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A Kentucky Kicker

October 28, 2010 by  

A Kentucky Kicker

The mainstream media headlines carried the story aloft like banners at one of those left-wing “Keep America Stupid” rallies. “Woman Attacked by Rand Paul Supporter.” “Rand Paul Thugs Stomp Democratic Woman.”

Democrats, driven to the heights of hysteria by an impending Election Day which may well send Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) to smaller digs, and her Senatorial Deputy Droopalong Harry Reid (D-Nev.) back to Reno, were literally driven to paroxysms of joy at the images of a purported Paul backer taking President Barack Obama’s own strategy of “stepping on their necks” a little too literally.

Given the leftward lean of the MSM, the story was reported with the breathless excitement of a People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals member hearing the tofu delivery guy pulling up in his Prius. In fact, the casual observer might have thought Paul himself had ordered the assault. With Paul gripping a double-digit lead in the Bluegrass State’s Senate race, the left thought they might have been handed the October Surprise they needed. 

But Rand Paul had nothing to do with the alleged assault on Lauren Valle, not that you’d know it from the MSM accounts. In fact, the real story here is merely sad; the political propulsion is conspicuously contrived. A man behaved badly and his comeuppance shall come to pass soon enough. 

For her own part, Valle, a member of the George Soros-backed Moveon.org hate battalion, had arrived at the Kentucky debate to “present” Paul with an admittedly fake “award” for “service to” (something suitably conservative and therefore evil, stupid and/or racist… blah, blah, blah). So, Valle, like her ideological masters at the Soros School for the Simpleminded, has no class.

Neither does the guy who posed for the “Man most likely to be fired by the Paul campaign” photo with his brogan on her noggin. And that should be it. Case closed. The aggressor gets the hook from the Paul camp, everyone agrees hitting girls, even stupid, rude and/or communist girls, is unacceptable; and we “moveon.org” to “Election Day.conservative.”

Sadly, to quote ESPN’s Lee Corso:  “Not so fast, my friend!”

This wasn’t Service Employees International Union purple-shirted stormtroopers getting physical with senior citizens who object to Obamacare in Florida. Nor was it SEIU goons (again) pounding on some black guy who dared to be different in the Show-Me State (conservative activist and assault victim Kenneth Gladney). This wasn’t the New Black Panther Party toy soldiers waving bats outside polling places. In fact, this isn’t even a story about some wingnut assaulting a woman at the same debate mere minutes before the alleged attack on Valle

The Paul/Conway debate debacle is an opportunity to paint Paul as a fascist and his supporters as goose-steppers. Those aforementioned tales of liberal violence directed toward conservatives are documented fact, but they certainly don’t jibe with the Left’s last-ditch efforts to steer the Hope and Change Express back onto the Political Relevancy Parkway, so they don’t grab the headlines. 

In actuality, the Battle of the Bluegrass Beatdown is a shallow tale. It’s supposed to go: Guy hits girl. Guy faces punishment. However, in the days of Democrat desperation, the progressive progression now reads: 

  • Guy hits girl. 
  • Media checks guy’s political persuasion. 
  • Guy turns out to be Republican. 
  • Media claims guy is representative of all Republicans. 
  • Guy faces punishment for alleged assault. 
  • GOP faces media lynching for encouraging violence. 

Of course, if the avowed offense had been committed by one of Obama’s true-blue (state) toadies, the progression would follow thusly:

  • Guy hits girl. 
  • Media misses attack while bending over to tie shoes. 
  • Guy goes back to SEIU local HQ and has beer with fellow goons. 
  • Girl goes home, forgotten. 
  • Media ignores attack, and blames GOP for making poor SEIU thugs so angry.

I am not so foolish to suggest that the Republicans are entirely a decent lot, devoid of philistine and clod. However, as a self-manufactured electoral doom rises to greet the Democrats, some of their behavior is repellent to the core, regardless of whether the MSM chooses to acknowledge it.

Nonetheless, what we have in the Story of the Stomping of Valle is breathtakingly simple: Some people are cretins, political persuasion be damned. Valle may be a lunatic who’s allowed a tinfoil-hat brigade like Moveon.org take control of her underemployed cranium — but that means she deserves to be educated, enlightened, and if she won’t learn the errors of her liberal ways — ignored; not pounded like an Obamacare opponent who stopped to ask for directions at the local SEIU chapter.

Whichever way you choose to cast your ballot this Tuesday, remember:  Don’t hit girls — even when the Democrats say it’s all right.

Ben Crystal

is a 1993 graduate of Davidson College and has burned the better part of the last two decades getting over the damage done by modern-day higher education. He now lives in Savannah, Ga., where he has hosted an award-winning radio talk show and been featured as a political analyst for television. Currently a principal at Saltymoss Productions—a media company specializing in concept television and campaign production, speechwriting and media strategy—Ben has written numerous articles on the subjects of municipal authoritarianism, the economic fallacy of sin taxes and analyses of congressional abuses of power.

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  • s c

    Children confuse what they want with things they think they deserve. With age comes maturity, unless distractions like politics get in the way. We are told to put away childish things. In doing so, we learn to see the difference between what we want and what we can have. Adults reason, and children “feel.”
    For a time, we refuse to believe there are people in this world (in every community, in every state and across America) who will do anything to get what they want. They are rightfully viewed as criminals. It is no coincidence that these people have much in common with politicians.
    Justice is coming, and it is moving like a train on a downhill grade. Let deluded self-lovers stand on the tracks. No one forced them to stand in the middle of a train track with a fast-moving train getting closer and closer.

    • FreedomFighter

      The woman was a plant designated to get the reaction she got…that said they should not have given in.

      It is difficult not to kick evil little rats in the head, and that wig wearing little Alinsky demonrat wanted to be kicked, to take one for the team-evil.

      Laus Deo
      Sempre Fi

      • William

        she needed to be stomped in the face,

        • Robert S

          I think she got off easy. In fact this might swing some more votes into Paul’s column. People like to see good Americans fight back against little Commie sluts.

        • Angel

          Ahhh… I see the PHONY Christians are here!

          • JC

            Didn’t notice any claims to Christianity there, but your comment suits the article perfectly….sling crap even when there’s none to sling…typical Lib.

          • Bob Wire

            I surely don’t believe rand paul had anything to do with it.

            and I’m yet to know or see what this person done to get the treatment she seem to have got. It’s would have to been awfully bad.

            Treating people like a piece of meat is necessary sometimes to ensure your safety and subdue the subject with overwhelming force. The subject need to quit resisting as quickly as possible as injury is imminent.

            Was this such a case?

            I didn’t see what I needed to see to make the call.

          • Angel Wannabe

            JC, Sal Alinsky rules, AGITATE, if theres no problem, then create one!!__The progressives have learned well!

          • Angel Wannabe

            Martin, NUP no phoney Christians here__There’s only one Messiah for those who believe_ and he’s NOT the pathetic excuse for a President in Washington either!

          • Jana

            To me it sounds like William might be the “plant” here. The video clearly shows her trying to shove a sign in Pauls car window and the others grabbed her and pulled her off. She was resisting, and her wig came off. Hmmmm, this means she was in disguise, nor was she an innocent bystander, nor a supporter.
            She was brought down but the foot on her shoulder was over the line. She was already down. The man who put his foot on her shoulder was a volunteer. Unfortunately when the adrenalin flows, some people act first and think later.Clearly though, she was there to cause a scene but was not physically capable of handling the scene she caused.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Yeah jana, william may be a plant_-lets ignore him! :)

        • Karolyn

          This is the kind of talk that fuels what your opposition is saying, William. What a stupid thing to say! NOBODY deserves to be stomped on, no matter what they do, short of their own violence. Are guys like you so afraid? All it is is immaturity and cowardice. It takes a real man to stand up without resorting to physical violence. I hope you’re not a wife-beater too!

          • libertytrain

            Nobody “stomped” her – she was held down because no one knew what her further intentions were after she attempted to slam a sign into Mr. Paul’s open window attacking him.

          • Jana

            Plus Karolyn,
            William is on your side, he isn’t one of ours.

          • Karolyn

            Well, he may not have stomped her, but he put his foot on her neck. And, Jana, I don’t care who she is. What does that have to do with anything?

          • libertytrain

            Karolyn – who she is had apparently everything to do with her physical attack of Rand Paul. Most people don’t feel the need to physically attack people -

          • eyeswideopen

            Liberty and the rest.. are you people blind? The woman was shuttled to the rear of the truck prior to Rand getting out of truck. He then calmly walked away, while at the rear of truck she was thrown down on ground and had her head stomped on. They knew she was there prior to his arriving and she was holding a sign, not a gun. Right of free speech comes in here somewhere doesn’t it? The man stomped on her head. There were five men and two women surrounding her,.Yet they felt compelled to throw her down. I guess those men couldn’t hold her up right. If the security people didn’t think she was a threat, who in the hell are they, that they decided to physically detain her?? You radicals are just that…RADICAL. It would be up to the security detail to detain her, not the mob. You people try to justify bad actions, had it been a liberal group throwing a tea party member to ground you would be screaming like children. This action was not necessary and it is assult. Like it or not, even liberals have First Amend. rights.

          • libertytrain

            Eyes, I’m guessing you didn’t see the full video either, of her attacking Rand Paul through the passenger-side open window, where he was sitting, when he arrived – and yes, they did push her to the ground.

          • eddie47d

            Libertytrain; The passanger side window was up in the video so she was of no threat to Paul. The whole scene is called overreacting.

          • eddie47d

            I watched another video which shows his window was open. Although there was no threat or harm done Valle should have kept to the sideline. Rand Paul got out almost immediately so his associates or members of his team obviously didn’t see a threat either. That would still make Mr Proffits actions wrong.

          • libertytrain

            Eddie, Eddie Eddie – if the shoe was on the other foot, you’d be voicing opinions far louder than any of ours. She was wrong. She had been taken down. It was presumably safe for him to get out of the car at that point.

          • JeffH

            libertytrain, fast eddie would make a good court appointed attorney. He’d “stupid” them to death!

          • Angel Wannabe

            OMG JeffH, Your too funny!! :)

          • Jana

            Oh boy, Eyes comes on this site with a vengeance and an agenda.

            First off, eyes must be blind – - to the truth, oh well, she always is anyway.

            These people were volunteers, and the way they took her down is standard. No head stomping, no back stomping. The one guy put his foot on her and pushed, he will probably be charged for that.
            They knew she was there prior? Now she is a mind reader too. She now knows what these men knew.
            These men obviously were some kind of security, at least they acted like it as I will state again, the way they took her down is a standard way of taking someone down, put them on the ground, as she was struggling with them. The only one who is really the RADICAL is Eyes. Good grief, coming on here screaming like a child herself.

            A liberal breaking the law has no rights, no more than a Conservative breaking the law has any rights.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Jana, yeah EWO, has been here before, but haven’t heard from her in a while.__and she does have a liberal agenda._ I came on here a about a year ago, and man I was firing mad at Washington. I got it out of my system, I don’t normally attack the Liberals unless somebody, runs out of something intelligent to say and gets stupid with personal attacks, then I’ll fire off.___But man o man, People are fired up right now, it’s been a nasty campaign and it’s not over yet. I’ll be glad when it’s and we see what we have.

          • Jana

            ANgel,
            Me too. I am so ready for this to be over.

          • eddie47d

            No Angel, Jeff is not funny and his name calling is very predictable. He needs to go back to comedy school and get some new material.Maybe he should go back into the closet and find his purple panties. That ought to make him feel better instead of being a grumpy bitter old man.

          • JeffH

            Hey dummie eddiot! Here you go exposing your fetish for men in ladies garb. First a “black Dress” and “black high heels” and now “pink panties”? OK, whatever floats your boat….

        • Robert S

          Everyone was terrified. She must have worn a Pelosi mask.

      • eddie47d

        JC;Then why do so many of you claim to be Christian and then encourage the behavior of Tim Profitt? SC,Freedom Fighter,William and Martin;You are all disgusting.

        • Angel Wannabe

          don’t like it, then leave eddie47d!!

          • Angel Wannabe

            eddie47d, go away son ya bother me!!

          • Winnie

            AngelWannabe,I don’t mean to offend you, but if you wannabe an angel, you’re going about it the wrong way. But agree with you that he should go where he can agree to whatever.

          • Karolyn

            Angel – As a woman, how can you condone ridiculous violence like that against a woman or a man for that matter?

          • libertytrain

            Karolyn – as a “woman” how can you validate her actions in attacking Mr. Paul?

          • Angel Wannabe

            I don’t condone anything karolyn, if she was really involved in an unsolicited attacked, my first instincts would have been to get the hell up and pop some one a good one!__On the other hand, she was wearing a wig, stuck a sign in the window(a red flag for me)(which could have averted the police attention) while someone else used a gun!___ now if she was bald under neath that wig, I’d say it was the deal, but she wasn’t bald__In cases like that NO ONE KNOWs WHAT HER INTENTIONS WERE!–What the hell are ya suppose to stand there and let it happen__C’mon for gods sake, lets get over this. She was deemed a move on member!

          • Karolyn

            Liberty – I’m not validating her actions; there’s no way I could. However, she certainly does have the right to do it. I don’t think that guy thought she was going to attack Paul. He was just being a bully. And she’s a radical; and that’s what most liberal radicals do -Nonviolent actions.

          • libertytrain

            Karolyn, you apparently still have not taken the time to see the full video of what SHE DID prior to them wrestling her to the ground after she attacked Rand Paul through his open car window in the passenger seat where he was sitting.

          • eyeswideopen

            liberty, WHAT ATTACK AGAINST MR. RAND??? She didn’t even get close to him… watch the video,,,stop believing Fox news reports.

          • libertytrain

            Eyes, I watched the whole video. Attacking Mr. Rand while still in his car – search it out, it’s out there.

          • eddie47d

            Since you want to come after me Dear Angel then that is a good sign that you approve of Proffits behavior. Right and wrong are very clear at this rally so sorry to disappoint you. As Bill O’Reilly says “This is a no spin zone”.

        • Robert S

          Eddie you little Wuss. If all Americans were like you we would all be in detention camps by now.

          • eddie47d

            No,If all Americans were like you we’d all have bloody faces!

          • DaveH

            Eddie,
            Get real. The preponderance of evidence points in the direction of leftists initiating violence. That has been true throughout most of modern history. Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and Fidel to name a few.
            And there are many examples of leftist violence on youtube. Gotta love that website, where we can see the actual undeniable events.
            I’m not excusing the violence by right-wingers. But it has been my experience that left-wingers are much more prone to violence.

          • Angel Wannabe

            ROBERT S__lmao!

          • Karolyn

            I didn’t see her raise her hand to anybody. The behavior of the “boy” who attacked her is just that, a little boy hitting somebody he doesn’t like!

          • libertytrain

            Karolyn, then you did not watch the video that shows her actions prior to them wrestling her away from her target.

          • Karolyn

            I saw it. All those burly guys, and they had to put her down on the ground? The a-hole who put his foot on her would make a good Nazi!

          • libertytrain

            Karolyn – how can you say it was ok for her to attack Rand Paul, given all the assassinations and attempts at assassinations you have seen occur in your lifetime. Originally several times during this day I have said he was wrong as well. I have to rescind that statement because I had somehow forgotten what we have seen in the past with regards to assassinations. Is it because you don’t care for the person who was attacked. Some attacks on our person are ok if we don’t like the person, others are not ok, if we feel sympathy for the poor demented woman.

          • eyeswideopen

            Liberty, omg, are you serious, if she had been a threat, why wasn’t it the security detail who was manhandling her??? http://www.youtube.com/watch?V=SbnEy_U9pY&feature=player_embedded

            Either Rands security detail is lacking, or this is an example of a hateful mob. What would you think if this was your daughter??

          • libertytrain

            Eyes, OMG are you serious, your video doesn’t work so I’m not sure, yet, if you have found the one where she is attacking Mr. Paul in his car.

          • libertytrain

            Eyes, and about my daughters. One is a school principal for an incredible charter school for learning disabled children that she founded about 9 years ago and the other an Army Major – neither one of them are classless enough to put on a wig and attack a candidate of any party.

          • Michael J.

            Hello EWO,
            You are really out of the loop on this one. Lauren Valle is a convicted felon with an extensive history of ecoterrorism.

        • Angel Wannabe

          winnie__ my name implies_ I’d like to be an angel, I wasn’t born one and never will be one_-its a song I wrote and is somewhere in Nashville. Thanks

        • Robert S

          Eddie She should turn the other cheek. Who told you that Christians aren’t supposed to defend themselves?

          • Angel Wannabe

            Robert s, I’m a christian too, I’d never start anything, but I sure as hell will defend myself if need be!!

          • eddie47d

            She wasn’t doing anything to the person who attacked her. He overreacted and got caught. That part is fairly straight forward. Either it happened or it didn’t.

          • libertytrain

            Eddie, she wasn’t attacking the men or people that pulled her down, they were protecting Rand Paul, not knowing is she was armed or not. I think I would have stood on her till the police came myself -

          • eddie47d

            Libertytrain; Back in the spin zone again I see.You must see threats in your sleep. I guess that bully way back when must have done a number on you and you can’t get over it. Our jails are full of people who are falsely accused of doing allot of things. I know which side you would take in this case and the truth be damned.

          • libertytrain

            Oh Eddie, you are too funny — you’re right the woman was clearly a sainted postulant. A young hitherto novitiate on her way to smash her way to infamy. Oh her 15 minutes of fame – went askew by the power of video.

          • JeffH

            libertytrain, I finally figured out that fast eddie is blind as a bat and unfortunately they don’t make videos in braille.

          • libertytrain

            JeffH – to quote Eyes LMAO or ROFL

          • Angel Wannabe

            JeffH, Man o Man your on tonight!!!

          • eddie47d

            Angel,At least Jeff came up with something creative this time.I got a kick out of his latest.

          • JeffH

            fast eddiot, the truth shall set you free!

        • JC

          Oh come on eddie…you want to sling crap? Fine, it’s all you’ve got anyway. Thing is, you’re a socialist therefore a moron and not to be taken seriously on ANY level. You have no standing…None!

          • eddie47d

            JC; Another professional name caller and you are darn good at it. You might get a wee little bit of respect from some but only a thimble full from everyone else. So take your mudslinging fascist crap and go flush it down that hole you came out of.Your ugly diatribes are starting to stink up the place. You are one dishonest Soul but we are not sure if you have one of those either!

          • JC

            hahahha Ooooh Did I hit a nerve Commie boy?
            Get back in the basement and keep goose stepping around…at least there the only thing you can influence is flat feet! ;)

          • JeffH

            JC, it seems fast eddiot is more than testy these days. He’s become such a “potty” mouth.

            Eddiot, who is the “we” you keep mentioning and now I’d like to know who the “everyone else” is? Your Marxist buddies matbe?

      • Kate8

        Has anyone made REALLY sure that the guy wasn’t a plant, too?

        Sounds like a staged event to me.

        • Angel Wannabe

          kate8. at’s what I think, kate, the pait of them are probably laughing about it over lunch by now, with the money they earned for doing the stunt.

          • Angel Wannabe

            oops KATE, I meant THE PAIR OF THEM.

          • Jana

            I don’t think he was a plant, as I saw the video. It looked like a case of too much adrenalin and too little thought of what the right thing to do was. I don’t think she was slugged as someone seemed to suggest, just brought down. After all, she could have had a knife in her hand too and been ready to use it on Paul.
            She was definitely the aggressor here.

          • Karolyn

            Give me a break! Anything people with opposing views do has to be staged. Your side is so pure. Well, you can’t prove it by what you write here. I haven’t heard anybody on the left advocating gunplay, but I sure hear it here.

          • Jana

            Hey Karolyn,
            Was that you with a blonde wig on?

          • Angel Wannabe

            Jana, LMAO!!

          • Karolyn

            Jana – I wish I was that young and foolish!

          • Kate8

            Karolyn, I wouldn’t say our side is ‘pure’, but we are definitely better behaved than a crowd of liberals, where you can expect some kind of trashy behavior.

            It really is pretty much always the left who incides these spectacles. If the left didn’t show up to make trouble, there would’t be any.

            Say what you will, but for the most part, the left has no class at all.

          • Karolyn

            Kat – There you go again – generalizing. All of us, I don’t care what our views, have faults, character defects, whatever. You simply cannot tell me that one “side” has more faults than another. We are all human beings, and as such, are fallible.

          • Kate8

            Sorry, Karolyn, but I stand by what I said.

            Conservatives, in general, have far more civility and class than their liberal counterparts.

            You don’t see conservatives disrupting liberal rallys. You don’t see conservatives shouting down liberal speakers in colleges and other venues. You don’t see conservatives publicly calling for assinations, for liberal politicians and talk-show hosts to get aids or kidney failure…BTW, have you kept up with the trashy broads on the view? You people like to talk about hate speech. How about monitoring your own.

            I still maintain that conservatives conduct themselves with far more class and decorum than liberals across the board. Even your so-called elites are viscious and nasty.

            I’ve attended several local town-halls, and the liberals were the only ones who were in your face and rude. Libs operate from emotion all the way, care only about getting what they ‘deserve’ for free. Everyone else be damned.

          • libertytrain

            Kate – one easy one to remember was the Beck event in Washington a short time back – the grounds were left cleaner than they were when folks got there with hundreds of thousands of people and then that lib event a few weeks ago also in Washington DC – with a small amount of people and trash was left everywhere…and these are supposed to be the more “green” of us.

          • Robert S

            Is it possible that this was a rehearsal to test the security of Rand Paul. Maybe there was going to be an attempt later if things worked out.

        • DaveH

          That thought entered my mind too, Kate.
          If it wasn’t staged, I would still like to know more about the event. Was she getting in his face, persistently harassing him, or what? There are two sides to every conflict, and I have only heard superficial treatments of the event so far.
          For sure, the Conservatives need to be smarter and not let the weasels bait them into violence.

    • Donna

      It is amazing how many conservatives are battered and nothing is reported or done! Recently on you tube a large woman was hitting and yelling at a smaller woman (a journalist) that was videotaping at a Democrat function and nothing was done, the woman even returned to the woman with the camera and began hitting her and yelling at her again. The lady being pummeled did not retaliate. Bystanders watched, did nothing. Security or police saw it too, they did not arrest the aggressive woman. They made it appear like the lady with the camera had started it, she was just standing there and had been approached by the other woman! Stunning! You wouldnt hear about this in the news unless it was a liberal being attacked…. These are not isolated incidents. The media doesnt dare cover them.

      • Jana

        Donna,
        This was a very good point.

  • JeffH

    You’d almost think that if the Soros name keeps popping up behind every leftist liberal attempt to discredit those they oppose , like Williams/NPR and Valle/MoveOn.Org and progressive organization, which are to numerous to list, that the “progressives” might just realize that he’s not the man I’d like in my corner. Oh they scream about the Koch brothers and some Republican donar named Adleman, although I haven’t heard that one since she’s stayed away, but I just never here those names associated with the negative campaign adds or some radical Tea Party group spewing vial misinformation, racial epithets or physical violence. The Democrats and their progressive partners are the most deceitful, nasty and dishonest example of human flesh in America. That’s pretty low even considering the Republican Party isn’t to far behind.

    • William

      JeffH. cant argue with you on that,

    • Angel Wannabe

      It’s bad all around JeffH__just sad.

    • eddie47d

      Always bringing in Soros’s name every chance you get,right Jeffy.The Koch brothers and the Chamber of Commerce are more sly about it. A lot more under the table hanky panky with those folks. So if you are looking for transperancy you won’t find it in them. There money is spread out 20 ways from Sunday but their day will come and they will get caught.

      • JeffH

        Duh…blah, blah, blah!

  • Kinetic1

    Way to gloss over the point guys. What happened here would have been news no matter the party, and the news would have been about the unnecessary violence in a heated election cycle if not for two things; the reactions of Rand Paul and the volunteer, Tim Proffit.

    Let’s start with Mr. Paul. When asked about the events that took place outside of the debate, Mr. Paul responded “Well, we want everybody to be civil. We want this issue — the campaign to be about issues. I will tell you that when we arrived, there was enormous passion on both sides. It really was something where you walk into a daze of lights flashing, people yelling and screaming, bumping up. And there was a bit of a crowd control problem. And I — I don’t want anybody to be involved, though, in things that aren’t civil. I think this should always be about the issues, and is an unusual situation to have so many people so passionate on both sides, jockeying back and forth.

    And it wasn’t something that I liked or anybody liked about that situation. So I hope in the future it’s going to be better.”

    Good answer. Watch the video and you’ll see a typically hectic scene with supporters clamoring to get a closer look at the candidate, opposition holding up signs and making some noise and security making a path for Rand to get to the door. The only “jockeying back and forth” was verbal, with the exception of his supporters bouncing this women about like a rag doll. Why didn’t Rand say something about the level of force used by his team? Why didn’t he condemn the actions of this man? Well, I suppose he might not have had all the information at the time, and that is why his campaign released a statement later on.

    “We understand that there was an altercation outside of the debate between supporters of both sides and that is incredibly unfortunate. Violence of any kind has no place in our civil discourse and we urge supporters on all sides to be civil to one another as tensions rise heading toward this very important election.”

    An “altercation … between supporters of both sides”? Sure, I suppose when one person from one side is being dragged to the ground by 3 or 4 people from the other side it’s fair to say it involved “supporters of both sides”, sort of like a lynching involves two sides. They make it sound like she was wailing on them and they had to defend themselves! For god sakes, look at the video. She was covering her self and rolled into the fetal position for protection from these men. Then, once she is down Mr. Proffit puts a boot on her to help restrain her because he has a “bad back”. SHE’S NOT FIGHTING BACK! There was no need to help “restrain” her. And now this idiot wants HER to apologize to HIM for causing this trouble! Who does he think he is, Justice Thomas?

    That’s the story! That is why this got so much traction. Rand Paul doesn’t have the decency to own up to the fact that the violence came from his supporters and that one of them was REALLY out of line, and then that same idiot asks his victim for an apology. The sad truth is, this kind of reaction is nothing new for Paul. From this event to his stand on civil rights, he consistently tries to avoid responsibility. He’ll fit right in in Washington.

    • slickporsche

      This was clearly a plant and a stunt by the Democrats. They will stop at nothing including rigging the voting machines in their favor. You must be stupid to really get sucked into this democratically staged action. It looked like something cooked up in Hollywood.

      • Jilli

        Nice try, but trying to defend the indefensible only makes it worse.

        Politics aside, there is no conceivable reason in a civilized country for those men to throw the woman to the ground and stomp on her head. None.

        It’s nice to know that in tea bagger america beating women is an acceptable practice and that the applicaton of the first ammendment is selective. Your mothers, and Mr. Proffitts must be so proud. I have to laugh at the “real patriots” the staunch defenders of the constitution who so obviously don’t have the slightest clue of it’s content.

        • Angel Wannabe

          So jilli, why didn’t she grow a set and stand up swing back??_-Oh thats right, you folks o the left, sit and wait to be rescued, what was I thinkin?

          • Jana

            Jill,
            Your statement just shows that you do NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.
            She never got stomped on the face, she got pushed on her shoulder and it wasn’t a stomp. Obviously she wasn’t hurt as she is giving good interviews.
            I dare you to watch the video of the event to see SHE instigated it.
            http://video.foxnews.com/v/4390336/head-stomping-scuffle

            It is actually you that we are laughing at, you and your pathetic attitude.

        • Jeep

          To quote a famous hollywood pirate, “Sticks and stones, love…” Any sense of civility in your comment went out the window with the “tea bagger” epithet. Who’s the hypocrite now? If you want to play, you’ll have to pay. Otherwise, stay out of the game.

        • Michael J.

          Jilli,
          Ever heard of Lynette “Squeaky” Fromme? These people had every right to protect themselves and their candidate from this potential assassin.

          • Angel Wannabe

            MichealJ. Never heard of that one, guess I’ll google it and find out.

          • eddie47d

            Michael; Assassinations and intrigue oh my! Look up Bryon Williams and his right wing associates and his plans to kill several people for your cause. “Squeeky” is pushing 70 and probably is not dangerous anymore,but Bryon is.

    • probassist

      HORSEHOCKEY!! I suppose that the beatdowns of Republican party and Tea Party associates by the SEIU or the New Black Panthers carrying clubs at electioneering sites isnt worthy of mention. NO one condones this type of thuggish behavior but at least be man or woman enough to admit to a staged “event” possibility. I wouldn’t be surprised one iota if the miscreants involved in this ‘assault’ were not paid by Moveon.org to stage this whole attack for publicity. Has anyone investigated the possibility of Mr. Proffit being a plant in the Rand Paul camp?? I didn’t think so!!

      • eddie47d

        Mr Profitt has worked directly with Paul Rand so go and check out the pictures.I doubt if he was a plant and quite the opposite. Mr Profitt should be charged with assault and battery instead of demanding an apology from Ms Valle.What a twisted world some of you live in! It’s amazing that the New Black Panthers never harmed anyone at that polling place and some of you want to lynch them.You played the race card over and over again with that incident; yet when someone is stomped on and receives a concussion you turn a blind eye. Some of you even act like a gang of thugs surrounding the victum and yelling for more blood.

        • Jeep

          Talk about twisted, ed. You think 9/11 was a conspiracy concocted by the Bush administration. Surely you can expand your queer conspiracy theories to encompass one more vicious plot! Or, do your “theories” only extend to conservatives?

          • eddie47d

            Man are you stretching the conversation into outer space.Talk about duck and cover !

          • Jeep

            You’re pretty funny eddie…well, at least a little amusing. Are you ducking the question? Or, are you disavowing your accusations and wild theories? My point was simple, you dismiss the “theory” that this was a contrived event by liberal elements here, but you support even crazier theories as long as they support your agenda. Easy ’nuff to wrap your mind around?

          • JeffH

            Jeep, you’ve answered your questions to fast eddie by simply asking the questions.

          • Michael J.

            Eddie47d,
            To the contrary, Lauren Valle committed the assault with her unsolicited entering of Mr. Paul’s vehicle.
            Try to calm down and quit acting like a progressive dinosaur five days short of an asteroid strike.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Michael J, LMAO!!!!_:)

          • eddie47d

            Jeff; Always the A**hole. You’re like the bridesmaid who never catches the bouquet but you’ll jump in there anyway. Maybe those black shoes will go with the black dress you are wearing.

          • JeffH

            Oh my,fast eddie…such a potty mouth! You seem to have all of these weird visions of people…black dress? That even makes me sick..hey, but each to his own I guess. Weirdo!

          • eddie47d

            Not as weird as you’re continual slander.You want to play the eddieduh game.I’ll play the sicko Jeff game. Will it ever soak in with you?

          • JeffH

            fast eddiot, your visions of a man in a black dress aren’t as weird as someone that constantly exposes you for your lack of comprehension and penchant for stating mis-information and un-truths(fibs).

            Do you by any chance wear a pink dress on Sundays, or do you just dream about men in black dresses everyday?

          • Michael J.

            eddie47d,
            Diagnosis: Long term lac-a-nookie metamorphesized into phalic idolatry.
            Prognosis: Terminal

        • Jana

          eddie,
          I imagine he will be charged because what Profit did was over the top. Too much adrenalin and too little thinking on his part.

          On her part she started something that she could’nt physically handle. She was used to the pascifist do nothings surrounding her and didn’t take into account that there are those around that will not put up with this kind of nonsense.

          Do I condone what Profit did? NO
          Do I condone bringing her down. YOU BET!

          • Robert S

            It’s a case of simple assault. No jail time. He should ask for a jury trial because you can’t trust these judges to be fair.

        • eddie47d

          What theories Jeep?LAY IT OUT OR LAY DOWN YOUR RIDICULOUS RANTS.

          • Jeep

            dear eddie, how many times have referred to the ridiculous notion that Bush was responsible for 9-11? That’s just for starters…and, please, it is most unbecoming of you to shout so much. Check your blood pressure and take it easy…

          • JC

            Jeep, only time will tell who was really involved, but one thing is for sure, the official story doesn’t bear any amount of scrutiny.
            It’s absolute Bull!

        • Robert S

          Eddie Would you like to talk about Paul’s opponent Mr Conway. His brother is a drugrunner and was scheduled to have his house raided. The detectives warned them of the coming raid and they cleaned up. The detectives have now admitted warning them. If he wins the election he won’t be around long enough to finish his term. His brother already resigned his job as an Assistant DA in another county.

    • Angel Wannabe

      Hey Kinectic, aren’t you running a bit late to help SEIU Members set the voting machines to automatically vote for Reid?

      • eddie47d

        Aren’t you even a little embarrassed that Tea Party Candidate Joe Miller used other peoples computers to vote for another GOP candidate so his friend would be ahead in the polls.Maybe you ought to investigate voter fraud on the Right. They seem to be well versed in it. This has been proven and nothing has been proven in the Nevada case. Just another drive by lynching before the facts are out,right Angel!

        • Angel Wannabe

          eddie47d__Quite honestly I’m not embarassed about anything, never have been eddie__ I wasn’t aware anything took place_I’ll have to look into it_-thanks for the heads up though!

        • Jana

          eddie,
          Please explain what you are even talking about???

          • eddie47d

            Joe Miller’s shenanigans acouple of years ago vs. Angel’s accusations that the early voting mixup in Nevada was a Democrat plot.

        • (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

          Eddie, your in your mode again, only this time your going solo.

      • Kinetic1

        I see from another response that you are not embarrassed by anything. Doesn’t surprise me considering that you find it appropriate to accuse me of election tampering based on my response to an unreasonable show of force in an unrelated race. But don’t let your lack of self awareness concern you too much. Those of us with more than an ounce of compassion are embarrassed for you even if you’re not.

        • Angel Wannabe

          K, Thanks I appreciate your concern!!

        • Michael J.

          Kenetic1,
          Do you suppose Lauren Valle is embarrassed by her inappropriate criminal activities?
          As far as unaware goes, you guys are all like dinosuars five days before the asteroid hit.

          • Kinetic1

            Michael,
            Is she embarrassed? I don’t know. Her attempt to get herself and her sign in a clear shot with Rand Paul was certainly clumsy and worthy of some embarrassment. As to her actions being criminal, I doubt you have much of a case.

            My comment to Angel W was in direct response to her accusing me of being involved in and/or supporting election fraud. She herself told Eddie that she is “…not embarrassed about anything, never have been..” and I think she should be. If she, or you disagree with my assertion that Mr. Proffit was out of line, fine, state your position, but don’t accuse me of unassociated crimes. Stand up for what you believe and save the slander.

          • Angel Wannabe

            kinetic__Typical Liberal Making a Mountain out of a mole hill and blowing everything way our of proportion! _ SAVE THE DRAMA FOR the THEATERm it’s not wotking here!!

          • eddie47d

            Then Angel,don’t be such a drama queen. See ya later!

          • Angel Wannabe

            THANKS EDDIE47D__But I’m not the one who got their panties in a bunch_-it was kinectic!!!!

      • Robert S

        Even if Reid wind he’ll be out as speaker. The Republicans will hold a majority on Jan. 1

    • Bob Wire

      Kinetic1 ~ from your posting, I guess I seen as much of it as you did. Mr. Bad Back is in the wrong profession it seems.

      I would like to think Rand Paul has a say and makes some adjustments in Security. As action like this won’t go unanswered and a perfect opportunity to setup Mr. Bad Back for an accident in the confusion of a crowded moment.

      All People need to understand, if you plant corn, your grow corn.

    • Carol

      Why are you using a plural. It was one person only, so you should have said supporter without the added s. You’re no better than the MSM.

      • Kinetic1

        I believe that he is referring to the other volunteers who forced her to the ground. Even that action was questionable.

        • Jana

          Kinectic,
          No it wasn’t. They couldn’t tell if she had a knife or a gun in her hand too. She could have had a gun and shot at Paul, so they were doing what was right. She started something she couldn’t finish. Shame on her.

    • DaveH

      Kinetic,
      You only know what you read in your Liberal Media reports. You don’t know all that went into the event. None of us do.
      And to blame Ron Paul for the actions of a few of his supporters is like me blaming you for the violence of the G20 Protestors.
      Face it, Kinetic, you are a Liberal zealot, and your support for your Liberal cohorts means little to those of us who have open minds.

      • Kinetic1

        I did not blame Rand Paul for the actions of his volunteers, but for his failure to condemn their actions. I have heard the account from both sides and from several sources. Nothing I have heard excuses the actions taken by this group of men, especially Mr. Proffit, but I am ready to blame much of this on an adrenaline charged moment. I applaud the Paul campaign for firing Mr. Proffit, but that does not excuse their attempt to spread the blame by suggesting that there was violence committed by both sides.

        • DaveH

          Did you hear Obama condemn the SEIU workers for their attacks at the Town Hall meeting? Did you hear Obama condemn the New Black Panthers for their harrassment of voters?

          • Kinetic1

            Was the President in attendance at the town hall? I don’t expect Rand Paul to comment on everything that happens at every Tea Party Rally and I don’t expect the President to respond to everything that happens at Town Halls or fund raisers. Paul was there. These were HIS volunteers. Paul’s campaign identified Mr. Proffit as their “Bourbon County coordinator”. When the connection is that direct, some comment is called for.

          • libertytrain

            Kinetic, Bourbon County is a County in Kentucky. I see no joke.

          • Bleh

            Rand Paul should not condemn his supporters, he should thank them from potentially saving him from a potentially bad situation.
            He should council some of them not to step on people already subdued. Otherwise they will be feeding the trolls as we see here.

          • DaveH

            Whether Obama was in attendance or not has nothing to do with it. His administration in fact defended the Panther’s behavior.
            Face it, Kinetic, you are a zealot who will stick up for your people whether they are right or wrong.

          • Kinetic1

            libertytrain,
            Yes, I am aware that Bourbon county is legit and there was no joke intended. The quotations were there to place the title in the hands of the Paul campaign as opposed to something I made up. That was his title and it clearly reflects that he was more than just another volunteer.

        • Michael J.

          Kinetic1,
          Lauren Valle is a covicted felon with an extensive history of ecoterrorism.

          • Kinetic1

            Michael J,
            Honestly, she painted the side of a ship and hung a banner. Was it a felony to paint the side of a oil tanker? I guess it was. She was also arrested for felony Unauthorized Entry of a Critical Infrastructure and Unauthorized Entry of an Inhabited Dwelling. Were these violent acts? Did she pose a danger? Not that I can see.

            You use the term “Felon” as if it indicates a dangerous individual, yet you support the rights of anti abortion activists to commit the same types of offenses for their cause. What she has done in the past does not support your claim as to the threat she posed, but rather that she is not violent in her efforts to express her freedom of speech.

          • Michael J.

            Kenetic1,
            I fully expect to see charges of assault leveled against Lauren Valle, desciple of George Soros, graduate of Columbia “Communist” University.
            This limelight addicted professional activist has a long list of convictions, see for yourself.
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmaS5f1Ec50

    • Karolyn

      Just like “not seeing” supporters in fatigues carrying automatic weapons and pointing a revolver up at the sky as a show of rebellion at one of his rallies.

      • Michael J.

        Oh come on Karolyn, tell the truth. The last time you saw fatigues was when you and your anti war buddies protested a military parade.
        Why I bet you’re even Fonda Jane.

        • Karolyn

          Actually, it was at a gun rights rally, and when Paul was asked about the assault rifles in an interview, he said he never saw anybody with assault rifles. Maybe he got there late??
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4G5185jpOo&feature=related

          • JeffH

            Karolyn, why don’t you tell us what an “assault” rifle is and while you’re at it, tell us what the difference is between a revolver and a pistol. As for the video, it shows a peacefull, legal and constitutional rally of a legally formed militia.

            What that video shows is comparable to Pelosi, Reid, Biden and Obama parading around the country bashing the Tea Party, conservatives and the American citizens that don’t see things their way. The difference I see is at least the Colonel is honest about his intent unlike the bunch I just mentioned.

          • Karolyn

            The point I was making is that Mr. Paul denied them even being there.

          • JeffH

            Again I ask, what is your version of an assault rifle. Diane Feinstein couldn’t get it right so maybe you can. Also,please, a revolver and a pistol?

          • Karolyn

            OMG – A revolver has a barrel and a pistol has a clip? What the hell difference does it make. Guns are guns. And don’t say I’m anti-gun, because I’m not. I live in SC, and everybody has a gun. It’s just a fact of life, and I’ve gotten used to it. I just don’t like seeing armed men in fatigues standing in front of a public building with arms in hand like the war has begun.

          • JeffH

            Then don’t go there if you don’t lke it!

          • Average Joe

            Karolyn,
            I am just curious…what exactly is an “assault rifle”? I have several semi-automatic rifles ( some conventional and some military in style)….loaded and in my house…I have yet to see any of them jump out of the case and attempt to assault anyone….ever… Do you just use that phrase because it sounds cool?

            The weapon ( or for those of you who need small words) or “gun” has never assaulted anyone…..the purveyor of that weapon might have a different idea…In other words…it’s the person….not the weapon that you need to be worried about.
            For future reference,…There is no such thing as an assault rifle….There are single shot, bolt action, semi-automatic and full automatic rifles…but there are NO….I repeat….NO assault rifles…anywhere.

          • Average Joe

            BTW, All pistols are “handguns”. Pistols can be either semi-automatic Which usually has the bullets in a clip stored in the hangrip and ejects the shell casing out of the side (it is a closed firing chamber and can be silenced). A revolver has a cylinder that stores the bullets and turns with each shot that is fired to line up the next bullet in line (it is an open chamber firing weapon and cannot be silenced).There are also single shot pistols as well as Derringers and a multitude of other designs on the market.( some are open chambered and some are closed chamber).

  • William

    get off the koolaid kinetic,

    • jamie

      William to bad it wasn’t your wife or daughter being stomped in the FACE. Condemning violence of any kind especially against women is pitiful. You sound like the normal GOP wife beater. I guess thats what your daddy taught you? Or did you learn that compassionate move at your church? What a looser.

      • slickporsche

        HEy! are you blind in one eye and damn near there in the other???? If You watched the video, and you clearly did not, then you would have seen the foot on her shoulder, and it even looks like she is smiling. At no time did she have a foot on her head or even close.

        • jamie

          HEy slickpooch are you blind. Williams post said they should have stomped her face. Read his post.

          • Jana

            Jaimie,
            Williams is a leftist liberal. He is an instigator. He is not a conservative. He is on your side.

          • Angel Wannabe

            jana, damn these Libs are on fire today about this inceident,(Pretty typical of the Libs to try and take our minds off the election)__ whats funny about all the Liberal uproar over this incident, is this chick was deemed to be one of they’re own, from moveOn.org!

        • Kinetic1

          I’ve seen the video several times and, while Mr. Proffit’s foot starts out on her shoulder, it slides up to the base of her skull as her presses her down to the concrete. It matters little where the foot was placed, the effect was the same and he is still a first class jerk. As to her “smiling”, have you ever heard of a grimace? No, not the big purple milkshake drinking character from McDonalds, but a painful facial expression, not unlike a smile. You’ll see it on the face of many people in scenes of emotional pain and horror as well.

          • libertytrain

            Did anyone watch the part of the video before she was stopped and pinned down when she started shoving her large sign into Mr. Paul’s vehicle – looked like they were trying to stop her attacking Mr. Paul.

          • libertytrain

            As to grimace – I’m thinking she was smiling with dollar signs in her head as to whom she was going to get free money from when she sued.

          • eddie47d

            Oh,Please Mr Libertytrain do come up with more jaded claims. I’ve seen the video and it is clearly a stomping; so if that is the image you want of the Tea Party supporters then you are a fool.

          • 45caliber

            Kenetic:

            I’ve NOT seen the video. But if he had his foot on her shoulder and slid it up, then that isn’t a kick or a stomp. It is simply a way to insure she doesn’t get up again. The main reason I haven’t bothered to see this video is that I’m certain it only shows what the Dems feel was bad by the guards, not the “victim”.

            It reminds me of the Rodney King “beatings”. How come the jury – when they saw ALL of the video – kept finding the police innocent?

          • libertytrain

            Eddie – that’s Ms. please. I do think the fellow in question went above and beyond what needed to be done to protect Mr. Paul and should be reprimanded. However, the gal in question also went above and beyond, as well, in her attempts to attack, disrupt and behaved like a fool.

          • JeffH

            libertytrain, you must remember it was fast eddie who stepped up to the plate to defend Nazi Pelosi and her exorbitant in flight “slush fund”. Don’t expect anything rational.

          • DaveH

            Liberals call that a Stomping? What a bunch of limp-wristed losers. Sure, Profitt should not have given that push with his foot, but that is hardly a “Stomping”. Here is the actual video of the event. Listen to the calls for the police. It is obvious, the supporters felt the woman was a threat for some reason. Of course the knee-jerk Liberals want to make a Big Deal of the event, because they fear people like Rand Paul will dismantle their Big Government machinery:
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbnEy_U9pYk

          • eddie47d

            I never defended her Jeff! Just bring out the facts about all Western politicians and sort it out from there. Go amuse your self in the bathroom and flush you’re babble down the drain.

          • JeffH

            fast eddie, do you have a fetish with bathrooms because you do have a “potty” mouth!

          • eddie47d

            Jeff;That is truly the pot calling the kettle black. What is you’re fetish with the nazi’s. Sieg Heil, dufus!

          • JeffH

            Heh heh!

      • JKO

        Jamie,
        Violence against anyone is “pitiful”. It is statements like that that make me mad. I am a 53 year old woman and has lived all over this country. I started out as a liberal democrat. When I had kids I became a republican. This year I registered as a libertarian. I know hundreds of people and have had to intervene in several abuse cases (pastors’s wife) and abuse does not affiliate with any party. I have seen white sepremesists treat women like queens and the same can be said for very liberal men (lived in Portland OR quite a while). And the opposite can be said of both.
        If I were to write a stereotypical statement like you did I would be called a racist or bigot or some other name. It is no more typical of an abuser to be a dem or a rep. As for church’s, they are often the only place a person who is being abused (yes, men too) have to go get help – the only place they can afford. Whether the church handles it correctly or not can be questioned at times, but at least they try.
        Have you ever sat down with a woman that has been abused, looked her in the eye and told her that the person who did this should have the cops called on him? AND even after she has said no don’t you know you have to violate that trust and call anyway (especially if there are kids involved) because you happen to be a mandatory reporter?
        In my experience, when you confront a man – especially with 3-4 other men – and tell him to back off or else, he actually does.
        AND I have seen this with just as many who were dems as rep. In fact, these kinds of individuals are usually too wrapped up in themselves to even register.
        I do not begrudge your right to speak – just get the facts straight and don’t stereotype if you want respect for your opinion. And that is my opinion – in which I hopefully did not steroetype.

        • Angel Wannabe

          JKO, Agreed, was abused myself as a kid, problem was, I hit back!

        • 45caliber

          I agree. There was very little abuse where I grew up. If word got around that a man was beating his wife, he would be visited and warned that hitting a woman was the wrong thing to do. If he failed to heed the warning, he’d end up in the hospital … if he was lucky. I never heard of anyone who failed to heed after that point.

          • http://none Mike

            Yea as I have said once before. My father would come back from the grave just to drag me back withy him. If I had hit a woman Mike L.

        • DaveH

          JKO,
          My dad was very verbally abused. I should start with the fact that my Dad was an unusually hard-working man. Still, my mother wanted a slave more than a husband. The lifelong image of my father that I carry in my mind is of him leaning on his elbow with a cup of coffee and my mother going “nag,nag,nag,nag” at the poor guy. Once, I treated him with my frequent-flyer awards to a trip to visit his relatives in Nebraska. Mom wouldn’t come because she was deathly afraid of flying. We were gone about two weeks. When we got back, she told him there were some late bills that he needed to take to the post office. He said he wasn’t feeling very well, but she ignored that and started screaming at him for being “so lazy”. Never mind that she could have done the job days ago.
          He never struck my mother, but I wouldn’t have blamed him if he did. Verbal abuse takes its toll on the inside of the body, so it isn’t so obvious to outside observers. Personally, I think that rather than being violent, those victims of verbal (or physical) abuse should just part company with their abuser. But love has something to say about that course of action for most people.

        • Jana

          JKO,
          They couldn’t tell if she had a weapon on her either. There are a lot of kooks out there as we have seen one female kook in that video. Putting her on the ground did not hurt her, and in reality neither did Profits foot. He did not stomp, even though it was uncalled for. she was no longer resisting, and she was subdued.
          There is a large difference in being abused as a child or woman or man for that instance, from what happened to this woman. She caused it. She started something she shouldn’t have. If I would have been there I would have done the same thing to her. She was WRONG.

          • Jana

            Let me add, I would not have touched her with my foot but I would have tried to subdue her.

          • DaveH

            Don’t forget the violence that she committed shoving her sign into one of the entourage vehicles. She could have easily caused harm to one of the occupants with that action.

          • Jana

            She was plainly there to cause trouble. Well, she got more than she bargained for, and I say good for those guys to take her down, ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE GROUND. Thats where she belonged for acting so inappropriately.

      • JC

        Jamie, you just wished a violent act onto William’s wife yet claim some kind of moral high ground? You people are truly a bunch of
        Schizophrenic self serving morons…good Lord but we need to get rid of all of you…at least from having any influence over anything but your pathetic selves.
        And NO, violence against woman or children is not ok…in fact it’s a shooting offense in my house.

        • 45caliber

          Again, I agree with you. I never hit my wife of 40 years – even though I threaned to spank her once. And my boys have been taught the same thing. They also know that if they did hit a woman, they would have me to contend with – and they know what would happen then!

          • Angel Wannabe

            45, the old man and been together 38 years married 35, neither one of us ever got violent,well I lie__ except one night he ticced me off and I threw a pot roast at him, I missed of course but ended up picking it up, washed it off, cooking it, and we laughed about over dinner!__lol

        • Angel Wannabe

          Amen JC, AMEN!!

        • eddie47d

          JC: Jamie never said anything like that -quite the opposite.You like to play “storytime” in almost all you’re comments. Stop acting like you are the middle school bully.

          • Jeep

            eddie, silly little man! What part of this did you NOT understand, “William to (sic) bad it wasn’t your wife or daughter being stomped in the FACE. Condemning violence of any kind especially against women is pitiful. You sound like the normal GOP wife beater..?”

            Let me break it down for you:
            “to (sic) bad it wasn’t your wife or daughter being stomped…” In other words, I wish it was your wife or daughter.

            “Condemning violence of any kind especially against women is pitiful.” In other words, condemning violence, especially against women, is pitiful. So, Jamie is advocating violence, especially against women. Talk about pitiful…

            “You sound like the normal GOP wife beater.” And, speaking of hate speech…So, all wife beaters are Republican, or are all Republican’s wife beaters. Either way…

            eddie, try to think first, it’s sometimes helpful.

          • DaveH

            Eddie,
            Your incoherent comments lead me to believe that you have a problem with substance abuse. I don’t know how else you could come to such irrational thoughts.

          • eddie47d

            Dave; Get off the bong for you have become bonkers! William said’”She (Valle) needs to be stomped in the face”. What part of that don’t you understand. Jamie responded by saying “How would you like it if that was your wife and daughter”. I don’t do drugs Dave but I can read. Jaime condemned his words so whose side are you on anyway?

          • JC

            The exact quote…thought you said you could read…moron!

            jamie says:
            October 28, 2010 at 9:41 am
            William to bad it wasn’t your wife or daughter being stomped in the FACE.

  • Soldier

    People are livid. People are angry. I myself can FEEL my blood pressure go up in my arteries every time I read this website and such sites as infowars.com (thats a good thing as I know you guys tell the truth or try to as much as possible). There are times where I am actually afraid to go to these sites because I know they will present the cold, bitter truth no matter how awful that truth may be. I don’t want to grow my own food or eat worms and rats in order to live free. I would love to continue going to resturaunts. But, the cold hard truth suggests that America will soon no longer be the land of plenty. That America will soon face starvation…

    As an agnostic, I don’t know if there is a God or not. I feel that humans thinking they understand God and the afterlife (if it exists) is akin to feces throwing apes trying to understand a nuclear reactor. However, I personally hope their is a God, so these elitist bastards will face justice for their crimes against entire countries. For their crimes with their insidious chem trails, fluoride in the water supply, and false flag terror.

    • Jana

      Soldier,
      You sound like a man full of fear.
      When you know the truth, know what is coming and can be prepared, it should make you feel better.
      Yes, there is a God. When you know Him, then you will feel even better. I do hope you find Him.

    • Angel Wannabe

      I hear ya soldier, just stock up some food & necessities__Every country on earth goes through times of peace and prosperity, feast or famine. We don’t know where we’re headed.
      __God does exist!__A lot of people, just don’t like the idea of believing in a God they can’t see. That’s where faith comes in. I’m a christian, just not a perfect one to world, through Christ I am Lily white. If ya feel like it sometime, pick up a bible and see what God has to say__Good Speed on your Journey!

  • slickporsche

    Mr.Soros if you are reading this you lousy stinking piece of sh-t,I sincerely hope there is an assasins bullet looking for you.

    • Angel Wannabe

      Man o Man slick, haven’t you heard, wishing bad on some one else, usually comes back on you!__I’d weigh my words carefully slick,I know your p*ssed off like the rest of us, but, relax a lil’, just a friendly suggestion!?

      • libertytrain

        Angel -Have to agree with you there – he does need to temper his comments some because it makes him look bad and then we look bad or he is paid by the opposition to make these comments. I don’t know.

        • Angel Wannabe

          libertytrain, Yeah I’m not sure, slick reverts to wanting raise a gun when somethings not going his way_I often wondered if hes not a liberal poser, tryin to stir stuff up__ and why I usually don’t post back to him, unless I feel like playin a lil’__lol?!

          • independant thinker

            I have often thought that myself.

        • DaveH

          Still, considering the fact that the Politics supported by George Soros almost always result in mass killings, I wouldn’t shed any tears if it did happen to him. Socialism by necessity involves force because the slave class (us) would never voluntarily support their ideas. Aggressive Forceful people make me sick. Liberals, therefore, make me sick.

      • Bob Wire

        Thanks Angel, ~ for offering resistance to crazy thinking. ~ That makes three times that I know of slick has spoke in such fashion.

        As a man of age and rich history, having sit before a jury trial defending my rights. Such statement as these are not what you want documented and floating around.

        SickSlick, put a sock in it, for your own good if for no other reason but self preservation.

  • jopa

    Sickpooch;Be careful what you wish for there are alot of wife beaters and nazis on these pages that go by the names of Jeff, William,sc,Freedom Loser and so on.If anyone is interested Tim Profitt lives in Paris Kentucky, small town easy to find if you want to wish him well.

    • slickporsche

      (offensive comment removed)

    • JC

      A typically Liberal non-statement. You have no proof, no grounds at all to make that allegation…but then the whole liberal mind set is all about diversion, distraction and childishness…what a pathetic bunch of flea bags you nasty little sycophants really are.

      • Bob Wire

        “Paris Kentucky” hmm? A “nasty gram” would be the best thing.

        • DaveH

          Watch the video, Bob. I posted a link in an above comment.

          • DaveH

            We had a much more violent event occur at the hands of a policeman against a terrified black lady near me. And after the cop broke her window, then broke her arm dragging her out of the car, the authorities accused her of resisting arrest, and he wanted an apology from her. All because she wouldn’t pull over on a dark lonely road for what she thought might be a red-light bandit.

          • JC

            Woman have the right to continue to a well lit and public area before stopping for (even) the Police. The actions of that Policeman are more akin to a “Police State”.

    • Jeep

      Nice…should we forward your veiled threat to Mr. Profitt to the appropriate authorities, or were you really wishing him well? Interesting how the liberal mind works; we all agree that violence is not acceptable, but you guys only get angry when it happens to other libs. Sheeesh…

      • Bob Wire

        Well Jeep , at least it works. Which is more then might be said for some.

        I’m amazed how a select “few” self proclaimed “conservative” want to put everyone that don’t agree with them in just one box marked “liberal”

        I’m left to believe they must not get out much and really don’t know what going on in the world today except via Television.

        • Jeep

          I take it from your response, bob that “threatening” is okay, because “it works”?

        • DaveH

          If you advocate Big Government, Bob, you are a Liberal, regardless of your Party affiliation.

          • Bob Wire

            Jeep says;”Interesting how the liberal mind works; ”

            I was responding to that statement and nothing more. I too, ~ JEEP become annoyed with you casual use of the term “liberal”

            So if you don’t enjoy hearing “Bagger” make some adjustments. I assure you, my skin is a lot thicker then yours. I pull most of my punches here, don’t make me reconsider or make exceptions in your case.

          • Jeep

            Bob, your playground behaviour is really astonishing. I seem to recall from one of your posts that you claim to be older, well maybe in age…

            Thick skinned? I’m just pointing out that name calling from either side is wrong. Allow me to translate into liberal speak; it is wrong to call liberals names, and since conervatives are not people, let it fly! Liberals will applaud your efforts!

            And, don’t even try to threaten me, Bob. I am not intimidated by your childish prank. And, I would go as far as to say that hiding behind a computer screen always makes it easy for libs to say things they would never say face to face.

            So, bring it on big boy. Unlike you and your ilk I have the ability to separate fact from fiction, and have no problem putting desparate and silly people like you on ignore.

          • Average Joe

            Jeep says:
            October 28, 2010 at 4:03 pm

            While Bob attempts to baffle us with BS, I say we kill him with kindness. Always thank him for his input, tell him you’ll look into it and then return to reality….Thanks Bob, I’ll look into that right away!

    • libertytrain

      Jopa sounds like you and slick are peers in this battle to see who can be the most uncouth -

    • JeffH

      jopa, thanks for the complimant. Considering I’ve never been married nor ever raised a hand against women and despise the Nazi’s I’d say your little liberal pea for a brain needs some fresh water so it can grow.

      • DaveH

        Besides that, the Nazis were a Socialist group. The National Socialist German Workers’ Party.

        • JeffH

          Thanks Dave…I guess that insures my innocence from all charges.

    • 45caliber

      jopa:

      I really think you should get off this thread after that act!! I think it is one of the worst things you can do to tell every idiot in the world where someone lives that you are annoyed at. It is asking for an act of violence, no matter how you might protest. It shows that you want this man and his family to be harmed and you don’t care how as long as YOU don’t get punished for it. That is the act of a coward. Go away.

  • Cliffystones

    Freedom Fighter, William,

    While I despise all that she was protesting for, why don’t we reserve the beatings and the firing squad for Ayers, Soros, Pelosi, Reid and all the rest of those commies who are old enough to know better.

    This girl was just another post-pubescent, useful idiot that these folks conned into helping them. Hell, I remember a time over 30 years ago when I actually believed that Jesse Jackson had a conscience!

    I’ve heard it said that a “Liberal” was the definition of a conservative who hadn’t been mugged yet. I say educate her and lead by example. There’s a good chance that she’ll have her “mugging day”, and the real light of common sense will come on in her skull.

    Kinetic1,

    What the guy did was just plain wrong. I didn’t see any need to “restrain” her in the manner those folks did, unless they sincerely thought she had a weapon. But the video also shows that he didn’t “stomp” her as some have accused him of doing. It was more of a “firm placement”. This still doesn’t make it acceptable, but exaggerating the truth on either side is so damned immature anymore, especially when the evidence clearly shows a different story.

    And Rand Paul, or for that matter anyone in their right mind, is going to choose their words carefully. Why give more ammo to the ambulance chasers?

    • Kinetic1

      Cliffystones,
      You will note that I refrained from characterizing his action as a “stomp”. I’m not blinded by partisanship, just furious at what people will try to excuse in the name of politics. Bad enough that a group of over zealous goons treats anyone, man or woman the way these men did, but to see people coming to their defense or claiming that it was all an act! Go ahead, all of you who are so angry at this administration just turn a blind eye to the hatred and violence. Call for firing squads and assassins. It’s not like this type of thing has ever lead to anything worse.

      • Jeep

        Kinetic, just like your side, we have a few vocal individuals that will cross the line. And, they should be called out on it. Either way, violence of this sort is wrong. But, I think that the right is finally feeling like it has to “push back”. The general consensus on the right is that when the left does “it”, there is no media or public outcry, in fact it gets buried. But, that the right gets falsely accused, and when it IS wrong gets lambasted mercilessly. Right or wrong, I think that is the general perception.

      • DaveH

        See the video again, Kinetic. It is clear there was nothing being attempted other than restraining the lady. But Profitt was wrong for putting his foot on her shoulder. That was not necessary. People make mistakes in stressful situations.
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbnEy_U9pYk
        Where did the left get that “head-stomping” from? It is crap like that which results in leftists having no credibility.
        And if you’re “just furious at what people will try to excuse in the name of politics”, how about being a little more furious about “Who people will try to accuse in the name of politics”? Like you have done, for instance, when you blame Rand Paul for the event. Especially given the fact that other Rand Paul supporters were saying to Profitt “No, No, No, come on!”.

        • Kinetic1

          DaveH,
          Read my words again. I never blamed Rand Paul for what happened. I never suggested that he directed the violence towards this women. I didn’t even say that he condoned what Mr. Proffit did. All I said is that he failed to recognize and condemn the actions of his “Bourbon County coordinator”. Rand Paul had an opportunity to make a statement condemning the unnecessary violence that occurred outside the debate, but instead he and his campaign tried to diffuse the negative attention they were suffering by suggesting that there was violence on both sides. It was like listening to a rape trial from the ’60s.

          I hate to see this sort of thing happen, but when they act that way they’re just asking for it!

          • libertytrain

            I hate to see folks act that way as well – so why did the woman attack Rand Paul?

          • DaveH

            Did you see the part of the Video where she was shoving her sign into one of the entourage cars, Kinetic? Why aren’t you condemning her for doing that? That’s a rhetorical question as I know that you condone any actions that come from your kind.

          • Kinetic1

            I have only just seen the part of the video that shows her stunt, and I wouldn’t condone an attack on Mr. Paul or any other candidate, but I did not see this as an attack. Her goal was to get her sign and her face into a shot with Mr. Paul. If you watch how the sign flips it seems clear that she failed to wait until the vehicle had stopped. I don’t believe she meant to hurt Mr Paul, but it was clear that she had not thought this through. It was a dumb stunt and bound to cause some trouble. I believe her actions did, indeed give cause to remove her from the area around the vehicle, but Mr. Proffit’s response was still very out of line and cause for Mr. Paul to condemn his actions.

        • eddie47d

          Dave: She went to the hospital with a head concussion shortly after this took place. So how do you get a head injury without hitting the head? It’s like a soldier in battle who is severely wounded but doesn’t realize it until minutes later.

          • JeffH

            fast eddiot, she got what she deserved and nothing more. She’s the guilty party here by posing a threat to Rand Paul!

          • eddie47d

            Not a chance Jeffy POOH.

          • JC

            Good response eddie, articulate, well rounded, thought provoking and not the least bit juvenile. Well done as usual.

  • Angel Wannabe

    “impending Election Day which may well send Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) to smaller digs,”__yeah like flying off on her broom, back to her castle, from whence she came!_ Pelosi green with envy, would had been a great stand in for Margret Hamilton, as the Wicked Witch of West in the Wizard of Oz!_”I’ll get you my pretty and your little dog too!”__They make fun of Minority House speaker Boehner’s tan, I’ll take that as opposed to Pelosi’s witchery any day!

    • jamie

      Angel its easy to make fun of Boehner. A chain smoking spray on tan wearing idoit whose been there forever. How come the TEA Pary didn’t get rid of him?? He’s as much a part of the problem as anyone in Washington. But they backed him along with McSaim and that other idoit for Minnesota Backman. The poll say that the GOP is going to re-elect 50% of the GOP congress if not more. I thought you people wanted to take these old timers out of the game. I guess all you really want to do is go back to 2007 and 2008. Good time indeed…what a crock.

      • slickporsche

        No Jamie, its called one thing at a time. First the Dems get to go, and then the Republicans will be taken over by the people for the people and the slithering career politicians will be done. A new and American Party is being born. It should be called the Phoenix!

        • jamie

          YOu wish slick. And i wish to. I’d love to see both partys go down. But the TEA people are just Republicans in sheeps clothing. They’ll do the same thing as the other republicans once they get there.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Jamie, your just ticced off because, b/c some newbies maybe threatening to take the place of your Progressive idiots in White House, you just keep fighting girlie right up til the last votes counted!!)__we all will!__Hey Look at it this way, if the progressives are losing big time they can always cheat, like they started to do in Nevada and Ohio I believe!!!

          • Bob Wire

            I’ve wonder that about “Boehner” as well.

            I’ve come to view Boehner as a very astute political animal. Crafty gent, like a cat, knows where his tails at at all times. A GOP loyalist through the thick and thin of it with heavy connections with “Special Interest”

            He’s enjoying a nice life and will do whatever it takes to defend it.

            Old Scotch and young women make a hard argument. He’s not difficult to understand at all.

            Like me ~ he just wants “IN”

          • 45caliber

            Actually the Tea Party are conservatives. The Republicans are basically Dems in sheep’s clothing. It just happens that they are between the conservatives and the Dems. And conservatives have little use for all the grand ideas of sharing the money they make with people who refuse to work, of paying for someone else’s sex change operation or face lift, etc. And we’ve gotten tired enough of the liberals trying to do that so we’re trying to change it.

      • Angel Wannabe

        You got a better idea jamie?__hum?

      • Angel Wannabe

        I beleive your on the wrong site jamie, the Huff ‘n’ puff called they’re looking for they’re office idiot, I’ll tellem your here!

        • Bob Wire

          I’ve been there ~ it’s boring! I have more fun with you guys!

          • Jeep

            Hey Angel, apparently you got the wrong guy, Bob says he was the office idiot. Apparently, he didn’t like it though…

          • 45caliber

            Bob:

            You are right, it is boring there. That’s because they only repeat over and over how wonderful it is in the liberal ranks. They can’t conceive of much else.

          • DaveH

            Fun, or are you here trying to learn reality, Bob, instead of the Hopes and Dreams that the left peddles?

        • Angel Wannabe

          jeep__snickering!! :)

          • Bob Wire

            sure! there is a problem with hearing both sides and factoring in everyone’s views?

            Maybe you should consider it sometimes.

            But I enjoy it here at the Jerry Springer show of political discords, as I wish to understand where all these many ideas and attitudes originate from. It helps me understand your point of view and to develop some appreciations for them.

            You should know I love you and wish to take the battle of ideas to task, if I must come to you for help.

          • Angel Wannabe

            I do what I want Bob, thanks though.

          • Karolyn

            Bob – Just love the Jerry Springer inference.

          • DaveH

            Funny, Karolyn, because I’d be willing to bet money that most of the Jerry Springer participants vote for Democrats.

          • Karolyn

            And I’m pretty sure they don’t vote at all!

      • Angel Wannabe

        Hey Jamie___ No I don’t want to go back to 2007-2008 b/c the Dems were in the Majority of both House and the Senate__The Presidents just a figurehead with veto power doll, its the congress and the financiers that call the shots!!!___1 LOVE___YOUR SERVE DEARY!!

        • jamie

          Angel your right the congress controls the budget. So we had a GOP congress from 1994 until they we’re kick out in 2006 for all there corruption. The carnage that followed in 2007 and 2008 was completely driven by the GOP. I guess its the Dems fault George Bush stated a war we couldn’t pay for while giving himself and Dick I’m to busy to defend my country Cheney a huge tax cut. You act like the GOP is the savior. There the devil. What good come from the Bush tax cuts? You people complain that the stimulus didn’t create any jobs. Well it created more jobs than the Bush tax cuts.

          • Angel Wannabe

            JAMIE, Even if Bush had any ideas back to change things, he never got anywhere with the dems in congress!!__the dems were bullheaded headed then, like the repubs are now_-so whats your point? :)

          • jamie

            The Repub were in control Angel…thats the point. He could have done anything he wanted to do…and he did…allow 9/11 so he could go to war with Iraq…tax cuts for him and his rich buddies. As far as he’s concerned his presidency went great…now it sucked for the rest of us…but who cares about the little people?? Certainly not the GOP.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Oh yeah jamie, things are just hopping since The Messiah and Thief took over too__sheesh!

          • DaveH

            I’ve got news for you, Jamie, the Democrat leaders don’t care about the little people. They are just using you for your votes. If they cared about the little people they wouldn’t be trying to turn our country into a third world nation.
            And caring for somebody, Jamie, is when you use your own money and property to help them. Otherwise, don’t sugarcoat it, it is just plain theft.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Jamie let me get this straight___It was the carnage of 2006 when the GOP controlled the House and the Senate, that caused all the problems in 2007-2008 when the Dems took control of the House__Well Then the world according to jamie, the Democrat would never be accused of any wrong doing!_-Example: YOUR STILL BLAMING BUSH AFTER TWO YEARS!?__AND __BTW, WOULD YOU MIND TELLING ME, WHEN ITS APPROPIATE & BECOMES ACCEPTABLE TO HOLD THE CURRENT ADMINSTRATION ACCOUNTABLE, ACCORDING TO YOU???

      • Jeep

        Wassa matter jamie? Are you scared that the era of “freebies” might be over?

        • jamie

          Jeep what freebie is that?? I don’t need a freebie Jeep i’ve got a JOB and have had it for 16 years. I’ve been working on the books since i was 14. I wasn’t born into money like you. I don’t have an inheritance to live off of. What i’m looking for is a level playing field. What i’m looking for is for you GOP people to take responsibility for what your party has done to this country. Stop blaming everything on the fire department Jeep. There just trying to put out the 4 alarm fire your PARTY started. Only a looser like you could defend a party that caused us to loose 8 million jobs in 2 years. Are you scared you might have to pay your fair share Jeep?

          • Angel Wannabe

            jamie__hey hows about your Maxist in chief, job losses since hes been in offce__say 3 million jobs??___Hows ’bout HCR which 60% of us DIDN’T WANT ANYWAY AND and they shoved it up our giggy anyway??_-theres also a rumor going round that theres something about Obama’s army is supposed to be in the health care bill too__HMM__you need to do some fact checkin’sister!!!

          • jamie

            So Angel what your saying is that the President should be able to stop job looses that we’re in the works before he even took office?? Under that senario i guess you blame the 9/11 attacks on George Bush?? He was in office. How many jobs have been lost in the last 9 months? If you think things are bad now you have a short memory. At least Obama WON his election. He didn’t have to have the supreme court give him the office. 60% don’t want Health Care Reform?? What do you pay a year for insurance? Do you have any kids? What if the insurance company declined to insure your kids? Would that be OK with you? What if you got hurt and found out the company that you paid for years had decided to drop your coverage? Of course you don’t want HCR you still have health care. Ask the people who can’t get it or can’t afford it anymore because its went up 300% in the last ten years.

          • Jeep

            Silly little uninformed Jamie, to answer your points would be a waste of time. Your “fire department” sucks though. You should tell them that pouring gas on a fire will not put it out. If you’re so concerned about the debt, then stop spending (more than all other previous administrations combined in under two years, wow!) And, how unAmerican can you be anyway? Pay my fair share? Sounds like socialist dogma to me. I’ll pay for the items specified in the Constitution, but not for govt bailouts, health care, etc. You know, the crap that this administration is driving up the debt with. Level playing field? You don’t want that, you want “level” results. Sorry, that’s just not American. I believe in free market forces, not in Keynesian economics. For someone who claims to have worked for 16 years doing anything, I would think you would understand this.

          • Angel Wannabe

            jamie, living in America, isn’t free doll, we did without insurance for years, we had it for only our kids. BTW, My kids are 28-30!__ It’s only been the last ten years we had insurance and, guess what, we survived!!!___As far as company’s going outta business, and takin your 35 years of service and tossing it in the waste can along with your benefits, been there did that with my Dad, we managed, he died 7 years ago!__These companies I believe use to pay benefits to folks as a thank you for they’re services. BUT Government Tax and regulation and the EPA has driven off industry and manufacturing off shore__the desent companies can hardly pay for retirees any more and the unions have killed it too__Thats why your cars are so expensive to buy!!___Hard times come and go it’s the way of things, you get through them the best as you can!___Your not owed NOTHING here doll, you born, you live and you die__ pick up your cross and walk til then, nobody owes you anything. Ya wanna eat, ya work for it, ya want nice things ya work more. God says there will always be the poor amoung us__If someone needs help my husband and I help where we can!__Sounds like You’ve lost your surviorship mentality__If the economy all goes down, your in for trouble girlie!_cuz the Government ain’t gonna help ya!-I got stuff to do__I’ll return later!

          • Jeep

            Jamie, in answer to your response to Angel, yeah…60% opposed. Period. So, in your mind it is justified, since you decided to have kids and live your particular lifestyle, the rest of us should subsidize your choices. This is where we will always disagree. I believe that whatever your situation is it is because of your life choices, and to make others pick up the tab for your decisions is, well…just wrong. I will say that in some extreme circumstances the govt has some role in providing relief. But, to say that it is my “duty” to look out for you is wrong. Where is that in the Constitution? Please, tell me.

          • jamie

            Thats were we differ Jeep. I have health care. My kid is fine. My life style is fine. I live with in my means. Caring about someone other than yourself is not something your going to do. I don’t do it because i need it or use it. I see other people who get run over by the insurance companies and think thats wrong. You think its just business. The people in the gulf that got hit with Katerina and lost everything because the companies canceled them is wrong. Do you go to church and tell the people of the congragation thats been layoff that its there fault or do you try to help them. I’m sure you just like the rest of the GOP just think they deserve it and moce on. Your compassion over whelms me you selfish selfish MAN.

          • Angel Wannabe

            We do care about others jamie, its the fact that the Government wants to me how much to hand out(not to charity) to those who who don’t work!!!, it’s my freakin business who I help, nobody tells me!!

          • 45caliber

            jamie:

            I do care about other people … but can you tell me why I should care about some lazy character who feels that I should take care of him while he plays? I had a cousin tell me one time, “You are a fool to work instead of drawing welfare! You have to do what your boss tells you five days a week and only can do what you want on the weekend. I can go fishing whenever I want and you have to pay for it!”

            Are you like that? Do you give your own money – of your free will – so that someone else, one you don’t even know, doesn’t have to go to a job every day to earn his food? From one of your notes, you don’t. I believe you said that you need your money. Well, I need mine too. But you seem to be saying that it’s okay for you to keep yours but I should be happy to give mine to someone else instead of using it to take care of my family.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Well said 45_nicely done!! :)

          • DaveH

            8 million jobs in two years? What two years were those, Jamie? You don’t mean the two years in which the Democrats controlled the Congress, do you?

          • DaveH

            And Jamie, don’t kid yourself. If you had compassion for people you wouldn’t be stealing money from people whom you have no idea how hard they worked to earn their money. It is not “compassion”, Jamie, when you use other peoples’ money. It is “theft”. Don’t try to take the moral high ground here, because you aren’t.

          • Jeep

            JeffH, thanks, and spot on, as usual. It is a fact that our liberal friends historically contribute less of thier own money (I guess it’s just easier to give other people’s money.)

            - Bush carried 24 of 25 states where giving was highest

            - Conservative families contributed 30% more than liberals last year (although Con fams earn about 6% less on average)

            and, the beat goes on…

        • jamie

          Jeep so what your saying is you don’t want to answer the questions? They make the GOP look like what they are and you can’t defend that. Does your fair share include the military? Does your fair share include highways and bridges? Does your fair share include education? What about police and fire departmants?? Had Bush not left Obama in such bad shape we wouldn’t have had to spend so much money to try and keep our country from collapsing. It cost a lot of money to pay unemployment to the 8 million people George Bush put out of a JOB. It cost money to rebuild the military. The tooth fairy isn’t going to pay for it Jeep.

          • Jeep

            Jamie, you are soooo wrong, on sooo many levels. I do not have to defend myself to you, but you would have me defend myself to the govt through forced redistribution. I was very clear that I am gladly paying my fair share for the military and roads. And, giving to the nation? How about three Purple Hearts, nimrod? I think I have a little bit to say when it comes to “giving”.

            Again, here’s the difference, you have assumed that I do not take care of my neighbor (as well as assume the GOP is heartless), I made no assumptions about you and your giving. In a free society that is a choice to help, or not. You prefer a society of forced labor to support others. I believe in a collection of free peoples who have agreed to follow limited principles (i.e. our Constitution).

            Wanna talk Katrina? Sure, I spent some time patrolling the streets as a soldier, and then returned a few months later as a volunteer to help rebuild houses. So, really you wanna talk about who gives what? The important thing is not my service, but the proper role that was played in each. It was govt’s responsibility to secure and support the people during this catastrophie, and it was the American people that helped to rebuild lives.

            If you want cradle to grave with no suprizes, move to europe, if you want the chance for great success, then stay here.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Yeah Jeep, tell’em_ and thanks for your service!_-My Dad and three brothers all served in the infantry WWII, my Dad was Medic, Okinawa.__ they are all turning over in they’re graves, I’m glad they’re not seeing the America they fought for now!

          • Angel Wannabe

            Jamie how come ya didn’t answer 45?

          • JeffH

            Jeep, I have always noticed that it is some crony liberal that always think they are the only ones to give or pay their fair share, whether to government or charity. It always “what did you do to help”.
            Most of us don’t care what somebody else does or doesn’t do but the prying liberals must always try to stick their collective noses where they don’t belong…it just reminds me of government intrusion.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Jamie I don’t mind paying for education as long as I got a say in what they are teaching my kids, and I did. I made it my business to know. The history today has been revised, and in no way in hell would I stand for one of my Grand kids now, to be taught about homsexuality!!!__NOw, Military needs money no problem, Fire departments need money, no problem, police no problem, roads and bridges, not a problem.__But you start taking my money and assets I worked for, and handing it out to someone else without my permission, you and me are gonna have a problem. I’ll decide where I’m charitble!

          • DaveH

            Jamie,
            You are so Ignorant. Typical Liberal. Congress was controlled by Democrats in Bush’s last two years. When did the economy collapse? Duh!

          • Angel Wannabe

            DaveH, I said the same thing, but it didn’t compute!!

      • 45caliber

        You want us to take out the old timers in Washington? Well, we have taken some of them out. And next week we hope to take a lot more. Have you done anything to take them out?

        • Angel Wannabe

          Yes jamie do something 45, hide behind a computer screen and blame the Conservatives!

          • Angel Wannabe

            oops_ yes jamie does do something I meant.

  • http://com i41

    jamie, so if the Tea Party is Republican, the black Panthers, Coons are Us, and all the other fruit cake marxist, communist, socialist, progressive, flaky peophile dirtbags, are all democrats and Soros’s scum ball lap dogs? Why yes, the Tea Party problably does lean more towards Republicans, but the nut job nulti-minority dictator loving freaks are all hard core democrats. who have one agends, destroy the USA! Also that guy was slowing the rdical nutty broad down!

    • Bob Wire

      You still only have “one box” too? ~ You need to get yourself a few more boxes to put people in.

    • eddie47d

      The Great Swami has spoken!

    • eddie47d

      My last comment was for i41,sorry Bob

      • Bob Wire

        I’m quite use to friendly fire. You sit ring side long enough, you are bout to get a little blood and sweat on you, comes with the territory.

    • jamie

      i41 ruin the country? You mean like starting a war we can pay for and can’t afford? How about a war thats already been lost. See how well it work out for Russia. Ruin the country by trying to help kids who can’t get insurance because of pre-existing conditions?? Ruin the country with policies that incourrages business to ship jobs over sea’s?? The GOP is the party trying to ruin this country i41.

      • Jeep

        You’re half right Jamie…we did not start these wars, some camel jockies did. But, you may have a point about our inability to pay for them. Let’s follow your logic, we’ll not conduct our operations overseas. Instead, we will cower down to terrorists. After all we can’t afford it, so just let them keep killing Americans; as many as they want. Or, we might can chase ‘em down where they are. But, then again, that costs money. Sheesh…

      • 45caliber

        jamie:

        If the Oblamacare package contained only a line that stated that children with pre-existing considitions had to be insured, I doubt if anyone in the country (expect perhaps some insurance CEO) would care. It is the other 2000+ pages of things that bother us. Such as bureaucrats determining our medical care rather than our doctors. Such as setting up committees to determine our usefulness before deciding what medical care we should receive. Etc. It is due to those “other” things that most of us (80% at least) are against it.

        • DaveH

          I would care. Wouldn’t it be a lot more honest if the people who claimed to be compassionate supported their pet causes with their own money, instead of forcing the funding of their pet charities on other people?

          • Claire

            I still want to know if the Republicans gain power–what are they going to do about the pork and the lobbyists?? What are they going to do to create jobs and better the economy? Are they going to bring our troops home? Will they be any better at running the government? Think about it–both parties are full of garbage.

    • jamie

      i41 how is the President in the minority when he was elected by the largest margin since Reagon? This isn’t Bush who lost both of his elections in the popular vote but was handed the Presidency by the supreme court. This President WON his election.

      • 45caliber

        Yes, he was. BUT … he certainly doesn’t have that majority now, does he? In fact, he has the lowest rating of any President at this time in his term. And it isn’t due to racism; it’s due to his poor choices and bills he keeps pushing. He simply doesn’t have the ability to be the President of the US. All he can do is campaign – and that does not solve any of the country’s problems. Many now realize it. So your attempt to make it seem he is a good President that we should all follow blindly has failed.

    • 45caliber

      Actually, the Tea Party are conservatives; the Republicans just happen to be more conservative than the Democrats are. The Dems are out on the end of the left side of the bell curve while the Republicans are closer to the middle but still somewhat on the right.

  • http://Newwave Betty Phillips

    I watched the incident twice on TV, this woman was nothing but a liberal female rat!!! I say she got what she deserved, I seen on the tv where this dumb broad tried to cram the sign she carried into Pauls car, I guess that was okay? I am a big promoter of Rand Paul and have attended some of his speaches, this is one man that will not take any abuse from any democrat, this “lady” ( I use that word only to be respectful) should hang her head in shame, I do not give a good damn what she is. Betty

    • Angel Wannabe

      Yeah, betty, I believe she was a Liberal plant too!

      • JeffH

        Angel Wannabe, a member of MoveOn.org…yeah, I’d say she had a purpose in mind and it probably wasn’t her idea.

        • Angel Wannabe

          JeffH, Exactly!_-I’m not sayin fringes don’t start stuff on the right, but it’s usually the left_ whether the Progressive folks on here like it or not!

          • JeffH

            Angel Wannabe, according to the MSM and the Democrats, anybody that doesn’t agree with them are eitheron the “fringe” and are “extremists”.
            They have coined that phrase.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Yeah I hear that JeffH!

    • JC

      Well, maybe some better preperation would have been in order. Rather than physical, personal violence…maybe she should have been maced at point blank range while she was committing the assault with the sign.

      • Angel Wannabe

        JC, I don’t believe in violence either, but I don’t believe in laying around waiting to be rescued, why in the hell didn’t she stand up and defend herself?__My God, ya can’t play the victim or you’ll be one! If Somebody gonna try and have a go at me, there will be a fight!!

        • Bob Wire

          What did she do? beyond displaying a sign and yelling! what was her protest, does anyone know?

          I’d like to know more about her behavior.

          Just protesting has been common, Bagger have disrupted many town hall meeting, people of all parties and affiliations have been protesting for years.

          What was different with this protester?

          • Jeep

            Bob, what is this affinity you guys have with the gay community? Always talking about “bagging” and “tea bagging”. I really don’t have a problem with your orientation. Just please, do us all a favor and go satisfy your sexual passions in private.

          • Bob Wire

            Jeep , I haven’t a clue what you are talking about. Enlighten me.

          • libertytrain

            Bob – she was shoving her large sign into his car through the window that was rolled down – that’s what caused these folks to grab her and pull her down. It is in the video, just most places aren’t playing that key bit of info. I saw it yesterday, this might help. I don’t agree with his behavior and I don’t agree with her behavior. http://video.foxnews.com/v/4390336/head-stomping-scuffle

          • Bob Wire

            I took the liberty of pulling up “Baggers”. I find nothing that implies or suggest the sorted activities that you speak of. So do us all a big favor and explain yourself or let it go. You must know something Wikipedia and I don’t. A personal experience perhaps?

          • Bob Wire

            Ah AA! Thanks libertytrain, now it “all” makes perfect sense!

            Zeal was responded to with more Zeal!

            In affect, she was physically assaulting the occupants inside the car.

            These poster has crossed the line of civility and she was administered to be lesser trained crowd control people.

            It’s great to know the facts as the picture becomes understandable and clear.

          • Jeep

            Alright Bob, I’ll play just one more time (gosh, you guys are annoying with this stuff). I take strong exception to the derogatory term “bagger” or “tea bagger”. Simply put (for simple minds) it is meant as a slander, and it is taken as a slander. Although, on the surface it is no different than calling democrats – “demoncrats” or “demorats”; there is a strong correlation with activity normally associated with the gay lifestyle. A particular sex act that might offend some.

            And, Bob, since you obviously want to be a punk about it, I assumed that you must enjoy using the term for your own gratification (for the simpleton, you get your jollies posting it.) Do you think you can understand now, or do I have to break it down to a more childish level for you?

          • libertytrain

            Bob – not sure if your comment is a rare kind one or tongue-in-cheek, in any case I think the video does give us more a clue to what actually occurred than what is generally being played in the media.

          • JeffH

            libertytrain, the facts that lead up to the “foot stomp” incident is that this “person” became a “threat” to Rand Paul the minute she rushed to Rand Paul’s car and shoved the sign inside. Having the “blond wig” disguise only heightens the threat and any trained security service would have thrown the individual to the ground, immobilized the head to secure the threat because the body can only go where the head goes. It is standard practice throughout law enforcement. As for the foot stomp, it was a pretty weak one, but the leftist controlled MSM will make it a major issue in order to discredit Rand Paul. In essence, she got what anybody else would have received under the same circumstances albeit with a little added push.

          • libertytrain

            Jeff, of course you are correct – especially since in just our lives we have experienced more than enough assassinations and attempted assassinations that I expect these folks felt the need to be a little more than protective under the circumstances this woman provoked.

          • Bob Wire

            Not at all tongue and cheek, as this protester over step boundaries when she attempted to insert “something” into anyone’s automobile that wasn’t her own. Thus she was treated as a personal threat and subjected to heavy hands of security. That’s the way it works!

            she has the right to pursue her “handling” in a court of laws.

            End of story.

            and as for “Baggers” short for Tea Baggers, ~ I’m held to being sensitive to your feeling? Okay? but you know? One hand should wash the other on such matters.

            In as far as any Sub-culture practice or behavior that might bare the same label of “Bagger/s”, I know nothing about and pretty sure I’d like to keep it that way.

            On that same note, I used the term Bagger on Huffington Forum once and my posting refused to post due to “profanity”.

            So libertytrain this offers credence to your offense and I will be most happy to honor your feeling on the matter.

            Now that wasn’t hard was it.

            WE can kick back the darkness by lighting one candle at a time. It only takes the time to do so.

          • DaveH

            Bob,
            Are you really that naive? Or, are you just jerking our chains?
            http://www.gaydemon.com/dicktionary/tea_bagging/

          • JC

            That’s a fair question Bob. I’m laboring under the assumption that she was trying to wedge a sign through the window of an occupied vehicle. If so, she was not merely a “wpoman” but an aggressive person committing a defensible act of violence. But as I said earlier,
            I think she should have just been maced…not hit, or anything physically violent. And then arrested and charged with assault.
            If my understanding of the situation is at all accurate…it was still handled badly.

        • jamie

          Yea Angel i’m sure you’d do great in a 4 on 1 fight.

          • Angel Wannabe

            I’d give my best shot, how about you jamie?

          • Angel Wannabe

            And besides Jamie, considering how violent things are today, if she did in fact did push that sign in the car, there was no way of telling if she had a gun or not, _add to the fact she was Wearing a wig, is a pretty damn good clue, she didn’t want anyone to know who she was___you Progressive folks need to use your heads a lil’!

          • jamie

            I’m smart enough not to put myself in that position Angel…but if the only option is fighting i’d be right there till DEATH.

        • Karolyn

          Angel – She’d have to be an awfully strong woman to defend herself from several men bigger than her.

          • libertytrain

            Squeaky Fromme wasn’t big either, I’m sure she’s really a gentle soul, but they took her down during her assassination attempt on Gerald Ford — she only got life in prison.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Karolyn Ya know all this debate is great about this chick from moveOn.org but,_ quite frankly, in this day and age, every one is a potential assassin until proven otherwise. This is a nasty election ALL THE WAY AROUND, EVERY ONE IS ON EDGE!__This isn’t difficult,__ when a stranger approaches a car, and shoves a sign in through the window, no one knowing what her motives are___ people are going to react. We can all sit hear and debate, whether or not she was handled too rough, too this or too that___BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS, NO ONE KNEW WHAT SHE WAS GOING TO DO, SO THEY REACTED, TO PROTECT RAND__ GET OVER IT!__I’m gonna make dinner__Chow!

  • William Hoy

    It’s time conservatives realized that many of these incidents are “manufactured news events” perpetrated by paid operatives. The accomodating lamestream media reported it as stomping on her head when the pictures clearly show it wasn’t stomping and the foot was not on her head. It was probably funded by Soros, and it clearly illustrates the kind of followers Obama attracts.

    • Angel Wannabe

      Your EXACTLY RIGHT William H.!

    • JC

      Maybe we should start calling them what they are…”Insurgents” against the Constitution….naww it’s too soon for that…we’ll just have to stick with “Commie Morons” untill this turns into a shooting match.

  • 45caliber

    After reading most of these comments here, I think most of you needs to back off and rethink.

    I was raised to never hit a woman. I never have and never intend to do so. For some stupid reason, my wife decided to see if she could push me into hitting her one time. I didn’t … but when I found out she was testing me, I threatened to turn her over my knee.

    I have little use for anyone who does hit a woman or beat (not spank) a child. Where I grew up, if a man was suspected of hitting his wife or beating a child, he would be visited by several men who would explain to him the results of such an act. I’ve personally told one man that if he ever did it again, I’d have to see that his wife had a good chance of staying away from him … since he’d be in a wheel chair. I only know of two men who refused to listen but they still learned. (Unfortunately, now the law insists that we can’t insure the women remain safe.)

    So, again, go back and think things over. From all I’ve heard, the woman here wasn’t stomped as some try to say. But the man was wrong to put his foot where he did. A couple of men holding her shoulders should have been enough to keep her down. Even though she apparently started things, it isn’t right to strike her. Hold her, yes.

    • JeffH

      45caliber, I can agree, but remember Rand Paul is a highly disliked target for the Democrats and the liftist liberals and deserves to be protected. Again, this woman shoved her sign into his SUV and no one knows what else this person had in mind for Mr. Paul. Wearing a wig only enhances the threat to Mr. Paul and any trained security personnel would have taken her down and immobilized the threat. Woman or man. As far as the “boot” on the head, it should have been a knee in the side of the face just like other police arrests are conducted.

      • Bob Wire

        There nothing wrong with Rand Paul, he the best candidate the TP has offered to date.

        The Democrats might say they don’t like him but what’s there not to like? That he’s a threat to an election process? Sure !

        • JeffH

          Bob, “The Democrats might say they don’t like him but what’s there not to like? That he’s a threat to an election process?”

          I would say he’s more a threat to an “agenda” than an election process. The election process will confirm whether or not he becomes a threat to the Democrat’s agenda.

          • 45caliber

            He is certainly not liked since they know his father too well. Like his father, I’m certain that sooner or later he’ll get the title of “Dr. No” in the Senate. Probably sooner than later.

        • Kinetic1

          I don’t know if I can speak for all Democrats, but when a mine collapses at a facility that has been cited over and over for safety violations, I want to hear how it’s going to be dealt with so that no one has to die in the future. What I don’t want to hear is “…I mean, sometimes mines just collapse, you know? Nobody’s fault. I think it’s called gravity.”

          When a local restaurant refuses to serve anyone who can’t check off “white” on their census form, I don’t want my Senator reacting by saying “”I mean, if you don’t trace your ancestry to northern Europe and you’re really hungry, if you ask nicely, maybe they’ll let you come in. I mean, these are things we can solve without laws and stuff.”

          And again, when a corporation’s disregard for the safety of our people and the environment leads to the worst oil spill in history, I don’t need a representative of our government saying “And I think it’s part of this sort of blame-game society in the sense that it’s always got to be somebody’s fault instead of the fact that maybe sometimes accidents happen…”

          Yes Rand, when you care more about profit than the people who work for you, accidents do happen. That’s why we we’re supposed to have government oversight instead of a bunch of political appointees in bed with the industry. I know that most of you agree with Mr. Paul and his belief that the government should stay out of everything, but these two disasters should show you how life might be if it were all up to the good hearted corporations.

      • Angel Wannabe

        I agree JeffH, in a crowd full of people, how are you going to know what “anyones” motives are, tensions are high__-If it looks like something violent is going down, security has to react_PERIOD!__Like I said this is a nasty election!

    • DaveH

      45,
      I wouldn’t get physical with anybody who doesn’t first get physical with me, man or woman. I also don’t condone women getting physical with men. Their size or sex has no bearing on the issue.

      • libertytrain

        And as a woman, I have to agree, no more reason for women to attack men anymore than men to attack women. We fought for our rights for many years, and it is only fair that we be treated the same if we attack a man. Spousal attacks, for that matter, aren’t only done to women.

        • Angel Wannabe

          DaveH and Libertytrain____DITTO!

  • Bob Wire

    Good for you 45, you passed the test.

    Sounds like one got one with a lot of fire in her.

    I’m left to guess, she make an impression on you.

    I feel the same as you are this point. We’ve both handled unruly, violent people before and know what required to naturalize a subject.

    I didn’t see fear of bodily harm here, I’m not saying it wasn’t there, only that “I” didn’t see it.

    • independant thinker

      I just watched the video and have a couple of thoughts about it. First, the woman is just as guilty of assualt as the one man because it appears she tried to hit Mr Paul with her sign. Second, the guy did NOT stomp on her he placed his foot on her shoulder then pressed down. Third, He was still wrong to do that since the woman was pinned to the ground and any threat to Mr Paul by her had been elimenated. Fourth, both she and the one man should be charged with assualt. Fifth, I believe in treating the “fair sex” with respect, non violence, and so forth but if a woman comes at me with apparent intent to do me or my family harm I will do whatever is necessary to stop her including hitting her with my fist or anything else I can find. When she attacks me she loses the right to be treated as a woman she becomes a common criminal.

      • Angel Wannabe

        Well said independent thinker, doesn’t matter who it is, if they’re intent is harm, then ya have to protect yourself and those around you. And if its a woman intending to do harm, she loses the “weaker sex” title!

  • Les Moore

    It is a very sad and unfortunate affair, but at the same time, telling. It is unfortunate that Tim is not SEIU or Black Panther, he will now pay the piper and have a blight on his future. My sympathies go out to him for his unbridled moment. The Left finally got their ‘Poster Child Conservative’. It’s been a long time coming, that is in itself amazing. They will use Tim to paint the Patriots just like they use Roeder to paint the Right To Life Christians. The baby killers were so thrilled to get a poster child and a martyr to rally their lies. The Truth is their adversary and the facts are their tools. This is a symptom of a national crisis of principles. Even the patriots often fail to understand them and therefore fail to walk the straight path. After Nov. 2 we will still have a long road ahead.

    • jamie

      Yes a long road indeed if you think the GOP is going to do anything to fix anything. If they we’re going to fix anything they would have already did it when they had complete power from 2000 thru 2006. What happened. 2 wars. The debt ceiling got raised twice so they could borrow more money. George Bush stole another election to become the only President to loose the popular vote twice but keep the White House. Talk about election fraud. See Florida and 2000 and Ohio in 2004.

      • independant thinker

        Your democratic socialist heroes sure as hell have not done anything to improve the situation.

  • eddie47d

    I’ve been to a hand full of public meetings for one party or another. I have a dear friend who is running in District 22 and yes she is a Democrats. Very down to earth and strong on local budgeting. There were 5 “plants” at her meeting and every time an issue was brought up they would jump in and take up valuable time. Few got to speak but the “plants” opinions were repeated over and over. So both sides play politics of disruption. I went to another Republican meeting (I like to hear all opinions) and there were 4 of the 5 “plants” cheering on the Republicans. I got the picture real quick, so enough of this bickering about those evil Democrat “plants”. Basically they all have the right to be where they were but should be more respectful in how they act.

    • Karolyn

      Thanks for that little bit of rationality Eddie. The conservatives seem to think that it’s only the liberals that do stuff like that.

    • JeffH

      You say all of that with such conviction and unfortunately you’ve got no credibility to go along with it. With that I say, fast eddie is probably fibbing just a little bit, or alot!!

      • Karolyn

        Oh, I forgot. All conservatives are pure of heart and never do anything wrong. Sorry.

      • eddie47d

        No lies Jeff, I’ll leave that up to you. No wonder you aren’t married you cantankerous old goat. You’d have to pay her to have supper with you.

        • JeffH

          fast eddiot, I still stand behind your lack of credibility and that you’re fibbing!

          • eddie47d

            To me you will always be a damn liar and a charlatan or is that a chameleon! You are beyond bizarre.

          • JeffH

            fast eddie just can’t stand being exposed and it’s very easy to see that because the hackles on the back of his neck go up and his “potty mouth” starts talking. Fibber!

  • http://none draper b. gregory

    It’s sad and alarming to see the deceit and plain dishonesty that exist in some people who are desperate beyond measure.

    There is a frightening element here, namely that there is a percentage of voters who will give some credibility to this kind of slop.

    We will insist on honesty and truth without any compromise.

    All the best. Draper Gregory

  • Average Joe

    Personally, I think the moron of a woman (wearing a disguise, acting suspiciously and attempting give a senate candidate a “FAKE” award) got off rather easy. If a police officer or secret service person had spotted her first, she would have had a bloody nose just hitting the ground (at the very least).

    When the police take down a suspect, they put the suspect face down…quickly…why?…because they can’t easily hit someone while face down. Next, they usually place their knee…squarely in the middle of the suspects back….with full body weight on that knee…why?…because it is painful and restricts breathing…..making it much easier to control the situation. Lastly, they pull your arms behind your back and upwards…why?…again, because it is extremly painful and makes it easier to control the flow of events.

    This woman who admitted that she was there with a specific agenda (which was… to stir up controversy by presenting a fake award to the republican candidate Rand Paul), has already lost any cedibility in any case she could possibly against anyone….she purposefully placed herself in this situation for publicity and nothing more.

    After watching the video, I think the people who took her down did the right thing. The one man had his foot on her shoulder trying to keep her face down…and she kept trying to turn back over…I’ll admit, he was wrong…..his knee should have been squarely in her back. Also, I do recall people in the video hollering, “someone get the police”, several times….while they were pulling the blonde wig off of her. The police will always be there in minutes…when seconds count.. Yes, those people did mostly the right thing..they were just too lax on her…she’ll most likely be doing something this stupid again because she got off easy.

    If this woman had been found with a gun , knife or other weapon on her, would her treatment still have been considered to be too harsh? There are nuts out there walking around who are capable of just about anything (this woman is proof, she risked getting injured or worse…for publicity). Does anyone remember John Wilkes Booth, Lee Harvey Oswald, Sirhan Sirhan, Lynette ‘Squeaky’ Fromme?…They were each… just one lone “nut” in the crowd.

    Yes, I think this woman got off lucky, she is still alive, still intact and she got her 15 minutes of fame…whoopie…..Next! or, to quote her little group…..Move on!

    • independant thinker

      Good points Joe, There are reports that the woman in interviews has claimed she was just standing there when she was attacked. In other interviews she is reported to have said the men chased her around the car before assualting her both of which are obviously false from the video.

    • 45caliber

      I agree with you. Now that I’ve seen the video I agree that she was not “stomped on the head”. Holding her down is okay, but again, I agree with you. A knee in the back would have worked better. But I suspect those who caught her were NOT trained security personnel.

      • Average Joe

        “But I suspect those who caught her were NOT trained security personnel.”

        Exactly…that is why I said she got off lucky.
        I am not a trained bodyguard either…but I did pay attention to details in the old “COPS” TV shows. Those trained cops don’t play around when they take down a suspect, and this woman was definately “suspicious” in her actions leading up to the confrontation. Had it been the police, she would have been hurt much worse than she was….she got her feathers ruffled, big deal…if she does something like this in the future, she might not be so lucky…IMHO.

  • S.C.Murf

    You all argue like a bunch of spoiled brats! It reads “WE THE PEOPLE”. That”s right WE have gotten this country to where we are at now. WE have done it, not just Repub”s and not just Demo”s, WE THE PEOPLE, so when are we going to stop all this arguing and get to solving OUR problems. To hit anyone, man, women or children is wrong. No one gave us the authority to hit anyone. This is only one of ideals that separate us from other cultures. So why don’t we start acting like Americans, start working together to get US up and out of this mess, or is it to late? WE THE PEOPLE have gotten used to the way things are, the good life, we don’t want to lose what we have, we don’t want to change. WE THE PEOPLE, not black, not white, not Repub., not Demo., but WE THE PEOPLE need to get on the same page, stop arguing and find the answers

    up the hill
    airborne

    • DaveH

      Because the “mess” can not be solved by “we the people” (government). It can only be solved by individuals making correct decisions. Big Government has failed to put countries of people on the right track throughout history. Big Government is the Problem, Not the Solution.

      • Bob Wire

        From the beginning of time things have been a mess, ~ mankind is a mess and always will be a mess.

        That you can now sit before you’re PC screen and talk about what a mess things have become is the only thing new.

        This could be a good thing and it could be very self defeating.

        So far, my call is, it’s just a new product that offers us empowering opportunities if used wisely. But that said , you still can’t take “man” out of the equation, and we all know that he’s a “mess”

        So far, most of you have wrong ideas about your opposition. You only fight “labels” , labels that were created with an attempt to paint “your” enemy for clear identification purposes and offer resistance anyway possible.

        You throw stones yet act confused to why stones are being thrown you way. Damn funny, state of affair.

        Only Today, we throw more, faster.

  • alpha-lemming

    This JUST in!! Scientists have discovered a “progressive (liberal) gene”.

    http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/health/Scientists-May-Have-IDd-Liberal-Gene-105917218.html

    Lauren Valle is not to be villified but pitied… the poor unwilling victim of “that if it feels good, do it” dopamine receptor plan that didn’t get built quite right. She and all progressives are the unfortunate casualty of faulty wiring and picking on these poor mutants is cruel. They’re worthy of extra TLC that we’d offer any lower life form/pet. They can’t help it. No wonder they want free healthcare.

    There, but for the grace of God, go I.

    • Bob Wire

      it doesn’t have a thing to do with genes.

      But how your were raised, education, parental imprinting, environment, life experiences ,the individuals personal capacity for compassion and apathy and the ability to project and see the world in the 3rd person singular (or not). All of which offered a mental state and final product.

      Human Relations 101 is the front door to this study. It’s an academic science commonly refereed to as Physic. This study is common and in used on these pages to sell ideas, gold, etc.

      • alpha-lemming

        You know that’s what I thought….. but there it is in black and white (?? or African-American and cracker bastard??… my “new-speak” might not be quite up to snuff… don’t want to offend anyone).

      • 45caliber

        There are some traits that are inherited but I doubt if liberalism is one. I saw the story myself. What they were saying was that this gene gave tendencies that could lead to liberalism such as wanting to be around a bunch of people, etc.

        • Average Joe

          I am proof of that…..I am the only Conservative Republican in my entire family….I’m the “White Sheep”….lol
          I will admit though, that my social network of friends was not very big..maybe 5-6 of us that hung out together (of course that was the 70′s and we really didn’t consider it a “social network”…just our “Buds”.

          • Bob Wire

            No Joe! you’re seen as the black sheep of the herd. Just ask then.

          • Average Joe

            That’s just your opinion…and we all know about opinions…right?
            You are entitled to yours and I am entitled to mine, I consider myself the white sheep and your opinion doesn’t affect me in any way (I’ve considered the source).
            As for your analogy below concerning Bull Frogs, did you ever consider that you might just be a little fly eating up a big pile of garbage and annoying people?…..Just something to ponder.

      • Bob Wire

        It’s just your perception and “self-image” as work guys. Seems, many of you think of yourselves as Big Bull frogs in a small pond. When in fact you are small bull frogs in a huge pond.

        But if you never venture out ~ how is one to know?

    • Michael J.

      alpha – lemming,
      I don’t beleive it’s a genetic thing. I instead think they have devolved to an earlier primate species, Azzholamongus.

    • Karolyn

      What an interesting concept! I had a very active social life and lots of friends when I was a kid.

  • Bob Wire

    I think everyone needs to understand what constitutes an “assault”

    It’s simple an unsolicited, unwarranted body “touch” ~ that’s enough to get your ass thrown in jail, if someone takes exception to the advance.

    Since people were in the automobile, the act of knowing and willingly attempting to insert “something” through a open window can be construed as an assault.

  • jopa

    JeffH;I never said you were married.There are many men in the San Francisco bay area that were never married.However in the past some of your comments and sites you referred others to were of the white power nature.Sorry to have upset you.

    • JeffH

      jopa, not upset at all and any “white supremisist” site I may have linked to were probably misconstrued as such by you.

    • JeffH

      Get real just once jopa. I’ve never been a person who pushed “white power” on this or any other website, publicly or privately. If you had your eyes open, you’d realize that I’ve probably spoken up as much or more against that kind of talk.
      It is you with all your haste and racial bias that, again, cannot see the facts as they are but only as you have percieved them.

      • eddie47d

        Jeff; Why don’t you go out and shoot some more illegals for fun. Only if it makes you feel better> Would that round out a perfect day for you. Flip Flop,Flip Flop!

        • JeffH

          Stupid is as stupid does!

          • eddie47d

            Well then,STOP being stupid!

          • independant thinker

            Follow your own advice eddie

  • john

    If we should fall into civil war God forbid…how are the limp wristed liberals going to defend themselves..name calling and political suppression only takes you so far..eventually fighting will break out and you will have to defend yourselves.

    • 45caliber

      You are basically right. But some do like to show off their strength – typical of bullies. They will attack someone older and in poorer condition, particularly if they have numbers on their side like Oblama’s favorite union.

      But when it comes to more serious stuff they panic. I actually wonder if that wasn’t the main reason the military went to volunteers. At the time I was in, the draft was still going on so they got a lot of liberals. The money the s*** hit the fan they would generally try to hide behind a tree or run away. If they did shoot, it was blindly around something while they tried to remain hidden.

      I mentioned to a West Point grad that I had noticed that only about 1 in 10 men were of use in battle. I wondered why we didn’t just leave the rest behind. He stated that they were taught that in West Point – and the rest were along to draw fire away from the good soldiers. In other words, they made good targets.

      • 45caliber

        Not money, moment!!

      • S.C.Murf

        They call them cannon fodder

        up the hill
        airborne

      • Karolyn

        So there’s something wrong with people who don’t want to kill others?

        • Michael J.

          karolyn,
          Is there anything on earth (besides pell grants) that you consider worth fighting for?
          If George Washington had the same additude as you, we’d all be speaking British now.

          • Karolyn

            Michael – Please, don’t be facetious. I fight for a lot, mostly injustice, social and any other way. I am also very outspoken when it comes to ignorance.

          • Michael J.

            karolyn,
            If you truly are outspoken when it comes to ignorance, it must create an intolerable inner conflict within yourselves.

    • 45caliber

      Oh, how are these “limp-wristed” people going to defend themselves?

      They have that figured out. They are going to call upon the (mostly conservative) military to protect them … they think.

    • DaveH

      Don’t kid yourself, John. The “limp wristed” Liberals have one huge advantage over the Conservatives. They lack morality. While the Conservatives are pondering whether it is right or wrong to take a life, the Liberals will suffer from no such impediment.

      • Karolyn

        You have no clue and obviously do not know what you’re talking about. On one hand liberals are being called “cowards” and the being called immoral. You simply cannot pigeonhole somebody by their political leanings.

        • JeffH

          Now the resident expert on liberals jumps to defend her flock.

          • eddie47d

            We have you pigeonholed Jeff, but I was a bit surprised you didn’t use stronger words as per usual.

          • Karolyn

            I have no “flock.” And I have said that I cannot be pigeonholed. However, I do call a spade a spade, and stand up for whst I believe.

          • JeffH

            I’ll ask again fast eddie, who is this “we” you keep speaking of?

          • libertytrain

            JeffH – perhaps all those folks down in the basement of the WH – working hard and fast to keep up with our comments.

          • Claire

            Has anyone ever heard this: “Make like a sheep and get the flock out of here.”

          • Angel Wannabe

            Clair, your funny too! :)_-Yes I heard that!!

          • Claire

            Anegl– I have to laugh too. During the work week when I leave work at 5:00 p.m. this pops in my mind and I have to giggle.

          • Claire

            Angel–sorry I misspelled your name. It was not my intent.

          • Angel Wannabe

            No prob at all Clair, good typing to ya_we haven’t taked in while :)

        • Average Joe

          Karolyn,

          “You simply cannot pigeonhole somebody by their political leanings”.

          Are you sure about that?…here’s something for you to ponder….

          Political tags – such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth – are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire.
          Robert A. Heinlein

          Now, considering that there are only two types of people in the political landscape, it seems to be pretty easy to pidgeon-hole people.You are either in the first group or the latter. You “appear” to be in group one and I am in group two. Both of us have now been pidgeon-holed…..and it was quite simple to do.

          Have a nice day.

      • Bob Wire

        So Dave ? Conservatives are a beacon of morality, have the market cornered?

        with such a statement I’m inclined to believe more a beacon of hypocrisy.

        To dispose yourself from such an accusation I offer, you need only to behavior and speak in less lofty terms.

        You think about it. ~ Pious stupidity has never been seen as a virtue.

        You seem to believe you can get away with it here because of the numbers that “might” agree with you. But the “numbers” that “might” be in agreement fails to make you correct, insightful, just, fair or wise.

  • Bob Wire

    “how are the limp wristed liberals going to defend themselves..name calling and political suppression only takes you so far..”

    I guess when you are looking up 36 inches of inseam, you’ll find out.

    • 45caliber

      Only if there isn’t another person there with a 30″ inseam who doesn’t object.

      • Bob Wire

        Yea ! maybe we should unit against all those pesky “Name Calling LIMP WRIST LIBERALS”

        I think maybe you’re blind to your own words.

  • dahni

    maybe blondie deserves much of the blame for this event. what could she possible achieve in terms of a rational debate by going to the opponents car and trying to force her way in with a flag? While I’m glad she wasn’t hurt worse, my feelings would be about the same in terms of her incredible stupidity. Of course those who belong to moveon are mostly incredibly naive, so what can we expect? and yes, i know member of moveon…..

  • eddie47d

    Nobody is blaming Ron Paul for this incident, and why is Jana talking about guns and knives.Do some of you think you have to spice up the incident with bogus tripe? How low are you willing to take this?

    • DaveH

      Oh yeah, Eddie? Try reading Kinetic’s comments.

      • eddie47d

        Dave: Try reading you’re comments!

    • JeffH

      Jana says: “No it wasn’t. They couldn’t tell if she had a knife or a gun in her hand too. She could have had a gun and shot at Paul, so they were doing what was right. She started something she couldn’t finish. Shame on her.”

      fast eddie, are you really that stymied by Jana’s perfectly legitimate comment as to accuse her of “spicing up the incident with bogus tripe”?

      Do the names John Hinckley Jr, Sara Jane Moore, John F. Schrank, Giuseppe Zangara, Oscar Collazo and Griselio Torresola, Richard Paul Pavlick, Samuel Byck, Lynette “Squeaky” Fromme, Frank Eugene Corder, Robert Pickett and Vladimir Arutyunian.

      I’d say look them up and tell us again that Jana is only making “bogus tripe” when these peoples attempted atassasinations are not only made with guns and knives but with cars, planes, grenades and bombs.

      Get off your little pony and start riding a horse with the real people fast eddie.

  • JeffH

    Lauren Valle Exposed: The Ecoterrorist who assaulted Rand Paul has an extensive criminal record.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmaS5f1Ec50

    • libertytrain

      JeffH – your video does show her actions prior to be knocked down, along with some of her other “proud” moments. Her parents must be terribly proud of her. :)

      • JeffH

        libertytrain, it’s just not her fault that she was wearing a blonde wig, hiding her identity, and stuffing that sign into the window of the SUV. Who knows what her intent was but in this day and age, it certainly is better to be safe than sorry. She appears to possibly have a “fetish” for rough treatment. Whatever transpired, she brought it all upon herself. That’s the fact of the matter which the MSM fails to say.

        • Bob Wire

          lol! funny Jeff ~ maybe you are right!

    • JeffH

      I found this video was rather amusing.

      • eddie47d

        Proffit “is a hero”,not by a long shot. We find you very amusing,but nice try.

        • JeffH

          fast eddie, who is this “we” you speak of? You and your delusional mind?

    • DaveH

      As usual, when the light of truth shines brightly on them, we can see the Leftists are not the innocent flowers they claim to be.

      • Bob Wire

        Not in this case for sure Dave.

        But this really shouldn’t be looked upon at a “team sport”

        as we find posters so willing to accuse “Limp wrist liberals” of name calling.

        That’s damn near funny, ~so willing to be blinded by political partisanship, failing see one’s own transgression.

        Does anyone every stop to wonder why or is this truly beneficial to sound and effective government?

        This “protester” was wrong and she will pay the price for being wrong but this fails to make similar behaving right.

        Rare is the time, where the “any means” justifies the end.

        • Karolyn

          Thank you Bob for your voice of reason.

  • http://www.personalliberty.com/conservative-politics/g Doris

    I am sorry, but once the wig came off, she did not look like a woman. I don’t condone this type of action, but It could be that these men did not realize they were dealing with a woman.

    • Bob Wire

      Good point Doris. I see no serious fault or foul.

  • Claire

    I will not take “sides” in this fiasco. But I can tell you one thing–they would have had a hell of a time holding me down. I wouldn’t give a damn WHO was trying to hold me down. I would be fighting, scratching, kicking, whatever.
    The tempers are running hot, and stupidity is prevailing. And what will be gained? Nothing but more stupidity. Idiots. Acting like schoolyard bullies. All of them. Logic and common sense have flown away. As far as I am concerned, I have decided there is no sane politician that is running. There are all acting like crazies. I will vote for a mentally stable mind. The problem is, who will it be?

    • JeffH

      Claire, first thing is you wouldn’t try to pull a stunt like that gal did and secondly, she was an unknown threat, not some innocent protester, and was treated as such.

      • Claire

        JeffH– No, I wouldn’t pull a stunt like that, and I agree, the nut could have had a gun, knife, whatever. While I do not condone what she did, I wish to explain that I am a different sort of person. I would still fight like heck. To me, the last paragraph in my post describes what is going on within the Democrat and the Republican parties. A bunch of crazies spinning out of control. And if election time doesn’t get here soon, it will get worse.

        • JeffH

          That’s just a part of what I like about you Claire, you’re a fighter.
          I, too, am a fighter and have made up my mind that I’m gonna fight the Marxist/socialist/communists ’til my dying breath to keep our freedoms intact for our future generations. I’m just too old and wise to be intimidated. That’s why Sam Colt made men equal.

          • JeffH

            …and women…

          • Claire

            All I know is that I will fight for what I believe in. No holds barred. If I have my mind made up about something, that is it. No ifs, ands, or buts.

    • libertytrain

      Yep Claire, in this case the video, the full video, not the partial most news sources have shown, tells the story and Jeff had a wonderful link that speaks volumes on this crazy lady.

    • Bob Wire

      “But I can tell you one thing–they would have had a hell of a time holding me down. I wouldn’t give a damn WHO was trying to hold me down. I would be fighting, scratching, kicking, whatever.”

      Exactly Claire, and that’s why she got the boot. Usually the boot is applied to the neck to entrap and contain the subject.

      What I seen in the film clip was “Mr Bad Back” first applied pressure to her back, then to her neck and then the boot returned to her neck.

      It is my belief at this time, as the subject fought to resist more pressure was applied to overcome her resistance, first a boot to her shoulder then went to her neck. When she quit resisting the boot was removed for her neck and returned to her shoulder.

      This tells me several things, security was modulated,metered and mindful of the force being applied and of the consequences.

      I’ve seen much rougher “take downs”& “Pin”. They are never a pretty site to witness or be a part of. It’s much like working stock, something that has to be “addressed” by force when the spoken “command” fails to work.

      That she was a zestful opposing party member doesn’t change the facts and I hope everyone sees it the same way.

      But I kinda doubt it, don’t you?

  • William Barry

    The woman was a MoveOn rank-and-filer, and she tried to attack Rand Paul. The fact that she was knocked to the ground and held down meant only that she had gotten within arm’s reach of her target. What other reaction would you expect from the crowd, since she was your typical left-wing political dog-soldier… cheaply bought, wholly expendable and easily replaced. It shows you what little regard the Lefties have for the lives of their own, sending them into harm’s way like this…

    • Karolyn

      I doubt that anyone “sent” her into “harm’s” way. She’s a grown woman, and a radical at that, so she knew exactly what she was doing. I have not condoned what she did, only the right to do it and not get mugged.

      • libertytrain

        Condoning the right for a woman to attack a candidate. Should I be surprised? Probably not.

        • Karolyn

          In my opinion, she was not attacking.

          • libertytrain

            Of course not.

          • Bob Wire

            I understand Karolyn, but she was, she exceeded her personal freedom to assemble when she acted in a threatening manner and inserted an object through an open car window without permission or solicitation.

            You can’t do that! very uncool.

  • jopa

    Well I guess JeffH has two heroes now.Pee Wee herman and Tin Proffit.Three fat republicans knock down and stomp a young woman on the head and he thinks it’s funny.I guess that’s one of the reasons he was never married.Lately you have been posting poetry, and pictures of Jesus to cover up past posts, that did show your true colors. Nice try!!What a phoney.

    • JeffH

      baaaaaaaa, baaaaaaaa, baaaaaaaaaaaaa!

  • jopa

    I have come to the conclusion even — could kick your Butt without a colt.I really do not know any but Mutt & come to mind and I think you were the little short guy, right?

    • JeffH

      El burro sabe mas que tu!

  • Bob Wire

    What’s this deal with “Guns” ~ always “guns” if you are old as you say Jeffy, I’d think that you’d grown out of the gun stage by now. Gun are for young foolish men. Old men see victories with Army’s of young foolish men.

    and another thing, while I haven’t been watching tv in months ~ and still it has come to my attention that we keep hearing GOP women candidates stumping, suggesting to their rivals, to “man up” to “to put your big boy britches on” in effect attacking with gendered slurs!

    Now “what gives” with all of this? Are we opening up new ground here in “personal attacks”

    Now for a bunch of people that don’t like to be called “Baggers” while naming their movement The Tea Party and adorning their cloths and headgear with Tea Bags in festive spirit at Protest Rallies , I find the offense to be unjustified and a bit surreal.

    If you wish to be sensitive about wording and Labels , I think it’d be a great idea to practice some sensitivity yourselves.

    If these “hopefuls” want to gender their comments and attack their opponents balls, I think we have reached a new low in America.

    I personally think some restraint would be a good idea on everyone’s part.

    And Dave, thanks for your link on Baggers ~ as I had thought, it’s sub-culture jargon and only relevant to sub-culture. Thanks for the update; needless to say, this is not a part of my world and I know little of it. Never-less, I will honor Jeeps wishes on the matter and discontinue using the word “baggers” The link was gross by the way.

    Today it seems we all find ourselves in the position of either “attacking” or “defending”

    While you hate to hear “any” defense when offered, leaves your opponent few choices in the matter but to concede without being offered a single concession or to attack! ~~ So? you seem to expect unconditional surrender? ~ without garnering the power to affect it. Your stance is unreasonable.

    So as we slug away here it’d be nice to consider keeping all these punches above the belt.

    • JeffH

      Bobby, with a comment like this, “I’d think that you’d grown out of the gun stage by now. Gun are for young foolish men. Old men see victories with Army’s of young foolish men”
      I can see that you have a severe learning disability and an even more severe case of “gun” ignorance. You see, most people don’t buy guns for the sole purpose of protection…most people buy guns for hunting and the shooting sports…I know that’s difficult to phathom for someone like yourself, but that’s the fact of the matter.

      That said, I’d think someone as old and foolish as yourself would have the knowledge to understand that…but, it is what it is!

    • Claire

      Bob Wire — I am certainly not “trigger happy” but I believe in the right to keep and bear arms. This does not mean I want an AK-47. My husband insisted I take shooting lessons and I did. I want to be in a position to protect myself in the event of home robbery, mugging, etc. I don’t go around looking for trouble and I keep my mouth shut (for the most part) but I will not tolerate anyone breaking into my home or harming my husband and family. The world is not as nice as it was years and years ago. There is more violence, etc. nowadays. I will keep my trusty little Glock and I will not “outgrow” the gun stage, especially since I am too old to change my ways now. Besides, I don’t want to “change.”

  • http://com i41

    JeffH,Bobby spouts the typical liberial response, guns kill people, no, it is the dumb socialist misfits, that enable scum to harm the citizens. Organisms who steal and break in to private homes, and beleive it is a liberal household, and then get dropped, it is their stupidity. Any gun, big or small is better than no gun,in a home invasion. It is just like killing snakes, gives you some distance and sometimes you must get you range figured out, but when disposed of danger ends, unless you live in a dictatorship run country.

    • JeffH

      i41, I’m a bird hunter and really love my shotguns…multiple that is, two Benelli 12 ga. and a Remington 1100G3 20ga., two rifles and one pistol…none were ever purchased primarily as a defensive weapon although they can and will be used that way if necessary. I’ve been hunting and target shooting since I was 15 and nice guns just happen to be something that I enjoy. I had to sell off(valued over $8000) 7 shotguns, three pistols and two rifles plus my gunsafe and all of my fishing equipment and waterfowl art in 2007 when I was out of work and since I got back on my feet, I’ve been rebuilding my gun inventory which will never be what it once was. So goes life. Screw the libs and the anti-gun nuts anyway…they mean nothing to me.

      • Claire

        JeffH–You sound like my husband. Bob will never part with his guns. And that is his right. I support him 100%. And I support you and the right to keep and bear arms. I wish Bob could still go bird hunting. I find him looking through pictures once in a while. The pictures he looks at are the ones from hunting. He loved his “Lucky.” Lucky was a 29-30 inch tall Shorthair. A big boy! Lucky was a hunting fool with a wonderful temperament. Bob enjoyed many hunting trips with that dog. Lucky died in 2004 at 14 and a half years of age and it just about broke Bob’s heart. Bob and Lucky had many years of bird hunting together. My son’s new puppy is marked a lot like Lucky was, the liver-colored patches and the narrow white blaze going down the center of his face. Bob loves this puppy but I know Bob is thinking of Lucky.

        • JeffH

          Claire, those were the best days. I wish I could hunt with Bob and your son ’cause they’re my kind of people. Remembering my dads best shorthairs were Bob-O-Link a big runner but would hold a point forever and his favorite was a bitch named Pepper, white with large patches of liver who was a quail finding fool. She died from cancer at a fairly young age. Bob also died before his time from a kennel accident. My dads best friend who had an artiicle leg, had the best hunting shorthairs for quail and pheasant…Zipper, a male and Jill, a female…we had the most memorable hunts over them. They were so smart it became common to trust them rather than “handle” them into hunting situations that would often not pan out. They always seemed to know where the birds were, unlike us sometimes.

          • JeffH

            artiicle=artificial

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