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A Crude Coincidence—The Gulf Oil Spill Works Out Well For The Greens

May 5, 2010 by  

A Crude Coincidence—The Gulf Oil Spill Works Out Well For The Greens

"The end justifies the means.”Machiavelli
 
Fact: Deep water oil platforms don’t just blow up. As the centerpieces of projects that cost billions of dollars, they are designed not to.

Fact: Just before 10 a.m. on April 20 a Transocean rig called the Deepwater Horizon 40 miles south of Venice, La., exploded and caught fire as it was working a well for BP.

Fact: Two weeks later as much as 300,000 barrels of crude oil have spread into the Gulf of Mexico, the bulk of it hitting the shores of Louisiana. More than 2 million barrels could spill out before the well is finally capped making this disaster worse than the Exxon Valdez catastrophe which spilled 400,000 barrels of oil into Alaska’s Prince William Sound in 1989.

Fact: This giant gulf oil spill happened less than three weeks after President Barack Obama announced he would allow offshore drilling.

Fact: Few in the mainstream media or in the federal government are putting a spotlight on to what caused the explosion that killed 11 men. Rather, their focus has been on what it will do to the environment.

Fact: The Greens have all the ammunition they need to permanently suspend future offshore oil production as well as drilling in environmentally sensitive areas, such as the oil-rich Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.

On April 30 Obama suspended plans to expand offshore oil drilling. That same day, during the PBS talk show, The McLaughlin Group, Eleanor Clift made this prediction: “The catastrophic oil spill in the gulf will silence Sarah Palin’s, ‘Drill, Baby, Drill.’”

That’s the aim of the Greens. Michael Brune, executive director of the Sierra Club,said on Saturday: “Taking a temporary break from offshore drilling is an important step, but it’s not enough. We need to stop new offshore drilling for good, now. And then we need an aggressive plan to wean America from dirty fossil fuels in the next two decades.”

What My Deep Throat Says About This Deep Disaster
While I have been around plenty of oil rigs in my life I am hardly an expert. But I have friends who are. One of them is Ryan who is an oil field technician for one of the original Seven Sisters here in Calgary. I met with him last Friday to talk about the Transocean accident and what might have triggered the explosion.

“It probably comes down to one of two things,” said Ryan. “The blowout preventer failed to operate and seal the well. With the computers they have on deep ocean wells that shouldn’t happen; there is always the possibility of human error.” He looked around the room and then confided: “And of course it could be sabotage.”

The blowout preventer is a set of valves that connects the pipe from underground to the surface and it is used to control excessive pressure that might go further up the line. Valves can burst from either high-pressure oil, or oil mixed with gas which travels to the surface unexpectedly. That can start a catastrophic fire if sparked by the electrical gear on the platform. It should be noted that oil services contractor Halliburton is denying that its workers might have caused the accident.

It has already been alleged that Halliburton improperly cemented the well. Cementing is a process used to fill the gap between the drilled hole and the casing that brings oil and gas up out of the ground.

There has been speculation on whether the sealing process had been completed before the blast occurred. Yet the company insists that its workers had finished the cementing operation 20 hours before the rig went up in flames.

Perhaps It Was Just A Coincidence
The Wall Street Journal wrote on Friday: “Concerns about the cementing process—and about whether rigs have enough safeguards to prevent blowouts—raise questions about whether the industry can safely drill in deep water and whether regulators are up to the task of monitoring them.” To its credit, the WSJ is one of the few to report on the question of what caused the explosion.

While the Exxon Valdez accident immediately focused on the cause of the spill and the role that ship’s captain Joseph Jeffrey Hazelwood played, there is so far scant information and inquiry into what triggered the explosion on board the Deepwater Horizon.

The Greens were furious with Obama for allowing offshore drilling. It may be a happenstance that the Deepwater Horizon blew up three weeks later. But given the history of the Green movement I think it is worth considering that environmental extremists could have had a hand in this accident.

I had been thinking along these lines this past Friday when I got an email from my editor asking if I thought something was fishy and would I like to write about it.

I said yes, even though I was a bit apprehensive that you folks might consider me a reactionary or even a nut. And while I am not a big listener of Rush Limbaugh, I was encouraged when I read he was thinking along the same lines.

"Obviously the regime (the Obama Administration) is open to the idea that this is not an accident,” said Limbaugh. "The original Earth Day 40 years ago was inspired by the river in Cleveland catching fire. Forty years later, the day before Earth Day this year, the gulf is on fire. Coincidence? The jury is still out."

Love him or loathe him, what Limbaugh says is backed up by the actions of the White House which sent Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano to the site. Napolitano has declared this is “an incident of national significance." Then on Sunday Obama visited the Gulf Coast to bolster efforts to control the spill.

The Dark Side Of The Greens
Of course I don’t know that eco-terrorists sparked this catastrophe. But I do know you don’t call a cop unless you think there might have been a crime. And some extremists in the Green movement are most certainly criminals.

The Federal government considers eco-terrorism a greater threat to America than Osama bin Laden and his organization al Qaida. According to the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI): “Eco-terrorism is the use or threatened use of violence of a criminal nature against innocent victims or property by an environmentally oriented, sub-national group for environmental-political reasons, or aimed at an audience beyond the target, often of a symbolic nature."

Guilty or not I have no doubt that the extremists in the environmental movement must be celebrating the Gulf Coast crisis. A recent poll by the WSJ asked: “Have your views on offshore drilling changed after the oil spill off the Louisiana coast?” The response by its conservative readership was a resounding, yes.

We may never know what caused the explosion that sunk the Deepwater Horizon. What we do know is that 11 men lost their lives and there is going to be untold suffering to the wildlife and on the people of America’s Gulf Coast. We can also expect this catastrophe will do to deep water oil exploration what Chernobyl did to nuclear energy. I expect new offshore drilling to cease for years, perhaps even decades. That sets up a future of greater dependence on Arab oil imports and higher energy prices.

Action To Take: Expect plenty of blame to go around and three companies are going to get hammered: BP (NYSE: BP, $52.15), Transocean Ltd. (NYSE: RIG, $72.32) and Halliburton Co. (NYSE: HAL, $30.65). If you own shares in these stocks liquidate them immediately. If you own energy mutual funds make sure that part of your fund does not own these three stocks. If they do, sell the fund. What is ironic is that over the past few years BP has bragged that its name no longer stands for British Petroleum but rather Beyond Petroleum. It looks as if they might turn out to be right.

Yours for real wealth and good health,

John Myers
Myers’ Energy and Gold Report

John Myers

is editor of Myers’ Energy and Gold Report. The son of C.V. Myers, the original publisher of Oilweek Magazine, John has worked with two of the world’s largest investment publishers, Phillips and Agora. He was the original editor for Outstanding Investments and has more than 20 years experience as an investment writer. John is a graduate of the University of Calgary. He has worked for Prudential Securities in Spokane, Wash., as a registered investment advisor. His office location in Calgary, Alberta, is just minutes away from the headquarters of some of the biggest players in today’s energy markets. This gives him personal access to everyone from oil CEOs to roughnecks, where he learns secrets from oil insiders he passes on to his subscribers. Plus, during his years in Spokane he cultivated a network of relationships with mining insiders in Idaho, Oregon and Washington.

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  • http://verizon kbab777

    Of course it is sabotage, the greens are criminals too and they are so passionate about their cause they will go the limit for the good of their cause And if it waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck then it is a duck.

    • Bones

      I think your dead on about the sabotage. Think about this how many have ever blown up ? None that I can remember.
      The thing about Obama releasing Oil drilling leases is also a farce the areas he release didn’t have any oil on them.

      • Rubee

        THERE HAVE BEEN A FEW DRILLING RIGS THAT SUNK, OR CAUGHT FIRE IN THE NORTH SEA IN YEARS PAST WITH THE LOST OF LIFE NOT SURE WHO WAS OPERATEING THEM

        • USA Jim

          Rubee – Please site facts to support your claim. Do some research, and include links. Otherwise, unsubstantiated claims read as fiction.
          I can unequivocally state that I have never heard of any oil rigs that have caught fire or sank, but that doesn’t prove or disprove the truth. Nor does using ALL CAPS change the facts either.

          I have been asking the question, “What happened” since the first time I saw the Oil Rig burning, and I find it chilling that I’ve not even see FOX reporting along these lines.

          Here is an article that I have yet to find any corroboration, but it’s the only thing I have found:
          http://whatdoesitmean.com/index1367.htm

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            USA Jim,

            I have family in La, and my brother works on one of these platforms in the Gulf, so this hits close to home. I agree with John Myers about the media putting more emphasis on the environmental concerns, than on the loss of human life that occured.

            Who would ever want to believe such a horrific plan could be hatched? I certainly don’t want to, but if we’re willing to be honest….I think we must look at all possibilities.

            Thanks Jim, for including the link. When I first started reading it…I thought…no way, not even logical….by the time I finished reading it….the more convinced I became….that it is plausible…so nothing should be off the table, as far as investigating who/what/when/where and why.

          • Propaganda

            So you are worried these oil companies will get hammered, and then liquidate all your stocks immediately and who will buy them the banksters. Hillary said. “Don’t waste a good crisis.“ Our crises are the elite’s opportunities.

            Dems urged you to sell all BP and Halliburton stocks’s, and they give you worthless paper. Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan CHASE Bank etc ……. are now STOCKING oil reserves OIL, and they are HUNGRY for oil and YOUR oil stocks…… They want to buy your oil for pennies on the dollar.

          • Propaganda

            Since Obama suspended plans to expand offshore oil drilling on April 30, and banks are stocking, Oil will skyrocket, and shouldn’t you keep these stocks?

            Mark Levin said Obama administration sent SWAT Teams Response To Oil Spill Is a “Government Takeover Plot.” He said, basically the response was a precursor to government nationalization of the oil
            industry via the back door.

            Rahm Emanuel (White House Chief of Staff to Barack Obama): “You never want a serious crisis to go to waste. And what I mean by that is an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before.”

          • t4

            here’s something from theatlantic.com. “Halliburton was also responsible for cementing a well off the coast of Australia that blew last August, leaking oil for ten weeks before it was plugged.”

            it has happened before – no real surprise.

          • Tim

            Awsome take. I suspected sabotage at first, and I have been wondering all allong why the media just won’t ask why this happened. It seems like just a conspiracy theory but this does make allot of sence.

          • Marc

            Links to oil rig fires/sinkings:

            oilrigdisasters.co.uk/

            http://www.commondreams.org/headlines01/0320-02.htm

          • Marc

            Doesn’t really look like th Dai Hong Dan would have been in the area at the time…..should be easy enough to track.

            http://www.digital-seas.com/vessel_search/vessel_details/on/hmyc_dai_hong_dan_q2026794.html?tx_fleetmonportal_pi1%5Bposition%5D=1

        • denniso

          I know the righties won’t believe it, but sane people will. Cheny allowed the oil industry to block a mandate for using an automatic close off valve for just such an incident…the valve costs $500,000 and the industry complained that it cost too much and they already had fail safe equipment in place so that a major spill couldn’t ocurr.
          Estimates for the damage caused to the coast and loss to the coastal economy are already up to $14 billion. Great special deals that Cheny made w/ the oil industry.

          look it up…

          • George E

            Hi Denniso,

            I haven’t taken time to check your facts, so I’ll work from logic alone.

            First, we don’t’ know what caused this spill, so we don’t really know if an emergency shut-off value or blow-out preventer (BOP), or several such devices would have prevented this spill. I read at least one post from an industry insider that suggested the spill might be coming from around the outside of the casing (pipe). If this is plausible, and I really don’t know if it is but does sound reasonable to me, the cause might be that the well wasn’t cemented properly. This could point to Halliburton’s service, or instructions given Halliburton by one of BP’s engineers.

            Second, it really would surprise me to find out that BP voluntarily chose to not use a blow out preventer or emergency shut-off valve on this well. Heck, these wells cost a bloody fortune to drill and maintain anyway, not to mention the cost of bad publicity and decreased valuation of the company if/when a disaster like this occurs. So, the total cost of a problem like this dwarfs the cost of one of these valves. It seems to me that BP and other such companies have sufficient incentive to take steps to try to prevent spills. In other words, I would expect a well managed company to see the risks of not using one of these valves as too high for the cost involved. So, if it is discovered that they didn’t use a BOP or emergency shut-off valve and that would have eliminated or significantly reduced this spill, the management behind that decision should be fired and prosecuted, especially if the only reason for doing this was to save $500,000. But that just doesn’t seem plausible to me. However, we’ll find out, eventually.

          • denniso

            GeorgeE…we may never find out if a automatic shutoff would have prevented this, given the complications. And you’re wanting to believe that a well run, responsible company wouldn’t make such a poor decision is frankly naive. All industry has fought regulation and gov’t controls in regard to safety of workers and environmental impact since the beginning of the effort to protect both…they do it as a matter of course because they see every regulation as costing them money…much as the auto companies fought against mandated seatbelts for years. Can you imagine them fighting against something so obviously necessary and cheap? But they did.
            I don’t know how many wells BP has that would have been affected by a mandate for automatic shutoffs, but imagine the number is 100, probably more. 100 shutoff valves at $500,000 ea is a large enough number to start to notice…$50 million.
            We need to realize as well that this sort of incident apparently hasn’t happened, so the company deludes itself into believing it can’t happen ever…dumb, but very similar to our financial collapse that most of the financial whizzes like Greenspan for one, though could never happen.

          • Meteorlady

            D – do you use oil? Do you encourage getting the Bakken going? Or do you just sit on these sites and blame blame blame? How much do you want to spend on oil? How much do you want gas to appreciate until you can’t afford to purchase gas for your vehicles? What’s wrong with Natural Gas? Is it Cheny’s fault that we don’t have that for our vehicles? No, it’s collusion between the oil companies and car manufacturers.

          • George E

            Denniso,

            Let me see if I can boil this down. I’m saying this disaster may or may not have been BP’s fault while you’re saying it was BP’s fault. From that, you say I’m naive. Well, that may be, but if that’s true, I think you should admit that you’re biased since you’ve predetermined the results before the facts are in. Have a nice day.

          • Tim

            Denniso. OK where do I look this up?
            Until then, I must go with the question,”since when does the vice president get to ‘allow’ anything?” The president is the one with the power of veto. the VP gets squat. The way our three part gov works is as follows. The legislature (the senate and congress) draws up the bill, the laws, the Supreme Court then questions the consitutionality of it and if it passes, the president then either vetoes it or signs it into law. Yes the president and vice president can suggest what they want and call it what they want, like “Obama’s health care plan” but it is the legislature who writes the law, not the v.p. And don’t hand me “executive decision”, thank you. It’s up to congress to allow the pres the power of executive decision, like when they voted to give Bush the power of executive desision in the Iraq and Afganistan wars.
            You should have paid attention in high school when they were teaching political science instead of burnin’ a fatty!

          • denniso

            Tim…sure you’ve got to be personally derogatory, I expect that…but do you really not know that Cheny was the real power behind the Bush presidency? And do you really not know that the different gov’t agencies set regulations and procedures for many industries? The Bush administration had every gov’t agency from the EPA to FDA to SEC and the FCC back off on their role of regulating the businesses under their purview…so all Bush or Cheny did was direct their agencies to go easy on the businesses…don’t tell me that you really don’t know that happened under Bush. They made a point of broadcasting the idea that biz is too regulated and they sided w/ biz against gov’t regs…you’d better do some actual reading and turn off Fox and Limbaugh.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            dennislow,
            The man asked for your source, not a bunch of gobbeldygook!!!!

    • Dan2

      This is almost believable; NORTH KOREA TORPEDOES OIL WELLS with the silence from the news media.http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1367.htm

      NORTH KOREA TOPEDOES OIL WELL

      http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1367.htm

      Global elitists are out to destroy the US to bring it into submission of NEW WORLD ORDER. This right/ left arguing is the division they want while they whittle away your lifestyle. Their chips are “all in” and expect more calamities to come. Weather warfare is going to be their big tool through the HAARP system, and the CHEMTRAILS being sprayed on us in the skies. These are a few of the signs of the times, and if you don’t believe that, just wait a little longer.

      • http://N/A Dan3

        In this day and time, big stakes, big changes i would have to agree-with you!

      • Lynette

        Dan2……I agree with you 100%……..I wouldn’t be surprised if our good ole government itself wasn’t involved in this….the biggest terrorists we need to be afraid of are not foreigners, but our very own government!!

        • Tim

          Uhhhhhhh, like wow man! Like conspiracy theory man. But it does make sence. I want to know why the rig blew up and why nobody is even questioning it.

      • Marc

        Doesn’t really look like th Dai Hong Dan would have been in the area at the time…..should be easy enough to track.

        http://www.digital-seas.com/ve…..ition%5D=1

    • Hugh Jordin

      I am hardly a Greenie, but this is ridiculous. This is tantamount to blaming the Illuminati for the financial crisis.

      Off shore drilling technology is extremely complex using very sophisticated technology. Expecting oil rigs to run flawlessly forever is a silly as expecting your car to run perfectly without any parts failing for 500,000 miles.

      The rig just failed. “green sabotage” is about as real as the tooth fairy.

      • Th3D3adM3ssenGer

        Oh but of course… government systems NEVER use destruction to advance their agenda. They are incapable of being deceptive. It just can’t happen that would be too scary and I might have to start wearing diapers for when I piss myself all day watching the control system systematically rape the Soul of Humanity. Your government loves you and would NEVER do anything to harm you or your environment. Go watch American Idol and go back to sleep. Your government will take care of you. EVERYTHING is under control…

        • denniso

          You and some of these others sound mentally ill…This article is a bad joke. Come on Meyers…you’re reduced to using Limbaugh as corroboration? That’s the funniest and most ridiculous part of your article. And you want to see sabotage by environmentalists as a plausible thing when it’s environmentalists trying to protect nature. What a foolhardy leap w/ absolutely NO evidence or rational explanation. This is how the rightwing,like you and Limbaugh warp the ‘news’ and misinform the public. This sort of ‘journalism’ is disgusting and does a huge diservice to the country trying to solve real problems. Pathetic!!!

          • http://none Jeff

            I agree that all possibilities should be looked at and who knows maybe there is someone sick enough out there to have done this. They would not be an environmentalist if they did it but someone who is mentally ill.
            What is more likely is that we are all responsible for our dependence on oil and obtaining it at all costs perhaps. It was bound to happen sooner or later.
            It is convenient for Livingston to suspect it was a terrorist and not have to shoulder any responsiblitily for supporting the policy of drill baby drill. Has Livingston ever recieved money from companies that make money from the oil industry or the industry itself? If he has, I would suggest that he has an agenda and a bias. Whether he is right or wrong the repercussions of the worst U.S. environmental disaster in history will be felt for a long time. We all share culpability for accepting oil companies at their word that this could not happen. We are responsible for the death of thousands of animals from possibly hundreds of species and the livelihood of thousands of people. Maybe it would be prudent to put the onus back on companies to prove their businesses are safe and bring back some of the watered down regulations or get used to ecological disasters including the repercussions that are “coming down the pipe” with our footdragging on the prevention of climate change.

          • denniso

            Good comment…i thought you were JeffH, but no, he wouldn’t make a reasonable comment like that.

          • George E

            Guys,

            What is “reasonable” is in the eyes and minds of the beholder. Livingston implies that this disaster might have been caused by eco-terrorists given that some demented person within that group might figure out it is better overall for the environmental movement (in his/her small mind) to cause one major disaster like this to shut down offshore drilling forever. Hopefully, this is not the case, but the story might make a good movie for Hollywood to consider…..

            You are implying that the oil companies are wreckless and will take unnecessary risks because they don’t care if these kinds of spills occur so long as they make more profit by keeping their costs of drilling and production down. Again, this “could” happen, and might make another good movie, but it’s very hard for me to see how a responsible company would take chances like this in their normal course of doing business. Logic tells me that if this was the case, we’d see a lot more disasters like this.

            So, while both cases are possible, neither seem particularly probable to me. I’m more inclined to believe this accident was caused by human error at the operator or engineer level than something management did to improve profit margins. And, while oil companies are not usually found marching in the streets on behalf of the environmental movement, they are environmentalists as well. For that matter, we all are. Absolutely NO one wants to screw up our planet’s environment like this. Have you heard anyone say this disaster was a good thing? If we do, then I’d be very suspecious that that person or group sees some benefit and thereby may be responsible for this mess in some way, or potentially capable of causing something similar in the future.

            Please don’t jump to conclusions before the facts are in, and after that let’s support solutions that fix the real cause, not some preconceived notion or political agenda. Otherwise, we and others who think like we do, could be accused of benefiting from this disaster, and we know that’s not what we want.

          • denniso

            George…you’ve made a reasonable comment w/ too many suppositions in it. ‘Responsible company’?? Businesses make a bottom line calculation that comes down to money when they look at risk…they have to. They don’t look at what’s best for the environment, they really can’t…that’s why we have gov’t regulations to try and force that into their operations. They decided, w/ the help of Cheny/Bush, that the risk of a blowout under water was worth saving $500,000/rig for an automatic shutoff that would have prevented this catastrophe. They deemed the risk to be minimal as they stated in their environmental impact statement, that their drilling/pumping procedure was ‘failsafe’.

            There are something like 550 large oil spills a year around the world. Remember the Exxon Valdez?? There is nothing ‘failsafe’ about this kind of operation and the companies lie to the people about it in the interest of larger profits. Exxon made the largest profit for an American company last year.

            Wild speculation about the possibility of sabotage came from our ‘journalist’ Limbaugh, the master of deceit and misinformation…why not speculate that aliens could have done it? Or maybe it was the alignment of the planets? Wild speculation is hogwash that only distracts from the ongoing disaster, and Limbaugh and the writer of this article know that very well.

          • George E

            Denniso,

            I’ve worked for three different corporations over my career, in both management and professional positions. These companies would not have put environmental concerns above all others, but they never wanted to get into trouble that would bring negative publicity to their company. If they did, customers and investors would punish them severely, not to mention endless legal costs and aggrevation. They may not have liked government regulations, but these companies always tried to abide by them and tried to operate within the framework of the law. So, given my experience and observations over the years, I’m just not inclined to think BP or any other major company would wrecklessly do things that would hurt their company. That doesn’t mean that I don’t think they make mistakes. They do. I’ll just be very surprised if this turns out to be a major systematic foul up on the part of their management. But, like I said, anything can happen, and as long as “Murphy” is alive, sooner or later it will. Hopefully, we’ll find out the cause of this spill in the not too distant future. Then we’ll know for sure. In any case, we should learn from our mistakes and move on, not abandon further offshore drilling and production, in my opinion.

          • denniso

            All businesses take calculated gambles on a variety of issus. If BP didn’t have the $500,000 automatic shut off valve to avoid a large spill in the event of major failure, then they were making the bet that an event like this is rare enough to save some big money and take the chance. They stated in their application for drilling that they had ‘failsafe’ technology and procedures…sure.

        • http://N/A Dan3

          God Doesan’t make little green apples either. If you believe what you said you must work for them.

      • Meteorlady

        Green sabotage…… hey you must have missed the bombings at the University of Washington by the green terrorists, or lets see – putting stakes in trees so loggers will be killed or maimed. There are numerous other disasters associated with them so I won’t bore you. Not saying they did it, but they are certainly capable and there are criminals among them.

      • Gary

        I have worked in the oil and gas industry for many years and i agree that equipment fails from time to time. With that being said the offshore drilling regulation are very strict, well control devices have back ups and those back up have backups. I’m very suspicious about this accident or not. Thier are far more coincidence than explanations, and were did this artical about the sub come from. I’m sure it will all surface in time, I fear it may be to late. Obama and thet Greenies dont understand what they would do to this country by cuttung off our oil supply, or do they?

    • http://none Alex

      More Teabagger nonsense—You people are not looking at the real picture.
      The disaster in the Gulf was quickly taken of of every major news outlet on Saturday. Why? So that we might spend all day watching a bombsquad dismantle a FAKE bomb that was never going to blow up! This is what the White Estates of America ALWAYS does—replace anty disturbing news with a FAKE story. The FAKE Gulf of Tonkin “incident”, the FAKE “blowing up” of the SS Maine—we manufacture and direct news focus in order to keep the S.S. Capitalist Creep afloat. THERE WAS NO BOMB!! It was all a ruse to take our attention away from the dying turtles. Man, I hate this country SO MUCH!!

      • http://Newsmax Jeff

        Iran is a good place for you to immigrate to, or maybe Mexico. Your leaving the US would be a good thing since you hate it so much.

        • Th3D3adM3ssenGer

          ALex… try and remember not to hate the country, but the idiots allowing it and causing it to fall to shit. Channel your anger, young Jedi, and use it against the darkness. The Soulution is to spread the Truth that you obviously have found… the theater of mind manipulation.

          • http://none Alex

            Thank you for pulling me back down again–sometimes Eye do get a bit worked up!

      • http://N/A Dan3

        Nothing Wrong with the country, but values.

      • http://personalliberty.com RChick

        Alex:

        If you hate this country so much, why not leave? Good bye!

      • Charles Hargis

        Alax

        If you hate this country SO MUCH i’ll buy you a ticket out of the US if you will give up your citizanship and not come back.
        I do wonder how long it would be before you would hate their country and want to come back,but will be on the no fly list.
        Be carful hate will eat you alive.

      • Meteorlady

        Ewe – immigrate to Argentina or Venezuela, they need more liberal minded lock step people.

      • Dave.

        Why are you still here?? There are plenty of other places to go – perhaps they won’t be as “tolerant” as the USA

    • pat

      i would suggest that OF COURSE this was eco-terrorism but i think most of the comments don’t go high enough up the line-the bad boys in the back room are at war WITH EACH OTHER-the NWO drill baby drill people that INCLUDES near the top of this gang, Halliburton and Cheney -who by the way have a terrible reputation for lousy safety and crass misconduct in this cementing process. The other rat in the sack is BP–the euro illuminati branch of the boys in the back of which British Petroleum is a big part-and the latter apparently liable financially for the disaster–and then you have Obama who seems to have been “placed” in office by the NWO people-see his obscure birth,education, and work history that leads back to oil money–texas and saudi–but who by his affect and conduct seems to hate his handlers and honor the euro faction, and seems to be trying to play one side against the other-anyway, this is the set up–BOTH SIDES WIN BIG ON THIS ONE and the sentient beings of the earth lose BIG-with this disaster–BP will weasle out of all but token liability payments-and gas prices will skyrocket, Halliburton will gain more power and money because they will likely make HUGE sums of money by pretending to be able to clean up the mess–the same position they have held in all wars since the first gulf war under 41 and again all sentient beings will suffer–and if Obama is not careful–he will not make it thru this time alive unless there is divine intervention–or demi-divine aka gallactic intervention by service to others Law of One type folks, not the service to self conquer and kill kind-who i believe have been behind the NWO gangsters and banksters-speaking of whom–who wins the most is the banksters–GoldmanSachs-has cleaned up on short selling the deal(gee, ya think they had advance knowledge of this,huh maybe?)THEY MADE THE MOST IMMEDIATE MONEY–guess they needed a few extra bucks to cover the mosquito bite by the SEC.but the grand godfather of evil at the top of this pyramid i believe is JPMORGANCHASE–so this is my 2 cents on the subject.

    • richard

      100%correct!

  • angel-wanna-be

    Waaayyy Tooo coincidental!__A State of the art oil platform blows up, not long after President Obama says, “He’s open to offshore drilling exploration”??__Just too coincidental, not to be sabotage.

    • Sidewinder

      Well I think its just way too soon to rush to judgement before all the facts are in. The article only raises sabotage as a possibility. It is possible.

      My guess is they rushed the well into operation and got sloppy. What ever the reason, it will surely play into the hands and agendas of the Greens for sure.

      • Bones

        Your full of S–t !

        • Sidewinder

          OK…we SHOULD rush to judgment BEFORE the facts are in.

          • Bones

            The fact is no other platform off our coast has been destroyed like this one.
            All our President can yep about is the oil being spilled out into the ocean. All out media can yep about is the enviromental damage it is doing they could care less as to what actually happen to the rig, Or the 11 men that died. The fact is they don’t care. Can you see the differance in this coverage and that of the Goal Miners, it’s big!
            The fact is Obama knows more then he is letting on and that is our problem we have an Idiot that is President and can’t make a decision.
            If I was president and North Korea was behind this ! I would turn thier country into a sand box !

      • DaveH

        What is ironic to me is that BP (formerly British Petroleum) has been running ads of TV for years bragging how Green they are. Incidentally, so are many other companies. Now why would that be unless they sense a powerful political movement that they don’t want to get on the wrong side of?

    • Dave

      How can you even pretend to be sure that it’s sabotage. Even Chip Wood, who would LOVE for this to be sabotage by the “radical left wing” is only alluding to the possibility that it could be. Don’t be so quick to blame everything on the left. Do you really just take Halliburton at their word that it wasn’t their fault? They would never admit any fault even if they were caught red handed. Yes, it’s a coincidence but it is most likely just that. The reason the press isn’t all over why is happened is because no one knows why yet and because the disaster that is unfolding is much more of an immediate danger.

      • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

        Dear Dave,
        Just an FYI: This was written by John Myers, not Chip Wood.
        All the best,
        Bob

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Bob,
          Thanks for the clarification,I thought I was going nuts with all these comments directed at Chip. I guess when you hate, it’s easier to ignore source!!!

      • American Citizen

        In my mind, it’s also coincidental that it happened soon after the blast in the mine. With all the crimes the greens have committed to foster their agenda, I wouldn’t put it past them. They don’t care who they hurt with their ignorance. Just look at the loggers that have been injured by the greens with their putting spikes into trees. Trees are a renewable resource. Some are grown for specific purposes such as for making paper. The logging companies replace trees they log with saplings. Forests need to be thinned occasionally to prevent the rapid spread of fires.

  • http://none Jeryl

    Well, Doooooglas (or whatever), having worked offshore before finally finishing my college education and advanced degrees, I can tell you that such explosions are extremely rare and virtually impossible without human help. A couple of well-placed charges could do the job, though. No one said “robotic submarine.” It’s folks like you that have the corner on idiocy. My vote goes to sabotage.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Im wondering when the democrats are going to buy some air time, and go on ABC,NBC, CBS, CNN and MSNBC, and blame it on Bush. Seems like with them everything else is his fault, why not blame this on him too. Well, Bush, Cheney and Halliburton. Its all their fault, isnt it?

      • Leftie

        Actually Haliburton IS involved in this. And since they own GWB it probably is his fault. It’s a disaster. Yes, explosions are rare but that means they happen and so this was one of those rare occasions.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Yeah, Im sure your right. Haliburton, Bush and Cheney blew it up, under the cover of night, just to tick off the greenies and Al Gore. Do you realize how stupid you sound? These guys would be blamed by you, when nothing would give them any gain if this was true. Yet the greenies have much to gain if they did it, now wouldnt they. So it is either an innocent accident, or the greenies are getting meaner. But no Bush, no Cheney, no Haliburton involved in CAUSING this to happen. You miss the whole point, just like a lefty, burning in his agenda.

      • http://aol.com Pathfinder

        Actually, the liberals won’t have to buy airtime for this. They have willing accomplices in the Lamestream media who will broadcast their message for them for free. It is only conservatives who have to buy the airtime for their message. And even then the Lamestream media sometimes refuses to take our money and won’t broadcast our message regardless of how much they are offered.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          You are correct. They are the propaganda wing of the democratic party, no doubt.

          • Robin Anthony

            Deep water oil platforms don’t just blow up. They are designed not to. Space shuttles don’t just blow up, either. They are designed not to. Fireworks and bombs are designed to blow up, so it must’ve been a bomb, right?? Jeez.

            Couldn’t have just been the combination of humans who err, machinery that malfunctions and Mother Nature which Rules, eh? The same Mother who brought us Hurricane Katrina brings us the harsh environment that exists at the bottom of a mile deep ocean, not to mention drilling a hole a couple miles deeper into the earth on top of that.

            Quit looking for blame and start looking for answers. Not if something will go wrong, or even necessarily how to make it safer, because there are already redundancies built into the system, but how do we contain an accident quickly and lessen the damage WHEN something DOES go wrong? Because it will, eventually.

            This explosion underscores the vital need for an emergency management response plan that works.

            We are lucky this happened now before we got a million rigs drilling offshore. Cleaning up spills before they can cause economic and environmental disaster is the only way we are going to sustain an energy independent level of offshore drilling.

            Anybody have a handi-wipe?

          • American Citizen

            How about a roll of Bounty paper towels?

      • marvin

        Beberoni only thing i see you may have wrong is on the buying time, the liberal press will never miss a chance to blame bush and build up O B A M A the all mighty the savior may god help us all if this liberal is the best we have to offer OBAMA FOR CHANGE and thats all we have left is change in our pockets wonder how that is working for them that lost their jobs that voted for obama

  • Barbara Humphrey

    Who needs comedy, with the likes of this. We have already gotten the explanation, and it’s that money trumps science every time. Companies rarely spend more for safety unless they are forced to do so. And, thanks to GWB, with no government oversight, why bother even doing what the law requires. Companies are generally so well protected that even when there is no question of who is responsible, they will put the lawyers to work to delay having to part with their assets and in the end, will give the big boys bonuses and declare bankruptcy. While the rest of us lose our businesses, homes, recreational facilities and spend our days wiping oil off bird feathers. Yea, who needs comedy when have heaped on the tragedy thick as oil, even the sweet stuff.

    • jbird

      Darn. Bush’s fault again. Who knew?

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      There it is. I was wondering when Bush was going to get blamed for it. Must be a wonderful hate filled world you lefties live in. Its always Bush’s fault. Aint that special.

    • Ray

      Barbra
      It must be great to just spew out of your mouth what you like. Bush relaxing requirments, you have got to be kiding. I have worked in the oil industry on all types of rigs since 1981. The fact is equipment fails, people makes mistakes. I spent from 2001-2005 out of the USA on a 5th gen rig (similar to what went down) and came back to a world of new regulations and they are tough. The BOP’s have to be pressure tested weekly. Look at the history of the oil industry, little invironmental impact, until this and don’t bring up the Valdez that is shipping not drilling or producing.
      While I was in the USA we drilled 3 wells past 6 miles in deep water and that is record breaking, In Asia we drilled moored in 7,000 ft of water and that is record breaking. Drilling is done safe, rig hands are more concerned about safety and the environment than tree huggers we just go about protecting the environment differently.
      I didn’t know anybody on the Deepwater Horizen but them and there families are in my prayers, the shrimpers and fishermen in the gulf are in my prays, the $500 MILLION DOLLOR + RIG will be hard to replace. All the jobs lost because of the no drilling sentiment this will cause makes me concerned as my family was being effected before this. I have started working back overseas. The green people who are spewing so much If they are really concerned about the environment then they should park there gas hogs like the suburbans, they need to turn the power off there homes until they can get it converted to solor panels.

      • George E

        Ray,

        Thanks for your input. It’s good to hear from people who actually work in the oil and gas industry and know first-hand what’s really going on there.

      • JeffH

        Ray, Thank you,it’s always nice to have unbiased input from the hand on part of the “industry”.
        You’re correct, we all should take a little time to think about the brave men and women that took the risks with a tragic loss of life to make life a little more comfortable for us all.

      • marvin

        Ray well said when you have 98% of people that would not know the kelly from a chain guard and all they know is what the liberal press tells them 1st thing bushs fault or bp fault never mind it may have not been a accident and was man made there are people that hate us and want to do all the damage they can, i have never in my years of working on rigs saw a blow out preventer fail

      • Dave.

        I would suggest we start with “Prince Albert” himself – arguably the greatest offender in TN.

    • DaveH

      Barbara,
      You honestly believe that companies care nothing about risking their livelyhoods? If they have a major screwup, all the government fines heaped on them pale in comparison to the money they lose as a result of the accidents. You Liberals think Big Business people are bent on taking advantage of you (when they can’t even force you to buy their products) and then you blindly vote for Big Government which has a history of corruption, is operating on the money of many unwilling investors, and can force you to buy their products. Some logic.

    • angel-wanna-be

      JBird, damn, you said it before I did!

    • JLC

      Barbara, I am a retired engineer and, while I have never worked on a deep water oil rig, I have worked on a good many field jobs, so I can say this first-hand. Work of this sort is inherently dangerous, and the workers themselves know that full well — if they don’t, they are in the wrong business. Responsible employers take all possible safety precautions, not necessarily for humanitarian reasons (although, I’m sure, that, believe it or not, that does enter into it) but for economic reasons. Equipment is enormously expensive to replace, and lawsuits do not come cheap, either.

      • chuck b

        amer lib

        don’t get upset, just pulling your chain. just suggesting you are out of school should be considered a compliment in your case.

  • Doc Sarvis

    At this point all we have is Wild Speculation. All we know is there was a big explosion and environmental disaster is occurring as we speak.

  • Paul Pearson

    How sick to actually think that environmentalists are terrorists. Actually, BP worked hard in the past 12 years to eliminate and decrease the safety standards required by law in the US. Almost every other country on the globe with coastline drilling mandates the type of shutoff valve that would have stopped this spill, and you blame environmentalists?

    This platform had dozens of safety violation citations yet you blame environmentalists?

    Sick. Obama wanted this because of his green agenda? Yet he expanded Gulf drilling. How sick to suppose because you blame Obama and environmentalists for blowing up the rig and wanting the worst man-made ecological disaster in history, that changes the fact that the deregulated and already unsafe rig blew up by it’s own devices?

    Your ilk needs to be voted out of every single seat of public office in this country so this type of idiocy becomes relegated to the backwaters of society where it belongs.

    Oh, and I bet Professor George Rekers isn’t a fudgepacker, either.

    • jbird

      You are right Paul. It makes perfect sense that BP would risk a multi-million dollar investment, millions in profits, plus a billion or more in damages, just to cut a few corners. Good business acumen that. This accident could doom the company. I’m sure that’s what the BP brass had in mind all along.

    • American

      Paul, what would you call someone who kills, maims or causes fear in other people all in the name of their cause? This is what Jihadists do and this is terrorism. It’s not merely speculation, it’s fact, that environmentalists have murdered other people or caused severe bodily harm while going about sabotaging the efforts of those who don’t conform to what they believe is right. Webster’s New World Dictionary, Third College Edition lists the meaning of terrorism as: “1 the act of terrorizing; use of force or threats to demoralize, intimidate and subjugate esp. such use as a political weapon or policy. 2 the demoralization and intimidation produced in this way.” Unless you’ve been hiding under a rock for many, many years you know that environmentalists are guilty of terrorism. Therefore, it is not “sick” for us to think this, it is opinion based on fact.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Hey Pal, the environmentalist are terrorists. What do you call it when the spike tree’s and make chains come off and cut guys arms and legs off? What do you call it when they burn up an SUV dealership and all the vehicles? How about when they burn down a newly built apartment complex, because they didnt like where it was built at? I call all of these events terrorism, and these guys are domestic terrorists, and there isnt any doubt about it. If it wasnt for the stupid things like this that they do, no one would even wonder if they were behind it, but they leave themselves open to speculation when they go around doing the blatantly stupid things that I mentioned above. And they are terrorist, because they terrorize people when they do these things.

    • T.Paine

      You think it’s ”sick” to envision environmentalists as terrorists? Are you serious?? How about those enviro crusaders that set fire to new vehicles? How about those who set fire to new housing? Ever heard of the unabomber??
      Riddle me this Batman…WHY did the Dept.Of The Interior exempt BP Gulf operation from having to do a enviromental impact study last year?? The Bowboma administration does nothing without a reason…ya know-never let a crisis go to waste.
      Whackjobs all.
      As for your assertions that those who do not look on adoringly to the enviro nut jobs should be voted out of office….just you wait until Nov. we’ll see who gets relegated to the backwater…

    • http://aol.com Pathfinder

      Although the Lamestream media do not go to great lengths to make us aware of it; there have been numerous cases of arson committed by environmentalists. (SUVs at auto dealerships, and new homes for example). Guess that I am sick for believing that too.

  • http://www.g2interactive.com satch

    Anyone that has worked on an offshore oil rig knows that the biggest concern is SAFETY. Everyone out there knows that if something goes wrong they are most likely going to die. I speak from experience of having worked offshore for 3 years. The likely hood of taking shortcuts on cementing or any of the other procedures in bringing in a well are extremely remote. Ask any tool pusher.

    The big question is why didn’t the BOP (blow our preventer) shut down the well. That thing is as big as a diesel locomotive and is actuated automatically by pressure differentials.

    I would like to hear more from people that survived the fire and can give us more accurate information.

    Stopping offshore drilling because of this would be like shutting down all airliners because one crashed. Chernobyl (sp) wasn’t the cause of the end of nuclear power generation, it was special interests that would have lost money if we switched to clean, safe unlimited nuclear power generating electricity.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      It would appear, using common sense, that someone overrode via computer, the automatic blow off controls. That is the only way those things didnt blow, is if the computer controls told them not to. So who had access to the computers, and could they be accessed remotely?

    • Star427

      Let me just say that having been married to someone who worked in oil field services,and having had a boyfriend who worked on offshore rigs,and various friends who work in the oil industry,I have a bit of knowledge about the subject.I don’t know it all,but first and foremost let me say that the general public has NO IDEA the amount of safety regulations and rules in place from start to finish in the oil drilling process.Between the EPA,the federal government,OSHA,and the oil companies themselves it’s about ridiculous.Accidents do happen.Valves can and do fail.However-it is not the norm.If people would actually take the time to EDUCATE THEMSELVES,they would see that the blow out valve they are talking about is only 1 in a SERIES of valves-see here:http://oilgasglossary.com/blowout-preventer.html. See this page for a picture and MUCH more explanation:http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/etools/oilandgas/drilling/wellcontrol.html.Now,please,people,try to understand that while these things are run by computer,they are also monitored by computer.Which is in turn run and monitored by highly trained professionals.Most people consider riggers/roughnecks to be dumb stupid redneck hillbillies,but let me tell you,they are indeed not.The knowledge they have to have of the equipment,rig,safety regulations,and their job is incredible.I’ve seen the stacks of 3 and 4 inch binders on hazmat alone.If you had ANY idea what goes on during the day (which by the way runs 24hrs at a crack)on any given rig,you’d see the complexities,intricacies,and complications that occur.When you start to have a pressure problem,the person monitoring has to try to figure out where it’s coming from and why,then figure out what to do.If for some reason something happens in a split second,or goes unnoticed for whatever reason it can lead to disaster.While sabotage,until proven NOT a reason for this explosion and subsequent sinking of this rig,could have happened;I find it unlikely.
      What I DO think is odd about all this is more the events FOLLOWING the explosion.There is more story there than in the actual explosion.Someone mentioned earlier that it’s odd that NO ONE is talking to the families of the 11 who lost their lives.We’ve not heard if they’ve recovered bodies or not.While that could be simply privacy reasons,it’s a bit odd.Here’s the worst of it though-the oil companies IMMEDIATELY responded and started to try and find a solution.They IMMEDIATELY started asking for help from the federal government.This is actually part of the REQUIRED procedure,as the feds have to be notified,as well as any corresponding agency (i.e.OSHA etc.).When did the feds respond? And where is ANYONE coming out with the news regarding FIRE BOOMS?? Read this article here:http://blog.al.com/live/2010/05/fire_boom_oil_spill_raines.html.HOW MANY DAYS did the Obama administration LET THIS GO before they did anything? This could have been avoided.At least for the most part-up to 95%.WHY wasn’t it??You want to blame someone,ask the federal government WHY they did NOTHING while that oil leaked.And WHY when there was only 1 leak at first did it suddenly turn into 3??? If you’re looking for conspiracy theory,look for it there.
      On another note: one could ALSO look for conspiracy here:2 mine accidents in two weeks time.All of this while cap and trade talk is being ramped back up.Coincidence or not? YOU educate yourself – YOU decide.
      Just one point of view from another American independent.

      “Truth is a subjective form of perspective”

      • http://www.g2interactive.com satch

        Thanks for your comments Star. All of the rhetoric about BP being irresponsible and careless with safety is nonsense. Every man on the rig knows the risks and is safety conscious almost to a fault. Make that double for those on the drill floor.

        I haven’t read the regulations regarding drilling operations but knowing our governments love for regulations I expect they fill thousands of pages.

        So please all of you who know nothing of an offshore drilling operation, reserve your conjecture about BP until the facts are known.

        One last comment about the “big oil compaines greed and disregard for safety. Do any of you know how much it costs to operate a deep water drilling operation per day? In 1983 it was a million dollars a day. And you know what else? There was no guarantee that producible oil would be discovered. There are more capped dry holes in the world than there are producing wells.

    • marvin

      satch i have posted a couple post on the bop in my 20 plus year off and on working from one end of the oil field from drilling on rigs, to running spudder to pulling units to pumper casing pulling and pluging wells i can not ever recall a bop not working if anyone on here can, just show when and where

  • American Liberal

    One thing you can count on….BP will pass the cost of this disaster on to the gas pumps….I just can’t figureout why you rightwinges love to protect big Oil and Wallstreet at your own expense…… You remind me of the prisoner who’s about to be Executed but insists on tipping the hangman…..

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      I love big oil. Give credit where credit is due. Without them, this country shuts down immediately. Capish? Or is this over your intelligence level.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Unfortunately, I have to agree with you on this one. This cost will be passed on to the consumer.

      • Claire

        Beberoni–You got that right! Gas is $2.99 a gallon here. I should have said $3. The gas stations will be busy upping the price any minute now.

    • TIME

      Nana wit,
      If you knew anything about history, then you would know that tipping the Hangman was a normal thing.
      Afterall no one wants to just hang there, nor have their head half cut off, so you paid a little extra for a clean cut / or a extra left snag on the drop, etc..

  • Geo

    Why is it that I hear nothing about the North Korean attack on the Rig as reported by Russia? There are rumors that there is a Blackout on the possibility here in the US… http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1367.htm & http://www.therightperspective.org/2010/05/02/did-north-korea-torpedo-oil-rig-in-us-gulf/

    Geo

  • http://www.personalliberty.com/john-myers/a-crude-coincidence%E2%80%94the-gulf-oil-spill-works-out-well-for-the-greens/ Woolval

    I want a donut.

  • AM

    Anyone out there knowledgable about the UNFCCC Treaty? United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change Treaty. If not, you should be. Obama and his administration(fellow UN friends) are so knee-deep in this that it truly is amazing. It all involves using the carbon tax world-wide under a new world government that will be run by the UN. Complete with one-world army(UN blue helmets), one-world bank(to be run by the federal reserve company) and one-world currency(already minted and given as gifts to several heads of states/presidents/ministers/etc., including Obama in July 2009). How convenient for the BP oil rig to explode when Obama and his administration are trying to pass their Carbon Tax bills in congress right now. They fall directly under what the UNFCCC Treaty is all about and considering the climategate scandal came out just before the UN and Obama and his administration could get the world countries to sign the UNFCCC Treaty in Copenhagen, Denmark December 2009, the climategate scandal put doubt in people’s minds about carbon emission research and whether a tax on it would actually reduce CO2 levels of the earth, then obviously the council had to do something to to show that America needs a greener world, a more environmentally-friendly world and that these new tax bills will help the environment as well as stopping off-shore drilling… You see, the UN will by holding another climate summit meeting in Cancun, Mexico Nov.29-Dec.10, 2010. Again, they will try and get the UNFCCC Treaty signed by some 190+ countries around the world. Of course, it makes sense that the ‘green movement’ would be looking for an environmental disaster at a time like this and the BP oil rig explosion is just perfect and the timing couldn’t be better. By the way, what’s up with BP Solar?!? Does BP stand to make more money off of the ‘green movement’ than they may lose in the Gulf of Mexico oil spill? What are their connections to this? UNCTAD (United Nations Conference on Trade and Development) Commission.??? Time shall tell, I suppose. Good luck America. Do your research, stay strong and speak up!!! Now’s the time.

    • Tracy

      I realized in teh 90′s when the government changed the gas at the pumps to not allow the sale of leaded gas anymore that the idea is to take away our rights to own an old car, make all people HAVE to buy new ones with electronic computerized chips in the ignition. The ignitions in the new cars can be disabled by satellite all at teh same time. take away our cars and electricity and where will we be?

      I used to drive a neat 71 VW van. Anywyas it seems the idea is to plunge us all into pre electric times, not eat meat, walk or rides bikes, and have no real healthcare. They want the population to dwindle down to 90% less than what we currently are. We can (if we survive) be their serfs and they can use all teh gas ect that they need BECAUSE they are special and we are not!!!!One world govment yes. Very evil plan and it is biblical.

  • JPW-

    Booberone and JEFFhate you two sure are retards oop’s I mean mentally challenged.

    • JeffH

      JPW- Thank you. It’s so nice to see you make a well thought out contribution. Is the name calling a new liberal ploy you use when you can’t think of anything else to say? I’ve never heard it used before!

      • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Dale

        Drill, drill, drill in Montana! There’s a virtual unlimited supply there if my uneerstanding is correct. That would take care of the potential hazards that accompany off-shore drilling! And we wouldn’t be at the mercy of foreign oil interests. Aww heck, that’s just too simplistic.

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear JPW,
      How does name calling of this sort contribute to the discussion? Please resist the temptation to resort to pre-teen tactics and offer substance.
      All the best,
      Bob

      • Claire

        Bob Livingston_– Hi!! I appreciate your reply. Enough with name-calling. It only shows the person’s lack of character, manners, and upbringing. Like my precious Mother used to say: “You get more with honey than you do vinegar.” Besides, we don’t need hate to prove or state a point.

    • Wendy Tuch

      You are wasting our time with your ‘rhetoric’ and I use the term loosely. This is a critical issue and if you cannot be civil, get the h— of this site.

      doctort

  • Brian

    One has only to review the wind farm in Nantucket Sound to see the greens have painted themselves into a corner on energy production. While nobody can dismiss the seriousness of the oil rig accident, the event does not mitigate our economy’s requirement for petroleum to operate. The wind farm in Massachusetts was proposed as an alternative energy solution commensurate with the greens past exhortations to this method of energy production. However, the strongest resistance to this wind farm has come from the greens and their allies on matters of the ocean bottom, dangers to birds in addition to dangers to air traffic and commercial fishing. The confused message of the greens only weakens their arguments. They have money and political clout but lack credibility. This credibility is only propped up by sympathetic parties who coincidentally have a stake in Nantucket Sound as playground more than anything else.

    In the context of oil production though, they have even less credibility. While the greens rail against petroleum production, they do not offer real solutions in the form of a product or energy source which people would choose at a price in a free market system. They instead offer only punitive punishments against consumers as well as producers because they have not acted to complied with the demands of the green lobby. This serves only to harden peoples’ resistance to this interest group in the desire to preserve a standard of living which the green lobby seeks to only make artificially more expensive through taxation, regulation fees and other confiscatory methods. That people who work hard to improve their standard of living and then have to put up with the green lobby using elected officials to punish the same citizens will in the long run only cause more damage than benefits to the greens and their agenda.

  • http://Personallibertydigest Jim in NY

    There are too many coincidences to not at least entertain the notion that something is amiss. The feds have looked into incidents that have far fewer implications than this one has. Also it would not surprise me if the Greens were responsible that they were unknowingly abetted by muslim factions. It would not even surprise me if some of our gulf “friends” were somewhere in the background so as to keep their monopoly on American dependence for oil(if you also believe that they don’t have the reserves that that they claim to have). The biggest problem is our “enlightened” leader Obama is the perfect dupe for these factions. He has already suspended oil exploration and I am sure at the very least will drag his feet before making any other decisions so he tries to balance keeping the far left/Al Gore crowd and sensible Americans who understand that we cannot continue to pay the world and their escalating prices for the oil we need. He will hold that carrott to each group until after the 2012 election that in his arrogance he believes he will not lose and then side with the greens because he will not care what the rest of America wants or needs.

    • chuck b

      chaos factor

      pay attention now;

      We see Obama once again help the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. He could open the floodgates for American jobs by allowing Americans to drill for oil, but no he sends that money to Brazil to help George Soros make money.

      Soros’ company invested $811 million earlier this year in the find after it was announced earlier this year. The find is the biggest find in this hemisphere, and Soros was quick to get his hands on it.

      Unreal! Obama’s presidency seems to be one long trail to pay back all the people that put the inexperienced candidate in office with their pocketbooks. It didn’t take long for the paybacks to begin.

      you talk about haliburton.

      • Bob Wire

        Quote”Unreal! Obama’s presidency seems to be one long trail to pay back all the people that put the inexperienced candidate in office with their pocketbooks. It didn’t take long for the paybacks to begin.

        you talk about haliburton.”

        And you see this as a bad thing,? Right? ~ People getting paid back, Good Luck and Good Bets and winning horses is a “Bad Thing” ? Hmm? I fail to follow your logic.

        As for talking about Haliburton, I haven’t in a good spell but I sure can and see long history of “Conflict of Interest” just for openers. Do you wish me to continue?

  • Wendy Tuch

    CRIME, INC. has done it again with the help of eco-terrorists. (my opinion).

    Let me share something from Newt Gingrich’s latest newsletter, if I might. Of course, his column, as usual, is right on the money. Tell me what you think.

    Investigate. Fix. Move Forward.

    Ultimately, this is a question about the character of America.

    Will our response to this disaster be to stop, litigate, and lose our nerve?

    Or will it be the historic American response to challenges such as these: investigate, fix, and move forward with a safer system than before?

    When two airliners collided over the Grand Canyon in 1956 with disastrous fatalities, followed by two similar accidents in 1958, the answer was not shutting down the commercial airline industry. The answer was developing the air traffic control system which has made commercial air travel much, much safer than driving a car.

    After the 1979 incident at Three Mile Island nuclear plant, an independent commission was appointed to investigate exhaustively the cause of that event. The response was not to abandon nuclear power, which produces 20% of electricity in the United States.

    After the levees failed in New Orleans during Hurricane Katrina in 2005, an independent investigation determined that new levees should have specific engineering upgrades, more erosion protection, and that there should be better communication between the federal and local governments. The response was not to force residents to abandon New Orleans forever.

    Similarly, we should take the BP disaster very seriously. Yesterday, American Solutions called for an independent commission to investigate the spill, paralleling the commissions that investigated Three Mile Island and the Challenger explosion.

    Those who favor offshore development must respond with greater intensity than those who oppose development and have the luxury of unthinking opposition with no thought to the economic and national security consequences.

    We should support a vigorous investigation that determines what investments could have avoided it and what the most effective cleanup system would have been. And then we should support a lean, effective government to implement those findings.

    You make the call.

    doctort

  • Dean

    It was the first thought that came to my mind.

    • American liberal

      Dean…. My first thought was… Who will benifit from offshore drilling…..and my answer is… Only the oil industry……the impact of offshore drilling will only make money for companys like BP…. It’s not ever going to bring down the price at the pump and by the time this oil reaches the gas station it will have zero effect on supply….BP made a profit of 5.5 billion last year…. A bp record….

      • TIME

        Nano Wit,
        I know this is really hard for you to grasp, but the food you eat, the cloths you wear, the Computer your on, the air conditioning you so enjoy and the water you drink at home and the water you use to flush your Potty, are all dependant on OIL PRODUCTION let alone the car your mommie drives.

        So who profits from oil production?
        YOU DO Nano Wit! Just as well all do.

      • George E

        Liberal,

        I don’t see any way an oil spill like this would benefit the oil industry. I do see how it “might” benefit the environmental movement, however. If you think the oil industry would do something like this, please explain your logic. I just don’t see any logic to support that belief right now.

      • NANCY

        Shocked I am by the responces, anger and name calling by adults. No wonder our children act the way they do. This is a very serious matter yet most of you answered in anger in stead of thinking first and answering like a mature adult. There was no reason for name calling and belittling others who gave their “own” opinion. Afterall, it was just their opinion. Everyone does not have the same opinion so why belittle someones opinion if it is not the same as yours. Those responces were something I would expect from a teen not a mature adult. All these opinions have done is place information and caused confusion in the minds of who ever read them. Yes, we should look at all aspects but they should have been presented as aspects. Pointing the finger and name calling is an immature way to get people to believe in what you believe in. Personally, I choose to wait for the results of the investigation.

        • TIME

          Nancy,
          Just who do you think is going to give you said results?
          Do you still think that there is a Santa?
          How about the BarryO Bunny?

          Do you think abc = All Butt Crap or nbc = Nothing butt Crap, or cbs = Could Be Stinky – cnn = Crap News Net, msnbc = Making Stupid News Butts CRAPs, are going to give you any info thats true fact?
          If these crap on a stick alledged media are going to give you any “TRUTH”, then you still think that the BarryO bunny will leave some eggs in your yard.

  • Jack Thomsen

    Funny how gopers think 9/11 was Islamic terror – yet OKC was an inside job.

    BOTH SIDES CONDUCT FALSE FLAG OPERATIONS>…. that’s why Brownie and company are questioning this even.

    BECAUSE THEY KNOW the truth of 9/11 – and every other false flag since the practice became routine.

  • http://www.ecoenergygroupusa.com Steve Jones

    I rarely post on this blog but I cannot resist reminding readers the annouced goal of the fanatic greens is to reduce the population of the earth to 100 million or less. Check it out for yourself. It takes about 15 minutes to find the blogs and sites. Always wondered who is going to select the Chosen Few? Maybe Liberal has some ideas on this?

    • Tracy

      Steve, You are absolutely right. We need to step back and look at teh BIG picture. What is the ultimate goal of all teh actions occurring at the same time? Big government….no….. One world government.

    • Jack Thomsen

      who will select the chosen few? — why, the CHOSEN FEW — just like always.

      Talk to a German over the age of 60

      • TIME

        Oh where oh where is my GPS tracking implant so I can be on the list of the ones who’s not going make it.

        Now can we see whats in store for your future, the ice burg may look small as it sits on the water, but whats below is what you need to really think about.

      • goat head on

        one name……Van Jones…..Obama bin ladens green czar

        • tracycolorado

          DEVOTED COMMUNIST , VAN JONES

    • Doc Sarvis

      Big freaking deal.
      Any and Every fanatical group is emboldened to say Anything on the internet – all across the political spectrum. Just because you can find someone saying outragious things on the internet in NO way means that you can paint a larger group by that statement.

  • Jimmy Larry B

    WE may or may not find the reason or who blow up the oil rig but I am willing to bet it has ties to the same source and I’ll double that bet if it doesn’t lead to Hussin O –deep dark Chicago style cover-up. Has anyone noticed how many people in Czar and other control position are connected to the Chicago style politic’s (how has Chicago remain American?????)and the bring down of American system.

  • http://aol.com Pathfinder

    The liberals will appreciate the fact that I am no fan of GW Bush. Bush spent even more than Bill Clinton.
    However, they hate to admit, that as bad as Bush was; Imposter-in-chief Obama is EVEN WORSE !! With the election of 2008 we have gone out of the frying pan and into the fire. This is why I refuse to support BOTH the republicans and the democrats.
    VOTE LIBERTARIAN !

    • American liberal

      Pathfinder… I’ll admitt this about President Obamas spending….. Most of his spending that you rightwingers blame him for is actually stimulas spending due to Bush running our economy off the economic cliff….

      • George E

        Do you think the stimulus spending is working? I don’t.

        • TIME

          George,
          Nano Wit still lives at home and mommie buys him his stuff, when he gets a real job that is other than polishing door knobs with his lips. That is when he grows up past 15, perhaps he may change his dippers.

        • Doc Sarvis

          It’s not hurting.

        • Claire

          George E– The news media each tell a different story, it depends upon the journalist, TV, and radio talk show people–they all have differing opinions. They all lean left or right. Most of the Dems says it is working while the Repubs says it is not. If the Republicans had passed the stimulous then everything would be great. Same with the Dems. And it depends upon whom we ourselves talk to. Some of the people I know are still having a rough time, other people are doing great. I sometimes think it depends on the “predicament” people may have created for themselves. Others have lost their jobs through no fault of their own.
          I cannot tell if the stimulous is working yet. Personally, Bob and I are doing o.k. We watch what we spend, and don’t throw money out the window.
          It seems procedures like this take a lot of time, especially since America has been in dire straits for a good number of years. It will probably take another year or so, maybe more. Since the government authorized the stimulous and it is a done deal, all I can say is that I hope it works. And be advised I would say this regardless of the administration that is in office at the present time. I don’t want to see any failure.

  • Danny Jeffrey

    Once our boys in Korea were being attacked by the Reds. Now perhaps we are under assault by the Greens and most definitely conservative America is under attack from the S.E.I.U. Purples.
    If a group of Polka Dots show up I’m going to Costa Rica with Rush.

  • Lyn

    I just assumed it was the Arab and Venezualen Oil Companies that blew it up. When Obama opened up drilling here at home they knew their sales would drop! I would say probably the Arab’s because they are so good at blowing us up. They will probably sabatage anything we do to get off of our dependence upon them. Oil is the only thing they have other than horses that is worth anything. All they have is sand and the money and or gold they got from us selling us oil! I really have a hard time believing an eco terrorist would do this because of the loss of life, human and animal.

  • American liberal

    As I understand it… BP hired Haliburton to run the rig and it wasn’t BPs equipment on the platform…… Still nobodys concerned with Cheneys secret energy commission meeting?..

    • George E

      What’s Dick Cheney got to do with this oil spill?

      • JeffH

        George E. Here’s one you may not have known.

        BIZNETDAILY

        Soros makes Halliburton stealth buy
        Report reveals billionaire funder of left-wing groups invests more than $62 million
        March 02, 2007

        George Soros

        Billionaire George Soros has quietly invested $62 million in the purchase of more than 2 million shares of Halliburton, the major government contractor criticized by his own Open Society Institute and the activist group he funds, MoveOn.org.

        The holdings were disclosed in a quarterly filing with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission by Soros Fund Management LLC.

        Vice President Cheney is the former CEO of Halliburton.

        As WND reported, another outspoken leftist who had criticized Halliburton was discovered to own stock in the company – filmmaker Michael Moore.

        “I think people find that stuff funny – Michael Moore owns Halliburton stock,” said Moore in a Nov. 23, 2005, speech carried by C-SPAN. “That’s like a great comedy line. I know it’s not true. I’ve never owned a share of stock in my life – anything. Did anyone see that a couple weeks ago? Somebody was yakking away. And I just thought, uh, that’s funny, I guess. Anyone who knows me is not going to believe that. Who’s going to believe that? Just crazy people are going to believe it.”

        There was just one problem with that denial, said Peter Schweizer, author of the best-seller book “Do As I Say (Not As I Do).” Tax returns of Moore’s non-profit foundation – a non-profit foundation for which there are only two officers, Moore and his wife – showed ownership of 2,000 shares of Halliburton, the company most vilified by Moore in “Fahrenheit 9/11.”

        “The real question, however, is whether MoveOn.org, the Center for American Progress, and other organizations that have benefited from Soros’ charity will see a problem with accepting money earned off Halliburton shares?”
        http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54532

      • JeffH

        George E, I guess one should also ask the same questions about G.Soros and Michael Moore. Ya think? Makes about as much sense.

        • George E

          I believe an objective person would want to know the answer to your question. Thanks.

  • Phantom Bantam

    I don’t want to be labeled as a “conspiracy” wacko; but the explosion of the oil rig in April and the explosion in the coal mine in West Virginia in March–two disasters in, one right after the other, appears a little more than suspicious to me; especially when you consider that during his campaign, Mr. Obama spoke often about putting the coal industry out of business and preventing offshore oil drilling. The explosions of March and April fit right into his campaign promises. What do you think?

  • JeffH

    …and Laura talks about twisted?

  • chuck b

    does anyone have info on why they didn’t burn the surface crude before it reached shore?? the media reported the coast guard was going too, then nothing happened or was reported.

    • JeffH

      chuck b, I think they said the weather conditions delayed the burn off.

  • angel-wanna-be

    hope link works for texas refinery explosion_

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100505/ap_on_re_us/us_refinery_fire_4

    • JeffH

      angel-wanna-be, thanks for the update…disregard my link from above.

      Truck explodes, sparks fire at Texas refinery

      Friday, April 2, 2010
      Last updated 5:10 p.m. PT

      Four dead after Anacortes refinery explodes
      Three of the dead identified
      ANACORTES — An explosion and fire at the Tesoro Refinery shook homes and shot flames into the night sky early Friday, killing four people and critically injuring three others.
      http://www.seattlepi.com/local/417782_refine02.html

      • angel-wanna-be

        JeffH, no probs!

  • Char

    when i read a headline the other day re Obama’s off shore drilling policy being temporarily suspended, the thought occured to me that this would be a good excuse for a permanent change in his policy. i also know how passionate some Greens are about their cause, so i wouldn’t be a bit surprised if this leads to an end of off shore drilling.

  • Theophilus

    I can’t believe that everyone seems to be missing the most point consequence that will result from this incident. Does Obama have the character and the courage to do the hard thing and resume offshore drilling? When the two space shuttle crashes occurred we picked up and moved on, when the

  • marvin

    obama sent nepolitano and holder to the gulf we can all rest better now it would take both to turn on a light if someone showed them the switch ,they and the allmity obama will just hold up hands and spread the sea and and pelosie will turn the bop [can not send byden would be to big a f--king deal] on and the oil will pool and no more problums a little sarcasm

  • Chaos Factor

    Some of the workers on the rig are saying their was no safety valve on the rig so the company could save money….. : of course, they don’t care about workers safety or the enviorment…. Typical rightwing reasoning….

    • TIME

      So thank your bubba BarryO who let BP slide last summer.. Check it out its TRUTH and FACT.

  • American liberal

    Chuck..wow.. A school insult… That must of taken all wit you could muster up… You’re gonna need a nap…

  • rjg

    Does anyone have any actual old fashioned evidence that this was anything other than an accident? Or is everything a conspiracy until proven otherwise.

    • JeffH

      rjg, It may take years or decades to get the real facts. Conspiracy? Possible! Accident? Possible! With all of the lawyers, politicians and corporations involved it will continue to be a three ring circus. I wish there could be more trust involved, but with the corruptions throughout and the necessities of cover ups to CYA it becomes a matter of who can you trust. Just purely on this administration’s agenda there is reason to be suspicious. I wish it weren’t that way, but it is, it has to be.

    • denniso

      rjg…these people see a conspiracy in every event, as long as it supports their political agenda. Environmentalists are evil, Obama wants a one world gov’t, FEMA camps to lock all of us up, liberals want to destroy the country, and on and on…childish,stupid and detrimental to actual thinking and reasoning and solving our real problems.

      • DaveH

        Like there is any actual thinking and reasoning in your comments, Dumniso.

      • JeffH

        Hah!…Boo!

    • tracycolorado

      ASK JOHN KENNEDY , MARTIN LUTHER KING AND THE VICTOMS OF 9/11 , WHEN YOU GET AROUND TO IT

      • rjg

        So when i meet up with JFK, Martin Luther King and the victims of the 9/11 terror attacks in the after life they will have the truth about what really happened on the oil rig?

        Ok Then

        • Bob Wire

          Don’t forget Jimmy Hoffa, I’m sure he’s got an interesting story to tell as well.

  • DaveH

    Straight from Michelle’s mouth:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M7Rp_Ghv6k

    • Claire

      I am proud to say my home state is the lovely state of Wisconsin!!

      • libertytrain

        As was mine.

        • Claire

          libertytrain– That is great! I love Wisconsin. I have a lot of relatives there. Gobs of them. They are all Lutheran and Catholic and almost everyone has a big family. My Mother was the oldest of 9 kids.
          My family is big and wonderful!!

          • libertytrain

            I was a city girl – Milwaukee.

          • Claire

            libertytrain–I was born in Plymouth. We have a family reunion the first part of September every year, sometimes in Sheboygan or in Fond du Lac. Geez, we end up with about 250 people. It is amazing!

          • libertytrain

            And I have to assume you have brats at your gala event. From Sheboygan of course – I would have liked to live in Plymouth or Sheboygan. Nice places.

          • Claire

            libertytrain–Oh yes, plenty of brats and beer. The food is wonderful–German potato salad, all kinds of German dishes. Gosh, I love the food, it is making me hungry now! We play baseball, and all sorts of games. It is a lot of fun. The weather has been great every year, hope it is again this year. And don’t laugh at me. I take the dogs! They have fun with the kids and everybody. The dogs love to play ball and they are excellent retrievers. I have a generator for the van to keep them comfortable if it is unduly hot. I go prepared! I don’t board my dogs, it would cost me a small fortune and besides they are happier with me and Bob. Sorry, I rambled again!

          • libertytrain

            Claire, they sound great – wish I was family!

          • Claire

            libertytrain- I wish you were too! You would be more than welcome to attend! The food is great and the company is a lot of fun.

          • libertytrain

            I’d bring brats – maybe Klements or Usingers – I like them all. And beer, I’m not sure – I love so many. When’s the next one?

          • Claire

            libertytrain–I have not heard when the next one will be. Usually the first part of September. I will let you know. It may be a problem for me this year, Bob has 2 aneurysms near the heart. I think I may have mentioned it in one of my earlier posts. I hate getting on the interstate–what if something happened? He would have to be in a hospital in 10 minutes. And then again he could go for 20 years and nothing will happen.
            However, If I go by myself, I will try to get my daughter to go with me. If my son stays here at home with his Dad, I may get to go.
            I will certainly keep you updated!

          • libertytrain

            Claire – I hope you get to go! And, don’t worry, I can’t crash the party this year, but perhaps next year can go as your long lost cousin twice-removed.

    • rjg

      Dude He is your president. You don’t have to like it but you have to live with it for at least another 2 1/2 years.

  • Shar

    Your argument makes no sense…environmentalists would never do this…BUT the spin-idiots on the conservative side that want to drill everywhere – like yourself – will find anyway to pervert events to fit their agenda. IDIOTS!

    • DaveH

      Never say Never, ignorant Liberal:
      http://www.rickross.com/groups/animal.html

    • DaveH
      • Bob Wire

        Okay DaveH, I looked up one of your links

        “The ELF was classified as the top “domestic terror” threat in the United States by the Federal Bureau of Investigation in March 2001,[8][9] and are categorised as “eco-terrorists”.[10] The ELF’s guidelines require that individuals or groups acting on its behalf “take all necessary precautions against harming any animal — human and nonhuman.”

        Note; take all necessary precautions against harming any animal — human and nonhuman.”

        Do you really think this link supports your ideas well enough to call someone an ignorant liberal? I think not !

        Why must we endure you, can’t you even read your own links?

        Okay, who’s next?

    • DaveH

      And another:
      http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,153886,00.html

      People who live in Glass Houses shouldn’t throw stones.

  • john

    Yeah, and president bush/cheny planned and executed the attack on the World Trade Center, and on the Pentagon that took place on 9/11. It makes more sense than this theory. The 9/11 attack gave the conservatives the license to subvert our constitution and personal freedoms in order to increase their own power, to start a needless and stupid war in Iraq, and to tell the world that we will bring war to them if they don’t “behave”.

    • denniso

      You’re right…the 9/11 conspiracy makes more sense than an environmentalist blowing up a drilling platform. Much more plausible.

      • Bob Wire

        I don’t think Bush planned anything! he couldn’t “plan” a PTA meeting. now Chaney & Karl perhaps?

        Impeach? are you on the right thread?

        One question. WHY? expecting one answer that makes sense and conforms to the requirement of the impeachment process.

  • JeffH

    Claire, I took the liberty to check into Exxon payouts for the Valdez debacle. It seems payments could span

    Latest Exxon payout includes Bristol Bay
    Posted by The Highliner
    February 21, 2009

    Lawyers overseeing money collected from the Exxon Valdez oil spill are asking a federal judge to approve more payments to a range of commercial fishermen including Bristol Bay salmon gillnetters.
    This is darned complicated, but it appears this payout involves money from something called the Alyeska Qualified Settlement Fund, as well as some punitive damages

    It seem there is a fund known as The Alyeska Qualified Settlement Fund and payments must be authorized by a federal judge.

    http://community.adn.com/adn/node/138283

    • Claire

      JeffH–Thanks for looking it up. All I know is what Bob (my husband) told me. And he said that a lot of the fishermen never got their money and some have already passed away. What a shame! Real nice judge they have up there or wherever. It makes me positively ill.

      • JeffH

        Claire, I think it is the bureaucracy of the process, law, judges, lawyers and the government. I’m pretty sure the corporation had to pay the money into the fund, then those impacted have to make a claim…yada yada..until the judge Ok’s any dole from the fund.

        • Claire

          JeffH–It is such a sad situation. It is not fair and this is what makes me angry about it. Some of these dang judges shouldn’t even be in a position to “judge.” I don’t call it “judging” I call it being “bought” in some cases.

          • Bob Wire

            Your Husband is correct Claire, the people of Prince William Sound took it on the chin, by Big Oil and the Highest Court in Our Land. They lost a way of life, a livelihood, homes, and devastated families.

            And the worst thing about it is, you and I did “nothing about it” just felt sad.

            I’m wondering if they let me post again ~ I get blocked for saying the truth sometime. ~ The truth is not always welcome and pleasant to hear.

          • Bob Wire

            Right on Marvin, something that cost a half a million dollars, is “Low Tech”, made of American Steel and weight 3000 pounds and has but one job to do ~~ don’t fail!

            BP didn’t install a blow-out prevention device ! saving the company a cool 3/4 million dollars is my guess!

            Who’s going down to inspect and verify? ~

            In a very twisted way, this could be a good thing. ~ Cheap oil suppresses funds to R&D for future energy needs. And it a Global issue really, not just American.

            There is better ways of producing “work” ~ Combustion is Caveman technology! I know that statement might come as a shock to many people. But if man is to ever reach the Stars, it won’t be riding something belching fire and smoke.

            But for now, we use it and are slaves to Big Oil and combustion and all that it details. We don’t have enough people looking hard enough for “options”. Big Oil really don’t care much for options, it goes against prevailing self-interest. Big Oil runs the world we live in, with-out big oil, all the lights goes out and we are in the dark and pedestrians!

            Anybody read “Dune” by Herpert something other? ~ Futuristic book, Man had colonized space, vast galaxies and just like today, needed to move about (more the ever!) This “conveyance” is make possible by “a” Cartel of mutated “being” that consumed “worm excrement” they referred to as “Spice” from this one particular planet. They developed the ability to “fold space” making great distances a quick commuter hop.

            This ability places them in high demand, the spice in high demand and they wielded great power and political influence. Wars are fought and marriages arranged between ruling families from thousands of solar systems, all to control the spice.

            Sound familiar? The Cartel has mutated well beyond any resemblance of “human” just big brains with frail appendages with human “handlers” that assist them around and do their bidding.

            Life as everyone knows it to be, impossible without the Cartel.

          • JeffH

            Bob Wire, maybe you can provide the links to support your comments. That could add some credibility to them.

      • Michael

        I think there are any number of suspects including Bin Ladin, Russia, North Korea,(South Korea built the Horizon)Iran and even the proverbial disgruntled employee.

        In fact the Russians are saying it was a North Korean Sub although I can’t imagine them operating any further than the Sea of Japan.

        By the way there was an incident in California a year or so ago where a guy was arrested for either trying or actually succeeding in sabatoging the control software on a Platform there.

  • 4gsltw

    PLEASE! What would be the ONLY reason obama would agree to offshore drilling? If he knew there would be an “accident” that would “force” him to reconsider.

  • John-Law

    What the Greens don’t consider is what is going to happen if they do get there way. It is easy to be green as long as oil is still cheap. But if offshore is shut-down dependence on Arab oil grows and oil because much more expansive

    • Bob Wire

      Well the “Greens” didn’t consider it, for they had no part in it too consider!

      You have turned a wild assumption into an indictment exactly as this right wing author intended. ~ Welcome to the world of the “Ditto Head” Now get in line a repeat after me, God is Great! and We have the Right and the Power to do as we please and if things goes poorly we can always blame someone else.

  • Delores Smith

    John Myers – Terrific Article – Thank you.
    I believe that everything in your article is VERY possible, except that Warren Buffett says that one incident should not change a policy…so, forget it, Obama.
    Here’s my theory from a woman who knows nothing about oil rigs. 1. Shouldn’t cement dry for 24 hours instead of 20 hours? This would not cause the explosion on April 20, but it is important to my other info. 2. The oil did not start GUSHING until April 24th. On April 24th, Southern Texas had a 4.0 earthquake. Did the oil rig explosion cause the eventual earthquake or did the earthquake cause the GUSHING of oil? 3. Is the oil rig on a fault? If so, are they repairing the large leak as you would a fault…assuming a fault can be repaired? Southern Texas and Southern Louisiana’s fault is a straight line across the two states. Could the oil rig be close enough to feel the quake or aftershock? Did the quake blow out the cement that was not dry enough?
    As to the Green Movement, in my opinion, I think the Green in the movement represents $$$. Yes, John, your article is very possible as to the explosion.

    • Bob Wire

      Quote;”Delores Smith says:
      May 8, 2010 at 11:28 am

      John Myers – Terrific Article – Thank you.

      As to the Green Movement, in my opinion, I think the Green in the movement represents $$$. Yes, John, your article is very possible as to the explosion.”

      Opinions is what we are here for and share; “The Green Movement” is about “preservation” of Mother Earth.

      and just about “Everything” is about money in one form or fashion.

      The Oil Business is about money or is it about supplying energy?

      I think the article ridicules and also about money, Big Oil money as it attempts to defer blame and guilt to “other parties” ~ Just more “right -wing” politics , Karl Rove style.

  • http://personallibertydigest georgie girl

    We believe someone that really know’s about such things gets out there and checks it out to see if someone really did do this. It’s seem very fun that Obama was going to let us drill but he is also trying to get a treaty passsed with the united nations to collect taxes from the Americans now isn’t that a great President,he takes all our money and lets all these people in from over sea’s to take our jobs and now the latinos has the right to say there going to kill cops if they don’t get what they want in Arizona,this all is getting out of hand. This man has srewed us over since he took office and so is Pelosi she shouldn’t get back in that seat,they are spending our money like it flows out of the faucet,I wouldn’t doubt one in the government knows what really went wrong on that rig,but they’ll just drag their feet to find out. We read off the manitor that new york is letting muslims Islam build a mosque over the 9-11 sight isn’t that awful but their laughing at all of us,if this is true, you all should Americas as the last man standing a speech by Geert Wilders http;//www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/wilders.asp,were going to loose America if we don’t stand together and get these people out and close our borders and everyone that are here by amnesty or illegal should be checked out and if they don’t want to pay and speak read English they should go home now and stop letting muslim, we must stop Sharia and all that preach to killed infidels,this has got to stop. In case you haven’t heard Obama and H.CLINTON WANT OUR MILITARY TO BE UNDER UNITED NATIONS ARMY and if they don’t they get put in jail ,thats freedom folks just write or e-mail Lt Col. Oliver North thats how we found out and their on food stamps and are not get new weapons or equipment they have hunt for parts,hoping I’am wrong,God Bless are Military and those that love our History Custom, and freedom lets fight with words and Tea Partys and letters or phone calls to all Senators-Mayors-Governors and maybe will be able to stop this health care with amendment 28 Good luck in finding out about the OIL well leak.

  • Anthony

    Some really great comments here… more than on just about any other thread, it seems.
    Fact: The Left/Right Paradigm is a false flag operation. Believe it.

    Belief: BP is most likely the real culprit in all this, not just Haliburton (before you go screaming Cheney here, remember John Kerry and wife were on the Board – probably still secretly are).
    Why do I say BP is the real culprit here? Google up, or ask someone you know, in the biz… about another oil rig called: Thunder Horse. According to the research I’ve been following, BP has a long history of these types of screw ups.

    Conspiracy?: There are a couple of theories here. I’m not saying I subscribe to either – but here goes…
    A) It is suspected or realized as a possibility, that boats going back and forth to the oil rig don’t necessarily have to deal with customs inspections. So, running drugs in the Gulf, could be fairly easy pending they can make it to the Oil Rig (secretly). Is this a Drug war? – was the question…. [Remember – I don’t necessarily buy into this – but the MSM have been great at keeping tons of knowledge from the people in my lifetime. Think how much the drug war has affected Mexico over the last 18-24 months… just sayin’.

    — This next one is seriously out there…

    B) According to some international thinking, this explosion was the nady work of North Korea in a WAR battle with South Korea. Both Nations are still considered to be at war with each other. And, apparently, South Korea has a company that worked directly with the building of this Oil Rig. Hence, the war scenario is then viable and (ahem) legal, on an International basis. The thinking then goes on to speculate that the quick and best way to save the eco-system would be a thermo-nuclear explosion a mile down where the well head is located. It may cause some radioactive damage to the fishing for awhile, but it would stop the leak right here and now. Such an even would also be the decision of Obama and no one else. If he were to choose that option, then all other Nations would want the same right as the U.S. for when such events were to happen. meaning expansion of Nuclear Weapons to almost all Countries. Since USA and ISRAEL don’t exactly like that to happen… Obama has taken the other stance of allowing the eco-system to be damaged and using the “opportunity” to foment NO DRILLING, which was what the Money People wanted all along. If they start drilling here, then the secret stance of running a pipeline over in the Middle East in Afghanistan/IRAQ down to the Gulf around IRAN, negating OPEC basically suddenly becomes a rocky boat to stand on – but it is the real reason we’re over there anyway. Drilling in the U.S. also stops the rush to tear down this Country… the economy would come booming back, along with a resurgence of factory work, as well… Something the CFR has been working to tear down, with Clinton’s signing of NAFTA AND GATT.

    Again – I don’t say I subscribe to either of these …..rumors.
    But, the evidence of either becoming realistic should be small.
    But…. is it?

    The report I read about North Korea had loads of evidence. And, it’s fairly accepted across the U.S. in many groups, that the main reason for getting back into Afghanistan WAS the poppy fields…. and quite a bit of evidence also includes Briatin in that deal. Your choice. And, does anyone here actually think that if the USA actually wanted to STOP the drugs from coming into this Country…. they would never be successful at it? Are you seriously buying into that flavor of a discussion? The U.S. has never had to worry about being attacked since Pearl Harbor, due to the fact that we are the mightiest nation there is, and the fact that the US Navy controls the “world’s seaways” and whoever does that, really does control the planet.

    All I know – is this whole situation smells and smells real bad.
    Anyhone got buyer’s remorse yet… over the last election?

    • Bob Wire

      Quote;”All I know – is this whole situation smells and smells real bad.
      Anyhone got buyer’s remorse yet… over the last election?”

      Yea like we really need John MCCain and Shara Palin running something beside their mouth! ~ They can’t even do that well!

      • JeffH

        Bob Wire, seems we all(you and I included)run our mouths pretty good.
        I don’t see any evidence that you could do any better than anybody else. Maybe you should attempt a run for office so we all can openly critisize you.

        • Bob Wire

          Well Jeff, I’m not the one that made a nationally viewed statement that the “US Economy was fundamentally sound” or ran a presidential campaign with slogan’s like “Country First” after 3000 plus dead soldiers have been shipped home to wives and children now without a father or mother as they gave this country full measure while war profiteering ran ramped and the US dollar worth 20 cents OR when did “Drill babe Drill” ever mean anything you might use as a campaign slogan. Mindless drivel ! I can best both McCain & Palin any day if that’s the best they got to offer the American people.

          So as a ex infantry soldier, father, business owner, peace officer, property owner, tax payer, political organizer, I don’t need no stinking links to regurgitate someone Else’s words or ideas. I got my own, I worked for them and they change with constant intel and time, a good idea today can easily be a bad idea yesterday.

          This is about opinions JEFF , I’ve little interest in offer you “links” unless you call me on a specific item of concern, only then might I offer support if I deem it something worthy and germane.

          We are all free to speak, but it’s never been free. There is a cost.
          You catch me off target, jump in and take me to task, keep me honest.

          Needless to say, I can’t connect dots that don’t connect and that’s what this article is attempting to do. Connect things that doesn’t connect but only by pure association.

          If I was allowed such liberty, I could have you believing Billy Joe McGalister threw a WMD off the Tallahatchie Bridge.

          I’ve worked off the Louisiana and Texas coastline servicing these platforms. It’s some rough chop out there this time of year, 14 ft rollers very common, the sharks are so thick around these platforms it makes it hard to fish.

          Nobody but oil men were down there. And I assure you, they’d rather not.

  • Bob Right

    Kinda looks like the tin foil hat folks are in session. Does ANYONE, ANYWHERE have any PROOF of anyone, green or otherwise doing anything. The moombats are rattling the brains of a lot of people here.

  • Bob Wire

    It was an accident, no one planed it. It comes with the process of drilling and extraction of crude. It’s happened before and it will happen again before we cease to attempt the process.

    Obama didn’t do it, Green Peace don’t do it, the Devil didn’t do it.

    BP did it while engaged in Venture Capitalism.

    It’s really that simple,regardless how complicated we wish to make it.

    We love the high stakes drama though, and enjoy making political hay of it all.

    Cause and effect, people have been known to do such crazy things and this puts us all on edge, not wishing to be fooled by them.

    Twisted is the web we weave, when we practice to deceive.

    In this case, a bad untimely accident and there are few “winners”

    We need the crude and we must continue to drill. And we will! and Fuel “needs” to cost more! That’s right! It must cost more. For until it does we will be halfhearted in the search for options.

    This cost will change the way we live and work, the way we construct cities.

    This cost will be reflective in everything, even to wage increases if we are lucky at all.

    In the meantime let us seen what BP will be required to “Pony up” and met their legal obligations. The courts have been most sympathetic to big oil in the past as oil producers continue to post record profits.

    The truth being ~ no one can actually pay the true cost of the damage done by this one spill. And that’s why, rules and reg’s need to be adhered to and followed, regardless of added expense.

    We know how to do this well, the rules that are in place quite simple are not being follow to boost record profits for share holders and top management.

    Need and Greed rules the day. They do so, because they “CAN”! This must change.

    I can do the same thing in my contracting, cut corners and raise profit margin. But I don’t ~ and I never get rewards or praise for doing so, just a clean record of no mishaps. However, in my business insurance rates increase for each mishaps. Two mishaps and I’m out of business, unable to afford the insurance to continue.

    Why should big business be immune to such factors?

    • JeffH

      Hi, I’m Rod Serling and I’d like to invite all of you to another episode of… “THE TWIGHLIGHT ZONE”.

      • Bob Wire

        Well denniso, we are experiencing the down-side results of 30 years of government pandering to special interest.This special interest money and back door lobbyist has all but destroyed a system of government that answers to it’s people. This entrenched power runs deep and is rotten to the core, opposing and attempting to derail any meaningful change at any level that might make big business truly responsible.

        The good news is, things are beginning to change, but change is hard fought and slow coming. If we let up for a minute, we lose ground and things will revert back to Status Quo. Any agent of change is under attack from the minions of ditto heads, wanting to discount and discredit your efforts. Much like Jeff as he attempts to crack wise, debase and diminish my posting. It’s these people and thousands like them you must stand up to. ~ Everyday! ~ This “just being silent” as they attack all sense of reason doesn’t work! They need resistance and encouragement to re frame from knee jerk behavior, painting with such wide brushes yet expecting detail images. For every embellished untruth you spend the time to reveal they’ve spoken three more. So don’t step too far out of your way to offer correction, that’s what they want you to do, get mired in details while they offer none.

        It gets to be quite fun really, I’ve enjoyed the last 16 months. I wish I had more time to invest but it’s time to focus my attention elsewhere for a while. It’s my hope that others will be inspired and pick up the banner, let us reclaim our government, it’s our duty as American’s. And if we don’t, who will? Be ready to go head to head with the best they can throw at you. They standing on shaky ground , poor footing and a awful track record they’d rather not discuss.

        Hammer the record !

      • Fed Up Gal in NM

        Well said, Rod….I mean JeffH! Too funnnnnnnnnnnny!

    • denniso

      Bob…excellent comment, and you know most if not all of these people
      hatching the sabotage theory have never been in business, so have no clue what really goes on.

      Turns out that BP has had a bad record on safety for some time and the minerals agency that is supposed to be regulating these companies has been lax for yrs…pity the families of the dead and injured workers.

      The parallel between this and the recent mining disaster that killed 29 is striking…bad history on safety in both. But, what the heck, it’s only a few dead workers and now a huge environmental and economic disaster, right?

    • Liberty

      Regardless of your party you seem to see the bottomline truth.

      Here’s is an abundance of praise for your business practices!!

  • http://google REB

    It confirms the fact that we should uncap our vast resouces inland rather than only consider offshore.We have no choice other than oil for years to come until other methods are established.

    • Bob Wire

      interesting notion REB,~ the thing is, off shore is “out of sight” and “out of mind” ~ UNTIL, something like this happens. But the truth is ~ this “activity” of extracting natural gas and crude goes on 24/7, 365 days a year, where you seen, hear or witness it or not. There always lots of traffic and collateral effects to address wherever it takes place. To millions of American’s it’s a way of life.

      Any mishap, land or sea is hard to ignore.

      The frozen tundra of the north has it’s own set of difficulty factors to negotiate, ice roads, 50 below zero temps that makes trying to do anything a major endeavor. Blood and fuel freezes

      Prudence is the watch word. We can do anything we have the “will” and “determination” to do ~ but someone need to be in charge and stand accountable for the rewards and liabilities.

      What we have going on in America today is “privatize profits” and public socialized “liabilities” This is not venture capitalism but some distorted vision of capitalism.

      Big Business is not held to the same standard as the rest of us, which ~ we all might understand and accept, but only to a point.

      And who decides where that “point” is?

      It’s Joe Q Public that builds the infrastructure in “hopes” of enjoying the commerce, Since there is more John Q Public then Mr Peebody, Or Mr. Potter”s, it stands to reason the “public” should bears the greatest expense for infrastructure, paid in the form of Taxes, user fees, licensing fees, etc.

      But ! big But here, ~ I personally feel Big Business( and their minions of foot soldiers) have “abused” their status and position, as I find disparity great and too wide spread across the nation. From the sandy beaches on southern tip of Texas to God’s country and rich forest of Minnesota.

      This “downward spiral” all started with the great noble words, “Let’s get the Federal Government off the peoples back” No one bothered to ask ” Which People” we all assumed the message was intended for “Us” I’m people!

      But what “people” he really meant, was “BIG Business People”

      There was a scaling back of the Fed for a while, ~ but any vacuum, void or slack was quickly filled by city , county and state government buzzards to make up for budget short falls. The “people” ended up getting less and paying more and big business got the nod to rape, pillage and plunder , while government and the courts would turn their head.

      Okay ! 30 years later, here we are, wondering what happen to America.

      Some of you younger people have grown up in the middle of this process and know no different. You have little to judge today with yesterday, no point of reference to what America once was. I do understand this and attempt to reach out to you today.

      America is not a dream but a nation with a belief in personal freedoms, basic human right and that all men are “born” equal. This is just a belief, it will only exist if feed well.

      This nation was forged in blood and iron will of the “people”. It’s time to speak up and not be bashful. But in doing so ~ know and understand your roots and keep the vision of America alive.

      Our enemies walk among us, our enemies are US.

  • http://www.ecoenergygroupusa.com Steve Jones

    I’ve been thinking about the surrendipitous timing of the horrendous fossil fuel “accidents” that have occured in the past 30-60 days not only in the US but also throughout the world. Here is a letter I received recently from a touter of green stocks and investment. A once moribund cap and trade bill is alive and kicking and likely to be passed. Is it all just a coincidence? I really think not. Too many people are going to make billions even trillions on the green energy play and that money will be sucked out of all of our pockets very quickly. Read this and judge for yourself. I’m well aware that BP says it was a great accident, but really? The debate needs to continue. Let’s not sit back and accept the “official” story.

    Read on– See why “Cap and Trade” Moguls are jumping with glee.

    There are more reasons than ever to be bullish on clean energy.
    For starters, $90 billion was invested in the sector last year.
    But a new Bloomberg report projects that will rise to $150 billion per year by 2020, implying nearly a trillion dollars will be invested in the sector in less than a decade.
    That same report said that “renewable energy will constitute 22 percent of the world’s installed power generation capacity by 2020, up from 13 percent today, and will then grow to account for 31 per cent of the energy mix by 2030.”
    So in the next 20 years, the world’s use of clean energy will grow 138%.
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    Folks, this is your moment. On a historical scale, few people have witnessed the kind of global change you’re about to.
    This is our switch from horses to cars; from candles to light bulbs.
    And the massive wealth being created by this paradigm shift is on par with those previous examples.
    That’s the bird’s-eye view of green bullishness — but I’d also like to point out some recent events that are adding to the fever…
    Coal Deaths and Coal’s Death
    In the past month, the uglier side of the fossil fuel business has come to the fore — in a big way.
    It started at the Upper Big Branch coal mine in West Virginia, where 29 miners were killed in April during the worst mining accident in U.S. history.
    Given the busy news cycle of the past few weeks — banking reform, volcanoes, immigration, supreme court nominees and, oh yeah, a massive oil leak — you likely missed the 30 deaths at Russia’s Raspadskaya mine.
    And the 25 deaths at China’s Wangjialing mine.
    All told, 79 coal miners have lost their lives in a month.
    Coal was already in the political doghouse because of indirect damage associated with mercury, sulfur, and carbon emissions. Being the direct cause of death for nearly 80 people certainly won’t help its case.
    Since 2000, construction of 123 proposed coal plants has been canceled, with another 51 facing court battles. Currently, only 25 still have a chance of being built.
    Hawaii has already banned new coal plants. So has Los Angeles. Ontario and British Columbia will phase them out in the next few years. And the governors of California, Florida, Michigan, Washington, and Wisconsin all oppose new coal plants.
    And don’t forget that pesky Supreme Court decision that says the Environmental Protection Agency is both “authorized and obligated” to regulate carbon dioxide emissions.
    The world “obligated” means it isn’t an option. How they’ll do it is still being worked out, but it’s coming.
    But what does all this opposition mean for the coal industry financially?
    Citigroup (NYSE: C) has downgraded the entire coal sector and recommended that is clients invest in other energy sectors.
    Merrill Lynch has done the same.
    Morgan Stanley (NYSE: MS), JPMorgan Chase (NYSE: JPM), and Bank of America (NYSE: BAC) have all announced that they’ll fund new coal plants only if they prove future economic viability based on coming federal restrictions.
    Of course, increased bearishness for coal means increased bullishness for clean energy.
    Oil Leaks and Cleantech Peaks
    As you read this, oil continues to leak from the exploded Deepwater Horizon rig at a rate of 210,000 gallons per day.
    Oily birds and fish aside, this event is having major financial implications in the energy world.
    Let’s chew on the figures being tossed around…
    Costs for stopping the leak and cleaning up the spill have been estimated at $7 billion. The cost to Louisiana’s fishing industry alone will be $2.5 billion. Florida tourism will take a $3 billion hit.
    The loss of the Deepwater Horizon rig represents a $1 billion loss to its owner, Transocean (NYSE: RIG).
    BP (NYSE: BP) will also be forced to pay billions in compensation to the families of the 11 deceased rig workers. (They paid $2 billion when 15 workers died in a Texas refinery explosion in 2005.)
    And, since the explosion, BP’s stock is down 15%, which equates to a $30 billion loss in market value.
    Now let’s digest them…
    By the time this event leaves the headlines, we could be looking at a $45.5 billion tab.
    In our bottom-line-based world, that kind of loss will do more to change energy attitudes and opinions than any oil-soaked beach ever could.
    The Interior Department has already halted new offshore drilling permits and delayed public meetings on expanding offshore drilling.
    Republican Governor Charlie Christ may call a special legislative session to ban offshore drilling in Florida’s waters entirely. And BP’s executive VP Robert Dudley may have said it best when he uttered, “The political will for expanding offshore drilling may have been lost.”
    We’ll get to see that debate unfold live, as the Senate version of the Energy Bill is due to be released tomorrow.
    In the meantime, keep that $45.5 billion projected oil spill clean-up cost in mind. I suspect we’ll soon be hearing debate — political, business, and popular — about how that money could’ve been better spent to solve real energy problems.
    A look at the chart below shows the market is already having this debate.
    In this snapshot example, you can see how BP, Transocean, and other shallow-water drillers Hercules Offshore (NASDAQ: HERO) and Seahawk Drilling (NASDAQ: HAWK) are trading sharply lower compared to solar company Renesola (NYSE: SOL) and clean infrastructure specialist PowerSecure International (NASDAQ: POWR) since the spill:

  • 1340Glide

    First off B P Does not import a single drop of Middle East crude. The well did not belong to B P, they leased it. Unlike Exon B P is agressivle going after the clean upo of this disaster. There should have been two remotely controled valves deep in the sea where the pipe goes into the ocean floor, & they need to be tested weekly to be sure they do work. One the deepest connected by a cable & manuelly or hydrolicly, or electrically, & one radio controled. second they should have placed containment barriers around the platform that put a mile circle around it shortly after the fire started. third “We the people” have to demand that the automobile manufactures build hydrogen powered engines. We can’t depend on Washington where most elected servants are swimming in the cash bribes these big oil companies give to get these crooks elected. Just like the Tea Party is shaking up Washington we need to unite & form an anti big oil party or orginization to get the infrastructure built around the country to extract the hydrogen from the atmosphere or from H2O. We can do this! After all we are to blame for this spill as anybody else involved.

  • http://victorbarney@embarqmail.com Victor L Barney

    Interesting! Too little too late! We have a Marxist(anti-messiah, according to Karl Marx himself!) President, House, Senate, and Judiciary and have no part of federal government representing “we the people!” Somebody somewhere PLEASE name JUST ONE(1) country taken over by Marxists that have kicked them out? Just one? America, this IS the actual ISRAEL(line of Joseph, not Judah, given grace, not race as Joseph was)! We were forbidden from putting a foreigner(non-Israelite) over us and we have done just that(Deuteronomy 17:15)! Whether born in America or Kenya it absolutely is forbidden in Scripture! Watch Glenn Beck, he is getting real close to the absolute truth! How many of you know that Germany ACTUALLY is another “lost” tribe of Israel? If anyone wants the “MOST IMPORTANT TRUTH” OF ALL, VISIT: INFO@ICYAHWEH.ORG; OR MAIL: P.O. BOX 208, POCAHONTAS, AR 72455.
    YOUR FUTURE WILL DEPEND ON IT! WATCH!

  • Bob Wire

    hmm? well this should offer you interest then

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    April 2008

    Scope Note

    The purpose of this study is to provide insight into the breadth and depth of mortgage fraud crimes perpetrated against the United States and its citizens. This report updates the 2006 Mortgage Fraud Report and addresses current mortgage fraud projections, issues, and “hot spots.” The objective of this study is to provide FBI program managers with relative data to justify mortgage fraud resources and for investigators to identify mortgage fraud activity. The report was requested by the Financial Crimes Section, Criminal Investigative Division (CID), and prepared by the Financial Crimes Intelligence Unit, Directorate of Intelligence. Information for the study was gathered from the FBI, other law enforcement agencies, the mortgage industry, and open source reporting.

    Key Findings

    * Mortgage fraud continues to be an escalating problem in the United States. Although no central repository collects all mortgage fraud complaints, Suspicious Activity Reports (SARs) from financial institutions indicated an increase in mortgage fraud reporting. SARs increased 31-percent to 46,717 during Fiscal Year (FY) 2007. The total dollar loss attributed to mortgage fraud is unknown. However, 7 percent of SARs filed during FY 2007 indicated a specific dollar loss, which totaled more than $813 million.

    ~~ That’s just a small piece.

    The FBI was hot on their trail before 9-11 occurred and the House of Cards was about to Fall In ~ with “some” people having money, hanging in the balance and paper trails needing to be covered up for it had been going on for sometime. The scam had got to become “Common Practice” and enjoyed by all at various levels of play.

    But it was clear, the hammer was about to fall for a few people “in the know”

    And on a side note; Bennie Madoff knew the “gig” was up and his ticket was about to be punched a long time before it happened. ~ That’s why he didn’t fight it but just laid down and accepted it. ~ The hard deal and extent of damages to him and “friends” already determined and agreed on ~ damage control already in place.

    9-11 slowed the process and allowed the big fish and bag man to make an exit.

    Now ~ the question is, did they instigate 9-11? ~ This is where we reach just another “Grass Noll”

    We only “think” we know the plans was hatched by Osama Bien Ladin (or whatever his name is) anyway ~ the powers that be, assigned him ( this one man), a man that has since disappeared from the face of the earth blame and responsibility for planing 9-11.

    It will take 75 years for this truth to ever be known, and then maybe not even then.

    This got Us into Afghanistan and since it worked so well, why not make it a field day and settle a few grudges, make a little money, drop in Iraq and pay Saddam and his boys a little visit.

    They will throw roses at our feet as liberators and just think about all that oil! ( wring of hands ) The military defense contractors can use the work. it’ll create jobs! We need an energy policy anyway, we need some direction and focus for administration purposes for 43 didn’t really have any plans but to just be “President” much like he did as “I’m a unite’er not a divider” Governor for the wealthy state of Texas. (this was just too good to be TRUE!

    How far off am I? Funny stuff!

  • m.k.piper

    Response to Bob Wire Why would Cheney wait for the last min. to get out documents he didn’t want to be seen with? Sounds like California dreaming to me. You are just another political basher as far as I can see and will let left wing extremists dominate your thoughts. Did you hear the Russian intelligence report that the North Koreans blew up the BP gulf of Mexico rig with 2 torpedos from a North Korean sub out of Havana?Check out whatdoesitmean.com and see if you can prove me wrong.

    • Marc

      Did you check out some of the other articles at that site? How reliable do you think it is? What does this article “prove” ?
      Here is the full link to it:

      http://whatdoesitmean.com/index1367.htm

      • Bob Wire

        Well Marc, It was the FBI Home Page ~ I’ll see if I can get the link without dropping this post . ~ and good Point MK PiPER, why did Chaney wait until the last minute? I agree with your thought process and I am playing the Devils Advocate. But there no need of attempting to label me , Okay? while it’s true I have not use for Chaney, I also have no use and a low tolerance for way-out off the wall BS. Chaney had opportunity, motive, will, desire and the means to do exactly what I suggest he did. Think about it for just a minute.

        and even so, Chaney is just a man. Like all men , unsure, uncertain but unlike some men, very, very un-trusting. Read his bio. , study the man. ~ He didn’t know what to do with this delicate material, if it ever got into the wrong hands it would destroy him. If he destroyed it, he had no leverage, no immunity and no insurance. Where do we keep such material? Think big here! People are looking for such material! You have enemies, enemies with powerful friends capable of anything and very few loyal friends, you been buying peoples loyalty or extorting for it for years in high stakes game.

        The White House is the safest place for such things and besides there much to be destroyed but at the very last minute. Timing is everything as the curtain closes and the security of the office and position falls off.

        http://www.google.com/search?q=FBI+looks+into+Wall+Street+frud+&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

        • Bob Wire

          and as far as any Proving , How can I do what in a few minutes what the FBI was unable to do in years. Do you really expect me too? Is that a responsibility I bear for bothering to bring it to your attention?

  • http://joe_heffner@hotmail.com Joe

    Figure all the effort the liberal dimorcrats put into electing an illegal alien to the presidency. Compared to that blowing up an oilrig is peanuts.

  • Gary

    I am signed up for emails from Seirre Club and had received an
    invitation to attend a meeting in Denver to make sure that
    drilling ends permanently the meeting was to take place April 12th
    in Lakewood, CO. I also got emails immediately before the
    “accident” saying that they never knew how bad this would be
    and were soliciting funds to clean up. Further into the solicitation,
    I noted that the money wouldn’t be used to clean up oil, but was
    to be used for layers to clean up BP. The pre-emptive emails where
    they know about each step of the disaster before it happened, hmmmmm?

  • Gary

    BTW. The Seirre club did want to make an impacting environmental
    statement to coincide with Earthday.
    Didn’t attend the meeting so still don’t know, but seems fishy (oily)?

  • laura

    so do we all need to get a better heat source. What did people use in days 1,000 years ago?? We need to observe our history. It seems that they used more brain cells and less destruction of habitat. For most of quick burning quick growing fuel, I’ve been hearing a good bit on bamboo, it grows almost anyplace it’s planted, as long as it’s picked it grows back, and swells to lengths in a few months, plus if we grew things to use and sell we’d have a business and a fuel, and not just for industry but to use for mass consumer use. Only people who are blind don’t see this, get the oil out of your eyes!

  • Norm

    Once again, a theory based on 0 facts, taken as truth. The whole idea is ridiculous. Only a “screwed up” individual could even conceive of such nonsense.
    It reminds me of the great 9/11 conspiracy, wherein the government blew up the trade center buildings.
    GET REAL!!

  • Lewis Munn

    It appears that part of the “shear” assembly was taken apart for some test, and never put back together correctly, and nobody tested the battery that powers it, so the assembly could not act and cut off the flow when a problem occurred.

    I cannot say if it was greenie sabotage, Arab sabotage, extremist sabotage, or just fumbling on the part of the company men, probably under pressure from foremen to meet the schedule, period. Haste does make waste!.

    But since the initial problem seems to have been found, better go apportion the hypothetical blames over again.

    I’d guess it was administrative pressure to hurry up that caused the info on the altered blowout preventer not to be checked and taken care of, and the failure to install a new battery, which boils down to human error under pressure. And someone needing to meet a schedule or lose their job! So needed double-checks were skipped, and the problem occurred.

    • Bob Wire

      Lewis I think you offer the most recent updated and reasonable assessment, However, the “pressure factor” doesn’t even begin to set well with me on any level. ~ To even work in such an environment, there is great pressure on the human mind and body and is taken into account by management. This is a “given”

      As a longshoreman, the 1st 78 hours on a bucking deck in the hardest, as the body and mind adjust to conditions and you develop your sea legs. As a soldier, standing down from 7 to 10 days of killing, we are not what you might call good company and isolated from others by “management”, watched and tended too for a spell. It was just common sense and not rocket surgery.

      This caliber of work is much the same “hard duty”, I can’t explain in a few words how hard. As you go home after work, eat good food, sleep in “your” bed and play with your woman and babies, worrying about bills, rose bushes,traffic cops or heavy traffic. The job at hand needs no added or external pressures other then what the “elements” demand. And if there is any pressure beyond the task at hand, something is bad wrong and management is failing in it’s job. This kind of work is administered to as if it were a “bomb” and explode.

      To every firmly brush one of these platforms with a 150 ton utility vessel attempting to tie off in pitch send out an alarm and is documented. Hit it hard enough and operatings in shut

    • Bob Wire

      Lewis I think you offer the most recent updated and reasonable assessment, However, the “pressure factor” doesn’t even begin to set well with me on any level. ~ To even work in such an environment, there is great pressure on the human mind and body and is taken into account by management. This is a “given” and the “Norm”

      As a longshoreman, the 1st 78 hours on a bucking deck in the hardest, as the body and mind adjust to conditions and you develop your sea legs ( and it hurts!). As a soldier, standing down from 7 to 10 days of killing, we are not what you might call good company and isolated from others by “management”, watched and tended too, as any sign of breaking become apparent It was just common sense and not rocket surgery. Hell, we dry our horses off after running them hard ” Penalty for Neglect” is posted on the stable wall.

      This caliber of work is much the same “hard duty”, I can’t explain in a few words how hard. As you go home after work, eat good food, sleep in “your” bed and play with your woman and babies, worrying about bills, rose bushes,traffic cops or someone cutting you off or stealing your parking space.. The job at hand needs no added or external pressures other then what the “elements” demand. And if there is any pressure beyond the task at hand, something is bad wrong and management is failing in it’s job. This kind of work is administered to as if it were a “bomb” and might explode.

      To even firmly brush one of these platforms with a 150 ton utility vessel attempting to tie off in storming pitch triggers an alarm and is documented. Hit it hard enough and rig operations are shut down until divers make an inspection, while everyone looks real mean at you. Very many firm docking and your back shrimping for a living. There again , this is prudence of management and it the sea that has the last word in all matters. These support vessels dock with the strike force of a Walmart shopping cart, 95 % of the time, it’s the sea that administers the pressure and not management as zero ground anyway.

      But Premeditated carelessness? sure ! I’ll buy that. Now we just need to find out who. Some 38,000 to 47,000 dollar a year laborer or management?

  • 45caliber

    I’m not into deep oil well drilling but I am on pressured equipment. There are a lot more than ONE safety measure to such things. Yet the media makes it seem as if there was only one thing that caused the explosion.

    Further, I can’t imagine any situation that would cause an explosion at the surface AND one capable of bursting the line at the bottom at the same time – unless it was rigged. It wouldn’t be hard from someone to place an explosive device that would slide down the oil pipe to the bottom and be triggered by some set signal.

    I can also believe that there might have been people on the platform who would be willing to sabotage it upon orders by some Green group. They might not have expected the deaths but they would obey such orders.

    Finally, I find it hard to believe that ALL safety measures would fail at the same time without human aid.

    So, yes, I believe there is a good likelyhood that this was not an accident and was designed to get Congress to pass a law banning all off-shore drilling – at least that.

  • Mary TX

    I used to work in the shipping industry. Rigs as well as ships are under a lot of scrutiny by the USCG, class societies, and other outside engineering firms. Rigs just don’t blow up. Workers have to live on the rigs and ships-they know the dangers and have no desire to blow themselves up-I have also sailed on ships and I am sorry you just don’t act stupid, when you know you can get killed. There is something way funny about all this and I wonder if the Unions have anything to do with it-I worry about them more than the green ones.

  • Roger

    Okay, so then, let’s review. The thesis of this article is, the environmentalists COULD be behind this. Not a shred of evidence or even a plausible scenario offered in theory. What a lazy, hopelessly biased piece of “journalism” this is. Seriously.

    And you even have some folks posting here saying, OF COURSE it’s the greens. Proof positive that so many people (on both the right and the left) are intellectually bereft, perfectly happy to believe “facts” of their own making because they wish they were true.

    Roger

  • Proud Confederate

    If, and I say if, this IS sabotage, it’s my opinion that it’s a military operation and not enviro-nutballs. Enviro-terrorists don’t have the equipment or training to carry out the type of op needed to take out a rig.

  • ben tellez

    better late than never, I also was suprise when the so call accident occured.I automaticly put 2&2 togather. It is ashame one would destroy so many lives just to bring about a change. they will pay in the long run. like in the movie( they have awaken a sleeping giant)I hope they are afraid because they should be. The last thing they will see is two shadows……

  • Doooooglas

    Yep. Sabotage. Those greenie weenies took their robotic submarine, went out there and rigged the well in mile deep waters.
    You people are idiots.

  • HFlashman

    If I didn’t think the writers of the article and the comments were serious, I’d be laughing at the hilarity of the propositio this was “sabotage”.

    In order to even begin to try and believe this, one has to accept that a well, hundreds of miles in the ocean, isolated, was approached by subversives who not only knew the outlay of the platform well enough to get around undetected…but also knew exactly what to do to cause a rupture which was uncappable.

    One also has to ignore BPs record for comlying with safety measures, BPs refusal to spend $500,000 to install a midline shutoff valve, BPs refusal to ever test the existing shutoff valve, and BPs record fines for safety non compliance on its offshore and on shore facilities.

    For anyone to even suggest that it could even be anything but a preventable accident with BPs operations being the source where all blame should be laid is ludicrous. Anyone who believes it was deliberate by the Green Movement has issues far and away beyond self medication.

  • WarriorH

    Mine accidents, oil rigs disasters, jihadists, communists, socialists, corruption, looks to me like it’s time for All True Americans to roll up their sleeves, tighten their belts, dig in and get ready to perform some hard work. It’s fourth and goal.

  • Jack

    Halliburton and BP are two most involved in occupation of Iraq. Both made and make billions stealing Iraq OIL………….

  • http://gmail i41

    Lib, another democrat, socialist brain deficent beleifs which have needed thought corrections for liberals. When you tax corportations and companies, buyers always pick up the tab. When paper chasers make more regs and hamper companies production, or have to hire lazy assed union workers, it is all passed on to the consumer. Business 101 facts, study real life, not far left socialist dreamland pablem, that is bottle feed in schools and colleges, taught by professors who never work or live in the real world.

  • Brandy40

    It’s about time someone had the courage to say the terrible “S” Word: SABOTOGE. This tragedy was no accident! BP and the other oil companies have so many safeguards and backup safeguards to prevent accidents and blowouts that the chances of something just blowing up are nearly impossible. If there was something wrong below the surface, it would have shown itself way in advance so they could have shut everything down. Some people don’t want us to think so, but it’s true. This was obviously well planned out by radical environmentalists who want to prevent oil drilling everywhere. It is no coincidence that this happened only weeks after Mr. Obama announced he would allow oil drilling offshore. His announcement merely signaled the radicals to get to work to prevent it.

  • Dooooontglas

    Well Doooooglas, no one said it had to have happened underwater. This is way too coincidental. ‘If’ it were a green whacko, they would have taken explosives onboard and done the job on the rig, not deep in the water. It probably wouldn’t have taken much dynamite or C4, in the right place, to cause this disaster.

    It is also possible that this was just an accident, but, WOW, the timing could not have been more perfect for the libtard whacko’s. Talk about providence.

    The only idiot here is the one who discounts a real possibility, Doooooglas.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    It is hard for me to trust these “greenies”, who do things like pounding stakes into trees to save a nesting bird, and have the chain come off the chain saw and cut some guys arm off. Thats ok with them, just dont make the bird move. Or they burn up a fleet of SUV’s, releasing all kinds of toxins into the air, which are 10 times more than these vehicles could produce in their lifetime, so that these vehicle cant release toxins into the air. What kind of pretzel logic is that. They have burnt down people homes who built where they didnt want them to build, and have shown they have no respect for people or for nature, just for their agenda to make themselves feel like they are “saving the world”. They do much more damage than the rest of us in reality. I would not put it past them to have done this, as a means to promote their agenda, and if this is found out and the liberal media attempts to hide it, they need to be stripped bare, broken down and sold and not be allowed to operate by the people that operate them anymore.

  • Robin from Arcadia, IN

    I don’t think anything should be ruled out until an investigation is completed. It certainly is suspicious.
    What is really unbelievable is how our current administration seemed so unconcerned. Men were killed and wildlife and sealife will suffer the brunt of this disaster. That is reason enough to be concerned!

  • Andy Porter

    Lets see, it wasn’t built to blow up, so it must have been sabotage. By that “logic” the space shuttle “Challenger” must have been sabotaged as well. I mean, it wasn’t built to blow up, and it did, so, which whacky group was responsible for that?
    I cannot believe that a)anyone believes this dribble or that b)anyone (such as yourself) can be so irresponsible to write it.

  • chuck b

    ladybounty

    it is you, the environmental wackos that have caused most of these problems by forcing companies to go offshore by your constant protesting and your cohorts in congress. you better get your head out of your a*”s. you better talk to your muslim and chief about all the safe guards, why hasn’t he taken those steps. why has it taken so long for him to even recognize there is a problem. you like the rest of the greenies are clueless, thats the problem. the rig did have safeguards and as yet no one has an idea of what really happened so don’t start trying to spin this blame to a past president, look at the muslim in the white house and bow down.

  • Raggs

    You bet ya!!!

    The communist in chief has his hands all over this!

    The underwear bomber and the latest NY failed attempt has obama written all over it…

    It is so simple it’s stupid…

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    The fire started on top dummy. The computers that control the blowout to seal it are operated up top dummy. You voted for Obama didnt you dummy.

  • Mary

    People who believe this could be sabotage are not idiots. They just know that too many things are ‘coincidental.’
    Always wait for the other shoe to fall when liberals appear to do something that might be good for this country, like oil exploration.
    With a liberal, arrogant Congress and President wanting to control every aspect of our lives, I expect more sabotage and not just at oil drilling sites.

  • rick

    I have an even better one…George Bush rapelled down the elevator shafts of the WTC at midnight, dressed in a black SWAT team uniform listening to the Mission Impossible theme song through his mp3 and planted plasitc explosives. Or how ’bout this one…Air Force Stealth bombers flew into the 150 mph winds of Hurricane Katrina and blew up the levees holding back Lake Ponchartrain. Then there is always the diabolical Dick Cheney, head of the secret shadow government, conspiring to plunge the US into evil wars against innocent radical suicide bombers…

  • DaveH

    Yeah, DooDooGlas, and the Islamic Radical bombings are figments of our imaginations.
    I thought that you Liberals had open minds? If so, how could you possibly be calling people Idiots about possibilities of which you have no information?
    I wouldn’t put anything past people who would actively harass the lawful activities of others (whaling, etc.). And I wouldn’t put anything past people who brazenly steal the money of others (through Government) and think nothing of forcing their desires on others.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    As I understand it, to “pump” this oil out, a large amount of seawater is pumped down to push the oil out, and then it still has to be pumped out to get it out. So how is this oil pumping itself out now that we are not sucking it out?

  • http://gmail i41

    I see the socialists are finally expounding again, Off shore at least a million barrels oil seeps out in the gulf every year. The pressure of a flowing well is hard to contain, you don’t need to pump it, under groung pressure is pushing it up. There is oil seeps out in Wyoming that has been happening for years. It looks like the nut eaters and grass munchers in the socialist democrat party will have the USA shipping in all of its energy. The comment of poor saftey or no saftey measures, on oil industry or any industry is a bunch of crap, injuries cut into production and if any profits. If you want to see enviormental damage, see what happens when an area is deemed a wilderness area. No fire supression, no roads to harvest trees or veiw nature, Yellowstone, is a classic examole. Nobody fined or had pointed fingers at the dip sticks in Forest Dervice, Game, Fish & Parks Department, or any other alphabet soup government regulatory wonks that dream up regs in their offices. Bitching about GWB, and the harm he has done to the country, We are still hampered by Wilson, TR, FDR, Carter, and Clinton’s posterior wipe programs and “we are saving nature, wildlife, and great veiws”. The simple idea that if rhere is more laws, regs, and written guidelines, everything will go peachy. Well anytime people walk they may twist an ankle, break a leg, or fall down, I guess they should sue the rock for being there, mother nature for creating the divits or mounds? The socialist dems,the muslim President, and the retarded envior wings of the socialist party will have a tingly feelings,somewhere, since now more energy will be shipped from dictators to us. All the dream land renewable energy stunts, are decades away, if ever, will not happen to create enough energy. Look at Spain We cann’t put up power plants, or build dams, use coal, “Clinton made another park in Utah in the 90′s. which we could have sold large deposits of coal, to other countries”, Even though we have more coal than anywhere else in the world, or oil and gas right here in our borders, than all of middle east! What is the problem, braindead liberals, flip a switch democrats and over educated simple minded dum asses that crawl out of our schools and colleges. Don’t know how to create a damn thing or how food or energy is found and located. How much money is peed away having hearings, probes, fact findings, junkets, and trips that still will not find out or tell us a damn thing. Like having Naplitano, Salazaro, and Omoron fly out to look at spill. All them are lawyers and don’t know squat what is happening, just getting face time on TV, and being under foot for the workers. Next there will be smucks from Congress and their staffs will try for a little face time, and waste more money. There will be more dreamed up saftey and regs from paper chasers, see if I off base in the months or years to come.

  • American liberal

    If this site doesn’t prove the rightwing are nutcases nothing will…you rightys are crazy …

  • Matt

    true! But most Americans don’t care, they would rather sit in their homes and watch tv while America disintegrates.

  • Dooooontglas

    Yeah HFlashmaan, I’m sure you’d like to shut people down from thinking what could have happened by trying to make them seem crazy. But while I don’t know what really happened, the ability and reason to sabotage exists, and must be considered.

  • Sidewinder

    Well although I hesitate to jump on the sabotage bandwagon, its possible some green group had a guy working for BP on the inside, and who would know just what to do to sabotage the platform. That still seems a little far fetched to me, although not impossible.

    They probably rushed the cement seal job, or botched it somehow. Again, no real way to know before the facts are in, and even then, its doubtful the general public will be told everything.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    You take out the equation that they worked and got one of their own employed there, like the sleepers our muslim enemies send over here, and they wait for the opportune time to do their dirty deeds. Im not saying it happened, but I do believe an investigation should be done on all aboard this thing, and make sure this didnt happen. The thing is, all of us have seen the dirty deeds these enviro’s are capable of, and it wouldnt be above them to blow up something like this, make an environmental disaster, which this truly is, then sit back and say “see oil is bad” which totally supports their agenda. I do not feel that it is too far fetched to think this way about the enviro’s. They are like the unions, in the beginning they were a good thing, then as they got too much power and clout, they went rotten and now are a scourge on society.

  • raffer

    HFlashman, while I agree with most everything you say, for the record I must correct you. The platform was not hundreds of miles out. It was 40 miles off the coast of Venice, LA.

  • Fed Up Gal in NM

    Like the Greenies are innocent activists! Like they’ve never engaged in any radical activism to scare people into signing on to their agenda!

  • NANCYRUSSELL

    I NEVER BELIEVED AKA WEEKS AGO WHEN HE SUDDENLY CHANGED FROM “NO DRILLING” TO “DRILLING”. I THOUGHT THEN HE WOULD COME UP WITH SOME REASON WHY AMERICA COULD NOT DRILL SO THAT WHEN THIS EVENT HAPPENED IT TIED IN WITH HIS ANNOUNCING ALL DRILLING PLANS ARE OFF. THIS WAS A POLITICAL MOVE TO MAKE IT SEEM HE WAS GOING TO WEAN US OFF OF FOREIGN OIL WHEN HE NEVER HAD ANY INTENTION EVER OF DOING SO AND HIS USE OF THE CRAZY GREENIES MADE IT ALL POSSIBLE. WHENEVER HIS LIPS MOVE, HE’S LYING. HE ALWAYS PLANS FOR PLAUSIBLE DENIABILITY.

  • http://personalliberty PFFFF

    Don’t let BP get away with irresponsible actions and shifting the blame on innocent people. Demand an investigation; don’t turn this into a witch hunt.

  • Harold Carpenter

    I have come to the point that I do not put anything beyond the current administration. They have one thing on their agenda and what are a few lives if it achieves their goal. This is the first time in my life (of 67 years) that I do not trust our government. Again, I do not put anything past them to achieve their goals…….

  • Nick

    I find it interesting that when Obama is again pushing Cap & Trade within two week there is two mine disasters and an oil rig explosion. These industries are highly regulated and stress safety. We generally go years and years without hearing of if such disasters, now there are three in two weeks.
    I have always heard that these things happen in three’s but the timing is suspect. There at least should be an investigation, but wiht the Socialist in charge it woln’t happen.

  • OGrayBear

    Just curious..eleven people missing, but has anyone seen or read anything about the names of those listed as missing and what about their grieving families? During news coverage of the recent mining accident in WVA families were interviewed non-stop.

  • jack

    You mean that, The Greenies and that Musilum President, would stoop so low to do something like allow an Oil rig to blow up, to spew all that oil over the evironment???? Well, I’ll be darned..

  • American

    Barbara Humphrey, can you give me the date that you and all your left- wing, radical idiots will stop blaming George Bush for EVERYTHING? I’d like to mark it on my calendar and stop submitting myself to any media at all until then because I’m so tired of hearing you all whining and pointing the finger at someone else because your party can’t do the job.

  • Chaos Factor

    Jeff:.pay attention now…… Haliburton moved it’s headquarters to Dubai to avoid taxes after being given no bid contracts and making millions by double billing and killing our troops in showers( electrocution )

    transocean is located in the Cayman islands… No taxes

    BP is headquartered in Westminster England …

  • Sidewinder

    Whatever the cause, those poor folks in Louisanna will be covered in petroleum if they try to go to the beach this summer. And who’s gonna want to eat the seafood from there?
    Its such a disaster.

  • American Liberal

    It’s way to early to know what really happened on this platform…. It’s also nonsense to suggest it was sabatoge … We do know it’s possible this could be a huge disaster….as I understand it , this platform wasn’t a BP platform…the company rig was hired by BP and had no safety valves.. The valves are not required in America.. They should be… I also think it’s to early to ban all offshore drilling but I agree it should be suspended till all the facts are in…. This article was lacking in ” Facts” and was just accusations and a wish by the author that it was sabatoge…weak.. Just like Windbag Rush Limbaugh, and only a weak mind would assume it was ” greenies”…of course nutcases will jump on the sabatoge theory.. My guess is just a horrible accident.. But the shutoff valves are a must on the future…my opinion is without the safety valves the risk outweighs the benifits if offshore drilling..let’s see how BP steps up to the plate and excepts responsibility..

  • Sidewinder

    American, I had a similiar conversation with my brother a while back. He told me that GWB is no longer president, so theres no need to even be discussing his failures now.

    I don’t agree with that. Much of the GWB mismanagement has a lasting effect, and I don’t think we should be so quick to forget. Not to get off topic here, but the damage GW did to the constitution with the Patroit Act is unforgivable, and continues. In certain cases, the 4th Amendment has been shredded.

    The damage to our liberty occurs in increments. Government takes a little, we squirm, then adjust to it. Then they take a little more. Until our liberty is gone completely. If we give GWB a pass, and forget about it, the next step is for gov to take a little more.

    GWB did a lot of damage. We can certainly point our fingers at other presidents too, but right now, we’re talking about Bush.
    I say let them vent if they want to. No freedom loving American should be ok with the provisions in the Partoit Act. My trust level of the Bush Administration went lower than Zero.

  • American Liberal

    The leak started over a mile deep…. Sabatoge?… No…this article is nonsense..

  • laura

    A.L.-
    You know that’s the same way I feel about you socialist libby dems.Just a bunch of “NUTCASES”.
    You’ll accuse the right when it suits your propaganda lies.
    Your opinion is as worthless as you are!!

    GOD BLESS AMERICA

  • http://www.ecoenergygroupusa.com Steve Jones

    I’m one of those Greens that is passionate about my country decreasing its dependence on fossil fuels and imported Arab petroleum products. I also know there is a strong fringe element of fanatics overjoyed by this tragedy and intend to use it to push through their agenda. These fantics are well trained and schooled, technologically sophisticated, and quite capable of sabotage. They did not need a robotic submarine to cause this tragedy — all they needed was an understanding of the software systems operating the safety quipment on Transocean. It is possible they also infiltrated the operators, but they could also have planted a bot that allowed them to interfere with the safetly operations from offshore. The list of sabotage opportunities and methods is long. This needs investigation as this may be the largest incident of eco-terrorism in history and we need to be suspicious. There is an ancient principle of Roman law, “Cual Bono,” meaning who benefited, and the list is endless ranging from tose betting on the decline of specific stocks and bonds, to the increase in oil prices, to those hoping to make trillions (Yes, that’s right trillions!) off of cap and trade or new energy taxes. The list is great and all avenues have to be exhausted before anyone voicing suspicions can be called “idiots.” I strongly believe there was both motive and opportunity to commit a crime. I point no fingers, just ask it be investigated. I hope I am wrong and the spill is proven to be accidental.

  • Sidewinder

    American Liberal, I didn’t get the impression that there was any kind of “Wish” from the author that this was sabotage. I think he was just looking at all things and speculating on who might benefit from this. It was only suggested, that it may be sabotage. Said he didn’t know.

    I too lean towards it being a horrible accident. To me, human error especially in haste seems much more likely to me.

  • myrikal

    I have had an uneasy feeling about the oil spill since the beginning. The timing seemed way too coincidental, as soon as the way to new drilling appeared there is suddenly a major catastrophe that demonstrates how dangerous it is.

    I had this same feeling during the Primaries about certain candidates that made my skin crawl every time I heard them. That seems to have worked out to be pretty accurate, consdering the way things have played out over the past 18 months.

  • American Liberal

    Nancy… First.. Turn off your caps please….you must have not listened during the presidential campaign… President Obama said while campaigning that he was concidering offshore drilling…if you just listen to Rush Limbaugh or Watch Fox News you won’t hear that…. But it’s a fact…

  • http://email garyb

    You are so right NANCYRUSSEL about all the lies coming from our WH these days. Muslims abound the property. We must watch our backs from now on. This wonderful country OF OURS is changing drasticly and not for the good. It’s making me so sad to see all these disasters going on and NO ONE SEES HOW CORRUPT OUR GOVERNMENT HAS BECOME.This oil rig was not a natural event.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    You are right, as evidenced by the millions who watched some unknown guy buy millions of dollars of TV time, to say nothing more than change, change, change, and they voted for him. The power of the brain sucker in peoples living rooms to put ideas into their heads.

  • Sidewinder

    Not me Matt!
    I’d rather be on the computer…

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Considering. Like he was considering telling the truth, doesnt mean he really meant it.

  • Todd

    Could it be sabotage? Definitely. It was the first thing that occurred to me. The enviro-fascist pukes are certainly not beyond murder and maiming people. Ask a logger who’s suffered a serious injury or loss of limb after cutting into a spiked tree if you doubt that.

    Also, the coincidence is too great. Obama’s rabid, far-left base is in a rage over the drilling thing. As far as Obama goes, he’s probably breathing a sigh of relief and high-fiving his cronies over this “convenient” accident. Meanwhile, families mourn the loss of innocent loved ones, and all of us will pay through the nose at the gas pump for this.

    As far as dumping your BP stock, you might want to hold the phone on that one. After the Exxon Valdez spill in 1989, Exxon’s stock lost 6% of its value, but it had recovered in a month. The caveat here is that this isn’t 1989 and the climate for such things has changed greatly.

  • GoodLuckAll

    It’s all about money. Money trumps life in this nightmare world we’ve created. The good of a few trumps the good of the many. We obviously have not become any more wise with our years. Good luck to us all!

  • http://att.net Deborah

    I believe the oil rig was blown up. O’bama and other’s in his Administration are afraid of the coming election in November–they know the Democrat’s will loose control of congress. Game over!!! Their trying to collapse this economy before then–so they can institute Martial Law and prevent the election from taking place. This is what the Progressives have been trying to acheive for the last 90 years. Their not going to give up easily. You watch and see–they’ll be one crisis after another.

  • Mike

    After 9-11 I always thought that we would be in a livelong struggle with the Muslims on our own shores, all these thoughts of this being a Green Movement conspiracy, but not a mention of this being an assault by Muslim terrorists. I always worried that our subways or our seaports would be the next to blow, but what a great way to get attention and disrupt our nation than to blow an oil rig and pollute our waters (food supply implications) and divert our attention away from further oil production on or right off our own shores. What better way to gain attention in their fanatical world than to disrupt our own oil supply. I never even thought of the Green Peace Movement as this has major catastrophic environmental implications, which is what they are all about but to disrupt the US domestic oil supply that would be a Jihadists dream hit. I would love to hear your thoughts…someone mentioned earlier the coincidence of the two coal mine disasters but what about the coincidence of the Time Square Highlander bombing (potential anyway) and the Christmas incident in Detroit and the overall recent increase of US soil Jihadist activities. I would love to hear your thoughts…

  • WarriorH

    Good God! And now this information was just released by the CDC. Where does it end?

    CDC Release
    Information regarding Gonorrhea Lectem
    The Center for Disease Control has issued a warning about a new virulent strain of this old disease. The disease is called Gonorrhea Lectem. It’s pronounced “Gonna re-elect ‘em.”
    The disease is contracted through dangerous and high risk behavior involving putting your cranium up your rectum. Many victims contracted it in 2008…but now most people, after having been infected for the past 1-2 years, are starting to realize how destructive this sickness is.
    It’s sad because Gonorrhea Lectem is easily cured with a new drug just coming on the market called Votemout. You take the first dose in 2010 and the second dose in 2012 and simply don’t engage in such behavior again; otherwise, it could become permanent and eventually wipe out all life as we know it.
    Several states are already on top of this, like Virginia and New Jersey, and apparently now Massachusetts, with many more seeing the writing on the wall.

  • Dooooontglas

    But Barbara, your boy is in office now. Why hasn’t he changed what big bad boogie man President Bush did to allow the horrors you describe? Hmmm?

    And what? Buy too much house and lose it in the greed failure? Whose fault was that Barbara? Boo hoo, sniffle…

    Go clean a bird. That’s about all a libtard is good for anyway.

  • http://aol.com Pathfinder

    Regarding conspiracy and conspiracy theories etc; I would like to point out that there are 3 kinds of conspiracy.

    First: The totally ridiculous kind. For example, “I saw Elvis in a UFO!”

    Second: The kind with some supporting evidence; but still unproven. Thesse can range from proabably true to most likely not true. Some disputed conspiracies concern the Kennedy assination, the Oklahoma city bombing, and the world trade center collapse.

    Third: Those which have been proven. Examples: the existence of organised crime, the cult of the thugee, and FDR’s plans to enter WWII even while campaigning on a platform to keep the USA out of the war. (The history channel has a very interesting show on that last one.)

    Those who label things as “conspiracy theories” are hopeful that we will consider all discussion of conspiracy to be in that first category. While I would advise a healthy dose of skepticism where such things are concerned. I do hope that people will not automatically assume that a conspiracy hypothesis is of the first type and will be willing to examine any evidence, when and IF such evidence exists.
    At present there is only suspecion. The call for investigation is in hope of finding evidence. Such is not insanity, just normal caution. In much the same manner, ordinary fires are investigated to determine if the fire is accidental or the product of arson.
    Since the rightwing here has only voiced suspecion and does not claim to know (in the absence of evidence) that sabotage has occured; I think the claims of my fellow conservatives are quite rational.

  • Ladybounty

    Are you freakin nuts publishing THIS GARBAGE.
    I am a proud “Green” and I lost a dear relative on that oil rig when it exploded. The real reason THIS happened is because of people like you who have the audacity to blame the “Greens” instead of who is really to blame……BIG OIL….. greed….President BUSH who was and still is a BIG OIL man who basically de-regulated the industry so that this could happen. BP should NEVER have been allowed to drill without having FIRST and FOREMOST an immediate plan to stop something like this from happening.
    YOU PEOPLE are BLIND and STUPID and all the lives lost are on your souls. YOU all make me sick!!! How dare you idiots blame anyone but that that are truly to blame and STILL THEY call for more of this type of drilling. Get your heads out of your ***es and WAKE UP!!!

  • Chas

    I said, years ago, that what if something like this catastrophe were to happen, and I was ridiculed and laughed at. And now, sorry to say, it’s happened.

    There should have been stringent contingency plans put in place in the event of this likelihood ever happening. Why weren’t there?

  • JPW-

    One major fact that was somehow overlooked is this particular platform was not equipped with a blowout protection valve. The oil industry is is pretty much self regulated and they are not required to install these devices which run over a half of a million apiece.The oil industry is the expert on these issues so it is up to them if they are installed or not.

  • Bob Wire

    what ever John Mayer!

    It’s a defining moment, it’s true. ~ Much like 9 11 when the FBI was just in a position and ready to comedown on WALL Street Fraud. ~!

    Or the sinking of the Maine in Havana Harbor.

    In this case, it’s not the first incident of a Rig “just” blowing up and I dare say what be the last. ~ BP was pushing boundaries, they have a track record of violations and mishaps.

    I don’t believe this well even has a blow-off valve on it and it some 4 thousand feet deeper then it was permitted for.

    Why must you keep attempting to serve the devil? I guess it’s what they pay you for, right? Sling manure.

    Where can I apply for such a job? ~ This “working for a living” is kicking my ass and I’m always broke regardless.

    I’d need to change professions,

    Bob Wire

  • T.Paine

    I’m not given to ”conspiricy” but I’ve seen enough of the present regime to wonder WHY was BP exempted by the dept. of the Interior from having to do a ”environmental impact study” for the Gulf platform last year?
    And lastly, was it merely coincidence that Goldman Sachs bet against the Gulf Operation the day before the Rig blew up? (maybe they employ the Oracle…)

  • Outside Looking In

    Very interesting article!

    Considering what I know about offshore, which is plenty because I have worked offshore for over 25 years and do the job of taking care of the “huge valve” or the BOP’s I find it very hard to believe what happened,given the odd sequence of events leading to the disaster that killed 11 of my brother in grime.

    How on earth a liner could be ran, cemented, tested and then kick and “blow out”??? No brainer…nothing there much to keep iot from doing so. But add to that the questions, how could the BOP “fail” after doing a test. And how could the dead man switch not work? A lot of unanswered questions in my mind, and I am no “conspiracy theory” nutcase.

    HOW IT GOES:

    The cementing process as follows: There is a drilled hole, they run casing into the hole. The volume of the annulus of the hole with the casing in it is calculated. They pump calculated cement and follow that with drilling fluid,pushing a plug in front of the fluid to displace the cement inside of the casing. The cement then goes out the bottom and further displacement of cement is prevented by the plug that is pumped to the bottom of the “shoe”

    The fact that the casing was ran, supposedly tested and with the same BOP that failed hours later is indeed suspicious. Given the fact that the control system for the BOP is now 5000 feet below the waves, one cannot verify what was attempted to contain the blow out via actions of the BOP. Further still, the “dead-man” system failed. Just plain weird. Was the dead-man turned off? If so that would be very easy to do, same as tripping a breaker or two in your house. If it was powered off then the dead-man system would have still been required to be placed in an inoperative state or it would actuate at the time main power was turned off. The dead-man does in most all cases have an on/off switch.

    As well, BP may have what is called “E-system”. This is data recorded of the operations that took place on that fateful day. E-system is a link between the rig and shore base. It contains data input from any number of points that they wish to monitor. Like pit levels, pump pressures, weights and etc….I have never seen this type of system linked to a BOP control system, but it could have been possible. It is only a matter of connecting some modems with the proper electronics. With the E-system BP would have a good idea what happened prior to the blow out.

    BAD PRACTICE, I nor anyone I work with, and we all have discyussed this a lot, can figure why they did this job in the chronological order as follows.

    Run casing, cement, test, displace riser with water. PLAIN STUPID!

    WE find this a very VERY unusual because normally the riser is displaced at the very last point before they would unlatch and pull the BOP to surface. As they did the job, they would be required to displace the 5000 foot of riser…. twice. This takes time. At 500,000 dollars a day, which is what the rig day rate is,plus or minus, time matters. 20,000 dollrs an hour. And they are going to spend an additional 40 to 60,000 dollars to repeat an operation? WHY?

    Normally. Run casing, pump cement, test, pull out and run a packer pull out setting bridge plugs. NOW DISPLACE RISER and rig up to pull the BOP.

    What they did was Run casing, cement, test, displace riser…with pipe in the riser.

    They now have to trip out and back in run a mechanical packer, set cement bridge plugs, DISPLACE RISER…. AGAIN..rig up and pull BOP

    Understand? SEE THE DIFFERENCE?

    WHY???? That is the multi billion dollar question. Why deviate from tried and true? The poor rig hands will seldom stand up to directed orders from the company man. If so, they risk being fired. ASK THE BP REPS WHY and you will have your answer. Why did you do this, when normal is that?

    It just does not compute. Then again… BP is operated by limeys, so given that added fact … duhhhh.

    Bottom line
    11 dead, big oil spill. End of story?

    Very bottom line.
    Mom said, “be sure the truth will find you out”.

  • Danny Jeffrey

    Are you ready for Martial Law?

    One dirt ball in the administration uttered the now famous words, “Never let a good crisis go to waste.” If enough ACCIDENTS can be generated it will constitute a crisis. A crisis of a large enough variety should be adequate reason to declare martial law and then we can leave these crisis’ behind.

    Friends in the military? Try to let them know what could be just around the corner. Martial Law cannot happen without them.

  • Theophilus

    can’t believe that everyone seems to be missing the most point consequence that will result from this incident. Does Obama have the character and the courage to do the hard thing and resume offshore drilling? When the two space shuttle crashes occurred we picked up and moved on, when the OV-22 Osprey took 24 lives we fixed what was broken and continued to march, when San Francisco burned over a hundred years it didn’t deter us from regouping and moving on.
    We need energy independence, we need to keep fuel prices low enough to keep our econmy moving. We need a president with guts to say “let’s learn our lesson, fix what was broken, and continue with a project that the country desperately needs.” My money says that Obama will buckle under the pressure and, like Jimmy Carter, fail to show the leadership and courage that the office demands of him. He will allow petty politics, screaming fringe groups, (on both sides of the issue) and ideology to override the necessity of the moment.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    He is gone, and did a good job. Bill Clinton’s damage is still lasting, such as the banks collapse. But hey, he is gone too. Lets concentrate on the damage this guy in power is doing now. And the difference I will point out, is when Bush came in and cleaned up Clinton’s depression, he didnt stand on his soap box and point the finger and yell Clinton, Clinton, Clinton, and he didnt campaign on that either. He said what he was going to do, got elected, rolled up his sleeves and went to work, and got us back on track. Obama has done nothing but point the finger yelling Bush, Bush, Bush, and still a year and half later, pointing the finger yelling Bush, Bush, Bush. He has spent more in his first 8 months than the Bush admin did in 8 years, with nothing to show for it. He has offerered no solutions, only to weaken us to our enemies, free those who are trying to kill us, who emerge in other places still trying to kill us, while putting our soldiers on trial for killing those who threaten them. So stop blaming Bush, and look at what is going on in front of you. Each of this current admins mis-steps have nothing to do with Bush, and everything to do with in-experience, cowardice, and downright stupidity.

  • marvin

    Sidewinder no we are talking about the offshore rig that was on fire and why the blow out preventer won,t work but come think of it on the model number it said insp by gwb ,that it bush doin it case closed ,no you want to play the blame game did you ever stop and think that this may have not been a accident bush is HISTORY

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    I agree on that, this is a disaster, and it is going to take time to clean it up. But Im totally against what I know is going to happen, and that is the greenies rising up all over. There are more car accidents killing people and damaging property everywhere, so should we demonize GM and Chrysler? Accidents happen. Question is, was this really an accident. I would like to think so, but the greenies track record and their constant push to further their agenda at all costs, leaves this question in doubt, especially when these things are designed to not what happened what happened here. Something just seems rotten about the whole thing.

  • http://personalliberty PFFFF

    You have already identified it as “eco-terrorism” on what ground?? What insight do you have to label this terrorism?

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Good post, you make a lot of sense.

  • GoodLuckAll

    Bickering back and forth about this proves that there is no bipartisanship in the government anymore. It’s over and it has been over for awhile. Total division. The current administration does whatever it wants and doesn’t care about the consequenses becuase neither side listens to the other. They are striking while their iron’s hot. Then it’s the GOP’s turn. How long will this ping pong game go on?

  • http://Netscape Ron

    I don’t think there’s any question about it. It’s just too coincidental for me. The author is correct. These billion dollar babies just don’t blow up. Reminds me of TWA Flight 800. To this day,
    even thought the government won’t admit it, something else happened to that 747. They don’t just blow up in flight. Billion dollar offshore oil platforms don’t just blow up either. Maybe the asses that did this deed consulted Sol Alinsky and Bill Ayers. I’d put nothing past the Manchurian Candidate in the White House. And in addition, I’ve been around too many drilling rigs and oilfield service companies to even think they could screw something like this up. No way. Something’s very smelly in Denmark, friends!

  • AlliB

    The first thing I thought when I heard about the oil rig explosion was “Gee…right after Obama gives the ok for more offshore drilling and right before Earth Day…hmmmmmm.” There is definitely something fishy going on and apparently I’m not the only one who thinks so.

    Sometimes the simplest solution is usually the correct one. The people investigating this need to start checking into the backgrounds of every person on board that rig to see if one or more might have been ‘green’ terrorists.

  • http://www.ecoenergygroupusa.com Steve Jones

    Beck calls the Administration “Crime, Inc” (Beck’s appellation not mine). If Beck is correct, then anything is possible. The notive for a crime is very clear to anyone who understands cap and trade. If they, i.e. the powers who will benefit, can get this legislation through Congress they will have created a 10 TRILLION dollar rip-off of the American public. That is why all of this has to be investigated by the nation’s best detectives. Hope there are agents in the FBI, the whole panoply of federal, state and local investigative agencies, and the Justice Department who have the guts to pursue this wherever it may lead.

  • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

    The history of energy and our dependence of oil can be traced back to the conservative idle Ronald Reagan who tore the solar panels of the roof of the White House and proclaimed “Americans do not need to Conserve” then gutted all funding for alternative energy research which at the time America was the leader in that field. Then you have the Bush administration holding a secret meet with the country top energy CEO in there first term.You all can be sure when the oil is contained the cause of this disaster will be uncovered If it was not for the environmental movement there would be no clean water or air and that too is a fact

    PEACE

  • Tony

    Those are good!

  • TIME

    Rick,
    Your forgot the one about how Bat Man took 1/2 the worlds wealth in October 08, and hid it in a small box of bat poop.

    Let alone that BarryO has yet to figure it all out as he is just to smart, and after all Bat Man has a brid brain, so with that mass of gray wrinkles that BarryO has this could take some time to figure out!

    We should never jump to any conclusions, like calling the Police raciest, like BarryO had done now have many times?
    Or calling the people of New York – all just to stupidm thats for BarryO’s having US 1 fly low over New Your City for one of his fun filled games of chance. As the citizens stood in shock and cryed their eyes out yet again, all the while as BarryO’s was laughing his butt off thinking it was so funny!

    Hevens to Gotham City, the twisted twinkie’s will wither and die if they have to use their brains for TRUTH!

  • RL

    OR EVEN BETTER A BUNCH OF ARABS ARMED WITH A COUPLE OF BOX CUTTERS HIJACKED FOUR COMMERCIAL JETS WHILE THE AIR FORCE HELD TRAINING EXERCISES. THEN ONE OF THEM THREW HIS WALLET OUT THE WINDOW JUST BEFORE HIS PLANE HIT THE PENTAGON. AND THE THIRD TOWER AT THE WORLD TRADE CENTER COLASPED JUST SO THE TWO BIG ONE WOULDN’T GET “ALL” THE ATTENTION.
    MAN YOU HAVE SO GOT YOUR HEAD IN THE SAND.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Yeah, that and Haliburton funded all of them. The evil three. Gosh how the left hates these three. What did they complain about before these guys came along, and who will they chose next to place all their blame on? Hmmm. Makes me wonder.

  • pat

    just keep rolling down that river in Egypt-denial and ridicule don’t change the facts-it only changes YOU because as the facts become more obvious to more people-the truth does come out more and more and folks like you be careful when you go sailing that you don’t fall off the edge of our flat earth!

  • Chaos Factor

    The people that run this site must have fun laughing at how you rightys respond to the silly articles they dump on you….

  • Rightwingrealist

    That’s right. The majority of American’s are stupid and gullible and it is only the uneducated yahoos who live in the south and midwest that really have any brains. Everybody that wants to have hope for a future of no needless wars or hope that a government isn’t run by Haliburton and corporate interests are all a bunch of idiots. If they knew anything they would know that America is all about owning as many guns as possible so you can overthrow the government is you need to and not paying taxes. Oh, the good old days of the 1950s when women stayed at home and minorities knew their place. You knew exactly who your enemy was, the commies. They were a great enemy, right? They don’t make em like that anymore. What I wouldn’t give to go back to those days.

  • DaveH

    I’m not so sure, Beberoni, that “in the beginning they were a good thing”. I don’t consider it ever a good thing for people to force their desires on other people. Anything they do through Big Government is force.
    If they had the public behind them, they could easily use voluntary boycotts to bring any companies that were trashing the environment into line.

  • Sidewinder

    Mike, I know that muslim culture believes many falsehoods about the West, especially America. They think we are involved in a Christian Crusader war against Islam. They believe in all kinds of wild conspiracy theorys about us.

    To us it seems silly that they would believe in such things. But they are as misinformed about us, as we are of them.

    The wacko radical elements of muslim culture aside, I really don’t think there is much to fear from the muslim world. Fear of the muslim world was kinda like fear over Swine Flu. Trumped up and exaggerated. No, I’m certainly not muslim.

    President Bush said the terrorists would not change our way of life. They didn’t. All changes came from Washington.

    Mike, Bob Livingston has a good article entitled, Intelligence ties to the Underware Bomber. Once again we find a loose trail leading to the CIA and Mossad.
    http://www.personalliberty.com/freedom-concerns/intelligence-ties-to-the-underwear-bomber/
    You can Google this stuff too.

    The muslims are in no more of a real Jihad against us than we are in a Christian Crusader war against them. When some radical fringe element make some frightening statement against the West, it makes the headlines in the US. But those radicals do not speak for most muslims.

    Even DC sniper John Allen had served in the US military. So did Oklahoma bomber Tim McVeigh. Most radical elements of Islam are formed in Western countrys and not coming from the middle east. And in my mind, that opens the door to other possibilities.

    All I’m trying to say, is we have more to fear from Washington. They are the ones with the real power to change America.

  • Sue Marie

    Having family in the oil industry both engineers,one who designs the drills used for off shore drilling, it could be human error or sabotage. More investigation is needed. However, I do not trust the the emotional peddeling the main stream media and this admistration promotes. They want us to focus on one thing while this adminstration is doing some underhanded thing that will further harm the citizens. I never believed in conspiracies until this new group took over the White House. They will protect those who wish to do harm to our country and our way of life. Lets elevate the whole planet not destroy this wonderful country.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Her boy and his admin cant do anything, because just as they politicked for office, all they brought to the table was to point the finger at Bush and yell change, change, change. Unfortunately for all of us, that is all they know how to do is to place blame on others. And dummies actually voted for them.

  • Mike

    JPW, but I thought I read where it had been equipped with this valve but that it had malfuctioned. I may be mistaken but I thought they had early on gone down with one of those mini unmanned subs and tried to manually work on it but that they said something had obstructed it internally. Again, that was early on but haven’t heard anything since and of course I take much with what I read with a certain grain of salt.

  • JeffH

    JPW- those kinds of mistakes are never made.

    Apparently, a pressure surge occurred that could not be controlled. While the equipment includes all kinds of controls and alarms, and a huge 450 ton device called a blowout preventer, somehow it was still not possible to control the hydrocarbon flow. At such high pressures, some of the natural gas

    separated from the oil within the hydrocarbon stream and ignited causing the explosion.

    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/gulf-of-mexico-deepwater-horizon-oil-spill-2010-4#ixzz0n4k7sm3V

  • marvin

    JPW one question no bop then what is that they are trying to close with the sub, 5000ft down under water do you know

  • Laura Schlegel

    Anyone here ever heard of Halliburton…they don’t have a very humane, safe or green agenda. Neither did Massey. And neither do those who support deregulation that has erroded workers and consumer protections over the years. It’s too twisted to turn caring for each other and sustaining a healthy environment into a rabid left wing conspiracy.

  • Jerry W

    I have no doubt this was from sabotage. The greens have just too much on it. I think they kept bama out of it altogether, but the tides foundation, or acorn or some other such org did this.

  • DaveH

    In Typical Liberal fashion, you masquerade as something you are not (Right Wing). And you expect people to listen to anything you have to say?

  • JeffH

    A handfull in every crowd. Up early and off to work. What about the Northern crowd, with their expensive collection of guns, wives that won’t work, illegal aliens cleaning their homes and trimming their fine landscapes? Oh, I forgot, I meant liberals and no offense to the northern patriots. Some hunt for food and work and some just prefer to steal it all!

  • George E

    I get your sarcasm, but don’t think your insults add anything to the intelligent discussion of this topic.

  • JLC

    Rightwingrealist (I don’t really believe that, by the way) if you need a place to stay, I know where there is a padded cell for rent cheap.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    You got the gun part wrong pal. You own as many guns as you can to keep the government from becoming a left wing dictatorship, you know, the one that they deep down inside desire to be. Yeah, its kind of like that. Pacifist.

  • marvin

    Rightwingrealist you are wrong, i have lived all over this great country from north to south and east to west all are american all have the right to voice there opinion right or wrong with one or two exception like american liberal who is most likely here illegally,the people of the south and west are not as stuped as you think

  • Meteorlady

    I am so sick of profiling by the liberals. I LIVE IN THE SOUTH. I have a master degree and am not stupid. I don’t believe any of the crap you spew because you don’t support it with facts that I can personally verify.

  • libertytrain

    Meteor Lady – every time I go “up North” I still hear, while there, that Southerners are kind of a joke with the libs up there. Talk about racist – I have long ago come to the conclusion that Northern libs are truly the most uneducated racists and do not have any comprehension of what the South is, who her people are, not to mention some of the finest schools in the country are in the South.

  • Claire

    libertytrain– I know what you mean. I have a lot of relatives up North-some are die-hard liberals some are die-hard Republicans and almost all of them refer to southerners as rednecks. They even call me a southerner because of my “twang.” But they are teasing me, I hope.

  • Leftie

    The oil is under pressure down there and that causes it to surge out of the ground. Seawater is pumped in maintain the pressure and refill the gap left by pumping the oil out.

  • George E

    I’m pretty sure that wells that produce 5000 barrels a day, like this well, are generally under natural pressure so they flow without the need of a pump to suck the oil out of the ground. Wells like this one are rare in this country, because most of them here are fairly mature and have lost their natural pressure. They have to be re-pressured by injection of gas or water and pumped to get the oil out of the ground.

  • marvin

    Beberoni you ask i tell when you inject water it is called water flooding this is used after the natural gas pressure that will cause it to flow in the well has goin down to were it will not push the oil out salt water weight is around 12+lbs to gal oil at 4 to 5 lbs per gal so the oil is lighter there for will come to the top but my best guess is and i been their and done that there are multi wells on one platform and some may flow for years when you start injecting salt water you kill the gas pressure the well will stop flowing one more point salt water being heaver will go to bottom of the formation and push the oil to the top some formation are 2 ,3 foot thick to mabe say 30 ft thick some formation are vary porus and flow freely some are vary tite and have to be fracked with water and sand or nitrogen and sand the sand is for proping the formation open they most times put 500 to a 1000 gal of 15% hydrochloric acid to clean the well face up i can go on but i think you get the point

  • American

    Still suffering from shell-shock are you?

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    What, you smoke too much of that jungle weed in Nam? Did you enjoy when the democrats sent your butt there to die in the jungle? Did you like the way LBJ and his cohorts made millions of dollars, while you sat in Nam under fire and were told not to fire back. Then John Kerry comes and throws you and your brothers under the bus, and here you are, a liberal giving comfort to them? You are a disgrace to the American soldier pal. Shame on you. I surprised you didnt mention Bush/Cheney/Halliburton’s war for oil. Oh yeah, I forgot, they didnt even go near the oil over there. I guess that was just another left wing liberal lie also.

  • http://aol.com Pathfinder

    That’s strange. Are you trying to tell me that clean water and clean air did not even exist before the environmental movement started ? And, if that is so; then how did we survive until then ? BTW thanks for creating the air and water for us. How could we live without you?
    Can you say “megalomania”? I thought you could.

  • Claire

    SM Sgt Z retired Nam 68 — I give you credit. At least you served your country, you were not a deserter like a lot of the others. You simply did what soldiers do when they are called to war.
    But, I have to tell you I did not like LBJ and his co-horts. Sorry.

  • Dave

    I agree with you Goodluckall in part. BIpartisanship is dead. A big part of that problem though is because that’s what the voters beleive. Each side assumes the other is always lying and on the “eveil” side. If a Republican works at all with a Deomcrat they will be heckled by the far right and if they oppose everything, or even yell out hate speech on the floor of the senate they are rewarded with more funding. This all really kicked off when GWB was “elected” the first time and Karl Rove was introduced into politics. The truth is that both sides have some good ideas but people like the far right crazies that frequent this blog will never allow bipartisanship. The far left is also bad, don’t get me wrong, I just have an easier time backing people who are looking out for the good of the common man instead trickle down economics and religious fundamentalism. I guess I still have a way to go too.

  • DaveH

    GoodLuckAll,
    The game will go on until people realize that both major parties want Big Government and both want to force their own pet agendas down the throats of the citizens.
    The only way we are ever going to achieve reasonable peace is to greatly reduce the Government’s role in our everyday decisions. One size does not fit all and never will.
    Vote for Individual Freedom, Individual Responsibility, Limited Government, and Free Markets. Vote Libertarian:
    http://libertarianparty.org/platform

  • http://aol.com Pathfinder

    The game will continue so long as the American people bounce back and forth between these corrupt parties like a bunch of ping pong balls. STOP IT !! Vote Libertarian !!

  • American Liberal

    Sidewinder … I don’t have any doubt this authors intent was to ” wish” this was a greenie act of terrorism…. Look at his opener” The end justifies the means”… He put sabatoge out there with” ZERO proof…. None….and he knew some of the weak minded rightwing that hate everything our current president and will say and do anything to hurt his presidency and our country… These people search the news for anything bad that sheds a bad light on our president … These are radicals… I could just as easy say ” it was rightwingers that sabatoged that rig” just to discredit president Obama… But I think that’s crazy…. It was an accident, and the risk of this kind of drilling isn’t wort the benifits….if this oil platform had been a sucess their would never had been any price decrease or more oil on the market… In fact if these big oil companys had every drop of oil on the planet you’d never see the price of oil drop….., BP made a profit of 5.5 Billion dollars LAST YEAR… But didn’t want to spend the 250,000 dollars the safety valve would have cost….now look at what this disaster is gonna coat us… And you know they will pass the cost to US…

  • http://boblivingston anne

    the main sadness is the 11 men who died yet people can say terrible things. why did O suddenly decide to open off shore drilling. he danced around the country rather than a quick trip to LA. and so afraid to take a helicopter because of bad weather. Yet he still smokes.
    Nothing makes sense to me.

  • JeffH

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again and repeat for the other that have said it.
    Coal mine disaster, oil rig disaster, and of course “On April 30 Obama suspended plans to expand offshore oil drilling.” Now this is just way too coincidental to not give it a bit of thought.
    Obama has a “green” agenda which doesn’t include “fossil” fuels, and of course the “greed” eh I mean green movement is just giddy over the disasters. I’ll bet Al Gore will make a few hundred million of of this one.

    The question to ask is “what’s next”?

  • Right Wing Dave

    MUCH too convenient. Our ‘hope & change’ false god, (Oh, I mean “president”), mentions that he is suddenly in favor of off-shore oil-drilling. Immediately we have the worst oil-disaster in history. You haven’t BEGUN to see the results of this ongoing disaster.
    I’ve heard it said that it’s nearly inconceivable that some amateur greenie could blow up a drilling-site 2 miles deep. Although that may be partially true at best, (it blew up on top), some rogue greenie is not responsible, we have a muslim president with all the power and resources of the U.S. Government at his disposal.
    One of my favorite bumper stickers; “How’s your Hope & Change Working Out So Far?” (It’s on my car.)

  • Dave

    What world do you live in Beberoni? GWB was on vacation more in his first 9 months of office then most presidents do in a years. He came in and gave the top earners a tax cut which started our way toward a deficit. Then he read a children’s book while the 9/11 disaster was unfolding. Then he ruled by fear and took away all of our civil liberties. You people talk about Obama taking away our constitutional rights but GWB was the one actually doing that and you all didn’t say antyhing about it then. You think the government should have the right to spy on it’s own citizens without a warrant but heaven forbid you have to wait 2 weeks to get a gun. You only fear Obama because he’s a Democrat and because he’s black and has a funny sounding name. He’s NOT a Muslim either so stop saying it. And really, what would it matter if he was? Why is that a bad thing? If he was a Muslim obviously he’s not a fundamentalist who hates America. He’s the friggin President you idiots. Just because GWB was an Evangelistic christian that doesn’t make him a good leader or a good man. Anyone can be born again. Don’t go mistaking someone who you can relate with to someone who can run this country. Judging by your comments I’d rather our leader was someone you didn’t like.

  • laura

    Beberoni-I completely agree with all your points GWB was a great president and a good man! The liberals have done everything they could to destroy his reputation and that propaganda has bled over into the Republican Party.Very sad.The commy liberals said the same trash about Ronald Reagan. I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again, the Dems are liars to the core.

    DAVE-this is for you! GWB waited 2 minutes to finish a story to small children and DIDN’T freak out in front of them like you stupid libs would have done.GWB has some class unlike you slimy libs.

    So do the math dave,2 minutes, 10 DAYS, 10 DAYS!?!?!?

    GOD BLESS AMERICA

  • DaveH

    You’re right. BP has long been advertising about their Greeness. Let the Greens take the responsibility for their actions.

  • JeffH

    PFFFF, yes we all can demand an investigation but our government is incapable of providing an impartial investigation.

    The final results will be doctored with lies, distorted facts, and half truths by the lawyers and political powers that will control the end result. The people will never know the truth.

  • Dave

    What evidence do you all have for “Greenies” having a strong agenda and doing whatever they have to. What “record” do you keep referring to? Are you talking about Far Left Radicals from the 60s who did some stupid things in the name of the environment? What about the far right radicals that train for the end of times and plan to kill federal agents to start a civil war? I think there should definitely be a full investigation. The odds of this being sabotage are very low but if it was, whether that person was from the far left or the far right they shold be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. I think it’s ridiculous to assume it was sabotage though just because of some stupid political agenda. Also, I’mn glad at least some people noted that we should thinking about the families who have lost loved ones and the people that are still missing.

  • DaveH

    I haven’t trusted them for most of mine. Any group that exempts themselves from the rules of morality (thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not steal) is not to be trusted.

  • Larry J

    This is way too convenient for the progressives/environmentalists to pass up. I believe the Whitehouse is somehow duplicitous in this “You never want a serious crisis to go to waste. And what I mean by that
    is it’s an opportunity to do things that you think you could not do
    before.” Since Obama ET Al are ALWAYS looking for a way to lay blame on others for THEIR ineptitude, this is yet another example of why I hold them in HIGH suspicion. All the rest of you who don’t agree-take a moment and THINK HARD about what this administration is trying to do to this country! They are using the tactics of Cloward & Piven and Saul Alinsky–I think it is time for the conservatives to fire back the same barrage at them with both barrels; use their tactics against them.

  • phil

    it’s not about the environment for the greenies….its about money and power and overturning the capitalist system and degradation of American values. and hypocrisy….like the evniro-god Al Gore making 100 Million plus on green shit spouting his bull crap about our carbon fot print while buying a 9 million dollar home over looking the pacific that has 9 bathrooms, 5 fireplaces (wood burning) a pool and no solar panels. The green movement attacks the poor and it will really hurt them when gas goes to $5 or $7 or $10 a gallon and with the cap and screw bill everything will cost more. the cap and screw bill is estimated to generated 10 trillion bucks for the greenies …no motivation to lie there, huh?

  • http://aim.com Cynthia Williams

    The rig blew up,or a ship was sunk,i don’t know which.It amazes me that the humans are able to live through this(die hard with a vengeance)episode and have insurance to cover the risk in the event that these unlikely event a disasterous litigation ensues. Protection.Protection is always to protect themselves.There is an eventuality that perhaps “we” can learn from our “mistakes”(sometimes called greed)through tolerance of a dependable way to live using our very own selves as an source of energy(bodies in motion,exersise,work,labor,etc.)and we will see what we think is worth really aspiring to.The environment and all ceations need protection until we make a true discovery about our place within the world.We need more free help(washing the oil from their bodies) from volunteers and charities for the ducks and seals because of this.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Yeah, it was a war for oil. And Bush, Cheney and Haliburton took all the millions Saddam had stashed away and kept it for their retirement. Your wacked dude. So where is this oil they stole? For crying out loud man, I was all for taking enough of the oil to at least pay for the war, and we didnt touch any of it. You need to put down the crack pipe and get back to reality dude. There was no war for oil, there was no oil taken, unless Barack and his boys got a plan to do it that nobody knows about. Yeah, they could steal all the oil and blame it on Bush. Yeah, thats the ticket.

  • T.Paine

    and your proof is….?????

    Actually, it was the democratic party aided by the Acorn group that has stolen Iraqs oil…

    Sound nuts? No less than your opinion…

  • RL

    You all must realize that oil traders (those bandits that jack up the price of oil between the well and the refinery) want the price of oil to remain high. The best way to do this is to limit the supply. That’s what your government is doing in the mideast–starting and continuing a war (A WAR THAT WILL NEVER END) against an invisible enemy to limit the export of oil thereby limiting the supply.

    And note the last two “terrorists atacks” — the underware bomber and the time square bomber — and how the media has hyped these two incidents.
    WAKE UP AMERICA YOUR COUNTRY IS BEING STOLEN RIGHT BEFORE YOUR EYES.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    No, we laugh at the uneducated statements that you on the left make, all in trying to further your anti American agenda. How is that change working out for you? If it is, your an illegal alien, a person that wont work, or just a loser.

  • Jerry W

    Ya, and it’s the progressives that are doing the theft.

  • Pat R

    You people in NY get ready for another attack. I personally think that the attack in NY last weekend was just a warning; the next will be much worse. On May 14 a trial is scheduled in Harlem and much info is slated to be revealed about Obama, the CIA, and Columbia University. These people do not want this info revealed; so I look for a much larger event preceding or during that event.

    http://atlah.org/atlahworldwide/?p=6142

  • phil

    that lyin anti-american, anti-capitalist piece of crap is not my president he is a traitor. you can tell a lot from his appointees which are almot withour exception marxist/communist radicals. the destruction of america is well underway according to Saul Alinsky plan

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Well, lets look at fact, if your interested in them at all. Under Bush, more people were employed in the United States than ever before under any admin. The unemployement rate was at the lowest level its ever been at. The stock market was at the highest level its ever been at. In fact, even at Bush’s lowest level, it was higher than Clinton’s highest, and all I heard was how wonderful that philanderer was economically. Bush admin freed two countries and millions of people. What I hold against them is they did control spending, much to my dismay. But I strike where striking is do, and give credit where credit is do. The democratic congress all voted for this war, in fact the top democrats, including Bill and Hillary, were on TV calling for stopping Saddam before Bush was even a candidate for president. They said he had WMD’s and had to be stopped. I watched them and heard them say it, didnt you? Now here comes Obummer, spends more in 8 months than the Bush admin did in 8 years, with nothing to show for it. They took backwards steps in the war. Raised taxes, decided to use our tax dollars to perform abortions overseas, gave GM and Chrysler billions of dollars as a reward for not running their business’s correctly, and are screwing up everytime they do something, and still guys like you cannot read the writing on the wall, and resort to the democrat playbook of “lets just blame Bush”. I mean after all, that was the key that Obama ran on to get elected. You can lie to yourself if you want, but old Bush did a pretty good job, except for not controlling spending.

  • DaveH

    Dave,
    What George Bush did when he signed the tax bill was to take less of their money. He didn’t “give” them anything. Still the top 1% of the income earners in this country pay 40% of the income taxes. The bottom 50% of the income earners pay only 3% of the income taxes. This is fair in your greedy Liberal mind? Talk about taxation without representation!
    I agree with you on the Patriot Act, but how come your President isn’t working to rescind that atrocity? He just rammed his Healthcare Agenda down the throats of the citizens whether they liked it or not, so don’t tell me he doesn’t have the power to rescind the Patriot Act.
    You make light of the two week waiting period, but waiting two weeks to buy a gun can be a death sentence for some law-abiding citizens.
    Okay, I won’t say Obama is a Muslim. I will let him say it:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCAffMSWSzY&feature=related

  • Jesse

    I’m no fan of GWB, but the fact that he was reading a children’s book during the 9/11 attack is irrelevant. There isn’t much his ‘location’ could have done to prevent the attacks. Unless of course you subscribe to the crazy theory that he ‘knew’ in advance and was conveniently out of Washington? If you think that GWB knew about 9/11, then you will probably believe the oil rig/sabotage conspiracy theory too. BUT, if you think the oil slick in the Gulf is an act of sabotage do you think GWB is responsible for 9/11? Can you believe in one crazy conspiracy theory but deny the other one?

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    And if your a working man, with Obama and democrats in charge, this working for a living just got worse, because now they want you to pay for Joe Crack Dealers health insurance also, and pay higher premiums for yourself, so that the democrats insurance companies can make billions. Thats how it is.

  • JeffH

    Bob Wire…just an FYI on the last oil rig blowup in American waters…

    Huge blowouts (explosions, followed by fire, occurring when wells are being drilled), occurring in US waters, are uncommon. The last one was the Santa Barbara Union Oil Blowout in 1969 – a little over 40 years ago. The leak lasted 11 days, and the amount of the spill was estimated to be 200,000 gallons (5,000 barrels of oil), so was less than the amount of the current spill.

    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/gulf-of-mexico-deepwater-horizon-oil-spill-2010-4#ixzz0n4pPqXju

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    It was once deemed inconceivable that some dude wearing a towel on his head could bring our World Trade Centers to the ground, and that happened didnt it?

  • http://aol.com Pathfinder

    Right wing Dave, PLEASE !! He is not our president. He is the usurper-in-chief. Kenya show me his birth certificate (not a COLB)? Huh?? Kenya???

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Rather than being energy independant, the liberals would rather get in bed with the enviro’s, and get down on their knee’s and worship the wooly worm. Sick.

  • Ramon T Poet

    i41: Thank you, thank you, thank you! You said a mouthful — right on! This whole discussion exemplifies
    how we are controlled and divided by the Oligarchy (the banksters and their cohorts — oil, pharma, Ag and munitions/war industries). The people are confounded, confused, brain poisoned via the media and education. Halliburton (Dick Cheney’s co.) gets billions from the ‘WAR EFFORT’ and related activities and are off-shore to avoid income tax on those monies. Halliburton was from Texas and was a division of Brown and Rootes. During the Vietnam War they got all the war contracts under the Dems cuz they supported LBJ’s political campaigns. Oh my, what a coincidence — and the beat goes on! Congress persons get millions of dollars support (graft) annually from the tax lobbyists; therefore, who do they enable/work for? Duh! Woodrow, TR, Col. M. House and others set the stage for this Imperialistic takeover of the Economy, wealth and government control with the Federal Income Tax System and the Federal Reserve System. We need to enact the ‘Fair Tax Bill’ ASAP to strangle that power base and revive our economy and restore free enterprise. As long as these systems are in place we will continue on the path of destruction. Electing newbies will do nothing as they too will fall into the same trap. Go to: http://www.fairtax.org – study and share with all you know and contact daily.

  • Sidewinder

    I do agree with you that if the oil companies had every drop of oil in the world in their possession, we’d still never see the price of oil drop.
    I think it strange that after more than 100 years we are still relying on the internal combustion engine. With all the advancements of technology in other areas, I would have hoped by now there would have been something better than this.
    In the 1980′s my wife worked for Montsanto as a chemical reseacher. She developed a type of plastic that conducted electricity. It was for use as a windshield inner layer. The purpose was to have a windshield that defrosted itself like your back window, but without the wires running through it. It worked great. That technology is in a file, on an archive shelf somewhere, for whatever reason.
    I wonder what else is out there.

  • George E

    Dave,

    Also, these are people who are strongly ideologically driven, have a long record of activism to advance their objectives, and George Soro’s money to do whatever they want. It’s certainly possible, and we’d be fools not to be suspicious, but in the final analysis things like this usually only happen in Hollywood, not the real world. However, it does make a delicious conspiracy theory and will be a lot of fun to discuss until the facts prove what happened, one way or the other.

    In the meantime, we’ll certainly have to suffer the economic inconvenience of higher prices at the pump, in our homes, and for everything made from oil (plastics, medicines, building materials, paint, roofing materials, road toppings, etc, etc, etc.) because our politicians will shut down drilling in some of the most lucrative places to satisfy the public’s short term craving for environmental protection without the benefit of understanding how a decision like that will impact the other parts of their lives. This is a terrible “accident” and every reasonable effort should be made to prevent anything like it from happening in the future. However, the pain that will come to us from over reacting to this incident will surely cause more damage to human-kind than the ecological mess on Louisiana’s coastline. But making mistakes like this well disaster, and over reacting to it, is part of learning, I guess. In the end, the pendulum will swing back towards greater drilling, not less, but only after we’ve suffered the economic effects of this disaster sufficiently, and look at the economic effects realistically, to see the light.

    Ironically, our response to this disaster will just drive this country into financial insolvency all the quicker than the recently passed healthcare reform law does when added to the other social entitlement programs which we already can’t pay for. The car just speeded up prior to going over the cliff, so to speak. If everyone really understood that, I wonder if they’d be so ready to shut down drilling in this country? I really doubt it.

  • American Citizen

    Their minds are so open their brains fall out.

  • Independent

    Don’t you know that if you have an open mind, there is a distinct danger of your brain falling out?

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Im talking about pounding spikes in trees and making the loggers lose their arms and legs when the chains flew off. Im talking about them burning down SUV’ dealerships, all the vehicle included, releasing mass amounts of pollutants into the air, under the guise of getting rid of them so they dont pollute the air. Burning them up made 10 times more pollution than these vehicles could have amassed in 20 years of use. They burnt down apartments, condo’s and houses built where they determined they didnt think they should be built, after the owners legally bought land and built. Things like this and many many more things they have done, lead to a questionable track record for these guys. Or have you been living in a cave and not heard of any of this? Do you want to question me more, because I will gladly do some more research and come up with 10 more factual instances of crap like this that they have stooped to.

  • JeffH

    Dave, maybe you should read this

    Top 20* List of Illegal Actions
    by Animal and Eco-Terrorists
    1996-2006

    http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/news/animalresearch/top20incidents.pdf

    1. San Diego Arson
    In August 2003, the Earth Liberation Front (ELF) claimed responsibility for setting fire to
    a new housing development near San Diego – to protest sprawl and development.

    2. Bombing at Chiron Corporation
    In August 2003, two incendiary devices exploded at Chiron Corporation in Northern
    California. The explosions occurred in the early morning hours causing property damage,
    but no injuries to people. Chiron Corp. had been a target of escalating harassment and
    actions due to its alleged connection to Huntington Life Sciences (HLS). There is a
    $50,000 reward offered for information leading to the arrest of Daniel Andreas San Diego,
    who authorities believe was involved in setting these bombs as well as the bombing of
    Shaklee Corp, which was also targeted for its connection to HLS.

    4. Razor Blade Mailing
    In October 1999, an animal extremist group calling itself “the justice department”
    released a communiqué warning that over 80 packages containing razor blades had been
    mailed to American researchers studying non-human primates. Seven such envelopes
    were received by research facilities in various parts of the country.

    6. Vail Ski Resort Arson
    In October 1998, ELF claimed responsibility for an arson fire that caused massive
    destruction at Vail Ski Resort in October of 1998. The fire destroyed a restaurant, picnic
    facility, utility building and four ski lifts. An ELF communiqué said the fire was set to
    protest the proposed expansion of the resort and the declining habitat of lynx. Damage
    was assessed at $12 million.

    14. Break-in, Theft and Destruction at Brigham Young University
    In July 2004, the letters “ALF” were found spray-painted in seven locations at Brigham
    Young University’s agriculture center, near a recycling building to which firefighters had
    been called to extinguish a suspicious fire. This was the third incident that BYU
    attributed to ALF in a six week period during which a barn was broken into, animals and
    equipment stolen. Damaged was assessed at $30,000.

    15. Boise Cascade Arson
    In December 1999, ELF claimed responsibility for an arson fire that destroyed Boise
    Cascade’s regional headquarters in Monmouth, Oregon. A communiqué from the ELF
    stated: Early Christmas morning elves left coal in Boise Cascade’s stocking. Four buckets
    of diesel gas with kitchen timer delay destroyed their regional headquarters.” Damage
    was assessed at $1 million.

    17. University of Washington Arson
    In May 2001, a fire was set at the Center for Urban Horticulture at the University of
    Washington in Seattle. The arson was attributed to the ELF, which objected to the plant
    research being conducted. Damage was assessed at $5 million.

    18. Bombing at B&K Universal
    In February 2000, ALF claimed responsibility for placing four incendiary devices at the
    warehouse of B&K Universal, a supplier of products to the animal research community.
    Several trucks were damaged.

    21. HLS Employee Beaten
    In the UK, in February 2001, the managing director of HLS was brutally attacked by
    three baseball-bat wielding thugs in the garage of his own home. Brian Cass was
    hospitalized by the attack.

  • http://personallibertydigest Dwight

    That this was sabotage by the green movement was my first thought when I heard about the explosion. It would fit right into the agenda of this administration who has been quoted as wondering how we(the U.S.), can get our gas up to European prices. This would do it and end any hopes of ever drilling anywhere in or around this country.

  • Sidewinder

    Well I think what SMSgt Z retired Nam 68 is saying, is that our leaders are in bed with industry, and as a result they look out for that industry. Special interest….
    As far as Iraq goes, I wouldn’t say it was about “Stealing” oil as much as it was about staking a Western claim. Something that was not possible under Saddam.

    Read the book, “Confessions of an Economic Hitman” and you will see that these types of things have been going on for a long time.

    And WarriorH…You are too funny!
    Gonorrhea Lectem…LOL!

  • Guy

    You people need to keep open minds on who is responsible From what I have read there was a north Korean ship in the gulf at that time who says they didn’t have something to do with it.All so lets not forget about the Muslims That are trying to take over everything I live in a small town in north Fl.where one group owns around 7 of the most money making mine marts and they just built a big holiday inn express and have been trying to buy a small store that is in a great location even before its finished this is the type of stuff that scares me and would not put it past these people from taking out a oil rig.STOP THINKING SMALL LOOK AT THE WHOLE PICTURE TO MANY PEOPLE WANT TO HURT US

  • angel-wanna-be

    Mike, I agree, there is way too much coincidence in all of the “Mishaps” since Christmas. One after the another_ I’m a natural born skeptic, while I’m am optomist as well, I’d like to say, the oil rig explosion was a terrible accident or terrorist act, I don’t want to believe it was green sabotage here in America, but I just don’t know. Hopefully the investigative team they have working on the explosion case are independent investigators, (Not in the pockets of Washington), if they are out of Washington, they may simply waste time and wind up telling us, (the American People) another lie, just to bury it.

  • http://aol.com Pathfinder

    Just as a detective investigating a crime, we should consider both motive and opportunity. At present we do not know if this was an accident or a deliberate act. One good reason to hold an investigation would be to try to determine whether this was an accident or a deliberate act. If a deliberate act; then both the Greens and the Jihadis are likely suspects. Both have motive and opportunity. To some extent the Greens might do this despite the damage to the echosystem in order to discourage drilling. Jihadis would not be detered by this consideration at all. So while Greens would still be possible suspects, Jihadis would be even more suspect. And it is even possible that the two might work together.
    Please remember that, at present, this is all merely speculation. At present there is a terrible lack of evidence for any of these suspicions.

  • marvin

    Mike there are a lot of people all over the world and right here in this country that hate us and want to do us harm by hook or crook we have 20 million illegals here, that are federal goverment can not or will not find and deport for some reason unknown to me, power greed stupedity don,t care or they just want a better life, my favority blame bush

  • Chaos Factor

    Beberoni…. Why don’t you pointout one of these rightwing post you concider to be an educated post….. This should be funny!…. Oh, and don’t include any of your post…. On your best day you only reach the threshold of idiot….

  • DaveH

    For those who think Government regulations are the answer, read this:
    http://blog.al.com/live/2010/05/fire_boom_oil_spill_raines.html

    Why aren’t they using this plan?

  • Jesse

    Creating an oil slick the size of an average US state and the devastating effect it will have on Gulf coast wildlife is contrary to every thing a ‘Green’ person stands for. The ends DO NOT justify the means. The cost in terms of environmental damage is too large for this to be an act of green sabotage. (This goes way beyond the stupidity of spiking trees or the counter-productive lunacy of burning SUVs.)

    Do the North Koreans have a sub that could travel that far undetected? Would the Russians do it? (Why would they bother?) Is there a muslim government with the naval capability?

  • marvin

    i have worked with blow out preventers in the 60 70 80 90 on all deep well for differant drilling contractor we would run a test on it ever time we made a trip [pull the drill pipe for new bit] this is a vary simple pisce of equitment hyd operated has two sets of rams one is a pipe ram with 2 steel blades on each side with rubber seals to close around pipe the other is a blind ram this one will cut the pipe off and seal the well, in all my years i have never saw one fail not to say it is not possible but first the rig exploded that can happen then the blowout preventer won,t work, possible but unlikely my point is befor pointing fingers and placing blame get the facts,what looks to be an,t allways fact there are people out there thatwill do bad things never mind the damage it can do, a close mind is a liberal mind

  • http://www.ecoenergygroupusa.com Steve Jones

    Another spinmaster at work, right? I merely stated there are identified green fanatics quite capable and willing to sabotage and that possibility should be investigated. I pray this was merely an accident brought about by human error. However, the serendipitous nature of this spill has energized green fanatics throughout the world. If you don’t believe me, I can give you a list of blogs where the spill is being celebrated as the end of offshore oil drilling.

  • JeffH

    Reverse the question. What insight do YOU have that indicates it wasn’t?

  • American liberal

    Laura… Good post …

  • TIME

    Laura, Your meds are wearing off.
    Now run to get your Mothers little helpers.
    It will help to get you on your way throught
    your busy crazy day.

  • Sheldon

    What an incredibly rude way to talk to a vet! LBJ and his cohorts made millions of $$$??? Cheney and Haliburton made millions too you hypocrite. Are you proud of the way GWB send troops to Iraq without body armor? Are you proud that private citizens had to raise money to buy the equipment our men and women should have had? You spew hatred for LBJ yet say nothing about GWB sending Humvees to Iraq without armor plates? Your argument is incredibly partisan, totally hypocritical and intellectually vacant.

  • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

    I bet you never served in the Military or contributed a thin dime to any Veterans Cause or any caused the helped current members of the Military like the USO but you are ready to send people to war. A little factual history lesson Congress past the Gulf of Tomkin resolution after a fabricated attack much like the fabricated WMD in Iraq.Money was made in Nam and is still being made in Iraq by the Large Corporations who have more then tripled there lobbyist in DC. CORPORATE GREED is what is wrong with AMERICA.Now it’s my turn to attack you you are one of two things a shut in with no life that needs to remove your head from the sand OH sorry you head is not in the sand but in part of your body GUESS WERE or you work for a corporation and your only function to to post BRAVO SIERRA .You are a sad excuse for a human being. Unlike you I have A life I going sailing now.BE Blessed

  • George E

    Liberal,

    Thank you. I appreciate the compliment. I’ll remember it for later….

  • marvin

    AM LIB HAVE YOU EVER WORKED IN THE OIL FIELD or even work i have and have used blow out preventers in 20 years this vary simple device had never failed so befor inserting some part of yours or your boyfriend body part in your mouth at least try to learn something

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Crazy as a fox.

  • JeffH

    American liberal and those just like you provide all the proof I need, daily!

  • http://aol.com Pathfinder

    American Liberal, just how do you expect to prove something which is so obviously untrue ? I can assure you that the proposition, “the rightwing are nutcases” will never be proven because it is patently false. Thus, not only does this site not furnish the proof you desire. Nothing else will eigther.

  • TIME

    Oh Sidewinder, You jest, the American public will never know anything other than what they are told by the bent media who gets their storys straight off the special BarryO press, strange how he works that way.

    Thus BarryO’s crew will blame Al Bundy for this event, as his shoes were smelling so baddly that the rig just blew up on its own.

  • Pat R

    Sidewinder:

    You could very well be correct about an inside job! Money talks! If someone was paid a mega amount of $$$ to blow up that rig; I sure as hell hope he is one of the 11 missing and he is very “DEAD”

  • marvin

    Sidewinder back in my younger days i have worked on around a thousand oil and gas wells,some deep 15 to 20,000 ft some swallow ,and alot of them cemented by haliburton they take samples of the cement in cups from the time they start pumping to finish they use things like salt and calsum chloride and other thing to ether speed up curing or slow it down but the cups are set out for all to see and check for hardness i have never worked for them so i don,t have dog in the fight but the driller and tool pusher [over the drilling operation]say when to start work after a cement job so would i say haliburton is at fault possible yes likely no

  • TIME

    Oh Marvin, You funny guy you.

    We all know that Nano Wit or AL has never worked a single day in his life. He still lives at home with his Mommie in the basement.

  • Bob Wire

    Right on Marvin, something that cost a half a million dollars, is “Low Tech”, made of American Steel and weight 3000 pounds and has but one job to do ~~ don’t fail!

    BP didn’t install one ! saving the company a cool 3/4 million dollars is my guess!

    Who’s going down to inspect and verify? ~

    In a very twisted way, this could be a good thing. ~ Cheap oil suppresses funds to R&D for future energy needs. And it a Global issue really.

    There is better ways of producing “work” ~ Combustion is Caveman technology! I know that statement might come as a shock to many people. But if man is to ever reach the Stars, it won’t be riding something belching fire and smoke.

    But for now, we use it and are slaves to Big Oil and combustion and all that it details. We don’t have enough people looking hard enough for “options”.

    Someday, in the distant future, it will be a novelty much like a steam locomotive.

    It’s already being done, just not by us.

  • Ginny

    Great article! I’ve been scouring the articles about this, and no one is even talking about the cause of the explosion. Like, it’s all about the “cleanup”.

    I hope there are impartial investigators on top of this.

  • TIME

    Jesse,
    A Muslim government with a Naval capability, yes indeed thats called “Belly Dancing.” So – Yes they have that ability.

  • JeffH

    What’s next? Refinery disaster? Interior oil drilling disaster?

  • TIME

    Jeff,
    Thats the real question in deed!

    Plus lets look at the facts – $5.00 a gallon by the end of May 2010, I see it – any one else, and if (all Gulf production stops) a gallon of gas will be well over $10.00.

    How many of you can afford to pay $5.00 per gallon, keep in mind that gas cost will also carry over to what you pay for Food, Electric power, Water, and your Tax’s. And thats just a tip of the ice burg.

    Think about your home owners insurance cost hikes, the cost of all products no matter what they are.

    How many small business will just shut down as that will be the last nail in their coffins.

  • Doc Sarvis

    What in the world makes you think that environmentalists are happy (giddy in your lexicon) over this environmental disaster? It makes no sense.
    As for a “green” agenda for the Obama administration, I don’t see it beyond some minor steps. And any movement off of fossil fuels is patriotic; the more we depend on oil the more we are vulnerable to other countries. Domestic oil production does not and can not approach our current demand.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    George Fricking Soros, now there is a law abiding citizen. Not.

  • http://AMERICANVISION.ORG LEE

    ALL THE MORE REASON WE SHOULD BE GROWING HEMP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!HENRY FORD NOT ONLY BUILT A CAR OF HEMP,HE MADE ITS FUEL OUT OF HEMP !!!!,HE WAS SMARTER THAN ALL OF US. LEE

  • Dave.

    It isn’t just a matter of things made of oil; it’s the fact that everything you use and have is “trucked” wherever it goes!

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    I stand corrected, you are right.

  • JeffH

    DaveH, you have it right. The government had “assumed” BP had everything under control! Sounds so familiar. Don’t the liberals on this site always make assumptions?
    As for the link DaveH posted, here is just a little bit of it.

    “Mississippi Press, Shared – Birmingham, Shared – Huntsville, Top Stories »
    Despite plan, not a single fire boom on hand on Gulf Coast at time of oil spill
    By Ben Raines
    May 03, 2010, 12:09PM

    View full size(Elastec/American Marine Photo)An image provided by Carmi, Ill.-based Elastec/American Marine shows an oil burn being conducted in one of its patented Hydro-Fire Boom systems. The inflatable, fire-resistant, water-cooled boom was developed to contain surface oil and burn it offshore, helping prevent destruction of critical environmentally sensitive shoreline habitats, company officials said.
    If U.S. officials had followed up on a 1994 response plan for a major Gulf oil spill, it is possible that the spill could have been kept under control and far from land.

    The problem: The federal government did not have a single fire boom on hand.

  • American Citizen

    Or they use the other one, you know, the one they sit on.

  • Keith R

    I was wondering how long it would take for the question of of what happened would come up.Do you really believe the american people will know the truth?Look what is in the offices of government,they cant talk straight to anyone.To much politics,and to many lawyers and attorneys trying to tell you your to dumb to breath and eat.They talk in circles and just are as power hungry as some of movies they seem to watch. WAKE UP YOU YOU VOTED FOR IT

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Ok. Thank you for the explanation.

  • JeffH

    TIME, indeed. The next disaster will be along the California coast line or San Francisco Bay…Plenty of refineries along the coast and the Chevron refinery is located on the eastern shores of San Francisco Bay in Richmond.

    Someone else mentioned that DHS Napolitano sent a swat team out to the rig in the gulf. That raises some questions also? They certainly aren’t oil rig disaster investigators.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Once they found out they needed armor, they were all quickly fitted with it. Until this war, we never had to deal with IED’s going off like this. And if you want to point fingers, lets deal with how Clinton cut the military and its funding in half, which let to not having all we needed and it took awhile to build it up. But just as all libs these days, you hate Bush, because he came and did what he said he was going to do, and you hate the truth. You like liars like Billy, Hilly, and Obummer.

  • Claire

    Sheldon–Once a politician, always a politician. I really don’t believe anything they say. And I trust them just about as much as I can pick them up and throw them.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Since they are being ludicrus here, I think it was Al Gore that stole all the oil to fund his Green drive.

  • American liberal

    George…. I make no apologies for calling any of these rightwing posters crazy…. And if you aren’t making these crazy post then you aren’t included… And if you agree with these nutcase rightwing post then it does include you…are all rightwingers crazy?.. No.. But a reasonable person couldn’t read most of these post and not conclude that most of these rightwing people are very damaged… It’s up to you if you feel like you’re included in who I’m calling rightwing crazys…these aren’t normal rational thinking people…I don’t know how a person could read these accusations of our president and not conclude these people are retards…. I call it like I see it…

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    I thanked Lefty earlier for one of his posts, which I considered most educated. I give credit where credit is do. Now go back and formulate another attack, completely ignoring the truth. You seem good at that. I give you credit for being good at being an attack dog.

  • JLC

    Chaos, your diaper needs changing. It’s leaking all over the floor.

  • Boo T

    It makes me nauseous, physically ill, to think that a person or group of people would purposely do something so dispicable and vile. I can’t even think of a word to describe the feeling. That people would be so hell bent on proving a point that they go to such dangerous extremes, how uttlerly seflish and poor excuses for humans. Would they not think of the damage that would be done? Do they only care for their “cause” and will do anything to support it? What’s wrong with people?!

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    According to the liberal left political correctness, your not allowed to use that name anymore. Please refer to us as special needs in the future. Thank you. Just keeping up with the left wing non-offensive language thing.

  • George E

    Liberal,

    I’ve seen a lot of “crazy nut bags” all around, and they’re not all right-wingers. However, they are all Americans, and regardless of their political leaning and understanding of the facts, do basically want the best for this country. We just have different paths for getting there guided by our knowledge, experience, values and priorities, and sense of logic. Unfortunately, these paths don’t always lead to the best place, even though we each think they do. Regardless, everyone is convinced they are right and know which path to take. My wish is that we all avoid insulting each other and try to stick to logic and facts to make our points. Hopefully, this approach will enlighten us so that everyone who participates in these discussions will benefit.

    Call me crazy if it makes you feel better…………… I’m just what I am. Nothing more, and nothing less.

  • DaveH

    Typical Liberal debating style – Personal Attacks in Lieu of Facts. Sorry, Liberal, but those tactics only work on your fellow Liberals who never mentally advanced beyond the Eighth Grade.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    I think AL is a blogger. Gets 4 to 5 hits a day, mostly from his mom telling him to turn the music down.

  • Jesse

    It took me a minute… but I get it! Naval => navel => belly-button => belly dancing! You are very funny! lol.

  • Sheldon

    I don’t hate GWB, I voted for him 2x. It’s your hypocritical argument I’m voting against. I’m also against you slamming a veteran, no matter what his or her politics are. A veteran is a veteran and deserves our respect. You don’t have to agree with every thing every veteran says, but show some respect.

  • JeffH

    Greed and power…will clearly influence an “impartial” investigation.

  • JeffH

    phil, great points, all of them.

  • Jack Thomsen

    Israel participated in the death of a princess who would marry a Muslim… and they conducted several attacks on this country to enlist Islamophobia as a tool to win in Palestine.

    so what’s new?

  • JLC

    Occam’s Razor

  • American liberal

    Pff.. Yesterday I listened to an interview with A BP rep… He was already saying it wasn’t BPs platform abd they were oy responsible for damages of 75 million dollars…. It will be interesting to see how this plays out…..I’m not expert on oil cleanups but I’d think 75 million for this disaster is next to nothing at all

  • American liberal

    Typo… And they were not responsible…

  • George E

    You might be right about that.

  • Pat R

    I know that 4 men were from Mississippi (my State). I don’t recall the names; they were not local.
    My son-in-law works offshore and leaves back out today. He works for another company. I pray for his safety all the time. He runs a Crane, which is very dangerous. Please pray for these people who risk their lives daily, also!

  • JeffH

    The oil leak didn’t occur until after the initial blowout!
    Sabotage? Anything is possible!

    How did the blowout occur?

    We don’t yet know precisely what happened to cause the blowout–there will no doubt be months of investigations. The basic idea of what happened is that Transocean, under contract with BP, was attempting to drill a new well, not too far from existing wells in a deep water area of the Gulf of Mexico. The well was almost complete–in fact, the well seemed to be far enough along that the danger of blowout appeared to be very low. The casing had been cemented, and work was being done on getting a production pipe installed.

    Apparently, a pressure surge occurred that could not be controlled. While the equipment includes all kinds of controls and alarms, and a huge 450 ton device called a blowout preventer, somehow it was still not possible to control the hydrocarbon flow. At such high pressures, some of the natural gas separated from the oil within the hydrocarbon stream and ignited causing the explosion

    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/gulf-of-mexico-deepwater-horizon-oil-spill-2010-4#ixzz0n4j09Jqa

  • American liberal

    Outside… Things aren’t always as their supposed to be…. Look at Haliburtons record in Iraq….. They couldn’t even install showers that wouldn’t electrocute our troops…. They cut corners everywhere they could in order to get more money from the American tax payer….. Why wouldn’t I think they did the samething in the Gulf?… Were not sure any of the safety measures you posted were taken on this rig…Haliburtons record speaks for itself… And it’s record in Iraq wasn’t good….

  • George E

    Outside,

    Thanks very much for offering this explanation of the drilling process. This should help in determining the true cause of this disaster.

  • JeffH

    Steve Jones, G Beck is all over these guys, exposing them at every turn. I think he’s providing a great education tool for those that believe “something is rotten’ in the White House!

  • American liberal

    Steve, Jeff… Glenn Beck?.. You actually believe he has any credibility at all?.. Funny…. Beck himself said:quote:… I couldn’t give a Rats behind about political process, this is an entertainment company: unquote….he plays on the not very bright Americans that watch fox news….their job is to rile you up… They have no connection to news…. It’s propaganda..all the crying and blubbering Beck does is an act…and his act changed when he left CNN and moves to Fox…

  • JeffH

    Time,
    Glen Beck has done more to “connect the dots” regarding the Obama administration and all of his cronies at “Crime Inc.” than anybody else. His information can be verified with a little bit of research. Heck, I’ve pretty well connected a lot of the same dots that Beck has. He just adds credibility to my research. Beck is kiterally teaching history for anyone that cares to listen. I don’t always watch or listen, but when I do, it’s extremely eye opening.

  • JeffH

    “The third rule of ethics of means and ends is that in war the end justifies almost any means….”

  • TIME

    Wow – Doc, That would be that special unit “the Department of Enery” that was set up by Jimmiiee CarterO’ness in 1977.
    It was alledged to have us off all oil products from outside the USA in just ten years.

    Ok – as we all know that failed – but – now we have a Government job’s for a gang of 130 thousand workers who get a yearly pay package average of $145K, and – as I noted we are still doing the same dance.

    In a way this is just a small gig when one thinks about the HCR bill a few trillion dollar scam, let alone the Crap & Trade Scam that will be billions of trillions of dollars if passed.

    And just who will be getting hundreds of billions for his part in this scam if passed into law; OH – that would be none other than BarryO, who just last week said at UM speach, Just how much money is enough?

  • chipshot

    I do not believe in coincidences. There is always a cause and effect. I have absolutely no doubt this was an act of sabotage but, unfortunately, we will most likely NEVER find out for sure. Any evidence, if any, would be in 5000 feet of water and would be very difficult to recover.
    Regardless, you can rest assured that the islamobama administration would stop at nothing to stop all off shore (and onshore) drilling. I can believe without a doubt they are responsible for this catastrophy. And I agree this is going to be only one of many to come before the November elections. Can you say “Martial Law”? Wait and see.

  • http://www.ecoenergygroupusa.com Steve Jones

    In the past 30 days we have seen an unexpected and rather mysterious explosion at the Massey cal mine in WV followed by the Transocean disaster. In all 40 men have perished in accidents that have not yet been explained. These accidents are also once in a life time occurences. Prior to the accidents Cap and Trade was stalled, nearly finished in the Senate. Today, its likely to be passed before the end of the month. Those in position to benefit will dominate a 10 TRILLION dollar market. That’s enough to make the greedy moguls at Goldman Sachs to drool with anticipation. The now moribund Chicago Cliamte Exchange will make billions for its members. Maybe I watch too many Law and Order shows or read to many Agatha Christie novels but I am suspicious. Couple that with my rather intimate knowledge of the green movement and I will urge all to demand a proper investigation and pray my suspicions and instincts are entirely misplaced.

  • TIME

    Lets all call – Chuckiee Cheese Schummer really fast so he can get on TV and tell us how our brains may get hurt if we have open minds.

    Perhaps he can bring hb;00000.0000.1 – so that congress will pass a law that we all will have to wear duck tape around our heads with a special rubber padding to avoid any thoughts – and or open minds that may get dammaged brains from their being open.

    After all a bird may just drop a load on that open mind.
    And we just can’t have that now can we!

    Oh wait I think I hear Old uncle Joe – yea thats uncle Joe, he said it is a big Blanking deal!
    So lets get bussy with that duck tape and rubber padding.

  • American liberal

    Marvin… Nonsense… As usual….

  • TIME

    JLC;
    Now theres a fact of TRUTH. thanks we were all smelling something rotten, now we all know what it is.

  • Outside Looking In

    Cheney Inc had nothing to do with this aside from having a man and a pump on the rig. The cement is mixed in batches, weighed prior to pumping and samples are collected of each batch usually in coffee cups for proof of what a good cement job was done. The cement arrives in bulk so the 15 years of service Halliburton cementer is the only man associated with actual cementing, all of which is overseen by a BP rep at all times during the process. I am not a Cheney fan, but he nor Halliburton could have messed this up. Just BP, in their lime-green wisdom. I bet they NEVER displace before setting any plugs in the future either. Lesson learned, a real expensive one.

  • Danny Jeffrey

    Answer to Chuck B:

    The reason was the same as most other things that don’t get done. Poor leadership.

    The concept of fire boom boats was put forth years ago as the solution to problems such as this and we built one….ONE! Now we, the U.S.A., the world’s leaders of technology and production, are trying desperately to BORROW fire booms from other countries. Sad state of affairs.

  • American liberal

    Outside… Nope… You dont have a clue what Haliburton did or didn’t do on this platform….having safety regulations and following them are two diffrent things… Like the showers in Iraq or supplying our troops with unfit drinking water…I have locks on my car doors but don’t always use them…. You have no idea what took place on that rig… Haliburtons honesty had been questioned before… Like double billing..

  • George E

    You guys promoting hemp fuel crack me up. Do you really want to use it for fuel, or do you just want to legalize hemp so you can smoke it when you want?……ha.

  • DaveH

    I find it hard to believe that Government can talk to us about Freedom, and at the same time put people in jail for growing a plant. Especially after the history lessen of Prohibition.

  • pat

    tell that to the NWO 41 oil crowd who had hemp declared illegal back in Nixon’s time to up the ante on the illegal drug trade to pay for black ops and line their pockets–long ago, it used to be against the law in this country for farmers to NOT grow hemp–now that is illegal, and as i write, the same monsters that include Monsanto are trying to pass an international law that NO ONE can grow NONGMO food–my only question is will anyone survive this “ratsinasack” situation-

  • George E

    That may be, but you reduce the chance of getting hemp legalized for use as a fuel if you also try to legalize it as a drug, in my opinion. Keep the issues separate, and let the market decide if hemp fuel is a good way to go………..but I know I’m preaching to the choir here………ha.

  • Meteorlady

    Hello – Hemp is not for smoking usually – marijuana that is cultivated for that very purpose is for smoking. We already have hemp clothing – last time I tried I could not get it to smoke at all. It just burned up and went away.

  • Claire

    Meteorlady–When I was younger I did want to try pot but I was afraid. I was afraid I would go nuttier than a fruitcake so I abstained!! I was truly afraid I would “damage” my brain! lol

  • TIME

    Dude, we need to keep a good laugh on hand now and then or the real nut case’s you know the ones that will go postal – that invaded this sight such as De’missO or O Nano Wit would make us all toss out lunch’s.

  • George E

    Jeff,

    I definitely don’t trust politicians to give us the real unvarnished truth unless it aligns with their agenda. However, I feel sure the oil and gas industry will seek out the truth for themselves so they can find out what caused this accident so they can take measures to avoid it in the future. With all of the folks involved in this effort, the truth will eventually get out, I feel sure.

  • C Kania

    And now how about the refinery that just exlpoded. A truck was being loaded onto a loading dock and exploded, no the refinery is on fire. If this does not effect gas prices I don’t know what will. Well, yes I do! They are being manipulated anyway to create the effect that we don’t have any gas to artificially declare a deficit. Everyone ready for $5/gallon gas? I hope you are, and they say Bus is responsible for the economy continuing to stay upside down.

  • raffer

    Al Gore had to do SOMETHING to fund his new $9 Million home in California. See it here: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2010/05/03/stunning-pictures-al-gores-new-9-million-mansion-media-totally-ignore

  • JeffH

    C Kania…5 injured in explosion at Texas refinery
    Blast big enough to be felt miles away, but few working due to holiday.
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23222087/

    Too many disasters related to “fossil” fuels to be considered a coincidence. No matter who is responsible, these could just as well be terrorists, domestic or foreign or straight up sabotage to push the “global warming” agenda of a particular political belief. Nothing that has happened is above scrutiny anymore.

  • http://aol.com Pathfinder

    At this point in time, to say that you have no doubt, when there is not yet any evidence, is foolish. I also have suspicions about this. But, until we investigate and gather evidence; no one KNOWS if it was an accident or deliberate. (Think of a fire marshall trying to decide if a particular fire was arson or an accident.)

  • Doc Sarvis

    The keyword there is “almost”. That opens up a huge hole in that theroy especially when this is the very horror that environmentalists warn against.

  • JeffH

    Expand the thought to a “One World Order” ideology of the most manipulative, richest and powerfull people in the world.
    The Rothschilds, Rockerfellers, Soros, etc and the “governments” they are able to buy. The economies they are able to destroy. Think in terms of IMF or EU and global control. It is a well known concept and has been pushed and pulled since 740AD.

  • Doc Sarvis

    I don’t believe that President Carter said we would be off of oil products in ten years.
    As for your stated average pay for the D.O.E. employees; if many are working in nuclear energy and nuclear arms production I am not surprised they are getting that big chunk of change (if that is the average).
    I hope you would explain just how President Obama will personally get hundreds of billions of dollars out of the Health Care Reform legislation and/or the cap and trade legislation.

  • angel-wanna-be

    Apparently “another” oil fire, on land in San Antonio__as per fox news.

  • JeffH

    American liberal, I take it you don’t think much about Beck?
    Sometimes exposing the truth does hurt. You wouldn’t be able understand that though. Your ctedability is only preceeded by your vitriol, name calling and ridicle, something you have learned well from your mentor.

  • TIME

    Nana Wit,

    I would take the work product of Glenn Beck over any news media that you can name.
    Strange that in the UK they feel the same way, as in like Glenn beck as well think that most of the US news media coverage we get is Trash at best and waste material is more what they think about folks like Katie Q – I love the rants on Mad Dog Kieth the O Man, one of my friends in the UK calls him a wacked out druggie thats high on his own Butt gas.

  • JeffH

    credibility…

  • JeffH

    Big Spring is about halfway between El Paso and Dallas, where Alon is based.

  • angel-wanna-be

    An 18 wheeler exploded, apparently a sit was being fueled_ 1 person critcally burned, one is missing, the explosion set off a few smaller explosions.

  • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

    Check history before Nixon signed into law Environmental protection the air in most major cities was close to unbreathable and our rivers were polluted this is fact not fiction

  • angel-wanna-be

    JffH, I saw it red banded, about 45 min ago on fox. I gotta turn it back on, I didn’t see details___I do believe somethings in the wind.

  • tracycolorado

    The oil rig was sabatoged , why would obama send swat teams out to other oil rigs . And what does the Department of Defence have to do with this situation . They will stop at nothing to achieve thier agenda , not even murder

  • Jerry W

    This is very true; however if I were the fire marshall looks at clues and follows probable paths until they are disproven. That is where we are now.

  • Jerry W

    I say this because there has never been another case like this, though it is possible this is the first time; but looking at the green movement and their objections to oil drilling of anykind, esp in the water, it is very suspicous.

  • TIME

    Look up ( The CCX ) also the (Joyce Foundation,) – who’s smack dab in the center of it all, “BarryO,” oddly so to his bro Al Gore, and non other than Goldman – slap my hand – saks.
    lets not forget our old pal Franklin Rains our former Fanny Spanking Mae CEO who not only cooked the books and is 90% responsible for the Last Bubble – oh and by the way made $98 Million dollars off the back of the US Tax payers when CEO of Fanny Spanking Mae, also the marvels over at SEIU, As I recall thats Andy slap my face Stern – just to name a few.

    Hey when it comes to low I have had to fight these special people back in the 80′s with a number of friends. like my friend Frank when Al Gores specail wife Tippie Gore and her gang of thugs were working on bending and perverting the first admentment.

  • Doc Sarvis

    Time
    And how about X.P.t.t.t. and their sisters the Lulus. They were drinking from the still at the same time that Georgie over there was taking a shovel and digging up all that cash put there bye Mr. What’s-It’s-Name – at the same time Smitty over there was peaking into the cookie jar of the big government Hoosba and you know where that ended up.

    See, I can write junk like that too.

  • Doc Sarvis

    Time,
    Look, I am not trying to insult you. It is just when I see entries like your last one with no facts, just a bunch of short-hand allegations taped together in a stream-of-consciousness way it is impossible to make sense of it.

  • TIME

    Jeff, I can’t argue that it sounds like a good spot to really PO a lot of people. Good observation.

  • Claire

    No, but they can sure look for evidence.

  • Claire

    JeffH–Nonetheless, there HAS to be a reason WHY they were sent. Sure wish I knew.

  • angel-wanna-be

    Deborah, yes sadly, there is already too many “Mishaps”!?!

  • Ben Goodin

    If you believe this, then you MUST believe 911 was orchestrated by the Bush regime in order to justify invading Iraq.

  • jbird

    That link is for an incident Feb. 18, 2008.

  • marvin

    JeffH ,SOME POINTS the natural gas is the pusher for oil it is the gravity of the oil with out it oil will not flow and is thick and heavy if the blow out preventor was in place and working it would have shut of the flow as for 450 ton sounds big most i ever say were in the 1 ton range weight wise with bolt on flanges all steel o rings with two sets of rams one to close on pipe and one to cut the pipe off and seal now this bop being use uder water would most likely be bigger but the same principal point being if the bop was working and they showed it on tv so it was on the well it just not working or won,t close

  • JeffH

    OOPS! Sorry, I missed it completely.

  • JeffH

    Maybe, just maybe you can make the necessary corrections and explain why the comment is nonsense? It seems you may feel like you know differently.

  • JeffH

    “almost” doesn’t play any role here.

  • Doc Sarvis

    Ya, nice try.

  • George E

    Liberal,

    You’re right. We don’t know what caused this accident. It might have been something that Halliburton did. It might have been caused by eco-terrorists, or something else for that matter. We don’t know yet. One thing I’m sure of is that if Halliburton was as bad as you apparently think they are, they wouldn’t be the relatively successful big company they are today. Instead, they’d be out of business because their customers wouldn’t use their services.

    By the way, how about thanking Outside for his/her input on this issue instead of implying you know more about this situation than he/she does? I may not choose to agree with Outside’s conclusions, but I do think this is some of the best input we’ve gotten on this topic from which to draw our own opinions. Just a suggestion.

  • TIME

    George, You have to feel sorry for Nano Wit, his mommie only lets him play on the computer for a few hours per day.

    But in the real world his IQ is well over 100 its 101 – and he really knows about everthing, afterall his mommie said so, and if she said so it must be true.

  • JeffH

    George E, eventually that will probably happen. To get to the bottom of the matter will take years, that I am sure of. Whether or not the final determinations are the truth or not will always be a mystery. Recent history has proven that. JFK, Waco, Ruby Ridge? Questions remain today that either have never been answered, been covered up or just plain ignored…coverup is the name of the game. I wish there was some trust to be found, but it’s just not there anymore.

  • JeffH

    Ladybounty, spit out all of that anger. You sure changed my mind…It’s Bush’s fault and those capitalists he works for.

    I thought about supporting green everything until I read your comments. Too much anger for me to be associated with. Next thing ya know, you’ll be called an extremist. Not for me! Sorry.

  • TIME

    Lady ding bat,
    Yada yada yada yada yada Oh yada yada yada duh, yada.

    Now a fact for your bubble headness, your little bubble bud BarryO gave BP a pass on inspections, and regulations last spring thats as in the spring of 2009.

    So wake up and stop your BS then Pull YOUR head out of your back side, perhaps if you opened your ears and eyes you may lean something.

    On to the next point; I would tender a bet your brother was not on the noted rig. Thats just for effect and a 100% total BS statment.

  • TIME

    Tracy,
    Its easy to understand, there were alleded to be people on the rig some who may not have been so kind as to keep quite, thus a good swift shot in the head from a swat team cures the problems good and quick.

  • Claire

    TIME–Sorry I have to say this–are you also referring to Limbaugh? They are two of a kind.

  • Claire

    George E–I was looking for you! Thank God for common sense. I am not going to jump to conclusions–at least not yet. I sure hope we find out the truth. Somehow.

  • George E

    Claire,

    You flatter me. It’s a pleasure for me to work with you as well. Thanks.

  • Claire

    George E– My husband was telling me that Exxon was supposed to cough up all that money to the fisherman, etc. in Alaska and they haven’t paid it all. That was 20 years ago, wasn’t it? But they have posted high profits since then. Also, the ground there is still saturated with oil. This latest oil spill is going to be much worse I’m afraid.

  • http://gmail i41

    ldybounty, sorry about your loss, but greens and your group have screwed up every sector of our economy. First, we cann’t harvest trees, it might mess up owl mating habitat,it put thousands out of work and shut down mills, you grass munchers wanted wilderness areas, so damn remote only a 1000 people will ever visit them, got more college educated pavement morons hired to sit on their asses and collect taxpayers money looking at mating bears, joined in with the dems in 80′s to pay landowners, to get government payments sitting on their ass doing nothing, sitting got so boring, farmers went to town and worked cheaper, since they had a yearly welfare payment of several thousand, in some cases millions of taxpayers money, all in the plan to help grow wildlife, this has been going on for over 30 years. Cann’t drill anywhere because there might be a mouse or rat that is rare. The last permitted oil refinery in the southwest was stopped in ’78 to study a damn rat for a decades, guess what the rat’s range, goes all the way into Canada.Cann’t feed your livestock in a fenced area over 45 days unless you get a permit from the soil conservation clowns on your manure plans.You could own one cow, and keep her penned in a pasture, if you give her cut native hay for more than 45 days you must get a permit. This kind of literal BS was put into law in 1993 by Whorehound Clinton and Bruce Blabbitt. Have never met a greeny or a tree hugger that isn’t a vegan or deranged democrat idoit. You simple minded enviors think animals are blessed with human qualities, animals were put on the planet to raise, hunt, kill and eat. Pavement pounders don’t have a simple minded grasp of hour nature and private enterprise works. All enviors are grass chewers and love the socialist government loving democrats plans for our nation. I see our muslim Prez just signed another excetive order for 20 million dollars to bring in Hamas, Palistine groups and other muslim terrorists to the USA, giving them housing shelter,food to live on our dime. When we have so many unemployed people and a big debt with falling taxes. Just what need more muslim thugs, of course now we have more terrorists in house with greater muslim ties, Obee might chose a church now. Hope muslims like pork, this is USA and the muslim and dems will help feed their diaper headed sand hogs. Greenies hurt and waste the resources than any group, and leave a bigger mark on the enviorment than any other group.

  • http://www.chuckglisson.com Chuck Glisson

    John Myers, you are PATHETIC!

    Not OUNCE of PROOF and YOU go off on a TANGENT, implying something that would be a CRIME if true, what does the BIBLE say about spreading FALSE RUMORS JERK?

  • Chaos Factor

    Transocean pays no taxes in America…..Haliburton moved it’s business overseas to avoid taxes….and of course BP doesn’t pay taxes….Time… They were drilling much deeper than the permit they had allowed…. And you’re defending these companys that broke the regulations because?… I’ll just assume you aren’t very bright, so skip that and give me a valid reason…

  • American liberal

    Chaos .. These people don’t know why they’re defending these companys… They just do it because they’re masters tell them to…. These companys screw them over and over and yet they sellout America defending them…

  • chuck b

    amer lib and chaos factor= talking to each other, probably one and the same person. school must be out

  • http://gmail i41

    Chaos, Yes Haliburton moved off to Dubia, vacation site of Whorehound Clinton. They did pay their taxes which is more than Daschle, Rangle, and the rest of your double dipping democrat smurfs. And they get taxpayers insurance and cadillac benefits. Haliburtons crew and their families have furished insurance as well as good pay. You liberal socialists could even buy a starter for a vac truck. We all are waiting to hear, what you liberal democrat simpletons do for money, welfare rats, roll illegal feild workers? They do have alot of cash and food stamps, or furnish goats for the pedophile worshiping muslims? I know you liberals hate companies, large or small, because dems need someone, to tell you, what to do and how often. You never will find business owner or self employed worker that is a democrat. All dems are socialist communist that never have really worked for them selves, well except Blarny and his boys sex ring he oversaw or masterminded.

  • ROD OH

    I am almost fininished reading “American Theocracy” by kevin Phillips and it talks in that book about the “mind set” that believes in this type of “consopiracy thinking garbage”. Not surprising to me was that those most “gullible” to this type of “diatribe” are “religious fundamentalists”. It seems that their “mind set” can’t cope on any type of “intellectual” level and they are thus prone to believing whatever their preacher or right wing pundit tells them. How pathetic and how sad for our nation. Incidentally, Mr. Phillips is a Republican ..not a “dreaded liberal”. I would highly recommend the book to any of you who blog here…but my fear is that it is something none of you could possibly understand. After all…you would then have to admit to yourself how you have been ‘fleeced” by your own preachers and so-called “political leaders”.

  • Verna Smith

    It is so unbelievable that the politicians and people in power will do anything for power and rule, but in the past 10 years I have seen it.
    Long before Beck (on tv I didn’t know of him before), during the Bush administration I seen the mad, angry faces of the opposition do anything to regain power and defame our President at the cost of American lifes and freedom. They would lie through their teeth and when things seemed to not be going their way or when someone that threatend their existance like Sarah Palin, they would get hot and heavey with their accusations and almost look like they were going to vomit if they didn’t make people believe lies. I didn’t worry about it at first because I didn’t think that the American people would believe these angry lies and accusations because it was so obvious what they were trying to do. It blew my mind to think, “they don’t care what they look or sound like to the American people, they American people and what they had to say and what they stood for didn’t mean anything to them.” But somehow they had everyone believing them and sabatoging the past administration until it was helpless to do anything for us. It boggled my mind how they convinced the American people that they were for them instead. I couldn’t believe the American servicemen’s lifes lost and also putting the American people’s lives in danger by hindering the protection of our country that they caused by doing everything they could to discredit the former administration in order for them to gain power.
    ..It appears that they do not care who they hurt or kill (you and me and our children) in order for them to get power. In fact that seems to be their goal. They have been acting for a long time like it is a done deal. I wished I knew what they know that we don’t know yet. I always trusted our government that our safety and prosperity was their top priority and that they were keeping us safe. But through the years (seeing everthing that was happening to us, the loss of jobs to over seas leaving us with nothing, the increasing employer abuse, the increasing crime, the defaming of our Christian heritage, catering to illegals and punishing the hard-working American people who continue go with less and less, imprisoning those who try to do right,laws to take our land and our children,etc.) I would wonder ‘why isn’t our government doing anything to protect us from these bad laws’? Now, through a rude awakening I see that it has been a plan all along, they knew what was happening because it was part of their plan.
    YES, I blieve that the oil spill was sabatoged with just a small chance that it was an accident, AND I now beleive that 911 somehow involved those in power in our land. I hope that the American people (and I think they are) wake up and aren’t fooled much longer.

  • JeffH

    Can you provide the source of your information about the taxes paid by either or? I’d appreciate any proof so I can write my congressman and pose the same question. Otherwise I might be inclined to think you made all of that tax stuff up!

  • JeffH

    You certainly have plenty of experience working for a “master” don’t you? Master Saul, Master Barack, Mistress Pelosi, Master Reid, Master Soros. Why, you probably have worked for Master Gore before.

    Affirmation without discipline is the beginning of delusion.

  • JeffH

    literally

  • TIME

    Hi Claire,
    As I have said a number of times I don’t have cable TV, I do how ever have a TV that we watch DVD’s etc. on.
    I also have a friend that burns Glenn Becks shows on to dvd for me to see, he was not sure what to think about Mr. Beck, now he is very clear on him.

    Please keep in mind that I am hooked in very well with a lot of people, by that I mean the ones you see in the media all the time.
    So when I say something is a “TRUTH” it is just that, its not speculation, nor an opinion based on what someone else thinks.

    So when I say that everything I have seen so far of Mr. Glenn Beck is dead on straight as it gets “TRUTH.”

    There are no twist or spin in it at all, its just hard “CORE FACT.”
    by the way, I am not yelling, I am pointing out fact.

    As to Rush, I think thats how his name is spelled, I don’t know much about him never met him in person and only have the following to say.

    People I know that many on this sight would love to hang by the neck, hate Rush, and are going totaly bat crap crazy over Mr. Glenn Beck, why – he is exposing what they are doing and they are in dire fear of what he will expose next, as Americans are waking up slowly.

    And just for the record – if what he is saying were not true, he would have been fired a long time ago. And had law suits that would go on for years on end. Note not a one to date, that speaks MEGA volumes.

    From what I understand from a really well know source; Mr. Glenn Becks rating are going up so fast that his TV show is Number 1 in ratings week after week.

    Keep in mind hln, cnn and msnbc numbers are dropping so fast they have never seen anything like it before.
    Thats not my opinion thats straight out of the horses mouth’s.

  • Claire

    TIME–I can handle Glenn Beck but I sure don’t like Limbaugh. This sounds terrible but I usually don’t get to watch TV until I go to bed. Too busy with the dogs and the yard and sneaking in a post here!

  • American liberal

    Jeff… Couldn’t answer?… So you’re defending these companys that just screwed the enviorment in the gulf because…?.. You don’t even know… You just think it’s ” the Republican” thing to do… You’re just a tool for them..

  • Claire

    Pat R — Oh, great. Just what we want to hear.

  • JeffH

    Nothing to answer to! How am I supporting anybody involved? I don’t recall ever throwing in with the Republicans and certainly haven’t thrown in with any of the corporations which means you are playing the tired old liberal game of “trying to put words in somebody elses mouth”. It don’t fly anymore.

    I got a tool for you! heh heh!

  • JeffH

    Heh heh! I’ll give you credit for trying but “homey don’t play dat”!

  • JeffH

    American liberal, if I can ask, where is your alter ego, the other American liberal that love to berate and name call just because he can? You’ve actuall participated today. No offense meant, but I’m not used to that.
    I guess my question would be; Are you real or are you Memorex?

  • T.Paine

    American Liberal…you insinuate that Repubs back big business and vice versa.
    Answer this please: How much money was given to Bowbama and the Democrats during the last election by…Goldman Sachs & BP ??
    Perhaps you could also answer WHY BP was not required by the Dept of the Interior for a environmental Impact study for that rig in the Gulf last year?

  • JeffH

    Claire , Swat teams aren’t dispatched to search for evidence, maybe to make sure the areas are clear so that investigators can come in. I would believe that the Coast Guard or the Navy would have been dispatched for security reasons, not SWAT teams. Just curious why a Swat Team was dispatched.

  • denniso

    Most Repubs so fear gov’t tyranny that they are more than willing to sell out to the corporations, who are actually the entities who are enslaving them and ripping them off. All they can see is black and white and no shades in between, so all gov’t is bad(except that which aids them or provides for the military)and all ‘private’ enterprise is good…kind of like little kids who will only eat some things and won’t even try anything else, especially things that are good for them.

  • warbird

    The green and sierra club types are as depraved and sick as the disgusting animal rights movement turd baggers!Lets shut these in country maggots down and now so we can focus on other real threats!

  • JeffH

    I thank God I’m not a Republican!

  • George E

    I don’t know about that. I would like to preserve and protect our capitalist free enterprise system while keeping government as small and effective as possible. If that’s what you mean, then I plead guilty….

  • http://gmail i41

    You mush brained idoits, a permits allows drilling, they are already in water over a mile deep. Companies drill as deep as their pockets will let them, restrictions on drilling dept, are the liberal dems that damn stupid? When you drill for water or oil you look at maps, which is too much info for numnuts of the liberal slant. If there wasn’t a BOP in place it wasn’t Bush, since he has been around oil feild rigs, Odumazz probably had his first trip on a rig site, as well as the other simple minded lawyers that got a air trip, they don’t have a clue what is going on, except grab their kelly bar. Did they have a plan or was it a CYA for all the dems and the muslim? As for defending the companies, yes I will, it is dangerous and the pay is great, the crews have to work hard, but make more, than you eniro smucks ever will. Of course you libs couldn’t live in a man camp, because if you wimps started talking BS there, your faces would try to bruise someones fists. Theories don’t fly to far in the real world. We have more oil inland here, than the middle east does put together. Dems are always cutting deals with dictators, Kennedy and Chavaz, Clinton and Arab Emeriates, Carter, Clinton, Bushes, and Obama and Saudia Arabia. There is 8 times the oil in the Williston Basin than in Saudia Arabia. Oil wells have been drilled and the valves cranked shut, it will have a Canadian pipeline going to the Gulf which passes through the feild. For you liberal, socialist, democrat,anal idoits check out the Stansbury Report on the Rocky Mts. for some real facts, if you can read and comprehend truth. Since democrats cann’t handle facts, the dems screwed up the enviorment in the ocean, democrat Congress and the muslim Ahab the Arab Hussian Obamee owns this lock stock and valve with oil on beaches.

  • American Liberal

    Jeff… No.. You never see me post an insult unless i get a wise crack from one of you… You see me respond .. And it’s typical that you don’t even acknowledge the ( very weak) insults from you rightys…. But, I don’t care what any of you call me.. Doesn’t matter… Don’t care… And it’s expected….. So insult away… I couldn’t care less.. One of the other mindless rightys ask me why I come in here… Why would I want to sit and listen to people agree allday long?.. You rightys need to hear the other side..you won’t get any real truth from Fox news or Rush… Glenn Beck admitts he’s just an entertainer and you guys still fall for his blubbering crybaby act… Rush is a proven drug addict.. But he’s a rightwing hero .. So I’m here to let you rightys know you aren’t fooling anyone with the Christian act or the patriot act… I’m not buying that founding Father nonsense either… This is 2010.. Not 1776… Youre not John Paul Jones( he played bass in Led Zepplin) and your wife isn’t Bettsy Ross…. We know how our economy got where it is and we know who got us here… I’m here to remind you…it’s my duty to ” help you”..,

  • JeffH

    Now Chaos Factor, if they operate in America, that means they either pay taxes or they use tax loopholes to avoid paying taxes. It sounds as if they are bedding down with the people that make the laws. Washington is corrupt, plain and simple!

  • tracycolorado

    What ever happened to the million dollar , politzer peace prize , awarded to OSAMA OBAMA ? ONLY GOD KNOWS , didnt see that on his tax return did you ?

  • JeffH

    American Liberal, now now , don’t lie! There are hundreds of examples of your insults and name calling to be had.
    Either there are two American Liberals posting or you are a straight up liar.

  • JeffH

    Now that’s the Alinsky hack we like to ignore.

  • rjg

    Wrong

    Geographic Information Systems Programmer/Analyst currently working for oil and gas in Calgary AB.

    Go Flames

  • Bob Wire

    i41 Says “I know you liberals hate companies, large or small, because dems need someone, to tell you, what to do and how often. You never will find business owner or self employed worker that is a democrat. All dems are socialist communist that never have really worked for them selves,”

    i41, being inaccurate and just simply “wrong” is not something to “aspire too” while it must be perceived a “virtue” in your crowd, the rest of the world doesn’t think so. You’d make a fine candidate for one of those “pauper 2nd party life insurance policies” I’d enjoy insuring you for a 100 million, do you mind?

  • Claire

    JeffH– And I bet they are glad you aren’t!!! lol

  • JeffH

    Claire, I refuse to align myself with any political “party”. I’ve always thought for myself, good-bad-indifferent. Look, listen, read and then sort through the BS…then I make up my mind. I’ve never allowed anyone else to do my thinking for me, especially with politics and religion.

    How’s Robin proggressing? I think of her often, especially while reading my latest issue of Gun Dog magazine which had an article about a german shorthair in it.

  • Claire

    JeffH–HI!! I am like you, I refuse to align myself with either party. It is something we cannot do anymore since both parties have become real losers.
    Robin is just about blind in her eye. The vets said she was down to about 90% blindness last Friday. She goes back to the Univ. of Illinois a week from tomorrow. She takes 5 eye medications plus an antibiotic. 4 of the eye drops every 8 hours, and the other every 6 hours so I have to stay up until midnight. The vets said she will probably have to have it removed. The eyeball is still enlarged and has not decreased in size. The pupil is huge. Geez, I wish this had never happened. She is such a sweet dog, very gentle, very feminine. I love her to pieces. She will be 9 years old May 9th. And I have 7 more that I love with all my heart. They contribute so much towards happiness in my life and they all did so well when I was showing them. I am very proud of my 4-legged buddies. And I take good care of all of them. I am not complaining but this is one of the reasons I am still working, Robin’s bill at the Univ of Illinois was $ 1,662.50 so far. And I don’t use credit cards. And one never knows when they can get sick or something. God forbid. Vets are expensive but I take care of my dogs, and they deserve to be taken care of properly.
    I get home from work at 5:10 p.m. and when I come in the front door and say “Mom’s home” they all start “hollering.” They want their supper! I have to laugh, one of my co-workers always says “Don’t ask Claire about her kids and grandkids, ask her about her dogs.” I love my kids & grandkids but dogs are special. They don’t give me “crap.”

  • Claire

    JeffH– I must remember my manners! Thank you for asking about Robin.

  • JeffH

    Claire, I think dogs are just the best therapy for mankind. They stick by your side through thick and thin, forgive you when you’re cranky, never hold a grudge and most important, they give you that undying love. I spent plenty at the vet on my Duke too. It hurts you more than it hurts them when they are sick or injured.
    Dog’s are resilient and I’m sure Robin will adapt well when this is all over. Just pad the walls for awhile til she adapts. Just kidding about padding the walls.lol

  • Claire

    JeffH–Your words are so true. Your Duke sounds like he was a wonderful dog. It is not easy to lose them. And yes, they are worth every penny a person spends on them. It is by chance that I ended up with 8 dogs! I got 2 back from the last litter that I bred in 2001. I got “Gretchen” back because the owner became quite ill and eventually passed away. And I took “Callie” away from a teacher here in town. He said he would not chain her up and he did so I gave him his money back and brought her back home with me. Chaining any dog makes them crazy, especially a sporting dog. I have in my contract that if for any reason, people cannot take care of the dog, the dog has to come back to me. I am a little weird about this because I don’t want any of them to end up in a bad situation. After all, these pups were out of my “Sandra Dee” and they deserve a good life. Gads, it is like anything else, there are some wackos out there and a person has to be careful.

  • Linda

    Why doesn’t anyone think to look in the direction of the Middle East? It would benefit them the most to sabotage our oil wells and get our off shore drilling terminated because of a bad accident. They are not interested in seeing us drill for our own oil. They want us to become more dependent on their oil so they can raise oil prices sky high (and we would have no choice but to pay the price).

  • JeffH

    Go Sharks! Sorry, from California…gotta root for the home team.

  • denniso

    As my comment near the top says, Cheny, the oil man’s best friend, blocked a proposed mandate for an automatic shutoff valve on all deep water drilling rigs. The valve costs 500,000 $$ and is used in the north atlantic and off Brazil. The poor oil co’s didn’t want to have to pay that cost in our waters so Cheny did their bidding…remember the secret meeting he had w/ the oil and gas and coal people early in Bush’s term?
    The cost of this spill may top $14 billion and kill thousands of animals…all because Cheny/Bush made a deal w/ the oil co’s to save them $500,000. The Cheny/Bush legacy lives on. Jail them for fraud and corruption and damage to the environment and thousands of jobs.

  • Roger

    Read Michael Crichton’s book “State of Fear”. While his book is fiction, this is right on.

  • Sheldon

    Oil refinery fire in Washington state in early April, one in Canada in January.

  • JeffH

    I wish I knew too. It just adds to the confusion.

  • Claire

    JeffH–And I am confused enough!! lol

  • tracycolorado

    Time , You are a person of wisdom and common sence , keep up the good work

  • Claire

    tracyclorado–He gave it to charity–the CARE organization.

  • Claire

    JeffH– I am not a nutty greenie tree hugger but I do support the fact that we do need to take care of our environment, replace what we use, like the trees, our national parks, rivers, lakes, etc. America the Beautiful is what I always think. All we have is this one earth and if it is ever destroyed there will never be another. When I think of the word “earth” I think of Joyce Kilmer’s poem–
    “I think that I shall never see a poem as lovely as a tree, a tree whose hungry mouth is pressed against the earth’s sweet flowing breast. A tree that looks at God all day and lifts her leafy arms to pray. A tree that may in summer wear a nest of robins in her hair.”
    There is more but I won’t bore you!
    I learned a lot of poetry in English class in high school. lol

  • Claire

    warbird– I do not consider myself to be a radical but I do care about wildlife and the environment. Our Earth is so precious and we must do “right” by it. God did a magnificent job, he gave us the ground we walk on and the ability to grow our food from the earth. He gave us water and that we must try to keep clean and drinkable. God created every living being for a reason. He has given us all so much in so many different ways. We learn to deal with the bad times as well as the good times. And I know this can be very hard at times.
    I do not belong to the Sierra club or others like that since they are a bit too radical for me. But I do belong to the World Wildlife Federation, the ASPCA, and I contribute towards the German Shorthaired Pointer Rescue club when I can. Doing this makes me feel better about myself. It makes me feel like I am doing a little bit to help.

  • kilrntex

    Safety valve or the lack of it caused the explosion? I don’t think so. Sounds like they had gas coming up the annulus just after the cement job and tried to hang the liner off in the wellhead just below the ram preventers. Not enough weight to set the hanger in the wellhead caused the liner to float and the assembly was in the shear rams when they were closed. Shear rams are designed to cut drill pipe, not liner hangers, as they are much thicker and contain the seal assembly. This is probably what happened. Once it did, they were open to the world. A Sub Sea Safety Valve would have been worthless. My only concern is for the loss of life out there. Bin laden and the media never gave them a second thought. What a bunch of scumbags! Impeach the POS!!!

  • JeffH

    Claire, I have always been considerate of the earth and it’s beauty. Just through my outdoor hunting and fishing purchases and my memberships and donations I know I have contributed more than most Americans have. Unfortunately, there are the eco-radical extremists that believe differantly than I do and have helped to “liberalize and influence” government, which ultimately contributed to over regulations and job losses. I believe there has to be a balance, they don’t.

  • Rod

    At this time I don’t believe we can say this is deliberate. I do, however believe there should be an investigation into this thing.
    If it’s found to be deliberate, fix it so they can never do harm
    again!

  • Claire

    Heads up everybody–I have been hearing that BP has not been very nice to their employees- check it out.

  • Claire

    JeffH–I agree with you-there has to be a balance. And I respect you for your consideration of our environment.

  • denniso

    BP has a bad safety record and apparently defers vital maintenance on facilities that often leads to worker injury and death.

  • Claire

    What I heard was that their “compension” for employees was not good. They apparently do not treat their employees very good?

  • JeffH

    Claire, as always I thought I’d see what I could find on BP. This isn’t a sign of support, just some info by a current employee.

    BP – “A very good company, not perfect, but full of potential.”
    5 of 5 people found this helpful
    BP Training in Houston, TX: (Current Employee)
    Aug 23, 2008

    2008-08-23 09:05 PDT
    5.0 Details
    Recognition & Feedback 4.5
    Career Opportunities 4.5
    Senior Leadership 3.0
    Fairness & Respect 5.0
    Employee Morale 5.0
    Compensation & Benefits 4.0
    Communication 4.0
    Work/Life Balance 5.0

    http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Employee-Review-BP-RVW65081.htm

  • JeffH

    BP doesn’t seem to have a very positive safety record overall. As usual, my question is “who’s guarding the hen house”.
    As I see it, the regualators ae just as guilty as the violators. What is more important than the safety of human lives? The beaurocracy that collects the cash from the fines that allows the constant violator to continue to operate and the vilolators that would rather pay the beaurocracty a bunch of cash over human safety are equally guilty as charged.

  • Claire

    JeffH–The TV was on, and I was walking down the hallway and from the gist of what I heard, it was an employee being interviewed, and he was not favorable to the working conditions of BP. But I did not stop to watch and listen to the rest of it. I should have.

  • Fed Up Gal in NM

    How ya doin’ Time?

    Great response! My brother actually does work on a similar platform (my brother might correct me on my lingo here….I think there’s a difference between a rig and a platform (rig being when they are drilling and I think platform is afterwards when the oil or gas in some cases I suppose is found). Anyway, now to my point: Your response to LadyNOT was a “bulls eye”! I also doubt the truthfullness of her statement. I can’t speak for others’ family members, but I can speak for mine. My brother is in his late 40′s, has worked off-shore for the majority of his adult life (4 years in the military, then off-shore, then worked on-land a few years and then returned to off-shore). It’s hard and dangerous work, but he says he really does enjoy the type of work he does. He’s a real family man (has always worked hard to provide for his family) and says the 1 or 2 week ON / 1 or 2 week off schedule is the most difficult part (being away from his family) so much of the time. I’m proud of him and proud of anyone who has that kind of work ethic to do such a job the majority of folks would never even consider (kind of like the military, in some sense). Most don’t even consider how the gas they pump in their cars or how their gas or oil furnaces even connects to the American worker willing to risk so much.

    Anyway….thanks again for that response.

  • Hop

    This retired U S Navy vet can say that if N.Korea has a submarine it is only conventional at best. It would have to surface frequently & be noisy as heck which would never get past the listening devices we have off our shores. N.Korea might like to claim they did it but they don’t have the ability. They are like we were technologically after WWII. N.Korea wishes it could do something like this to our country, but they have neither the guts or the stupidity. They wish they could take over S,Korea too, but they can’t. The border is well watched & they can’t do another “Pearl Hrrbor” like attack on the south again, like the coward dogs they are.

  • Bob Wire

    For those of you who recall, Dick Chaney left his last day at the White House in a wheel chair. ~ Hidden in that wheelchair, were sensitive documents that he didn’t want to destroy, implicating “other’s and was his “get out of jail” card.

    Or ? Ricard Chaney is a very nice man, devoted to both God and Country and this attack unworthy a man of such position and dedication as the likes of Dick “the snake” Chaney.

    Which story is the most believable to you?

  • William Lord

    That “green eco-terroritsts” sabatoged the BP drilling platform thus sacrificing the ecology of the Gulf in the process to prove a point and stop further off-shore drilling would require a considerable amount of evidence to sustain beleivability. Naturally, you have none but that doesn’t stop you from feeding this garbage to the gullible true believers who feed from this trough. I am aware that simple minded sensationalism can always find an audience but have you no shame? Find honest work.

  • laura

    Now back to being meek, it doesn’t mean dead,poor,starved,restrained,beat,abused,or neglected..MEEK just means that we are’t able to compete with the system the way it’s RUN NOW.
    Make land more available to people and most if not all will use it for the correct and moral purpose. IT’s a gift from God, so stop trying to profit from God’s own free earth, didn’t we learn from the egyptian slaves going to the promised land, they are the chosen people and God granted them access!!!!!!!

  • E.A.U.M.

    It is a distinct possibility that this indecent was orchestrated by 1600 Pennsylvania Ave, in an attempt, and as an excuse to push for a Hugo Chavez style takeover of America’s Private energy industry. While we cannot prove that this particular oil platform was sabotaged; the Administrations attempt to control America’s private industry, and it’s anti-Capitalist mentality, certainly warrants a closer look, and a complete and thorough investigation by a sane entity, and not some Washington investigative panel put together by the devil himself.

  • Bob Wire

    Laura , people fail to understand the word “meek” it doesn’t hit the right nerve for most people. Few people comprehend the word and it’s meaning, but they think they do!

    Much like “humble” ~ which means to be “NOT Proud” which means to be “not offended”

    People fail to understand the power and internal strength that is required TO BE~ “NOT” OFFENDED

    To “not be offended”, requires us to harbor no doubts and no fears.

    I know few people void of doubt and fear!

    So I know few meek, humble people.

    Example; Jesus was not offend by the sinner or the devil himself. He was not shocked, upset, annoyed or angry , they were no threat to him.

    The sinner or the devil offered him “no doubt” in who he was or his purpose.

    The power lies in the “knowing of self”, and with that, comes meek and humble or humility. ( It’s a power, a strength, a virtue )

    No defense is offered ,for none it required if one is truly humble.

    Another example of humility is in the conversation that occurred between Pilate and Jesus, both men very confident in who they were and their purpose. I find it very powerful. Remember! we have a homeless vagrant dragged ‘front and center” to stand judgment before the most powerful AND WEALTHY man in the land, appointed by Cesar himself. The conversation goes like this ;

    ” Pilate was responsible for imperial tax collections in Judaea. Jesus had asked the tax collector Levi, at work in his tax booth in Capernaum, to quit his post. Jesus also appears to have influenced Zacchaeus, “a chief tax collector” in Jericho, which is in Pilate’s tax jurisdiction, to resign.[19] Pilate’s main question to Jesus was whether he considered himself to be the King of the Jews, and thus a political threat. Mark in the NIV translation states: “Are you the king of the Jews?” asked Pilate. “It is as you say,” Jesus replied. However, quite a number of other translations render Jesus’ reply as variations of the phrase: “Thou sayest it.”(King James Version, Mark 15:2); “So you say.” (Good News Bible, Mark 15:2). Whatever degree of confirmation modern interpreters would derive from this answer of Jesus, according to the New Testament, it was not enough for Pilate to view Jesus as a real political threat. In the same Gospel of Mark, 15 verse 5 of King James Version we read, that “Pilate marveled” (“was amazed” in Good News Bible).

    Following the Roman custom, Pilate ordered a sign posted above Jesus on the cross stating “Jesus of Nazareth, The King of the Jews” to give public notice of the legal charge against him for his crucifixion. The chief priests protested that the public charge on the sign should read that Jesus claimed to be King of the Jews. Pilate refused to change the posted charge, saying “What I’ve written I’ve written”, as if weary of legalistic nit-picking.”

    So, ~ It’s no a question of “who you are” but “who are they?”

    AND “who they are, what they do, think or say has ZERO to do with you” even if they wish to take your life. Your death will not change “who you are” only your status. For in death comes life and the cycle is completed. ~ Jesus could have pleaded but he died accepting what he was and his purpose. I think it was a hard thing for him to do just as it’s hard for us to be humble and meek today.

    For it is “their thoughts not yours” and no reflection on you.

    Meek, Humble, void of doubt, uncertainty and question.

    Few people make it to this point of understanding of “self”

    Myself, I’ve been there, but it’s a very difficult position to maintain, as uncertainty and question bangs relentlessly on the door.

    So~oo being meek and humble it a goal, a goal to focus and work toward. Who and what you are stays the same it’s only your status that changes. ~ Clear as mud?

    Enough ! side tracking ~ I lay the shovel down, not wanting to dig too deep on a side issue.

    We don’t see many meek and humble people in the oil business. They are rascals of sorts and on Pilot’s team. Might is Right.

    They are in a “prove it” mode, defending the indefensible at the moment It’s mostly damage control at this point.

    Some wild ass nymph caused it! Sent by Obama’s team of wild ass brotherhood of PINK-o’s tree hugging gun haters!

    I’m thinking tonight, if we must share the failures of Venture Capitalism, sharing the wealth is not all that unreasonable to consider. I know we’ve got a lot of bad press from that statement of sharing. Some wish to contemplate the extremes rather the “norms” like a “fair shake” , they rather envisioning worthless, non working, no counts with their hands out.

    Or is BP going to Cowboy up and take it on the chin? Like Exxon ? Ha Ha! ,yea right! They took it like a bunch of frat girls that just had their nails done.

    NO! they are going to defer it with the spirit this article attempts to produce.~ Osama did it! My ex wife did it! She was mean enough, I suspect her, she was near by, had to have been her!

  • gary

    exxon valdez in 1995 congress passes new law all new tankers to have double hull construction.(answer) register old ship with foreign flag,they still have the old names of ship welded on stern of ship. I’ve seen the exxon Valdez sail past me in Seattle,Wa. With the name “Three Rivers” painted over Valdez.So now they don’t want to pay for Blowout ,Valves,If the U.S. compliance Dept. will not enforce laws governing oil production and transportation there of, disaster like these two listed will continue to occur. I have intalled a lot of N.G. pipelines,the law insists that all pipe and parts installed are to be made in the U.S. take a look. but foreign Company’s like B.P. float their parts in from India ,China etc. Who is going to enforce that seeing their over the water Called the DOL asked them for stonger enforcement of the laws. They informed me that their not in the business of putting business out of Business so there you have it. A strong President would lock up B.P’s assests until this mess is 100% paid for. I have also heard that communist china is drilling in the gulf coast is that true? I wonder what rules their operating under for safety? Just another nobody American.

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