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Presidential Kill List Makes A Casualty Of Another Amendment

February 6, 2013 by  

Presidential Kill List Makes A Casualty Of Another Amendment
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NBC News has obtained a confidential Justice Department memo that outlines the “legal” reasoning behind the decision of the President Barack Obama Administration that it can kill American citizens on a whim.

The white paper states that attacks will take place anywhere outside the United States and that an “informed, high-level” official of the U.S. government may determine that the targeted American has been “recently” involved in “activities” posing a threat of a violent attack. Chillingly, the paper says no clear evidence that the person poses an imminent threat against the United States, its citizens or interests is necessary to justify the targeted assassination. Nor does it define “recently” or “activities.”

For justification of taking the drone war anywhere, the paper cites Congressional authorization that gave President George W. Bush the basis to respond to the 9/11 attacks.

Congress abdicated its responsibility in 2001 when it gave Bush the open-ended authority to send U.S. troops anywhere in the world he wanted to conduct the “war on terror.” With the expansion of the use of drones the mission has begun to creep, as these missions do, and Obama has one-upped Bush. Now, in addition to foreigners, the Obama Administration has decided that it can kill any Americans it decides have demonstrated “terrorist” tendencies — even if they dined at the Pentagon as guests of the United States just months prior to being put on the kill list, as is the case with Anwar al-Awlaki.

As of now, government lawyers have not decided that Americans can be targeted for assassination on U.S. soil. They can, however, be “disappeared” thanks to the National Defense Authorization Act, which allows for the indefinite detention without habeas corpus of any American the government decides is a terrorist or terrorist sympathizer. And the list of who is a “terrorist” seems to grow by the day.

But as the “mission” and the very definition of “terrorist” continue to expand, it defies belief to think that now that Americans on foreign soil no longer have 5th Amendment protections, any semblance of 5th Amendment protections exist for any Americans anywhere.

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Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American who has been writing a newsletter since 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • TML

    “Were the target of a lethal operation a U.S. citizen who may have rights under the Due Process Clause and the Fourth Amendment, that individual’s citizenship would not immunize him from a lethal operation. Under the traditional due process balancing analysis of Mathews v. Eldridge, we recognize that there is no private interest more weighty than a person’s interest in his life. But that interest must be balanced against the United State’ interest in forestalling the threat of violence and death to other Americans that arises from an individual who is a senior operational leader of al-Qaida or an associated force of al-Qaida and who is engaged in plotting against the United States.”

    So in other words, they recognize that these kinds of operations, pseudo-authorized by the NDAA, are blatant violations of the 4th and 5th Amendments… and they attempt to justify this with the further violation of Section 3 Clause 1. These laws need to be repealed. We have become the very definition of a despotic nation.

  • tony newbill

    The financial crisis was all by design to gain control of the Free market to install consumption controls to save Earth from Overpopulation ; http://www.webofdebt.com/articles/s_p.php

  • tony newbill
  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

    Gun control was invented by the liberal watchdogs to ensure that the Red States never again attempted to secede from the Union. It was also created to deter logic from ever entering the debate on Criminology. The city of Chicago is a perfect example of how well it serves to prevent gun violence.

    Seeing as how us armed criminals have a penchant for felony murder, rape, and robbery, liberals were certain that misdemeanor gun charges would deter criminals from carrying guns. These rules are easily enforced since everyone knows that all guns used in crimes are purchased in federally licensed gun stores by licensed individuals who register the guns are leave the serial number intact. There is no way that criminals would purchase or steal unregistered, black-market firearms with their numbers filed off.

    Keeping guns away from homeowners with families to protect makes perfect sense because they can always call the police. That is, assuming that they wake up in time and the police are just a block away. Like the police motto goes, “when seconds count, we’re just minutes away.”

    Guns are bad. Period!

    Guns kill people, much in the same way that pencils make spelling mistakes and computers commit internet fraud.

    If you use a gun to defend your life, there is a 100% chance that the criminal will disarm you and use your own gun against you, even though the criminal will probably be carrying a weapon of his own.

    The average law abiding citizen does not have the skill required to use a gun in self defence properly. Guns are extremely complicated devices, that can only be used properly by Nasa trained, super-police officers.

    Guns are an extremely easy and simple way for criminals to murder people.

    We must ban all guns because there are thousands of unstable lunatics out there who will get hold of them and kill dozens of innocent people.

    Those who argue that they need guns to defend themselves from unstable lunatics are clearly paranoid.

    Only the police and military can be trusted with guns. Be warned, pro-gunners (AKA Pro baby murderers) will try to tell you that the most deadly shooting spree in history was carried out a by a South Korean police officer using police issue weapons. This is a lie. No police officer or military person has ever abused their position or had a mental breakdown and kill a bunch of people, ever.

    Gun Control Advocates

    Many of the worlds most rational and balanced politicians in history have been strongly in favour of and have implemented strict gun control, all to the imense benefit of their peoples:

    Adolf Hitler
    Benito Mussolini
    Mao Zedong
    Josef Stalin
    Pol Pot
    Idi Amin
    Fidel Castro
    Kim Jong Il
    Joe Biden
    Lucy Cope
    Tony Blair
    Rep. Carolyn McCarthy
    Barack Hussein Obama
    Sen. Charles Schumer
    N.Y.C.Mayor.Michael Bloomberg
    William Jefferson(Bill)Clinton

    A few whining women have complained that gun control is sexist. This is a simple minded fallacy spouted by red leader Sarah Palin. If there is anything the world has learned from anime, it’s that a 300lbs. rapist will easily be defeated by a 105 lbs, 15 year old school girl. There is hardly any case to be said that a woman might need a gun to protect herself against biologically stronger opponents.

    Since gun control frequently targets low-caliber, low-recoil, easily-concealed handguns that women favor, it is doing a great job of protecting those otherwise at-risk rapists. What kind of politician would want to have his state’s rapists at risk of armed female reprisals?

    The gun nuts who so foolishly cling to their cause of “self-defense” cite the Constitution as an excuse to remain dangerously armed. So what if the 2nd amendment says that Americans have the right to be armed? So what if the Supreme Court ruled that the right applies to individuals and not the state militias? Since when does the Supreme Court interpret the law? The Constitution says that it is their job, but no one cares. Everyone knows that old parchment is worthless. America now exists to be regulated by liberals who have your best interests at heart, just like Dr. Kevorkian. But since the liberals don’t really go by the Constitution anyway, why should they start with this part?

    Gun control supporters target a group of guns that they call assault weapons, which are rarely used in crime. The fact that they are rarely used is proof that gun control works! The term assault weapon was created by the liberal media to describe a group of scary guns that have military-like features. None of them have automatic fire, but since they look like they do, it is easy to say that someone will modify them to shoot that way.

    The Federal Assault Weapon Ban (expired 2004) was so successful at stopping crimes committed with assault weapons that the government did not have to renew it! The mechanics of assault weapons make them safer to use. Things like standard capacity magazines, pistol grips, barrel shrouds (the shoulder things that go up), flash suppressors, muzzle compensators, and telescoping stocks allow a homeowner to more readily defend their homes. Otherwise, criminals will not have a fair access to your possessions, wife, children, car, house, or a fair chance to kill you before the police arrive.
    editConclusion

    In closing, gun control denies women and the elderly the ability to fight back against attackers. It creates a group of easy prey for criminals. It bans guns with features that make them safer. It tears a Constitutional Right straight out of the hands of citizens. It is also a fasionable cause that celebrities and scientologist love.

    In short, Gun Control makes perfect sense! -Uncyclopedia

  • http://www.facebook.com/kansas.bright Kansas Bright

    Hello! Anyone awake out there?

    Assassination = Murder – plain and simple. The USA does NOT have any assassination laws, never had, never will. No president, congress, person on the cornor etc has ever been given the power to assassinate, make assassination lists, etc. It is not better then what happened in the theater, the schools, what gangs (and others) do regularly.

    This is just Murder with a fancier name. Nor does it matter where it is carried out; here in the USA or a foreign nation (except more laws will be broken), or who carries it out, The group who planeed it, Obama who ordered it, the people who carry it out are committing murder – a criminal act here in the USA. NOthing else but murder. Get it through your heads. You are talking like Obama has the “power” lawfully instead of labeling it exactly what it is; MURDER. At time it may even be or has already been, MASS MURDER.

    Quit letting them give you names that sound legit when it is already covered under our alws under our US Constitution. It is MURDER. That is all. Do not call it anything else. You give it a legitmate standing when there is none. Call for all the MURDERS to be arrested for the Crime of MURDER. Don’t dress it up.

    /shakes head sadly

  • An honest man

    Now I know why they want to take our guns away, If this is permited to proceed into law your life and mine will not be worth anything if our government decide we are a threat..

  • USN retired

    I am truly glad to see that the real intentions of Obama and this Bush debacle has come to light. When this was first revealed I envisioned that fowl play would ensue and be turned onto the American people for using the their constitutional right of free speech . Now if Obama gets his way without the congress doing something, we and his political opponents, including congress, can, no will, be declared potential enemies of the US and disappear; Gestapo and KGB tactics. That was a Democratic Congress that passed that resolution. Knee jerk law making has become a routine in our congress. Situational laws should never make it through as a law without automatic rescission included to prevent rogue politicians and presidents from using them for their perverse agendas.

  • ATCBILL

    First, if you think you’re God or have divine rights, you need not obey the laws of men. Unfortunately today as people, we have governments, not just in the US but in the UN that have demonstrated that they have no use for or belief in God and that humans are infallible. The people in these governments act as a God or deny that men act in untrustworthy or erronous ways, thus elevating mortals (themselves) to a god like status. Therefore as a god you need not have a bill of rights to protect the people, you know what is best and assume the authority to take action on your decisions. Laws are for men not GODS.

    Second, the problem is not the terrorist the real problem is the reaction of our government to the terrorists. The crazies who killed hundreds of innocent americans on 9/11 had no idea that world governments would sieze the opportunity they created to kill liberty and rights to the unimaginable extent that has happened. They just wanted to kill a few Christians and got to heaven to get rewarded.

    Don’t worry about your rights, when the governments of the world finish protecting us from the terrorist ( soon to be defined as anyone who rembers that individuals have rights to speak, act and own personal property freely) you will have NO rights and the governments will have all the authority. They will control your every action, grant you life or death and you will have no say in the process.

    Don’t count on your current congressman or senate to stop this assualt, they are part of the problem. They create the crisises and use them to nimble away at our rights with the feeble solutions. Politicians answer to the special groups that given them money, including the federal government if they are in a major political party..

    It took about 250 years for this experiment in democracy to start to falter and spin into a tyranny; about the same length of time it took for the colonies to rebell against an oppressive tyrannical government. Let’s hope the solution is not an armed revolution.
    It is time that the people (of the world, not just the US) take back the government. it will not be easy, we will be terrorists if we try, but we must!

    HOW? YOU MUST….
    Get involved in local and state governments and elections; Denounce and trample any attempt to adopt agenda 21 mentality or items at all levels; Support conservative candidates of ANY party, this means putting your money where your mouth is; educate yourself, our family and friends about the Constitution and how the government is SUPPOSED to work. be an activist, yes they will probaly come and take you into the night (if we don’t act soon); Join those artificial astro-turf groups like the Tea party at rallies; signup, read and distribute newsletters and emails from groups like the Grassroots, Americas for Prosperity and the Hertiage Foundation or hillsdale College, Get off your butt, nobdy else can do it but you through actions, words and money ; Watch what government offical(?) and politicians DO, NOT what they SAY, remove the ones that don’t share your values and support personalliberties/civil rights and constitutional government.

    May God may mercy on our souls if we don’t for the government won’t.

  • Judy Jackson

    This frightening to me. I understand the motivation behind Awlaki. Everyone knew he is/was a terrorist in the truest sense of the word. However, when the president (whoever that might be) is the only one who gets to decide “someone” needs to killed, that is a tremendous amount of power. What if the president “decides” that a missionary is acting contrary to what he (the president) thinks is “good for America” — does that mean an American citizen who is a missionary and disagrees with the current president (again, whoever that may be at some point in the future) is behaving wrongly and “could become a terrorist in the future, the president can order a “kill?” And when a president (whoever it is) can decide this on foreign soil, what is there to prevent him from doing this same thing on American soil when there may be a multitude of people who disagree with him and are protesting? If the checks and balances in the constitution don’t matter to a president, an no one opposes him through the authority of the US Constitution, what is there to prevent him/her from declaring he/she is the king/queen of America and there will be no more elections?

    • Wellarmed

      Looks like you just nailed it on the head.

  • charles

    Maybe someone needs to ask the question how does NBC obtain a document that congress has been refused access to buy this userper administation, Iam just saying

  • Flashy

    Now sit back and think. When GITMO was built and filled, the main argument by the rqdical right was that the prisoners had no “rights” (even Americans) as they were nabbed out of the US and the Rights under the Constitution end at our borders. The prisoners were held without trial, without charges, subjected to torture, and at times died. But they had to Rights according to the radical extremists supporting Gitmo.

    Now there is a huge scandal made by the extremists as to snuffing Americans overseas who are involved in plotting against the US. Ummm…y’all protest when foreign dnagers are snuffed?

    Myself/ As with the prisoners in Gitmo, I hold the Bill of Rights are universal to Man. And the Preamble to the Declaration of Independence states Man…not narrowed to Americans.

    At the least, anyone on a snuff list should be given notice of charges and an opportunity to turn themselves in for a civilian trial by jury in the US. The charges and offer should be public. At minimum, these should be in place. .

    • http://www.sweetsalesgirl.com/Kuurus/ Charles Johnson

      Under international treaty each person transported to Gitmo should have been tried for espionage and shot. They where on the field of combat engaged in combat while not under Color of Country.

      • Mike in MI

        Charles –
        you’ve got to understand one thing about Fishly, oops -Fleshy…dern!… Flashman.
        His Color of Country is tinged with the cow pie colors of anarchy. So, he savors the down home odors representative of muslim extremists … a-a-a-an-n-n-d, anybody else who contributes anything to one-worldliness and the law of the jungle.

      • http://www.facebook.com/kansas.bright Kansas Bright

        This is at CHarles Johnson, “Under international treaty each person transported to Gitmo should have been tried for espionage and shot. They where on the field of combat engaged in combat while not under Color of Country.”

        Actually you are incorrect. A lot of the people in Gitmo where captured because WE put out a bounty for any turned in – no proof required,just a living body. So all in Gitmo are suspect as actual terrorists. This is used a lot – BOUNTIES for live bodies.

    • Wellarmed

      Agreed Flashy, The Bill of Rights apply to ALL men, not just those fortunate enough to have been born on U.S. soil.

      Torture conducted by our nation is a scar that will never heal.

      I believe those that authorized it should have been given due process and received a sentence commensurate to the offense.

      Instead our past President walks a free man, as does our current occupant of the White House. And to let the world really know where we stand, we just allowed the CIA officer who disclosed the program to the American People to receive a jail sentence for the next two plus years for his “crime”?

  • luvsgunsandAmerica

    What’s going to happen when a Muslim nation sanctions a hit on the POTUS ?

    • jim

      short answer…they probably already have…

      • Karolyn

        Uh, gee, I thought conservatives all believe he is a Muslim. Which way do you want it?

      • jim

        Muslims kill Muslims…and Infidels…better get used to it, peace, love and hippy beads…Karolyn!!!

      • Mike in MI

        Karolyn -
        What ? Do you think the usurpers behind the usurper have any ethics or qualms about purging someone as small as ANY national face they elevated to a position they dole out as they please? You’re worse than evian in the emertxe!!! Did somebody salt your oats with Prozac?

  • Will

    It’s funny…… I read theses post in hopes to hear people uniting together under awful news….. All I see is a bunch of so called higher educated people nocking other not so fortunate people ……. And lots of name calling…. Paranoid…… If ur smart enough to do the math here in light of this article and your not scared…….. U have no idea what is really going on and r very much apart of the problem. We have been separated and divided……. The world has always been jellouse of America…..we r the only country with free speach equal rights……. Not ruled by a dictator! Do the math people! Quit making fun of each other and pretenting ur smart…… That’s all a bunch of deviant childish garbage! Then maybe we could focus on the problems at hand!

    • Wellarmed

      Hello Will, Cannot agree with you more. Where I live in NM happens to be surrounded not only by the MIC but also conquered peoples of once great Nations. I see the effects of federal dependency on these people and the great sadness that they endure.

      I can only imagine if they had been United despite all their differences amongst the tribes,if the outcome would be dramatically different from what we currently witness.

  • Rennie

    Under this criteria, it would seem as though Bill Ayers would be at the top of the list?

    • eddie47d

      At one time Ayers was considered a national threat just as today the Alaskan Peackeepers Militia is considered a national threat. Its leader Schaeffer Cox has physically threatened several citizens and public officials. Cox is now in prison and once ran for the House of Representatives. Neither of these men killed anyone but advocated such action. Now Jimmie Lee Dykes also advocated action against the government and was preparing for a standoff in Alabama. He did kill someone and kidnapped to express his anger. How far is anyone willing to push the injustice they see around them and what evil acts are they willing to employ to accomplish their goal?

  • ibcamn

    This is how a government takeover is allowed to continue.if this is allowed to pass,it isn’t a point of “if”it is used,but”when”it will be used!and it will be used!this is just another step in the play book of the Marxist take over of America,this will be used to legally kill Americans if “we the people”rise against the government!if we decide to take arms against tyranny,this will be used to subdue the masses of civil unrest,all the gov’t camps being built and stockpiles of ammo and military vehicles(UN and Russian also),it is now clear,beyond a doubt what the progressives,liberals and Obama want to do to anyone who goes against them(him/her)this is happening right under our noses,and Obama is lying to your faces.if a civil war was to break out,what would be the best way to break that spirit of civil unrest?this is why Obama wants this universal background check list,he wants to know where you,the gun owner lives and works,who your family is and lives and if they own guns,he wants gun control.in California,when i lived there,the police would make rounds to peoples homes that had guns in their homes that they bought legally at one time,but then had become convicted of felonies(so you can’t posses any guns)they would storm in and take you and your guns away,so now your deeper in trouble if you didn’t sell those guns,or at least move them out of your “possession”, the law say’s “possession”,not ownership!but yet they keep doing this,if you legally bought and owned a weapon,then had a felony,you can still own a gun but can not posses a gun!!normally you would just move the gun to a family member or friend.which is legal,but not to the California police!be smart people,all this is just a step in the path we are on,the wrong path!the constitution is being thrown out the window and most just look the other way,why?—-”star wars;rise of the drones?!”—and we do have a star wars program!Carney just said,drones to be used for anyone who takes up arms against the “government!”(not against the United States of America)listen to what they are telling us!

  • Kathleen Blanchard

    What if the terriorist or would be (in training ) terriorist happens to live in the United States? Will a drone be sent by the officials to his/her stateside location?

    • Flashy

      I believe there have been cases where terrorists are in the US and found out. Since they are within the normal police powers ofthe FBI etc, it’s a simple matter of arresting them. They’ve been arrested, given a trial with their Rights observed, then jailed for many many years.

      The question is…do Americans retain any Rights when outside the US? If they do, do these Rights extend to all Man and seen as Universal to Mankind?

      • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

        Dear Flashy,

        You write: “I believe there have been cases where terrorists are in the US and found out.” Or more accurately, where the FBI has created the terrorists. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/opinion/sunday/terrorist-plots-helped-along-by-the-fbi.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
        http://www.salon.com/2011/09/29/fbi_terror/

        Best wishes,
        Bob

      • Flashy

        Mr. Livingston….if given a civilian trial by jury, I believe entrapment may be claimed as a defense. It is a military tribunal or no trial at all (such as has been demanded by many extremists on the right when it comes to Gitmo etc) that the dangers you imply are present.

      • Robert Smith

        Mr. Livingston, why did you offer an “opinion” piece to justify your argument? No facts?

        Here is a good example of how terrorists are handled on our home soil: “News of the arrest became public on Monday, when three of the suspects appeared in U.S. District Court in Riverside, Calif. The trio were charged with plotting to provide material support to terrorists, KTLA reported.”

        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/20/four-california-men-arrested-terror_n_2162612.html

        Now, we have FACT vs. an editorial piece of what MIGHT occur.

        Rob

      • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

        Dear Robert Smith,

        You write: “why did you offer an “opinion” piece to justify your argument? No facts?” The “facts” are found in the opinion pieces. I suggest you read them, or read them again.

        You write: “Here is a good example of how terrorists are handled on our home soil:” Are you suggesting this article somehow provides information that disputes the links I provided?

        Best wishes,
        Bob

  • steve

    maybe now you will realize that your vote has never counted. the only out is GOD. next to be destroyed will be religion. stay tuned . the best is yet to come.

    • Flashy

      Steve…question…whose god?

      • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

        Dear Flashy,

        You write: “whose god?” There is only one, though he is known by several names: I AM, Jehovah, The Father, God. I would be happy to introduce you to Him and He would be even happier to have you in his Kingdom.

        Best wishes,
        Bob

      • OneGuess

        Flashy…question…do you believe in GOD? (Not “whose god”, just GOD.)

      • S.C.Murf

        The only living God. Because you don’t want to believe or have not heard His voice does not change the fact that He is. Only you in your disbelief will be affected and I will stand as witness against you at the white throne judgement so be looking for me

        up the hill
        airborne

      • Flashy

        Mr. Livingston…that may be your god. but when one decides their god should be paramount above any others, that is when it crosses the line of private worship and is open to question. I do not push my god(s) on anyone, and noticed only christians insist others adhere to their beliefs dominant over all. So i thought i’d ask since each christian sect differs as to what their particular god demands of them.

        I’d be more than happy to introduce you to mine if you desire. They’re a lot more fun…lacking brimstone and Hades and not as…vengeful and punishing. .

      • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

        Dear Flashy,

        You write: “I’d be more than happy to introduce you to mine if you desire.” I do not. I know the one true living God.

        You write: “They’re a lot more fun…lacking brimstone and Hades and not as…vengeful and punishing.” And therein lies your problem.

        Best wishes,
        Bob

      • Robert Smith

        Mr. Livingston says: “There is only one, [god]…”

        Ummmm, what does this commandment mean: ” “‘You shall have no other gods before me.”

        Looks to me like there are other gods, or why would this one want special attention?

        Rob

      • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

        Dear Robert Smith,

        You write: “Looks to me like there are other gods,” Man has always foolishly created false gods–whether it’s carving one from wood, forming a calf of gold or worshiping mammon.

        You write: “why would this one want special attention?” Because he is the Creator.

        Best wishes,
        Bob

      • steve

        r smith. maybe because he created everything including you. either you have faith that the bible is the truth or you don’t. from what you discribe maybe your god is satan. just a guess

      • Mike in MI

        So, Flashy -
        You don’t like a God that asks that we do certain things in a certain way with the system of things He crafted and put together for everybody to enjoy, knowing in COMPLETE depth the intricacy, complexity and fine tuning of everything in the cosmos. He also knows what we might decide to try that will work and what we might try that WON’T work. So, not wanting mankind to, ignorantly, hurt himself or, selfishly, hurt others He sent out a list of “dos” and “don’ts”. He didn’t send out the engineering manuals and specs lists on how to fix it if we break it. So, we can’t fix it or ourselves if we bust ‘em up. He said He’d take care of that if we would worship Him, acknowledge how great He is and thank Him once in a while.
        If you think all this came together by accident or by chance I invite you to search out information on Quantum Mechanics and Quantum Phenomena and what the SCIENTISTS can now show to be the case. Science the way we’ve been doing it for the last 300 years is beginning to close up shop. Really, in a lot of ways they’ve gone about as far as they can go. New systems of things are coming into the fore and they turn much about the old ways of thinking topsy-turvy.
        Socialism is a system of rules and regs for living (philosophy) generated as outgrowths of the technological/scientific revolution that are almost totally opposite to things God instructed will work or that He will have anything to do with. Socialism subtly tears away at the fabric of the things God established for everyone’s well being.
        You don’t want anybody telling you what to do and how to do it? HA!!!
        Wait til the socialist rulers and regulators get to that attitude. They’ll have you in an Obama Re-education Center so fast you won’t have time to yell, “Don’ stick that needle in me.”
        No Christian and certainly not God ever forced you to do anything. They may have invited you a church, asked to join in something or tried to teach you something. But, FORCED you to do anything? That’s a lie! You’re still doing your own selfish thing aren’t you?

  • Jaynr

    Although I don’t like Obama, I support the ‘Kill List’. This is NOT a political list but one
    that try to eliminate the ones who try to kill innocent Americans.

    • momo

      Your faith is misplaced.

    • http://yahoo.com BillT

      And who decides who a terroist is. A lttle bit ago, it was right wing extremests, returnig soldiers, Maybe they’ll add anyone who belongs to the NRA or the Tea Party, or even the boy scouts.

      • eddie47d

        Back in the 60-70′s any returning veteran who spoke out against the Vietnam War was labeled an extremist. Those who protested that false war were called brown shirts by Spiro Agnew. Blacks who assembled for equal rights were called communists. Hoover had a vengeance on many American citizens who spoke their mind. The fact remains that there are right wing terrorists today as there were a few left wing terrorists back then. The key is to sort out the right of free speech and assembly and who is advocating violence for their cause.

      • Mike in MI

        eddie – sssSOUNDS sensible….
        Just one thing – - – - WHO, pray tell, defines “v-i-o-l-e-n-c-e” and WHO gets protected from it and WHO gets to be “v-i-o-l-a-t-e-d” and to what extent is fair?

      • Robert Smith

        “or even the boy scouts.”

        Boy Scouts are considering undoing their hateful mistake. I hope they do and start working with all Americans again, not just the ones considered “correct” by the extreme religious nuts.

        Rob

      • Buster the Anatolian

        “Boy Scouts are considering undoing their hateful mistake.”

        Nothing hateful or mistaken about it. They are considered a private organization and as such are free to allow or deny the inclusion of whomever they wish. If you do not like their decision start a competing organization based on your moral values (or lack of them). If the people agree with the rules of your organization they will flock to it and the Boy Scout organization will wither on the vine.

      • Mike in MI

        Robt. Smut -
        So, if you’ve got a young boy who’s a scout you want him being led by some chickenhawk or butt buzzard? Haven’t we had enough of the Catholic Church and its horrors wrought on the youth of the world?
        When are you “promoters of what’s fair” going to get it through your thick, stupid heads that there are chemicals in semen that are great for reproduction and for a woman’s body but do AWFUL things to the nervous systems and developmental processes of teenagers and little boys.
        Child molesters and (lest it be mistaken who I’m talking about) homosexuals who prey on, coerce, threaten, beat and /or in any way intimidate so they can defile a child and leave their semen inside them should get the death penalty. Further, the bounds and rules of proof should be low and only one appeal. Serial acts like Jerry Sadnrusty at Penn State should be no appeal straight to the death chamber.

        Sorry for being so circuitous and vague about it.

      • Kate8

        Mike in MI – I completely agree with you. We should have the right of association with whomever we choose, and also to NOT associate with whomever we choose.

        There are valid reasons why homosexuality is called an abomination. It spreads disease, and untold grief. We have the right to protect our children from any potential for harm, and to also protect them from indoctrination.

        If adult males wish to engage in this behavior, as they have throughout time, then they should have to do so in private, like anyone else. Stay away from our kids.

        The Left continually harps about freedom for deviants of all sorts. But they always intend to accomplish this by taking away freedom from those who disagree.

        BTW, I have NEVER heard one liberal pipe up about allowing whites into black organizations, or Asian ones, or any other. Yet whites are always required to accept anyone and everyone.

        I don’t know about the rest of you-all, but I’m way past over it. We need to all be free to choose our own lives. Note to liberals/progs: leave us the heck alone and we’ll leave you alone. There is absolutely no reason why we have to all hold hands and allow overstep of our boundaries if we choose not to do so.

      • Mike in MI

        K88 –
        Go girl, you tell it like it is. You sound like someone who loves freedom or something. It should be true that freedom of association also means the power of dissociation if wanted or needed.
        I’d team up with TIME on any job (of which I’m capable), go anywhere or do anything with a MAN like him…or a WOMAN like you and others who come here. Powerful, intelligent, right-headed, honest, resourceful, able, candid, Lovable and believingly faithful folks.
        O-t-h-e-r-s…?, some of you would be like consorting with an open outhouse hole.
        I hope you feel the same.

      • http://www.facebook.com/kansas.bright Kansas Bright

        K88 & Mike, Figuring your discussing Obama’s “assassination of those he determines are ‘terrorists’”.

        What you can do to stop this is find out why those in your states are allowing him and his adminstration to commit murder. Assassination is ALWAYS murder under our laws. Show me where our laws, including the supreme law of this land – US Constitution – state differently.

    • TML

      “Terrorists need to be spoken to in their own language. They use violence. We need to speak that louder than they do.”

      So, you advocate terrorism and support violations of the Constitution.
      The 5th Amendment doesn’t even refer to “citizens”, but instead says “persons”, meaning that all have the right to due process of law, whether they be criminals, terrorists, foreigners, or even American citizens who might engage in treason.

  • marlene parlak

    Well who Is goIng to make Obama dIsappear for hIs terrorIsm. They need to permanently detaIn hIm.

  • jim

    In light of the new government directive…damn sure glad I never espoused overthrow of the current regime in any cyber post

    • Mike in MI

      jim -
      That might not mater at all to “good” ol’ B.O. Plenty.
      Who knows? Maybe your neighbor on one side or the other (or both) did make such a post. In that case you, or anybody else out there, would just qualify as “collateral damage” and part of the cost of making the world safe for Michelle and the girls and the Mhadi.

      • Kate8

        Guess I’m toast, eh Mike in MI?

        We are all aware that it’s a likely scenario… always happens that way. Let’s just hope that those of us who spoke up won’t have done so in vain.

      • Mike in MI

        No, K88 -
        I tend not to think you’re toast. I think you and a bunch of others of us who come here and are doing the yeoman’s work of trying to inform, educate and guide others about what is coming down are doing the “watchman on the wall” job explained in Ezekiel. Bob Livingston (and his wonderful staff), bless his God overflowing heart, has the heart of hearts to take the flak to give us a place to put our heads, spirits and believing power in our own areas of interests and knowledge together to MAKE IT KNOWN.
        Once the story’s told and known then people can make up their minds about whether to get afraid or believe against the dopes, dupes and dragons. Limbaugh, Hannity and most of them aren’t permitted to or don’t want to. (They DO? Tell me…what focus, answers or reality do they present? JUST WHO do they represent…Council on Foreign Relations, others? Or, do they stoke fears and fires of quandry? Do YOU Listen [not asked at you K88]? Listen close. [What's the job of the FCC?])
        If you out there scoff at the “power of believing” ask George Norry or Art Bell about some of the focused believing (prayer, expectation, goals, vigils, whatever you call it experiments done on C2C years ago. They got far more than they expected and abandoned the effort. It was uncontrolled and violent. Why?
        They didn’t confine the people’s expectations to the Promises of God. Nor was it Godly Direction … just untamed mind power and bare human mental effort.
        God doesn’t do stupid things. But He will do things to help, bless and protect those who have covenanted with Him.
        You think this sort of thing is just too weird? Ask the Quantum physicists and scientists who study what energy, matter and ideas have to do with each other.
        I think if enough Christians could agree on some goals we could put a crimp in the actions of the enemy’s outfit.

      • http://www.facebook.com/kansas.bright Kansas Bright

        “What’s the job of the FCC?”

        To not allow monopolies or cartels to distort and destroy Americans access to free and varied information. That is why the head of the FCC and the four layers directly beneath, plus all who were in congress since Bush 1, Clinton, Bush 2, and current need to be arrested for treason. If you need me to relist the treason laws, let me knokw.

        Almost 100% of the mainstream media is owned by seven companies: Disney, NewsCorp, TimeWarner, CBS, Viacom, NBCUniversal, and Sony. They control everything: movies, television, all the major newspapers and news, and even music record labels.
        When one company dominates an industry, it is a monopoly. When a handful of companies cooperatively dominate an industry, it is a “Cartel.” This is what we have with our mainstream media – an elite group that is cooperatively and covertly controlling everything that comes through our television, radio, newspaper, and theater.

        The Supreme Court, Red Lion v. FCC, 1969:
        “It is the purpose of the First Amendment to preserve an uninhibited marketplace of ideas in which truth will ultimately prevail, rather than to countenance monopolization of that market, whether it be by the Government itself or a private licensee. It is the right of the public to receive suitable access to social, political, esthetic, moral, and other ideas and experiences which is crucial here. THAT RIGHT MAY NOT CONSTITUTIONALLY BE ABRIDGED EITHER BY CONGRESS OR BY THE FCC.” (CAPS ARE MINE)

      • Kate8

        It’s true, Mike. God’s people don’t use the power God gave us, because they’ve been taught that this power is “evil”. Power is neither good nor evil. It is in how one uses it. It is in the intent.

        First of all, it comes from the heart, not the mind. And when we align with God’s Power, it is always for the highest good of all. God’s Power invoked and released is an unstoppable Force. It’s how He planned it.

        It does not make sense that He would want His people to be powerless against an enemy which understands this power, and uses it for ill, to enslave us. He is our Power, and we must know how to align with Him.

        If God’s people would stand up, great things could be moved with only a small number of awakened people. What we seem to lack is the ability to come together as One. We talk about it, but that seems to be as far a it goes.

        How about it, Mike in MI? We could do it, and get others to join. Let’s unite our hearts with God, in agreement, and restore freedom to this land. All it requires is entering the Consciousness of the Divine, and calling upon His Perfect Wisdom and Might.

        I say, let’s pray together, united in spirit, and move that mountain. Let our prayers be without ceasing. Only God knows what is true, how to heal humanity.

      • Kate8

        Mike in MI – It’s even more urgent that we think. I just read this and, if true, we have no time to lose. We’d best get to really prayin’…

        http://nesaranews.blogspot.com/2013/02/dhs-insider-obamas-cyber-warriors.html

  • Right Brain Thinker

    “kill American citizens on a whim”? A WHIM?

    A closer reading of the white paper would lead one to believe that more than a “whim” is needed. Yes, some disturbing aspects to all of this, particularly for the paranoid among us, but we are fighting a rather murky and far-flung battle here. We are no longer standing in long lines and firing volleys at others who are 100 yards away doing the same. And what’s the alternative?

    (And we can thank George W. Bush for starting this whole ball rolling downhill. Actually, we should lay much of the blame at Reagan’s doorstep for his failures in Lebanon in 1983).

    • canoworms27

      As I remember there was a sunset clause on the Patriot Act… but It was codified by the NDAA. A lot of blame to go around on both sides…”Those that give up liberty for security deserve neither” Ben Franklin

    • godhelpus

      Let’s blame everyone except the person that ok’d this. Let’s stop the blame calling and put the blame where it should lie. At The feet of our president that many of you put back into office. He was the one that was hiding it bnut many are to blind to see what is going on.

    • eddie47d

      Maybe we should end the War On Terror and declare a truce godhelpus. What do you think about that? As I posted earlier why lay it all on Obama for this has been going on even before 9/11. Now days every incident has to be called a terrorist attack so that means the War On Terror will be never ending. I suspect drone attacks will become the norm in fighting this war because it is “cleaner” and doesn’t involve American troops. We can all kill the bad guys without leaving our living rooms. We can feel good about it whether through video games or government drones because we are still safe. (at least until the “enemy” gets ahold of their own drones).

      • independant thinker

        Most if not all posters on here recognize the failings of Bush. Bush is no longer in office and has not been for over 4 years. Clinton, Reagan, Carter, and daddy Bush are also no longer in office. Obama is the man at the top now and it is now his show so he gets the blame for all failures or missteps. Obama has done nothing to reduce the use of drones and has in fact increased their use.

      • Robert Smith

        “Obama has done nothing to reduce the use of drones and has in fact increased their use.”

        And that’s a problem because??????????

        Terrorists need to be spoken to in their own language. They use violence. We need to speak that louder than they do.

        Rob

      • Mike in MI

        OH Really, Rob?
        What would you say at this time about what should be done to them if they use torture or some mildly harsh treatment on our soldiers…..or journalists? Say like the lady who was beaten and raped by a bunch of “ordinary” muslim men as she was covering a story in Iran (Ithink it was)? Maybe Egypt. You were dead against us using terrorizing of ladies and children not to long ago. What about the torture question?
        You going to be like the great liberal anti-gun protester Geraldo Rivera after he realized those were real bullets buzzing around his ears? What ho, bobbo?

      • Kate8

        Robert, Robert. You are falling for the oldest trick in the book.

        First you target one group, villifying them so people accept it. Then you target another…

        Are you going to feel oh-so-smugly justified when Obama declares everyone who disagrees with him as an enemy terrorist? Because it will happen.

        The exact same tactics are used over and over again throughout history. It does not change. All they have to do is wait a couple of generations and use them on people who don’t remember, and from whom history is kept hidden. Works every time.

      • Kate8

        BTW, I urge everyone to read this document called “Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars”. It tells of the unseen weapons used against us, and the purpose of them. These are things the elite have put together in secret… these documents were not intended for us to see. Or so it is said.

        http://www.scribd.com/doc/124012645/Silent-Weapons-For-Quiet-Wars

        Go all the way to the end. There is a lot of info here; things you need to know.

      • eddie47d

        Mike seems to forget that several Conservatives supported Cheney in using enhanced torture tactics . I much rather get out of these countries but killing a few with drones is more practical than killing thousands as in Dresden or even in Baghdad.

      • http://www.facebook.com/kansas.bright Kansas Bright

        Both “sides” have those who can be led. The problem you still need to get over is that there are two ‘sides”.

        There isn’t, not really. Those that are supporting Obama (and remember, many are not “real” people or “real commentators” they are just a software user paid to represent Obama’s side – which if he wre really supproted would NOT be needed). are uninformed, or hiding their head in the sand.

        Where we are now is are we going to support and keep our country, our legitimate government, or become a territory for a world government (UN”s job) and look who the majority of those nations are and how they treat their own people before you make that decision.

        My suggestion if you like what those countries do, is please move there, sooner the better. Because the rest of us do NOT like it and will NEVER accept it.

    • momo

      Yes, RBT, a WHIM! There is no “probable cause”, there is only a government official’s suspicion. Don’t worry about your day in court, because you’re not getting one! And yes, the world has changed, its much more murky as you state, but to give up more freedom for security, means the bad guys have already won.

      • Robert Smith

        Interesting what you call “winning.” Dead and burred just doesn’t seem to be much of a win in my book.

        Rob

    • David Swann

      furthermore who is to say that you or your neighbor or even myself doesn’t one day become a terrorist simply because the rules changed and we weren’t up to speed when they did. For example when Bill Clinton created the Dixie Escalante National monument in Southern Utah there were several long time ranchers who had used that land for decades to range there cattle. With the stroke of a pen they overnight were breaking the law. many of them lost their cattle and their lively-hood because they had no where else to put hundreds even thousands of cattle. They did nothing different from one day to the next but because the rules were changed by the whim of a president they broke the law. if President Clinton can do that why couldn’t President Obama change the rules on what constitutes a terrorist act and expand the war on terrorism to include American citizens? He, President Obama has used the Executive Order pen before to get what he wants what makes you think he would not use it against American people?

      • Robert Smith

        “Despite his 2000 campaign promises to reverse President
        Clinton’s designation of national monuments, President Bush continued litigation
        in favor of the creation of GSENM.21″

        Bush COULD have fixed it, but didn’t.

        For all the details, rather than bleated hysteria, see: http://epubs.utah.edu/index.php/jlrel/article/viewFile/155/135

        Rob

      • Mike in MI

        Have they got the barbed, electrified wire up around Clinton’s little “FEMA camp and resort for conservative Americans volunteered in service to the masses” yet?

    • TML

      “America, in the assembly of nations, since her admission among them, has invariably, though often fruitlessly, held forth to them the hand of honest friendship, of equal freedom, of generous reciprocity. She has uniformly spoken among them, though often to heedless and often to disdainful ears, the language of equal liberty, of equal justice, and of equal rights. She has, in the lapse of nearly half a century, without a single exception, respected the independence of other nations while asserting and maintaining her own. She has abstained from interference in the concerns of others, even when conflict has been for principles to which she clings, as to the last vital drop that visits the heart. She has seen that probably for centuries to come, all the contests of that Aceldama the European world, will be contests of inveterate power, and emerging right. Wherever the standard of freedom and Independence has been or shall be unfurled, there will her heart, her benedictions and her prayers be. But she goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own. She will commend the general cause by the countenance of her voice, and the benignant sympathy of her example. She well knows that by once enlisting under other banners than her own, were they even the banners of foreign independence, she would involve herself beyond the power of extrication, in all the wars of interest and intrigue, of individual avarice, envy, and ambition, which assume the colors and usurp the standard of freedom. The fundamental maxims of her policy would insensibly change from liberty to force…. She might become the dictatress of the world. She would be no longer the ruler of her own spirit….” – John Quincy Adams 1821

      Return to the prophetic principles of this wisdom as a nation. Cease creating enemies through imperialist policy, and protect the equal rights of all. That is the alternative.

    • Gary Belote

      RBT you seem to have forgotten our 16 dead rangers in Somolia and the bombing of the USS Cole. Seems to me that was a Dem (Clinton). And how about “Jimmy the Tooth”? He overthrew the Shah of Iran. Thats when all this crap got started. By the way….no why the Shah was overthrown.?…he wouldn’t kick-back on a contract to Carters buddy who was going to drop it in Carters campaign chest.

  • Jamie

    Robert ,I see the same View we have terrorist running the country gutting/rotting it from within, No thanks to all the Uneducated,ignate voters that put Him there. The followers of His Dream to kill them all if he has a chance.

    • eddie47d

      Jamie and Robert; I believe all the wars in the Middle East have been wrong headed and nothing more than one nation manipulating another. We have done it Russia has done it Iraq has done it and so forth. Yet some of the commentors on PLD are at fault too. How can that be you ask? I have heard close to a hundred times that we should nuke the Middle East and that we should turn all that sand into glass. That we should unleash our firepower and kill all the ragheads. So now that we are killing notorious al Qaida leaders some of you are getting shy and are all worried about their civil liberties. Now that’s a head scratcher! Your willing to kill millions with nukes but get weak kneed when a few dozen al Qaeda leaders go down! That just doesn’t make sense? Don’t those other million dead civilians have any civil rights? Wasn’t it Ronald Reagan and H Bush and B Clinton and G Bush and B Obama who said “we will find them” “We will hunt them down no matter where they hide”. So don’t lay all this chest puffery strictly on Obama.

      • restorefreedom

        First time you ever made sense guess the difference is a bs war or dump the constitution. Although the wars and drone killing are both wrong their is a difference. Neither one honors the constitution or our integrity as a civilized nation.

      • eddie47d

        Correct; Either declare a CONSTITUTIONAL War On Terrorism or completely get out of the Middle East. No false flag wars, no overthrowing of governments, no aiding “rebels”, no air strikes on foreign soil unless CONSTITUTIONALALLY voted on.

  • JoeB

    Sure, this won’t be used in the US. The official story will be that it was a “gas explosion”.

  • robert

    i would say that the terrorists have taken over the government a long time ago. look at the terrorist that calls himself president. and all those who follow him and his illegal and immoral acts. to me they are not americans.

    • Robert Smith

      Glad you don’t get to decide who is “American” and who isn’t.

      Remember, no state religion. Your version of “morality” is for you, not the rest of us.

      Rob

      • John

        All
        Wake-up and smell the socialism – Obama and his crony’s are doing the same thing Hitler did, one day we are going to wake up and say – what happened to Freedom, but it will be too late – careful who you trust with liberty, once gone it is hard to get back – we have definetly trusted in the WRONG LEADERS – it is crystal clear to anyone who takes the time to look/read!

      • Mixture V ranks

        It would be interesting to know how many Muslims are being hired for sensitive positions in the State Department, the FBI and various other agencies which are supposed to be working for US interests, i.e. the interests of the American citizen. Example: Secretary Clinton’s assistant has direct ties to Muslim terrorists organizations, e.g. Hamas. Does anyone care? Or in Hillary’s words, what difference does it make?

  • Vicki

    5th Amendment was violated rather specifically by NDAA 2012. Hard to have due process when you are disappeared. Takes out 1,2,4,6,8 and 9 too.

    • Warrior

      I wonder if this was “sanctioned” by the u.n? Anyway, imagine china “identifies” a chinese “terrorist” located in the good old u.s of a. Shouldn’t they be “allowed” to “drone strike” that person as long as “their” law dictates? Shouldn’t “all” countries have “equal rights”? Let the “drone wars” begin. Shear Madness!

      • eddie47d

        Excellent point Warrior for what goes around comes around. Now I have no love for the coward and traitor Awlaki and don’t miss him one bit. Yet what is to stop another country from “legally” doing the same in America.

      • momo

        Better yet, eddie47d, what’s to stop the feds from killing U.S. citizens in the U.S.?

      • eddie47d

        MOMO; That could be an accepted practice and the American people could buy into it. All someone has to do is label the War On Terror in the same way and no differently than the War On Drugs and enough people will accept it. Instead of SWAT teams and assault weapons they’ll use drones to get the bad guys.

      • TIME

        Dear mamo,

        They have, under GWB one American “Citizen” was shot and killed at his own home oddly both of these men I am noting here ~ were shot and killed in the state of “ARIZONA.”

        The other fine American hero was under Barry Sotoro ~ aka ~ Harrison J. Bounel ~ aka ~. B Obama; or what ever his name is. Again I will point out that no one knows who he really is. How bloody sad is that all by its self, that people will buy a product based on nothing at all, but pure and utter BS.

        #1.) American HERO ~ William Cooper ~ Shot and killed in his yard; 11 / 5 / 2001
        ** ( By the way ) all of you should Google his youtube video and watch and learn something.

        #2.) American HERO ~ William Billy Foust, 6 / 19 / 2011
        ** By the way you all need to google Billy’s youtube videos ~ watch and learn something.

        Just for the record these two were very well know ~ so ~ that begs the question how many others have been killed by these special persons that you all call POTUS ~ that were not high profile.
        We know that the Clintons have a mile long list of whom they have had killed, to think that GWB, or Barry are limited to only a few is utterly absurd, let alone insane.

        Peace and Love, Shalom

      • eddie47d

        I think TIME should find a more reliable hero instead of Wm Cooper. His main claim to fame is saying Kennedy was assassinated because Kennedy was going to expose that extraterrestrials were coming to take over the earth. Obviously that never happened so why believe every conspiracy nutjob out there? Besides Cooper had assaulted his neighbor with a deadly weapon and the police were called. They went to Cooper’s house and he came to the door and he shot and killed a deputy. The other deputy shot back and killed him.

      • TIME

        Dear eddie,

        Oh really? Thats Bill Coopers only claim to fame?
        Well dude ~ That proves you have no bloody clue what your talking about.

        Bill Cooper had 100$ Solid Evidence that proved all of what we see today unfolding that any persons who would not be able to comprehend that is either working as a dod shill or working on the Barry Omen shill wagon of what both ~ forms of these shills can be proved with ease.
        But it requires putting forth some effort, rather than opining on something that one is totaly clueless about.

        PEOPLE do your own RESEARCH ~ stop reading the damm mass media and watching the mass media’s propaganda machine,

        Look into the Congress’s bill that allows them to sell you 100% total propaganda and its now within the LAW, do any of you even know that?

        This bill was passed around; 2007 – 2008 as I recall, but do your own homework as my files are not with me at the moment or I would give you the bill number.

        Wake up, your being sold down the damm river.

        Peace and Love, Shalom

      • Kate8

        eddie – Yet another attempt to ridicule a true truth warrior, William Cooper.

        I listened to him back then. I read his writings. I know what Bill said, and you are dead wrong.

        I urge you to listen to his broadcasts on YouTube. Read “Behold a Pale Horse”… it’s making a resurgence now that what he said is exactly coming to pass. In fact, I think it’s on YouTube, too, incase you have trouble reading.

        Cooper was ex-military. He understood what was afoot. He was brilliant. He told the truth… exposing the plans of the elite too far ahead of their timeline, and they took him out. Shot him, unarmed, in the back, in the doorway of his own home.

        He knew they were coming for him, too. He sent his wife and child away so they would not be killed, too. They called him out of his house and gunned him down. It was a straight up assassination of a patriot and a hero, and we must never allow people like you to smear his name nor his honor.

        BTW, TIME, Alex Jones had something to do with it. His assassination happened after Cooper met with Jones (as has happened to several others who confided in Jones), and Jones stepped up and took his place, even stealing his work. He became the “voice” in the alternative media, and no one has bothered him at all. Imagine that.

        Jones’ wife is Zionist, as is Genesis radio. He meets with Zionists, and he acts like an idiot. I think he is a plant meant to a. spread fear and surrender; and b. make truth-seekers look like lunatics. It’s classic.

      • eddie47d

        A “truth warrior” has to have some decency and righteousness behind him if he wants his “facts” to be accepted. His lack of facts and reckless behavior doomed him.

      • Kate8

        eddie- As usual, it is YOU who are without facts. You defame a great person.

        How on earth can you say such a thing when EVERYTHING he spoke of is now coming to pass.

        Of course, being that you are a shill for the NWO (banking corporations) elite, what else would one expect. You make a habit of popping off about things about which you know less than nothing.

    • Robert Smith

      We know he’s a BAD guy. We know he is a threat to America. We know we had over 3,000 people die on 911.

      So, the question becomes: What do we do?

      Charlie Wilson had it right when he said we should help build schools and allow missionaries to work in Afganistan after the Ruskies left.

      Consistantly the chickenhawks have vetoed civilized ideas and gone in to kick butt.

      What we need is a better way to wage peace.

      Rob

      • Warrior

        Maybe we should teach Afghans how to “fish” and let them build their own scrools. Then again, after reviewing our own success with public edumacation, maybe we should just butt out!

      • Kate8

        If we want to get the real 9/11 perps, we should reroute one of those drones and nuke DC.

      • Robert Wilson

        What we need is a replacement for our counterfeit president, howabout Howdy Doody?

    • restorefreedom

      Guess why everyone is buying guns! The left actually condones these acts and wants to take our guns away and all of rights obviously. Is this not impeachable??

      • jim wilson

        If not, it should be.So far this administration is trying to kill the first, second, and fifth amendments, as well as federal privacy laws. That should be more than enough.

      • eddie47d

        Restore: I didn’t know G Bush was a leftist in starting these drone wars ! LOL!

      • http://angelgirl4him.wordpress.com Angel

        jim wilson says:
        February 6, 2013 at 8:58 am

        If not, it should be.So far this administration is trying to kill the first, second, and fifth amendments, as well as federal privacy laws. That should be more than enough.

        Don’t forget the TSA and the 4th Amendment.

        Bush called for a NWO so did the “pope”. I don’t care if one is a Democrat or Republican…they BOTH have the same agenda. They just have different opinions on how to achieve the desired agenda.

      • Kate8

        eddie – As usual, blame Bush. WHT does that prove?

        Clinton did a lot of really bad things. Both Bushes did bad things. Who cares where the drones started. Obama has implemented them, uses them freely, and is expanding their use to include US. That means HE OWNS IT.

      • eddie47d

        Contraire Kate; Restorefreedom laid the blame on leftists which of coarse isn’t true so I poked back. I thought you were the smart one and would have noticed or was that too glaring for you. .

      • Kate8

        All that matters at this point, eddie, is that Obama is having a field day with drones, and is putting tens of thousands of them all over America.

        He could stop drone use. But he won’t, because he gets off on killing people he doesn’t like.

    • http://www.facebook.com/chylene.ramsey Chylene Ramsey

      Does the NDAA mean we can “detain” Obama and Congress? I know a whole National Guard Unit that would be happy to do it. We can take them all to one of those nice FEMA camps. Petunias, playground and barbed wire.

      • Kate8

        Chylene Ramsey – Well, give us all a contact and we’ll phone them up. We’re ready.

        The problem is, everyone is guv thinks they’re exempt from the laws they foist on we farm animals. And they are all in cahoots, so you won’t find a court who will even listen to us, let alone rule against them. That would mean that they, too, must be held to account.

        It’s complicated. There are some very high-tech forces mobilized against us, and are just waiting for any attempt to quash the current power structure. We’d probably be evaporated in an instant.

        Never before has our government been so heavily infiltrated by the enemy. They’re in every state, county, village.

        I have no doubt that there are also forces working to take them down. It’s just that it involves a whole lot more than just storming the WH. The head of the snake has to be cut off, and that involves foreign powers which command an entire military industrial complex.

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