Al-Qaida’s ‘Standards Of Friendship And Enmity In Islam’ Spells Out Jihad Against The West

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The Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) has made public a translation of a recent al-Qaida broadcast in which a militant Pakistani cleric spells out who the enemies of Islam are — and how faithful Muslims should treat them.

It’s a translation of a lecture entitled “Standards of Friendship and Enmity in Islam” delivered by an Urdu-speaking cleric named Abdul Samad. Samad uses scripture and hadiths to cement the point that Muslims have no business associating with infidels, and that they should wage jihad against anything that isn’t Islamic to its very core until the world is populated only by Muslims.

From the MEMRI website:

i) The most powerful and binding relation is Islam.

ii) The believers, who do not disassociate themselves from nonbelievers and do not distinguish their ranks from people who have interest in worldly things, can never serve Islam effectively.

iii) Our friendship and enmity should only be for Allah’s cause.

iv) Our friendship, relationship and love should only be with the people who believe in Islam and Allah as the ruler.

v) The people, who do not accept Allah as the ruler and do not believe in Islam are our enemy and we should disassociate ourselves from them even if they are our close relatives and from our tribe.

vi) The infidels, whether they are the Jews or Christians, atheists and polytheists, are the real infidels and are the enemies of Allah’s faith (Islam).

vii) The Koran has termed friendship with Kuffar (infidels) as a sign of disunity and unbelief, as it is associated with the foundations of belief.

viii) The people declared by Allah as our enemy can never be our friends.

ix) The non-believers are the enemies of our elderly people, women and children. They kill the Muslims with bombs either in Kashmir, Iraq, or Palestine. There is hardly a day when a Muslim escapes their cruelty.

x) They open several fronts (against Muslims) after entering a region. One of their fronts is education. They used it in the Egypt and Turkey; and they currently use it in Pakistan against the Muslims.

xi) Our enmity towards Hindus is not due to the Kashmir issue; our enmity towards America is not due to Iraq and Afghanistan; the enmity between us and the Jews is not due to the Palestine; the real cause is that they do not accept our system and Islam.

xii) Our enmity towards them (the non-believers) will continue even if they renounce all their crimes.

xiii) Enmity towards infidels is a must. It is part of our faith. Islam says the Muslims should stay away from the infidels and their countries.

xiv) The best way to get rid of them (infidels) is to continue jihad until the Allah’s faith (Islam) is completely enforced all over the world.

In theory, there is no reason why Christians, Muslims, pagans and everybody else must actively pursue the obliteration of other belief systems. Regardless of what the religious books tell Christians and Muslims to do or not do to each other, it is mankind who decides doctrine and who chooses whether to follow the religious texts closely or with a wide interpretive berth.

There are places in this world where Christians and Muslims have lived together in peace for centuries. But those places are becoming scarcer, because we are living in a time when the local and regional prestige of Islamists who wish for a literal enactment of the Quran on Earth is strong. And the appeal of religious absolutism is on the rise in those impoverished, destabilized parts of the world where the population — and fundamentalist Islam with it — is burgeoning.

The United States needs leaders who will be clear about the threat to free society that fundamental Islamists pose. The “Standards of Friendship and Enmity in Islam” shows that the Islamists intend to speak and act with conviction when it comes to interacting with the “infidel” world. President Barack Obama and his successors should drop America’s temerity over discriminating against Islam as a religion or abstraction and hew to a policy that shows America isn’t afraid to identify our very human enemies.

A religion is benign until evil men wield it to serve a political agenda. And that’s a battle that’s continually unfolding, with frightening outcome, in the restless Islamic world. “The Allah’s faith” cannot be “completely enforced all over the world” without politics, without theocracy. Fundamentalist Islam is a political problem for the rest of the world, and there can be no solution until Western leaders will embrace that plain truth with unwavering confidence.

Al-Qaida and other legalistic Islamist groups are growing. And in many regions, their brand of fundamentalism isn’t the isolated, wing-nut, fringe social influence that our liberal leaders would have us believe.

Al-Qaida is telling us how and why it’s taking the fight to the West. Should the liberal West, whose leaders have become so open-minded that their brains are falling out, not start listening?

Personal Liberty

Ben Bullard

Reconciling the concept of individual sovereignty with conscientious participation in the modern American political process is a continuing preoccupation for staff writer Ben Bullard. A former community newspaper writer, Bullard has closely observed the manner in which well-meaning small-town politicians and policy makers often accept, unthinkingly, their increasingly marginal role in shaping the quality of their own lives, as well as those of the people whom they serve. He argues that American public policy is plagued by inscrutable and corrupt motives on a national scale, a fundamental problem which individuals, families and communities must strive to solve. This, he argues, can be achieved only as Americans rediscover the principal role each citizen plays in enriching the welfare of our Republic.

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  • Lee Berry

    Join together as a nation and pray. Meanwhile remove the evil from the White House that is allowing – inviting – encouraging this intrusion and invasion of our country.

    • Deerinwater

      Are you kidding me? ~ i don’t think I’m interested in your prayers. The current administer has overseen more deportations & extradition than both Bush’s combined.

      You need to get your head screwed on right and facts straight.

      http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/aug/10/american-principles-action/has-barack-obama-deported-more-people-any-other-pr/

      • Lee Berry

        I think you have your facts wrong Deer – he prevents the deportations. In the newest amnesty reform “efforts,” employers will be fined heavily for hiring citizens rather than illegals (I watched this as it was brought out on C-Span during the senate discussion…so not a blogger’s gossip item) Maybe you need to check some real resources before you attack those that go TO the sources rather than “kinda-sorta-maybe’s.”

      • stopspending4

        Really??? Obama and his administration have declared dreamers legal in the US even though our other elected officials in Congress did n ot vote for this. He sued Arizona for trying to enforce immigration laws yet encourages Ca to stop the deportation or even reporting of criminal illegal immigrants. Maybe O can come up with some numbers that seem to suggest he is sending people home but that is not true. He counts those that turn away at the border before entering as being deported, yet past administrations only counted those that were REALLY deported. Investigate the REAL numbers before posting and you will not look so uninformed.

      • Jimmy Wayne Barnett

        That’s a lie ! he has released more illegals without deporting them,even those illegals who have openly protested against depotation than they have since he took office and he has released more detainee from Gitmo too!I see where you got your facts and that’s your problem you can’t believe anything from them.Try checking your facts from a reputable source!The Transactional Records Access Clearinghouse (TRAC), a data-gathering, research and distribution organization at Syracuse University, reported last week that the number of deportation legal proceedings initiated between October and December 2011 fell by 33 percent from the previous quarter.

        The document was widely circulated, and one Republican lawmaker expressed outrage at the decline.

        “Last quarter’s data confirms what we knew all along: President Obama is recklessly determined to grant backdoor amnesty to thousands of illegal immigrants,” Texas Rep. Lamar Smith said in a statemeBut a key question remains: what are the real deportation numbers? Nobody knows for sure, said Dan Kowalski, editor of Bender’s Immigration Bulletin and curator of the LexisNexis Immigration Law Community.

        “We only know how many get caught every day and how many get deported. In between, we know nothing,” Kowalski said. “There is no way to prove these numbers.”

        “No one knows,” Hoffman, the immigration attorney, agreed. That’s the answer; everybody is doing their own guessing and it’s all politically motivated.”

      • S.C.Murf

        And you deerinthedark need to make that POPPING sound

        up the hill
        airborne

  • Sarah Conner

    And in this article it says to stay away from ‘infidels ‘ AND their countries…so why are they so hell bent on living in America ? World domination…and obozo wants that so bad,he is escalating the war on Christians…never mind the fact that he is a homo and when ragheads have no further use for him,they will behead him and his ilk…wouldn’t want to miss that show…

    • Robert Messmer

      You stopped reading too early, read the next one that says we keep killing infidels until Islam is the world. Much easier to kill us if they are here as opposed to being there.

    • TML

      “so why are they so hell bent on living in America ?”

      Because most of them do not hold the beliefs written by Al-Qaeda, and value the freedom they have in the United States.

  • dan

    I don’t want to be their freakin’ friend …
    and neither should anyone else that’s remotely sane

  • Sam

    Islam is devil worship because allah commands them to kill all infidels. Who wants everyone dead? Satan does, that’s who. Therefore, allah is satan.

  • TML

    “And in many regions, their brand of fundamentalism isn’t the isolated, wing-nut, fringe social influence”

    In many more regions, it is the minority isolated, wing-nut, fringe.
    “Standards of Friendship and Enmity in Islam”, written by Al-Qaeda (whom is opposed by many Muslims and Middle East societies; i.e. Syria, Iran, etc.), should not be automatically applied to all 1 billion Muslims on the planet.

    • YourAntithesis

      That’s the problem and part of what many here are saying, TML. Where were the “moderate” Muslims denouncing the Boston Bombers? Where were they denouncing the beheading of that British soldier in broad daylight? What about the countless atrocities done to women in the name of allah and Shari’a law? I could go on and on, but the truth is when moderates of any faction, be it religious, political, or otherwise, do not come out and say that the radicals are wrong in doing what they do and condemn their actions, people will see them all as the same. But everyone fears the fatwa, so everyone stays quiet, but how is it that if, as you put it, there are 1 billion Muslims on the planet, that they’re all so afraid to speak up against the presumed minuscule amount of radicals?

      • TML
        • YourAntithesis

          Two of those links are the exact same thing with what Awad said. Another one just says certain Muslims don’t consider the Boston Bombers to be “true” Muslims. And the 9-11 one merely claims there was a vigil. Where was the outrage? Where were the people saying the Taliban are garbage and not “true Muslims”, as the one link does about the Boston Bombers? There was supposed to be a “million Muslim march” on 9-11-13 to protest their mistreatment and discrimination in this country (laughable accusation). How about a million Muslim march denouncing the Taliban? How about the high-ranking Clerics denouncing radical Islam instead of saying they will not rest until the world is ruled by Shari’a law? Now do you understand why the western world seems suspicious of Islam?

          • TML

            You seem to be dancing the issue.

            First you say, “Another one just says certain Muslims don’t consider the Boston Bombers to be “true” Muslims.”

            And then ask, “Where were the people saying the Taliban are garbage and not “true Muslims””

            I’ve clearly shown (and much more available with a simple search on the internet) the Muslim outrage toward the Boston Bombing, and many more examples for 9/11, including acts of kindness and morning. Not all Muslims are the same because not all people are the same. You, however, along with the false rhetoric of most Western Nations, tend to speak of Muslims and Islam as if they were really one person, and that a statement made by one cleric defines the whole. This is utterly illogical. As far as the Taliban, I’ve heard about as much outrage over the Taliban from Muslims as I have from the United States. In fact, Iran offered to help defeat the Taliban and Al-Qaeda (both of whom the US armed and trained) but the US refused. Iran also offered help to defeat Iraq (who the US also armed during it’s illegal invasion of Iran, in which chemical weapons were used by Saddam), but the US also refused. There are radicals in every religion. I understand why the West is suspicious of Islam, which is primarily Jewish and Christian rhetoric and governmental interests of imperialism.

          • Carlos

            You can say all you want about moderate Muslims, if you want to call them moderate, you and they still believe in the Qur’an and if you can show me, where does the Qur’an teach moderate?, there definition of moderate is, sticking the knife in halfway.
            The Muslims and there offspring should be shipped back to where they come from.
            Take Barry with them.

          • TML

            As an atheist, I don’t ‘believe in’ the Qur’an, and I’m not sure what you mean when you ask ‘where does the Qur’an teach moderate’. Just like the Bible, both books carry peaceful and moral commands as well as commands of atrocities. It is to the individual to pull from the book (whether peace or violence) what is already in their heart.

            “The Muslims and there offspring should be shipped back to where they come from.”

            They used to say the same things about blacks, but then, you’re the one trying to equate blacks with Muslims, so it’s obvious you are racist.

          • Carlos

            You must have inside information on the Iranian leaders. claiming they
            condemn acts of terrorism, It seems like they not only have threatened the
            U.S, but, has threatened to eliminate the Nation Of Israel, this doesn’t sound like peace loving Imams to me.

            Yes, I still contend, all Muslims should be shipped back to their homelands, we do not need this type of cultism in this country, We are a Christian nation, If these immigrants want to live in this Nation then they should leave their culture behind and accept our values, This same goes for the believers in the Talmud. It is obvious, Mohammed used the Old Testament to originate the Qur’an, something like Joseph Smith did with the Book of Mormon.

            The difference there, is the Mormons are patriotic American citizens. and are not willing to chop off your head unless you submit.
            If you live in a Muslim country and do not accept their belief, you are not allowed to participate in any pert of the governing of that nation and you must not proselytize your religion or you will face dire consequences. So I say, ship them back to where they come from,
            Yes I equate blacks with Muslims, a large number are joining this religion along with the Nation of Islam.

            We are allowing a cancer to grow in our country and sooner or later will lead to bloodshed. For evidence you need to look no further than Africa.

            I do not judge people by their color, I do judge them by their actions.

            This time in our country’s history I’m ashamed of the president and the Democratic party, never, in my lifetime has a party tried so hard to tear this nation down, using a black puppet as their sceptre and the black race for the most part are willing recipients , and those few that do not stand with them, I salute as loyal Americans.

            So in that sense I am a racists.

          • TML

            Carlos says, “You must have inside information on the Iranian leaders. claiming they condemn acts of terrorism,”

            “Mass killings of human beings are catastrophic acts which are condemned. Wherever they may happen and whoever the perpetrators and the victims may be” – Iran’s Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei

            And the new President Rouhani openly condemned all acts of terrorism in his recent UN speech.

            Carlos says, “It seems like they not only have threatened the U.S, but, has threatened to eliminate the Nation Of Israel, this doesn’t sound like peace loving Imams to me.”

            Please give me the reference to where Iran’s Supreme Leader ever threatened such a thing. If you are referring to the erroneous claim that Iran threatened to “wipe Israel off the map” then I will point out that the translation was wrong, and that there isn’t even an idiom in Persian for ‘wipe of the map’. The true translation was “the occupying regime over Jerusalem should vanish from the page of time”. They were referring to the Zionist regime that is internationally recognized as being engaged in an illegal military and settler occupation of Palestinian land and East Jerusalem; not turning the Israel (Palestine) into a glass parking lot.

            Carlos says, “Yes, I still contend, all Muslims should be shipped back to their homelands, we do not need this type of cultism in this country, We are a Christian nation, If these immigrants want to live in this Nation then they should leave their culture behind and accept our values, This same goes for the believers in the Talmud.”

            This is a nation of immigrants, you realize? And this is not a “Christian nation” just because the majority population is Christian. Treaty of Tripoli Article 11 “the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion”

            If the same goes for the believers in the Talmud (Jews), why stop there… deport all Japanese, blacks, and anyone else that isn’t white European, eh?

            Carlos says, “It is obvious, Mohammed used the Old Testament to originate the Qur’an, something like Joseph Smith did with the Book of Mormon.”

            It’s obvious the Old Testament was used to originate the New Testament as well. Interestingly enough, the Muslims actually accept Jesus as a prophet.

            Carlos says, “The difference there, is the Mormons are patriotic American citizens. and are not willing to chop off your head unless you submit.”

            I have yet to meet a Muslim that wants to kill me.

            Carlos says, ”If you live in a Muslim country and do not accept their belief, you are not allowed to participate in any pert of the governing of that nation and you must not proselytize your religion or you will face dire consequences.”

            That’s their country. If they come to the US they are bound by our laws, just as you are bound by their if you visit their country. Many of the Muslims that are here in the US, are here to get away from oppressive regimes as well and cherish the freedom they have here.

          • Carlos

            TML,

            Your defense of Iran and the Muslims makes me think you are a closet Muslim like our president.

            First off.Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, Decides whether Iran goes to war against Israel or any nation not Rhouhani;
            On Friday, in a major speech at prayers, Khamenei announced that Iran will support any nation or group that attacks the “cancerous tumor” of
            Israel. Though his statement was seen by some in the West as fluff, there is substance behind it.
            Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2012/02/ayatollah-kill-all-jews-annihilate-israel/#wGVX5EmgUJE1i5dG.99

            You will probably ridicule WND, however, I will take their word more so than the Washington Post or other left wing outlets. Since we can only depend on news agencies for our intelligence, I will take the conservatve view,

            TML says:I have yet to meet a Muslim that wants to kill me.

            Did you see the planes fly into the towers? They weren’t aimed specifically at you, they were aimed at every American. And every other Muslim attack in this country was aimed at all Americans,

            TML says:“the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion”
            Nothing could be further from the truth, This country was founded on the Christian faith.

            We separated the State from any religious domination, but, that doesn’t mean our laws and constitution is not based in the faith. of God,

            You Atheist types and left wing Marxist want to believe the founding fathers were like you, not true, Washington, Jefferson were very religious, there were a couple of atheist who joined in the writing of the Constitution. Jefferson went through a period where he questioned Christ as God,.

            This country was not founded by immigrants as you mean, the people who came here to escape the tyranny of the Church of England were very religious Protestants and so our country was started.

            They built this country so people could worship as they wanted, however, the laws and constitution are based in god. Not Mohammed or your Allah.
            If the Muslims came here for freedom, why? if their religion is so great why did they have to come here to feel free? I think many of them come here to proselytize their religion. and I still say, send them back.

          • TML

            No, I’m pure atheist, I just can’t stand the constant discrimination of Muslims (or anyone else), just because of their religion (that’s not what this country is supposed to be about) and I dispel the myths of the warmongers concerning Iran. Speaking of which…

            Carlos says, “On Friday, in a major speech at prayers, Khamenei announced that Iran will support any nation or group that attacks the “cancerous tumor” of Israel.”

            I can find nothing but that assertion made by obviously very bias blogs and Jewish run sites; not a single credible source or transcript. I’m willing to bet just as the phrase “wipe off the map” was erroneously attributed, this is a similar situation. Israel is always doing these kinds of things, trying to play the holocaust card to justify their own preemptive aggressions. This in contrast to Iran whom has never preemptively attacked nor invaded another country in the history of their current government.

            Carlos says, “Did you see the planes fly into the towers? They weren’t aimed specifically at you, they were aimed at every American. And every other Muslim attack in this country was aimed at all Americans,”

            I never met them, and doubt it was based on religious doctrine as much as political goals because we had been bombing their countries for decades prior to thtat time. The point was, I have several friends that are Muslim, met a lot of them, and they don’t want to kill me. The reality, and the propaganda do not coincide.

            Carlos says, “Nothing could be further from the truth, This country was founded on the Christian faith.”

            I didn’t say it. The founders said that the United States was not in any sense founded on the Christian religion. John Adams included.

            Carlos says, “We separated the State from any religious domination, but, that doesn’t mean our laws and constitution is not based in the faith. of God,”

            Exactly what laws and parts of the Constitution were directly based on Christianity? No Stealing? No murdering? Certainly not any of the other commandments.
            “Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.” – Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, from Monticello, February 10, 1814

            Carlos says, “You Atheist types and left wing Marxist want to believe the founding fathers were like you, not true, Washington, Jefferson were very religious, there were a couple of atheist who joined in the writing of the Constitution. Jefferson went through a period where he questioned Christ as God,.”

            Thomas Jefferson was a Deist.

            Carlos says, “This country was not founded by immigrants as you mean, the people who came here to escape the tyranny of the Church of England were very religious Protestants and so our country was started.
            They built this country so people could worship as they wanted, however, the laws and constitution are based in god. Not Mohammed or your Allah.
            If the Muslims came here for freedom, why? if their religion is so great why did they have to come here to feel free? I think many of them come here to proselytize their religion. and I still say, send them back.”

            So in one breath you say that very religious Protestants came here (but not as immigrants) to escape religious persecution from the Church of England, and in another breath ask why the Muslims come here to feel free if their religion is so great.

            They come here to escape the persecution and oppression of the same kind of radical regimes as the Church of England was.

            And yes, this is a nation of immigrants, this is not the indigenous land of the Europeans that came here.

          • Carlos

            TML, I don’t consider Islam a religion, in my mind it is more of a cult .
            In reference to what Khamenei said, The source I quoted is just as reliable and maybe more so than the left wing Washington post and Liberal sites.

            I have read considerable books on the holocaust and to discuss them openly brings lots of criticism, especially from Jewish people. I lived through that time, I met Jewish survivors in Le Havre France on their way to Israel,
            Strangely, not one of those I talked too, a few who spoke English, made any mention of the cruelty they faced.

            At that time the holocaust wasn’t a big issue, we knew there were atrocities committed by the Germans, however, this was promoted by Hollywood in their many ww2 Propaganda films

            The Jews sued the whole world for what happened. They made billions off it, We lost many of our troops in the overthrow of Germany and in the process freed the Jews left in the camps, our troops gave their life and they didn’t receive any payment in this regard. In fact the Jews sued this country, that is some corporations, ones that had dealings with Germany before.

            The Jews were responsible for Marxism and a Communist Russia, who in fact killed more people than what Hitler was accused. So there were atrocities on both side of the aisle.
            I do not side with the Zionist Jews, nor what I consider Communist Jews in this Administration, who I think pulls Barrys strings and furnish his words on the teleprompter..

            Thomas Jefferson was raised in the Anglican Church and was a faithful member all the time he was in politics. When he went to France in 1813 he lost his family and turned against religion, that is he denounced the Trinity of God, he doubted Christ’s diety, this does not mean he didn’t believe in God.

            This country was started by the Pilgrims, who were protestant and separatists. they were given permission by the Virginia Company to settle on lands they owned the King of England gave them permission to leave the Church of England. So they were immigrants to America ,

            TML says. The Muslims come here to escape radical regimes?
            They brought their radicalism with them, they still worship the same religion they call radical and the same Imams, Mosque and rugs. Their goal is to convert this country into the same radical religion with Sharia LAW they are fleeing from. No thanks.

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          • YourAntithesis

            I’m not dancing around the issue at all. I guess you and I just have different perspectives regarding what truly condemning someone or something is. Let me be as clear as possible so there is no confusion. When the Ku Klux Klan went rampant between around 90 years ago and as recently as about 50 years ago, the highest political leader in the country, the president, got the FBI involved in an effort to dismantle the KKK, with success. The majority of the citizens of this country condemned the KKK, as did the Pope and all his religious followers around the world (since the KKK was mostly anti-Catholic). As a result, the KKK, barring some small groups spawned since, was essentially dismantled. They’re no longer wreaking havoc among the citizens of this country or anywhere else around the world. I find it impossible to believe that “moderate” or “true” Muslims numbering around 1 billion throughout the world cannot do the same to the Taliban/Al Qaeda. Am I supposed to believe that because we “turned down” your offer to destroy them, that you cannot do it on your own? Until we westerners see you all do something like what was done here to squash the KKK for the sake of keeping the rest of the world from thinking badly about Christianity and terrorizing this country’s citizens (except in your case, “radical Muslims” are a threat throughout the world), then most will not differentiate between “moderates” and “radicals”. Sorry, but that’s how it is.

          • TML

            Well, your first problem is assuming that terrorism is inherently a part of Islam. It is no more a part of their religion than the terrorist attacks perpetrated by Viet Cong were an inherent part of theirs.

            I think we do have different perspectives regarding what truly condemning someone or something is, as well as different perspectives on objective facts. It is fact that most Muslims condemn terrorism. It is fact that many Imams, including Iran’s leaders, have repeatedly condemned any acts of terrorism, calling it a crime against humanity.

            YourAntithesis says, “Am I supposed to believe that because we “turned down” your offer to destroy them, that you cannot do it on your own?”

            Actually Iran has been at war with Al-Qaeda and the Taliban, and even Saddam, prior to invasions by America. And who do you think was fighting the Taliban in Afghanistan prior to that? Other Muslims.

            YourAntithesis says, “Until we westerners see you all do something like what was done here to squash the KKK for the sake of keeping the rest of the world from thinking badly about Christianity and terrorizing this country’s citizens… …then most will not differentiate between “moderates” and “radicals”. Sorry, but that’s how it is.”

            It’s sad that even when that is the case, and it’s right in front of their face, most will still not differentiate between the radical and moderate Muslims. That’s called prejudice. Your reasoning is like claiming that a person condones murder if they don’t hit the streets in massive outrage over such a crime.

            Btw, you seem to be talking to me as if I am a Muslim, so I’ll let you in on a secret; I’m a Texan American atheist.

          • YourAntithesis

            “My” first problem? Sorry to break it to you, but the only ones here with the problem is Muslims. I never said Islam is solely responsible for terrorism. As a proud San Antonio, Texas Christian myself, I am well-versed in the goings-on regarding terrorist-type attacks even amongst Christians themselves (Protestant-Catholic wars that slowly seem to have all but died out in Ireland, for example). Islam’s problem is the onus is on it to prove theirs is not the religion most closely related to terrorism in this day and age, not to mention on such a grand scale. You said it yourself, Muslims are fighting each other in the Middle East, and they have been for decades (centuries, actually, but there are those that will try to say that particular war is between Jews and Muslims). People throughout the world are more afraid of “radical Islamists” than any other religious faction in the world, it’s not just a U.S. thing. In Myanmar, Muslims are crying foul, talking about how Buddhists (quite possibly the most peaceful religion out there, speaking historically) are trying to ethnically cleanse that region by wiping out Muslims. Buddhists, on the other hand, are saying their attacks are retaliation for many previous Muslim attacks. Who do you think the world is going to believe, especially when it was recently brought to light that Kalik Sheik Mohamed (or however that turd’s name is spelled) bragged about how his “holy right hand” beheaded “American Jew Daniel Pearl”? Religion of peace? Good luck with that. Oh, and your analogy about people not hitting the streets because of murder being the same as accepting it is deeply flawed. There is the system of law in the United States, and as long as the perpetrator of any crime is found, the law does it’s job. And if you absolutely needed me to, I can easily put up a couple dozen links to people protesting when there are murders, rapes, kidnappings, etc. and the people feel as though law officials aren’t doing their job well enough (stuff like this is primarily responsible for Katie’s Law, Amber Alerts, etc.), but I’d rather not derail this conversation completely off topic.

          • TML

            YourAntithesis says, “I never said Islam is solely responsible for terrorism. As a proud San Antonio, Texas Christian myself, I am well-versed in the goings-on regarding terrorist-type attacks even amongst Christians themselves (Protestant-Catholic wars that slowly seem to have all but died out in Ireland, for example). Islam’s problem is the onus is on it to prove theirs is not the religion most closely related to terrorism in this day and age, not to mention on such a grand scale.”

            Then you’re just putting the cart before the horse it seems. Terrorism has nothing to do with religion, as I tried to point out, it is politically driven; often times by desperate people as their only means of fighting a much stronger opponent. Even the United States engages in terrorism (drone attacks that kill more civilians than targets), despite claiming a war on terror. One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter.

            YourAntithesis says, “People throughout the world are more afraid of “radical Islamists” than any other religious faction in the world, it’s not just a U.S. thing.”

            Indeed, even other Muslims are afraid of the “radical Islamists”. Therefore it seems very dubious to intently claim no differentiation between “moderates” and “radicals”; claiming they are all radicals, is simply false, especially when there have indeed been outrage expressed by Muslims throughout the world against terrorism. Even according the recent Pew Research Reports, the majority of Muslims feel that terrorism is never justified.

            You can continue to dismiss the evidence, and even dismiss the acts of caring and kindness they have done during the Boston Bombing and 9/11, and claim “nope not good enough”, but you would be intellectually dishonest.

            http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2012/09/does-not-represent-us-moving-photos-pro-american-rallies-libya/56803/
            http://www.asianews.it/news-en/In-Egypt,-millions-of-Christians-and-Muslims-to-protest-against-terrorism-28582.html
            http://muslimsagainstterror.com/

            Strangely enough, the US and other so-called human rights advocates remain silent on the massacre of innocents in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, and Syria, and most importantly Palestine, but you intend to make no differentiation between moderate Muslims and radical Muslims because you claim they don’t express outrage on a global scale concerning a bomb in Boston that kills 3 people. There’s something very wrong with that position.

          • YourAntithesis

            Listen, you can keep putting up as many links as you want to try to get people to become bleeding hearts to this religion which I have zero respect for if you want, but the bottom line is we’re having this discussion based off this article; an article that points out that Islam sees no difference between Christians, Jews, and your ilk, atheists, as all being infidels and enemies of allah (according to the author, which you will undoubtedly label an “extremist”, that’s what “true Muslims” should feel and think, by the way). Do you even realize that this means that ultimately they mean to rid the world of us? Did you honestly think that me reading a few articles about some low man on the Islamic totem pole saying it’s wrong what they do or holding candlelight vigils was going to be enough to convince me or anyone else that Islam is the religion of peace, considering they also recently went through Syria and forced Christians to convert to Islam or be beheaded? But hey, according to you, it’s all a political statement and they’re not terrorists but freedom fighters. Congratulations, you’ve just further opened my eyes as to what many here see: a religion not worthy of the benefit of the doubt, which should be viewed as suspicious even if that makes me prejudiced. I don’t even care, because when forced to make the call, I would refuse to denounce my faith and yes, Christianity is superior to Islam when it comes to practicing what it preaches. What does it tell you when I just made this statement and most Muslims would want me dead for doing so? Hey, here’s a thought: urinate on the Koran in the middle of Pakistan and see what the result is; see how many of these Muslims are “moderates”. You would literally be torn apart limb from limb, whereas when some schmuck puts a crucifix in a urine-filled jar and labels it “art”, most Christians just label it blasphemy and disapprove, but we’re not going to drag that person from their home and publicly decapitate him/her. There is a HUGE difference between the Old Testament, where God commanded war in His name, and the New Testament, where peace is the message since the shedding of the Blood of the Lamb. The difference between the Koran and the Bible is, the Koran still commands the barbaric nonsense that goes on in the Middle East known as Shari’a law, where a woman that is sexually assaulted not only asked for it, but should be stoned to death and yes, everything it says about you and me (the infidels), is true. Nothing would make them happier than to see us wiped off the face of the earth. But hey, google your little heart away and fight the good fight for Islam, knowing they would cut your head clean off if they knew you were anything but a Muslim in their land; an atheist living in the Middle East.

          • TML

            Then you are still making the mistake of believing that some low man on the totem (Al-Qaeda) speaks for all Muslims; they do not. Neither do they speak for the religion as a whole, as I’ve shown many Muslims do not even refer to Al-Qaeda (part of those extreme radicals in Syria you mentioned) and the Taliban as true Muslims. You initially said, “Where were the “moderate” Muslims denouncing the Boston Bombers? … … the truth is when moderates of any faction… …do not come out and say that the radicals are wrong in doing what they do and condemn their actions, people will see them all as the same.”. Well, I just showed you how they have, and you now blatantly dismiss it. As I said, you’re being intellectually dishonest, but I guess that’s to be expected from a self-proclaimed Christian.

            YourAntithesis says, “Do you even realize that this means that ultimately they mean to rid the world of us?”

            LoL! That’s as much crap as the Christians being bent on the same.

            YourAntithesis says, “But hey, according to you, it’s all a political statement and they’re not terrorists but freedom fighters. Congratulations, you’ve just further opened my eyes as to what many here see: a religion not worthy of the benefit of the doubt, which should be viewed as suspicious even if that makes me prejudiced.”

            A lot of it is political yes, but I don’t see how that translates to “further opening your eyes” to the prejudice of a religion. Terrorism literally means, “the use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.”. Naturally however, religious people often cling to their religion, but that doesn’t mean it is commanded by their religion.

            YourAntithesis says, “I don’t even care, because when forced to make the call, I would refuse to denounce my faith and yes, Christianity is superior to Islam when it comes to practicing what it preaches.”

            Oh yes, the supposed Christian Nation that was the first to use a nuclear bomb on entire cities, not to mention the imperialist invasion and deaths of countless innocent Arabs. No, Christianity is not superior to Islam… all religions are just a bad as the next, and it’s that superiority complex that fuels a clash of civilizations. No one is going to force you to denounce your religion any more than the Christian Missionaries try to force Muslims to denounce theirs.

            YourAntithesis says, “What does it tell you when I just made this statement and most Muslims would want me dead for doing so?”

            It tells me you don’t know what you’re talking about. I have several Muslims friends that would laugh their asses off at such statements.

            YourAntithesis says, “Hey, here’s a thought: urinate on the Koran in the middle of Pakistan and see what the result is; see how many of these Muslims are “moderates”.”

            Hey, here’s a thought: walk into Harlem carrying a sign that says I hate n*ggers and see how many are moderates. Don’t be ridiculous.

            YourAntithesis says, “You would literally be torn apart limb from limb, whereas when some schmuck puts a crucifix in a urine-filled jar and labels it “art”, most Christians just label it blasphemy and disapprove, but we’re not going to drag that person from their home and publicly decapitate him/her.”

            Wasn’t that long ago that people were burned at the stake for much less offenses. That’s why we have a separation of church and state.

            YourAntithesis says, “There is a HUGE difference between the Old Testament, where God commanded war in His name, and the New Testament, where peace is the message since the shedding of the Blood of the Lamb.”

            Luke 19:27 “But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me”

            Matthew 10:34 “Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.”

            YourAntithesis says, “The difference between the Koran and the Bible is, the Koran still commands the barbaric nonsense that goes on in the Middle East known as Shari’a law, where a woman that is sexually assaulted not only asked for it, but should be stoned to death and yes, everything it says about you and me (the infidels), is true.”

            There is no such punishment of stoning written in the Quran. You’re regurgitating lies, because you’ve never read it. The bible however, does command stoning as a punishment, along with killing non-believers or those that worship other gods.

            YourAntithesis says, “Nothing would make them happier than to see us wiped off the face of the earth. But hey, google your little heart away and fight the good fight for Islam, knowing they would cut your head clean off if they knew you were anything but a Muslim in their land; an atheist living in the Middle East.”

            You are absolutely stone cold nuts paranoid. You listen to too much propaganda. But you’re a typical Christian in your views of Islam though.

          • YourAntithesis

            I honestly didn’t even read through all your drivel, and the reason is simple. I was going to put up a link that made my stomach turn, but when I scrolled down to see if just by chance you had already posted in that thread, sure enough, you had. The more you post, the more it seems as though you’re not an atheist but a Muslim.

            Anyone that would argue for a religion that is alright with this:

            “A man can have sex with animals such as sheep, cows, camels and so on. However he should kill the animal after he has his orgasm. He should not sell the meat to the people in his own village, however selling the meat to the next door village should be fine.”

            And this:

            “A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However, he should not penetrate vaginally, but sodomising [sic] the child is acceptable. If a man does penetrate and damage the child then, he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl will not count as one of his four permanent wives and the man will not be eligible to marry the girl’s sister… It is better for a girl to marry at such a time when she would begin menstruation at her husband’s house, rather than her father’s home. Any father marrying his daughter so young will have a permanent place in heaven.”

            And this gem right here:

            “The House of Saud has a 70-year relationship with the United States and has been a major provider of petroleum to the free world. Without a doubt, Saudi oil helped build modern Western societies; and the Kingdom has been a stabilizing force in the Mideast. Yet Saudi Arabians do not have the liberties we take for granted, and they live in a society we would never tolerate. One incident that illustrates my point was a fire at a girls’ school in Mecca on March 11, 2002.

            As the smoke billowed and flames spread, students and teachers began to run for the exits. There was just one problem; the school was patrolled on the outside by the Saudi religious police who were responsible for “educating” females in the Kingdom. The zealots had a serious problem: The girls and women fleeing didn’t have the good sense to cover themselves from head to toe before rushing out.

            According to eyewitnesses some of the “holy ones” beat the girls to force them back into the school so they could retrieve their full gowns, some of which were probably already on fire. Then they blocked the doors. Then firefighters arrived and began to help some of the students and teachers escape. So what did the religious police do? They started beating up the firefighters. The same treatment was given to parents who arrived to help free their children from the flames. The teachers did the best they could; but when it was all over, there were 15 dead and 50 others badly injured.”

            …is messed up in the head. Save your garbage for anyone that can be brainwashed into believing that pedophilia and bestiality is not that big a deal. Seriously, don’t even respond because I’m just deleting any email notification I get saying you responded. Disgusting stuff that you’re defending there.

          • TML

            YourAntithesis says, “I honestly didn’t even read through all your drivel, and the reason is simple. I was going to put up a link that made my stomach turn, but when I scrolled down to see if just by chance you had already posted in that thread, sure enough, you had. The more you post, the more it seems as though you’re not an atheist but a Muslim.”

            I my gosh, now I’m a Muslim, lol….
            So your reason for not reading my comments is because I already posted? There’s a real gem of logic.

            YourAntithesis says, “Anyone that would argue for a religion that is alright with this:”

            Oh my, written by none other than the Muslim bashing bigot, John Myers, lol

            The first part I already debunked in this thread – http://personalliberty.com/2013/10/02/what-is-obamas-real-agenda-with-islam-and-iran/

            As I pointed out that the sources in the Wikipedia link where he got that were not credible. Those sources being, “Straight Dope Message Board” and “Yahoo Answers”, and further pointed out that the proper translation was incorrect, and that it does not condone pedophilia, or bestiality.

            Of course, no one would condone such things or defend such things, not even a Muslim cleric.

            The second part concerning the story of the girls was a story covered by the outrage of other Muslims in the Saudi newspaper. Nayef, at the time, stated that the deaths didn’t happen as a result of the fire, but rather the stampede caused by the panic. He acknowledged the presence of two mutaween and that they went there to prevent “mistreatment” of the girls. He asserted that they didn’t interfere with the rescue efforts and only arrived after everyone had left the building. The inquiry found that the clerics had ignored warnings that overcrowding of the school could cause a fatal stampede. It also found that there was a lack of fire extinguishers and alarms in the building. Accordingly, the cleric in charge of the school was fired, and his office was merged with the Ministry of Education.

            YourAntithesis says, “…is messed up in the head. Save your garbage for anyone that can be brainwashed into believing that pedophilia and bestiality is not that big a deal. Seriously, don’t even respond because I’m just deleting any email notification I get saying you responded. Disgusting stuff that you’re defending there.”

            No one is saying that pedophilia and bestiality is not a big deal, nor defending it. I’m debunking your claims which are born out of mere prejudice; not facts. And even if the story was true as claimed, it in no way translates to all Muslims, and amounts to a single religious nut job no different than a Christian could be.

            If you expect to be able to spill lies, half truths, and promote religious hate and prejudice, and then claim anyone who debunks your garbage is defending pedophilia, bestiality, or crimes committed by religious nut jobs, then you are devoid of all logic.

            It’s ok, I’m rather tired of your circular reasoning.

            Good day

  • Carlos

    It’s hard for me to believe there are peace loving Muslims. It is my contention , anyone who believes in the Qur’an as all Muslims do, then one is as guilty for their atrocious crimes as the other. There are different sects, however, they all read the same book. This religion preys on ignorance and fairy tales.

    What’s more disturbing is the fact we have a president sitting in the White House patronizing the Muslims and no doubt in my mind he is one of them.
    In a few years the Muslims will be a formable voting block, The Nation of Islam has a large following in the black race and you can see how they effect our politics now and this growing by the day.
    Barry is accelerating .the Muslim movement throughout the world, you only have to look at who he is supporting in the middle east. (Muslim Brotherhood) and we set back and watch him attempt to arm this insidious movement in Egypt with Tanks, planes and billions of dollars. attempting to pull us into war to assist the Brotherhood and Al Qaeda to take over Syria. Where is the Republican Congress?
    .

    • ibn insha

      I don’t think making a claim against something without knowledge of that thing is sign of wisdom. If you want to understand a religion read the holy book of that religion. Very often the people of a faith act opposite of the teachings of their faith. If you want to understand Islam read Quran. Muslims read Quran in Arabic yet only 10% of the Muslims’ language is Arabic. These Muslims rely on Imams of the mosques for interpretation of Quran. The only study of Islam these Imams have done is to learn the interpretation of Quran from other Imams. Thus the ignorance is passed from generation to generation.

      • Carlos

        Insha, I have read parts of the Qur’an along with the Jewish Talmud, some parts of these books are comparable, each preach the dominance of their religion and death to the infidel or goyum.

        (gentiles) Of course most Jews say they don’t believe this part of their Talmud and the Muslims say the same about their belief.which states : off with the head of non believers if they fail to convert.(in so many words) Also, what kind of a religion would advocate strapping a bomb an an adult or child and blowing up innocent people over their contrary belief.

        You can defend these people all you want, but, they can go back to the sand dunes, this country doesn’t need this ignorance.

        Their goal is Sharia law and Barry would be very happy to install it in this country. pure unadulterated ignorance.

        We have enough crack pot religions, however, I don’t know any of them wanting to over throw the government.and force you into a slave like religion. Stay in the sand dunes and enjoy herding the goats.

    • TML

      Carlos says, “It’s hard for me to believe there are peace loving Muslims. It is my contention , anyone who believes in the Qur’an as all Muslims do, then one is as guilty for their atrocious crimes as the other. There are different sects, however, they all read the same book. This religion preys on ignorance and fairy tales.”

      By that logic, it should be hard to believe there are peace loving Christians and Jews because of what’s written in the canonized old and new testaments.

      Carlos says, “In a few years the Muslims will be a formable voting block, The Nation of Islam has a large following in the black race and you can see how they effect our politics now and this growing by the day.”

      Muslims make up 1% of the black population in the US (which makes up only 12.6% of the total American population). 72% of the American population is white.

      Carlos says, “Barry is accelerating .the Muslim movement throughout the world, you only have to look at who he is supporting in the middle east. (Muslim Brotherhood) and we set back and watch him attempt to arm this insidious movement in Egypt with Tanks, planes and billions of dollars. attempting to pull us into war to assist the Brotherhood and Al Qaeda to take over Syria.”

      The US also armed and trained the Taliban and Al-Qaeda, including Saddam, and Reagan wasn’t a Muslim.

      It’s just the typical failed imperialist policy of intervention that has remained the same regardless of who holds the office of President.

      • Carlos

        TML, First off, I don’t believe the figure of black Muslims at 1%, and I think your estimate of the black population at 12.8 is entirely fictitious , The US, Census is not accurate and hasn’t been for years,

        The Census takers will not go into the black areas since it was so dangerous. They only estimate.

        We have had an incursion of blacks from the Caribbean and African countries since the sixties.so we have a large illegal; black population. Have you visited any of the large cities lately? if so, put on your bullet proof vest and travel thru the black areas and see if you believe they are 12% of the population.

        The Nation of Islam has been attractive to many blacks and I have heard estimates running up to 60% amongst American blacks. The incarcerated blacks are recruited by Muslims and are turning from the Christian belief.

        I would say the number of blacks in the U.S. is closer to 30%

        and the whites are certainly not 72%, closer to 50%

        Your reference to the Christians and Jews in the Bible. Christ never taught war, however, the Catholic Religion has had it’s day in an attempt to force it’s religion on the world. The Protestant Christians don’t other than peaceful proselytizing .

        Either way neither hold a candle to Islam, who have been warring since being created by a goat herder, They are a ruthless, barbaric ignorant people.

        Your remarks about the Taliban and Irag being armed by the U.S. are true, however, the Taliban was armed to fight the Communist army of Russia an Saddam was armed to fight Iran who thanks to Jimmy Carter turned an Ally into an enemy.

        Reagan was right.

        Barry is trying to assist an Enemy of this country, one who has designs on future conquest leading to the overthrow of our liberty. Thanks to our Muslim president.
        This country is not an imperialist nation, however, when we elect people like Carter and Barry, their ignorance of world

        politics can lead us into what looks like imperialism.

        Maybe you should revisit history, if you can find a history book that hasn’t been rewrote by the current liberal faction,
        Check out why we helped install the Shah of Iran. Oil, not imperialism.

        • TML

          Carlos says, “TML, First off, I don’t believe the figure of black Muslims at 1%, and I think your estimate of the black population at 12.8 is entirely fictitious, The US, Census is not accurate and hasn’t been for years,
          The Census takers will not go into the black areas since it was so dangerous. They only estimate.
          We have had an incursion of blacks from the Caribbean and African countries since the sixties.so we have a large illegal; black population. Have you visited any of the large cities lately? if so, put on your bullet proof vest and travel thru the black areas and see if you believe they are 12% of the population.
          The Nation of Islam has been attractive to many blacks and I have heard estimates running up to 60% amongst American blacks. The incarcerated blacks are recruited by Muslims and are turning from the Christian belief.
          I would say the number of blacks in the U.S. is closer to 30%
          and the whites are certainly not 72%, closer to 50%”

          So, you dismiss the US Census (which I cited) and guess at your own numbers through pure (paranoid) conjecture. The US Census states 12.6 (38,929,319) blacks, and approx. 1% of them Muslims (which is just under 400,000 – in contrast, there are only 400,000 Muslims in Texas, and most of them are of Middle Eastern decent). Pew Research Center estimates a total 2.5 million Muslims in America (.8% of the total population – .2% of the world Muslim population). And can you tell me how you come up with 50% white as opposed to 72%? I suppose you can make up numbers all day to suit your argument, but I’m afraid I’ll stick to the facts.

          Carlos says, “Your reference to the Christians and Jews in the Bible. Christ never taught war, however, the Catholic Religion has had it’s day in an attempt to force it’s religion on the world. The Protestant Christians don’t other than peaceful proselytizing. Either way neither hold a candle to Islam, who have been warring since being created by a goat herder, They are a ruthless, barbaric ignorant people.”

          “But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.” – Luke 19:27

          “Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.” – Matthew 10:34

          I think you need to read the New Testament again.

          All religions are the same. Christianity has been involved in religious war for nearly 2000 years; they’ve led the Crusades (which continues to this day apparently, and supported by you), inquisitions, progroms, and imperialistic conquests. The Catholics and “peaceful” Protestants have been killing each other for centuries (much like Sunni’s and Shia’s), and even the creation of the nuclear bomb was blessed by a Christian minister, while the supposed Christian nation of America were the first and only to use it. And lets not forget that is was the self-proclaimed Christian, Bush Jr., who said God told him to invade Iraq.

          If it were not for the separation of church and state the Christians would have this land a theocracy just the same – they try constantly to create laws based on their religious beliefs. Jews, Christians, Muslims; they are all ruthless, barbaric, ignorant people that feed the violence of each other.

          Carlos says, “Your remarks about the Taliban and Irag being armed by the U.S. are true, however, the Taliban was armed to fight the Communist army of Russia an Saddam was armed to fight Iran who thanks to Jimmy Carter turned an Ally into an enemy.
          Reagan was right.”

          What you just described, and show support for, is the definition of imperialist foreign policy – hegemony.

          Carlos says, This country is not an imperialist nation, however, when we elect people like Carter and Barry, their ignorance of world
          politics can lead us into what looks like imperialism.”

          The same policy that Reagan had did. Reagan was not ‘right’ to hold the same policies that you ridicule Carter and Obama for. Apparently, ignorance is not limited to religious people.

          Carlos says, “Maybe you should revisit history, if you can find a history book that hasn’t been rewrote by the current liberal faction,
          Check out why we helped install the Shah of Iran. Oil, not imperialism.”

          I know the history very well actually…. And there is no other rightful word to describe such foreign policy, which has remained the same regardless of what party holds the Oval office. Even Hitchen’s defines (and argues quite well) American foreign policy as imperialist intervention and hegemony. Wanting control of Iran’s oil, and orchestrating a coup of a democratically elected leader in order to get it, by reinstalling a ruthless dictator – arming and training Muslim radicals to fight Communism half the world away – arming a ruthless dictator to fight against Iran while turning a blind eye to their use of Chemical weapons – that IS imperialism. Imperialism with the goal of world domination. That’s right, that is obviously America’s goal.

          • Carlos

            TML,

            the fact is the Census bureau did not take a personal audit of each individual in the black ghetto’s in parts of this country. They admit to missing 1.5, blacks. how do they arrive at that number, could it possibly be an estimate?

            The U.S. News and World Report published an article on the Watts riot in Sept. 1965 where they stated the Census Takers would not go in certain ares of the black communities because of the danger to the census takers, they made estimates.

            Your implication the Catholics and Protestants fought each other, this is true, the Protestants were just that, they did not want to be ruled by the Pope, so they were fighting for their religious freedom, not to gain rule over people, they were not trying to rule Catholic people.
            The Catholic Church has a long history of domination by force.
            Even with all this, the Catholics and Protestant movements don;t compare with the cruel domination of Islam over the years.

            You leave out one important factor in reference to the Shah, he replaced Mossadeq with the help of our CIA.
            and was appointed Prime Minister by the Shah.

            The Shah later disposed of him and no doubt with our encouragement. Mossadeq was leaning towards Communism and in those years the U.S was fighting Communism, or I guess you would refer to it as U.S.imperrialism..

            The Shah was our top Ally and was at one time a very successful leader and Irans economy was booming, This was due to oil. The U.S. developed the fields and paid Iran a royalty , This is a little different than Imperialism. To compare, we also at this time developed European economies, I don’t hear the left calling that Imperialism.
            Jimmy Carter was sympathetic to the overthrow of the Shah , Carter complained about Civil rights abuses and wanted the Shah to reach out to dissidents and stop what we called the secret police from enforcing the laws of the country on these groups.
            This is typical Liberal .” Civil Rights” the trojan horse of Communism.

            Your reference to Luke 19:27 confounds me, I apparently read over it. It doesn’t sound like something Christ would say, in my opinion

  • Chris

    I’m reading these comments and that’s right…………if they are supposed to “stay away from infidels”, what the hell are they doing in this and other non-muslim countries?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? THAT, to “me”, is NOT “staying away”. Let them stay in their own muslim countries where they belong. I’m sick of this crap, so you muslims, door-banging jehovahs, etc., out there can keep your religion to yourselves and let everyone “else” CHOOSE the religion (if ANY) that “they” want to follow…………and everyone should be allowed to live in peace with WHATEVER religion they choose. How “arrogant” to say one’s religion is the “right” one.

    • Vis Fac

      Simple they want to infiltrate and like a cancer spread. Why else do you think they have so many wives and children? Once Muslims reach 20% then they start making all sorts of demands and of course liberals give in it’s not like anything they give away is theirs.

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est
      Semper-Fi

  • ireAmerica

    Abdul Samad is merely restating points of Islamic doctrine from the Koran. Not radicalism or apocryphal wing-nuttery, DOCTRINE.

    Remember that the founder of Islam (eternal torment be upon him) led over 80 documented unprovoked military raids, including persecution of Christians and Jews in Jerusalem (in 637AD). And that same founder of Islam (eternal torment be upon him) himself declared “I am made victorious through terror”.

    Moslems can only mouth phoney peace while they are doing civilization-jihad or taqiyya in service of Islamic domination. Get a clue, read a Koran.

  • mike

    maybe its time to start playing cowboys and muslims this was how America came to be and I suppose it could happen again ,and why does the moderate mslims keep quiet regarding the violence of these radicle muslims ,is I because they are all the same ,like dogs different colors and shapes but all bark the same??all I know is when my life and way are really threatened look out the trouble really starts and I will defend my family and lifestyle and way of thinking so beware anyone who comes toward me with malicious intent