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Achieving A ‘Grand Bargain’

August 16, 2011 by  

Achieving A ‘Grand Bargain’

In picking the last three members of the new super committee on deficit reduction, once-relevant Nancy Pelosi said: “We must achieve a grand bargain that reduces the deficit by addressing our entire budget, while strengthening Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security.”

The devil is in the details — or, in this case, the details are in the devil’s words. Socialist-turned-fiscal-conservative Pelosi, who has previously said she believes unemployment benefits are the greatest job creator known to mankind, is a true believer in her religion — a strange religion that centers around one objective: spending other people’s money.

So what, exactly, does Fancy Nancy mean by a “grand bargain?” Clearly, it’s code for Republicans caving in again and doing what Democrats want them to do to avoid being called obstructionists: increase the deficit even more.

Likewise, what in the world does Pelosi mean by “strengthening Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security?” In any event, why are we “strengthening” programs that are unConstitutional? Why are we not working on a plan to completely phase out these programs over a long period of time, while making certain that people above a certain age (say, 50 or 55) still receive all their benefits?

Republicans now boast that they have “changed the debate” in Washington. But the appointment of the new super committee on deficit reduction makes it clear that Americans are in for more of the same: more committees, more accounting tricks, more regulations, more redistribution of wealth and, above all, more B.S.

It’s no wonder that a recent Fox News poll showed that 81 percent of Americans disapprove of Congress, while only 10 percent approve. Jeffrey Dahmer and Ted Bundy probably could have achieved better poll numbers at the height of their careers.

But that 81 percent number is misleading, because it’s a good bet that about half of those people want government spending to be cut to the bone, while the other half want even more government handouts. Thus, the results of the poll question don’t really tell us much.

The real debate should be about the real problem: the size and scope of government. Do we want to live in a society where we share a collective, psychotic mixture of guilt, arrogance, victimization, envy, anger and demonization so all-encompassing that it motivates us to destroy the wealth-producing capacity of our Nation? Or do we want to live in a society where self-reliance is the hallmark of our cultural identity?

The reality is that the entitlement policies that left-wingers have succeeded in implementing over the past 70 years comprise one big scorched-earth policy. If they don’t get their way, they will take to the streets and turn us into Great Britain or Greece. If they do get their way, Atlas will shrug, the good life will disappear (even more than it already has), and, again, they will take to the streets and turn us into Great Britain or Greece. Heads, we all lose; tales, we all lose.

The late Isaac Asimov, the renowned science-fiction writer, once alluded to this suicidal conundrum when he pointed out that the danger in demanding special favors from government is that you risk the ultimate destruction of freedom and free enterprise, which necessarily means the destruction of your own special interest as well. Asimov emphasized his point by suggesting the following analogy: “If my right arm decided to stab my left arm to death, my right arm would die, too.”

The right arms of Great Britain, Greece, Portugal and most European countries are stabbing their left arms to death, and their right arms are dying in the process. Class warfare has wealth destruction built into it.

We can listen to the pudding heads on television and pretend as though we really believe that the big question is whether we’re headed for a “double-dip recession” when, in fact, we’re in a depression — and have been for a long time.

We can delude ourselves into believing that Congress just passed a deficit-reduction plan, even though the reality of that plan is that the U.S. will be increasing its deficit by at least another $7 trillion over the next decade.

We can continue to pretend we are offended by Standard & Poor’s recent credit downgrade of the U.S. to AA+, even though the truth is that our creditworthiness is rapidly heading toward zero.

We can continue to pretend the chances of a U.S. hyperinflation are nonexistent, when the historical evidence makes it clear that hyperinflation is a virtual certainty.

But worry not. We will soon have a super committee on deficit reduction composed of people with superior intellects who realize that: “We must achieve a grand bargain that reduces the deficit by addressing our entire budget, while strengthening Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security.”

Now, if I could just figure out what all that means, I’m sure a feeling of American exceptionalism would sweep over me.

Robert Ringer

Robert Ringer

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  • s c

    Robert, Queen Nancy is a ‘fiscal conservative’ like Baaney Fwank is a non-lisper. She’s reasonable like Hitler was ‘compassionate’ toward those who wound up in concentration camps. She makes sense and can avoid sounding like a language con artist when Al Sharpton no longer tells us he ‘resists much.’
    Obviously, Nancy has a plan, and we’re supposed to turn off our brains and swallow that bilge she loves to spread. I have to conclude that when she spent all that money on plastic surgery, she should have made sure her head had all of its bolts tghtened. Time for you to retire and fade away, Queenie Person. Do it for the children.

    • Warrior

      I’m absolutely impressed with the d-bags selection of chris hollingheads from maryland to this committee. This is the same boob that argued that there is no current inflation. How did this troll know this you ask? Well, all you have to do is take a look at the cost of flat screen TV’s! Brilliant chris, you just made the committee!

    • wandamurline

      Actually, I hope that we can retire most of the members of the Grand Committee in 2012…I can tell you right now, that Mitch McConnell needs to be fired and so does Graham….they are the most corrupt RINOS in Washington right now, save Collins and Snowe. We must replace these twits with constitutional conservatives if we want to have a free America that runs on the laws on the books….because we don’t have that right now.

    • Jyrine

      s c, you mean like Barney Frank is a non-farter.

      • newspooner

        Did he really cut the cheese on Rachel Maddow’s show?

        • Phenry

          Well, you know that Bwraney’s sphincter muscle is really weak these days after the hundreds of thousands of liaisons he’s had with some of Washington’s finest liberal dudes. It’s hard to keep those farts in anymore. Cut him some slack. His sphincter has about the same amount of control that the U.S. Mexico border has. It’s remarkable he doesn’t soil his pants several times a day. Maybe he does – it all DEPENDS.

          • big wyo

            well put Phenry openly practicing failure RESIGN STRETCH AND THE GUTTER SOCIALIST WITH YOU

  • http://www.easyinvest.co.za peter

    Robert, when you figure out what that all means be a pal and let me know, because when people say things like that I begin to feel that I no longer understand the English language. When Nancy has a plan, beware, because not even she knows what the consequences are.

    • Vagabond

      Peter what all that means is simply this. we are still getting a royal f**king,

    • Phenry

      “When I use a word,” Humpty Nancy said in a rather a scornful tone,”it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.”
      “The question is,” said Alice,”whether you can make words mean so many different things.”
      “The question is,” said Humpty Nancy, “which is to be master— that’s all.”

  • http://aol.com sean murrey ILLInio

    Botox face is a conserative i dont think so just a commie.

  • Marlin

    If you want to kill something send it to a committee. Nothing ever gets done in a committee. :-)

    • ValDM

      Right you are! You kno what you get when a committee designs a horse?…………a camel.

      • moonbeam

        Good One!!! Can’t stop laughing.

      • Mike in MI

        Fine, ValDM -
        Butt… do you know what the gubmint committee got when it tried to redesign for a better camel?: Nasty Pelosi.
        Only problem was it had three humps and every time it went swimming they thought it was the Loch Ness monster – until it smiled . Then they knew it was a tyrrantasorryass rex…with bad dentures and gingivitis.

  • home boy

    so with all your correct statements about pelosi and the government, how come you have not come to the conclusion that the only road to survival is to eliminate the political system from the government?

    • john

      What the heck does that mean? Government IS politics.

  • SF

    A lie is a lie no matter how many times it is repeated or how many different ways it is presented or how many people repeat it.

    There is a parable told of a young boy who climbed a mountain. It goes something like this: While climbing, he came across a snake who begged the boy to carry it down with him to where it was warmer. The snake, you see, was stiff with the cold.

    The boy made the snake promise not to bite him if he carried it down the mountain. The snake promised, so the boy picked it up, slipped it inside his shirt, and began to walk down the mountain.

    When almost at the base of the majestic peak, the boy felt a sharp pain in his chest. Startled, he cried out in pain saying, “but you promised to not bite me if I helped you get down from the mountain!”

    The sneaky snake replied,”You knew I was a snake when you picked me up.”
    As the now warm snake slithered away, the boy died because he believed the snake’s lie.

    A snake is a snake is a snake and will do what snakes do, no matter what promises are extracted from it. Beware, for some snakes slither on two feet. If we the people forget that position does not necessarily indicate integrity, intelligence, honesty, or having the best interest of this country and its citizens in mind, then there should be no surprise when the snake bites.

    There is no way to get rid of a snake but to separate it from its head. In the political realm, elections are the only defense available to the citizens of this nation. So, don’t pick up a snake; it will bite you…vote it out of office and hold those elected accountable for their actions.

    • Phenry

      A taxpayer and a nancy were trying to cross a great depression filled with dank, evil water. The nancy asked the taxpayer to carry her on his back, since she could not swim, or do much of anything else useful. The taxpayer said “No way! You will tax and regulate me to death if I do!”. The nancy said “No, let’s be reasonable – you have to let me ride on your back to see WHAT WILL HAPPEN”. The taxpayer reluctantly agreed. Halfway across the depression, the nancy started passing one hideous, cruel law after another, raising taxes exponentially, taking away ALL of the taxpayer’s freedoms. As the taxpayer started slipping beneath the waves, thinking what an idiot the nancy was because they would BOTH soon drown, he said “WHY THE HELL DID YOU DO THAT?”. The nancy replied, “That’s what I DO”.

      • Mike in MI

        No, Ph… -
        Not “That’s what I DO!”
        — “That’s what I DOODOO” OH-H-h-h, Yu-u-uc-ck.

      • big wyo

        If I were a democrat I would have to ask for this old bag to just shut the F^% up. Every time you speak it hurts our cause and demonstrates your lack of intelligence and ability.

    • independant thinker

      Good one SF

  • Capitalist at Birth

    This committee is a joke. It will more than likely, result in nothing concrete. It is a sad day in America, when 12 people have the power of controlling the entire Congress and Senate. Beware and be prepared. The other RINO’s are Lugar, Murkowski, and Brown. They all must be removed from office, either through the voting process or through armed insurrection.

    • PeggyB

      This committee of 13,(counting Obama), is not a joke. It is a carefully planned strategy to completely destroy what is left of the Constitution and our liberties. This committe of 13 is a mirror image at the national level of the council of 13 who sit at the top of the NWO at the international level controlling both the republicans and democrats in Washington.

      • http://yahoo skyraider 6

        another delaying tactics til the 2012 elections. god help this wonderful country

        • Jyrine

          Bless you skyraider 6.

      • professor

        There has to be “something” that has taken control of our government because Congressmen are not listening to their constituent, and they are thumbing their noses at the Constitution! Politicians don’t seem to care about what the people want, or how many unconstitutional laws they pass! They follow a different path…one that does not include leading Americans into prosperity.

        Our 535 Congressmen should have their feet, “held to the fire.” They should be, “at work,” instead of on long vacations….while the country takes a nosedive! They are not getting paid to go on vacation (neither is the muslim), rather their duty is to solve the problems of the economy, loss of jobs, and avoid the coming depression! These politicians should be paid commensurate with the jobs they do! And, if that were true, they would be in a deep hole!

        The “Super Committee,” is nothing but a scheme to absolve both parties from the responsibility of what is coming….huge tax increases, no limit to the debt ceiling, a failed economy, a slashed military, and a slash in earned-benefits (the free-entitlements will most likely be increased!)

    • Mike in MI

      Settle down kids, just relax.
      This parasite will feed itself until it eats up (and kills) the host.
      Then after the host is dead the parasite dies, too.
      Then the NPR will scream, “Local host kills Worm. Build a monument to Worms inscribed, ‘Worm was a hero of the people. Host was unfair and for too long had more than Worm. But, Worm triumphed over Host in the end, taking Host for all he had.’”

  • TIME

    This “Super Congress” is 100% totaly wrong in all respects.

    Let alone PigOsee is a flaming idiot, who’s favorite word is “the WORD.”

    • Carole H

      I am not a fan of Pelosi and I am not defending her, but calling her a communist is ridiculous.

      I object to Social Security being included in the Federal Budget, it gets absolutely no Federal money what so ever. It is funded directly by the working people in this country. It is not a burden in any way to the Federal Government. The Government has stolen from it.

      Talking about the huge debt this country has accumulated over the last decade and longer and how to reduce it, let me point out a couple of things we hardly ever discus.

      The state of Wisconsin’s Medicaid program has a deficit of about 1.8 billion dollars. The cost of the these wars to the state of Wisconsin alone is 1.9 billion dollars. Think about it.

      The first time any country in the history of the entire world ever cut taxes during war time happened here under Bush. No one talked about it. It was a disaster. Wars cost money, they are not free, so of course the debt grew by leaps and bounds. Duh!

      Over 50% of our taxes go to fund the military. We do not know exactly how much we spend on the Military because much of it is hidden from us. For example the attacks by drones are CIA operations and we do not know what their budget is. And now we are waging war on 5 fronts and we are about to expand to 6 because we are going to commit troops to supposedly help Mexico fight their war on drugs. Why should we feel we have answers for them? We represent 5% of the world’s population and we consume 60% of the world’s illegal drugs. We are losing our own so called war on drugs. Why? because we have people in government both promoting and fighting against illegal drugs, the system is completely corrupt.

      And wasn’t it Bank of America that was caught laundering drug money?

      • moonbeam

        I’m with you on that, Carole H. They can start cutting the money sent to rebuild other nations, such as Afghanistan.

        As our government continues to send billions of our tax dollars to other nations in foreign aid, wars and other pork, the first thing the brainiacs in DC want to do is cut benefits for those supplying those dollars. Lets start with Obama and take 95% of his pay and cancel his pension. Same with congress and the rest of them.

        Reminds me of a scenario. A man having affairs with several other women. He gives them money and pays their rent, car note, cell phone bill, clothing and food, all while neglecting his own family. His children go without while he wines, dines and spends money on these other women.

        Freaks me out how this is allowed to go on. Nobody, and I mean nobody in Washington is using their brains. The remedies are crystal clear.

        Leave medicare and medicaid alone. Stop sending our money off to foreign countries without our permission. Our own country needs rebuilding after the past 12 years of liars, whores and thieves.

        Get out of the wars we can’t afford in places we have no business being. We’re not fighting for our freedoms, you have us fighting for control of their oil! We got plenty right here in the US.

        Stop paying illegals. If they can’t pull their weight and are here illegally then they need to return home.

        The bailouts should NEVER have happened.

        Stop trying to cut benefits people paid into all their working lives while you splurge on your “other women”.

        Billions of dollars wiped out in fraud, waste and corruption. When will it end? When America The Beautiful becomes a vast dry wasteland.

      • newspooner

        There is an old saying: If it walks like a duck and swims like a duck and flies like a duck and quacks like a duck and has feathers and down and webbed feet like a duck, it probably is a duck. Just compare Pelosi’s positions on major philosophilical issues to those of Ulianov, Djugashvili, Schicklgruber, Mao, Marx, Castro, Roosevelt, etc.

        • Phenry

          You left out some prominent American communists (except for FDR who DEFINITELY belongs on that auspicious list): Carter, Hillary Clinton, Obama, Obama’s mentor “Frank”, most of Obama’s school chums, Obama’s parents, Obama’s grandparents, all members of the Democratic Socialists of America (about half of Congress), and so on. Seems that the Committee on Un-American Activities had it right, they just didn’t find ALL (or even MOST) of the communists that were hiding under every rock.

          • Kate8

            Carole H. – Pelosi’s admitted to being a socialist. That’s just communist-lite.

            There is no doubt that she is power-hungry and works for the NWO elite.

            Communist, socialist, fascist…There’s really not much difference between them. It’s all tyranny.

      • bob wire

        Well presented Carole, thank you

      • http://ahalbert@smart-technology.net Allan

        Where do you think the difference between social security contribution and payout comes from?

  • Insurgent

    Washington, DC—————–”The Land of Whores and Thieves.”

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Let us not forget idiots!!

    • moonbeam

      Funny you should say that. I use those very same words when describing Washington…Liars, Whores and Thieves.

  • Bob

    This is probably the biggest load of crap I have ever read. Our democracy is built on compromise nit hostage taking. I find the above article an insult to a sane thinking person’s intelligence

    • TheRealBob

      What would you know about what sane people know? Sane people know that you cannot compromise with evil and the democrats are pure evil.

      • Jyrine

        That actualy gives evil a bad rep.

      • bob wire

        and you told you that you were sane?

    • jibbs

      We are not a Democtacy, We Are A Republic!!
      I just can’t understand why so many people keep refeering the United States as a democracy, where/how did they come up with that idea?

      • DaveH

        The public schools and the MSM. Where else?

      • moonbeam

        You are correct, Jibbs. This is a Republic. The Pledge Of Allegiance:

        I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the REPUBLIC for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

        Democracies most often end in failure, such as what we have going in our country on today.

        “Rarely have democracies survived beyond 200 years. Why do democracies fail? Two of the major reasons are: 1) democracies generally progress through an initial period from bondage to spiritual faith escalating to the point where the citizens become totally dependent on the government to where they eventually revert back to bondage, and 2) once the democracy shows signs of prosperity, citizens vote themselves generous bounties from the public treasury.”

        ““The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:

        q From bondage to spiritual faith;

        q From spiritual faith to great courage;

        q From courage to liberty;

        q From liberty to abundance;

        q From abundance to complacency;

        q From complacency to apathy;

        q From apathy to dependence;

        q From dependency back into bondage.”

        Does this not sound familiar!”

        Reference:
        http://www.apatheticvoter.com/Article_DownfallDemocracies.htm

    • DaveH

      But repeating the same mistakes over and over in the Hope that this time they will work is not insane?
      Sure, Bob, whatever you say.

    • S.C. Murf

      Bob I could have sworn that this country is, or should I say, was a Republic. But you know don’t you bob, NOT. Time to make that popping sound bobby

      up the hill
      airborne

    • professor

      There can be no “compromise” when the correct thing needs to be done!

      No one wants the people’s representatives to compromise on Conservative values and integrity! Doing just that has gotten us where we are today….

      Catch a grip!

      • bob wire

        and exactly who is to decide what is correct in this non compromising world of your? Sound a little like unbridled obsession to me professor of propriety.

        • http://ahalbert@smart-technology.net Allan

          The vote – 2012 will answer you question.

      • Phenry

        Compromising with liberals is like taking a glass of fresh, nourishing milk, and compromising it by stirring in some fresh, steamy POOP. It may LOOK like chocolate milk, but if you drink it, it will kill you. It IS roughly halfway between fresh, pure milk, and a steamy pile of pure poop, but it is still deadly. The solution can be found in the Second Amendment (that is, until they manage to take it away, along with all your OTHER real rights).

  • Bob

    To bargain with the democrats is to bargain with satan. There is nothing good in the lieberal agenda and conservatives can be content with nothing less than total victory over this monstrous evil. Those who espouse the doctrine of lieberlism are anti-God and anti-humanity; their goal is the enslavement of humanity to an elite group of parasites such as we already see in the maobama administration. The answer to the financial problems follows: end welfare (corporate and individual), slash government salaries at all levels, eliminate government programs and agencies at all levels, then slash taxes. It really is that simple; all we need are some people in D.C. with the integrity and guts to take these steps. The answer to the problems in our society are: remove all lieberals from positions of influence in business, the media, and the education system, make the USA a country where you have to work to survive (unless truly disabled) and where you have the right to work without having to belong to a union or a whining minority or gender, then mandate that everyone be held responsible for their own actions. We could then save the USA from the destruction the lieberals are planning.

    • Mirage

      If you think the Republicans/Tea Party are somehow less immoral than the Democrats, you’re sadly mistaken.
      The major difference between the two parties in their regard for Main Street?
      The Democrats bring vaseline, the Republican/Tea Party brings sandpaper … either way, it’s going to be a circle jerk for middle America!
      Washington is run by big money/lobbiests, and is permanently broken. Without fundamental change to our political system, the corruption will continue, there will be no fundamental change, and, the middle class will continue to dissolve.
      The big money powers that be, want people divided and blaming one another’s political ideology … so that the abuse of power by the R’s, D’s, and T’s, can continue as usual.
      The solution? I don’t have one, other than perhaps demonstrations, riots, and or, violence. It’ll have to get a whole lot uglier for those things to happen.
      Until you can blame ALL OF WASHINGTON FOR WHERE WE SIT TODAY … YOU’RE JUST KIDDING YOURSELF.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Mirage,
        I can see you have not one iota of an idea of what you are talking about! If you did, you would know that the TEA party is NOT in the same ilk as the dems!! They want a return to the constitution and only the LEGAL taxes allowed by it!

        • Matt Newell

          Actually that is not true. If they get into the permanent politician mode (which happens VERY quickly in Washington DC) they become just like the current politicians in the Democratic and Republican camps.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Matt,
            IF does not a fact make!!

      • LES

        Washington is not the problem for where we are today ! Look in the mirror for the problem, it is the voters that are the problem.

        You vote for the person that is going to give you the most. In Washington they cannot give what they promised for your vote so they have to borrow, print more and more money. The cycle keeps going on over and over until some major collapse is going to occur that no one has a control over. Then the riots are probably really going to start.

        • professor

          You want to obsolve the politicians, in Washington and this administration, from any responsibility for what is happening to our country! You really do need to, “catch a grip!”

          That is right from the progressive talking points! Blame the voters, so that neither party has to take responsibility! Amazing how libs want to blame everyone else but themselves…when they had total power in Washington, owning the Senate, the House, and the presidency!
          The “people’s mandate” just happened months ago, and those representatives have the administration “running scared.” Why else is the “arrogant one,” running around in a stupid “bus!” A little beneath his “perceived greatness,” don’t you think! Where are the crowds, where are the fainting worshipers…Ha! They are no where to be seen!

          The vast majority of voters, expected the politicians, that were voted into office, to be truthful and do what they promised! Voters did not expect to be ignored by representatives that…once in Washington…. go rogue! As a voter, count me out, I refuse to take the blame for that these criminals are doing!

      • newspooner

        The faint element of validity (the Establishment syndrome) in your rant was totally changed into UTTER NONSENSE by including the amorphous Tea Party as part of the syndrome.

      • bob wire

        Mirage, you will have to overlook Bob, his elevator might go to the top floor but the doors just make a ding ding sound and refuse to open.

        He speaking like someone you might catch on the 10 o’clock news that has killed his family and few neighbor children and didn’t have the guts to shot himself, leave the rest of the world to clean up his mess and feed his sorry a$$ for the rest of his natural life.

        He’s a coward of the highest caliber that hides in cyber space, a Sick man. I’m not accustom to speaking this harshly, but for Bob I’ll make an acceptation. Strong words to counter strong words.

        You need professional help Bob.

      • http://ahalbert@smart-technology.net Allan

        Republicans have a playbook with a better business and moral foundation, however, the rules of Congress, combined with party largesse lures them away from following the playbook. That is why we have to challenge the party and change the Congressional rules. Notice that several European countries announced today that a balanced budget is vital for Europe to be solvent.

      • Rich

        Divide and conquer?

  • Daniel

    I expect to hear these exact same lies on the night of the 2012 elections; ” According to several polls and our academic political science experts, we will hold onto the U.S House of representatives in this election.” Spoken by 70 year old EX-Speaker, Liberal Nancy Pelosi, on very the day her liberal Socialist fake Democratic Party received the worst beatdown in recent electoral history. Sorry Nancy, but no you didn’t retain the majority in the House, in case you hadn’t noticed it yet.

  • Raggs

    “Grand Bargaining”…. definition = a payoff.

    It has been found that special interest groups have “invested” $6.5 million dollars into this new “super-sucker-committee” meaning that this is a corrupt organization before it even has it’s first meeting.

    • professor

      Much more than that….Kerry, alone, received over $15 Million!

  • Charles

    I wish I could see one plitician look the TV camera in the eye and say; “I stand before you today to say I have been part of this spending problem. In some cases I have taken tax payers $$$ and spent it foolishly, and I am here on August 16th, 2011 to say I am sorry. I shall return to the U. S. Treasury as much as I can out of my own pocket.”

    • ValDM

      Now, THERE’S a nice fantasy, but I’m with you. I’m like Diogenes……..still looking for that elusive honest man.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Have you not seen him when you look in your mirror?

    • Vagabond

      Charles quit dreaming,

  • http://yahoo skyraider 6

    i hear a 747 will use almost 7,800 lbs of fuel on takeoff, can that be true? obama has used a lot of fuel.

    • Jyrine

      Roger that. I think that’s empty takeoff weight and they cram that bird full of freeloaders and all their junk. Gee for the sake of the crew, I’d hate to see anything go wrong with that plane.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Jyrine,
        careful, friend, I’d hate to hear you got a visit from TPTB!!

    • professor

      it costs the taxpayers $12,000 dollars an hour to fly it!

      • bob wire

        like every other President since Air Force One was commissioned to serve the Commander & Chief.

        Which I don’t mind at all until it comes to someone the caliber of Dick Chaney, as far as I’m concerned he can go Grey Hound.

        • Kate8

          bw – You are saying that low-life Obama is of higher caliber than Cheney?

          Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

          Politicians are, by nature, sleazy. Some just more so than others.

          Ya just can’t get lower than the Imposter in Chief.

          • bob wire

            evidently , you know very little about Chaney Katie. ~ It’s late to be learning but this man has no credentials unless snitch, brown nose, suck up and snake in the grass, liar and cheat offers one.

  • CJM

    In the first place, we do NOT need or require a special “committee of 12;” that sort of sounds like obama has selected a jury to determine the kind of death the US will suffer when he takes over as the dictator he wants to be. As for “fancy nancy,” she is so entrenched in the swill of the swamp she and her cohorts have created, she has contaminated CA to the extent the residents there are intoxicated with her stench. Those who are so appalled by her lack of integrity and political astuteness are leaving CA by the droves, leaving only her beloved illegal aliens and mesmerized followers behind—which doesn’t say much for that State. If we want a sound Government, then the socialist party now in place needs to be replaced either by recall or the vote–preferably by recall. Right on its heels, that fool in the WH needs to be ousted, preferably by impeachment; unfortunately, we have a congress who is afraid of its own shadow and are paralyzed with fear of fancy nancy (wonder what she has on them–her files must be some read!!). While they sit in Washington amidst their swill of a swamp and constantly remind the public how stupid we are, they seem to forget that “stupid” carries more weight in the vote and is quite capable of remedying the sorry situation that the current politicians have created.

  • hicusdicus

    Get used to it folks we are dead. We just don’t have the sense to lay down and quit breathing. America has had a good run but it just about to stop. I hate to be so pissamistic but what else is there.

    • Jyrine

      Beans and bullets baby!

    • professor

      Americans are mad! The enemy is in shock. They never thought they would suffer any “beat-down” like they have, recently, from Conservatives! It is new for them to be confronted by any Conservatives with “backbone!” We should be embolden!

      Stop with the theatrical pessimism and take heart. It isn’t over yet!

  • DaveH
  • robt shrugged

    well I know that Atlas will shrug and we all will be serfs to the collectivist socialist government that now controls America. Capitalism made this country the greatest most productive country in the world. but the socialist markist government we now have will destroy our counrty just as did hitler and stalin did. you have let the schools become socialist education camps to indoctrin cess pools. our children will be slaves to the unknowing rabid socialist dictators. I for one will remove myself from the slave population. everything I have will go to self destruction of my wealth and removing all possible contributions to the state. let them eat dung.

    • Jyrine

      ;o)

    • Phenry

      There is no need for self-immolation. Transfer yourself, your family and all assets you can, to ANYWHERE outside of the U.S. (preferably not ANOTHER socialist country in the process of collapsing), as FAST as you can, before that door is closed for good. I did about 3 months after the fatal election that spelled the end of America (November 2008). As I watched the returns, I had a good cry, got good and drunk, then pulled the trigger on the escape plan I had created over the previous 20 years. THERE IS STILL TIME, but not much. Have you been watching the financial data over the last 2-3 weeks? HOW MUCH MORE OBVIOUS DOES IT HAVE TO GET? GET THE F**K OUT OF THAT BURNING BUILDING!

      • bob wire

        The ideas situation would be for you to leave with your A$$ests attached.

        The Republic of Mexico is nice this time of years.

        It’s a nice , no nonsense republic that truly understands the value of silver and lead.

  • CLARENCE SWINNEY

    BURN BABY BURN
    FUEL IS INEQUALITY
    LIGHTER IS CONSERVATIVENUT ELIMINATION OF SAFETY NETS
    HISTORY SAYS ONE OF CAUSES FOR REVOLUTION IS INEQUALITY

    5% own 62% of Net Wealth
    80% 0wn 15% 120,000,000 workers (62/15)

    2% own 50% Financial WEalth
    20% own 93%
    80% 0wn 7% 120,000,000 workers (93/7)

    25% take 67% all Individual Income
    80% take 13% 120,000,000 workers (67/12)

    10 Banks own 80% all deposits in 7600 Banks
    10 Firms own the Pharnmaceutical Industry
    10 Firms own the Military Industrial Manufacturing
    Wall Street owns Congress and White House own you?

    DEMOCRACY NOW A WALL STREET CORPOCRACY
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    BURN BABY BURN ON WALL STREET IT CAN HAPPEN IN AMERICA

  • robt shrugged

    by the way a dead horse will pull his weight when pushed off the cliff. we are a dead horse at the edge of the cliff and congress is pushing the horse.

    • bob wire

      What? ~ I bet you did have a ball with Ayn Rand with such a nibble mind.

      She took you places you had never thought existed but always knew they should, ~ just a hunch.

      It not current events that kick our collective a$$ today but 30 years of folly and now the bills are due.

  • Vicki Sutton

    Obama is the worst & most destructive president our country has experienced.
    Sad that he is not impeachead.

    Best for America,

    Vicki

    • jibbs

      obama is not a legal President, meaning that he cannot be impeached. He needs to be removed from office under treason and high crimes, then everything he has signed into law would become null & void.

      • 45caliber

        And the sentence for treason is the death penalty.

      • bob wire

        Oh , I believe that he is and I believe it is you that speaks treason.

        If you have got a case that will endure illegal scrutiny , whip it out.

        otherwise, ~ your treasonous contempt is duly noted.

        • bob wire

          oOPS! “legal scrutiny” ~ or both! Hells bells, you got something beside a chapped a$$, let’s see it.

        • 45caliber

          bobby:

          There is no such thing as “treasonous contempt”. It is only contempt and it is legal under the first amendment regardless of how you feel about him. It is also not treason to question his birth – particularly when it is apparent that he isn’t even sure where he was born any more.

          • Kate8

            45 – If making accusations toward the president were treason, then the Left would also be guilty for villifying Bush.

            Don’t know how bw can get around that one.

            At least Bush had a BC.

          • bob wire

            hmm? ~ so how is an infant to know such things if everything is considered “suspect” 45?

            How can anyone be held accountable for the exact location of their own birth?

            We know what we are told and what documents reflect and this applies to everyone.

            Back when you and I was born record keeping was all long hand, one letter at a time. They say that I was born in a small clinic off the town square, Kimbro Clinic. I’m not in any position to argue with them while it is clear someone misspelled my name and I wear this misspelling today.

            The remote places Obama family traveled were even more primitive then those of my childhood.

            I’m sorry that you just can’t accept him as an native born American while you seem to accept that he was birthed by one. Young ambitious, adventurous people can travel and that includes women.

            If life begins at conception as many suggest there is no one but his mother that actually knows his nationality. What she might remember of the party he is lucky not to bark and lick his balls.

            So ~ this “technicality” that you hang so tightly to is absurd.

            There were many democrats that wanted to apply this same thinking to both of 43′s election. There was indeed questions unanswered and legal concerns along with sour grapes. ~

            At roughly 50% of the voting public ~ there came a time to let it go and move on for the good of the nation. I’d hope and expect the same thing of you 45.

            If I’m willing to concede while I feel deeply wronged ~ for some “better good”, why is it so impossible for you? What is it that makes your perception and values so much more right or better then mine.

            I say nothing! ~It’s just that you’re hard wired makeup and uncompromising way.

            You have no interested in free and public elections, you don’t wish to compete. Arbitration is left to be viewed as an abstract thought IF there is no willingness to compromise.

            Let’s face it 45, you harbor and feed your contempt for this man for what he is and show no quarter to any and all opposition.

            I understand you well, ~ I grew up surrounded by it but I have grown passed my birth and humble raising and stand before you alone, as a man that does not require support or be a member of any damn club. ~ That $hit ain’t right buddy. It’s not what American values and principles were founded on.

            “with liberty and justice for all”

          • bob wire

            “45 – If making accusations toward the president were treason, then the Left would also be guilty for villifying Bush.”

            Why would I try? ~ but Katie, you are discussing two different thing.

            Villains aren’t necessary treasonous.

          • 45caliber

            Bobby:

            I have no idea where Oblama was born. Actually, I don’t really care although I would like to see him produce a good birth certificate – simply because he is working so hard to prevent showing one. I believe that he should have shown one before being vetted by the Demos for the Presidential position – and I suspect one of the reasons the BC is not shown is because the Demos want to push someone known to not be American born to the public using Oblama as an example.

            I do, however, believe that some investigation of his actions as President should be made. There are simply too many things going on, such as Fast and Furious, that he says he knows nothing about. If he does know, he should be charged with the acts – if he doesn’t know, then he is a very poor excuse as President and should be fired.

  • robt shrugged

    we started the down hill roll when we created the federal reserve and made a constitutional asmendmdnt that senators be elected officials not appointed officials by the individual. when the states had the power to stop bad legislation the stated were able to stop it in the senate.

    • 45caliber

      I would love to see an amendment that changes the way Congress is paid. Instead of them setting their own pay as they do now, they are paid by the states – and their pay is set by the states. So what if one Congressman or one Senator doesn’t get the same as another one? The same for their bennies. And if they don’t function, they don’t get paid. It would immediately insure they worked for the states and not themselves.

      • professor

        These politicians go to Washington to become wealthy! That should be stopped. Get rid of lobbyist, this should be against the Law. No one should have access to Congressmen and offer them bribes, in any form! (Like hiring a wife or daughter at a huge salary and them never having to show up at work. Or, being given a Villa, out-of-country.)

        These politician should work for a “modest salary,” with an office and a small staff,….that is it! It should be “an honor” to serve the people!And, Term limits is good enough for the president and it should be good enough for Congressmen. After their “term,” the politicians need to go home to work and live under the Laws they passed! There never should be a, “lifetime, career politician!”

      • http://?? Joe H.

        45caliber,
        like I said awhile ago, their pay should be connected to the economy. If the economy goes down so does their pay. If it stays level so does their pay. If it goes up, they may have a raise equal to the rise in the economy! Watch those suckers work THEN!!!

        • Kate8

          Joe H. – You might be on to something there.

          At the very least they should not be able to vote themselves pay increases during times like these.

          And pay increases should be subject to approval by the people (who pay them), anyway.

          Where else does an employee get to set their own pay, and without the slightest regard for their employer?

  • robt shrugged

    the states prior position gave the states the last word because they appointed the senators who represented the state not the people. the people had the house, democracy which is bad. our founding fathers had it right and it worked untill the civil war. now we are gone for good.

  • jopa

    I think Mr. Ringer is in the wrong country.Eighty percent of Americans think Congress does suck because some of them(Republicans) want to destroy Medicare, Social Security and Medicaid.With his way of doing things the disabled,poor,elderly, veterans,orphans, or anyone physically or mentally impaired should be put out in the street and left to die.That’s what makes this country so great in that the majority of Americans have compassion for their fellow man and not just the filthy rich.

    • ValDM

      Republicans??? Really??? Turn that around, sonny. You get an ‘F’ in paying attention.

      A few days past, President Obama stated that he could not guarantee that Social Security checks would be mailed on August 3 if the debt ceiling was not raised. I wonder if I am the only person interested in what he did not say.

      What he did not say:

      I will not be able to get my monthly check for $33,333.33, Vice-President Biden will not get his check for $19,225.00, and oh by the way, Michelle will be happy to give up a vacation until we get this mess straightened out.

      Congress will not be able to get their checks which average $14,500.00 per member. My Czars will not be able to receive their checks, some of which receive $14,350.00 per month and others receive $13,208.33 a month.

      My cabinet members will not receive their $15,941.66 monthly check. Their Deputy Secretaries will not be able to receive their $14,350.00 monthly check. Their Under Secretaries will not be able to receive their $13,208.33 monthly check. Their Assistant Secretaries, general counsels, and heads of minor departments will not be able to receive their $12,416.66 monthly check. My various administrators, board members, commissioners, and others will not be able to get their $11,633.33 monthly check.

      The Supreme Court will not be able to receive their $17,341.66 monthly check. The U.S. Appeals Court and Appeals Judges for the Armed Forces will not be able to receive their $14,591.66 monthly check. The U.S. District Court, Claims Court, International Trade Court, and U.S. Tax Court Judges will not be able to receive their $13,766.66 monthly check. And the Bankruptcy and Magistrate Judges will not be able to get their $12,665.33 monthly check.

      The gaggle of Washington TSA bureaucrats will not receive their $8,750.00 monthly checks. The tens of thousands of other various paper shufflers who are pigeon holed in various offices in Washington will not receive their checks which average more than $8,333.33 a month.

      What I heard coming from the lips of the President was that the only folks that should be concerned were people receiving Social Security checks. Isn’t it ironic that the only people he feels that he cannot assure with any degree of certainty that they will get their checks are the ones who need the money the most? The national average for all Social Security beneficiaries is $1,079.00 monthly, which totals a whopping $12,948.00 yearly; the money coming from a fund that most have paid into their entire working lives. Or put another way, the average Social Security recipient gets a check each month that equals about 3% of what the President receives each month; and in theory, they are getting back their own money.

      Never mind that the United States Constitution requires the President to pay Principal and Interest on the National Debt and then Federal Pensions before any other funds can be obligated. It is a foregone conclusion that Mr. Obama missed his constitutional law classes at Harvard.

      The mere fact that the President, any President, would threaten in any
      “thinly veiled” manner that the elderly would not get their pension checks is about as contemptible and fear mongering effort as any elected official could use for expediency. This is outrageous even for this chronic avoider of the truth!

      All seniors should reward this Prince of Politics in November 2012 in like manner for his obvious lack of respect for our welfare, physical and mental, and his attempt to manipulate the debt ceiling discussion using senior citizens as pawns.

      • professor

        Well said…

        That is the way “community organizers,” work! They make contemptible threats until they get their way! That is what community organizing is all about…

        • Phenry

          You keep using that incorrect spelling that Obama used (after all, English is not his native language, not sure what they speak in Kenya, but I’ll bet it isn’t English.

          The correct spelling of that word is not “community”, but “communist”. They are similar, so I can see how he, as a foreign born illegal immigrant, made the mistake. But YOU should know better (I’m assuming YOU were U.S. born, or at least have a positive IQ).

    • jibbs

      jopa says:
      August 16, 2011 at 10:00 am
      I think Mr. Ringer is in the wrong country.Eighty percent of Americans think Congress does suck because some of them(Republicans) want to destroy Medicare, Social Security and Medicaid.With his way of doing things the disabled,poor,elderly, veterans,orphans, or anyone physically or mentally impaired should be put out in the street and left to die.That’s what makes this country so great in that the majority of Americans have compassion for their fellow man and not just the filthy rich.

      *********************************************************************
      Social Security was destroyed when Pres. Johnson and his democaptic cohorts moved SS into the general fund and robbed it. If people are counting on SS & Medicare as their only means to live, why didn’t they save their money in their working years to help themselves? It seems that people with who were disabled or mentally impairded had plenty of help from churchs and the from the general public in all the years before these programs came into the picture.

      My family has givin more than our “fair share” towards helping many, many people, it should not fall on others to support those that did not prepair for there own future. I cannot support all of them and prepare myself for my OWN future and “golden years”.

      Where are the familys of the disabled and mentally challenged? Why are they not helping their own? In the end, familys used to help each other, but now the rest of the population is supposed to share all they have and thats bullsh!t. I don’t see the government helping me! and I don’t want them to.
      The federal government is suppose to defend our borders and keep the nation safe, not support those who care not to work and want everthing for FREE.

      What about all the dumbarses that keep popping out babie’s and then I have to support them too, maybe they should learn to stop pulling their pants off for every Tom, Dick, and Harry….if you can’t feed’em, don’t have’em and don’t lay the blame on me or anyone else, but the feds keep givin out free checks and thats bullsh!t !

      The government & tax payers are not you mother & father!
      the tet has dried up!!

      And the poor, whay are they poor? did they stay in school, did they improve themselves, did they bother to learn any skills???
      Learning doe’s not always involve college, it means using your brain to care and provide for yourself….If you want to write a chech..go ahead and do so again, and again, and again and soon you’ll be broke too.
      Give a man a fish, or teach him to fish.

      P.S.
      Don’t forget to thank your democrap buddies for all the freebies that the rest of us pay for.

      • 45caliber

        jibbs:

        “If people are counting on SS & Medicare as their only means to live, why didn’t they save their money in their working years to help themselves?”

        Primarily because most of our extra cash went to pay SS taxes – which were paid out to people who paid nothing in.

        • jibbs

          45caliber says:
          August 16, 2011 at 12:35 pm
          jibbs:

          “If people are counting on SS & Medicare as their only means to live, why didn’t they save their money in their working years to help themselves?”

          Primarily because most of our extra cash went to pay SS taxes – which were paid out to people who paid nothing in.

          **********************************************************************

          45caliber,
          Could you please explain what you mean, because that makes no sense, “that most of our extra cash went to pay SS taxes”
          Those taxes you paid were takin out of your check. Are you telling me that you had to pay extra taxes for SS out of your net income? My parents are in their late 70′s and mid 80′s and they never told me that their extra cash went to pay SS tax.

          They managed to save for their golden years and not just rely on SS. And they were not “rich” my father was a truck driver for more than 43 years and my mother worked part time for a Doctor. Yes, they enjoyed life when they were younger, but they also saved and invested some of their money for there future older years, so they could live a comfortable life along with money for a rainy day.

          • 45caliber

            jibbs:

            I’m speaking for the poor now who really depend upon SS for retirement. It was touted as that when it was set up.

            Most poor have only limited income. Most of it goes for food, shelter, and transportation. And the transportation is generally in poor condition because they can’t afford anything better. They depend upon maintenance, usually with used parts, to keep it running. (I grew up in a family that seldom made over $5,000 a year in income. A candy bar was a luxury.) As a result, the tax taken out for SS, etc. is a large slice of their income. They simply cannot afford to set aside money for their old age when they need it now to buy food.

            I can set aside more money but that also isn’t easy. But I have a much better income than they did. Consider – many poor work and live on a minmium wage of only a little over $5 an hour. That is about $250 or so a week – BEFORE taxes. Then they have to pay for rent (since they can’t afford to buy), food, etc. Clothing is generally picked up used for Good Will or similar. Where can they save for retirement?

          • Phenry

            You don’t seem to understand the concepts of “net” and “gross”. You also buy into the fallacy that your employer contributes part of your FICA. To an employer (like me), my cost for an employee is his NET pay, plus ALL payroll taxes (including “my” contribution), the cost of any benefits not covered by deductions from his “gross” pay, and even “overhead”. If the employee doesn’t bring in at least enough to cover ALL of that, they are fired, because they are dead weight holding back the organization. Say someone has a gross salary of $50,000. Their actual cost to me is $50,000 plus another 6.3% ($3150), plus an expensive (much more now with Obamacare) medical insurance plan ($10,000?), etc. So, that employee costs me AT LEAST $63,150. The “take home pay” is what remains after “your” FICA contribution, income tax withholding, various other taxes and a few deductions (maybe a small part of that insurance coverage cost). We employers LIE to you about what your “gross salary” is. We are required to by law.

            The whole ruse about the employer “contributing” part of your FICA breaks down for a self employed person. They of course get to pay the WHOLE FICA percentage.

            Another amazing thing is Obama’s idiocy about lowering the “employee’s” FICA contribution, while leaving the “employer’s contribution” intact. This is just the start of moving the entire “payroll tax” burden onto the employer. But as you can see from the above, that distinction exists only in the minds of employees and the government. Of course, since your benefits will depend on the amount you contributed, lowering “your” contribution will also lower your benefits later.

            HAVE A NICE (SOCIALIST) DAY!

    • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

      jopa and ValDM

      Republicans plan to eliminate Medicare and Social Security and then … strengthens Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security … Republicans want to eliminate and destroy …

      http://www.americaforpurchase.com/republicans/republican…eliminate-medicare-and-social-security

      • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

        jopa and ValDM

        Republicans are at it again, you know, their plan to eliminate Medicare and Social Security and then privatize these programs so the big insurance companies and Wall Street can make more money from America’s senior citizens.

        Republican Wisconsin Congressman Paul Ryan wants to eliminate Medicare altogether and replace it with some vouchers seniors can use to buy health insurance with a new Republican sponsored plan (H.R. 4529) called a Roadmap for America’s Future.

        Ezra Klein, Matthew Yglesias and TPM all noted, the GOP’s Paul Ryan is making the privatization of Medicare the centerpiece of a new Republican deficit reduction gambit.Ryan’s Republican ‘plan’ would privatize Social Security by placing these funds in the Wall Street stock market perhaps invested with ‘too-big-to-fail banks such as AIG and Citibank. Perhaps Republicans plan to choose for each American where our money is invested, likely in those Wall Street corporations who give Republicans massive campaign donations. Americans would be limited in the choices to on where we could invest our personal retirement funds. In the wake of a Wall Street meltdown that evaporated the retirement savings for countless thousands of Americans, the Republicans are calling for an encore. Remember Republicans are fighting tooth-and-nail against regulating Wall Street.

        Also, this plan would cut taxes for the rich and increase taxes for America’s seniors and for the middle class and Medicare would be allowed to wither on the vine. This is basically the exact same plan President Bush tried in 2005 but failed to pass.

        This Republican plan would “disproportionately benefit the highest-income Americans and reduce revenue by trillions of dollars over the next decade and would pose unfair and greater risks by giving seniors and retirees lower quality medical coverage. The whole reason Medicare was put in place in the first place, rather than just hiking Social Security benefits, is that the individual insurance market does not work and it especially does not work for senior citizens.

        The Republican proposal says it provides universal access to affordable health insurance, by shifting the ownership of Medicare health coverage from the government and U.S. employers to individuals. It provides a refundable tax credit, $2,500 for individuals and $5,000 for families, to purchase coverage, which now costs an American family $14,000 a year, the balance of insurance would be paid ‘out-of-seniors’ pockets! Talk about “pulling the plug on grandma”!

        Insurance companies will continue to “cherry pick” among the healthiest seniors and deny coverage to everyone else. This Republican plan limits seniors choices of insurance providers to a pre-determined list, seniors will not be free to choose.

        Ezra Klein parses “I wouldn’t balance the budget in anything like the way Ryan proposes. His solution works by making care less affordable for seniors. I’d prefer to aggressively reform the system itself so the care becomes cheaper, even if that causes significant pain to providers. I also wouldn’t waste money by moving to a private system when the public system is cheaper. But his proposal is among the few I’ve seen that’s willing to propose solutions in proportion to the problem. What Ryan is doing is dangerous because it answers the question of how you solve the problem. Whether or not you like his answer, you have to give him credit for stepping up to the chalkboard.”

        Paul Ryan says his current plan “rescues and strengthens Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security, allowing them to fulfill their missions and making them permanently solvent.” IT DOES NOT!

        With the publication of the Republican “shadow” budget by Ryan, the GOP is now proposing exactly what just weeks ago it claimed to decry: rationing Medicare.

        This is the Republican vision for running America. The Party who championed the greatest financial collapse since the Great Depression, who left President Obama with a $1.3 trillion dollar debt, who pillaged taxpayers with record breaking pork spending, who never said NO to one spending bill during the 8 years of the Bush Administration, who approved a multi-billion prescription drug program without paying for it.

        Before Medicare was passed in the mid 60’s half of America’s seniors had NO medical insurance, they lived below the poverty line and Republicans want our senior citizens to go back to that failed era.

        Republicans want to continue the massive distribution of wealth to reward Wall Street, Big Oil, Big Banks, Health Insurance and Pharmaceutical companies and reduce the wealth of Middle America and our seniors.

        This is why Republicans have dishonestly fought health care reform and regulating banks and Wall Street and are courting Wall Street to support their GOP agenda financially.

        Every popular government program has a place in American society however, Republicans want to eliminate and destroy all programs. Make no mistake, the vision and goal of the Republican Party and their ‘teabagger’ supporters is to remove all government ‘entitlement’ programs, the programs they call ‘socialism’.

        The Republican vision for Americans is about “rationing” and “cuts to Medicare” which have been the twin pillars of Republican fear mongering. This is not new for the Republican Party:

        1935: Almost all Republicans in Congress opposed the creation of Social Security.
        1939: 75% of Republicans in Senate try to kill legislation providing Social Security benefits to dependents and survivors as well as retired workers.
        1950: 79% of the Republicans in the House and 89% of Senate Republicans voted against disability insurance to defeat it.
        1956: 86% of Republicans in Senate oppose disability insurance.
        1961: Ronald Reagan tried to prevent Social Security implementation.
        1964: George H.W. Bush: Described Medicare in 1964 as “socialized medicine.”
        1964: Republican Barry Goldwater ““Having given our pensioners their medical care in kind, why not food baskets, why not public housing accommodations, why not vacation resorts, why not a ration of cigarettes for those who smoke and of beer for those who drink.”
        1965: 93% of Republicans in House and 62 percent in Senate voted to kill Medicare again.
        1981: President Ronald Regan and Republicans cut $24 billion from Social Security.
        1981: 99% of Republicans in the House and 98% in the Senate voted for legislation containing $22 billion in Social Security and Medicare cuts.
        1982: President Ronald Reagan and Senate Republicans proposed $40 billion in benefit cuts over three fiscal years
        1996: Republican Bob Dole openly bragged that he was one of 12 House members who voted against creating Medicare in 1965. “I was there, fighting the fight, voting against Medicare”.
        2004: Every Republican voted against the solvency of Social Security and Medicare under President George W Bush.
        2005-2006: President George W Bush and Republicans tried to privatize Social Security opting to put some funds into the Stock Market
        2009: 137 House Republicans voted to convert the Medicare program that provides 46 million Americans with health insurance into a system of vouchers
        Sep 2009: In September, Sarah Palin penned a Wall Street Journal op-ed which similarly called for “providing Medicare recipients with vouchers that allow them to purchase their own coverage
        Feb 2010: Republican Michele Bachmann said “people need to be weaned off Social Security and Medicare and that, essentially, the American social safety net ought to be privatized”
        Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-FL): “The Republican’s plan of giving seniors vouchers that don’t keep pace with medical costs, privatizing Social Security into the stock market, and providing massive tax cuts to the wealthiest 1% are the failed policies that Americans rejected just two years ago.”

        Rep. John Larson (D-CT), Chairman of the House Democratic Caucus: “Their plans would put an end to these programs as we know them and deny millions of seniors the stability and security they’ve provided.”

        Rep. Kendrick Meek (D-FL): “Their renewed call to privatize Social Security and tie benefits to the ups and downs of the stock market is nothing more than a game of Russian roulette.”

        Rep. Xavier Becerra (D-CA), Vice Chair of the House Democratic Caucus: “The Republican budget proposes to end Medicare as we know it…I don’t understand how replacing the nation’s most effective health insurer with inefficient health insurance companies…would ensure that our seniors continue to have access to quality, affordable health care.”

        The Republican vision for Americans is about “rationing” and “cuts to Medicare” which have been the twin pillars of Republican fear mongering.

        1. Cut Taxes for Americas Wealthiest individuals and Corporations

        2. Remove all existing Regulations

        3. Remove ALL Trade barriers for the Multi-national Corporations

        4. Destroy all remaining FDR and Democratic Party advances in the past 100 years geared towards the middle class and poor.

        Americans and especially senior citizens must remember America is a participatory Democracy. Our democracy depends on concerned citizens voicing their opinions directly to the people whom they elect. I believe part of the reason why public discourse got so skewed in America on health care reform is that the right wing noise machine, those ‘teabaggers’ got unnecessary media coverage. Main Stream Media is not about what is best for Americans; it’s about ratings and profits.

        The Democratic Party finally advanced some health care reform proposals aimed at slowing growth in Medicare spending while maintaining quality of care, along with giving Americans options for health insurance providers (free market), but Republicans viciously attacked all health care reform. I hope Americans are finally ‘connecting the dots’ to see the goal of Republicans is to destroy Medicare and Social Security.

        I encourage, I urge all Americans to contact their Congressional leaders and demand this Republican Plan be defeated. If you choose not to get involved, then your opinion might as well not exist.

        Do you really want to trust the likes of Sarah Palin, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, Michael Steele, John Boehner, Paul Ryan, Erica Cantor, Mitch McConnell and the entire Republican Party to do what is right for your family?

        • jibbs

          Do you want to trust, obama, Reid, Pelosi, Schumer, union thugs… the list could be endless. If you want to keep supporting those who are to lazy to work, and supportpeople whp have kids just to get a bigger check…please write a check from your account.

        • jibbs

          BTW, We are a Republic, not a democracy and thank your friend LBJ(a democrat) for putting SS into the general fund.

          • bob wire

            So true! Lyndon did that ~ and thank 43 for keeping the Iraq and Afghanistan off the books completely and the final surprise in the mail.

        • ValDM

          coal miner,
          I’ve read your rather lengthy post (most of your posts are either lengthy or link to nothing as the article you’re quoting has been pulled). In fact, I read most of your post, which was really a lot of hot air, as it only deals with the past (we on this website are trying to deal with the present). This will be the last time I EVER recognize or ligitimize ANYTHING you post since you can’t stop repeating that defamatory term “teabaggers”. When you grow up & stop slinging foul epithets in your need to be recognized as an adult, then & only then will you truly be an adult. Then & only then will you be recognized & replied to as a thinking & reasoning grown-up. Until then, go back to the sand box, child.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Did you ever consider that your phony caring is just that. If you “care” so much, stick your hand in your own pocket and start caring.

  • Vern Holford

    There is one ray of sunshine. Ron Paul is now a front runner. Getting the media to admit it is our job.

  • http://moniquer7 Merlin

    N.P. is probably the third most dangerous person in the country and she is not to be trusted. Her Grand Bargan is scfam. She does not bargain. She will attempt to cram what she wants down everyone elses throat just lik obamuncare.

  • dhellew2

    We’ve identified the problems with social security (SS):
    THERE IS NO SOCIAL SECURITY FUND ONLY THE OBLIGATION FOR ONE!
    Government borrowed the SS money at 5% interest
    Government says SS is not a retirement fund
    Government employees never contributed to SS
    Government only generates expense

    Government generates no income, therefore,
    Government cannot pay back the SS money they borrowed
    Government cannot pay interest on the SS money they borrowed

    Government expense is paid by private sector businesses and workers
    Government entitlement is paid by the private sector too
    Government workers are 50% of the workforce
    Government payroll deductions are NOT a contribution
    Government payroll deductions are just a reduction in net pay
    Government tax revenue is paid by 30% of the eligible workforce
    Government employees do not pay taxes, their pay is taxes

    The fix: step one stop SS payments to everyone that paid nothing into it (70% of the eligible workers)especially government because most have two or more retirement plans. Step two reduce taxes for private sector businesses so they can afford to hire those from Step three… reduce the number of government employees which will reduce government expense then they can get a job in the private sector and help pay the taxes that supports government spending.

    • 45caliber

      I agree. But that is too simple for them. Where are the loopholes? After all, shouldn’t the government workers be allowed to draw from SS – even though they have paid nothing into it – just as they can draw from their other retirements?

      • moonbeam

        No one should receive SS benefits if they have put nothing into the system. Even people who are not citizens of the US are receiving SS benefits. This is a travesty.

        I’ve commented before about the person I know of here from Jamaica, who conveniently “hurt his back” and is now receiving SS benefits because of it. He is not a citizen nor has he taken the test to become a citizen. He has receive a lot more in benefits than he has put in. I recently heard he’s a drug dealer, which means he is making money hand over foot, plus his SS check.

        My back hurts too, dammit, but I receive nothing for it. I was born and raised in the US and can’t get shyte!

        In fairness to the taxpayers, he should be sent back to his homeland. He should not be allowed to abuse our system. Since he says he can’t work to pay for his keep, he needs to go back to Jamaica immediately.

        Mexico has it right! You can’t go there, have a bunch of babies, hurt your back, etc, and jump on welfare or their SS system. They won’t have it. Their attitude is you will not come here and drain our resources. Come to America where that crap is allowed.

        Then you can protest in the streets about wanting your “rights” in a country where you illegally reside.

  • James

    If passing out unemployment checks helps the economy, then giving everyone a million dollars should solve all our problems.

    • jibbs

      And it’s cheaper than the bailouts they gave out!

    • moonbeam

      Had they done that instead of giving out stimulus money to the liars, whores and thieves, that would have put money into the hands of the people who would have started businesses, bought homes, cars, appliances, etc. This country would have been flourishing by now. People would be spending money.

      As it stands even the rich are holding on to their money, and of course, We The People who are struggling to make ends meet have no money to spend on extras are living crumb to crumb.

  • 45caliber

    This committee is set up for one purpose only – to stall off the voters.

    They can meet and talk and come up with some minor stuff – and it won’t do or change a thing. There isn’t even any way to insure their “cuts” actually happen or work if they do happen. Everything is the same as usual in Washington.

    If they can stall long enough, the election might even be over before they actually make any decisions – and if they wait until after the election, they are certain, the voters will have forgotten all about this by the next election.

    What we need is for Congress to balance the budget NOW. They can do it if they wish. It might mean that some more popular things are reduced, it will mean that some will be eliminated, but it can be done.

    The problem is that the real place to start is on programs that haven’t gone into affect yet – such as Oblamacare. That would reduce spending by as much as a trillion a year once it goes into affect.

    It may be a good program but we can’t afford even good programs right now if they are new. We need to eliminate all we can and wait until we get increased money in before we add any new things. But some people just can’t accept that.

  • James A. Olson

    Nancy has had a stroke. Her speech is slurred at times and she hardly ever makes sense. She needs to step down, go see a doctor, and leave the political scene.

  • Jay

    Thousands of progressive activists meeting in Vegas
    By: CNN Senior Producer Kevin Bohn

    Las Vegas, Nevada (CNN) – Organizers of the annual Netroots Nation convention, beginning Thursday, hope what happens in Vegas does not stay in Vegas.

    With the president’s poll numbers hurting and chatter increases about the possibility of major defeats for Democrats in this year’s mid-term elections, sponsors of the fifth conference hope the ideas and techniques that emerge from the participants will help propel the progressive agenda and spur action by the more than 2,200 progressive activists participating. It is billed as the largest gathering of the Democratic base in advance of the November election.

    While the president still has an over 80 percent approval rating among Democrats, it has slipped a bit. As for the Democrats running this year, they are facing a large enthusiasm gap. Only 32 percent of Democrats said they were extremely or very enthusiastic about voting this year compared to 54 percent of Republicans, according to a May 21-23 CNN/Opinion Research Corporation Poll.

    Some 80 groups and organizations, many of them key constiuencies of the liberal wing of the Democratic party, are sponsoring NetRoots, including the AFL-CIO, SEIU, AFSCME, MoveOn.Org as well as the Democratic National Committee’s Organizing For America wing.

    There are over 150 different panels during the four-day event, ranging from voter contact: warming up the cold call; to channeling the power of jobs, populism and the angry voter; to how to respond to attacks on community organizers. Those sessions include a wide variety of activists, Democratic Party leaders, officeholders and candidates.

    The convention occurs at a time when some in the progressive community are disappointed in the Obama Administration for not pushing harder for more of their agenda. Specifically they point to the exclusion of the public option in the health care overhaul and some of the nation’s biggest banks were not broken up in the financial overhaul package just signed by the president. Other attendees however have blamed Congress for blocking some of those actions, especially in the Senate through the use of the filibuster, and say that is why more Democrats need to be elected.

    How to shrink that gap will be one of the key topics among attendees. Among the major speakers at the convention are House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, Sen. Al Franken and Montana Gov. Brian Schweitzer. Also speaking at a seminar is Elizabeth Warren, chairwoman of the congressional panel that oversees the government’s bailout programs. Several progressive groups are mounting a petition to encourage the president to select her as the first head of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, which is part of the newly signed financial reform law. She has ruffled some in the administration for being too vocal in her actions.

    Also present will be a large group of progressive bloggers. The convention, formerly known as Yearly Kos, first began with a technology and blogging emphasis as activists increasingly gathered on line to influence government action. Now it has morphed into a more general gathering for the wide range of progressive interests and organizations as well as those who want to use new media to communicate.

    Several of the panels emphasize that topic, including using new media to break through barriers, online to offline engagement and extending our reach: new tools for online progressives.

    One interesting attendee is Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood, a former Republican member of Congress. He is participating in a panel entitled Bikes, trains, stimulus and the Obama Cabinet’s biggest surprise.

    Meanwhile, about 1,000 conservatives will also gather in Las Vegas this weekend in a convention to counter NetRoots. On Friday and Saturday RightOnLine, sponsored by the group Americans for Prosperity Foundation, will feature Nevada Republican Senatorial candidate Sharron Angle, Republican Reps. Mike Pence and Michelle Bachmann and several conservative radio talk show hosts. As is true with NetRoots, sponsors of the conservative version aim to teach attendees how to become more effecitve in online activisim and with new media.

  • http://msn Kerri

    Seems to me this supper commitie would be unconstitutional. They are doing the work that is the responsibility of Congress. Congress is making itself null and void. There should be a huge outcry on this issue.

  • bob wire

    ” Pelosi, who has previously said she believes unemployment benefits are the greatest job creator known to mankind”

    Did she say that or do you embellish Mr. Ringer? ~ I looked for it ~

    and it comes back to you ~ ??????

    I can believe she might have said something similar in defense of the unemployed.

    It looking like we are left with little options but restrict unemployment, it was never designed to do the job it being asked to do today.

    This will have long lasting ramifications, create “fire sales”, the “transfer of wealth” will move at a faster pace. The rich will get richer and the poor poorer.

    Homes will be sold on the cheap,people displaced, family’s split up, everyone’s property values will drop while taxed value will remain high. The welfare roles will expand. Government revenue will drop as consumer buying drops off.

    When Walmart becomes an empty parking lot, ~ I will start to worry about myself and less about others. Today, my concerns are for others.

    “Desert Fart” put me so low, I had to stand on a stool to reach the bottom. Everything stopped. They rolled up the sidewalks and stop projects in mid construction. I lost everything but my name.

    I’m beginning to think the American people enjoy suffering from the choices they make and the things they say and support. It a Christian/Jewish thing ~ born into sin and to suffer is to be inescapable. We like it!

    • Jay

      Nancy Pelosi, on”unemployment extension benefits”.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOvEsPSeE9c

    • Song

      bob w. you must fancy yourself a poet or something. You talk in circles without saying anything and yes, Nancy Pelosi did say those very words. The clip was played over and over again for days.

      • bob wire

        Hmm, I’ve not been keeping current with the news of late. It doesn’t sound like a very smart statement, one that can stand alone. I’ll look for context later, Thanks

        I’m not always trying to make a statement Song. I ask questions, confront bold off color statements and ask people to think for themselves in a honest manner, not giving into the herding instinct that is far too common on these threads.

        as for me, I can be no more then what you think I am. Can I?

  • robt shrugged

    Jibbs I paid out of my paycheck for social security, and medicare. SSI and Fica. I never trusted the government because you have to be a crook to be a politician. I am entitled to my social security check which is a pension fund forced by the government to participate in at the point of a gun. the constitution says that the government is required to pay pensions. I see that you believe that if the government says you have to go to church on sundays that you have to. when obama says he does not have to pay pensions he is lying which is nothing new for him. I am not a donkey nor an elephant but i am a constitutionalist. please help us get rid of all the socialists communists and other political crooks out of office.

  • robt shrugged

    hey coal miner it was obama who took 500,ooo,ooo,ooo from social security and 5oo,ooo,ooo,ooo from mecicare to pay for menicade for illegal alliens and othrs. now who is trying to destroy medicare and social security??? could it be your democrats and liberals and socialists?

  • robt shrugged

    enough said we are lost and losing everything thanks to obama,polosi, and reid.

  • chuckb

    robt shrugged,
    coal miner knows that, sometimes if you don’t notice things they just go away. the bolsheviks don’t worry about where the funding for these programs come from it’s their entitlement mentality, educated in the ranks of the unions.

  • Jay

    Friends of the Poor

    We know liberals are against poverty, right? Otherwise, why all that talk of making the rich pay their fair share. But if you actually look at socialist countries, the poor aren’t exactly coming out ahead. What’s the problem?

    The problem is that liberals are not into enriching the poor, but removing what they consider the upper class, and turning over control of the economy to themselves. But a centrally planned economy leads to more poverty, not less. Take away the ability to go up the economic ladder, and how can poverty end?

    It can’t. But ending poverty was never the idea. Wealth redistribution is a neat catchphrase, but the reality is that the rich and the middle class are purged to make way for a new rich and middle class composed of party members. Their brand of equality is not about helping the poor, but putting themselves in charge and imposing an artificial standard of fairness in order to build a perfect society. Before Communism came to Russia, the poor begged on the street. After Communism, begging was illegal and the poor were deported to labor camps as parasites. Because once society is made equal, anyone who’s still unequal must be an exploiter or a parasite.

    You can’t end poverty, except through opportunity, and that’s the one thing their social system doesn’t offer. It’s why America under Obama is poorer than ever. Jobs aren’t created by confiscating wealth, but by encouraging free enterprise. But when the goal isn’t to create jobs, but to create a static society where everyone knows their place, then their way is best. All totalitarian movements are at their heart, reactionary. Even if they’re cloaked in red t-shirts and rock concerts. And reactionary movements are often spearheaded by an upper class trying to deny social mobility to the working class. And when you take a magnifying glass to liberalism, that’s exactly what it looks like.

    Of course this isn’t an original observation. Orwell’s Oceania in 1984 worked on the same exact principle. Orwell was warning about the rise of a totalitarian left with no regard for human rights. But it’s already here.

    Friends of the Poor
    We know liberals are against poverty, right? Otherwise, why all that talk of making the rich pay their fair share. But if you actually look at socialist countries, the poor aren’t exactly coming out ahead. What’s the problem?

    The problem is that liberals are not into enriching the poor, but removing what they consider the upper class, and turning over control of the economy to themselves. But a centrally planned economy leads to more poverty, not less. Take away the ability to go up the economic ladder, and how can poverty end?

    It can’t. But ending poverty was never the idea. Wealth redistribution is a neat catchphrase, but the reality is that the rich and the middle class are purged to make way for a new rich and middle class composed of party members. Their brand of equality is not about helping the poor, but putting themselves in charge and imposing an artificial standard of fairness in order to build a perfect society. Before Communism came to Russia, the poor begged on the street. After Communism, begging was illegal and the poor were deported to labor camps as parasites. Because once society is made equal, anyone who’s still unequal must be an exploiter or a parasite.

    You can’t end poverty, except through opportunity, and that’s the one thing their social system doesn’t offer. It’s why America under Obama is poorer than ever. Jobs aren’t created by confiscating wealth, but by encouraging free enterprise. But when the goal isn’t to create jobs, but to create a static society where everyone knows their place, then their way is best. All totalitarian movements are at their heart, reactionary. Even if they’re cloaked in red t-shirts and rock concerts. And reactionary movements are often spearheaded by an upper class trying to deny social mobility to the working class. And when you take a magnifying glass to liberalism, that’s exactly what it looks like.

    Of course this isn’t an original observation. Orwell’s Oceania in 1984 worked on the same exact principle. Orwell was warning about the rise of a totalitarian left with no regard for human rights. But it’s already here.

    Friends of the Poor
    We know liberals are against poverty, right? Otherwise, why all that talk of making the rich pay their fair share. But if you actually look at socialist countries, the poor aren’t exactly coming out ahead. What’s the problem?

    The problem is that liberals are not into enriching the poor, but removing what they consider the upper class, and turning over control of the economy to themselves. But a centrally planned economy leads to more poverty, not less. Take away the ability to go up the economic ladder, and how can poverty end?

    It can’t. But ending poverty was never the idea. Wealth redistribution is a neat catchphrase, but the reality is that the rich and the middle class are purged to make way for a new rich and middle class composed of party members. Their brand of equality is not about helping the poor, but putting themselves in charge and imposing an artificial standard of fairness in order to build a perfect society. Before Communism came to Russia, the poor begged on the street. After Communism, begging was illegal and the poor were deported to labor camps as parasites. Because once society is made equal, anyone who’s still unequal must be an exploiter or a parasite.

    You can’t end poverty, except through opportunity, and that’s the one thing their social system doesn’t offer. It’s why America under Obama is poorer than ever. Jobs aren’t created by confiscating wealth, but by encouraging free enterprise. But when the goal isn’t to create jobs, but to create a static society where everyone knows their place, then their way is best. All totalitarian movements are at their heart, reactionary. Even if they’re cloaked in red t-shirts and rock concerts. And reactionary movements are often spearheaded by an upper class trying to deny social mobility to the working class. And when you take a magnifying glass to liberalism, that’s exactly what it looks like.

    Of course this isn’t an original observation. Orwell’s Oceania in 1984 worked on the same exact principle. Orwell was warning about the rise of a totalitarian left with no regard for human rights. But it’s already here.

    http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/28147

    • bob wire

      I don’t believe it’s a matter of “against or for” Jay.

      Might re-frame you’re conclusions.

      Who is “for poverty”? ~ That’s much like “Pro Life” what’s the options and any forgone conclusion inside such a framework of babble?

      That’s like ask someone if they still beat their wife?

  • DaveH
  • Mad Max

    We know our government can’t fix itself. That’s our job. And until we do our job, things are to continue to fall apart.

    Memo to America: Stop waiting for Democrats and Republicans to save you. It’s bad for your health and your future. Can’t you tell?

    “WAKE UP PEOPLE!”
    Read “Common Sense 3.1” at ( http://www.revolution2.osixs.org )

    • bob wire

      Ouch ! that hurt ! Damn reality !

      pointed posting Mad Max. ~

      It’s late , I’ll follow up your link tomorrow. I hope it offered thoughts on solutions that are actually doable.

      We are running short on time to act.

    • jibbs

      Mad Max says:
      August 16, 2011 at 8:01 pm
      We know our government can’t fix itself. That’s our job. And until we do our job, things are to continue to fall apart.

      Memo to America: Stop waiting for Democrats and Republicans to save you. It’s bad for your health and your future. Can’t you tell?

      “WAKE UP PEOPLE!”
      Read “Common Sense 3.1” at ( http://www.revolution2.osixs.org )

      **********************************************************************

      That website wants to make us a democracy, it’s the first line in “Revolution 2.0″
      The fact is, democracys ALWAYS fail!
      WE ARE A REPUBLIC!

  • big wyo

    bob wire – I have noticed for quite some time that you have unlimited time to put towards these sites. You fancy yourself a wordsmith but I see a lot of hot air and self promoting. Are you on the govement take or is this actually your job. If you havent noticed the readers of this site hate you and most of the intelligent replys simply wont acknowlege your existence. Good for them. RESIGN BOB AND TAKE STRETCH AND OBUMMER WITH YOU.

  • Riding High

    Robert Ringer is at it again, sticking his head out of the sand and trying to convince you the GOP caved. Typical revisionary gobbledy-gook by someone who will deceive you while looking directly at you. If any of you remember it was the Obama people caving. So if you watched the news recently the truth should be known by the many, instead of the few fools trying to tell you otherwise.

  • Ridge Runner

    If you people don’t under stand what i am trying to say just read it, these people that run the socialists,communists governments are corrupt and will kill you in a mew york minute if you don’t toe the line.They will live high on the hog and the people that they let live will get by the best way they can.They will live in their big houses and the lowly people will live in the dirt. Ted turner Is one of them and he has made the statment that they needed to get rid of at least 4,000,000,000 people that is on the planet.Think i am lieing just check it out.Bill gates has donated 3,000,000,000 to the effort.(nwo) The only people that a socialists works for is the people that is running it.The idea of communism is good the only problem with it is that the people that usualy run the gov are corrupt and that is what is wrong with the countrys that have a communists gov. That is also what the people have in the u.s. have sat on their asses and let these thives do to our government.Wake up zombies

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