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9/11 Questions (Almost) Nobody’s Asking

September 5, 2011 by  

9/11 Questions (Almost) Nobody’s Asking

Sunday will mark the 10-year anniversary of the 9/11 attacks. And although the official version of what happened that day has more holes than a Revolutionary soldier’s sock in Valley Forge, it is now accepted as fact and without question.

The reason for this goes back to what I wrote last week in Prima Facie. There is no inquiry by the American people. What their “leaders” feed them is automatically believed to be true.

Conventional wisdom has it that 19 hijackers of Middle Eastern origin — primarily Saudi Arabians — outwitted the vast United States intelligence network and the worldwide intelligence network for months while preparing to carry out the largest attack ever on American soil. The attack was planned from Afghanistan by a bunch of cave-dwellers and financed by the son of a Saudi billionaire who had an ax to grind with America for occupying Muslim holy ground.

The 19 hijackers conducted extensive training, including learning to fly — but not land — airplanes so they could pull off the attacks. The hijackers split into four teams and, armed only with box cutters, each overpowered the crew and a planeload of passengers and hijacked a plane. There weren’t 20 hijackers and four equal teams because one of the hijackers, Zacarias Moussaoui, was in jail in Minnesota on an immigration violation.

During the ordeal, passengers used cell phones and airplane seat-back phones to call loved ones to tell them of their plight.

After two of the planes struck the towers of the World Trade Center and erupted into huge fireballs, the passport of one of the accused hijackers was found, intact, lying on the sidewalk, virtually unsinged and undamaged but soaked in jet fuel. This “lead” put the FBI on the trail of the hijackers and their co-conspirators right away.

The fires resulting from the crash, fed by jet fuel, brought down the two towers within hours and even brought down an adjacent building that was undamaged by the planes and had sustained only minimal fire damage.

In a field over Shanksville, Pa., a group of passengers decided to overpower their hijackers and regain control of the plane. One of the passengers, Todd Beamer, uttered the now famous words, “Are you guys ready? Let’s roll,” according to a customer service representative Beamer had reached while using a credit card phone in the back of an airplane seat.

As the passengers wrestled with hijackers for control, the aircraft plunged into the ground in a field and disintegrated into millions of pieces, most of which were small enough to fit into a carry-on bag. The largest piece found at the site was a section of fuselage about the size of a car hood. A section of the engine was found more than a mile away, and debris from the crash was found as far as eight miles away, blown there by the prevailing 10-mph winds after being tossed into the air by the crash.

The fourth airliner crashed into the Pentagon’s wall, leaving an impact hole about 20 feet wide and only slightly higher. Again, only small fragments of the plane remained after the crash and ensuing fire.

Although the South Tower of the WTC was the second to be struck at 9:02 a.m., it fell first, pancaking down in its own footprint approximately 57 minutes after the plane flew into it between the 78th and 84th floors. About 29 minutes later the North Tower of the WTC collapsed. It came down at 10:28 a.m., one hour and 42 minutes after it was struck between the 94th and 98th floors. It also fell straight down into its own footprint.

The attacks killed 2,996 people: airline passengers, building occupants, rescue workers and the hijackers.

By 3:30 p.m. CIA Director George Tenet had fingered Osama bin Laden as the culprit (thanks to the miraculous find of the terrorist passport), telling President George W. Bush and his National Security team that a check of the passenger manifests had turned up the names of three known al-Qaida operatives.

At 5:20 p.m. WTC Building 7 collapsed. It had suffered only minimal fire damage, but the official word is that fire caused the building to come down.

Three days later, Bush was standing atop a pile of rubble at ground zero making a speech through a bullhorn. A rescue worker yelled out that he couldn’t hear Bush. Bush spontaneously replied, “I can hear you! I can hear you! The rest of the world hears you! And the people—and the people who knocked these buildings down will hear all of us soon!”

On Oct. 7, less than a month after four hijacked airliners crashed into the WTC, the Pentagon and a field, the “War on Terror” began in Afghanistan with the purported goal of dismantling the al-Qaida terror network and finding and killing bin Laden.

On Oct. 26, 2001, Bush signed into law the Uniting (and) Strengthening America (by) Providing Appropriate Tools Required (to) Intercept (and) Obstruct Terrorist Act of 2001; aka the USA PATRIOT Act. The Act passed the house by 357-66 and the Senate by 98-1.

On Nov. 27, 2002, a commission called the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States (9/11 Commission) was formed to “prepare a full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001 attacks.” It was also charged with looking into preparedness and response to the attacks.

The commission issued its final report and closed on Aug. 21, 2004. In a nutshell, it blamed failures on the part of the CIA and the FBI and said had the agencies acted more wisely and more aggressively, the attacks could have been prevented.

Case closed for the media and the vast majority of the American public.

But there are questions, many questions. And fewer and fewer are they who are asking.

In the months leading up to 9/11, the United States’ vaunted intelligence agencies lost track of 19 foreigners, most of whom had overstayed their visas, and could not catch up to them even though some of them were living with FBI informants and others were enrolling in flight schools where they sought to learn to fly — but not land — airplanes. They were living the high life and not showing any evidence of trying to hide. In July 2001, according to an article in Germany’s daily Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, U.S. and Israeli intelligence agencies received warning signals through the Echelon spy network that Middle Eastern terrorists were planning to hijack commercial aircraft to use as weapons against important symbols of American and Israeli culture. Yet we are told the attacks came as a complete surprise. How could this happen?

Recent papers released by WikiLeaks indicate that in the weeks before 9/11, American intelligence services were on the trail of another group of five men with terrorist ties who were staying in California. They slipped away in the days after 9/11. Were they a fifth team of hijackers who did not complete their mission for some reason? How were they able to escape the massive U.S. dragnet?

Two days before the 9/11 attacks, the “Lion of Panjshir,” Ahmad Shah Massoud Khayin, who was the leader of the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan, was assassinated by two suicide bombers posing as journalists. In the early morning hours of Sept. 11, a van occupied by Middle Eastern men pulled up to The Colony Beach and Tennis Resort in Florida, where Bush was staying. They said they were there to interview the President, but didn’t have an appointment. They were turned away. Are these two incidents related?

Two hours before the planes slammed into the Twin Towers, two employees of the Israeli instant messaging service Odigo received messages warning of the coming attacks, according to the Israeli publication Haaretz. Who sent the messages and why? Who else was warned ahead of the attacks?

At 8:44 a.m., during a working breakfast on missile defense with Congressional leaders, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld predicted a terrorist attack would come, saying, “Let me tell you. I’ve been around the block a few times. There will be another event.” Did he know about the attack in advance?

How did that passport of Satam al-Suqami survive the crash? The plane was exploded into a giant fireball upon impact with WTC 1. Yet the passport exited his pocket or luggage and fell unharmed to the ground near the tower, where it was spotted by a passerby and turned over to police despite the bedlam going on all around? How is it that his was the only identification found out of all the passengers on the plane?

At 8:50 a.m., four minutes after the first plane struck, Tenet was made aware of the crash and realized it was no accident. Yet there is no indication he made an effort to stop Bush from making a scheduled appearance at Booker Elementary School in Florida, despite the danger he may have been facing were a highly coordinated attack being carried out. Before entering the classroom, Bush paused to speak with then National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice. Later, Bush said he learned of the first crash before entering the classroom when he saw the plane crash into the building on television. There was no video of the first crash until much later in the day, and the school principal said there was no television in the area that Bush could have seen anyway. Why this discrepancy? Was Bush lying?

According to media reports, a number of the passengers on the hijacked airliners supposedly used cellphones to call loved ones and authorities. But cellphone technology in 2001 didn’t allow the use of phones above 10,000 feet. How were the calls possible?

Witnesses reported seeing a white jet that looked like a fighter plane trailing United Airlines Flight 93, and a sonic boom was reported in the area over Pennsylvania. Was there a second plane? If so, where did it come from?

Some witnesses also reported seeing Flight 93 on fire before it crashed into the field. Why were these witnesses hushed up and why weren’t they allowed to testify for the 9/11 Commission? What was the plane they saw and did it shoot down Flight 93 upon orders from Vice President Dick Cheney?

If the plane flew into the ground intact, how did a large portion of the engine fall more than a mile away from the crash site? How did lighter debris wind up as far as eight miles away?

In the days following the attacks, at least 60 Israeli citizens were arrested and held secretly — some of them with ties to Israeli military and intelligence. Fox News’ Carl Cameron was the first mainstream reporter to break the news. It was weeks later before other mainstream news outlets picked up on it. His four-part series that provided evidence that the Israelis had foreknowledge of the 9/11 attacks has been scrubbed from Fox News’ website. Who were these Israelis, what did they know and what became of them? Why did Fox News scrub the stories?

The North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) is tasked with protecting American airspace. Yet even though the Federal Aviation Administration notified NORAD of the hijacking of American Airlines Flight 11 at 8:38 a.m. and other flights in the minutes that followed, it wasn’t until long after the last plane hit the ground that NORAD planes showed up. Where were they and why did NORAD sit on news of the hijacked planes for several minutes (which NORAD admits to but won’t explain) before scrambling any fighters?

When the 9/11 Commission tried to get answers to these questions, NORAD stonewalled and its representatives lied. What were they covering up and why? Why do they continue to stonewall to this day?

Firefighters and reporters arriving on the scene of the WTC fires claim to have heard numerous explosions before the buildings collapsed. What caused the explosions? Were they deliberately set to bring down the twin towers?

How did fires cause two skyscrapers to fall? It’s the first time fire ever brought down a skyscraper, and it happened to three buildings in one day. Why did they pancake down as if in a controlled demolition? If fire weakened the support beams, as the official stories suggest, why didn’t the towers fall to one side or the other rather than pancake down as if in a controlled event? Many engineers and architects at say it could not have happened as we’re told. Why are they being ignored? Better yet, if these architects and engineers are lying about their theories, ask yourself what they stand to gain from lying and what is their motive?

Traces of an explosive called thermite were found in the rubble of the WTC and melted steel was found beneath the columns. What is the source of the thermite and what caused the steel to liquefy? Burning jet fuel does not reach a temperature high enough to liquefy steel.

What caused WTC Building 7 to fall?

The maneuver required to fly an airliner at the trajectory of the one that hit the Pentagon would be difficult for an experienced pilot, and some of the air traffic controllers watching the flight believed it to be a military aircraft at the time. How did a terrorist with limited — and by all accounts very poor — flying ability pull off such a maneuver without crashing into the ground prior to reaching the Pentagon?

Why was the hole in the Pentagon wall too small to accommodate an airliner — both in width and height? Why were no identifiable parts of a Boeing 757 found at the crash site? Why was an engine turbofan from an A3 Skywarrior found at the crash scene? If Flight 77 did not crash into the Pentagon, what happened to it and its passengers and crew?

In the weeks and months after the attack, men alleged to have been the hijackers and supposed to have died in the attacks began turning up alive. At least seven of them have been seen since 9/11 and one was found to have died prior to 9/11 in an airplane crash. What is the explanation for this?

Why did Bush begin talking to cabinet members about attacking Iraq while the Afghanistan attack was being formulated?

If we attacked Afghanistan with the intention of defeating al-Qaida and killing Osama bin Laden, why are we still there? Al-Qaida is no longer in Afghanistan and bin Laden is reportedly dead.

Why did the Pentagon participate in a cover-up and attempt to mislead the 9/11 Commission?

Why do members of the 9/11 Commission believe there are still many unanswered questions regarding the events of that day? Why did Commission members say they believed the Commission was set up to fail? Why have there been no charges of obstruction filed against those who stonewalled and lied to the Commission?

Did someone or someones in government or within some shadowy quasi-governmental agency participate in or facilitate the attacks? Was it a coup against the Bush regime? Could that explain Bush’s seeming confusion and his trips crisscrossing the Southern portion of the U.S. before going back to Washington, D.C.? What other lies are we being told?

Why aren’t you asking some of these same questions?

(Other sources include:,,,, 9/11 Synthetic Terror: Made In USA.)

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American and author of The Bob Livingston Letter™, founded in 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • s c

    After reading your article, Bob, I have but two questions. 1) are we living in a utopia? If we are, this sucks.
    2) are we slaves? I’m not wearing chains, but I do have the strangest feeling that this is what the newest form of slavery is (when you don’t wear chains, but the net effect is a strong sense that you’re going to be a slave for the rest of your life). Either way, I don’t like it. Both options truly suck.

    • susie

      You asked questions that I have been wanting to ask and receive a truthful answer to for years. Slavery, my brother this is Modern Day Slavery (modern)we all are bounded. Can’t you see it, I do. Can’t you feel, I most definately do. What we need right now is to come together as PEOPLE, because “THE PEOPLE” are not doing anything good for us, in my opinion.

      • Gary Davis

        “How did that passport of Satam al-Suqami survive the crash? The plane was exploded into a giant fireball upon impact with WTC 1. Yet the passport exited his pocket or luggage and fell unharmed to the ground near the tower, where it was spotted by a passerby and turned over to police despite the bedlam going on all around? How is it that his was the only identification found out of all the passengers on the plane?”

        From account of sinking of HMS Hood by the Bismarck in 1941:

        Ted Briggs, on the compass platform near the bridge, recalls a huge sheet of flame followed by Hood listing rapidly. When the list reached 30 degrees Briggs realised that “she was not coming back”.[3] Briggs states that no order was given to abandon ship and that he found himself in the water about 50 yards (46 m) from Hood as her B-Turret went under after he made it only half way down the ladder leading to the bridge. He also could remember how the compass master had stood on the platform “tall and fearless” as the water pulled him down. Briggs himself attempted to swim away from the vessel but was pulled under by her as she started toward the ocean bottom. Briggs remembers struggling, giving up hope, and then miraculously being propelled to the surface. This was probably the result of air escaping from the ship, possibly the bridge windows collapsing and releasing trapped air. After spending three hours in the water and near dead from hypothermia, he was rescued by HMS Electra. ~ (

        At least three airmen survived free falls of around 20,000 ft (6,000 m) without a parachute in the Second World War; Lt. I.M. Chisov was a Russian bomber pilot, Sgt. Alan Magee was an American gunner on a B-17, and Sgt. Nicholas Alkemade was a British gunner on a Lancaster bomber. It is estimated that a person free falling in the “box” position reaches a terminal velocity of around 120 mph (200 km/h) after a fall of just 1,000 ft (300 m), so the additional 19,000 ft (5,700 m) doesn’t make these falls that much more dangerous, apart from the lack of oxygen at high altitude. All three men lost consciousness during their falls, and two of them landed on terrain covered in deep snow, which was probably a significant factor in the survivability of the falls.

        Vesna Vuloviæ, a flight attendant from Yugoslavia, survived a fall from 10,160 m (33,330 ft) when the DC-9 airplane she was traveling in blew up over Srbská Kamenice, Czechoslovakia, on January 26, 1972. She remained strapped into her flight attendant’s seat in the tail section of the plane, which remained attached to the washrooms. The assembly struck the snow-covered flank of a mountain. A terrorist bomb was thought to be the cause. Vuloviæ broke both legs and was temporarily paralyzed from the waist down. No other passengers survived.

        As can be seen from the above, many things happen that cannot be expected, yet fall within the realm of “explicable”. And if a man can be saved from being dragged down hundreds of feet to his death underwater by a pocket of air being released by shattering windows, or if an air hostess can plummet 33,000 feet and survive, why should it be regarded as “impossible” that a passport survived, after having been thrown clear?

        As for debris being found up to eight miles away from Flight 93, it is surely worth remembering that hijackers put the aircraft into several steep climbs and dives in order to try and prevent the passengers taking over the cockpit, before – as the Flight Deck Recorder reveals – the hijackers decided to smash into the ground rather than lose control.
        As the plane crashed upside down at about 550 MPH and in a 40 degree dive, there is every chance that one or more panels may have become loosened, one being sucked into an engine, causing an explosion and/or causing the engine to shear off. See for more details.

        As for “firemen hearing explosions”; there are ample cases where unexpectedly loud noises – such as would be the case as floors above or below the firemen suddenly collapsing, leading to intolerable strain on the girders and causing a House of Cards collapse – being misconstrued, even by professionals. Personally, I was on a ship’s bridge when the lookout, a man of thirteen years’ experience, exclaimed he could see a UFO, in broad daylight. Several pairs of binoculars trained on to the object, and the object was estimated by another trained observer (between three and five years’ experience) to be approximately fifty feet across and about ten nautical miles away, flying at about two hundred fifty knots and performing sudden changes of direction. The object then turned toward the ship and resolved into – a sea bird, which had never been more than a mile away, that had reflected the bright afternoon sun off its underside and flanks!
        There are also cases from WWII Britain (Wales), where veterans of the Western Front Battles of the Great War told people there was a Naval Gunfire barrage taking place off he coast, and hundreds of people had climbed the mountain, only to discover that the “gunfire” was actually the fins of the barrage balloons flapping in the heavy wind, and hitting – and being amplified by – the main body of the barrage balloon!

        I could probably go through and find answers from the net for each and every point raised here; but as I am preaching to bunch of people who would probably rather believe that Dubya (and before him Nixon, Ford, Reagan and Bush Sr) orchestrated the attacks, it seems pointless.
        Strangely enough, these people seem less agitated by the fact that Obama has stated he no longer needs Congress to back him declaring War, as the UN has given him approval; strange too that he pushes through Laws that Congress and the Representatives reject, by making them Executive Orders, in contravention of US Law. Get agitated about those things, people!

        • Clay

          Thank You Gary, I must commend you for your comments. I have spent the last 2 9/11 anniverseries shredding conspiracy theories. Several things to add: the AA 11 terrorists were either in, or in the vicinity of the cockpit, the fuel is in the center of the aircraft. AA11 hit the N tower at approx 460 mph, peircing the tower and expelling plane parts and other debris out of the opposite side of the tower before the fireball ignited. Jet fuel is difficult to ignite and undoubtably some of the fuel was expelled before igniting. The official version of why WTC 7 collapsed is that it was damaged by the collapse of WTC 1 & that flaming debris from WTC 1 struck WTC 7 causing fires to start while similtaneously the fire suppression system was compromised by damage. WTC 7 did not collapse until 5:20 pm. Finally, any conspiracy theory that you can come up with would have to involve hundreds if not thousands of people from across the spectrum of governmental agencies: local, state and federal. Except for hollywood garbage where anything is possible there is absolutely no possibility that all of these people would remain silent. As a veteran I say to any of you who state or imply that the U.S. military was involved; F*ck You A**hole!!! come say that to my face!!! obviously you know nothing about the U.S. military. The oath of enlistment states: I [state your name] do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the U.S. against all enemies, foreign and domestic. That I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same… While there are certainly personnel in the military who do not fully understand the oath the majority do, especially the senior NCO’s like myself who volunteered to serve because we love our country and the constitution is the heart and soul of our country. I deeply distrust the government with solid, logical reasons for that distrust. However, there is not a single conspiracy theory that I have seen that is even remotely plausible [except in h-wood and tv garbage]. If you think rank and file military would conspire to murder americans you are a MORON!!! There is no possibilty that an A-3 flew into the Pentagon in broad daylight. I lived in Arlington,VA for 10 yrs before joining the military,[i'm not a mil brat]it is loaded with military personnel from across the spectrum, many of whom would have noticed an A-3 bomber flying at low altitude. You conspiracy theorists are going to have to work much, much harder on your hollwood induced fantasies to convince me to that 9/11 was an inside job.

          • Clay

            Sorry, I was distracted at the end and got sloppy. I’m certain that intelligent people can understand what I meant.

          • Clay

            P.P.S., Look closely at the picture of WTC 1 collapsing that accompanies this article. I have watched several dozen controlled demolitions, several of them live. This clearly is not a controlled demolition. Immediately before the collapse Frank DeMartini, the port authority contruction chief who was murdered when WTC 1 collapsed, reported hearing the beams in the central core creaking and stated that he thought it was going to collapse. It is interesting that conspiracy theorists like to quote Mr. DeMartini stating that the WTTs were designed to survive a plane crash, but you never hear them speak about him stating that the building was going to collapse. Of course he would have said that the buildings could survive a plane crash, only a complete dunce [which he by all accounts was most certainly not] would publicly state that the towers might be vulnerable to a plain crash. Also, just watched 9/11 science and conspiracy on natgeo. According to this show I probably underestimated how many people an inside job would have required. Several people on this show beleive it would have taken thousands of people.

          • Tom Anderson

            Dear Clay,

            Is the US Military a threat to the USA and complicit in the murder of its citizens? I don’t know – I don’t have any first hand knowledge of that.

            But I DO KNOW of Operation Northwoods – The VERY HIGHEST COMMAND LEVELS of the US Military were complicit in planning and authorizing the murder of US Citizens! It is all well documented – the plan has been declassified. Go READ IT! I repeat GO READ IT!

            It is rumored that JFK fired Joint Chief of Staff, General Lemnitzer, over proposing that plan. JFK said he would split the CIA into a thousand pieces, instead his brain was a thousand specks on the trunk of his Lincoln – best murder LBJ ever was involved in.

            Got a bone to pick with me? Then ignore me, but go read the presidential farewell addresses of our MOST ILLUSTRIOUS Generals and Presidents – Eisenhower and General Washington. Both warned in their farewell speeches of the horrendous threat that our OWN MILITARY posed to the USA and our constitutional republic.

            When our beloved nation finally falls completely it will NOT be to a bunch of rag heads or commies. Our own US Military will be the instrument of the downfall of our nation – Ike and Washington BOTH saw it exactly that way.

            The MILITARY takeover nearly was accomplished during the FDR administration – it was ONLY because of General Smedley Butler’s patriotism that the plot was foiled – otherwise we would be living today under a military dictatorship with US soldiers rounding up us Ron Paul supporters.

            I am a TRUE BELIEVER in the 2nd amendment, except, perhaps we should NOT trust our own military with weapons – only lowly citizens should be allowed to pack! Let our soldiers carry swords – that would help prevent the massively increasing suicide rates in our military.

            I always want US citizens BETTER ARMED than the US Military!

            Those were US Army tanks which killed those kids and citizens in Waco!!!

            As I recall, it was General Butler ( two time medal of honor ) who said that the US Military was a “racket”.

          • Clay

            Tom, your selective knowledge of history is almost is almost as bad as your reading comprehension skills. Where to start?
            I do not need to read about Northwoods or Ike or the great George Washington. I knew about them before 9/11
            Operation Northwoods was never likely to be executed. One of the specific reasons why is because the senior officers did not believe that RANK AND FILE [O-4 to E-1 [my def]] military members would follow orders that resulted in the murder of U.S. citizens. There is a tape recording from the Kennedy white house of senior admin officials discussing this very point.
            Secondly, Ike was warning us about these same educated criminal idiots who brought us Northwoods, Bay of Pigs, Tonkin Gulf, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, etc… Lead by the overeducated criminal moron R. Mcnamara [one should always be wary of so-called brilliant people, they have a long history of flawed logic and reasoning, eg,. our current professor in chief.] These same criminal actions resulted in profound fundamental changes to our military structure, the results of which make it extremely unlikey for these criminal actions to be repeated.
            Most of the founding fathers warned of the dangers of maintaining standing armies. They did so because of the lessons learned from europe up to that point and had sound, logical reasons for these warnings which I acknowledge and accept.
            Every single service member today [and pre 9-11] receives mandatory yearly briefings on the law of warfare. This briefing states clearly and unequivically that it is ILLEGAL TO FOLLOW AN ILLEGAL ORDER, that if you do so you are conducting an illegal criminal act and that you WILL be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Furthermore if you conduct actions that an ordinary person would reasonably perceive to be a criminal act then you will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. I have personally seen this carried out. The military does not play games; they will crucify rank and file members even for perceived crimes, eg,.SEALs prosecutted for alledgedly punching captured al-quaeda member. Inexplicably, Generals and Admirals seem to be exempted from prosecution for anything but the most egregious of crimes.
            FDR was a criminal fascist himself. He violated the constition more times than any president in U.S. history. The likelihood of the U.S. military or veterans conducting a coup are extremely slim. We are the only major nation in the world that has never had a military coup.
            I believe that Waco, Ruby Ridge, etc… are criminal travesties of
            justice. The military vehicles at Waco were obtained under false pretenses [drug raid] Except for the TNG helicopters the vehicles were operated by feds not the military. They were combat engineer vehicles and armored personell carriers, not tanks.
            Lastly, I swore an oath to the constitution of the United States of America. Like the majority of service members that I know, That oath stays with me to the grave. If you read the oath you will notice that it states all enemies foreign and DOMESTIC & that I will bear TRUE FAITH AND ALLEGIANCE TO THE SAME. We are sworn to die protecting our constitution in it’s entirety against ANYONE who threatens it for any reason and expected to know the constitution itself, so as not to follow someone’s flawed interpretation or intentional distortion of it.

            AVERAGE JOE PATRIOT, unfortunately your comments are not specific enough or well thought out enough to be worthy of reply.

            Once again: ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE IN THE HOLLYWOOD GARBAGE FANTASY WORLD. If you can produce one logical, well reasoned theory about 9/11 that exists within the realm of possibility, I’m all ears until then don’t waste my time

          • Tom Anderson

            Dear Clay,

            Your comments make it clear that you are an intelligent and educated fellow. But your illogical statements about military disobeying the constitution shows that your close association with the military has blinded you to what is clear to everyone else.

            1) Soldiers told NOT to obey an illegal order? Give me a break! Clearest and most recent example are the THOUSANDS of US military who have participated in and executed an illegal and unconstitutional war in assisting NATO in the toppling of Ghaddafi. If you think a SINGLE one of those military law breakers is going to face a court martial then you need to be smoking some better stuff. Has even ONE of those military men disobeyed the order to execute that unconstitutional war? Please name ONE! NO! They ALL obey an illegal and unconstitutional order from the POTUS.

            2) Pat Tillman? I don’t know the full story. But two things are VERY clear. His uniform and personal effects (evidence in a potential homocide) were burned against all military regulations and protocol. The officer who burned the uniform was never even reprimanded, let alone, punished.

            3) More on Tillman – Gen. McKrystal lied in face-to-face with Pat’s mother. The General KNEW he had not died as the military was then portraying it. Did the General get punished? NO! He got promoted! Pat’s mother, to this day, says that they have gotten ONLY LIES from the military about their son/hero.

            4) A more personal example is a distant naval officer family member of mine who was shot in the back on a ship by a deranged sailor with a 12 gauge shotgun. No court martial ever was called for that murder. The military has showered the family with “gifts” to make up for the “unfortunate accident”.

            NO! The ONE thing that you can count on with the US Military is that THEY WILL FOLLOW ORDERS. They will NOT wait for some legal advice about whether a particular order is lawful or constitutional. How can YOU believe otherwise?

            Obviously, you consider yourself a much smarter military man than Ike. HE gave STERN warning about the threat from our own military but you think that we should pooh-pooh his uninformed and antiquated ideas?

            So, let me ask you – when our empire does eventually fall, WHICH group will be responsible for enforcing the “new” order. Will it be the Taliban, the Mexicans, the Commies? Ike and I know that it will be the good old US Military obeying orders from their commander.

            Posse Comitatus is dead – it certainly died at WACO and the path is fully open for a military takeover the the USA. Laugh at this?

            Both Japan and Germany were Democratic Republics just like us before the takeover by organizations of their military – THAT is exactly the same way we will fall – and the US military will be the enforcers for the New World Order – COUNT ON IT!

            Our GREATEST potential enemy is the US Military! Just a single low-level atomic bomb detonated in the USA and we will feel the full wrath and boot of the US Military – Ron Paul supporters will all be “relocated” to “secure camps” – The military will confiscate all of our fire arms.

            Are you an “Oath Keeper”? I respect and honor them, but all the rest of the military I distrust and fear.

          • Stan

            Clay on Sept 11 at 6:11 says:

            “If you can produce one logical, well reasoned theory about 9/11 that exists within the realm of possibility, I’m all ears until then don’t waste my time.”

            Wouldn’t it make more sense to look at the facts of a matter first, and then entertain theories about it?

            Some facts about 9/11:

            * Some of the firefighters are on video describing how they heard explosions coming from (at least) one of the towers like a vertical series of planted charges – “Bam bam bam bam” (gesturing downwards) – and then the tower came down. Another of them described seeing and hearing charges going off around one of the buildings like firecrackers – or like timed demolition charges.

            * Traces of thermite/thermate have been found in the debris.

            * Over 1500 architects and engineers (at have gone on record as declaring that those buildings – including WTC7 – couldn’t have come down the way the official story has them coming down. And indeed, NIST simply chose not to try to explain the ‘collapse’ of WTC7.

            I could go on, but my point is that there is a ton of evidence that 9/11 was not the event that the public has been led to believe that it was.

            I have my opinions about all this. But that is all that they are; and I won’t waste your time by stating them. In the meantime, I would encourage you to look at that whole thing – that whole thing – out of a less biased eye. And accept that maybe, just maybe, a truly independent investigation of ALL the facts about 9/11 would not be a waste of your time.

          • Clay

            Thank you Stan! In googling ae9/11, which I haven’t seen in a long time, I found ae9/11truthdebunked. Wow, what a tome of information!
            I have spent at least 100 hrs analyzing 9/11. In particular I have watched 102 minutes that Changed America about 20 times. Most of my analyses is based on watching and analyzing video footage and listening to 911 phonecall recordings etc… On previous 9/11 aniversaries I had looked at most of the conspiracy sites and videos. From a scientific standpoint, there isn’t a single one of them that I cannot readily debunk. My father is a mechanical engineer/architect. His primary field is designing and constructing power plants. My maternal Grandfather who was my real father figure, taught high school science and history. In the army among many other things, I was selected to go to the Special Forces Operations and Intelligence course in Fort Bragg. Among many other things, this course trains SF soldiers to collect and analyze intelligence, so that when we are forward deployed we have our own internal intelligence gathering capability. I am highly qualified to analyze 9/11. I think about what I say and I mean what I say. Speaking of which I must apologize for the aggressive nature of some of my previous posts. On my 9/12 post I had drunk some beer and whiskey with a fellow vet and watched 102 mins that changed America and I was emotional and pissed off. I have worked with Delta, Seals, Rangers, SAS, FSK, Royal Marine Commandos, Paratroopers from across the globe and just about everybody in between. Despite the way we are dishonestly and completely innacurately portrayed in almost all tv and hollywood nonsensical, insulting, degrading garbage fantasy BS: in reality we are highly intelligent, compassionate and principled human beings. Movies like to degrade and insult us by portraying us as unemotional machines. At times it is necessary for us to be that way, but underneath we are still the same as who we allways were. I am a quadruple volunteer. I didn’t volunteer to go thru all of that crap, just to be the minion of an egocentric psychopath [which is what anyone who could conceive of an operation like 9/11 would necessarily be,] nor did anybody else who I served with. I have quite a few friends who are fireman [I would love to be one now but my body is too beat up] they are just like us. So, when people accuse us, AND THAT IS WHAT 9/11 TRUTHERS ARE DOING!, of murdering our fellow citizens, I take that very personally.
            Best Wishes Clay

          • Stan

            Dear Clay,

            I hear, and understand, your anger, and resentment. I also get the degree of cognitive dissonance you are under even to entertain the very idea that the official conspiracy theory about 9/11 is not the correct, or at least not the total, one. But please know that I, for one, and all the people I know of interested in this matter and of a similar persuasion about it – that We the People have not been told the whole truth about it – do not blame the military for 9/11. This appalling event has all the earmarks of coming from higher up the ‘chain of command’ – in or out of the official chain – than that.

            In any event: I hope I join you in continuing to look into this extremely important matter, and subjecting the evidence to a cool, clear, rational eye.

            We may, in the end, have to agree to disagree, in interpreting all the evidence. But that possible disagreement in no way diminishes my appreciation for, and respect for, your service and sense of dedication to this country.

        • Average Joe Patriot

          Good outline, Bob, even though you can’t cover the half of it here.

          And nice diversion from the topic Gary and Clay. See if we can get everybody arguing about where Obama was born.

          But the fact is that three unexplained, first-time-ever in history collapses of steel buildings, one huge plane that supposedly disappeared into a small hole in the side of the Pentagon, and massive evidence of clumsy cover-up, all occurred in a very short span of time. All of these point to an agenda, not some accidental fluke. Sure people have survived falling from airplanes, but I fail to see what in the world that has to do with 9/11; it’s just another diversion, another way of saying go on home folks, nothing to see here.

          One of the first things the police do in a major crime investigation is ask themselves: cui bono? Who benefits? (And of course, who had means and opportunity?) Several members of our government and military agencies surely had all three in massive quantity (means, motive, and opportunity). As for the terrorists, to pull off something like this they had box cutters, a “hatred of our freedoms” (not to mention a perverse desire to get Middle Eastern countries carpet bombed and shelled with DU), and of course phenomenal luck. So much luck, in fact, they’d have been better off heading for Las Vegas; they could have BOUGHT the WTC towers with their winnings.

          What Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Rove, Chertoff, the Military Industrial-Chemical Complex and the rest of these criminals got out 9/11? The Patriot Act, vastly tighter control and restriction of citizens’ rights, staggering quantities of our resources diverted to senseless overseas wars, including no-bid contracts handed to the likes of Halliburton. In short, a blueprint for a “New American Century,” and vast amounts of money and power.

          How many high level insider conspirators would it take? Probably frightenly few, given power has already been centralized in so few hands, and “Need to Know” compartmentalization has been the rule in our nation since Pearl Harbor. Does anyone seriously imagine (having seen what happened to FBI whistleblowers re: “botched” surveillance on terrorist suspects) that a slew of compartmentalized order-followers are going to get together and piece all this together and take it to the Lamestream media?

          Even wilder, that one of the highest-up insiders is going to stand up before the cameras and confess to participating in the mass murder of Americans? How long do you imagine he’d survive if he or she actually went crazy enough to start naming names?

          Like many, I’ve been studying 9/11 material for a decade. (Seriously, if something has “9/11″ in the headline, I at least scan it to see if I’ve already heard it, however wacked. The wackiest so far seem to be based on the official version.) I’m also a big movie fan. I say, in response to being accused of being gulled by Hollywood into believing in some inner-circle conspiracy, that given all the indisputable facts cited by Bob Livingston in this piece (and many, many more facts some here selectively don’t address), the official story of 9/11 will never make it to the silver screen in any seriously big way. No producer would waste money, time, or his/her reputation on anything so ridiculous as 19 Muslims defeating NORAD, the CIA, the FBI, the Pentagon, the FAA, Condi Rice and Dick Cheney with box-cutters. Not unless it was a slapstick comedy on the order of “Airplane!”

          The majority of people I know and communicate with regularly with despise our current government, because it is trampling our Constitution. Most of these people are also sick of the lies they are being spoon-fed in the MSM. I’m sure this can also be said of most of the readers here.

          Why then, do so many people believe so passionately in this pack of self-contradicting 9/11 absurdities, told by our obviously broken self-serving politicians and appointees to the lapdog press for whom we lost nearly all respect back when they first sold out to control freaks like Rupert Murdoch and the other news minions of power greedy international mega-corporations?

          Why is that?

          • Sandy

            The intricacies involved in a purported plot to destroy thousands of lives would entail the involvement of hundreds of personnel and thousands of manhours. It is beyond conceivability to believe that such an extensive operation could have been planned for years without a single leak…

          • Average Joe Patriot

            Sandy: Then you know little about how things work around here.

            Did you ever work for a major corporation and even get the slightest sense that you knew how the upper echelon was thinking, what their plans were, that you were anything more than an obedient order-taking cog, that you knew anything more than you were supposed to know at your pay grade?

            Don’t kid yourself, child. You could easily have gotten up on a Monday and handled papers which would have brought down Enron, and never had a clue.

            Within recent history, a large number of major organizations have collapsed, taking all their dutiful employess down with them. These poor souls were none the wiser till their life savings were gone. And they helped the bastards do it by simply doing their jobs as taught and told to them.

            What do you imagine goes on in government and the military? Some sort of “flat organization” in which everyone’s ideas are heard?

            An extremely small number of people in a hierarchical organization such as our government and military could easily have orchestrated 9/11. A vanishingly small group needed to know. And the closer you get to the top, the more 9/11 evidence vanishes.

            (Where did the melted girders go before forensics had a chance to thoroughy examine them? They were denied access. Really? Why?)

            Sorry, they were sold to China already. WHAT?!!!

            The biggest crime, not only in the history of our nation, but of the world. Sorry evidence missing, already dispose of. WHAT?!!!!!

            If that were the only evidence which has gone missing, you might excuse it (although this would be very hard to to). Where are the audio tapes of the air traffic controllers? Oops, we destroyed them. WHAT?

            The BBC announcer standing in front of the WTC 7 tower, announcing it had collapsed (no, it hadn’t, it’s right behind her). It collapsed less than half an hour later. The BBC says those tapes are lost. WHAT????

            The Pentagon attack tapes: all confiscated from independent gas stations, and never released tapes from the Pentagon itself. Let’s see them? Sorry, national security.

            And so on, over and over and over. Like a kid with crumbs on his face and hands jambed in his pockets, crunching away, denying any cookie theft.

            Stop it people. Denial can only go so far. We’d all like to believe that human beings cannot drown their children or serial rape and brutally slaughter innocent nurses for fun, we’d especially like to think our politically appointed representatives could not be involved in such behavior as 9/11 (with help, with outside help, and with compartmentalization, of course).

            But, do read some history. Especially of rulers and their behavior. False flag operations. That sort of thing. America is well beyond Beaver and Ozzie and Harriet, kids. Has been for a long time.

          • Gary Davis

            “Diversion”? What “Diversion”? I gave examples of unlikely events that showed that a Passport could realistically survive intact, after being thrown clear on the one hand, and how even experienced observers can misinterpret things on the other.
            BUT I MUST CONFESS!
            I now realise I was wrong, and 9/11 was a Conspiracy: but you “Truthers” are wrong, too the REAL culprits? BLAME THE AMISH!!!!!
            They fooled us all with their “unaggressive” lifestyle, but now the very fact that they are unsuspected is the very reason they were able to cause it. Look a the facts:

            1) They have no mobile telephones; the perfect cover, as they cannnot be tract by phone masts, and have MASTERED THE ART OF ILLICIT COMMUNICATIONS!

            2) They hate the lifestyle of the West, with its promiscuity, murders, drug abuse, and sexualising of children (actually I hate these things too; but I’m not the attacker: that’s THE AMISH!)

            3) They refer to those ruling the US as “The English”: AN IRRRATIONAL HATRED OF ENGLAND THAT LED TO THE ATTACKS IN LONDON ON 7/7/05!

            4) Very cleverly, THEY ARE NOT PART OF THE MASONS, LET ALONE THE iLLUMINATI! Their nefarious iniquity knows no bounds!
            I wonder how long before someone thinks I’m serious, here.

          • Average Joe Patriot

            Hey, Gary? Get your mom to put your engine back on the track for you. After that, it’s your nap time. Then maybe you can go out and play with the big kids.

        • Clay

          Tom, almost forget. I agree with your sentiments regarding the 2nd amendment. However, your comments regarding the military are misplaced. The Posse Commitatus Act [1878] specifically prohibits the use of U.S. military forces within the U.S. unless authorized by the constitution or by an act of congress. If you disarm the military, we will no longer have a country. I do however, firmly believe that the federal gov’t is out of control and that only very small, specific elements of the U.S. Marshall service, the F.B.I. and the Secret Service should be armed and only under the specific authorization of congress and that the authorization should be reviewed and voted on every single year. Finally, we need to fully restore congressional authorization for the use of military force. Many of the wars our country has fought in were unquestionably unconstitutional.

          • Tom Anderson

            Dear Clay,

            If I understood your prior email you DID say that some US Military vehicles and chopper pilots participated at WACO?

            Then, PLEASE, TELL ME WHICH MILITARY OFFICERS AND MEN WERE PUNISHED FOR THAT VIOLATION OF POSSE COMMITATUS. Are you saying that it was just a big misunderstanding? Oh, forgive me!

            You may sense that I have a bone to pick with the US Military – you are correct. And you can probably predict that it goes back to Nam. I will never forgive the US Military for leaving their S. Nam comrades to the fate of the invading commies! When the US Military pulled out they left their Nam friends to a fate worse than death (and death too). What kind of yellow cowards would leave a friend and fellow warrior to that fate? Those US military fled Nam with their tail between their legs and left their Nam friends to face torture, rape and death. Is there any honor in the US Military after such a disgraceful and shameful defeat? Don’t those US Military men ever fret about their Nam friends and Nam families and what they had to endure when the Commies were able to “have their way with them”?

            Lastly, I worked at Travis AFB as a civilian contractor for TWA during Nam. We would fly the US corpses back from Nam (in the metal containers) and the military ORDERED the planes to only be unloaded at night ( to avoid publicity for LBJ – no photos). Those dead men COOKED in those planes which sat on the extremely hot tarmac all day waiting to be unloaded after dark. All of us mechanics at TWA couldn’t believe that their so-called military “brothers” would allow such desecration to those broiled bodies. But NOT A PEEP of protest from any of those so-called surviving “warrior brothers” – I tell that history to anyone who is willing to listen. Honor in the US Military – BALONEY! They leave their buddies’ bodies to broil and their Nam friends to be massacred.

            Certainly, when the POTUS orders it, the US Military will turn their guns on us. That was Ike’s and Washington’s worry and it is mine.

          • Clay

            Tom, once again [this time i'll get it straight] your reading comprehension skills are almost as bad as your selective knowledge of history. Please don’t waste anymore of my time. There are far more important issues facing our nation,than 9/11 conspiracy crap. I have no more time to waste with people who prefer to waste their time with heresay and garbage. Go watch a few more garbage hollywood movies, they suit your fantasies far better than reality ever will. Patrick Tillman is my brother!

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          I agree. There are reason for everything. And this ID thing is pretty easy, and Im not no engineer. In the front of the plane, there are no explosives or fuel or anything, When they hit the side, almost all windows, with the weight of the plane, you can bet they were 3/4 through it when the fuel laden part of the plane hit and blew up. You can only imagine the force of the fireball blowing forward, but I am surprise that more body parts werent found blown far away. But I would fully understand ID cards, wallets, watches, and other things being blown so fast that the fire couldnt ignite them or touch them. This doesnt bother me at all. What most bothers me, is watching the muslims dancing in the streets for joy, not only in foreign countries, but those that live here also. That is the part that bothers me the most.

        • Jacques Cuse

          So, now you’ve found an answer to the surviving passport and that’s it? Official government explanations accepted?

          Well, please also explain the surviving highjackers who’ve been found and interviewed by the BBC (at least 8 of them). And then WTC building number 7, which was not hit by airplanes, suddenly collapsing symmetrically, demolition style, in its own footprint?

          Please also explain why so many bodies were missing from the rubble but that thousands of microscopically small bone fragments have been found on the roofs of surrounding buildings. Yeah, right, that was because of intense airpressure caused by the pancacking floors…. (yawn).

          Dear Americans, please educate yourselves. If you don’t know where to begin, have a try here:

    • wandamurline

      I came to the realization of what Bob is talking about, about two years ago. Until that time, I had never questioned the attack, but then I got the DVD “The Power of the Purse” which is one that talks how the Federal Reserve and even before that, the BIG banks, have caused economic crises since 1807. Toward the end, it began to talk about 9/11, and they actually had a reporter reporting that the third building had just crashed to the ground….the problem was that the building was STILL standing while she was reporting this. This whole think is beginning to smell lika a skunk. I had been asking my husband….how can two buildings built to withstand high winds collaspe to the ground like that when they have been hit very high up? Being retired AF, he stated that jet fuel gets very hot in a fire, but hey, the buildings looked like they went down from a commercial collaspe you see everyday on television when they are taking a building down to clean up and rebuild. My other question is why there was no plane wreckage in Pennsylvania. When a plane goes down, there is a lot of wreckage left…ie wings, fusaloge, some cabins…there is left over wreckage. We now have, since 9/11, the Patriot Act which allows the government to circumvent your freedoms under the Constitution….this is something that we need to get rid of and all the people who were in office during 9/11…Demorats and RINOS alike. We must retake our country.

      • Lost in Paradise

        Most plane crashes happen during landing, and some after liftoff. THat is a whole lot different than an airliner headed at the earth at 500 mile an hour. In world warII many planes that were shot down, plunged into the earth at very high speed, and some are being found to this day, as the ground squeezes them upward. Most passenger jets cruise a 450-500 per hour, and if sent into a dive would easily pass that speed, and maybe start to break up on the way down.

        • ifreemantoo

          To accept you opinion requires that so much other information and questions be disregarded. The first thing you’d have to believe is our government does not commit crime.

          Let’s see. Judge Andrew Napolitano wrote in his book “Constitutional Chaos” in the introduction titled “Breaking the Law” pg. ix:
          “Because it breaks the law, the government is not your friend…after witnessing first-hand how the criminal justice system works to subvert and shred the Constitution. You think you have rights that are guaranteed? Well think again.
          Because the government breaks the law and denies it, the government is not your friend.”
          And pg. 181. “The government is simply stretching and twisting federal law and the Constitution in whatever way it sees fit for whatever contemporary need it may have.”

          Contents of Part 1: “Rights and Liberties
          1. Breaking the law to enforce it
          2. Attacking the Innocent
          3. Creating Crime
          4. Grabbing Guns, Endangering Citizens
          5. Filching Property
          6. Gagging Free Speech
          7. Bribing Witnesses, Buying Convictions
          8. Assaulting the People
          Part 3 The Hard Test: The War on Terror”
          10 The Justices Department Terror Tactics

          You really have to be somewhat of a sheeple or cheer leader that would let some of the obvious escape as it seems to escape so many people. When we can’t accept the obvious then we rely on “so-called” expert textperts to help us believe the lie. Finally we can dismiss it all as “conspiracy theory” (CT).

          Well here is another fact that can’t be dismissed as CT. Henry Kissinger was appointed the first head of the 9/11 Commission but resigned almost the next day. It seems “The Jersey Girls” (wives of husbands murdered during 9/11) asked Kissinger “if he had any clients named Bin Laden?”

          Well this information can be seen in the documentary 9/11 Press For Truth and may be obtained at I don’t remember anything about falling buildings or planes in this documentary. There is however a ton of news related events and documents before, during and after 9/11 that can’t be argued “conspiracy theory” expect by the most brain dead.

          BTW the 911 Commission was the inspiration of the “Jersey Girls” and took GWB about a year to finally give in. So GWG gets Kissinger appointed, but that back fired. However, GWG and the mischief makers only answered 25% of the questions put to it. So many in the commission resigned. Some upon existing called it a “cover up”. Also noting they’d been lied to as well.

          Lost in Paradise you assumed so much in your post. I’ll assume that’s what you want to believe. It’s not worth arguing. While you feel comfortable with your beliefs, how do you think the Jersey Girls and so many others that lost loves feel about a less than credible investigation? Don’t they deserve at least all their questions answered?

          • Kate8

            It’s been reported time and again that Bin Ladin was a CIA operative, going by the code-name Tim something-or-other, and had received extensive training from the CIA (As far as I know, this has never been denied.)

            It was also the CIA who paid for and set up the training camps for terrorists in various places in the middle east, because the plan has always been to incite WWIII.

            How far we’ve come from those days of rallying behind GWB in righteous indignation against those who supposedly attacked us. Ah…the togetherness, the heightened sense of impending threat and the drumbeat to avenge our nation, and them came “shock and awe” (this was actually as spin on the word symbol “shekinah”).

            How many of us were glued in front of our TVs, witnessing the daily spectacle of the mighty Giant incensed.

            Thank God we’re coming to our senses. We must resolve never to fall for another false flag, nor to look to our “leaders” for guidance and protection. Because you can be sure they are going to try it again.

          • JeffH

            Kate8, it was Osama bin Laden, A.K.A. CIA Asset “Tim Osman”

          • JimRed

            Kate 8 said “It’s been reported time and again that Bin Ladin was a CIA operative, going by the code-name Tim something-or-other, and had received extensive training from the CIA (As far as I know, this has never been denied.)

            It was also the CIA who paid for and set up the training camps for terrorists in various places in the middle east, because the plan has always been to incite WWIII.”

            It’s been reported…yeah, right; by whack jobs with one agenda or another. Who would bother to deny something so ridiculous? And to incite WWIII? Kill hundreds of millions people, possibly including your own family and friends, to what end? Siezing power is much more fun when there’s someone left to hold the power over!

          • Old Henry


            Do you work for one of the alphabet agencies?

            WWIII would greatly enrich the miltary – industrial complex. More cronie capitalism. And the principles and their families would be safely tucked away somewhere.

        • James A

          Maybe start to break up? It is almost a certainty once “red line speed” has been exceeded. Engine pods would likely be the first things to go. As you point out, that plane was likely close to red line in level flight. Pointed downward, it would take no time at all to exceed that critical speed where things start coming off the airframe.

        • Average Joe Patriot

          Thanks, Lost. I guess that explains everything else you haven’t addressed. Like everything else Bob mentioned, and a hundred other unanswered anomalies, like the stock shorts on the airline companies involved shooting to insane levels days before it happened, and no further investigation reports from the FTC. They backed off.

          Why, pray tell?

          Everything I hear from the anti-conspiracy naysayers seems to attack one tentacle: pancake theory, how the passport could have been the only one to land two blocks away, how airport screening couldn’t have dealt with everyone, NORAD Airforce training routine on that particular day, Bush was confused at the school about the TV, Rumsfeld didn’t really mean “shot down,” Condi wasn’t informed about commandeered commercial airplane attacks, Cheney wasn’t in a bunker, etc. It’s all crap and you, secretly, know it.

          Fundamentally, people don’t want to believe it because they are too frightened to believe it. That something of this overt magnitude could happen at the hands of our own. It did. Get used to it. They had a lot of help. But it obviously did. Our government was complicit.

          Adjust yourself to the obvious reality. There’s undoubtedly more to come.

          The counter-believers have slowed them down, not stopped them.

      • Betty Sexton


        • coal miner


          And at the same time, without even blinking — “Let us not forget, he was created by the USA,” or “It’s well known that Bin Laden was an Israeli Mossad agent.”

        • coal miner

          I may had too many links on the previous post,so I erase them and reposted the same material without the links.

          You are right,he was the creation of the Reagan and Bush administration.He was known as the Reagan’s Frankenstein monster.
          Was Osama Bin Laden a CIA operative code named, “Tim Osman”?
          Osama Bin Laden was a contract operative of the CIA and was recruited long before 9/11.

          Osama Bin Laden traveled to the United States and toured military bases and the White House. He used a CIA code-name, “Tim Osman”, and was looking for help against the Soviets.

          Osama Bin Laden was officially recruited into the CIA in 1979. His activities were backed by the CIA, which, like him, had an account at BCCI Bank.

          Bin Laden’s group of Afghans received backing from the CIA.

          Bin Laden’s CIA ties became well-known in April 1998, when MSNBC exposed his connections to the Agency.

          The Papist-controlled US Government has claimed that it broke it’s ties with Bin Laden long before 9/11. However, an FBI insider said that Bin Laden was employed by the CIA until the very day of 9/11.

          There is some evidence to support her story. In July 2001 (Two months before 9/11), French media reported that a local CIA chief met with Osama Bin Laden at an American hospital in Dubai.

          There is absolutely no doubt that Osama Bin Laden and his associates are CIA. Thus, they are subservient to the Papist Crime Network. The CIA is a front operation for the Jesuits/Vatican. Kate,very good post.

          • mark

            The Papist Crime Network?! The Papist-controlled U.S. government?!! So its all the Pope and those dirty Jesuits’ fault! This is rich when Reagan and Bush were themselves evangelical Chrisians who gave increasing power and influence to the Protestant Christian Right during their terms. The U.S. has only had one, count’em, one Catholic as president, JFK, in its entire 235 year history. Wow, the return of anti-Catholic bigotry! I thought that died out after the Second World War. Well, everything old is new again on this site. What next – the Freemason conspiracy, the Templars, the Rothchilds, the Illuminati?! Or as I like to call the people who fall for all this crap, the Illuminuti!

          • Jay

            Communism and the Catholic Church

            Much has been written regarding Communist methods of infiltration. The standard method was to “bore from within” which involved Communists disguising themselves as loyalists to an organization they sought to undermine. Once gaining entry, they would gradually and subtly change the values and principles of the targeted organization. The process of “change” can take a generation. Communists have exhibited unlimited patience and supreme confidence in the ultimate attainment of their goals. Examples in America include substantial inroads by Communists into organized labor, academia, the legal profession, race relations, cultural institutions, and the government itself.

            When planning to infiltrate, the Communists probe for an institutional weakness to exploit and, in the case of the Catholic Church, perhaps they perceived the weakness to reside in the all-male celibate priesthood.

            Did Communists send their followers, particularly homosexuals, sexual deviants, and enablers, into seminaries to become priests in order to foster a homosexual culture within the church? Homosexuals, practicing their predilections in an overwhelmingly conservative Catholic community, while given protection by well placed minded superiors, could certainly contribute to the undermining of faith in Catholicism and could unquestionably shake the credibility and moral standing of the church itself down to its very foundations. Undermining Catholic authority has been a clear and often stated goal of the Communist left. Speculation regarding how the Communists attempted to implement their program is reasonable and necessary in order to better understand the present situation.

            Two former Communists, Bella Dodd and Manning Johnson, spoke on Communist infiltration of the Catholic Church. Dodd, an important Communist party lawyer, teacher and activist, converted to Catholicism in April 1952 under the tutelage of Bishop Fulton J. Sheen. Stating that the Communist infiltration was so extensive that in the future “you will not recognize the Catholic Church,” Dodd also asserted that:

            “In the 1930′s, we put eleven hundred men into the priesthood in order to destroy the Church from within.”

            “Right now they are in the highest places, and they are working to bring about change in order that the Catholic Church will no longer be effective against Communism.”

            Manning Johnson, a former Communist Party official and author of “Color, Communism and Common Sense” testified in 1953 to the House un-American Activities Committee regarding the infiltration of the Catholic Church:

            “Once the tactic of infiltration of religious organizations was set by the Kremlin … the Communists discovered that the destruction of religion could proceed much faster through infiltration of the (Catholic) Church by Communists operating within the Church itself.

            The Communist leadership in the United States realized that the infiltration tactic in this country would have to adapt itself to American conditions (Europe also had its cells) and the religious make-up peculiar to this country. In the earliest stages it was determined that with only small forces available to them, it would be necessary to concentrate Communist agents in the seminaries.

            The practical conclusion drawn by the Red leaders was that these institutions would make it possible for a small Communist minority to influence the ideology of future clergymen in the paths conducive to Communist purposes This policy of infiltrating seminaries was successful beyond even our communist expectations.”

          • mark

            This is all just a bunch of twisted lies and distortions lifted word- for-word from a thoroughly discredited, anti-Catholic website that never provides any citations because it makes up its hateful material as it goes along. All it proves it that bigots thrive in a free society. But they are also, a distinct minority, thank goodness. And all that Illuminuti, Freemason, Templar nonsense is just such old, recycled nonsense peddled every few years to a new generations of small-minded dupes. Next you’ll be quoting from the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Good grief!

          • bob wire

            it’s part of the human makeup, ~ anger ! anger presents us many manifestations, hate is but one. This is an angry site is true. But they will not enjoy hearing such “news”. For that too, will make them angry.

            There is only 5 things that makes people angry or was it just 4? ~ My memory fades. ~ I suppose I could get mad about that but I “choose” not to.

          • Jay

            Protocol No. 2 of the Elders of Zion

            1. It is indispensable for our purpose that wars, so far as possible, should not result in territorial gains: war will thus be brought on to the economic ground, where the nations will not fail to perceive in the assistance we give the strength of our predominance, and this state of things will put both sides at the mercy of our international AGENTUR; which possesses millions of eyes ever on the watch and unhampered by any limitations whatsoever. Our international rights will then wipe out national rights, in the proper sense of right, and will rule the nations precisely as the civil law of States rules the relations of their subjects among themselves.

            2. The administrators, whom we shall choose from among the public, with strict regard to their capacities for servile obedience, will not be persons trained in the arts of government, and will therefore easily become pawns in our game in the hands of men of learning and genius who will be their advisers, specialists bred and reared from early childhood to rule the affairs of the whole world. As is well known to you, these specialists of ours have been drawing to fit them for rule the information they need from our political plans from the lessons of history, from observations made of the events of every moment as it passes. The GOYIM are not guided by practical use of unprejudiced historical observation, but by theoretical routine without any critical regard for consequent results. We need not, therefore, take any account of them – let them amuse themselves until the hour strikes, or live on hopes of new forms of enterprising pastime, or on the memories of all they have enjoyed. For them let that play the principal part which we have persuaded them to accept as the dictates of science (theory). It is with this object in view that we are constantly, by means of our press, arousing a blind confidence in these theories. The intellectuals of the GOYIM will puff themselves up with their knowledge and without any logical verification of them will put into effect all the information available from science, which our AGENTUR specialists have cunningly pieced together for the purpose of educating their minds in the direction we want.


            3. Do not suppose for a moment that these statements are empty words: think carefully of the successes we arranged for Darwinism, Marxism, Nietzsche-ism. To us Jews, at any rate, it should be plain to see what a disintegrating importance these directives have had upon the minds of the GOYIM.

            4. It is indispensable for us to take account of the thoughts, characters, tendencies of the nations in order to avoid making slips in the political and in the direction of administrative affairs. The triumph of our system of which the component parts of the machinery may be variously disposed according to the temperament of the peoples met on our way, will fail of success if the practical application of it be not based upon a summing up of the lessons of the past in the light of the present.

            5. In the hands of the States of to-day there is a great force that creates the movement of thought in the people, and that is the Press. The part played by the Press is to keep pointing our requirements supposed to be indispensable, to give voice to the complaints of the people, to express and to create discontent. It is in the Press that the triumph of freedom of speech finds its incarnation. But the GOYIM States have not known how to make use of this force; and it has fallen into our hands. Through the Press we have gained the power to influence while remaining ourselves in the shade; thanks to the Press we have got the GOLD in our hands, notwithstanding that we have had to gather it out of the oceans of blood and tears. But it has paid us, though we have sacrificed many of our people. Each victim on our side is worth in the sight of God a thousand GOYIM.


          • mark

            This was a Czarist forgery. The Czarist secret police created this nonsense out of whole cloth in the late 19th century to appeal to anti-Semites and demonize the Jewish population of Russia that they viewed as heretical and a threat to the regime. This was especially cogent since Jews did not subscribe to Orthodox Christianity, the official state religion. It has been resurrected and regurgitated by numerous anti-semitic hate groups from the Nazis to the Klan, to the Aryan Nation, Volksfront, the Skinheads, and now by you. You are in very appropriate company.

          • Jay

            Wow, a Czarist forgery, secret police, a secret anti-semite group demonizing the jewish population. mark, you sound like a conspiracy kook!

          • Antonio

            Hey Jay how are you my friend? Well i sent you an e-mail and i haven’t heard from you??? I just sent another one a few minutes ago to inform you of something please check mail and reply me later

          • mark

            Jay’s busy working with the Czarist police. But he will get back to you.

          • mark

            Don’t worry: he’s got your crayons.

          • hicusdicus

            I am sure they both share each others dingle berry pie.

          • Scared To Death

            You were told to go sleep it off, Mark.

          • Jay

            Hey Antonio, i’ve responded to your e:mail. Look forward to chatting with you. Presently, as you can see, i’m enjoying myself leading a fool around by the nose. Hope you’re enjoying the show!

          • Antonio

            jaja yes i have seen that. that dumb kid mark is like a dog with a funnel around its neck just following you around jaja good job :)

          • Antonio

            for anybody who is interested just spell illuminati backwards and put .com after it and see what page you get :)
            esta buenisimo!!

          • JeffH

            Antonio, very surprising what website comes up…NSA/CSS

          • Antonio

            Yes sir, JeffH. It is really a strange one. I not really sure what made me type in jeje guess i was bored… but when that page came up i was like :O

          • Antonio

            wow kido you have a lot to learn and i don’t even know where to start at in fact i don’t think you even have the ability to even learn and thats is sad :( Well anyways i just wanted to tell you one thing. The klan, Aryan, Skinhead, WhiteSupreme stuff your spouting off about were created and started and run and financed and supported and guarded and protected BY – the democratic party- and since thats who you support i assume you are now feeling like an idiot :) keep smiling and researching you may find the truth one day kido good luck

          • hicusdicus

            Mark,Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Jay will believe any thing if it fits his bias. What is really sad is that he has a lot of people following close up his behind.

          • hicusdicus

            Jay you should get a Pulitzer prize For the largest amount of BS packed into one comment.

          • Jay

            Wow hicusdicus, you actually read it? HA HA HA!!!

          • hicusdicus

            I am confused enough with out read reading other peoples confusing fantasies.

          • Jay

            Doesn’t take much to confuse you, does it hic? If you weren’t so cute, you’d be irritating! LOL…

          • bob wire

            yep! the I-lum nutti. ` Look out! there’s hidden nine. Hidden in plain sight!

            oh there is something to it alright ~ but so is there to the stone figures on Canary island. ~ It’s class structured, the workers bees ate all the supporting help and became disillusioned with the boss so the ate him too! or so some say. ~ I don’t know I wasn’t there.

            There is only so many people and so many trees that you can kill without it affecting you is a detrimental way regardless of your position in the food chain.

            Like an very old Japanese gentleman said to me one time, “without a bottom there can be no top”

            Before man ever reaches the stars and takes his place among brothers, much will be lost and much will be gained.

            Nice read Mr. Livingston, I have no answers but I agree that we need more smart question to ever locate them.

          • Jay

            That is correct coal, unfortunately!

        • coal miner

          Betty Sexton,

          When are you people going to give it a rest?He was legally elected president.He was born in Hawaii.

          • armyvet

            Coal miner, if so why doesn’t he prove it with a bona-fide long form birth certificate, not a fraudulent computer manufactured one using Adobe, which of neither existed at the time of his supposed birth? Why is he so secretive (transparencey?)about his college records, his ellegal trips to Pakistan, in which time Americans were denied Passports? Why does he have a fraudulent SS# issued to a dead man from Connecticut? He will not answer any of these. It would be so easy to put everything to rest!!!!

          • chuck

            Legally elected or not, Obama is a TRAITOR! and should be in prison.

          • Kate8

            coal – You libs have the most amazing ability to close your eyes and ears to anything you don’t want to know, regardless of how much proof is available.

            Here you go to so much effort to discover the “truth” behind religion via the study of creation myths (albeit drawing very one-sided conclusions based on the rantings of a single author), yet you clutch on to the biggest myth of all (and the most provable. At least, for what he is not): the load of bull that is Barry Hussein’s origins and history.

            Your mind is geared to accept the input from the Masters of the Matrix, and reject all else, no matter what your senses might perceive. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain…

          • Old Henry

            Coal Miner:

            It does not matter where he was born. He is not a Natural Born Citizen due to the fact that his daddy was NOT an American citizen, he was a Kenyan / Indonesian. It is also questionable whether his mommy was a U.S. citizen due to her not living in the country, but the main fly in the ointment is his father.

          • http://patriotupdate Joy

            doesn’t matter where he was hatched…his father was a british citizen, not a US citizen. his white mother was “married” to him, when in fact he had a real wife & kids in Kenya, so they were never legally married. both parents have to be citizens of this country before a person is eligible to be a president. since his sperm-donor father wasn’t, he’s not eligible. makes a nice smokescreen, doesn’t it…keep the birth certificate in one hand, as a tease, & then distract us from what the other hand is doing…….working real well !!!!! and we the sheeple (some of us, not me) buy it all.

          • JC

            Right Coal Miner…he was born in Hawaii. And his official birth cerificate says his “father” was born in Kenya. Thing is, when the imposters father was born, Kenya didn’t exist as a nation at all.
            It was British East Africa at the time.
            Too bad Obama’s yuppie forgers are products of the American education system and they missed that little tid bit.
            It’s all Bull S**t

          • JC

            And Joy, let’s not forget that the imposter’s mother was too young under American law to confer citizenship on her sprogue at any rate.

          • margey

            jc, if i were you, i wouldn’t make too many nasty remarks about people being too stupid to know kenya wasn’t a country when obama was born, making the birthplace of his father ostensibly false. the birth certificate says kenya, east africa. kenya was a territory in east africa, and referred to as kenya, east africa much as any of our states is referred to as, i.e., florida, usa. don’t any of you people use your effing brains to track this crap down?? you’d rather just believe hate filled garbage you’re fed, because YOU are hate filled ignoramuses. there’s this site called “google” that has all kind of info on it, in case you didn’t know. use it.

          • margey

            there is no age requirement for a mother to confer us citizenship on her child. obama’s mother was 18 in any case. you people are unbelievable.

          • JC

            What was the country called at the time of the imposter’s birth margey? not “known as” what was it actually called?
            And I don’t hate the white Liberal in the White house…I despise him.

          • JC

            Should read “fathers birth”.

          • ALL AMERICAN

            What person legally born in the UNITED STATES of AMERICA would purposely subvert the CONSTITUTION?

          • margey

            jc, it was called east africa, like it says on the birth certificate.
            GOOGLE IT. the territory of kenya was also specified. is this clear enough for you now? i doubt it.

      • Scott Lazarowitz

        The Patriot Act and all the other post-9/11 due process-destroying intrusions and the wars, including Libya, were all planned well before 9/11:

        • Ralph

          The US news people are fond of repeating how 9/11 has changed America forever … but what they fail to explain is that the destruction of the Bill of Rights by passage of the US Patriot Act has changed America, not 9/11.

          • http://yahoo skyraider 6

            the change was started in 1992 ralph

          • Greg T

            H W Bush was a globalist, reference his “thousand points of light” speech.

            Reagan did not like H W Bush. H W Bush removed almost all Reagan officials as if he were taking over from a Democrat. Dick Chaney replaced Frank Carlucci as Secretary of Defense after not getting Tower confirmed by the Senate.

      • Carlucci

        I started asking many of these same questions the day 9-11 happened, because the whole thing looked totally orchestrated. I had read about Northwoods, the burning of the Reichstag, and other orchestrated events like that. I had also seen two movies a few years before that made me disbelieve everything that comes out of the district of corruption. The two movies are “Cover Up in Oklahoma” and “Waco: The Rules of Engagement”.

        After Bob Livingston posted his newsletter from last week about “Prima Facia” (which literally means “on its face”), a dear friend coincidentally sent me this from the Idaho Observer. I’m posting the link again just in case anyone might have missed it. I’m in the 6th veil – which one are you?

        Happy Labor Day, everyone. I’ve gone back to work full time and really miss this blog and everyone on it -!

        • JeffH

          Carlucci, congratulations on the full time status and always good to hear from you…Happy Vetrans Day to you!

          • Jay

            What’s interesting Jeff, is that the same nay-sayers on this issue today, have in the past demonized and accused bush and his administration, of orchestrating the means by which to invade Iraq, and that through 9/11. Yet at present, claim the opposite! Seems they are quick to forget their past statements! What is one to make of this?

          • JeffH

            Jay, isn’t that what hypocrites do? Go figure! As we continue to share info and educate ourselves and sometimes re-adjust some of our thinking…the Marxist/communist/socialist/progressive refuse to budge, singing the same old tunes, ridicule and social engineering.
            Somethingdefinitelyy stinks in Denmark!

            Keep up the good fight fellow patriot…FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Old Henry

          Bravo Carlucci! Are the one job that was created last month?

          Which veil am I? Hell, i’m still tryin ta get my head outta my….

          • Carlucci

            Old Henry – :)

        • Kate8

          Carlucci – I’m not sure that the veils are successive. More than likely they overlap.

          I have long had a passion for understanding numbers, fractals, and the mathematical workings of the universe, although I’m far from really understanding them. Meanwhile, I’ve simulaneously lingered through some of the others.

          I loved this article. It really helps to give perspective.

          Congrats on your job, but I will miss your insightful postings every day.

        • Al Sieber

          I’m there too, #6.

      • Peter Carminati

        Some Arabs were used for the cover story

        The demolition that sophisticated destruction plans were made by secretly assigned Navy Seals who planted the explosives to cause the towers to collapse

        The Pentagon scene was a cruise missile, not an airplane, backed by a large fuel tank inside the thick walls of the Pentagon

        The Pennsylvania site was the result of a bomb dropped by a USAF fighter bomber. The so-called aircraft was later found at O’Hare IAP by a mechanic on his regular rounds. That aircraft required some minimal maintenance.

        President Bush was in the mid-West somewhere entertaining some grade-school kids, all the while pretending that nothing unusual was happening anywhere.

        The American Architects Assoc. has all the engineering facts on record so that the actual blame can be laid on those responsible for this faked terrorist act brought on by those who Have to Have War somewhere to make drug-maker profits. All wars are a profit-driven racket.

        • JimRed

          US Navy SEALs, complicit in the murder of thousands of their countrymen? Following illegal orders? Some Clinton lovers will go to any extent to absolve him from the blame he so richly deserves. Clinton is the one who gutted the military and allowed a “wall” to be built between CIA, FBI and military intelligence.

          To tell that kind of lie about our elite troops says a lot about the source, none of it good.

        • Old Henry

          Ah Peter, would you care to let Todd Beemers widow know where he, and the rest of the passengers, are right now? Did they beam them up?

          Where are the passengers of the Pentagon flight?

          I am not saying 9/11 was not an “inside job”, but you have created more questions than answers.

        • BrotherPatriot

          Peter…Ummm…No to the Navy SEAL’s being the bomb planters in the two towers.

          As a former member I can tell you this lies outside our specialty. It takes at least weeks if not a month or two to set the explosives necessary to do what we saw done to the 2 towers.

          I honestly do believe it was explosives that brought them down…as the 9/11 A&E commission believes also…but it took the knowledge & expertise of a professional demolotion team who has years of actual practice bringing down buildings (or at least their input) to pull off the actual job.

          God Bless.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            not one to stick up for the Government, but consider this. Steel melts at 1517 degrees and the people that say that JP4 jet fuel doesn’t burn at that high a temp are right. 747 type aircraft are constructed from a magalum alloy which burns at 2500 to 4000 degrees, well high enough to melt steel. The wheels are pure magnesium, 4000 degrees and there are other magnesium parts on said aircraft. so it is quite possible for a 747 type aircraft to take the towers down.

          • BrotherPatriot

            Joe H…the buildings were designed to take several hits from airliners when they built them. They took this information in and made it part of their calculations when they designed them.

            The support beams were ENORMOUS. It takes a cutting torch awhile under concentrated use to cut through them.

            I’m sorry but your explaination plus the others posting on this site does not stand up to what the 9/11 A&E commission has been revealing.

            God Bless and please keep researching.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            not from research but a year of college metalurgy and seven years of mechanics and A&P repairs on aircraft! I don’t care how thick those beams were, heat them to 3500 degrees, they will melt! Carbon will migrate in the steel and make it very weak and then when it gets to temp, it will MELT!!

        • ALL AMERICAN

          Peter, hou are a bad man for even saying something like that about a SEAL Team.

      • Carl J.

        I just knew someone was going to blame 100 percent of the 9/11 attacks on liberal Democrats and Rhinos. Of course, we all know that Republicans sit on the right hand of God and are totally incapable of making any mistakes or commiting the least bit wrong doing. See….. I drink the same Kool-Aid that Glenn Beck drinks too!

      • Old Henry


        Michelle Bachmann voted to RENEW the un-Partiot Act a few months ago. And she is SUPPOSEDLY a TEA Party supporter / candidate.

      • The Other White Meat

        Here’s my OWN question, mayhaps as an AF vet you can help me. A piece of an antiquated A3 Skywarrior was found. Now, how is it that someone perspicuous enough to identify THAT was allowed in an investigative realm? Would this not have fueled the conspiracy fire, or was this an oversight of the planners?

      • Vicki

        wandamurline writes:
        “…the buildings looked like they went down from a commercial collaspe you see everyday on television when they are taking a building down to clean up and rebuild.”

        They do NOt look like a commercial controlled demolition collapse. Commercial demolition cuts thru key supports at EVERY FLOOR causing the entire building to collapse at the same time.

        • Vicki

          Here are some more examples. Note where the demolition charges are set.

          Note the failures too.

        • BigBadJohn

          Agree it does not look like a commercial implosion, they would have had to wire every single floor.

          However, even Al Quada knew in 1993 that all they had to do was to take out one of the central support columns and the building would collapse. The truck bomb they used was parked in the basement next to one of those columns.

          IF all four of those columns were blown at the same time the whole building would come straight down and drag the outside metal frame work with it. Look closely at the fall and this becomes a real possibility. A number of witnesses reported hearing explosions in the basement.

    • Grandpa Harold Mawyer

      The American public has always been duped by its governmental officials, for selfish reasons, mostly greed. Did not a chap named P.T. Barnum( of circus, carnival fame) declare ” in America, there is a sucker born every minute! One can sell the American people anything!’ Me Pa said that you should trust an Arab, while Me Ma always said that we should NEVER believe anything we hear, and very little that we SEE!! Course they were just poor country folks, with limited educations, but had a heap of “horse sense” which is much lacking among our “fearless leaders”, who would, and are rapidly doing so, curtail our God given freedoms, to cause us to be more subservient to Big Government. While you can still enjoy your freedoms, America, WAKE UP from your doldrums!!

      • Grandpa Harold Mawyer

        OOPS!! That last should read, NEVER TRUST an ARAB!!

        • http://?? Joe H.

          I was gonna say!

      • BigBadJohn

        “Naturally the common people don’t want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”
        Hermann Goering

        “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

        Joseph Goebbels quot

    • Old Henry

      Since my post is down past 400 I will put this near the top.

      I bought a DVD on eBay that has a presentation by a structural engineer who states that the only way the towers could have fallen / pancaked into their own footprint was pre-planted explosives. It is very well presented and still available. Item number 250561142084 title: 911 BLUEPRINT FOR TRUTH Dvd Loose Change Nwo 9/11 Truth. $1.95 plust $2.95 shipping. I recommend it for truth seekers.

      • hicusdicus

        Modern day snake oil salesmen and you bought right into it. Did you get a DVD proving we never landed on the moon? I think there is a DVD out there that proves the earth is flat.

    • chuck nichols

      NOT A REPLY! Answers for the author. Until this article I was rather happy with these newsletters. Now not so much. It is OK to ask all the questions you want so long as you do not imply. First it would have been easier to address your questions if they were numbered and did not rely on REPORTEDLY unverified issues. It can not be know how many if any folks were warned due to the fact our agiencies did not work well together. How are they working now? As for the rag tag band that pulled this off. Have there ever been any other gag tag bands in history that were successfull? Pappy Boyington? They say they fear the lone wolf. We know why. If you sail across the ocean or fly a bomber you might be seen.Couldnt help but notice you did not include the names of the engineers that claim the buildings could not have fell the way it was stated. Then the hole in the pentagon. The size of the hole? Really? Then how those terrorists escaped a worldwide manhunt for them. UH. They walked across the southern border! You did hear about the koran found on our side did you not? As an author you write very well. Before venturing into critical thinking. Please consult some real experts.Our country is in enough trouble without unplausible ideas.

      • hicusdicus

        Chuck Nichlos, What are you doing on this forum? You are not a nut case.

    • Paul Gardner


      As a leftie I’m used to having this discussion/debate. It’s framed as “was 9/11 an inside job?”

      I didn’t know righties questioned the official story!

      • Greg T

        Haven’t you heard of the John Birch Society JBS??

        • Paul Gardner

          Of course, but I have not heard their take on 9/11.

          Do you know what it is?

          • Charla

            JBS sells the movie “9/11 Press for Truth.”

            Info from the movie website:
            “The movie was hailed by critics and enthusiastically embraced by a groundswell of concerned people worldwide who felt that the 9/11 Commission and the western news media had failed to account for many important issues. For these thousands, Press For Truth was the rational, skeptical, mainstream motion picture examination of the events of September 11th they had been eagerly awaiting.”

            If JBS does not support a position, they don’t sell products about it.

    • Baf

      Bob, Here’s some facts that you may not be aware of. #1, There is no such thing as a WHITE attack plane or white fighter jet. #2, Satellite phones work at any elevation and back in 2001, a lot of business people had these type of phones. It was an expensive system, but you could climb to the top of Everest and make a call. #3, Norad does NOT have ANY planes…. none, zippo, zilch! They are a military installation in Colorado Springs which is built into Cheyenne Mountain. They track everything in the atmosphere or sky. They know where every aircraft is at all times. They notify the other military installations if there is a problem. #4, Norad does not have any representatives. They have Generals who report to the proper channels and they DO NOT testify to any hearing. I know of what I speak. I like your articles, but this one is a bit exaggerated.

      • hicusdicus

        This article is total fabricated BS.

        • Old Henry


          What part of the guvernment do you work for? One of the alphabet agencies?

          • hicusdicus

            Henry you sound just like the kind of person I could sell a bridge to. How many bridges have bought? Can you afford one more? Send for your DVD it comes with a sample pact of Viagra and a video of what to do with the results.

    • Charla

      Are we slaves?
      “Gold is the money of kings;
      silver is the money of gentlemen;
      barter is the money of peasants;
      but debt is the money of slaves.”
      …….Norm Franz, in Money and Wealth in the New Millennium, 2001

      “None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.”
      …….Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

    • Jane

      Here’s my comment,,,,, An organization that pretends to be “American, Patriotic, and non partisan, ask me if I belong to the Republican or “Democrat” Party. Hey, Picninc Crashers thata never got over Easter Morning 1939 and has wanted their Lincoln Memorial Steps back,,,, your ignorance is showing. Read your history,,,, It’s the DEMOCRATIC PARTY,,,,,then look in the mirror and you will understand why granpop still calls it the Democrat Party. Go away,,, and let me know a single poster that ever served their country when asked.

  • Vicki

    Let me see. We have to ask the king for permission to take our private property from our house to that of a friend. Or even to the store and back.

    We have to ask the king for permission to add to our castles.

    We have to ask the king for permission (and he routinely denies it) to grow a simple herb. Or even to possess it or use it.

    The King demands and gets between 35 and 60% of the money paid to us for our hard labor.

    And S C wonders if we are slaves?

    1 tyrant 3000 miles away or 3000 tyrants 1 mile away. Just what is the difference?

    • Bruce

      Vicki, What a great post, thank you you have made my day.

    • Greyhawk

      Great post Vicki. And, this article is an example of just how corrupt our government truly is. I said a long time ago the the assassination and coverup of the JFK assassination marked the End of the Innocence for the USA and that JFK was our last Legitimate President. Every POTUS since JFK, beginning with LBJ, has been a Puppet of the Shadow Government which is still in power and is behind every other big lie that We, the People are told, in order to Justify any and all Actions by this government, including Making Wars on Whoever They Choose to Tell Us are our enemies. It was Communism and Vietnam for LBJ who perpetrated a war that enriched the Military Industrial Complex but destroyed millions of lives in South East Asia, and over 58 thousand young and innocent American Soldiers, not to mention the millions who still suffer mentally or physically from this war For Profit perpetrated by LBJ. And, every single war since then has been Staged and the Big Lies have just become bigger each time our government decides to do the bidding of the International Industrial-Military Complex that keeps it’s Cash in the International Banks that manipulate the monies of the world. And, our current government is but an arm of this One World Government Regime made up of Scoundrels in the Shadow Government that work for the International Businessmen and Corporations that make their money from Wars and Death. The Big Lie that Oswald, a lone assassin, assassinated JFK was the beginning of The Big Lies that have followed. Oswald was set up as a patsy and the Warren Commission got together and concocted a sloppy coverup that was a Big Lie and it was sold to the public as Fact. LBJ used the Gulf of Tonkin incident Which Never Happened, as the Big Lie to Kickoff the Vietnam War and the commitment of millions of young draftees to be used as cannon fodder as LBJ and his cronies made billions during the perpetration of this Needless and Criminal War. The 9-11 attacks are just the latest in the Big Lie Series that goes on until this day in order to Wage Wars that are very profitable for Defense Contractors and International Bankers and Businessmen, but are very seriously deadly to those they wage war upon. What will be the next BIG Lie that this Regime tells. And, this Regime is made up of our Elected Government Officials who pose as enemies, but in actuality are all One Party that Represents the International Interests of Big Banks and Big Corporations and especially Big Military Industrial Complex Corporations which President Eisenhower warned us about before leaving office in 1961. JFK was about to put a Nail in the Coffin of the Military Industrial Complex and was going to pull the Plug on Vietnam, and when he made that declaration, he signed his own Death Warrant as the Military Industrial Complex ordered his Execution, and they framed Lee Harvey Oswald to take the Fall. That was the First Big Lie that has lead up to the latest Big Lies which is how this government has operated every day since November 22, 1963, the day that the USA died and a Puppet Regime took over. It was a coup de etat and to date, nobody has been willing to say this out loud, but, in fact that is what occurred on November 22, 1963. Our government was overthrown and it has been run by a shadow government ever since, and the Insiders in DC know this, and that is why I have ZERO Respect or Confidence in the Federal Government and the Stooges we have in the United States Congress, regardless of party affilliation. In the end, they are all Big Liars who continue to Perpetrate the Illusion that our Votes actually count for anything at all. They do not. Locally, your vote may count in electing a local politician, but behind the scenes, even the local politicians get their dictates from the Feds, and the Feds are Fascists.

      • Mike, in Dallas, TX

        instead of sitting on your butts and complaining why don’t you get up and do something constructive and make a change. FOR THE PEOPLE BY THE PEOPLE, if you take action . . . vote in the people that will make the difference. I have, Obama the looooooser will be gone and a conservative will take his place. Then watch the jobs come back, taxes go down, National Security go up!!! quit whining, get that lard butt off the couch and do something!!!!!

        • Mark Are

          YOU have GOT to be DREAMING! Someone pinch Mike…

          • tomcat

            lots of people are “dreaming” as you put it. well, dreams are what reality is made of….

          • Ray

            What is YOUR solution for getting rid of someone like o-bum-uh bin lyin ? Let the ‘other people’ take care of it ?? If that is your idea of citizen involvement, YOU are dreaming . .

            This is the big problem – we have become complacent and trust our institutions to do the ‘right things’ . .look what our ‘leaders’ have done just in the past 3 years – -

        • Buddy

          Vote in the people who will make the difference?

          We have been voting for two centuries and here we are!

          We are controlled by a small clique of people who buy us with our own tax monies. We, collectively, are easily led and our collective time preferences are so high that we have eschewed saving because of hollow promises that the “government” will make everything all right.

          And the government convinces us of our need for it. The 9/11 tragedy is just a step in “proving” to us that the nanny state is vital to our survival. Another step may be another war – like Iran shouldn’t have the Bomb (although Israel, Pakistan and India have the Bomb). You may not recognize it, but we are in the society which “1984″ portrayed.

        • Angel Wannabe

          Mike in Dallas, you’d better get on the band wagon bud, its way to late to vote the good ones in there, because there isn’t many “Good Ones” left. When they are voted in, the career politicians tell the Newbies, just how its gonna be, and its Washington Politics as usual. Isn’t it obvious?__We have elections but not ever changes?!

          • ifreemantoo

            Angel, I’m only concerned about two things. 1) Auditing the Fed 2) Ron Paul as the next President. In general I don’t care much for voting, but in reality it is one of the few rights the mischief makers allow us. The other right allowed is politics.

            The last “partial” Federal Reserve audit showed some interesting things, like 16 trillion dollars going to foreign corps and foreign banks. The Ron Paul inspiration to Audit the Federal Reserve is causing the politics to go the right way. Every bit of mischief we are taxed and indebted too is funded by the Federal Reserve in one way or another.

            “If the love of money is the root of all evil” then follow the money makers and completely expose their mischief and let them eat the debt and mischief they created as pay back. Believe if you cut the root of the evil (and that is the manufacturing of money and where it goes to) you will make Obama or GWB insignificant puppets.

            You must expose the mischief by Auditing the Federal Reserve; PERIOD. You must elect the only man who in the end will have less and limited power, because he believes the Constitution only allows limited power to servants of free people.

        • Donald

          What’s conservatives got to do with it? Bush was and is a conservative and 9/11 happened on his watch

          • JeffH

            Donald, did you read Bob’s earlier article “Prima Facie”(a fact presumed to be true unless it is disproved)?

            Bush was never a conservative!

          • Allan

            I hear Bush is responsible for sunspots too.

          • hicusdicus

            This just came in, Bush causes erectile dysfunction. Get your DVD now. Free packet of Viagra included with each order.

          • Jay

            Thanks for the tip hicusdicus!

          • Freedom For All

            Bush IS erectile disfunction and it spread to his brain at an early age

          • Old Henry


            Bush is NOT a conservative. He, like Perry, is smoke and mirrors.

          • hicusdicus

            Any bush and Viagra go together.

        • John

          All the people elected in opposition to Obama have done Absolutely Nothing for jobs or anything else. They seem to be only concerned with abortion, gay marriage or cutting inconsequential, meaningless programs.
          The only man who really speks up is Sen. Bernie Sanders in the Senate.

          • Allan

            Yeah, Obama is way to the right as far as Bernie Sanders, the Commie from Vermont, is concerned. That’s spelled Vermont I believe, where child rape is the fault of society rather than the rapist. Hope Sanders launches a 3rd party bid for the Presidency to help whoever the conservative candidate is.

        • jim

          Your solution to all the problems is to VOTE!?!?!?!?!?! We have been doing that for years and have not yet learned the secret for VOTING to make a difference!

          Every year, when this voting machine starts up, we get all these promises from the Candidates which none of them seem to ever keep once they get into office. That’s one problem! Another one is Main Stream Media telling us that “….if you vote for that Independent Candidate, (not wanting the better of two evils) you’re throwing your vote away because he’s so close to being a Republican that only Republicans would vote for him. This will insure a Democrat will win because the Republican vote will be split!”

          This is a logical conclusion….but is it true? It may be that telling people this will stop just enough people to make the Independent Candidate look as if they can’t even muster up 10% of the votes. And, thus, they appear to be on to something. But it can also be seen in another light…..the media is trying to direct the thoughts of America by placing into our minds certain words and images.

          People, people, people… your own investigation and vote for the one you want. Stop listening to those fat heads with the big mouths because thy only want their will to be imposed upon us all! There is where the real difference can be attained… all of America voting with their heart and mind without the influence of the Main Stream Media!!!

          • Allan

            A lot of people felt they voted with heart and mind in 2008! Remember the scenes around Obama’s victory? One man’s illusion is another man’s dream.

            Good luck getting MSM out of the picture. Political ads represent a large piece of MSM revenue, even if MSM was impartial!

        • iowaheretic

          I really like Bob Livingston articles. I think he’s one of the brightest writers out there. But, I just can’t believe he has such a following of inbred racists morons (right wing christians)! Everything that was talked about in this article was caused by and done under CONSERVATIVES in the government. Obama had NOTHING to do with it! Granted, he’s absolutely no better than Bush, but what makes you think the next conservative elected will be ANY different? A bunch of conservative’s were elected last November. Has anything changed? Libertarians and or Ron Paul will be the ONLY ones that will change for the better towards the people.

          • Old Henry

            Well iowaheretic, as stated above Bush was not and is not a conservative. The Repubs might have controlled the Congress, but it was not controlled by conservatives.

            Being a Republican does not automatically equate to being a conservative.

        • Bob C.

          uh, we had 8 long years of bush… a republican, and nothing was better under him, 9/11 was under his watch, and the wars started under his watch.
          Bush put a stain on the republican party that last to this day!

          Ron Paul is the ONLY honest man in Washington, so please, don’t just say “vote in a republican” 9/11 could have just as easily been pulled off under those liars Romney or Perry.
          both are socialists RINO’s working for the NWO, just as bush Sr., and bush jr did.

          ***RON PAUL 2012***

          • K Schu

            Under Ron Paul, we would be attacked much more then we were on 911. He does not believe in keeping America safe from terrorists. Wake up people!!

          • bluejacket

            Bush was no conservative, let alone a Republican, he was a shill for the NWO.

          • vicki

            K Schu says:
            “Under Ron Paul, we would be attacked much more then we were on 911. He does not believe in keeping America safe from terrorists. Wake up people!!”

            Under Ron Paul we won’t need him to protect us from terrorists. He believes in the Constitution AS written. Terrorists will find no cowards here but they will find a rifle behind every blade of grass.

          • Christin


            Love it !

            Ron Paul 2012… and clean the House and the Senate for new blood (except the Tea Party who are now serving)

          • Old Henry

            What the hell are you talking about K Schu?

            Ron Paul believes that is the ONLY thing our military is to be used for. He does not believe we should be policing the world and sticking our nose into every other country’s business.

        • Old Henry


          Tjat will only happen if we elect Ron Paul. The others are simply stooges.

      • wandamurline

        I was in the 9th grade the day JFK was assignated, and I told my mother that LBJ was behind it….I have always believed that the FBI and LBJ killed JFK and his brother Bobbie. I will always believe that as LBJ was a corrupt man…he was the one that decided that American could no longer bomb North Vietnam…that’s right, we could not go into North Vietnam and take out the enemy. And you are correct, with the exception of Reagan, we have not had an American president since…they are all corrupt and the one we have now is not only corrupt, he is ineligible to be holding the office….which someday will be proven.

        • Angel Wannabe

          wandamurline, Absolutely agree!_after JFK’s death, his brother Bobby vowed to continue his brothers policies.

        • JeffH

          wandamurline, I too was in my 9th grade spanish class at that time but I sure had no clue that our government was capable of such dirty deeds…my how that has changed over the years.

          911 Commission or the Warren Commission or any other government commission all equal poor math, reasoning and have more holes in them than a block of swiss cheese.

        • armyvet

          Not only was LBJ responsible for all that, he also was the one who transferred the SS money to the general fund in order that it could be spent by our greedy government, replaced by worthless IOUs that were never repaid! Why is SS broke? Not because of us Seniors who put the money in, but those idiots who stole it! Evict not only the WH Squatter but all the congress who spend our hardearned money in worthless projects to get re-elected.

          • Allan

            He may also have helped Kennedy defeat Nixon in an very close election, due to voter fraud in several states including Texas.

      • http://none Jonathan Erskine

        The answer is simple: Whoever these people are They want all the money. The average debt for an American citizen now is over 100% of their yearly earnings. Most of this debt has accrued interest,so we are essentially all working for Wall St.There is the myth of rising unemployment, but the reality is the % of working age Americans is much higher than the 1950-1960 era. The percentage has gradually increased since then, in fact we have one of the highest percentages of working class in the world. Iceland has the highest. We also have a higher percentage of debt/capita. I would suspect Iceland is higher.The “united We Stand” hysteria following 9/11 was just a ruse to divide the country. We have been involved in a social civil war since then with increased partisanship. With the conservatives and liberals , basically just calling each other names and the partisan back and forth shift in Congress so essentially nothing can get done by the two parties of NO.

      • mike

        Aman, You hit the nail on the head. what they did on 9/11 was a crime on
        the American people, they created 9/11 so they could implement new laws to take away more of our freedoms. If we the American people don’t stand up against these tyrents we will become slaves.

      • Bud Tugly

        In the Southeast Asian conflict I was involved with the gathering of information. Many of the reports I brought back were ignored or superseded by communiques from Washington, thousands of miles away. These communiques included instructions for actions determined by “experts” who were not there and based on false assumptions. reports that did not conform to these assumptions were dismissed. Result: many dead on both sides, lots of destruction, lots of dead friends, lots of blood on hands that can never feel clean again, and now we can go back as tourists or buy stuff made there.

        Why didn’t we just skip the war and go as tourists in the first place?

      • Tom Anderson

        Dear Greyhawk,

        I have never heard my exact sentiments expressed so eloquently!

        I agree 100% with your perspective.

        It took nearly 50 years for the CIA to admit that LHO was a CIA “agent”. Just weeks ago we learn that Jackie O. felt that LBJ was complicit in JFK’s murder. How long will it take for us to learn the truth that 9/11 was a Mossad operation?

        What you did NOT bring up is that Obama, Obama’s Mother and Obama’s maternal grandmother had long-term and well know CIA ties – were they actual CIA agents?

        The last “company” that Obama worked for (BIA) was a CIA front company. Obama, as a young man, was invited to partridge hunt in Pakistan by the head of the Pakistani Military – when was the last time that that Pakistani General invited YOU to go partridge hunting in Pakistan?

        Obama’s father flew from Kenya to Honolulu on a CIA flight – CIA paid expenses – what does THAT tell you? Obama is a lving incarnation of our CIA. It paid for his Daddy, his foster-Daddy and him Mommy (she worked for USAID – a CIA front too).

        Why didn’t you bring this up?

        Of course, 9/11 was in inside job!!! The CIA would have bungled it for sure so most elements must have been handled by the Mossad – that explains the “dancing Israelis” in New Jersey and the early calls to the Jews in the towers. Would Israelis murder Americans? Of course! they murdered all of our sailors on the USS Liberty – ANYTHING to save and protect Israel.

        My prediction – Israel has marine mines of forged or authentic Iranian manufacture. Israel will set one of those mines under one of our big naval ships (possibly in the Persian Gulf) and blow it to kingdom-come. It will be a great coup for Israel – the USA will declare war on Iran and our soldiers will fight and die for Israel’s war. Them Israelis are super sharp! And all americans will rally to the cause – such FOOLS!

    • Lost in Paradise

      I own realestate, but why do I feel like it is not really mine? I have limited rights as a owner, and since 91, even less property rights. If I was injured or something that caused me to not work for 3years, they would take my property for back taxes! Its paid for, but I really don’t own it? What the fK! lIke our constitution really means diddly anymore.

      • jaro

        If anyone believes they own real estate property, just stop paying property taxes to see who really owns it.

        • Betty Sexton

          Amen to that. We do not own anything. Just loose your job and not be able to pay your creditors nor be able to file bankruptcy because you do not have the money, they take all your possessions, even your house because you can not pay your taxes. Amen, our constitution has gone down the drain in the sewer. We only pretend so we do not go nuts. Let me get some more money and I will head to the hills. There is no security anymore in this country. READ THE BIBLE. It tells you about the coming end to this system of things.

          • Kate8

            Paying you property taxes isn’t even a guarantee anymore. People are now being vacated because of trumped-up “code violations”. Sometimes they are told that they must comply with, say, $100,000 in upgrades, knowing full well that they cannot.

            Can you say Agenda 21?

            They are already conning people into submitting to “home inspections”.

            We must get over thinking that we must comply with every new infringement on us by this beast of a government. Are we really such a bunch of sniveling lilly-livers?

          • armyvet

            Obamacare also contains specific rules concerning selling your home! It will require another 3.8% sales tax to pay for this horrific boondoggle!

          • hicusdicus

            The bible will tell you about any thing you want to know and even things you don’t want to know.

        • Angel Wannabe

          jaro, your right, we just rent our own property. Cuz the masta’s let us.

        • hicusdicus

          No taxes no military but plenty of mosques.

      • http://msn KEn

        I was doing some reaading on the mormon religion and their prophet, Joseph Smith back it the 1840′s prophetsied, “That America will be destroyed from “WITHIN” and the constitution “will hang by a thread”. and at this time all this is becoming true.

        • Greg T

          Ben Franklin didn’t think that it would last.

          Most founding fathers knew it would not last without Christians.

    • Rick

      Yes, Vicki your are right. 1st two planks of the comunist manifesto we have in the “Land Of The Free” are the income tax and a Central Bank (Fed reserve) check out

    • WickedPickle

      Amd don’t forget forbidding cigarette smoking (that the g’ment freely gave to every veteran of ww11) in a state that turns right around and legalizes an act that up until the change of the millinum was illegal. So the feds say, “go head ny,ny destroy the smoking heathens but remember any one who still finds a way to purchase the cigs, a portion goes to us”. (wait until the next freedom affects you personally but wait! by then it’ll be too late to protest).

    • Old Henry

      I echo the sentiments Vicki. Great post.

      Do you really thin you own your house / property? Try not paying the taxes to the king.

      • hicusdicus

        I think property taxes are a small pittance to pay for property ownership rights.

        • bigdogbill119


          • hicusdicus

            Whats wrong with me? There is nothing in this life worth having that is free. Never has been never will be. Where do you think you are, in heaven.

        • Vicki

          hicusdicus says:
          “I think property taxes are a small pittance to pay for property ownership rights.”

          Ummmm.. Property taxes are only a small pittance for someone who has enough income that their tax is a small pittance. This condition is not true for most people.

          If you have to pay the king for a right to own something then you do not own it. And you are NOT paying for a right you are paying for a privilege. A privilege can be revoked at any time.

          1 tyrant 3000 miles away or 3000 tyrants one mile away. Is there a difference?

  • Angel Wannabe

    I remember turning on the TV just as the the First of the Twin Towers was burning.__I was on the phone with my husband when the second plane struck, the second of the twin towers_-I remember shouting, my God New York IS under attack!
    ___First of all, were not ever going to know the complete story on 9/11. As far as the Guv goes, we’re told only what “they” want us to hear & believe. As the saying goes if there are lies, and they’re repeated often enough, they eventually become regarded as truth.__

    Now, I’m quite sure, as far as the cell phone ban on jet liners go, that was the last thing on passengers minds, when they called home after they’re plane was hi-jacked. My guess is, they knew they may never go home again, and wanted to say goodbye and at least alert someone of they’re plight. Again_ speculation, without survivor recount, and the black box.
    Even if there is black boxes to speak of, would the truth ever be told and not manipulated anyway?!

    As to what I think the the reason was that Bush wasn’t immediately sent back to Washington after the attacks, there was already thousands dead in the Twin Towers, no one knew at that point if there were more attacks coming, and they didn’t want the President dead too.__(I remember standing on my deck after the attacks looking at a distant power plant, and wondering if they’d target the nuke plants next?!

    As to still being in a war in Afghanistan while Bin Laden is reportedly dead “again”??, we’ll never be rid of them. If one enemy dies, another takes they’re place. They are like the Plague, they’re gonna infect each subsequent generation._ie,Generational wars.

    The Passport lying untouched on the ground amid the rubble of the Twin Towers? Divine intervention? or perfectly placed evidence as a diversion?__You be the judge!_-Questions remain and will remain__WE’LL NEVER KNOW THE WHOLE STORY, EVER.

    • Mark Are

      Two things…Google Architects for 9/11 Truth. And be sure to Google and read “Beware The Psychopaths my Son” by Clinton Callahan, “The Twilight of the Psychopaths by Dr Kevin Barrett. That will give you enough to chew on for 10 years.

      • Lost in Paradise

        That is if you are gullible enough to believe everything you read in a book, or see on television, like most people.

    • mart

      actually it is pretty easy to piece the story together if you do your research. they left more than enough trails of evidence to piece it together.
      as for your comment about the cell phone calls. it was not whether they wanted to call – of course they would want to. it is a question of whether they could in fact make the calls and those calls were impossible to make.

      • Angel Wannabe

        mart, I’ve done plenty of research on the topic_makes no difference how much you research it, NO ONE will ever know the whole truth. It’s all speculation. Most of us on this forum know the Power of the Federal Government and the agencies that work to protect them and they’re interests.

        • WickedPickle

          And THAT’S why even the bare-assed truth will be discounted as a conspiracy.

          • hicusdicus

            If the government openly admitted that they were behind 911 and set it up as a good excuse to kill Arabs. The conspiracy nuts would not believe them and say the Muslims did it.

          • Jay

            This is true hic, whatever the government tells you, believe the opposite!

          • hicusdicus

            Jay, if the government tells you something that is not a lie, it would not be the government it would be your mother.

          • Jay

            Well you know hicusdicus, as BB King use to say: My parents say they love me, but they could be jiving too…

          • Bob C.


            I believe what the law of physics tells me, and physics tells me a dead flame (not mixed with an artificial source of oxygen) can not reach temps. hot enough to melt steel
            there are thousands of engineers now that have openly challenged the findings of 9/11.
            who are you going to believe? a government that anyone with an IQ over a gold fish knows is corrupt as hell, and lies about everything, or private citizens with training in their prospective fields with nothing to gain. just follow the money, can you say ‘military industrial complex’

      • Angel Wannabe

        mart, “as for your comment about the cell phone calls. it was not whether they wanted to call – of course they would want to. it is a question of whether they could in fact make the calls and those calls were impossible to make.”

        go back a read what Bob Livingston wrote, he stated that, cell phones were “NOT ALLOWED” to be used higher than 10,000 feet. That being said, Cells phones that don’t worked because of being “Technically Impossible” AND those cell phones that work, but are “Not Allowed”__ are two entirely different scenarios?!?

        • BigBadJohn

          regardless… I traveled for living in the years leading up to and after 9/11.

          Even though it was a mandatory policy to turn off your cell phones, on more than one occasion, I left mine on and watched as we climbed out. Generally I would lose a signal at about 5-6000 feet. By 10000 feet there definitely was no signal.
          Someone else mentioned satellite phones, but that is NOT what people carry with them.

          So how high was that flight in PA?
          If there is a coverup story on that flight it was because it was shot down.

        • Bob Livingston

          Dear Angel Wannabe,

          I said the technology did not allow the use of cellphones.

          Best wishes,

  • oldbill

    The government simply responded poorly to the attack. Two of the planes should have been shot down instead of just one (the one over Pennsylvania left no engine imprints on the ground in the field. It was shot down). The second plane that hit the second Trade Center Tower could have been shot down. The planes that hit the first Trade Center and the Pentagon, likely could not have been shot down, considering the sorry state of US Defense readiness at the time. The only elected official that showed any leadership was Senator Biden when he came out of the bunker at the Capitol. Although I disagree with his politics, he has my respect. I am a Vietnam veteran.

    • JimRed

      The second plane was well on its way, while the first strike was still being evaluated as a possible accident. There would have been no time for a shootdown.

      • JeffH

        JimRed, there was more than enough time to shoot down the 2nd plane…roughly 1hr and 38 minutes between the two crashes! These passenger jets are tracked through the airspaces and there should have been alerts when they are out of their flight paths…there was an underlying reason why both planes were “allowed” to hit the Twin Towers as well as the third hitting the Pentagon.

        • Kate8

          JeffH – From what some military men reported, there was to be a “training exercise” that day, and they were told ahead of time to stand down.

          They stood and watched it happen, as they were under orders to do nothing.

          • WickedPickle

            And who ordered that instruction to take effect? No other than Chaney, hidden deep within his chamber of solice.

        • JimRed

          An hour and thirty eight minutes? I don’t know where you got your timeline. The two crashes were at 8:46:26 and at 9:02:54. Sixteen minutes and forty seconds. How long for someone in the national security apparatus to think “hey, suppose it was not an accident”, “who do I call”, “where do I find them”? The responsible party taking the call, “can this be an attack”, “how can I get confirmation”, “with whom do I have to clear my actions”? The next level of command, “what are our available resources and how quickly can we get them up”? Five to seven minutes before an order to respond is even given. They might have even gotten plane #2 if they had known exactly where to look. But I’ll bet that command was not yet fully convinced that it was an attack until the second plane made it crystal clear.

          Either you are misinformed, or are pushing an agenda.

          • JeffH

            JimRed, my bad…? Mis-informed I guess!

        • Reynold

          The Wikipedia article states that there were 17 minutes between the two airplane strikes.

      • vicki

        The first plane into a tower in modern history, combined with WHICH tower it was, combined with much intel that someone was planning some kind of attack is all the defense needed to initiate a callup and scramble of fighters to all sensitive targets in the eastern seaboard.

        If it later turned out to really be an accident then all those nice fighter pilots got a good exercise.

    • Greyhawk

      If we had a legitimate military presence in the USA today as we did in the past, an Air Force ADC (Air Defense Commnad) attack plane would have been launched immediately and these planes would have been shot down long before they hit the towers or the Pentagon. That used to be their mission, but this mission has either been eliminated or farmed out to Air National Guard or Air Force Reserve Units that do not keep aircraft on the ground running 24-7 with pilots on stand by alert as they did back in the days when we had a Real Military. Richard Nixon began the downsizing of the military and the closing of bases, and Ford followed suit, and Jimmy Carter continued the dismantling of our active forces, and our military has been going down hill ever since. That is why now we have so many national guardsmen fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq today who routinely have their orders extended, as volunteers are drying up and there are not enough live bodies willing to be sacrificed to the Military Industrial Complex.

      • “O”no

        Exactly right GreyHawk. The real conspiracy here is the “Gutting” of America from the superpower it once was. The United States saved the world and ended WWII. We did this because we were all united & had a purpose! Today the only purpose we have is to sit around and dream up conspiracy theories! WOW…to read the postings on this blog is very mind opening! To think of all the wasted time the individuals have wasted DREAMING up these elaborate schemes & plots is mind numbing! The real “Conspiracy” is the fact that the people who dream up these stories are going to get rich from idiots who will buy their books & DVD’s “explaining” the elaborate plots & “facts” behind the “Shadow Government” & how we are all “Slaves”. WAKE UP people…get off the couch & the computer…get a job & be productive in society. If you think AMERICA is so bad & corupt…MOVE TO ANOTHER COUNTRY!!

        • mike

          It is suprising how blind people can be. All the evidence that shows that 9/11 was a inside job and you don’t see it??? WOW

          • JimRed

            Evidence? NO! Lies, half truths and speculation. Sells books, vids and DVDs, though.

          • BigBadJohn

            A 40-year-old Federal Aviation Administration rule that allowed commercial airline pilots to be armed was inexplicably rescinded two months before the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, leading aviation security experts to lay at least some of the blame for the tragedy at the feet of airlines, none of which took advantage of the privilege while it was in effect.

            The FAA adopted the armed pilot rule shortly after the Cuban missile crisis of 1961 to help prevent hijackings of American airliners. It remained in effect for four decades.

            But in July 2001 – just two months prior to the Sept. 11 attacks – the rule was rescinded.

            Read more: Armed pilots banned2 months before 9-11

      • JeffH


        • vicki

          Our air defense was gutted long before the ADC was weakend. The decision to deny law abiding citizens their CREATOR given right to keep and bear arms doomed those planes.

          This is what should have happened that day.

    • Mark Are

      What a joke. The guv responded badly. I guess. Since they were BEHIND it along with Israel. Remember the dancing MOSSAAD AGENTS?

      • tomcat

        no way ddid the govt. know about this. It would be impossible to keep the dems and reps. all quiet about it. that would require them all working together an it would not happen.

        • “O”no

          Exactly right tomcat! The government can’t even agree about wiping their own a**es let alone putting a plot of this magnitude together & then keeping quit about it.

          OH wait a minute….I forgot…it wasn’t the “government” was it! It was the “SHADOW” government!!! You know..the real government behind the visible government.

          I’m not quit sure how many levels of “governments” we have behind the government we all see and know. But if it is even close to the one we know & see….here again….there is no way possible they could be behind this. I have to go through an act of congress just to talk to my congressman! I couldn’t imagine what I’d have to go through to speak to someone in the “Shadow” government. Can anyone provide me with the phone # or the website to get in touch with the Shadow Government?? I really have some questions to ask them?

        • TIME


          Perhaps you should read your post again, then think outside the box. I know that will strain your little gray matter pool but perhaps a rippel in there now and then will do you a lot of good.

          The truth is a Reb is no differant than Dem once they hit the DC beltway they become “ONE.”

          Now wake up and start learning and open your little mind to the vast world that is beyond that small box you live in.

        • JeffH

          Gee tomcat, why should an inside job be cleared through Congress? Think about it a moment…Congress only knows what they are told much like we only know what we are told…once again, prima facie.

          If you would even think that the CIA or any other agency, covert or not, is going to “broadcast” their operations to Congress then I have a bridge to nowhere you just might be interested in…cheap!

          • Jay

            Elementary my dear Watson, elementary! Is it just me Jeff, or have you noticed a rather sizeable swarming of nay-sayers descend on this site? They claim the conspiracy theories are all non-sense, yet they are willing to spend their time and energy refuting that which they consider is all non-sense! If i were them, i wouldn’t spend one second of my time. I wonder if they would invest as much time and energy refuting the claim, should someone here, claim to believe in Santa Claus? They’re so transparent!

          • JeffH

            Jay, without question! Expect the assault to get worse before it get better. I know you’re up for the fight as well as so many others. I have no problem standing “shoulder to shoulder” with all of you and plan to continue taking the fight to them under my terms, not theirs.
            Their terms of warfare are well publisized in Alinsky’s “Rules For Radicals”. To understand them is a key to defeating them.

          • BrotherPatriot

            Actually, Jay…It seems there are more & more people starting to speak up about the inconsistancies that the MSM/Gov has been feeding us.

            I think American’s are waking up overall to the crimes & frauds being perpetrated against We the People.

            Of course…My glass is half full…always and I have great hope that we are going to turn this all around.

            God Bless.

        • WickedPickle

          Ah! but this was for THEIR beneficial interests and not the people that they (so-calledly) represent.

    • mart

      You fall for that like all before you. Considering you are vietnam vet you must be at an age where you should be able to do your own thinking. Do your research first and then make conclusions.
      Cheney took over NORAD June 1 2011….strike you as a suspicions coincidence
      NORAD had about 3 drills running ON Sep 11, 2011 that effectively had most of their jets stationed in Canada and Iceland and only few jets left to protect US territory….strike you as suspicious?
      Do your research and don’t be lazy. Sick and tired of people like you.

      • TNJan

        Mart, did you mean to type “2001″ instead of 2011? I hope so, because Cheney was not in office in 2011 to take over ANYTHING, and Sept. 11, 2011, is NOT HERE YET!! Please correct your typo, gives more credence to what you write. No reflection on the intended content of your post!

      • JeffH

        According to General Eberhart, Commander of the North American Aerospace Defense Command and U.S. Northern Command after the first attack, “it took about 30 seconds” to make the adjustment to the real-world situation. Because of an increased number of staff, the exercise would prove to be an enabler of rapid military response for NORAD and its NEADS component, as senior officials who were manning NORAD command centers throughout the U.S. were available to make rapid decisions.

        The question remains unanswered as to why the second plane was allowed to hit the second tower and why was the third plane allowed to hit the pentagon?

  • Kate kat

    PLEASE! This is a simple thing here. bush was not in office long enough to do anything bad! Second of all it was clintion that visited Bin lauden a few months before the attack. third of all we had almost no security back then also because of Clinton. The government DID NOT DO THIS ONE! I am sorry to break hearts of those that want it to be, but GET REAL! It was terrorist and that’s that! You can say what you want, but they are also trying to understand it 100%! I know I have talked with higher ups that were involved and they are not the kind that makes things up to protect the Government. they have told me to remain quite about the fact that it was NOT the government, but they should know me better than that lol. Any way they like the fact that people are not quick enough to say “No this was not the government.” It would actually be less damaging if it was the Government. That way they wouldn’t have to hide the fact that they didn’t do their job in protecting us. that liberals are a drain and a danger to American soil! This way you blame the government and Bang they are out of hot VERY hot water!

    • duggy

      kate i s typical of the “i said it so it must be true” type of brainwashed citizen; this type offers no facts, evidence or proof of their assertions or claims ! there are so many facts that dispute or disprove the official conspiracy theory that such claims should have long since faded away

      • Alcam

        You are spot on. It is the mindless who allow the spivs to rob the people, and if it is convenient, to kill a few so that the rest are frightened. The robber barons are hard at work (that is why they are entitled to such massive incomes) taking control of everything and everyone. The number of warnings before the event would have been sufficient for even an idiot to check things out and possibly prevent the whole thing. Unfortunately the habit of ignoring warnings is not a recent trend. I believe a decoded message from a German in Japan provided a 3 week warning about the attack on Pearl Harbour. The U.S.A of course ignored it – who would have the courage ( = stupidity) to attack US.

        • Vally Joe

          It has been well documented that the US Navy was tracking the Japanese Fleet across the Pacific and knew exactly when they would arrive at Pearl. The “sneak attack” was allowed to proceed because it was the means to get us into WW2, against the wishes of the American People.

          On 9/11, Dick Cheney was conducting a Drill at Norad. (I have never heard of a VP doing this before or since.) It is standard military procedure that any sign of enemy activity automatically requires that drills be cancelled. Why didn’t this happen on 9/11?

        • Buddy

          Yes, Alcam, you’re correct. There are many trails to disasters which all point to the people in charge of governments. Yes, the Pearl Harbor disaster was allowed to happen because FDR wanted the USA to get into the European war. Go figure – Japan bombed Pearl Harbor and the majority of the USA’s focus was on Europe.

          Then, ask why the USA was involved in WWI? Because the Lusitania was sunk – while being rerouted through German submarine waters. If one examines the histories of USA involvement in wars, the pattern of our welfare/warfare government easily emerges. We are easily led!!

        • mart

          Well you are partly right about that. Technically this was all engineered by Roosevelt administration. This has all been declassified. It never ceases to amaze me how many people don’t have a clue about what happened even since these docs have been aired on national TV.’
          They sent false communication (knowing the japs had broken the code) that they were attacking Japan. Japan had no choice but preemptively attack as they were already out of resources due to naval blockade. They sent their flagship on a one way mission (they didn’t even have the gas to come back).
          Roosevelt knew that Japan had taken the bait and yes Pearl Harbor was the sacrificial lamb as were the twin towers.
          I think even if they declassify what happened on 9/11 people will still won’t pay attention….

      • “O”no


        Such claims will NEVER die away. There will always be the cooqes in the closet making the extrodinary claims. Grabbing some “leaked” goverment document and streching it from more than what it was to make ridiculous claims. Case in point…JFK & MLK…& now 911. It will go on & on.

      • Carlucci

        Kate kat must have gone to school just to eat her lunch. It is obvious that she has never read any real history of false flag operations when regimes want to take over a nation, or cause a “war”. Kate kat and those of her ilk are a wicked government’s wet dream – i.e., a “useful idiot” who never questions anything. She reminds me of those despicible turncoat jews in Nazi Germany who helped put their own brethren on the trains to the death camps.

        Kate kat – have you put in an application at the TSA or the FEMA death camps? Sounds like you’d be in like flynn at either one.

    • Jibbs

      You should take a class or two on demolition. It’s not rocket science!

    • / OldTimer

      I’m with you, Kate. Anyone can put any kind of a twist on any kind of a story, and people out there will gobble it down. Hey, look how many people believed that out current president would be a good leader. Hope the kool aid has worn off within this next year.

      • Erin

        Yes, I agree that anyone can put any spin on any story… whether it is maistream media OR alterative media. However the people who are “gobbling it down” are the ones who listen to Fox News, CNN, etc. and accept all their stories as truth without question – NOT the people who are questioning what they hear, and doing their own research – especially in this case which is peppered with publicly documented discrepancies.

      • mart

        Yes and that is why you look at the evidence and then make judgement who is putting a spin on stuff and who is not.

        It’s not rocket science.

        However, if you are lazy and just sit on your fat ass getting brainwashed by Fox and the rest that will not happen obviously.

    • wandamurline

      But his Daddie was….and his daddy did not like Hussein…he had a real grudge against the man over Hussein not cooperating with Bush during his tenure as president…and his daddie is a One World guy.

    • Mark Are

      Kate kat…I suspect you and MOST Americans suffer from the following disorder…

      Cognitive dissonance is a discomfort caused by holding conflicting ideas simultaneously. The theory of cognitive dissonance proposes that people have a motivational drive to reduce dissonance. They do this by changing their attitudes, beliefs, and actions.[2] Dissonance is also reduced by justifying, blaming, and denying. The phrase was coined by Leon Festinger in his 1956 book When Prophecy Fails, which chronicled the followers of a UFO cult as reality clashed with their fervent beliefs.[3][4] It is one of the most influential and extensively studied theories in social psychology. A closely related term, cognitive disequilibrium, was coined by Jean Piaget to refer to the experience of a discrepancy between something new and something already known or believed.

      Experience can clash with expectations, as, for example, with buyer’s remorse following the purchase of an expensive item. In a state of dissonance, people may feel surprise,[2] dread, guilt, anger, or embarrassment. People are biased to think of their choices as correct, despite any contrary evidence. This bias gives dissonance theory its predictive power, shedding light on otherwise puzzling irrational and destructive behavior.

      “YOUR” government is full of angels and saints. Only OTHER peoples governments are full of Psychopaths. “OURS” is wonderful and sweet and would never hurt us. Only other people live in countries where “their” governments would hurt them. Take off your emerald glasses Kate. OZ IS DUNG BROWN not emerald green.

    • Grandma Sharon

      I know there is a lot of “underground” things going on within our government, but if began to doubt the reality of our government and its strength where will we be? I know 9-11 was horrible (Almost like watching old media streams from WW II) and I know it changed America as what we use to know – BUT if you deneigh the reality of our government … How can U be an American??? I know there are always things beyond the public eye. I know that by watching the TV story last weekend about 9-11 the American Government screwed up … but as my faith in Jesus Christ states there are only 2 men who have been willing to die for me – 1. JESUS CHRIST and 2. The American Troops. Get behind your troops and let them know they are not fighting in vain. Look around and let others know U are supporting our men in uniform. Lets learn from 9-11 and go forward. I know the lives lost were many, and for this I am sad. Lest we all forget back our men in uniform, and go forth asking the Lord, Jesus Christ for guidance in America. I know I pray Lord Bless America … but in the back of my mind I feel why should he? We are getting to be a totally )(()(*&& country. I ask that we look at the past as a lesson and go forth. I AM PATRIOTIC – My husband is a VN Vet. If we turn from America – then we need to move on and move out!! Love us or Leave us!! Amen. From this 68 year old wise grandmother.

    • Brian

      “I know I have talked with higher ups that were involved and they are not the kind that makes things up to protect the Government. they have told me to remain quite about the fact that it was NOT the government, but they should know me better than that lol.”

      A classic claim made by people who think they know everything but in fact, know absolutely nothing.

    • ifreemantoo


      So didn’t GWB get Henry Kissinger appointed as the first head of the 9/11 Commission? So when Kissinger quit because Bin Laden was his client well that’s just conspiracy talk and not fact. How big are your pom poms?

    • herman richardson

      They have you convinced, make sure you remember that when you get on the train so they can PROTECT you, that my friend is a fact that will come to pass, look how well they are protecting us now, yeah right.

    • Jay

      Kate Kat, are you familiar with the history of the Bush family? By your statement it appears you do not! If you were familiar with the history of the Bush family, you would not have made that statement!

  • Charlotte

    Go check this out. Yeah, we are slaves. I believe the 9/11 happened because it was a One World Order issue. Our government doesn’t care about our lives. I’m so disillusioned by the research I’ve been doing. Don’t even feel like voting next year — in this case does it matter who gets in?

    • Jack

      Always vote! Even if the Globalists control both parties (–some elements of both), a RINO republican President,(McCain, Romney,Cain, Gingritch)would still be slightly better than a Demon-cratic Globalist (O’Bama, Hillary). Here are a few answers: Bldg #7 came down to COVER the fact its vaults were robbed of gold bullion, the robbery being the REAL reason for 911. I don’t know whether it was Arabs/some organ of our govt./Globalists. An Arab firm was liscenced to work on the “elevators” until shortly before 911. Thermite means there DEFINITELY was a conspiracy to take-down the towers. Flight 93 was definitely a shoot-down, the white jet a CIA-F-16 whose first missles blew-off the engines. The pentagon hit was NOT a Jet, but a missle. A smaller jet could have been made to “act-like” a missle, and that would explain why its smaller jet engine was found, rather than commercial-jet type engines. Many experts state the Globalists will USE the Islamists to destroy religion in this country. IMO, one of the Islamic “terrorists” is the President! He and Hillary attended the Bilderberger meeting shortly before the 08 campaign, the ONLY TIME, before or since, the two have “slipped their reporter-teams”. At that meeting, he was TOLD to “crash the US Economy” and with his restrictions on mining & drilling, hundreds of thousands of Energy jobs have been prevented/held-up. We COULD be an OPEC-nation, but for O’Bama, and his Globalist-Communists at the EPA. Instead of being Trillions in debt, we could have PAID for every program O’Bama wanted! The USA has greater oil/coal/gas reserves than the entire middle east, but the “Eco-nazis” keep it all in the ground. Increased regulations, O’Bamacare, and the desire for increased corporate taxes, KEEP the economy repressed to the point of Depression. This conspiracy of the Globalists has the ideological “cover” of the fact that this is want the cheif Demon-cratic stratedgists WOULD normally say/do. Although murdering mis-anthropes, HITLER & Tojo got us out of the Depression, Not FDR.

      • wandamurline

        Get a copy of the communists manifesto of 1958 or the Weather Underground (Bill Ayers/Bernadette Dorn) from the 1970′s for your very own blueprint of how they intend to take over without firing a shot….remember the Russian President in the 70′s who stated that America would be taken without firing a shot….what better way than from the inside. We may still have a chance to stop them, but it will not happen if Obumer gets another four years….another four of him will completely dissimate this country.

        • Mark Are

          The communist manifesto 1958? Don’t you mean 1848?

        • mark

          It wasn’t the Russian president it was the Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev who said that early in the 1960s. But I wouldn’t cite him as a reference. He was overthrown by the Politiburo a few years later and the state he ruled the Soviet Union collapsed into the dustbin of history while the United States, despite a tough recession, is still standing.

          • Jay

            I don’t know mark, it sounds like you’re suggesting it was a conspiracy theory!

      • Adair

        If a missle hit the Pentagon, and the size of the hole certainly makes that a reasonable assumption, where are the passengers and the plane that was reported to have hit the Pentagon?

        If that plane were destroyed in order to make the story believable, where did it crash? Barbara, the wife of Ted Olson,the Solicitor General at the time, was on the plane that hit the Pentagon. But if it wasn’t a plane, and it was a missle, how did they conceal the plane?

        More questions, no answers.

    • Erin

      Charlotte – you must keep the faith and know we CAN do something to stop this insanity of lies and deception which I, too, believe stems from the NWO agenda and systematically dispersed through controlled mainstream media. But PLEASE… it is so important that you vote! Google ‘Ron Paul’ and you will see his exemplary congressional voting record against ALL unconstitutional legislation, his strong message of freedom and his humble yet straightforward approach to the issues plaguing our country today (war, federal spending, etc). He is a champion of our Constitution and the ONLY candidate who will stop this increasingly intrusive Federal Government intervention in every aspect of our personal lives. He also believes that the government is full of tricks and deception and wants to put and end to that.

      Ron Paul 2012!

      • Mark Are

        Ron Paul may be one of the only “normal” people in politics. The rest are certified PSYCHOPATHS. They have no conscience and don’t care about YOU, your family, your dog, cat, or whatever. You are “their” property to dispose of as they wish. And as soon as folks wake up to “their” agenda, the sooner we as a PLANET can be free.

  • Jerry

    I hate to tell you this, but this account is just plain wrong. I work in a ‘commuity’ that would know if 9/11 was a US govt conspiracy or not. This was definitely not the case. BTW, Thermite is essentially powdered iron oxide and aluminum, not some sort of exotic compound. The whole idea of powdered iron and aluminum or the traces of the two together at the WTC as some sort of sabotage device is ludicrous. There were hundreds of thousands of tons of steel (iron) and aluminum in those structures. You are going to find traces of iron and aluminum powder everywhere in the debris of those buildings no matter what. The temperatures of the burning jet fuel don’t need to melt steel. They just have to weaken it enough to eliminate its ability to hold the tens of thousands of tons of mass above it. The rest of the destruction would simply be handled by gravity. That is why the second tower hit was the first one to fall down. It was hit lower down, so the damaged support members had to carry much more weight. The point that the burning fuel had weakened the steel support members enough for structural failure was reached much sooner. I’m also an engineer by training. But the bottom line is that Al Qaeda is responsible for 9/11….period. But I blame the Clinton administration for enabling the attacks to happen as well.

    • Sandra

      Hey Jerry

      Tell me how in the world TWO buildings just collapse into themselves? I have watched many buildings implode and collapse onto themselves, but only when charged with many tons of explosives that are placed very carefully by experts from companies that specialize in that …

      Really??? A jet airplane can accomplish the same thing ???


      • Al Sieber

        Jerry, it’s so fortunate for Governments that people don’t think.

        • duggy

          sandra and al are spot on ; the weak arguments that make claims and provied no real proof are what allow the perpetrators to get away with the “new pearl harbor”

      • Capitalist at Birth

        This has been explained on the National Geographic Channel, and the Science Channel. Refuting all of this speculative nonsense.

        • Al Sieber

          You mean like explained by Popular Mechanics, published by Hearst who were masters at “Yellow Journalism”.

          • TIME

            Hey Al,

            Great point! Saddly it will go right over that twinkies head we all know what fills twinkies now don’t we. Zit Cream.

        • hicusdicus

          Capitalist at Birth, Give it up, these people are all dyed in the wool conspiracy nut cases.

          • Al Sieber

            hicusdicus, define conspiracy theory, bet you can’t. you got your head up your a$$.

          • Jay

            And you’re here because?

          • Kate8

            hicus – If even two people plot something, that is a conspiracy. Every crime planned by more than one perp is a conspiracy.

            Groups of people always have and always will be plotting to control the tide of world events and mass thinking. Hence, we always have and always will have conspiracies.

            You’ve just bought into another conspiracy. That is, to discredit anyone who attempts to expose their conspiracies.

            People need to stop responding to the emotional charge that is given to buzz words in order to deflect you from discovering the truth.

          • hicusdicus

            Jay, I am because its fun to play with the retards. The best part is that it is so easy to make them cry.

          • Jay

            Well, at least you’re doing something constructive with your life. I suppose picking on retards, as you say, may not be as bad as torturing little animals! We’ll gladly take the punishment hicusdicus, if it means saving the life of a little, innocent, creature.

      • DeLummox

        The reason the twin towers collapsed the same way was physics. My father was friends with one of the founders of CDI Controlled Demolion Inc., that what brought buildings down, was gravity. They used explosives to weaken the supports, and gravity did the rest. My father was a firefighter in London England in WWII, and saw many buildings collapse from fires, He explained that as the tempurature gets hotter, it dries out the concrete, by evaporating the water out of it. The concrete turns to dust and the heated steel beams collapse as the steel is a reinforcement for the concrete which bears the load. The tempurature are not hot enought to melt steel, but hot enough to dehydrate concrete and soften the steel. Since the fires were limited to one floor, the supports on that floor were all weakened, causing the collapse of the buildings. This is inentical to how CDI demolishes buildings, and why the buildings collapsed gy themselves.

      • tomcat

        yes sandra, it can. the heat warped the beams above the 78th floor, that were not treated to prevent such failure. they bent an under the weight of the upper floors, an came straight down. there have been many documentaries on the collapse of WTC 1 an 2. the builder of the building tried extensively to contact Washington to tell them the buildings wound come down, but was unable to get through.

      • Jerry

        Yes, those buildings could have easily imploded purely as a result of the impact of those airliners and the effects of the ensuing fires. They literally collapsed under their own weight. You had thirty to forty stories of massive building being held up by steel that was being heated to several hundred degree by burning jet fuel.You don’t have to melt steel to achieve the effect. You only have to soften it enough. Burning jet fuel can certainly do that.

        • James A

          The building held up rather well to the impact of the airliners, probably due to the fact that the main structural columns were on the perimeter of the building. You are correct, of course, that the fire was a different matter. The photos clearly show the buckling of the perimeter columns due to the softening caused by the fire. The heating and expansion of the horizontal beams likely pushed them outward beyond the limits of the floor supports, thus the “pancaking”. Those perimeter columns had to carry almost the entire weight of the floors above, especially critical in Building #2. Those planes had a substantial fuel load as they hadn’t been airborne that long. I suspect that the requirement for fire proofing thickness will be greatly expanded in future high rise buildings.

          Professional Civil Engineer

      • James A

        The main structural columns of the WTC were on the “exterior” part of the building, rather unconventional, but effective. When the horizontal beams were heated by the tremendous quantities of jet fuel, they expanded. The photographs just prior to “pancaking” show this very clearly. The floors were sitting on on “angle iron seats” connected to the exterior columns. When those supports expanded out from under the concrete floors, they pancaked onto the floors below. Those “seats” were not designed for impact loads and failed, collapsing onto the next floor and so on. The compression of air which escaped through the building skin gave the appearance of explosions often seen in controlled demolitions. It wasn’t that the beams were weakened so much as they expanded and removed the floor support which caused the pancaking. The American Society of Civil Engineers has done a detailed study of the collapse mechanism which you may wish to peruse.

        As to the lack of engine imprints at the Pennsylvania crash site, I can tell you as an aviator that when you exceed “red line speed” stuff starts coming off the airframe. The first things to go are normally the engine pods. That aircraft was close to red line speed in horizontal flight. When the hijacker pushed the nose down without retarding the throttles or deploying speed brakes, the aircraft got to red line speed very quickly. It is hardly surprising that parts of the aircraft would be found miles away.

        Clintons policy of not allowing government security agencies (FBI, CIA, DIA) to share information was a major factor in this disaster. I believe more than one FBI agent complained about middle eastern flight students who wanted to learn to fly, but not to land commercial aircraft. There is no question that the government responded badly to the incident due to confusion caused by the scheduled exercise.

        • BrotherPatriot

          What a rediculous post…I almost didn’t want to acknowledge or respond to it, James A. But I find myself completely agast at your seemingly eloquent description. Obviously you buy into & are trying to promote the MSM/Government’s false version. It is impossible, even with your description, to explain the virtual free fall speed that both buildings came down in that clearly shows they had very minimal resistance as they collapsed…the only way this is possible if the steel supports were severed. Much less come down into their own foot prints without toppling this way or that into other near by buildings! What about the steel beems shot out from the debrie as it came down?

          Check out what Firefighter John Schroeder has to say about it! But with that said…take the time to watch all the videos on the below site.

          Explain Building 7 now, James A…if you dare. What about the fact that the lower sections of the building was coming at the same speed at the top at free fall…???!!!??? Especially when it only had some light fires on a few levels & it never was hit by a plane?

          God Bless you and may you & all the rest like you one day see the light of truth.

          • James A

            Reread my post! The main structural columns on the WTC are on the “exterior” of the building. That contained the implosion. It acted like a giant elevator shaft. The floor seats were designed to hold the weight of the floor and its contents with a safety factor of two or three. They were NOT designed to withstand impact loading. After two or three floors failed, their combined weight, falling due to gravity (32 fps/sec), had no trouble failing the seats on the lower floors even though they had no fire damage. The combined weight of numerous floor slabs pulled the support columns to the center of the building. Thus it failed on its own footprint. I have not read the report on Bldg. 7 and have no opinion on its failure. I suspect, however, that the impact loading was transmitted to the rock foundation on which all NYC buildings are constructed and which would have been the equivalent of a magnitude 8 or 9 earthquake and therefore capable of failing a building which was apparently not touched by the aircraft.

          • Whisper

            The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) recently came out with a report on why World Trade Center 7 came down. It had nothing to do with sabotage and everything to do with fire. The report raises concerns that other large buildings might be more vulnerable to fire induced structural collapse than anyone ever imagined. Check it out James.

          • Jay

            Oh yes Whisper, a federally funded institution. For sure, no bias there! Nudge nudge, wink wink!

          • BrotherPatriot

            Nope…don’t buy it one bit, James A.

            The enormous steel beams below would have created resistance and caused the buildings debrie from above to be deflected off to the sides (if they hadn’t been cut due to the explosive charges set on them, that is).

            There is absolutely no way it would cause a catastrophic failure of this magnitude and a continuous pancake affect. There would have been a large portion of the buildings still standing after the collapse. Not the entire buildings falling mostly into their footprints as we saw happen.

            Also, when they began removing the debrie many of the steel beams were already convienyantly cut into sections that fit into the removal trucks.

            This was a planned, orchestrated event that screams FOUL. They killed our people, have been covering it all up but this is nothing new to them. They have murdered millions of people down through the years (WW1 & WW2 for example as they fund both sides of the wars) and one day they will pay for their crimes against humanity.

            Crimes against humanity. Crimes against humanity. Crimes against humanity.

            One day we will all properly mourn the lives that have been ended by this hidious thing we call, the New World Order. One day the truth of it all will come out into the light as the truth always does eventually.

            Keep waking up my brothers & sisters. Only by standing in the light of God’s truth can we ever be truely free. Pursue this truth no matter the ugliness that is brought to bear against you. For once you step away from this mundane, material world…the only thing that matters is how you served the positive power, the one true power…and that is God himself. Which ever name you call Him by, your energy will join Him at the end if you served the postive side loyally.

            God Bless.

        • hicusdicus

          James A, If you want to know the real truth of why this country is collapsing just read all the nut case posts on this forum.

          • Jay

            And to get a clear picture we would have to include you!

          • Kate8

            hicus – So, what you are saying, is that a sane person will simply accept, without question, the line of cr*p we are fed by those with an agenda, regardless of how implausible or suspicious things appear, and no matter how it works to their advantage.

            Conversely, those who find questions left unanswered, ignored or just plain spun, are nut cases.

            Wow. No wonder we are where we are. Baaaaaaaaahhhh.

          • hicusdicus

            Jay, absolutely!

        • BigBadJohn

          If you follow this explanation, the outer shell collapsed and brought the central columns with it.

          More likely, the outer shell would have peeled away like a banana skin and left AT LEAST some portion of the central support columns standing. But they actually collapsed at the same rate and same time as the outer shell.
          It just does not seem even remotely plausible that the weakened steal theory would have also brought the central columns down at the same time.

          • James A

            You don’t read very well do you. The WTC design was unique in that the structural columns were on the outside perimeter and spaced closely together. There were no significant central columns except for the elevator shafts. The floors acted as stiffeners and only had enough depth to carry their own weight plus live load (people, furniture, etc.)When the floor beams heated, expanded and pushed out the heat softened colums,the floor support was lost and they pancaked onto the floors below. The floor supports on the lower floors were not designed for impact loading so they failed as well. Look at the videos and photos that show the outside columns buckling.

    • Frances

      He was talking about the fact that molten steel was pouring off the building and was still there in the rubble for days after the attacks.

    • BH

      OK, fine, the two towers went down by gravity. Sudden collapse at the floor where the plane crashed caused the building above to fall into the building below.

      But what about the third building? There is a video on YouTube showing the collapse. Not a really tall building like the other two. Not hit by a plane. Fell straight down on its own footprint, just like a controlled demolition. Not like a building that burns and then when nearly burned up, starts to collapse.

      My point isn’t that what happened to the third building is proof positive of anything. Just that it deserved a more detailed investigation and report than we received.

      Seems clear that the third and fourth planes were shot down. Our leaders presume that we can’t take the truth.

      • wandamurline

        Our leaders never tell us the truth and that is the problem.

    • Mark Are

      Jerry is either a FOOL, a TROLL or both. Which is it Jerry? You can’t be that EFFING STUPID. Or could you?

      • Ray

        You must be the lib troll, with all the insults you throw out. Why can you not just argue your own logical points, let others respond to it, then sit back and watch the replies ??

        Also, Jerry is right. Uh – have you ever seen the many video clips of the 2 planes that were flown into the WTC buildings by muslim terrorists ? Kinda hard to disprove they were not brought down by the fires which weakened the steel supports.

        I would imagine that those who built the 2 buildings never thought to make them impact-proof by commercial jets containing thousands of gallons of jet fuel – -

        • Brian
          • Ray

            You should read the stories you are quoting -

            This is from the above link -

            “But this was of course a completely abnormal situation and one which would not have been envisaged by the people who built it. The strength of the towers was enormous but they would not have been designed for aircraft strikes.

            “There are buildings which are designed to withstand plane impacts but these are mainly for very sensitive buildings. The main impact on a building would be from the engines because they hold the mass of the plane, but there is also the fuel which would ignite.

            “Because the structure is steel and concrete, the main fire load is in the furniture and the carpets.The towers were designed to be so tall to maximise the available space in the plaza below. They were initially expected to be just 80-90 floors high but the extra height was incorporated to make them the world’s tallest buildings – a distinction they held until just 1974.

            Any other ideas ?

        • TIME


          Man you have your head in the bloody sand don’t you.

          You would be wise to explore what the towers were in fact designed to handle ~~ so two smaller jets with less that 1/2 of their feul loads would not have brought down even one of these units let alone all of them.

          But hey why let facts or the TRUTH get in the way of heads in the sand gang.

          • Ray

            Please put forth the ‘facts and truth’, as you say – so those of us you lump together as laboring under false ideas can be enlightened, since you must be assuming the mantle of the ultimate arbiter of ‘facts and truth’ -

    • hicusdicus

      Jerry, don’t tell these nut cases that sort of dribble. You will ruin their wet dream.

  • Sandra

    I was living in the Boston area in 2001. On Sept 10, 2001, I flew out of Logan on a 6:30am (approx) flight to Colorado Springs. As we were waiting to take our postion on the runway to take-off, our pilot came on and said that there was an emergency on a flight that had just taken off and they were coming back to the airport for an emergency landing and that we would have to wait until they landed, before we could take-off.

    We had that nice ‘side-ways’ view of the runway as passengers… The plane landed and taxied to the end of the runway, and turned to the left AWAY from the terminals, to an unoccupied area. We watched as about 15 to 20 state police cruisers rushed to the plane. No fire trucks, no ambulances .. just police cruisers…

    We were then cleared for take-off and as we went ‘gear-up’ we passed by the plane on our left… it was surrounded by state policemen …

    Never heard a word about it on the news… never heard anyone speak of it .. what the heck happened that morning??? Strange coincidence? I think not …

    • hicusdicus

      Sandra, that is one of the reasons smoking pot is not allowed before take off.

  • David Innes

    Were the twin towers brought down by internal explosives? I’ve seen on TV many examples of old silos, factories, chimneys etc blasted to earth. It takes months of preparation–drilling holes by the hundreds, placing explosives, running wires etc. It’s inconceivable to think that could have occurred on 9/11. Hundreds of people would have to be part of such a conspiracy & people in the buildings would have noticed all this unusual activity & someone would have asked questions.I’m no engineer, but am reasonably sensible!

    • Jibbs

      No one would have to see anything, do you know how many mechanical floors are in a shyscraper? There are several layers of them, they contain anout 2 to 3 floors in each layer.

      Wake up and pay attention.

    • Mark Are

      And with what knowledgeable authority do you come to the conclusion that “hundreds” would have to be involved??

      • tomcat

        your right mark, would have taken thousands. both dems an reps. could never happen. your really off base here. maybe you should move away from here, go to a communist country, that is where you will fit in best.

        • Jay

          tomcat, wakey wakey, its time to wake up. We presently have a communist administration, so no one need to pack their bags! We are, in a Communist country!

          • hicusdicus

            Jay, it is not a communist country as long as us hillbilly’s and red necks have our guns.

          • Jay

            Hang on to them, you’ll need them!

          • hicusdicus

            Jay, If push comes to shove I will give you one of mine.

          • Jay

            That’s very generous of you hicusdicus. You know, its interesting, it seems in fox holes, people forget their differences. Some have been known to forget they’re atheists!

      • Ray

        Let’s hear some details of how you are so much more informed of the real truth of what happened on September 11, 2001 than anyone else – you keep throwing out insults and blanket comdemnations, but like any lib, no further proof or details are needed. . .or forthcoming -

        • James A

          If you want to know how the WTC collapsed, read my reply to Sandra. I am an Civil Engineer. You may wish to read the study done by the American Society of Civil Engineers. I would expect to see a lot more fire-proofing added to steel members in future high rise buildings.

          • hicusdicus

            James, I believe that James has a reading comprehension issue.

    • Carole H

      You need to read the history of what went on in the buildings before 9/11, and I do not think it would have to be a conspiracy of 100s of people. Plus the fact that people go home at night.

      There are documents cases that construction was going on in the buildings before 9/11. It would be relatively easy for everything to be put into place long before 9/11.

      Planes have flown into building before and the buildings did not come down. The Empire State building and it was built with old technology.

      The Sears Tower in Chicago.

      How can anyone watch 3 buildings come down in their own foot print at free fall speeds and not realize something just does not add up. Amazing.

  • http://google Rick in Fla.

    I have ALWAYS thought that there was more to this than we, as AMERICAN Citizens will ever know! I was a High School boy when JFK was assassinated in Dallas & at the time, that was the biggest US Coverup since the “accidental death” of General George Patton, who would have come home a National Hero & been elected President over Eisenhower, who was set up by some very powerful men behind the scenes (Used to be a secret sect of 8 men, which could have included Pres. George Bush, before he became POTUS). Very interesting, too, the fact that the ONLY airplane flying the East Coast, was a Saudi Arabian airliner picking up many Arabs to go back to Saudi Arabia & was not ever encountered by our Defense! Very Interesting!!What is due next Sunday, on the 10th anniversary of 9/11???Thank You

    • http://yahoo LEWB

      I read these thoughts on 911 and now realize America has a colony of “NUTS” disguised as citizens running loose in our nation.

      Allow me to tell these “NUTS” the REAL TRUTH about 911!

      The same murderers who conspired to kill president Lincoln were also envolved in the murder of J.F.K.!
      Many of the NINETEEN pilots who flew the 911 planes came from this same group. See, these murderers live in a secret time machine, they do not age as normal people , they reappear as needed to cause CHAOS in America!! It is my opinion that prez. Chaos Obama is part of this group too!
      Chaos hid in a cave in Kenya until George Bush called him to come forth and run for president. This explains why Prez.Chaos Obama’s social security card number classifies obama as being born in the state of Conn. While living in Conn. Chaos served as a Lawn Jockey for Joe Biden until he received his accent from Barney Franks!
      NOW YOU know the “REST of THE STORY” but there still remains many mysteries, one of which is how Michelle Obama ,who once played Fullback for the Green Bay Packers became to look like the “HUMP BACK of NOTRE DAME” , without a facemask! SOME blame G.W.Bush!!
      What say you?

  • tamarque

    This article lays out the big bone outline of problems with the 911 Commission Report but leaves much else out. For example passenger rosters of at least 1 of the planes had no Mid-eastern names or faces on the list. Several of the alleged attackers have been found living in Mid-eastern countries today. Rescue workers have not recounted on their report of explosions at ground level. Foreign politicos have revealed an international effort to create 911. And most concerning, and least attended, is the fact of the Project For A New American Century which outlined the Bush/Cheney agenda. The report states the only thing needed was an event on the magnitude of Pearl Harbor to scare the public into submission. The fear tactic is as old as the hills, as they say, but it still works when you have a public so dumbed down and so bought off with trinkets and so controlled by personal debt that no meaningful thinking, or reaction can occur.

    For me, the answers have been received. I have no question about what the big issue of 911 was about. Some of the details may never be known, unless we have a few more Wikileakers. But it is a no brainer to me as to who was behind 911 and why. All we have to do is really look at what has happened to know what the plan was.

    • LIb JOhnson

      Your comment included this statement: “The report states the only thing needed was an event on the magnitude of Pearl Harbor to scare the public into submission.” submission to what?

      Just out here trying to learn about some things I have ignored in the past. Thanks.

      • Al Sieber

        Lib,submission to what you ask? look at all the rights we lost through the Patriot Act. goggle “Project For a New American Century” and you’ll find your Pearl Harbor like event.

      • Mike W

        Submission means (a) giving up more of your rights, have you taken a trip on an airline lately? (b) less & less privacy, in the name of national security, virtually every phone call & e-mail is intercepted by the government now. (c) transferring of national sovereignty to such international organiztions as the UN, NATO, IMF, etc., to fight terrorism & maintain economic order (sic). I could go on, but I hope you get an idea of what’s transpired since that tragic day!

      • wandamurline

        Prime example of submission….TSA at the airports….the criminals must be laughing their butts off as they have more rights than us…they can pick you from a line without probable cause, can search you and seize your baggage without a warrant, without mirandizing, without reason for your search and without your right to counsel. Now, you tell me what infringes the government is putting on you…
        and soon to be announced…they will have mobile units at ball games, etc. They already have mobile units that can scan your home rolling through neighborhoods….for pete’s sake wake up.

      • DeWitt Bunch

        Your history lesson… ( sorry but only by memory) December 5th 1941… Japanese emissaries arrive in Washington asking to speak to Congress to warn them about the plan to attack Pearl Harbor …. upon which they are put into a waiting room … and after several hours are told that they will have to come back on Monday….

        • James A

          Where did you get that interesting bit of fiction? The declaration of war by the Japanese was carefully timed to be just prior to the attack. However, the Japs were too slow in decoding the document and didn’t reach the Secretary of States office until after the attack had begun.

  • JimRed

    Wikileakers? You mean Wickiliars, don’t you?

    • Brian

      Yes, the people who expose the truth are the problem. Not the corrupt people who actually create the problems.

      • Carlucci

        You got it, Brian. Where did all of these clueless people come from? I don’t recognize many of them. I’m wondering if they are “plants”.

        • Cawmun Cents


          If it looks green,talks green,smells green….no need to taste it.
          Green is the new red.
          Both however smell like something traditionally brown,or at least a darker shade of green.

          When the folks at large are trained(some call it brainwashing,but since the evidence shows that you have to have a brain in order for it to be scrubbed….the jury is still out on that term as it applies to the posers in question)
          to take their fecal matter with some candy-coating,you can see that when it comes ala carte,they become more reluctant to chew on it.

          You may quote me on this since it is not part of traditional writing.


          • Cawmun Cents

            I was referring to the conspiracy folks who invent things on a continual basis.
            Necessity is the mother of invention.
            Begging the question…but why do some feel the necessity to invent a better truth?
            It is because the truth doesnt match the Hollywood version that they expect.So when they dont get the sensationalized version of the events that they so desire,they have to concoct tales of the unexpected in order to validate their feelings.
            Emotional content.
            Alas the bane of any truth but what the conspiracy brings.
            A fancier,more action packed picture of events.
            Fed by the masters of functional manipulation…..the bloggoshpere.
            There are too many unanswered questions.
            There are too many questions.
            Too many to get any sane answers for.Therefore there must be a conspiracy.It is the only possible answer.At least to the laymen who were never there.But for those who were the conspiracy dies in the fundamentalist desire to bring out the truth….or at least a kinder,gentler machine-gun hand.

        • Kate8

          I don’t know where they come from, either, but they sure have been here in force lately.

          And their visciousness seems to be ratcheting up.

          • Carlucci

            Hey Kate8 – ! Good to see your posts. How is everything going?

  • GravityAlert

    I like all the questions & responses, but until, or unless, a legal investigation, to include indictment(s), that reach to the level of treason, is conducted, this entire episode will become an obscure & re-written part of history. If the evidence, which existed at the time, has been destroyed or tampered with, then those responsible, normally, would be given prison sentences.

    Inasmuch as there has been no formal inquiry, at least not that has been published, then all the questions & speculations are simply a form of mental gymnastics. I am happy to see that American citizens are able to manipulate their imaginations, but without any obvious consequence to the act(s) of terrorism, this Nation is completely unable to defend or control future terrorist activities, either from within or from abroad.

    Keep those cards & letters coming, internet entertainment is about all I can afford being that I am involuntarily retired & on unemployment, at least until I run out of benefits & park my tent on the lawn at the State’s Capital building, standing in food lines & collecting my food stamps for the 3 months I am allotted.

    “Fundamentally transforming the United State of America”

    God Bless America

  • William Gilbert

    Questions remain:
    1- Why did temperature readings exceed 2500 degrees in the rubble and tons of molten steel pooled in the basement, when diesel fuel burns at 1200 degrees?
    2- Explanation of tower floor collapse, but, no explanation of reinforced elevator shaft collapse! The strongest part of the building.
    3- Why was debris pulverized as in an explosion, rather than crushed as in a collapse?
    4- No explanation of photo proof that elevator shafts collapsed first in one tower and building 7!

    • Jibbs

      William Gilbert says:
      September 5, 2011 at 7:49 am
      Questions remain:
      1- Why did temperature readings exceed 2500 degrees in the rubble and tons of molten steel pooled in the basement, when diesel fuel burns at 1200 degrees?
      2- Explanation of tower floor collapse, but, no explanation of reinforced elevator shaft collapse! The strongest part of the building.
      3- Why was debris pulverized as in an explosion, rather than crushed as in a collapse?
      4- No explanation of photo proof that elevator shafts collapsed first in one tower and building 7!


      Airliners do not burn diesel fuel. Diamond Aircraft(small privare 4 seat) has the only diesel aircraft engine, and that testing started a few years ago. Airliners burn a form of kerosene, that burns around 700 to 900*F in the open.
      Diesel flashpoint is about 210*C. In order for a diesel to operate an engine, very high compression is needed. Diesel is a bad choice for airliners due to the very cold temp. they operate in, it can be -30F or lower, causing diesel to gel(form crystals)

      There were no diesel aircraft engines in 2001, unless they were experimental.

      • Jibbs

        err! should have said…small private 4 seat

        • Al Sieber

          A friend of mine is a aircraft mechanic and when he works on jets he drains out the fuel,they won’t let him reuse it and he gives some to me and I use it in my backhoe and diesel generator, no problem.

          • Jibbs

            Your right Al.
            But it’s not diesel fuel.

            Jet fuel is very similar to diesel fuel, and in some cases, may be burned in diesel engines. The possibility of environmental legislation banning the use of leaded avgas, and the lack of a replacement fuel with similar performance, has left aircraft designers and pilot’s organizations searching for alternative engines for use in small aircraft.[12] As a result, a few aircraft engine manufacturers, most notably Thielert, have begun offering diesel aircraft engines which run on jet fuel. This technology has potential to simplify airport logistics by reducing the number of fuel types required. Jet fuel is available in most places in the world, whereas avgas is only widely available in a few countries which have a large number of general aviation aircraft. A diesel engine may also potentially be more environmentally friendly and fuel-efficient than an avgas engine. However, very few diesel aircraft engines have been certified by aviation authorities, and widespread use of diesel aircraft engines is still years in the future.

            Jet fuel is often used in ground support vehicles at airports, instead of diesel. The United States military makes heavy use of JP-8, for instance. However, jet fuel tends to have poor lubricating ability in comparison to diesel, thereby increasing wear on fuel pumps and other related engine parts.[citation needed] Civilian vehicles tend to disallow its use, or require that an additive be mixed with the jet fuel to restore its lubricity. Since jet fuel is also significantly more expensive than diesel, some critics[who?] consider using jet fuel in ground vehicles as wasteful.

    • DaveR

      Re combustion temperature of jet fuel, I think you have misunderstood the ignition temperature of jet fuel (temperature at which jet fuel will start burning) as being the same as the temperature of the fire that results when that jet fuel burns. The consider the following information regarding adiabatic combustion at constant pressure, assuming that normal atmospheric pressure surrounded the jet fuel spilled upon the crash of the aircraft into one of the twin towers. According to the listing published in Wikipedia at, the combustion temperature (temperature of the flame) of kerosene which is close in composition to jet fuel burning in air is 3800 degrees F, more than enough to soften and even melt steel. Carbon steels used in construction would have a melting temperature in the range of 2600 – 2800 degrees F (See for example for a table of the melting point of many metals). And the softening point of the steel at which beams made of it can no longer carry their design load is a much lower temperature.

      • Al Sieber

        DaveR, only if it burns that hot under controlled conditions, and when the the planes hit the buildings the fuel dis-aped and was no longer in a controlled condition. ever use a cutting torch? and try to cut a half inch piece of metal, that torch is about 6000 degrees and it’s hard to cut that metal fast.

  • JimRed

    I wrote a three paragraph response to the article. When I hit submit it gave a “service not available” message.

  • Observer 1

    Thanks for a great article Bob. I believed the offical story for about 4 years, even though I remember asking myself on 9-11, where are the plane parts when viewing the 93 and 77 crash sites news videos. I also thought the twin towers sure looked a lot like controled demolations when I watched them fall straight down.
    Eventually I started doing my own research. There are so many parts of the “offical story” that not only make no sense, but are really beyond belief.
    I think Fred Hampton got it right when he said..
    We get answers that don’t answer;
    Explanations that don’t explain;
    And conclusions that don’t conclude.

    • hicusdicus

      You did your own research! Where? On the internet. The worlds greatest venue for fabrication. I could believe in astrology before the internet or maybe even the bible.

      • Jay

        Closer to the truth hicusdicus, the internet is inundated with both truth and fiction. One must navigate accordingly!

  • Harry

    Its time to cut all purse strings to a military whose high ranking officials thought processes have been “what separates the men from boys is the size of their toys” attitudes. Yet with their usual boyish grins can tell us with a straight face they lost one point whatever trillion dollars the day before 911. The “plane?” conveniently struck the area of the pentagon which house their budget information. Apparently it has not been money well spent. Our intelligence agencies cost us billions and get caught sharing secrets and yet can’t catch a bunch of Arabs before doing harm? Hog wash. We have presidents, vice presidents and many in congress acting as celebrity kings and queens instead of servants of the people. We have 50 independent states, whose representatives and attorney generals, whom united together, should have squashed these acts of tyranny but instead boot lick Washington and New York aristocracy. We need to stop listening to these thieves who have no intention of stopping their heist of America and its freedom loving people. We have at least 250 million AMERICAN adults in this country who work hard every day to live a free life. That’s plenty to choose from. We don’t need to keep re-electing criminals who have no respect for us or our founding documents and founders wishes. Shame on these who try and pass themselves off as Americans and some as hero’s.

  • http://Yahoo Bernard

    Where are the “Black Boxes”??????

  • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

    If I read this correctly you are blaming the government and unknown others of power for complacency in the 9/11 alleged terrorist attacks.You mention the Israelis that were detained but what about the plane load of Saudis that were allowed to leave?Who was in power at the time on the attack? believe it was the Conservative Republicans.Who held still secret meetings with the top energy companies CEO at the start of the new administration’s term (Dick Chaney).If one goes by your well written and researched piece then one can only come to the conclusion that the wealthy powerful Conservative Republicans who support the dismantling of just about everything that protests the average American are the perpetrators and need to be brought to justice.Why do the Wealthy Conservative Republicans want to dismantle the common citizens protections I believe there motto is “Profits over Country “

    • Capitalist at Birth

      You are sadly mistaken in your allegations and speculations.

      • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

        You are sadly mistaken in your allegations and speculations.All facts not allegations and speculations

        • hicusdicus


          • BrotherPatriot

            Sorry…but you & your posts are Hogwash, hic.

            To much evidence that’s being ignored or denied says otherwise.

            Ty, Bob L for giving us this forum to debate.

            God Bless all who reads this site…and please help those delusional ones who do not stand in the light.

            *giggle* Couldn’t help it…

          • hicusdicus

            BP, you should not smoke pot while your trying to post.

    • Jibbs

      Are you still smoking that Ty Stick?

      • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

        As always you shut in’s have no defense for the facts so you attack. How Very Sad YOU Are.

        • Brian

          One can only come to your conclusion if one ignores that fact that there aren’t two parties, but one great big corrupt one with two wings designed to deceive the people into thinking there is actually a choice on election day.

      • Carlucci

        Jibbs – it’s Thai Stick. Sold all over Bangkok.

        • hicusdicus

          Cariucci, Thank you. I just booked a flight to Bangkok.

    • BH

      Most who read this blog typically vote Republican. But you will find few lovers of Bush, the Patriot Act, big banks, or large corporations that profit by political pull.

      The great evils that have taken our liberties exist in both parties. In one sense, the Republican leadership is the more evil, as they at least know and claim to believe in freedom, yet they subvert it. The Democratic leaders are at least acting consistently with their principles: socialism, destruction of western civilization, and totalitarian control of the masses.

      • Carlucci

        BH – I beg your pardon? I’ve never seen people on this blog talk about voting for Bush or any other “republican” (or RINO). Many people with a working brain on this blog are ultra conservative liberty lovers and/or Libertarians. I would appreciate it if you would stop making those “voted republican” assumptions, at least as far as I’m concerned.

    • JeffH

      SMSgt Z retired Nam 68, I only ask who these “conservative Republicans” are? I think you don’t know what you’re talking about with you skewed choice of words…”conservative Republicans”? Certainly not Bush or Cheney or even McCain and Karl Rove…give me the names of the conservatives in DC during 9/11…other than Ron Paul and maybe a few other exceptions, they’re all RINOS and big government people and most definately not conservatives.

      • Kate8

        JeffH – The only way these Progs can keep the animosity alive is to keep promoting the Right/Left paradigm. Without that, their entire premise starts to fall apart.

        We’ve all moved beyond that illusion and are beginning to see that what we have is a two-headed beast, and no matter which head you side with, it’s still the same animal, eats the same meals (us), and we all end up p**p in the end!

        This has them panicked. They are desperate to keep fanning the ideological and racial flames, because they need our division to complete their goals. They rely on deception.

        When enough people have the guts to wake up, maybe we just can refuse to play anymore. Then what will they do?

        • JeffH

          True, true, true. :)

          How’s the weather up your way…it was hot in Winters on Thurs/Fri…high 90′s.

          • Kate8

            Jeff – A bit warmer than it’s been, but not so bad. I don’t have AC, and I’ve been fine. Probably high 80s.

            This computer has gotten so slow and uncooperative I almost smacked it a minute ago. It’s becoming agonizing waiting for it to respond. I’ve done everything I know, and it’s no better. So if I quit posting, you’ll know why.

          • BrotherPatriot

            Heya JeffH & Kate8…always nice to read your guy’s posts!

            Kate8…I’m not sure what operating system you are using but if it’s Windows XP or earlier then you may just need to make sure you save all the important data that you want to keep to disks. Create a back up of all that you want to keep & then just wipe your computer & reinstall the operating system. Then reinstall all the programs & such that you want to have.

            I know this is a pain but it’s not that hard to do actually and it fixes ALOT of problems that computers seem to get after running for 2 years or so, especially the XP’s & older. If you don’t feel comfortable doing it yourself then talk to a techy friend & I’m sure he/she can do it for you in about 2-3 hours or so.

            This is just a recommendation but I find it has helped my older computers alot to do this every 1-2 years. I also know you do alot of research and sometimes the various sites have malware & such that just start making computers run botchy. They also can be hard to get rid of…even when your anti-virus protection says it has taken care of it.

            Just some advice from a friend & moderatly aware computer user.

            God Bless.

          • Kate8

            BroPat – Thanks. I have Vista. Sometimes it’s okay, but several times a day it gums up. Various programs may be running updates or something.

            Question: When you install new programs, such as renewing antivirus
            protection, can you delete the old one, or does each renewal add on to the old one?

            I’m no computer whiz. To me it’s like a car. When you turn it on it’s supposed to go.

            I’ve got to do something, or it’s going in the trash.

          • JeffH

            Kate8, I run Window Vista Home Premium and my laptop is over two years old. My security/anti-virus is Norton 360 which does a great job of protecting any intrusions and removing/blocking them. I usually renew it before it expires and that way I don’t have to do any re-install. I usually do a complete system scan once a week and get background scans a couple times a week. Works well for me.

            I also have Comcast internet which I bekieve is more efficient than dial-up but there are times when the system doesn’t respond well.

          • BrotherPatriot

            Hi, Kate8…nice to hear from ya & see your still posting.

            Unless you uninstall the old anti-virus, when you update them they just add on to what is there by updating the program. Sometimes there are conflictions even with the same program when this happens. If you install a different anti-virus program…before you do, it’s always a good procedure to uninstall the old one. Even then not all components of the old one are uninstalled & this also causes problems of course.

            Once again I’ll recommend you just save everything that you want to keep to disk & then make sure to use a seperate computer to scan that disk that has a good anti-virus program already on it for possible infections/virus on the saved information. Perhaps a friend can help you out with that part of it.

            Once you save all the data & programs you want to keep…then wipe your computer & reinstall the operating system. Once you get your back upped saved information independantly scanned to make sure it’s clean…then reinstall all the information that you saved.

            I recommend getting windows 7 operating system as it is what Vista always wanted to be. Vista comes with it’s own problems & the Windows 7 version is superior and fixes many of Vista’s problems…imo.

            I like to wipe mine at least every 2 years or so as I said. It sure fixes them right up & makes them run fast again.

            God Bless you and thank you for all your efforts on the site.

          • Jay

            Good advice BB. I’ve done that several times. Finally threw windows into a garbage bin and pick up a Mac. Its been two years now, not one problem! Also, haven’t spent one penny on spyware, virus protection, and spam protection. Btw, bill gates is a crook!!!

          • libertytrain

            Kate – with all the searching you do I think you probably have attracted some malware – what can you do – a girl needs to seek info – also, one thing to keep in mind if you don’t already is stop using Internet Explorer and try using another such as Firefox.

          • BrotherPatriot

            Yep, Kate8…Mac’s are a very, very good alternative to Windows. Also, Firefox is a great alternative for you browsing needs as well and I do recommend it.

            I also know that Bill Gates has attended the Bilderberg meetings, Jay. I no longer use google but instead use IXquick for my search engine, however I’m still using Windows 7, at the moment. I am interested in changing to Mac’s & Firefox as stated above…just haven’t made that leap yet.

            God Bless you guyz & it’s really nice to read your posts. Keep up the good work.

          • libertytrain

            there’s no big deal to switching to Firefox, just download, make it your primary browser and never open Explorer again…. I’ve used it for several years now…

          • Kate8

            Thanks for all the input, all of you. My poor old laptop is several years old, and I’ve already even replaced parts! Right now it’s perking pretty good so I can post without having to go do something else while it does its thing. Also, the fan has been acting up for a long time, too. LOL. It’s done pretty good for having so many miles on it.

            I don’t use google, either. I use startpage. They don’t store IP addresses.

  • Reponder

    When there is one flaw or misrepresentation, it makes me wonder how much more of these representations are false. I was actually on site at the Pentagon in the first week. I can assure you that there was a commercial jet that hit the Pentagon! I witnessed the parts being taken away with my own eyes, and I smelled the burnt bodies, the smell of jet fuel, and I watched as the FBI sorted through all of the debris. Piece by piece, they were tagging, picturing, and putting those pieces considered evidence into a trailer and putting those that were not important into huge dumpsters.

    In response to the Rumsfeld assertion, I provided a briefing in March of 2001 to members of congress for the Rural Caucus. While the vast majority of what I spoke of was the lack of funding for first responders and the effects, I did state “Ladies and Gentleman, it is not if we have a terrorist attack, but when we will have one. Fire departments do not have the funding or equipment to respond to these.” According to your reasoning, I may have been an insider, which I can assure you I was not!

    As far as President Bush not going to Washington, … let’s see, we suspect they are trying to collapse part of our infrastructure and to wreak physical and economic havoc, … do we want to take him to Washington so that he is an easier target?

    Also, as someone who saw the lack of information sharing, I can tell you that it was possible that these terrorists were lost or not spotted. In those days (and to a certain extent still today) the agency that made the most arrests (especially big arrests) had bragging rights and the ability to justify needing more funding for their agency. It was common practice not to share anything, especially not local police and competing (for the same type of money)agencies. Lack of collaboration equals holes in security, which is exactly what we got!

    It is reports and half-baked theories such as these that shake my belief in those that I felt were pretty much on target. Having been someone that has been there and done that, I can verify some of your assertions are idiotic and design to stir doubt rather than unite our country. What we need now is a united country, a country that believes in God and country, no matter which God you serve. We need to stop attacking and start working together with a single purpose, … taking our country back and enforcing the Constitution as our founding fathers expected them to be, not as liberal idiot judge sees it.

    • Capitalist at Birth

      I agree with you completely, Responder.

    • Al Sieber

      You’re full of it Reponder, the plane supposedly vaporized that hit the Pentagon, or was it a missile? our Govt. lies to us every day.

    • John Hendricks

      Apparently, there were a few pieces of debris on the Pentagon lawn. But there are many other questions as to the authenticity of that debris, including the question of why the lawn was untouched. What happened to the rest of the plane, including the black boxes? Why are we told that the jet fuel (kerosene) at the WTC burned so hot the steel building frames collapsed. Then at the Pentagon, the same thing caused minimal damage. I don’t know what happened, but I don’t think it’s unreasonable that we have an impartial investigation.

    • Mark Are

      So, Responder, which government agency do YOU work for? CIA? NSA? I am SURE you saw those airline parts being taken away. WHY? Because they were the newly designed invisible stealth 757 variety. The kind only responders on the scene can see with their emerald glasses. Not the kind we CAN’T SEE in ANY pictures of the pentagon. I am beginning to hate this country because of how many EFFING FOOLS make it up. Total retards. Government fed brain dead lemmings.

      • tomcat

        like i said before mark, move away. your the effing fool

    • ValDM

      You state that “they” were gathering up plane parts; deciding what was evidence, which went into a trailer; then other pieces, having been decided they weren’t evidence, was thrown into a dumpster. HOGWASH. TSA (the investigators not the dimwit gropers) consider ALL plane parts involved in an accident evidence. Go peddle your “what you saw” to someone else. Some of us aren’t buying.

      • Brian

        While I agree with your assertion, the TSA did not exist on 9/11.

        • ValD

          With all due respect, TSA has been around for decades. The TSA I referred to (& made sure to draw the distinction between the investigators & the dimwit gropers) so we would not be having this discussion now, is that TSA was originally formed to investigate ALL aviation accidents/crashes/near misses. The TSA that you refer to is the supposed “airport security” arm that does not have anything to do with aviation incidents.

  • Jay

    In the 100-plus years of steel framed buildings, only 3 have collapsed due to fire. All 3 were leased by the same man, all 3 fell in exactly the same way, in the same day. All 3 buildings collapsed at free-fall speed. Just a coincidence? Firefighters, police officers, emergency personnel, reporters, and many other eyewitnesses all reported explosives going off inside the buildings. Yet none of this is mentioned in the mainstream media.

    Listen to the testimonies on part 3 of the 9/11 coincidence.

    • Capitalist at Birth

      The sounds of explosions were reported widely. I am aware of those reports and it doesn’t surprise me that there would be explosions. All of this nonsense has been refuted in programs on National Geographic and the Science Channels. You need to stop watching Jesse Ventura.

      • bargain bob

        Who owns the media thats been feeding us all this crap? as with most criminal acts follow the money. National Geographic? LOL! Popular Mechanics article was written by Michael Chertoff’s cousin, 911 was brought to you by the same people that attacked the USS Liberty in 1967, 34 us sailors killed and 172 wounded.. The same people who own our congress and puppet in charge. the same that invented cummunism and have used it to commit mass murder and destroy nations..

        • Mark Are

          YES! FINALLY someone with a brain. Must live in the country and drink water that isn’t fluoridated. Where can we meet? Maybe we can start a two person country.

          • tomcat

            be careful bob, mark is gay an sounds like he is coming after you

          • Jay

            Interesting accusation tomcat. Are you trying to tell us something about yourself? Naughty, naughty! Btw, aids kill people.

        • mark

          Oh, an appeal to anti-semitism! The level of discourse on this website just keeps getting lower, nuttier, and more racist.

          • Jay

            And you just keep hanging around!

      • Jay

        Maybe you’re right CP, i’ll just stick to watching National Geographic, and the Science Channels. That should set me straight. I’m just wondering, wouldn’t a lobotomy be a quicker solution? Btw, where did you get yours done?

        • hicusdicus

          Jay, the only thing that would set you straight would be a coffee enema.

          • Jay

            Do you recommend that based on experience?

          • hicusdicus

            Jay, That is the wrong end for me.

  • Shaun Chittick

    I think you give the federal government WAY too much credit if you think it could have developed such an elaborate plan in secrecy, coordinated and executed all of the different moving parts, and kept all of this from leaking to the public for over a decade. I would also caution your prejudice toward these “cave dwellers”. They are using sophisticated cell phones, computers, thumb drives, e-mail and every other thing you can think of.

    I would keep Occam’s Razor in mind, and assume that the American giant was caught sleeping complacently on 9/11. There may well be cover ups regarding information sharing among our federal, state and local law enforcement, intelligence agencies and military organizations, but I think you ultimately have to accept the simplest explanation–terrorists have targeted the US for a long time now, and have developed a support network, conducted elaborate rehearsals and a series of unsuccessful attacks all leading up to 9/11. We (the US) certainly could have done things a lot better prior to the largest single attack on our nation since Pearl Harbor, and there is certainly room for improvement since then. I’m sure I’m not the only one who wasn’t imaginative enough to picture the use of our own airline industry as a weapon against us. Too often we overlook the simple in favor of the more interestingly complex.

    • Gary

      So far all these post’s have proved only one thing,….Islam,…the muslims,have infiltrated and taken over our government and country,….beware of Islam,…Islam must be wiped from the face of the map,….down with Islam!!!!!!

  • DeJay

    Those of you who believe 9/11 was a terrorist attack are fools with blinders on. Probably paid by the government to make their stupid uninformed statements. What wasn’t mentioned was that the cloud from the twin towers was concrete dust and could only happen from explosives.

    • Karolyn

      “Probably paid by the government to make their stupid uninformed statements. ”

      Now THAT is one stupid remark! Why can’t people just have their own opinions and disagree with you? Why does EVERYTHING have to be a conspiracy?

      And I’m not sure what to believe, so I fall right in the middle. I’ve heard good explanations on both sides of the fence. Wait til 45 caliber (who is an engineer & conservative) joins the discussion and talks about how the buildings COULD have collapsed exactly as we are told they did.

      • Mark Are

        So, why do you believe that 45 caliber is a conservative and engineer? Because he says so? I’m an engineer too. My credentials cover the wall of the room I am in. Richard Gage has my support. The Architects and REAL engineers for 9/11 Truth are my heroes. My 8 year engineering degree and 22 years of experience say this…EXPLOSIVES had to be used to allow buildings to fall at free fall speed. And just the PICTURES of the towers reveals they didn’t just “fall down”. SO THERE. PROVE ME WRONG 45 Caliber. Or is it 45 IQ?

        • tomcat

          do some research, the beams were only fire proofed up to about the 73rd. floor. the weight on the beams being bent from heat at the jet strike (above the 73rd floor) made them implode. for an engineer to not know, is just stupidity. you must run a train for a living.

          • Brian

            Things that are bent, don’t fall straight. The fall to the weak side.

          • Jay

            Careful now brian, to many facts may send tomcat running to his medicine cabinet!

        • JeffH

          Mark Are, I have no reason to disagree with your credentials but I disagree with your pointed attack at 45caliber. You just took the words of a very confused and naive liberal and went directly after 45caliber…not on his words, but on a liberal’s word…use your brain and some practical sense here. 45caliber is one of the good guys here and until you hear it from him, show a little restraint unless you prefer the taste of shoe leather.

  • http://0 krupin

    Wow! ONe reason that I’m not asking any questions is because I had always trusted our leaders. Until maturity reminded me of their humanity and human failings. NOw, I do question things, however, as far as 9/11 goes, I can still see the towers burning and people jumping out of windows. I am still very traumatized enough to be in morning for this horrific event. Thank you for raising my awareness to these matters. How can we continue to trust anyone anymore, what has happened to our Great Country and those whom we could trust to lead us in the path of truth and justice????? How can we begin to regain what we have lost? Krupin

  • Allan

    Ok, Bob. So who ordered it and who carried it out?

    • Erin

      Google “New World Order” and “Bilderberg group”

      • BrotherPatriot

        ^^ Bingo! ^^

        This will lead you directly into the Illuminati and their international platform that they infiltrated, the Masonic influence.

        This then will show how it all branches out into the variously named organizations and ties together into the same Agenda. This Agenda has purposedly taken over countries (including ours) news media, entertainment industry, governments both federal and state level, right down to the local town council meetings, teachers and virtually all aspects of our lives.

        Over the years they have then brain washed their own children, sent them off to the high end schools like Standford, Princeton, Yale (Skull & Bones) and once graduated…they slink off into positions of power throughout the world to further the Agenda. They now control or have great influence in virtually all facets of our lives.

        Read the book, “Brotherhood of Darkness” by Dr. Stanley Montieth if you want a clear idea of who, what, when, where, and why.

        Continue to not just research the truth but to let your family, friends & neighbors know the truth of what they have been getting away with for so very long. Only by living in the light of God can we break free from their yoke of bondage that they have enslaved us all with by their greatest tool at their disposal…money. It has been said by them that they care not who makes the laws if they control the money supply…and how so true that statement has been.

        God Bless.

    • Bob Livingston

      Dear Allan,

      Of course, I can’t say for sure. However, I would suggest the old axiom, “Just follow the money,” would serve you well. Ask yourself who benefitted from the attacks. Then look into the way the resulting war was conducted and the vast security apparatus that sprang up in the aftermath of the passage of the USA Patriot Act. Contractors and mercenaries were used to prosecute the war. Corporations like Blackwater ( sprang up. The officers of these mercenary companies are all current or former CIA and they have profited greatly. There are people inside the Congress or administrations past who benefited from the government contracts involving the increased security at airports and train stations. Some of them I mentioned here: (

      The FBI and CIA have long employed patsies to do their bidding in order to achieve their goals. I suggest you study the “USS Maine”, the Gulf of Tonkin incident and the “USS Liberty” incident, just to name a few incidents of false flag events. For the shadow government agencies, people (even Americans) are expendable if they stand in the way of their goals. For them, the end (profits and power) always justifies the means.

      Best wishes,

  • http://charter howe

    I don’t buy the smoke and mirrors crap. Lets blame it on Bush and move on, after all everything else thats wrong with our country is according to the Socialist Democrats all Bushes fault. My own personal theory is that Clinton failed us by taking his eye off Homeland security and focused on what Monica was doing instead of Bin Laden’s boys. The tragedy in all of this is that DHS Napolitano and her Master have not learned what national security is all about. We are not safer we have been lucky so far and we are in great danger with no protection from insecure borders.

  • Maureen

    I agree with Charlotte.
    People-wake up!

  • Rob65

    The explosives in the Twin Towers and Bldg 7 were placed by employees of a NJ company that had a year-long contract to redo the elevator systems in the towers. This company was found to have ownership links to front companies controlled or owned by questionable US government elements (I’ll leave it at that but one works from a well recognized building with an address in Langley, VA). It was the perfect opportunity to place the necessary and clearly used explosives that were used to implode the buildings exactly the way they fell–which is exactly similar to a controlled demolition (so say hundreds and hundreds of engineers and demolition experts). The powers that be wanted a war to prevent control of oil and resources by the Russians and Chinese in Iraq and control of Afghanistan (to prevent/control pipeline construction in the region). Get used to it; much larger games are being played on the world stage, and we the people are merely cattle to be milked, herded, fattened with drugs and slain (in wars).

    • BrotherPatriot

      Nice post, Rob65.

      God Bless you & your work.

  • J from T

    If you had been president, what would you have been able to do differently?
    And would it have worked?
    I get so tired of worrying about those hijackers who are dead ~ let’s go after those who are planning to destroy us who are still alive and make sure it never happens again.
    We should be gathering together, helping one another overcome all the bad government economic decisions, and focusing on getting a better man in the White House as president.
    This could have been a presidential assassination, and we would be reliving the Kennedy years of digging into all kinds of intrigue and still not finding the answers due to lies and conspiracies by many involved, if our nation would have survived.
    Perhaps this situation of many unexplained questions is exactly what the terrorists wanted. Divisions among us.
    Divided, we could become slaves. United we become a stronger nation and people. But we must stand on the truth ~ that we are an exceptional nation and people and that we will not succumb to those who would destroy us from within and from without.
    We have too many militants, illegals and jihadists within our own country. Let’s focus on stopping them while digging for the truth, and stop the next debacles from happening.
    The simple life of the 1950′s is gone forever. We must stand for the truth through our Christian-Judeo values that those who would destroy us are trying to take from us.
    Our nation was built by our rabbis and ministers preaching the Ten Commandments and standing for our freedoms. We, the people, fought to uphold them. These truths and consequences have kept us safe.
    Without the drawing together of our people on these truths we would never have become a nation. Without their input our country would never have come into existence. Now we are letting our values be taken from us and ‘truth’ becomes a matter of who is interpreting the facts and values.
    but I have digressed from the original terorism, but I must admit we are watching terrorism of a subtler nature that will and can destroy us if we let it.
    We are letting those who would destroy us make decisions to take our freedom of Christian-Judeo religion and values from us whie instituting jihad and hatred. Doesn’t make sense, does it?
    Looks like a dead-end to me for us not to see what is coming from within and rebuilding our national heritage of freedoms. Yes, 9/11 was horrible, but let’s keep our heads on straight and stand against those who would defeat us from within, or our whole country will become the aftermath of 9/11 debacles everywhere.

  • MikeP

    A lot of alleged “experts” will attempt to tell you that there’s no way that the fire could have caused the buildings to fall the way they did. The problem is many of these “experts” dont understand the way the twin towers were constructed. These buildings used a unique method of support. Rather than a building “hung” on a core framework tower (support columns) the twin towers used a tube frame construction method, in which the outside walls of the towers bore all the weight. It was thought this would make them more durable, and have more “sway”, therefore higher tensile strength, and less noise that you get from other high towers (such as the Empire State Building, which sways some but is more rigid, and creaks like my knees at 6 am). And it worked well. However…well, one of the things we used to do in 6th grade was have someone balance on an empty soda can. You could have it support a surprising amount of weight if you balanced properly! But tap it ever so lightly on the side with even a thin stick and the whole thing pancaked down almost perfectly flat. Same concept here. The planes flew into the towers, weakening the structure…but the designers had planned for that accident, and built them in such a way that a single airliner crashing into them wouldnt collapse them. Add thousands of gallons of jet fuel and a fire. Nope, still shouldnt be enough to collapse them…not at the temperature jet fuel burns! But now add thousands of tons of plastic, wood, rubber and plastic backed carpeting, paint, paper and more to the mix….and the fire gets one hell of a lot hotter. This weakened the beams to the point that the incredible weight of the towers brought them down, just like that soda can. As for 7 World Trade, the top of the second tower fell into that building before the collapse, and debris hit the smaller building at an incredible rate, damaging the southern face. This building had a cobbled together design with numerous transfer trussed distributing load on the building to the foundation. When falling debris took these out, along with other essential columns, the building collapsed.

    Now…did the government cover things up? Possibly, just as it covered up a lot of what we actually DID find in Iraq between 2003 and 2005. But I can easily see how two gigantic flying bombs impacting these two buildings could cause what we saw that day.

    • javajoy

      You make sense instead of guessing or expressing an opinion. My research coincides with what you said. Good job!

      • John Hendricks

        I think you’re full of baloney. The WTC was not a tin can with a child standing on top of it. It was built of hardened steel and the design (as I understand) was not quite as you describe, including a central core of steel beams. Jet fuel is kerosene. That a kerosene fire in the upper floors could cause the steel frame to pancake is so incredible words can’t even describe it. Why weren’t you on the 911 commission? You could have told them a thing or two.

        • Ron

          Apparently, John, you know nothing about how kerosene burns – or how a turbine engine runs. Just so happens, I was an engine technician in the Air Force. You apparently haven’t seen what happens when JP-4 (several thousand gallons of it) spill on the ground around an aircraft and ignite. Maybe you would like to be in that plane when it happens! Ever hear of a BLEVE?
          Check it out. Then you will realize how stupid your comment was!

    • Ron

      Good concepts, but also know that aviation kerosene produces very high heat when it burns. Those planes had almost full loads of fuel.
      No construction iron that I know of will maintain any kind of structural integrety when heated to the melting point.
      Also, when it did “melt”, the top floors would collapse, which would have tremendous inertia and be able to overload the structure underneath. (like hitting a nail with a hammer)
      The major point is that things tend to fall vertically from gravity!!

      • John Hendricks

        Good God, what you say is so ridiculous I am speechless. Have you ever heard of kerosene lanterns? What about Kerosene heaters? If kerosene burns so hot, why don’t they melt? Actually, kerosene is used for jet fuel because it does not burn hot. It is the jet engine that gives jet planes the power, not the fuel.

      • Mark Are

        I don’t know, but the last time I used my Kerosene stove and heater, apparently both of them had learned about the twin towers and both of them melted into pools of steel and powder that didn’t cool for 2 months. Yep, I’m in need of s new heater and stove now. Anyone know of any that won’t melt and turn into dust when you use them? I need a recommendation as it is becoming epidemic.

        • Almerin

          Mark — I seriously doubt your professed “engineering” credentials. You have made several comments that show a lack of fundamental engineering principles and strength of materials concepts. Can you help us dispel those doubts?

          (Posted by another experienced engineer …)

      • DeWitt Bunch

        “The major point is that things tend to fall vertically from gravity!!”

        Ever try cutting down a tree and have it fall straight down vertically?

    • John Hendricks

      I think you’re full of baloney. The WTC was not a tin can with a child standing on top of it. It was built of hardened steel and the design (as I understand) was not quite as you describe, including a central core of steel beams. Jet fuel is kerosene. That a kerosene fire in the upper floors could cause the steel frame to pancake is so incredible words can’t even describe it. Why weren’t you on the 911 commission? You could have told them a thing or two.

    • DaveH

      First a disclaimer. The following proves absolutely nothing.
      I found Mike’s comments about the soda can interesting so I tried it on five aluminum coke cans. 3 of the cans collapsed with my weight (190 lbs). 2 held until my gal tapped them with the hammer. All five of the cans collapsed to about 1/4 to 3/4 inch off center. Given that the cans are about 5 inches high that’s from 6 inches to 18 inches for every ten feet. The trade center buildings were about 1360 feet tall. So that would put the off-center at from 68 feet to 204 feet.

    • DaveH

      Consider the fact that the buildings were struck asymmetrically which upon the heat of the accused fires would have surely caused the more damaged side to collapse first. Given that the buildings were 208 feet wide, that one story asymmetrical collapse would have resulted in about a 3 degree immediate lean, or about 18 feet at the top of the building. There would be no way that the upper portion wouldn’t continue that momentum and be several hundred feet off center by the time it hit ground level.

      • DaveH

        The most persuasive thing to me about the 9/11 controversy is that we have not gotten involved in a single war since and including Lincoln’s war against the southern states which wasn’t launched based on a false-flag event. Even the supposedly “surprise attack” on Pearl Harbor has been demonstrated beyond a reasonable doubt to have been no surprise at all. 2400 good servicemen died in that attack, for what? Was it so FDR could launch a war to support his European Leader buddies, or his Crony Capitalists? Only FDR knows that, but this free online book should shed some light on reality for those interested in investigating:

    • DaveH
  • Jay

    The official story says that WTC7 collapsed as a result of fire. Yet the building’s collapse had all the hallmarks of a controlled demolition. The leaseholder of the buildings even admitted that he gave order to “pull” the building down. Listen to Larry Silverstein’s words and actions prior to 9/11.

  • Dave

    Im satisfied that 911 was carried out as advertised, 911 truthers are kooks. prison planet(one of the websites shown at the end of the story) is run by Alex Jones who is a nut job that has a radio show, the more wild stuff he puts out the more famous he thinks he will get……Agendas all around.

    • Mark Are

      Dave, on your way to OZ, can you tell Dorothy, the Tin Man, Scarecrow and Cowardly Lion I said hi?

      • Jay

        Seems obvious that dave had his brains blown out by msnbc!

  • guest

    Do you really beleive the government wouldn’t use a false flag operation to pursue their agenda of war? What did Iraq have to do with 9/11? There are so many troublesome event’s surrounding 9/11 that remain unanswered. There is absolutely no way a huge plane crashed into the pentagon.Our government is asking us to beleive the impossible.Also there was a telephone recording from one of the passenger’s on one of the planes to her husband. She called and left a message telling her husband how much she loved him etc. When she was finished talking..on tape was another voice saying’well done’.
    Just remember if our government felt comfortable using a false flag operation in the past they will do it again.

    • Capitalist at Birth

      Bin Laden’s number two man had set up training camps in northeastern Iraq in 1998. He was receiving medical care in Iraq from injuries suffered in the attacks we administered in Afghanistan when we attacked Iraq. We know that Syria was an ally of Iraq I suspect that that is where most of the WMD equipment was moved to when they knew we were coming.

  • mark

    No, Barak Hussein Obama did it! Even though he wasn’t in the White House then. Even though he wasn’t even in the Senate. Even though he was only in the Illinois legislature, OBAMA DID IT. Everything evil in the world was caused by Obama. EVERYTHING. Hurricanes, tornados, earthquakes, cancer, heart attacks, automobile accidents, splinters. President Garfield’s 1881 assassination. Obama is evil and responsible for everything! We all know this! He’s Muslim from Kenya! Wow, the crazies are really coming out in force today. So this whole thing was a U.S. government plot? Please, believe me, no one hates the George W. Bush administration more than me, but it did not plan or conspire in the 9/11 attacks. This is paranoia and cuckoo-clock conspiracy theories carried even beyond the normal nutiness of this site.

    • DeWitt Bunch

      According to his (main)Social Security Number, Obama was Born in Connecticut 119 years ago and supposedly has 39 other SS#’s

    • Erin

      Amen to that! Now let me tune back in to Fox News with my nice, tall glass of fluoridated water!

    • Grandma Sharon

      HAY FOLKS … I did not vote for him. If you did you hopefully now realize he is a man of evil. I cannot – nor will I – support this man. He was slick-Willy planted into our country and we need to see the reality and not allow him another 4 – years. He came like the thief in the night – fast talking, swave, cool dude. People voted him in – then the questions flew about his birth cert. – Etc. Why wait until the lion is in the cage with the other animals – ready to eat them in one bite. Why were not these questions addressed and views published before he was in office. I will not ever acknoweldge him as anything more that a joke. A joke that stung America and is tearing at our country’s ever being. STAND by America – but the man in power needs to be for our country — not against it. He is not respected by many people, How can he even think he will win another term? He has taken many of the strengths of America and made them into a country where we are like a wet noodle in the hands of our enemies. I can only pray that our foes do not see the weakness in our country and ther will be more than 9-11. We will be in a total war right here in America – Not on foreign lands BUT right here on the soils here at home. STAND UP AND BE COUNTED. Lets take back our country. Get on bending knees and put the Lord, Jesus Christ back into our country. Only then can we / and will we / be taken serious. Vote out Gay marriage. Vote out Government control of our personal things (Like health ins.) and Vote in a man of God with his strengths. Vote in an person who cares about America and wants to help build us back into the country people can respect. I agree with the comment above – STAND AND FIGHT … or DIE at the hands of this EVIL DEMON. Lets start taking back AMERICA. R U willing to join in the fight? Start today .

  • Jay

    In September 2000, a right-wing think-tank drafted a document called: “Project for the New American Century” (PNAC). It states that if we are going to transform America into “tomorrow’s dominant force”, it is going to be a long process, unless there is a “catastrophic and catalyzing event-like a new Pearl Harbor.”


    A Report of “The Project for the New American Century
    -September 2000

    Written a year before 9/11

  • Anonymous

    I must echo what “Responder” said a few posts up. I too was at the Pentagon on 9/11 and I witnessed with my own eyes pieces of the airline laying around the building. I can speak to only that. I can not factually dispute the other items in this report but the account given on the Pentagon is false.

    • Mark Are

      Wait a minute Anonymous! I TOO was at the Pentagon on 9/11. I walked among the debris and was asking my superiors WHERE IS THE PLANE debris? They IMMEDIATELY taped my mouth shut, strapped me to a gurney and told me I had to be INSANE to believe I didn’t see any debris. I mean it was all over the place. TONS of debris. Just no plane parts. That was the weird part. So now I am a park cop at the Washington Monument with my engineering degree at home going to my waist (I’m up to 255). THIS IS ABOUT WHAT MOST OF YOU SOUND LIKE. BLATHERING IDIOTS!

  • Darrell

    OK, I get it – don’t trust the government! What else is new?! So what do we do about it? Elect candidates to congress from outside the “system”, candidates that want to strip Washington of its jurisdiction and power over the states and the people. Any candidate or party that says “I/We can better run Washington” will NEVER get my vote. We don’t need to run Washington, we need to divest Washington.

    • Mark Are

      Yep, ur rite! We need to divest Washington the way it was divested in Independence Day when everyone in the theater got up and cheered.

  • mike g

    Not sure if it was already mentioned but the twin towers were designed to withstand multiple letliner attacks. I’m not sure if the government was directly involved, but many in government had knowledge of it. Its just too bad the american people are too afraid to question painful events like this. I do believe the nwo was behind it. They have people everywhere.

  • javajoy

    I don’t know about the accuracy of the timing in the article. I do know that I was sitting right here at my computer when I got the call from my son to turn on the TV and I saw the second plane hit the tower. It sounds to me like the author thinks we should have known immediately about what was going on.
    I take issue with the writer’s view on the plane that hit the Pentagon. I personally know someone who was right there and saw it happen and I believe his eyewitness account more than the doubts expressed in the article. I believe he said the plane flew right over him on its way to the Pentagon and he literally saw it hit.
    Don’t forget that the intelligence agencies were not talking to one another back then nor were they sharing information. We may have had information but I think we were waiting for translations.

    • DeWitt Bunch

      I was watching tv too… I saw the plane go behind the 2nd tower and the front explode… must have been a different channel

  • threeper

    I have been asking these questions since 2001. Cui Bono? I never believed the official story, and have been trying to find the truth and who was actually behind these horrendous deeds for the last ten years. I want answers! And I never expect truth from the government…

  • Void1972

    Problem, Reaction, Solution.
    The CFR, Trilateral commission, and the Bilderbergs have nothing but time on their hands. 9/11 was just a piece of the puzzle created by these anti-American, anti-human, anti-Christ satanist to force controlled and government sponsored spying on innocent citizens of America and the world. They created these building to bring them down.
    The sheep are waiting patiently to be slaughtered, and when the fleecing began, the sheep still did not recognize the wolf because they were too busy being entertained by the wolf, or wolfowitz.
    People have more important things to do then worry about terrorist. Our “Government” will Protect us.
    The people are way too busy working, or too busy not working. The fools are so caught up in American Idol, Jersey Shore, Kardashians, baseball, football, that who has time to think about evil intent?
    Our Government will protect us.
    Well folks, we have been taken for the idiots we are. We the people let this happen, and we only have ourselves to blame.
    You can vote in Obama next year, or Perry, or Felix the cat, but the only true American candidate( Ron Paul ) will never win the nomination because the sheeple are too busy watching Oscars and the house wives of every demented county in America.
    Keep entertained, your government will protect you.
    The masters are playing the end game right now, so sit back and enjoy the show, while your loved ones are slaughtered.
    Amalgam is still being used by more then 55% of dentist in America, but not allowed on animals.
    Your government is very busy protecting you.
    We organize now or perish!
    God Bless the innocent lives lost on 9/11, and the great American men that have given thier lives in vain, for a corrupt government and God bless those who will stand against the evil that control us now!
    Give us Strength!

    • GerryC

      Rememeber the history of the Twin Towers. It was a Rockefeller project, that was supposed to make billions of dollars. It turned into a white elephant losing hundreds of millions. Then conveniently “the New York Port Authority” bought it (can you spell corporate bailaout), thereby restoring the money that the Rockefellers lost, and leaving the taxpayers to pay the bill.
      And also don’t forget it was Rudy “The hero of 9-11″ Guilianni that moved the City’s emergency response system into the Twin Towers, so that when it came crashing down, the emergency efforts went uncoordinated.

  • Henry Ledbetter

    There is one that knows exactly all that was done in darkness and it is within His power to bring it to the light. My prayer is that we would seek His wisdom for such a time as this. God warns us that if the salt has lost its savpr, it will be cast under the feet of men. For the most part, we have allowed our salt to be stripped of all nutrIents that our bodies need for good health. Likewise, the Word Of The Lord has been deemed of no worth, but when used; it will not return void and will accomplish that which it sets out to do. GOD’S TRUTH CAN SET US FREE AND HIS LIGHT CAN OVERCOME THE GREATEST DARKNESS. I recommend seeking The Lord while He may be found.

  • Jay

    On the morning of 9/11, NORAD was in day two of a week long terrorist drill exercise called “Vigilant Guardian”. This exercise was a simulation of a real terrorist attack on the WTC, involving hijacked airliners.

  • AJ

    Great article Bob as usual. I commend you on your courage and quest for the truth. Unfortunately the majority of the people in this country cannot see truth — even when it smacks them in the face. The real sad part of it is that most people just don´t want to see or really can’t see what is really going on. The small group of people who can see the conspiracy are frustrated with the majority of people in our nations inability to comprehend the extremely well-documented arguments which have been presented to describe the process of our collective enslavement and exploitation. Their brains have been completely washed and blocked by main stream media outlets of both sides of the spectrum from finding out that the resources of this world, including people, are controlled by, “The extremely wealthy and powerful families, whose incorporated old world assets have, with modern extortion strategies, become the foundation upon which the entire world´s economy is currently indebted to and controlled by.” The passport found on the side walk is just as feasible as was the unscathed bullet they found on Connelly’s stretcher in the hospital following the JFK assassination. Very convienient. I think it was called the magic bullet. Both of these events constitute a great cover up and turning points in our loss of freedoms. So “the passport falling unharmed to the ground near the tower, where it was spotted by a passerby and turned over to police despite the bedlam going on all around?” is because it got there just as the magic bullet got where it was conveniently found. “Some witnesses also reported seeing Flight 93 on fire before it crashed into the field. Why were these witnesses hushed up and why weren’t they allowed to testify for the 9/11 Commission?” Same reason that vital witnesses to the JFK assassination either died conveniently or disappeared. “What was the plane they saw and did it shoot down Flight 93 upon orders from Vice President Dick Cheney? We don’t know who gave the orders but I would bet it was conveniently shot down. “Why were no identifiable parts of a Boeing 757 found at the crash site?” Because a Boeing 757 never showed up there. “If Flight 77 did not crash into the Pentagon, what happened to it and its passengers and crew?” That’s a question that the family members of the victims on the plane should be asking. Everyone needs to keep asking questions. Questions lead to the expansion of our collective awareness. The more questions asked the more is revealed by the inquiries insights. We are at a turning point in our history where we have to decide on keeping quiet or asking more questions. We are at a turning point where we have to ask ourselves is our time spent well debating issues over who is to blame for our present situation, the Republicans or the Democrats? Or to spend our time asking questions to peel back the layers of untruth and pulling back the veils of deceit and deception revealing the real terrorists. The illuminated ones, wealthy and powerful families of the NWO that exert complete control over our presidents and politicians. What and who is to blame for this? “US” for we are the majority they are the minority. It is our responsibility to take back our freedoms and question the status quo. Questions lead to answers keep asking them. And turn off the main stream media and wash your own mind. We have another turning point coming in November of 2012. If our remaining freedoms are to be retained then there has to be an outright majority that is fed up with the lies we have been fed. 9/11 was a cover up by the same families that covered up the JFK assassination or as Nixon called it the “Bay of Pigs Thing.” We must abandon the ritual of picking our political leaders by the option of the lesser of two evils when it comes to these 2012 elections. If you want more of the same then go with the media supported candidates on both sides. The so called electable candidates. If you want change, real integrity in that change then vote for the candidates that have a proven record of voting on the constitution. You might ask yourself this question, “How’s voting for party line picks in the past been working for ya? How do you think just a change in political parties will work for ya? This is a turning point in history where we have to decide on voting party lines or on lines of principle. I’ll take principle because I’m sick of politics as usual and the lies that are feed us like pabulum. I understand now why Patrick Henry said, “Give me Liberty or give me death.” No settling for the lesser of two evils because they’re all the same evil. Put your fear aside and keep asking questions and eventually the truth shall set us free. Again Bob I commend you on your courage to ask the questions put forth in your article.

    • Capitalist at Birth

      All questions and no provable believable answers.

      • Mike W

        The use of “provable believable” is an oxymoron.

      • Kate8

        Cap – If I were going to orchestrate a false flag incident with the intent of deceiving the world, I’d do everything possible to make sure it would be extremely difficult to prove anything one way or another. That way, all of the theories in the world could be thrown out there in full view, and no one would believe any of them, even if people came forward with a piece of the truth.

        Just because a thing isn’t provable doesn’t mean we have to accept the obvious lie. Like most crimes, evidence is pieced together a particle at a time.

        You can choose to accept the official story line if that makes you feel better. But a lie is a lie is a lie, and just because no one can prove differently because every obstacle is placed in the way of the truth, or because there are too many stories to sort through…well, does that mean we should just accept what we get and forget it?

  • Pete

    A fool can ask more questions in a minute than a wise man can answer in a lifetime

    • Mike W

      I’d rather be the fool that asks the right questions & lives than the wise man who doesn’t & ends up dead. Just a thought!

    • Erin

      What about the fool who doesn’t ask ANY questions and takes his medicine like a “good boy?”

      • Mike W

        Then he’s no better than the wise man who does the same.

  • Jay

    Who was the director in the company that provided electronic security for the WTC and Washington’s Dallas airport both involved in 9/11? None other then the President’s younger brother, Marvin P. Bush Principal, SECURACOM/STRATESEC 1993-2000.

  • Average Joe

    I have never believed that 911 was anything other than a false flag operation designed to get us into the middle east in order to obtain resources and control of the region.

  • Tom S

    The sad thing is that there are so many people in our country who could believe that President Bush and people associated with our government could have anything to do with the murder of almost 3,000 of our citizens. And people wonder why the greatest thing to happen in our country in recent history, the Tea Party is going down and down in the polls. Because people are equating the Tea Party with nutjobs who believe our country would murder its own citizen in a conspiracy to ostensibly become part of a new world order. Geez….

    • Erin

      What people need to do is STOP namecalling and labeling other people based on their opinion of views other than their own (I believe that makes you a BIGOT).

      And yes, mainstream media is putting all the blame on the Tea Party – because they need a scapegoat for the country’s problems and certainly DON’T advocate personal liberty. I suggest you turn off Fox News, put down your diet coke and do your own research.

      • Rebecca Fahlin

        I have watched Fox News and contrary to what some of you believe they have never given any credit to these conspiraracy theories. In fact, they have exposed the so-called “fact” that the Israeli Government had something to do with 9-11 and that they warned their people beforehand to be a fabricated lie made up by anti-Semitics.

        I remember watching the memorial service they had on television after the attack. I notice that many of the people who were killed had Jewish surnames. So much for the theory that Israel knew about it and warned their people!!

    • Mark Are

      Sure Tom…only OTHER people live in countries where their leaders would kill them. Our “leaders” are saints, angels and all sorts of good fellows. NOT! THEY ARE PSYCHOPATHS and you have bought into their sales pitch.

    • Average Joe

      Tom S,

      Read up on : Operation Northwood, in oder to get a little perspective on the matter. Our illustrious military suggested doing exactly that in order to rally the citizens against Cuba in 1962. Thank goodness Kennedy put a stop to it, The military and McNamara were fully behind it. They even suggested using a remote control plane and have it shot down near Cuba and claim that it was full of American students. If they had the technology in 1962, to R/C an airplane, what makes us beleive that that wasn’t the case on 911?

  • Bill Probst

    Bob – one of the best summaries of the event I have seen. Thanks for your good works. As a bleeding heart liberal (more or less) I find everyone of your reports informative and truthful no matter where the information goes.

    You might have mentioned that the passengers on the supposed flight into the Pentagon got off the plane in Cleveland, and were met by Mayor White. It was written up in the Cincinnati Newspaper. I have written to several investigative reports and asked why they don’t interview Mayor White.

    Thanks again and I will be sure to always renew your subscription.

    This subject is so important to the spiritual values of this country and the TRUTH in general. I have many friends who are angry with me for being unpatriotic.

  • Robert Redfern

    Fact: 2 Planes flew into the Twin Towers
    Fact: The Towers collapsed
    Fact: The architect of the twin Towers demonstrated in careful scientific detail on BBC TV how it was impossible for the Towers to collapse in the way suggested and them was reported to have committed suicide shortly afterwards.
    Fact: Building 7 collapsed for no properly explained reason.
    Fact: Something Flew into the Pentagon, a building with a huge amount of CCTV cameras surrounding it.
    Fact: There was not any credible evidence it was a plane.
    Fact: The 9/11 Commission could not or did not explore all of the possibilities.
    Fact: As time goes on it will get harder to have a full independent examination
    Opinion: It is unlikely to be a Government organised conspiracy as all governments are woefully inadequate in the area of organisation never mind conspiracy.
    Opinion: It was either criminally inadequate security services (who should have at least been sacked) or a shadow government agency.

  • neo con

    tom please check out patriots for 911 and read all of their testimonys

  • Thor

    You raise a lot of good questions here, Bob, most of which have been asked and answered—which leaves only the prospect that you are a conspiracy theorist as a result of governmental mistrust. I, too, do not trust the government to have my best interest in mind—but the empirical evidence of that mistrust is rooted in the predictability of progressive ideals. No point in perpetuating myth on account of it.

    Here are the obvious answers to your questions:

    The first thirty percent concerning ‘failures of the intelligence community’ are directly attributed to the fact George Tenet was head of the CIA and directly attributable to his intelligence-gathering philosophy: Tenet was appointed by Bill Clinton; nine months after taking office Bush had not replaced him. Tenet did not believe in human spies, the so-called ‘boots on the ground’ ‘insiders’ needed to verify what is revealed by technological surveillance (an absolute necessity, learned during the Bay of Pigs); and, like you, Bob, Tenet did not believe in the kind of surveillance provided by the Patriot Act–which did not exist then. Therefore, the means used now to detect communications, to get digital face recognition and electronic verification of locations of suspects was not at the disposal of CIA and FBI—at that time.

    Metal is tempered to a specific tensile strength for a specific purpose. When under an overburden, say the weight of one third of the weight of a tower like WTC, it does not have to melt to have its tensile strength weakened. Once the weight overcomes one portion of the structure, the rest is then burdened beyond its tensile strength and the thing collapses. JP8 burns plenty hot to accomplish this. Thermite residue is very similar to many other burned compounds produced by the kind of intense heat associated with the incident. No genuine engineer will dispute these facts—unless of course he wants to suborn ‘conspiracy’ and get popular in a hurry.

    If you want to know why we went to Afghanistan and Iraq, your tactical and strategic knowledge does not have to exceed basic map-reading. We have known since the fall of the Shah of Iran that Tehran has been pulling the strings of every Muslim terrorist organization on the planet. What better way to get the point across that you mean business than to surround them? Many of our current problems could have been solved if both those armies had met in the middle, say, just outside the gates of Tehran; but, while we had the tacit agreement of the UN that something had to be done, when we were ready to do so we all we got was opposition to the invasion of Iran. You will recall that Iran resides smack dab in the middle of Iraq and Afghanistan. The Zulus called it the ‘horns of the bull,’ Arabs know it as ‘the curve of the dagger whose tip is at the enemy’s throat’ and Custer’s 7th Cavalry would say, “We got’em surrounded.” Having two armies cocked and locked at an enemy’s throat, along with intelligence gathered by human spies and ‘freer use of electronic surveillance’ under the Patriot Act are ‘the next best thing’ and are totally responsible for the successive prevention of terrorist acts in this country. That point is brought home by the nature of those acts that have been successful—lone gunman, types, for example—that no tool is allowed to detect or prevent in our system of ‘cultural diversity’ and ‘tolerance.’

    You are absolutely right about one thing though, Bob, our government lies to us on a regular basis and George Bush was no exception. Bush made a blanket statement about not having a clue the enemy was planning anything ‘involving flying airplanes into buildings.’ While there would not have been any ‘human spy’ evidence or ‘surveillance’ indication such a thing was imminent, Republicans had commissioned a white paper by an international terrorist expert as early as 1983, which eventually became a book in 1993, that indicated that’s exactly the kind of thing low-tech adversaries were planning:

    Huzang Morteza’I, an experienced Iranian pilot, served as flight instructor for the IRGC until 1983. He described another form of suicide bombings in which pilots crashed Pilatus PC-7 aircraft loaded with explosives into major targets and died like martyrs. The training of suicide pilots started at Busher air base in Iran in the early 1980’s. (Yossef Bodansky, Target America, p.14).

    Further reading discloses that this was a collaborative effort with the North Koreans providing some of the training—beginning 20 years before 9/11!

    While I don’t think it takes full-blown conspiracy theory to explain things, I do think bringing them up and discussing them as you have here, Bob, is a public service. It is definitely something we should understand better than we do—but let’s not be so hasty to prove the ‘enemy is us.’

  • http://PersonalLibertyNews Ed Callahan

    More paranoid conspiracy nonsense, the same people who continue to fan the flames of crap like this. Are the same blame America first crowd that brings you Global Warming, Solar Power, Wind Turbines, Electric Cars, Ethanol, Obama Care, Banned Happy Meals, Michael Moore, The Sky Is Falling, Trophys for the losers, Afirmitive Ation for the ugly, They live in the best Nation on earth, a nation that has done more for every other nation and every other people than any other in the history of mankind. And like spoiled children they can only wine about how stupid their parents are. You all make me sick!

    • Curtis

      Speaking as a strong social and fiscal conservative, I have to say after reading some of the absolute non-sense in this story as well as in many of the comments, I have to wonder whom I have aligned myself with. Subjects that are very technical and require a lifetime of experience and dedication (like fire science, building and aerospace engineering etc) to fully understand. Speculating about very technical subjects like these when you only have a cursory understanding is a FOOLS game. And that is exactly how all of these conspiracy theories take flight….from ignorance.

      As to the events that occurred on 9/11, I believe another poster, Mike, has said it best “I would hope this is not a shock to anyone, but our government is terribly inefficient and in most cases, inept. The events which occurred on 9/11/2001 were less likely the culmination of some grand scheme perpetrated by the government and most likely the unveiling of its ineptitude.”.

      His statement represents about the only “real truth” I have read here this morning. We have much bigger fish to fry today not the least of which is getting our country back to it Constitutional roots. It is time to put our collective energies into that as our primary goal and to stop letting all of the “side show” distractions deter us from what we all agree needs to be done.

      • speedle

        Amen Brother

      • Mike W

        It’s quite obvious that government is both inept & inefficient, unless you happen to work for the government.
        My conclusion from all of this rhetoric is that we may never really know what transpired on that tragic day. We want simple answers to a complicated event that could be an isolated incident or just part of bigger scheme; perhaps to achieve a preconceived goal or outcome as
        many have speculated. The world of the 21st century is a far more complex entity than it was even a generation ago. We live not only in the information age, but also the dis & misinformation age,
        an era of exaggerated opinions, half truths & the perpetual lie.
        Even if the whole truth came out, all we could do is make sure that there is no encore. The damage has been done & the retaliatory aftermath is beginning to wear thin & could contribute to our demise as nation.
        I agree with the notion of getting back to the Constitution & in essence 9/11 is a distraction. However, as mentioned there seems to be a bigger picture to all of this, more than meets the eye. Wether done by design,to make way for a new world order or a chaotic whelm,
        one thing that cannot be misconstrued. The problems facing this planet need to be solved or life as we know it will someday cease to exist.

    • Brian

      People who use the phrase “blame America first” as a criticism of others are simply people who refuse to accept what their government has done and is capable of doing.

  • Jay
    • BrotherPatriot

      Excellent link…as usual, Jay. Hope many, many others watch it.

      Keep up the good work.

      God Bless.

      • BrotherPatriot

        Here’s another intersting link about the mysterious deaths associated with the witnesses of 9/11.

        God Bless.

        • Jay

          My goodness brother, that was absolutely gut wrenching! But, as the good Lord stated, one day, all will be made known, everything will be laid bare, and He will wipe away every tear. And execute justice!
          Keep on, keeping on Brother!

          • BrotherPatriot

            Roger that!

  • http://gunner689 gunner689

    These are the questions I would like to see answered :

    1) Why the coverup on the Long Island airliner shootdown ?
    2) Why was the “Wall of Seperation” co-ordinater Jamie Goreleck on the investigating committee instead of supoenied as a witness ?
    3) Why were there no taxis at ground zero that morning ?
    4) What happened to the Muslim school boy who told his teacher the day before that the Towers would be gone the next day ?

    I don’t think that the actions were our gvts. instigation. But the investigation and follow up was questionable. I think it was one giant beuracracy tripping over another and a lack of communication and follow up on lower level intel reports. The seeds for this failure were sown during Jimmy Carter’s admin. and their destruction of Humit. and over relianse on satellite intel. The failure of several admin. to recognize that the Muslim world was waging war on us and the West also contributed. They failed to nip it in the bud, as when the Shah was deposed by radicals and our citizens were held.

  • http://google Helen

    For those who believe the bible, we are seeing the beginning of the tribulation unfold. How else would Obama come into power the way he did? America has never had an evil tyrant like this man. Obama is not only evil, but is preparing the way for the Antichrist to come on the scene. The world will worship this man, except for those who are believers of Christ, those who will worship this man as the Messiah. He will perform miracles. Many are scoffing and laughing, but when destruction comes upon the entire world, except for Israel, they will cry out for mercy, but like when the flood came, only Noah and his family were saved. Those who refuse to believe will not be given a second chance. God is giving America one last chance to do something. He does not expect us to just sit idly by and do nothing.
    Either stand and fight or else die at the hands of this evil demon.

    • mark

      Right, but according to today’s article, George W. Bush and his minions either planned or had a direct hand in the 9/11 attacks. So who is worse George W. Bush or Barak Obama? If Bush deliberately helped kill 3000 innocent Americans, isn’t he the real AntiChrist? Isn’t he the evil 666 guy that you should be focusing your bile on? I don’t believe in any of this nonsense, it’s cuckoo, but why isn’t Bush worse than Obama if Livingston’s story is correct?

      • AJ

        It’s not Bush or Obama it’s their pupet masters.

        • Jay

          It seems that poor old mark lacks the intelligence to connect the dots!

    • Mark Are

      SOMEONE please send Helen some HELP!

    • Paul Smith

      I don’t know if it’s happening now or won’t come for another hundred years (or longer) but your concept is dead on, Helen. The U.S. of A. is not mentioned in end times prophecy. In order for Armageddon to happen, the U.S.’ reign as a super power must have ended. Today’s issues may just be His anger at us for our flagging moral values and for straying from his plan (our Constitution) and may be reversible – time will tell. God’s will will be (and is being) done and it is the peace of being a Christian that makes all this less stressful than many are experiencing. Is comet Elenin or Nibiru part of God’s end times plan? Works for me, bring it on!

      • CJM

        No other country is mentioned either—so who really knows who or what will be involved in the armeggadon (or ‘end of times’)? The US has just as much a chance in fighting the final war as any other country– If you believe otherwise, where’s the PROOF?

    • CJM

      Helen: A good number of people may be worshipping obama as you say, but what miracles has he performed? Well, I suppose demoralizing America, destroying the US ecnomy, catering to the enemy, bowing to foreign ‘dignitaries’ (I use the term only because the monitor will not permit me to use another) so his backside is higher than the ‘dignitaries’ head, usurping the US Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, allowing shar’ia to be used in place of US Law, are some things a few would call miracles—-but, and here’s the big question: Which of these ‘miracles’ have the healing propensities of Christ? So, I think you are wrong in stating obama performs miracles of Christ-like qualities, which is what an anti-christ would do.

    • Tammy

      Yes America did his name was Woodrow Wilson who sold the USA to the evil bankers all for NWO crowd of Rockefellers & Rothchilds. We have been lied to since the founding of America. The Foundation of our constitution has ALWAYS been under attack because you cannot control a FREE NATION of people living in FREEDOM. If at first you don’t succeed in destroying freedom LIE & LIE some more.

    • hicusdicus

      I guess I am safe from all these up and coming trials and tribulations. I don’t read the bible. The 911 conspiracy theories are more believable than the bible.

  • GerryC

    Why not ask the real unasked question.
    One of the planes crashed into the floors occupied by Merril Lynch which was being investigated by the Justice Department for ripping off its customers. All the possible evidence was destroyed, the investigation just disappeared, the customers never got their day in court, and the families of the of the employees of ML got the biggest payouts from the government. Hey if you racked up a 7 figure salary based on “illegal” excessive trades,buying and selling to generate lots of commissions, and you lose all of your customers money in the process. Well with all the evidence destroyed your family got its payout based on your high (illegal) pay. How convenient.

    • CJM

      Wow–Merrill Lynch did it again, GerryC. They had nearly 3,000 people murdered just to avoid an investigation by the FBI. Well, just in case you’re wondering, I do believe that the investigation did pick up later down the road–and Merrill Lynch didn’t fare well, either. Regardless, your reasoning that Merrill Lynch had anything to do with the invasion and attack on Sept 11 makes about as much sense as saying the red water we drink every day comes from our local water treatment plants and the government is in a conspiracy to turn the Chicago and Mississippi Rivers red just to prove their power.

    • hicusdicus

      HA, ha, ha, ha,ha,!

  • John

    Building 7 had to come down. One of the planes designated to hit it failed to make it’s target. The demolition materials were in place and would have been discovered by the firefighters responding to the small fire already burning before the collapse. These buildings have accesses behind the public wallls that are commonly occupied by maintenance people. Most of the maintenance that makes any noise is carried out after the buildings are closed to the public at night. A simple change in the maintenance crew and months of preparation and installation could have accomplished the mission. Aircraft have a mass that is spread out over a large area.If the planes had been a single chunk of solid steel they might have caused extensive damage to the structures but probably would not have been able to bring them down. There is a difference also between The One God, Creator of the Universe, and those who believe that they collectivly think that they are god and own the lives and liberties of all they survey. Our government is controlled, lock stock an barrel by the latter working as both political parties to our peril. The sheep never vote for the Shepherd, for the sheep are only offered the Wolves. The Wolves don’t care how many sheep die. Wolves come in a variety of colors. Color doesn’t matter. Dr. King warned about looking at color without knowing about character. Be informed. Don’t let the political parties run two more Wolves.

  • Luci D’Mari

    Mt father always told me “Don’t believe your government. They only tell you what they want you to know.
    We lost our way when we threw God out of everything. We must once again become a Nation under God.
    2012 is our last chance. We must pick the right person this time. So far, I’m for Ron Paul.

    • mark

      Right don’t believe anything that the government says. Don’t believe in the Constitution either, it is just the organizing blueprint of the lying government. It, too, like the entire government is a pack of lies. Dont’ believe in anything or anyone. They’re all liars. Even the King James version of the Bible. It is not called that for nothing. It was written up by the Government of King James (1603-1625), another government you can never believe in. So the Bible is a pack of lies also. Everything is a lie. But of course that means that what I am writing here is all lies too. Welcome to the land of paranoia. Sit down and relax; you will have lots of good company on this webiste.

      • Jay

        mark says: But of course that means that what I am writing here is all lies too.

        Gee mark, i didn’t think you were capable of telling the truth. I guess i was wrong? The above statement is perhaps the only true statement you have ever made. Funny how a liar eventually reveals himself!

  • Dave

    Have you noticed that is all of the internet, the information regarding the authors of the H. R. 3162 (Patriot Act) have all been removed from the documentation. Those who are blaming President and his political party, all forget that legislation has to come from the House and the Senate before the President can sign legislation into law. I would like to know exactly who it was that authored the legislation for this act, and subsequently who carried it through in the senate with their adjustments.

    Just something for thought. It does not matter who signed this legislation into law, but those who are responsible for the legislation to begin with at its conception. There has been many pieces of legislation that Presidents have been attributed to them, that they in all actuality had nothing to do with in the initial phases, whether good or bad that have affected this country.

    • ValDM

      As far as I know, Biden is the individual attributed with authorship of the Patriot Act, written during Bubba Clinton’s roost.

  • http://yahoo LEWB

    Here is my thoughts!

    Prez. Chaos Obama was kept in a Time Machine in a CAVE in KENYA until G.W.Bush sent him a signal to come to America and train for a pilot of a 911 Plane to Attack the WTC.
    Now Chaos needed to reside in america as a citizen in order to run for Prez, So he posed as a “LAWN JOCKEY ” in the yard of JOE BIDEN, in CONN, thus explains why Chaos has a social security card number showing his state of residence is CONN.
    Now, CHAOS needed a WIFE , so they kidnapped a FULLBACK from the GRREN BAY Packers with a 40 inch NECK in circumference , explaining the HUGE frame of Michele, Wide Hips, and Short Hairs , at least under her arms!!
    Now YOU KNOW the where Chaos came from , You will have a better idea where America is going , UNLESS we throm this BUM out in 2012!!
    C.U. at the POLLS!

    • mark

      These don’t really qualify as “thoughts.” Ravings would be a better definition.

    • CJM

      Lewb: Just WHAT did you put in your scrambled eggs this morning? Please inform the public so we can all avoid it!!!

  • Bruce M.

    “Two days before the 9/11 attacks, the “Lion of Panjshir,” Ahmad Shah Massoud Khayin, who was the leader of the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan, was assassinated by two suicide bombers posing as journalists. In the early morning hours of Sept. 11, a van occupied by Middle Eastern men pulled up to The Colony Beach and Tennis Resort in Florida, where Bush was staying. They said they were there to interview the President, but didn’t have an appointment. They were turned away. Are these two incidents related?”

    It is believable to me that this likely was an attempt to (similarly) assassinate the US President. It reminds me of our experience when we were in line for tickets to enter a tour of the White House in July of 2001. Two Middle Eastern-looking men, in a clearly belligerent manner, tried to crowd their way into the line and fended off complaints from those in the line until we asked security people to intervene and they took them out of there, while even they were faced with argumentative behavior. The CIA & FBI probably had many indications over the years of probes and plans toward such an attack. They are as lame as they were when a gun-wielding shooter could get within feet of President Ronald Reagan.

  • John Hendricks

    Just look at the picture at the beginning of the article. Is that a picture of an explosion or a collapse? It’s difficult for me to believe anyone could say it is a collapse, but I’m sure someone will do it. Let me take a stab: The WTC was like a full can of coke. If you dropped a ten ton weight on the can, the contents of the can would spray out upwards, proving it was a collapse. Where do these people come from?

  • James

    Face it! The federal government is no longer under control of the people. The picture of one of the twin towers exploding tells it all. It is not a picture of a weakened building collapsing, it’s a picture of a building being demolished by explosives. You can see chunks of the perimeter steel framing flying outward, that would not happen if the building was just collapsing.

    • CJM

      James: the buildings did NOT explode, they IMPLODED–a big difference. When the planes hit, the damage was to the internal, central core of each building; this weakened the structure which would have caused an IMPLOSION and not an explosion. That kills your conspiracy theory–and the loudmouths trying to present this as an argument need to go back to school and learn the simple difference between explosion and implosion.

      • James

        CJM, You’re ignoring pictorial evidence, the dust and debris plumes are going upward, these explosions preceded the building’s collapse. Also, one plane hit the corner of a tower, the starboard engine only damaged the corner framing and most of the plane’s fuel burned up outside of the building. Little, if any, damage was done to the core columns, yet this tower was the first to collapse.There are dozens of eyewitnesses, many of the firemen there, who saw and heard these explosions go boom! boom! boom! all around the building, about ten seconds before the building collapsed at near free-fall speed. That’s demolition, hundreds of experts have agreed to that.

  • Mike

    Though I will admit there were many strange coincidences, I hardly find the official story improbable. The reason I find the official story more likely than not is due to a job contract that I had at the time which had me living in New York the year leading up to 9/11- to add to your list of ‘strange coincidences’, I cancelled my contract and returned home three days prior to the event itself.
    As with many that travel for a living, I live in hotels. When you live in hotels you tend to meet and befriend others sharing your same experience; this is a story of one individual that I met during my stay in New York.
    John (not his real name) was flown into the country to perform some work at LaGuardia, his employer, an airline, informed him that he would be in and out so would not actually leave the tarmac requiring him to go through U.S. customs. When I met ‘John’, he had already been living in the U.S. for six months. Since we both work in a technical field, I generally spoke with him nightly at the hotel bar. One night I asked him since he didn’t have any documentation, how he as a foreign national was able to work 5 days per week at the airport. He informed me that for the most part, airport security was an illusion pulled over the eyes of those that follow the process (rules). During the conversation, which was terribly sobering, he described to me what he did each day to bypass security and get to the plane on which he was scheduled to work.
    Now, to presume that ‘John’ was the only person able to bypass airport security would be naïve. Even in our current ‘heightened’ level of security, there have been estimates published as recently as 2010, suggesting that the number of individuals overstaying visas is approximately 5 million and the whereabouts of the majority is unknown.
    I would hope this is not a shock to anyone, but our government is terribly inefficient and in most cases, inept. The events which occurred on 9/11/2001 were less likely the culmination of some grand scheme perpetrated by the government and most likely the unveiling of its ineptitude.

    • Mike

      One additional note that I neglected to add in my original post- I keep hearing this theory regarding explosives in the basement and the collapse of the towers as having been a controlled detonation. I work in a technical field and not demolitions, so I do not possess the expertise to explain the collapse. I do however maintain a high degree of reason and when viewing various videos (those that show the towers from bottom to top) you witness a twist in the upper structure of the tower as it begins to collapse- this it would seem consistent with a failure of the support infrastructure and not controlled demolition. The second aspect that is observed is that prior to the top floors beginning to collapse, there is no indication of an explosion in the basement; there is no indication of a change in air pressure which would be consistent with an explosion of the magnitude required to bring the towers down. Not until after the collapse begins, do we see any sort of debris exiting the bottom level of the towers- this it would appear would be consistent with an increase in pressure which would be experienced as the floors began to collapse and again, not a controlled detonation.
      It just seems that many are willing to give the government far more credit than warranted.

  • M.D.

    Why isn’t anyone asking “was there a second shooter?”
    Oh wait, that was another conspiracy theory…
    Let’s get back to what matters- getting the radical GOP nutjobs out of office.
    I long for the days of real conservatives…

  • Terry

    IMO any one world govt stuff is islamic inspired. They now control the politics of the UN with large numbers of islamic countries who all have votes in some matters and have brought out the anti-gun program that HRC has endorsed, and are even trying to make Christinity a rogue religion, and of course hate Israel. And they have the money, our money, to spend for political activities. Including building and maintaining mosques all over the

    In America we, regardless of race, sex,sexual preference,etc. are all enslaved by the Banking Empire. This empire is based on the idea of govt debt. Borrowing money from “the” bank and then having to pay interest to the bank. The fed res is not govt, it is a bank and owned by member banks. IMO this govt needs debt scheme probably goes back to the days where king and queens, royalty, ran europe. They probably had bankers in those days whose primary function is to make money and likely had a scheme set up to “help” the kings, etc. with their financial issues. Our govt debt is the legacy of royalty finance methods, which were surely pimative when compared to what we know now and how royalty collected taxes? Did they store the cash in a bank, who charged interest for handling the kings funds? Also we did not have any national debt until 1913 and our economy was cash based? Europe has a similar dilema. Where member countries, Greece, Ireland, etc. borrowed from big banks in Germany and France? Our govt has borrowed money from the fed res and in recent years from foreign govts, china, japan, etc. because they have our dollars, as well as our jobs, and we no doubt pay them interest on our own money? This is not China’s etc. fault, this is because of outrageous spending by our govt. Spending of cash whose value, purchasing power, is dependent upon taxpayer debt! We are not the riches country in the world. Instead we probably have more debt than all the debt in history.

    If there was any financial/economic justice then our elected officials should have to buy back, pay off the national debt since they are the ones that have borrowed these funds, in the name of the taxpayers. They have done this despite the fact the Constitution empowers the govt to put money, not debt, into circulation. Thus as I see it, they personally are responsible for repayment of this debt since we are not responsible. They have spent a lot of it foolishly tying to buy votes and now want to raise taxes on us to pay for their spending addiction! If they go out and buy a car they have to pay for it, not the taxpayers. Same for me. If I go out and buy a car they are not going to pay for it. Not over my empty, dead bank account!

  • nick beck

    i have said in several statements before—having been in the demolition and explosive demo. business for 15 years i feel that this had the absolute finger print of a controlled demolition PERIOD. i wont get into all the reasons for this opinion at this time as its been covered in many other articles. the people that were behind this count on the fact most are truly ignorant of these things or are afraid to speak out or have no real medium to speak out in. the main information formats are owned and controlled by one arm of the same octopus. contractors of one sort or another were in these buildings on a regular basis from the begining to the end-it was life as usual without question….trust your own judgement…. THIS COULD HAVE BEEN DONE AND PROBABLY WAS AND SOME DAY IN THE DISTANT FUTURE SOME OF THE FACTS WILL COME OUT

    • CJM

      You are so full of hot air, nick beck, it is a wonder you haven’t exploded yourself. It has already been PROVEN that when steel is weakened as it was with this catastrophe, buildings will IMPLODE. So you have some experience in the field of explosives–even your own experts get it wrong on occasion and this is one of them. But, I suppose that some would rather ignore the fact that we have NO NATIONAL SECURITY AND THIS IS THE REASON THE INVASION WENT SO WELL. BTW, the caps are for emphasis only, so don’t get over-wrought thinking I am shouting. And because of this invasion, it has opened the doors to many little invasions: building mosques under the guise of a religion when, in fact, the are part of a THEOCRACY (which our Constitution forbids); incorporating shar’ia in some recent judicial decisions (also UNCONSTITUTIONAL–the Law of the US IS the US Constitution and NOT the INFIDEL ISLAMIC PEDOPHILES IDEA OF LAW). It’s time to start putting the blame where it belongs–to an unhealthy, unmanned ICE and and inept president who seems to think his job is to party hardy at taxpayer expense.

      • Paul Smith

        “It has already been PROVEN that when steel is weakened as it was with this catastrophe, buildings will IMPLODE.”

        Bullpuckey. Cite please?

  • tridntru

    There are a million stories in the city this is just one of them. There are roughly 350 million people living within United States borders that do not exist. It is all a CONSPIRACY.

  • speedle

    I don’t think I have ever seen as many nut bags congregated on one web site. someone on a previous post here accused someone else of “Cognitive dissonance”. Geez, he needs to take a look in the mirror for some cognitive dissonance.

    Conspiracy theory stuff is fun and makes for good melodramatic movies and books, but I am beginning to believe there are a lot of people that actually let their imaginations overcome the logical portion of their brains. You throw around all these wild theories (any of which cancel out the other) just so you can all collectively justify your weird belief that 9-11 could not possibly be pretty much what it seems to be. It’s like “We know it couldn’t be what it seems to be, so let’s find some other explanation”.

    I just hope that most of you have day jobs and that when it comes time to cast your ballots you take off your Batman costumes and do the logical thing that conservatives should be doing.

    • CJM

      Speedle: I have to agree with you. The trouble with conspiracy groups is that they cannot accept the fact that the enemy counted coup on US soil–we were successfully invaded and they carried out their mission in full on at least 3 of the 4 specified targets. As for the ‘hole in the Pentagon being too small’ for an airplane to have made, I have to laugh=====exactly WHAT WAS that object millions of us saw flying into the builiding? And exactly, WHAT DID eyewitnesses see as the plane approached, then rammed the Pentagon? And exactly WHAT DID the AG’s wife tell him as SHE described the impending crash into the Pentagon? Bob L is wondering ‘where did the actual plane go?’ Like most crashed planes, it went up in flames, killing all aboard along with some in the building…Perhaps Bob needs to review the films taken that horrid day, wouldn’t you think?

  • CJM

    After reading your article, I am amazed that you would blame the US government and its citizes for the Sept 11 2001 attack. Interestingly, you want to know why one of the hijackers’ passport lay on the ground in pristine condition (other than being soaked in jet fuel) for the FBI to ‘conveniently’ find. Catastrophic situations do strange, eery things–how does one blade of straw become embedded in a 10″ thick post without any kind of damage to the fragile straw? And how is it that both adults and children (including an infant) get set down safely, without injury, after being transported for miles in the turbulance of a tornado? So much for your ‘convenient find’ of a passport.

    In the second place, one could say that the government did not pay attention to the clues they were uncovering pertaining to the attack itself; but neither did the officials pay attention to the clues that were a signal for the Pearl Harbor event—a case well documented. However, the fact that the clues were not taken seriously is not an indictment against the incumbent administration of the day (no, I did not vote for Bush), let alone the Clinton administration. The fact is, the enemy one-upped us on a grand scale and bin ladin took great delight in this.

    In the third place, immigration laws had become so lax over time, one wonders why we even kept ICE as an agency. Beginning with the Cuban invasion of Castro’s released prisoners, incumbent administrations have permitted mass immigration (the boat people, aliens of a ‘deemed refugee status’, and South American thugs who deal heavily in drug trafficking) without even so much as reviewing their name. The US SHOULD have returned those illegal Cubans en masse–granting NO asylum. Check the statistics; once they became encamped on US soil, everywhere they settled, the crime rate not only rose 150%, but the type of crimes became much worse. The boat people contributed nothing, but our government GAVE them money to purchase homes that THEY wanted (I know that for a fact–the home we selected was taken by the immigration officials for a VietNamese couple who wanted it), and GAVE them the money to purchase a business (just as the government does today for the sanddiggers who encamp on our soil). Not only that, asylum is illegally given to squatters like obama’s aunt and uncle—they are no more endangered in Kenya than the man in the moon is endangered for rabies from a rabid rabbit!!

    Quit blaming the US government and its people for what the enemy accomplished–they successfully invaded the US and got away with it. The response by the US was not sufficient enough—-had Truman been in office, the bin ladin group would have been annihilated with immediate dispatch and to the rest of the world, he would have told them: “War is hell, so what else is new?” Truman knew how to lead and he knew what to do with those who betrayed him by withholding pertinant information, particularly where that information had anything to do with National Security. As for obama being his successor: never would have happened. Truman despised conniving democrats as much as he did republicans and made no bones about it. Do I like Truman? You bet I do–he was a God-send after the nation had to put up with FDR for 3 terms (see what studying ACCURATE history can do for one? and the best part is, not one of you posters know if I really am old enough to remember Truman or just a good student!!!!!!).

    So Bob, quit bringing up the conspiracy garbage—this was the work of the enemy, NOT the US government or its citizens.

    • Lost in Paradise

      Right on! GOod post.

  • Mary Ann Gillispie

    Thank You!!! We have asked these questions of our representatives and they refer to the 911 Commission Report. Not only was our revered intelligence agencies part if the scandal, Bush decided we needed another inept agency Homeland Security to legally invade and restrain the private sector, so they won’t divulge their common sense analysis when the next crisis hits our country…probably bioweapons this time. Those who own the media are able to repeat a lie over and over until the toadies finally believe what is contrary to what they see—like building 7.


    WTC 7 is the troubling one.

    Has anybody investigated who all the tenets of the three building were? It would be easy for rich Saudis to lease an entire floor of all three buildings and then pre-wire them with explosives.

    • moonbeam

      I saw a film of the actual collapse, which clearly showed explosions going off on the floors below the impact. There were eyewitness accounts of bombs and explosions in the basement levels of the buildings.

      Bush was here in Florida talking to a class of children. Someone came into the room and whispered in his ear about what was happening. His reaction was strange. Sure, he explained it away saying he didn’t want to scare the children.

      I thought about what my own reaction would be. Scaring the kids would have been my last concern. I like to think I would have immediately gotten up and said. “Children, duty calls and I must go.” and left. Not sit there and look around as if saying to myself “Where am I. Who am I?” It just looked faked.

      To me, his response to hearing such devastating news that planes were hijacked and flew into the twin towers was rather inappropriate.

      Maybe it’s just me. Yeah, that’s what it is.

      • Mike

        Just one simple question for you: if your child was injured in such a way as that he/she was conscious but barely hanging on to life, would you react in a way that would be indicative of the emotions you were feeling, or would you attempt to remain calm so as not to upset your child? I think your answer will address your concern.

  • Lost in Paradise

    DId Micheal Moore right this article?

  • Lost in Paradise

    I watched the entire thing on television, and the building came down from the top down, and not from the foundation. The buildings were built around a central core. No one floor was able to support an additional floor, let alone two. The first one fell onto the one below it, and created a domino effect. As a pilot, it would be easy to fly into a building, with minimal experience. The Kamikaze pilot of world warII was quite effective and were inexperience teenagers, that were also not trained to land, which is the most difficult part of flight. Get real!!!

  • http://gunner689 gunner689

    Next to cross border smuggling, the Student Visa program is the best way to get terrorists into our country. I ran into my old English Prof., a fellow Marine, a few years ago. he told me that a year after 9/11 happened his new semester roster should that he was to have several mid-eastern Muslim students in his class. When they didn’t show up for class after a week he checked with the school admin. The students had paid their tuition in advance and been accepted to the school but never showed up. The school had their money so they really didn’t care or follow up. My friend checked with the Feds and made a report but has never heard anything nor have the so-called students ever showed up at the school. Just a few more young Muslim men loose in our society. Multiply that by every school in this country and the possibilities are staggering. This do good, feel good crap has got to stop. we are committing national suicide.

    • Mark Are

      and let’s see, I has been 10 years this weeks since this atrocity took place and HOW MANY terrorists attacks have their been in the us that even came close to this? Sorry, but terrorists can be in your own “government” too. If you look at the definition.

      Only the US is full of goody two shoes politicians and “leaders”. Only other peoples leaders would murder them. Our leaders are saints and angels. MY ASS.

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        The lack of attacks was not for the want of trying. Now that the US gvt. is finally awake and paying attention many attempts have been thwarted.

  • moonbeam

    Here’s something freaky for you. Most have probably seen this about folding the $20 bill that ends up depicting the World Trade Center. What is so freakish about it is that it is dead on and quite chilling.

    • Donald

      Doesn’t look like the WTC to me. Could be any tall building, or even a not so tall building.

  • Donald

    The reason people are not asking these questions is that most people don’t subscribe to the conspiracy theory of history.

  • John

    To begin to accept any of the “conspiracy theories” one must really accept that the government or some agency therein could coordinate something like this with no “leaks” pre or post event. This would be the same outfit that can’t keep troop movements a secret, or White House squabbles or anything. Consider that the planting of explosives would require lots of mouths going in and doing that. And after the events just staying blissfully silent. Any of our foreign government adversaries would pay dearly to have the info to blackmail or topple the US. And does anyone think that if there were a scintilla of evidence of a conspiracy that a Matt Drudge would not have been like a bulldog in heat?? Come’on folks. Let’s start at the first premise: How could they have done this? Well to start with we were not looking and got snookered. It goes on from there

    • Donald

      You got that right!

    • Donald

      You got that right

  • suprmum1

    We need to be ready for more in other areas as half the world has wanted America brought down. Yes, let’s get to answer some of these questions and check the accuracy of printed/broadcasted statements that don’t have a ring of truth. Our whole Congress needs to be scrutinized as to hidden financial connections. Let’s go back to the way the Founding Fathers set up the governing bodies. Congress should be under the same retirement system/health programs we the public must be under. They were to serve for a short time then return to their home states and their own businesses. NO CAREER POLITICIANS!

  • Paul Smith

    It was my understanding that the plane was upside down when it crashed – not in a vertical dive. What happened to the seats, the landing gear and the other stuff that would not be completely destroyed in a crash? As usual, no matter what article you read on 9-11 you always end up with more questions than were answered.

  • Mark Are

    Scotty, beam me up. There is no intelligent life left in this place they call the USA. IT is made up of a bunch of lemmings all heading to the cliff full speed ahead. I need to get out and can’t find any way to do so. So BEAM ME UP ALREADY!

  • jim

    It’s not that almost nobody asks these questions! It’s that nobody’s listening to the us asking these questions. These questions have been around almost from day one! The Main-Stream News calls us names…the term “Conspiracy Theorists” has taken on a derogatory form. The truth is there was a Conspiracy according to the Official Record…..but that’s OK because it’s the Governments Conspiracy Theory!

    I think the real nasty issue is this…..what is suppose to be a kind of Forth Branch of the Federal Government (that would be Investigative Journalism)…..the eyes, ears and voice of the People watching the other three branches……has been bought out, or off, by those who have an agenda that wants to see America become just another part of the New World Order!

    So, what is one person to do? What can one person do? We all now know the problems but how does one make a real change back to what use to be?

  • Denis

    There are four definite facts. An airplane hit WT 1. An airplane hit WT2. An airplane crashed into the pentagon. An airplane crashed in a field in Shanksville Pa. Thousands of lives were lost. Was the incidents of 9-11 a major plot by the Illumanti to develop a new world order? Remember Bush senior talked about a NEW WORLD ORDER. Bush W sent troops into Afghanistan (as did many other countries) to chase Osama Bin Laden. Later Bush sent troops into Iraq on the pretense of he had weapons of Mass destruction. Whats missing is the truth. Who is financing terror in the world? The SAUDI SHEIKS. Are they part of the Illumanti who want to rule the world when there is enough chaos to develop a new world order? Who knows? In the USA today we have the Patriot Act and the Military Commission Act which erode personal freedom. I am a believer that the best way to gain an upper hand on the terrorists is to follow the money. The Saudi’s have the money and are fostering and financing world terror by influencing newspapers editorials, paying for favorable University studies, by contributing large amounts of money to politicians in return for “favors” and buying military arms for the terrorists. They also finance almost every mosque being built in the world, ( who is paying for the ground zero mosque) which foster anti western values. In my opinion if Bush W sent troops into Saudi Arabia much of the turmoil and terrorism that is in the world today would not exist.

    • Tierra-Naomi Teneil

      Very good Denis,… of the the few who is on the right tract,….Papa Bushes lingo, “NEW WORLD ORDER AND A 1000 POINTS OF LIGHT” The 1000 points of lights is the supposed number of illuminati buddies around the world,…code talk, just like OBAMA’S” change is coming,…that change he was talking about was destroying America, not strengthening it…why doesn’t anyone see this,….ummmmm, mmmmmm

    • Mark Are

      4 facts? Where is the plane debris at the Pentagon? Where is the plane debris in Pennsylvania? Fact: THERE IS NONE.

      • Jay

        Where is Bin Laden’s body? There is none!

  • Doug

    One can speculate over these matters, this event and so many others over the centuries. The real truths we may never know in this lifetime. But such disasters as this are not new to the world. Examine world history over it’s milleniums including biblical history. When our cultures, our behaviors as a people degenerate to a place where trust, respect and honor of our fellow mankind gives way to greed, self-service and excess, these kinds of events begin to happen with more and more intensity. Perhaps this is what we need to wake up and get back on track to being the people we were intended to be way back when it all started.
    Will we never learn?

  • George

    I never thought that you would be a “Truther.” Goodbye, Bob.

    • 9/11 birthday girl

      Can’t handle the truth, huh George? That’s why they get away with it.

      Regarding other posts about ‘voting them out’… Considering that the govt has seized control over all of our “rights”, why would anyone still think that the voting system is somehow unpolluted? Like the horror mongers in charge would just sit back and allow us to have a say in anything? When they took away paper ballots for electronic voting, they eliminated any possibility to genuinely verify the results. Ron Paul won’t win because the current evil is afraid of him. Why vote? It’s as corrupt as the rest of the system. Only a revolution by the citizens can change things now.

      • Mark Are

        Agreed, and it is coming. Or else those 30,000,000,000 rounds of ammo have been purchased for nothing.

    • Mark Are

      It the book, 1984, George Orwell wrote of “New Speak”. Up was down, right was wrong, and truth was lies. Sounds like you must be the opposite of a “Truther” George. Sorry to say, but you make up the majority of the population. Dumbed down lemmings, running full speed to the cliff, shouting, My government is great! They would never lie to us and murder us. They are angels and saints. EFFING IDIOTS!

  • Tammy

    We don’t ask questions anymore because the answers are full of LIES & have been since before I was even born. 9/11/01 was an inside job. The Twin Towers were in such bad shape that the owner could not afford to bring the buildings up to code therefore they hired people who Americans know that hate us & want to destroy us anyway they can. But the most important reason was to destroy records that could implicate politicians & military generals in the most heinous crimes against the American people. Building 7 was NEVER in the path of destruction but it came down just like it was imploded. For those of you who don’t know building 7 housed all the records of the FBI, CIA & SEC. I believe in NO spoken or written words from anyone in government who sh–s all over my constitutional rights. They are all TREASONOUS B—-!!!

    • Carole H


      We may not have all the answers, but we know a snow job when we see one.

      Among those records were the answers to the trillions of dollars the Pentagon could not account for.

      People do not want to believe the worst cause that would mean they would have to do something about it. It is so much easier to shove their heads in the sand and forget about all the horrors that the truth means.

      We have lost our country, it is gone, (read the Patriot Act) what stands in it’s place is monstrous.

      Some say our last real president was JFK others say Nixon. Our form of government is the finest in the world but it has been corrupted by the people allowing our presidents and congress members to be bought. They no longer serve the people. That goes for democrats and republicans.

      I do not know how we get it back, maybe with strong 3rd and 4th parties. Both the Ds and the Rs are done for.

  • http://wakeupAmerica searchguy

    If a Saudi billionare sponsored the 9/11 event, why didn’t we go after him? Why, because the Saudi’s control this country and we allow it. 535 people in Congress on the take, time for change, term limits.
    Definitely the Bush’s knew about this, they are making billions every month on the two fake wars we are fighting.

    • Mark Are

      TWO? I guess you lost count. I count Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen and who knows how many more places USA made bullets are flying into the faces of children and women…

  • bernie

    we all know pretty much the truth,but, just like the assasination of kennedy there will be NOTHING done about it. that’s why they literally get away with murder ……………of thousands of people. over and over again…………

  • http://oboma ruffus

    to all the sheep that beleive that 911 was done by terrorist. you are the dumbist people in the usa and if ron paul dont get in to save us then you will soon see the true agenda behinde 911(a inside job) im so sick and tired of denires of the truth. oh and alex jones is the man that tells the truth so wen the dollar collapes and all you sheep that believes the stupid 911 story will be put in a fema camp and then you can kiss the ass’s of the nwo. i cant wait to d-day.cause the sheep will be slauterd. p.s. if i spelld anything wrong dont corect me cause i dont care. im safe from the nwo. and alot of the pro 911 story are sock puppets(FAKE) ONLY TRUE BLOODED AMERICANS WILL VOTE FOR RON PAUL

  • Rastas

    Take a look at the picture at the beginning of this article. Notice plume of dust at the top of thhe building. The dust (pulverised concrete) being thrown outward. Some parts of the outer wall were thrown outward up to 600 feet away. Look at pictures of surrounding buildings and you will see huge pieces imbedded in them. This can only happen due to an explosion. Now look at videos of building demolitions. You will see that the dust cloud is always at the bottom of the building. In the Twin Towers, there explosions within the 7 story basement of both buildings as reported by many witnesses and recorded on video. If the pancake theory as illistrated in Popular Mechanics was valid, the 47 core columns would have been left standing. I don’t know who did it. Draw your oun conclusions as to how, by whom and why this was done but, do the research before you make your decision.

    • BrotherPatriot

      Nice points, Rastas.

      Ty for your post.

      God Bless.

  • http://n/a John Beach

    As an unwilling participant in the ongoing “dumbing-down of America,” the sources of truthful information to which we have access are always suspect. In the recognition of its fundamental inability to resurrect the dead or prevent death, government has confronted an obstacle to the totality of its power which its various agencies and departments can not reconcile satisfactorily. This fact offers a satisfactory explanation for the inconsistencies in evidentiary facts relating not only to 9/11/01 but to the proliferation of information that reflects on the fundamental ability of government personnel, human beings, to do their jobs effectively. Penny-wise and pound-foolish is the same as the ounce of prevention which is worth the pound of cure.
    If the law precludes the garnering of a potential intelligence asset, the information that might be provided by that potential asset remains an untapped source. If the FBI agent is tracking the CIA agent in order to enforce a law preventing the CIA agent from obtaining information by illegal means concerning people who may use illegal means against both the FBI and the CIA, the logical thing to do is create a Department of Homeland Security and combine both operations into one so that the legality of both operations is mutually agreed upon and the credibility of the two government agencies is compromised from the standpoint of foreign governments. Why anyone would want to work for the government is anybody’s guess. The same may be said for the veracity of the information provided by the government. If “You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free,” is it not also true that Jesus said, “I am the way and the truth and the life,” and that He died because He was that? So then, the question is, “what difference does it (the truth) or He make? If we knew it, could we live with it? Then, the quintessential qualification for the transmission of information from and within the intelligence community, that of the “need to know,” comes into play. We already know that some are stupid, some don’t care, some are liars, some are cheats, some are immoral adulterers and for our own good, we would prefer not only that they were not, but also that we did not know it. It does give new meaning to the idea of an entity being its own worst enemy.

  • Aniko

    Judging by the spelling of most posters their illiteracy explains their paranoia.

    Mr. Livingston definitely has a problem with everything “organized”, including the medical establishment.

    What a pitiful bunch!

    I was exiled by a government where everything was controlled and manipulated, and this is not it! You people need to get out and experience more, to have something to compare what you have vs. what others on this planet have as far as openness in government affairs.

  • Lealand Sherman

    It is about money and control, this event allowed both to come to pass.
    The players may change but the game is the same.

  • Santiago

    there are very few people who care about concient existence. the vast majorities arround the globe remains living and dying superficially as hard workers building and manufacturing goods in a constant way of life of primitive material necesities. but that exceptional minority people who live for the truth and freedom and charity in their deepest senses, watch or hear and attend this “events” as challenging teachings from human nature to be even more wise, to study more, to develop higher standards and what ever the mass media businesses and authorities and military and religious institutions ends to manage the situations to the “public”, the familiar private spaces where the human dignity takes place in the evolution process will always be a sacred space for the holy and most desirable goods the human kind will always aspire to reach.

  • http://None James A. Farmer

    I have often wondered about 9/11 myself. Just like many Americans have wondered about Lyndon B.
    Johnson (LBJ) our worst ever president, and his involvement in JFK’s assassination of November 22,
    1963 (my 7th birthday). Not to mention the Vietnam War being escalated, and including the corruption
    of the LBJ White House the similar political deceit and corruption of the Earl Warren Supreme Court
    from the same era. Also, the 1968 Federal Gun Control Act (see The John Birch Society
    ( for 50 years now has attempted to expose the deceit, corruption, graft, conspiracy,
    and cover up hidden by the crooks and socialists in Washington, D.C, the establishment news media!

    • mark

      Yeah the John Birch Society! They are one of the most dedicated and patriotic group of mental cases this country has ever produced. Truman was a communist, Eisenhower was a communist. JFK was a communist. Bugs Bunny is a communist. On and on their mad ravings go! They are still around though. Proof positive that God has a special place in His heart for drunks and fools.

      • Jay

        Hey mark, I was told that God loves you too!

        • hicusdicus

          Jay, god does not love me because there is no god.

          • BrotherPatriot

            I’m not at all surprised by your statement, Sir.

            God Bless you anyway & may you find your way to the His Light.

          • Jay

            hic, God loves me because there is a God! It may be that you suffer from spiritual dyslexia!

  • Stunned at sunset

    I had viewed a video of a session in the Japanese Parliament where the Prime Minister was asking for approval to complete an investigation into “9/11″ because there appeared to be much evidence that it was an “inside job.” Three weeks later, I saw the video taken by a NYC News Crew in a helicopter that clearly and unmistakably showed an internal explosion in the second tower minutes BEFORE the second plane hit it. The crew was ordered away from the scene. Has anyone else in this posting thread seen these videos?

    • mark

      Yeah there’s an unimpeachable source for you. Video on the internet! What could be more reliable proof than that?! Good grief…

      • Jay

        What more proof could there be? How about you mark?

    • Carole H

      I have not seen those videos, but I read in many places Germany was doing an investigation on 9/11 thinking it was an inside job. Many other nations, France, Switzerland, Italy, Spain to name a few had questions about our governments explanation.

      • hicusdicus

        Carole, if you read it, then it must be so!

  • Tierra-Naomi Teneil

    Hi everyone,…the answers to your questions is that America has turned into a Dodo Bird Nation(You are the Dodo Birds). We the people as a whole, are vary stupid and ignorant,….and as much as I hate to admit this “TOO COWARDLY” anymore to be affective. I was a Chemistry student years ago who ended up in the Hotel/Rest. industry. In my circle of friends, I screamed conspiracy and got laughed at for even suggesting it was imposible for those towers to collapse like that by airliners crashing into them. Both Clinton and the Bush Administrations should be tried and hanged for treason. Now we are seeing a huge cover-up of Obama and his citizenship,…”HE IS NO CITIZEN, WAKE-UP”, but a Muslim who supports the best of Fascism and Commmunism, hates America and wants all of you dead,…..but first he is destroying our country, mocking us before killing us,….the next step is you,….if you read this then hear this,…if you are claiming to be an independent voter, then you are a fence sitting coward who has his head up his ass,…

    XOXO, Tierra-Naomi

  • Jim

    It’s weird that many Americans are completely opposed to a new 911 investigation. These same Americans would be held in contempt by their own forefathers for being so completely emasculated by propaganda that they can’t imagine they have enemies within their own government. The very fact that so many dual citizens are in positions of power in the United States government should astound any honest patriot. Their loyalty should be questioned at all times. “Do the orders still stand?” proves that one young soldier smelled a rat that day.

  • John Kort

    The way demolitions bring down buildings is from the bottom up NOT from the top down as Towers 1 & 2 did.

    A demolitions expert has indicated that it would have taken approx two months with crews working 24 hrs/ day to put all of the explosives/fuses/wires in place needed to bring down the twin towers.

    With all that activity required, they would have been noticed especially the miles and miles of wires needed!

    • tommyhsval

      Your 1st sentence hit the nail on the head. But wait, wasn’t the WTC the subject of another attack back in the 90s. With ongoing maintenance 24/7/365 by numerous contractors working independantly of each other, a conspiracy could have been hatched several years back and no one would have been to the wiser. All that would then be needed was an opportunity to put the plan in motion, which as stated in the article, ample time was provided, to start the ball rolling and accomplish the mission.

    • BrotherPatriot

      3 words…Remote Wireless Detonation.

      God Bless.

  • Jay

    9/11 Why
    More Important Than How

    If you look for the social-economic motive, you will not have to wait for history to tell you what was propaganda and what was truth.
– George Seldes

    9/11 research is a rabbit-hole of Byzantine complexity full of snares and delusions and peopled with false friends, lunatics, earnest lost souls and a few heroes. It’s not necessary to understand all the nuances of science and bureaucracy that allowed the government to get away with mass murder, blame it on swarthy foreigners (of whom many are eager accomplices) and use the incident as (in the words of the Cheney, Jeb Bush et al cabal, the Project for a New American Century) “a new Pearl Harbor.”

    At this critical juncture in human history, it’s only necessary to understand why they did it. The motive was Peak Oil, a disaster which will affect everyone on the planet, about which all must enlighten themselves and for which all must prepare. 
– Jenna Orkin, World Trade Center Environmental Organization
    “The tyranny of power is here.

    Current events tell us that those who killed Kennedy can only perpetuate their power by promoting social upheaval both at home and abroad. And that will lead not to revolution but to repression. I suggest to you, my friend, that the interests of those who killed Kennedy now transcend national boundaries and national priorities. No doubt we are dealing now with an international conspiracy. We must face that fact – and not waste any more time microanalyzing the evidence. That’s exactly what they want us to do.

    They have kept us busy for so long. And I will bet, buddy, that is what will happen to you. They’ll keep you very, very busy and, eventually, they’ll wear you down. The truth was easily ascertainable. I feel that my work on the assassination is an accomplishment which required little intelligence, minimal analytic ability, and no special talents. Rather, it reflected a willingness to bear witness to the truth irrespective of the consequences. In my responsibility to adhering to the truth as I saw it, I have been and will continue to be, oblivious to all the consequences of its expression.”
– Vincent Salandria, a veteran of the “JFK Truth Movement”

    Motivations for allowing 9/11 to happen:
    • Create pretext to seize Middle East oilfields 
(to control Earth’s oil supplies after Peak Oil)
    • enact “Homeland Security” police state

    The attacks were allowed to happen to facilitate an aggressive policy of world empire, particularly in the Middle East and Central Asian oil fields, which contain energy supplies that will become even more critical in the near future as oil extraction declines in the non-Islamic world. (It has been said that the last two barrels of oil will be Saudi and Iraqi.)

    The truth of 9/11 would cause major political shifts in our country, especially if many people dared to open up psychologically to the deceptions. It took decades for most people to understand that Lee Harvey Oswald did not shoot President Kennedy, that there was a conspiracy to keep JFK from scaling back the Cold War — but by then, domestic politics had shifted from civil rights and peace toward the so-called Reagan revolution. We don’t have four decades for people to understand the truths of 9/11.

    There is considerable circumstantial evidence that remote control software, not amateur flight school drop outs, was used to fly the plane into the mostly empty, under re-construction part of the Pentagon (and therefore, the World Trade Center as well), although this will probably never be proved 100% (just like the identities of the assassins of John F. Kennedy and Martin Luther King remain unknown – although the motivations of the government conspirators have been well documented).

    However, neither the corporate media conglomerates nor the foundation-funded “left alternative” media are interested in investigating what actually happened on 9/11, even though much of the “evidence” has been disproved or is extremely questionable at best.

    The official 9/11 Commission is an official coverup, even if they posture and pretend to be probing. Key facts about the Air Force failure to protect its own headquarters have been ignored, including the “wargames” that day that confused the military response to the hijackings. ALL of the commissioners have severe conflicts of interest. It’s a repeat of the “Warren Commission” that cover up the military / CIA murder of President John F. Kennedy.

    The chair of the official investigation of the “9/11 intelligence failure” is Thomas Kean, the former governor of New Jersey — who is on the board of Amerada Hess petroleum, which was invested in a Saudi consortium that was part of the scheme to build an oil pipeline across Afghanistan to connect the Caspian Sea / Central Asian oil and gas fields with Pakistan, India and deep water ports for export to the United States, China, Japan and Europe.

    The 9/11 coverup, the ongoing massacres in Iraq, the plans for world conquest and domestic fascism are interrelated, motivated by the empire’s knowledge that global oil extraction is peaking and that the “American way of life” isn’t likely to be maintainable much longer (and therefore the police state is being established because the majority of American citizens will be furious when they realize they have been duped).

    One bright spot: the phony computerized ballot machines being installed are proof that the Republicans are a minority party – since they wouldn’t be bothering to set up the theft of the 2004 election if they were confident of the outcome. However, if phony ballot machines are used to install John Kerry, who supports Bush’s oil wars, as the alleged alternative, this could legitimize the use of these machines in the public consciousness, since the fact a “Democrat” had been selected would make these ballot counters seem authentic.

    Control over the United States economy and its war machine is the greatest prize in human history – and spending a mere couple billion on new ballot machines to ensure its continued control by a tiny elite is a good investment, from their perspective.


    • Carole H

      Thank you Jay for all your info. Eventually we will get the answers we need, but by then so much time will have gone by that as usual people will say…..well, it was so long ago……And nothing will ever be done. It has already been 10 years.

      The world’s worst criminals seems to be immune to laws.

    • BrotherPatriot

      Always enjoy reading your posts & links, Jay.

      Keep up the good fight, brother.

      God Bless.

  • TIME

    Dear Mr. Livingsoton,

    Thanks for a great blog, saddly I fear that the vast amount of ignorant Americans will just never get it.

  • tommyhsval

    Great article and discussion! I’ve been saying this for several years now, and my typical response is “you’re nuts.” “There’s no way the government could, or would, do something like this.” I agree with the comments about Lyndon Johnson and Dick Cheney. I think both were instrumental in assassinating or attempting to assassinate a then sitting president.

    Just think about the freedoms we enjoyed here in the US prior to 9/11, and how much has been lost since that horrible day. And look at our big/bloated government that is bankrupting us. In 2010, we made a start by putting in the Tea Party, and other like minded conservatives, in the House. In 2012, we need to finish the job and do the same with the Senate. That may not solve all of the problems, but it will go a long ways in making a start.

    We need to get rid of, or drastrictly reduce, unneeded departments which do any good for any of us like DOE, DEA, HUD, Education, Labor and the others, especially Homeland Security. Maybe after eliminating these do nothing departments we can balance the budget even without a “Balanced Budget Amendment.”

  • Jay

    Controlling Your Opposition by Becoming It

    One lesson the shadow government has learned over the last 40 years is that the best way to defeat your opposition is to become your opposition, and like many of those phony socialist and anti-war groups on college campuses that suck rebellious student energy and dissipate it ineffectively, preventing the formation of a legitimate, effective opposition, so have they taken over a large part of the 9/11 Truth Movement itself, channeling new skeptics (and old) into endless debates around physical evidence and other ineffective actions.

    During my entire time within the movement, I never once named publicly any individuals or websites I thought were intentionally promoting disinformation, or leading us down useless avenues, nor will I now.

    (This is to protect myself from reprisals, to avoid the further disruption caused by the endless cycle of “snitch jacketing,” and because you can never really prove who is an agent and who is simply duped by the disinfo itself, much of which is easily believable on the surface.) But to prove that agents are among us, and that they have succeeded in taking over the bulk of the movement, one needs to go no further than compare the number of people who believe no plane hit the Pentagon with the number of people who know about the simultaneous wargames that were taking place on the morning of 9/11, and that prevented NORAD from intercepting the planes before they hit their targets.

    The former claim, widely believed, is perhaps the most successful and sophisticated disinformation campaign injected into the 9/11 Truth Movement. Supported by doctored video footage released by the Pentagon itself, it has almost single-handedly made the movement the laughing stock of Washington DC residents, hundreds of whom saw the plane hit the building, and thousands of whom have relatives or friends who did. And this was likely its intention, for it has successfully alienated from the movement precisely those DC professionals (senators, congressmen, federal judges, prosecutors, etc.) who hold enough power to effectively investigate and prosecute the crime. It has also been the primary wedge used to divide the movement from itself. While there is no space here to delve into the details of the “no plane at the Pentagon” hoax, I am forever indebted to Mark Robinowitz for having the stubborn persistency to keep challenging me back when I, too, believed the hoax. I am also immensely grateful to Jim Hoffman for his unparalleled analysis of the Pentagon physical evidence.

    On the other hand, the wargames comprise the very heart of the operation. On the morning of 9/11 itself, the FAA and NORAD were occupied in air defense drills simulating none other than multiple airline hijackings. These drills included fake blips inserted onto their radar screens, as well as remotely controlled aircraft in the air posing as passenger jets. Thus the perpetrators of 9/11 (those overseeing the wargames) were able to incapacitate the US air defense system without having to order a stand-down, allowing the operation to succeed. Because of the wargames, NORAD personnel did not know where to send the fighter jets when the supposedly “real” hijackings took place (likely also being flown by remote control). They acknowledged this during the 9/11 Commission hearings, with no follow-up questioning of course.

    Source of article:
    How many people have heard of the wargames compared to the “no plane at the Pentagon” theory? How many 9/11 Truth websites make reference to the wargames compared with the Pentagon hoax? And how many 9/11 truth activist organizations do you know emphasizing the wargames as opposed to all the various physical evidence arguments? The answer to these questions will tell you a lot about the state of the movement, and who really controls it. (Incidentally, the world should be forever indebted to Mike Ruppert, who put the pieces together about the wargames and presented them in their proper light, first on stage to a small audience in Toronto, which included myself, and then in full detail in his book, Crossing the Rubicon.)

    So we shouldn’t place all the blame upon those individuals who willfully ignore the truth of 9/11. Certainly there is an element of cowardice involved, a lack of integrity, and a selling out. We know, for example, that Democracy Now received hundreds of thousands of dollars from the Ford Foundation specifically to report on 9/11. But what would happen to Democracy Now if Amy Goodman chose integrity over money? The same thing, perhaps, that happened to Mike Ruppert? This is not to excuse Goodman’s willful ignorance, her selling out to the very government she professes to oppose. (I don’t listen to her show anymore, but I read From The Wilderness every day.) I simply want to recognize the immense power of that government, a power that can murder 3,000 people and get away with it, a power that can induce good activists to sell out, and better ones to flee the country. (Living to fight another day is not so condemnable, after all.) Herein lies an important factor in our failure.

  • Jay

    More About Disinformation

    One of the characteristics of 9/11 disinformation a lot of people have a hard time grasping is that much of it is designed specifically to convince people of US government complicity in 9/11. This might seem like a contradiction, until one understands that 9/11 disinfo is part of a broader system of mass manipulation where the opposing perspective plays an essential role. The basic idea is to control both sides of the debate, and frame it in a way that makes the opposing side ineffective (not necessarily unbelievable).

    In the end it doesn’t matter whether even a majority of the people believe the US government was complicit in 9/11 (this is already the case). What matters is only that the perpetrators can never successfully be prosecuted. Thus they pollute the body of evidence with red herrings and false lines of inquiry. If, in the process, they happen to cause some people to disbelieve the official story (as in the case with the “no plane at the Pentagon” hoax), all the better, because the end result is a weakening of any legal case that might be brought against them.
    There is an important quote by E. Martin Schotz from his book, History Will Not Absolve Us: Orwellian Control, Public Denial, and the Murder of President Kennedy. It is: “One of the primary means of immobilizing the American people politically today is to hold them in a state of confusion in which anything can be believed and nothing can be known.” Conspiracy theories, in other words, provide the perfect cover for real conspiracies. When anything can be believed because the available information is a convoluted mix of truth, falsehood and probability; when the actual truth itself is convoluted, involving deception, mystery and illusion; then one is ultimately left to their own emotions to decide. And emotions, of course, can be easily manipulated. What do you want to believe? After all, it’s up to you. You’ll never know the truth, or at least you’ll never be able to prove it in a court of law. Do you really want to be marginalized and ridiculed as a conspiracy theorist? You get the idea.

    • BrotherPatriot

      Once again, Ty Jay for your work.

      God Bless.

    • BrotherPatriot

      Indeed, Jay…these people are known to get agents of theirs to work both sides of a dispute.

      But we are catching on to them…!


      God Bless the good fight many of us here are trying to reveal.

  • JeffH

    911 Timeline – The Most Comprehensive Minute By Minute Timeline On 911
    by Mark R. Elsis,, September 9, 2002

    • BrotherPatriot

      Nice one, JeffH!

      Keep up the good fight!

      God Bless.

  • Almerin

    A lot of interesting comments here. And a lot of TRULY WACKO posts.

    It is interesting to see how a bunch of misinformed people can get together and reinforce one another in an escalating chain reaction of half truths and misinformation.

    Neither the laws of physics nor the principles of engineering were violated when burning jet fuel weakened steel beams way below their design strength. Nor were the laws of physics violated when the buildings fell straight down, rather than to one side. As for melted steel beneath the rubble — where would you expect it to wind up? On top? (please refer to the Law of Gravity.)

    I am as skeptical as the next person about the motives of most politicians. But I am also quite skeptical about the ability of the average citizen to make informed decisions — especially in complex technical areas. “A little learning is a dangerous thing …” Try getting a technical education before posting or blindly following those titillating conspiracy theorists.

    Some of you people remind me of sheep, blindly following each other in an ever widening circle of certainty. Be skeptical of easy answers, such as predominate here.

    (Posted by another experienced engineer …)

    • Jay

      You essentially said nothing!

      • mark

        No, he spoke the truth. People read nutso things on nutso websites that they accept as Gospel and spread around adding to the general ignorance and confusion. It’s a kind of chain-reaction paranoia and irrationality where people accept totally crazy concepts and purported events as absolute truth. FDR ordered the Pearl Harbor attack, the Templars rule the world, Barak Obama is a Muslim terrorist, Bush and Cheney engineered the 9/11 attacks…. On and on these crazy ideas spread and lots of people with very little knowledge who just give in to their very worst fears on emotion BELIEVE THEM. It is sad and pathetic and one of the reasons why our country is becoming a laughing stock.

        • JeffH

          mark, mark, mark…you’ve got it all bass ackwards…trust our government? Conspiracy theories? Be my guest…NOT!

        • Jay

          Spoken like a true schizophrenic mark!

          • mark

            Oh there are more: George Soros rules the world. The Rothchilds control all global banking. The Holocaust never happened. The U.S. never landed on the moon. The whole thing was filmed in a Hollywood studio. Any crazy irrational idea you can come up with: George W. Bush was a cannibal, Obama was a serial killer in his youth, Sarah Palin made a sex tape. Any cuckoo-clock lie like that just post it and in a matter of days you will have thousands of dupes who believe you because they read it on-line or saw it explained on some whack-job website. This is the wonder of the internet, it gives a forum to people who just used to mumble to themselves and strangers in bars back in the old days. Now THEY ALONE understand what is really going on. How powerful, malevolent forces are manipulating all global events to serve their own nefarious purposes. What a twelve-year-old view of the world. Mike Meyers captured its best with Doctor Evil in the Austin Power films. Everything is a conspiracy. It’s a wonderful, fascinating concept when you are twelve. Unfortunately some of us have grown up. But apparently not most contributors on this site.

          • Jay

            What strikes me as odd mark, is you insist on hanging out on a site that, as you say, is full of delusional people? Seems to me, that any reasonable person claiming that a place is infested with crazy people, would avoid that place. So what gives, my sick little friend? Were you promised a bonus?, A raise? But, as you stated before, you are not on a payroll. Therefore, the only reason you would continue participating is that you identify, and feel at home here! Well, we do not discriminate here mark. And, as you are living proof, we even welcome the mentally challenged, and the mentally deranged! Unfortunately, the only thing we don’t provide is medication. Sorry…

          • JeffH

            Jay, love it! :)

          • Cawmun Cents

            I am going to do something I didnt think I had in me.
            I agree with mark.
            Not on most of his posts,but with this one ….yep.

            Credibility is a strange thing.
            It is tough to come by these days.
            The credibility of a conspiracy theory as complex as the 9/11 disaster,has two fold conditional issues.
            First…my teenage daughter and her boyfriend believe in the conspiracy.
            That is a huge red flag for me.
            Secondly several shows on several different television stations have made the notion all but dead for me personally.Too many different angles of views and varieties of questions breed a sense of phony-ness,that I cannot attribute sanity to.
            I welcome a plausible reply,but since I made the previous staement I doubt there will be a credible answer.

            The old addage comes to mind…the third time I have posted it.
            “Things are not as they seem to be,nor are they otherwise.”-CC.

    • http://GOGGLE vaksal

      good sir,i wish to ask one question please,why were nano-themite carbon particles found in high amounts in dust around those buildings? those are man made,not found in jet fuel,but please look at 9/11 loose change a dvd,it has several professional scientist that explain and show what they found in their labratory that througly analized the dust particles,at the 9/11 site,why didnt anyone in the news or in the report that the government issued,never said one word of the finding of nano-themite particles,am i missing something? please explain,i am wondering,why? all the silence on that information.

    • Mark Are

      So what is it you engineer? I want to steer clear of it. Whatever IT is.

      • Almerin

        Mark Are: “IT” is the truth — or more specifically the cognitive dissonance you seem to have between what is true and what you seem to prefer.

  • Maragar

    A movement has started in Europe, “The Angry” it keeps growing and is not going away, now they came out in Israel. People who is tired to be a slave, to see how freedoms shrinking to the point of disappearing, to live in a system that maximizes benefits for the capital and leaves people in poverty. People who can not believe any more the lies,an not put up any more with the abuses, the lack of dignity,. People who refuse to become the slaves of the 21st century.
    It is up to us, we put our foot down, or we keep complaining and licking our wounds…

    • Mark Are

      Well, I for one am ANGRY, have been for over 20 years. It is the main reason I have been doing static contraction exercises for my right hand index finger.

  • Dreamtime

    And here’s another question no one is asking: Why was Bin Laden never listed on the FBI’s Top Ten Most Wanted list in relation to 9/11? Answer, because the FBI didn’t have enough evidence that he was involved.

  • JeffH

    “In the beginning of a change, the patriot is a scarce and brave man, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”
    Mark Twain

    “Fear not the path of truth, for the lack of people walking on it.”
    Robert Kennedy

  • SeekingUnderstanding

    ‘What if’ the average American middle class citizen would’ve believed Joe McCarthy? ‘Why didn’t’ the average American middle class citizen believe Joe McCarthy? Is Communism/Marxism really the disease? Or just one of many symptoms or viruses causing our socio-economic and political illness of freedom, liberty, prosperity and the ‘opportunities’ to be self reliant sovereign citizens?

    ‘What if’ political parties, races, religions, wealth classes, markets and economies and other demagoguery are nothing more than ‘tools’ used by very wealthy and powerful ‘private’ individuals/corporations that are shadowy ghost elitists with overt/covert agendas?

    Agendas designed to sway and motivate the fears and emotions of the average uneducated and indoctrinated masses with propaganda and rhetoric through trusted mind altering media outlets and elected faux and ostensible ‘representative’ government officials?

    ‘What if’ a very large, wealthy, educated, self reliant and ‘growing’ global middle class is actually the great ‘natural’ economic free market wealth redistribution catalyst that ‘was’ working to well for these modern day self proclaimed Pharaoh/demigods?

    The Founding Fathers experimental Constitution and their Representative Federal Republic form of government appears to work wonderfully well only if the middle class is engaged and ‘constantly’ vigilant in participating in and monitoring its government and elected officials.

    The events of 9/11 were a great leap for the demigods in cracking the foundational restrictions that have kept them from completely controlling this nations Constitutionally minded, free spirited and self reliant middle class.

    All of these happened AFTER 9/11 (keep in mind the WTC was a global financial and economic center):

    For reasons of ‘security’ the PATRIOT Act was passed; for emotionally ‘feels good’ social justice the Affordable health Care Act (Obama Care) was passed; for reasons of economic fairness and prosperity the Financial Reform Act was passed; for food safety the FDA Food Safety Modernization Act …on and on. One after another our freedom of travel, investments, property ownership, food choices and medical care are being stolen right in front of our eyes.

    We’re barely clinging to two rights that are constantly being targeted and if reformed enough will ultimately be the middle classes demise: Freedom of Speech (fairness doctrine, internet bills) and the Right to Bear Arms.

    Once the government silences us to organize and speak to one another en masse and takes our ability to protect ourselves from the tyranny of government, we’ll be subjects of a ruling class and sovereign citizens no more.

  • http://www// 4theUSA

    Ultra Conservative prety much says it all. Same as ultra progressive or liberal….. no answer could possibly be the complete answer nor the truth. And we all know there are skeletons to be found and that any accounting of anything only means that one or more and possibly a whole grave yard site, of skeletons were obviously missed. So all you Ultra Conservatives and Ultra progressives, liberal etc. Just give us your answer. That way we can all know exactly who, what, when, where, and the why of everything. I promise not to ask one question cause I know you are the one and the only source of the facts and the truth.

  • http://WWW.WIKW.COM Walter Flatt

    Folks, get real, I set and watched the second plane hit and the were turned up at a 45 degree angel. The speed of the plane drove the plane to the middle of the building where it exploded and this tore up the inter structure and the weight of the floors above folded the building inward and downward, that is why it did not fall side ways and the reason the second building fell first is simple, the second plane hit a lot lower that the first, thereby having a lot more weight above.

    I dont know who the supposed to be engineers were, but the do not know what they were talking, Jet fuel in a condensed place will create enough heat to soften steel, any steel and that will not hold the weight above.

    Get real and quit trying to make something out of nothing, I am a Democrat, but there is no way that the Jews, or America had anything to do with this.

    • mark

      You are absolutely right, sir. But your are also a lonely voice in the Wilderness on this cuckoo site. Still, I salute you.

      • Jay

        Actually, he’s one of the many gullible fools blathering in the wilderness. But you can go ahead and salute him if you want.

        • Almerin

          Jay — You are certainly no gullible fool. I think you are very clever and possess a good mind. And you are highly disciplined. I have read a number of your posts and concluded that you have done a great deal of reading and research (e.g., in re., The Protocols of the Elders of Zion; The Communist conspiracy to take over the Catholic Church, etc.)

          But you are no scholar and no intellectual. You are a parrot who learns from parrots who learn from gossips and bull artists. You mislead many lesser minds with your well-phrased fancy sounding misinformation.

          Broaden your horizons, young man, and try reading from some new sources. And consider that spreading false information causes a lot of disruption in the lives of innocent people. If you care.

          (Posted by a 74-year-old engineer who is a Roman Catholic Christian, a friend of Israel, and considers himself a right wing Conservative …)

          • Jay

            Well now Almerin, not really sure what to make of your post. It seems you give with one hand and take away with the other. A roman catholic Christian you say? What exactly does that mean? You follow the edicts of Constantine? No doubt you do, and If so, i can certainly understand why you take issue with my statements regarding the catholic church. Btw, you should not include the title Christian when referring to the catholic church. The catholic church was never Christian! Broaden your horizons old man, and try reading from some old sources, and realize, that having a membership in a religious, political, or academician organization, will never save you!

            (Posted by a 52 year-old redeemed by the blood of Jesus Christ)

          • Almerin

            Jay — Try reading “Mere Christianity” by C.S.Lewis (ISBN 0-02-086830-8.) That is a book that states what unifies all Christendom. Yes, the Roman Catholic Church is Christian, despite what some bigots may have told you. I examined many denominations (there are more than 30,000 Christian denominations in the world) before I converted to the Roman Catholic church.

            For those who want to understand, the “Catechism of the Catholic Church” will help dispel any doubts about its Christianity (ISBN 1-57455-110-8.) The reference is broad and deep (904 pages) and summarizes 2,000 years of study of the scriptures.

          • libertytrain

            Almerin, thanks for your suggestions. I do have a problem understanding the “My Jesus is better than your Jesus” crowd. I don’t understand why they try to fracture Christianity – Perhaps your suggestions will help…though I won’t count on it.

  • Scared To Death

    Do you want to know what is truly terrifying that nobody is willing to talk about? The only way to bring down the massive level of corruption in Washington and those in the shadows is for the citizens to unite and take up arms against our government like the colonialists did against England. The brave colonists left England for freedom and the cowardly England followed them over the ocean to take the colonist’s prize. England lost and the colonists won through a lot of blood. The new Americans took the freedom of the Native Americans through a lot of blood. Freedom will always have to be fought for. Our government is not going to hand your freedoms back to you without blood.

    It would be bloody, people would be too scared and divided, we would stand an ice cubes chance in hell against our own military. We would have a massive slaughter of private citizens in our own country. I would be willing to do it if I felt my countrymen were by my side. I would die for my freedom and the freedom of my family. This is the last country on earth where we have the freedoms that we have. We were supposed to be setting the example for the rest of the world. It’s now sliding the wrong way.

    Our voting system is corrupt. You watch what happens in 2012. Will the citizens be willing to take up arms then? Will we protest relentlessly at the capitols then? Will we be willing to storm our government then? Our forefathers would have been shooting by now.

    Thank you for posing all of the questions Mr. Livingston, but what good are the questions? The dark, corrupt people behind all of this don’t mind if we ask questions. Questions are no threat to them. The voting system is no threat to them.

    It boils down to this…will you sit in the closet of these chat rooms and complain and ask questions while this evil continues to actively take over and resolve to a destiny of submissive compliance or will you be willing to take up arms for your freedom? If you are willing, then who will organize you? Asking questions about 9/11, as obvious as it appears, will not save your freedom and neither will the 2012 election.

    Would you be willing to die for your freedom? Answer me that.

    • mark

      Oh, so it’s all hopeless? This conspiracy (most of which is all inside your head by the way) is so vast and all-encompassing that the American people have only one viable choice left: violent revolution against their own duly-elected government. There is a word for this sir. It is called treason. Tens of millions of more truly patriotic Americans than you will rise up and defeat you along with the help of our police, armed forces, and military reserves. I voted against George W. Bush twice but I would give my life to defend his government, our government, against any traitors who tried to use armed force to overturn an elected administration. I have a better suggestion for you, sir. If you do not like this government vote against it in the next election. If you do not believe in democratic elections anymore, leave the United States; there are lots of other fine countries where millions of Americans live today. But don’t incite loyal Americans to overthrow our Constitutional system through violence.

      • Scared To Death

        I’m a 5’2″ woman, sir. You are diluted if you think we have fair and legal elections, sir. I, of all people, do not WANT violence, Sir. However, history repeats itself and this evil is what it is boiling down to, NOT BY MY CHOICE. I have a better life to live.

        Look around the world. People fight for their freedom from oppressors. Look at the history of dictatorship and fascism. I am NOT a traitor. The traitors are in political office and run the world banks. The traitors are the Americans who continue to passively support the loss of our constitutional rights. I am talking about defending the sanctity of our constitution and our freedom, which tells us a well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed. The founding fathers, Jefferson, Franklin told us clearly to keep government small and about the dangers of government. Those willing to forfeit liberty for security, will have neither. Why are the people not protesting fervently? Why are the politicians not listening? Why are they not impeaching this illegal, imposter sitting in the White House? Why are we loosing our civil rights on a daily basis? Why are our 4th amendment rights violated by this Patriot Act? Why is the Obama Health Care Act not repealed?

        It is people like you who cower on naive idealism hoping that those who would do evil against you will do the right thing. I realize that this is frightening, and unimaginable, but read your history from the Roman era on. You read how dictators make their way in to power. While you are sitting in your government housing sucking your thumb, there will be those of us who will fight for your freedom because you are too afraid to fight for it yourself. Freedom cannot afford the luxury of your denial. The traitors are counting on people like you.

        “The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.” – Thomas Jefferson

        “The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.” – Thomas Jefferson

        “When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.” – Thomas Jefferson

        “God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty…. And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.” – Jefferson

        “The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions that I wish it to be always kept alive. It will often be exercised when wrong, but better so than not to be exercised at all.” – Jefferson

        “When wrongs are pressed because it is believed they will be borne, resistance becomes morality.” – Jefferson

        Think, Mark, think. For the love of this country, prove me wrong in 2012. The government, no, the world, needs to know that we will do what is necessary to preserve our constitution and our rights. The polls are rigged. Solve that problem.

        • mark

          Jefferson called for violent revolution against tyrranical monarchies , against governments that did not give representation to the people. We have a democratic republic here with many faults but one in which the people can vote for all manner of elective offices, they can conduct recall elections, and voter referendums, they can protest and support the reform candidates of their choice (like Ron Paul). But all of these require electoral majorities. I often do not like the people who the majority votes into office. I certainly did not like George W. Bush and his crew as you no doubt do not care for the Obama adminstration. But Bush won the elections so I had to grin and bear it for eight years. As you may very well have to grin and bear it for eight years of Obama. But NEVER did I consider the use of violence to overturn Bush’s constitutional elections. I knew I would get an opportunity after he served first one and then a second term to elect someone more to my liking. You will get that opportunity next November or in November of 2016 (if Obama is reelected, the odds don’t look too good for that right now). This is how life works in a democratic republic. We don’t call for overthrowing a Constitutional government. We call for reform and change through elections. There are and were lots of protests against George W. Bush and Barak Obama. Lots of anger and demonstrations. In the elections of 2006 and 2010 the people spoke very clearly and constrained the power of both of these presidents by defeating them soundly in Congressional elections. Some of the things you are angriest about were done by Bush not Obama. Like the 2001 Patriot Act and the massive expansion of Medicare under the 2004 medical presciption bill. Did you call for armed revolt against George W. Bush because of his policies? I think not. And by the way for all their considerable faults, neither Obama nor Bush have shut down a single newspaper, closed a single TV or radio station, outlawed a single political party, taken away a single gun, cancelled a single election, or closed down a single church, synagogue, or mosque. Both preserved all of our basic Constitutional rights (though I agree with you the Patriot Act should be and will be repealed or at least curtailed). As for Obamacare, the Supreme Court may very well overturn it in its next session, or a future Republican president and Republican Congress may very well repeal it – but not a bunch of criminals and traitors with M-16s shooting at the Oval Office from the White House lawn. This is not how we operate in America. We are not Honduras – where every time someone doesn’t like an election’s outcome they overthrow the government by force. Life in a democratic republic is often very frustrating when your political opponents win. But you always get the right of redress in the next election. This country and its system is far, far stronger than any individual president. The U.S. has survived many bad presidents and it will survive long after Obama is either defeated or retired. But it very well may not survive if he were overthrown. Think of the horrendous precedent such an event would set. It would of course give future license to any liberal/leftist grouping to overthrow through force an elected conservative president. But this will never take place. Because we live in America.

          • Jay

            Our President, Barack Obama, was a member of a radical communist party, called the Illinois New Party and/or the Chicago New Party, which has Chicago Mob and Black Communist Activist roots.

            He admits receiving Marxist training (Marxism is the ideology of using law as a means of oppression and control). Obama has friends whose terrorist organization bombed the US Capital, the Pentagon and the State Department, killed policemen and plans to kill 25 million people.

            These people may be agents of Cuba or Russia. Obama has surrounded himself with socialists-communists of similar backgrounds and has built and is building a shadow government of communists-socialists-progressives-radicals to bypass Congressional and Citizen control. As elected leader of our country, he regularly meets with large labor unions led by known communists.

            He worked for an international communist organization, ACORN, now under investigation by the FBI and others. As a marxist-trained socialist and apparent narcissist, Obama’s primary goals are to eliminate capitalism and replace it with a socialist-marxist-communist program, perhaps under the direction of the Soviet Union who has been our enemy for over 50 years.

            Obama’s policies are leaving our nation open to attack and infiltration by communists and terrorists of dictator countries and his initiatives will collapse the US financial system as it forces us to obtain huge financial loans from other countries like communist China. Obama made the Top Ten List of Corrupt Politicians in 2007, 2008, 2009 and 2010, with “Dishonorable Mention” on the 2006 List. Without any doubt, Obama is a Communist.

          • Cawmun Cents

            This is where we part company dear mark.
            I do not think that implied debt is a way to be the kind of liberty loving,gun toting,Americans which the founders spoke so highly of.
            In fact I believe that under the circuumstances which we now find ourselves in,they would call us cowards.
            Tyranny is strange in that it comes in many forms.The kind the founders experienced and the kind we experience today.
            Just because you have actual historical reference to see their revolutionary based quandry,does not mean that future generations will not see our plight as equally plausible.
            History often confounds the people experiencing it,like Tojo and Hitler confounded the people who they held power over.
            To believe for one moment that you are incapable of being duped as were the masses of historical mention is well…..arrogant to say the least.
            It is not the duping that is hard to detect,but the finesse of those perpetrating it which defies logic.How is always more difficult to imagine than what or why.
            “If you give the people exactly what they want,they’ll kill themselves with it.”-Marilyn Manson
            We have been given dramatic license for all to long,via media stimulation and manipulation.
            This poses a distinct obstacle to overcome for all but the very most astute learners.The Hollywood-ization of the nation has brought forth conditions which are difficult to deny.An expectation of entertainment is part of the American experience now….reality tv,in real life.If it is structured well enough,even the best will be fooled into being entertained by Hollywood moguls.The gubment has brought that technique into the political arena as well.
            Manufacturing isnt dead in this nation.
            It is alive and well in the media and political circles.
            “When you’ve got them by the balls,their hearts and minds will follow.”-G. Gordon Liddy
            Follow your testicles mark.Unless that is…you dont mind seeing them in a jar on the mantle of the next political powermonger.
            Yes a look at the type of manufacturing going on will reveal the flaw in your detector.Money,power,fact,law,and toys for the good girls and boys.
            We live in a manufactured world.
            The kind that breeds tyranny on its basest levels.
            See it,learn it,live it.

        • BrotherPatriot

          Love your spirit, Scared to Death and your very clear, elloquent post.

          Please do not feel alone. Many, many patriots are alive & well. We are learning, slowly perhaps…but as a Nation we are waking up, spreading the word and we will stand ready if it indeed comes to blows. Many in our Military are also loyal patriots of America as are police officers throughout this great nation. We believe strongly that the Constitution is the highest law in the land.

          As a member of Oath Keepers, I can say with sincerity, the fight is not over and many of us are ready for it to begin if it must. However, we first are trying to exhaust all legal means available and to help educate and make aware the common citizen to the threat that is slowly being revealed to the public.

          I also am scared to death for the future of my children but I have great hope in God and a belief that good shall triumph in the end. Though we may face dark times & difficulties in the years ahead, men & women such as myself will rise to the occassion & bring down this evil cabal that has done so much damage to our great nation and the world in general.

          So please find some solace in knowing that you do not stand alone. We are slowly revealing who this enemy is and though it has many names & organizations it still is the same enemy with the same Agenda.

          I name this enemy as the New World Order who consists of the banking cartels/”elite” families (Rothschilds, Rockerfellers, Morgans, Bush’s, etc.) and the secret international societies such the deep level Mason’s/Illuminati/royal familes of Europe and all their controlled, variously named organizations such as the UN/CFR/Round Table/and Trilateral Commission, for example. We are zeroing in on them and one day they will pay for their crimes against humanity. Have faith and never give into their lies & deceit. Justice will one day come those of us left alive & the fallen as well.

          God Bless.

          • Kate8

            BroPat – Think about the symbolism of Yeshua arriving in a blaze of light, with a sword coming out of his mouth.

            This is the sword of TRUTH! He defeats the enemy with TRUTH.

            It is our best weapon. That is why it is so important to discover it and share it.

          • Scared To Death

            Thank you.

      • Mark Are


  • http://none Mary F. Stump

    I remember the reported terrorists’ passports in plastic bags as evidence, shown on TV and wondered aloud why/how did that happen since the pilots were reduced to dust…How did their red bandannas (reportedly from their heads) get retrived albeit dirty?)

    The idea that buildings pancaked in this fashion by fire from planes sure had the looks of controlled demolition.
    Thanks Mr. Livingston for sharing your wisdom.

  • Big M

    I have no questions, but I do have some facts that can easily be documented by anybody who cares to look into them. This deals with the cornerstone of the story, the 266 “passengers” and the “planes.”

    1) Neither the criminals in DC, the security companies, the airports nor the airlines have ever produced one frame of date- and time-stamped video showing any of these people boarding the “planes.” The FBI stupidly claimed that 9 of the “hijackers” went through secondary security, but they still can’t produce video of any of them.

    2) No corpses of ANY of the alleged passengers have ever been recovered from any of the “crash” sites. No remains have ever been turned over to any alleged relatives. There have never been any funeral arrangements for any of them.

    3) A woman who still lives in NYC spent 5 years searching for relatives of 64 people on the “passenger list” for “Flight 175.” Even after hiring detectives, she never found anybody.

    4) Willie Brown, the mayor of SF at the time, went to SF International Airport with some clergy to console and update any family, friends or relatives of the “passengers” on “Flight 93.” They left after about 4 hours, because NOBODY SHOWED UP.

    5) Neither one of the two airlines has ever filed loss claims over any of those flights. In fact, Gerard Holmgren, one of the most respected of 9/11 researchers, discovered in 2004 that the two American flights weren’t even scheduled to fly on that date. And the FAA had the tail numbers of the two United flights listed as “valid” in their database, meaning that the planes were still in service, until September 28, 2005. They only de-registered the tail numbers after two 9/11 researchers were banging on them and demanding an explanation for why they still had the planes listed in their database, 4 years after both the airline and the criminals in DC had claimed that they were destroyed in a terrorist attack.

    In case you haven’t figured it out by now, there were no commercial airliners involved. The “planes” at the WTC were special effects, placed in the videos after pre-planted explosives went off inside the towers. If anybody out there has a working knowledge of physics, then watch the video of “Flight 175″ going into WTC2 and tell me how a real plane could possibly do what that one does. My guess is that the video editor was a whistleblower who was trying to alert people to the fakery, because they did a pretty piss-poor job with that one.

    Oh, and there were no passengers or “hijackers” either.

    • mark

      Wow, you take the cake on this one, Big M. You are truly the King of Cuckoo Land!

      • Jay

        I see you’re working hard mark, and this is good. At the rate you’re going no doubt you will get your raise, and possibly even a bonus! May you live forever!

        • BrotherPatriot

          Nice quote from 300, Jay!

          God Bless & keep up the good work!

      • Big M

        Gosh, Mark, it’s nice to see that you’re a buffoon who can only engage in ad hominem attacks. Why don’t you provide some evidence for the official “conspiracy theory,” eh? If I’m cuckoo, then provide facts that refute what I wrote, OK? What’s next, Mark? I know you are, but what am I?

  • Jack

    This article asks some very important questions that certainly do not sound as though they were asked by some conspiracy theorist, to me they seem legitimate inquiries about certain unusual circumstances that took place on 9/11. Who do we go to so we can get the proper explanation of the facts, I would not rely on some government group of
    politicians on a committee to put forth a truthful and thoughtful investigation.
    I have for some time now been toying with the thought what the writer of this article has put out there, which is that the public has been told all they are going to be told about why 9/11 came to happen amidst all the supposedly good security agencies that were supposed to
    have a handle on terrorist activities.
    Ever since this president Obama has taken over he has committed 6 or 7
    violations of the Constitution that have reached the serious consideration of bringing impeachment charges against him. Obama has
    broken the law so many times that any other man would have already been removed from office, yet only one or two of our elected officials
    have stepped forward and questioned why he still has not been held
    accountable for his actions. I would like someone to explain to me in
    a intelligent way why Obama continually condemns those that question
    what his motives are. Questions like why does he have different social security numbers, why there are not records of his days in
    college and his activities in Chicago, not to mention the fact that
    maybe he isn’t a legal American citizen, and we are all being duped.
    There are just too many unanswered question concerning the Justice dept. and many other aspects of this presidency that must be addressed. Every concerned American citizen that loves this country must demand a independent investigation without political involvement
    by people that take an oath to uphold the laws of the land, then let the chips fall where they may.

    • Scared To Death


      How do we organize and demand impeachment where our Congress will not? Where are the petitions and the rallys? I’ll sign and I’ll attend. For that matter, how do we get a whole new Congress?

      I decided against Obama while watching him in debate against Hillary Clinton (I didn’t vote for Hillary either). I had no idea what his party affiliation was, however, I clearly saw his strong narcissistic traits. Many politicians are run of the mill narcissists and not worth much good to anyone, however, Obama was over the top.

      I feel that the public needs to be educated on how to identify Narcissistic Personality Disorder so they don’t vote these people in to be our leaders. But then again, our population might be so sadistic that they would knowingly vote in someone with NPD (e.g., Arnold Schwarzenegger). Read Dr. Sam Vaknin’s analysis of Obama.

      • Jack

        Your right there are a lot of uninformed American who never want to get involved when your dealing with a president that displays psychotic tendencies. Every time you post on a web-site you must post
        all the illegal things Obama is doing that are against the Constitution. This is a unlawful administration and we must fight fire with fire, keep posting and asking questions of your representatives in the house and senate on a daily that’s what I do,
        eventually they may finally get the message, when their lucrative cushy jobs are threatened then you will see action.
        Obama must not win re-election or this country may never recover from the harm he has done. Good Luck with your posts.

  • http://GOGGLE vaksal

    to:bob livingston,i totaly agree with you the american republic has been hyjacked,ive looked at total picture of these disaters and it doesnt merit as far as those planes causing those buildings to collaspe they fell too perfectly ,bob just recently i watched 9/11 loose change,that has made me very spooked of what to believe,bob i am 65yrs of age and can truly say,you just cant trust any one in the information industry ,bob i read a lot of what you write,and i agree with you 90percent of the time,thanks again,for your honest veiwpoints,keep up the great information.thanks again.

  • Dan

    Dear Mr. Livingstone:

    A wonderful, thought-provoking blog. You might also want to add “What about the five Israelis who were seen high-fiving and celebrating in Liberty Park (just across the Hudson from lower Manhattan) right after the twin towers went down.

    Dan Fox

  • Daniel C.

    The jet fuel was not required to be hot enough to melt steel, just hot enough to change its structure i.e. soft
    enough to the point it could not hold the weight for which it was designed. Traces of thermite (though interesting/suspect)
    at the bottom had nothing to do with the structural failure at the upper floors. If you watch the film of the buildings collapsing,
    you will notice that the upper part of the structure list to one side several degrees. It is most evedent on the tower
    with the spire. The Towers collapse from their strike-point down. But, a conscientious and concerned citizen turned over
    a fully intact fuel soaked Passport……Hmmm.

    What I found very intriguing with this story was the Pentagon. Regardless of how horrific an airplane crash
    is (on land) nearly always, parts recovered, or at least accounted, is the landing gear i.e. landing gear was even found
    at the Towers. No 757 landing gear in that relatively confined area? An A3 turbofan was recovered. Was there
    any A3 landing gear accounted on the recovery parts list….. If a turbofan was recovered, I would find it extremely
    suspect if landing gear was not included, and more so with the 757 gear. It may be that the Pentagon could be the
    biggest story………

  • Libertarian58

    One of the best ways to determine the likely truth of something like this is to see who benefited by it. For ten years now, the entire US military has been engaged in all out war, with no end in sight, against all of ISRAEL’S enemies. The state of Israel was created by UN “decree” in 1948. The UN was created by a Cabal of International Bankers who’s favorite practices involve counterfeiting and usury, and the Islamic countries, do not approve of counterfeiting and usury as part of their religion. You add it up. It’s all about global dominance by the international banking cartels with the intent of imposing their counterfeit and usury on the entire world. The tail wags the dog.

  • BrotherPatriot

    The more I read your site the more & more I become proud of you Mr. Livingston.

    Keep up the good fight & your questions are all questions that every Patriot of America should be asking.

    Of course…if you look at the world through the lense that I do (many of you know what I’m referring to…that fact that our country has been hijacked over 100 years ago by the banking cartel/elite familes within the secret society that they operate from) then all of this makes sense and the questions become self answering.

    Keep up the good work, Sir…! I salute you!

    God Bless & Yol Bolsun.

  • Word

    Let’s all ask these questions loud and often so George Bush and the elites can hear us all. This was a scam on humanity and we all must demand the truth and punish the criminals in Government and Banking who pulled this off. Close the CIA, Arrest all the Bush’s and Clinton’s and Obama for war crimes. End the Federal Reserve and lock up all those corporate and media criminals.

    • BrotherPatriot

      Whoo Yah!

  • tridntru

    Conspiracy? Get a life. Bob hit a hot button.

    • Jay

      Get a brain tridntru!

  • Jay

    Answers in Absolute for ‘Why 9/11?’: Why ‘some’ Still Question, Seek Answer(s) & Accountability by Sibel Edmonds
    Friday, 12. August 2011

    For ‘some’ reason I have been receiving more than a few ‘eye-rolling’ responses when I mention our theme for the month leading up to September 11- the tenth year.

    You and I know where the conscious but mostly subconscious eye-rolling and in some cases eye-aversion reactions come from. A very few bold ones are courageous enough to actually put this reaction into words. They ask ‘why can’t some people just let it go?’ They comment, ‘enough already with this 9/11 subject!’

    Many of these same people are actually very outspoken and active in combating civil liberties related issues and abuses such as NSA Illegal Domestic Wiretapping, Rendition and Torture, FBI National Security Letters, TSA’s outrageous abuses …and the long list goes on.

    However, for ‘some’ reason they see ‘this 9/11 thing’ as a pointless nuisance, and wonder why some people don’t give up and keep bringing ‘it’ up. After all, the majority of these people consider 9/11 as ‘case closed,’ and a few regard it as a ‘cold case.’

    I am not going to get into the ‘some’ reasons for this post; although, I have plenty to say on the subject. Instead, for the purpose of this piece, and for those audiences, I am going to answer the ‘whys.’ Why ‘some’ still question and seek answer(s) and accountability on 9/11.

    Why 9/11? Because ‘they’ claim that’s what gives them the right to override our Constitution and all other laws guaranteeing our liberties and privacy.

    Why 9/11? Because that’s what ‘they’ claim as justification for every one of our many wars.

    Why 9/11? Because that’s what ‘they’ say is the reason for us having to be violated, humiliated, groped and fondled for the ‘privilege’ of travel.

    Why 9/11? Because that’s when ‘they’ began the illegal eavesdropping of all our communications.

    Why 9/11? Because that’s how ‘they’ legitimize excessive secrecy.

    Why 9/11? Because that’s the excuse ‘they’ use to implement torture and severe human right violations and escape all liabilities.

    Why 9/11? Because that’s the rationalization ‘they’ use to expand ‘their’ size and power.

    Why 9/11? Because ‘they’ have successfully made it a means to justify many unjustifiable ends.

    Why 9/11? Because that holds answers to many questions ‘they’ don’t want you to ask.

    Why 9/11? Because that’s the question ‘they’ don’t want ever answered.

    Why 9/11? Because maybe that is what ‘they’ really wanted.

    Why 9/11? Because ‘they’ should not get away with it.

    • BrotherPatriot


    • mark

      You’re right, Bush and Cheney have long been the ULTIMATE ALINSKYITES. “Never let a crisis go to waste,” Rove stated again and again in the Oval Office. And brother, they didn’t! They and the conservative Republicans are at last revealed as the ultimate socialists! They’ve long been dedicated to turning the United States into a giant Marxist Prison like most conservatives always want to with their unAmerican socialist agenda. And they have largely succeeded. Only Obama can save us from the Republican socialist agenda!!!…. Oh, I’m sorry, I must be on the wrong website. Jeez…

      • Jay

        Interesting how you employ religious terminology in relation to obama. Yes, I think obama will, save us. He will save us as an anchor will save one from drowning!

  • Joan

    I am sick to my stomach without reading much of the article or responses. I am all too aware of this information. I wish I did not see the great possibility of truth about our leaders, however, it is hard to ignore. When you check out the Bilderbergers and find so many names of prominent people involved in the destruction of our country and many countries of the world for the takeover,it makes you want to come out swinging and take our country back. Obama has been chosen to speed things up, apparently, because all of this created confusion is just a smokescreen so we do not see what is happening. What are the Czars doing? Are Michelle’s Aid, Obama’s additional Czars to get things done faster. Who all is in on this U.S.takeover? Must be they are not sure that Obama can get re-elected sine they have now inserted bilderberger Rick Perry! Please do a search and find out for yourself as many names as you can,and wonder as I do, just who can I trust? The Tea Party has to get involved in all of this, along with exposing Obama as the Bilderberger he is and Bush as the Bilderberger President he was. True that Kennedy was the last real President and look what happened to him, Bobby, and now I wonder about Jack, Jr’s death? Could it be he just like Jackie, knew too much? This all just gets deeper and deeper.

    • mark

      Right, it’s a lost cause: we’re all doomed. They’ve won. (Thank God!)

      • Jay

        Wrong, its not a lost cause, we are not doomed, and they will never win! Chao chao!

  • FreedomFighter

    Ever wonder who’s is in control of the evil in the world today, want to know his name?

    Rolling Stones Sympathy For The Devil Lyrics

    Please allow me to introduce myself
    I’m a man of wealth and taste
    I’ve been around for a long, long year
    Stole many a mans soul and faith
    And I was round when jesus christ
    Had his moment of doubt and pain
    Made damn sure that pilate
    Washed his hands and sealed his fate
    Pleased to meet you
    Hope you guess my name
    But what’s puzzling you
    Is the nature of my game
    I stuck around st. petersburg
    When I saw it was a time for a change
    Killed the czar and his ministers
    Anastasia screamed in vain
    I rode a tank
    Held a generals rank
    When the blitzkrieg raged
    And the bodies stank
    Pleased to meet you
    Hope you guess my name, oh yeah
    Ah, what’s puzzling you
    Is the nature of my game, oh yeah
    I watched with glee
    While your kings and queens
    Fought for ten decades
    For the gods they made
    I shouted out,
    Who killed the kennedys?
    When after all
    It was you and me
    Let me please introduce myself
    I’m a man of wealth and taste
    And I laid traps for troubadours
    Who get killed before they reached bombay
    Pleased to meet you
    Hope you guessed my name, oh yeah
    But what’s puzzling you
    Is the nature of my game, oh yeah, get down, baby
    Pleased to meet you
    Hope you guessed my name, oh yeah
    But what’s confusing you
    Is just the nature of my game
    Just as every cop is a criminal
    And all the sinners saints
    As heads is tails
    Just call me lucifer
    Cause I’m in need of some restraint
    So if you meet me
    Have some courtesy
    Have some sympathy, and some taste
    Use all your well-learned politesse
    Or I’ll lay your soul to waste, um yeah
    Pleased to meet you
    Hope you guessed my name, um yeah
    But what’s puzzling you
    Is the nature of my game, um mean it, get down
    Woo, who
    Oh yeah, get on down
    Oh yeah
    Oh yeah!
    Tell me baby, what’s my name
    Tell me honey, can ya guess my name
    Tell me baby, what’s my name
    I tell you one time, you’re to blame
    Ooo, who
    Ooo, who
    Ooo, who
    Ooo, who, who
    Ooo, who, who
    Ooo, who, who
    Ooo, who, who
    Oh, yeah
    What’s my name
    Tell me, baby, what’s my name
    Tell me, sweetie, what’s my name
    Ooo, who, who
    Ooo, who, who
    Ooo, who, who
    Ooo, who, who
    Ooo, who, who
    Ooo, who, who
    Ooo, who, who
    Oh, yeah

    Full effect here:

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

    • Jay

      Of that, there can be no doubt, FF!!! He had better invest in a helmet, as his head is about to be crushed!

      “Cursed are you above all livestock
      and all wild animals!
      You will crawl on your belly
      and you will eat dust
      all the days of your life.
      15 And I will put enmity
      between you and the woman,
      and between your offspring[a] and hers;
      he will crush[b] your head,
      and you will strike his heel.”

  • Jay

    Senior Military, Intelligence, Law Enforcement, 
and Government Officials Question 
the 9/11 Commission Report

    Many well known and respected senior U.S. military officers, intelligence services and law enforcement veterans, and government officials have expressed significant criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report or have made public statements that contradict the Report.  Several even allege government complicity in the terrible acts of 9/11.  

    Listed below are statements by more than 220 of these senior officials. Their collective voices give credibility to the claim that the 9/11 Commission Report is tragically flawed. These individuals cannot be simply dismissed as irresponsible believers in some 9/11 conspiracy theory. Their sincere concern, backed by their decades of service to their country, demonstrate that criticism of the Report is not irresponsible, illogical, nor disloyal, per se. In fact, it can be just the opposite.

  • Joan

    It’s really important the search bilderberg Organization and find out just who we are up against. foreign and U.S. people you would never imagine are a part of it. Rupert Murdoch is a Bilderberger, so just why is he appearing to be for us? I could go on and on but, please just find out for yourselves who attends the meetings. They meet once a year in secret, last year was Spain, I think this year the meeting was in July, Angela Merkel-Germany,Bill Gates, Robert Gates, Secretary of Defense(some are saying this is act of treason). Mario Barghezio, Italian Politician, member of the Northern League and member of the European Parliment Committee on Civil Liberties Justice and Home Affairs, WAS BADLY BEATEN, when he attempted to enter the meeting, by Bilderberg Security. THIS WAS NOT REPORTED IN THE U.S. I am now suspicious of all at Fox because I am not sure who agrees with Murdoch.

  • rob

    The wife of the solicitor general was on the plane that hit the pentagon. She was on the phone when it hit. That blows the theory of a military plane hiting the pentagon so the rest of this tinfoil hat article is probably crap to.

    • Big M

      Rob, it’s only been 10 years now. And you still believe that “Flight 77″ hit the Pentagon? Did your parents have any children who lived?

      It’s one thing to be born ignorant, but you have to work pretty hard to remain stupid for the rest of your life.

      • Don B

        Lol, I’m going to use that line

  • http://yahoo Jim Sherwood

    Bob Livingston,
    The WTC buildings were hit by 2 very large airliners,fully loaded with VIO, and People, and flew,at full speed into a direct pattern that brought them,on a path to hit ‘point-on’ the two buildings.There is evidence to say that the Al–Qaueda was trying to hit ‘low’ so as to use the buildings own weight to ‘bring them down’!The first hit was too high and the second hit was very low,hence the added weight of the tower on itself to propel the downward collapse,and thus that south tower came down first.The architectural design was one as to allow a ‘pancake’ should such a terrible thing happen.The ‘explosions’ thing were statements made by firemen(9/11 comm.) when the floors were hitting each other,they averred,”it sounded like explosions as they hit each other”.How do I know Bob? I called those mentioned in the 9/11 Comm. report and asked them,one I visited.In another scenario I asked a goood friend of mine to ask,at a Fire Chiefs dinner, if there were any Chiefs that believed that there were explosions or anything out of thee ordinary that supports such theories as opposed to what is all too *obvious.He did, and callled me a couple of days later, and said that he could not find any chief to even entertain such nonsense…Now to my asterisk and what is all too obvious.These 2 jetliners hit these towers so hard that they nearly cut them in half at that moment.With an understanding of the construction of these towers, it is all too obvious that it would provide for massive voids to allow for the ‘pouring’ of fuel and fire to transmit all over the place,and it DID!(keep this in mind,I will refer back to it later) The fuel poured down the stairs,the elevator shafts,the outer skin void by the windows,and it also IGNITED more than several floors in a virtual fireball that was visible to all of the WORLD!The magnesium was found by Prof. Jones in the area of the south west corner where the underground parking garages were.He found it in one woman’s apt.(above said area) and had it examined.He told me,by phone, it was thermite,ie:Magnesium.I told him that the parking garages were there and,and he said,’yeah so?’Well,I said, “Dr.Jones, Cars have magnesium engines and Transmissions and the like,and in that corner of the tub is where the fires did indeed burn for weeks and at subterranean levels”, ie:: the garages were influencing the fires ‘half life’,as magnesium burns voraciously….And that area is where the ‘slag’ was! (and he sent the mag. out of this country for further analysis for a support of his view.He told me this)WHAT?
    OK,we have seen 2 jets slam the buildings and we see a ‘my eyes’ own evidence scenario’ of what occured,with normal type fire scenarios and ’cause and affects’ stuff,and we see a original architect that designed the buildings to collapse,not fall over as that area of Manhattan is and could have a devastating loss of life if just such an incident were to occur…It worked!
    Now on to building seven,7. There were, just moments before, 2×110 story towers next to building 7 that collapsed.And to add to that they provided a burning subterranean cauldron that had just been ‘accordioned’ ie:pushed/(as I referred to up above in this letter),into a very dangerous area.That area is under building 7, and it is the storage area for all the fuel oil tanks for the ENTIRE complex.As if that is not bad enough,building 7 was the host of OEM,CIA,FBI,NYPD,and all guns,ammo,and any and all such items seized in the NYC area for later use in court cases…So we have a building that is and has been severely shaken, and is now under attack by a raging subterranean thick black fuel oil fire,(hot,very hot)the two cutting it”s very legs out from under it.AND IT DID…
    BOB,I have now seen first hand the spinning of these conspiracy theorists and their utter refusal to listen to any evidence that goes contrary to their trumped up ,half baked ‘story’,so I will not even try any further here with you, as I might be barking at the moon.But I am quite certain of one thing and that is that these buildings came down because of ‘Trauma’ to them by these aircraft,not George Bush!And they performed just as the design specs. said they would by the original designers…And if you do not believe me think of this.Just think, for some minutes, of how hard all this conspiracy stuff would be to PULL-OFF.It would be so hard and would come with so many variables that it would be dumb and dumberer to even think of trying to do!
    Jim Sherwood
    NYC Fire Officer ret’d
    Carmel,NY 10512
    * Bob, There is so much info that you omit it is too much to address…!

    • CherokeeDan

      Finally, a voice of sanity on this site. The answers to most all of the questions asked by Livingston are available on several different websites like 9/11 Conspiracy Theories – Debunking the Myths but, as you said, these people aren’t interested in the truth, they want to BELIEVE the conspiracy and, when presented with facts that disprove their belief, they simply say “See, that just proves how clever the conspirators are”; the facts become part of the conspiracy. Anyone who believes that our government–flawed as it is–attacked itself on 9/11 and is thus equivalent to Nazi Germany has no credibility what so ever and richly deserves the label “kook”. For some of these people, Bush Derangement Syndrome will never abate.

      • mark

        You said it, chief. I’ve never witnessed such a giant collection of America-haters in my life. They hate this country so much that they imagine we have a government like Hitler or Stalin’s, when of course the reality is that our nation, yes our government, DEFEATED HITLER AND STALIN! AND WILL SOON DEFEAT THE FANATICAL ISLAMIC MURDERERS WHO KILLED 3000 OF OUR FELLOW CITIZENS ON 9/11! But most of the cretins on this site don’t even think it happened! Or think George Bush (no favorite of mine, believe me) deliberately murdered thousands of his own citizens to gain some poltical or economic profit. It is shameful. Shameful that they dare to call themselves Americans. When they don’t even know the first thing about what our country is. When all their poisoned thoughts just spit upon our heroic flag. Well, just let them stew in their own paranoid venom. They richly deserve to for their FAITHLESSNESS!

        • BrotherPatriot

          Jim, Dan & Mark…as well as the rest who are trying to cover for the illegal banking carte/social elite/secret society/evil who hate the freedom that America represents…you make true Patriots sick by posts.

          Check out what a true American Patriot & Firefighter has to say about it all & who was even there! His name is John Schroeder and he’s about 1/2 down the following site I link below…but do take the time to watch the rest of the informative videos as well. I did post this information above but I feel it’s important enough to post here again for Jim’s benefit…if indeed he is a former NYC firefighter.

          God Bless!

          • JeffH

            BrotherPatriot, good stuff and great post above! :)

        • Jay

          My my, that’s quite a patriotic speech coming from someone who on many previous occasions expressed clear hatred for the rich Christian heritage of a country which you claim to love! How can you claim to love a country, while at the same time you despise that which distinguishes her from all other nations? It seems your madness has reached a new heights, or rather, lows! You truly are, insane!

          • mark

            I don’t love the Christian heritage of our country, I love its democratic heritage that helped us defeat Nazi Germany and Stalinist Russia, two giant victories for mankind irregardless of whose religious faith anyone follows. What makes American great is our Constitution and our democratic way of life not our Christian heritage. In fact many of our most important founders were not Christians but Deists. If they’d been true Christians maybe they wouldn’t have owned so many slaves.

          • Jay

            Really? Let me guess, we’re in the middle east to defeat the muslim menace, right? Btw, Christians didn’t own any slaves, as we have been freed from slavery. Further, Christians were pivotal in the effort to abolish slavery. I can see why you hang around mark, you’re getting educated! You should acquaint yourself with the writings of Albert Pike. Surely, an astute student of history such as yourself, has heard of him. Yes?

            “The First World War must be brought about in order to permit the Illuminati to overthrow the power of the Czars in Russia and of making that country a fortress of atheistic Communism. The divergences caused by the “agentur” (agents) of the Illuminati between the British and Germanic Empires will be used to foment this war. At the end of the war, Communism will be built and used in order to destroy the other governments and in order to weaken the religions.”

            Students of history will recognize that the political alliances of England on one side and Germany on the other, forged between 1871 and 1898 by Otto von Bismarck, co-conspirator of Albert Pike, were instrumental in bringing about the First World War.

            “The Second World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences between the Fascists and the political Zionists. This war must be brought about so that Nazism is destroyed and that the political Zionism be strong enough to institute a sovereign state of Israel in Palestine. During the Second World War, International Communism must become strong enough in order to balance Christendom, which would be then restrained and held in check until the time when we would need it for the final social cataclysm.”

            After this Second World War, Communism was made strong enough to begin taking over weaker governments. In 1945, at the Potsdam Conference between Truman, Churchill, and Stalin, a large portion of Europe was simply handed over to Russia, and on the other side of the world, the aftermath of the war with Japan helped to sweep the tide of Communism into China.

            (Readers who argue that the terms Nazism and Zionism were not known in 1871 should remember that the Illuminati invented both these movements. In addition, Communism as an ideology, and as a coined phrase, originates in France during the Revolution. In 1785, Restif coined the phrase four years before revolution broke out. Restif and Babeuf, in turn, were influenced by Rousseau – as was the most famous conspirator of them all, Adam Weishaupt.)

            “The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the “agentur” of the “Illuminati” between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time.” 4

            Since the terrorist attacks of Sept 11, 2001, world events, and in particular in the Middle East, show a growing unrest and instability between Modern Zionism and the Arabic World. This is completely in line with the call for a Third World War to be fought between the two, and their allies on both sides. This Third World War is still to come, and recent events show us that it is not far off.

          • mark

            The Illuminuti is a better term when it comes to Pike and his delusional followers. He got most of his history wrong and was way off base on practically everything. Just another Mint Julip Nostradamus with his panties twisted in a knot cause the North kicked his butt in the Civil War.

          • Jay

            Why Albert Pike’s Statue Must Fall – The Scottish Rite’s KKK Project

            1993 Article by Anton Chaitkin

            In the heart of Washington, D.C., there is a large statue and monument honoring the most important founder of the Ku Klux Klan.

            Inscribed on the base of the statue are the words, “poet”–the terrorist anthem of the KKK was his most famous literary work–and “jurist”–he was called the KKK’s chief judiciary officer, and reputedly wrote the organization manual for the terrorist anti-black movement after the U.S. Civil War.

            The immense, bearded figure of Confederate General Albert Pike is looming over a public square in the nation’s capital. Why has it never been pulled down in that predominantly black city?

            The statue is a tribute to the influence of Pike’s organization. It has power in the Executive Branch, and the Congress, and it is decisive in the courts. It has great power in all branches of law enforcement and the military.

            Do I mean that the Ku Klux Klan has such sway over the government? No, I’m speaking here of the “Scottish Rite of Freemasonry Southern Jurisdiction,” of which Pike was the chief, or “Sovereign Grand Commander.”

            The Ku Klux Klan, the Southern Confederacy, and the pre-Civil War secession movement were a single, continuous project, with Pike’s “Scottish Rite” at its center. Though the Confederacy was defeated, this project lives on today, and now dominates U.S. political life.

            Look at Baker & Botts, the Houston family firm and power base of Secretary of State James A. Baker III. This law firm was formed after the Civil War by die-hard Confederate and Masonic officials in Albert Pike’s Scottish Rite and military clique. With their British imperial racial notions, Baker & Botts and Scottish Rite freemasonry have dominated the Texas power structure ever since.

            Secretary Baker’s grandfather, Captain James A. Baker, brought English race scientist Julian Huxley in to supervise the “race purification” study program for Texas, at Rice University. Secretary Baker’s family wealth and power came from their representing Harriman, the international oil companies and George Bush’s Zapata Petroleum, all sponsors of the population control, or ban-dark-babies movement. This movement is synonymous with the Scottish Rite.

            Bill Clinton is governor of Arkansas, a state infested by the tradition of Albert Pike, who was the Grand Dragon of the Ku Klux Klan in Arkansas. Look closely at the mind-set. Bill Clinton supports and carries out the death penalty, which in practice means executions of black people and poor people; and Clinton supports abortion. Clinton sat down, and worked out his views on these issues with his Baptist minister, the late Rev. W.O. Vaught, who was Clinton’s spiritual guide and virtual foster father.

            As Vaught’s son recently told me, Clinton and his pastor agreed that their religion permits the killing of prisoners and unborn children. The authority for this version of Christianity is derived from a peculiar, neo-pagan reading of the Old Testament. And the New Testament, with its ban on revenge and requirement to love, is considered irrelevant: They say that Christ was primarily concerned with fulfilling the Old Law of the Hebrews (as interpreted by this faction), and when Christ said love your enemy and turn the other cheek, he was really trying to reenforce and impose the authority of the Roman Empire.

            But whose religion is this?

            Well, the Reverend W.O. Vaught was a 32nd Degree Mason, a {Sublime Prince of the Royal Secret} within the Scottish Rite hierarchy.

            What Is the Scottish Rite?


          • BrotherPatriot

            Wow! Jay, if you weren’t a man & I didn’t have a family…

            …LoL…I hope you get the point. I LOVE your posts, Jay!

            I feel that one day we’ll see these crooks revealed and the simple truth will set us all free. Only by standing in the light of God can this ever happen, however.

            These people think that lucifer the light bringer is good. They, in their twisted logic, though they are brilliant have got it all twisted around. One day they will be held accountable for their lies & deceit and will face justice for all those murdered for their cause & Agenda.

            Brought to justice for their Crimes against Humanity.

            They must work in secrecy because if the common man knew what they actually did behind their closed doors…they would either flee in terror or turn & destroy these luciferian worshipers where they stand. As a warrior, I know what I would do and I wouldn’t be standing alone.

            Once again I’ll state that not ALL those in the masonic order are at this level (degree) of initiation within their secret organization. Only those they deem “suitable” who has the cold intellect and will to sacrifise their fellow man actually are given the deeper level secrets. Like a tree’s growth rings, they have levels and levels around their deep inner core. Some who think they are deep in the masonic order actually are misled and only given a small sampling of the inner knowledge. This is done for a reason to help try & keep a human face on the monstrous evil that lurks beneath.

            The following is according to Albert Pike’s, “Moral’s & Dogma” book that the mason’s hold as their bible.

            You want to talk about Truth? Let’s see what Pike had to say about Truth…

            Masonic Lying — “A Spirit that loves wisdom and contemplates the Truth close at hand, is forced to disguise it, to induce the multitudes to accept it … Fictions are necessary to the people … the truth must be kept secret and the masses need a teaching proportional to the imperfect reason.” [Morals and Dogma, p. 103] (In other words the masses need to be lied to. But, Pike is talking about lying only to the non-masonic population, surely; we must assume he would not counsel Masonic leaders to lie deliberately to lower-level Masonic brethren, right? After all, those lower-level brethren so look up to their Masonic superiors as to place them on a very high pedestal. Surely, no Mason would deliberately lie to his brethren?)

            Listen to Pike again: “Masonry, like all the Religions, all the Mysteries, Hermeticism and Alchemy, conceals its secrets from all except the Adepts and Sages, or the Elect, and uses false explanations and misinterpretations of its symbols to mislead those who deserve only to be misled; to conceal the Truth, which it calls Light, from them, and to draw them away from it…so Masonry jealously conceals its secrets and intentionally leads conceited interpreters astray.” [Morals and Dogma, p. 104-5]

            Therefore, Masonry deliberately lies to its own lower-level people! Masonry “uses false explanations and misinterpretations of its symbols to mislead.” (Pike’s words, not mine.)

            What we have here is an organization that uses lies, murder (John Todd, Capt. William Morgan, MLK, JFK) and whatever other tool needed to continue their control over us all. They say they are not a religion but of course one just needs to do a little research to know how false such a statement really is and besides…can we really believe anything they say after such a thing like I just revealed becomes known by the general public?

            They are in control of the Federal Reserve which is not Federal & has no reserve (at least for We the People, even though it’s OUR money). They are bankers & have been since they were called the Knights Templar. They use money to control us and the rest of the nations. They set up their new Jerusalem here in America after being cast down by the Pope in times past. Scott Wolter believes the Kensington Rune Stone is a land claim stone left by Prince Sinclair from Scottland who crossed over well before Columbus. (Actually, Scott Wolter thinks Columbus may very well even had a map! Now that’s something the history books left out!) Do your own research on these subjects while the internet is still free for you to use!

            Anyway, keep pursuing the truth and never give in to their lies. Arm yourself with the truth of History such as what the Rothschilds did when Napolean was about to lose the war. (They sent word to their people back in England to spread lies that Napolean won and then they began selling off their shares…this created the illusion of truth and others began selling off their stocks as well, pennies on the pound. They then had other agents begin buying up everything they could get their filthy hands on and 24 hours later or so when the truth came that Napolean actually lost…England had a new power in control of virtually…everything. All those that cried foul were either given money, positions of power, or even murdered to hold their silence. So what they used is lies, deceit and murder & nothing has changed ever since.) Do your research of History and triangulate this with other certifiable sources. Only then can you be armed with the truth of this world.

            God Bless.

          • Jay

            Hey Brother Patriot, I hear ya! Btw, the feeling is mutual, lol! As for these naysayers, what can i say? We were told to speak the truth, in season, and out of season, and let the chips fall where they may. I suspect some are just dumbbells, some refuse to believe because it is too extraordinary and collides with their fantasies, but some are down right evil! I simply concentrate on telling and offering the truth, the rest is up to them. But one thing i know for sure, when they come after you, you know you’re on to something! I would start worrying if they didn’t come after me. As for now, all i can say is: “Get some”!

    • jane

      Thank you Jim Sherwood

  • RonofAmerica

    I’ve noticed in these days leading up to the 9-11 anniversary that every news report is loaded with the words “conspiracy theory.”

    The media outlets pretend to be reporting on “questions” about 9-11, but each question is preceded and pejoratively labeled a “conspiracy theory” and the questioner a “conspiracy theorist.”

    It might appear to be simple 5th grade name-calling, but it seems to me that the major media are using this overt psychological technique to taint every discussion. Every question about 9-11 is given the kook label before it can be investigated intelligently.

    Beware of the major media. They’re all being controlled. Why else won’t they surrender the full day’s tape of 9-11 reporting for our examination?

    Don’t give up. More and more Americans are beginning to realize that government is being manipulated from within and that we are no longer the masters. Keep telling the truth and don’t back down from name callers.

  • robt shrugged

    All will find the truth and the truth is I do not and will not believe anything a politician or a suposed leader says, nor will I ever give up on our constitution and founding fathers. i will die defending our constitution and mine and our freedom. Will you?

    • Scared To Death

      Yes, I will. When do we protest?

  • Jay

    Evidence Destruction

    The operation to remove the remains of the World Trade Center moved at a rapid clip. After $200 million in gold was recovered from vaults under the WTC in late October (which was apparently only a fraction of the gold in the vaults before the attack), Mayor Giuliani curtailed access of FDNY workers to Ground Zero, and ramped up the pace of the operation. By the time that the only government study on the collapse of the World Trade Center buildings was published in May of 2002, the site had been scrubbed. The report, the World Trade Center Building Performance Study called for further “research, investigation, and analysis”, but with the structural steel having been recycled through blast furnaces in India and China, any such future studies would not have the benefit of the primary evidence.

  • http://yahoo Jim Sherwood

    Building 7 was heavily involved in fire, as there were puffs of smoke coming through the very tight skin of this class 5 structure.This is not your house fire or commercial occupancy fire,or even the Empire State Bldg.(windows open) type scenario.Small amounts of prorojectile smoke pushing to the outside,through the skin, of these type of tightly enclosed,as seen, are indications of a very serious fire within the structure.One we call,’heavy fire load’! ie:one that requires at least (2)-2 and 1/2 inch lines for extinguishment…and usually much more…In other the words thhe dramatic visuals of the hollywood style fire are not this type fire…And thhe fact that the 2 towers collapsed are and give more evidence that I am correct as their collapse gave a huge void for the much needed air/oxygen for combustion to enter through the lower quadrants of the ’7′ bldg. site and feed that dragon monster fire! And it DID!
    My prayers to all this tenth anniversary who lost and are in distress as I am…God Bless…!
    Lt James W. Sherwood
    FDNY ret’d

    • BrotherPatriot

      Negative, Jim Sherwood.

      Building 7 was NOT heavily involved with fire.

      Here’s a link for your much needed research.

      God Bless you & your research.

  • old as dirt

    Thank you Greyhawk for a comprehensive analysis. Your contention that the big lie started with the JFK assassination nails it. As soon as I heard the name and description of the gun Oswald supposedly used I knew it was a lie. I had looked at at about a dozen of those surplus rifles, carbines really, too short to be called a rifle. They were being offered for sale for $8.00 and I thought the quality was so bad I would have to test fire it while it was tied to a tree. The bore on all of them was off center. This is the gun that made the shot of the century?? I think not. I’ve regretted not buying one so over the years I could have shown it to people to emphasize how implausible the warren report really is.
    An author/engineer has written a book re: 9/11 noting (among many discrepancy’s) that most of the concrete in the towers turned into dust in mid air and settled all over. It should have come down in large chunks and been in the debris pile. Likewise the steel in the pile was way short of what was in the buildings. I’ve lost the title and author name in hard disk crash. The author was a woman. I apologize for mentioning it without the details.

  • old as dirt

    I just read Jim Sherwood’s explanation for the presence of magnesium in the debris. Auto engines made of Magnesium?? Name one, its too expensive for mass produced cars. Maybe the garage was full of Ferraris

    • CherokeeDan

      Volkswagon and later model Corvettes have a lot of magnesium in their chassis, to name just two.


    If there was a major conspiracy to involve America in another war, then it will have to be proven in a concrete manner in a open court of US law. This same kind of information and types of questions came about during the attacks we suffered during WWII about FDR and his plan to move us from the depression by use of a involved war. You cannot help but listen to some of the detailed logic of those who pose these very serious questions and trying to defeat this kind of allegation is never ending. All of us want to trust our leadership and believe we are being told truthfully about major incidents that make us become embroiled in world conflict. The truth will out if there is evidence that has fact, but the wheels of justice grind slow and exceedingly fine.

  • Jim

    I must be really stupid. Nothing like these thoughts ever crossed my mine. Guess I am getting old. I AM AWAKE NOW. Starting to prep my family. Just wondering it this underground “things” are fallowing in line for a one world government under the Anti-christ? American will deminish in ways we can not think of.

    • mark

      Oh, at last you’re AWAKE NOW. Me, I’m going back to sleep. This whole site is so boring and predictable with its schoolboy, third-rate paranoia. But first I’m going to have another beer.

      • libertytrain

        and you are always here – how peculiar for someone who is bored…

      • Scared To Death

        Yes, Markie Mark. Have ANOTHER beer. Nighty night sweet prince. We’ll wake you when the fighting is over and your freedom saved. Then you can tell us over another beer how you were right all along and that there never was a bad guy and how everything is just peachy keen.

        The thing about you Mark is that you…are…terrified. And you can’t muster the where with all to admit it. We’re all scared. We’re all damn scared and that includes Livingston. And there’s mighty strong reason to be scared.

        Being brave does not mean that you are not scared. Being brave means facing the enemy, whether that enemy be a tyrant or in a bottle, despite your fear.

        If you truly felt that this administration was not a national threat, then you would walk away from this forum with the peace and confidence that your team will with stand the test of time. You would have solace in knowing that we will be proven wrong. But you stay here and argue. Who are you trying to convince anyway? It sounds to me like you are trying to sooth yourself from what truly scares the living s–t out of you.

        Come back and talk after you sleep it off. Let us hear who you really are.

        • BrotherPatriot

          Nice one, honey! LoL…love your spirit, Scared To Death!

          God Bless you & lookin forward to your future posts!

        • Jay

          Dittos! You might be right Scared To Death, poor old marky is scared to death! But why not just admit it? I know i am. Yet, i would rather die standing, and fighting!

  • JeffH

    Just and FYI…mark is a troll! This guy likes to make trouble for his own amusement. If nothing particularly nasty is going on, he’ll whip out his flamethrower and burn everyone in his path.

    The first rule of forums, chat rooms and bulletin boards is: DON’T FEED THE TROLLS. If you feed them, they grow. If you starve them, they wither up and die.

    There are some like the Priggish Grammar Trolls who will ignore the argument and pick on the one word that is used incorrectly.

    This is a familiar troll…The Crybaby. If someone says something mean to the Crybaby, she’ll become hysterical and swear she’s never coming back to the board. Of course, you’ll see her three days later when she slinks back for more abuse. The Crybaby often tells on you to the mods and swears she’s going to get you banned.

    Who’s ever seen this kind of troll…This troll is ALWAYS right and will battle to the death to prove it. There’s no point in trying to fight her. If she can’t back something up with reality, she’ll make something up, just to show you how wrong you are.

    How about the Lame Teenager troll who always responds with clever sayings like, “I know you are, but what am I?” and “I’m rubber and you’re glue…” Warning: Sometimes the Lame Teenager is really a 40-year-old guy(eddie) who can’t think of anything better to say

    The self feeding toll(again eddie)This guy likes to argue, even when everyone else in the forum proves to him he’s wrong. Without support from his nonexistent friends, he changes handles—or makes up new ones—to show the fo how loved he is.

    One of the more common trolls is the hater troll…This guy loves to make problems, usually out of sheer boredom. His posts are vile and hideous for no other reason than riling up total strangers. His arsenal includes racism, sexism, homophobia and religious intolerance.

    If someone says something even remotely critical of the Profane Screamer troll, he’ll TYPE IN ALL CAPS, telling you what a @#$# you are and insulting your mom. The Profane Screamer is often a boob and often turns into The Crybaby.

    • JeffH

      A little correction about the self feeding troll, eddie never changes his name…and for that I say thank you! :)

      • Jay

        Hmm, that is a very precise description of a troll Jeff!

    • Carlucci

      I think you hit the nail on the head, JeffH, and in a very funny way. Thanks for giving me a good laugh – :)

  • JeffH

    Just recieved this in an email and thought I’d share it…

    This just might make your day a little brighter!!

    You who worry about Democrats versus Republicans–relax. Here is our real problem.

    In a Purdue University classroom, they were discussing the qualifications to be President of the United States. It was pretty simple. The candidate must be a natural born citizen of at least 35 years of age.

    However, one girl in the class immediately started in on how unfair was the requirement to be a natural born citizen. In short, her opinion was that this requirement prevented many capable individuals from becoming president. The class was taking it in and letting her rant, and not many jaws hit the floor when she wrapped up her argument by stating “What makes a natural born citizen any more qualified to lead this country than one born by C-section?”

    Yep, these are the same kinds of 18-year-olds that are now voting in our elections! They breed and they walk among US.

    • Jay

      Yikes Jeff, that is one scary story! The socialist eggs are starting to hatch!

  • Buck

    While these are all very good questions without answers and while I have very little respect left for this government I find it hard to believe our own government would do this to us . Killing all these people just to more deeply enslave us when all they had to do is what Obama is doing , pass illegal laws by fiat .

    • Jay

      But you forget one thing Buck, without 9/11 there would have been no reason to invade Iraq! Hence, the orchestrated “Pearl Harbor”. Off course, we must keep in mind that the “false flag” operation, was multi-purposed. 9/11 paved the way for the “patriot act”, which is code, for destroying the Constitution, and all liberty!

  • Phil

    IN reference to the statement “Why was an engine turbofan from an A3 Skywarrior found at the crash scene”? I have seen this statement on several different occasions, and am still wondering the same thing. Do people that make these statements do no research at all?

    The A-3 Skywarrior did not have turbofan engines. It had Pratt and Whitney J-57 P10 turbojet engines. Of this statement I am certain. I worked on this aircraft for more than three years including intermediate maintenance which disassembled and repaired these engines.

    I am NOT stating that it was not an A-3 the hit the pentagon, just that the part description is faulty. Also the hole in the Pentagon is still awfully small to be made even by an A-3. The A-3 was over 22 ft high and more than 72 feet wide.

    This is just my two and a half cents worth, but perhaps it was a missle, and not a plane at all. The security camera movies are so blurry that it would be difficult to tell anything by them.

    • Mac

      Virtually nothing would faze the Pentagon wall beyond the fuselage and the engines. Wings and tail parts would barely leave traces if hitting at more than 300 mph. Fuel, and the mass of seats, bodies and accumulated mass of fuselage metal would be most responsible for the main hole in the Pentagon wall. The WTC had a lot of glass and was much lighter construction than the Pentagon, so the wings and tail parts opened up more of those buildings when the planes hit.


    The tower was hit at 9:02 AM when most of the 50,000 people who worked in those buildings would have been at their desks. Why were not more than almost 3000 killed?

  • alienjon

    911 has many issues, as you pointed out. Thousands of trades banking on the drop of the American Airlines and the others. There was Israel intelligence with bombs in a van on Brooklyn Bridge, who knew the attack was going to happen. There was a van full of gold in the wrong tower with nobody around. 100′s of people saying they were hereing large and small explosion, like control demolition over and over again. You can even see explosion in the videos 20 floors away from the colapse building. The buildings were pulvarize into dust as they came down, not just collapsing. Why no questions about the sprinkler systems or the small fire as reported by the firemen. The Sprinkler if they were going off would have sprayed water and all though that would spread fire it also would have made a barrier between fuel and metal. wtc 7 was suppose to be set up to be a safe house for major nyc damage ( I would assume they were ready for nuclear ) but the building was not prepared for a fire??? The lab scintist task with testing the metal to show it weaking, totally changed his view and says now it could not happen at that heat. Now he is wanting more answers.
    The thing that hit the pentagon was said to be a 10-20 passenger plane at most or a missile by many eye witness. Neither of the 6 ton engines were found. Some part of it was able to punch a near perfect hole through 6 layers of steal reinforce concrete traveling clear through to C ring and then vanishing without leaving burn marks. What did the hole??
    The scrambled jets could not find any of the aircrafts before they hit there targets. I worked with radars and can tell you that the ground crew radars may have been limited but the jets were not. Why were they sent to Atlantic Ocean away from the Capital. more important why did all officers involved get promotions and not demotions???
    The plane in Penn had part 6 miles away from where it supposedly crashed, How did that happen??
    How can passports a inferno and no bodies or parts be recovered from the passengers of the planes. In most accidents they can find remains teeth for identification Or any other items for that matter. Even when Hiroshima and Nagasaki happened there was some bodies recovered.
    The phone calls that supposedly happen never could have happened. Supposed random person(later known to be a out of work actor) on the streets was interviews to give accounts of what happened (stating the intense heat brought down the building) even though the early expert all stated it was like control demolitions and the fireman stating there was only two realtively small fires. People were seen standing in the opening the plane made waving. But this clown said it was intense fires that brought the building down, for some reason after he spoke there was no more interviews from peoples stating bomb etc. What happened?? Who paid him?? Obviously, his speech was planned ??

    The Commision themselves says they did not get support from those who job is to support their investigation. Sorry, that alone should have been enough for them to be unemployed and spending time behind bars. I feel our officials and government official should be held at higher level at least equal to the crime they are investigating. In this case if they are found to be hindering the investigation it should be 3000 cases of murder on their heads.

  • jean miller

    Wasn’t it a missile that hit the Pentagon first??? Also playing the blame game does nothing but create animosity among Americans. Let the blame game be corrected and go forth with more cautious methods of keeping the United States a safe place to live.

    • Mac

      No. Probably a hundred witnesses have claimed to see the airliner approaching the Pentagon. Don’t jump to conclusions until you know some facts.

  • http://yahoo Jim Sherwood

    OK,I give…Just trannies and these fires were, when I worked, a constant source of problems as they burned white hot and for long periods of time,But I do recall a Chrysler engine with a part of the engine block magnesium,the other half of a dissimilar metal that caused varied expansion and contraction probllems for the Dodge and Chrylser and the owner..Maybe…Thee main point being is there were a lot of cars with trannies made of Magnesium below and in the area of the magnesium dust,smoke,residue etc of Dr.Jones’ find…(put a thermite/magnesium grenade on an engine block and you will get a beautiful clean hole right on through the block w/ thick acrid crappy smoke)And itwill cuuase metal to burn and ‘slag’!
    And anyone can go to my name, Lt.James W. Sherwood for a Congressional report of ME!The first1993 WTC.I was at both!(Just hours after they occured, but I was there…) And read the other Jim Sherwood link/story there as well.It;ll be good for you!

  • robt shrugged

    well what now?

  • James A. Fenton (Jim)

    PEOPLE! It’s all about money, the money trail and control of world banking by an unscrupulous cartel of financiers bent only on self aggrandizement. Our banking problems can likely be traced as far back as 1807 followed by numerous revisions, most all detrimental to the uninitiated masses and the integrity of our nation.

    The root problem is a lack of knowledge, understanding even disregard by our national tragedy that is the Federal Reserve System. If you open your mind and heart and intently listen to G. Edward Griffin from his book, “The Creature from Jekyll Island”, the message will become clarion clear just from a quote from its preface. He speaks of writing four books within a book and I quote from that section:

    “First, there is a crash course on money, the basics of banking
    and currency. Without that, it would be impossible to understand
    the fraud that now passes for acceptable practice within the
    banking system.

    Second, there is a book on how the world’s central banks – are
    catalysts for war. That is what puts real fire into the subject,
    because it shows that we are dealing, not with mere money, but
    with blood, human suffering, and freedom itself.

    Third, there is a history of central banking in America. That is
    essential to the realization that the concept behind the Federal
    Reserve was tried three times before in America. We need to know
    why those institutions were eventually junked.

    Finally, there is an analysis of the Federal Reserve itself and
    its dismal record since 1913. This is probably the least important
    part of all, but it is the reason we are here. It is the least
    important, not because the subject lacks significance, but because
    it has been written before by writers far more qualified and more
    skilled than I. As mentioned previously, however, those volumes
    generally have remained unread except by technical historians, and
    the Creature has continued to dine upon its hapless victims.”

    This all began in such secrecy it was several years before the general
    public even realize the significance of its existence. The power of is still very much in place because few people are aware of how mountains of debt really affect them. Even today, most have yet to realize the debt spiral they are in has a deep black end to it – their “easy money” is soon to be a thing of the past and their American dream is crashing down around them.

    The solution to today’s political disgrace: First,the removal, of all those living and working in our HOUSE on Pennsylvania Avenue, Washington, D.C. and replacing them with Dr. Ron Paul and his choices of honorable teammates. Then, of course, somehow ferret out the chaff in the congress and the media so effecting the course of our history. Wake up America!!! It really is about morals, ethical behavior, integrity and a knowledgeable personal spiritual foundation.

    How have things been going for you – you surely haven’t felt the “CHANGE” you were given to believe in – HAVE YOU?

  • Palin12

    I find it interesting that the so-called 911-Truther’s thing did not start until after John Kerry was defeated for President in 2004. No such movement occured during 2002-2004.

  • Mac

    “Firefighters and reporters arriving on the scene of the WTC fires claim to have heard numerous explosions before the buildings collapsed. What caused the explosions? Were they deliberately set to bring down the twin towers?”

    That last sentence seems to have been inspired by all the exposure of the ‘Truther’s babbling. You should have stopped that paragraph with “What caused the explosions?” Gather the facts, then go from there without adding speculation before all facts are in.

    All your questions about Flight 93 bring back to mind the investigation of TWA800, where the FBI took over from the NTSB (who normally is fully qualified to investigate airline crashes) and reportedly refused to follow up by questioning hundreds of eye-witnesses who told outside investigators about what appeared to be a surface-to-air rocket that hit TWA800. We seem to be under the thumb of an FBI and probably other agencies who are capable of quashing witness reports who seem to have credible facts to add to the investigation.

  • http://yahoo Jim Sherwood

    brother patriot
    I do not know John Schroeder,but as I said the 2 GIANT jets caused major damage on the floors above, and there WAS secondary annd tertiary effects,such as these via the VOIDS of the elevator shafts and pipe recesses and ‘core’ support systems of the building.He also said 30 floors of fire and that is WRONG!There was 5 to 10 floors and with VIO/Gasoline/Jet fuel starting liitle fires all over,and POURING all over the place….Imagine this!
    And remember a very important thing about these buildings.THE SKIN WAS PART OF THE STRUCTURAL SUPPORT FOR THE BUILDINGS’ LIFE,AND IT WAS SEVERELY COMPRIMISED,and on at least 3 sides…
    I’m Done!

  • Old Henry

    I keep thinking that this is the same govt. that told us Lee Harvey Oswald shot JFK – on his own.

    The mysterious passport puts me in mind of the bullet that was found on the gurney in Parkland.

    Too bad we can’t waterboard Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, the CIA chief and some others…

    I bought a DVE on eBay regarding the twin towers. It is a structural engineer who says that the only way they fell as they did was pre-plnated explosives to make them pancake into their own footprint.

    Here is the item number. It is still on eBay. 250561142084

  • http:Google C.B.

    Have had many questions about this whole affair ; plus the mystery behind the black boxes not recovered etc. I think Bin Laden was a willing participant who didn’t seem to mind since taking credit for 9/11 afforded him and his Al Qaeda buddies a big fear advantage. Of course he could have been part of the CIA . Lately you can’t tell who’s working for whom without a gigantic score card. There could be a militant group which operates independently from any government and works exclusively for the Bilderbergs. Perhaps Bush wasn’t playing along and they decided to bring him down so they could ultimately install a Manchurian president in order to speed up their NWO agenda. It sure took away a lot of our rights when Homeland Security took over. Step by step you can see the pieces of a huge scheme coming together. Our imaginations? Huh! It is true that fact can be much more stranger then fiction; my friends.

  • FlaJim

    Bob, you and all those how wrote in agreement are certifiable nuts. I’ve just unsubscribed.

    • BrotherPatriot

      Thank YOU!

      Don’t let the door hit you in the…*cough*.

      God Bless.

      • Jay

        Brother, i wonder why they have to make a BIG DEAL about leaving. Why not just leave! You know, “Don’t go away mad, just go away”. But of course, we both know why they have to blow the trumpet, don’t we! They’re so predictable.

  • Bob McCormick

    There are still a lot of questions surrounding 9/11, it’s hard to separate coverup from conspiracy theory, fact from fiction. As is the case with the grassy knoll and Obama’s citizenship status we may never get the answers we are looking for. Just like any other third world dictatorship, reality is what our government tells us it is. What’s done is done, the facts that can not be denied, are that AlQuida was responsible for a murderous terror attack that took nearly three thousand lives.
    Within all of Bob Livingston’s unanswered questions there is one that we should demand an answer to however. Why are we still in Afghanistan? We accomplished the stated mission, AlQuida training camps are gone and Osama BinLaden has been assassinated, yet after nearly ten years we are still there. Afghanistan is known as the “Grave Yard of Civilizations” for good reason, even within the time span of our short memories there is the fall of the Soviet Union, a long war with Afghanistan was a contributing factor in their downfall. We flush millions of dollars down this toilet on a daily basis, not to mention the brave young men who are loosing their lives while this farce continues.
    I believe we could and probably should win the war, we used to be the United States of America and we do have arguably the most powerful and best equipped military force in the world, but given the current strategy, we are using the right tool for the wrong job. If we are determined to continue with this hearts and minds foolishness, send Dr Phil and a team of social workers in. Get a clue Obama our troops are trained to fight not wrangle invitations to tea parties. Let them do their job or bring them home. It would be a shame to pull out and leave this country unstable and in the hands of the Taliban, but we need to stop wasting lives and treasure in this hell hole.

  • http://yahoo Jim Sherwood

    Ok,one more post.On the fifth anniversary of the 9/11 attacks I was,in uniform,at the site.I was deeply depressed and after the ceremony I was walking to get to my car parking spot.(at a fire house),when I came upon the black shirts.They handed me a ‘tri-fold’ info handout, and I walked over to Brooks Bros.and sat on their stoop and read it intently.I came back and said to the leader of the group that there was NOTHING in this that I could not refute myself. I said that I did not have engineering degree nor was I a highly trained person of the type to be in a postion of making any real statement on this,but that I saw in their pamphlet a,almost ludicrous,assertion, or twenty, and I could personnally refute their fears.I dug in for over 3 years and researched and asked questions of these people and my people and read and scoured all info I could find,and I,after speaking with a large amount of these people,finally realiized they did not want any lucid,cogent,intuitive,info,they wanted to believe and perpetuate this stuff all over the place.So,I backed off…Now I find they are of the CFR and TLC and Bilderberg thing,of which I am not sure,and my point is that I do not know of that stuff.But of this I am sure,there were NO explosives that brought the WTC down…NONE! They are OFF on this one!
    Please stay away on 9/11 this year and have some respect…You are upsetting a lot of people.

    • BrotherPatriot

      As are you upsetting alot of people, my friend…as are you.

      It is our Patriotic duty to bring justice to the fallen even if it means it reveals the can of worms that we all suspect that our Government has become.

      We need to clean the house. We NEED to replace the government employees with Constitutional followers with a proven track record of loyalty.

      Ron Paul is a fine example of a proven track record of loyalty to the Constitution as are many law enforcers and military servants that are currently serving. There also are many retired who could step up to the plate. There is no shortage of true American patriots…the best who would serve most likely would be the ones who didnt want to but are called upon by the loyal people of America and trust me…those people would step up & serve. Though my Grandfather is old…he would be one of them as a former Captain in the Navy.

      God Bless those who continue to pursue the truth and who never give up.

      • BrotherPatriot

        Ooops…Grandpa was a Commander…not a Captain in the Navy.

        My bad.

        God Bless.

  • Whisper

    Popular Mechanics did an in depth investigation of all the conspiracy theories surrounding 9/11. The information was published in their magazine in 2005 and it convincingly answered all the questions asked in this article plus a lot more. The group expanded the material in a 2006 book titled ” Debunking 9/11 Myths”. The book was revised in 2011 and is available now. Popular Mechanics also did a documentary called, “9/11 Conspiracies: Fact or Fiction” which has been shown multiple times on the History Channel over the last 10 years. The Popular Mechanics website also has a small article covering the top 16 myths called “Debunking the 9/11 Myths” that is a good place to start. Their researchers consulted 70 of the top people their fields, including aviation, engineering and the military to name a few. There are thousands of books out there discussing all these conspiracy theories but providing us no answers and no proof. Popular Mechanics, as far as I can find, are the only ones that actually did their homework and found the answers. I recommend you check it out.

  • bob wire

    circles inside circle, enablers enabling enablers.

    Why didn’t 43 ask ?; “What’s this plane doing sticking through my Pentagon people?”

    The nature of people that have jobs and work by the hour , week or month is to try to keep them and do as little as necessary in the process.

    People that rise to the occasion, are willing to go out on a limb, willing to do more then their coworkers is called a trouble maker.

    In a social work setting, they become targets of middle management and coworker hostility alike.

    Hey! the 1st and 15th are “happy days” and who wants to screw up a “good thing” when the boss is happy?

    If we could employ “production” measure to government pay, at least we might know how many paper clips have been used today.

    I hate to see people brain washed in such a manner but that is all most people know and understand. They pretend to work and the employer pretend to pay them while little “real work” actually gets done.

    thank Goodness, there are some exceptions ~ without them, we’d be doomed for sure.

  • Bob McCormick

    There are still a lot of questions surrounding 9/11; it’s hard to separate coverup from conspiracy theory, fact from fiction. As is the case with the grassy knoll and Obama’s citizenship status we may never get the answers we are looking for. Just like any other third world dictatorship, reality is what our government tells us it is. What’s done is done, the facts that can not be denied, are that AlQuida was responsible for a murderous terror attack that took nearly three thousand lives.
    Within all of Bob Livingston’s unanswered questions there is one that we should demand an answer to however, why are we still in Afghanistan? We accomplished the stated mission, AlQuida training camps are gone and Osama BinLaden has been assassinated, yet after nearly ten years we are still there. Afghanistan is known as the “Grave Yard of Civilizations” for good reason, even within the time span of our short memories there is the fall of the Soviet Union, a long fruitless war with Afghanistan was a contributing factor in their downfall. We flush millions of dollars down this toilet on a daily basis, not to mention the brave young men who are loosing their lives while this farce continues.
    I believe we could and probably should win the war, we used to be the United States of America and we do have arguably the most powerful and best equipped military force in the world, but given the current strategy, we are using the right tool for the wrong job. If we are determined to continue with this hearts and minds foolishness, send Dr Phil and a team of social workers in. Get a clue Obama our troops are trained to fight not wrangle invitations to tea parties. Let them do their job or bring them home. It would be a shame to pull out and leave this country unstable and in the hands of the Taliban, but we need to stop wasting lives and treasure in this hell hole.
    One way or another wrap it up and get us out.

  • Bob McCormick

    There are still a lot of questions surrounding 9/11; it’s hard to separate coverup from conspiracy theory, fact from fiction. As is the case with the grassy knoll and Obama’s citizenship status we may never get the answers we are looking for and some will never be satisfied with the answers they get. Just like any other third world dictatorship, reality is what our government tells us it is, face it and move on. What’s done is done, the facts that can not be denied, are that AlQuida was responsible for a murderous terror attack and nearly three thousand lives were lost.
    Within all of Bob Livingston’s unanswered questions there is one that we can demand an answer to however. Why are we still in Afghanistan? We accomplished the stated mission, AlQuida training camps are gone and Osama BinLaden has been assassinated, yet after nearly ten years we are still there. Afghanistan is known as the “Grave Yard of Civilizations” for good reason, even within the time span of our short memories there is the fall of the Soviet Union, their war with Afghanistan was a contributing factor in their downfall, those that fail to learn from history!!! We flush millions of dollars down this toilet on a daily basis, not to mention the brave young men who are loosing their lives while this farce continues.
    I believe we could and probably should win the war, we used to be the United States of America once, and we do have arguably the most powerful and best equipped military force in the world, but given the current strategy, we are using the right tool for the wrong job. If we are determined to continue with this hearts and minds foolishness, send Dr Phil and a team of social workers in. Get a clue Obama our troops are trained to fight not wrangle invitations to tea parties. Let them do their job or bring them home. It would be a shame to pull out and leave this country unstable and in the hands of the Taliban, but we need to stop wasting lives and treasure in this hell hole.
    Either way wrap it up and get us out

  • Jay

    21 ways the illuminati are Smashing Americans Resistance to the Globalist Agenda.

    1. Immigration lawlessness and rising crime wave by illegal aliens.

    2. Government bankruptcy and indebtedness at an all-time high.

    3. Social Security swindle—Social Security Fund battered as Feds blow money on worthless spending scams.

    4. Veteran mistreatment and genocide. Most V. A. hospitals are deathtraps; Vets receive inferior medical care. Millions of Vets are dying from Agent Orange (Vietnam), Persian Gulf War sickness, and other service-related illnesses.

    5. Outsourcing of American jobs—to foreigners in Pakistan, India, Red China, Mexico, Indonesia, etc. America’s manufacturing base declining rapidly and being shifted overseas.

    6. Foreign student takeover of America’s colleges, universities, and public schools.

    7. Corporate globalism—Greedy U.S. corporations, as globalist entities, are unpatriotic and hostile to American interests.

    8. Harnessing of U.S. Military for global mercenary duties. Americans forced to pay for and fight Israel’s wars and die for causes unrelated to U.S. defense.

    9. Hate Crime laws—state, federal, and U.N.—forbid free speech, prohibit criticism of Israel and prevent the Christian gospel being preached.

    10. Sexual barbarism and dehumanization accomplished by vulgar, crude, sexually explicit, physically degrading movies, television, cartoons, books, video games, advertising and other media.

    11. Private property regularly seized and its uses restricted to promote the Communist agenda of environmentalist and globalist organizations.

    12. Unfair and unlawful tax system used to rob producers and transform U.S. citizens into federalized serfs and wards of the state.

    13. Manipulation of water supplies and contrived water shortages used to drive up water prices and control the citizenry.

    14. White race discriminated against and American culture savaged by promotion of “cultural diversity.”

    15. Two meaningless political parties whose real agenda are identical, and corrupt, rigged elections which frustrate the will of the people.

    16. Satanization of society through occult influences and symbols which permeate media, music, entertainment, and sports.

    17. Free Press replaced by propaganda ministries and elitist media accomplices who work nonstop to psychologically hypnotize, mesmerize, and control the minds of the population.

    18. “War on Terror” used as pretext to create an American police state and remove the peoples’ constitutional rights.

    19. Death culture promoted. Conditioning of minds. Desensitizing of the masses to the mass genocide to come, with abortion, euthanasia, necrophilia, cannibalism, group death, and cruelty.

    20. Gulag concentration camps prepared for resisters and dissidents.

    21. Religious debasement. False religions promoted and encouraged. Traditional Christianity portrayed as anti-Semitic, bigoted and politically incorrect.

  • Jay

    PROTOCOL No. 1

    1. ….Putting aside fine phrases we shall speak of the significance of each thought: by comparisons and deductions we shall throw light upon surrounding facts.

    2. What I am about to set forth, then, is our system from the two points of view, that of ourselves and that of the GOYIM [i.e., non- Jews].

    3. It must be noted that men with bad instincts are more in number than the good, and therefore the best results in governing them are attained by violence and terrorisation, and not by academic discussions. Every man aims at power, everyone would like to become a dictator if only he could, and rare indeed are the men who would not be willing to sacrifice the welfare of all for the sake of securing their own welfare.

    4. What has restrained the beasts of prey who are called men? What has served for their guidance hitherto?

    5. In the beginnings of the structure of society, they were subjected to brutal and blind force; after words – to Law, which is the same force, only disguised. I draw the conclusion that by the law of nature right lies in force.

    6. Political freedom is an idea but not a fact. This idea one must know how to apply whenever it appears necessary with this bait of an idea to attract the masses of the people to one’s party for the purpose of crushing another who is in authority. This task is rendered easier of the opponent has himself been infected with the idea of freedom, SO-CALLED LIBERALISM, and, for the sake of an idea, is willing to yield some of his power. It is precisely here that the triumph of our theory appears; the slackened reins of government are immediately, by the law of life, caught up and gathered together by a new hand, because the blind might of the nation cannot for one single day exist without guidance, and the new authority merely fits into the place of the old already weakened by liberalism.


    7. In our day the power which has replaced that of the rulers who were liberal is the power of Gold. Time was when Faith ruled. The idea of freedom is impossible of realization because no one knows how to use it with moderation. It is enough to hand over a people to self-government for a certain length of time for that people to be turned into a disorganized mob. From that moment on we get internecine strife which soon develops into battles between classes, in the midst of which States burn down and their importance is reduced to that of a heap of ashes.

    8. Whether a State exhausts itself in its own convulsions, whether its internal discord brings it under the power of external foes – in any case it can be accounted irretrievable lost: IT IS IN OUR POWER. The despotism of Capital, which is entirely in our hands, reaches out to it a straw that the State, willy-nilly, must take hold of: if not – it goes to the bottom.

    9. Should anyone of a liberal mind say that such reflections as the above are immoral, I would put the following questions: If every State has two foes and if in regard to the external foe it is allowed and not considered immoral to use every manner and art of conflict, as for example to keep the enemy in ignorance of plans of attack and defense, to attack him by night or in superior numbers, then in what way can the same means in regard to a worse foe, the destroyer of the structure of society and the commonweal, be called immoral and not permissible?

    10. Is it possible for any sound logical mind to hope with any success to guide crowds by the aid of reasonable counsels and arguments, when any objection or contradiction, senseless though it may be, can be made and when such objection may find more favor with the people, whose powers of reasoning are superficial? Men in masses and the men of the masses, being guided solely by petty passions, paltry beliefs, traditions and sentimental theorems, fall a prey to party dissension, which hinders any kind of agreement even on the basis of a perfectly reasonable argument. Every resolution of a crowd depends upon a chance or packed majority, which, in its ignorance of political secrets, puts forth some ridiculous resolution that lays in the administration a seed of anarchy.

    11. The political has nothing in common with the moral. The ruler who is governed by the moral is not a skilled politician, and is therefore unstable on his throne. He who wishes to rule must have recourse both to cunning and to make-believe. Great national qualities, like frankness and honesty, are vices in politics, for they bring down rulers from their thrones more effectively and more certainly than the most powerful enemy. Such qualities must be the attributes of the kingdoms of the GOYIM, but we must in no wise be guided by them.

  • Anthony

    Overall, it should be understood that we have lived, since John Marshall took over the Supreme Court and handed us the Marbury judgement, under an anti- Ben Franklin existence. Combine this with the machinations of Alexander Hamilton, and the groundwork was laid to dissemble the America that Jefferson fought so hard for.

    This is what happens when singular men sell out their neighbors… for a buck. The inclusion of the General Welfare Clause has ruined much of the chance we might have to simply reverse the damage in less than a fortnight.

    It is by no chance, pure happenstance that things are the way they are. As you should be noticing, I do not post much on here as many simply do not have the stones to at least google up what I mention and would rather KEEP their heads in the sand. I’ve more than satisfied myself about 911, and ABLE DANGER, and every other extrapolation that’s purely connected even if the Media refuses to discuss it. The Media belongs to the Corporate Planet and is controlled by the Bilderbergers. You want to dismiss it? That’s your loss. It was the Rothschilds that bought out Rueters over 200 years ago. That’s when the process was started.

    No matter what the majority of you WANT to believe… 911 “was” an inside job perpetrated by our own Banksters, Politicians, Media-Heads and Corporations who supplied the materials. The crash in Pennsylvania? Was rehearsed right in Northern Indiana several years prior. The crash into the Pentagon? Where were the Passenger Airliner’s Jet Engines IF it was what they say? No, folks, that was a MISSLE. An aluminum airliner would never have made it thru 3 walls let alone almost ALL of them. And, the engines were missing, because they were never there. If you review the film, you CAN see where mini-nuke devices were being blown on according to a timing mechanism. Otherwise such a building would have NEVER collapsed as it did, falling into itself, like any other demo we’ve see for the last 25 years. The airliners? Flown by remote control. End of discussion. Something they’ve been capable of since the early 1980′s.

    The questions they AREN’T asking? How about where did all the money go, just prior to the crashes into the Twin Towers? How is it that the Bushes, close family friends of the Bin Ladens, somehow just knew it had to be one of theirs who had done this? Why was it, there was NO outrage from the rest of teh Bin Laden Family when the Bushes pointed the finger? And, who authorized a host of Israeli’s being flown out of the Country right when ALL planes were grounded – out thru Florida….???

    Go Here:

    Peruse all the videos there… including those with relation to the Patriot Acts, which were the real intention of 911 to begin with. and yes Daschle & Co knew all about it and were complicit.

    This bickering and mealy-mouth chatter I keep reading here… is a bunch of BULL, posted by UN-informed little sheep who prefer their SLAVE status ina Money as Debt scenario. We are living undr an Oligarchy.. which means you “really don’t” have any true rights to freedom. You only have the semblence of it. Just like there’s no real competition in the marketplace.. only the pretence.


    And, until you get that fact straight… none of the rest of it means squat. Take back control of our Currency? Well, even Bernanke just threatened Congress, recently. Did you see that? Still wanna kiss that joker’s a$$? Seriously, is WAR on US soil the only thing that will make you walk with your balls?


    • Kate8

      Anthony – Is that why you haven’t been around? Too many ignorant people?

      While there certainly are many posters who are still plugged into the matrix of deception (and don’t WANT to wake up), I see many coming more coming around every day. There are several of us here who understand exactly what you post, and appreciate your comments.

      Even if you reach only one or two, it’s worth it. We can’t give up.

    • BrotherPatriot

      Well…I have been chewing on this all day and now I know one of the reasons why!

      Anthony! Great to hear from you mahn. We have missed you and your input. JeffH, DaveH, Kate8, all the rest of the Patriots and I have been hammering at trolls and having a great time but sure would be nice to have your input also!

      Hope all is well with you and please don’t be such a stranger!

      God Bless & Welcome back? (Hope so!)

  • The Other White Meat

    Parts of an A3D Skywarrior was found? Here’s my question: Why was anybody allowed at the site (or to later identify the parts) who could identify that part of an antiquated military plane and thus throw gasoline onto the cospiracy fire?

  • GBhar

    Obama is a Muslim, a socialist as well.
    His father was a Kenyan, so he should go to hell!
    America’s for white folks (Yeah, his mother, claims she’s white!),
    And just because he’s born here, it doesn’t make it right.

    And some say he was born there, in some other place,
    Where exactly, no one knows. It still is a disgrace!
    And since he is a socialist, he’s bailing out the banks,
    Like W did before him — and no, we’re not just cranks!

    We’re citizens, united, to stop this great disgrace
    And to elect a president of the Caucasian race.
    His minister was crazy, he said the U.S. sinned,
    And warned against reprisals. Oh what a bag of wind!

    Some say that he’s a Christian, this traitor Reverend Wright,
    And though ‘Bama disowned him, he claims, like Jesus, right.
    But Christians don’t forgive those who slap us on our faces.
    We slap them back so hard that they collapse into their feces.

    So what if we bombed nation (that screwed up old Iraq),
    That some say hadn’t nothing to do with the attack?
    For we’re a Christian nation, we do what we damn please.
    And those who ask these questions, we turn to blackened grease.

  • GBhar

    The Communists have infiltrated the body of the Church.
    They’ve filled it with their perverts, and left it in the lurch.
    Marx and Lenin celebrate, and Stalin takes a bow.
    Trotsky does the foxtrot, and everyone shouts, “Wow!”.

  • GBhar

    Nixon goes to China, where Kissinger has been,
    And we support Khmer Rouges, which isn’t that obscene.
    For we supplied Osama (that’s an “s” and not a “b”),
    And Reagan called for jihad ‘gainst the atheists, you see.

    So now, we and the Saudis and the Pakistanis too
    Have ourselves a problem! Oh dear, what should we do?
    Why start another war, of course! Iran will do just nicely!
    Netanyahu, he will dance, with joy — and do it spritely!

  • Thinking About

    I would like to see articles dealing with truth on many subjects. I have long questioned the close relationship between the Bush and bin Laden families and to have the bin Laden families allowed to depart US immediately after 9/11 bit have not found a reasonable answer. I am not sure this sites readers are willing to accept turgidity if presented. We still have the birthers running wild and doubt it is in their capacity to understand the Constitution. When we tear out parts of the Constitution we may not like what is going to stop others from deleting parts such as rights to bear arms from being removed. Actions usually produce results but are we really ready for any changes up our Constitution

  • Paul

    just not too long after hearing that jet fuel fire does not get hot enough to melt a steel beam there was a truck accident in california.a fuel got hot enough to melt a bridge,and melted bridge beams.does jet fuel not burn as hot as gasoline for cars?

  • Thaoms

    I find your email response to the 911 attack as immature and disturbing. EVERY attempt to call the attack a conspiracy has been debunked with science. You disappoint me. I really thought you were on the “right” side. You are no better than the left wing conspiracy theorists! I am now cancelling my subscription to your emails.

    • BrotherPatriot

      Thank YOU!

      Don’t let the door hit you in the…

      God Bless.

  • Angi Stamm

    Okay, you this webstie totally just lost all your credibility…time to unsubscribe…9/11 truther really?

    • BrotherPatriot

      Thank YOU!!!

      Don’t let the door hit you in the…on the way out!

      God Bless.

      (duplicate message apparently not allowed as above(s))


  • Genevieve

    Very interesting reading. A lot of comments here confirm what I have always believed.

    One writer asks why we are still in Afghanistan. My thoughts on that is that Afghanistan purportedly grows and eats bitter apricot kernels. Bitter apricot kernels kill cancer cells but protect normal cells. According to Ty Bollinger, author of Cancer – Step Outside the Box, in which he blows the lid off all the all natural cancer cures out there which pharmaceutical companies do not offer because they cannot patent them and make millons of dollars from them. He says towards the end of his book how the big pharmaceutical companies are pushing for the banning of growing bitter apricot trees in America. In Afghanistan where they grow and eat a lot of bitter apricot kernels, cancer is virtually unheard of (mind you it could also be because their diet is a lot more natural compared with western diets etc). According to the Food Standards Agency in the United Kingdom, they advise not eating any more than two bitter apricot kernels per day. I wonder why? I had cancer six years ago and was advised by a nutritional therapist to take 17 bitter apricot kernels daily to help prevent a recurrence. He, himself, takes 10 each day, and did you know that Bill Clinton also eats 10 each day to prevent cancer. I have been taking 17 per day and have had no ill effects.

    Also, did you know that when Reagan was President, he was secretly whisked off to Germany to undergo hyperthermia treatment for prostate cancer. This involves the patient being put to sleep and his body heated up to a very high fever, which is known to kill cancer cells. This treatment, along with other cancer treatments are not offered as the pharmaceuticals would lose billions. Those in the know travel to Mexico and other health clinics to get the treatment they deserve.

    Also, there is mention of the “New World Order”. I have heard from very separate sources that say there is a secret undertaking to try and reduce the world population to 500 million; that we should all make sure we have enough food and water stocked and cash to hand. Whether there is any truth in this I don’t know.

    Also, probably already known among you, that the true reason that we went to war with Iraq was that Saddam was in talks with other leaders in the Arab world about making sure sales of oil was made in Euros / Japanese Yen, or such like which would have meant American Banks would have lost out on all the billions of dollars being held in their accounts, as oil is traded in dollars.

    Over here in Britain, we also have our corrupt government officials. We all know that the Scientist, David Kelly, the weapons inspector for Iraq, was really murdered by the secret services, as he insisted that Saddam did not have any weapons of mass destruction. We also still suspect that Princess Diana was the victim of the secret services.

    The reason, I believe, that we keep certain regions poorer than other regions through lack of investment and creation of jobs, is so that we have a ready supply of young men forced to joining the army etc to get some kind of training and paid work so that we can then use them as cannon fodder, keeping our armies well stocked. With armies relying on volunteers they have to think of some way to make sure they have a ready supply of unemployed youngsters to take on. I have always believed that if the men at the top want to wage war, then they and their families should be in the front line. When we are young at school we are given badges or stickers to reward us for our efforts and we are pleased. As grown-ups, soldiers risk their lives for medals (are they real gold by any chance?). When they are badly wounded they are discharged from the army even though they may want to stay within it to contribute behind the scenes and feel of some use. Certainly in Britain a lot of them are let down and forgotten about.

    Certainly, I think it is farcical that our British government is pushing Libya to give us the man who shot our policewoman, Yvonne Fletcher, all those years ago. How they can think of things like this when our firepower has murdered hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians, men, women and children, in places like Afghanistan and Iraq. I have also read recently of a plot that the Israelies are planning to start a war with Iran, hoping that the Americans / British will join in too, supposedly the end of this year or next. Could this be the start of the end of the world as we know it as predicted by the Mayans for 21 Dec 2012?

    Just a few thoughts.

    America has invaded more countries than any other country and has shown more aggression than any other country. I look at the laws, upon laws, upon laws, which tie people up in knots and wonder do Americans or Britons really live in free countries – I think not.

    • BrotherPatriot

      Bingo…sad but true.

      May God help show us all through the troubles ahead.

  • Buckeye

    A name all of the repubs want you to forget is not mentioned here. DOV ZAKHEIM who in May 2001 said “WE NEED A PEARL HARBOR TYPE INCIDENT TO TAKE PLACE” so the American people will back us in a middle east war. Bush immediately appointed him as comptroller of the pentagon and his prior job he was an expert at rigging aircraft to be remote controlled. Where did he disappear to and why was his name never mentioned. He now works for Booze Allen where all troubled repubs go into hiding. Most information on him has been removed but some is still available. Where was Cheney this day and why was no military aircraft near any of these areas. Had he taken control of the air defence and was they on manuvers out west somewhere. Only one plane was ever mentioned as being in the several state area. ???????????

  • The Truthier Truth

    Barbara Streisand and Bigfoot collapsed the buildings through high pitched ultrasonic vibrations made after Bigfoot acheived orgasm and saw Barbara’s face.

  • Thinking About

    I am not sure lies, lies and more lies can ever be stopped. For those who profess to want to get back to the Constitution and immediately want to change the sections they might not agree with must not want to be living under the Constitution. I also wonder about simple interpretation of the Constitution when I see post to this site claiming both parents has to be citizens of the US in order to be president. Our early fathers knew perhaps early presidents would certainly have parents which was not natural born but their children could qualify to hold office of president of US. Maybe Mr Livingston would explain this and his readers could understand our Constitution.

    • BrotherPatriot

      A Natural born child is one born of 2 citizen parents. This child must be born on soil controlled by the USA.

      Our founding fathers were very much aware of the threat that a child not born from 2 citizens & who was not brought up in the culture of America could respresent to their young nation.

      Just look what the illegal Barry Soetorro/Obummer has already done in his short work as Potus.

      1+1 = 2

      It’s as simple math as that.

      The sooner we Nullify him and all that he has written into laws the faster we can start turning all this around. However, it can’t stop there…we must also pursue all the criminals who helped get him to where he is and that would include the majority of our government workers and stretches deep down into the secret society that actually has been in control of our media, our entertainment, our justice system, our government and even our local law enforcement and they have had this control for a very long time. We can not just cure the symptom…we must cure the infection at the root source and then live in the Light of God.

      Speak the truth and keep it on the level…American’s will be shocked but we’ll recover and we’ll be the stronger for it!

      God Bless!

  • Gary

    Who made money on the short side of the market on 9/11?

  • Antonio

    for anybody who is interested just spell illuminati backwards and put .com after it and see what page you get :)
    esta buenisimo!!

    • Kate8

      Hi Antonio – That’s kind of spooky! Is it safe to click on those sites?



  • Mark Are

    It looks like I have no choice but to release this information to this group:

    The following is largely extracted from two articles:

    Twilight of the Psychopaths, by Dr. Kevin Barrett and The Trick of the Psychopath’s Trade by Silvia Cattori ( Both articles are recommended. Both articles reference the book Political Ponerology: A science on the nature of evil adjusted for political purposes, by Andrzej Lobaczewski. Cattori’s article is longer and includes an interview with the book’s editors, Laura Knight-Jadczyk and Henry See.

    I make the effort to share this information because it gives me, at last, a plausible answer to a long-unanswered question: Why, no matter how much intelligent goodwill exists in the world, is there so much war, suffering and injustice? It doesn’t seem to matter what creative plan, ideology, religion, or philosophy great minds come up with, nothing seems to improve our lot. Since the dawn of civilization, this pattern repeats itself over and over again.

    The answer is that civilization, as we know it, is largely the creation of psychopaths. All civilizations, our own included, have been built on slavery and mass murder. Psychopaths have played a disproportionate role in the development of civilization, because they are hard-wired to lie, kill, cheat, steal, torture, manipulate, and generally inflict great suffering on other humans without feeling any remorse, in order to establish their own sense of security through domination. The inventor of civilization – the first tribal chieftain who successfully brainwashed an army of controlled mass murderers – was almost certainly a genetic psychopath. Since that momentous discovery, psychopaths have enjoyed a significant advantage over non-psychopaths in the struggle for power in civilizational hierarchies – especially military hierarchies.

    Behind the apparent insanity of contemporary history, is the actual insanity of psychopaths fighting to preserve their disproportionate power. And as their power grows ever-more-threatened, the psychopaths grow ever-more-desperate. We are witnessing the apotheosis of the overworld – the overlapping criminal syndicates that lurk above ordinary society and law just as the underworld lurks below it.

    During the past fifty years, psychopaths have gained almost absolute control of all the branches of government. You can notice this if you observe carefully that no matter what illegal thing a modern politician does, no one will really take him to task. All of the so called scandals that have come up, any one of which would have taken down an authentic administration, are just farces played out for the public, to distract them, to make them think that the democracy is still working.

    One of the main factors to consider in terms of how a society can be taken over by a group of pathological deviants is that the psychopaths’ only limitation is the participation of susceptible individuals within that given society. Lobaczewski gives an average figure for the most active deviants of approximately 6% of a given population. (1% essential psychopaths and up to 5% other psychopathies and characteropathies.) The essential psychopath is at the center of the web. The others form the first tier of the psychopath’s control system.

    The next tier of such a system is composed of individuals who were born normal, but are either already warped by long-term exposure to psychopathic material via familial or social influences, or who, through psychic weakness have chosen to meet the demands of psychopathy for their own selfish ends. Numerically, according to Lobaczewski, this group is about 12% of a given population under normal conditions.

    So approximately 18% of any given population is active in the creation and imposition of a Pathocracy. The 6% group constitutes the Pathocratic nobility and the 12% group forms the new bourgeoisie, whose economic situation is the most advantageous.

    When you understand the true nature of psychopathic influence, that it is conscienceless, emotionless, selfish, cold and calculating, and devoid of any moral or ethical standards, you are horrified, but at the same time everything suddenly begins to makes sense. Our society is ever more soulless because the people who lead it and who set the example are soulless – they literally have no conscience.

    In his book Political Oenology, Andrej Lobaczewski explains that clinical psychopaths enjoy advantages even in non-violent competitions to climb the ranks of social hierarchies. Because they can lie without remorse (and without the telltale physiological stress that is measured by lie detector tests), psychopaths can always say whatever is necessary to get what they want. In court, for example, psychopaths can tell extreme bald-faced lies in a plausible manner, while their sane opponents are handicapped by an emotional predisposition to remain within hailing distance of the truth. Too often, the judge or jury imagines that the truth must be somewhere in the middle, and then issues decisions that benefit the psychopath. As with judges and juries, so too with those charged with decisions concerning who to promote and who not to promote in corporate, military and governmental hierarchies. The result is that all hierarchies inevitably become top-heavy with psychopaths. Since psychopaths have no limitations on what they can or will do to get to the top, the ones in charge are generally pathological. It is not power that corrupts, it is that corrupt individuals seek power.

    How can we distinguish between psychopaths and healthy people? What is the portrait of a true psychopath?

    Such a dangerous question has almost never been successfully asked. The reason is because we mistakenly confuse healthy for normal. Human psychological diversity is the health of our race. There is no normal because healthy humans continuously evolve beyond all normalizing standards. The terrorism of searching through hierarchies for anyone deviating from normal is no different from witch hunts or Inquisitions. You must remember that hierarchies thrive on such low dramas, torturing victims until they confess to evil beliefs. Not so long ago the church and state ongoingly acquired significant income and property through witch hunts and Inquisitions. This continued for over two hundred and fifty years. Ten generations of Europeans understood pogrom as normal life. Let us not return to that nightmare. Testing for normal is guaranteed to backfire in our face. There is no normal. But there is conscience.

    We have very little empirical evidence to support the idea that true psychopathy is the result of an abused childhood, and much empirical evidence to support that it is genetic. The neurobiological model offers us the greatest hope of being able to identify even the most devious psychopath. Other recent studies lead to similar results and conclusions: that psychopaths have great difficulty processing verbal and nonverbal affective (emotional) material, that they tend to confuse the emotional significance of events, and most importantly, that these deficits show up in brain scans! A missing internal connection between the feeling heart and the thinking brain is detectable.

    Psychopaths are incapable of authentic deep emotions. In fact, when Robert Hare, a Canadian psychologist who spent his career studying psychopathy, did brain scans on psychopaths while showing them two sets of words, one set of neutral words with no emotional associations and a second set with emotionally charged words, while different areas of the brain lit up in the non-psychopathic control group, in the psychopaths, both sets were processed in the same area of the brain, the area that deals with language. They did not have an emotional reaction until they intellectually concluded that it would be better if they had one, and then they whipped up an emotional response just for show.

    The simplest, clearest and truest portrait of the psychopath is given in the titles of three seminal works on the subject: Without Conscience by Robert Hare, The Mask of Sanity by Hervey Cleckley, and Snakes in Suits by Robert Hare and Paul Babiak. A psychopath is exactly that: conscienceless. The most important thing to remember is that this lack of conscience is hidden from view behind a mask of normality that is often so convincing that even experts are deceived. As a result, psychopaths become the Snakes in Suits that control our world.

    Psychopaths lack a sense of remorse or empathy with others. They can be extremely charming and are experts at using talk to charm and hypnotize their prey. They are also irresponsible. Nothing is ever their fault; someone else or the world at large is always to blame for all of their problems or their mistakes. Martha Stout, in her book The Sociopath Next Door, identifies what she calls the pity ploy. Psychopaths use pity to manipulate. They convince you to give them one more chance, and to not tell anyone about what they have done. So another trait – and a very important one – is their ability to control the flow of information.

    They also seem to have little real conception of past or future, living entirely for their immediate needs and desires. Because of the barren quality of their inner life, they are often seeking new thrills, anything from feeling the power of manipulating others to engaging in illegal activities simply for the rush of adrenaline.

    Another trait of the psychopath is what Lobaczewski calls their special psychological knowledge of normal people. They have studied us. They know us better than we know ourselves. They are experts in knowing how to push our buttons, to use our emotions against us. But beyond that, they even seem to have some sort of hypnotic power over us. When we begin to get caught up in the web of the psychopath, our ability to think deteriorates, gets muddied. They seem to cast some sort of spell over us. It is only later when we are no longer in their presence, out of their spell, that the clarity of thought returns and we find ourselves wondering how it was that we were unable to respond or counter what they were doing.

    Psychopaths learn to recognize each other in a crowd as early as childhood, and they develop an awareness of the existence of other individuals similar to themselves. They also become conscious of being of a different world from the majority of other people surrounding them. They view us from a certain distance.

    Think about the ramifications of this statement: Psychopaths are, to some extent, self-aware as a group even in childhood! Recognizing their fundamental difference from the rest of humanity, their allegiance would be to others of their kind, that is, to other psychopaths.

    Their own twisted sense of honor compels them to cheat and revile non-psychopaths and their values. In contradiction to the ideals of normal people, psychopaths feel breaking promises and agreements is normal behavior.

    Not only do they covet possessions and power and feel they have the right to them just because they exist and can take them, but they gain special pleasure in usurping and taking from others; what they can plagiarize, swindle, and extort are fruits far sweeter than those they can earn through honest labor. They also learn very early how their personalities can have traumatizing effects on the personalities of non-psychopaths, and how to take advantage of this root of terror for purposes of achieving their goals.

    So now, imagine how human beings who are totally in the dark about the presence of psychopaths can be easily deceived and manipulated by these individuals, gaining power in different countries, pretending to be loyal to the local populations while at the same time playing up obvious and easily discernable physical differences between groups (such as race, skin color, religion, etc). Psychologically normal humans would be set against one another on the basis of unimportant differences (think of Rwanda 1994, think of Israelis and Palestinians) while the deviants in power, with a fundamental difference from the rest of us, a lack of conscience, an inability to feel for another human being, reaped the benefits and pulled the strings.

    We are seeing the final desperate power-grab or endgame (Alex Jones) of brutal, cunning gangs of CIA drug-runners and President-killers; money-laundering international bankers and their hit-men – economic and otherwise; corrupt military contractors and gung-ho generals; corporate predators and their political enablers; brainwashers and mind-rapists euphemistically known as psy-ops and PR specialists – in short, the whole crew of certifiable psychopaths running our so-called civilization. And they are running scared.

    Why does the Pathocracy fear it is losing control? Because it is threatened by the spread of knowledge. The greatest fear of any psychopath is of being found out.

    Psychopaths go through life knowing that they are completely different from other people. Deep down they know something is missing in them. They quickly learn to hide their lack of empathy, while carefully studying others’ emotions so as to mimic normalcy while cold-bloodedly manipulating the normals.

    Today, thanks to new information technologies, we are on the brink of unmasking the psychopaths and building a civilization of, by and for the healthy human being – a civilization without war, a civilization based on truth, a civilization in which the saintly few rather than the diabolical few would gravitate to positions of power. We already have the knowledge necessary to diagnose psychopathic personalities and keep them out of power. We have the knowledge necessary to dismantle the institutions in which psychopaths especially flourish – militaries, intelligence agencies, large corporations, and secret societies. We simply need to disseminate this knowledge, and the will to use it, as widely and as quickly as possible.

    Until the knowledge and awareness of pathological human beings is given the attention it deserves and becomes part of the general knowledge of all human beings, there is no way that things can be changed in any way that is effective and long-lasting. If half the people agitating for truth or stopping the war or saving the earth would focus their efforts, time and money on exposing psychopathy, we might get somewhere.

    One might ask if the weak point of our society has been our tolerance of psychopathic behavior? Our disbelief that someone could seem like an intelligent leader and still be acting deceptively on their own behalf without conscience? Or is it merely ignorance?

    If the general voting public is not aware that there exists a category of people we sometimes perceive as almost human, who look like us, who work with us, who are found in every race, every culture, speaking every language, but who are lacking conscience, how can the general public take care to block them from taking over the hierarchies? General ignorance of psychopathology may prove to be the downfall of civilization. We stand by like grazing sheep as political / corporate elites throw armies of our innocent sons and daughters against fabricated enemies as a way of generating trillions in profits, vying against each other for pathological hegemony.

    Nearly everyone who has been part of an organization working for social change has probably seen the same dynamic play out: The good and sincere work of many can be destroyed by the actions of one person. That doesn’t bode well for bringing some sort of justice to the planet! In fact, if psychopaths dominate political hierarchies, is it any wonder that peaceful demonstrations have zero impact on the outcome of political decisions? Perhaps it is time to choose something other than massive, distant hierarchies as a way of governing ourselves?

    So many efforts to provide essays, research reports, exposés and books to leaders so they might take the new information to heart and change their behavior have come to naught. For example, in the final paragraph of his revised edition of the book, The Party’s Over, Richard Heinberg writes:

    I still believe that if the people of the world can be helped to understand the situation we are in, the options available, and the consequences of the path we are currently on, then it is at least possible that they can be persuaded to undertake the considerable effort and sacrifice that will be entailed in a peaceful transition to a sustainable, locally based, decentralized, low-energy, resource-conserving social regime. But inspired leadership will be required.

    And that is the just-murdered fantasy. There are no inspired leaders anymore. And in hierarchical structures there can’t be. Assuming that you can elect men or women to office who will see reason and the light of day, and who will change and learn and grow, make compassionate decisions and take conscientious actions… is a foolish, childish dream. Continuing to dream it simply plays into psychopathic agendas.

    Only when the 75% of humanity with a healthy conscience come to understand that we have a natural predator, a group of people who live amongst us, viewing us as powerless victims to be freely fed upon for achieving their inhuman ends, only then will we take the fierce and immediate actions needed to defend what is preciously human. Psychological deviants have to be removed from any position of power over people of conscience, period. People must be made aware that such individuals exist and must learn how to spot them and their manipulations. The hard part is that one must also struggle against those tendencies to mercy and kindness in oneself in order not to become prey.

    The real problem is that the knowledge of psychopathy and how psychopaths rule the world has been effectively hidden. People do not have the adequate, nuanced knowledge they need to really make a change from the bottom up. Again and again, throughout history it has been meet the new boss, same as the old boss. If there is any work that is deserving of full time efforts and devotion for the sake of helping humanity in this present dark time, it is the study of psychopathy and the propagation of this information as far and wide and fast as possible.

    There are only two things that can bring a psychopath under submission:
    1. A bigger psychopath.
    2. The non-violent, absolute refusal to submit to psychopathic controls no matter the consequences (non-violent noncompliance).

    Let us choose path 2! If individuals simply sat down and refused to lift a hand to further one single aim of the psychopathic agenda, if people refused to pay taxes, if soldiers refused to fight, if government workers and corporate drones and prison guards refused to go to work, if doctors refused to treat psychopathic elites and their families, the whole system would grind to a screeching halt.

    True change happens in the moment that a person becomes aware of psychopathy in all its chilling details. From this new awareness, the world looks different, and entirely new actions can be taken. Distinguishing between human and psychopathic qualities begins the foundation of responsibility upon which we have a real chance to create sustainable culture.

    • Scared To Death

      That is the information on narcissists that the public needs to understand when selecting their leaders. However, you know darn well that not everybody, in fact, hardly anybody is going to stop cooperating with the narcissist. The narcissist invokes fear and threatens death and unemployment and will pay people off and kill people when it’s in his best interest.

      Again, people, your government is not going to give your freedoms back without a fight. That includes the line up of Republican politicians vying for the presidency.

    • BrotherPatriot


      Scary stuff! To me it shows the eternal struggle of good vrs evil and perhaps why it never will end.

      God Bless.

    • libertytrain

      Mark, I believe/ed/ that most folks here have been well aware of this – it’s nothing new to me.

  • Greg T

    Can’t drink that kool-aid with ya.

    The Tea Party made great gains and simply upset the establishment in 2010. Please don’t get distracted by this stuff.

    The reason the establishment/career politicians speak the way they do about Ron Paul & Sarah Palin is that they are concerned about loosing power/control/the status quo. That very fact means that we still hold the power, not them.

    Keep volunteering, voting and simply staying involved or that will not be the case in the future. If we happen to win big again, then waste a bunch of resources and political clout researching these conspiracy theories like the Republican Congress did on Monica Lewinsky and the definition of is, is. Anyone who worked for government knows they are too incompetent to make 911 happen and get away with it. The shucking and jiving they did in the 911 report was to escape blame for being incompetent.

  • Mary Hollaway

    I have known for quite some time now that what Bob says about 9/11 is true. The only things he doesn’t address are the “suicides” of some witnesses and survivors and the million dollar payouts to the witnesses and survivors that didn’t commit “suicide”. And the complete cover-up of the hijackers that were sent to Brooks and Lackland AFB language schools in San Antonio TX to learn English. You can Google it, the only explanation Lackand AFB has is the mixup or the identity theft of the hijackers and students. Lame excuse. Why hasn’t this been pursued? And where did the 17 Middle Eastern students go when they disappeared from the Lackand AFB Language School a couple of years ago. Where are they and what are they planning?

  • george

    I’ve been asking all these questions. However there’s a more obvious and pressing question nobody seems to ask, including you Bob Livingston. When a crime is committed, the investigation always seeks a motive. Apparently to inquire about the motive for the 9-11 attack is taboo.

    Why do you lack the courage to tackle the question of motive Bob? It seems obvious that the motive behind these attacks can explain virtually all of this country’s troubles in the middle east. “Why they hate us” so much is obviously at issue, and the answer is certainly no mystery. Yet with all of the speculation going on, motive seems to be off limits. Why is that, Bob Livingston?


    • Bob Livingston

      Dear George,

      Lack the courage? Hardly. The motive is simple: money and power. The shadow government (CIA/intelligence apparatus/military industrial complex) perpetrated, or at least facilitated, the attack for the purpose of enriching itself (see CIA contractors like Blackwater and the perpetual “War on Terror”) plus the growth of Homeland Security, the erosion of our rights (USA Patriot Act, See Something-Say Something) and an increasingly submissive populace.

      Best wishes,

      • hicusdicus

        I have heard it all now! Its time for the world to end.

  • Mike

    I can’t 100% sure say it was an inside job but even if it wasn’t, the govt took full advantage of it to suit their imperialist urges. Why didn’t we bomb the saudi’s? They attacked us not afghanistan, plus why the need for regime change/nation building? Why not just glass parking lot em and be done with it? (no need for troops or occupation)
    Either way everything that followed was the govt’s fault.

    What I find funny is if you remember sept 11, 2001 and watched it on tv, you will remember that within a few hours the headline on the screen on every channel was “ATTACK ON AMERICA”. Now think this, how did the mainstream media know that the attack was carried out by foreigners instead of domestic terrorists? The headline “ATTACK ON AMERICA” obviously proclaims that it was by a foreign source. It wasn’t til a day or 2 later that they started showing the video of taliban celebrating the attack. They used that video to blame the taliban regardless of if they actually did it or not. All that video shows is that they hate america, not proof of them doing it. I’m sure a whole lot of countries that hate america celebrated it, simply because they hate us.
    Secondly, how did the media get there so fast? Where they already there filming waiting for it? It was only an hour and a half between plane crashes, that’s not a lot of time to gather a film crew and reporters given the fact they were there at least 45 minutes before the second crash. A traffic news helicopter could have gotten there in minutes but not the ground film crew which was there.

    Why did we invade Iraq? WMD’s was just an excuse, everyone knows that. Oil isn’t the only reason, there’s no oil in afghanistan. Look at the new US military bases prior to 9/11, poland and kosovo. Both of these bases Hillary Clinton admitted missiles were being pointed at the russian federation, both afghanistan and iraq are on the southern flanks of the former USSR and both surround iran. Shortly afterwards when georgia brought in troops to try to ethnically cleanse ossetians and abkhazians they were backed by the US and abkhazians and ossetians begged russia to defend them, which they did leading to the independence of south ossetia and abkhazia. The US only backed georgia in an attempt to surround russia’s southern flank. Why does the US back turkey but not greece or armenia? Turkey can easily block russian access to the mediterranean via the hellespont. George Soros admits to funding revolutions in serbia, georgia and ukraine against russia and milosevic. A lot of oil in europe comes from siberia via a pipeline through ukraine, in the balkans they have been working on a pipeline from turkey to western europe through the balkans, a good reason to get rid of pro-russian milosevic as the pipeline goes through serbia. This balkan pipeline of middle-eastern oil to western europe has one purpose, to get oil from anywhere that isn’t russia. Think about it, they already have a russian pipeline, they already get enough oil from russia, why do you need another source? China wants oil too, what’s directly in between China and oil rich countries? Afghanistan, if China wanted middle-eastern oil instead of russian oil they would need a pipeline from iran to afghanistan or could this be just the US blocking any chance for chinese western expansion into resource rich areas?

    My fellow conspiracy nuts, contemplate the new cold war. It’s still against russia but has absolutely nothing to do with communism this time. By the way did it really have to do with communism last time? We traded with red china in the 80′s but not russia or cuba because of communism yet we had no problem buying cheap goods from red china. I think it started pf anti communist in the 50′s and even during vietnam (even though at the end of ww2 we America and the UK delivered yugoslavia into the hands of communist tito by betraying draza and their king. Hungary, romania, bulgaria as well into the hands of communists)but what happened in the 80′s, we buy cheap stuff from communist china yet we backed bin laden and the taliban against russia because of the spread of communism. if reagan was so anti-communist why did we start trading with the red chinese at around the same time?

    • libertytrain

      One thing, your question – the film crew – etc. How’d they get there so fast? They were in New York – filled with journalists, TV news centers – a plane hit the tower, that’s kind of really big news….. I can’t buy that part of your questions — journalists hover and reside in places like NY, Washington DC – waiting for news. You know that.

  • Another Voice

    All of these conspiracy theories are pure BS. You guys keep saying that our government is so incompetent – so if that’s the case, how were they able to pull off something like this?

    That whole thing about the passport is a lie, by the way. It was something that got started on the internet by somebody who had way too much time on his hands.

  • jerry mcdonald

    you also left out Rumsfeld speech on television the night before about missing billions of dollars.It played on the networks.No one really talks about the people i the building 7.Fbi,cia,police,or the gold underneath,

  • Sam I am

    If the result of 911 was the current police state we live in now, imagine what a major bio attack would do… We would have to be scanned by police wearing full biohazard suits to go use the crapper. All in the name of keeping us safe. All in the name of supposedely preventing a cause of death that is far, far less likely (death by terrorism) then other cuases of death such as automobile accidents. Far more people die in their cars or by drug complications than by terroism in this country. Why hasn’t NATO drawn up plans to bomb drug makers and deficient DMVs and automakers in this country with depleted uranium rounds? Why aren’t they nuking macdonalds, whose food probably ends up killing thousands if not millions later in life due to heart attacks and stroke?

  • Richard

    We needed an excuse to pass the patriot act (to make people less “free”) and start the multi trillion war we started, it’s all about controlling energy resources and regime shaping for the future.
    They did a great implosion job, I must say, and yes, you have to break eggs in the form of american soldiers and civilians to make an omelette, there had to be strong emotions to justify what we were about to do.
    People in general are just more concerned on sports and pretty things to care, we are pretty dumb for the most part. As long as we feel “free” to eat and watch sports, who cares. Little do we know, the water is getting hot and we are like frogs cooking. We are like fat cattle getting ready for going on a fun field trip to market. Mooooooo Remember; we are home of the free and brave lol


    When viewing the scope of world power; when viewing the scope of ambition, the power of pride and envy one can only speculate about the depth of perfidy to which a person will stoop to bring himself to a god-like position before the world. When Satan took Christ up on a high place and offered Him the kingdoms of the world if Christ would bow down and worship him (Satan)Christ turned him down. I don’t think Satan stopped there, I believe he kept looking until he found someone to accept the offer. And I believe he found ‘his man’ and I believe “the man” passed the mantel down and it became a generational chain from that day until the present. It has been advanced by the radical revolutionary “left” that the “Bible” is the number one impediment to “World Control.” Think that one out!!
    Also, I believe before this present push for world government is complete 2/3rds of the worlds population will have been murdered. Satanic forces will not be reluctant to the murder of billions if they can just take over the world. Promise of wealth and power is Satans bait.

  • Mary Hollaway

    Has anyone questioned the other coverup for 9/11: Carlton Bartels who worked for Cantor Fitzgerald in the North Tower WTC. All employees perished. Mindbox – I would think that 7 trillion dollars would be a good reason. Coincidence or cover-up?

  • Gringo Infidel

    A conspiracy? Really?

    You are suggesting that a government that cannot balance its own budget can concoct AND carry out such an undertaking? A CIA and NSA that cannot penetrate the Kremlin or Tehran can carry out this?


    It is admirable to question but your supposition is just that – supposed leaps of faith just as suggesting that any government agency could pull it off.

    Hey, maybe Chuck Norris knows or maybe Rambo.

    • BrotherPatriot

      They dont WANT to balance the budget. They want anarchy and to divide us. It helps set the stage for what is coming in the attempts to create their one world government…the NWO.

      God Bless & keep up the much needed research.

    • RWS

      I’m not sure about all the information swirling around about a potential conspiracy becuase I haven’t looked much into(but I plan to) but I will say this: If 19 hijackers based out of a cave with a few so called master minds could pull this off, why do you think people either in our govt. or working somewhere in the background of our govt. would be incapable of pulling off the same thing? If they could devise this plan in a cave and carry it out on our soil, it isn’t so hard to believe that others connected in the govt. could do the same thing, right?

    • Jay

      Gringo, you’d be shocked at what our so-called government is capable of. Btw, you should’t call them the government. They are anything but the government. More like evil, blood-thirsty, vampires!

  • Christin

    Bob Livingston,

    SUPER article…. thanks for the facts and pointing out the discrepancies in the 9/11 stories.

    I was just talking to my spouse on the way home Monday about 9/11 being a false flag and probable inside job explaining about the QUICK sale of the Twin Towers’ steel to China and the way the buildings fell in sequence like a demolition, so when we got home and I read your article, I had him sit down and read it, too.

    I know it is hard to find out our American gov with co-conspirators is guilty of planning such an event on American soil willing to kill so many innocent American people, but hey… if you believe their is a puppet show playing in D.C. and the evil globalists are manipulating the currencies & economies, and the life & death of the populations, and peace & war of the nations, then you can handle this, too.

    Thanks for such a detailed write up on 9/11 to get everyone’s brain cells activated.

    PS. I wish the ‘designers and builders’ in New York had just built more tall buildings with a bronzed-like statue of the original Twin Towers somewhere on the grounds and wall of names going around them somewhat like the Vietnam memorial. I do not like setting all this land up like a funeral home or cemetery. It should be a Productive place again for America to show that we Recovered and stand STRONG.

    • Christin

      Just wanted to add that ‘terrorism,’ ‘the threats of terrorism,’ ‘gov ‘planned Sharia Law Islamic muslim immigration (normally European),’ ‘Homeland Security(Conservative Americas are Terrorist)’, and ‘TSA for flight travelers’ are all Shackles of Slavery and Loss of Freedoms…

      …we have lost, have we not?

  • AugieD

    Welcome to the MACHINE.(Pink Floyd) This is the new reality! A machine that chews people up and spits them out. This is Big Government, Big Business, Big Pharma, Big Chemical. “The Industrial-Military Complex”. And yes, slavery is it’s goal.

    9-11, is the mark of “homeland terrorism”, of the ultimate kind. One in which people will have the most difficulty wrapping their head around. That the very people elected and/or hired to run our world, our daily lives, our jobs, have turned on us. There is a psychological barrier that people have. One that won’t allow an individual to believe that their own government can turn against the citizens. That we also must believe that we wear the white hats…we’re the good guys. If not, our whole way of life has been a sham. IT HAS!

    “Welcome To The Jungle” (Gun’s N’ Roses) It’s King of the Jungle time, King of the Mountain. But played for real. With real people, real lives.

    Alexander Solzhenictsyn said ” A State of War Only Serves As An Excuse For Domestic Tyranny”

    The internet has plenty of information on 9-11. There are many books written. Physics majors, mathematicians, architectural engineers, ex-military, demolition experts, have agreed on one thing, that two high-rise towers don’t collapse from a plane crash or the residual fire. Jet fuel is purified Kerosene. It openly burns at 600 to 800 degrees. Not the 1800 to 2600 degrees needed to soften steel or melt it. A welding/cutting torch can reach those temperature because it uses compressed Oxygen to enrich the burn. Otherwise, every-time we use a gas grill, we’d have to go out and buy a new one, because the damn thing melted each time we used it.

    Believe nothing that you can’t see, and only half what you can. Only God will give us the solution. Man and his kind will only hand you a rotten banana.

  • Fixyourself

    Thermite is NOT an explosive. Traces of thermite SHOULD be at EVERY site where a commercial airplane catches on fire.

    There may be questions about who, what, and why – but it doesn’t help when one of your arguments is as ill-informed as the Thermite one!

  • Michaelmhi

    You and I are all just VIRTUAL SLAVES in a world where you don’t ware chains or are you being bodily tortured but being treated in such a manner all the same mentaly and the longer we have these task masters in charge of us we are all in danger, and i don’t know how many of you believe in the all mighty but i’m pretty darn sure he didn’t mean for us to be hearded around like cattle by who ever has the most money, i think a system of living is order but not by a dictator’s means life should not be this hard to exist, just water on this planet no matter how much is used the same amount remains on the planet in the end, the same with food, clothing and everything else, material thing’s should not cost more and more every year, why can’t things stay the same? because of greed that’s why !, these problems will remain as long as greed rules us,…..every man is created equal.,..period !!!,….excuse my spelling, been a while.

  • Tim

    Planes arem are of very light material its no wonder why there was very little remains as for building 7 the right hand corner of the build was highly damaged and the owner of the building did not want to risk any more of FDNY’s men to try to save it. as for thermite present in the rubble I dont know for sure but i know thermite is also used for welding if there were any work being done in those buildings I would be suprised to see the presents of thermite as for Buhses stupid comments on see the first plane hit, well how many mis- statments has he made thought his presidency, as for the other theroies there are many ways to debunk it. Its been Ten years people many fathers, Husbands, wives and children did come home that day. thats what we should be focusing on.

  • Tim

    that was supposed to be Did Not come, sorry

  • Bill the war monger

    One thing I will say is that they were a serise of mis cues, F-ups if you will on many fronts. I think The President, CIA, FBI, our Military , FDNY& NYPD and all the rest would rather that day not happened. to say it was a Flase flag event is easy to do it was a crazy day full of death and destruction, so if not terroists then who organized it Bush? hes not smart enough. to pull of a cospiracy of this level would take Hundreads of thousands of people and equal amount of dollars. Yeah some things dont add up but I bet I we could recreate that scenario it would happen the same way all over again

  • Bob from SoCal

    The World Trade center was a false flag attack, used by the Globalists to further their plans of world domination. We have been used by these evil banksters for far to long now. Its time for this to stop. Raise hell with your representatives until we get results, instead of being ignored.

  • http:Google C.B.

    Anthony:::::::::: Couldn’t have said it better myself. And the remote being used would make a lot of sense. Of course I could add old George ,,poor excuse for a human being,,Soros, to that distinguished group of depraved elitists. Money and power is the name of this game and us lowly mortals just end up being either played or labeled as : Inconvenient obstacles if we show a modicum of insight or worse yet; willingness to fight back. God bless and overlook the sceptics.

  • Speak2Truth

    WTC Building 7 sustained severe structural damage before the fire, which burned for hours, finally weakened it enough to bring it down. The building was struck by a massive piece of one of the falling WTC towers that ripped out a large section of its lower structure and caused damage higher up. You can see the photos here:

    WTC Building 7 Collapse – the detailed NIST report with photos

    This is not surprising. A mere gasoline truck crash brought down the steel and concrete freeway bridge in Oakland, on the 580 freeway. Fire warms up metal. Every degree of temperature increase softens the metal. When it is warm enough, it can no longer sustain the loads that the structure was designed for.

    As in the main tower collapses, severe structural damage followed by persistent fire weakened the structures enough that they could no longer sustain their weight.

    If you watch the National Geographic footage of the main WTC tower collapses, you can actually see the collapse process happen. The corner of the building buckles slowly, due to the heat of the fire, then gives way.

    I find your alarmism highly suspect. Perhaps you simply have not researched original-source information on these matters. I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt by saying so.

  • http://foxfire Lisa Lee

    Just an interjection: the type of conspiracy that Bob’s story alludes to would require actions by multiple people, which would in turn require a cover-up by many more people. It is just not possible or probable that a cover-up of this magnitude would remain a secret. When you have more than two people with knowledge of a secret, it does not remain a secret. When it involves the government and especially an administration that had many, many enemies and antagonists, believe me someone(s)would gladly “out” a conspiracy of this magnitude. This is just too big to stay hidden. Human nature would not allow it. Do we have all the answers? No and we probably never will. But a conspiracy like this would be “too big to hide”.

    • AugieD

      There only needs to be 2 or 3 individuals who know all aspects. [Inner Circle] Then 5 to 7 who acted on behalf of pre-issued orders of command. [Outer Circle] Then a multitude who only perform their job as outlined by procedural code. The top 10 are in it for life. No one in the outer circle or the remaining elements know enough to bring down the perpetrators. Each person in the remaining multitude are just a single piece to the puzzle.

      Suggested reading: “The New Pearl Harbor” by David Ray Griffen, Olive Branch Press.

      There have been and will be many more needless deaths, while a governing class of individuals take aim for world dominance. By saying it’s not possible, you demonstrate that It Is!

      By Gods grace alone, will we survive this.

  • JimO

    Well, Bob, I think you’re nuts, for once. A lot of very generalized “why” questions at the end. I am with the majority of Americans on this, because I am not a “Truther” like this essay essentially says you are. I think we were very blessed that the passport miraculously appeared, almost undamaged. I think we were very blessed that the towers fell straight down (I’m sure most people expected the towers to fall like a tree falls, which would have been even more disastrous).
    People seem to forget that because our nation was founded by a bunch of Christian patriots (a fact that revisionist historians try to cover up), God has been protecting our country in amazing ways. QED.

    • AugieD

      Wow, I am truly amazed at your level of acceptance. That (1), the U.S. is a christian nation founded on christian values. And (2), that God somehow let over Two Thousand people die a horrible death, while keeping two buildings from falling in a natural method, like rotating with a sideways lean, pulling the building out of it’s footprint, due to it’s off-sided off center of gravity destruction. How convenient!

      So as George W. Bush put it; “only countries that operate from Hate build weapons of mass destruction”. He was correct, the U.S. has and uses one of the worlds largest arsenals of “weapons of mass destruction”. How Christian of us!

  • Gordon in Texas

    This is not the first time those in power in the US government created an event to further their own goals and, I suspect, it will not be the last. Anyone who questions the government or its questionable acts is labeled a fool. But the only fools are the people who accept ridiculous excuses and scenarios as fact. The 9/11 Commission report has more holes in it than the Warren Commission report on the assassination of JFK. In that case, the government was able to convince a very naive American public that a bullet can change its trajectory in flight. The gains by those in power at the time of the 9/11 attack are many and the American people lost many freedoms with the ensuing laws and acts that resulted from a very paranoid government.

    We now have a drowning president who is grasping at oars to stay above the water line. Desperate people (and governments) do desperate things to achieve their goals. I wouldn’t be surprised to see something happen in the US in the near future that is designed to bring the American people together…and make the sitting president look like a hero.

  • http://aol Bill

    Didn’t bush order attack on Iraq first, even though all evidence show Afganistan was the cause?????

  • Bruce R Porter Sr

    Gotta tell you, as I watched the towers come down the first thing out of my mouth was “that’s impossible, that’s a controlled demolition” My wife asked how I knew and I said look at the buildings, falling straight down. That’s how you demolish buildings.
    The whole Pentagon deal is just stupid.
    However, the reason nobody is asking questions is that they are afraid, very afraid. Look at what happened to all of the witnesses to the Kennedy assassination…
    Look at what’s happening with immigration…the country is being carved up
    You probably couldn’t find 56 people in the country to sign a new Declaration of Independence. And the slavers know it.
    I was in Viet Nam, I’m a combat wounded veteran. I saw how our government simply used us. Lied to get us there and then kept pulling us back when we’d win and telling the NVA when we’d send B52s etc.
    But most Americans will just do the ostrich. The rest are actively against the idea of a democratic republic. About 35% will cheer when the country is destroyed.

  • john doe

    not even one muslim hijacker was on one of these planes, if we may me believe they hijacked 4 planes.
    the only 2 planes that were vissible were unmanned flights that flew into the wtc with all the passengers. there is no way that these were hijacked by terrorists. you have to be blind to believe that an airplane hit the pentagon or crashed in pensylvania. anybody who denies this is the biggest fool in the world. everything has been set up by our evil government!!! the puppetmasters are doing there job well. every year we memorize this ”evil terrorist act” with propaganda docu’s and movies. if you watch it over and over again you will eventualy believe ”the true story” of how it all happend. the mass media will do the rest to convince you of the official story. sleep allong fools! a new world order has rissen..

    • dale

      I was watching public TV ch 9 some time back on McVeigh bombing , a news flash came on 2 vidios of a rocket launching from a boat and hitting a air plane, they played it 1 time, now they have a movie of how the plane blowed up from a spark in the fuel tank, and the people that try to make a bomb like McVeigh in Oklahoma , on the same kind of building made by same contractor ? and bomb specialists at that, it only knocked out the windows and cracked the pavement, and was nothing like what happend, hummmm cant think that we are being lied to realy ?

  • Buckeye

    Have any of you ever seen a plane crash where no pieces big enough to identify the plane could be found???? We had two such cases in one day.At the pentagon they found aircraft wheels but they did not fit the plane that was supposed to have crashed!!!!!!!!! Bush said because of the extreme heat the planes melted so nothing was left. {ANYONE BELIEVE THAT?????}

  • BrotherPatriot

    I am posting this on numerous articles just to make sure other people have a chance to see it. I also would like to try & end this article with something positive.

    This came from my retired Grandfather who was a Commander in the Navy.


    God Bless.

  • Palin12

    Bill Clinton calls 911 truthers “idiots”:

  • Randy Rolloff

    It’s interesting reading, what can be done about it at this point? After all this time I don’t think there’ll be any investigation, so sadly these questions/theories will join other conspiracy theories from past history. I do concur with Ron paul’s ideas about ending most if not all of our foreign occupation. Secure our borders, take care of the U.S. First! It does make for interesting reading.

  • roger

    it never ceases to amaze me when people are so blind not to see the obvious right in front of them. How did center 7 fall? Open your eyes. If you can’t see it the reason is because you have a brain blockage.

    It was taken down. You were supposed to be fooled even more because the other plane that crashed was supposed to hit center 7…..Wake up.

    Realize that the government has propaganda in place to call the people that are aware names. Think about it. Why would anyone want to call names of people that are trying to wake up the dead. So pay no attention to the people on here that call names of the people that are awake. If your on the verge of seeing….just open your eyes…

  • Jane

    I guess when you refer to the Democratic Party as the DemocratIC party,,, I will take you seriously.

  • rob

    I don’t believe it was the military. It was orchestrated by the super rich that run the world. Probably members of the CFR and other secret societies. They control the world governments, elections, and the media. I don’t think our government planned it but they may have known about it. All these wars have bankrupted the country, and the rich are not hurting. It’s the poor and quickly evaporating middle class that are hurting. Like Buffett says “there is a class warfare and my class is winning”. Attention rich people. Better start paying up what you owe us or we will take what you have…by force if necessary. Way more of us than there are of you.

  • Russ

    I have no doubt that the U.S. Government could have done a lot better job in dealing with this matter both before and after it happened. On the other hand, all of the comments implying that the buildings were brought down by explosives previously planted in the buildings is just a lot of BS. The U.S. Government did not bring down the buildings and kill around 3000 people. This idea is only in the minds of people with vivid imaginations and attempts to make themselves seem important. Because of the large hot fire the steel supporting structure got soft enough so that the weight of the building above the weakened steel was enough to cause a hammer like effect bashing down the floors below. No one can know how much of the steel structure was demolished because of the impact of the aircraft hitting it and no one can ever know exactly how thw heating of the steel structure may have weakened it beyond failure and the collapse. All the conjecture about the two toweras and the adjacent building that collapsed is just that,”conjecture” at best and is only good for conversations at cocktail parties , or after the ball game is over on TV.

  • Frank Montez

    Very few people understand what is going around us and if the truth were told ,they wouldn`t believe it. Go to Archangel Gabriel Inc, than make your choice. Its bigger than you think. The physical laws are subject to the spiritual laws. Satan has you where he wants you and you choose him. Wait till you die and you will die sooner than you think. All of this can be avoided but we won`t do it. These are the final years of our existance. Bye !

  • LadyGreenEyes

    People have survived crashes where the experts could not exlain how. Sitting, alive, in intact seats, and somehow not dying from the distance fallen. If that can happen, then a passport can survive as well. Sucked out a window, perhaps.

    Rumsfeld stating that more terrorist attacks were going to happen was simply common sense, not some “hint” that he knew of this specific attack ahead of time.

    Cell phones on places? Of course! In the 1990 movie Die Hard 2, they communicated from the PLANE. Yert this article would have us believe it wasn’t possible in 2001? Really?

    Debris from plane crashes can, and virtually always DOES, scatter over a wide area. This isn’t a mystery, and no one with a shred of common sense sees this as something to be questioned.

    There are going to be inflammable materials (that’s right, the word is “inflammable”, NOT “flammable”) in a large building, that, when ignited, could explode. Of course, the terrorists could have planted explosives as well, just like they did in 1993. This isn’t some mystery.

    The ONLY questions are what happened with the defenses that should have, at the least, stopped the flight from hitting the Pentagon. That, though, is not an indication of some “inside job”. Wise up, people! The “inside job” nonsense was started by MUSLIMS. The same people that cheered in the streets when they attacked us. The same ones that vow to kill all non-Muslims. Supporting this theory is supporting them.

  • dale

    the no# 1 ? is what happend to all of the gold and silver ? near 2 trillion in gold and 400 billion in silver gone never recovered, this was a world reserve holding every ones gold and silver,

  • MindOpenWhy

    The reason that “illuminati” spelled backwards with .com after it takes you to the NSA is because the guy, John Fenley, who owns the domain has the page set up to redirect to the NSA website.

    So pretty much anybody could buy a domain and have it redirect to whatever site they wish.

    Even more interesting is this, showing what the website used to look like before the owner decide to have it redirect to NSA:

    Note that the registar info for refers to the owner as a certain John Fenley with the email “” and the 2004 version of the page links to a website called “” and also has a link to that email addy at the bottom. Guess he got bored with the original website…

    Beware your own confirmation bias…we all have a tendency to believe “facts” that support what we already believe…and the only argument often made boils down to “the facts all fit so it has to be true”.

    I bet you got shivers if you typed in and saw it take you to the NSA site – because it “confirmed” what you already “knew” to be “true”…and even if you are “anti-conspiracy” theory, but have that open mindedness that allows you to consider the possibility, that for a second it had you scratching your head…but then you dig further and it has a simple explanation.

    But this is America and all have a right to free speech. Just be prepared for those with authentic critical thinking skills to challenge you.

    These debates are important whatever you believe. And the best hope for them to bear the authentic fruit of truth is when civility is maintained and people of opposing views can hash it out and still respect each other at the end of it all.

    But most importantly each of us must possess or be willing to cultivate an ability to accept that what we most passionately believe may not be the full story and that is the most difficult part.

  • Mark M

    “According to media reports, a number of the passengers on the hijacked airliners supposedly used cellphones to call loved ones and authorities. But cellphone technology in 2001 didn’t allow the use of phones above 10,000 feet. How were the calls possible?”

    It was I guess possible bellow 10,000 feet but…

    Other than that, I must agree that there was no planes no crews and no passengers and buildings had been destroyed by demolition team. How to destroy such a strong armored structure is a matter of precise engineering of devastating explosions believed to be originated with nuclear weapon. That can also explain why building 7 collapsed.

    1.Start war to gain control of Middle East countries with oil deliberately driving our retarded crowd with slogans “Wanted Dead or Alive” bonfireing patriotism.
    2.Insurance claim
    3.Media, press
    4.Freedom Tower contract

    Mr Bush with his mastermind dad even more deserve to be in place of Saddam! Guilty as charged — bloodthirsty greedy criminals that have reached the champion level of sacrificed human lives vs. even all Middle East dictators combined.

  • Rockyvnvmv

    The very 1st thought that came inyo my mind, after hearing about the 9/11 attacks, was that Geo. H. W. Bush, as .former spy master & Pres. was behind all of this, aomehow…
    Then I swallowed the offical tale & supported the wars…. military training, I guess…

  • JD Evans

    I’m a structural engineer. When I saw the Towers on fire my first thought was “How the heck are the buildings still standing??” Because I knew the fires would weaken the steel members and cause a collapse. Every student of structural steel design and every fire fighter learns that the greatest danger when a building is on fire is the sudden collapse of steel columns and beams when the material loses strength as it heats up. There have been MANY steel buildings collapsing and killing fire fighters, esp. those who were walking along roofs. Contrary to Rosie O’Donnell’s inane comment, the Twin Towers’ steel didn’t “melt.” It didn’t have to.

  • bmpaz

    Your article is a little too naive of the American intelligence and security apparatus. This is the same apparatus that couldn’t stop an underwear bomber from getting on a plane even AFTER the own bomber’s dad turned him in to authorities. That couldn’t stop an idiot with a bomb in his shoe, he was caught by an alert passenger already on the plane. We still have yet another government acronym (TSA) that doesn’t have the first clue about real security. We STILL have a border with more holes than Swiss cheese. All of this is the case AFTER 9/11 and it would be hard for terrorists to get in this country and do harm? Are you kidding me? Don’t tell me our ‘vast intelligence network’ should have stopped the 9/11 terrorists and that is the premise that 9/11 was an inside job? Even IF we had know all the culprits before hand, names and addresses, this current administration and the last one, is so damned crippled by political correctness they wouldn’t have done anything about it before hand anyway. We’re a bunch of idiots when it comes to security. Nobody would have to work that hard to do us harm.


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