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Afghan Folly: Why We Should Have Dropped The Bomb

August 4, 2010 by  

Afghan Folly: Why We Should Have Dropped The Bomb

“It is fatal to enter any war without the will to win it.” –Douglas MacArthur.

America’s longest war is again under scrutiny in the wake of the recent flood of WikiLeaks Afghanistan documents. For me the news resurrected a question I have been asking myself for nearly nine years: why wasn’t the war in Afghanistan ended before it even began?

In the wake of 2,740 dead innocent Americans killed on 9/11, why didn’t the United States government deal with al-Qaida and Osama bin Laden with extreme prejudice? I am talking the N word. That is because I believe that Americans would be safer and the world would be a better place if the U.S. had launched a tactical nuclear strike against an organization whose goal is to kill Americans.

The argument against a nuclear strike ranges from breaking international law to harming the environment and killing innocents. But nine years of conventional war has done plenty to hurt the environment and kill combatants and civilians.

So instead the U.S. has become bogged down in its longest war ever; a war with no end; a war that has no recognizable enemy; a war that the nation can ill afford to wage.

The New Pentagon Papers
Daniel Ellsberg, a former U.S. Marine and military analyst, precipitated a rethinking of the Vietnam War in 1971 when he released the “Pentagon Papers.” The papers comprised the U.S. military’s account of what was going on in the Vietnam War.

Ellsberg understood there was a consensus within the Federal government that the U.S. had no realistic chance of victory in Vietnam; that political considerations prevented them from saying so publicly. Ellsberg argued that Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara and others continued to state in press interviews that victory was "just around the corner,” even though they knew it was not true.

President Nixon put Ellsberg at the top of his enemy’s list. Nixon’s Oval Office tape from 1971, with H.R. Haldeman talking, shows why the White House was out to get Ellsberg: “To the ordinary guy, all this is a bunch of gobbledygook. But out of the gobbledygook comes a very clear thing: You can’t trust the government; you can’t believe what they say; and you can’t rely on their judgment.”

Nearly 40 years later WikiLeaks released nearly 92,000 secret military documents about the fighting in Afghanistan. Its founder, Julian Assange, told The Guardian that, “The nearest analogue is the Pentagon Papers that exposed how the United States was prosecuting the war in Vietnam.”

According to The Washington Post, “The WikiLeaks Afghanistan War Logs will fuel political opposition in the U.S. to American troops continuing combat operations in Afghanistan.”

The commentary itself, provided below by the The New York Times, is chilling: “IN HEAVY CONTACT… We have mortars pinned down and fire coming from everywhere…. Multiple enemies running through… and fire coming from the mosque… The police station is shooting at us.”

As it turns out the Combat Outpost Keating barely hung on. Yet eight Americans were killed along with several Afghans. And several more wounded. All this from a mission that was to provide security and back-up the local government.*

Blame It On Bush
It’s not like we don’t already have plenty of reasons to be upset over the war in Afghanistan. But unlike Nixon, who wanted to repress the Pentagon Papers, the Obama administration takes the view that the WikiLeaks Afghanistan documents are old, dating back to when the war was being neglected by President Bush. The Obama White House points out the fact that the WikiLeaks documents end last year, just as President Barack Obama began his new strategy and pledged 30,000 additional troops.

If Vietnam demonstrated anything it is that more troops don’t ensure victory. Not against a battle-hardened enemy that can’t be easily recognized from the overall population.

As the chart above shows, in three years President Johnson almost tripled America’s troop levels in Vietnam. Despite ramping up the war the American military was sideswiped by the Tet Offensive in 1968 which lead CBS anchorman Walter Cronkite to say: “It is increasingly clear that the only rational way out will be to negotiate, not as victors but as an honorable people who lived up to the pledge to defend democracy.”

After Cronkite’s broadcast Johnson said, “If I’ve lost Cronkite, I’ve lost Middle America.” Not long afterward Johnson announced he would not seek re-election.

Don’t let LBJ’s decision get your hopes up. Obama is intent on staying for the long haul regardless of what happens in Afghanistan. That means the continuation of a war that kills our sons and daughters; a war that is costing our nation hundreds of billions of dollars. Just last week the Center for Defense Information, estimated the cost of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan will reach $1.08 trillion by the end of fiscal year 2010. But the real cost is much worse. As of the end of last month more than 1,200 American service men and women have died fighting in Afghanistan. More than 4,400 American service personnel have died in Iraq.

The WikiLeaks Afghanistan documents only confirm our worst fears—that despite a recent $7.5 billion aid package Pakistan is double-dealing and back-stabbing us. And regardless of how much Secretary of State Hillary Clinton gushes over Pakistan’s alliance, it doesn’t change the fact that the Taliban and al-Qaida have key support from Pakistan’s intelligence service and key players in the Pakistan government. This, and the fact Afghanistan has seen invading forces come and go including the Greeks, Turks, British and the Soviets, makes it impossible to imagine a scenario where America can now win this war.

Perhaps the only opportunity to win in Afghanistan was squandered nine years ago when the U.S. refused to marshal all of its strength to destroy al-Qaida.

Action To Take
More than four decades ago my father C.V. began writing Myers’ Finance & Energy because he believed that the war in Vietnam was unaffordable and that the debt acquired by the Federal government to win it would be extremely inflationary. He and his subscribers bet big on gold and silver beginning in 1967, right before the Tet Offensive. He was proven correct and his subscribers profited.

From 1970 to 1980 the price of silver rose from $1.60 per ounce to more than $50 per ounce and the price of gold increased from $34 per ounce to $850 per ounce.

The war in Afghanistan is every bit as unwinnable now as the Vietnam War was then. Look for even more war spending by the Federal government; the results of which will push precious metal prices higher. That is why I urge you to buy and own physical gold and silver.

Yours for real wealth and good health,

John Myers
Myers’ Energy and Gold

*Footnote: If you want to learn more about the war in Afghanistan and what our troops are really up against, I urge you to read the 2010 bestseller, War, by Sebastian Junger, Harper Collins. Junger was embedded with a combat platoon in the perilous Korengal Valley in 2007 and 2008. Read a review of this book at Boston.com by clicking here.

JM

John Myers

is editor of Myers’ Energy and Gold Report. The son of C.V. Myers, the original publisher of Oilweek Magazine, John has worked with two of the world’s largest investment publishers, Phillips and Agora. He was the original editor for Outstanding Investments and has more than 20 years experience as an investment writer. John is a graduate of the University of Calgary. He has worked for Prudential Securities in Spokane, Wash., as a registered investment advisor. His office location in Calgary, Alberta, is just minutes away from the headquarters of some of the biggest players in today’s energy markets. This gives him personal access to everyone from oil CEOs to roughnecks, where he learns secrets from oil insiders he passes on to his subscribers. Plus, during his years in Spokane he cultivated a network of relationships with mining insiders in Idaho, Oregon and Washington.

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  • s c

    If Afghanistan deserves to be nuked, let someone else do it. America has endured WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, the Gulf War, Grenada and what amounts to Vietnam II. It is time to put an end to false, ‘democratic’ regimes that use and abuse our military because they’ve been told by shadowy puppet masters that America needs to sacrifice once again for “democracy.” Bravo Sierra, you treasonous slime!
    Our “prez,” if he had an ounce of integrity, if he could tear himself away from his teleprompter, if he had any idea as to what leadership is, he’d get our military personnel out of Iraq AND Afghanistan. SCREW promises. It’s results that matter! If we could ask MacArthur or Patton any military leaders of the past, I’ll wager that they’d doubt the sanity of the nation and in particular scumbag civilian leaders who have infested Washington from the 1880s until now.
    MacArthur got it. Only insane, non-leaders go to war without a plan to win. Patton would have looked at our current “prez” as someone who idolizes every enemy we’ve fought against in wars around the world.
    We have a “prez” who forgot that he hated GB for going to war in Iraq and Afghanistan. Now, it’ OK because we have a new ‘team’ in the Whore House. For whom does Mr. Obama work? He thinks wars around the world are peachy, but he sees no reason to protect out borders. Insanity rules the day, people. This what we get for allowing political incest to become a national sport in America.

    • D J Lynch (KWVA) member

      Right on Bro;

      Patton and MacArthur two of my favorites…if we had dropped the several “A” bombs accross the Yalu, to destroy the supplies the Chinese were trucking into South Korea, we wouldn’t have had the crap from China and N Korea today and the rest of the world, including Afganistan and those cowards in Packistan, who don’t co-operate with us unless we bribe them and then vey little,the rest of the world would say”don”t mess with the USA or they will kick your ass”!Franklin D Roosevelt won the big war, WWII, and Harry S Truman lost th peace by releaving MacArthur! God Bless the USA and all those Doughboys protecting our way of life!

      • John L

        I could not agree with you more!! At the time Truman relieved MacArthur, the USA was the only country with atomic weapons. When considering Truman, one must not forget that one can also track our involvement in Viet Nam to his folly for siding with the French! Review MacArthur’s farewell address to the joint session of congress….MacArthur then warned of things to come and they have been, and are, here! One may compare Truman and Obama as equally inept CICs using the words from MacArthur: “The very object of war is victory, NOT prolonged indecision!” “NEVER give an enemy in the field an advantage!” Think about it! Did Truman, and now Obama pass muster when considering each MacArthur quote? MacArthur gave Truman the map Truman failed to follow and Obama does not even know what a map is!! “In war, there is NO substitute for victory!” (MacArthur) You were in Korea and I in Nam…why are we 0 and 2?

        • Harold Olsen

          Vietnam never should have happened. Ho Chi Minh was a devout anti-communist. He asked Truman to help him get the French out of his country. Truman, basically, told him to go to hell. Ho had no choice but to seek help from the Chinese. I’m a Vietnam veteran and consider Truman to be one of our worst presidents. The ONLY thing he ever did right was Nagasaki and Hiroshima. The rest of his presidency was a total failure.

          • http://gunner689 gunner689

            Harold:

            Ho Chi Minh was a Communist student in France before he returned to IndoChina to fight the Japs.

          • Trueman

            he sent out an order re-integrating the armed forces after they had been re-segregated by Wilson. everyone said black and white soldiers could never function as a team, but Truman did it anyway. So I think he deserves a little more credit

    • 45caliber

      s c:

      Have you considered that with the war still going on in the Mid-East, there is few military here in the US that could stand up to an armed attempt at take-over of the US? That might be one reason the troops are still there – and being built up there again. They certainly can’t rush home to stop any force that might try to take over. That makes it dependent upon us to have the guns and balls to defend our country ourselves.

      • JRC

        lmfao, what will your guns do if there will be a military take over…nothing, you watch too many Hollywood movies and junk like ‘red dawn’.Don’t you realize, movies aren’t real?

        • barbm

          movies aren’t real, but texans are. you can bet your boots that we will NEVER give up our firearms no matter whom obama puts on the supremem court, and you can be those same boots that every man, woman, and child will fight to the death to prevent america’s take-over. they could probably take california however.

          • Dogma-Free

            The Alamo redux, eh..?

          • 45caliber

            Dogma:

            Yes. Apparently you don’t know Texans. And I’d include most of the South and West in that (not California). While I doubt that we would actually try to organize a formal army to oppose any group trying to take over, I would bet that most of us will take at least one when we go down – and probably more. I don’t think any group trying to take over will be able to provide enough members to take over.

            It goes back to the terrorists. “Do as I say or I’ll murder your family!” Well, my wife has already told me that I’m to do what I can to stop it – and she will hand me more filled magazines when I empty one.

          • Harold Olsen

            You’re right. Texas could easily take California. But, why would you want it??

        • 45caliber

          JRC: Where did you get the idea that I expected a MILITARY takeover? I don’t. In fact, my comment was related to the fact that the military is deliberately being kept out of the US to prevent anything like that. Further, if there is a takeover, it won’t be by the military – I expect there will be an attempt to insure the military has no way back here.

          As far as the ones taking over the US – keep in mind that many of us are vets. One reason the government fears us. And most of us knows combat as well. The new boys trying to take over won’t know it. They believe they are invincible – just as you do – because they will have military weapons and someone high up is telling them what to do.

          Actually I feel a little sorry for them. And as a Texan, (did you know that one of eight soldiers are from Texas?) I’m certainly not worried about any group that tries to come here insisting they are now in charge. There is plenty of desert here we can use for their graves.

          • dan of arizona

            45
            it only takes one shot to add to your stash.I think that every one sees us as the old old guard which stood with an x on our chest not many no what jungle war fair is about. so to try to explain to this idiot that has no experiance is futal. but im there with ya and so are about 300 million others that arent afraid of dying for their country and freedoms that these low lifes have no clue how it came to them.

        • Cory

          With all of us that were trained by our Government, if the idiots were to launch an armed invasion, I will be on a hilltop just plinking away. Could we stop them? Probably overnight!

        • Lubo

          JRC….” Alias….The Progressive” is dumb enough to think that ALL MILITARY personel will be loyal to the regime and will attack and kill their familes and neighbors.

          If it comes to a RED Dawn situation, WE THE PEOPLE will have TANKS, helicopters, Grenades, Automatic weapons, Etc Etc Etc. Again, study world history!

          I have followed your comments throughout this blog and you have a very childish understanding of the world and how it works. You also assert yourself as some kind of expert but can never produce any real facts, other than your progressively marxist leaning opinions.

          You also underestimate the POWER of a FREE peoples. You also misunderstand that the vast majority of our Armed Forces are people who love this country and would consider you to be a yellow-bellied puke who does nothing but complain and attempt to bring harm to our GREAT nation through the destruction of our constitution.

          You, as most progressives, remind me of a “Poodle” who snaps at everybody’s feet but runs away at the stomp of a foot. Having said that, be careful playing around with a group of “Pit Bulls” who loves their country. Loud mouth Poodles tend to get eaten.

          Again, our founders gave us a constitution and within that is our 2nd amendment right to keep and bear arms so as to protect us from self-appointed dictators like you and the King.

          You may want to consider laying off the THC bro!

          • lola

            Ok, all of you. There is not going to be a military takeover in our country. We have the perfect national defense against opposing armies because of our NATURAL defenses. We are protected by the largest ocean in the world (the Pacific) on the West coast and the Atlantic ocean in the East. The reason the British lost the revolutionary war was because even though they had the largest and most powerful army on the planet at the time, they were separated from the battleground by thousands of miles that took about a month or 2 to cross. And I doubt Mexico or Canada has the manpower to stage a legitimate attack, even if they wanted to. No one has the technology or means to be able to attack the “homeland” it would be strategically impossible to get enough soldiers into the USA at the same time.

        • dan of arizona

          jrc
          obviously you have never been in combat the army that your talking about layed down their arms to a bunch of children armed only with sticks and stones and eggs ooooooh just makes you shiver all over those crazy kids who do they think they are taking on the UN all by them selves.The problem that allahyomoma has is that he should have waited untill all of us vets died before he started this crap.About the only thing that i see your good at would be a bench rest.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Really. Well I see our tanks and missiles in Afhanistan, and these guys fighting us with their guns, so there is something you can do with your gun. You see, they come here, then we are the armed one’s hiding in every house, noon and cranny shooting at them. And there are millions of us. So yes, if you have a gun, you have something viable to bring to the table.

          • Average Joe Patriot

            And if you have three, so much the better.

            As for Afghanistan, as others point out, it teaches us again, as did Viet Nam and our own war for independence, what committed fighters can do on their own soil against much better equipped oppressors.

            The Afghanistan conflict started with failed negotiations over an oil pipeline to the Caspian, and a bunch of administration chickenhawks who’d never heard a shot fired in anger (and obviously didn’t pay attention to current events during the Soviets’ recent misadventure there, let alone read their history: Afghanistan has never been conquered and held by a foreign invader).

            Could nukes defeat them? Could you win a game of Whack ‘em All with a grenade? (Remember, these are guys who supposedly can take out a fifth of the Pentagon with a boxcutter-armed force you could count on one hand, a ridiculous notion on so many levels.) More realistically, could you herd cats with a baseball bat?

            Were I a higher-up among the NWO Powers-That-Be, I wouldn’t worry about organized resistance from the US populace, most of whom have been dumbed down to useless sheeple anyway. I’d worry about DIS-organized resistance, of the sort so many here have expressed a willingness to engage in. Let’s see how good They (the PTB) are at Whack ‘em All here on our turf.

            Keep your powder dry, and teach your children to do the same.

        • Jim Wright

          Maybe you are the one who should “get real”. I don’t know about you, but I know many real Americans who are veterans and know what to do with those weapons and that includes me. The biggest threat any aggressor faces in this country is the armed populace which does include veterans who know what to do with those arms.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Amen brother. No doubt about it. This vet stands with you, as do millions of us, and millions more that didnt serve. All us Americans that love America stand together on this. Only the liberals oppose us. And one day, they will be showed the door.

        • Mark Are

          You sound like someone who wears pink underwear.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Only after midnight.

      • Granny Mae

        Greetings 45caliber,

        Have no fear. This country is not going down without a fight ! I have 5 sons, multiple grandsons and daughters and sons-in-law and they are all ready. I do mean ready. If it should ever come to defending this country on our turf I pitty the fool anxious to try us. You will find people coming together that would never dream of togetherness other wise ! However it is foolish to ever go to war without a plan for winning and without the assurdness that it can be won. Get in get it done and get out and let the idiots worry about cleaning up there own countries afterward. It would keep them occupied for a long time and less of a worry to the rest of us ! War is hell but if it must be then fight it like you are the winner! To put our young men and women in harms way and then tie their hands is murder on our part ! We haven’t had a president will to win a war in years ! So why are we fighting? Obama is a yes man and someone else is running him. He couldn’t find his way out of a paper bag if there wasn’t a big sing up at the exit VACATION TIME ! LETS PARTY !

        • 45caliber

          I agree with you. I’m ready too, with a selection to choose from. There was a laugh about “Red Dawn” … but I expect to see just that if someone tries to take over. The ONLY way it can be stopped is if they bann all guns and actually collect them without someone objecting. And I expect a LOT of objection here in the South and particularly in Texas.

          • JeffH

            45, objection all around tha country…even California…who’s citizens are pretty well armed themselves.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            There will be a lot of forceful rejection here in Indiana also. They arent taking our guns away without them being fired.

        • Lubo

          Well said and I have about 150 family members that are willing to fight for our freedoms, at a drop of a hat. That includes BOTH foreign and domestic threats.

        • Mark Are

          We’ve already been taken over by the communists back in the early 30′s. They are just making it really obvious now. Haven’t you notices the COMMUNIST ILLEGAL ALIEN THAT IS OCCUPYING THE WHITE HOUSE?

          So what are the guns doing? Sitting around collecting dust and no body does anything because they are all waiting for the big invasion of row boat paddling Muslims.

      • Pathfinder

        Two seperate points here.
        1) I pity the fool who invades the USA while civilians still exercise the right to keep and carry arms. All enemy troops will be targets in our shooting gallery.

        2) There is a very good reason to pull our troops out of Afganistan. This way they will not be exposed to the blast and radiation when our nukes land. (Yes, I agree, we SHOULD nuke Al-Quida !!!)

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          And I would tell Iran to dump Ahminajed now, or they would be getting one real soon also. If they continue to let him have power and do what they are doing, Id let them have one also, then ask the rest of them “any questions?”.

        • Mark Are

          If you want to nuke Al Ciada you would have to start with the CIA headquarters where it was created for the minds of simpletons. Got to have that boogey man out there that is going to GET YOU while you are sleeping! What a JOKE.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Check yourself into rehab.

      • http://goggle jimradford

        to mr,45 cal,i sir am quite agreement with you and all that you have said about us takeing up arms to defend our selfs, if at all possible look to your left and you might find me in my tank with some of my friends who all agree with u and i,besides i do belive all of the vetrans that are able to fight will make shure you and i are not alone defending our mother usa against diaper wereing fools, that dont understand the right of freedom and how it could help them.

      • http://goggle jimradford

        in reply to what wayne said about the soldiers not doing what he wants them to do or even to listing to him, all of the soliders men or women would not be alone i cant say about anyone eles but you would find me there in a second or even faster if possible and would be proud to show my country again that this person cares and allways will.

    • David

      To SC:
      There are dangerous criminals living in YOUR neighborhood. Let’s nuke your entire neighborhood. That will kill all the dangerous criminals. Do you see a problem, any problem at all, with that approach?

      Candidate Obama, and now President Obama, has been completely consistent. He opposed the war in Iraq and supported the war In Afghanistan. Read the record.

      • 6months

        Obama said he would bring the troops home from Iraq 6 months after he was sworn into office. You need to read the record.

      • Jana

        David,
        We have read his record. We know it by heart. We don’t like it or agree with it.

        • David

          Please be specific and tell me what you disagree with and what you, under the same circumstances, would do differently and get a better result.
          Is is okay for all of us to have our passion and opinions. I certainly respect that, you, and all that write here. But all of us, ALL OF US, have the luxury of not knowing what President Obama knows. The same thing applies to the critics of President Bush.

          We are all Americans who love this country and want it to be safe and to prosper. We only differ on how to do that. We should all tone down the extreme rhetoric and focus on how we work together. That, it seems to me, requires that we know the COMPLETE facts of a matter before we just jump to criticize because our personal candidate didn’t win the election.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            How can you say this president wants us to prosper? By shoving a health care plan that 65 percent didnt want? By making me pay higher premiums and higher taxes so that the worthless grifters in this country can keep living on the government dole? How does he want us to prosper, when he apologizes to countries that want us dead and are killing us every day. How does it prosper us when he gives lawyers to muslim terrorists caught on the battlefield killing us? How does it prosper us that he balooned welfare, food stamps and unemployment, so that we all can have a little more sucked out of us to give to the bums that wont work? How does it prosper us, when he interferes with Arizona trying to enforce FEDERAL LAW, that this Long Legged Mack Daddy wont enforce, because he wants the hispanic vote so bad. Your nuts. This poser and his democrats have no plans at all to prosper us. They seek to flush us down the toilet, and they are doing a great job of it.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Berberoni,
            Just a little back-up to your statement. If No bama had pushed for enforcement of the immigration laws, there would be one more Nun in the world. A mexican illegal who had been picked up and charged twice for DWI and should have been deported was driving drunk a third time when he sideswiped a van driven by a Catholic nun, killing her. Had he been deported either of the other times the lady would still be alive! Instead everytime he or his cabinet are called on to enforce the law he is more worried about his voting base! When a state tries to enforce the law themselves, he sues them! When a whole city Breaks the law and forms sanctuary cities he leaves them alone like he condones them! The family of this departed sister should be able to sue the U.S. government if for nothing more than dereliction of their sworn duty!!!

          • lola

            I like what you said, David.
            To the commenters, i understand what you are trying to say but you can’t say Obama doesn’t want us to prosper he just is doing what he thinks is right. And Arizona, don’t even get started on that. The Arizona immigration law is unconstitutional. It supports racial profiling and prejudice against people that aren’t white. I agree that we need to do something to monitor immigration but this is NOT the way to do it. The hispanics have lived here longer than any of us white people have. They were the ones who voted for California to even be a part of the USA in the first place. They have more right to be here and vote than many of us do. Some of them have been here for hundreds of years and some of them have just arrived, some illegally and some legally. But by racial profiling we are just persecuting the true americans that have dark skin.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Hey lola, let me ask you this. If a gray haired white guy commits a crime, who are they gonna look for? Do you honestly think they should waste their time pulling over black men or hispanics, when they know a gray haired white guy committed the crime? Give me a break. This cop out of “racial profiling” is a joke. A stinking joke. The hispanics are breaking the law there, so duh, wouldnt you think for one minute that hispanics should be the ones getting checked? Come on man, get serious. And then, if I were the law, and I caught legal hispanics harboring them, they should be thrown in jail for 10 years. That is what is racist, when someone protects someone who is breaking the law, because of the color of their skin. That is very, very racist, and these people do it all the time. They should be turning these people in, and at the least, helping them to come here legally where they dont have to worry about it. Your racism shows through big time. “Profiling” is a cop out. Its good police and detective work to look at the people you are supposed to be looking at. Give me a break.

      • 6months

        The promise on Obama’s website: “Obama will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. He will remove one to two combat brigades each month and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months.”

      • JeffH

        David gives a typically liberal scenario and response.

      • 45caliber

        David: This is EXACTLY the attitude I expect those in power to use when they try to take over. “Drop a nuke!” And I believe that part of the constant hype about the dangers of a EMP wave from a nuke is deliberate – it is a warning to the people to not resist or we’ll put you back a hundred years and let you starve! And many will. But I also expect to see a mass uprising the moment such a nuke is used here.

      • Pathfinder

        No, I see no problem with such an approach. But then I AM well trained in nuclear, biological, and chemical warfare. BTW, How would your analogy be applied to the use of “Fat Man” and “Little Boy” at Hiroshima and Nagasaki ??

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        And he is doing all he can to make both of them failures, so that him and his Chicago thugs can continue to point the finger at Bush, while offering no solutions to any of this country’s problems. Thats it. If peace ensues over there, its bad for the democrats, and they have even publicly said as much. But if it all goes bad, then its good for them. You see, they have no interest in doing what is good for America, only in doing what is good for their party. That is why Obummer is going to keep our kids there, with no course of action, so that many of them can die and he can blame Bush. Its dispicable, but that is what these guys do.

        • lola

          Why would the democratic party not want the war to end if that meant that they would lose the election and control of the house and the senate. That is counter-productive and there is no evidence or sense that supports your “theory”. Use that thing called a brain in you head.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Because they hate Bush so much. Thats all they have, is to point the finger and say “Its Bush’s fault”. If the war goes well and peace is set up, and all is good, it looks good for the Republicans. If it all falls apart and goes bad, they can sit there and say “look what Bush did”, in an attempt to make themselves look good, as they cant do it with any actions or plans, because they have none. They got elected pointed fingers and placing blame, and that is all they are still doing. Face it, thats how it is. Even top democrats have said live on the radio and TV, how it fares well for the democrats if the war goes bad. Im not writing the material, just reporting the facts to you. This is what they have said, and thats how it is.

      • Jim Wright

        Sen. Obama opposed the war in Iraq because he said that the real war was in Afghanistan where we should be fighting, not Iraq. Now he doesn’t want to fight that war either. It was all a smoke screen because he is a Muslim. How about dong some reading yourself.

      • Mark Are

        If I was a PSYCHOPATH like the “leaders” of this world are, I wouldn’t see a problem with nuking the neighborhood to get those that are a threat to ME. And if a few thousand innocent people were to get vaporized? What would I car. I’m a PSYCHOPATH that has no conscience.

        Read BEWARD THE PSYCHOPATH MY SON, by Clinton Callahan and you will then start to see the whole picture. As Paul Harvey used to say…and now the REST OF THE STORY.

      • Mark Are

        FINALLY! Someone with a brain! I was starting to get concerned…

    • refuse2lose

      Do you guys realize what soldiers are doing there? They are guarding poppy fields and clearing the way for pipelines to be installed. Do you really think we are there because of radical terrorists? We are there because we need a presence in that area of the world. Think about this for a little while and it will make sense.

      • THOMAS STEWART

        Refuse2lose You Got The Answer With The Problem When The Whiner And Chief Is A Weiny Yellow Belly Muslim Whom Thinks He Can Talk His Way Thru All Prolems, Wrong, This Is Not ACORN Pres Obama, Yikees Nothing Can Be Accomplished With This Paper-Less Traitor Liar Who Should Have Never Been Elected If He Was Vetted, Yikees, No Social Security Card Plus Never Attending Columbia Univ Yikees, Pull-Up Rev James D. Manning PhD Obama Trial Of The Longlegged Mack Daddy Dumbocare.

        • lola

          I’m sorry. Speak english please…

          • libertytrain

            Press 1 for Spanish, 2 for English.

      • BigBadJohn

        Refuse – you are correct. Afghanistan was nothing more than a chess piece. When Bush went in he had the support of the world because he was going after OBL and Al Queda. But what did he do when he had OBL and Al Queda cornered in Tora Bora? Why he let them walk away to Pakistan!
        Tora Bora should have been continuously bombed till there was nothing left but rubble. However, that would have removed the whole reason for the middle east war including the invasion of Iraq.

        Afghanistan was a key piece in Bush false flag operation to open the national treasury to his cronies..

        • BravoOne

          Bush wasn’t even president when that happened, Bill Clinton was. He was the one that called them off. Get your facts straight!

          • BigBadJohn

            WHAAAT???? Bill Clinton was president after 9/11?? Bill Clinton invaded Afghanistan??? Stop the presses!!! Bravo one want to rewrite history!!!!!

          • lola

            ooh… is that what Fox News told you?

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Yeah right, and it was a war for oil for Bush/Cheney/Halliburton. Only thing is, oops, we forgot to get the oil. Your an idiot.

          • eddie47d

            Beberoni, Your the idiot(your word). Bush screwed up and forgot to secure the wells and too many were damaged to make any money off the “deal”.

          • BigBadJohn

            Beberoni are you forgetting Bush sent 12 BILLION IN CASH to his private military in Iraq – Mission Accomplished!

            That is just the most blatant of thefts the past administration pulled on America.

            Would you be screaming if Obama gave someone who was suspected of stealing one billion dollars a no-bid contract because it was his brother? What if he had no company to fulfill that contract?

            That is exactly what GWB did for his brother Neil.

            Was the war in Iraq for oil – sure but that is only a small part of it.
            The bigger part is the old magicians trick. Keep your eye on the birdie, keep your eye on the birdie – as they pick your pocket!
            Bush and the republicans picked YOUR pocket of 6 trillion dollars – and either you don’t even realize it or you do not want to admit it!

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Hey bonehead, are you aware that this well didnt start drilling until Feb. 2010. Seems to me, Bush was out of office well over a year at that point. Lets see, who was in charge of making sure this well was all safe and sound. Hmm. Who could it be? Who was president since 2008? Hmmm, Who could it be. It was Obama you nut job, now quit pointing the finger, errorneously, again.

        • Will

          From my very limited knowledge of Tora Bora, seems we had “eyes on” target. The intel folks had him surrounded and went up the food chain to NCA requesting Rangers for direct action and security assets to solidify the situation and capitalize – but were refused. The rest is history. Reminiscent of Somalia when we had level 1 humint with “eyes on” Aidid. While waiting NCA approval, the operators on our amphib platform were gearing up for approval to go in and take a clean shot – but were also refused. After that many avoidable and unfortunate things occurred that could have been avoided, i.e. TF Ranger… Blackhawk Down etc. When it comes time to go, the suits need to man up and let the operators operate, and historically this has been a problem. Just my pesos worth.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            BigBadJohn,
            It seems to me a lot of you guys are forgetting the lessons of RVN. We bombed and bombed the NVA under ground and when they stopped the bombing raids, they came out of their holes in the ground and killed more of our troops. that was in a country that was mud and dirt. The country of Afghanistan’s mountains are solid granite and bedrock! you could bomb those mountains 24 hrs a day for thirty days and not make a dent!!! why do you think our strategic air command is built into the mountains out west? It’s because it almost impervious to a direct hit from a nuke!!! Then there’s the threat of blasting a nuke that close to china or russia! You think they’re gonna just sit there and let it happen?

          • dan of arizona

            is this reconwill?

          • http://ReconWill? Will

            Dan of AZ..reconwill? meaning me, no. Meaning assets on amphib platform? that would be MEU (SOC) special ops capable…direct action platoon, comprised of security assets such as the helo company USMC, the DA Plt comprised of MSPF (maritime special purpose force..of seals and force recon det) and assorted cats and dogs in support of the show. In this case the shooter was from seals and course of ction was to launch them by rubber boats up the river, take shot with .308 M14, and retrograde. Good plan and would have worked but NCA had other ideas, or most likely no idea..i.e. clueless. Aidid’s son was Lance Corporal in USMC Reserves and maybe they thought he should take over LOLOLOLOL! This was the same bunch that refused armor assets early on..SecDef Aspen. Their focus at the time was don’t ask, don’t tell etc.

        • BigBadJohn

          Joe, Bombing Tora Bora to rubble was a figure of speech. But the intention is the same. If the roads were continuously bombarded, no one could have simply walked out like Osama did.

          I do not know the name of the bomb, but remember reading about it in Gulf war 1. This bomb starts spraying alcohol couple hundred of feet above the surface. When it hits the pillar of alcohol burns causing a large percussion that sucks the eyeballs out of any living thing within hundreds of yards. They called it the closest thing to a battlefield nuke. If these bombs were used they either would have killed the people in the caves or drove them deep into the mountains where they could be sealed in……

      • 45caliber

        Pipelines? BOY, have you been listening to many MSM reporters and liberals! First, Afghanistan doesn’t have any oil to my knowledge. Second, Iraq’s government decides who gets the oil – and most of it goes to Europe.

        Do you have any idea where most of our oil comes from? Canada, Mexico, Venezuala, and Iran. Not Iraq. It never did come from there and I doubt very seriously if it ever will.

        • BigBadJohn
          • eddie47d

            BBJ, Think Caliber will believe you now and it has been in the news for at least 2 years.

          • American Citizen

            I wouldn’t believe anything that comes from wikipedia. It doesn’t really have the best interests of this country at heart.

          • BigBadJohn

            Eddie, no one believes FACTS around here, they are happy in their belief in FOX news bites.

            You don’t know how many times I have pointed out that in 2008 Bush had a 1.5 TRILLION dollar deficit, but yet most people think his WORST year was about 300 billion.

            All you hear around here is about Obama’s false flag operations, but people will not acknowledge that Bush’s false flag operation, 9/11, accomplished ALL of the stated objectives of the PNAC.

            People believe what they want to believe and do not want to hear facts.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          He is another one of those Bush/Cheney/Halliburton war for oil idiots, only there never was a war for oil, or we would have had their stinking oil. The jerks are still just pointing fingers and placing blame, because the Long Legged Mack Daddy in the white house has no interest in winning. His party looks bad if Iraq has peace, and Afghanistan gets settled. But his party looks real good if it all goes to hell in a hand basket, and many of our children get killed over there. Then he can stand back up on his milk crate and point that Long Legged Mack Daddy finger at Bush, and continue to place blame. The democrats have no interest in winning this thing, or staying on the course set. He even fired the guy leading the charge, because he actually told the truth to reporters that Obama talked to him just once in 6 weeks. It makes me sick that America put this Long Legged Mack Daddy in there. He is a dismal failure, and needs to go quickly.

          • eddie47d

            Your so clueless on the oil deals so don’t be blaming the mack daddy or whatever ignorant name you have in mind.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Yes eddie, the Long Legged Mack Daddy is to blame, for all he has had a hand in. You cant blame others for his failures. Let the Long Legged Mack Daddy be accountable for his actions.

        • Mark Are

          You KNOW? You many believe, but you hardly KNOW squat. We all may believe the BS that is fed to us, but what we KNOW is limited. I have had enough evidence shoved in my face about 9/11 to KNOW it wasn’t done by 19 Arabs with box cutters commanded by a guy in Afghanistan on a laptop in a cave. That is the biggest joke of the century.

      • Mark Are

        WOW! Finally…SOMEONE WITH A BRAIN!

    • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

      I agree. It’s time to get our young people out of there. Those people have been at war for a thousand years and we’re not going to bring peace there. The Pakistanis are knifing us in the back, no Muslim regimes can be trusted, and our own government has become our worst enemy. Get our troops out of there. It is not worth the lives of our next generation. By the way, I am a very conservative independent. I just don’t think there’s anything over there worth fighting for. The Democrats are in bed with the left wing kooks and the Republicans & most Democrats are in bed with big business. It’s time to bring our troops home. Maybe we can use them on our southern border.

      • Pathfinder

        I agree, we should pull our troops out so that they will not be exposed to the blast and radiation when our nukes land.

        • Mark Are

          Another WHACK JOB.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        The Pakistani’s and the Saudi’s masquerade as our friend, while they are harboring terrorists and allowing them to camp there, and are funding their operations. I would delight in a war for oil, and go in and kick the Saudi’s out and take their oil.

        • eddie47d

          Always taking other peoples oil. Your wisdom got left behind go search for it.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Well fast eddie, where as you prefer to keep giving these arab terrorist billions of dollars, while they use our own money against us in the form of training terrorists and buying and shipping weapons to those who use them against us, then oh yes my man, I am all for going in there, kicking some butt, and taking their stinking oil from them, at least enough to pay for freeing Iraq, Kuwait, Afghanistan, and for keeping the fat cat terrorist Saudi Arabians safe all this time. Thats right, I would have no qualms at all if our government announced we were going in to make a war for oil to get back what we have invested. I would applaud Obama if he did this. Of course, that would take some planning and action on his part, and we both know that isnt going to happen. Now is it? So relax.

    • Corinne

      “For whom does Mr. Obama work?” Good question… Am I the only person who remembers that Obama was, during his extremely short tenure as a U.S. Senator from Illinois, assigned to the Afghan Intelligence (oversight?) Committee? Am I mistaken? If I am correct, I believe that, as soon as Obama got the assignment, big corporations with a financial interest in perpetuating the Afghan War put his hand in their pockets. Obama’s continuation of this particular war seems, to me, to be payback for their “generosity”. This is, after all, the age of Chicago-style politics.

      • Granny Mae

        Corinne,

        By gosh gal you nailed it ! Kissinger says they are grooming Obama for the one world government ! Food for thought. What happens to companies when they get too big? They are uncontrolable ! What happens when a government gets too big? One World ! This is why all these people are trying to take from those of us that have and give to those who don’t have. It won’t be long till none of us have anything except Obama and his Chicago cronies and the very rich ! Their speal is that everyone should be equal !!! I want to be equal to Obama and George Sorose . Do you think that will ever happen ? If you want to take down a tree where do you start cutting? We have had to take down a lot of trees around this place and I have never seen the old guy here start at the top ! First he clears all the junk around the base and then he cuts the base, and then he digs out the roots and fill’s in the hole !

        • 45caliber

          I do agree with you. Have you ever really considered the world governments other than ours? ONLY ours is pushing for a one-world government – because our politicians believe they will be in charge. Further, big business likes the idea because they won’t have to pay all the import/export fees.

          Russia doesn’t like the idea and neither does China. Most countries in Europe don’t as well, even though they formed the EU to try to compete better with us. Do you actually believe the French now love the Germans? Not likely!

    • Lee

      Sorry, Atlas. Those things happen, and its always when someone really comes up with a sensible comment!

      I still think nuking the entire area–Pakistan and Afganistan–would be a great idea! I was for that when this thing first started, and I’m still for it! Of course, we would be those “dreadful Americans who pick on the little guy!” Yes, but we happen to also be the guys paying for this fiasco! Bring all of our troops home, now! As for the Taliban, they’ll be there forevermore anyway, and the people in the two countries are going to have to fight back on their own! But, they won’t because its so much easier to whine and cry to the UN for assistance—spelled “U.S.A.!” No! Nuke the dickens out of them!

      • Pathfinder

        I repeat, the best reason to pull our troops out of Afganistan is to keep them from being exposed to the blast and radiation when our nukes land.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          It is so stupid for us to go into these wars, and then fight them their way, sneaking around in caves and behind rocks. Hiding across the border in Pakistan where they arent supposed to be, but hey, war has no rules. They hid in Pakistan, Iran, Syria, and probably Jordan too. Its dumb to play their way. Its like have 2 seven foot guys inside, and the other team’s tallest guy is 5 foot, and you stand outside and shoot 3 pointers all day, instead of using your strength of the two big guys inside where they can dominate the opponent. We have all the weapons we need to dominate, but instead we leave them home.Its time for a big Kaaaaarrrrrrrrrrraaaaaaaaaaaacccccccccck. The call up Iran, and ask them if they now want to play.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Typo. Then call up Iran and ask them if they want to play.

    • Bill Pitsker

      “s c” has it near-right (Aug 4, 1:32am), in that he mentions the minions who direct our actions. Every war we’ve been in since the War of 1812 has been a manipulation from the Rothschild Banking cartel of Europe. We lost life, we lost economically, we had to recover. They only gained, both financially and politically. We’ve become a “colony” of these banker/businessmen who still pull the strings of Western politics.
      We need to abolish the “Fed” and root out and destroy the infiltrators who control us. If we don’t, there will be a single world dictatorship by the end of this century (or decade?).
      One might also look at the wars since the Korean as turf wars for the drug trade (we’re in one at the southern border and we’re losing).

      • Pathfinder

        Bill Pitsker: I think that you too have read “The Creature from Jekyll Island”. It is, indeed, time that we both audit and then abolish the Fed. We need to stop the “banksters” (combine bankers and gangsters to coin this new word). In addition, let us kill the other monster that was born in 1913 AD : ABOLISH THE INCOME TAX !!

    • lola

      Ok, I’m sorry but none of what you said made any sense… it sounds to me that you are just anti-government. If you haven’t heard Obama has a time-table of a month – that means the end of August – to get the troops out of Iraq leaving a small amount of troops and service workers to continue monitoring the Iraqi police force. GB got us into Afghanistan and we would be complete idiots, aka it would be the stupidest possible thing for us to do if we nuked afghanistan, and he was the one in charge for the first 7 years of the war. The situation there is so unstable that the US government can’t just pull out the troops immediately, no matter how much us and the rest of the world would like that to happen. The government says it intends to pull troops out of afghanistan next year, no one knows how many yet but you, me, and everyone else can get mad at Obama after August if the time-table isn’t followed. You can’t say Obama will not do anything if he is in the process of doing something! You have to listen to what other people have to say and at least consider it a little before you climb back into your anti-government hovel.
      The people of Afghanistan and Pakistan and the middle east are not the problem. There are statistics that prove only 1 or 2 percent of the population are actually insurgents. If we were to nuke them, we would be killing more than 300 times the amount of people who have died in Iraq and Afghanistan put together, soldiers and civilians alike. Not only would we be doing something so inhumane we would be hated by everyone in the world, but also destroying some of the roots of civilization that lie in undiscovered ruins. In addition to those things, we would be making a huge amount of the earth that is actually fertile enough to grow food would be unlivable and unusable. The exponential growth of the world’s population is growing so fast that we need every inch of space we can get. Nuking that land would be like shooting ourselves in the foot.
      One last thing, in this article the guy starts talking about that New York Times with the “mosques spitting out fire” or something like that. I would really like to see the full article because all of those verses were taken so out of context its insane. It makes it sound like all muslims hide in their mosques and kill anyone that comes near, which I know for a fact is not true. That is just pure prejudice that will cause our demise if we think like that. Anyone who does doesn’t deserve to be a leader, a teacher, a doctor, or have any part in our government.

      • Mark Are

        Good to see some NORMAL people on this thread among so may PSYCHOPATHS.

  • http://www.gods-messenger.webs.com coolcat7

    I wonder what keeps the Federal government from using nukes to finish off the Taliban in Afghanistan, and Al Qaeda in Pakistan, so the U.S. government can save all the money being spent for an unwinnable war. It might soon happen, God forbid, that the draft would be reactivated and made mandatory for every able-bodied American men and women age 18 and above to join the military in fighting the war against terrorism. Such a very delicate situation, once nukes are used to end this war, then that will surely hasten the return of our Lord Jesus Christ. Have you heard about the “3 Days of Darkness” that will come upon us during WW3. I strongly urge everyone to prepare for this, its going to be frightening and horrible to witness.

    • wayne

      If we ended the Afghan War and pulled everyone out of Iraq plus all the support units around the area that are backing them up, we would have about 1 million more suddenly completely informed, highly trained, combat hardened, veterans back here in the United States – armed to the teeth and not even slightly afraid of what Barack Hussein Obama could do to them if they decided to forcibly object to the BS he is inflicting on the rest of us.

      • tg7357

        And that is why Barky will never let the war in Afganistan end. As long as most of the state national guard units are deployed overseas, he has just that many less trained troops for his own private army to have to deal with when the time comes.

        • Mike Austin,TX

          That is also why he wants his “Civilian Corps” of brown shirts to be just and big and powerful as the Military. That is ok with me. It makes easy targets and we know our Military will not be among them.

          • Denniso

            You people are looney! And, John Meyers is sounding like Goldwater 50 yrs ago wanting to nuke Vietnam…idiocy! What the use of nukes would do is open up warfare to the most horrible weapon ever invented by man. The ‘civilized’ countries of the world have all agreed not to use them and it would ratchet up the death and destruction in war to an unimaginable level,not to mention spreading radioactivity around the world. If Meyers thinks nukes are advisable then maybe we should revert to using poison gas,which would be even more effective.

            Obama inherited this war from the incompetent Bush/Cheny who didn’t use enough force and let the war drag on while allowing the beaten Taliban to regroup and become a real enemy,not to mention letting Bin Ladden escape. We could have been in and out of Afghanistan in a few yrs,but no, Cheny wanted to topple Saddam so they didn’t focus and instead opened up another mess of a war in another Muslim country that allowed religious hatred to complicate the action. Obama is trying to do the responsible thing for the country and finish the war.
            You and Meyers know,if you have any honesty at all,that if Obama had pulled out of Afghanistan after his election and left a terrible disaster behind, you all would be calling him a traitor for ‘losing the war’ and so devaluing the dead American soldiers sacrifice.

            If Meyers and you buffoons want to blame someone, ALL the blame and incompetence lays on the necks of Cheny/Bush and all of their supporters…like you people.

          • JeffH

            Duh!nisso says: “If Meyers and you buffoons want to blame someone, ALL the blame and incompetence lays on the necks of Cheny/Bush and all of their supporters…like you people.”

            Just wouldn’t be duh!nisso without a Bush/Cheney reference and some ripe name calling!

            Polly want a cracker? bbbaaarrraaaccckkk!

          • HHH

            Denniso, your are using intellectual reasoning with folks who can’t think or post in a rational capacity… one has to wonder, why bother”?? Chip and Bob love this “incitement” of the extremists!!

          • eddie47d

            Jeff H.:Who else!!Go back to your propaganda ministry and play with Bob, John and Ben. You’ve got your own name calling dictionary,so make it good!

          • Denniso

            Lee…you really don’t belong in an adult, rational discussion of anything…

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Duh!nesso,
            how conveniently you forget Klintoon was handed Osama on a silver platter and turned the offer down!!! More than likely 9/11 wouldn’t have happened if he had taken him out!!!

        • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

          Been saying that for years, but no one wants to believe the truth. I sincerely hope we can turn things around in the next two national elections. But, I have my doubts.

        • Granny Mae

          tg7357

          Have you forgotten that Obama is training his own citizen army? They will be used for his purposes here while our regular troups are kept busy in Afghanistan and else where ! Lots of hands to watch all at the same time I’m afraid !

        • Lee

          That’s right! He WANTS all our kids over there killed, then he can do away with the military, and allow his muslim pals to come in and do what they want! His “Brown Shirts” also have to be eliminated! We have an honest-to-goodness DICTATOR “leading” us, folks! Now, what are we going to do about it?

          • eddie47d

            Your screwy; Then Bush/Cheney wanted our boys killed (probably much more truth to that). Johnson wanted our boys killed,Nixon wanted our boys killed,Roosevelt wanted our boys killed. Yes you get the drift.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Yes denniso, we should have nuked Vietnam, then asked them if they had any more questions. Absolutely. Why bother spraying Agent Orange and carpet bombing raids over and over. Why bother. Cut to the chase, drop a big banger, and call it a day. Just think of how many thousand of American lives would have been saved. Thousands. Just like when we nuked Japan. The truth is the truth is the truth, and you cannot change the facts of history. It saves lives.

          • Denniso

            Beberoni…if memory serves me,you claim to be a Christian. Your comment is certainly not what your Jesus would do,is it? You propose obliterating and maiming millions of babies and women and other innocents in Vietnam, where we shouldn’t have been anyway? You sound sicker than I might have thought previously. You ought to think a bit about that disgusting comment.

            I guess you and others here would advocate nuclear weapons be used on any country that we disagree with in order to save American soldiers lives? No innocents from any other country need be worried about? Your God doesn’t care about them or count them in his creation?

          • eddie47d

            Berberoni, We never should have sprayed agent orange anywhere or even dreamed of using nukes in Vietnam.Your a dangerous man Berb.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            You are so wrong. When God sent Gideon, Solomon and David and other’s to war, he instructed them to kill every man, woman and child. So yes, I dont think He would have a problem with us killing those who not only oppose him, but seek to silence His name. If we went to war in the name of Jesus Christ as our battle cry, our enemies would crumble before us like you wouldnt believe. Of course, since you dont know who Jesus is, you cannot possible understand this.

      • Pathfinder

        A plesant thought. However, not all soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines would be willing to rebel. We are all trained to OBEY ORDERS. The military would, itself, divide into two camps; one pro-Obama and one anti-Obama. I admit that the anti-Obama group would be the larger; but please remember that our military is NOT one solid mass and is made up of individuals.

        • American Citizen

          It’s my understanding that soldiers are asked to defend the Constitution, not the President. And they do not have to obey unlawful orders.

      • http://goggle jimradford

        its about time that some one stated the true fact about all of the vets, and the rest of the people upone ariveing back in the united states might say to the diaper wearing prez hell no we will not do what you say,and go find your comrads and brothers and sisters and uncles and ants and so on and live with them because you are dam shure not wanted here you lier, and tell your lady to start paying for her own trips with her own money, you need to be inpeached not, and then let the next person bring back our people because you wont do it,you like the thought of all your realitives being safe over in your country.

    • Vippy

      We can’t use nukes it would destroy our precious and ever getting smaller earth. How can we promote Cap & Tax, carbon trading when we use nukes? Too many people, we need population control and we should have went into the last few wars which were based on lies and totally unnecessary other than keeping the unemployment figure lower. LBJ said in so many words “don’t let the boys come home for we have no jobs.” Same situation now. America can’t be innovative enough to create a good economy and needs a war every so often.

      • jbird

        Vippy,
        You wrote: “Too many people, we need population control…”

        So who decides who stays and who, er, disappears? You? Yeah, right!

        • Lubo

          Jbird, I agree with your comments on population control. The last person who said to me “The problem is simple! Just to many people in this world”….. My response, “I agree with you, so why don’t you go home and kill your “Progressive” wife and three kids and then commit suicide!!” LOL ):>

          • michelleo

            YES YES YES, Population control, kill ALL of the commie progressives

          • WarriorH

            OTFL!!!!!!

        • eddie47d

          Another Conservative Love fest,typical killing comments. Population control can be nothing more or nothing less that normal birth control devices. Not your extremisms.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            If we just got rid of the liberals, just think of what a wonderful country this would be again. That is the most logical place to start if we are going to “think the herd”. Get rid of the anti-Americans first, and that would be the liberals.

          • eddie47d

            Then leave Berberoni we don’t need any more murdering fascists.

      • Dallas E

        We Won’t Use Nukes Because– Big Oil Still Wants The Oil In Iraq & Afganistan , Kind Hard To Keep Drilling When Everything Is Radio Active !

        • TIME

          Dallas,

          Valid point on the oil issue, but as we do know from WWII and our special gifts to the Japanese two citys.
          Both of these citys are now just beautiful and oddly there is no radiation, nor was there ever, it was gone within a few months.

          So the base facts are these tools are not quite as bad as we are told they are. let alone when a Volcano pop’s its lid please note that they emit ten times what a Nuke would and yet we have “Scientist” walking around in them just weeks after they pop.

          I also must say that we as Americans don’t need to be in either place, nor do we need to have these wars that seem to just go on and on forever, such as Korea, Nam, Irock, and AfganOstan etc, so when our “SELF SERVING POLITICIANS” start in with we need to invade North Korea and Iran very fast.
          Please send thousands of FAX’s, Letters, Calls, Emails etc. to your Congress and Senate persons and tell them to just say; NO!

          These wars are doing nothing but killing off our Youth, its a method of population control, as well wasting or natural resorces, as well wasting our ears having to listen to the news with the “POLITICAL SELF SERVING” rhetoric daily.

        • Lee

          There’s a big patch of land in India that is radioactive, and has been for thousands of years! Frankly, I see NO problem with dropping the bomb, and it would get rid of thousands of drugged up, illiterate, worthless “humans,” and would make our earth a bit cleaner! Whatever oil or other resources are in Afganistan are worthless to the world anyway, so why worry about it.

        • Corinne

          Gee, if fallout and radioactivity are the problem, use an alternative – poisonous gas, viruses, Klingons…

      • http://www.lostnation.blogspot.com Jerry D

        Blame that on Obama!!!

      • Granny Mae

        Vippy,
        It’s not that Americans aren’t inovative enough to creat jobs, it’s that Job creators can’t afford to stay here with the jobs ! Where do you shop? Where you can get the best deal, right? Well in order to get that kind of deal manufacturers have had to go where the labor is cheap and the taxes aren’t killing them ! Things that are made here you can’t afford to buy. Look at the Auto industry. American cars are so expensive no-one can afford them so most people have gone to the foreign car makers ! Clothing and shoes are the same way. Our unions here have forced us out of business. They demand higher and higher wages and don’t kid yourself into thinking that it is for the lowly worker ! Ha! It is because the more they get for the worker the more they can charge him union dues. Do you see any big union crooks making the money that the hourly worker does? Heck no ! He is living way above you and me and he doesn’t do a day’s work to get it either. It is graft made legal and kept that way by buying politicians ! So don’t say Americans aren’t inovative ! I bet you haven’t been so inovative yourself ! What kind of inovative jobs have you brought to the work place ?

        • dan of arizona

          hey granny
          I agree with you except that there are no american cars built here since nafta which was to make them compatible with foreign car makers which by the way are here making there cars which are cheaper than american cars. When GM went across the border to use cheaper employees and rid them of unions the cost of a truck went from about 7500 to now 53000 with little tax to them we have been had.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Thats wierd. Because we have a GM plant right here in town, and last I looked, Indiana was in the United States, and they make vehicle after vehicle here everyday. So I find your information flawed. We also have a Honda plant, and I believe a Toyota plant. And the Honda’s are much better made vehicles, and frankly, its because the workers dont chant the mantra, “its not my job” like the union shits do. Thats why American cars lack the same quality, and it effects their sales tremendously.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Berberoni,
            The honda is the only “American” made car on the market.

          • Granny Mae

            dan of arizona

            If we look real close I don’t think there is any auto’s completely made in the US any more. Lots of parts from under the hood to inside the car to wire harnesses that are not made here anymore. I use to make the wire harnesses years ago but that went south. In fact I was under the thought that we didn’t even make any shoes here anymore but low and behold I heard yeaterday that NEW BALANCE is made here in New England some place. I will buy New Balance from now on ! It is a struggle today to try to support American made because it seems they don’t advertise Made in America. It’s just frustrating to see where we have been sold down the river and didn’t see it coming till it was too late. I think most of us are upset to think that we just went about our daily lives with our head in the sand and now I wonder if we will ever really be able to do anything about it? I went through life not ever thinking that there would be people in this world that could want to control everyone in a whole country or that there could be people that would want to kill us just because they didn’t like the way we conducted our lives in this country. In my pea brain I would just figure that if you didn’t like the people around you then you move somewhere else or go back to where you came from, but never would I think about killing someone or try to control an entire country so an elite few could develope a NWO . It is just more than I can wrap my mind around. However it is not so much that I won’t go down fighting for this country and all it stands for ! We still have the greatest country in the world and it is worth fighting for!

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            To Joe H., in reference to your Honda remark. It is true, that there are more made in the USA parts on my Honda CRV, than there are on most of GM’s line of Chevy, Pontiac or Buick. Most of Ford and Chryslers clusters and dash parts, and many, many more are all foreign made. I know, a buddy of mine works at GM and showed a guy on a car they were working on, and the guy just couldnt believe it. So just because GM tells you they are American made, it isnt neccessarily so. They are just assembled here.

      • Pathfinder

        Vippy: Please remember that nukes have already been useed before. (I trust that you have heard of Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and numerous tests like bikini atoll.) The earth is doing just fine. (I can not say the same for the former inhabitants of the two cities; but even there the cities have recovered nicely and are thriveing a mere 60 years later.) Thus I must contend that a few more nukes will NOT destroy the earth.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          And they will spare quite a few lives in the long run, and save a whole lot of money.

    • D J Lynch (KWVA) member

      What eeps the US from dropping the A bomb in Afganistan is those Mamby Pamby sissified jerks in Dc. Id like to be there drill Sergent for 4 days.

      • eddie47d

        Okay Macho Man lynch What would you Nuke? A cave,A poppy field,A couple of mud huts,A mountain top? And your in our military.

        • Pathfinder

          Hey eddie: Have you ever actually been in battle ? I have. As to your question; I would nuke all of the above and then some. These arabs would glow so our troops could more easily shoot them in the dark.

          • eddie47d

            Yup,13 mo.’s in Vietnam west of Pleiku.Your still a sick mother!

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            I agree with pathfinder. We can either kill them, or sit back and let them blow us up 10 by 10, or 2 by 2 or whatever, but they will continue to kill, until we exterminate them all. Unfortunately, this is a true fact, and you can either confront the beast, or forever hide from it. And Ive never been one for hiding. So eddie, you can call us sick, and spend your life running and hiding, but me, I fear no evil.

      • Pathfinder

        D J: What if we made it a requirement that only veterans could be congressman and that all lawyers would be banned from holding office in either the house or the senate. Of course we would have to keep some lawyers for the attorney general’s department. But, otherwise, I think DC has way too many lawyers, especially in congress.

    • 45caliber

      But if the feds dropped nukes there they MIGHT kill some innocent person! (If such a thing exists there.) And that would be HORRIBLE! Just ask the MSM! Take a look at the Rules of Engagement there. Basically, our politicians are insisting that our men become targets who can’t shoot back.

      Of course, if they get killed there, then it would be less Bible toting gun lovers who vote conservative here in the US. So – to the Democrats – that is a win-win situation.

      • dan of arizona

        hey 45 cal
        did you here that there is a new medal being given out? dont no the name but its for controlling a cituation with out using deadly force.
        I’m not making this up really.

    • eddie47d

      There is nothing cool about you cat 7; Wishing for the return of Jesus Christ by hastening armageddon is worse than pathetic.

      • Pathfinder

        Eddie: Of course you object to those who actually WANT the return of the savior. For you, once christ returns, the jig is up.

        • eddie47d

          Pathfinder; Okay nuke boy you’re already dead in the eyes of the Lord

    • Mark Are

      NOTHING IS GOING TO HASTEN THE RETURN OF SOME GUY WHO WAS MURDERED 2,000 years ago. Keep dreaming.

  • John Hasse

    and if a terrorist group from out west, say Wyoming would do something bad you would nuke Wyoming? the level of stupidity here is mind boggling. Better we should not start a war in the first place, and maybe even decrease our ‘covert operations’ that mess things up so much. There are still too many un-answered questions about 9-11 to totally pin the blame on ANYONE!

    • Bob Lusby

      No, most certainly not, the nuke would be addressed to JH ,handle with all due care.Wyoming? With a terrorist group? An old fashion roundup and hanging and the CIC would never even know they were lynched. As any 5 year old knows, the trade towers succumbed to dry rot. Any more insipid obsevations Hasselcastle?

    • Marc

      If our ‘intelligence community’(possibly not working too much better than in the previous administrations years) heard that Osama bin Laden was hiding in a small midwestern U.S. town, should we ‘nuke’ it ? Wait ! That’s where I live ! You still have to know where he is before you ‘drop the bomb’.
      There are some rather ‘simplistic’ views on here…….

  • annajoe

    This would have saved so many of our troops from the devastation that has been thousands of loses to many American families. Nothing is being accomplished and it has cost so much tax dollars for not.

    Drop the bomb.

    • Eric Bischoff

      To all of you who would casually drop the bomb, you DISGUST me. There isn’t one christian bone in your body. There certainly isn’t any intelligence or compassion. You are what makes democracy and mob rule so dangerous.

      • D J Lynch (KWVA) member

        The last time I looked, God told David to persue and slay and don’t take anything from the land and kill them to the seed and then kill the seed!

        • BigBadJohn

          The definition of a CHRISTIAN is they believe in the word of Christ!
          Please give a quote where CHRIST said to slay them all!
          Or are you Jewish?

          • DJ Lynch

            Read Revelations! That’s the last book in the bible at it will tellall about when Jesus makes war.

            P.S. He wins

        • Granny Mae

          Lynch,

          The difference is “when Jesus makes war” not that he ever told us to make war !

          • Lubo

            A man who would stand by and allow innocent life to be taken at the hands of evil doers is worse than the person comitting the crime. That is something that I would not want to explain to Jesus.

        • Mark Are

          So that was GOD that told David that? Sure and I believe in the tooth fairy too.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            The tooth fair is fake. Jesus is real. I know, He lives inside me. And he would rather I kill someone that let them kill me. Being a Christian does not mean be a doormat and be walked on. It is a sign of strength, but jerks like you take it as a sign of weakness. I dream of the day a guy like you strikes me, then tries to prostitute the scriptures and tell me to turn the other cheek. Which I will gladly do, after I deck you and pummel you unconscience and bloody. Then I will turn the other cheek, and ask my Father in Heaven to forgive you. Then, you might understand the truth.

        • Granny Mae

          Yes in the book of Revelations Jesus comes back and makes war on evil and yes he wins.

      • 45caliber

        Are you saying that we should never ever kill any enemy who is attacking us?

        • Mark Are

          Killing an enemy that is attacking you in self defense is an unalienable right. Blowing up the town the enemy lives in killing a hundred thousand other people is total PSYCHOTIC insanity which seems to be prevalent among a lot of the IDIOTS on this board.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            So you think it was stupid to save thousands of lives by nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki? You dont think we should do things to save our own lives? You make no sense. You can go around and kiss the enemies butt, and have a glass of wine with them sitting around the campfire singing kumbaya, but your not going to change their minds pal. They want you dead, and they will kill themselves to make you dead. All of us. Until they are all exterminated, or shown that they can be, it will always be that way. You sit and talk with them, me, Ill strike them down to save myself. Im sure the Lord would agree with me. I have no doubt in my mind.

      • Marc

        good point…. for some people, violence solves everything. Seems like the same view those in al Qaida might have….

        • William Barry

          So what’s wrong about it? They believe violence solves everything? Fine! I say we force-feed them their own belief until they GAG on it! They may be crazy, suicidal and ruthless, but they’re not superhuman and they’re not invincible!

          As my old karate sensei used to say: “The path to victory is twofold; first find your enemy’s weakness and make him suffer for having it, then take what he considers his greatest strength and use it against him again and again until he finally falls or quits!”

          • Lubo

            That only works if your skills and IQ are greater than your opponents.

      • Granny Mae

        Eric,
        People talk about droping the bomb because they too are disgusted and angry and the bomb is about the worse thing they can think of to do to people they feel threatened by, the problem is the bomb may not be the worst thing there is in our arsenal and it may not be the worst thing we could do to others. It is sad to think that we have come so far and yet not come far enough !

    • Mark Are

      Maybe they can come up (offensive words removed) ..fill in the blank you nut job.

  • annajoe

    Obama is using this war as a deversion as well.

  • wasadoc

    Or, we could just let the “prez” blame it all on Bush. He blames everything else on Bush.

    • Harry J.

      Everyone seems to think they are smarter than Obama. How about that? Have to wonder what they would do in similar circumstances! Nuking Afghanistan would invite retaliation from their friends. Our country if flat broke and though I believe both wars were politically motivated for the Bush/Cheney/Rove/Rumsfeld/Rice crowd, thinking of using nukes is to commit suicide! Why don’t we just give up trying to rule the world?

      • William

        harry you sound just like a DUMBASSED democrat,

        • eddie47d

          You are an even dummer Libertarian or Republican

      • tg7357

        And who do you think are ‘friends’ of Afganistan? Outside of the US, most of the rest of the world has learned to avoid it!! Afganistan is a quagmire: so far its defeated every effort of every civilization from Alexander the Great to the United States to bring it into the modern world. Theer are some problems in the world that just can’t be fixed, no matter how much effort you put into them. I’d rank Afganistan at the top of that list!!!

        • JRC

          Nuking Afghanistan (or any Muslim country for that mater) would result in an unity of Muslim countries like you have never seen before. Forget all help we get from any of them, forget oil from the mid east and look forward to nukes from the Pakistanis and attacks from everywhere on the globe…not just a small amount of cavemen…nope armies with the full military might of the Asian and middle east Muslims countries behind them,(remember the world is selling our “”allies”” the most advanced weapons and systems right now…to be used against us…there will be millions upon millions of them….100% united in they’re hate and will to destroy us. China and Russia will support them through the back door and we will end up being destroyed..is that what you right wing pea brains want? ….if so, go ahead and drop that nuke but don’t whine afterward.

          • Granny Mae

            JRC.

            Sounds just like the end times to me !

          • Lubo

            Once again JRC, let’s see your facts to support your statements. You obviously have no concept of the term “Super Power”. You aren’t even smart enough to understand the current yield of our Nukes. You seem to think that our Nukes are not devastating weapons capable of leveling a city the size of NYC 10 times over. Do some research on a 50 Megaton blast and then get back to me. Also, do some research on our current capabilities in knocking down a nuke launched from Russia….you will be VERY surprised at our technological advancements over the past two decades. Third world countries like Iran are somewhere along the lines of 1944-45 capabilities. Israel can defeat Iran in a matter of weeks and they know it and that is the reason that their current president is nothing but a raving lunatic spouting a bunch of hot air.

            The fact is, we use our superior technology to listen to their conversations everyday, 365 days a year. Bush proved that and Powell confirmed that at the address to the UN.

            You speak of our GREAT nation as if we are some type of socialized pathetic third world country that should be FEARFUL of IRAN? Are you kidding me. We can destroy them at the blink of an eye and Russia can’t do a darn thing about it and they know it. At best they will stike one or two cities in America resulting a total and complete destruction of their country….complete 100% destruction.

      • JRC

        People on the right always want to nuke, kill, invade…like violence has ever made a wrong right. There was a reason Bush did not nuked Afghanistan or invaded Iran…there is a reason Israel has not attacked Iran….and it is NOT because Obama wants it so but because they have information all the right wing arm chair generals and strategists are missing. It is always easy to sit in a trailer somewhere or in mommas basement calling for war and nukes….never having to face the consequences of they’re actions. It is easy for the writer to sit on his computer and write an article that is full of his own opinion and emotions but has no actual factual backing…such as real intelligence on ground and in the area. How much would one nuke in Afghanistan do? Hardly anything, Nukes are NOT very efficient in mountainous areas and areas where the enemy is hiding deep in caves. All the writer is doing, he is pandering to the uninformed hateful on the right side that would nuke the whole world over a penny if they could. The war does not go well in Afghanistan, and there are several reasons for in, one the incompetence of the people on the ground, the incompetence of the leaders and an enemy that is cunning enough to win a war with stone age tactics against the so called most modern and best army in the world….What will this country ever do if they have to fight a real army with modern weapons. An army that has the will, equipment and manpower to win…and there are many of them out there these days. Nukes are not the answer to everything, although they are devastating and powerful, they are also very limited in scope and usage…one of the reasons the countries have thousands of them…The US whines because N-Korea may have 8 nuclear bombs…pitiful, besides the psychological impact, 8 nuclear bombs of the size that N-Korea could produce with the nuclear material they have is not even enough to cause a total destruction of a city such as LA or NYC. Same is true for Iran… It is time that the right starts to THINK instead acting emotional and irrational…this planet would be a far better place.

        • 45caliber

          JRC: You wrote: “It is easy for the writer to sit on his computer and write an article that is full of his own opinion and emotions but has no actual factual backing”

          You are correct. And your comments here are a perfect example of it!

          • JRC

            From your comments you appear to be a very narrow minded brainwashed person that has not enough braincells left to do any critical thinking and just repeats what he is spoon feed on right wing hate forums and blogs..I feed pity for you.

          • JeffH

            45caliber, I fully agree with you.
            As for JRC, Polly want a cracker? bbbaaarrraaaccckkk!

          • 45caliber

            JRC:
            No need to feel pity for me. Like many people, I can see where we are heading and I can use my brain cells instead of repeating what the liberals are saying over and over as if it will then come true.

          • eddie47d

            So why are you pandering to the right especially over nukes and saying the same thing over and over again?

        • Granny Mae

          JRC
          Now why do you say all those on the right think in such a way? I do not believe in using nukes for war or domestic use. They are dangerous to the victim and the user in any field. To add to your statement of why everyone looses in their fight in Afghanistan there is one more reason, maybe two ! First it is their country and no-one knows it like they do. Second because it is their country they will do what ever they need to do to defend and protect it even if we don’t agree with them. We would do the same right here ! Nukes are never the answer, however we do have weapons that would work very well over there, if only we would let our generals do the job they were trained to do instead of trying to let some idiot comander in chief call the shots from here ! That goes for all the idiot comander in chiefs past and present !

      • s c

        HJ, like most progressives, simple concepts have to be explained to you time after time – and you still don’t get it. It’s NOT that “everyone” thinks they’re smarter than Herr Obummer. His main problem is that he thinks he KNOWS he’s ‘smarter’ than everyone else in the world. That ego/arrogance will be his downfall.
        For those who know the difference between raw sewage and prime rib, that day can’t come soon enough. Then, you’ll have to start searching for another Incompetent One, but that’s your problem.
        People who doggedly chase the wrong things at the wrong time for the wrong reasons (progressives) easily qualify as insane – or members of Congress. So when will you launch your election campaign?

        • Norm

          s c
          I wouldn’t count Obama out just yet. As I have stated before, the Dems will make it through 2010 with majorities, albeit smaller, in the Senate and House. By 2012, when the economy shows signs of life, people see the good of healthcare, and the war(s) begin winding down, Obama will look more attractive.
          No sane person wants a repeat of the G.W. Bush years, where lies and abuse of the constitution prevailed, and the economy tanked.

          • tg7357

            What are you doing? Quoting from the socalist/ marxist/ ” Dreams of My Father’s ” playbook? What part of ‘we don’t want 4 years of Barack Obama’ isn’t getting past your rose-colored glasses and the ‘Kumbya’ playing in your background? Americans don’t WANT to be socialist, or like Europeans!!! Barack Obama and his regime are a financial, political and social disaster for America!! In less than 18 months he has manipulated the deficit into the TRILLIONS of dollars and we have NOTHING to show for all that wasted tax money except fat cat Wall Street executives with more money, and thousands of extra hours and miles on Air Force One so the Obamas can jet around the world on taxpayer financed vacations!!! If that is progress, you can keep it!!!

          • Norm

            tg7357
            It’s you that are confused.
            You confuse right wing-nut extremists with the “American people”. You blame Obama for the Bush depression. It is taking time and money to recover, but we are back from the brink. No thanks to the foot dragging neocons who are hell bent on derailing American success.
            If it weren’t for the current administration this country would be in a deep depression, and many more people would be on the government take.
            Extremists will not win because they are dead wrong. I hope Mammy Yokum Palin is nominated for president in 2012. She sank McCain and she’ll surely sink her silly ass self.

          • LocalYokel

            Norm, compound interest is just as constant as the acceleration of gravity and will be just as deadly to some, albeit pleasant to all bankers that can provide for their own protection.
            If you can’t count out the whole regime then you must be prepared to explain just how the elections will be compromised to promote your agenda. Your tainted media has already noticed their failing bias. How will you defend the philosophy to the surviving generations after the greatest economic catastrophe in our history has ebbed provided that you’ve survived your doubtful future? The problem started long before Bush and will continue even when your chosen one is gone.
            If you are really worried about history being repeated then study enough of it to to become aware of repeat patterns that are always devised by the same puny ideologues that supply you with revived ideas, all guaranteed to fail again and again.
            No business can prosper with monopolized operating expenses over which it has no control against foreign companies that are not burdened the same. Health care provided by employers has been and continues to be the prime risk factor in business growth simply because big pharmaceutical companies hire brigades of lobbyists and boards of barristers from the ranks of retirees from government positions. They perpetuate legislated monopolies and protect their masters from lonely individual victims of their products. All of these are paid by the sweat of captive consumers already conditioned for treatment of maladies directly caused genetically altered food seed, pesticides, and other poisons in their water also manufactured by pharmaceutical companies.. You got the picture yet Normie? If not you would really enjoy losing your shirt in a poker game employing a “house cut” of the pot.
            Why should anyone wish accept a mandated enrollment in such a corrupt scheme based solely on your chosen one’s appearance?

          • tg7357

            talk about being out of touch with reality! Anyone who thinks that both democrats, republicans AND independents didn’t have a hand on the ‘Bush Depression’if naieve beyond words. There are no clean hands in Washington. And if I recall, the democrats were running the House for the last 2 years of the Bush administration. You know, the timeframe where the house of cards all collapsed at once? Or did you conveinently forget that, too?

          • Norm

            tg7357
            Bush was driving the train when it jumped the tracks.
            As Harry Truman put it – “the buck stops here”.

        • JRC

          And on the other side of the coin, people that are afraid of they’re own shadow, the future, progress and change (conservatives) are known to be phobic and that is definitely a mental illness, whereas the nonsense you have written has no scientific backing

          • tg7357

            If thats the case, then we conservatives are in good company because liberalism is a mental defect, too. You don’t give away what isn’t yours, and anyone who thinks that becoming one with the world in the shape its in right now has definately lost touch with reality.

          • JeffH

            JRC, is it that way because you said so?
            Polly want a cracker? bbbaaarrraaaccckkk!

          • Granny Mae

            JRC
            You sure fall back on the mental illness thing a lot in your writings. Sounds like you may have a phobia yourself !

        • eddie47d

          SC Your sewage Mumbo Jumbo won’t work this time. Bob L. is becoming more loony than you.

          • JeffH

            you obviously never look in the mirror…speaking of looney.

          • eddie47d

            Jeff: You obviously want to Nuke some country I can feel your sickness in my bones. You and Lucifer must be bunk mates. Please stay away from me you demonized creep for you are getting stranger by the day!

          • JeffH

            fast eddie, again I’ll say provide the fact that I support or want to “nuke” any country? Again, you can’t, but you can sure make things up and call people names, can’t you.

          • eddie47d

            Your always defending those who do – birds of a feather. Choose your bed mate carefully and stop sleeping around, your nuke friends will get jealous.

          • JeffH

            fast eddie, once again I’ll say provide the fact that I support or want to “nuke” any country? Again, you can’t, but you can sure make things up and call people names, can’t you?

            By the way, you’re really developing a relationship with Alinsky’s favorite radical.

          • eddie47d

            I was speaking of SC bumble butt and you always have to chime in.She supports the use of Nukes and you came to her defense again so that kind of ties you in on This subject.

      • Vippy

        have to agree. Americans are not only dumb and explains why they also bullies. Only 49% agree that the Afghan War is a mistake yet they complain that our government spends so much, enough proof!

      • Lubo

        We aren’t trying to rule the world…Islam is!!!! and if it were not for the good ole US of A…they would be ruling the world…right now!!!!!!

      • Mark Are

        Everybody IS smarter than Obama. He has an IQ of 85, a real genius.

    • Granny Mae

      wasadoc,

      I’m thinking maybe we should get all the political leaders together and put them out in the desert some place and tell them “OK ” you want war just have at it and don’t come back until the last dog is hung !

      • Mark Are

        I’d go for this as long as you are talking about ALL of the political leaders of the WORLD. And let “ours” start.

  • James

    If we had just used a nuke then we would be able to fix the defecit and economy instead of what we have now, which because of the interest rate it’s almost impossible to get out of debt, and at this rate I expect the united states to collapse by 2060, if not much sooner.

    • Lubo

      We have already collapsed due to the unsustainable spending and debt. This has been the “Progressive” plan since President WW and then re-instituted in the 60′s hippies era(Dope Smokers). Follow the unconstitutional entitlement federal social programs over the past century and it becomes very clear as to how we got ourselves in this financial disaster. DUMB PONZI SCHEME is an understatement!

      The fact is, you could finance every US war to date with the aforestated monies spent on “Social Programs” and still have a hefty surplus.

      Having said that, I think spending 10 to the 12th power many times over on these so called “Social Programs” should have produced a little better results in America. Heck, we should all be “Rich” by now, shouldn’t we? I wonder where all this money went? I bet the “Rich” got it!!! I bet those EVIL CEO’s and small business owners got it because I am certain that our wonderful “Progressive Leaders” in Washington didn’t participate in financially raping our children and grandchildren’s future.

      Heck, we all know by now that a “Progressive” just looks out for us “Little People” and could not possibly be “Greedy”. LOL!!! Come on back Michael Moore, Jesee Jackson, Billionaire Soros, Etc Etc Etc. How did they get their Millions-Billions???…… Playing off people who are dumb enough to believe their marxist crap.

      When people realize this, then the REAL problems will begin, like you see going on in Greece. Their will be GREAT civil unrest when the dope smoking dummies realize that the “Progressive” movement is nothing more that a cute little name for a false “Marxist utopia”. All this has been cleverly cloaked in the name of “Social Justice”.

      As far as the war goes, either win it or get out…it is that simple. That means every tool in the tool box should be considered, no exceptions.

      • JRC

        Don’t blame the progressives, blame criminal corporate greed, a runaway and twisted and criminal perversion of the capitalist principle and of course, politicians on BOTH sides that are immoral and have sold they’re mandate and soul to the banks and corporate outfits.

        • 45caliber

          JRC: Don’t blame the “progressives”? Why not? They are the ones with the stupid idea that everyone can live happily without working. Or at least the slave masters can.

          I’d much rather live with an evil corporation that is simply charging me for something they make that I want than I would for a “progressive” who wants to take all my money so he can live better while telling me what to do!

          • JRC

            Ohh you mean the republican owned banks and corporations…you my friend are on your way into slavery..and sadly do not even realize it.

          • JeffH

            JRC says “you my friend are on your way into slavery..and sadly do not even realize it.” Yeah, right…now get back in line like a good little follower…bbbaaarrraaaccckkk!

          • 45caliber

            JRC:
            If all these banks and corperations are republican, why does the Democrats pump so much money to them? And why do they give so much money to the Democrat party?

            Actually, I don’t think they care a lot about which party is in power any more than the parties do about who owns the companies. I can depend upon greed. They want my money and are willing to produce something I might want to give them money for. That’s not slavery since I don’t have to buy what they offer – and usually don’t.

            On the other hand, the progressives (as I think you prefer to be called now) want all the money without providing anything for it. That’s called stealing … ah … I mean taxes. And if you work for someone and then give them your wages so they don’t have to work at all then that is called slavery.

        • Mark Are

          Blame PSYCHOPATHS. Read “Beware the PSYCHOPATH my Son” by Clinton Callahan. Read it and learn. Google

    • JRC

      anyone that has any debt has nobody but himself to blame….it is the sense of entitlement and the stupidity to want everything NOW that has lead this country down the path to destruction…and of course that is exactly what the international corporations and bankers want…in debt slaves, and slave consumers brainwashed into wanting everything NOW just because the neighbor has it or its advertised on TV.
      The reason this country was so successful in the past was that people saved they’re money BEFORE they bough the car, home, gadget. The decline of this country as so many others started with the availability and wide acceptance of credit cards and credit for the masses. Suddenly people could buy what they wanted NOW even though they really could not afford it..and did not think of the consequences and now that they are realizing that they have been had and have been enslaved they cry. Remember the company towns and company stores where all the hardworking people had to buy from and never went anywhere because of the corporate tactics….well, welcome to the new version of corporate enslavement…all in the name of free enterprise and capitalism…..you have let the bankers and corporation pull the wool over your eyes, enslave you, put the nose ring on you in the form of laws and now they guide you to the slaughter house….and suddenly you complain because you realize what is going on….to late, the butcher is waiting for ye.

      • 45caliber

        As best I can understand your ranting, you are saying that at one time we Americans saved and bought from our savings. Now – due to someone else – we borrow.

        We borrow because we want to borrow and spend. It is the conservatives who insist that we shouldn’t. It is the people who can’t afford to pay back what they are borrowing that insist we should borrow even more.

        And I don’t consider the government borrowing so they can give the lazy a better living as being a reason I should pay for it.

      • Lubo

        JRC, Based upon your comments, I guess your assumption is that the “Progressives” do not own any corporations or banks? WOW!!! You had better check your facts. How did the progressive Dems in Washington become millionaires? I guess they earned it as a community organizer or as “Public Servants!!” or maybe full time “Dope Smoking” did it for them? LOL!!!

        In fact, your progressive President now owns one of the largest car companies in the world…GM or better known as “Government Motors”. You seem to have a simple utopian concept of who owns what, where and how. Some of us work hard and EARN IT whereas others “TAKE IT” under the cloak of “Social Justice”. When you “Take IT” then you have just redistibuted it, which is nothing more than Marxism. When you take something that does not belong to you, then you STOLE it which confirms that your ideology is basically “Morally Bankrupt”.

        Name me one system that works better than capitalism? Do you think that Russia is not run on GREED? How about China? How about your progressives in Europe? Why is it that OUR standard of living is higher and we have the FREEDOM to choose? Show me a system that has historically improved the standard of living for more of it’s peoples. You think “Socialism” has? Are you kidding me?!?!

        We are a FREE peoples who reserve the right to WIN and/or FAIL without any interference from an oppressive OUT OF CONTROL, consitutionally bankrupt federal government.

        Again, study your history, the “Progressives” have in fact BANKRUPT this country with their unconstitutional “Social Programs”. That fact is very evident and cannot be disputed.

        • JRC

          What are you smoking? You are saying Obama himself owns GM and all the other Corporations? Man the crap you are smoking must be strong ….care to let everyone know where you get it? Or do you just repeat like a parrot what Rush the drug addict Limburger tells you during his brain wash sessions?

          • Lubo

            JRC……LOL!!!!!!!!!! You dumb progressives never cease to amaze me! I have a VERY sober thought process my man….I will leave the THC to you dumb lazy socialists/marxist. Obama may as well own them because he controls them dummy…Oh, that probably makes sense to you. A progressive doesn’t own anything and has never produced anything but seems to think they know best about how to CONTROL everything!!!!

            Sounds like a 2 year old mentality to me or some self-appointed dictator!!!!! Fact is, your KING and all his Czars counld’nt manage a two-kid kindergarten…. They would all be fighting in less than a 1/2 hour. Sounds familiar to our current state of our Nation…doesn’t it! LOL ):>

            PS> I’m still waiting on you to answer my question? What system is it that you think is SUPERIOR to a FREE MARKET SYSTEM where you have unlimited freedoms to do whatever it is you want? Name one for me?

            Pick one of the following:
            1.) Socialism
            2.) Marxism
            3.) Communism

            Or maybe the “EVO” system where we worship your EVO god? Who are these people who are going to set up and manage this wordly eutopia?
            It has never worked in the past, so what is different with YOUR system? Since ofcourse you are so much smarter that we “Commoners”.

          • Lubo

            JRC….Still awaiting your answer?

            Is your eutopia:

            1.) Socialism
            2.) Marxism
            3.) Communism

            Which is it and who are the all-omnipotent ones that will set this wordly utopia up for us underlings? You know, the DUMB Conservatives or Christians, as you might put it.

        • eddie47d

          Lubo; I’m not in favor of big government and China has numerous problems. More than the USA,yet they have more than 4 times our population. Their economy is doing fairly well under Socialism.Even Socialist Europe has an overall better healthcare system than we do. Most of our system works great and in unique ways but we aren’t the only game in town.

          • Lubo

            eddie47d…..You actually think that Europe has a better healthcare system that we do in America? Have you been there? Have you been a “Subject” of their socialism? Or are you just restating the progressive cheap talk? I guess if you repeat it enough, then I guess it is a fact? Kinda the way you people have revised our history. What is it that you perople don’t understand about the word NO. We don’t want this marxist crap in our great country!!!!!!!! WE KNOW BETTER!!!! WE ARE A SMART FREE POEPLES not dumb socialists.

            I personally know MANY people who have been a “Subject” of their system and all have stated that it stinks to HIGH HEAVEN. You get care based upon your “Status” my friend. In other words, you want to give some sexual favors to some DUMB dope smoking politician so your wife can get that lump in her breast checked out? It takes about EIGHT months to get any attention in their GREAT healthcare system! LOL!!! By this time, your WIFE is DEAD!!!

            China is what? Are you kidding me? Do you have any concept of just how many millions upon millions of people have been murdered by their own government? People who have actually been assigned a number for their name? Communism???? China is what?????

            Lastly, I don’t mean to be rude but where do you people get your fiction about China and Europe’s socialized medicine?

            Again, name me a system that has provided more opportunity to the masses that this GREAT nation has under FREE MARKET concepts? Name me one?

            Do you actually have a name for this wordly eutopia??? Who are these GREAT people that are going to manage all us “Commoners”??? Let’s get their names so we can research theitr GREAT accomplishments in life? Maybe a community organizer or something like King Obama? LOL!!!

          • JeffH

            Lubo, don’t expect any response from fast eddie. He might actually have to provide some facts, something he has never done in the past.

          • Lubo

            JeffH…..Yep, I agree, that appears to be the case with both eddie and JRC. All talk, no subtance. They state things from their “progressive” talking points master sheet and then run off to the next conversation, if they get any opposition to their marxist ideas or if you ask them for any type specificity of facts. They fail to understand that WE THE PEOPLE aren’t listening to this CRAP any longer.

            I simply want one or both to NAME this new form of “Utopian Government” and the elites that will run it and how it may work within our constitution. They fail to understand, Like King Obama, that our founders put checks and balances in the constitution to protect us from THEM. You know, the smart elite educated type or better put, educated idiots.

          • Granny Mae

            Edie,
            Beyond the wait for health care in other countries, you may want to check further before you speak. Not only is there long waits for treatment if they get any in time but there are also modern countries that have you bring your own linens for your hospital bed ! I know of these things personally. I know of a young man that died from pneumonia because there was no medicine to treat him. I have sent many boxes or care packages to other countries,(modern industrialized countries) where they have begged me for simple aspirin for pain ! Socialized medicine stinks to high heaven! If you don’t believe me move there for about 5 years and try it out for yourself ! At our worse we have it the best !

          • eddie47d

            JRC; Jeff the puppet master has the Nuke disease and has always supported American Greed and Corporate Cons. He must have made a handsome profit off of those slime buckets. Yes,Lubo I did say we are a unique country but we didn’t invent everything and aren’t the best at everything.It’s nice to think that we are the greatest and we probably still are;but as I said we aren’t the only game in town. History is amazing but it’s too bad that Mr. Livingston is trying to rewrite it and trying to make America a vengence seeker.

          • JeffH

            As I’ve said SOOO many time before, don’t expect any facts in a response from fast eddie. Damn, I’m right again.

          • Lubo

            eddie……still waiting on your definition of this utopian society and the names of those elites that would set up and manage it for us?

            Is it a system like communist China who assigns their citizens a number for their name and then murders them at will?

            How about Russia? Maybe a wonderful system like theirs that caused the country to go bankrupt or the countless number of people killed by those ruthless dictators in charge?

            Or maybe Ole Hugo, I bet he could manage this new utopian system? He would just know so much better than us good ole FREE hard working folks here in America!

            Again, name me a system that has provided more opportunity than our system here in the good ole US of A.

            Bottom line, it is people like you who sit around and trash our country while you enjoy the FREEDOMS provided by those who are brave enought to protect and defend our constitution….disgusting is an understatement.

            You should have the pleasure of living under one of the aforestated “Rulers” as a “Subject” while waiting in line for your socialized “healthcare”. LOL!!!

          • eddie47d

            Lubo,Were only here to challenge your crap and to try and find some intelligent life. It’s still sadly missing so we put out a police alert. They said it’s still early but they can’t find any intelligence either. It’s now in the cold case files!

          • JeffH

            Lubo, fast eddie stiil hasn’t anything of substance to say…excuses are for losers!

          • eddie47d

            Good Bye looser Jeff. Hey Jerry Springer is looking for acouple of them on his show . Why don’t you and Lubo give it a shot!

  • Nick

    Blame it on Bush.

    He let Bin Ladin slip away at Tora Bora.

    The terrorist won. That is why we have surrendered our freedom to anti terror laws.

    • tg7357

      Clinton let Bin Laden slip away first. Not that it matters: this whole mess with terrorism could have been stopped cold in its tracks if Palestine had been bombed to ashes when the first TWA airliner was hijacked.

      • bunster

        “Clinton let Bin Laden slip away first.”

        Clinton had been out of office for nearly two years when the 9/11 attacks happened.

        Some of the ideas expressed on this page, including those of the main article, are not just stupid but absolutely disgusting. You guys are not just a bunch of psychopaths but a disgrace to America.

        • tg7357

          You obviously forgot about the World Trade Center attack of 1993. Clinton was still in office.
          “Some of the ideas expressed on this page, including those of the main article, are not just stupid but absolutely disgusting. You guys are not just a bunch of psychopaths but a disgrace to America.”
          Thanks for your input. We may be a ‘bunch of psychopaths’ as you say, but we can be cured with drugs and therapy if needed. You, on the other hand, are just beyond help. There is no cure for pig-headed narrowmindedness. If you don’t believe me, go look in the mirror.

        • Bob Lusby

          Didn’t Clinton have him invited to the white house for kumis and apertifs? No wait that was Monica Lewinsky, dear me,and they look so much alike too.[hint:Monica's the one without the beard.]

          • tg7357

            Are you sure Monica didn’t have a beard? LOL!!!

        • 45caliber

          bunster: You need to study your history a little better.

          Clinton was offered ben Laden on a plater and turned it down. He did use a cruse missile or two on a few tents but that’s about it. By refusing ben Laden, he set up 9/11.

          He made a mistake – like it or not. And just because he was a Democrat is no reason to at least admit he did. I suspect if you asked him, he would have admitted it himself. I’m not saying he is a fool for making the mistake – just saying he made one.

          Get over it.

          • BigBadJohn

            45, maybe you try listening to someone other than FOX:

            http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_bill_clinton_pass_up_a_chance_1.html
            Was Bill Clinton offered bin Laden on “a silver platter”? Did he refuse? Was there cause at the time?

            Probably not, and it would not have mattered anyway as there was no evidence at the time that bin Laden had committed any crimes against American citizens.

            AND:
            http://search.atomz.com/search/?sp-q=was+clinton+offer++bin+laden+&x=34&y=3&sp-a=00062d45-sp00000000&sp-advanced=1&sp-p=all&sp-w-control=1&sp-w=alike&sp-date-range=-1&sp-x=any&sp-c=100&sp-m=1&sp-s=0

            Claim: The Clinton administration failed to track down the perpetrators of several terrorist attacks against Americans. Status: False.

          • eddie47d

            Oh,Please 45 caliber, Clinton made his share of mistakes but he did go after Osama in those missle strikes. He wanted to do more to hunt him down but the Republicans in Congress said “we will not go around bombing people in tents to catch this guy”. The mission was dropped.

          • 45caliber

            eddie:
            Where on earth did you get the idea Clinton was going after ben Laden with his missile strikes? Is that what they teach you now is school? He had the missiles fired at random tents to try to focus the attention of the media on that instead of on his affairs with the ladies. He had no interest in ben Laden.

          • eddie47d

            Caliber, Are you that petty or are you only interested in twisting your ego.

    • Vippy

      Bin Laden died in 2001 in a Dubai Hospital before the eyes of our CIA who switched out the hospital staff. He died on complications of kidney dialysis. But we need a bogeyman. No way would the Saudis agree to have one of their sons drug thru the mud.

    • Granny Mae

      Nick,

      Thats a good try at stirring the pot! Stir, stir, stir !

  • Soldier

    Silly Neocon… Al Queda will never be destroyed just like racism can never be destroyed. The CIA trained and funded Al Queda members. You can find this info buried in various mainstream articles. The government needs its boogy man so it doesn’t have to be the boogy man itself. When is anyone going to ever realize that Reagan said it best: “Government isn’t the solution to our problems, government IS THE PROBLEM. Our government is more wicked and evil than even most tea partiers realize…

    • Vippy

      Correct, US has Al Qaida Name in its training missions since the 1960.

    • Chris

      Finally somebody gets it right, Bush senior & the Cia armed Al Qaida, when they were fighting Russia, The Taliban had almost wiped out the Poppy trade that our Cia depends on for there Black Opps. The only reason we went after them was for there minerals & natural gas reserves,& Opium Trade. the same reason that Russia was there, Who ever thinks nuking this piece of land is nuts!!!! We do not need War World 3. 12 of the 13 people who high jacked the planes were from Saudi Arabia, should we Nuke them? Somebody above mentioned the Ilumiati, they are correct. When the 3 towers were imploded that day all I could think of is what is this “Black Flag Operation” going to get the USA into next? BAM!!!! The already wrote ” Patriot act” was passed & the ” War on Terror” was begun. It is called “One World Order!!!! What we are witnessing today started when we beat Great Britton, & made our Constitution the law of the land!!! It truely gave us Freedom that no nation in mankind history had ever had. According to our Constitution the power of our freedoms lies with us & Congress, Presidents are no more than puppets to be strung aruond at our will. The people of the USA must rise up, vote these idiots out of office, & not just 20 to 60 percent of the voters. 100% need to wake up get educated about what is going on, & VOTE!!!! It is the only way that a peaceful solution can be found. If not Beaware Hell is on its way!!!

      • William Barry

        We may not be able to punish the 9/11 hijackers for their crime, since they’re already dead. But we CAN make them suffer in the afterlife. How? By declaring their next-of-kin as “marked for death.” Atrocious, you say? Barbaric? Perhaps, but it’s also taking the terrorists’ own rulebook of war and turning it against them! Besides, the populaces of Muslim countries would soon be begging and pressuring their own governments to protect them from “infidel death squads.” The Saudis, the Egyptians, the ayatollahs in Iran would be spending money and resources to do just that… money that would otherwise go to terrorists. Put the fear in the Muslim man on the street and put a financial drain on his government… talk about win-win!

        • Jon

          Dang I admire the researchers and lateral thinkers who DO come up with such practical solutions, in these postings.

          More power to your arms folks!

  • War Hawk

    The extended war created work and practice for the military.

    • Norm

      War Hawk
      Don’t forget the huge profits for cheney and government financed contractors and mercinaries,

  • Only in America

    Why have such a large military if we just nuke everyone?

  • George Custer

    Where exactly would you use the nuke?

    How will you measure victory?

    • Fantomas

      In answer to your query:.

      1. Tel Aviv

      2. By the aroma of burnt flesh

      • 45caliber

        Fantomas: It seems to have escaped your attention, but Tel Aviv hasn’t attacked us.

        • Chris

          Yes they have! Try Google USS Liberty. Read up you will see. They are not our Allie, we are there puppets to fight there wars.Zionism is at the root of the Illuminati

      • libertytrain

        I thought the folks that engineered and “ran” the Holocaust were all or mostly dead. Apparently not.

      • Dr. Mabuse

        WTF?
        Ok Fantomas, even though the actions of some of the Zionists are shall we say “questionable” … Nuking anyone whether Semitic or not is not a option. My opinion is that WWIII is closer than we dare to imagine and everyone regardless of their ethnicity and heritage will suffer anguish and extreme hardship. Some say that the cabalists want to reduce the size of the world’s population down to about 500 million people… (some being Lords while the others are reduced to serfdom.)Let me hang on to my illusion that collectively, we’ve got better sense than that.

  • tg7357

    We don’t need to nuke Afganistan: what the government needs to do is slap itself in the face and wake up to the fact that we can’t win the war over there if we are going to play footsie with Pakistan, the Taliban and the corrupt Afgan government. MacAurthur was right: to win a war you have to go into it with the mindset to do what has to be done, kill who you have to kill, carpet bomb who you have to carpet bomb, and destroy the enemy. Its obvious to me that Vietnam did not teach the modern and current US military minds a single thing. There is not a single war on the planet right now that can’t be won with conventional weapons as long as the soldiers who are fighting the war aren’t crippled by ‘political correctness’ and ‘international peace agendas’.

    • cemott3rd

      Actually we carpet bombed Laos and Cambodia and all it did was piss off the peasantry that then gave their support to the communists.

      Even if you nuked Kandahar twice it would be as effective as firing a machine gun at a wasps nest, you’d destroy the nest, but still miss the swarm.

      • tg7357

        And the reason CAmbodia and Laos turned into such a mess is because the US, as in with the rest of the Vietnam War, didn’t follow thur and finish what it started. Lyndon Johnson was more worried about public opinion than he was about winning. So the whiners got military policy changed, and once again, fighting a war became an exercise in futility.

        • eddie47d

          He was worried about a war we never should have gotten into. He should have ended it as soon as he became President.

          • 45caliber

            He was the one who got us into it. Trust me, I was there at the time. And I had to fight it for him.

          • ValDM

            eddie,
            FYI, troops were in Saigon in the mid 50′s. My cousin was in the CIA
            (none of us were supposed to know this), monitoring radio communications. Kennedy ramped it up with more troops….Kennedy
            asassinated. In steps LBJ, and the rest is history. Those are the facts, Jack.

          • William Barry

            There’s only one lesson we need to learn about Vietnam, and it consists of four little words: DEMOCRATS ALWAYS LOSE WARS!

          • eddie47d

            Eisenhower and even Truman had an eye on Vietnam and so did Kennedy. Mostly out of fear of China. That was another false flag war we got ourselves into and Johnson never should have escalated it.

          • eddie47d

            Wm. Barry, Roosevelt won WWII and Reagan ran away from the war in Lebanon. Check your history but it has become irrelevant to most in society since most wars are senseless so does it really matter.False pride is not a reason to start a war or to continue it.

        • http://goggle jimradford

          in reply to your statment of viet nam were you there, and if so were,and if not then you dont have a leg to stand on much less to even talk about, i was but befor i joined the army and whent in on my own i kept up on what was going on overe there, all we wanted mostly was the rubber rights and to own some of the land were the rubber was at either way we could have a interest in viet nam, i know because my unit was on wheels the hole time i was there and seen alot of trees that uncle sam owned, so try again ok.

  • Doc Sarvis

    If Bush’s bungling in Iraq were not enough to recruit more people to Al Qaeda, a nuclear strike that kill too few enemy and too many innocent people would strengthen anti-American actions all over the world. Al Qaeda has no “territory”, it is dispersed throughout the world. Killing a few leaders, even bin Laden, just promotes others and fuels the recruitment of more foot soldiers and lessens our standing with partner countries.

    • 45caliber

      Doc: I see. Then it would be in our best benefit to simply ignore them – or should we actually allow them to dictate to us – which is the whole point of terrorism.

      • Doc Sarvis

        No, we fight terrorists where they ARE.

        • 45caliber

          I am fully under the impression that is exactly what we are trying to do – fight them where they are. Do you have some information the rest of us are missing? Perhaps you could point out some better place for us to fight them?

          • Doc Sarvis

            No, you implied that I thought we should ignore them or let them dictate to us. I was setting you straight on my position.

      • BigBadJohn

        Terrorists prey on the poor. The only way we started making progress in Iraq was to do EXACTLY the opposite of Bush’s promise of “no nation building”. When the US started to spend money on infrastructure and made the poor feel more secure, then they started to tattle on the terrorists cells.
        I hate it as much as anyone, but nation building is how you fight terrorism. You have to get the people on your side.

        • 45caliber

          I’m of the other side. I believe that instead of trying to build up a country after we trash it, we should simply do a better job of trashing it. If they don’t want us to come back and trash it again, they will take care of the problem before it comes to our attention again. It may not be perfect but it is cheaper to be feared than to try to be loved.

          • BigBadJohn

            your way was tried for about 3 years in Iraq and things just kept getting worse.

            Try to imagine a “liberator” from another country has just moved tanks and armed men into your neighborhood. They blew up your wife and kids in a “surgical strike”. You have no food, electricity or water. Someone hands you a gun, are you going to use it against those liberators?
            That is the exact same position the Iraqi people were thrown into and the reason things kept going downhill for our forces until the tactics changed.

      • eddie47d

        Caliber, We fight them with intelligence but we aren’t allowed to learn foreign languages in this country so we have no idea of what the enemy is doing. We condemn their world and then expect to recruit it’s citizens.That would be a tough sell for any nation.

        • JeffH

          How dumb can dumb get? fast eddie says: “we aren’t allowed to learn foreign languages in this country”…duh!

          • eddie47d

            Jeff; I Knew I could depend on you to jump on that and that makes you the dumber ass. You do everything but make death threats against anyone who speaks Spanish.I take that back, You do make death threats. How many Americans know the Arab language? Did we know how to communicate in Iraq or even in Afghanistan. Hell no. Did we learn the Vietnamese language so we could get their citizens on our side? Seldom if ever! We go into many countries without any knowledge of what we are dealing with or even how to speak to them. We treat them like dirt and then wonder why we can’t get them on our side or even pacify them. So we don’t teach the languages that would do us the most good and we keep failing in our endeavors.

          • JeffH

            fast eddie, bottom line…you say stupid things, and with you that is a given, you get called on it!

            Point out my “death threats”? Point out my hatred for “mexicans”?
            The fact of the matter is that you can’t, in any way, shape or form.
            So either put up or shut up?

          • JeffH

            OH fast eddie, I just don’t believe anything you have to say.
            Just an FYI, American english is the indigenous language we speak in America, not Vietnamese, not Arabic and not Tagalog or any other foreign language.

          • eddie47d

            Jeff, Stop confusing the issue;your confused enough as it is.

          • eddie47d

            You have a poor memory Jeffy; Go back to a couple of your pro-gun conversations,especially when the shooting gallery came up. You got a kick out of shooting Mexicans and said how much you enjoyed it. You lie and then you deny-again!

          • JeffH

            fast eddie, it was a game fool, a game and yeah I did enjoy it, the game. Quite amusing….never did say anything about enjoying the killing mexicans…and that is a fact! Now provide some real proof…you make everything up as you go along, that’s why nobody believes a word from your keyboard mouth!

            Got another game you can play…called Bin Laden’s Liqueur Store Shooting Gallery! Go to the link below and then click on it and play the game…

            http://www.politesociety.com/

          • eddie47d

            How do we know it’s a fact Jeff? You made your comment (in writing)and even laughed afterwards (he he ,he he). I say you are guilty as charged. Stop defending the weird people that post trash and I might actually believe you.

        • 45caliber

          Not allowed to learn their languages? My, I bet a lot of college language professors would be shocked to learn that!

          • Doc Sarvis

            I’m sure that almost anywhere in the U.S. if a school board proposed an Arabic language course there would be a fast and furious opposition. No logical arguments to oppose the proposal and probably not a majority of citizens would oppose the idea. A vocal majority with hate would rise up against this form of education and knowledge about the world we all live in.

        • 45caliber

          Hey, eddie, I just had a thought.

          I’ve always been told that to learn a language and learn it well within the shortest possible time, you should go to that country and move in with some girl who can’t speak a word of English. You live exactly as they do until you learn it.

          I’d be happy to chip in on a ticket (one way) for you to go there and learn the language under this system.

        • Granny Mae

          eddie,

          You want to learn a foreign language? Well if you can’t afford a college education then save up $500.00 and get Rosetta stone . You can learn any language you want !

  • http://gunner689 gary neely

    You are correct. Thanks to weak kneed politicians and our pathetic allegence to the “world community”, we squandered our only opportunity to successfully end the war on terrorism. If we learned nothing else from Viet Nam it should have been to win wars quickly, with over-whelming destruction to the enemy, before the media and our other home-grown enemies can dig in and subvert the war effort. At this point I think that the only chance America has for a successful conclusion is:

    1) Deport every non-citizen Muslim from America’s shores.

    2) Cut-off all foreign aid to any country that harbors and directly
    or indirectly supports terrorism.

    3) Declare a irrovocable national declaration that states if America is ever hit by a weapon of mass destruction we will immediately retailiate by launching nuclear weapons against every muslim nation on earth. This policy will be unchangeable and not open for discussion or ammendment by Congress after an attack on America.

    Bottom line is that these people hate America and Israel and will destroy us when given the chance. Strength of force is all they respect, anything else is seen as weakness. Those with the strongest Will will win this war. Unfortunately that doesn’t seem to be the United States. Our military is at war and America is at the mall.

    • Norm

      gary neely
      Why do you connect the US and Israel as though they are Siamese twins? Our backing of Israel is the source of the Islamic hatred, and our appetite for oil provides the funding. We are our own worse enemy.

      • 45caliber

        Norm:
        I see. Then you are calling for us to repudiate the right of people to live and allow the Muslims to destroy Israel? And you believe by doing this that the Muslims will then love us?

        Actually, gary is right. They do hate both the US and Israel. Why try to deny it or blame it on Israel? Actually, they hate us the most because we have all the wealth (according to their way of seeing things) and they have nothing. Obviously since they are loved by Allah, we must have Satan stealing the wealth that should be going to them and he’s giving it to us instead. So it is right and proper for them to destroy us to recover the wealth intended for them in the first place.

        Besides, who wants a smelly Arab who sleeps with his camel to love us?

        • Norm

          45caliber
          The Arabs hate us because Israel has the best military equipment in the world, courtesy of the US. Couple that with treaties that commit US troops to Israel’s defense and you can see the problem. Remember, of course, that Arabs hate Israel and rue its existence.
          I don’t advocate throwing Israel to the wolves, but let’s not lie about the problem.
          As far as the Arabs being jealous of US wealth (Rush’s playbook), that’s ridiculous for 2 reasons. First fundamentalist, extremist Arabs are not particularly greedy. Second most Arab countries are much wealthier than we are due to oil revenues. If it weren’t for oil these characters would be riding on camels in a parched undeveloped desert, as they have done for centuries.

          • 45caliber

            Norm:
            If you check, Israel has the best weapons in the world – their own. The Uzi is considered the best infantry weapon and the Mirage (their jets) are the best there too. So are their tanks. Why should they want to use our trash?

            As far as wealth is concerned – yes, their COUNTRIES get lots of oil money. And that means the tribe who runs that country gets it. I think there is only one country there that actually distributes the wealth to their citizens. As for the fundamentalists – where can they get money from? Not their government!

      • Granny Mae

        Norm,
        If it were only that simple ! The Muslims have been at war with the world for a thousand years !

    • JRC

      Please, if you want to cut of all aid to countries that harbor and encourage terrorists then you will effectively have to destroy the US also. Remember, the people we call terrorist are NOT terrorist in the eyes of other governments and they’re supporters. We the US are terrorists , support terrorist action (with our support of the opposition is many countries) and do terrorist actions CIA in the eyes of many sovereign countries in this world……we call them terrorist because in our eyes, they are and because they….gasp…oppose the principles of capitalism, democracy and greed… and in they’re eyes we are terrorists because we oppose them and they’re system. If you look at all the so called “”terrorist actions on this planet” we the US are the biggest terror organization, using military and covert actions to spread our political believes throughout the world so that our masters the corporations can move in and rape the resources of the countries..in order for YOU to be able to buy your gadgets cheap.Just because WE believe that democracy is the best system does NOT mean that the rest of the world believes so too. Who gives US the right to invade and destroy other countries in the name of our philosophy? And don’t reply with the nonsense of God given rights and crap…god is nothing but a figment of the superstitious and brainwashed sheep’s mind…he did not give anything to anyone at anytime. Moreover, your so called God given rights mean absolute crap to people that don’t believe in a God or the same God…and like it or NOT, Christians are NOT the majority on this planet.

      • Yvan

        JRC
        You just said everything I need to say. You are 100% right. I am convince that the silent majority will agree with you. The irony is this, what make you think that the rest of the world wouldn’t like to nuke USA for all the damage and the misery cause by the rich greedy minority of lunatics controlling Washington.

      • Vicki

        JRC writes:
        “Moreover, your so called God given rights mean absolute crap to people that don’t believe in a God or the same God…”

        Which is exactly why our forefathers formed the limited goverment that was the United States as a republican form of government with Constitutionally limited powers.

        To quote them:
        “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.”

        The observant will notice that they said “..their Creator..” thus emphasizing that these rights are given to YOU by YOUR Creator. Whom or whatever that might be.

        • 45caliber

          And if you believe, like many liberals such as JRC does, that you exist solely because of cosmic accidents and hence have no Creator then you should believe that you have no rights either. And I think that is the real key to much of the liberal belief. No one has any rights so why do we conservatives insist we do?

          • vicki

            But they do have a creator. Someone or something created them (and by inference us :) ). That thing gave us our rights so no matter what they believe they have rights endowed to them by their creator.

          • http://goggle jimradford

            to forty five cal.have you sir ever been the service, and if so have you ever driven any tanks, and if so if you are able to tell me witch ones, because i have being in the 11th armored divions, whos base camp was on weels for 12 months, so belive i have the right to talk about my tank that you talked about on aug the fifth at 12:22pm 2010, so if you have not been in tanks then dont let your moken bird mouth over load you hummeing assets,thanks

      • 45caliber

        JRC:
        You seem to have a very odd idea of what terrorism is and what it means. But that isn’t surprising. Most liberals do.

        Terrorism is the act of attacking and murdering innocent people to force the rest to obey your commands. Saddam was big in that. So are the Al Quida. Once they become the total rulers they keep an eye on you and kill more if they feel it is necessary to retain your fear of them.

        As far as I can recall, every modern effort the US has made has been to get our enemies to love us – not fear us. BIG difference!

        It is only the liberals who believe that if you don’t pay them to love you, it can only be terrorism.

        • BigBadJohn

          No terrorism is the act of striking terror into people. Terrorism is an act of desperation from someone badly out numbered and out gunned. It is their only way of “getting even”.
          After 9/11 people were terrified to fly in airplanes, they wanted the government to protect them. Because of that our way of life changed, the Patriot act gave the government sweeping powers to change our way of life. Guess what, from the terrorist viewpoint – they won.

          • Jon

            Only the US Government “won”, BigBagJohn.

            Because they rapidly implemented their already written-out “Patriot Act”. Too rapidly! Considering the voluminous size of the PA document, it couldn’t have just been manufactured in a matter of days.

            The shadowy puppetmeisters already had their PA documentation waiting in the wings, awaiting their planned catastrophe, to launch it.

            Crushing even more freedoms from the lovely yet unwitting US sheeple.

            How ironic – to even call it the “Patriot Act” – when the genuine patriots will be the most deleterously impacted group; at whom the Act was really targetted!

            It devolves into a pure Kontrol issue ultimately.

            Just a thought,
            Jon.

      • Granny Mae

        JRC

        BS !

  • Randall

    Afghanistan didn’t deserve to be invaded. 9/11 was done by the shadow government which is called the Illuminati. It’s about time people stop drinking this treasonous governments kool aid. What do you get when you connect the terrorists attacks together on a map of the U.S. Watch this video youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjCiz47_PTY

    • Coservative at Birth

      Randall, I wasted 10 Minutes of my time watching this video. Do you really believe that Katrina was caused by some man made technology, and that Waco is somehow connected to the 9/11 attacks? The Oklahoma bombings may be connected, but I doubt it. Flight 93 was headed for the Capitol, not intended to crash where it did. Do you know any members of the Mason’s? I do, and they are not evil.

      • Randall

        Yeah, I know masons. They’re into organized gang stalking and they get most of the good jobs. Consider your self warned.

      • Randall

        Here’s more proof our country is ran by Illuminati witches. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=381KeLO4Brkches.
        If you need more info, Google “104 degree Ley Line”
        Or read the book, “Illuminati, The Cult That Hijacked The World”.
        Remember, Hitler said, “The bigger the lie, the more they will believe it”. They are laughing at you goyim.

        • 45caliber

          Actually I’m laughing at anyone who would believe this drivel.

  • Victory

    A “War on Terror” is as idiotic and unwinnable as the wars on Poverty and Drugs. All these wars do is create opportunities for expanding federal government and impoverishing the productive populace.
    If we really wanted to punish Osama bin Laden, we could have issued a Letter of Marque and put a billion dollar price on his head. Then just mind our own business at home. We can neither afford nor rationally justify our globe-encircling empire.

    • tg7357

      There is a price on bin Laden’s head, and has been for years. But before you get to collect the reward, you have to find him, get past his fanatical followers alive, kill him, bring back the proof he’s dead, hope the remainder of his fanatical followers don’t find out who you are, and then hope you can hide the rest of your life, or at least long enough to spend some of your hard-earned reward before the CIA leaks your name and you get killed anyway.

  • Ken T.

    It’s time to bring all our troops home, make them Border Patrol agents, and start taking care of our own. We can protect our borders if we get rid of the two faced crap in Washington. Stop sending billions in aid to regimes that do nothing to help thier own, and use the money to build weapons to use on us, and line bank accounts. Sometimes you just have to pull in all your guns, reload, and protect the fort!!

  • John Woodbury

    Lets see what is conclusion? OH, yes buy Gold and Silver (BTW, in the 70′s the Hunt Brothers bought a large quantity of Silver to inflate prices) and wonder upon wonder, this man has a gold sales business. What a surprise! And if America did drop the Bomb on Afghanistan what would happen, wow gold prices would really soar as the whole world would demand America be destroyed. And people wonder why businessmen are not trusted. In China it extras in the milk, and America, drop the bomb. Businessmen and women were once respected for the jobs they created. Now in the ”me” world no one trusts them. How sad. But thanks for a real good article for my Business classes in a few weeks. BTW Vietnam lasted for us from 1954 to 1975, so maybe 21 beats 9 by a few.

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear John Woodbury,

      You are quite mistaken. John Myers does not have a business selling gold. He’s merely giving advice to help you protect your wealth, which you may heed or you may not. The choice is yours, but forewarned is forearmed.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • JRC

        Bob,
        I have seen so many people advertising gold, gold, gold…..the only people that will ever get rich from this scheme are the people selling it right now and making money from advertising it. During a total collapse gold is WORTHLESS, you can’t eat it, you can’t drink it and any sane person would NOT give anyone the the fruits of his farm or garden or any food or supplies and if you have a ton of gold. Gold as a metal during a collapse is worthless, you can’t make it into tools, you can’t use it for anything….well, you can use it instead lead to fire your musket….
        If we have a total collapse, it can be years upon years before we recover….gold will be useless during those years and if you have any quantity it is also heavy and cumbersome….people would do better to invest in something they really can use, something that helps them and they’re kin to survive such as supplies (that can be bartered) fertile land that can be farmed and maybe even a small farm if you can afford it….but gawd…NOT gold.

        All that gold advertising and sales just helps the person selling it and some people are dumb enough and brainwashed enough to follow this ill advice. I would NOT give you even one potato from my fields even if you would offer a ton of gold in exchange should this country collapse….and it does look like it will.

        • 45caliber

          It is rare (first time even) but I agree with you. Gold is only good if it can be used in a civilization. It is worthless – less than worthless because it is heavy – in any really bad situation. And it can’t really be used as bullets since the slug would drop a lot faster, reducing your range quite a bit. On the other hand, if the US does manage to recover, Bob is probably right. You would at least have the chance of not losing more of your wealth even though you might not get rich doing it. The real problem I see is that generally when you “buy” gold, it actually sits in someone else’s custody – and they will be the real winners if it ever becomes valuable again no matter how much you “own” of it. All you get is a nice certificate.

          • William Barry

            I agree. Gold is a soft, heavy fragile metal with a low melting point. It won’t react with other metals or chemicals. In metallurgical terms, it’s worthless… soft, heavy JUNK.

          • dan of arizona

            hey 45 who owns the lead owns the gold

        • Granny Mae

          JRC,

          Bravo ! Finally you have dispersed some wisdom that I can agree with whole heartedly ! Good for You !

        • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

          Dear JRC,

          You display a remarkable ignorance of history. The fiat cash you hold when a collapse occurs will also be worthless. The dollar has lost 95% of its value just since 1910 (thanks to the Fed). It will be no more than strips of paper to be used as fire starter. Look at what happened during hyperinflationary periods of Weimar Germany in the 1930s and more recently Argentina and Zimbabwe. Gold and gold and gold-backed currencies were the only “money” of value.

          Now look at the five year Dow and Gold charts. The Dow was at 10,559 five years ago, it stands at 10,680 today. Gold was $430 an ounce five years ago. It’s just under $1,200 today. Who is foolish and brainwashed?

          Just as gold was used as a medium of exchange in olden times, it will be so again when the fiat currency collapses.

          However, that does not diminish the need for storing up food and ammunition, non-hybrid seeds, land on which to plant and raise livestock, tools, etc. I preach that all the time. So, we agree on the need to be prepared.

          Best wishes,
          Bob

      • http://goggle jimradford

        you are wrong i have seen him on channel 13 talking that if people wanted to buy gold to contact his company, either for gold or silver, as a matter he even had gold in his hands, next fabble

        • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

          Dear jimradford,

          Sorry, you must be mistaken. John recommends gold. He neither sells it nor does he profit if someone buys it. However, we do have some contributing writers who sell gold themselves. It is certainly your prerogative to take his advice—and mine—and buy gold, or not.

          Best wishes,
          Bob

  • Paul K. Davis

    One major problem, as there usually is when dealing with nuclear weapons–where do you drop it? If they knew were Al Qaida and Osama bin Laden were, it wouldn’t take a nuke. If they don’t know, then dropping a random nuke accomplishes nothing positive. Enlarge your picture–what’s the center of gravity for Islam? What do you threaten that Muslims can’t stand to lose? That addresses the entire Islamic terrorist issue, not just Afghanistan.
    Other than that, I agree with Victory’s “letter of marque” idea. Techinically illegal since the middle 1800s when the US signed international agreements against it, but terribly under-used in my opinion.

    • D J Lynch (KWVA) member

      Just drop it close by and the phychological effect would make the difference..A lesson from Alexander,the Great, don’t be bothered by collateral damage as no war was ever won without it!!

    • Granny Mae

      Paul,

      What do you fight a muslim with you ask? PIGS !

    • Granny Mae

      Paul,

      How many pigs can you grow and how fast? Then how far can you shoot them ?

      • Paul K. Davis

        I’ve always liked the idea of carrying pigs on airliners to stop hijackers. Not Islam’s center of gravity, but should be effective in making flying bombers think twice. Doesn’t help for Times Square bomber types, though.

      • dan of arizona

        Granny mae
        I love you

  • Victor

    We can’t “nuke” the Middle East and contaminate a third of the worlds’ oil supply in the process. If all Muslims are not terrorists then why haven’t these people rounded up Bin Ladin and Al Qaeda and turned them over to the authorities? They absolutely know the whereabouts and identity of all these lowlife bastards but remain silent! The level of stupidity in all this is that politicians start wars and create strife all over the world and everybody suffers for it except them…remember this in November folks and vote them all out!

  • pat riordan

    you americans regard the nuke as the answer to everything—–the taliban—-a 13th century army is trouncing your chaps on the ground—-maybe they dont eat enough big macs—-you’ve caused enough trouble in the world—-please declare victory and go home——-america is better than the military industrial complex—-and if you want to punish the perpetrators of 9/11 go to tel aviv

    • tg7357

      Chip, chip, cheerio! What? What? At least it wasn’t an American who came up with the bright idea of giving medals to soldiers who ‘show restraint’ in a war zone.

  • BABUSHSKA

    Over 5,600 young men and women have come home in flag-draped boxes, with thousands more maimed, both physically and psychologically for the remainder of their lives. And what has it accomplished? Nothing….but effecting the move of the Taliban from one strong-hold, and sympathetic country to another, continuing to bankrupt the U.S. and stretch the troops beyond endurance. As the mother of a soldier preparing to make his 2nd deployment to Iraq even as Obama withdraws troops, my son has, sadly, sacrificed his marriage and knowing his young son whom he will now never have the opportunity to raise. Yes, he enlisted, but counts the months to his termination date as all non-career military personnel do. How much, I ask you, can we continue to ask of these young people to give? Afghanistan is, and will be, a war without end. Nuking is not the answer. Withdrawing is! Bring our sons and daughters home.

    • Norm

      BABUSHSKA
      You are 100% correct and you have sympathy.

      • Norm

        That is: my sympathy.

    • Granny Mae

      BABUSHSKA,

      I have walked the road your son is walking. He has my prayers and sympathy. I fear there will always be wars as there always have. This one will be replaced with another one, and another one and so on ! I pray for his safety and that he comes home soon. Pulling out will bring the troups home but only to face another problem. Jobs! Then what can we do for our young men and women? We have no plan for them to come home only to bring them home ! I hope his life gets better and your sorrow becomes easier with time. God Bless you

      • libertytrain

        Granny Mae and Babushka – My daughter is still in Kandahar (her 4th deployment in seven years) and my son-in-law got back about 6 weeks ago. My thoughts are with you as well and appreciate all of us that have as Granny said, “walked in your shoes” -

    • William Barry

      I’m afraid it’s too late now. The day will soon come when this will no longer be just a soldier’s war. Surviving it, let alone winning it, will require every American between the ages of 17 and 50 who can walk and carry a weapon. The prevailing motto will be, “American, kill your Islamist.” Just like that fellow who tried to enter Pakistan and kill Osama bin Laden all by himself… imagine ten thousand ordinary Americans just like him, stalking the Islamist foe on their own turf, sometimes working alone, sometimes in groups, sometimes in small armies. They track and pick off the terrorists and their sympathizers one by one, like hunters. Before long, every living Muslim is looking over his shoulder, wondering if he’ll be next on the menu. Yes, a cadre of dedicated individuals like that would be something of an improvement in turning the tide…

    • Andy in Idaho

      Dear BABUSHKA,
      Thanks for sharing your story. I don’t think what the writer is saying the using Nukes now is the answer… just that it might have been at the very start of this terrible thing which has impacted your family and far too many families in our great nation and still there appears no light at the end of the tunnel.

  • Bob

    We can’t nuke them because it might destroy the poppy crops. Then we couldn’t import heroin.

    • Norm

      Bob
      If we didn’t buy it they couldn’t sell it. It’s just free enterprise.

      • s c

        N, that’s just free enterprise? Can you say RELIGION draped in IMMORAL, God-mocking, unconscionable behavior? You seem to think Muslims rate a free pass because they’re good at spreading misery to ‘non-believers.’ That makes them a real, first-rate class act. You have much in common with them, chum. Do America a favor. Move to Iran or Syria, and make America a better country at the same time.

        • JRC

          You can’t mock something that does not exist, religion was invented by power hungry men to control the weak minded sheep that can’t or for some reason won’t take the responsibility for they’re own life and actions, God is nothing but a fraud, a figment of the superstitious sheep’s mind. As long as religion is dividing humanity and as long as the brainwashed sheep believe they’re version of insanity is the only right version and they feel the need to force they’re insanity onto others we will have war and destruction….sometimes in the future, after the religious brainwashed sheep have destroyed each other the surviving humanity will abolish religion and finally have a future.

          • Lubo

            and I guess the GREAT I AM…Mr Omnipotent JRC will show us foolish GOD loving peoples the way, the truth and the light. In all his POWER AND GLORY, Mr. JRC and Mr. Global Gore will personally see to it that humanity will survive after the foolish Christians are gone. I sure wouldn’t want to be you when you face GOD THE FATHER in HEAVEN. You going to have a Bad day bro!

            You still smoking that marxist DOPE, aren’t you?

          • Granny Mae

            JRC ,

            My, My. Don’t you understand , without God there is no humanity?

        • Norm

          s c

          John Adams:
          “I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved– the Cross.
          Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced!”
          -letter to Thomas Jefferson
          I favor no religions incidently, and consider myself a Christian, but not a fool.

    • tg7357

      Nonsense! The Chinese and Thais will sell us all the herion we could ever want! Afganistan doesn’t have the whole market on brown powder: it comes from the Far East, too!!!

  • Norm

    Hopefully nukes will never be used again by anyone. It’s a card we need to keep off of the table. Once that card is played all bets are off.
    For you bible thumpers, Armageddon may quickly become a reality.
    9/11 will look like a sunday school picnic, when nukes start flying in all directions.

    • Granny Mae

      Norm,

      You can’t scare us bible thumpers, we already know what is coming. We are way ahead of you !

  • http://OUT! Carl

    GEt out and bring home the military and protect our own borders!

    • tg7357

      Nice idea, but protecting US borders isn’t part of the gameplan of the New World Order.

  • Jim Locke

    Bob hit the nail on the head. We are there for the poppy production. Look at the drug cartels that flow into America. Look at legal perscription drugs being thrown in our faces. Before it was the skippy peanut butter commercials now it’s all drugs. Poppy plants for pain meds is a huge demand in the U.S.
    Iraq for the oil it’s all about money. Vietnam war – Brought in all kinds of drugs to the U.S. While people were dying people behind the scenes were raking in the dough.
    Afghanastan is no different. Osama I’m sure is probably an agent working for the U.S. where ever Osama goes that’s where our Military follows.

    • eddie47d

      90% of all heroin from Afghanistan is destined for Europe not America.

      • Bob

        Tell us where you get your information.

        • JeffH

          …he says whtever comes to his miniscule mind…then expects everyone to believe him…

          • Lubo

            Yep….Don’t ask him to be to specific…..it hurts his progressive mind…..I think both he and JRC make things up as they go, after they do a quick spot check in their marxist talking points manual…..LOL!!!

          • eddie47d

            National Geographic,You ignorant diaper wipe. Get out of you right wing world and join others besides what you hear or read on this site.

          • JeffH

            fast eddie…temper temper! What’s a diaper wipe? Can you at least answer that?

          • eddie47d

            What you use on a babies butt after the changing and I actually had to explain that to you? Do you live in a cave?

  • Tom

    So you think Cronkite called Tet correctly? We kicked Charlie’s gluteus maximus in Tet. The media mis-portrayed it then as they do now. The enemy suffered losses at a rate of more than 10 to 1. It was an absolute military disaster for the north. If you think we lost on Tet, you are clueless or have an agenda.

    The north suffered a horrendous military defeat that was turned into a political victory by the sissy US news agencies who lied about it and stirred up American discontent, particularly among college students, traditionally the most gullible of political neophytes.

    Enemy KIA 45,000 (what they admit)
    US & all Allies KIA 4,324

    Who kicked who’s butt here? Only in America could numbers like that be called defeat.

  • Bob

    What is going to happen when we fight a war that has the military capabilities of the US. We’re just beating up on defensless countries.

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Linda s

    LET THE OLD AH’S GO FIGHT THE WAR THEY START AND GIVE OUR YOUNG BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE A CHANCE TO LIVE LET AH OBAMA GO TO WAR NO HE WON’T BECAUSE HE IS A COWARD AND I AM NOT DEFAMING HIS CHARATER BECAUSE HE HAS NONE, I TOTALLY ABSOLUTELY HATE HIM HE IS THE ANTI-AMERICAN NIGHTMARE THAT WE HAVE BEEN WARNED ABOUT PEOPLE HE IS ONLY 7% BLACK PEOPLE IF YOU WANT BLACK FOR PRES THEN GET YOURSELF A REAL BLACK MAN THAT LOVES HIS COUNTRY

  • Stephen

    I must say I did not read this article.And quite frankly, I am considering never receiving this newsletter again.
    I am quite frankly, speechless and appalled.Afghanistan is a sovereign nation and it should be treated as such. We have no right to their resources. We have no right to force them to live the way we think they ought to. And we certainly do not have the right to kill them.
    I don’t know why it’s so clear to me (a high school dropout) that the problem we have with the Middle East is the Western nations have abandoned their moral compass. We call it a secular government. They do not have secular governments. They may have corrupted governments, corrupted by the Western schizophrenia.
    I’m just shocked.The collateral damage from a nuke is mind-boggling to me. Let’s remember collateral damage is killing innocence, men, women,children, old people,and animals. It is destroying the environment.
    I am so shocked at how shallow an individual has to be to so blatantly advocate killing innocent people.
    Shame on you.

    • Eric Bischoff

      You are right Stephen. Unfortunately I am hearing a lot of this heartless, disgusting saber rattling talk from wealthy Jewish Americans. I personally make it a point to sign up to all kinds of newsletters so that I can stay abreast of the madness. This place is one of them.

    • Bob

      You’re right Stephen The only ones who want to nuke innocent people are the cowards that won’t go over there to fight.

  • Peter

    Lies, damn lies and statistics. John Myers, you are an absolute fruitcake! People like you should have all died out in the 1960′s and yes, I’m old enough to remember the 60′s, and I was really there! I can not believe that anybody believes this crap any more. Next he’ll be saying the sky is falling! The reality is, if the shrub had the will to kill OBL at the beginning, it would have been done by consistent bombing. The intelligence was there, just not the will. Fact is, the shrub has close ties to the BL family through oil links. Don’t want to go knocking off your buddy’s brother now, do ya sonny Jim!

  • Eric Bischoff

    JM, the fact that you even bring this up is a disgrace.

    To all of you Tea Party activists, Libertarians, et al. Live what you preach. Go back to the original constitution and follow the principles set forth for this country. All of that went to hell in a hand basket when we decided to start meddling in foreign affairs with the Spanish American war. That should be our starting point. Bring all of the troops home, repurpose the military to protect our borders. Eliminate our out of control intelligence apparatus who has become nothing more than a worldwide disinformation and assassination machine. Seriously cut the military industrial complex budget and stop being SO AFRAID. We have enough arsenal to destroy the world over many times. And you better hurry up and outlaw and take down mercenary companies like Z/Blackwater, if it’s not already too late as they will be the personal guards of the status quo ruling class and god help anyone who is in their way. This democracy was lost a long time ago.

    • tg7357

      ” To all of you Tea Party activists, Libertarians, et al. Live what you preach. Go back to the original constitution and follow the principles set forth for this country. All of that went to hell in a hand basket when we decided to start meddling in foreign affairs with the Spanish American war.”
      Spanish-American War = Theodore Roosevelt = Progressive. What exactly does that have to do with the Tea Party? Last I heard, the Tea Party doesn’t care much for Progressives.

      • Eric Bischoff

        Oh I see so it’s not the rule of law or constitution or HUMAN Rights that matters, it’s only about my -ism or my party, my religion, my country or my thinking is better than yours. And I can’t listen learn or change because I am stuck in my phobias.

        • tg7357

          “Oh I see so it’s not the rule of law or constitution or HUMAN Rights that matters, it’s only about my -ism or my party, my religion, my country or my thinking is better than yours. And I can’t listen learn or change because I am stuck in my phobias”
          How about the ‘human rights’ of those 3000+ people who died in the World Trade Center? Or the Pentagon? Or hey! just for the h#ll of it, that godforsaken field in Pennsylvania? Terrorism has no morality. Anyone who even has a glimmer of an idea that what is being done in the name of radical Islam has a real bad thinking problem. Something isn’t connecting upstairs. You and your kind don’t seem to understand something: it isn’t about democracy anymore. Thanks to liberal thinking that its OK to murder unarmed citizens, attack other countries in the name of promoting the demise of Western culture and bending their knee to the rule of ‘political correctness’ , this has now become a fight for survival, not just freedom. Since we are being attacked all over the world, then we have to fight all over the world. Its better than becoming slaves of Sharia Law and Islam.

          • eddie47d

            Tg7357; We have killed thousands of innocents in too many wars and other conflicts to even mention them all. We poked and prodded the Middle East for a Hundred years and they finally struck back. They may have governments we don’t agree with but it’s their governments and their dictators. If we can’t do business with them then stay out of their territories.

    • Granny Mae

      Eric,

      We never had a democracy, we have a republic. Maybe that is the problem. Everyone is living as though we had a democracy and it doesn’t exist !

  • Peter

    …and one more thing, the only reason both Russia and the US have ever been interested in Afghanistan is because of Caspian sea oil. Control Afghanistan and you control,the flow of Caspian sea oil. Damn this is a foolish war.

  • Annie Ladysmith

    America is only working for Zionist Yid interests, in the M.E., in the world, and in America. Our government works for Israhell. That is why the retreating Iraq army was massacred by fuel cell bombs on the eve of Purim. Hey! do you own frickin’ research! Wake-up! WWIII is right around the courner and American cities will likely be nuked, much bigger than 9-11, diffinitely Bankster-Yid rule with resulting blood bath, check out French and Russian revolutions.

    Are you one of them Myers, what insanity to nuke a country of poor farmers, BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW THE CIA STEALS THERE OPIUM and now, along with Mossad, control the central stations for opium AND cocaine. Remember, the mafia don in the shit house just sent 7000 troops to Columbia, that would be the cocaine station, incase you didn’t know. You do not know what you’re talking about, if you really want to nuke innocent farmers, that had nothing to do with 9-11, you are a nutjob or a Zid yourself!

    • libertytrain

      good grief.

      • Lubo

        I concur….to much THC and Michael Moore, can be the only logical answer. Unbelievable what these people are capable of coming up with.

  • Terrie

    I think the nuke could be used effectively to bring about peace. We must eradicate the terrorism any way we can. However, I don’t feel that we have done enough with the alternatives. Even heavy bombing and surges could work if the war planners stop worrying about the families that live with these terrorists. The terrorists use their families as shields and we cannot allow that to stop us from getting rid of the terrorists for good. Bomb the holy hell out of all terrorist areas. I know they hide everywhere but killing their nests is effective. Those who are not involved need to move out of the way to safety. We can help them elsewhere.

    • Eric Bischoff

      Terrie you are an idiot.

      You can’t eradicate terrorism because you are not willing to mind your own business. You covet other people’s resources, you lie, you steal, you kill. You are everything but a Christian. In case you weren’t paying attention in class. The Arabs have told us why they hate us and what they want. They want us to get our military troops out of the Middle East.

      It’s not that complicated!

      Terrorism is Merely the Eventual and Desperate Pushback that Results from Occupation, Oppression and Exploitation.

      It used to be called freedom fighting or resistance.

      • Norm

        Eric Bischoff
        Agreed. Ones man’s terrorist is another man’s patriot.
        I’m sure G. Washington and company were considered terrorists by the British.

        • eddie47d

          So true and our terrorist won!

    • Bob

      Hey Terry How many people belong to Al-Qaeda and the Taliban? We’ve already killed 2 million people.

  • Terrie

    Annie Ladysmith, if you have studied the bible at all you would know that we must stand by Israel. We don’t always have to agree with her but we cannot allow others to attack Israel. It is written and in case you haven’t noticed, the more we get away from God the worse things get. I go with God, not the stupidity of man.

    • JRC

      Terrie,
      You have taken the bait hook and sinker….you have been brainwashed by the master race to be an all supporting slave…I feel pity for you.
      Religion was invented by power hungry men to control the superstitious sheep…and as seen by your post, it sadly still works…but what can one expect after thousands of years of brainwashing the simple minded.

      • Lubo

        Don’t pay too much attention to JRC. He talks but he has no clue. I think years of heavy THC consumption has killed most of his brain cells.

        He appears to be the typical marxist radical that was most likely educated by the same idiots that educated King Obama. They hate America and they hate GOD, and would have you believe that THEY know so much better than we do. Heck, they even know better than GOD!

        SMART PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just look at how well things are shaping up in this “Fundamental Transformation of America”. LOL!!!

        JRC, you still smoking that marxist dope?

    • Bob

      That isn’t the original Bible that you’ve been reading. It’s been changed to fit history today.

      • Dale on left coast

        Really Bob . . . when was that???

        The only “Brainwashing” going on today is in the church of Lieberalism and Progressivism. Evidence . . . Obamabots . . . case closed.

        • eddie47d

          Terrie and Dale Afghanistan has nothing to do with Israel and Terrie,You are distorting the Bible. Little difference than the 9/11 hijackers distorting the Koran.

          • ValDM

            Your are right that she’s distorting the Bible. What it says is:
            And I will make you a great nation. And I will bless you and make
            your name great. And your shall be a blessing……..Gen 12:2
            And I will bless those that belss you and curse those who curse you.
            And in you shall all families of the earth be blessed…….Gen 12:3
            These verses have been taken from the CEV.

  • patrick

    everybody is missing the big picture! we need to develop nuclear bombs that will only target radical muslims, terrorists, and or any other person that is anti-christian. we already have that technology which we have learned from captured aliens and their space ships. like my church minister preached one sunday, the current war’s are simply an existance of the war that began at the begining of time, when one brother split and had sex with a woman and the other brother didn’t agree. so you see, GOD, has on purpose, given us all a brain to make our own decisions, or to pass or fail his test. the woman, eve, ate the fruit, and now we all have to wear clothing and suffer. can you not see this is an religious war and if you do not believe in and have faith in GOD, you are doomed to suffer in life and there after.

    • Norm

      patrick
      Killing all non-christians is really God’s will. Dah! I’d find another “church” and another preacher. For you I’d suggest someone like Jim Jones.

    • JRC

      religious zealots like you will be the destruction of humanity… this is insane pure and simple. You want to kill the rest of the world in the name of your fictitious God? A god that you believe is all powerful but appears to be lazy enough to let this own creation destroy itself? What insanity is this? You are right in line with the Mullahs in Iran and the Taliban….who believe that they’re version of insanity and superstition is the only version that counts. Wake up people, the only people that will in the end benefit from all of this nonsense are the rich people that lead you by your noses to the slaughterhouse.Once you mentally ill people (religious people) have destroyed yourself the ruling elite will sit back and laugh they’re asses off, rebuilding this planet with just enough slaves to serve them forever.

      • Lubo

        You still smoking that marxist dope aren’t you boy?

    • Bob

      Christians have been killing Muslims for hundreds of years. What do you think was going on during the Crusades?

      • Dale on left coast

        Bob . . . go read a history book. The Crusades began because the “moon god fanatics” were at the gates of Paris and Vienna.
        Everywhere the followers of the moon god have gone in the world they have caused problems . . . from the 7th century to the present.
        What will you do when they get to your neighborhood???

        • Bob

          We can drink KoolAid together.

    • Yvan

      Patrick
      Where did you get your education? “The woman ate the fruit”
      According to the Bible it’s not the woman but the man that ate the fruit. For that bad action the human race is condemn to pain and hard labor. My gosh! can you explain to me why the animal world is suffering so much? I know it must be the goat, or wait, may be the rhino or the monkey that had a bite at this bloody apple to.

    • Granny Mae

      Patrick,

      Holly crap!!!!!!!! Where did this mess come from? Oh I know outer space ! Yikes !

  • http://fcernhart@yahoo.com Marianne

    Friends,

    Did it ever occur to you that action AND inaction against
    Al-Quaida etc. “might” just show a link between our own government,
    CIA, FBI or other people here that PROFIT from WAR? WAR IS A MONEY GAME — ALWAYS WILL BE — ALWAYS HAS BEEN. NO ONE — REPEAT NO ONE
    HAS BEEN WILLING OR ABLE TO CONTROL AFGHANISTAN. We will fall on the ash heap of history with IGNORANT socalled leaders AND you and I will be the losers.

    • Yvan

      So nice and so rare Marianne to read some comment sense on this blog. Thank you.

  • RivahMitch

    I somewhat agree. I’ve been saying since 2002 that Bush should have quietly ascertained the location of Osama (Afghanistan is close enough) then obliterated Afghanistan and made a statement that “Any future attacks on the American homeland will meet with a similar response”. Had this happened (i) Saddam would have behaved much differently and we’d not have sent an invading force to Iraq, (ii) we’d not be involved in a land war where no one has ever succeeded, and (iii) the Middle East as a whole would be much different today. Personally, I don’t care what, if any, government exists in Whowhatsistan. I don’t care if they hate our modern ways and western lifestyles and abundance. I just want them to understand that if they hit us, we will hit back much harder… Seneca said “I don’t care if they hate us as long as they fear us.” I agree.

  • JDR

    Two comments of fact.
    First, the statement “sideswiped by the Tet offensive” is revisionist history at best. It was a military disaster for the North Vietnamese, as even they have admitted. However, it was a major propaganda victory, primarily accomplished through the good services of the unbiased American media.
    Second, your comment about the rising price of gold and silver between 1970 and 1980 is numerically correct, but ignores the fact that at the starting point of your fact, 1970, the federal government controlled the price of gold, at $34 per ounce, but by 1980, it wasno longer regulated. There was certainly inflation during that period, but that was not the real cause of the significant rise in price.
    When you write like this, it unfortunately damages your credibility with everything else you write, even when it is correct, as well as the credibility of the site that posts it.

  • Eric Bischoff

    Hey Fruitcakes! You might just get what you have been dreaming about. But it won’t be the Afghans who will be nuked, it will probably be the Iranian.

    • JRC

      Why do you thing that neither Bush, not Israel, not Obama has attacked Iran? they have the means to do so…easy…could they know something you and all the other armchair strategists in this country don’t know?
      I bet, if we or Israel attacks Iran tomorrow, Israel as a country would cease to exist and the US as we know it would be destroyed…Iran does NOT need nuclear weapons to achieve that..they do help, but they are NOT needed.

      • Lubo

        LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! beam me up Scotty!!! Iran is a major threat!!! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • http://drbacc@gmail.com Jerry

    REPLY TO RANDALL: Sure! A Shadow government was responsible for 911 They were all sitting around the table one day, the Axis of Evil, Bush Cheney & Rumsfeld — with nothing much to do after passing tax breaks for the rich–wishing to hell they could get a war started for political cover, and somebody jumped up with a great idea. Hey, gang, Hey gang! You’ll remember how the cops framed OJ? Let’s do the same to Al Quida and Bin Laden …Naahh… Listen, just pass the word around (shhh) Let’s wire up explosives tonight in the Twin Towers, White House and the Pentagon — we’ve got all night long with no moon –time enough to send fake planes into those buildings — you know — kinda like pale faces used to dress up like Apache Indians, planting throw down arrows. We can have our guys dress up like Muslims — fake moustaches, beards, the works. Get with make up and round up our best guys nasty attitudes…willing to die for their country, even better..make em think we’re just gonna hijack some planes …leave the part about crashing them into buildings off. dress em up in those black Ninja suits and wire em up ..both of the Twin Towers…tonight. No body’s gonna notice. But we’ve gotta work fast and smart and real quiet! Now, don’t anyone let the cat out of the bag and tell your girl friends, OK? and we can pull this off and fool those libs. Everybody meet back here around midnight. Let’s Roll!! Hey, Scooter, bring along a throw down Koran. Yeah, but…I don’t know if…Don’t worry man, that it would take professional demolition teams several months with 100 men. Rummy said he’s up to it. We can do it between 12 midnight and sun up — soon enough to watch the crashes the next morning. Don’t forget to bring the C4 or whatever the hell that stuff is. Just make sure it goes off just as the planes crash into the buildings. This has got to look right to fool Fox News and The New York Times. “Boy, oh Boy, I know how to start a war,” ejaculated Bush. Now pass the word around and keep it quiet! “We’re gonna frame Bin Laden — We’re gonna frame bin Laden” What’d he say? Shhh, he said, (whispering) We’re gonna frame Bin Laden…pass it on down. Gotche — We’re gonna…

    • Denniso

      It’s interesting that so many Americans believe in the conspiracy that our own gov’t brought down the twin towers…so do many or most Muslims who live outside the country. Does it make the conspiracy theorists wonder at all that they are agreeing w/ their enemies?

      I don’t put much past the sordid and confused mind of Cheny(we will be greeted as liberators in Iraq),but I doubt that even he and his incompetent fool sidekick would do something like 9/11 and certainly couldn’t pull it off and keep it secret,given their ineptitude on everything else they touched.

    • BrotherPatriot

      Jerry…the evidence provided by the 9/11 Architects and Engineers petition for a independent investigation is massive. It’s irrefutable evidence that the THREE towers that went down did so by a controlled demolition. Why are they ignoring this petition? Because once it becomes revealed that they did this horrible thing…that they MURDERED all those people in the towers, with the brave police men and firemen who first rushed into the building as well…everyone who was involved in this coverup and who knowingly did this to America, they all will not only lose their cushy jobs but hopefully they will lose their freedom (prison) and perhaps their lives (death penalty) depending on the level of their involvment. I assume a great deal of seats will open up as we clear out those involved…it’s a huge crime and this wound needs to be opened up to the light of day to give America a chance to fully heal properly.

      http://ae911truth.org/index.php

      The shadow government is the Bilderberg Virus and all their various connecting organizations. Daniel Estulin, Jim Tucker and Alex Jones have written books filled with historical facts documenting the meetings, who attended and then what they went out and did to benefit the Agenda these Feudalist Elites wish to push onto us. There is far to much evidence to say these things are just a Conspiracy Theory…its a Conspiracy Fact.

      When one of the first actions Obummer did is to seal his personal history and information…this makes us have to ask some serious questions…such as, Why? When he pushed Obommacare down our throats against the wishes of most all America…you have to ask these serious questions. Amnesty for illegal aliens? Take care of them and their babies at tax payers expense with exemptions for them and not for us? Its’ crazy people. WE are living in historical times…and things are indeed about to change. America is waking up to the truth and were pretty pissed off.

      • dan of arizona

        Bp
        I’ve read about all of this and came to the conclusion that nobody would possibly believe it, so it was feasible for them to pull it off.
        thats what makes conspiracy theory so hard for any one to believe. Point in fact my son was a cid agent on the oklahoma bombing taking pictures of the inside of the building what he saw was that the sheet rock on the walls had no damage and took pictures of it to only loose his film to some gov. people there. there also was no one working at 9 am in the feds office kinda weird dont ya think?

    • Bob

      Hey Jerry Time to drink the KoolAid.

    • Granny Mae

      Jerry,

      LOL ! I love the story. You are not to bad ! LOL !

  • Dave

    Why nuke the Afgan people? They didn’t do 911. It was the Saudi’s that funded, and continue to fund, most of the terrorism. That isn’t an obscure theory, it is common knowledge. Ask anyone who lives in the Persian Gulf and they will privatly tell you that the Saudi’s are the root of most of the trouble.

    • Eric Bischoff

      Minor detail Dave.
      How else can we test all of our new weapons once in while and maintain the fear level on high.

      And besides the Saudis are our friends, well at least they are friends with some of our leaders and their families. We can overlook their dictatorship, sexism, religious fanaticism because they have massive amounts of money and oil.

      • eddie47d

        Our whole involvement in the Middle East is so hypocritical …we seem to ache for more wars and the greed that goes with it.

        • Denniso

          Which is why,especially under Cheny/Bush,it’s easy to imagine that they had a plan to ‘pacify’ and control the middle east for our benefit…oil which is worth trillions and is fundamental to our power base and dominance.

  • Bert Vanderhoof

    Every day the numbers are decreasing of those who remember what it felt like in The United States of America on VE Day and VJ Day, when we actually won a War. I had brothers in both theartres of action and remember the inexpressable joy when they both returned home, not only unharmed but victorious. Since that time our nation has been involved in several engagements with many foes and our military men and women have not escaped harm nor have they celebrated victory. Not only have a bunch of civilians in Washington taken control of their activities,
    they are planning their military stratagies, which can be watched on a “Nightly News Broadcast”.
    Now they are seeing the one thing they could at least take pride in, (Their Branch of the Military) turned into an armed domiciliary for homosexuals. Will “Bear Bones Barracks” with cots and foot lockers, be
    turned into boudoirs,with double beds and bureaus with curtains on the windows, and the only fighting be over color schemes.
    “Heartbreak Ridge” breaks your heart! “Breakneck Mountain” breaks your spirit!!! “TAKE BACK AMERICA FROM THOSE WHO WOULD DESTROY IT”

    • Eric Bischoff

      Oh look at that another Homophobe!

  • Donald

    Yes, Get out of Afghanistan, but recognize that defense treaatis we have with other countries will not be worth the paper they are written on. These countries will have to fend for themselves.

    As for Nuking anyone, keep in mind that others have Nukes that could be used against us. Back to the MAD world of Mutually Assured Destruction.

    Remember Rumsfeld (Rummy the Dummy) essentially took us out of Afghanistan and put us in Iraq becuase there were no good targets in Afghanistan.

    • eddie47d

      Pakistan does have nuclear weapons and might not be afraid to use them. We need to be careful what we wish for.

      • Lubo

        Pakistan has the capability of delivering about a 15KT(WWII Capacity) yield on less than an 800 mile target radius. We have the ability of delivering a 50 megaton yield within 3 feet of the proposed target anywhere in the world 1,000 times over…..BIG difference……We also have technology now that can shoot down an incomming Nuke from Russia shortly after it leaves the silo before it reaches terminal re-entry.

        That’s what a FREE MARKET system will get you as compared to your beloved Socialism/marxism or communism. You just can’t BEAT a FREE peoples. Mess with us and you will be assured a total massive and complete destruction! That’s also why Iran/Pakistan, etc etc etc have not launched their BIG Nukes at us! THEY DON’t HAVE ANY!!!!!! If they did…THEY WOULD ALREADY HAVE USED THEM AGAINST US!!!!!

  • bobinpa.

    Norm: I have been reading your comments, and I Strongly suggest that you keep most of your athiest anti-God suggestions and comments to yourself. I personally could care less what a Christian bashing Bigot like yourself thinks. Why don’t you just go about your existence and keep your anti-Christian beliefs and comments to yourself. Have a nice day.

    • Norm

      bobinpa
      Thomas Jefferson:
      “Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear.
      – letter to Peter Carr, Aug. 10, 1787

  • Chuck C

    We should fear the wrath of the True and Living God and not some made up religion like islam, catholicism, hinduism, mormanism, 7 day adventist or a host of other cults.

    • Norm

      Chuck C
      Which religion is your choice?

    • BigBadJohn

      “We should fear the wrath of the True and Living God and not some made up religion like islam, catholicism, hinduism, mormanism, 7 day adventist or a host of other cults.”

      Catholicism is the root of all Christianity, Mormonism and 7 day Adventist are off-shoot’s. They all pray to the same holy trinity – Who is your true and living God?
      You must believe in that other cult religion – Baptist.

      • libertytrain

        good reply -

  • http://gmail i41

    Doc and Neely, you two must be democrat egg sucking idoits, the reason we will continue to have problems in fighting wars, is bleeding heart feely meely lard azsed arm chair marxist democrats. Every year more idoits in Washington hamper our troops with rules of engagement standrads. The lawyer legalistic screw around guessing time wasting second guessing, when engagement is needed. Wheather on the flight line or out in the feild. When posts on this site, whine about the innocent people being killed, that is part of the collateral damage in serious war. If your enemy is hiding in the population, and you know there is enemies in their midist, take them all out. Same goes for the dumb butts that deal drugs in the neighborhoods. When citizens will not leave or point them out to the law. Same goes for the muslims when the Taliban and their ilk move in, they can expose them and stay clear of them. That is why those goat riders keep up hiding out with civilians, they know you simple minded asine idoits will protect their behinds. When we first went to Iraq, rules of engagrement was, if you seen a diaper head with a firearm. You dropped him, now with the beltway jackwagons have rules, you tell them to put down their weapons and waste time to give the raghead time to blow you both up and casulatises climb. You two act like you have never had your asses kicked or been in a real fist fight, OH I forget, liberals and marxist democrats slap and talk mean, we see how N Korea and Iran respect tea and talk. McCyrstal got sacked by the muslim marxist and who he backed, and I doubt he learned a damned thing, same goes for another military idoit, Colin Powell, he back Omoroned because he was “black” and wanted change, this is the same dumb azs that caused us to back to Iraq, instead of finishing the job the first time.

    • 45caliber

      Liberals are terrified of fighting. Their idea of an injury in a really bad fight is a small bruise. So they fear our military. To them, anyone who would volunteer to join the military is someone who is a frustrated murderer who wants a legal reason to kill. The libs reluctantly agree that some people – like the enemy – should be killed (preferably captured but …) but they want to hedge the soldier as much as possible to prevent them from killing anyone else. Hence their stupid “rules of engagement” that basically make targets of our soldiers. (It reminds me of a cop’s comment to a friend who was being threatened with a tire iron – you can defend yourself only after he hits you with it.)

      I am not in favor of indiscriminately killing thousands of innocent people to insure you kill a couple who needs it. But … if a insurgent begins shooting at you from a crowd – and the crowd doesn’t either run away or drop to the ground to get out of the way like any innocent people would – then the crowd is part of the attack. And I don’t think in a case like that we should punish the soldier for protecting himself – as is presently being done.

      • Eric Bischoff

        Yes you are part of that new breed of self righteous american morons who now justify torture, preemptive wars and necessary collateral damage.

        • 45caliber

          That’s because you neither understand war or the reason to fight and you haven’t go the … um … to fight one to save your life. You are an excellent example of what I just said.

          • eddie47d

            And you are an excellent example of what Eric just said. .

          • http://goggle jimradford

            45cal, i was going to say dont give him a reply because of him hot being worth one, but then what you said is true any way,besides i wonder what he would do if he was the one haveing to choose what to do either be killed or fire into the crowd if the dont want to be killed either drop or stay does not matter to me, as long as iam able to stay alive i will do it.

      • Bob

        Hey Rambo Tell us about your military accomplishments.

        • 45caliber

          Airborne infantry, US Army, Vietnam (for two years). What about you? Have you ever been in at all?

          • Eric Bischoff

            And you still haven’t learned anything after all that. What will it take to educate you?

          • 45caliber

            Eric:
            I’m not sure what kind of education you felt I should learn by my war experience. Basically, 90% of all vets are conservative when they come out. They have learned (been educated) that s**t happens and you have to take care of it, not pretend that it will never happen in the first place as long as some liberal is in charge.

          • dan of arizona

            Did you really think he was gong to give you a reply?I think if he did it would have been intendo war games

    • http://gunner689 neely

      you can call me a lot of things but democrat is fighting words !!!
      I served two combat tours in Nam as a Marine machinegunner and my son has served numerous tours in sandland. I suggest you re-read what I wrote more closely, then apologize. To me a demorat is just another word for socialist. I believe that wars are inevietable but must be fought to win and win quickly; whatever it takes. Who is more dangerous; the peaceful man who collects guns or the mad-dog crack head with a Sat.night special ? It’s the same with nations; it does little good to have an extensive arsenal if you don’t have the will to use it when necessary

    • michelleo

      AMEN TO THAT

  • Anna

    Have you all seen this?

    Mosque at Ground Zero gets green light

    ‏That is a place that our planes need to bomb Not NUKE just bomb.

    OH YA they can also bomb the Border from Calif.to Texas & beyond if necessary.

    • TheAZCowBoy

      Poor Anna – The ‘Wicked witch of the North.’

      Her broom seems to have developed a slow leak in her anti-gravity propulsion system and she seems to have run out of her Prozac, too boot!

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      Just throw some pig’s blood on their proposed mosque sites.

  • bogman

    We neither need to drop a nuke nor stay the course in these foolish wars. We need to stop patrolling the opium fields and bring our troops home to defend our borders. Dropping a nuke would kill innocents and make the area uninhabitable for the next several generations. We should also stop with the DU rounds that not only kill the target, but damage the health of the soldier firing and all the children born in the area for the foreseeable future. We need to

    • JRC

      Wrong, it would not make the area inhabitable for the next generations, look at Japan and at the sides of other nuclear explosions that where done 60-70 years ago and pose no threat to anyone. The notions that a nuke is:

      Utterly destructive
      The effects last for generations (physical effects not health problems of survivors)
      Is destroying vast areas
      and other nonsense is wrong.
      A nuke is a terrible weapon, but its uses and effects are localized and limited.

      • Eric Bischoff

        And I suppose you are an environmental and health expert. I guess there is no connection with the rate of cancers and our discovery and use of anything Nuclear!

        Oh by the way, have you seen the story this week about the German wild boars that the German people hunt but can’t eat. The German govt buys the meat from them because it is laden with radiation from …Chernobyl

      • Bob

        How long did you study with Einstein?

      • Lubo

        I see the all omnipotent JRC is at it again. He is an EXPERT about everything. Including GOD.

        The A-bombs dropped on Japan were BABIES compared to our modern day Nukes. Let me give you some facts, if your liberal mind can understand what a fact is:

        The bombs dropped on Japan were measured in KILO-tons…BABIES!!!!

        I think the first was 10 KT and the second was 15KT but it did less damage because we overshot the city and it landed between two mountains BUT, even at that, 10′s of thousands perished!!! Instantly!!! Vaporized!!!

        Both we and the Soviets have bombs that are over 50 MEGATONS!!!!!

        Just the blast radius of a 50 megaton bomb is 60KM wide!!!!! It will blow NYC off the face of the planet 10 times OVER!!!!! There will be nothing left!!!! Heavy blast damage will be experienced out to 40 Miles!!! Within that radius you will be burned beyond all recognition!!!! Everything within that radius will be KILLED!!!!

        If you are 127 miles away or about 220KM, and are looking in that direction when it explodes, you will be BLINDED!!!! The mushroom cloud of a 50 megaton Nuke will reach up to 40 miles HIGH and 27 miles thick!!!

        JRC, please do not try to do the math on Kilo to Mega because it will require logic of which you don’t appear to have. If you are going to talk with people about a subject, then try to know the facts before you speak. That’s why GOD gave you two ears and one mouth.

        • http://goggle jimradford

          he needs to learn like a carpinter,measure twice and cut wonce, only with him its listen twice and speak once, then he might learn notice i said might learn to listen or read,

  • TheAZCowBoy

    Re: ‘Nuke Afghanistan!” (The last wimper of a reichwinger who sees the US/NATO ‘baby killers’ blood flowing and the Taliban winning in the ‘defense of their country.’).

    An excellent case for not allowing airheads into positions of power.

    The only nuke the world needs right now is in Jerusalem to clease the Middle East of the ‘Spawn of Iblis’ Jews and bring 1,000 years of peace in the Middle East.

    Hey, it’s not so difficult. These ‘Kahzars’ have been nomads themselves before since they left Kahzaria in 520 BC to destroy czarist Russia and the rest is history – and they can do it again!

    TheAZCowBoy
    Tombstone, AZ,

    • 45caliber

      You aren’t a bit racist, are you?

      • dan of arizona

        I told ya not to drink the water your to far south and its to bad they dont make seat belts for horses blows to head like that have lasting effects

    • Vicki

      “The only nuke the world needs right now is in Jerusalem to clease the Middle East of the ‘Spawn of Iblis’ Jews and bring 1,000 years of peace in the Middle East.”

      Since people of the Middle East have been fighting each other for thousands of years I doubt that destroying a city will bring 1,000 years of peace.

  • 45caliber

    If anyone seriously wants to irradicate terrorism, there is only one solution. You kill everyone associated with it. That means ALL people – men, women, and children. The Russians did this once as far as they are concerned. When some terrorists kidnapped some of their people, they found out the names of some of the terrorists and had their entire families shot. The rest released the kidnapped victims and left them alone after that.

    BUT … I don’t think we should ever get into such a position where we acquire the frame of thought necessary to do that. Dropping a nuke would place us there. What we want to do is discourage the terrorists from attacking us or any of our allies. So we must make it costly to them in terms of men and equipment. The only way we can do that is to locate them and then kill them. (Since they use little actual equipment, it is difficult to do much there to harm them.)

    And I believe we are already trying to do that.

    Terrorism is an attempt to control people by threatening their families. They attack and kill the innocent, not those they wish to control. Attacking the families of the terrorists rather than the terrorists is terrorism itself.

    If anyone assumed that when we started this war with terrorists (when THEY attacked US) that it would be quickly finished, they were fooling themselves. As long as we don’t go out intending to destroy all their families, we can never “win” this war except by discouraging their attempts to attack us here. And that will last as long as there are idiots determined and willing to kill themselves just to attack our families.

    The only other way to end this is to eradicate all signs of the religion that gives people power to encourage and train suicidal terrorists. And history has proven that without total eradication of all who believe a religion you can only force it into hiding – you can never destroy it.

    • Eric Bischoff

      It’s amazing to me how many people think this started when they hit us back on 9/11 as if that was the first move. Then again, we still have people who believe that the earth is only a couple of thousands of years old.

      • 45caliber

        This whole thing started when the first tribe of cavemen discovered another tribe of cavemen and decided that “different” meant “enemy”. And it’s been going on ever since. So what else is new?

      • Lubo

        How can you or any human being prove or disprove how old the world is? I guess one of our GREAT scientist told you that? The same scientist that told us in the 70′s that we were entering a cooling period and that we would experience an ICE AGE by the year 2000 are now telling us that we are experiencing Global Warming??? Which is it?

        Good ole “Politically motivated JUNK MARXIST SCIENCE”

        A thousand years is as one day, as one day is as a thousand years, when it comes to the LORD. i.e; time has no meaning with GOD. He can crank it up or turn it back…..no problem for the almighty CREATOR.

        I think I will go with GOD….not our GREAT scientist….and I’m not sure how old this creation is…who cares anyway when your life span is about 73+/- years.

    • Norm

      45caliber
      Do you mean the “final solution”? Heil Hitler.

      • 45caliber

        The “Final Solution” is the only way to permanently solve such a problem. And, if you read what I wrote, I stated that I was against it for myself and for my country. So everyone should forget a quick solution to the problem with terrorists and war.

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      their children are tomorrows terrorists. eradicate the madrasis.

  • http://www.personalliberty.com Wildcat from Dallastown, PA

    The nuclear option may have been somewhat cheaper financially speaking provided our true allies were all on board prior to detonating the multiple precision strikes necessary and as the first and last action before the follow up boots on the ground search etc however, the reaction of the remaining countries in the world may have been devastating. To effectively cripple al Qaeda, the Taliban and corrupt regimes associated with them would have encompassed a lot more than just the geographic area of Afghanistan. Of course at this time it is almost difficult to imagine a regime (or regimes) more corrupt than the one we now have in office. Just a quick review on my part would have included about seven countries that consider themselves Islamic or a kingdom which supports Islam, uses Sharia law and supports Islamic terrorism either overtly or tacitly, usually while denying they do so and while stating that Islam is a religion of peace.

    Regardless, it is too late for even the complex use of a nuclear weapon to resolve the situation in Afghanistan.

    Eliminating the ability to grow poppy fields that support the drug lords as well as the Taliban should have been done at the beginning of our foray into Afghanistan. Then, prosecute the war more like a conventional war in which we have a plan to conquer Afghanistan by closing with and destroying enemy forces by firepower, shock action, maneuver and communication with overwhelming military force before we even consider turning the remains over to the department of state for their “Nation Building” efforts in which we use our expertise with their money and resources. Then we could have followed Gary Neely’s concept but with a few amendments identified below.

    Declare that Islam is incompatible with the Declaration of Independence, the U. S. Constitution and the rule of law here in the United States of America as the tenets of Islam not only fail to respect the practice of other religions freely [especially Judaism and Christianity] but actively promote the killing of all infidels (non-believers & non-Muslims) in which their own holy writings specifically name Jews and Christians. Therefore allowing the practicing of Islam is a clear and present danger to the United States of America and should be dealt with in such a manner without fail.

    Seize all Islamic associated funds, mosques, community centers, charities as well as the property and funds of those identified in their own records as members of these groups using the RICO act more routinely associated with organized crime punishment. Those identified individuals who are American citizens will be placed under constant surveillance by all electronic means available under a blanket wiretap authorization.

    Securing our borders, as mandated in our Constitution as a requirement of the federal government needs to be accomplished adroitly and with extreme prejudice as that currently is an open avenue of approach of all our enemies including terrorists and criminals from outside CONUS.

    Until then apply your Second Amendment Rights, get armed and trained and increase your situational awareness relative to the present and emerging threats as you go about your daily activities of life.

    • Eric Bischoff

      I get it. Freedom of…. but only for what I believe in or what I like.

      • eddie47d

        Wildcat is a mite off his rocker.

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      Wildcat: I completely agree. gn

    • Lubo

      Exceptional my friend! Excellent commentary and worthy of further discussion. Your comments make more sense to me than any I have read in months, maybe YEARS. Would you consider running for President?

      We need someone who understands our enemies, not some progressively limp-liberal weak minded fool who have no concept of Islam and it’s governing laws which cannot and WILL NOT co-exist peacefully with us peace loving Americans.

    • http://goggle jimradford

      yes sir no doubt about it some one with a brain has said what has been needed all along to be done, and might i just add that incoulds all the so called power people in office.

  • Winston W

    This pres. needs to grow a pair. Bring all us troups home and tell everyone you have 1 week. After that DROP THE DAM THING. Now dose anyone else want to play. Our men and women are home and our money as well. Take care of this COUNTRY FIRST. The rest can kiss my azz.
    Winston W. ( USN-RET )

    • Eric Bischoff

      Maybe you need to grow a brain.

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        Eric: maybe you need to decide whose side you’re on.

        • eddie47d

          On the side of humanity;which side are you on?

          • 45caliber

            Which “humanity”??

          • http://gunner689 gunner689

            eddie47d: the side of America and Western Civilization; how about you?

          • eddie47d

            How about just being on the side of civilization instead of being an empire builder and encouraging wars.

          • 45caliber

            eddie:
            Read your history a little closer. Civilization was established because of war. It is designed to protect the people from it. And most advancement through history is due to war. Not that I like it – it just is.

          • eddie47d

            You call war an advancement? Sure the Romans,Greeks,Spanish grew their civilizations by conquering others. Hardly made it right back then and even less now.

    • Bob

      What is RET? Short for retard

      • libertytrain

        how rude.

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        no; it’s for retired. in his case it means he spent his career life serving our nation in the Navy. We owe him our graditude and thanks; not snide comments from some America hating liberal.

        • Eric Bischoff

          Sorry I have no patience for the mindless cowardly support our troops sticker crowd. I would rather support you by telling you the truth, by not sending you to war on lies, by not starting stupid unnecessary wars and by providing meaningful jobs so that your best choice is not to enlist and go kill or be killed because there is no other work. There’s always an alternative!

        • http://goggle jimradford

          from one vetran to another thank for being so leient to the not so smart but head

  • Another Voice

    You’ve GOT to be KIDDING. Drop a nuke on Afghanistan – just because we’ve got the damn things? Just because we can?

    If we had focused on searching for bin Laden and Al Qaeda instead of farting around with the Taliban (and invading Iraq for their oil) we’d have been finished with this war years ago. But no, we have to politicize everything and make it an international drama.

    And if we do something stupid like drop a nuke, we can only expect to have a nuke dropped on us. Is that what you want?

    • Marc

      Guess they are just trying to hasten the Second Coming…..

      • Dale on left coast

        Marc . . . isn’t the second cumming in the WH???

    • DJ Lynch

      We could always drop Nukes in the middle East and turn the desert into a piece of Glass and drill through the glass to get the Oil!!!

      Just a thought!!

      • eddie47d

        Not much of a thought!

  • JiimCO

    Coulda, woulda, shoulda … unless you have a time machine, what is the point of this column? Bush, Rummy and Franks came up with the battle plan nearly nine years ago and I am pretty sure that nuking Afghanistan was not on any ones radar. So instead of trying to refight battles that are already over … why not tell us your plan to win the future ones and end this war with some sort of peace and honor!

    • Marc

      We can be glad that most of the commentors here are not in charge of making policy……

      • Lubo

        They will be soon though……

  • http://gmail i41

    When posts whine about getting oil from the pedophile muslims, well thanks to the many socialist branches of the marxist democrat party. The grenies, the use no oil group, the vegans, the we all take only what we need communal living socialist bastards group. That mind set, proves the idoits never read history books, it never worked even when the first EU lads landed. Democrat all want welfare and governemnt complete control on everything groups in charge. Now Omoron and his radical crimminal thugs are feeding you idoits the same bidge. Just listen to him fondling the union members ears at the AFL-ICO meeting on his green b–l s–t plans. For batteries and windmills, only the batteries are made in Asia, and China makes the windmill generators, he is full of crap that it will have made in America label and we use no oil. Another case of an overeducated idoit being snookered by putting a sticker on it. We have more oil in the USA that the middle east, that is a fact, The Rocky Mts. has over 2 trillion barrels, as pointed out in April 2006 survey report. 2007 drillling was supposed to start, but who sat with their fingers in their orfices, the democrap party, might hurt or bothering a jumping rat mating rituals that roams from up in Canada all the way into Mexico. Another case of the envior morons using the same kill tactics as was used on the last refinery out in the desert that was permitted in 1978. If all pus brained democrat groups and the party members, had a skull asperation procedure done, facts could be injected, we could have no debt, fuel at 30 cents a gallon, muslims behaving instead of trying to kill Christians, or even you worthless atheist organisms, and not try to destroy the USA. You cann’t do much with out funds, of course if we keep electing drug dealers and users and promoters like Soros, there will be a smaller cash transfere to muslims, than with crude oil in the equation.

    • Eric Bischoff

      I would clarify that the very people you are belittling not only read the books, they UNDERSTOOD what they were reading and came up with alternative thinking. I know it’s hard and it hurts your brain but you really should go back and read them over and over until you come up with the answer.

      Love is the answer. Love thy neighbor, thy brother, regardless of race, religion, sex or beliefs.

      • Mark

        I’ve ready all of your comments and am now very surprised by your last statement: “Love is the answer. Love thy neighbor, thy brother, regardless of race, religion, sex or beliefs.” I’m shocked that I whole-heartedly agree with you, but wonder why you don’t practice what you just said. You’ve been very condescending and belittling to nearly everyone to whom you’ve commented. Let me say, you are 100% correct. Now go forth and practice what you preach. May God bless you.

        • Eric Bischoff

          Telling someone the truth and bothering to speak with them when you wholeheartedly are disgusted by their beliefs and attitudes is a lot closer to practicing what I have said then pushing the button and pulling the trigger because we disagree with someone’s religion, race, sex or creed. I am trying to love you brothers but you are making it very difficult.

  • winperk

    The Afgan war is not winable! The troops must be brought home now!
    Survivors of the dead soldiers should sue for money damages the federal government individual members of the administration and congressmen who voted to keep the war going.
    The communist dictator Mr Barack Hussen Obama should be impeached.
    He was born in Mombassa and can not legally be president anyhow. All polititions that voted for the illegal health care (Obama care) should be jailed for treason. Elena Kagan forged information she provided the Supreme Court of the United State and should be disbared from the legal profession.

    • http://goggle jimradford

      i dont keep up with the news much because of all the killings and lieing from the so called smart people in higer office and not being smart ased or anything i did not know that mr obummer was from were was it you said, iam shure of one thing you have to be a us citizen to be pres so why is he not being inpeached right now, or is it because no one has the so called balls to do so??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

  • Winston W

    Why don’t we play a game ?? How about Global Thermal Nuclear War

  • Kirk Z

    When they were holed up in Tora Bora (and far away from collateral damage) was the perfect time to treat them to some Fried Mushrooms.
    If it couldn’t get into the caves, it probably would have collapsed them, and that’s good too.

  • David J. Sanchez

    John Myers you are a fool and I could not disagree with more. The lesson we never learned about Korea and Vietnam is not that we lost a war–but we should not go to war at all unless the direct interests of the American are threatened. Read Our first President’s Farewell Address (George Washington), and by going to war and attempting to aid others in the world we are only drawn into a morass in which other people’s do not respect us at all—we only create more enemies. We drop the N bomb, somebody else will do the same. What we definitely need is a more intelligent and thoughtful foreign policy and yet remain the strongest military force in the world. Wake up everyone and think before we have nothing left to protect. God bless our troops and bring them home safely. Dave S.

  • Engineeringtech

    Nuclear devices are indiscriminate devices which kill many innocent civilians with the enemy. If we’re not going to be any better than the terrorists we’re fighting, then the terrorists have already won.

    Our troops won the war when the routed the Taliban in the first couple weeks. Why weren’t they pulled out then? Why do we continue to do this futile “nation building” exercise in Iraq and Afghanistan? There is no reason we have to have troops in 138 countries. Our troops should come home and protect our shores.

  • Stew

    After the genetic bomb hits the war will go nuke.The start of the war will see 2/3rds of the world drop dead. The genetic bomb will first show in the left arm

  • docanr

    There is so much here that I agree with – ie;, oil, population, US borders etc etc etc BUT a nuclear bomb actually requires a specific target. Did we ever know within a 2 or 3 mile radius of EXACTLY where Obama(Ups-sorry) Osama was…………….dont think so.
    So all we would have bombed was some poppy field or side of a mountain with a bunch of caves within.
    And Osama would have appeared the next day on his own TV station.

  • Fred

    Eric, I agree with you in the fact that we should love our neighbor. That plan works very good if everybody has the same philosophy. Unfortunately, there are those out there that wish to take advantage of your patient demeanor. The other thing is that if you tell yourself over and over and over that you are tall, dark and handsome, you may believe it yourself but it may not be true. It is possible to convince yourself of an untruth as easy as it is to read something over and over again until it starts to make sense. Im going to have to stick with i41 on this one. Call stupid, stupid when you see it and quit trying to be so Politically Correct. Politically Correctness is just another term made up to punish us for things that we have no control over as is Global Warming ie: Climate Change. Smoking mirrors for the huge amount of money being made off of this crap.

  • http://yahoo.com obama mama

    again, truman was the only pres. who had the cojones to drop the nukes. this admin. are wimps! get them out, the sooner the better!!!!!!!

    • eddie47d

      Anyone who drops a nuclear device in this century is the wimp and an unintelligent one at that!

  • atlas reborn

    let us be realistic about this. we need to tell pakistan and afghanistan we are here to help them and we need real help like in pakistan the location of osama bin laudin. and if they wont give or say they do not know then we will stop funding Pakistan. and as for afghanistan we tell them that they must tell all their people that they keep the terrist out of government buildings and mosques. If we get fired on form either government buildings or mosques that as we did in world war 2 we would destroy churches and synanguges when fired upon from them. if they do not agree to that we will leave and leave them to their devices. it is rediculas for them to say we cannot fire on them if are using them and say nothing.

  • Dale on left coast

    Word is Osama walked accross the porus southern border and is now living a quiet life in a NY mossssque . . .
    Progressives and lieberals will be the death of freedom in America . . .

  • Pat Mason

    Have you all lost your collective minds? Or, is this really just a Statist, NEOCON site? “We should have dropped the bomb in Afghanistan”!? That is the the kind of insane hubris I would expect from Dick Cheney, Lindsey Graham, and John Hagee. If this is the kind of unconstitutional insanity this site and its followers adhere to, PLEASE LEAVE ME OUT! We should NOT even be in Afghanistan, nor should we have set foot in the Middle East. Our current woes with the Middle East is an effect of BLOWBACK from decades of meddling in the affairs of practically every country in that region (most notably Iraq and Iran). This site and its followers pronounce their devotion to ‘Liberty,’ yet your action and calls for preemptive war (“drop Nukes”)on people who resist the U.S. inclination for destructive intervention shows me that you are no better than the gang of criminals who infected the Bush/Cheney regime, and who STILL infect BOTH parties to this day.

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      Lindsey Graham?? he doesn’t even have the cajones to stand up to the Kagan nomination. Can you imagine sharing a fox hole with that wimp ?

      • Lubo

        Lindsey Graham is just another “progressive” cleverly cloaked as a “Conservative”. We got rid of his buddy Bob Inglis in the last primary and he will be next in 2014. We are currently trying to get a recall passed in the state so we can remove people like Graham at any time we decide that our “Leaders” aren’t following the constitution or if they vote against the folks wishes who put them in office.

    • eddie47d

      Pat;There are plenty of insane ones on the Livingston site. Maybe they are digging foxholes for it’s getting deeper and deeper.

    • coal miner

      Pat Mason,

      Well said.

  • Will

    Nuke option is some of the most assholian logic I’ve ever heard. Haven’t heard a shred here coming anywhere close to justification for this last resort weapon. Many strong opinions here and plenty of free speech. I’d like to minimize this by stating that in my humble and well earned opinion….all who have never served a day in uniform – although entitled to free speech – I’d just as soon you kept your idiotic views to yourself, especially at a time when servicemen are dying everyday on foreign soil, and you never saw fit to inconvenience yourself by serving your country. 20 yrs USMC Retired.

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      Will: Semper Fie ! When the wolf is at the door you do what you must. I’m sure the Corps taught you that.

    • Lubo

      Will….well said….I concur completely.

  • eddie47d

    Terrie: There are a few thousand true terrorists in the world. They are scattered all over in many different countries. Some governments (like Somalia) can’t even control small patches of land let alone the hooligans that dwell in their lands.How much money are you willing to throw at these corrupt lands? Are you going to go after everyone who doesn’t like their government? Then you are going after millions. Most true terrorists are deeply hidden(sleeper cells) and all over the world. So who would you Nuke and how many governments will you take down by doing this? Germany has small sleeper cells that can be more dangerous than the few who were in Afghanistan. Should we Nuke Germany? Our anti- Muslim views are at a fevers pitch but are they the main enemy or are there other forces in the world that are just as dangerous?

    • JeffH

      fast eddie does it again with his: “There are a few thousand true terrorists in the world”. WHAT EVER!

      • eddie47d

        Go suck on your thornbush you warmongering idiot. You must sleep with a Nuke on both sides at night.Must get alittle cold and Lucifer doesn’t like the cold.

        • JeffH

          heh!heh!

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      Eddie47d: actually the conservative number for terrorists and terr. sympathisers world wide is around 10 million. We saw the damage a few can cause, what about the rest?

  • sodbuster

    does anyone know anything about the civilian troops that I have heard is being formed?? to control people?? Where are they being trained??
    The local police forces all over the country will not be your friend
    when push comes to shove……..they will be the enemy. they will tell you exactly what to do and when as soon as O’s plan is put in place. How does revolution sound to you????????

    • slickporsche

      It sounds like a necessary evil. We have no choice if we want to preserve the American way of life. We also need to make sure to remain the majority. Our government has been doing everything it can to make sure we are no longer the majority. We also need to kick out some or all of the minority and stop being bleeding hearts.

  • Bitter Libertarian

    Sorry..that is the most Ignorant thing I have heard here yet. Do you people even care that we have a Constitution? Do you understand that we are NOT Complying with it right now without dropping a bomb??!!

    We call ourselvs a “Nation of Laws” yet we cant even comply with our own Law of the land.

    Read the Damn thing will you…its not that complicated, and read only the black stuff and what it says word for word. Do not read into it, do not “perceieve” it in any other way then what it says and then realize what it DOES not say is Equally Important!!.

    Congress MUST Declare WAR. The president is ONLY commander in Chief when called into the actual service of the United States…NONE of this happened, I dont care how many people were killed on 9/11…we cannot expect other people to be Honest or Honorable if we break our own laws and do what we want anywhere we want simply because “our guns are bigger then yours!@!

  • http://www.pureheartsinternational.com Geoff Pace

    John ~ I’m usually with you on your comments, buddy. But on this one, I must say, WHOA! Stop and smell the illogic! Nukes in Afghanistan with an “unidentifiable enemy.” Sounds like Clinton in Bosnia-Herzegovina. “We had to do something!” Yeah, but a nuke for an unseen enemy? Doubtful, John Boy, Doubtful. The honorable thing to do is just stealthily pull out and don’t tell anyone you’re doing it. Even at home. That way the enemy – whoever they are- will not be greeting you to boot you out the door.

  • rocky299

    The gentleman that penned this article obviously does not know anything about military tactics or the country of Afghanistan. We should have learned from the Russians, they got their ass kicked there and are a force on a par with ours. Nukes?? Come on, you know better than that.
    You could detonate a hundred nukes and not make a dent when their forces are so dispersed. We should have armed the locals (Mujajadine) and let them have at it. The Taliban would be no longer a force there.
    We armed them when the Russians were in occupation of that country. The world has changed and so has warfare.

    USMC Retired

  • chuck b

    rocky299

    the russians are not on a par with us and never were, that is just liberal democrat talking points.
    we should remove our troops immediately, the democrats have used police action in korea, vietnam and now afghanistan, you don’t win wars like that.
    what if we win the war, what then? just another welfare state we have to take care of. barry doesn’t want to defeat his brother muslims and that’s why our troops are under the rules of engagement they have.
    bring our troops home and secure our borders, use them to deport these illegals. our country has been invaded by a foreign population
    the only difference they are not carrying arms that we can see.
    they are called the “el movimiento armado” in my estimation this is a communist movement in mexico operating under the banner of drug cartels

    • Al B Tross

      The very notion that using a nuke on China and Russia s’ continent,and not even considering their reactions is a perfect demonstration of how wrong, and disconnected with reality the Right is on geo-political matters.

      • JeffH

        Al B Tross, cute that you would even believe most people on the right would want to use nukes…on anybody! Your Al B Tross is hanging between your ears like a 2 ton weight hanging on a thread out in the pacific ocean…Nukes are a sure deterrant but with N Korea, Iran?, China, USSR and the US I’ll stake my life that it won’t be the US that drops the next BOMB! You liberal progressives take the bait every time…hook-line-sinker then run with it like a scalded dog howling at the top of your lungs, “the sky is falling”! BOO.

        • eddie47d

          Mr Livingston advocates Nukes and spreading fear and you jump on his insane asylum wagon. Then you turn around and go after liberals so once again you play into the Rush Limbaugh sickness of deceit.Your a typical right wing extremist weasel,go to the source dummy.Read the article. Your hemorrhoids are hanging like a 2 ton weight from your ignorance. Go back to bed and rock your baby Nukes to sleep. While your at it sing God Bless America and have your wet dreams of nuclear doomsday!

          • JeffH

            fast eddie, you’re the prime example of “stupid is as stupid does”!

          • eddie47d

            Your the king Jeff ; I’ll never out stupid you.

          • JeffH

            fast eddie, I beg to differ…can we get a show of hands?

  • chuck b

    here’s one way to get rid of them

    http://www.politesociety.com/binladenliquors_ol101.swf

  • atlas reborn

    by the way when people no not recognize reality they are doomed to repeat the same mistakes. unless islam recants the religions beleif that if someone does not become muslim that they be killed or they can be second class citizens. untill they convert or are killed by the muslim. I say the united states not allow them into the country, and if they are allready hear be required to sign a legal document affirming that they will never kill any one who does not convert to islam, and if they will not than the be deported permantly and never be allowed to return for any reason. if you want america to continue as a free country that is a must.

    • LocalYokel

      Search for an Islamic democracy—-there are none. Sharia law and our constitution are not supplementary, complementary, or even remotely compatible.

      • Lubo

        That is a fact! The two are mutually exclusive and cannot co-exist.

        • Eric Bischoff

          Read Spiral Dynamics and you might understand that we cannot force anything down any societies throat and we cannot force them to skip grades. They have to experience the progression on their own.We are so arrogant that we think we know better and that because we have more guns we can make anything happen. How’s that working out so far?

          Yeah we think we are so tough. We spend more on our military than all other nations combined and still we can’t manage to win any wars. Are we stupid or what? We’ve just spent a decade fighting in the middle east and things are worse now than ever. We have pissed off an entire new generation of Arabs and I know we will be sorry for that for years to come.

          We need to mind our own business and concentrate on fixing our own problems at home. We have become a bunch of illiterate fat unhealthy bastards.

          We can’t even manage to have fair elections at home. Our democracy is in shambles bought and paid for by corporations, lobbyists and fat cats.. Our Bill of Rights has been shredded. The Patriot act is a disgrace. We are now innocent until proven guilty. Our govt can declare us enemies of the state and hold us indefinitely or assassinate us. And this is the democracy that we want to sell to the rest of the world!

          • Lubo

            Well said, I agree with you for the first time almost 100% except for the fact that we didn’t start this war. When you have idiots flying into buildings killing innocent people I don’t think sticking your head in a hole will fix the problem! They brought the fight to our HOMELAND…remember? 911!!!!!!!

  • hundabuxt

    David J Sanchez

    I’m behind the curve here having just joind the fray, but going back a few posts David made the most lucid comment I’ve read here.
    Using nukes is indeed the action of last resort, much like calling in the 105′s on yourself while getting overrun. Afganistan is a country which consists of highly fractionalized tribal leaders, all of which have or ar fighting amongst themselves. Its mostly always been that way and to try to bring that 3rd world country into the 21st century is an excercise in futility. Just like in Viet Nam, we will exhaust ourselves both in treasure and manpower like trying to run up a 37 degree sand dune. The only people who benifit will be the contractors who are screwing us, the corrupt leaders and the American Military Industrial Complex. You cannot purchase the will to overcome an enemy willing to sacrifice everything to win. We need to come home and cut our losses. Its senseless to throw more lives away on what is going to be a frustrating and loosing battle unless we’re willing to lower our standard of living to bring a 3rd world country into the 21st century kicking and screaming in resistance, which assures we’ll be there for decades. They’re not worth it.
    Semper Fi Rocky 299 You don’t sound like a shi* Bird.

    • rocky299

      SEMPER FI David

      The Russians had a bigger standing Army than ours at the time of their occupation. Yes, lets get the hell out of that shit hole and defend our own.

    • JeffH

      Bravo!

  • atlas reborn

    I think I should not visit this blog any more because my last post was censured, and it has no ligical reason. I presented a solution to a problem that exists in reality and addressed a solution that shoud be put foward for consideration what is wrong with that?

    • libertytrain

      I wouldn’t give up that easily. Usually these things are automatic and not always correct. Or it could just be a fluke.

  • LocalYokel

    Only until they realize that their trust has been violated. Now tell us who you trust, Pedro.

  • Harold Olsen

    Bush screwed up the Afghanistan war. Following the 9/11 attacks on America, Bush went after the terrorists in Afghanistan. This was the right thing to do. Then, however, he pretty much abandoned the war in Afghanistan and went into Iraq. Whether he really believed Saddam Hussein had WMD’s or not–he had good reason to–I don’t know, nor do I care. If he had said he was going into Iraq to take out Saddam Hussein (his father should have done that), I’d have said, “Yeah, go get him.” But, he started something in Afghanistan and should have followed through.

    Now, Barack Hussein Obama is screwing it up. He claims that Afghanistan is the real war and he’s abandoning Iraq. He’s getting money for Afghanistan but is he going to use it to fight the war? I won’t hold my breath. McChrystal asked for troops and Obama pretty much told him to go to hell. The number he asked for–I believe it was 40,000–was the MINIMUM number he needed. He got considerably less. If we’re going to fight a war then give our generals ALL the troops and equipment they need to do it.

    I would not be one bit surprised if the money Obama gets for the war in Afghanistan instead goes to further his Nazi agenda. Neither Bush nor Obama really gave a damn about winning either war. Their plans for keeping us safe from our enemies are nothing but a joke and the American people are the butts of those jokes. Yes, Bush did keep us from being attacked again, but I don’t see how. He refused, as does Obama, to secure our borders, which would allow any terrorist to bring in whatever weapons they want. And now that lying, racist, America-hating, Nazi scumbag Obama is suing Arizona because they want to secure their borders. Yeah, I say end the war in Afghanistan. Nuke ‘em!!

    • Denniso

      Harold…your comment started out sane and then took a nosedive into fantasy. Obama is being attacked by the left who want us out of the Afghan war,yet he did send 40,000 more soldiers over. He is trying to win the war that Bush didn’t finish, and you call him a nazi and say he’s screwing it up? If he hadn’t sent 40,000 more of our kids then you would be ranting that he was willing to lose the war. You really need to learn to discern fact from fiction…

  • 45caliber

    There are only two ways to have freedom.

    First: You take it all for yourself. Everyone else MUST do as you say.

    Second: You give as much freedom to everyone else as possible with the expectation they will return the favor. Then everyone is free as long as they don’t try to kill each other. That works for me.

  • Bill

    We are in a losing situation. Exactally what has been planned for years. Now Obama is here to put the finishing touches to the destruction of America, and most american’s can not even see it ! They just thing November will take care of everything. Americans will learn the hard way. Revolution may be our only way out…….

    • Lubo

      I agree…..most likely.

    • Granny Mae

      True and isn’t that scary?

  • Ray

    Just how do you equate that the Genocide of a Nations People, both warriors and innocent alike would have been the right thing to do. It is sort of like killing all the hostages when an armed gunman is holding them hostage, just don’t make good since. If we had done this, a complete annihilation of a people, do you not think other nuclear powers would not have reacted by launching on us. The U.S. cannot rely on the World being afraid of us because we are the biggest badest bully on the block. I sure am glad someone had the good since to not launch the bomb.

    • lola

      THANK YOU SO MUCH. my heart was crying reading these comments, and a spark of hope lit up when I read yours. finally some sense. thank you.

  • Wayne Kuhn

    If I only had the power, I would make Tim Larkin with TFT (Target Focus Training)our commander and cheif over all military operations. The first thing he would do would be the rename the Department of Defense to it’s predacessor Department of War and he would sysematically kill the enemy with lethal and overwhelming force. Wayne Kuhn

  • atlas reborn

    That was not the first time

  • slickporsche

    People! WE cannot cut and run. THe primitive minds we are fighting, will feed into that, and follow us. We are not fighting a few thousand extremists, we are fighting ISLAM. The sooner the rest of you realize it the better. War is about the art of what????? KILLING! If you go to war you let the warriors fight, they know how to win. We simply cannot afford to give in to this Islamic mentallity. ITs bad enough that we accept tolerance so much, we are going to allow another mosque in America. Tolerance is a way to give up not what you need to do, and not how you win a war. We are not fighting a war to win and have not since WW2. Too much politics.

    • lola

      I feel sorry for you, please, you cannot honestly believe that we are fighting the entirety of islam. I guess you don’t know any muslims, or you would know the folly of what you are saying. it is a small percent of muslims that are insurgents. in addition to those radicals who believe in jihad, they aren’t the only ones. You’ve heard of those radical christians who kill abortion doctors. Same basic principle as the muslim radicals and no one is blowing up in their faces, it barely resonates in people’s minds. The definition of the word “jihad” is a struggle for religious beliefs. We cannot live in world where a certain group of people, who happen to amount to over a billion people, are persecuted because they believe that Mohammed was a prophet and was spoken to by God. The only thing that comes of that is hatred and violence, and nothing good can come from that. Nothing.

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        Lola: It’s weak kneed, limp wristed appeasers like you that have brought much of these problems to our shores. You think that as long as you feed the wolf he won’t eat you. guess what happens when you run out of treats? As to killing abortion doctors that’s like a Jew killing a Nazi camp guard. both the doctor and the guard were legal but that doesn’t make it right. As to Islam; they worship a so-called profit who was an avowed pedophile who preached “kill the infidal.” They beat their women and abuse their children, then brain-wash them to do the same. In their native lands sodomizing children is standard practice. Maybe you’re ready to roll over and worship Allah for these animals appeasement but most of us aren’t.

  • slickporsche

    THE DOCTOR
    Islam is not a religion nor is it a cult. It is a complete system.
    Islam has religious, legal, political, economic and military components. The religious component is a beard for all the other components.

    Islamization occurs when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their so-called ‘religious rights.’
    When politically correct and culturally diverse societies agree to ‘the reasonable’ Muslim demands for their ‘religious rights,’ they also get the other components under the table. Here’s how it works (percentages source CIA: The World Fact Book (2007)).
    As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness:

    United States — Muslim 1.0%
    Australia — Muslim 1.5%
    Canada — Muslim 1.9%
    China — Muslim 1%-2%
    Italy — Muslim 1.5%
    Norway — Muslim 1.8%

    At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs:

    Denmark — Muslim 2%
    Germany — Muslim 3.7%
    United Kingdom — Muslim 2.7%
    Spain — Muslim 4%
    Thailand — Muslim 4.6%

    From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population.
    They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply. ( United States ).

    France — Muslim 8%
    Philippines — Muslim 5%
    Sweden — Muslim 5%
    Switzerland — Muslim 4.3%
    The Netherlands — Muslim 5.5%
    Trinidad &Tobago — Muslim 5.8%

    At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the entire world.
    When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions ( Paris –car-burnings). Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats ( Amsterdam – Mohammed cartoons).

    Guyana — Muslim 10%
    India — Muslim 13.4%
    Israel — Muslim 16%
    Kenya — Muslim 10%
    Russia — Muslim 10-15%

    After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning:
    Ethiopia — Muslim 32.8%

    At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare:

    Bosnia — Muslim 40%
    Chad — Muslim 53.1%
    Lebanon — Muslim 59.7%

    From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels:

    Albania — Muslim 70%
    Malaysia — Muslim 60.4%
    Qatar — Muslim 77.5%
    Sudan — Muslim 70%

    After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide:

    Bangladesh — Muslim 83%
    Egypt — Muslim 90%
    Gaza — Muslim 98.7%
    Indonesia — Muslim 86.1%
    Iran — Muslim 98%
    Iraq — Muslim 97%
    Jordan — Muslim 92%
    Morocco — Muslim 98.7%
    Pakistan — Muslim 97%
    Palestine — Muslim 99%
    Syria — Muslim 90%
    Tajikistan — Muslim 90%
    Turkey — Muslim 99.8%
    United Arab Emirates — Muslim 96%

    100% will usher in the peace of ‘Dar-es-Salaam’ — the Islamic House of Peace — there’s (supposed) to be peace because everybody is a Muslim: we know however that this isnt true is it…?

    Afghanistan — Muslim 100%
    Saudi Arabia — Muslim 100%
    Somalia — Muslim 100%
    Yemen — Muslim 99.9%

    Of course, that’s not the case. To satisfy their blood lust, Muslims then start killing each other for a variety of reasons…and they are coming to a neighborhood near you…so keep thinking they are not going to harm you and they “accept” you

    • eddie47d

      There are evil Muslims and evil Christians. The Orthodox Christians of Serbia invaded Bosnia/Croatia in 1990. In Bosnia these Christians slaughtered 20,000 Muslims (blood lust). That in turn dragged Europe and America into that war. Evil on both sides have terrible consequences.

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        The Serbs didn’t kill enough of the bastards. Do you know that in both world wars the Muslims sided with the Axis powers?

  • slickporsche

    THe above is a something I copied from another forum. It makes sense to me as I have seen this happening time and again through the years.Is is what you want for America????

    • Granny Mae

      slickporsche,

      OMG ! At last someone that really does understand ! Everyone needs to get this in their heads. Islam is not a religion it is an ideoligy and a complete way of life. Their intent is to replace our way of life with theirs. Like it or not ! Too bad the women of Islam don’t realize they are the ones that hold the ability to change their lot in life and the entire system ! They are the only ones to get close enough to their men to make a difference. They serve them their food, sleep with them, raise their children and probably out number them in the household ! In other words the man may be the ruler of the roost but the woman rules the rooster ! Get it ?

  • Eric Bischoff

    The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.

  • Jim H.

    The quote from Douglas Mac Aurther,”It is fatal to enter any war without the will to WIN it”. It is also immoral. Our fighting men and woman have the will to win. Our politicians don’t. Militarily we can win, politically we won’t. We don’t need a nuke, we just need leadership that wants to WIN. I don’t see it in this administration.

    • Granny Mae

      Jim,

      Amen !

  • http://www.worldreports.org/news Andrea

    When will people ever wake up & realize that all warfare is for greed
    & power, so the rich can get richer. But by now everyone could have
    figuered out that there is something much more sinister behind the human genocide. Obviously some alien race, who wants us all dead in
    order to take over this planet. These powerful ‘Elite’ in government
    & industry clearly got corrupted big time by those aliens, promised
    heaven, gold & power to do their bidding for those vile aliens. By the
    time these idiots realize how they been had, it was too late. They already gotten used to their splendor & treasures & are now compromised & forced to keep up the sharade of wrong doings, on the
    road to massmurdering & genocide for humanity.
    Just google = secret covenant
    and dig in.
    Wake up.
    There is no need for war, its a total alien agenda, promoted by fear,
    with the tool of money. (complete foolsgold, cause you can not take it with you)
    Overpopulation is another such trick, pulled over on us.
    Because they are destroying this planet by sucking out the blood of
    mother nature from this planet = oil
    Yet they withhold free energy for a century now, Tesla showed us.
    .
    This planet would easily sustain 100 Billion people via technology.
    Enough space for each person to have an acre or 2 of land to call their own, deserts can be made fertile, already proven. Then after
    we could spread to other planets.
    Well, f y all.

  • W. H. Martin

    Only a total idiot would advocate nuking Afghanistan. There is no evidence that Afghanistan had anything to do with 911. It would make as much sense to bomb Miami and Hamburg on the pretext that some of the Saudi and Pakistani hijackers trained in those cities. The FBI says they have no evidence of bin Laden’s involvement. He is probably dead anyway.

  • Jim H.

    All warfare is for greed and power? So when we were attacked on Dec. 7 1941 or on 911, the reason we fought back was because we were greedy, not to defend ourselves? Are you one of these aliens, what color is the sky on your planet? Can’t you aliens exterminate us be yourselves? You need to trick us into doing it to ourselves. Clever!

  • John Myers

    Dear Readers,

    I think the message was missed in what I wrote and for that I am probably somewhat to blame. I did not lightly layout that nuclear weapons are a good choice and that we should commit genocide. The intent was much along the lines of my favorite philosopher and economist, John Stuart Mill who was a leading voice of Utilitarianism.

    Mill proclaimed that the moral worth of any action is determined solely by its utility to a society or to a world. I don’t advocate the “Bomb” because it kills, but rather because it might have saved tens, even hundreds of thousands of lives.

    The number of American service men and women killed in Afghanistan and Iraq is approaching 6,000. The number of dead Iraqis and Afghans can only be estimated but more than 100,000 is a reasonable guess. All this blood and yet the enemy — Al-Qaeda — remains a threat.

    One final note: some of you are outraged that I would advocate the use of a nuclear device against the “enemy”. But have no illusions. If given the chance they would and could use a nuclear weapon against you and your children. Let us just hope that America’s restraint in the autumn of 2001 doesn’t someday give them that chance.

    Sincerely,

    John Myers

    • Denniso

      John Myers…there would obviously be more dead and burned and people dying from radiation poisoning if we used nukes in any war, unless,like the Japanese,they surrendered after a relatively small device were used on one city,of relatively small population…what makes you think that the Taliban would do that? The only think it could accomplish is maybe fewer American casualties if we did everyhting from afar. Whether we bombed the whole country to get the Taliban to surrender or we killed literally all of them,it wouldn’t matter if we used nukes or conventional bombs and cruise missiles. The ‘fallout’ of either approach would be huge civilian deaths and world condemnation. There has to be some proportional response to the original provocation,which killed just under 3,000 of our people. Can we then be considered moral people if we kill a million or more civilians who had absolutely nothing to do w/ it?

      Don’t forget, the Taliban and Al Qaeda are not an enemy w/ a regular army that is identifiable that we can attack…they live in the cities and villages among civilians, women,children and old men.

      If we don’t try to adhere to a higher standard of morality than the 9/11 attackers and suicide bombers do,then we are no better than they are. The most powerful country in the history of the world can’t stoop
      to the lowest common denominator when provoked by evil.

      • MJ Montana

        Did you even read what Myers said?

        If you want to argue against him Denniso try using logic and reason. A little education wouldn’t hurt either.

        You can use Mill himself and say that more harm would be done than good with the use of a nuclear weapon. Or you could turn to Immanuel Kant and say that the good moral thing to do is indpendent of utilitarianism and stands on its own weight.

        Myers has plenty of holes in his argument but you didn’t point out any of them.

        • Denniso

          Of course I read the little article…Why don’t you point out more holes in Myers argument if you don’t think I did well enough?

          • MJ Montana

            Okay, since I can’t get you to think for yourself Denniso, I will do it for you.

            Myers wants to claim that a greater good would come from killing the leadership of Al-Qaeda with a tactical nuclear weapon, which he says may have in turn saved hundreds of thousands of lives. I think the Muslim war was going long before Al-Qaeda and the use of a nuclear devise would just alienate America further from the rest of the world and further fuel Muslin hated. The greater good that Mill talks about means the the United States should not have used the bomb.

            Since you can’t read the big words that Kant wrote, let me explain that he would say that using a nuclear weapon is inherently wrong and therfore amoral.

            This one is a free-bee. Next time pick up a book and read it for yourself.

          • Denniso

            MJ Montana…you want me to think for myself and you apparently need JS Mill and Kant to tell you that using nuclear weapons on Afghanistan
            would be counterproductive and immoral?

            I’m not sure what your problem is,since we agree that Myers proposal is ridiculous. Books? I read….you? You should be asking the warmongers here who want to drop the bomb if they read.

      • Pathfinder

        Denniso: Nazis and Imperialist Japanese also lived among civilians who suffered or were killed during WWII. Please learn some history. (Have you ever even heard of Dresden?)
        I thank God that such an idiotic excuse for reasoning was not widespread in America during WWII. Otherwise we might all be National Socialists now and there would be no synogogues in America, just like in the moslem controlled countries. It is time to adopt a zero tolerance policy toward Islam and eradicate it from the face of the earth. It is time to oppose jihad with a worldwide crusade. I am a crusader.

        • Denniso

          Maybe you’re a crusader,but you sound more like an idiot. First,clueless, WW2 was all out world war…we lost 500,000 soldiers,Russia lost somewhere in the millions…the world wide death toll from the war and disease that resulted was 20 to 40 million.

          9/11 claimed 3,000 Americans,tragic, but not quite on the scale of WW2. The fire bombing of Dresden and Tokyo is not something to be proud of and neither is the first use of nuclear weapons…it’s debatable whether those episodes were justified or necessary but the scale and urgency and stakes were way larger than the relatively small battle w/ a few thousand muslim fannatics.

          You want America to drop to the level of the suicide bombers,but fortunately you’re in a small minority.

    • Trueman

      you suggest nuclear response, but at what target? Iraq? Afghanistan is estimated to have at max 100 Al Qaeda operatives. There’s no one to nuke! Your suggestion is ill researched and frankly irresponsible. There is no Berlin here. There is no Tokyo. There are only civilian urban targets and four or five guys tops living in any of a million possible caves. Its not a winnable war: hell, that’s why it was chosen. A winnable war is like an oil company that dries a well and decides the oil bidness is over. No way, war is a business but total war destroys economies. The war on terror, the war on drugs, you can keep that simmering for decades and before you know it people pour their taxes into combat and they dont even know why. kids die, money gets spent, and you are traitor if you don’t like it. Its a scam, like everything else, someone pulls a fast one so they can get paid and put a pool in their backyard. Now do your research and quit shilling for your own gold business. You actions have consequences Myers.

      • Jake Reed

        To the contary there was good intelligence on the mountain range that Al-Qaeda was holed up in with its leader bin Laden. They had a catacomb of caves that protected them from the conventional weapons that were dropped. The truth is that in pure tactical terms, the leadership headed by bin Laden was far removed from a major populace center such as Tokoyo was when it was fire-bombed without mercy.

        From a pure tactical point of view Myers’ idea makes sense for the period right after 9/11. As for the morality of it, I can’t agree with Myers’ on that. Not unless, as he points out, things get much worse and Al-Qaeda is ever able to use the bomb on us.

  • http://gmail i41

    Harold Olsen, the media, I think it was the New York Post blabbed that the military was monitoring cell phones when Been al camel dung moron lite out the back door, in the first gulf war. Another black affermative action idoit, Colin Powell didn’t want Swartneggar to proceed to clean house in Iraq, since he was and still is a UN worshipper. This info had to be leaked by either Sen. Depends “Leaky Leheay” as he did years ago on judical matters, or Asine Powell, New York Post is just another tool of the democrap party idoit branch. The idea that Onumnutts, had of just talking and playing paddy cakes, sure made the USA look like a smuck, same as the incessant bowing and kissing to foriegn countries. Now the dumb muslim marxist bastard is sending an ambassador to Japan to apolagize for dropping the nuke on them. I had two uncles who survived fighting the Germans and the Japenese. They both were set to go into the mainland Japan, they said it would have been a slaughter on both sides. My late father-in-law fought in N. Africa where he had a leg shot up. His comment was, he would rather fight Germans than Japs, since Germans would quit when over whelmed, but he said the Japs were just like the camel jockeies, they would fight for a cause, but he said the Arabs could never be trusted and said if Germans would have won, They would of had to go back and exterminate the lying Arabs, even though Arabs embraced Hilter and the the 3rd Reich. The sand dunes should have been bombed, a glass covered sand dunes doesn’t blow and maybe the muslims breeding rate would have been slower. But Japan proves that wrong. If Patton would have kept going , there wouldn’t have been a cold war and there would have been more free people. Eric one of you past posts stated A Dyamics Curve and a natural progession is needed for 3rd world idoits, I guess that helps explain socialist democrats, they still have the tribal genentic stupidity gene hasn’t been bred out of the matrix. Several posts have stated there is a genic stupid breed in pretty deep in democrats and their spawn.

    • Pathfinder

      i41: Come on man, give Obama a break. He was not bowing to the Arab.

      His teleprompter fell over !! LOL!!

    • lola

      Sir, I just had to stop reading your comment because so many words were spelled wrong and maybe one sentence actually made enough sense to be readable. I would suggest maybe reading a dictionary or going back to school.

      • eddie47d

        That was his top intelligence bracket.

  • William Barry

    I’m not sure we’re doing everything we need to do to stay on the offensive against the Islamists. It occurred to me today to take a closer look at history.

    In the 700′s, the Muslims conquered Spain and were about to roll up France until Charles Martel stopped them at the Battle of Tours in 732. Over the next 750 years, the Christian Spanish reclaimed their homeland… acre by acre and mile by bloody mile.

    The very fact that the Moors of Cordoba withdrew when they were expected to fight to the bitter end suggests that they were taking the long view when they left. “Let the infidels have their victory,” they must have said. “Spain will be under the flag of Islam again, whether it takes us a thousand years or ten thousand.” Also the very fact that there is a Spain as we know it today may be additional evidence of this.

    What am I driving at? Well, let me lay this question on you: If the Moors of the 1400s had ever entertained the notion that neither they nor their remotest descendants would ever set foot on Spanish soil again, what would they have done?

    I don’t think they would have left the Iberian peninsula quietly, nor as quietly as they did. I think they would have let fanaticism rule the day and completely ruined that land, just as the Romans did whenever they were kicked out of some territory that they had previously conquered. If they could never enjoy it again, then nobody would. Such a barbaric practice was called “salting the fields and poisoning the wells.” It’s considered the ultimate act of spite.

    I think that if Al-Qaeda and the Taliban ever thought they would never return to Afghanistan and Iraq,by now they would have done something truly dreadful with chemicals or bio-weapons and turned both of those countries into wastelands where not even an insect could live.

    • Pathfinder

      William Barry: Thank you, thank you, thank you. It is good to know that at least somebody here has learned some history.

      In addition I would like to add that the moslems had gotten to the gates of Vienna before being repulsed from the eastern portion of europe. Also, Bosnia is still fighting to this very day. (On a side note: Bill Clinton bombed the christians and saved muslims in bosnia. Then look at the thanks we get for helping to save muslims from someone who knew the proper way to deal with them.) The crusades were a delayed response to MOSLEM AGGRESSION. Constantinople was under siege and called on christian europe for help.

      It is time for a new crusade. This time not just to free the holy land; but to remove ALL Islam from the face of the earth. Let us all become crusaders.

      • lola

        Thank you for finally looking at history, but you both have missed a crucial part of the story. First of all, in Spain the Moors, yes they were violent when it came to protecting “their” land which was where they had lived for 500 years in the southern part of the Spanish peninsula, Granada. For the 200 years before Ferdinand and Isabella came into power Muslims, Jews, and Catholics/Christians coexisted in this society. The reason they ceased to coexist was because F & I wanted as much land as they could get so that they could have more influence in Italy, largely Sicily and Naples. They signed a treaty with the Moors that left them rights, but when the inquisition began the Muslims became more and more persecuted along with the Jews and decided to leave, but no they did not go quietly into the night.
        I can’t understand how you believe that these people should be wiped off the face of the earth. How inhumane can you be to want to wipe out a couple billion people? Not all of these people are spite-filled-american-hating killers, they are women, men and children who want to be accepted into the communities they live in. Yes there are sects of the religion who are more violent, but you can’t group all these people into one huge horrible group like you are doing.
        Also, when they fought Constantine XI to get the city you can’t base that on the same grounds as the present situation. In fact it is COMPLETELY different. Mehmet II was the Ottoman Emperor and he set the grounds for the attack. He considered himself an intellectual and studied the past empires of the world, he wanted to consider himself the next Alexander the Great, in fact he even referred to himself as so. cHe was a cruel and strict person, that’s the way he was. He saw himself as “foot soldier of Mohammed”, yet religiously tolerant. He gave protection to those of different faiths in his empire. He wanted to take over Constantinople because Constantine XI still considered himself the Roman Emperor and the people of the city still considered themselves Roman citizens, it essentially was the remains of the greatest empire that ever was. And Mehmet wanted to take over the Roman Empire, and in turn make his empire the next great. That is what Rome did to Greece, the great empire before it. When he succeeded he turned the Hagia Sophia into a Mosque, but let Christians have their churches and let them be. All he wanted was to be the one to take over the “Roman Empire”, getting possession of Justinian’s Apple, the symbol of the Christian Empire was just the cherry on top. I mean the guy wanted to conquer Venice, but instead they sent him Bellini to do his portrait and he moved on. This guy was cultured and cared about history and power before anything else.

  • Robert Hauser

    I stand as much for bona fide national defense as anyone on this blog….but I have a homicidal disregard for those in public office—especially the ilk of the chocolate messiah—–who never felt the inside of a military uniform, wouldn’t know which end of a shovel to stick in the ground or which end of a rifle the bullet came out and couldn’t pour the piss out of an army boot with the instructions written on the heel, marching us off to plunder foreign lands and murder their citizens in the totally false name of “national defense”.
    What is taking place right now in Afghanistan I flatly refuse to dignify with the name of “war”….it is nothing but sociopathically instigated aggression against a nation that has never posed any threat to us and asks for no more than for us to get our god damned sorry asses off her soil and out of the lives of her people and for those in America to try for once doing something we never have been much if any good at: minding our own sonsobitching bizz.
    Here’s Bob Livingston telling us the US gov’t is a damned bald-faced liar as if most of us weren’t born with that knowledge by now…..but he is advocating dropping a nuke on the country.
    With each passing day I am staggered anew by the sheer, blind, raging and quite suicidal stupidity and mental derangement of this country….finally having it knocked through their skulls just how palsied our lick spittle pro-Israel foreign policy is and then in the same damned breath saying we should nuke Afghanistan and “be done with it”….thereby of course incurring at least the combined and horrendous wrath of both Russia and China, whose infantries are far bigger and tougher than ours by whole scales of magnitude, if not that of the entire planet.
    America has truly lost all of its screws and its ball bearings.

    I should point out that despite what is said about MacArthur, good bad or indifferent, and that he was incurably cinephilic, he was nonetheless, a trained and very experienced soldier…he was therefore shrewd enough to know that since UN authorized “police action” mandates required that the complete battle plans of all UN field commands involving the movement of brigade or larger forces had to first be forwarded to the UN “Security Council” before being executed, and that by UN Charter, drawn up by none other than Alger Hiss, the Council had to include a Soviet, in this case Konstantin Zinchenko, it struck MacArthur as no surprise that the Korcoms anticipated each and every one of our maneuvers and was never where we expected them and always where we didn’t.
    MacArthur began dispatching one set of battle plans to UN HQ and then carrying out an entirely different one….this resulted in a very sudden reversal of our fortunes in Korea and it also resulted in Truman’s skull going through the roof of the Oval Office twice: once going up and one more time on the way down …and the canning of MacArthur for the “insubordination” of trying to win a war rather than just wasting American lives and purposely losing while trying to make it look like what it was not.
    Hypocritically enough—just like right now—while we were supposedly “fighting” communism in Korea, communist rats in Hollywood were perfectly free to go on grinding out their filth….and all of the coprophagous leftovers from the FDR regime were perfectly free to totally sabotage our foreign and domestic policies and walk around Hogwashington DC in their 600 dollar Italian suits and plead the Fifth all day long when called to testify before congress…..in 1951, when we were taking our heaviest casualties in Korea, the FBI arrested 4984 known communist subversives….4555 of them turned out to be jewish “DP”s.

    America never learns.

    • Pathfinder

      Robert Hauser: Can’t say that I appreciate what I percieve to be anti-semitism on your part. But on a number of points you are absolutely correct.

      1) Our government was throughly infiltrated by communists. (Joe McCarthy where are you now when we need you more than ever ?)
      2)Korea and other UN fiascoes are to waste American tax dollars and American lives. They serve little if any American interests. (BTW the USA used to be very good at minding its own business. We used to follow George Washington’s advice and avoid “foreign entanglements”. But that soon became unfashionable being calle “isolationism”.)

      In spite of our agreement there I still think that we must oppose the jihad and I do favor using our most powerful weapons, namely nukes. I think that it is time for a worldwide crusade to totally eradicate Islam from the face of the earth.

      In the meantime, I wish you well since you do favor keeping America strong.

  • Nazihater

    I say drop the bomb! No…not for the little bit of oil in afganistan, but for the GEM resources that are there! When did anyone ever mine that freakin’ shithole?? At least we’d get back a little of the billions we’ve wasted!! I’d venture to say there’s no telling what’s in those mountains. Prob a few diamonds, etc.

  • Nazihater

    How ’bout THIS scenario? A few in here are calling for a REVOLUTION. Ok. I’m with you….BUT: What kind of REVOLUTION?? Yes, we have the 2nd amendment for now…..until the chocolate nazi muslim and his henchman Holder decides that they want to finish off our Constitution and take away our right to bear arms. But….let’s go back to a REVOLUTION: Are you trying to tell us that a few thousand hillbillies in Kentucky, Alabama, etc with some shotguns, AKs, etc are going to take on the illegal dictator’s brown-shirt force? What about his AIR STRIKES?? How will we defend ourselves from THE AIR????
    The only way I can see us winning a REVOLUTION would be to somehow confiscate Our AIR ARSENAL and hopefully a lot of Patriot Pilots would be willing to fly them!!

  • http://herringtons.home.mindspring.com lighterknot

    This blog is really unbelievable; I’ve advocated for well over 40 years the need to dismantle and do away with nuclear weapons and other weaponry that can’t be discriminating. I knew there would be psychopaths out there that might rise to power that would justify the use of them. John Myers I hope you don’t represent the reasoning of the right…but according to this thread you seem to have a chirring majority.

    Id like to think Eric Bischoff for hanging in there and expressing pretty much my view; and the few of you who agreed with him.

    What is most bothering is – most of you advocates of using the bomb really think you are christens.

  • hundabuxt

    The Muslum’s are a creeping cancer and much like Europe we’re allowing them to infect our country. When a physician encounters a cancer he or she often cuts it out and takes some healthy flesh with it just to be certain. Get it through your heads people. The Muslum movement will kill you if you do not convert and comply. Hunting season needs to open if you get my drift and they need to become an endangered species. You’ve watched them cut heads off on the internet. Get a clue.

    • http://none Alex

      Wouldn’t everything have been much better then, if the Indians had simply killed every White person they ever saw?

      • Pathfinder

        Alex: Good idea !! Then the indians could return to starvation and canabalism every winter. (PS When hungry enough, even white people will do this. As evidence, I cite the Donner party.)

  • chuck b

    roberet hauser

    mccarthy was right. we have evidence sitting in the white house tending to the muslim. remove our troops from afghan and remove the muslims and communist from the u.s. that would probably do away with the democratic party. people have a hard time reading and understanding past history, they tend to repeat mistakes.

  • http://none Alex

    What a horribly insensitive time to publish such a stupid article—the eve of 65th anniversary of the WORST act of terrorism, the single act that is, as least to this day, the nadir of evil human development, the atomic bombing of Hiroshima.

    This most barbaric of war crimes, followed only three days later with a similar attack on the sleeping babies of Nagasaki, has marker the White Estates of Amerika as a purely EVIL empire.

    Don’t sing the old song about the A-bombs saving “hundreds of thousands” of GI lives whio would have been lost in an invasion of the Japanese homeland. This is an ABSOLUTE lie, peddled onto the ignorant Amerikan public to assuage the collective guilt for incinerating so many thousands of non-combatants.

    President Truman’s own diaries show that he, and the US War Department, knew that Japan was prepared to sue for peace, seeing that the war was lost.

    Like so many other Amerikan atrocities (My Lai, Rosewood, the Black Hills, much of Iraq, etc.), we weave convenient little stories of whole cloth to keep our precious children from the truth.

    Here is the truth, indisputable, for anyone with a sense of morality: Paul Tibbits and the crew of the Enola Gay are being raked across the coals of Hell for the evil they had sewn in their mortal lives—this is what happens to ALL terrorists.

    Tell your children that the REAL reason we dropped the atomic bombs on Japan was to make a point to the Soviets: Watch your butts.

    We didn’t toast 200,000+ CIVILIANS to save any GIs, we did it to scare off the Soviets, without whose help we could not have beaten the Germans.

    Go, America!! Burn babies to make points!

    The single-most evil empire in History is us!!!

    • hundabuxt

      You seem to convienently overlook the millions of his own people stalin killed. Stalin made Hitler look like an amature. It is true however that the Russians carried the ball while the rest of the world tooled up to get in the game and while we would have eventually defeated Hitler, in the absense of Russia it would have taken much longer. It must be remembered that prior to operation Barbarosia (Germany invading Russia) Russia signed an agreement with Hitler for nonagression, so Russia wanted to sit on the sidelines while Hitler destroyed and invaded much of the rest of the world.

    • Pathfinder

      Alex: That old song, that you call a lie, is instead an absolute truth. Like the jaackass democrat party (what and appropriate symbol they have) you forget both the world trade center and the bombing of pearl harbor. (BTW the republicans need to change their symbol from an elephant to a RINO.) Unprovoked attacks, especially sneak attacks, deserve a vicious and crushing response. That you lack the stomach for such reality, only shows that your DNA is less likely to be around during future millenia. While your conquerors progeny inhabit the land.

      • http://none Alex

        Sorry, but you are incorrect, m’am.
        Look it up—we only dropped the a-bombs as a show of post-war strength.
        There was NEVER going to be any big “invasion” of the mainland. Without incinerating innocent non-combatants we would have ended up with the same result—non-violent occupation, dummy.
        You Fright Wingers never read, do you?

  • http://www.gods-messenger.webs.com coolcat7

    If America is really serious in ending the war against terrorism, save billions of dollars in war spending, and save their soldiers from being killed in Afghanistan and Iraq, then they should drop nuclear devices on Helmand, Swat and the terrorist training camp Al-Shabaab in Somalia. This will surely eliminate all Islamic terrorists in these locations, and that includes Osama bin Laden. If America does not, then their country’s economy will really collapse because of billions of wasted dollars in war spending.

    • Denniso

      So you don’t mind incinerating babies and pregnant women and little old men? All of whom would be totally innocent of any thing the Taliban has done?

      Let me guess, you’re a good Christian?

  • http://herringtons.home.mindspring.com lighterknot

    Well this article of psychopathic lunacy should confirm the instability of the right wing and its ability to reason. Stop any GOP take over ambitions from happening come next election. Unless the great majority are all psychopaths which could be the case…in which case the world is likely plotting our demise with good reason.

    • Pathfinder

      lighterknot: And when jihad first started around 400 AD, exactly what had Europe done to deserve being attacked?? The current attacks are merely a continuation of Moslem aggression. When sharia finally comes, sre you planning on paying jizya, and submitting to dimmitude; or will you be beheaded ?? Time to wake up and smell the rotting corpses that Islam leaves in its wake.

      • eddie47d

        Christianity has left plenty of rotting corpes laying around also. I think if you add up the bodies we (world wide Christians) would be the winner.

  • Imperator03

    Typical knee-jerk reaction. Things aren’t going well so we should just use a Nuke and it’ll all be better. Stupid.

    I’ll agree that the way the war in Afghanistan was botched from the beginning, but that’s a function of the screwed up way our government and military works. The best way to deal with the situation would have been to send in Special Forces to localize and get real time intel on bin Laden’s hiding place. Drop a couple of bunker busters and, viola, problem solved.

    Instead we got the entire Congressional-Military-Industrial complex involved. Our armed services have to justify their budgets somehow and what better way to do that than a shooting war? Not only that, the previous administration is guilty of the sin of overreach. While Afghanistan was still a mess, they opened up a totally new front in Iraq. Not exactly readers of Sun Tzu.

    Not that the current administration is coming off smelling like a rose either. Far from it. At least the previous President could be bothered to visit wounded troops at the hospital, this President gives a shout out before talking about the Ft. Hood shooting. He dithers about sending more troops and can’t successfully prosecute those responsible for 9/11.

    If the antics of both this administration and the previous one are any guide, the entire class of professional politicians is a class the United States of America can do without.

  • Gunner Asch

    Jumped in here on a link. Now I need to wash. A lot. Hopefully all you people are already in an insane asylum and this is just paranoid rage therapy.

    • Denniso

      Pretty good…you do have to wonder how many here are locked up somewhere…prison,mental asylums.

    • John Law

      Nobody said use a nuke now. It is a “what if story?” What “IF” it had been used in weeks or even days after 9/11.

      • JeffH

        You get it…

        • Denniso

          You don’t get it…the title of the article is,’why we should have dropped the bomb’. He also says clearly, that Americans would be safer and the world a better place if we had used N weapons on Afghanistan. That’s a little different than a ‘what if’ article. It’s directly advocating the use of nuclear weapons and slaughtering innocents in the process.

          • JeffH

            Shut your mouth stupid…more than one way to skin a rat!

          • Denniso

            JeffH is devolving right before our eyes…

  • Pathfinder

    Of course we can’t use nukes!! That never works !! (Feel the sarcasm)
    We tried it on Japan and it didn’t work. They kept on fighting and WWII is still going on.

    Wait !! You mean the japs DID surrender. WWII is over and has been for years. Maybe the use of nukes is not such a bad idea after all.

  • chuck b

    alex

    evidently you are a current student of our failing education system or a throw back from the sixties.
    russia didn’t help us defeat the germans. go back and read the true history of ww2. when germany invaded russia, they wwent thru the russian army like a thrashing machine in a wheat field, thousands of the russian troops deserted to join the german army. the russians had nothing in the way of tanks or planes to stand against the germans, you’ve been reading communist propaganda. we stopped the german army by cutting off their fuel supply, thats what stopped the german army.
    we supplied the russians the necessary supplies, food , armament and planes thru the port of mumansk and lost lots of ships in doing so. without us russia would have been flying the swastika. your almighty communist have little to brag about when it comes to military conquest, however, they did defewat our education system.

  • atlas reborn

    gunner sometimes when things are looking extremely bad a little sci-fiction is in order. any sane person would say what are you saying. so i think that you need not worry. whoops we have obama,pelosi, and reid, I guess anything is possible. with these nutcases in power anything goes. do not worry they allways keep their word. oops I forgot they lie. and they tell whoppers. well we will just have to grin and bear it. this is the age of stupidity and I mean real stupidity.

  • Trueman

    i’ve been reading this comments and you guys are naive idiots. i mean the writer of this article is obviously trying to make a buck buying and selling gold whatever whatever.

    but you vets are crowing a whooping about invasion and getting yer guns and fighting the good fight. the fights over. you lost. the war in the middle east will never end because thats not its purpose. its not supposed won, its supposed to be an annually renewed military contract.

    let me spell it out for you: kids and tax dollars go in, and military contracts get won (the only thing that is won). kids die, civilians die, and people pay their taxes and it all goes to Lockheed-Martin et als. And those companies pay for political campaigns.

    There is no conspiracy to take over the government…haha its taken over but for petty cash. Senators wanna get paid, CEOs wanna get paid. Its just war business man its the same as the grain lobby or the oil companies. No one would shut down their business when its all profit (since the tax payer picks up the tab) why would we win a war when we have more jets and guns to be sold?

    And seriously, if the US was going to be invaded it would be taken over by ideas not bullets. You guys are soldiers not animals so you know that what separates us from animals is that we follow orders when it promotes our health and safety. Well! Isn’t it just so healthy and safe to have all these nice Indonesian slaves make all our WalMart s–t? Red Dawn! HAHAHA don’t make me laugh. When the “commies” take over it will be because they are actually “cappies” (China has been a capitalist totalitarian state since the 80s) and they will just manipulate our economy for their own purposes. Thats how wars are fought between 1st world countries: not with bullets but with brains and we’ve got none. watch fewer action moves and go read a book why doncha

  • jopa

    One nuclear bomb to take out Osame Bin Laden, what a concept.What if a whole division had to be taken out, how many bombs.We could also use them in West Virginia for mountaintop mining.One bomb could take out the whole mountaintop instead of tons of conventional explosives.We could also use nuclear bombs for flood control along the Mississippi.Bomb out a big hole for springtime runoff and use the water in this hole for irrigation during drought.The farmers would’nt have to buy tractors with headlights since their crops would glow in the dark.Just so many uses what were we thinking. Or are we???

  • Boo Ewald Taylor

    I would prefer to never see nucs used again, so much destruction and waste, I can only see using them to retaliate and then it would be over for many of us (let’s hope that those left would get along and be able to start over) quickly. I wish we could bring our military angels back home and never worry about those that hate us to leave us alone to prosper and be happy, but you can’t trust those crazy American haters. The attitude of all those who hate us will never change, educating those people is the only way to change anyone’s mind, and experience is the best way. If they could live as we, they would hopefully want to be free, given the opportunity. Isn’t that why foreigners come to our country, to make free market cash and live as they want to live. It’s slipping away so easily and I can’t believe this is all happening in my lifetime. I thought it would be many centuries before we lost the republic, as Franklin warned would be so hard to keep. Lost over my dead body!!!! We can do this, we gotta take it back!! November’s coming, it’s a start.

  • Valvalval

    Um, I checked out this link and now I want to vomit.

    1. Rational: There’s nothing to nuke in Afghanistan anyway.
    2. Emotional: You folks are disgusting, sadistic death worshipers that ought to consider taking your genes out of the pool.

  • mcjeebus h

    I checked this link too and my reaction is whatabunca(offensive words removed).

    For a minute I thought my brother-in-law wrote this piece it was frickin stoooopid and so full of teenage immaturity. (offensive words removed)

    • Lena

      At least Myers makes an arguement. As bad as it is it has some logic. All you say is Myers is stupid.

      I bet when someone says to you: “Is!”, you yell back, “Is NOT!” Way to go in exercising reason and logic!

      I know, I know: “IS NOT!”

      • eddie47d

        No, Meyers incites arguments and is a betrayal to human decency. Kind of like the Whahabi schools in Saudi Arabia . They let these schools teach violence and hate towards America and then say they are our friends. Mr Meyers on a daily basis tells you who to hate and what to bomb.

        • JeffH

          Daily you reveal your profound ignorance! You must be a product of the Whahabi schools as your hate for anyone you don’t agree with shines through with your total lack of substance and your meaningless rhetoric.

          • eddie47d

            Jeff ,Your titty for tat routine is really getting old especially with your boring responses. Do you have anything wise to say or are you strictly a wise ass!

          • Denniso

            JeffH has essentially nothing to say…what little he may have once had to spout off about has disipated so that all he can do now is attack for the sake of attack…sad.

          • JeffH

            duh!nisso and fast edduh! I just love it when the children come out to play. huh uh! That’s not fair, two liberals ganging up on a good American patriot…wah, wah, wah! Go cry to someone that cares!
            fast edduh! It ain’t tit fot tat either, you don’t bring either one…say it again Sam?

  • Ken

    OUr government is no longer run by men it is run by pansies who no longer follow the will of the people. I think each state should suceed and we should start a new federal government by for and of the people and the origional constitution. Our real enemy comes from within

  • glenn

    “a war that has no recognizable enemy”

    Yeah, drop a nuclear bomb on an “enemy that can’t be easily recognized from the overall population.”

    Is this the ‘kill them all and let God sort them out’ theory?

    We already, each human on Earth, has nuclear residue from Hiroshima and Nagasaki in their bodies. Nuclear weapons are not the solution to the Afghanistan problem, where the U.S. National Guard is being mis-used by guarding opium poppy plantations, when they should be at home preparing to defend the States against the Federal government.

  • Nazihater

    RE: Valvalval 1. Rational: There’s nothing to nuke in Afghanistan anyway.
    2. Emotional: You folks are disgusting, sadistic death worshipers that ought to consider taking your genes out of the pool.

    As I said earlier…how do you KNOW that there’s NOTHING in Afganistan?? Where did all of the jewels that the Great emperors of Persia etc come from? How do you KNOW that there’s NOTHING in the mountains of Afganistan? Have those mountains ever been mined? I believe they have, but not nearly thoroughly enuff to get everything valuable out of them, I’m not talking about PEOPLE here! I’m talking about GEMS. There no telling what minerals those mountains hold in that shithole of a country!!!! At least it would be a way for us to recover the billions that we’re pouring into this ‘war’ !!!!!

  • FreedomFighter

    The richest mineral/gem field studded mountains left on earth controlled by psychotic, suicide bombing fantatical terrorists is kinda worries me, especially since they can grow all those pretty poppy plants to finance operations.

    We need to pound these evil terrorists into dust. IMHO we can always make those mountains radioactive for the next 10,000 years, its allways a better option than letting these monsters whatever resources present.

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

  • http://none TWHeikkinen MBA

    Lets go 100% to finish this war,by all methods possible or get out. Obama offers no leadership either in Iraq or during the oil spill.

  • http://none Mark-223

    Dear45Cal,I’ve got your back till the ammo’s gone,wife knows how to & is willing to load clips and just try my aim.DOWN WITH HUSSEIN obama,traitor and enemy of the state.A fellow Texan,Mark

  • Henry

    Read this article that was written in Spain. I translated it so you can see what Islam really is since Europe is facing these animals.
    Islam is not a religion, nor a cult. In its broadest form, 100% complete, total is a way of life.
    Islam has religious, legal, political, economic, social and military components.
    The religious component is a cover for all other components.
    The Islamization begins when you reach enough Muslims to start campaigns for religious privileges in a country.
    When in politically correct, tolerant societies and culturally diverse demands of the Muslims in their religious privileges are accepted, some of the remaining components also tend to infiltrate the other aspects of public life.
    Here how all this works:
    While the Muslim population to stays around, or less than 2% of any country, it will be seen by the locals as a loving minority of peace, and not as a threat to other citizens.

    This is the case of what is going on:
    USA: 0.6% of Muslims
    Australia: 1.5% of Muslims
    Canada: 1.9% of Muslims
    China: 1.8% Muslim
    Italy: 1.5% of Muslims
    Norway: 1.8% Muslim

    With a population that range between 2% and 5%, Muslims begin with proselytizing among disaffected groups of the place, often with considerable recruitment in prisons and between street gangs and other ethnic minorities. This is happening at:
    ( Evil looks for evil )
    Denmark: 2.0% of Muslims
    Germany: 3.7% Muslim
    United Kingdom: 2.7% of Muslims
    Spain: 4.0% Muslim
    Thailand: 4.6% of Muslims
    Of 5% of Muslim population, they have an influence orbited regarding the percentage of the population they represent. For example, will insist on the introduction of (clean according to Islamic precepts) halal food, thus securing jobs handles food reserved for Muslims. Start pressure on supermarket chains that displayed on their shelves – along with the corresponding threats halal food if these requirements are not met.

    This is happening at:
    France: 8.0% Muslim
    Philippines: 5.0% Muslim
    Sweden: 5.0% Muslim
    Switzerland: 4.3% of Muslims
    Netherlands: 5.5% Muslim
    Trinidad and Tobago: 5.8% of Muslims
    At this point, will work so that governmental authority allowed them to be regulated under Sharia, Islamic law (inside of their ghettos).
    The ultimate goal of Islam is to establish Sharia worldwide.

    When Muslims are close to 10% of the population, tend to increase the anarchy as a means of complaining about their living conditions in the country. In Paris we have already seen the unstoppable riots with burning cars and street furniture. In this situation, any non-Muslim action offends Islam, and results in insurrections and threats, such as the Amsterdam after opposition to bullets of Muhammad and films about Islam. These tensions are daily, particularly in the Muslim areas of:

    Guyana: 10.0% of Muslims
    India: 13.4% of Muslims
    Israel: 16.0% of Muslims
    Kenya: 10.0% of Muslims
    Russian: 15.0% of Muslims

    After reaching 20%, Nations can expect shocking disturbances, formation of militia jihadists, sporadic killings, and the burning of churches

    Ethiopia: 32.8% of Muslims

    With 40% Muslims, Nations are experiencing widespread massacres, chronic terrorist attacks, and uninterrupted war militias, as in:

    Bosnia: 40.0% Muslim
    Chad: 53.1% of Muslims
    Lebanon: 59.7% Muslim

    Countries that reach 60% of Muslim population experience persecution without limit of non-believers of all other religions (including no orthodox Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), the use of the Sharia law as a weapon, and the establishment of the Jizya, tax on all the unbelievers, as it is happening in:

    Albania: 70,0% Muslim
    Malaysia: 60.4% of Muslims
    Qatar: 77.5% of Muslims
    Sudan: 70,0% Muslim

    Of 80% intimidation must wait and jihad violent not Islamic population, some kind of directed by the State, and even some genocide, ethnic cleansing as these Nations expels the few unbelievers who are running, and are directed towards the goal of a 100% Muslim, State as you have already experienced, or is in the process of achievement in:

    Bangla Desh: 83,0% Muslim
    Egypt: 90,0% Muslim
    Gaza: 98.7% of Muslims
    Indonesia: 86.1% of Muslims
    Iran: 98,0% Muslim
    Iraq: 97,0% Muslim
    Jordan: 92,0% Muslim
    Morocco: 98.7% of Muslims
    Pakistan: 97,0% Muslim
    Palestine 99,0% Muslim
    Syria: 90,0% Muslim
    Tajikistan: 90,0% Muslim
    Turkey: 99.8% of Muslims
    Arab Emirates: 96.0% of Muslims

    Up to 100% will mark the beginning of peace “Dar-es-Salaam” (the paradise of the peace Islamic). Here, given presume the existence of peace, because everyone is Islamic, the Madrases are the only schools, and the Qur’an the single word, such as:

    Afghanistan: 100% Muslim
    Saudi Muslim 100 %
    Somali Muslim 100 %
    Yemen: 100% Muslim

    Unfortunately, peace never will be reached, since in these States with 100% Muslim, those most radical intimidate vomit hatred and satisfy your cravings murdering less radical Muslims for a variety of reasons.

    “By the age of nine, had already learned doctrine basic Arab life: I was against my brother; I and my brother against our father; my family from my cousins and clan; clan against the tribe; tribe against the world, and all together against the infidels”

    Leon URIs “The pilgrimage”

    It is important to understand that in some countries; with much less 100% of Muslims, as in France, the Muslim minority live in ghettos, within which constitute 100%, and those who live under Sharia law. Police not dares to enter into these ghettos.
    There are no courts, national schools, nor non-Muslim religious establishments.
    In these situations, Muslims are not integrated into the community in general. Children attend the Madrases (Muslim schools), where only studied the Koran.
    Even relate to an infidel is a crime punishable by death. Therefore, in some areas of certain Nations, magnets and Muslim extremists exercise more power than that the national average penetration of the population might indicate.
    One thousand five hundred million Muslims today represent 22% of the world’s population.
    But his birth rate Eclipse to the Christian, Hindu, Buddhist, Jews and all believers.
    Muslims exceed 50% of the population of the world at the end of this century.
    This is the future that awaits you in the world not to be that raise awareness and leave live only between them and their countries enjoying their “culture”. Not contributed anything to humanity in the last 100 years and don’t see any reason it begin to do now.

    • Denniso

      We’re all animals….

  • Mark Are

    The guy who wrote this is living in lala land. He thinks Oz is real and worships him without hesitation. If anyone still believes that Osama Bin Laden had anything to do with 9/11 they simply have not made an effort to seek out the truth of 9/11. Mr. Myers may be part of the problem of the world…frankly he sounds like a PSYCHOPATH trying to rationalize the murder of thousands or hundreds of thousands of innocent men woman and children for the acts of 9/11 which were perpetrated by CRIMINALS not foreign governments.

    • FreedomFighter

      If you go to war, go to win.

      Populations that support or aid the enemy are by definition legal targets. If such populations reject the enemy, such targeting can be negated. Remember 9/11 when they killed non-combatents, they the enemy showed plainly they agree.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

      • Denniso

        Freedom…so you want America to sink to the low moral level of the suicide bombers? Doesn’t that then make us as immoral as them and rather unchristian at the same time? Peace…

        • FreedomFighter

          No respect for fanatics that plot our deaths on a daily basis. Being Christian is not a stupid suicide death pact granted to Muslim psychopaths.

          Laus Deo
          Semper Fi

          • Denniso

            We’re talking about incinerating hundreds of thousands of civilians in the process of nuking the Taliban. That’s the problem w/ widespread,indiscriminate bombing,especially w/ N weapons. It’s not the suicide bombers that we should worry about but the innocents that would be ‘collateral’ damage. You can’t murder innocent women and children in cold blood and call yourselves any better or more moral than the suicide bombers who attack civilians intentionally.

          • Mary Poppins

            That is the price that is paid in the terrorist kind of “urban warfare”. Better them than me. Innocent deaths are the product of terrorists, whether Muslim fanatics or not. Don’t worry about the suicide bombers? Really? Collateral damages is just a byproduct of the war on terrorism, it is not murder. Tell that to the terrorists and they’ll cut your head off.

          • Denniso

            You misunderstood me…I mean that any military action by a moral country has to be concerned about targeting innocents. The enemy itself is fair game,of course.

  • Stephen Russell

    Id target Pakistan since the ISI created the Taliban group for combat in the area.
    Or use Blockbuster bombs alone by 40 C130s?
    Do some real damage not cosmetic damage.
    Blast hillsides with Blockbuster bombs.

    • Paul R

      Good plan, that might deter them from causing any more problems, except these people have never gotten over the christian and muslim war. They live to die another day with a bomb vest strapped on them. I am surprised that they haven`t done that in America yet, with our government not protecting our borders. Jim Morrison said it best,” I plan to get my kicks before the whole s**t house goes up in flames!!!”

  • Dee

    Since they say the Afgan war is unwinable, they should bring our troops home and put them down on the border to defend our own border
    from the invasion of the illegal immigrants.

  • Johnny

    CA.is home to countless individuals and groups that ran away, dropped out or got high to escape from problems, difficulties, wars, drought, famines, etc instead of staying the course. At times this is a workable strategy but it’s still a retreat not a victory. Bravo TX.

  • mavis

    You all have forgotten the most important thing in this world, ALL MIGHTY GOD AND HIS SON JESUS CHRIST, when you have repented and confessed your sins and ask Jesus to come into your heart and ask him to save your soul and truly mean it. No muslim,no dictator,no president will
    ever be able to snatch you from JESUS’ HANDS. PRAISE BE TO GOD AND JESUS OUR SAVIOR FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!!
    mehpensacola,fl

  • http://yahoo.com William Osborne Sr.

    I couldn’t agree more with the idea that we should have nuked them nine years ago. But now it’s only time now before obama and his cohorts from the middle east take over this country. No one wants to stop it, they just want to talk while the damn liberals, homosexuals, democrats and cowards take over this country. So have at it, I’m ready, are you?

  • http://yahoo.com William Osborne Sr.

    Only one thing to say, my family and I have been ready since obama took office, it’s not hard to see what his plans are! ARMED? You better believe it with the best, we made sure of that back in 2008! Viet Nam veteran, retired Police Officer, for years as a penitentiary guard, yeah I think I can handle a weapon!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • http://yahoo.com William Osborne Sr.

    The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.
    Thomas Jefferson

  • http://yahoo.com William Osborne Sr.

    The problem is that if you study WWII you’ll find that Hitler did almost the exact same thing that obama is doing. The morals of this country has fell to no prayers in school, less and less descriptions that show God and Jesus Christ anywhere. obama is splitting this country wide open, it’s coming down to a revolution of Americans who say no to all these policies that go against everything that America once stood for. He talked about change, but he never said what kind, well-this is your change. Wall to wall Muslims invading our country turning it into the middle east and when they get strong enough, they will then turn America into a bloodbath. Obama will not in anyway admit that he is wrong in his actions when it comes to these ideas of becoming friends with Cuba, Russia, Iran, Pakistan, etc., he accepts what they want and turns his back on America, leaving us wide open for attack and the vulnerability of complete annilation. If you can’t see what he is doing, then you are what I call a sheep. He is the wolf and the Americans that want to stop him are called sheepdogs(they are the protectors). Wake up America, we are being invaded by a foreign power from within, not trying to invade our shores with guns, but getting into America, becoming strong by recruiting and then eventually taking over and the worst part is that our President, Czars, Congress with most of the Democrats are allowing it to happen. How can I convince you that how many times has it been said that America will be defeated from within, not attacked on our shores from any foreign power?

  • atlas reborn

    if you dropped in the poppies and wipe out all the drugs and contaminate the ground you will have done a service to all.

  • James

    The United States became militarily involved in the Middle East because Israel wanted our protection, and we’ll be there as long as Israel wants that. Our foreign aid to Israel is now almost $4 billion per year, and growing, while more and more Americans are losing their jobs and suffering.

  • Bad Cyborg

    Mr. Meyers,
    Are you out of your mind!?!?!? NUKE Al Qaida?? I can see a fuel-air explosive or one of those tunnel/cave busting devices sent down the entrance of their hidey-hole, but a NUKE?? For goodness’ sake, man! Don’t you realize that in most people’s minds killing a dozen people with a nuke is many orders of magnitude WORSE than immolating a THOUSAND with napalm?

    Besides, the present administration does not WANT Bin Laden dead. They LIKE him. He is helping them take over our country.

    Bad Cyborg X%er
    “People who jump to conclusions seldom stick the landing.”

  • GaryTraditionalUltraConservative

    Actually the one nation that is long over due to be nuked back to the Stone Age is Iran. Afghanistan could very easily be purged of all terrorists and the Taliban could be vanquished with the help of a free thinking and a free acting Afghan people without the Taliban who are simply a corrupt and criminal gang of thugs using Islam as a stealthy religious illusion, mirage, camouflage, smoke screen, cloak, disguise, deception, distraction and facade to hide the true criminal psychopathic criminal behavior and intentions of the Afghan criminal element who dominate and control by bloody violence and pseudo-Islam religious terror intimidation, very similar to the Sicilian Mafia or Cosa Nostra thugs, mobsters and gangsters both in Sicily and in the United States who hide behind the so called “Thou Shalt Not Kill” and “An Eye For An Eye” religious cloak of the Roman Catholic Religion for the explicit and sole puropse of being able to jusify their own psychopathic criminal behavior. It is a myth that the Afghan people were never defeated and were never conquered. Alexander The Great and the Ancient Macedonian Army, the Ephthalite Huns or White Huns, the Muslim led Arabs of the 7th and 8th Centuries A.D., a multitude of Central Asian Turkic Tribal Peoples, the Genghiz Khanite Mongols and Tamerlane and his Turco-Mongol Army all totally defeated and conquered and subjugated and occupied all of Afghanistan and most of Western Central Asian and all of Iran. The 40 feet tall pyramids of hundreds of thousands of severed human heads, composed of the urban or city populations of Afghan men, women and children, that were constructed on the Imperial orders of Genghiz Khan and later Tamerlane make the Stalinist Political Purges of the 1930s Soviet Union and the “1980s Killing Fields of Cambodia” look like a food fight in a modern day high school cafeteria. Only the Afghan tribal people in the mountains have retained their original Afghan gene pools(Mountain Pastuns) fully intact and most of the other Afghan peoples are a mixture of both the original urban city dweller Afghans and their Greek, Macedonian, Hunnic, Arabic, Turkic, Genghiz Khanite Mongol and Tamerlane’s Timurid Turco-Mongol conquerors and occupiers and enslavers. Without a militarily potent Iran, Afghanistan could be invaded and pacified within a few months or approximately one year and two years at most. Iran is far more dangerous than Afghanistan could ever be. Eventually, the Western World will need to ask the average regular plain oridinay Middle Class Iranian Man and Women this exact same question that was presented to the Japanese people of Japan in the last few days before Hiroshima was bombed with the worlds first successful nuclear(atomic) bomb: Are you the regular ordinary Iranian Man, Women and Child worth saving for the benefit of the World or are you the regular ordinary Iranian Man, Women and Child worth more to be sacrificed on the World Altar Of Peace for a sustainable peace at least in that part of the world that is populated by Iranian people both in Iran and also in neighboring Outer Iran(Afghanisatan, Azerbaijan, Kurdistan, etc.,etc.)? If the Imperial Japanese Government had not been given the green light by Emperor Hirohito to accept the Unconditional Surrender Terms as dictated, demanded and offered to the Japanese People, the Western Allies would have very easily decided to sacrifice all of Japan and sacrifice the entire population of Japan by using atomic bombs to totally obliterate and to completely exterminate all organized armed resistance by the Japanese people in Japan to quickly end the madness and mass killing of World War II and save the lives of hundreds of thousands of Allied Military Fighting Men and Women and to save the lives of hundreds of thousands if not millions of lives of Chinese, Vietnamese, Thai, Cambodian, Burmese, Indonesian and Korean civilians. A Soviet invasion and occupation of the Northern Half Of Japan in the last few days of World War II would have meant a communist North Japan and a Japan Home Islands War anti-communist aggression “police action” instead of a Korean War anti-communist aggression “police action” which was prevented by dropping both the atomic bombs on both Hiroshima and Nagasaki with more nuclear bombs stockpiled and ready for deployment to be dropped on all legitimate Japanese Military targets anywhere within the home islands of Japan if the Imperial Japanese Government Of Japan refused to accept the Unconditional Surrender Terms of the Allies. Afghanistan is small potatoes compared to a nuclear armed Iran. President George W. Bush made a huge colossal strategic blunder by launching a military attack and invasion of Iraq instead of launching a military attack and invasion of Iran. If Iran was invaded and Liberated from the domination and control of the pseudo-Islamic Criminal Psychopathic Fascist Totalitarian Dictator Tyrant Mullahs, Imams and the Supreme Leader Of Iran Grand Ayatollahs, the Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps and the regular national state Iranian Military, then a Free Thinking and a Free Acting Iranian People would finally become full and legitimate members of the Free World with Afghanistan being the next candidate on the list. President George W. Bush should have corrected Iran first followed by correcting Afghanistan with the help of a Liberated and Free Thinking and Free Acting Iranian People of Iran. Pakistan could possibly be Liberated and corrected with the help of India, a Liberated and Free Thinking and Free Acting Afghan People in Afghanistan and a Liberated and Free Thinking and Free Acting Iranian People in Iran. The world could very easily survive, flourish and advance without a Japan after World War II and the world can also very easily survive, flourish and advance without an Iran and without an Afghanistan. The biggest, the most dangerous and the most horrible threat from a nuclear armed Iran and a very unstable nuclear armed Pakistan is the very real threat of both a nuclear armed Iran and a nuclear armed Pakistan either directly or indirectly providing small suitcase nuclear bombs or small car trunk nuclear bombs smuggled in and planted and detonated by Islamic Terrorists anywhere within a very densely populated U.S. American City along with the additional very dangerous and very lethal drifting nuclear fallout contamination long after the small nuclear bomb exposive devices were detonated anywhere within any U.S. American City.

    • GaryTraditionalUltraConservative

      Just a brief follow up. It really seems to boil down to the simple question that should be presented and addressed to the average regular plain ordinary Iranian people or Persian people in Iran and that question is: Is the Free World better off with a nuclear armed Iran or is the Free World better off without a nuclear armed Iran? Or to be more blunt and more to the point: Is the Free World better off with Living Iranian people or is the Free World better off with a Dead Iranian people? A very brutal and yet a very necessary and vital question that the Free World will need to ask the average regular plain ordinary Iranian people in the not too distant future. Does Iran have any value at all to the Free World besides a few barrels of oil that will eventually run out if oil does not become obsolete by other new sources of fuel in the not too distant future? I’m not Jewish however I can understand that the Jews of Israel will eventually need to decide who will survive. Iran or Israel? Jews or Iranians(Persians)? It all boils down to either kill or instead be killed. Unfortunately without a proper education based on a totally objective and a totally impartial truth and an unbiased and non-prejudiced truth that is always continuously very thoroughly, very critically, very intensely and very comprehensively tested and then repeatedly tested again and again, the Law Of The Jungle Will Always Prevail. Of course History will repeat itself again and again for those who do not learn from the mistakes that have been made in the past and then fail to learn how to avoid making those same mistakes or very similar mistakes in the future and then again fail to avoid substituting one mistake for a different mistake.

  • ISAMU NAKAO

    HUSSEIN OBAMA PUT TIME TABLE IN ENDING TROOPS AND WAR BUT THERE IS NO TIME TABLE FOR JOBS AND ECONOMY FOR HIM. WHAT A DING DONG.

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