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A Better Idea For National Defense

December 27, 2011 by  

A Better Idea For National Defense

If there’s one thing that bothers me this time of the year, it’s seeing ex-servicemen in wheelchairs or sporting titanium arms and legs on television. If peaceful, rational humanoids from another galaxy landed in the United States, I have to believe they would be appalled. I can just hear them asking, “Who sent all these healthy young men and women off to be maimed and killed?” And, “Did the people who sent them lead the charge into battle?”

Many people argue that having the lives of thousands of young adults destroyed — or lost — is the price of preserving our freedom. During World War II, when America was a very different Nation, most people had no trouble buying into that proposition. But in today’s corrupt, semi-socialist America, the biggest threat to our freedom comes not from abroad, but from the criminal class in Washington — and, unfortunately, no one is talking about invading the Nation’s capital.

It’s time to skip the political-correctness silliness and face up to reality: Most wars are transfer-of-wealth scams — transferring money from you and me to the companies that build the planes, tanks, bombs, uniforms, drones, etc. that politicians say they need to protect us. The military-industrial complex has been dominant in all advanced civilizations throughout history, and it’s never been in better health than it is today.

We’re talking very big business here. It’s so big that those who benefit the most from it are willing to have people killed in order to keep the war assembly lines moving ahead at full speed.

As a third-generation tyrant (Kim Jong Un, a.k.a. “Chublet II”) steps to the fore in North Korea, one can’t helping thinking about the infamous Korean War that ended without victory in 1953 — even though victory was in the palm of General Douglas MacArthur’s hand.

Or the infamous Vietnam War that ended in defeat in 1975 — even though the United States could have won that war years earlier had it been willing to use overwhelming force.

Or the infamous Gulf War that ended, curiously, with Saddam Hussein still in power in 1992.

If you want to be ahead of the curve, you can add the Iraq War and the Afghanistan War to the above list as well. Bet the farm on this one: The Iraq story is going to have a very unhappy ending. The only question is whether the country will be overwhelmed by civil war or by an Iran takeover.

As to Afghanistan, it will end the same way that all Afghan wars end — meaning never. Its latest attackers — the Americans — will go back home with their tails between their legs, just as the Russians did before them. And the Afghans will continue to do what they have always done — fight.

It’s not possible to win a war against Afghanistan, because it’s not a real country. It’s a down-and-dirty suburb of the moon, filled with tribesmen who get up every morning, put on their skirts, and do what they have been doing for thousands of years — fight anyone who is willing to enter the ring with them. If there are no takers, they are happy to fight each other.

I don’t doubt the courage or patriotism of the young Americans for whom wheelchairs or prosthetics are now a way of life. They acted in good faith and did what they thought was right. They believed they were being patriotic and defending our freedom.

But it makes me angry that their lives have been shattered because corrupt men and women in Washington got them to believe they were fighting for a noble cause. They were not. That will become obvious to all in the coming years as we watch events unfold in Iraq and Afghanistan. But, along the way, $1 trillion got transferred from the pockets of taxpayers into the coffers of the military-industrial complex.

With drones, bunker busters and, in a pinch, nuclear weapons, war should by now be passé. It isn’t necessary to risk the lives of young men and women in far-off lands. If I were a hawk (which I most definitely am not), I would free the North Korean people in about 17 minutes — without harming any young Americans. Iran might take a week — just long enough to turn things over to the pro-Western youths in that country whom Barack Obama was so pleased to see crushed.

But, as I said, I’m not a hawk, so I wouldn’t take either of the above actions.  I’m just your average libertarian-centered conservative who is tired of war … tired of seeing young people’s lives shattered … tired of seeing American taxpayers forced to hand over their money to politicians so they can pursue never-ending overseas military adventures.

That said, let me make it clear that I’m a big advocate of having a strong national defense. My message to rogue nations would be simple: Mess with us and yesterday will always be remembered as the best day of your life. And, yes, we use nukes if that’s what it takes to make you behave.

Imagine all the lives and money that could have been saved had we hit the Tora Bora mountain range with a string of nuclear bombs in 2001. No U.S. casualties, no trillion dollars wasted, no decade of political posturing. And, best of all, from Russia to China, from North Korea to Iran, the rest of the world would live in fear of what might happen to them if they messed with the Great Satan. How much more comforting it is to be feared rather than liked.

The holiday season is a good time to reflect on how nice it would be if young Americans didn’t lose any more arms or legs and taxpayers would not have to fund a military-industrial complex with such a voracious appetite.

Strong national defense: Yes! Unwarranted wars and wars that we’re not serious about winning: No!

Robert Ringer

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  • s c

    Your last paragraph says it all, Robert. In no way is our military lacking patriotism. If only the same could be said for the filth who send our military off and around the world to play the part of a cheap prostie and the world’s cop.
    If our “leaders” want to show off their sunshine patriotism, let those miserable SOBs put some skin into the game. Let THEM fight wars that can’t be won. Let THEM fund unnecessary wars that prove that foreign intervention is suicidal to a free nation.

    • Robert Smith

      Question asked: “I can just hear them asking, “Who sent all these healthy young men and women off to be maimed and killed?”

      Answered: George W. Bush and Dick Chaney started the current mess.

      Rob

      • http://naver Samurai

        Obama bin Laden added onto the wars by starting them in Lybia, Yemen, sending troops to Uganda, sending trrops from Iraq to Afghanistan, still have troops present in Iraq (Which he promised to have come home within the first 6 minths of his 1 term.), and wishes to send 15,000 marines to Australia, along with the Navy, to check China’s presence in the South China Sea. Yep, it really sounds like Obama bin Laden has expanded the “empire building” of this country. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • FreedomFighter

          National Defense – allot goes into it, little of it making anyone happy.

          We should be protecting the Constitution, Bill of rights, freedom, liberty and our:

          Borders
          Language
          Culture
          Industry
          Resources…
          Last but not least, the American People

          American has no real National Defense program at this time. Oh yes we have a military all over the world performing world class smack down on any nation or people the New World Order banksters feel need a lesson, thus protecting their interests worldwide, we are not protecting America’s interests.

          We have a TSA or as I call them Obama’s brown shirts, all over the country groping and molesting Americans, yet Obama leaves our Southern border wide open, does this make any sense at all? Now also remember the Obama Regime is building a fence along the Canadian border to keep you IN. BTW the TSA has not caught a single Terrorist yet, billions spent, no results whatsoever. Meanwhile millions of illegal’s pour across the border, some North Korean, Communist Chinese, Muslim and the other usual suspects.

          National Defense you say, America can defeat any country on this planet without using a single boot on the ground, why are we exposing our young men and women to danger? The New World Order maggots want to grind down our most brave, most talented warriors to make the coming take over of America easier.

          The TSA is the instrument that is being used to subdue Americans, the TSA has jack to do with National Defense and everything to do with the enslavement of America.

          Obama has no National Defense, he is actually destroying it, canceled our Raptor fleet for the Air Force, leaves our Nuke subs in port for easy targeting, wastes resources, shuts down business, shuts down industry, leaves the borders open to destroy our culture, language, and eventually America. Why you ask? To maintain power by getting there vote, after giving free medical, free food, free housing and money to spend Obama does expect them to vote for DEMONRATS.

          Laus Deo
          Semper Fi

          • Capitalist at Birth

            Obama believes in the N.W.O., a continuation of the Socialist take over of America. It may be to late to stop. I am considering leaving the U.S.A., you may want to do likewise.

          • MikeFromNC

            Well put! I can’t fathom how so many Americans can be deceived. Do the democrat free loader voters think the free money will never run out? Does obummers big teeth mesmerize the lazy class?
            I say to every real American patriot (and it is obvious who these are)- Be prepared – what oloser doesn’t understand is that the military is full of real Americans – when push comes to shove he won’t be able to control them like a communist military.

          • Joe Berger

            Wasn’t it BUSH who really got the Mexican invasion rolling?
            Obama is bad but Bush was worse.
            Bush allowed the “housing bubble fiasco” by allowing everyone to falsify their mortgage applications with total impunity.
            It was also Bush who exported all our jobs to Asia.
            It was Bush who started the Afghan and Iraqi wars, and borrowed all the money to finance them.
            North America is a civilization in decline. WE ARE DONE…FINISHED…KAPUT.

          • Airdale150

            FreedomFighter your comment is one of the best, honest and very,very true I have read in a very long time. The N W O needs to be brought out a lot more so the people find out about it.

          • eddie47d

            How can FF’s comment be the best when it was only an attack against Obama. Until some of you get a real grasp on the Military Industrial Complex you have learned nothing. It was much larger under the Cheney/Bush regime and totally corrupt. It’s been around for decades but all of a sudden you’ve woken up because Obama is President. That is why it is hard to believe anyone here because it is about politics (Obama)and regaining power for yourself. Then once in power it will be your turn again to mess things up and you’ll be back in bed with the Military Industrial Complex.

          • mickey

            This all started way before the Bushes, Clintons, obama. It has been going on at least since the turn of the last century. Although, I hate to agree with eddie, he is right. Both sides just take turns.

            all the more reason to pay attention to RP. $5 gets his name out to a few more people.

            Without a preservation of the Constitution and BRs, we have no soverignty. We cannot even have free speech (information), guns, protection from search and seizure (NDAA).

            Even those things we put in our body, raw milk, walnuts for pity’s sake, and on and on have no meaning without the BRs

            We aren’t winning anything except the label on those air wings bearing US “will bomb you”. While China and Japan, many others too, make trade agreements, we are still listening to neo-cons-bomb, bomb, and bomb some more.

            I am old enough to remember the WWII vets. They weren’t hidden from view nor did they receive new legs and arms.

          • RYNO

            America ceased being a peaceful nation for the people by the people in 1913 when the federal reserve act passed and the control of our economy fell into the hands of private bankers, effectively making the america a profitable business and war is VERY profitable!

          • Karolyn

            capitalist – That is New WORLD Order, meaning you will not be able to escape it.

          • vicki

            Joe Berger says:
            “Obama is bad but Bush was worse.
            Bush allowed the “housing bubble fiasco” by allowing everyone to falsify their mortgage applications with total impunity.”

            You do realize that your assertion is trivially easy to disprove? Why did you bother to make it? Bush might be responsible for many things but the housing bubble fiasco is NOT one of them.
            Here for your enlightenment is the proof.
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMnSp4qEXNM

            Democrats on the other hand….

          • Thinking about

            do you always believe everything you hear on youTube?

          • vicki

            Thinking about doesn’t and says:
            “do you always believe everything you hear on youTube?”

            do you always not think? If you have evidence to the contrary, present it. Otherwise your response is silly and not very useful.

      • Mary

        And Iman Obama continue. They are the same S…..

      • Laura

        Robert, go back a bit farther. If you really want to know the trail to Iraq read “Duped America” by Robert Bernstein. It is eye opening. We as Americans have to be careful not to just repeat what we hear but do the research on the topics.

        • Robert Smith

          Hi Laura,

          Is that the one that shows the trail of deception with the yellow cake and the 10 Downing Street memo?

          Rob

        • http://www.personalliberty.com Patrick Corrigan

          The principal cause of our extremely corrupt government is there is way too much money in politics.
          Mr. Rick Perry’s comment about a part time legislature is a very fine start, Mr. Paul’s idea about our greatest foreign policy risk is our unwilling attitude to control our domestic spending, and Mr. Cain’s idea to fix the tax system are all a fine. start.
          There is so much wasteful spending, we do not need more taxes on anybody, including the rich.

      • Buddy

        No, Smith, George W. Bush and Dick Cheney did not start this insane warfare tradition. They were carrying on a tradition which extended through the “civil war”, WWI and WWII, and up through more recent “adventures”. It’s always been that way!

        • http://www.personalliberty.com Patrick Corrigan

          No matter what small details, or who we put in power, until we let God run the classroom, boardroom, and bedroom, then we are not going to do well again.

      • DaveH

        Robert,
        It started with Abe Lincoln. And proceeded with earnest after the Federal Reserve was created. With the Federal Reserve, the Government has a ready source of funds with which to pursue the Leaders’ self-interested empire building and global engagements at the citizens’ expense.
        You need to study past history, Robert. The Democrats have the record for the most war and military involvements. But obviously the Republicans aren’t shy about being the World’s Policemen.

        • Rene

          Abe Lincoln was the first President to grossly violate the Constitution, and place the US under Martial Law, and we have been there ever since. After we had began to get back on our feet from the War of 1861, along came the Wilson Administration, and undid the one thing that Lincoln did right, and that was to stand against the International Bankers.

        • karel Eekels

          For all well concerned citizens that need the sand cleared out of their eyes, I recommend strongly to read and pay attention to the classical ” On War” where the author Carl von Clausewitz shares his wisdom with willing readers, and understand the meaning of ” War is politics by other means”.

          Carl von Clausewitz reminds us, and does so eloquently, that civilians and ego maniac (with no military background) decision & policy makers leaders (of the body politico) in conflict situations are visionaries with a poorly developed sense of fear and have no concept of the odds against them, causing millions and millions of deaths of competent military strategists, soldiers and civilians.

          This should help out so many mindless commentators on how to frame a question properly! The answers and commentaries are unimportant when the questions are not really valid.

          The finger pointing and blame game of

      • Don

        Robert, you must have forgot about 9/11, or don’t care about 3000 American’s who lost their lives, and if i remember right our troops went to war with the approval of congress, and yes dems voted for it before they voted against it, unlike your president that goes to war with the stroke of his pen, talk about pen, thats where the bastard needs to be !!!

        • Rene

          Don, http://www.ae911truth.org/, if youre not afraid of the truth.

          • dfinch

            You people are as bad as the birthers. It just goes on and on and on. No one will ever know the truth.

          • Brad

            Rene,

            The reality is 3000 people are dead at the hands of islamic extreamists. Damage combined with burning jet fuel with temps ranging over 2000 degrees F. The steel gurters supporting the structure had an approximate melt point of 1200 degrees F. Answer this one simple question, why did each tower collapse towards the aircraft impact points… Once you can answer that question you will come to realise there was no government conspiracy and there were no explosives set off to cause both towers to collapse. Oh by the way, why did the second tower hit collapse first??? Rene answer that question also, inquiring minds want to know.

          • vicki

            Brad. One of the things the demolition “experts” forget is that jet fuel dosn’t burn particularly hot EXCEPT when you add fast moving air. Similar to the way a forge and bellows works the wind that day blowing thru the fire floors undoubtedly heated the interior somewhat hotter than people believe. Add the wood and plastics and other interesting chemicals in the burning areas and it would be quite easy to exceed the softening point of steel.

            If there were a conspiracy in 9/11 it was in getting the terrorists on the planes only. All the physics of the tower burn and collapse is easily explained by simple physics.

            Here is even more info on the simple physics
            http://www.counterpunch.org/2006/11/28/the-physics-of-9-11/

          • Robert Smith

            From Brad: “The reality is 3000 people are dead at the hands of islamic extreamists. ”

            Science can land a man on the moon.

            Religion landed people in a building.

            Rob

          • vicki

            Robert Smith writes (trying to tarnish religion)
            “Religion landed people in a building.”

            Actually it was science and not religion. They did not believe themselves into the building. They used the scientific principles of aerodynamics.

            The science of gravity and thermodynamics brought the buildings to a really bad landing.

        • Robert Smith

          Don says: “and if i remember right our troops went to war with the approval of congress, ”

          You do remember the votes, but those votes were on the basis of LIES from the Bush administration.

          There were no weapons of mass distructon, etc. The intelligence proved that and Bush ignored it and kept beating his war drum.

          Rob

          Rob

          • Jim W

            And nothing was in the truck convoys that went to Sira and southern Russia while we waited for the UN to act. There were no Russian aircraft with French avionics buried in the desert in Iraq either. Do some real research outside of the MSM and get some real facts not just the ones the left want you to pariot.

          • eddie47d

            Come on Jim the right constantly parrots talking points from their handlers too. We can all be naive.

          • Bob Marshall

            if anyone care to remember,bothe the CIA and the FBI stated that there was no proof that Iraq had anything to do with 9/11. Unfortunately 70% of America chose to believe the lies put out by the White House and the corporate controlled news media.

          • Glen Kersten

            I met a military commander who told me that he personally saw the WMDs in Iraq, contrary to the politically correct liars in Congress.
            Get real

          • Joe

            Saddam Hussein had chemical and biological weapons. He used them on his own people. That was an established fact long before we ever went into Iraq.

      • cawmun cents

        And who sent people off to be maimed and killed in Viet Nam?
        Lyndon Baines Johnson.
        Progressive Democrat.
        So what is your point?
        Five times as many people were killed in Viet Nam,as in both of these wars.Yet you still want to blame that on the republicans?
        You sir are a filthy rat,when it comes to pointing the finger at others.But then what else can we expect from a progressive?
        -CC.

        • Robert Smith

          Eisenhour was the first to send in “advisors”.

          Rob

          • independant thinker

            while it is true he sent the first advisors to Viet Nam the ones he sent were just that advisors that trained the South Viet Nam military. Kennedy sent in more advisors and a few troups to guard the advisors bases then Johenson sent in the massive amounts of troups to fight the war instead of just advising and training the South Viet Nam solders.

          • ValDM

            Once again, Smith, you don’t have it right. Truman sent “advisors” to Korea. Then, Eisenhower to Nam. Kennedy sent more troops, then LBJ REALLY escalated troop involvement. Somehow or another you’ve even forgotten Bosnia. Learn some history, for Pete’s sake & stop trying to sound like you know something.

          • Mark in LA

            You say potaato, I say potahto. You say troops, I say advisors. You say trainers, I say special forces. You are an idiot if you think changing the names means anything. They were troops and sending them there is an act of war.

        • eddie47d

          Were cawmun cents and independent thinker out in the streets protesting the Vietnam War and trying to put an end to that insanity? Is all this blather hindsight because nothing has changed has it? I served in Vietnam right out of High School because of Patriotism and felt it was the right thing to do. Not knowing the real facts behind who started that war and for the wrong reasons gave me a wake up call that I have been protesting to this day. Every new war that is started I cringe and know the American people will be as duped as I was and go along with these actions. Presidents Johnson and Nixon were skunks who were also duped by their handlers. (Secretary of Defense.etc)President have the fear of NOT going to war and are easily manipulated by those around them. That was true with Reagan,Clinton,G Bush and even Obama. They all feel their political careers will be damaged if they don’t find an enemy to pursue. It’s that wars = patriotism thing we all get caught up in and we keep getting fooled again and again.

          • mickey

            Try Kissinger and I’ll agree. He, besides a nasty person, envied the President’s slot. He has always thought it was wrong to limit the position to native born.

            At the time, I thought he was just a great patriot, have I learned more!!

      • cawmun cents

        What you have here is the fact that Robert Smiths tost has to be buttered on both sides.
        He is one of those happy,fuzzy,emotional liberals who defends the cause.
        But his slip is showing.
        Later in this very post,Mr. Smith(paraphrasing)states that he believes we should fight wars to win.
        Republicans who are connected to massive corporations are heartless warmongering profiteers.
        Yet what has kept us in Iraq,and Afghanistan,is the part where we do the nation building.Something which is tacked on to the price of using the war machine of the USA.A price I might add that doesnt add up to heartless murdering corporations.
        It does however,add up and point to,progressive political correctiveness.
        Heartless corporations do not build nations or try to provide Democracy.That is the Democratic party which does these things,right?
        They are the nice people who defend others rights,right?
        The math here just doesnt add up.

        Heartless warmongering corporate profiteers,and progressive politically correct nation builders,sharing a common goal?Hmmmmm….
        Seems as if there is something wrong with your reasoning Mr. Smith.
        That sum just doesnt add up.
        But what do I know?
        Apparently very little…..
        -CC.

        • Rene

          The whole point of the wars is for more than just profit, true the Banks and Military Indudtrial Complex benefits from the wars, but the International Banking Families have a plan for a One World Order, with them in control, every major war has been orchastrated towards that end. The Muslim Nations do not allow Usery in their countries, so they do not allow the International Reserve Banks in their countries. The Globalists cannot control the world until they control the currency,their goal is to create an International Banking System, and an International Currency, and then they can control everything. I believe it was Amshel Mayer Rothschild who said “I care not who makes the Laws, but give me control of the Nations Money, and I will Control the Nation”, this may not be the exact wording but it was the exact meaning.

        • eddie47d

          Cawmun cents seem to be defending the left/right paradigm and is taking the side of the Republicans instead of focusing on evils of both parties. Now if you can’t see the forest through the trees then it is time to get out of the way on this war issue. It’s both the Democrats and Republicans who nurture and start wars. It’s the Republicans and Democrats that involve us in nation building. It’s the Democrats and Republicans who have thousands of our young men killed or wounded. It’s the Democrats and Republicans who have our military personel running around with prosthesis on. Nothing Robert said was wrong and maybe he is one sided also but almost everything you said was misplaced propaganda. Some day you might add up the deceit in Washington and come up with the correct answer that Republicans + Democrats equal Zero when it comes to warmongering. They are of the same cloth in jeopardizing our security.

          • Brad

            Eddie,

            Why aren’t you calling for the removal of all RINO’s and long term DINO’s so we can bring in some new blood and get this country back to where it belongs instead of heading down the tubes to third world status.

          • eddie47d

            That could be a big plus!

          • cawmun cents

            What I was saying eddie47d,is that the math which Smith claims usage of in this case doesnt add up.You cant have it both ways and get the same out come.I am not the one doing the left right paradigm here.
            If we are in a foreign war for that long against that inferior of a force,then there is politics behind it.
            The kind of politics which stem from the middle of the tree,instead of the left and right branches.
            That is all I was stating.
            Just so you know,I am anti-war,and anti-democracy building too.
            What folks choos to let subjugate them is up to them,Hell I live here in America too dont I?
            But if my dad was president and left a mess in some other place,and I became president,I would attempt to fix that mess,wouldnt you?
            It only seems like the right thing to do.Even if everyone hated me for trying to clean up my dads mess I would still try.Not just because it is my familys name which is at stake,but because it would be the right thing to do.Iraq.
            You think it is somenes idea of how to get rich.
            I think it was someones idea of how to clean up a mess
            Either way I am not saying that it was right,just that it makes sense.
            Afghanistan is much the same,but for different reasons.
            If it wasnt a mess over there,then things wouldnt need tidying up.
            You call it profiteering,I call it taking out some trash I left while I was camping.
            But what do II know?
            Apparently very little……..
            -CC.

      • JeffH

        Rob, c’mon, you can do better than that can’t you?

        WRONG – GW Bush? These perpetual wars started long before any of the Bush’s were in office. Did you even bother to read Ringer’s commentary?

        Maybe this might help you to see this a little more clearly…
        http://mises.org/rothbard/rothbardorwell.asp

        • http://personalliberty larry kemp

          bush new all aqbout the planes crashing into the towers before it was even broadcast. when he was in florida that day a child asked him about it and he said he saw it on tv before it was even broadcasted. he’s as guilty as the rest of those cummie bastards in washington.

          • JeffH

            larry, not sure what the point of your comment was in relation to my comment to Rob?

          • JeffH

            FYI – if you think I’m defending Bush you’re wrong. :)

      • grossyi

        Don’t stop there, you’re only telling part of the story. What of a Congress that agreed to pay for it, what about an electorate that sat on their collective hands? Yes you can blame Bush, but avoid looking in the mirror, it’s justas much your fault.

      • Erik

        Hey Robert Smith, You forgot to mention your idol obumer! How many lives has he destroyed,and will destroy in the future? You’re a typical limosine liberal Phoney!

      • Bert Cundle Sr.

        The Political Bush Family headed by Laura… Are connected to a vicious demon! to be obviously in control of the World & Hevens! Since Government is Started with Prayer now… And who knows how much sooner!

    • hipshotpercusion

      I just heard an excellent idea. Everybody go down to your local military reqruiter and get some business cards. Then, when these Chicken Hawks start talking about US going over there and getting whoever, give them a card and tell them….”have at it.

      • Pepper

        My thoughts exactly! Michelle Baucmann, and the rest of the GOP and DEM warmongers need to lead by example by heading to the front line of the next war. Ron Paul stands alone, but stands above and if he is a “nut” I am too!

        • Rene

          Ron Paul is the only True Constitutionalist in the running. Gary Johnson I believe would make a good vice-President.

          • Moses

            I think Donald Trump would make an excellent Vice-President.

          • eddie47d

            Ron Paul is the only one with common cents when it comes to National Security. What is Trump’s position on foreign intervention?

    • Neil

      How true. That’s the very reason we don’t have a draft in effect right now. The politicians don’t want their own kids on the front lines.

      • DaveH

        I’m not sure that most of those sociopaths would even care about their own children.

    • Joe Brooks

      A very knowledgeable voice from the past; General Butler:

      “WAR is a racket. It always has been.

      It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.”

      The entire book, very short and I am not saying I agree with the General completely.
      http://www.lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm

      • Mike W.

        I read the book, too. I agree with General Butler’s premise. Wars are started by men who have nothing to lose and everything to gain and fought by men who in turn have nothing to gain but everything to lose.
        That everything is their only natural life.
        It’s a shame that we humans have to live with this dilema. Peace is a much more viable alternative. And cheaper, too.

    • http://www.personalliberty.com/conservative-politics/government/a-better-idea-for-national-defense/?eiid&replytocom=687705#respond William L Collins

      you said it all and its the truth if everybody in congress & senate and there kid boys & girls where put on the front lines there courdly ass would be talking and the right thing now george bush was nouthing but a cowareds a long with chainy and all the rest w,dc. all but RON PAUL he says the same thing as you say and beleve as i do and any vet thats been there and done that and i’ll say this if they come at us again take them out take there country may it ours not theres they abide buy our laws not theres and I’ll vote for RON PAUL and senator congress man or women that back him no matter witch side the aile he or shes on repub or dem lib but we do need to get this Obama,Bush, Clinton,Peloie,Reaid,Boehner addminastration out of office and take our country back from greedy money hungry cowards so vote RON PAUL to start it

    • Tom SC

      Our leadership at the congretional level respond to the UN on maters of forign WARs.In 1953 Gen. McArthur was fired by Truman because he failed to comply with the rules set down by that bunch of spies. He was required to submit a battle plan to the UN before making an offensive move and the North Korean Chinese were always waiting for him. When he deliberately chased them back into Manchuria and was on the verg of victory the UN called foul because he didn’t notify them of his intent. Get us out of the UN and the UN out of the US!!!

      • Mark in LA

        MacArther was an idiot and an egotistical jack-ass who didn’t like the fact that the Pacific theater was primarily a naval battle and he didn’t figure much in it’s outcome. He was never on the verge of “victory” because Mao didn’t give a damn about how many Chinese soldiers he sent off to die. However, MacArther crossing the Yalu River when warned by the Chinese led to many American deaths for no other reason than his “glory”.

        • Joe

          Damn straight. MacArthur was fired for violating orders. He was told not to antagonize the Chinese by getting too close to the border but he did it anyway because he WANTED to fight the Chinese and the Chinese pushed back hard. We had Korea won before the Chinese push and Korea would be united today and we wouldn’t have the likes of the Jong Il family running the North if it hadn’t been for him.

    • Bill

      Robert, I am sure by now you realize that Ron Paul has been right all along. However I have my doubts that you would vote for him. I would bet you are somewhat like that young fellow that came to our farm when we were killing a few chickens for dinner. He asked if he would be allowed to kill one chicken. My dad said OK. He put the chickens head between the two nails that were on a 2X4, and raised the hatchet. He held that position a long time with his hand raised but could not bring himself to lower his hand swiftly and take the chickens head off. We have so many that talk the talk but will not walk the walk. Your words are that…words, they are meaningless. Show me that you can support the only candidate with the Rebubs. and Demos. that will be willing to use the hatchet to chop this government into tiny constitutional pieces. Starting with the head of the government and then eviscerating the whole chicken so that the American Constitution, and its people will be free to enjoy their constitutional freedom. I support Ron because I think he is the only one there that will swing the hatchet and start to free the people.(start by eliminating 5 departments that are not constitutional, followed by One trillion, ($1,000,000,000,000,000.00) elimination cuts, not projections, from the budget) I think most people know what they want to do but like that city fellow that came out to the farm, he didn’t have the guts to do what he knew had to be done. We were able to eat dinner that day because someone was willing to do what was necessary.

      • Robert Smith

        From Bill: “he didn’t have the guts to do what he knew had to be done…”

        Hi Bill,

        Although I’m not Jewish I did learn a few things along the way. One is at: http://www.ehow.com/how_2089365_slaughter-cow-according-jewish-law.html

        Some of us understand that animals are for human consumption.

        Venison is really great. Low fat, and inexpensive if you have a gun around already.

        Rob

      • Robert Smith

        From Bill: “Robert, I am sure by now you realize that Ron Paul has been right all along”

        No, Ron Paul is not right about a lot of things.

        As a doctor he should know that most folks having a late term abortion WANTED to have a kid and that it was medical circumstances that precipitated an abortion.

        It is clear he is willing to cater to the extreme right wing for votes rather than deal with the truth, of which he is clearly informed of as an MD.

        Rob

    • hitthedeck

      Politicians loose wars that our armies can win. It is so stupid to act humane in war to look politically correct to the world while our men and women are being killed and maimed by playing fare on the battlefields against an enemy who shows no mercy. America is the only country that never uses the word conquers when fighting a war. We are the only country who rebuilds the country we destroy at our expense and our sacrifice of human life. Our enemy is rewarded and when we replenish their strength and leave their country they burn our flags in the streets of their cities. We leave Iraq with billions of dollars in improvements of their understructure and billions of dollars in military equipment. Where is the payback and where is the discount on a barrow of oil? We have fools in Washington and we are fools for letting them make foreign policy.

  • Robert Smith

    Fact: “But, along the way, $1 trillion got transferred from the pockets of taxpayers into the coffers of the military-industrial complex.”

    Eisenhaur warned us of exactly that.

    And then came the no bid contracts from Chaney and Halleburten.

    Rob

    • http://naver Samurai

      Cheney, baaaaa! Haliburton, baaaaa! Money for wars, baaaaa! Chaaaaange! Can’t you losers come up with some new material? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Tim L.

        Apparently you have no problem with the fact that Cheney and his favorite charity (Haliburton) Raped this country and profited from the deaths of thousands of our troops. I know, it’s all Obama’s fault.

        • Mary

          They all should be hang for treason.

        • Jim W

          Actually we are paying Carter’s foolishness in blood. That is how these things usually work out. Unfortunately we will end up paying for the current Marxist in blood later also.

          • Tim L.

            I guess you are relieving Bush/Cheney of any responsibility for the current mess.

        • eddie47d

          You can do better than that Professor Samurai. You made yourself look foolish.

      • Robert Smith

        Samurai asks: “Can’t you losers come up with some new material”

        Why? The truth is that Chaney and his cronies raped America with their no bid contracts.

        Others have also gone around the rules as in Ollie North and his antics.

        It’s tough to run a country when rules are just for Democrats.

        Rob

        • speedle

          Ah, I love this country and its free speech. It gives us opportunity to laugh at morons who love to opine regardless of knowledge of what they speak. Wouldn’t it be boring if that weren’t the case?

          Robert, do a bit of research about Cheney and Halliburton. When Cheney was V.P. and had influence over military decisions he had zero financial interest in Halliburton. Neither did Bush. So stop making an ass of yourself with the Cheney/Halliburton/military industrial complex mantra. You sound like a continuous loop recording that no one is listening to.

          • Rene

            speedle, you had better do a little deeper research and check your fact again, Cheney did not give up his stock in haliburtin, nor KBR.

          • eddie47d

            Wouldn’t Cheney show favoritism to Haliburton whether in office or out of office? Seems to be crony capitalism at it’s finest.

          • Brad

            It seems as if Rene and Eddie don’t understand the world of US government contracts, you see the gov posts an RFP to all interested company’s wanting to do business with it. In the case of Haliburton which owned KBR they won the new Army support contract in 2001 since no other company bid on the contract. Normally US contracts are valid for a period of 5 to 10 year’s depending on the contract. When the US went to war in 2003 KBR followed the US Army as it was contracted to do, hence the lefts belief Haliburton/KBR had a no bid contract which on the contrary they had a valid contract in place. There is very small organization that audits all government contracts it is known as DCAA, DCAA audits every single contract the US gov has and they are very efficient at what they do. DCAA is non partisan and after auditing KBR DCAA with held 289 mil in payments and fined KBR another 111 mil for bogus charges not within their contract. Rene and Eddie did you two know that Haliburton sold KBR back in 2006, want to know why, Haliburton wasn’t making any money off of KBR through government contracts.

          • speedle

            Rene, it is you that needs to do the research. Cheney only had “stock options” (if you even know what that means) in Halliburton of which he and his wife assigned ownership to charity before he took office. Get up with the facts before you comment.

            Brad, apparently government contracts are the tip of the iceberg of what Rene and Eddie don’t understand.

          • eddie47d

            I brought up the Haliburton shenanigans months ago and their part in the Bank of Kabul. Where $900 million went missing. They inflated everything they touched and milked the government on several projects. So lay off of the eddie doesn’t understand baloney.

        • kemp

          And the Democrats follow the rules????????
          WHEN?????????????

      • http://www.personalliberty.com/conservative-politics/government/a-better-idea-for-national-defense/?eiid&replytocom=687705#respond William L Collins

        Samurai you need to go to any vet hospital and vet med centers and take a good look at the vets in wheel chairs no arms and legs do to BUSH,CHAINY,OBAMA,HILLARY,and the elite wars just for capatal gain of every body elsa boys & girls but not one dam one of theres or them or at there there expeince and then when they get back you and the government don’t think that you should even help or pay for his damage he has to fight the elite government agentcy to get compersation for his or her duty and lose and live off a fixed in come the rest there life but you let any elite government get a tack stuck in his you no where for setting on it they will get full retirement all benefits at full pay no expeance spared and its S.O.B.s like you and the veterans addministration that treat 99% of the vets like dirt under there feet when we file a clame then prorate you for years make a morjority pay com pay for med now we can thank gorge bush,kerry,department of defience for that only the elite get full benifits full pay the vet or veterans get prorated to one fifth to one fourth pay of what they could make in privet work and you wounder why so many vet are home less SO I’LL VOTE FOR RON PAUL the rest of S.O.B.s just like you are whorth wasting vote time or money on

        • El Gringo

          William, with all due respect, please try using your spell checker.

        • Ainglush Teechur

          Willyum. pleass lurn tew spaiol and punkshewate. Ist dyfikolt to unnerstanb yew or tayke yew sereeisilly

    • DaveH

      Robert,
      When you can’t even take the time to spell their names right (Cheney and Halliburton) it kinda weakens your credibility.

      • libertytrain

        I don’t think he has any credibility. He spouts off viciously about others and then has nothing but attacks for folks because they don’t agree with his attempts at shock and awe… You’re an atheist and yet you don’t condemn anyone on here that believes in a God – I think that shows an actual intellect rather than those that try and take our freedoms by their own failure to understand what freedom is.

        • JeffH

          Hear Hear!

      • Rene

        DaveH, one’s ability/inabillity to spell correctly, doesn’t dicredit their knowledge, only when they are proven to make false statements is their credability threatened, and as you have seen, the ones that are making statements based only upon heresay, without doing their research, can frequently discredit themselves. Lets all do our research, and report only what we know is documented, and we can begin to build our defense against tyranny.

        • DaveH

          If somebody is accusing political figures of wrongdoing, Rene, and they can’t spell either name correctly, it sure does lead one to believe that they really haven’t done much research on their targets.

          • smilee

            Davie

            Are you trying to convince us your to dumb to know whom he was talking about, even I think your smarter than that

    • Rene

      If any of you would like to know American Banking History, and how these wars were perpetrated by the International bankers, how the Bankers gained control of our government and so on, get the book by G. Edward Griffin, The Creature from Jekyll Island. It is fully documented through out, and a real eyeopener, and will turn lights on every subject being discussed here.

      • Sirian

        Rene, yes, that is a very good book that I too wish everyone would read. OK, here’s one for you to pull up on line and read. “The Coming Battle” by M.W. Walbert, copyright 1899. This one will also give you a very clear view as to how long the bankers have been manipulating our financial and Congressional foundations. Again, you will find it most interesting especially since it is from a more distant time frame which in turn brings much more into light.

    • Rene

      After Eisenhower, came warnings from John F Kennedy, just months before he was assinated, then Martin Luther King, just before his assination, then Robert Kennedy, then Ronald Reagan, before he was nearly assinated, and so on. It seems that everyone that is able to make it into a position where he is listened to, and starts telling the truth, is assinated or threatened to the extent that he shuts up.
      I have been worring about Ron Paul for quiet some time, because more and more people are beginning to turn to him.

      • Joe Brooks

        Agreed, I am concerned about Paul and Roemer.

  • Robert Smith

    From the article: “tired of seeing American taxpayers forced to hand over their money to politicians so they can pursue never-ending overseas military adventures.”

    George Orwell warned us of that one.

    Rob

    • Insurgent

      Robert, were all of your special education classes difficult for you?

      • Robert Smith

        Hey Insurgent, thanks for the fine example fron the right wing of attacking the poster rather than contributing anything that relates to the issue.

        Why do you think you are as exempt as Chaney when you break the rules? Is that a right wing trait?

        The rule: “Please don’t stoop to name calling.”

        Guess it doesn’t apply to the right wing.

        Rob

        • DaveH

          While indeed you have a valid point about the name-calling, Robert, the left-wingers who comment on this site are far more prolific with the name-calling and personal attacks.

          • Robert Smith

            Hey Dave, you posted: “the left-wingers who comment on this site are far more prolific with the name-calling and personal attacks.”

            Really? Can you prove such an outlandish statement? Have you counted posts from the left and right, or are you simply making another empty claim.

            Remember, it was the right who invented “swift boating” and other smear tactics over substance.

            Rob

          • DaveH

            That’s been my experienced observation, Robert. Can you prove it isn’t true?
            It’s certainly no more outlandish than your unsupported accusation — “Why do you think you are as exempt as Chaney when you break the rules? Is that a right wing trait?”

        • cawmun cents

          Five times as many deaths can be directly attributed to Kennedy’s vice presidential running mate.
          I will add again,a progressive Democrat.
          Where is your voice now?
          I challenge you to refute what I am saying.
          Who profitted from those deaths?
          Or does five times as many not matter?
          -CC.

          • Rene

            cawmum, it both sides of the two headed snake called the Two Party System, they are both owned by the same people.

          • cawmun cents

            Just so you know Rene,I am well aware of the factoid which you posted.
            I have this Brand A is Brand A,and Brand B is Brand A,thing whch I have stated since I came to this blog.
            But there are those who try to make a point as if it is otherwise.
            Mr. Smith is one of those individuals.
            He is the consumate hypocrite.
            One that has emotional stakes in the whole affair.
            Thus his reasoning is often flawed by hysterical rants concerning Christendom.
            He fails to understand the content of the conditions,or does not care for the conditions and therefore,creates his own.
            He is a product of the education system which is brutally flawed by revisionist rhetoric.
            But such is the case with many nowdays.
            -CC.

          • eddie47d

            Yet cawmun cents you keep bringing up the attacks against A or B and then refuse to link them together. I could say that Clinton had zero casualties in the Bosnian conflict and Obama had zero American casualties in Libya. Neither fact necessarily justified those incursions anymore than with casualties in Vietnam/Johnson or G. Bush/Iraq. I believe this article is trying to point out the foolishness of both parties yet we keep playing whack a mole in defense of “our side”

        • Insurgent

          There was not any name calling——————–just wondered how hard your classes were for you.

          • Robert Smith

            Actually college classes were very easy except for chemestry that I took as an elective just because I was curious about it.

            Rob

          • Robert Smith

            And the teacher was incredibly hot.

            Rob

      • Rene

        Insurgent, Robert is correct in his statement, don’t dismiss anything until you thoroughly research it!

    • http://naver Samurai

      Actually, they are more tired of having to pay 6 months worth of taxes for the nanny state we have now. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • s c

      While you were learning how to imitate a dumbed-down parrot, they should have told you that if you also climb up into a tree to act like a feces-throwing chimp, the only one you’ll ever impress is yourself.
      WHY are you the only one who’s fond of that stench you put out? You’re a legend in your own mind. Only someone like you could worship your false White House god, comrade.

      • Robert Smith

        Another shining example of right wing “discussion.”

        Thanks for making my point for me s c.

        Rob

        • Airdale150

          Robert it is easy to see you have a major problem. It is so simple to know that both parties are there to take over the country and the people. You need to get with the people not the gov. N.W.O.

          • Robert Smith

            Hey Aridale, how the heck are you? The flying Navy is part of the backbone of America’s defense.

            Now, when you have a point that isn’t an attack I’ll pay attention.

            Rob

      • eddie47d

        SC throws out nonsensical stench every single day without relevant information that anyone an learn from. She provides an extra helping of bitterness with lousy reasoning.

    • Sirian

      Robert S.,
      Side trivia for you – George Orwell was a Fabian Socialist, look it up.

      • Rene

        It doesen’t matter what George Orwell was, what is important is that being an insider himself, he had a glimpse of what the Elitists have planned for society, and passed it on to us in his book; 1984. The only thing he missed was the timming, and the advance in technology beyond their immagination. If you would like to learn what is planned for us, get the book; “Traggety and Hope by Professor Carroll Quiggly”, who was also an insider that had special privaledges into their plans.

      • Joe Brooks

        I am nearly 60 and have read nearly everything Blair wrote, including many of his essays. That he was a mass murdering Fabian Commie is news to me and everyone else in the world:

        “Orwell was never a member of the Fabian Society (led by Sidney and Beatrice Webb with adherents like George Bernard Shaw) which he said was comprised of blow-hard intellectuals pretending to be Socialists when deep down they were Communists lusting for power and control.

        Here’s an excerpt from the book THE ROAD TO WIGAN PIER which Orwell wrote in 1937 and which the so-called “Socialists” and Communists tried to have suppressed from publication:”

        http://www.orwelltoday.com/readerfabianorwell.shtml

      • Robert Smith

        Hi Sirian… I did look it up, here is what I found: “Orwell was never a member of the Fabian Society (led by Sidney and Beatrice Webb with adherents like George Bernard Shaw) which he said was comprised of blow-hard intellectuals pretending to be Socialists when deep down they were Communists lusting for power and control.”

        It’s from: http://www.orwelltoday.com/readerfabianorwell.shtml

        I never heard of the Fabian Society before. More information can be found at: http://www.fabians.org.uk/about-the-fabian-society

        Rob

        • Robert Smith

          Why is this post treated differently? It is clearly an answer to a direct question.

          Rob

          • libertytrain

            rob as I mentioned before as did several of us and Mr. Livingston on at least a dozen occasions – if you have foul words OR more than one link, the AUTOMATIC filter tosses it to some area for approval – where it can wait till a human can check it out… that’s probably what happened.

    • JeffH

      …and yet you still prefer to blame only Bush and Cheney?

      • eddie47d

        Bush and Cheney are a part of the equation in everything that is going on in and in every discussion. No different than Obama has to be a part of each and every discussion. One side created the mess and the other side is continuing it.

        • JeffH

          You got all the talking points down now if you could just understand what they mean…constant contradictions…

          • Robert Smith

            Hi JeffH,

            I’m curious… Are you denying the Bush / Chaney efforts?

            Rob

          • JeffH

            Rob, I’mm curious as to why you would ask?

    • w h richardson

      Robert you are correct, to all the war mongers, go get em, we have an all volunteer army, does that give you an insite into the minds of the younger generation. My grandson volunteered, as did my son, personally it is a shame that all our young folks want to do is go into the military, go figure

      • Robert Smith

        Wow… I’m saddened that you consider a career in the military anything less than an honerable path to follow.

        I don’t blame most of the military for the bogus missions they are sento on by politicians.

        Rob

  • Insurgent

    War bolsters the American economy and no one every truly “wins”. Today, when the US leaves a Middle East country, the fighting and turmoil continues; these animals do not know peace.

    • DaveH

      Correction, war bolsters certain special interests in the American economy. The rest of us pay the bill.
      The idea that war bolsters general economies flies in the face of reason and experience. It is purely a myth promoted by those who profit from wars at the taxpayers’ expense. Wasting our natural resources and productive capacity on wars is not a good thing for the country.
      I realize that probably the majority of people have been Propagandized to believe that WWII brought us out of the Depression, but that simply was not true. In the early stages of WWII, our weapons industries benefited by selling arms to Europe, but once we got involved with our own equipment and expenditures that was changed. We did not come out of the Depression until the War was over and Government Spending was cut back dramatically:
      http://mises.org/daily/5069

      • Rene

        DaveH, you are 100% correct, it was the men and women coming home from war, and the lack of peace time production that left us without a lot of necessities of everyday life, that the post war production gave that restored our economy. The Elitists did not have to do without anything during the depression, or during the rationing years of the war, it was the Middle Class and the poor that sacrificed as usual during those times, and our economy was restored, and America became great during peacetime. Anyone that doubts this should research the Rationing of the 1940s, I remember as a child that after the war was over my parents gave the food stamps to me and my brother to play with. You could only buy a limited amount of anything during those years, and we thought it was this way with everyone, but after growing up, I found out that the very rich sacrificed nothing, but made profits.

        • eddie47d

          Spot on Rene with both of your comments.

    • Rene

      War bolsters the American economy in a negative way, it gives a false impression of well being for all except those that die, and those that loose loved ones in these wars. The true benefactors of wars are the International Banks who get it started, and finance both sides, and their partners, the Military Industrial Complex. We could have a steady growth economy by staying out of the wars, manufacturing peacetime goods, and providing peacetime services, trading with other countries with balanced trade, and doing away with all unconstitutional taxes. We could have better products, just as we had before all of our plants moved out of the country, and everyone could have a job, making decent money.

      • Sirian

        Rene, please, the gun runners and the arms dealers (we know who that is) wouldn’t like that type of scenario at all, now would they. . . :)

      • eddie47d

        The thing is Sirian I been warning folks about the gun runners for decades and it only gets worse. Whether it’s the government selling to other nations or immoral gun dealers in the USA or even from the old Russian Empire.

        • Sirian

          eddie47,
          Here’s the problem, anyone with a lick of sense should’ve realized the scale of the arms dealership gambit that has existed for a very, very long time. Nation to nation, business to business, banks to nations, so on and so on and so on. A plethora of different setups that are in day to day usage via one form or another. People most generally don’t even think of this area even though in reality it is of very intense concern. What Rene said is true but again, jokingly intended or otherwise, the primary arms dealers wouldn’t allow any correction to their monopoly under any circumstance. Remember, there are to many arms wizards behind the scenes that no one is ever allowed to see.

      • Joe Brooks

        “We could have a steady growth economy by staying out of the wars, manufacturing peacetime goods, and providing peacetime services, trading with other countries with balanced trade, and doing away with all unconstitutional taxes. We could have better products, just as we had before all of our plants moved out of the country, and everyone could have a job, making decent money.”

        Amen, Rene

        I know of a good temporary job, if you are interested. Some foreign lobbyist with BO as his initials is squandering more of the Founder’s legacy and our grandchildren’s prosperity in this position, right now.

  • Robert Smith

    Declared: “And, yes, we use nukes if that’s what it takes to make you behave.”

    We faught a nuclear war and WON. Japan is now a friend.

    That’s some history that we can repeat.

    Rob

    • http://naver Samurai

      Why are you such a hypocrate? You talk about going off to wars and saying we shouldn’t, but then you turn around and advocate using nukes on someone. I see we received your yearly lumps of coal fom Santa this year again. Neeeeed to be making that popping sound. I do agree about bringing our troops home and stationing them on our southern boarder. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Robert Smith

        samurai thinks: “You talk about going off to wars and saying we shouldn’t, but then you turn around and advocate using nukes on someone.”

        Yup. When we go to war we should go to win without any doubts.

        Those who speak violence against America should expect the same from us only LOUDER. It’s the bigger bang theory of war IF we go to war.

        These current money pits that Chaney and his buddy dug aren’t war. They have been a misappropriation of our valuable resources for their own political gain catering to the extreme right.

        Rob

        • DaveH

          So you don’t care a lick about the mainstream citizens who had nothing at all to do with their Leaders’ trespasses? How come that doesn’t surprise me?

          • Robert Smith

            Hi Dave,

            I do care about colleratal damage, but if they don’t have the moxi to toss out bad leaders…

            Besides, THEY attacked our civilians in the Trade Towers.

            Rob

          • DaveH

            You’re mixing apples and oranges, Robert. The “They” who attacked the towers are not the same “They” who are innocent victims of collateral damage. When we advocate killing indiscriminately, we are no better than the creeps who killed the passengers and occupants of the Trade Center.

          • eddie47d

            Nuking any country is beyond serious and even a last resort scenario shouldn’t be attempted. Instead of just going after Robert how about taking on the numerous “conservatives” who have advocated using nukes. That would give your voice more credibility.

          • DaveH

            Why don’t you become less of a Troll, Eddie?

          • JeffH

            DaveH, one thing is for certain…hypocrit eddie goes after anyone that he disagrees with even if he doesn’t have a clue without a shred of cited evidence…like Forrest Gump said and it’s kind of like eddie’s thought process…

            Life is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you’re going to get… :)

          • eddie47d

            I wasn’t against what you said Dave only the lack of comprehension that both sides are doing the same thing which you do ignore on occasion. These wars won’t end if it’s only a one sided issue (Democrat vs Republican or Liberal vs Conservative). I probably agree with you on the causes and destructiveness of wars 100% or at least close to it. So lay off the troll talk on this subject.

          • DaveH

            Eddie,
            It’s none of your business who I comment to. I realize that it strains your Union mentality not to be able to dictate my actions.
            Name-calling is indeed a poor substitute for presenting the facts, but in this case, Eddie, the fact is that you’re a useless Troll.

          • eddie47d

            Even when I side with you Dave you become bitter and disjointed. You aren’t even worth the trouble.

        • Airdale150

          Im going to be polite Robert. You are silley.
          Why has Obama not allowed any oil and other recource drilling in the U.S. We have to buy most of our rescoures from our enemies. Also other Presidents have done the same. Its not the party. Its their agenda.

          • eddie47d

            There is plenty of drilling going on in the USA but I have brought that up several times so we’ll leave that for another day.

          • smilee

            He has allowed over 200 offshore permits, so that is just not true
            and of course there is ND

        • Rene

          Robert, America started down the wrong path back when Teddy Roosevelt was President, and along came Woodrow Wilson and his Socialist/Communist/Fascist Administration and their Handlers and it has snowballed ever since.

          • Sirian

            Well said Rene, well said. The Progressives (Socialist/Communist) work slowly but surely – very surely.

  • former walmart person

    War is the biggest racket indeed. I see you failed to mention what I beleive is one of the most horrible and completely idiotic of all wars… World War 1. World war 1 was so stupid and so obviosly fought just for the benefit of the elite, that a Christmas truce came out of it between the British, Germans, and French. After the Christmas truce of 1914, the furious elites had to bring in fresh troops to keep fighting. Not only was world war 1 retarded to the extreme, but it has to be one of the worst wars ever. To charge from one stupid rot infested trench to another, you had to brave machine gun fire, gas, flamethrowers, artillerly, etc. Such that you pretty much had a 50% chance of dying when advancing from one trench to the other. Thankfully, the tank was invented wich ended trench warfare. I tell you, I would take my chances telling the elites to go screw themselves and fight their own damn war before going to trench warfare. I can’t think of anything worse than sitting in a trench for hours and getting trench foot, only to have a gas cannister fly into your trench and cause you to throw on your mask in a panic. Screw that. I would rather be executed or thrown in jail than go through crap.

    • DaveH

      Some day the majority of citizens will wake to the fact that the Leaders are using them as cannon-fodder for the Leaders’ personal goals which have little or nothing to do with Freedom.

    • eddie47d

      Totally agree “walmart”. WWI was living proof that the Elites rule the world. How could one man be assassinated and then millions have to die because of his death. That whole war was obscene as most are.

  • DP

    We have all heard the speach by President Eisenhower referencing the military industrial complex, but have you ever heard the whole speech? Try and find the entire speech, because the rest of the speech is very telling.

  • Linda

    Your right, the defense industry is huge, but we have to give our servicemen the tools they need to do their job safely and effectively (when they’re allowed to). I’m a USMC veteran and, like you, believe in a strong National defense, but I’ve always said from the beginning – glass beach the region, get rid of the problem (however, carpet bombing with conventional bombs would be cheaper, just as effective and no risidual radiation – and it would give the USAF something to do other than flying Michele to her next multi million vacation ;).
    I just found out that a school in Baltimore is teaching arabic studies to familitarize students with Arab culture. I doubt they are teaching them about the rampant human slavery that takes place in Saudi Arabia today or that Al Queda is an Arab based group. It’s so nice to know how we support regimes that support slavery and terror and try to safeguard them. Where are you Al Sharpton!?
    I also am waiting for the veterans to come out and speak up against the atrocities they saw being committed in Afganistan by Taliban, Alqueda and ‘terror group of the week’ against people who want to be free of tyranny and fear.
    I don’t know what the military is afraid of, they should be arresting these charlatans in office and put them on trial. They may not win, but at least some eyes and minds will be opened.

    • TN guy

      I wish schools would teach more of Arab history. Before Islam took over the Arab society was the pinnicle of knowledge, gathering scholars and collecting knowledge from every civilization on the planet. Our number system is still (wrongly) called Arabic numerals.

      Once Islam took over, the Imams realized that ignorant people were easier to control so they limited knowlegde for the masses and sharia law would still like them to be in the 12th century.

      The lesson to be learned is the value of the separation of church and state.

      • James

        When Christ returns, the church will be the state.

        • Robert Smith

          NO! I will NOT allow the American christian Taliban to take over. It would be just as evil as an muslum Talitan.

          Rob

          • James

            When Christ returns, every eye on earth will see His armada coming and many will flee into the hills to escape His wrath. Jesus Christ was, and is, incarnate God.

      • Mark in LA

        Not really true – after the Arab empire settled down it became the beacon of the world with Islam. In fact I saw a documentary where it claimed the Visigoths were in such a state of rot that they practically invited the Muslims in to restore order. Spain had a Muslim (Moors) presence till 1492 and Cordoba (I believe) was the center of learning in Europe in the 11th century and where European scholars flocked to and regained the knowledge lost in the Dark Ages prior to the Renaissance.

    • DaveH

      This is the fate of one American Hero, Linda, who had awakened to reality:
      http://www.prisonplanet.com/new-big-screen-documentary-exposes-pat-tillman-cover-up.html

    • bryant

      The armed forces are made up of people that don’t question why when things don’t add up, if you are that type of person,your application will be refused.I was in college classes when i was in 9th grade, in perfect physical health and my application was refused when i applied for the army, they told me to try the air force, i tried the air force,they told me i was not what they were looking for.

      • Sirian

        bryant,
        Uh, sorry, you have to be at least 18 or your Mom & Dad have to sign the paperwork needed for you to join either branch you mentioned. Unless I misunderstood what you wrote, “I was in college classes when i was in 9th grade, in perfect physical health and my application was refused when i applied for the army, they told me to try the air force, i tried the air force,they told me i was not what they were looking for.” It’s great that you were in college classes when you were in 9th grade but again, sorry kid, you have to be at a certain age before any branch of the military will even consider accepting you.

  • Gary

    I think that everyone should read the book, “The Rise of the Fourth Rich”. Some speculation, but a lot of truth. The far right should be feared as much as the far left. Also I do agree with Ron Paul that we must End the Fed. Just giving the currency back to the people would save billions if not more every year. The Fed is owned by those that profit from war and destruction.
    Gary

  • http://billbotex.blogspot.com BillboTex

    This article appears to be promoting the typical liberal style tactic of dictating to others, the liberal agenda. I am a veteran, and your liberal conception of right & wrong is not the same as mine, nor will I allow you to force it on me, ether by force or subterfuge.

    Your liberal article demeans and ignores the sacrifice that I and other veterans have the FREEDOM to chose for ourselves.

    No one of good will DESIRES to be hurt or killed defending your or our freedom. But ALL patriots know that it is our right to do so with the associated risk.

    I am pretty sure that you have no religion affiliation, other than the liberal mantra – but for those of us who are Christians, your ill conceived proposal could have prevented our Savior from the sacrifice that He made in the behalf of all mankind.

    Merry Christmas to all patriots, and GOD BLESS AMERICA!

    • Bert Cundle Sr.

      If only you knew the Corruption of Christianity & Variable God! You would Drop thoes terms When Speaking for piece!

      • Robert Smith

        So, Burt…

        Would you say christians are preying over Americans?

        Rob

    • DaveH

      The global military excursions aren’t benefitting our Freedom, Billbo, far from it. They are exercises in Leader vanity and Crony Capitalism; that is all. The soldiers, like many of the citizens have been misled.
      Pissing people off around the world against the US is hardly a positive thing for our Freedom.
      In fact, we can see all around us, what the leaders really think of our Freedoms as our country becomes increasingly militarized on the local levels and as our Constitutional Rights get increasingly trampled.
      See here for some reality:
      http://www.cato.org/raidmap/
      Hitler wasn’t the answer for Germany’s problems, and the war-mongers here aren’t the answer to our country’s problems.

    • mickey

      Umm you do realize this is NOT a liberal site but a LIBETARIAN site. Worlds of difference in definition.

      I was a flag waving kid. Took every chance to wave it too. I was in HS when Nam came about. I was barely out of HS when I knew it was a political war.

      • mickey

        lol forgot the “r” libertarian

  • Gary

    Sorry about the misspelled word. It should say Fourth Reich not Rich.
    Gary.

  • http://aol.com sean murrey ILLIniois

    the paris peace talks were north Viet nam contacted us and said they wanted peace with us we were wining but the socailist govenment at the time wanted us pulled out of Viet nam it was because of the leftist here.

    • eddie47d

      President Johnson who escalated the war and sent more troops to Vietnam was the government in power. He wasn’t interested in ending the war and neither was Nixon. Neither wanted their pride offended instead of doing the right thing in that false fueled war.

      • Brad

        Eddie,

        Get your facts strait, yes Johnson escaleted the vietnam war, Nixon brought our troops home by 72, but Ford didn’t come to the rescue of South Vietnam when the north invaded in 75. We can play the blame game all day long no matter the out come, all we need to do is look to our past and try to never repeat the mistakes of the past.

        • Robert Smith

          The domino theory was false.

          Rob

      • eddie47d

        Nothing wrong with my facts so what is your problem?

  • CanCan

    Since politician seem to love war so much, they, their families, children, and grandchildren, should be the first ones whose butts are out at the front on the firing line. Aaah, but it is so much more comforting for them to agree on supporting an un-declared-and thus, illegal war, Obama being an illegal president not withstanding-than it is to be forced out of their comfort zone by having to put their money where their mouth is. War would not be so great if these idiot politicians were forced to the front of the line to fight in that war. But oh no. Instead, they have to send everyone else but those they love to the battle ground. And in the end, that only ends up contributing to the loss of our freedoms at home, the wounding of our soldiers, and saddles us and future generations to debt we can never repay. I just pray that we learned from the lessons of Vietnam, and support those troops who are coming home. Sadly, though, with high unemployement, rising taxes, and increased crime due to such, there is not much left to come home to.

  • Al Sieber

    Besides this we’re about to lose what freedom we have left. “Freedom is for those that have the guts to defend it” — Pericles. don’t give up your firearms.

  • ROGER, Canadian Libertarian

    AmeriKa exports TWO industries WAR and FIAT Currency….BOTH backed by Debt…AND unfortunately we now have a “Wannabe” Prime Minister who is in love with ANYTHING American,Bitish and Israeli…he WANTS TO BE part of the Corrupt Establishment and will take Canada down with the “American Empire” in his need to be part of it!!!

    Anhyone who undersand our silly political system will realize the MAJORITY of Canadians( 60%) DID NOT vote for him yet he became the Prime Minister with a MAJORITY Government..go figure!!!

    “Alice in Wonderland” anyone?

    • Aniko

      You are an America First HATER! We export only help to those who cannot help themselves. Are you hungry, homeless, terrorized? No? Why? Because there still are some who will defend your behind from those who perpetrate atrocities against their fellow men.

      You are an ungrateful mob here on this site, with big mouths, no reason but a Utopian view of this world. War was, is and always will be a way of existence for mankind as long as evil will try to overcome good. Those who are not willing to sacrifice to defend good will lose what they take for granted!

      You have the audacity to call the best of our best as mindless robots?! The audacity of the coward, philosophizing from his/her armchair and to call those who believe in us being the force for good, is sickening. With the likes of you we would be doomed. Thank God for our heroes!

      I never hear an armless or legless soldier complain about what they lost, but the bleeding heart liberal who only HEARS about the war, pretending to speak for him, calls him and what he did mindless and useless. Shame, shame on you!

      • DaveH

        Shame on those who march in lockstep to the Leaders’ Propaganda.
        Leaders have two main ways to insure their Power and Perks. Those are the military state and the welfare state. They are both designed to keep the Leaders and their pet Crony Capitalists in clover. The rest of us pay the bill.
        The Constitution clearly lays out the conditions necessary to declare war, but the Leaders have managed successfully to Brainwash a large portion of the population to ignore the Constitution. We are paying a big price for allowing that occurrence and I suspect we haven’t seen anything yet. It no doubt will get a lot worse unless the majority of the citizens shed their Propaganda Blinders and wake to reality.
        If you would take the time, Aniko, to read just these two books, I think your eyes would be opened to reality:
        “The Real Lincoln” by Thomas DiLorenzo,
        and
        http://mises.org/books/pearl_harbor_greaves.pdf

        • Aniko

          RobertH, did you EVER live anywhere else than the USA? Do you have ANY terms of comparison to where and how you live? If you never experienced lack of freedom you cannot comprehend freedom.
          I was exiled form Ceausescu’s Romania. No book writer who has never experienced what I and my family did can “open my eyes” and understanding of what is going on in this country.
          You complain about where you are. It is not good enough for you, but want something that Ron Paul talks about and NEVER consider, nor are you able to consider what the consequences of that philosophy would be like in reality!

          I suggest you go somewhere where “new” ideas have been put into practice and see for yourself just how blessed you are for being born in freedom living it and still feel you don’t have enough, without understanding what you had by birthright!

          There is no book that could replace life experience, boy!

          • DaveH

            By name is DaveH, son. And your limited personal experience compares NOT to the vast amount of knowledge contained in books.
            Also two wrongs don’t make a right. Granted we are still not as bad off as many other countries, but that is certainly no reason to stop seeking improvement.

          • eddie47d

            Aniko; Love your country and the soldiers who fight for that country but keep a close eye on the leaders who rule that country and send young men to wars. You should have learned in Romania that these wolves wear sheep’s clothing and make false promises.

    • Isaac Davis

      I gather that “aniko” is delusional, in that you make no “hate America” reference at all. You simply point out that the jackass running your circus is completely happy running it just like our bankrupt and debt-destroyed Republic. People confuse America with it’s feral gov’t. Granted, 50% of the people in America have no clue about Liberty and Freedom, and they have effectively given the power to the feral class to run this circus, but about half of America’s residents might actually be Citizens (and residents define the other half with no clue) who understand, or are beginning to understand, the ceaseless efforts required to maintain their Republic.

      Paraphrasing Mr. Jefferson, those who want Freedom and Liberty, but wish to remain ignorant and not involved, want what never was and never will be.

      • Aniko

        “AmeriKa exports TWO industries WAR and FIAT Currency”

        If that is NOT hate America (that’s with a C not a K!), then what is this? Am I delusional or have a better reading comprehension than you?

        Many in Eastern Europe, after 40 years of freedom to succeed or FAIL, want Communism back. I know better! I lived in America the free and I know I’d rather be free to fail than succeed by having to betray my conscience and be a lapdog of the powerful! Ron Paul and his pacifism is NOT the answer. If the economy is strong then defending our nation is possible and a better idea is to take the war on our enemies to their part of the world than waiting for the war to come to our shores!

        The economy can recover if those who want to make money CAN do so by whatever means necessary! Reality is COLD and heartless, but it is better than dreams of perfection in a totally corruptible world and then become enslaved by the very people who promise too much without the realistic possibility to deliver. Ron Paul knows better, yet he is able to convince you that he can do better if you give him more power than he had for 30 or so years! He is an irrational theoretician, who cannot understand reality even though he has seen it first hand.

        Realism cannot be learned but only experienced through living! Some can accept it while others like Ron Paul dream up fantasies that are not practically possible. Ron Paul wants to cause more chaos so then he can be begged to take absolute power and make everyone live according to his theory! Woe to the world and US if the likes of him succeed!

        • mickey

          It’s called the truth. We’ve blackmailed nearly all the countries, via UN or NATO, to back any regime war we want. The same with debt.

          Other nations are getting off the $1 for trade and the reason Gaddafi was killed.

          Off the $1 is what is going to kill us more than any foot war. Ron Paul keeps telling it like it is “sound money” and people are still discounting what this means.

        • eddie47d

          Aniko; Ron Paul is not a pacifist although there is nothing wrong with being one. Ron Paul believes in a strong defense and for the protection of America not worldwide intervention. Every nation has the right to defend themselves against aggression and he has warned anyone who dares to attack us.

        • Karolyn

          You sound like you’re talking about a different Ron Paul than the one I am aware of.

  • http://bjwholmes@verizon.net Barbara

    Regrettably, there are always bullies in charge of nations, many of whom have never had a decent government, example is Russia. On the other hand, God blessed His people, as He has throughout history. He is now our only hope. He allowed us this free land. As we ignore or even reject Him, He will do the same to us as he always has.

  • Tim L.

    War is the most stupid, wasteful endeavor ever devised by mankind. It is always the result of ignorance, arrogance and greed. When you start a war, you are admitting that you are too stupid and too arrogant to come up with a peaceful solution. Thus, Man is a barbarian and has always been a barbarian.

    • Ted Crawford

      I agree that your statement is true when applied to the aggressor nation but what do you consider an approiate response by the nation that was attacked?

      • Tim L.

        When faced with that level of ignorance, you have to defend yourself. My criticism is aimed only at the aggressor, no matter what country.

        • Buddy

          And is it always obvious whom the aggressors are? My take is that it isn’t obvious as there are untold factors at work.

          In the case of WWII, there was a program initiated in the late 1930s by the USA government to pressure Japan economically, so that the Eastern establishment could come to the rescue of the Anglo establishment in Europe. Several studies have been made which document this. Check out one book in Particular, Day of Deceit by Robert Sinnett says it all.

      • DaveH

        Death to the attackers, Ted. Hopefully we would take the time to identify the supporters of the attackers and take out enough of them to get the message across “Don’t mess with US”. I think maybe 3-5 times the number of casualties that they inflicted on US. They would get the message.
        Ironically, in the case of 9/11, the attackers were almost all from Saudi Arabia, yet we did nothing to Saudi Arabia. Why was that? I doubt we’ll ever really know, since we’ve ignorantly allowed our Government to keep secrets for “National Security”, which is really nothing more than the security of our immoral leaders for their immoral actions.

        • Robert Smith

          DavidH posted: “Ironically, in the case of 9/11, the attackers were almost all from Saudi Arabia, yet we did nothing to Saudi Arabia.”

          Earlier I posted it as Syiria. In fact after checking it was Saudi Arabia.

          I too ask the question: Why wasn’t Saudi Aragia punished?

          And then I found this: “How are the Bushes compromised? In House of Bush, House of Saud, I trace more than $1.4 billion in contracts and investments from the House of Saud to companies in which the Bushes and their friends have had key roles. (Michael Moore uses this figure in Fahrenheit 9/11.) Saudi money bailed out Harken Energy when George W. Bush was on its board of directors. That’s how he made his fortune. Bush 41 and James Baker traveled to Saudi Arabia repeatedly for the Carlyle Group to woo Saudi investors and win contracts. The Bush family remains close to Prince Bandar, even though Bandar’s wife actually funded two 9/11 hijackers—indirectly and inadvertently, of course. Indirect and inadvertent—that’s the Saudi way.”

          That’s from: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/dialogues/features/2004/how_does_the_saudi_relationship_with_the_bush_family_affect_us_foreign_policy/bush_has_given_the_saudis_a_free_pass.html

          Rob

          • mickey

            Go a little further back to Kuwait and I think you will find that we were just SA’s hired military.

    • Bert Cundle Sr.

      WAR… IS MOST OFTEN DECLAIRED THE MAXIMUM DEFENSIVE! THE TERM “WAR” MEANS DISREGARD FOR ANY LAW! VICTORY AT ANY COST! { WAR ON VIOLANCE “TERRORISM” IS A JOKE!}

      • Robert Smith

        The war on drugs is so sad, particularly in a free America.

        Rob

  • Ted Crawford

    While I agree that, to butcher a phrase, Iraq was a country too far, Afghanistan was necessary! We dare not allow anyone to inflict the kind of damage that was done on 9/11 without a decisive and forceful response! As events around the globe should make clear, even to the most ardent isolationist, these people are deadly serious about forcing their beliefs on the entire planet!
    I’m reminded of something that was stated by John Stuart Mills “War is an ugly thing, but not uglist of things. The decayed and degrading state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing that is more important than his personal safety,is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself”

    To those that advocate for the use of nukes I have one question, once the nuclear genie is uncorked how do we replace the lid? Robert Smith declares that we fought and won a nuclear war, while that is true it’s far easier to do that when you are in sole posetion of all the weapons. That is no longer the case, many more now have them and if this current administration and Ron Paul are successful many more will have them!
    I’d rather fight this spread somewhere far from my wife, children and grandchildren if it is all the same to everyone!

    • Robert Smith

      Ted claims: “anistan was necessary! We dare not allow anyone to inflict the kind of damage that was done on 9/11 without a decisive and forceful response! ”

      Actually the hijackers were mostly Syrians financed by a Syrian. What price has that country been made to pay?

      Rob

    • Robert Smith

      Ted asks: “To those that advocate for the use of nukes I have one question, once the nuclear genie is uncorked how do we replace the lid?”

      It’s ALREADY out of the bottle.

      BTW, slippery slope arguments are very weak. The “domino theory” simply didn’t come to pass when S. Viet Nam fell.

      Rob

      • cawmun cents

        So who escalated the Viet Nam conflict?
        What Party were they from?
        Were they a Progressive?
        Why arent you bringing that to the discussion table,Mr.Conspiracy theorist?
        Just asking.
        I know that you do not have an answer.
        -CC.

        • Robert Smith

          THE PEOPLE reelected Nixon over McGovern by a wide margin.

          Apparently the PEOPLE were overwhelmingly in favor of war.

          Don’t you respect the PEOPLE of America?

          Rob

        • eddie47d

          False flag patriotism kept the Vietnam War going!

          • Brad

            No it was the fear and spreading of communism world wide that kept the vietnam war going!!!

          • eddie47d

            Just like I said false flag patriotism. The Gulf of Tonkin incident was falsified to give us a pretense to war. Sure they(we) feared China (communism) but China hated North Vietnam and wasn’t going to come to their aid. Another false flag from our intelligence gathering. I reckon we can call that false fear or irrational reasoning from our government.

          • JeffH

            eddie, you really should get some facts first on China’s role in N Vietnam…

            “Best turn it into a bigger war…I’m afraid you really ought to send more troops to the South…Don’t be afraid of U.S. intervention, at most it’s no worse than having another Korean War. The Chinese army is prepared, and if America takes the risk of attacking North Vietnam, the Chinese army will march in at once. Our troops want a war now.”
            – Mao speaking to the North Vietnamese in 1964

            Second Indochina War, 1964-75
            The catalyst for the Second Vietnam War would be the controversial Gulf of Tonkin incident in August of 1964 between the U.S. Navy and North Vietnamese torpedo boats in the China Sea. The incident greatly alarmed both the Vietnamese and Chinese Communist leadership and caused both to move closer together in responding to increased U.S. military actions in Southeast Asia. China took immediate steps to move forces south towards the border with Vietnam and sent MIG jet aircraft to Hanoi to bolster the DRV’s defensives. To the north Chairman Mao remained concerned about the U.S., in his opinion “the most ferocious enemy of the people of the world.” [48] Thus, when senior North Vietnamese leaders, to include General Giap, formally requested Chinese military aid in April of 1965, the response would be swift and sure. The PRC President would tell the Vietnamese that the Chinese people and party were obligated to support the North and therefore “…we will do our best to provide you with whatever you need and whatever we have.”

            “So the more troops they send to Vietnam, the happier we will be, for we feel that we will have them in our power, we can have their blood…They will be close to China…in our grasp. They…will be our hostages.” – Chou En-lai speaking to Nasser, 1965

            As a biographer of Chairman Mao would remark “It was having China as a secure rear and supply depot that made it possible for the Vietnamese to fight for 25 years and beat first the French and then the Americans.”
            http://www.militaryhistoryonline.com/20thcentury/articles/chinesesupport.aspx

    • willy

      Although I agree that taking the fight to them is usally the best course, I have to say this time that is wrong. We will never stop the spread of islam and I am not sure we should. We should do battle with oppresion whenever we can. I think in this case we would be better served to man our own borders, strenghten our economy before we try to police the world.

    • DaveH

      Ted,
      You should read this Free online book about WWII:
      http://mises.org/books/pearl_harbor_greaves.pdf

      And then once the veil has lifted to the dishonesty of Government Leaders, you can investigate “False Flag” events with a more open mind.
      Was 9/11 a false flag event? Maybe. It does seem odd to me that our military didn’t just punish the accused supporters in Afghanistan and then just get out. Nobody in their right mind would think that the perpetual conflicts in Afghanistan are going to be solved by our military. So why have we wasted tens of thousands of our soldiers’ lives in that vain effort, not to mention hundreds of Billions of dollars? I think there is much more going on than we the citizens are aware of. And the death of Pat Tillman just raises further questions about our involvement.

    • mickey

      The US is the only one that used them. And that was AFTER Japan had already been in negotitations.

      Even Bachmann says we can’t mess with Pakistan because Pakistan has nukes.

  • JJM

    War on Communism now War on Terror? If we are to finance so called ‘Peacekeeping’ and Regime Change we should be bringing home the prise not just the damaged soldier.
    Trump sounded like a profiteering Mercenary, but logical.
    And so many spout off that Ron Paul is a nut case, not.
    The movie ‘Fair Game’ is a good indication of twisted partial facts getting us involved in our expensive ($ and human) games and that no human price is too big to extend the lies.

  • Joe Berger

    I very much agree with your general “follies of war” hypothesis.
    But you left out WW2 in which we fought and died for “uncle” Joe Stalin and gave him most of central Europe, allowing him to turn that area into a gigantic slave labor camp. WE elevated the USSR from a 5th rate power in 1939 to a first rate power in 1945. It was uncle Joe who promoted Mao in china and got communism going in most of southeast Asia including Korea and Vietnam…. and Cuba. We could have easily let Hitler and Stalin destroy each other without allowing the USSR to become the REAL WINNERS of that war.
    Let’s face it America’s involvment in European and Asian wars have all been crap….from beginning to end.

    • Buddy

      Agreed, Joe!

      • Joe Brooks

        Agreed

    • DaveH

      I think so also, Joe.

  • Raggs

    In today’s time wars are being used to test “new” technology and new weapons what better way to test these things but by creating a crisis.. And even the use of drones on American soil to spy on the citizens, so what is next for America?…

    • TN guy

      That is true. Most of our technology is a product of military spending. GPS and our cell phone and sattelite communications. Aeronautics and vehicles. You name it.

      • Robert Smith

        And the military spending would be so much more productive if NASA spent it.

        From NASA we’ve already gotten so much. Calculators, medicine…

        Rob

        • Brad

          RS,

          Calculators have been around for thousands of years. The first known was the abacus which was invented around 2000 BC and mechanical calculators have seen the light of day every since. Jumping forward to WWII our fleet submarines used a very intricate mechanical calculator to dermine a ships course speed and distance which inturn was fead into a torpedos guidance system of the day. Medicine has been evolving again for thousands of years, NASA has brought very little to the table in regards to both the calculator and medicine. The very first solid state calculators where introduced on the markets in the 60′s and 70′s. Casio and sharp were the first company’s to introduce the compact calculator with micro processors. Nasa used exsisting technology, most advancements in technology usualy came from the military or private industry. RS get your facts strait before posting, it will do you some good.

          • Robert Smith

            From Brad: “mechanical calculators have seen the light of day every since.”

            I can remember trying to get the Fridn calculator to do the William Tell overture: Bzump Bzump… bzump bump bump.

            Rob

      • Buddy

        How about that?! And I alway thought that computers came out of a garage near Palo Alto (Calif.) and software came from a couple of college drop-outs living near Bellevue (Wash).

  • Tim Orner

    I think its time that ALL politicians be completely relieved from their salaries and life long pensions. The incredible men and women who overlook the corruption in Washington, and still believe in FREEDOM, should NOT have to find jobs when they return from service, they should receive the lifetime pension our corrupt politicians are receiving, and should be able to live in comfort with their families until death. Since the only real responsibility that the federal Government has to its people, is to keep us free, lets spend our taxes on those who really deserve it.

  • Capitalist at Birth

    Where have all the flowers gone? Oh, when will they ever learn?

  • TN guy

    “I would free the North Korean people in about 17 minutes — without harming any young Americans. Iran might take a week — just long enough to turn things over to the pro-Western youths in that country whom Barack Obama was so pleased to see crushed.”

    What a bunch of crap. Try living in the real world.

    • James

      TN,FDR made a deal with Stalin that the Soviets could have the north part of Korea down to the 38th parallel. Since then, that ‘deal’ has been treated as a treaty arrangement. When N. Korea invaded S. Korea in 1950, President Truman dispatched U.S. Armed Forces to drive them back across the 38th paraallel, and when that was accomplished our troops dug in, and we’ve been in that position ever since. General MacArthur wanted to continue northward but Truman wouldn’t allow it. I was there when that happened, but didn’t know any of this background.

      • mickey

        Happy to hear that. I was only 4-6 during the Korean War and didn’t understand much about it.

        thanks

        • James

          I had my 23rd birthday in Korea.

  • 4-just_us

    Thank you Robert Ringer- that is the best article I have ever seen concerning our idiotic wars. It’s about time someone separated truth form idealistic dogma. Americans are so gullible and sheep like. I couldn’t believe all the people that voted to give Bush a second term under the guise of “keeping our country save”. George Bush and Cheney ARE the terrorist.

  • Sirian

    Since WWII we haven’t had a “Declared War” passed and pushed forward by Congress – isn’t that easily non-Constitutional? Be it tied in with the all knowing all seeing peace pushing U.N. from time to time have we honestly and truthfully administered a “Declaration of War” to battle those that have in various yet obvious ways declared war on us? I am a Vietnam veteran too although over the years I have settled back into a different perspective of the wars that we have been involved with. Uh, oh yes, “Police Actions” – forgot. The religious idiots in the Mid-East have been battling everyone, themselves included, for centuries with very little if hardly any change to the better ever accomplished. Being it as it may, why is it so difficult to simply make it explicitly clear to all in that peace loving region of the world, or any other region for that matter, that if you screw around with us you best prepare yourselves as your longed for wondrous virgins and your badge of martrydom will be arriving soon. In simple terms, if we must, hit them hard, fast and decisively without any regard to the “collateral damage” – the total devestating effect will result in the objective. What objective you may ask – simple, to end the needless year after year of combat, wasted lives of our troops that should be prized possessions not expendable minions of useless politically driven wars, billions upon billions upon billions of our ever flowing tax dollars wasted for, in the end, nothing. Standby, Iraq is a prime example, it’s already starting to fall back into the same crevasse it was in before. Is it not obvious that they are not in a striving state to overcome the religious idiocy that controls their lives to no end? Afghanistan will follow suit as it too has been a perpetual combat zone for hundreds of years. The only thing that that area of the world understands is force. History continual repeats itself in that region, over and over and over. If that may be the only way to get it through their heads then “make it so”. I detest the idea in actuality but if that would put an end to what we have subjected ourselves to for the past ten years, could you not agree that it would be best for all – especially our troops, sailors and airmen? We have and have had the military capability to do so for decades. If the need arises, declare a war via Congress and then get it over with as fast as possible. Today, it wouldn’t take very long, true? Yes.

  • http://nowebsite Jim Mitchell

    Mr. Ringer “Tells it like it is.”

  • Bert Cundle Sr.

    POLITICS UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

    • Bert Cundle Sr.

      NEXT WAR WITH PAINT BALL GUNS…

      • Bert Cundle Sr.

        But: Population would run rampid…

      • Sirian

        Be careful Bert, the environmental freaks would start whining about the environmental damage all the paintballs would create – global warming included. . . :)

        • DaveH

          For sure.

  • 2WarAbnVet

    It is pointless to prattle on about “the cost of war” or the mythical “military-industrial complex” when our nation is being destroyed by the transfer of wealth from the productive citizens to the ever growing parasite class. At the same time our liberties are vanishing under ever increasing bureaucracy and government regulation. The Rule of Law is regularly ignored, and the Constitution is regarded as a useless impediment.

    • Raggs

      Have ya seen what is going on in California?…
      The police there are told NOT to impound automoblies that are driven by illegal immigrants that do not have a valid drivers licence, but if you are a citizen of America without a drivers licence off to jail you go… So why is it that the Citizens of this country have to follow the laws but if your an illegal immigrant you do not have to follow the laws?
      I know that this is about oblama gaining votes from the illegals but come on this is going WAY too far.

    • eddie47d

      The last time I looked 2War,profits were up 27% for the “producers” in 2011 and stagnant for everyone else.Those Elites are also abusing the Constitution and taking away Liberties to enrich themselves.

    • Sirian

      2WarAbnVet,
      I agree with your comment that “our liberties are vanishing” and “The Rule of Law is regularly ignored, and the Constitution is regarded as a useless impediment.” But unfortunately the Military Industrial Complex is far from holding the mantle of a myth.

  • Glen Xx

    Two things (1st) No country can prosper in a time of war !

    2nd) a question. we know that the U.S. treasury has the the power to

    coin and print money, therefor why is there a

    national debt?

    The Fraudulent reserv Bk prospers, the tax payers do not.
    it is time to end debt “money”

    If Ron Paul is President, we will see the first debt free money
    since JFK issued treasury notes in 1963.

    • Sirian

      Isn’t it rather odd that shortly after JFK was assassinated that the new Treasury Notes were immediately withdrawn from the public and Federal Reserve notes regained their predominance? It does seem questionable, doesn’t it?

  • DaveH

    Very Good, Robert Ringer.
    But, and it’s a Big But, I think your statement “Imagine all the lives and money that could have been saved had we hit the Tora Bora mountain range with a string of nuclear bombs in 2001″ was a bit extreme. If we just inflicted 3-5 times the casualties on them as they inflicted on us, you can bet that they would leave us alone in the future, WITHOUT using nukes. The war-mongers in their nation would bear the brunt of their own citizens anger for the wrath they brought down on them.
    Nukes should be kept in the closet for only very extreme cases of self-defense.
    I doubt seriously, though, that any country would dare to mess with us. Our greatest danger by far, as you mentioned, is from our own Government.

    • mickey

      Exactly and the “war on terrorits” is no longer abroad: it is us.

      • mickey

        sorry, can’t type with a darn “terrorists”

  • http://????? Wm. Robert

    All of the above complaints are B.S.! When the American people get rid of the Federal Reserve Corporation and its collection agency, The Internal Revenue Corporation the WARS will come to a Screeching Halt and the planet can live in peace until someone starts it all over again. GET WISE, PLEASE!!!!!!!
    The above info was given to me in my grammer school way back in the 40′s. After all these years I now believe my teachers more than ever!

  • Telfire

    Ah man, you had me until right up at the end there when you threatened nukes. So what about all the other stuff you were talking about, how killing tons and tons and tons of helpless civilians is a bad idea?

    • Raggs

      I wonder if you woulod change your mind if Iran dropped a nuke on the US or Israel?

      • DaveH

        Raggs, if somebody unknown killed your wife would you feel morally justified to randomly kill some of your neighbors?

  • Jimmy

    I’m tired of wars and rumers of war.
    Go and do the things Abraham done in the Old Testament. “I pray let their be no strife between me and thee.” If you go to the right, I will go to the left.” “If you go to the right I will go to the left.”

    • Jimmy

      I’m tired of wars and rumers of war.
      Go and do the things Abraham done in the Old Testament. “I pray let their be no strife between me and thee. “If you go to the right, I will go to the left. If you go to the left, I will go to the right.”

  • Tim

    When I went to Vietnam I was told I was a “guest” in their country, and to act accordingly. If we acted like conquerors we would have won.
    It’s a terrible thing to say but war is good for the economy. It puts a lot of people to work. Somebody has to make the bullets. It is also very contraceptive because it eliminates a large portion of the baby producing population quickly.I know I’ll catch hell for saying that, but think what the population of this country would be if the Civil war didn’t happen. Then add the rest of the wars. If these fine men and women that died in all our wars had two children each, and those offspring had two, and so on. Well , you can see what I mean. In a perfect world there shouldn’t be war, but this isn’t a perfect world.

    • DaveH

      It’s a myth that war is good for an economy. Do you also think Earthquakes are good for the economy?
      There is only one thing that prevents nearly full employment (there will always be a modest amount of unemployment as people move from one job to another) and that is Big Government meddling in our Marketplace and creating disincentives for the creation of jobs, be they stifling regulations, minimum wage mandates, or market-distorting subsidies.
      War simply diverts our productivity from wealth-enhancing activities to wealth-destroying activities.
      If wars were good for economies, then it would follow that kids breaking windows, painting graffiti, and other vandalism would also be good for economies. And think of all the money we could save by reducing our police force.

  • Dens

    Mr. Ringer is right on this one. As a veteran I look back and wonder why so many young lives are destroyed for no good reason. I have to laugh when I hear so many say “it’s to protect our freedoms”. When I was in, the only thing I wanted to protect was my fellow troopers and myself from death. “Protecting freedom” was something the general officers talked about just before they mounted up in their jeeps and headed back away from the front. Many of you may someday realize your government spends lives with the same gusto with which it spends tax money. You may think your soldiers are being butchered for “freedom” but the reality of it is, they are being “invested” for profit.

    • Nicolas Lomas

      Well said! URAH!
      Nick

    • http://fernhart.com Marianne

      This comment as well as SO many others is “as right as rain”! I am an 80 yr old history teacher and political “junkie”. The American people just do NOT know their history OR have SOME knowledge BUT main ly WRONG! Ron Paul is definitely NOT anti “gay”, Israel, black etc. This ia just political; “mud slinging” to try to ruin him. He is FOR FREEDOM and that includes wars of any kind except to defend ourselves!

      Tjink about this: “remember the Maine” -a battleship that was blown up in Havana harbor by who knows? and we HAD TO DEFEND OURSELVES? THAT LED TO THE SPANISH AMERICAN WAR. “remember the Luisitania” that was a tourist ship bound for England BUT Churchill who was the head of the British Navy got munitions put on it and a German U-boat (that’s a sub- for you kids) sunk it bringing us into WWI ’cause we HAD TO DEFEND OURSELVES ??! Wilson had just got re elected on the slogan “He kept us out of war”. FDR engineered Pearl Harbor –he knew that the Japanese were coming, the military had broken their code days before. “Remember Peal Harbor” so we HAD TO DEFEND OURSELVES. LBJ got a paper telling about the “Tonkin Bay Incident” just another “false flag” to get a people who DON’T WANT WAR TO BE TRICKED INTO DEFENDING OURSELVES. I’m sure that you can find other examples. The Department of Defense has become the Department of Agression. End the Empire!!! Ron Paul will DO IT or DIE TRYING!

    • eddie47d

      Dens; That reminds me of the movie Gallipoli where Australian troops were sent to certain death and slaughtered one by one. They were under the command of the British who used them as useful subjects(cannon fodder).

  • jay Lindberg

    FYI

    You forgot about the other war, the War on Drugs. We burn up close to 60 adult life spans a day in American jails. We also spend in the neighborhood of 250 Billion dollars a year on this corrupt war. Nixon Declared this War on Drugs 40 years ago. (1971) There is an old saying about government bureaucracies, “The larger a Bureaucracy becomes, the less accountable it is to anyone” The Drug War is proof in Spades. Drug War budgets continue to rise at a rate of 2 to 5% a year.

    If you ever want an article on it, shoot me an e-mail or call, We can discuss it.

  • DanJay

    I propose this new amendment to the Constitution:

    AMENDMENT XXVIII (proposed)
    No candidate for federal elective office shall be eligible without first having served full time a minimum of two years in the Armed Forces of the United States of America. Information on the details of such service shall be openly and publicly made available for the voters to examine.

    Under this amendment, we would not have had as “Commander in Chief” Clinton, Bush-Cheney or even the current incumbent. This also would have disqualified the vast majority of current office-holders in the House and Senate. Instead, we would have had a far more knowledgable legislature to decide whether or not to take military action.

    By the way, military action is not the sole rationale behind this amendment. Every veteran is a personal witness to the “bad side” of government. First during their service, they have personally witnessed the lies told under “This is official,” “Officially,” and “Look at the big picture.” In addition, post-service, they get subjected to repeated bureaucratic abominations under the name of “veteran benefits.” They are also subjected to discriminatory practices when they seek employment with the “veteran” label, limiting them only to police work or minimum-wage security guard regardless of education, actual skills or experience. One can only speculate about the possibility of the very real reforms that would be enacted by legislators who have witnessed that type of treatment, but I see better than we have now.

    I also know that the current House and Senate members will vigorously oppose this amendment because of the threat to their current “job security.” It actually should be sent to the states for passage first, if possible. This would put pressure on the current legislators to pass it. The voters should exert their power by not re-electing any incumbents unless they are military veterans. This sounds like an impractical “noble ideal,” but I seem to remember another “noble ideal” that freed this country and instituted an actual Bill of Rights.

    • willy

      AGREED

    • Robert Smith

      Rules: “Information on the details of such service shall be openly and publicly made available for the voters to examine.”

      Under that rule George W. Bush would NOT have been able to run.

      America would be a better place for that.

      Rob

      • Brad

        America would have been a better place if Bill and Hillary to include Ohmama were rejected under said rule. GWB would qualify, he served in the Air National Guard from 1968 to 1973, but of course with some controversy.

        • Robert Smith

          Bush’s records are clouded in being “missing.”

          Bill never pretended to be in the milirary, and Hillary is a femal (believe it or not) and exempt from the military unless she had volunteered.

          Rob

  • Greatscott

    This is what pisses me off to no end, we spend trillions of dollars in over seas military bases in approximately 120 countries and wars in the Middle East and we leave our borders mostly unprotected and look the other way about Illegal immigrants living and mooching off of the tax payers.

    I have nothing but respect for military men and women that take their Oath to the Constitution seriously, for the rest of them, nothing but utter disdain. We are being defrauded by our own Government and the majority of lefties and righties cannot see it. That is why I support Ron Paul for POTUS.

  • Jay

    Excellent article Mr. Ringer. As you stated in the article: “We’re talking very big business here. It’s so big that those who benefit the most from it are willing to have people killed in order to keep the war assembly lines moving ahead at full speed.”

    To that i would add; The one’s who benefit the most from wars, are the very one’s who will instigate/create wars, through the use of provocateur, who are first sent to place(s) of interest, to whip-up the populace, to convince the populace that they are getting a raw-deal from their over-bearing government. As well, the propaganda machine, here, in our country, will begin its merciless assault on it’s own population. The goal of course, is to convince us that a particular government abroad is abusing its poor people, and we, the saviours of the world must go, and overturn/replace their government.

    A number of government agencies and intelligence units –with links to the Pentagon– are involved in various components of the propaganda campaign. Realities are turned upside down. Acts of war are heralded as “humanitarian interventions” geared towards “regime change” and “the restoration of democracy”. Military occupation and the killing of civilians are presented as “peace-keeping”.

    The derogation of civil liberties –in the context of the so-called “anti-terrorist legislation”– is portrayed as a means to providing “domestic security” and upholding civil liberties. And underlying these manipulated realties, “Osama bin Laden” and “Weapons of Mass Destruction” statements, which circulate profusely in the news chain, are upheld as the basis for an understanding of World events.

    In the critical “planning stages” leading up to an invasion of Iraq, the twisting of public opinion at home and around the World, is an integral part of the War agenda, War propaganda is pursued at all stages: before, during the military operation as well as in its cruel aftermath. War propaganda serves to drown the real causes and consequences of war.

    A few months after the OSI was disbanded amidst controversy (February 2002), The New York Times confirmed that the disinformation campaign was running strong and that the Pentagon was:

    “…considering issuing a secret directive to American military to conduct covert operations aimed at influencing public opinion and policymakers in friendly and neutral nations …The proposal has ignited a fierce battle throughout the Bush administration over whether the military should carry out secret propaganda missions in friendly nations like Germany… The fight, one Pentagon official said, is over ‘the strategic communications for our nation, the message we want to send for long-term influence, and how we do it….’We have the assets and the capabilities and the training to go into friendly and neutral nations to influence public opinion. We could do it and get away with it. That doesn’t mean we should.’

    http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO301A.html

  • http://www.personalliberty.com/conservative-politics/government/a-better-idea-for-national-defense/?eiid= Lew

    Yes, during WWII…America was a very different nation: UK & US feebly cheered from the sidelines during the Russo-Finnish war(s) and did nothing to help the Finns from losing the Karelian Isthmus and Lake Ladoga in this unprovoked war of aggression by the socialists. And after the cold war ended 50 years later and Estonia, Latvia & Lithuania regained their independence; Klintong, der Schlickmeister’s, fellow socialist administration gave 1000-100′s of $s to each Soviet army officer who had occupied Lithuania to buy a home back in Russia. And the soviet occupiers remain on the stolen Finnish land.

  • Henry Ledbetter

    Don’t ever go to war unless you plan to win it, would solve most our problems. If we do not take care of our borders soon we will have nothing worth fighting for. Draining the Washington D.C. swamp that has become totally toxic to freedom is of primary importance. A return to THE GOD OF THE BIBLE could lead us to safety, now and for eternity as He was the beginning and will be the ending. I find peace and know I can trust Him, even if all others may fail me.. “Ultimately “the battle is not ours but The Lords.”

  • Jim W

    Mr. Ringer, you have forgotten who is really to blame for this mess, the leftist environmentalist, socialist, Marxist, and democrats that have made a career blocking any energy advances in this country since the mid-sixties. The only reason the mid-east has the money and influence to cause problems in world events is oil that they didn’t even develope themselves. You, like most of your contempories in the MSM have forgotten that freedom is not free.

    • eddie47d

      I could just as easily say it’s the Conservatives who have blocked progress on the energy front but I won’t be as nasty about it.

      • Brad

        Why Eddie you normally are, so why do enviromental extreamists always attempt to block further oil drilling in this country, they don’t want coal, natural gas, nuclear, and oh my god wind because the turbines kill birds. Lets go back too the stone age then…

        • eddie47d

          Don’t be so paranoid about environmentalists Brad. I’ve only heard negative remarks from Conservatives about wind power. We know all the dangers and they are only watching our backs in the damage various energy resources can create.

  • willy

    As I read these comments and see the wisdom some of them have I say good job. I have to wonder about Ron Paul’s plans for getting rid of some of our useless gov agencies. What will happen when all these people are out of work? I do tend to agree with Mr. Paul but he scares the hell out of me. Maybe that is what is needed now. No one else seems to have the balls to put it out there. Yeah, it will be tough but if we don’t do it now we don’t stand a chance later. peace

    • DaveH

      “What will happen when all these people are out of work?”.
      They’ll get real jobs, Willy, doing something productive instead of inhibiting others from being productive. The economy would boom if we got Government out of our pocketbooks and out of the way.

    • mickey

      We’ve been so conditioned that “someone should do it for us” many have forgotten that the economy did just fine without all these big corps. Small mom and pop businesses made enough money to live on. Even employee a couple extra.

      Nike started over a “waffle iron”. Remember? All this talk about jobs, jobs, jobs is phony. The trend and goal was to get us back to minimum income via one type of government paycheck. We are there: retirees, unemployed, and welfare are equal. Even the working poor don’t make much more.

      Almost all innovation has stopped. Despite what anyone says, and Japan agrees, no country has had the innovation the US has. It was never duplicated what we did from scratch.

  • FreedomFighter

    WAR WHAT IS IT GOOD FOR,

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pIqxuygWwM&feature=fvsr

    Absolutely Nothing

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

  • Nicolas Lomas

    There is a better way of keeping our national defense to full strength an keeping it out of the hands of greedy corporate government beuracrats. That is by establishing 2nd amendment state militias. The states would be in control of the troops. The fed’s would have to go to the governors in order to get troops to go fight some battle overseas. This was one of the systems of checks and balances that was set up before the civil war. After the civil war, the U.S. became a big corporation.
    Nick

  • Jeremy Leochner

    For once I couldn’t agree more. I have always been against the idea of war. But specifically war waged in the pursuit of selfish means. I have never enjoyed the massive profits gained by companies that manufacture weapons and equipment for the troops when war breaks out. I honestly do agree that there is corruption in Washington and we do need to clean it up. Our troops are brave and honorable men and women and they deserve to be treated as such. We must do all we can to get the troops home as soon as possible. Hopefully we can also do a little cleaning house to weaken the military industrial complex a little so we don’t need to worry about such needless wars happening again.

    • eddie47d

      So true Jeremy. Almost all nations that build up their military have to use it somewhere to prove there proficiency. Thus we have continual wars and a growing military. Thus when the defense budget grows the wars flow and corruption follows.

  • http://www.dlopezforcongress.com Delia

    I prefer what Ron Paul said bomb the training camps, we built them we knew where they were, and put letters of marque and reprisal on the bad individuals. Why Afghanistan? The sovereign nation did not attack us. Muslim terrorists did and Thomas Jefferson had to deal with Muslim terrorists, back then they were called pirates. That is all they are pirates and they should be treated as TJ did. The Taliban had eradicated opium poppies. Big money there.

    • mickey

      And the marines and small children are protecting poppy fields.

      As for the left getting into collateral damage? Seems like both sides want the blood money but don’t want the association of how it is obtained.

  • Mutantone

    It is how strange when we are at war no matter where it is we are out front to win but when the democrats get in charge appeasement capitulation bow down and take in the defeat we need to just let our military carry out the wars as they are trained to do and equipped to do, get in get it done win leave we are the only power on the face of the earth right now that has the power to make the world a better place for all man kind

    • mickey

      And China is doing that with trade. Who knew the Chinese and Japan would agree up and do business together, considering Japan massacred the Chinese.

  • Henry Ledbetter

    In the days of David, there were uncircumcised Philistines that defied the army of the Living God; which prompted David to say, “Is there not a cause.” David chose five smooth stones and a simple sling but only one stone was needed to defeat the mighty Goliath. David had full faith in the power of the living God and God had found a lad ready to use what he had to defeat evil. OUR GREATEST WARFARE WILL BE SPIRITUAL.

    • Robert Smith

      Hey Henry, I got a better idea!

      Let’s let the gods fight it out in the same spirit of letting the heads of government fight it out. After all, apparently it is THEY who want the wars.

      I can imagine the skies filled with intercontinal balastic missiles over head being fired from one god at another. What a story!

      We culd all look up and say ICBM. And we can chear each god on with their BMs.

      Yup, that works for me.

      Rob

      • mickey

        uh, our false god is over-head as we speak with chemtrails.

  • Bono

    You are absolutely correct Mr. Ringer. As a liberterian I feel that wars must be fought and won. Wars should not be political ploys for corporations and politicians to play their miserable games. Our young men and women should not die for another man’s lie. We are the strongest nation in the world and have the best military. There is no one nation that we need to fear as long as we keep our military strong. The Monroe doctrine was there for a reason. The second world war had to be fought because it was a real all consuming threat. These other war we have fought since that generation are political wars of desire not of need. It is a total conspiracy between the powerful private corporations and the politcians they buy in Washington to make themselves richer at our taxpayer expense. When do we stop being so blind? The labels democrat and republican are simply that: the puppets on the string, paid to do the bidding. We listen to the boneheads; democrates did this, republicans did this. Sorry but they are the same. We do not to be the polceman of the world we need to stay stong, stay fit, stay alert and if someone comes to our shore then they pay the supreme price.

    • mickey

      umm WWII was fought more at the bequest of Central Bankers, the economy was not rebounding by the New Deal. IMHO the US just wasn’t ready for Hitler to be the NWO chief)

      After the war, many nations had war debts to the US. Even the economy was not going to go forward with so many vets coming back. Women liked having jobs and didn’t want to go back home. Veteran’s benefits kept the men off the work lines and split the job advancements by education. Then the constuction of many, many new homes put a LOT of people back to work.

  • sickofit

    I agree with your take on how to win a war but do you realize that a great number of Americans have come to believe that in war we must not hurt innocents. I guess they never heard of WWI, WWII, Korea, Viet Nam.
    They scream like hell “No collateral damage is acceptable”. How in the hell can a nation run any kind of a war when it’s citizens are brain dead bleeding hearts.

    • DaveH

      What amazes me is the vast amount of people who lay claim to morality, and understand the wisdom of due process, and pretend to follow the Commandment “Thou shalt Not Kill”, but then throw it all out the window because some Politicians call the killing a War or a Military Action.
      A turd is a turd by any other name.

  • Amanda

    How can we win when all we do is argue with each other “It was the Dems!” “No, it was the republicans!” Who cares, what matters are the issues at hand. This party system of ours has become a joke and anyone with common sense would agree. All we are are money bags to our government. They use the party system to distort our minds. These days you either have to be on a certain side of a coin or the other. What is the point? It’s good to know history so that you do not repeat it, but to put others down? THAT IS EXPECTED FROM A CHILD. I will not have faith in my country until people literally grow up..which looks like never. Why can you agree and disagree and move on to the issues at hand and stop pestering others for being “inaccurate”. Or is it the American attitude that has been embedded in all of our minds. The “I’m right, you’re wrong” mentality. I appreciate this column and look forward to anything else he comes up with. Peace to all for this next year.

  • SFDennis

    Robert, I don’t always agree with everything you write, but this is one time I agree with you wholeheartedly. Excellent points, all.

  • Eric

    We will always have the military-industrial complex as we need to have a national defense. However, we also need to stop tying the hands of our military. If we go into battle we should bring all of the power of the military to bear upon our enemy and DESTROY whoever it may be. We should go in to win in the shortest amount of time using every weapon at our disposal. If we are to believe our corrupt politicians (both sides of the aisle) that it is our best interest then why aren’t we getting oil at $25 a barrel or better yet take over the oil fields and say to those countries, you wanted us now get out your checkbook and pay in cash, oil, minerals etc.
    You said there was a transfer of wealth from the taxpayer to the military-industrial complex which is true but i believe there is an even bigger transfer of wealth that hasn’t been paid for yet…..the medical bill for all these wounded warriors. We will be paying that one until the day they finally are at rest.

    • mickey

      Why are we even still talking about oil? Why not hemp. Hemp will do almost anything oil can do and we can grow it. (outlawed by our wonderful oil cartels)

  • mickey

    War isn’t the only way we lose our civil liberties. Any one standing for the Constitution and those ever endearing Bill of Rights, please review Ron Paul’s platform and contribute at least $5. He isn’t going to get recognition based on entertainment news.

    Thank you.

  • jopa

    The Afghan and Iraq wars were not necessary.The only perps we wanted in Afghanistan were some Saudi terrorists.We didn’t have to start bombing the whole country side.If the previous administration were to use a more strategic tactic as Obama did with seal team Six we would have not lost a single American and wasted all that treasure.It’s about time that we have some real leadership, and thank you Mr. President.He sure had on his poker face when he was on national TV and at the same time he was calling the shot to kill Bin Laden.Now he has the terrorists shaking in there sandals.

    • mickey

      Yes, and at least from Clinton on, Israel id’d the people. It was the Saudis, but no, bin Laden died a long time ago.

      If you are talking the current “terroists” certainly we are IT. Shaking in our boots? Yes, to a degree since NDAA passed.

  • Buck

    Dear Mr. Ringer , Me and my titainium leg would like to thank you very much . You are one hundred percent on the money .

  • Buck

    Dear JOPA , while Mr. ringer is one hundred percent right , you are a one hundred percent lefty lunatic .

    • eddie47d

      What did jopa say that wasn’t correct?

      • JeffH

        “If the previous administration were to use a more strategic tactic as Obama did with seal team Six we would have not lost a single American and wasted all that treasure.It’s about time that we have some real leadership, and thank you Mr. President.He sure had on his poker face when he was on national TV and at the same time he was calling the shot to kill Bin Laden.Now he has the terrorists shaking in there sandals.”

        With the exception of the “poker face”, every bit of it was incorrect.

      • eddie47d

        By your opinion but that doesn’t make it wrong at all.

  • Steve

    Joe Berger, (1)No president has really delt with immigration including Bush and Obama. Obama wants and needs the votes. (2) The housing problems began with the CRA, Community Reinvestment Act, back in the late ’70′s with Carter. Freddie and Fannie are the ones that let this happen by buying notes that they new were bad from other big lenders. The questions were asked and Barney Franks and Chris Dodd said that there was no problem. (3) Clinton signed NAFTA, North American Free Trade Agreement, allowing our huge trade deficit. Companies were moving some of their business over seas due to NAFTA, long before Bush. You may be right on Iraq and Afghanistan, but radical mooslims did attack us first. We definitely should have handled it differently.

  • Henry Ledbetter

    ROBERT SMITH Sad to say that there will be wars and rumors of wars because of the depravity of man apart from the goodness of THE LORD OUR GOD. If you should survive the NWO headed by anti-christ you will get your wish of the gods fighting it out with the Lord God. It will be called Armageddon and it will be no contest as to who the winner is as the blood will flow to the horses bridle for 200 miles. It does matter which God you chose to be on the side of.as all false gods are losers.

    • Robert Smith

      Guess you don’t even want to approach the notion of their being goddesses.

      Without ‘em where would all those little gods come from?

      After all isn’t ALL of humanity in gods images?

      (punctuation can be fun sometimes)

      Rob

  • Dave Bishop

    The sad part about our “national defense” is that much of our weaponry is either fully or partially manufactured in foreign countries. Some of those nations are not partial to this country, but are still happy to receive our money –such as it is– for their products. We cannot extract our country from this global economy given all that is going on in the one world mindset without disrupting the rest of the world. Between the commercial empires, corrupt politicians, and greedy union bosses and high cost unions, we must continue down the road until someone ascends the emperors throne and takes over with the ultimate global economy. God help us all –he’s the only one who can.

    • mickey

      Sadly, we made those war products for other countries during different periods of time.

      The global economy is a different story. Our leaders have chosen war over trade. While I think English should be spoken (US) first, a non-visionary look at learning a 2nd language has hindered us in world trade.

  • Sam Thomas

    The decision of “Who would I rather have violate my personal liberties? Terrorist or the government?” is what the establishment asks every time foreign policy is questioned. Why is there not an option to defend the liberties of the people and protect our land and protect the exchange of out traded goods? In reality this is all the protection we need. The rest the American people can handle. Domestic terrorism whether they are from out of the country or not should be treated as it always has before.

  • Henry Ledbetter

    The good news is that after armageddon, Jesus the Prince of Peace will set up His Kingdom on this earth for 1000 years as satan will be bound and cast into the lake of fire. THERE WILL BE PEACE ON EARTH for the 1000 YEAR REIGN OF JESUS. I pray that you don’t miss it.,

  • John Titus

    You must first understand the root causes of wars; at least those of the past two centuries. Wars do come about at random becuase people of different cultures disagree or want the same land or other resources. Wars are a singular creation of the secret societies like the Illuminati, Freemasons and Rosicrusians. There are two families and their associations that are the rulers of the world through their wealth and control of 95% of the world’s resources. These two families are the Rockefellers and the Rothschilds. These two families control over 500 trillion dollars and 147 corporations that are interconnected with almost everything else. It is these two families that have engineered the current economic collapse. That have done this to introduce a new world economic system that suites the goal of a world government.

    The United States and United Kingdom are now owned and operated by these monsters. Anyone who bothers to do the research can easily see that these people and those they control have created all of the wars of the twentieth and twenty-first centuries. Why you may ask. The answer is simple. Money and Power. It is true that war makes money for these monsters. But it is more than that. The wars they create brings them closer to their ultimate goal. World domination. A world-wide Facist dictatorship.

    They know that they cannot achieve this goal with 7 billion people who could easily oppose and defeat them. Therefore these people currently plan to depopulate the world by using Iran to start WWIII. Their plan is to do this within the next 18 months. Their hope is that this will kill 50% of the population and leave the world so devastated that it will accept peace under their terms.

    They have also designed a human to human transmissible H5N1 virus that they will use to complete the job. Their goal is 90% depopulation. Those who are left will become their microchipped slaves.

    The Rockefellers and the Rothschilds must be stopped at any cost. They must either be arrested and charged with war crimes and genocide or killed and their assets siezed before it is too late. In addition their loyal helpers in government, George H. W. Bush, George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld must be arrested and tried as war criminals.

    Even though time is very short, these monsters can be stopped. If they are not stopped it will be the end of the world as we have known it very soon now.

    All reading this must demand that Congress immediately take actions to stop these people. You will probably see however,that they are unwilling to do this because they are themselves owned and controlled by these people.

    If that is the case then it will be up to the people. Spread this around the world. The more that know about this the more likely they can be stopped in time.

    For those that are interested in researching this a comprehensive book has been written by Jim Marrs “Rule By Secrecy”.

  • jopa

    Steve: Take a look back and review your history and you will find it was mainly the Republicans that fought for NAFTA and won.NAFTA was one of Reagan’s main political endeavors but it was the Republican controlled senate and house that pushed it through during the Clinton era.Clinton signed the bill in a trade off for more individual liberties for Americans.Look up the vote and you will see it was mainly Republicans.

  • jopa

    A couple of names that really stood out for wanting NAFTA, on the roll call vote were Newt the Grinch and Boehner.I wonder how that’s working for them now?Probably pretty good with their wealth estimated in the millions now.

  • JeffH

    “There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights.”- Marine General Smedley Butler.

  • Barbara

    Why is everyone playing the blame game. It’s history folks and you can’t change it BUT we can change the potential future by not allowing this Alinsky, Cloward & Priven Kenyan born Islamic Jihadist communist to rake us thru the coals by finishing us off in 4 more years to the point where we won’t recognize this great nation. What’s going to happen if this monster gets his way and everyone is reduced to living off the government and the government runs out of money. You’ll see a revolution that makes all the European and Arab uprisings look like a kids birthday party. Stand behind whomever gets the GOP nod. You might not be super happy about the choice but at least this person won’t be a dictator wannabe.

    • SMsgt Z(ret) Nam 68

      Are you a blond?

  • SMsgt Z(ret) Nam 68

    Robert and the rest of you alleged patriots. Donate to the USO ,Wounder Warrior etc,etc
    The next time a administration wants to put boots on the ground some were and there reasons do not hold up to close inspection PROTEST the
    F— ing thing or stop whining
    99%

  • TML

    “Imagine all the lives and money that could have been saved had we hit the Tora Bora mountain range with a string of nuclear bombs in 2001. No U.S. casualties, no trillion dollars wasted, no decade of political posturing. And, best of all, from Russia to China, from North Korea to Iran, the rest of the world would live in fear of what might happen to them if they messed with the Great Satan. How much more comforting it is to be feared rather than liked.”

    Very VERY slippery slope Mr. Ringer

    • SMsgt Z(ret) Nam 68

      Robert is a little slow you have to forgive him

  • Raggs

    Ok so i will post itv this way…
    With millions of dollars spent on the oblama vacations I truely hope that I will be paid back in full.

    • SMsgt Z(ret) Nam 68

      your whining

  • Raggs

    Yeah the government cares about little ole you?

    • SMsgt Z(ret) Nam 68

      So far they are doing a good job my retirement checks are on time,the military base close to my abode is staying open,there is a consumer protection agency that has a strong mandate.
      My sisters and brothers are coming home from Iraq and will be leaving Afghanistan soon.
      I’ve joined the 99% the great unwashed will overcome

  • Bob M

    unfortunately, no one is talking about invading the Nation’s capital
    WHY NOT?
    To a man,there is not a single person in government working in the interest of the people. Something needs to change

  • Rick

    For a long time I’ve said if you want to wage war your more then welcome to doing it as long as it’s you politicians willing to go and do the fighting.
    Protecting one’s homeland is one thing when it’s been attacked you go after the attackers and eliminate the threat.
    War is not some game you play on your I-Pad, computer or any other video game toy, It’s real men and woman being shot at bombed or bobby trapped and being maimed for life or killed.
    Who decided how the rules of engagement in battle should be played? Surely not the ones doing the fighting.
    I’ve felt sorry for the troops of today because their asked to fight under rules that the politicians want to call politically correct and I’m sorry that’s not in any way a reality for giving you the chance of survival in battle.
    I believe in every country the citizens of that nation should take a stand and tell their leaders if you can’t get along and you want to fight we’ll sell tickets and set up arena events where you can get you politically correct butt’s out on stage and do battle and the whole world can watch and see the outcome of your personal wars.
    Handing these political chumps who want to war a knife and a club and putting them in a battle ring sounds more then fair and think we can even set these events up to be televised for you.

  • easy80s

    I think I am a warrior,
    While others fight,
    Enjoying Hawaii,
    Having Bud lite.

    The warrior could be watching pro basketball on TV, too, or sharing a 19th hole drink with his progressive millionaire and billionaire Wall Street buddies and union associates.

  • Tazio2013

    Israel’s Nukes are Pointed at Iran. Joint US-Israel “Coordination” of Nuclear Weapons Deployment

    Israel rather than Iran is a threat to global security.

    Israel possesses 100-200 strategic nuclear warheads, which are fully deployed against Iran.

    Already in 2003, Washington and Tel Aviv confirmed that they were collaborating in “the deployment of US-supplied Harpoon cruise missiles armed with nuclear warheads in Israel’s fleet of Dolphin-class submarines.” (The Observer, 12 October 2003).

    According to Russian general Leonid Ivashov:

    The Israeli military and political circles had been making statements on the possibility of nuclear and missile strikes on Iran openly since October, 2006, when the idea was immediately supported by G. Bush. Currently [2007] it is touted in the form of a “necessity” of nuclear strikes. The public is taught to believe that there is nothing monstrous about such a possibility and that, on the contrary, a nuclear strike is quite feasible. Allegedly, there is no other way to “stop” Iran. (General Leonid Ivashov, Iran Must Get Ready to Repel a Nuclear Attack, Global Research, January 2007 emphasis added)

    It is worth noting that at the outset of Bush’s second term, Vice President Dick Cheney had hinted, in no uncertain terms, that Iran was “right at the top of the list” of the rogue enemies of America, and that Israel would, so to speak, “be doing the bombing for us”, without US military involvement and without us putting pressure on them “to do it”.

    In the above context, political analyst and historian Michael Carmichael has pointed to the integration and coordination of military decision-making between the US and Israel pertaining to the deployment of nuclear weapons:

    “Rather than a direct American nuclear strike against Iran’s hard targets, Israel has been given the assignment of launching a coordinated cluster of nuclear strikes aimed at targets that are the nuclear installations in the Iranian cities: Natanz, Isfahan and Arak.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=28355

    • bob wire

      With the exception of sending out several hit teams with clearly defined and selected individuals as targets, the Pueblo incident, policing of buffer zones or their incursion into Lebanon to clear out rogue artillery battery’s or squeezing Bruit and boxing in PLO leadership, their modern history is peaceful.

      Maybe if they were just left alone they would mind their own business? You think?

  • bob wire

    If memory serves, most of us raced to war without thinking twice about. What few of us that showed serious reservations and reluctance were ridiculed and labeled with unflattering terms like un American, unChristian, antimilitary, picko liberals,that were afraid to fight.

    This did not phase me as knew it false but what did affect me was the overwhelming climate of mindless people so quick to comment their children and resources to with no end game plan.

    We set here today blaming everyone but ourselves, which tells me we haven’t learned nothing.

    You’ve had the government you deserve to have. The Iraqi people had the government they deserved to have.

    Until we change, we can expect little change. From all of these posting and all the deferred guilt and blame, I see no change in the future. Spoiled self-righteousness Americans that don’t know how well you are blessed and make a profession out of complaining and assigning guilt and blame.

    I pulled out the movie “Hurt Locker” and watched it one more time last night. If you not see it, maybe you should.

    thehurtlocker-movie.com/

  • CommonSenseConservative

    Military-Industrial Complex Speech, Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1961

    ——————————————————————————–

    Public Papers of the Presidents, Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1960, p. 1035- 1040

    My fellow Americans:

    Three days from now, after half a century in the service of our country, I shall lay down the responsibilities of office as, in traditional and solemn ceremony, the authority of the Presidency is vested in my successor.

    This evening I come to you with a message of leave-taking and farewell, and to share a few final thoughts with you, my countrymen.

    Like every other citizen, I wish the new President, and all who will labor with him, Godspeed. I pray that the coming years will be blessed with peace and prosperity for all.

    Our people expect their President and the Congress to find essential agreement on issues of great moment, the wise resolution of which will better shape the future of the Nation.

    My own relations with the Congress, which began on a remote and tenuous basis when, long ago, a member of the Senate appointed me to West Point, have since ranged to the intimate during the war and immediate post-war period, and, finally, to the mutually interdependent during these past eight years.

    In this final relationship, the Congress and the Administration have, on most vital issues, cooperated well, to serve the national good rather than mere partisanship, and so have assured that the business of the Nation should go forward. So, my official relationship with the Congress ends in a feeling, on my part, of gratitude that we have been able to do so much together.

    II.

    We now stand ten years past the midpoint of a century that has witnessed four major wars among great nations. Three of these involved our own country. Despite these holocausts America is today the strongest, the most influential and most productive nation in the world. Understandably proud of this pre-eminence, we yet realize that America’s leadership and prestige depend, not merely upon our unmatched material progress, riches and military strength, but on how we use our power in the interests of world peace and human betterment.

    III.

    Throughout America’s adventure in free government, our basic purposes have been to keep the peace; to foster progress in human achievement, and to enhance liberty, dignity and integrity among people and among nations. To strive for less would be unworthy of a free and religious people. Any failure traceable to arrogance, or our lack of comprehension or readiness to sacrifice would inflict upon us grievous hurt both at home and abroad.

    Progress toward these noble goals is persistently threatened by the conflict now engulfing the world. It commands our whole attention, absorbs our very beings. We face a hostile ideology — global in scope, atheistic in character, ruthless in purpose, and insidious in method. Unhappily the danger is poses promises to be of indefinite duration. To meet it successfully, there is called for, not so much the emotional and transitory sacrifices of crisis, but rather those which enable us to carry forward steadily, surely, and without complaint the burdens of a prolonged and complex struggle — with liberty the stake. Only thus shall we remain, despite every provocation, on our charted course toward permanent peace and human betterment.

    Crises there will continue to be. In meeting them, whether foreign or domestic, great or small, there is a recurring temptation to feel that some spectacular and costly action could become the miraculous solution to all current difficulties. A huge increase in newer elements of our defense; development of unrealistic programs to cure every ill in agriculture; a dramatic expansion in basic and applied research — these and many other possibilities, each possibly promising in itself, may be suggested as the only way to the road we wish to travel.

    But each proposal must be weighed in the light of a broader consideration: the need to maintain balance in and among national programs — balance between the private and the public economy, balance between cost and hoped for advantage — balance between the clearly necessary and the comfortably desirable; balance between our essential requirements as a nation and the duties imposed by the nation upon the individual; balance between actions of the moment and the national welfare of the future. Good judgment seeks balance and progress; lack of it eventually finds imbalance and frustration.

    The record of many decades stands as proof that our people and their government have, in the main, understood these truths and have responded to them well, in the face of stress and threat. But threats, new in kind or degree, constantly arise. I mention two only.

    IV.

    A vital element in keeping the peace is our military establishment. Our arms must be mighty, ready for instant action, so that no potential aggressor may be tempted to risk his own destruction.

    Our military organization today bears little relation to that known by any of my predecessors in peacetime, or indeed by the fighting men of World War II or Korea.

    Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But now we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense; we have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. Added to this, three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. We annually spend on military security more than the net income of all United States corporations.

    This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence — economic, political, even spiritual — is felt in every city, every State house, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.

    In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

    We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.

    Akin to, and largely responsible for the sweeping changes in our industrial-military posture, has been the technological revolution during recent decades.

    In this revolution, research has become central; it also becomes more formalized, complex, and costly. A steadily increasing share is conducted for, by, or at the direction of, the Federal government.

    Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been overshadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing fields. In the same fashion, the free university, historically the fountainhead of free ideas and scientific discovery, has experienced a revolution in the conduct of research. Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity. For every old blackboard there are now hundreds of new electronic computers.

    The prospect of domination of the nation’s scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present

    and is gravely to be regarded.
    Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientifictechnological elite.

    It is the task of statesmanship to mold, to balance, and to integrate these and other forces, new and old, within the principles of our democratic system — ever aiming toward the supreme goals of our free society.

    V.

    Another factor in maintaining balance involves the element of time. As we peer into society’s future, we — you and I, and our government — must avoid the impulse to live only for today, plundering, for our own ease and convenience, the precious resources of tomorrow. We cannot mortgage the material assets of our grandchildren without risking the loss also of their political and spiritual heritage. We want democracy to survive for all generations to come, not to become the insolvent phantom of tomorrow.

    VI.

    Down the long lane of the history yet to be written America knows that this world of ours, ever growing smaller, must avoid becoming a community of dreadful fear and hate, and be instead, a proud confederation of mutual trust and respect.

    Such a confederation must be one of equals. The weakest must come to the conference table with the same confidence as do we, protected as we are by our moral, economic, and military strength. That table, though scarred by many past frustrations, cannot be abandoned for the certain agony of the battlefield.

    Disarmament, with mutual honor and confidence, is a continuing imperative. Together we must learn how to compose differences, not with arms, but with intellect and decent purpose. Because this need is so sharp and apparent I confess that I lay down my official responsibilities in this field with a definite sense of disappointment. As one who has witnessed the horror and the lingering sadness of war — as one who knows that another war could utterly destroy this civilization which has been so slowly and painfully built over thousands of years — I wish I could say tonight that a lasting peace is in sight.

    Happily, I can say that war has been avoided. Steady progress toward our ultimate goal has been made. But, so much remains to be done. As a private citizen, I shall never cease to do what little I can to help the world advance along that road.

    VII.

    So — in this my last good night to you as your President — I thank you for the many opportunities you have given me for public service in war and peace. I trust that in that service you find some things worthy; as for the rest of it, I know you will find ways to improve performance in the future.

    You and I — my fellow citizens — need to be strong in our faith that all nations, under God, will reach the goal of peace with justice. May we be ever unswerving in devotion to principle, confident but humble with power, diligent in pursuit of the Nation’s great goals.

    To all the peoples of the world, I once more give expression to America’s prayerful and continuing aspiration:

    We pray that peoples of all faiths, all races, all nations, may have their great human needs satisfied; that those now denied opportunity shall come to enjoy it to the full; that all who yearn for freedom may experience its spiritual blessings; that those who have freedom will understand, also, its heavy responsibilities; that all who are insensitive to the needs of others will learn charity; that the scourges of poverty, disease and ignorance will be made to disappear from the earth, and that, in the goodness of time, all peoples will come to live together in a peace guaranteed by the binding force of mutual respect and love.

  • CJM

    In order to boost the economy in ANY Nation, and that includes the United States, I have always heard the phrase: “We need another war.” Therefore, hearing that war is “big business” is not a surprise, so why is it news today? I do agree that going to war in order to defend one’s country is a given, as it should be. However, invading for the sake of expansionism (such as China, Korea, Germany, the Middle East) or forcing a new social order onto another society is wrong. When the folks from the Middle East (and the taliban, al quedas, muslim brotherhood are made up of members from every ME country) attacked the United States in 2001, we had every right to declare war on those factions. Had Bush done this and sent a strong message in Afghanistan (sans political correctness) we would not be in the mess we are in today–and I do mean using a nuke to make the message loud and clear–and more than likely obama would not be in the Oval Office. The problem we have is that both Bush and obama, along with most congressional and cabinet members, decided to use political correctness in fighting this war. It is patently obvious that political correctness has NO place in this or any other society. Does anyone harbor the foolish notion that the enemy we fight today is using any form of political correctness? If so, they are fools indeed.

  • Patriot

    Great article Robert.

  • Jay

    “Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes. And armies, and debts, and taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few.

    In war, too, the discretionary power of the Executive is extended. Its influence in dealing out offices, honors, and emoluments is multiplied; and all the means of seducing the minds, are added to those of subduing the force of the people. The same malignant aspect in republicanism may be traced in the inequality of fortunes, and the opportunities of fraud, growing out of a state of war . . . and in the degeneracy of manners and morals, engendered by both. No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare.” -James Madison, April 20, 1795

  • simian pete

    Mr. Tortoise,

    Weapons are getting $cheaper$ to manufacture and buy. The US MIB has enjoyed huge profit margins over the past decades.

    It takes to darn long to develop a weapon system and to much money (look at the F-35 fighter as an example). DEFENSE Industries in other countries have caught up in will pass Uncle Sam’s MIB ….

    How ? THEY WILL CHARGE lower prices ! PLUS THAT’S NOT ALL !!! FASTER WEAPON DEVELOPMENT ! Instead of decades (like the f-35) of developing it will take them years or even a few months …

    Look at all the engineering BRAIN POWER in ASIA . Just a matter of time. Look at how $cheap$ Sweden’s Gripen is compared to the F-35 … You sure can get more bang for the buck from the Swedes, Russians, Chinese, and India’s defense industry !!!!

    Once these countries ramp up defense production, you can say goodbye to the USA’s defense industry….

  • Steven Jokinen

    The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground. History, in general, only informs us what bad government is. A wise and frugal government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor and bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government. Most bad government has grown out of too much government. The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them. Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want bread. The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government. Thomas Jefferson 1776 Lets start the revolution !!!!

  • Donald Moore

    Greetings:
    Both Ike & John Kennedy were ex-military and didn’t want much involvement in Vietnam. It was Johnson that blew that war up…and that has been the pattern ever since.
    We not only need a “new set” of people in Washington but also term limits and limits on contributions. We can jump up & down all we want but if those don’t happen we will continue to have corrupt career politions that are more concerned with getting re-elected than our country’s or our own welfare. I’m sure many have seen the movie “Distinguished Gentlemean.” What would shock people is….that it’s much worse in Washington than that.

  • Bert Cundle Sr.

    This is my ecco returning to mem 50 years later… (Must include State!)

  • Frank

    What US is doing is to force all nations to go nuclear to feel secure. I can see a total destruction of this planet because of what we are doing. This is the mission of extermination of human races carrying down from God to the the ancestor of Russian, to the British Loyal family, and now into the White House.

    Israel is now governed by the British speaking Jew’s language. Instead of being exterminated by German, the Jews are giving a choice of killing for them rather than being killed.

    Objective of the Vietnam war was to destroy their agricultural economy and ensure the country falling in the hand of the communists. Other stories are simply for distraction.

    Tagging war with cost is just excuse. For war, there is no stop now by all means.

  • Santiago

    it is amazing how despite the tremendous technological and knowledge development the human kind has achieved, it still behaves exactly the same the aggressive ones of the caves age.

    • Bert Cundle Sr.

      Wisdom has servived Violance… Knoledge has grown… Yet Religions still strong… The Past Legons govern as God? ” In 4100 The Gods will have said 2000 years ago: Motor Cyclest Must Wear Helmits.

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