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A War On The Truth

December 13, 2010 by  

A War On The Truth

Julian Assange is public enemy No. 1… and possibly Time‘s Person of the Year. The founder of the WikiLeaks website, which specializes in releasing the information Global Governance doesn’t want you to know, is either a traitor, a spy, a terrorist or a hero, depending on who is talking.

The release of diplomatic cables by WikiLeaks has embarrassed the ruling elite. It revealed that they are a cabal of petty, backbiting, untrusting and untrustworthy tyrants, eager to do or say anything to have their way and grow their empire. And that embarrassment is at the heart of the public uproar that has ensued since the cables were released.

The latest is, in fact, the second embarrassment. The first came earlier this year after WikiLeaks published a video of soldiers using a United States Army Apache helicopter to slaughter two Reuters photojournalists and a van full of Iraqi civilians that came to their aid… yucking it up all the while. Two children in the van were also injured.

The leaks show the result of a secretive, unaccountable and over-powerful government; a perfidious empire that seeks to rule the world by guile, cunning or force, if necessary. And the response by the United States government and by authorities in some of the U.S.’s puppet states — like Great Britain, which arrested Assange, and Sweden, which brought spurious charges of rape against him — demonstrate the length the ruling elites will go to suppress the truth.

Truth is the enemy of a totalitarian regime. Fooling, lying, spying: That is the way of the totalitarian regime. Fooling, lying to and spying on friends and enemies, and even worse, its own citizens.

There are bashers of President Barack Obama who will say this type of behavior is typical of someone like him — a man with a Marxist background and big-government, pro-communist sympathies. There are bashers of former President George W. Bush — a neocon who allowed a false-flag terrorist attack to occur on U.S. soil in order to spur passage of liberty-crushing legislation and stir up war passions — who will say that Obama inherited this mess, and it’s all Bush’s fault that Obama is caught up in it. There are defenders of both who will say that they were only trying to “protect” America and keep Americans safe.

The truth is WikiLeaks has exposed the evil of all-powerful government. It has exposed those in power for what they are: Agents of an entity that seeks to wield its might and influence to gain more might, influence and power.

Most seem surprised at this turn of events. They can’t believe that their government  — the government that was designed to “establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity” — could behave in such a manner.

They fall in with the corporate media — Big Government’s propaganda arm — and follow the idea that America has been harmed by this treasonous Assange. They cheer at the thought that the U.S. Justice Department is investigating to determine whether charges can be brought against the man who simply published information that was given to him by a source in government — a source that saw an opportunity to reveal that the real enemy of the American people is their own government. And they cheer some more at the thought that Congress might pass laws that will make what Assange did illegal… a tacit admission that what he did wasn’t.

For the corporate media, it’s okay if it reveals state secrets it received from anonymous sources. It’s just journalism if your name is The New York Times or the Washington Post or one of the alphabet soup networks. In fact, they are complicit in the release of WikiLeaks documents. The truth is, major media outlets around the world are working with WikiLeaks to release the documents.

There are many of us who aren’t surprised at what the cables reveal. We recognize that long ago the American Dream was stolen by an evil cabal of foreign banksters. These elite and powerful players operate on a different plane from the rest of us. They function without a moral compass, playing by the rules of money and control.

The powers of governments from all over the world are now bearing down on Assange. He claims the rape charges against him are a Pentagon-initiated smear campaign and that members of the Australian intelligence community warned him that such smears were coming. There is evidence that at least one of the two women at the center of the rape allegations against Assange is a Central Intelligence Agency operative or has ties to the CIA. This would seem to indicate that Assange’s claim holds some truth.

The evidence is compelling. According to reports in the British press, the woman helped bring Assange to Sweden for a speaking engagement and invited him to stay in her one-bedroom apartment in Stockholm. They went to dinner, then back to the apartment, where they had consensual sex. The woman’s complaint stems not from the sex, but from the failure of Assange’s condom, which she claims was a deliberate act by Assange.

The woman is known as a militant feminist who believes consensual sex is rape and has blogged that women should take revenge on their ex-lovers and make them suffer. The other victim’s story is equally dubious.

So, two of Assange’s one-night stands who were either there to set him up for a fall or were merely unhappy with his performance have cried rape. And Assange was charged with sex by surprise, whatever that means in Sweden.

For this, a warrant for Assange’s arrest was sent to Interpol, the worldwide police organization that can operate inside the borders of any country. Assange never went into hiding — told United Kingdom authorities he was in their country, in fact — but the corporate media played up the “massive manhunt” angle.

Pressure was brought to bear on PayPal, which accepted donations to WikiLeaks, to drop the site. It did. Pressure was brought to bear on the Swedish bank that held Assange’s legal defense fund. He can no longer pay for his own defense. Pressure was brought to bear on the New Hampshire firm Dyn, Inc., that hosted WikiLeaks, and the site was shut down. Pressure was brought to bear on MasterCard and VISA and they ceased handling WikiLeaks donations.

The U.S. Justice Department recently shut down a number of Websites it claimed were illegally peddling copyrighted music, videos and other products. It did so in a broad sweep, taking down sites that linked to music and videos and sites that just mentioned other sites, a move that demonstrates the U.S. government no longer cares for the rule of law.

The Federal government is also working to give itself the authority to shut down portions of the Internet, just like the government of Communist China does whenever it decides there is a threat to national security. Who decides whether there is a threat? The same fascists who were featured in the embarrassing WikiLeaks revelations.

Many are outraged that Assange would publish the secret government documents, and his actions are being portrayed as an irresponsible, willy-nilly release of state secrets.

The outrage should rightfully be directed at the policies the documents reveal, the people behind those policies and the efforts of governments around the world to shut down and control the free flow of information over the Internet.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American and author of The Bob Livingston Letter™, founded in 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • Michael J.

    Assange, who is by all accounts inspired by global leftist, will ironically be brought down by these same elitist. Textbook example of useful idiots being taken out once they have performed their alloted task. Having out lived their usefulness they become a liability because they know too much.

    • Thomas Clancy

      Michael J and Dragon Slayer,
      Good points! Assange is the classic scapegoat–very Noriega-like, or Oswald or the Ok City guy–all were recruits into a Faustian deal, presented as patriotic, that then turns against them. Of course, Osama was the great example, too. They end up knowing too much and are ripe for being demonized and betrayed.

      • mark

        Julian Assange is no scape goat. He brought this on himself. He did this for the money and that makes him worse. He is nothing but a greedy little man and what ever happens to him he deserves.

        • Bruce D.

          I agree with you on that Mark. It is one thing to expose a crime and another to expose someones dirty laundry. He knew what he was getting himself into.

          • Bill

            But in this country, the USA the [offensive word removed] stains on our national underwear are becoming more and more prevalent. I have mixed feelings, we have had things hidden from us a long time and I thing we need this, on the other side national security screams! but too so does fixed elections, we bust other country’s for this right, well its happened here just last month. Alaska, Nevada, Colorado, and just how many more. We have a president who will not lesson to the people dead set to destroy this country, a Hungarian billionaire who is trying to put a Scythe or Sickle and hammer in the hands of our government, A government totally out of control on spending and stopping the American rights to death jackboot stile, look at our airports, they allow Muslims to pass by untouched and feel up and take nude photos of Sister Mary from so and so church, what is that , afraid her bible will burst into flames in flight?? and rummer after rummer of FEAMA building prisoner or death camps as Hitler did? a president who wants to build his own privet army (sound like brown shirts) who pardons black panthers who are Illegally threatening people at voting booths and then declare how they need to kill some cracker babes! Augh right! and he pardons them, each day we see more cameras, more of the teachers in you life, you cant spank Johny for theaving or breaking the neighbour windows no more, if you do we will step in and take your children! now what the hell is that! and they wonder how come we got criminals, oh then they tell us we cant defend our homes and they look to be working, no actually frothing at the mouth to take our guns! and now they got the Hershey [offensive word removed] who want to teach all children in school there perverted way is normal? since when? Gays are an abnormality in all society’s not the norm. and they now stand up and say they should have first pick at jobs because there perverted? Hell No. THING IS WE MAY NEED PEOPLE LIKE THIS TO LET US KNOW WHAT IS HAPPENING. We are not going to get this info from any one else. God knows we need something some where to start the long hard trip to recover from the damages done to this land by all those beating this country to death. I don’t care what your views are or who’s side your on I think at this point we can all say this country has problems, I say in my opinion the largest right now is getting the southern border fenced off. and do some exporting but others may think other things are more Important first, say the removal of a Socialist Muslim not born here person masquerading as our president which he cant be because he weren’t born American, But all have there personal agenda here, thing is we all have it. we may need him!

          • Vicki

            Government secrets are to keep the people in the dark and allow the tyrants to build their traps. The founding fathers KNEW this and tried to prevent it as best they could. The MAIN purpose of the First Amendment limitations on CONGRESS is to prevent them from legislating against a free press and free speech in general. By doing so they expected journalists to be able to publicly write about what the government does. The government works for US. They are our EMPLOYEES. They can NOT have secrets from their employers.

            Military secrets are useful during the short time the tactical battle is happening. Once over (short time is less than a month btw).

            Our forefathers knew that the military would be a problem only if there was a standing army. If ALL of us were (and we are) in the militia then the military secrets needed for tactical battle would naturally be secret for the SHORT time the secrets were needed.

            Our forefathers also knew that foreign alliances would cause our government to have secrets as that is the way of most of the governments in the world. Hence they warned us to avoid foreign entanglements.

            Now as to wikileaks and dirty laundry I find with much amusement that it is Democrats (and their diplomacy) that are getting their ox gored by this. The military secrets should never have been.

          • Dave

            I just want to say that Bill is s nut job.

        • DaveH

          So you guys believe that our employees, the US Government, should be able to keep any secrets they want from we the employers?

          “What good fortune for governments that the people do not think” – Adolf Hitler.

          • Kate8

            DaveH – I agree with you.

          • USNpops

            “brought against the man who simply published information that was given to him by a source in government — a source that saw an opportunity to reveal that the real enemy of the American people is their own government. ”

            So we should give a medal to a member of the armed forces of the United States who violated his oath of enlistment, and his oath to secrecy when given Secret clearance by the military. And his give reaso being that he is gay and does not agree with the DADT policy of the military.

            When I was in the military, and given Top Secret Clearance, I certainly would never have given information to a foreign national, no matter what I thought about the political Climate. This fellow is a traitor, and should never see the light of day again.

            There was an old saying in the second world war, and I think it still is valuable to remember today. “Loose Lips Sink Ships”. And this situation could very well sink some ships, or get some of our troops killed.

          • Ben little eagle Stephens

            David H: I also agree with you Most of the Bearueaucrats that hod and have held the government seats in Washington that have been in theses seat sence the graduated from College and couldn’t hold a Blue coller job if there lifes depended on it and all of theses people have been in office way to many years and the younger ones comming into politics have verygood teachers to show them the way to sit on there Arsses and attend a meeting occasionally and be able to vote them selves big pay raises at any time they want. and retire with thousands of big bucks given to them by there piers that voted to do this the people have never in my 80 yrs. of being a Cetizen and Military person that retired with a minimal amout just enough to bearly keep you head above water and these people get a big pension the rest of there lifes just to set in a seat in the Congress or Senate or house and half the time don’t even do this which they are paid big buck to be representing us the people this Man the have Assange im not sure of the writing of his name but all he done was use his god given right as a citizen of America he used the 1st amemndment his right of freedom of speach to show the people of America and the world what type of crooks set in the guiding seates of the most powerfull Nation in the World and yes he is definately being used as a scape goat for the crooks in the White House Starting at the very top a person not even American . The founding fathers of this country have there graves a mess as all the turning in them for the crooks we the people let stay in these positions we NEEDTO CLEAN HOUSE FROM TOP TO BOTTOM AS WE USED TO SAY IN THE MILITARY A CLEAN SWEEP FROM TOP TO BOTTOM. A very disgusted disabled Korea and Vietnam Vet. that has seen this country in the past 80 yrs, go from trusting the people of it to haveing to lock your doors at night because if you don’t you may not be alive the next morning and i am still here to ltell you as a child you could leave your doors unlock and leave your home for a period of time and when you came home nothing was missing and your home was secure and if some one did happen to stop byand you were not at home they may make a sandwitch and glass of milk but there woud be coins or dollers left on the table with a note of thanks. this country continues to go to the Dogs.

          • Karolyn

            Ben – Are you implying that people who have been blue collar workers are bette than thos who have never worked in that capacity?

          • Maya

            Dear Ben,
            I agree with you that people like Assange are desperately needed in America. He’s not needed where i come from though because most ppl in my country are quite aware of the dirty business America’s been running here. We know that America’s manipulating our government, that the CIA killed our presidents in 1971 and in 1980. Now the dictator who’s been ruling our country for the last 30 years has learned the lesson, he obeys no one and cares for no one other than the US and Israel, he’d let his own ppl die or starve to death, he’d destroy mosques and hospitals and emprison everyone on election day so that his own party wins, just to keep himself and his son after him in the presidency. America’s happy with him for all he cares. To hell with the ppl. People in Gaza are starving to death, they have no electricity, no clean water, no medication, Israel has kept them under siege for over 2 years now and he still refuses to open our borders to them just to keep America happy with him….. We know all that, yet we love America!!!! we eat American food and pay thousands to give our children American education, we’re still wondering around searching for that American dream, we tell ourselves that it’s not the people of American who do that, and u know what? we’re right about that.

            People like Assange and John Perkins are great eye openers for the American ppl. I’ve been in the USA more than once and I met so many Americans in my life and I can tell you that there are much more good ppl in that country than the few bad one who unfortunately control the majority. I’m sure the goodness of that country will prevail some day and the real Americans will be heard. The beauty and kindness are the only things I do remember about them. Yes the crime rates are high but that’s because your government makes buying a gun and ammo easier than buying antibiotic for your sick child!!

            I just have one last comment about your ideas about Muslims: one of the greatest injustices I’ve witnessed myself in American is how your media is brain-washing you to hate Muslims and believe that they hate you right back. I am from Egypt a country with a majority of Muslims, and yes there are ppl who don’t like American here cuz of what I told you above, but the majority of Egyptians are celebrating American holidays even more than Egyptian and Islamic ones.. the bottom line is: MOST OF US DON’T HATE AMERICA… on the extreme opposite, we’re an incredibly Americanized society. Now about the nude photos of Holy Marry … I don’t know where you got that really, but I do know that Holy Mary is the most blessed and sacred woman in our religion (Islam). We have an entire chapter in the Quran with her name, telling her story. In our teachings, we believe in Jesus Christ, Moses, Abraham, Isac, etc.. and all of God’s messengers. Holy Mary is described in our book as the best and most sacred woman in history of mankind. No Muslim ever dares to offend her, otherwise, he’s NOT a Muslim. These are not my words, these are exact translations from the Quran. A Muslim is not a believer unless he believes in all of God’s messengers who came before Mohammed. This is a very common misconception in America. I had a Jewish friend there who honestly believed that we (Egyptian Muslims) hate Moses and justify what Pharaoh’s did to the Jews.. which is the OPPOSITE of what we believe: In our book, Pharaoh is cursed and dammed, while Moses is God’s prophet and messenger and we do believe in him. Even more, we pray 5 times a day because of Moses.

            My words might seem unrealistic to you, but it is the truth, the ultimate truth about religion: All 3 religions: Judaism, Christianity, and Islam came from one God to promote for one idea: “Oh mankind we have created you in males and females and made you in colors (races) and tribes SO YOU MAY KNOW ONE ANOTHER”(Quran) not fight one another, not kill one another and definitely not hate one another… if only ppl around the world would get this message !!!! this is why we’re created… Let us stand up to this Evil elite and tell them that they’ll not make any more fortunes by selling their weapons and death machines, let us not fall for their lies that ignite hate and war.

            DON’T HATE… EDUCATE.

          • Vicki

            USNpops says:
            “So we should give a medal to a member of the armed forces of the United States who violated his oath of enlistment, and his oath to secrecy when given Secret clearance by the military. And his give reaso being that he is gay and does not agree with the DADT policy of the military.”

            He also took an oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States of America. That oath was take FIRST and even if not it is the FIRST oath to follow. All the other oaths are contingent on that first oath. It is long accepted (if not popular) policy that any soldier has a DUTY to resist illegal orders.

            “When I was in the military, and given Top Secret Clearance, I certainly would never have given information to a foreign national, no matter what I thought about the political Climate. This fellow is a traitor, and should never see the light of day again.”

            The decision to follow your DUTY to the US Constitution first is not one to be taken lightly. However can you explain how exposing the graft and corruption of the DOMESTIC enemies of the US Constitution is traitorous I would be interested in hearing your logic.

            Secrets beyond the immediate need of a tactical battle only serve tyrants and dictators. As Maya pointed out US Government secrets are not to the rest of the world. Those secrets are only to keep the American people from knowing what their representatives are doing to them behind closed doors.

            “There was an old saying in the second world war, and I think it still is valuable to remember today. “Loose Lips Sink Ships”. And this situation could very well sink some ships, or get some of our troops killed.”

            Same rule. Military secrets are useful in the SHORT time that a tactical battle is to happen. After that the secrets only serve to protect the guilty.

          • Pete


          • Karolyn

            Maya – I am so glad you posted here. So many have the wrong idea about Muslims and judge you all by the extremists. We need more people to come out and educate the people of America that Muslims are not all out to kill Christians! Thank you.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            what is displaying these secrets slaughters say 100 or 1000 troops? does the end still justify the means??? These soldiers are innocent of any wrong doing yet they suffer a worse outcome than the creeps that made the secrets in the first place.

          • Vicki

            Maya writes:
            “Yes the crime rates are high but that’s because your government makes buying a gun and ammo easier than buying antibiotic for your sick child!! ”

            Since antibiotic for a sick child is available over the counter for MUCH less then the price of even a box of good ammo (Notible exception is 22cal long rifle) I presume you have been listening too much to liberals and not enough to the common sense you show by realizing that the American people are not bad as individuals.

            Ownership of guns by the people doesn’t create crime. Ownership of guns by the people DOES reduce crime.

          • Al Sieber

            Dave, good quote, famous, true, and it’s happening here. History is repeating it’s self. “those that don’t remember the past are condemned to relive it” George Santayana.

          • Bruce D.

            Peope here are exercising their thought process. There are some whose arrogance clouds their viewpoints and believe that their though process is always superior to that of others so it appears to them that others do not think.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            After reading Maya’s post, I have to wonder how many billions of dollars the US have given his country to keep them from being just a third world wasteland? Most of these countries that have anything, at one time had nothing, and the US fed them millions that became billions, then they protest against us. Just seems strange to me.

          • meteorlady

            Maya – going to assume you are in the middle east. If so, maybe if your people would stop teaching your children war and hate you might be able to feed your population and live without death and destruction.

          • Lewis Munn

            I, too, agree. We need to be able to speak plainly, and have our own opinions. It is getting pretty Orwellian around here now with what we can and cannot say anymore. And how people with opinions can be turned in and prosecuted for their beliefs!

        • Andee

          I disagree! He has been put up to this by the left wing “elite” and he will suffer at their hands also!

          Nothing regarding the treasonous/seditionist acts have been amongst these leaks as related to Obama and his cohorts.

          One thing they are after is to take out Hillary because she could beat him for the Dem nomination in 2012~

          If we look at the leaks closely, they will point out who and what they want to be rid of or raise enough questions that we will think they are not behind all of this.

          There has been no mention from the amoeba in chief of action against him…that only means one is for “his” benefit and to throw Americans off key so they do not watch another attack on our liberties being taken away and right now, it appears it is our children he is after……as well as all else…Nullify this presidency and now…demand that from the House.

          • Vicki

            Though I do agree this is a setup by democrats to get rid of some of their embarrassments I don’t think it is to just get Hillary. Most ANYONE should be a serious contender running against Obama.

          • Marten

            HILLARY, it’s hillarious…..we need Dr. Ron Paul….

          • Greg

            Maya and Karolyn
            tell me what realy are the muslims after?

    • Sally Li

      I find myself in disagreement with the above post, because I believe in what you might call “pluralism”!

      • Bruce D.

        I am not sure what you mean by that?


          She didn’t respond so I will suggest she means that any foreigner can be presidient of our country. Pluralism = the assorted many of all walks of life. I personally condemn her opinion.

      • Don

        So Sally, Do you have your ticket to leave the USA to go to one of the countries that operate like you want.


        This country is built on freedom of religious practice. Not the socialist church of a government like England. This also generated a war with England to gain our freedom from tyrannical government. If you read the Federalist Papers you can understand the principles the founding fathers used when setting up the Constitution Of the USA.

        • Patriot1776

          unfortunately we are ALREADY a socialist country!

          • Patriot1776

            Here is the Socialist party platform of 1928-
            We are all good little socialists! we just won’t admit it to ourselves! ALL of these things except #14 have been implimented. I wonder what else has been passed since then that you didn’t think were socialist ideas? Don’t get me wrong, I don’t support ANY of these or ANY other socialist ideas. I just wanted to show how socialist we already are!

            Socialist Party of America, Platform of 1928

            1. “Nationalization of our natural resources, beginning with the coal mines and water sites, particularly at Boulder Dam and Muscle Shoals.”
            2. “A publicly owned giant power system under which the federal government shall cooperate with the states and municipalities in the distribution of electrical energy to the people at cost.”
            3. “National ownership and democratic management of railroads and other means of transportation and communication.”
            4. “An adequate national program for flood control, flood relief, reforestation, irrigation, and reclamation.”
            5. “Immediate government relief of the unemployed by the extension of all public works and a program of long range planning of public works … All persons thus employed to be engaged at hours and wages fixed by bona-fide labor unions.”
            6. “Loans to states and municipalities without interest for the purpose of carrying on public works and the taking of such other measures as will lessen widespread misery.”
            7. “A system of unemployment insurance.”
            8. “The nation-wide extension of public employment agencies in cooperation with city federations of labor.”
            9. “A system of health and accident insurance and of old age pensions as well as unemployment insurance.”
            10. “Shortening the workday” and “Securing to every worker a rest period of no less than two days in each week.”
            11. “Enacting of an adequate federal anti-child labor amendment.”
            12. “Abolition of the brutal exploitation of convicts under the contract system and substitution of a cooperative organization of industries in penitentiaries and workshops for the benefit of convicts and their dependents.”
            13. “Increase of taxation on high income levels, of corporation taxes and inheritance taxes, the proceeds to be used for old age pensions and other forms of social insurance.”

            14. “Appropriation by taxation of the annual rental value of all land held for speculation”

    • James Hay

      Assauge Is The Kind Of Ultra-Leftist Garbage That Deserves To Be Executed And Deserverves All Of The Mistreatment That Be Heaped Upon Him Along The Way. ThE Security Of Nations And People Were Endangered By Assauge And He Rightly Deserves To Die Right Along With SpecIalist Manning. To Excuse Their Actions Is Ludicrous And Ridiculous.

      • http://personallibertydigest bryans

        this is the way of thinking by the society who murdered jesus ! read the facts in the fact book. its called the bible. when a society considers truth to be treason that society is in trouble !

        • Karolyn

          Do you think this guy is really interested in the truth or making a name for himself and tons of money? It all appears to be a tempest in a teapot at least right now. Who cares how public figures talk about each other behind their backs? Does anybody really think it doesn’t happen?

          • Bruce D.

            It is an ongoing story so I reserve the right to change my mind but right now I agree with you Karolyn.

          • Kate8

            This is so typical. Something big hits the airwaves, and then we are fed every possible explanation so that we have no idea who’s actually behind it, or why. We are left to speculate amongst ourselves while government rushes to “remedy” the “threat” by clamping down more on our freedoms.

            We don’t actually know who this guy is, who pulls his strings, or what his motives are. He could be out to save the world or to help bring it down. Either way, forces are at work shaping our opinions to further agendas.

            The truth is…whatever the media says it is. And we have a dizzying mix of possibilities to choose from.

            Will the real Julian Assange please stand up!

          • DaveH

            Good response, Kate8. It’s good to know there are some thinking people on this site who don’t just swallow outright whatever is fed to them by the PTB.
            I guess there are many on this board that are more concerned about the embarrassment of the leaders, than they are about the taking of innocent lives by our military. What a world.

          • Denniso

            There are too many ‘secrets’ kept from the public,whether it’s gov’t or corporate power trying to keep the people in the dark. Most of what has been relaesed is just dirty laundry,but some apparently can cause harm to individuals.
            Remember the Pentagon papers? The Nixon Adminstration lying to the public about the ‘progress’ of the Vietnam war and what was really going on their…most thinking people now agree w/ the wisdom of Daniel Ellsburg blowing the whistle on the war,though it had huge repercussions,some very negative,for the U.S. Also, Assange didn’t steal the info,he only acted as the conduit for release. He may be letting his ego get in the way now and maybe going to far? He also promises to release damaging secrets from corporate cover ups.

          • Vicki

            Scary. Denniso and I agreeing on something :)

            SpecIalist Manning upheld his oath. The most important one. To defend the US Constitution against ALL enemies. Both foreign and DOMESTIC.

            Hopefully the Jury BOX will look at what he did and decide if he really was defending a free people or endangering them. As to foreign entanglements our forefathers did warn us to avoid them.

            Assange is guilty of nothing. He did what the entire purpose of the protections of the press are in the Constitution. Of course he is making money so I would expect those who hate successful people would turn on him.

            Tis interesting to watch the puppets dance to the pull of the masters strings.

        • Andee

          There are still too many Americans that hold everything this clown says or reiterates as “good, wholesome and will save our nation.” Not so…quite the opposite. He is leading us into anarchy of which when we emerge, if he has his way, he will be the Secretariat (remember this is what he suggested his first UN meeting), of the One World Order…………better listen to this guy, study, research and make your decisions based on your own knowledge and that, that can be garnered from well respected and honest individuals.

        • Lewis Munn


      • steve

        You’re the type of right wing fascist who has caused this to be a problem in the first place. Can’t wait

        till your gung ho government has a complete melt down and starts sticking to fools such as you.

        • Kate8

          steve – Is this your way of saying that it’s all Bush’s fault?

          Lord, give me shelter. Sigh.

          • voiceoverlord

            Kate8 – Steve’s misguided hate will suffer the same fate as will we all when the freedom of information is no longer afforded to us because of this incident. They WILL shut down your free access to information with Mr. Assange and his hacker minions as the reason and the lockdown will spread to ALL MEDIA and very soon – be prepared

          • Vicki

            This will be a sign (non false flag) that the first box is sufficiently compromised. It was partially compromised several time in the past. We will KNOW that trouble is near. We will KNOW it is time to recheck the status of the other 3 boxes.

            Box one is the soap box including the free press and free (truly free) internet.

            Box two is the ballot box. Some evidence of compromise (see vote fraud)

            Box three is the Jury box. Some evidence of compromise. Need to get more people aware of the FIJA and their duty as jurors to find both the facts of a case and also find if the law itself is legal ( Do not investigate further if you ever want to be on a jury again.

            Box four is the ammo box. Much evidence of compromise. Too many examples to quote. Look up the 1968 federal gun control law as compared to the laws passed in Germany before WW2

            Remember to watch and use ONLY in the order shown. However special circumstances exist whenever a serious attempt to neutralize any of the boxes is discovered. (The watchword would be “Clear and Present Danger”)

          • Vicki
        • Sigmund

          First of all Steve-o, fascism is a socialist movement, read that as “left-wing” political organization. I.e., Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (NSDAP), or Nazi’s as the western world referred to them.

          Conservatives and Libertarians want LESS government, not more. But you just love to parrot that old and untrue canard, and likely are a just another communist.

          • Andee

            I think one of you hit this on the head…they will use this as a reason to impinge more of our freedoms………..and, like the assassination of Kennedy, the government will be behind it…same with the Oklahoma City bombing years ago…another patsy…..same with 9/11 as Biden wrote the shut down of our privacy and freedoms in 1995 in the Patriot Act…they added to it through the FISA passed a few months ago…….see the repeating of how they are doing things anyone?

          • Eric Bischoff

            Wrong Sigmund, Fascism is when corporations/businesses take over by bribing and coercing our elected officials to do their bidding instead of ours. That is exactly what we have today. The majority of the American people did not want war but the corporations did. They wanted a public option and corporations did not. They want alternative energy but the energy industry corporation don’t. Who has been winning? Corporations.

          • Al Sieber

            Sigmund, Fascism is Govt. by regulation. sound familiar?

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Who writes you a paycheck each week Bishoff? Ill bet its some company that does it. You know, the evil corporations you always attack. You know, the ones that pay 85 percent of the taxes in this country and give people jobs that keeps us alive and thriving. Evil, evil corporations. Must be a sad life you live.

      • http://yahoo richard

        if thats true you should include the ny times wash. post and jay rockafellow in that groupe

    • Xarcht

      I wonder why they can’t or won’t complain how he got the papers. It seems odd that it’s a property suit (female reproduction, really old school law) they need to quiet him. If he truly broke the law and stole or got them with spies then they would be willing to show the evidence. I hope this gets cleared and those that are embarrassed by the leaks simply go for those that let the papers out.

      • DaveH

        Better yet, let’s rid our government of the embarrassing leadership. They work for us. The only secrets that possibly should be kept from the citizens are those pertaining to short term ongoing military operations. Would any employer put up with his employees keeping secrets about what they are doing in the employer’s name? Of Course Not! And we shouldn’t either.
        How did it ever come about that the citizens have granted government the right to commit heinous immoral acts that the ordinary citizen would be jailed for? Are we just plain stupid? Government is people and those people should not be able to break moral codes any more than the rest of us can break them. We have created a society of criminals by looking the other way:

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          So far, from all Ive read and heard about the things this Assange guy revealed, until he started releasing the list of sites that the United States was worried about the Islamic terrorists hitting, he wasnt doing bad service at all. He over stepped the line in making public these things I believe, but I also think, that the terrorist probably more than not already know what sites they want to hit or not to hit. I think he push the buttons a little too much, and his pride and arrogance got him in trouble. And for them to seize anything and everything linked to him, is a scary proposition. I find it to be highly illegal, and an affront to freedom. I agree there are certain thing to be protected from our enemies knowledge, but Im not sure what he did was such a damning thing, but I do think he knew not to do it but did it anyhow.

        • Vicki

          DaveH writes:
          “How did it ever come about that the citizens have granted government the right to commit heinous immoral acts that the ordinary citizen would be jailed for? ”

          Power. We really need to get in the habit of speaking of the POWERS we have delegated to our government. Government has NO RIGHTS AT ALL. Government has ONLY the powers We The People delegate to it. The Constitution of the United States is the supreme and final short list of those powers. And it is a VERY short list. Committing immoral acts is not in that list.

      • Lewis Munn

        I get the impression that the issuer is letting the truth be known, not putting out false information. Is that correct? Truth should never be suppressed, and those who try to suppress ir are the ones in the wrong.

        If we know the Truth, it will make us free.

    • Vic Bailey

      Typical propaganda BS, he brought out in the open the dirty dealings of all that needed to be. We can’t scream at the top of our lungs that such atrocities shouldn’t happen, when we are part of it!!!
      Semper Fi.

  • Vigilant

    “The founder of the WikiLeaks website, which specializes in releasing the information Global Governance doesn’t want you to know…”

    You can’t have it both ways; “global governance” powers have been accused of sowing the seeds of chaos to facilitate their takeover of the world, and now it’s said that the very chaos they seek (as a result of Wikileaks) is inimical to their purposes. Which is it?

    • Pathfinder

      Although all chaos is equal. It would seem that some chaos is more equal than others.

    • voiceoverlord

      If what Mr. Assange is doing right now is not flat out chaos-mongering, I don’t know what is, and chaos is what world-governance powers need to legitimize the heavy hand you will SOON SEE – be prepared, as this is their excuse for the coming lock-down of the internet. Get ready – you’ve been warned – better start your analogue networking techniques while you still can

      • Bruce D.

        Voiceoverlord says: If what Mr. Assange is doing right now is not flat out chaos-mongering,…
        From what I know about it right now I have to agree with you. He is chaos mongering and it plays well for those dealing in mindless anti-Americism.

        • Rusticus

          It also works well for the majority position. Perfectly reasonable anti-American militarism.

          • Bruce D.

            Japan is payiny the U.S. 2.2 billion dollars to maintain a base in that country. I do not know about other countries. It is not like America is occupying Japan. We could have let Georgia fall to Soviet rule but you can hardly say we are imposing ourselves on them or on South Korea. We can also allow North Korea to drop a nuke on South Korea and take that country over as they would have no choice but to surrender. The question is should we or should we not? For them America is not the bad guy that some on this site view America as.

      • sylviam

        For those of us that does not know how to network, will you please explain just how that we do this? I for one would really like to know.
        I am waiting til I know the truth before I commit my message, but if I cannot “network” then I guess I will never give an opinion on this matter.
        Again tell me how to start “networking”.

    • Vicki

      Vigilant writes:
      “You can’t have it both ways; “global governance” powers have been accused of sowing the seeds of chaos to facilitate their takeover of the world, and now it’s said that the very chaos they seek (as a result of Wikileaks) is inimical to their purposes. Which is it?”

      A but it CAN be both ways. Watch this video of how governments work (it is only about 10 min). Note in particular the path to anarchy and why that path is taken.

      The example starts at about 3:50

  • s c

    Michael J, people who ‘know too much’ tend to pay a price for knowing and telling. This may be a case of comparing apples and oranges, but if you remember Daniel Ellsberg (Vietnam days), he paid a price, but it didn’t seem to be too high a price. People who are in elite circles have too much to lose by spreading the truth.
    I’d gladly settle for “elites” in religious circles spreading the truth. If that happened, the world would be horrified to learn what apostate churches have done to the world in the name of God and patriotism and “truth.”

    • sr

      So now it is the churches fault! Blame it on Christians. I don’t know how this comment relates to this story, but I think it is out of line. I don’t appreciate your anti-Christian rhetoric and neither would the founding fathers. This nation was founded on Christian principals including the 10 commandments. If you don’t like it, go back to Afghanistan and take BO and his marxist cronies with you.

      • Karolyn

        Did you know that the 10 commandements are taken directly from the Egyptians?

        • Dan The Man

          That is by far one of the most ignorant statements I’ve ever heard. Time to pull your head out of your *ss dear. Next time try to think
          before you speak.

          • Karolyn

            I did think.

          • Vicki

            Karolyn. You did not however provide a cite to backup your assertion. So here is another. The entire 10 commandments were written in stone by the Egyptian Sun God Ra who put them by the burning bush for the Egyptians to find. Moses found them and put them in the ark the ark was hidden then discovered in Egypt by an archeologist working for Hitler. An American archeologist named Jones was able to secure the ark and get it to the US where it was moved to Warehouse 13.

          • Karolyn

            Ha ha Ha Vicki! I got the info from a film called “Zeitgeist” all about debunking myths and following conspiracy theories as well as about the Fed, etc. Extremely interesting work. You can find it on YouTube.

          • meteorlady

            She is correct – they were taken from the Egyptians.

        • R

          Did you know that God never stated that a set of commandments did not already exist prior to giving the ten commandments to Moses and the Jewish people. He just gave them the ten commandments. So your point has nothing to do with the fact that the ten commandments is the basis for the christian faith regardless of its original origin or variation of such (such as in Egyptian writings.

        • Danny Buckles

          Karolyn where did you come up with that rediculous statement

          • Karolyn


          • Kate8

            Karolyn, I watched Zeitgeist some time back. I’m wondering why you choose to take that video as truth over everything else?

            No one ever produces videos or articles from an absolutely neutral position. Everyone wants you to think a certain way. That is why it is wise to garner info from a number of sources, and then still leave it open to new input.

            Anyone can say anything. For every opinion or proclamation you can find several to refute it.

            You called yourself open-minded. I would bet that you have a particular inclination and you look for references that confirm it. Isn’t that what you say many of us do?

        • Wanda Murline

          What? The Ten Commandments are Egyptian? Me thinks you have been watching too much History Channel. The Ten Commandments were the rules for society created by God and handed to Moses for implementation. Where in the world do you come up with something like that?

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Are you saying that because Moses was raised Egyptian? Is that your link? Moses turned his back on living the high life in Egypt, and rather chose to be a jewish slave with his people, and he was an instrument God used to lead them out of slavery, and an instrument God used to deliver the 10 commandments to His people. So your saying that they came directly from the Egyptians, is not correct. They were delivered by God to Moses for the people. You are in error.

      • s c

        Sr, if your remark was aimed at me, I have to conclude that you have very thin, and that you do not think it’s not possible for a religious faith to be apostate. If that is the case, hang, on, guy. Every major faith in the world is APOSTATE.
        Truth and organized religion are diametric opposites.
        Either you lead a sheltered life (so indicative of a public school ‘education’), or you let others do your thinking for you.
        My comments are not meant to slam dunk Christianity merely because it exists. ‘Christianity’ has done a first-rate job of doing that on its own for hundreds of years.
        Can I assume that you think it’s OK for your church to make a deal with the government and claim tax exempt status? If you understand the Bible, sr, NO ONE can have two masters. Government and religion are enemies, and any preacher, rabbi or other religious leader who tells you otherwise has made that choice. His master is NOT God.
        For your sake, re-read the Bible. Learn to discern. Sift, sort and test. Do you think this world gets more complex because major faiths are true servants of God? Show me a TV ‘religious leader,’ and I’ll show you someone who thinks business, money and faith can be mentioned in the same breath.
        Religion in this world has much in common with politics. Both serve the same master, and it is NOT God, sr.

        • http://comcast.NET 5224wd

          Well spoken man of knowledge. Is it not so that we should be on the “Watch”and more will be revealed at great costs as the AGE draws closer to its end. History (Biblical) has a Great Example of one who was ridiucled,tortured,and left to die for speaking the truth.Religions and Kingdoms(goverments)have one aim,Control, using whatever method is needed ,Infidelity semms to work for many(esp. politicans)the IRS had great success for many ,a Great Journaist had aa Fatal heart attack,planes go down,(even small ones,come to think about it….his Father was murdered in Texas, his Uncle murdered in…..,President Reagan ,a close call for wanting to bring The Fed under our control and on and on,soon the goverments propganda will convince us that Heros are Geitner And Ben BERRR And Rangle and Frankieeee and NancyyyPPPP,And Harry Reidddd ,Pres. of Monsanta,oor The FDA or Hailburton or BP….Lies have gotten us to the Bad State of Affairs ,,,Try the Truth for REAL CHANGE.SPEAK OUT NOW ,TOMMORROW WILL BE TO LATE. IF YOU KNOW TRUTH BE A PATROIT AND SPEAK IT …… and ,watch the Politicans PLAY HERO,

    • Kevin

      There are always a few wolves in sheep’s clothing. That doesn’t make all Christians or atheists bad people and not all churches are corrupt with an agenda.

    • Kate8

      s c – Wow. You stirred up a hornet’s nest with that one!

      I understand what you are saying about apostate Christianity. “Apostate” being the operative word here.

      Much of Christendom has become something Christ never intended, and is nothing like the early church (prior to Constantine). The true meaning of Christ’s teachings, and also the teachings of the Torah, were hidden from the masses in order to insure our eternal subjugation and lack of power. That this would happen is even foretold in scriptures.

      It’s time for God’s people to wake up and hear His Voice. Instead of blindly adhering to one of the myriad dogmas espoused under the broad heading of “Christianity”, if we open our hearts to His Voice…

      Anyway, those of us who have been here awhile know that s c is one of the best and the wisest among us.

      Just had to throw in my two cents.

      • Vicki

        First Principle. Your Creator gifted you with life and free will. How you use those 2 gifts and how you honor these gifts in others marks the kind of person you are.

    • Russ, 30 yr. marine E-9

      sc brought up Viet Nam and I thought of the biggest traitor of all JANE FONDA. Nothing has ever been done to her for her traitorous behavior. She sent many American service men to their deaths by her direct actions. If anyone really beleives the inforamtion put out really hurt anyone, it has set some back but they will get even, even if it breaks every law and maybe some actions that have no laws(as Yet). Any reason to stop people from thinking about what is really happening, watch both hands.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        I agree with your opinion about Jane Fonda, but I would add that Lyndon Johnson is responsible for more deaths than anyone, as he escalated that war so that him and his cronies could cash in on it. That is vile behavior, worse than what Jane Fonda did, and what she did was terrible.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          There is NOTHING more evil than what Hanoi Jane did! Do you honestly believe she didn’t profit from what she did??? Before those trips she was a two bit actress(not that I don’t still think she still isn’t) but after them her carreer took off like a rocket!! Just about 75% of the people under 30 were anti-government in those years so all of them would be hot to trot to see her, the woman who took on the government!!

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Joe, I said what she did was terrible. And terrible is not a good thing. She should have been black balled by hollywood and not even allowed to make a living acting, but since they are liberals, they wouldnt do that. But what Lyndon Johnson did, sending boys to be killed so him and his cronies could make a buck, that is just plain detestable. Jane is an idiot. Johnson was a murdering idiot.

    • Lewis Munn

      That is exactly why Christianity is so attacked. Those who cry “Lord, Lord”, but do not follow God’s directions for life.

      I see many in comment sections blaming Christianity for all the evils Christianity is against, confusing the hypocrites with Christians! Deliberately in many cases it appears.

      Insofar as WikiLeaks exposes evil for what it is, I am for them, and since it is those who wish to do evil secretly that seem to be hollering the most, it says WikliLeaks is doing a good work, and is therefore persecuted.

      But if good people do nothing, even with information, Evil will triumph.

  • Vigilant

    And this: “The U.S. Justice Department recently shut down a number of Websites it claimed were illegally peddling copyrighted music, videos and other products. It did so in a broad sweep, taking down sites that linked to music and videos and sites that just mentioned other sites, a move that demonstrates the U.S. government no longer cares for the rule of law.”

    Mr. Livingston, you are apparently a proponent of an Internet that can engage in illegal activities with impunity. When the USG applies the rule of law to shut down illegal activities (as they would a brick and mortar operation), as well as a dangerous site that releases highly classified US secrets, how is that in any way interpreted as contravening the rule of law?

    • Pathfinder

      Vigilant : The procedure is known as “selective enforcement”. This is what happens when a law is only enforced on “enemies” of those in power.

      • Philroy

        “The Federal government is also working to give itself the authority to shut down portions of the Internet,…”

        Hitler is nodding his head in approval.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          And even worse than than, if the liberals have their way, they will shut down Fox News, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and and voice that opposes what they want to do. When we lose the freedom of speech as they have and are trying to do, that is when we are in real big trouble, worse than what we are now.

      • meteorlady

        That’s what happens in CHina and other communist countries, they shut down portions so the people will remain ignorant and compliant.

        • Dan The Man

          Exactly correct Meteorlady, they fear the people will learn the TRUTH
          and finally realize its time to do something about it.

          • Lewis Munn

            The Bible even says you will know the Truth and the Truth will make you free.

            So people and organizations that conceal the Truth are preventing you from being really Free. Even applies to concealing college records!!

      • Bruce D.

        The procedure is known as “selective enforcement”. This is what happens when a law is only enforced on “enemies” of those in power.
        I agree with that pathfinder. Make enough laws so that you can get anyone at anytime if you choose to. Tacitus: “The more numerous the laws the more corrupt the government”.

      • Bill

        Right now this government bloated as it is and growing is smelling pretty ripe! How much longer till they pull the blue helmets out and start knocking at 4:00AM on our doors to take us away, lets see is that red or blue they take first and just kill. bet that day the internet will be down.

    • Sally Li

      The rule of law includes due process.

      • Bruce D.

        Yes it does. It will take time for this to al play out. It is an ongoing story.

    • marvin

      the federal goverment will enforce any law they want, when they want ,basic differance, someone that is downloading music may be stealing ,but leaking classified info can start wars,and get people killed,my point being if a friend told you something in comfidence,and you told everone,you would no longer be a friend,as for enforceing laws illegal immigration is one of the goverments best none enforcement,why votes and power,

      • Bruce D.

        Marvin I feel the same way you do on this. If there is a crime expose it. If it is just dirty laundry than that it is in noones best interest to expose it.

      • Rusticus

        Leaking “classified” information can also stop wars. Especially in the U.S. where the media is an extension of the Military Industrial Complex.

      • Vicki

        I am not my governments friend. I am their EMPLOYER. They have no business keeping secrets from me. Especially as the whole rest of the world has good spies and knows all the secrets anyway.

        Secrets protect the guilty.

    • meteorlady

      Where was the due process when the shut down websites? Some just carried references and others were not even involved? What was the hurry? Why did they do it without court orders where they had to actually show a reason?

      • Kate8

        meteorlady – Think DICTATORSHIP.

        • meteorlady

          My very point – it’s getting scary…..

    • robert seddon

      And as the brick and mortar store is closed down, there are those of us that will stand in the street and purvey the same message and content .. the government may shut down one part of the internet, but , come on here guys and gals, are we not bright enough to come up with another pathway to take to that same end? I can have a stand alone server on my DSL: line at home and put data out THAT way..

      • Vicki

        Before there was the internet there was usenet. Most every unix/linux box in the world can still do usenet.

      • meteorlady

        There are ways, yes, but don’t we all need a service provider?

    • Bob Livingston

      Dear Vigilant,

      You need to be more true to your namesake. Please do a little research about the Websites that were shut down. You will see that the government was overbroad in its efforts and shut down sites—with no explanation, no warning and no due process—that were not violating copyright laws.

      Best wishes,

      • Vigilant

        Sir, if that’s the case, then the purveyors of those websites have every legal right to pursue action in a court of law.

    • Wanda Murline

      I would like to know how Paypal, Mastercard and Visa were shut down due to peddling illegal music. We have got to rid ourselves of the czars, Obama, and the crazy corrupt elists in Washington, and we need to do it soon before they can carry out their Nazi agenda. They have taken over the banking industry (well it was already them and the banks to begin with…just a little payback for their election), Wall Street, the auto industry, the health care industry, the oil industry, the food industry, the transportation industry (TSA) (railroads and busses next) and have roving spy radiation vans, radiation body scanners, body pat downs, and wanting to implement new scanners to check your psychological profile before you go to a ball game, and soon to be at your favorite Wall Mart, the new spying TV’s at the check out counters to make sure you are not purchasing too much,all in the name of keeping you “safe”…bull. So what is left? We have not allowed them, so far, to take over the energy by Cap and Trade and the FCC is back tracking on their decision to do it anyways, our military who took an oath to the Constitution to protect us…this may be a real hard one for the communists, our guns, so far, free speech…but this one is imploding on us. I am 63 years old, and I have never seen anything like this in my life. Come 2011, we must repeal a bunch of these laws, starting with Obamacare, because if the people don’t take action quickly, we will be 1930′s Germany and you know what happened there…we will be slaughtered to reduce the population…these people are beyond their owns scope. I just cannot imagine when you are soooo rich, why do you need more money and power? The Bible says these times will come and the Christians will be persecuted. We are there right now. Pray to God for forgiveness and get right with the Lord as you time here may be limited.

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  • Dragon Slayer

    Assange is a HERO. There is more going on than we imagine. I prayed for God to show the Government to show itself as it really is and put their folly back on themselves. (He did a good job, huh?) :-) I don’t understand why the military hasn’t done anything about it. They are the ones with the power.

    • Patrick

      I can tell you have never been the Military Dragon Slayer. The information that was hacked by the young Private and given to Assange and released on the Web, is a threat to national security and those involved should be tried for treason. The only reason was a monetary one and these people should pay.
      With todays hackers, the government should never put anything on the computer that may threaten our national security. Both Assange and the private should be tried, and Assange is far from being a hero.

      • GreatScott

        Mr Assange is only guilty of exposing the truth. If the DOD is afraid of what might leak out, it ahould have never conducted itself that way. the DOD, CIA and FBI are all guilty of crimes against humanity and you are defending them.

        • Gene

          And you are a MORON! You don’t belong in this country!

        • Vicki

          Government secrets protect the guilty far more often then the innocent. Tyrants love secrets.

      • marvin

        comeing to a movie house next,after obamacare go in to effect all your records will be stored on a server,so anyone can get them,like this youg gay solder,and no one knew or said they didn,t

      • meteorlady

        Do you seriously believe that a PFC had access to these types of records? I believe someone much higher up set this entire “crisis” rolling in order to gain control of the internet and people’s ability to speak freely on it.

        Next comes the banks – get control of the money supply and you have control of the masses.

        • ARN001


        • IMK

          It’s called The NEW WORLD ORDER!!

        • LifeRyder

          The bank? In case you have not noticed, that has already been done.

        • HWB

          i agree with you completely! How could this small fish have access to this.

        • Micheal

          meterorlady, they already control the money supply…it’s called the Federal Reserve Bank!

        • Vicki

          Meteorlady writes:
          “Next comes the banks – get control of the money supply and you have control of the masses.”

          Too late. That happened about 1913 as pointed out by several. And of course removing any backing of the “notes” in the late 60′s early 70′s pretty much sealed that deal.

          • Lewis Munn

            And the little thing in the Health Care that the Government has the right to take any or all of your bank accounts without warning when you accept Direct Deposit of Government checks! Or do any monitary business with the government online.

            Beware! It has been snuck in in these huge bills that are not put out where you can read them!

      • Wanda Murline

        Okay, I am going out on a limb here, but I read an article about the soldier who leaked all of this. None of the news medias are saying anything because of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell, but this article eluded to the fact that this guy is gay and he felt estranged and lonely and that is why he did this. The article came from someone who is an upscale reporter, but it seems that this has been silenced. However, all will come out eventually, as the truth always surfaces. Oh, what wicked webs we weave, when we practice to deceive. The truth usually comes around to bite you in the butt.

        • Kate8

          Wanda – Estranged and lonely? Sounds like this guy chose the wrong career.

          This sounds like either a plug for DADT or a reason why gays in the military are a really bad idea. Soldiers are trained to be tough, not simpering namby pambys. If this is true, and he’s an example of what we’ve got defending America, we’re in trouble.

      • Rusticus

        They did it for the money?!?

        That seems to be the only reason the kool aid drinkers can think of for actions they don’t understand. Can it be because “money” is the only thing that motivates them?

        • Lewis Munn

          Can’t buy KoolAid without money!

      • ted houser

        What fools you hate mongerers are! Assange is a hero! Exposing the treason in our government should be the highest form of heroism. The real treasonists here…is the Bush administration. Bush lied, extorted and controlled the media in order to start the war in Iraq. He committed treason by outing the CIA operative, Valerie Plame. He said on national TV, that whoever outed Valerie Plame committed a serious felony…and that if he found out who did it, that heads would roll. Well, isn’t it interesting that since Cheny’s chief of staff, Scooter Libby, was the one prosectued for the leak, that Bush pardoned him. If that isn’t treason by the President, then what is? Not only did Bush start a war with lies, he is directly responsible for nearly bankrupting this country to pay for them. He has killed hundreds of thousands of people, both Iraquis, who did nothing to us, as well as thousnad of our own troops…yet you call Assange the traitor? Wake up you controlled fools!!!

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Bush-Cheney-Halliburton, Bush-Cheney-Halliburton. Can we move on? Theyve been gone two years, and this isnt about them, or the terrible job Obama and democrats are doing. Its about Assange, and whether he stepped over the line or not. Thats it. Stay on track here.

        • Vicki

          An interesting thing I have noticed about liberals vs conservatives. During the Bush admin the liberals complained about the evils of bush et all. Now that their boy is in charge they are quite happy to blame ……. Bush et all. Conservatives at least notice the change in admin and stop blaming bush et all and are now blaming Obama et all.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            I think that is a big problem in this country, that its always someone elses fault, and it seems on one is held responsible for what they do. Well surprise, surprise, Assange here is being held responsible for what he did. If only that applied across the board, but too many seem to get a pass. Obama seems to lead the way on that one, as the press constantly gives him a free pass.

        • Doug

          Ted the blower you are one liberal scum! Bush did everything by the books unlike your heros Pelosi Reed Oymama who are not following the rules. If all the liberals in the world were put in one place what do you think would happen?????

        • Lewis Munn

          Why do you keep picking on a poor brain-damaged (by drinking “harmless” alcohol!) person, when the one running the government was the VP! “Shoot your hunting buddy” Cheney!

          Shows the Fallacy behind electing the President and the VP as a couple.




        • Vicki

          Good point! :)

        • Kate8

          Pete – Excellent!

        • Lewis Munn

          But that costs a million dollars a secret!

          Do we have that much left after paying all the pork, and special payoffs, to those who got special people elected? And the Union fees to “adjust” the voting machines to assure certain people their election?

  • Tazio2013
  • Golf Pro

    God exposed the vileness of what’s going on. People all around the world, sick of the sickness prayed that God would do just this. Keep praying for God is watching and listening.

    • Andee

      Amen and remember, we need to help ourselves so he will help us; we need to pray with a contrite heart and an open mind so we can hear him guiding us…………

  • Karolyn

    Julian Assange is a self-serving arrogant pig, and I hope he serves time for his sex crimes.

    • Sally Li

      This is so typical of the use of invective to pound this man into oblivion. Don’t you believe in the rule of law and due process? And don’t you know that false and politically or financially motivated accusations of rape, molestation, harassment, stalking, etc., actually jeopardize the safety of women and children and set back the cause of justice by discrediting legitimate exercises in prosecution involving actual victimization? The same is true of bombast and hyperbole and misrepresentations of fact on behalf of alleged or supposed victims. If the above is a case of genuine and sincere rage, which I seriously doubt, it is probably misplaced. The comment, at any rate, tends to validate what Bob Livingston (the author of the article) is saying.

      • Cameron

        Brother Dave Garner would be proud indeed of the confusing run-on sentence you just spouted! Find a copy of his recordings & prepare to laugh your butt off, no matter HOW big it might be.

      • eddie47d

        I agree with Sally Li on this one Karolyn. Rape is an evil act yet shouldn’t be used as a political tool to trap someone.

        • meteorlady

          If you read up you will find that he’s not really accused of rape – he’s accused of having CONSENSUAL sex without protection. Bit different.

          • Lewis Munn

            So I committed a crime to have each of my children? Is the government going to put me away for the rest of my life? Does this crime only apply to white Citizens, so other races, or illegals, can have children without use of condoms OK? Or is that allowed only if you are illegal?

      • Bruce D.

        I aso agree with you on that Sally Li. You are a wise person. From the information put out at this time rape appears to be very far-fetched. But it is too early to be making a lot of final judgments.

    • Chris

      A loyal, patriotic American would not assume that the person is guilty just because allegations have been made against one. That is for the law and a jury to decide. Luckily for Assange, you won’t be on his jury if the case ever comes to trial.

    • JRC

      Nothing polarizes people more than accusations of “”sex”” crimes, child abuse, or rape. The moment they are made, people but on they’re blinders and the person is guilty, period. Did you ever read the charges? They are so ridiculous that it hurts and the only country in the whole world who would even consider the charges is the socialist country of Sweden…where the most ridiculous laws on the books.
      Inform yourself before becoming a lemming for the powers that control the masses.

    • S.C.Murf

      What sex crimes? You have already found him guilty haven’t you. What ever happened to innocent until proven? Karolyn it’s time for YOU to make that popping sound!!!!!!

    • Dan The Man

      There you go again Korolyn. Take a good long look at this milk-toast
      meek limp wrist guy. Do you really think he could over power any woman? This is nothing more than trumped up charges to discredit him
      and put him in jail. Why not just blame 9-11 on him too.

      • Lewis Munn

        Didn’t Lewis Carroll have the Red Queen shouting for the execution first, and then the trial?

        Long tradition of that, it would appear!

    • Kate8

      Karolyn – You are a perfect example of how people lap up what the media serves out without bothering to think.

      Aren’t you one of the ones who cautions about rushing to judgement? Yet you’ve chose to believe one source, have judged him guilty and pronounced sentence without so much as a trial.

      You disappoint me.

      • Karolyn

        I have already responded to this. My reason for jumping to judgment is that the guy creeps me out, plus the fact that I am working for an organization in sexual assault outreach and am sensitive to the issue. From the bits and pieces I have heard about him, he comes off as an arrogant egotistical non-journalist.

        • Kate8

          Karolyn – I posted this before any of the other posters but, as often happens, my post gets pushed further down than it should be.

          So, you are letting your personal emotions and issues cloud your thinking. So very liberal.

          Sheesh. I sure wouldn’t want you sitting on a jury.

          • Karolyn

            Fortunately, I never have had to.

        • Vicki

          Karolyn writes:
          “From the bits and pieces I have heard about him, he comes off as an arrogant egotistical non-journalist.”

          SO based on completely hearsay evidence of non-crimes you wish to judge this man guilty of some crime that is not even remotely related?
          How liberal of you. Please do continue to stay off of a jury.

        • Lewis Munn

          Judging by bits and pieces heard here and there?

          If that is how it is done, let’s send Obama to the firing squad. I’ve heard enough bits and pieces already. Off with his head!

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Im thinking your probably right Karolyn, but I just dont know yet at this point. What seems to be pretty evident though, is that this guys pride and arrogance is what did him in. I dont know if he thought of himself as that powerful that he could do anything he wanted, or if he just got off on pissing people off. I dont know. But his downfall was of his own doing, and Im pretty sure he knew where the line was that he willingly crossed.

      • Lewis Munn

        So did our Founding Fathers, They knew it and even said they did, but felt the goal worthy of the price.

        But I think these days we realize they made a big mistake, freedom and all. Right?


      I smell a troll. Would Karolyn really post something this dopey?

      • Karolyn

        I must admit; I let my emotional first impression get the better of me. Hey, nobody’s perfect!

        • Kate8

          Karolyn – I respect you for reconsidering. You are quite right. None of us is perfect.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Well, I think your emotions were guiding you in the right way. I think the dude is a creepy dude.

    • Vicki

      Karolyn did he touch you? If not were you there? If not why do you accuse him possibly falsely?

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        She didnt have to. The two women he did touch have blamed him. And we will let a court of law decide where that goes.

        • Vicki

          He did touch them? How do you know? Were YOU there? You will notice that my entire point with Karolyn was her accusation. You and I at least seem willing to give him due process. My only concern is that due process necessarily requires truth. As others have mentioned this could well be a political smear attack against him.

  • John Tapscott

    LBJ is reputed to have said never to trust a man unless you have his pecker in your pocket. Assange wouldn’t be the first to get into trouble by allowing his brain to defer to his pecker. Somebody’s got his pecker in their pocket.

    • Bob Wire

      Well, I’d admit, it seems they are trying too.

      Character assassination and attempts to subvert and discredit, coruscation, collusion standard operating procedures.

      Dominion of rule of law and all that it entails is brought to bear.

      You know, the same setup JC and the gang came up against in Jerusalem.

      “We know you are guilty of something!” “This “word” you are spreading is not working for us!”

    • Wanda Murline

      After being a young adult during LBJ, I can tell you one thing, he had his pecker in his ear most of the time. One of the worst presidents ever…made millions off the war in Viet Nam and would not allow us to continue bombing North Viet Nam, which turned that into a 12 year slaughter house and when my husband and others returned, they were spit on and treated like dogs, thanks to the Hollywood elist, Jane Fonda, a traiter to her country who should have been put in front of a firing squad.

      • Kate8

        Wanda – I agree. LBJ was ruthless and did much to set this nation on a very bad course.

        Jackie hated him, and knew he was involved in JFK’s death. I believe he was chosen as VP with assuming the presidency in mind, since JFK was far more electable. He did things JFK would never have done.

        LBJ was the beginning of “multiculturalism”, and removing free speech from right-wing clergy, to name just two.

      • S.C.Murf

        Way to go Wanda, keep the faith

        up the hill
        Viet Nam 68″,69″,70″

      • Karolyn

        I learned a lot about LBJ and his philandering in my sociology class. He married Ladybird for her money and station. He was a very crude man.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        I agree with everything you said. My brother and all his buddies growing up went over there, and not all of them returned. They told me of the horrors of being pinned down and bombed, with no assistance coming, and being told not to fire back. Some had rank, and told of having the enemy dead nailed and at their mercy, and were told to turn back and leave them be. Our boys were slaughtered over there for no reason, other than for LBJ and his cronies to line their pockets. Those are the war crimes Ive seen in my life time. Yet Nixon was made out to be the criminal because he bugged the dems headquarters. Wow, what a crime that was, and they ruined his life over it, yet LBJ caused thousands of our boys to die, and he made millions doing it. That was the real crime. And as far as Hanoi Jane goes, the liberal left wing hollywood idiots still do it today, as they attacked Bush for 8 years and honored and enabled the enemy. Thats why I wont watch any movies with people like George Cloony, Sean Penn, Susan Sarandon, Tim Robbins and folks like that in them, ever again. And I mean ever. I havent forgotten 9-11, and I never will. And I havent forgotten those that did anti-American things during a time of war, and I never will. By the way Dixie Chicks, how did that fare for you?

        • http://?? Joe H.

          They should have remembered this phrase; “Recieving friendly fire and returning same!” Worked real well for one of my pilots once!!!

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            I hear you. But can you imagine be a 19-21 year old, hunkered down in a jungle in a far away land, everything blowing up around you, seeing your buddies getting blown up right and left, and then having orders not to fire back, and being told no back up was coming? I believe they would have had to court martial me, because I would have had to fire back. I would have had to. Lock me up, but they shoot at me, Im shooting back.

  • Barbara Humphrey

    This is a great summary of the issues involved. Thank you.

    • Sally Li

      The article is cogently irrefutable. It covers all the bases, and does so in a way that is thoroughly researched, courageous, and logically sound. Undoubtedly, the documentation is as airtight as the construction and reasoning behind this. This is a great public service for the cause of freedom and truth. I hope our common sense manages to catch up with our Government’s technological ability to overturn it, at some point – and this is a major step in that right and proper direction. I agree with you – this article sweeps away the cobwebs of confusion which Governments and their plants are trying to tangle things up with. I feel better after reading this, as you do when you think better!

  • Pathfinder

    I continue to be of two minds in this regard. There are some things that NEED to be kept secret. Examples of what should remain secret are troop strength, supply routes, and times and locations of planned attacks.
    On the other hand, bureaucrats like to hide their misdeeds from the public by labeling their foul actions as “classified”. My hope is that we can find some way to balance the need for “transparency” with the need to guard vital secrets.

    • VWmama

      I agree with you Pathfinder. Wholesale release of documents without safeguarding vital secrets puts us all in danger.

      • Wanda Murline

        We have been in danger since Bush set up the Patriot Act and Obama got elected to Change America to some premise that he sees as a future one world government. It won’t work, but people like Reid, Pelosi, Schumer, Soros, Stern, Ayers, Jones…they believe that they can “Control” the world…that they will be the leaders…too much mushroom tea…they have left out a lot of figures in their math…like the Arab nations, China, Iran…do you think they are going to allow these folks to dominate their countries? I don’t thinks so.

        • Rusticus

          You clearly lead a rich fantasy life.

        • Lewis Munn

          Those currently in power ARE allowing Communist China to dominate us! Just read the financial articles. We have borrowed so much from them we cannot repay it, and they can call our shots and sink us even if they call in the due debt!

          The Liberals have done this, regardless of Party.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        There is one othertype that should be kept that way even after the battle and even the war in some cases. human assets that are native to the area in which the battles are fought. In other words, citizens of the country you are fighting in that assist your forces in the war. they are fighting for you against the government of that country.
        If the names become known, they are more than likely DEAD!

    • melatr7

      I also agree with pathfinder. This is a problem in so many ways. The TRUTH is always good to have, but then, a nation must have the legal ability to keep secrets that, if known, would cause harm to it’s citizens or even other nations. THAT being said, neither PFC Manning NOR (the foreigner) Assange had the right to take it upon themselves to reveal “the truth” (these documents). In this process, and I do NOT believe either one did it for altruistic purposes, they have put many people in grave danger. Additionally, neither one had TIME to sort through this mass of information nor the ability to determine it’s impact. They just threw it into the air without regard to where it would land. They should both be prosecuted- Manning as a traitor, Assange as an enemy of the State and a spy.

      Heck, we are in the middle of two wars! Something as simple as knowing when certain officials take a daily constitutional could be devastating to our troops on the ground!!

      Two wrongs do not make a right. Our government needs to clean itself up. We the People need to make sure that happens!

      • Bruce D.

        Well said melatr. There are those who believe that everyone who works in government is corrupt and evil. They push mindless anti-Americanism and fail to recognize anyones accomplishments and desire to do the right thing. There are legitimate state secrets as part of national defense but government should work out in the open in good faith as much as possible.

    • JRC

      Well, lets look what has been released, unimportant trivial besides one or two minor, minor points. Most of this is common sense and can be found on the internet anyways..if you know how to research and comprehend.
      In my eyes, this whole release of so called secret documents is staged and the reaction of government, the media and the reaction of the lemmings that are led by the government is so telling. This will be the reason our freedoms will be restricted in many ways…and I can NOT ever understand why people that call them self conservative, patriots,and real Americans can fall for this obvious setup and willingly dance the government dance to restrict our freedoms.
      There is a lemming born every second, and no they are not all liberals.

      • victoria blood

        Well said JRC

      • Norman F.

        What reaction, JRC, other than going after the two perps? No government has reacted negatively toward any other government. Could it be that they were not really surprised by the negative statements made by other diplomats or officials? Or unaware of the actions taken, supposedly in secret, by those same countries?
        If, as it seems, they are all working towards a one world government, wouldn’t they already know those “secrets”? So, a few “outraged” remarks would be all that was needed before everything returned to diplomatic “normal”. It seems to me that the status is still quo!

    • Rick

      This is the very scenario that led to the fall of the Roman Empire, and later on in history, The Dark Ages. Go dig out your history books, if you can find any left in your libraries. All of the knowledge in the known world was wiped out with the destruction of the great library at Alexandria many years ago. History repeats itself.

    • http://deleted j.McConnell

      Didn’t Nixon use “National Security” as an excuse for covering up any Watergate involvement?
      If the release of information puts lives in danger that is one thing but if it is simply an embarrassment
      that is a different story.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      You are correct sir. And thats what did this guy in. He went and divulged targets that concerned us to the enemy, and you dont do that. He brought this upon himself. But the governments sneaky double dealings in the back room definately need exposed.

  • VanZorge

    i have NO PROBLEM with the wikileaks. i can handle the truth!!

  • atheistcable

    I agree with Barbara Humphrey–this was an excellent article.

  • Pat Mason

    Only the breathtakingly clueless or just your run-of-the-mill fawning government disciple would criticize the work of Wikileaks and/or Assange. Wikileaks is an INDEPENDENT NEWS organization just as much as the New York Times or Washington Post…,and Assange is the editor of that agency. What Assange did is nothing that the NYT or Post wouldn’t do (haven’t done). This is the role of Media…,to EXPOSE SUPPRESSED NEWS. The facts are that Wikileaks has NOT been charged with any CRIME, and for Assange and Wikileaks to be TREATED as such is nothing short of lock-step adherence to government hubris. Who in his right mind would support the notion that it’s A-OK for ‘Government’ to spy into every facet of a person’s private life, but it’s NOT A-OK for a PRIVATE individual or institution to DO THE EXACT SAME THING to the ‘Government?’ Where does ‘Government’ get such immunity? Again, only a hypocritical FASCIST would take the side of the ‘Government’ on that issue. And what kind of person would condemn Wikileaks and/or Assange for exposing the SHAMEFUL amount of CORRUPTION and CRIMINALITY these cables have exposed? Only a ‘Government’ fawning DISCIPLE…,that’s who.

  • Bitter Libertarian

    Knowledge of Facts is a double edge sword. Knowing the truth you face the ugly reality, not knowing you are a schroom.

    There were official Reports that assured us that not one person had died as a result of this information. Can that happen, sure, but proving it conclusively would be nearly impossible.

    Bottom line is that the “world court” of citizens need to firmly decide if Freedom of Speech is a US thing or an inalienable right endowed by their creators…my only suggestion is choose wisely!

    Personally I could care less. If he were releasing secret technical information about our weapons systems, numbers, etc, I’d say lock his arse up. Releasing what one leader/diplomat says about the other or their plots & schemes..I say let it rip! they are over paid, over powered morons anyway.

    The steam roller of Globalism is destroying Freedom & Liberty around the world now more then ever. Seems thats a bigger problem.
    However, people are more concerned with themselves, their favorite TV shows, and plain old self survival, Understandibly.

    • Bob Wire

      maybe so, but where does knowledge set you free? and if it does set you free,~ free from what? For it’s seems clear, it can be a burden to carry.

      Information and disinformation has always been stock and trade as we all attempt to capitalize on what “others” don’t know on some level.

      We have learn to depend on what people don’t know to make gains and conduct business as usual.

      Revelations has always been a tough and scary read.

    • American Citizen

      If what he has revealed amounts to basically nothing much, why release it at all? We all know what politicians are/do anyway.

      • Bruce D.

        From what I have seen so far he just wants the glory and fame he might get from exposing confidential conversations that might embarrass some. There are those who enjoy that kind of nonsense. That is why the National Enquirer has been in business for so long.

        • Karolyn


  • Kevin W

    While I agree that our government is going to hell in a hand-basket, I do not agree that a foreign operative can “steal” state secrets from a PFC and make this kind of hay. The piles of documents released along with the piles that are supposedly standing by in the queue are the work of sitting politicians. These people purposefully released these documents since the safeguards on “highly classified” information are far greater than a lowly PFC would be able to defeat alone. The higher up on the classified scale you travel the more safeguards are in place such as two-person integrity, portable electronics free zones and computer permissions preventing such actions.

    The government needs a revamping where the current political class is tilled under, but not by the court of world opinion. The citizens of the United States need to rise up against the political class and return the duty of service back to a responsibility and not a privilege.

  • Bob Wire

    hmm? a double edged sword and produce of the “Information Age”

    My guess is, this site can continue without any one person and putting thumb screws to Julian Assange is not going to stop these releases, But in fact might increase them.

    And Karolyn, people are usually considered innocent till “proven” guilty.

    • Karolyn

      I allowed my personal feelings for this man to outshine my real values. Everything I have heard about him, from several sources, do paint him to be an arrogant opportunist, in no way a journalist; and the guy just gives me the creeps.

      • ARN001

        So ?

  • Pat Mason

    And for those of you cheering his arrest on ‘Sex Crimes,’ I will remind you that he has NOT been charged with ANY crime…,”Sex” or otherwise. It’s obvious to those of us who really KNOW THE FACTS of this case that these so called ‘Sex Charges’ are completely concocted and meritless. Most prosecutors agree that these charges (charges that were initially DROPPED)are nothing more than a ruse to get Assange into Sweden so that he can be EXTRADITED to the U.S. Once in the U.S., then he can be detained INDEFINITELY because of the heinous ‘Patriot Act’ that “our” politicians rammed through Congress. For those of you unaware of the ‘Patriot Act’ other than in name only, it is easily THE MOST vulgar and un-American piece of legislation EVER to come down the pike. Among other things, it claims to give government extra-legal powers OVER THE CONSTITUTION to deny both foreigners and AMERICAN CITIZENS their Constitutional Rights to legal matters. And this ‘extra-legality’ will be used against Assange. So, before you all go popping off at the mouth about things you don’t know squat about, I suggest you start getting familiar with this case, because whatever bad might end up happening to Assange, the rest of us can look forward to be threatened with in the future.

    • ted houser

      Amen Pat, that is the unambiquous truth. Unfortunately, there are so many uninformed and intelligence-challenged people in this world…that will never understand the truth!

  • 1Fearless1

    Beware of the powers of The Empire! If you do not agree with the policies of the Empire you are “Dead Meat.”

  • Pat Mason

    Kevin, learn the facts before you pop off as though you know what you’re talking about. Assange is NOT a “Foreign Operative” nor did he “Steel State Secrets.” And the “Hay” made was the GOVERNMENT’S DOING, not Wikileaks or Assange. Assange did not make up the VERIFIABLE CRIMINALITY AND CORRUPTION in these cables. And, don’t think for a minute that a lowly PFC is SOLELY responsible for these leaks. Trying to defend this type of government hubris (I would call it TYRANNY) is a fool’s errand, friend. What these cables spell out is a government completely OUT OF CONTROL. And people wonder why we’re in the mess we’re in these days. Wikileaks just showed them.

    • ARN001

      That is what he said, Pat.

  • Arcadia CA once

    If revealing the truth makes the government uncomfortable, I’m all for it.

    Furthermore it looks like wikileaks (which is a media site) was intentionally framed to create an incident big enough to motivate a change to our freedom of speech so no more truth and dissent can be put out. Have you heard anything about who gave wikileaks the documents, and how that government official who gave the documents to wikileaks had access to documents from departments he wouldn’t normally have had access to? It looks like someone else intentionally collected those documents in order to put them out. Shouldn’t that raise questions for investigation and remedy, but yet the focus is on a media company.

    • meteorlady

      No, because they don’t want you to know how or who gave him the documents. I think he’s just a setup and is ultimately expendable. The very reason we can sit here at our computers and comment freely is what’s bothering world governments. They cannot control that for now, but it’s coming. If they can illegal close down websites and coerce PayPal, Visa and Master Card into not taking money for Assange, then they will be after us next.

      • JeffH

        meteorlady, I think you’re more right than wrong.

      • ARN001

        I agree. I also believe that ‘restucturing’ of the ‘elite’ puppets will dictate just who gets told on…then they will try to silence the rest of us.

  • Lita Z. Biejo

    Truth must come out iregardless of the consequence. I have no problem with truth

  • Mike

    The same people who are always supporting the “wars” to save our “freedom” are the first to assail anyone who tries to promote freedom. Assange is a hero who exposed evil and illegality in our ever expanding government. This, the government cannot stand or tolerate. The sheeple must not be allowed the truth and must be spoon fed government lies and freedom of information must never be allowed to get in the way. National security is always screamed but no one has been harmed by the release of this info by Assange and WikiLeaks except the government agents who have been exposed for their lies and deceptions. This is good for us, but bad for big government. A populace kept in ignorance cannot effectively govern and control its government.
    Only those favoring a police state are upset by all of this. I, for one, am not afraid of the truth and feel that the people in a free state need to know the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
    Once the government is allowed to withhold information from “we the people” there is no end to it. Government will never be satisfied until they control all information and all the media outlets, which they almost control now, with the one exception, the internet, which this “crisis” will now allow them to do in the interest of “national security”. Welcome to the New World Odor and Big Brother. Mike

    • Dan az

      I think you are right on the money this could be very well called a false flag.This is the premise of removing our first amendment rights and shutting down sites like this.We know they are trying to do it and know they will use this against all of us like other countries have done before.

      • Lewis Munn

        Look at how Hitler controlled information, suppressing some, and adding false things to the information flow.

        But our Government would NEVER suppress freedom of speech, would they???

  • Joyce from Loris

    What a great article. It sure gives you “food for thought” on both sides. I have read other articles concerning this issue that say WE AIN’T HEARD NOTHING YET. Hmmmmm….

  • Teresa

    Once again I will state….Assange and what he did was no more than a tool…there were higher ups that deliberately leaked the info…Assange leaked info at the exact moment they wanted him to, he is nothing but a mere tool…..WHO SUFFERS…..US AND OUR ALLIES AND OUR TROOPS! END OF STORY! So regardless of your opinion of the facts of what you already knew of his publishings, he put lives at risk, destroyed our foreign relations, already proved what we knew, and WHO SUFFERS! KISS YOUR FREEDOMS GOODBYE

    • American Citizen

      It seems we have a spy/spies in the upper echelons of our government. This is where they should be looking. Who do you trust? It’s hard to know anymore.

    • Doomer

      Lost in all of this confusion is the main culprit: an American homosexual soldier who leaked the entire info to Assange’s organization out of frustration or on purpose to try to overturn the military’s “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy.

      Everybody cries out Assange, Assange but what about the original leaker?

      Found that info via WND a couple of wks ago.

      • Doomer

        Don’t forget Rahm Emanuel’s infamous quote, “Don’t let a good crisis go to waste”.

      • Teresa

        And don’t think for one second he was not a mere tool also! There is MORE to this story then HIM alone!

        • Doomer

          Yup Teresa,

          We know that the govt allowed that to happen as a pretext in taking over the internet.

          Obama, where is your long form birth certificate?

          Papa Soros behind the reins in many areas of deceit.

          • Teresa

            also funny that the jihads had actually written a plan describing the wikileaks over 10 yr. ago. The FBI and CIA and the government know all about this, and it is NO surprise to them, so do not let them fool you for one second! The real question is WHO in government or HOW many are working with them!

  • Arcadia CA once

    Santa Claus Is Coming To Town

    You better watch out
    You better not cry
    Better not pout
    I’m telling you why
    Santa Claus is coming to town

    He’s making a list,
    And checking it twice;
    Gonna find out Who’s naughty and nice.
    Santa Claus is coming to town

    He sees you when you’re sleeping
    He knows when you’re awake
    He knows if you’ve been bad or good
    So be good for goodness sake!

    O! You better watch out!
    You better not cry.
    Better not pout, I’m telling you why.
    Santa Claus is coming to town.
    Santa Claus is coming to town.

    It sounds like Santa Claus is the government.
    Expect more TSA like tactics on the internet as a result of this.

  • Kimbo

    This all seems too orchestrated to be mere coincidence. As a result of Assange’s release of “classified” information Obamarama now takes action to selectively close down or censor information contained on some websites. It all looks like a power play to me. Don’t look too closely at specifics look at the big picture.

    • Doomer


  • Grey Wolf

    Personally, I think this more about disinformation than information.
    It’s amazing how Assange was able to obtain so called government secrets with very little effort & virtually no scrutiny. In essence, this could be another false flag. A good alibi for more government control of the internet analogous to the phony war on terrorism. Just look at the number of rights & privileges that hve been usurped since 9/11! The great tragedy however is the overall public apathy about this controversy. The masses have no clue about the significance of this affair & the impact that it will have on both the future & their personal lives. Time will tell, but by then it will be too late.

    • Doomer

      All of that happened once we turned our backs on God for a long time.

      How in the heck did Americans win the Revolutionary War in first place?

      Answer: God.

      How in the heck did America defeat Japan and Germany in WW2?

      Answer: God.

      How in the heck did outnumbered Israel triumph over her enemies in 1967 and 1973 and so on?

      Answer: God.

      America ain’t perfect for a long time dating back to Eurpoean colonization of the New World but without America and God, the world would be much a darker place.

      Nuff said.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        I agree. You are correct on each of the points you listed.

    • Lewis Munn

      Our Public Schools have been being systematically moved from education including our own History to socially engineered learning how wonderful it is a penguin has two fathers, who get divorced!!

      And we do not learn about what our Founding Fathers said since they had religious thoughts, nor how we won battles, even wars, against Pirates and Insurrections by a military that was not shackled by politicians, and political correctness.

      How many wars have we won recently, and how many Pirates have we stopped, lately, by UN resolutions, and especially by Politically-correct techniques in battle? Has anyone calculated how many more battles we will win by DADT being repealed? Will the Taliban be more intimidated by male soldiers in lipstick and rouge?

  • Raggs

    I stated soon after this administration took / usurped office that anyone that stood in the way or spoke out against it would be taken care of…. Especially after seeing what happened to Joe the plumber.

    Is anyone here surprised in what is happening to Assagne????

    I expect the ones here or anywhere for that matter that is surprized should put away the kool-aid…

    • Karolyn

      Assange is just lovin’ it! He’s got his picture all over the media and is enjoying his 15 minutes immensely.

      • ARN001

        Yes, im sure he is enjoying the loss of his freedoms….and being held without charges..

        • Karolyn

          Don’t you know the type? He will make millions now.

        • Bruce D.

          To some degree I think Karolyn is right. He is a hero to many on this site. I would guess most here would buy his book. I would not. But if the U.S. locks him up for a long time he will have regrets. It depends on the length of time he is in jail.

  • FlaJim

    At first, this article appeared to be a parody of some sort. Then I realized that Mr Livingstone really is some conspiracy nut. The CIA set Assange up, huh? Right. The CIA for the past few decades has been so inept, it would screw up a one car funeral procession.

    There exists a ‘cabal of evil of evil banksters’ who’ve ‘stolen the American Dream?’ Come on, give me a break. The banking crisis brought on by the burst of the housing bubble was a direct result of leftist Dem strong-arm tactics, forcing banks to loan money to people they wouldn’t ordinarily consider. They also forced companies like AIG, the largest insurance conglomerate in the world and one of the most prosperous, to invest their reserves in what were labeled securites but really just badly performing mortgages.

    Insinuating that the PFC who copies these documents is some sort of patriot is equally ludicrous. He’s a disgruntled homosexual whose admitted aim was to harm the US, not save it.

    Get your facts straight.

    • Kimbo

      Liberal policies have been forced down our throats which have been causing failures across all facets of our society. These failures “required” that the government get involved to right the wrongs that THEY created. The same nutjobs that caused the wrongs are in charge of the cure. What is happening is no less than a re distribution called Socialism. Big government is attempting to create and fuel a war against private business and the wealthy so THEY will be in charge of making things fair. That is laughable. The extension of unemployment benefits to over two years is stupidity at it’s purest. Government mandated health insurance is another move toward the same end. Everyone hang on,…….we’re gonna be in for one hell of a ride very shortly. “The People don’t want no Socialism man.”

    • meteorlady

      “The Bilderberg Group meets in secret for off the record discussions on world issues under the Chatham House Rule, whereby participants are not allowed to disclose what was said, and representatives from the media who are invited are sworn to secrecy.

      Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands founded the group with their first meeting in 1954. Well known Bilderberg attendees in recent years include David Rockefeller, Henry Kissinger, Vice President Joe Biden, Secretary of Treasury Timothy Geithner, former Federal Reserve Chairman Paul Volcker. Bilderbergers in the UK include former Prime Ministers Tony Blair and Gordon Brown, David Miliband, Ed Balls and Chancellor George Osborne.

      One common practice of the Bilderberg Group is to invite potential future heads of state to their meetings, to see if they will go along with their agenda. To cite a few examples, George H. W. Bush attended the 1985 meeting, Bill Clinton attended in 1991, Tony Blair in 1993, and Ramano Prodi, former head of the EU Commission in 1999. Both Barak Obama and Hilary Clinton are believed to have attended the 2008 meeting in Washington D.C.

      One common practice of the Bilderberg Group is to invite potential future heads of state to their meetings, to see if they will go along with their agenda. To cite a few examples, George H. W. Bush attended the 1985 meeting, Bill Clinton attended in 1991, Tony Blair in 1993, and Ramano Prodi, former head of the EU Commission in 1999. Both Barak Obama and Hilary Clinton are believed to have attended the 2008 meeting in Washington D.C.

      Below are just a few examples of plans and discussions which have taken place at Bilderberg meetings, according to the various researchers inside sources.

      * At the 1955 Bilderberg meeting held in Germany, members discussed the agenda to form the European Union with a single European currency. Bilderberg chairman Etienne Davignon has boasted that Bilderberg helped to create the Euro.

      * In 1973 they increased the price of oil to $12 a barrel, a 350% jump.

      * In 1989 they worked to have British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher removed from office, because she was too euro-sceptic.

      * At the June 2002 meeting, they decided to postpone the attack on Iraq until March 2003.

      * In 2005 they discussed imposing a UN tax on people worldwide through a direct tax on oil.

      * In 2008 they discussed implanting microchips into humans.

      * In 2009 they discussed how to restructure the global economy, and plans to turn the World Health Organization into a world department of health, and the IMF into a global treasury.”

      Read more at Suite101: Do the Bilderberg Group Rule the World?

      So, what do you think they do at these meetings? Have coffee? Drink some fine wine? Have a nice dinner and visit? Then they all go home…..

      • ARN001

        Yes. Take a good close look at the Rothschilds, did you know they own 80% of Israel??

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        That now is something Wiki Leaks needs to attack. Lets get them to start leaking out as to what the Rothschilds and the Bilderburg meetings contain. Im sure we all would like a little exposure about their goings on. Whoever is taking over for Assange, here you go. A good topic for you to get all kinds of info on, then divulge it to the public, and be a real hero.

        • meteorlady

          There is a reporter that has been studying the Bilderburg meetings from about 20 years. How secret are they? He was able to infiltrate the meetings a couple of times as a waiter or grounds keeper. Now they look for him and escort him off premises every single time he manages to get in. There is video of him being followed by black BMW in order to scare him. I’m sorry, but can’t remember his name. Saw a thing about him on the History channel one night. After all that – he is still trying to get some real concrete proof, but all he has is what he saw and heard at the meetings he was able to get into. He says they actually plan what will happen around the world at their yearly meetings. These are scary ruthless people that will stop at nothing to gain complete control.

        • Lewis Munn

          And how long do you think they will survive? Mysterious accidents do happen!!

  • Thecommd

    WOW, For all you anti-American non-patriots, Please find another country to live in.
    Understand there is a difference between freedom of the press/speech and espionage.
    Both the PFC and Assange are guilty of espionage and need to be punished to the fullest extend of the law. As for the PFC and anyone else that would do what he did, that is treason. Our Government and agencies associated with protesting our national security should take whatever action necessary to resolve this. I am not saying that people in leadership roles are perfect, But America is the Best and greatest country on this planet, We need to do whata ever is necessary to keep it that way.

    • meteorlady

      America is fast becoming a third world nation. We are the highest debtor nation, we are controlled more and more by our government, our borders are open with a welcome sign, and our schools are teaching crap to our children.

      As for espionage, exactly what did he release that cause an actual person to be in any type of danger? He has mostly embarrassed the fat cats that have been lording it over us for years and exposed them for their petty and immoral selves. As for some of the other stuff, like our strategic locations, I bet everyone knew those anyway.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        As to your last line, about the locations. I said that in a previous post, that the enemy probably already has a list of targets they want, but even knowing that, releasing this list was undoubtedly the undoing of Assange. You just cannot do that. I think he was arrogant and thought he could do anything he wanted, and he found out different. Pride comes before the fall, and I think this mans proudness is what brought him down.

        • meteorlady

          I think it was probably over the line, but again… I believe that our enemies already knew those locations. If they didn’t, then they are probably pretty inept.

      • Lewis Munn

        I agree. We are rapidly going down hill as Political Correctness replaces honesty, and political promises are broken in late night smoke filled rooms! And those who care are silenced.

    • Raggs

      Thats the whole problem.. the ole “we know whats best for you, and your too stupid to realize trouble when you see it” trick!..

      That falls on the same line as “never let a crisis go to waste”..

      The elitist think we are all just a bunch of dumb sheep…

    • Bitter Libertarian

      Espionage = the systematic use of spies to obtain secret information, esp by governments to discover military or political secrets.

      Hmmmmm..what “political secrets” do they (the US or any Govt) need to keep hidden from their people?

      Theres an old saying and its very true…”Lies have to be covered up, the truth can run around naked”
      When playing Chess a very strategic game, all the pieces are out for all to see. Even with that transparency theres a winner & a loser and in most cases it comes down to the player who is the most skilled rarely is luck the decider.
      It seems to me that Political Transparency is gone because there are adjenda’s that we the people are not allowed to see because…???

      We are not at war (legally/oficially) the last time I checked the US Constitution so what exactly needs to be Hidden? I’m not talking about Troop strengths, or technical data here. This is POSTURING for CORPORATE GAIN! You and I dont benifit from this why defend its secrecy?
      The sooner most Americans realize that the terrorist Bussiness, and “defending freedom wars are all Bogus the sooner they can shed their Zombie suit and become citizens again!

      • Bob Wire

        “There’s an old saying and its very true…”Lies have to be covered up, the truth can run around naked”

        Never heard that before, I like it.

        So~Oh! ~ this “clearing house for “Whistle Blower’s” is a bad thing?

        well, it’s certainly a new thing to me, how cleaver!

        You know the life of a whistle blower traditionally is not exactly “Easy Street” and they often find themselves compromised is many ways, from personal injury, loss of wages to death.

        I’m not convinced this “clearing house platform” is a bad thing.

        How this information/disinformation is to be used yet another issue.

    • amanfromMars

      Have you ever wondered why you are not told the truth by your leadership, Thecommd?

      And if you are not, would you be living in a reality which is false. And how weird is that.

    • 4irw4y

      wait, rendition? is there anybody in Britain who wants a case against Assange on a domestic territory?

      anyone who has read through all 250K, any country to accept Assange, just mathematically?

      looks like the crowd under the vent wants blood more than water. what a hell of a smell!

  • meteorlady

    I still wonder if he is being used for a “crisis” and that this is the set up to take over the internet by government. Seems it already is happening in that sites are being shut down.

    Once the dust settles on this one, and he publishes what he has about the banks, the government will have another “crisis” that will enable our government to sell us on completely taking over the banks in this country.

    Most of what he leaked about some of our nation’s representatives was already probably known, though not the details. We knew for a fact that most of our higher ups are deceitful, vindictive liars and that they had no moral or ethical values to begin with. So, some very high ups are embarrassed and they should be – they look like petty fools.

    Assange is a useful idiot at best, I think.

  • jim

    I am not a conservative and often disagree with positions taken here. I am an international lawyer. Bob, I think you’re right on with your article here and admire you for writing and publishing it.

  • Contarian

    There are indications the Assange is an itel asset. Am waiting on the full data dump (if ever), but suspect he has already accomplished his owners tasks.
    Disposable, in other words.

  • LiarsMustBeDefeated

    For a video documentary with some interesting add-ins, google wiki rebels documentary.

  • Beth

    It is possible to be both concerned about what Wikileaks reveals and outraged at Assange’s actions, behavior, and disregard for the damage he may be causing to innocent lives.

    Were your article to also recognize the costs of Wikileaks, your arguments would be more compelling. As it is, it’s not reasoned discourse and therefore, disappointing.

    • Bruce D.

      I agree with you Beth. I though the article a little bit odd. I will be watching to see if the woman who cried rape worked for the CIA as Bob claims.

    • meteorlady

      I don’t consider Hilliary Clinton an innocent life, or for that matter many of the others that were mentioned and quoted. They are immoral power hungry elites that let nothing stand in the way of their quest for more and more power and domination. They are dangerous scum.

      As for the strategic locations? They were probably already known by our enemies. Did you see any actual stop secret weapons plans, troop strengths, battle plans?

  • fed up!

    This is a typical case of Shoot the Messenger! If anyone needs to be in jail, start with all of the Jackasses in the current administration and dont stop there. It is past time to clean house folks!!

    • Bob Wire

      so true and we started by avoiding a bullet by blocking McCain assent to power.

      As for where to start today !

      Start with yourself!

      Why we want to clean up our neighbors back yard before our own makes little sense.

      “Truth? you can’t handle the truth!” Gotta love Jack Nicholson, one of the best movie “lines” since, “Badges? We don’t need no stinking badges!”

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        John McCain is the very reason Obama got elected Bob. In a time when people are sick of career politicians, you tell me just why the heck the Republicans would run 150 year old John McCain, who is a 125 year career politician? Just like the illegal problem in Arizona. How long has he been there? And now he is backing the rallying cry with Governor Brewer, but I have to wonder, what the heck has he been doing about it the last 20 years? Nothing. He is the very reason Obama got elected, no doubt about it.

  • tim

    We will lose more freedoms because of this idiot! You and I can’t do a thing about the gov’t, we don’t have the money or the power and elections are to far apart. I do know that I will be voting independent from now on. The 2 party system needs to end. They need to get things done in washington, not spend all thier time blaming the other guy!!!!!!

    • Pat R


      There is something we all can do about the government! We have another
      government that has re-inhabited the original offices of Our Founding
      Fathers government. These offices have been sitting vacant since the
      UNITED STATES CORPORATION as put into effect in 1871.
      We have a De Jure Government ready to go. When the time is right; this
      totally corrupt and out of control madness known as Washington DC will
      be just a bad bad memory.
      Join us and live freely.

  • Robert Ryan

    Bill of Rights, anyone remember thoses, well thanks to the “Patriot Act” they are gone. We no longer have any rights. Seems the government forget how our nation was born. In case they forgot it was born out of REVOLUTION from an opressive monarch. Now instead of a monarch we have socialism trying to take over. In November we partly got rid of the problem. So as long as we still have the right to say how we want the government to run in the upcoming general election get rid of the rest of the problem. As far as classified doucments release, you people know as well as I do, the media of any sorts thrives on sensenatioalism. How else can they get you to subscribe to the trash that get printed today.

  • Charles

    Be it deeds or words, for good or ill, sooner or later for all of us, truth will come to light. For there is nothing covered that will not be revealed, nor hidden that will not be known. Therefore whatever you have spoken in the dark will be heard in the light, and what you have spoken in the ear in inner rooms will be proclaimed on the houstops. Luke 12:2 & 3

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Thats right Charles. And any of these sneeky dirty goings on that politicians, judges, lawyers, doctors, insurance and banking execs, and they think they are getting away with cheating and swindling the people, and lining their pockets with gold, there is one True Judge that sees it all, and they all get to answer to Him one fine day. That is the hope I and other like me have, in knowing that one day all these wrongs will be made right, and all the dirty sins they commit will be revealed, and they will pay for them. For as you said, they are not going unseen. All is seen.

  • Dee

    If you see this video, it explains it all and it works for me.

    • Bob Wire

      good one Dee! we pick and choose what’s offered by those that pick and choose without even asking the most simple questions, like when , what , who and why, willing to take things at face value and out of context.

  • Cameron

    I wonder if most of the posters to this article would be interested in seeing Obama’s REAL birth certificate, IF one actually exists!
    We need government to keep order in our lives & to preserve civilization, or chaos & anarchy will prevail.
    Julian Assange is no hero. Everything he did was not for the betterment of the US, the world, or anybody but his own ego. If he just wanted to embarrass America, why didn’t he turn his “journalistic talents” to uncovering the facts of whether or not Obama is in fact a “natural-born citizen” of the US as required by the Constitution to be President? No, Assange is the fool who stirs the “stuff” in the bottom of the outhouse just to raise a stink.

    • Bruce D.

      I can see your point of view and do not disagree with it. It does looks like Obama has a birth certificate though. One that supports the idea he was not born in Hawaii but using the grandfathers house as a legal residence while being born somewhere else. It is not a certificate given to someone actually born in the state of Hawaii but of someone who claims Hawaii as their home state.

    • Pat R

      It was stated somewhere that Assange had met with George Soros. There is the solution to all the questions. This is all just propaganda to cause more chaos and help their cause. Don’t dwell on this too much;
      keep your mind and eyes on what goes on in DC. Don’t be sidetracked by more BS.

      • Andee

        Nullify this Presidency so we can get our country back and bring this goon to trial for sedition and treason along with being a total fraud; then we can get Pelosi too. She did not vet him. Soros behind this and has said he will dump the stupid one if he does not play the game as he wants it. You decide.

    • USNpops

      The fallout from this is not just going to cause problems for the US, but may bring down some of our strongest supportere among our allies. There have been some somewhat embarrasing items about our leadership. But nothing earthshaking. We all know Hilary is a [expletive deleted], and this just makes it more clear.

      Very little of what has been released will hurt people in the US, but some of those leaders in other less stable countries are put in a bad light and their opposition is jumping on it. This could alter the balance of world power drastically, and perhaps not in a good way.

  • matt brinck

    Assange is a whistle blower. We had one for Bernie Madoff for 10 years telling the SEC he was a crook and they looked the other way. This country is in a very bad way an Oligarchy of big corporations. Hell Mosanto is into population control along with Bill Gates but everyones head is so far up their watusi’s they cant figure it out. (/11 govt sponsored for war, gulf oil disaster govt sponsored for land rights and population control.Creation of ice age in Europe. So many conspiracies its unreal. Obama along with Bush were and are Manchurian Presidents. Ron Paul will be are only hope for the true American dream. Only one you can trust. Just hope the pope mobile is still around after he is elected. He will be high on the list for assasination. Just like JFK.

  • Delores Smith

    Obama and Soros have done everything possible to anger and confuse the American people. I believe that Obama and Soros have something to do with this. Obama never wanted Karzai to be elected. He wanted Abdulah Abdulah to win…a Marxist…Obama called it Social Justice. WikiLeaks went to Soros’ Open Society for donations. Don’t know if they got it. The Leaks stress Karsai’s corruption very much in Obama’s words. I do know that WikiLeaks functioned in Germany, tapping computers all over the world. Soros is very comfortable in Germany where he seized land from the Jewish people prior to the Nazi’s taking them to the gas chambers. Look at Arizona and the Gulf States…look at our nation. They want to destroy America as they prepare for The New World Order. What better way than to demean everyone.
    Delores Smith

    • meteorlady

      Very nice Doris. I agree, but it’s more than just Soros. Can’t even believe we let a slime bag like Soros live in this country and contribute to politics and get tax breaks for his organizations.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        It kind of says loads about the democrats who have openly gotten into bed with him, doesnt it? Shows their true heart.

  • HomeOfTheBrave

    Yes, Bob, as you say, “the release of diplomatic cables by WikiLeaks has embarrassed the ruling elite. It revealed that they are a cabal of petty, backbiting, untrusting and untrustworthy tyrants, eager to do or say anything to have their way and grow their empire. And that embarrassment is at the heart of the public uproar that has ensued since the cables were released.”

    So our hired hands are embarrassed by the revealing of their ineptness in their jobs that spoke lies, all kinds of deceit, more than likely under the table funds and sex favors and abuse of all kinds just so they could keep their jobs? Yeah, that’s what most of us had figured out long ago. Something about fresh air of truth vs putrid odor of con jobs. This is the best thing that has happened to us in a very very long time. Yes, it will hopefully humiliate the con artists to resign because they are the true “traitors in the camp.” Traitors to truth, to freedom, to their bosses We The People. They must know that we will no longer tolerate their warming by our fires, and will scurry off elsewhere.

    This man stands on the same stage with our brave, honest, dedicated to truth and freedom and good governance FOUNDERS. At last we see this characteristic in a man that will cleanse our future from the corrupt slime who have invaded us. He fights TYRANTS. Whats the matter with the few Americans who want to remain ostriches, who want the govt to take care of them, who don’t want to fight for anything? Our system has been twisted to give them a welcome home. They can leave with the con artists or wake up and be Americans.

    OMG this is the most wonderful opportunity we have ever had to ensure we get reporters who are dedicated and excited to give us truth in news reports, who will not be bought, who know their job is to serve Freedom, Truth, and We The People. Newspapers will be bought and read again.

    Rape? This boy would never rape anyone, he is not a slimy film director who destroys children by rape and sodomy that Hollywood cheers and countries protect, this boy would have women everywhere falling in love with him. Rape? Ha. Yeah that is the best our sick lawyers and reporters who are owned, can come up with. You guys just Scr*wed yourselves in the opinion of many many Americans.

    Honored to have you in our time, Julius Assange. We lovers of truth and the USA are grateful.

    • meteorlady

      Maybe he is to be honored as telling the truth, but I believe he is a dupe for the world’s elites like the Bilderburg Group. This release of information has already resulted in certain websites being shut down, PayPal, Visa and Master Card have fallen into place and not allowed free enterprise at the government’s request, and we will see more hefty banking regulations are his release of the banking documents he says he has. this is just another created “crisis” to take more and more control over the masses.

    • marvin

      one thing about freedom of speach,is you have the right to agree with assange,but i say we don,t need our dirty landry aired,in front of the world,this is what starts wars,as for the private that down loaded the documents ,that was treason and in time of war can get the death penalty,this solder new what he was doing was treason

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Obama went throughout the world airing our dirty laundry and telling them we are sorry for being a successful nation, demeaning our way of life, and supporting what they do. I would find him guilty also.

      • meteorlady

        Are you not offended that our “leaders” even have dirty laundry to aire?

  • EltonJ

    I’m not sure if I like this guy Although I stand with the Founders and the Son of Man, I don’t think this guy should be lauded by libertarians. I think this is a trick being played by the same people who play Obama. Assange is an anarchist who was inspired by the very people he is exposing. So I think he is a tool to further unrest.

    • Bob Wire


      A archenemy conspirator at every turn in the road.

      This is an International story so “44′s” tenure is a International plot, I’m left to assume?

      I don’t know much about this guy really, but he doesn’t strike me as being for sale or attempting to favor or father any one particular “national cause or interest”

      What do I not know that would change my mind?

  • Dale

    I believe that the idea that a pfc can have access to this volume of secrets is absurd. I do believe that the availability of these documents reveals a weakness in the security systems surrounding the use of the internet as a “super-highway” for the communications of “sensitive” information, that our government or no government wants to talk about.

    I also believe that anything we send on the internet, such as this comment, or our personal bank information, or our tax information if we file electronically is all equally vulnerable to “viewing and publication”. Is the reality that we should all quit using the internet for our personal communications?

    • American Citizen

      This is why I won’t use the internet to do my banking or buying. Too many hackers out there.

      • USNpops

        There is no ranking limit to who gets Clearance in the military. It is decided by your need to work with sensitive documents and systems that are kept secret for good reason. It is also not given freely. The procedures and investigation into your background are deep and take time.

        I worked in the Anti Submarine Warfare field in the Navy, and had to be cleared. Some of the techniques and systems we used were developed and unique enough that if they were to be leaked, would allow any enemy to develop countermeasures that would put our Submariners in jeopardy.

        And when you are given this clearance you are cautioned that the penalty for violating the oath of secrecy would be severe.

  • oldtexgal

    Ya’ know…. it doesn’t help that Assange is such an arrogant, elitist, thoroughly unsympathetic character. Think it is probably OK that those in the diplomatic community have been “embarrassed” by being exposed as petty and thoroughly unprofessional in their communications.

    My concern is the obvious lack of security by our government… that a prissy Private had access to classified communication, and was able to download thousands of documents and provide them to Assange without detection, is extremely troubling. Heaven only knows if the Chinese, Russians, and jihadis, have already paid some worthless rat to copy and provide them a mountain of top secret military and stategic data! Would our government even notice?

    The media went nutz when insignificant Valerie Plame, was “outted” as a CIA employee. This publication of documents IS significant, but went largely unaddressed by the press, and certainly ignored by the Justice Department… that same Justice Department who can Marandize the pantie bomber within hours of detention, and can move at rocket speed to sue BP or the State of Arizona.

    Don’t much care what happens to Assange, but want to see Bradley Manning severely punished for his treasonous behavior. If it can be proved that US one agent, soldier, or Afghan or Iraqi ally is killed, because of his crime, he should pay with his life. I want to know that security clearances have been dramatically tightened up. The fundamental problem is governmental irresponsibility and incompetence.

    • American Citizen


  • joe sun

    this whole thing sounds like a smoke screen to me whats really going on that the goverment does not want the people to know about.,

  • Gene

    This ass needs to be hung by his scrotum in the town square for all to see.

  • John Galt

    I know that I have put words in writing that I would not like to be made public, and have had conversations over insecure lines which I would not like to have been tapped into, but when I have something I really would like to be private I take care to ensure it will be. What Wiki leaks has produced is interesting, and embarrassing to some, but it’s the things that wiki leaks has NO access to at all that should worry us.
    What we should be learning is that those who we allow to have control over us, are badly in need of being controlled to a greater degree by us.

  • Alexander Worthington


    • FreedomFighter

      Julian ASSange is a rat, being called a hero by other nasty evil little rats.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

      • Average Joe

        While we usually agree on things, this time we do not. So far the only casualties have been a bunch of bruised egos…and I can live with that. If the politicians don’t want us to know what they really think…maybe they should learn to keep their moths shut.
        What was the adage?….
        Sometimes it is better to keep your mouth shut and let other believe you are a fool….rather than to open it and remove all doubt.

        Apparently our annointed ones have ot learned that yet.

      • HomeOfTheBrave

        From a family of military, Laus Deo and Semper Fi are embedded. It’s criminal that our troops have been ill-equipped, over-extended terms, and had to be saved by Americans from the filth of SOME VA hospitals. Some, certainly not all. One is too many. We OWE our great Laus Deo Semper Fi the right to expect citizens to fight the good battle here at home to ensure truth, justice and the American way that many give their lives for. We MUST kick out the liars in our govt, those who play trickery with lives, those who love intrigue and spy books more than truth and honor.

        Purple Hearts here are highly regarded. Lies are not.

        Look at this situation again. This guy is out on a limb and some who are shaking in their flip flops are again encouraging people to saw off the limb… and drop him into the clutches of commies, socialists, marxists. They can entrap him or we can put him on our shoulders and save truth, honor, openness in our country. He’s made the trail for us to get out of this tangle and jungle of lies. This is very complicated and beware of the strategies in dealing with him and the fresh faced military guy who intended to save the USA. He and Assange might just have done that. Any US military would rather die on the battlefield with truth and honor than as a tool of manipulative money grubbing liars.

        • Average Joe

          Well atated sir…Thank you!

    • Carol

      I think you had better go back to school and learn ENGLISH because what you said is the opposite of what you meant.

      This man is a horrible person and you want to align with this monster yes what he saying MIGHT be the truth but should NEVER be said.

  • EleanorC

    Is their any hope for the pathetic state of our nation and if so, what’s the cure? How do you fix what you no longer can trust. Without honor, do we really even have a leg to stand on?

    • Bob Wire

      Eleanor, ~ we don’t represent most American, and that’s a good thing, ~ I think.

      Politics is much like a game of poker and always has been. What is known, what’s assumes, and what’s possible.

      These leaks just add more dimension to the game and people are confused by it.

      The ability to bluff and raise the bet is coming under attack.

      Leaving people left to play the true value of their cards ~ at least until they figure out a strategy around it.

      Beware of Greek’s bearing gifts ~ there is nothing new under the sun.

  • marvin

    our goverment cares not about your privicy or your rights ,when holder was ask BY SEN SESSIONS if he had read the arizona immigration law,his answer NO,nepolitano said it not illegal to be undocumented then when sen session said it is illegal,nepolitano said well it is illegal but not criminal to be undocumented,my point is we have nuts running the nut house,from the white house down,only one they go after are the ones that are not breaking the law,if you are in the unions or here illegally,you get a free pass to the white house,vote in 2012 for sanity in goverment

  • Bitter Libertarian

    I can see where this wiki leaks is feared by politicians..once people read what was really said..vice what the mainstream corporate news reports and how the different Govt Reacts, or doesnt react.

    Bottom line no matter what the immediate results are, seeds are being planted i peoples minds that what they see is often scripted and a LIE. I honestly dont know if this guy is a schill or an honest information distributer, and in some ways the only way we will know are if he gets taken out. He Dies You know he was legit…thats my belief.

    Although, if you are going to wage war at this level…going big-loud and public is key. Time will tell us more..this isnt over friends.

  • Navigator30

    If Julien had been around prior to WWII would he have released the “truth” that we had broken the Japanese Diplomatic Code and had warning of the attack on Pearl Harbor? Would he have released the information that we had broken the JN-25 code that allowed the US forces to win the Battle of Midway?

  • Bill

    The man is an idiot, a dirt bag and useless to society. I dont care what the info he leaks he should be eliminated for divulging secrets damaging to our country. If our weak kneed current administration wont do anything let our CIA have it and in a week he and his top staff would be eliminated. The sad fact here in my opinion is that his group is funded by a George Soros group who in turn supports our current socialist president.

  • American Citizen

    The big thing here is that we can no longer trust our government to do its job, the security of this country and its people. That’s the real reason for a Federal government, not to be a sugar daddy. The current administration keeps proving its ineptness and ignorance. Where can we find honest and true statesmen anymore? Is there such a person/persons? If there is, will they please stand up and be recognized?

    • Bob Wire

      you never could. The sinking of the Maine and the Spanish-American War showed us that.

  • trp878

    I have some grave doubts about this whole wiki thing. Unfortunately the govt has not been honest with the American people for many years now and instead of apologizing for their previous errors, they have a tendency to create a diversion and to blame someone else. Had they apologized for their numerous errors, instead of sweeping them under the rug, it would be easy to accept their rhetoric today. I have yet to see any devastating facts released at this point. Most of the news leaks are nothing new, as in years past, Hoover’s FBI created dossiers on all congress members and other people in this Country, to keep them in line and of course to pursued them to give in to what Hoover felt was good for His agency.
    Many are against wiki and what was done, however, all probabilities point to our Govt. being behind many of the adverse comments being anti Wiki. Again, I am not totally convinced either way, however, I continue to watch anything aired pro or con.

  • Cabby – AZ

    Let me say this: Julian Assange’s history is deeply marred. When much younger he was arrested in Australia for hacking. He is one obnoxious narcissist who is basking in the light of notoriety.

    He is aiding and abetting Col. Manning and others who HAVE broken the law by tapping into classified documents. HE IS NO HERO! Those who feel that the knowledge they have gained is worthwhile forget
    that we “don’t do evil that good may come.” For example, you don’t go out and kill someone so that his organs can be harvested to save other lives. THAT IS OUTRAGEOUS SIN. I am surprised at Livingston’s opinion.

    • Bob Wire

      yea, Black Beard wasn’t seen as a nice guy either and picked up a lot of bad press. But in fact he was a product of the Crown and did their bidding for many years.

      A perfect argument for the need of “severance pay”

      That Julian Assange’s history might be viewed as colorful comes as no surprise considering the Family size can of worms he has opened.

      Tell us, what was claimed that he hyjacked? Baby formula, comic books, guns, heat seeking ground to air missiles, a truck shipment of Trojan condoms? I’d like to know.

      maybe I can look it up? I found nothing in a brief search

  • James Graham

    o American Conserative says:
    December 7, 2010 at 11:09 am
    An Admendment to the Constitution may be the only way; but how it is worded means everything. I suggest that it be stated like this:
    The Executive, Judicial, Legislative Branches of the Federal Government – employee(s), appointee(s), beauracrat(s), volunteer(s) and all elected person(s)of the Republic are subject to, without exception or exclusion, all Laws and Executive Orders (Executive Orders are not enforceable as Law without Legislative passage by Majority vote of each elected Party of both Houses of the Congress) that are passed upon the citizen, and non-citizen alike. All person(s) that have sworn/affirmed an oath to Defend the Constitution of the Republic of the United States are subject to said Laws. No person(s) subject to the Constitution of the Republic will be exempt from the affect/effect of this Admendment. Failure of the United States Justice Department to enforce Federal Law(s) upon the Executive, Judicial, Legislative Branches of the Federal Government will be guilty of Treason against the Constitution of the Republic. United States Law is the only Law authorized to be used to decide or determine the ruling of any case affecting/effecting the Republic of the United States or its Citizens and it is Treason against the Republic for any Court to use/consider any other Law to make its ruling. The United States is a Republic and English is the Official Language of the peoples of the Republic. All Legal Documents are to be in the Official Language and no other without exception. This Admendment affects/effects Past, Present, Future of the Republic.

  • home boy

    if the government wasn’t so corrupt i could agree with your view. since that is not true any and all info helps

  • Average Joe

    Thank you so much Bob for backing up what I have been saying since this whole episode started… People are too quick to kill the messenger…rather than to listen to the message.

    • Average Joe

      BTW, Now that we have some “transparency” in Government…no one wants to look….are we somehow confused with what to do with that which we have demanded from our government….when it is finally offered? I’ll take any transparency offered…over secrecy, lies and hidden agendas.

  • Shane

    Those in power in the government have over the last few decades conspired and manipulated countries to there bidding all for greed and power.

    This man will be hung out to dry just as I fear LT. COL. Lakin will be for speaking the truth. Not one DOJ official or senator or congressman or congresswoman will speak the truth and DEFEND the CONSTITUTION, Article II Section I.
    This country has turned it’s back on the LORD and is going to reap what it has sown.

  • Kevin

    All that I need to know is that Wikileaks startup funding, as with google, was with CIA venture capital money.

    Wikileaks is part of the government’s Hegelian Dialectic mechanism, which plays supposedly opposite sides against each other–this is how they can easily herd us.

    Remember, the media is currently owned by five mega-corporations–you see what they want you to see–and they are playing Wikileaks to the American public to give us the impression there is a “free” press.

    What you won’t find discussed on Wikileaks are real questions about 9-11 or UN Agenda 21, which is behind nearly every “green” policy in America.

  • Les

    If Julien, who is Australian, hates the U.S. that is his perogrative, but that does not give him the legal, or moral, right to arrange to steal classified American documents and broadcast them all over the world. I think that when a foreigner injects himself into our government in this manner it is called “Spying” and we have strict laws against that.

    On Fox news there was a supporter of Julien who claimed that our constitution gives him, Julien, the Australian, the right to freedom of speech. The reporter responded that he, an Australian, should stick to him own constitution and let us take care of ours.

    Our constitution does not give any rights to foreigners who steal from our country except the right to a fair, and speedy, trial. Now I know that Julien did not steal anything himself, but how did he acquire the documents legally? We also have laws against “receiving stolen property”!

    • Rusticus

      How do you know “he arranged to steal them?” Did you learn that on Mox News?

  • CJM

    If some want to consider this blackmailing bedbug a hero, that’s their opinion. While I am for exposing the truth in politics, I do not believe one should do this at the expense of others while placing them in danger. There is an appropriate time to release such information; endangering troops is certainly not the best way to go! I do not believe that Assange had anything except his own self-gain in mind. As for his legal issue: then he should have remembered his mother’s advice when he began dating as a young lad: “keep your pants zipped.” Had he done so, there would be no sorry cries of set-up or that the acts were consensual.

    • Rusticus

      Blackmailing? Why hasn’t the news media picked this up? You should let them know.

      Assange did not blackmail anyone. He performed the same service that the little boy did when he realized the emperor had on no clothes and he said so.

      • Bruce D.

        The news did say he was blackmailing and threatening the U.S. government with releasing more sensitive information.

  • Charles Apple

    For those of you who believe Assange is a traitor, you had better wake up! Any society will fail miserably when, Tuth becomes treasonous, and Deception becomes heroic.

    These are supposed to be “honorable people” that are in positions of authority in the United States Government. Apparently, they are some of the lowest criminal elements with a desire to destroy the United States and the American People.

    Wrong will always be wrong, and can in no way be justified regardles of who commites the wrong. More often than not, the Truth hurts. If you cannot tolerate the pain of truth, then withdraw to your own little fantasy world!

  • eddie47d

    Responsible journalism is important and maybe Assange should have vetted the information more carefully.There was no great mystery in what was released but what about next time? Assange did it because he could;The next guy may have more sinister plans. That being said, are we an open society or a closed society? The business of news has become entertainment and they can’t even tell the difference between fact and fiction. Some news shows proclaim guilt or innocence before a trial has been declared. A news program on Fox or MSNBC will do just that yet turn around and use every bit of information that Wikileaks exposed. They want to be morally superior no matter which side the issue falls on.

  • IVAN O.

    FOOD for thought, Maybe its all part of their plan.To keep us preoccupied talking about Juliian Assange, that we miss their true intensions and when we do, it might be to late.
    I think his having a laugh with his elite friends at our expense. Its all a show and we are watching, and for him needing money well i dont know the guy,so whose to say he does need money and that, that is the motive the MEDIA?.Something doesnt seem right with this whole Jllian Assange,issue.
    What is lurking behind the scenes is what worries me.

  • Jimmy G

    If this man where dangerous and his leaks truly damaging he would already be dead.
    Just another piece of worthless information in the form of news to keep us distracted from what really maters.

    His Word is truth.

  • Raggs

    I really really really think that the government just wants to keep us all stupid… Really!

    • 45caliber

      Of course they do. Leaders all over the world like to keep their people in the dark so they can have more power. Really great leaders, on the other hand, want to insure everyone knows everything. Unfortunately, we haven’t had a really great leader in a long, long time.

  • Howard R Gray

    Curious business, an army private soldier gets hold of a massive leak of documents many of diplomatic interest, not exactly military material. How so, and more to the point why? This reeks of an insider job of some sort. There isn’t much credibility in asserting that diplomatic traffic is available to private soldiers, there is distinct whiff of a ratus, ratus or perhaps ratus norvegicus here!

    Are we to believe that the security system is so devoid of effectiveness that anyone with the lowest rank can walk in and out with a bundle of data? None of this is believable, the leak is more likely than not intentional and directed to establish a change in the way diplomatic exchanges are entertained, and that it certainly has done. So what is the real target here? Liberty is the mark, create a problem then seek out a solution and we the public will be the worse off. The alternative is that the government at its most sensitive zones is stunningly incompetent; if that is true we are in a parlous state indeed.

    Another interesting point is at what level did this leak emanate from? You will hear next to nothing about this at all, it is apparently all the work of a private soldier. Besides the fact that there is diplomatic traffic in this bundle there isn’t much strategic material that matters beyond embarrassing cables that appear on the face of it to be only that. Yes some names are named, that adds to the credibility of the leak or the rat would have been outed immediately. The information is real but the intent is disinformative.

    Assange is largely irrelevant, the material leaked because of two things
    1. Stunningly lax security though I doubt that, treachery is possible but how far up the chain?
    2. The whole thing is a scam or a play on all of us, this is probable.

    The sooner Wiki-leaks release the most important material the better, bring it on I say. The only moral from this sordid story is that the government is either incompetent or disingenuous your pick, or both of course.

    • 45caliber

      He was in a position to get this info because he was a soldier. All political radios all over the world in our embassies are managed by US soldiers. Now civilians allowed. This soldier happened to work in Washington, where these messages all gathered, so he had more access than even most soldiers.

  • snagglepuss

    I’d go w/Bryans and Steve and Shane and AlexanderWorthington. The anti-Assangers reap what they sow. I think this government of ours has outlived its usefulness when it begins spying on its own people in the name of “freedom.” What, has MaCarthyism made a comeback? Dupe the sheep! What, Assange did a no-no in Sweden, wanted on “Sex charge?” See how well politics and comedy go together. I think the “clueless ones” should “wake up and die right!”

    • 45caliber

      I don’t know how many spy satellites we have in orbit now. I doubt if even the DOD knows. But I do know that over 60% of them are pointed at the US rather than any country who might cause us problems. In fact, they take pictures of every place in the US every 4 seconds – pictures that can be blown up good enough to allow them to read a newspaper lying on the ground. And good enough to read car license plates.

      I read an article several years ago where a detective in California who had a friend in the archives where these pictures are kept was able to identify and locate several murderers for a crime that was over ten years old. (The friend was in trouble for releasing the pictures to him since they were classified too.) It was pointed out that ALL crime committed outside could be viewed and convictions made within a few hours. Later I know that McVey, who blew up Oklahoma City, was identified by a photo the same way. But the government doesn’t really want you to know that they are, in fact, spending most of their time spying on us rather than outside enemies.

  • Jay

    I think Bob hit it right on the head. Sometimes the truth is stranger than fiction. I love this country and its people, but its government sux. I think Senator Rangel had it right when he talked about leaving them “hanging in the wind.”

  • http://N/A CB

    Some of the information should be released, and shouldn’t have been ever classified. Only info which could cause many deaths by it’s release should be singled out for any legal charges!

    • 45caliber

      You are correct. In fact, probably 90% of the “top secret” classified info could and probably should be open. It’s just that so many people want to believe that what they say is so important, so thrilling that they believe that everyone hangs on their words.

      But there is some critical info in that mess. And some of it anyway – according to the British – has already been released.

      And I thought it interesting that the British newmen concentrate on the items that can cause harm to not just our country and people but to the world, while the American newmen concentrate on the embarrassment of various politicians over what they have said about others. Those comments seldom even harm the politicians but the American newsmen love embarrassment rather than real problems. It generates more sales.

    • Kevin

      From what I understand we still have a third of the documents from World War 2 classified. Why?

  • Jane

    Some people may thoroughly enjoy sticking their heads in a toilet, but I don’t happen to be one of them. Also for my part, I tend to get really suspicious of the intentions of people, whoever they may be, whose personal histories support a tendency to strong bitterness against government or any other entity. I don’t have to be carried along in such a maelstrom.

  • astamm

    Congratulations you have something you agree with the left on! So much for ULTRA CONSERVATIVE! The only silver lining in these leaks is that George Bush was vindicated regarding WMDs and Yellowcake. Other than that, we have classified documents for a reason. Does it matter to you that names were published and were helping the terrorists and our enemies with lots of juicy information about our national security…but, I guess it is more important that you FEEL good about knowing everything, so you can have something else to complain about. Be careful what you wish for.

    • JRC

      LMAO, yellow cake does not equal WMD period. Whoever said so does not know anything about nuclear physics. Yellow cake is the first step to leech uranium out of ore and that is how its shipped from the mine. Everyone knew there was yellow cake in Iraq that was nothing new. yellow cake can be used for a million used include being the basic block for the manufacture of a million optical, laser and navigational instruments, refining into uranium for use in power plants (and that needs a large industrial style operation or being refined into weapon grade uranium , even bigger industrial style operation)….nope yellow cake is NOT an indication of WMDs…independent of how much the Bush apologists with that it would be.

      • 45caliber

        JRC: I’m really glad to see that a nuclear scientist is on this thread and can justify Iraq getting and using yellow cake. However, you seem to have missed one part – the part where Saddam stated that he wanted and intended to have nuclear weapons. But I assume you are just blowing that off as incidental.

        I’m glad I’m only an engineer rather than a scientist. Scientists insist that their theories are always right – regardless. We poor engineers prefer to get all the evidence together before we make decisions.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Just since you brought it up, regarding WMD’s, what happened to the list of WMD’s that was inventoried during the Clinton administration, by the UN inspectors when they went over to Iraq. I know for a fact I watched right on the national news all these pages of WMD’s this guy had. I always wondered, and still do, where they went, and why the national news and democrats still insist on saying Bush lied about them, when they themselves cried he had them and all said he had to be stopped. I just wonder what happened to this list, and where these inventoried WMD’s went. And if you think they were going to use this yellow cake for anything besides weapons, you need to wake up.


    Has anyone here even read the stuff from Wiki-Leaks? I personally have not read any of it so I only know what I have heard floating around out here with this article and the blogisphere. I would be curious to know if anyone has actually read the info? It seems to me that there are good arguments on both sides of the aisle. However,this current so-called crisis seems strangely conveniently timed as liberals go after trying to pass a law that would allow government the power to silence conservative talk radio by forcing radios stations to present liberal view points along with conservative view points. I think it is called “the fairness doctrine”? One of Obamas top advisors said “we should not allow a good crisis to go to waste”. Sorry I can’t remember who said it. The point is that it seems to me that a government bent on usurping power from the people has to create enough of a crisis that its people practically beg the government to step in and take control! Beware of exchanging your freedom for security or eventually we will have neither!

    • USNpops

      Appearsd that most of this is the same as the wonderful health care bill last year. A Ms Pelosi said, “We’ll read it after its passed”. And those who have to pay for health insirance after Jan 1 will need to read the part where it was supposed to lower Medical Insurance costs. Ask my Union Working son who is getting a 30% increase in insurance payments deducted from his pay starting January 1, 2011.
      And of Course that is blamed on the Greedy Insurance companies that suddenly have to insure another one of his kids to age 26. Multiply that by the number of kids between the ages of 18 and 26 in this country and you come up with a prescription for putting Health Insurance out of business.

      But wait – we have a benevolent government that is going to take over where the insurance companies have failed. Check the death rates from various medical problems in Canada, and other Government controled “Free” medical countries. Very Interesting.

      • 45caliber

        I agree about the death rates and the medical care in other countries. I regularly scan the news in a couple of London newspapers. They usually have an article almost every day of elderly being left to die without water, of failures of the medical system to treat patients with cancer or other major diseases, etc. It is indeed cheaper (to the government) to allow people to die. And now our government will get to do that too.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        You are correct. All these so called poor people that continue to vote for the democrats, are going to be shocked when they find out that they arent getting insurance for free, if they are working. Rather, they will be forced to carry it now. Only those who dont work will benefit. Isnt that a shame.

    • oldtimeyman

      The person who said to never let a good crisis go to waste was none other than Vice President Joe (Don’t call me Stalin) Biden.

  • Robbie Smith

    Don’t you feel that ‘secrets’ come more and more to light.
    It’s not important what was motivation, we have more and more facts that touch hearts of hundreds of million people.
    Don’t you feel that ‘crisis’ is so orchestrated to rape whole nations for interest of elitist gorup that has no connection with ethic, moral and common sense?
    How can system that created 14 trillions of recognized debts and several times more of ‘masked’ debts survive in world tired of all those awakening shocks?
    Both Americans and non-Americans know and understand that whole world was cheated for decades. By accident most of ties lead to US, Israel, less to UK and occassionally to other places.
    Establishment tries to hide that as much as possible, but now is too late. There is no big difference between 1iar Berlu$coni or 1iar Bu$h or liar $arkozi or 1iar Bernake or liars in Chinese Communist Party and hundreds of other equally skilled liars. Nations are raped, fundaments destroyed and orientation lost.
    Does humanity need war?
    Likely it’s only way to write down hole in account.
    Only truth can open eyes.
    Many argue about unimportant issues while humanity approached edge, real, non-religious, non-sektant, non-ideologicaly colored end of its existence.
    There is no more integrity and cohesion in modern world what will trigger centrifugal forces to self destruct such non sustainable mess.
    Elites know that, but hide from people, they prepare for that scenario and any price is OK, as it goes from taxpayer pockets.
    Unfortunatelly, point of no return is already behind us and now we can rant on Internet about democracy, leadership, market economy and other goodies lost in sheer materialization of human weaknesses.

  • http://Hotmail Eleonora

    There is one thing that really stands out for me, the “politicians” are now becoming so arrogant in their created safety that they no longer take great care what to say, when, where and how. And I can see why. Americans are desparately confused about their government. Stories about the Bilderberg Group are not new, most likely true, elite bankers at the top of the so called “Federal Reserve” are not federal at all, and have bankrupted this Country long time ago, then bailed themselves out who knows to eliminate the Middle Class, does America really know that it’s a privately owned group?

    I bet you that the same owners of the Fed are found at meetings of the Bilderberg group, not to forget the Secret Brotherhood, not so secret anymore either. When Kevin Trudeau left the Brotherhood he was treated similarly to what is happening to Julian Assange today.
    We the People are called “underlings” by these guys, who see themselves as straight decendents from the “Gods”. like the Faraohs.

    So who really governs America? Not Obama, not Bush, they merely hold the job made possible by who? The firm believe of the people who really run this country, and the world for that matter, the One World Order, is already so solidly in place that they now have become loose with their security themselves! Let’s not forget that in all this turmoil.

    And has Assange opened the door to our last threshold of Freedom of Speech, the Internet, it could well be if not intended, then used to cut that last Freedom down. And Americans will go on watching TV, playing Football, knowing they can’t change a thing about it. The best weapon the New World Order has, while the dollar will go into hyperspace, the Middle Class will disappear and many Americans (underlings) will die due to bad nutrician “cured” with free drugs.

    A Country gets the Government it deserves, Democrates and Republicans play into the game of this Order very nicely, topped by a religious view that forgot about “do onto others as you want others to do onto you”.

    Is America doomed? Will it become a Province in the One World Order, father Bush already mentioned the Order, can we stop this onslaught planned and in execution as we speak?
    I am very happy to see that I am not the only one that is concerned, that others see the same dangers and know that speaking out might have it’s consequense., Thank you for being there and what you do.


  • Schnitzlefritz

    Methinks Obama is behind the leaks,along with Soros.He is adamant about closing down Limbaugh and also Fox News for telling the truth.Now he has an excuse to control the internet,along with Fox and talk radio.Barack Hussein Obama is not an Irish name…nor Italian,nor Scottish.It is a Muslim name and we are at war with Muslims.We have elected a Muslim for president.How dumb is that,Mr Rogers?Sorry Livingston…I don’t see Assange as a hero.I see him as a drone for this administration….and now Bradley is the Poster boy for DADT.

  • Carol

    If this man is rapist he needs to be put into jail TODAY because those women will never ever be the same no matter if he goes to jail he is fine but they are not.

    This is why I created a petition for rape victims/survivors. I need everyone to help me with getting signatures.

    Here is my petition:

    Please help me out and sign it.

    Thank you.

    Carol H.

    • 45caliber

      If this man is a rapist, he should be more than put into a jail. He needs to be taken out and shot. On the other hand, I’ve seen some comments in the London papers about this. Both women voluntarily went to bed with him and then later claimed they had changed their minds and therefore this is rape. I cannot agree that rape covers a woman changing her mind weeks later. I shall be interested to find out what really did happen in this case.

      • Angel Wannabe

        45_I agree, almost sounds as if the women were more disappointed in his performance, or it was created and a trumped up charge to destroy him.

  • http://Huffingtonpost Plagiarized indignition

    At first I thought Jullian Assange was revealing material the government had some right’s to keep secret, this is not the case AT ALL!. what jullian is revealing is very important to do because this is how we set the feild when we cant prosecute ultra secret government pantoglots and linguistics engineer’s that have engineeded the school shootings, hundreds of other mass murders, Illegal narcotics trafficking, and medical hate groups slowly killing innocent united states citizens through the ultra secret psychic visual spy manipulations the ultra secret government of the United States is allowing murderous psychic manipulations to be broadcasted into society’s around the world. WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. I think so far julian has done a supurb job in just beginning to set the feild. and then suddenly rumsfeld comes out saying he allowed the very same government to declassify secret and intelligence that was engineered and used. thats the same as if someone murdered someone you loved and then making the murderer the judge and jury to his/her own trial! people have to remember rumsfeld, rudy julliani, richard cheny and both george bush’s are all tyranists in this gross injustice committing global mass murder and allowing psychic visual hate groups to abuse and murder innocent united states citizens. it’s way past time to get rid of the bush center for intelligence. cause george h. w. bush didn’t care when he allowed all the global terrorist linguistics engineer’s and segmentated linguistics engineering to go on to mass murder innocent people globally!!!!!!. If the united states does not abolish the bush center for intelligence and go strictly with clintonomics, the united states will face a demoralizing madness that will pave the way to war after war. END PRIVATE DEFENSE CONTRACTING AND ABOLISH THE BUSH CENTER FOR INTELLIGENCE.

    • Gene

      I think you should have your birth certificate revoked!

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Bush-Cheney-Halliburton. They are out to get you, and end all of our freedoms as we know it. They are coming to indoctrinate your children against you. Gimme a break, and get a life. Your fears consume you, to which satan laughs with delight. Dont let him get the best of you.

    • Bruce D.

      When is the last time you read the newspaper. Bush-Cheney have been gone for two years.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Im sure there are those who probably blame Bush for Wiki Leaks, you know, to make Obama look back. Yeah, Bush-Cheney-Halliburton put him up to it. Yeah, thats the ticket.


      Clintonomics? I suppose you adore Alan Greenspan,also. You talk just like him.

  • Ellet

    I do not think Assange exposed anything about the government that most Americans didn’t already believe. I have been saying for years that we are supposed to be a ‘Government of the people, by the people for the people”. What we have is a “Government of the representatives, by the representatives, for the representatives” and anything that comes out of congress that is good for the country and its citizens is an accident.
    What I do not like is anything that he released that harms any of our service troops should be handled as treason-es. As for our politicians, it is about time were took our government back. They have to much power, make to much money and cause to much financial waste. In short I think our government is being overthrown by our “government”.

    • Kevin

      Our government has become like the dog that can never catch its tail. We have a bureaucracy that only knows to solve the problem by creating more bureaucracy to solve the problem that more bureaucracy created in the first place. It never ends as government keeps getting bigger and bigger…

  • dufus

    Since when are you a hero for endangering the lives of others
    by your actions? It is good this maggot did not exist in WWII.
    We are at war and when you are at war you should be there to win.
    It is not a game when peoples lives are at stake. Hang ‘em both.
    There are secret documents and they are not for the public scrutiny.
    The do gooders worrying about the truth are here because we didn’t
    have the internet in WWII. Wake up dimwits, it is war! What part of
    that equation do you not understand.

  • xpatriot

    Welcome to The All Knowing And And All Powerful OZ Who Doesn’t Like To Have The Light Shed On It’s Tyranny, Treachery & Deceit. The True Axis Of Evil. “The USA, England & Israel” As Usual Are Taking Action Against The Truth!!!
    Julian Assange Is A Hero To The World Population And Should Be Treated As Such And Not As A Criminal For The Tree Criminals Run The Governments Of The World.

  • http://MSN Bob Steele

    There are two main issues to consider when a self imposed individual decides to leak secret government documents. First, Julian Assange may be considered a hero because some of the content might expose illicit or corrupt behavior. Second he must be considered a internet terrorist enemy of our Country for releasing information that potentially puts U.S. Military action strategy and our soldiers at greater risk failure or harm. If he had selectively released only certain information about corrupt behavior there might be a slight argument in his favor. Because he did not it strongly indicates his intent to only do harm to our Country. I say he should be treated like any other captured war terrorist.

  • http://WaronTruth Retired Veteran

    I strongly disagree with the tone and direction of this article. Mr. Assange does not care whether the information is of a sensitive nature, Secret or Top Secret he is going to publish it anyway. In this case it appears as an attempt to smear the United States diplomatic relationships. Yes, I know that this sounds like the government can do and say anything that they want in these releases, but the truth is that far worse has been said (& done) in private than anything ‘reported’ in these documents. Unfortunately this is the way that diplomatic affairs have taken place for as long as there have been governments. Yet nothing that is mentioned in these documents exposes any truly illegal or farm-selling secrets. Instead they provide only embarassment & complications for all parties involved.

    But going back to the first part of my comments, Assange would print anything he could get his hands on. The more sensitive and damaging, so much the better (from his point of view) because he believes that he can make more money with this tantalyzing bit of disclosure. However, when it comes to genuinely classified information, he can do more than embarass a nation. He can start wars, aid in the destruction of a nation or worse. Consequently, such types of reporting & publications must be closed or more severely controlled to ensure necessary security for both corporations and nations.

    Mr. Assange is no hero – he is instead a money grubbing bully that is intent on doing as much damage as he can to all that he comes in contact with.

    • 45caliber

      According to one of the London papers, he released the number and location of all nukes the US keeps in Europe to stop a Russian attack. That is what I would call military secrets and therefore he is a spy for the Russians.

    • Bruce D.

      That makes a lot of sense to me Retired Veteran. I think many are going off the deep end on this and making more out of it than is there.

  • Dave M

    The New York Times “leaked” the documents to the public before Wikileaks did. Should they not be charged with treason if it is actually treasonous?

  • Gladys Young

    All I did was log on and type in on google – ” Julian Assage – Wiki Leaks” because I was interested in learning more about the story (leaked documents of the truth) note that no one has called them “lies”.

    My gmail website was shut down and is still not operating. I think I got caught up in some kind of government security “sweep” . Thank goodness I still have aol to communicate with my family.

    Who was it said “the truth hurts”


  • Mark

    The only people who believe that Julian Assange is a hero, are those who have a disdain for America.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      I have to agree. Whether what he did is deserving of all these things being shut down or not, but he is no hero. All I see is an arrogant man who thought of himself above things, and found out he wasnt.


      Did you mean to say the current political structure? No one here has a disdain for America, in my opinion. America was hijacked almost 100 years ago as I detail in my book. Our archenemy is the Federal Reserve.

  • HWB

    Seems like the only thing that is coming out is politicians doing what they do best, Back Stabbing People! Haven’t heard of any earth shattering secrets as of yet. This is a goverment setup to get more power over the public. They try and make it look like its a big national security issue and so far it looks like politicians getting caught at talking out of both sides of their mouths!

  • Bob Hauser

    This reminds me quite a bit of the case of Tyler Kent, the code clerk for the U.S. Embassy in London who in 1939-1940 revealed the way that opium millionaire, FDR, and alcoholic slob and buffoon, Winston Churchill were willingly, knowingly and quite maliciously collaborating on how best to jockey and herd the American people into making war on Germany.

    What Assange did, whether as a drugged-out drone control of the CIA/Mossad or acting strictly on his own, will either way furnish the Obamanation regime with all the excuse they need to seize the internet…so we have to fight to keep it out of their dirty and blood soaked meat hooks.

    • Mark

      “alcoholic slob and buffoon, Winston Churchill”

      Really? You do realize that without Churchill, Hitler would have won the war, right?

      • USNpops

        I think this fellow may be of the idea that WWII was wrong, and should never have gotten off the ground. After all we allies slaughtered all those poor German and Japanese people.

        Wouldn’t surprise me to find him to be a graduate of Berkeley, where that is one of the premises taught in history classes.

  • Donald Dunnam

    Assange is no hero or villain. Everyone seems to be avoiding the truth. The villain is a radical homosexual in the military and those in command above him that made it possible for the information to be sent out to Assange.
    Assange is being used by the media in order not to touch the sacred cow of homosexuals in the military and the danger they represent.
    From Ann Coulter’s article on the subject.
    “The mole who allegedly gave WikiLeaks the mountains of secret documents is Pfc. Bradley Manning, Army intelligence analyst and angry gay. ”
    “According to Bradley’s online chats, he was in “an awkward place” both “emotionally and psychologically.” So in a snit, he betrayed his country by orchestrating the greatest leak of classified intelligence in U.S. history. ”

    Need I say more? Stop harping on the receiver of the information and track down the real culprits that helped Bradley Manning betray America.

    • USNpops

      When given a Clearance in the military, you are presumed to be honorable enough to live up to the sworn oath you take when given the clearance.

      This person stumbled over the information he leaked, and should, by the instructions for handling of classified material, not read it in the first place. Unless it was pertinent to the job at hand.

      While in the military, and having a high clearance, I as well was privy to information that was not pertinent to the job at hand, and after determining that fact, went on to other endeavors.

      This treasonous young man has no honor, and should be given the maximum punishment for violating his solemn oath. That in the old days would be death by firing squad. But he will be fortunate to have the liberals in our present system give him life in prison.

  • Ralph

    This is all very confusing, but I know one thing for sure. I don’t trust Obama and his bunch, he is young, inexperianced, and not to be trusted. He could be used by Soros or that group, there are many things that point to that. I think we need to look at knowing they want to destroy the trusted news like Fox, they have lots of money, watch out for a end run. As far as DADT it worked fine when we were in Korea, we all fought well together. If it isn’t broke, leave it alone.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Of course he is being used by Soros. He bought the democrats years ago, and now they owe him many favors, and its time for them to pay him back. Thats why we need to get the rest of them out of there real soon.

  • Sue

    Any person who puts other people’s lives at risk is no hero. Assange is a greedy, glory-seeking parasite.

    • 45caliber

      I agree.

  • Kat

    > Someone commits a crime.
    > A witness comes forward with evidence to prove that.
    > The criminal is arrested, brought to trial and sentenced to punishment.

    Isn’t that how it’s supposed to work?

    How is it that some people can justify the idea that the criminal (government) can cry foul, accusing the witness (Assange) of spying because they got caught, then expect us to excuse the crime and prosecute the witness?! Does this work in a court of law? Does this makes sense in any sort of moral environment?!
    Wake up, people! Our country/our freedom is being stolen from us by the worst criminals on the planet (government) and you want to just keep making it easier for them?

    • FireMall

      @ Kat:
      Very well said.
      However, in the halls of Dot gov , you are correct, they have the Power to go after the whistle blower to protect their guilt from scrutiny or prosecution.
      In “We the People’s” real world, “We” would be charged as accessories to treason for ‘Not” reporting the Traitor’s crimes of Treason..
      Proof in point of the Judicial Branch’s selective enforcement of the Laws of the Constitution., Obama , Pelosi, Reid, Soros, Saul Alinsky, & Hundreds ,if not thousands of others in Dot gov.
      I can’t name the 535 in congress but 99.9% of them are in this as deep as the “In “our” Faces” / So What? ,people in Power ! regarding their Treasonous crimes.

  • Jim C.

    I know a “setup” when I see it. Come on… TWO women suddenly came forward with rape complaints after the first US military documents were released?

    When I was in the service 30 years ago, anyone could get on our airbase, without a pass or military ID by simply telling the guard at the gate that he or she wanted to visit the base PX. You had to observe the speed limit and drive around the airfield slowly. During this time you could easily count the number of fighter jets on the runway or in the open hangers. YET we airmen were told that the number of jets on the field was a secret, which could not be revealed on pains of court martial. Worse, the command did things to compromise encrypted message traffic, but that was not an issue…

    A leak such as this SHOULD tell the military that they have to rethink WHAT should be declared secret, and how they should safeguard it. Instead, the reaction of these idiots it to demmand ever more secrecy and enforcement powers to the detriment of our freedoms.

    The fact that I see “conservatives” like Bill O’Reilly and others demand Assange’s head on a stick before a fair trial, tells me that they have no respect for the freedoms which the Founding Fathers fought and died for.

  • jopa

    I believe Mr, Asange is only the messenger in this particular scenario and he exposed a lot of bad charachters.Why does everyone(almost) want to prosecute the messenger and not the true criminals?Why does everyone want to be dumbed down and left in the dark?Hillary Clinton is on the record saying this is Democracy at work, and I agree that we have the right to free speech and journalism.If you cannot handle the truth block your ears and shut your eyes.

  • John

    I am all for Wikileaks and Julian Assange. He is exposing the web of lies the Government and its Media whores have been brainwashing Americans for too long.
    People, time to turn off American idol and open your eyes to all the evil in the world being done to other countries in the name of “Democracy”.The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are totally unessecary
    and only profit big defense contractors while our young solders are
    being wounded and killed for no good reason.
    We are supposed to have a Government run by the people and for
    the people, so why is okay for big brother to read our emails, pry
    into our private lives and feel us up and down at airports but it
    is not okay for people to not know about all the dirty tricks our
    “leaders” are doing in secret all the while telling us one thing
    while doing something completely different?

  • RichardS

    “President George W. Bush — a neocon who allowed a false-flag terrorist attack to occur on U.S. soil in order to spur passage of liberty-crushing legislation and stir up war passions”

    Really? You have to be brain damaged to believe this kind of tripe without evidence.

    • Bob Wire

      I’ve heard that before, while not a “W” lover, I find “W’s” involvement with instigating 9-11 absurd.

      It is true, that the FBI was closing in on the loose financing practices of Wall Street prior to 9-11, the results of a lengthy investigation and this investigation was put aside after 9-11. But “W” had nothing to do with it on any level.

      It’s more of a “grassy knoll” issue today and the truth to never be completely disclosed or proven. This places Osama in a league with Jimmy Hoffa, never to be heard from again.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Sorry to inform you pal, this was all caused by Clinton cutting our intelligence agencies in half, where we didnt catch these guys milling about the country, taking flying lessons without learning to land, and things like this, because Bill was more concerned with more important things to him, like cigars and interns. This is what caused 9-11, you know, along with no response what so ever to the first bombing of the Trade Centers basement, the bombing of the USS Cole, and the dragging of our dead through the streets of Somalia on live TV beating the bodies. And he did nothing. So they got bolder and went bigger, figureing we wouldnt do anything again. I guess they thought wrong. And then, why now do you think we have been safe for the last 10 years? Thats right, the guy you hate but in place the things that kept us safe, but they are being undone right now, even as we speak, by another sleeping administration.

  • Larry

    Another example of how the NWO deals with their lackies. He has outlived his usefulness and now it is time to destroy the man. This should be a very stark reminder on how the NWO treats all of its operatives, use them then lose them.

    • 45caliber

      You can’t crowd everyone into their shelters. Some have to go.

  • Karolyn

    Wikileaks maintains that they do censor information that might harm people or places. This taken from the Wikileaks website:

    “1.5 The people behind WikiLeaks
    WikiLeaks is a project of the Sunshine Press. It’s probably pretty clear by now that WikiLeaks is not a front for any intelligence agency or government despite a rumour to that effect. This rumour was started early in WikiLeaks’ existence, possibly by the intelligence agencies themselves. WikiLeaks is an independent global group of people with a long standing dedication to the idea of a free press and the improved transparency in society that comes from this. The group includes accredited journalists, software programmers, network engineers, mathematicians and others.

    To determine the truth of our statements on this, simply look at the evidence. By definition, intelligence agencies want to hoard information. By contrast, WikiLeaks has shown that it wants to do just the opposite. Our track record shows we go to great lengths to bring the truth to the world without fear or favour.

    The great American president Thomas Jefferson once observed that the price of freedom is eternal vigilance. We believe the journalistic media plays a key role in this vigilance.”

  • 45caliber

    If all he released was embarrassing comments by Congress and/or the President, I could care less. What I do care about are the military information he has released such as the location of all military nukes in Europe. That gives any enemy the knowledge of where to attack first to eliminate those as threats. He has released other such information as well. So don’t start arguing to protect him and his ability to release such info based on reported news of releasing embarrassing comments. Those only cause problems for one man or woman. The military info can cause problems for everyone in the world.

  • Andee

    What is so different regarding Assange letting out military secrets when the stupid one and the Wicked Witch of the West did the same thing shortly after he took office, not a thing was done and little said…I must be missing something somewhere…oh yeah, it is the fact that there is not a judge that will bring this fraudster to trial nor bring him to trial over sedition and treason that he has committed thus far………hmmmm

  • Born in America

    Have read many of your ideas and thoughts. Go back to why and how America was brought into being. A group of folks who fought to be free from oppression. A group of thinking men who conjured up the Bill of Rights and our Consitution. Pretty good start? You bet. There is an entity living and breathing that can’t stand for our great nation to thrive, to be self sufficient, to say and do, without reprocussions from a totalitarion government (big brother).

    This nation (all American folks) did well to provide inventions that no other nation had ever dreamed of (walking on the moon for one). We have had the opportunity to be great because we were given God’s natural instincts to invent, to improve, to help others in need. American’s are the most generous folks on earth, when it comes to helping other nations.

    Think about it…..Do we point fingers and blame or do we pull up our boot straps and get to work to restore and unite our great nation? Truly God’s blessing for what we do have.

    The Assange story is a way to get us off track of what the real problem is.

    • 45caliber

      You are correct. Recently a Japanese businessman stated that Americans were lazy and that was why he knew we were going to fail. He gave an example. He could order both a Japanese worker and an American worker to dig a ditch. The Japanese worker would take a shovel and get to work. The American might or might not but wouldn’t dig as fast or as hard if he did. This proved he was right.

      Actually, the American, if ordered to dig the ditch would start and then say, “There HAS to be an easier way to do this!” Then he’d go get a backhoe. Or invent one.

      • Born in America

        Exactly! Right on…

  • DaveH
    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      I like it a lot. Thanks for the info.

    • 45caliber

      The really bad part of this is that the Feds are offically not allowed by the Constitution to get involved in health care in the first place. How can they insist that they have the right to dictate to the people how they spend their money?

      • DaveH

        The Commerce Clause, 45. They will probably use it some day to excuse away gassing us all.
        The Commerce Clause was meant to prevent the States from tariffing, taxing, or otherwise inhibiting free trade with the other States. The Federal Government has stretched that power every which way, and it’s time we stop them at the ballot box, since the Supreme Court continually looks the other way.

  • Angel Wannabe

    Wikileaks is being used as a tool to show the American people, just how badly “Government needs to regulate the internet”!_Nothing More!
    Lets not fall for it!!!


    At last this bunch of clowns in the White House is going to actually be embarrassed into doing something about indicriminate security leaks and publication of information by undetered media such as the NYT, who seem to think that loose lips do not sink ships. Pvt manning is a homosexual with a mental problem and seems to think that his goal in life is to be another R. Ellsworth, leaker supreme with no regard for seccurity or safety of those mentioned in the information he wants to use to further his gay agenda and martyr himself for the gay world. This little basterd deserves to be tied to a post, blindfolded and shot by a firing squad for treason with malice and intent.

    Assange his co-conspirator, is a frigging commie, his supporters are commies and the likes of Putin cheering for him ought to say something since he was and probably still is KGB of the first order. Do you not believe it when the commies declare they want to sabotage the U.S. like we supposedly undermined them and their country the U.S.S.R.? If you cannot comprhend this then you need to re-evaluate your priciples and move out of the country. Here’s your clue, America has real enemies, they want us out of the way so they can continue their agenda of growing their world government and they do not care who or how it’s done. Assange deserves a day in court and fifty years in a cell, in solitary. He and Manning both need to be made primary examples of what treason will get you.

    • 45caliber

      Well, as far as I’m concerned, you could put the two of them in the same cell for that fifty years …

    • Mark

      “Pvt manning is a homosexual with a mental problem”

      IMO that is redundant.

    • FireMall

      @ ONTIME:
      You forgot one thing that is a Real & Present danger to America’s Military. Which also coincides with just about everything Obama & “His” One World gang have been doing thus far.
      Demoralizing / Weakening the U.S. military for the Enemy’s covert benefit.

  • oldtimeyman

    Government political secrets? There should be very few if any. Military secrets is another matter.

    Here is an example of document leakage that I personally witnessed. During Vietnam I had a secret crypto clearance and on one occasion I saw a classified photo of U.S. troops standing by a large pile of dead Chinese soldiers dressed as NVA troops. There was a large cache of Russian AK weapons in the photo. To my shock, the very next day after the photo came through our crypto room, the same photo was on the front page of the a San Francisco newspaper.

    So what was the secret all about? Our troops knew they were encountering Chinese troops. The Chinese certainly knew. About the only people who at the time didn’t know was the U.S. public.

    I am convinced our government is for the most part corrupt and the more of its so-called secrets are revealed the better for our liberty. I am also convinced that this particular leakage is designed to eventually stifle our freedom of political speech.

    I also feel, knowing what I know about military secrecy, that someone much higher than the rank of PFC was feeding documents to be deliberately leaked. Why? I don’t know. That’s a government secret. But I believe we will all know when we lose our freedom of speech.

    • 45caliber

      Probably 95% of all things listed top secret by the government are such that if the enemy got them there would be no affect at all. The real idea is to keep the US public from knowing what is going on. Vietnam was fought mainly to get the people’s attention off the economy and other things the government was “handling”. Once they had their problems finished or covered up, they pulled out the troops, abandoning our “allie” and getting a lot of us killed. (50+ thousand).

      Much of what is being released now fall into that category. Actually, by embarrassing the politicians, WikiLeaks is putting themselves in more danger than if they told every military secret we had. But they are also releasing those military secrets they have which is putting men in danger. That is wrong and should be stopped.

  • http://yahoo mountainman

    A Government Employee Witnessing Corruption Shares Information with Assange.I don’t know the whole story,but why or has the U.S. Government Pressing Hard to Convict an Outsider,instead of an Insider?
    I honestly Believe there is Truth in these Leaks that American Citizens need to Consider.It’s a Win for the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights that U.S. Citizens are Fighting hard to Keep and Protect against Socialist Agendas,etc…

    • 45caliber

      Actually, they already have the insider – and he’ll be lucky if he ever sees the outside of a jail the rest of his life. In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if he has a fatal accident. He embarrassed too many politicians.

      But they also want the outsider as well. They can’t have people in other countries who feel free to embarrass our politicians at will.

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  • http://none Phil

    Assange is a greedy punk. Needs to be tried for espionage.

  • http://GOGGLE vaksal

    After reading all the posts,which i honestly feel were all valid,i myself feel if service personel were put in danger,hang him,if government officals(THE REAL BOSSES)hang them.sick of all the needless lying dogs causing the down fall of this great republic.this is a first class cluster F%*K!

  • Rennie

    Assange is not the one who should be on trial, the liars we put our trust in, and our lives and that of our soldiers in their hands, have not been living up to their oath of office, it is time for all nations thus embarrassed by their leaders to review their policies, their political parties, and question whether we want to be slaves, or we want ouyr elected officials to work for us, to fear us, not them enslave us, not for us to live in fear of them. The DNC had better present a fresh slate of candidates for 2012 or accept defeat now.

    • FireMall

      @ Rennie:
      It’s really good to see another “Thinker” look deeper into a subject than the MSM’s little propaganda tid bit’s which are meant only for the Unknowing Dumbed down indoctrinated masses ears.
      Next problem—What in God’s Great name do “WE the Thinking” folks do about this Global problem of Non-Leader’s and their Self-Serving ,lying azzed BS ways , short of Full implementation “We The People’s” Rights within the 2nd amendment ??
      “Quote” Thomas Jefferson– “The Second Amendment is in place in case the Politicians forget the Other Amendments” . Imo, The time is Nigh, to Sink or swim or Lock & Load.

  • gary

    Yeah, after scanning all the posts, its no wonder I don’t trust my neighbors, local government, the PO, the feds, or any major Corp. But then also think wikiLeaks and his info suppliers to be traitors and having an agenda against the US- which is MY country. Therefore he is an enemy. But we’re so divided politically, religiously, ethically, and morally, its hard to imagine we will survive?

    • Karolyn

      Gary, It is sad that there is so much dissention in the US. However, it probably is the same in all countries, even the downtrodden and repressed. It’s what makes us human. It would be a very boring world if everybody agreed.

  • fence dwelling

    APAIC and Mossad, don’t miss the boat or the point

  • FireMall

    Rant & rave about the Wikileak’s dude all “WE” want & guess what ?/
    The Results are what n”WE” should be very concerned about.
    These leaks occurred for one reason only regardless of “Who” actually leaked the info.
    I’ll give Dot Gov about 18 more months to have total control of “We The People’s” information highway.
    Then “we” will definitely , know how these events of today were part of the Coming “Plan” to control the masses.
    Talk of the Reasons ,excuses, theories, / my op, their op , your op, etc till hell freezes over and the End Results will be Hell anyway.
    Wake up folks, & Place your bets on the unknown while the “end” of America results are posted plain as day.

  • American Citizen

    As to Americans being lazy, I blame that on the unions, too. Wasn’t it featherbedding (a union idea) that did the railroads in? I know for a fact that in some places, workers are told not to work too hard or fast. And people wonder why companies are leaving this country. We just learned Cummins Engine is leaving for Turkey. More Americans out of work. It involves 800 jobs.

    • FireMall

      This doesn’t surprise me one little bit. Of course, most of the blame for One more American corp cutting out from the Nation that made them what they are Is 100% California , Unions & the Like minded in Dot Gov Doing their Greenie Tax / EPA control gigs of Tax, spend , to, control the masses crap.
      Just one more American corp that has kept the Freight, Transport, Energy entities, Shipping industries, and on & on , going for the last 55+ years now succumbing to the One World Global elitist’s agenda.
      However, Considering Europe is well on the way to multi-nation , Anti-Gov Unions rebellion & Civil wars , I have to wonder if Cummins and all other X-American corps , that are now operating over seas will survive Europe’s downfall any better than they survived America’s Industrial Downfall the last 15 years. Ref: Nafta & GATT .I.E.–{ New World Order, One World Governance programs / Treaties / Agenda }

      • FireMall

        I forgot one more little Tid-Bit supporting what I & many Americans have been hearing Out Loud for the last 20 month’s.
        “Redistribution” of the Global Wealth.
        I have been reading & Hearing the Un-Reported Facts of this since the mid 70′s.
        One also needs to acknowledge that “Both” , Repugs-less-nuts & the Demons have been in power during this “Change” the entire time.

    • Viktor Leben

      You know what to do about them leaving ? Just find some investors (sell stock, get venture capitalist) and start another engine company. Then rehire the people who lost their jobs.

      That’s the $American$$ way !

      • FireMall

        What your referring to is what the America Way “Used” to be.
        Today’s socialist Admin will “Not” in any way allow a new Pollution causing Corp to go into manufacturing in the American way, ,ever again.
        There will also be “no” more grandfathered corps taking over the vacated factories.
        As I said before about Redistribution. The Only way it will ever work Globally is the individual Nation’s wages will have to be lowered to the Lower levels of what we now refer to as “Third Worlds” Nation’s wage standards.
        All the American Socialist / “Obama” lovers , who are waiting for the “False Prophet’s” Utopia of the Socialist agenda to come boost their Standard of living are in for one hell of an Awakening.
        Sad but True, by the time All are aware, it will be too late for All Americans. As Planned.

        • Viktor Leben

          Don’t give up FireMall ! Fight Back ! JOIN THE UNDERGROUND ECONOMY !

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Yes sir. I worked at one factory that had 5 unions in it. Myself and my work partner used to get called in the office, and told by our lead man that we were doing to much work and making the other guys look bad, and that we needed to knock it off or he was going to bring in the union steward on us. Now keep in mind here, that we worked a 7 am to 3 pm job, took a half hour break at 9 a.m., a half hour break at 11 am., a half hour lunch at noon, a twenty minute break at 1:30, then clocked out at 3:00 p.m. By one o’clock every day, my work partner and I were on the roof drinking beer, as we worked at a brewery. How hard could have we been possible working to make someone look bad? Give me a break. These guys cost the company thousands of dollars, constantly and around the clock, and it was tolerated because of the unions, who would spend endless amounts of money and fight them in court and the company did not want to go there. Yes you are correct in your statements about the unions. I also worked two other union jobs, and it was the same thing. I have buddies who since these places closed, got in at GM, and they tell me that they cannot believe the waste there, and the amount of guys that stand around and do nothing all day, and collect a premium wage. This is your unions in action, holding companies hostage. I know for a fact, I was in them for 13 stinking years. Ive been out for about 15 years now, and its much better on this side. Much, much better.

  • Anthony

    QUOTE(s): … {and some responses}

    The leaks show the result of a secretive, unaccountable and over-powerful government; a perfidious empire that seeks to rule the world by guile, cunning or force, if necessary. And the response by the United States government and by authorities in some of the U.S.’s puppet states — like Great Britain, which arrested Assange, and Sweden, which brought spurious charges of rape against him — demonstrate the length the ruling elites will go to suppress the truth.

    HAVE TO DISAGREE, here! The U.S. does NOT puppeteer Great Britain, OR the Bank of England. IN FACT, sir …it’s quite the opposite. Maybe you should go back and re-read your historical on who runs the Moneyed Interests on this Planet. TO BE BLUNT – it is Britain that has taken fully visible (and public, IMHO) control of our own Federal Reserve, as opposed to running the show in secret. This is evidenced by the BP Oil disaster, amongst others. Congress got their marching orders in 2008, and Obama/Soetoro has assured those marching orders WILL NOT change. In fact, I defy any Leftist/Socialist Obama voting poster here, to SHOW US ALL those parts of what Bush did, that Ol’ Barry has reversed.

    The truth is WikiLeaks has exposed the evil of all-powerful government. It has exposed those in power for what they are: Agents of an entity that seeks to wield its might and influence to gain more might, influence and power.


    IF anyone’s truely paying attention TO THE FACTS (Dragnet), you would have read, already, an Article published in Europe, but suppressed here in America (doh) where ALL of the LAST FOUR Presidents are being designated for “crimes against humanity” – and they are ready to provide proof. In fact, it was SPAIN that had been blocking those charges (against America, with proof, people). Spain has stepped out of the way now, and these charges could come within the next year. One wonders if the Money Masters aren’t now rushing their NWO gambit on an escalated timetable to circumvent that legal claim. We shall see – 2011 is a prime year as far as the Numerologists are concerned, so several events may be timed to occur as FALSE FLAG events.

    The U.S. Justice Department recently shut down a number of Websites it claimed were illegally peddling copyrighted music, videos and other products. It did so in a broad sweep, taking down sites that linked to music and videos and sites that just mentioned other sites, a move that demonstrates the U.S. government no longer cares for the rule of law.

    THE COUNT, as of a few days ago, was over 100 websites that were being blocked, or shutdown. In fact, the website Owners now have the right to claim they were MALICIOUSLY HACKED, and it would hold up in court. The issue on this front isn’t nearly as seemly as the FEDS want everyone to believe. The real deal, here, is about the greed-mongering going on inside Corporate America – and since the days of John D Rockefeller, competition is VERBOTEN. If you really think true competition is what you get in America, you ARE one lost soul. Since the creation of THE FED, competition has been washed away in favor of the Corporate America effort to rob everyone equally. Whether it’s Burger King vs McDonalds, or Verizon vs AT&T, there is never any real & true competition, except at your neighborhood Garage Sale or Lemonade Stand.

    The Federal government is also working to give itself the authority to shut down portions of the Internet, just like the government of Communist China does whenever it decides there is a threat to national security. Who decides whether there is a threat? The same fascists who were featured in the embarrassing WikiLeaks revelations.

    As far as this item is concerned, I do believe that Obama has already given himself the ability to shut down the Wild Web at any time, for a duration of 120 days and there’s not one thing any of us can do about it. He gave himself this power by virtue of Executive Order. This happened almost right after he took office, if I remember correctly. The only difference between the E.O., and now, is they are probably working on a more in-depth LAW which gives even more power to the Elite-ists who need us on our knees, begging.

    The outrage should rightfully be directed at the policies the documents reveal, the people behind those policies and the efforts of governments around the world to shut down and control the free flow of information over the Internet.

    This couldn’t be more true. Incredibly well said ! ! !

    • Raggs

      CLAP! CLAP ! CLAP!

      You wear a red arm band as well…

  • Viktor Leben

    Y’know, this Assange fellow. How do we know his information is relevant ? I mean he could be working for the “power elite” and just being a distraction.

    The gods are crazy !

    • Raggs

      Vik… your excused..

      A splash of kool-aid in the morning and then back to bed!

      • Viktor Leben

        Thanks !

    • Mark

      Good point. If the all-powerful-evil-American-empire actually is what the paranoid (pot smoking) left claim it to be, then:

      A. Assange would have had an accident and been removed long ago.
      B. Assange is just another false flag puppet diversion.

  • http://aol William

    If he is such a hero, why does he only go after the US and not say China, Russia or some other country that would like to have their secrets divulged. If he was interested in helping the world he should start hacking other countries, so they can show him their gratitude.

    • Agent Orange

      Because he’s an anti-American(offensive word removed) like Soros! Or maybe it’s because he’s getting paid by the Paki intelligence service or the Saudi oil sheikhs (or maybe even al-Qaida)!

      • fence dwelling

        Agent Orange,

        Soros is not Anti-anything. He is your typically revered capitalist investor. He made 1Billion in just one day, betting that the UK would pull out of the ERM.

        Soros cares about nothing except pocketing winnings from speculation. He is a trader, just like all the other vultures at wall st rigged inc.

        Soros doesn’t hate USA, he jus loves the money that him, and all others can cream from day trades.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          He owns the democrat party, and they owe him huge favors for all the money he has given them so that they will do the things he wants to do. And you are mistaken if you think he is not anti-American. He is one of the biggest anti-Americans out there.

  • Agent Orange

    Bob Livingston, you stinking bastard, from now on I will boycott EVERYTHING that you offer. You are DELIBERATELY trying to UNDERMINE our nation’s will to fight our Islamic enemies by falsely claiming that 9/11 was a so-called “false-flag attack” (and, by the very same action, you are DEFENDING bin Laden, the WORST MASS MURDERER since Pol Pot); you are PURPOSELY trying to disrupt our nation’s economy and compromise our NATIONAL SECURITY by calling for airline passengers to resist security screenings; and now you are supporting the TRAITOR Assange who disclosed the CLASSIFIED footage of a legitimate military operation against an ENEMY nation, with the EXPRESS INTENTION to undermine our nation’s will to fight?! You are as much a TRAITOR as Assange, and I hope and pray that they hang you alongside him!!! Shame on you for all eternity!!!

    • Claire


      • Angel Wannabe

        Claire_-at’s what I say!

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Holy crap batman. So since you got out of the straight jacket, no one is allowed to have an opinion different than yours eh? Wow dude, you really need to temper the hate, at least just a little. I mean, you keep carrying that anger, it’ll eat you up inside man.

    • Bob Livingston

      Dear Agent Orange,

      If you came looking for the information of the Government apparatchik, you came to the wrong place. It’s certainly your prerogative to buy the official propaganda. I chose not to. For some, the truth is difficult to bear. Since you hold the view that our government or agents within it would never cause or commit some egregious act to achieve some end–even if that view is to deny what we know of history–I can understand why you would view Assange as a traitor. You would have been right at home in the early U.S. when, under President John Adams, the Alien and Sedition Acts were passed, resulting in the arrest of newspaper editors critical of Adams’ policies—including Benjamin Franklin’s grandson. So, I leave you with the words of James Madison, in his Report on the Virginia Resolutions, opposing those acts.

      “Some degree of abuse is inseparable from the proper use of every thing, and in no instance is this more true than in that of the press. It has accordingly been decided by the practice of the States, that it is better to leave a few of its noxious branches to their luxuriant growth, than, by pruning them away, to injure the vigour of those yielding the proper fruits. And can the wisdom of this policy be doubted by any who reflect that to the press alone, chequered as it is with abuses, the world is indebted for all the triumphs which have been gained by reason and humanity over error and oppression; who reflect that to the same beneficent source the United States owe much of the lights which conducted them to the ranks of a free and independent nation, and which have improved their political system into a shape so auspicious to their happiness? Had “Sedition Acts,” forbidding every publication that might bring the constituted agents into contempt or disrepute, or that might excite the hatred of the people against the authors of unjust or pernicious measures, been uniformly enforced against the press, might not the United States have been languishing at this day under the infirmities of a sickly Confederation? Might they not, possibly, be miserable colonies, groaning under a foreign yoke?

      I wish you all the best,

      P.S. I hope that you were just venting and remain a reader. Whether you “boycot” my offers or not, reading dissenting opinion is always helpful because it either 1) helps you to reinforce your beliefs with a stronger argument or 2) sways you to the other side if it is a more reasoned, cogent position.

    • Vicki

      Some guy claiming to be a chemical writes:
      “Bob Livingston, you stinking bastard, from now on I will boycott EVERYTHING that you offer. You are DELIBERATELY trying to UNDERMINE our nation’s will to fight our Islamic enemies by falsely claiming that 9/11 was a so-called “false-flag attack” (and, by the very same action, you are DEFENDING bin Laden, the WORST MASS MURDERER since Pol Pot);….”

      Dude. Chill. You start with an ad hominum attack, then have the obviously false claim that ~3500 is greater/larger/worse than ~1,700,000.

      Not a good way to win debates and influence people

  • forrest stidham

    i wish that that i had the time available to sing the praises that this man mr assange deserves , for bringing the public out of the dark ages about the dangers that these secretive cabals have instore for making we the people of this planet sheer slaves to them.

    these greedy plotters that think we the common people are the low life on the planet ,certainly have it all wrong, the cabalist have knived, cheated, lied, thieved their way in life to control vast wealth that they have stolen from the public. would you believe that is exactly what the fed reseve was invented to do, secretly at the jekyl island meeting in 1913. it was the big bankers decision to initiate and promote the federal reserve system to steal the wealth of the american people and now of the world.

    so now a man that deserves the highest praise for his exposing the
    lowest life form on the earth, is being persued because he is telling the truth about their cabalist heineous activities .

    mr assange is in my oppinion A HERO!!!


    • Agent Orange

      Hey Forrest — go take your defense fund and (offensive words removed) TRAITOR!

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        I assure you sir, God’s last name is not Damn.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      And for you forrest. If you want to contribute funds to a millionaire who goes around releasing government secrets and makes millions being nothing more than a gossip, you go ahead and have it. But dont ask me to fund this idiot. He has done this of his own accord. He knew where the line was, and his pride and arrogance made him step over it, knowingly and willingly, and now his arrogant arse is going to pay for it. I myself wont back someone like that. You reap what you sow, and pride comes before the fall. Perfect example of that watching what has happened to this guy.

      • Claire

        Beberoni–I agree with you on this!

  • G. Lewis

    The truth will always make us free!

    • Agent Orange

      Tell that to the 20 American soldiers who were murdered by the Islamics over the Baghdad airstrike footage, you jackass!

  • Robert Paiva

    I have never been one to salute the Russians for Comunisum: but there are three things I would like to Salute the Russians for! 1. For Their Contribution of being a beautiful people to this human race. 2. For tearing down the Berlin Wall (Iron Curtain. 3. And just reciently the Russian Prime Minister, Valdimer Putin, stated that Julian Assange should recieve the Nobel Peace Prize for taking these kinds of risks. I’m a Dissabled American Veteran and I Love My Country the United States of America with all my heart. But I’m in total agreement with the Former KGB Agent of the USSR. Julian Assange Should Recieve the Nobel Peace Prize; For This Act Of Bravery in the Face of ALL Opposition! I Salute You Mr. Putin, and Thanks For A Great Idea?

    • Agent Orange

      If Assange had published the KGB files instead, you betcha he’d have been shot by firing squad without trial by now!

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        He would have been shot just for compiling it, before he released it.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Your wrong. Putin says that as his way of trying to stick it to the US. Shame on you for supporting that.

  • JMichael

    this is just so amazing. the diatribe and the support of and against mr. assange. funny though, S. Korea just got attacked, innocent people died. what’s happening with that. alot of rhetoric going nowhere. mr. livingston, once more “gets it going”, and everyone winds up attacking each other. obamy promised “hope and change”, but gave us more of the same. this has been going on for a while( nixon ,reagan, etc.), but most people just keep voting for the same people. little has changed since the last vote. and time marches on. our “forefathers” warned about false wars, yet america has had it’s share. we will be our own doom. our gov’t could even catch bernie madoff, until he confessed and now one of his sons has killed himself. can’t find osama and can’t stop some crazy nutjob in korea. and the band plays on.

    • Agent Orange

      How dare you put Reagan in the same sentence as Nixon and Obamy — Reagan has done more than ANY other President in the past 100 YEARS (with the POSSIBLE exception of Kennedy) to make this country a better place, while Nixon and Obamy only messed the country up!

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      People keep voting for the same people? Excuse me. I just witnessed over 60 people getting voted out of office in November. And I know many more are coming in 2012. The same people? I dont think so.

      • Vicki

        60+ deserving people got fired as well they should. They can not represent us when they do not even TRY to read the bills they vote on. True as that may be the leaders and movers seem to still be there. Reid, Frank, Boxer, ….

        I will consider being convinced when Pelosi, Boxer et all are voted out. Till then it looks like the new boss, same as the old boss….

  • Doug Berry

    Your Support for Assange is unacceptable. Look at the people that work in the military and international State department and CIA. They are doing a service for there country. They are in danger because of Wikileaks You lost my readership.

    • Agent Orange

      Mine too!

  • Al Duhan New Milford, Ct. 06776

    No I find that time will tell the Wikileaks were very important to become public. The American are tired of being kept in the dark while this new world order is becoming a formalization. And why are we giving our adversaries a trillion dollars a year for oil and we can’t drill here. N And now the gulf is off limits, WHY????. The Wikileaks are exploring these questions and now we find that the Saudi and Kuwait are funneling millions of dollars to the terrorist. We don’t hear that the world is becoming over populated and the people that are not contributing to the funding of the rich will be eradicated. Look at the truth of Global Warming a ploy to elevate the gas, heating oil and all energy so only the rich will afford it. The rest will be forced to starve or freeze to death. Please don’t be so naive and look around you. It is inevitable that something must happen. We can not continue on this road much longer. It may help to watch Jesse Ventura, A Navy Seal and Governor . Friday eve True T V.

    • Mark

      “It may help to watch Jesse Ventura”

      Yes, if you want to see how habitual pot smoking leads to paranoid delusions.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Sorry, I dont agree with your assessment at all, but of course Im just going on facts. I havent smoked for 15 years, as I quite often take drug tests because my company does it, plus I have a CDL license that puts me in a federal “lottery” testing plan. But before this, I smoked the good stuff, Im talking Columbian Red Bud, Meshmican, Thai Stick, Panama Red, Acapulco Gold, Sensimilla, Kona Bud, and I did it every day for 24 years. Some of the guys I grew up with still smoke it every day. They have good jobs. They have families. They have morals, and they are not paranoid about anything. In fact, I find us to be as well balanced people as anyone Ive ever met. And I assure you also, I am not on the left. I am a right wing Christian conservative. But your assertation that pot smoking makes one paranoid, well sir, its misguided, because its wrong. But then again, I only know from factual experience. Usually, that should matter.

        • Mark

          I am going by a larger sample size than your family and friends.

        • Mark
          • Vicki

            Mark conveniently leaves out small details like DOSAGE. From his own link
            “New ground-breaking research shows long-term, heavy cannabis use causes significant brain abnormalities resulting in psychotic symptoms and memory loss equivalent to that of patients with a mild traumatic brain injury. ”

            From my link:
            “In the first sentence of their research paper, a group of Italian scientists explained that low doses of tetrahydrocannabinol — the psychoactive chemical in marijuana — tend to be calming while large amounts have the opposite effect. ”

            So as you can see the source of the paranoia does not lie in how big the sample size but how big the dosage.

            As with all drugs there are side effects. Proper science attempts to categorize all of these and then inform the users of the risks and rewards. In a nanny state such as the current USA, government bureaucrats attempt to assert control over the use of herbs and drugs in direct violation of the law of the land. (US Constitution. See Amendment 9 and see also the SHORT list of powers granted to government).

  • Reggie

    I have mix feelings about this Assange dude. To be honest with you, he is a scum bag true and blue & one question I have to ask??? How did this private get this info anyway & was he acting alone??? When does a PVT get the clearance to such items?? I admit (as a former Marine) when I was an Lance Corporal (E-3 to evertyone else) I had a Top Secret Clearance, but I knew my place and love my country also. And I had someone to answer to when these document didn’t show up in it’s appointed plce. This all too fishy to me. Maybe that old spookydude had something to do with it (I believe so) but regardless, this pvt wasn’t acting alone. But getting back to Assh+**@, opps, I mean Assange, he is just a greedy usefull idiot that soon as his purpose was done, he was sold out by the ones who so called admired him. I bet he will not drop the soup where he is at??

    • Vicki

      Reggie writes:
      “To be honest with you, he is a scum bag true and blue….”

      Do you know him personally? Or are you just forming an opinion based on the demonetization in the MSM and ASM? Or do you have another source?

  • Pat Mason

    I don’t know where some of you are getting the silly idea that Assange is a ‘Plant’ by the government(!?) to “take over the internet.” If that were the case then the information supposedly leaked would have benefited the ‘Government’ and painted it in an oh-so lovely light. The information that WAS exposed showed the utter CRIMINALITY, CORRUPTION, and MURDEROUS NATURE engaged in by the U.S. Government and its willing lap-poodles. There is not doubt that the Government WANTS the internet stifled, but it also doesn’t want an ANGRY MOB on its hands, either. The storied ‘Cat’ is definitely OUT OF THE BAG, and the exposure of the Government’s ill-gotten, sleazy (but rightful) reputation could not be more evident. Also, if Assange was doing this solely as some kind of a megalomaniacal PR stunt he couldn’t have picked a WORSE country to do it with. Right now, because of the grossly unconstitutional ‘Patriot Act,’ prisoners in the U.S. accused of the type of “crimes” Assange is being targeted with are ROUTINELY DENIED ‘Habeas Corpus’ restrictions which have – and do – culminate in the most outrageous treatment of prisoners confined by the U.S. Government. And only a knuckle-dragging, Bill O’Reilly NEOCON would dare spout the completely homophobic and UNPROVEN theory that Bradley Manning leaked the information as a sole, homosexual revenge motive.

    • Vicki

      Pat Mason writes:
      “I don’t know where some of you are getting the silly idea that Assange is a ‘Plant’ by the government(!?) to “take over the internet.” ”

      I bet Eric “never let a good crisis go to waste” holder doesn’t care if Assange is a plant or not.

  • Pat Mason

    Reggie, just HOW is Assange a ‘True, Blue Scumbag’? You are aware that people with the most credible and upstanding reputations (such as Judge Andrew Napolitano and Daniel Ellsberg)have LAUDED HIM AS A HERO!? And WHY are you FOCUSED on the ‘HOW DID HE GET THE INFO’ rather than what you – AND EVERYONE ELSE – SHOULD be focused on…,and that is WHAT IS CONTAINED in those cables and how they SHED AN IMPORTANT LIGHT ON THE CORRUPTION AND CRIMINALITY the U.S. GOVERNMENT and its “ALLIES” have been (ARE) engaged in!!!???

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      If he indeed did release military weapon sites, and potential targets that our enemies now know, then yes, he is a true blue scumbag. You dont do that. If he had done something like this during WW1 or WW2, they would have put him to death for it. As it is, from what we know so far for a fact, is he is an arrogant son of a gun that let his pride get him in trouble. We will see where it goes from here.

  • Pat Mason

    Doug Berry wrote, “Your Support for Assange is unacceptable. Look at the people that work in the military and international State department and CIA. They are doing a service for there country. They are in danger because of Wikileaks You lost my readership.”

    This is the kind of mindless hubris I have come to expect from the Bill Kristol-brand of (what loosely passes for) “conservatism” these days. Let us look at the MEAT of those cables, the smarmy POSTURING, the INSIDE DEALS, the LYING, the FRAUD, the MASSIVE CORRUPTION AND CRIMINALITY, the UNCONSTITUTIONALITY, the MURDER. In the fevered mind of Dough Berry, we should LAUD these “military and international State department, and CIA” for a JOB WELL DONE…,a so called “service to there country.” Yes, Doug, I agree their SMARMY, SHAMEFUL actions (“service”) is MOST DEFINITELY “IN DANGER,” and THANK GOD FOR THAT!

  • Pat Mason

    Beberoni, that’s just it. He HAS NOT done any such thing. Study the facts before you make a statement AS FACT. Only 960 cables (out of the over 250,000) have been released, and these cables were given to the New York Times, The Guardian, Der Spiegal, Le Monde, and El Pais for redact prior to Wikileaks releasing them. Therefore, if Wikileaks is culpable for anything, SO ARE THE papers I just mentioned. NONE of the cables had any information of a super-secret or even mildly secret-sensitive nature, and none of put anyone at risk.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Pat – please note, I said “IF”. Ok? I didnt say he did, I said IF. There is a big difference. But he still is an arrogant son of a gun, and that is what got him in hot water, and there is no denying that. But I said If, if you would re-read my post. Thank you.

  • Pat Mason

    Also, Beberoni, you are asserting that what Assange did was ‘Espionage.’ It is NOT! Assange is a JOURNALIST and is disseminating information no differently than what the New York Times or Washington Post does.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Again Pat, I said if he did this. And I never said the word espionage anywhere in my post, now did I?

  • I.L. Brown

    If this was WW2, both the airman and Assage would be standing before a firing squad. The so called truths reported are far outweighed by the damage. AS history has proved, the only successful war is one ending in victory. Once a lethal weapon is used against another, we have forgotten humanity. I and my three sons are veterans and there are times that the only rule bercomes survival. As an example of what this leak could cause: During WW2 a congressman made a supposadly innocent remark. The Japanese can”t sink our subs because they are operating deeper than the depth cahrges are set. Within a week, we started losing subs at a critical rate with the loss of thouisands. Such is the real world of thoughtless release of information.

    • Denniso

      But this isn’t WW 2…we can’t have non ending ‘wars’ and then say that the country has to act like we are at war forever. WW 2 lasted 4 yrs for us. It was an all out battle against specific countries. If that were the case now wouldn’t we be conducting the ‘wars’ a little more seriously,like a draft,and maybe even paying for the ‘wars’ w/ tax increases rather than ballooning the debt?

      Assange is not a journalist,he is only a conduit releasing material given to him. Most of the material is just embarrassing,it appears, and probably even the more serious stuff won’t cause any real problems. I think it’s mostly a mountain out of a molehill and will be forgotten soon. The real problem is the soldier who was able to access all the info on his own. There are secrets that need to stay secret and the military is also to blame here for the lax security.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Just in case your interested Denniso, all these, what is it, almost 70 years later, we are still in Germany and still in France. You did know that didnt you?

        • libertytrain

          Ah last time I was in Germany a few years ago, I was with soldiers that were thanked by the young teen shop worker, for being there and protecting them. I was amazed at this young gal’s thinking – and impressed that she realized what the USA had done for them.

          • Denniso

            We’re not in Germany and france,and England as well, as part of a 70 yr war. We are there because of our strategic interests around the entire world and were there after WW 2 because of the fear that Russia,our ally during the war, would move into Europe. Obviously our presence there was to deter communism and was the beginning of the cold war…no shots fired. We are also still there after the threat from Russia faded because of the economic benefit to them. We also have thousands of soldiers in Japan for the same reason,but it clearly is not a ‘war’.

          • libertytrain

            you’re right it is not about a war at the moment. But it is in the minds of many people about a sense of protection and a reminder of what our soldiers did for them. Of course, I got that part from a lovely German couple – invited into their beautiful home – near the old East German border and among things discussed were their neighbors, family, parent’s thoughts of what they experienced over their lifetimes and why they felt the way they did about the US and why they didn’t want the US Army out of their country. I enjoy talking with actual people in these countries. From them one learns far more than CNN, etc. They live there – so their thoughts spoken to me make so much more sense than someone here telling me what their country thinks.

      • Vicki

        Denniso writes:
        “There are secrets that need to stay secret….”

        Tyrants love that kind of thinking.

        • Denniso

          I mean short term secrets about sensitive negotiations,whereabouts of nuke weapons,military strategy in wartime,tactics in finding and dealing w/ terrorists…

  • MikeS

    Assange is in fact an anarchist, he wants to destroy an order to rule by anarchy and as a leading anarchist he will become the ruler.

    It is better to have a not so perfect order, than no order at all, because in orderly society there is inherent ability for orderly change for better or worse, but in the anarchy, there is no rule at all and therefore no hope for improvement.

    If somebody not sure, that his actions are illegal by any civilized society, think about yourself and how would you like, if somebody would take all your private records from lets say your lawyer and your doctor and publish them without your permission for all to see.

    Governments and countries have the same inherent right for privacy of their vital information. Stealing them for any reason is illegal and should be punished by the international law no matter what is the intent of the stealing.

    If somebody does not like the policy, fight with it by legal means, if you don’t have legal means, establish them by changing the government.

    Voltaire said, that people deserve their government, so to improve the society, start with improving yourself.


    • Denniso

      I agree that total anarchy is not good for any society. But gov’ts are made up of citizens and supposed to represent the people…sometimes they don’t,as during the interminable Vietnam war,when the public, who pays for the war in money and blood,was lied to over yrs about the war by the military and the gov’t. The release of the ‘Pentagon papers’ was a more shocking and controversial event that helped us see the lies,horror and futility of the war…after 55,000 dead Americans and a million or more Vietnamese.
      When the gov’t lies repeatedly and for too long a time covers up the information, someone will break through the secrecy curtain.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Finally denniso, you and I can agree on something. I give credit where credit is due. Fine post.

        • Denniso

          That’s big of you…

    • Vicki

      MikeS writes:
      “Governments and countries have the same inherent right for privacy of their vital information. Stealing them for any reason is illegal and should be punished by the international law no matter what is the intent of the stealing.”

      Government has NO RIGHTS. Government has only the powers delegated to it by the people. Government has no right to privacy. In rechecking yet again the Constitution of the United States which specifically lists all the powers given to it I find no evidence of a power to hide what the government does from the governments employer.

      I do find a general PROHIBITION to the government having secrets. This prohibition is in the First Amendment (Clever these founding fathers :) ) If you don’t see it do not feel bad. You are probably a product of public (mis)education like I was. This is a curable problem. I know cause I’ve been there. I should get my tee shirt.

      MikeS: “If somebody does not like the policy, fight with it by legal means, if you don’t have legal means, establish them by changing the government.”

      Legal means already there. See First Amendment. See also the Freedom of Information Act. Observe how much is hidden in spite of the clear intent of that act.

      And of course if the government ignores the legal means already there how else to petition the government? Don’t think the government is ignoring the legal means of petition (Also in the First Amendment)? Just observe all the cases recently being thrown out of court because the judge decides the plaintiff doesn’t have “standing”.

  • JCO

    Wow. I am in awe. All this info, is more than my mind can comprehend. Maybe we could try to some it up a bit, and say, all this is to devide and conquer a confused people. This was all set up to help the government to infringe on our freedom. We can not play into the hands of our enemy, government, and banks. We dare not get too rowdy, for fear of marshal law, and dictatorship, which is where this is going. I am ignorant, and scared, for our children. I need answers. What can we do to protect our family, our way of life? The bad guys are winning. This is not about democrats or republican. They have the same agenda. This is about loosing our guise of freedom. We have not been free in america in a long time. GOD BLESS YOU ALL.

  • BrotherPatriot

    Without reading any comments…at all…my thoughts on this…

    It’s a real mix of factors in this equation. Do we celebrate the release of classified documents that could put some of our soldiers in an increased threat level or do we celebrate the courage of those that bring information that our corrupt government is holding in secret & trying to cover up. Truely…it’s a fine line.

    I have to say…that I agree with JFK. That the dangers inherent in hiding information in secrecy far out weighs the reasons to do so.

    Good article, Mr. Livingston. I have to agree with you. I don’t condone treasonous behavior however, I don’t condone what the bankers have been allowed to get away with for so long…and the people that over the years they have been placing into positions of power in our government have been doing to us, either. Sooo…though I’m not overally happy about WikiLeaks…in the end…only through the dissemination of information and a knowledgeable public can we hope to curb the damage that these “elites” have been doing to us for sooo long.

    Thank you, Mr. Livingston & Staff for your continued work.

    I love America & still believe in her. However, we as a people must stand by God and our Constitution or all will be lost. We need to remove all the goons in our government who advocate the Agenda for the NWO and replace them with proven Constitutionalists and believers in what is right & proper.

    God Bless.

  • http://personallibertydigest gregory

    I find this thing about Wikileak to be no more than a cover up and it’s frightening to think what’s behind this corruption. We don’t have to look too far for enemies but ourselves. Based on God’s word, liars and cheats have their part reserved. You can find the hand writing of God in the pages of Romans Ch 1: 18-21.It states, the wrath of God is being revealed from Heaven against all the Godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness.You can read the rest.

    Also in Ecclesiastes Ch 1:2-4 it states Meaningless, meaningless says the teacher. Utterly meaningless. Everything is meaningless. VERSE 4 states, Generations come and Generations go, but the earth remains forever. knowing what we already know about the end of all mankind, you would think our leaders and those in trusted with such powers would exercise their office, with fear before a Holy God, but satan has blinded their eyes like the great King, Nebuchadnezzar. You can read what was told to this King in Daniel Ch 4: 18- 27, Read.

    In closing, There can be only one resolution to this evil madness and that is Jesus Christ, the sinless one. Rom 3:10-18 [All of us are guilty in some way as God said.

    Thanks for taking the time to read

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Those who do their little evil deeds in dark places, where they think no one can see them, will be revealed, and they will be dealt with in time. As it says in Isaiah 29:15, Woe to those who go to great depths to hide their plans from the Lord, who do their work in the darkness and think, “Who see’s us?” and “Who will know?”. God knows, and He see’s it all, so no one is getting away with anything, they just think they are. Many will have a rude awakening one day, or sometimes its gradual as they watch their world crumble in front of them and they wonder why. It all comes back to us. Good is returned for good, and evil is returned for evil. Its up to us what we want returned to us, and what we do dictates exactly that.

  • Ed

    WikiLeaks hasn’t done any more harm to anyone than Barack HUSSEIN Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Barny Frank or others in congress or the senate. Or Even George Soro. The United States of America Needs to be Reformed!

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Ok, this just came in. Ive learned that Michael Moore has contributed to Mr. Assange’s defense fund. Now that I know this, I see the guy as guilty as sin, and hope he never see’s the light of day. If people like Michael Moore are backing him, the guy has to be in the wrong. That is all there is to it. He is guilty.

    • Vicki

      So all I have to do to get you to turn on someone is to get someone you DONT like to support something the someone is doing? Your way to easy to manipulate. But your tyrant thanks you and approves.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        If its Michael Moore, or any other anti American that has shown their true colors, absolutely, positively, with no regrets. No doubt about it. And it isnt that I dont like him, its that Im an American, and when someone like him stands up because they have the money to do it, and makes anti American statements and propaganda just plain lying movies to support their agenda, then I stand opposed to them. If you dont stand for something, youll fall for anything.

        • Denniso

          Who decides what is or isn’t an ‘anti American’ statement? You? McCarthy? Limbaugh? I think in this country we are supposed to be ‘free’ to say what we want,short of a few exceptions. Being anti American is subjective and in the eye of the beholder, and is allowed anyway. Do we want laws that say we can’t criticize the country or politicians like many less free countries have? It’s a slippery slope to embark down,this charge of ‘anti Americanism’…

  • http://google mike b.

    This whimp, pervert is a THUG just like Moore and Hussein Obama!!!! We should as a nation hang him for treason, just like Abe Lincoln and other past presidents with guts would have done. He is endangering the lives of our military, and should be stopped now. He is a sick pervert just like Clinton, Hussein Obama and all the liberal commies in Hollywood.


    The Horrible truth is that this Assange character will proabably never make it to trial, he will end up like another Oswald, killed while being transfered to a different jail! It will most likely take place while being televised as well so everyone can see! If he is for real they will never let him speak openly in a court this will only further the embarassment of the guilty parties! And just for the record: Abe Lincoln was killed because he tried to create a currency that came from the US Treasury known as “GREENBACKS”. Kennedy was killed for the very same reason he wanted our currency to come from some place other than the privatized Federal Reserve which has interest attached to it starting the day it is printed! Funny how history keeps repeating itself and the criminals keep coming up with the same solutions! The only other possibility is that this was all a staged act to limit the freedoms that we currently enjoy on the internet! They will use the old worn out verbage: “The one bad apple ruined it for everyone”. Mike B. – When a society looks at revealing truth to be a treasonist act that society is in big trouble! You need to all find out who is the financier of Wikileaks do some research before you snap to judgement. Read what was exposed in the leaks and for God’s sake quit listening to the owned propaganda media (the sultans of spin) they will ony tell you what is on their scripts! Because yes, they are all privately owned!

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      I thought that at first, but now I think it will go the other way. They will do the politically correct thing, and listen to the voice of the minority that are protesting in his behalf, and set him free. And soon, he will use his agency to release something that will be harmful and make bad things happen to the United States, and these same people that wanted him set free, will blame the government for it. I hope Im wrong, but that seems to be their way of doing things anymore. Guilt and innocense dont matter, or does right and wrong. What matters is those in charge going with whatever the crybabies at that time want. The voice of the few is more than not catered to, while the voice of many is ignored. I have seen these over and over for quite awhile now. Its the politically correct thing to do, to ignore the facts, and appease the few.

  • Stan Smith

    Assange is no hero!he claimed to be a journalist he is not a journalist, he is just seeking attention try to make a name for himself! If he was a journalist he need to have good judgment and ethics of being a responsible journalist, he need to not posting military secrets where missile base or who is helping (snitches) The US war on terror! or other info that will harm our troops ect.. He just should post crooked politicians and other scandles or other news,that the US no news media refuse to report AKA Libtard media!

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  • ’53 Korean Vet

    It’s the ‘Old Problem’–of the “Lady, or The Tiger”-! Who’s telling
    the “Real Truth” that America wants to know-! Do we look at another
    “Water-Gate”, or Forgive the Dude for knowing too much-! Corruption has “many Bed-fellows”-! Which is worse-! To be cheated out of our
    Taxpayers’ Billions,…or to have Media expose “Paper-Secrets” which
    exposed the “Abusers of Corruption-!” Perhaps, we need some Courts of Real Justice, that use the whole Constitution, including Traitors, Aiding & Conspiring with Consorts to cheat this nation by an unlawful Treaty-! Maybe, when in Rome–we could get “Those Tigers Back-!” We
    may need them-! (Our Jails are Full–who’s got another option-!?)

  • Pat Mason

    I’m still incredulous at reading all of the negative dirt some posters continue to throw at Assange. He’s a “sex pervert,” he’s an “anarchist,” etc., NEITHER of which has been proven. What is this…,a blog from ‘The View?’ What CAN be proven is his own words which have focused on bringing down verifiably BAD government…,and what true Libertarian (or conservative) would NOT want that? Stop focusing on trashing this guy and his supposed ‘motives’ and start focusing on the MEAT of the issue, which is the CRIME, CORRUPTION, MALFEASANCE, UNCONSTITUTIONALITY, and MURDER CONTAINED IN THOSE CABLES!!! That is the ONLY issue anyone should be concerned about. Julian Assange’s personal life or agendas cannot harm us. What is contained in those cables CAN, WILL, AND ARE HURTING US.

  • jopa

    The question was asked” How does a pvt. get access and top security clearance to this info”. This is just the beginning with over eighty thousand govt. workers in Washington with top security clearance in agencies that never existed before 911 will soon be coming to an internet site near you.Everyone wants to be a hero so I believe Assange just opened the flood gates.This may be the best thing that ever happened in America.This may keep the government a little more responsible and honest now that we can watch them.Thank God for America and Al Gore for the internet.Just kidding on the Gore part.

  • jopa

    PS; According to the Pentagon no soldier has been harmed or put in danger due to Wiikii-leaks so there are a lot of people grumbling about something they know absolutely nothing about.

    • Vicki

      Would that be the Pentagon of the same government that told us the missile launch off the California coast on Nov 8 was a contrail from a jet?

      And we are supposed to believe them why?

      • Karolyn

        Vicki – If it was a freakin’ missile, where did it go?

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Not yet.

  • Karolyn

    I just saw a piece on Assange last night. Some of his “cohorts” have left him and are starting their own site. This is because he more or less told them that Wikileaks is nothing without him; and if they don’t like it, they could leave. They said that his arrogance is getting worse and worse with all the publicity. Just as I said, he’s just an arrogant, self-centered creep.

    • Vicki

      Karolyn writes:
      “He’s just an arrogant, self-centered creep.”

      None of which is a criminal offense. And even arrogant people are capable of supporting and defending the Constitution.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      I agree, and his arrogance is what has gotten him into trouble. And I think they will let him walk, and he will step it up because of his pride and arrogance, and then really get himself into trouble.

  • Pat Mason

    And furthermore, for all you Assange-trashers, some of the finest men are LAUDING him as a ‘Hero’…,likes RON PAUL, JUDGE ANDREW NAPOLITANO, DANIEL ELLSBERG, ROBERT FISK, as well as a HOST of prominent writers and journalists. So, you’re not only in SLIM COMPANY by sinking to that level, but you are mirroring the NEOCONS and their smarmy behavior!

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Actually, truth be told, your in the minority if you smell him as a hero. Im not quite sure where I stand on his legal/illegal status, but I do know enough about him that he is an arrogant arse, and usually those types, if you give them enough rope, they hang themselves. I would imagine he will walk this time, because I dont see where he has broken the laws, and they cant hold him. But I firmly believe he will. His pride wont let him stop for some reason. You watch and see, and we both will find out. But I myself dont find him a hero, and I dont yet find him to be a leper, just an arrogant arse. Give him time to grow, and we will both see what happens.

  • Pat Mason

    Well, continue to live in LA-LA land, Beberoni. The VAST MAJORITY of people responding to the Assange story is OVERWHELMINGLY supportive, and I’m proud to stand in the company of GIANTS who support him (some of just a few I have already mentioned). So, if you want to run with the NEOCON DOGS then be my guest. You might want to change sites, too, because this site is inhabited by Libertarians and other true FREEDOM-LOVING, CONSTITUTIONAL-LOVING people who are SICK of watching government encroach on our Liberty.

  • Miriam Feldstein Case

    To Maya:
    The media has not made American’s hate Muslims. Radical Muslims, who kill innocent people, kindle the hate. Also, Isaac is not spelled the way you spelled it. I will not comment on the rest of your spelling errors.

  • Bluebonnet

    Anytime there is George Soros’ money involved or even remotely connected, you must know the plot has deeper roots. Why is Soros’ money involved? Michael Moore is just a sleezy side show, as usual. It seems highly unlikely one lonely soldier would have access to such a broad range of classified information. It is also important to note that unauthorized possession of classified documents, stolen or otherwise, is a crime. The Obama Justice Department seems totally incompetent. They had ample notice to be prepared for this. To stand in ignorance today must be seriously addressed. Regardless, the question remains why and who really is behind all of this. Could it be a move to control the Internet as Obama has indicated he wants? It does appear Assange is not acting alone. That’s my 2 cents for what it’s worth.

  • jopa

    Bluebonnet;Your statement ” To stand in ignorance today must be seriously addressed.”Why would you want all this censorship and remain ignorant?If you want to be ignorant and mis-informed watch FOX news.As for me I am for freedom of speech,religion,the press, gun ownership, and the list goes on.For us to be able to watch what our government is doing behind the scene is precious.Remember they supposedly work for us.

  • Bluebonnet

    Reading comprehension is a wonderful thing. Sometimes you have to read something more than once, but stay with it! As far as FOX News goes, it is the only television news media I watch. The rest of the MSM are left leaning propagandists opinionated with a Marxist and hate filled agenda, unhealthy for clear thinking people.

  • jopa

    The University of Maryland just conducted a study and found FOX news viewers were the most miss-informed of all media.I would suggest more newspapers left and right and use your own mind.Fox news is like totally whacko at times and there are actually people that suck up that crap they are being fed.

    • Denniso

      I’m not at all surprised by the study. Rupert Murdoch has made it clear that he’s on a right wing mission w/ his news media. Why doesn’t the rightwing accept what he says and does? A person could be well informed if they are loyal Fox viewers,if they also watched,read and listened to other sources. Most of them don’t do that though.

  • Grey

    People amaze me, believing anything they read. Like this ignorant test on FOX viewers, did anyone bother to research the people who brought this study to them? Surprise surprise alternet dot com, which is heavily funded by none other then the infamous Nazi collaborator George Soros! So who are the dummies?
    And does anyone care that assange is supported by the Rothchild’s???
    Assange is nothing but a shill for the powers that be and is being caught in a series of lies as we speak! Comparing assange to Jesus is one of the funniest joke in this thread!
    Assange Soros and Rothchild! Heroes?????????Even funnier!

  • Grey

    Is Bob Livingston so ultra conservative he wound up smack dab in the middle of ultra left field?

  • Dansmith1954

    Can’t wait for Julian to expose his “ACE” card.
    Obama is NOT a “natural born Citizen”
    (he was adopted, that’s why his records are sealed)

    That’s when he will become a true hero……..

  • jopa

    Grey: There was no test on Fox viewers as you claim so it is apparent you didn’t look up any facts.What had been done by the University of Maryland was to scrutinize all the news media and find out who actually was closest to actually reporting facts and not mis-leading viewers.Fox news just happened to be the worst offender.


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