whole lot of luck, he’ll suffer the same fate!

        • eyeswideopen

          If you took the time to listen to some of those speaches, you would have to admit they sound more like the rt wing conservatives than the Democrats. Every time Goebell says Jew’s, if you insert Dem’s, it sounds just like the conservatives.

          • Rod the Other

            Brilliant observation EYESWIDESHUT….and if you replace the B in Obama with an S, you end up with OSAMA…Another Muslum that wants to destroy America.

          • Consrvatives United

            I am a conservative and will admit very conservative in my views. There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING that the OBOMANATION says or believes in that are conservative ideas. He is the radically leftist “Illegal Occupant of the White House” that this nation has ever had. And just so you know now, I lived thru the Vietnam War era a a young adult, and have seen the banding together of all of the extreme leftist groups in this country since that time, until we now have Obama, and his Chicago style thugs, and an a leftist marixist socialist bunch of idiots in Congress. TIME TO VOTE ALL OF THEM OUT, AND PUT THEM ALL WHERE THEY BELONG. IN PRISON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • denniso

            Eyes is correct of course..The extreme right wing has followed their god limbaugh in using Hitlerian tactics against their enemies for years now..demonizing,scapegoating,fear and hate mongering and utter slander and misinformation.Don’t listen to them people!!

          • Rod the Other

            Denniso…That’s rigths right, do the TYPICAL liberal thing and attack the messinger, shut down debate, and ignore the facts. SO TYPICAL!!!
            WE HAVE ANOTHER QUISLING PEOPLE!

        • American Patriot

          OH DENNYO & EYEWIDESHUT , YOU TWO HAVE NO IDEA THAT YOU ARE BEING EATEN AND SPIT BACK OUT BY YOUR OWN FAR LEFT WING RADICAL PARTY.!!!. TS JUST A SHAME THAT YOU ONLY KNOW HOW TO ACCUSEAND BASH OTHERS WHO ARE TRUE FREEDOM FIGHTERS AND REAL AMERICAN PATRIOTS THAT TRUELY CARE ABOUT AMERICA THE GREAT LAND OF THE FRRE AND THE HOME OF THE BRAVE.!!!! GOLLY GEE THOSE SLOGONS DO NOT BELONG IN YOUR FAR LEFT WING RADICAL “HANDBOOK”.!!! CAN’T SAY OR STAND FOR THOSE PRICIPLES IN AMERICA , JUST PREACH HATE AND RACISM AND ITS OK IF WE ALSO TEACH SOCIETY THAT BIG AND BIGGER GOVERNMENT WILL TAKE CARE OF YOU.!!! OH ITS OK JUST GET IN LINE FOR YOUR HAND OUT.!!!. A GOOD EXAMPLE IS THE FLU VACCINE THE YOUR FAR LEFT RADICALS PROMISED THAT THEY WOULD HAVE 160 MILLION VACCINES AVAILABLE BY THE END OF OCT. 2009 . OH WHAT HAPPENED.? THEY ONLY HAD 15 MILLON AVAILABLE TO AMERICAN PUBLIC , AND THE REAL SCARING FACT IS THAT GITMO. AND WALL STREET GOT THERE SHARE OF VACCINE BEFORE THE REST OF THE AMERICAN PUBLIC, AND THE HIGH RISK POPULATION DID NOT EVEN GET ANY VACCINE.!!!. HMM WHATS THAT TELL YOU ABOUT THE UMM UMM UMM.FAR LEFT WING RADICAL ADMINISTRATION.??. GOD HELP US ALL IS THESE CHICAGO THUGS GET A GOV. HEALTH CONTROL BILL PASSED.!!!!!. IT WILL BE THE END OF A FREE SOCIETY AS WE KNOW IT NOW.!!!!!!!.. I WOULD SUGGEST YOU TWO MORON CALL YOUR CONGRESSMEN AND SENATORS SO THEY CAN READ THIS HORRIFIC DESTROY AMERICAS HEALTH CARE BILL MAY BE THEY WILL HAVE SOME FUZZY FEEL GOOD PICTURES TO SHOW YOU SO YOU CAN UNDERSTAND IT BETTER.??. WELL MAYBE.? OH ITS OK YOU CAN HOLD EACH OTHERS HAND AND SAY ITS HATE AND RACISM THAT MADE THE ANOITED ONE , I MEAN THE DICTATOR TO MAKE SUCH A GREAT HEALTH CONTROL BILL TO SAVE AMERICA ,AMERICA , AMERICA UMM UMM UMM
          WAKE UP MORONS.!!!. YOUR OWN LEFT WING RADICALS ARE LAUGHING LOUD AND OBNOXIOUSLY AT YOU , HUH HUH HUH LOOK AT THOSE IDIOTS THEY EVEN SUPPORT US AS WE DESTROY THEIR FUTURES. HUH HUH HUH LIBERALS WE WANT TO RULE THE WORLD.!!!!!. WAKE UP NOW AND HELP US TAKE BACK OUR FREE COUNTRY.!!!!!!!..

          AMERICAN PATRIOT.

          • denniso

            A P…just a couple suggestions. For better effectiveness,try using the word MORONS fewer times..it looses it’s punch after the 20th time.Also,if you want to be a little more correct, the term for laughing is,ha,ha,ha…not huh,huh,huh.Try practicing w/ these two things and your writing will be vastly improved..and no, there’s no charge for the tutoring. Have a nice day!

          • Rod the Other

            DENNISO…Are those tips you picked up from Alinsky’ rules for radicals?

  • Norm

    Republicans’ approval ratings worst in 25 years
    Posted on 24 October 2009 by Congress Check

    Saturday, Oct 24th, 2009

    They got rid of scandal-tainted Majority Leader Tom DeLay, airport shoe-tapper Larry Craig and prurient instant message typer Mark Foley, but they just can’t seem to shake the gloom.

    Congressional Republicans scored just 36 percent approval ratings from the American public in a CNN/Opinion Research poll released Friday.

    Fifty-four percent of Americans viewed Republicans in Congress unfavorably, while 41 percent said they were rankled by Democrats. Democrats had a 53 percent approval rating to Republicans’ 36.

    But despite Democrats’ edge over Republicans, their handling of Congress receives few plaudits, according to the poll. Almost 70 percent of those questioned said they disapproved of how Congress was handling its job, with just 29 percent expressing approval.

    “The Republican party may still be battling the legacy left to them by George W. Bush,” CNN Polling Director Keating Holland was quoted as saying. “They have also spent a lot of time in 2009 working against Democratic proposals. That hasn’t left them a lot of time so far this year to present a positive, post-Bush message. Of course, there is still plenty of time for them to do so before the 2010 midterms.”

    Republicans have branded themselves “the party of no,” for their votes against a Democrat-backed stimulus plan and near-unanimous opposition to President Barack Obama’s healthcare overhaul goals.

    A Washington/Post ABC poll in June put Republicans at a 36 percent approval, while three other polls gave the party a favorability rating of under 30 percent. Republicans scored 29 percent, 28 percent and 25 percent respectively in polls conducted by The New York Times, Pew Research and NBC.

    • American Citizen

      It all depends upon the questions asked and who they polled.

      • eyeswideopen

        Agree, doesn’t that apply to all polls, not just the ones you don’t like?

    • Rod the Other

      Hey Norm…This topic of dicussion is about OBAMA, not the extremely biased polls of CNN & the like.
      Anyways, once you look at the polling criteria they QUICKLY lose credibility. Of course CNN is going to have the kind of results you noted…THEY POLLED 70% Democrats in the poll. The same Democrats that think George B is more responsible for our current situation than OBAMA.
      OBAMA is killing this country, debasing all of the fundamental systems that lead us to be the greatest nation EVERY, dismantling the free-market system brick-by-brick, and working towards complete abandonment of the Constitution. Barack himself says the Constitution is a flawed document and that we need a better one…Who does he think is going to write it?…Himself, Pelosi, and Reid? OBAMA is an obvious snake-oil salesman. He is hurting this country in almost everyway.

      • eyeswideopen

        Forgive me, did Obama deregulate the Banking Industry this year? Didn’t that happen ten years ago?

        • Rod the Other

          No…It actually started under Carter in the 70′s and the CRA or CDA (Community (Reinvestment or Development) Act). It purpose was to “make housing affordable” for those who couldn’t afford it. It’s basic premise was to lower the lending criteria so low-income, or unworthy people, could get credit for a home loan.

          Then, in the 90′s under Clinton, Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Maxine Waters, Janet Reno, Harry Reid and other liberal ILK began to put pressure on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to lower their lending critieria to even more unworthy borrowers including ILLEGAL ALIENS. Basically under threat of Government sactions Fanny & Freddie were forced to accept the most unworthy of borrower. Can you say STATED INCOME loan, how about NO DOCUMENT loan.

          The warning flags were rasied MANY TIMES in the 90′s and louder in the 2000′ by Repubs and fiscally minded Democrats about how these practices are a ticking time bomb and regulations need to be put in place to defuse it before the bomb goes off. These people were shut down and mocked for being racist and not wanting minorities to have access to the Americam dream. Then Barney Frank decided that Wall Street was going to move to a “Mark-to-Market” system that introduced such volitility into the markets that the bomb was transfored from a traditional-explosive into an ATOM BOMB. That allowed for massive over-stating of the value of REAL assets and the derivitive markets swelled. That swelling took place until it finaly exploded in 2007. If there is ONE PERSON to blame for our economic calamity it’s BARNEY FRANK!

          • Isirio Abelon

            Say it again and again brother to enlightened MORONS memories who blame Bush every time they open their month. Remind these Morons as well, that the un-employment rate since 1996 through 2006 (Republican administration) was 7% and never above 8%. Everything went down the drain when the Democrats took control in 2006. Quadruple the deficit within one year when Obama became President, Big Government, Higher taxes, back room deal, the Louisiana purchase etc.
            The same President Clinton’s Cronies who are running the Economy, Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Maxim Waters to name a few. How about Jim Johnson and Franklin Raine who were facing a Grand Jury investigation. These people are involved to the downfall of the economy particularly the Freddie Mac and Fannie mae. Lending Mortgages to the people who can not afford to pay it back. Today, their arrogance are exposed, Senior Citizens and Younger generations who voted for Obama has regrets. Think about it, if you tell the Senior citizens that their Medicare will be cut 500 Billion dollars and “THE DEATH PANEL”?, you scare the hell out of them. The younger voters are scared as well, because if you do not participate or buy your own insurance they will put you to JAIL. YOUR OWN GOVERNMENT WILL PUT YOU TO JAIL!!!. Well… just a reminder. Adios.
            Isirio

        • Rod the Other

          EYES…Are you ready to “tap out” on this one yet?

          • JeffH

            eyes memory is limited to 8 years back, no more.

          • eyeswideopen

            I already admitted I was wrong, what do you want Blood? Deregualtion in 1999 was not the sole cause of the financial crisis. It was the other regulations not being enforced that was the problem, along with other factors, mainly greed and corruption combined with incompetence. I was wrong. I was wrong. I was wrong. Did I say it enough?

          • denniso

            Rod the otter..oops, sorry. When I first saw your ‘name’ I misread it as otter. So, I wonder how Dodd and Frank had such power for the 1st 6 yrs of Shrubs administration that they could bring the entire economy down by themselves?? Supermen even out of their chairmanship roles?

          • Rod the Other

            Denniso…BUSH did it right….Grow up and educate yourself. You are the kind of follower Obama is looking for. No room for discussion, just attack those that you disagree with. Where are your facts, your proof, your logic…I haven’t seen a single spec of it in any of your posts.

        • Laura

          When you say I was wrong but….it wasn’t the sole cause of the meltdown blah blah blah

          The “I was wrong” part did get lost imo.

        • Rod the Other

          The above should read.”Bush did it? Yeah Right”!

      • denniso

        Rod,old buddy..the constitution needed how many ammendments from the ‘original’??

        • Rod the Other

          Denniso..NEEDED amendments? your a fool!

          • denniso

            RODO…Were the ammendents written w/ the ‘original’ constitution??when was the last one? was it written by the ‘founders’??

    • JeffH

      All you can do is lay on the Republicans. I thought this was about Obama? Americans are getting wiser and wiser to this guys lack of leadership and the fact that he is nothing more than a high priced salesman selling his “snake oils and elixers” to anyone that will buy it. His deception is his greatest strength.

    • Consrvatives United

      You can make a survey say what ever you want. You can manipulate this by asking the right questions, to get the results that you preset to get. Since CNN and most of these are left wing news organiztions, they have already set the end result, and then set the questions in place to get the desired results. I have had experience in testing this, and have taken the same topic, and simply set up differnent question, and achieved totally different results, with the same people people answering the question.

      • American Citizen

        I have been polled more than once, mostly by college students working for those organizations. They give you the questions and then several answers you can choose from. My answer to most of the questions wasn’t there. There’s no way to give an answer to most of the questions. I’m sure the pollster puts his/her own answer in. That’s why I don’t trust polls.

    • denniso

      Norm..Good comment!

    • Jim Lorenz

      Come on folks! THe Dems & Repubs are the two public wings of the statist, collectivist, MEGAPARTY. Their public spats are mere distractions so the proles will think they have a choice in voting for TweedleDum or TweedleDee. Not really a choice. “Left” and “Right” and “Conservative” and “Liberal” have been so misused as to be useless. There are only two kinds of political motives:
      Collectivist or Individualist. Stop thinking party “D” or party “R”, instead support Individualists, Consitutionalists, liberty lovers for all citizens, real advocates of free people operating in free markets. NAFTA & GATT are not fair trade or free trade, they are controlled exchanges by captive peoples. That’s the majority of Americans.
      Go to realityzone.com and order “The Creature From Jekyll Island”, By Griffin. It’s the story of the Federal Reserve conspiracy, yes a conspiracy in 1910, and a conspiracy today.
      Ever wonder why we ‘enjoy’ so much inflation? Here’s the answer.

      The only thing more expensive than education is ignorance. Sun Tzu says, “Know yourself, but know your enemy better.”

      • Rod the Other

        Jim Lorenze… In large part I agree with your post, some parts completely, others not so much.
        I do beleive that the “left” and “right” are rather arbitray terms and rather useless. Because, you can always claim things like, “I’m on the right of him, he’s on the left”. Well, when that comes from someone like McCann talking about Reid…in relative terms he is correct. McCann is more right that Reid… But they are both “Lefties” from a true center.
        I do not agree too much with the “Liberal / Conservative” thing though. These terms are given with respect to a reference point. LIBs beleive in embracing “new” untried ways of doing things, while “Conservative” beleive in sticking with what has worked historically. Both of these political philosophies are on a continumm much like Collectivist or Individualist. Which is where the word centerist comes in. Although I sometimes believe that Centerist just have a hard time “picking a lane”.

        I don’t want to put to fine a point and sound like I am quibbling, I DO AGREE with the sentiment of your post and I am thankful for the contribution to this discussion from another free-minded.

        • Rod the Other

          I meant “arbitrary”.

      • denniso

        JL…I shouldn’t tell you this,because the more you convince right wingers to vote for people who can’t win, the better my people do. WE HAVE A 2 PARTY SYSTEM!!! We don’t have a multi party parliamentary one,where small parties can actually get a little representation.
        Tweedle Dee and Dum..come on now!! Despite the fact that most of congress and most presidents,though not all(like Obama), are from our aristocratic class there are still fundamental differences. Nixon prosecuted draft evaders, Cater pardoned them. Reagan ratcheted up the drug war and illegally funded illegal wars in Central America and traded missiles to Iran for hostages. Clinton kept us out of major wars and probably had the fewest number of military casualities in an 8 yr term. Bush Sr invaded a sovereign country(Panama). Bush(shrub) singlehandedly is responsible for the deaths and maiming of hundreds of thousands of innocents(that includes soldiers).
        Bush and Gore are the same?? Carter and Nixon? Ted Kennedy and Ted Stevens? Pelosi and Boehner?? They may all be rich, it’s far too simplistic though to say that makes them the same. But for the sake of kind,tolerant, peaceful people, please keep voting for rightwing kooks who can never win. We appreciate it!!

  • Ken Marx

    Chris Matthews may have felt a tingling in his legs. Every time I see O on TV, a chill goes up and down my spine.

    I suspect that much of the problem with the polls is that well over half of the respondents are democrats and lefties. Therefore, if 51 percent say they disagree with O’s policies, we can be sure the actual number is much higher. Likewise, if 53 percent say they like the man, we can be sure the actual number is much lower.

    • Norm

      You can hope or guess or dream but you certainly can’t be sure.

      • Rod the Other

        all the assurance I need is to see the polling criteria and the respondents political affiliation…It’s called bias! If you ask crack addicts, “should the Government supply free crack”? how many do you think are going to say no? Obama is handing out crack and all the addicts are getting in line for their free-share.

  • RunninBear

    He is going lower and lower as people find out just what his polies are?they are not what Americans expected when he lied about change,”Transparenticy”, and all the other lies that he has betrayed America.He has shown nothing but weakness to his enemies and has berated America,but the biggest lie is his so called health care?
    he hasn’t read it ,he doesn’t even have it written,but trying to ram it through on the American people?
    We will accept your Health care plan when all you Senators and Congressmen will accept the same thing.you are no better than the people who you are suppose to be represnting?Time and time again I have heard Obama brag about “He got his health care.It’s time they are treated like they have been treating the citizens of this country?

    • American Citizen

      The statement he made during the campaign that led me to know he was up to no good was, “We will fundamentally change this country.” He means to change or do away with our Constitution. His actions speak louder than his words.
      I, too, get chills and the shakes ever time I see him, his picture or hear him speak. A consummate liar.

      • JeffH

        American Citizen, you are correct. We, the people, have to force change on DC and our politicians, and stop Obama’s fundamentals “dead in their tracks”. Continue to vigorously be heard and let your representatives know there are going to be major changes in government starting in 2010. Already, the word in California is starting to be heard. Pelosi, Boxer and Feinstein are being targeted as the major player to be voted out here. The pressure has to remain constant. As the Liberal left Dems and Obama continue to force their agendas on you and I, without the transparency or bipartisanship that he promised, Americans wake up to his “forked tongue and outright lies”. Every now and then, he’ll toss a bone to the dogs, just as long as it doesn’t upset his brand of socialism.

        • Rod the Other

          You hit the nail on the head JeffH…Next up Pelosi, Boxer, Feinstein

          • Palin12

            And I get to vote Reid out!

          • JeffH

            Palin12, Yep! Is Tarkanian the guy in Nevada, I have heard but relly don’t know?

    • Consrvatives United

      And for all the hype on getting these dangerous “killer” flu shots, The Obamanation, is not letting his 2 daughters get them, and probably he and his other half not either. Does this tell you he knows that these shots are dangerous?????

      • American Citizen

        What to believe? I just read this morning that his girls were among the first to get the flu shot. People who need them the most are unable to get them.
        As for being dangerous, only if you’re allergic to something in the base. We’ve never had a negative reaction to any of the flu shots.

  • http://newgen1@hotmail.com Mr.Dan

    Obama is not an American.. if he was he would not be destroying our Country..All of his clan in the WH is all crooks and wanting to take down the Country and hbe 1 World Order..Its written on Obama’s face!!!! Needs to be impeached asap!!!! along with Reid,Polusy,Biden,and all the czars..Need to be in prision for life!!

    • Sew

      I agree with Dan… the impeachment needs to happen NOW!

      • Carri

        Reality check guys! Impeachment can only be done through the House. He owns the house and the Senate (that is the only body that can actually unseat a President after impeachment). Have we learned nothing from Clinton? Impeachment is a proud mark on a Democrat Presidents resume. What we need to do is take back the House and Senate by overturning every single seat up for election to a Freshman. We need to do that in 2012, 2014 and 2016 until our “representatives” get the message of who their boss is, and it’s not the special interests and the moneyed underground in Washington…IT’S WE THE PEOPLE (WTP). Once WTP have true REPRESENTATION in Congress, it won’t matter what Pres Obama or any other president says or does, he will limited in his power.

        • DaveH

          Don’t forget 2010

        • eyeswideopen

          Carri, regarding your Reality check, you need to have grounds for impeachment. I have asked many people, many times to please state one impeachable offense and not one person has been able to come up with one. Can you name the offense?

          • Rod the Other

            The breach of contract law by executive order…

            In the bailout of GM (which I am ardently against) Obama placed the Unions at the front of the line. It should have been secured debtors at the front of the line. By contract law the stockholders should have had first dibs. But, Obama had to pay back the Unions who put him in office and they got the lions-share of the deal…

            Misappropriation of funds
            How about use of taxpayer money to further the Democrat party and push for advancement of the party through Government resources…Like using the NEA to create propaganda and push the green agenda, Government take of healthcare and the list goes on.

            How about failing to protect and defend the Constitution…better yet, how about subverting the constitution and usurpation of the powers given to the Congress in an effort to eradicate the Constitution?

            LIST IS LONG AND VARIED…HE IS NOT AN AMERICAN PATRIOT!!! HE’S ABOUT TO SIGN AWAY US SOVEREIGNTY IN COPENHAGEN!!!

          • Consrvatives United

            If he is found thru the courts, out in CA, as not being legally elligible to be president, Impeachment will not work, since he is not legally the presdent. The constitution, would make the 2008 election null and void (including “Foot In The Mouth Biden” and all legislation and any other documents and treaties also null and void. New presidental elections would need to be held.

          • eyeswideopen

            Rodthe other, sorry, dude, but Bush arranged the first GM bailout and Obama had to abide by those conditions. Have you forgotten that Bush gave GM money? Rod, greater minds than yours are trying to come up with something, and failing. If we didn’t impeach Bush for lying about Iraq, I doubt there is much that Obama could do, that couldn’t be justified. That is what happens when the bar is set so low.

          • Rod the Other

            EYESWIDESHUT…I haven’t forgotten anything. Take a look at some of my other posts. One of the reason I claim George Bush to not be a poor President is because of the Bailouts. The Bailouts are so not in line with the Free-market system that any true beleiver in it can not defend it…Oh and by the way, OBAMA voted for the bailouts (what a shocker huh) and less-than half of the money was disbursed when Obama took office, he could have stopped it. Isn’t it sad that Bush was a poor President and still stands head & shoulders above Obama?

            By the way, your dear leader Obama is now using the bailout funds that have been paid back as a slush fund to support the political-payback to liberal organization that helped put him in office. Those funds were supposed to be paid back to the people not used for political payolla.

          • Rod the Other

            strike the not in my first few sentences…I beleive Bush to be a POOR President!

          • barbiebaby

            treason,,, that comes by doing things that are not good for the country, name everything he has done!!!!lying everytime his tongue moves..i think the worse thing he has done is apolgize for are country, weakening our security and to think he is going to bring the hearthens from cuba to our country..put them (his brothers) into our country to train for jahadis terrorism, within our prisons..also what about pakiston afganistan…the leaders there begging for help to win this war, and he’s taking bare arms michelle for $30,000 dinners in new york…and going to florida and telling the servicemen there he won”t send them there and japradize their lives…how does that make the men and their families, who are there fighting and in 2 days 18 of our young men lost their lives..how would you feel if they were your husbands,wives fathers grand sons/ daughters.. i could find plenty..i didn’t vote for the idiot at least bush kept us safe, if we had not stopped the terrorists..all hell would of happened in america..let the idiot go and fight…the war.. he don’t want to win it..he wants america down down down and begging ..what the govt gives you..dependance on it..it can take away!!!!sign the impeachment..it is gaining ground..

          • denniso

            Once the economy has improved and we’ve reduced the 2 bush wars to security ops, I would be pleased if all of you blowhards apologized to YOUR president..at least RTO agrees that Bush was the worst president we’ve had.

          • Rod the Other

            DENNNISO…More twisting of the truth huh? I said Bush was a poor president, not the worst ever….TYPICAL LIB! There are far to many contenders for that distiction: Carter, Truman, Hoover, FDR, Wilson, TR Roosevelt.
            If you noticed I did leave Clinton out and that is only because he was forced into being a Centerist, and wasn’t able to accomlish much of his agenda. Although he did do some big harm to our military!

      • Gideon Jones

        It should have started with the Demo Party to verify obaminic’s eligibility. They did not.
        It should have been done by the Repub Rinos to insist that the Demo present a candidate who was authorized by the Constitution. They did not.
        Since the Congress is sworn to uphold and defend the Constitution they
        should have not allowed him to be a candidate. They did not.
        They have every right and reason to impeach him immediately.
        They did not and will not.
        So? The Constitution authorizes and insists in this case. We the people must assemble a Grand Jury to indict , prosecute , punish , and banish the lot of them. I have 181 pages of supportable facts to this end.

      • Norm

        If we didn’t impeach Bush we sure can’t impeach Obama. You radicals can play circle jerk, but realize that you are a MINORITY in this country, thank God.

        • Rod the Other

          Your wrong NORM…Liberals are the MINORITY…They only represent 22% of the populas.
          That’s a realy interestung number. If anyone hear is familiar with the PARETO principle, you would know that according to that principle in any system you will typically find that 80% of a systems problems are usually casued by 20% of it’s contributors.

        • JeffH

          Norm, slither back into your slimy little hole. We will see how resiliant the real Americans are. I would bet that you were one of the protestors spitting at the returning vetrans in the 60′s-70′s and calling them names.

          • Norm

            JeffH
            That was a pretty cheap comment you just made. Nothing could be farther from the truth. But as usual, the truth means nothing to you.

          • Norm

            JeffH
            I was in the Air Force in the 1960′s. Where were you?

          • eyeswideopen

            Jeff, you are letting your emotions get the better of you. You are making assumptions about someone you know very little about. Since you didn’t serve this country, you have no right to belittle someone who belongs to that brotherhood of veterans. You can disagree about your politics, but to make a statement like that to a veteran is not what this country is about.

          • JeffH

            Norm is a liar and you stay away from me. You are as anti-American as anyone, no matter how you attempt to depict yourself or others. You are again trying to be the TROLL monitor of this site, and defend your little TROLL buddies. Anyone can say anything anytime on this site, but who knows what is real and what is not. As for me not serving my country, I served as home support, to be called to active duty if a national emergency arose. So don’t tell me I have no say. I am a legal, law abiding citizen of these United States of America unlike your traitorous yellow spined President and supporters such as yourself and Norm. As for impeachement, I can only hope. Quit asking your stupid questions and provide some viable answers instead. Your whole being is to question anyone you don’t agree with. Maybe you should admit what you are really here for and your real beliefs.

          • Consrvatives United

            Norm, I honor your service to this nation, as a Veteran, but so was John “Benedict Arnold” Kerry, for a very short time. Then he came home and wwent out protesting with “Hanoi Jane”

          • eyeswideopen

            Jeffie, I have always answered any question put to me. What you don’t like is when a stupid statement, or lies are being promoted, I check them and come back with the truth. Why is the truth so hard for you all to digest? You make crazy statements about Obama lying, however, you don’t hold yourselves to the same simple standard of truth and facts. I have watched you over the past three months, change from someone who would honestly debate, become an angry, quick tempered, illogical name calling hateful person.

          • Rod the Other

            EYESWIDESHUT…you said,
            “Jeffie, I have always answered any question put to me. What you don’t like is when a stupid statement, or lies are being promoted, I check them and come back with the truth”.

            I don’t think any fair & right minded individual likes it when, “…stupid statement, or lies are being promoted”…But I find it funny that your making this statement, because you routinly do just that.
            Further more, I take your next sentence as an admission of that, “…I check them and come back with the truth”. So you admit that your first statements tend to be distortions of the truth.
            You can’t take things out of context and call it the truth…Remember figuers don’t lie but liers figure.

          • JeffH

            eyes or BillJ, whatever you might be, you have always been nothing more than an agitator. You can bite me for all I care. What you have to say is meaningless, and go ahead, continue your attacks and ask your stupid little questions. That is truly a trademark of disgust!

          • Norm

            JeffH
            I don’t appreciate being called a liar. You are one screwed up character. Again I ask you, which branch of the service did you serve in?
            Incidentally the GI bill paid for my Electrical Engineering degree. You know, one of those socialist benefits. Of course, with my increased income over the years, I repaid the grant many times over.

          • JeffH

            Un-NORM-al…liar, liar, liar!

          • Norm

            JeffH
            I guess liar is big in your simple minded vocabulary. And any body supporting Beck has a big problem with reality.

          • Rod the Other

            NORM…Watchout who your picking fights with…This is a battle of intelligence and your unarmed! Go inform yourself about the real world and come back when you know something.

          • JeffH

            Norm, I really became familiar with the word “liar” during an address to Congress by Obama. Seems quite accurate a desription!

          • denniso

            Wow again..I’m very impressed w/ Rod the O..such a tough and smart guy..we’re scared, aren’t we??

          • Rod the Other

            LIBERAL ridicule…How novel…

        • Consrvatives United

          Norm, Is wanting contitutional goverment radical???? I guess it is since the founding fathers were considered radicals, because they wanted the tyranny from King George to stop. Well all of us that are Patriots of 2009, only want the tryanny of an overeaching goverment to stop, and that ALL of our elected officials sarting out at the Office of President and all the way down to local dog catcher to obey the oath of office that they took.

      • Rod the Other

        CARRIE is correct…We the People need to vote the bums out…If we forsake our responsibility to vote people in that respoect the Constitution we are NEGLECTING our responsibility as Americans.
        If we don’t vote them out we may paint our selves into a corner were armed confrontation is the only option.

        The founding fathers of this country thought that the Government should have a turn over of about 50% every election…It’s no where near that. We have to many career politicians in office. We need trms limits for ALL OFFICES…No more than 2 terms, for anyone, in any position.

    • eyeswideopen

      Could you please explain, what the benefit would be for Obama,( who presently is the most powerful man in the world), to want to take this country down? If he bankrupts this country, what exactly would he have? It would be total anarchy, he wouldn’t have control, wouldn’t have any money, as it too would be worthless. Why would he try to ruin this country? It makes no sense. Sounds like fear mongering for no logical reason.

      • Rod the Other

        He can benefit by being one of the key people to bring it down and thereby earn himself a seat near the top of a one-world-government. Which is what he’s seeking in Copenhagen.
        His master George Soros will be pleased with him and let him sit at his right hand.

        • eyeswideopen

          Rod, explain how and why they would have anyone from a country whose monetary system was defunct,whose military had no leadership, who was experiencing a civil war, you know, a country in total chaos, be the leader? Also, since most of the worlds markets are tied so closely to ours, what would be left to rule? When this country goes down, the balance of power will shift so severely that a dominio effect will spread like wildfire causing world calmity.

          • Rod the Other

            EYES…Your drawing connclusions and make statements that are farce.

            Just as in a CAPITAlIST system when an entity in that system goes defunkt, the serviving enities come in and pick its bones…It is just a matter of FACT and how the real world works.

            And the to question of why the would want him…Because hes proven his loyalty, and shown himself to be a capable comrad. Besides, when teams are choosen you choose from the available players and make trades and cuts as better players becaome available. And again….SOROS loves his pet. He’s a very well trained pet!

          • eyeswideopen

            Rod, I hate to tell you this, but most of the world does not function as we do, don’t want to function as we do, and have mistakenly tied their markets to ours….Although now, most of them are recovering more quickly and have changed the way their markets are conducting business. You are not being logical, to think that the rest of the world would allow a US leader to control them. Your Conspiracies are too far fetched to comprehend. Power lies with the money, and we don’t have the most money, the best military, but certainly not the most money. Remember that our currency is not based on gold, so we aren’t really worth crap. no manufacturing plants, but we know how to build houses lol…. Funny, that you want a catastrophe so badly that you will invent a world take over, by someone who you claim has no experience. You think the world will accept someone with so little experience and without a military to back him up? Silly, absoutely silly.

          • Rod the Other

            EYES…You can ignore the evidence of who Obama is and what he is trying to accomplish if you like, but your just playing right into his hands.
            The rest of the world is recovering faster because they are receiving monetary infusions from us (thanks again Obama) and are modeling their economies to be more like we USED to be FREEMARKET. While we are moving away from a freemarket, other countries are moving towards it. And don’t get so hung up on the statistics of the growth of the other countries. When a poor countries economy grows by 100% it may sound amazing (and you may be tempted to blame Bush), but in real growth we can match that same increased wealth with a growth of less-than 1%.
            China is lecturing us on not becoming socialist because they don’t want to lose on their investment in us. China is walking the same path we did in the first half of the 20th century. They are posed become the economic powerhouse mostly due to all of the borrowing that is taking place this year for SOCIAL spending.

          • Rod the Other

            EES..your being naive if you think that they would not want a US leader to help run the one world government. However inexperienced Obama may be, a US leader would be needed to keep the sheep (like yourself) calm on the way to the slaughter. They would need a puppet to stand behind so the ignorant masses would say, “he’s one of us, he’s not going to let anything bad happen to us, lets just go along with what he’s asking”.

            I also find it curious that you say yourself that he is inexperienced, yet you stand behind his policies and protect him from criticism. Why would you do that? Is is just that you seek to invalidate any criticism because you have the same socialist beliefs and you actually beleive that socialism is good for the populas?

            As you said in another post EYES, “pick a lane and stay in it”.

          • denniso

            Rod the O…One world gov’t!! doesn’t that old,tired phrase go back a hundred yrs or so??The U.S. has been the closest thing to such a creature since WW2..we’ve tried to control politics and cultures around the world..no great conspiracy about it..installing dictators in south america,Iran etc. and toppling legitimate leaders in Chile and more. We actually helped set up your buddy Saddam Hussein..look it up.

          • Rod the Other

            DENNSIO…IS that all you’ve got…how weak. Now Suddam in my Buddy huh? OOOHHhhh zing, you really got me on that one…especially because you backed it up with facts & logic like you usually do!

            FOOL!

      • JeffH

        http://stevemaloneygop.blogspot.com/2008/02/obama-soros-american-nightmares.html
        Thursday, February 14, 2008
        OBAMA & SOROS: AMERICAN NIGHTMARES
        Obama, who he is, what he’s done, and why his election as President would be bad for America. Recently, I noted that Obama — in terms of finances — is largely a wholly owned subsidiary of George Soros, billionaire founder of Moveon.org and a full-time “Amerika-hater.”
        In all his empty rhetoric about bringing the country together and “reaching across the aisle” to Republicans, Obama neglects to mention that his political stands allow for no real compromises. Yes, he will occasionally work with Republicans on non-controversial issues, but on anything of true significance, he will function as a militant leftist.

        This is another wonderful read.

      • American Citizen

        He’s for one world government putting us under the jurisdiction of the UN. So much of what he wants to do, his policies, are unconstitutional. We have a Congress run by his cronies who give him everything he wants. If you can’t see the direction this country is going, your eyes are not wide open, unfortunately. If you were a true Republican, you would come up with some answers instead of constantly bashing them. What do you see lies ahead with the current Administration? You haven’t said anything about it.

        • JeffH

          Why bash something you believe in.

          • JeffH

            American Citizen, I don’t mean you.

      • usmadgirl

        Obama, along with his Marxist Czars & all the other radicals that surround him , will gain by destroying the dollar. Have you forgotten that government already owns most of the large banks, the car companies, controlling private companies salaries & will “own” all the National Parks? With the “so-called Health Care Bill” (which has absolutely nothing to do with making sure “all the people” in the country have “health care”) he will have control over, not only the life & death of “regular” people, but the insurance companies, doctors, nurses, hospitals, drug companies. He could care less if people have health care. He is in the process of controlling the media & the internet. So to comment on ‘Rod the Other’s’ statement, I don’t think he just wants to be NEAR the top of the One World Government! I think he wants to be the Leader!

        By your statement, it’s apparent you’re ignorant of history! Tyranny is not built upon a thriving republic, but only by its destruction. A free nation has to be destroyed before tyranny can thrive. Just like remodeling a house, you have to destroy it before you can build it like you want it! This is what Obama has to gain: by bringing down the infrastructure & by destroying the dollar, it lays the foundation for him to rebuild the nation “in his own image”. When people lose hope & become desperate, they’re easier to control. When people have nowhere to turn but the government, then the government has control over the people (Tyranny) instead of the people having control over the government (Liberty). If you don’t believe that this can happen in this country & that this is just paranoia or conspiracy theory, then perhaps you should pick up a book & read how once “free” nations have lost their freedom! We are so close to this now, it’s frightening.

        In just 8 months, this administration has already turned this wonderful, capitalist, free country upside down. How much more do you think he can destroy by the 2010 election one year from now? We can’t wait until 2010 to correct this horrible mistake. By then, if he continues with his Marxist takeover with the lightening fast speed he’s unconstitutionally done everything else, we won’t have an election!

        Why in the world anyone would want to turn a country that everyone is envious of & risk their lives to come here, into the place they are trying to escape! It doesn’t make any sense to my SANE mind. Anyone that wants to go where he is taking us needs serious mental help. I’m not being facetious, I’m as serious as anyone could be. If you WANT the government to have power over you, they you have no confidence in yourself as an individual & should seek help! If you, this Administration, Sean Penn & all the other Marxists want to live in a Marxist government, then you should move to Venezuela & leave the country that our founding fathers established to protect us from tyranny & that 75% of us love alone!

        God Bless America & forgive those who have no idea how wonderful this country truly is in comparison to all the others!

        • DaveH

          I feel your frustration. Welcome to our world.

        • Rod the Other

          STANDING APPLAUSE USMADGIRL…I just have two comments to add.

          Obama’ can only seek to be near the top. Much like Darth Vader in Star Wars he appears to be the BIG BAD***. but the actuallity is he has a handler. That handler is most likely named George Soros. SOROS IS THE SYTHE LORD.

          And secondly, these peope will never willingly go away…They will have to be removed against their will. By either public pressure and/or brute force. They will not give up and walk away…MAKE NO MISTAKE! They seek to expand socialist systems like Venezuala, not escape to them.

          • usmadgirl

            Rod the other (didn’t mean to write a novel),

            I sincerely appreciate your comment & glad that there are people like you who share my frustration & anger. I’ve never felt so helpless & out of control of my own destiny! As I began writing this, that “so-called president” was on my TV (on Fox News) AGAIN (still doing the only thing he knows HOW to do…campaign), telling more lies to more airheads that still believe he’s a “good man” despite his radical views! WHAT? By whose standards – satan’s? He’s ALWAYS on my TV! On the lighter side of my more serious, previous comment – I’m so sick of seeing him I could cry, scream or just puke! I’ve seen HIM more than ALL the presidents in my lifetime…combined! Just like his SPENDING that’s been M0RE than all the presidents…combined! Then he has the audacity to STILL blame all the spending & deficit on Bush!

            Obama’s spending is equivalent to some POOR person that wins the lottery, spends it ALL on foolish things, ends up broke & having to SELL all the things (for less than they initially paid) to buy groceries & pay their bills OR like college students that get their first credit card, immediately spend it to the limit, can’t pay the payment & have to ask their parents for more money! The only difference is that the money Obama is spending is NOT HIS, it’s OURS. AND, the only thing he has to SELL to pay back what he owes to China & anyone else he borrowed against OUR future, is OUR land in OUR country!

            I know that these radicals don’t WANT to ‘escape to Venezuela’, but that’s where I WANT all of them to go & just leave the TRUE America-loving citizens alone to live in the Liberty our founding fathers established to protect us from the likes of this Marxist narcissist!

            I know that Soros is the “Sith Lord”! What rock did he crawl out from under & why don’t CONSERVATIVES have a “Soros”? To hear the Liberals tell it, we’re all a bunch of “greedy, astroturf, rich, white racists” so why doesn’t at least one of those wealthy “racists” cough up some money to fund the conservative “agenda” -getting these Marxists out of office?

            I’m a middle aged (or was at the time) widow whose husband died 7 years, 4 months ago & had no insurance. I’ve been self employed as an independent real estate title abstractor for 16 years & at the time he died, my business was at its slowest. I was left to “fend for myself” at the worst possible time! Last year was my best year in a LONG time (which is still living on the edge of poverty) & despite being SO against Obama & the stimulus package, I honestly THOUGHT my business would be “BOOMING” when we were TOLD that the ‘stimulus’ was supposed to help people refinance the homes that were about to go into foreclosure & “stimulate” the economy. Well, guess what! My business is slower right now than it’s been in YEARS. And guess what else! The majority of the business I DO get is FORECLOSURES! This dishonest administration didn’t want to ‘help people keep their homes’ or I’d have more business than I could do. Another “LIE”! They don’t CARE if everyone has health care or care about correcting the “climate change” farse (instead of ‘Global Warming’ since the earth’s temperature has dropped & screwed up their other “BIG LIE” -Al Gore is an embarrassment to my great state of TN. I met him when he was running for the Senate YEARS ago & he was an idiot then, too) or become “energy independent’! It’s ALL about the power to “fundamentally transform” this country, period, just like Obama said he’d do, but ignored by half the country!

            I wasn’t wild about John McCain, but I felt that he was at least a patriot & the “lesser of two weasels”. I’ve been blessed with a good judgment of character & knew that Obama was evil & thought he’d be president someday when he first became a senator. I just didn’t think it would be in 2008 & never dreamed he’d be the radical Marxist he is!
            Call me naive, but I didn’t think there were so many ignorant people in the WORLD, much less this country!

            I’ve always been a conservative Republican, but my boyfriend of 6 years introduced me to Fox News. I thank God for Glenn Beck & for Fox for allowing him to do what he does. He has inspired me to read, research & learn from history. I watch his show twice a day & take notes. After his show, I’m mentally & physically exhausted & angrier every day! He’s made me aware of what I suspected but didn’t know how it all fit together. Everything he says, he proves with these radicals’ own recorded words & still some call Glenn a nut job!

            I have sweet neighbors, but they’re so unconcerned it makes me crazy & one is a conservative teacher. I’ve begged them to watch Fox & Glenn, but they continue to watch CNN & other “Obama-worshipping propaganda” networks. Most of them think this is all God’s plan & nothing can be done to stop it & that might be, but I’m going down fighting! I’m sure you’ll be there as well! Thank you for your additional comments. God Bless You!

          • Rod the Other

            USMADGIRL…I’ll be there shoulder to shoulder with you!

            It is an intersting thing to know that Obama had given more public addresses in his first 7 months in office than Bush did his entire 8 years. I guess when your trying to CON-people you can’t stop feeding them BULL until the deal is done…TOO all the LEFTIES here, get ready for the buyers remose!

            USMADGIRL…You sound VERY much like you are awake and thinking. At this point we have to wake others and the best way to do that, is just like Glen Beck is doing and that is with the VERY WORDs of Obama and his wrecking crew.

            Good luck & fight the good fight!

          • JeffH

            usmadgirl, You hang in there because there are plenty of us faced with this common threat to our fundamental rights of freedom. Keep watching FOX and Beck to stay informed and trust that your fight, our fight, won’t be for naught. Afterall, this is America. Keep your chin up kid!

          • denniso

            RTO..it’s true that Bush didn’t give many speeches…He couldn’t think or talk!! You’re making up numbers again anyway..WRONG!!

        • Dennis

          I could not have said that better myself, its like your inside my head. Here are some sites to look at, Obama WILL sign this tready and it WILL destroy America’s Freedom, and this is in Dec of THIS year.
          All who are reading this go to these sites now.
          richmanramblings.blogspot.com
          http://www.phil801.com
          globalclimatescam.com
          There’s more to Obama than you see, he’s out to do everything usmadgirl said and more.
          Read the history of the great countries that have fallen to socialism, marxism, millions murdered, all for liars like Obama and his Agenda.

          • usmadgirl

            Dennis – Thank you for your kind words. I’m glad to know that I share thoughts with someone else that actually HAS a BRAIN!!! I had every intention of replying to your comment all week but I’ve actually had work this week (no thanks to Obama & his stimulus lie) & also had to get my October invoices to my customers so I MIGHT get paid before Christmas. If you read my LONG “reply” to Rod the Other” on 11/04/09 you’ll know what I do.

            As I’m writing this reply, the “House” is “debating” the so-called “health care” fiasco! Another LIE of the “devil”!

            I heard about the “Treaty” & the stupid “Climate Change Conference” in Copenhagen in December on Beck (of course)on 10/30/09 . I haven’t had time to read all the articles on the sites you suggested but I will. Why are we allowing the “climate change” lies to continue? God has been taking care of the climate forever! Al Gore, an embarrassment to my state of TN, is getting even richer pretending to be the “Global Climate God”. We need to let God have control of the “thermostat”, not DA Al!

            If you’d told me 13 months ago that I’d be “blogging” or that I’d HAVE to write my representatives to complain, I would’ve told you “you’re nuts”! The frustrating thing for me is that all MY Tennessee representatives vote my views 98% of the time. Everyone wants to get rid of all the incumbents, but I don’t want to cut my nose off to spite my face! I had an “ax to grind” with Lamar Alexander when he voted to confirm racist, Sonia Sotomayor & I “ground his ax”, but other than that, he, Bob Corker & Zack Wamp voted “nay” to confirming Cass Sunstein, “nay” to the unnecessary “hate crimes” bill (even tho it made them vote against the Defense Bill it was attached to)! That’s another discussion – we need to make Congress vote for bills SEPARATELY, NOT “bills rolled into a big unconstitutional ball”!

            I was supposed to be at the http://www.teapartynation.com “One Year Notice Protest” in Nashville, TN today with my son & his wife, but was unable to go (3 hours away for me). My local Chattanooga Tea Party & other cities across the state joined forces to have a BIG protest in Nashville so they could be “ignored by the White House” again! I just pray that the protesters aren’t getting discouraged by their voices being dismissed by the Marxist idiots that have no clue what “grassroots” even is!

            Thank you again & God Bless You & Our Country!

      • usmadgirl

        This is for eyes wide open:
        The comment from “usmadgirl” on November 1, 2009 at 12:41 am

        • JeffH

          usmadgirl, thanks for your well written comments. George Soros is the money man behind this scheme and stands to only add to his billions along with his personal choice of a president. It is all out there on the “yet to be government controlled internet” for all to see. You can’t reason with eyes or any other Obama supporter and they can’t remotely reason with our thinking.

          • usmadgirl

            JeffH, Thank you for your response (on Nov 1 – I’m running behind with my reply)!

            I don’t remember George Soros being on the ballot when I voted, do you? So why is he (& Andy Stearn & all the other Marxists) running our country? Obama is such a “narcissist” that I can’t believe he lets anyone assist him in destroying the country! I would think he’d want to screw it up all by himself so he could take all the credit!

            My question, as I said in my LONG reply to “Rod the Other” is WHY don’t WE have a “George Soros” to assist us in our agenda for Liberty & upholding the Constitution? I thought conservatives were “wealthy, white racists”! So where’s the money?

            By the way, “eyeswideshut” didn’t reply to my comment to him! Wonder why that was? Why would these liberals even subscribe to “Liberty Alert”? Is it simply to express their factless ignorance? Why don’t they blog with their own kind? Oh my gosh, I’m getting as mean as everybody else!

            We’d better enjoy this time to express our opinions before this right to free speech (as well as all our others) is soon taken away!

            God bless you, our country, the loved ones of all those brave people at Fort Hood who lost their lives & those who were wounded at the hand of another TERRORIST! Yes, TERRORIST – that our so-called president said for us to “not jump to conclusions” about!

    • EL CHICHON

      Ain’t gonna happen as long as we have the fox guarding the hen house folks.

  • Snowbird In New Hampshire, USA

    I’m trying to figure out if Obama is a Christian or a Musslin or something else…

    • Carri

      Let’s focus people. WHO CARES WHAT RELIGION HE IS!?!? He is only a puppet for the powers that put him there anyway; the powerful, moneyed, powermongers; the international elite who are getting ready to initiate a One World Government waiting only for a world wide disaster in order to take the reigns. This sounded like conspiracy freakish babble to me 10 years ago, not so much any more. We are about to lose our sovereignty and you are worried about how often Obama goes to church? We need to mobilize and get involved. Middle to conservative right America has sat too long on the side-lines letting the motivated progressives make all the decision. It’s time to take America back!

      • Gideon Jones

        Oh but it does matter when your (religion ???) is one whose stated objective is to kill all Christians and destroy the USA(The great Satan)
        and fly airplanes into the NY Towers and ( craft they could never build themselves)
        What is even more revolting is to pretend to be a Christian while plotting t0 destroy Christianity the Foundation of this Great Nation.

      • JeffH

        You and I know who the real power and money is behind Obama. Two peas in a pod!

      • American Citizen

        It matters a great deal. Muslims want Sharia law. Some European countries are letting them have it. They had better wake up before it’s too late. The goal of the Muslims is to make the whole world Muslim.

    • Norm

      Start by figuring what day of the week it is?

      • JeffH

        You did way to much acid in your day!

      • DaveH

        Is it break-time at the trough Norm?

        • Norm

          DaveH
          I made every penny I have, and I have a few. I earned two degrees, worked as an engineer, and raised a family. No help from you required.

          • Rod the Other

            Norm..If that is the case, I am having a hardtime reconciling your views with your achievements. You do realize that your views seem to aspouse that you can’t succeed without the government and when you do, your supposed to give it to the government so they can give it to those in need.
            Under Obama noone will be able to follow your path. Once you become successful your a bad guys and it needs to be commandered by the government for the great collective?
            Can you please explain?

          • eyeswideopen

            Rodthe other, you people are all assuming that for years, those of us that are successful, stood in food stamp lines, or got some kind of federal assistance. Hard work is what got us to this position. I haven’t gotten a damn thing from my government ever! I have been a tax paying, Republican all my adult life and thought I belonged to a fiscally responsible party. My error. If you think that keeping the same Congressmen in power who caused this mess, is the smart thing, then grab you butt and sign over all your assets to the Corporate Raiders who are controling this country. The Fed Reserve, who was headed by the Republicans, from Goldman Sach (look at the history) have let the markets run free with no restraints and this is what we have. I don’t even believe we should have a Fed, but some people love it as they can manipulate it to their advantage.Presently we have the exact situation that Thomas Jefferson warned us about. The Banks own and control everything, including our Congressmen. Even Alan Greenspan admitted that thinking the banks would monitor and restrain themselves from corruption and greed, was an illogical theory. This situation has been building since the 1980′s and we failed to learn from the Savings and Loan debacle. Which cost us 124.6 billion. 747 institutions had to be saved by Bush Sr. The industry was deregulated and it cost 124.6 billion. We just don’t learn, we don’t want to look back at our mistakes and analyze what went wrong, we just blindly make the same mistakes over and over again. It is so ironic that the year (1999) that we finally paid off the Savings and Loan debt, we then deregulated the Banking and Investment industry. Problem made worse as it affected our stock market worse than the piddlely Saving and Loan did. Go, figure, get those blinders on and let’s blame anyone but ourselves as we can’t find anything that we were wrong about.

          • JeffH

            It is TROLLS like Norm and eyeswideopen and their ilk that make all of the “assumptions”. It becomes obvious everytime they open their pie holes.

          • Rod the Other

            eyeswideopen…the name you have given your self is obviously sarcasim. Your response to my post made no sense and you obvioulsy did not read it before you decided to comment on it.

            Let me simplify it for you…If you think the Government is going to fix anything your wrong! If you think Government handouts help anyone but but those who refuse to help themsevles your wrong! the only thing the Government is succeful at is screwing things up and convincing people the “other party” is to blame for the problem.

            EYES WIDE SHUT COMMENTED: “you people are all assuming that for years, those of us that are successful, stood in food stamp lines, or got some kind of federal assistance”.
            The only people that make that kind of assumption are Socialists. I believe in personal responsibilty and as MINIMAL Government intervention into our personal lives as possible…BASICALLY A UNITED DEFENCE AGINST FOREIGN THREAT.
            AND who are the “You People…” your talking about?

            I’m trying real hard to not take a sh***y tone with you, but I find it hard to talk rationaly to the irrational!!!
            READ MY POST AGAIN AND GET BACK TO ME….BY THE WAY, MY POST ABOVE SPEAKS OF VOTING ALL THE INCUMBENTS OUT OF OFFICE…WE NEED TO CLEAN HOUSE.

          • eyeswideopen

            Expousing that you can’t succeed without the government and when you do, you want to give it to others that don’t have blah blah. blah You can’t be successful if the monopolies are price fixing, and the Banks are acting as casinos, playing with our money and deceiving us. Some regulation is required, as men cannot control greed, and they sure can’t hold themselves to a standard of restraint required to avoid corruption.A great example of self monitoring is our present situation. Banking Industry performed with self requlating restraint and kept itself in check, hardly. Maybe you could poll the other countries who were drawn into our mess and see what they think of our self controling market? You are a Libertarian and you can’t accept the fact that a free running market failed and almost put us into a depression. This whole situation ruins the whole Libertarian philosophy of free markets. Facts provide for logical premises or occurances which reason is derived from. I have never stated that I wanted government to give money to others, you are assuming that because you think I am a liberal. I am a pissed off Republican who can state that my party did not have a fiscally responsible moment during the 12 years they had conrol of Congress.

          • Rod the Other

            I want to take a second to point to a positive thing between us EYES… I am a registered Repub and like you I’m PISSED off at what the party has become. They have become what the Dems used to be and the DEMs have become progressive (which is decidedly worse).

            With that said…I will never abandon my belief in the free-market. It has done more to advance the human race than any other system to date.
            While we also agree that our free-market system is failing. I disagree that it is the system and instead point to the people in it. If you wear a slick suit, have a nice smile, have great hair, and say warm fuzzy words the ignorant majority will buy what is being sold hook line and sinker. We don’t need to abandon a system that has done so well for us, we need to get the bad apples out of the barrel…Starting with Obama and working through all of his kindred spirits.

          • Rod the Other

            EYESWIDESHUT…..I don’t know where your getting this from, but you couldn’t be MORE wrong:

            “Expousing that you can’t succeed without the government and when you do, you want to give it to others that don’t have”.

            That is not what I was saying in that post and never in my life have I believed that the Government is the answer for anything but their Constitutional mandate of a united defense! If I earned it, I get to decide who gets it!

          • eyeswideopen

            Rodthe other, I have spent the past two hours researching info on the deregulation in 1999, and I have decided that I am wrong. I however do stand by the belief that the Savings and LOan crisis was caused by the deregulation in the 80′s. I believe in a free market, however, I don’t believe in the concept of too big to fail. I understand why we had to bailout the banks, but I don’t see how they will prevent another occurance of the same exact situation. My mind can’t even wrap around the fact that the market took years to get past the 10,000 mark, drops to 6800 and then within a year is back up to 10k. This has got to be bogus profits and is setting us up for another bubble which of course will burst, once again leaving us holding the gift bag. I do know that the corporate subsidies and our entitlement programs are adding to the financial mess but I was not able to find recommendations on how to prevent the same crisis in the near future. Can you recommend any sites? The Cato Institute only refuted the causes didn’t give it’s opinion on what caused it.

          • Rod the Other

            EYESWIDE OPEN…I don’t completely disagree that the deregulation was a part of the S&L debaucle…but that was a nasty web of contributing factors and I think it would take a REAL SHARP UNBIASED forensic auditor to put a fine point on ranking the contributing factors. But I believe the main catalist to the crisis was once again lowering of the lending & accounting critieria to allow for less credit worthy individuals to get loans, as outlined by the CDA / CRA, and less stringent accounting principles leading to over-valued assets (can you say derivatives?).
            The agency that was at the forefront was American Thrifts (an organization that is akin to ACORN). They beleived they were more of an agent of social reform and caused a lot of volatility in the lending market. That volatiltiy lead to a lot of hanky-panky in accounting. When the market was deregulated it exposed the finacial weakness of these institutions. The intent of the deregulation was to allow (or force depending on your economic viewpoint) these institutions to “grow” out of their problem by way of market demand. But the results (unintended consequences) was they started offering more and more risky or diluted products and instead it got more “toxic”. Property lost vaule instead of “growing into”

          • Rod the Other

            EYESWIDE OPEN…Degregulation was intended to counteract the effects of the risky lending practices that ensued from the CDA/CRA. Banks began to over extend themselves because of interest rate wars started by the American Thrifts. The Amercian thrifts are similar to ACORN in that they viewed themselves as more of a social reform group than a lending institution. As a result of weakened lending and accounting criteria, the American Thrifts began to “over-state” (can you say derivative) their assets so they could continue & expand their social mission. Deregulation was passes with the intent of forcing them to “grow” out of their problem by continuing the increasing market value of their assets. It was thought that it would feed the value of housing and continue the growth. But, it actually exposed how weak the market was. Then two counteracting things happened. The American Thrifts started offering more risky products & the investors realizing that their assets were worth less than they though which they then started selling them. This caused the house market to crash and began the dominos tumbling. As usual, it was abandoning of free-market principles that harmed the free-market. American Thrifts, being a socialist organization, introduced a disease to the free-market system and extricating it was painful.

            I am FULLY with you on the sentiment of too big to fail…If an organization is too big to fail then it is probably some sort of Monopoly, oligopoly, or something that is a threat to a TRUE free-market. In that case, it is too big to exist in the first place and intervention needs to happen…This is one of the VERY RARE instances the Government needs to step-in and protect its people.

            I am conflicted on the bank bailouts…My initial reaction is let em fail…Some other wiser entity will pick its bones and they got what they deserved. But I have had many conversations with economists, bean counters and investors and have been talked off the ledge on this one. I finally arrived at, the banks that recieved bailout money should be ran business as usual (compete fairly with other banks), but all of their profits are to first and foremost be directed back to the US tax payer…no room for negotiation! It needs to be so painful that they never want to do it again!

            The stock market is in flux right now…I’ve talk to many people on this and the most informed person has an opinion, back with quantificaton, that the market should be around 8,500 give or take. The market dropped to 6,500 because investors are scared that Obama is going to take their Capital gains or just break contract law again. If you take a close look at the businesses being invested in, most of them ARE NOT UNION. The market is up right now due to short term investing, people figure that Obama is being held up by the “party of NO” and isn’t going to get much done this year. Take a look, everytime Obama fails at pushing something the market rallys. If the bubble does burst, it will be because Obama got something like healthcare or CAP&TAX through.

            Sorry, I can’t recommend any sites. I can only offer the suggestion that, would you / could you run your household the same way? Would you buy your daughter a motorcyle because your son rides his bike faster than she does?

          • eyeswideopen

            Rod, I have been reviewing the government spending web site. From 1992 to 2000 the welfare spending went from 220.06 billion to 267.66 and increase of 47.60 billion, During time frame of 2000 to 2008, it went from 267.88 to 477.25 an increase of 209.59 billion. This is the reason why I cannot believe that Republicans can actually critize or accuse others of being socialists. What in the hell happened when Bush took control? We went wild. Do you have any explainations?
            The website is: usgovernmentspending.com/downchart.

          • Rod the Other

            NORM…You still haven’t reconciled your socialist beliefs with your achievements under our beautiful CAPITALIST system. Should I keep waiting on a response from you or has EYESWIDESHUT been responding for you?

          • DaveH

            The bottom line of all this debating is that Government screws up most everything that it gets involved with. If Big Government was the solution, then why are we in the mess we’re in now? It sure couldn’t be much more involved than it already is.
            It is so clear to me. I can’t understand why others can’t see. For every new government employee we create, we lose someone from the private sector. In the private sector people create goods or provide services to those who voluntarily contract to receive them. In the government sector people not only don’t create anything, but they actively hamper those that are trying to. I call that negatively productive.
            As far as regulations go, the best regulator of all is the consumer. They actually have skin in the game. The government takes its skin from others. They have a vested interest in ever more regulations that give them more money and power. They (the leaders) are making fools out of most of the population. Anybody who isn’t blindly partisan can see that.
            The left worries about greed and corruption at the business level but they turn a blind eye to the greed and corruption at the government level. People are greedy in all walks of life. It isn’t just the rich that are greedy, the poor are greedy too. They want to take the money of others for their own with no thought whatsoever of how hard those others might have worked for their money. Many older people have lost their life savings because Government coerced banks to lend to unworthy borrowers who precipitated the banking collapse. Yes, the banks should have made more of an effort to resist. And no, they shouldn’t have been bailed out. But now many more old people stand to lose their life savings (in cash accounts) as the dollar becomes worth less and less due to excessive government spending. Do the greedy handout-seekers care? It’s doubtful; they are too focused on that trough.
            We are going to continue being in turmoil in this country as long as people think the ‘one size fits all’ approach of Big Government is the solution. A large portion of the population will always be unhappy no matter which ideology is in power. I don’t care if the right or the left is in power; we are going to continue in turmoil until people realize that Big Government is the Problem not the Solution.

          • Rod the Other

            DaveH….STANDING OVATION, CLEAR & CONCISE!!!

          • Rod the Other

            EYES…Make no mistake, that social spending is a BIG part of the reason that I no longer call my self a Repub and instead call my self a Conservative. There is no excuse for the increased spending under Bush. A massive part of that increase went to ILLEGAL ALIENS…The ILLEGAL population more than doubled in the 10 years or so, and Bush sought to give them all anesty….Who knows, he may have had some residual coke in his nose, and a belly full of booze that drained slowly…This spendig is a major part of why I think Bush was not only a poor President, but not really a Repub and a traitor to the party…BUT HE’S STILL BETTER THAN OBAMA! The things he screwed-up can be fixed…the things OBAMA is fixing to screw up will be forever, barring an armed violent revolt!

            But, don’t be fooled by the numbers alone, they are skewed. In the later half of the 90′s the welfare to work program saw a decline in the welfare payments. That program was pushed by the Repubs under Gingrich’ leadership and Clinton was dragged kicking and screaming to it. In the last 8 years or so the Dems have done a lot to dismantle it. If fact the state of California NEVER fully implemented it which is why our social spending of so out of control and the state is near collapse. ALSO, OBAMA signed on executive order in his first few months in office ending it…SO watch and see it sky-rocket now!

          • JeffH

            DaveH, it is good to read your words of reason and wisdom once again. How are things with you, OK I hope.

          • DaveH

            Rod and Jeff,
            Thank you.

  • lea

    Does the American public realize their President has not been to church since the Innaguration day.

    • Sue

      But he certainly has been out at the golf courses! He’s been out golfing more in 10 months than Bush did in his whole term as President! Amazing.

      • American Citizen

        He’s not only absent in church, he’s mostly absent in the White House. How many miles has he logged in Air Force 1 since he took office? How many carbon footprints has he put into the environment? he travels around to keep from making the hard decisions. He’s relying on computer war games to make his decision on Afghanistan.

      • eyeswideopen

        That’s cuz Bush could golf worth a crap. But I do like that he actually works and doesn’t take as many vacation days as Bush did.

        • Consrvatives United

          He does not have to take vacations, because he is on ONE BIG VACATION!!! A MENTAL ONE!!!!!

    • Norm

      Better no church than the church of Fallwell or Robertson. Radical Christians are no better than radical Muslims. Twisting God to suit an evil mind crosses all religions. By the way, half the people in this country don’t attend any church and many are damn good people.

      • Rod the Other

        Your wrong again NORM. I don’t go to church, or ascribe to any faith…SO I’m not just a bible thumper saying this.
        Christianity calls for converstion of the hethans.
        Islam (muslum) calls for their destruction and death.
        GEE which faith sounds like the religion of peace (not rest in peace).

      • JeffH

        Obama just decided that it was best not to be seen with his Rev. Wright. He has probably set up “video hate” worshiping with Wright instead. Any computer with a web cam will do the trick.

        • Norm

          JeffH
          At least he’s not a “born again” drunk like his predecessor. Bush still isn’t sure he believes in evolution.

          • Rod the Other

            Hey Norm…You can be a born-again drunk and still beleive in the free-market and US Constitution.
            There is a lot of evidence that Obama is dismantling the free-market system along with the Constitution and all it stands for.

          • eyeswideopen

            Rodthe other, the free market as already been descimated and while it was happening you and the rest of us, were asleep at the wheel.

          • JeffH

            Brilliant response! NOT!

          • Rod the Other

            EYESWIDESHUT…Another ASSUMPTION from you huh. How dare you think that you have the omnition to know what I think or what I was aware of.
            I can tell from the posts your leaving here, your nothing more than an aggitater. I find people like you worthless for discussion. Your an Alinsky devotee.

            So your response about the free-market being ground out by socialist policy is “so what”?

            If you are pretending that you support the free-market, why does you post have the sentiment of “it’s dead and done, now onto the next thing”?

          • eyeswideopen

            Rodthe other, where did I say dead and done and now on to the next thing? Are you sure you are attacking the right person? Let me know.

        • JeffH

          Rod The Other, a nice article in my email from The Heritage Foundation today : Newsweek reports that leftist financier George Soros plans to spend $50 million to remove free-market ideas from economic debates. But as National Review Online columniss Veronique de Rugy writes, “I think Soros’s fortune would be better used trying to get the government out of the market.”
          You can link the article: http://members.myheritage.org/site/R?i=etp9sWNiqoS2LBuACThmMw..

          • Rod the Other

            Awesome….Thanks for the link!

        • Dennis

          You mean like his Blackberry? The one he can take pictures with? The one he can send pictures to anybody with? the one he can send emails to all his friends with? The one that they say they monitor? TO MAKE SURE HE IS HONEST WITH AMERICA? LMFAO

          • Rod the Other

            DENNISO…If you only seek to attack and offer no intelligent matter for a discussion then just go back to your liberal seminar and drink the punch and stay in your echo chamber.
            All of the others here, whether they agree or disagree are engaging in DISCUSSION and debate. Not SAL ALINSKI like attacks. Find something that has fact behind it or go away…NO ONE NEEDS AGITATORS IN A CIVIL DEBATE!

          • eyeswideopen

            Rod, this is a person called Dennis, it is not the one you hate, called denniso. You might want to apologize as Dennis is on your side.

          • Rod the Other

            THANKS FOR POINTING THAT OUT EYES.

            DENNIS…Many, many appologizes. When I scrolled up I must have confused your comment as being “attached” to another.
            I am very sorry for the mistake, I was WAY to quick on the gun. I’m trying to go through to many posts to fast.
            Again Sorry…

      • Consrvatives United

        Question NORM: When was the last time you were in a church, to evaluate what really happens in a church?? And if you have been was it a real Christian Church that is a Bible based church, or one of the many “Feel Good Churches” that do not believe in the Bible, or only believe the parts they want to, and ignor the rest of it???
        I will tell you that I am a Born Again Christian that is very active in a Bible based church.

      • EL CHICHON’

        Norm,
        You are as wrong as a four foot yard stick. You don’t know the first thing about Christianity.

  • Carri

    Since the Republicans that do have positive, evokative ideas for resolution of the problems we are facing are effectively “disappeared” by the mainstream press, it’s no wonder Republican approval ratings are lower than democrats. When one owns the media, one has to assume one will come out smelling like a rose in one’s owned media.

    What’s really interesting is that over the last 10 years Reps and Dems have averaged a less than aveage (50%) approval rating, and yet We The People vote the incumbents back in at 98%. Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. (Albert Einstein). No More INCUMBENTS!!!!

    • Sew

      Right ON!!! You hit the nail on the head… No more Incumbents!

      • Carri

        It’s the only real answer!

    • Judy

      No More Incumbents………..It would make a good bumper sticker!

    • Rod the Other

      CARRIE..This really is the heart of the matter, Career politicians will be the death of our country… Republican, Democrat, Independent…Whatever….VOTE THEM OUT, VOTE THEM OUT, VOTE THEM OUT!

    • JeffH

      This is the idea that keeps being repeated to clear the government of the deadbeat politicians sucking the bloodlife out of America. But we all must do our part and research the alternatives before a single vote is cast. Words are a dime a dozen and voting records are publicly available through the web.

    • DaveH

      Come on Guys. There are some good incumbents. And it is easy now to find out how your representatives are voting (at least until the Great Usurper takes over the Internet). Let’s not throw out the baby with the bath water. If we do that there is no reward for doing the right thing – kind of like Socialism.

      • Rod the Other

        DaveH I understand your caution against being rash. But, out here in California we have a republican party that actively sought to raise the taxes, but knowing it would cause problems at the voting booth, they “selected” who in the party that would offer the fianl 3 votes to pass the new taxes.
        The dems needed 3 votes to get it passes. The Repubs had all signed a “no new taxes” pledge. I think the reubs though it politically expedient to give the 3 votes that would pass the taxes and let the Dems suffer for it later.

        The bigger problem here is, is that the party faithful are willing to play games with OUR lives in order to further the party.

        The only solution the way I see it is to not let ANY politician spend enough time in office to be able to gain the inside knowledge that will allow them to “GAME” to system. ANY incumbent should be purged this time around…and we should impose a STRICT 2 term limit…
        The Government is supposed to be, “of the people, by the people, for the people”. To allow for career politicians is to allow that belief to be minimize and eventually eradicated…Like it is today.

        • eyeswideopen

          Rodthe other, Dave, is just trying to protect Ron Paul, who got 75 million in earmarks for his district in Texas. Ron acted just like all the other incumbents and Dave doesn’t want him to lose his seat, as Ron, is actually a Libertarian in Republican clothes. I agree, vote them all out. We definately need some younger representatives who know what it is like to not be a millionaire and only get an average increase in their salaries of 3.8% a year for ten years.

          • Rod the Other

            yeah…That’ll fix them huh EYESWIDESHUT? Maybe we can get a bunch of liberal arts grads from Berkely to make ALL of the important decisions about our economy. That way we can stick-it to the man and be all warm and fuzzy inside about how we were just trying to make things equal. You know, SOCIAL JUSTICE…does that sound good to you.

            Why the H*ll would “young” be a decisive criterion for appointment? Is it because young people who don’t have anything support redistributive policy far more than older people. If someone isn’t worth more than 3.8% over 10 years, then I question why you’d want to employ them in the first place. AND WHY would you think that a person who can’t demand better than 3.8% over 10 years is fit to run a Government that is founded on the principle of Capitalism?

            How about us going back to the spirit of our founding fathers and appointing people to office that run businesses. Particulary small business. The overwhelming employer of people and generators of wealth is small business…These are the people largely spoken of in, “of the people, for the people, by the people”.

            Quote from T. Jefferson:
            Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.

          • Consrvatives United

            We need to vote them all out, (both parties), because many of them have , “BEEN THERE TOOOOOOOOOO LONG”. They have the Washington Belt Line mentality. Too many under the table, or back room deals are made to keep them in office and for their personal benifit, not for the benefit of WE THE PEOPLE!!!

          • eyeswideopen

            Rod, you don’t read very well, I said younger. Meaning not 72 years old. You sure jump to conclusions don’t you? Not Millionaires but knowing some who only have made a 3.8& increase. In other words, able to relate to everyone in the spectrum. I really don’t care if they are millionaires as long as they don’t vote on issues pertaining to their own finances. It would be nice if my Congressman didn’t have so many houses or cars that he can’t tell me how many he has. To be able to govern well, you have to be able to relate to the masses the majority of whom aren’t wealthy. Please note again, I never said anything about liberal arts, you are projecting your hatred of liberals on to me. What you are describing is exactly what I was stating, only obviously I don’t speak as well as you, or else you wouldn’t have felt the need to attack me. I am an admirer of Thomas Jefferson, so I know most of his well known quotes. You don’t have to bother using those to try and influence me.

          • Rod the Other

            Ok EYES..If you like we can pul back the teeth and try again at debating the issue rather than denegrating each other.

            But first let me say, that I am a very good reader, with excellent comprehension.

            I respectfully disagree that a politician needs to identify with the people. What I think politician needs to due is understand that the Constituion is the finest document ever written and that it needs to be adhered to as much as humanly possible. It is impossible to relate to everyone in the system, someone will get shorted by politicians trying to please everyone. The only way to go about Governing in accordance with the Constitution is to minimize Governmental intrusion. If our Government was run more akin to a sport, we would have a much better outcome. The rules need to be applied evenly and equally. No rule shoud seek to take from one because the other does have.
            Take a look at football…A lineman will never be as successful a running back as someone that has the inherent skills of a running back and vise-versa. To impose rules that say, “well the running back doesn’t have the size of a lineman, but he’s still going to play the line and when he touches the running back, the running back just has to fall down to make it fair”. doing so would crush the quality of the game, but this is the kind of “leveling the playing field” that Obama is seeking.

          • JeffH

            Rod the Other, I find your comments well written, informative and refreshing, and also see that you are trying to keep it somewhat civil. Unfortunately, after repeated attempts to twist your words, put words in your mouth, or call you an idiot, you will lose that civility once in awhile. There are some, and you are intelligent enough to figure it out, that take the critisism and labeling of OBAMA and his cronies personally, and will try to attack and ridicule you to no end. Sometimes you just have to give it all back a little stronger.

          • eyeswideopen

            Ok, how do you propose to reduce the government spending? When someone like Ron Paul took the 75 million in earmarks, it confirmed that every single one of them in office have given up their ethics, political beliefs and can be bought with money, as their main goal is to stay in power (office). How can you stop the needs of the states and the efforts of the Congressmen to supply those needs? It is impossible to change the way we do business until we turn over the old guard. How can you get the people to accept a lower standard of living due to not getting federal assistance?

          • Rod the Other

            First off…Thank You Kindly JEFFH.

            Secondly…Your comment about turing over the old guard couldn’t be more true.
            The Constitution state that those powers that are not granted by the Constitution remain with the states. While congress did give itself the power to tax through a constitutional amendment. The underlying principle of the Constitution is to come together to from a united defense against foreign threat. To that end, I think we stop all the FEDERAL spending by making the FEDERAL Gov. live within the constraint that the only monies they can confiscated and therefore spend are limited to those monies which are spent on a united defense, national disaster relief, or things that are for the protection of the inhabitants of all states (there’s a lot to cover here, so I am broad-brushing). Governmental is supposed to be strongest where it is closest to the people it affects. The chain of power should go Local Gov, County Gv, State Gov, and THEN FEDERAL GOV. Right now that is all upside down and the FED is the most powerful. This would end earmarks and return the power to the rightful owners…The people. Beleive it or not, this would raise the standard of living for ALL those that aren’t looking to the Government for an entitlement payment.

            Also, I am not defending Ron Paul but it’s one of those things…how long can you stand in the rain leaning against your ethics while watching all the pigs at the trough eat & eat until there is no food left? At some point you are cutting your nose off to spite your face if you don’t take some yourself…It is a SICK reality. And that’s why we have to stop them because they can’t stop themselves. Drug addicts don’t stop willingly, someone has to step in.

          • eyeswideopen

            Rod, if I used your justification for Ron Paul, it could probably be applied to a large number of Congressmen. Ethics is ethics. Everyone eventually gets tired of standing by at the trough and watching others eat, but the moral resist and do not partake. That is what is wrong with this country, we have lost our ethics. Just because everyone is doing it, does not make it right. What is ironic, is that Ron Paul, got the largest amount in earmarks when he got the 75 million. He was one of the few who I still had faith in, and now he has become a regular Republican feeding at the trough and critizing others doing the same.

          • Rod the Other

            Well EYES…I think that the appropriate path here is to address the cause not the symptom. If we remove the ability for the FEDERAL Gov to have earmarks we cure the cause.
            I have lost faith in the ETHICS of pretty much ALL politicians. I saw a study just a few months ago that was done by a panel of phycologists. It concluded that the personality traits of a politician are EXACTLY the same traits of a SERIAL KILLER…Comforting isn’t it. A politician can look you straight in the face and lie to you about “that’s not my hand on the knife in your back”…”uh, I was pulling it out, even though it feels like I’k pushing it deeper”. The power needs to be returned to the people.

            Two Quotes from Jefferson that I think apply well here:

            Every government degenerates when trusted to the rulers of the people alone. The people themselves are its only safe depositories.

            Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.

          • DaveH

            EyesWideShut,
            Yada, Yada, Yada.

            Am I the only one on this site that can see through Eyes’ charade?
            Please tell me ‘no’.
            She/he is a lefty masquerading as an ex-Republican because she/he thinks it lends more credence to her/his comments.

          • Rod the Other

            I’ve been thinking that the whole time…No EX-repub, who is supposedly sick of the camp fires the Repubs have been setting in the last number of years would say, “ok now I’m going to burn the whole village down and sid ewith Obama because the Repubs pisses me off”. It is a very flimsy disguise and easily seen through if your paying attention.
            But that’s alright, Let em play and maybe the reality of how wrong liberalism is will hit him/her like a ton of bricks. How long can you listen to good logic before it begins to creap in and become a part of your thinking? Poor logic just leaves you feeling like a fool when you step out of the echo chamber (read MSNBC).

          • DaveH

            I figure there are two kinds of Liberals who are promoting this government theft:
            1) the ones who feed at the trough – immoral.
            2) the ones who don’t feed at the trough – immoral and not too bright.

      • JeffH

        That is why it is necessary to “do the research” to cast ones vote wisley.

  • Bob
    • libertytrain

      Bob re yahoo link comment: or does this poll on this site refute your/Yahoonews claim?

    • JeffH

      Daily Presidential Tracking Poll
      Friday, October 30, 2009
      The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows that 30% of the nation’s voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Thirty-nine percent (39%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -9 (see trends).
      Fifteen percent (15%) say that Congress is doing a good or an excellent job while 53% rate Congressional performance as poor. Sixty-two percent (62%) believe that Congress pays more attention to the media than to voters.
      http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

      • Norm

        Sean Hannity’s favorite poll.

        • Rod the Other

          Do you think that may be because it has a strong track record of being accurate?

          • eyeswideopen

            LMAO.

          • JeffH

            Don’t state the facts, Norm and his ilk wouldn’t have a clue!

          • Rod the Other

            EYESWIDESHUT & NORM…This Thomas Jefferson quote is for you:

            He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.

          • Consrvatives United

            The Rassmusen poll has been the most accruate in elections for many years. They were within 1% of calling the last 3 presidential elections.

          • eyeswideopen

            Nobody asked me why I was laughing, I found it funny that we are discussing a poll. Hit a funny bone. But apparently Rod took offense and is attacking me again. Why does everyone jump to the worst conclusions possible on this site. Paranoia is running rampant.

          • JeffH

            Just maybe nobody really cares!

          • Rod the Other

            EYES..You give yourself to much credit…I didn’t take offense and I most certainly didn’t attack you. I just thought it was an appropriate quote

            …Does this mean we’re not guna snuggle tonight? Don’t be mad at me sweetness…you know you have my heart..

          • Rod the Other

            I guess I do have to admit that when I hear someone I perceive to be a liberal….LMAO…I do recieve that as derition and refutement of a statement.

            I suppose that prompted that quote, because it’s typical for liberal minds to close their minds and belittle anything they do not agree with.

          • DaveH

            Rod,
            Tell me you were kidding about the ‘snuggling’ part. I think that might make you gay, lol. Or if Eyes is indeed a woman (I doubt that), then I would have to feel sorry for you as well as her husband.

          • Rod the Other

            LOL…it only makes me gay if I get (WORD REMOVED)!
            Come on DaveH are you telling me you don’t want to give a hug to all those unfortunate kids at the special olympics. Their all a bunch of special little guys and gals that just need to be shown(WORDS REMOVED)

          • eyeswideopen

            Dave, I have never doubted you about any personal item you have shared with us, I even felt sorry for what your wife did to you. But you can’t even grant me the same respect. I am a woman, and if this is the treatment that you Libertarians are going to give people, then I will fight your party with everything I have. You and Jeff, along with some of the others stoop to the level of trying to degrade and disrespect when you are frustrated. I acted the same way you do for a couple of days, and caught all kinds of hell. I had people telling me they could see a change in me. I could have made many nasty statements about your treatment of your wife,inferring maybe you beat her that’s why she left, but I didn’t. I could have made fun of Jeff for not getting accepted into the military, but I didn’t. Enjoy your humor at the expense of others, but don’t expect them to give any credence to you or your party.

          • DaveH

            Eyes,
            You can dish it out, but you can’t take it.

          • JeffH

            eyeswideopen, you are as guilty as anyone on this post for agitating, not answering direct questions, name calling and twisting the very words that some commentors write. You and your lefty buddies all make assumptions and when confronted, most often you go off subject or justify your answers with questions or examples of what the ever evil Republicans have done.
            Feel free to make fun of me for not being drafted. I am not the least bit ashamed, and I was a patriot then also. It was a relief to me at the time, and certainly justified by the draft board. Besides, I doubt that you would be able to understand what a 1-H classification means.

  • johnf

    Ofcourse CNN would still report great approvals of him.. With their bias ratings…. He can’t be any higher than 25% approval in all reality….Ever since the campaign I have refused to watch CNN(Communist/Nazi/Network) the no bias no bull channel!!!! so they say… But the unthruth to the matter is that they are a international company being paid by international terrorists organizations to promote anything negative about true American politics. Such as Capitalism…. CNN wouldrather bow down to the elite communist/marxist/liberalist/radicalist that to choice to love the american country that gave them freedom all these decades, via the republicans. How can they promote a candidate such as Obama when McCain the greatest highest decorated officer in our country dedicating his entire life to America with 2 decades of leadership. They turned their back on America . They turned their back on Freedom. They turned their back on the Constitution. Isn’t there anyone in Washington DC with legal enough authority to investigate and arrest these portrayers that are breaking every constitutional law right under Americas nose…. I say arrest them and charge them with conspiracy!!!!!!!!! And about Obama and Fox News.. Why is he so interested in destroying them????? Any other President would ignore the media…. HE MOST DEFINITELY HAS SOMETHING TO HIDE FROM AMERICA THAT HE KNOWS THEY CAN AND WILL EXPOSE ABOUT HIM…. THE TRUTH HURTS DOESN’T IT KING HUSSEIN OBAMA?????

    • Norm

      CNN is actually quite politically neutral. MSMBC is very Left and FOX is very Right.

      • Rod the Other

        NORM…SO fair and OPEN debate is far right?

        Just goes to show why some people should be required to pass a competency test before they are allowed to vote…

        You’d love red-china Norm. They think just like you do.

        • Norm

          Fox:
          Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, Bill O’Reilly, VanSustrand, Britt Hume, Chris Wallace. Hell there’s no bias there. Not much truth either.

          • Rod the Other

            Hannity is a commentator that has respectful debates with those of opposing views. At least he allows for others to have opinions that don’t agree with him. Bob Beckle is one of his best friends and most frequent guests.

            Beck is a commentator and had just as much to say about Bush. What don’t you understand that the media is supposed to be our agent for aggresive and insightful questioning of the Government. You’d rather take the Alinski approach because he’s not drinking the same punch as you.

            O’Rielly I see nothing unfair about his coverage of Obama (but I have seen him be onesided when it comes to pot). He is asking questions that need to be answered. Surely the “most transparent president in history” can answer a few critical question? Fair probably, balanced definately…He often has that idiot Dr. Marc La Mont Hill on his show to tow the Colored-Liberal-line.

            Van Sustrend..SHE VOTED FOR OBAMA, but she also realizes she has a journalistic duty to ask the tough question. You may remember how the media used to be a watch dog…not a lapdog like it is now.

            Britt Hume, Chris Wallace…again these guys are the MOST fair and balanced reporters you will find on TV. Can you say that Oberman, Mattews, Blitzer, Kouric are anywhere near as fair and balanced as these guys when it comes to reporting for the people and not towing the liberal line?

          • libertytrain

            Rod, I do remember when the media was a watch dog – I miss those days…when we didn’t know what the journalist were thinking but did know the news they actually reported. It’s very sad. And I started to watch FOX when the other news channels really stopped reporting the news during the early days of the wars and began more of a “yellow journalism” style. Having two Army kids (now serving in Afghanistan) made me want to get what I felt to be more accurate news reporting and yes, I know there are those that would disagree with me…and that’s their prerogative.

          • JeffH

            I just started watching the news again this past year, mainly out of concern for our country. For too many years, news has been full of negative reporting or mis-information. All to often celebrities get all of the press, mostly negative.
            I was really impressed with Obamas early campaign speeches until a close friend said something that opened my eyes to check out Obama’s background. I was stunned, and started to realize what he said and what he will do might not be the same. I know now that I am right.
            All of the dots are connected and two names are joined together at the end. Obama and Soros. No matter where I look on the internet, the answers point to the beliefs and ideals of these two men.

            I have watched CNN, MSNBC, and FOX regularly for almost a year. MSNBC is far left, CNN is left and FOX is on the conservative right.
            FOX will beat the other two when it comes to reporting threats to our freedom and isn’t fearful of crossing the line and telling their audience the facts, sometimes with a right spin, plain and simple. MSNBC never heard of a threat on American freedom and CNN might hit the edges once in awhile.

          • American Citizen

            During the campaign, Fox News commentators tried to warn us about the people who surrounded Obama as well as the Chicago politics he came out of. They played clips of Reverend Wright of whose church Obama was a member for 20 years. Listening to the words of that preacher was chilling.
            One of his friends/acquaintances was Bill Ayres, the home grown terrorist and now university professor. Obama claimed he barely knew Ayres. But Ayres is now claiming he actually wrote Obama’s book, so they obviously knew each other better than Obama claims.

          • JeffH

            American Citizen, so many voters were mesmerized by all of the slick promises(lies) and empty rhetoric and put their trust in this man without ever knowing who he was or what or who he really represents.
            Thanks mainly goes to FOX and to posts on the internet like the Personal Liberty Digest there is much more to discover. Watching the news, CNN, MSNBC and FOX present extroardinary differances in how the MSM presents the political news. Mostly, those reports are based on who they have decided to bed down with.

          • DaveH

            I fear for Glenn Beck. He is a brave man. Evil people do not like being discovered and they are capable of anything. I was married to one at one time, and another is a sibling of mine, so I have personal experience with those kind.

          • JeffH

            DaveH, the thought process of our representatives has never been clearer than now. America has always been considered a leader of the free world. Americans have always cherished their freedom. Freedom in America has been eroding as more and more people become wholly dependent for governments support. This administration has taken advantage of the weakest and promised an “equal distribution” of wealth. Government run Health Care is the “Feature Presentation” to our loss of freedom and a complete intrusive government takeover of our freedoms and our lives, and is uconstitutional. This administration’s intent is to ignore the Constitution as it only stands in the way of their goals of “fundamental change”.
            Our only hope is to keep the pressure on our representatives and don’t give up. In the end, I hope that, we can all make a differance and make our forefathers proud of their accomplishments.
            God Bless America! May we rid our country of all traitors!

          • Norm

            There is a lot of evil in government for sure and in both parties. As a citizen of the great state of Connecticut, I must admit that I am very disappointed in both of my senators.
            There is also a lot of evil being spread by hate radio and a number of people on this blog.

          • JeffH

            Take a close look in the mirror.

          • American Citizen

            Norm, telling the truth about what this administration is doing to this country is not hate speech, You people had better wake up before you are bound into slavery to the Feds.

          • Abbe Del

            Tell it like it is! Good for you, we need people to wake up and smell the coffee!
            America is getting the bums rush into SOCIALISIM. DIDN’T WORK FOR RUSSIA CANNOT WORK FOR US, WE AMERICANS HAVE NEVER BEEN SLAVES TO THE STATE. THE GOVERNMENT WORKS FOR US, SUPPOSEDLY?!

          • Norm

            Don’t worry, nobody bothers with mentally impaired. His biggest fear should be that he’ll get “netted” and hauled away to the funny farm.

          • eyeswideopen

            Dave, you fear for an entertainment commentator, (he stated on Barbara Walters show that he wasn’t a Journalist and he didn’t have to check facts for truth, hence the title commentator) but you don’t for your President? Your values are a little skewed.

          • JeffH

            Baaa Baaa Baaa

          • Rod the Other

            EYES…I beleive Dave’ fear for Beck comes FROM OBAMA and his Chicago style thuggery. It may only be a matter of time before ACORN or SEIU does something on the behalf of Obama and the Socialist movement. They want the lights turned back off. It’s to hard for them to operate with the scrutiny that Beck is bringing.

            KEEP SHINING THE LIGHT OF TRUTH BECK!!!

          • JeffH

            Rod the Other, thought you might find this an amusing read on another Personal Liberty Post, “Senate Votes Against Additional Wall On U.S.-Mexico Border”.
            eyeswideopen says:
            October 31, 2009 at 7:45 pm
            Denniso, Rod the Other, would certainly be a challenge that you would enjoy.
            eyeswideopen says:
            November 1, 2009 at 11:02 pm
            Dennis,He is on another post, He thinks he is an economic wiz kid. It would be interesting if you two conversed.

          • Rod the Other

            Yeah I saw some if his posts at the top of this topic and the guys is a real piece of work. I find his reasoning and debating style to be along the lines of neeneer neeneer neeneer.
            I almost went into that thread a few days ago, but I don’t think I can remain civil. I’ve had all of the immigration discussion with people that actually have a mind and I find the open borders people to be the most closed minded of all. ALL THEY OFFER IS HALF-BAKED IDEAS. “Like everyone has the right to work”. But the just can’t seem to hear that coming here without legal stats is stealing, and unfair to everyone hear legally.

          • denniso

            Someone called Rod the Other…claimed that Barney Frank and Chris Dodd brought about this recession and democrats in general are more responsible than Repubs.
            First, let’s not forget that the collapse started in Shrub’s term. Reagan probably did the most deregulating of our financial system of anyone but it is true that up to the crash most people as well as economists thought we had created a new paradigm for our economy…that we had refined our capitalist system to the point where a huge crash like ’29 couldn’t happen ever again. Greenspan,a libertarian follower of Ayn Rand’s bogus philosophy, lead the way. Dems and Repubs alike helped to deregulate along the way..but Shrub had 6 yrs of total control,until ’06, and he went many steps further. He and Cheny literally put the foxes in charge of the henhouse…former corporate people put into regulatory positions overseeing industries they came from..The SEC made it clear they weren’t interested in investigating any fraud or corruption allegations.There were literally regulators ‘sleeping’ with industry people,rather than doing their job of oversight.
            Don’t forget,Bush(shrub)had total control from ’00 to ’06…Barney Frank and Dodd had almost none. Bush stood back and let the inferno build, as did Greenspan…they had the power to do something about the over heated economy and housing market..they did nothing, and the collapse came w/ Bush in office.
            The only good thing he did during his whole presidency was to start the necessary but very distasteful bailout that helped stabilize the economy. All Obama is trying to do now is save capitalism for the capitalists,by continuing what Bush began.

          • denniso

            DaveH is worried about poor, helpless Beck…it was Beck who on his show went through a little skit imagining what it would feel like to choke Michael Moore to death while he looked into his eyes. Beck is nothing more than a hack filling up his bank acct off of the hatred he engenders among people like you who are looking for someone to demonize because they feel put upon.

          • eyeswideopen

            American, do you remember Jimmy Swaggart and Jim Bakker? Both are doing jail time and many of our politicians were followers of theirs. Are you saying that all of them are morally reprehensible? No, you aren’t drawing that conclusion. You cannot hold people responsible for others actions and language. We are all accountable for our own thoughts, language and deeds. If you know me, socialized with me and suddenly found out I was corrupt, do you think you should be judged by my actions? Of course not. I have experienced many people who have deceived and mislead me during the course of my life, and have not been held accountable for their actions.

          • Rod the Other

            Libertytrain…If you only have one hour a day to spend watching TV I suggest the Glen Beck program… I hope that he is wrong, but the evidence supports his claims.
            From the mouth of Obama, “if you want to know who I am, look at who I surround myself with…” When you start to look, it gets VERY scary who we have in the whitehouse! Chicago politics are now national!

          • libertytrain

            Rod the Other – thanks – I have seen him, just don’t get to watch TV much right now – I’ll try to catch him again as soon as the op arises

          • denniso

            RTO, you are joking of course??Beck is as far from being a responsible journalist as you are…don’t tell a gullible person that there is anything to be learned from that shill.

          • Rod the Other

            DENNISO…I have no reason to beleive that you would undertsand the difference from a commentator (which Beck & I are), and a Journalist (which neither of us say we are). So I won’t even bother…Isn’t there something on MSNBC you could be watching.

          • Maggie

            I like the way you think! Preach on, Brother.

          • Maggie

            Rod–my comment was aimed at you but your name got left off. Sorrrry!

          • Rod the Other

            Well Thank you Maggie…Is there any particular RANT you’d like me to expand on?

          • denniso

            ROD..You and Beck are commentators? impressive!! I thought he was a hack hatemonger and you were just his little sidekick.

          • Blue

            Dennyo,

            Again, you can not come back with an intellegent, FACT BASED response here either, just as you didn’t above. You are like a screaming kid in a supermarket who didn’t get their own way. Do you roll on the floor and stamp your feet too?

            Although I really don’t like doing it myself, it appears that the only way you can communicate is to criticize and denigrate. Hope I’ve made you happy in my responses to you.

            Haven’t you noticed yet, just about everyone has left this “Discussion”? Even Eyeswideopen (deer in the headlights stare, closed mind) and Norm realized they were out of their league and stopped posting. I believe I’ll join everyone else and let you play by yourself. Maybe you can talk to BO, like he’ll listen. :| Ta ta

          • Rod the Other

            LIBERTYTRAIN….Just remember that the ignorant are usually the loadest and when they aren’t getting their way they begin to scream…I suggest a good set of ear plugs.

          • Rod the Other

            AAHh…That should read “loudest”. I guess it was a freudina slip…I do believe ignorant people to be loads (of sh**) as well.

          • libertytrain

            Rod the Other – yes, I’ve kind of noticed that in the comments as well — from ALL viewpoints – comes through in their posts and almost wish I had earplugs sometimes—

          • denniso

            Using your own standard of shouters/screamers being the most ignorant,I suggest you and the others go back and read and make your own judgement as to who is doing most of that and, therefore by your edict, the most ignorant. It sure as hell isn’t Eyes or Norm.

          • Rod the Other

            DENNISO…I would have to say, now that you’ve joined this thread, that you are. You by far have the most vaccus posts. You don’t offer anything for discussion or consideration, you just ridicule and belittle. I find your posts to be completely lacking a serious merit for discussion.
            Can you at least once offer up something that is based on fact and informative? You have essentially stated that the Copenhagen agreement will not usurp American soverignty..AND YOU COULDN’T BE MORE WRONG…your just a liberal shill.

          • denniso

            Rod, Thanks for the welcome..Sticks and stones…

          • Rod the Other

            DENNISO…”sticks and stone”? Very fitting…but I was actually expecting Neener neener neener…

          • libertytrain

            denniso – you haven’t been on that long – at least as denniso – there’s been a lot of cleaning up by all parties in their written words – again, by all parties.

          • JeffH

            Obama and his cronies have become so “enamored” with Fox and their crew, why won’t they appear with them, Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, and dispell the lies that are being told about this administration. I have heard the invitations to appear and/or debate. They won’t and can’t because the accusations by Limbaugh, Beck and Hannity are true.

          • Rod the Other

            Thomas Jefferson

            Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear.

      • Consrvatives United

        Norm,
        Show me the facts on those networks. Your general statements hold as much water as a bucket with not bottom!!!!

    • Rod the Other

      JohnF…As a true conservative, not a republican, I can say McCann would have arguably been worse in office. McCann and Obama are a lot a like. McCann is just OBAMA light.
      At least with OBAMA the destruction is happening so fast it can’t be ignored and he’s waking people up to how our Government has abandoned us & the Constitution.

      The real question to your comment is, “Why the H*** did the GOP put McCann up to run. He never had a chance. It would be my guess that most of the votes McCann got were votes against OBAMA…Like mine.

      • Consrvatives United

        McCain was really the choice of the media, because he is DE-CRAP Lite.

        • Rod the Other

          that couldn’t be more true….LOL

        • JeffH

          I always felt that McCain was just he lesser of two evils.

        • eyeswideopen

          Are you telling me that we let the media pick our candidate? Come on, it was the party, making a decision that was totally wrong for this point in history. Then to compound it, we tried something sly and picked Palin. By you assigning blame to the media for our choice, it makes me crazy. When in the hell are we going to accept responsibility for our actions and decisions? Can’t we just say, yep, we screwed up and didn’t pick Romney or Huckabee. We can’t even admit that we didn’t pick Romney because he is Mormon. That is the only conclusion to arrive at when you look at his qualifications. No affairs, financially independent, tremendous business man, experienced governing, family man, not old (lol), attractive, no corruption found, but the one drawback for this party, was he isn’t a Baptist, he is a Mormon. If that isn’t the reason, someone please tell me why we didn’t like him?

          • Rod the Other

            EYES…I wuna give you a big hug, your not really a LIB (maybe). I think both statements are correct. The party picked him because he was doing-well and accepted-by the media. The GOP thought they could win with him because he “works across the ailse” and the liberal media was more than willing to give him facetime because his beliefs are not that far from theirs. The media was showing the “fair minded Repub” McCann in an effort to compare him to the “media touted” twins of evil Bush/Chenney. And being the little sheep that the Repubs have become, they were more intersted in furthering the party than doing what is right for the country… It’s just another way the Repubs have lost their way, and another reason ti not support any of them. If they want my support back they’ll have to earn it with action, not words…Micheal Steal is an IDIOT and going to keep them going down the whore-politician path.

          • DaveH

            No, it wasn’t the MSM that promoted McCain (sarcasm). It was just a figment of my imagination that every time I looked at a political program whether CNN or ABC or any other during the 2008 primaries there was John McCain. And just as coincidentally, once he won the Republican primary, he virtually disappeared from those same stations.

          • eyeswideopen

            What????? Dave, first you accused the MSM of only covering the Liberal Obama, now you are saying they covered the Republican candidate? What are you changing your mind and acknowledging that the other networks actually did their jobs?

          • DaveH

            I suggest that you reread my comment with your eyes open this time.

          • Rod the Other

            EYES…it is a well (but recently) documented fact the the MSM gives coverage of the left at a 3 to 1 ratio compared to the right.
            Further more that coverage is positive greater then 70% of the time.

      • Norm

        Rod the Other
        I agree. McCain’s view of war is the only major difference between him and Obama. In fact, in some areas, McCain is left of Obama.
        But the same thing happened with the Bush Kerry election. Almost anybody, except Kerry, could have beaten Bush.

        • Rod the Other

          I Don’t think that anyone coud have beaten Bush. Despite what the media pushed about him, He’s not that dumb. I think the biggest problem Bush had was his cronyism.
          Obama suffers from the same cronyism but it is much worse and instead of appointing business people he’s appointing socialist, chicago style thugs.

          • Norm

            Rod the other
            Bush barely beat Kerry. If it weren’t for the swift boat stuff, Kerry would have won. I personally had no use for either of them. I actually voted for Bush the first time. I’m a centrist registered Republican. But the Republican party has been hijacked by the right wing nuts like Jeffh and DaveH and even guys like Gingrich and others are getting the message. The message is that extremists of either party, and Obama is not one, will never win the presidency.

          • JeffH

            UN-NORM-al, first off, I am a conservative not a Republican as you have assumed. Secondly, John Kerry received upwards of $15 millions in legal donations just from George Soros to defeat Bush and Bush stiil beat the pidgeon. I never said I liked or supported Bush, but I also realize Bush hasn’t been the only President to make mistakes with our government, whether intentional or not or Rebublican or Democrat.

          • Rod the Other

            NORM…I’m not going to debate you on the elections and who won by how much because it is pointless and we can throw comments back and forth ALL DAY AND NIGHT.

            But to Obama not being an EXTREMIST….ARE YOU SERIOUS.

            He belives that the Constitution is a flawed document because it puts constraint on the Government ( or as he says, “…outlines a list of NEGATIVE LIBERTIES). He believes it should state what the, “Government MUST do on your behalf”!

            He believes that REPARATIONS is bad. But not because it unfairly punishes people that had nothing to do with it and no control over it, but because it DOESN”T GO FAR ENOUGH!

            He wants to impose CAP & TRADE because he believes this will promote SOCIAL JUSTICE. Even though he admittedly knows energy costs will, “…SKY ROCKET” (his words), if it is passed. By the way, did you know that if it does pass your electricity bill will increase by ATLEAST 90%?!

            He beleives “…spreading the wealth around” is good for everyone. He wants to take from the producers and give it to the non-producers. What do you think this will do to INCENTIVE (which is the driving force behind American success)?….It will crush it. Why would you work harder or longer if it is just going to be taken from you and given to somebody else? Oh and by the way, this will shrink the availability of resources in this country. Which is what his CZAR Cass Senstein believes in anyway….Look it up. He think we need to comsume less so other countries can have it!

            HIS EXTREMISM goes on and on and on and on and on….My brain is about to explode trying to decide what to include in this post and what to leave out!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOOK AT THE PEOPLE HE HAS AROUND HIM…..HIS APPOINTMENTS……….THEY ARE ALL EXTREMISTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Norm

      johnf
      If you can listen and/or watch Hannity and Beck and think that they are not biased to the right, then you are blind or deaf or both. I’ve listened for hours to Hannity. He hates Obama and has hated every thing he’s said since long before the last election. He supports the Heritage society, an ultra right wing think tank, and loves Ronald Reagan, espicially his voodoo economics(so named by his VP GHW Bush). He loved deposed senators Allen and Santorem early on, and was promoting them for the presidency.
      I have no problem with FOX, but fair and unbiased they are not. But we need all points of view. Tune into Olberman and Maddow for some lefty bias, and yes they are biased as well.

      • Rod the Other

        NORM….the question is not how biased a COMMENTATORS views are, it is how openly & honestly they debate them. BECK & HANNITY can both claim this, the other “NEWS” organizations can’t

      • Rod the Other

        NORM…I beleive the “VOODOO” economics your referring to are “tickle-down”?
        If so, I would like to ask you the last time you were employed by a poor person, or even someone that made less money then you. I won’t wait for an answer on that one because you can’t!

        It is a fact that those with the wealth are the creators of the jobs, and this is the basic fundamental of trickle-down economics.

        Everytime a rich person buys something many jobs are created. Example: a boat he/she employs boat makers, raw material MFR, electronics MFR, electricians, painters, welders, repair people…etc. This is a VERY miopic example but it makes the point, you have to have money to make money!

        If you can’t understand this then your lost…..& probably shouldn’t be allowed to vote.

  • VIRGO

    Let me know when the polls reveal the reality, 75% DISAPPROVAL, as it should be, for the OBUMMER!!!!
    Look to ACORN, SEIU, ACLU, MOVEON.ORG and other subversive anti-American groups that helped buy the WH, keeping the numbers higher than, everyone knows, they should be!!!! Also, the very same reason Republicans are shown below 75% APPROVAL!!
    In this case, ‘the party of NO’ is the RIGHT approach to everything the garbage lefty-loons are cooking up!!
    Do you really trust NYT or NBC?? I’m not sure about Pew, if the name is any indication!! Were these polls taken in Chicago, per chance??

    • Norm

      The polls are what they are. You, me, Limbaugh or Olberman can’t change them.

    • Rod the Other

      How many people here are aware that ACORN was caught on video intimidating people at the polls. They were taken to court and were caught dead-to-rights. But prior to sentencing AG Eric Holder dismissed the case?

      • JeffH

        I have never seen those videos exposing ACORN anywhere but on FOX. The reason for that is the other MSM media outlets could not be trusted to present them openly, for all to see.

        • eyeswideopen

          Jeff, Rachael Maddow, had two different segments on about Acorn, but then again she is a Rhodes Scholar with Ph.D and is rated as a real journalist, by her peers.

          • Rod the Other

            what peers would that be? Keith Oberman, and Chris Mathews?

          • Rod the Other

            Wasn’t Maddow one of the reporters who commented on the racist gun toting white people in Arizonia that went to one of Obama’ townhalls with a handgun on his hip and an AR-15 over his shoulder?
            OH and yeah…Didn’t that fototage they kept showing of it turn out to be a black guy with the guns? That’s some real truthful reporting! You can always trust a news organization that is owned by GE…you remember the same GE that has billions in invested in “green technology” and is and has been supporting Obama and his “green policy” like CAP&TRADE…They should be running disclaimers with all their broadcasts about how they stand to benefit financially from Obama’ social engineering policies.

          • JeffH

            When did MADDOW show the “Acorn videos” as that was what my comment was about in the first place. What does a PhD have to do with any of this? AS usual, nothing. Did you even read my comment before you made your usual, off subject response?

          • eyeswideopen

            Rod, actually, I saw that show, and she was only pointing out, that the group who associated with the OKC bomber lived in a area about fifteen miles away. Some of the people did act surprised that a gun was being displayed, but I really didn’t think she was trying to rally anyone to be angry or upset. Curious yes, upset no.

          • Rod the Other

            EYES…I couldn’t disagree with your assessment of their reporting more. They showed that clip for days, on almost everyone of the shows, and kept pushing the point about how WHITE RACISTS were threatening Obama with their guns. It wasn’t until they got called out by fox that they back off.

          • DaveH

            Wasn’t Bill Clinton – “I never had sex with that woman” – a Rhodes Scholar?

          • DaveH

            Now at least I understand where Eyes gets her/his warped info – Air America Radio and MSNBC.

          • eyeswideopen

            Dave, no worse than your Faux news which produces dittoheads.

          • eyeswideopen

            Dave, you are so narrow minded, it is truly amazing. One person commits a crime and now any person with that title, or profession is also guilty of that offense. Yes, Dave all the Ph.D. in the world are guilty of having affairs, because one did. Your logic is descried to the max.

          • Rod the Other

            EYES….The word is CABAL…Look it up.

        • eyeswideopen

          You don’t watch anything but Fox, how would you have seen them? LOL

  • Snowbird In New Hampshire, USA

    Now am wondering if December 25th will be celebrated in our WHITE house as for the day Jesus was born in a manger or for the jolly ole St Nick who brings toys for kiddies. Will the Xmas song titled Away In A Manger be allowed to play in our White house this year.

    BTW: Am wondering if Obama’s kids are allowed to play with Christian children or are they allowed to play with only Musslin children.

    • Consrvatives United

      It has already been stated that it will not be a Christmas Tree, but POLITICALLY CORRECT TOTALLY DISGUSTING “HOLLIDAY TREE” Next year the Obamanation will eliminate andy tree, because that is not a Muslim Holiday. He will put in it’s place Ramadam!!!!

  • Norm

    Give me just one of BHO’s ideas/policy any rational person could agree with. Of course it is the Holloween season and i think the favorite theme on Capitol Hill as it is all year round is that of the Brain Dead Zombie’s.

    • American Citizen

      I can’t think of any, but I surely can think of those that are hurting this country.

    • Norm

      Norm
      How many Norm’s do we have here? Please use another name mine is taken.

      • Rod the Other

        I think the Norm at the top of this thread actually thinks about what he is saying and has earned the right to choose…You should change yours to the lefty-Norm.

        • JeffH

          …or Un-Norm-al

          • Rod the Other

            I keep trying to resist the urge to repond to you post JeffH…But BBAAAAHHAAAHHAAHHHAA…That is so F N funny. ROTF LMFAO…seriouly, A tear actually rolled down my face….But only 1.I don’t want to be mean…. SSSNNNNNicker

        • Norm

          Rod the Other
          Anybody who doesn’t agree with you doesn’t think? That’s an interesting philosopy. Hitler and Stalin had very similar views.

          • Rod the Other

            NORM…interesting philosophy…is that one you follow or are you trying to say that I do?

      • DaveH

        I’ll say. I had to read that message several times. Was wondering if the real Norm was under heavy sedation.

        • Rod the Other

          Like a true LIB I think the LIB-Norm wants to play on that confusion.

          Norm at the top of this thread, May I suggest you ad an identifier to your handle?

          • Norm

            Rod the Other
            No. I think Norm the extremist should identify himself. Maybe dittoheadNorm, antidemocracynorm, or maybe foxnorm.

          • Rod the Other

            THE OTHER NORM… not LIB-NORM. May I suggest RIGHTTHINK=NORMal

        • Rod the Other

          NORM…Fine, whatever…A title is just a title, atleast his head is screwed on straight…and doesn’t engage in MARXIST thinking.

          • eyeswideopen

            I do wish you people would get together and decide if it is Marxism, socialism, fascism, communism which type of “ism” are you claiming that Obama is trying to turn us too??? You all just need to pick a line and keep it. So many methodologies are leaving you a divided group of screamers.

          • Rod the Other

            EYES…That was funny…I actually did LOL.

            They all apply…I guess it is one of the things that makes Obama so slimey in my book. He embraces tenants of all of those paradigms. I suppose it how he can claim that he isn’t this, or he isn’t that because he is all of them…Which, I suppose calls for a new brand-name….How about SOROS-ISM?….SOROS-OSITY? SOROS-A**? Soros does have to have some representation here, don’t ya think?

          • JeffH

            Hey Rod, how about Socioroscommumarxism! Might be a little long on the tooth, but it is fitting.

          • Rod the Other

            JeffH…That’s pretty good. Maybe we could just abreviate that down to SCUM!

          • Michael J.

            EWO, Marxism, Socialism and Fascism are all merely waystops on the road to Communism.
            By the way,
            The most popular debate on this forum of late.
            Is by your most frequent offenders, it seems to me over your gender.
            Now don’t ask me why, but I always new you weren’t a guy.
            Maybe it’s your passionate fonting, that is to others so haunting.
            Perhaps it’s because your responses are so thorny, that it makes them so,uh, nevermind

  • http://newgen1@hotmail.com Cancer

    Obama is not a Christian and never will be!!!!Wrong belief’s..He’s either Muslin or Islamic..If the truth comes out.he wasn’t borned in the US either…If I was a bettting person i’s win on that one..Needs to go back to Kenya..I really think Axelrod and Emaunel are Muslin or Islamic too..they are all buddies in the past.Obama want to be a big Dictator over everyone!! Look at his eye’s!! They are getting darker and that’s SCAREY!!!!! Nothing good in him at all.

  • jfrodriguez

    this is a plea to all true americans,we need to unite all conservative talk show people with all of us nationalist american to stop Ali Obama and the 40 + thieves and run them out of office and any body else that want to see us on our knees

    • Consrvatives United

      I have been saying and doing my part, for many years, and certianlly since the 2008 elections. We need to unite all CONSERVATIVE groups and people, to put a unified front forward. This is what the well oiled Liberal Leftist have been doing for the last 40-50 years. Many of the liberals do not even like each other, but like all Far left Marxist Socialist Communists, they do it for the good of the CAUSE. This is why the leftist minority has the power that they have, to go along with their LOUD LYING MOUTHS!!!!

  • Cordell Ferrell

    How many House Democrat’s will follow Nancy Pelosi and Steny Hoyer over the cliff in 2010? We will see a HUGE TRANSITION in the HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES in 2010. This 111th Congress are not “WISDOM KEEPERS” but “STUPIDITY KEEPERS” INSTEAD.

  • http://N/A Mary

    I wouldn’t believe a poll if I did it myself!
    Don’t we the people know, that environmentalism is socialism?
    Get rid of the greenies and take our country back! We need to be sovereign, self sufficient and stop padding the pockets of the Arabs!
    Barry Sotoro has much to hide! He is not a citizen of this country, yet here we are with an un-vetted liar in chief!

  • http://Soverenty!Freedom! Blondi 2

    I can’t seem to get a handle on the emails!Why are you talking about whether he is going to church?Did you not understand that we are loosing our freedom? Did you not grasp the emergency of our soverenty? Do you have any idea what that really means? You sure don’t act like it!Obama has already asked the UN to stop free speech,because he doesn’t controll the press in other countries,so they can report things that the press over here won’t! Why do you think that he is so against Fox News? Wake Up People! We don’t even know what all his czars are doing behind the scenes.Did you know that he is giving the Alaska islands to Russia,that are full of minerals,fish and possibly oil and natural gas? Do you even have a clue how serious this is ?WE ARE LOOSING AMERICA! WE ARE LOOSING OUR FREEDON! WE ARE LOOSING OUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS1 WHAT IN THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?YOU ACT LIKE THIS IS ABOUT GOING TO THE STORE!!!!!! WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO DEMAND,YES DEMAND THAT THE GOVERNMENT CHECK OUT ALLLLLLL THE CZARS THAT OBAMA HAS IN HIS ADMINISTRATION? ALLLL THE POLICIES THAT HE HAS ALREADY MADE LIKE THE ALASKA DEAL? OBAMA’S PASSPORTS,SCHOOL RECORDS, HIS ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE,NOW!START dEMANDING THAT YOUR GOVERNMENT DEMAND THIS PROOF NOW! TELL YOUR SENATORS AND CONGRESS YOU WANT ANSWERS TO THIS NOW! WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF TIME!!!!!!!!!! DEMAND THAT YOUR GOVERNMENT DO IT’S JOB AND FIND OUT THE FACTS!!!!!!! iF HE IS A LEGAL CITIZEN THEN WE WILL GO TO ALL THE CONSTITUTIONAL LAWS HE IS BREAKING!!! WAKE UP,WAKE UP, WAKE UP!!!! WE ARE LOOSING OUR COUNTRY AND OUR FREEDOM AND YOU ARE ASKING IF HE GOES TO CHURCH!!!!!!! cALL YOUR SO CALLED REPRESENATIVES NOW!!!! DEMAND THEM TO ASK THESE QUESTIONS,NOW BEFORE WE LOOSE OUR COUNTRY FOREVER! iF HE SIGNS THE CAP N TRADE TREATY WITH THE UN,WE WILL HAVE LOST OUR SOVERENTY FOREVER!!!! NO MATTER WHO WE VOTE INTO OFFICE!!! WE WILL NEVER GET IT BACK!!!! THE ONLY WAY WE COULD GET IT BACK IS IF ALL THE UN MEMBERS SIGN ONTO IT!! AND THEY WON’T BECAUSE WE WILL BE GIVING THE UN AN OBSENE AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR ALL OUR SO CALLED POLLUTION THAT WE HAVE PUT IN THE WORLD!!! WE WILL BE GIVING THE MOST MONEY OF ANY OF THE COUNTRIES!!!! DO YOU THINK THAT THEY WILL LET US OUT? BUT OF COURSE CHINA AND INDIA AREN’T SIGNING INTO THIS FARCE! WAKE UP ,THIS IS IN THE PROCESS OF HAPPENING IN DECEMBER OF THIS YEAR!! AND IF THEY PUSH IT LIKE THEY ARE PUSHING THE SO CALLED HEALTH BILL,DO YOU THINK THEY ARE GOING TO STOP? NO THEY AREN’T!!THEY ARE GOING TO DO IT WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT JUST LIKE THEY ARE DOING ON THE HEALTHCARE BILL!!!!! THE ONLY THING THIS IS ABOUT IS A GOVERNMENT TAKEOVER!!!WHY DO YOU THINK OBAMA TOOK UP FOR THE OUSTED HONDUROUS PRESIDENT!!! BECAUSE HE IS AFRAID IT COULD HAPPEN TO HIM!!!! AND WHY DID HE CUT THE DEMOCRACY FUNDS TO IRAN??? BECAUSE HE ISN’T FOR DEMOCRACY,HE IS FOR DICTATORSHIP!!!!!WAKE UP!!!!!

    • Dennis

      I’m on the same page you are, it’s sad that people want to play the blaim game or the who did this who did that game. We are WAY past that point here. We all need to get out in the streets in our towns small or large and let it be heard loud and clear Obama is a liar. The healthcare bill is just that, a BILL A VERY LARGE BILL ONE WE CANT AFFORD. THIS GREENHOUSE BULL$HIT IS JUST THAT BULL$HIT, GLOBAL WARMING IS ALSO BULL$HIT.
      ALL THIS ABOVE IS NOT ABOUT PROTECTING AMERICA OR HELPING POOR AMERICANS, IT’S ABOUT GOVERNMENT CONTROL OVER YOU, ME, AND THE REST OF THE WORLD, HE DOESN’T GIVE A FUK ABOUT YOU, WAKE THE FUK UP.

  • Oregon Bob

    There is a question that is not addressed in the polls. It is this: WHY is Obama personally popular? He has absolutely nothing to recommend him as an admirable human being. He is ridiculously arrogant and narcissistic in the extreme. He is an extraordinarily accomplished liar. He has that certain gutter cunning that makes him an effective politician, which means that he is also a thief. He is an incredibly poor speaker. He is not particularly bright, as is demonstrated by the fact that he cannot respond to even a news conference question without a teleprompter. He is a Marxist. His objective is to transform our Republic into a Marxist utopia. What is there about him to like? I don’t understand.

    I never thought that I would think so, but George Bush is beginning to look really good in comparison.

    • Norm

      Oregon Bob
      Any explanations as to how you arrived at your comments? Not smart? Where were you for the last eight years when that illiterate con man from Texas was in office.

      • Oregon Bob

        As to how I arrived at my comments, I observed, I thought about the situations, and I came to conclusions. You might try the same.

        Incidentally, I note that you singled out the “not smart” comment. Interesting. I take it that you couldn’t think of anything in reply to my other comments. Did that not give you pause?

        Regarding George Bush, please read again the last sentence of my earlier post. If you still don’t understand it, ask someone else to read it to you and explain it in words that you can understand.

        • JeffH

          Oregon Bob, Norm would actually have to think, which he has never demonstrated on this site.

          • Norm

            Name calling again. It’s getting old.

          • JeffH

            If the shoe fits, wear it!

      • Rod the Other

        Norm it would be an odd day when you catch me defending George Bush…Although, I did vote for him twice, but then again LOOK BACK AT THE ALTERNATIVE! it was more of a vote against Gore & Kerry.

        I have to agree with Oregan BOB, Once again it seems like Bush is the better man. Not because Buch was such a power house of intellectuallism, but because Obama is DESTROYING every cornerstone of what made this country great. By the way, with the socialist pardigm of the “redistribution of wealth”, Do you realize that after the first round of redistribution the “pie” begins to shrink, and eventually it shrinks so small that there is no longer enough to go around? Think about standing in line all day just to get toilet paper. It’s were Obama is taking us!

        NORM…I find you to be a quisling

    • DaveH

      This should alarm all but the blindest Liberals:
      http://usdebtclock.org/

      • JeffH

        DaveH, that debt clock in a sham, just ask any leftis liberal Democrat.

        • JeffH

          Tongue in cheek, of course.

    • Rita

      OregonBob has summed it up PRECISELY!!! Everytime I see a poll resulting in Obama’s PERSONAL popularity, I just shake my head and wonder–am I missing something? When I hear or watch him speak, all I see is the playground bully or the spoiled little brat who has to have everything his way. I see threatening (via Rahm and David Axelrod) to destroy anyone that disagrees with him. If birds of a feather flock together and you’re known by the company you keep, just look at his far-far-left, radical, marxist-loving appointees. No wonder he hates Fox News–they show you these people and they show you their own words and speeches they’ve given, words they’ve written proving that they are all more communist than socialist.

    • jmgo2

      OREGON BOB:

      Well, there are some thinkers left in Oregon! I grew up there and it was a pretty conservative state before the liberal masses in Ptld, Eugene and enrivons took over. Bush and Cheney kept us from being attacked – he wasn’t so good on domestic stuff but no man/woman can be an expert on every area. Check your history, people.

  • Warriors

    Every liberal dummycrat should be given a one way ticket to their choice of Iran, Cuba or Venezuela. It’s time to take this country back.

  • ONTIME

    One of the latest Obama jokes going around that fits his modus like a glove is the story claiming that across the ocean there is a land where the African Lion resides, here in the states we have the Ly’n African and the African Queen,(This is in reference to Mychells large tax paid entourage). Looks like what we have is two free loaders that plan on out doing the Clinton’s.

    • JeffH

      I dislike Obamas intentions and actions as much or more than anyone, but you can keep the racists comments to yourself. They are unwanted on this or anyother site . That I am sure of.

      • eyeswideopen

        Hands clapping.

    • Michael J.

      Ontime, I don’t see the racism in your comments like the others apparently do. Both Barak and Michelle are undisputedly of African descent.
      Refering to the POTUS as a liar may be offensive to some. However, that didn’t stop Time magazine or members of Congress during the previous administration.
      And refering to Michelle as the African Queen might be offensive to some if you sought to compare her wide dexterior to the girth of a steam powered river boat used by Humphrey Bogart in a 1940′s movie classic.
      But, I don’t see any rascism here.

  • Cybercorrespondent

    What would happen if any other political party pushed for a cap and trade bill that could create green jobs of which 9 out of 10 created would be unsustainable, require government subsidizing and cost the nations economy millions of real jobs? And this is not to mention the increase in manufacturing costs that would be passed on to us in time of depression.

    No matter if you are a Democrat, Republican, Libertarian or an Independent, what do you think is going to happen when the government revenues are down and spending is quadrupled? As one senator from Florida was categorized as, “One must be a fry short of a happy meal” to believe that wiping out the U.S. dollar and reducing the purchasing power of our salaries and retirement savings is a good thing.

    How do you think the media or yourself would react if the republicans were the majority party and were negotiating behind closed doors on a republican senator’s proposal to overhaul one of our economy’s largest industries, especially when it hasn’t been written yet? On an almost straight party-line vote, Democrats in the Senate Finance Committee squashed an amendment by Senator Jim Bunning that would have required the Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reed and the Baucus healthcare or “rob our children and their children bill” to be posted on the Internet for all Americans to read for 72 hours prior to the Committee voting on it.

    There are Republicans who should be voted out of office as well. They are the ones who didn’t listen to the American people and under the veil of “negotiations,” kept the “rob our children and their children” bill scheme to socialize the nation’s health care system alive. And those are not the only ones. Every politician who allowed the Federal Reserve to loan two trillion dollars without knowing to whom, for what or the disclosure of terms should be investigated, made accountable for their irresponsibility and thrown out of office as well. Sleeping on the job is no excuse.

    The Federal Reserve has no real oversight and it’s time for these politicians to get the message loud and clear. We need to learn from our past mistakes and before voting, find out the candidate’s passed association’s, voting record, speeches made and most importantly, don’t let the progressives in the media or celebrities who receive bribes from the likes of George Soros brain wash you. The buss is speeding to go over a cliff and we need to get hold of the staring wheel and the brakes.

    Cybercorrespondent

    • JeffH

      Cybercorrespondent, you words are like musiv to my heart. Your Soros referance, which is a major part of my arguement against Obama, holds more water than most realize or are willing to admit.

    • Rod the Other

      I often wonder how many people have actually gone through the logic of this health care take over?

      Just using the numbers provided by the Government:
      If we have 300mil people in this country and 250mil currently have insurance. The aim is to provide insurance to 50mil more people…

      That is a 20% increase in demand on the health care system.

      To achieve health care for all that doesn’t increase the overall costs, we would need to achieve a 20% reduction in current cost (over the 250mil currently insured) to be able to add them to the “pool of demand”. That is a very large order to fill and the likelihood of achieving it is on the level of “miracle”.

      But, let suppose we did achieve the 20% savings and from a cost perspective we can now increase the “pool of demand” by 20%. Unless we also increase the “pool of supply” (which contains things like hospitals, doctors, nurses, medications…etc) rationing is the only way to acheive cost neutrality. If someone says, “well lets add resources to the “pool of supply” the cost will have to go up and we will all now be paying more for our healthcare.

      One of our dear leaders tricks for reducing the cost is to limit the amount that DRs can charge for their services. Once that happens, you will shrink the “pool of DRs” because who is going to take loans to pay for all of the schooling to become a DR if it is going to take most of your workiong life to pay off the loans you’ve incurred? you’d be better off working at the DMV.

      • eyeswideopen

        I would like to hear your ideas on how to save the Medicare system. Since it will be broke in 2016, I really would like some honest input on how to stop the 8 major Insurance Companies from bankrupting the program. I know it is government run healthcare, but every Republican I know, likes it and wants to keep,it. While preventing others from having it, lol. I think we should cancel it and refund monies, let everyone fend for themselves. Have the government reduce our taxes by the amount we have already paid and let everyone get their own healtcare. We either have to fix it, or cancel it. What is your opinion?

        • Rod the Other

          Any Governemt program like these are very cumbersome beats and EXTREMELY if not IMPOSSIBLE to unwind. Medicare is going to “hit the rocks” and I wouldn’t be surprised if it happened before 2016. The first thing I would try to get a handle on is the fraud and waste.

          Example: I’m sure you’ve seen the commercials for those “hoover-round” mobility (electric) chairs for the incapacitated? If you went to buy one it would cost around $1,000. When Medicare buys one it costs $3,000. This is unacceptable!
          Also Medicare fraud is estimated from 15% to over 30%. Again, UNACCEPTABLE. The credit card compaines have it below 1%, so where around .06%. What are they doing that the Gov. isn’t? Probably it’s their money so they have a vest interest in protecting it. Where the Govs view is we’ll just tax people more if we run low.

          I think 2 other MAJOR ways we can reform health care and make it better for ALL. Is tort reform and portability.

          Tort reform
          A patient should not be able to sue from millions and millions of dollars because some gauze was left in them during surgery. The medical providers should be made to pay for all of the healthcare costs (including surgery) to remedy the situation and them maybe a small award for pain and suffering, BUT NOTHING OUTLANDISH!

          Portability
          If insurer were able to compete across state borders you will have the very beneficial effect of competition, it is what our free-market is based on. The consumer will be able to directly effect the most beneficial plan for themself.
          Also, insurance should not be employer based. It should be just like your car insurance. Were you have the direct responsibility and power to choose the plan that best fits your needs. Face it, when the money comes out of your pocket you make more effective decisions. When someone else is paying people tend to disregard the cost.

          Take the cosmetic surgery market as an example. In this industry quality keeps going up and cost keeps going down. Insurance has nothing to do with it because it is an elective surgery. The free-market is a work here and it is to the benefit of all involved, DRs and patients included. DRs are getting rich, and patients are getting what their paying for.

        • Rod the Other

          As far as ending Medicare…I am conflicted.
          I first see it as a SOCIALIST program and think it should be stopped. For the shear reason that the Gov is involved and were being taxed to pay for it and that makes it more expensive.

          On the other hand, I think arguements can be made that some sort of BAREBONES safety net isn’t such a bad thing and is a sign of a civilized society. But this arguement put you on a slippery slop. Who decided what is barebones?

          • DaveH

            Rod,
            People are pretty generous when they have their needs met. There is not the slightest doubt in my mind that charity would take care of the truly misfortunate.
            Our country would be so wealthy and robust in a free-market system that there would be plenty of financial resources to meet the needs of those who through no fault of their own have suffered misfortune.

          • Rod the Other

            I couldn’t agree more … America is already the most gernous nation on the face of this planet. BUT, the more wealth the GOV. confiscates it begins to take a toll on that charitable mind.

            Lets all wish for the day when we go back to neighbors helping neighbors and get away from what we have today. The Gov talking about helping people, but in the end only helping itself and the party.

  • http://victorbarney@embarqmail.com Victor L Barney

    “Sovereign Citizen says” said it well! In addition, after previously hearing some of those tapes of his previous pal “Reverent” Wright in Chicago, who he listened to for twenty-years, I feel that this administration could end after “Jacob’s trouble” begins! i.e., Don’t buy until you see “our blood” in the streets! After more than twenty-years of hearing about the black hate of whites from his previous best buddy in Chicago, I can actually see the “white” man being blamed for this economic collapse (besides blaming Bush (who also was involved in this current charade))! We ain’t seen nothing yet!

    • DaveH

      Don’t expect the Socialists to ever accept blame for the economy. We could go for 10 years of Depression and they would still blame the Republicans (although some of them are partly to blame).

      • eyeswideopen

        Dave, the welfare programs in 1992 were 220.06 billion, they increased to 267.66 in 1999. Increase of 47.60 billion. However from 2000 to 2008 they went from 267.66 to 477.25 billion and increase of 209.59 billion. Dude, this came straight off the government spending website. You cannot keep blaming the Democrats, when the Republicans spending was worse. The Republicans spent like socialists and cannot escape the facts, they were out of control.

        • Rod the Other

          HOLD ON EYES…your stats are WAY out of context, and your statement is not entirely correct.
          Yes, the Repubs had a hand in it and it is why they paid for it in the 2006 & 2008 elections.

          A big chunk of that spending dropped in the late 90′s due to Welfare to work & and a large part of that increase in the 2000′ was the result of a MASS influx of ILLEGAL ALIENS!

          I agree we should be angry and disgusted, but let it be for the right reasons!

          • eyeswideopen

            type in internet search us government spending, it will give you two options sites. One for defense spending and another for total spending. I know you are smart enough, once you are in, to change the years in option catagory to 1992.

            http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/downchart_go.php?

        • DaveH

          Ok, I shall once again post the Congressional websites so people can look up the Roll Call Votes for themselves and see which politicians have voted for the Big Government Spending Bills. The Republicans aren’t blameless, but they lose this contest hands down to the Democrats. For the House of Representatives (look for Roll Call Votes):
          http://clerk.house.gov/

          • DaveH

            For the Senate:
            http://www.senate.gov/

          • eyeswideopen

            Dave, it has nothing to do with this year, can’t you read what I asked? It is the total spending from 1992 until 2007. How much it increased in a eight year period of time, when the Republicans were controling it the whole time, it peaked during Bush’s admin, for some unknown reason. We have 3.3 million people on the welfare rolls and I want to know why he inceased the funding by 5 times the amount that it was when he came into office.

        • eyeswideopen

          Rod, took it right off the government spending site, that good old Davv is always sending us too. http://www.USgovernmentspending.com/downchart

          • eyeswideopen

            USgovernmentspending.com/downchart

  • http://victorbarney@embarqmail.com Victor L Barney

    PS: What is even more scary is that our Constitution has to become void so that we can join the “New World Order,” which is under Lucifer (another coming in his own name)! I also agree that most of the polling is probably from MSNBC, NBC, CNN, etc.

  • DaveH
    • JeffH

      Good job DaveH. I also left some info and the link in a previous comment above.

    • JeffH

      DaveH, I thought you might enjoy reading this.
      The Vices and Virtues of Limiting Executive Compensation
      TESTIMONY
      by
      Russell Roberts
      Professor of Economics
      George Mason University
      House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform
      Hearing entitled “Executive Compensation: How Much is Too Much?”
      October 28, 2009 11:00 AM
      http://www.mercatus.org/uploadedFiles/Mercatus/Publications/Russ%20Roberts%20-%20Executive%20Compensation%20-%20House%20Oversight%2010-28-09.pdf
      2154 Rayburn House Office Building

      • DaveH

        Jeff,
        I personally think the officers of many companies are indeed overpaid, but that is the sole business of the owners of those companies (the shareholders). If the shareholders don’t care, it is certainly nobody else’s business. As far as the consumers go, in a free market (which we don’t have) they can refuse to buy the products of those companies or they can start their own and try to do better.

        • Rod the Other

          standing ovation!

        • JeffH

          I agree completely. Well said.

        • eyeswideopen

          Dave, you must not be reading, the latest is most shareholders do not get to vote on the salaries of the CEO’s the board decides. That is how the corporations have been getting away with murder, it is a misnomer that the shareholders have voting authority to decide executive compensation packages. Do you really think that the shareholders would have been so stupid as to take less dividends for themselves and let the cCEO’s have such large salaries?

          • Rod the Other

            EYES…If they are not getting a vote and they wany to register one, hey are either holing the wrong kind of stock to do so (some stocks do not give you the ability to have input through voting), or there has ben a breach of contract law. Either way, we already have mechanisms in place to address this.

          • eyeswideopen

            Rod, I guess they worked just as well as those other regulations that were in place to protect the consumer? Seems like we just had to bail out some rather large companies or was I just dreaming?

          • Rod the Other

            EYES…Your not hearing me. It has nothing to do with regulation. It has to do with contract law. You know, that thing that Obama disregards when it gets in the way of his SOROS-ISM beliefs ;)

            The type of stock (private, common, or preferred) defines what rights a stock-holder has under contract law.

            Besides, I do think a stockholder may give a CEO a large salary if that CEO has the talent and skills to increase the value of the stock…It’s not always about dividends.

  • http://Soverenty!Freedom! Blondi 2

    I am reading the emails and you still aren’t getting it.Obama plans on having everything in place before the elections! He isn’t really worried about the elections because he is undermining the government with his czars already. It would make him look more lagit if the Dems won but he is moving fast behind the seens to get everything in place just in case it doesn’t.Everyone acts like the elections are going to change everything,and in a real democracy it would! But by the time all the elections are done I have a feeling he will have everything in place like he wants it.He doesn’t let us read any bills,yet he wants them to vote on them before they are even written?That’s like telling someone to sign a blank check and you will fill in the rest later.The gall of this administration is amazing!Did anyone read the article about where the college paid Obama to do a report on the relations of black students at his college?Instead he wrote a book about himself!History says that this is exactly what Hitler and Stallin did before they were famous. All he seems to worry about is him! And one thing for sure is he can’t take critisim.Neither could Hitler or Stallin.Do you know what they did to people who did critize them?They killed them.The White House tried to reject Fox News,put them out of the picture,but suprisingly the press took up for them.That is the best hope I have had since Obama got into office.But I’m not sure it will last.And talk about self absorbed,his reactions to the press are very personal.It is like it isn’t about his policies but about him! Well maybe his policies are him! Everyone wants to give him the benefit of the doubt,and that just might be our downfall! When all you can do is blame the white man for everything thin you really don’t have any confidence in yourself.The racist thing is just a tactic used to shut people up!If America was really so racists as he and others proclaim then how did he get voted in in the first place?That bird don’t fly!!!Just like the tactic they use calling the Reps. the party of No!If you can’t go along with their plans to completely change America,then they call you names like a bunch of little school children.I think what we really need to do when they do this is treat them just like a bunch of little children.When you can’t win on facts,then call them names.We have to start saying just that! They can’t win on facts so they call us names! We need to start going by the facts and stop the childish name calling!We need to start asking them for the facts instead of arguing with them!That would stop them cold!!Make them show us the facts.Repeat it over and over untill they have no choice but to do so!!!

  • DaveH

    John Stossel on Healthcare. He talks slow so even Norm can understand:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9GMKK_fWKg

  • http://www.chandostransport@eastlink.ca Graeme B

    The only one of the above posters that made sense, was the real Norm. The Republicans are now 20% in the polls and sinking. How come the Republicans haven’t got Mr Starr,special prosecutor, who spent $48million trying to impeach Mr Clinton doing the same with Obama?. It seems their only reason they are in DC, is to say and vote NO and to try to get impeachment. That’s why they were elected.!!!!

    • DaveH
    • JeffH

      Well, it seems that what is transpiring in DC is slowly waking up some Republicans and Democrats. Unfortunately too little too late. As their livlyhoods are threatened, and I expect to see more movement to the middle, but the question will always remain, “can an old dog be taught new tricks?”. I don’t think so. Vote wisley starting in 2010.

  • Dee

    The ‘Tea Party’ movement is all about ‘objecting’ to the Obama policies. The Tea Partiers are from all ‘political parties’, not supporting the Republican Party!! If you like being ‘Lied’ to, then Obama is your man, If you want the TRUTH, you’ve got to find out for yourself, as Obama will tell us one thing, then do the opposite! American’s no longer TRUST anything that this man says.. but we DO watch what he’s doing. He’s appologized all over the World for America, trying to run our economy ‘into the ground’, high unemployment, government take-over of ‘banks, insurance companies, GM (Govt. motors) plus others and forcing a health-care bill down our throats, that Americans DONT want!! This man is nothing but a CHICAGO THUG.. Do you really think that HE is running the White House? He’s a puppet, financed by big ‘financiers’ and well placed millionairs.. (Bilderberg Group) The object of this ‘bunch’ is to make America a ‘Socialist’ country, as well as a MUSLIM country, like Obama is.. He’s a MUSLIM .. no doubt about it… Oh, don’t think he’ll be ‘celebrating’ Christmas at the WH, like most AMERICAN President’s do .. there’s NO TREE this year!! Did you see him lead the Country during ‘National Prayer Day’? NO!!! He was facing EAST’, probably on his knees, praying to Allah!! It’s just too bad that 53% of our Country just took him at his WORD, instead of listening to what the other 47% were saying about his ‘radical associations & views’ .. We wouldn’t be in this spot, if those who voted for him would have done their ‘homework’ .. Would you hire a person to watch your children, if they were known ‘pedofiles’?? That’s what we did!! People never looked any further than his ‘empty suit & rhetoric’ .. In 2010 & 2012, I would hope that ‘voters’ would get themselves EDUCATED & INFORMED before they go into the voters booth!! I’m very tired of this ‘Race Card’ that get’s thrown out everytime someone disagrees with him too.. Factually, I’ve been told by several black people that they are MORE ‘PREJUDICED’ than the white people are .. American’s WAKE UP, LOOK AROUND ..and see what this President is doing to our Constitution … and RE-DISTRIBUTING THE WEALTH … We;re going to be a 3rd World Country soon! We can STOP this insanity.. Get up off the couch and start ‘speaking up’ for your rights!!

    • EL CHICHON

      Dee,
      You are like a breath of fresh air!!! I thought I might be the only one that knew about the bilderberg group and the tri-lateral commision. I think the federal reserve is in on a lot of this also. I “heard”, Oprah Winfrey, Osama and Michelle Obama, the Bush’s, the Clintons,Rham Emanuel, and Eddie Haskell (Timmy Geitner)just to name a few are all tri-laterals and maybe bilderbergs as well who are all conspiring to overthrow the United States seeking a one world government. The U.S.A. is the only thing standing in their way nnow that they have stolen all of our wealth and power. Osamabama is systematically tearing this country down to make it a dung heap of a 3rd world nation. I think it may be too late already. I would like to know where the battle lines will be drawn for the next revoulutionary war to take back what is ours. Like it or not, that is what it is coming to. The Christians will be the first to go as soon as Osamabama gets this country where he wants it. God help us!!!!!!!

      • Michael J.

        El Chichon, Don’t forget the Council on Foreign Relations and the United Nations. Also search “Iron Mountain Report” and the “Obama Deception”

    • JeffH

      Did the moderator forget to moderate?

  • Michael

    Obama is a fraud, he isn’t even American,and worst of all I feel that he took Jerimia’s words to heart “god dam America”
    I just hope that we get the Senate in order to be able to counter the distruction of the great nation of The United States of America.

  • Blue

    Just interjecting some thoughts.

    CNN = Capitalism Not Necessary

    Government Stimulus = Earn $5.00, Spend $6.00.

    There’s still time… When confronted with the situation in Afghanistan, Obama said he wasn’t gonna be rushed into making any decisions. He’s ONLY been in office 10 months. He still has ’til 2012.

    Heard today that, although ACORN has been exposed, they are still gonna be given funding?!?!?!?!?!?

  • Robert

    It appears we’re stuck with this President for 3+ more years no matter what the polls report. And we’re stuck with the both the democrats, republicans and independents for another year. No matter what the polls show as far as policies approval/disapproval, there’s not much we can do until 2010 and 2012. Now if Texas would only push for secession, that might get the knucleheads in Washington to start paying attention to the American people. What’s the government going to so if Texas secedes? Invade them? I’m looking for Texas to take the lead, it’s our only hope. And this is from a guy from The Bronx.

  • http://bellsouth Ron Spann

    Tophat needs to look at some form of education, whether it is a goverment sponsored GED or money from a bailout and maybe master in spelling – Tready or treaty, constition or constitution and alturnitive or alternative? This only tells me the kind of people that are constantly bad mouthing our President. What is really needed is that everyone needs to spend as much time praying for all our leaders, rather than spemding all their time on negative comments and thoughts.

    • Robert

      spemding or spending? Check you’re own spelling first before replying. You made a good point but that little mistake does’nt help your case.

      • JeffH

        Most everyone doesn’t use spellcheck and we don’t need you to spellcheck either. Case in point, is isn’t it DOESN’T and not does’nt?

        • Robert

          Tuche!

      • Wayne Keel – V Vet

        Weer spemding tu munch tym talkeng. We nead tu spemd mohr tym takin bak ar cuntree!

        • Dennis

          Thank you.

        • Michael J.

          That’s just ridiculous.

      • libertytrain

        Robert – thank you for saying such about his own spelling – we are so quick to be critical of the dumbest things.

    • libertytrain

      And Ron, what we also really need is for people to cut other people some slack on their spelling/typing. To me being critical of such is saying I am superior to you because I can check my spelling.

    • DaveH

      Ron,
      I would spend my time praying for the citizens. The leaders have ruined a once vibrant country.

  • Ron

    Mr. Begala, who did you talk to regarding how much we love Mr. Obama ? I can tell you I don’t love the man, if fact I cna honestly say I don’t like him or his wife, at all !

  • TucsonLady

    I often wonder if Obama is actually the President or in name of only. Seems the megalomaniac Pelosi seems to be running alot of the show and the czars while Hussein Obama is on TV shows, doing speech’s, playing golf, etc…. Gee he even got the once prestigious Nobel Peace prize for reading a teleprompter. Pelosi, et al won’t have to buy into this ruse of a health care plan. None of them will. I bet they will have “PRIVATE” insurance. I think with Hussein Obama he appears on the outside to be likeable like a wolf in sheeps’s clothing. I am a mom of 2 wonderful kids just out of college. I want them to have all the best of life they can achieve to… not servants of socialists. When people get offended with our country’s flag something is terribly wrong. I am so fed up with this touchy feely attitude we have now in this country.

  • http://pilot1945@att.net cr747

    They haven’t ask me my opinion.

  • http://www.nosmog.com Robert Sewell Sr

    “IDAHO HOT POTATO ”

    ALL OF THESE COMMENTS ARE VERY INTERESTING BUT…………………………..

    WHERE ARE THE ” AMERICAN REVOLUTIONARY ARMY II ??????

    THEN WE CAN START CHARGING AT OBAMA AND HIS GANGSTER EVEN CONGRESS AT ONCE !!!!!!!!

    AMEN AMEN

  • one old dog

    visit the Capitol steps in D.C. at noon this November 5 at noon and go office to office letting your representatives(?) know not to pass this health-care bill that will give the government additional control over us, astro turfing, bible & gun clinging mobs who visited Washington. All of US, republicans, democrats, independents, black, white, Hispanic, Asians, American Indian, all the groups of AMERICANS they keep divided, so they can rule us, not as a free people but a subjugated people, under the thumb of the world class super elite. After they sign the Copenhagen agreement which will put us all under control, of those who don’t like the U.S.A. very much. then forget the constitution and bill of rights, they won’t apply anymore. As a well spoken black minister said about the P.O.T.U.S, he is the great deceiver.
    ONE OLD DOG

  • EL CHICHON

    What is the penalty for TREASON?????????????

  • James Corbin

    Sovereign Citizen, I like the way you think—–Right on!!

  • James Corbin

    Rod, You are so right about the government! That’s what this health care is all about. Obama and his crew won’t fix the health problem for the percent of people that need it, they want everybody on their
    government run healthcare plan. Once they get control of healthcare—
    This is a step to control!

    Yes, Rod, I heard Obama make that statement about who he surround himself with—–Wellll Look!!! Very scary

  • Linda L Hill

    Ok, Now since we have all decided who Obama is, what do we do about it?

    • DaveH

      Start writing letters or emails or call your Representatives and voice your opinions.

  • Norm

    Senator Lindsey Graham was asked about commentators like Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh. Sen. Graham did not hold back on his criticism saying that he has never heard someone like Beck “make that much money crying.” In addition Graham essentially called Beck a cynic who stands for nothing when he stated,
    “Glenn Beck is not aligned with any party. He is aligned with cynicism and there has always been a market for cynics. But we became a great nation not because we are a nation of cynics. We became a great nation because we are a nation of believers.”
    Senator Graham went on to question the hold Rush Limbaugh has over the Republican party and even explicitly call birthers “crazy.” Graham’s criticisms against the conservative icons and birthers is certainly the most harsh to be brought forth so far from people with the stature of Graham. It will be interesting to see the political fallout for Sen. Graham following his comments. Will he be held up as someone who had the courage to stand up to extreme rhetoric or will he be forced to apologize much like Michael Steele did when taking on Rush Limbagh?

    • Rod the Other

      I hope Grahm is bounced out of office for being the traitor to the country that he is. He is a typle example of someone that has abandoned the Constituion…The man is a doult.

      Norm…Why is it that when a conservative minded person asked a serious question that needs to be answered fully and honestly it’s extreme rhetoric. I find very little of what Beck or Limbaugh says to be extreme, I do find it to be very demanding of those it is put to…AS IT SHOULD BE. OUR GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO BE ACCOUNTABLE TO THE PEOPLE.
      &
      Why is it that you don’t call the comments of O’berman, or Maddow, or Mathews, or Rahm, or Axelrod…Or any of the LEFTIES to be EXTREME.
      I find it VERY extreme when an entire administration calls a news organization “NOT REALLY A NEWS STATION” and then seeks to remove them from coverage. This is abridgment of freedom of the press.

      • Norm

        Rod the Other
        Rush is smart and very entertaining. He’s addmitted publically, on many occasions, that if his rhetoric wasn’t so controversial, nobody would bother listening to him. I think that he’s overdoing it lately, but the righties suck it right up.
        Beck, on the other hand, is a sicko. He’s not smart and some of his ideas are so off the wall that they border on insanity.

        • JeffH

          Norm…Do you by any chance feel that Glen Beck is beneath you level of intelligance? There is a very logical method to his madness, but those that wouldn’t see his point would tend to cast him aside. I have seen him make many solid points, and accusations against Obama and his cronies that make complete sense, espcially of yo dot the “I” and cross the “T”. Proponents of Obamas’s ideals would not agree.
          We must rid America of Obama, our corrupted politicos, all, not just Democrats, and turn this free countries destruction around before it is too late.
          If anybody has taken the time to think about it, what is transpiring in America is all a part of history. Let us just hope that history will be recorded with complete accuracy and without the influential governments bias for our childrens children to someday read in their public schools history classes.

          • DaveH

            Norm is going to hold his breath until Obama admits publically that “yes indeed I am a liar and up to no good”. Better get some oxygen Norm.

        • Rod the Other

          Whatever NORM…Keep talking in platitudes and attacking the messenger rather than the message…Alinsky tactics at their finest.

          Can you give even one example of how Beck is sick? As far as the righties sucking it up….YEAH it has been a long dry spell for common sense, and these guys deliver it by the truckload.

          A few months back I saw a breakown of the economic state of US cities and it was cross referenced with the controlling party of that city.
          I was not surprising to me at all that over the last 40 years 18 of the 19 poorest citites in America have been under solid Democrat Government for that entire 40 years.

          And NORM..don’t you have a response to my claim of your overlooking the EXTREME RHETORIC of the lefties?

        • Rod the Other

          NORM, I’m still waiting for that example…but I won’t hold my breath.

  • Norm

    Newt Gingrich blasted conservative radio show host Rush Limbaugh saying Limbaugh crossed the line when he publicly said he hoped President Barack Obama’s administration would “fail.”
    “You’ve got to want the president to succeed,” Gingrich said.
    “I don’t think anyone should want the president to fail,” the former Speaker of the House said in an obvious dig at Limbaugh.
    The trash-talking Limbaugh said at the CPAC convention Feb. 28 that he wanted the Obama administration to tank because he disagreed with the new commander in chief’s policies.
    “I want Barack Obama to fail if his mission is to restructure and reform this country so that capitalism and individual liberty are not its foundation,” Limbaugh said.
    Gingrich is one of the highest-profile Republican to speak out against Limbaugh’s controversial comments.
    Gingrich said Limbaugh’s comments were “irrational” because any American citizen – no matter what their party affiliation – should hope for a strong government.
    The two outspoken leaders of the GOP have been trading blows since the two disagreed over the future of the party at the CPAC convention. Gingrich said Republicans should dump fantasies of Reagan-era politics, while Limbaugh said appealing to old-school conservatives was the only way to guarantee GOP election wins.

    • Rod the Other

      I AGREE WITH LIMBAUGH…even though I have a great deal of respect for Gingrich, he’s wrong…When a president’ entire focus is to “fundamentaly transform” an entire nation, you have to ask yourself, “what does he want to transform it into”? Well, in the case of Obama he want a new Social / New world order…AND I HOPE HE FAILS TO. I want my Constitution, not redistributive programs. I want freedom, not Government imposed slavery. I want to keep what I make, not have it taken from me and given to the clueless. I want a Goverment that represents the Constituion, Not a government that represents European socialism. I want everyone to have a chance at success, not a facist state.
      I WANT OBAMA TO FAIL AT DESTROYING THIS COUNTRY, EXCATLY WHAT LIMBAUGH STATED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

      • Norm

        Rod the Other
        Read my comment on Rush above. There’s no excuse for wishing the president to fail. This is a democracy, the last time I checked. If you don’t like the government, vote for somebody that you like. Look at the message you are sending to our ememies. I don’t agree with Senator Graham too often but I think he is right on here.

        • Rod the Other

          NORM…That’s some good Goose-stepping you’ve got going on there.

          THERE IS EVERY REASON TO WISH FOR A PRESIDENT TO FAIL WHEN HIS AGENDA IS TO MAKE OUR REPRESENTATIVE DEMOCRACY FAIL…WAKE UP.

          This president does not embrace our Constituion, does not defend our Constitution, and does not believe in our Constitution. THIS PRESIDENT WANTS ALL OF THAT TO FAIL. And for that reason I WANT HIM TO FAIL AT FUNDAMENTALLY TRANSFORING OUR COUNTRY!!!!!!

          Someone needs to get you a 5 gallon drum of coffee…you’ve been asleep to long!

        • Rod the Other

          By the way NORM….Did you wish for Bush to fail…I would bet my scrotum on it!

          • Norm

            Rod the Other
            I voted for Bush in 2000, and I learned to dislike him, but I never wished him failure. I just wished there was a spark of intellect in him – somewhere. I guess you owe me your scrotum, but I’ll pass.

          • Rod the Other

            NORM…The whole BUSH was an idiot just gets old…I don’t think we is/was the smartest guys ever, but he’s not a COMPLETE idiot.

            You seem to perfer a smart, conniving, dishonest, scheming, manipulative conman instead. You know, the one that pledged transparency and then does ALL his delaing behind closed doors.
            The Government is supposed to be, “…of the people, for the people, by the people”. Since when does the intellectual-left fit that bill? I think BUSH, although misguided, fit that bill.

          • Rod the Other

            NORM…in all sincerity, that was a good token to bring humor into these disussions….SERIOUSLY.
            On the bet, do you like tea? :)

        • Blue

          To Norm
          Again you are incorrect. We are not really a Democracy where majority or mob rules. We are a Republic, as mentioned in our “Pledge of Allegiance” (…and to the Republic for which it stands), a nation of laws with a chief of state, usually a president (although Obama THINKS he’s king). Stop talking and check it out.

          • eyeswideopen

            Blue, we are a Constitutional Republic which functions as a liberal democracy.

          • Rod the Other

            EYES…
            While we are a Constitutional Republic, we ARE NOT a Liberal Democracy. We ARE a Representative Democracy! BIG DIFFERENCE…BLUE is Correct.

          • eyeswideopen

            Rod, sorry, but this time, I am correct, have a Constitutional authority living next door. You can check this link as it is a pretty easy read. Notice where it says that we rely on a representative democracy, but we are more complicated than that, and function as a liberal democracy. A liberal democracy can guarantee the individual liberties of its citizens and prevent the development of a dictatorship. Some states have elements of a direct democracy. Don’t get hung up on that word liberal. Just try and remember that the word Libertarian came from the root word of liberal.

          • eyeswideopen
          • eyeswideopen
          • eyeswideopen

            Rod, second one works, or you can click on the one shown on 404 page.

          • Rod the Other

            EYES…I must admit, that was a VERY nice try…BUT no your wrong. Just because someone is a Consitutional “Authority”, and living next to you, doesn’t give them the final word…SERIOUSLY, we have one seating in the Presidents office and look how he’s wiped his backside with it.
            Around the turn of the 20th century many “progressive” programs and legislative bills began to be passed by Congree. It started with Teddy Roosevelt and got even deeper with Wilson, and took a huge leap with FDR. That is were some of these “Authorites” get the basis for calling our Democracy a Liberal-Democracy. If you go back to what the Founding-Fathers set forth it is & was a REPRESENTATIVE-Democracy it has been bastardized by the many politicians that have been charged with protecting it.
            Once again I quote Jefferson:
            Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.

            AND EYES…The route word for Libertarian is LIBERTY, not Liberal. 2 very different conotations! As in, “…Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of happiness”.

          • JeffH

            Rod the Other, again, I thank you for the lesson. I have learned so much since participating in these posts, thanks to people like yourself. I’ve learned to keep my Merriam Webster’s dictionary handy.

          • Rod the Other

            Gald to be of service, Sir…Fight the good fight!

          • eyeswideopen

            Rod, this Democracy, was conceived as a liberal democracy, you need to do more reading. Got in an agruement with neighbor and got an education on the Constitution which cost me 100.00 bucks 5 yrs ago.
            He said to send you to this web site, as you can’t think that is is a liberal site, and it is easy reading. Go down to the section Liberal Democracies around the world and it lists all of those that are. Also, Madison and Adams, called it that many times in their writtings.
            http://en.wikipedia/org/wiki/Liberal_democracy

          • eyeswideopen

            Rod, dude the guys is a professor and a Conservative Republican, he made me come over and study for two hours, so that I would know exactly the concepts and the legal definations of the Constitution. Every party he does a question and answer so that the adults along with the kids will learn what an awesome document it truly is. So please do more research, as many people are mistaken, and you sound too intelligent to want to remain in the dark.

          • Rod the Other

            EYES…First off, Thanks for your being CIVIL even though we disagree.

            It is easy to get caught in symantics.

            While some of our forefathers routinely used the word liberal democracy, I never took that to mean, and I don’t beleive they intended it to denote, liberal as having to do with the “…Government providing and or giving in an open handed way”. I have always interpreted those statment as to mean “… associated with ideals of individual freedom, especially economic freedom, greater individual participation in government, and constitutional, political, and administrative reforms designed to secure these objectives”. To achieve these liberal beliefs that I described in the second definiton a system would need to have a CORE set of beliefs or guiding principles to follow.
            So, while there are many elements in our system that as a liberal-democracy…in an effort to secure those objectives, those elements come together under a Constitution and become mere pieces in a larger system. When looked upon as a whole system it take the shape of a representative-democracy. As it is representing the tenants of a Constitution.

            There is a lot of semantics that takes place, and our politicians use it to there advantage.
            EXAMPLE: To REGULATE. Many people beleive this to mean the Gov passes laws to control it.
            When our founding fathers made this declaration, it was intended to charge the Gov with the responsibility of “…making commerce REGULAR between the states”. They have since bastardized this to mean “govern and control” and made laws limiting inter-state commerce rather than making it regular.

          • eyeswideopen

            Rod, http://www.wordig.com/defination/Liberal_democracy

            You are saying that even though our founding fathers called us a liberal democracy, they didn’t know what they were saying?

            You can’t interpret and only accept certain statements, you either accept their writtings and how they set up this country or you don’t. You can’t be just a little pregant.

            We should be thankful that they set us up as a Liberal Democracy, that is the reason our country has survived, while other democracies failed.

          • Rod the Other

            EYES..Please STOP trying to out words in my mouth and READ WHAT WAS WROTE. They did not call it a Liberal-Democracy. They have always refered to it as a Representative-Democracy. But when discussing certain elements that pertain to the citizenry having LIBERTY they refered to that specific ELEMENT as being liberal-democracy.

            When you make a salad and put croutons in it, do you call it a salad, or do you call it ALL croutons?

      • JeffH

        I fully agree that what Limbaugh has said is correct. He (Limbaugh) has clarified on more than one occasion that he did not want America to fail. Having Obama fail is a positive for America and our freedoms and with that failure America will be able to preserve the very foundation of our free republic.

        • Norm

          Plus he’s scared s–tless of the tax increase headed his way.

          • JeffH

            As we all should be.

          • Rod the Other

            WHO GOES THERE!?….INDENTIFY YOURSELF!…. BY WHAT NAME DO YOU GO?
            Surely this can’t be LIB-Norm???

        • denniso

          JeffH, Limbaugh is a hatemonger and litera no-nothing who uses people like you to get filthy rich..wake up guy!

          • Rod the Other

            Shouldn’t you be answering or doing research to answer some of my other posts? Or are you running scared?

            Nope you’d rather agitate…FOOL!

  • ricardo maxwell

    It’s great to see so many that realize what it is happening to our country today. If only someone would do something about it. There are Congressmen and women that need to be relieved of duty. The Same holds true of the President, VP and his illegal czars. They have wiped their @$$#$ with our Constitution.
    And to the piece of human debris, Begala, Ron Reagan’s policies were exactly what made him popular. But once again , the media NEVER told the truth and worked constantly to paint him black.
    If anyone in this country needs an education or re-education, it’s the fer left state run media.

    • denniso

      Boy,oh boy..you’re out to lunch too.

      • Rod the Other

        AND the peanut gallery () continues to agitate…Do you get paid by the post, or by how vaccus they are?

  • Blue

    To Norm
    Again you are incorrect. We are not really a Democracy where majority or rules. We are a Republic, as mentioned in our “Pledge of Allegiance” (….and to the Republic for which it stands), a nation of laws with a chief of state, usually a president (although Obama THINKS he’s king). Stop talking and check it out.

  • DaveH

    And now the Usurper is trying to take over the Internet. He is actively giving speeches promoting the concept of ‘Net Neutrality’ (basically a government takeover of the Internet) as if somehow voices are being stifled on the Internet. If that was the case we wouldn’t be stuck with Norm. Don’t kid yourself for one moment, the Obama administration wants to censor the Internet like they do in China. And they will spin any tall tales that they can conceive to achieve that goal.

    • eyeswideopen

      John McCain took $874,000 from the telecommunications industry and you expect him to tell the truth about them wanting to charge us for usage? Come On, Dave, almost a million dollars and he is looking out for our interests? Sure he is. I guess they paid him for nothing.
      http://www.Usatoday.com/News/politics/election2008/2008-03-23-mccainlobbyists_N.htm

    • JeffH

      DaveH, have you noticed that the TROLL eyeswideopen never refutes a comment with facts, and a lot like Obama she goes off subject or she always responds with examples of a Republican “whatever it is”.

      • eyeswideopen

        Jeff, what do you think I just gave you, it is the lobbyists who have paid for John McCain to represent them and the charges that they want us to pay. Are you doing drugs? I can back up my statements can you?

        • JeffH

          It is you TROLL that didn’t refute DaveH’s accusation. He was talking about the King Obama, not McCain. You must be the one on drugs, but then again, you Can’t Understand Normal Thinking!

          • eyeswideopen

            Dittohead, are you speaking to me? Can’t hear the words as the mush in your mouth is spewing out.

          • JeffH

            always better to be pst off than pst on

          • Michael J.

            JeffH, Can’t Understand Normal Thinking? You better be glad that one went over her haed.

    • JeffH

      If you caught Glen Beck tonight, his whole show was linking up most of the Orgs. and players in the governments play to restrict free speech on TV and radio and control the internet with his Net Neutrality. Basically the Obama’s administration is working behind the scenes on it already.
      If American’s don’t respond en mass, we will wakeup one day soon and find ourselves shakled to this government.

  • Rod

    I can tell you one thing, he signs that treaty, you can kiss your – - – goodby!

    Except for one thing, A federal judge in California has ordered Obama
    and his lawyer’s to produce his birth certificate. He has until January 26th to do so. The judge said, the American people have a right to know if Obama is eligible to be the President.

    • JeffH

      There is nothing on the internet to back up your statement. I live in California and have not heard of any rulings of that type. You are getting bad info from somebody.

    • JeffH

      Rod, I apologize, I have found some info online. There is even a copy of his Kenya birth certificate.
      Shocker! Judge orders trial on eligibility issue
      Arguments planned Jan. 11 for challenge to Obama
      http://americangrandjury.org/category/kenyan-birth-certificate
      A California judge today tentatively scheduled a trial for Jan. 26, 2010, for a case that challenges Barack Obama’s eligibility to be president based on questions over his qualifications under the requirements of the U.S. Constitution.
      The two U.S. Attorneys representing Barack Obama tried everything they could to sway the judge that this case was frivolous, but Carter would have none of it and cut them off several times. Obama’s attorneys left the courtroom after about the 90 minute hearing looking defeated and nervous.
      Great day in America for the U.S. Constitution!!! The truth about Barack Obama’s eligibility will be known fairly soon – Judge Carter practically guaranteed it!

      • eyeswideopen

        And what will you do, when the judge declares that he is a US citizen, look for a new judge? It doesn’t matter that he will be cleared and declared to be a legal citizen, you people will never let it rest.

      • Norm

        JeffH
        There isn’t a sane person in this country, left or right, who believes Obama wasn’t born in Hawaii.

      • JeffH

        To both of you TRolls. This will become the final chapter, pro or con on the subject. That is all and nothing more or less. Of course, you two traitors will continue to back the destruction of America no matter what transpires. Neither of you have the right to call yourselves “Americans” under any circumstances. You are all traitors to the RED WHITE AND BLUE!

        • Norm

          What branch of the military did your red, white, and blue extremist ass serve in? What was that?

          • JeffH

            I’m the one that stayed at home and took care of your women!

        • eyeswideopen

          Hey,Ps ant, I served this country and you didn’t so, you can go play with your guns and keep dreaming that you did something useful. Now you have angered me, calling me a traitor? You have some balls you little reject. You don’t have the right to call a Veteran a traitor, you are ungreatful wanna be.

          • JeffH

            My, my, my, I have upset the applecart. Just because you may have served, and I still question that one, doesn’t justify your traitorous behavior. Either of you. I prefer to keep my freedom and not live in a government controlled population. I know fully understand the approach and what keeps being repeated, over and over, by you leftist libs.
            “Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.” –Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist Saul Alinsky

            Hillary, Obama and the Cult of Alinsky: “True revolutionaries do not flaunt their radicalism, Alinsky taught. They cut their hair, put on suits and infiltrate the system from within. Alinsky viewed revolution as a slow, patient process. The trick was to penetrate existing institutions such as churches, unions and political parties….

            DaveH has spoken volumes with just a few words: Rules for Radicals
            By Saul Alinsky – 1971

          • denniso

            Eyes
            BRAVO,BRAVO!!!

      • Rod the Other

        EYES & NORM…Aren’t you guys the least bit curious why OBAMA is trying so hard to fight this?
        It is the responsibility of those that serve us in public office to PROVE to us that they are good representatives of our REPRESENTATIVE-DEMOCRACY.
        Truth be told, I don’t think the claims of the “Birthers” have any validity, but that doesn’t excuse OBAMA from having to answer the question. IF he is a legit PRES then he should shut everyone up and prove!!! What’s the secret he’s hiding?

        I also find it strange how you guys are so CERTAIN that he will be found a valid citizen….Is it your personal approval of his policies that is clouding your judgement? I don’t get your allegance, maybe we should have a look at your birth certificates.

        • eyeswideopen

          So, you want him to be the only President in history, to prove to a bunch of right wing radicals, who won’t accept the facts anyway, that his birth cert is real? Don’t you have faith that the Republican party leaders, already thought of this as a way to prevent him from running in the first place? I guarrantee that the finest legal minds, Conservative, Radical rt wingers in this country have tried and not been able to prove that he isn’t a legal citizen. It is truly just a rally cry to keep people upset and another deviceive tactic. After court then what, will they all shut up? No, they will look for another judge, and another judge….

          • Rod the Other

            EYES…This is the first PRES in history where it has been in question…and NO I don’t have faith in the REPUBS, I beleive I have stated that many times here and been very clear about it!
            If he is the grand uniter like he claims, why won’t he put this matter to bed and answer the question.
            Would it matter to you if he was found to be inelligible? DONT YOU WANT TO KNOW.

            And I don’t think he is answering ‘right-wingers”, he’s answering the American people. It is his responsibility to do so.

            ONCE AGAIN!!! I don’t think there is ANY validity to the claims, but he has made me VERY curious as to why he won’t answer the question. Is he just stalling so he has the time to forge a document?

            AND I find it very interesting that you smear Repubs & Conservatives with ignoring the facts.
            I have seen a number of studies and one recently that was VERY indepth that showed how people of Conservative nature tend to seek opinions of people they don’t agree with presumably in an effort to see if their view point can stand the test of debate and if it’s merits are sound. While those of a LIBERAL nature only tend to seek like-minded opinions so they can reinforce their already held beliefs. LIBS tend to close their mind to opposing views (FACTS INCLUDED) because it doesn’t fit with their thinking.
            ONCE AGAIN EYES…YOUR TRUE COLORS ARE SHOWING!

          • denniso

            Rod..your ‘study’ that shows conservatives seek other opinions out more than liberals..CATEGORICALLY WRONG!! One of the basic definitions of liberal is tolerating other views. Conservatives, on the other hand, are always absolutely certain in their beliefs w/ almost no room for debate. They are essentially fundamentalist in their opinions.

          • Rod the Other

            So DENNISO the Grand-decider hath bequeathed that the UNIVERSITY research is “CATAGORICALLY WRONG” because the most basic defintion of liberal is tolerating other views! (?) BBAAAAAHHHAAAHHAAAAAAHHHAAA ssssnnnniiickeer..hhaaaahhaa, sssssnnik…..eerrr. YOUR A FOOL!

            FIRST; tolerating other views is ABSOLUTELY, UNEQUIVOCALLY, WITHOUT A DOUBT, AND INDISPUTABLY NOT how liberals behave…Get real! The only people liberals are tolerant with are other liberals. LIBs are the most bigoted, intolerant, and violence prone people on the face of this planet….Take a look at any LIB protest for your proof. They always end up rioting.

            I have not met one Conservative yet that wasn’t willing to engage in civil debate about ideas and policies. Some do have tempers, particularly when they think they are talking to morons that don’t want an actual discussion, but they don’t seek to belittle and demean like the LIBs do.

          • JeffH

            Rod the Other, a typical libby response would be: Tell me how you would take back this country? You rt/wingnuts will grab your guns and march your violent christian bigot behinds to the White House steps. Is that all you brownshirts can do, mob violence and biggoted hate? Obama doesn’t want to take your guns! Please, tell me about one freedom you have lost?
            How do you propose to “take back the coutry”? I know what lock and load means!

          • Rod the Other

            JeffH…It is so true and I find that sad. I happen to be of the belief that descenting opinion is vital to a vibrant America. The only way a person can verify the validity of their belief is to engage in discussion with those whom do not hold that beleief. And, through the process of discussion & debate the two side find the truth.
            It is all too common when talking with LIBs that their beliefs can not and do not stand up to honest exploration. The unintended consequences always expose what a flawed paradigm Communism, liberalism, socialism, fascism, all the “-isms” are. And when the lefties are cornered they ALWAYS start with the personal attacks and irrational logic. They put words in your mouth and try to employ Alinski’ rule #13: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.
            It becomes rather tirersome and irritating. But the only way to defeat it is to address it head on and expose it. There are far to many young and impressionable minds out there that are prone to the emotional manipulation of the immature liberal mind. It is very telling that the LIberal paradigm is much more popular with youg people than older people that have experienced more in this world. But of course yo do have old-mules that will NEVER really look at the results of that LIBERAL-PARADIGM because then they would have to admit they ARE wrong and have been wrong.

  • Rod

    Like I said a little earlier, Obama has been ordered by a Calif. Fed. judge to produce his birth certificate to see if he is eligible to be President.

  • Rod

    I will say it again, A Fed. Judge in Calif. has issued an order
    to Obama and his Attorneys to Produce Obama,s birth certificate
    by Jan. 26th. 2010. Over Obama’s and his Attorneys VERY strong objections,
    the judge said, the American people are entitled to know wheather Obama is qualified to run for the office of the president of the
    United States of America.

    • JeffH

      Rod, I left a link to the website above for all to see.

  • Rod the Other

    The following is a clip from http://todaytomorrowandbeyond.wordpress.com/2006/11/15/complacency-and-apathy/

    “A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.”

    “From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.”

    “The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years.”

    “During those 200 years, those nations always progressed through the following sequence:

    1. From bondage to spiritual faith;
    2. From spiritual faith to great courage;
    3. From courage to liberty;
    4. From liberty to abundance;
    5. From abundance to complacency;
    6. From complacency to apathy;
    7. From apathy to dependence;
    8. From dependence back into bondage”

    WHERE IN THIS LIST DO YOU THINK WE ARE???

    • JeffH

      Rod the Other

      No question, From apathy to dependence with bondage waiting at the partially opened door

    • eyeswideopen

      #4, we let the corporation take over this country and this economic crisis proved just that. We gave up liberty for riches. We gave up liberty due to greed amoungst the wealthy who wanted even more and were willing to purchase our law makers.

      • Rod the Other

        EYES…With all do respect, Do you realize that over 80% of the “CORPORATIONS” in this country are small business? You know those small “mom&pop” shops that are the largest creator of jobs and wealth in this country.
        LIBS are always ready to decry the offenses of Corporate America and how Corp Amer. is raping the people of their wealth. And, it is always done with this underlying insinutation, or outright statement, of “…those greedy fatcat Repubs”.
        Take a look at the political contributions of the LARGEST Corps. They contribute far more to the Democrats than any other party. While your at it take a look at “Tammany Hall”, Obama is resurecting it.

      • JeffH

        As usual, you have focused on the past and not the here and now!

    • Rod the Other

      I think we are split about evenly.
      Some people (mostly Conservative) are in #6 and others (mostly LIBs) have moved on to area #7.

  • Sophelia

    President Obama was not elected by opinion polls. There are those
    of us who have Faith in the One who allowed this to take place at this historic time in the lives of His people. God, through Christ Jesus, will continue to be in charge. We declare Love, Peace, and positive well-wishes upon all peoples of the universe. Good will prevail, and so will righteousness and protection for the poor and under-served. I personally respect the right for each person to express themselves. There remains a silent majority who wish for the success of the United States and are patriotic and intelligent/civil enough to respect the democratic process. We will all receive what we truly deserve. Our thoughts and opinions not only define who we are, but also draw to us, what we are!
    The universal law is: Sowing and Reaping.

  • Norm

    Only a few short years ago the Republican Party was busy talking up President Bush. At that time they sang his praises, they compared him to Jesus, they envisioned him leading a crusade against Islam and the Terrorist, they said he was a true leader, forceful, decisive, a man with the courage to act on his convictions.

    They said he was a principled leader, the right man for the job that history had put him there at this time to lead America in one of our darkest moments.

    Well that was about 4 years ago and today nearly every Republican politician in the country tacitly only acknowledges his role as a past President and former leader of their political party. The truth today is a little different as many so called Republican Leaders in their words and many in their deeds acknowledge that the Bush Presidency may have been itself one of the darkest moments in American history.

    It is no secret that many Democrats think the Bush Presidency was bad for America, but what is surprising is how many Republicans acknowledge it. They say he lost his way on the economy, they say Iraq was a mistake or they call it the wrong war. And for years they blamed the slowness of our economy on the policies of the Clinton years but after 8 years of tax cuts and Republican economic policy implemented under President Bush even they quietly acknowledge that we had little or no real growth in our economy for the entire Bush Presidency.

    All I can say is oh how the mighty have fallen.

    • Rod the Other

      Straight from the nightstand diary of Keith Olberman…Keep drinking the punch NORM. I’m not even going to waste my buzz spending the time picking that turd apart.

    • denniso

      Norm..good comment and very true..

  • JeffH

    Some interesting reading posted on another website.
    Oct 19:Would Karl Marx Approve Of Obama’s Policies? [Reader Post]
    ““The executive of the modern State is but a committee for managing the common affairs of the whole bourgeoisie…”
    I can’t help but wonder if Marx would identify Soros, the large banks, and Wall Street as the new bourgeoisie of the Obama Executive. I think that Karl would be extremely unimpressed with the antics of this carbon copy Marxism.

    Obama seems partially aware of the popular rhetorical ideas of revolution and is intent on rebuilding the most perfect society with a minimal understanding of Marx’s idea of societal revolution. Revolutions are easy to enunciate, but difficult to carry through. Three conditions are essential for a successful revolution.
    You must have determined leaders. Men who are willing to gamble everything including their lives for an idea. Men who can inspire others to follow them, straight to the gates of Hell.
    There must be dedicated followers, people who will follow orders without question. Often complicated by revolutionaries, who often have their own ideas of how things should be run, no matter where they are in rank.
    The other side must be morally and militarily weak, otherwise there is a bloodbath.
    Obama’s Revolution is destined to fail, it falls short on all three requirements for a successful revolution.
    The effort of Obama to erode the nationalism and integrity of the United States would have probably been met with approval by Marx. Marx believed that proletarians should consider themselves workers first and foremost and above nationalism.
    Initially, Obama inspired many people, but like a candle running out of wax his inspiration is fading.
    Like a moth that eventually flies into the flame, I think Obama’s prominence will be short; thank goodness, he didn’t have that charisma along with the intelligence and dedication of Marx.”

    • Rod the Other

      I do beleive that OBAMA has a following of VERY DEDICATED follower. Although it is not sufficient in number to become a revolution.

      When I look at the eyes of the college students that showed up to his campaign stops I would get scared. Look at the eyes of some of those kids, it is alomst like the crowds that gathered for the Beatles. They are wide-eyed, agitated, and on the verge of ecstasy just being in his presence….VERY SCARY!

  • D Reed

    As horrible as Obama is, he is only the perhaps final puppet in the scheme of the New World Order. If anybody has been paying attention, we were warned years ago, by Gary Allen and John Stormer in None Dare Call it Conspiracy and None Dare Call it Treason. This plan has been activated since 1900 and thereabouts. There aren’t many things left to accomplish. They have enacted the ten planks of the Communist Manifesto and American People were silent. This was done by Clinton’s Admin. Look up Fabian Society. Look up Margaret Sanger’s Negro Project. Look up Eugenics, and Carnegie, Ford and Rockefeller. Look up the Georgia Guidestones.
    We watched as 72 men women and children were torched and bludgeoned to death as a “cult” yet denied their rights as citizens, and Americans looked the other way, instead impeaching Clinton for a floosie affair. We watched and allowed the Powers to kill a wife in Ruby Ridge Idaho trying to mind her own business with her family, and never getting justice.

    We did not pray for our leaders. It is a command. Now this is what we get.
    Face it, we dropped the ball because it was the People’s responsibility to demand that our Government be called into account. We let it go too long, and now it is too late. It is time to take our medicine, because there is no more turning back. We will face martial law.We will have to face refusing the microchip (mark of the beast) We will be beheaded. (Revelation 20)

  • Rod

    Watch out for Obama and the treaty signing with the U.N. in December.

  • Robert

    Well today is election day in New Joisey. Lousy slate of candidates to choose from. I’ll vote for Christy. The lesser of three evils. More importantly, I’m voting against the $400 million Green Acre’s Bond Issue. After getting the details on this Bond Issue, which was extremely difficult to get, guess what. It’s laden with special interest payoffs and waste. A fraction of this money would actually go to buying land or imroving what the state already owns. Further research and past records shows that most of the land purchases would benefit politically connected real estate owners who bought the properties from the state during the last several years. Please, let me know if you think the State of New Joisey is the most corrupt of all the states. I’m originally from New York City, which isn’t too far behind in government waste, political cronyism etc,etc. But this state in my opinion makes all the other states look like the Garden of Eden. Just venting as a God Fearing, Tax Paying, Law Abiding real American citizen.

    • JeffH

      Good luck in NJ. I live in California and can’t wait for the elections here. It is time to rid our state and our nation of the mentaly disabled Nancy Pelosi with her “eyes in the headlight” stare.
      Many need to get lost, but it is Pelosi, Feinstein and Boxer that head the incumbent list in this state. Now they can retire in comfort on the taxpayer dime and stop their irrational spending and legislative habits.

    • Rod the Other

      Robert…I don’t disagree with anything you said. But I would have to put Chicago head and shoulders above the rest as the most corrupt.

  • JeffH

    Mr. Livingston and the commentors on the Personal Liberty Digest . I APOLOGISE to each of you for lowering myself to the underground level of a few. My initial comments were clearly directed at this current administration, and the elected and appointed politicos that support Obamas takeover of America, but as usual, attacks on Obama become very personal for the minority on this site. I have made it a point to give a larger helping of “dog dew” to the extreme left that choose to disrupt these posts with their personal hate and personal name calling at the personal level. Is it right? NO! Will it stop? We’ll see. Who knows where the lunacy will end.
    Thank you Bob Livingston for providing this Personal Liberty Digest for all of us to discuss, and vent.

  • Blue

    To the informed posters here.

    I’m not a regular here or on any other of these sites so pardon how I write this posting.

    Not heavily into politics, I don’t run my mouth off on things I’m not sure of as some posters do but do understand enough of where this country is headed and don’t like it. It’s a shame that you informed gentlemen have to deal with the American Idol watchers here, who really have no clue what is REALLY happening in politics and whose minds you most likely will not change. :-(

    I’m jumping in to add a bit of information, a link on a YOUTUBE clip I watched, since the subject above went in this direction. For those who have not seen it, I hope it confirms what you Intelligent Thinkers know already and for those UNinformed diehards, it will shed some light in regards to the direction this country is being steered, if they care to open their minds.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d7amETRbdE&feature=player_embedded

    Hope I interjected something worthwhile. Thanks

    • Blue

      SORRY! I attached the wrong link but THAT one was just as important also.

      Here is the one I intended to send:

      http://www.personalliberty.com/feature-video/goodbye-u-s-sovereignty-hello-one-world-government/

      • Rod the Other

        BLUE…AGIAN thanks for bring the BIG GUNS into this debate. I can’t wait to read DENNISO & EYES & NORM refute that speaker. This should be good…Let me get some popcorn!

        And the guys English accent just makes him that much more credible…don’t you think?

      • JeffH

        Blue, thanks. I did watch and listen when this was on the sidebar. Quite disturbing but does fit right in with the puzzle Obama is building.

    • Rod the Other

      BLUE..Well my, my, my, there you go puching hate & vitriol…Don’t you know that the LIBS are going to be mad? They have told us time & time again that the FACTS have no place here? And there you go…

      But DENNISO & EYES & NORM have all assured us that Obama just wants what’s best for us and the nation…Did you “edit” that C-SPAN broadcast…I’m sure that DENNISO &DENNISO & EYES & NORM do!

      THANKS for being yet one more person to SHINE THE LIGHT OF TRUTH on these debates. I can see DENNISO & EYES & NORM running for cover under the fridge.

  • Maggie

    Rod the other–You have good sense, brother. Our narcissistic so-called president has manufactured a crisis so that while we are upset over “healthcare” he can, and has, gone under cover and passed legistature without our knowledge. He is Islam all the way and anyone who cannot see that hasn’t read enough, studied enough, listened OR opened their eyes and ears. He has already stated that when it “comes down to the wire” he will always back the Muslims. And what is Islam’s agenda? World domination. They have a history (go back to the Bible) of domination; usually their neighbors. Now, having poured into England, France and most other countries in their region they have poured into America. If Obama can just keep us fighting among ourselves he can pull the wool completely over our eyes. Read the book by Joel Richardson–”AntiChrist: Islam’s Awaited Messiah”. If that doesn’t tell the braindead who BO is in cahoots with I feel sorry for them. maggie

  • Claire

    Geez…Isn’t it funny that when people disagree with a person’s opinions, they get all freaked out!! Some of you people are like Hannity–he has various people on his show and when they don’t agree with him he freaks out. I thought we were all for freedom of speech. Everyone on this post has a right to say what they want and what they believe in. We do not have to resort to name calling and ridicule. We do not have to belittle each other. Remember, you get more with honey than you do vinegar.

    • Rod the Other

      CLAIRE…Only an idiot would bring a knife to a gun fight….Is this your first time on this board? Have you read any of the distortions that the LIBs post here (judging by your Hannity sentiment, I’m waiting for you to join them)? Don’t be so Polly-Anna. I had a very civil disposition when I began posting here, and after repeated attacks & distrotions of my words from DENNISO, EYEWIDEOPEN, AND NORM I decided the gloves are coming off and the only respect I will show to those that offer none in return is to not cuss. As that is a sign of an ignorant mind and DENNISO HATES competition.

      By the way..Your comment on Hannity is lunacy. I have never seen him be anything but civil…Which is quite a feat when his LIB guests start to BOLD-FACE-LIE.

  • Maggie

    Oh, and my comment was for Rod the Other.

  • Conservagirl

    Since I am new to these threads, let me say that after reading them, I can now see why others think the Conservative Party is full of nothing but narrow minded radicals. It is very disconcerning to see that a civil conversation cannot be held, without calling the other party ugly names,and adjectives that aren’t necessary. I didn’t know why we were getting such a bad reputation about civil discourse, until I read these comments. If any of your young children read the ugly and distasteful way these blogs are written, you would and should be ashamed. When you are debating, it is a known fact, that the first one to name call has lost the debate, which is considered an intellectual loss. What is most interesting is that the most knowledgeable seem to be the worst offenders. I can understand those who aren’t as educated becoming angry and spouting off, but those who have a higher intellect are usually more in control of their actions and emotions. That is not true here. I am preparing for the name calling I will now receive and will have to accept that the majority of the people on this site don’t want to exchange ideas, the purpose seems to be a bonding of hateful ideologies. It must offer some sort of comfort to have so many to commensurate with, but what happens if a liberal doesn’t venture onto the site? Does it get boring with no one to banter with? Do you just make your statements and everyone agrees and then what? This is offered only as an observation of the intercourse displayed here. I am hoping that it was just this topic on this thread that was so hostile, took so much time reading that I haven’t had time to review the others. I honestly didn’t see much conversation on the topic of policies or bills passed.

    • Rod the Other

      CONSERVAGIRL….I once held beliefs very similar to yours and still wish that civil conversation and intelligent debate ruled the day. But sadly their are those in this country and on this site that fane allegance to our Constituion, but really seek to “Fundamentally transform” it into something less than a free state. Those individuals will not allow such, and will only use it to feel superior in their game of “gotcha”.

      I am quite certain that you will fine my explanation of my contribution to the ugliness unsatisfactory and lacking and for that I am truly sorry and a little embarassed.
      But I have never been one that will allow someone to slap me in the face and I then turn the other cheek. My response has always been to break their nose. I hold the montra, “Don’t tread on me” as a call to arms when I have been offended. I also beleive that taking the high-road is merely give the opponent more “ground” and somewhat cowardly.

      I applaud you for your exhortation, but this arena is more like a bar than a cocktail party…it’s dog-eat-dog. I look forward to the day when civil discourse can be center stage.

      • Rod the Other

        CORRECTION.. “I am quite certain that you will FIND..”

    • libertytrain

      Conservagirl – excellent post.

  • Linda L Hill

    Everyone is entitled to say what they believe or think, however, the time is a-wasting. Make it clear, we truly have a huge problem with our existing Government, Democrates or Republicans. It is time for a call for action. Time to vote out those who will not standup and fight with us to get our country back on its feet. Obama is the wrong choice, however, he had a lot of help with his bad policies, like the Congress, the Senate, Pelosi, and let us not forget his Czars. Wake and smell the Communists, Socialists, Progressives, or whatever they are. Let us get rid of them now!

  • Bernie

    Just for fun, try this test out. They use a 4 dimensional scale, not just “left” or “right.” This means they use one scale, left to right, to gauge whether you’re in fiscally conservative or favor “economic equality.” The up/down is how socially liberal or conservative you are. for example, if you’re fiscally conservative yet socially liberal, then you’re a libertarian. If you’re socially conservative and fiscally liberal, you fall into the “authoritarian-right” category. Some politicians are in places you wouldn’t expect them to be, such as Sarah Palin, who is considered to be fiscally liberal, not because she loves welfare, but because she supports monstrous corporate subsidies and tax breaks. It really is an interesting test, I ended up somewhere I didn’t think I’d be.
    http://politicalcompass.org/

  • http://baugeri@optonline.net Robert Augeri

    Most Democrates don’t realize that the american people if this health care bill passes intact they will be voting themselves a pink slip for a long time to come. This is just one of many issues that face our nation today that they the democratic party are trying to push. Illegal immigration, which they want to pass. ALL illegals hurt our economy the medical system, the school system social security, and the burden to our law enforcement community and to the illegals commiting acts of violence. I personally will only vote for someone who is willing to put all these elected officals in the same medical as we the people. Obama told the american people of change, he reminds me of Hitler what was done to the German people back in the 1930s. I really believe I will also only vote for someone who is willing to reduce there golden parachute.

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