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Aiming For Failure

January 22, 2013 by  

Aiming For Failure
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Flanked by children and their parents, President Barack Obama signed executive orders to control gun violence.

Last week, while America was reeling from President Barack Obama and his Democratic accomplices’ increasingly ugly war on the Bill of Rights, one of Obama’s ugliest cheerleaders — Obama 2012 campaign manager Jim Messina — sent an email to the Democratic horde. Messina is the dough-faced creep who starred in the “For All” meme which, I presume, was intended to frighten parents into voting for Obama in exchange for people like Messina staying away from their children. Given his history, I would have guessed most of Messina’s emails concern cats dressed up like people or the best places to meet unattended kids. However, this one addressed the recent Democratic attempts to divert attention away from Obama’s exploitation of children to sell his new plan to disarm law-abiding Americans.

In the electronic missive in question, Messina wrote:

Friend — Yesterday, President Obama announced his plan to protect our children and our communities by helping reduce gun violence. We won’t stop every violent act like the one in Newtown, Connecticut.

Just a month after the Newtown massacre, which occurred despite precisely the sort of firearm restrictions Obama wants to impose upon the rest of us, and just days after Obama signed his oath- and Constitution-violating executive orders (behind a wall of yet more defenseless tots), one of his top lieutenants admitted that Obama’s plan is about as likely to work as a sizable number of his voters. Rats! And here I was so excited about the prospects of an America free from the specter of crazy people who do crazy things. It’s a bit of a shame that the Obama Administration doesn’t seem to share my enthusiasm.

But wait. If it’s already acknowledging that Obama’s grand gun-grab gambit screams “Epic fail!” as loudly as Joe Biden debating anything smarter than my Labrador retriever (who still gets good odds), then what was the point of the exercise? In an effort to stop so-called “gun violence,” Obama came up with a program that not only won’t work, but has split the Nation like a wishbone. Who else is glad to know these clowns are on the case? Pardon me for daring to question his Imperial Highness, but if you know your plan is nothing more than a thinly disguised abrogation of the Bill of Rights and will be as effective in stopping so-called “gun violence” as an Atlanta sports team is in winning when it counts, then you need to run a different play.

Obama’s minions got away with Operation Fast and Furious. They got away with Benghazi, Libya. They got away with Solyndra, “Government” Motors and the host of scandals and crimes that have defined Obama’s tenure. I remain aghast that none of Obama’s retinue of circus freaks and goose-stepper wannabes will spend the next 10 to 15 years living out Messina’s secret fantasies in the shower room at Leavenworth. But did they really think they would get away with a frontal assault on a group of people who not only recognize the authority of the Constitution, but are willing to defend it by precisely the means it affords them? What’s more, Obama’s attempts to implement his fascist vision have backfired. Gun sales have leapt into the stratosphere. Some magazine manufacturers have suspended the acceptance of new orders in order to deal with a mounting backlog.

Obama took national heartbreak and tried to exploit it — and any unattended children within reach — into a blitz on the Bill of Rights. As usual, his nefarious plan blew up in his face. He’ll survive this latest blunder; his arrogance and the blind obedience required of all liberals providing him with a shield. But his constant barrage of lies, failures and outright disgraces will eventually exact a toll. Of course, the Democrats won’t pay it; they’ll bill it to us. I can’t speak for the rest of you, but I’m all tapped out. All I have left are my freedom and my firearms. I’d recommend they avoid sending Messina to my door to collect.

–Ben Crystal

Ben Crystal

is a 1993 graduate of Davidson College and has burned the better part of the last two decades getting over the damage done by modern-day higher education. He now lives in Savannah, Ga., where he has hosted an award-winning radio talk show and been featured as a political analyst for television. Currently a principal at Saltymoss Productions—a media company specializing in concept television and campaign production, speechwriting and media strategy—Ben has written numerous articles on the subjects of municipal authoritarianism, the economic fallacy of sin taxes and analyses of congressional abuses of power.

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  • Jeremy Leochner

    Mr. Crystal

    1: I agree with you that Obama was wrong for using children as props.

    2: Obama is not trying to disarm law abiding Americans. He is trying to prevent those with criminal records or mental illness from getting guns.

    3: The proposals Obama is making were not in place before the Newtown shooting. Whether they would have stopped it is impossible to know. But I would agree that unless these measures had been in place long before the shooting they would have still had little impact.

    4: These ideas are not about stopping gun violence. There is no way to stop gun violence. Stopping gun violence is like stopping violence itself. It can never be stopped completely. That’s not what these ideas are about. They are about addressing a pervasive problem in our country. One which in recent years has become more common it seems. And that problem is connected to the overall issue of gun violence in our country.

    5: Obama and his “minions” didn’t get away with anything. They were taken to task and rightfully criticised for their blundering in Fast and Furious.

    6: Its not fascist to place any limits at all on peoples access to guns or to have any regulations in regards to selling weapons. Fascism is taking away all rights and destroying the right to keep and bear arms. I think you are confusing Fascism with not always getting everything you want.

    7: “Some magazine manufacturers have suspended the acceptance of new orders in order to deal with a mounting backlog.” The people fearful of a gun grab have become self fulfilling prophets just like they did in 2008 when gun sales went through the roof due to the fear of Obama taking away peoples guns. And as we all know those fears turned out to be misguided.

    8: Obama did not exploit a tragedy. He addressed it. He is trying to respond and prevent another such tragedy. At the same time he is recognizing the more pervasive problem of gun violence and gun dependence which is connected with school shootings. He is trying to address that problem as well.

    9: Liberals are not required to be blindly obedient. If they were they would be loyal to the President without condition and condone and support everything he does. I am a liberal. Yet I am far from obedient to Obama. My loyalty and obedience is to the Republic.

    10: “All I have left are my freedom and my firearms.” So what exactly has been taken from you Mr. Crystal. If you still have your freedom and firearms you sound okay.

    • Vicki

      “2: Obama is not trying to disarm law abiding Americans. He is trying to prevent those with criminal records or mental illness from getting guns.”

      And we have told YOU before exactly the ONLY way to come close to accomplishing that goal. Nothing in obama’s speech touches on that way. EVERYTHING in that speech PUNISHES the INNOCENT and treats them like THEY are the criminals.

      ~ 300 MILLION AMERICANS DIDN’T SHOOT ANYONE.

      STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT

      STOP IT
      STOP IT NOW.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Vicki demonstrates one of her four sentence “types” for us with this statement,

        “And we have told YOU before exactly the ONLY way to come close to accomplishing that goal. Nothing in obama’s speech touches on that way. EVERYTHING in that speech PUNISHES the INNOCENT and treats them like THEY are the criminals”.

        That is a classic “imperious” type sentence for sure—notice how she TELLS us (exactly), and capitalizes words for EMFAZIZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

        Pardon me—I nodded off for a bit because I glanced down and saw that sleep-inducing “300 AMERICANS” horsepucky yet AGAIN—-so trite, so boring, so meaningless to all but those who live by slogans.

        But wait! The chanting of slogans is something that has proven to be a good tool to influence and CONTROL (see that, JAY?) the mindless. As in SEIG HEIL!! So, maybe I should say “Good job, Vicki”—-her bosses as Shills-n-Trolls-r-Us will be pleased, I’m sure.

        Vicki also builds in elements of the other sentences—-obfuscative, deflectative, and evasivatory, particularly the first two. Thanks for another lesson, Vicki!

        ~ 300 MILLION AMERICANS DIDN’T ASK TO BE BRAINWASHED WITH SLOGANS.

        STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT

        STOP IT
        STOP IT NOW.

        (The duck and I beg you—and await a reply that is more than flirting)

      • Steve E

        RBT. And your point is?

      • eddie47d

        Sorry Vickie this issue isn’t going to be shoved under the rug as you hopefully wish it to be. Instead of addressing the problems you do as you have always done. Buy more guns and skirt the seriousness of it all. If all the NRA can come up with is blaming it on mental problems then all that proves is that they are the problem. Some of us want everything laid out and more responsibility taken from all sides. Including weapons dealers,gun owners,video makers,school administrations,psychologists,parental guidance and so forth. I suppose it could be said that most of those millions of kids and adults who play video games are not evil people just as you like to say that millions of gun owners have done nothing wrong. Yet video makers keep producing more extreme and violent games such as Kindergarten Killers. The users think nothing of the carnage in those videos just like there are a few gun owners who think nothing of the carnage that comes from their products. Neither entity sees any evil that is spawned and if we keep turning a blind eye to it all as proven in the past and these events will keep happening.

      • Bill

        And don’t forget that Eddie said that we should give up our guns because we owe the Chinese money.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Steve E says: “RBT. And your point is?”

        It obviously went WAY over your head the first time and I’m not going to reword it in “simpler” terms. Get someone to explain it to you that can understand it—-like the average 10th. grader.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        eddie’s comments have caused me to think of a new slogan for Vicki to chant.

        THE ~86 MILLION AMERICANS WHO PLAY VIOLENT VIDEO GAMES DIDN’T REALLY SHOOT ANYONE TODAY BECAUSE THEIR GUNS ARE NOT REAL.

        STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT

        STOP IT
        STOP IT NOW.

        But wait, isn’t Vicki AGAINST violent video games because they make people kill people? So she wouldn’t chant this for us? I get so confused sometimes. Maybe Vicki could explain things to me but she’s apparently hiding from me again.

      • Bill

        Right Brain Thinkers points are that you should give up your guns because Obama said so.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        What Bill really says to us here is, “I can twist ANYTHING into anti-O’Bama horsepucky”
        (Or maybe he’s making a joke?—-hard to tell whether some folks are being dead serious or kidding because some folk’s “dead serious” IS a joke in the rational world)

      • eddie47d

        You also have BILL pegged for I never said that about the Chinese. He is also a repetitive liar and a very poor one at that!

      • Bill

        Heres your quote, Eddie
        “Maybe China has a right to be nervous with our debt increasing and that they may not get paid back. Considering all the gun deaths in America they may also be concerned about fewer Americans will be there to help pay off that debt. aka: You can’t squeeze blood out of a dead turnip.”

        So, what does everyone else think of Eddies quote

      • Kate8

        Vicki – I posted this yesterday, and I’m posting it again because of its stunning insight into what is really afoot with gun control.

        If you want to take people out, they have to be guilty of a crime. If you don’t have enough criminals, you have to make more things illegal. It’s ALWAYS done this way.

        “Did you really think we want those laws observed?” said Dr. Ferris. “We want them to be broken. You’d better get it straight that it’s not a bunch of boy scouts you’re up against… We’re after power and we mean it… There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What’s there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that’s the system, Mr. Reardon, that’s the game, and once you understand it, you’ll be much easier to deal with.” -Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged

        We are wholly failing to grasp the real agenda here.

        Whole article (truly enlightening):

        http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/52426

      • Jeremy Leochner

        Vicki all you have ever told me is we either lock them up or arm people. Neither of those ideas is good enough for me.

      • Vicki

        Right Brain Thinker attempts to and says:
        “Vicki also builds in elements of the other sentences—-obfuscative, deflectative, and evasivatory, particularly the first two. Thanks for another lesson, Vicki!

        ~ 300 MILLION AMERICANS DIDN’T ASK TO BE BRAINWASHED WITH SLOGANS.”

        You’re more then welcome RBT. And you are quite right they didn’t. So tell me, if you will, why do anti-gun people constantly try to brainwash people with slogans?

        “it’s time to end the madness”
        “common sense gun control”
        “sensible gun laws save lives”
        “assault weapon”
        “assault type weapon”
        “gun control” (meaning laws not proper gun handling)
        “stop gun violence”
        “a rape can last 30 sec but a murder lasts forever” (Brady campaign poster)
        “if it saves just one life” (this one actually works both ways)
        “Guns don’t kill people, people who LIKE guns kill people”
        “All we ask for is registration, just like we do for cars.”
        “Why do you need [ ]” (fillin the blank with whatever key words needed)
        “When personal freedom is being abused, you have to move to limit it.” (President Clinton)
        “Now its up to us” (President obama on gun control)

        Here are some more slogans (both sides)

        http://www.quotecounterquote.com/2011/03/guns-dont-kill-people-people-kill.html

      • http://yahoo.com hangman

        Vicky, I agree with you. Right brain thinker, however, shows he has no brain at all.
        Wonder if he wants in on the Choom gang? This is your brain, this is your brain on —whatever he and Barry smoke.

      • Vicki

        Eddie47d writes:
        “I suppose it could be said that most of those millions of kids and adults who play video games are not evil people just as you like to say that millions of gun owners have done nothing wrong.”

        You suppose? With your view of humanity why are you still here? There must be an island somewhere you can live on.

        - Eddie47d: “Yet video makers keep producing more extreme and violent games such as Kindergarten Killers. The users think nothing of the carnage in those videos….”

        That’s cause they know the difference between reality and make-believe.

        - Eddie47d: “…..just like there are a few gun owners who think nothing of the carnage that comes from their products.”

        Who would those gun owners (at least possessors of ) be? Are they not the few mentally ill who have done mass shootings? And how would YOU know what they think? (I am ignoring for the moment that few gun owners actually produce their own guns)

        - Eddie47d: “Neither entity sees any evil that is spawned…..”

        Cause evil does not come from inanimate objects.

        - Eddie47d: “….and if we keep turning a blind eye to it all as proven in the past and these events will keep happening.”

        And all the “gun control laws” passed since the beginning have NOT stopped them. Why do you think anything less than complete elimination of guns from the entire universe (yes that means from government too) will change that?

        Of course, those who actually looked at what the past proves, know that the VIOLENCE would not stop.

      • Vicki

        Jeremy Leochner says:
        “Vicki all you have ever told me is we either lock them up or arm people. Neither of those ideas is good enough for me.”

        Good. You WERE paying attention. Here is the next step

        YOUR Creator gave you to of the most precious gifts in the known universe.
        life and free will. How you use those gifts and how you honor them in others
        is how you shall be judged.

        Practical application first lesson.
        (The you in this lesson is both individual and collective unless stated otherwise)
        You have the right to think as you will.
        You do not have the right to force others to (claim to) think as you do.

        Some people will try and force their will on you using tools (gun for instance). The method that has worked successfully in this country for hundreds of years is to capture those people and lock them up. Since those people have tools to try and force their will, you (or agents such as the police) use tools to capture them. Those tools that are most effective currently are GUNS.

        For convenience most people now expect the police to go get those people. This is good for society but really sucks for you (the individual). See the police can’t be there most of the time when you (the individual) need it. Even SCOTUS understands and will not force the police to be liable for you (the individual).

        You, the individual need tools to protect yourself. The currently best tool for that job is a gun. (When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.)

        Now, without violating first principle and the US Constitution, give us just 3 ideas YOU think are needed beyond those 2.

        You could do more later but just your 3 best ideas(or 2 or even 1) to start.

      • JeffH

        Vicki, congrats on getting your message out on the internet.
        You were quoted, and rightly so at:
        http://freemadd.wordpress.com/2013/01/22/11750/

        In the meantime did you know that 300 MILLION AMERICANS DID NOT ASSAULT ANYONE USING ANY FIREARM.”

        “~300 MILLION Americans DIDN’T SHOOT anyone AT ALL. Not even by accident.”

        “Join us in telling them to STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT

      • Bob

        Right on Vicki Eddie’s an idiot and looks like the fool he must be. I’ll keep my guns regardless of what laws they pass as all of us should. Most of our politicians are treasonous and should be put in prison!

      • Jeremy Leochner

        Vicki

        1: I do not believe in god. But I do believe in life and free will.

        2: Here are my ideas

        1: Every person should learn about and make use of every form of protection available for their home, family, person and liberty.

        2: The clause of the Tiahrt Amendment which prevents the ATF from requiring gun dealers to conduct inventory checks to detect loss and theft should be removed.

        3: There needs to be a definitive understanding of where every American feels obliged to allow government into their lives.

      • Larry K.

        OBAMA WANTS TO DISARM AMERICA SO HE CAN BE THE RULER OF AMERICA AND PERHAPS EVERY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD. HE THINKS HE’S GOD BUT BOY! IS HE WRONG. EVEN THOUGH HE’S THE ANTI-CHRIST…. HE’S STILL A HALF-PINT DICTATOR.

      • Vicki

        Jeremy Leochner says:
        “I do not believe in god. But I do believe in life and free will.”

        I did not ask you to believe in God. I asserted that YOUR CREATOR gave you life and free will. Since you did assert your belief in free will we can continue.

        - Jeremy Leochner: : “1: Every person should learn about and make use of every form of protection available for their home, family, person and liberty.

        Yay. We can agree on the details. You even noticed that the 2nd does not have any limits on the tools we can use to protect our homes, family, person, liberty.

        - Jeremy Leochner: : “2: The clause of the Tiahrt Amendment which prevents the ATF from requiring gun dealers to conduct inventory checks to detect loss and theft should be removed.”

        How is requiring innocent people to do what they probably do anyway a benefit? And of course with the requirement comes enforcement. Treating innocent people like criminals.

        - Jeremy Leochner: : “3: There needs to be a definitive understanding of where every American feels obliged to allow government into their lives.”

        There is. It’s even printed on parchment. Proper education will help.

        In particular educating our representatives seems like a good plan. Here is a REALLY good site to do that with. http://www.downsizeDC.org

        (You may want to put any responses in separate posts to keep them short enough for others to have time to read.)

      • Vicki

        JeffH says:
        “Vicki, congrats on getting your message out on the internet”

        Thanks. Though I thought posting it here got it “out” on the net :)

      • Vicki

        Right Brain Thinker doesn’t and says:
        “eddie’s comments have caused me to think of a new slogan for Vicki to chant.

        THE ~86 MILLION AMERICANS WHO PLAY VIOLENT VIDEO GAMES DIDN’T REALLY SHOOT ANYONE TODAY BECAUSE THEIR GUNS ARE NOT REAL.”

        True. But proving your statistic is a little more convoluted than the one I chose to use.

        ~300 MILLION AMERICANS (including those who play violent video games) DIDN’T SHOOT ANYONE TODAY using real inanimate objects called guns.

        STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT

        STOP IT
        STOP IT NOW.

        Right Brain Thinker: “I get so confused sometimes. Maybe Vicki could explain things to me”

        I can and have, but I can’t force you to think.

      • eddie47d

        I’m not buying any of your interpretations Vickie and you don’t have to buy into mine. I won’t argue with you as much anymore because of those cut and paste replies. Not always true and your continual STOP IT is oh so low ball and childish!

      • Jeremy Leochner

        Vicki

        First- I do not believe in a creator. I was simply laying out the terms of my belief system so there would be no misconceptions.

        Second- Something like an inventory to determine if weapons have been stolen has to be a requirement. It cannot be left to the whims of a gun dealer whether or not to conduct an inspection if the lack of one could place innocent people in danger.

        Third- People disagree on the precise application of the constitution in particular situations. What is constitutional to you may seem unconstitutional to me and vice versa. And that happens even when people are educated about the document.

        Forth-Thanks for the advice

      • ChristyK

        Eddie, you are suggesting that gun ownership has some link to violence. One there is no difference between gun violence and violence; if you’re dead, you don’t care how you were killed. On the same day as Sandy Hook, there were more children killed in a school in China than at Sandy Hook. Those kids were killed by a bow and arrow because China severely limits guns. Those who want to kill will always find a means.

        If you want to discuss correlation, looking at a map showing which states voted highly for Democrats versus highly for Republicans (those also tend to be the areas of largest restriction of guns), there is almost a direct correlation between the high democrat votes and the areas where most violence occurs. With gun ownership, there are millions & millions of gun owners, but a miniscule percentage of shootings. Also, there are plenty of shootings, like the Sandy Hook shooter, where the shooter never owned guns, but stole them in order to commit the crime. Wyoming is a state that has the most free gun laws in the country, but has one of the 5 or so least acts of violence per capita. Based on correlation, it would make more sense to ban gun usage by Democrats than to ban guns overall. (I don’t recommend this).

        Almost all mass shootings occur in gun free zones. Areas with a high percentage that carry guns have almost no violence and on the rare occasion it occurs, a legal gun carrier usually stops it with few or no deaths. I’ve never heard of a 20+ death toll when there were armed citizens on hand.

        What Obama is doing is guaranteed by past history to increase gun violence. There is only one reason to do what he is doing. The history of tyrants ( Mao, Chavez, Stalin, Hitler, Castro, etc) is to start with limiting gun ownership, then keep track of who has guns, and finally to take away all guns. Then they have free reign to take away other rights and freedoms without much trouble. Almost all cases where a tyrant committed genocide, they disarmed the group or all citizens before committing the genocide.

      • speedle

        Jeremy, Right Brain, Eddie and the ilk. Here is the thing folks. Obama’s ruse to “protect the children” with new gun control laws will never come to fruition. You may as well accept that, because it simply is not going to happen. I for one am very glad he is making the effort seeing as how it is uniting believers in the second amendment (some of whom were actually democrats). This is the “Bridge Too Far” we have been hoping to see from the Chicago Gangsters.

        It seems that there are more people than I even suspected who understand the real reason for the second amendment is not for hunting or even personal protection. Rather it is to make the government “fear” the citizens. That’s right folks, I said “fear”. This right to weaponry could be said to be the most important amendment in the entire Constitution because it acts as the “enforcement” element for the rest of the Constitution.

        Lefties, please try to come to grips with the fact that the Constitution is written specifically to protect the people against the government, not the other way around. If you can just wrap your brains around this simple concept all this will be easier for you to swallow, and you may be able to move away from the silly feel good slogans that the gangsters are constantly pounding into the sheeple in order to get applause.and adulation for the chief gangster.

      • speedle

        Jeremy, you said you don’t believe in a “creator”. That’s cool with me, but I would like to know what your theory of creation is. I get that you don’t buy into the biblical version of God taking 6 days to create heaven and earth, yet I am intrigued with your statement of not believing in a creator. Help me out here, and tell me what be your theory of creation.

      • CZ52

        “Something like an inventory to determine if weapons have been stolen has to be a requirement.”

        That is done now. When BATF does a dealer inspection accounting for all guns received, in stock, and sold is a part of that inspection. They also check the paperwork on guns sold to see that proper procedures were followed.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Vicki gives me a tiny smile (no wink) and perhaps shows a bit of leg with a “skirt flip” as she once again flirts with the truth and plies us with her famous sentences—mostly deflectative this time.

        No anti-gun person one has tried to brainwash me with with slogans, so I’m not sure who she’s talking about. Perhaps they know that I’m a gun owner and I’m a bit scary looking and they’re afraid I might shoot them, so they don’t attempt it—-you know how them wimpy libs-progs are.

        Actually, I’m not sure Vicki knows either because her “slogans” are just the horsepucky she has copied for us out of either her Shills-n-Trolls-r-Us handbook or from one of the sites on the circular firing squad that she and JAY and JeffH and DaveH go to for their mindless obfuscatory sentences. (Where IS DaveH, anyway?—-I hate to say it, but I almost miss him. Actually, I think I know—-he has worn out DaveH and is here under another handle—-and he has been told to be less stupid this time around, so we may not recognize him—-at first)

        Here’s an original to add to the slogan list:

        EVERY LAST ONE OF THE MANY AMERICANS WHO HAVE PLAYED VIOLENT VIDEO GAMES HAVE NEVER KILLED ANYONE WITH THEIR IMAGINARY GUNS—-ONLY REAL GUNS WIELDED BY REAL PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE.

        (And would someone please explain to me how “assault weapon” is a “slogan”?)

      • Robert Smith

        From the article: “Gun sales have leapt into the stratosphere. ”

        So, who benefits from Obama’s ALLEGED stand on guns?

        Follow the money right to the gun manufacturers.

        That’s who is generating the hysteria to line their own pockets.

        Rob

      • JeffH

        RS says “From the article: “Gun sales have leapt into the stratosphere. ”

        So, who benefits from Obama’s ALLEGED stand on guns?

        Follow the money right to the gun manufacturers.

        That’s who is generating the hysteria to line their own pockets.

        Hmmm, are you suggesting that the anti-gun voices of Obama, Feistein, Schumer, Bloomberg, Cuomo, ‘et al are all in the deep pockets of the gun manufacturers just to boost gun sales?

        Now back to reality! Were you aware that ~300 MILLION AMERICANS DID NOT ASSAULT ANYONE USING ANY FIREARM.

        ~300 MILLION Americans DIDN’T SHOOT anyone AT ALL. Not even by accident.

        Join us in telling them to STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT

        STOP IT

        STOP IT NOW

      • eddie47d

        Christy K: Spreading more false Urban Legends to stoke your already inflated ego? The Chinese kids were attacked with a knife and all 22 survived. All 20 died at S.H. Now do you comprehend?

      • eddie47d

        Speedle and his “ilk” Some Americans should fear the right wing and what some of their fringe groups are doing. The Alaskan Peacekeepers Militia was anything but peaceful and had several assassination plots brewing. Gotta love those honest and true blue gun owners who advocate for the overthrow of our elected government. How about the Sovereign Nation who refuse to pay any taxes? They killed 5 cops who had nothing to do with their anger. Yet the members of the APKM and SN advocate for the same mission we hear from some folks here. Do you follow them and preach what they preach?

      • Vicki

        Robert Smith says:
        “From the article: “Gun sales have leapt into the stratosphere. ”
        So, who benefits from Obama’s ALLEGED stand on guns?
        Follow the money right to the gun manufacturers.”

        Last I checked the money doesn’t stop there.

        TAXES. And the buck stops at obama.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        Speedle my beliefs regarding creation are the Big Bang and Evolution. I consider scientific process to be the source of mankind. I consider mankind to be a magnificent miracle of life. I simply do not believe that some all powerful being was the one responsible for it.

      • Vicki

        Bill says:
        “So, what does everyone else think of Eddies quote”

        Here it is in context of the thread.
        http://personalliberty.com/2013/01/19/obamas-gun-show/#comment-814692

        That plus many other statements makes it clear that eddie is anti- 2nd amenement.
        Statements like this one (you can find it in this very thread)

        “The Second Amendment doesn’t give anyone the right to be reckless and Florida’s Stand Your Ground law opened up another can of worms and weak excuses for self defense.” – eddie47d

      • Jeremy Leochner

        CZ52

        The problem is according to the Firearms Qualification and Compliance Inspection Program the ATF conducts inspections once every 12 months. -http://www.atf.gov/publications/firearms/121611-firearms-commerce-2011.pdf

        I do not believe that is enough oversight to ensure theft is discovered.

      • Vicki

        Jeremy Leochner says:
        “First- I do not believe in a creator. I was simply laying out the terms of my belief system so there would be no misconceptions.”

        So who or what created you?

        - Jeremy Leochner: “Second- Something like an inventory to determine if weapons have been stolen has to be a requirement. It cannot be left to the whims of a gun dealer whether or not to conduct an inspection if the lack of one could place innocent people in danger.”

        Please explain exactly how the lack of an inventory places innocent people in danger.

        - Jeremy Leochner: “Third- People disagree on the precise application of the constitution in particular situations. What is constitutional to you may seem unconstitutional to me and vice versa. And that happens even when people are educated about the document.”

        I brought forth for your consideration

        Your creator gifted you with life and free will.
        How you use those gifts and how you honor those gifts in others
        is how you shall be judged.

        If you apply that VERY simple concept to all of the questions about the Constitution while keeping in mind that the Constitution is a series of specific powers delegated to the (federal) government along with a set of rights that MUST BE PROTECTED (yes including 9) you will not have any problems.

        - Jeremy Leochner: “Forth-Thanks for the advice” Welcome :)

      • momo

        Right Brain Thinker says: “But wait! The chanting of slogans is something that has proven to be a good tool to influence and CONTROL (see that, JAY?) the mindless. As in SEIG HEIL!!”

        Slogans like Yes we can and Forward.

      • manuel rosa

        Vicky, it would be nice if the tyrantes in washingtn would listen to comments like yourrs but polititians only listen to force nothing else.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        Vicki

        First-As to what created me I believe high school reproductive biology offers a good explanation of how I developed. I do not believe someone created me. I developed through a biological process.

        Second- The lack of inventory means that gun owners are unaware if their products have been stolen. Its kind of hard to stop bad guys from stealing guns and then using them if the theft of the weapons is not discovered.

        Third- I agree with you on honoring the gifts I have. That is what I am trying to do to the best of my ability.

      • Vicki

        Jeremy Leochner says:
        “First-As to what created me I believe high school reproductive biology offers a good explanation of how I developed. I do not believe someone created me. I developed through a biological process.”

        Ok. and we have already established that you believe in free will thus you are asserting that this biological process gave you free will. Do you happen to have any ideas on how a biological process did that? The reason I ask is that I do have friends who do NOT believe in free will and their evidence is the cause and effect of chemical processes. Biological processes are just complex extensions of those processes and they are all determinate.

        (I’m leaving 2 and 3 to a different post to save space.)

      • Vicki

        Jeremy Leochner says:
        “Second- The lack of inventory means that gun owners are unaware if their products have been stolen. Its kind of hard to stop bad guys from stealing guns and then using them if the theft of the weapons is not discovered.”

        You should try to stay on subject. We were discussing gun dealers (who are a subset of gun owners). Since any business would keep an inventory why does the government NEED to force them to do this.

        How do you plan on stopping a bad guy from using a gun simply because you know it is stolen? You might claim that if the police were to stop some random thief and they had a gun that was reported stolen, then the police could arrest him. But there is no efficient connection between the 2 that would justify the expense of forcing gun dealers to do what they already do for good business.

        It does provide the government with an excuse to violate the gun dealers 4th amendment rights and an opportunity to have hidden registration.

        - Jeremy Leochner: “Third- I agree with you on honoring the gifts I have. That is what I am trying to do to the best of my ability.”

        And though I have no evidence that you are not, what concerns me is the 2nd half of that principle. How you HONOR those gifts in others. In particular how you honor their free will.

        Gun control laws force restrictions on INNOCENT people putting some of them in clear and present danger.

        This is why I have been pointing out recently that

        ~300 MILLION AMERICANS DID NOT MISUSE A FIREARM.

        STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT.

        STOP IT
        STOP IT NOW

    • Bill

      Jeremy,
      Why don’t you go after the real problem and ban all psychiatric drugs. They seem to be the cause of these publisized shooting.

      Granted, some drugs have good benefits for some patients, but it is the same as banning guns.

      So if you can ban those drugs, our violence will stop

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Isn’t this comment one of those “non sequitur” thingies?

      • Jeremy Leochner

        Bill no one wants to ban all guns just as no one wants to ban drugs. Drugs can play a role in worsening a persons mental condition rather than improve it. I appreciate that you admit that they can sometimes help. We do need to look at our countries mental health system and President Obama has made some proposals to improve it. And again no one is trying to stop all violence. No one believes in that dream ever being real. What they are trying to do is address and combat a problem that has become far too big.

      • boyscout

        Bill, Of course that means going up against Big Pharma, The FDA, and revolving door cronyism. A very tall order but you are welcome to join the fray. The best place to start is the home medicine cabinet with special attention to the contraindications labeled. Next, move on to alerting others, and then get political. Good luck and best wishes.

      • manuel rosa

        Bill, if you ban the drugs and the shootings stop, how the hell is Obrama gona find another excuse to proceed with his agenda of Banning guns?

      • http://www.facebook.com/benjamin.fox.98892 Benjamin Fox

        Lets see we have eddie teddy 47 ways to be a commie from Denver, Jeromy ohmy I need to back my commie buddies and all we need now is trashy flashy dashy to join in and you have the 3 stooges in person.

    • http://TheMiracleofSelfPower Iris D. Lynch

      Actually, what Obama continues to try to take away from citizens, including his own followers, is SELF POWER, both psychological and physical. That’s all! We should all be totally dependent on our Savior, BO!

      • Jeremy Leochner

        He is not trying to make people dependent on him Iris. He is trying to help the American people. Trying to help someone does not mean you are trying to make that person dependent on you.

      • Vicki

        Jeremy Leochner says:
        “He is not trying to make people dependent on him Iris. He is trying to help the American people. Trying to help someone does not mean you are trying to make that person dependent on you.”

        If your “help” makes them dependent on you than it makes no difference that you did not intend to do so.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        If the person requires help should it not be given.

      • Vicki

        Is the cure worse than the disease?

      • Jeremy Leochner

        That is the big question. I suppose we have to look at the proposed treatments and figure it out.

      • manuel rosa

        that seems to be well invisioned, two points for mr Lynch

    • http://carlwk3c carlwk3c

      “Jeremy”,
      I can only conclude that you are either a “useful idiot” or simply a shill (troll) for the Obama regime.
      There IS NO epidemic of gun violence. Crime has gone down steadily since the earltpy 90s when states started enacting “shall issue” concealed carry license laws. Murder and other forms of violent crime are down 40-50% … EXCEPT in areas like Chicago, LA, DC, etc. where citizens are denied their right of self-defense by overbearing, unconstitutional, and counter-productive “gun control” laws.
      Here’s the story the leftist puppets in the lame steam media propaganda machine never tell the gullibles in their audinces:

      According to the statistics gathered, but hidden, by their beloved government, guns are used by law-abiding citizens in justifiable self-defense (to stop or prevent a crime) about 2.5 million times per year in the US.
      In the vast majority of cases, no shots are fired. The mere display of the means of self-defense prompts the criminal to turn tail and run.
      In the minority of cases where shots are fired, those citizens kill several times more criminals per year than the police.
      Despite the fact that citizens shoot and kill significantly more criminals than the police, you are approximately 5.5 times MORE likely to be accidentally/mistakenly shot by the police than by a citizen defending himself (unless, of course, you are actually the criminal).
      Lawful use of guns saves FAR more lives each year than the unlawful use of guns by criminals and psychopaths.
      Every state that has enacted “shall issue” concealed carry laws, which allow citizens to carry after passing a background check, has seen crime in general, and violent crime in particular, drop dramatically.
      Places with the most prohibitions on self-defense (Chicago, LA, DC, etc.) have FAR more violent crime than areas where it’s known that citizens have the right to self-defense and the means to enforce that right.
      Those are the IRREFUTABLE FACTS that the government and its media propaganda machine don’t want the public to know.

      • Bill

        Hi Carl,
        I was reading in my local paper this morning about a man who caught a pair of burglars breaking into his home while he was there. This is called a “Hot” burglary and we are seeing a few in our area. Anyway, he held them at gunpoint until the police arrived. He was actully praised in our local paper.

        Thank god I live in a common sense town where the good guys win

      • eddie47d

        That gentleman will still have that right to defend his home and hold those perps for the police. If they were carrying guns then then he would also have the right to shoot and kill them. So why say differently Bill!

      • Bill

        So, Eddie
        Now that you support that guys right to hold those burglars at his property then you should have no problem if the gun he used to hold the burglars was an AR-15 with a 30 round magizine

      • Jeremy Leochner

        Carlwk3c

        1: I am neither a shill or a useful idiot

        2: Here are some statistics you should look at about the none epidemic:

        http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/16/16547690-just-the-facts-gun-violence-in-america?lite

        http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2012/12/14/schoo-shooting-how-do-u-s-gun-homicides-compare-with-the-rest-of-the-world/

        3: I can respect that lawful use of guns can save lives. But that does not change the responsibility for lives lost when a crazy person or a person with a criminal record is allowed access to a gun. Such people should not be granted access and with good reason.

        4: The simplistic argument that concealed gun carry laws equals less crime is not clear cut: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/do-concealed-weapon-laws-result-in-less-crime/2012/12/16/e80a5d7e-47c9-11e2-ad54-580638ede391_blog.html

        5: In 2011 an article by The Daily Beast found that Louisiana had the worst gun related death rate in the country with 19 people per 100, 000 killed. Mississippi came in second with 18. -http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/01/11/20-deadliest-gun-states-from-mississippi-to-arizona.html

        The Brady Campaign tests the level of gun control in each state and grants points based on how strong the gun control is with 100 being a perfect score. Louisiana scored just 2 out of 100 points and Mississippi scored only 4. This put both of them into the Brady Campaigns weakest category for gun control enforcement.-http://www.bradycampaign.org/stategunlaws/scorecard

        Back to the Daily Beast Article The state that came in third was a tie between Alaska and Alabama. Alaska scored 0 out of 100 on the Brady Campaigns test and is ranked as having the weakest gun control possible. Alabama scored 14 out of 100 and was ranked in their second to weakest category.

        The state that came in forth for most gun deaths per 100,000 was Nevada. Nevada scored 5 out of 100 on the Brady Campaigns test and was placed in the weakest gun control category.

        The state that came in fifth highest was Arkansas. Arkansas scored 4 out of 100 and was placed in the weakest category.

        The place of sixth was a tie between Arizona, New Mexico and Tennessee. Arizona scored 0 out of 100. New Mexico scored 4 out of 100. Tennessee scored 8 out of 100. All landed in the weakest category.

        The place of seventh was West Virginia. West Virginia scored 4 out of 100 and was placed in the category for weakest gun control.

        So the 10 states with the highest rates of gun deaths per 100,000 people all landed in the category of weakest or second to weakest gun control. This suggests to me that there is a correlation between lax gun control and higher rates of death. So how does that square up with your argument that there are more crimes and gun deaths in places with strong gun control.

      • eddie47d

        Isn’t needed BILL unless you are a very bad shot!

      • eddie47d

        Their statistics aren’t always wrong Jeremy but they always bring up Chicago which is one city out of thousands. In the long term your statistics are more accurate.

        • nypbbob

          our of the thousands cities, how many of those had a guy named obama as senator? typical liberal deflection… lol

      • Bill

        So, Eddie,
        You say that you support the right to defend yourself but only with the guns that YOU approve of?

        Who the he// do you think you are.

        • http://carlwk3c carlwk3c

          Jeremy is wrong on another point. Obama DOES want to disarm us all. He’s said it many times, but his compliant media propaganda machine has a very short memory when it doesn’t suit his/their agenda.

      • eddie47d

        Typical excuse from an Obama hater oh so trite!

    • mike

      Your a real moron, you have no idea what is going on, wake up.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        I see a problem Mike and I support what I believe addresses it. What exactly do I need to “wake up” to.

        • tony newbill

          breaking news , Houston college in lock-down after another shooting ” !!

          This is more evidence in the need for armed guards in our Public system . If we want to call it a well protected society under the right to defend ourselves from all enemies foreign or domestic then this is exactly what the 2nd amendment is all about .

      • Vicki

        tony newbill. You seem to be sending a mixed message. Did you want a police state (more armed GUARDS), or did you want a free people (2nd amendment)

      • Jeremy Leochner

        Vicki I was thinking the same thing. We actually agreed on something.

      • Vicki

        Jeremy Leochner says:
        “Vicki I was thinking the same thing. We actually agreed on something.”

        Yes we do agree on some things. We also want some of the same utopia. The difference is the methods used/planned to get there.

      • eddie47d

        Yet that shooting in Houston’s Lone Star College rather shows that arming students is rather foolish since there was only two shooting at each other and 3 victims. Another case of the innocent being dragged into someone elses right to bear arms.

      • TML

        Shooting your wad a bit early aren’t you eddie? The only proposals have been to allow faculty to carry, not students. And the reports are that only 2 were shot (wounded, not killed) and the third had some kind of “heart-attack”.

        It’s funny to hear you talk like you do when you say that you support people having gun to protect themselves, while your rhetoric shows your true feelings. It is that rhetoric that leads people to be cautious; that just because someone says something (especially the President who has gone back on many of his promises) doesn’t meant that’s what he/she will do.

      • CZ52

        “that shooting in Houston’s Lone Star College rather shows that arming students…”

        The last time I checked the updates on the incident neither shooter was being identified as a student or professor at the school.

      • eddie47d

        One has been identified as a student. One article says both have been caught and are in the hospital. Another article says one is still at large. Go figure and there was a forth victim but she had a heart attack at the shooting and all are doing okay. This school is a training center for paramedics so plenty of aid was given.

      • CZ52

        Yes eddie that was in a later update. Also two of the wounded were the shooters the third was a college maintaince person with as you noted another person having medical problems reported to be a heart attack.

    • Steve E

      You say Obama won’t take our guns. I would bet that only those without possession of guns say that he won’t. The ones in possession of guns don’t believe that he will.

      • Steve E

        Sorry, I meant: The ones in possession of guns believe that he will.

      • eddie47d

        The problem with CARLWK3C is that your right to self protection will still be there so you are creating a mirage in your own mind. If a gun is still allowed in your home or on your person then why keep saying that you won’t have that right of self defense? Maybe the citizens of Chicago should be armed but more importantly why are those with deadlier weapons not prosecuted who do commit the criminal acts? Because your right of self defense also gives them the same right whether in Chicago or Kennesaw,Ga. Another way to look at it since we all have those rights the good guys and the bad guys will always have those weapons and because of the Second Amendment. I highly doubt if the 2nd meant a free for all but that is how it is interpreted by the extreme right.

      • http://carlwk3c carlwk3c

        Eddie … It says “shall not be infringed.” Couldn’t be clearer. The Founders PROHIBITED the federal government (and according to the SCOTUS, the 2nd amendment applies to the states as well) from INFRINGING our (pre-existing, natural) right to keep and bear arms.

      • Bill

        And don’t forget that Eddie said we should give up our guns because we owe money to the Chinese.

        He will lie and make up anything to push his gun grabbing agenda. Just ignore him, he has the credibility of an ambulance chaser

      • Dennis48e

        eddie the right to defend yourself means nothing if the best means to do so has been removed.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        The problem Steve is that the ones in possession thought he would in his first term. Heck they thought he would within a few days of becoming President. That turned out to be paranoia. Why should I trust such fears this time around.

      • Vicki

        Jeremy Leochner says:
        “Why should I trust such fears this time around.”

        History.

      • Dennis48e

        “The problem Steve is that the ones in possession thought he would in his first term.

        And he would likely have except for one thing. After becoming president obama said “I will not seek any additional gun control measures at this time because I do not have the votes to assure their passage”. In that statement he admits he wanted further gun controls and since he had previously called for totaly banning certain guns It is logical to conclude he would have tried if he thought he had a chance of getting it passed.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        Vicki history is not very supportive of Obama taking peoples guns. Like I said the last time people thought he was going to take them he didn’t. And then like now the desperate hoarding of guns has resulted in gun stores being unable to meet the demand. The fear of not being able to get guns is resulting in people not being able to get guns.

      • Vicki

        Jeremy Leochner says:
        “Vicki history is not very supportive of Obama taking peoples guns”

        The historical comments of obama alone are enough to disprove your assertion
        http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/07/26/Obama-Demagogued-Gun-Control-in-Illinois-Vetting

      • Jeremy Leochner

        Dennis people were saying Obama was going to take away peoples guns on day one. Their fears were paranoid then as they are now. Obama has never wanted to take away peoples guns. Even if he did he would never get enough votes to allow it.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        Vicki if Obama says he wants to ban assault weapons its not the same as him coming for peoples guns. Not being allowed to have assault weapons is not the same as not being allowed to have any weapons. As I have said I agree with you that an assault weapons ban is unconstitutional. But I still will point that wanting one is not the same as denying people the right to keep and bear arms. It violates it, but it does not take it away all together.

      • TML

        Jeremy Leochner says, “Dennis people were saying Obama was going to take away peoples guns on day one. Their fears were paranoid then as they are now. Obama has never wanted to take away peoples guns. Even if he did he would never get enough votes to allow it.”

        Their fears had reason behind them; Obama supported the bans on handguns in Illinois as a Senator. Then consider his statements in the 2nd Debate with Romney last year, “But weapons that were designed for soldiers in war theaters don’t belong on our streets. Part of it is seeing if we can get an assault weapons ban reintroduced. But part of it is also looking at other sources of the violence. Because frankly, in my home town of Chicago, there’s an awful lot of violence and they’re not using AK-47s. They’re using cheap hand guns.” – Obama

        While admitting that he would like to reinstate the ‘assault’ weapons ban (while then admitting that they aren’t even used in crime on the street), he then implies he is also looking at handguns. This is a president that has gone back on many of his promises, so even from a moderate perspective, one cannot trust what he says when he says he believes in the second amendment, and his often used practice of Executive Order to get around Congress, has many American’s reasonably concerned that enough votes to stop such action wouldn’t even be a factor.

      • moonbeam

        Actually Jeremy, people are not buying the guns to hoard them. They are buying guns to sell them. Saw that report somewhere a few days ago. People opening their own gun stores, with the proper licenses of course.

      • Vicki

        Jeremy Leochner says:
        “But I still will point that wanting one is not the same as denying people the right to keep and bear arms. It violates it, but it does not take it away all together.”

        Are you familiar with the term “disingenuous”?

      • Jeremy Leochner

        TML

        1: The fears were not that Obama was going to ban handguns. It was that tyranny was coming and all guns would be banned. And I am talking about when Obama first got elected. That was before he debated Romney. And the fact remains that he did not do what everyone was so convinced he would do.

        2: How has Obama made executive order his “often used practice”. Bush used executive order far more than Obama has. So did Clinton.

        3: We the people still have the power to hold our elected officials accountable. Just because congress is incompetent does not mean we the people cannot keep Obama in check.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        I did not see that report moonbeam. Why the sudden gun selling craze. Have guns become a sound investment?

      • Jeremy Leochner

        Vicki

        Yes I am familiar. I consider it disingenuous to exaggerate the injustice committed against a person. I consider it disingenuous to speak of an assault weapons ban as though its a ban against all weapons and all guns. I consider it disingenuous to cry fascism whenever one wishes to oppose something. I consent that an assault weapons ban is unconstitutional. However we have had an assault weapons ban since 1994 and tyranny has not come. I agree with the disagreement with an assault weapons ban. I disagree with the unfettered outrage that connects the violation of ones rights with the outright lose of those rights. The argument against the violation must be made. But the depth of the injustice must be understood or else the argument becomes hyperbolic and pointless.

      • Dennis48e

        “Dennis people were saying Obama was going to take away peoples guns on day one. ”

        Re-read my post Jeremy obama said the only reason he was not going to was that he knew he did not have the votes to do so.

        • Motov

          And we are gonna hear about more mass shootings until he libtards get their way

      • Vicki

        Jeremy Leochner says:
        “We the people still have the power to hold our elected officials accountable. Just because congress is incompetent does not mean we the people cannot keep Obama in check.”

        Really? How exactly are you going to hold obama ‘in check”?

      • TML

        Jeremy Leochner says “1: The fears were not that Obama was going to ban handguns. It was that tyranny was coming and all guns would be banned. And I am talking about when Obama first got elected. That was before he debated Romney. And the fact remains that he did not do what everyone was so convinced he would do.”

        It matter’s little since he has a record of strict gun control. If has the record of banning hand guns, and openly admits wanting to ban the so-called assault rifle, what’s left? Hunting rifles and shotguns? I guess you think the people should be content with that and not see it as banning all guns since he left ya a few, eh? Get real man. The fact that he supported the ban on hand guns in Illinois should be enough for anyone to see his position on the issue, regardless of whether he actually does it or not, the concerns are reasonable.

        Jeremy Leochner says “2: How has Obama made executive order his “often used practice”. Bush used executive order far more than Obama has. So did Clinton.”

        Red herring. We are talking about this president, not past presidents. And he has often shown that he is willing to get around congress by their usage. It is the content of those orders that matters more than the number of them. I’m well aware the practice of executive order has been abused ever since the moment Lincoln took office. Btw… he is actually right on par with Bush who wrote 291 executive orders in his 8 years in office, and that was with the onset of 9/11.

        Jeremy Leochner says “3: We the people still have the power to hold our elected officials accountable. Just because congress is incompetent does not mean we the people cannot keep Obama in check.”

        Congress IS the representative of we the people.

    • chocopot

      Mr. Leochner.

      I do not have time to respond to all of your ridiculous, naive, and false assertions, so I will choose only one: “Obama is not trying to disarm law abiding Americans. He is trying to prevent those with criminal records or mental illness from getting guns.”

      To put it simply, yes he is. In moments of carelessness, he and his minions, like Dianne Feinstein and Sarah Brady, let their true colors shine through and speak the truth. Their quotes are all over the Internet. Yes, Mr. Leochner, that is precisely what they are trying to do. It is very hard to establish the totalitarian dictatorship these elitists desire if the peasants are armed and can fight back when the storm troopers come to round them up. So they need to do this gradually, one small step at a time. No, you say, they just want to decrease the gun violence. Well, gun violence is decreasing quite nicely without elitist interference, thank you very much, and has been for more than 20 years. In point of fact, as the number of guns in the hands of law-abiding American citizens has gone up, along with the number of concealed-carry permits, gun violence has gone down. The overwhelming majority of gun deaths in the U.S. are either suicides or gang-bangers and drug dealers killing each other (and that is a good thing). The type of tragedy that took place in Connecticut is relatively rare and receives the attention it does precisely because there is an agenda, shared by the media and their left-wing cohorts in Washington, to disarm the public so the New World Order can be established without those pesky Ameircans with guns who believe in freedom and individual rights getting in the way.

      And by the way, there is significant evidence, which the authorities are trying very hard to suppress, that the public is being given a pack of lies instead of the facts about the shooting in Connecticut. Specifically, there are witnesses (some of them local police officers) who have stated very clearly the following: the so-called assault rifle was never taken out of the trunk of Mr. Lanza’s car and was not used in the shooting – he used two handguns; there was a second shooter seen by several people and who has not been found – or so the authorities claim; reporters and witnesses have stated that they have been told if they deviate from the official line or dare mention either of the two facts I just mentioned, they will be arrested and locked up by the local authorities. Add to that the fact that, within 24 hours after every other mass shooting of the last 15 years at least, security camera videos were released to the public for media broadcast. Not this one – it is being withheld. Why? What are they hiding? There is also some significant evidence that this entire incident was planned and set up in order to push the obvious agenda. You think these elitists are not capable of such a heinous act? History suggests otherwise.

      There are now more than 22,000 local, state, and federal gun control laws on the books in this country. By definition, a criminal does not obey laws, so any sane person can understand that putting into place even more laws will not make any difference to the crime situation, but such laws will put more restrictions and burdens (and expense) on law-abiding citizens. That, of course, is the goal. And we will not stand for it. Background checks are already conducted on nearly all gun purchasers, and if a criminal wants to buy a gun, he is not going to go through legal channels to do it anyway; he can simply go to the right neighborhood in his town or city and buy whatever he wants. This battle has worked out the same way with illegal drugs, which are readily available anywhere in this country despite untold billions spent over many decades in what has been a useless effort to stop them.

      Our freedom and liberty are at stake as the fraud in the White House continues to work toward implementing his Marxist agenda as the law of the land. We need to fight him at every step until he is gone.

      • eddie47d

        You speak more from rabid hatred rather than coherent facts Chocopot for I don’t think you have a clue in what really happened at Sandy Hook and are spouting more rumors. Sure gun violence is diminishing yet mass shootings continue so you only want to connect some of the dots not all of them.

      • http://carlwk3c carlwk3c
      • http://gravatar.com/cbgard Carlucci

        Well, Eddie47d, what really DID happen in Sandy Hook? Are you privy to the real inside story? Anyone who listens to and believes the mainstream media crap about that and anything else is just stupid. Grow up.

      • eddie47d

        Maybe Carlucci needs to “grow up” herself since I didn’t make any claims one way or the other about what happened that day.

      • http://gravatar.com/cbgard Carlucci

        eddie47d said: “You speak more from rabid hatred rather than coherent facts Chocopot for I don’t think you have a clue in what really happened at Sandy Hook and are spouting more rumors.”

        Oh, really??? The way you said it in your comment to chocopot, you make it sound as if you know what really happened at Sandy Hook.

        I stand by my comment….

      • JeffH

        carlwk3c, done deal and a proud member.
        Molôn Labé

      • Jeremy Leochner

        Chocopot

        1: They do support assault weapons bans. They did use children as props. But they are not trying to establish dictatorship. Also part of the decrease in crime was due to gun control measures. And as for carry permits decreasing crime I would disagree- http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/do-concealed-weapon-laws-result-in-less-crime/2012/12/16/e80a5d7e-47c9-11e2-ad54-580638ede391_blog.html

        2: Here are some articles you should read regarding what I consider Sandy Hook conspiracy theories:

        http://www.policymic.com/articles/23833/sandy-hook-conspiracy-theories-harm-libertarian-movement

        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/16/sandy-hook-conspiracy-theory-video-debunked_n_2487427.html

        3: Nothing proposed is about criminals obeying laws willingly. Its to make it so that they have to follow laws in order to buy guns in gun shops. And its to combat the illicit gun trade which is where most criminals go to get guns.

        4: Obama is not trying to impose a Marxist agenda. He is not doing that any more than any other President who has issued executive orders has.

      • eddie47d

        Carlucci: Chocopot said that “several people saw a second shooter”. Not really no proof to that at all. ” Background checks are made on most gun purchase” ,not necessarily true and there are figures to out there to say otherwise. Witnesses have not been threatened by the police as he stated (bald assertion) so he leaves alot to be desired in his comment.

      • moonbeam

        Jeremy writes

        “3: Nothing proposed is about criminals obeying laws willingly. Its to make it so that they have to follow laws in order to buy guns in gun shops. And its to combat the illicit gun trade which is where most criminals go to get guns.”

        Oh My Gosh! Jeremy, where in the world did you hear that criminals buy guns in gun shops? Criminals “have” to follow laws? BWAHAHAHAHAAAAAHAA Since when? Jails and prisons are full of criminals who DON’T follow laws. In addition, we have a HUGE law breaker in the white house and laws don’t seem to apply to him. He can lie his horse teeth head off, he can wipe his narrow butt with our Constitution, he can seal all his records and he can force his will upon the American People. Nope, laws don’t apply to him.

        What job do YOU know of where you don’t have to show some kind of explanation of what you have done with your time? Hell, they even want a sample of your urine. Did BO do a drug screen? Bet any money if one were done on him now he’d come up dirty.

        Again, criminals do not follow laws. Since law enforcement is incapable of stopping it, the next logical step is to show the criminals what’s what and make law abiding citizens responsible for the carnage by punishing them for sh1t the criminals do.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        Moonbeam

        1: Actually I heard it from articles like this one from pbs-http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/guns/procon/guns.html which states that “In fact, there are a number of sources that allow guns to fall into the wrong hands, with gun thefts at the bottom of the list. Wachtel says one of the most common ways criminals get guns is through straw purchase sales. A straw purchase occurs when someone who may not legally acquire a firearm, or who wants to do so anonymously, has a companion buy it on their behalf.” and that “The next biggest source of illegal gun transactions where criminals get guns are sales made by legally licensed but corrupt at-home and commercial gun dealers. Several recent reports back up Wachtel’s own studies about this, and make the case that illegal activity by those licensed to sell guns, known as Federal Firearms Licensees (FFLs), is a huge source of crime guns and greatly surpasses the sale of guns stolen from John Q. Citizen.” So yes criminals do buy guns from gun stores. Requiring criminals to go through red tape in order to purchase a gun is to avoid just handing one to them. If things like back ground checks were not in place criminals would be much more inclined to buy guns at gun shops.

        2: None. And Obama indeed did not take a drug test. He merely assumed a position where his every action is monitored and where he is required to come up for reelection in a system where the people have the power.

        3: No it is not the next logical step. The logical step is improve law enforcement.

    • Cliffystones

      “2: Obama is not trying to disarm law abiding Americans. He is trying to prevent those with criminal records or mental illness from getting guns.”

      He would have a better success rate trying to equip our submarine fleet with screen doors!

      • Bill

        Good comment, Cliffy
        They should ban psychiatric drugs, that seems to be the problem more than guns. Although, that would be the same as taking the guns away from the honest people because a miniscule amout of crazy people on drugs wreak some havoc.

        While we are banning things, we should be banning stupid people from having any control over our lives

      • Jeremy Leochner

        He is trying to combat the problem Cliffy. I consider it slightly more realistic a response than trying to put screen doors on submarines.

      • moonbeam

        I like that, cliffystones. “screen doors on a submarine.” Man that is funny! I laughed really loud on that one.

        Also liked the comment someone made somewhere about the repubs and demonrats being two cheeks on the same ass. I laughed for 3 whole days.

        Just the visuals alone bring me to hysterical gut-busting laughter.

      • http://www.facebook.com/benjamin.fox.98892 Benjamin Fox

        I think I have figured it out, eddie teddy 47 ways to be a commie from Denver, Jeromy oh my have to back my commie buddies and trashy flashy dashy have been drinking that pink cool aid that they think is truth when it is really drainage from what they call a brain?

    • Scott

      First off, criminals and people with mental illness will always get their hands on a gun if they want too. These type people don’t go to stores and purchase firearms legally. People who commit crimes with guns do not possess a firearm thru the proper channels. Come on, that is just ignorant to believe such. Criminals don’t want to be traced or have any paper trails attached to them. Barack placates to all of his Liberal sheep and they follow, as sheep do… Criminals will have and obtain guns no matter what , they buy illegally, off the street. While law abiding Americans will not acquire illegally. I can’t stand Barack, I can’t stand how he uses children or any immoral deed to win over the sheep which completes his herd. I can’t stand how Barack abuses the Constitution of the United States. I can’t stand Barack how he so mischievously passes bills in the dark of night. I can’t stand Barack and how he just ignores Congress. I can’t stand Barack and how he passes executive orders when Congress does not vote in the majority for his evil plans. I believe you are supposed to have 2/3rds majority!!! I can’t stand Barack and how he feels the rich, who worked hard for the right to become successful should have to give more to the people who don’t work or have initiative to succeed and be equal. I can’t stand Barack who borrows money and puts this country into the highest amount ever. I can’t stand Barack who is now allowing China to take our land in America for the huge amount of debt that he continues to incur. I can’t stand Barack Obama and would love to tell him this face to face. I would spit in my hand and then shake his hand. Oh wait, I would much rather put my hand in a pile of dung than shake Barack Obamas hand. It’s probably worth more…

    • gunner

      Hmmm. Obama and the liberals don’t want to take our guns?

      ” Waiting periods are only a step. Registration is only a step. The prohibition of Private firearms is the goal ” Janet Reno

      “We’ll take one step at a time…We’ll have to start working again to strengthen the Law.and then again to strengthen the next Law….Our ultimate goal, total control of hand guns, is going to take time” Peter Shields

      “Banning guns is an idea whose time has come” Joe Biden

      ” We’re bending the Law as far as we can to ban an entirely new class of guns” Rahm Emmanuel

      “We’re going to hammer guns on the anvil of relentless legislative strategy! We’re going to beat guns into submission” Charles Schumer

      ” I don’t care about crime! I want the guns” Harold Metzenbaum

      ” Our task of creating a Socialist America can only succeed when those who would resist us have been totally disarmed” Sarah Brady

      What, pray tell, do they have in mind then?

      • Lyndia

        I have spent over 40 years studying the minds and actions of dictators the president appears to be following the steps to potentially being one . If you were to study Hitler for example, you would find your answers. Each step that Hitler used to accomplish total control of Germany you can recognize by following Obama’s! Very few citizens in this country had even heard of this stranger in our White House when he suddenly emerged into the limelight with the help of people like the Clintons & others. Hitler was an unknown as well yet he gained the trust of the young people by becoming the “Pied Piper” and turned them into spies and killers even within their own families. He promised the people of Germany that he would give the people a better life and he gave them a worse hell. Hitler got rid of the foundation of the prior government and deemed that the army would protect them as he confiscated weapons and ammo from the citizens!! His new followers turned in the kind of people that Hitler hated, including the Jews as well as people he felt were not worthy of living and had them killed. (you might have heard of his human ovens! He encouraged various “different” people to gather and would mow them down to “cleanse His Germany of the trash!” He chose women to breed with his prized troops to have “pure children” to carry on his “Master Plan”!!

        A potential dictator will cause things to happen that hurts and tears a country apart so that they will fight each other and gives the dictator the excuse to take away privileges (rights) that the people have “for their own protection and the protection of the country itself. Before the people realize it; they have NO RIGHTS LEFT AND NO PROTECTION AGAINST THIS ARMY BEHIND THE DICTATOR!!!! When the government foundation is destroyed our rights and freedom are destroyed as well!!

        A dictator will become outwardly very arrogant and demanding once he has frightened enough people who then think he will protect them!! He will until gets rid of our rights & then he will use force to keep the people in line!! Obama has ignored Congress and is getting way too used to using “Executive Privilege” to restrict the rights of the people, handing out money to other countries while we go further and further in debt, threatening to withhold our troops pay, social security payments and veterans benefits who have EARNED them, and flaunting a tragedy involving children in order to take our second amendment rights with the 1st amendment next in line, and finally the rest of our constitution because we have no way of protecting it any longer!

        A president should never be allowed the power to destroy our constitution or ignore it all together…..I think that is actually an impeachable crime against our nation as a whole and, if it isn’t it should be!! I certainly think that NO president can change any part of our Constitution with an excutive order!! It’s founders were very careful to protect it and it takes would take more then one person to change any part of it!!

    • joe1cr

      REMEMBER THIS WHEN YOU SEE OBAMA USING CHILDREN AS PROPS
      “The state must declare the child to be
      the most precious treasure of the people.
      As long as the government is perceived as
      working for the benefit of the children,
      the people will happily endure almost any
      curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation.”
      Mein Kampf, Adolf Hitler

      • tony newbill

        The signs are in our face regarding supply shortages that are coming .
        This is why the Governments are doing the dysfunctional dance that prophecies have labeled as ” History repeats itself !
        Its like a domino effect this food shortage thing , and it has led to societal dysfunction , conflicts and wars over and over through history and this time we have entered has no different meaning , Will Hay Be the Next Gold?

        http://www.agweb.com/livestock/dairy/blog/agdairy_market_update/?spMailingID=40863843&spUserID=Mzc4MzU1MTMwMjUS1&spJobID=175100613&spReportId=MTc1MTAwNjEzS0

      • tim

        Yeah the government is working for the children. So far the unborn each owe the gov’t 50,000 dollars. That’s the only thing the gov’t is doing is taking away thier freedoms and adding to thier debt!@!!!!!!!!!! Four more years of obama and he should have the next 3 generations in debt. The man is a POS who is there for his own pleasure. To party and get rid of his wife on her millions of dollars worth of vacations!!!!!!! They both enjoy having thier own slaves taking care of thier every need!!! Thier both racists, what more could you want for a president. besides one who is there for smaller gov’t and to balance the budget. And don’t forget ONE who will leave our freedoms alone. Especially our constitutions and the bill of rights. Leave us the fu(k alone!!!!!!!!

      • Vicki

        tim says:
        “Yeah the government is working for the children. So far the unborn each owe the gov’t 50,000 dollars.”

        And that is only counting the ones that will be allowed to be born.

    • John

      I wonder if Border Agent Brian Terry or Ambassador Christopher Stevens would agree that justice has been served ?? Oh wait, they did not look like Travon, nevermind.

    • http://yahoo.com hangman

      There is none so blind as one who will not see. You, are so (if you had one) brainwashed by that criminal and his henchmen, that you cannot see straight. On your #2 comment, if Obama was trying to disarm the criminally insane and not honest people, he would turn in ‘Crazy’;Joe (mentally challenged), and himself, (criminal gunrunner) , among other crimes.
      And your other comments make me believe that you are just as sick as the other leftists.
      By the way,while Obama is exploiting children to try to disarm America, he shows his true colors by endorsing the killing of thousands of unborn ones, and let us not forget, him sending millions of our dollars to China so they can have forced abortions . What a compassionate hypocrite..

      • moonbeam

        And don’t forget he is a narcissistic psychopath, a most dangerous type person.

    • TML

      Jeremy Leochner says, “1: I agree with you that Obama was wrong for using children as props.”

      Jeremy Leochner says, “8: Obama did not exploit a tragedy. He addressed it. He is trying to respond and prevent another such tragedy.”

      Care to elaborate on this apparent contradiction? The entire point of the matter is that all of his proposals do not directly reflect solutions which might have prevented the crime that has been at the forefront of pursuing the proposals. With that being the fact, it can only be concluded that the tragedy is being exploited and capitalized on to further gun control objectives that have existed prior to the incident.

      Jeremy Leochner says, “4: These ideas are not about stopping gun violence. There is no way to stop gun violence.”

      Jeremy Leochner says, “8: …At the same time he is recognizing the more pervasive problem of gun violence and gun dependence…”

      Can you also elaborate on this apparent contradiction? Is it about stopping the pervasive problem of gun violence, or is it not?
      Also, please define “gun dependence”.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        TML

        1: His use of children was to push his plan. However his plan was based on genuine desire to deal with a problem.

        2: Several of his proposals concern the mental health system in our country as well as helping schools prepare to deal with mass shootings. That seems like a direct solution.

        3: Its not about stopping it. Its about responding too it. We can never stop people from drinking and driving. However we do not simply lay down and accept it as a fact of life. We respond to it with a increased legal drinking age or tougher laws governing blood alcohol levels, creating liabilities for bar owners who serve drunks and launching public awareness campaigns to stigmatize the behavior. It is not a contradiction to opposes and address a problem that will never go away. There will always be evil. But that does not mean we sit back and accept evil whenever we see it.

        4: When I say gun dependence I am talking about this argument that somehow without a gun one is helpless. That somehow if one does not have a gun that they are slaves or subjects of government. That it is the gun and the gun only that protects us. This is an argument pushed by The NRA and be some on this site. I believe that many people are ignoring or under estimating the freedoms of the first amendment. And I believe people are under estimating non lethal forms of self defense in terms of protecting ones person from an attacker on the streets.

      • TML

        Jeremy Leochner says “1: His use of children was to push his plan. However his plan was based on genuine desire to deal with a problem.”

        Thus exploiting the tragedy.

        Jeremy Leochner says “2: Several of his proposals concern the mental health system in our country as well as helping schools prepare to deal with mass shootings. That seems like a direct solution.”

        And those things he proposed would ineffective in serving as solutions which might have prevented the crime. Armed guards aren’t the answer; they were not effective in Columbine and would cost the taxpayers even more money. And I hardly think asking doctors to snitch on their patience a real solution to the mental healthcare system.

        Jeremy Leochner says “3: Its not about stopping it. Its about responding too it. We can never stop people from drinking and driving. However we do not simply lay down and accept it as a fact of life. We respond to it with a increased legal drinking age or tougher laws governing blood alcohol levels, creating liabilities for bar owners who serve drunks and launching public awareness campaigns to stigmatize the behavior. It is not a contradiction to opposes and address a problem that will never go away. There will always be evil. But that does not mean we sit back and accept evil whenever we see it.”

        So you’re saying it’s more about just appeasing people with the ability to say, “hey, I tried”? I find your analogy interesting considering, none of those things concerned banning alcohol, or cars. Why then is it the gun that is targeted for limitations and outright bans? Doesn’t serve logic does it?

        Jeremy Leochner says “4: When I say gun dependence I am talking about this argument that somehow without a gun one is helpless. That somehow if one does not have a gun that they are slaves or subjects of government. That it is the gun and the gun only that protects us. This is an argument pushed by The NRA and be some on this site.”

        It is an argument that stand to reason. Think for a moment of a 250lb man who might attack a 100lb woman. The gun is the ONLY weapon that puts her on an equal field. And that is just the most practical example. It IS only the gun that can truly protect you. Yeah, go ahead and try one of those non-lethal defense products in the real world. OR better yet, study up on them and find that they are not always effective. A gun is like a parachute. If ever need one, and don’t have one, you won’t be needing one again.

    • AChuck

      “As we all know that those fears turned out to be misguided”? I would consider it PROVEN, Previously by his order to sign on to the UN disarmament treaty And now his order to congress to pass what amounts to confiscation. As in the communist “Blueprint for a Revolution” “First disarm the population, then arm the dissident group, (35 muslim training camps in the USA, the local cops denied the right to investigate?) after the communists are in power, disarm the “useful idiots” (they might discover what they have just done) Sort of like the “Contras”?

    • jdangiel

      What is constitutional to you may seem unconstitutional to me and vice versa. And that happens even when people are educated about the document. – 1. There is the original meanings of the document and intentions of its writers. The Constitution is not that fuzzy that it falls to what “I feel is constitutional” versus what “you feel is constitutional.” Constitutionality is not determined that way. It is actually fairly easy to determine. The left takes the fuzzy view of it, or sometimes just flips it over so the blank side is up, squints their eyes and imagine it says what they want, because it otherwise gets in their way. It isn’t the Bible.

      • Lyndia

        Amendment II
        Right to bear arms
        A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

        These are the words of the original 2nd Amendment and they seem to be to the point and I don’t see how they can be misunderstood….THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR RAMS, SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!!
        If the president and congress continue to chip away at it and take that right away, who is going to defend “the people” should some power hungry president decide to do the same with the rest of our rights?? The reasoning behind this amendment came about because the authors came to this country to escape the tyranny they had lived under in their home countries. They were very aware that it could happen in this country if the citizens were not provided with weapons to defend themselves against a corrupt government. The second amendment and the 1st amendment rights stand in the way of that happening….that is why a president with greedy ambitions would want to disable the 2nd amendment and the 1st amendment that gives us our freedom of speech, assembly and religion:

        Amendment I
        Freedoms, Petitions, Assembly
        Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

        Removing or Disabling, or minimizing those two amendments makes the American Citizens vulnerable against a corrupt government…who would be protecting you if the president suddenly decided to declare martial law with his “executive privileges”??? When people get too comfortable and trusting of a “giving” leader, that is generally when the people start losing their rights at a faster pace and along with that, their freedom!! When various groups of people start to believe that they have been given their rights to be openly different, there is usually always a heavy price to pay in the end because it’s generally the best way to track them!

        Hopefully this is just a scary story although it has happened in many other countries around the world! I have spent many years of research on countries that fell and how. Some have survived for many, many years; others fall very quickly. This country has lasted as long as it has because of some very wise men who took the time and effort to insure that the country’s citizens were protected and they were able to protect themselves. Slowly, government has been chipping away at our foundation (The Bill of Rights) and now this president is picking up the pace and it is rumored that he would like to place himself in for a third term or more!!

        Of course this is just my opinion and it won’t be worth much by most of you who appear to worship obama but I’ve put many years in my research and to me it all points to a very hard time in the fairly near future if people don’t come to their senses!

        • robbiefine@hotmail.com

          But it’s as part “of a well regulated militia”> You left that part out. Selling heavy weaponry to any jerk off the street is certainly NOT part of a well regulated militia. Please don’t ignore what the founders were thinking and what they wrote.

          • Lyndia

            I am assuming that this is the message that you are talking about and I am posting it again below since I believe I DID Have it posted right after the “Right to bear arms,,,in fact I cut and pasted it from a copy of the Bill of Rights!! IF YOU READ THE 2ND AMENDMENT PROPERLY, you would see that the “well regulated Milita” is necessary to the security of a “FREE STATE. The RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE (CITIZENS OF OUR COUNTRY) TO KEEP AND BEAR aRMS, SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED UPON!!!!! I believe that the States’ militia might perhaps be the larw enforcement agencies and/or the National Guards of each state. There is a PERIOD following ….of a free State.. Then comes….the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed!!
            Soooo…what part of that 2nd Amendment did I miss?????

            Lyndia says:

            January 26, 2013 at 1:40 pm

            Amendment II
            Right to bear arms
            A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

            These are the words of the original 2nd Amendment and they seem to be to the point and I don’t see how they can be misunderstood….THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR RAMS, SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!!
            If the president and congress continue to chip away at it and take that right away, who is going to defend “the people” should some power hungry president decide to do the same with the rest of our rights?? The reasoning behind this amendment came about because the authors came to this country to escape the tyranny they had lived under in their home countries. They were very aware that it could happen in this country if the citizens were not provided with weapons to defend themselves against a corrupt government. The second amendment and the 1st amendment rights stand in the way of that happening….that is why a president with greedy ambitions would want to disable the 2nd amendment and the 1st amendment that gives us our freedom of speech, assembly and religion:

            Amendment I
            Freedoms, Petitions, Assembly
            Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

            Removing or Disabling, or minimizing those two amendments makes the American Citizens vulnerable against a corrupt government…who would be protecting you if the president suddenly decided to declare martial law with his “executive privileges”??? When people get too comfortable and trusting of a “giving” leader, that is generally when the people start losing their rights at a faster pace and along with that, their freedom!! When various groups of people start to believe that they have been given their rights to be openly different, there is usually always a heavy price to pay in the end because it’s generally the best way to track them!

          • robbiefine@hotmail.com

            Look again. It’s a COMMA not a PERIOD.

          • Lyndia

            You very well may be correct although my copy of the 2nd amendment has a period. I have had this copy since 1959. Our teacher at the time taught us that the individual states’ militia was necessary to the security of each state and responsible for insuring the right of it’s citizens to keep & bear arms was not infringed.
            I apologize if I was wrong about the period/coma, but whether it is one or the other; I believe that the interpretation I have studied is correct since it is the same one that my teachers and instructors have all used throughout the years! If your interpretation was correct, I believe it simply have said that the militia has the right to keep and bear arms without infringement.

          • robbiefine@hotmail.com

            The Founders wrote what they meant and they most certainly used a COMMA not a period. And they used a comma because they were saying that the right to bear arms was for a well regulated militia The Founders were not the sort of folks who wanted any loonie off the street to be able to buy an assault weapon to blow away other citizens let alone children in a classroom. Language back in the 1700 was very flowery to be sure (and quite beautiful actually 0 but the meaning is clear if you read it properly. In any case loopholes will be closed, background checks will be made mandatory in all cases, ammo will be limited, and certain heavy weaponry hopefully will be taken off the shelves, and nut cases won’t be able to buy guns and you will still be able to have guns. These are reasonable restrictions just as we put restrictions on car ownership and operators of heavy machinery and on hundreds of other aspect of life where some danger is involved.

          • Lyndia

            A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

            I have cut and pasted the above from the internet and as you say there is a period. The amendment is pretty straight forwar,. even with the “coma”! I still disagree with you on your interpretation. Had the writers intended to limit the right to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed to be only intended for the “well-regulated militia”; would the 2nd amendment not have been clearly written that way? Perhaps as “A well-regulated milita, being necessary to the security of a free Statet, the right of the militia to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed”…..since the definition of “the people”, as written in the constitution, appears to mean ALL OF THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY and not simply “a well-regulated militia”??
            ,

          • R.F.

            Of course it is people who would be the members of a militia. The fact that this is one long sentence means it is all one idea with the right to bear arms going to people in a well regulated militia. The English language was simply spoken and written a bit differently a few centuries ago but the meaning is still clear. Probably all of the Declaration of Independence could be rewritten in a more straightforward way. To our modern ear it is almost poetry as is the Second Amendment.

          • Lyndia

            R.F.
            course it is people who would be the members of a militia. The fact that this is one long sentence means it is all one idea with the right to bear arms going to people in a well regulated militia. The English language was simply spoken and written a bit differently a few centuries ago but the meaning is still clear. Probably all of the Declaration of Independence could be rewritten in a more straightforward way. To our modern ear it is almost poetry as is the Second Amendment.

            I will post my message one more time:

            A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

            . If the writers had meant that the militia was the only ones that had the right to keep and bear arms, don’t you think they would have clearly written it as: “A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the militia to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed”?? Since….”the people” written within the constitution appears to mean ALL OF THE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTRY rather than limiting it to “a well-regulated militia” , I personally believe that they were careful to include “the people” to insure “all the people” the right to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed” and that is why it does not limit it to a militia. The states’ militias are basically controlled by a state’s government and the authors wanted to insure the citizens would always have a way of protecting themselves against a corrupt government of any kind…STATE OR FEDERAL!!

            I try to read things with an open mind and also keep in mind the context of the authors reason for writing what they do. In this case I believe they wrote the Constitution to protect ALL OF THE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTRY against government (federal or state) becoming corrupt and taking away the rights of “WE THE PEOPLE”. I certainly don’t believe that they wrote the Constitution to protect any government…they wrote it to LIMIT THE GOVERNMENT IN WHAT IT CAN DO!!

            Did you even read what YOU wrote??? (During the debates on the adoption of the Constitution, its opponents repeatedly charged that the Constitution as drafted would open the way to tyranny by the central government. Fresh in their minds was the memory of the British violation of civil rights before and during the Revolution. They demanded a “bill of rights” that would spell out the immunities of INDIVIDUAL CITIZENS. Several state conventions in their formal ratification of the Constitution asked for such amendments; others ratified the Constitution with the understanding that the amendments would be offered.) These are not my words, but came from a portion of an introduction to the Bill of Rights. THE 2ND AMENDMENT WAS WRITTEN TO PROTECT ALL OF THE CITIZENS’ RIGHTS TO DEFEND THESE FREEDOMS FROM A CORRUPT GOVERNMENT NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND!!!!

          • R. Fine

            I don’t have to speculate how otherwise the Founders might have written this, that, or the other thing. Fact is the entire Amendment is but one sentence containing one idea. Given the commas it is a compound sentence but one sentence none the less that notes that as part of a well regulated militia the people have a right to bear arms. The Founders were mainly aristocratic Englishmen who – and you see this in the wholeness of the two great documents – were extremely organized and particular and orderly in their thinking. If you honestly believe that their intention was for any Tom, Dick, or Harry – sane or insane – to be able to stock up on weaponry to blow away fellow citizens then good luck to you.

          • Lyndia

            I don’t have to speculate how otherwise the Founders might have written this, that, or the other thing. Fact is the entire Amendment is but one sentence containing one idea. Given the commas it is a compound sentence but one sentence none the less that notes that as part of a well regulated militia the people have a right to bear arms

            You can add your own interpretation to “the people”.. I choose to interpret “the people” as just what the people are: ALL CITIZENs and not just a Militia. I believe that had the authors meant to mean just the militia, they would have clearly said MILITIA….the authors wrote the Bill of Rights to protect ALL CITIZENS (including the militia/military/common citizens) against government tyranny which includes all forms of government!!!
            There is no point in me trying to explain any further since you very obivously have little knowledge of our Constitution/Bill of Rights which was written “BY THE PEOPLE, FOR THE PEOPLE” and not By the people for the government!! I do hope that you and the rest of the people of this country, never find out how truly wrong messing with the Bill of Rights, especially the 1st two amendments really will be!! Many in my family were not that fortunate!

          • R. Fine

            But the Founders DID write MILITIA. They wrote that as part of a well regulated MILITIA the people have a right to bear arms. But beyond all of this I’m seeing that some Americans have an ingrained fear of their fellow citizens.

          • Lyndia

            But the Founders DID write MILITIA. They wrote that as part of a well regulated MILITIA the people have a right to bear arms. But beyond all of this I’m seeing that some Americans have an ingrained fear of their fellow citizens.

            If you are saying that I have an ingrained fear of my fellow citizens…I Don’t but what I DO have is a fear of, is a corrupt government and ignorant people can’t understand the very basics of our Rights!! Your inability to comprehend that the Bill of Rights are to protect the ALL THE PEOPLE (Citizens) of this country against a corrupt governments that control the military & homeland security (State governments control the militia) and NOT the other way around is astonishing!!

          • robbiefine@hotmail.com

            The people you and your fellow citizens elect to administer the government ARE your fellow citizens and you really do fear them. Anyway, as Churchill said, democracy is the worst form of government… except for all the others.

          • http://clear.net Xmil-man

            Well I didn’t vote for Obummer and I believe that the government needs to be fearfull of us citizens as we have the power to stomp on them and vote the idiots out of office. But, you do realize that Obummer was not elected to his office the super PAC’s bought him that office. Sen. McCain back in 2009 that if Obama got into office he would spend us into the poor house and he has done just that and is still trying to do it even more now that he is back for another 4 years.

          • robbiefine@hotmail.com

            And if McCain had won we’d have had a total worldwide economic meltdown because he didn’t think much was wrong with the economy. Also if McCain had won the U.S. would have sent arms and military aid to the Syrian rebels who turn out to be Islamist fanatics who hate America and want to destroy Israel. Why is that folks in the GOP think that good qualifications for being president is having been captured and held in a POW camp?

  • Gary

    @ jermey
    Let us then lay this out so even a moron such as you can understand it. Adolf Hitler long before showing is real intent to the German people…disarmed then. And then began systamaticly killing all who would oppose him. As YOU don’t see what’s taking place right under that ignorant nose of yours, maybe you should think about whats going to come after…. just read history Jeremy, there all in there, disarm, take full control and then KILL everyone that stood in the way. If you are so stupid to belive that it will stops with the passage of this half witted attempt…. your dumber then you look and sound.

    • chocopot

      Gary -

      Hitler was just one of many tyrants to do that. Add Lenin, Mao, Castro, Pol Pot, and many others. It is very hard to engage in mass killings of your own citizens if the victims possess the means to fight back. History, for those who have knowledge of it, teaches us many valuable lessons.

    • eddie47d

      Nice of you all to continue to live in the dark side of human behavior. Heck the Aztecs had human sacrifices by the hundreds and not for very good reasons. Yet the human race moved on and that is not even remotely normal these days. The gun culture that you all endorse forces you to live in the past and its almost like you welcome it. If you want to live by the gun then you may die by the gun. Unfortunately because of this gun culture that is used to solve problems its usually the innocent who are inflicted. The Hatfield’s and McCoys proved that wide open gun possession can also get alot of folks killed. Then the authorities have to step in to stop the foolishness of the gun owners. The Second Amendment doesn’t give anyone the right to be reckless and Florida’s Stand Your Ground law opened up another can of worms and weak excuses for self defense. There has to be a balance between self defense and the wild west attitude of blowing people away.

      • Bill

        And don’t forget that Eddie said we should give up our guns because we owe the Chinese money

      • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

        Dear eddie47d,

        You write: “Heck the Aztecs had human sacrifices by the hundreds and not for very good reasons.” Please define “good reasons” for a human sacrifice.

        You write: “The gun culture that you all endorse forces you to live in the past and its almost like you welcome it.” Please explain how gun owners are forced to live in the past. What do you mean by this?

        You write: “If you want to live by the gun then you may die by the gun.” Red herring. Many people who do not own guns are killed by them. So what is your point?

        You write: “Unfortunately because of this gun culture that is used to solve problems its usually the innocent who are inflicted.” Pure conjecture. Please provide evidence to support this statement.

        You write: “The Hatfield’s and McCoys proved that wide open gun possession can also get alot of folks killed.” Non sequitur. Please provide evidence of a Hatfields and McCoys scenario outside of the mob in the 20s and gang bangers.

        You write: “The Second Amendment doesn’t give anyone the right to be reckless and Florida’s Stand Your Ground law opened up another can of worms and weak excuses for self defense. There has to be a balance between self defense and the wild west attitude of blowing people away.” Red herring.

        Best wishes,
        Bob

      • Hedgehog

        Good morning Eddie. It’s your favourite foreign troll again. You said:”the authorities have to step in to stop the foolishness of the gun owners.” That is precisely what the 2nd amendment is all about.The “authorities” don’t have the authority to “step in” without violating the constitution! Obama’s “authorities” have already stepped in it up to their foolish armpits and the BS is getting deeper all the time. In fact, Obama’s “authorities are in a de facto state of war and treason against the American people and the Constitution.

        As Charley says: “Impeach Obama now!”

      • http://gravatar.com/cbgard Carlucci

        Dear Bob Livingston,

        I applaud your efforts to try to pin eddie47d down with pertinent and rational questions, but I fear that is about as successful as trying to teach a pig to sing. It is a waste of your time, and it annoys the pig.

        P.S. Your newsletter rocks.

        • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

          Dear Carlucci,

          Thank you very much.

          Best wishes,
          Bob

      • Tom T

        The “Dark Side” you have flippantly called these other examples of gun confiscation happened in just the last 70 years, just a blip on the scale of human history. If you truly have the ” it can’t happen here” mentality my sympathies are with you. Keep in mind that progressives in the early 20th century ( like FDR, Kennedy, Lindburgh, Ford and Rockefeller) idolized both Hitler and Mussolini and treated them as rock stars. Keep in mind FDR asked for war against Japan only Germany declared war on us 3 days after his infamy speech.

      • eddie47d

        Your reply was no more than a “red herring” Bob. Most of my comment was self explanatory so your badgering my opinion is non sequitur. There are NO good reasons for human sacrifices and I implied that so that made your point pointless.

        • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

          Dear eddie47d,

          You write: “Most of my comment was self explanatory so your badgering my opinion is non sequitur.” Your comment was drivel. I was not “badgering” your opinion. I asked you for two definitions. I asked you two specific questions. I asked you to provide evidence to support two of your statements.

          You write: “There are NO good reasons for human sacrifices and I implied that so that made your point pointless.” That answers the first question I asked. You think you implied that answer but your statement was worded so that it left the implication there were good reasons for human sacrifice. Please be more careful in the way you express yourself to avoid confusing the reader. The other question, two definitions and facts to support two statements remain unaddressed. Please address them. Do not attempt to run away.

          Best wishes,
          Bob

      • eddie47d

        I say that gun owners misinterpret the Constitution all the time and use it as an excuse that anything goes. I doubt if the 2nd is that reckless in allowing that.

        • tony newbill

          Eddie next you will be asking the question of , ” Are you willing to give up your 2nd amendment right to keep your 1st and be able to express yourself while the Hierarchy rules you insane but because you are disarmed you can stay in general population out of lockup “

      • JeffH

        OMG! eddie with his own “false bravado”. Yeah eddie, that’s it…you really showed Bob L what for and put him in his place. Don’t let up while you have the upper hand, keep your boot on his neck.

        …and pigs can fly…

      • tim

        We should be able to defend ourselves no matter what. Are you saying some sob can stand out in the street and shoot us and we can’t do anything because he’s not on our property. This is the kind of crap lawyers like because people like you like to say that man in the street is not a threat. If he is threatening you in any way you should be able to blow him away!!!! You should be safe in your’e car and so should your’e property. Every state should have a full blown castle law like florida!!!!!!!!!!!

      • Vicki

        Bill says:
        “And don’t forget that Eddie said we should give up our guns because we owe the Chinese money”

        http://personalliberty.com/2013/01/19/obamas-gun-show/#comment-814692

      • eddie47d

        Bob; Why are gun owner forced to live in the past? Well they treat every incident like Bunker Hill or Concord when that reasoning is no longer there. The History is there to admire because we didn’t have a standing army at the time and citizens had to come together for their survival. We now have a standing army to do the internal defense for us. Some gun owners still live in the past and think we are still fighting the British and that we as individuals have to aid the government in fighting a foreign invasion. That hasn’t been true for over one hundred and fifty year and probably longer. Armed for self defense yes armed for foreign invasion is just an excuse for gun diehards and false heroics.

        • Lyndia

          The 2nd Amendment isn’t to make citizens into armies to defend the country, it is to insure that the people have a means to defend themselves against enemies, both foreign and domestic, including corruption within the governing body of this country!! For example: If you have a president who decides to send Homeland Security up against citizens within this country to forcefully take your guns illegally; the 2nd Amendment gives the citizens the right to defend themselves….at least that is how I read it and how the writers of it wrote to explain the 2nd amendment. The 1st and 2nd Amendments are so because of their importance of providing each and every citizen of these United States of America, the right to KEEP & BEAR ARMS to protect themselves against ANYONE, FOREIGN OR DOMESTIC (INCLUDING OUR GOVERNING BODIES FROM THE PRESIDENT ON DOWN)!!! The 2nd amendment also helps many to put food on the table and protect their homes.
          Once a government begins to tamper with either/both of these amendments, peoples’ fear will give them the edge they need to eliminate those amendments altogether as they build up Homeland Security Forces to insure that no one can fight them. Once the 1st & 2nd Amendments are gone, there is NOTHING THAT CAN STOP A TYRANICAL LEADER FROM GETTING RID OF THE CONSTITUTION/BILL OF RIGHTS.

        • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

          Dear eddie47d,

          You write: “Well they treat every incident like Bunker Hill or Concord when that reasoning is no longer there.” What incident? Please provide a source to show me one instance of treating “every incident like Bunker Hill or Concord.” I am not aware of a group of gun owners taking defensive positions against an approaching enemy–real or imagined–outside of some Civil War re-enactments.

          You write: “We now have a standing army to do the internal defense for us. Some gun owners still live in the past and think we are still fighting the British and that we as individuals have to aid the government in fighting a foreign invasion. That hasn’t been true for over one hundred and fifty year and probably longer. Armed for self defense yes armed for foreign invasion is just an excuse for gun diehards and false heroics.” Now we come to the crux of your ignorance. There is one need for guns you have overlooked. That is to protect us from our government. When governments have a “monopoly on legitimate violence,” as Jerrold Nadler puts it, history has shown that tyranny and democide result. P.S. Google democide.

          Best wishes,
          Bob

      • eddie47d

        Bob; Gun culture that everyone has to be armed . That school shooting in Houston today shows that the innocent get caught up in people insisting that they have a right to carry. Then insist they can shoot it out whenever necessary thus injuring innocents.

        • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

          Dear eddie47d,

          You write: “That school shooting in Houston today shows that the innocent get caught up in people insisting that they have a right to carry.” You are aware that that shooting was carried out as part of a gang dispute? It was two criminals shooting each other. Yes one person was caught in the crossfire. But it was the act of TWO CRIMINALS. Criminals do not obey laws.

          Best wishes,
          Bob

      • eddie47d

        Bob: Don’t attempt to run away”. You know me better than that! Maybe though you could do something about Ben Crystal throwing out Red Herrings each and everyday and triple on Saturdays. Some of his articles are beyond bizarre!

        • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

          Dear eddie47d,

          You are free to not read Ben’s articles or watch his videos if you are bothered by them.

          Best wishes,
          Bob

      • Vicki

        eddie47d writes:
        “Gun culture that everyone has to be armed.”

        That is the liberal wet dream and not reality. American gun culture is that everyone who CHOOSES to be armed, is. We do not demand that you have to carry a gun.

        (And in your case it is highly recommended that you don’t
        http://personalliberty.com/2013/01/22/aiming-for-failure/#comment-817235
        -eddie47d: “You make it seem like all guns are dangerous and the way you bring these events up maybe they are.”) MAYBE guns are dangerous?

        In spite of that we demand that you be allowed to carry one because it is your God (the one you don’t seem to believe in) given right to do so.

        Should you misuse that right as may be in your example in Houston (A Gun Free Zone so we know the story is a hoax) then you will be punished.

        What we most strongly object to is our being punished because you misused the tool (gun)
        That is also why I keep saying that

        ~300 MILLION AMERICANS (probably including you) DIDN’T SHOOT ANYONE.

        STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT

        STOP IT
        STOP IT NOW

      • eddie47d

        You are also free not to read my comments but you make sure that is done everyday. I think all you gave were a bunch of excuses yourself Bob.

      • Vicki

        eddie47d says:
        “Bob; Gun culture that everyone has to be armed . That school shooting in Houston today shows that the innocent get caught up in people insisting that they have a right to carry.”

        And what of these innocents that got caught up in people insisting that they have a right to feel safe?
        http://libertycrier.com/front-page/innocents-betrayed-genocide-by-gun-control-true-history-of-gun-confiscation/

    • Jeremy Leochner

      There is a slight problem Gary. Hitler did not disarm his people until 1938. He came to power in 1933 and was declared absolute ruler or Fuhrer within less than a year and a half. He revealed his true intentions long before he disarmed the people of Germany.

      • Bill

        Again, Jeremy
        You are making thing up to make yourself sound important. One of my life mentors is a concentration camp survivor, and he would beg to differ with you.

        So who should we believe: Someone who lived through it or a Union shill trying to push a marxist agenda (you)

      • Jeremy Leochner

        Bill With respect to your friend.

        The “Regulations Against Jews’ Possession of Weapons” was made law in November 1938-
        http://jpfo.org/filegen-n-z/NaziLawEnglish.htm

        http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcnazimyth.html

        The Enabling Act which granted Hitler and his “cabinet” the authority to introduce legislation without it first going through the Reichstag was passed in March 1933:

        http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/enabling_act_march_1933.htm

        Hitler “combined the offices of Reich Chancellor and President, declaring himself Führer and Reich Chancellor, or Reichsführer (Leader of the Reich). ” in August 1934 following the death of President Hindenburg:

        http://fcit.usf.edu/holocaust/timeline/nazifica.htm

        Hitler required the Armed forces to swear a personal oath of allegiance to him known as the Führereid in August 1934. From then on the Armed Forces of Germany became Hitlers personal body guard and tool.

        None of these events were made up by me. Hitler had revealed his true intentions and attained absolute power long before gun control was implemented in Germany. In fact in terms of Hitler giving away his game I can go back even further than 1933.

        Hitler first tried to take over Germany in an armed revolution in 1923:

        http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/beer_hall_putsch_of_1923.htm

        When he was arrested he wrote Mein Kampf in which he spelled out in no uncertain terms his views regarding the Jews and Democracy.

        In Mein Kampf Hitler wrote things like “the personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the living shape of the Jew.”-http://www.mosaisk.com/auschwitz/Adolf-Hitler-about-the-Jews.php

        In regards to democracy he wrote things like “The [Nazi party] should not become a constable of public opinion, but must dominate it. It must not become a servant of the masses, but their master!”-http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/Quotes-democracy.htm

        My point is gun control was not what allowed Hitler to attain power or begin committing genocide. Nor was it what gave away Hitlers true intentions.

  • hipshotpercusion

    “Those who would trade liberty for safety have neither.”— John Adams

    • Jeremy Leochner

      How are we giving up liberty by allowing the ATF to require gun dealers to conduct inventories to determine if theft or loss has taken place. How are we giving up our liberty by having a director appointed to lead the ATF. How are we giving up our liberty by strengthening law enforcement efforts to catch people who have stolen weapons and/or used them to commit crimes.

      • eddie47d

        When gun dealers get caught cooking the books its considered a low priority crime and seldom is anyone accountable. When guns go missing its not taken very seriously by the police until after the next crime is committed with those guns.

      • Buster the Anatolian

        “When gun dealers get caught cooking the books its considered a low priority crime and seldom is anyone accountable. When guns go missing its not taken very seriously by the police until after the next crime is committed with those guns.”

        Proof eddie proof. Your claiming it does not make it so. You go on about rouge (do you mean rogue?) gun dealers being a problem nation wide all the time but have offered proof of exactly ONE case.

      • JeffH

        eddie say “When gun dealers get caught cooking the books its considered a low priority crime and seldom is anyone accountable. When guns go missing its not taken very seriously by the police until after the next crime is committed with those guns.”

        WOW, this guy knows everything…I guess that explains why he’s so smart!

        Yeah, and pigs can fly too.

      • eddie47d

        Your proof that pigs can fly Jeff H!

      • MexicansaysLibtardsRPukes

        And eddie47donkey! is going crackers! Yep Libtards can fly off the handle!

      • JeffH

        Hey dummy, they can’t and you’re not!

  • Morgan

    I wonder how many children have written to the President about the 3900 abortions a day that take place. Newtown pales in comparison and there is no outrage about that and no parading children as props to promote a Marxist Agenda. This is not about gun control or the screening of the unfit, it is about control and control of the many people, the 300,000,000 that did not take a gun and kill.. Perhaps the apathy of the many that fail to understand the ‘wrongness” of Abortion is what has poisoned our moral fiber making these atrocities as frequent as they are. No more God in school, No God at every turn and you wonder why these souls kill? are you stupid?.

    • chocopot

      As I try to explain to people: the key word in the phrase “gun control” is not “gun,” it is “control.” Never forget that – it will be at your own peril if you do.

    • Karolyn

      It is impossible to take God out of anything. God is in everything. If children are raised with so little faith that they have to have God preached in school, it is a problem with the upbringing.

      • Lillian

        The problem with your argument is that school is where these children spend the majority of their day. They are indoctrinated to believe that what their parents tell them is ignorant and are often given classes that violate their parents’ religious beliefs. Furthermore, the parents you speak of are the ones who were reared without God in the schools. Their faith is as solid as quicksand. They send their kids to school to learn everything so they are not obliged to teach them. They expect the schools to educate their children in all aspects. Some may send their kids to CCD but these classes are taught mainly by lay people who, although most are well intentioned, don’t really know much about their faith. If God is given 1-2 hours of our life a week while the culture and its agenda are given the remainding 166, how can we expect these kids to think God is a priority. You are quite right though.Faith needs to be taught first and foremost in the home. However, it needs to be nurtured in ALL other avenues of life. If a seed is planted and not watered religiously (pun intended), it will wither and die. If we believe, as Hillary boasts, that it takes a nation to raise a child, what kind of child are we raising without the presence of God? We are not just content to remove him from all aspect of life but we have gone so far as to spew venom at the very mention of his name. God is our anchor. Without him, we are all doomed. “As for me and my house, We shall serve the Lord.”

      • steve

        it is the supreme court and the governments fault for allowing abortion. the bible doesn’t say thou shall not kill except for abortion. man made the rule not god. man has no right to change god’s rules . they will pay dearly for this.

      • S.C.Murf

        Big K what happened to you being your own god, are you going to take yourself out of yourself? Remember you don’t believe in God our Father, stay on track girl or you are going to confuse yourself, but then you can take yourself out of yourself and un-confuse you?

        up the hill
        airborne

      • robbiefine@hotmail.com

        Who created God?

    • Lillian

      well said. You are spot on!!!

    • eddie47d

      Almost all states have CONTROLS on abortions and even fewer are an instant act without any thought put into it. Some states have longer waiting periods for an abortion than there is in procuring a gun. There are also those gun owners who demand that everyone has to have a weapon. No one who is seeking an abortion is ever going to tell you you have to get one. Name one person who has demanded that you get an abortion within your personal life. The anti abortionist have for years paraded children in their protests. They have cute pictures of babies and lots of pictures of fetuses to get their point across. To say they don’t use children to advance their “agenda” is being coyly facetious. I don’t approve of abortion in my family yet the anti-abortionists want to CONTROL every aspect of other peoples lives.

      • Vicki

        eddie47d writes:
        “I don’t approve of abortion in my family yet the anti-abortionists want to CONTROL every aspect of other peoples lives.”

        False. Pro-Life people want murder to stop. Abortion is legalized murder. The rights of the child to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness is rather significantly infringed. What good to them is the Bill of Rights or 14th amendment if they are not alive to be free and pursue happiness?

      • eddie47d

        That is an opinion by you Vickie and you also have a right to your beliefs.

      • Vicki

        eddie47d says:
        “That is an opinion by you Vickie and you also have a right to your beliefs.”

        Which part, and be specific, do you think is an opinion?

      • eddie47d

        Now that’s a lame question because nearly everything you say is an OPINION!

      • Lyndia

        There is a far better answer to legalizing full term (or any) abortions which in reality is rewarding women for their careless “romp in the hay! There are so many ways to protect themselves from getting pregnant rather then killing their child because they themselves were too careless to use the alternatives. I don’t believe in aborting a child to cover the mother’s “urges” although in some cases such as rape, or endangering a mother’s health, that circumstances would make exceptions for. The ONLY circumstance I can see that a full term abortion should be even considered, is if the mother is in mortal danger and would not survive a normal or C-section delivery! When a woman gets pregnant, her body may be hers but it is also baby’s protection until birth…it’s the mother’s responsibility to keep the baby safe inside the womb!!
        Some people in this country want to get rid of guns because they might kill someone, yet find nothing wrong with doctors murdering a tiny helpless human being, who could well survive and live a healthy life if removed from a womb in the later months of pregnacy….the lack of morals in this country are truely deteriorating fast in this country!!

  • Gary

    I left this part out and thought I should add it. Lets look at who obama is…. and then also remember he surrounded himself with others kids to make his point.
    1st- he has voted for EVERY stance on abortions, from 1 week out to 9 months. He could care less about kids, unless they serve his purpose. The people of this country have bought in on the biggest snake oil salesman ever, even Bill Clinton, the pervert wasn’t as much of one as this fool.
    But then not using the “cilluns’ wouldn’t have made his alter children(meaning voters) bow and pray to his greatness now would it. He can have my guns when he comes alone to take them.

    • JTB

      Gary, very well said. Obama is a coward don’t ever forget that. He talks a big show but all the while he’s hiding behind Valerie Jarrett! He doesn’t do anything without her approval. She’s running the show she and Soros!

    • Ron

      Obama should get a NRA medal for being responsible for having the most gun sales in one month in the history of the USA. We should thank him, I know I am happy about it and I know most people who believe in the Constitution are.

      • mark

        I agree Ron. And of course the NRA is a federal government organization. It has zero independence and works hand in glove with the feds. I can’t believe how naive Libertarians, conservatives, and others on these sites are when it comes to this charade that the NRA puts on about being an independent outfit. The NRA is a federal government-front organization. It routinely gives its entire list of members, addresses, phone numbers, number of guns, etc. to the federal government on a regular basis, helping to identify so many committed gun owners for federal security forces. But all the dupes and suckers fall for this dog and pony show that Wayne La Pierre (a Frenchman and longtime secret UN, NWO supporter) and the others put on railing against Obama and the “gun grabbers.” In reality of course, the NRA works for Obama, its leadership cooperating closely with him on a daily basis. I can’t believe that so many posters on this blog who are so good at catching all the conspiracies of our federal government continually fall for this one. The independent NRA! What a joke. They all probably believe that Lee Harvey Oswald killed President Kennedy, too. All one can do is laugh.

      • Bill

        This could be the one factor that could unite the people against the progressives. We need another 2010 type landslide in the senate so we can ty the hands of Obama before he runs us further in the toilet

    • eddie47d

      Gary and others have turned this into an abortion issue because they can’t stay focused. Well it does make it all interesting to say the least. Abortion is a personal decision so I’m not sure why Gary thinks he can tell his neighbor what to do in their personal lives. Will Gary and others feed his neighbors child if they can’t afford it? I doubt it! They may give a few bucks to the homeless shelter where their previous neighbor may be living. They have to make the choice of paying rent or feeding the child that Gary FORCED them to have through HIS new laws. Gary’s wife is of coarse on birth CONTROL and now doesn’t have to worry about becoming pregnant .Yet he can smugly demand CONTROL of his neighbors decision.

      • tony newbill

        we will stand shoulder to shoulder with our county sheriffs and defeat the usurping of our second amendment right to defend against enemies foreign and domestic !
        Our county Sheriff says no to usurping of our second amendment .
        http://cspoa.org/sheriffs-gun-rights/

      • Hedgehog

        Eddie, no species has ever been fruitful, multiplied and replenished he earth by the wholesale slaughter of its own young!

        • tony newbill

          The Global Elite are on their Mission to save Earth from Overpopulation with Depopulation using technicians like abortion shielding its effects behind the idea that its a personal right of both father and mother . And Gun control is a must if you want to get really aggressive with the tactics of population control and free market control .
          The USA has to be Fundamentally transformed first in order to lead the rest of the world forward into the New World Order of Control of Consumption and once the rate of Consumption is controlled by Governments instead of free markets then the longevity of life can be further controlled beyond abortion and birth control .
          The Elite of the world feel they are doing a service to humanity while opening the cracks of freedoms support structure to allow our self reliance and independence to fail .
          Pushing back on this trend will require the truth about supply shortages to become the topic of debate in the world , and we better be willing to sustain the sovereignty of our nations first before we continue to seek internationally a economic future , and I think Wall Street is keeping we the people from being able to take control of our nations monetary policy that can change the way we direct and appropriate the funding of our Economic functions because they do not want to lose their global economic reach , but this collapse is coming and it is coming through the currency war that the wall street idiots are escalating with the Money they keep demanding the Government and federal Reserve are printing and feeding into the wall street sector called the 2 big to fail . But its all just paper that the foreign suppliers the wall street idiots are feeding this paper to are not wanting to keep taking .

      • Wellarmed

        Eddie47d it is rare when I can find an area of agreement with you, it is a one in a million chance when I can agree with your statement in it’s entirety. A woman in the position of terminating her pregnancy is a decision that she alone needs to make between herself and her God.

        Good Christians should leave the judgements of these women to the higher power that they profess to believe in.

        I do not support abortion, and I do not disavow abortion, but I can understand the position of Christians not wanting to pay for a medical process that they consider genocide. Or for the Catholic Church to pay for contraception that they view as denying the will of their maker.

        Doctors should be able to exclude themselves from performing abortions if they have moral objections to this procedure with the only exception being in the rare case when the mothers life is at stake if the procedure is not performed.

        It is Hypocritical of our fellow Americans to profess freedom in all it’s forms and yet attempt to enforce their beliefs and will upon others, particularly when a child is raped or molested by a relative or family friend. Their can be no greater injustice than to force a child to carry to term the spawn not of their own making. Maybe men would have a different perspective if we had reproductive organs.

        I find it fascinating that you know the definition of what a hypocrite is?

      • JeffH

        eddie says “Gary and others have turned this into an abortion issue because they can’t stay focused.” Must have learned that from you!

        Yeah, right! Ain’t that a classic case of the pot calling the kettle…and pigs can fly.

      • S.C.Murf

        Fast eddie how ya doin? Hey bud we already feed them its called food stamps and housing assistance and free schooling etc, etc, etc. Don’t worry its going to snow and you’ll get my drift, I do hope and pray

        up the hill
        airborne

      • Vicki

        wellarmed says:
        “A woman in the position of terminating her pregnancy is a decision that she alone needs to make between herself and her God.”

        Is this your feeling when a murderer is in the position of terminating his victim?

        - wellarmed: “Good Christians should leave the judgements of these women to the higher power that they profess to believe in. ”

        I would think that good Christians would have insisted that the women not do things that get them pregnant. Oh wait.

      • eddie47d

        As a woman Vickie should know that is nearly impossible to avoid pregnancies all the time even for married couples so how can they be stopped with teenagers or those who are raped.

      • Vicki

        eddie47d says:
        “As a woman Vickie should know that is nearly impossible to avoid pregnancies all the time even for married couples”

        There is a well known solution that is ~99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999% effective. And according to atheists it is 100% effective.

        - eddie47d: “so how can they be stopped with teenagers…”

        If you don’t know the answer to that I hope you don’t have children.

        – eddie47d: “….or those who are raped.”

        For rapists we have this solution
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DO42gUPdwk&list=UUu465OmQ-C9FveNHXCDtFdw&index=38

      • Vicki

        And here is another good solution to the rapist problem.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYF8Z7rZ050&list=UUu465OmQ-C9FveNHXCDtFdw

      • Vicki

        I found yet another good solution to the rapist problem.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2gCFOtaZPo

      • Lyndia

        You seem to be defending the government taking guns away from people “because guns kill people” (including children) yet, also defend the right of mothers who want to kill their babies (babies in late term pregnancies can in most cases, survive outside the womb), basically because you MIGHT happen to have to support them??? I believe that you could be termed a very real hypocrite…more concerned about it costing YOU money to help that tiny life live out life as he/she has the right to as a human being…just as you and I are doing now!!!!

    • John

      Now Gary don’t be to hard on “barry the liar”. What can you expect ? From his birth to age 18 he was dragged to and from various welfare and student aid agencies by his mother, that is when she was not husband hunting and teaching barry play the multi-racial card. When barry was on his own (Age 18) he applied for a loan (Grant) to attend college as “barry sotero the poor indonesian muslim boy”. When that money ran out he morphed back into barack obama the multiracial in need of assistance and he has a race card (Again). He ran for state senate as a Kenyan born American (Race Card). Then ran for federal senator as once again multi-racial. When he was elected he magically morphed into the nations first black president. After spending all that time as a welfare chamelion I would be confused also

  • Sarah

    Jeremy Leochner
    2. He is not trying to disarm law abiding Americans. He is trying to prevent those with criminal records or mental illness from getting arms. Uh, excuse me. Criminals do not follow the rules. There is no way you can disarm them. And regarding mental illness lets just say Obama and his Administration has labeled The Tea Party as a bunch of right-winged nutjobs. Right-winged crazies. That alone would give him enough reason to take all our guns from us.

    6. Fascism is taking away all rights and destroying the right to keep and bear arms. Isn’t that what he is doing right now? Little by little, if we let him. he will accomplish his goal but we’re not going to let him.

    7. Those fears did not turn out to be misguided. He is in the process of trying to take away our guns by rewriting our second amendment.

  • Don

    In 2001, 179 soccer fans died from rioting. What we need is an Obama executive order banning soccer.

    • Bill

      Good comment, Don
      Where is the outrage from all of the progressive posters about this horrific problem.

    • eddie47d

      All deaths are tragic even in car accidents or at soccer stadiums. Soccer fans didn’t go to the game to die and that usually involves panic. Someone who uses a gun knows that a gun can and does kill yet they choose to use it anyway! Some of you apparently will never know the difference and are hunting for your own excuses.

      • http://www.sweetsalesgirl.com/Kuurus/ Charles Johnson

        Yes Eddie those who use guns to kill other people know that the gun is going to kill that other person. Sometimes that death is justified as for instance in the cop who shoots and kills a man who is trying to shoot other people, or the cop shoots and kills the criminal who is trying to shoot and kill him, or the homeowner that shoots someone because they broken into his house at 2 o’clock in the morning and he has no connection to their intent other than to harm him. You you and those like you who do not understand the Second Amendment’s intent of defending ourselves against the government, or who believe that the government cannot be defended against by less than another government, truly need to wake up!

      • Don

        O.K. eddie, because you libs have no sense of humor and are always angry about something, I take back what I said about banning soccer. What I really meant to say was that we need an executive order banning eddie47d.

      • Bill

        Don, I see we got Eddie outraged over the horiffic soccer deaths. Now we just need to get a polititian on the bandwagen and maybe we can get soccer banned

      • eddie47d

        Good luck with that Don but I do know someone who has done that and you may know him well! LOL!

    • mark

      Five U.S. citizens were shot in accidents during last Saturday’s Gun Appreciation Day. You can’t make some of this stuff up. Thank God, none of them died.

      • JeffH

        Yeah, that’s correct. All 3 incidents were the result of 3 individuals that did not follow basic gun safety rules…no excuse can be made for them. Simply put they were stupid.

        But take note. No one was killed and none of the shooters were convicted criminals, had illegally procured weapons, no children were involved and the venues of each incident were not in “gun free zones”.

        There was an estimated 1,000,000 or more participants on “gun appreciation day”. Unfortunately these 3 unsafe incidents will overshadow the million or so that did practice good gun safety.

      • Vicki

        mark says:
        “Five U.S. citizens were shot in accidents during last Saturday’s Gun Appreciation Day. You can’t make some of this stuff up. Thank God, none of them died.”

        Indeed. And be sure to thank God that on that same day

        ~300 MILLION AMERICANS DID NOT SHOOT ANYONE even by accident.

        STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT.

        STOP IT
        STOP IT NOW

      • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

        Dear mark,

        You write: “Five U.S. citizens were shot in accidents during last Saturday’s Gun Appreciation Day.” Note they were accidents. There have also been car accidents at car shows. http://bangshift.com/blog/nightmare-photos-lady-crashed-lexus-into-car-show-wrecks-show-cars.html It seems the owners were careless in the handling of their firearms. Also note there were no deliberate shootings at the gun shows. So what is your point?

        Best wishes,
        Bob

  • http://carlwk3c carlwk3c

    “The urge to save humanity is always a FALSE front for the urge to rule it.” –American writer H. L. Mencken (1880-1956)

    Those who do not view armed self defense as a basic human right, IGNORE the mass graves of those who died on their knees at the hands of tyrants.

    Feinstein, Schumer, Obama, Holder, Bloomberg, and their whole gang are tyrant wannabes. To them, anyone who does, or might, oppose their control over every aspect of our lives, is “a criminal” because they said so.

    To quote a few of their heroes, with explanatory comments in ( ):

    “Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.” – Mao
    (They revere Mao and the way he ruthlessly grabbed power in China. The fact that he murdered about 100 million Chinese to do it is, to them, a “feature,” not a “bug.”)

    “If the opposition disarms, well and good. If it refuses to disarm, we shall disarm it ourselves. … The only real power comes out of a long rifle. … Everyone imposes his own system as far as his army can reach. … We don’t let them have ideas. Why would we let them have guns? … The death of one man is a tragedy. The death of millions is a statistic.” — Joseph Stalin

    “The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed the subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty.” — Adolf Hitler
    (These psychopathic sociopaths in our government – and THEY ARE PRECISELY THAT, never make the mistake of doubting it – believe that they are anointed to be our rulers and that we are the equivalent of Hitler’s “subject races.”)

    THOSE are the reasons why, and the sort of people who want to, disarm us.

    These same people through DHS and other alphabet agencies have recently purchased over 1.5 BILLION rounds of ammo – enough to shoot every man, woman, and child in the country 3-4 times – ammo that’s illegal for military use under international law. Considering that you and I and all of the other US taxpayers are paying for all of this ammo, it’s frighteningly reminiscent of the story of political prisoners’ families being forced to pay for the bullets used to execute them … isn’t it?

    If we allow these leftist control freaks to ignore and ultimately gut the 2nd Amendment, history will inevitably repeat itself. These “gun control” proposals have NOTHING to do with preventing crime, but EVERYTHING to do with CONTROL.

    Hitler disarmed the Jews and others, then murdered about 15 million.
    Stalin disarmed the Russians, them murdered about 40 million.
    Mao disarmed the Chinese peasants, then murdered nearly 100 million.
    The Turks disarmed the Armenians, then murdered 1.5-2 million.
    Pol Pot disarmed the Cambodians and murdered millions.
    Rwanda disarmed its ethnic groups, then murdered millions.
    The list goes on … over 170 million people murdered BY THEIR OWN GOVERNMENTS in the 20th century – AFTER they allowed those governments disarmed them.

    They ALL thought “It can’t happen here” – until they were disarmed and it started, then it was too late. Don’t make the same mistake. Don’t EVER let your government disarm you.

    The Founders knew that government, if not constrained at every step, will continue to accumulate power and control until it becomes tyranny. That’s why they feared standing armies and insisted that the “right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”

    “Never forget, even for an instant, that the one and only reason anybody has for taking your gun away is to make you weaker than he is, so he can do something to you that you wouldn’t let him do if you were equipped to prevent it. This goes for burglars, muggers, and rapists, and even more so for policemen, bureaucrats, and politicians.” – Aaron Zelmanm

    • chocopot

      Carl -

      Simply outstanding.

      I particularly like this comment you made: “Feinstein, Schumer, Obama, Holder, Bloomberg, and their whole gang are tyrant wannabes. To them, anyone who does, or might, oppose their control over every aspect of our lives, is “a criminal” because they said so.” This bunch and all too many others are what I refer to as the self-anointed elite. They think that everyone is so far beneath them that no one should have any rights but them. In another day and age, they would have been ardent supporters of feudalism, with them the lords of the manor and everyone else the serfs/slaves who exist only to serve them, the masters. As far as I am concerned, they are all guilty of treason and should be treated accordingly.

      • tony newbill

        Treason cannot be enforced unless a majority in congress bring the issue to the forefront and thats why we have no rule of law today that our government is suppose to follow and run our government under .
        They are allowing the collapse to happen slowly and with this lack of enforcement is allowing the slow and steady collapse of the financial and economic system of the Private sector as they run on debt while this takes place .

        DOES ANYONE HAVE A IDEA WHY ????

        The answer lies in the Presidents Speech yesterday , to many people on earth emitting CO2 thats contributing to Climate Change is what he was Really saying on behave of the DAVOS Elite who are calling for a 14 TRILLION Dollar Climate Change Initiative !!!
        I wonder what kind of Jobs Building What kinds of Things this will entail ???

      • http://carlwk3c carlwk3c

        Chocolate … It’s not about another time. Their goal is total control now. Modern feudalism with them as the “lords of the manor” TODAY. It’s time we make it clear to them that we will NOT be serfs.

    • mark

      “Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.” – Mao. This sounds like the NRA motto to me. I did not know that he was one of their heroes. Then again he did have the same attitude as Davey Crockett.

      • http://carlwk3c carlwk3c

        Idiot troll!

      • http://carlwk3c carlwk3c

        “If ye love wealth better than liberty,
        the tranquility of servitude
        better than the animating contest of freedom,
        go home from us in peace.
        We ask not your counsels or your arms.
        Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you.
        May your chains set lightly upon you,
        and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”
        - Samuel Adams

      • mark

        carlwk3c, your quote from Sam Adams is almost exactly word for word what Palestinian and Iraqi terrorist leaders have said to their young people everyday at recruitment meetings for years. Afghani terror leaders do the same today in their country. These teen-age Muslims have followed that counsel of Sam Adams and killed thousands of American GIs and Israeli soldiers.

      • mark

        carlwk3c, you already are serfs. The NRA, right-wing hate radio, and their corporate masters pull you around like poodles on a leech with a ring between your nose. They call the tune and you dance to it. They manipulate you as easily a kindergarten teacher strings along a gaggle of five-year-olds. No matter what nonsense they spout, you just parrot it back like trained seals.

      • JeffH

        mark, mark, mark, you have nothing to fear but fear itself.

        The NRA is widely recognized today as a major political force and as America’s foremost defender of Second Amendment rights, the NRA has, since its inception, been the premier firearms education organization in the world.

        The NRA Foundation raises millions of dollars to fund gun safety and educational projects of benefit to the general public that benefit a variety of American constituencies, including youths, women, hunters, competitive shooters, gun collectors, law enforcement agents and persons with physical disabilities.

        This quote from former Clinton spokesman George Stephanopoulos pretty much sums it up, “Let me make one small vote for the NRA. They’re good citizens. They call their Congressmen. They write. They vote. They contribute. And they get what they want over time.”

      • mark

        Oh, c’mon JeffH, how can you be so naive? The NRA is a federal government-front organization that supplies the feds with the names, addresses, emails, phone numbers and gun info of all its members. It’s a perfect set-up that so many gullible Americans fall for. They’re in cahoots with Obama. How can you be so credulous? Don’t you know what our government is capable of? All the false flag, clandestine, and duplicitous operations they have pulled off in the past and continue to today? The false companies and identities they have established over the years? Next you’ll be telling me that the U.S. Post Office is not a part of the UN, when they have been working with that organization and other international agencies for decades, now. That friendly postman who comes to your door everyday with your mail? What information do you think he is funneling about your location, habits, mail, guns, lay-out of your house to both federal and UN authorities. Wake up, America! Don’t you know what your own federal government and its NWO allies are up to every waking minute of every single day. They are plotting the complete destruction of the American people and through your apathy and simple-minded acceptance, you are aiding and abetting this criminal conspiracy, the greatest and most insidious on record in the annals of Man. I mean, don’t you read any of Bob Livingston and these other patriots’ columns?

      • JeffH

        mark, mark, mark, yes I’m getting a better idea of what our government is capable of every day thanks in part to the Freedom of Information Act and the invention of the internet and computers. I certainly couldn’t depend on gathering such information from the MSM on TV or in newsprint.

        Are you suggesting that I should cancel my NRA membership?

        By the way, did you know that 300 MILLION AMERICANS DID NOT ASSAULT ANYONE USING ANY FIREARM.

        ~300 MILLION Americans DIDN’T SHOOT anyone AT ALL. Not even by accident.”

        Join us in telling them to STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT and join the NRA, GOA, SAF.

      • Bill

        Mark,
        There is a saying that fits you; “If you keep your mouth shut, they only think you are stupid. But when you open your mouth, they really know you are stupid”

    • Wellarmed

      Thank you for the comments carlwk3c. I agree with the historical accuracy of the data that you have presented. Millions will die if and when the American People are ever disarmed.

      I mean no disrespect by questioning your figures but I live by the principle of trusting nothing one hears and half of what one sees. I would like to find the source of the 1.5 Billion rounds that the government has purchased and verify and cross check that data before I can accept it as Gospel.

      If you or any of the other commentators can post a link. I will do my best to verify on and off the internet the validity of the those claims.

      Thank You

      • Vicki
      • http://www.facebook.com/carl.stevenson.98 Carl Stevenson

        It’s all from publicly available government procurement notices on the web … I don’t have a link handy, and there are multiple procurements over the past year, but the total last I knew was up to about 1.8 billion rounds. Hundreds of millions or rounds of .40 S&W hollow points, hundreds of million rounds of 223/5.56, and a bunch of .308, with a bit of .357 SIG, but not nearly as much. The vast majority is the .40 S&W and .223/5.556.

      • http://www.facebook.com/carl.stevenson.98 Carl Stevenson

        Here’s another with some embedded links to more data …

        http://www.businessinsider.com/dhs-fletc-ammunition-purchases-750-million-200-million-40-caliber-rounds-2013-1

        If you dig you can find the total procurements are in line with what I said.
        It’s enough ammo to shoot every man, woman, and child in the US about 5 times or more. The 750 million round procurement is about 10 times the total ammo expended by our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan in a full year of fighting … since hollowpoints are illegal in warfare under international treaty, who are they planning to shoot with all of it?
        Nobody with a single rational brain cell could believe that it’s possible for them to use that amount for “training.”

      • Vicki

        “Nobody with a single rational brain cell could believe that it’s possible for them to use that amount for “training.”

        Besides training with hollow point’s is a waste of good money (not that government has ever been good about saving money)

      • http://carlwk3c carlwk3c

        It’s all available on the government procurement site, though it looks like they’re starting to redact figures on new solicitations since people started paying attention.
        Try poking around on http://fob.gov

  • http://yahoo Don

    eddy47, you sound like a real hothead who trys to for what you think on everyone. you come acroo as very forceful. you think noone should have weapons because the killing woud continue. i posess weapons and i don’t think i could kill any one. ti do some hunting adnd some minimal target practicing to work on accuracy of my guns. you’ probly say i could become a sniper. my guns sit in the closet most of the year. i also hunt deer with a crossbow. you seem to hit a bit too excessivly on vickie. why do you go so heavily on everyoen who has a different agenda than you. i find it irritating. would you please mellow it down a little. its kind like not being liked. do you work hard at that.

    • Bill

      Hi Don,
      A few days ago, Eddie made a post about the Chinese suggesting we need gun control. And he basically said that we need to turn in our guns because we owe the Chinese money

      He will lie and say anything to promote gun confiscation. Just ignore him, he is not worth wasting your energy on

    • eddie47d

      Don: I hit heavy on Vickie because she hits even heavier on me. Nothing more than a natural reaction to her repetitive mocking. “I think no one should have weapons” . Now I see the problem you just lied about something I never said. I strongly defend the right of every single person to be able to defend themselves. I have said that dozens of times so why would you say something that is not true. I do support the limiting the capacity of ammo magazines and the militarization of civilians. I have also stated that police should have some of their weapons taken away too and to stop acting like the Gestapo.

      • Bill

        That is pure BS, Eddie.
        You push for gun control at every other sentence

        Especially the one where you said we should give up our guns because we owe the Chines money

      • Vicki

        Bill says:
        “That is pure BS, Eddie.
        You push for gun control at every other sentence

        Especially the one where you said we should give up our guns because we owe the Chines money”

        Here is where he made that comment.
        http://personalliberty.com/2013/01/19/obamas-gun-show/#comment-814692

      • Vicki

        eddie47d says:
        “I strongly defend the right of every single person to be able to defend themselves. I have said that dozens of times so why would you say something that is not true.”

        Probably because you have said it dozens of times. And you also say things like:
        “The Second Amendment doesn’t give anyone the right to be reckless and Florida’s Stand Your Ground law opened up another can of worms and weak excuses for self defense.”
        http://personalliberty.com/2013/01/22/aiming-for-failure/#comment-817138

        – eddie47d: “I do support the limiting the capacity of ammo magazines and the militarization of civilians.”

        So if eddie does support self defense (as he claims) he wants to control what tools you use.
        There it is again. That desire to CONTROL innocent people.

        - eddie47d: “I have also stated that police should have some of their weapons taken away too and to stop acting like the Gestapo.”

        Here we have a bit of consistency that he wants to control what tools the police can use too.
        And in a rare moment of agreement with conservatives, he claims to want the police to protect and serve instead of rule.

      • eddie47d

        I haven’t changed one bit about what I say about gun control and yes I do believe in gun control AND the right for one to defend themselves. It wasn’t any different yesterday and it won’t be any different tomorrow.

      • phideaux

        “… yes I do believe in gun control AND the right for one to defend themselves.”

        Yeah eddie you just do not believe people have the right to defend themselves with guns.
        What are they supposed to use hammers, knives, phone books?

      • Vicki

        eddie47d writes:
        “I haven’t changed one bit about what I say about gun control”

        We know eddie. We are just pointing out the cognitive dissonance new readers might feel after reading what you say.

    • eddie47d

      Your a flat out liar BILL. I didn’t say that either and this is about the 12th time you have repeated that bogus BS. What I said was that the Chinese are worried about all the gun deaths in America and that they will have fewer citizens to pay back that debt. It wasn’t a very serious statement to begin with and more sarcasm that anything. You trying to turn it in to anything else makes you a shill propagandist for the insane.

      • tony newbill

        Eddie they don’t need you and me and all the people to pay back the Chinese so their depopulation plans with restrictive medical care through financial attrition coupled with a lack of economic growth that can advance and increase the value of supply expansion is not needed either all a contributing fundamental to a Bolsheviks style method of using supply shortages to reduce human growth is a system designed by the UN Agenda 21 policy , and this is to ONLY be the benefit of the globalist elite and their families that You Are Wholeheartedly Supporting like a fool instead of questioning and combining your efforts with like minded citizens !!!! You and I and the average Joe are not included in the plan of utopian earth comrade . Heres how the Chinese are being compensated for the unsustainable debt our Feds are racking up .
        The next False Flag event is a Currency war that will final the collapse of Wall Street financial systems and with it our Liberties . Our need to restore the monetary policy that was our Founders desires to keep liberty alive is em,eminent .

        http://www.wnd.com/2013/01/obama-lets-chinese-own-u-s-energy-resources/

      • JeffH

        No eddie, it is you that is and has been a flat out liar.

        You clearly defended the Communist Chinese governments offer to help the Obama administration take away American’s guns.

        Bill says:
        “But Don’t forget that Eddie made a statement that we should not have guns because we owe money to the Chinese and they want their money”

        Here is where he said it.
        http://personalliberty.com/2013/01/19/obamas-gun-show/#comment-814692

        eddie47d esponded:
        January 19, 2013 at 9:42 am
        Maybe China has a right to be nervous with our debt increasing and that they may not get paid back. Considering all the gun deaths in America they may also be concerned about fewer Americans will be there to help pay off that debt. aka: You can’t squeeze blood out of a dead turnip.

      • Bill

        Don’t get your panties in a twist, Eddie, I am only quoting you

      • eddie47d

        Tony; The Elites” that I wholeheartedly support”. Now I know you are an educated idiot !

      • eddie47d

        I would have put Jeff H and Bill in the same comment Tony but it’s obvious neither is educated.

      • JeffH

        Bill, Ditto that! :)

      • MexicansaysLibtardsRPukes

        Gringo eddie47donkey continues to have a meltdown! Great comedy!

  • ibcamn

    How come in all of Obama’s talks that it’s guns,i have not heard a peep about the latest shooting,kid killing his family(i heard with a revolver),or the kid with the shotgun?!and a shooting that happened a while back in Wisconsin,a police officer killing his wife then going on a yet further killing spree using his issued weapons?!or how the national guard went in to the Hurracane Katrena area in places where it was dry and people were still living and Obama ordered them(the police and guards) to confiscate everyone’s weapons at force?!even an elderly lady protecting herself of looters?!Obama can’t get his head out of his a$$ because of his ears or what??this law he crammed down our throats is just the start of him disarming everyone of us at gunpoint(via the military)and the police will be right next to them helping to do it!!Obama and his henchmen only have four years to destroy America,that’s why he’s doing it this way!(did you see the look on his face at the day of mourning?Obama’s smirk and the ugly creepy smile on the mrs.?…)

    • eddie47d

      IBCAMN: All you are doing is highlighting the various gun violence scenarios that Americans have to deal with. You make it seem like all guns are dangerous and the way you bring these events up maybe they are. Your making the picture even larger for folks to contemplate and maybe the need for more gun control. If there are so many reckless people with guns committing those bad situations then guns might be part of the problem too!

      • Vicki

        eddie47d says:
        “You make it seem like all guns are dangerous and the way you bring these events up maybe they are.”

        Maybe guns are dangerous? Eddie do us all a favor and STAY AWAY FROM GUNS.

        Meanwhile with all those dangerous (yes tools are dangerous) guns out there

        ~300 MILLION AMERICANS DID NOT SHOOT ANYONE.

        STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT.

        STOP IT
        STOP IT NOW

      • eddie47d

        You’ve been shooting your mouth off Vickie and you may reach that 300 million number soon!

      • JeffH

        eddie having a meltdown doesn’t alter the fact that ~300 MILLION AMERICANS DID NOT SHOOT ANYONE.

        STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT.

        STOP IT
        STOP IT NOW

      • Vicki

        eddie47d says:
        “You’ve been shooting your mouth off Vickie and you may reach that 300 million number soon!”

        Not by myself but working on getting 300 MILLION of us to tell the anti-Gun crowd to

        STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT for the acts of a few.

        STOP IT
        STOP IT NOW

    • Larry K.

      THERE IS GOING TO BE ALOT OF DEAD SOLDIERS AND POLICE OFFICERS WHEN OBUMMER HAS THEM OUT CONFISCATING ALL OUR WEAPONS

      • JeffH

        How do we know they would follow such orders in the first place. They also took an oath. Note that they aren’t all lawyers and politicians which means some or most of them may actually honor and believe in the oath they took to protect against all enemies “foreign and domestic”.

  • securityman

    I’m with you. I spent too much time defending this country in an unpopular war and I, for one, will hang on to my guns to (somebody’s ) last breath.

  • Adolf Schmidt

    Even if Obama passes every plan he has in mind, it will save very few children from such tragic events! There are 10.5 million under age drinkers that result in 5000 deaths annually! There are 3000 under aged children that become addicted to tobacco every day! The point I’m trying to make is these laws have little effect on protecting our children! Guns will get into the hands of the wrong people regardless of the laws or bans that will be imposed. What needs to be addressed is what are we going to do the next time a lunatic walks into a school with a gun! We could wait the average 19 minutes for law enforcement to arrive while our children huddle in a corner with there teacher. It’s hard to believe our commander and chief has over looked this point!

    • Bill

      Hi Adolf
      The answer is to fight fire with fire

    • eddie47d

      Adolph;There are thousands of people trying to correct the problems of underage drinking and teenage smoking. Look how many years it took to convince the tobacco industry it was killing people and they still lied and denied it for a couple of decades. Now we have stricter laws at liquor stores also to keep teenagers from waltzing in and saying they are buying it for their parents. No different than having gun laws to keep weapons from falling into the wrong hands. As with everything in life you can’t stop all problems from happening but its one way to fight fire with fire!.

      • Wellarmed

        I find it interesting that you hold the opinion that tobacco smokers were all killed by big wigs at the head of Phillip Morris. The last time I checked no one was holding a gun to any ones head who just purchased the pack of cigarettes in front of me in 7 eleven.

        Americans as a free people are entitled to kill themselves in a second or over the course of twenty years through smoking cancer sticks. It was the FDA and our elected officials that allowed the tobacco industry to be excluded from disclosing what chemicals their product was laced with and continues to put in their products.

        It is the current relationship between lobbyists and our elected officials that still allow this to be perpetuated to this day. The FDA should have been on its game and found a way to compel the tobacco industry to merely disclose what harmful chemicals are used in the creation of their product that would allow the consumer to decide if it is in their best interest to take up the habit of smoking or to quit.

        Government has no business attempting to ban the smoking of cigarettes, nor should we the people have allowed these scum bags to create sin taxes which can target any product or industry with destruction based on the whim’s of whoever may be in office at the time.

        The power to tax is the power to destroy!

      • eddie47d

        The tobacco industry was asked for decades to reveal what was in their products. All they proved was that corporate dishonesty was prevalent no matter who was lied to.

  • Dave67

    Did Mr Crystal read the proposals that Obama put forth? Obviously not. Most of it has nothing to do with restricting guns whatsoever.

    When a GOP president signed the assult weapons ban the first time around where was Mr Crystal and the rest of the 2nd Amendment twisters?

    Mr Crystal and the rest of the right wing conservative nutball’s hatred of Obama has taken all of them way out past left field and into the bizarro zone where common sense measure that MOST OF AMERICA supports is now an all out attack on the Second Amendment.

    Their precious NRA spent the 1990′s using the gun nuts in Congress to effectively stop the enforcement of the gun laws that were on the books so when they lie and say we should enforce the laws already on the books, you know they are full of horse crap.

    As Obama has said and hets missed here in right wing loonland, Its not just about gun control, its about this country’s attitudes towards violence and its glorification, its about properly treating those with mental illness (many who write for this blog and who follow these hucksters hook line and sinker could use that kind of help) and its about allowing law enforcement to have the proper tools to fight the violence and put the people who commit the crimes in jail.

    But you won’t hear about those pieces of the proposals from scumbags like Wayne LaPierre who only cares about his 6 figure salary and power on Capitol Hill as more people die. How else can he sell that fear he does so well? He needs more people to die for his membership to maintain and god forbid anyone try and deal with the issues in a reasonable manor, Big mouth Wayne will charge that you want to take away everyone’s gun. Which is the farthest thing from the truth.

    But when do conservatives care about the truth anyways?

    • gunner

      Do some research Dave. The 1994 assault weapons bill was passed by Congress in September, 1994 and signed by PRESIDENT BILL CLINTON the same day.

      • JeffH

        gunner, it’s only a lie if you get caught. Good catch!

  • http://WilliamKnight yahoo.com

    IN THE 1990′S BARRY SOTO AKA BARACK H OBAMA/ MADE THE STATEMENT THAT THE ONLY REASON ANYBODY NEEDED A FIREARM WAS TO HUNT AND TARGET PRACTICE. THEN AS A SENATOR BANNED GUNS IN CHICAGO BECAUSE HE DQSEN’T BELIEVE IN DEFENDING YOURSELF OR YOUR FAMILY OR ANYONE ELSE. HIPPOCRITE/ MUSLIM/ MARXIEST.

    • eddie47d

      Yahoo is another member of the Insane Clown Posse. You contradicted yourself but you’re so rabid you probably didn’t notice. If you have a weapon to hunt or a weapon to target practice then you distinctly have a weapon to defend yourself!

      • tony newbill

        Hey Eddie if the Globalist elite that want to depopulate the earth to save it from too many people now emitting to much CO2 and destroying their ECO system get our guns away from us will you then think people are insane when they oppose your views ????

      • eddie47d

        I think half of your comments are insane Tony and the other half are valid. Does that make you only half crazy!

        • tony newbill

          eddie give me the examples of insane comments please ?

      • eddie47d

        Your above comment is about half right and half wrong now that was easy!

      • JeffH

        Tony, although it is not your comment, I’d like to give you an example of an insane comment.

        eddie says “Yahoo is another member of the Insane Clown Posse. You contradicted yourself but you’re so rabid you probably didn’t notice. If you have a weapon to hunt or a weapon to target practice then you distinctly have a weapon to defend yourself!”

      • eddie47d

        No Jeff the liar that is a fact you can take to the bank!

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

    If laws were enough to prevent criminal-behavior prisons would be empty. The latest effort to “control” guns in America is as likely to stop someone intent on breaking the law as outlawing “lust” would affect one’s libido. What’s in a heart can’t be controlled by restricting what’s in a hand. The loss of liberty always begins at the extremes, but it won’t stop there. Left-wing control-freaks, won’t be satisfied with outlawing one type of gun. They have forgotten that, In 1995, Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) told “60 Minutes,” “If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States, for an outright ban, picking up (every gun) … Mr. and Mrs. America, turn ‘em all in. I would have done it…” In 2004, when he was an Illinois state senator, Barack Obama (VOTED AGAINST A BILL THAT AFFIRMS THE RIGHT OF CITIZENS TO DEFEND THEMSELVES AGAINST HOME INVASIONS). Thankfully, the bill ultimately passed!

    The Sandy Hook shooter reportedly stopped killing children and killed himself when law enforcement officers arrived on the scene. This contains no lesson for the gun control idiots, which mostly opposes armed guards in schools. Neither does it matter to the gun-control-idiots that recently a Georgia woman, Melinda Herman, shot an intruder when police couldn’t get to her home quickly enough, thus defending her life and the lives of her two children.

    To gun-control-idiots, guns decide whether they are used for good or evil, not the people who fire them. But, to be sure…gun-control isn’t about controlling guns. Gun-control, is about controlling people!

    What I find interesting is that the fascists love to use the word “control” alot.. Now who uses the term “control” alot here?

    Oh… thats right… left-wing progressives do…Very revealing!

    • eddie47d

      You are mixing ideologies by saying you don’t have the right to defend yourself. One of the constant lies we hear around your propaganda table. You push that propaganda to the extremes and some of you use the Gun Free Zones to further your agenda. There is no such thing as a gun free zone where someone in the school can’t be armed. That is one of those urban legends and is totally false! Columbine was a gun free zone and they had two armed guards. (maybe not very good ones). What gun free zones means …so listen up is that students can’t bring any weapons into school and if they do they will be expelled and not allowed to return. Obviously those armed guards at Columbine didn’t take it serious enough but hopefully lessons were learned about their duties. There is nothing that says schools can’t have security and that is up to the local districts.

      • http://www.sweetsalesgirl.com/Kuurus/ Charles Johnson

        Eddie, you take away a 5 foot to 100 pound woman’s pistol and that 5 foot nine 200 pound man might as well be given at pistol because he’s is unstoppable to her as if she was shot. In Chicago the innocent don’t have guns but the criminals do. This is what we end up with when gun control goes to far, and any government attempt to disarm the people is to far.

      • eddie47d

        That may be true but then you should be stopping all the illegal gun running into Chicago and other places.

  • http://goggle Dale sorenson

    Birds of a feather flock together……I see a lot of feathers floating around that got pulled
    out by the other side of the problem (each side of the aisle)THEN. when all the feathers are on the floor …….we can see each other’s Butt—not pretty but kinda sad.’nuff said..D

  • Hedgehog

    I have a question. From what Obama is saying and doing, I am getting the nasty feeling that he is a MULLAH, not a Marxist. Is anyone else getting this feeling,or am I having a brain fart?

    • mark

      Hedgehog, you’re having a brain fart. In your case. it’s chronic.

    • S.C.Murf

      Hey Hedge I truly hope it’s not a right brain fart, wouldn’t wish him on anyone.

      up the hill
      airborne

  • Ken10

    At gun shows this past week five people were accidentally shot. So what does this mean?

    • Vicki

      It means that
      ~300 MILLION AMERICANS DID NOT SHOOT ANYONE.

      STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT.

      STOP IT
      STOP IT NOW

    • JeffH

      Accidents happen? Kinda like the reported 86 car and truck pileup(accident)in Ohio that killed a 12 year old child and injured 20.

      Shouldn’t there be some new “common sense” legislation passed that bans “car pileups” to protect the children?

      FYI, did you know that 300 MILLION AMERICANS DID NOT ASSAULT ANYONE USING ANY FIREARM.

      ~300 MILLION Americans DIDN’T SHOOT anyone AT ALL. Not even by accident.

      Join us in telling them to STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT

      STOP IT

      STOP IT NOW

      • eddie47d

        Jeff still doesn’t know the difference between a car and a gun. No wonder he is always so confused .

      • MexicansaysLibtardsRPukes

        No Libtard 47donkey! You are confused! Facts hurts your tiny little mind! Enjoy your meltdown!

      • JeffH

        If eddie didn’t always say stupid things like “Jeff still doesn’t know the difference between a car and a gun. No wonder he is always so confused .” we might not call him stupid.

        No wonder he’s always been stupid!

      • Vicki

        eddie47d says:
        “Jeff still doesn’t know the difference between a car and a gun. No wonder he is always so confused .”

        Jeff clearly knows the difference between them. He also knows that guns (even scary looking ones) don’t kill people.

        Here is video proof.
        http://personalliberty.com/2013/01/23/do-guns-kill-people-pistol-shotgun-assault-rifle-put-to-the-test/

      • Motov

        In the United States, more than 700 lives are lost each year in arson-related fires. Although, fire officials often try to measure the cost of arson using statistics, such as lives lost or dollars lost, the actual cost involves several factors that are more difficult to measure (change in neighborhood, environment, etc.) Arson fires in a neighborhood can have a significant impact on property values of all structures in the area.

        We also need match control, can’t allow loony-toons carry a bic lighter, in fact every bic lighter should have serial numbers so they can track them.
        Matches were invented to start fires, So we need regulations to control matches!

        To say guns kill people, would be the same as saying matches cause arson, and pencils are blamed for spelling errors.

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

      Ken10: At gun shows this past week five people were accidentally shot. So what does this mean?

      Sources? Or did you just pull that one out of your azz?

      • JeffH

        Jay, actually that is the report. Five people were injured on Saturday by 3 accidental shootings at gun shows in Indiana, North Carolina, and Ohio.

        Rea http://www.enstarz.com/articles/11938/20130120/accident-at-gun-show-five-injured-in-three-states-on-same-day.htm#THjGyxqhtXrIwj7G.99

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        That’s unfortunate, JeffH. Thanks for that, btw!

      • Vicki

        5 out of ~300 MILLION. Pretty good odds that it WON’T happen to us. But I bet the progressives are already planning a law.

      • JeffH

        Jay, yes it was unfortunate and very preventable.

        The fortunate side of it is that no one was killed, no children were killed, the guns were legal, no “assault rifle” was responsible and the gun accidents did not take place in a “gun free zone”.

      • Vicki

        To avoid the accidents described there are several things to do. The ONE most important one is to NEVER POINT the gun at something you do not intend to shoot.

        You can fail ALL the others. The ammo fairy can sneak a round into the chamber. As long as you NEVER break that one rule you will NEVER shoot someone. How often can you find a rule that is 100% effective?

      • JeffH

        Vicki, treat every gun as if it is loaded and never ever point a gun at anyody unless you intend to use it. Follow these two basic and simple rules and you’ll never have a gun accident.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Vicki talks about “ammo fairies”? Lord love a duck, Vicki—-you are deluded.

      • Vicki

        Right Brain Thinker says:
        “Vicki talks about “ammo fairies”? Lord love a duck, Vicki—-you are deluded.”

        If you do not know of the ammo faeries, Please, NEVER EVER even touch a gun. Your posterity with thank you.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        I’ll say it again, Vicki

        Vicki talks about “ammo fairies?
        Lord love a duck, Vicki—-you are deluded.

        Your delusion leads you to blithely and casually dismiss as an “inconvenient truth” the fact that there are many deaths and injuries involving guns every year. Instead, you keep blindly chanting your ~300 AMERICANS BS in an attempt to drown out any rational discussion about the gun problem and “common sense” gun regulation.

        Have you ever served, Vicki? Do you hunt and/or target shoot? Do you have guns in the house for “protection”? Have you handled many guns, Vicki? You really don’t sound like it to me—-your comments are one-note songs that really DO seem to come off a list of “things to say” rather than from any deep-seated knowledge of guns or involvement with them.

        In order to be of any use, a gun must be loaded, it must be accessible when needed—-not unloaded, locked in a gun cabinet, or fitted with a trigger lock—and many “law-abiding” Americans are even breaking some laws by NOT doing those things. So, guns are “around”, and often in a “instantly usable” state, and thereby contribute to the statistics that I am going to SHOUT in the future at you every time you throw the 300 AMERICANS at us If I’m around that is—unlike you, I don’t spend all my time here shilling for the NRA, because that seems to be your major area of interest on PLD and what your mission is. I give permission for anyone else to use them and ask that they do so in my absence—-if Vicki can throw ~300 BS at us hundreds of times, we are certainly entitled to do the same to her.

        I most definitely know about gun accidents, Vicki, and have been involved in several, but they were not caused by any “ammo faeries”, but by HUMANS. I nearly shot my own foot off with a 20 ga.when I was maybe 14—an unfortunate combination of a very cold day and gloves, a not fully engaged safety, and a finger too near the trigger—-kid mistakes—-and nothing like having a smoking hole big enough to drop a beer can into appear only 3 inches away from your foot. From that day forward, I was VERY safety conscious. Nearly got shot by a buddy who was doing a “Cheney” and swinging on a bird. We stopped going to the public hunting areas in NJ because they were too crowded and there were too many close calls—-got showered with twigs from shots going over my head once too often. When I was even younger, maybe 12, my 17-year-old cousin managed to fire a BB gun in such a way that a BB ended up between my eyeball and eyelid, but it barely bruised me—a pink eye for a few days was all.. Guardian angels are good to have.

        The best example was when I nearly got shot by another Marine on the rifle range. Our relay had just finished firing, we were all standing there in the position—-facing starboard, rifle on left hip pointing down-range and up at a 45 degree angle, bolts on our EMPTY M-1′s locked back. A range DI was walking the line checking weapons when the guy to my left (behind me) swung to his right to talk to the guy behind him, thereby swinging his rifle over my head, got his finger on the trigger somehow (when it was not supposed to be anywhere near it), squeezed the trigger and fired a round of .30-06 AP directly over my head from his EMPTY rifle. Not a single “ammo fairy” around—-just a fool that shouldn’t have been given a gun. The nearest DI jumped him, took his rifle away, cussed up a storm, and started slapping him around I stood there with my ears ringing as some other range DI’s came running to check me out and help slap the fool around—they were ANGRY and they weren’t faking it as they often did (and the shame of it was they got in some trouble over that because there happened to be too many officers around who saw it). The DI’s were relieved that they didn’t have to fill out any paperwork over my brains being blown out—-one of them told me that he saw the whole thing but it happened so fast he couldn’t react in time—he thinks that the round went 2 or 3 feet over my head. My guardian angels saved me again.

        So take your crap about “Please, NEVER EVER even touch a gun. Your posterity with thank you”, put it under your posteriority, and sit on it.

        THERE ARE ~30,000 GUN DEATHS A YEAR IN THE U.S. .
        NEARLY 2/3 OF THEM ARE SUICIDES
        THERE ARE ~11,000 GUN HOMICIDES EACH YEAR IN THE U.S.
        THERE ARE ~600 ACCIDENTAL GUN DEATHS A YEAR IN THE U.S.
        MANY IF NOT MOST OF THEM ARE CHILDREN
        THERE ARE ~200,000 GUN-RELATED INJURIES A YEAR IN THE U.S.
        STOP TRYING TO DENY THERE’S A PROBLEM
        STOP TRYING TO DENY THAT GUNS ARE A FACTOR
        STOP TRYING TO SAY COMMON SENSE REGULATION MEANS GUN CONFISCATION
        STOP TRYING TO DISTRACT US WITH ~300 AMERICANS
        STOP IT
        STOP IT NOW

  • Keith

    Remember that OBAMA killed 186 children in his drone attacks. There will be another mass killing in the next 4 years and he will say that enough is enough and use everything he can get away with to ban guns. Do you realize that a bill has been introduced by the democrats to eliminate the term limits for president?

    • eddie47d

      Bush killed about 20,000 children in Iraq so what is your point on top of the other 125,000 adults killed. Reagan’s policies killed many more thousands of children in Central America. FDR/Truman caused the death of thousands of children so your message is no more than hatred for Obama and not rational.

      • Charlie

        eddie47d,,,
        You’re doing a great job of stirring the pot,,,keep up the entertainment … Now we know what the “d” stands for and also why RBT only uses half his brain…
        But to prove you have some intelligence , tell us , where ,in The Bible was a “missile” used to kill a man ? Hint : 1 Samuel but what chapter?…. Meanwhile……………..
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

        Charlie Freedom

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

    Is Obama a Sociopath, a Psychopath or a Combination of the two? You be the judge

    I’m thinking we have a mixed bag?

    Profile of a Psychopath
    A number of mind-controlling cult leaders may exhibit many of the behavioral characteristics of a sociopath–an outstanding ability to charm and seduce followers. Since they appear apparently normal, they are not easily recognizable as deviant or disturbed. Although only a trained professional can make a diagnosis of whether or not someone is a sociopath, it is important to be able to recognize the personality type in order to avoid further abuse. These traits also apply to a one-on-one cultic relationship.

    -Glibness/Superficial Charm
    Language can be used without effort by them to confuse and convince their audience. Captivating storytellers that exude self-confidence, they can spin a web that intrigues others. Since they are persuasive, they have the capacity to destroy their critics verbally or emotionally. Personifies the above

    -Manipulative and Conning
    They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They dominate and humiliate their victims.Sure doesn’t give a damn about our Constitutional rights.

    -Grandiose Sense of Self
    Feels entitled to certain things as “their right.” Craves adulation and attendance. Must be the center of attention with their own fantasies as the “spokesman for God,” “enlightened,” “leader of humankind,” etc. Creates an us-versus-them mentality The Absolute Poster Child.

    -Pathological Lying
    Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and able to pass lie detector tests. Watch his lips move. What did he promise, what has he accomplished?

    -Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
    A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way. He hates whites, and wealth producing individuals.

    -Shallow Emotions
    When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion, it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.

    -Incapacity for Love
    While they talk about “God’s love” they are unable to give or receive it. Since they do not believe in the genuineness of their followers’ love, they are very harsh in testing it from their devotees and expect them to feel guilt for their failings. Expects unconditional surrender. Not seeing much kissey face huggy bod between this two in public.

    -Need for Stimulation
    Living on the edge, yet testing the beliefs of their followers with bizarre rules, punishments and behaviors. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal. The former fits like a silk jacket, the latter we have not been privy to.

    -Callousness/Lack of Empathy
    Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others’ feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them. Their skills are used to exploit, abuse and exert power. Since the follower cannot believe their leader would callously hurt them, they rationalize the behavior as necessary for their (or the group’s) own “good” and deny the abuse. When devotees become aware of the exploitation it feels like a “spiritual rape” to them. Think wounder soldiers for photo op,

    -Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature
    Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others. The followers only see them as near perfect. Last sentence seems to apply.

    -Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency
    Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet “gets by” by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc. Read his books, where he discusses smoking, smoking marijauan, and crack-cocaine.

    -Irresponsibility/Unreliability
    Not concerned about wrecking others’ lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blame their followers or others outside their group. Blame reinforces passivity and obedience and produces guilt, shame, terror and conformity in the followers. Well if this doesn’t cover his entire agenda what does?

    -Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity
    Totalist leaders frequently practice promiscuity, child sexual abuse, rape and sexual acting out of all sorts. This is usually kept hidden from all but the inner circle. Stringent sexual control of their followers, such as forced breakups and divorces, removal of children from parents, rules for dating, etc. See alleged happenings with Larry Sinclaire

    -Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle
    Tends to move around a lot or makes all encompassing promises for the future. Many groups claim as their goal world-domination or other utopian promises. Great contrast between the leader’s opulent lifestyle and the followers’ impoverishment. Support by gifts and donations from the followers who are pressured to give through fear and guilt.
    Highly sensitive to their own pain and health. Last paragraph fits to a tee!

    -Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility
    Changes their image and that of the group as needed to avoid prosecution and to increase income and to recruit a range of members. Is able to adapt or relocate as needed to preserve the group. Can resurface later with a new name, a new front group
    and a new twist on the scam. -Posted by jcscuba

    • Dave67

      Can you please cite examples of Obama’s behavior under these examples you give Jay?

      Of course conservatives are perfect human beings… Just look at Reagan, Bush 2…

  • Gary

    Let me be perfectly clear…. 911 doesn’t work to stop crime most if the time.
    The Criminal Justice System Is Not the Solution to All Public Safety Problems
    When fear of crime is on the rise, the public reflexively turns to its
    police to “do something about it.” Commonly, the “something” the
    public demands is for police to crack down by boosting arrests. And
    while calls for police to crack down might satisfy citizens’ need to
    express their frustration and condemnation of a situation they perceive
    to be out of control, not all police crackdowns prove as effective as one
    might hope; occasionally, they create their own civic problems.
    The criminal justice system lacks both the capacity and the expertise
    necessary to effectively address all public safety concerns. Its important safeguards designed to ensure due process and protect defendants’
    civil liberties help render the criminal justice system ill-suited for high volume
    business.

  • http://personallibertydigest mark

    first of all this gun thing with your presadent is if he disarm’s the people he can come in with his marshal law that is his plan it has nouthing to do with the school shooting’s . the idiot liberal’s are to dumb to understand it.it makes me feel sory for all of those lost soul’s some time in the future they might come up with a brain tranceplant for week mind’s

    • tony newbill

      Hey whats up with this ??????????? http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/341776

      • Vicki

        And this set of videos raises the question
        “Is it actually an accident that all of these bits of evidence that Sandy Hook was staged got out to the public.”
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwZmqd2kQ6o (1/4)

        Meaning in essence the people who made SH happen (presumes it was staged) WANTED to release the evidence to distract.

        I.E. There are multiple levels of conspiracy. Watching Mission Impossible and other who done it’s over the years gives rise to interesting scenarios.

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

    “MERE words cannot match the depths of your sorrow, nor can they heal your wounded hearts … These tragedies must end. And to end them, we must change.” Every parent can connect with what President Barack Obama said about the murder of 20 children in Newtown, Connecticut. There can scarcely be a person on earth with access to the media who is untouched by the grief of the people of that town.

    It must follow that what applies to the children murdered there by a deranged young man also applies to the children murdered in Pakistan by a sombre American president. These children are just as important, just as real, just as deserving of the world’s concern.

    Yet there are no presidential speeches or presidential tears for them, no pictures on the front pages of the world’s newspapers, no interviews with grieving relatives, no minute analysis of what happened and why.

    If the victims of Mr Obama’s drone strikes are mentioned by the state at all, they are discussed in terms which suggest that they are less than human.

    The people who operate the drones, Rolling Stone magazine reports, describe their casualties as “bug splats”, “since viewing the body through a grainy-green video image gives the sense of an insect being crushed”.

    Or they are reduced to vegetation: justifying the drone war, Obama’s counter-terrorism adviser Bruce Riedel explained that “you’ve got to mow the lawn all the time. The minute you stop mowing, the grass is going to grow back”.

    Like George Bush’s government in Iraq, Obama’s administration neither documents nor acknowledges the civilian casualties of the CIA’s drone strikes in Pakistan. But a report by the law schools at Stanford and New York universities suggests that during the first three years of his time in office, the 259 strikes for which he is ultimately responsible killed between 297 and 569 civilians, of whom at least 64 were children.

    These are figures extracted from credible reports: there may be more which have not been fully documented.

    The wider effects on the children of the region have been devastating. Many have been withdrawn from school because of fears that large gatherings of any kind are being targeted.

    http://dawn.com/2012/12/19/no-obama-tears-for-children-killed-by-drones-in-pakistan/

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

    On December 14th 2012 in Newtown, Connecticut, a well-to-do white town 100 km north of New York, 20 schoolchildren were gunned down. Within hours President Obama appeared on television:

    The majority of those who died today were children – beautiful little kids between the ages of five and ten years old. They had their entire lives ahead of them – birthdays, graduations, weddings, kids of their own.

    For the first time since his grandmother passed away four years ago, he teared up in public. Two days later he named each one at the vigil.

    He has yet to name or publicly tear up over the 97 (or more) children he has killed with his drones and cruise missiles – equal to almost five Newtowns. Killings which the United Nations calls “indiscriminate” and which his own computers call “bug splat”. He kills whoever he likes. Even Americans. He answers to no one.

    No. One.

    He uses drones to send Hellfire missiles not just at military targets but at houses, schools, restaurants and bakeries. He sends them during Ramadan. He sends them during funerals. He sends them after you have prayed. He sends them after you protest against drones. He sends them when you are with your grandmother. He sends them if you come to help the dying and wounded from the first missile, even if it is your father, mother, sister, brother, cousin.

    OBAMA DOES NOT PUBLICLY NAME THE CHILDREN HE HAS KILLED. Apparently because their lives do not matter to him. Apparently because they are not beautiful. Apparently because they do not have birthdays. Apparently because they are not Real People Whose Lives Matter. Apparently because they are not well-to-do White American children.

    Fortunately, about half the list of children Obama has killed can be pieced together from news reports:

    date: name, age, nationality

    2009-01-23: Azaz-ur-Rehman, 14, Pakistani
    2009-02-14: Noor Syed, 8, Pakistani
    2009-08-11: Ibad Ullah, teenager, Pakistani
    2009-08-11: Mohammad Arif, teenager, Pakistani
    2009-08-11: Abdul Qadeer, teenager, Pakistani
    2009-08-11: Hazrat Ali, teenager, Pakistani
    2009-08-21: Syed Wali Shah, 7, Pakistani
    2009-08-21: Naeemullah,?, Pakistani
    2009-08-21: Faizullah,?, Pakistani
    2009-08-21: Rahima,?, Pakistani
    2009-08-21: Shaista,?, Pakistani
    2009-11-20: Sakeenullah, 15, Pakistani
    2009-12-31: Zaenullah Khan, 17, Pakistani
    2009-12-17: Nasser Mohammed Nasser, 6, Yemeni
    2009-12-17: Arwa Mohammed Nasser, 4, Yemeni
    2009-12-17: Fatima Mohammed Nasser, 2, Yemeni
    2009-12-17: Afrah Ali Mohammed Nasser, 9, Yemeni
    2009-12-17: Zayda Ali Mohammed Nasser, 7, Yemeni
    2009-12-17: Hoda Ali Mohammed Nasser, 5, Yemeni
    2009-12-17: Sheikha Ali Mohammed Nasser, 4, Yemeni
    2009-12-17: Asmaa Abdullah Mokbel Salem Louqye, 9, Yemeni
    2009-12-17: Salma Abdullah Mokbel Salem Louqye, 4, Yemeni
    2009-12-17: Fatima Abdullah Mokbel Salem Louqye, 3, Yemeni
    2009-12-17: Khadije Ali Mokbel Louqye, 1, Yemeni
    2009-12-17: Hanaa Ali Mokbel Louqye, 6, Yemeni
    2009-12-17: Mohammed Ali Mokbel Salem Louqye, 4, Yemeni
    2009-12-17: Jawass Mokbel Salem Louqye, 15, Yemeni
    2009-12-17: Sheikha Nasser Mahdi Ahmad Bouh, 3, Yemeni
    2009-12-17: Soumaya Mohammed Saleh Mohammed, 9, Yemeni
    2009-12-17: Shafika Mohammed Saleh Mohammed, 4, Yemeni
    2009-12-17: Shafiq Mohammed Saleh Mohammed, 2, Yemeni
    2010-01-03: Wajid Noor, 9, Pakistani
    2010-01-08: Ayeesha, 3, Pakistani
    2010-02-24: Naila, 10, Pakistani
    2010-05-21: Fatima, ?, Pakistani
    2010-05-21: Nisar, ?, Pakistani
    2010-05-21: Naeem Khan, ?, Pakistani
    2010-10-18: Naeem Ullah, 10, Pakistani
    2011-06-15: Shahzada, ?, Pakistani
    2011-10-14: Abdel-Rahman Anwar al-Awlaki, 16, American
    2011-10-14: Ahmed Abdel-Rahman al-Awlaki, 17, Yemeni
    2011-10-31: Tariq Aziz, 16, Pakistani
    2011-10-31: Waheed, ?, Pakistani
    2012-08-21: Osama Haqqani, 13, Pakistani
    2012-09-02: Mabrook Mouqbal Al Qadari, 13, Yemeni
    2012-09-02: Daolah Nasser, 10, Yemeni
    2012-09-02: AbedalGhani Mohammed Mabkhout, 12, Yemeni

    http://abagond.wordpress.com/2012/12/17/obama-cries-for-white-children/

    • Rob

      Couldn’t agree more WTS……

    • Dave67

      Its called war… Jay… People die in war…. But I keep forgetting too many in this country see our recent wars as something close to a video game because they do not sacrifice or have any skin in the war.

      The cowards talk a big game from their computer.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        67: Its called war… Jay… People die in war….

        War? Who’s war, 67? The real purpose of the war in Afghanistan is for the United States and its allies to control access to the rich oil and natural gas resources of Central Asia, and to counteract China’s strategic influence in the region. Tens of thousands of Afghan civilians have been killed, with countless more seriously injured, making Afghanistan one of the most insecure and unstable countries in the world. The war is not only unjustified and futile, but is clearly lost. Over 3000 Nato troops have been killed, more than 2000 of them American and more than 400 British. They are being killed in ever escalating numbers because the Afghan people want to free their country from foreign occupation, as the people of any country would want to. Soldiers are being deployed in Afghanistan as “human shields” for Obama who would rather the killing and dying continue than have to admit the “war” (American-occupation) is lost. The war should end immediately, all foreign troops should be brought home without firing another shot, and the people of Afghanistan should receive reparations for all the death and destruction of the past eleven years, to help them rebuild their country, free of western intervention. Anyone who would support the war in Afghanistan is as much a psychopathic-killer as the current-occupier in White-House. The left-wing nematodes that excoriated Bush for his wars in the middle-east, are now cheering and encouraging the “new psychopath” in office like a bunch of incontinent school-girls! The hypocrisy of the left-wing stooges, knows no bounds…Incredible!!!

      • eddie47d

        They would have to use a phone book to list all the deaths that occurred under Reagan bad boy WTS. Women and children? Maybe 3/4 of a phone book!

      • Dave67

        The war was started by George W Bush and his oil and military friends… Obama is ending it. The rest of what you say is filler

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        Obama is ending it? Is that why he sent 30,000 more troops to Afghanistan, and has over 65 drones indiscriminately butchering Afghans, because he wants to end it? Face it, 67, Obama is as much a puppet of wall-street and the military-industrial-complex as the rest of them were. Give your head a shake. No matter how you try to sugar-coated(lie), the truth is, your beloved psychopathic-killer is just that, a psychopathic-killer. And a bigger-hypocrite than any of his predecessors! And, btw, so are you!

      • Dave67

        Jay,

        What happened to Afghanistan once the Soviets left? Does your feeble mind allow you to go back in history to find out what happened? I thought not.

        We will be out of there militarily in 2014. OBL is dead… Thanks to Obama. Now the challenge is not not let it fall into kaos like the Soviets and we did after the pullout in the 80s. Its called “strategy”.

        Your conservative buddy wasted trillions in Iraq, Obama ended that BS war your side started, just like he is ending this one now the objective has been met and now, we just deal with Al Qeada like we should have in the first place, drones and small surgical teams.

        You have the dumb way ( conservative way)to deal with terrorism.(invasion and occupation) and then you have the smart way. Obama did things the smart way and you are a very bitter little man that Obama was able to do in 3 years what conservatives failed to do in 8.

  • Rob

    While I appreciate all the comments made here it amazes me how some of you resort to insults to try to make your points. Apparently, those of you who insult others in a supposedly civil conversation have no concept of “effective argument”. Your insults only serve to inflame others and diminish your own arguments. If you can produce a good argument against another’s comment then I would refrain from insults as it just shows that you lack the insight to provide a valid comment. Rather, you resort to insult to try to validate your own argument. This is a great study of how most people lack the skills of persuasive speech and it’s sad that insult is replaced with good solid facts and logic. This brings your arguments to a level below high school debate and way below college level persuasive speech. Does this mean that we are having a discussion with people who have not even graduated high school?

  • Dave67

    This is perfect: I wish I could claim credit for it.

    So, here’s my two cents (which will end up being closer to $1.50 I’m sure) and I’m sure I will regret posting this later, due to the “friends” I will lose while exercising my First Amendment, but here goes.
    Instead of posting a meme with a picture and a falsely attributed quote or a made up statistic, I’ve spent my time researching the gun violence/gun control debate. And I’d like to talk about some of the pervasive themes I’ve seen lately.
    First off, Hitler did not say “In order to conquer a country, you must first disarm its citizens.” In fact, Hitler made it his position to enable guns to be obtained more easily. http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/disarm.asp
    Secondly, the presidents, and I mean ALL of them, and their families, receive death threats on a daily basis. President Obama did not enact the regulations that REQUIRE Secret Service protection for him and his family. If you believe your children are as much of a target as the president’s children, then you have a self inflated idea of your position in this world. http://www.secretservice.gov/protection.shtml
    Thirdly, there is NO law or bill being considered that would allow anyone to come marching into your home to take your legally obtained and legally owned firearms. There are possible laws that are being explored that would require more responsibility on the part of the gun owner or person purchasing a gun (i.e. pass a background check even if buying a gun from a gun show dealer). If you buy a car from a dealer it must be registered (a record of the transfer is documented). If you buy a car from a private citizen, it must be registered. If you buy a gun from a dealer, there is a record of that sale and it is registered. So how is it illogical to require the same for private sales of firearms?
    Fourth, there are not more people being killed with baseball bats than guns. If you disagree with that because you saw a picture stating otherwise on the internet, then I would like to offer you the chance to buy some oceanfront property in Arizona and I’ll throw in the Brooklyn Bridge for free. There is no magical solution for solving the problem of gun violence. THAT is what we need to solve. http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/baseballbats.asp
    We don’t ban cars that are used in DUI related deaths, but we do enact regulations regarding blood alcohol limits, prosecute people who enable a drunk driver to operate a vehicle after serving them, promote a DUI campaign raising awareness and educating drivers on the dangers of driving while intoxicated. All of which has reduced DUI related fatalities by over 40% in a decade. http://www.centurycouncil.org/drunk-driving/drunk-driving-statistics
    The media is not hiding other gun related stories because they want to sensationalize the problem, they are simply unable to cover every gun death story because there would be an average of 80 of them each day. So they concentrate (unfortunately) on the massacres which I think we can all agree, happen all too often.
    I find the fact that more children are killed in the US by guns than in the entire Middle East region, very disturbing.
    I find it disturbing that the NRA blames the rise in violent shootings on video games and then comes out with its own shooting video game (categorized for children as young as 4 years of age) less than a month after Newtown.
    I find it disturbing that other countries spend in excess of twice as much as the US on violent video games and have a small fraction of the amount of gun related deaths/injuries.
    I find it disturbing that instead of looking for a solution to a problem like Newtown, there are people wasting their time and energy by trying to turn it into a conspiracy theory.
    I find it disturbing that guns are the third largest killer of children ages 5-14 in the US.
    I find it disturbing that a child in America is 12 times more likely to be killed with a gun than the rest of the “developed” world.
    I find it disturbing that there are more guns privately owned in America than the next SEVENTEEN countries combined.
    I find it disturbing that all of these statistics are not discussed but fake statistics about a baseball bat death rate are plastered everywhere.
    I find it disturbing that some people believe that the ONLY answer to this problem is more guns.
    Banning all firearms is NOT the answer, which is exactly why it’s not being proposed. This country has enacted laws that didn’t work before, so they’ve been revised, repealed, reformed, etc. It’s ludicrous to think that as a society, we evolve, but the laws governing us cannot? The NRA states that the assault weapons ban didn’t work the first time. Well, you know what they say, “If at first you don’t succeed, f*%k it.”.
    If armed guards are the only answer to ending school shootings, then explain the VT shooting. Virginia Tech had an entire police department complete with a SWAT unit. Explain Columbine, which had an armed officer on staff. When discussing an end to gun violence in schools, there should be NOTHING left off of the table.
    Ronald Reagan, a huge gun proponent and signor of the Brady Bill, wrote to Congress in 1994 asking them to propose legislation limiting or stopping altogether the manufacture of guns classified as assault weapon. And anyone saying “assault weapon” is a made up term should remember that every word in every language is, in fact, made up.
    And yes, criminals don’t typically obey laws, but we still have them. Can you use that logic to say there should be none at all? No.
    Let me be clear, I am NOT anti gun. I have nothing against guns or responsible gun owners. I served proudly in the military, I worked in armed security, I’ve hunted, and enjoy target shooting since I was a kid. And I’m sure most gun enthusiasts are the same way. However, this issue should be discussed logically and rationally, and all I see are comments and pictures that are anything but rational and for the most part, are just viral, inflammatory, unresearched, vitriol.
    The president enacted 23 executive actions today, of which only 2 have anything to do with limiting the availability of a category of gun or a magazine capacity. The remaining 21 deal with aspects regarding background checks, school safety and mental health system requirements and deficiencies. Will it be a perfect solution? No. Will it help? We’ll see. Is it better than doing nothing? Definitely. If we keep using the statement, “It’s too soon to talk about it.” after each tragedy, pretty soon, we’ll never talk about it.
    OK, so maybe it ended up closer to $2.00 instead of 2 cents. So sue me.

    • http://www.facebook.com/carl.stevenson.98 Carl Stevenson

      $2.00 baloney … you owe us $47.95.
      Your “facts” are inaccurate … I’ll only address the first because the others don’t even merit the bandwidth to comment on them.

      Hitler did NOT “make it easier to get guns”. The ONLY ones who were allowed to possess weapons were Nazi party loyalists … those who were “reliable.”
      Hitler inherited the universal gun registration records from the preceding Weimar Republic government and used them to ruthlessly confiscate all guns from other than Nazi approved people. Anyone not Nazi-approved who was caught in possession of a weapon was subject to summary execution.

      You must be an Obama regime fan …

      • Dave67

        And you must be a conservative… Not bothering to read the proposals. Or read and comprehend what I posted. You are your fellow conservative would only accept “nothing” being done as acceptable.

        Good NRA sheep.

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

      Typical of the left-wing, cracker-heads to “mix and match” truth with fiction…nice try, 67.

      • Dave67

        Where is the fiction Jay?

        Do you conservative parrots have any facts anywhere in this debate? Nope… you have a bunch of propaganda which you spew which prevents anything being done to address why we have all thwe gun violence we have, the state of our mental health system and the ability for law enforcement to do its job.

        That tells me the right doesn’t care about the deaths in this country, they just hate to be inconvenienced in any way because its all about you, not community or country.

    • Vicki

      Try this fact Dave. It is EASY to verify on the net.

      ~300 MILLION AMERICANS DID NOT SHOOT ANYONE.

      You will only need 2 links. In the mean time:

      STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT.

      STOP IT
      STOP IT NOW

      • Dave67

        Yes!!! Lets slogan our way to fix the glorification of violence in America!!!! Its just that simple…just like “Just Say No” fixed the drug problem in America. Brilliant.

      • Vicki

        Dav67 says:
        “Lets slogan our way to fix the glorification of violence in America!!!!”

        Sure if that is what you want. What slogan(s) were you thinking of?

      • Dave67

        Your nonsense slogan Vicki… Thats all you have in place of a reasonable debate.

      • JeffH

        Vicki, do you get the feeling that the ignorant progressive shills here don’t appreciate the fact that ~ 300 MILLION AMERICANS DIDN’T SHOOT ANYONE?

        STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT

        STOP IT
        STOP IT NOW.

      • Dave67

        Hey NRA shills Vicki and JeffH,

        I never killed anyone with a car due to drinking and driving but those pesky laws you hate so much that are designed to combat drunk driving have reduced drunk driving by 40%.

        If you hate laws such much, please relocate to Somalia, there you don’t have to deal with people tellinging you what to do.

      • Vicki

        Dave67 writes:
        “If you hate laws such much, please relocate to Somalia, there you don’t have to deal with people tellinging you what to do.”

        We happen to like obeying the SUPREME law of this land and would appreciate it if you would either do the same or as in the words of Samual Adams:

        ” If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!”’
        http://thinkexist.com/quotes/samuel_adams/2.html

      • Vicki

        Dave67 says:
        “Your nonsense slogan Vicki… Thats all you have in place of a reasonable debate.”

        First you would have to offer reasonable debate.

      • Vicki

        JeffH says:
        “Vicki, do you get the feeling that the ignorant progressive shills here don’t appreciate the fact that ~ 300 MILLION AMERICANS DIDN’T SHOOT ANYONE?”

        I think the thing that really upsets them is that after several days they have not found a believable counter to the self evident truth that

        ~ 300 MILLION AMERICANS DIDN’T SHOOT ANYONE?”

        and we are tired of being punished for the actions of a few.

      • MexicansaysLibtardsRPukes

        Libtardism is a Mental DisOrder it fits Dave67 & eddie to a T!
        http://www.examiner.com/article/liberalism-an-ideology-of-rage-and-hate

      • Dave67

        I am curious Vicki since the Constitution is the supreme law of the land. What does “well regulated” mean to you as it relates to the second Amendment? Can you find the part in the Constitution where the founders talk about semi-automatic weapons with karge magazines? Where does the founders talk about mental health? How about the various law enforcement agencies sharing information to stop crime and catch the bad guys?
        How about a national database to track gun sales?

      • eddie47d

        Yes Vickie would fit nicely in Somalia and their gun culture. Comrades in arms!

      • Vicki

        Dave67 says:
        “I am curious Vicki since the Constitution is the supreme law of the land. What does “well regulated” mean to you as it relates to the second Amendment?”

        One (but not only) reason for the people to INDIVIDUALLY keep and bear arms.
        http://www.firearmsandliberty.com/unabridged.2nd.html

        - Dave67: “Can you find the part in the Constitution where the founders talk about semi-automatic weapons with karge magazines?”

        It’s right next to where the founders talk about the separation of church and state.

        - Dave67: “Where does the founders talk about mental health?”

        In the same papers where they talk of women having the right to murder their unborn children. (He tried to fool me by changing from “in the Constitution where the founders talk about..” to just what the founders talked about so I almost missed it.)

        - Dave67: “How about the various law enforcement agencies sharing information to stop crime and catch the bad guys?”

        what about it? Or do you prefer to keep your affairs open for the world to see?

        - Dave67: “How about a national database to track gun sales?”

        You already have one. And they still lost track of thousands of guns. (Fast and Furious)
        Why did you want to continue to waste taxpayer money?

      • Vicki

        eddie47d says :
        “Yes Vickie would fit nicely in Somalia and their gun culture. Comrades in arms!”

        Somalia looks more like the wet dream of the anti-gun crowd with a rate of firearms possession by civilians being about ~9.1 per 100.

        The U.S. rate is ~88.8 per 100.

        http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/somalia
        (Warning to eddie Facts hidden behind the blue link)

        So in spite of having a possession rate nearly 10 times that of eddie’s beloved Somalia:

        ~300 MILLION AMERICANS DID NOT SHOOT ANYONE.

        STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT for the actions of a few.

        STOP IT
        STOP IT NOW

        Perhaps eddie47d would fit better in their gun culture than ours.

    • Bill

      Who cares what you think, Dave67

    • eddie47d

      Don’t worry Dave67 Bill’s mind is closed like a steel trap!

      • Dave67

        Bill has a mind???? Who knew? He just repeats whatever Wayne LaPierre tells him like a good little conservative robot.

    • Charlie

      Dave67,,,
      We got short changed on your 2 cents ,,,have you ever thought about the historical facts ?? that The Constitution DOES NOT supersede The Holy Bible in any form or fashion ,,,so,, NO member of the CEG can just flippantly violate The Constitution OR Biblical Law without some “Judgement” falling upon them or The Nation or both,,,IF,,,that violation is challenged or brought to the attention of those being violated… One can believe what they want to ,but , “Truth” is still “Truth”, so , all should be on a search for “Truth”… That is what will set you free… Meanwhile… Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

      Charlie Freedom

  • chuckb

    dave67, good article, however, all it contains is a wish for more regulation. this will not prevent the sort of violence we have seen in all these shootings. you cannot regulate a psychopath unless you incarcerate him., the majority of these crimes are committed by disarranged people not unlicensed guns. the automatic weapons are feared by the politicians, not the public.
    once we give up our ability to fight back, then look out.

    • Dave67

      Thats true Chuck, if you read what Obama is proposing… Most of it surrounds dealing with our violent society, our mental health system and allowing law enforcement to do their jobs better by information sharing intel. Obama prposed putting the assault weapons ban back in place (Reagan supported in in the first place) and limiting the number of bullets in a magazine. That is what all the gun nuts are up in arms over.

      If they are worried about a military coup of the gov, (their paranoid delusion), then their AR-15 goes against WMD the gov has… Who wins that? The nuts on the right only care about the NRA’s agenda which is more power and more money into Wayne LaPierre’s pocket.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        67: Thats true Chuck, if you read what Obama is proposing… Most of it surrounds dealing with our violent society, our mental health system and allowing law enforcement to do their jobs better by information sharing intel.

        Oh great, we have a psychopathic, violent and mentally deranged-man and his administration proposing measures on how to deal with a society where the majority are law-abiding citizens, and the minority(criminals) are allowed to run rampant. And you say that the only reason you come here is to have your beliefs and convictions challenged? What you need, 67, is therapy, and unfortunately, we are not licensed to practice here!

      • Dave67

        Shhhhh… Jay, the adults are talking now… Go play.

  • nypbbob

    Its amazing to me nobody is talking about similar events transpiring all over the world (i.e.: gun related massacres)… Folks, all this [expletive deleted] started when 90% of the nations that comprise earth agreed to DISARM through the United Nations. Yes, the elite…. Mrs. Clinton signed the US’s response months ago in support.. Has anybody actually read this country’s position?

    Agenda 21… NWO…. Recent Executive Orders… Folks, its only a matter of time. And the closest one’s to realizing this are the one’s on the right. Lib’s are sheep. They simply dont possess the logic needed to look at the big picture and question. All they would rather do is jump on the bandwagon in order to feel as if they “belong.” Its a power thing. What’s funny was listening to them whine while Bush was in office.. They have gone well beyond what the right was doing under Bush..

    [expletive deleted]. sheep….

  • nypbbob

    Oh and BTW, the whole movement for the recent gun actions was because they built up assault rifle at sandy hook… NOT ONE PERSON WAS KILLED BY AN ASSAULT RIFLE IN SH.. Twisting the truth to push an agenda has jumped to an all new level. Hell, Liberals have always been famous for that.

    • eddie47d

      Bush twisted the truth about WMD’s every which way but loose but you know how those Conservatives are. They will do anything to get our boys into war for their corporate pals. Heck Conservatives have been Infamous for it.

      • Motov

        Funny you say that, because I recall the Clintons while in office also made statements about WMD possessed by Iran
        , so Bush gets all the blame even though the “Appointed One” said he would end those wars, Why are we still fighting? 4 years later we are still at war, and all you can do is blame Bush? OBozo had 4 years to stop the wars, He didn’t, So Mr Smartypants what lame excuse do you have up your sleeve?

  • Don

    All you anti-gun folks, Read “Dial 911 and Die” written by Atty. Richard W. Stevens. You will discover that law enforcement is not required to protect you, not even required to respond to your 911 call for help, and that the courts have repeatedly upheld that you cannot recover damages from the police or the government for not protecting you.You will discover that you have been brainwashed into a false sense of security thinking that all you need to do is get on the telephone and dial 911, and magically the cops will be there to protect you. Unfortunately, you will also find that police are mostly reactive, arriving on the scene during the commission of a crime less than 5% of the time. You will also learn that the courts have upheld that you are basically responsible for your own safety. If you still don’t want a gun, that’s fine. However, I am retired law enforcement, and I choose a gun over a baseball bat, against a criminal who has a gun, and that’s my choice.

  • moonbeam

    “…one of his top lieutenants admitted that Obama’s plan is about as likely to work as a sizable number of his voters.”

    WOW! You can say that again. If that ain’t the truth, then nothing is true. I thought it was just me thinking this, but it appears the leeches and illegals keep usurping the will of the people they leech off of. They’re going to MAKE the working folk pay their way. And since there is such a disproportionate number leeches and illegals who continue to feed at the public trough, the working folk have absolutely no say in the matter. The leeches and the illegals even get to vote TWICE!

    Now, ain’t that a biatch.

  • Scott

    Lack of moral values and parenting are whats taking this country down. The violence will continue regarless of what our govmt does unless these two things are re established. Period. It starts in the home people and that term is long gone in America. Some may wish to add religion as a 3rd and certainly worthy of mention.

  • JeffH

    I just recieved this in an email and thought I would share it. I have not verified tha claims made but here we go anyway.

    Something to think about?

    It appears to me we should join the current hysteria and suggest the evidence shows that all registered Democrats should be confiscated.

    We know who they are – they’re registered!

    Why is it that progressive liberals are the ones who steal guns.

    Who then kill military personnel, movie goers and children in school.

    Ft Hood ~~~ Registered Democrat ~~~ Muslim

    Columbine ~~~ Too young to vote; both families were registered Democrats and progressive liberals

    Virginia Tech ~~~ Wrote hate mail to President Bush and to his staff ~~~ Registered Democrat

    Colorado Theater ~~~ Registered Democrat; Staff worker on the Obama campaign; Occupy Wall Street participant; progressive liberal

    Connecticut School Shooter ~~~ Registered ~~~ Democrat; hated Christians

    Common thread is that all of these shooters were progressive liberal Democrats, Not Conservative NRA members.

    Maybe we should take a very close look at Liberal Democrats, because it appears they are NOT Conservative NRA members!

    • jopa

      JeffH Yup thought about it and what you claim can’t be verified again.So STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT NOW before you shoot your eye out.

  • Motov

    A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY TO THINK ABOUT…….December 29, 2012 marks the 122nd Anniversary of the murder of 297 Sioux Indians at Wounded Knee Creek on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation in South Dakota. These 297 people, in their winter camp, were murdered by federal agents and members of the 7th Cavalry who had come to confiscate their firearms “for their own safety and protection”. The slaughter began after the majority of the Sioux had peacefully turned in their firearms. The Calvary began shooting, and managed to wipe out the entire camp. 200 of the 297 victims were women and children. About 40 members of the 7th Cavalry were killed, but over half of them were victims of fratricide from the Hotchkiss guns of their overzealous comrades-in-arms. Twenty members of the 7th Cavalry’s death squad, were deemed “National Heroes” and were awarded the Medal of Honor for their acts of [cowardice] heroism.

    We hear very little of Wounded Knee today. It is usually not mentioned in our history classes or books. What little that does exist about Wounded Knee is normally a sanitized “Official Government Explanation”. And there are several historically inaccurate depictions of the events leading up to the massacre, which appear in movie scripts and are not the least bit representative of the actual events that took place that day.

    Wounded Knee was among the first federally backed gun confiscation attempts in United States history. It ended in the senseless murder of 297 people.

    Some more liberal “arts”?

    • eddie47d

      Yes but the old Conservative written history books say that the Indians asked for it and that even Custer was a hero for taking on the Indians in another famous confrontation. Yet its nice to see that the 7th Calvary aren’t saints in your comment.

      • Motov

        I don’t know if any of this is true or not – don’t have the resources to find out !!

        But it could be possible

        Now here is an interesting point for discussion.
        HEY, BIDEN; SOMETIMES THE ANSWER IS BITING YOU IN THE BUTT!!

        Why is it that none of the disturbed and evil men, who steal guns, then go and kill movie-goers and children in school, has ever been identified as a conservative NRA member?

        Ft Hood ~~ Registered Democrat ~ Muslim

        Columbine ~~~ Too young to vote; both families were registered
        Democrats and progressive liberals

        Virginia Tech ~~~ Wrote hate mail to President Bush and to his staff ~
        Registered Democrat

        Colorado Theater ~~~ Registered Democrat; staff worker on the Obama
        campaign; Occupy Wall Street participant; progressive liberal

        Connecticut School Shooter — Registered Democrat; hated Christians,

        Common thread is that all of these shooters were progressive liberal Democrats.”

        Do you see a pattern here?

        INTERESTING, isn’t it? Maybe we should outlaw Democrats!

      • Motov

        Repeating this needed to be done, kinda like the Liberals telling us we are bigots, because we believe in individualism.

  • Motov

    You know you live in a Country run by idiots if…
    You can get arrested for expired tags on your car
    but not for being in the country illegally.

    ====================================
    You know you live in a Country run by idiots if…
    Your Government believes that the best way to eradicate
    trillions of dollars of debt is to spend trillions more
    of our money.

    ====================================
    You know you live in a Country run by idiots if…
    A seven year old boy can be thrown out of school
    for calling his teacher “cute,” but hosting a sexual
    exploration or diversity class in grade school is perfectly
    acceptable.

    ====================================
    You know you live in a Country run by idiots if…
    The Supreme Court of the United States can rule
    that lower courts cannot display the Ten Commandments
    in their courtroom, while sitting in front of a display
    of the Ten Commandments.

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    You know you live in a Country run by idiots if…
    Children are forcibly removed from parents who
    appropriately discipline them while children of
    “underprivileged” drug addicts are left to rot in
    filth-infested cesspools of a “home.”

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    You know you live in a Country run by idiots if…
    Hard work and success are rewarded with higher taxes
    and government intrusion, while some slothful, lazy
    behavior is rewarded with EBT cards, WIC checks,
    Medicaid, subsidized housing, and free cell phones.
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    You know you live in a Country run by idiots if…
    The government’s plan for getting people back to work
    is to provide 99 weeks of unemployment checks.
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    You know you live in a Country run by idiots if…
    Being self-sufficient is considered a threat to the government.

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    You know you live in a Country run by idiots if…
    Politicians think that stripping away the amendments
    to the constitution is really protecting the rights of the people.

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    You know you live in a Country run by idiots if…
    The rights of the Government come before the rights
    of the individual.

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    You know you live in a Country run by idiots if…
    You can write a post like this just by reading the
    news headlines.

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    You know you live in a Country run by idiots if…
    You pay your mortgage faithfully, denying yourself
    the newest big screen TV while your neighbor defaults
    on his mortgage (while buying iPhones, TVs, and new
    cars) and the government forgives his debt and reduces
    his mortgage with your tax dollars.

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    You know you live in a Country run by idiots if…
    Being stripped of the ability to defend yourself makes
    you “safe.”

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    You know you live in a Country run by idiots if…
    You have to have your parents’ signature to go
    on a school field trip but not to get an abortion.

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    You know you live in a Country run by idiots if…
    An 80-year-old woman can be stripped searched
    by the TSA but a Muslim woman in a burka is
    subject only to having her neck and head searched.

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    You know you live in a Country run by idiots if…
    Using the “N” word is considered “hate speech,”
    but writing and singing songs about raping women
    and killing cops is considered “art.”

  • Scott

    First off, criminals and people with mental illness will always get their hands on a gun if they want too. These type people don’t go to stores and purchase firearms legally. People who commit crimes with guns do not possess a firearm thru the proper channels. Come on, that is just ignorant to believe such. Criminals don’t want to be traced or have any paper trails attached to them. Barack placates to all of his Liberal sheep and they follow, as sheep do… Criminals will have and obtain guns no matter what , they buy illegally, off the street. While law abiding Americans will not acquire illegally. I can’t stand Barack, I can’t stand how he uses children or any immoral deed to win over the sheep which completes his herd. I can’t stand how Barack abuses the Constitution of the United States. I can’t stand Barack how he so mischievously passes bills in the dark of night. I can’t stand Barack and how he just ignores Congress. I can’t stand Barack and how he passes executive orders when Congress does not vote in the majority for his evil plans. I believe you are supposed to have 2/3rds majority!!! I can’t stand Barack and how he feels the rich, who worked hard for the right to become successful should have to give more to the people who don’t work or have initiative to succeed and be equal. I can’t stand Barack who borrows money and puts this country into the highest amount ever. I can’t stand Barack who is now allowing China to take our land in America for the huge amount of debt that he continues to incur. I can’t stand Barack Obama and would love to tell him this face to face. I would spit in my hand and then shake his hand. Oh wait, I would much rather put my hand in a pile of dung than shake Barack Obamas hand. It’s probably worth more…

    Sent from my iPhone

  • freedomringsforall

    This country, and so many of this countries once respected institutions, are being influenced and/or run by Fabians, Marxist, commie, fascist, dictatorial, morons.
    I am sure that there are many who would call me a moron for lumping those philosophies together but I in return would infer they ought to look in the mirror and then think about what all those philosophies have wrought on the earth and when all is said and done in history they have all wrought exactly the same in the end; slaughter, famine, and despair.

    We need to get these commie, fascist, Islamic terrorist coddling bunch of scum out of power in these United States.

    Then we need to work our tails off to get all of our freedoms and rights restored.

    We are the only hope left for this planet and for all those down trodden and less fortunate to look to as their hope for true freedom and all that it brings.

    We must stay united and take the hope, the light, and the right of freedom to every last corner and dark alley and to every last soul in this world.

  • Adolf Schmidt

    To Wellarmed, I’m downing cigs or the drink, just making a point. I can not find one law that will stop anyone from doing what they want. I am pro gun and plan on staying that way. The government imposes laws that can not stop anyone from anything! The government needs to start with the scenario of the gunman at the door of a school, since they may stop only a very small percentage from assault rifle ownership. What is the governments plan for that! The government needs to leave useless laws( banning any type gun) alone and plan to save the children after the gunman arrives at our children’s school! I still think each room needs a panic room. There is a lot of materials that repels bullets, some at pretty good price. Live will only be saved when we can buy enough time for help to arrive!

    • Wellarmed

      As you should in a free country!

      Rock On!

  • http://midcontent ridge runner

    The muslim marxist has always used and abused children to benifit his perverted ways. He voted against giving born alve aborted children, as well as late term abortions. Why should this abhorant puke in the WH change. This congental liar is puke deep muslim, killing people young old or any age are fair game, including all of his faggot roommates who all had a demise of living in a month before he announced his start for the WH.

  • Nemo44

    You all either missed it in the past or aren’t thinking about what else is potentially waiting on the side lines and why it is that gun confiscation is important to those who call themselves our government. And why our keeping our guns is important to you.

    Anyone with half an I.Q. knows that after gun confiscation, the only ones that have a gun are the criminals and nut cases and everyone else is easy pickens. And, that a community that is fully armed essentially has no crime because the criminals don’t want to risk it and this has been proven, so eliminating crime is not the reason for banning/confiscating guns, so what is?

    What if there were Chinese military bases in Mexico and Canada and maybe elsewhere close by where 80,000 to 100,000 fully equipped troops per base could move in quickly, man the bases and the equipment that is already there, then invade the U.S. and serve as the initial armed forces of martial law toward the end of forcing a One World Government on us America citizens??????? Possibly initially in cooperation with the U.N., but after establishing themselves and bringing in tons more troops from across the Pacific, could tell the U.N. to buzz off. With China’s military might combined with America’s military might under China’s control, who would be left to challenge their agenda?

    BUT, would it not be much easier for them to move in and take over control of this country if we American citizens were FIRST DISARMED, then, it would be a walk in the park for a police state to be established here. They would just move in, point their guns at us helpless disarmed Americans and say, “We’re Here!!!, Get used to it”. Oh, and BTW – since their country is overflowing with the children they couldn’t seem to avoid bringing into this world, “Bang Bang, you’re dead, so Chinese people can pioneer this country, —again, just like your ancestors did to the Native Americans, right!!!”.

    Something for those gun control crazies to think about. Do you really want to take the chance that this won’t happen. That I am wrong. That, They, the Chinese, won’t invade or won’t terminate you and yours along with the rest of us??????? That YOU won’t need us gun toting freedom loving Americans to protect your arss from something. There has already been reports of the Chinese plans to invade this country and probably with the help of Russia and the Arab world. It is said that Arabs, Muslims are already here and have many training camps in remote parts of the U.S.

    BTW- Those Chinese military bases in Mexico and Canada, yes, they were reported on YouTube, I believe, to actually exist, with testimony from a trucker that delivered to them and google satellite map of the one in Mexico that I have viewed myself back maybe a year ago, and they are said to be fully equipped ready for the troops to be flown in.

    The U.S. owes China tons of money and we are not able to pay. Do you really think they will let that pass. Is it true that they already have plans to eventually rule the world and have made preparations towards that end? Think about it. Think real hard for once instead of thinking this is just some political jousting game you are all playing with words. This time, it could be real. We should always be prepared for the worst, then it might not happen because we are prepared. Disarmed, we are dead meat no matter how it plays out.

    Many years ago, our U.S. military personnel were individually questioned: “If ordered to fire on American citizens, would you obey the order.” Most of our soldiers said “NO”, so from then on, foreign troops have been based here in the U.S. and American troops have been based in foreign countries, … for crowd control, martial law, because foreign troops will not have any problems with firing on American citizens. Think about that one and get serious about your countries future.

    —OldAndExperienced

    • Motov

      They will have a tough time with the red necks around here, Gotta love the red necks!

  • http://clear.net Xmil-man

    Obama is going along the same lines as Hitler did start out slow then take over and make all Americans defenceless so HE can become the demi God he wants to be. Well, he can have my guns after he pries it out of my cold dead hands.

  • http://yahoo Mary Gibson

    I find it unconscionable you have no empathy for the children gunned down or their parents. You must be an ara member or a tea party member. As a Republican all of my life as were my parents before me, I no longer recognize this party which appears more concerned with money and power than what is good for all Americans
    Republicans will never occupy the Whitehouse with this attitude. They must change or lose again.

    • Nemo44

      Not sure who you are directing your comment at,, but -

      Gun control has nothing to do with the children one way or another except that they are being used as an excuse, a ploy, to turn American citizens into helpless sheep. Gun control will never save a child’s life in the cases in question because when guns are confiscated or banned from being sold legally, the criminal types and mentally deranged will always have no trouble getting a gun illegally and will be the only ones that have them, just like illegal drugs are, and then the honourable citizens will be helpless to stop them as these shootings have proven because in each case, all of the good citizens present and that could have stopped the shooter before he got but a few shots, could not, because they WERE disarmed already … lady.

      And, actually, those who want to own guns and keep them freely are the ones who care the most, have the real empathy, for their children, because they are willing to stand up and protect them, even if it means drawing fire from the shooter, and stand firm for their freedoms for when they reach adulthood.

      On the other hand, those who want everyone disarmed are the cowards who care nothing for other people’s children and probably in some cases, want people disarmed because they know THEY deserve to be hunted down by John Q. Public and dealt with for their crimes against humanity and this country.

      As far as the Tea Party goes, they are mostly older citizens who are very respectful and peaceful in their conduct because they were raised in a time when respectful conduct and living up to their responsibilities was how they were raised and are old enough to truly understand, from experience, how this all really works, while the younger generations and recluses who have not bothered to dig into and know the true history of kingdoms and governments so that they don’t end up repeating past mistakes, don’t seem to see what is coming and the liberals are typically neither respectful nor responsible in their thinking or conduct.

      But, with all that said, I believe it is true that neither the Republican party nor the Democratic party deserve any respect nor any votes. They, in my opinion are totally corrupt, totally narcissistic and beyond salvaging. They are essentially one party with two names and neither one has any right to call themselves conservative.

      That is all I have to say.

  • ibcamn

    And yet the bodies keep piling up,another one,young lady from Thieland,a doctor(pediatrition at a hospital) here in the US was murdered by a exterminator!she was strangled to death by this man using a curtain cord i believe,so now Obama should outlaw certain curtains in young people’s homes now so when a stranger comes in our homes they can’t kill us??just think of all those children that will die or never be taken care of because of this outrage of hate,it’s a crime yet i hear nothing from Obama on this,it involves children!!and we all know it’s because the exterminator didn’t come walking into her house with an assault style rifle and sprayed a large amount of ammo at her to kill this woman!did i mention he also tied her dead body up(with same cord)and lite her body on fire!!this girl was no more a child herself and had her whole life ahead of her,and the crime was just as nasty as it could be,but yet nothing(again)from Obama,or on any of the recent killings that have been going on that relate to what Obama bitches about!to me,any one who supports Obama is just as guilty of all the crimes against humanity that he and his henchmen are and should be treated as such!………so when are the impeachment trials starting?

    and all you haters for going after my spelling,live with it!

    • http://jeguns.com bodie

      Wow, very different views and insights. First of all I will say that I am a gun dealer and I live in California-Enough said!!! Fienstein needs to be stopped we have the worst gun laws in the US next to Chicago, we have bans on guns just for there color or what kind of stock it may have. understand this!! an ar-15 rifle is not an assault rifle (assault rifle is a full automatic weapon used by our military) NFA (no full auto)laws have been in effect for decades. AR -15 stands for Armalite Rifle model 15 this was the prototype introduced to our military which was modified to fit their needs and is called the M-16 (you can not own these) The AR-15 or any like it are simply the modern sporting rifle that replaced the musket. And for kids guess what ! we have a national shooting team of children (YES CHILDREN) called the Grizzleys who shoot AR’s in competition and other weapons that have detachable magazines. -nobody has died from this- This team is sanctioned by non other than the commander and chief himself and the firearms they use have been donated from Camp Perry? To those who feel that background checks and gun registration need to be in place, they allready are!!!!!!!! Restrictions for criminals or people with mental defects are allready laws that exist. We dont need more. The newest change to buying a gun is us as dealers have to sell to illegal aliens and there reguirement to buy is easier than a citizen purchasing a gun. What is up with this-This is a law passed by the Obama administration. So here we are today executive orders to put inplace gun laws that allready exist and we need to give guns to illegals so they dont complain of discrimination. My concern is what is lurking hidden in this next batch of laws trying to be pushed on American people. And fiensteins gun ban is an attempt to ban every firearm- No joke–Her list simply states ANY military style weapon And anything that looks like one-Airsoft, BB guns, Pellet guns, Squirt guns, Water pistols you name it -its on there- Think people most all guns out there in the us are at one time a military firearm. case in point — that deer rifle your great grandfather passed down through the family was probably used in WWI or WWII But has been sporterized. As for China-Be very concerned I read yesterday a report on Obama/Bidens web page from the leader in China Which states that they will support Obama and help with troops only after the people are dissarmed. That is Scary. Also the lies Obama tells to get people stirred up the so called shootings with assault weapons here in California just hours after the Sandy Hook shooting-did not happen at all in fact one of the reports called in as a person shooting an assault weapon was simply a naked drunk swinging a sword in front of his house or maybe it was an assault style sword. Closing notes——-In light of the Failed Fast and Furious plot that failed (perpetrated by the Obama addministration) giving guns to the drug cartells in Mexico , And all the so called shootings popping up with many being false , I cannot with out a dought believe all of them to be true especially since there is alot of evidence that has been tampered with(no bushmaster rifle was used in the Sandy Hook shooting)But Sen. Fienstein says ther was?????? Do not ban guns solely on looks
      AR’s are not assault weapons!!!!!!!!
      Do not Believe what you here on the news!!!!!!!!1
      Remember——–GOOD GUYS WITH GUNS STOP BAD GUYS WITH GUNS
      Also ask your wonderful leader why they are not showing the thousands of letters from law enforcement against any gun control or more bans

      • Lyndia

        Very good writeup and more people should open their eyes to what is going on” behind the closed doors” of the White House! They can do that by checking into some of the foreign countries’ newspapers and other reports…they can be very interesting and informative! They might also research some of the past tyrants and how they rose to power!!
        Keep up the good work!!

  • jim

    This action…this signing of this particular ‘Executive Order’…is perhaps the best bit of evidence proving Obama is guilty of nothing less than T R E A S O N ! ! ! ! !

    The inaugural oath he has now taken…for the two terms of the office of President…goes like this:

    “I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”

    Is Obama doing, to the best of his ability, to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States….more specifically, is Obama doing to the best of his ability to preserve, protect and defend the Second Amendment of the Constitution of the United States.

    According to wikipedia;
    “The Second Amendment (Amendment II) to the United States Constitution is the part of the United States Bill of Rights that protects the Right of the People to Keep and Bear Arms.”

    If Obama is signing ‘Executive Orders’ that, in effect, shred the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution of the United States, then Obama is breaking his oath he took Monday, January 21st, 2013!!!

    ………….and thus……….

    Barack Hussein Obama is hereby guilty of TREASON!!!!!!

    As the following reads:
    The United States Code at 18 U.S.C. § 2381 states “…whoever, owing allegiance to the United States(Such as being one holding the office of President), levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere(Obama has found a way to aide the enemy by unarming ‘We, The People’!!! Even China has voiced their willingness to help take the arms from American citizens!), is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.”

    ——OR——

    Treason n.
    ………………the crime of betraying one’s country, defined in Article III, section 3 of the U. S. Constitution:
    “Treason against the United States shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort.”
    Treason requires overt acts and includes the giving of government security secrets to other countries, even if friendly, when the information could harm American security. Treason can include revealing to an antagonistic country secrets such as the design of a bomber being built by a private company for the Defense Department.
    Treason may include “espionage” (spying for a foreign power or doing damage to the operation of the government and its agencies, particularly involved in security) but is separate and worse than “sedition” which involves a conspiracy to upset the operation of the government. (See: sedition, espionage)

    George W. Bush is guilty too!!!!

    If the act of signing away our Constitutional rights is not enough,
    consider the following:

    “The Obama administration has secretly negotiated treaties with globalist bodies, in violation of the Constitution! What does this mean?!? It means that the White House, or Obama, has done an end run around Congress and the American people in order to lock the country into an agreement on the environment, fishing rights and gun control/ownership with the United Nations (The UN). Once signed and ratified, these treaties have the same status as Constitutional Law and cannot be altered or eclipsed by Congress or State Legislatures. And their provisions must be enforced by U.S. courts.”

    Not Obama…for that matter not one single person…living or dead…and especially Hillary…has the authority to sign away our Constitutional Rights!!! The President, nor the Presidents Office, did not assign the freedoms, liberties and rights we, the people of America hold so dearly!!!! Mankind has been blessed with them by an all-powerful, all-knowing Intelligent Entity some call GOD!

    Treason, sedition, espionage!!!! These are some of the terms we should be accusing Obama and Bush of!!!!

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