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A Gun Control News Roundup

January 10, 2013 by  

Here is a collection of some of the latest stories coming from the American gun control debate. Gun grabbers are making a great deal of noise and using underhanded tactics to “really brainwash people into thinking about guns in a vastly different way.” *

Vice President Joe Biden Makes Clear The Executive Threat To The 2nd Amendment
 

The Vice President, who is currently in the midst of a series of meeting focused around gun control efforts, said at a news conference Wednesday that gun control is a moral issue and that “it’s critically important that we act.” That’s why, he said, the President is putting together a comprehensive plan that includes gun control via executive order.

“The president is going to act,” said Biden. “There are executives orders, there’s executive action that can be taken. We haven’t decided what that is yet. But we’re compiling it all with the help of the attorney general and the rest of the cabinet members as well as legislative action that we believe is required.”

Biden spent Wednesday in meetings with organizations that support gun control and shooting victims. Today, he is slated to meet with gun-ownership organizations and sportsmen’s groups. He is also planning talks with video-game makers and other members of the entertainment industry to discuss gun violence.

Former President Bill Clinton Turned A Consumer Electronics Show Speech Into A Gun Control Diatribe

According to CNET, Clinton was expected to talk about closing the technology gap between rich and poor countries. Instead, he veered into talking about America’s “unjustifiable neglect of gun safety.”

From CNET:

Clinton talking about gun control and the death rate in the U.S. compared to other countries. “I grew up in this hunting culture, but this is nuts,” Clinton says. “Why does anybody need a 30-round clip for a gun?” Half of all deaths have occurred since the assault weapons ban expired, Clinton offers.

New York Governor Outlines His Own Gun-Grabbing Plan

Andrew Cuomo said in an address to lawmakers in his State Wednesday, “Guns have both a noble and tragic tradition in America and in New York State.”

That’s why he wants to implement some of the (so far) most draconian gun laws in the Nation. His plan includes:

  • Confiscation of firearms by police if a psychiatrist determines you have mental problems.
  • Banning all assault weapons “with military features.”
  • Limiting magazines to seven rounds.
  • Confiscation of pre-1994 assault weapon ban banned weapons.
  • Shorter renewal periods for gun licenses.
  • Requiring background checks on private party gun sales.

A Representative In Iowa Calls For Gun Confiscation

State Representative Dan Muhlbauer (D- Manilla) said he believes that the government should simply begin confiscating semi-automatic rifles and other “big guns.” He said that he owns a .410 shotgun, a .22 rifle and a .22 pistol.

“We cannot have big guns out here as far as the big guns that are out here, the semi-automatics and all of them,” Muhlbauer told the Daily Times Herald. “We can’t have those running around out here. Those are not hunting weapons.”

“We should ban those in Iowa,” he said, adding that such a ban should be applied retroactively.

“We need to get them off the streets — illegally — and even if you have them, I think we need to start taking them,” Muhlbauer went on. “We can’t have those out there. Because if they’re out there they’re just going to get circulated around to the wrong people. Those guns should not be in the public’s hands. There are just too many guns.”

Connecticut Senator Wants Background Checks For Ammo Purchases

Senator Richard Blumenthal (R-Conn.) said he wants Federal legislation in addition to an assault weapons ban that would require instant background checks for the sale of ammunition. He is expected to take up the proposal once Congress reconvenes.

“They can be done in 30 seconds,” he said. “The vast majority are, and they would prevent people who should not have ammunition or firearms from actually buying it.”

On The Bright Side For 2nd Amendment: A Utah Town Is Making Armed Homes A Priority

Councilman Neil Sorensen of Spring City, Utah, proposed an ordinance requiring a gun in every household in the town of 1,000. The Council did not make it a requirement, but they unanimously agreed to move forward with an ordinance “recommending” the idea.

“It sends a statement that criminals better think twice,” Sorensen told The Associated Press. “If a teacher would have had a concealed weapon in Sandy Hook, I think the death loss would have been fewer. If sane, trained people had guns, they could have shot back.”

Here are links to a other gun control topics to help you stay abreast of the issue:

*In 1995 Attorney General Eric Holder discussed the need to “really brainwash people into thinking about guns in a vastly different way.”

 

 

Sam Rolley

Staff writer Sam Rolley began a career in journalism working for a small town newspaper while seeking a B.A. in English. After learning about many of the biases present in most modern newsrooms, Rolley became determined to find a position in journalism that would allow him to combat the unsavory image that the news industry has gained. He is dedicated to seeking the truth and exposing the lies disseminated by the mainstream media at the behest of their corporate masters, special interest groups and information gatekeepers.

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  • Vicki

    President Clinton says:
    “Clinton says. “Why does anybody need a 30-round clip for a gun?” Half of all deaths have occurred since the assault weapons ban expired, Clinton offers”

    Ignoring the offered proof by bald assertion (might be the report left out the proof) I would ask the President how many of the deaths that have occurred since the assault weapons ban expired were caused by people using ANY of the guns affected by the ban.

    And since President Clinton only said that half of ALL deaths have occurred I would like a list of which deaths and by what mechanism.

    • FreedomFighter

      Dont you love it when our leaders that are sworn to protect the constitution, blatently commit treason against the constitution?

      Bite-me Biden telling everyone, Our Marxist President wants to disarm you for your own good…all the while buying almost 2 billion rounds of ammo, arming DHS and other agencies with automatic weapons, armored cars, body armor, activating FEMA camps – buying guard dogs, employing personel to man the camps, buying — OVENS to cremate the dead bodies (of whom?).

      History clearly indicates, dictates and demonstrates that when a Marxist regime aquires control of any country they kill millions upon millions of citizens:

      Soon after registering firearms, then confiscation, then genocide. Done by every single Marxist regime.

      As firearms instructor Paul Howe wrote recently, history teaches us harsh lessons about government disarmament of citizens:

      In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

      In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

      Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.

      China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated

      Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

      Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

      Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

      Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.

      Those are 56 million deaths that fall onto the hands of people like Obama, Biden, Morgan, Bloomberg, Cuomo and anyone who calls for gun confiscation. YOU are the mass murderers who make the Sandy Hook shooting look like nothing in comparison.

      It now appears Obama is going to go down in history as the U.S. President who brought us to a second civil war, where the goal of the radical left is to exterminate anyone who believes in liberty.

      American are arming for war

      Lock and load, friends. The darkest chapter in American history is fast approaching.

      Obama to follow in footsteps of Hitler, Stalin with ‘executive order’ disarmament of the American people
      http://www.prisonplanet.com/obama-to-follow-in-footsteps-of-hitler-stalin-with-executive-order-disarmament-of-the-american-people.html

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

      • http://sbcglobal.net char51

        you are right, if you dont get this nut, out of the white he will become dictator, hes trying to do his best, to get read of the checkes and balances, of this county. we are becoming commie control, or we will be on the path of muslim. eather way we are screwed as a county. get these whack jobs out . pelose, reid, waters, finstine, and the rest of the socialist. stop putting them in office. and get the biggest marxist out of the w/h

      • mark

        More crazed paranoia from the extremist Right. Given your political/historical delusions, I believe you should have a psychiatric exam before being allowed to purchase a firearm.

      • JC

        “The president is going to act,” said Biden. “There are executives orders, there’s executive action that can be taken. We haven’t decided what that is yet. But we’re compiling it all with the help of the attorney general and the rest of the cabinet members as well as legislative action that we believe is required.”

        A Declaration of War.

      • eddie47d

        Well Freedom Fighter there are millions of Americans who feel the proliferation of weapons are making us a less safe society. That America is experiencing a slow death by easy access of guns. That we can no longer enjoy walking into a store or a movie theater because someone may be carrying a gun and that includes good guys and bad guys. The easy access and loose laws that give the bad guy the edge doesn’t set well with alot of Americans. The public knows that the pro-gun folks have 280 million weapons out there so if guns make us safer then why aren’t we safer. After Columbine a few laws were passed and then ignored and now we are back to square one with 20 of these mass murders per year. Too many Americans don’t want the thrill of a gun ruling their lives and dictating how they live their lives. Bold steps are needed now and they can’t be put off any longer. If school administrators want to be armed then that may be necessary since they have an obligation to their students safety. Gun free zones shouldn’t mean that a school has to be vulnerable and was originally meant that students couldn’t bring weapons to school for obvious reasons. Its not more guns that will make us safer but weapons in the right places to begin with.

      • JC

        mark says:

        January 10, 2013 at 7:46 am

        More crazed paranoia from the extremist Right. Given your political/historical delusions, I believe you should have a psychiatric exam before being allowed to purchase a firearm.
        ________________________________________________________________

        Paranoia? Explain how 56 million people were murdered in the 20th century…by their own governments after being disarmed…then let’s see you justify your “paranoia” remark.

      • eddie47d

        No JC it’s not “a declaration of war” but a declaration of common sense and sanity.

      • mark

        56 million Americans were NOT killed by their own government in the 20th century. They were foreign citizens killed by Nazi and Communist dictators who abolished all elections, opposition parties, freedom of religion, freedom of speech, free media, freedom to assembly, economic freedom, etc all of which we enjoy here in the United States and always will. Expanding background checks to gun shows, placing limits on multi-round magazines, and reintstating a ban on semi-automatic assault guns that existed for years in the past, involves no abolition of our fundamental freedoms under the Constitution. What you are expressing is extreme paranoia. But this psychiatric malady is so prevalent on this site, that it is practically the norm.

      • Steve E

        All men who want gun control are really girly men. They should have been born a woman.

      • Bill

        Mark,
        You are the one that should not own a firearm. Everything you do or say is knee jerk reaction and name calling. Imagine what would happen if you had a gun. You are too emotionally unstable to own a gun and you should turn in your guns immediately

        • redhawk

          Nice try, Bill. That’s just what you can expect from a government that’s outta control. Arbitrary decisions with no data or proof of anykind.

      • Bob

        You are exactly right they can’t pass a budget but they have no problem taking our rights away, buying extreme amounts of guns and ammo for themselves and killing innocent people with drones and spying on us. Why do all of these Jewish politicians want to take our guns away when their relatives died in the holocaust? We need to arm ourselves against our own government and it is becoming obvious at this point. Thanks to all of the patriotic people that still care about america and it’s future.

      • JC

        eddie47d says:

        January 10, 2013 at 8:48 am

        No JC it’s not “a declaration of war” but a declaration of common sense and sanity.
        ____________________________________________________________________
        No eddie, it’s the blatant disregard of a people’s basic and “enshrined” rights under a system of Justice … and that my communist little friend makes no sense whatsoever unless the goal is to enslave a nation.

      • JC

        mark says:

        January 10, 2013 at 9:29 am

        56 million Americans were NOT killed by their own government in the 20th century. They were foreign citizens killed by Nazi and Communist dictators who abolished all elections,
        _______________________________________________________________________
        Hitler was elected, but that’s irrelevant.
        The point you so carefully missed was that disarmed people get murdered by their own governments. History bears that out and your opiniuon is irrelevant in the face of “massive” evidence.

      • JC

        mark:

        who abolished all elections, opposition parties, freedom of religion, freedom of speech, free media, freedom to assembly, economic freedom, etc all of which we enjoy here in the United States and always will.
        ___________________________________________________________________

        “And always will”? Says who? you?
        Sorry mark, but I’ll take the history of the world over your opinion every time.
        Especially sinse your opinion isn’t at all well thought out and does not take the Globalist Agenda into account.

      • JeffH

        For as long as I’ve been alive the social elitist has been floating the term “Gun Control”.

        The first serious or official use of the term in the U.S. came from “Gun Control Act of 1968″.

        That act added to the previously existing Federal Government firearms restrictions put in place by the National Firearms Act of 1934.

        In both cases, opportunist politicians used a popular crisis to persuade the ignorant and mentally lazy that more laws would make the nation a ‘safer‘ place. In 1934 the crisis was gang-land violence brought on by Prohibition and in 1968 we were still dealing with the assassination of President Kennedy.

        Nothing New
        From a historical perspective, the term Gun Control is relatively new, but the concept and practice are as old as man himself. It is the determination of who can and cannot possess arms by whatever government happens to be in place. Civilian Disarmament in the history books dates back to the time of the Roman Empire. Fearing disobedience by the conquered Jews, Rome forbade them from owning swords.

        Moving to the Far East, in 1587 Toyotami Hideyoshi unified the various political factions of Japan and instituted the “Sword Hunt”. Farmers, or the peasant class, were forbidden to own swords, bows, spears, or any firearm. This ensured the continued separation of the ruling class from the peasants; the rulers from the ruled.

        Great Britain has a long and storied history of disarming those it feels unworthy or peasant class. British Parliament passed several versions of the Disarming Act from 1715 through 1746. Early on, the Scots were first forbidden to carry a sword in public then they were forbidden possess the sword or “any weapon of war”.

        Similarly, hoping to ensure absolute control over India, the British applied the Disarming Act to the Indian people forbidding them to own firearms.

        During more recent history Adolf Hitler and his Nazi Party passed their own version of the Gun Control in 1938 and forbid Jews and others they considered to be “undesirable“, or peasants, from owning firearms. If you don’t know how that turned out there is no hope for you.

        Keep in mind that during everyone of these instances, the ruling class put forth the laws as “reasonable” and “necessary“. Politicians consented and cast their vote to disarm those deemed unworthy of possessing arms.

        A person either favors civilian disarmament or they do not. It is no more complex than that. Those who wish to disarm you will deliberately cloud the issue with hyperbole about magazine capacity, action-types, etc. Never mind the fact that cities in the United States with the strictest gun control also have the highest violent crime rate or that areas where concealed carry by citizens is prevalent have the lowest violent crime. Those facts be damned. The first murder in recorded history was committed with a rock. Murder and suicide existed long before the invention of the firearm and will continue until this world stops turning.

        The question on the table is this: who should possess weapons, the government or the citizenry?

        Two-hundred and thirty years ago that question was answered in the United States very plainly and clearly. Innumerable documents written by the nation’s founders, not just the Bill of Rights, spell out the need for the citizen to be the final authority in a free nation.

        http://www.ammoland.com/2013/01/gun-control-the-soft-pill-for-disarmament/#ixzz2Hb4MOcaW

        • Bob

          What a great post expresses the opinion of the majority of constitution civli rights minded american patriots. Unlike our treasonous politicians. When is the congress going to start prosecuting them meaning obummer and Biden for starters?

      • mark

        JC and JeffH,

        No one is talking about disarming anyone. They are talking about ending the loophole on background checks at gun shows, limiting multi-round magazine clips to 10 bullets, and reinstating the Assault Gun Ban that existed from 1994 to 2004. You guys are off your rockers. In the 10 years when Assault Gun ban was enforced did the U.S. government take away all of its citizens’ rights to elections, religion,assembly, free media, private property, and trial by jury – and also kill tens of millions of U.S citizens in death camps? I lived in this country from 1994 to 2004 and I guess I must have missed this – the genocidal slaughter of tens of millions of innocent American citizens killed in death camps by the Bill Clinton and George W. Bush administrations from 1994-2004?

        And all of this occurred, of course, because Americans could no long purchase new semi-automatic assault guns. That is all the U.S. government is waiting for, salivating their lips every minute of every day, for just that moment when U.S. citizens can no longer buy semi-automatic assault weapons, and then they will swoop down from thousands of their helicopters, and round up tens of millions of their own citizens and mass execute them, whooping with glee! “See, we can do it now!,” they will all shout “because they can’t buy new semi-automatic assault rifles! This is the moment we’ve been waiting for. Every moment of our lives, we government security forces dream of killing tens of millions of Americans – BUT we just had to wait for this moment to fulfill our long-held plan now that they can’t buy anymore semi-automatic assault rifles!” I mean you guys are truly deranged with this off-the-charts, ludicrous pee-your-pants terror of your own government’s designs on its citizenry.

        But why did the feds do absolutely nothing in this direction from 1994-2004? After all, they had you all defenseless then? Could it be that this whole premise that you base your entire lives on is an absolute joke, the paranoid bogey-man dream of terrified and delusional children?

      • JC

        mark says:

        January 10, 2013 at 1:01 pm

        JC and JeffH,

        No one is talking about disarming anyone. They are talking about ending the loophole on background checks at gun shows,
        _______________________________________________________________________

        What loophole? Explain exactly how that works…this “loophole” you talk about.
        I didn’t bother reading any further than that as I’m well aware of your long winded drivel.

      • Howard C

        mark, The only one off their rocker here is you. Do facts means nothing to you?? Do you believe that they will stop with just a ban of new sales and a registry? They want a registry so that they know where to go when they are finally ready to start confiscating the guns that people do have. “Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it”.

      • mark

        Howard C, all the enemies of freedom have to do is seize the NRA’s membership list. Everyone who registers as a member of the NRA and goes in their computer bank provides all future dictators with a perfect list of pro-2nd Amendment gun owners. The finest and most complete list in America, much more comprehensive than any government registry list. If I’m a dictator who wants to overturn American freedom, I just go to th NRA main building in DC with my armed goons and get all the lists of all gunowners that I want.

      • mark

        JC, there is still an exemption from background checks for a criminal record or incarceration in a mental health facility at many gun shows in various states. A new law proposed by the Obama adminstration seeks to end this exemption loophole for gun shows and require that all those who purchase firearms at gun shows must submit to a background check.

      • momo

        Mark, how old are you 20 or so? Sure sounds like it. As for going for the NRA list, it only has 4 million mmembers, there are 85 million gun owners in the U.S.

      • eddie47d

        JC; Marks comments may be “long winded” but your remarks are always short and snarky!

      • JC

        From an NAGR Newsletter:

        Capitol Hill is flooded RIGHT NOW with faxes, petitions, postcards, phone calls, emails and letters from NAGR’s 1.8-million members and supporters.

        One Congressional office reported 9-to-1 grassroots opposition to gun control.

        Snark that up Commie boy.

      • JC

        mark says:

        January 10, 2013 at 2:06 pm

        JC, there is still an exemption from background checks for a criminal record or incarceration in a mental health facility at many gun shows in various states.
        _______________________________________________________________________

        No there isn’t. No State allows the legal sale of firearms to felons or mental patients.

      • Vicki

        mark says:
        “Given your political/historical delusions, I believe you should have a psychiatric exam before being allowed to purchase a firearm.”

        Which historical delusions would that be? The murder of more than 50 Million born people by their own governments is well documented and covers a range of supposed political associations. They ALL had ONE property in particular. 100% government.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4r0VUybeXY

        Now many believe that YOU should have a psychiatric exam based on your apparent irrational fear of inanimate objects. Are you not glad that we don’t have 100% government here with them in charge?

      • Vicki

        eddie47d says:
        “Well Freedom Fighter there are millions of Americans who feel the proliferation of weapons are making us a less safe society.”

        And they have every right to their FEELINGS. They also are the ONLY ones who have the POWER to feel more safe. No law can ever be passed to force them to change their feelings. No government power can be wielded to force them to feel safe should they choose not to feel safe.

        So to those millions of Americans I say TAKE BACK YOUR POWER. Don’t wait for Congress. Don’t wait for an executive order. Choose right NOW to NOT be afraid of your fellow law abiding citizens.

      • Vicki

        mark says:
        “56 million Americans were NOT killed by their own government in the 20th century. ”

        Having fun trying to change the subject which was PEOPLE killed by their government.

        Unfortunately your assertion is also provably in error.
        Depending on what the definition of “is” is we observe that in the 20th century there were over 50 MILLION abortions of Americans in the 20th century. Those murders were specifically permitted by American government.

      • Vicki

        eddie47d says:
        “That we can no longer enjoy walking into a store or a movie theater because someone may be carrying a gun and that includes good guys and bad guys.”

        Why can you no longer enjoy walking into a store or a movie theater? Nothing has really changed except those places were made GUN-FREE ZONES.

        eddie47d: ” The easy access and loose laws that give the bad guy the edge doesn’t set well with alot of Americans.”

        So many proofs by bald assertion.
        - easy access
        - loose laws
        - bad guy has an edge
        - how big a lot is.

        eddie47d: “The public knows that the pro-gun folks have 280 million weapons out there so if guns make us safer then why aren’t we safer.”

        We ARE safer. You just have not experienced the not safe condition. Normalcy bias.
        Try living in any of the following countries
        - South Africa: (31,000+ murders by people using guns.)
        - Colombia: (21,000+ murders by people using guns.)
        - Thailand: (20,000+ murders by people using guns.)
        - USA ( 9,000+ murders by people using guns.) Way behind.
        http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir-crime-murders-with-firearms

      • Vicki

        For Eddie47d. Civilian ownership of firearms in the above referenced countries.

        South Africa 12.72 firearms per 100 people (Regulations listed as restrictive)
        Colombia 5.92 firearms per 100 people (Regulations listed as restrictive)
        Thailand 15.62 firearms per 100 people (Regulations listed as restrictive)

        USA 88.82 firearms per 100 people (Regulations listed as permissive)

        http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms

      • Vicki

        mark says:
        “No one is talking about disarming anyone. ”

        Really? Are these people “no one”?
        http://dailycaller.com/2013/01/09/iowa-lawmaker-calls-for-retroactive-gun-bans-confiscations-of-semi-automatic-weapons/

      • JC

        JeffH Says:

        Great Britain has a long and storied history of disarming those it feels unworthy or peasant class. British Parliament passed several versions of the Disarming Act from 1715 through 1746. Early on, the Scots were first forbidden to carry a sword in public then they were forbidden possess the sword or “any weapon of war”.

        Similarly, hoping to ensure absolute control over India, the British applied the Disarming Act to the Indian people forbidding them to own firearms.
        ———————————————————————————————————-

        Further to that, a great humanitarian observed:

        “Among the many misdeeds of British rule in India, history will look
        upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest.”

        Mahatma Mohandas K. Gandhi

      • Vicki

        mark says:
        “No one is talking about disarming anyone. ”

        How about this Governer?
        “New York governor Andrew Cuomo says the state of New York is serious about gun confiscation.”
        http://www.infowars.com/new-york-gov-mandatory-gun-sale-to-state-and-confiscation-are-options/

      • Vicki

        Or this MSNBC host:
        MSNBC’s Ed Schultz Talks Gun ‘Confiscation’
        http://newsbusters.org/blogs/dan-gainor/2012/12/16/msnbc-s-ed-schultz-talks-gun-confiscation

      • Vicki

        Or This President.
        “In July 2012, the process by which this could take place was made clear in a leaked US Army Military Police training manual for “Civil Disturbance Operations” (PDF) dating from 2006.”
        Or this Acting President
        “Similar plans were also outlined in an updated manual released in 2010 entitled FM 3-39.40 Internment and Resettlement Operations.”

        Whole lot of nobodies there.

      • Vicki

        Link for the above reference to Presidents, Past and present.
        conservativebyte.com_2013_01_obama-blueprint-for-disarming-americans

        (change all ‘_’ to ‘/’ to make work)

      • CZ52

        ” In the 10 years when Assault Gun ban was enforced did the U.S. government take away all of its citizens’ rights to elections, religion,assembly, free media, private property, and trial by jury…”

        Could it be because the ban only applied to the future sale of certain classes of firearms? Could it be because there were approx. 1.5 million of the “banned” firearms in private hands that were grandfathered in? Could it be because there were still about 250 million other firearms in private hands?

        Of course it could.

      • eddie47d

        The typical trollops continue to insist that if you take high capacity magazines out of the picture somehow you will be less safe. Such lies such distortions and totally untrue!

    • http://realsustainability.wordpress.com realsustainability

      Herr Klinton employs an often used and effective technique. Say something loud enough and often enough and people will begin to actually beleive it, without any proof of any kind. It’s a form of brainwashing and that’s exactly what most of the news media does these days, too. Other more selfish agendas are really at work. For the media it’s about simple greed. Sensationalizing these unfortunate events stirs people up and it makes them money. In the halls of power, it just begets more power. Those folks in Washington no longer have we, the peoples best interests in mind. It’s their own lives they seek to agrandize and the more wealth & power they get the more they want. To use tragedy, of any kind, as a tool to increase your own situation is henous and THAT should be the response of congress to those that do so. But, when members congress depend on that same mechanism guess who gets left out? We do! Let’s see THEM do an act in good faith. If they really want gun control, let them lead the way. Start by dismissing their own body guards & SS and then by providing a time table for disarming every police officer in the nation, followed by the same for the military. While I’m at it, they can THEN pass a Constitutional ammendment that prohibiits them from rearming without the same for the general public. If they REALLY want gun control, then lead the damn way to it and do NOT issue a DEGREE that is clearly illegal. This will happen about the same time hell freezes over so I’ll just keep my guns, oiled & ready for service, just like my dad did. Herr Klinton may have many virtues but the truth isn’t one of them!

      • http://Aol.com CommonSense4America

        Clinton’s deer hunting days were of the two legged type of dears.

    • rendarsmith

      Why don’t we ask Bill Clinton why his secret service agents needed clips or why the jets he sent to Kosovo needed bombs?

      • Kate8

        Another dirty little secret only spoken among guv in private:

        “The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty. So let’s not have any native militia or native police. German troops alone will bear the sole responsibility for the maintenance of law and order throughout the occupied Russian territories, and a system of military strong-points must be evolved to cover the entire occupied country.” –Adolf Hitler, dinner talk on April 11, 1942, quoted in Hitler’s Table Talk 1941-44: His Private Conversations, Second Edition (1973), Pg. 425-426. Translated by Norman Cameron and R. H. Stevens. Introduced and with a new preface by H. R. Trevor-Roper. The original German papers were known as Bormann-Vermerke

    • BR549

      These traitors all talk big to their paramecium-brained audiences when it comes to gun control, but you never hear them focus on VIOLENCE control. I mean, the REAL issue hear is …… what makes one individual in our culture ignore some social bond and violate the space or life of another?

      If that douche, Biden, or any of those other mindless parasitic maggots had tried to address why violence might have been increasing (even though the US is comparatively low), sooner or later the finger of blame always comes back to piss-poor management skill, but you’ll never find the likes of him stepping up to the plate and admitting he was incompetent.

    • nickkin

      Let’s ask Clinton and all those other anti-gun minions that they confiscate the body-guards and security peoples guns too, that protect them. They could use paint-ball guns only in the color, “YELLOW”.

  • Motov

    Funny how guns have a mysterious power to control people, like other inanimate objects like knives, baseball bats, hammers, rocks, etc. Do they talk to people? Or cast some magical spell? So we gotta have laws against guns to prevent them from jumping into people’s hands and causing people to shoot at people? That makes as much sense as blaming shovels for the holes that get dug, Or those poor nails that get whacked by hammers, or killer trees that jump in front of cars, or,………

    When will they learn people kill people, and not guns kill people?

    • eddie47d

      You still don’t get it Motov do you? Sure all those items can kill yet they are always used in a fit of anger such as a kid picking up a rock and throwing it. Maybe a neighborhood squabble where a baseball bat is picked up and used against someone. I would never buy a hammer to kill someone would you? I could pick up a rock but there is a good chance that no harm would be done. The gun on the other hand is bought or used mainly to do harm. It’s main purpose is to kill or injure someone and to do it fast. If a person picks up a gun in anger he has only one thing in mind and that is too kill someone. Its extremely hard to kill 20 people with a knife or a rock but slick as a whistle with a gun. No kid or adult is going to go into a school or anyplace else and threatened dozens of people with a hammer to make his point but he can do it in record time with a semi-automatic! Thus the big difference in the means and the methods.

      • JC

        eddie47d says:

        January 10, 2013 at 8:21 am

        You still don’t get it Motov do you? Sure all those items can kill yet they are always used in a fit of anger such as a kid picking up a rock and throwing it. Maybe a neighborhood squabble where a baseball bat is picked up and used against someone
        ______________________________________________________________________

        You still don’t get it do you? The RIGHT to self defense and the defense of our SOVERIEGN Nation is hardwired into our DNA.
        No amount of paper and ink is going to change that and there is no debate.
        We will not be giving up our guns, our freedoms or our nation to a bunch of Liberal NAZI Animals.

      • eddie47d

        Grow up JC! You are not losing your right to defend yourself and all your hardwired name calling isn’t going to change that. Only an animal would allow so many weapons of mass killings to proliferate in a society that looks for instant gratification. Semi-automatics are the weapons of choice in these dastardly deeds and the perps always look for the quickest road to “fame”. That makes you as much of the problem as those who advocate a total ban on all means of self defense.

      • Pete

        In the deadliest school massacre in the U.S. history….NOT ONE SHOT WAS FIRED
        Research the Bath Michigan Massacre….Educate yourself

      • eddie47d

        The fact that people are killed with explosives doesn’t take away the need to be educated about the proliferation of other forms of killing. Not sure how a gun would have stopped an explosive device from going off since everyone was inside..

      • http://realsustainability.wordpress.com realsustainability

        Eddie, if someone has “fits of anger” like that they are already prohibited from buying a gun. Remember an ominous warning from history, “Those who would sacrafice their liberty for a little temporary security deserve neither liberty nor security.”. I think you’re in that camp. The absolute millions of people murdered by their goverments after gun control was enacted are real. My own people were hearded by the thousands into camps where their spirits, religions and bodies were absolutely broken and it was done by this government of the U.S. Don’t you dare tell anyone it can’t happen here. It already has! The Second Ammendment was put in place from the outset as a last resort to an out of control government. If you let this slide, by executive order your First Ammendnent rights will be gone next. Then the 4th, then the 5th. Then the America of our fathers, mothers, grand parents, greatgrand parents, etc will be gone. If you want your style of security, the Urapenis Union would welcome you. THIS IS AMERICA!

      • JC

        eddie47d says:

        January 10, 2013 at 8:43 am

        Grow up JC! You are not losing your right to defend yourself and all your hardwired name calling isn’t going to change that.
        __________________________________________________________________

        And my right to defend my nation from Communists and internal enemies such as yourself?
        Stick it commie boy…me and my semi-auto will be drawing the line in the sand.
        You idiots need to either shut up…or go away.

      • Bob

        Eddie you should move to N Korea or China you would fit right in you idiot!

      • Bill

        Eddie,
        I just saw an NBC news clip that reported that Adam Lanza had left his AR-15 in his car and did not use it in the shootings.

        Well, that settles it. It was not the assault weapon that killed the kids. So your argument that assualt wepons kills kids and no one should have one is invalid.

        Now, you do not have to push this agenda anymore and you are free to spend your time on other stupid subjects

        • Bob

          Eddies a Nazi!

      • phideaux

        ” Semi-automatics are the weapons of choice in these dastardly deeds and the perps always look for the quickest road to “fame”. That makes you as much of the problem as those who advocate a total ban on all means of self defense.”

        eddie’s true colors are showing. First he wanted to ban AR-15 rifles, then it was semi-auto rifles, now it is all semi-autos without distinction. How long will it be before he wants to ban all repeating firearms?

      • JeffH

        Good news — it has become known that hidden deep within the massive 2800-page bill called Obamacare there is a Senate Amendment protecting the right to keep and bear arms.

        It seems that in their haste to cram socialized medicine down the throats of the American people, then-Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) and Barack Obama overlooked Senate amendment 3276, Sec. 2716, part c.

        According to reports, that amendment says the government cannot collect “any information relating to the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition.”

        CNN is calling it “a gift to the nation’s powerful gun lobby.”

        And according to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV), that’s exactly right. He says he added the provision in order to keep the NRA from getting involved in the legislative fight over Obamacare, which was so ubiquitous in 2010.

        http://www.ammoland.com/2013/01/obamacare-amendment-forbids-gun-registration/#ixzz2Hb5UZzqL

        • http://realsustainability.wordpress.com realsustainability

          GREAT! observation, Jeff! This congress is so outta control they trip over their own feet. Unfortunately, it’s likely just like the Second Ammendment. An inconvenient truth (sorr,y Al!). Only one more law to ignore and Harry Reid know it.

      • JeffH

        JC says “We will not be giving up our guns, our freedoms or our nation to a bunch of Liberal NAZI Animals.”

        Hear, hear!

      • JC

        JeffH says:

        January 10, 2013 at 12:06 pm

        Good news — it has become known that hidden deep within the massive 2800-page bill called Obamacare there is a Senate Amendment protecting the right to keep and bear arms.
        ______________________________________________________________________

        JeffH…Buddy you just made my Day!
        I’ll have to figure out how to hook up and buy you a drink next time in in California.

      • JeffH

        JC, if you make it to Central California, anywhere close to the Modesto to Bakersfield Hwy99 corridor you can email me @ hattles@live.com and we can figure it out from there. Always willing to share time and a drink with a true American patriot.

      • http://jmcgraphicdesignworks.wordpress.com jcfromdc

        The weakest of weak arguments yet, and one of the oldest and most useless.

      • Frank Kahn

        I need some help here, can anyone tell me which type of logical fallacy this statement is?

        “The gun on the other hand is bought or used mainly to do harm. It’s main purpose is to kill or injure someone and to do it fast.”

        I know the second sentence is hyperbole but is it proof by bald assertion?

        i know the anti gun advocates always use the post hoc ergo propter hoc logical fallacy but I am not sure how to name eddie’s obviously wrong assertion.

        This is not the first time that he has made that insane statement that guns are bought to kill people. I said before that I dont remember thinking “hmmm I wonder how many people I can kill if I buy this gun.”.

        Then he tries to mask his rhetoric with words like sensible and reasonable.

        I have an idea, lets be reasonable and very sensible, when they move against us to take away our right to bear arms, lets put the people like eddie and flashy out as our front line defense. That way eddie can stop them with his, lets be reasonable here, speech.

      • JC

        Frank Kahn says:

        January 10, 2013 at 1:35 pm

        I need some help here, can anyone tell me which type of logical fallacy this statement is?

        “The gun on the other hand is bought or used mainly to do harm. It’s main purpose is to kill or injure someone and to do it fast.”
        ___________________________________________________________________

        It could be seen as a simple statement of fact I suppose.
        And it can be used in a debate by either party depending on the context.

        Yes guns are made to kill. Animals mostly, but people as well unfortunately.
        As long as people with evil in their hearts can have full auto assault rifles…I want one too.
        But I’ll settle for the semi-auto as it is a more efficient use of ammunition anyway. ;-)

        • Frank Kahn

          Since I want to believe that you are being genuine and honest, I am re-posting my quote from eddie along with your response

          I need some help here, can anyone tell me which type of logical fallacy this statement is?


          “The gun on the other hand is bought or used mainly to do harm. It’s main purpose is to kill or injure someone and to do it fast.”

          ___________________________________________________________________

          You said: “It could be seen as a simple statement of fact I suppose.
          And it can be used in a debate by either party depending on the context.

          Yes guns are made to kill. Animals mostly, but people as well unfortunately.
          As long as people with evil in their hearts can have full auto assault rifles…I want one too.
          But I’ll settle for the semi-auto as it is a more efficient use of ammunition anyway.”

          There are 2 (two) sentences from Eddie in my quote of him. While the first sentence is a simple statement of fact, the second one is the one in question. He says that it’s main purpose is to KILL or INJURE SOMEONE, the word someone implies human. While I will agree that he is correct concerning guns bought by the government for military use, I disagree with that being true for civilian purchases.

          I will agree with most of your reply, with one exception, full auto assault rifles (machine guns) are not available for general consumption. It requires a federal license with associated background checks and registration. Most people with evil in their hearts dont bother to take the amount of time and paperwork required to legally obtain such a weapon.

          You are correct about the efficient use of ammunition, machine guns are usually used for suppressing fire in combat. Not really intended for mass killing, just to force the enemy to stay down and stay put.

          I would like to have a military type fully automatic weapon for emergency use against tyranny too, but my choice would be more relevant to repelling a military style aggression. I would want a mini-gun, 20mm would be nice with about 20,000 rounds of API ammo. Gotta get them tanks. It would also work well against an aircraft assault.

      • Kate8

        How about considering that guns in the hands of good people are for the purpose of PREVENTING harm, to themselves, their families… or maybe…you?

        There will always be those who are willing to commit crimes against people. There is no better defense than a gun, and most often just the sight of one will foil an aggressor.

        Not to mention that it is the ONLY hope of defense against a run-amok government.

      • Kate8

        Liberals will always throw out half-baked statements which appear true on their face, but are only partially true. They don’t follow through with the logical conclusions. This is done to confuse and deceive.

        Just listen to their arguments. Those who sign on to them are incapable of logical thought processing, courtesy of our dumbed-down indoctrination programs we call public schools, and are always geared toward an agenda that targets our Rights and freedoms.

      • eddie47d

        JC: The only thing you enjoy drawing is blood and your comments can attest to that. Okay “boy”!

      • eddie47d

        Still in denial Frank in what you bought your weapon for? Was it for sweetness and Cherry pie? I don’t think so!

        • Frank Kahn

          Which weapon are you referring to eddie? My three hunting knives, two compound bows, nunchucks (nunchaku), .45 semi-automatic pistol, 2 AR-15, 30-30, 30-06, 308, .41 magnum pistol, .22 semi-auto pistol, 3 .22 cal rifles (one bolt the other two semi), razor broad head arrows, mortars (fireworks), nail gun, axe, hatchet, really powerful car?

          Lets see, in order, deer, deer, fun, target practice / protection, rabbits/coyote, deer, deer, deer / elk, protection, rabbits/squirrels/birds, rabbits/birds/coyote, deer, fun, building, cutting down trees, chopping wood, drag racing.

          Now, with the exception of the car, they can all be used as defense, and even the car could be used for the flight form of defense.

          So, the only violence indicated is hunting animals, not humans. I count 11 guns, which dont include the 7 I inherited, which were never used nor intended to be used to criminally injure or kill someone. They never have been, and never will be locked up in a safe. Nobody has ever stolen one. One of the semi auto .22 cal pistols was brandished against a road rage aggressor, and the .45 was used to discourage a home invasion. I have 6 30 round magazines for the AR-15′s. Bought those two rifles back in the late 70′s for a little over $200.00 and can make a hell of a profit today.

          I am military trained and qualified in marksmanship on the M-16 both semi and full auto, M60 machine gun, AK-47 (the real fully automatic version), RPG, LAW, Thumper (form of grenade launcher often combined with M-16) and hand grenades. I also learned how to breakdown, clean and maintain .50 cal machine guns. In the Army I was trained in deadly force self defense. In Italy we had to say “alt o sparrow” halt or I will shoot, before engagement. Our weapons were on full auto when issuing that warning, failure to comply was instant death. None of that training makes me a blood thirsty killer, it just means I was properly trained to act responsibly when defending myself and my charges. The same training is valid in protecting my freedoms from people or tyrannical government.

      • eddie47d

        Phideaux: I haven’t changed my mind on what I original said so why say differently. You ASSume too much!

      • eddie47d

        Bob; Your a lying slanderer and would be far more comfortable in N. Korea. There your gun can be used to control even more of the populace!

      • eddie47d

        Slick BILL: I never mentioned an AR-15 in any discussion on Lanza so you are confused again! I did mention the Bushmaster .223 but no AR-15.

        • Frank Kahn

          A bushmaster is the same as an AR-15, only cosmetic differences, the rifle barrel and mechanism is identical.

      • JC

        Eddie you idiot,
        An “AR-15 Bushmaster” is what all the fuss is about!
        All the unjustified overhyped fuss…..
        Because it was NOT used at Sandy Hook…unless maybe those nasty
        ol “rouge dealers” did that too…..

      • Vicki

        Frank Kahn says:
        “I need some help here, can anyone tell me which type of logical fallacy this statement is?

        “The gun on the other hand is bought or used mainly to do harm. It’s main purpose is to kill or injure someone and to do it fast.”

        I know the second sentence is hyperbole but is it proof by bald assertion?”

        It is proof by bald assertion as is the first sentence.

        “The gun is bought or used mainly to do harm.”
        “its main purpose is to kill or injure someone and to do it fast”

        No evidence is provided to prove either assertion and the speaker is intent on having you, the reader, fill in with emotion what your media and school brainwashing has prepared you for.

        A gun has one single purpose. To propel a rock (usually made of 1 or 2 elements) into stable ballistic flight. As with any tool the use of this ability is in the will of the person handling the tool.

        Now in my case I have a gun so I will NOT have to kill someone.
        http://www.pulpless.com/gunclock/kleck2.html
        “Combining the defensive killings and nonfatal wounding, there are about 7,700 to 18,500 reported legal shootings of criminals a year, which would be less than 1% of all defensive gun uses. The rest of defensive gun uses, then, involve neither killings nor wounding but rather misses, warning shots fired, or guns used to threaten, by pointing them or verbally referring to them. “

      • JC

        Statement From the NRA Regarding Today’s
        White House Task Force Meeting

        ” Fairfax, Va. – The National Rifle Association of America is made up of over 4 million moms and dads, daughters and sons, who are involved in the national conversation about how to prevent a tragedy like Newtown from ever happening again. We attended today’s White House meeting to discuss how to keep our children safe and were prepared to have a meaningful conversation about school safety, mental health issues, the marketing of violence to our kids and the collapse of federal prosecutions of violent criminals.

        We were disappointed with how little this meeting had to do with keeping our children safe and how much it had to do with an agenda to attack the Second Amendment. While claiming that no policy proposals would be “prejudged,” this Task Force spent most of its time on proposed restrictions on lawful firearms owners – honest, taxpaying, hardworking Americans. It is unfortunate that this Administration continues to insist on pushing failed solutions to our nation’s most pressing problems. We will not allow law-abiding gun owners to be blamed for the acts of criminals and madmen. Instead, we will now take our commitment and meaningful contributions to members of congress of both parties who are interested in having an honest conversation about what works – and what does not.”

        As expected, the gun grabbers just want to get on with gun confiscation…
        to hell with those stupid … “facts”.

      • phideaux

        “Phideaux: I haven’t changed my mind on what I original said so why say differently.”

        So, eddie admits he has always to ban ALL semi-auto firearms and after that is accomplished will call for the banning of repeating firearms.

      • nickkin

        They could also go on the internet and learn how to make a bomb dumbo….on the other side, guns are used to protect but than I see that you recognize everyone as the enemy. Duck eddie, your in someones gun sight.

      • http://Arkybill.comworkinprogress. Bill Henry

        Did the terrorists in the planes that destroyed the twin towers use guns to kill thousands of people. Don’t try to tell me that you can’t control a couple of hundred people with a box cutter. It has happened and the only people who did react in a defensive manner were killed in the attempt. There is only one purpose of those who espouse gun control, and that is eventual confiscation. If that is not the purpose the why would the regime that is now in power wish to become signatories of the UN arms control treaty? I usually don’t engage in debate with liberals because they and their agenda are unassailable with facts, evidence, and past history, I will leave you with a quote from the past history of this country which is as applicable to the calls for gun control with the ambition of disarming the citizenry of this United States of America as it was when it was in 1775.

        St. John’s Church, Richmond, Virginia
        March 23, 1775.

        MR. PRESIDENT: No man thinks more highly than I do of the patriotism, as well as abilities, of the very worthy gentlemen who have just addressed the House. But different men often see the same subject in different lights; and, therefore, I hope it will not be thought disrespectful to those gentlemen if, entertaining as I do, opinions of a character very opposite to theirs, I shall speak forth my sentiments freely, and without reserve. This is no time for ceremony. The question before the House is one of awful moment to this country. For my own part, I consider it as nothing less than a question of freedom or slavery; and in proportion to the magnitude of the subject ought to be the freedom of the debate. It is only in this way that we can hope to arrive at truth, and fulfil the great responsibility which we hold to God and our country. Should I keep back my opinions at such a time, through fear of giving offence, I should consider myself as guilty of treason towards my country, and of an act of disloyalty toward the majesty of heaven, which I revere above all earthly kings.

        Mr. President, it is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren till she transforms us into beasts. Is this the part of wise men, engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty? Are we disposed to be of the number of those who, having eyes, see not, and, having ears, hear not, the things which so nearly concern their temporal salvation? For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst, and to provide for it.

        I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided; and that is the lamp of experience. I know of no way of judging of the future but by the past. And judging by the past, I wish to know what there has been in the conduct of the British ministry for the last ten years, to justify those hopes with which gentlemen have been pleased to solace themselves, and the House? Is it that insidious smile with which our petition has been lately received? Trust it not, sir; it will prove a snare to your feet. Suffer not yourselves to be betrayed with a kiss. Ask yourselves how this gracious reception of our petition comports with these war-like preparations which cover our waters and darken our land. Are fleets and armies necessary to a work of love and reconciliation? Have we shown ourselves so unwilling to be reconciled, that force must be called in to win back our love? Let us not deceive ourselves, sir. These are the implements of war and subjugation; the last arguments to which kings resort. I ask, gentlemen, sir, what means this martial array, if its purpose be not to force us to submission? Can gentlemen assign any other possible motive for it? Has Great Britain any enemy, in this quarter of the world, to call for all this accumulation of navies and armies? No, sir, she has none. They are meant for us; they can be meant for no other. They are sent over to bind and rivet upon us those chains which the British ministry have been so long forging. And what have we to oppose to them? Shall we try argument? Sir, we have been trying that for the last ten years. Have we anything new to offer upon the subject? Nothing. We have held the subject up in every light of which it is capable; but it has been all in vain. Shall we resort to entreaty and humble supplication? What terms shall we find which have not been already exhausted? Let us not, I beseech you, sir, deceive ourselves. Sir, we have done everything that could be done, to avert the storm which is now coming on. We have petitioned; we have remonstrated; we have supplicated; we have prostrated ourselves before the throne, and have implored its interposition to arrest the tyrannical hands of the ministry and Parliament. Our petitions have been slighted; our remonstrances have produced additional violence and insult; our supplications have been disregarded; and we have been spurned, with contempt, from the foot of the throne. In vain, after these things, may we indulge the fond hope of peace and reconciliation. There is no longer any room for hope. If we wish to be free² if we mean to preserve inviolate those inestimable privileges for which we have been so long contending²if we mean not basely to abandon the noble struggle in which we have been so long engaged, and which we have pledged ourselves never to abandon until the glorious object of our contest shall be obtained, we must fight! I repeat it, sir, we must fight! An appeal to arms and to the God of Hosts is all that is left us!

        They tell us, sir, that we are weak; unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance, by lying supinely on our backs, and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot? Sir, we are not weak if we make a proper use of those means which the God of nature hath placed in our power. Three millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us. Besides, sir, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations; and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us. The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. Besides, sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the plains of Boston! The war is inevitable²and let it come! I repeat it, sir, let it come.

        It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace²but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!

        ——————————————————————————–

        Source: Wirt, William. Sketches of the Life and Character of Patrick Henry . (Philadelphia) 1836, as reproduced in The World’s Great Speeches, Lewis Copeland and Lawrence W. Lamm, eds., (New York) 1973.

    • mark

      Rocks, knives, hammers, and baseball bats have other primary purposes besides killing people. Guns on the other hand are designed and manufactured solely for the purpose of killing other human beings and animals. That is their primary purpose. Just as the primary purpose of a hammer is to drive nails, and the primary purpose of a baseball bat is to hit baseballs. This is also true for cars whose primary purpose is to transport people and cargo, not to kill people, even though in accidents they often do. Don’t you get it?

      • Motov

        I’ll admit that guns are the preferred weapon of choice for murder, so what would you choose to defend yourself with? How about a blowgun?, or maybe lawn darts? rubber bands?
        Besides I think your chances of getting killed in a car is greater than getting shot.
        Laws do NOT protect people from criminals, a gun would provide better protection, than a cop who may be a mile from you. So yes I do get it.
        Taking guns away from law abiding citizens is not only a stupid idea, It will invite law breaking criminals to do more criminal activities, without fear of getting shot in the process.

      • roger

        I know, let’s just push our tormentors out of high-rise windows. Yeah, that’s the ticket.

      • CZ52

        “Guns on the other hand are designed and manufactured solely for the purpose of killing other human beings and animals.”

        Ho Hum, another LIE from mark. Note his use of “solely” There are MANY MANY firearms manufactured specificaly for accurate target shooting. Those firearms come in all action types single shot, bolt action, pump, and semi-auto. They also come in calibers ranging from .17 HRM to 50 BMG.

      • JeffH

        December 19th, 2012
        My Personal Pledge of Resistance Against Any Attemp to Disarm Us by Means of an “Assault Weapons Ban”.

        The Queen of Battle, and her modern descendants, are the birth-right of every American.

        “Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force: Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined.” – Patrick Henry

        My conscience, and the urgency of our current situation, compel me to speak out. The victim disarmament freaks are now telling us that they don’t want to disarm us- oh, no! They just want to take away our “assault weapons” – our semi-automatic, magazine fed, military-style rifles – and the “high capacity” magazines that feed them. They want us to believe that so long as we can own some kind of firearm, after our semi-auto military rifles are taken, we are not disarmed. That is a LIE.

        I Stewart Rhodes, as an American, as a military veteran, and as a father, pledge the following:

        I hereby reaffirm my oath to defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and pledge my life, my fortune, and my sacred honor in defense of the principles of liberty enunciated in our Declaration of Independence, for which our forefathers spilled their blood. We will not let the Republic fall without a fight.

        What say you?

        Stewart Rhodes

        Founder of Oath Keepers

        Read more at:
        http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2012/12/19/my-personal-pledge-of-resistance-against-any-attemp-to-disarm-us-by-means-of-an-assault-weapons-ban/

      • mark

        But no one is talking about taking away guns. They are talking about ending the no background check loophole at guns shows, the ability to purchase magazine clips with over 10 bullets, and reinstating the semi-automatic Assault Gun ban that existed from 1994-2004. That is all the politicians are debating – not talking away everyone’s guns.

      • momo

        mark, that’s where it begins, closing loopholes, outlawing so called assault weapons, but it won’t stop there. Those who want to disarm Americans will continue to push the envelope to include other types of arms. Think it can’t happen? Try demonstrating on federal property, HR 347 made it a crime. Isn’t that a limitation of your first amendment rights? They don’t even need a warrant to conduct a search of your home, they don’t need reasonable cause, just a suspicion, thanks to the (un)Patriot Act.

      • eddie47d

        MOMO; Go back to arming James Holmes and leave us decent folk alone!

      • Kate8

        momo – mark is another shill, and he is paid to promote the government propaganda.

        Shills are not paid to be reasonable or to be swayed by facts. They are paid (and, I understand, paid quite well) to shill for the government agenda. They are trained to use tactics like ridicule, discrediting, denying and, sometimes, even befriending. They are sworn to deny that they are paid shills. They do not have to even believe what they are saying…they are, in fact, chosen for their lack of any interest or understanding of the political process and the principles for which it stands.

        It seems that this same paying people off to betray their countrymen is occuring everywhere, most startlingly in law enforcement. And, of course, the increasing number of government jobs… All paid for with OUR money and used against us. Those who sign on with the feds are paid more money to buy their loyalty, and this is increasing all over.

        It is sad that it has always been the case that, especially when jobs are scarce (by design), you can get people to turn on their own people by offering them money. I understand the need to feed one’s family, but such people have to be aware that they are ALWAYS eliminated when their usefulness has expired. Probably just as well, as they’ll have to live with knowing their role in senseless slaughter of innocent people.

        People who can be bought cannot be trusted by anyone. That goes for politicians, as well. How foolish people are who think they will be rewarded by those who use them to do evil. I guess they’ve never heard the saying that there is no honor among thieves. This goes for criminals of all stripes.

      • JC

        eddie47d says:
        January 10, 2013 at 3:11 pm
        MOMO; Go back to arming James Holmes and leave us decent folk alone!
        ________________________________________________________________

        Hysterical, maybe?
        And there’s absolutely nothing decent about a bunch of NAZI control freaks.

      • eddie47d

        Then stop shoving your guns down our throats JC! You all controlling freakazoid!

      • JC

        eddie47d says:
        January 10, 2013 at 10:24 pm
        Then stop shoving your guns down our throats JC! You all controlling freakazoid!
        ______________________________________________________________________

        Yeah right eddie…all us law abiding citizens who just want to be left alone are shoving our guns down your throat…You really are one crazy bastard.

      • eddie47d

        Can’t match you being a slick shyster JC!

    • Steve E

      The left always talk about paranoia, but they are paranoid of guns, big time.

      • JC

        Exactly Steve…what do we have to be afraid of? “We Have Guns” lol

    • Motov

      Eddie I can very easily make a flame thrower using one of those one gallon pump sprayers, Just make sure you buy one with a metal wand, alcohol or gasoline (or both) a lighter designed to light grills and you have a powerful weapon. the Human mind can come up with many different ways to achieve goals. If we start going down that road buying anything will be monitored by “Big Brother”. If you don’t believe me, Why is it every one still has to remove their shoes at the airport? Do you want to get the third degree every time you buy gasoline to cut your grass? Or explain the bleach is for your laundry?

    • Larry K.

      it’s the da*m government and it’s drug companies that are and is causing these mass killings, why can’t these people realize this, are they that da*m stupid, have they brained washed them that much?

  • JC

    Among those who wrote to tell me that they had also drawn their personal line in the sand on this issue and that they would also absolutely refuse to register or surrender their firearms were people from virtually all walks of life: attorneys, realtors, bankers, teachers, physicians, civil servants, salesmen, truck drivers, tradesmen, pastors, law enforcement officers (including federal police officers), and military personnel–even special forces troops. Accordingly, I am absolutely convinced that these people are a microcosm of gun owners nationwide. I am also convinced that should Senator Dianne Feinstein’s bill banning semi-automatic rifles become law that there are literally tens of millions of Americans who simply will not comply.

    Furthermore, former presidential candidate Pat Buchanan recently told John McLaughlin that should the federal government attempt to confiscate the guns of the American people, “There would be a revolution in this country!”

    http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin735.htm

    • eddie47d

      Pat Buchanan is notorious for making outrageous statements and to sensationalize everything so we should all look beyond what he has to say. There’s a Professor,James Tracy who teaches at Atlantic University in Florida who made the claim that Sandy Hook was a staged event with live actors and that no one died. It would be extremely difficult to hide the deaths of 20 children under any circumstance. Yet that kind of claptrap and misinformation has become normal among Americans and is just as big of danger as what Lanza did.

      • http://realsustainability.wordpress.com realsustainability

        Eddie47, If you and your folks don’t want a gun don’t buy one. There is not one law or posted sign that would have prevented the tragedy at Sandy Hook. Remember the ominous warning from history, “Those who would trade their liberty for some temporary security deserve neither liberty nor security.” The proof is before your eyes yet you can’t see. Give the government our guns and they WILL turn on you! The Second Ammendment to the U.S. Constitution was put in place as a last resort for dealing with an out of control government. I promise you if you let this one slide,by executive order, YOUR first Ammendment rights will be among the next, and then the 4th, and then the 5th, …… And then the America of our fathers and mothers will be gone. You wanna be like the Urapenis Union? Then move THERE! THIS IS AMERICA!

      • JC

        Really eddie? has anyone seen the bodies? The ones the “supposedly” snuck out of the school in the wee hours of the night? The parents still hadn’t seen them at that point…so where are they?

      • JeffH

        Guns Don’t Kill People, Society Does
        - John Wills January 8, 2013
        http://www.officer.com/article/10849956/guns-dont-kill-people-society-does

        This posting is copied from a law enforcement OFFICER website

        The usual, tired refrain for gun control is the expected hue and cry as an answer to the Newton tragedy.

        Regarding the suggestion of having armed police officers in schools, I am a huge proponent of the idea. Some schools balk at the notion, explaining that an armed person is intimidating and threatening to the children. Really? Others, like school boards and/or city council members say it’s too expensive. My response: what is the life of a child worth? Instead of spending money on SUVs for these folks and sending them on political junkets, why not spend the money on salaries for cops?

      • eddie47d

        I can’t cure your sickness JC not even Jesus would be capable !

      • JC

        eddie47d says:

        January 10, 2013 at 3:13 pm

        I can’t cure your sickness JC not even Jesus would be capable !
        ______________________________________________________________________

        You can’t answer any direct questions either. You haven’t the intelligence for it.

      • eddie47d

        You have to ask a reasonable and intelligent question first JC and you failed miserably!

      • JC

        Ok eddie.
        I’ll try again… where are the bodies and why didn’t anyone see them?
        Seems like it should be an easy enough question to answer.

        But then again, you’re completely incapable of critical conclusive thinking.
        You’re programming is complete isn’t Kamrade? (raving lunatic)

      • Larry K.

        with no 1st. amendment, 2nd., 3rd. 4th. amendment and gov.turning on americans makes you wonder why save the children? what hellish country is the gov. making for it’s people, what kind of country are we bring our children up in?

      • eddie47d

        There you go again JC making up stories than Newtown didn’t happen and expecting folks to believe you or was it actors putting on a play as some have said or the ATF did the killing. These false stories are a dime a dozen and your mind has swelled with the overflow!

    • Steve E

      I know for a fact there would be a revolution if they tried to confiscate guns. But you won’t see Flashy, eddie, Mark and others around trying to take them. They will be hiding in their closets in fear.

      • JC

        Damned straight they will. Cowards and traitors all of them.

      • ranger09

        Steve, Back in the 1700s we had a word for people like this, And yes Coward and Traitors. These are the same people that turned againest their own people in england and france, and other countries overran by the invaders during ww2. The People in America have always been Free because every house is a Fort. When we allow our Govt to disarm us the people, We will no longer be safe from within or from without. History has proven this.

      • eddie47d

        I’m out in the open boys and not hiding in fear! That should make me an easy target for you guys so have at it !

      • JeffH

        eddie says “I’m out in the open boys and not hiding in fear! That should make me an easy target for you guys so have at it!”

        You’re right on all counts eddie. You’re just stupid enough to display your total ignorance for all to see and you have made your self an easy target, an easy mark for ridicule by posting comments that clearly show that you are dumber than a “sack of hammers”.

      • eddie47d

        No Jeff H I’m simply not afraid of your lies or your attacks. Why should I be?

    • http://realsustainability.wordpress.com realsustainability

      Line in the sand, hell! It’s carved as deep into granite as glacial striations and just as deep into our heritage! And thanks JC. I do take your excellent point!

      Statistic of interest 99.99% of guns in the U.S. killed nobody last week (and this week so far). Speaking of stinking turds, let’s see just how far the media will run with this. All they ever publish is that 0.001% and absolutely ignore the rest. There are tons of things that kill way more than guns.The only logic that can explain why guns are the pet project of the media is that they can sensationalise tragedy into something way more so they can make boatloads of money on it. The chief lawenforcer of the country gets away with murder everyday and with NO remorse. His butt buddy sees to it he’s protected by “executive priviledge”.Disgusting…..

      Lock ‘n load!

    • mark

      But no one is proposing this – taking away people’s guns. This is a complete lie which Buchanan specializes in – to fire up the conservative base.

      • JC

        And I suppose now you want us to believe that there will be no new restrictions either?
        Yeah…sure.

      • DAVIDA47

        THEY WANT EM ALL
        Our main agenda is to have all guns banned. We must use whatever means possible. It doesn’t matter if you have to distort the facts or even lie. Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when those who would resist us have been totally disarmed.”
        Sara Brady
        Chairman, Handgun Control Inc, to Senator Howard Metzenbaum
        The National Educator, January 1994

      • JC

        FeinStein has said she wants them all too.

  • http://realsustainability.wordpress.com realsustainability

    These ELECTED officials don’t know what they’re doing. Forcing this nonsense on the population will cause more destruction and loss of life than they can imagine! Look at the statistics in Australia, for example. This may well be the start of another fight for indepence. My guns aren’t going anywhere but up some grabbers whiney a**!

    • eddie47d

      There was no total gun ban in Australia either and the incidences of mass killings plunged to zero after a long streak of 11. The banning of some high capacity weapons has nothing to do with the large increase of rapes or even robberies occurring in Australia.

      • Bill

        Eddie,
        Blah, Blah, Blah, Guns are bad. Yeah, we have heard your liberal thoughts before… Yawn

        • http://realsustainability.wordpress.com realsustainability

          A LONG streak of 11. How about the wayyy longer streak of governments disarming their own people and then murdering them by the millions? Give it up, Eddie and move to your Nirvana, I mean Australia.

      • http://realsustainability.wordpress.com realsustainability

        Well, it was a post from an Australian that DID blame the rise in statistics you just mentioned on gun control. I wish your Nirvana existed but the fact is there are folks out there who will not obey any law and we don’t have the resources even to catch THEM. Can you imagine what it will take to disarm MILLIONS of lawbiding Americans? This is pie in the sky and denies the reality of human nature. The Christian faith even says that man is born in sin…… we choose to do right. The absolute law of the land that set the course of this country says we have the right to own a gun or 10. Any actions to the contrary are breaking the law and is high treason!

        Dictionary entry details

        • HIGH TREASON (noun)

        Meaning:

        A crime that undermines the offender’s government

        Classified under:

        Nouns denoting acts or actions

        Synonyms:

        high treason; lese majesty; treason

        Hypernyms (“high treason” is a kind of…):

        crime; law-breaking ((criminal law) an act punishable by law; usually considered an evil act

        • Bob

          These politicians like Biden and Feinstein should be tried for treason as well as the majority of the rest of them for their assault on our rights and selling us out to corporate fascists!

      • JC

        eddie47d says:

        January 10, 2013 at 8:56 am

        There was no total gun ban in Australia either and the incidences of mass killings plunged to zero after a long streak of 11. The banning of some high capacity weapons has nothing to do with the large increase of rapes or even robberies occurring in Australia.
        _______________________________________________________________________

        Australia shoots to having the highest rate of crime in the western world after the gun confiscation…but that doesn’t compute for eddie the rocket scientist…sell it down the road moron. People with any intelligence at all can see there is a direct correlation.

      • JeffH

        Crime Statistics – Murders with firearms (most recent) by country

        Rank Countries Amount
        # 1 South Africa: 31,918
        Crime in South Africa

        # 2 Colombia: 21,898
        Crime in Colombia

        # 3 Thailand: 20,032
        Crime in Thailand

        # 4 United States: 9,369
        Crime in United States

        # 5 Philippines: 7,708
        Crime in Philippines

        # 6 Mexico: 2,606
        Crime in Mexico

        # 7 Slovakia: 2,356
        Crime in Slovakia

        # 8 El Salvador: 1,441
        Crime in El Salvador

        # 9 Zimbabwe: 598
        Crime in Zimbabwe

        # 10 Peru: 442
        ____________________________________________________
        Crime Statistics > Gun violence > Homicides > Overall homicide rate > per 100,000 pop. (most recent) by country

        Rank Countries Amount
        # 1 South Africa: 125.965
        Crime in South Africa

        # 2 Colombia: 114.5083
        Crime in Colombia

        # 3 Guatemala: 43.9737
        Crime in Guatemala

        # 4 Thailand: 41.4695
        Crime in Thailand

        # 5 Paraguay: 19.3959
        Crime in Paraguay

        # 6 Mexico: 17.7735
        Crime in Mexico

        # 7 Belarus: 13.44
        Crime in Belarus

        # 8 Lithuania: 12.2598
        Crime in Lithuania

        # 9 Zimbabwe: 11.9841
        Crime in Zimbabwe

        # 10 Estonia: 11.9795

        @ # 14 United States: 9.1
        Crime in United States
        http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_gun_vio_hom_ove_hom_rat_per_100_pop-rate-per-100-000-pop

      • eddie47d

        You have one heck of an immagination JC. Go back to sleep and nap with Bill!

      • JC

        eddie47d says:

        January 10, 2013 at 3:18 pm

        You have one heck of an immagination JC. Go back to sleep and nap with Bill!
        _______________________________________________________________________

        So what is it eddie…prozac? ritalin? alcohol? how did you end up a complete idiot?

      • eddie47d

        Don’t need drugs semi-automatics or booze so what is your excuse JC?

      • JC

        “Barking Mad”…communist

  • dan

    When you allow someone to tell you what you “need”, you become a subject…not a citizen. No one, and I mean NO ONE has the right to tell me what I “need”. Rational people usually make good choices and when they do NOT, then rational people ACCEPT the responsibility for their poor decisions.

    I didn’t vote for a government, at any level, to dictate to me what I “need”.

    • Steve E

      An armed man cannot be told what to do. That’s why we have the 2nd Amendment.

    • Commiefornia

      Amen brother! When you allow some one to DICTATE to you what you need you become a slave…but that is what liberals want isn’t to enslave people in a government run healthcare system, welfare system, social security system, etc.

  • ibcamn

    And people,lets not forget that if Obama does what we think he’s going to do,it wont just be the assault style rifles that will be illegal(and high cap mags)it will also be your semi auto handguns(and high cap mags)that almost everybody who carry’s, owns,has in the house or at work,will be taken from you too!and would this nut job in the white house include a lever action rifle in his bill?if your good with your weapon(through practice)i can rattle off as many rounds with my lever action(and hit my target)as most people can with a semi auto rifle!what ear marks exceptions or whatever are going to be in this new law Obama wants to cram down our throats(ex. order) against our will?..remember some rifles and handguns hold more than 10 rounds standard,and how would they word semi-auto?would it be how many rounds a person could possibly get out of that specific weapon in a minute so it wont include lever action?or just the style of weapon?or type that just holds a magazine?there are pro’s out there that blow away the average person!are they going to follow the pro’s average or the average persons ability?..this will also affect the people working at factories that make these weapons!some factories only make semi-auto rifles,others have new lines in there factories,others just the handgun semi-auto and then some just the magazines and accessories!Obama’s ideas are going to effect a lot of jobs too!but it will need to hire new gov’t employees to take our guns!!..are these jackwads going to put their new proposed bill on the net for us to see or they going to keep it to themselves as usual?

  • jeff

    To all of you who want to infringe on MY rights and freedoms, and yes you will be infringing on them if you continue to conspire to take my GOD given right away, think about this;

    If you want to protect the innocent and stop many, many times more murders per year, let’s talk about outlawing abortion! Talk about killing innocent children……

    But oh, that’s right, that is a woman’s “right” to choose! Well, it is just like it is a mentally messed up person’s right to choose to break multiple existing laws to commit a horrific crime. They both have to answer for their actions, and yes, innocents are hurt.

    I am not justifying either one’s actions. Both are not right, but GOD gave us free will to choose good or evil. Again, everyone will have to answer for their deeds!

    Most of the “school shootings” that have taken place were committed by people who were not legally able to own a gun.

    How can you in the same functioning mind justify the right to kill harmless babies, but at the same time criminalize all law abiding citizens who choose to own guns.

    It is a choice. You have the choice to not own one, as I have the choice to own one. I will arm myself to protect me and my! You choose to do what is best for you and leave my rights alone! Just like most expect me to not infringe on a woman’s reproductive rights.

    By the way, if you think the 2nd amendment was included in the Bill of Rights for hunting and sporting purposes, maybe you should do some research. Just a hint, it is there to protect “WE PEOPLE” from our own government. If you don’t get it, study some history!

    • ranger09

      Our Govt Politicians are not interested in punishing the Criminals, The more Crime we have just justifies their being, Gives them the reasons to go after the Honest Americans Whom they fear the most, When the Govt controls the Military and Police it then becomes easy to disarm the people, When the people are disarmed they then become sheep and just follow the Bell. And folks we are doing nothing to stop this.
      And all you have to do is see what they are doing and have been doing for years.

      • gman

        you are 100% correct. And there are several here supporting the government stink. Sorry I will not mention the names of turds here.

  • Liberty & Freedom

    That embodies the basic tenant of this debate. Some people believe they have the privilege and right to dictate to others what they need or require. I neither support or subscribe to that line of thought. I firmly believe in my right to keep and bear arms. It should in no manner by infringed by anyone who believes “they know what is best for me”. I am the only one who knows what is best for me. Government was formed to protect our rights, not to eradicate them.

  • concerned citizen

    Let em’ make the laws… they’re still not getting my guns no matter what they outlaw.
    If they come to my home and ask me for them… I’ll tell them I private party sold them before whatever ban they try to create now… with no record of whom I sold them to.

    Whether I have to bury them underground, or cut a slot in a tree with my chainsaw to hide them… I don’t really care.

    Anyone that has guns unlawfully and wants to keep them will go through much more trouble than that… so why should I let the bad guys be the only ones with weapons when my family’s safety is concerned?

    Banning guns will not stop murder…. someone asked earlier if they’d buy a hammer for a weapon in a mocking tone… but hey… a hammer will work just as well as a knife, bat, etc… if you had that intent and couldn’t get a gun…

    Mass murder would just get more popular with explosives, poisons, bio-weapons, etc. if we didn’t have guns.

    Stop the psychos… don’t take away our freedoms…

    • Bob

      Thank you for your opinion we need more patriots like you!

      • ranger09

        I know that i am an American, I know that I Live in America, But sometimes i feel like i am living in a third world country.

    • Meteorlady

      How about Tylenol? Shouldn’t we ban that? That crime has never been solved…. Or Oklahoma City – maybe we should ban fertilizers?

  • archie brown

    Mark and Eddie Obiden. Leave them to their own devices. Isolate them. Archie Brown

  • Meteorlady

    Clinton is the consummate liar – the FBI’s own website shows:

    In 1992 there were 757 violent crimes committed per 100,000 people. The murder rate was 9.3 per 100,000.

    In 2011 there were 386 – LET ME REPEAT THAT…. 386 violent crimes committed per 100,000 people with a murder rate of 4.7 per 100,000.

    THAT IS A 54% DECREASE!

    You can go to the site and find that a lot of murders happen with knives, hammers, and other items that can easily be purchased in the local stores. Guns were only a portion of that.

    In this country drunk drivers and automobile accidents account for more deaths that all gun crimes. So lets ban cars…..

    • http://yahoo.com shade101

      If you run for Presdient, I’ll vote for you! Good job friend! Finally someone with intelligence!

  • http://yahoo.com shade101

    I can see it now! Al Quiada, and other Extremists are laughing their purverbial asses off, as soon as the guns are gone, they are coming in and taking over without much of a fight! WHY? because our Military is over there thinking we are winning the War on Terror, when in fact the enemy is already here just waiting for the Obama Disease to start. Then our Soldiers will have to fight to come home, if they can!

    • ranger09

      The enemy has been at our Gates for many years, But the American people are still sleeping.
      Quote comes from a real American.

  • http://yahoo.com shade101

    I wish these D.C. and local Do Gooders, would learn the difference between an Automatic Assault Weapon and a Sporter Semi-Automatic Rifle. The Semi Auto has been a hunting staple for more than 50 years. In the same time frame, cars have kill 10 times more people! Go out and find a Prostitute, and clear your brain! Better not tell you wife, she just might make you a statistic! Here’s one for the Gipper!

  • templeknight

    The absolute insanity of socio-progressive liberals is astounding. In just 2011[the last year figures are available] 333,964 (taxpayer funded) abortions were performed by planned parenthood[the new version of murder incorporated] these were true innocents, and not a single politician cares about them. They want gun control and these people can’t control their basic sexual desires, and facilitate murders to cover up their indiscretions. When Pravda warns Americans not to be disarmed, we should listen, they had first hand experience with Stalin. And the FBI comes out with the preferred murder weapon and its a HAMMER; all construction should cease all hammers should be confiscated, if we apply the same logic to hammers that the lunatic left applies to firearms. And lastly I’d like to leave you with this thought from the founders “when you trade freedom for security, you have neither”

    • ranger09

      Well WE know what is Right and we know what is Wrong, WE want the Right and the Politicians want the Wrong, And we do nothing.
      Makes me wonder why my Family fought in every war that has happened in this Country, And others that have been fought outside this Country All because we were taught that this was the right thing to do, Well i am not sure if they all have been for the right reasons. What i see now is how we are letting the few destroy our country from within And i donot see the American People fighting back, Was all the Blood that Americans have given Was all for NOTHING.

  • JeffH

    UNIVERSAL GUN REGISTRATION & LICENSING?
    Hunters, concealed handgun permit-holders, and others who think this is just about so-called “assault weapons” can now wake up and smell the coffee: Obama is proposing nothing less than universal gun registration. And as we have seen in Britain, Australia and even the City of New York, registration is the necessary prelude to confiscation.

    Time to take a stand and preserve your freedom. You need to tell friends and neighbors that this is no longer about ugly-looking black guns, but rather about the intent of federal police agencies to track and monitor the 40+% of the American public who have the audacity to own guns.

    It isn’t about “assault weapons,” it isn’t even about gun control: This is now about preserving the very freedoms guaranteed you by the US Constitution and Bill of Rights.

    As reward for your efforts to preserve freedom, incidentally, USA TODAY just branded you a “special interest” which is on the “ideological fringe.” Will you let them define freedom as “extremism?”

    IMMEDIATE ACTION REQUIRED!
    •IMMEDIATELY CONTACT YOUR US HOUSE REP AND BOTH SENATORS: Send them an email AND call their offices. Regardless of whether you have contacted them before, do it again. Due to the congressional email system, it is only possible to email your own US House rep, but it is suggested that you CALL all of them. That’s right: “FIFTEEN PHONE CALLS FOR FREEDOM.”

    •SIGN THE “STOP THE GUN BAN” PETITION: Go to: http://www.StopTheGunBan.com Whether or not you have already signed it, forward this to others and tell them to sign it too.

    •ATTEND THE FREEDOM RALLY: Immediately send a message to FreedomRally@GRNC.org using the subject “__ people will attend” and indicating how many, including yourself, you will bring.

    ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ!

    • Kate8

      JeffH – Ya know I love ya, but the whole idea of petitions to a system h*llbent on our destruction seems a bit futile, doesn’t it? The whole idea that we can work with these people who make no pretense of caring at all what we think…

      They know they are in for a fight. They plan to put us down. Pleading with them to please stop what they are doing is like a sheep pleading with the wolf who has already begun his feast.

      I say, no more petitions. WE NEED TO PRESENT THEM WITH DECLARATIONS AND PROCLAMATIONS of our freedom from their tyranny. We need to ASSERT our freedom. We cannot ASK them, we have to TELL them.

      We are in the right and they are in the wrong. Remember the Magna Carta. They did not beg King Henry to free them. They presented him with a DECLARATION of freedom, which gave him no options.

      The government belongs to US, not THEM. But it is up to us to work to take it back. It’s been hijacked by criminals who have been working for a century to get where they are. Do you seriously think they will back off because we ask them to?

      By petitioning, we are submitting to their authority. This gives them the choice of whether to ‘grant’ what is asked. Same with submitting any documents asking for exemptions, wavers or whatever. They never had this lawful authority, and they don’t have it now, except that we agree to it.

      This whole facade has been a snowjob, but they aren’t going to tell us if we are dumb enough not to see it.

      • JeffH

        Kate8, I know you do. I’m all in for declarations and proclamations. In the meantime I won’t allow my representatives to even get the inkling that I’ve ever given in to them by not writing them…I’ll just keep writing and writing.

  • gman

    The best way not to be part of someones game is to not pick up the ball,just let it drop where it may. You pick up the ball you are in the game. Same thing happens if you throw the ball to someone you don’t want to play games with. You don’t want them in the game then don’t throw them the ball. IE: Don’t ask them a question. Don’t respond to their comments.
    If you want the few unwanted players to leave here then just quit picking up the ball,their comments, and they will go elsewhere to find players for their game.
    Have none of you heard the saying, Don’t argue with an idiot because bystanders will not know who the idiot is. Passing gas and arguing using ignorance both have same result, they both just stink.
    Every time one of you replies to their ignorance,opinions rather than facts, you have let their stink in the game. What is funny is when you let them in the game, you actually let them control the game. Before long your game has been high jacked and you are now playing their game, which was their original game plan when they threw you the first ball, their comment. They will have you responding to ignorance.
    You are actually being used to keep spreading the nonsense instead of the truth. Seems just like what the government does, doesn’t it? Guns kill people, extended magazines kill people, extended folding butt stocks kill people, gun free zones save lives, gun bans save lives, gun laws save lives, and the biggest stink of them all is that guns are only made to kill. All are just ignorance but that is what their game play is. Make more stink in the air.
    Let the undesirables talk amongst themselves. Without your help they can just stink amongst themselves.
    Most people know better than to pick up a turd, let alone run with it. How many of you here know better than to pick up a turd? I am going to watch and see how many of you continue picking up the turds. Interesting to see how many really want to get rid of the stinking turds.

    • http://Arkybill.com Bill Henry

      You are of course right gman, but it is often hard to ignore ignorance. As far a gun grabbing goes for mine, Non in Mea Aevum.

  • http://none nick beck

    [threatening and obscene comment removed].they must be paid shills to be spending so much time responding to these articles—–GET RID OF THEM

    • gman

      Ignore them and they will go where someone will give them attention. Let them lay their turds somewhere else.

    • mark

      By your threats of violence, you are proving just what you are. Eliminate all who disagree with you through violence or the threat of violence. That is fascist and communist thinking – not the America way. We in this country believe in free speech and a public forum of debate free from threats of violence. You would fit in quite well in a fascist or communist society, nick, where you could eliminate all who disagree with you.

      • JC

        mark says:

        January 10, 2013 at 1:47 pm

        By your threats of violence, you are proving just what you are. Eliminate all who disagree with you through violence or the threat of violence.
        ______________________________________________________________________

        I don’t agree with the threats either…but the “compassionate left” is also calling for gun rights activists to be assasinated. It’s even been showcased on CNN.

  • NoRinos

    Until the anti-2nd amendment crowd can assure me that the GOVERNMENT has no weapons, we “the people” need availabliity to the same class of weaponry.. after all the LARGEST MASS MURDER SHOOTING ever was WACO TX, and it was the government that committed that slaughter.

    • http://realsustainability.wordpress.com realsustainability

      Well said, NoRinos! Remember WACO &, Ruby Ridge! , to say nothing of Project Gun Runner! These are peDople that will use everything at their command to do WHATEVER they want! Anyone think this site isn’t being monitored?

  • Gary

    Say what you want to say , pass what you want to pass, do what you want to do . Coming to collect firearms is an all together different ball game. Hopefully they send liberals and low information voters which are probably one in the same to collect them!!!

    • Motov

      I love to see them try and pry guns from red-necked people who live around here.
      It ain’t gonna happen!

      • MANNY

        SANDY HOOK AND COLORADO WERE NOT “TRAGEDIES”. THEY WERE ATROCITIES COMMITTED WITH HAND GUNS. RIDDLE ME THIS: WERE DID THE MURDERS IN EACH CASE OBTAIN THEIR BODY ARMOR? YOU CAN NOT OBTAIN BODY ARMOR UNLESS YOU ARE LICENSED POLICE, MILITARY, OR GOVERNMENT INSTITUTION. WHY DID LANZA’S KINDERGARTEN TEACHING DIVORCED CONNECTICUT MOTHER (LIBERAL WRITTEN ALL OVER HER) ILLEGALLY POSSESS AN “ASSAULT RIFLE” AND BODY ARMOR. AND WHO SUPPLIED THE CONTRABAND TO HER? BTW THE AR-15/BUSHMASTER WAS “LEFT IN HIS CAR” – NBC NEWS. IF YOU CAN’T FIGURE THIS OUT FOR YOURSELF THEN YOU’LL NEVER LEARN WHO TOOK OUT BRIETBART, JOHN NOVESKE (NOVESKE RIFLEWORKS {AR-15 INDUSTRY} ) AND TODAY’S LATEST : KEITH RATLIFF (FPS RUSSIA PRODUCER) WHO LEAVES BEHIND HIS WIFE AND TWO YEAR OLD CHILD.
        LOOK, YOU CAN CUT THE CRAP FOR THE LINE IS CLEARLY DRAWN. EITHER YOU ARE A “SON OF GOD” BY ADOPTION, OR YOU ARE A “CHILD OF WRATH” DECEIVED BY YOUR MISGUIDED LUCIFERIAN INDUCED SELF-RIGHTEOUSNESS.. THE CHOICE IS YOURS. I HOPE YOU DON’T MISCALCULATE.
        LET THE RECORD BEAR WITNESS THAT I TESTIFY;
        JESUS IS THE CHRIST. HE IS THE SON OF THE LORD GOD
        YESHEW HA’ MESSIACH BEN ADONAI ELOHIM

      • JC

        Summed up pretty well Manny.
        The whole thing has got Gun Grabber set up written all over it.
        These people are as evil as it gets….

        • Motov

          I rather have a red necked person around me any day vs a pansy liberal crybaby bedwetter who thinks guns are the problem when the truth is guns in the WRONG HANDS is the problem.

  • NoRinos

    If you boil that down, Manny’s actually correct.

    • Motov

      Doesn’t surprise me,..Liberals committing crimes to justify their causes is one of their many underhanded tactics to get what they want. Just look at the Big Crook in power.
      And in Illinois your license plate may have been made by a former politician!

  • nickkin

    Hey all you flower-smell the roses-this world is full of love-children. Until you have been threatened, robbed, raped , killed by a country full of deranged individuals, be a ground-hog and keep your head, in where the sun doesn’t shine, and hope your not a minority incident. When you have been threatened or have been in a close call, then think about your flower-smelling attitude and be lucky that your not pushing up the flowers from the ground up but able to smell them.

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