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ADL: Court Ruling On Crosses Reaffirms U.S. Constitution

August 25, 2010 by  

ADL: Court ruling on crosses reaffirms U.S. Constitution A Colorado judge has ruled that crosses that memorialize fallen Utah Highway Patrol officers and that are erected on public land are unconstitutional.

The case was brought by a group called American Atheists, which argued that crosses are a Christian religious symbol — not a generic symbol representing death — and as such they violate the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment, which mandates a separation of church and state.

The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) was among those who praised the ruling, with its interim regional director Nina Simone Grotch saying that "we are pleased that the court reaffirmed the common-sense notion that a cross is a religious symbol and found that, as a consequence, its display on public land with an official seal by the state of Utah was unconstitutional."

She added that she hoped that the Utah Highway Patrol Association, which placed the crosses, will find "a more fitting symbol to honor their sacrifice."

However, The American Defense Fund, a coalition of Christian attorneys, is said to be considering an appeal, which could go as far as the Supreme Court, according to Fox News.ADNFCR-1961-ID-19928804-ADNFCR

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  • s c

    The way America is headed, it won’t be long before Uncle Scam gets bold enough to tell church members what they can and can’t say and do in church. As a matter of fact, Nancy Pelosi doesn’t hesitate to parrot that insanity.
    I sympathize with the Utah Highway Patrol and all family members of those who died while on duty. This is what we can expect from now on from Uncle Scam and his ‘constitutional protectors.’
    It is inevitable that Uncle Scam will, when it’s ‘convenient,’ make his move. The old fart will prove to America that the so-called separation of church and state is a whimsical ‘state of mind’ and that since HE makes all the rules, America’s churches must bow to his enlightened ways and his
    ‘benign’ omnipotence.

    • JeffH

      I’ll remind that the O’man is upholding one campaign promise…to bring “fundamental change” to America if he where elected.
      Well folks, I hope you’re all proud of this transformation taking place in the good ole US of A. I’d even bet that you all thought his idea of change was for politics in DC with both a fiscally responsible Federal government and elected representative who would use common sense while staunchly upholding our Constitution. Little did we know that the little progressive disease would infect the very traditions that were instumental in the building of this great nation.

      Never, in most Americans wildest dreams did you think, not even for one moment, that what President Obama actually had in mind, was in fact a radical shift in everything our country and Constitution stands for by leading all of us down a path of Marxist/Socialist/communist policies that historically has been repeatedly proven as oppressive and has always failed.

      The American Dream has now become just a Bad Dream and a lot of wonderful memories.

      The time for discussion is over fellow Americans. Either sh#t or get off the pot. Bet your a$$ that change is in the air and I’m placing my bets on the American Patriots, not the Marxist/socialist/communist progressives, to stand tall when the smoke clears.

      • JeffH

        When I see a cross, marker or even flowers on the side of a road or highway a moment of sadness comes over me because I realize that someone has lost loved ones and that someone probably died. Obviously some don’t give a hoot. Where is all that love and compassion that some of these people so staunchly preach about. I’ve always thought they were full of themselves and something like this ruling just reinforces that thought.

        • libertytrain

          JeffH – when I read this article I got to thinking about all the crosses at all the Veteran Cemeteries here, like Arlington National Cemetery (in this country you get your choice of faith emblems on your stone), and those throughout Europe – that hold our soldiers remains – and these in Europe are marked with a simple white cross – does this mean that all those crosses have to be removed because of religious implications? So confusing – whatever are judges thinking or not thinking these days?

          • William

            libertytrain most of the judges dont think, they react. and it’s apparent this judge reacted. he didn’t think. and he hasn’t read the constitution. if he had he would not have made the STUPID decision he made. dearheart get a copy of the constitution and read it. the constitution says nothing at all about seperation of church and state. it does say the state shall make no rules governing the church,

          • libertytrain

            not to worry, I do have a copy of the Constitution – apparently the judges these days do not.

          • GenEarly

            What a wonderful idea for an obama stimulus program ! Getting rid of all the crosses and stars on all the veterans graves world wide ! That’s a lot of WORK and stimulus too. And Tony will be first in line because he doesn’t want to offend the religion of peace that cuts off peoples heads or stones them to death (all for their own good of course)

          • libertytrain

            GenEarly – more stimulating the economy – bring all those soldiers home to rest in their own country -

          • J.M.R.

            IF THE CROSSES ARE ON PRIVATE LAND WHERE DOES THIS COMMIE JUDGE GET OFF THATS IT ILLEGAL. CAN ANYONE ANSWER THIS FOR ME

          • J.M.R.

            SORRY I MISS RAD THE THE LAND AREA

          • Francine

            And what of the symbolism of the Mosque two short blocks from Ground Zero? Does that building NOT represent – IN GLARING GOLD – the muslum religion, Islam – purveyors of control & violence – on a public street? Where are the American Atheists in NY? Where is the ADL in NY? This is America – a country built on Christian beliefs and religious diversity. How is it okay to build a mosque – but not display a cross? We can’t display the Ten Commandments in a public courthouse or wish someone Merry Christmas – but we can have muslims lay down in airports to pray twice a day?
            Americans really need to get over their obsession with political correctness before the Christian beliefs we hold dear in this country are totally banned and forbidden – so as not to offend anyone who thinks differently. Has nobody from this generation read “Atlas Shrugged”, “1984″, “Animal Farm”?
            Perhaps those books have been removed from our libraries and schools? Why not? They might offend some jihad-crazed, hate-filled whacko?
            I have never felt so absolutely lied to and deceived by a presidential candidate as I have by the man called Mr.Obama – the Pied Piper of Washington, DC.
            I can’t wait two years for the elections to clean house. I say we demand impeachment – NOW! We can’t afford to wait any longer – our country is already financially and morally bankrupt! And it’s picking up speed dramatically as it heads straight to hell in a hand basket!

        • Bruce D.

          Actually Jeffh I do not like the crosses and the flowers at the roadside where someone has died. It creepy but I know that is my problem. But I think others are offended by Christianity and crosses remind them of that. I do not understand how any Christian can be a democrat with their onslaught against religion and its symbols.

          • slickporsche

            You should be creaped out by the attack on Christianity, and lack of it. Only Christianity can give you salvation. A cross is a symble of Christs sacrifice for us,so that we may have another chance, and not be destroyed by our god, as he intended to do a second time. It is also symble of peace and life after death, something to help the ones left behind by the deceased.

          • Bruce D.

            Actually Sickporshe I am a little creeped out by you. I do not like people telling me what I should believe and what I shouldn’t believe whether I agree with them or not. Am I to assume you are the great authority whose viewpoints on religion all should follow.

          • 45caliber

            Bruce:
            Actually there is a difference. slick said that you SHOULD believe; he didn’t say you HAVE to believe as the Muslims do in most areas where they live. Even the Crusaders, whom the Muslims still hate, didn’t insist on that. If you don’t want to believe, don’t. But if it creeps you out to be told what you should do, you are in for some serious creepiness when Oblama gets through telling you whatever else you HAVE to do.

          • vicki

            You know there are a whole lot of telephone poles that look just like a cross. Gonna have to take all them down too?

          • J. Murphy

            Hi Bruce D.

            I understand how crosses & flowers at the side of the road can be a little creepy. It reminds us of death. When you see something like this, remember that whoever died there was protecting someone from evil. This is a good thing. Just thank God for good people when you see one.

            As far as Democrats go, not all are selfish hypocritical a-holes. Many believe in Christianity & the love of God. Please don’t pass judgement on many for the idiocy of a few. And no, I’m not a democrat.

            This judge should have thrown the case out of court. Since atheists believe in nothing, then what they say is nothing. Hence, they aren’t there. They don’t believe in God, so we don’t believe in them.

          • J. Murphy

            Hi Bruce D.

            I understand how crosses & flowers at the side of the road can be a little creepy. It reminds us of death. When you see something like this, remember that whoever died there was protecting someone from evil. This is a good thing. Just thank God for good people when you see one.

            As far as Democrats go, not all are selfish hypocritical a-holes. Many believe in Christianity & the love of God. Please don’t pass judgement on many for the idiocy of a few. And no, I’m not a democrat.

            This judge should have thrown the case out of court

          • kate8

            Actually, the cross symbol was around long before Christianity, and has had different meanings to different cultures.

            The cross is a symbol of life, and of man. It never was a Christian symbol until Constantine saw the “cross in the heavens”, and made it the Christian symbol.

            This government’s war on Christianity is frightening. They know that Christianity is the only thing really standing in the way of completing their agenda.

        • rose tripp

          God is love, therefore the atheists do not recognize this fruit of the spirit.

          • vicki

            God, as viewed by Christians, is love. I am not so certain of the Muslim view of God (They pronounce the name as Allah).

          • J. Murphy

            Vicki,

            You’re right, our God is love personified. If you google “definition of Allah” you’d be surprised. You would think you just read a description of our “God”. The problem is Islam, Sharia Law & all the hate Muslims have for Christians. This tells me they are not following the teachings of their Allah. Period.

            Obama has decimated this country in so many ways it makes me ill. This country has always had Christian symbols in schools, on our money, for our military that have died for our freedom, etc. To say this is not PC is so much crap. I suggest you make your beliefs known to Senators, Congressmen & the white house.

            As far as atheists are concerned, they don’t believe in God, therefore I don’t believe in them. Totally non-existent. We know better & so will these morons when they die. We have the upper hand.

            God Bless you all & God Bless America

        • 45caliber

          Originally the idea was that the cross was put up because it was the belief of the person who died. That is why crosses are put up at Arlington National Cemetary. But the athiests are insisting it is to push religion and therefore must come down. The courts are letting them do to PC. They insist the crosses annoy them. Well, it annoys me that they don’t want anyone to preserve a memory of their dead by using them. Guess who the courts believe should be humored first?

          • http://PersonalLibertyDigest#respomd RubyH

            If the crosses represents a Religion and the Dem-supporters object to it, then so does the Mosque, that they want their imam to build at groung zero, and I, and thousands of other “American Citizens” in this country object to it: (So go to mates),let us play tit-for-tat. NO crosses, No mosques!!

      • slickporsche

        That can only mean a revolution, which scares most to death. However it will take a revolution to remove the Political grip on our republic. Voting has proven to be a silly idea and give the power to the ones in control and not to the people. It is really a time for change and when the smoke clears, there will be a new government in place, that operates by the people and for the people. It will also be guided by our bill of rights,and the constitution. Let the fighting begin!!!

        • WallStreet

          If you’re so hot on following the Constitution, just what do you not understand about Separation of Church and State? That’s part of the Constitution, and an important part. It was put there so we would not have a nation which was run by puppets of ANY religion. Remember why the pilgrims came here? RELIGIOUS FREEDOM. Do you believe in that or not? You are welcome to believe any religious philosophy you wish, but you are not welcome to require anyone else to believe that way. So it goes for all of us in the United States of America.

          • 45caliber

            WallStreet:
            Go read the Constitution. THERE IS NO SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE IN IT. It simply says that the government has no right to interfere with any religion. Religion can interfere with government all they want to – as long as they let the other religions alone.

          • vicki

            It (The Constitution) says, and I quote
            “CONGRESS shall make no law..” Where is there a “separation of church and state?”

            The Utah Highway Patrol Association appears to be a state agency but as such still is not the Congress of the United States.
            http://www.utahtrooper.com/

            First Amendment to the US Constitution reads in part:
            “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;”
            http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#Am1

            For those able to read please observe the statement after the comma.
            “or prohibiting the free exercise thereof” So even if the First Amendment were to be fully enforceable on the states, (Which many claim) the State may NOT prohibit the free exercise thereof and if people in the government should wish to place crosses they are allowed to do so by the very amendment that the ADL claims denies them the right to do so.

            Such is why people think that liberalism is a mental disorder.

          • Mai Ling Allen

            The 1st Amendment of the constitution says: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.”

            The judge should note the last part of that phrase – for he is “prohibiting the free exercise thereof” in this case. According to the constitution – the government cannot mandate that crosses (or other religious symbols) be erected, but neither can it prohibit the free expression of those symbols.

            Too many people have heard the non-constitutional phrase “separation of church and state” but have never bothered to read what the constitution actually says.;

          • Robert E. Russell

            I wish someone could/would show exactly where in the Constitution this “Separation” of the Church and State exists. Is this reference actually that of not allowing our government to tell us which religion we are to follow?
            I cannot conceive how to arrive at such a conclusion as this so-called “Separation” from that which is actually a prohibition on the government and a protection for the people’s rights to worship as their conscience dictates.
            roberte

        • WallStreet

          PS: Any “new government” which emerges from the smoke will still not represent you. It will only cater to my group of the top 2% of earners as the good old GOP does today and has done for many decades. And any “new government” will still have politicians who are and always will be (endemic to the breed) greedy and power hungry. Why don’t we just leave the running of America to business people like me who have the brains, money and connections to get the most we can out of this country and not worry about you. After all, are you important? Can you compete in my world? I doubt it.

          • 45caliber

            Many of us can compete in your world and do. You are simply another form of self-decided “elite”. Anyone who insists he is better than I am – unless he can prove it – needs to be taught otherwise. That attitude doesn’t do it. And you are probably right about the new politicians following the footprints of the old ones … but not right away. They would have what happened to the old ones as an example of what NOT to follow. So we could get the government to work right for awhile, just as the one we have now worked right for almost a hundred years.

          • Patrick D.

            Liberal swine. Jackass.

          • kate8

            45, Something tells me that WallStreet is a plant.

            Just a feeling.

          • Lubo

            Wallstreet…..I would think most anyone could compete with you given the fact that you seem to be a self-appointed “Expert” in religious and constitutional matters but your comments indicate otherwise.

            I also very seriuosly doubt that you are a successful business person that falls within the top 2% of wage earners in this country. Now, I personally could care less one way or the other. It really has no meaning to me.

            Most “Professional” folks mind their own business expecially when it comes to wealth and financial issues. The concern of either of the aforemention issues, as it relates to another fellow American, belongs to the “Progressives” not conservatives or libertarians.

            In closing, based upon your comments, I am certain you are nothing more that a “Progressive” hack disguised as a “Republican”. Independent thinking folks like me can see right through you, so stop wasting our time.

          • libertytrain

            “kate8 says:
            August 25, 2010 at 11:43 pm (Edit)
            45, Something tells me that WallStreet is a plant.
            Just a feeling.”
            It is kind of funny how some stick out – and it seems they are continually being replaced. Each go for a few weeks, then a “new” one – I still think they all work in the WH basement.

          • JeffH

            liberytrain, my thoughts exactly.

          • libertytrain

            JeffH – perhaps they too, are part of the “stimulus” program. At least they have jobs now.

          • Brian

            I hear a paper tiger.

      • blv54

        why is it that christians don’t take to the streets over the lose of all our rights, isn’t the cause of christ worth taking up for? where is everybody all hiding out in the churchs? I’m a christian but I just have to say christians as a whole have turned into a bunch of cowards islam will be coming in to fill the vacuum then everyone will worship the rock or lose there head.

      • Patrick D.

        Jeff H.
        On the contrary, I did indeed have an idea that this is what he meant by fundemental change for our country. He was as transparent then as he is now…to me. I remember in 1992, I had the same fear of clinton as I did for obama. Their both socialist commies. And I tried to discredit this jr. fool to as many people as I could, to little effect. I hope we’ve learned our lesson now…

        • http://gunner689 gunner689

          It’s time to emphasise the 10th Ammendment. It clearly spells out the rights of the Federal and State gvts. It’s time that we demand and elect state legislators who will tell the Feds to go pound salt. The Feds can keep their highway funds and the States can stop sending our tax money to DC. Stronger States and individual powers and a weaker Fed. is what this country needs. If all the libs moved to Blue States and the consevatives moved to Red States which do you think would be bankrupt first?

      • J. Murphy

        JeffH.

        Dude, you ROCK. Couldn’t have said that better myself. Have you been emailing Senators, Congressmen & the white house?? I have. The more people that make it known that we will no longer take this BS from Obama & his administration of Czars, the more control we’ll get.

        Also, you may want to read a lot of the articles on Gabriel’s Trumpet site. This will scare you half to death. And Open Congress is another good one. Has all the proposed bills going before congress. Like nearly 4000. You can make comments & vote on the bills.

        I hope people are listening to what you’ve said, because this is so true. People, start speaking out to the idiots that are supposed to represent us & make it known they are doing a lousy job. They will be fired the first chance we get!!! Like in November.

        • JeffH

          J. Murphy, I’m quite sure the WH and my representatives know that I exist. I’ve signed petitions, called and sent hundreds of emails and will continue to do so.

        • http://Bandit J Taylor

          J.Murphy, agree with you. But let’s get it straight, I’ve been around for a long time and I have seen first hand what has been going on in our Government. Maybe you won’t agree with me, but as far as I am concerned, “I don’t care what your politics are”, they are all the same. And all in bed together !

      • J. Murphy

        JeffH.

        Dude, you ROCK. Couldn’t have said that better myself. Have you been emailing Senators, Congressmen & the white house?? I have. The more people that make it known that we will no longer take this BS from Obama & his administration of Czars, the more control we’ll get.

        Also, you may want to read a lot of the articles on Gabriel’s Trumpet site. This will scare you half to death. And Open Congress is another good one. Has all the proposed bills. You can make comments & vote on the bills.

        I hope people are listening to what you’ve said, because this is so true. People, start speaking out to the idiots that are supposed to represent us & make it known they are doing a lousy job. They will be fired the first chance we get!!! Like in November.

      • J. Murphy

        JeffH.

        Dude, you ROCK. Couldn’t have said that better myself. Have you been emailing Senators, Congressmen & the white house?? I have. The more people that make it known that we will no longer take this BS from Obama & his administration of Czars, the more control we’ll get.

        Also, you may want to read a lot of the articles on Gabriel’s Trumpet site. This will scare you half to death.

        I hope people are listening to what you’ve said, because this is so true. People, start speaking out to the idiots that are supposed to represent us & make it known they are doing a lousy job. They will be fired the first chance we get!!! Like in November.

    • Warrior

      I think the Utah HWY Patrol should issue an all points bulletin to pick up the “Grotch”. Tell us “Grotch” what is a more appropriate symbol? Unbelievable!!!!!!!!!!!

      • Christin

        Warrior, what symbol is a “grotch” or shouldn’t I ask?

    • http://personallibertydigest robert williams

      sc the gov is already trying to tell the Churches they cant preach against fag,s and Dikes lesbens And Bysectuals nor against terrest,s such as Muslem,s Even though the Feds Know Muslems are Terrest,s.

    • sylvester

      The first Amendment did not establish the separation of Church and State. It said Congress will not favor one Christian organization over another, and thats all.

      • Bruce D.

        The Constitution say Congress can pass no law but judges seem to assume there are all these laws prohibiting freedom of religion in public areas.

        • http://Bandit J Taylor

          Bruce remember… Judges are nothing more than glorified lawyers. And when they put that robe on they think they are GOD.

      • hflashman

        Really? Where does it say “Christian”? Talk about ‘strict constructionist”…jeesh.

        So the government gives all religons equal treatment. you really want Krishnas and extremist cults being given government monies and aid in the same percentages and amounts as your so-called “christian” faith based organizations? Seriously?

        You happy about that?

        • 45caliber

          As far as I know, they are. The only Christian groups that get government money are things like Christian based help groups for the poor and homeless. And ANY group can qualify for that if they can prove that is where the money is going. Heck, even Jones could get it until they found that a lot of that money was sticking to his fingers.

        • blv54

          no churchs of any kind should be taking money from the government, that gives government a say about what the church does and I say shame on all those 501c3 churchs, taking favors from government is a violation of the so called church and state which their so adament about yet government violets it’s own law when giving 501c3 status and then the church is blackmailed by government who threatens to take away the tax exemption if they don’t do things the government way.

          • kate8

            blv54, Liberalism is as much a religion as any other. They are the religion of “humanism”. Yet they get tons of money from the government.

            Conservatism gets no funding.

        • http://Bandit J Taylor

          Who says that the Government “gives” to Christian based organizations. That’s a new one on me!

          • http://PersonalLibertyDigest#respomd RubyH

            Right On J, Christian churches are not funded by any government. The membership funds their own churches. and the government get their pounc from those members before they even recieve their pay checks or wages from their jobs. The government has no right to tax a christian church organization.

    • http://timodonnell.us Tim

      The move to outlaw any religious belief has already begun. With the help of the current administration the time line has been accelerated.

      • WallStreet

        Get real. Apparently you haven’t a brain with which to listen to all sides and decide what is right. I know what I believe because I do listen to all sides. Stop being such an extremist. And BTW how would you feel if the muslim faith was predominant in this country of religious freedom and they were trashing and lying about Christianity? I’m just saying … doesn’t the Bible say we are to do unto others as we would have them do unto us? People tend to forget that. WWJD???!!!

        • JeffH

          WallStreet, having read just three of your posted comments it is easy to discern just how arrogant and full of yourself you are. I wouldn’t let you run my bathwater let alone any part of this country. It’s easy to see with a comment like: ” Why don’t we just leave the running of America to business people like me who have the brains, money and connections to get the most we can out of this country and not worry about you. After all, are you important? Can you compete in my world? I doubt it.”

          Your response to Tim who voiced his opinion that “The move to outlaw any religious belief has already begun. With the help of the current administration the time line has been accelerated.” was “Get real. Apparently you haven’t a brain with which to listen to all sides and decide what is right. I know what I believe because I do listen to all sides. Stop being such an extremist. And BTW how would you feel if the muslim faith was predominant in this country of religious freedom and they were trashing and lying about Christianity?”

          You need to “GET REAL”. Do you really listen to both sides or do you just spout off your big mouth because you enjoy listening to yourself?

          • kate8

            JeffH, I don’t believe WallStreet is at all who he claims to be. It just doesn’t add up.

          • Lubo

            T Kate 8……Correct, Wallstreet is a progressive hack, no more and no less.

        • 45caliber

          WallStreet:
          You asked WWJD. He said to sell your cloak if needed and go out and buy a sword to defend yourself.

    • http://Yahoo Ann

      It seems strange that the Muslins can almost close off the street only blocks from the site of the World Trade Center, but there is a problem with crosses along the highway marking a death.

      • WallStreet

        No one closed of the street. Were you there?

        • JeffH

          Liberal fool!

        • 45caliber

          They close off the street every time they hold a prayer service and run out of space inside. Were you there?

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      They already do. A church, unless it’s black or muslim, can lose it’s tax exempt status if they discuss politics.

      • 45caliber

        ” … unless it is black or muslim …”

        You hit the nail on the head there!

    • 45caliber

      s c:

      When Waco was raided due to the Branch Davidians, it was pointed out that the government had no say in religion and what was right or not. The government spokesperson at the time stated that they could not raid or intimidate “religions” but that didn’t include “cults”. They could do what they wanted with them. When asked who made the determination what was a religion and what was a cult, he replied, “We do.”

      • hflashman

        Every religion is a cult by the definition of the dictionary. Davidians were accused of child molesting and crimes not associated with religion.

        • Lubo

          hflasman…….and then they sent in the jack-booted THUGS and KILLED them! Boy that makes sense to me!

          • http://Bandit J Taylor

            The ‘Thugs” didn’t kill them, they killedd themselves.

        • kate8

          flash, and you just took their word for it.

          After all, the government would never lie to justift its actions.

    • Jeryl

      Actually, that line has already been crossed. Pastors are legally bound not to endorse individual political candidates from the pulpit. If the Leftists have their way, it will soon become illegal to preach against homosexuality.

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        As I said earlier, they can as long as they’re a Black or Muslim church. No one ingvt. has the balls to stand up to them. The rules are diffrent when you’re a Demorat.

    • Peter

      Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups. Look toward the skies my friends. The sky is not falling, but the sun is becoming more active. It may not be long at all before we all have to fend for ourselves. Keep some powder dry. Cryptic I know, but those who think for themselves will know what I mean. Loony atheists will not.

    • PATRIOTIC INFIDEL

      I DO NOT SEE THE PROBLEM WITH ERECTING CROSSES FOR THE FALLEN OFFICERS! IF THEIR SURVIVING FAMILY MEMBERS AGREE WITH THE PLACEMENT, DESIGN AND INSTALLATION, I DO NOT SEE ANY CONSTITUTIONAL IMPLICATIONS! TO ME THIS WAS NOT A COURT ISSUE……… MORE LIKE A PEOPLE’S VOTE ISSUE! PUT IT TO THE PEOPLE TO VOTE AND TO HELL WITH THE JUDGE! THESE JUDGES HAVE TOO MUCH POWER AND TOO MANY OPINIONS! I BELIEVE THE DECISION WAS BASED MORE ON AVOIDING A BIG EXPENSIVE LEGAL BATTLE WITH THE LIBERAL NUT JOBS AND POSSIBLY FEAR OF REPERCUSSIONS FROM THE PRESENT ADMINISTRATION! THE PLACEMENT OF THE CROSSES IS NOT FORCING YOU TO DO ANYTHING OR ACT IN A CERTAIN WAY…. THEY ARE MERELY A TRIBUTE TO THE OFFICER WHO LOST HIS LIFE IN THE LINE OF DUTY! IF YOU DON’T LIKE THE SYMBOL …. DON’T LOOK AT IT! THESE LIBERALS ARE IDIOTS AND NEED TO BE DEPORTED ALONG WITH ALL THE ILLEGALS! FIRE THEM ALL! I WILL NOT SUBMIT!

  • Claire

    American Athiests brought about the case–wonder who the judge was?

    • hflashman

      The judge was a wise jurist who gave the correct ruling as to seperation of church and state…why ?

      The Cross is a religious symbol, and was used not to denote any of the beliefs of the fallen, but to signify a symbol of state approval for a particular religious influence denoting a death. Any non religious symbol could have been used…a sheriff’s star for example. Nope…some unfeeling person decided to use a religious symbol and give an aura of state approval for that religion … thus the result being the correct ruling.

      I just wish people would keep it personal and quit trying to push thier religous beliefs onto others, and quit trying to turn this Nation into a theocracy.

      • Bob

        I don’t know why you commies are afraid of a cross. When I travel down a highway and see a cross I think of the person that died there, not where he went to church.

        • Bruce D.

          I agree with what you say. I do not think many if any think about religion. People like to make the Constitution say things it does not say. Someone interprets it the way they want to and others follow that interprtation as if they belonged to some mindless cult.

        • http://Bandit J Taylor

          I agree with you Bob. Besides, I believe that it is the family of the deceased who puts those crosses and ‘other’ wreaths to show that they have not forgotten the loved one they lost. And maybe to remind the rest of us drivers to beware, the next one could be theirs.

      • Janet

        Christians have the right to use a cross, to take that away is taking away their liberties. If you don’t like it, don’t look!!

        • Will

          Janet, I fully agree with you. The U.S. was founded upon Christian principles, with Judaism thrown in, and the reason for the “separation” that people talk about is so the state cannot control the Church, or vice-versa. It has been distorted to fulfil people’s needs, or wants.

        • hflashman

          Hey…part of my taxes paid for the property which that religious symbol sits upon. I in no way want the State to give any aura of support or legitimaxcy to ANY religion. And yes, that includes my beliefs.

          What is it about religious zealots who insist they should have their way and have thier religion paramount, and everyone else doesn’t matter?

          Would you have the same opinion if it were the Star of David being used exclusively? Or the Crescent of Islam? Another symbol of Christianity…say the symbol of Satan (which is 100% christian BTW)?

          GET GOVERNMENT OUT OF RELIGION ! It has no reason being involved in any way, shape, or form.

          • GenEarly

            Start chipping that “religious’ stuff off the front of the US Supreme Court too! I just can’t understand how stupid the Founding Fathers and our ignorant fore bearers were. Finally the age of enlightenment of the Obamanation has arrived !! Oh, there’s more chipping to be done at the Jefferson Memorial too! Maybe like in the good old days of the Taliban Rule in Afghanistan we could just dynamite the offending images!

          • libertytrain

            GenEarly – another great comparison – get rid of all that history, artful or not, JUST LIKE THE TALIBAN – why not?

          • Lubo

            hflasman…..you mean you actually work and pay taxes?

          • Dan Burke

            And I don’t the state to use my money for abortions. According to my beliefs that is murder. So where does that leave us? You don’t want crosses because that upsets you. And I don’t want abortions because that upsets me….

            I just read an article where a community is trying to force a church to remove their cross. This isn’t a highway symbolic gesture to fallen officers on public land. This is a private church on private property. This is your future. Now you may be fine with government getting to the point where it restricts all religious symbols from sight. But what if you have a “change of heart” and find yourself yearning for more religion in your life and all around you? You might call it freedom now but if you change your ways you will find it to be oppression. That is where we find ourselves. If we value our freedom of religion then they must defend others freedom of religion too. So if I were driving through a community that instead honored their fallen through erecting shrines to Buddha, should I be offended or respect that?

          • Bruce D.

            Other people pay taxes also that do not share your religious intolerance. The founders that wrote the constitution did not share your religious intolerance. It was meant to protect people of all faith from people of your bent for religious intolerance.

          • Bruce D.

            hflashman your fear of crosses makes you sound like you are some kind of a delusional vampire. Do you only come out at night and have a fear of light?

          • http://gunner689 gunner689

            The real reason that the Ten Commandments aren’t allowed in court houses is because it forbids lying and stealing. That creates a hostile work enviroment for judges and lawyers.

          • Mai Ling Allen

            Hey hflashman,

            what part of the 1st amendment phase of: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof” don’t you understand.

            The Constitutions says the government “CAN NOT PROHIBIT the free exercise” of relgion. But is spite of what the constitution says, the judge here has ruled that the gov’t can prohibit the free exercise of relgion. If you run with that idea – it will mean that the government can also prohibit you exercise of free speech if it does not like what you say, or the freedom to assmeble if it does nto like why you assemble and so forth. When you try to prohibit the freedom of others, you are setting the ground for others to prohibit your own freedoms. Freedom is a double edged sword.

          • http://Bandit J Taylor

            Now you are trying to deny others of their beliefs and religious freedom. Get off your band wagon. You do & believe what you want to believe and the rest of us will do the same.

            Like Janet said, you don’t like it, don’t look ! And “you” are not the only one who’s tax dollars went along side that road. You sound so childish and inmature in your logic!

        • J.M.R.

          JANET YOUR HIT THE NAIL ON HEAD

        • hflashman

          If you don’t like it..then figure out where to put it so it’s not on public property. What’s wrong with that? How about a Crescent…or a wiccan symbol right nest to your precious cross? You ok with that?

          • 45caliber

            flash:

            It is fine with me to have them there instead of a cross … if the person worshipped that. Check Arlington National Cemetary. If you are some other religion and buried there they will put up the symbol of your religion. I’m not sure what the atheist symbol is, however. What do you want put on your grave? Oh, I forgot. You can’t be buried at Arlington, can you?

          • vicki

            I’m fine with that as I do not fear the symbols of other religious beliefs. Not even the “dread” 666. People are far more dangerous then symbols of people.

          • kate8

            flash, How do you feel about taxpayers paying for footbaths, special prayer rooms and time excused for the 5 times a day prayer schedule?

            This is typical liberal pandering. Glorifying the “underdog” and deriding and bashing the majority. It’s their way of recruiting useful idiots.

          • Lubo

            t Kate8……Boy that is an understatement!

          • http://Bandit J Taylor

            Get a life! And let others live theirs as they choose. That public ground belongs to all of us, not just people like you.

      • Christin

        Oh, flashman, shut your yapper.
        Ain’t nobody trying to push nothin’ on you dude.

        Crosses on road sides just sit there.
        Their not MAKING you believe in God, Jesus or the Holy Spirit.
        They are a symbol that EVERYONE recognizes as a death.

        Obviously atheists (there are not so many of them here in America yet) are reminded of their denial of God and the sacrifice Jesus made… the truth probably makes their soul squirm and they have to quick get rid of the symbols so they can continue to not see what their spirit is convicting them of.

        If you chose hell so be it man. Don’t deny anyone else.

        As usual the progressive gov is OVER STEPPING their bounds of the Constitution.

        • 45caliber

          Christin:

          Actually I think that people like flash are frightened that they are wrong about there being no God like they say. Because if they are wrong (and I certainly believe they are) they end up in a place they don’t want to see. I think the real reason they are so determined to prevent us from showing any religion is that they hope by doing so they will either be able to kill God or at least get enough people to go their way that they will have plenty of company.

      • 63rdpatriot

        Don’t worry about him. He’ll have eternity in hell to think about it….

        • hflashman

          Hell is a christian belief. You may go there…you may not. I may go there, i may not. If you’re wrong…then I’ve had a heck of a lot more fun that you have had (without feeling guilty about it :)

          • Lubo

            hflasman….I’m confused? You mean you are a happy and joyful person? You could have fooled me! You seem to be a person that has a lot of pent up anger towards your fellow man. Especially someone who would dare disagree with YOUR opinions. You call that FUN????

            Seems to me you are already serving your sentence!

          • 45caliber

            Perhaps so, flash. But I certainly doubt you’ll have more fun that I do. But I’d much rather believe in God and live a moral life and then find out I’m wrong after I die than I would to not believe in God and find out I was wrong after I die. Eternity is far longer than the “fun” you think you are having now. And if I’m right rather than you, I’ll have fun while you sizzle.

            And, no, I don’t hate you. If anything, it’s contempt.

          • vicki

            Pascal’s wager. Wise choice. :)

      • JC

        Spoken like a true communist. You and your kind of thinking should be eradicated from these United States, a Christian nation that tolerates the right to worship in any way seen fit by all individuals.
        Not good enough for the commies though. They are totalitarian control freaks with zero tolerance for anyone who chooses to step outside their ant hill menatlity.

        • hflashman

          Eradicated? Really? Now there’s a true Christian belief for you. So just because I stand for separation of church and state I’m an atheist? Really? And because I choose to fight the attempts to turn us into a theocracy…i’m a communist? Serious?

          Why doesn’t everyone tell what sect of Christianity they are…right now. Tell it for all to read. Then tell us which guidlines from which sect we should adhere to since one “must’ be right and the others wrong.

          That’s the road you’re asking for. After the ‘eradication’ of those who dare say your reilgion ain’t a concern for the State … we can all have a religious civil war.

          • crystal

            Where in the Constitution does it state “Separation of Church and State.”

          • GenEarly

            What symbol would YOU use? The BIG O from obama? Or a secular Red Star ?
            You can’t and won’t protest the Crescent and Star because the muslims will kill you. And you are a chicken at heart who can only bully the “turn the other cheek” crowd.I only wish I could see your whimpering self on your knees in front of islamic justice, about to lose your head. But alas, if that comes to pass I will be long gone along with the Christians you so despise, so you will be all alone to meet your just deserved fate, INFIDEL !!!

          • Lubo

            Hflasman…As usual, you seem to be a litte bit confused. I think you have the Bible and Christ confused with the koran and the intentions of the nation of islam. Since you make an issue with all the different sects of my Faith, name me how many religious civil wars we have on record, in America, bewteen those sects?

            By the way, latest word on the Mosque is that the Governor has offered up the tax payers money to assist in the construction of the mosque, if they agree to relocate it. How do you “Feel” about that? I say “Feel” because obviously you are incapable of THINKING.

          • Bruce D.

            Why don’t you start it off and let us know where your coming from or are you just against freedom of religion in general with no religious belief of your own with the wish to eradicate all religion from this country.

          • vicki

            Why Hf do you want to give us so much power over you? Should we choose we could march around you and your house and or work all carrying crosses and proclaiming our faith. You say that offends you. Doesn’t that give you full control to NOT be offended? Why would you give us that kind of power over you by your choice to be offended?

          • JC

            Your Church and State argument is so thin as to be non-existent.
            What you’re advocating is “intolerance” period. If a Sherriff’s department wants to honor one of their fallen Christian policemen in a Christian manner, who the hell are you that moron of a judge or anyone else to say it’s wrong?
            Nobody! That’s who.
            Get your intolerant, control freak, communist ass located where it might be appreciated….which is NOT in the USA.

      • thinking

        hflash?
        yes we need to remove all christian symbols. From now on the letter “t” cannot be used as it is a cross use an x insxead and we need to xake oux of xhe dicxionary any words xhax represenx chrisxian words and we need to xake oux any reference xo xhe bible, church and love, as these are all chrisxian xools. hflash? we can win xhis war againsx the real enemy of the world, righx!

        • Christin

          Great come back, thinking.
          You missed “xhese” and a couple “xhe”s, but that’s okay as I like the ‘t.”

        • JC

          What the hell…while we’re at it ~ “Death to adverbs” Yosarrian.

        • independant thinker

          You cannot use x either, it is used to represent Christ in the shortened version of Christmas X-mas.

          • Christin

            No, you can use the X is means CROSS OUT. Using the “X” (as was the case in the olden days) is not a good thing and I DO NOT use it. They used the X in X-Mas for…Christmas… so they DIDN”T HAVE TO WRITE the word “CHRIST.” Take the time to write CHRISTMAS!!!

        • vicki

          Can’t use X. That is a cross too. Oh and capital T and + are outta there.
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_cross

          And this is just some of the Christian religious symbols. There are lots of other religious symbols out there too.

      • Gary

        What is it that all you atheists are afraid of? You do not believe in GOD, so what does it hurt for there to be a religious symbol erected somewhere? If the symbol is erected over or near where someone was killed or where their remains lay it is a reflection of that individuals beliefs, not what they expect you to beleive.

        You may think a man to be a fool to believe in God. Believe me I think you are a fool not to. The differeence is most of us understand that you are free to believe in nothing at all, just as I am free to believe in anything I choose.

        The Constitution promises freedom “OF” religion,not freedom from it. I don’t see how having a cross standing in a field or on the side of the road is pushing you to believe anything. At most it should just remind you that your beliefs whish are shared by some people, are different from the beliefs of many others. I think that it is people like you that have a fundamental misunderstanding of what freedom is.

        You say that you just wish people would just keep it personal. To those individuals the markers represent, it is personal.
        It is about them. It is not about you.

        Personally I wish you all would just shut up and mind your own business.

        • Jim

          Gary,

          You have accurately discerned the issue. IT is personal and their religion is personal. IF they were Jewish a star of david might be placed there. If you are an atheist a circular wire might be placed there symbolizing NOTHING which is what is in an atheist’s head.

          • 45caliber

            Actually Atheism IS a religion. It is even recognized by the government as such. That is one reason I get annoyed with them. They want to eliminate OUR religion to foster their own. And the government is ignoring it.

        • hflashman

          Who said i don’t believe in god? You guys did because….I favor no State intrusion into religion. Or complete equal treatment for ALL religions (then you can harp on how the Krishnas are taking taxpayer funds..or the Protestants being favored over Methodists, or how Catholics get favored treatment)

          Funny how one disagrees with any state aura of authenticity with any religion one is automoatcially cast as a communist, or an atheist, or a muslim etc. Jeesh….this board alone is proof enough to keep religion OUT OF government policy…

          • http://gunner689 gunner689

            Is your God the same one as Karolyn’s ? you know, the one with two heads and right arms. I believe it’s a Hindu thing.

        • wildbill (abn)

          gary
          right on.
          the big mouths should stand in the gas chamber at Dachau and reflect how a hatred of any and all religions set the stage for these extermination camps, not only the jews but christians and non-belivers alike were introduced to xyclon-b gas. they don’t want anyone to judge them for the things they do and the cross convicts them.
          leave me alone and i’ll leave you alone!!!

          • http://Bandit J Taylor

            Well Said. Couldn’t have said it any better myself, or anyone else for that matter.

        • 45caliber

          Gary:

          They SAY they don’t believe a God exists – but I think most secretly fear that there is one and hope by getting everyone else to deny God too that He’ll go away and leave them alone. I really think that they are going to find out how wrong they were. Particularly vocal ones like flash who might turn someone else away from God.

      • http://www.danbagan.com Dan Bagan

        Wasn’t it the Romans that first introduced the cross as a barbaric way of killing someone slowly?

        As a Canadian I watch the news each day and marvel how our countries are positioning themselves for great judgement by the one true God. I’m amazed at what we tolerate in the name of “freedom of religion” when each day the very beliefs and principles that once made North America great are striped beyond the point of recognition.

        We have not even begun to see the fallout that will cause every knee to bow and proclaim Jesus as Lord!

        • http://Bandit J Taylor

          AMEN.

      • crystal

        You’re an ass.

      • http://tynott44@yahoo.com Forrest Turner

        Hi!

        My Teacher is God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost. He is Omnicient, Omnipotent and Omnipresent. What are the qualifications of your teacher(s)?

        Forrest

        • Christin

          I’m with you on that one Forrest.

          I know who hung the stars and gives us life.

        • hflashman

          Your guy calls my guys for advice and direction. How’s that for qualifications? (Prove me wrong)

          • Lubo

            hflashman….”Faith is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not yet seen.”

            Your proof will come and it is unstopable.

            “Who knows the mind of GOD that he may instruct him?”

            Are your saying you do and that you give GOD direction?

            Just curiuos but I would THINK before I put something like that in writing.

          • 45caliber

            flash:
            I haven’t the slightest idea of what or who you are talking about. Go away.

      • American Citizen

        Flashman, who’s forcing you to believe anything at all? We are all free to believe as we will. The crosses are a memorial, not forcing anyone to believe anything other than someone died in the line of duty. We even see them along the side of a road when an ordinary citizen at the point of an auto accident where someone died. It’s a reminder to watch how you drive for one thing.

        As for atheists, they’re trying to force us all to believe as they do, in nothing. But God will have the last word.

        • hflashman

          no one is forcing you to believe in anything ..as long as its not being used on public property or a State purpose. What is so frippin’ hard with understanding that concept? The topic today was a cross on PUBLIC property. Then it denigrated to where everyone wants Christianity to be THE religion of this Nation…i.e. a Theocracy akin to any ME country. Is that what everyone wants?

          Then which sect of Christianity should we have as the one the State approves of?

          I’ve been told to burn in hell for what? Because I don’t want the state meddling in religious affairs and giving an aura of approval to a certain religion?

          You want to worship in your own way with your own beliefs? Fine…go for it. But don’t foist it on me.

          • http://Bandit J Taylor

            Public Property “belongs” to the people of this country, or county, or city. So, if majority rules, your outnumbered in your thoughts and feelings. You can certainly tell what generation YOU come from!

      • JeffH

        This liberal hack speaks the words of a satanist.

        • Lubo

          JeffH….AGREED!

      • slickporsche

        Sorry fool, but this nation was built on Christianity even though you do not like it. It is ok for them to put up a cross for fallen troopers, because the are probably Chritians like most are. THe minority needs to stay the minority. I think that would also mean you! It was also a very kind and considerate thing to do for the families of these troopers.

        NOW here is the real kicker. I am totally offended, by a Mosque anywhere in the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. I am also totally offended by Muslims existing in My country. They do not belong in a Christian based society and neither do Athiests. I also belong to the majority and that is going to count again in a big way. The day of the minorities taking precedence over the majority, is rapidly coming to a close and you can take that to the bank.The number of people who are willing to spill their own blood for the preservation of our republic is growing.

        • J. Murphy

          slickporsche,

          You believe as many Americans do right now. Some people who have made statements above seem to want to split hairs concerning the Christian religion. We have many sects of Christianity in the U.S. I am a Christian but I choose no particular church. My church is “God”. There may be little tiffs between the different Christian religions but none of them try to shove it down someone else’s throat. As long as a person believes in God & his teachings, I don’t care what church they belong to.

          If that Highway Patrolman was of the Jewish faith & the Star Of David was placed there instead of a cross, I would not object. Maybe the Dept. of Highway Patrol could get permission from whoever owns the land closest to where this man died, & ask their permission to erect the cross right there. Then the idiot atheist couldn’t do a damn thing about it. Just a suggestion. I don’t condone what the court did.

          Atheists can not & never will take God from any of us. They just like making noise like a spoiled child trying to get their own way. Don’t give them that power. Don’t even justify their existence. God will take care of them in his way. We need do nothing.

          As far as Muslims go, it’s not their religion that’s a problem. It’s Islam & Sharia laws. They don’t know anything but that. Their religion forbids them to read a Christian Bible. Literally. They fear their laws.
          They won’t be open minded & think for themselves. I think we all wish they would leave our country.
          If Muslims want freedom of religion, etc. they should start in their own countries & change the ancient laws made by “Man” not God. Muhammed was not a prophet. He was just a greedy insignificant person & if you read many parts of their beloved Koran, you can tell much of it is made up by a “man” to give power to “men” & are definitely not the words of “God or Allah”. Just a bunch of chickens pecking at the sand. Don’t know which direction to go, ever. Want to have nightmares? Google Mosques in the United States.

        • J. Murphy

          slickporsche,

          You believe as many Americans do right now. Some people who have made statements above seem to want to split hairs concerning the Christian religion. We have many sects of Christianity in the U.S. I am a Christian but I choose no particular church. My church is “God”. There may be little tiffs between the different Christian religions but none of them try to shove it down someone else’s throat. As long as a person believes in God & his teachings, I don’t care what church they belong to.

          If that Highway Patrolman was of the Jewish faith & the Star Of David was placed there instead of a cross, I would not object. Maybe the Dept. of Highway Patrol could get permission from whoever owns the land closest to where this man died, & ask their permission to erect the cross right there. Then the idiot atheist couldn’t do a damn thing about it. Just a suggestion. I don’t condone what the court did.

          Atheists can not & never will take God from any of us. They just like making noise like a spoiled child trying to get their own way. Don’t give them that power. Don’t even justify their existence. God will take care of them in his way. We need do nothing.

          As far as Muslims go, it’s not their religion that’s a problem. It’s Islamic laws. They don’t know anything but that. Their religion forbids them to read a Christian Bible. Literally. They fear their laws.
          They won’t be open minded & think for themselves. I think we all wish they would leave our country.
          If Muslims want freedom of religion, etc. they should start in their own countries & change the ancient laws made by “Man” not God. Muhammed was not a prophet. He was just a greedy insignificant person & if you read many parts of their beloved Koran, you can tell much of it is made up by a “man” to give power to “men” & are definitely not the words of “God or Allah”. Just a bunch of chickens pecking at the sand. Don’t know which direction to go, ever. Want to have nightmares? Google Mosques in the United States.

        • J. Murphy

          slickporsche,

          You believe as many Americans do right now. Some people who have made statements above seem to want to split hairs concerning the Christian religion. We have many sects of Christianity in the U.S. I am a Christian but I choose no particular church. My church is “God”. There may be little tiffs between the different Christian religions but none of them try to shove it down someone else’s throat. As long as a person believes in God & his teachings, I don’t care what church they belong to.

          If that Highway Patrolman was of the Jewish faith & the Star Of David was placed there instead of a cross, I would not object. Maybe the Dept. of Highway Patrol could get permission from whoever owns the land closest to where this man died, & ask their permission to erect the cross right there. Then the idiot atheist couldn’t do a damn thing about it. Just a suggestion. I don’t condone what the court did.

          Atheists can not & never will take God from any of us. They just like making noise like a spoiled child trying to get their own way. Don’t give them that power. God will take care of them in his way. We need do nothing.

          As far as Muslims go, it’s not their religion that’s a problem. It’s Islamic laws. They don’t know anything but that. Their religion forbids them to read a Christian Bible. Literally. They fear their laws.
          They won’t be open minded & think for themselves. I think we all wish they would leave our country.
          If Muslims want freedom of religion, etc. they should start in their own countries & change the ancient laws made by “Man” not God. Muhammed was not a prophet. He was just a greedy insignificant person & if you read many parts of their beloved Koran, you can tell much of it is made up by a “man” to give power to “men” & are definitely not the words of “God or Allah”. Just a bunch of chickens pecking at the sand. Don’t know which direction to go, ever. Want to have nightmares? Google Mosques in the United States.

        • http://Bandit J Taylor

          Thank you. Very well said and very well put.

      • Earl

        I really do tire of telling people on this website that the “separation of church and state” is NOT in the Constitution! It is simply a reference to the **Danbury statement to the baptists**…Do look it up and you will find that is the origin of the “separation” confusion. The 1st amendment simply says “Congress shall make no LAW respecting the establishment of religion”. Simple enough a moron could understand it. Why can’t you AND all the other misquoters out there……………..!

        • hflashman

          I realize that is what it says. Any law touching on any religion gives that religious sect the aura of authority over all others. so what would be the line? There is none. The answer? No intrusion whatsoever.

          What’s wrong with that? Can’t christianity stand by itself or does it need State authority to be legitimate?

          • 45caliber

            flash: Your religion (atheism) is trying to do just what you insist is wrong in other religions. You are trying to convert everyone.

          • vicki

            A cross, sitting on the side of the road is not a law.

      • http://Yahoo Ann

        Who is trying to push religion on other?? Good question. What religion are you. Are you an American citizen? Where does the Bill of Rights and our Constitution come in??? Good questions, right?

      • blv54

        for hundreds o yrs we’ve had christian symbols in this country there everywhere and just all of a sudden after all this time it’s offensive, that would be because the antichrist is getting ready to come to power and he won’t feel comfy with crosses around, same as obama won’t give a speech with christian symbols behind him, gee I wonder if no couldn’t be.

      • ronnie

        “hflashman”….

        “I just wish people would keep it personal and quit trying to push”.. thier SEXUAL beliefs down mine, and OUR CHILDREN’S throat! A public school will FORCE HOMOSEXUALITY and MUSLIM upon our children in the name of “tolerance” while taking away the religious freedom of Christians.(The FOUNDATION of America’s FREEDOMS!)

      • RWS

        hflashman, why do you feel that a cross on the road is trying to push someone’s religous beliefs on you? If you see a cross, it most certainly doesn’t force you to believe in Christianity does it? You obviously think for yourself and it shouldn’t influence you one way or another right? I think the ruling is incorrect and inconsistent with the constitution. Then again, maybe you are feeling compelled by these signs as if someone or something is always pursuing you in a very persistent manner. Revelation 3:20 “Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me.” I think God is always pursuing you. Try to go through one day and count how many times God, or Jesus or church comes up. Whether in the news, on TV shows, in conversations, anything. I think you’ll notice, it’s quite a bit. He is actively pursuing you.

      • PATRIOTIC INFIDEL

        YOU ARE AN IDIOT! I GUESS YOU CANNOT READ A SIMPLE ARTICLE….. YOU MUST BE A PRODUCT OF “NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND” AND YOU WERE! THE STATE CONFIRMS THE RELIGION OF THE FALLEN OFFICER BEFORE THE MAKING OF THE MARKER IDIOT! SO I GUESS YOU WANT ALL THE CROSSES IN CEMETARIES BROUGHT DOWN ALSO!? HOW ABOUT CROSSES ON ALL CHRISTIAN CHURCHES!?
        RELIGIOUS PEOPLE ARE NOT COMPLAINING ABOUT YOU A-HOLES BECAUSE YOU DON’T BELIEVE IN ANYTHING! SO TELL ME WHAT DO YOU SAY DURING SEX..
        “OH ______ I THINK I AM *&%$#%@!
        IF ALL YOU LIB’S DON’T LIKE THIS CHRISTIAN NATION THEN LEAVE! NOW!

    • William

      Clair he was just another educated IDIOT,

    • http://personallibertydigest robert williams

      claire the Judge Evadently is a non Suporter of the U S Constitution as are the Athiests Are Unles it Suports there Agenda Just like the Obama Dictatorship the FIRST admendment dose not i REPETE NOT SAY church and state is to Be Seperate.that is Just another FED Government LIE the First Admendment Clearly Sayes this and Only this it saysFIRST Admendment in the Bill of rights 1.the people has the right to freedom of speech and the freedom of religion and there are to be no Laws None Nata To be made to Infrenge Upon these Rights Even the So Called Hate Crime Law that Obummer Thinks he Inacted .It is A Deffent Attempt to Infringe Upon your Alenated rights to Freedom of Speech.

      • http://Yahoo Ann

        Good reply!!!

    • WallStreet

      So in other words if the case goes against your way of thinking then the judge must be an atheist or a muslim?

      • vicki

        No. Just mis-informed :)

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        it would seem so. Or else he’s just a piss-poor judge, or worse an Demorat activist setting on the bench. I wonder if he took an oath to defend the Constitution ?

  • Jim H.

    Alot of people just must have alot of spare time on there hands if they have time to go to court to complain about crosses along side the road. Those markers are left by family’s that lost a loved one, let them grieve in peace. How cold hearted can the Anti-Defamation League be?

    • Doc Sarvis

      Jim H.
      I agree; A lot of people just must have a lot of spare time on there hands if they have time to go to court to complain about crosses along side the road or complain about a muslim prayer center in a city.

      • libertytrain

        Doc these are not apple to apple comparisons. More like an apple and a rotten egg.

        • Bob

          There have been crosses along highways for decades. It must have something to do with police officers.

          • Christin

            It has something to do with making a GODLESS AMERICA.

            The radical left fring is emboldened by their radical marxist leader.
            A few scream and the gov changes normal, moral traditions for the whole population to appease a few intolerant unGodly types.

            Got to get rid of a Holy God and ALL images of His reminder to us so “the people” can fall into the hands of Godless gov and do as their told by the dictator and not the real God, our Father.

            When you get rid of God, you get rid of Faith in Christ and REAL Hope… then the people will let you lead them to the slaughter.
            BOOM …dark ages again.

          • 45caliber

            Christin:
            That is exactly why Stalin and Lenin wanted to get rid of religion and banned it there. They want the people to turn to the government (them) for all answers. I’m sure they wanted to do just like the Emperors of Rome did and declare themselves God but were afraid too many of the rest of us would either laugh at them or drop them into a hole somewhere.

    • William

      Jim a better question would be how STUPID are they and the judges who rule in their favor? and when are the damned sorry politicians going to get some backbone and say to these IDIOTS. you were not elected by the people to make law from the bench. hell most of them dont know how to interpret the law as this judge proved in his stupid ruling,

    • Will

      Jim, these people don’t care about anything but their own agenda. They don’t have any REAL values. It’s time for people like us to actually fight fire with fire. Political correctness is killing us, and I’m ashamed that it began in the U.S.

    • slickporsche

      Very Cold! They only worry about minority groups.

    • http://Yahoo Ann

      I agree, wonder if these folks are working or are drawing welfare??

    • WallStreet

      What would it look like if everyone put a cross on the roadside in order to commemorate their lost loved ones? These symbols have a place reserved for them. It’s called a cemetery.

      • 45caliber

        It serves as a very nice warning to others that someone died there and they could too if they aren’t careful.

  • K. D. M.

    I’d put those crosses up anyway. Pretty sad that the foolish few get to dictate what the majority can and can not do. Next we’ll be told we can’t pray at all any where not even in our own homes. The Athiests are working for Satan.

    • WallStreet

      Really? I’m rich, I’m powerful, I’m Rebublican, and I am an atheist. So what. Am I working for satan? Don’t think so. I did this the good old American way. Pulled myself up by my bootstraps to get here and I feel entitled to believe any way I feel like believing.

      • JeffH

        WallStreet, I doubt you’re any of the above with exception to the atheist. I can only guess you must have an attention deficit disorder.

      • 45caliber

        And does that make you better than everyone else? Or anyone else for that matter? I chose family and a better life to getting rich. I suspect I’m far happier than you are. I can count and enjoy grandkids instead of counting and enjoying dead dollar bills.

        Actually, I feel sorry for you.

        • Lubo

          ditto to that!

      • PJ

        Rich, powerful, republican and atheist and you think that entitles you to deprecate the traditions of this nation. The foundation of our nation is the concept of individual sovereignty and the free exercise of our inalienable rights as human beings. We are each free to exercise our rights unless by exercising those rights we infringe upon another individuals free exercise of their rights. Please note that simply viewing another person’s religious symbol, while aggravating or possibly insulting, does not constitute infringement upon your rights. Nowhere in the constitution is there a protection from the occasional contact with offensive symbols in the public sphere.

        Death site crosses are memorials to individuals who have given their lives in service to he rest of us. The cross or star are symbols of the faith these fallen heroes lived by. You do not have to follow those beliefs nor should you be insulted by the monument. If you propose a symbol for atheist who die in the line of duty it becomes a de facto religious symbol whether you choose to admit it or not. The absence of religious faith is a profession of faith in a different belief system. Failure to scientifically confirm the existence of the soul or god does not constitute scientific proof that god or souls do not exist. None of us know the truth until we take leave of this existence.

        In this nation we are supposed to respect the rights of all persons regardless of the repulsiveness of their beliefs. We extend respect to the most heinous criminal yet you would not allow the simple courtesy of respecting a dead man’s faith. If you are truly a Republican then perhaps we should revoke your membership as you can not respect the rights of your fellow citizens.

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        unfortunately all your money and power won’t buy you a soul or a ticket to heaven. I wouldn’t want to be in your shoes when you meet your maker.

  • Ron

    May God Bless you all for your Comments. The ACLU, the American Atheists and the Anti-Defamation League can all go to Hell! The judge should be disbarred from ever practicing law again.

    • Janet

      The anti-Christ bunch will end up in hell and they are trying to bring there kingdom here….let us pray to our heavenly Father….thy kingdom come, they will be done on earth as it is in heaven!!!

      • Christin

        Amen, Janet, Amen.

    • William

      AMEN RON AMEN,

    • WallStreet

      Why? Because he feels that there is a place for crosses, and it is in cemetaries?

    • 45caliber

      Ron,
      Don’t worry. They probably all will unless they get an epifany and change. And I pray all of them do.

  • Marilyn

    THE SOB’s won again! And Americans wonder what is wrong with our country!

    • 45caliber

      They haven’t completely won yet. There are three of those crosses on private ground and the judge ruled that those were okay. The others will probably be moved to private ground directly behind the place they are now. And at least one man has already erected more to replace them. (see wnd.com)

  • James L. Jones

    Why do we continue to allow a few idiots to run our country? It time
    we stand up to these people, enough is enough! If they don’t like it,
    leave!

    • William

      James it’s very simple. last election should have shown you we have a huge majority of IDIOTS in this country now,

      • http://Yahoo Ann

        They sure bought a pig in a polk didn’t they. Boy did they ever get change and from a legal president!!!!!

      • blv54

        it’s the public school system that’s causing a lot of this, their convincing the kids that their is no God then they steal their faith by having them read ancient egyptian stuff like Horus the sun god that supposedly did the same things as Jesus only thousands of yrs earlier, I heard they are now saying that teaching your kids Christianity is now child abuse, were in the end times now so this ungodliness will only get worse but we should be fighting these antigod ruling I don’t see anyone doing anything, case in point that cross in the Mojave desert far as I know nobody said anything when they stole it if christians don’t stand up now they will be killing us christians in the not to distant future like they do in other parts of the world.

        • http://gunner689 gunner689

          Put your kids in a Christian based private school. My grandkids go to one and I couldn’t be happier. They’re getting a first class education while learning that there is somethings greater than themselves. Sure it expensive but there are ways. what’s more important than your children’s education?

    • Christin

      Liberal Judges are (eliminating the Constitution and moral traditions and) standing with these “few idiots.”

      No way to get rid of them… unless you can get them to join you in your world view… inwhich case they would be on your side and America’s Freedoms.

      • slickporsche

        You are wrong! A well organized and armed revolution would give us our republic back and it is the only thing that will.

        • WallStreet

          Do we realy have to go through a Civil War again? Is killing to get your way the only thing you can think of? Thank god we have Carl Rove to think up sneaky srategies. Really, if all of you want only people who think like you in your country why don’t you go live in a dictatorship? That way you could have the head of your christian church decide what you should think and do. And you would be happy, because you would never be confronted with people who think differently. Utterly boring!

          • 45caliber

            We are living in one, or very close to one. And the leader is your kind of man.

          • Lubo

            45……Well said, but he will never see it! Sheeple I think is the word.

        • Christin

          I don’t know, slickporsche.
          Most days I think it will come to that and we are preparing for all hell to break loose (2011-2012), but I also believe that the gov and those really running things have thought that through already and they are preparing, too. Remember they have called US terrorists and have made laws in their 2000 page bills and Homeland Sec to deal with us… loss of jobs & housing… martial law… camps… property grab… food & water shortage… deliberate swine flu outbreaks… pick your crisis. We are not organized and I think they will have many who will be their brown shirts and give you and the rest of us a bigger bloody fight than you may think.
          What say you?

      • Bob

        Why do you call Communists Liberals?

        • http://gunner689 gunner689

          Bob: you’re right. Social Progressives-Communists is a more accurate term.

  • patrick

    OK folks, what is it going to take to make you open your eyes? Please take the time to read up on the history of how people in power can take over a country. We are talking about powerfull people like: Hitler, Castro, Chavez, Stalin, Mao, read the letters from the average citizens as they explain in simply words how the slow brainwashings made them believe these men meant well when in fact that was part of their plan to covertly control these people and their children. It has already started to progress right here in River City… the once great United States of America. We must hurry and get organized for the coming revolution. As most of you can see and read each day on these sites, our hopes and dreams, that are friendly politicans will end the Obammy boy disease, is NOT happening. Therefore, it will be up to, “We the People”, to flood the streets in every town in America to eradicate these evil people in power…. before they take control through our military.

    • Bob

      They took over those countries because the citizens were unarmed.

      • 45caliber

        Actually when Hitler took over they were armed. He first educated the Youth Corps (which became the brown shirts and then the SS). Then he got the people to agree to gun registration for safety reasons. And then he sent his brown shirts to collect the guns.

    • slickporsche

      Yes and it also means spilled blood and many deaths, but I am ready, so lets get it started. NO more! I am sure we can count on most of our own military for help and there are those outside the country that would come to our aid.

      • 45caliber

        slick, I still wonder if you aren’t a government agitator who hopes to get someone to agree with you so you can arrest them. If you really want all that, go ahead. No one is stopping you from trying – or won’t until you try.

    • http://Yahoo Ann

      Study the canidates running, be sure they have your views, and get out and vote. This is the best option here is. Hate and discontent got us where we are. Leave race out of it and vote for the best candidate. Lets act like Americans and support our country.

      • WallStreet

        Hear Hear!

      • 45caliber

        And make sure you vote at the polling places. The last election it came out that they don’t bother to count any absentee votes, particularly from the military, unless the vote is contested.

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        Love you’re Country, but don’t trust this gvt.

  • tommy boy

    Lets investigate the funding of the aclu and the adl. How about it nancy?

    • Christin

      Hopefully fancy nancy will be demoted in Jan. if the repubs take the House in Nov.
      Just think of all the money the gov can save with just her not in the third seat of power… NO MORE EXPENSIVE 42 seater military planes for her ONE BUTT.
      CA we are counting on YOU to step up to the plate and vote against lousy pelousy. And fellow Americans, likewise, you should vote against the progressive dems to GET a MAJORITY so we can unseat her.

      • 45caliber

        Christin:
        It isn’t just Nancy! She also loads her daughter, son-in-law, and grandchild on those planes too. After all, she wants them close so she can make sure they do everything her way.

        • Christin

          So 45, you think it is okay for nanc and her small family to have that big expensive plane to travel at our expense??

    • JeffH

      tommy boy, somewhere in all of this you can bet the Soros name is attached.

      • slickporsche

        Yes and he is another one that deserves a revolutionary bullet. Preferably to the brain.

  • Kory

    It is dissappointing that the Personal Liberty News Desk seems to support the courts ruling. I will probably unsubscribe to this newsletter as a result

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear Kory,

      I don’t know what would make you think we support this ruling. We don’t. I don’t know how long you’ve been a subscriber, but I suggest you search the site for our opinions on religious freedom and the persecution of Christians in our country and you will see that we would never support a ruling of this sort. This article is just giving the facts of the case.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • William

        Bob I have been reading your letter for some time now and will continue readig it because you seem to think more like I do. you could do the people a huge favor by puting a copy of each article of the constitution in each news letter. I have my copy of the constitution,

        • Lubo

          Bob…..Not that this needed to be cleared up but thanks for the post.

          By the way, you do a GREAT job, keep it up.

    • American Citizen

      Where in this article do you see the ruling was supported by the editor? Kory, you must have a comprehension problem.

    • JeffH

      …are you sure your real name isn’t fast eddie47 or duh!nisso?

  • Ed Atkins

    WHERE IS IT WRITTEN THAT WE CAN’T MIX CHURCH AND STATE>….IT ONLY SAYS THAT THE GOVERNMENT CANNOT MAKE ANY LAWS TELLING YOU WHAT KIND OF RELIGION TO HAVE.—- CROSSES ON THE ROAD HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH IT…..

    • William

      thats right Ed,

    • crystal

      Great comment! At least there are a few people who actually read the Constitution.

    • Doc Sarvis

      Don’t crosses on government property imply government endorsment of Christianity?

      • Lubo

        Doc….I would think no more than the absense of a cross on the side of the road would suggest a government endorsement of existentialism.

        • Doc Sarvis

          …or Nature.

          • Lubo

            Doc….agreed!

      • JeffH

        Doc Sarvis, then I can guess that there should be no crosses standing in the Arlington National Cemetary or any government National cemetaries.

        Am I correct?

        • JeffH

          …based on the judges ruling of “public land” of course.

        • Doc Sarvis

          I’m not sure if you are correct. I believe that they allow any and all religous symbols to mark the graves.

          • Lubo

            Doc…Correct….a wide range of various crosses, head stones and other religous symbols exist within Arlington.

          • 45caliber

            And if you have a family member die on the road, there is no reason you cannot put up some different religious marker to show the place.

          • Lubo

            45 Caliber…..Sounds logical to me!

      • WallStreet

        Yes!

      • JC

        Are you an idiot?
        Does “In God We Trust” ring a bell?
        Our natio….aw forget it, you’re just not worth it.

    • slickporsche

      We have always mixed church and state in the past and that is why we have been so succesful.

    • http://Yahoo Ann

      Yeah!!!!!

  • kwullen

    One also needs to understand that the 1st Amendment has NOTHING to do with a STATE sponsoring a religion. It restricts the FEDERAL government from establishing a FEDERALLY required religion and is supposed to restrict the feds from interfering in STATE religious matters. If Utah wants to put crosses up to memorialize it’s fallen officers, the Constitution is supposed to PROTECT that ability, not restrict it.
    Read the 10th Amendment until it’s understood. All power and responsibility not SPECIFICALLY ENUMERATED to the federal government is reserved TO the states and the people.
    The judges ruling is exactly 180 degrees wrong. The Constitution guarantees the right for Utah to place the crosses.

    • 63rdpatriot

      Constitution? What’s that? Oh, you mean that piece of paper our wonder “representatives” have been trampling? We don’t need that anymore. We now have a great liar in chief to take care of us, so relax, sit back, and drink the cool-aid.

      • independant thinker

        I’m still waiting for my free bubble up and rainbow stew. The gubment needs to hurry up and start furnishing it so I can quit working and sit on my @$$.

      • http://Bandit J Taylor

        What? You mean like GWB said, “It is only a piece of paper.”

    • William

      you are so right kwullen,

    • Lubo

      Kwullen….Well put and I’m not sure why anyone don’t get that.

      • Christin

        Yes, kwullen you are so right. Well said.

        Lubo, many in high positions have changed the language of the constitution and perverted its meaning… and because people aren’t required to learn the Constituion of the United Sates of America and its Amendments anymore people just don’t know the truth.. until maybe now… the ones that are seeking TRUTH in this unjust world.

        • Lubo

          Christin….correct but it is up to us to change that come November and there after.

  • Tom

    Why is it that the states do not have a problem when a disaster happens to call on the churches to help. Why is it when a state
    representative dies that the state allows so many state police
    to be involved with the religious funeral. Why is it that the
    states and our government have no problem going to churches to
    campaign for office. Why is it that police offices can park in
    church parking lots to give out speeding tickets. The next time
    the government needs the church, they may get a surprise and the churches tell the government that they can not help due to law suits separating them from government. It a sad day

  • bob

    when the rapture happens and jesus comes and takes those who are belivers, i wonder what the athiests will say when god unleashes his judgement on those who are left behind. that will wake them up.

    • slickporsche

      They will be doing a lot of begging and lying!

  • SteveB

    ATHIESTS!!!!!……You make me laugh!!!…..There are no Athiests who don’t believe there’s a God. They just refuse to bow to Him. You can’t look in the sky, and at the oceans, and all of creation, and say there’s no God. I suppose they can look at a pasture full of cow dung and say there are no cows,too!!!!
    Separation of church and state??? Indeed! There are matters for the state and matters for the church…that government officials have no authority in and should stay out of. We don’t need another English Colonial government, just like the one our forefathers wrote this constitution to get rid of.

    • Bob

      There are no atheists in foxholes.

      • William

        you’r damned right their wasn’t Bob,

      • Tony

        You’re an idiot Bob. I’ve been there and I’m still an athiest!

        • Bob

          Tony you’re another one of those morons that claim to have been in combat but never were.

        • 45caliber

          You weren’t when someone was shooting at you.

          • Tony

            45caliber,I didn’t have time to give it any thought. I was too busy shooting back. You just don’t get it do you? What you are saying to me would be like me claiming that every time you failed to get a prayer answered you stopped believing in your god. I don’t believe, please get over it!

    • Tony

      Steve, you speak from total ignorance. How can you claim to know anything about what athiests believe. As an athiest I can tell you that I absolutely do not believe in the existance of any god. That does not make me a follower of satan because it is impossible for me to follow that which I do not believe in. I am also a conservative in my beliefs. Look up the definition of conservative and please show me where it says anything about being a christian. I have spent my entire life being ridiculed by so called christians and Americans. The first ammendment allows me to not believe in a god just as much as it allows you to believe in one. I have no issue with any religion as long as it or it’s followers do not try to force themselves on me or anyone else. I have always shown respect and tollerance for someone’s religion but have never received the same respect in return. If Utah wants to use a cross as a symbol to honor a policeman’s death then I have no problem with it. I am neither a liberal or a communist or a socialist, I am an athiest and an American citizen and a veteran, so please understand that I and my sons, the oldest of which gave his life, have fought to protect your rights to be ignorant

      • ValDM

        Tony,

        You claim to be atheist……..where do your moral values come from?
        Please don’t say they are intrinsic, that’s a bunch of bushwa. They come from GOD.

        • Tony

          It dosen’t take a genious or a god to know the difference between right and wrong. Your argument is a weak one ValDM.

          • Lubo

            Tony….You must believe in evolution? If you do, then what separates your KIND and RESPECTFUL nature from other animals? Specifically Ape’s, which is what evolution teaches, that we HUMANS evolved from.

            Since Ape’s KILL and eat their own kind with no remorse, then why is it that you would find that repulsive? If the “Science” of evolution is correct, then why are there still Ape’s running around on planet earth. You mean to tell me that this mysterious “Mother Nature force” selectively chose to evolve one species of the Ape’s but left all others behind?

            You seem to be a good person and I do respect your right as a non-believer. But, please do not cast ALL CHRISTIANS as not being tolerent to your disbelief of GOD.

            I pray that our Gracious Heavenly Father will reveal his SPIRIT to you so you can share in the promise of better things to come.

          • Jim H.

            Tony, I’m not saying that you are, but why are some atheists so afraid of something they don’t believe in? I don’t believe in ghosts,there for, I don’t care, even if some people do. Ghosts, witches and vampires are not a threat to me, Why is a symbol of religion so offensive to some? The cross signifies my religion, but I don’t get upset seeing a Star of David or a statue of Buddha. What is the big deal about a cross marking a fatal accident along a highway?

          • JeffH

            I have to chime in on this. Just because someone is an atheist doesn’t make them a bad person. We’re all allowed the freedom to believe what we believe. What I have a problem with are those atheists(liberals)that believe they can force their will onto our freedom to believe. There is a distinct difference isn’t there?

            It’s a matter of choice, not force, and this ruling is nothing more than the American Atheists and the supporting Anti-Defamation League forcing their beliefs through the courts.

            Everyone needs to remember that this works both ways. FYI, I am not an atheist!

          • http://gunner689 gunner689

            If it doesn’t take a genius to know right from wrong how come the liberals can’t get it?

            Semper Fie

        • WallStreet

          That’s the problem with christians today. They think they own morality. I am also an atheist but am a moral person. Morals come from the people who raise us and believe that we are obligated, as people of the world, to treat others with respect. I have done that my whole life. Where did you christians get the notion that if you aren’t christian you have no morals?

      • Bruce D.

        I am a big believer in freedom of religion. I also stand with you on this one Tony. Your viewpoint is a legitimate one and it is very well put. I believe that you were in the foxhole as your blog seems sincere to me.

      • Jim

        Tony,
        First thanks to your son for giving the ultimate sacrifice for us. Christ did the same in the same way that we could understand such a great sacrifice which you understand more than the rest of us. Isaiah 53′s 12 verses identifies who Christ is 700 years before he came and fulfilled all that was said here. The probability of anyone being able to do that is conservatively 1 million to one and to scholars who have studied all of this stuff it is 7 trillion to one all using Baysian statistics. Scientific stuff – not ignorance. That is why he left all of the over 200 prophecies to fulfill – no human on earth can do this. We can’t even predict everything that will happen tomorrow. Please don’t feel a false loyalty to family that went on without reconciliation with Christ. Read Luke 16:19 and on and following and you will understand how much your lost family really loves you. The rich mans loved his family but he did not want them following him – he loved them.

      • 45caliber

        Tony:
        THere are two types of atheists.

        1) They do not believe in the existance of any supreme being and could care less what others believe.

        2) They protest because they fear there is a God and want to convert everyone to their religion – atheism.

        If you are signing on here, guess which one you are?

        • Lubo

          Dang!!!!!!!!! Good point my man!

        • vicki

          Well said 45.

          If I were an atheist I would be the type one atheist. I would not care what you choose to believe nor would I try to force you to believe in nothing. I would also not bother to be offended by your belief in something.

        • Tony

          Well I had planned to not return today but after finishing work I thought that I would have a look to see how people were reacting today. Mr. 45caliber, you obviously are no expert on athiests. I fit into neither of your catagories. I really don’t care what you believe in but I am concerned about how people falsley judge me by my lack of belief in a god. I don’t know what religion you claim to be but it’s probably not christianity. If it were you would remember to judge not lest ye be judged.

        • Bob

          Tony is probably agnostic.

          • Tony

            No Bob, I’m an athiest through and through.

  • EdinNola

    This is no reaffirmation of anything except the fact that this judge has no respect for his oath of office. There is no such thing as separation of church and state in the Constitution. This is a gross distortion of the Constitution and I might add, a Communist creation. The Constitution forbids the Congress (by natural extension the Federal Government) from interfering with one’s practice of religion. Exactly what is this, other than an interference with the practice of religion? This case is not and was not within the jurisdiction of the Federal Court System. In fact it commits the “crime” that it proports to remedy. This ruling is NOT legal.

  • patrick

    Question: Is a Swastika a cross that represents a religion? or a political party? Question: What would you rather see along the side of the road, a swastika or a cross? Answer: Now that there is proof that there is a strong connection between Muslims/terrorists and Hitler, and Obammy boy, a Muslim, is trying to overthrow our country and eliminate our Constitution, and our Christian beliefs, you can expect to see the swastika along the sides of roads all across America soon. Keep your eyes open as crosses are replaced with the symbol that Hitler employed!

    • Bob

      Not a Swastika, a hammer and “sickle “.

  • Paul Veen

    Tell a lie enough times and not only reporters, but the courts will believe it. The First amendment DOES NOT mandate a separation between church and state, but that CONGRESS shall not pass laws establishing a state religion.

  • Annie Ladysmith

    A more fitting symbol? What would that be? The Satanic “star of David”, a misnomer and a symbol of hell. May Utah rebell and not take one of these crosses down, they are the symbol of CHRISTIAN Western civilization and the day they wipe out that symbol across America will be the day the nukes rain down on majoe American cities. Rebell now or suffer the consequences! The ADL can roast in hell, the sooner the better. If people don’t like crosses they can move to Israhell.

    • Her6bert

      Sorry, Annie, but that was just ignorant.

      • Bob

        Annie was right. The Aclu and the ADL and SPLC are all Zionist spies. spying on Patriotic Americans.

    • ValDM

      Annie,
      WHAT are you saying? Christianity (with the coming of the Messiah) was the culmination of the Old Testament (The Torah of the Jews). How can you believe that they can be separated?????????

      • http://Bandit J Taylor

        Because the majority of the Jews during the time of Christ did not believe that he was the messiah, but a prophet. And it remains the same today in their beliefs.

    • WallStreet

      Annie, sweetheart, what in the world are you talking about? Christ was a Jew. Maybe we should all be Jewish because he was. If you don’t love Jews, then you are not christian.

    • J. Murphy

      Annie,

      I can’t believe you just called the “Star Of David” satanic..!! That is so wrong. Must I remind you that Jesus was Judean?? He was a Jew, born in Jerusalem. Why would you say that?? The cross is a symbol of how Jesus died, for all of us sinners. Do you hate Jews or their faith, or what?? I’m not Jewish but this was way harsh.

  • Grumpy41

    Quote of John Adams:

    “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to govern any other.”

    • Lubo

      Grumpy41…..Yep!….and your can find these type comments all throughout our FOUNDERS writings.

      Although the anti-GOD progressive movement insists that we were not founded on CHRISTIAN principles, the evidence clearly suggest otherwise.

      Fact is, our constitution WILL NOT WORK for an immoral peoples and that is the reason that they pervert our constitution into some type of “Living and Breathing Document”. Whatever that is?

      I quess that means that the constitution is nothing more than an OLD idea that changes with any and every passing wind, so as to supplement the distruction of America, by those who are in denial about our founding and our core Christian beliefs.

  • patrick

    All of you Christians out there in America, we need to organize our efforts and have the ACLU help us bring law suits against every Mulim building in every city in America. You see, I am offended by those stupid tall towers and those dumb looking people with little beanny hats that yell out from Mosques as people kneel down to bow to to a fake, ALAH. The Muslim structures are there for a few reasons, to promote their religion and their terroristic beliefs and recruit more members to help overtake the world! This is the same reasoning non-believers are using.

    • Lubo

      Patrick……Send your money to the ACRU, not the ACLU, and you will have a much better chance of getting something positive done.

    • WallStreet

      You are definitely tripping on something. Perhaps it is the hate speech being promulgated by hate groups which are so vocal today.

      • Lubo

        Wallstreet…What is hate speech and how does that “term” relate to the 1st amendment? Also, who decides what IS and what IS NOT “hate Speech”. Sounds a little facist to me, how about you?

    • http://Bandit J Taylor

      Patrick, not all Muslims are terrorists, or non believers. I have known and worked with some for years. Never more gentle, unassuming, polite people. They did not flaunt their religion, nor speak of it. But were all from Muslim countries that they “ran from” after the Shaw was liquidated. And the Extremists took over.

  • Hubert

    I am offended by people wearing obvious signs of their religion in public and in government buildings. I find it insulting that people around me are allowed to wear burka’s and other religious oriented clothing in public.
    To me that moving religious sign is even more infringing than a stationary sign like a cross. It is much more difficult to avoid the moving signs than the stationary ones.
    Of course I have no objection to them practicing and wearing those signs in private but they do not have to go around offending me.
    Remobe those burka’s,head shawls, dots on the forehead, etc.
    Moving statements of religion are more infringing and must, just like the crosses and ten commandments,also be banned on public property.

    • David in Ma.

      Tough!

    • William

      hubert you sound like another fringe lunatic. I see people wearing those symbles every day and it dodt bother me a bit. what really offends me is all those peircings and people wearing their pants hanging below their damned ASS,

    • Bob

      Many Catholics wear crosses around their necks. Jews wear the Star of David. What would you do about them?

    • Bruce D.

      There are other religious biggots like you out there Hubert. Most are not and neither were the ‘founding fathers’ who tried to protect us from people like you. The scaff over the face is a little different as we live in dangerous times and you should be able to see peoples faces as a possible warning to the danger of a psycopath.

    • JeffH

      Hubert offended? As they say in Poland, tough shitzky! Liberal hack!

      • WallStreet

        His views are liberal? Think again. You all call liberals nazis, but the truth is all of you are exhibiting nazi thoughts and promoting nazi actions. Does everyone have to be just like you? That’s what nazis wanted.

        • JeffH

          WallStreet, Bite me!….who’s calling who a Nazi? Not I fool!

        • Lubo

          Wallstreet…… I think maybe you are speaking of King Obama and his Czars in Washington, aren’t you?

        • JC

          Actually we are (except for the liberal trolls) a pro-freedom crew here. It the nazi’s who want out guns, the commies who want our religion destroyed (Muslims too) and the Liberals who are helping them do it.
          And if you really are a wall street type…do me a favor and JUMP!

        • Lubo

          …..just more evidence in print confirming ole “GOP-Wallstreet”, the richest and most powerful man in the world, is nothing more than a “Progressive Hack”.

    • vicki

      People, please. Hubert was using satire. He was showing the logical result of extending this judges ruling to all religion as would be required under the 14th amendment (Equal protection).

    • PJ

      Where in the constitution is it stated that you have a right to freedom from insult? Our principles require that we respect religious expression and protect your right to not believe.

      What is the difference between your impulse to restrict religious symbols and a corollary push to ban the practice of atheism in the public square?

  • Conservative at Birth

    Christianity is under attack in this country and the world. Watch for further attcks. You may want to decide if you are proudly, going to wear your religion on your sleeve, or hide from the brown shirts. Ask yourself why, Christianity? Because, over 80% of Americans say they are. I am going to buy cross on a necklace and wear it outside my clothing. I am not one for wearing jewelry, but I feel it is time to stand in solidarity NOW!

    • WallStreet

      I’m conservative at birth, but I am not a christian. Christianity is NOT under attack. YOU are attacking everyone who is not like you and who doesn’t think or believe like you. Is that the christian way of operating?

      • JeffH

        WallDunnger, seems you are enjoying your liberal self today.

      • vicki

        I didn’t see any evidence that CaB was attacking you or anyone else. Why do you feel that Cab was?

  • Denis Flaherty

    Yet again, another judge who needs to be launched from office. If we don’t stand up for our rights folks, WE WILL HAVE NONE! Just think how much more damage OB and his merry band of followers can do in 2 more years-it’s pathetic.

    • blv54

      when obama was campaigning and made the statement that americans were bitter clingers hanging on to their guns and bibles I told my husband if that guy gets in office he’s going to try to ban guns and the bible as it was easy to see he likes neither of those things, I still can’t understand why they put him in there I’m no rocket scientist but even I could see how awful he was ya know he really didn’t try to hide it he in so many words admitted he was a communist.

  • john

    We better get a wrecking crew over to most of our govt.buildings in Washington and start bulldozing all of those buildings that have Biblical inscriptions and or figures on them lest somebody takes offense…this is pathetic..is’nt removing memorial crosses from the roads now an enforcement of an atheists view upon us?Enough is enough

    • WallStreet

      No. Removing crosses is not atheist. It is simply not supporting one religion over another.

      • JC

        How very Liberal of you….JUMP!

  • patrick

    Somebody told me those dots on their foreheads for used to sight in a gun, does anyone know if that’s true?

    • Bubba

      Yup, its so that the laser dot can be focused properly.

      • slickporsche

        LMAO!hahahahahha

      • WallStreet

        You people are so hateful and disrespectful of those you don’t know! Why don’t you get your heads out of your asses and study up on what the dots are for and what their beliefs are?

        • 45caliber

          I know what they are for. But the boys are right too. They do make a great target.

          • Bob

            You are another armchair Rambo.

    • JC

      It has to do with chakras, and is part of an ancient belief that crosses through many cultures.
      And as far as I’m concerned those people are harmless and peace loving.

  • Lubo

    ” A man is a SLAVE to whatever has mastered him. ”

    Freedom loving AMERICANS, all peoples of color, must ask themselves, are we willing to become SLAVES to those who would attempt to trample our FREEDOMS.

    If the government removed a cross dedicated in memory to one of my LOVED ONES, then I would continue to replace that cross until they either Killed me or placed me in CHAINS.

    I see a very disturbing anti-christian and anti-american trend going on in this country, and that is the “In your Face” attitude that displays a level of arrogance unmatched in my life time. Similar to building a Mosque in close proximity to Ground Zero with the iman stating in 2005, on record, that the USA has more blood on her hands than the Islamic Terrorists(al qaeda) responsible for killing over 3,000 innocent Americans, in COLD BLOOD.

    The iman on Record, stating in 2005:
    During a 2005 conference in Australia, Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf compared the United States to Al Qaeda and said, “We tend to forget, in the West, that the United States has more Muslim blood on its hands than Al Qaeda has on its hands of innocent non-Muslims.”

    The most distrubing fact is, and history will “bear” this out, when you continually poke a sleeping bear in hibernation, that bear will eventally wake up, and then eat you. I hope these radicals understand what they they are asking for because the resulting events will be very tragic for all of us.

    • WallStreet

      Jesus preached love and tolerance. There are other ways of fighting for what you believe in. You people are violent and ignorant. Why would you even place a cross on the roadside? Wouldn’t flowers commemorate just as well? Why have the religious symbol – other than to be “in your face” about your religion? Why would you keep replacing crosses at the side of the road? You could be killed in the process by someone paying attention to what you were doing and not to the traffic. And while they are paying attention to what you were doing they might not only accidentally kill you, but they might kill themselves and others too. Do you want that? To be responsible for the deaths of several innocent people?

      • 45caliber

        Jesus also said to buy a sword to defend yourself with. He violently threw the moneychangers out of the church. And he is coming in judgement. Are you ready for it?

        • Lubo

          Wallstreet…because those who would deny me before men I will also deny them before the FATHER.

          Try concentrating on something other than attacking GOD and maybe you can find a little joy in your life.

      • vicki

        Flowers are religious symbols too. Bummer.
        http://www.religionfacts.com/buddhism/symbols/lotus.htm

        The rest of your argument is pure red herring as placing flowers can be just as distracting as placing a cross.

        Now here is the rub. If a driver is distracted by my placing an object at the side of the road guess who committed an infraction? (California)

        Hint: Key word “distracted”

      • JC

        Hey Wall Street…you’re in America. We’re a Christian nation.
        Why don’t you move to Tokyo…they have criminals like the ones on Wall Street too…and no crosses.
        La Guardia has several flights a day I’m sure…but you could always…JUMP!

      • blv54

        Jesus did not preach tolerance he said I am the only way to heaven not all roads lead to me believe whatever you want.

  • Her6bert

    Nowhere in the constitution are the words “separation of church and state.” The 10 statements in the Bill of Rights were composed to protect citizens from government. When reading Jeffersons choice of words in a personal letter in context about the wall of separation, it is clear how he intended it. If citizens choose to erect crosses, it is not an establishment of religion. It’s citizens exercising their right.

    • Lubo

      Her6bert…..Correct! Thank you for the post.

    • David in Ma.

      The statement separation of church and state comment is taken from a letter Thomas Jefferson wrote to the Danbury Baptists. The copy of the letter that I saw, he wrote, in effect, that government has no business in religion but Christian Principles shall always be in government, thereby erecting a wall of separation….so, the separation of church & state quoted as constitutional is not there..

      Another issue regulated to the state & the people?
      Another issue for civil disobediance?
      Another issue to just do it?
      Keep erecting the crosses, two pieces of wood don’t cost that much.

      • WallStreet

        Isn’t civil disobedience unlawful? Would Jesus want you to just dispense with laws you don’t like?

        • American Citizen

          We do not have to obey unjust laws. Ask any soldier. They do not have to obey unjust orders. They could be prosecuted for doing so.

  • patrick

    If we don’t hurry up and drop the BIG ONE to eliminate this worldwide disease, GOD will come soon to end it. But I don’t care cuz I have 7 virgins waiting for me, now isn’t that smart thinking? NOT, but that’s what we are dealing with folks, yes that is their mentality. And you can witness this disease right here in America, just look in the white house and other bldgs surrounding it, Obammy boy, Holder, Pelosi, Reid, Niapilatano, Kragan, Gibbs, Emanuale, etc. and this disease appears to be spreading rapidly. It must be stopped. Impeach them all and then convict them of their crimes.

    • Bob

      Patrick, you are obsessed with Muslims. I think a strong laxative will help. But then your head will shrink.

    • slickporsche

      A revolution will quickly eliminate most or all of them. Do not worry, you will see.

      • WallStreet

        Ha-Ha. Muslims are not our enemies, although with all this obnoxious talk they soon might be. The extremists are our enemies. And most of you are talking like extremists. I think you are the enemy. Zenophobic extremists.

        • Lubo

          Wallstreet….You must be KIN to the Flashman and Eddie47d? Typical radical progressive hate-filled response to anyone who would dare challenge YOUR opinion.

        • American Citizen

          You must not be listening to what the Muslims are saying. It is their obligation to make the whole world be Islamic. If you do not submit, you are an infidel and can/most likely will be killed.

        • blv54

          wallstreet did you know that according to muslim law you are to have your head chopped off for not believing in Allah, your not allowed to be an atheist because that makes you an infidel.

  • http://ADLCourtRuling Charles

    If the Judge that made the ruling about the Cross being a relidges sembel only then he or she is saying that the crosses on a grave in the national cemetary is wrong to.any one that has nothing better than to go around and try to get something like that changed had better go and stick his or her head under a rock and drop it.

  • Gib

    the cross is a symbol from Christianity and represents sacrifice. Most of the world knows the account of Christianity concerning The LORD Jesus Christ and His sacrifice of His life to allow all who repent and believe to have everlasting life. Government is not promoting Christianity but using that one aspect of that faith and the univrsal symbol of sacrifice to show the sacrifice of an officer of the law. Consider Arlington cemetary !!!!!!!

  • Thomas P. Young

    I STILL SAY this is One Nation Under GOD so the Supreme Court judges and all others should leave GOD alone. We need GOD more than GOD needs us.

    • slickporsche

      You got that right!!!

    • WallStreet

      In case you didn’t know, “under god” was not always in the pledge of allegiance. It was added either in the 1940s or 1950s.

      • JeffH

        BFD WallDungger,

        In 1954, in response to the Communist threat of the times, President Eisenhower encouraged Congress to add the words “under God,” creating the 31-word pledge we say today.
        Today it reads:

        “I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.”

  • Wim Peeters

    CAIR was involved as well, together with the Muslim Brotherhood. The message reached me, an hour ago, and I couldn’t believe it at first, so I double-checked it, and it is true. Once more it’s because of Muslims that our heroes aren’t heroes anymore, because Muslims say so !!! Do we take this, or do we fight back ???
    Are we eagles or dhimmies, paying taqyyia to Muslims ??? A Muslim has already taken over the White House, and Nancy Pelosi is suing everyone who’s against a mosque at Ground Zero !!!

  • http://MSN Ray

    I think Patrick is right.To all concerned if my CHRISTIAN beliefs offend you you are free to move to a Muslim cpuntry. Do my beliefs offend you do I look like I give a big RATS A&%.

    • http://Yahoo Ann

      I will gladly help them pack, including Obama!!!!!!!!!

  • David in Ma.

    “The way America is headed, it won’t be long before Uncle Scam gets bold enough to tell church members what they can and can’t say and do in church.”

    “Uncle Sam” Already has, it’s muzzeling preachers who speak scripture on homosexuality. AND, about what they can say in regards to a candidate or ballot question.

    AND, if,”crosses are a Christian religious symbol” than it would stand to reason that so are the requirements of religion that the muslims wearing of burka’s & headscarf’s and the jewish beenie would also be un-constitutional….Where is the outcry about that?

    The government must close the borders to all immigration, legal & illegal, these muslims especially are destroying America with their sharia law, which conflicts with American law and custom(and the illegals are destroying America financially)

    • WallStreet

      Why should a church tell its parishioners which candidates to vote for? Can’t church people think for themselves? I think the line in that piece from the Messiah is correct: “Are we like sheep?” YES you are!!!

      • JC

        Why should Unions have all the fun?

  • cheryl

    WHO WILL PROTECT THE CHRISTIANS?? The Muslims and Atheists are protected from our courts. Why is it ok to build a Mosque which sybolizes Islam ? But, a Cross that Sybolizes Christianity is outlawed. Our own Government is allowing A civil war to brew in America, what with illegal immigration, and mosques at The Ground Zero area. The American people because of our own Government is becoming divisive and full of hatred. Because before, It was Ok to have a cross, have a mosque, be an atheist. No one stopped those freedoms. But, now, they cannot be unfair to one without being unfair to the other.

    • EltonJ

      That’s because the elite are making war on Christianity.

    • WallStreet

      Are the muslims putting symbols on the roadside (public land)? Don’t think so. You can build churches, so why can’t they build their places of worship? Do you object when a synagogue or catholic church is planned?

      • Lubo

        Wallstreet…Obviously you don’t understand the nation of islam?

      • American Citizen

        It’s not the fact they want to put up a Mosque, it’s where. New York is full of mosques already. As was said on Fox News by someone the other night, where they want to put the mosque is in the financial district which has no need of a mosque. It’s a slap in the face to all Americans because it would be a symbol of victory. That’s how they operate.

      • JC

        Islam…the gift that keeps on killing.
        Stoning, raping….

        • Lubo

          JC…..you got that right and it has been going on for 1,000′s of years, well before America appeared on planet earth. But, just ask any “Progressive” and it’s all our fault! We made them that way! Just like we made another person lazy and poor. LOL!

          PS: With a progressive, “A mind is a terrible thing!”

  • http://gmail i41

    If a cross is a such an offence to these smucks, what about these muslim calls to worship every few hours, now that is an enfringeent by a particular religion. Never hear ACL, or any other loon toon characters from anti USA orgasnizations complain about the peophile muslims, and their invasive tatics. If it is public land, why is it a invasion of rights, public lands are for everyone to use twho is a citizen. Well it dove tails in the master plan of the Dept. of Interior plans. Being developed by the muslim marxist moron along with his crossbred Kenyon and the DOJ to take over control of privatly owned land by executive order and Congress doesn’t have any reason to vote on it. The government owns more than 1 out every 3 acres in the USA, and the government wonks can not take care of what they have now. Sell off government land and reservations and get the property on the tax rolls. Not more land taken off the tax rolls, which puts more burden on the taxpayers with no income production. just a plan out of Saul Alinsky, and Karl Marxs master plans to control and end this country. We get closer to a dictatorship run country every day.

    • WallStreet

      I you object to calls to worship, then no one can help you and you are doomed to hell. Do you live near a mosque? And BTW have any of you studied any religion but your own? I am a scholar of many religions, and most of them have the same basic message. I don’t believe in any of them, but I believe in the principals o the good old GOP.

      • Lubo

        Wallstreet….Since you are a scholar in all religions, then why don’t you educate us on the koran and it’s tolerance for other beliefs? While you are doing that, and since King Obama has stated that he is Christian, then explain to me what he means by “Collective Salvation”. Just curious how that works within the context of the Holly Scriptures and how that relates to the purpose of Jesus Christ?

        Again, educate us.

  • patrick

    Just add up all the little pieces, then you will start believing what the bible and other writings and teachings have been telling us all for thousands of years. All this crap: Obammy occupying the white house, a fake, a muslim, anti-christian, anti-American, appointing Kragan to the suprmem court, she lies about her past acts, she promotes abortion and queer gay lifestyle, build a muslim terroristic promoting mosque next to 9/11 site, health plan, union perc’s, gov’t job on the ride, entitlement’s, anti- Jewish administration, treat terrorists like regular criminals, don’t protect our borders, suits against our sister state’s, censor the media, etc. etc. on and on with issues most Americans are against! This is all leading up the next war a religous war to end all. Sorry folks but thats our future, be prepared.

    • slickporsche

      I’am, are you??

    • WallStreet

      OK if this religious war happens, it is on your shoulders,and your god will not be happy that you started it with so much hate and intolerance. And this makes you just like the Islamic extremists. Killing for your religion and your god.

      • Lubo

        Wallstreet… Just how neive are you? The man who is a self proclaimed scholar in ALL religions?? While you were getting your degree in theology, did you pass the final exam on REVELATIONS?

        You seem to appoint yourself as someone who understands GOD but your comments prove otherwise.

      • JC

        Wow you really are out of touch…
        How about defending our homeland?
        How about defending our rights and our property?
        How about defending our principles and Constitution
        from a murderous cult being foisted upon us?

        JUMP! :)

        • JeffH

          JC, you’re killing me…LMAO…JUMP!

    • American Citizen

      If there is another war in this country, it will be a civil war against the government, not a religious war. It will be against tyranny and the loss of our freedoms.

      • http://Bandit J Taylor

        Amer Citizen, I fear and agree with you. It will make the Civil War of 1861-1865 look like a walk in the park. Many innocent people will suffer horribly. And it might mean the end to our way of life and our country.

        By the way, off the subject; Why do they keep calling what our economy and jobless are going through–RECESSION ?

        Oddly enough within a year before my Mother passed away she told me “there will be another Depression”, maybe not in my life time. And I hope not in yours.

        What the Heck. Does our Government & controlled news media think we are really that Stupid? Ask anyone who has suffered losing everything they have worked their whole life for. I doubt they would use the word RECESSION.

  • David in Ma.

    There are several versions of the well-known statement attributed to the German anti-Nazi activist, Pastor Martin Niemöller……

    In Germany they first came for the Communists,
    and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist.

    Then they came for the Jews,
    and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew.

    Then they came for the trade unionists,
    and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist.

    Then they came for the Catholics,
    and I didn’t speak up because I was a Protestant.

    Then they came for me —
    and by that time no one was left to speak up.

    • JC

      Amen!
      Wisdom we should be very aware of at this time in our history.

  • Tony

    As I keep reading these posts I can only think “what a bunch of hypocrites”. It seems that the vast majority of you idiots believe that the constitution only relates to christians. Are you so stupid as to not realize that without religion you would have no argument.

    • Bruce D.

      If you were non religious and choice to put up a cross out of respect for the dead you would be discriminated against as judges are now making laws against religion which has been prohibited in the constitution. This judge has made an eroneous decision based on religious intolerance. The same kind of intolerance that people show towards you for having no religious bent. He should be impeached.

      • Tony

        Bruce D., you obviously did not read my earlier posts. I’m not offended by those crosses. I am offended by those that assume things about me out of ignorance.

    • WallStreet

      Hear Hear Tony. You are a very smart man, and not a sheep.

      • Tony

        Thanks WallStreet!

    • American Citizen

      It seems you atheists are easily offended. Why?

      • Tony

        American Citizen, read my reply to Bruce D.

    • JC

      The argument is not at all hypocrytical…the argument is are we, or are we not allowed to honor a fallen Policeman with a cross? Are we “free” to do that?
      Damned straight we are and I have no respect for any unAmerican Liberal Judge that says differently.
      And I have no intention of endorsing the remaking of America into a 7th century muslim state.

  • Gary

    What is it that all you atheists are afraid of? You do not believe in GOD, so what does it hurt for there to be a religious symbol erected somewhere? If the symbol is erected over or near where someone was killed or where their remains lay it is a reflection of that individuals beliefs, not what they expect you to beleive.

    You may think a man to be a fool to believe in God. Believe me I think you are a fool not to. The differeence is most of us understand that you are free to believe in nothing at all, just as I am free to believe in anything I choose.

    The Constitution promises freedom “OF” religion,not freedom from it. I don’t see how having a cross standing in a field or on the side of the road is pushing you to believe anything. At most it should just remind you that your beliefs whish are shared by some people, are different from the beliefs of many others. I think that it is people like you that have a fundamental misunderstanding of what freedom is.

    You say that you just wish people would just keep it personal. To those individuals the markers represent, it is personal.
    It is about them. It is not about you.

    Personally I wish you all would just shut up and mind your own business.

    • Tony

      I’m affraid that the religious fanatics will get us in another war with other religious fanatics and more innocent people will die for another stupid cause.

      • Lubo

        Tony…..I think you mean “fanatics” in general, do you not? What “fanatic” started WWII? Was it Christians, Jews or what? I would think that a “fanatic” could easily be any person whom suggests that their views are the only views and death to those who don’t comply.

        That statement seems fitting for the nation of islam, not Christians. If you don’t belive me, then read the koran, and then read the BIBLE, specifcally the New Testiment, or more specifically the WORDS IN RED, spoken by Jesus, and then tell be who you think is the “Fanatics”.

        I would also suggest to you, that the “Progressives” are extremely fanatical in their political beliefs. So do you consider them to be capable of starting a war?

      • Bubba

        Tony, I dare say that without “religious fanatics” you would NOT be here today. It was “religious fanatics” that risked their lives to come to America. It was “religious fanatics” that helped bring about the end to British rule in America. It was “religious fanatics” that worked hard to allow immigrants to come to America. Sadly, it is now “religious fanatics” who rule the White House and are trying to create Amerika!

        “Those who do not stand for something, will fall for anything.”
        Alexander Hamilton

      • slickporsche

        Yes sir Mr.Tony! When war starts, I will be looking for you, and although you will not be my first victom, you will be one of them. I do however feel some one will beat me and get to you first. Click!

        • vicki

          Government agitator

          • Lubo

            vicki…appears to be a “progressive hack”.

        • Tony

          slickporsche, you are the type of sick fanatic that everyone should be afraid of. My oldest son died in Iraq defending our country against SOB’s like you.

          • http://gunner689 gunner689

            Tony; my deepest condolances. It hurts our future to lose heroes like your son while cowards stay home and breed. May there be a seat at the great table in ValHalla for him and all of our lost warriors.
            Remember him with pride and love.

          • Lubo

            Tony…..Well said! I think ole “Slick” is a “Progressive hack” just trying to start trouble. I see this all the time across a wide range of blogs.

          • libertytrain

            Tony, my sympathies as well. Been dealing with Iraq and Afghanistan for a long time now in my family as well. Counting the days till my girl gets back in country – this would be her 4th deployment. She should be back over the weekend. Been a long year this time through. I don’t know exactly how you feel, but I certainly have been able to imagine the pain too many times.

      • JC

        You’re right they will, and we should deport them back to whatever third world rat hole they’re from.

    • WallStreet

      Maybe you should take the “shut up and and mind your own business” to heart.

      • Lubo

        Wallstreet…..You feeling a little foolish yet?

      • JC

        Jump you criminal bastard JUMP! :)
        Wall Street…what an incredibly stupid thing to call yourself.

  • http://www.SaveLakeAtitlan.org Duende

    I have to admit that fundamentalism of any religion makes me a bit nervous and I certainly wouldn’t enjoy living by laws passed by such a mind set. I’d just like it if Atheism was recognized as a religion and that these fundamentalist atheists are pushing their agenda on the public. I’d like to see prayer in school…. 15 minutes of it. Christians, probably the large majority could stay in the their classes while Muslims, Jews, Buddhas, Hindus, you name it could go and do their own thing (as dictated by the parents) Children of atheists could just have a study hall where they read. Maybe a book with nothing but blank pages….. a little Zen humor there :-)

    Paz

    Duende

    • Christin

      I think you are on to something there Duende.

      Atheism does seem to be a type of religion where there is no God or no separate God, except themselves as the supreme being to make all the decisions and in control their own lives. (Kind of almost sounds like “New Age” doesn’t it?)

      Would LOVE to have prayer back in school.

      • Jo

        ATHEIST FUNERAL:

        A person all dressed up and nowhere to go… Sad, but true!

        • Bruce D.

          Now that is funny!

          • slickporsche

            Yes that really is funny and I will have a lot of difficulty to stop laughing so hard. LMAO WOW that is a good one.

        • JeffH

          Ah, not so fast! Gotta feed the worms.

      • http://www.SaveLakeAtitlan.org Duende

        New Agers for the most part believe in the sacred.. spirit… universal conscience.. God. They feel we are intimately connected to god on a one to one basis.(something Jesus was crucified for since that would put the rabis out of work) When new agers say we are god it is meant in the same context that one could say a wave is actually the ocean. Most religions/spiritual philosophies are arguing about the relationship between waves and the ocean. An atheist is a wave that’s trying to deny the existence of water. Me… I love to swim.
        Paz

        Duende

      • WallStreet

        Apparently you know nothing of athesism. And why do we need prayer in school? Are the children so stupid or insecure or unconvinced that you are afraid they’ll “stray” from your teachings during school? Have prayer in religious schools where it belongs.

        • JC

          In Lieu of communism in public schools like we have now?
          You’re a regular riot! GOP…yeah, sure you are…

        • Lubo

          Wallstreet….can we throw out the kids singing “um um um…. Barack Hussien Obama”, as well?

        • http://www.SaveLakeAtitlan.org Duende

          Hey Wallstreet

          >Apparently you know nothing of athesism.
          I actually considered my self an atheist for years.. Tell me what you think one is.

          > And why do we need prayer in school? Are the children so stupid or insecure or unconvinced that you are afraid they’ll “stray” from your teachings during school? Have prayer in religious schools where it belongs.

          Well.. the majority of the country actually believes in some form of higher power/spiritual entity/god/energy/whatever. Amongst that group are Christians who are the majority. They pay taxes for the school system and most don’t have the income for a private school on top of that expense. The government mandates they put their children in one of these schools for the largest part of the day, away from family influence where prayer may be something that is observed. I think it’s only right that they have a time set aside for prayer during the day. It’s wrong to force a child of a non christian home to participate of course and there should be provision made for the CHOICE of all parents. And as I said, if a child’s parents are atheist that child can just study during that period of time.

          And home school is not always practical but you will find many Christians do do home schooling.

          This country is about no taxation without representation and most assuredly the Christians are not being represented in a government mandated program. But they will be. Let’s just make sure it’s not a majority rules situation or your kid may have to go to a private non-religious school because of the belligerence of fundamentalist atheists. Luckily most Christians only want choice for all.. it’s just the fundamentalists that are making it crazy for both sides of the issue.

      • Tony

        I have no problem with prayer in school as long as it is by choice.

        • Lubo

          Agreed, choice being the key word.

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Paul W. Brock

    James Madison commented on the Constitution by stating (paraphrasing) “The Constitution was meant for a religious people; it can govern no other.” The steady but effective war against religion coincides with the slow deterioration of our foundational principles of personal responsibility and respect for fellowman will bring this government down by and by. If I have to explain it, you won’t understand. A religious people will not harm their neighbor, accept personal responsibility (not welfare), is charitable, will not lie cheat or steal. The moral basis for this is accountability to God. The Government is the god today and a poor replacement. The government promotes the opposite of religion. Dependency, heavy taxes, welfare state, lack of responsibility are all antithesis of religion. The deterioration of society corresponds with the driving out of religion from the public discourse and social structure. By and by this nation will fall without religion.

    • Gary

      Very well said. I totally agree.

    • Bob

      Paul I would like to welcome you. We need more intelligent people here.

  • Tony

    To all of you so called christians that would like for us athiests to just go away and shut up: how many times have you had an athiest knock on your door to spread the word?

    • crystal

      Don’t answer the door. Not every Christian is a Jehovah’s Witness. Put a “No Soliciting” sign on your door. This is not complicated. Wait a minute, I take that back — this is not complicated for anyone other than atheist.

      • American Citizen

        I’m not sure Jehovah’s Witnesses are Christian. I’ve had them at the door, take the tract and throw it in the trash. I’ve never read one entirely as I couldn’t get past the first few paragraphs.

    • Gary

      If you atheists don’t want people sharing thier beliefs or as you all so often put it “pushing their beliefs” on you, why is it you guys are doing the same thing all across the country with your billboards.
      There is a difference between sharing your beliefs and just criticizing others for theirs.

      • Tony

        You miss the point. I wouldn’t dare infringe on your rights. There are many athiests that will, just the same as there are many christians that will. For me it’s simple, no religion equals nothing to argue about. You obviously haven’t read my other posts. I and my sons have fought for your rights and my oldest died for them. Untill you can find it within yourself to understand THAT you will always make assumptions about me because I don’t believe in your god.

        • Gary

          Thank you Tony for your service and thanks to your sons as well.
          I did read your posts. I have no problem with your beliefs; none what so ever. Clearly some of the points I have made do not apply to you.
          The point I am making is more about freedom than about religion.
          I don’t even like the word religion. I am Christian. My beliefs are personal. To me the issue is the FREEDOM to believe or not to believe; to practice or not to practice whatever it is we choose.
          As long as your or my own belief does not force anything on another we should be free to believe or practice what we choose.

          Just because you or I don’t want to look at a symbol of someones belief doesn’t give you the right to have it removed unless that symbol takes away your rights.

          This is about freedom.

          • Tony

            Thank you Gary! We are in agreement. I will stand and fight for our freedom anytime and anywhere. I just hope that we can all fight together. I was once told by a man that claimed to be a christian that if we ever had to stand and fight for freedom that I as an athiest would be the first one he would shoot. Yet I have fought for his freedom in the past.

          • Lubo

            Gary….well said and I also appreciate the sacrifices paid by Tony and his family. I also repect Tony’s right to believe or not believe but that does not exempt me from trying to convince him of the TRUE LIVING GOD. If Tony rejects my testimony, then that is Tony’s right to do so.

            Our entire existence on this planet is based upon personal choice that was endowed on us by a creator. That is the reason that the constitution gives the federal government VERY limited powers so they cannot mandate our choices in life. Like in OBAMACARE for example. GOD gave us our rights, not men, and in the end, we will ALL answer to GOD, not any MAN and certainly not congress.

          • JeffH

            Lubo, part of what Tony is saying is that he doesn’t want anyone trying to convert him. No means no in any language. That is a choice he has the right to make as everyone has that choice, still.

          • Lubo

            JeffH….No argument from me and I think if you will re-read my comments, that is what I stated. Given that, it still does not exempt me from my duty as a Christian to give a non-believer my testimony.

            It is perfectly fine after that for him to say to me “Lubo…Get lost” and eventually I will, peacefully.

            That was all I was saying.

            Good day my friend.

          • JeffH

            Lubo, not a problem fellow patriot.

        • Bob

          Correction You fought for Wall Street.

    • Bob

      Tony you’re trying to spread your BS on this website. It’s eassier than going door to door.

      • Tony

        Bob, I called you an idiot before and now I’m doing it again. You obviously haven’t read any of my earlier posts or you would know that I’m not trying to convert anyone or maybe you have doubts about your faith and find me a challenge to them through my honest reasoning.

        • Lubo

          Tony…..Honest reasoning has nothing to do with spiritual faith. In other words, you cannot prove or disprove GOD with man-made earthly science nor with any type human reasoning.

          “Faith is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not yet seen”.

    • slickporsche

      Well, Mr.Tony, there is one at our door right now!! LOL hahahaha

      • Tony

        You sir are an a$$ and may you fall face first in you camel’s dung.

        • Lubo

          Tony….again, ole “Slick” is a progressive hack that’s not worth a response one way or the other.

  • Christian American

    We support Muslims to the extreme but shun anything resembling Christianity. To all you Atheist, you will wish you had the opportunity to live again when you die and find out there is a God.
    But how can you argue with the idea that we all materialized out of dust! What a great Theory!
    We honor your right to believe as you wish, but you are infringing on our rights.

  • http://gmail i41

    Tony balogna, just a typical socialist democrat. Educated just enough to hurt themselves and everything around them. You must be a muslim, you dislike Christainity, beleive in an self centered ideology. Do you have a clay fingerine, or a rabbit foot, and work for the government and stay with your good buddy!

    • Tony

      Another idiot making assumptions. I’m a registered Republican and have owned my own small business for many years. I dislike the muslim religion and find many of their beliefs offensive as I dislike all religions that attempt to dictate to people, christianity included. I find it offensive to be told that I will go to hell for my lack of belief in a god. In my way of thinking it is a cruel religion that would wish eternal damnation on anyone other than a rapist or murderer or anyone that would impose their beliefs on anyone else.

      • Bubba

        Tony, your country thanks you and your sons for their service for freedom. When people who call themselves Christian try to persuade you to believe the same as they do, they are trying to help you avoid the sad bleak eternity that awaits anyone who does not accept the Jesus of history and the Bible. Whatever your beliefs, you are first and foremost entitled to them, that is your right and I would be the first to fight to defend that right. In fact, I will go so far as to say that God is such a gentleman that HE also would defend your right to believe the way you do, or don’t do, because He made you with free will to choose. Upon your passing from this life, He will honor the choice you have made on this earth – if you want nothing to do with Him, He will honor that and you will spent all eternity seperated from Him (which is as good a definition of Hell as I have understood). Thanks for being brave enough to air your views in the face of a lot of the cruel comments posted as replies to yours.

        • Tony

          Thank you Bubba. I respect your beliefs but do not believe in them myself. Please take no offense for none is meant.

      • Lubo

        Tony…..Study up on the life of the Apostle Paul. Im not certin but you seem to imply that only certin types of sin will get you in hell or not get you in hell. I hope that you are not suggesting that any and ALL SINS cannot be forgiven? Because if that is the case, then none of us will ever see the promise land. Regardless of what you have done in your life or what I have done in my life, redemption is only one step away, through Christ Jesus.

        “I will cast your sins as far away as the east is from the west and remember them no more.”

        In other words, your SIN debt has been paid in full by Jesus on the Cross and he will stand with you, as your advocate, on the day of judgement.

        • Gary

          Lubo, I understand what you are saying and I believe it to be good.
          The problem is so many christians have not learned how to share thier faith without alienating or bashing someones beliefs. What we as Christians need to do is behave as ambassadors to Christ. If we do not do this in love we are doing it for nothing. It will not be received at all. Our actions will speak louder than our words. If by our actions or our own words we offend, we would have been better to say nothing. Nobody wants to be told they are wrong. It is up to us to spread his word and let the Holy Spirit do the rest.

          • Lubo

            Gary……Thank you for your comments and I agree with you. Sometimes we forget the peaceful nature of our beliefs within our worldly frustrations.

            I have many difficulties in my life, and I’m sure you do as well, so let us continue to reinforce one another, in the Faith.

            Peace be with you.

          • vicki

            Besides we do not know they are wrong. We believe they are wrong. (In our heart of hearts we know)

            We support other peoples right to their belief.

            To avoid alienating others we try to express Christs nature with every word and deed. We try to lead not dictate. We try to show the way not force the way. It is by this that our character and eventually our soul shall be judged.

          • American Citizen

            I agree. As St. Francis said, “Preach the Gospel at all times. When necessary, use words.” In other words, they will know we are Christian by our love, not by force, intimidation or in your face. We can pray anywhere, just don’t have to do it visibly by kneeling on a prayer rug or saying the words out loud. Jesus said to pray always and to do it in the inner room, meaning your heart.

          • Lubo

            Vicki and American Citizen….great posts! Well said!

  • Kitty Kutchmark

    IF THE ATHIESTS DO NOT BELIEVE IN GOD OR ANYTHING PERTAINING TO RELIGION………………THEN THEY SHOULD BE STRONG ENOUGH TO IGNORE SOMETHING THAT’S NO CONCERN TO THEM. aha….THEY MUST BE THINKING NOW AND POSSIBLY BELILEVING IN A GOD. If I see something I don’t believe in, I just have the sense to ignore it.

    • Tony

      Please don’t be so narrow minded Kitty.

  • Mary

    These comments remind me…
    Where do you think our nation is today?
    1. From bondage to spiritual faith;
    2. From spiritual faith to great courage;
    3. From courage to liberty;
    4. From liberty to abundance;
    5. From abundance to complacency;
    6. From complacency to apathy;
    7. From apathy to dependence;
    8. From dependence back into bondage’

    • Lubo

      Mary….I would suggest somewhere between 7 and 8.

    • American Citizen

      #7, rapidly approaching #8.

  • Ron

    I wonder how long it’s going to be before they decide that all tombstone crosses on public property is unconstitutional. There are a lot of soldiers in various cemetaries across the country ( Arlington,,,_ with crosses for tombstones – are they going to have to remove them all too?

  • http://none draper b. gregory

    Interesting. The group’s sensitivities must have been severely impacted. Oh dear. If they’re that sensitive, how can they possibly in good faith, ignore the miracles that are around us every dam day in the week.No answer to that one.All the best, and keep united. Draper

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Randy

    Cheryl, we only have ONE protector and it dang sure ain’t our self righteous “leaders” in dc. They think if they can discriminate against, and try to outlaw, anything to do with GOD that he will just cease to exist and they will not be held accountable for their actions.
    We have sat on our holy butts and allowed this to happen. We are so afraid to speak the truth for fear we will insult or disrespect somebody, and yet we get dis’d on a daily basis for our beliefs. We haven’t begun to see how bad it is going to be yet. Will we stand for the one true GOD when the muslims, who are already in control of our country (who do you think barry is getting his directions from?) are lining us up to be beheaded if we don’t follow them? A religion of peace and love, huh? Oh well, I’ve read the back of THE BOOK and we win anyway. And hflashdude, I just said a prayer for you, I hope you’re not offended.

  • Tony

    One last post today. As an athiest, I’d like to wish all of you well and hope that someday we can all just get along. I won’t make assumptions about you and please don’t make them about me. Freedom is the most important thing here.

    • Gary

      Well said Tony.
      Best to you too.

    • Bob

      Can’t we all get along. Are you really Rodney King?

      • Tony

        Bob, do you have anything constructive to say? Ever?

    • Christin

      I am glad that you are a fellow conservative.
      Freedom, Liberty and Rights for all Patriotic American Citizens.

    • Lubo

      Tony….Well said and may GOD be with you.

      “May the peace of GOD that transcends all undestanding guard your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.”

      Peace be with you my brother and thank you for your service to our nation.

      Lubo

  • American Citizen

    Flashman, I believe, said above that his taxes pay for the roads, therefore, he has a right not to see crosses alongside it. How about those of us who pay taxes and want to see the crosses marking a fatality? The state has to be neutral in this. If a cross bothers atheists, that’s their problem. It means they are not really one hundred percent sure that God does not exist.

    • American Citizen

      Further, they are trying to outlaw His existence. Won’t work, dudes. His might is greater than the government’s.

    • Bob

      There are millions of people who pay no taxes. Does that mean they have to stay in their homes?

      • Lubo

        Bob… no it means they should go to work and pay taxes.

  • Average Joe

    It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so.
    Robert A. Heinlein

    • Gary

      That is why the Constitution is so important.
      It cannot be a “living document” to change with the times.
      If it changes with the times it is no longer a constitution.
      At most the constitution should be interpreted by the courts.
      The judicial was never intended to legislate or make law from the bench!

      • JC

        And we need to get back to it in a strict sense…Quick!

  • mitch

    We need to explain the outrage this decision produces, the court house’s and government buildings with inscribed biblical quotes, the national cemetaries of our fallen hero’s covered in crosses and star of david headstones, acres and acres of crosses on public lands reminding us on a daily basis of those Christians and Jews who have given their lives so We the people could enjoy the freedoms we have and now are losing, when the muslim’s out number us this freedom is one of the things that shria laws will make illegal and punishable, we the Christian nation take heed what freedom is taking away from us, a mosque here a temple there and soon christians are a minority to be squashed, Jeffersons letter was only to prevent a church run state like was in the old country England where teh Pope hade more power then the King, that was the origanal seperation discussed, if the politicians and the judges control what is taught in school history classes they control the youth and will soon control the country.

  • George McClellan

    I saw a great definition of atheism on a blog somewhere but I forgot where. But, it said: Atheism is defined as “We come from nothing, we are here for no reason, and we are going nowhere”. I couldn’t have said it better.

    Why the moronic judges keep redefining the constitution incorrectly will remain a mystery to all. The words there are plain enough.

  • Mike V

    Being the first generation born in the USA from my Russian and Italian immigrant parents, there have been many symbols in our family. Raised in a Catholic atmosphere was scary as a kid and I don’t consider myself a religious prson. My own sense of who I am and who I believe God to be is where I find my comfort zone. A cross on the side of the road tells me someone lost their life at that location, nothing more. If anything, it reminds me to be cautious in that area. My Jewish wife and I find the roadside crosses to be a reminder to all driver’s, don’t be foolish here. A high percentage of crosses exist in areas considered dangerous. How’s this? Maybe states could determine the religious status of those who perished at these sites and erect the appropriate symbol with a recognized color indicating someone has lost their life here. The color gold could be utilized if the individual lost their life in the line of duty. A universal, reverant symbol would be erected for those with no preference. Atheists could get a big black circle indicating non-believing. We could monitor any desecration of these monuments to a life lost and charge individuals with a hate crime. That;’s bound to make someone happy. It is sad that such a solemn symbol indicating the loss of a human life is constantly under attack. Personally I believe they actually serve a useful public purpose. Why is it those who choose to attack this symbol never seem to offer an alternate idea to honor those who have fallen? Why is it all or nothing with these groups. The Constitution simply states that government shall not promote any one religion over another. It does not ban religious symbols from public land, that notion has been dreamed up by those who find themselves uncomfortable around people who believe in a devine higher power. Most times the crosses have been erected by loved ones anyway not some government entity. Get over yourselves and do something productive for a change and quit being so thin skinned. What would offend me? A swatstica (sp) or a cycle and a hammer or a new symbol that is supposed to reprsent the flag of my Country.

  • Art Hotchkiss

    I have in the past and will continue to offer a $1,000.00 (yes, that’s one thousand dollars US) to the person or persons who will be kind enough to send me the sections of the US Constitution that speaks of the “separation of Church and State”. Please forward to:
    PO Box 6914
    Nikiski, AK 99635

    I have had no takers at the present time. (surprise?)

    • slickporsche

      Good one Art! Keep up the good work.

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      better pull the offer before BO and friends do they’re re-write of the Constitution. That wording will be in the revised addition.

  • JeffH

    ENGLISH TRANSLATION:

    ACCION DE THEORIZE this DETRAS of these decisions-Seria unconstitutional if someone would like to each person in his body or property to place crosses.

    This subject will withdraw the crosses of all the tombs of the nation? -TO FETISH MORE STUPID. Crosses you horrified as vampire film? -My opinion is an atheist.

    Mandara fool some destruction NotreDame in Paris, Rome, Cologne Cathedral, SanPedro, etc.?

    • JeffH

      Sorry everyone, it appears the individuals original post in spanish has been deleted.

  • Earl

    If you can’t or won’t read or speak English, why are you responding on an obviously English-speaking website? Most people here don’t read Spanish! I do, but how do you expect to have your comment read? DUH!

  • http://gmail i41

    Well if Tony wants to be a atheitist hop to it, I beleive in Christanity, as I did when fighting and as my daughters and son laws have served in the military and some still, God guides us every day amd hopefully will bring Tony to the right understanding. I have had a couple uncles who were atheitists are pretty sorry individuals untill kicked them really hard in the heas and they wole up a year before they died and found the Lord. They were socialist democrats and even Republicans can be self centered lost souls.

    • Tony

      i41, Who is being self centered here? Read your own name!

  • Larry Gillihan

    The constitution says the government cannot make any laws “respecting the establishment of religion”. How can it “ban” religious objects from public property if they can’t make laws about religion? The government has no authority except what it is allowed to have by the constitution. Where does the constitution give the supreme court the authority to ban religious objects from public places? Unless the government is given that authority in the constitution, they do not have it. If a majority of the people in an area want a cross on public property, the government has nothing to say about it. If some are offended by it, let them assemble a majority and get rid of it. It’s none of the federal government’s business, and the supreme court thinks it can override the will of the people. We should simply tell them “no”.

  • http://mog7@cox.net06042CT James Francis

    “Appeal may go as far as the Supreme Court”?????? Lordy lordy lordy,
    have you not heard anything of what has gone on in the supreme court
    since the current curse in the white house? The attorneys would be lucky to get out of court without being castrated. A supreme court that wouldn’t affirm the very eligiblity of a U.S.president is going to give a hoot about a cross? You felt nothing of the sinking of THE
    AMERICA? A supreme court that takes NO ACTION against a sect that loudly proclaims intent to OVERTHROW THE U.S. GOVERNMENT AND REPLACE IT WITH SHARIA LAW would give GOD a hearing? Good luck with that, boys.

  • http://mog7@cox.net06042CT James Francis

    How strange an atheist should put up so much fuss over a cross, which
    has been generic jewelry since forever. Are they afraid they are going to burst into flames? Why are muslims DETERMINED AND INTENT on erecting a mosque at GROUND ZERO? With souless and mindless gall, they ask HOW LONG WILL THIS HATRED LAST? WHOSE HATRED? Was it LOVE that took 3,000 LIVES? Is it LOVE that turns so many muslims into TERRORISTS? WAs the massacre at Fort Hood LOVE????? Pray tell, America, do you KNOW what emotion is in back of SHARIA LAW? HATRED.
    Aka declares disgustedly AMERICANS DON’T ACCEPT PEOPLE WHO ARE DIFFERENT????? oH? since when have muslims ACCEPTED that AMERICA’S LAWS WERE ESTABLISHED LONG LONG LONG BEFORE THEIR APPEARANCE AND those who didn’t like it should have stayed home. Sharia Law is uncivilized and beastly. No part of it can be from GOD. Therefore, from whence does it come? And if not from GOD, from him who is against GOD? Now that is a believable scenario. Followers of those AGAINST GOD. Logical. The end justifies the means. Lies, murder, deceit of every form, — all A-OK in the muslim book of justice. After all, aren’t they asked to kill the infidel and to use any method to rid the world of them so that ISLAM CAN CONTROL THE WORLD? There’s an answer, America. be so very careful of who you’re letting in the door.

    • Patrick D.

      Well stated my good man. Where are the women….why are they silent..where is NOW??? Do they not know what these muslem beasts represent???

      In this country we can tolorate many things, but the treatment of women as these idealogs show is totaly and morally unacceptable…

    • American Citizen

      To Muslims, assimilation means we all become Muslim.

  • Russell Sebring Fl.

    There has been a lot of debate about the separation of church and state, but missing from the debate is civilization.
    But what is civilization? According to Webster, 1. Civilizing or being civilized 2. The total culture of a people, period etc. 3. The peoples considered to have reached a high social development. Civility; 1.politeness 2. Courtesy 3. A civil or polite act.
    Are we really civilized? If you said yes you haven’t read the newspaper or listened to the radio or watched TV for a while.
    In order to solve any problem, the cause of the problem must be found. I have chosen to start with our ancestors before they became civilized.
    If we look at today’s wild animals, we find that anything goes. They are selfish, greedy, deceitful, and anything else that promotes their survival. They also use violence to establish a “pecking order or their attempt to become the alpha male. Is human behavior any different?
    Today’s humans have a great imagination. Look at all the stories that have been written such as Harry Potter, Wizard of Oz, Star Trek, and many, many more. Did our ancestors possess that trait?
    When and how did civilization begin?
    Some form of communication had to be in place so as to transmit the belief of one generation to the next. Just how did the beliefs get started? Thunder and lighting can be pretty menacing, and not understanding nature, assumed that a spirit had caused it and that it was because of their action that displeased the spirit. As time went on more and more phenomenon’s were seen as caused by spirits which modified their actions. Because of their beliefs, “a crude form of religion” civilization was started..
    By the time recorded history was started religion was well established. And each nation had their own religion. With the same ideology the people had no problem with celebrating religious holidays. There was no one to complain that it was held on government property.
    When Christianity first appeared there was little tolerance for the new religion. As a matter of fact there was little tolerance for any thing new. Up to this time, religion was government sponsored and would continue until our constitution. Our founding fathers took the government out of religion while allowing religion in government. “Congress shall make no laws respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;”
    Even today, religions are keeping civil in civilization, that is most religions. After all, what we believe in guides our lives. Civilization hasn’t been around long enough that we can not eliminate intensive training of the young to subdue our animal instincts.
    Multi-culture and diversity are fine if we develop a thick skin. Our country is a republic were the majority rule with protection of the minority. Sometimes the minority rule through the miss reading of the constitution. When the minority wants the majority to stop a pageantry etc. and the only reason is that it taxes their sensitivity. Then harmony is put on the back burner.

    • Lou

      We continually hear that our country is a democracy. The only democracy that I am aware of was the one in ancient Greece where everyone voted on literally everything. We are a Representative Republic. We vote for a representative who may or may not vote as we would desire. We are not a democracy, but we can make our voices heard. These voices can spread like a wild fire in a forest if we are willing to make the effort and are brave enough to raise them and to be heard regardless of the cost. Our founding Fathers were willing to do so despite what the revisionists of history are trying to brainwash us with. If we Christians and other religious groups stand up and speak our mind eventually we will find others are encouraged enough to do the same. PRAYER will undoubtedly give us the courage to do the right thing and to speak the truth. Without prayer we will be confused and misguided and misdirected and begin to question our ability to know what the truth is and to not have the moral fibre to speak it. We must be humble, give thanks and praise to our Creator and be obedient to His will and the ultimate result will be a good one for all. Wake up America to the Will of God before it is too late! He, in His infinite wisdom, will arrange all for our collective good. That I am sure of.

      • Lubo

        I agree!

  • DLC

    Skull and crossbones would be a fitting alternative to crosses , crescents, or stars of David.

    They symbolize a death, but they also symbloize the piracy that our government is perpetrating on people in every facet of our lives.

  • Daniel

    I think it’s time we struck back at this people that don’t seem to believe in anything that they don’t want to and don’t want anyone else to do so. They’re not the type that believe in living and letting others live there own lives. Ours is a free country and because of it, They’re taking advantage of the rest of us. so why don’t we start thinking of what we can do to stop them?

  • NormP

    Freedom means you have the right to do what is right. Removing the crosses is infringement on the right of those suffering the loss to do what they believe is right. In this country you are supposed to have the right to do as you please as long as you are not clearly HARMING someone else. These crosses are clearly NOT harming anyone. Non- believers, toughen up. NO-ONE is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to convert … yet. If Islam is successful at instituting sharia law in this country (this IS their goal) you WILL be forced to convert probably at gunpoint. There won’t be any Christians around to help you then, we’ll all be dead.

    • Lubo

      NormP…..VERY good point! I often wonder if those who oppose ever pondered the question of just where their rights and freedoms flow. Certainly they cannot be nieve enough to think it is Washington?

      It will be a very DARK PERIOD in the world when the nation of islam has conquered America. We cannot and MUST NOT let that happen!

      Defeat is not an option!

  • http://Yahoo Ann

    Good answer. To bad we cannot consentrate on the good and leaving the picking to congress as that is what they do best!!!!!

  • http://YouTube.com/CanadaLarry Lawrence Edward Calcut

    In the third century, before the document we call the Bible was assembled by the powers at Rome, the symbol that represented the individual as a Christion, a followers of the teaching of Jesus, was the Fish. Maybe we should start using that as an alternative to the cross. They will have to go back to court again and maybe this time the Lucifarien Judges will back down and Ok them. I have seen many cars with a fish symbol on them. but very few with a cross.
    I am going to have both (a ctoss and a fish) with a small “=” sign between them and have them placed on my car.

    • Lubo

      Bea-uti-mus!

    • Lou

      A Cross and a Fish……Bravo!

  • 45caliber

    One man has placed the exact same number of crosses designed the same way on his private property in a location that is easily seen from the road. (wnd.com) The same group is trying to insist that he is illegally placing the state police emblem on the crosses – even though it was on the originals too. They want to know if he had permission to use the symbol. He stated that the police had delivered them to him. They never quit trying, do they?

  • http://www.MicahPeak.org jbrodhead

    What part of the “Establishment Clause of the First Amendment, which mandates a separation of church and state.” does that happen to be???

    Who the hell re-wrote the US Constitution?

    My copy says:
    “…CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAW RESPECTING AN ESTABLISHMENT OF RELIGION, OR PROHIBITING THE FREE EXERCIZE THEREOF.”

    SCOTUS IS NOT A LEGISLATIVE BODY, EXCEPT IN THAT IT CAN DETERMINE THE CONSTITUTIONALITY OF LAW(S), NOR IS POTUS AND ITS THUGS ARE NOT A LEGISLATIVE BODY.

    THE STATES ARE NOT “CONGRESS”, THEY ARE SOVEREIGN ENTITIES, WHICH BY THE CONSENT OF THEIR CITIZENS, ARE TO ACT IN THE INTEREST OF THEIR CITIZENS AND ACT TO KEEP THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IN CHECK; IN ITS PLACE.

    There are few areas, in which the Constitution of the USA determines behavior of the States and virtually none which determine the behavior of We the People. The only thing I consider Obama to have said correctly, it that the US Constitution is a document of NEGATIVE laws – mostly telling the Federal (FERAL) government what it cannot do to you.

    America, We the People have allowed a stealth invasion to overtake OUR Federal government.

    • Lou

      We the people have allowed this stealth invasion to take place because we do not PRAY enough and have lost our collective humility and our willingness to praise and to thank our Creator for all of his blessings which we seem to think that we deserve and have taken for granted. Humility and obedience to the Will of our Creator will defeat the enemy who is pushing us collectively into folly. Foolishness is the right word to describe almost all of what our government has done in the past and what it is currently doing. Because of our rejection of our beloved Creator, God has allowed the fools to rule us. How long are we willing to suffer this foolishness before we turn back to our Creator and humbly prostrate ourselves before His saving power. Wake up America before it is too late!

      • Lubo

        Excellent!! Well said!

  • ChuckL

    Well, Nina sure knows how to misrepresent the First Amendment. The First Amendment contains nothing about “religious symbols”. It prohibits the government from creating a single government official religion, and prohibits the government from interfering in anyone’s practice of their chosen religion.

    When properly interpreted, the First Amendment prohibits the government from acting in any manner when the subject is religion. This decision must be based either on the theory that all Christian religions are identical and unified, not separate religions. which doesn’t fit with the various Bibles that are claimed as official by various Christian religions, or it is based on the theory that the First Amendment prohibits any display of a religious symbol which would of course prevent the “free exercise thereof”.

    The court is WRONG. The ADL is WRONG. The question is: With the newly appointed Supreme Court Justices, will they be able to understand the difference between a religion and a religious symbol?

    • hflashman

      Jeesh….again..this entire thread is ample proof that anything…anything with any religion should not have any government aid or support. No display on public proterty, no mnies, no tax exemptions of any kind, nothing. I don’t care what religion it is…and I am not an atheist. No state infuence of any kind.

      Bunch of certified nutcases…

      • vicki

        HFlashman missed the clause after the comma.
        “…,or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;…”

      • American Citizen

        Public property belongs to all of us who pay taxes.

  • http://yahoo.com Gisela

    I am not suprised that this Judge in Utath made that desission.Isn’t he cowtowing to Obama?? and Obama dos not want us to have national Prayer Day either but I saw In a Video where he took his shoes off to join the Muslims in Prayer and we suppose to think he is a christian ? as long as I live I believe he is a Traiter and a Muslim out to ruin us.Wake up Americans
    God Bless the Patroleman and Woman who gave their life to protect us.

  • Dee

    I’m sick of this damn government. The athiests will go to hell.
    The government is trying to take our Christian beliefs away from
    us. God will not be pleased with this.

  • JeffH

    Todays Darwin Award goes to WallStreet aka WallDunger, todays board harpy.

  • WallStreet

    The government is doing noting of the sort. You can and will always believe what you believe in your heart and mind. No one can take that away. Here’s a thought – why not just leave flowers along the highway instead of a religious symbol? Then there would be no argument.

    • Jim H.

      Wall Street, Why don’t we give up what ever we believe in so we don’t risk offending some thin skinned cry baby. Maybe we want our loved ones to be remembered in the way we see fit. Here’s a thought why don’t people mind there own business and quit worrying about stuff that doesn’t concern them. What’s the BIG DEAL about some crosses along a highway?

    • vicki
      • Jim H.

        Hi vicki, I was glad to see the dandelion On that list. Thank You. Every spring my lawn will be a symbol of Christs passion. Until my atheist neighbor takes me to court.

    • Lubo

      Wallstreet,,, that may well insult the peace lillies!

    • Lou

      Giving in to the evil forces who would deny us our freedom of religion would result ultimately, as history has shown time and again, in the loss of religious freedom.

      Fervent religious practice results in enabling the prayerful person to acquire a backbone strong enough to stand up to those who would turn us away from our Creator. Not only does it provide moral fibre but it give us the insight, understanding and knowledge to guide our own life and to avoid compromising with the devil and his works. One of his goals is to turn us away from our Creator and make no mistake his hatred for humanity is severe, i.e., severe enough to do anything to turn us into immoral idiots and ultimately to turn us away from God. Be alert to those who willingly or unknowingly do the bidding of the evil one.

    • Tony

      WallStreet, it does no good to argue with closed minded people. They will always see things only in their way. The sad thing is that they are in the majority and until something happens to make them realize their primative, irrational and dilusional beliefs are false we shall have to suffer their ridicule. I do not wish any of them harm regardless of the harm that they wish upon me. I refuse to try and awaken them as that would be an open invitation for their attempts on me. I only speak out when I find their comments assumptive and blatently offensive. I give myself that right because I believe that through my sacrifices for them that I deserve at least that. Good luck and I wish you continued success always.

  • Patricia

    Sadly, we who have religious values are spit upon so that this gov’t can remain polictically correct. Everything that has and is happening in our country is being orchestrated from the bowels of our house. It is so obvious that their goal is to bring all of us to our knees and beg for them to take care of us. Nothing done by the statist governing our country is for the good of the American people. They will continue as long as they control Washington to strip us of every right we have had. Coming next will be Tarp/crap and trade!,take away our firearmns, immigration laws to allow all illegals the rights that we should have, the shut-down of FOX and any radio or TV station that dares to be critical of BO and his cronies, increase taxes to the max, cripple this country, advance Sharia law, unionize every aspect of the work force— as a retired RN- I hate to think what will happen to the patients that we took an oath to protect, when nurses are told to leave the patients because union leaders decide what is important, so also will be police and firefighters, the atrocities will be unimaginable. The AMERICAN people have to hold true to the beliefs we hold sacred and be willing to speak up and stand up against the tyranny that is heading our way. We cannot allow this country and our people to be led to the slaughter. GOD help us all.

    • Lou

      The last sentence in your blog is the truest one, i.e., “God help us.” How can God help us if we as a nation are turning our collective backs on Him. In order to defeat these forces of evil we must pray and follow the 10 Commandments and then their efforts to implement their misguided policies will be in vain because God Himself will defeat and bring to nothing their hidden agendas. Trust in God. Pray and ask Him to save us from the evil onslaught that is occuring. The question one must ask oneself is are we humble enough and obedient to the laws and will of God to get on our knees to beg him to straighten out the mess since all of our efforts have and will come to nothing to save ourselves. In losing ourselves to God we will save ourselves and our country. Wake up America before it is too late. This country and the people in it belong to God and the sooner we realize who the Boss is and thank Him and praise Him the sooner will our nation rise from the devastating fires of immorality. “A word to the wise is sufficient.”

  • American Citizen

    I said it once and I’ll say it again. Why are atheists bothered/offended by religious symbols? Are they so unsure of their atheism? I’m a Christian, but am not offended by the religious symbols of other religions or by their atheistic statements. I only feel sorry for them as they are in for a rude awakening. Their hearts are the stony ones that Jesus spoke about.

  • Lou

    The separation of Church and state was initially implemented to protect the people of the various religions from the government so that they could practice their religious beliefs as they saw fit without governmental interference. The devil has persuaded many of the current generations of mis-educated citizens to twist and turn that protection so as to reduce or eliminate the rights of religious groups. Currently they are directing their business towards the most tolerant and forgiving of the religious groups, i.e., Christians. BUT once they eliminate the rights of Christians it will not be long before they do the same to our Jewish and Islamist people and other religious organizations except maybe not those who worship Satin. Folks it is time to wake up and to stand up to these monsters before it is too late. So far they are winning this battle because religious groups do not want to face up to the fact that they can lose their freedom of religion rights without realizing how it happened since is happening one small step at a time. The devil and his buddies are indeed shrewed and one should never underestimate their INTENSE desire to eliminate religious freedom. How can we fight against this onslaught of our religious freedoms? PRAY and the Good Lord will give you the insight, understanding and the knowledge as to what you can do in your own life to fight this terrible sneak attack on religious freedom. What ever you decide do not underestimate their passionate desire to turn all of us away from the love of our Creator.

    I have great respect for and gladly take my hat off to Mr. Savage and his one-man battle against the forces that would send us all down the proverbial tube. God bless Mr. Savage as he is indeed a God-send. He is a modern day hero.

  • Dr. Mabuse

    “In hoc signo vinces”
    Just ask the down trodden.

    • Lubo

      Dr. Mabuse…..Latin for “with this as your standard you shall have victory”.

  • http://yahoo.com tod

    I’m Glade They Don’t Let crucifixes They are Pagan and have nothing to do with Jesus ! Fact: Why if you think they have something to do with the bible . Why Have they been finding them in Egyptian Tombs as far back as 4500 BC for their rituals,of Pagan God’s Baal and Hores .You are the same Pagan’s that go to church on Sundays praying to Baal and don’t have a clue that God can’t here you . The True sabbath is Friday sundown to Saturday sundown and No One and no thing has the authority to change anything in the Bible and certainly his holy day of rest.Watch (The Forgotten Day ) and Prove Me Wrong ,you CAN’T! Our God Tells us that he choose our Police for their jobs and where to honor them for it.Putting Pagan Crosses on them is a Crime against God for them. Wake up God Tells About a dozen times in the bible the true name of his Church.Look up (The Great Secret ) Timothy 3-14 The living Church of God Is Your Church named that and Honors the true sabbath. Know where in the bible does it say to celebrate his birth or death,but it does say that God Hate Religious Festivals .Wake Up Pagans!Does your God answer all your prayers in abundance,Mine Does almost and sometimes before I ask.The True Holidays God Commands us To do are PASSOVER 3/29 UNLEAVENED BREAD 3
    /30-4/5 PENTECOST 5/23 FEAST OF TRUMPETS9/9 DAY OF ATONEMENT 9/18 FEAST OF TABERNACLES 9/23-29 LAST GREAT DAY 9/30 AND THAT’S IT!Wake up!

    • libertytrain

      If you or anyone believes that Jesus died on the cross, then it doesn’t matter where the original cross symbols come from because it is the symbol of the crucifixion that a christian is wearing on that necklace or is placed in that graveyard, or roadside.

    • mel

      you must be one of those folks with the large indention on your forehead from people poking their fingers there to tell you to get the hell off their front porchs at six in the morning on sundays.

  • http://yahoo.com tod

    And YOU Wounder Why Were Going To Be Destroyed!

  • http://www.fightingpatriot.com Patriot Ken

    I don’t care what the ADL or this Judge says or thinks, this is the way Christians shows respect for the fallen. We are the majority not them. When I see that their has been a death I will put up a cross in that spot and keep putting it up. They(Highway Patrol)have helped many a person so to have someone tell us it is unconstitutional is ludicrous.

  • mel

    Why does the majority of the US citizens have to stop believing in something just because some few wacko’s ideas of what they feel is the way it should be? THERE IS STILL CHRISTMAS, EASTER, all these aethists ? should be put on some small island far away and let them rule it. NOT THE ENTIRE COUNTRY. what about OUR rights? and beliefs?
    WHY DO THESE NOT MATTER TO ANY OF THESE “SMALL” GROUPS THAT THINK THEY SHOULD WRITE THE RULES FOR THE REST OF US TO FOLLOW.? ALSO PUT GOD BACK INTO THE SCHOOLS. THE PLEDGE OF ALLIANGE IS NOT PRAYER.

    • http://N/A Susan

      MEL;; When LIBERTY to USE A CROSS IN MEMORY OF ONE THAT GAVE TO SAVE ANOTHER HERE,,,,,A Policeman That has Vowed to also SAVE and PROTECT. IN this world NOW, How LONG WILL IT BE before We as A FREE TO WORSHIP PEOPLE Can No Longer celebrate easter, Passover, Thanks Be to God THANKSGIVING, and The Birth OF the First and The Last the GOSPEL of the CROSS BLOOD RESURRECTION of CHRIST JESUS Christmas TO a CHRISTIAN and HANAKAH to THE JEWISH STATE OF ISRAELIES, ISRAEL WHOM GOD HATH NAMED THEM.

  • John

    The article is entitled: “ADL: Court Ruling On Crosses Reaffirms U.S. Constitution”

    Then it goes on to prove just the opposite.

    The 1st Amendment is there to protect the free exercise of religion by anyone and everyone, even those in the government. There’s no “separation of Church and state” anywhere in that Amendment, only that CONGRESS may not ESTABLISH a religion (in reaction to Henry VIII establishing a government church in England).

    I’m beginning to wonder whose side “personal liberty digest” is on.

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear John,

      How is it not clear if you’ve spent any time on the site?

      All the best,
      Bob

      • John

        I guess they’re just another group who wants to turn freedom of religion into freedom FROM religion.

    • Lubo

      We should continue to place crosses on the side of the road and if the government don’t like it, TUFF! Then let’s CHANGE THE GOVERNMENT!

    • http://N/A Susan

      For your Information, The First Methodist Church Was The Church Built named by Those that kmew of the Episcopalion Church of England. Just One Of the Denominations of Christianity Faith in the Holy Bible That We still possess today KJV. THAT has Been The Accepted Version For a very Long Time Consisting of Both OLD TESTAMENT BOOKS and THE NEW TESTAMENT BOOKS OF THE GOSPEL OF CHRIST JESUS THAT WE GET THE WORD CHRISTMAS, CHRISTIAN, FROM THAT ROOT WORD CHRIST JESUS. THE CROSS STILL MEANS SALVATION… EVEN TO many THAT WERE HERE BEFORE ANY.. INDIANS LIKE THE DECENDANTS OF THE INCA’S MYAH’S KNOWN TODAY AS NATIVE AMERICAN TRIBES CHIEFS, ALSO CHIEFS AND TRIBES are IN THE SCRIPTURE HOLY BIBLE OF THE OLD TESTAMENT.

  • babyBaby

    finally, the ADL does something RIGHT!

  • Pete from Australia

    Hi Folks,

    We have a word you probably used as well for judges who make decisions like this: “dickhead”

    To the judge and hflashman: you’re both idiots. It’s straining the constitutional meaning to interpret the words as prohibiting the free expression of religion by putting a cross at the roadside.
    Crazy divisive decision. Just keep putting them, and if they rip them down, put them back again!
    Mai Ling Allen is right, well said!
    What happened to common sense in this world, a fast diminishing commodity!

  • http://gunner689 gunner689

    If someone wants to be an athiest or an agnostic that’s fine with me. I personally believe they’re wrong but that’s just my opinion. I don’t know how someone can observe the miracle of life; be it a simple flower or a new born baby and not see the Hand of a devine Creator, is beyond me. But that is between them and God. What broils my boils is how someone, like many on this site, can compare Christianity to Islam. One says Love Thy Neighbor while the other says Kill Your Neighbor. How does that equate? Buddism is another fine religion that teaches goodness and spirituality and I believe Buddah was a profit of the Devine Creator. But I believe that only Jesus was the Son of God. Islam on the other hand is a religion of the Devil and i feel sorry for the people who are born or duped into their teachings. America was founded on Judeo-Christian values and anyone who decides to live in America has to understand that or go back where they came from.

  • American Patriot

    Not surprising the ADL is also behind the removal of these crosses. For years they as well as other radical Jewish run Organizations, (including the Southern Poverty Law Center and George Soros’s groups), have warred against Christianity in the U.S. What about their symbols that everywhere in public, (including on many items in the grocery store. (Ie; the “K” and “U” for which they get paid for and the cost, however minimal it may be, is passed on to the consumer). I’m not Jewish so I should not have to pay it. When the Govt. gives away food, are those symbols on the items, (including Dove Dishwashing Liquid, and Reynolds Aluminim Foil, You can’t eat those items.) Isn’t that the Govt. endorsing a religion? Wait till the Muslims want their “Crescent” on food labels and want to get paid what the Rabbi’s get, and we would have to pay for that as well. This next Christmas, let’s see what O’Duffus puts on the White House lawn. I bet there will not be a Cross, but there will be a Menorah and probably a Crescent. Let’s watch and see…

  • pleroma

    Obviously, the courts and American Athiests are not going to confront Islam about the religious issue because they know that there is no truth there. They only have to fight faith in Christ because He said, “I am the way, the truth and the life . . . no one comes to the Father except through me.” They do not want a relationship with the God of the universe because they would have to bend the knee to Him, stop being god in their own minds; and these rebels cannot, will not do that. So they fight the “religion” that they know is backed by the true God – they do know it – they just refuse to accept it. Sounds like a falling star from the book of Isaiah, doesn’t it.

    • http://N/A Susan

      Pleroma;;; Second that Read also My Post In here About the Hymnal. AN ATHIEST still BELIEVES ONLY IN THEMSELVES NOT IN THE WORD, FATHER, SON, & HOLY SPIRIT OR “FAITH” IN the Risen CHRIST JESUS of THE Gospel,

  • http://N/A Susan

    How many Can Remember this HYMN?
    I do. I remember at my Eighth Grade Graduation .
    We Sang this as we stood before Our Parents and all Our Classmates Parents. Singing this Hymn
    That Today Would be Unwelcome in most American Schools or any other place today. WHY?
    Because it Speaks of The Risen Crucified Christ Jesus of the Gospel. That is why. Yet the one that wrote it Believed in the Same Gospel of Jesus Christ Of Today By Many whom Still call themselves Faithful to GOD the Father His Word His Son ChristJesus and His Holy Spirit.

    “Onward, Christian Soldiers”
    A 19th century English hym. the words written by Sabine Bareing-Gould in 1865, The music was composed by Aurther Sullivan in1871. Mr. Sullivan named the tune “St. Gertrude” After the wife of a friend Ernest Clay Ker Seymer, at whose country home he composed the tune.

    “The Salvation Army” adopted the hymn as its favored processional. The hymn’s theme taken from references in the New Testament Book in the “KJV” IITimothy 2;3: Of the Holy Written Word “Thou shalt endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ” Speaking of the Christian being a Soldier for Christ. The Letter to Timothy was written by Paul To his Son Timothy.

    ONWARD CHRISTIAN SOLDIERS
    1. Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war, with the cross of Jesus going on before. Christ, the royal Master, leads against the foe; forward into battle see his banners go!
    Refrain
    Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war, with the cross of Jesus going on before.
    2. At the sign of triumph Satan’s host doth flee; on then, Christian soldiers, on to victory! Hell’s foundations quiver at the shout of praise; brothers, lift your voices, loud your anthems raise. (Refrain)
    Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war, with the cross of Jesus going on before.
    3. Like a mighty army moves the church of God; brothers, we are treading where the saints have trod. We are not divided, all one body we, one in hope and doctrine, one in charity. (Refrain)
    Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war, with the cross of Jesus going on before.
    4. Crowns and thrones may perish, kingdoms rise and wane, but the church of Jesus constant will remain. Gates of hell can never gainst that church prevail; we have Christ’s own promise, and that cannot fail. (Refrain)
    Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war, with the cross of Jesus going on before.
    5. Onward then, ye people, join our happy throng, blend with ours your voices in the triumph song. Glory, laud, and honor unto Christ the King, this through countless ages men and angels sing. (Refrain)
    Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war, with the cross of Jesus going on before.

    When THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST is removed from any Countries Society.
    YOU HAVE TAKEN THE WORD OF GOD OUT OF THAT COUNTRY ALONG WITH
    HIS HOLY WORD.
    ALL PEOPLES THAT HAVE DENIED THE FATHER HAVE ALSO DENIED HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON THE FIRST OF THE RESURRECTION CHRIST JESUS.
    THE SOLDIERS ARE SLOWLY but SURELY PASSING AWAY.
    HAVE NOT WE AS “NATIONS” Already LOST to many of our CHILDREN TO THE THINGS OF THIS WORLD? WILL WE NOW TAKE THE FATHER, THE SON, and HIS HOLY SPIRIT FROM OUR CHILDREN and GRANDCHILDREN TODAY?
    OR will We as a Nation Of FREEDOM TAKE A STAND AGAIN FOR THE JEWISH PEOPLES RIGHT AND ISRAEL’S RIGHT TO EXIST. AS THUS THE LORD HATH SAID, AND HAD IT ALREADY WRITTEN?

    Hymn’s Notice no Vowels are in the English WORD “HYMN” Because Language of the Hebrews Never had or has no Vowels. Pronouceation of the WORD. WHEN SAID, SPOKEN: HIMS With N between the M&S Used to Sing Praise to GOD THE FATHER, NOT FORGETTING THE PRICE PAID THE SHED BLOOD ON THE CROSS OF HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON. WHOM TODAY MANY DO NOT WANT HIS NAME MENTIONED OR REMEMBERED BY THE CHILDREN OF TODAY.
    “GOD WILL NOT STRIVE WITH MAN FOREVER.”
    OLD TESTAMENT Quote;

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