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A Wing And A Scare

November 30, 2010 by  

A Wing And A Scare

Ripped from the headlines:

“Show Detective Stabler where the man touched you, Johnny.”

Another riveting episode of Law & Order: SVU? Nope — it’s the newest addition: “Law & Order: TSA.” And don’t look for it on television. Check local listings for time and airport.

There are a million jokes I could crack about President Barack Obama’s new fascist false flag flap at the nation’s airports. But bandwidth limits the space available, even if the situation wrought by Obama and his stooges as the height of the holiday travel season arrives provides endless opportunities for comedy. Well, tragicomedy, anyway.

It’s actually difficult to comprehend how we’ve arrived at this moment. The same liberals who shrieked bloody murder at the very idea of waterboarding Islamofascist terrorists are okey-dokey with the idea of taking dirty pictures of Grandma Kettle and copping a feel off Great-Aunt Ida? During the George W. Bush administration, liberals were apoplectic over the idea that we were denying al-Qaida terrorists bacon-free Happy Meals. The same folks are now telling us to live with being fondled by some guy named Mel with an embroidered badge, mustard stains on his high-water pants and a drawer full of rejection letters from the local sheriff’s department.

Should we even be surprised? An administration which has shown unabashed hostility to the majority of the American people since Obama slithered into the White House has decided to obscure their pathetic record on foreign affairs and national security by endeavoring to distract us with a colossal false flag. And now, the $10/hour mouth-breather who would otherwise be slinging coronaries at the airport Cinnabon is the last line of defense between air travelers and the next shoe-bomber. Doesn’t that mean we’re already screwed?

The stories are coming faster than the voters abandoned the Democrats earlier this month. At school or church, these incidents would be considered pedophilia. At LAX, they’re “security.” Some of the anecdotes are wildly exaggerated. Others are not — and require no augmentation to strain credulity. In some cases, the sordid tales of TSA excess come with the kind of pictures which, if found under your mattress, would lead to a date with the FBI.

Witness the nightmarish video from Salt Lake City starring a kid barely old enough to fly without sitting in a parent’s lap. Shot last Friday, the video revealed Transportation Security Administration thugs treating the tyke in a manner which normally requires police intervention, followed by registration with the state. Even the Palestinians don’t treat their kids this poorly; at least not until they’re old enough to walk under the weight of the Semtex vest.

There’s the miserable story out of Detroit in which poor Thomas Sawyer of Lansing, Mich., was treated far worse than we treat the al-Qaida terrorists about whom the liberals are so concerned. Sawyer is a bladder cancer survivor. As a result of his disease, Sawyer has to wear a urostomy bag. Back on Nov. 7, Sawyer went through security at Detroit’s Metropolitan Airport. And the TSA was ready.

“Evidently the scanner picked up on my urostomy bag, because I was chosen for a pat-down procedure…One agent watched as the other used his flat hand to go slowly down my chest. I tried to warn him that he would hit the bag and break the seal on my bag, but he ignored me. Sure enough, the seal was broken and urine started dribbling down my shirt and my leg and into my pants. They never apologized. They never offered to help. They acted like they hadn’t seen what happened. But I know they saw it because I had a wet mark.”

If only Sawyer had shown up wearing a hijab — then the terrorist front-group CAIR might have demanded security personnel check only his head and neck.

These documented instances are but few of the accounts of TSA behavior which are growing at what appear to be a geometric rate. Women and children have been molested; men like Sawyer have been humiliated, all by Obama’s airport animals. Amidst howls of justifiable rage from the flying public, the administration’s response has been laughable — and laughably disharmonious.

The U.S. Secretary of “I’m really not running for President in 2012″ Hillary Clinton even acknowledged on her dash through the Sunday morning network chat-fests that she would prefer to avoid Obama’s empty security gestures. Asked if she would submit to some alone-time with a TSA thug, Clinton admitted:

"Not if I could avoid it…I mean, who would?"

She CAN avoid it. You and I… can take Amtrak.

At least Clinton appears to get it. Senator Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.), finds humor in the humiliation of her fellow citizens.

"I am wildly excited about the notion that I can walk through a machine instead of getting my dose of love pats."

Surely, Senator McCaskill, even the TSA’s glorified mall security guards aren’t that hard up.

Meanwhile, backed by Obama’s silly statements regarding the necessity of the new measures, Homeland Secretary Janet Napolitano and TSA Director John Pistole have maintained their stance in favor of getting handsy with citizens. Pistole recently told Congress:

"We know the terrorists’ intent is still there… We are using technology and protocols to stay ahead of the threat and keep you safe. (Several near-misses by terrorists on airplane bombings) got through security because we were not being thorough enough in our pat-downs."

Actually, the threats to which Pistole referred in his testimony — would-be terrorists like Richard Reid and Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab — got through because foreign airports allowed them through; a situation which will remain unchanged no matter how many times some TSA creep touches American travelers’ “junk.”

Pistole’s boss Napolitano makes no effort to wrap herself in the false flag with which Pistole covers himself. Instead, she shares the rest of the liberal ruling elite’s disdain for those of us who fly coach. In addition to suggesting that those averse to spending quality time with Obama’s TSA thugs should consider alternative modes of transportation, she’s also warning intransigent travelers that their refusal to subject themselves to humiliation will carry consequences far more serious than simply arriving late to Thanksgiving dinner.

According to recent reports like this one in the South Florida Sun-Sentinel:

“(Those who refuse to submit to invasive screening procedures) will have to remain on the premises to be questioned by the TSA and possibly by local law enforcement. Anyone refusing faces fines up to $11,000 and possible arrest.”

Just lay there, close your eyes and try to live through it.

Of course, we can avoid having to play “hide the cookies” with the TSA, provided we’re willing to:

  1. Be “scanned” by devices which not only reveal enough to make even Larry Flynt uncomfortable, but deliver enough radiation to make frequent flyers grow extra toes.
  2. Gamble that the supposedly instantly deleted images will actually be instantly deleted and not spread across the Internet by perverted TSA personnel. Oops — spoke too soon.
  3. Eschew air travel and go Greyhound. Enjoy 18 hours sitting next to a guy who smells like hamsters and feet.

There is another option. We can refuse. We can grind the nation’s airways to a halt. All right, we can grind the nation’s airways to even more of a halt than the airlines have already ground them. It’s not as if the airlines will suffer for the loss of paying customers — they’ll end up getting another multi-billion dollar bailout.

We can finally stand up to the increasingly despotic liberal regime and cry with one voice:

“We had better get some freaking peanuts after this!”

Ben Crystal

is a 1993 graduate of Davidson College and has burned the better part of the last two decades getting over the damage done by modern-day higher education. He now lives in Savannah, Ga., where he has hosted an award-winning radio talk show and been featured as a political analyst for television. Currently a principal at Saltymoss Productions—a media company specializing in concept television and campaign production, speechwriting and media strategy—Ben has written numerous articles on the subjects of municipal authoritarianism, the economic fallacy of sin taxes and analyses of congressional abuses of power.

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  • Kinetic1

    If only the Obama administration would quit relying on advise from the past administration. It was former Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff who started pushing these things back in Dec. ’09, and I think he’s making a few bucks on the deal. One good thing about all this; at least now we know just how much people are willing to give up for “safety.” Wire taps, e-mail reviews, credit history, non of these things seemed to upset people when the “Patriot Act” was pushed through, but now that they’ve hired a team of erstwhile Supermen to use their x-ray vision on us, well that’s invasive!

    • Carole Howell

      The U S military gave up on that technology in Iraq, they went back to using bomb sniffing dogs. They are more reliable and cost less than $9,000 as opposed to that technology that costs over $150,000. We are being ripped off.

      • http://eddie47d@gmail.com eddie47d

        I don’t think anyone wants a bomb sniffing dog sticking it’s nose up our crotches. Most men and women who have been around dogs have experienced that.

        • Scott

          I’ll take the dog’s nose over the hernia check any day. Plus, dogs won’t retain nude photos and circulate them to family and friends.

          • Denniso

            I think people who have the strongest objections should consider driving,taking a train or not traveling. Those pictures are not exactly fine potography and it’s hard to imagine they could compete w/ the boundless pornography found all over the internet. Any airport screener who needs to look at the pics from the scanners is in desperate need of help.

            Ben Crystal is blaming Obama for this invasive screening,but that’s more than suspect and most likely pure politics. The TSA is doing their best to protect people and the airlines from what would be a devastating blow to the airlines and the economy if a bomb goes off.

            So, drive instead.

          • Vicki

            Denniso writes:
            “Ben Crystal is blaming Obama for this invasive screening,but that’s more than suspect and most likely pure politics.”

            Silly of Ben to actually notice that Obama is currently thought to be the top dog in the administration. Unlike most liberals who continue to blame Bush et all.

            Though it is interesting to note the number of et all that Obama kept around for his “change” :)

          • eddie47d

            I see Vickie is blowing more smoke.

          • denniso

            No President decides every issue in his administration…that’s why there are cabinet secretaries. Look at how Reagan and Shrub stayed out of most of the day to day running of their presidencies.

            The Repubs are just continuing their stategy of bashing Obama over absoulutely everything possible,w/ the idea that some of it sticks and affects his approval rating. Dirty and cheap politics…

          • Brad

            So, honestly, Deniso, if it were Bush in office you wouldn’t be saying the same things? When he was in office and even NOW when he’s NOT in office, everything is his fault. Yet we try to (correctly) place the blame on (the buck SHOULD stop here) Obama, and you pathetic Obama defenders go WAAHHHH.

          • Denniso

            No, I wouldn’t be saying the same things…I gave Bush credit for bucking his party and pushing through the bailouts for the financial sector,even though the collapse began under him. I also have said that the crash isn’t all Bush’s fault…the libertarian Greenspan who is a follower of the joke Ayn Rand is probably more responsible and Democrats as well thought we had found a new model for capitalism that couldn’t fail.

            It’s true that Bush is a simpleton and probably the worst prez ever,but he didn’t know enough about economics to understand what was going on.

        • CHIMPIMP

          That is ridiculous. The bomb sniffing dog doesn’t even have to get that close to alert his/her handler if there is a bomb or firearms on the person.

        • Carole Howell

          Well then keep those 150,000 dollars machines that are not reliable. Plus these dogs are trained only to go after bombs, not crotches, but of course if the bomb were there, they would find it. In Russia they found one in a bra.

        • Ret

          They’re bomb sniffing dogs. They only sniff crotches that have bombs, not indiscriminate sniffing. They’re TRAINED, not some idiot’s out of control dog.

        • Launce Kramer

          I would rather have a dog sniffing at my crotch than some pervert’s hands up there.

          • Carol

            AMEN!!!!!

          • Christin

            “Our government has found out how much injustice Americans are willing to quietly accept, but it has yet to see what happens when we’ve had enough.”

            Author – Glenn Beck

          • Denniso

            Is that ‘Glen Beck’,the airport security expert and terrorism consultant?

          • JC

            No Denniso, that’s Glen Beck the “American”.
            I don`t expect you to understand…

          • denniso

            Oh, now I see…Glen Beck the loudmouth,uneducated,untrained fool?

            The laughing all the way to the bank while I con my viewers Glenn Beck…that guy who must be one of the least educated millionaire blabbers in the country?

          • JC

            I told you that you wouldn’t understand. Are you completely hysterical ALL of the time or just when you show up here?

          • Denniso

            Neither you nor Beck says anything that needs to be understood. Sorry…

          • Christin

            To haters of Glenn Beck and other Progressives,

            I think Glenn Beck’s quote from his book, Broke, was quite profound. So that you wouldn’t think I wrote it, I gave credit where credit was due.

            He has done his homework and has many researchers paid by FOX and some more he’s hired and pays himself. There is so much to learn about the liberal/progressive/communists and their stifling of our Economy and Freedoms in America and world wide. He has even developed a new web site called: the Blaze.com. What is going on in our country with gov over-reaching into our lives and now looking and touching our private bodies (like those put in jail), forsaking innocence until proven guilty, and our bodies are the Temple of God where the Holy Spirit resides if one is born again in Christ Jesus as stated in the Bible.

            But then those of you who are raising CAIN (you can read about what he did in the Bible), well, I wouldn’t expect you to understand. I am not posting to communicate with socially childish progressives… like you, but with reasonable, common sense, patriotic, Conservative, Constitutional Americans.

          • Denniso

            With all due respect to the Bible, Glenn Beck is a charlatan and con man who is taking you for a long ride…long enough to make him millions. He was never a journalist and all he’s doing is trying to cash in on the Limbaugh crowd. Why do you need to follow a man who is telling you what to fear and hate?

      • Warrior

        Would the dogs have to pay union dues? If not, I’m for them!

        • Smeethow

          The handler might be union, but the dog works for food. And they do what the TSA should do. They profile the people. If you smell like a bomb they nail you, other wise they leave you alone. I’d trust the dog any day.

      • Shirley Jones

        The substance sniffing trained dogs sound like the perfect replacement for the TSA “Handy-Person-Patters”! At least the dogs would not spread diseases because of not changing gloves and they would not be invasive to a person’s body, nor would they do embarrassing things to a person. They would just bark and sit as soon as the evidence was smelled on a person.

        If we, as a country that was founded on Christianity would turn back to God, ask his forgiveness and live the way He directed us, we would not have to worry about all these terrorists! God would see that we are protected just like He protected the believers in the Bible.

    • SSGDave

      Wow-that sounded like “Blame Bush” all over again-is there Nothing Liberals won’t do to try NOT to accept blame? They Widened the Problem, INCREASED the “Pat Down” to include Unprofessional behavior-and all you can do is say “Blame Bush”? You whiners need to feel free to Accept the blame, once and for ALL!

      • Bob Wire

        yea and like when has the conservatives stood up and taken any responsibility for anything ? Name a few things to offer truth that they do!! ~ ?????

        “Mission accomplished”?? “Read my lips?” , lower taxes creates jobs?

        Iranians are going to throw flowers? ~! It will be over in 3 months?

        They’ve holding WMD’s? Water boarding is not torture? 4000 dead Gi and no Osama ~but we seen him hiding in Bora Bora mountains and let him up during mail call. Rubber stamp AG office, inert SEC, Enron Buddies,
        Bernnie Madoff ~ and there is no such thing as insider trading going on. These are all isolated cases of one or two people that got sticky fingers for Years and years ! and all Wall Street Banks and Senators are just “shocked!

        Please ! by all mean ~~ lead the way to this notion of GOP “responsibility” !

        • Carole Howell

          Bob,
          You missed ‘It will all be paid for by Iraqi oil.’

          Well, as I have said before, it really does not matter today who sits in the WH now does it?

          Obama, keeps a lot of Bush’s team, follows right along with extending the Patriot Act and if you read it you realize you have very little rights left at all. You are at the mercy of the President now. That seems like we have almost a dictatorship.

          Yeah! Bob, how many times have we heard the Bush team blame Clinton, Oh! the Clinton people did not tell us about any terrorist threats LIE. Oh! the Clinton people removed all the ‘Ws’ from the keyboards LIE! Well, the deregulation started on Clinton’s watch, True, now that is true, but the deregulation that did the most damage was done under Bush. Those are facts that cannot be denied and they were done before the democrats took over.

          See! it matters not who sits in the WH. We will get screwed as long as people can buy our politicians.

          • http://MozzelaFirefox Jo

            You need to find out who’s pulling the strings of our elected officials and do something about them. We need to find out who the shadow government is and dismantle it. I would start with the Council on Foreign Relations and the Federal Reserve Bank.

          • CJM

            Carole: In case you haven’t noticed, Obama has already established his “dictatorship;” you saw that when he dissed John McCain, who had offerred a valid suggestion on Obamacare, that “I won the election,” then ignored the suggestion and went back to his democratic puppet. Obama wants to be the last elected President and the first dictator of the United States. If he gets his way, we may as well change the name of our country to the United States of Communist America…nuff said?

          • Bob Wire

            all valid points Carole! it’s the blind ones I address, that wish to play nanny nanny poo poo games.

            I’m very disappointed with some things by all players myself.

            I don’t trust my well being as a American to HLS. The opportunity for abuse is just too great.

            This political blind bias is just overwhelming at times and has the mentality of a tractor pull crowd. And don’t get me wrong, I love a good tractor as much as anyone. But it’s not all about power and force but the application of power and force.

            Overkill is wasteful and a crime to continually to pursue knowing resources hard fought for and came at a great price.

            Reagan was a wonderful man and president, he achieved many things but many things were also broken and many still suffer from it to this very day.

            Andrew Jackson was a wonder President and all American own him thanks ~ accept the native American and I can’t blame them one bit! To them, he was an evil curse, a scourge on the land.

            He secured the North America’s, finally free of Britain. He secured a monetary economy policy. ~ He was a democrat that believe in everyone living inside their means and paying their way, He sold federal Land and gave America a zero national debt. He fought entrenched power in high places and won.

            But the Tail of Tears prevents me from “over honoring” him and brings us great shame in spite of all the good he did for the nation. We could be more proud of America today without the “Trail of Tears” around our necks.

            It’s just a fact ! The man was a ass and a bigot. A man with a huge ego and purpose for the working white man.

            accept the truth! 43 liked to play the big shot and was a baby kissing,press the flesh man, a spoiled, pretty ,rich man son, knowing very little about the true nature of hard work, leadership and possessed few winning qualities of his own. He couldn’t build a winning ball team, he failed to complete his military obligation in stellar fashion like most men that receive Honorable Discharges as he was a rich man son and had a history of half hearted failures to his credit long before he became Command and Chief of most powerful nation the world has ever known.

            It gives me chill bumps to think about it.

          • Bob Wire

            “Carole: In case you haven’t noticed, Obama has already established his “dictatorship;” you saw that when he dissed John McCain, who had offerred a valid suggestion on Obamacare, that “I won the election,” then ignored the suggestion and went back to his democratic puppet. ”

            I remember that as well, Burt unlike you I remember McCain as lobbying and not suggesting a darn thing. And “O” did shut him down, it was a smack down as “O” set the tenor of the meeting and took the leading position as a mandate afford him so.

            Let me see if I can put that up ~~ hold on.

            “Most memorable was a brief argument between Obama and Sen. John McCain, his Republican rival in the 2008 presidential campaign. Obama scolded McCain after the Arizona senator spent several minutes complaining that the health reform process has not been transparent and suggesting that the “change” they both campaigned on has not been realized in Washington.

            “Let me just make this point, John, because we’re not campaigning anymore,” Obama said. “The election’s over.”

            McCain said he was well aware of that fact.

            Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/02/26/obama-shows-testy-health-care-summit#ixzz16n6PuGbB

            Perhaps, McCain’s “suggestions” could have been better developed. As he was now speaking to the Command and Chief, not a dictator as you state but the first chair position. And as 43 stated so clearly reminded Chaney, “I’m the Decider” ~~ it comes with the title and demands special respect ~ regardless who the president is.

            I wish I could find what Mc Cain said verbatim but I remember it being short in development and long in whine, taking away the constructiveness of the met.

          • Karolyn

            We are so far away from a dictatorship it isn’t even funny!

          • Kate8

            Karolyn – Didn’t you say that you are from Russia or something?

            Obviously, you don’t really understand the concept of freedom that our founders intended. We are so far from that now as to make those great men weep.

          • Al Sieber

            Karoyln, you’re so far removed from reality it shows me you no nothing about history or the Constitution. we’re already in soft tyranny.

        • T.F.

          Through 8 years of Bush I don’t recall a single time he blamed the previous administration, or anyone for that matter. Now, he may have somewhere, but I never saw it or heard it. He allowed all blame to fall on him regardless if it was his fault or not (usually not), “the buck stops here” so to speak. Noone is perfect. I don’t agree with everything Bush did in office, I feel he became too progressive at the end, but his time in office contained way more class. Unlike the Clintons, he didn’t vandalize the white house and all the equipment tax payers paid for when he left. Unlike the Obama’s, he didn’t have a backing of people who thought it was ok to be embarrassingly disrespectful at the official change over. I have never been so embarrased for my country as I did on that day. He has since continued to embarass this country. At least he’s consistent!

          • http://eddie47d@gmail.com eddie47d

            That is because Bush had Cheney and they always played good cop,bad cop. They blamed Clinton plenty and so do alot of folks on this sight. I think it’s time for the Republicans to “man up” and accept the fact that they are just as ornery as those they accuse.

          • Bob Wire

            well, they wasn’t left an “Arm pit” for one thing.

            and there was a few instances of digging up bones if you stop and recall.

            But all and all the general consensus of many Americans in 2005 was everything was peachy, only God and Christmas was under attack.

          • HFlashman

            Oh gawd…Bush blamed everyone but his administration. He never “man’d up” to anything. Even when he showed his true colors and hid on 9/11-9/12….it wasn’t his fault he turned yellow in time of crisis.

            Jeesh …

          • Kinetic1

            Come on, T.F. The claims that the Clinton administration vandalized “the white house and all the equipment” has long been debunked. As for Dubbya taking responsability, have you forgotten this?

            “…at one of George Bush’s rare press conferences, he was asked by a reporter to fess up to a mistake he’d made since September 11. He grunted and groaned. “I wish you’d have given me this written question ahead of time so I could plan for it,” Bush chuckled. After assuring the reporter that “something will pop into my head,” he finally gave up, admitting, “I’m not as quick on my feet as I should be in coming up with one.”

            Funny thing is, most Americans could have answered that question without a pause.

        • Pixie

          Drop the anger towards your fellow Americans. United we stand – divided we fall.

          • JC

            No problem. As soon as we have eradicated all communist thinking in the USSA, we will be united once again. :)

        • Mack

          Dear oh so OBVIOUS LIBERAL!

          You like most Liberals are so consumed with blaming the GOP, you fail to acknowlege your obvious hyperkinetic hypocracy! I am so glad you communists are not in the White House, oops my mistake you have 24 months left in the White House, IF your Commie Crony doesn’t get impeached, & kicked out before then! REAL AMERICANS are tired you Commies trying to give, sell, trade away our FREEDOM!

          • Kinetic1

            Mack,
            “Real Americans”? It amazes me how people on the far right have co-opted the name “American.” Your “historians” re-write history to make our leaders the type of Christians you want them to be. Your politicians claim to know the one and only “true” interpretation of the Constitution. Your TV personalities and religious leaders tell us all the right way to think, the right way to see history, the right way to “be”. “True Americans” only believe what you believe, lead a life like yours, pray in the same churches as yours and share the same morals as yours. What would we do without you to tell us who is a “Real American” and who is a “commie”?

      • HFlashman

        Well SSg Dave… where did you stand when Bush Ii and his gang of thieves came out with the unpatriotic Act, the Homeland Security concept, Gitmo and making torture an offically snactioned part of US policy, trashing the Consttution, selling us out to the Arab shiekdoms (kissing them? I mean…subservient or what?), piling up the debt onto the People and the states, stealing us blind, monitoring our communication, making hard cash all ut useless and calling a “terror alert” whenever there was a poitical crisis they wanted to divert attention from?

        Fact is…these methods used by TSA today were begun prior to this administration. I’m not saying they are correct … I was against them in the beginning, against them now. As were most people other than the brainwashed robots of the Right.

        The difference today, the difference which has the Rght screaming….the ONLY reason the Right now screams, is that the “free pass’ given in the past to the wealthy and elite is no longer given. There are no ‘special’ lines for the elite. Everyone is subject to this screening. And because they now have to go through what the people have to go through…it’s now an huge issue.

        This author is now ramping up the propaganda because he is now subject to these searches. Do you really think Crystal would write about this as a problem if he wasn’t subjected to it…if it were business as susual per Bush II giving the elite and the “in-crowd” of the Right a pass? If you think it woud be…you are a fool. and a likely candidate for their lies and mistruths and hyperbole overblowing issues drawing your attention away from their misdeeds and theiving ways.

        Let me throw this line back at you and see what your response is…remember this line? ” We haven’t had a terrorist attack on this the procedures. What’s the problem with a little inconvenience?”

        Precedent was set by your acquiesence to Bush II trampling over us. The difference is…under this administration, we’re allowed to be heard and our opinions matter. It IS a controversy because this administration, and the Moderates and the Liberals, don’t stifle the people’s speech…unlike the Right when they have power.

        • Luc

          Regardless of whom you want to blame, its innocent American citizens who are having to undergo the humiliation and violation of our rights. The “elite” (i.e. Obama, Napolitano, Pistole, Pelosi, Reid, Clinton and the rest) are STILL exempt and LAUGHING at the rest of us fools who have to put up with it! Regardless of how or when it started, we need something done about it NOW! The current administration is in a position to do something about it NOW, but will they? Will your beloved progressive/liberal/democrats MAN UP and show some CHARACTER and INTEGRITY and RESPECT??? I think we ALL know the answer to that one … when hell freezes over!

          • richard handwerk

            the real issue is that this does not work. the system israel uses does. why then are we implementing it? garnering a civil army? unionizing them? the cost of machines. making the american people give up more of their rights. never let a crisis go to waste!

          • modern martyr

            the real issue is that this does not work. the system israel uses does. why then are we implementing it? garnering a civil army? unionizing them? the cost of machines. making the american people give up more of their rights. never let a crisis go to waste!

          • Kate8

            I think we should demand that all of them (Reid, Pelosi, etc.) be through scanners and pat-downs. They can be patronizing to us because they are exempt.

            Can’t you just see Pelosi undergoing a pat-down? How about the guy viewing the scanner-screen? I want to see Obama and Michelle get patted down, too. Then I’d, maybe, hear what they have to say.

            Oh, much to humiliating for the likes of them. They are above the rest of us cattle. Because foisting on us things they won’t do themselves suggests, loudly, how they view us.

          • Kinetic1

            Richard or Modern or whoever you are,
            I wish it were so simple. I looked into Israel’s system and while it does work for them, they have a much smaller public to deal with. I’m not saying I support the scanners or the pat downs, only that we can’t expect the same results the Israelis get. Truth be told, we’ve stopped most attempts, either on the ground or in the air, and most terrorists get on in other countries, so the Israeli system might be enough. The question is, what are you willing to risk? I don’t fly often, so maybe I’m willing to accept a more conservative pat down. I’m not too keen on being irradiated. I’m also not that worried about being on “that one plane.”

            Face it, no matter how much security screening is done, one surface to air weapon will do you in. America has become so afraid of another 9/11 that we have bankrupted ourselves to fight wars, tighten security and create new “departments” to keep us safe. We’ve increased the cost of travel and business by slowing the boarding process to a crawl. The armies of nations have done less to affect our lives than a hand full of terrorists, and all they need to do is keep us afraid.

          • Kinetic1

            Kate8,
            It’s easy to point fingers and call people names, but why should they go through pat downs? These are our nation’s leaders and they are flying on our nation’s own fleet. What are the chances that they would be terrorists? I admit that I would prefer to have my own jet to fly me where I want to go. No lines, little chance of a terrorist getting on board, but that’s not reality. We have to fly with the Airlines, and that comes with some risk. I just don’t believe that the threat is everything that it has ben made out to be, however I’d hate to be the President who pulls the plug on these extreme measures facing the media after an in-flight bombing.

        • Carole Howell

          Jo,
          Up above said we need to find out who is pulling the strings. She is so right.

          If Obama was a dictator when he called the big wigs from the Pentagon in to tell them he wanted and exit plan for Afghanistan, the Pentagon would have answered “Right away Sir” saluted him and got right on it. But instead they said no. Obama argued and said he did not want to commit untold Trillions to that war, and they still said no. So not only is he not a true dictator, he is not even regarded as Commander in Chief a power given to him by our constitution. So he is a puppet.

          I agree the health care plan is a flop, an even bigger give away to big Pharma and the ‘health care for profit’ insurance companies than Bush’s plan that privatized Medical and Medicaid that caused those costs to Sky Rocket immediately and did not improve a damn thing, only made matters worse all around. It is nothing like he seemed to want on the campaign trail, but everything like what Hillary wanted.???

          We are screwed again. Screwed first by Bush and screwed again by Obama.

          • http://Alaska Wild Bill

            Carol,If you want to know who is “pulling the strings”,have a good Marine sniper place a .50 calibre bullet between the eyes of George Soros and see how quick all the bad things happening to America stop.
            Wild Bill
            Alaska

          • Karolyn

            I seem to recall the same things being said about Cheney.

          • Christin

            You are right Wild Bill.

            Geroge Soros, his Open Society, and many poisonous tenticles (groups he puts millions of dollars into to do his bidding..NPR…) are behind every thing bad happening in America. He has said in his own words that he is orchestrating a “managed collaspe of our dollar” and is trying to get “foreign voices” in here because of our balance of power in the Constitution and push us to NWO… in his own words. Soros dreams of being a god and ruling the world.

            TSA is assaulting everyone who is going through the enhanced pat down… like they are in prison/jail. The radiation scanners don’t even pick up powder bombs… and are failable, expensive and bad people are making money on them. And now they are going to fine and detain you if you refuse this treatment… enough is enough, America!

            Solution:
            1.) Hire (retired) returning military to use the bomb sniffing dogs in and around the airports. They would be great and then EVERYONE would be sniffed… including the muslims (who are the terrorists) who are not getting patdowns because of their religion. [By the way my faith does not allow for sexual assaults either.]

            2.) Let people still go through the metal detectors as before.

            3.) Hire the (retired) returning military to do questioning of flyers who fit the profile: flying one way, paying cash, flying alone, male between 20 – 30, foreigner coming from Middle East and Africa, no luggage, on no fly list….

            This is what Isreal does and a country in Europe uses dogs. We need to be smart and speak as one AMERICAN voice and not allow the loss of our freedoms in the false name of security by this wicked gov’t.

            We did some traveling over the Thanksgiving week and there were tons of cars on the road, more than usual… I told my spouse no one wants to fly and get assaulted by gov TSA. The airlines will loose income, go broke, and then get a bail out… courtesy of your tax dollars… and the gov’t will own them, too,… National Capitalism (China)… so great, huh?

        • Bob

          Where do I begin? 1st, the Patriot Act was legislation. Please report back how many democrats voted for it. Next,What EXACTLY in the Patriot Act do you disagree with? 3rd, why is it not possible that Crystal objects to the TSA screening because it’s simply absurd like the many, many thousands of citizens? 4th- How do you compare warrantless wiretaps on phone calls originating from out of the country to children being fondled? Why are you ok with obvious non-threatening citizens being subjected to absolute invasions of privacy to the obvious solution of profiling? As far as respect for the office, I lost it when Bubba waved his finger at the citizenry and lied and perjured himself. Last, please research when Bush blamed Clinton for the recession he inherited. Oh, then 9/11 (Clinton and staff couldn’t pull the trigger on Osama), and finally Katrina. The economy was fine till ’07, then the Fannie Mae, Freddie crap hit the fan. WHO regulated the banking/commerce when that went down? )see Frank["there's no crisis at Fannie Mae"] and Dodd). Your selective recall, revisionist history and partisan-driven interpretation of facts and events is typical of pseudo-intellectual liberals as yoourself.

          • Brad

            Good reply, Bob. Unfortunately, it’s probably ineffective because in dealing with a lib, you committed the #1 faux pax…you used facts. ;)

        • Mack

          YOU are another Liberal fool, and Hypocrit. The GOP, stood back and let you commie Idiots try your hand on radio. Your Commie Crony in the White House (for next 24 mts only)doesn’t want to allow “free speech”, Unless it’s you Looney Liberals, Brown Nosing him!

          • eddie47d

            5 lines of propaganda.

      • WInks

        Why shouldn’t we Blame Bush for the problems he caused? Just because Obama has not been successful at solving the problem yet does not mean that the blame somehow magically transfers to him!

        We all know that the TERRORISTS are really to blame here, so continuing this banter about how much we hate Obama only serves to provide the TERRORISTS aid and comfort.

        • Carole Howell

          WInks
          And it is very distracting and very dividing. A house divided will fall.

        • Bob

          Have you not heard of Congress? Conservatives do not just blame the POTUS, we also blame the Senate and House and we turn out to expel them office. Liberals blame Bush for EVERYTHING that goes all wrong and their elected representaives are blameless. Know you nothing of the checks and balances system where Congress holds the pursestrings? When the ’08 elections put the dems in power in Congress, that’s when the economy went downhill. How amny democrats voted for the Patriot Act? How many democrats voted for the Patriot Act? Answer the question!!!!!! Why do libs hold Bush responsible but NOT the Dems who voted for it? Well, I’m waiting…….

          • William

            Actually, about economy – Under Clinton everything was great, budget surplus, unemployment under 5%, gas price under 2 bucks. What Bus administration was doing – lower taxes, mostly for reach, especially
            taxes on dividends, practically kill taxes on money, brought from outside borders, etc. Also made some changes on Bank system, allowing banks to made all this loans, that actually created financial crisis.
            Then billions bailouts to banks. All of this CREATED that crisis that Obama had to handle. For less then two years crisis progress first slowed down then revered. We are talking now about recovery.
            Blame Obama for economy is stupid. And I did not mention a word about politics.

          • Kinetic1

            Bob,
            I Do hold Dems responsible for voting for the Patriot Act. I know many were just too cowardly to stand up to the media and say that they are all for security, but not at this cost. I have contacted many of them and pleaded with them not to vote to re-up the legislation, but I’m only one person.

            As for Bush, read again what I have said. I blame Bush for the war in Iraq, and for the appointments he made. I blame his ADMINISTRATION for much more. You can always say that blaming one is the same as blaming the other, but that’s not always the case. The president can’t hold the hands of everyone who works for him. He chooses them based on what he expects they will do, so I can always blame him for bad judgement, but not directly for their actions, unless he approved them first. So water boarding is all Bush. Katrina, not so much Bush as “Brownie” and Chertoff.

        • JC

          Au Contraire Mr. Winks…the Kenyan has been very successful…at everything he has set out to do … in order to bring down America.

      • JC

        Here we go again with the useless mental masturbation of the “left / right blame game”. Fact is boys and girls it’s both sides. The Bush Criminal Clan and the Kenyan One Worlder’s are equally as Cancer to a free nation.
        Time to clean house in a serious, decisive and permanent way.
        Back to the Constitution!

        • WInks

          JC, Last I checked, the Constitution provides that the person who receives the most electoral votes in a presidential election is the Ppresident, not a “Kenyan One Worlder.” Perhaps you should show some respect.

          • JC

            I will never accept the Kenyan as my President. He refuses to come clean about his background which tells me he has much to hide.
            He is an imposter and a fraud who’s most notable qualifications for political office are “Community Organizer”….a Communist.
            May he rot.

          • WInks

            JC, you are spewing lies. The Supreme Court just ruled AGAIN on this birth certificate issue. Obama was born in Hawaii. His mother’s passport even shows that she was in the US at the time of his birth, and most babies need to be born in the same country as their mom – you know, the whole umbilical cord thing? What proof would satisfy you? And a communist…please. I guess state Senator and Federal Senator are not qualifications? Better a part time governor who can’t finish a term?? You need a civics class.

          • Snitch-In-Time

            Wlnk again shows why idiot leftists cannot and should not be taken seriously. The Constitution (A document Wlnk is either too lazy to read or more likely too stupid to understand) also sets age and citizenship requirements for the office. If Wlink cannot get these basic constitutional requirements straight he really need to sit down and shut up since he is spewing left wing playbook idiocy and not contributing substance to the discussion of the day.

            Now let’s address the “respect” gap. We could offer as much respect for the Corrupt Despot as the left offers to any president more conservative than Joseph Stalin but if we did so we would get unwanted attention from the despotism. (Remember the “Snipers Wanted” incident where some commie-lib in the media put those words over Bush’s picture? Anyone who tried that with the Corrupt Kenyan Despot would be arrested.) The very idea that the loony-left is now using facile “love it or leave it” and “respect the president” arguments is the zenith of both imbecility and hypocrisy. I take nothing the loony left say seriously as adding to the discussion but consider it prima facia evidence of the left’s wicked, traitorous and tyrannical impulses.

          • JC

            Well Winks…they convinced YOU anyway. LOL
            The guy is an imposter.

          • http://eddie47d@gmail.com eddie47d

            The loony right is coming across loud and clear and is outpacing the loony left by a long shot! I don’t think any President now and in the future will be getting much respect. The lines have been drawn with all the venomous hatred and the slander will continue no matter who gets elected.

          • JC

            Oh come on eddie…as always you “have” to speak in EXTREMES.
            Why are you so unable to see that even the mainstream is sick to death of business as usual? And we are. We’ve been lied to and manipulated by both sides for so long now that having any respect for the system as we know it, has to mean you’ve been living in a bubble.
            I don`t take sides here in the sense that America isn`t America anymore and no amount of finger pointing is going to change that.
            It`s time to clean house on both sides of the aisle. It`s time to get corporations out of government and governbment out of corporations.
            It`s time we stopped paying half the planet to be our friends. It`s time we reassert our sovereignty as a nation and as individuals.

      • http://Ranger2 Ranger W W 2

        SSGDave, you think it’s only the liberals that blame Bush? Until his second term I was a Republican conservative,you can say that I’m a slow learner, I should have learned from his daddy when he was President, where he stated, “Out of these troubled times, our fifth objective-a New World Order-can emerge..We are now in sight of a United
        Nations that performs as “envisioned”by it’s founders.”What Alger Hiss
        and the communist “founders envisioned”was the end of the independence
        of the United States. I remember young Bush telling his aide,”to stop
        shoving the Constitution in my face, it’s just a G–D–piece of paper.
        I’m slow,but even at 86 you can keep learning.

        • Carole Howell

          Ranger W W 2,

          Good for you. And I am sure you will agree until we get publicly financed elections, we will continue to have immense problems. You are right the GOP ain’t what she used to be, but neither are the Democrats. It is very disappointing.

        • http://none Mike

          Ranger, Thank you for your service. And I might add this. If more people listend to the wisdoms of your generation we might all be better off today.What our goverment has become over the last 10 years is a shadow of what it once was.We now write laws that even the writers dont understand. The blame us first mentality has creeped into both sides of the isle. We no longer have statesmen we have the politburio. We either have to agree with them or we are un-american(both sides have used this line)We no longer have debates but shouting contest. Both sides of the isle have for sale(for hire)signs up and hands out.No its high time for a housecleaning in both parties. Lets get some statesmen back in washington. Not finger in the wind what is this going to do for my re=election bid politicans. Mike L.

      • Kinetic1

        SSGDave,
        I didn’t say “blame Bush”, I said quit listening to his advisors. After all, Chertoff was Bush’s head of Homeland Security, and was responsible for many of the procedures we suffer through today. I also pointed out that Mr. Chertoff, as head of the Chertoff Group stands to make a few bucks off the scanners he so whole heartedly recommends. Chertoff is also on the board of a company called CLEAR, and as the Denver Westword reports;

        “Billing itself as the “original Registered Traveler program,” CLEAR uses a biometric-based secure ID procedure — it scans its members eyeballs and records fingerprints — to get passengers through the initial document check. After that, they still must go through TSA security — which, increasingly, includes the full-body scan Chertoff has touted for years.

        And Chertoff, who also runs Chertoff Group, a security consulting agency, has come under fire for representing a company that makes the machines responsible for executing the full-body scans he recommends. Scans that you’ll still be subject to, even if you pay $179 for a CLEAR membership.”

        Sounds like a reputable guy, right? So, am I blaming Bush for giving us these scanners? No. Did I imply that his administration just keeps on giving? Oh yeah! Sort of like Herpes.

        • Warrior

          So, Bush is still pulling the strings. Why that explains everything.

          • Kinetic1

            Warrior,
            If you read with bias, you perceive bias. I said NOTHING about Bush pulling the strings. Truth is, given his failures in the private world, don’t think he knows how to pull the strings. What I’m saying is that the people he put in positions of authority are not people we want to ask for advise. They don’t need Bush to tell them what bad advice to give, they’re “experts” in their fields. But you just keep running with that old “Liberals blame Bush for everything” bit if it makes you feel like one of the gang.

        • Michael J.

          Kinetic1,
          Bush used the Patriot Act to fight foreign terrorist, Obama has turned the Patriot Act inwards to focus on our own citizenry.

          The following is not the Department of Homeland Security nor the Patriot Act that George W. Bush had envisioned, but is instead a textbook example of the fundamental transformation of a plan to secure the homeland and prevent future acts of foreign terrorism by one president, into a plot to demonize returning war veterans and flag waving American patriots by his successor.

          First, the Secretary of Homeland Security, Janet Napolitano, ordered ICE (Immigration & Customs Enforcement) to stop workplace raids. Raids which located, identified and deported illegal aliens and provided operational intelligance which helped indentify the “trafficking” routes used by those who transport not just illegal aliens, but sex slaves, drugs, weapons and potential terrorists into the United States.

          Then the good Secretary and the Obama Administration announced a change in the samantics of Obama Government Speak. The term “War on Terror” was abandoned for the term “Over Seas Contingency Operation”. In fact, Administration employees were instructed to discontinue using the terms “terror” or “terrorists” in public. This would appear to be just a matter of semantics, until now. Apparently the use of the term “Terror” and “terrorists” is being reserved for use in conjunction with “Right Wing Extremist”. A “Right Wing Extremist” is anyone who served in the US Military, believes in gun ownership rights, opposes abortion, opposes NAFTA or illegal immigration or believes in many of the other ‘Freedoms” guaranteed by the Constitution. Particluarly offensive is the continued reference to those that oppose abortion as being “White Supremacists”. In Napolitano’s world, if you believe “smaller government” is better than “bigger government” you are a right wing extremists.

          A new report from Secretary Napolitano categorizes returning Military Veterans and those individuals that are proponents of “States Rights” or those that oppose the growth of the Federal Government as “Right Wing Extremists”.

          As to Veternas and the Constitutional Right to bare arms the report also states, “The possible passage of new restrictions on firearms and the return of military veterans facing significant challenges reintegrating into their communities could lead to the potential emergence of terrorist groups or lone wolf extremists capable of carrying out violent attacks.”

          The Secretary of Homeland Security believes it is OK to cast this type of aspersion on the reputation of thoses that have sacrifriced for our Country. The defamation of returning American Service Personnel in this manner clearly exposes the disdain both Napolitano and the Obama Administration hold for our Troops. The Obama Adminstrationm also proposed having the Troops pay for their service related medical care with private insurance. This is just another off-shoot of the liberal anti-military philosophy so common in the 1970s.

          Next the report states, “Returning veterans possess combat skills and experience that are attractive to rightwing extremists. DHS/I&A is concerned that rightwing extremists will attempt to recruit and radicalize returning veterans in order to
          boost their violent capabilities.”

          The report goes on to say, “Disgruntled Military Veterans: assesses that rightwing extremists will attempt to recruit and
          radicalize returning veterans in order to exploit their skills and knowledge derived from military training and combat. These skills and knowledge have the potential to boost the capabilities of extremists—including lone wolves or small terrorist cells—to carry out violence. The willingness of a small percentage of military personnel to join extremist groups during the 1990s because they were disgruntled, disillusioned, or suffering from the psychological effects of war is being replicated today.” “After Operation Desert Shield/Storm in 1990-1991, some returning military veterans—including Timothy McVeigh—joined or associated with rightwing extremist groups.”

          “A prominent civil rights organization reported in 2006 that “large numbers of potentially violent neo-Nazis, skinheads, and other white supremacists are now learning the art of warfare in the [U.S.] armed forces.” What Civil Rights organization? ACORN?

          Where is the proof? How dare Napolitano compare all US Mititary personnel to McVeigh.

          Next the report turns to a favorite target of the “Left Wing Extremists” like Napolitano, legal gun ownership, when the report states, “Proposed imposition of firearms restrictions and weapons bans likely would attract new members into the ranks of rightwing extremist groups, as well as potentially spur some of them to begin planning and training for violence against the government. The high volume of purchases and stockpiling of weapons and ammunition by rightwing extremists in anticipation of restrictions and bans in some parts of the country continue to be a primary concern to law enforcement.” What law enforcement orgainzations are those? My local Sheriffs Department encourages citizens to legally own and register weapons.

          Is Secretary Napolitano a facist. The Supreme Court of the United states has reconfirmed the right of Americans to own firearms.

          “a number of economic and political factors are driving a resurgence in rightwing extremist recruitment and radicalization activity” …. “the threat posed by lone wolves and small terrorist cells is more pronounced than in past years.”

          Is my local VFW meeting a “terrorist cell”? There are a lot of highly trained people in attendance, most own guns, slightly fewer attend church than own guns, I’d bet at least half oppose abortion. They all seem to be in favor of enforcing the immigration laws that are on the books. Somebody better call Homeland Security.

          “Rightwing extremist chatter on the Internet continues to focus on the economy, the perceived loss of U.S. jobs in the manufacturing and construction sectors and home foreclosures.”

          Oh my gosh, what does “perceived loss of U.S. jobs” mean. Isn’t the unemployment rate a shade below 10%. My liberal democratic friends are talking about the economy too ….. and how they will vote next time around now that Obama’s “plans” didn’t work ….. are these long time Democrats on the verge of becoming “right wing extremists”.

          “Many rightwing extremists are antagonistic toward the current presidential administration and its perceived stance on a range of issues, including immigration and citizenship, the expansion of social programs to minorities, and restrictions on firearms ownership and use.”

          Apparently, anyone who has a different point of view than the Administration is an “extremist”.

          Nazi Germany and the Gestapo come to mind …..

          “Paralleling the current national climate, rightwing extremists during the 1990s exploited a variety of social issues and political themes to increase group visibility and recruit new members. Prominent among these themes were the militia movement’s opposition to gun control efforts, criticism of free trade agreements (particularly those with Mexico), and highlighting perceived government infringement on civil liberties as well as white supremacists’ longstanding exploitation of social issues such as abortion“.

          Can you believe this, if you oppose unconsitutional gun control laws, if you are critical of NAFTA, if you are in favor of civil liberties, you are a “Right Wing Extremist”. If you are Pro-Life you are not only an extremist but a “white supremacist” as well. Wow, if you happen to be a Black Christian who opposes abortion, you now qualify as a “White Supremacist”. Only in America as scene through the eyes of the Obama Administration.

          “Historically, domestic rightwing extremists have feared, predicted, and anticipated a cataclysmic economic collapse in the United States” … “These teachings also have been linked with the radicalization of domestic extremist individuals and groups in the past, such as violent Christian Identity organizations and extremist members of the militia movement.”

          Wow, if you warn that historical precedent indicates that the Obama Economic Recovery plan will fail, if you warned that the Housing Bubble, like the inetrnet bubble, would “pop”, you are an extremist and this qualifies you to become a member of a “violent Christian Identity organization” like the Klu-Klux-Klan. Never mind that thousands of Economists oppose the Obama Plans on non ideologic grounds, the plan is simply bad economics – but now those Economists are hateful, Right Wing Extremists who are on the verge of becoming domestic terrorists.

          “Over the past five years, various rightwing extremists, including militias and white supremacists, have adopted the immigration issue as a call to action, rallying point, and recruiting tool. Debates over appropriate immigration levels and enforcement policy generally fall within the realm of protected political speech under the First Amendment, but in some cases, anti-immigration or strident pro-enforcement fervor has been directed against specific groups and has the potential to turn violent.”

          Wow, now law abiding American Citizens who call for the enforcement of existing immigration laws are “extremists” and “white supremacists”. Hispanic members of my Community and Church who share my views on immigration will be shocked by this claim. Are we about to become violent, Right Wing Extremists, who will act violently to promote White Supremacy. Terrorists one and all. Gee and I forgot, many of us are Pro-Life too. Call out the National Guard – oopps – I suppose we have to watch the Guard too.

          “Many rightwing extremist groups perceive recent gun control legislation as a threat to their right to bare arms and in response have increased weapons and ammunition stockpiling, as well as renewed participation in paramilitary training exercises.”

          Exactly what gun control legislation are they talking about? This is simply left wing paranoia. Public support for additional gun control measures is at it lowest levels in 50 years. At present, 66% of the country opposes proposed bans on hand gun ownership. Gee, this makes for a lot of potential terrorists doesn’t it.

          Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Belief, Freedom of Religion, Freedom to Bare Arms, is this the mantra of new “Terroistist”, is this the new “Terrorism” Homeland Security is guarding against.

          “When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny.” Thomas Jefferson. “The Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms.” Samuel Adams

          House Republican Leader John Boehner issued this statement, “Washington, Apr 15 – House Republican Leader John Boehner (R-OH) issued the following statement on a Department of Homeland Security report that characterizes veterans returning home from Iraq and Afghanistan as vulnerable for recruitment into “terrorist groups”:“To characterize men and women returning home after defending our country as potential terrorists is offensive and unacceptable. The Department of Homeland Security owes our veterans an apology.“Furthermore, the Secretary of Homeland Security owes the American people an explanation for why she has abandoned using the term ‘terrorist’ to describe those, such as al Qaeda, who are plotting overseas to kill innocent Americans, while her own Department is using the same term to describe American citizens who disagree with the direction Washington Democrats are taking our nation. Everyone agrees that the Department should be focused on protecting America, but using such broad-based generalizations about the American people is simply outrageous.”

          It is clear to me that Bush’s idea of homeland security via the Patriot Act, and Obama’s version are as different as apples and oranges.

          • Kinetic1

            I’d reply to your post piece by piece, but it’s just too darn rambling. I get it though, you think Obama is out to get us and Bush was out to save us. You present a report by the Secretary of Homeland Security as “proof” of your assertion. Well, here’s a little dose of reality to help you sleep.

            from a 2005 article about the Patriot act.

            “Senate Judiciary Chairman Arlen Specter, R-Pa., announced that the negotiating committee had reached an agreement that would extend for four years two of the Patriot Act’s most controversial provisions — authorizing roving wiretaps and permitting secret warrants for books, records and other items from businesses, hospitals and organizations such as libraries. ”

            Yep, Bush only concerned himself with terrorists.

            “Also to be extended for four years are standards for monitoring “lone wolf” terrorists who may be operating independent of a foreign agent or power. While not part of the Patriot Act, officials considered that along with the Patriot Act provisions.”

            What’s this? “Lone Wolfs”? No, that’s an Obama thing.

            “Remember, section 802 is specifically aimed at US citizens and announces any crime as “domestic terrorism”. Citizens can be held without a trial as “Enemy Combatants”. Let us recap just some of the horror stories that misuse of the Patriot Act has produced, As you will see these are not isolated incidents, this is common practice.

            Homeland Security Agents Visit Toy Store

            When Homeland Security agents arrived at the Pufferbelly Toys store, the lead agent asked owner Stephanie Cox whether she carried a toy called the Magic Cube, which he said was an illegal copy of the Rubik’s Cube, one of the most popular toys of all time. Invoking the Patriot Act, he told her to remove the Magic Cube from her shelves, and he watched to make sure she complied.

            Patriot Act Being Used to Harass BlackBoxVoting.org website

            Activist Bev Harris was told not to reveal to anyone the fact that she and her website were being investigated under the Patriot Act. It is illegal for a government agency to go in and demand the list of all the members of a group. And you can’t investigate leaks to journalists by going in and grabbing the reporter’s computer.

            Secret Service Questions Students

            Two students who were interrogated by the Secret Service following remarks the teenagers made about the President during a class discussion. The discussion was about the war in Iraq and while the exact wording is up for debate, the teacher didn’t consider it mere criticism, but a direct threat and she called the Secret Service.

            Using The Patriot Act To Target Patriots

            The Patriot Act has been used to obtain search warrants against doctors and scientists who had been warning about the threat of bioterrorism in the U.S.”

            That’s enough. Not nearly the end of a list of abuses during the Bush years, but enough for now. It goes to show you that there is noting new going on here. How do you think the Napolitano report got information about militia groups recruiting returning soldiers after the first gulf war? Did it occur to you that it was an issue even back then? Just because you never heard about the reports doesn’t mean they weren’t being compiled.

            I didn’t like the “Patriot Act” when Bush pushed it through and don’t like the “Patriot Act” now. The words and actions of Secretary Napolitano are indeed troubling, but she is hardly the first to utter them. I don’t like where she is going, but I have little doubt that Mr. Chertoff, the man behind the airport scanners would have done anything less. No, what we are seeing now was begun long ago by Mr. Chertoff, and the fact that you and Mr. Bohner misrepresented a Homeland Security report to make it sound like a “New World Order” piece does not make it any better or worse in my eyes, but only adds to my conviction that post 9/11 Conservative America is a sad, frightened place, filled with people who cling to their guns and false bravado while we waste Trillions of dollars on useless wars and false safety protocols. It’s just what terrorists hope for.

          • Michael J.

            Kenetic1,
            Why not be truthful, you won’t reply to my post piece by piece because the contents are irrefutable.
            And if you think returning vets are being recruited, give examples besides McVeigh. Using a lone psycho like Mcveigh to characterize all returning vets is about like accusing all liberal, Obama worshipping college professors of being cold blooded mass murderers just because Amy Bishop is one.
            I stand by my comments, this is not the same Department of Homeland Security or Patriot Act presided over by George W. Bush.

          • Michael J.

            Kenetic1,
            By the way, how dare you mention Arlen Spector’s Name with an “R” in front of it. As far as I am concerned Spector is a political whore and opportunist whose ideology is as phoney as the currency printed by the Treasury (i.e. it’s backed by nothing). Everything Spector has signed all the way back to the Warren Commission should be expunged or considered null and void. All record of his exsistence should be chiseled from historical archives like was done to Pharoah Akhenaten.

      • herman richardson

        I say blame bush and all the other criminals that are in the offices then AND now. How long is it going to take before we wake up?? I for one refuse to fly, not because of the so called terrorists,because of all the insanity that continues to unfold in our airports, our schools, our court houses, but no one cares, long as they get their CHECK, who do we blame for making Americans a bunch of lazy entitlement seeking bums.

    • http://sheffieldent.com Bud Dowdey

      A letter to all concerned especially my Representatives in the United States Senate and Congress.

      I am a small business man located in Wilmington, NC and I would like to make the following comment as it relates directly to the Government TSA personnel and their superiors.

      There seems to be a lot of discussion about how the TSA operates and the rules and regulations they have in place today. I am the first to agree that airport security is one of our greatest challenges and should be taken very seriously. I also believe that the TSA is being run by a bunch of incompetents who should be taken behind the barn and whipped.

      Can you imagine taking your teenage daughter and wife on a vacation and it all starts with a full body pat down at the airport of departure! Now I can assure you that if a TSA agent runs his hand up my wife or daughter’s skirt he or she will missing a few teeth following this exercise. Of course I would be thrown in jail and have to defend my actions to a court of law which is operated for the most part by judges who fail to understand the basic laws granted by our Constitution which very plainly states our rights and freedoms. This is what our laws are based on and yet it is being replaced by a group of morons who seek to change what is our inalienable rights granted under this simple piece of paper.

      MY POINT: With the technology we have in place today a simple and optional ID could provide protection against such arcane practices.

      1. Frequent Flyers, Families, Flight Crews and all of the folks who fly on a regular basis or anyone who wants a Federal ID should be able to go to the local FBI office and apply for an international flight ID. (Background check, criminal check and in essence a profile of your history)
      2. It would consist of a recent Photo, a hologram of the United States Eagle with IN GOD WE TRUST on the face of it, An embedded Codex, and last but not least a PALM Print (Taken by the FBI Office where the ID was prepared).
      3. These prints could be scanned by a simple scanner at the airport and the results could take only a few seconds to obtain data from the databank (not a 500,000 full body scanner). God help the agencies who cannot understand this process.
      4. This would eliminate thousands of TSA employees and more.
      5. Then we should hire the Israeli security teams to evaluate our International airports for perimeter airport security and how to profile potential terrorists entering the airports. How many El Al planes have been hijacked!
      6. Political correctness has no place in United States Security!

      Bud Dowdey
      North Carolina

      • THINK ABOUT IT

        Body searches are performed by the same sex agent so there will not be “his hand” going up your wife or daughters skirts.

        • Wanda Murline

          His hand, her hand, makes no difference. The Constitution is supposed to protect us from illegal searches and seizures. Even a criminal before the search, the law had better have “probable cause” to search, and the criminal has the right to a miranda, a call to his attorney, before he is searched and to handcuff someone to a chair as these people have done to innocent people, a warrant. Wake up America, this is a test to see just how far Big Brother can go before you say “stop this insanity”. The man with the urine bag should sue, the girl that got hancuffed should sue, and if I were to fly and refused the pat down, if they tried to issue me a fine for just trying to leave … then they would get sued…not just the TSA, the airports, Janet Napoleon, the TSA manager, the DOJ…it is only a matter of time before you have law suits out the anal orifice and justified each and every one of them. This is ridiculous and is being done only for the sale of the scanners to which some in congress are making millions of dollars. Enough is Enough. Quit flying if at all possible, the airports don’t have to have TSA there, so if enough people stop flying, their pocket books will start hurting and the airlines themselves will send TSA packing.

          • WInks

            The Constitution does not guarantee your passage on an airplane, so if you do not wish to succomb to a search, you have the option NOT to enter an airport. On the other hand, the Constitution does guarantee me the right to LIFE. In fact, I think that is the first right it guarantees. So, if a little pat down is what is needed to help guarantee I get to continue living, it is not a big deal. What are all of you so afraid of? TSA might see your small peenie??

          • Robin from Arcadia, IN

            Wanda… I could not agree more! The only reason these scanners are now in our airports is somebody knows somebody in Washington who was big enough to get these scanners purchased and placed. I am wanting to know what the Muslim women do? Do they allow the scanners to ‘scan them’ or do they opt for the pat down? My daughter is flying for the first time over Christmas break. If the Muslim women are not subjected to these conditions, I want to know where I can buy a burka. My daughter will become Muslim for the trip there and the trip home!

          • thinking

            TSA might see your small peenie??

            Why should they get to gloat over someone elses boby parts? The problem is the rights of the people. You may be fine with being treated as a terrorist, but many are not. This is only part of big brother in our lifes. The equipment is faulty and can be cheated very easily. They will want to have these at bus and train stations, malls, schools, sporting events, you name it. Many people were not happy with Bush pushing the “Patriot Act”. Watch the media, they condone and encourage this government behavier. They hardly report the anger of people that stand against this. Blaming Clinton, or Bush or Kennedy do not resolve thses issues. Remember what the government can do to your brother, they will someday do to you. You know they are working on a new and improved scanner that will be replacing these someday…

        • Vincent

          Unless of course the same sex person groping your daughter and wife prefers the same sex then it is a crime.

          • WInks

            Ah, Vincent, your homophobia is dripping out. How ugly. And, no, it would not be a crime.

          • JC

            Hey everybody! It’s a new Socialist Troll here toi trot out the same tired old Socialist Propoganda. Welcome Winks…we always enjoy new targets around here.
            Go ahead, start spitting out the same old crap. Homophobic huh?
            Well why don’t you suggest that the people involved might be of different ethnicity so you can froth at the mouth and yell `Racist`too.
            You people are truly disgusting…but that`s entertainment! LOL :)

          • Centurion

            NO! Its a crime no matter the sex or preferences of the culprit. As an example read Virginia law:

            § 18.2-67.3. Aggravated sexual battery; penalty.
            A. An accused shall be guilty of aggravated sexual battery if he or she sexually abuses the complaining witness, and
            1. The complaining witness is less than 13 years of age, or
            2. The act is accomplished through the use of the complaining witness’s mental incapacity or physical helplessness, or
            3. The offense is committed by a parent, step-parent, grandparent, or step-grandparent and the complaining witness is at least 13 but less than 18 years of age, or
            4. The act is accomplished against the will of the complaining witness by force, threat or intimidation, and
            a. The complaining witness is at least 13 but less than 15 years of age, or
            b. The accused causes serious bodily or mental injury to the complaining witness, or
            c. The accused uses or threatens to use a dangerous weapon.
            B. Aggravated sexual battery is a felony punishable by confinement in a state correctional facility for a term of not less than one nor more than 20 years and by a fine of not more than $100,000.
            (1981, c. 397; 1993, c. 590; 2004, c. 843; 2005, cc. 185, 406.)

            So, if your son or daughter under the age of 18 is groped by the TSA agent against his or her will and with intimidation, the act is punishable by 20 years in prison.

            As for us adults, its simple Sexual Battery and a misdemeanor, but a crime none the less.

            As for the scanners, other provisions make it a crime to take images that produce nude images of a person against their will. It is a further crime to transmit that image to any other person (such as the TSA guy in the next room), there are enhanced penalties if any computer is used int he process and its even a crime for you to allow the image to be taken!

            The TSA cannot simply overturn the laws of the state. Even the noxious Patriot Act doesn’t pretend to overturn state laws related to sexual abuse.

          • Snitch-In-Time

            Wlink is probably one of the typical and oh-so dreary multiple personality disorder liberals posting under one of his/her/its many nom de plumes. He/she/it is probably another reprobate sodomite attempting to promote his/her/its particular species of wickedness and moral depravity. Since he/she/it speedily retreated into the “your a homophobe!!!!” defense this is the most likely state of things. If this is so, I would expect Wlink to become increasingly shrill and irrational since those who act immorally eventually surrender their capacity for reason.

          • Kinetic1

            Oh, Snitch, is that what you’ve been working on with your therapist? It’s a funny thing, but the people who are most vocal about their moral objection to alternative lifestyles are often guilty of same. Just look at the Republicans who’ve been outed over the last decade.

        • Bob Wire

          in addition ~~ pat downs were a second option to the electronic scanner while weekend results tells us, few people preferred the pat-down option.

          did you hear that? ~ you are being offered security “options”

          as a independent business man of 40 years myself and having wives a daughters that I’d quickly break someone’s neck over.

          I’d say, ride horses ~ and keep a tradition alive.

        • Snitch-In-Time

          What part of presumption of innocence and secure in your effects from unreasonable search and seizure do you not understand? If you cannot contribute anything but the spouting of liberal playbook idiocy, I suggest you sit down and shut up. Listing to your imbecility is making my ears bleed.

          • Bob Wire

            I suggest you put a sock in it, with you feeble name calling ~ you want to get on the damn plane with everyone else,~ submit to the screening protocol or take a bus.

            As long as the threat exist and you want to travel by air. I don’t like it either buddy, ~ but you can rattle your hocks on down the road all by yourself.

            Illegal search a seizure my ass.

            Buy your own plane!

          • Bob Wire

            your bleeding alright, like a tied up goat

          • HFlashman

            Snitch…are you on record as opposing holding ‘suspected terrorists’ without trial or being charged…heck, ven being known they are held? Are you for holding civilian trials for the Gitmo detainees? Were you opposed to Bush’s implementation of torture as a state approved interrogation technique? Are you for or against the feds being able to monitor your cell phone, emails? Are you for having to carry ID where ever you go to “prove” you are a citizen or legally in this country?

            Such is your presumption of innocence. Are you for or against it now that it’s being tossed straight in your face? Let me guess…when you’re affected, you’re screaming about it. When it happens to others, you’re Ok with trampling on it. Correct?

      • HFlashman

        Easy fix? Have everyone..including TSA employees and all government workers…go through the same procedures. Have it taped to ensure “quality control” that it’s the same as they put the traveller through. That would change it real fast.

        Then again, as my GF puts it … “let them ‘see” me, then carry that image home to the spouse knowing they can’t have this quality and have to settle for fat hamburger”

      • OldFart

        Hey Bud, thanks for restoring my faith in the American voting public. Your comments (a rational and common sense approach) are warmly received, as I had given up all hope that there was actually intelligent life out there.

        Hopefully,(if there is any hope) November 2010 was the 1st installment of restoring some sanity and common sense to our government but, we need to continue the process in November 2012, 2014 and so on…. However long that takes!

        Our only hope in this country is to seek out and elect people who still remember that we have a Constitution and It, not Congress, not the President and not the Supreme Court is the true law of the land.

        We have to get back there somehow and restore the “greatest nation” on the planet and the only hope for the free world!

      • Darlene Jackson

        Hey Mr. Dowdey, think maybe you missed your calling. You have some wonderful ideas that need to be implemented.

      • http://none Mike

        Bud, While I agree with you in principle there is allways the chance the I.D thing can be carried too far. The old soviet union had travel passes. They eventually used thoes to restrict travel within the borders as well as outside of them. No there are simple things that can be done at airports to secure them. Dogs and bomb detecting devices could be used in tandem to stop explosives of all types from entering planes. Armed air marshells on flights could stop the loony crowd with box cutters in their tracks. 45 said once you had to be a good shot to be an air marshell. But bullet technologies have come to the point where its almost a moot point whether or not your a good shot.No we have to stop this insanity at the airports before they get a foothold in all our transportation needs. Mike L.

        • http://Alaska Wild Bill

          Mike,
          The reason that air marshalls are required to be excellent marksmen is that they have to use a lower velocity bullet and hit the bad guy dead center of body mass (breastbone)to prevent the bullet from exiting the bad guys body and puncturing the skin of the airframe.Modern aircraft,flying at altitudes are,by weight limitations,nothing more than a pressurized aluminum can that utilizes the internal cabin pressure as an integral part of the strength of the airframe.When you squeeze an unopened beer can it resists the external pressure,but pop the top and all structural integrity is gone.
          Wild Bill
          Alaska

          • http://none Mike

            Bill, Well maby we could go with High amprage tazer type guns but they have a shorter range.Bithmius bullets have been tested and dont seem to have the punch for penatrating the shells of an airplane. But the passthrough factor would have to be taken into account for the other passengers safty.Mike L.

      • herman richardson

        What ??? This country has a constitution???

    • Darlene Jackson

      Everything the government comes up with for “our own good” ends up being twisted and corrupt. When I was in high school many, many years ago, we had to read a book titled, “Animal Farm”,it was about life in a socialistic society…..that’s exactly how our government has become. :(

      • Eric Bischoff

        One subtle but important distinction. Orwell was a Democratic Socialist and this book was directed against Stalin and the USSR.

        • Darlene Jackson

          Tomato, tumoto…socialism is socialism no matter how candy-coded it is. Just ‘cuz it looks/sounds good, doesn’t mean it is.

        • JC

          Orwell was a Democratic Socialist…says who?

        • Carole Howell

          Eric,
          She did not get that.

        • Michael J.

          Eric Bischoff,
          Orwell and Stalin were both Communist.
          Animal Farm portrays corrupt leadership as the flaw in revolution and not the act of revolution itself. Kind of like George Soros recent statement, “If Obama can’t make my dreams come true, I’ll get someone else” paraphrasing, of course.

    • John Hyland, Appleton, WI

      Joe Biden, your extreme liberal Vice-President, devised and wrote the Patriot Act in 1996. Don’t blame Bush or Conservatives. They all did it!

      • TIME

        John,
        Your 100% right, but when dealing with stupids – well stupids just can’t get to the TRUTH, why? We come back to they are STUPIDS.

        Or they are “paid shills,” of what I understand seems to pay quite well MM one of the Sorass outlets quote’s paid Shills hired by them get a per word, {when one looks at the amount of BS some who post here do in word value} they would be making a wad of cash per week.

        Can anyone pick out the ones I refer too. Their responce’s will be thats crazy, strange, no they want to keep that pay check rolling.

        Don’t respond to them its like tossing crap balls in the air.

    • MR MYTH

      I agree! But I believe this started way before Obama took office and it will continue long after he’s gone. (meaning served his term) Gotta be clear, don’t wanna end up in Guantanimo.

      For years it’s been one thing after another.

      It doesn’t matter who or what Party is in office. We’ve been headed toward authoritarian rule for decades. An instant implementation of a totalitarian police state wouldn’t work. I have to believe that WE THE PEOPLE would rise up against a drastic move in that direction.

      However, chipping away a little here, a little there and the next thing you know…OH! Wait a minute, we’re already there!

      Building tolerance toward questionable police and Governmental behavior has been in place for some time now. i.e. Look at the THREATENING ‘CLICK IT OR TICKET’ campaign. We’ve all seen or heard the endless ad’s on TV and radio, not to mention all the road signs and billboards. (And using OUR money to do it). It all started with the passing of the seat belt law (pushed by the Ins.Industry)in a few states and slowly grew. The hold-out states were systematically coerced into passing the law or lose billions in aid from the FED.

      The REMINDER ad’s started out as just friendly reminders of the safty of wearing seat belts,(as if we didn’t already know). If you think back you can see how they evolved into out-right threats. Remember the one where a group of LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS are standing like bowling pins. All standing with FISTS on hips and very stern and grim facial expressions. The point man in a very aggressive, threatening tone saying, “We’re tired of the excuses… CLICK IT OR TICKET”. How about the radio ad. You know, the one where the kind Officer is telling US in an aggressive tone that, “We’re behind you, we’re in front of you and beside you…CLICK IT OR TICKET”. The one that really stands out, (After a FEW people complained that the ad’s were threatening and didn’t like them), is where another kind Officer is telling US that “It’s not a THREAT, it’s a promise…CLICK IT OR TICKET”. Don’t they realize that they’re Americans too? What kind of country do they want to live in? Or maybe they’re just doing as they’re told!

      Correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t they supposed to be public servants.

      Somebody please tell me! Where in AMERICA, can a SERVANT threaten the MASTERS of a household and keep there JOB? HMMMMMM!

      I’m not saying all cops feel or behave in this manner but it most certainly is an escalating trend that continues years after the fact.
      Everyone knows about the seat belt LAW. So why continue to spend millions of tax payer dollars on needless, THREATENING ad’s?

      TO BUILD PUBLIC TOLERANCE! Children grow up thinking this is how it’s suppose to be, it’s always been this way, it’s the norm.

      It’s off-subject, I know, but it seems to be a trend. Over time and all for the ‘greater good’ it’s been one thing after another and we’re all SUDDENLY wondering what happened. How did WE get to this point?

      WE THE PEOPLE have grown weak as a society. We’re ALL so wrapped-up in our own lives that we’re blind to the fact that it can happen here. Well, it can and it is and WE as individuals are taking part.

      Think about it! Who’s taking part in all this? WE ARE! All for a pay check. The Gov’t creates jobs and WE THE PEOPLE jump in line to get them and without question, do as the job description dictates.

      Gov’t employees need to start thinking and stop BLINDLY following every order or instuction thrown at them and question whether it’s legal or not. Right or wrong. Remember the Constitution and Bill of Rights. After all, they’re Americans too. What they do affects them also.

      OUR FREEDOMS are what made America great. Without them we’re no better than any other Country. WAKE UP PEOPLE!

  • Tazio2013

    Must Read from today’s Daily Bell re Fascism/Socialism:

    http://www.thedailybell.com/1563/Tibor-Machan-The-Road-to-Fascism.html

  • THINK ABOUT IT

    You yell about Obama not doing enough and when the body scanning starts you yell it is too much, just where do you stand, against everything and every issue we are facing. Everyone is not be “patted down” and just what rights does a law abiding person have, can’t we at least be safe from those who want to harm us. Perhaps if you think there is a close relationship of body scanning and water boarding you should sign up to be water boarded before you go on your next flight. Bet if you go the water boarding over body scanning your next flight will be body scanning.

    • raven13

      Obviously, you do not have any rights at all because you, unlike the rest of us, do not know what your rights are in the first place.

      • HFlashman

        Raven…one question. Do you support civilian trials …any trial at all… for those held at Gitmo and those caught and indicted for terrorism?

        Let’s talk about Rights ….

    • Darlene Jackson

      Why not use those wonderful K-9′s?? I wouldn’t mind that.

    • Radical Thinker

      Maybe you could get a body scanner and bring it to the border and scan the illegals comming into our country, O I forgot it would be against the constitution to do that.

    • JRC

      Lets all think about this, we sit here screaming and yelling about security procedures that we all consent to….yes, as soon as you buy the ticket you consent to search and pad downs…read the fine print….so, your constitutional right does not apply, you waved it by agreeing to the airlines and airports security measures the moment you buy the ticket. It is the equivalent of telling the policeman on the door …sure come on into my home, look around I have nothing to hide instead of asking him to get a search warrant.
      Moreover, the only entity that will gain from all of this are the terrorist, they sit there, laugh and look at the stupid Americans that make it possible for them to launch another attack….this also means, all those whiners are actively aiding the terrorists with they’re antics.
      One thing I know, aiding the enemy during time of war is an act of treason.

      • Darlene Jackson

        The fact that we can be fined for not allowing a pat-down or scanning is just the government’s way of making money off of the American people once more…..Shoot, maybe it will help with our huge deficit!! So not only do we get sexually assaulted by TSA agents, we also get raped by our government!

        • Christin

          Darlene,
          It’s a “cash cow” for sure… just like they do with our so-called “Justice System” when police and dirty cops arrest people and put them in jail… bonds, fines, monthly probations costs, class fees, lawyer costs… cash cow.

        • JC

          Yep! And when they feel we have been sufficiently pacified they will start doing it in Bus Staions, Train Stations on the street and eventually in your home…where no one can see…

          • Christin

            JC,
            God’s watching and he isn’t happy with the evil that permiates our lives. He will rescue us from this ever present slavery we are in.

    • Darlene Jackson

      Surfs up, dude!:)

    • Luc

      @ THINK ABOUT IT: Think about this … the scanners and pat downs DO NOTHING TO MAKE US SAFE!!! Its just SMOKE AND MIRRORS to lull you and anyone else who prefers to keep their head in the sand into a false sense of security as if the government really was doing something to protect us. If they REALLY wanted to protect us, they would do something about our borders in Arizona instead of FOOLISHLY SUING THEM for trying to protect themselves!!! The scanners DO NOT save lives when all a terrorist needs to do is mold a bomb to their body, which the scanner cannot detect. How does being patted down keep us safe when our wise and wonderful administration has made muslim women in their hijab exempt from being patted down or scanned? All the TSA agents can do with them is check their head covering. They could hide a TANK under that garment! Its the HYPOCRITICAL FARSE that’s so INFURIATING! That and people like you who are so quick to lay down your rights and swallow whatever the government wants to shove down your throats!

      • Christin

        Luc,
        Agreed.
        Just another step to loss of FREEDOMS for natural-born AMERICAN citizens.

    • ValDM

      Odumbo has certainly done quite enough. Let’s cut the crap and call what’s going on what it is: He is enabling Islamist nations to see just how far we will go to be granted our “safety”. Muslims would NEVER allow their women and children to be treated the way we are allowing our women and children to be treated with the screenings and pat-downs. We’re ripe for a take-over, and he’s just showing them how ripe we are. Think all this gaping and groping is alright? The go out right away and buy your prayer rug and join up at the nearest mosque.

  • http://None Carole

    My husband and I are multi million milers and I will not be traveling at all with these TSA rules. I have asked several airlines to stand up for the travelers…I have heard nothing back from any of them. This is such a joke on the American people. Young muslim men have done all the terroism in and to this country and I do not look like them at all, and niether do the children that are getting groped!!!! How rediculous this makes the USA look. UBL must be laughing in his cave!!!

    • HFlashman

      McVey was a “young muslim man”?

      • USMC

        When the hell did McVey get on an airplane to blow it up???

        • HFlashman

          Carole spoke about ‘young muslim men’ being the terrorists. She didn’t say anything about airplanes. But since you asked…how about Padilla? how about the infamous ‘shoe bomber’ ?

          If we would quit screwin’ around playing patsy with the oil companies and swallowing the regurgitated line of “drill baby drill’ … and actually supported energy independence instead of supporting outdated tchnology and oil based energy …. we could tell the ME to go back to camel racing and exporting sand box filler. Problem solved. But that would require the GOP giving up its money sources and the undereducated robots swallowing the GOP lies would be without a major source of anger and rantings.

      • Dagney

        What did McVEIGH have to do with ANY airport??? If you think you are going to try making a point, try to be logical. As a bomber, and as a white person, what percentage do you think his ETHNICITY poses a REAL threat to America? And, what percentage of a Muslim’s religion and ethnicity poses a threat to America? Come on, please inform us of a TRUTHFUL answer.

        People, on display for all to see, in our airports, in our White House, on the “heritage news”, and here, are the ones who justify this obvious contempt for American freedoms we have enjoyed for many years. You can now also see on display the people who want to control you and your life. They use catch phrases like “it’s for your safety” and “it’s for the children” to lie to you and steal your liberty, your livelihood, and your freedom.

        My 11 year old daughter came home and told me that her teacher said that Democrats care about the people, Republicans care about business, and the Green Party people care about the environment. On the surface, I guess it is a true statement, in a way. So, I didn’t go to the Parent-Teacher conference and take my daughter’s teacher to task, like I did her teacher last year for reading a Global Warming children’s book to them as if it was something that was real.

        My point is that people must look at the results of the supposed “caring”. Democrats bill themselves as “caring about the people”, so it is accepted truth. What good have they done for the people? Is poverty any less in this country as a percentage, though we’ve had 50 years of the Democrats “War on Poverty”? No, it is not. Are black people any less oppressed? Not by the Democrats and their own black caucus, they aren’t. Unemployment for the black population has skyrocketed under Barak Obama. You get my point. The people they really only care about is themselves and their enrichment off of other people’s productivity. In caring about business, a CONSERVATIVE, (not necessarily a Republican) will care about your FREEDOM to go about your business and provide a living for yourself, your family and products and services for others that raise our standard of living. Good? Yes. There’s nothing to argue with there, though the statist will try by advancing more LIES. Last, the Greenies. All evidence shows that the Greenies care more about the environment and animal life than they do people. How will that turn out for me, you, and them? LOL.

        So, my LONG point is that you have to be aware that Liberals/Marxists/Socialists/Statists whatever you want to call them LIE by omission all the time. Just like Flash-in-the-Pan’s statement above, he lied when he brought up McVEIGH because he wanted people to just remember that McVEIGH bombed. Ole Flash did probably catch a few people who don’t think beyond the surface, and don’t look beyond his words. And, that is how these people have made so much progress. People have been too complacent to these lies. To cut to the chase on any arguement easier, find out a person’s ideology first. Then if they are confirmed they are a lefty, just assume they lie or repeat lies without thinking if you want to save time, and life will become much easier.

        • Luc

          @ Dagney: Well said … I couldn’t agree with you more!

        • Christin

          Dagney,
          Well said…
          …and there was a third person with Mc Veigh and his friend. Witnesses and the building camera tapes that the gov quickly confiscated show an arab-looking person to have helped and probably coached the two digruntled men in how to bomb the Oklahoma building.
          That happened on Clinton’s [cover-up] watch.

    • WInks

      How long do you think it would be before they bought blue contact lenses, dyed their hair blond and lightened their skin like Michael Jackson? Then how would we spot your “young Muslim men”? The one thing all terrorists had in common is that they made efforts to look Western. Profiling in the sense you are suggesting doesn’t work.

      • JRC

        Remember, Islam is a religion and Muslim men are NOT all of Arab decent.
        I know quite a few blue eye red hair Muslims from Ireland. Profiling does NOT work if you try to nail down religious zealots…they come in all colors, shape, forms and ethnicity.

        • WInks

          My point exactly. You cannot see someone’s religion by looking at them. There are plenty of white European jihadists. Case in point, profiling does not work.

          • alpha-lemming

            Yes…. it does. Kindly explain away the success of Elal. Profiling is NOT identity politics as is the default progressive answer, but rather good intelligence. Intelligence is the furthest thing from airport security as it’s currently being practiced. Cases in point:

            9-11… Muslim men between 18 and 35 bring box-cutters on board planes, hijack them and fly them into buildings. TSA response… confiscate all pocket knives and nail-clippers.

            Muslim man between 18 and 35 tries to ignite a shoe bomb. TSA response… confiscate all butane lighters, shampoo, and tooth paste.

            Muslim man between 18 and 35 tries to detonate his underwear bomb. TSA response… feel up granny and sell scanner pictures of little Bobby to the local NAMBLA chapter.

            How will we ever prevent the next attack and stay ahead of those who wish to do us harm?? There must be something we’re missing… but what??? (sarcasm font disabled)

            The TSA is looking for “things” and NOT TERRORISTS!!! Until that changes, the bad guys will keep trying and some “thing” will eventually slip through.

          • http://mine d:-)

            My first hand experience is this: id, ticket checked,check, remove shoes, ALL metal, phones, wallet, jacket, keep boarding pass, walk through metal detector, Result= no buzzer/bell, no problem, move down collect my things and proceed to my gate. Last I checked, the metal detector is still used, before the scanner and patdowns. Fail the metal detector, then further investigation is required. The pat downs/searches happen when people are STUPID and set off the detector with stupid crap like jewelery, belts, change in pockets, what do you idiots not understand about ‘Remove ALL METAL’? the screening process isn’t difficult, unless YOUR STUPID. And for those that require wearing piercings, you must submit due to your lifestyle choice. Those with metal knees, hips, prosthetics, TELL the agent first BEFORE going through the detector, this may aleviate an issue. No, I don’t agree with the TSA thugs doing these pat down searches or the scans, but if your stupid, your going to get one.

      • S.C.Murf

        Again you are wrong! One just has to look at Israel and how they handle their security (profiling), and it works. End of discussion.

        • WInks

          Actually Murph, I am a dual Israeli citizen. I have lived in Israel and traveled back and forth from Israel to the US at least 20 times in the past 40 years. They do NOT do profiling in the sense you are suggesting. The “profiling” Israel does is called Behavioral Analytics. I learned all about it when I served in the Iseaeli army. Israel does not single out travelers based on race, religion, nationality or clothing. They do not target “young Mulsim men” for special screening. They create a behavioral profile based on answers the traveler provides to very probing questions. Most Americans would feel uncomfortable answering some of the questions Israeli security asks. Following the probing interview, during which a behavioral analysis is conducted, everyone still goes through a metal detector, but some are pulled for additional security screening and others are not even allowed to pass into the airport.

          Also, one thing can be sure: it would not matter how much of a public outrcy ensued, if the Israeli government deemed that a certain scanner or a certain search method was necessary, it would be done – period. It is dangerous to let public opinion drive security policy, so those of us whining about the pat downs should think about that.

          • Luc

            Well what’s wrong with the TSA using BEHAVIORAL ANALYTICS???? I think that’s the point that MOST PEOPLE ARE MAKING!!!! DUHHHH!!!

    • WInks

      Carol, how REDICULOUS you look. Sheesh, if you are a millionaire, can’t you spring for some spelling lessons!

      • USMC

        Get yourself some glasses – she is a multi million MILER – you know someone who flies many miles during their lifetime.

        • WInks

          Haha!!! LOL!! I thought that was another misspelling. Thanks for pointing that out. Either was REDICULOUS??

          • Snitch-In-Time

            Typical of the insulting arrogance and shoddy scholarship that issues from a moral reprobate. Shrill && irrational == Wlnk q.e.d.

          • Ruby

            BTW, it’s rIdiculous.

        • S.C.Murf

          hey USMC he only see’s what he want’s to see, true liberal

          up the hill
          airborne

          • WInks

            Last I checked, the constitution allows liberals to exist right alongside you anointed ones.

          • JC

            Last I checked…Liberals weren’t Liberals anymore…they’re Communists. And killing Commies is something Americans are good at.

          • Kinetic1

            Oh J.C. we can always count on you to play the tough as nails American. Stupid, but tough.

          • JC

            Im not playing anything, simply stating a truth. Got a problem with that? Of course you do…you`re a LibCom.

          • eddie47d

            JC; That must mean that conservatives have become blood thirsty cowards.I think you are the one taking things to the extreme.

        • WInks

          PS, I fly about 100K miles a year, and I am not sure what the big issue is. If people remember to empty their pockets, they don’t even get patted down.

          • Luc

            WRONG!!! They do … if you’re picked, emptying your pockets won’t help you.

          • ValDM

            I beg to differ with you on this point of emptying pockets. Several years ago, my family and I had to travel to attend my Mother’s funeral. The flying arrangements had been made through my sister-in-law, who was an active employee of a very large airline (passes to those of you who don’t know about being family of airline employees). We arrived in plenty of time before our flight to be inspected by security. We all went through the metal detectors fine except for my daughter. She went through no less than 4 times, and then had to be “wanded”. Guess what was causing the fracas with the metal detector? It was her SHOES. There were buckles on them. So that makes the case for removing shoes. How about broken legs/arms that require pins? Your arguments are specious at best.

      • CHIMPIMP

        Winks. The word is ridiculous, not rediculous. It is spelled the way it is supposed to be pronounced.

      • Luc

        Wlnks, can’t YOU spring for some spelling lessons??? There is no “e” in “ridiculous.”

    • JRC

      I also have traveled millions of miles for business and am still traveling several times a month back and forth between the different continents. From Asia to Africa to Europe, to Australia and South America. I do not mind the scanners. They are everywhere in this world. Moreover, the security measures in the US are really not that bad, we don’t have police in our airports in swat gear and sub machine guns patrolling and randomly stopping and searching passengers at they’re whim. We don’t have parts of our airports cordon off and everyone searched without warning, we don’t have to go through a search of all our belongings at the whim of a security person….even if we just go to the airport for a cup of coffee to sit and watch airplanes take off and landing. People in the US make a lot of fuss over nothing.

      • Luc

        No, JRC, this is not Nazi Germany … and we don’t want it to become that either. But it this continues, we will certainly be on our way. Do you suggest we wait until we get there before we start complaining?

        • HFlashman

          Luc…were you complaining before 2009?

          • JC

            Can’t speak for Luc, but I sure as hell was. The whole system has been rotten (and getting worse) sinse before I was born.

  • Rosco1776

    I have to go back and read 1984 to see how this all turns out! I’m just afraid they want us to riot so they can detain us. The US has the most per capita of prisoners of any country including the axis of evil.
    Get to know your neighbors again and get close to like minded people. Try and wake up as many people as you can. They know the baby boomers are getting old so we will be docile, guess again!

    • Darlene Jackson

      You got THAT right. They may think we’re ready for creamed-corn and a rocking chair…THINK AGAIN! We could very well be like our WWII parent’s generation. We have big shoes to fill but with the help of The ONE Almighty, we can turn things around…unless all this mess is leading up to The Second Coming, than praise God and help others come to Christ before it’s too late. I have lost friends and been labeled as a trouble-maker, racist and hater, none of that is true. But look how Jesus was treated by His own people, why should I, a Christian expect anything less, right? Jesus said there would be days like this…America has become toxic because God is being taken out of our country. A nation cannot survive without God. So while everyone contiues to throw out venom here on this blog and abroad, GOD is STILL in control and His son, Jesus will have the final say because He is judge and jury. Rosco, to You and Yours, blessings. :)

  • Norm

    The big Opt-Out looked like a big bust Wednesday as most of the Thanksgiving travelers selected for full-body scans and pat-down searches chose to submit to them rather than create havoc on one of the busiest flying days of the year. In fact, in some parts of the U.S., bad weather was shaping up as a bigger threat to travelers’ hopes of getting to their destinations on time.

    http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2010/11/24/tsa_urges_thanksgiving_airport_security_compliance/

    Right wing lunatics – 0
    sane Americans -1

  • Al Sieber

    How much longer are Americans gonna take this $hit? what happened to the Thanksgiving protest? what’s next cavity searches? we deserve to lose what freedoms we have left for allowing this. the help wanted ad for the TSA should read ” perverts and child molesters” only apply. what happened to I’m not gonna take it anymore? and only a few people protested, we are a “Nation of Sheep”.

    • Luc

      The REALITY is everyone is sitting back waiting for SOMEONE ELSE to take the risk … we want SOMEONE ELSE to suffer the consequences, while we sit safe and anonymous in the crowd … not wanting to draw attention to ourselves or be inconvenienced by choosing a different mode of travel or standing up for our own rights. The administration knows we are a people of comfort and convenience. So what if a few OTHER people have to endure the humiliation and invasion of privacy? We shake our heads and cluck our tongues and say, “SOMEONE should DO something!” as we turn back to our comfortable, convenient lifestyles … lulled into a false sense of security, until all of our rights are trampled and we’re dependent on the government to tell us when we can wipe our collective behinds.

      • Al Sieber

        Luc, thanks for answering that.

      • JC

        Nothing is likely to change until we have:
        A) A prolonged power outage.
        B) A run on the banks
        C) Official confiscating guns
        D) Trucks and men hauling people from their homes.

      • Michael J.

        Luc,
        Be careful not to under estimate the will of the conservative American patriot. Those of us you so easily characterize as, “people of comfort and convenience” are in reality poised and ready for action, while also possesed of the wisdom that nothing else would bring about that ghoulish grin on the face of the muslim manipulator as quickly as acts of violence by those on the right. Any such actions would unleash the left’s dogs of war, the Obamedia that is, in a preordained blasting of the right along the lines of the default liberal mantra. No, diplomacy must be allowed to run it’s course. The newly elected Tea Party candidates must be given time to effect change.

    • Dan az

      Hey Al
      looks like all the libs are out today must be pay day.You know there is a solution to this crap all you need to do is hand some pork in one of the lines and only check out the ones that take the other gate.Its not profiling and you would not even have to ask what your religion is.

      • Dan az

        that was hang not hand sorry

  • Santi

    This administration has no clue, better yet, all the clues. People are not going to get used to this infringement of our rights not to be illegally searched. We can say no to travel by air plane. This weekend I drove accross Texas for a 7 hour trip with 5 kids, ages ranging from 6-16. Yes we had some getting used to that, but it’s better then to see my kids get groped by some idoit. I think I would go ape-sh-t on some TSA a$$. If you know what I mean. Les–ian nopalotono or however you spell she–it name loves to get patted down beause she’s into that. Lets not fly at all and see what happens to the airlines for not interfering with how the gov. is handling this. I bet they will hire there own people to handle security. Better be quick, because they will be unionized soon.

    • Luc

      Do you really think Janet Napolitano or Pistole or Pelosi or Reid or Obama get patted down? Oh no, my friend! Like the muslim women and the rest of the political elites, they are ALL EXEMPT!

      • Bob Wire

        I don’t know if the fly common carrier or not. Pretty sure “O” doesn’t.

    • Christin

      Santi,
      I think a LOT of people said NO to TSA sexual assaults and flying this Thanksgiving. We drove also and there was more traffic than usual even for a holiday.

  • http://creationfamilyministries.org jeff

    Why does the TSA treatment remind me of the treatment Hitler “provided” to the Jews during the Holocaust? They were stripped and hearded like animals. Is not the TSA treatment (based upon a thinly-veiled excuse of “safety”) similar and one step that direction? One need only include a few other factors into the mix before we get to Holocaust conditions. For one, we already have in place the evolutionary mindset, as Hitler’s humanistic and evolutionary mindset thought the Jews to be closest to “pure ape.” We also have a national leader who likewise disdains his (supposed) countrymen and is allowing treatment of them as if they were animals (in the name of “protection”, of course). My question is: Why don’t they have the same concern at the border? The TSA treatment is but a test to see what Americans will tolerate given the right conditions.

    • Warrior

      You my friend – get it. It’s all about control.

    • Luc

      YES INDEED! You have hit the nail on the proverbial head!

    • blv54

      the southern borders wide open for all the drug dealers and illegals to come right in but on the northern border canadians are being treated terrible, check out some you tube videos on the canadian border it’s the gestapo for them, why not let them in the same as they do for mexico? are we racist against the canadians?

  • http://gmail.com david desmond

    you Americans, liberals and so called conservatives are a bunch of loosers. I’ve never read so much crap in a long time.

    • terri

      Well you sound intelligent!

    • Robin from Arcadia, IN

      David… And your point is what? Nobody forces you to read or post here. You don’t like it, take a hike!

    • Luc

      And while you’re at it, go get some spelling lessons … there’s only ONE “o” in “losers.”

  • Bob Wire

    yea, they kinda stink don’t they? whinny bunch

    • terri

      Only whiner is whinny-in-chief

  • Mike Keller

    Well I went to Kansas this spring, and it wasn’t that bad then, but I believe he’s right, just drive, take a bus, train, but do not subject your self to this kind of BS. Barbara Streisand, for the lack of a better word, WAKE UP AMERICA!

    • Conservative at Birth

      They are talking about using the same systems for trains and buses as well. What’s next, your private home or automobile?

      • Al Sieber

        Yes, Trains and Buses are next, then random searches of everything and everyone, “For Your Safety” of course. we all need to be protected you know.

        • Norm

          Don’t let the boogie man get ya!!
          Maybe you would prefer getting blown out of the sky.
          You’re probably a smoker and don’t believe in global warming.

          • Warrior

            Norm, aren’t some of the little rascal’s favorite past times setting off bombs in subways, cars and trucks? How about bombs in building basements? I think that may have happened before.

            Oh please, please big brother keep us safe. I’ll give all I have and you can do anything you want to me, just keep me safe.

            How pathetic we’ve become.

          • blv54

            norm you must be afraid of the boogie man if you think your gonna get blown out of the sky, and yes I’m a smoker and I don’t believe in global warming

          • Norm

            blv54
            I guess it $hit$ to be you!

  • DogWithoutSlippers

    Question? What has the better odds? A little old white Nun wearing a suicide vest and blowing up a plane or winning Mega Bucks?

    • 45caliber

      Considering that an old white Nun would never put on a suicide vest or buy a lotto ticket, the odds are the same – zero.

      • libertytrain

        I’ve known a nun now and then to have a lottery ticket – usually someone buys it for her – :)

  • Mike Keller

    We should not be taking this kind of crapp, and travel another way, don’t put up with this BS. WAKE UP AMERICA!

  • Ron

    It’s all about the $$$$$$. Barack will be the first Billionaire Ex-Pres.

  • Cheryl

    I believe the president and everyone in his administration plus all TSA employees should have to go through the scanners and then have them posted all over the internet and public TV.

    • Eric Bischoff

      Dream on fool. The President has his own plane as do many CEOs and rich people in this country and they have NO xray machines, NO pat downs and NO security check at all on these private airplanes which do NOT have hardened cockpit doors.

      So a terrorist can charter a plane, commandeer it and crash it into a building or another airplane.

      All while we are all being groped for a false sense of security.

      You want to feel secure again, get out of the Middle East, close military bases, bring the troops home and apologize.

      • S.C.Murf

        Well put Eric, bravo

      • Robin from Arcadia, IN

        Eric… The only one who apologizes is Barry…

      • 45caliber

        You are only supposed to appologize when you do something wrong. I very seldom appologize – and I NEVER appologize for our troops.

    • 45caliber

      Cheryl:

      It might certainly change the TSA regs in a hurry if they did!

  • http://yahoo jowolo

    Being an ex military person with a secret clearance,my birth certificate on file with the govt. When I purchase a ticket, they know who I am. Yet, I have been pulled out of line for a pat-down while I watched persons that were obviously middle eastern board the plane without even being looked at. The antics of the TSA is an out right attack on our freedoms. Profiling is the only thing that will help keep the airlines safe. Not groping or porn pics.

    • 45caliber

      So far I’ve NEVER heard of anyone in Muslim garb being searched or scanned. I know that Whats-her-name is “studying” what to do since it is “against their religion”. In the meantime, they are being profiled by allowing them to walk in without searches.

      Doesn’t that make you feel safer?

      • Dan az

        45
        hey has anyone actually seen where it says its against there religion?
        And if thats the case then why not make it against all religions and put it in print!

  • Moment of Clarity

    Why haven’t we heard from the airline and travel industries on this??? They will suffer gravely from TSA policy.

  • http://aol.com Larry

    How do I know if the person groping me is not a homosexual????

    • HFlashman

      When they laugh at you and say “I feel sorry for your wife” ….

    • Michael J.

      Larry,
      Look at the name badge, if it doesn’t read HFlashman, you’re probably safe.

  • home boy

    welcome back the gestopo.

  • Nancy

    We Americans have the right to speak what is on our minds whether we agree with each other or not. If you don’t like our right to freedom of expression then stay away from sites such as this. The silent are the loosers!

    • http://www.keysinsurance.com Linda

      Does anyone on this site know how to spell “loser” correctly?

      • http://mine d:-)

        you do….loser, oh and me!

      • http://none Mike

        Looser= not tight Loser= not a winner. Sorry had too lol. Mike L.

  • Victoria DeLacy

    If those procedures were performed outside of an airport or medical care context, the perpetrators would be jailed and physicians have already come out against the procedures since hygienic protections are not being followed as they are by medical professionals, which virtually insures the spread of disease in the process as TSA agents then spread contagion from one flier to the next. As to security, they have already proven that a man got on board with knives up his sleeve, so that’s bogus. Meanwhile, there’s a woman on video who was slammed against a table to the point of suffering a concussion for possession of not a knife or a gun…but a bottle of CONTACT LENS FLUID! She is suing for $10 million dollars. I hope that she receives every penny of it in damag..

    • WInks

      Victoria, you are 100% INCORRECT. You should be ashamed of yourself for spewing forth such lies. Have you ever been to an NFL game or a rock concert? I have received more invasive pat downs at a baseball game!!! Now, as for the hygenic protections, the TSA agents do wear gloves. It is not like they are doing cavity searches. But given some of the nasty, dirty, unwashed scumbags I have seen giving the TSA a hard time, I would would worry about germs too.

      Perhaps if some of these “victims” were intelligent enough to remove the gold coins Glenn Beck told them to buy from their pockets before they go through the metal detector, they would not trigger a pat down!!

      • S.C.Murf

        You like the pat downs don’t you wlnks, what happened boyfriend leave?

        • Darlene Jackson

          :) :D

      • Snitch-In-Time

        Dullard. The pat-downs come from refusing to submit the full body scan “backscatter” x-ray, not from setting off the metal detector with gold coins. (Most metal investors keep their precious metals in safes or safety deposit boxes, not in their pockets, dimwit.) Sit down and shut up before you embarrass yourself further.

      • 45caliber

        Winks:

        You said: “I have received more invasive pat downs at a ball game.”

        I seriously doubt that. But maybe you aren’t thinking of the same ball games as I do or you go with the wrong people.

  • Robert

    Those who would trade liberty for Safety, deserve neither.(not mine).

  • WInks

    The Constitution does not guarantee your passage on an airplane, so if you do not wish to succomb to a search, you have the option NOT to enter an airport. On the other hand, the Constitution does guarantee me the right to LIFE. In fact, I think that is the first right it guarantees. So, if a little pat down is what is needed to help guarantee I get to continue living, it is not a big deal. What are all of you so afraid of? TSA might see your small peenie??

    • libertytrain

      I guess, if you call living being policed Federally in every aspect of life, and patdowns, etc. guaranteed living?

      • WInks

        It is not every aspect of life. It is one aspect which I have the choice to avoid. And in this case, though it does not guarantee my life (e.g. the plane could crash, or God forbid, someone could get something through despite our best efforts), it does reduce the chances that someone who wishes to do us harm will succeed. These scanners and pat downs along with other measures such as K9s, which I see all the time at the airport; air marshalls; behavioral profiling and no fly lists provide a decent security profile. People are just so angry and feel so out of control in their personal lives, they are lashing out like children, and like children, they are lashing out at the wrong people.

        • JC

          Keep waving your little `Change Button` we`ll be taking names later.

          • Snitch-In-Time

            Start boiling the tar and plucking the chickens.

        • Darlene Jackson

          Hey, it always just starts with “only” to get the proverbial foot through the door and before you know it, we’ll be asking ourselves, ‘how did we allow THAT to happen??’ That’s what happened in Nazi-Germany. Everything Hilter did was for “the good of the people” to lull them into submission and they became sheeple…the rest is history. :/

    • Eric Bischoff

      Until the next attack comes from a person who has inserted a bag up his rectum full of C4.

      We are like frogs in a kettle. Not noticing that we are being slowly boiled.

      First the belt, then the shoes, then pat downs and naked pictures. The next will be pull your panties down, bend over and spread your legs please!

      • TIME

        Dude, Good points.

        And now for the funny of the moment;

        ( TSA is now giving GROPE Discounts.)

        • http://none Mike

          Time, I heard thoes Grope rates depended on your Grope ability though. Higher rates apply to the less beautifully gifted. Mike L.

      • Michael J.

        Eric,
        Maybe you should consider wearing something else besides “panties”.

        Butte seriously though, I think the drive behind the government grope fest is not to catch terrorist but instead to condition the minds of Americans for the inevitability of the coming police state.

    • Al Sieber

      Hey Winks, you must enjoy and look forward to “these pat downs”, bet if you could you’d go through the line twice.

      • 45caliber

        He does. He immediately goes out and gets into the line again.

        • Michael J.

          Frequent gropee? Gropee groupie?

    • JRC

      Moreover, what people do not understand is that they do NOT have any constitutional protection from those searches…everyone that whines about the constitution does not know it and does not know due process.
      The moment they buy the ticket they consent to those security measures and searches. So, to have the convenience of using an airplane they give up they’re rights. Read the fine print and read the rules and regulations that the Airlines and airports have posted if you don’t agree with them use a different means of transportation…if you buy the ticket anyways…stfu.
      Like I said earlier, buying a ticket is essentially the same as if you invite an police officer into your home and tell him it is O.K. to look around because you feel you have nothing to hide….instead of telling him to get a search warrant.
      If you don’t want to abide by the rules, don’t buy a ticket….stay home, walk or drive….period.

      • 45caliber

        I drive.

    • 45caliber

      Winks:

      Perhaps you should read the Constitution again. It does not guarantee you life – it states that you have the right to life – one of the rights that our government doesn’t intend for you to have.

    • Lewis Munn

      Does it guarantee the Pursuit of Happiness? Sticks in my mind I learned that.

      What if the inspections destroy my ability to pursue happiness?

      I am avoiding flying as much as possible because the TSA will force me to violate my Faith, and I am not Muslim so cannot get out that way. If my faith is to be violated, violate them also…unless someone in the high places of government believes one special religion is so much better than all the rest it needs to be catered to specially.

      Could they then be secretly a follower of the religion the TSA is ordered to cater to specially??? Hmmmmm??

      If these people are liars in one area, will they not also be liars in others? And do we want a government of liars??

    • blv54

      winks wheres your right to life gonna be when you come down with cancer from the scanners? those scanners are agenda 21 in full swing, their not trying to keep you safe silly the goal is to radiate you to death slowly.

  • http://www.America-Betrayed-1787.com Oliver Woods

    I empathize with virtually every word of this article, but what we are forgetting is the hand of God’s judgment in all of this. One of the most poignant lines in Solzhenitsyn’s “Gulag Archipelago” is the response to the question, why are all of these things happening to us? “Because we have forgotten God,” was the plaintive reply.

    Aside from occasional lip-service, conservatives and liberals alike have rejected the authority of God and his law. We have rejected The Law of the Covenant recorded in Exodus 20-23 and replaced it with our national idol, the godless U.S. constitution. Conservatives in particular are blind to the fact that the Constitution is not the solution to our problem IT IS THE PROBLEM.

    This idolatrous document enshrines the goddess of “we the people” in the place of authority that should be reserved for God alone (Preamble). It makes itself — not the Bible — “the supreme law of the land” and makes it illegal to require that officials swear an oath to govern by God’s law (Art. VI). This is all documented at http://www.america-betrayed-1787.com/ and http://www.missiontoisrael.org/biblelaw-constitutionalism-pt1.php for those who have ears to hear.

  • WInks

    Victoria DeLacy says:
    November 30, 2010 at 8:14 am
    If those procedures were performed outside of an airport or medical care context, the perpetrators would be jailed and physicians have already come out against the procedures since hygienic protections are not being followed as they are by medical professionals, which virtually insures the spread of disease in the process as TSA agents then spread contagion from one flier to the next. ______________________________________________________________________

    Victoria, you are 100% INCORRECT. You should be ashamed of yourself for spewing forth such lies. Have you ever been to an NFL game or a rock concert? I have received more invasive pat downs at a baseball game!!! Now, as for the hygenic protections, the TSA agents do wear gloves. It is not like they are doing cavity searches. But given some of the nasty, dirty, unwashed scumbags I have seen giving the TSA a hard time, I would would worry about germs too.

    Perhaps if some of these “victims” were intelligent enough to remove the gold coins Glenn Beck told them to buy from their pockets before they go through the metal detector, they would not trigger a pat down!!

    • libertytrain

      I think one of the points made was they don’t change gloves between pats — and I’m not sure who should be ashamed of their comments?

      • WInks

        They absolutely do change their gloves betwen searches. I have video footage of them doing so consistently. And anyone who spews lies without taking PERSONAL ACCOUNTABILITY to check their facts should be ashamed. Spreading ignorance is shameful.

        • Snitch-In-Time

          “Spreading ignorance is shameful” – You’re the expert.

          • JC

            Notice Winks lies and propoganda are the absolute truth, while everyone else is “spewing”. Goes to show how self righteous and arrogant, not to mention really really stupid, the LibComs really are.

        • DJ

          Winks, are you a TSA agent? You seem to be awefully offended by the negative comments. Why are you watching TSA pat downs on the internet? That’s a little bizarro.

          • JC

            He probably needs a role model and something to aspire to, like…”Goon, 1st Grade” :)

      • JRC

        Stop and think…..where do you think are more bacteria, viruses and what not…the glove the TSA agent is using or….the seat you going to sit on where ten minutes before a person sat in that possible had some viral disease, was sweating and leaking body fluid into the seat? What do you think has more potential to make you sick the glove or the hand rail and table in front of you on the plane that an half an hour before someone that had infectious disease touched, sneezed on and left his mucus all over? The blanket you are using…how do you know it was not used an hour before by someone with Aids, SDTs,pox,measles,or what not?

        Think before showing how ignorant you are…..and if you believe all this get cleaned between flights, then you have no idea and obviously don’t fly very often.

        • libertytrain

          Well frankly JRC, I don’t think my sentence reflected much ignorance but if you must attack, you must. And I am well aware of all that you pointed out – nothing new there – I do fly more than the average person – though I’ve come to hate it for many reasons.

  • http://Walkermedia.org ARTHUR

    I FIND IT AMAZINGLY DIFFICULT TO SWALLOW THIS TSA BUNCH. WHEN I WAS A KID, TO PUT A HAND ON ONES HEAD WAS FIGHTIN ACTION. WHEN IN GODS GREEN EARTH WILL AMERICANS START FIGHTIN BACK ON THESE RUDIMENTARY GOV CONTROLS? WHERE IS THE GRIT THAT WON WW 2? DIDNT SAY KOREA AND VIET NAM BECAUSE THEY WERE PLANNED NO WIN WARS TO DEBILIATE THE AMERICAN SPUNK…WANNA RUIN A WHOLE DAY? TSA? COME & VISIT ME FOR A SHAKE DOWN. MAD AS HELL ABOUT ALL THIS DESECRATION OF AMERICAN MORALS AS WE DONT HAVE MUCH LEFT.

  • Maggie

    This is a problem in Canada as well. This is humilating and an invasion of peoples’ rights. You get small minded people @ the airports that are enjoying feeling people up with their little bit of power. It is a turn off from traveling and it will affect the travel industry and again the airlines will be putting the price up for airfare as people are going to be staying home. I tend to travel a few times in a year and now no way.

  • EltonJ

    Maybe if we started flying naked . . . that would stop the TSA from groping people.

    • 45caliber

      I’m reminded of the joke about the guy going to see the dentist.

      Before the dentist starts, the guy reached down and grabs the dentist between the legs. Then he says, “Now, Doc, we really don’t want to hurt each other, do we?”

      Maybe we should do that to the TSA people. When they pat us down, we do the same to them.

    • 45caliber

      Incidently, there was a guy who stripped off all his clothing (except very tight biker shorts) to avoid a pat-down. He was arrested because he refused to put them back on to allow the TSA to pat him down. His argument was that the TSA could see he wasn’t carrying any bomb but they still insisted on patting him down. Further, when his companion tried to video it, the camera phone was taken away. It seems, by TSA regs, that it is illegal to take any pictures in an airport. So he was charged with that too.

  • Bob Wire

    yea there few thing more erotica and sexually stimulation as a sexy X ray scan! LOL!

    How do some of you made it in this world and be so full of yourselves?

    Nobody gives a damn about your frigging x ray scan ~ the human body is not that scary or new.

    You don’t need to be out in public much less on a GD plane with other citizens held captive in small confines by your insanity.

    stay home!

    • WInks

      Well stated!! “Waaah, the TSA saw my peenie!”

      • Snitch-In-Time

        Wlnks just cannot seem to comprehend why everyone else doesn’t share his enthusiasm for e-voyeurism. What do you bet Wlnk also likes to hang around playgrounds in a trench coat and a fedora prior to his discovering the internet.

        • TIME

          SNT,
          Perhaps there is a far “deeper seeded” issue with Winks, if you get my drift. Think about it……Freud worked that all out years ago.

          On to yet one other note of interest, We are alledged to live in the land of “YOUR Innocent until proven Guilty.” Thus the alledged safety farctors that some just can’t grasp is flipping this to a 108*.

          Let alone if you were GROPED like what is being done anywhere else, can you guess where you would be rather fast?
          If you said in Jail you would be 100% correct.

          • Michael J.

            I get it, you think maybe he wore a Freudian slip rather than a trench coat.

    • Robin from Arcadia, IN

      Bob Wire… My fat middle aged body is still MY fat middle aged body and nobody’s business. Neither is my gorgeous 18 year old daughter’s model-like body. I don’t want anybody checking her out. She is a good Christian girl who doesn’t deserve to be treated like a terrorist or subjected to such hideous treatment. I agreed to let her go on a trip to Florida with a friend before all this TSA stuff started. It makes me sick to think she will have to either be ‘handled’ or scanned. Hopefully enough controversy will come about to stop this sort of treatment before she goes. I can only hope and pray!

      • Mira

        I can understand that, and too hope this lunacy is put to rest soon. My 13 year old daughter is already worried about not being able to go to Japan, as we told her we would do for her 16th birthday. My children don’t want to fly if they have to submit to the new procedures.

    • 45caliber

      Bob:

      If you believe the scans are X-rays, you need to do a little more study on what is being done.

    • Norm

      Amen. It’s hard to understand the logic of these fools.

      • Norm

        The above was a reply to Bob Wire and Winks.

      • Bleh

        That is because your logic is flawed.

        • Norm

          I rather have someone see my twinkie on a gritty display than to have them see it on a block in a morgue!

          • Bleh

            My State motto is Live Free or Die. I would prefer to die than to succumb to some chickens–t idea of security via x-rays or being felt-up by some schmuck with IQ of less than 30.

            We here in NH are one of the few without a seat belt law. NH still seems to hold freedom above personal safety for the moment.
            Perhaps we are the last.
            Maybe our MA born NH Governor Lynch will grow a set and do something about the TSA bs in our state.

  • Teresa

    I hear a lot about the patriot act and previous administration and although I do not agree with it all it was not intended to interfer with our civil rights as Americans it was intended to be used as racial profiling, which if that is what they would do instead of the tactics they choose now (which is our civil rights for their own purposes) then we would be at better odds in fighting terrorist instead of fighting ea. other. But we are so politically correct instead of being justifiably safe!

    • Michael J.

      Teresa,
      Yes, political correctness is the acid eating away at our liberties. What’s ironic is that it’s also used to exempt the most likely suspects. Complete idiocy or incremental societal destruction?

  • Jesse Williamson

    I served our Nation honorably during two wars (Korea and Viet Nam). I was told that my service was helping to protect our country by stopping the spread of communist aggression. I remained in the military for twenty years enduring many hardships; not only for me but for my family as well. After my military service, I served in law enforcement for another 20 years, helping to enforce our laws and support our Constitution.
    I feel highly offended that even after my 40 years of service in protecting our country, some jack-boot TSA agent has to physically verify that I have no capacity to bring harm to other persons and my country. Whether I am given a full-body scan, a detailed X-ray, or a so-called pat-down, I should not have been challenged in the first place. I have proven my loyalty to my country. And besides, in all of my military and police training, no one has ever taught me how to use a nail clipper as a weapon.
    I should be able to show my military ID card as proof of my service and an indication of my unwillingness to conspire to harm our American way of life. If I saw something suspicious happening around me, I can assure you that I would be among the first to intervene. Those agents should wave me on and perhaps even thank me for the peace we presently enjoy.
    As for profiling; bring it on. How many veterans who have served our country have tried to blow up an airliner?

    • 45caliber

      Please keep in mind that our government is far more worried about veterans than they are terrorists. Veterans might object to the things they want to do; all a terrorist will do is try to find some crowded place and set off a bomb to kill people. They can stay away from that.

    • DJ

      Jesse, thank you for your service to our country both military, and in civil-service. You have made a difference and have kept the enemy at bay. The men in my family on both sides, served in the military and my husband retired ten years ago from Active Duty. I understand yours/family’s sacrifices! My husband served in Desert Storm and other real-world events. Stay strong!

  • http://yahoo Shagnassy

    Mr.”O” is just getting even with the American public because of his falling approval rating and the fact that We the People are questioning his right to be in the WH. Think about it… When did all this start happening? When We the People started standing up for our rights and being vocal about how crappy he is doing his job, or not doing (Just too many vacations).

    • Bob Wire

      his approval rating are higher then past presidents you loved at the same time in tenure. So you’ve offered little.

      and as I understand the job, it’s not completely all about a popularity contest.

      Lincoln was hated ~ hells bells ~ Booth shot him in the back of the head and thought he’d be the hero of the day, ` as his hate was so large he thought it was everyone’s hate. Left to running and hiding in the swamp and sleeping in horse barns and under tree, told to leave, just go away, we want no part of you.

      Booth was obsessed with hate ` much like many of you.

      In the end, shot though the neck with rifle ball from a man shooting though an open slat in wooden barn wall, leaving him parlayed with a broken neck and to bleed out like the rabid dog he was.

      • JC

        There’s quite a bit more to the story around Booth than that and some of what you say is pure conjecture. But I’ll leave it you and artistic license.

    • Karolyn

      What assinine things to say!

  • GreatScott

    The Government cannot keep us safe (God bless’em for thinking of us in such a nice way) so no matter what they do for several reasons:

    1. The border along Mexico and Canada is wide open, they do not enforce Immigrations laws.
    2. The Terrorists are already here.
    3. Government corruption is so rampant, it is impossible for the system to work. When was the last time the TSA ever caught anyone?
    4. The FBI had ample information about the 911 terror plan and sat on their fat arse. Why the hell should we comply with their Illegal Search and Seizure procedure’s just to get sexually molested with a pair of blue gloves?

    American’s have become so stupid, they have no idea what is going on. I attended the National Opt Out day at a local airport near me to hand out some informational literature. I was utterly amazed about how the sheep will turn over the 4th amendment rights for a little safety. Wake up people, you are being treated like pigs, push back and hard!

    • JRC

      They did NOT give up they’re 4th amendment rights by going through the scanner…they had none at this point to start with. …The moment they go into the airport they give them up period. Read what is posted on Airport premises…read it and you will see that if you go in you are giving up your rights. Read what you are giving willingly up by buying the ticket….by buying the ticket you are CONSENTING to the rules, regulations and security measures. So in essence by the time you have the option of scanner or pad down it does not mater anymore, the moment you buy the ticket you voluntarily giving up your rights. And it is everyone’s own CHOICE to do so, nobody is standing there with a gun and forces you to buy an airline ticket.

      • GreatScott

        Any contract or law or rule that violates your fourth amendment rights is Illegal and UNCONSTITIONAL. The only reason they get away with it is because Moron’s like you will not take a stand.

        The contract on an online tiket does not legalize groping or naked exrays. Those acts are still Illegal and Unconstitutional.

      • http://eddie47d@gmail.com eddie47d

        The airlines are protecting THEIR business. If a plane explodes because of something they did or didn’t do then they will be libel. If there is such an accident will you or family sue them for damages. You betcha! You want your cake and eat it too. Take away the safety and then blame them when they don’t take safety precautions. Happens all the time in many businesses. Sounds like the issue is more of an anti-government thing. Now if the airports hire private security people and raise the price of tickets would that make you happy?

        • Warrior

          Yep.

        • Dan az

          Actually special ed it would make me more than happy if they would look at who is trying to kill us and search them instead. But Nooooooo that would make sense lets just let them go about their ways and kill all of us infidels.Sorry bud but your logic stinks!

          • http://eddie47d@gmail.com eddie47d

            How would you protect your business from lawsuits? Buy a bigger insurance policy or take precautions?

          • JC

            Dan, eddie missed the mark completely. Don’t waste your time.

          • Michael J.

            eddie47d,
            The answer for airlines is to profile liberals. The number of law suits filed by liberals by far exceeds the ones filed by conservatives. Must be the Cloward & Piven thing.

      • Lewis Munn

        Right…so do I do when my work takes me to Africa in a hurry?? Can’t even hike across the arctic ice anymore and down through Siberia!

    • blv54

      did you see the 300 pounders come flying though the doors on black friday? they were trampling each other to get to that chinese junk yet line them up at the airport and their timid sheep ready for the Nazis to have their way with them, really is to bad they can’t be that enthusiastic about their freedom? I can’t complain about the airport searches because I’ve never been on a plane and never want to, I do know however that sooner or later we’ll all be confronted with this because they will be on every corner, I’m glad my freedom loving parents are not around to see what has become of this country they couldn’t have guessed all this in a million years.

      • JC

        Hope your freedom loving dad left you some guns.

  • http://LibertyAlert CSchutz

    All of the so-called terroristic threats have come from people flying FROM overseas to the states. So why do we have body scanners before we board? If we have to lets scan all the foreigners coming into the US.

    • http://eddie47d@gmail.com eddie47d

      You are correct that security measures need to be increased from flights coming from overseas. That still won’t change the situation for outgoing flights from USA.

  • http://www.quigleyspargus.com Quigley Spargus

    People, seriously. We are the problem. This is not a political issue – it is societal. To effect change we must stand together. I doubt either party would disagree that our government is broken and we as a society do nothing but bend over and take it again-and-again. So what are you going to do about it – whine, bitch and moan, point your finger? How about standing up and saying enough is enough and taking our country back! Profiling is the answer to this TSA outrage. Smart use of intelligence is the only way to subvert the threat. Our government and the media are not without blame(What exactly does ‘Threat Level Orange’ mean if it’s always orange). Instilling fear and panic is all they know – it is time for solutions. Look at Israel, prime example of the correct way to handle airport security. Don’t know about it – then go educate yourself. Hell, their method even subverts the ACLU (another cog in the wheel) by circumventing stepping on anyones rights by employing their ‘system’ on EVERY traveler. The reality is this, Terrorism is not going away – they will find a way to succeed time and time and again. Taking your shoes off at the airport or subjecting yourself to a little TSA foreplay is not going to stop them. Random hardly compares to statistically probable. Be smart people – it is time for some common sense in this country.

    • JC

      Fear is the preferred political tool of control used by both parties.

      “Naturally the common people don’t want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY.”

      Hermann Goering at the Nuremberg Trials

  • Santi

    I have a suspicion that the gov. wants us to stay home, so they can contol us. Obum whats us close to home because this will save them money. They won’t have too look us up on the cameras that are use by the stores and on the streets. Big daddy is always, so they say, one step ahead of us.

  • Eric Bischoff

    I will add this Mr Crystal. You only have yourself and your kind of thinking to blame for where we are today.

    • Warrior

      I’ll bet Bush is pulling Crystal’s strings too.

    • JC

      Actually we can very easily blame the
      Eric “I’m a Socialist” Bischoff’s of the nation.
      You sycophant parasites are a cancer on free people.
      Have a nice day :)

      • Michael J.

        JC,
        Amen to that thought, but political correctness is the rail they ride on to their prophesized socialist utopia. If we can learn to just say no to political correctness it would eliminate 98% of the problems we today face.

  • Barbara

    IF I had to fly, I would cross into Canada and depart from there. I have not heard anything about Canada’s airport security. Could not be worse than what is happening in the US.

  • THINK ABOUT IT

    Hey, what was your opinion during Christmas attempt to blow up a plane going to Detroit, did you forget that one, lots was yelling why did we not get this guy before he entered the aircraft. Don’t think for one moment those who desire to blow us up would not attempt to plant the same type of device into a baby’s diaper, it is about making our airlines safer for those of us who are law abiding and not radical. I will feel better about flying if we continue to use these methods. Perhaps the radical believers who do not want the body scans or pat downs will not be flying and will leave the USA along with Rush.

    • GreatScott

      Government inside job idiot. The whole incident was caught on video by a Detroit business man and show’s it was a false falg attack. The News Media is lying it’s arse off and you sit there and watch that crap. WTFU and turn the boob tube off.

      • William

        At least somebody understands that a lot o these “terrorists” are fake that created to keep public under pressure and justify this “security”
        which is attack on freedom. And don’t forget that Ben Laden was and maybe is CIA agent. That Arabs oil kings are best allies to ours. Terrorists are exists. But planes along on 9/11 were not capable to bew out WTC. People, use your brain, please.

    • blv54

      you are really stupid, sorry but the underwear bomber was put on the plane last christmas by government agents just so they could implement all this garbage when will people ever learn the government is the terrorist, and they will do it again when their ready to make you wear the taser necklace.

      • Karolyn

        Boy, youguys are really getting off the wall!

      • Norm

        blv54
        You are one irrational person!

  • http://www.oathkeepers.org Martin Fee

    Whats next? Microwave ovens that seat a thousand? I have an honest question for all you people. At what point does this all become too much and we full on, full scale rebel? I am talking Civil War II Rebellion? IS there a line that you will not allow to be crossed? or will you continue to just post comments on sites like this, moaning and groaning about how bad things are and that something should be done?
    I have been hearing the same gripes, from the same people for the last 2 years and no matter what the Government does to further enslave them all they do is gripe.

    • blv54

      well where are all the leader types that are gifted to get things done? if we had some stand up people to organize everyone things might get done. it sure isn’t the church all they care about is their multi million dollar buildings and the offering plates staying full, how about the tea party I haven’t heard from them on this issue, I think our leaders have everyone sufficiently silenced it’s getting kind of scary to speak out in the land of the free home of the brave?

  • JimH

    I heard on the radio that most flights are 300 miles or less. I also heard some Senators and Representitives talking about a high speed rail system they want to build. My conspiracy theory is if people get fed up with the TSA they will want high speed rail. No facts to back it up, just spectulating.

    • DJ

      Good thought there, Jim! We have to look at all angles but don’t become paranoid. That in itself, is a form of control. Keep God in front and we can walk with certainty and peace-of-mind.

    • Michael J.

      JimH,
      Lets think about this, WW11, people boarding trains, Auschwitz, Sobibor, Treblinka.
      Be careful about what you wish for.

  • Raggs

    http://fromtheold.com/news/politics/us-bill-s-510-passes-20850

    These scanners are just a tip of the iceberg… I expect micro-chip implants to be next…

    • http://none Mike

      Raggs, You have the right of it there. Have you noticed the slow creeping in of the travel I.D idea. Even some who call themselves are saying this has to be better than the TSA. What they dont realize is how this could be used to restrict travel even more. Some little glitch in your background and your not allowed to fly. Well we can solve that if you just allow us to implant this travel chip.Scary but its where things are headed if we dont stand up to this soon.Another scary thought is notice how they decided to implement this during the buisest travel time of the year. And people just submitted to it for the convienince of getting to grandmas on time. Napalitano and his goons just seen how far we were willing to go and I bet they are happy as he!!. Mike L.

    • http://none Mike

      oops left out Thoes that call themselves conservitive. Sorry. Mike L.

  • http://twitter.com/doitathometoday Ken

    Me thinketh that this is all part of a much larger master plan. Goes like this: Intimidate the Americans by subjecting them to high doses of radiation, if they refuse we delay them for an invasive pat-down. Then after we piss ‘em off we’ll offer a solution, “for the good of the people of course” we offer a “National I.D. card” complete with bar code that gives Gov’t. the who,what,why and where they want. Oh, if you don’t want to carry a card we can tattoo the bar code on your arm or maybe inplant a micro chip.

    • 45caliber

      It will be the micro chip. They are already testing it on animals and they are encouraging parents to do it with their children on the grounds that “we can more easily find kidnapped children that way.”

      Of course they haven’t said HOW they might find those children. But I’m foreseeing a day when everyone will be required to have a chip inserted that will be able to be scanned to tell the scanner everything about you.

      • DJ

        It’s called “the mark of the beast”. It’s in the Bible. It doesn’t say, “micro-chip” but it is an ID code where ONLY if you have this (666), can you buy or carry-on business. God knows man’s nature very well, and knew of this micro-chip before it even came into existance! So WHO should we be looking up to for answers and peace-of-mind??? The ONE God who made all living-things. We still should stand up for what is right, or we will fall for anything.

      • Dan az

        45
        Yep but has anyone tried to disable it with a large magnet?

  • Mark

    napolitano, claire mccaskill, and obama are nothing more that pig manure on a cracker. No, I will not capitalize their names, they deserve no such courtesy. This TSA thing is putrid. Scan and check the scum that causes the problems and leave children and elderly folks alone. I am ashamed that mccaskill is even a part of Missouri. These muslim pig slop bare hand butt wipers need to be checked twice regardless of the clothes they wear.

  • Hannibal Smith

    Great.. Look, we’ve heard it over & over.. Neal C., Glenn Beck, B. O’Reilly, the honorable Judge Napolitano.. Now another fool with the same story.. Another opinion / story is all I see.. TALK TALK.. I don’t need more renditions of the situation.. I need something done about it > like yesterday.. I need RESULTS.. Now take care of it..

  • Dean

    the More Americans Bend Over, the sooner we won’t be able to STAND UP against FEAR created by Tyranny.

  • Rick

    A few years ago, I envisioned a scenario where you go to the checkpoint, where you are sent to a room, given a plastic storage box,
    instructed to strip naked, told to put on a hospital gown & flip flops, and then you would be allowed to board the plane. At the other
    end, the process is reversed. This would eliminate the need for all
    metal detectors, body scanners, pat downs, etc. Everyone would be
    treated in the same demeaning way in the interest of “SECURITY”.

    • 45caliber

      Why bother with the hospital gowns? Just let everyone fly naked.

      • JC

        A friend in texas just sent me the 2011 Miss TSA calendar.
        Yup, you guessed it. A Skeletal woman in 12 provocative positions.

    • Lewis Munn

      Hospital gowns gape in the back. Need dressing downs. And the crew all should wear the same. Don’t need fancy uniforms to distinguish them! If distinguishing is needed, give the crew red gowns and the passengers blue or green.

      TSA folks in the secured area should also wear robes, but purple for their royalty position.

  • Francine Weigle

    I read and sometimes find it hard to believe what some people will come up with to try and defend unbelievable beliefs or just to be argumentative. We is not about the Hollocost, it’s not about trying to infringe on rights, IT’S ABOUT TRYING TO PREVENT TERRIOSTS FROM KILLING INOCENT PEOPLE NOW AND IN THE FUTURE! If getting patted down causes just a little bit of inconvenience, uncomfort and/or embarasment it is far better than having hundreds or thousands of men, women and children blown to bits out of hate and just to prove that they can. I am sick to my stomache with Political Correctness and whining about profiling. You can b—- about profiling all you want but if it saves lives (maybe your own) you should not complain. Because sure enough if it’s not done and you (whoever is maimed or killed or if someone you know and love is) you will be the first to cry “You should have done more”. Back when we did not have to worry about things hapening I can see if someone complained but today we rarely go a week or month that some nut case planting a bomb of some sort and killing innnocent people. You either want to revent these incidents or you want to have your life made easy and take what comes your or your friends or familys way. Suck it up freedom is not free and safety comes at a price.

    • JUSTJIM

      My Dear person,
      Tell me what airplane is capable of loading hundreds of thousands of people?
      Gas Ovens at resettlement camps, now thats a different story.
      There is not one incident that has been published that can give honest credit to the TSA Goons, led by head good bigsis,the bullDIKE in charge saving one airplane.
      If you feel the need to be sexually molested, just go to your local airport, they are making travel today unplesant as possibile and if we tolerate that, next will be micro chips at birth.
      LBJ and the greeat socity its not.
      Enslavement of the Citizens of the USA is exactly the plan and the planners are using the same plan used by the nastyboys from germany in and before ww two, read some history and learn from it.l

    • 45caliber

      One minor flaw in your reasoning. There IS profiling going on in airports now – the Muslims are allowed to walk past these infringements because its against their religion. Only the Americans are patted down.

      • JC

        You nailed it .45. And that is `real`Racism.

      • http://eddie47d@gmail.com eddie47d

        Not true! So stop spreading those rumors.They tried to make that a lawful exception but all Muslims do have to go through scanners or be patted down. If anyone has headgear they are to take it off or go through visual scanner. If the headgear needs to be inspected but cannot be touched by an inspector then it has to be visually done by the TSA agent. Then the person wearing that headgear has to do a chemical test on his/hers hands.

        • 45caliber

          Really? Then Janet N. didn’t put their inspections on hold while she considered what to do since they insisted it violated their religious rights? My goodness!

        • JC

          EVERYBODY has a story about watching the Arabs walk right through.
          It’s quite a rumor alright. As rumor’s go, it’s right up there with watching war vetrans and the elderly humiliated in public.
          These TSA people are gestapo goons.

    • GreatScott

      Francine- If this was really legitmate, why do we still have open borders letting the Terrorists in? The whole idea that the Government can keep us safe is rediculous (sp?).

      Life is dangerous, deal with it!

    • blv54

      francine it’s idiots like you that make the world a worser place

    • Lewis Munn

      And in which countries are the bombs planted? Give that some thought as to where we should demand detailed security.

  • JUSTJIM

    Folks, read Germany, THe county, the rise to power, its all about the future take over of the USA using the same exact play book that der fuher used in Germany.
    The Gestapto=Homeland Security.
    TSA= SSSD
    Read and learn, I read it several years ago and what was done in Germany is being done in the USA, today, not the newspaper.

    • 45caliber

      Clinton once stated that Hitler was the most intelligent man in the 20th Century. I think many of the liberals agree with him.

      • JC

        At least he could speak without a teleprompter…evil basterd that he was….

  • 45caliber

    Just a note on being “patted down”.

    I worked for several months in a penal institute between real jobs more from curiosity than anything.

    Pat downs are NOT allowed in prisons. You can miss all the important things – some quite large. Further, it angers the person you are trying to pat down, particularly if you get into the more private places.

    Instead, they have the prisoner strip. They then check the clothing and let the person put it back on. Nothing is missed that way – and the prisoners are certainly happier than being patted down.

    I expect to see the day when we’ll be expected to do that at an airport, train station, or other mass transit places. And won’t that be a hoot? Everyone can sit around and laugh at how funny the others all look.

    • http://eddie47d@gmail.com eddie47d

      All people going into a prison are patted down.

      • Karolyn

        That’s not true Eddie. I used to go into a women’s prison in NJ to interview prospective halfway house clients and was never searched. Nor was I when I went to visit my cousin at that same prison.

        • Karolyn

          Oh, sorry, you were referring to prisoners! My bad!

      • 45caliber

        eddie:

        You said all prisoners going to prison are patted down.

        Wrong. They are strip searched. Usually several times a day. Patting down, as I stated, does not find many things that a strip search will.

  • CJM

    Winks: To reply to your rather vulgar remark about a male’s anatomy, let me inform you that the US Constitution guarantees OUR RIGHT to privacy and from illegal searches and seizures; this, by the way, includes any and ALL invasive searches of one’s body. Too, the FCC is charged with providing safety to its consumers, but only within the guidelines one finds in the US Constitution. What we are seeing today is a direct violation of those rights. And for your information, the “right to fly” is neither a Constitutional right nor a privilege–it is merely a business transaction between corporation and consumer. If you want to chastise someone’s opinion you need to do two things: (1) keep your facts straight, and (2) keep the vulgarity out of your statements. There is no need to demean a person for stating an opinion.

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Linda

    liberals are ignorant lower primates

    • http://eddie47d@gmail.com eddie47d

      You just lowered yourself a few notches.Try putting something between those ears.

    • JC

      Being kind of hard on the lower primates aren’t ya? ;)

    • Michael J.

      Linda,
      Yes, Their genus and species name is “Azwholeamongus”

  • dave

    It’s time to give this country an ENEMA,And as usual the perfect place to insert the tube is more than obvious. Try Washington D.C.What a target,you can’t possibly miss.But caustion must be used when removing the tube,as its been plugged up with so much B.S. for so long the pressure is going to cover the eastern seaboard.

    • Michael J.

      dave,
      What you describe just sounds like a typical night of partying at Barney Franks DC hotel room.

  • Jim

    Let me add a different view point. TSA has decided to put a security parameter around the aircraft due to a threat from the bad guys. OK, However, they then go and refuse to fully enact this parameter they wish to have. This is done by not doing an enhanced screening and enhanced pat down on everyone that come into the new security parameter, that is the airline crew, the food service personnel, the baggage handlers, the cleaning personnel etc, etc. This must be dones on a dailoy basis when they come to work or the security parameter is not complete. This should also extend to all private aircraft and corporate aircraft. They should have the identical security procedures as now on civilian aircraft. Otherwise, the security parameter is compromised. In case you are wondering, a fuled Gulf Stream V going into a tall building can do some serious damage or can easiy fly into a 747 and bring it down.

    My point is a very old military defense concern. The enemy does not always come in from the side where we put our defense, he can come from the side and from the back, thus a defense all around. Otherwise the defense is not total.

    The TSA looks like a fool with its emphasis on only one point and not the entire parameter. If the threat is so high, secure the entire parameter or go back to the way it ways.

    This is logic and should be pointed out in every confersation you have because it shows up the issue in very clear terms that any person can understand. The aircraft is secure or it is not, there is not inbetween.

    Comments?

    • William

      Good point!!! This means that all this “Security” is not about security. Than turn on your brain and try to figure it out!!!
      There were enough explanation above. Just read.

  • http://com i41

    Questions to profile possible terrorists coming into to the USA or leaving the USA.
    Do you get down on your knees and put your rear in the air on a
    stinking rug?
    How many goats do you abuse a year, and what is the color of your
    favorite goat?
    Do women have the same freedoms and rights as you do?
    When was the last time you beat or abused your wife/wives or a
    female?
    What does jhaid make you think about, and are you involved in a
    jhiad?
    If your jhaid succeedsm would 72 virgin males under 10 yearrs old be
    acceptable, if it was coming from a moon god?
    Do you have any Christian friends or eat pork?

    • Warrior

      You’re hired!

    • 45caliber

      Only if he was hooked to a lie detector – like Israel does all passengers.

    • Michael J.

      i41,
      Muslims in America are misunderstood and confused by culture shock. Just the other day I over heard a young one ask his sibling to go find his bag of reefer and roll a Fatwah.

  • CHIMPIMP

    Somehow, the discussion got way off topic and degenerated into: Bush vs Obuma, or Obuma vs Bush. This article is about the TSA. Total Sexual Assault.

    • 45caliber

      TSA – Total Sexual Assault. I like that.

      • JC

        Seems appropriate doesn’t it?

      • Norm

        45caliber
        If that’s your idea of sexual assault you are the real pervert.

  • http://ByGeorge By George

    Pavlov’s Dog

    Have you heard of Ivan Pavlov? He was Russian scientist, a Nobel Prize Medal winner in fact, who experimented with animal behavior. Specifically, he discovered that a dog, upon hearing a bell every time it was fed, would salivate. This he called a conditioned response because after a period of conditioning, when ever he rang the bell even without feeding the dog, the dog would salivate. This term, “Pavlov’s Dog”, has now entered the lexicon of useful words in our modern vernacular to describe people’s actions to such events as the recent “Black Friday” sales. If you want to see exactly what I’m talking about, I invite your attention to a new You Tube video titled “The Madness of a Lost Society”. That is Pavlov’s Dog in action.

    The planned “opt outs” at TSA screening facilities for flying travelers this Thanksgiving Day week did not seem to materialize as hoped simply because TSA didn’t operate that intrusive system, so there were no opt outs. That Obama (may peace be upon him) permits the (TSA) to violate the 4th Amendment rights of US Citizens, is simply another step in perfecting the conditioned response that created Pavlov’s Dog. American travelers, like the Black Friday shoppers you saw in the video, are being conditioned to accept whatever it is the government thinks it needs to do to us, in our best interest. A major portion of that conditioning is the entitlements that government dispenses to ”those less fortunate”, that has now even spread to middle class seniors with their medicines.

    Back to the TSA. Obama, early in his term and in his books, mentioned that America needed an internal (my term) security force equally as armed and provided for as is the US Military. Why? Obviously, to control us, for our own good. A dictatorship needs to control the people. The conditioning for that control starts with the TSA and their scans and pat downs. By the way, did you know that the most recent past director of the TSA has a large investment in the company that makes those scanners? The company is called Rapid Scan and is a subsidiary of OSI Systems, Inc. of which George Soros, until recently, himself, owned 11,000 shares.

    Detractors claim that reliance on machines over trained observers of human behavior, like the Israelis employ, is simply too much for the size of Americas mobile population. So, the TSA is supposedly looking for weapons, not terrorists, especially muslim males between age 18 and 45 with gleams in the eyes, sweat on their foreheads and bobbing adams apples because of dry throats. No, it’s easier to consider all Americans as criminals and threat them the same then it is to single out terrorists visible by their behavior. We are being conditioned and this should not be.

    Here is a solution. If you opt out of the scanning machine and the TSA takes you aside for a pat down ask them, nicely, if they know your name. They will not! Then ask if they believe you are specifically a criminal. Their answer must be no!. Then ask them if they don’t know you, have no evidence based upon probable cause supported by oath or affirmation that you are a criminal, then by what constitutional right do they presume to search you as a suspect without a warrant? Record that searchers name and anyone else who stands by to observe if you are a lunatic or not, then find a lawyer and file a law suit as quick as you can. Only the “Terry Act” (look it up) provides for a pat down search by a policeman when making street inquiries with a known criminal element. We are not dog’s and we shouldn’t be treated like them. At my age, salivation looks more like I’m drooling and that is not cool especially if you are with your date. Remember, Freedom is the goal, the Constitution is the way. Go get ‘em! (29 Nov 10)

    • DJ

      AWWWE, Intelligence, love it! Very refreshing!

    • Warrior

      And the Arizona Illegal Immigration Bill is wrong WHY? Oh, I get it now. Non citizen’s are guests and should be treated as such. All you citizens get back in line and do as you’re told.

  • http://N/A jim saulino

    Ben Crystal is throwing the word and concept “fascism/fascist” about rather too freely. Certainly a man with a degree from such a prestigious college must know the difference between Democrat and Republican fascists.

    A clear definition of the concept with a bit of historical background is in order. I won’t insult anybody’s intelligence by providing my understanding and definition of fascism. Both “sides of the aisle” are guilty of corruption and pervasive secrecy. Too much so in fact, to have a truly representative government.

    Alternatively the teabag movement was a potentially sound idea that became rapidly usurped by the Republicans with complicity from the Democrats. That movement is now virtually the Republican Tea Party. It looks as though the Republicans are going to party on too, with that movement. Meanwhile the public in the United States continues to wallow in ignorance under the illusion of a two party system.

    We have, as Mr. Crystal is certainly fully aware, but one political party in the United States. That party could be effectively named the Big Business Party. The BBP has a right-shifted liberal (Democrat) and conservative (Republican) wing. This party has coalesced into a monolith with factions of loyal opposition.

    Fairness by the Bob Livingston site is best served by disengaging from the destructive polemics between the pseudo two party system. Our country and society is in dire straits. We need open discussion of these problems without the sophomoric back and forth name calling that has been prevalent for at the very least, the past fifteen years. The American public that has trust in Democrats and Republicans to get up off their overpaid, free health care butts — will find out for itself the real definition of fascism.

    • William

      I’d probably add to this that actually the is an International Big Business Party (mostly right wing reps and some dems) and Internal Big and Middle Business Party (the rest). Their goals and polices are really different. Not, that neither one is about common people!!!

  • http://mine d:-)

    I breeze right through, by just saying”I’ve got a scorchin’ case of herpes right now, still wanna sweep/grope?”

  • http://N/A jim saulino

    Note: Our federal legislators are indeed participants in a free gold standard health care plan that they are at best too stingy to provide for the rest of us. The armes services veterans, as well as others in the USA are also priviledged to have health care provided to them at no cost. The rest of us are captives of insurance companies and their lobbyists.

    • http://mine d:-)

      Veterans, my friend, are not covered by the same ‘gold standard plan as congress! And its not free, either! I am a Veteran, and pay for my health care, dental, life, auto and any other damned insurance mandated by GOV!!! So, I politely invite you to GFY with your STUPID comments!!! Your Welcome!

    • Bob Wire

      jim saulino, well ~ you are wrong as hell about what Vet’s are presently getting! Maybe some of the quadriplegic’s , both legs shot off , blinded , arms missing maybe? I don’t know about that, and if so ~ they deserve it and you need to kiss their ass and offer them a ride home.

      But if you can walk in under your own power ~ they might offer you a free bucket of leeches, if you bring the bucket.

      I don’t know about the rest of your post ` maybe some of it is true.

    • 45caliber

      The only ones on the solid gold medicare program are Congress, the President, the SCOTUS, and a few heads of departments. The rest of the government workers definately have a better health program than the private citizens but they still pay a $100 or so a month for it. The rest of us, vets included, pay for our own insurance. The only ones getting a free ride on medical are the welfare people and the illegals.

  • Awakened

    Enough is enough. Abolish and DISMANTLE the TSA, let Americans defend themselves, and SCREW political correctness!! Oh, and put all the former TSA thugs on a permanent no-fly list!

    • JC

      I Like It! :)

  • Charles2439

    The added airport security came in advance of the WikiLeaks documents release. It’s all part of Obama’s plan, but I think the latest release of documents was a snafu.

    The White House had to have prior knowledge of the release of these documents. Hence, they already know what’s in the leaks before they are released. Common sense tells us that they had prior knowledge and therefore, must have released the documents to Wikileaks.

    It may be hard to figure out the exact intent and expected results, but apparently they miscalculated and the American people are being treated like terrorists instead of the real terrorists. The harassing security at the airports followed by the release of confidential documents signals a connection between the two.

    All of the leaks, until now, painted America, our military, and the Bush administration in a bad light. However, the leaks more than likely fueled the recent killing of 20 U.S. soldiers. It was fine for Obama to turn a blind eye to that because the Whitehouse approved the release of those documents.

    In their effort to destroy America, they decided it was time to make our allies look bad too by releasing diplomatic documents. Their latest effort at accomplishing their goal backfired on them. I hope it takes Obama and his gangster government down.

    • http://eddie47d@gmail.com eddie47d

      The government documents were released by a 20 year old pfc Manning. Information can be hacked by anyone with computer knowledge. So stick to the facts instead of anti- Obama bashing theories.

      • Dan az

        special ed
        You forgot to add that he was Gay.Dont ask and especially dont tell!

      • JC

        I’m definately “Pro” Obama-Bashing! ;)
        I still wonder what made 23 y/o Manning do what he did when he copied the doc’s and smuggled them out. What was he seeing that he felt the world needed to know? And why was it so important he was willing to risk prison?
        Maybe he was just another American who was sick and tired of the filth of “business as usual”.

        • http://eddie47d@gmail.com eddie47d

          Most young hackers don’t think before they do anything. I believe he found his 15 minutes of fame but his future might not be very bright.

    • Karolyn

      Charles – You said “all part of Obama’s plan.” How do you know this? Oh, you’re a psychic! I guess you haven’t heard any of the news about WikiLeaks. They did contact the government before exposing them to make sure nothing of too sensitive a nature was printed. I heard one of the people from Wiki on NPR this morning. They did not get the info from the government, and they feel that government should be transparent; however, they do not want to leak anything that would get anyone hurt.

    • 45caliber

      eddie is right about the man who released the info but he didn’t tell it all.

      Manning is gay. He worked on equipment that passed top secret info around the world including many messages. He was annoyed that he couldn’t get his ‘friend’ into the military where he was and was angry at other things as well. He copied and released the info to Wiki Leaks. Right now he is under arrest and, considering the info he released embarressed a lot of top officals, he will likely end up in the pen for life.

      • JC

        You might have answered the question I posted just above.

  • DROB1776

    Wink, I really with you would quit saying the Constitution guarantees you the right to “LIFE”, it does not! It is the Declaration of Independence that states “with certian unalienalbe Rights that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.” The Constitution states “establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare and secure the Blessing of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution of the United States of America.” -Note no mention or right to life in there. You seem to enjoy telling everyone else that they are liar’s or incorrect – So get your facts straight if you are going belittle others!

    I have no doubt that you support roe vs wade which Constitutionally (Supreme Couts version anyway) deprives the right to life.

    If you are fond of scanners then I suggest you read a letter written by Dr. John W. Sedat, Professor Emeritus Department of BioChemistry and Biophysics University of California San Francisco to Dr. John P. Holdren, the letter is also co-signed be two other PHD’S and one MD who is an internationally known cancer expert. They indicate that the type of scanners being used pose a high risk of skin cancer in all and particularly so to those 65 and over due to the high level of xrays delivered to the skin as these scanners deliver where this risk would not be there if the xrays were evenly distrubuted thoughout the body, there is much more information in this letter dated April 6, 2010. You may of course choose to call me a “lair” or read the letter yourself.

    I myself prefer a combination of profiling and the Israeli system which you yourself have not condemended, using a behavioral profiling.

    Again sorry to burst your bubble about no guarantee of “LIFE” the Constitution, you will just have to be content with right to Liberty -if we can manage to keep that.

    • 45caliber

      I understand that the Israeli method is a 3-minute test. You place your hand on a plate and answer the questions. The plate is actually a lie detector. If you lie too many times, a human is called to continue the questioning. Since ALL take the test, it isn’t profiling. And it seems to root out those who might attack since they haven’t had that problem there. Too bad we can’t use that method here.

      • Dan az

        If that where a plate of pigs blood then I would agree but they have lying down to a science Hence obumer!

  • Bob Wire

    have any of you watch the news?, this is all to do about nothing. The holiday weekend went well, nobody was hurt and only a few out of million upset their junk being “adjusted”

    They were upset before they got to the airport much like yourselves. A preexisting condition, ~ Something to blame “O” for!

    Nobody is liking it ! you are feeding on political frenzy with a strong bias. Sheep ~` bha !

    The offended ones! The easier one is to offend is indicative of weak character and personal fears and insecurities ~the delicate ones too weak to stand and harbors great “hidden” fears of being found out.

    • 45caliber

      Not completely. Many are young teens or early twenties people who simply don’t like to have others see them naked or touch their private areas. And I don’t really blame them. Personally, I don’t care but many do. We train them that way for a purpose – to keep them out of trouble. Now the TSA IS the trouble.

      • Karolyn

        Are you kidding me? The way they dress?

        • Dan az

          Karolyn
          I like the 60′s look and besides you cant hide much under a mini skirt!

          • JC

            Especially from floor level surveillance cameras.

  • Charles2439

    Two years into Obama’s reign as king, and people are still blaming the Bush administration. I was surprised to see a post here blaming Bush for the Airport Security boondoogle. Bush has been gone for over two years, and his administration had nothing to do with it.

    The recent harassing pat-downs have a connection to the classified document release on WikiLeaks. It’s as though they were preparing for the leaks in advance. Now they are warning people that lives may be in danger from the leaks. The Obama administration didn’t care when document leaks put our troops in mortal danger.

    However, they don’t like having their own dirty secrets published. The Obama admnistration laid an egg, and I hope they take credit for it, but I know the Democrats and Obama will blame Bush for all the negative things that Obama’s healthcare bill ushers in.

    I usually never throw off on another person, but I have to say that, only a moron would still be blaming Bush for everything.

  • Charles2439

    eddie47d
    Nobody ONE person has access to all the information that has been released. I know from experience! I have over 30 years experience working on government hardware and sofware systems. I am also an veteran and held a top secret clearance to work on computers.

    All government systems are monitored for outside traffic and all ports are reviewed everyday to check for hackers. The facts are that hackers can not find all this information on one server and all departments of government have their own protocol for access to their information. Those are the facts!

    • http://marcum@wildblue.net coal miner

      Charles2439,

      You are expert on computers.

      I am curious what is a Bin 10011011 Hex 3f6 oct 2473 in computer terms?

      • http://marcum@wildblue.net coal miner

        I meant are.

      • http://marcum@wildblue.net coal miner

        charles,

        I forgot these terms in Dec

      • Lewis Munn

        Bin is a binary number. A binary number could only have 0′s and 1′s and our decimal 2 is 10 3 is 11 4 is 100 The places are powers of 2s.
        It is suited to computers where a given switch can have only two values, open or shut. Same is true for other numbers. Our decimal system has numbers 0-9 and then moves one place over to 10. I do not recall what the other numbers you looked at were offhand, but that is part of the theory from math, and best applied to machines.

        • http://marcum@wildblue.net coal miner

          Lewis,

          I know what they are.I Know that 10011011 equals 155 hex 3f6 equals 1014 and oct 2473 equals 1339,these are in Dec. numbers.I was testing Charles.I wanted to see if he was a computer expert.What you said is right.I am sorry I didn’t make myself more clearer.I meant what they equals in numbers.

  • http://hljamesj3@att.net H. James

    We need the same system as the Israeilis at El Al – ‘profiling – and damn the idiots who say that this is either ‘racist’ or ‘dsrespectful’ to either moderate or crazed Moslems, who are more than likely excused on religious and ‘moral’ grounds from being either ‘X-rayed’ or from being sexually molested and ‘felt up’by the TSA people, who are probably in California, non citizens themselves.

    Any Middle Eastern born traveller clad in either a burnous, or burqa
    can stroll, virtually masked, through the Airport Check Points at either SFO or LAX, carrying a smoking carpet bag full of C4 and they
    will not be stopped for fear of offending them, or their religious sensitivites.

    It is not the very elderly American born 84 year old
    white great-grandmother, being shown pysically patted down, or molested – (As in last week’s National Press) or being ‘felt up’ who intends to blow up the airliner on which she intends to travel herself.

    Obama and his crazed czars have the avowed intend to subvert this country, destroy it entirely, and establish their own fascistic World Order. Meantime like in Ancient Rome this country collapses whilst the Senators and Congress are “On the fiddle” robbing the citizens they proclaim to protect.

    Meantime three cheers for political and economic stupidity, the leit mofif of the Obama adminstration.
    Sic transit gloria.

    • Dan az

      H James
      I believe that all of this is nothing more than Big Bro closing the gates on the sheepie. With the next being on the trains and buses there will be nobody that will escape the prison that they are creating.Even our cars today can be controlled by satellite and your phones give them the gps they need to see where you are.Call me paranoid but the list just keeps on growing.

  • klesb

    TSA has never been about airport security. From its inception, it has been about the “appearance” of security in order to encourage the “sheep” to travel after 9-11.

    • 45caliber

      I’m beginning to believe you are right.

  • MR.Washington

    “Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples’ liberty’s teeth.”
    George Washington

  • Norm
  • Dr. Mabuse

    This whole situation is totally ridiculous…
    How can we as Americans be safe (or safer)
    when our borders are still wide open?
    This whole exercise is just another example of command and control.

    • Norm

      Dr. Mabuse
      The Portland Oregon Christmas bomber didn’t cross any borders.

      • Warrior

        Norm, who won “dancing with the stars”? I missed it.

  • http://none Mike

    People wake up!!!! This has become a national joke here lately. We are like the rape victim that goes to the police and is told well if you dressed that way you deserved it.We at one time were a soverign people here in the united states.We respected one another and were respected in turn.Now we are repressed in the name of politicle correctness. And it seems to me we are just going along with it. This pratice needs to be ended. Its a total erosion of one of our last rites.The right to our very bodies. X-Ray scans back scatter or otherwise are dangerous. No matter how you cut it they are delivering a dose of radiation to the human body. The doctor has you places a led pad over your privats for a reason.The TSA dosent even offer you this protection for you or your family. Not only are you subject to a dose of radiation when scanned you get a dose while you are standing in line. Ever Think about that?
    Stand and be groped if you dont want to die of cancer or you dont want 3 eyed children. Its a violation of the 4th amendment at the very least. We are now concidered guilty untill proven innocent. Which is a complete reversal of the last 200years of justice in our country.When is it that the suspect in most plane problems went from middle eastren born people to the avarage american plane traveler? I say it was when we allowed ourselves to become subject to the TSA and other organizations demands for politicle correctnes. Now they see that we are wide open to almost anything in the name of safty.We must stand up now or be lead to the pens for slaughter at some future date because we are a danger to the state. Thoes of us that cry out the loudest will probly be first. But thoes of you that agree on the TSA mesures arent safe either in this brave new world we are being lead into. You may think so now but what happens when something you like to do,read, listen too or eat becomes politically incorrect? Thoes of us that stood up to this might not be around to slow your decent into the chamber then.We have seen this all before Germany was to blame for the deaths of millions because they allowed themselves to be lead down the road of believing in a utopiean socity. Thoes that do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Wake Up Now and stand up against this!!!Or go back to sleep and end up dead at some later date. Mike L.

    • 45caliber

      But the government is just trying to protect all us people!

      And if you believe that, I’ve got a deal for you!

      • http://none Mike

        45, Still trying to hock that bridge. :) I just wish some of the whiners here would wake up! I just dont see where they dont understand that whats being done to us is conditioning for futher control. Thoes folks will have it comming one of these days when the man comes for them lol. They might wish they had listend then. Mike L.

    • guest

      Great post! I recall the first year of obama in office..remember what we americans were told..those who were against abortion..beleived in the right to bear arms..beleived in the constitution..beleived in smaller governemnt..all all who cherished these belief’s were said to be ‘rightwing terrorist’s’. Obama truely does consider the american ppl. to be his enemies and he feels the need to punish them. We all know this is not about our safety..but about control.Obama gave the order for this humililation and sexual molestation of our children. I am somewhat crippled so can not do this but what if someone or many with a camera took photo’s of small children with the tsa hands between their legs as well as taking photo’s of the cripples and those in wheelchair’s..a photo of of a tsa with his hand’s between grandma’s legs..and took out an ad in the new york times or other newspaper’s with many many of these photo’s(an entire page of these photo’s) Would there be any shock value in doing this?

  • Karolyn

    Much ado about nothing! You notice there were no problems over the Thanksgiving weekend. As far as the little boy is concerned, his father took off his shirt and didn’t even make a fuss. I don’t fly anyway. I do believe, however, that we need to take a page from the Israelis’ tactics. They do a very short interview with everybody and have had no problems. I guess our people aren’t astute enough to handle that. I can just see Mr. Crystal’s face when something like this happens. Oh, the glee! Something more to bitch about!

    • http://none Mike

      Karolyn, Sorry your either blind or you have bought the agenda hook,line and sinker.Lets run you through a few dosen X-Ray scans a year and se how well you fare in 5 years time. And I am sure the next time you have to go to the bus station to travel or maby hit one of thoes road side checkpoints.You will absoulutely love being patted down or plesently groped by your police state.In other words when they come for you I may allready be gone. Mike L.

  • http://none Mike

    Now for some real life solutions for thoes of you who are of the opinion I am just spewing nonsence and hate.
    What you can do about security at airports and oher places that require heavier security than that employed by your bank.1 Dogs, Specially trained police dogs can be trained to smell out anything from drugs to explosives. They can be placed in discreet locations around the cargo areas and bording areas. Dog reacts to a person or object you now have probable cause to serch said person or object. This is in accordance with the 4th amendment.2 Secondary redundent mechanical sniffers.These mechanical devices also have a feture that dogs or human serches do not. They can detect chemical and biological devices in addition to explosives.3 Leave the metal dectors in place. These devices can stop most weapons and devices from being carried onto planes. Metal detector reacts you now have probabale cause to serch that person. Again completely in accordance with the 4th amendment.4 Profileing. This can be done even without the racial part. Avarage travellers carry luggage and dont pay for their tickets last minute with cash provided by a third party(get a clue )Travel records provide clues to a persons intent. Most of us do not travel 1 way without baggage or personal affects(get a clue)All of these types of danger signs can lead to probable cause to serch said person. There is that peskey 4th amendment again.5 Re-enforce cargo areas of planes. That way they can be engineered to withstand or mitagate the effects of explosive devices. Sounds far fetched but its not Kevlar and other fabrics are light weight and puncture resistant. Dragon skin can disapate energy quickly over large areas. Thus mitagating explosions.6 Last but not least armed airmarshells. These people can be trained to recognize danger signs in a persons behavior. And most of them can hit the torso of a target at 25 paces .The longest distance you are going to reach in most plane compartments. And even if they dont hit the target the bullets used can be bithmus. This material when hitting a soft target remains intact and if it hits hard surfaces shatters to dust.Most millatary personell are traind in hostage situations as well.Makeing them almost perfect canidates for air marshels.This would solve any of the problems that make it past all other security mesures. And Dam it wouldent inconvience the ordanairy every day air traveller in the least. So again I say People wake up. These current mesures being taken have nothing to do with security. And everything to do with control. Mike L.

  • Another Voice

    If all this ‘groping’ had been implemented during Bush’s regime, there wouldn’t be any outcry about it at all. Oh well, now the Republicans can’t say that Obama is soft on terrorists!

    • http://none Mike

      Another of the sit down shut up and take it crowd. No I would have said what I did no matter who was in charge of it. Its people like you who finger point and he said she said all the time that really do nothing about it. That forces some of us who might stand for your right to have an opinion to have to fight that much harder.Ill ask you this. Whats your favorite Vice? And when it comes under attack what do you do about it? If the answer is cower in the corner and do nothing then you are weak and require defending. Mike L.

      • Dan az

        Hey mike
        Very good at both counts.But what are you doing to the liberals minds giving them facts and logic that is considered abuse.Oh well!

    • Dave M

      You must be the last person who still believes there is a difference between the Dems and the Repuplicans. Obama is done, over, yesterdays news.

    • JC

      AV That is about as twisted as it gets.
      You mean if “Bush did it” no one would complain?
      I think the issue is the invasion of privacy and gestapo tactics.
      EVERYone should be complaining no matter who did it.
      What is WRONG with you (Obamunists) people?

    • guest

      To the one who wished to balme bush..yet again.The fact’s are this is 2010..Obama has been in office for 2 year’s.He own’s the state we american’s are in. 2 years of this monster in office and look at us!! We have a state where american’s are being killed..raped..kidnapped and stolen from and Obama refuses to lift a finger to close the border. As a result we have millions and millions of illegal’s in our country..millions and millions of dollar’s have been taken from medicare to pay for these illegal’s housing..food and medical care and college while those who play by the rules go hungry and can’t find a doctor who will repair a broken shoulder because medicare doesn’t pay. Now the government wishes to take about 3000$ a year in taxes.Can one image 3000$ taken from them? Along with the rising cost of food..electricity..gas..and out of pocket medical expenses. The middle class will quickly be impoverished! All our hard work and effort down the toilet so that the governemnet can take our money and give it to their rich friends and the illegal aliens. We all know how our government totally wastes the money of the american ppl.

  • Jack Magurn

    What really makes my blood boil is the dichotomy of the lunatic left. While TSA is groping passengers, teachers and crossing guards are FORBIDDEN give children under their charge innocent hugs of comfit or reassurance. Smoking cigarettes has been demonized and curtailed while attempts are being relentlessly pursued to make smoking marijuna legal and unregulated. Condoms and abortions are available to schoolchildren but bringing an asprin to school subjects you to suspension. This would be really funny if it wasn’t so sad!

    • libertytrain

      Jack, very nicely said.

  • Samkd

    To Another Voice… Your really living in la-la land, if you think that the American people would not have objected to this type of infringement on their rights during the Bush Administration. This is not a political party matter, it is a matter of commom sense, which unfortunately it appears that the current administration and it’s Transportatio Department heads and policy makers do not understand..
    We live in a dangerous world and it’s not just the Islamist that we have to fear, but government control itself..

  • http://com i41

    That little smuck up in liberal Oregon, should be given the Apache interrigation method. Strip him, suspend him over a pit loaded with teased rattlesnakes. When his back muscles get tired, his body will bow down. Getting closer for a snake strike in his mid section, he will talk after a bit, then try putting him in a cell with a couple of queers over night, then try waterboarding. Check to see if stories match. If not repeat as often as needed, he has to be associated with some muslim freaks in Oregon..

    • 45caliber

      Serve him a pork dinner as well.

      • JC

        Actually that`s an idea, along with dumping pig carcasses on potential mosque sites.

  • http://Yahoo.com Sue C

    Ben Crystal: Fascism, and Communism were part of America, long before you were born. America talks DEMOCRACY, but it practices COMMUNISM, AND THAT IS AS OLD AS AMERICA. So, stop talking Nonsense, and tell Americans how to find solutions to problems, any topic. We are tired of White Man’s Talk! We want some ACTION!!!!! The kind that will make the USA a Prosperous Place. Get off The Millions of FOLLOWERS’ Bigotry/Racist Pedestal, AND START SPEAKING SOMETHING THAT MAKES SOME “SENSE”.

    AMERICA DOES NOT NEED FOOLS, AND IT APPEARS AS IF THAT IS ALL WE HAVE! WE WANT WISE MEN, AND KNOW FOR SURE, WISDOM, AND FOLLY ARE LIKE WATER, AND OIL, AND THE SLICK OIL ALWAYS STAY ON TOP OF THE WATER. (IT IS WATER THAT SUSTAINS LIFE, NOT OIL!!!!! SO IF YOU WANT A BETTER AMERICA, YOU HAVE TO REMOVE OIL, WHICH IS *(BIGOTRY, RACISM, FAVORITISM, COVETOUSNESS, GREED, AND EVERY OTHER VICE THAT YOU CAN FIND TO ADD TO THE LIST), FROM ABOVE THE WATER, SO THAT AMERICA CAN LIVE AGAIN)!

    OIL AND WATER EXIST, SIDE BY SIDE, BUT THEY NEVER MIX. FOR US TO SURVIVE, WE HAVE TO THROW OFF THAT WHICH SO EASILY CAUSE US TO FAIL/FALL, AND HOLD FAST TO THAT WHICH GIVES LIFE, “WATER!” STOP BEING A BIGOT/RACIST, JOIN YOUR HANDS WITH ALL PEOPLES IN YOUR COUNTRY, TO BUILD IT UP, ONCE AGAIN.

    LAST, BUT NOT LEAST OF ALL: AMERICA IS IN THIS CURRENT POVERTY STRICKEN STATE, BECAUSE WE DO NOT GET ALONG AS HUMAN BEINGS; WE ARE AN AFFRONT, AND AN INSULT TO THE MOST HIGH GOD, WHO MADE US IN HIS IMAGE, AND LIKENESS, AND WE BEHAVE LIKE LESSER CREATURES. WE HAVE COURTED THIS DISASTER WITH ZEAL, AND WE CAN EXPECT DESTRUCTION, IF WE DO NOT TURN FROM OUR WICKED WAYS. WHITE MAN! YOU ARE THE ONE WHO EXALTED MOST OF THE FOLLY, THAT BROUGHT THIS NATION DOWN. IT IS TIME FOR YOU TO REPENT, AND TURN FROM YOUR PERNICIOUS EVIL WAYS, OR WE ARE NOT GOING TO GET UP FROM THIS ECONOMIC DOWNFALL. (I NOTICED, YOU CALLED IT, ECONOMIC “DOWNTURN”

    WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE FOOLING. YOU HAVE EVERYTHING TO LOSE, BECAUSE YOU OWN EVERYTHING, SO YOU BETTER GET YOUR HOUSE IN ORDER, OR GOD IS NOT AMERICAN, AND HE IS NOT A WHITE MAN. HE RESPECTS NO ONE! BUT IF “ANYONE” CONSULTS WITH HIM, HE GIVES SPECIFIC GUIDANCE, AND INSTRUCTIONS, TO THEM, AND THEY ARE ABLE TO ARISE FROM THE PATH OF FOLLY. YOU HAVE NEED FOR GOD, TO KEEP WHAT YOU HAVE, OR YOU ARE WALKING IN A FOOLS’ PARADISE! WAKE-UP!!!! NOTE: I WOKE UP!!!!

    • FireMall

      Sue C: Just trying to clarify exactly Who you are preaching to here.
      The Choir/ “We The People” or the Enemies within Dot gov that you so very eloquently describe in your post ?
      “If” it’s “We The People’s” Choir, your yelling at here , I suggest you not be judging them so harshly. God Is on “Our” side already.
      “If” your post is not directed to us in said choir, Would you please forward you post to http://WWW.Dot Gov/Obama ?
      Notice: I will warn you that sending such harsh & truthful words describing Obama & his gangees can & likely will result in you being written into the “Book of Obama” as a disobedient combatant.

  • leofa

    The pigs in this country are out of control. They do whatever they want to whoever they want and usually get away with it. If you live in texas congressional district 68 then vote for me(Anderson) and I will do what I can to make those who abuse their power pay.

    • Christin

      Where is District 68?

  • Dave M

    Has anyone ever thought of getting half a dozen people together and line up for the pat down and, as soon as they start, lay a beating on the goons?

    • Karolyn

      My, how adult of you! Just like a man. Violence solves everything.

      • Dave

        OK there split tail, what is your solution?

        • Karolyn

          Oh, yeah, Dave, I can just see you with a bunch of your own goons attacking TSA people. Right! Get real!

      • Dave

        You know, thinking about what you have said and all, it makes me want to puke. Gutless people is what let guys like Hitler get into power. Why don’t you stuff it where the sun don’t shine. Better yet report me to the “authorities” like a little commie/nazi do gooder.

      • FireMall

        Karolyn : I fully understand your disdain for violence. I agree with you –To the point when talking becomes nothing but taunting accusations & BS leading to no where.
        However; The founding fathers saw a need & responsibility to resort to violence in the early days of America. Why ? Because the enemies of young America also saw the need for violence by their own choosing.
        Apathy to the fact that situations sometimes come to a violent point when one & sometimes, both opposing parties refuse to acknowledge the other’s position.
        So, I nominate you to be the Peace talker while the True Americans that would never wish harm on anyone , take up their arms in defense of those who Do wish “We The People” harm .
        “Our” coming fight to save the Founding Principles of America would Include yourself & other Talk it out folks while “We” fight for your Rights also, to keep Talking things out.
        “We The People” are so close to the final solution in the covert war against us that Talk is no longer a viable option & Tolerance only serves to strenghten the enemies agenda against All True Americans.
        I hope you & others of like minds can see the critical importance of what the Big Picture is saying while “We” are doing exactly what the enemy expected “We The People” to do or not do regarding resisting the enemy within.
        There comes a time when one tries to think of any possible way to get away from a bar fight & may still have to Fight one’s way out the door to get away from the fight inside.
        And please remember, “We” Have “Spoken” often & loudly while “They” Silently ignored & condemned “Our” right to do so.. Sound Familiar ?? The Sounds of a fight can also be considered Talking out differences too. “we” have made the first gestures, it’s now “their” turn to reciprocate, Listen and Act in kind, or suffer exactly what they wish upon “We The People”. And I Pray to God “We” win. Amen.
        So , Who will be the responsible side when the Fight for Freedom breaks out ??

        • Karolyn

          BS

          • FireMall

            Haven’t been around Real world situations much have ya ?? Try reading up on some World History, maybe my “BS” will soak in far enough for you to at least acknowledge someone else’s position other than your own.
            I had the respect to acknowledge your position against violence. Why ? Because I “Agreed With You” that it’s the first step one has to take when starting a dialog. So,as I stated in my previous reply to you, I’m done talking when Talking morphs into what you say is BS.. Now, you are now Free to continue to live in your Utopia of Peaceful Talk, while the entire world burns down around you. good Luck , best wishes and Tell Obama howdy for me. OK ??
            Lastly: Sorry for trying to explain the cold hard facts of life to someone who is in denial of what atrocities their fellow mankind are “Historically” / {Key Word} capable of.
            P.S.– BS makes great fertilizer. You have my permission to use My Op as such in your vast Garden of Knowledge & open Mindedness . Later on it will surely promote the growth of a seed & grow into a Fruit called “Perception” within an open mind, & Later, If your Hungering for such an enlightening entre, I promise growth in all you sew & reap in the future.
            Adios from Stickville Texas.

          • Karolyn

            Fire – I have consistently listened to other positions and am about as open-minded a person as you could find. I have even begun questioning some of my own perceptions since debating on this site. I really do get what you are syaing. However, there comes a point where the only thing I can think to say is BS. I only see violence begetting more violence ad infinitum. There has to be more change in this society and world than can happen in the short time we have been here in order for this to be a more peaceful and just world; but you gotta start somewhere. I just will not sink to the level of using violence as a pat answer to our ills. Your words are very lofty; however, I believe I see an even bigger picture than you. I think more globally and universally.

          • Denniso

            Firemall says e can resort to violence because the hallowed ‘founders’
            did exactly that. Maybe he doesn’t know that other countries have gained independence by more peaceful means,and just because the founders did it doesn’t make it right or even practically speaking,correct. Canada and Australia both became independent countries from the same mother country,England,w/o a major war. Is it coincindental that those 2 countries are still more peaceful and harmonious than we are? I don’t think it’s accidental. I think the bloody beginning to this country still shadows our culture and society
            in the modern workings of the world and here at home.

            Most people are blinded by a shallow reverence to the founders as
            virtual gods,to the real motives of the founders,who were mostly the educated elites and relatively rich business men who had vested interests in getting rid of the Brittish taxation and control of the markets. They wanted the control that the Brittish had.

            If the founders were alive today,they would mostly be hated by the rightwingers as they loathe the so called elites of today.

          • Denniso

            oops…’we’.

          • Denniso

            Karolyn, your comment is the hallmark of most non rightwing hate spewing zealots…you’re open minded! The only problem is that sometimes we can be too open minded and question ourselves too much and wind up ineffective in what has really become a war between the hard right and the rest of us,for the soul of the country. But,given the choice, I certainly prefer being open minded as opposed to closed
            up like a clam as most rightwingers are.

    • JC

      I’d like to see just one old Vet still in good shape break some TSA prick’s jaw for touching his johnson. In fact I’d pay good money to see that. :)

      • Denniso

        If a plane is taken down w/ 200 people in it by terrorists,and it’s because the gov’t has backed off on screenings,you’d be the first to scream that Obama and the TSA should be hanged.

  • Lewis Munn

    Probably not. We are a nation of sheeple.

    If a group did, there would be murderous gunfire and total slaughter of the group before the rest of the passengers, who would doubtless flee and be gunned down at the closed security gate. Few people would fly commercial then.

    And politicians would be clamoring for pre-screening screening. And courses starting in Kindergarten, perhaps replacing History, in proper obedience to ALL a government person says, no matter what.

    And in the photos and the movie re-enactments for public consumption, it would be shown that all the passengers had smuggled guns in, and the TSA people were totally innocent victims. And the party not in power was 100% guilty and should be banned forever from politics.

  • Lewis Munn

    We have not yet had to face what Israel has to face all the time. I do think we could learn a lot from them, if we did not have so many antisemetics in Government, and perhaps in our general populace.

  • FireMall

    Hey folks, I have an idea how to cure this cancerous infestation.

    Let’s just keep ranting about how to treat the symptoms while the Illness is migrating to ‘All” other parts of Dot Gov.
    Why in Gods Great name are the Enemies / Illness within America allowed to create the symptoms while the Root Illness is being Totally Ignored by “We” Know WHO ?
    Need any Further explanations regarding Who’s Who ? Or do “We” keep biatching about the soreness & induced Fatigue when the Cancer is invading America’s Heart & Soul.
    Mark my words, keep on playing into Dot “O” Gov’s Diversion / Division / Denial game and America’s last option to Survive the Cancerous Tumors growing within America’s Body / Dot Gov “Will” be a Total MastoEnemyectomy within America’s Body of Freedom and Complete “Radiation Eradication” abroad.
    Nuff Said— Good Night my Fellow Americans & Sleep well, while you still have “Choices”.

  • Arnold P.

    This video shows that the US military camps in Iraq does not use scanners, the FBI main office does not use it either. The Israeli airport security and Russia does not use scanners or groping.

    What do they have in common? They use trained sniffing dogs.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMlDVLlAEUU&feature=player_embedded

    • FireMall

      You forgot one important & very functional part of the no-scan agencies.
      It’s one of those Taboo words , I’m pretty sure but , but, uh –
      OMG– my PC instincts say I can’t say it.

      Uh-Uh- bah-uh ————”Profiling” . ouch that really stung bad. LOL

      • Dan az

        FireMall
        I always enjoy your post Keep it up its needed here!

  • Denniso

    I’m a little amused that the writer of this article equates torture w/ screening people who board planes. I don’t quite get the comparison. How about comparing screening to picking up body parts from the wreckage after the terroists did their work on 9/11. If people are so bothered about the invasive screening,then they can drive,take a train or bus,or horror of horrors,stay home. No one is forced to fly,and if there is another plane hijacking or bombing most people will feel differently about the pat downs.

    No one is being tortured against their will w/ airport screenings,as compared to real torture. If Ben Crystal doesn’t think waterboarding is a big deal,why doesn’t he volunteer to show us how much a piece of cake he thinks it is.

    • JC

      Didn’t notice the comparison…why don’t you put a quote up where we can see it?

      And look at you go with your pseudo concern for everyone’s safety.
      You’re simply an advocate of Big Brother. You always have been.

    • FireMall

      Hmmm ?/ Let me see if I can say this without offending anyone .
      How many ways does one need to hear & see something that Millions already are seeing even before the Big Picture is clear enough to visualize ?
      One more try, It’s not about Security, Groping, Screening, wthe.
      It’s about the Subliminal Message in the Big Picture & commercials selling America’s Freedom to the first caller. AS IN—–
      Hello, Is that you , Obama ? No , It’s George Soros and I already Own the rights to American’s Freedoms. Mark it up as Sold and post notices that it will never be a marketable item again on the Screen of America’s Big Picture. Do It or Else , no one ,will be allowed to ever fly anywhere again.

      What I’m trying to tell “Some” here is—Turn the Dam Tv on if you ever hope to see the Big Picture showing before it’s banned & Burned.

      • Dan az

        FireMall
        I probably wouldn’t turn it on even if I could, I get all the info I need right here!I know that time is running out and when this site goes of the air then I know exactly what to do and I wont have to sit through all of the BS.We will never understand the logic of those who disagree but they will know sooner or later that we where not wrong.

  • Lar

    Let’s do it. Let’s STOP flying. Screw it, let’s start driving and using the trains. Let’s shut down the airports until they get the message. The left are screwing up this country worse than the Republicans did.

    • denniso

      Drive,take trains or buses? Sure, but where in hell do you get that it’s the ‘left’ causing the controversy w/ screening? The TSA was started under Bush,and they are acting independently in trying to keep another terrorist plot from being successful. We can argue over the degree of invasion of privacy acceptable and people can always choose not to fly, but blaming the ‘left’ in this instance is sheer nonsense.

      • JC

        It’s a communist policy. Figure it out.

        • Denniso

          Oh, I get it!! Obama the communist and his buddies,who suffered rightwing abuse for bailing out capitalist companies,are instituting such invasive airport policies that people will stop flying and the airlines will go broke and then the cities that have them will collapse and then the states will implode, and then,the entire capitalist country will fall into a giant crack in the earth and disappear,leaving only the true communists alive to survive and prosper in a communist utopia. Wow, what an insight into airport security. Thanks for the vitally important info.

          Funny, I thought that obama was trying to save the airlines from a disasterous bombing that would send an economic shock wave through the country and cripple the airlines,like what happened after 9/11.
          Silly me…

  • http://FarTooMuch.Info Russ Lemon

    TSA employees have not been changing gloves after every grope. i.e., that glove touching your genitals may have touched several other genitals before yours.

    http://www.naturalnews.com/030495_TSA_infectious_disease.html

    • Karolyn

      They’re not touching genitals!!!!!!

      • 45caliber

        Have you been on a plane trip lately??

        • libertytrain

          She doesn’t fly at all so therefore definitely is in the know on this one…. :)

      • JC

        Oh but they ARE! What bubble are you living in? Where do you think all the backlash is coming from and why don’t you stop taking the meds? ;)

  • Pat G.

    If you really want to get past the lascivious TSA gropers without being “officially” molested, simply don some Muslim-looking garb and begin spouting unintelligible sing-song prayers as you approach them. I’m confident that’ll be enough to make those bully boys and girls shove their hands in their pockets and adopt a sheepish look as they give you a pass. After all, they’re well aware of which side their falafel is buttered on.

  • JC

    It had to happen. Someone wrote a country song about the TSA.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9a8jGVXOMsw

  • Eric Bischoff

    While we are busy arguing about being groped.

    Republicans filibustered 16 different proposed tax cuts in the last couple of years. The only one they want is the one for the rich. They want to extend the expiring Bush tax cuts.

    Meanwhile 2 million people just lost their unemployment benefits today just in time for xmas. But hey screw them we don’t want to be a socialism like system that helps people in trouble. We ‘re too busy helping corporate america giving them zero interest loans even if they don’t need it.

    I am sure that you’ll hear different versions of this and many attacks on it but in the end the guy who did something for us is the most progressive guy in the US government today. BERNIE SANDERS. The guy who forced Bernanke to reveal where the Bush bailout money went. And then they discovered that there was a lot more, a hell of a lot more, Trillions more. Did you see the list even McDonalds got money. Did you get any money?

    “After years of stonewalling by the Fed, the American people are finally learning the incredible and jaw-dropping details of the Fed’s multi-trillion-dollar bailout of Wall Street and corporate America. As a result of this disclosure, other members of Congress and I will be taking a very extensive look at all aspects of how the Federal Reserve functions and how we can make our financial institutions more responsive to the needs of ordinary Americans and small businesses.

    What have we learned from today’s disclosure? And, this is based on a 4 hour examination of over 21,000 transactions. We have learned that the $700 billion Wall Street bailout signed into law under George W. Bush turned out to be pocket change compared to the trillions and trillions of dollars in near zero interest loans and other financial arrangements the Federal Reserve doled out to every major financial institution in this country. Among those are Goldman Sachs which received nearly $600 billion; Morgan Stanley which received nearly $2 trillion; Citigroup which received $1.8 trillion; Bear Stearns which received nearly a trillion; and Merrill Lynch received some $1.5 trillion in short term loans from the Fed.

    We have also learned that the Fed’s multi-trillion bailout was not limited to Wall Street and big banks, but that some of the largest corporations in this country also received a very substantial bailout. Among those are General Electric, McDonald’s, Caterpillar, Harley Davidson, Toyota, and Verizon also received a bailout from the Fed.

    Perhaps most surprising is the huge sum that went to bail out foreign private banks and corporations including two European megabanks — Deutsche Bank and Credit Suisse – who were the largest beneficiaries of the Fed’s purchase of mortgage-backed securities.

    Deutsche Bank, a German lender, sold the Fed more than $290 billion worth of mortgage securities and Credit Suisse, a Swiss bank, sold the Fed more than $287 billion in mortgage bonds. Has the Federal Reserve of the United States become the central bank of the world?

    The Fed said that this bailout was necessary to prevent the world economy from going over a cliff. But, three years after the start of the recession, millions of Americans remain unemployed and have lost their homes, life savings and ability to send their kids to college. Meanwhile, big banks and corporations have returned to making huge profits and paying their executives record-breaking compensation packages as if the financial crisis they started never happened.

    What this disclosure tells us, among many other things, is that despite this huge taxpayer bailout, the Fed did not make the appropriate demands on these institutions necessary to rebuild our economy and protect the needs of ordinary Americans.
    For example, at a time when big banks have nearly a trillion dollars in excess reserves parked at the Fed, the Fed did not require these institutions to increase lending to small and medium sized businesses as a condition of the bailout.

    At a time when large corporations are more profitable than ever, the Fed did not demand that corporations that received this backdoor bailout create jobs and expand the economy once they returned to profitability. I intend to investigate whether these secret Fed loans, in some cases, turned out to be direct corporate welfare to big banks that used these loans not to reinvest in the economy but rather to lend back to the federal government at a higher rate of interest by purchasing Treasury Securities.

    The Federal Reserve claimed that these loans were needed so that big banks could start lending to small and medium sized businesses that desperately needed money to create jobs and to prevent layoffs. But, instead of using this money to reinvest in the productive economy, I suspect a large portion of these near zero interest loans were used to buy Treasury Securities at a higher interest rate providing free money to some of the largest financial institutions in this country. That is something that we have got to closely examine.

    At a time when Wall Street executives are now making more money than before the financial crisis, how many big banks that paid back TARP funds in 2009 to avoid limits on executive compensation received no-strings attached loans from the Federal Reserve?
    At a time when millions of Americans are paying outrageously high credit card interest rates, why didn’t the Fed require credit card issuers to lower interest rates as a condition of the bailout?

    The four largest banks in this country (Bank of America, JP Morgan Chase, Wells Fargo, and Citigroup) issue half of all mortgages in this country. We now know that these banks received hundreds of billions from the Fed. How many Americans could have remained in their homes, if the Fed required these bailed-out banks to reduce mortgage payments as a condition of receiving these secret loans?

    But hey that’s why there’s no money for you fools. That’s why we can’t extend unemployment, that’s why we want to cut social security, ask you to work longer and that is why we want to cut education and arts funding.

    • Bleh

      I am curious, did not the Democrats have a Majority? Did they not pass the Health Insurance Bill against Republican opposition?
      Yes you must say, Indeed you must.

      No reason then that they couldn’t pass some tax cuts of their own if they wanted.

  • Eric Bischoff

    So corporate america and the rich got Bush bailout money, they also got trillions of zero interest loans, they got Bush tax cuts for the last 10 years.

    WHERE ARE THE JOBS ASS HOLES?

    WHERE ARE THE JOBS?

    ARE THEY COMING ANYTIME SOON?

    OH I forgot you need more tax cuts and then maybe we’ll get jobs!!!!!

    • Bleh

      Don forget, Obama Voted for the bailouts as a Senator. He is not innocent.
      Most of them on the Hill are guilty. Dems and Repubs alike.

  • who cares

    you F$%^&#%& cry babies One year ago Christmas 2009, right winger were whining about not enough airport security, remember Christmas bomber. you were whining about Obama. “Obama is not keeping us safe”. Now you whining over TSA checks what do babies want?? Bush kept us safe except 9-11 it dont count, and envelopes with anthrax that only Democrats received. Eight of Bush bullsh$^ blame Bush, and republican’s they let 9-11 happen so they have a reason to invade Iraq for its Oil. Hey what happen to Bush friend osama?? Your Obstructionist clan are back in power and to help you out for christmas Holidays they wont extend unemproyment benefits for the Liberal, Democrats. I guess every person who vote’s or supports republican is either rich or very well off, and all have jobs. go to wikipedia type Bush family nazi conection

    • denniso

      it’s more than crystal clear now that the Repubs/rightwingers have only one political strategy…bitch and moan about absolutely everything Obama does and call him derisive names. If he works to help fix the economy,complain and call him a socialist…if he doesn’t intervene in the markets,complain and call him an elite who is out of touch.If he starts the withdrawl of troops in Iraq,complain that it’s too fast…if he leaves troops there then complain that he should bring them home. Whatever he does, the rightwing will try and tar and feather him at every step. Unfortunately, this tactic seems to work politically w/ large numbers of the population,even those who are sane.

      • Bleh

        That is what the Dems and you leftwingers did to Bush. How can you not accept fair play?
        You leftists seem not to get the clue that Obama has done nothing different than Bush aside from Dwarfing every other Administrations Deficit combined.
        He is a puppet who likes to spend just like Bush, get a clue.

        • Denniso

          9/11 happened 8 months after Bush took office…almost every American,including the Dems and ‘leftists’ came together and backed Bush in trying to avert an economic dip resulting from the shock of the attack. Almost all Dems supported Bush in the war against the Taliban in Afghanistan…Bush enjoyed wide support until he decided to wage a preemptive war on Iraq,lying about the so called WMD to stoke fear in the American people.

          Obama came into office in the middle of the biggest economic collapse in 80 yrs,and was immediately attacked by most of the rightwing and all the rightwing blabbers like Limbaugh,Savage,Beck…the rightwing didn’t look at the collapse as a time to come together for the good of the country,no they saw it as a chance to try to destroy the president.

          Just a little difference between how the 2 sides dealt w/ the prez of the other party. If you don’t remember or even know the facts,why not be honest,at least w/ yourself,and read the history of the past 10 yrs.

    • Bleh

      I think you are confused, no one I know cried about airport security, however I know a few that have complained about the Patriot Act and its clear violations of the Bill of Rights, not being re-pealed.
      The TSA new BS security is just more of the same.

      So lets get this out and clear.
      You, as an Anti-Bush guy, do you believe the 9/11 story as given by the Federal Government? If so how can you stand for Muslims getting what amounts to a free pass by the TSA?
      If you do not and you believe the Federal Government is at fault, how on earth can you stand for the TSA’s current actions at all?

      • Denniso

        Bush was certainly inept and incompetent, Rice and others may have been incompetent when warned about the fact that bin Ladden wanted to attack us at home, but no American leader would plan and pull off an attack like 9/11. The conspiracy theorists that say the gov’t was behind 9/11 are non thinking kooks. Simple…

  • SeaDragon

    As someone above said, “The TSA is doing their best…” Sadly, that statement is CORRECT! And they haven’t found a blessed thing! They are being paid to get their jollies and NEVER actually found anything. Let’s go to PROFILING! It works, look at Israel. Ah, but then those poor terrorists wouldn’t get their rights read to them, but wait! NONE of them that actually bombed things were actual citizens, so they don’t have rights!

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