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A Sampling Of Obamacare Ruling Fallout

June 29, 2012 by  

A Sampling Of Obamacare Ruling Fallout
Anti-Obamacare protesters demonstrate in front of the Supreme Court.

Americans have been hearing about the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act for years. Now that the Supreme Court has ruled, declaring President Barack Obama’s healthcare law Constitutional, expect to hear much more in coming months.

Thursday morning, almost immediately after the Court handed down its decision, the Internet was abuzz on all fronts with news and commentary about what it means in a political context now and how it will change American healthcare in years to come.

Here is a sampling of some of the Web chatter surrounding the Supreme Court’s ruling:

Several news and commentary sites immediately pointed out that the Court’s precedent describing the individual mandate provision of the healthcare bill as a tax contradicted what the Obama Administration has claimed in the past.
 

 
Representative Darrel Issa (R-Calif.) joined in in pondering how the individual mandate turned into a tax, “In selling Obamacare, Congressional Democrats and President Obama assured the American people that it was not a tax. Today, the Supreme Court ruled it was, in fact, a tax. This tax was imposed on the American people amidst an extended recession and is one of the many reasons our economy remains stagnant under President Obama’s leadership.”

Not only has the Court ruled the individual mandate a tax, but it is being called one of the largest tax hikes in American history on the middle class.

Also, statements from American lawmakers, politicians and scholars decrying the decision were released en masse on Thursday.

Representative Justin Amash’s (R-Mich.) office released the following:

The Supreme Court missed an historic opportunity to rein in the federal government. For decades, Congress has stretched the Constitution to authorize whatever new mandate it invents. Instead of acting as an impartial referee, the Court has been complicit in allowing Congress and the President to expand their power at the expense of state governments and the people.

The Court’s decision green lights the continued expansion of the size and scope of the federal government. It also underscores the need to have congressmen who resist the impulse to aggrandize power in Washington. Now more than ever, Congress must commit itself to following the Constitution and limiting the federal government. We can begin to fulfill that commitment by repealing the President’s health care law in its entirety.

Senator Rand Paul (R-Ky.) warned through his office:

Just because a couple people on the Supreme Court declare something to be “constitutional” does not make it so. The whole thing remains unconstitutional. While the court may have erroneously come to the conclusion that the law is allowable, it certainly does nothing to make this mandate or government takeover of our health care right.

Obamacare is wrong for Americans. It will destroy our health care system. This now means we fight every hour, every day until November to elect a new President and a new Senate to repeal Obamacare.

Republican Presidential Candidate Ron Paul said:

Today we should remember that virtually everything government does is a “mandate.”  The issue is not whether Congress can compel commerce by forcing you to buy insurance, or simply compel you to pay a tax if you don’t. The issue is that this compulsion implies the use of government force against those who refuse. The fundamental hallmark of a free society should be the rejection of force. In a free society, therefore, individuals could opt out of “Obamacare” without paying a government tribute.

Republican Presidential candidate Mitt Romney also offered his opinion:

Let’s make clear that we understand what the court did and did not do. What the court did do today is say that Obamacare does not violate the Constitution. What they did not do is to say that Obamacare is good law or that it is good policy. Obamacare was bad policy yesterday. It’s bad policy today. Obamacare was a bad law yesterday. It is bad law today.

Georgetown University Law Professor Randy Barnett chided the Supreme Court in a brief statement:

Today’s decision validates our claim that a Congressional power to compel that all Americans engage in commerce was a constitutional bridge too far. By rewriting the law to make it a “tax,” the Court has now thrown ObamaCare into the political process where the People will decide whether this so-called “tax” will stand. And the People will also decide whether future Supreme Court nominees will pledge to enforce the Constitution’s restrictions on the power of Congress.

Those who support the healthcare initiative joined the President in describing the decision as “a victory for people all over the country.”

Sam Rolley

Staff writer Sam Rolley began a career in journalism working for a small town newspaper while seeking a B.A. in English. After learning about many of the biases present in most modern newsrooms, Rolley became determined to find a position in journalism that would allow him to combat the unsavory image that the news industry has gained. He is dedicated to seeking the truth and exposing the lies disseminated by the mainstream media at the behest of their corporate masters, special interest groups and information gatekeepers.

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  • Ron

    Big victory for Obama! Big loss for thr idiot Right!

    • Joe S

      Ron- I’m a successful small businessman through hard work and determination. I’ve clearly found that the conservative bashing lefties fall into 1 of a few categories;
      1) Lawyers (they make their money off bad govt)
      2) Wall Streeters (they make ridiculous money off a govt fixed system)
      3) The ultra rich (Bad government keeps them in power)
      4) Large corporate management (more govt means less small business competition)
      5) government lackey
      6) complete f’up.

      By your statement, I’d guess you are number 6. if not, which is it?

      • Ron

        Some one that knows you are a liar and a thief and who would deny medical help to his fellow man.

      • Karolyn

        You left out 7. “fellow human being and American who works and pays taxes just like the right.”

      • Randy131

        Boy did you ever get Ron figured out correctly! Idiots like him think people should be forced to provide for their fellow man, instead of allowing GOD’s gift of a free will to choose to so or not, so GOD can judge them for their actions. Ron thinks by forcing others to provide, he’ll be thought of as a compassionate person, but a true compassionate person uses his own actions to prove it, not the forcement of others, for he does not want to provide freely of what he has, but wants what the government takes from him to be used to accomodate his need for sympathy as a compassionate person, but what is not given freely of ones own possesions, and not of anothers through compulsion of that person, has no reward in the eyes of GOD.

      • FreedomFighter

        Ron is nothing but a socilist toady…

        America offically died yesterday, killed by commies and socialists.

        When the 52% that are not on entitlements get tired of pulling the cart the system will crash, exactly what the socialist commies want, then they can rebuild usa into the utopia they dream of. Only thing it does not work, never has and never will

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • Gordon

        Athiests care little about what God has to say or the way the universe operates. Dictating to them is wasted effort.

      • Gordon

        Freedom Fighter= It’s “Bye Bye Miss American Pie”. Innocense is gone. This nation accelerated down the slippery slope back in ’58-63, in the music change ushered in by the Beatles and the drug culture, and the socialistic slide beginning with the JFK assassination, and the radical-violent change of social upheavel of the era. Today’s complete social value bombartment in every venue is seeking to further subtely divided us into a class warfare situation, that will come to the bursting point as things accelerate geometerically throughout these trying times. 2012 is the end of life as we have known it. Be prepared.

      • Old Henry

        Randy131:

        Yep, ole Ron is one of the parasites living on the teat of the producers. I would guess he is proabaly third or fourth generation parasite.

        You are correct, the poor used to be taken care of by the churches and charitible organizations via DONATIONS to their cause.

        Like all good gangsters the liberals saw the money to be made by stealing from the producers and giving it to the parasites. So, they simply moved in and took over.

        Joe has Ron pegged! That’s one reason he is a successful small businessman.

      • Old Henry

        FreedomFighter:

        Socialist Commies? You are repeating yourself! LOL!

        Democrat, Liberal, Socialist, Progressive. Just several ways to spell communist.

        I always knew we had 4 communists on the SC, but now it is readily apparent there are 5 – the last being a W appointee. Are we suprised?

      • Deerinwater

        Joe S says:
        June 29, 2012 at 7:54 am
        Ron- I’m a successful small businessman through hard work and determination. I’ve clearly found that the conservative bashing lefties fall into 1 of a few categories;”

        Well Joe, without knowing what you have worked hard and been successful at, you really have not told us much. ~ You might be a funeral director or a pawn broker or a bail bondsman that thrives off of the exploits and failure of others. A Buzzard has to eat too but I don’t know how many we need, just enough to keep the landscape clear of the dead and rotting, I suppose.

        I’m a small business man as well, I operate a small mechanical contracting business, success is debatable I suppose, ~ it’s had it’s rewards and been a hard fight for 41 years.

        Middle class Americans no longer have the discretionary spending resources they once enjoyed 20 or 30 years ago. If your customer base is not rooted in middle class Americans needs, wants and aspirations, you could easily be clueless to the struggle most Americans fight today.

        Hard time could be view as the families yearly ski trip to Aspen being called off or MOM not getting her a new Lexus this year.

        I can’t spend a few trillion dollars I could not really afford 10 years ago and be better off for it today and I wouldn’t expect anyone else to. That is what American has done under the guise of a conservative flag, promoting personal freedom and democracy while a select few feathered their nest and lined their pockets like Mitt Romney.

    • Peter Timber

      socialism is simply communism for people without the testosterone to man the barricades!

      • Old Henry

        Peter:

        That’s great! I love it! You have a great tee shirt right there.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      No Ron,you will be the one who will lose out in the long run. Governments never ever deliver on the promises to do anyone a good turn. But then by your comment you don’t care about this country.

    • cayuga 333

      Wait Ron, until you are rationed medical care because of your stupidity. It is coming!

      • Rasta

        Whether know it or not everyone is rationed health care already. They will not spend unlimted dollars to save your Republican butt! Everyone’s insurance carries a Max.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Rasta, you are still free to pay out of pocket for your own medical care.

        • Renée

          Nadzieja, The thing you don’t understand is we already are paying out of pocket and if you DON’T pay, you get fined and depending on how much you make it could be up to several thousand dollars.

    • fern rivers

      Ron…has to be a union thug…so…he is entitled to our money….as he is EXEMPT from the law….must be nice to use other people’s money hey Ron…Why in the world would these Free Loaders complain about a law that doesn’t touch them…the same with Congress…All Union Thugs…All Government employees…The Muslims…The Muslims’ friends like Obama and Holder….and the rest of the black people who refuses to work and….lets not forget the millions of illegals that Obama just made part of the “new citizens”….So…only approximately 1/3 of the population will be paying for the Botox Faces of Hillary, the Obama’s Maiden and Nancy, “the Insider Trading” Fraud…No wonder they are happy…What I don’t understand is why would the Black Decent Folks would vote for a Black/White President who has just thrown all the White and Black people under the bus in order for him to get the “illegals” special preferences…for his own illegal voting reelection…I believe that this is the time for all those democRATS’ Slaves to get out from under their spells…That includes all decent blacks and whites alike….

      • http://yahoo Pat Uderman/HISchild

        SO MUCH FOR NO NAME CALLING/NO RACISM/SOUNDED LIKE A GOOD RULE! BY THE WAY MY HUSBAND AND HIS FATHER WERE UNION WORKERS/WORKED VERY HARD/WERE REALLY TIRED WHEN THEY CAME HOME FROM WORK/ THATS WHEN THERE WAS WORK/THERE MANY LEAN WEEKS/MONTHS/SOOO SORRY I STILL LOOK FOR THE UNION LABEL!!!****I APPLAUD THE WOMEN WHO NOW ARE UNION WORKERS ALSO! I FOUND IT MORE OFFENSIVE WHEN “RACE CAME INTO THE CONVERSATION!!!” SHAME ON YOU!!! from KINGSKID!!!!

    • slapjack

      Libtardation is a mental illness and you really need Obozocare. You pond scum sucking liberals make me sick. Early in our countries history you were called Torres and Patriots run your butts outta this country. I think it’s time we did it again.

      • Daveh234

        Slapjack, (Offensive comment removed)

    • Tequila Party USA by Johnny Ripps

      The big loss Ron is for you, me, and all Americans. This massive new tax burden will be the straw that breaks the camels back. While it is true the middle working class will bear most this burden, it will affect everyone. When you raise taxes, everything eventually goes up to fray the new cost. The long term of Obamacare will lead to a steady decline in the quality of healthcare provided, and an early death for thousands of seniors who will be denied certain treatments by panels deciding their fate. This is the harsh reality of this bill. Our best bet is to repeal this law and come up with a better and more affodable solution after or economy is back on track…..after all, no body is being denied or turned away at hospitals yet(and never have been).

      • Farleyagain

        The reason this law was passed was that hospital systems are weighed down by providing free health services to the illegals and indigents that come in. It was another bail out for the big guys. Congratulations to one and all: now YOU will pay for them.

    • Renée

      Hey Ron, do mind if I ask you a question? First before I do I want to make a comment that the few dollars I do make taxes are already taken out of it, which pays for welfare, free healthcare to all those on welfare and illegal aliens and those that have nothing, then I make regular FREE WILL donations to several different charities. Okay, here is my question, if you were going to school to become a doctor and you worked your backside off to get all A’s and you were the only one doing that, would it be fair for everyone in your class that didn’t do their homework, that didn’t pay attention in class to get that same A you worked so hard for? You ask your teacher why? What do you think they will tell you, because EVERYONE, no matter what they do or don’t do deserves an A and you are forced to share your hard work with the rest of the class. SO, would you be willing to share your A of your own free will to all the rest of the class that didn’t do anything to deserve it? GIve a man a fish and you feed him for a day, teach a man to fish and you feed him for a life time.

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

      No Ron, this is not, a victory for obama, rather, a deadly weapon in his hands. A victory for obama would have been generating the millions of jobs that are necessary for our country to get back on its feet. With everyone working, there have would be no need for obamacare, as everyone would be able to pay for their own private-insurance, and that, under their own terms. But, obama was unwilling; not because he is incompetent, but because he is a lying-skunk, a communist, anti-capitalist, and anti-American! To be fair, he’s not the only one. He has surrounded himself with a bevy of anti-American enemies, and his administration is entirely packed with them; and you credit him with a victory? You hideous slime!

      • Eric Jones

        Firsley obama probabley cant even spell communism let alone emplament its polacies secondley if he was anti-american he wouldnt have run third and finaley as far as im concerned anti-capitilist is just anouther word for patriot.

  • kategray

    Roberts has sold us into SLAVERY to BIG GOVERNMENT.

    • http://BobLivingston Ken Masat

      This will work against Obama as we now begin to ramp up our efforts to throw out all the bums who voted for this foolishness. Ken

      • Old Henry

        Ken:

        Never forget, it’s not who votes, it’s who counts the votes.

        In order to shed our country of this communist law we will need to keep all the senate seats we have and win 13 more. Not likely.

        As we have seen, without 60 votes in the Senate we will not be able to repeal the law.

      • GregS

        Henry, 60 votes are not really needed to repeal it. All it would take would be 51 votes to repeal it. They could do it through “reconciliation,” just like the Democrats did to get it passed:

        http://www.thehopeforamerica.com/play.php?id=11916

    • Randy131

      Georgetown University Law Professor Randy Barnett’s comment says it all, and proves the fallacy of this impropper and unlawful ruling. His comment of “By rewriting the law to make it a tax” says it all, and shows the illegality of what the US Supreme Court did in this ruling. Chief Justice Roberts apparently forgot that he, nor the US Supreme Court, is part of Congress and the legislative process, and has no power to, nor right to, write or rewrite any legislation, for that is reserved for the representatives of the people, elected to do so by serving in the ‘Legislative Branch of Government’, the US Congress, and not the unelected members of the ‘Judcial Branch of Government’, the US Supreme Court, whose members are appointed, and assigned to determine whether a law meets the standards of the US Constitution, and not to write or rewrite Laws. When considering this Law, Congress proclaimed, and Obama gave a speech to the American people, that the ‘Mandate’ was not a ‘TAX’, but a penalty, and for that reason was passed by Congress, and signed into Law by Obama, which was written into the Law the precise wording that it is a penalty, and nowhere in the Law does it even mention it to be a ‘TAX’, yet Chief Justice Roberts and the other 4 liberal members of the US Supreme Court, changed the Law and now says the ‘Mandate’ is a ‘TAX’ instead of a penalty, which does not describe it as such anywhere in the Law. So now one wonders if the Law has to be formally rewritten to agree with what the US Supreme Court now says it is, and if so, does it have to go through the Congrssional process again with the people’s elected representatives, and then be signed again by Obama, so all that who were involved in the Law now know and agree that the ‘Mandate’ is now a ‘TAX’, and not a penalty?

      • ED

        Roberts was probably blackmailed by his Harvard professor who had predicted his decision.

      • Gordon

        Well said, Randy.

      • Darryl

        All taxes are a penalty….All.

      • Daveh234

        Sorry, it’s lawful and defining. Its the Supremes for crying out loud.

      • afdbghq

        Now that the individual mandate is ruled by the SCOTUS as a tax the rule of unexpected consequences raises its head. Because the mandate is now classified as a tax every waiver that obummer gave his union cronies are now null and void because the president cannot waive taxes. Therefore the unions will now be required to live with obamacare. If the liberals still claim the individual mandate is not a tax but a penalty then the whole law is unconstitutional as per the SCOTUS ruling. Lets see which way the liberals go.

      • Kate8

        afd – You are forgetting one thing: since when do the lib/progs care at all about what is legal or Constitutional? They make it up as they go, and it always is twisted and contorted to work in their favor.

        Forget whether it’s a tax, forget all of it… The truth is that Congress is bound by oath to represent we the people, and they clearly are not. They have “overridden” the will of the people, as have the courts, and everything they do now is unlawful.

        The question is, are we going to let them get away with it, and simply fork over for O’care? Are we going to hold out our hands and get chipped, as mandated by 3/13?

        I do believe that, at long last, civil disobedience is in order. It is THEY who are in violation of the law, and it is THEY who need to be held to account.

        Is it better to be on you knees as a slave, or killed on your feet? My guess is most will choose the former.

      • Wayne Leach

        Nullify it in all states by individually failing to obey the mandates, and urging the state legislatures to do their job – enacting legislation to do the same.

      • paradigmshift

        Good point Randy! Now that it has been deemed a tax by the Supreme Court, would it have to go back to Congress to be voted on as a tax and not their previously decided “penalty?” Wishful thinking on my part!

    • dee bray

      Now we will not only get screwed by the insurance companies, but the federal government, as well. I have had my insurance payment raised every year,I do not believe obama has put a hold or clause on how often an insurance company can raise its rates, and what percentage they can raise it to. Any way you look at it they are in cahoots together. We are screwed!

    • Fred

      I think Roberts new what he was doing, “to get people awake and do something about this president on election day”. Most of this mess can be corrected if we vote the right people in office. But, we cannot do it without voting. If it had went the other way it would have given obama the upper hand. Watch for Roberts to resign when Rommey gets elected.

      • Wyl Rae

        Fred,

        Maybe we need a law that mandates everyone who is of age and a citizen has to vote, or he/she is penalized (well okay Justice Roberts will rewrite it as taxed) an amount of say anywhere from $100 to $500 with the penalty/tax mandated for use in paying down the national debt.

      • Kate8

        Fred – While this is an interesting take on the idea, and I contemplated it for a bit… I just can’t buy it.

        I really think they got to him.

        This is not the first time he’s capitulated and sold us out. Back in the early days of the elegibility issue, the case was to be heard by the Supremes. The night before it was to be heard, Obama and goons paid him a visit (it was witnessed).

        By morning the case had vanished off the court docket. It hasn’t been considered anywhere since. (Oh, I know they’ve let it come to lower courts, buy only to be dismissed on lack of standing of the plaintiff. If citizens have no standing, then we are no longer a Constitutional Republic and citizens have no rights.)

        Sorry, but it looks like he just sold us out, plain and simple. Not many people can hold up to bribes and threats. Or maybe he’s just one of them….but I’d be inclined to think they got to him.

  • http://protonius.wordpress.com Protonius

    IMO, Georgetown University Law Professor Randy Barnett “hit the nail on the head” in pointing out that the fact that this (awful) Supreme court decision establishes (in SCOTUS’ opinion) that the Obamacare “personal mandate” is a “TAX” now opens up the issue to a whole new direction of public and Congressional REPEAL-ORIENTED debate!

    If the President, and Congress, in crafting & conference-committeeing & pushing for & signing “Obamacare into law, declared all along that the “personal mandate” was NOT a “tax”, then this SCOTUS-ruling throws the entire basis for Obamacare open to a whole new avenue of revision, rejection, and REPEAL.

    In essence, what SCOTUS has now done is to declare — officially and on the record — that Obamacare was proposed, described, pushed, presented, and passed, UNDER FALSE PRETENSES.

    Isn’t there something about that that smacks, even in the least, of a form of malfeasance at the highest levels — an issue which cries out for redress?

    • Robyn

      Well Said Protonius. The Supreme Court put this right back on the voters, which is where it belongs. If We the People don;t like the politicians that are in office, we Must do our duty to put more responsible people into office. What ever happened to Morals, Ethics, and Upholding the Constitution and the laws of our country. 60 to 70 % of the voters have always opposed this law. The Congress and the President passed it anyway and LIED to us the whole time. Now We can make our voices heard and VOTE THEM OUT!!!!

      • GregS

        Excellent points, Robyn and Protonius!

  • Warrior

    The rumbling under your feet yesterday was not the “founders” turning over in their graves, it was “Mirriam and Webster” of dictionary fame. Leave it to “progressives” to redefine “words”. Someone defines “IS” as “The NEW IS”, someone defines “Penalty as Tax”.

    Maybe in November “Loss could equal Win” or vice versa. You decide.

  • pete

    Justice Roberts has told us.. ‘..do not depend on someone else to defend your rights.’ Politics is a contact sport. The Constitution and the Bill of Rights will not defend us by themselves. Those that believe in Freedom.. have to defend it.

    • Robyn

      Pete says, Justice Roberts has told us.. ‘..do not depend on someone else to defend your rights.’ Politics is a contact sport. The Constitution and the Bill of Rights will not defend us by themselves. Those that believe in Freedom.. have to defend it.

      ‘We the People’ voted those people into office and ‘We the People’ can vote them OUT.
      PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY, there is no substitute for it. All blame is a waste of time, you can’t change others you can only change yourself.

      • seanpatrick3000

        We can try to vote them out but with rampant corruption on the part of the Democratic party and Acorn we loose. our votes will be counted by George Soros backed criminal organizations We lost our freedom long ago and will require a revolution to get it back.

      • Daveh234

        Sean Patrick is an idiot . What crap from his anal ideology of the far right.
        Get a grip, aren’t you American?
        Grow up.

      • James B

        Daveh234, it is idiots like you that have to wake up or we will all go down together

      • Eric Jones

        PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY is term the wealthey invented as yet anouther exuse for ignoring the peoples needs.

      • Deerinwater

        “PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY, there is no substitute for it. All blame is a waste of time, you can’t change others you can only change yourself.”

        Well then, ~ why would being asked to take personal responsibility for your health care cause you great displeasure then?

        Where is the argument?

        Penalty and reward has always been the way government expressed it’s will on the governed , by consent I might add of which you now have.

        So please tell us, what is different here that was not there before?

      • paradigmshift

        Well said Robyn. I’m sure it came as a big surprise to Senator Richard Lugar that he was voted out, here in Indiana after so many years, and he lost to a tea party candidate! It CAN be done! If only people would turn “dancing with the stars” off and pay attention to how their state representatives and senators are voting.

    • Old Henry

      Mr. Smith and Mr. Wesson will do nicely.

  • The Professor

    With all due respect to Chief Justice Roberts, saying that you don’t want to interfere in the Democratic process of our elected officials just doesn’t wash.
    If a law is unconstitutional, then it’s unconstitutional!

    At least four of the Justices managed to get that concept right.

    Also, since when is NOT wanting a service taxable? Boy, the sky’s the limit on that one. If you thought the economy sucks now, you ain’t seen nothing yet.

    November can’t come soon enough, as far as I am concerned. Just be careful who you all vote for on November 6th. They may just come back to wolf down your wallet when you’re back is turned.

    • Daveh234

      Wherewere you when they defined corporations as people?
      What a load of activist right wing crapola.
      If that isn’t partisan I don’t know how everyone didn’t run that one up the flagpole.

  • DavidL

    Oh the shock horror of it all. Here is more fallout from Republican/conservative Chief Justice Roberts.

    • Being a woman is no longer a “pre-existing condition.” Yes, women were denied coverage for just being women before the Affordable Care Act was law.

    • Insurance companies can’t charge you more for being a woman either. Before the Affordable Care Act was law, women were sometimes charged up to 150% more than men of the same age.

    • Breast cancer screenings, cervical cancer screenings, domestic violence counseling and screenings and a whole bunch of other preventive care measures must be covered by insurance companies.

    • Birth control is now covered by health insurance.

    • Children can stay on their parents’ health insurance until they’re 26 years old. And if you want to have kids, the law will help you get pre-natal care and counseling and help with breast feeding and supplies too.

    • Insurance companies can’t take away your coverage if you become too sick.

    • You cannot be denied insurance coverage because of a pre-existing condition.

    • Seniors receive a 50 percent discount on prescription drugs when they hit the “donut hole.”

    • Small businesses get tax credits to purchase insurance.

    • There are no more lifetime limits on your coverage.

    • 15 million more people will receive coverage because of expanded access to Medicaid.

    • Millions of Americans are going to receive tax credits to help them get insurance–people who wouldn’t be able to afford it otherwise.

    • 12 million seniors are currently receiving free preventative care through Medicaid

    Hey Rand Paul, despite what you think, the Supreme Court says what the Constitution means. That’s our system. Here’s a famous insight for you. “The Supreme Court is not last because it is infallible, it is infallible because it is last.

    Justice Roberts just saved a lot of people from medical bankruptcy and or an early death. Go try to repeal that, conservatives, let us know how that works out for you.

    • Paul Wells

      DavidL, No one is saying health care doesn’t need reform, all anyone is saying is it doesn’t need 2300 pages of bureaucratic nonsense and mumbo-jumbo that the libtards put in, a full one-quarter of which are new taxes! Good God, a seven year old could have drafted a better health care bill than this albatross. For you to defend it as the be all to end all shows your true left wing ideology, and that is tired and expensive!

      • http://www.facebook.com/larry.kemp.31 Larry K.

        2300 pages and i haven’t heard one word about the illegals and why not, because they already get health care free.

      • DavidL

        I agree, Paul. I was responding to the repeal crowd. 2300 pages which provides the above, is a heck of a lot better than what the repeal crowd is offering, which is nothing. Zero pages. The tax, penalty, assessment, I don’t care what it’s called, is a tax only on the irresponsible, those who freeload off you and me and jack up our premiums. If you have insurance you are not going to be taxed.

        Also, the Congressional Budget Office scores this healthcare reform as cutting the rise in healthcare costs (it is doing that now) and, over the long term, reduces the deficit. Can this law be improved? Yes and it should. But improvement is not the repeal and undoing all the good this law provides.

        For those among us who think it wrong for the young to pay for the old, they should remember that the older generation paid to feed, cloth, and educate the young whether they had children or not. It was the right thing to do then and that moral connection should be understood, respected, and protected.

        For those who don’t like the idea of a tax penalty for not doing something should realize that our tax code is loaded with examples of this. For instance, if you rent, instead of own your own home, you are taxed higher because you cannot take advantage of the mortgage deduction exemption.

        I think, and hope, that when people forget the partisan rhetoric of the silly season we are in, they will take a serious look, for them and their family, and see that this law helps greatly.

        See Romney on this issue:

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7PG4j2K0dA

    • http://www.wwttab.com David Lloyd

      Here’s an insight for you! SCOTUS is not infallible! Just because Roberts says its Constitutional does not mean it is. There is nothing in the law that said this is a tax. For SCOTUS to legislate taxation is entirely Unconstitutional. This will be overturned! These Marxist/Socialist/Nazistic idiots in POTUS, Senate and House will be cast out, then there will be “wailing and gnashing of teeth!”

      • Kate8

        David – I agree with you. Both Congress and the Courts have shown that they can be bought and corrupted, and their laws and decisions are no longer in keeping with the Law of the Land.

        How nuts is it to have to petition and beg those in office (who are supposed to protect our rights and our Constitution) not to impose tyranny on us, when they obviously are intent on doing just that, and have been for a long time. It’s like putting the fox in charge of the hen house and begging him to protect the chickens. It ain’t gonna happen.

        Just as it is a fox’s nature to eat chickens, it’s government’s nature to enslave people. We all hate feeling powerless, so when given power over others, it’s an intoxicating thing. It tends to make people feel separate from the “ignorant masses”.

        The main problem is that they have the really big guns. What is coming is not for the faint of heart.

      • Eric Jones

        Make up your mind Mr Lioyd are they marxists or nazis because contrarey to what those tea-party extremests think you actually CANT be both.

      • Deerinwater

        “Here’s an insight for you! SCOTUS is not infallible! Just because Roberts says its Constitutional does not mean it is. ”

        I think that same attitude has been used on birth certificates. ~ Until you sign off on it ~ it’s to be viewed as debatable.

        Well Sir, ~ the debate has been concluded by brighter minds and it has been decided by men and women appoint for life to decide the hard decisions for the governed.

        You have misread your cards and could not play the ace up your sleeve without exposing yourself as a cheat.

        You can cash out, or are you in for the next hand of play? Put on your big boy britches and make know your intentions. ~ What shall it be?

      • paradigmshift

        kate8
        “Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.” Lord Acton 1887.
        Who is it that has absolute power over men on earth? Those are the people who will decide the 2012 elections, they are also the ones who call the shots in government decisions, they are also the ones who make decisions about what the corporate media is allowed to tell us, if you are conservative, you believe the lies FOX news tells you, if you’re liberal or ‘progressive’ MSNBC or CNN tells you the lies. If ANY ONE OF THEM steps out of line and lets something slip, he or she is swiftly dealt with and given the left boot of journalistic fellowship!

    • Patriot1776

      DavidL, maybe you are right, maybe this healthcare bill is a wonderful thing and will save the world…but until all of it is read, no one will know the extent of the damage. Given the performance of government intervention in any area, it is highly doubtful that all of the wonderful things that you claim will actually happen. Government is not the answer. The answer is two fold, trusting in God Almighty, and allowing the free market to perform. With government interference always comes higher costs, lower service, and less freedom.

      • DavidL

        You certainly are entitled to your view. Unfortunately, yours is historically inaccurate. Our government, State or Federal, does a heck of a lot right. We (you) couldn’t survive without it. When you have a fire in your home who do you call? The government. When you are in danger of being robbed who do you call? The government. When we have a national emergency who do we rely on? The government. Who paves the roads, collects the garage, protects water and air from business idiots who put profits ahead of public safety? The government. If you are not rich and want to educate your kids instead of sentencing them to a life of poverty, disease, and an early death, you send them to public school, which is government.

        There is an important point to be made here about government under our system. We are the government! Our elected representative are our fellow citizens and neighbors. Our obligation as citizens is to be informed and to actively supervise our representatives. Why? Because they are our employees and it is the responsible thing to do. This healthcare law is far from perfect and it needs improvement. But it is a heck of a lot better than the alternative being offered by the repeal crowd sitting in the cheap seats carping about matters of which they have only spent five minutes thinking about.

        The axis should not be liberal vs conservative, democrat vs republican. it should be constructive vs. destructive. There is an old Chines saying that goes like this; “Who cares where a good idea comes from as long as it is a good idea.” I don’t care that every idea in this healthcare law CAME FROM REPUBLICANS. You should not care that this law came to us from someone you didn’t vote for, PRESIDENT OBAMA. Look to it’s merits and constructively improve it. It is your responsibility as a citizen.

    • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Sharon Taylor

      It all sounds wonderful. However, what happens when everyone runs out of money because the Government takes every cent they make? Who will foot the bill then? And how many businesses will this odious ;piece of garbage put out of business? On top of this, the laws requires everyone to hand over 3.8% of the selling price of their house. This stupid law that will come back to bite everyone. When that happens, all you supporters need to keep your mouths shut. Thinking people tried to warn you.

      • http://yahoo Larry

        Amen Sharon, at least a few people get it

      • RoyRogers

        FYI… We should all understand ..and be aware .. ALL GOVERNMENTS ARE SOCIALISTIC IN NATURE AND OPERATION..! That is what is being described in all these comments…. ALL of us have benefited ..to one degree or another ,.. at some time in our lives ,.from democratic socialistic programs ..BUT.. it is like a double edge sword..
        and must be carefully regulated .. or it can lead us ..like unrestricted capitalism,..to an unpleasant situation. We should choose our leaders carefully.

      • Deerinwater

        They don’t want to hear that Roy, while they would accuse you of being a Utopian.

    • Steve

      While all those things sound great and some are, the fact remains that too many of the people who voted for Obomba and the idiotic leftists still think it means all of it is free. Who do you think is going to pay for all that “free” care. You are. Children covered up until 26, yeah but mommy and daddy are going to paying for it.

      Watch the premiums go up faster than ever before.

      • moonbeam

        Steve says: “While all those things sound great and some are, the fact remains that too many of the people who voted for Obomba and the idiotic leftists still think it means all of it is free.”

        Had this same conversation yesterday with some friends. One kool aid drinker says “Everybody gets free healthcare.” I said “It’s NOT free! Somebody has to pay for it.” He says the government pays for it. I said “Where do you think the government gets the money?” Sheer ignorance.

        He doesn’t believe it’s in the healthcare bill that if you don’t have insurance you pay a penalty. Don’t pay the penalty you go to jail. He REALLY believes this is not in the bill! And nothing you tell him gets through his permeable membrane that we are all in dire trouble. He’s an obooboo lover and thinks it’s all good.

        However, we’ll see the color of his day change when in 2014 when he files his taxes and the fine he will pay for not being able to afford healthcare then going to jail because he can’t pay it.

        As far as premiums going up, they already have in prep for the murderous slaughter of the American people about to take place. I’ve talked to many people whose insurance premiums have already gone up substantially.

        Our conspicuously corrupt gov’t and now the SCOTUS are wiping their arses with our constitution. Can we say American Spring? REVOLUTION is our only recourse to put an end to the madness.

    • http://www.facebook.com/larry.kemp.31 Larry K.

      if your an illegal mexican you can come to america or should i now call america mexico and have your babies free.

    • ChristyK

      All of the things you mentioned sound nice, but who is going to pay for it. Healthcare doesn’t come free. Somebody has to pay for it. Why should I pay for my family’s healthcare and someone else’s who won’t work for it? What do you think costs more: Paying for drugs, doctors, and hospitals or paying for drugs, doctors, hospitals, a beauracracy, and the IRS? This doesn’t reduce costs. It drastically increases costs and reduces quality and quantity of care. Do you really think doctors will take out 10′s or even 100′s of thousands of dollars in student loans to get their degrees, to only get paid a pittance and be unable to pay their student loans. Doctors are going to be leaving the doctoring profession in droves.

      • Deerinwater

        I’m not overly concerned at this point about doctors, or wealthy people or God. ~ These people and things have a lot going for them and really don’t require my assistance at this point in time.

        The affordable heath care act, is mandating personal responsibility. It for you to take care of you, ~for those those that can’t , don’t , won’t or simply refuse, arrangement’s and allowances will be made to fit the situation.

        We as a nation of people have never denied people basic care intentionally and that will not change. What is changing in the shift away from employer based health care where Insurance companies have enjoyed the most lucrative markets and wide profit margins.

        Needless to say, Insurance provider have resisted this as they like things as they are. They has spent millions of dollars from their huge profits to resist this change. The have spent it on politicians and media outlets to sway public opinion, tell us this change is bad!

        For the current employed that has enjoyed years of Federal subsidized health care premiums at the expense of all tax payer, they too do not approve of this “change”. They see themselves as not receiving benefits they have learned to enjoy while all tax payer assisted in paying for their health care coverage.

        So we have three groups of people that don’t approve of this change and then we have all the people that these three groups of people can influence.

        These three groups are; Insurance Companies, People that enjoy status quo and people that are easily programmed and influenced along party lines.

        Some change is dearly needed today is the worst way. ER room across this nation are being flooded everyday with matters a simple office visit could have avoided. This cost is high, ER care is expensive care and we pay this cost with local and federal tax dollars.

        I f you don’t like these changes, offer another but something has got to change.

        Insurance companies are being asked to offer more affordable products with in the reach of more Americans ~ they don’t like that. ~ They don’t feel they they are required too.

        It is insurance companies that have placed themselves in this position, between us and our doctors. So just how much sympathy they might deserve would be left up to the individual. As for myself, I’ve not notice any being offered to me.

    • http://yahoo Larry

      Whaaaaat? do you even understand the garbage you posted?

    • Don H

      Who do you think is going to pay for all of this? You and me buster. Wait until your taxes go through the roof. I have friends in Germany with government health care. I asked them how much they paid in taxes to have their health care. Answer: 55% of their income goes for taxes for health care. You have been duped!

    • Mtnmama

      “Children can stay on their parents insurance until 26 years old”

      I guess we have changed the definition of children. Since someone 26 years old is a child then children should not be allowed to drive, buy alcohol, vote, be in the military, etc – all things that an adult can do! It is soooo easy these days to change the meaning of words

    • Renée

      I hope you don’t try selling your house when this takes effect. There will be a nice 3.8% tax taken out of what ever make on that sale. Hmm, health care, sale of home, yeah, they go together! There are several other sneaky little taxes in there as well. This healthcare scam is not constitutional, it is a product and the gov is not allowed to force people to purchase any product, who gave them that right…OH yeah, I forgot, the amazing B.O. The same one that says the Constitution of the United States of America, the one he swore an oath to uphold, is outdated!

    • afdbghq

      DavidL. So you are OK with the fact that starting in 2013 everyone who sells their property will be required to pay a 3.8% sales tax. Yes, that is part of obamacare, a 3.8% sales tax for selling your house (and who knows what else). What does this tax have to do with healthcare? Nothing because obamacare is not about health care but is all about wealth redistribution. This is what you get when “we have to pass the legislation to know what is in the legislation.” What other unknown taxes/penalties/etc. are hidden in this totally deceitful piece lf legislation?

    • Farleyagain

      No lifetime limit on what you can spend? So no matter how long you have been dying, they can keep you alive on machines and meds till . . .? Sounds like the death panels will be working overtime on that one. I am a woman and I have never been denied health insurance because of it. Where is that happening? Why does my doctor have to file an insurance claim for every visit? I don’t do that with my car or my home insurance. The last time I saw him on my own dime – about 18 months ago – the charge was $50. My previous insurance copay was $40. Where’s the benefit in that when I’m paying $250/month for the insurance and the doctor has to hire additional administrative help to file and wait at least 30 days to be paid by the insurance company? How does adding the government layer of paperwork improve cost?

  • Rafael

    The Supreme Court today upheld “Obamacare,” a massive economic intervention ostensibly designed to cure the ills of American healthcare. Of course those ills were themselves caused by intervention, and this “cure” will only make the situation even worse.

    As Murray Rothbard wrote,

    Our very real medical crisis has been the product of massive government intervention, state and federal, throughout the century; in particular, an artificial boosting of demand coupled with an artificial restriction of supply. The result has been accelerating high prices and deterioration of patient care. And next, socialized medicine could easily bring us to the vaunted medical status of the Soviet Union: everyone has the right to free medical care, but there is, in effect, no medicine and no care.

    http://mises.us1.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=bf16b152ccc444bdbbcc229e4&id=31d5b74e8f&e=7a757ef265

  • outlaw63

    where is my freedom to choose my health

    • Patriot1776

      The same place that your freedom of speach and your freedom of religion are. Taken away by the emporer and stored in the government vault for your protection.

    • Karolyn

      You still have it. If you take care of yourself, you have good health; if not, it’s bad. I assume you’re talking about choosing your own healthcare? You still can. If you would listen to some of the proponents of the law, you might just learn something. That’s the biggest problem. People want to throw out the baby with the bathwater because they can’t balance the information they process. I don’t think a $95 tax (or 10% of income) a year for not buying health insurance is too much to pay.

      • http://www.facebook.com/larry.kemp.31 Larry K.

        that 95$ a year, you better check this out. the tax goes up each year.

      • Scott in SC

        I can’t see how mandating that I purchase insurance will make it affordable; it’s assured that premiums will rise as a result of the mandate.
        I don’t have health insurance now because I can’t afford it and making me pay a fine because I can’t afford it is still leaving me with no healthcare. It’s the same situation for me; I can’t afford health insurance yet I pay taxes to subsidize it for someone else.

      • outlaw63

        so they are going to penalize me for not being able to afford health care, last insurance quote i got was $1200 permonth

      • Sanders

        Yep, the $95 or whatever it is going to be based on your income, won’t get you any closer to having insurance, but it sure will go a long way to paying the health costs of all the illegal aliens Obummer and his minions just OK’s to stay in the US.

  • David in MA

    YES, and check this out:

    http://cowboybyte.com/9451/say-doesnt-the-constitution-require-tax-bills-to-originate-in-the-house/

    excerpt:

    Just a quickie post to debunk an argument that we’re already seeing in threads and e-mails: Namely, doesn’t Article I, section 7 of the Constitution say that all bills that raise revenue must originate in the House? And didn’t ObamaCare pass the Senate before it passed the House? And doesn’t that in turn mean that our nifty new health care “tax” was passed according to unconstitutional procedures?

    and,

    http://www.wnd.com/2012/06/michael-savage-roberts-affected-by-medication/

    excerpt:

    The physician urged Savage to check out Roberts’ history with epilepsy, referring him to a New York Times report in August 2007. The article said that after Roberts suffered a seizure, doctors were weighing whether to treat him with powerful drugs with “troubling side effects,” including mental slowing and forgetfulness.

  • Karolyn

    People might do well to listen to those speaking on the opposite side of the fence. I totally understand why the uproar. However, since Roosevelt, the gov. has been trying to institute some kind of healthcare system, and it’s about time somebody succeeded. Listening to an emergency room doctor and his views last night sheds a new light on how important this is.

    Of course, I do know that conservatives would deny healthcare to undocumented aliens too. After all, they are subhuman, aren’t they?

    Unfortunately, unless forced, the majority of the people will not take care of themselves and will abuse the healthcare system; so it has to be changed. Add to that the chemicals that are forced onto us. NOT ME! I am a conscious eater and user of natural methods to keep my health – 65 and very healthy, with no medications, which is quite a coup these days. Those of us not on medication are an oddity.

    • lonnswanson

      So THE WAY to do this is not by coming up with ways to extend our current medical system, which is the best in the world, but replacing it with socialized medicine forced down the throats of Americans? I think not! No where in American history has government forced its people to buy anything! Now this passed on the premise it is a “tax”, though Obama was quoted in 2009 as saying it wasn’t! Hope you enjoy paying for the freeloaders of society, reinforcing the welfare system and generally dropping the largest tax increase in history on business and industry. This is either repealed or on Jan. 1, 2013, the tax bomb will hit working Americans!

      • Daveh234

        Nowhere is it proven that we have the best healthcare here in America. It doesn’t hold when all the facts are assembled.
        We do have the most expensive. But far from the best.
        Many foreign countries have the to boast of.

    • DavidL

      Amen, Karolyn. We are the only industrialized nation that does not have universal healthcare.

    • Pathfinder

      Congrats on being so perfect Karolyn. Can You say “SERFDOM”? Thanks to the SC we are all now serfs working for the great and all powerful OBAMA socialist government. With your perfect life style you will live long enough to understand the meaning of the word.

    • http://yahoo Larry

      yeah roosevelt was the begining of our socialism slide!

    • DaveR

      Karolyn,

      Do you realize your comments are internally inconsistent? First you say its about time or long overdue that USA institutes national health care because people won’t take responsibility for their own health choices, then you state that you have excellent health because you have taken responsibility and made careful choices to protect your health. You have demonstrated a key, core problem — what should our nation do regarding people who refuse to take responsibility for themselves and answered that other than for yourself and perhaps others who do take care of their health, you apparently agree that somehow government knows best and will act responsibly in the best health care interests of those who will not do so on their own. I am intentionally not addressing the health care availability problems of those who would take responsibility but are unable to do so due to circumstances beyond their control, e.g. tragic accident, genetic disease.

      • DavidL

        Every one has a right to see a doctor. (Especially people who are uninformed about how to best take care of their health) Doing so shouldn’t force you to make a choice between going bankrupt or dying. No other industrialized nation puts its citizens in that situation. Why here in the wealthiest nation on earth?

        I played golf a few years ago with a guy who was suffering from a breathing disorder. He was a smoker, drove a truck, and didn’t have any insurance. I told him I thought he and everyone should have healthcare as a matter of right. He responded that he disagreed because that would be “socialism” and he was against that. He died a year later. But hey, at least he didn’t die a socialist. I wonder how comforting that was to his wife and kids?

      • Karolyn

        DaveR – Unfortunately, there will never be a time when all people take responsibility for their own health. The question is do we just throw them out and let them die or find a way to assist them? For me it’s a conundrum. I cannot condemn people for being ignorant. We can’t all be aware. Essentially, they just don’t know any better. It’s just like the woman I work with who is trying to lose weight and cannot see that, despite the research, she can’t lose weight just by counting calories. Actually, there’s nothing wrong with death anyway, so what difference does it make? The only problem is when the death is painful and lingering, which is why I favor death with dignity. So many variables, so little time!

    • Sanders

      Karolyn,

      Why the HE– should I have to pay for undocumented (that’s illegal) aliens health care, whether they are subhuman or not? I don’t mind helping out my LEGAL neighbor when it’s needed, but never should I feel obligated to foot the bill for someobody who is in this country illegally. Try going to Mexico and bilking their tax payers for your healthcare and see how far you get.

      • Karolyn

        We are our brother’s keeper, whether he’s here illegally or not.

      • Farleyagain

        I’m happy for Karolyn who wants to be her brother’s keeper, but, like the fellow who already cannot afford health insurance, what about the rest of us who would love to put a dollar into every charity at the checkout, 10% into our choice of charities, and contribute to the friend’s birthday lunch, but do not have enough to feed and house themselves? Yes, the middle class has already downsized, removed all luxuries and now finds new ways to fix white bread and peanut butter. What about us? The bill will come to us. That’s what has happened in every nation that chose socialism or communism. Why should we allow it in our beloved America?

        • Renée

          Exactly, how can someone who can’t afford insurance now be expected to find the funds and then get penalized if they don’t. SO what will they do, throw someone into jail if they can’t afford the Affordable Health Care insurance? It seems like BO’s goal is to have everyone in jail, heck he doesn’t need a reason! He passed a law.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Karolyn, stop making up pious BS. We are not our brother’s keeper. If you believe that you got it from the Bible, go read it again. That was Cain’s snotty reply to God after Cain killed Abel.

      • Buster the Anatolian

        Karolyn since you believe we are our brothers keepers even if there are here illegaly take a couple of the illegal extended Mexican families into your home and support them for a year.

    • Airangel

      Illegals fall under Mexico’s jurisdiction, or whatever country they are from, they are NOT Americans and should have to reimburse the American people in money or volunteer labor so they would stop abusing the “free” care that hard working real Americans scrape by on just to feed and shelter their own families. There is too much fraud and abuse and it needs to stop!

  • Whit

    Welcome to Nazi America…The SCOTUS ruling marks the 1st time in U.S. history that the federal govt. requires citizens to enter into contract with a private entity for goods or services. It only gets worse from here.

    BTW, the same people who wrote, voted and signed this legislation into law, as well as the court affirming it, are exempted from the rules of the ACA law. In addition, there are approximately 1300 exemptions given so far and sure to expand. Illegal aliens, Muslims, Scientologists, (but no other religious group), are but a few.

    • Sanders

      Whit,

      You touched on a very significant point. The one in congress boasting about what a great piece of legislation this was has procurred the most exemptions for her constituents. That would be non other than the wicked witch of the west Nancy Pelosi. “We have to pass this bill so we can find out what’s in it!” Well here is a very small taste of it folks. The rest will be uncloaked in 2014. Hold onto your pants everybody, it’s going to be a wild ride.

    • afdbghq

      Sinnce the individual mandate is now legally a tax, all the exemptions given are now null and void because no one can exempt anyone from a tax. So now all the businesses will be required to follow the law. The rule of unexpected consequences.

  • Polski

    Our health care, which is the “sickness industry”, is corrupt not only within the government but also private industry. It is the MOST expensive, and rates at the 49th best.

    • http://yahoo Larry

      really? then why does everyone flock here to get health care?

      • Karolyn

        They do? I’ve heard just the opposite, especially the people with money who will travel to Europe where they have treatments that are not approved here by the infamous FDA. There are even a lot of people who travel to Mexico for alternative treatments.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      And you believe the phony stats of World Health Organisation?

  • Ron The Marine

    karolyn , ron, and your twit friends are really pathetic! I don’t mind helping those who need help SHOULD I WANT AND DECIDE TO! When someone says you SHOULD HAVE TO HELP THOSE WHO WILL NOT GET OFF THEIR LAZY ASS AND TRY TO HELP THEMSELVES IS WHEN YOU ARE TAKING AWAY MY RIGHTS! The SCOTUS also came to wonderful decision back in the early 70,s that it is OK for a sperm sponge whore to kill her unwanted Baby THAT WAS CREATED IN GOD’S IMAGE! DR. Charles Stanley, Pastor of First Baptist Church Atlanta, GA, said prior to the infamous 2008 election, “If you build a grave yard big enough to bury all the USA’s aborted PRECIOUS GOD-GIVEN BABIES that godless women KILL, IT WOULD MEASURE 100 MILES WIDE AND 100 MILES LONG! He further said without giving their name “YOU ONLY NEED LOOK AT A PERSONS STANCE ON ABORTION TO KNOW WHOM GOD WOULD HAVE YOU VOTE FOR”! His famous statement “OBEY GOD AND LEAVE THE CONSEQUENCES TO HIM”! really sums it up! And for those who want to impose their stupid beliefs on me by saying “ITS THE CHRISTIAN THING TO DO”, then YOU PAY FOR IT YOU DUMB-ASSs! DON’T FORCE OTHERS TO PAY FOR YOUR IGNORANCE! If GOVMENT healthcare is so wonderful, how come England and Canada are tanking from the “wonderful” cost?

    SEMPER FI!

    • Karolyn

      You’re entitled to your beliefs, as I’m entitled to mine. The difference is that I respect your rights. I believe that each one of those souls that did not come into this world at that particular time either came at a later date or chose not to manifest into a human body at all. I would really be surprised if you respect that belief, as people like you do not like those whose thought processes are not like your own.

      • http://yahoo Larry

        WOW! you are so right I do not respect such ridiculous thinking!

      • Karolyn

        Larry – Just thinking outside the indoctrinated little box we were all brought up in. You should try it some time. It’s very freeing!

    • Airangel

      Amen Ron the Marine! We are breeding a lawless and immoral society that do not want to be responsible for their actions or made to tow the line. They could care less who they hurt or rob just as long as they have their way. You and I have to pay for their bad choices and the care of their offspring because they were too stupid to be responsible. You reap what you sow…soon we will be a gutless, fat, illiterate, drugged=up, tribal, wasteland of a society full of chaos, lawlessness and slavery with no freedom or ability to pursue hapiness for those willing to try!

  • Average Joe

    My solution:

    Civil disobediance.
    Regardless of consequences,I will not comply!

    As per MSNBC’s recent poll, 60% of the people disagree with the SCOTUS ruling….it’s time to stand up and be counted.
    Call your insurance company and cancel your policies…effective immediately!
    The only thing these arrogant SOB’s understand is their wallets…if you want change…hit them where they will be hurt most… stop empowering them by giving them money. Sure, it may be tough for a month or so…but their wallets will get the message and they will change gears….quickly….as we are talking billions of lost dollars monthly… nationwide.
    Exercise your power of the purse! Cut the bastards off!!!
    If you are not willing to sacrifice for the betterment of your nation, what kind of patriot are you? Our founders risked their lives daily…they risked being hung for treason (the highest sacrifice that can be made). What are you willing to sacrifice for your country? If a couple of months of discomfort is too much to ask…you are not my countrymen.

    “If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.” – Samuel Adams, speech at the Philadelphia State House on August 1, 1776.

    Which will it be? What legacy do YOU want to leave to your descendants? How do YOU want to be remembered by your great grand children?

    Best Wishes,
    AJ

    • Daveh234

      As Great Gampa or Great Gamma?
      I am hopeful now that I will live long enough to hear those words.

      • Average Joe

        Daveh234 ,

        You write:
        “I am hopeful now that I will live long enough to hear those words.”

        I promise you…this too shall pass.

        May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.” – Samuel Adams

        Best Wishes,
        AJ

    • http://yahoo Larry

      well put!

  • FreedomFighter

    Your are here and where you are going — see link for diagram:

    http://standeyo.com/NEWS/12_Pics_of_Day/120628.pic.of.day.b.html

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

    • Daveh234

      Oh, now I’ve seen the link…I didn’t know there was science to prove that our evolution is really de-evolution. This really does change all my ideas about life.

  • Betty Frey

    i would say try this idiot for treason what he has done to this country is unforgiverable and our kids and grandkids will be paying for it . he definitely has done his job well its time for him to leave so if not treason remember you who created this monster can rectify yourself in nov.

    • http://yahoo Larry

      I agree impeach Roberts along with the commie, Elena Kagan

      • moonbeam

        Kagan should have recused herself from the decision. She helped the illegal usurper draft the unconstitutional law then she voted on its constitutionality.

  • http://peresonallibertydigest.. gottaplenty

    Ron says deny medical help for fellow man… Who do you know that cannot get medical help just as it stands today? even all your commie friends and Mexican ( law breakers ) ilegals can go to any hospital and get care and the cost is dumped on the tax payer, your bad guy. Any one that has enough sense to get out of the fire can see thru your cheap assed excuses to have every thing given to you.

  • http://YAHOO cca

    “MONEY TALKS AND PEOPLE WALK”, author unknown.
    IS IT POSSIBLE THAT THE SUPREME COURT IS FOR SALE?
    HOW DOES THE COURT ALWAYS COME UP WITH A “PIE IN THE SKY”
    RESPONSE? HOW MANY TIMES HAS A JUSTICE WITH A LIBERAL MINDSET
    VOTED CONSERVATIVE? WHERE DO THESE JUSTICE GET ALL OF THEIR WEALTH?
    WHY DO THEY NOT HAVE TO SHOW THEIR TAX RETURNS? DO THEY HAVE OFF-SHORE BANK ACCOUNTS THAT DEPOSITS ARE CREDITED TO? DO NOT SOME OF THEM OWN A HOME IN A SOCIALIST COUNTRY? MY RESPECT FOR THE COURT IS NO LONGER. MAYBE WE NEED TO ELECT THE JUSTICES, THEN JOHN ROBERTS
    CAN LEARN THAT THE “WRATH” OF THE PEOPLE.

    • Carl Manning

      Chief Justice John Roberts is likely part of the same George H.W. Bush Sr criminal cabal that bribes government officials and pays for CIA black ops. Other members in this same cabal are the Clintons, the Obamas, “W”, JEB Bush, Neal Bush, VP Joe Biden, Timothy Geithner, Ben Bernanke, Henry Paulson, JP Morgan Chase Chairman Jamie Dimon(the guy the Senatorial Committee was salivating over the other day), Rahm Emanuel, Michael Herzog, Paul Guenette, Josef Ackermann, Mitt Romney, Alan Greenspan, Tony Blair, Sir Joseph Birch, Heinz Bosche, Wilfredo Saurin, Marlon McCall, and American Congressmen and Senators. Those Cayman Island offshore accounts were only the tip of the iceberg. These guys had their laundered bribery money in the Vatican Bank accounts, and then much of it was moved to hide it from investigators. Why do you think Michelle Obama took a trip to Spain of all places a little while back??? She was moving her laundered money from one bank to another. This cabal is working in tandem with the criminal banksters at the FED and HSBC of London, Deutsche Bank, and many other banks all across the world to hide intercepted wire transactions and laundered drug money. Remember the 16 trillion that was discovered missing from the Federal Reserve Bank of New York after the cursory audit of the FED last year??? Well, it was discovered that 15 trillion dollars was wired to HSBC London from the FED in three tranches (installments) of 5 trillion dollars each!!! The monetary transactions weren’t even properly backed with anything but a completely fictitious bogus amount of gold. Why do you think JEB Bush and Bush Sr recently had a meeting with Obama in the White House??? I don’t believe they stopped by just to say “Hi”. Why do you think Bush Sr and Clinton have such a cozy relationship??? To discover more about this cabal go to the White Hats Report at…

      http://tdarkcabal.blogspot.com/

      This will never be reported in the MSM or Faux Noise or the Drudge Report or WND or any of the other usual Neocon Echo Chambers on Talk Radio because they are too scared to touch it. This is THE Watergate of Watergates! Hopefully, when the vote to audit the FED COMPLETELY reaches the floor of the House in one month for a vote FINALLY, we will be able to get to the bottom of this in the MSM. Those who believe this will be stopped in the Senate need to know that Harry Reid has already expressed support for this legislation to have a COMPLETE AUDIT OF THE FED.

      http://tdarkcabal.blogspot.com/2012/02/february-20-2012-white-hats-report-36.html
      http://tdarkcabal.blogspot.com/2012/05/may-6-2012-white-hats-report-41.html
      http://tdarkcabal.blogspot.com/2012/01/january-26-2012-white-hats-report-35.html
      http://tdarkcabal.blogspot.com/2012/02/february-27-2012-white-hats-report-37.html

  • Airangel

    In a way, Justice Roberts threw us an out. By making it a tax, it will be easier to repeal and just sealed Obama’s fate because every Freedom loving, responsible American are engaged more than ever now….this will cripple and dissolve the middle class who don’t qualify for medicaid yet don’t make enough to afford the fine and who are already losing their homes and working 2-3 jobs to meet their bills…this slapped every hard workding family in the face…Rich elite won’t pay because they got waivers or they avoid paying through tax loop holes, muslims are exempt because of their faith, illegals are exempt because they are not American citizens, Welfare/medicaid patients are exempt so that leaves the middle class on the hook again to cover all these government programs! Everyone I just mentioned uses the hospitals, schools, police, fire, roads, bridges, prisons, our military, etc. yet less than half are having money stolen from their checks to send revenue to the Federal Government to pay for all plus the bailouts like Solyndra and Obama’s foreign aid spending…when a country is financially strapped, they are prime for a take over…let’s pray we can turn this around before the Crown or China’s million man military march in to collect! Vote these destroyers of American Freedom out in November!

    • http://yahoo Larry

      actually its a 200 million man army,we can only hope to vote them all out and change the course we are on before it is too late. arm yourselves.

  • http://personallibertyalert none381

    when i was a kid i always wondered what it was like to live in a communist country? i never thought i would live to see it happen in the USA.but thanks to him and the liberals and now john roberts i guess i have lived to see this nightmare.this dicator swore this was not a tax.now hes says it is.the biggest tax hike in history.now the middle classANDthe rich will have to take up the slack for all his illegals and his slackers.thank you congress-and SC FOR HAVING A SPINE.you all should have to wear a yellow stripe down your backs.

    • Rasta

      Like those you Nazis persecuted!

  • Rennie

    How did the largest “TAX” increase in US history originate in the senate instead of congress(house)? Did SCOTUS ever even read the Constitution? And how do they justify the religous discrimination of puinishing people for not joining certain religous groups the Obama administration has given it’s blessings to? Have the people who have taken and administer the oaths of fidelty to the US Constitution, completely dismissed it? So all these oaths mean nothing because no one has a clue what the rule of law in this country is anymore? Or was it always a joke? And when they decide it’s time to microchip people? See the ytube CSPAN video of Sen. Biden asking Roberts in his nomination confirmation hearing in 1995, about the controversey of mandatory microchipping, very eerie. Makes you wonder if the whole thing was a “fix” fifteen plus years in the making?

    • http://yahoo Larry

      we have sitting justices who are atempting to throw out the constitution. Elena Kagan for one and Ruth.

    • Daveh234

      Not the largest tax increase ever. Not even close. The increases are projected to be about the size of tax increases passed in 1980 by Carter, in 1990 by G. Bush and 1993 by Clinton.They would be lower than increases signed by Reagan in 1982.

      Just the facts.

      • Sanders

        Nobody, not even most in congress, knows just how much this tax increase will be as most everybody in the country still doesn’t know what all is in this new law. But I do know one thing for sure, it will be one hell of lot more than you obviously think as it will need to be enough to cover all the “undocumented” (that’s illegal) aliens health care.

  • roger gunderson

    How about the homeless. Will they have to buy insurance or get fined or put in jail?

    • Karolyn

      There will be special provisions for the poor. Of course, many of them are already covered by Medicaid.

    • moonbeam

      Only if they file taxes. From what I’ve read, when filing taxes there will be a space on the IRS form where the info about your healthcare insurance goes. I gather that if you don’t have insurance the fine will be applied when filing and taken from whatever refund you are due. It’s called unchecked gov’t thievery.

      Wonder what would happen if folks started getting paid in cash instead of a paycheck?

      Come on America The Beautiful! Are we going to just bend over and take this painful blood soaked rape or are we going to stand upright, turn around and fight back?

      • Sanders

        Actually, taking the tax out of their tax return would be a pretty good idea. I have 4 adult kids, 2 of which don’t even break $20K a year yet they get close to $10K back on their tax returns. Tell me, how do you call this tax “return” when we all know that there is no way they paid in even half that much in taxes.????? Hint: Its another tax on the middle class that pays for this. Compliments of more Liberal laws that passed in the 2008, 2009 years.

  • s c

    Pride cometh before a fall. Beyond that, anyone with a dab of common sense should now be able to recognize what’s really in the White House.
    “No taxation without representation” should have knocked most Amerikans on their rumps yesterday. Does it need to be SAID that few – if ANY – of those elected, slimeball retards ever took the time to READ that bastardized enslaver of Amerika? Folks, if our elected useful idiots don’t take the time to read the legislation they sign, it doesn’t take a handful of advanced degrees to know that the legislation they pass is not valid. WHY are elected vermin NOT required to take and pass a READING TEST to be seen as “worthy” of being in Washington?
    If nothing else, this ‘legislation’ truly separates adults from the genetically defective filth who serve no purpose in this once-great nation. Smoke ‘em if ya got ‘em, and NEVER forget.

  • Pathfinder

    Justice Roberts and his four cohorts have very creative minds. How they construed the mandate as a tax is pure BS. His disclaimer that the SC is not there to protect the interests of citizens is telling. No longer is America the great nation that it one was. The dolts out there that think Obama and Democrats are saviors have dug graves for liberty and personal freedom. This nation is now on the path to perdition.

    • http://yahoo Larry

      unfortunately very few people get that, or we would not have an idiot in the white house right now.

  • Patriot

    By reading Roberts’ brief, it is clear that someone got to him. Either this law gets approved or else, these forces are extremely powerful and we have lost all control. What they do not realize, is that we have not yet begun to fight!

  • Nze Cornelius

    Symantics gladdens the heart of lawyers and talkatives. Whatever you understand from the Supreme court ruling is for you to keep but the lesson we may grudgingly learn is that the high court need not pander to the whims and caprices or racists, greedy and unpatriotic individuals. Most of the people fighting the individual mandate do not fight on any principle but with the colored eye of a politician. Imagine Mitt RRomney with offshore accounts at Cayman Islands,who has not filed his 2011 tax returns or Karl who made millions from the Bush presidency or the myopics who want the supreme court to tow a given line. Call it tax or penalty, Congress decided that if you refuse to take advantage of the right to buy your own insurance, then you have to pay a fine. The supreme court says this is constitutional, period.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1417763559 Beno

    Obozo care, death to the elderly, a free ride for illegals like the president, good for lazy, uneducated and leeches on the government, time to put this so called tax in the grave rather then us, Marx said tax the people into slavery and obozo in one of his children, a marxist, communist little religious god man, communism is a religion, the state is god, the same with socialist, only communist knows you have to disarm the public so you can be god and king without worry of a war against those in power, the next step of this little hitler god in office, don’t say you weren’t warned.

  • Mtnmama

    And don’t forget Muslins do not have to pay the tax if they do not have health care – they are exempt!

  • Syl

    From now on, NOTHING should be sent to the politically activated supreme court. We have no Supreme Court. We now have another branch of political legislators. I have been losing respect for the courts and the government for many years and now any respect at all is gone. It’s time for you-know-what. The next time there is a disaster (like Katrina) and everyone leaves, REAL Constitutional Americans should move in, take over, Set up a REAL Constitutional government and sesede from the union. Build a tall wall and form our own militia. I’m not afraid of the militia. I’ve met a few members. BUT I AM AFRAID OF THIUS GOVERNMENT’S TYRANTS.

  • http://www.facebook.com/tullmargaret Margaret Tull

    tell obama to stick his eat care law up his assssssssssssssssss

  • http://www.facebook.com/tullmargaret Margaret Tull

    ouu are going to the same thing tell obama to stick his helthare bill up his asssssssssssss

    • jopa

      Margaret;Put the bottle down when you try to type.Thank you.

  • Humpty Dumpty

    Is the tax going to be a tax deductible tax on our annual income tax filings or as a medical expense? It will be interesting to see how that terminology and placement sift down. If it appears under medical expense, “Houston, we got a problem.” It’s supposed to be a tax according to SCOTUS and, as such, one of the numerous new and additional taxes the Obama administration has saddled a broken country with.

    • jopa

      Humpty: this is not in reality a new tax.Do you think the hospitals and doctors were not paid when the uninsured went in for care.Federal law states they have to be treated and your tax dollars have paid for the uninsured for years.With the new ACA they will at least pay what they can afford and the full burden of their health care will not be on the taxpayer.Today the average middle class family is paying $3,600.00 less in taxes since Obama became President.Just a fact thrown in because I feel the folks at Fox didn’t tell you this.The new ACA bill will be similar to Medicare where a small deduction is taken from your SS check and no one suffers any major catastrophe such as bankruptcy due to medical bills.Once the public becomes more educated and realizes what’s all in the bill they will love it as much as medicare.

      • GregS

        jopa says:

        “…this is not in reality a new tax.”

        Wrong! The Supreme Court, at the request of the legal team for your beloved President Obama during the oral arguments, has ruled that it is a tax. Furthermore, the law CANNOT be implemented, unless it is considered a tax.

        You can rant on all you want about how you think that it isn’t, but the bottom line is that the SCOTUS has ruled that it is a tax. And that’s all that counts. Otherwise, the law is UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

  • Dizzy

    Ron, I’m with you! The left has gone renegade, and is so far from reality that

    • jopa

      GregS; This is not a new tax in that you are already paying for the uninsured, but at a higher rate than need be.When they all go to the ER it costs more than if they would have just gone to a doctor.It is your tax dollars that are paying for those ER visits and an ER visit is not cheap.

      • GregS

        Wrong, again, jopa. No one’s taxes are going to go down as a result of ObamaTAXCare, regardless of where those tax dollars are going. In fact, taxes will go up, as a result of ObamaTAXCare.

        Therefore, it is a new tax.

  • Dizzy

    Doesn’t everyone know the remedy to this continually failing administration,It’s very simple, VOTE HIM AND IT, OUT! Don’t remind all the Obamizers when it’ time to vote.

  • David

    I wish those Dumbocrats would come tell me to my face what a great victory the supreme court decision is for the people!! They would be needing healthcare after I got through with them!!!

  • Renée

    Where is the separation of church and state? Religious organizations had pushed for a conscience exemption, but the B.O. administration has denied their request. “The Obama administration will allow religious organizations a one-year delay before they must comply with a new rule requiring employers that offer workers health insurance to include access to contraception with no out-of-pocket cost,” the Washington Post reports. That means that employers opposed to abortion–even Catholic schools, hospitals, and charities–will be required to provide health care coverage that they find morally objectionable. One more thing, Elena Kagan should have recused herself from this decision, considering she was Solicitor General during the highly contentious Congressional debates over the Affordable Care Act. She was certainly in a position which would call into question her ability to be impartial in her ruling.

  • Renée

    Here is something you should read about penalties/taxes, they will be used interchangeably.
    http://factcheck.org/2012/06/how-much-is-the-obamacare-tax/

  • maximumlite

    So with this ruling what has really changed other than the fact that the people who make more will pay less, does anyone really believe that we are not already paying for the uninsured through higher health insurance premiums, now it is evend out as the poor also have to pay their fair share or it will be taken out of the perks like child care credit or earned income tax credit. Why are people getting a refund check? Is everyone against it going to send your check back to give it to the CEO? Please show us the copy of the check you send back and proof they took it back like the cancelled check they cashed taking the money back. I know that not all of this was good but it is a great start on the ROMBAMA CARE BILL. When have we become a country of not wanting to help one another and for everyone that brings up welfare I hope you have read the Clinton welfare reform act and know just how hard it is to get welfare and what you are required to do to get it. We have become a nation of disgrace, and for those of you who will say move to another country, maybe you should move there first as I support everyone who has fallen on hard times in this country, legals anyways. I never bitched about what I’ve paid in taxes or in the child support I’ve paid, and have included every kid of mine in the best healthcare that I could obtain for them. Everyone is entitled to a hand up and not a handout as far as I’m concerned. When I lost my job because of being disabled because of a wrong DX that said I had a stroke and it was MS, I chose not to drive up everyones premium by going to the ER, and am now more disabled, maybe I should sue the healthcare system and drive up your premiums, just a few tests would have prevented my current disability. A incurable disease on anyone of you, where you lost your job and health care, where you are uninsurable would probally change your mind. We have gotten to a place where we are not the American dream anymore.

    • jopa

      maximumlite;Very good post and I wish you the best.Too many in this country today just think about themselves and not their fellow American.Then we have these people that say our President is trying to destroy America by making them healthier and more educated.What kind of logic they use boggles the mind.

  • tbone

    get it through your thick skulls, your vote means nothing.

  • GregS

    Bait-and-switch. That’s the tactic that our notorious lying President is using to promote this 2700-page piece of junk:

    First, he and most of the Democrats insisted that it wasn’t a tax, just to get it through Congress, because they fully realized that it wouldn’t pass if it were a tax.

    Then, in order to make it appear Constitutional before the Supreme Court, the Presidential legal advisors insisted that it was a tax, during the oral arguments.

    Now, they are back to insisting that it’s not a tax.

    So, which is it, Mr. Obummer? Is it a tax, or isn’t it?

    If it’s not a tax, then it’s UNCONSTITUTIONAL! The Supreme Court has ruled!

    ___________________________________________________________________
    Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Obama[TAX]Care’s got to go! Defeat the Dems to make it so!

  • http://gravatar.com/protonius Protonius

    This horrendous, unjustifiably contorted, acrobatically convoluted, and (IMO) unconstitutional & law-violative, ruling by SCOTUS, about Obamacare, suggests within its internally self-contradictory illogic what may be a direct path to the ruling’s own demise. Perhaps a good Constitutional Law expert, such as a Lawrence Tribe, can explore whether this path can in any way be pursued or if it’s just a wishful but unrealistic dream.

    To wit:

    Is it at all Constitutionally feasible to institute a lawsuit in which the primary charge is that the Supreme Court, in regard to how it ruled in the “Obamacare” case (by going against the written & stated will of the President and the Congress, and even AGAINST THE LETTER OR THE “OBAMACARE” LAW and declaring that a part of Obamacare is not a PENALTY but a TAX, has ITSELF ACTED IN VIOLATION OF WHAT THE CONSTITUTION SAYS THE SUPREME COURT CAN AND CANNOT DO?

    If SCOTUS has indeed gone beyond what the Constitution authorizes it to do, then the next question becomes one of “who do we (i.e., whomever, or whatever group or agency, chooses to officially pursue the issue) go to, in order seek redress”?

    Do we bring the case against SCOTUS — TO SCOTUS?

    Not likely, for any number of sound reasons — not the least of which would be that all the SCOTUS justices, if they were all truly persons of honor, would have to recuse themselves from hearing the case — but, even in view of how Ms. Kagan chose not to recuse herself in the just-concluded “Obamacare” case, what guarantee would we have that that would happen?

    But suppose that such a legal challenge, by some magic (and unlike how the lower courts rejected, on grounds of “no standing”, all those Obama “eligibility-challenges), WOULD reach (and expeditiously so!) the hallowed (hollowed?) halls of SCOTUS, and all the current SCOTUS justices recused themselves. Who, do you susect, would have the authority to nominate their prospective replacements? Would it be, perhaps, the very guy whose overwhelming “gift” to the nation is (a) an unfathomably gigantic & increasing debt, (b) war policies and increasing challenges to our freedoms, (c) a ramping-up of the Bush-II concept of “the Unilateral Presidency”, and (d) OBAMACARE?

    So how do we challenge — and succeed in that challenge — the SUPREME COURT as to how SCOTUS appears (IMO at least) to have itself acted in violation of the limits that the Constitution has set on what the SCOTUS can and cannot do?

    I see this as a critical issue, because, in my view, EVEN IF the upcoming Congress repeals “Obamacare”, the SCOTUS RULING as to “Obamacare”, and the PRECEDENT that that SCOTUS ruling has set, STILL STANDS.

    And if that precedent is NOT struck down as being UNCONSTITUTIONAL, then the Federal Government, and its agencies, and the Congress, and whomever serves as President, CAN STILL USE THAT PRECEDENT AS A BASIC FOR IMPOSING DICTATORIAL, IMPERIAL, CONTROLS OVER US ALL.

    Thus it is the SCOTUS “OBAMACARE” RULING and the PRECEDENT set by that ruling that BOTH must be overthrown.

    So, to any Constitutional Law experts “out there”, I ask: What can be done — NOW — to attain those ends?

  • Iraqparamedic

    Iraqparamedic; What a lot of people miss is that word credit, tax credit, the government/IRS will make you pay that back one way or the other.

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