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A Word To The Wise…

October 12, 2010 by  

A Word To The Wise…

While Democrats prepare for the winter of their discontent, Republicans are practicing their best end zone dance moves. As a student of history, I thought I might offer a Santayana-style caveat. Presuming November produces the electoral Waterloo the Democrats deserve, the GOP needs to remember the lessons of the past. 

Let’s step into Mr. Livingston’s “Way Back” machine:

November, 1994. 

Led by an emergent Newt Gingrich, the Republican Party wrested control of Congress from the Democrat machine after 40 years of hegemony. Two years after a previously unknown governor from a previously politically unremarkable state wrested control of the White House after 12 years of Republican dominance, the GOP returned the favor.

Oh, what heady days for the right. Two years of Woodstock-in-the-White-House policies; and finally someone who wasn’t governing by acid flashback-induced hallucinations got a hand on the throttle —  as opposed to a hand on a plump intern. 

But the Republicans underestimated Bill Clinton’s resiliency. Unlike President Obama, Clinton wasn’t blinded by starry-eyed obedience to the teachings of Frank M. Davis, Saul Alinsky and John McKnight. Instead, Clinton was the consummate trial-lawyer/politician, interested only in winning. Following his party’s electoral stumble, Clinton and his advisors formulated a new plan: Co-opting Republican ideas and employing a supplicant media to give Clinton credit. Bolstered by sudden media interest in Clinton’s participation in the supposedly “centrist” Democrat Leadership Council, Clinton gambled on leaving his base support in the dust for “moderate” status (“moderate” in the liberal lexicon meaning: doesn’t wear old “Che” t-shirts while jogging). The Democrats traded “you wouldn’t spend it right,” and imposing taxes on imputed rental income (they actually tried it) for “I think I raised (your taxes) too much.”

The ploy – nicknamed “triangulation” by Clinton’s cronies – worked well, and two years after the Republican Revolution, Clinton squeezed through the Oval Office door — albeit without a majority of the vote against a moribund Bob Dole — for four more years. 

October, 2010. 

4 years after the Democrats regained control of the House of Representatives, voters are again restless for a House Cleaning. Speaker Pelosi and her minions, voted into the majority with promises of “draining” the so-called “swamp,” have proved to be averse to their own word. Congressional corruption, tyrannical decrees and oblivious incompetence are the rules of the day. Working in concert with the hopelessly inept President Barack Obama, Democrats have forced fond memories of 1994. 

Unemployment has skyrocketed into double-digits. Democrat responses to economic woes have involved disastrously harebrained schemes including propping up the union-ruined American auto industry, bailing out democrat-friendly Wall Street necktie pirates like Goldman Sachs, and protecting liberal sugar daddies through the passage of the DISCLOSE Act. However, before running back to their districts to try and save their jobs, they did manage to put a stop to one of the most fearsome threats to our national peace of mind: loud television commercials.

 The stage is set for a 1994-kind of historic election day. And despite their increasingly shrill assaults on Tea Party conservatives and increasingly desperate exoneration — or willful ignorance – of their own fellow travelers’ failures, liberals are worried about a new threat:  President Obama may lurch to the right “Clinton ’94″ style. 

On Saturday, one of the “diarists” riding the Dailykos.com intellectual short bus began shrieking:

“No matter what happens this November, we know what will be at least one aspect of the corporate media’s response: they will tell us that President Obama and the Democrats must move more to the center…”

He needn’t worry his 750cc cranium. Even if Obama wanted to emulate the Democrat-still-most-likely-to-grope-an-intern and “triangulate,” his math just isn’t good enough. Obama is a cult member, a wide-eyed aficionado of far-left Kool-Aid who’s been spoon fed by liberal sommeliers like Alinsky for decades. 

They’re worried about the “corporate media” pushing Obama to the right?  Which media might this be?  I somehow doubt Obama is going to log onto Mr. Livingston’s Letter and suddenly realize the Reverend Wright has it wrong. 

But there’s the rub. While the Democrats may not have to moonwalk backwards from an electoral Barbarossa come November, they’re going to feel the sting. And while Obama’s incompetence increasingly rivals former-worst-president-in-modern-history Jimmy Carter, I urge you to forget 1994, and consider 1980, and 2012. 

In 1980, faced with the thunderous approach of Ronald Reagan, Carter barely survived an intramural coup. In 2012, the Democrats will certainly consider sending Obama to the ash heap for someone they consider a winner. And this time around, Reagan is a bittersweet memory for conservatives.

Santayana was right:  “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."  A word to the wise should be sufficient.

Ben Crystal

is a 1993 graduate of Davidson College and has burned the better part of the last two decades getting over the damage done by modern-day higher education. He now lives in Savannah, Ga., where he has hosted an award-winning radio talk show and been featured as a political analyst for television. Currently a principal at Saltymoss Productions—a media company specializing in concept television and campaign production, speechwriting and media strategy—Ben has written numerous articles on the subjects of municipal authoritarianism, the economic fallacy of sin taxes and analyses of congressional abuses of power.

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  • s c

    Obama will move to the right the day saul alinsky comes back to life and repents. This prez owes his situation to masked puppet masters who demand complete obedience.
    This administration is imploding. Those who think in terms of business-as-usual or right vs. left or Republicans vs Democrats do not have a clue. This is a battle for America’s soul, and no one can afford to sit on the sidelines and claim to be an American when they let others do their thinking for them.

    • DR MOM

      Yes, sc, the rules HAVE changed. We have just a sliver of a chance to exercise our right to vote in a legal, constitutional government. God may yet be answering our prayers for a reprieve.
      Then, again, there is more than a sliver of a chance that in the next 2 weeks there will be an internally orchestrated “national emergency” that will either garner the masses behind the present nanny-government or be the excuse to postpone elections. Be prepared!

      • Conservatives United

        If the Illegal In The White House suspsends the elections, it will be the one thing that will start the Civil War in the nation. The people in this counrty have reached to I WILL TAKE NO MORE OF THIS, and there are far more of us than there are of them. I have talked to many Veterans, and they all feel that most of our military, and the recent Veterans will join us and will not fight against the people. This Liberal Marxist Socialist government knows this, and that for this most part they will be left dangling.

        • spike

          Dear Conservative…:
          I knew on election day, some 2 unhappy years ago, when I saw an old man, obviously a veteran, by the VFW hat he was wearing, on the island of a busy intersection with an Obama/biden sign. I knew once they had the old people and the vets, that the black vote would carry it. The black people, no matter how much they don’t agree with Obama, I don’t believe they can vote against their race. I just don’t believe it. How many times do you see a White person play a race card?
          But every blessed time that there’s an opportunity, the Black person will.

        • Karolyn

          Where did the idea of postponing elections come from? Rush Limbaugh? That’s crazy talk!

      • eddie47d

        No elections will be postponed by anybody left or right. More looney nonsense

        • JeffH

          fast eddie, you’re the consummate expert on loony nonsense,,,just re-read your own comments.

        • eddie47d

          Keep joining the fruitcakes Jeffy. Another lame conspiracy to put under your belt.You’re waist must be expanding as fast as your mouth.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            edduhhh,
            too bad your brain isn’t expanding!!! Of course it could double or triple and no difference!! Two or three times nothing is …..NOTHING!!!

    • BrotherPatriot

      The sooner that peeps actually see & understand who the “puppet masters” are that you speak of, s c…the clearer the whole equation becomes regarding why our world/country is the way that it is. It’s so much easier to not believe the evidence that exists and to blindly still think we have a impartial/fair 2 party system or that the UN is a good idea. Once you dig a little…see the history of who makes up these people and what they have done…you realize that these social degenerates have been working on their agenda for a long time now.

      USA is in the greatest crisis of it’s History. Things…have been wrong for a long time…court rulings, War’s, criminals getting off charges and then getting cushy government jobs…it’s all so very surreal. The cherry on top…a man who sits in our Presidents chair who we don’t even know if he’s actually even an American Citizen…(we already know he’s not NATURAL born). That Certification of Live Birth can’t even let you play Little League or get a Passport…but apparently it lets him be called the “President”. No need to impeach…that implies he had a right to be nominated…obviously, he doesn’t have that right. The burden of proof lies on him & he failed to produce it. He needs removed from office & this leads down & through Nanci Peloski as well…the greatest crisis America has ever faced.

      I recently just became an OathKeeper. As former Military…I swore my Oath and when I did that…it’s on my honor to stand beside it & the Constitution for all my life.
      :) God Bless. :)

      • Kate8

        Congratulations, BrotherPatriot. I honor your courage.

        I have sent my nephew (who is in the military) info on this, but I never heard back from him. I do know that he voted for O, but I think he regrets it.

        • BrotherPatriot

          Ty, Kate8. After reading about the couple who had their newborn baby taken from them due inpart to him being an OathKeeper…I couldn’t help but join in the fight beside my fellow Patriots.

          I had heard of the OathKeepers but thought it was only for active duty. I’m glad to have learned otherwise…very noble people. Talking common sense and stating what is only obvious to anyone who is a true Patriot.
          :)

          • http://YouTube.com/CanadaLarry Lawrence Edward Calcut

            Dear BrotherPatriot

            I posted this on another blog but with your permission I will post it here again. Its not about to change the subject but to inform you of what I think…

            Paste begin….
            At Bob Wire.

            Bob, I liked what you said when you said. “I don’t have a clue what you are going to do. The original Tea Party was over Taxation without Representation ~ Today you are being represented, just not to your personal liking. This is you[r] fault and you have accepted the call to change it.”

            Yes the original “The original Tea Party was over Taxation without Representation” This is not your you fault. but God willing you have accepted the call to change it.
            Why can America not start over, and this time without a bumch of Freemasons running the show with a/the evil Lucifanian Freemason agenda in the back of their evil minds. Yes all but 2 of the original signers were Freemason, and I am aware they all died for there belief shortly after. And the king(s) of Europe were not happy about the new republic.
            The Tea Party could save America from its final destruction, and thank God we don’t have to go to war with the King of England this time. Well, maybe we do, but without shedding any blood this time.
            The Tea party may well be the saving of America just as it started America so long ago.

            Once I used to love America and it people, now I only love it’s people.
            The Tea Party in power in Washington will change that for me.

      • JeffH

        BrotherPatriot, my hats off to you my freedom loving brother.

      • Angel Wannabe

        WELL SAID BP & CONGRATS!__HAT TIP TO JeffH & G Beck, for the encouragement to dig deeper for the truth_and it is quite astonding!!!!

        • JeffH

          Angel Wannabe, I’m here with all of you to share and learn…we’re getting much better at it.

      • Conservatives United

        BrotherPatriot I want to Thank You for your service to this nation.

        • BrotherPatriot

          *nods*

          I stand in great company.

          Thank you, Mr. Livingston for allowing this soap box.

      • spike

        Let’s all remember something folks: EVERYTIME A POLITICIAN CLAIMS he Made …..however many jobs…or bought them, more like it. What kind of jobs are they (government of course, you don’t think he went out and opened l00 businesses that employ 300 people a piece, right?) where did he get the money to “make those jobs”? did they just appear from heaven?

      • James

        I also have never considered myself released from my oath, I don’t believe many Marines do.

    • Kate8

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      If you want to know how to take back our power, go here:

      http://freedomforceinternational.org/

    • Dogma-Free

      Great post, S C…and so very true. But by reading most of the responses, most of the people here still just don’t get it.

      • BrotherPatriot

        It takes time for most to awaken…patience, brother. :)

  • JeffH

    Ben Crystal has another great atilcle presented here and I think this little snipit says volumes about O’man, something his little minions just refuse to grasp or even acknowledge.

    “Obama is a cult member, a wide-eyed aficionado of far-left Kool-Aid who’s been spoon fed by liberal sommeliers like Alinsky for decades.”

    This guy can’t lead a jackass to water anymore. Democrat’s that are running for various seats around the country prefer to ignore the POTUS when he arrives in their districts and states. Seems the Pied Piper’s rats don’t want to hear the music he’s playin even though they’re still his rats.

    One thing is for certain, the Democrats have set the standard when it comes to dirty campaigns. I just hope there are enough thinkers left to see through all the charades, lies and deceptions. In California, Jerry Brown says he’s changed and no new taxes…yeah, and I’m the new POTUS too!

    • Kate8

      JeffH, This is likely to be one of the nastiest campaigns yet. The distortions about more conservative (I say MORE because they have yet to prove themselves) candidates makes one’s head swim.

      Ol’ Barb knows which buttons to push to smear Fiorina to the entitlement crowd. Ditto ol’ Moonbeam toward Whitman.

      I know lots of people who won’t vote for Whitman just because she’s one of the extreme wealthy. I have my reservations, but Jerry Brown is more of the same. Been there, done that with him.

      At least Meg knows how to run a successful operation.

      • Robert S

        Who cares about California. They got what they deserve. Voting for a Nazi for governor who had no prior experience just because he made a couple of movies. { pretty terrible I might add }. They allowed themselves to be overrun by illegals who bankrupted the state while they were watching Lindsay Lohan go to jail.

        • http://naver samurai

          Speaking of no experience, couldn’t Obama bin Laden fit that category? How could you call Arnold a Nazi? They also just didn’t wake up one day and realize, dude there’s a lot of illegals here. I can’t really speak too much about California (I was stationed there from 1985 – 1986), but I’m sure JeffH and others can. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • sylviam

      Amen to all above, Jerry Brown was in the “CODE PINK” participants list. For any that does not know who they are, Jodie Eavens should ring a bell for you. He even had a thing going on with her, and SHE PERSONALLY TOOK THE PROCEDES FROM THE COLLECTIONS SHE AND HER GROUP GOT “MONEY” AND PERSONALLY GAVE IT TO THE TERRORIST GROUPS THAT ARE KILLING OUR MILITARY AND OTHER AMERICANS. Now he is calling his apponant, Meg Whittman a WHORE and other names. The list of NAMES on CODE PINK is out there, if you can find it read it.
      I think all should be prosecuted for TREASON, among other CRIMES.
      Obama is NOT going to the CENTER on anything, HE is NOT capable of even writing his own speeches much less giving them without help from the old teleprompter. OFF WITH THEIR HEADS, come NOV.
      GOD BLESS AMERICA

  • Tinwarble

    I have to disagree, Obama hasn’t been “spoon fed by liberal sommeliers”, but rather he has been funneled socialism, without spilling a drop, by a party of Mao loving bartenders. And now so drunk with power he doesn’t care what anyone thinks as he forms a lampshade with our money and dances around with is on his head. Only some this drunk (or the village idiot) could think that you can be nearly 14 trillion in debt, have no money and can spend another 50 billion for infrastructure without borrowing it from somewhere. Although, maybe they’re going to have a yard sale, better get those “Not for Sale” signs up on your front lawn, before you do have a “Now Owned by China” sign there.

    But even though this may end up being the Dems “Waterloo”, we Conservatives had better keep an eye on things, and make sure that those that we vote for actually share our conservative values. Instead of looking at this November as being 1994 all over, we should probably be looking more to 1776. Because if who we get in office this round doesn’t look to the Constitution to guide them, the next year that we may be looking at is 1861.

    • Robin from Arcadia, IN

      Tinwarble… Well said! I think we are seeing two sides to the Republican party emerge. Right now the lines are a little blurred, but it will take time to separate the Conservatives from the GOP. The GOP has slid in their thinking and platform towards the left. The Dems have always been left, but now are on the extreme left, which is going to sink their party. Republicans need to decide if they want to keep the RINO’s, or go with the Conservatives. I know which I will do.

      REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER!

      • Bus

        Some campaign promises for the next Republican candidate: I will repeal Obamacare totally! I will not employ czars! No executive orders will be issued! I will campaign for congress to slash the Dept’s of Energy and Education, and will look closely at a few others as well.

      • Kate8

        Again, go here: http://freedomforceinternational.org/

        A wealth of information and articles for lovers of liberty.

        The time is NOW.

      • Robert S

        Robin The Republican Party will never return to the party of smaller gov’t. Their making too much money to do the right thing.

        • http://naver samurai

          How about the libs named Clinton and Gore? Al Gore made more than $300 million telling a lie about global warming. Clinton charged up to six figures to give speeches and published a book about his life, of course he also printed many lies in that book. How about one’s that may not be that rich, but they will never do the right thing no matter what. Some other names are Boxer, Pelosi, Franks, Rangel, Hillary, Emmanuel, Alinsky, etc. Do these names also qualify for that? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • spike

      I have yet to be able to get an answer to the question: What if we win the house and the senate, and then he vetos everything?

      • Kate8

        spike, This is surely what would happen.

        But Congress can refuse to fund them.

        • http://naver samurai

          If the patriots take control of the House and Senate, we can always override his vetoes and make him sign legislation into law. If this POTUS really goes by the Constitution, that is. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Robert S

          Kate Nothing will change much no matter who gets in.

      • Tinwarble

        spike,

        Well, here’s the short answer to that. First, it will really depend on how many seats we control, but if the Republicans have majority control over both houses of Congress, having at least 2/3′s, then if Obama veto’s the bills, then the it will go back to Congress. At that time the Congress can either amend it and send it back to Obama to sign or veto again, or it can be passed into law by Veto Override. The override is rare though, & has only been done about 106 since 1779, but if Obama decides to veto everything you can probably look to see the override used a lot more.

        Hope that helps answer your question.

      • Robert S

        You aren’t going to win anything because the game is rigged.

      • James

        Override the Vetos

  • Kinetic1

    Interesting article, but like so many these days it plays fast and loose with the facts. Let’s face it, the right’s case against President Obama hinges on 1)the economy, 2)the Auto bailout and 3)the bank bailout. They have played these cards well, and many a voter has been duped into believing that the Republicans kept their hands clean and are now the only ones who can save us. BULL! One look at the charts shows that the economy was heading down hill even before the Democrats took back the House and Senate. Did they fix things, did they stop Bush’s failing policies? No. They made some stupid mistakes, including allowing President Bush to keep his wars off the books. If the two wars had been funded as they should have, Bush’s budget deficits would have made it clear just how bad things were. And now the right screams about Obama’s failure to fix the mess in less than 2 years while doing everything they can to hold the country back. Well played, as long as you don’t care about our country.

    Now on to 2 & 3. Fox news, Dec. 18, 2008: “Source: Bush May Announce Auto Bailout Plan Friday.” And he did. President George W. Bush started the ball rolling on the auto bailout, then left the mess for Obama to deal with. Funny thing is, many experts say it worked. Yep, it saved the auto industry and millions of jobs, but it’s better for the Republicans to point to it’s short comings and label it another Obama flop. To much pride in our country and they may not regain power!

    As for TARP, I’ll let you choose from the countless sources that will tell the story of President George W. Bush running into the room with his financial team, waiving a single piece of paper and telling all who would listen that we HAD to pass this new bill or our banking system would collapse; NOW! Two years later and TARP is pointed at as Obama’s failure by those who want to weaken him and the Democrats, and as a success by those who want to prop up Bush’s sorry legacy. Which is it folks? Was it a total failure and a sign that Obama doesn’t get it, or is it a Bush team success held back by his own parties desire to ensure victory in November by keeping President Obama from succeeding? Does the right really care about anything or anyone but themselves?

    • Robin from Arcadia, IN

      Kinetic1… You post often on this site and enjoy ticking Conservatives off. Too bad most of us think you are so far gone in your thinking that you can’t see anything clearly. Socialism will kill America. If that is your thing… find another country!

      Nobody is denying that both parties are to blame, but Barry and his buds are on steroids in their efforts to ruin our country. When you find that country that fits your thinking, take Barry and the guys with you. You can all sit around the camp fire and sing kumbyeya!

      • TIME

        Robin,
        Your just to nice, most of the people on this sight see this Twinkie for what it really is one who is many, his “syntax” tells the story.

        To use a phrase by Winston Churchill,
        “A modest little person, with so much to be modest about.”
        That sums up this one.

        • http://yahoo Robert

          Well said, by Kinetic1. If the repubs, get control again, and after two more years of failed policy, this will guarantee that President Obama, will be reelected.

          Repubs, won’t be satisfied, until they turn this country, in a third world economy. The only thing that stands between this, and the repubs “ideal” world, are the Progressives.

          • Angel Wannabe

            At’s funny as hell Robert, remember WHO HAS THE MAJORITY, C’mon put the toys down and man up!!!__ 2 years and counting, and Bambi has done more to destroy this country in his pathetic two years in office, than the 8 years of Bush-nogmics. They are ALL to blame! Bush wasn’t perfect, and he couldn’t public speak fer sh*t, but we weren’t attacked again after 9/11!___And IF you really knew half of what you think you knew, of what BOTH PARTIES have done to this once manificent Country, you’d be cryin a river. Take some time and READ UP MAN, READ UP!

          • alpha-lemming

            (Heavy sigh…… sound of head banging off the desk top)

          • Vicki

            Since Kinetic1 was pushing for facts we should note that tarp-1 was passed by democrats in a democrat controlled congress. It was then signed into law by a RINO (that would be a democrat in republican clothing.) And to add to Obama’s personal responsibility tarp-1 is one of the times he voted other than “present”

            http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=2&vote=00213

            Judge him by his actions not his words.

          • 45caliber

            Vicki:

            Of of the FEW times he voted other than present. Actually if someone is only voting present, he is accomplishing nothing – and therefore should have been dumped.

          • http://naver samurai

            So forcing healthcare down our throats, increasing taxes, bailouts, using union thugs to intimidate the opposition, etc., are good ideas for a modern day nation to have and use? This sounds kind of third world to me. Another thing, don’t forget which party has had the majority in the Congress and Senate since 2006 and look what has happened. Clinton, Carter, and now Obama bin Laden have done their best to destroy this country and our values. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Angel Wannabe,
            well said! Bush was pathetic by any standards other than 100% progressive but bambi puts him to such shame!!!

          • spike

            Hey, Rob,
            You are a drug smokin commie, same as ol barry. Let’s get it straight, Bush was a borderline dummy…BARRY’S A DYED INTHE WOOL COMMUNIST!

        • Karolyn

          Oh, and you’re such an intellectual. Pardon us peons.

    • http://aol wayne a

      KINETIC,you’re leaving out the facts you don’t want people to hear,typical obamacrat tactics!economy experts said the actually downturn of our economy began in the last 2yrs of clintons term but chose to do little about it.this was compounded by the signing of NAFTA by clinton.the clinton admin.finished with a surplus under 6yrs of a rep congress.when the dem took over congress in the last 2yrs of bush’s term unemployment was 4.77%,the gdp was 3.5%,the dow had just closed at 12,621.77 and bush had just set a record with 52 straight months of job growth.so the dem have controlled congress for 4yrs now,unemployment is at 10%,the deficit has tripled,we have a record number of people unemployed,record no. of home foreclosers,record no. of business failures,record no. of illegals,record no. of people living in poverty,the largest gov. workforce in history,largest federal payroll in history,40%higher than their private counterparts…..need i say more!

      • sylviam

        AND IN Bush’s last term IT WAS DEMS THAT VOTED DOWN EVERY THING THAT WAS BROUGHT BEFORE THEM ,EVEN IF IT WAS GOOD FOR AMERICA, THEY WERE INSTRUCTRED TO VOTE “NO” TO ALL THAT WAS PRESENTED. Now Bill Clinton, I voted for the bum and that was MY error. HE STARTED WITH OUR MILITARY , HE CUT BACK ON ALL SPENDING FOR THEIR UP_ KEEP, WIVES, CHILDREN, THEN STARTED ON OUR DEFENCE, SUCH AS WEAPONRY AND AMMO. The military families had to go on FOOD STAMPS and WIC. ALL THE WHILE HE AND HILLARY USED THE AIDES AS SLAVES TO THEM. BILL CLINTON did not care what went on in the world, just have another PHOTO OP. He was worthless as a PRESIDENT and HUSBAND as far as that goes.
        OBAMA IS WORSE HE WANTS TO KILL THIS GREAT NATION.
        REMEMBER NOV.
        GOD BLESS AMERICA

    • Vigilant

      Kinetic1 says, “the right’s case against President Obama hinges on 1)the economy, 2)the Auto bailout and 3)the bank bailout.”

      No sir, we won’t allow a progressive to limit the rules and assumptions of the right’s case. You left out just a few things: health care and its unconstitutional coersion of individuals to purchase a product, lack of promised transparency, pay to play, failure to enforce Federal immigration laws (sanctuary cities, etc.), failure to secure the sovereign borders of the USA, gratuitous abrogation of the 10th Amendment to the Constitution.

      Failure to enforce the voter protection laws, turning from post-racial to most-racial president, affronting the SCOTUS in a public forum (Congress), receiving illegal campaign contributions from foreign entities, violating established business law during takeover of the auto industry, hiring tax cheats, Communists and Maoists, bypassing legislative function of the US Congress through regulatory agencies such as the EPA, executive paralysis and incompetency during the BP oil spill, appointing Czars who admit they advocate redistribution of wealth (Berwick).

      Wasting taxpayers money to coddle the unions, teachers and trial lawyers to the exclusion of those who don’t contribute liberally to Dem causes, freezing the Republicans out of the legislative process solely to make a claim that they have no new ideas, blaming the previous administration for everything instead of manning up and taking responsibility, remaining perpetually in partisan campaign mode instead of being president of all the people.

      Cultivating class warfare purely for political ends, inserting himself into local situations where he should have kept his mouth shut, ignoring the riskiness of the burgeoning US deficit and encouraging the printing of paper money until the presses overheat, bowing and cowtowing to foreign princes and apologizing for the US whenever he has a chance, subscribing to world governance, appointing judges to the SCOTUS who have no respect for the Constitution, etc., etc., etc. And this is just the beginning.

      I think your list was too short.

      • 45caliber

        You are right. That is just the beginning.

        But the progressives want to limit our dislike to just one or two things (three in this case) to try to minimize our real problems. And, interestingly enough to me, he picks things that are as much Bush’s fault as Oblama’s to argue about.

      • JeffH

        Vigilant, right again as usual. Kinetic1 just like to play games with this websites participants.

        • Vigilant

          Thank you Jeff!

          • http://naver samurai

            Keep up the good fight, fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • BrotherPatriot

            Woah…Vigilant.

            ^^ That was awesome! ^^

            LoL.

        • eddie47d

          Gee Robin, I think you have 4 volunteers to help you sing kumbaiya. What a lovefest for right wing flower child’s.

          • JeffH

            Robin? You relly need to get off the drugs fast eddie.

          • eddie47d

            Goofy Jeff,go read Robins’ post so you can decipher what you are responding to.

      • dan az

        Has anyone here added up the treason charges yet?I would really like to know how many there is.

        • BrotherPatriot

          I stopped counting at…many…

          • http://?? Joe H.

            BrotherPatriot,
            I got farther than you did! All the way to many, many!!!!

        • dan az

          Thanks guys your a big help!

    • 45caliber

      Kenetic:

      Yes, the economy started going bad with Bush. But all of Oblama’s acts have only made it worse. The only jobs he has created are government jobs and he hasn’t “saved” a single one as far as I can tell. So he equally shares the blame – if not more so.

      • Kinetic1

        That’s odd, the most recent numbers show a decline in Government jobs (beyond just those created by the census) and a steady increase in the private sector.

        • http://naver samurai

          Then why is unemployment at 9.6% and true unemployment at 17.1%? Can you you answer the question for me? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Conservatives United

          Kinectic1, where did you get your statistics, from Your “Saviors” speech last weekend????????

          • TIME

            CU,
            I would say KYJ1 just made it up like 99.999% of what he post.
            From my vantage point I will say this again most small business owners I know are looking at closing up shop in December 2010, they can’t afford to stay in Business anylonger. The few that think they can make it longer, are not doing well and feeding their business’s out of their bank accounts / aka life savings.
            So in fact that would mean that even more jobs will be lost in less than 2 months unless something major happens.

            Something major happening well That’s as likly as space ships landing on the White House lawn.

            But KY Jelly 1 lives in a parrllel universe, where loly pops and cream cakes fill the streets. So what ever he post has the same value to the here and now as a baked cow pie. It still stinks.

        • spike

          Kinetic: Yeah, whose poll was this, and you ain’t seen nothin yet, if that healthcare bill gets funded. The beauracracy that thing they “rammed through” hasn’t even been calculated yet., and as for them ramming that through…why couldn’t they ram through a budget if they had nothing to hide, and everything was so hunky dory and they were so happy and pleased that everything was going so well????? I think you ARE a little Kinetic.

  • Warrior

    Good article Ben. Out with these self serving pimps!

  • s c

    What is it about people who don’t know the difference between ‘holding the country back’ and happily flushing it down a toilet? Can progressives be that retarded? The downside of GB’s legacy was in acting like a half-assed progressive. And STILL the other side bitches about GB and his ‘failed’ policies.
    What the hell is with you geekoids? You can’t have it both ways, no matter what your puppet masters tell you. It’s THIS simple, retards. If Herr Obummer gets what he wants, AMERICA IS HISTORY.
    Take your immoral economics, your treasonous role models, your anal retentive need for absolute power, and move your sorry, criminal asses to a country that will tolerate your presence. Before you leave, I want nothing to do with the cess pool you call Detroit. Send me a cashier’s check.

    • Bluejacket

      Don’t hold anything back, tell us what you really think, LOL!

    • TIME

      SC, You bring up a very good point, not that you don’t all the time but for today we will cove this one, “Progressives.”

      How do I know about them, Ok I will come clean with you all, My X wife was a Progressive, her family they are all progressives, her friends are all Progressives, all the people in the very large circle are all Progressives. Yes you did read that right.

      Its a long story and I am sure most of you would be bored to tears, but the facts are what I have said many times now, Progressive are interlinked with all the nut case groups, like the Marxist, the Democratic party, yes even the Rebublican party, as well as the Fabian Socialist, the Thule Society, the Nazi’s as a matter fo fact you can’t name one of the crazy radical groups thats not interwoven into this tapestry of loons.

      And if anyone thinks that the worlds total 500 million population is a joke. The joke is on you for not believing it. Years ago the cap and trade thing was being talked about, but it was going to be based on “Global COOLING.” But that was in the late 1970′s, now by using the massive amounts of sun spots etc. it was flipped about to be Global Warming. You really have to love the flipping to gain advantage.

      Thats all as true as the fact that if you cut off a finger with a dull knife it hurts.

      I don’t ever say anything lightly about progressives as what I say I have lived. I told you all I am a REAL LIBERAL, thus one who believes in totaly Freedom, I think they now call that a Liberitarian.

      I don’t like the Dems nor the Rebs, why they are both infested with progressives.
      I have told you all I have had lunch and dinner with many of the very people you see on your telie daily. I am not pulling your legs, when I tell you what they are doing ~ I am telling you what they say. I can’t produce a link to my lunch nor dinner conversations, nor a game of chess.
      With that Intel you can do as you wish, if you wish to think its not true, thats your mistake, if you can grasp it, then its your weapon use it to your advantage.

      If the house’s flip in November YOU, all need to work even harded to remove the Progressives that remain in both partys.
      If you don’t they will be back in force in less than 2 years and finish the job they started.
      Its up to all of you to WAKE UP as many sleeping sheep as you can.

      • Warrior

        Agree 100%. Now, don’t you feel better Time?

      • Angel Wannabe

        OMG!__So True Time!___God, if people would only read!!!!

        • dan az

          Angel
          they read between the lines which are the dead spaces with no meaning like the spaces between their ears.

      • 45caliber

        But they don’t really MEAN what they say!

        It drives me up the wall whenever I hear a progressive say that about something one of them said. I hear it all the time by MSM about some of Oblama’s mistakes.

        Actually, I believe they mean exactly what they say when those “mistakes” usually come out when they are talking to another of similar persuasion and are overheard. But then to cover up they say, “We don’t actually MEAN that! You just heard us wrong.”

        • dan az

          45
          their famous saying is that they misspoke!

      • sylviam

        i HAD A FRIEND THAT WAS progressive, AND SHE TRIED TO TELL ME THAT OBAMA WAS THE RIGHT ONE. I, for the life of me did not understand, how she came to that conclusion . But I have been learning more and more about PROGRESSIVESm, they are some that move slowly, some move a little fast, then there are those that MOVE AT SONIC SPEED. Yes they are all around us, and I thought how could I have lived 70 years and not seen this. BUT WITH TIRED EYES I DO SEE, AND IT IS NOT A PRETTY SIGHT. People PLEASE do not go back to SLEEP, keep your eyes open and be cautious about EVERY POLITITION and not what but HOW they say things. PLEASE VOTE EDUCATED in NOV.
        GOD BLESS AMERICA

      • JeffH

        TIME, I amongst many here can’t dispute your words…you’ve been above the board since your arrival and I can’t tell you enough about how appreciative I am to you and all the others about seeing through the right/left Republican/Democrat blame game.
        Thank you for your insight and continue to fight the good fight fellow patriots.

      • Karolyn

        I saw Jesse Ventura on GMA this morning, and it was very interesting. He thinks we should just throw out the party system altogether and vote for a person who qualifies. That sounds so logical and commonsense to me. How about you? I am afraid of Republicans. I think that’s the onlly reason I’m a Dem. All my life I’ve heard that the Repubs are for the rich, and from what I’ve seen, that’s true. Many of them are very frightening people – too radical in their thinking, whatever direction it may take.

    • Kinetic1

      “..the National Small Business Association will report that small businesses are struggling. According to the association’s midyear economic report, 41 percent can’t get adequate financing and the credit crunch is still in full force. And, among owners unable to secure capital, 44 percent said they have been unable to expand their business while 20 percent have been forced to cut their workforces.”

      The Obama administration wants to spur small business growth by providing businesses with capital gains breaks and offering small banks loan guaranties for these businesses. Anyone who has owned and operated a small business (or a big one for that matter) knows the importance of operating credit. By blocking this program, the type of program Conservatives usually champion, the Republicans are slowing down our recovery.

      This seems to be the plan: when the administration proposes to do anything to help bring jobs back to the US, to give businesses a tax break to get them back on track, or to provide incentives to hire the currently unemployed, block it. Whether or not the idea is one that was previously supported by the Republican party, block it. I’m sure they are still stinging from Clinton’s policy of taking Republican ideas and making them his own, but party power is no reason to make the American people continue to suffer. That’s what I call “happily flushing it down a toilet” sc.

      • Warrior

        Now your talkin! And how about sh%t canning those tax increases come Jan 1st as well?

        • Kinetic1

          The whole question revolves around the cost of extending the cuts for the top 2%.

          • 45caliber

            Really? Then why doesn’t the Dims simply put those aside and keep the rest? Because they want the money to spend??

          • TIME

            First off to renew the tax cuts “cost nothing.”
            As in “There are no cost factors.”
            If you have nothing it cost nothing to keep it.

            ” Your class envy is showing.”

          • 45caliber

            Time:

            I think you nailed it. I don’t care what some people make. I just worry about me. As long as there are people, someone will make more than I do. But it seems that the Dims simply cannot stand to have anyone else making more than they do themselves – unless of course, the person making it is also Dim.

          • JeffH

            45caliber, you have also nailed it. The Dems constantly scream about the rich but I’ll ask a simpilar question;
            Who has the richest politicians, Democrats or Republicans?

            Rank Politician (Party) Office or Campaign Net Worth
            1 Michael R. Bloomberg (RINO) Mayor, New York $4.8 billion
            2 Winthrop Rockefeller (RINO) Lt. Governor, Arkansas 1.2 billion
            3 B. Thomas Golisano (Ind) Gubernatorial candidate, New York 1.1 billion
            4 John Kerry (D) Senator, Massachusetts 550 million
            5 Tony Sanchez (D) Gubernatorial candidate, Texas 500 million
            6 Amo Houghton (RINO) Representative, New York 475 million
            7 Jon S. Corzine (D) Senator, New Jersey 300 million
            8 Herb Kohl (D) Senator, Wisconsin 250 million
            9 Jay Rockefeller (D) Senator, West Virginia 200 million
            10 Mark R. Warner (D) Governor, Virginia 200 million

          • 45caliber

            JeffH:

            I know. But as one lib explained it to me the other day, I was just jealous of how much money a liberal made all on his own. Only the GOP rich (including RINOs) inherited money. So it was okay if a Dim was rich but not a Rep. But somehow he never got around to explaining why a Dim shouldn’t pay tax but Rep. should.

          • Karolyn

            Time and 45 – It’s not class envy. It’s hating greed. It’s hating what people do to get that big bank account. It’s like Big Pharma’s executives, etc. Just how much money does somebody need? How much can you spend? I would not want to be that rich because they have to worry all the time about keeping and making money. They should all be like Warren Buffett, who’s having more taxes taken out of his pay and giving more money away. That’s a true American and a noble human being.

            Why shouldn’t the rich pay more in taxes? It’s just plain logical; and they’re not gonna even miss it.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Karolyn,
            That’s good, but guess what? He’s doing it by CHOICE!!! It isn’t being STOLEN from him!!! See the difference???

        • Kinetic1

          My understanding is that the administration is happy to go ahead will re-upping all but the highest cuts, but the Republicans won’t play along. As for it costing nothing, that only makes sense if you consider the lost tax revenue as “nothing”.

          Your list of wealthy Liberals is impressive. Now, consider the fact that these individuals are willing to allow their taxes to increase to help the country back on it’s feet and you’ll understand the difference between the Dems and Repubs.

          • Christin

            Kinetic1,

            Oh please! The Congress makes laws for the “common people” and they are above the law. Social Security and nobamacare DO NOT apply to Congress… and evidentally paying taxes… please wake up.

            If the (Congressional) Dimos wanted to “Keep the Bush Tax Cuts” they could have VOTED and done so before they left to go home and campaign… but it seems they want to let them expire and have “obama’s TAX HIKE” go into affect Jan 1, 2011 …this they have done. Dimos are in control of BOTH houses!!!!!!

            The Republicans don’t want to agree (or “play along”… your quote… they shouldn’t be PLAYING… this is our LIVES) to raising the taxes on ANYONE during this depression including the upper middle class… $250,000+… as they are the business owners who create jobs and hire, what is it, 70% of the workers in America.

            DO YOU WANT JOBS to put people back to work in America, then DON’T RAISE TAXES. I would think that would be clear by now to EVERYONE.

            And BTW, $250,000 IS NOT RICH… it is well to do. I am happy for them and their good salary.

            Millionares and billionares ARE RICH and WEALTHY… YES, that includes those Congressmen listed in Jeff H’s post and other politicians, hollywood types, pro-athletes, CEO’s of Corporations, Soros and Shadow Leaders… (some may be honest money some probably not).

            Let’s quit with the useless infighting/arguments: Rep & Dem (political), Rich & Poor (Class warfare), White & Black, Brown (pitting Racial groups), Bush & obama (NWO folks)…

            It’s all meant to waste our time WHILE the ” progressive machine” is put into place. This is about the SAVED who serve God/Christ (Conservative) and the Lost who serve satan (progressive).

            Kinetic1, are you “trying” to be a socially retarded liberal??????

            Which Master do YOU serve, my Friend… God or satan???
            Then you will know which side you should be on.

          • Christin

            PS
            Congress just needs to QUIT SPENDING… or be assigned to AA.

            NO NEW TAXES for Congress’ insatiable slush funds and pork. (period)

          • http://?? Joe H.

            kinetic1,
            you say the dems are willing to pay more tax to get this country back on its feet?? What about Al the bore Gore?? Bought a yacht and docked it in another state to try to avoid paying the taxes on his purchase!! The progressives can SAY anything they want, but till I see them in practice, all I can say is bull$hit!!!

          • Kinetic1

            Christin,
            Cynical and self righteous, what a combination! First off, Republican leaders consider a “small business” to be anything from a mom and pop store to a Billionaire who rents out his yacht as a “business”. So when you go on about all the small business owners who would be hurt, I’m not buying it. Yes, there are some small business owners who fall into this bracket, but Less than 2 percent of tax returns reporting small-business income are filed by taxpayers in the top two income brackets. Most of the top 2% make only a portion of their income from their small business and would see very little effect on their lives. It’s all a matter of spinning the numbers, and the Republicans are spinning hard for the wealthy.

            As for what $250,000 is or isn’t, in my neck of the woods $250,000 is no big deal. With the average home selling in the million dollar range (and that’s just 1,500 sq ft) that kind of money doesn’t go far. However, for those Americans who make less than the median wage, this is 5 times what their income. It may not seem like that much, but that’s only because the spread between the well to do and the poor is widening, and fast! The top 20% ($100,000+) have 49.5% of the nation’s wealth. That leaves 50.5% to spread among the other 80%. Think about that and tell me that $250,000 is not that much.

            As for your last claim, you might not get an argument from a mega church preacher or a literalist/fundamentalist, but you’d be hard pressed to convince most religious leaders that only conservatives are “SAVED”.

          • Christin

            Kinetic1,

            The way I see it…

            You are either for The Constitution of the United States of America, which acknowledges God (gives unalienable Rights “by our Creator”) and gives people Freedom, Liberty and the persuit of (property)Happiness. This is the only tried and proven form of gov that has worked to give the people the most freedom.

            OR

            You are for Godless types of big governement: Socialist, Communism, Marxism, Facism… Dictatorships… The Rulsers taking away individuals Rights and Freedoms and replacing them with killer Regulations and Laws which seek to limit your Rights… by depopulating the earth and de-develop our country which will REDUCE jobs and income, factory production, religion (the rulers & earth are to be worshiped as the gods), healthcare, food supplies, and quality of life… This route is devastating and has been proven it doesn’t work.

            Thus I say the fight is between those that seek God and those that deny God.

          • Karolyn

            Christin – Property does not constitute happiness.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            ken1,
            Nice dodge there!!!!

      • Conservatives United

        As a business owner, targeted tax cuts and other temporary such things do nothing to change the real problem. They are still controled by the government. We need the government to do things to create an enviroment for business to function, and then get out of the way and let the private sector do its job. This Regime and their thugs, want to control everything, and none of them and including most of congress have never run a business, and don’t have a clue how it really works.

      • spike

        Kinetic: now you’re kicking me right where I live. I own and run a small business. I do business with other small businesses. GET THIS AND GET THIS NOW: THIS FU***NG ADMINISTRATION WANTS TO KILL small businesses, and it’s owners. This freaking government wants everyone on the dole, sucking on it’s big inflated, lying teat.

    • 45caliber

      s c:

      I agree with you. Yet even here there is one who apparently believes exactly what the Dims are telling him rather than the truth he is hearing.

      • dan az

        45
        The scary thought is how many more are there just like him?

  • FlaJim

    Let’s hope the GOP doesn’t blow it this time by falling into easy accommodation with the enemy and succumbing to the poisonous corruption in DC. Fortunately, it appears that a majority of the new faces in Congress will be principled conservative ones.

    The Contract With America was a neat marketing tool but was largely discarded within a short period of time. Few of the conservatives running for office are touting the Pledge to America; individual candidates have already made their own pledges to their putative constituents.

    • Karolyn

      Let’s just see how “principled” they remain. That’s a joke!

  • Bob Wire

    “The downside of GB’s legacy was in acting like a half-assed progressive. ”

    You seem to enjoy seeing and labeling in odd fashion at your pleasure.

    It’ s true 43 was a quadruped.

    If history holds true, the GOP can expect midterm gains but I seriously question a route. So can the end zone dance and save it for later.

    Newt is damaged goods, ~ Key note speaker material for the faithful, No better the Palin, but more knowledgeable with a finer edge.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Barb Wire,
      you doubt a route but Soreass seems to disagree with you!! He himself said he will not support the progressives as he can’t stand in the way of a GOP avalanche!!!

      • dan az

        Joe H
        that bothers me if soros is backing off then he already has his plants ready to take over the other side of the isle.Thats going to make it allot harder to find them.Im just going to vote libertarian and hope he didnt buy them to.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          dan az,
          I don’t think so. the most important thing to him is money! He buys and sells nations. He’s not gonna waste his dole in the face of the peoples ire and protest vote!!!

  • THIRD PARTY

    Since we are in the two party paradigm,this country will continue to fail,both party’s have been shills since 1913.If the repubs do not turn to CUT SPENDING,LOWER TAXES,such as capital gains,property,death tax,money that’s been taxed already,inheritances tax,mostly again already taxed.They will deserve a hanging.AUDIT the federal reserve,privet entities are all subject to audit.HR 1207.

  • home boy

    bottom line here is man doesn’t now , never has , and will never have the solution. man is his own worst enemy. by the way , if you really think man is in control of this world, guess again .

    • 45caliber

      home boy:

      But that is the whole business of the progressives! Man controls the world and everything in it. If man doesn’t then the progressives are in pain! That’s where they get global warming, rewritting the Bible, and many other things. They can’t give those up! It would mean that man … and they … aren’t the final authority!

      • home boy

        45caliber, you mention the bible but you must have not read it . if you did you wouldknow that satan controls the world and he has since adam and eve. and until people start to read the bible(not the new ones being printed today they leavegod’s name out of those ones, yehweh) and understand that satan is in control they will be fighting the wind. governments are all puppets of satan. a great tribulation is coming around the corner and satan knows his time is shot and he wants to take as many people with him. the governments are going to shut down and destroy all religion soon ,rev 17 &18(babalyon the great) and when that happens the governments will be destroyed. stay awake 45.

        • 45caliber

          Oh, I read it – and I agree with you. I need a sarcasm font.

          • spike

            I dare you to get sarcastic with GOD.

          • Karolyn

            Why can’t we be sarcastic with God? Do you think the All-Powerful cares about a little sarcasm?

        • Karolyn

          I think you’re gonna be really upset when this doesn’t happen.

  • OtherTim

    The new congress cannot be lured into “reaching across the aisle” McCain style for every legislation, or they will find themselves sinking once again. The other side of the aisle is so far out, it doesn’t seem to be in the same building anymore.
    We’re not dealing with the JFK democratic party nowdays. That party is long gone, and should be avoided. JFK would likely be a tea partier.

    • Mick

      OtherTim says:
      October 12, 2010 at 10:39 am
      The new congress cannot be lured into “reaching across the aisle” McCain style for every legislation, or they will find themselves sinking once again. The other side of the aisle is so far out, it doesn’t seem to be in the same building anymore.
      We’re not dealing with the JFK democratic party nowdays. That party is long gone, and should be avoided. JFK would likely be a tea partier.
      (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((

      OtherTim,,,,You’re right on….
      Concessions have broguht the country to it’s knees, it’s way pass time for the republicans to stick firm to their conservative views and not just say NO but HELL NO………

    • 45caliber

      You can blame Kennedy’s heir for the start of the changes we are now seeing.

      • Conservatives United

        Do you mean LBJ (Lame Brain Johnson). Also Little Brother Teddy, must not have been listening when is big brother was speaking.

  • http://Windows Rog

    Is it impossible for America to once unite and rid themselves of this
    hideous debacle in Washington? We have enough of “CHANGE” as our country
    falls into the jaws of total disaster. At best, if we do survive this past Obama outrage will the new regime make strides for recovery their first ‘order of business’?

    • Conservatives United

      Do your research, as I have been doing extensively, you will find many of these new CITIZEN LEGISLATORS that will be in office are not like the establishment, both parties. Several things stand out about these candidates: 1. A great number of these are business owners or people with vast experience in business, so they understand how private sector business operate. 2. Most of them have never, been an elected official at any level, so they are not bringing baggage with them.

      This is one of the major differences between 1994 and this year. In 1994, all we did was replace one establishment party with the other one. This year we are replacing establishment with new fresh candidates with ideas from the private sector, in middle America, not just moving more lower level political scumbags to DC.

  • BigBadJohn

    I am all for a third party, However, I see the Tea Party as re-branded “Republican Revolution”. If I am correct – you will see no sweeping changes and the country and economy will continue its slide.

    As Kenetic said, the economy was going down hill fast when Obama took office. A Bunch of bailouts were initiated and became the focus of peoples anger. The bailouts are constantly being labeled as “socialist” But guess what – they worked! We would have slid into a worse depression than the 20′s if they had not been implemented. The interesting thing is no politician will take credit for them because they were so unpopular- even though they worked!

    • J.M.R.

      what country are you living in as its not america, bailouts were the biggest joke that there has ever been

      • spike

        Yeah, and I believe they started with HOOVER. wasn’t he a democrat?

        • libertytrain

          Spike – he was a republican – They can’t all be perfect :)

    • http://aol wayne a

      BIGBADJOHN,kinetic left out alot of the facts.the economy started its downspiral in the last 2yrs of clintons term.clinton had signed NAFTA which allowed thousands and thousands of jobs to move out of the US.clinton finished with a surplus,a surplus under 6yrs of a rep controlled congress.on jan.3,2007 when the dem took over congress the dow had just closed at 12,621.77,the gdp was 3.5% for the previous quarter and the unemployment was 4.77%.after 2 yrs of a dem controlled congress unemployment was 6.5%.now after 4yrs of a dem congress its almost 10%.check the facts,don’t believe everything he tells you.

      • BigBadJohn

        Wayne – slow down your run-on sentence has left me confused.
        First off there was no slow down the last two years of Clinton presidency, the stock market did not correct until 2000 after he had left office. Was it either Clinton’s or Bush fault? No – it was “irrational exuberance”. I worked with a guy that remortgaged his house so that he could invest it in the stock market, when you have that going on, the bubble is about to burst. Of course when he lost his shorts, he blamed Clinton, instead of himself.

        That is exactly the same thing that happened in the banking/real estate bubble. Interest was artificially low because it was the only way Bush could keep the economy going. People started doing the same thing, refinancing their houses to take out equity, add big additions or selling and buying bigger houses with nothing down. The same exact “irrational exuberance”, the bubble was bound to burst. What made this bubble worse was that banks had been de-regulated and they started doing the same thing, playing fast and loose with others money, hoping to make the big score.

        Sorry to disagree with you but the real estate bubble was bound to burst regardless of who was in office. A slim democrat majority in one house, had little to nothing to do with it.

        One direct question, One of the biggest problems was zero-down loans, had you ever even heard of a zero down loan before George Bush?

        • alpha-lemming

          Thank you “Community Re-investment Act ’97″. I don’t know how the (expletive deleted) did it, but that had to be 43s fault too.

          • BigBadJohn

            according to the experts that have evaluated the real estate bubble, the bad loans due to the “Community Re-investment Act ’97″ only account for about 5% of the total loss. Too small of a percentage to take the blame for the failures.

      • Kinetic1

        So we’re going to play this game again, eh? Ok, let’s take a trip back to the Reagan era. The Democrats controlled the house for all 8 years and are generally blamed by conservatives for Reagan’s astronomical deficit. Odd thing is, over the 8 years of Reagan’s leadership the house allocated aprox. 16 million dollars LESS than the White House had requested. Now I’m sure there is some defense in just how those expenses are parsed out, but it does put a crimp in those old claims.

        The Dems continued to control the House (and the Senate) during the 4 years of Bush the 1st, and again they allocated about 14 million less than the White House requested. Hmmm.

        The Clinton years are famous for reducing the deficit left by Reagan and Bush, an act the right generally credits to the Republican lead House, and there’s no doubt that they were tight. During Clinton’s 8 years the congress allocated almost 160 million dollars less than the White House requested! That averages about a 40 million dollar cut per congress, about the same amount his first, Democratic House cut.

        Finally we come to Bush the 2nd. My charts only show numbers for his first 2 years (the 107th congress) and like most others, they shorted he White House in their first session, but in a move not seen since Reagan, they allocated and extra 6.5 million in the second session. Seems like both parties know something about cuts, but what about the economy?

        Well, since we’re comparing Clinton and Bush, let’s look at the average quarterly GDP under each President. Both had 6 years of a Republican held House and Senate, so it’s a good comparison. Under Clinton, the average quarterly GDP was aprox. 4.35 while under Bush it was 3.7. Why was that? The GDP was about the same when the Dems handed Congress over in ’95 as it was when Bush came in, but the percentage of time spent above the 3% mark was about 2/3rds higher under Clinton.

        Maybe it was the Gulf Wars. Maybe it was the deficit. After all, Clinton had the deficit down to $200 Billion when the 104th congress came in, and a projected surplus of $300 billion when Bush stepped in, but Bush only held a surplus in his first year (about $175 Billion). After that it was down, down, down to more than a $400 billion deficit by 2006.

        Another possibility could be unemployment and job growth. Under Clinton the unemployment rate dropped from around 7% to 4% by the time Bush stepped in. During that same amount of time job creation grew steadily, logging in 30 million jobs created in 2001. Bush followed this up by running unemployment back up over 6% by 2004 and loosing tens of millions of jobs over the same period. Yes, he managed to get unemployment back under 5% and job creation up to 5 million by ’07, but by then we had had 6 straight years of deficits and a record national debt that had already risen 54% to $8.8 Trillion!

        So there we are. Clinton and his Republican Congress left Bush and his Republican Congress with unemployment around 4%, Job creation way up, a stock market well over $10,000 and a projected budget surplus. The only down side was 2 bad quarters divided by 2 good quarters of GDP. Thats not a great situation, but nothing that can’t be turned around. And before you jump in with 9/11, let’s remember that the Clinton administration warned the incoming Bush administration about Bin Laden. Had they chosen to listen, we might never have had to deal with a “Ground Zero”.

        • Vigilant

          “And before you jump in with 9/11, let’s remember that the Clinton administration warned the incoming Bush administration about Bin Laden. Had they chosen to listen, we might never have had to deal with a “Ground Zero”.

          If Clinton had done his job properly, he would not have had to warn Bush. Bin Laden would have been in US custody. You will deny, I’m sure, the well known fact that Clinton had Bin Laden in rifle sites and refused to allow the operation to proceed for fear of a few civilian casualties. You will deny as well that Sudan (or Yemen) offered us Bin Laden on a silver platter and Clinton turned them down flat.

          While I’m here, you libs tend to forget (conveniently) the following two things about Reagan: (1) He resisted the screams and tantrums of the left, and pulled off the demise of the Soviet Union with Thacher and Gorbachev, and (2) his economic policies ushered in the longest sustained period of prosperity in the history of the United States. Not small achievements, I’d say.

          • JeffH

            Vigilant, once more you have posted the correct information about Clinton’s ineffectiveness to pull the trigger on bin Laden and the wonderful Reagan years which poured some much needed prosperity and patriotic pride back into the American people.

          • Kinetic1

            I always enjoy the fable about Reagan’s “Period of Prosperity”. In these days of record deficits, it’s odd how few Conservatives recall that the deficit under Reagan was “nothing to worry about.” As we borrowed our way out of the Carter recession, I recall hearing talking heads like Rush telling us all that the climbing deficit was just a part of the recovery and that it was just on paper. Those ideas don’t seem to work any more. It’s just not prosperity when you think of how long it’s going to take to pay it all back.

            There’s no doubt that Reagan did his part to end the Soviet Union, but at what cost to U.S. tax payers? Just like G.W. Bush and his war in Iraq, Reagan ran up a huge debt to build up our military as a threat to Russia. Even while championing the view that the USSR had grown into a nuclear power equal or superior to the USA, a power that required an immediate build up of our own military, he admitted that they were weak and would fail eventually with or without our help. He just liked the idea of speeding things along.

            Reagan was not alone in his belief that the USSR was not sustainable. Mises in the ’20s, Orwel in the ’40s, even Trotsky knew their days were numbered. So was Reagan’s build up necessary? Did we do ourselves a favor? Certainly there are many in the former Soviet Union who look to the US, and particularly Reagan as the source of their new freedom, but was it worth the cost to us? We, the American people foot the bill to advance the fall of the USSR. Now, decades later we are still paying back that debt, as well as the cost of 2 more wars that we are still fighting. Are any of these efforts worth the cost to our future?

      • Kinetic1

        Sorry Wayne, I forgot to address the 2007 drop. You may be interested in “The new road to serfdom:
        An illustrated guide to the coming real estate collapse” printed in Harper’s, May 2006. Here, the author explains what we are now dealing with and how the policies that turned our homes into piggy banks was doomed to cause us pain. Does this mean I hold the Dems blameless? No of course not, but it does indicate that the Republicans are lucky they lost in 2006 or they would have had this pile in their laps.

    • J.McConnell

      A third party candidate,H.Ross Perot, warned us about nafta and was made fun of by
      the Rush Limbaugh crowd yet Perots predictions came true.We were sold out by both
      Republicans & Democrats as they both endorsed nafta(Not A F’ing Thing American).
      The Republicans don’t care about illegals crossing our borders because it is cheap
      labor for agribusiness and others. The Democrats don’t care because they are so
      “compassionate” to the plight of others.
      I will give the Democrats this: In a recent senate vote to stop giving tax credits to
      companies that outsource American jobs overseas not one Republican senator supported
      it. Apparently it’s O.K. to screw the American worker as long as big business benefits.

      • BigBadJohn

        yup I voted for Perot, the best third party candidate that has ever run.
        Too bad he didn’t win.

        But that “Giant sucking sound” you heard actually started when Reagan opened up trade with China. Conservatives have always been for free trade. The reason Clinton passed NAFTA was to appease the republican controlled congress and senate – remember presidents can not write legislation. But along comes GWB and he passes CAFTA as if NAFTA not doing enough damage to American workers already!

    • 45caliber

      Riiiiiggghht. Say BBJ, I have this bridge for sale ….

    • Pete from Australia

      Wrong! Wrong! Wrong! No the bailouts did NOT “work”. They just seem to. They prop up inefficient industries that SHOULD be allowed to fail, they INCREASE government debt (it’s got to be paid back remember), (YOU eventually pay it back), the money is often wasted, and the capital could have been employed by small/medium sized businesses that needed it!
      No jobs were “saved”; there was a similar program here, it worked out to $500,000 per job, and now there is a slump in the industry “most favored”.
      It’s usually more about saving votes, and bribing the electorate.
      It’s basically like the failed Communist system, where big government thinks it knows best where to allocate the resources. It didn’t work then and it doesn’t work now.
      There’s a good argument that all the New Deal changes prolonged the depression; every now and then the system needs to change and redeploy its resources. Government intervention prolongs the agony.
      Our Labor Party (like Democrats) is in power now, similar policies to your Dems. The Liberal Party is not truly conservative, half RINOs. So we’re weak on border protection, (anyone with a rag on his head and a leaky boat gets unbelievable preferential treatment, even if they want to blow us up!), I’ve paid taxes all my life and can get nothing!
      Also more and more people want government assistance for every aspect of their lives.
      It’s an insidious development. The democracies need a clear-cut choice, with the conservatives standing for traditional policies:
      1. Small government;
      2. Less welfare; (stop encouraging single mothers! and getting people to be more self-reliant);
      3. Lower taxes; and
      4. Simply upholding the law and allowing business to flourish, not favoring monopolies like the big banks.
      This is not an exhaustive list, maybe someone can add to this. God bless us all.

    • Conservatives United

      Also the depression of the late 20′s and the 30′s, would have been over much sooner, than it was. FDR’s programs did not work, and were shown as failures. By mid to late 1930′s the economy was sinking back in to deep recession. They only thing that saved FDR, was WWII.

  • George Odell

    “Those who cannot remember…are condemned…”
    Perhaps it would be wise to remember the demise of France, Germany, England, Russia and the Roman Empire (along with countless others) caused by unfunded foreign military adventures. When I find so called ‘small government’ proponents with the courage to cut the military and the police, as well as the social entitlements, then I will believe their sincerity.
    Meanwhile, look at the facts: Obama has consistently resisted calls for huge increases out of line with our crisis. Evidence is that Keynsian economics works and big infrastructure projects would be effective in getting past the cowardly bankers, holding for dear life to their cash. Obama already is at the center.
    As for me, I love our country AND I admire OUR President.

    • http://aol wayne a

      GEORGE,thank God you’re one of the very few that admires our so called president!

    • Mick

      George Odell says:
      October 12, 2010 at 11:05 am
      “Those who cannot remember…are condemned…”
      Perhaps it would be wise to remember the demise of France, Germany, England, Russia and the Roman Empire (along with countless others) caused by unfunded foreign military adventures. When I find so called ‘small government’ proponents with the courage to cut the military and the police, as well as the social entitlements, then I will believe their sincerity.
      Meanwhile, look at the facts: Obama has consistently resisted calls for huge increases out of line with our crisis. Evidence is that Keynsian economics works and big infrastructure projects would be effective in getting past the cowardly bankers, holding for dear life to their cash. Obama already is at the center.
      As for me, I love our country AND I admire OUR President.
      ***********************
      George Odell,,,if you really mean what you say about loving this country I would suggest you rethink the stand you’re taking when it concerns this so called president,,,You’re obviously easily fooled, the better the speaker the better they can pull the wool over your eyes.

      • 45caliber

        Oblama RESISTS calls for more spending? What planet do you live on?

        • 45caliber

          Sorry, Mick. I meant that note for George Odell.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            45cal.,
            I agree 100%+!!!!! Noblama has never seen a spending bill he didn’t like, unless it didn’t spend enough!!!

    • s c

      What’s your point, genius? You obviously can’t remember a damned thing – other than the pre-programmed bilge you’re paid to barf on this website. NEVER say evidence and Keynesian in the same breath.
      Are you a disciple of chamberlain, quisling and saul, the two-legged, radical skunk? While I can’t
      always tell if a progressive is taking too many drugs or not enough, in your case it’s plain to see. You take WAY too many drugs. Next, you’ll tell us Obummer is a Christ-like figure who should be prez for life. Stuff it, comrade.

      • dan az

        sc
        WOW!!!!

    • Vigilant

      “When I find so called ‘small government’ proponents with the courage to cut the military and the police, as well as the social entitlements, then I will believe their sincerity.”

      Take a lesson on the Constitution. The feds HAVE NO BUSINESS involving themselves in any welfare schemes. The Constitution tells them to protect our country, manage interstate commerce, and little else.

    • Tinwarble

      George Odell,

      WHAAAAAAT! Apparently you know absolutely nothing about history. Your use of the Roman Empire alone ignores so many facts that it borders on the insane. Facts like the downfall of Rome was partially because it all but nearly dissolved it’s army and split into 2 separate empires. Germany & the USSR fell manly due to America, England is still considered the British Empire, I believe, but any falling that it has done has manly been due to internal strife & implementation of social polices. As for France, well what can you really say about a country who’s national bird is a chicken. I don’t know who you learned your history from, but you should really see about getting your money back.

      And you admire Obama, for what exactly? Spending more money & adding more to the debt than anyone in the history of America. Perhaps you admire him for the way he is able to read a teleprompter. You are right about one thing, Obama is at the center; the center of failing progressive policies that is bringing America to ruin. If you think that Obama’s policies are such a good idea, then you should try it at home. Go spend all your money, then borrow some more money and spend all that, then take money that you don’t have (write a few bad checks) & do some repairs on your house (or more like your moms basement). If you get released for good behavior some time this decade, let us all know how that worked out for you.

      • Kinetic1

        A nation’s economy is nothing like your home finances. There is no doubt that you would end up in jail if you tried to fix your personal financial problems as if it were the economy, but that just serves to highlight the differences. Look at it this way; there are three people, a citizen, a business and a government. The citizen stops buying goods, so the business cuts back. As the business cuts back, tax revenues decline. The citizen becomes more concerned and tightens his belt even more, causing the business to lay off employees. The economy is dropping fast, the citizen may loose his job due to downsizing and the business may have to close up because no one is buying. If the government decides to cut back even more at this time when citizens are in need of help, then no money is flowing and it all dries up. If government chooses this time to rebuild it’s failing infrastructure, then it creates new opportunity for business, drives demand for new workers and gets the flow going again. As the worker’s lot improves, they feel good about spending again, business increases, tax revenue goes up and the debt can then be paid down.

        You can’t fix your personal finances this way. Maybe, just maybe borrowing money for a car so that you can get to a job will work, but that’s about it in non business personal finance. The one thing we can do is remember to hire others when we can. Even though you can often do the work yourself, if you have the money to hire someone else to do the work you help to keep the flow going.

        • Tinwarble

          Oh yes Kinetic, I guess you believe your kiddie pool economics. You just forgot a few things.

          Things like, a business decides comes up with a product, then decides to make that product. Then the business hires people (citizens) to make their product. The government decides it needs revenue to do some crazy scheme, so the government raises taxes on the business. The business, because now it costs more to make product than what they sell it for makes a business decision & raises the price of the product. Now, because the price is higher, other citizens that buy that product stops buying the product. Therefore, since the business is no longer selling as much of that product, they lay off the people they hired to build that product, pack up their business & move it overseas, to where they can build that product at a cheaper price and actually make profit. Not only now has that business moved out of America, but also, the American products that they were buying to make their product are now being bought overseas, thereby making more business lay off their workers.

          Now, because the government can no longer collect the revenues the way they could when the business were here, they decide to raise taxes even more. This causes even more businesses to raise their prices & lay off more workers. Which in turn causes less revenue to be raised. Then the government decides, that because they’ve caused people to lose their jobs, that they will fix this by investing in infrastructure. To do this though, the government has to borrow money from the same countries that they drove the businesses to. So the government borrows the money, then runs it through a bureaucracy, so that it costs 300 times what it would cost to hire one worker in the private sector. Now, because that one worker doesn’t actually pay taxes (that’s because they get most of the money they pay in taxes back) and nothing has been done to make it so that businesses can grow, the government has not increased it’s revenue and therefore it is not able to pay down the debt. So the government borrows more money, repeats its so called “economic recovery”, only to increase the debt even more. All the while, for every 1 government job that has been created 100 private sector jobs have been lost (although that numbers is conservative to say the least).

        • Tinwarble

          And Kinetic,

          It is true that personal finance can’t be compared to government finance, but that’s only because if you or I decided to print our own money that isn’t back by anything, we would be thrown in jail. But it is still the same in that you, or the government, can’t spend more than you take in. Just because the government does it, does not mean that it isn’t a scam. You can justify it anyway you want it, but in the end, it always ends up the same way, in bankruptcy.

  • Raggs

    Ya know what I think…

    I think the dems will let the Bush tax breaks expire because they will get their butt kicked in November… This will be a “punishment” to the voters…. Also I think the Cap-n-Tax bill will get shoved through the “lame duck” session… I don’t see the immigration “reform” getting anywhere, I think the dems are still 100% for amnesty… obama is going to be in a very bad mood come november, this is already showing in his attempt to call republicans out on a so called foreign scandle… In my opinion obama never grew out of diapers…

    • http://none Mike

      Ok Raggs I somwhat apologise for calling you out in a past forum. You are right on the money with that comment. I think his life of privlage is going to show up bad if he does loose his majorities in November. But I have allready seen signs hes going to toss certin democrats under the buss i.e Pelosi. Its been sneeking into the media for about a week or so now. Mike

  • Stan Lee

    The difference between Bill Clinton and Barak Obama is that Clinton is a pragmatist-type Democrat, Obama is an ultra-ideologue who I believe couldn’t care less about the Democrat Party, nor the UNited States. The Democrat Party was the Party that felt he could be a winner for them,it didn’t care about the American people,power was its only goal, and it is far-removed from the Party of Harry Truman and John F. Kennedy. Obama’s emergence allowed the extreme leftists to take over that Party, it is not the Party of my blue-collar father.

    I believe Obama has brought about a situation for the Democrats that will be more difficult to remedy than the present reconfiguring of the Republican Party. At least that Party has almost rid itself of its RINOS. The Democrats will have to live with the socialist/Communists, Black Panthers, an NAACP that is a racist body in my opinion,corrupt unions, and the spectre of Saul Alinsky haunting them all. It is really an organization of splinter groups which can hardly live with each other,a barely tolerable codependency, let alone exist with the new Republicans and Independents opposing them for what they are.

    • Warrior

      They are a rabble of malcontents and no more! All the while each trying get his handout from the producers.

    • 45caliber

      I think the real problem here is the OLD Republicans against the NEW Republicans. The majority of the OLD Republicans are in favor of special breaks and money to help big banking and business with government help. The NEW Republicans are for a reduction of government and a reduction in taxes, giving more freedom to the people. Reagon was a New Republican and the old ones hated him.

      Until the Old Republicans die off (or at least lose their power) the GOP with continue to have major problems.

      On the other hand, the New Democrats (the socialists) are now taking over power there which will tend to drive more people to the GOP.

      • Warrior

        The Radicals Progressives have entirely taken over the democratic party. Remember, their connections to communist and socialist groups is now fully out in the open. Any sane semi-conservative democrat (if one exists) has to get out now and become independent. Mainstream Americans will vote these creatures out of office starting Nov 2 and continue on through 2012 until they are banished. Out with Reid, Pelosi, Durbin, Franks, and all their slimy friends.

        Let’s take this country back!

      • BigBadJohn

        “The NEW Republicans are for a reduction of government and a reduction in taxes, giving more freedom to the people. Reagon was a New Republican and the old ones hated him.”

        LOL – go Newt – remember the promise of balanced budget amendment and term limitations?

        Fool me once shame on you
        fool me twice shame on me…….

        • 45caliber

          You should have a really red face by now. It is certain that the Dims are fooling you over and over.

          • BigBadJohn

            No they are not, I do not support and have never considered myself a democrat.
            But that does not mean that my memory is so short that I would put the same people that have caused the most of the national debt, and two big deregulation bug-aboo’s (S&L and Banking crisis) the benefit of the doubt and vote them back into power.

          • 45caliber

            BBJ:

            You need to do a little more studying before you make statements like that. It was the Dims who set up the tax laws that caused the S&L collapse when they changed the laws. And it was the Dims who required the banks to give bad mortgage loans that caused the bank problems.

          • BigBadJohn

            45 you really need to lay off that Fox news kool-aid and do some research for yourself.

            The biggest single cause of BOTH failures was deregulation.

            “The community reinvestment act”, simply eliminated redlining and only accounted for 5% of the bad loans in the banking failure.

            The biggest factor was the repeal of Glass-Seagal in 1999. Compounded by Bush pushing for risky loans to make his “ownership Society” work. Don’t you remember Bush bragging about the highest percentage of home ownership in history?

            DID EVER EVEN HEAR ABOUT ZERO DOWN LOANS BEFORE BUSH?

            You really need to lay off that kool aid.

            http://www.businessweek.com/investing/insights/blog/archives/2008/09/community_reinvestment_act_had_nothing_to_do_with_subprime_crisis.html

    • Karolyn

      I don’t understand where people get the idea that the President doesn’t care about the USA or Americans. I just don’t get it!

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Karolyn,
        Perhaps by his actions?!?!?!?!?

  • john

    If the media hates you,then you must be doing something right.Any politician that the media goes out of the way to denounce has to be worht voting for.I’m in NY and it’s digusting how much they’ll attack Frank Palladino in order to get daddy Cuomos lil boy in as governor.Unfortunately NY’ers are too damn liberla and blind and always seem to vote as blind fool liberla Dems.Nepotism is still alive and well in politics.My bigger fear is that the Dems may not suffer that much come Nov.because people will be torn between voting Repub or Tea Party.I myself like some TPs and in others Reps so I’m one of those in a quandry.I’ll even vote for a dog if it ran against a Democrat these days..that party might as well come out of the closet as socialist leftist and just change their name.

    • Kinetic1

      Frank Palladino could be a Green Party candidate, or Peace and Freedom, or whatever you choose, he would still be a favorite target. As long as he continues to open his mouth and expose himself as a hypocrite and an extremist he will be all over the news.

  • Buzz Breslin

    Well said. Stick to limited government, but beware of any “sob stories” the left will pull out for 2012 election. Bush’s “COMPASSIONATE CONSERVATISM” was bogus. We can help our fellow Americans without government social engineering. There are far too many “GREAT SOCIETY” leftovers in the bureaucracy. That is where the fat needs to be trimmed. The laws of the Johnson era to start. Imagine the treasure being wasted on that nonsense. VOTE CONSERVATIVE.

    • 45caliber

      VOTE CONSERVATIVE.

      I agree. And that is not necessarily “Vote GOP”. Make sure who you vote for … or against.

  • Steve Marcus

    The conservatives are being set up once again by the religious fundamentalists, and once again will lose in the ballot box. When women and gays get behind that voting curtain, I maintain that they vote to protect the freedoms. They tend to be single-issue in that regard, and I don’t blame them. Conservatives unite and kick out the bigot extemists who want religious beliefs to be the law of the land.

  • Steve Marcus

    Steve Marcus says:
    October 12, 2010 at 11:42 am
    The conservatives are being set up once again by the religious fundamentalists, and once again will lose in the ballot box. When women and gays get behind that voting curtain, I maintain that they vote to protect the freedoms. They tend to be single-issue in that regard, and I don’t blame them. Conservatives unite and kick out the bigot extemists who want religious beliefs to be the law of the land.

    Reply

    • 45caliber

      Gays, yes. Women? I can’t see why they should vote Democrat at all. The Democrats does nothing for them as a group except endorse the Femenist Movement – which does nothing for women as a whole.

    • barbmiller

      i’m a woman and a republican as are all my female friends. i only know one person (a man) who voted for obama. i still can’t figure out how he won!!?

      • Warrior

        The same dead people that get their monthly SS and Welfare checks.

        • barbmiller

          i paid into the ss system since age 16. had i taken all that money and put it in a savings acct or cd, i’d have plenty to live on for my golden years. have to remember those high interest rates that were being paid on money markets back in the 80s. but now, you think ss is welfare? not only did i pay in lots (many years i maxed out before the year was up), but i pay for medicare (it’s not free) and the annual deductible, and some on prescription charges, so it’s not like welfare and medicaid which is free even if you NEVER paid into the system which most did NOT. i only see the doctor a couple of times a year, but i keep it and pay just in case of a catostrophic illness or surgery. it’s not like i get a fortune either, it’s barely enough to make it month to month but too much for me to be elligible for foodstamps.

          • http://none Mike

            Barb its people like you who suffer when dems and republcans alike rob the social security trust funds to buy votes. The inflation rate is going to get bad when Obama care is implimented too. If we manage to get people in control of congress and the senete that will curtail alot of wasted spending.Some of the crunch thats comming might be averted. Mike

      • BigBadJohn

        “who voted for obama. i still can’t figure out how he won!!?”

        anyone who was actually paying attention to what Bush and the republicans had done to our great country…..

        • 45caliber

          Supposedly true. The question is … who voted for him? Not I! Or any of my friends! While I admit that is a small selection of the US, many others are saying the same thing. So … where are the ones who will admit to voting for him ???

          • Angel Wannabe

            At’s what I wanna know 45, DO OUR VOTES STILL COUNT?

          • 45caliber

            I’m afraid many of our votes don’t count. It’s like Oblama wanted to do; give some people more than one vote. In fact it wasn’t that long ago I heard about some judge who ruled that the minority group in some town were to have five votes instead of just one like the rest of us do.

            Further, I don’t really trust the electronic voting machines. It is simple to reprogram them once a program is written – and it wouldn’t take but a single line of code to count every third vote – or every other vote – for one candidate to count for the other one. And there would be no way to determine what votes were changed. A couple more minutes after the voting was over would program them back – without any evidence at all.

          • Angel Wannabe

            45, I guess we’ll find out in November!_But quite frankly, I don’t trust ALL the high poll numbers either. With all dissent surrounding Obama, I got a real problem believing his poll numbers are that high?!__Thet’re is just waaaay too much manipulation of numbers in every facet of Washington, and were left to read between the lines!

          • Kinetic1

            45,
            The judge ruled that every citizen would have 5 votes. Seems the powers that be determined that the minorities were not properly represented by the makeup of the town council. To correct this and alleviate concerns over voting for someone new to the system (sound familiar?) every voter would have 5 votes to spread among the candidates as they saw fit. Seems to me an instant runoff would have been a better solution. It also would have prevented the ongoing rumor about giving minorities an unfair advantage.

          • Karolyn

            Well, I’ve already admitted it on another topic. And I’m glad of it. McCain was a good candidate when he ran for the nomination against Bush, but I could not vote for him this last time, especially when he nabbed Palin. He has lost his oomph. I feel that we need a younger person to run the country.

      • http://n/a tom

        he won by 25.000.000.000 votes….??? that,s how

        • 45caliber

          Wow!! 25 billion votes huh? In a country with 300 million people. It certainly sounds like the Dims, all right!!

        • http://naver samurai

          How amny of them were falsified or paid for by ACORN?

      • Kinetic1

        I could make the reverse statement. From where I sit, based on the people I know I can’t imagine how McCain/Palin even came close.

  • Angel Wannabe

    Everyone bitches about Rush Limbaughs statement about wanting Obama to fail, but if we’re smart, we’d think along those lines._I STILL can hear the Liberal Panty Waists cry “OH, HOW COULD ANYONE SAY, THEY WANT OUR PREZ TO FAIL?!”__FOR SHAME & GOLLY GEE WILL-I-KERS, YOU HORRIBLE NAY-SAYERS!___ If Obama succeeds in what he wants to do, like sc said above, WE WILL BE HISTORY!__Lies nothing but Lies Washington, voters have to chose which Lie we can deal with first!___STILL_VOTE NOVEMBER!

    • Kate8

      Angel Wannabe – I guess we could turn that around, and say we America to succeed! That would be the same as saying we want Obama to fail.

      Of course we want someone who is out to destroy our freedom to fail. That’s patriotic. We can’t have Obama AND liberty.

      Simple as that.

      • Christin

        Well said, kate8.

      • Karolyn

        That’s bull! I’ve said it before; and I’ll say it again: You can’t put all the weight on one man.

  • 45caliber

    The BIG thing that any winning GOP should remember is that they cannot slip further to the left in their spending. I think one of the really bad things about the GOP in the past has been their move to immediately try to pass all the pork they wanted but were denied by the Democrat control of Congress. It isn’t that the GOP pork is any worse than the Democrat pork; it is that the voters don’t want ANY pork.

    If the GOP hopes to pull the voters and to remain in power their only hope is to cut expenses instead of adding more. They must eliminate all the failed programs that presently saddle government. When they do, they will find that they can also cut the taxes since they won’t need so much money. It would also cement their place in power and in history.

    • barbmiller

      wish i could give you a thumbs up!!

    • BigBadJohn

      Here are the numbers for 2010, Discretionary spending: $1.368 trillion which INCLUDES military operations. Current deficit about 1.8 trillion if ALL discretionary spending is eliminated, where do we make up the other 400 billion?

      US receipt and expenditure estimates for fiscal year 2010.
      * Mandatory spending: $2.184 trillion (+15.6%)
      o $677.95 billion (+4.9%) – Social Security
      o $571 billion (−15.2%) – Other mandatory programs
      o $453 billion (+6.6%) – Medicare
      o $290 billion (+12.0%) – Medicaid
      o $164 billion (+18.0%) – Interest on National Debt
      o $11 billion (+275%) – Potential disaster costs
      o $0 billion (−100%) – Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP)
      o $0 billion (−100%) – Financial stabilization efforts

      * Discretionary spending: $1.368 trillion (+13.1%)
      o $663.7 billion (+12.7%) – Department of Defense (including Overseas Contingency Operations)
      o $78.7 billion (−1.7%) – Department of Health and Human Services
      o $72.5 billion (+2.8%) – Department of Transportation
      o $52.5 billion (+10.3%) – Department of Veterans Affairs
      o $51.7 billion (+40.9%) – Department of State and Other International Programs
      o $47.5 billion (+18.5%) – Department of Housing and Urban Development
      o $46.7 billion (+12.8%) – Department of Education
      o $42.7 billion (+1.2%) – Department of Homeland Security
      o $26.3 billion (−0.4%) – Department of Energy
      o $26.0 billion (+8.8%) – Department of Agriculture
      o $23.9 billion (−6.3%) – Department of Justice
      o $18.7 billion (+5.1%) – National Aeronautics and Space Administration
      o $13.8 billion (+48.4%) – Department of Commerce
      o $13.3 billion (+4.7%) – Department of Labor
      o $13.3 billion (+4.7%) – Department of the Treasury
      o $12.0 billion (+6.2%) – Department of the Interior
      o $10.5 billion (+34.6%) – Environmental Protection Agency
      o $9.7 billion (+10.2%) – Social Security Administration
      o $7.0 billion (+1.4%) – National Science Foundation
      o $5.1 billion (−3.8%) – Corps of Engineers
      o $5.0 billion (+100%) – National Infrastructure Bank
      o $1.1 billion (+22.2%) – Corporation for National and Community Service
      o $0.7 billion (0.0%) – Small Business Administration
      o $0.6 billion (−14.3%) – General Services Administration
      o $19.8 billion (+3.7%) – Other Agencies
      o $105 billion – Other

      • 45caliber

        Want a few ideas? How about elimination of all SS payouts to anyone who didn’t pay into it for retirement? How about elimination of the Welfare Department – which I failed to see here on your list. How about elimination of Education, HUD, Homeland Security (supposed to be part of military), Energy, Agriculture, Interior, Labor, etc.? And reductions of EPA, and some others? Foreign Aid?? Buying up private property to put it into public lands? I can think of others and I know others also can. Also keep in mind that most of the expenses to SS is due to the size of the agency rather than the people drawing retirement from it.

        • JeffH

          45caliber, good call!

        • BigBadJohn

          Want a few ideas? How about elimination of all SS payouts to anyone who didn’t pay into it for retirement?
          ******************
          Only thing eligible is SSI
          eliminating this would save 45 billion

          If you eliminate Discretionary spending this covers everything in your list. BUT this still leaves us with a 400 billion dollar deficit.

          *********
          Also keep in mind that most of the expenses to SS is due to the size of the agency rather than the people drawing retirement from it.
          *******
          Where do you get your facts from?

          From the list above the total expenses for Social security administration is 9.7 billion the cash flow in and out for 2010 will be about 700 billion. Sure you might be able to cut the size of the agency, but cutting 50% of 9.7 billion is still not going to balance the budget.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            BigBJ,
            Try checking out all the kids that are in college on social security and then tell me that SSI is the only one. I know a kid that went to college on a full ride on social security and he said there were several others there as well. That’s just one college!! tuition being what it is, you could pay several peoples monthly at those rates. also there were at one time( I admit, I don’t know about now) farmers that collected Social security without paying in.

        • Karolyn

          I would imagine Welfare is under Health and Human Services, and it is an essential in this country. Of course I agree that there are those who take advantage of it. I think these women that keep getting pregnant and collecting welfare should be sterilized or court-ordered to use birth control. However, there are those who truly deserve to be helped. Have you seen how people STILL live in Appalachia?

          • libertytrain

            Re: “Have you seen how people STILL live in Appalachia?” – that’s an interesting study – like a sub-culture all on their own – plenty of government funding since Lyndon Johnson, some successes, some failures – I wonder who gets all the money? Is it to pay salaries of too many bureaucrats or is it really being put to some good use. – I’ve lost faith in throwing monies after monies year after year – seems the administrators of these funds need to be “fixed” first.

  • jopa

    Wayne;You have stated that Clinton signed HAFTA, but that was a Newt and republican bill,We are currently under the GW tax reduction bill and apparrently it is not working.Now Wall street is announcing a $144 billion payday passing last years record.The republicans want to give them another tax break and run America in the ground doing it.

    • 45caliber

      NAFTA was approved by a Rep. Congress … and signed into law by Clinton, who publically called it one of the greatest pieces of legislation made. He also stated that it would attract as many as 300,000 jobs a year to our country when in fact it cost us about that many jobs a year instead. It is still being pushed by both Democrats and Republicans despite its failure to lure jobs here and despite the fact that most citizens dislike it as a failed policy.

      As far as I’m concerned BOTH parties are equally at fault.

  • George Odell

    Read Paul Krugman’s “Hey There, Small Spender” and you will realize Obama actually has consistently played the moderate, perhaps too much so to really accomplish what we elected him for. But given the super hyped up (and very un Christian) passion that AngelWannabee reflects, it will take real courage to enact the health insurance elimination and the public works investment we really need. Show me a willingness to cut police and military and then you can say you are a financially responsible citizen who cares about the country’s – and your grandchildren’s – future.

    • Warrior

      WHAAAAAt? Listen my friend, I’m from the same area as O, He is the biggest fraud ever foisted upon the American People.

      • s c

        Warrior, when someone dares to praise a twit like Krugman, he’s in love with Keynesian economics and all of the insanity that goes with it ['you're not SPENDING enough or fast enough'].
        TAX and SPEND. THAT”S the way to prosperity! “George” hasn’t a clue. He’s just another Herr Obummer shill (like we don’t have enough progressive plants on this website).

        • 45caliber

          I remember when the Kenesian theory (guess) first came out. The author insisted that if everyone spent every penny they received each month, we would achieve prosperity for all. In fact, his idea was to issue everyone a credit card rather than money. You’re pay would go into that account and you would buy with the card. If every penny wasn’t spent in that month, the balance would go to zero at the end of the month. No one could save a penny. In fact, he even tried to “prove” that if welfare recipients were to spend every penny each month the government would get more money that it spent on them in return. Therefore, he advocated giving all welfare recipients more money as long as they spent it all.

          REALLY stupid ideas!!

          • Warrior

            So, that’s how you make a $1.79 out of $1. Genius!

          • 45caliber

            Warrior:

            Exactly.

    • 45caliber

      We need to cut the police and military? What are you smoking? Opium?

      We need the police to act as a deterent on crime. You might not mind if you get robbed but I certainly do! And we need to military as a deterent on other countries to prevent attacks here. We are simply using them wrongly by trying to act as the world’s police force.

  • barbmiller

    we have to find a presidential candidate that makes sense. i will NOT vote for newt or sarah or even the texas governor who wants to be potus, rick perry. ron paul would be great, lou dobbs wouldn’t be too bad, perhaps rand paul, but no movie stars like palin and no politically connected people like newt. we need somebody fresh who has some answers and not just more rhetoric. we CANNOT go back to sleep. if the new crop from november doesn’t do what we want, we’ve got to get them out too. 2012 looks to be a very busy year.

    • dahni

      barbmiller: very well said! i’m certainly letting my legislators know how I feel about all career politicians, and about their concern with being re-elected more than serving. i consider myself a true independent. Republicans might get my vote this time because of the need for control of congress, but i’ll be working very hard to find honest, ethical and dependable politicians for 2012.

  • justbite_me

    My only complaint with the Republicans is, last time they had control of Congress they were SPINELESS, no backbone. The Dummy DemocRATS steamrolled right over them even though the Republicans were the Majority. Me thinks the Republicans need to have back surgery to fuse their spine solid, where they can stand up straight and not bend in the middle or bow in submission. I wish someone would say “shutup/shut your piehole” when the DemocRATS start to argue, JUST BREAK THE DECORUM and not be polite or civil, the Dummy DemocRATS do it WHY NOT THE REPUBLICANS?

    • barbmiller

      even though some are standing up straight now, it’s too little too late. i will NOT vote for cornyn or hutchison when their time comes. they were among the top pork barrel/ear mark recipients. it’s time to find some true republicans instead of the ones who act more like dems.

    • 45caliber

      A few do – but far too many are actually RINO’s – actually Dimocrats in camo. Those are really the ones who we need to dump so we can get some real conservatives in place.

      • JeffH

        45caliber, you’re right with the camo scenario. One thing can be said about the Democrats, they don’t start changing their spots until election time.

        • Warrior

          LOL!

  • LiarsMustBeDefeated

    You had better figure out who is lying and who will do the right thing. And I mean EVERYBODY. Certain people that are now in office have LIED and ALL LIARS must be turned out in the election. The issues are NOT racism, hate or party. It is BAD people that are more concerned about SELF than THE PEOPLE. There is a good probability that the new congress will be just as corrupt and evil as the current one. The faces change but the results are the same. It is about SELFLESSNESS and HONESTY. Turn them OUT. Please. Did your favorite endorse a crook? Mine did, so I voted against him.

  • chuck b

    justbite_me

    if you think the republicans are going to be any different this time if elected, think again. john boehner and mcconnell are to of the worse offenders when it comes to laying down for the opposition, all the demos have to do is make any kind of threat and they are ready for appeasement. the democrats make any kind of charge toward the repubs and they spend the next six month’s apologizing.
    the only way things are really going to change is to remove the built in politicians and let new crooks in who will be honest for awhile.
    the demos and their socialist package have practically destroyed the nation if not already so even if the repubs get a majority of any kind they will not have the votes to turn this country around if they had the guts to do it. our only hope is to remove the socialist for now and in between get rid of the political hacks in the republican party or build a new party. it’s going to take a minor revolution to pry these crooks out of washington, can you imagine how nancy is going to take this loss, she may become our first female suicide bomber. elect palin in 2012 we need strong leaders and she and christie are the only ones out there that have the smarts and the bravado to get the job done. the demos have been trying to kill palin for the last two years so you know who they fear.

    • 45caliber

      What a lot of them are doing is something that they trained in. “If you want any pork passed, you MUST do as the Dims say or it won’t get passed.”

      Personally I prefer someone who doesn’t want ANY pork passed – his or anyone else’s.

  • barbmiller

    palin brought her happy behind to texas and supported rick perry. we had a tea party/campaign for liberty candidate, but she chose to back the incumbent. glenn beck did the same and even went so far as to invite debra medina on his show where he sabotaged her. he said on-air that he’d like to french kiss perry. yes, he’s friends with perry, and he and palin work for the same station. i no longer trust either of them. palin has become a movie star in her own mind. she charged $100,000 to speak at a tea party rally. yes, she gave it back, but not until the media found out and reported it/shamed and embarrassed her. she’s a joke and has zero chance of winning. we MUST find somebody we can all get behind.

  • George Odell

    You know, all this ranting about Obama seems pretty childish. I think of the comment calling him “our so called president”. How sad. He is doing a fine job and is no fraud at all. He is just what he says he is – a reflection of America’s hopeful future if you are willing to think big and break out of your pettiness. Where does this hatred really come from, “Warrior”? By the way, is that the Christlike avatar you really want for yourself.

    Here IS a fraud: I’m looking at a picture of Glenn Beck & Reverend King. King intones “I have a dream”. Glenn Beck shouts “I have a delusion”.

    • Warrior

      Pettiness? – That’s your boy. Complains about wall street but is in bed with wall street. Complains about bankers but is in bed with bankers. Complains about HC but is in bed with big pharma and insurance. Complains about Bush’s policies yet doubles down on them. All for show! That my friend is “fraud”.

      The only thing he is honest about is when he shows his disdain for the “Tea Party”. Ya know, those evil everyday tax paying, law abiding, prideful American people that know the difference between liberty and servitude.

      • 45caliber

        I agree with you. George is a fruitcase.

      • Angel Wannabe

        Warrior, This guy George I do believe, is one can shy of a six pack!!!

        • 45caliber

          Only one can??

      • Karolyn

        You just can’t stand to hear anybody else’s views! More’s the pity.

    • JeffH

      Going forth with weeping, sowing for Obama

      Bringing in the sheep, bringing in the sheep,
      We shall come rejoicing, bringing in the sheep;
      Bringing in the sheep, bringing in the sheep,
      We shall come rejoicing, bringing in the sheep.

      • http://naver samurai

        Ha, ha, ha, ha! You make me laugh, fellow patriot!

        • JeffH

          samurai, sometimes I make myself laugh too!

    • dahni

      The Obama’s have amassed their $10,000,000 plus already. Now she’s happy to be an American, I think.

      • Warrior

        And now she can be proud of AmeriKa for the first time in her life!

        BBBBBAAAAAAAARRRRRRFfff!

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Warrior,
          Uh that would be the second time! The first time was when her worthless husband got elected!!

    • http://personalliberty.com jessica

      If you are convinced that the president’s wonderous “Hope & Change” policies have been beneficial for the country, then you’ll be greatly impressed by the ambitious agenda set fourth for Obama’s second term. Here is a sampling:
      1. In keeping with the EPA’s new Global Climate Disruption Initiative, all lead- based ammunition will be outlawed as a poisonous threat to the environment. Illegal possession of lead-based ammunition will be a felony punishable by up to 10 years in prison.
      2. All U.S. paper currency will be abolished in favor of cash cards, which can only be used at government-approved services and retail outlets. All payroll, Social Security and welfare checks will be loaded onto the cards once a month, and all taxes and fees will be deducted at that time. The back of the card will have a magnetic strip containing all of your personal, medical and financial information. The front of the card will display a portrait of president Obama.
      3. Tax-exempt status for all churches, synagogues and temples will be eliminated. Mosques, however, will be exempt from this new tax rule.
      4. A special Child Tax will be levied on all childern under 21. This tax will consist of 5% of the family’s gross monthly income, per child. This tax is intended to discourage reproduction among the lower classes, thus keeping the population stable. The revenue from this tax will be used to fund new Planned Parenthood clinics in the less affluent communities across the country.
      5. The U.S.-Mexico border will be completely eliminated once and for all. Ernesto Herrera, Mexico’s wealthiest drug kingpin, will be named Governor of Arizona in a lavish coronation ceremony at the White House.
      These are just a few of the wonderous changes in store for the coming years. Now is the time for you the citizenry to prepare for the New Order, and adjust your lifestyles accordingly. And always remember: They are from the government, they are here to help you, and they know what’s best for you. (None of this is true, of course. It’s just my own lame attempt at satire. And mean-spirited satire at that.)

  • chuck b

    barbmiller

    show me any of the candidates that have returned fees for speaking that includes the messiah, palin turned the money over to pac and it’s considered campaign contribution. i rarely listen to glen beck, what i have heard i like. we watched the glen beck show the day medina appeared and he certainly had made up his mind she was not qualified in his mind. “these commentators don’t make up my mind” rick perry is a slick politician and medina never had a chance anyway. she really doesn’t have any business background (you might take a look at the guy in the wh. he didn’t either and you see the results.) women are somewhat inclined to be jealous of palin, she has it all, brains, beauty and good business sense and unlike a lot of republicans she will get in the democrats face.

    • barbmiller

      okay, she didn’t give it back to the tea party, but she claims she used it for the coservative movement. doesn’t matter what she did with it. fact is, she sure thinks a lot of herself to ask for that much. i’m not jealous of palin. when i was young, i was better looking than she’ll ever be. i have an iq of 128 which isn’t genious, but it’s far above average. i’ve owned several businesses that all made profits. medina has a degree in business and owns her own company, and she wasn’t afraid to give answers to the hard questions. she went from relative obscurity (4%) to having 18.6% of the vote due to her performance at a debate that finally got her name out there. her numbers stopped their leaps-and-bounds climb after beck’s sabotage. had she beat hutchison and forced a run-off, her name would’ve become a household word, and there’s a chance she could’ve won. the tea party was just getting organized here when all this happened, or she would’ve had an even better chance. the media causes a lot of qualified candidates to end in defeat, not just from sabotage like beck’s but by ignoring all but the dems and reps.

      • barbmiller

        sorry – genius. :) should’ve read it before posting.

  • George Odell

    All name calling aside, where is the evidence that our President is in bed with Wall Street? I believe Wall St is incensed with the consumer protection he has set up.

    Where is the evidence he is “in bed” with big Pharma? Why does Michael Moore support Obama? He’s made a decent start on a problem none of your apparent heroes are willing to touch. Too political. Too risky.

    And don’t pretend for one second you didn’t vote for Bush. The only Bush policy he doubled down on was the bail out, which actually worked, or you’d really have something to get upset about. Right now the economy is “disappointing”. That’s a far cry from “melting down”.

    But it doesn’t seem some of you want to listen to reason.

    • JeffH

      George Odell, this from your own scribe the Huffingto Post
      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/charles-gasparino/barack-obama-wall-street_b_755845.html

      Conventional wisdom has it that Wall Street is the ultimate bastion of free-market capitalism and that the big bankers are, of course, diehard Republicans, red to the core. But the truth is far from that: Many of the leaders of the world’s financial firms are as liberal as they come. As attorney and political strategist Jack Burkman explains, “People tend to associate Republicans with Wall Street, but the truth is, it’s the Democrats that are in bed with the Street. And that’s certainly true with Obama. He’s been in bed [with them] from the beginning. And that was crucial to his victory. Without Wall Street’s initial support he doesn’t have credibility … No doubt about it. Without Wall Street, Obama would not be in power today.”

      Maybe it’s just to score points on the Manhattan cocktail circuit, but these six bankers break the mold and bleed Obama blue; what’s more they all gave eye-popping amounts of green in the last election cycle to help elect a president they truly bought and paid for. Combined, these six alone gave $282,100 in the last cycle to the Democrats; their combined donations to Republicans: $7,650. That would be almost 37 times as much money going to the left as to the right. For more, see my just-released book, “Bought and Paid For: The Unholy Alliance Between Barack Obama and Wall Street.”

    • JeffH

      George Odell, Obama and Big Pharma…again from your own liberal Huffington Post…READ THE MEMO YOURSELF…
      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/13/internal-memo-confirms-bi_n_258285.html

      Internal Memo Confirms Big Giveaways In White House Deal With Big Pharma
      A memo obtained by the Huffington Post confirms that the Obama White House and the pharmaceutical lobby secretly agreed to precisely the sort of wide-ranging deal that both parties have been denying over the past week.
      The memo, which according to a knowledgeable health care lobbyist was prepared by a person directly involved in the negotiations, lists exactly what the White House gave up, and what it got in return.

      It says the White House agreed to oppose any congressional efforts to use the government’s leverage to bargain for lower drug prices or import drugs from Canada — and also agreed not to pursue Medicare rebates or shift some drugs from Medicare Part B to Medicare Part D, which would cost Big Pharma billions in reduced reimbursements.

      In exchange, the Pharmaceutical Researchers and Manufacturers Association (PhRMA) agreed to cut $80 billion in projected costs to taxpayers and senior citizens over ten years. Or, as the memo says: “Commitment of up to $80 billion, but not more than $80 billion.”

      Representatives from both the White House and PhRMA, shown the outline, adamantly denied that it reflected reality. PhRMA senior vice president Ken Johnson said that the outline “is simply not accurate.” “This memo isn’t accurate and does not reflect the agreement with the drug companies,” said White House spokesman Reid Cherlin.

      Stories in the Los Angeles Times and the New York Times last week indicated that the administration was confirming that such a deal had been made.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      George Odell
      My goofball friend, you forget the patriot act???? You forget Afghanistan???? He expanded BOTH!!!!

  • George Odell

    How about Carly Fiorina and her chopping of 30,000 jobs at Hewlett Packard? Who would want to be on her side?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xy_GJuGQ1es

    How do you keep you heads so deeply buried in the sand about what the Republicans will do to YOU when they get another chance? Republicans can be OK, but definitely not now!!

    • Vicki

      I kinda like the idea of her working in government. Maybe she can lay off a few MILLION of those people wasting our money on their little pet projects.

      As to the corporate jet Nancy Pelosi is doing that with OUR money. At least Ms. Fiorina was nice enough to use her or her companys money instead of OUR money.

      To the whiners in that hit piece. If you think the CEO is overpaid than STOP playing a victim. Buy stock and vote him/her out.

    • JeffH

      George Odell, it is evident by your own example that you only believe what you see on the tube. Carly Fiorina is a prime example of what is still good in America. I live in California and have met Fiorina and questioned her. She didn’t duck one question by me or any other person. I also would expect that you believe Jerry Brown can change too. RIGHT!

    • JeffH

      Boxer is going after Fiorina for laying off 30,000 workers and outsourcing jobs when she was at HP’s helm — then taking a $21 million severance package when the board fired her.
      Which makes Fiorina guilty of — what? — having been a Silicon Valley CEO.

      Fiorina doesn’t run away from her record. At the only televised debate of the race, Fiorina told a former HP employee, “This is the 21st century. Any job can go anywhere. And what worries me deeply is the jobs we lose now may not come back. And so we have to fight for every job. The truth is that California has a higher-than-average unemployment rate” — it’s 12.4 percent — “because we are destroying jobs and others are fighting harder for our jobs.”

      Boxer promises to be the California senator who will fight for “American jobs.” How? She is a cog in a Democratic machine that adjourned Congress and left town without extending the Bush tax cuts for anyone.

      How can Boxer help create American jobs when her party wouldn’t even extend the tax cuts for households earning less than $250,000 because Democratic leaders are afraid of being outmaneuvered by the GOP?

  • chuck b

    george odell

    30,000 people may be small fish compared to the millions that barry and your democrats have caused to lose their jobs. boxer was a big part in the mishandling of the economy and i think a dog catcher would do a better job. go back and check the records, check the votes since 2007 and tell me who has their head in the sand. the video on you tube is nothing but democratic propaganda, however, there are a lot of people that fall into that trap. when watching those videos you will see only snipets of people, then they edit out the whole story and take it out of context. but, liberals like to fall for that kind of bs.

  • George Odell

    Of course, that is your considered opinion, as you rush along with this crowd, focusing all blame on unions and welfare and immigrants (of all people) for our national problems. The fact is that our country is on the brink of making another of its great historic blunders, akin to rolling back African American liberty in Reconstruction, allowing England and France to brutalize Germany in the 20s, and the McCarthy trials. If you live long enough, and have the spirit of compassion, demagogues like Boehner and Beck and sleezy operators like Rove will leave you wishing you never heard their names.

    I beseech you all, my fellow string correspondents, open your minds and your hearts!

    • JeffH

      George Odell, your opinion only. Now you can take your place with all of the other sheeple feeding at the trough.

    • JeffH

      …just an FYI…why is it that YOU liberal hacks fail to realize the problem we have is with the illegal immigrants! You’ve been indoctrinated way too much for your own good.

  • home boy

    well 45calliber, see all the responses to this article have up lifted a few but they just don’t get. they still think man isthe answer . they will be shocked when it hits the fan. watch what the U.N. does. all countries will be handing over their power to the U.N. for a short time. stay tuned

  • http://com i41

    George and Kenetic1, you progressive marxist communists don’t have a clue on reality of creating jobs and the beleif that lawyers and welfare rats are productive Americans, shows what idoits you are. The main reason jobs are not being created, is because there is no way to estimate your next year employee costs to employ them. You over educated retards follow so far? Second, every persons healthcare costs after Jan 1 will now cost an estimated $3600 per year. Wages for all jobs have declined for the same job by 15% since a year ago. Dumbocraps own that fact, didn’t see the bastards cut their pay or Onumnutts quit spending 6 million a trip per vacation. If the marxist muslim moron would have given non umion workers each $5,000 a person, think of the movement in economic activity it would create. $ 50+ million would have of created a lot of good will.

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